02.26.19 Pasco BOCC Workshop

um today i'd like to kind of shoot whoa here are three things with you first what the status of the go bond funding is what are biggest challenges related to the project that we foresee and our overall timeline for all the go bond projects so bond timeline in november the bonds were approved by the voters in early december the bcc approved the bond resolutions in late december the bond validation cases were filed with the courts in january judges were those validation cases we have gotten word that on 3 25 of march the hearing dates will begin for the bonds and we anticipate bond issuance are there any questions that you have related to the bonds themselves we have uh bob gehring from omb and we also have bond council here with us today are we putting a plan together what we're going to do or are we just going to look to line the money up first oh no we we'll get into that we're about to walk you through our plan i'm gonna walk you through how we tend to spend that right now i think and you can only spend or you can only assess 85 of what you'll spend that year is that correct for i think we we assess whatever we believe we're going to borrow for that particular year yeah and so then we budget 95 percent of that okay all right good that's that's what we're where we are with the bonds next is our biggest there's a lot going on in the chart and i'll step by step if you'll the blue area that shape is our typical and so you'll see that um down at the bottom of the chart there we go down at the bottom of the art is is the years all the way out to fy25 the vertical axis on the chart is in millions of dollars and so the blue area of the chart is our typical capital and non-capital work that we produce every year within facilities management on average that's represented by this gray dashed line which is about 21 million dollars a year on average the bond projects are indicated by this red shaded area and then when you add the blue and the red together that's this green mountain that we're going to be climbing so that's all the bond projects and how they're staggered out over time on average what that means is this orange line is our new normal

is what we call our surge and so that's going to be our total workload over the next several years we're going to be coming back through the budgeting process in order to accomplish these projects we're probably going to need some surg staffing just to manage these projects and ensure the quality that we expect uh is achieved um because we're basically doubling our workload for the next few years yes listen those ftes are that if they are fts they could be included in the funding for the bonds it's not additional we're not going to be obligated to take out general funds pay for this as we understand from bond council right now those ftus are not entirely that's so there's still some debate on that yeah how many are there we're not ready to have the final discussion with you today we had when we talked about the bonds so we're going to hire extra staff well to oversee those people any any staff hire obviously would be temporary staff anyway they're not going to be they're not going to be full time for the 20 years again so you why can't you then you want to subcontract for the staff members they would be contract staff yeah but once you go through why can't you just go through one of the vendors that are part of a project to bring this over to help oversee those it's one possible way yeah we've talked about a couple different areas um the other focused area is in qc and so qc you want that third-party perspective to ensure that you're getting what you're paying for it doesn't make sense to pay the qc something that they're doing well i understand that i understand how that works but it would just it would just be a different we're still wondering we're still working the answers to the budget process so i mean i think today you've seen that there's some it's a challenge we'll we'll be working through administration to to bring the right solution back to the board um at the appropriate time during the budget season but i wanted to make you aware of of the overall schedule and the challenge that that were that's the most significant as we then move into the actual projects themselves additional question sir um

i'm going to have a few charts that look very similar to this as we go through the four main bonds um the first bond that we're going to talk about is related to the detention center but each chart will be laid out like this there'll be a project name the amount if there's any additional notes related to that project i'll be putting them up there and i'll talk through that and then there'll be an overall timeline the green d represents the design phase of the project carried out over time the orange c represents the construction phase of the project in the design phase it it includes things so you may see a design phase that is pretty extensive but it includes things like land if needed includes design procurement includes design permitting procurement if needed and pre-construction of that project there's a lot that goes into the design side on the front before you actually start moving dirt so for the jail project it's a 128 million dollar project we're planning to add a thousand beds to the jail and also update and upgrade all of central service includes medical intake all of those other things the kitchen all of those support services that are needed for the jail to support that additional surge in inmate population well also in fact we built a 750 bed edition to the jail no uh no expansion essentially done at that time so accommodate not only what was done then but now also what this additional surge is going to be mr chairman if i could and i i know i talked to dan administrative biles about this but i wanted to get down to look at charlotte county what they did with their facility uh they built like a hospital to go along with it so kind of like we were actually a hospital at the jail now we're gonna need more room as andrew just talked about now but that may be something to us to go look at incorporate i was going to have take the trip with you and eric as well and andrew but i think every commission maybe should go take a look at that if there's other models that are out there where people have done this medical treatment because let's face it if they're in there it's very expensive the way they're doing it now they may have a better way and a better

uh result at the end and the success that they say they're having i think is something that is probably worthy of us taking a look at okay can absolutely take a look at that sure thank you yes and on that and i know i've spoken to the sheriff obviously needs to be involved in this process but you know mental illness addiction all that needs to be included and and i like what commissioner it's a provider comes in maybe it's whoever that provider is because the idea in my opinion if we can help these folks it's not a revolving door the numbers should go down and i know that i believe we all agree with that i just want to make sure i didn't hear you bring it up and that that needs to be part of it and i believe it is in charlotte county so central services includes medical but working through a partner provider it's something we can absolutely work with the stakeholder and the sheriff to ensure that partner and they have i know they have some there already but we just there's no doubt we need more so okay all right any further questions about the jail moving on so fire rescue is next we're going to work on station 42 that's going to be uh located at suncoast parkway and sr50 um that's going to be a four base new location a brand new station and it's going to be one story the next station is going to be station 17 in seven springs that's going to be a four bay replacement station currently a two bay station and that one is because of the the site limitations on that one's going to be our first two-story station site 19 is cross bayou and us-19 it's going to be a five-bay replacement this is one of our busiest stations in the county this is going to be a two-story location station 40 is also going to be a five-bay news station at sr 52 and us-19 and because of the the lots that we're looking at there this will likely be a two-story but it could possibly be a one-story again we're going to have to acquire land here station 20 is in shady this is a replacement it's going to be a three-bay one story station 22 in lando lakes uh this is the station uh just at the end of the jail on central boulevard this is going to be a four bay replacement one story click oh there we go station 44 is going to be a four-bay new location it's located at sr54 in meadow point station 18 is in crystal springs that'll be a four-bay replacement station 45 will be a new location in

bexley and that will be a one story and then last is the training center in land electrification for the training center here's what the overall schedule looks like in relation to those projects station 44 you can see design is going to kick off very shortly after 42 excuse me 42. 42 17 19 design is going to kick off immediately after we procured the bond funding and so we are preparing the solicitations right now for all of those projects station 40 is going to kick off later in fy 19 for design 20 and 22 uh will begin right around uh second quarter of fy 20 and then 44 and 18 and 45 will begin design uh middle of fy 21. and training center is also right aligned with fy21 questions related to our fire rescue projects kim you should go back two slides i think sure on the uh station 42 at suncoast and parkway uh whereabouts is that located we're still determining that exact location um but it'll be that's generally the area okay i mean i know we got a lot of construction going on there with king arthur etc maybe there's a spot there but also there's an old uh state police barracks that's there maybe you could actually incorporate some of our design into that building or that law to work with the state being that they have it they're not using it it may save us some money to kind of bring the number down the state owns it i don't know i don't believe that's owned by the state yeah is that at least it yeah yeah okay all right so anyway so it could be an opportunity there and the other the other property that's in bexley as well i noticed that number was up higher is that just because it's a little bit later in europe so all of these funding amounts are what were in the the published budget um this year as we go through the design and procurement phases these will all get fine-tuned to be what what the market rate truly is for that these are just estimates at this point but they're changing what there is cost growth bills thank you all right thank you any other questions related fire projects parks and rec received 20.2 million in go bond funding facilities is taking on the project management responsibilities for the larger or more specialized uh parks and rec projects these will total a little over 7 million and you can see those ones that are listed there parks is taking on the remainder of

those smaller more specialized amenity projects that are related to actual parks equipment and and also deferred maintenance and so the parks projects that facilities is taking on is to replace the uh the building at the west pasco office this is also known as their congress street maintenance office also looking at the san pascoe maintenance building roof the san antonio maintenance building roof stanley park restrooms the concession at ingle park the lando lakes recreation center pool pump room the fire alarm at the j ben harrell or also known as the holiday recreation complex the concession building at mitchell park and the concession building at burke's park there's actually two concession buildings at burke's park you'll see another one down a little later on the list the concession at shady hills the wesley chapel district park ac replacements the maintenance building at stanley park renovations at ankle river park the second birks park concession that i mentioned maintenance building at ingle the roof there the concession building at pine hill and the heritage community center all those projects will be done uh with project management oversight by the facility mr chairman mr moore and i've mentioned this before he's gonna laugh at me i see him in the audience the concession buildings and the costs on these i mean you guys put in a bar and like indoor seating and i mean i mean that's just the cost on those is it's just craziness i mean literally can build build a 500 5000 square foot house built understood so all of these will be will be designed at the market rate this is what was in the was in the financial plan that was published by the in the budget we will as we go out for design and procurement we will fine-tune these numbers as i come back to you you'll see these numbers over time as but right now this is what i was able to pull from the budget and again you're dealing with two different building codes commercial versus residential which does does impact the cost so there is a classification spending a lot of time in concession stands yeah and voluntary concessions um i'm just trying to figure out what we're what we're getting for that because i understand the commercial building goes but again i don't care if you're laying brick all the way from bottom to top which i assume it works these are one storey buildings um which would be obviously very safe in the fire

to meet the hurricane standards i just anything over like literally like over 150 is almost alarming to me what we're getting you know you have obviously you have if you want to put the hood and all that inside that's specialized a little bit but as somebody that okay that's done a lot of evaluations we can walk in businesses in the past and what they're worth that seems very i think we got it this guy is pretty close on the parks park one that we could probably walk you through and show you some things are in there either way the berks park one i think i think that was fine in progress it goes one week we got started early yeah so we so we can walk you through what what's involved in those things so i think the idea was to use the most modified based on the community of the specific facility i think we all we all think that number is is a little higher than we would see but to write the specs and then go out to bid hopefully that number can come down but that's what we've seen mr chairman and if there are cost savings where let's say you're going to take one design and i know tweaking is good for certain things but if you're going to be able to stick with the same architectural plans and just worry about the civil down below you got to be able to save a whole bunch of money and i think if you do a contract where okay you're going to get four different contracts those bid numbers should be able to drop down quite a bit when your water sewer all that stuff's already so that that's taken care of correct you're not running lines you're not running gas lines and we're working through some different contracting mechanisms that will enable us to in these smaller relatively projects um to enable it to expedite those and stick with one design firm and we're going out for a new design master design firm and also going for some smaller gc awards to those smaller gcs move these projects forward and have a good relationship with those folks and because the square footage on this no more than four or five hundred square foot yeah they're pretty small now some of them have two stories because they're there's an observation more than that i mean in some cases so if you add the restrooms that are like i can see that right restrooms and the some local gc fit on these projects i think that number would come way way

down way down i hope so yes just so i'm clear and i just i see design f y 19 design 20 design 21 design 22 you're telling me that we're gonna have one company come in i would think we could just say okay here's three designs we need here's one concession here's another pay somebody up front and be done with the design we're not having so you're saying we're going to use one contractor to do all these concessions no i mean i didn't say because it just seems to me like it would save us money say okay here's we already know what our design is going to be we already know we need to do five of them or whatever so here's here's the size difference i don't know how many are they all going to be different keith i don't think so you know commissioner i was going to say that i think i think the goal would be great to have one spec that we can plop down into the facility we're probably gonna be able to do that but in some camp because just the way the fields are laid out we might need to expand a footprint do a little bit of tweaking but probably you know working off of we can replicate this is the goal um and we're just gonna have to see if we can plug and play at every facility because we don't need again the rfq process takes too long to go through that then we gotta go procurement so we're looking at six months just to even get anywhere to where if we can do it at the beginning these things all be above timeline we can get them done so that's i'm just trying to save everybody time and money that's awesome so i i absolutely hear you uh and that's why we're doing two things right now with procurement we are looking we have an rsq we're going to be publishing out very shortly to talk about a new um design firm for projects of this size and scope they're relatively small um then we're also looking at um what we call a may talk it's a full award task order contract it allows you to select pre-qualified vendors have them all on basic once you have a project identified you go to those pre-qualified vendors and you say here's the project scope they all give you the quote and you immediately go because they're already they're already basically through the purchasing process you can immediately go to award work yeah right to that as well i think job order contract is what i've called before and that's how we've done that other places mr chairman doesn't follow yes and again and i appreciate all the work you guys are doing on everything and keith i think you know where i probably know where i was coming from

too it's like any savings allows you to do more right the bond's there you know so any savings allows you to do more at your parks so if you can save a few hundred grain on these you can put up with you can put up that's our goal but yeah but you know it allows you to maybe you need another consistent different park or maybe you know if you can i mean that's your boss the goal on every one of these projects is to build what we need for the lowest lowest cost right you know but to build high quality too because we want the last it'll last sure okay and so as you look at these park projects if i could sure sir yes sir um i don't see anything up there for sunwest and i know keith we've talked about different things that sun was to go up there and currently we've got the new sidewalks going along the channel which are going to be great block the wind from the wall on the other side looks like they got a good foundation set up with that but we've talked about putting a floating dock around the whole back kind of like partially floating where you can kind of connect the one peninsula and then putting something along there and then the second lake that's in the back to look at doing something there and then maybe some shade structures is that anywhere in the regular part of the plan it's not with this that's going to be coming up yeah so this this list is all just a bunch of yeah this is all the bumps okay that would be new capacity projects nothing to look at through the impacts and the standard budget process okay thank you which you'll have more of them when they start building some of those projects out there okay so one of the things you'll notice about parks projects here there's there's only one project that's aligned for fy21 but as you go back and look at the master schedule um the the jail fy21 if you went to the fire rescue there's six new projects in construction in fy21 so just look at resource needs there's a little gap here in parks and rec in fy21 but it aligns and helps us balance that workload out across the board library projects are the last project group new river library is already in the design phase and that's moving forwards along with uh centennial park however we uh we need to work with uh the soe and libraries the deconflict um a scheduling conflict for the presidential elections in fy20 are excuse me 22. um 20 20 yeah 20 20.

20 and 22 that have to be deconflicted um and so yes correct that one's the 21. um hudson and landa lakes are the 22 ones south holiday library is scheduled in umbry library hudson library and land lakes again have the deconfliction that we have to go through with soe and regency park library here's how that schedule looks as we approach those projects new river and centennial are like i said already under design and we anticipate right around the beginning of fy fy20 november time frame to kick off those projects in the construction phase south holiday library hugh embry begin as soon as we get the bond funding uh and hudson regional will begin later this year landa lakes and regency park again uh in fy20 we begin the design for those so being very aggressive with the libraries to get them updated and react just just so everybody is aware the the plan for these is close the library during construction and do the renovation and get it but move the operation construction so just so everybody's aware it if we close the libraries we can give the contract to the entire footprint so we passed the construction done faster and less expensively than if we tried to phase it through those facilities from a cost perspective and timing perspective that's the better way to work it gets us in get the construction done and then out of there as quickly as we can the other issue with the soe is we gotta those libraries have to be open for the soe during the do that you're talking about taking books and everything inside out yeah i don't know if you kept me or if you were sean what that would look like i just want to make sure everybody's aware now before we close the first one that that's what the plan is because that's what we're operating on and how we're designing these because that's quite a move time and money yes sir i didn't hear your question sir oh we're talking about you temporarily clean everything when the temporary you're going to clean everything out of there so they can do the construction so absolutely so we go through a process called weeding where we take folks that have probably reached a certain expectancy you know i don't think you need a 2007 computer book it's not quite as accurate anymore we remove all those things and we reduce spread it out to the other locations as well as the computers because obviously you shut down a branch at one location

those patrons go somewhere else oh yeah so we're also making sure that reach efforts to the local communities during these times and we're working with uh parks and other organizations to have locations so they could uphold so they will have the programs that they've come to enjoy we don't want to lose patrons during this we want to actually increase them by getting out that we don't usually have a chance to make it into because we'll have extra staff available during the the remodel right okay let's you know when i look and i'm sure we'll look at the others as well then just hudson library and reese's park library those libraries are pretty close together right now the way you get your construction set hudson is still going to be under construction while you're going to then start constructing emergency park library i would recommend that we kind of like focus if we can as we look at alternate locations if you're going to have libraries that close together that we kind of like finish one and then get everyone to go for the next for that year or something to go over there and the same thing goes for there so you can kind of tweaked where those things are closer you at least give them an alternative way to go something that's closer yeah and we can we can shift that a little bit and again there's three that we're still working on one quarter shift yeah there's still three we're working with soe to make sure we impact his operation the election at 20. but i tell you with the with the soe as far as the libraries go maybe we need to go look at i know there's like a couple of churches in those areas too that maybe we just need to go for the churches the next couple of years to say here's where you're going to go try to work that out and just make it a thing for next two years you're going to be the next two elections you're going to be at the churches instead of like worried about how to fit if we're going to be able to fit them in there's early voting of those so we are given to do early voting i'm just saying yes yes that's what those are yeah yeah so again i think a couple of these are only start date from october till so i don't think those are really that big of a challenge i think there's one that it's a bigger challenge but i think two of them are it we're talking 30 days to start by 30 days yeah so it's not a big thing and maybe atlanta lakes library if we look at that maybe it's use our utility building for the 10 days of early voters mr chairman please do early voting there right so they could they use the um coming out here rec center on election day

right okay so that's all you have to worry about there may be early voting to the rec center yeah well where are you again i'm just saying right next door we'll work with brian to make sure you conflict and that he can meet his mission too so thank you so that's the facilities uh briefing i look forward to coming back and as we progress through the through these bond projects being able to come back and show you like real numbers and show you actually some progress pictures as we move forward through these projects so if there's any additional questions i'll be glad to answer them at this time okay thank you all right thank you all right now we're going to the the revenue for the new fiscal year 2020 okay i'm sure that's gonna be a real pretty i'll let bob kick that one off not too bad good morning so as dan mentioned i'd like to take this opportunity just to go through our preliminary estimates for the fiscal year 2020 budget revenues and by revenue by preliminary i mean that this is the very first cut we've had at these revenues as we go through the year we get more information of course we will update these revenues as we go along before we jump into the revenues though i wanted to talk about our reserve and give you an update on our reserves as you're aware the government finance officers association has a best practice where they recommend to local governments that they set aside 16.7 percent of budgeted expenditures into an emergency reserve account uh that's about two months worth of uh operating uh revenues they're operating expenditures in all of our major funds we have 16.7 percent our general fund is at 9.6 and that policy was set a few years ago during the recession and by the the board we set that policy at 9.6 as we look here as we look this chart you see the bottom two rows or two lines of this or the assessed values for the general fund and the fire fund as you can see the taxable assessed values are increasing which means that they're generating more property tax revenue the interesting thing about this chart if we extended it back to 2008 which is not shown on here we would see that the assessed values in 2008 we've just achieved those assessed values in 2019. so it's taken us 11 years to recover that assessed value that declined during that recession so what we're showing you here is the main point of this is that as our assessed values are increasing that delivers more revenues for the county but at the same time that top line with the with the diamond shape that is the population increase and so as our revenues are increasing the population

is also increasing at the same time meaning that their demand for services is increasing as well [Applause] so based on what we see in activity in our building department as well as walking around looking at what's going on in the community we believe that the assessed values for next year will be about where they were for 19. so nine and a half percent increase so we're projecting and we've given our departments direction the no millage rate increase for 20 20 20. and we'll come back to you for that we wanted to caution our homeowners that even though the property values could increase by nine and a half percent to save our home protection for homestead of properties limits the increase in in the assessed values for homesteaded properties to three percent or the rate of inflation whichever is less in 2020 the rate inflation was 2.1 percent and so the of course the assessed values on a homestead property couldn't increase by more than 2.1 percent the cap for non-homesteaded properties is 10 the assessed values can't increase more than 10 percent on a non-homesteaded property so 9.5 gets us just about almost to that cap for non-homestead properties so if we look at the nine and a half percent increase and what does that generate in additional property tax revenues it would generate an additional eighteen and a half million dollars and that's budgeted of course budgeted at the 95 percent level which we're required to do traditionally we have split that increase with the sheriff and the board side and other constitutional so if we split that it's about 9.2 9.3 to the sheriff and the remainder would be to the county and other constitutionals if we take that 9.3 million and then deduct from that the tif and the cras would make 3.6 million dollars available to the board and to the other constitutionals for additional revenues for fiscal year 2020. nice mr chairman all right before we get in the weeds a little more so looking at approximately three point six i know when commissioner wells and i first came on the board um unfortunately you guys had to deal with this commercial commissioner mariano more than we did but obviously during the recession there's a lot of cuts that had to be that had to take place um when we came in now revenues increase doing a lot of deferred maintenance doing a lot of catch up okay we don't know how long the cycle is going to last i mean it's been good for a while if we knew that we'd all be you know

warren buffett right so thinking about you know if it does change and marketing conditions do change to possibly two or three four years from now um do we think we're at the point now of let's say the 3.6 where we don't need to use it all and we start sucking a little away again because the last thing i'd hate to see would be in you know two or three or four years down the road of another crash that's a great point in that we have to it's a bullet on a slide oh it is oh well i'm glad you guys thought it mattered be good that's a great idea thank you thank you so you understand my concerns is that because the last thing you want to do is come back three or four years from now and have to have a big military increase to maintain services or yeah or cut staff and cut services right so we are looking at that um there'll be a bullet later that talk about drivers when we come to the budgeting process and we're looking at a glide slope to get back to yeah so now that's not something you can do in one year okay but you know but you're right it is effectively rainy day fund you know the counties in the panhandle are using reserves that's how you pay for those things as you pull out of reserves to cover the expenses so that's what we need to do yes there is we are thinking about that we're going to try to at least make some improvement this year now how much kind of will depend but you know we are working on that yeah and i can appreciate i mean some team members um maybe don't like to hear that or or you know the clerk's office or the property appraiser or the that's you know supervisor elections but again we have to prepare for that i think about the future because i would love for this cycle to last for 10 more years but i don't know possible too you know okay but and rebuilding back our because every year last few years we've gone into our reserves and brought some monies out was that back up to where it's supposed to be i mean you you've used some one-time money to fund some continuing operation expenses which i think we will have to do this year we needed to do it i think you know between i think we'll be in good shape this year we have some bullets on a slide and a couple we can talk about some key drivers that we're looking at so okay mr chairman yes and i think getting the reserves up is a good idea i also think the way this board i think has made some really good moves and the flexibility of those reserves such as united way to go get money for the first respon the coast guard people and federal employees that may be having a shortfall but to help

them out somehow we use the money to get to buy that land for uh habitat for humanity for leisure lane so having that flexibility gives me comfort to keep that growing but i think everything should be you know not only with our budget shares budget et cetera we should make sure as we're spending money just because it's there we don't need to spend it but just if it's justifiable every step of the way then let's keep going it and if we pull the reserves away we'll have that flexibility if something comes up we can make a move yeah and you know the the general fund reserve is actually they think we we put money aside in the fine reserve for the sheriff's budget there's no fund reserve in his budget it's an it's not the general fund reserves because it's general fund money right it's all in one spot and so when he sent deputies up to the panhandle to help run a couple of towns police departments for for a few weeks they're submitting their paperwork to your first for that you'll see before you the board here in a few weeks well through the meet next week to re to give them that money back out your fund reserves until we get reimbursed for fema so but that's that's the intent of that the reserve there is to use it for those things and i'll compliment you the way you set it up for us because it didn't happen that way years ago but the flexibility you give us in the open transparency we have with it i think gives everybody a lot of comfort that we're going to use the money when we need it but for the right reasons too two things you didn't mention were loans they weren't grand that money will come back yeah just to be clear so all right just like to mention our business planning process which is the beginning of the budget process actually asks our departments to justify any new dollars so you'll be able to see if they're requesting new dollars what that justification is in terms of what the customer expects and much like we did where we budgeted and looked at taxes not only 19 but in 20. we're going to continue to do that and in fact we're going to continue we're actually where we look in future years but make sure that if we add something what does it look like over the next few and what would it look like through a say to make sure we can stress test the budget so we can do these things have a negative impact service wise and people-wise right because i mean we all people either so yeah we're doing that and we're going to continue to build that and make that strong we come forward with the budget you

have certainty that they've looked at this they've stress tested they know that you know that this is a good solid project and sorry well a couple questions and commissioner moore kind of brought it up and you know when we first got elected we were seeing the pretty much recovering from the worst you know downturn we've ever seen um i wasn't here then i know commissioner mariana was where they had to lay people off and i i don't want to ever be in that situation and i know that's why i'm so critical with saying you know technology to hire so many employees we've done a great job paying our employees what they should be getting paid i'd rather pay our employees more to have them do more and i think we're there i think we've ever seen engagement and morale as high as it i guess my point is i i'm just kind of curious that maybe boys we have now compared to 2008 just just for my own knowledge i just i i know that this isn't going to last we know that you know we saw economists last said if this lasts another i think five years it will be the longest and you guys obviously haven't i just but we have a great team it's unbelievable the energy all 57 our business and i mean that proud of that so i just want to make sure that we are still we track that and you'll see that budget slides we actually that's a standard slide that we show not now but in the may and the june discussion the business plans have been great i mean they've done a great job with it you're running just like a business show me what you need and why and what's your return on investment i think it's awesome right so okay all right okay so if we translate that nine and a half percent increase in assessed value to the fire fund that is about 4.3 million in additional revenue for the fire department for the new stations and other types of initiatives that they're interested in so the next slide is we're looking at half cent sales tax revenue we've been fortunate the past few years that our sales tax half cent sales tax revenues have been increasing by about six percent per year and a big piece of that is because pasco county's population is growing faster than the population of other counties in the state and as you know the sales tax revenues is based on population not necessarily the amount of sales tax generated in a particular area so the past few years we've been collecting about six percent increase in our sales tax revenues and we anticipate that that will increase in in 2020. we ha those are population they're not address dependent yes sir i know

we don't want to get into that it's a separate presentation for another day we're going to get a separate bag so our ambulance service fees as you can see transport fees have been increasing by about two percent per year and that's about where we see them in the next few years at growing at that rate county shared revenues another large revenue generates about 16 million dollars a year this in addition to sales tax we also get a cut of the state cigarette tax so for that reason the county share revenues are not increasing quite as quickly as sales tax but still increasing at five percent per year and so we believe that five five and a half percent for this guaranteed entitlement would be not out of reason for 2020. here's what we talk about so we have the new revenues here we talk about some potential new expenditures of course we have phase three of the library where we're going to extend the library hours for i think there's two more libraries that need extended their hours to where they were pre-recession levels there's a market study now looking at salaries of county employees to our surrounding competitors and to see how we're doing with that compensation and classification study as uh commissioner moore rightly pointed out now's in good time now is the time to start socking away money and we believe that we can create a plan that in five seven ten years to restore that emergency reserve to the 16.7 percent and then we have these business plan initiatives that after we've funded these top three things then we've got these business plan initiatives that our departments will be coming forward with on how they would like to either increase or improve service levels for our customers when we look at the municipal services fund we see that these commercial development fees residential development fees and zoning permit fees those are increasing by about three percent per year and we expect that to continue for fiscal year 2020 just given the amount of building activity out in the community again the communication service tax this is the uh 1.58 charge on your phone bill we've been using this money to fund the emergency 911 call center as you can see the it's been decreasing by about 2.8 per year from a high in 2009 of 6.2 million dollars to now just around four and a half million dollars is what we're expecting in 2020 and that shortfall we've been making up with sales tax revenues so to the extent that this communication service tax is unable to meet the needs of the communication center we've been making up that loss with

with half cent sales tax here again foreclosure registry this is one revenue that we're glad to see decrease and it's been decreasing and we continue to see it decreasing we expect it it will decrease by 30 percent between 2019 and 2020. animal licenses they're growing very slowly it's about eight hundred thousand dollars we're collecting in this area and it's growing at about one to two percent per year building permit fees as you can see building permits as you can see in the community you don't have to guess the building permit fees are increasing at about five to eight percent per year and with all the activity out there we don't see any reason why that will not continue again site review fees plan review fees these are increasing at about two to three percent per year as well chairman yes bother me and i i can ask mike this um and i just know we talk about business plans and expectations but i i know the animal licensing i know we we addressed the fees i know we got the cat i feel about that but but what's the goal i mean for averaging two percent what's i'm just kind of curious what that would be good for me to see like oh and i know it's it's not much more i don't think but i think he's pretty close to hitting it he's done an unbelievable job out there um saving animals so you know it goes to him and his team so absolutely we'll follow up for you fuel tax revenue these fuel tax revenues are growing very slowly at about one percent a year or less than one percent per year and although the county is increasing in the number of people that are here buying gasoline their vehicles are becoming more and more fuel efficient so we're buying less gas and so that's the reason there's really been very little change in our are they buying electric vehicles or an electric vehicle yes [Laughter] so tourism development tax in 2018 we increased the tourism development tax from two percent to four percent to service the loan for the wire grass uh sports complex and so those that's why you see the jump there between 17 and 18 and we continue to see more hotels being built and more customers coming to this area and so we expect to see this increase by about three percent between 19 and 20. stormwater and assessments again in line with new construction each eru is charged 95 per year and we expect an increase in the stormwater assessment revenues not because we're changing the amount of the revenue just because there are more homes and more businesses out there to be paying the fee so we expect again

this to be a healthy increase for the storm water assessment chairman i'm sorry i don't mean to have you back up bob um so with the building permit fees on the building inspection permitting fund how much money they have in reserve right now and i know the idea is for might even not necessarily make money and i know the idea when we when we first year i was in we raised all these fees and i know we've done a great job with with timing of permits esther and her folks and don's they've done a good job but i'm just curious like where are we at with the idea was not to make money but to look at it say okay maybe we're going to lower some fees eventually just kind of curious how many celebration of those that will be happening this year i think it'd be good for the board to see how much they have in reserves so the 104 has met their 16.7 percent plus they've also got some money set aside in the capital reserve there was talk early on of building a location in the central part of the county so that they've been stocking away some money in order to potentially build out there for the remodel of half park good deal stormwater assessments as we talked about water sales we're expecting an increase of 1.6 percent apologize that this doesn't match your slide we've made some changes to this since we've sent this out so we're expecting a 1.6 percent uh increase in water sales revenue due to increase in population again the same with wastewater sales about a 1.6 percent increase overall in revenues and then reclaimed water sales 8.2 percent as you go down moon lake road you've seen the laying of new pipe and things for the reclaimed water and so as infrastructure becomes more available for folks to use we expect this uh to increase eight point two percent this is also changed from mine says fifteen exactly yes we've updated these slides since they've been sent out so it's eight percent eight point two percent that's the correct number we're going to use 8.295 that's correct but i kind of like okay 15 is even better well that's my point okay fine you know that's growing that's growing just move into the subdivisions that have reclaimed water available to them which side that one yeah is it in the air packet yeah okay so so this is the one where we actually had a bunch of text on here we deleted it all because i think if you've been watching the national economy discussion it's a pretty mixed bag right now you have a bunch of people

you kind of think we're headed for a slowdown a lot of it is just pegged to that that probably be the longest session expansion on record um you know here later this year i went to uh tbba thing they brought the national homebuilders guy in and he expects that so it's a national number by the end of 19 to 20 to be not necessarily negative but really really close by the end of this year on a national basis in the you know like point three percent point four percent gb growth not necessarily going negative now that said that's a national what's happening in florida and pasco county so i think everybody there right overnational but there's things happening in florida that are helping florida stay stronger longer during this recess there's a lot of noise out in the environment right now on that talk about the fundamentals are exceedingly strong right now in the economy um and then he quoted one of the the old federal reserve chairman i think it was during reagan's term about you know that you know expansions don't don't die natural causes the fed kills them through interest rating i think it's just something we're going to watch and see what happens over the next continue to watch it but there is some discussion in the market right now of a potential slowdown later the 21. we'll see if we see it back florida like it like it oh wait but we're keeping our finger to the pulse but again you get five economists in the room depending on what's going to happen so at least right now mr chairman yes you know as long as california and new york are doing what they're doing they're driving people away from those states and they're coming here i mean across the nation a lot of the states are losing population we're going to continue to gain the more people understand the great value of florida especially the baby boomers are able to sell their homes they can now move down which hasn't happened for years that's going to continue to took him one for another 10 years anyway long as we keep doing the things we're doing i think the president we have as pro-biz we're seeing jobs coming back to this country if we can capitalize on any of that we should be good but either way as the nation goes better we're going to get better and i think with our current governor the stuff that he's been doing i think we're in great shape for several years to come correct i think on the next slide we

kind of make that point that there's some local specific things positive for us you know we're one of the fastest growing counties in the state state last is one of the two fastest growing states in the nation so i mean there's a lot of positive a lot of that's back to what you mentioned commissioner a lot of the fundamentals in this song which encourage people to relocate so we're we're taking a cautious approach because that's the approach we need i'll show we're going to stress test the budget to make sure that we're not doing something that we would regret in two or three years um keeping an eye on where things are headed and making sure we're in a good place but that was really the point of these two slides we're constantly watching just to make sure that we're doing the right budgetary process that's all we have that's all we have yeah okay thanks guys my pleasure welcome thank you so as dan teed up earlier the uh two years ago there was the discussion on uh stormwater projects and increasing the stormwater fee and at that point in time the board authorized the stormwater utility folks to go forward and enter into designs with for certain cooperative funding initiative projects with the understanding that the team would come back later to to discuss how to fund the construction of those so that is what we are here to do today um just a quick a quick note the the stormwater utility has been in in existence since the late 2000s and and over that time it is slowly growing and consisted mainly of a lot of maintenance type of activities as well as putting together and understanding the the amount of assets that the that the stormwater uh division owns operates and has to maintain you know we there was really no approach to that previously up until that time so they've made a lot of significant progress and the important thing to note here is down at the bottom the southwest florida water management district cfi project designs and those are a series of projects that we entered into cooperative funding agreements with the water management district and those designs are currently underway when we talk about stormwater i think it's important too to really assess what the level of service is that we're that we're referring to in essence we want to ensure no flooding of structures during a 100

year storm event at at that point uh flooding a little bit of flooding is probably okay so for example you want your arterials and your major exit routes to be clear during during an event but collector and local roadways it's okay to have water on them obviously if we were to try to design and construct systems that would handle 100 of the water 100 percent of the time it would be completely prohibited and a lot of new developments already meet these standards these are the standards from the land development code i believe but we have a lot of legacy areas in this county that that can't meet these standards and that continue to flood when we talk about level of service of our of our stormwater team uh with an a representing being completely proactive and able to do everything that uh that you need to f being absolutely doing nothing uh we would i would say that we are in a in a c to c minus range whereas we can plan projects and and execute those that are of a high priority nature um we meet our permit requirements we don't exceed but we don't fail either and then of course we are currently in a in a response base in other words when a complaint comes in that's how that's that's when we can take care of a problem right now so a very very reactive basis when it comes to operations and maintenance activities and then when you look at uh rehabilitating existing infrastructure on on average we're touching a piece of infrastructure every 74 years now for concrete that's probably not a problem but for galvanized metal culverts and things like that that that could be a problem those are just average figures historically when the stormwater utility fee was implemented back in 2007 it was it was kicked off at a rate of 47 per eru and that generated 11 million dollars and that went to some maintenance activities that also went to developing a stormwater inventory obviously when you you know as part of any asset management program understanding what you have and how much of it you have helps you helps you make smarter decisions along the way eight years later it was increased by ten dollars to to continue that effort and then in 2017 as as you are aware the fee was increased to 95 to address additional culvert cleaning and replacements and also a portion of that money was set aside to fund the design only of certain cooperative funding projects more specifically staff at that time presented a proposal for an additional 77 per eru to fund the the actual capital of of those of those projects they're kind of summarized here at the time we proceeded with engineering design and permitting and as i stated before the

engineering design and permitting is underway however some projects will be ready for construction in fiscal year 20 21 and 22 as we move ahead so it's time for us to start looking at how do we how do we fund those projects this is just a a high level summary of of those projects and where we stand today the bottom line is is based on current designs based on where where we see the program benefit cost ratios etc we estimate that we need approximately 45 million dollars in construction funding to execute those projects you'll notice here that many of these projects are cooperatively funded which means we pay half the water management district pays half you'll notice some of them qualify for fema assistance which is even better that helps stretch our money but the more important thing to note is that of the 45 million dollars we have to fund that money that is that is a cash requirement because the cfi and the fema money work on a reimbursement basis and it can take several years for us to see that money ultimately flow back into the into the into our funds chairman yes sir mike and i know i asked this question next to the board how long it takes us to get because most of these projects are swift mud partnership funding how long is it going to how reimbursed from school so typically if if everything is going well so typically swift mud will not re reimburse you for your design funding until you enter construction so a lot of your design funding is is sort of on your own up until you issue a notice to proceed generally speaking i mean we plan for on a cash flow basis for looking at money at the at the end of a project however if we get a cycle going with with uh with the water management district typically an invoice comes in by the time we process it get it back anywhere from 90 to 100 to 20 days if it's if it's working good that's on a per invoice basis so so there's there's a four to six month lag typically in getting getting that cash flow back in and it's it's project specific and again you get into the accounting of it there there can be some some interesting things this just shows these projects by district watershed and and location in the county and really the point here is to show that although these projects are are centered there there are centered in some areas you know we believe that storm water is kind of a county-wide issue and especially when you start looking at the watersheds different watersheds contribute to flooding that that come come and manifest themselves downstream in some of our coastal areas or even some of our landlocked areas and as you can see they run across a lot of a lot of lines throughout our county so really what we want to seek discussion from the board today on is is really looking at two things

number one the the current stormwater utility fee is a is a county-wide assessment and the question would be for these particular cfi projects the execution of this capital how do we how do we go about generating that that revenue is it a county-wide approach in other words do we increase the 95 per eru fee and we could we'll the second question then is if we were to do that by how much other approaches that the board has taken in the past looking at msb use so looking at very specific issues as well as you know another idea would be on a on a watershed issue each of these comes with a various array of relative administrative costs obviously a county-wide assessment would carry a lower administrative cost than managing specific msbus for example as well as we look at schedule impacts there's certain certain rules and things that that one must follow when when executing each of these as well as the the ability to fund the project which is which is also a strong consideration to be made when you look at especially when you consider how to raise that money and i say that because how you can raise that money if you were to directly assess on a pay-as-you-go basis versus bond financing it's going to it's it's going to look differently depending on which which assessment method we choose so moving off of the team's recommendation and thought process that stormwater is a county-wide issue we we looked at how do you fund this particular program on a county-wide basis essentially there's there's two options which is a pay-as-you-go model which is basically cash in cash out at 45 million if we were to raise the assessment for by 56 dollars per eru for three years we we would be able to fund fund that program this would represent the lowest cost of capital because obviously we're not going into debt the other two options are basically varying forms of debt one would be a bank loan again the term of a bank loan you can get now for anywhere from 15 to 20 years slightly higher cost of capital than pay as you go because there is interest however the estimated assessment would drop to 15 to 20 dollars per eru if if we were to follow that approach bond financing again up to 30 years potentially the highest cost of capital because you are paying for that over time with an estimated assessment value about 14 to 15 per eru on on that model so again when uh as as staff we're we're looking for feedback from the board on on an assessment approach again we've we've put forward that a county-wide

assessment would would be preferable um and then again which funding option although it says bond financing there i think really it comes down to pay as you go or debt we would want to look at the particulars our stormwater utility really doesn't have a credit history and so having to build that there there can be restrictions and things when it comes to bond financing um and and we we will continue to flesh those things out but it's important to understand you know the the original model when when was brought forward at 77 per eru um was kind of a pay-as-you-go model and again our our team has been able to to run run designs and re-look at those numbers and kind of whittle that number down to 56 dollars per eru on a pay-as-you-go model um but again we would you know if you look at debt financing you know typically those who benefit are the ones who are who are paying for it right so if you were to charge 56 per eru for three years uh the folks that are you know occupying that that business or unit would would pay that if they moved on there would be you know the next guy is benefiting from that so there are some benefits pros and cons of that but that is what we would like to try to get some discussion and input from the board on while most of these projects are in the design phase they're actually pretty early they're i'm not sure a little fluid and as we learn more like i say maggie valley some of those could come down correct could come down substantially if you find some different ways to do things with some of them so but don't get fixated on that what we really need because that would ultimately just change the ultimate assessment right what we really need from the board direction wise it is how do we assess you know and then what if if the decision is made to go with an assessment then what type of financing do you want to look at do you want to look at pay as cash basis or bond financing now if if the board would prefer to do these by msbu well that's a whole different discussion because we still have to make cash up front to do the project and then we assess that to the people in the msbu for 20 years still would have to have the cash up front you still have to figure out how you come up with the cash if you did the msbu approach so but what we need to do now is we're getting ready to be you know in 2020 we could start construction on some of these products if we had the available and now obviously the one option that's not on here is to do nothing which is always an option we could do no reason and not and not do any of these capital projects i mean but that is that's

that's always an option right so you know our finish the designs on an individual basis decide versus another option so but what we need today is some guidance because we're in the budget process we have these agreements both with bookmod and fema on these projects we need some guys how to go forward to execute these or are pleasure not no so mr chairman yes you know way back in hopeful when i first got elected we had storm water issues that were going on and i and i pushed staff to go and put the stormwater utility in place when it got in place everybody's afraid of it when we put it in place everybody saw we're doing something and again we're rated f across the board they saw we put a plan together then we took the next step and this board i give them tremendous credit for two years ago raising it up what we had to go do now that we're aligned with the swift mud funding and these projects are across the county i think we do need to go across county because when one part of the county suffers the other parts do as well so i mean let's take care of this situation i look at numbers a little differently as far as the as how to go if you can avoid a 15 to 20-year payment or a 30-year payment and get it done in three years i think you're ahead of the game uh and dan i'm glad you brought up as far as like magnolia valley goes ironbark is another one that i think there's better alternatives and we get a little bit more information we can take a look at it but i'll tell you with ironbark itself which is my district remember we've had years and years i know you were there all the flooding that happened out there since we put those pipes in the ground and those pumps on the ground for two years running now they haven't flooded out the situation of the geographic structure of that area the water just doesn't naturally flow where it should flow to get out there's a there's a trench that runs on state road 52 near where the fire station's going to be i have never seen water in that thing i don't know how or why if it ever goes to bear creek but if it goes it's got to go under underground because it doesn't go on a natural flow the way it was designed that water that we use in that old utilities pond works great we pumped it for a week straight after a big storm didn't even affect 20 30 percent of the whole project of capacity that we had there so that's something that i know they got a big number in there for like over four million dollars i'm going to tell you as a commissioner

from the area i'm comfortable letting that sit as we do these other things first if we did some later on magnolia valley i've got two different contracts that have come to me that both would like to take a look at doing that project between the peat that's in there talking to people that are in in the business there's great value with the soil that's there uh the drainage the more we can just pull out of that we're better i think we start like a mining operation protect the whole area and actually not have to spend money on it but we might even make money getting rid of the dirt and the motivation will be to get rid of the dirt could create some tremendous capacities and after that maybe we can go look at other things to get done but those like two projects come to mind but again to be a short answer for what dan was asking for me i think the county-wide and the uh pay as you go coming up is the ultimate way to go mr yes mr moore so i think one of the things we need to do and you just brought up a couple projects is look at each of these one by one too brought up he made a good point with iron bark after some of that work was done you haven't seen it flooded obviously i was out there too and yes in that whole area and so what what uh what happened especially that that first year um that week after we came in to office i think we need to look at these yeah definitely project by project and we well what and here's the question for everybody what about the areas in the neighborhoods that currently have msbus for stormwater projects there's already neighbors that have msps for stormwater projects so do we you you should have an msp but the other shouldn't i mean and i'm just asking this as a whole i mean so what difference these other neighborhoods from these areas they get a pass and they don't that's just a question so i mean there was nothing and some of these have been in place for for for many years i mean before you know some of this came around but um that's a question i guess you got to ask out loud so of all these if we look at these projects um which ones have water in the roads which ones have water that have actually gotten into homes i messed that question so yeah sure and and i do have staff here that can discuss very specific projects you'll notice that each each project comes with with what's referred to as a benefit cost ratio or a cost benefit ratio um and and typically anything over a one is is considered um a viable type type project obviously the higher the ratio the better um and and as we continue design we flush that out

because we're we're looking at we're looking at certain things for example magnolia valley was at a point six but as we undertake design and intensive study we anticipate that benefit cost ratio to go up and so those are all factors that factor into that so that's that's the purpose of of that benefit cost ratio is to make sure that we are providing more benefits than than what it is going going to cost us now specifically yeah specifically so i mean i know we you know i'm not saying spend a ton of time on each one but magnolia value brought up right now so since um we took over the pump and and it's working now and maintained by the county how much better is it there so i'll defer to the public work staff to talk about since positions there is the pump project which uh we have existing phones which as you know will be replacing and there's the bigger project uh in terms of using the pump yes you know there hasn't been any flooding as right there's hasn't been any flooding right there hasn't but you know i think it's also a function of in terms of uh the climate you know so it's not been raining heavily right well the last storms for example the last two events yeah they've seen street flooding okay yeah yeah yeah okay stormwater is a probability-based business i mean it's all based on probabilities and what year like 2018 which was a white year but the storms weren't of a magnitude that would cause significant flooding but it was a white year right right right or you could have a you're this as storms that roll in that that that cause flooding but just because part of the the 20 30 design process is to validate that there are valid projects i think slip mud looks at that at the 30 stage and they won't even go move forward if it doesn't meet a cost benefit ratio on their standpoint so life safety being number one lifesaver would be number one obviously um property damage property damage lifelike property those kinds of things are all part of that right so when we look at these projects how do we rank those when it comes to that all right go ahead i mean again just go back to the point you made again so for each of this project and then there are others more behind this uh we went through the task of ranking each of the projects this is just an example i'll pass this around of what we went through and the criteria we looked back so we uh independently working we can we get that on the screen if you want yeah that way everybody [Music]

i know everybody can see it bigger fonts too big oh that's bigger ones we need bigger parts thank you yeah i think that goes back to you know we're still in the study phase which means you could end up with revit refining the project anyway and where that's part of the process and you know the you know plantation palms msbu y'all just approved to help solve the water issue there you know magnolia valley the golf course was bought as an msbu timber green timber thank you okay so where is the you know was it msbu for both the land and so yeah that's i'm kind of curious why chairman if you don't mind why the magnolia valley pumps on here that was already funded it shouldn't be on here it should be done by now but we already that was all set aside back when we went through the msbu process the pump should not um that was all we had funding for all that i'm just kind of curious why it's there somebody can answer that would be great [Applause] the concrete the slab that was falling down it was replacing both pumps that was part of the the board agreed upon from the beginning was replacing the diesel pump as well as the electric pump which we've done the electric we're still waiting on the diesel because all that was part of that process there wasn't two stages it was all part of the exact same project i think what he meant on on the list of projects is the magnolia valley planting and then the uh but i'm just saying you have this down as part of an increase it should not be included in part of an increase because we've already budgeted for that back two years so this list was was taken through with the stormwater team and looking at at the budget and the financing now bear in mind justin's team has had this for you know not an entirely long time going through that uh and we did we did actually cull projects out of this uh that to ensure that that double counting wasn't occurring i will go ahead and ask staff to go back and and re-verify that but but we are pretty confident that the the funding numbers in here are correct but but i will i'll formally respond to you i am 100 positive at this point when we voted to move forward was for again the diesel the diesel must be done a year and a half ago and the reason it wasn't done is because of the slab we will come back and yeah we'll come back i will tell you what that 800 000 is actually for and uh if and whether or not it how it falls into that place and then the port richie alternative outfall i know we've discussed this

it's definitely not going to be a 450 000 project the port richie outfall i believe some of that is tied back into the magazine maggie valley project the projects are tied together that's actually being studied right now come up with whatever needs to know that because if i'm the board i'm and i i kind of but they're thinking it's to dig out magnolia valley only i mean we've got to buy right away we found this oh yeah it's more down those additional culverts under ridge road that's going to be the idea because there is a lot of flooding i mean in my issue quite frankly with these feed somebody like the congress gate ring guy that gets hit with all these er and he still floods um he did he has in the last couple years we've gotten lucky but this port richie outfall will help him and will alleviate that flooding right so it just you know anyhow i just i want to make sure we're accurate on here and the pumps absolutely positively should not be on there and if these things are in the 20 30 design that's that's the level of confidence i have in the estimate they're still real rough especially if they're in where the maggie valley project is it's in the stud the base instead but the pump was different the again the pump was supposed to be done yeah two years ago the only hold up is the slab started to fall we had to fix it that's the hole though talking about the big picture of the big project that was that was a part of the the study motion going right now people identify what the improvements need to be to actually fix that problem we already had engineers but it shouldn't be on there for new funding i mean you guys are telling us you need 798 000 from us and you're adding it to that 44. we're gonna go check it for the bond or for the i i will i will validate those numbers the tax increase you know so i understood mr chairman yes and i agree with commissioner wells i think that thing was taken care of from the get-go we had a temporary fix with the electric then we had this one here ready to go and other than a slab it should be there so that number should be different so the you know the the individual looking at each one of these projects is going to be critical um quick drive down of old was about post road we dug that out on one side where the big retention area was we dug into the canal side uh as far as we could and and brantfordia did a great job team did a great job getting it together getting a contractor in there and i think it was like eight grand we sent we dug out four truckloads of

dirt down that canal if we can clear that canal out which comes and takes all that water over from the skating rink all the way over from magnolia valley it's like you talked about when we said look i don't mind putting stormwater money into it on canals if we're going to go make the water flow better that's like a classic piece of that and if those culverts under ridge road need to be cleaned out too i don't know if they're on this part or not but again delos is studying that whole basin which would include all that there's additional culverts under ridge road that aren't open that were built because thinking we're going to need it which was smart um but but we still have to buy right away across the road and they're connected from magnolia but yes by the trailer park that always floods there there is additional conference i don't know how big but they're pretty big conference and it happened to be i saw happenstance coincidence with the past president of that mobile home park and after we had dug that out we had the storm surge coming in he said we were so worried about it and then the water levels never moved because the water was cleared out so i know we get solutions out there and some of these solutions could be real cheap like with a pipe we put in the ground at iron bark you know for 132 000 worth of pipe and two pumps going out there they haven't started in two years so i mean but i'm not sure if that solves the long-term systemic well in two years i don't know that's what firms are looking at yeah i'll give you this holiday hills that area there that's a long-term fix we're looking to doing between putting the bigger pipe in to let it flow leaving the other pipe there still i want to take that out but letting that go but then fixing that small cover behind the golfing mall that is a long-term fix that does need to happen i'm just saying if we're looking at putting these things in that need to get done right away the geographic structure of ironbark the way it sits all the water's down below we're pumping it uphill you're not going to be able to collect too much water the way it flows just there's no way to get it there except to go to that spot anyway and if you've got the pumps in place that water's coming down the hill matter of fact a lot of the hill that goes up way from the top of that pond on the far eastern side when that comes down that water flows all the way down hitting every one of those eight streets all the way to getting that spray field that's over by the fqa which we're taking over now all that water is going down to that area which now by taking over fguy with the opera system we're going to solve that problem but that's all in the same

area where this water is coming from so but if we're going to start collecting that now we're going to be in much much better shape but again sometimes these little fixes can go i mean we cut out that we are down in bmp 5a down in trinity and talking to the homeworld association president for years he sat for 12 years he was in meetings about what we're going to do fix that he says in the last two years just that cutting cutting that we're down two feet he says we haven't had an issue so now they're ready to go actually get the roads fixed so sometimes these big money things our big engineers come up with aren't the best fix to go through and if we're going to try to do this i think the most efficient way getting these bonds where we don't have to go to the bonds or the all the msbus we can be more efficient strategically fixing what we've got to fix i think we'd be better off chairman yes here's here's my thing i've said it today so we're looking at if we take the cooperative funding from swift mud we take the fema funding you got down there 44 million we need really the number is like 16 million is what we need if we get all the matches and my thing is what again this is this will be the third time we've raised taxes on these folks last time i was told brooke can ask again that was all we needed commissioner when we got back in 2017 again but you guys again you know where i feel with it i love you guys but it's we should have known the exact number back then we're not having to address this again but i just want to make sure the board understand what's what's the real number like it doesn't make sense for us to go out for a bond on 44 million that technically we're going to get back half and i get we want to put it in projects but i guess what is that number so we're being and we've been as transparent as we've ever been um with the with the residents which is awesome but the number is really 16 million if you look at it that we need so do we have to pull out a difference out of reserves for 120 days to help fund until we get the money back that's kind of my point can we be a little more creative when we get this number it's a big number for some of these businesses that's based off square footage i think each eru is what two thousand square foot i mean the guy the congress guy for instance and he's one that came to me small business owner got hit with 10 whatever the number was it was a huge number he wasn't expecting and i'm like this guy trying to survive and he's i think the challenge with pulling it out of reserves and smoke frictions on them and so if you pull it out of and i'll just i'm just throwing

out an idea true number is the true number's about 16 million well but the problem is you got to pay cash and then get reimbursed and so you female reimbursement's not going to happen 120-180 days so that's that's going to be a lot longer lead time on that if you pull out a reserve fund there are going to be restrictions on that reserve fund where you another another enterprise because you pulled out of their reserve fund because they that money is set aside reserves set there for the bond ratios or whatever that that there's a there's a need there for that we don't just put money over you know so we got to be careful doing that yo so you know and yeah all these numbers are going to change because as we get through this construction all these numbers can be a little different mr moore okay so um bass lake that area which project is that on here again the bass lake area obviously that there's a couple couple that affect that obviously being out there and seeing that yeah very serious situation that's when you that's a situation where you have house underwater and people having to cannot traverse back and forth to this hitting lake in that part of that yes it should be yeah they're back and they're saying hidden lake if i can speak for engineers but they're saying it would it would relieve a foot of water and the bass lake area yeah so you know i mean it's a great it's a great design and really um that's going in the right direction we're actually right now in a hole pattern because we got some monies waiting on fema to give us a grant so what's the other one phsc the berm psja is also part of that all of their separate projects they both pack that area yeah so why would that be and just curious to talk about rankings again right agree with you commissioner so hidden lakes and two and then phsc is 16 but and again remember that first system that came through rapid not long after we got out i think of elected that summer right was that summer um that area was pretty bad so why is i think it depends on the magnitude of the impact so one could have an impact of a foot on the free board and the other one may maybe a different impact and only impact part of that basement so you'd have to dive into the details of that impact so commissioner if i could real quick yesterday on what commissioner moore just said you know these are folks that their houses are under water um you know the berm project the way it works now it comes across

bridge into hidden lakes down into bass lake back across ridge back out through tanglewood back out to cubalus where this burn project will keep it going on that side of ridge out to the cubeless it just makes sense um it's going to relieve it and i don't disagree i think it should be right up there with the hidden lakes project they should be together um because they're going through the you know this is a yeah this is a staff review of the projects based on a lot of criteria yeah and just because we're reviewing them all at one point the key is these are all board approved projects where we have property funded agreements in place already it's not as if we're going to draw a line and only do half of them yeah the proposal here is that we're going to do all these i understand we just had to you know they went through and did a pretty detailed work through to try to come up with a ranking that the big thing is the number at the bottom and again some of the we're in the early stages of basin analysis and design which depending on what we need and the impact that you know but i guess my point commissioner's point is why rank them because you've got you know you're telling me the port ridge port richie alternative outfall is connected with magnolia valley but you got magnolia valley down towards the bottom they should be together ignore the rain but i mean but you showed us why they're ranked and you gave us them ranks that's kind of crazy but it's not a real race because the key there is that bottom number that 45 million yeah in order to go forward on these projects well that's that's what we need to make those happen listen yes i get it you got to get you're trying to sell us in a way on an alternative and here's the number but at the same time you know we answer to the concession we answer the taxpayers and whatever decision we make here they're going to know how we came up with that conclusion and if example again this is what you put together if hidden lake is attached to ph sc for bass lake think somebody's going to wonder what why do you have it ranked in are you going to do the projects at the same time we got to be able to answer those questions because we as commissioners are the ones that going to get the calls yeah well in those projects you would not do at the same time permitting pass both of them need permits and you would

get them as you get the permits you would do the work i mean both of them have if correct my own pretty substantial environmental permitting processes with them so you know if you link them together then one's gonna wait on the other one whereas if you if you broke them apart both have cooperative funding agreements in place if you got one permit in 2020 you'd move forward with that one while you would wait to get the other permit you wouldn't link them together otherwise you'd delete you could do it both right so you leave them separate all of these are part of our agreements with us i mean so we all have cooperative funding agreements in place it's just a matter of how do we how do we pay for construction and again we know mr another can i follow up yep thanks okay so we talked about the districts um in the watersheds in those districts cypress creek where does that water run to typically here's your basin manager so if you could show hey what's going on buddy if you can maybe if we could put up the map up there yeah projects by districts and watersheds because the watershed is up there to answer the question while we're waiting for that cypress creek runs to the hillsborough river pretty much north south through the center of the county and i know the answer i just wanted to oh okay no but i wanted you to answer for everybody else okay so again cypress creek which of these projects did cyprus creek have an effect on i don't possibly have an effect on if any all right amazing study on that one yeah cypress projects that would provide relief in the cypress creek watershed uh are in out flying years they're not you know immediate projects we don't have cooperative funding we did submit we didn't have any no right but we did submit a project for fy19 funding and it was turned down for corporate funding that was in the cypress creek watershed again just going back to your initial conversation and what you stated was it's a county-wide issue so that watershed just saying does not affect any of these projects doesn't have an impact on any of these projects here so in reality you can say it's county-wide if that watershed doesn't have an impact on this project then it's really not county-wide again just being transparent

i think if you look at the number of watersheds throughout the county cypress creek is one example and obviously as mr kerry pointed out there are flooding issues within within various watersheds that that can come out and again what you see here is is a line of projects that two years ago we were looking at as our priorities that doesn't mean and what you don't see here is is a line of other projects that are beyond that so when we talk about the additional money that comes back uh into the you know from the reimbursement commissioner mor i'm sorry commissioner wells you pointed out let's just use the six million dollar number there are still monies that can either be reinvested into additional priorities or if it's the pleasure of the board depending on how we do it you can refund debt and you can do other things with with those dollars what we have is a cash problem to be able to execute two years ago what we entered into agreements to do and and and again there are there are additional projects below the line that you know perhaps donald as you point out you know could affect cypress creek or or or other watersheds that we're not even talking about right but again so we're but we're not talking about those today correct so five or six years down the road and we're going to learn a similar meaning to this going we need some more that's a possibility you know i uh that's what i'm hearing because this will fund these projects it's not going to fund projects down the road unless you unless you ask for more well what what you know as i mentioned one alternative would be to reinvest the proceeds or the reimbursements into future the thing about stormwater projects is eventually you reach a point to where you are in operations and maintenance uh you fix the worst problems and then you you you make it you make a decision on how to address or not to address the remaining if they don't meet the cost benefits perhaps we buy houses instead of doing projects you know those are those are those are things as we we continue to refine it i think you've talked about on the river right yes possibly that's probably the one of the better options correct they're just they're areas where you know the fix is a multi-million dollar fix and you only for a home floodplain it just makes sense to buy those three or four homes and not do the multi-million dollar fix now that still means you're still gonna flooding is still gonna impact neighborhood but it won't be into structures do you i think you purchased one of iron heart kind of homework right multiple yeah but those people don't want to sell

oh they like living where they're living okay and especially now that the flooding is minimized guess what what about the house that you ran the pipe through or under in their backyard yeah well that that was a separate yeah we had to acquire the property so we could have landfills okay right that was over in jasmine oh that was that was jasmine okay yeah and just reinforced stormwater's probability based just because it looks like we solved the problem doesn't mean we solve long-term probability-based problems well it here at the table that's not the intent of the meeting right no but but having that county forward with this in funding construction or not funding construction you know so this is one batch of projects the board has said yes go to this yes go to fema and get cooperative funding for right which is great we have those agreements in place we're doing the design i can't go to construction without the cash to do the projects and so you know that's the challenge back to mr moore's point the other projects we're not even there yet because we don't know cost benefit ratio is on those and there may be a few that do when we get there and but we don't know yet and those may be ones we could the process of we put the cash would get reimbursed with and we can do it at that point but we don't we've not gotten there with this the program's in such infancy of doing design o m from just two years ago that we're still really cleaning this stuff up thanks and again i appreciate it and i appreciate all the once again all the work you're putting into this but it goes down to again full transparency we need to be transparent with obviously our constituents if we're looking at once we do get reimbursed putting that possibly putting those funds towards additional projects i think even starting now we would need to see those projects because that has an impact on what choice if any that we make when it comes to these funding options well yeah yeah to assertiveness because well until we can do the bond it's going to be paying it back for that long until we do basin studies on every base in the county which we're we're close on some right now close to some but not on every one of them we're not going to know that for a while and so if you're saying okay don't move forward with any of these until we come back with a full project list of all the ones we're going to need to do to get where we meet the right levels of service then we're going to be delaying these

construction projects so that's not that's not what i was saying but it was but at the same time the comment was made um by the team that you could possibly use once that money's reimbursed out of that 44 million dollars the half or whatever are more than half i guess could be cooperative with swift mud and then the fema dollars they could be put towards future projects but again so like commissioner wells mentioned earlier why are we asking for the 444 which you answered but does that go back into what pop does that go about do we reimburse that back to the citizens until we went on a project i think that depends on the board right right yeah i mean so it also knows so it also goes back to how do you want to fund them if you go to commission mariana's point if you cash fund them then you're doing that assessment just projects and then at the end of the we could come back to the list of hey if if you want to continue it we can do this r if you want to reduce it with these you know you that actually sets you up more flexibility going into the future because you haven't gone out but i mean that's one you know pro on on how to do it that way but you're still asking for the 444 over a three year period right right so you're so over and above we get we get the cooperative funding reimbursed to us and then we could either other projects or you could do something else with it you could reduce the asset a couple years to take that into account okay so there's an option now you just brought up a good option right so you say now you can reduce right if need be again how do you get that money back to the citizens if it's not going to be utilized let's say we'd reduce the assessment right we got it okay well that's if you did there's an answer if you cash flow yeah mr chairman yeah and and think about different projects out there like quail hollow in that area we just had the spray fields we just took the pipes and we ran it out up to 4g ranch and we've got all sorts of investment in that whole project in this cypress creek thing it's already been done we've already funded it everyone's paid for it so it's kind of like they're already for everybody so it's already kind of like we've already done that project when i look at the paving assessment program it's been going on so long we have to do everything the same way we can't change that right now but we're such an early stage of this right now making these moves that you know that i feel bad for the people of timber oaks right now and we can talk about them just like plantation palms maybe there's a better way to take care of what we have going through

swift mud now and i want to and i'll talk more about which two project i think should be taken out again but to get that number down but you can go do that it's just short-term thing for three years the three-year plan in three years we might be able to say you know what we can knock this down to ten or we can actually say we're gonna take part of that money i'm gonna pay back part of plantation palm money or timber oaks money and kind of lower their msbu down to try to get rid of that msp as well so that's potentially where you can go when i look at the magnolia valley storage that's 13.3 million dollars if i can get two contractors they need to go bid on what they could do to get rid of that dirt and create the same net effect without having to spend swift money or our money that frees up a whole bunch of money if i can and i will talk to the people that i'm bark i already have that if i had the delay then so that we can actually get ourselves to a better situation to reduce that uh number that's here that at 56 and get that number down between both those things i think it's a much more palatable thing to go do on both those projects and then in three years when we've gone down the road we can go re-look at it have these guys back to us and say you know what we don't need the 56 anymore now we're going to be down at 10 15 or whatever maybe number may be to pick up another project that's happened to come up i think it's an easy way to go if you do that long-term bond the money we spend on bonds is would you know just drive up the inefficiency of the whole thing all the interest here we're taking all that away and putting ourselves in a position to solve it quick get it done and then figure out what's the best thing to do and then maybe instead of that 13 million project maybe by cleaning out the end of quist drive for 180 grand it's going to be a much better investment than spending 13 million because now i'm getting the water to go out well the whole problem with the water is it's not getting out i'm solving that issue it may be a better expense of the money is that dirty magnolia is that sellable i thought we had to run some tests on that that turned up with areas that you see landfill because of arsenic so you know it reduced the cost of timber oaks it did not make the cost go away yeah you still had a pretty substantial cost so you know yeah this again now the more could say okay that's fine we want you to just do 10 million dollars before you go through can i touch that can i touch any questions before you go can i just touch on that

question a little bit to give you an idea okay part of the dirt on timber oaks that they couldn't move off was too expensive they just kept it there you've got an opportunity to put berms around that whole thing with all the let's say the bad dirt around there that you don't have to move off and you still create the storage you wanted oh yeah i got you i mean the other thing you can do is you can say okay we want to pay cash but we don't want the 56 million dollar number let's say 30 over three years so 10 million a year you go refine it and instead of doing the program over three years we do it over five or six or seven years there's another option you can you can finesse a couple ways or you say you know what we don't want to think about cash on magnolia valley until you finish the basin study we know exactly what that is so take that number out so there are some other options we can come up with and we borrow from the general fund or for that money coming in our budget so 44 million is greater than what you have in your general fund fund no but i'm talking about that extra percent we were talking about what was it three point something percent try to build that back up a little bit but how much money was that 3.6 or to go from 3.6 million that was in mr gorg's presentation yeah that that'll be potentially new revenue available in the general fund valorem to get us through some of those projects with the cash now your store you'd be taken from your avalor general fund yeah revenue to find a utility okay i got your interview you said that you set you a county-wide utility yeah well you have a set up okay quick question so what's our bond rating right now for storm water there is none no as a county double double a so that's strong right right that's strong better than some of our surrounding counties yeah could any of this affect that even though it's a separate fund or enterprise he's right behind you there council here i mean they can probably provide some information related to any if anything but anything we do here affect our bond ratings we have a separate enterprise setup for stormwater so it's effectively segregated just water and wastewater segregated from the general fund is a separate utility it's in solid waste i would still assume it's attached the county itself they look at all that somehow i mean we're we're the parent corporation of the utility which is a sense of just another corporation and where the

there we go is there any bigger impact would be so that the question is is the storm water utility where it's bond on itself uh would that positively or negatively impact the county's overall bond rating i think that's your question yes you have to come up here though just you know for the clerk what's up still morning yes good morning uh brent wilder pf and financial advisors generally speaking a self-contained financing within the utility should not have an impact on the pondering of the county because it's a distinct separate separate in the minds of the pond holders in the writing agency okay okay that's all right thank you thanks probably good reason not to blur the wall between general fund and stormwater utilities also what i was yeah thinking yeah so yes commissioner you brought up a good point you know what about the people that like plantation palms or timber oaks that have their fees that we've just put in for the msbu and everybody's going to pay that base fee that we've got in but maybe what we should be doing is and getting getting some new numbers to take so figure out what the effect would be is let's go take a look at for those people that are paying a mess for you and did magnolia magnolia valley go through what they're thinking so let's say you take those take those three msp user out there and out of this whatever the number comes out to be obviously less than 56 dollars but whatever that number is we should give them a credit back so they're not paying the 57 on top of that the msbu for the extra just i don't think it could be a huge effect in the budget but i think it'd be a fairness the right way to go i know the value is different because ermsbu was set up specifically to buy the golf course it was not set up and they were paying retire the debt of buying the golf course it was not set up to do the project itself if i recall from what people told me we actually told the residents you wouldn't pay for the stormwater project it would be it would not be done with an ms i remember that too they were told they would not pay for the stormwater project that's i would not necessarily credit them with that so i see that right now so but yeah we can look at those alternatives i mean i think that's a good point you know but you know the question is we have these projects that will be ready to start construction in 2020. now what is the pleasure of the board to fund that or it would you like us to cash flow them over a period of three to six years and not necessarily do them

all when they're ready in 2020 but start which we're going to work with our partners because you know there's a timing issue on the swiftman side too right because those all have a timing issue in the agreement you know instead of say a 56 number look at a smaller number in cash flow over a longer period of time instead of doing it over three years you cash flowing over six or something it takes longer to do it but it's a smaller number and by then maybe we refine those numbers so instead of you know 56 divided by over six it's a lower number divided by something over a longer period of time so you know like maggie mouse through the basic study so exactly what we need to do a real number that's the other option but you're still talking about really looking for a cash flow basis as opposed to a debt basis cash flow gives you those those alternatives and those that flexibility that debt doesn't even though debt is from a annual hit is a lower number it locks you into some things that may not give you the flexibility long term that you may want and danny i'm sorry if i may add to what you just said we have one project that just went to construct uh forest hills and you probably haven't gotten word of it just friday to win the construction so that's one out of the slate of the fy 1819 cfi project and we have another project zephyr creek 102 which is poised to get its permit so poised to have you know construction documents put out on the street so it it may go to construction fy19 if not fy 19 early at y20 you know and and it's a point it's a point worth mentioning right you look at you look at that one project that we were able to fund and that is you know looking you know one of the reasons why it's not it's 56 and not 77 is we've been able to look within those resources to go ahead and fund those projects now without having to to worry about an increase in the assessment so what dan says about look we can cash flow right now we generate roughly about four million dollars a year of additional you know revenue off of the design side that's not set aside for maintenance activities uh you look at some of the price tags on these projects it's it's not a whole lot of money and so again if we were to cash flow and again as we mentioned we could you know have to work with our partners because we do have contractual obligations right under these cfis and the water management district does um encumber and set aside funding based on based on those schedules and they are sensitive to that so but it is another option and an alternative that that we can we can look through can i can i also mention that from the maintenance perspective well we all know

what the issues are in cash flow then these issues cause to try to fix something from the maintenance point of view which is really not making an impact that will continue for a while that tends to frustrate everybody so if you do that if you do that instead of a 59 and you do it over six years you're looking at 30. well basically not sure because some of these projects you know 13 million project project because we may be it may be basically there yeah but some of that money is moving downstream so i don't know if you can do this i see what you're what your which point is to average it out and i think what dan said is we'd have to cash flow it and that that's really the to see where those valleys and even possibly to consider where reimbursements and those timings schedule and as you get into those projects you're going to find out they their true cost is less than that or as you go 18 months or so into one of those projects you find out you're getting return on money coming back from swift month yeah i mean yes i mean i mean every every project hits differently and so as we get into construction from the water management district at you know about four months later we start seeing some pennies coming coming back in you know that you know that entire scenario like that and come up with a lot lesser number well that we we could come up with that scenario the question would be what would be realistic correct i mean i i just would you know a lot would depend on water management district and and their agreement with right because we would have to delay certain projects yes right but but to your point commissioner if if we're constructing a project and we're paying invoices we'll submit those and some invoices to swift mud and get a 50 reimbursement into the case where we have a cfi agreement so your money does start rolling back right there's a lag yeah several but i think to your point is do you make it thirty dollars well i mean if if the first project out of the shoot is a is a 15 million dollar project i would probably say that's probably wouldn't work you'd have to take those larger cash ones you'd have to fit that in it would be a financial cash flow analysis is what our team would have to do but if something like what you're talking about you'd have to take in the larger number and then decrease it as you go off or right and in a sense so if let me just touch on one thing real quick let me just touch on one one thing that's very applicable to this yeah part of the reason this forest hills project went through with state legislative funding just like we talked about for other things we could get some state

legislative funding i mean i think got three future state reps coming that we can reach out to some of those that are on the list i mean i think it was a great potential to actually drive that number down as well as the bill numbers if you want to know what they are he has he has that information so i try to summarize what we're hearing and wrap up what i'm hearing is go back look at the cash flow look what makes sense really look at a cash funded process and then back with kind of a staggered approach that may be over instead and then see what that looks like now again at that point those priorities do begin to matter because you want to try doing the right priority right but and then we need to explain to you how we came up to the priorities and show you that's kind of what i'm hearing but sure yeah and yes real quick i mean we're looking and my thing is again we need it we need it uh but again what's the true number we're generating 25 million today in storm water total money in with what the residents are paying if we have to delay a rehab or something for three months until we get reimbursed that's kind of my saying take out of reserves and i guess another thought too have we talked to keith environmental lands or parks you know about being creative and working together again i know there's environmental lands property quite frankly that we bought that could never be developed but we did it for the right reasons it is what it is but are we talking to keith and maybe his team saying hey can we work together what's the environmental impact on this and is it the right i want it out there it's not a bad idea to bring him in the loop just to have that conversation yeah where we have right away issues or need okay but i mean it could be even if it's only a million well we have those discussions where where they can just want to make sure he's in the loop with all of these yeah okay oh i think yeah i think that's clear enough yes it's clear as much there's more clear stormwater i'd love to go to them all by the way but it takes money what we'll do is we'll work with getting you some kind of cash flow what that would look like when the priority the products in would be done as part of that and bring you something so we can maybe let's assessment increase to start doing those projects and we'll look at it way to deal with the msbus because i think you're right there's only a handful there stormwater must be used that we may be able to deal with right as part of this process that would kind of go back to the answer you're concerned about are we doing this if we set it up now we don't want to change you know later kind of like paving assessment

yeah we're going to change that now's the time to get this all right yes sir thank you thank you appreciate it all right we're adjourned thank you [Music] you