8.25.26 Pasco County Board of County Commissioner Meeting (Afternoon Session)

Good afternoon, Josh. Public Infrastructure Fiscal and Business Administration.

Okay.

Yeah. So, um, yes, Commissioner. So, this item is just simply uh an intent to acquire uh that we are presenting to um from Pasco County to the Florida Government Utility Authority. So, it's essentially us signaling to their board that we intend to acquire the consolidated system.

Okay. And with that said, as a as a member of the board, we have the representation, anytime the commission asks for this, we're granted it. And we've had several successes already. Um, and I want to just remind people the reason we joined this Florida governmental utility authority was because it troubled private water water systems. Um, I think this morning we also heard and I hope you got a copy of that file about Hudson Waterworks with the things that are going on there and I know we're looking at that as far as coming up, but this might give you some extra ammunition to go with it. But I appreciate what you're doing with this here. I think it's a great idea.

Yes, chairman. Thank you. And and I will uh I'll take note of that from this morning. Thank you. All right. Do

I have a motion for approval? Move to approve.

Mr. Sparky,

she is online. I'm sorry. Yes.

Need a roll call.

Okay. Need I got a motion. Do I need have a second?

Second.

Okay. A roll call vote.

District one, Commissioner Oakley.

I.

District two, Commissioner Weightman.

I.

District three, Commissioner Starky.

I.

District four, Commissioner Joerger.

Hi.

District five, Chairman Mariano.

I. Motion passes. Thank you. And C37, Commissioner Waitman.

Thank you.

Anybody here like pickle ball? heard of it before.

Become a cultlike sport almost, but uh no um want to pull C37 uh to recognize the uh pickball courts that are soon to be in construction and underway at West Chapel District Park. Know it's been a a long time coming, couple years in the making and uh exciting addition uh to our park system in East Pasco County. And with that uh move approval.

Second.

All in favor say I. I roll.

District one, Commissioner Oakley.

Hi.

District two, Commissioner Weightman.

Hi.

District three, Commissioner Starky.

I.

District four, Commissioner Jagger.

I.

District five, Chairman Mariano.

I Okay. And now we'll proceed with the public hearings starting with ordinances. Item P44. The clerk.

Let me read the publication. P44, Tampa Bay Times, March 4th, 2026. The item was continued from the June 2nd, 2026 BCC meeting to today.

Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman. Ntori development economic growth department. Uh item P44 is PD260446. This is an ordinance by the PES county board of county commissioners amending the PES County Land Development Code uh regarding the parking or storing of recreational vehicles etc. This item is being requested to be continued to a date uncertain.

Move to a date uncertain. Second.

Okay. Motion to second. Roll call.

District one, Commissioner Oakley.

I.

District two, Commissioner Waitman. Hi.

District three, Commissioner Starky.

I.

District four, Commissioner Joerger.

Hi.

District five, Chairman Mariano.

I.

Item P45.

P45 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times, August 5th, 2026.

Item P45 is PD260587. This is an ordinance amending Pasco County Ordinance number 2454 contracting and expanding the boundaries of Angeline Community Development District pursuant to chapter 190 Florida statutes providing for miscellaneous provisions providing for an effective date. This comes to you with with a recommendation to accept public comment and adopt the ordinance by roll call vote.

We have nobody signed up.

No one signed up. Okay. To the board.

Approval.

Second.

And roll call vote.

District one. Commissioner Oakley.

I. District two, Commissioner Weightman. Hi.

District three, Commissioner Starky.

I.

District four, Commissioner Joerger.

Hi.

District 5, Chairman Mariano.

I motion. Item P46.

P46 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times, August 5th, 2026.

Item P46 is PDE 260588. This is an ordinance amending Pasco County Ordinance number 252 contracting the boundaries of North AR1 of Pasco Community Development District pursuant to chapter 1904 of statutes providing for miscellaneous provisions providing for an effective date and this comes with a recommendation to accept public comment and adopt the ordinance by roll call vote.

Okay,

any comments? Anyone signed up?

No one signed up.

Signed up.

Second motion second. Roll call vote.

District one, Commissioner Oakley.

Hi.

District two, Commissioner Waitman.

Hi.

District three, Commissioner Starky.

I.

District four, Commissioner Joerger.

Hi.

District five, Chairman Mariano.

Hi.

And item P47.

P47 was this item was advertised by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings.

All right. And the county attorney, would you explain the procedures?

I don't do anything.

Well, they didn't change my script yet. Okay. All right. We'll skip that. Okay. Uh so we have three items that are continuous. Start with P47.

Item P47 is PD26 CU6. This is a conditional use request in the name of Dennis Andyorgi Caulfield Road Residential Treatment and Care Facility. It's a conditional use for an assisted living facility in an AR agricultural residential district in the uh North Pas Pasco County area. This is comes to you with recommendation to continue to a day uncertain.

There's a motion to continue. Move approval to continue.

Second.

Call a vote.

District one, Commissioner Oakley.

I.

District two, Commissioner Weightman.

I.

District three, Commissioner Starky.

I.

District four, Commissioner Joerger.

Hi.

District five, Chairman Mariano.

I. Item P48.

P48 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times, July 8th, 2026, and by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings. Uh item P48 is PD 267911. This is a zoning amendment in the name of HCM Hospitality LLC, Harbor Point at Port Richie MPUD master plan unit development. It's a resoning request from C2 general commercial district and MF1 multif multiple family medium density district to an MPUD master plan development. This comes with a recommendation to continue to a date uncertain.

Motion continue.

Move.

Second.

Roll call vote. District one, Commissioner Oakley.

Hi.

District two, Commissioner Waitman. Hi.

District three, Commissioner Starky.

I.

District four, Commissioner Joerger.

Hi.

District 5, Chairman Mariano.

Hi.

Item P49.

P49 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times, July 8th, 2026, and by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings.

Item P49 is PD267926. This is a zoning amendment in the name of Land Land Lark LLC, Kitten Trail Farms. It's a change in zoning from an AC agricultural district to an AR agricultural residential district in northwest Pasco County on the south side of Kitten Trail approximately 1 mile east from the intersection of Kitten Trail and Hicks Road containing approximately 14.57 acres. This comes with the recommendation to continue the item to September 22, 2026 at 1:30 p.m. or as soon thereafter as they may be heard in Newport Richie.

Move to continue.

Second.

Roll call vote.

District one, Commissioner Oakley. I

District two, Commissioner Waitman.

Hi,

District three, Commissioner Starky.

I

District four, Commissioner Joerger.

Hi.

District five, Chairman Mariano.

I Okay. And now we'll go to the consent agenda. Uh, item P50.

I approve of publication as Tampa Bay Times, July 8th, 2026.

Item P50 is PD260408. This is a development of regional impact DRRI amendment in the name of Mitchell Ranch Plaza DRRI target corporation. It's a resolution amending the development order for the Mitchell Ranch Plaza DRRI number 243 amending the boundaries of the DOU to remove a parcel for development. And this comes with a recommendation to approve the resolution amending the boundaries of the development order for the Mitchell Ranch Plaza DRI number 243. Is there anyone here in the audience or online to speak against this item?

No one signed up.

I don't see any hands here.

Jack, I'd like to speak about this item

real quick.

Pull it. You want us to pull it or just make a quick comment?

Yeah. Um, I just want to say, uh, this was kind of my emphasis to get this started and I think we should look all over the county for these opportunities because we had a lot of parking lot space that was going wasted due the old parking requirements and now um, we'll be able to help out of business uh, in the the Mitchell um, plaza. So, um, this is this is good policy and we should be looking around the county where we can get this going again.

Thank you. And we'll leave it on consent. Item P-51. Do we approve?

P-51, Tampa Bay Times, May 27th, 2026. And by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings. The item was continued from August 11th, 2026 BCC meeting to today. We have several signed up to speak.

Okay. So, we're going to have some speakers to that. Is anyone here to speak against item P-51? Okay, I'm going to pull it.

Item P-52.

P-52 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times, July 8th, 2026, and by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings.

Item P-52 is PD 267914. This is a zoning amendment to the name of 7026 Little Road, Roosevelt Commons, LLC. It's a change in zoning from an R4 highdensity residential district, C1 neighborhood commercial district and AC agricultural district to a C2 general commercial commercial district in West Pasco County at the northeast corner of the intersection of Little Road and Decubilous Road containing approximately 2.3 acres. This comes with a recommendation to approve the zoning amendment.

Okay.

I I have discussion on this before we move move to approve it.

Okay. Um, so th this parcel, if I'm not wrong, this is this this is by Jubilus, right?

At the northeast corner.

Yep. So, I just want to throw it out there. If we approve this like this, we will have three of the four corners that will be brownfields. So, they can put a gas station there. So, they'll have the 7-Eleven, there's a gas station on the other corner, and now they can put a gas station there. So, we're we would have three out of the four corners gas stations and also brownfields. So, I personally am not for that. We're going to have Newport Corners down the street. I'd love to see something else there. And then two, when these people go out of business, they're going to have to do all the environmental things just to get the the property back up. So, I'm I'm not in favor.

So, Commissioner, we're going to pull it and we'll have a discussion and we'll have a full presentation on it.

Right.

Okay. Okay. So, that'll bring us back actually to item P-53.

P53, proof of publication, Tampa Bay Times, July 8th, 2026. And by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings.

Item P-53 is PD 267934. This is a zoning amendment, the name of the Feed Co. Grace Hay Company Incorporated. uh change in zoning from an AR agricultural residential district to a C2 general commercial district in west p in west central passport county approximately 600 feet east of Chalkaw Trail and north of State Road 52 containing approximately 1.26 acres. This comes with the recommendation to approve the zoning amendment.

Okay. Is there anyone in the audience or in line here to speak against this item P53?

No one has signed up.

I don't see anyone in the audience. So we'll leave that on consent. So, our two items on consent.

Move approval.

Second.

All in favor say roll call vote.

District one, Commissioner Oakley.

I.

District two, Commissioner Weightman.

Hi.

District three, Commissioner Starky.

I.

District four, Commissioner Joerger.

I.

District five, Chairman Mariano.

Hi.

Okay. So, we'll go back to P51 and staff like to present. Good afternoon. Amy Tol with Planning, Development, and Economic Growth. Um, just for the record, item P-51, there were expartes that were sent to the clerk's office this morning, and we did receive a letter of opposition that we submitted as well. So this item is a resoning petition from a uklitian resoning from AR agricultural residential district to R4 highdensity residential district. The future land use is res 3 residential three dwelling units per gross acre. And the applicant proposes to develop the property with a maximum of 77 single family detached homes located on the west side of Kent Grove Drive approximately one mile north of State Road 52. Here's a general location of the county map. It is located within the central market area. Here's an aerial view of the subject site. A context map showing proximity to various MPDs being Tala to the east. Uh 52 Groves to the south. We've got green fields over along um Shady Hills Road. And as you can see, it is north of State Road 52, just west of uh 41. Future land use is res 3, residential 3, and the existing zoning is AR, agricultural residential, and the proposed zoning is R4 highdensity residential district. Some of the findings of fact the subject site does consist of approximately 40.96 acres developed with one single family mobile home on approximately 10 acres. There's a category 1 wetland. Uh the proposed access to the property is from Kent Grove Drive, a residential countymaintained roadway with approximately 30 ft of rideway. There's an additional 20 ft of rideway that will be dedicated and current access is via Hamlin Road, a 25 foot wide privately owned and maintained easement. The applicant volunteered into a deed restriction that is in the packet uh to u cap the density at 77 dwelling units um resulting in a gross density of under three dwelling units per gross acre which is what the future land use would have permitted. The uh deed restriction also has a $375,000 contribution to Kent Grove Drive improvements, which was uh previously discussed and agreed upon between public works and uh the applicant to contribute that for the roadway improvements. There's a railroad disclosure warning to potential noise, smell, and visual impacts to the owners of the properties when it's platted. Uh and then monotony controls and additional landscaping and buffering requirements were also imposed. Uh the subject site is not adjacent to any trails and there is a 10- foot wide multi-use path about one mile south of the subject site along State Road 52. And with that, we we recommend approval of the requested zoning amendment. And I'd be happy to answer any additional questions you may have.

Amy, could you address um we've received an objection about the notice?

Correct. Yes. Um so we did receive an objection about the notice. Uh the objection stated that Tala Vera uh request to have the entire Tala Vera to be noticed. We did confirm that the noticing that was submitted um is in accordance with our code. Uh they submitted within or they were required to notice within 500 ft. They noticed within 500 ft. Two of the Tala properties fell within that 500 ft which were owned by the CDD and they were noticed.

Okay. And were the signs that were posted in accordance with the code as well?

Correct. The signs were posted on their subject site um in accordance with the code along the frontage of the roadways.

Okay.

Any questions for staff? Okay.

Thank you. Mr. Chairman, before we get started, I don't believe we've had the reading of the zoning uh stuff or the swearing in.

Well, we don't read zoning procedures anymore, but

Okay, we're not doing people in.

All righty. If you would like to speak at any of the items in this afternoon, if you could please stand, raise your right hand.

Do you swear or affirm the testimony you are about to give is the truth? So, help you God. I do.

When you come to the podium to speak for the record, please indicate whether you have been sworn, state your name and address and spell out your last name. Thank you.

Go back to the

Mr. Chairman. Clark Hobby, Hobby and Hobby, PA, 109 North Brush Street, Tampa, Florida. I've been sworn uh here on behalf of the applicant. Um, and as you heard from staff, the the subject property that we're dealing with uh is about uh 1.1 miles north of State Road 52. Uh it's off of Kent Grove Drive. The subject area is part of the central market area and it's part of a larger area of Res 3 that really covers the entire area. Um, I suspect we didn't have a lot of oppos opposition at the planning commission, but I have a feeling that some of the neighbors are here today and some of them may have lived here for a long time. But if I might just take a second to describe the area uh around the site, maybe we go back one slide to the closer in Ariel, that would help. that the the lots that are primarily south of and to the west of of our site uh were cut up and sold as part of an unrecorded subdivision that predates the comprehensive plan. The lots were sold mostly in the mid to late 70s and early 80s. They are larger uh right now than than we're proposing there, but most of them are around 1 acre. Some of them are a little bit bigger, some of them are a little bit smaller, but at the time the the subdivision was done, the county didn't even have a comprehensive plan. And so the the subdivision itself is what the property appraiser refers to as a mobile home subdivision. It doesn't have mobile home zoning, but there are a lot of manufactured houses and legacy mobile homes in the area, and that's fine. And and and and so on and so forth. But what my client's dealing with is a site that has RES3 on this whole area and has been RES3 for some time. And the reason why that's important is that's your guiding document and that's what tells us that we have to follow um for folks who are building new projects since the comprehensive plan was adopted in 1989. So on our site it's about 40 acres gross only about 32 33 acres are upland. So when you do all the density calculations it would allow 102 units. We have voluntarily agreed to cap our units at 77. And we've also agreed to go with a minimum 60 ft lot size in the res 3 area of this portion of the county. uh 60-foot lot sizes have been found by the board to be appropriate again and again. Uh that's true in Tala Vera and recently the mosquito control project. Uh the Mitchell project on 41 uh is also in this same area of the county and has allows for even smaller lot sizes. So we feel like we're being really responsible with what we're doing here. But I think it's important that the board know and and are reminded that the board adopted policies creating the central market area and adopting this specific language I'm about to read in 2011. Part of the central market area establishment contains a policy says that Pasco County shall encourage development in the area between US 41 and the Sunost Parkway north of 52 as shown on map 2-19 which includes that area. The reason why that was done is the county realized even as of 2011 that the county had

significant infrastructure already built to serve development in this area. And we anticipated that the Sunost Parkway would have a growth uh area that would emerge over time and that's happened and that's what you see on the MPUD plans there. We have done a number of things to make this project compatible with our neighbors and following the criteria for doing so that are in the comprehensive plan. We have limited the form of access. We have upsized the buffers on two of the four sides. Two of the sides are bounded by a wetland system that can't be built and will be a nice buffer to our neighbors to the west and to the north. And in addition to doing things like that, the we realized when we started this project that Kent Grove Drive at the time was in a really bad spot. And we worked with your staff to create a mechanism where the staff could use its paving mechanism through public works to get the job done and get the road repaved. It sorely needed at the time. That was done about a month ago. this um excuse me, the zoning lagged a little bit, but we are still going to pay the county $375,000 towards the cost of repaving the road, which is significant given that we only have 77 lots. Just a reminder, we're in the central market area, so we're not in a county adopted rural area. The county has four adopted rural areas that have different criteria that have to follow. This has never been in one of those rural areas. The county has planned for this area to grow. And the county also has adopted policies that says when you're in res 3, you have to have public facilities if you have more than 25 lots. Even if we didn't reszone this property today, our existing zoning is AR and we would have more than 25 lots. So, we're gonna have to have public water and facilities. And we've been working with Pasco County Utilities on where the points of location are likely to be, but I it is unreasonable for someone to think that we would, for instance, have 1 acre lots here, uh, and then still have public facilities, which is what the comp plan would would require. Again, we're only seeking our four 60 ft minimum lots and we have capped it 25% beneath what the comp plan says we're entitled to. So, we feel like we're being good neighbors. We've tried to work with county staff and we did have a community meeting on it, but it is unreasonable to assume that someone's going to have public facilities on if someone is suggesting 1 acre lots or above. that is that's not reasonable and that's rural sprawl and it's not a good use of the county's infrastructure. So, I'm happy to listen to our neighbors, but we feel like we've got a great small project here that will add the benefit of bringing water and sewer on this side of the railroad tracks at our expense so that if people ever do want to redevelop in Kent Grove in that area, they can tap into county sewer as an amenity if they if they want to. So, happy to answer any questions you may have. I'd like to say, Clark, when we met with the with the applicant, um it was a good meeting. We talked

about the issues I had at Kent Grove. The road's terrible going in there. It was terrible going in there.

And I thought if it's going to come in, let's make it to a benefit of the community. Now, they didn't have to do all this, but they did it and they've guaranteed it, providing they get the the resoning. But I want to say working with you was was very good. Um the association, we'll hear from them as well, I'm sure. But I want to say what you did for that to help facilitate. I appreciate it. All right. Well, thank you very much. One one other thing I should say for maybe not all the board members might not know this area. It's in Commissioner Mariana's district, but immediately south of the site, there's an unpaved road named Orange Drive, and it connects over to a county park that's further to the west. And part of the reason why I think public works was interested in working with us to get K Grove paved is ultimately if we can make sure that the county actually has rightaway along Orange Drive, we'd like to get the road paved all the way over to the park. That's just a a reasonable thing for county to have as an amenity and for neighbors to have as an amenity over time, too. So, we're hoping this is the first step and there may be other steps to help uh provide amenities for the area.

Any questions? Just to make it clear, Taliva does not share an access with this project.

They they do not. That's correct.

Okay.

There's railroad track in between. Thank you.

All right. We'll go to public comment. Look for people signed up.

Okay. I'm going to call three names if you'd like to line up, please. Jim McBride, Cody McBride, and Scott Craig are the first three for P-51. Good afternoon, commissioners. Jim McBride, 17430 Hide Road, Spring Hill, Florida 34610. Appreciate the opportunity to be out here to talk to you all today. I my main function for being here is to let you all know I'm adamantly opposed to small developments scattered out through the county that have similar facts and situation that you have here and that is there's no proof to have access for utilities. They talk about the work that they've done on Kent Grove Drive. State Road 52 is six lanes wide with a divided highway coming from Shady Hills Road to 41. It's like a racetrack. So, something needs to be answered about that at traffic control there. But my main thing is, ladies and gentlemen, is to tell you that I'm a 60-year veteran of that area. In other words, I've been associated actually with more than 60 years of out there boots on the ground in this same area all the way out to 52 and up to county road. And I can tell you there's a lot of other things going on in that area that we need to be considering in your decision for whether to grant this particular authority. And that is over the years with what's been known as Ral's Branch. It's on the map there. It's over there on the other side of the railroad tracks in in 41. And that is a a drainage area for Green Lake which is there at 52 and 41 and drives under 52 over to 41 and then west all along the parallel side on the north side of the of the real estate development. Mr. Hobby clarified that that is a wetlands area there and there's more it's more than a wetlands area. When Kent Grove when Mr. Kemp bought that property. He came in and was going to put a grove there and he all the neighbors around there were really concerned. The neighbors being Jim Williams who had three boys that runs the sawmills out there on 52 been there for years and years and years. Bradshaw Campbell who had the Midway Farm and Ranch forever. And the the real hero is Joe Chapman. It's Chapman service station there at the Florida 41 and 52. Now it's important. Let me just explain to you. I've been up and down that that Green Lake and around my father had lived there on Green Lake and we've can confirm for you. I can confirm for you that the water that flows out of Green Lake down the canal over under 52 and under 41 that comes into from the east side of that subdivision is critical to the whole situation in central Pasco County. And that's from the standpoint that the the water that goes through there, if we have hurricanes, I've seen the water pouring out of Conertton over there after several hurricanes that goes down through the rideway needs to be kept open and clear. It needs to be a much bigger offset than the lot size that they've suggested. In addition to that, in addition to that, I would just

appreciate you considering this long-term resident of knowledge and the importance of the environment and this in this subdivision.

Thank you. Thank you for your service all these years in the valley.

Thank you,

Cody McBride.

Cody McBride, 17450 Kunhide Road, Spring Hill, Florida. Uh Mr. Hobby talks about uh utilities. Uh they've been working on getting utilities to this property for at least since November. Uh Tala, the CDD voted back in February not to grant access despite the offer of $40,000 to their utilities. Um there are no there there's no utilities in place. Mr. Hobby indicates that he's talking to public works. I would like to see something definitive in writing. We're talking about a high density neighborhood that is going to require city water and city sewer. I'm sorry, county water and county sewer. Um, it's not in place. It It's at least a mile away. It sounds like the applicant's not willing to pay for that. If Mr. Hobby is uh can come up here and say uh he's worked for public works and yes, we're going to have utilities in place prior to the initiation of this neighborhood being built. There's not much we can do about it. Uh I understand he talks about the guiding documents. I agree with it. I I don't understand the I understand the documents. I don't agree with the documents but they are in place and I understand those policies. But uh we talk about uh having infrastructure in place before we uh approve developments. It's a classic example. Um I spent time with Commissioner Marion and Commissioner Wakeman's. Thank you very much for your time and attention. Um, we've addressed a number of issues, not only the utilities, the uh the condition, the environmental condition, and a number of other things. Just like to reiterate, uh, thank you, Mr. Hobby, and the applicant for agreeing to pay $375,000, although that's not really agreement. That's kind of a a given fact these days with development. Um, but that's only if he gets the devel approval for the resoning. If the approval is not granted, county doesn't get the 37 $375,000. The road is improved. The road is in better condition. I've emailed uh Commissioner Mariano about my concerns with the uh the method that the road was improved and the rough spots in the road already after only being in place for a short period of time. Um and I understand that he's working with public works on that. Um Mr. your hobby indicates that uh you'd like to get the road paved from Orange Drive back to the upper Pithkudi preserve which is a wildlife corridor not really a park it's a preserve it is a wildlife corridor the wildlife also travel down the riles branch to get to the epistle so this is a a huge environmental area I understand that from living there as just as long as my dad boots on the ground I used to bail hay on this property I'm very familiar with the property this uh this just doesn't fit into the neighborhood. Mr. Hobby talks about the the adjoining areas. All the adjoining Kent Grove areas are lots of an acre or more. They have septic. They have well. These are salt of the earth people. These are tradesmen. They work hard every day. I appreciate your attention.

I uh I hope you take my comments into consideration. The infrastructure is not in place. This should not be approved at this point in time. Thank you for your time.

Next up is Scott Craig and then please follow him, Timothy Hellwig, Jan Elsie Brown, Janet Pratt, and Chris Campbell. Uh, good afternoon. I'm Scott Craig. I live at 12739 Lucier Lane, Kent Grove. Um, to basically parrot what Mr. McBride and his father said, speaking for the community, I think our biggest concern is flooding. I think that's what we're looking at. 77 homes on 40 acres is going to create a problem in our opinion. Mr. McBride is very familiar with Ri Branch, the flooding that's occurred on Aaron Cutoff from the recent hurricanes coming off of the Conerton extension. And I think for the community, that's our biggest concern. I think we'd like you to consider if you're going to approve this project for the developer is to consider reducing the size of the footprint reducing the number of homes from 77 to say half. I think that in itself will satisfy two people, the community of Kent Grove and the developer itself. It is a wildlife corridor. It is a wetland. There is a preserve already there. And uh we're just concerned really more about some of the environmental impacts um and how it's could affect potentially our neighbors around us. Um I don't really have a lot of uh knowledge about the community. I've only been living in Kro for about 16 years. I love the community. It's a great community. It's very familyoriented. Uh and we are we're just hardworking people and we're not denying anybody the opportunity to move there. Uh agreed with Mr. McBride. it is a community that will be out of place compared to what we are currently at. So just take into consideration some of our thoughts and and um consider what I'm requesting uh for my own personal is reducing the footprint from the 77 individual homes to maybe cutting that in half. I think that's maybe a fair compromise for everybody. Thank you for your time.

Timothy Hellwig. Uh, he made a good point about flooding. My name is Timothy Hellwig, 12821 Kent Grove Drive. I have been sworn in. He made a good point about flooding. Um, I um I'm situated on a lot that is in the same contiguous flood zone A is that lot. So, any fill activity that goes on in that lot will uh increase the flooding where my house is located. So, that is a big concern. Um, but I come up here with three different concerns. Um, a couple already slightly mentioned. First of all is looking at that area. Uh this is completely unprecedented. So So they claim the the lawyer here claims that uh oh there's other highdensity subdivisions in the area. I want you to notice that every single one of those has direct access to a major road and it does not impact an existing residential neighborhood. This one is completely different. They're planning to put a residential highdensity neighborhood uh off of a existing residential road. All ingress and egress to this uh new subdivision is going to go in front of existing houses. Uh one of which is a dirt road. Kent Grove is paved. Uh Lucier Lane is not is a dirt road. That is the north entrance and exit to this neighborhood and it cannot be ignored. Uh anyone coming uh into or out of this neighborhood from the south uh usually east and west is going to come up Kent Grove. Anyone coming in or out from the north is coming down Lucier. Lucier lane. Um, uh, if, uh, the reason why that's an issue is every time a car goes up and down this road, uh, they create a big cloud of dust and now depending on the wind, that cloud of dust drifts over people's houses. And that's fine in a low density setting. It's it's part of the experience. If you're gonna pack a high density neighborhood in here and start routing all that traffic down here, I think you owe it to every single resident along Lucier Lane to make sure that that road gets paved uh like a proper uh highdensity road should be. Uh finally, and the biggest issue is already mentioned is there there are no utilities there, right? The the the planning document, the narrative document that's submitted online as part of this agenda packet says that they are uh planning on pulling utilities from Talvera. Talvera has held a vote. They said they will not uh connect utilities because they already are are struggling with their utilities. Their water pressure is so low they can't hardly get their water usable. So trying to pull uh that water from them is an issue. Uh they've refused. Um unless the developer here is going to uh commit to bringing water all the way up can't grow from 52. He has no way to get utilities to this lot. Uh it doesn't fit. Um, I'd like to ask you guys to take that seriously and not just rubber stamp uh a reasonzoning that has no uh has not taken into consideration uh these issues behind it. Thank you.

Jan Elsie Brown is next.

You can pull that down if you like.

My name is Jamie Brown. I live on 17451 Minola Drive.

Have you been sworn?

This I strongly oppose.

Have you been sworn?

The 77 home subdivision on the 40 acres. I've lived in Kent Grove. Ma'am said she had.

Have you been sworn?

Pardon?

Did you say you were sworn?

Pardon?

Have you were sworn in?

Yes, I am.

Okay. Thank you. Sorry.

I oppose it. I've lived in Kent Grove subdivision since 1971. To start off with, Mr. Hobby, we have lived on those roads since 1971. So, Orange Drive, Minnola, we're okay driving with them like that. Um, it's that 40 acres, it's going to severely impact the environment, flooding, and wildlife risk. replacing the 40 acres of natural land with rooftops and pavements will exponentially increase storm water runoff into R's branch and it cannot handle that surge in adequate mitigation relying on the two small retention ponds that are going to set up next to the tributary which is a major tributary which flows into um Cody River right there at the preserve is a recipe for failure during the heavy rains that we get and the tributary does have um does overflow every summer over Kent Grove Drive. Thank you. The pollutants, the fertilizer, and the vehicle oils from 77 homes that they want to build will drain directly into RS Branch Tributary and go right into the Cody River. and the wildlife destruction clearing that 40 acres will decimate it from the wildlife to the gopher tortoises bureaus burrows as a threatening species burying them and disrupting their critical habitat and economical devastation and legally restricting. This commission must protect our watershed and our native wildlife by denying this highdensity development to prevent downstream flooding and economical disaster. And also in Kent Grove, not everybody lives in a trailer. I live in a home. It may be a stick frame home, but it is a home. Mr. Hobby, thank you. Next up is Janet Pratt.

I'm deferring.

Okay.

We can't We can't defer.

No, we can't defer.

No.

We can get your chair. We men we get you a chair and a microphone.

I don't have that much to say. All right.

Mike.

Oh, thank you.

Please state your name, your address, and if you were sworn.

Okay. Janet Pratt, 17830 Orange Drive. I was sworn in.

Thank you.

And uh so I haven't been in Kent Grove probably since 12 so 15 16 years and uh the property that is up there won't I'm on Orange Drive but it's like say two lot we call them lots we don't call them acres or what it's like two lots away from me and they're going to build all this and I feel it's going to the water and stuff is going to affect you know around it I mean you You know, common sense tells you it's what's always happened. And I just feel like it's the wrong place to build something like that. I feel like they're building wanting to build this and then they're going to come after the rest of it, you know, because it's a rural area and they need it with the hospital has been built over on uh Ridge and I just feel like they think that they need this whole area to be incorporated and we need everyday farm place. We need everyday people to live, workers. We're not the high-end. Maybe some of them have money, but we're not the high-end people, but we're everyday people. We're people with neighbors that we care about. And I put food out for people that don't have it. We have homeless living in the back. We're just not ready. And I just don't feel like that the the that you guys are listening not only to us, but other people as I've watched. you're not listening to our needs. I just that's the way I feel. I I just think that you should we vote you in and we vote for a certain thing, but we don't feel heard. We just don't we don't feel like we're heard. And I just would implore you to listen to the people and not just the dollar signs. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Chris Campbell is the last one signed up.

Is there anyone else in the audience to speak? Please line up behind Mr. Campbell.

Chris Campbell, 17737 Orange Drive, Spring Hill, Florida. I've been sworn in. Um, just want to address pretty much there's not many rural neighborhoods left in Pasco rural county and putting a neighborhood in the middle of a neighborhood really doesn't make sense. Obviously, common sense kind of deal. Um, everybody's shooting guns over the weekends. We got animals. Everybody's got chickens and goats and cows and so they're gonna be calling about that when they hear gunshots every 10 minutes. Um, also Kent Grove Drive, right where the entrance of this deal is, every time it rains pretty decent where the RS branch is, it kind of goes under it, right next to the entrance. It'll get this deep on Kent Grove Drive for hours on end just flowing across and it's paid, but it's going to be on top of it. So, it's just all it's just gonna make it worse and everybody's pretty much covered the main stuff, but it's a small neighbor. It's a neighborhood in a neighborhood. It's just that's it. Thank you.

Thank you.

Is there anyone online?

No one signed up online.

Okay.

One more person. This will be the last person. There's anyone else.

I didn't swear in.

Okay. Let me let me swear you in.

That's fine.

Go ahead and raise your right hand, please. Do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth? So, help me God.

Yes. your name and address for the record, please.

My name is William Lamb and I live at 12636 Price Lane. So, my home has Ri branch running through it. My kids swim in it. I'm adjacent to the park which is also a preserve. It's really a preserve. They you the money that was used to buy the park was penny for Pasco and then that's why there's a whole if you look into it there's a lot of stuff going on about the road going to it regular people not having access to the public park because it's called a park but it's really a preserve it was just a way to spend money probably I don't know because I didn't live in Pasco at the time I'm from St. Petersburg. I just purchased this home in this area because the area is rural because there's not 77 homes in 40 acres in the area. All I can say is putting that many homes in this area is just going to destroy everything. They spoke upon the wildlife. The property is loaded with gopher tortoises. When I say loaded, loaded, over 50 gopher tortoises because they're mating gopher tortoises and they're having babies which also live throughout the entire Kent Grove area. So, I I don't believe you guys should even approve anything other than maybe five acre lots at the most. Most of that property all along Riyles Branch is all protected wetlands. I can't build on my property because it's protected wetlands. You know, I also live in a block home, not a trailer. It's a concrete home and I have a concrete detached garage. It's a very beautiful home in a country rural setting. And that's why we moved there. And I'd hate for you guys to allow them to destroy that for all of us. So, and all I can say to add to it is whoever moves into that when they build it is not going to enjoy being our neighbors because I shoot my guns every day. Okay? And that's why we moved here and that's what we the way we want to keep it. So, I won't get rid of my property and that's all I can say. So, thank you for your time. Thank you.

Okay, that'll close public comment. I'll bring the applicant back up. Mr. Chairman, Clark Jav again. Um, I'm I'm going to let Jordan Shreder speak to the Rouse Branch issues and flood plane and so forth, but I I do want to say, you know, I am from an old Pasco family and I'm from the rural area of the county and I value what our neighbors are saying here. I can tell you we took that into account as we planned this community. We are not trying to get every single lot. We could have asked for. We didn't ask for the smallest lot size. We could have done an MPU and asked for smaller lot sizes. We did not do that. We're trying to fit in as best as we can into the community by making an a a substantial improvement to the community with the utilities we're going to bring and with the uh the payment we're going to make towards the road payment that just occurred. I will speak quickly as to the utilities. We are still working with Pasco County Utilities. We had a meeting with them last week about the utilities. Um there were service issues in Tala Vera that PCU worked on extensively about a year ago. Right now the pressures, we've done recent pressure tests in Tala and the pressures are back up and the system seems to be working fine. We may or may not make a connection through Tala. There are other areas uh along 41 where we make bring the utilities through. Uh one being we could make a connection from the mosquito um MPUD that you mosquito control NPU that you all recently approved. That isn't the only place, but that kind of uh level of detail is dealt with prior to development and prior to getting site plan approval. That's happened on almost every major project in the county. we don't go out and figure out at the time of uklitian resoning where the lines are going to go. That happens prior to development and we will have to solve that problem. If we cannot solve the problem, we won't be building a subdivision. So that's the the onus is on us. Uh with that, I was going to ask Jordan to speak to some of the environmental factors and and primarily the engineering and flooding concerns. And before Jordan comes up, um if you would, while he's talking, if you talk to the applicant, um see if there's a lower number he'd accept. Um we may want to take a look at doing a trade-off to get bigger lot sizes in in lie of the 375 for the road. I I don't think we can cuz it's not just the 375, it's the comp plan's requiring public facilities on the site, Commissioner, and so we won't be able to afford the utilities that the comp plan's requiring

even with the existing zoning.

I mean, we've got history of lots being 100 foot wide that still have utilities and not having a problem.

You can't do it in the RES3 future land use. If you have 25 or more units in the res 3 future land use public facilities element says that you have to have public facilities.

No, I'm I'm looking to get those, but I'm just trying to

We We won't literally won't be able to do the project. Commissioner, I just we won't be able to afford it, but I will go back and talk to him. I'll have Jordan Jordan speak.

Good afternoon, members of the board. Jordan Trader, 310 West Street, Sweet 150, Tampa, Florida 33609, and I have been sworn. Um I think Miss Pratt said it well. She just wants to be heard. I wrote down everybody's notes here. I want to start with Mr. McBride. Um, and again, we've met with the neighbors in neighborhood meeting. Um, a little bit of off topic, but I think the world would be a better place if there were more Jim McBride's in it. Uh, he is a good person and he come he's lived there for a long time. He brought up Ral's Branch and Mr. McBride is right. Rouse Branch begins in the southeast quadrant of 52 and 41 northwest side of Connor Preserve. It goes through Tala. It makes its way under Kent Grove and out to the west in the Cody River. One thing about Ral's Branch and one thing particular about this project is because this is a new resoning today. This project is now subject to new statewide storm water treatment rules that existing MPDs do not have to comply with. Those rules require additional treatment reduction of nitrogen phosphorus to help improve water um riverine systems like this one riles branch. So just know that by approving this MP today, it is now subject or this new this uklitian zoning today, it is now subject to new statewide storm water rules which even further treat the water before it enters Ralph Branch. On the quantity side, the flooding um Mr. McBride but also when we get down to Mr. Hellwick, they talked a lot about flooding on the opposite side. This project will go through both Pasco County and Swift Bud Review. One resident made a had a concern that it would raise the flood elevation. There are laws in place both in the county as well as with SwiftMUD where this project will not raise the flood elevation to any of these neighbors. So, please let that be known that this project will and is not allowed to raise any flood elevation on any neighbors. One thing about the north side of this project is as everybody mentioned it is Ralph's Branch. It flows from east to west. One of the neighbors brought up a concern that this would contribute to the flooding over Kent Grove Road. This project outfalls west of Kent Grove Road does not contribute to any water that goes across Kent Grove Road. So, there's no way for this project to alter any flooding conditions on Kent Grove Road. Um, let me keep on the environmental side. There were some concerns about wildlife and corridor preservation for Rouse Branch that straddles the north. By approving this zoning today, this project goes through Pasco's formal plat process, which places a perpetual conservation easement over the entire wetland system to the north. So, please note that everything, all of the wetland systems, including the buffers, will be placed in a perpetual conservation easement that can never be altered. That is different than other counties, but something we do here in Pasco. Make sure I caught everybody. I believe I captured everybody into really the flooding and the environmental straits, but if the board has any other questions

from any of the members, I wrote down notes. I'd be happy to answer them directly. Mr. Wman.

Hey. Um, Mr. Trader, Mr. So, there's 40 acres left in this neighborhood.

Do you know off top or does staff know off the top of their head? I mean, this is an island and it's surrounded. Do we know how many lots surround this piece of property? I don't have a direct count on Kent Grove uh commissioner, but when we started, this is one thing I should have pointed out uh earlier. When we started the NPUD, I did count the area and the number of units that were accessing Kent Grove and it's surprisingly large. There's over 200 there over 200 residences that are accessing Kent Grove Drive. So, we're about a third of that. in the pieces in the in the road that's being improved which comes from 52 going north. I'm assuming at least for our county staff that's the predominant route that residents in that area use to go to and from

that's correct home

primarily south 52

right to get to stores or schools wherever. Okay. So with utilities um obviously if if you guys aren't able to bring utilities in then this project never comes to fruition.

Correct.

It'll continue to be be what it what it is.

Right. Um, so it's interesting to see. I mean, there's seems to be a lot of septic to sewer opportunity conversion in here, which when you talk about the health of the environment and our in our water systems, that that's anytime we can have septic to sewer conversions, that's incredibly, you know, a healthy opportunity for our water supply county. Um well and it's also good for the environment because there are obviously around the county there are instances where we have leeching old septic fields. So over time we can convert this area if people wanted to connect to to get on the central facilities and avoid them.

Let me add to that. I mean, go ahead,

Commissioner. Wait, it's it's our job to have a longer vision, right? And I realize for some of the residents that are here today, it may they don't want to get off septic and I can understand that. This project reminds me north of Lock Street in Dade City, there was a big block grant improvement to repave the roads, bring in utilities, and it has changed that area dramatically, but we know there was there was challenge at the time, but it's helped improve that area. Um, and I could see the same situation for this area by helping to bring in public water and sewer and eventually in time take people off septic.

You see where I'm going with that thought process, chairman?

I do, but I want you to think a little bit more. Think about Foxwood. We just had opened the fire station that we just opened there. um that there had a special I think CDD or not it wasn't a CDD but an MSDU of some sort where they had deal with their flooding and roads right they're spending a lot of money from the growth that's around it that's seems pretty appropriate has now built up higher than what they are around them and causes a lot of improvements need to be made for the for all the flooding issues they have out there right

we we've got some agenda items come up later on with the CDGDR where I got community C pines. I was just up there during um the other the storm on Sunday and I go up there. It's a community that's set up pretty well. You got the old Dixie Highway on one side, you've got US 19 the other side. They're in the middle of that. Uh there's some good retention areas, but there's a lot of marshlands around. And literally just with the little bit of rain that we had, um I got like two feet of water on a road called Lefit, which is one of our projects. And I wasn't aware of water rolling over, which why I think these public hearings is so important, of water rolling over C Pines Drive in that area, but I I wasn't aware of water going over Kent Road. And that that bothers me because if the water's over the roadway, it's got to be in the streets beside it's got to be in the yards, etc. And granted, these storm water rules, they do treat water quality, but they don't do anything as far as holding water back more than like we were led to believe as far as quantity goes. Uh, with Swift's review, it's good, but it doesn't protect what's around it. It protects what's right there on the property itself. So, as much as Mr. Hobby, I've been working with you very intensely on this. I thought with Kent Grove, the residents would be real happy, but I'm really getting some reservations about this. I don't want to make the flooding worse than what's there. And the concerns I'm hearing from the residents seem to be pretty pretty legit.

Well, if I might, Commissioner, I think there's a little bit of confusion there. The area there we're talking about, the water going over the road is north of our project access. That's not where people are driving from this community south. This is north. It's north of our project. So, we won't have any effect on that one way or the other. But I I I let Jordan testify, but it's very clear some the community you're talking about and the community that's next to this were built before the current swift mud rules requiring that all the drainage be retained on site. So that may be the case in Sea Pines that was built pre85, but that's not what we're going to have to deal with. It's not about water quality. Just just about water quality. We can't increase the pre-development flow of water onto our neighbors under the county and swift mud rules. We cannot do it.

You say that you cannot do it, but you know, we we had these basins of special concerns when I first got elected. Tim Brooks was one of them. Trinity was another one. We put these rules in place because even the rules that put in place weren't enough to hold the water back.

But this is an special concern.

Let me finish.

Okay. when I and the reason I bring up Foxwood is because that was an area that was had some issues with flooding, right? So, it wasn't like it was never before, right?

But even with the other development coming in caused them to have go spend even more money and us to go out spend more money to go fix

the extra ground that was brought in, that pushes water out to the side when elevations change because if you're not going to build to the same ground level here, that changes as well. And you can say it holds in there, but you have storm events that as they get higher, it goes. And let's face it, when we see the water coming from the north, I'm not sure exactly where this comes from, but you look at the antlo when it starts up north in the antloat. By the time it gets down to Elfers and Trinity, that thing's not only taken over out of its banks, but it's taken over, you know, hope names and hope uh homes and neighborhoods are right beside it that that flow down. So, it builds and like I said, everything's in everything's a factor. Even with the best rules in place, if a big event comes up, it can be different from what the rules say they protect New York.

One thing that's that's unique and really neat in the residence about this area is if you look at the old aerials, it's it is a beautiful orange grove in the 60s, 70s, and before the freeze in the 80s. And it is that way because it is high and dry. The south side of this property is a localized high point that drains into the the Slooh there. And what we found is a lot of these lots were platted before plat rule. So everyone owns into the wetlands and they wonder why is my lot wet. It's because they own into the wetlands. They own the wetlands versus today we set those aside and we preserve them. But I want the most important thing I want to take away is that this type of property that all that flooding is contained to the wetland system in the Slooh and these orange groves are as much as 15 20 feet and the houses are well up above it. It's not like an old relic cypress system that was cleared long before ERP rules in the 80s and we built houses too low. We've seen that out where there's road and bridge districts and they have roadside swailes that are full of water in East Pasco because they're too low. That's not the case. You look at aerials here, these are old orange groves. You'll notice the the Kent Grove is sandy and dry. Um they have dusts in the dry season because that is the topography in the natural part of this area. Um, so I just want you to know that is this is very different than other pre84 subdivisions that have existing flooding conditions. This is not that

and I appreciate that. Let me let me throw this back to you though. Think about now that you got white sandy soils are up there before orange grows that soak up the water. Now the sand just goes down. It's probably better than what it would be post development. Post development you're going to have how many roads how much impervious surface is going to be out there and what's that going to do for the effect? We're actually working with we're actually looking at some percolation and treatment on this because of the new storm water rule. So, we're actually talking to Deputy Truit, head of D and some other folks and and starting to look into that on this one. So, um and again, we're doing geotech so that we can perk water. We are making sure that there's no rise in the flood plane around us that there's no impact and uh and the water water quality will be improved as well.

Uh let me ask let me ask this question to the applicant. I did have a

I you know I I appreciate that you guys have worked with us. I know Kent Grove that roadway going in has just been a disaster for years and years. A couple phone calls I get a continual. So you're working with me. Staff thought so much of it they pushed the project forward whether this gets approved or not.

Right.

Uh you still got to deal with the the utility issue as well. I would like to take the time to actually go out there with you with the with the residents. Go look let's go look at this thing over a little bit and then let's bring it back next month back to us. I commissioner I don't know that we're going to solve an engineering issue.

I don't either

with you know first of all we're both layman so I don't know what that's going to offer to the equation. I'm always happy to do that with you. Can I first you made another recommendation that if we let the 375 go so we didn't contribute that. Could we do even larger lot size? And I did talk to to my client, Mr. O'Brien. He said we could go to a 65 ft lot, but and that will reduce the number of lots probably to like 75 74, but well, I don't it might be slightly less than that, but I I I think we have a great project. Commissioner, I will make this commitment to you. If you want to meet with me, you want to meet with Jordan, if this project, if the zoning goes through, I will still meet with you. I will meet with the neighbors with you. We'll tour the site. We will do everything with the McBrides to work with them to make sure that we engineer this in the most responsible way that we can so that we do not impact the system going through there. I will do that. You have our word. Our clients here, he's just a very trustworthy guy who's been around the Bay Area a long time. We will figure this out with you. We will do the responsible thing. You have my word and Jordan and I will be out there with you.

Mr. Abby, it's not your word that I I question, but in something like this, just what we're looking at. Um, if you'd spend the time with me and I spent 22 years working on storm water stuff, seen a lot of things and my staff actually listens to a lot of things. I have and we've solved a lot of things. I don't want to make the situation worse. If you want to give me the time for continuence,

I'm with I'm with you, but my Mr. Mr. Chairman, my only point being you're talking about an engineering issue. I don't believe that that's relevant to this zoning.

The flooding is the issue that I'm worried about. And if if I can take a closer look at the situation around it, maybe so, but from what I'm hearing from the residents, it's different from um what I thought was out there and their concerns. Uh they're resonating and I think I wish you'd give this a little bit of thought here and I'll give you a minute if you want to take it. Chairman, Commissioner,

examples of of projects like this are going to come are going to become more frequent as more folks move here. these infill projects in these kind of rural semi-ural communities and they're going to be challenging to the residents uh because it's change uh and challenging to the board whoever the board is to strike the right balance and what's healthy for the existing neighborhood and also the needs of road infrastructure storm water etc. And so this is an example I guess this comments to staff uh with the good neighbor policies that we're working on uh planning and development staff that you know with really understanding the history of the site because every piece of land that's like this that's last to come in when everything around it's built built out and it's been that way for a long time. It's it's going to be a challenge. It doesn't matter for which community. It's it's going to be a challenge for the board and it's going to be a challenge for them. We have to find a way to strike, you know, the rights of the land owner and in their in what they're entitled to with with their property. It's not necessarily their fault that they've waited whatever their circumstance is for if or when they sell their property. And this is just an example of that. And I think our county and our staff uh needs to be become uh much more proficient uh in in how we manage um projects like this that that come in working with residents and and whatnot. I'm not saying that there hasn't been. I'm just saying this we're going to we're going to see uh more and more infill style projects like this coming in and it's going to be bumpy. So,

and I tell you, Commissioner W and I respectfully appreciate that because it is a struggle and then it goes all over the county. Um, but what concerns me a little bit as well is I did meet with Cody McBride before we talked about this,

thought he had objections. I asked him to go back

work work with the applicant, etc. Seen on consent.

I tell you, I thought we had the thing resolved.

Um, at last month's meeting or two weeks ago, we had the meeting at in Date City. Mr. McBride and and Cody were both in the audience asking it was going to be continued. I showed them that it was going to be continued and they were comfortable. So to see it come back under consent. Um you know I know staff skipped this program from before about get it through, get it through, find a way to Yes. But you know sometimes we step back a little bit. I've got a project coming up here in Denton that we're going to be here in a little bit that I I've got some issues with how we brought that thing forward. So, had this not been on consent, um, I'd probably more much more comfortable with it. If it was on regular, I'd been more comfortable with it. But clearly staff thought everything was okay. And the only time we put someone on consent is if everything's good, when there are no objections because one person can pull it off. Like just Commissioner Joerger, she's got the other one coming right behind this. She's she had to go pull it and she's got different play reasons why. And consent should be something that's smooth with everything taken care of. and this just hasn't been done that way. So, because of the consent, I thought we were done. I'd had this discussion with before. I I don't like doing this here.

I'd rather work things out with you, the residents, ahead of time. So,

I'll ask you one more time. Do you want to continue this to to the next meeting in Newport?

I have one other thing that I thought I might bring up. We used to do this back in the day. What if we brought the site plan approval to the board for its review and approval? That way, you get the same say. So these are engineering issues, commissioner, and we have to make sure we do the right job on the engineering. So I'm okay and the client's okay with bringing that back to the board for its approval.

Yeah, but I like having B's got a little more flexibility at this point than they do after the next point. So I' I'd rather

But is is aren't these really engineering issues, Commissioner? We have

like real life issues what people have to live with in the neighborhood.

I realize that, but

people don't just go from the south coming up here. You heard they go up to the north, too. So if I get a dirt road that's flooded out with water that's gone over it, washed it out and I can talk about plenty of projects like that. It's not just going north south. This is going south to north as well. So I'm going ask you one more time.

Can you continue this 30 more days till we bring it back?

So if we continue it, that means that it will be the applicant and the board discussing the matter the public. So, the public's gonna get another crack at it after they've already spoken.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

Hold on. Yes.

There's not that many people.

And if you've addressed it with everybody, we get everybody calm, then everything's okay.

Chairman, has there been has anybody seen a potential layout for a site plan?

We we provided one to staff,

but has a resident seen it?

Yes, we showed it to them at the the community meeting we had. because sometimes a site plan gives folks a better level of comfort, but um the resident commissioner is not comfortable here. So, professional courtesy to him.

I I we will agree to to a continuence. My my only concern is I don't you know, we've had a public hearing today. People have had the right to speak. I don't know why we would have another full public hearing.

Somebody have new information.

If they want to testify as to the new information, that would be appropriate, but I don't think it's appropriate that they're able to speak again and comment when they already did it.

And and again, I don't think it's appropriate. We have something on consent. We had so many people objecting. Think about that. That shouldn't have this should not have happened this way.

I I agree. I don't know why it was on consent, Commissioner, because Mr. McBride spoke it. He was the only one. I didn't put it on there. I have no idea.

And I thought you had it resolved. So thereby, it's not a good situation. I want to start fresh

again. Well, let let's agree to the continuence for one month and uh we'll work with you and your staff and go out and meet in the field and see what we can't learn to if there's some way to improve the project, we'll do that.

Very good.

Okay. Do you have a motion?

Second for roll call. One second. Commissioner, if you might. Commissioner Mariano, we will need to get Commissioner Maleri. I'm kidding, but she lives up here to the north. Just It's okay to continue it, but Commissioner, uh, our client is saying it's imperative that when we have this meeting that the county storm water people are out at at the site because we need people with a technical

have everybody you wish to have out there.

Okay. Thank you.

Go on record.

I'd like to go on record one more thing just about the immediate concern. And if you look on Do you have the map back up?

If you look at the map, I'm going to walk over here to point and try to talk loud. So

subject property.

You want We need to get to a mic.

Subject property.

Subject property is here in Dra Northwest.

Primary access is to 52. Secondary only is Lucier, not Kent Grove. Go to 41. take only the residents to the north that live off High that simply pass by this project use Krove Road where the drainage conveyance is right here. So I just want to make it known that this is a pass by condition that is not

we're going to look at everything.

Okay. Thank you. Motion to second roll call vote.

District one, Commissioner Oakley.

I

District two Commissioner Weightman.

Hi.

District three, Commissioner Starky.

Hi.

District four, Commissioner Joerger.

Hi. District 5, Chairman Mariano.

I motion passes. No. Item 52 have a presentation from staff.

Do we need a presentation?

Oh, you can recommend it. Make your comments.

Good afternoon, commissioners. Vasilopas, Planning, Development, and Economic Growth. And just looking for the clicker here. Very good. So this is item PTE 26-7914. This is a zoning amendment for reszoning from R4 highdensity residential district, C1 neighborhood commercial district and AC agricultural district to a C2 general commercial district. The future land use is ROR retail office and residential. And the purpose of this resoning is to allow for C2 general commercial uses including a gas station and convenience store, quick service restaurant or strip retail. This is located at the northeast corner at the intersection of Little Road into Cubulus Road. You can see a county location map here showing that the property is located in the west area market. An aerial location map. An additional context map showing the thousand foot radius around the subject site. To the immediate east is the Newport Corners Northeast Village and then a little bit to the south you can see the remainder of Newport Corners along with some of the other sites in the area. You'll see here on the future land use map that we have two parcels highlighted. Um the subject site does take those two um parcels and they are both um designated as retail office residential and then on the existing zoning map it does get a little bit more complicated in terms of the lining. So you'll see that on the southern parcel there is a um a cut off there where part of it is C1 and part of it is AC while the northern parcel is R4. And so as mentioned, those two parcels do contribute to a total acreage of 2.3 acres. Um, access to the property is being proposed from Little Road, a county ma maintained arterial roadway. Um, and it is adjacent to Dubulus Road. Um, in addition, the applicant did volunteer to a deed restriction for the live local act as well as a prohibition of uses to maintain um, you know, consistency with the area and compatibility with surrounding uses. Additionally, the applicant did agree to a binding concept plan for the use of a gas station. That binding concept plan was based on specific standards um that allowed for compatibility with Newport Corners, enhanced architectural detail um and pedestrian facilities to accommodate um the general theme behind Newport Corners and walkability. Uh in addition to that binding concept plan, there was also a provision in the deed restriction that required the applicant to um not use a gas station on the site until one of the other two gas stations had been removed and ceased operations or if um Dubulus Road was expanded to four lanes, which is currently on the CIP project list for 2029. And so with that, PD recommends approval of the zoning amendment.

Okay. Thank you. for the applicant.

Is there an applicant here?

Yes.

Do you have an applicant?

Any any questions for staff? I'm sorry.

Uh just comment. Uh it's nice to see what three of the four corners are usable. That's We don't normally get three of the four corners. We might get one or half uh of the four corners. So uh planning wise, it's an improvement and recognize that. So that that's all.

Yeah. But but is it if three of them are gas stations

it my point is that there are hard corners and they can be used and are not storm water ponds which is poor planning applicant

commissioner can I speak

uh Mr. Start. Go ahead. Sorry.

Yeah. Um, at first I wasn't in favor of this of a gas station being allowed here, but the applicant Patty the gas station patty corner to this site um has indicated that they are going to be taking out their gas station and putting in I think something else. So, um, that made me a little more comfortable with this one. And I also like the way the sighting is required to make it kind of a pedestrian uh friendly um neighborhood store type of deal.

So, which which one do you think might be going up, Mr. Starky?

Smack.

So, the one on the southwest corner um did come in for a site plan. uh hasn't been approved yet for through its first round of review and that's all the further information I have on that um but the idea is there for them to to reestablish a new use on the site

be a mobile station the mobile station be going away.

Y okay

I just I just want to go back to three at the four corners will be brown fields.

So I I do remember um and and the applicant can correct me if I'm wrong. I think there was mitigation on the one site that that he's proposing gas station use on that was already mitigated. was previously a gas station some years ago. Um, but I can let him talk more.

This is the area I live in and I don't know many areas other areas that have three gas stations on three out of the four corners. I I do not think it's a good look. I don't think it's it's good for our soil when you have three brown fields. Um, I'm just I'm just not for this project at all. So

So I understand your concerns, Commissioner. think the the intent behind the deed restriction was to um try to enhance the gas station in any capacity. If they were to go to C1 and they were to make the whole the whole lot C1, they could still get a a gas station under a special exception use, which would be very similar in terms of submitting um you know, specific criteria and standards that they would have to follow. So, we did our best to kind of follow suit with that.

So, can I ask you a question? So, we're trying to make walkable communities, right, in our planning. So, we have this community, Newport Corners, that we want to make sure that we have trails and we have paths so people can get to what three gas stations.

I mean, that sounds great.

Victoria PTO's playing development economic growth. Uh, that was the impetus behind a lot of the deed restricting that's taking place on the particular property to get a better design out of the site. uh rather than just getting a typical gas station like my like as are on the south side of the cubulus on the east and west.

You can make it look however great you want. It's still a gas station, Terry. Like you can walk to this gas station, this gas station, or this gas station, but it's still a gas station. So why can't we have something better in our community on four of the corners?

Correct. And ultimately the C2 zoning district enables the capability for a gas station on there. So

I'm fine with it without a gas station.

Right.

Yeah.

So to but to the extent that there would be a gas station, there are far more stringent controls on this property through the deed restriction than there would be on a typical C2 lot.

Good afternoon. Uh Joe Kokalikus, I have been sworn in and uh number one, I want to thank you. Thank you, Commissioner Joerger. I met with Commissioner Starky and Commissioner Jagger separately to discuss this project and and and try to communicate that I'm not here to plan a gas station um over the course and and you know, and I want to commend the commissioner for letting me know way back then that she was against this project because she did have concerns about three gas stations on this intersection. And what I'd like to clarify is there will never be three gas stations at this intersection because the only way that I would ever be able to build a gas station on this intersection is if one of the other two closed. So at the most there would be two gas stations on this intersection. Secondly, the commissioner keeps on referring to this as a brownfield site and saying it would be one of three brownfield sites. And I'd like to remind the commissioner that when I b purchased this property 20 years ago, just before the ribbon cutting of the Pasco County Courthouse that my company built, where Commissioner Mariana was there and we were both a lot younger. Um, that property was a gas station. It was a mobile station. It was contaminated. I cleaned up that site and obtained an FA F NFA letter, no further action letter from the state. So, it is not a brownfield. It was previously contaminated. Now, it's a clean site. Um, since then, over the course of the 20 years, I bought Joe Little's house that was immediately to the east, and then we bought Coastal Engineering's property uh immediately to the north for the sole purpose of assembling this corner that has been an eyesore for 20 years. Um, and developing that corner to its highest and best use. I never came with a plan for a gas station. I signed um an accepted a site plan in the event that I did come with a gas station that had the setbacks and different uh limit the pumps, limit things like that just so we can kind of keep it on the table. What I could not do was agree in perpetuity for the rest of my life that there will never be a gas station on that corner because this is a property that I assembled over these years to have something for my children. You know, I agreed to limit, you know, I want to have a car wash. Not that I have anything against car washes, but I'm just as frustrated as you. You know, cabinet shops, self- storage facilities, auto repair garages, lumber yards. I went through the entire list that staff proposed and agreed to them. Um, and I agreed because I've also been a property owner in this county for 40 years. The first land that we bought in Pasco County was to go hunting on on State Road 52. And we still have that land, but unlike the other people in the previous thing, we can't shoot there anymore. Things changed on 52. But what I will tell you is that I'm here to create value for for my family, for the county, and and find a way to develop that site properly. I had someone call

me yesterday about a hotel. I had someone call me, you know, previously about the gas stations, which again, today's gas stations aren't like other years. Um, you know, but you know, my objection here is the county requiring that in perpetuity I eliminated a use just because there's two others currently on the site. We kind of know one is already going away and I agreed that I would never even propose one unless one of the two went away. So, I appreciate your concern. I get it, you know, living living here as well. But I sincerely believe that, you know, we went through a lot with staff to reach this, you know, amicable, you know, mutually agreed upon solution. And and I would urge that you that you vote for it. Um, and in the event that sometime in the future we come up with a gas station, you have significant controls over the appearance of it and everything else. But all I want to do is reinforce A, there'll never be three gas stations. B, you don't have three brownfield sites cuz my site's clean. And C, I'm not here pitching a gas station. All I want to do is assemble three pieces of property, reszone them. One's residential, one's commercial, one's

professional, and that's it.

And just just so we're clear, I was talking if you had a gas station on it, we'd have three brownfields because I remember having the conversation with you and also to the point where I said, if this was in your neighborhood, would you want three gas stations on each corner? and you said no

if it was a nice one like a Thornton or a Waw Wa where I can get lunch but anyway number one it's only a brownfield if it's contaminated and you know and I don't really understand the technology honestly of gas stations but you can't call any gas station a brownfield it's a it's a service that we all actually use at least once a week so I you know and the two gas stations that are currently there are outdated and probably it's time for them you know I guess one is being replaced um if Again, in the remote chance that we were going to move forward with a gas station proposal, it would come before here. The design would be within your control and you know and and in that chance, you know, I would have to submit to everything. But for you to ask me in perpetuity for my kids to be looking at this site in 30 years and never be able to put a gas station on it because you don't want one in your neighborhood is not fair. So to be clear, there'll never be three gas station because you will put a third one in when there's store two there.

That's in this agreement. Yes.

All right. Are you willing to bring the site plan back if it is to be a gas station before the board?

Yes.

That's already in the description. Requires that. Okay.

Before this board.

Yes. Before this board.

Okay. That's a pretty good condition. Okay.

Okay. Time for public comment.

Mr. Chair, I did want to

do want to make one correction. So, the deed restriction currently reads as the um expansion or widening of Dubulus or one of the gas stations removed. We can change that to and if that's preferred by the board.

I mean, it's already on the CIP, so we know it's coming.

Correct.

So, there we go.

You want to restrict it? I think just to restrict it purely if there's already two gas stations the third one doesn't come

and also I don't know why this is on consent because I've not been my my first and only meeting was with um Mr. I've never had a briefing with anyone on this. So,

and just for future, I really think anytime we're having a single person, whether on the commission or not, if this opposition, it should not be on consent. It just delays the procedure and and puts misconceptions out there for the public and the rest of the board anyway.

Absolutely. I understand that.

So, does the board want changes to that language? I I definitely think we want to have language where you can't have more than two gas stations.

So that's the board. I would just remove the decubilus road language entirely. Okay.

I'm sorry I couldn't hear you.

Just remove the decubilus road language entirely.

Fine with that.

Okay, we can make that happen.

Okay.

Thank you.

All right. So, it's time for public comment for this item. Anyone here in the audience here to speak to this item?

No one is signed up. Is there anyone online?

No one is online.

All right. So, it's to the board.

Um, if I could make a comment, um, because I met with staff and Joe on this probably at least once. And I agree with Lisa, having multiple gas stations on those corners is not is not great. But I think that if there were a gas station to come here, it's going to be a better product than than the one that will be left. and then that that other corner will get redeveloped and you know that's a really old gas station and who knows what's going on with that gas station. So um that's why I'm in support of this as long as we've got all those restrictions that cover the sighting and the architecture etc. Okay. To the board.

I'll move approval with the language change of the cubis. And uh I I agree with the applicant that um to have the government restrict the hard corner to say no to a particular use that's used on a hard corner for in perpetuity is not necessarily a precedent that I I want to want to see uh in our decision- making process. But with the with the uh amended language from the county attorney, I'll make a motion to approve.

Second.

Second. Roll call vote.

District one, Commissioner Oakley.

I.

District two, Commissioner Waitman.

I.

District three, Commissioner Starky.

I.

District four, Commissioner Joerger.

Nay.

District five, Chairman Mariano.

I. Motion passes 41.

Okay. Moving to item P54. We approve. 54. I have proof. Tampa Bay Times, April 1st, 2026 and by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings. The item was continued from the May 19th, 2026 BCC meeting to the June 16, 2026 BCC meeting where it was continued to today.

Good afternoon, commissioners. William Vermillion, Planning, Development, Economic Growth. This is item PDE 267596. This is a zoning amendment in Denton Avenue MPD. This is a resoning request from AC agricultural district to an MPD master plan unit development district to allow for the maximum development of 832 single family detached homes, 75,000 ft of support commercial and 440,000 ft of light industrial and associated infrastructure on approximately 331.6 acres. This is in northeast Pasco County about 1.5 miles uh to the east of the intersection of Denton Avenue and Little Road.

Here's the location map of the subject site.

Said northeast or northwest?

Northwest.

Here's the the subject site's aerial. It's uh it's currently vacant with a tree line to the north and to the south. the current zoning request AC the future land use and here is the contextual map of the subject site outlined in red. You can see here which bifurcates the property is the Bolton Avenue extension which a little bit further along in the presentation we'll speak about. Uh to the north side of course Denton Avenue uh where you can find the Denton Place MPD which was approved uh around 2023. Also to the north is the Arthur Engle Park and existing R4 uh development of some smaller clustered homes. And of course um the intersection of Hicks Road and the Bolton Avenue extension and to the south the property is bordered by Kitten Trail. This is the MPD master plan. Um the master plan has been updated um since it went to the planning commission. Um when when the project went to the planning commission, they first asked um staff and the applicant as a part of their motion to do a couple different things. Um, one of which was to reach back out to our fire rescue department um about the amount of accesses um to Denton Avenue for the project to ensure that fire rescue didn't have any additional comments since the project had been in review for roughly four or five years. This project has been in since uh 2021. And uh fire confirmed um to PTE that they didn't have any more additional comments about the two accesses on Denton Road. But what you'll see here on this master plan is that PTE worked with the applicant um to get the construction of Bolton Avenue from its uh from the subject site all the way out to Hicks Road as a 60-oot cross-section with two 10-ft multi-use paths on either side. And I can add a little bit more detail to that. Um you can see the typical sections here which show the the multi-use paths as well as the uh the linear lanage um of the 60oot cross-section. But as we move into the binding concept plan here, what what the applicant worked with PTE on specifically was the orange area to the south. Those are 70 foot lots, particularly around the existing neighbors of the uh the larger lots that get their access from Kitten Trail. and then also m doing the 60 foot lots in yellow along the other boundaries of the property um to help with the uh the blending of densities for the area and the overall size and lot configuration. You can see that I've zoomed in on the southern portion of the plan here um with one of the features which is the park space that's down there in that uh tooth section as I call it of the property that comes down to Kitten Trail which will remain a park uh as well as have that red trail access down to Kitten Trail in which the applicant will install some uh safe light flashers for pedestrians to be able to get to the CIP project that put in the pedestrian facilities on the southern side of

Kitten Trail. Additionally, you can see here in the dark green along the southern boundary that that is a 40 foot wide buffer. Originally, it was a 20 foot wide buffer. The applicant increased that to 40 feet after hearing from the residents at both the planning commission and the numerous neighborhood meetings. As we as we move to the north, um what's required by the code in section 9017 is for the applicant to construct any pedestrian facilities within within a rideway along the project's linear frontage. And in this case, that would have been the 10-ft multi-use path on the southern side of Denton Avenue. The applicant worked with staff in this case to build the multi-use path on the southern side of the project until you get to the north south spine road. at which time they transition to the north side of the road, of course, with safe pedestrian crossing infrastructure there. Um, which is that blue area, and then continue building the multi-use path offsite. Um, approximately 1300 linear feet to the entrance of the park, which helps complete the pedestrian network out here in the area. um when the applicant comes up and speaks and talks about um some of the behavioral patterns that happen out there, people are having to walk in the grass currently to get in that park because there's no pedestrian infrastructure. So, the applicant worked with PTE um to have them build off-site pedestrian improvements, which are mobility fee credible against the bike ped portion of the mobility fee, which is highlighted there in red. That's the only credible section. There is also a binding landscaping and buffering plan here. This shows what happens within the 40 foot buffer to the south as well as the uh the buffers that are going to happen along Denton Avenue and on the eastern and western boundaries. The largest of which of course is that 40ft buffer to the south which is denoted denoted here on the binding exterior landscape and buffering plan. These are renderings of what that 40ft buffer would look like both at time of planting. You can see at time of planting um at installation there in the top left hand corner of this. This is the what the plantings would look like at installation um in accordance with what the code requires for for trees to be a time of installation. And then also at maturity what that buffer would look like in terms of tree canopy. There's also um the Florida native pallet which is binding as a part of this project which limits the applicant specifically to Florida native plant pallet that they use here um which is indicated here. There's two variations from the code and I think uh I'd like to go back one step here. Um, in some of the commissioner meetings, um, there was concerns about the intersection as it was with East Road and Denton Avenue with that unsafe turn that's happening there. And I just wanted to have it on the record that the county did have a a project out there

that is currently underway that's supposed to be done by the end of 26 or early 27 to add eastbound and westbound left turn lanes to help with that dangerous curve intersection um, for East Road and Den Avenue. There's two variation requests here. The first being from 9052D5 street design dedication requirements. This is uh for the applicant not to provide a southern vehicular connection. As I went back to the binding plan, um several residents here in the audience and at the neighborhood meetings um were concerned with traffic on Kitten Trail. So what the applicant did was provide a pedestrian connection to Kitten Trail to our CIP project here at the county where we built the pedestrian facilities in lie of a vehicular connection. Then providing the connection uh two to the north and then building Bolton Avenue as you move out to Hicks Road. And the final variation from 8052 restrictions on postdevelopment wetlands and upland buffers. This is the uh the traditional uh creation of a CDD HOA. This is particularly for the industrial and commercial areas to not have to establish a CDD or HOA to maintain the common areas if they're maintained by uh one single entity. Staff is amanable to both of these requests as I just mentioned here um because of the the passive park the CIP project and the pedestrian connection as well as meeting the intent and code for the maintenance of open space within commercial and industrial land. This comes to you with a recommendation of approval from both the planning and development economic growth department and to the planning commission. I'm available for any questions.

Got a few questions for you.

Before you do that, we don't have some exarty.

I have that note here and I failed to read it. Exparte communications and letter of opposition were sent to the clerk's office this morning as I received one.

Just in case mine aren't in there, I've met with the applicant. I've also met with residents. So, all right. So, let's go to the site plan. Okay. So, what you've got and if you're over 600 units in the development, you have to have two exit and entrances. Correct.

Yes, sir.

Okay. So, I want everyone to take a close look at this. Now, Kitten Trail, if you've been there in the morning when school's dropped off, it's a mess both ways coming in. coming out and Hudson Avenue that serves the same complex is the same way. It's very very crowded. So for you to take and we have that big other developments coming down the street to the left of the screen here. You've got one entrance main spine coming in and all that traffic's got to go up to Denton Nav to get out. Whether they're going to right or left, they're all coming there. Then they've got to go compete with the other developments down the street to get to the south because right now you'd have to go to Little Road to get down to the school. Then they got to swing into New York Avenue to come in and then hit Hicks Road, another two-lane road which doesn't have an improved intersection whatsoever. Any traffic coming from Hicks Road down below, it's it's just it's going to be super crowded. You had an opportunity and we've had these discussions. So, I'm very disappointed to see what you come up with. Just your no your spine coming out there right to the center of the screen. And if you look to where this 10acre commercial parcel is in the purple, look at where the second exit is. It's all the way to the left and it looks like it's just two lanes coming in and out. And the second entrance for the 600 unit is supposed to be that road. This defies any logical setup why this code was ever set up to be this way. We would never set it or design it this way. Now, I work with staff and I'm very disappointed to see them coming back with a recommendation approval when it doesn't deal with it. When just to the south, where you see the dark maroon line in the center of their site plan, that's Bolton Avenue. Bolton Avenue. If they took it, they could connect it and they would hit to where Hicks Road would be, which would be a north south road going in. It would connect further to Little Road and US19, thereby dispersing the traffic with a better chance around the whole area. But now you're driving it where it's all going to come down from Little Road. They don't go through 19 on there and then it's all going to be jammed in there and I've got no improvements whatsoever.

Oh, perhaps I I wasn't clear. a part of this this Denton Avenue that's coming before you that wasn't um before planning commission is the construction of Bolton Avenue as a responsibility of this project out to Hicks Road. So, not only do you have two connections to Denton Avenue um per the land development code, you also have a a third connection out to the construction of Bolton Road all the way to Hicks.

Why is this in the plan?

Oh, so since it since it's an off since it's an off-site improvement, we didn't show it on the plan. We showed it on the cross-section in the conditions because the applicant has to submit a subsequent development agreement which would come back before the commissioners.

This is absurd. Absolutely absurd. I've talked about this thing all the time. You set the line right up there. You don't go through your comments, but you tell me it's coming. This is this is absurd. Um All right. I don't want to approve it till this thing's done. And this thing doesn't get built until that road's done. Period. The end. But let's go further. I also talked with you about Bohannan Road. Those of you who don't know what's up in Zephr Hills. You had a trailer park going along the side, all asphalted in their development. Beside them is a dirt road which they didn't control. That dirt road gets used and the dust goes up and over and just buries those people along that way. Then you've heard of Wanda Stevens. I'm sure you met her a few times because that road needs to be paved alongside that. It's hard enough in a rural area with big lots right beside it to have a dirt road when you got homes coming beside it because the people that are going to be the worst affected are the new people are going to be coming in alongside you and that's not addressed either.

Sure. Uh right now there's no connection to Mattis Road until it's improved. Of course, Bolton Road's going to extend out to Coyote. So, there shouldn't be any dust concerns because there'll be no additional traffic on Mattis.

The Mattis Road people that live there now are still going to continue to the road and cause the dust to fly and the dust is going to fly off to the side. I've got comments who talked to Brford and his and his team. They were even complaining about the dirt roads out there as well. So, there's no no time there's no improvement being made and those people living on that way are going to get affected. about this development coming in. Uh the people that are in the development are going to be affected by the people on the dirt road. It's an incompatible use for that reason and it hasn't been addressed.

Sure.

I I have a question. So,

one of my uh more than one of my constituents had a had a question. Can you keep Kitten Trail closed? Because the fire department said they did not need the access to Kitten Trail. They would like it closed. They don't want a future connection there.

Absolutely. Um, so down there in that that green area in the passive park, that's where it's only going to be a pedestrian connection to Kitten Trail. No additional vehicles on the Kitten Trail and the fire department is okay with that.

I'm saying though, if it was if it was a passive park, do we need a connection for fire safety?

No, ma'am. The the fire department was all right with the two connections on Denton and was even more thrilled to have the third connection via Bolton Avenue.

Okay. So, Kitten Trail will be closed to all vehicles.

Yes, ma'am. Just just the pedestrian connection.

Okay. And then another question was, I guess this would be for the applicant. Would they be willing to do a 40 foot buffer all around instead of 20 feet? Because we have 40 feet and then 20 feet.

I can certainly let the applicant speak to that. Any questions for staff?

Sure.

Commission Whitman.

That way you don't limp away too hard from from this initial item.

Just a public servant.

A humble public a tough public servant. So, um, you know, this the evolution of this this project, uh, from where we saw this thing when I first came on the board almost four years ago to today, I will compliment the the the the staff's work on this, uh, as of its evolution to get to this point from where it started to where it is. It has come a long way. There's still clearly some, uh, level of, uh, uh, discomfort with it, but uh, the plan is seemingly improving. So, um, I just wanted to note that, uh, before we move forward with the next phase of this conversation.

Much appreciated.

All right. One more question. So, the Bolton Avenue connect connection is now done. You're saying through to Hicks Road.

Yes, sir.

The other problem still Hicks Road South is not connected from there. Maybe I need an arrow.

It can get to you can make the connection next row, but if it doesn't go to the south, you still got an issue because they still got to go to Little Road.

Absolutely noted. So, we we were we were able to obligate we were able to obligate the construction out to Hicks Road. Um, which I think is proportional to to the development's impacts to the infrastructure as well as the signal signalization of Denton Avenue. Um, But that that is as far as as staff was able to to go as far as off-site improvements whenever you also throw in the off-site pedestrian improvements to the north. All right. So I'll let the board know. We actually try to work that this the property right beside we're trying to Hudson Industrial Park and in the Hud Hudson Industrial Park where it ends is right at that point where they could we could have worked with them to go forward. So had we worked together, we could have used some other applications, maybe through federal government even to get some funding for this road or the state to make this connection down through. But since they've separated out

the goes away to the east of this of the purple.

Yeah. Can we get a big map for map pages?

This is crazy. So the Hicks road project has been vision road for probably 15 years now. It's on the map. We actually had a development commit, not development but a paving assessment done from Bolton Avenue going to the north of Denton. That southern connection was a very key piece. These guys have budded it. They've got industrial lands right beside it. Would have worked real good the industrial park and again provided that opportunity to go get that road funded, but they walked away from it. They want to go separate. They thought they were better off going separate. And we fought for the longest time both the Bolton Avenue and um uh Bolton in the Kitten Trail connection to work. Had they worked with us, we could have possibly had this done by now. But now literally it's great to get this improvement, but it's still to a spot that doesn't go anywhere. If it connect itself, we'd have something really good to work with.

So if you see the big the yellow dot that's on the side, that's the project we're looking at. This is the county's spray fields to the side. Then down to the south. I can put the marker on that. So go if you would go up to the top of Bolton Avenue. Okay. So where that that is there, that's one of the parcels. The parcel then right to the side to the west. Those two parcels together is this industrial park's going to be. Hicks Road is right beside it in where the pink is. William was the was the factor was the limiting factor the amount of mobility fees the project was generating

the sure that that's a portion of it too whenever you talk about the cost of cost of signalization um the ultimate construction of

well I'm asking because you're they're getting credits for the cost

correct

so so was the limiting factor the amount of mobility ility fees being generated by this project. They wouldn't be able to absorb the entire cost of going south as well.

I believe that that was the the the applicant's um position. Of course, I don't have an engineered cost estimate, but of that's a part of the the development agreement, but I would assume that that was the case. I'm more than happy to let the applicant speak to to their projected cost as well as their their mobility impacts in relation to that.

Okay. Right. So, taking from the yellow dot going across um from not at the end of the property goes out to Bolton right to the way where Hicks Road is. But then that Hicks Road connection, if they go down there, they go down to Hicks Road down to Kitten Trail, which is a little bit south of where that is. So, let me kind of lift that up a little bit. There you go. If you take it down to Hicks Road, then you'd come down across. You'd go to the top part. See the the school complex at top of the race track and field places there. Yeah. Just a little bit further. Next next road down. Next one down. No. Go the take. It's to the south. So, right. But they're not going to go that way. They're going to go down. Yeah. Bring the orange one down there. So the line you got going across that little line there one street lower. If you if you want good pull that one down the go past that one there and no no no no just just one one more block one more right there. That's where they're going to get to. So that connection right there will then let people go across over that. So we're just put this putting the sidewalk in right now to make it make it safe for everybody. But that intersection is very weak. There's dirt all around it just with the two lanes. Not a breakdown on it. But that's where the connection's got to go. If they don't do that, they're still going down over a little road backing over and then coming in that way. So the Hicks Road is still a key piece. Great. We get progress with Bolton, but you still need Hicks Road.

And like I said, Had they joined with us and stayed with us, we could have been working on both of them together.

I think to to Mr. Goldstein's point, another limiting factor in terms of the obligation of Hicks Road South was the the lack of right away that exists there currently.

And again, the people that own the property would have given all the rightway we needed. We actually could do a land swap with them anyway. They were fully operational. to give us whatever right away we need. Please do not bring that argument up.

That I mean that project

bring that argument up.

Consider it tabled. That project is in review as well. Um the Hudson Industrial, it just came back in and any kind of obligations that we can assign to that developer for building this roadway. Of course, um PD will do so.

I think it's good good time to bring them back together. But that's all the questions I got. Anyone else?

Okay. Thank you.

Thank you.

And the applicant.

If I may just do a little housekeeping, hand a few things to the clerk.

Move to receive file.

Second.

Yeah, you can do that.

I can do that.

Broke dies for you.

District one, commissioner.

District two, Commissioner Weightman.

I'm here.

District three, Commissioner Starky. Hi,

District 4. Commissioner Jagger.

Hi,

District Five. Chairman Mariano.

Hi. Barbara Willilhight, 6327 Graham Boulevard, um, Newport Richie for the applicant. want to run through um presentation that I made for you all

before we start requested additional time. Was that her hinted fine?

Okay.

Been at this since 2021. Our project was very different in 2021 and 2022. Um we were requesting a comprehensive plan amendment from the res 6, res 3, and I which are your land use categories on this property. Again, the county's land use categories on this property, not mine. Nothing I've requested, nothing. The property I requested. Your land uses on this property are res 6, res 3 and I we had requested that to go to plan development. There was a slide in Mr. Vilmillian's slide deck that showed the land use as planned development. I think that's an error um because the the land uses are res six, res 3, and I had an application for 1614 residential units, single family, detached villas, town homes, apartments. We had light industrial daycare and our we had vehicular access to and from kitten. So when you when you stand here and and ask other applicants to cut their density in half, we did it. We're asking 832 units today. So when you see the all the emails in your record from 2022, we read every one of those and we came back with a new project is what you have today. We're following your land uses on the property to a T. Res six, res 3 and IIL. Our res six density is we don't blend any density. In the res three portions, we stay under three units per acre. In the res six portions, we're at 3.01. So again, you didn't have to ask us to do it. We did it. We the land use allows 1462 homes. the land your land use on this property. We're requesting 832. We have not blended density that your code allows. We have single family 800 800 single 32 single family homes with 60 and 70 foot lots around the perimeters. No 40s, no apartments, no towns. Denton Place has 40s apartments and towns. All the things that you have approved for a project just north of here and a res three land use this project did not request is not requesting. We had four voluntary neighborhood meetings. Three of them were in a in sequential and then we stopped between 86 and 122 because we actually did things that the uh neighbors asked us about. They asked us about drainage. We stopped and did a master grading plan. The property owner hired, which nobody does at resoning, to actually do the mass grading so if any questions regarding flooding came up, they could answer them. And they answered them during those meetings. We came back on 1212. Our engineer presented the results of his actual grading drainage plan that he did for this property during resoning. Another thing that we did was the detail that you see on that binding landscape plan that staff went over that was done between the third and the fourth final neighborhood meeting. The neighbor said we want to see different type of vegetation. We want to see not what your cookie cutter compl uh code requires in suburban county. Um let's see something different native pallet. A lot of

attention to detail was done on that landscape plan between the third and fourth uh meetings and we presented that binding landscape plan. We not only did at the neighborhood meeting agreed to single story along the perimeter singlestory houses. A lot of my clients been asked to do that. They usually say we you know don't want to single family to single family but they did did agree to that. the neighbors next to the the parcel that we own, the client owns to Kitten Road said, "Could you please make that a passive park? Please don't please make it stay natural. Please make sure it doesn't have any active recreation." So, we did all those things. We made all those changes, made all those commitments, document all those commitments. The neighbors requested no vicular access to um Kitten Trail, including no emergency access. We made we made that change and asked for that variation of the neighbor's request. We put the 70 foot lots along the kitten trail adjacencies um as a result in between those neighborhood meetings and again the single story. So those were the things we did in between our third and fourth neighborhood meeting. Again this is the detail passive park all the existing vegetation stays. We put the 10-ft trail meander it through there. Our binding landscape plan. Lots of detail on here. What's what's interesting if you look at this chart and let me open to my page so I can actually see it is the care that went into what we did for a of the landscape buffer. So what's required is 10 feet. That's what your code requires um in between these types of lots. The adjacencies we're doing 20 feet and then 40 feet down to Kitten Trail. No fences required by your code. We're doing a six foot opaque opaque fence. Your canopy trees are one per 60. We're doubling that one per 30. Your code doesn't care about ornamental. We do. We put ornamental trees in. Your code doesn't ask for palms. We do. We put palms in. Your code asks for a single row of shrubs. We care. We doubled it. Our mature height shrub height is six feet. Your code only requires three. Code doesn't require any accident shrubs. We do. We put 15 per canopy tree. A lot of care went into that buffer plan and the pallet that was picked out for that um that I know that you have seen before.

Can I Barbara, can I ask you a quick question on trees? Are you uh putting in a um a tree by the front of the house to shade the for the sidewalks?

I will grab the conditions and make sure I answer that question after public comment. I'll make sure I check it so I can answer your question, but I will check. I think the answer is yes, but let me make sure I look at the conditions. Um, after neighborhood meeting, we worked with staff on a binding concept plan. We increased the buffer on kitten trail lots to 40 feet. We did a prohibition on data centers even before you all started talking about it. Um, so forever, not just a moratorum, it's forever. No, no data centers within our industrial um land use. A lot of work on the community connectivity. We did the enhanced bike crossing across Denton and actually I have a slide on this so I'm going to defer that to go through this a little more detail. So looking at in context and what Commissioner Weightman said this is a balance. We have land use that allows 1432 units. We've tried to balance and I think we've achieved a very good balance between our property rights and the community that we that we exist within. Countyy's doing 1.74 mile sidewalk on Kitten. We said, "Okay, we're going to do an enhanced pedestrian crossing to get between that sidewalk and our project." Um, coming up through our project, we're going to do a 10-ft multi-use path all the way up through our project, actually on both sides of our our spine road from Kitten to Denton. Then when we get up to Denton, another enhanced bike crossing, bike ped crossing. And then you've heard um Mr. Bionillion describe what we're doing off site to make sure that we can get our not only our residents, our kids, they're going to live in this community up to the park without having to walk in the sand and the dirt. But remember, because of the connectivity here, everybody on Kitten that now knows has no way to walk or bike to Arthur Angle Park on the north side of this project can now come up through our project on a 10-ft path, cross safely across Kitten, cross Denton, and then get to the park on a 10-ft trail. Right now, the Summerchase subdivision to the east on the north side, the east the very east of your of your Arthur Angle Park, they their sidewalk ends at their property line and those kids get to walk through the dirt to your to your park. We're going to hook into their existing sidewalk. So, a lot of thought went into the connectivity um both on site and off-site. Mr. Vmillion went through this slide about the the on the north side of Denton, the the trail we're putting in. You have heard about Bolton. We were requested by the county to construct um do a development agreement with them to construct Bolton to Hicks and we said okay and we've added that to the conditions. The project does pay mobility fees. We're going to generate about 11.4 million. The commercial will also pay mobility fees. Debt in place which you've approved with you earmarked their NPUs for improvements in this area going to generate at least 7.5 million. So, it's $19 million for improvements

that you can make. If you if you want to earmark these mobility fees like you did for dent in place, that's something that you could do to make sure they're used here. That's up to you all. Um, what I I know

Barbara, can I stop? So,

do you know what the estimated cost is?

I probably have one that the county engineer put together. He may know himself, but he's here. He's back there. Yeah. Yes. He probably has an estimate that he can answer your question, but I probably could find an email from him with an estimate for Bolton, an estimate for Hicks. Been at this for five years, so I think I've looked at every issue um at least three times. So,

well, I guess I'm trying to figure out is is it possible for you all to do Hicks or is that

beyond the scope of what

we have done everything for this project. um tell you Hicks Road is in your county. You should ask your county engineer what his opinion is on Hicks Road and spending money on that. He thinks that at one point don't know speak for himself that Little Road has capacity. I know Commissioner Mariano disagrees with with him. I don't know what his position is on Hicks Road. Um we weren't asked by staff to consider doing Hicks Road. We were asked to do Bolton and u from uh to Hicks Road and that's what we agreed to do um through a development agreement. We have I'm the district commissioner, chairman, we're not going to agree on everything and we know that. Um, so but have we done everything reasonable and then more than reasonable with regard to this project? Yes. But what I'd like to do is I know you had spec each of you had specific comments and and Commissioner Jger had a couple comments. One about going from 20 to 40 which the client is talking about with his engineer. Your question about what was the other question? I need to look up trees. Oh, the trees by the road. Yeah.

Right. So, I need to look that up. What I'd like to do is listen to public comment and then come back and address the comments that the commissioner made as well as commissioner Jagger chairman made and and

kind of do it.

So, your position is that the bolton adds capacity helps Denton because it gets you out so little basically. So our project our pro our traffic study is based upon all of our access to Denton and our two functional access to Denton that meet the code and it our Denton and all the segments and the intersections of Denton meet your level of service meet your code. There are no failures. It meets your code requirements. So we don't need Bolton. Bolton was a request by county staff to do an off-site infra infrastructure for the county. That's what it was. And we said, "Okay, but our project is based upon our accesses to Denton that meet the code, our traffic analysis that meets the code. That's what our project is based upon."

I understand. But I guess the the the question is, does Bolton help the system? Is what you're building help the system?

It's my understanding that that's why the county asked us to do it. Yes. because they're adding Bolton as a vision road with their 2050 comp plan update.

The question is, does building Bolton help the system if Hicks is not built is the question.

Okay, ask you should ask your county engineer, please.

Yes, it does.

So,

because still is another way to get to Little Road,

right? Because little

it's not in great shape, but it gets you to a little road. So, it does definitely improve the system. And to be clear, and I hope you can maybe when you take your break, find out because I have asked you to get Hicks Road. So, it's not like you didn't even know that existed even with the other client that you had. We've talked about it. So, I'm sure we get some numbers we can take a look at. So, I think what he's asking you for is what's the cost of the impact fees from the cost of doing Bolton for the offsite improvements for the impact fees. What's that number?

I have the number.

And then if you and if you have the number, I hope you do. I do.

From Hicks Road to the south.

I do. I have the numbers from your county.

And then if we can look at those two, we might be able to look at how we can get those improvements done.

Thank you.

I do have the numbers, so I'll pull them. All right. Thank you.

Okay. No, any other questions for staff at this point?

I don't want you public comment.

What's that?

I don't want you to yell at me.

All right. Time for public comment.

Okay. We have nine citizens signed up. So, I'm going to call three at a time to come up to the podium. Lisa Picarius, Renee Haynes, and Nolo Lairlair. Good afternoon, commissioners. My name is Lisa Picaris. I live I live at 10810 Kitten Trail in Hudson, Florida. which puts me right in the backyard of this proposed development. I won't stand here and repeat everything that has already been said. This community has made its concerns clear from traffic patterns and safety to the wildlife habitat and preserving the rural character of Hudson and Pasco County. Which means that for the citizens of Pasco County, including those in this room today, the responsibility now rests squarely in your hands. You have the choice and the authority to decide what happens to our community with this project. Like many here, I have watched the natural beauty of Florida disappear at an alarming rate. through the destruction of irreplaceable landscapes. By approving this project as proposed along with the continued development throughout Pasco County, you risk selling a diamond for the price of a piece of glass. Please exercise your authority to protect our rural communities, our wildlife, and the character of this area. I respectfully asked you to vote against this resoning. Thank you very much for your time and your consideration.

Thank you,

Renee Haynes.

Good afternoon. I moved here about 25 years ago from

an address. Oh, Renee Haynes, 13211 Miami Street, Hudson.

And you've been sworn

and I have been sworn. I moved here about 25 years ago from what I call the concrete city or Deneden Clearwater. And I moved into Hudson, beautiful 5 acre lot on um Nottingham off of Hudson Avenue. We had been there maybe two years. a um company came in and wanted to put um houses on between Nottingham and Family Trail. One of our neighbors who was actually um an um environmental engineer came to the county um with us to fight the them building the houses. She said because of the water um the water table because we were all on wells. Now, that was 20 years ago. Now, that project in 2008, obviously with the um the crash, those houses never got built. Now, you look at Hudson Avenue, which number one breaks my heart because all the construction that has been going on now on Denton. My question is because I don't live right there, but I do live on a property with a well and I know a lot of people in on Hicks that are all on have wells with all this all these properties being built. I understand that you have the utilities for or and you can build the utility to do um the subdivisions, but again, you're still affecting the will the wells of this area. Not to mention obviously the the animals and the land itself. I would hope that you would actually think about this. We are actually killing our land. And for one small piece of Pasco that's left because Dade City is ruined, Wesley Chapel's ruined, Trinity is ruined by all this concrete. If we can have one small section that still exists to nature. Thank you.

All righty. Next up is Lola Nola. After that is Ken Howard, Tracy Lowe, and Sarah Gonzalez. Good afternoon. My name is Nola. I live at and I've been sworn in. I live at 15700 Mattis Road. My husband and I built our home in 10 acre farm in 2002. Mattis Road goes halfway along the east side of the proposed Denton Avenue project. Mattis Road is a private road that is owned by the property owners. It is a portion of our front yards that we pay property tax on. It is not a county road to be considered as a through fair now or in the future to attach to Bolton Avenue. We were informed by the county in the past that with the property owners agreement, we could gate off our road for a gated community. We may wish to do that in the future. My husband and I currently breed foundation quarter horses. We have a large barn, 14 stalls, and grow hay. Mattis Road is a rural dirt road that is used by the property owners and their guests for riding horses. The proposed Denton Avenue project lots directly back up to our front yards. The Denton Avenue project plans do not have a security buffer uh privacy sense and a decentsized planning area on our private road as they should have also planned on Denton Avenue and Kitten Trail to separate the unlike properties in this area. They only pride a small buffer planning. Their small, tightly packed yards will be backing up to our front yards and our private rural horseback riding country dirt road. If for some reason there is a loophole that the county has to let the builder build with these incompatible small lots, the commissioners must be informed that the Denton Avenue project with it small lots are totally incompatible and must be informed that the Deftton Avenue project with its small lots are totally incompatible and will be encroaching on a wellestablished 10acre agricultural neighborhood and private Mattis road horse trail. The intrusion is against the county regulants for construction of unlike properties due to the complete incompatibility of Denton Avenue project with private Mattis Road and the 10acre agricultural properties. The minimum of a full buffer private security wall or fence and a gen generous buffer planting should be mandatory for Mattis Road. It should be mandatory to protect the integrity and value of our 10acre properties. Thank you,

Ken Howard. After that, Tracy Low and Sarah Gonzalez. Let's talk about road safety. Denton Avenue traffic fatality.

State your name and address, please.

What?

Your name and address?

Ken Howard. Address is 11117 Kitten Trail.

Have you been sworn?

Yes.

Thank you.

Didn't have any traffic fatalities since 2019. Kitten Trail has had nine fatalities from Hicks Road to Coyote Road. Long-term residents say there is more. Backup of traffic is most likely to occur on Denton Avenue with an addition of 1,200 plus cars daily. The overflow will definitely come onto Kitten Trail, an already two-lane rural busy road with school traffic. Of the nine fatalities on Kitten Trail, let's not forget the school bus accident where there was students with injuries in 2019. As discussed to open Bolton Avenue for overflow, this will take most likely years from now. Traffic will be a mess and it'll all be a small relief to congested nightmare. We are looking at a gesture of putting in a crosswalk to to propose sidewalks. Some white white paint on the road with flashing light is not going to make anyone any safer. Denton Avenue project the west. The west is 874 yards of Pasco land and 11 residential acres. South is 14 residential acres. East is 10 residential acres plus undeveloped land of 39 acres. The difference is 35 residential properties of 2.5 acres and up affected as in comparison to other developments with five to 20 surrounding residents all various acres unlike summerchase of 12 blackwell of 20 family trail five palm winds of 16 Denton place sage brush of 17 the shackleton of nine residential acres the comparison of busers buffers with these properties is a long shot from what trail kitten trail properties have to offer. The planning commissioner who suggested oneacre tracks for Denton Avenue project has seen the value of the homes affected by the project with overdevelopment and housing with small 70 foot wide lots. I'm losing my spot. Abuted abued to acorage and his woods his words estate style properties and had offered to the developers to meet with residents to solve the opposition and possibly meet in the middle. He was ignored totally and after came back with an additional 20ft buffer. Same as before, just 20 feet of all they did and after it came back was show total disrespect to the commissioner in Pasco County. When questioned why they can't go to larger perhaps one acre tracks, the response is it is too hard to sell an acre. These words, his words, not mine. They can make larger lots just don't have the respect for residents to do it. In addition to planning commission commissioner meetings, commissioners were warned if they don't settle here in the meetings, we will settle it in the courts.

You had to close your comments, sir.

Sir,

you three minutes are up. You have to close your comments.

I'm sorry.

You have to you have to close your comments. Three minutes are up.

Right.

Can't close your comments.

Your time is up, sir. It's all done. You get three minutes to speak. Your time is up, so just wrap up your comments if you would, please.

One little thing.

Okay.

My opinion is they have no respect for Pasco County, for its residents, the land, officials who serve our county by threatening to take them to the courts. If they don't get what they want, if it comes to this, I say so be it. I am ready, willing, and able to help any attorneys.

Thank you, sir.

Tracy Low. My name is Tracy Low. I reside at 10408 Kitten Trail and I have been sworn in. Good afternoon, commissioners. Our community, our very special community, its existing infrastructure is already failing. It's not designed to accommodate the density and the traffic this development would bring. I asked the commissioners to consider four important facts or pardon me, three important facts. First, the drone footage I emailed to you yesterday and previously provided to you September 19th on 2022 showing the dangerous congestion that already occurs at the entrances and exits of our three schools on Kitten Trail. Second, please remember the tragic death of Miles Farago, a 15-year-old student who was struck and killed while riding his bike on Kitten Trail to school. This is not a hypothetical safety concern. This the danger is real and we have already experienced devastating consequences. Thirdly, the 2021 timing and phasing analysis that was not included in the most updated plan for this project. It identified roadway failure at Hicks Road and Kitten Trail with only a 2% population growth. 2% population growth. This is extremely concerning given that we in Pasco County are experiencing a much higher growth than that. The county has recognized these concerns by installing street lights, school zones, sidewalks. We appreciate those improvements, but they do not address the fundamental issue, the additional volume the traffic in this development would create. I would also like the commission to consider compatibility. There are 31 rural properties, 31 that are directly adjacent to this property in this development, ranging from one to 40 acres, and it's within a community of hundreds of large multi-acre rural properties. Most importantly, land code section 522.2b 2B states that residential lots must be arranged in a context sensitive matter to preserve the integrity of the rural community through buffering setbacks or a combination thereof protecting the rural appearance from public roads and abuing properties. So I ask you, how does placing four to six homes per acre with a 20 to 40 foot buffer that will take years years to mature directly next to a multi-acre rural property preserve the integrity and character of that rural community? How is that compatible? It simply does not and is not. This is not about opposing growth. It's about responsible growth, public safety, and compatibility with the community that already exists. We respectfully ask this commission to prohibit this development onto Kitten, prohibit all vehicular access on to Kitten Trail and also require adequate buffering and lot sizes on the peripheral to protect the integrity of our rural community. Thank you for your time and consideration. Thank

Sarah Gonzalez. Then after that, Susan Bolton, Sherry Howard, and Rebecca Theft.

My name is Sarah Gonzalez. I'm been sworn in. I live at 16677 Albright Road, Spring Hill, and I'm here um because the infrastructure is not supporting this. Okay, we have all those homes going on the north side of Denton at Denton and Hicks. Okay, all that traffic is going to flow out. Now they're speaking about this lawyer over here, how they're going to do up Bolton up to Hicks, but they don't want to bring Hicks in. Well, what happens from that last division of Hicks to Little Road? Have you ever driven down just that one block? It's big potholes. So there, they're going to come up to Hicks with Bolton. Okay. But they're not going to do anything else. Another thing is is there's no infrastructure for this. There's a lot of us that are on wells as these people that are backed right up to this community have to worry about. I'm a little further away. However, again, all these places on Denton Road on the north side, they got county water coming to them. Denton Road is completely county water. They have it all in there. Kitten Trail, none. Okay. None. So, that 14.5 that lady's fighting to get just it split. There's 300 you guys are fighting for right now. Denton and Kitten combined. Now, understanding that the north side is also combined with this. So, the lawyers or the builders can sue all they want and have all the money to support that. However, all these beautiful sidewalks are great. I have a friend that got hit on Kitten Trail. I mean, excuse me, Denton. Middle of the night, dark as heck. Since I've lived there for nine years, some other kids got killed out there. They hit that divider, ended up in that field, dead. Okay. So, the support of these roadways is not going to happen. You got two lane roadways. They think the improvement of that east east uh road corner right there. It's a mess right now. Okay. Adding that turn lane in may help, but it's not going to resolve it. It is not going to resolve it. My friend got hit in the middle of the night so bad that the guy did not even know he hit her. He hit her again. Thought it was a deer. Okay. So, we're going to feed in this community you guys want to put there. And plus, you want to put construction commercial in there. Okay. Okay. So, what are we going to look like down at Hudson and uh Hayes Road and have these big rigs or commercial buildings that are going to be in there as well as another 800 and something homes in there? Again, you guys are going to bring that county water in, but what's going to support the rest of our wells that are going to get affected? I'm a little further out than them, but again, it's all I'm up in Shady Hills. We're getting hammered. Again, they stated, "We're the last little rule area of Pasco. Why can you guys not try to protect some of our area? We need our land. We need the aquifers that can replenish. We need the wildlife. We need to be able to farm our own food. Pretty soon, we're not going to have any land to be able to provide ourselves. It's data scene solar um you know development houses uh

commercial commercial cement cement cement cement just brings heat it doesn't help to anything. So I'm asking the commissioners to reook at this and I know I'm up but I am asking you to reconsider the development going here. I understand that the builders are very prominent with their lawsuits and their funds and their money that back them. However, this is our last little rural area. They're not bringing any proposal to widen the roads

more than two lanes. Yeah, they're going to develop part of Bolton.

Damn, it's three minutes. We got to stop.

Thank you. But I'm asking you to reconsider it.

Susan Bolton and then Sherry Howard. My name is Susan Bolton. I live at 10923 Kitten Trail. I have a few concerns.

Have you been sworn?

Yes, I was. Thank you.

Um, first of all, in 96, my husband and I bought this between three and four acre. And nine years later, we put a new home in and we had to remove the old residents before we would be able to get the um CO because of the fact that at that time you had to have at least two acres per resident and we would have only had um less than another acre in order to have the second home there. Um, the traffic is absolutely unbelievable there. I have had many times where I was getting ready to turn left into my driveway and there were cars went around me and went between my mailbox and my fence. Um, right where my property is is I'm very low. We've had 11 inches of rain in the last week and yesterday I still had standing water from the 11 in of rain. What's going to happen when that's all cemented in up there and I'm in a low place? You know, will the water go away? Um, uh, other than that, all I can say is there's just too much traffic. I work for the schools, so I know how much traffic goes in and out of there as far as transportation goes. Thank you for listening to our complaints today. Please consider keeping us rural. Thank you.

Next is Sherry Howard and then is Rebecca Teft.

My name is Sherry Howard. I live at 1117 Kitten Trail and I was sworn in. So Tracy just spoke about um zoning st section 522.2. I don't know if I need to read this to you. I believe I can just skip to the most important. Um, in addition, the comprehensive plan, the location of residential development lots shall be arranged in a contextsensitive manner, such as they preserve the integrity of the rural community by buffering setbacks or a combination thereof to protect and preserve the rural appearance of land when viewed from public roads and abudding properties. I'm in a budding property. Current site plan sets a 40 foot buffer on properties on Kitten Trail and a 20ft buffer for Mattis and Dennis and a private road off of Kitten Trail. Trail uh Kitten Trail properties range from 2 and 12 to 18 acres. Dennis is nearly an acre to 4 acres and Mattis farm are 10 acres. Private roads off of Kitten is 3.9 to 30 acres. Personally, we have 2 and a half nearly 2 and a half acres where we have 185 ft that abuts the developer property. With the current site plan, we would have two and a half houses across the back of our property. Now, even with a 40ft buffer and a bright white plastic fence and all of the shrubbery they're talking about putting in, which will reach maturity at like 15 years, um, I still get two and a half houses in my backyard. I ask, how does this preserve our rural community? I believe a 40ft buffer and minimum of 1acre lots around the perimeter would better help preserve this rural community. Thank you for your consideration.

Rebecca Teft.

Hello. I I've been sworn Rebecca Teft 6155 Missouri Avenue. Um, as I hear these people talk about being directly related, my heart goes out to them. I am here to talk about the letter um from the water resource association dated April 21st, 2021. Can you guys have that while I speak? This is about the environmental protection and what they're going to do with all the wildlife that they will destroy. what they're going to do with the gopher tortoise, the indigo snake, the kestrol, the bald eagle, the sandill crane. It is rich in in threatened, protected, and endangered species there. The it and it talks about with the federal the Florida Wildlife Commission has all these regulations on how you move a tortoise and how you have to build its home and where you put it. then someone has to watch it for two years to make sure it survives. Now, I don't see anything if there was an update that says who's going to do that and otherwise they can pay half a million dollars and destroy destroy animals that some some are critically endangered. You know, they're not only threatened and then the more that we develop the more threatened they will become. And this is part of why we love Florida. You know, this is part these are jewels and treasures. You know, they're also magnolia, the southern magnolia, the live oak tree. And I don't see anything where they said how big they are, which ones they're going to leave, which ones they're going to destroy. Did they do this grading after this report? If they did, they've already destroyed a number of gopher tortoise burrow. So, I don't see an update. If there is one, I just would like you to take a look at that. I would like us in the future to consider, you know, you could go into a an area and and build around existing trees. you you can do that without just like tearing everything down and actually have it pretty from the start instead of having to wait 30 years for it to be attractive again. So that's all I got to say. Thank you very much. Good luck.

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Hi, my name is Ann. I live at 11439 Kitten Trail. I have been sworn in. I'm one of the many property owners directly affected by the decision you'll make today. Please consider the following. In addition to the 522.2 that was spoken about earlier, I also wanted to add in add in the land code 522.4 Four says, "Land uses near the periphery of the IMPUD, the ECMPud, or the commercial IMPUD shall be planned so as to be compatible with neighboring areas. Compatibility may be achieved through design that respects the context of the adjacent uses. These are statements that are supposed to be protecting the surrounding properties with an appropriate transition when blending densities. The Denton Avenue project continues to ignore the lot sizing aspect of appropriate transition. They are only providing a buffer zone that does not provide 100% opacity until the trees are mature, which takes years and years. That's if they survive. The Denton Avenue project needs to be made to provide an appropriate transition that includes lot sizes that blend with the existing lot sizes around the perimeter. The general standards of compatibility of use guidelines state this clearly. The definition of compatibility per the Oxford languages is a state in which two things are able to exist or occur together without problems or conflict. We are not there yet. We can only get there with a no vote by you and you demanding the developer to redesign the peripheral lot sizes to meet the goals of preserving the integrity of the rural community and to be compatible with design that respects the context of the adjacent uses. We have asked this of the developer from the beginning at each neighborhood meeting and over and over at the planning and zoning meetings. Still, there are no changes. I've been a real estate agent for more than 25 years. There are plenty of buyers looking for homes with land. There are builders that will purchase lots bigger than 70 by 120. The Denton Avenue project has options to fulfill their profit needs. So, I'm asking you to vote no on the plan presented today. Please demand the developer to go back and make the lot sizes at least an acre each on the perimeter. This would be an appropriate transition. The decision you make today is a a decision that affects all of us daily forever. Thank you.

Good afternoon. Skyler Tally. I reside at 10929 Kitten Trail. My property's uh

Have you been sworn? Uh

I have not been sworn.

Okay. Raise your right hand for me, please. I can do that.

Do you swear or affirm the testimony you are about to give is the truth? So help you, God.

Absolutely. My property's adjacent on the uh south western I haven't gotten a lot of sleep. Southwestern corner over there. I got two and a half acres. Um you know, I've been doing off these meetings. I understand the property owner's rights to develop are really important to commission to the county and to me. I think I want to be able to develop my property the way I want to as well. Uh we talk a lot about the preserving the rural community and uh transition. I mean, nobody can look at two and a half acres as an average ordering this property and think that putting three houses per acre is a transition. That it just doesn't doesn't mesh. It doesn't make sense. And I know the development is going to happen. But I also don't think it's unreasonable to ask for an easier transition for all the existing community that has large lots that has this rural lifestyle and then inside the community they can put the small lots because the people who are moving in already know what they're dealing with. They already know what they're coming into. They already have to deal with that. But then we have a transition from rural community into this massive development that is going to probably quadruplicate the amount of community members in a small area. That's it's a lot. Uh beyond that, there's been a lot of talk about the infrastructure. I mean the infrastructure on let's just talk about Denton. Forget about Bolton. Bolton's Bolton's a mess. Bolton trying to connect Hicks. Bolton can go across and go back to the dirt road. And that dirt road is not good. It's nowhere that I would want to drive down every day. But if Hicks isn't going to connect, even if it does, we going to go Hicks to Bolton. Denton is terrible. Denton is an unsafe road. There's not enough planning and development in that area to support a community this size yet. And I'm not saying there won't be, but to try and put something in of this scale without that kind of planning done by the county, down by the city, planning done by the people who have to think about the safety of the community. It just doesn't work. And I ask that these things be considered. And that's about all I can really ask of you guys, but thank you so much for your time and listen to what I have to say.

Thank See one more speaker coming up. Does anyone else please get behind the speaker and we're going to go close public comment or go to online? No one online.

There's no one online.

Okay. So if there's no one else after this gentleman want to close public comment.

Good afternoon. Tim Low 10408 uh Kitten Trail Commission. Chairman, thank you for the opportunity to speak today.

Swarm?

Yes, ma'am. I have been sworn.

Thank you.

Uh two concerns I'd like to bring up. Traffic and compatibility. I know we've spoke about both of these at length. The traffic um we believe is real. I've lived off Kitten Trail for 26 years now and it's grown year after year. It's going to continue to grow. Uh my big concern is the traffic study that was done four years ago was out of date and did not take in consideration the um dent in place project or other large projects that have been either approved or completed since then. I would like to ask the uh board to request a updated traffic study so we can have a more realistic view of of what can be handled by the infrastructure in that area. um compatibility. I think if we look at the context map over here, the big red square speaks for itself. Um anybody can look at that and realize how incompatible that is with our rural area. All of the properties surrounding it and in that general area of that aerial are one to 40 acres, let's say. So not I don't believe there's a buffer large enough that's going to create a applicable um transition from a 40 foot 50 foot 70 foot lot to a multi-acre property some of the surrounding properties whether they be 2 acres all the way up to 30 acres um to give you some context I guess of the density that uh is before you today If you own a 5 acre parcel on the perimeter, you could fit 37 of these proposed lots on your 5 acre parcel. If you had a 10acre parcel, you could just double that number. It's it's easy math. Um not not compatible in the least. So, we would like to ask the board um to request a better transition between this project and the surrounding area just like the planning commission attempted to do. The planning commission spoke that they would not approve this project with the lot sizes as proposed and requested the applicant to come back with 1acre uh perimeter lots. The applicant came back did not change the size of the lots and it was recommended for approval in fear of a lawsuit. So we just we want the board to listen to the residents. Let's let's try to get a better buffer at least some larger lots and ensure that the infrastructure is in place to receive the traffic. Thank you for your time.

All right, that shall close public comment. I'll bring the applicant back up.

Thank you, commissioners. Barbara Wilhight, 6327 Graham Boulevard. Commissioner Joerger. So, condition 15 reads, "Each single family detached lot shall have a minimum of two shade trees, one of which has to be in the front yard and can be either a street tree or a lot tree." So, we have to have at least one shade tree in our front yard. We can either do it in the street or in our lot.

Okay.

And then we have to have a second shade tree as well, which we can have on the side or the back.

Okay. Great question. Um to answer this gentleman's um question, has there been an updated traffic study?

Yes. I'm not sure why they're referring to the 2021 traffic study. We did update it. Mike Razer can go over that with you and we'll bring him up. Um we updated it when we changed because we had a different project in 2021. We had access to kitten. We took the access away from kitten. We had different um number of units. We had 1632 versus 832. So yes, we did an updated traffic study. Um, it's in the record. It's in it's in the uh agenda documents that the staff provided.

So, but that's the tree answer. Um,

what year is the study done then?

2025. Yeah, 2025. I think it's December 2025. Yeah, I just looked at the other yesterday.

Uh, Miss Watt, follow up on the traffic study. So current today, the current land use today allows 1,462 homes to be built

today without us coming back in. And

that's the land use, correct? You know, obviously that's the land use. So you have to zone, correct?

Zoning land use, but yes, that's what

based on the land use value of this property, 1462 homes can be built. You all are proposing 832 homes to be built, 630 less than what your future land use recommends. So, is your traffic study going to be based upon the 1462 units based on your existing land use today or is it based upon the 832 units that our traffic study today is based upon the 832 units plus the industrial and commercial. Okay. Okay.

So, I can I can go through. You've heard quite a few comments over and over and over. You heard about rural rural rural. There are four, you know, there are four rural areas in this county. The board of county commissioners, including you, uh, Chairman Mariano, specifically put, uh, policies into the comprehensive plan in 2006 to define the rural areas and give special protections. The reason why this property was not included in the property surrounding it because since 1989 there was res three land uses which are not rural. All of our surrounding properties have res three land uses. We have res six and res three um land uses. So it's absolutely not a rural area. We have res six land use. Your land use that you put on the property. the um Mattis Road. I I've heard the neighbor I haven't heard that neighbors speak before in our meetings, but um Mattis Road is a county road pursuant to their records as a county maintained road pursuant to their records. But I did listen and one of the things that property owner asked for was a full fence and buffer plan. We did that. the um we did that in between our third and fourth meeting is what we did because we listened to those same comments. The 22 drone frontage footage, I'm familiar with that that um footage taken on Friday, August 12th, 2022. Uh the first day of school that year was August 10 uh 10th, 2022. So it was the second day of school that year. We saw that. We heard all the comments in 2022. read the hundred pages of comments regarding our project and what we proposed at that time including access to kitten road kitten trail. Um what's interesting is what we did after 2022 and listening to that comment we went to the school board and we said tell us if our kids will be bust and and on February 24th 2023 Christopher Williams responded the kids from this school this project will be busted. So we didn't ignore that comment. We didn't ignore that DR drone footage. We confirmed that our children will be bust. You heard a lot of testimony about compatibility. Well, I wouldn't call it testimony comment about compatibility and blending of densities. Commissioner Oakley. Oh, did you I didn't want to keep talking when you wanted to talk. Sorry.

Well, your talking is fine. But the fact of it is, the entire time you've been presenting this for your clients, every time they were asked to do something, they've actually done it. They've come back and made the changes time and time again, and you've got a beautiful project. But we keep going on about it. But it's the fact of it is they have met exactly what they've been asked for by the community around them to do and they've been doing it every time.

Thank you. I I'm personally invested in that for all these years um and and proud to present this to you because of the work that we have done. Um you heard about 522.2b 2B um of the code that is a code provision that deals with blending of densities. As I tried to explain, I'm surprised it's still being cited to you. We are not blending densities under the code under the comp plan or the code. We took our res three and said this is our maximum density of three units per acre and we came in under that density for the res 3 area. We took our six and our maximum allowed at six and we came in under that density. We are not blending densities. I know people like to cherrypick language out of your code in your comp plan. It happens all the time. Um but you actually have to read the code with regard to um compatibility. We after planning commission the first planning commission hearing which I continued because I wanted I listened to the commentary and listened to concerns. We went in and did a consistency analysis. We took all of your projects in the area that the board had approved and saw what the compatibility was. What's the what's the lot size next door? What's the lot sizes being propo that were approved? What's the buffers? and we went project by project in this area and showed that we are absolutely meeting and exceeding any compatibility requirement and and approval that you've done in this area before. Um we have So that's what the difference was with planning commission. I wasn't I didn't threaten a lawsuit. Never I don't think you've ever seen me threaten a lawsuit in my life. Um been working with the county for 31 years. Never threatened a lawsuit. So that wasn't it. We went through and showed what compatibility means under your code, under your comp plan, and with regard to your approvals. Um, I can show you what compatibility means. Summerchase has 60 foot lots up to our northeast. Um, they have LDC compliant buffers and they're compatible with 12.92 acres, 6.51 acres. I mean, I could go on and on and on about compatibility. I feel very strongly that we've we could have we could have looked at these examples and said this is what compatibility means but we exceeded it. We could have looked at debt in place on the north side which was approved by this board and said that's 40 foot lots next to five acre lots with a with a minimum landscape buffer and that's compatible. But no, we didn't do that. We exceeded your code requires 10 feet. We did 20 down by kittens. We doubled it already from 10 to 20 and then down along kitten we went to 40. Um, let me just hit a couple more notes and I know I still have your question to answer about buffering commissioner with regard to the trees. I think in the animals we have a listed species survey. We have many conditions of approval regarding um listed species. Those listed species surveys the county only accepts them for um six months and then they have to be redone and they have to be redone at site plan. So plary development plan site plan we'll be

redoing those surveys. We do know what trees we're say be able to save in our buffers because we actually did the grading plan. Most of my clients say, "I don't know if I can save a tree or not. I don't know what my grading's going to be." We did the grading plan. We made the commitment to keep all the existing vegetation within our buffers. A commitment that I' I've never made before and didn't have a client make before. So, um, with that, I could probably go on and on and on with lots and lots and lots of facts and things. I would say on Mattis Drive, Mattis Road, um there are six homes, the ask to um pave an offsite county dirt road um that we have no access to is unreasonable. We have no impact to it. Um, we've agreed to do Bolton and I was con comparing notes with your county engineer and I know he'll come up here and tell you about the cost of these different rows because it's better to hear from him than me. But Bolton is a big commitment by this client. He's actually estimating that commitment to be about 10 million. Again, bring him up here. You can ask him questions. Um, which is right at our our mobility fee generation. So, um, and we have to absorb that as well. So, there's a lot that goes into a a client agreeing to take on the commitment we've already made for Bolton. With regard to Mattis, the county already has has a dusty road um exemption through Swift Mud. The county can pave it. It's a county maintained um road. What's really going on on Mattis Road is what one of the client one of the u neighbors testified at Planning Commission, Miss DC from 15620 Mattis Road. She testified at planning commission. the neighbors want it paved that have a business at the end of the road. So, what's really going on bu on Mattis Road is there's a business at the end of that road. A business that has um Sun Sunshine Farms Markets open to the public Tuesday through Thursday 9 to 6, Saturday 9 to 4. Petting zoo Tuesday to Saturday open 40 students at a at a day school. Summer camps for 10 weeks. Toddler time. Farmstead Festival on October 3rd, 2026. Ticketed to the public, paid vendor spots. That's what's really going on on Mattis Road. So that's what that's really about is that request. I believe I think it's an unreasonable request. I can say that the this business has not gone through per staff because I asked this business has not gone through substandard road review, which would be the proper review for the proper party who's impacting that road. It's not our project. It's not the six homes on that project. It is a business located at the south side of Mattis Road. So, I have taken, as Commissioner Oakley said, I have taken every suggestion seriously and looked at him. But I absolutely feel that trying to to pull Mattis Road into this project and have us pave

a road um that we have no impact on for a business who has not gone through their own proper reviews is not reasonable. So, just wanted to kind of let you know what I thought about Mattis Road.

So,

so go ahead.

No, just um my concern honestly is is all the the traffic and I'm I'm pulling up Kitten Trail and it doesn't look like there's any sidewalks on Kitten Trail.

There will be 1.74 miles. You have a CIP project right now and they're putting a sidewalk in on the south side of Kitten all the way from the east of our project all the way down to Hicks. So, there will be a sidewalk by the time this project comes in online. You'll have that sidewalk. You after the death of the student, um the county

expedited making sure there was a sidewalk on Kitten Trail and they're executing on that promise to that community to get that sidewalk on Kitten Trail

and that is under construction right now. And if I could, I'll just say this to our engineer, please go check it out and make sure it is elevated high enough. I've heard some discussion that maybe it's not quite high enough. So, if you would just make sure we do have enough height out there.

And will the will people also have access to does this connect to Shady Hills Road anywhere?

No.

No. Okay. That's the only thing that concerns me are are the kids and and the traffic. It's

Well, and that's and Commissioner that's why one, there's a sidewalk going in. Two, we're continuing that sidewalk. Right now, kids cannot go from the school to your park. They will be able to go safely from your school to your park through this project and and crossings on Kitten enhanced crossings on Kitten and enhanced crossing on Denton at some point as our non-residential develops staff and and our traffic engineer is anticipating that we'll have a signal at our entrance. Um, so then we'll have a signalized intersection for people to cross Denton, but until then we'll have the enhanced pedestrian crossing. And then we made sure when they get across Denton, they got across Denton, they don't have to walk in the dirt.

And then all three school, all three um, elementary, middle, and high will all be bust.

They'll be bust.

All of them. Okay. So, you're two miles out from the

We are two miles out. Yes. We did that work in relation to the comments made in 2022. And just my last question, is that road in failure right now, the Kitten Trail or not yet?

I don't know. Um, Kitten Trail because we don't have any, we did not analyze Kitten Trail because we don't have any impact on Kitten Trail because we're not accessing Kitten Trail any longer.

Oh, that's right.

So, yes, our access is off of Denton.

Okay.

And there are no failures in our traffic study. And commissioner um as Commissioner Oakley said, we keep agreeing and agree and agreeing. Um but if we are my clients are able to do in the 40 foot buffer all the way around where we have 20 foot buffers. So it'll all be 40.

Oh, great.

How many years ago did we start?

21. Five years ago.

I'll guarantee you the traffic you're thinking about wasn't here in 21, but it has come ever since. and they haven't added anything to it because they haven't even built their project yet.

Yeah. And our traffic study, I mean, I I

traffic's there

and it our traffic study does not have any failures. It meets the code. It we we've studied it. Um we have no failures. The countyy's doing a project at Little and Denton and they're doing the project at Little and East. County is doing the sidewalk. We're doing Bolton. We're doing there's a lot going on here that we're we're adding. Um achieving a balance. took it seriously five years ago. We stopped in 2022 when we heard the community concerns. We stopped we stopped after three community meetings. And we're here today to to ask for your support.

So I'll say as far as like addressing every concern, it's not quite true. And I'll say I'm worried about your residents along Mattis Road. Not the Mattis Road people, but your people are right there. Because when the dirt road gets traffic, dust is going to fly up and over. It's going to hit those homes. Now, it's up to you guys to let the people know, but somehow I think everybody on that border from Mattis Roads needs to be some type of verbiage in there to notice them that they're next to a dirt road. Dust may accumulate.

That's fine. So, I'll give you time to work with staff on that to put a condition in for that where some type of notice becomes as far as what's beside them with the dirt road that they're noticed.

We are happy to do that.

Um, I will say that I wish you would come to me before because that little connection that was by the commercial which I complained about was not going to be sufficient is just about addressed at Bolton and looking at the impact fee numbers from which you mentioned what it takes to build it. So, I gota be right about the on the penny for what it takes because you got to do the sidewalk above that. So, every dollar of the impact fees this project's going to generate is going to get spent right here,

which is a big positive. Um, I do I would like to work with you guys as we go forward with Bolton Avenue Extension because if we can work with you to help you with the base, maybe that helps us get a little bit more road done and maybe we can get some of that Hicks road done started or at least moving forward. So, I think being that you're going to because you're going to construct it, correct? We're going to construct Fulton to Hicks and we have a DA that's going to come proceed hopefully hopefully this will be approved today and then we can work on the DA and work out the specific details of that construction. We can have all those those. So between your sidewalks and your road base, we may have some savings jointly that can go that maybe will get the stretch to get that road done because still literally a lot of people as the gentleman said either we're going to spend money on finishing Bolton out to little road or we can bring it down to Hicks Road which is still going to be a lot better and safer. It would improve the neighborhood dramatically for that. Um, so I'm I'm going to say that the improvements you've made from when you first started dramatically better. Um, I think all the residents made great concerns, but again, the land use that's there into the subsequent improvements that have been done and I think this could actually help, especially for anybody down in the south getting up to the park. It could be a positive. Again, that bolt nav extension is something I want to get with you, Barbara, directly with your other clients to go work on the industrial park to get that funded. I think there's a great opportunity now we didn't have before that I've talked about that could create some jobs maybe like an AM skills program up there for the students at these schools and maybe people in neighborhood to get jobs right there that would help the neighbor neighborhood community dramatically. So, I think there'd be some dramatic improvements, but if we could work together and I can work a condition language, if we could, maybe David can coach me on that

to work with the county to put a base and uh aggregate in for the sidewalks that are going to be done.

I think you can deal with that with the development agreement. When the development agreement comes back, we can work on that language.

Okay.

The development agreement has to come back to you.

Okay. At the same time, you can have the language in for the Metis road.

Yeah. We'll add a

mattis road needs to be condition of the imput because that's a disclosure requirement.

Okay.

But that's something

we we include in your motion.

Yeah,

we'll David and I can do that. We have a disclosure condition that we just add to

we have one 63

the approval of the county attorney.

Yeah, Barbara and I can work on the disclosure language, but there's already a disclosure condition in the MPD. You just got to add some language about

the dust for Mattis Road. I do. I do. I just want to say a couple more things first.

Yeah, I I do want that added.

I'll make that move.

All right. But let me let me have a little discussion first.

Okay.

So, for the citizens, um this has been something that started out to be a lot worse. Um your input has been dramatically affected how this project has come out. You've forced them to work with the land use they've had and work with it and even keeping the industrial which was going to go to residential when they first started has now stayed industrial as well light industrial. So the improvements of not affecting Kitten Trail anymore, having buses taking these kids to come in will minimize the traffic that would have dramatically affected that whole area. Um, so and and again caught me by surprise today because I would have thought you would had that conversation with me frankly and my staff as well as you. That was a big big deal for me as far as getting that done because Hicks Road again the Vision Road sitting there for 10 years plus would have liked to have that but I think we've done the very best we can and I listen to the people that I sit with and I think we've got about the best we can possibly get. It's a good project.

Yeah.

I would also remind the chair that you have a financial commitment I believe from the dent in place MPD and I don't know if that money could be used for road.

It can.

Great point

for the MPD condition. It can obviously it's your opinion that

but yes and there's

I think I had

Yeah, chair. I mean you're talking one section is three homes per acre coming in at 2.5 units per acre which is less and then the res six parcel six units per acre. You're coming in at 3.4 units per acre. Almost half.

Yeah, that's net. Yeah,

it's even lower if you do grow. So this project has certainly come in half or less than than what their current entitlements are, which in my opinion is a huge win because based on by right by state law and property right and including everybody in here, if you have a future land use designation of you own 40 acres there and you have a res six or a res three uh future land use, you can come in and apply to have that same level of density and and sell your property with that with that value. and these two large tracks are coming in at less than what their future entitlement is. And um uh that's that's a win. That's a win.

And I'll say that the just to talk touch Bolton Avenue by having them do Bolton Avenue gets done quicker which keeps the cost down because the rate of inflation the way it could be could dramatically rise if it wasn't done right away. to the board. I make a motion. I don't know the exact wording David wanted to use on that.

Um I think the motion would be for approval and to add the condition to the MPD that um they disclose the additional potential dust on Mattis Road. That that be added to the MPD condition. They disclose that to any property owners, any homes along that is

road with a motion maker.

Cath Katherine made Catherine a second,

right? Catherine made a second. Cath motion good motion. The second good with the motion

with the addition with attorney Goldstein. All right, we have a motion to second. Roll call vote.

District one. Commissioner Oakley.

I.

District two, Commissioner Waitman.

Hi.

District three, Commissioner Starky. I,

District 4, Commissioner Jagger, I

District Five, Chairman Mariano.

I motion pass. Go P5.

Priv of publication, Tampa Bay Times, August 2nd, 2026. Good afternoon, commissioners. Christina Cordone, assistant director of parks, recreation, and natural resources. Um, so before you is the final rate resolution for the Golf Harbor's MSBU. Um, so a little bit of back history. um in at the bay at the May 19th board meeting, the board um approved a resolution to move forward with a fund transfer to fund capital improvement projects for the Gulf Harbor's neighborhood park. Um and so this step would kind of be the last step to solidify that um fund transfer. Um, and so this, uh, resolution is to ensure that the MSBU rate is set at $100. Um, and that $100 would be for a 10-year repayment plan, and that would cover the cost for the repayment for the general fund transfer that we have. Um, and so, as a reminder, um, G Harbors has a, uh, advisory committee. And so prior to that May uh board meeting, the advisory committee um reviewed some survey poll that was provided from the community um about whether they wanted to keep the assessment at $100, possibly increase the assessment um or, you know, move forward with a loan or a general fund transfer or leave it as be. Um and so the advisory committee made a recommendation to the board um to move forward with that fund transfer. So in order to kind of finalize that fund transfer and ensure we have a mechanism to pay that fund back, this would be the final step for that um process. So um so um staff and the advisory committee um recommend moving forward with setting the final rate res uh final rate at $100 with a 10-year repayment plan. I'll move approval. Second uh public hearing public comment.

Yes.

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Public hearing. Any here to speak to this item? Anyone online?

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Against this item.

Okay. We'll close public comment. We have a motion.

I have a motion.

Move to approve.

I move.

I got a move and I got second.

Yes.

All in favor. Roll call vote.

District one. Commissioner Oakley.

I.

District two. Commissioner Weightman. Hi.

District three. Commissioner Sharky.

I,

District 4, Commissioner Jagger.

Hi,

District 5. Chairman Mariano,

I.

Item P56. Congrats.

Perfect for publication. Tampa Bay Times, July 26, 2026 and August 2nd, 2026.

Do we need a pres?

Good afternoon.

Good afternoon. Joanne Raida, real property uh division. Uh, the real property team has received a petition to vacate a portion of an undeveloped platted right ofway filed by James and Donna Ralph. The purpose of the vacation is to allow for future development. There were no objections to this petition and the team recommends approval.

Okay, that might be enough.

Any further discussion?

Have a motion. I move. All right, roll call vote.

District one, Commissioner Oakley. I

District two, Commissioner Weightman. Hi.

District three, Commissioner Starky. I,

District 4, Commissioner Joerger.

I,

District 5, Chairman Mariano.

I motion passes.

Thank you.

Okay, we're going to go to item R41. I understand we're going to just push that out.

Mr. Chairman, in the interest of time, we can certainly uh push that discussion to another date. We have talked with staff. We're we're perfectly good with that. So, if it's pleasure of the board, we can bring that back at another time. I I think it's a good idea and I'd like to add some points to it because uh looking at the cobalt fire situation that just happened, all the information that's out there, my understanding just from this morning was it did have firewalls. It did have sprinklers from down below uh and was all to code. It's designed to work that way. From what I understand, the lightning bolt that hit hit and went through the roof, creating a very unique situation, creating a lot of oxygen in the air, which let it burn a lot quicker and stronger than would normally happen if it just hit the roof and slowly burnt. So, I want to make sure that everything was done properly. I know the team is going to investigate it, so I'm comfortable with that. But, if you can wait till you have all that information together and bring it back at the same time, this way when we make one set of changes, we can do it all at the same time. She'd rather have a more comprehensive discussion on multif family both on policy as well as potential

safety

code and safety. Okay, we can do that.

They had sprinklers in the attic, you know.

Yeah. Uh we can have that discussion. Okay, understand.

Very good.

Okay, now we go to R42.

Bill,

good afternoon. David Engel, the planning and economic development director.

Bill's still here.

Yes, he he was up right away, but no, no, he's back for a second resolution. I I have to tell you that Bill has been a pleasure to work with. We've had a long journey developing and crafting a multi-year funding agreement. So, what I'd like to do today is provide a concern.

Can I stop you for just for a second?

Yes, sir.

I just want to say that Pasco County has probably got the two best economic development people that are probably in the planet. And you guys working together the way you do creates tremendous opportunities for us. I greatly appreciate you guys working so well together and helping all these things happen.

Well, makes a big difference.

Well, thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Uh, the Pasco Economic Development Council has historically been the economic development organization for Pasco County. Uh, designated by the board to represent us at governmental levels and also do certain functions that we are not able to do internally here uh with the with our existing team. So, uh, Bill Bill's proposal, um, was, uh, submitted to us about a two years ago. We went through an extensive vetting session. But before I get to that, I just want to highlight exactly what the EDC function is because maybe the public isn't aware of their important function here in the county. The Pasco Economic Development County uh, recruit businesses and attract businesses to come to the county. That's good for our tax base and also good for job creation. They work with existing businesses on retaining their presence here and helping them expand. And that organic development is key and critical to our sustainability as a as a viable economic county. Um, Bill's uh is our basically our our centric um entrepreneurship and business uh development person for um for helping new businesses come up and be incubated here in the county and be able to hire and expand uh marketing and lead generation which is part and parcel to uh the bullets one, two, and three and workforce development. So, the proposal today is to establish a five-year funding plan uh commencing on October 1st, 2026 will be fiscal year 27 for us and then um expiring on September 30 uh 2031. So, the question would be why a multi-year plan? So we we've been we we realize that the EDC has to have an understanding of what their financial future looks like so they can make commitments and plans and having to go through a annual review process on the numbers is um is problematic for the EDC. For example, they came in with a original proposal last year. We had to do interim funding and a lot of their initiatives were frozen because of it. So this provides a clear path forward and Bill knows and understands what he has to do and the resources he has. Uh we've also utilized the Ernston Young study. If the board may recall back in 2023, Ernston Young was commissioned to come in here and look at our economic development program. They apped that the EDC and having a not for profofit is a key important function and we should not lose that. and they also made some recommendations on uh updating the key performance indicators and Bill has been very cooperative and we have enhanced KPIs and if you notice Bill's last quarterly report was much different than the original reports that he was doing. So that's all part of this collaborative process. Uh last year we gave Bill a a pass with some uh temporary funding for fiscal 26 which was at $1.6 million. Uh we did allow him to uh offer a cola increase to his employees of three and a half percent which was consistent with the board uh position on wage increases last year and um he had agreed that he would work in that funding agreement to enhance and improve the KPIs. So the

proposed funding is as follows. Um I would just have to say that Bill has not received a raise for his penny for Pasco programming. A lot of those program funding amounts were articulated and established back in 2018. So based on that, uh we offered Bill a 10% bump on his base funding and uh that will take care of the inflationary forces and factors that back up to 2019. And um also that is his base year. Five years forward he's required to maintain a flat budget. Um there is a cost of and I'll go through the features of it but it's basically a fat budget. Um we do we do allow some adjustments to inflation using the stated uh CPI. He can't exceed that level. And um very important because a large part of his staff um expenses are paid through the county. He's agreed to offer wage adjustments annually consistent with the board policy. And if the board were to entertain a a uh a salary study that we do periodically do, Bill could join in and do his own salary study and that could be reviewed by the board as well. Uh we've enhanced and updated the KPIs as I had mentioned before and I have to tell you this is the most transparent uh EDC deal that we've done. every the budget has the macro budget and then we have each of the business lines in the EDC's um portfolio with KPIs after them. So you have concise budgeting program to program with the KPIs broken out so it's easy to read and understand and the public can digest it very quickly. And u just to go through I mentioned there's a CPI adjustment. the board establishes that there's a cost of living increase and then there's the pay study. And uh basically without reviewing it uh in detail, I would just say that originally we we offer Bill the payment upfront October 1st in the fiscal year. But Bill has agreed to receive the money in two funding tranches 50% the beginning of the fiscal year and then around January 15th there and about there'll be another 50% payment but if Bill has um accumulated excessive reserve funds he will use that to reduce the amount of county funds. So, uh, we want to make sure that Bill has money and that he's utilizing it efficiently and if he has additional funds that have accumulated, he's agreed to, uh, not hold that for future projects, but use that and apply it against the county payment. And, uh, that's it. So, quarterly reports are still online. He will be providing a board u annual report and we have those new KPIs that Bill featured in this last presentation. So, it's our recommendation to approve this multi-year, five-year funding um agreement, and we're here to answer any questions that you may have. And Bill's here for operational questions. Thank you.

Move approval. Approval.

Move approval.

Before I second it,

utimes a a tense and contentious budget cycle. uh one less thing to have to worry about. So to have these longer term agreements with partners that we we have confidence in and trust uh makes our budget cycle I think uh a little less complicated when it comes to negotiating and uh it also gives you the confident that you can plan you know at 2448 3 72 months at a time right and uh that's that's important for success that way you're not worried about what what we're doing up here as a board when it comes to budget time so good work between you both. You look like you're uh still kind of like each other a little bit.

Yeah, Bill is one of my Bill is my most passionate collaboration.

You guys are are cool uh right now and five years from now, maybe not. We'll see. But uh thank you both for working together on this and uh you know making making a longer term strategy. So I'll second.

Okay. And to the board

I mean to the roll call vote.

Yeah.

District one commissioner Oakley

I. District two, Commissioner Weightman. Hi.

District three, Commissioner Starky.

District four, Commissioner Joerger.

Hi.

Who's there?

That was Starky.

Yes.

District four, Commissioner Joerger. District five, Chairman Mariano.

Hi. Well, great work, gentlemen. Thank you. And Bill, what a great family you got. It was great to see you today.

Thank you. Thank you very much. Looking forward to the next five years with you guys. Mutual success. Thanks.

All right. Do you guys mind we take a five minute break?

No.

No. You don't mind?

Okay.

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I'll make it short. Are we starting our dinner or we having a break?

I guess we're having a break.

I'm ready to leave.

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You ready?

Ready for you.

Okay. Uh Chuck Lane. Uh good evening. Uh Chuck Lane, um director of the office of disaster recovery resources. Uh this item has uh has been changed a little bit since uh since we published the agenda. So you're going to get some hard copies with some updated documents. I'll explain that change uh later in my presentation. So this is a pivotal moment for Pasco County's Better Future program. As you know, the better future program is to manage uh $585 million grant uh to help our communities recover from hurricanes Sadalia, Helen, and Milton. The funding comes from the United States Department of Housing and Development, and the grant source is CDBGDR, Community Development Block Grant Disaster Recovery. Today's recommendation is specifically related to our infrastructure mitigation program. More than a year ago, my department started with a kind of a wish list of projects, potential projects with a cumulative cost of several billion dollars. We've put great effort into whittling down the original list into something manageable considering the uh the available resources. With this agenda item, I'll be presenting a staff recommendation to allocate $147.9 million in CDBGR funding to support 20 infrastructure projects. I just want to begin by recognizing the army of people that contributed to this milestone. The coordination with county departments who will be executing these projects has been outstanding. Uh my department team has done yman's work to get to this point. uh our consultant, IM International led by Tim Lagudi, uh has put a team of experts into this effort to keep us on the right side of any compliance issues and and we received invaluable guidance from the office of management budget, the county attorney's office and the purchasing department and ultimately with direction from the county administrator as executive team, I'm proud to present this item today. So, so this item is specifically related to our infrastructure mitigation program which includes projects that are classified as crit critical infrastructure mitigation and public facilities. Our action plan allocates just over $26 million to this program. So, some quick definitions. Critical infrastructure projects include repairs to infrastructure uh damaged uh by hurricanes Adalia, Helen, or Milton. It also includes projects addressing inadequate infrastructure needs that were uh that were exposed by the storms. Mitigation includes projects that don't necessarily have a storm tieback but could create resiliency and pro protect our communities from future storms. The public facilities category includes homeless shelters, hurricane shelters, libraries, senior centers, those types of things. Public facilities projects must have a storm tieback or a mitigation component. You can see in the left test text box of the screen uh the amounts allocated by our action plan to each component. We have to be careful not to exceed these buckets although we have do have some flexibility and I'll

explain that in a moment. The staff recommendation for this item is to approve CDBGR funding for 20 projects. Uh and I'll explain that says 21. I'll explain that in a moment. It's now 20 n uh 18 of them are county projects. I'll present the project list in a moment. We're also requesting that you reserve $1 million for the required match for various repairs funded by the FEMA public assistance program. The total project cost, including other other sources for the 21 projects in the FEMA match is just shy of a quarter of a billion dollars. 147.9 million in CDBGR funding will be used to fund these projects along with 88.7 million for from other resources. Those other sources include a variety of external sources and also county funding that was already b uh budgeted for some of these projects. On the screen you can see the breakout among three categories. One project that you'll see in a moment is for renovation to the Hudson Library. It's the one project pulling from two different buckets. Uh so to avoid confusion, we've just put it under the public facilities uh bucket. Um the amounts budgeted in and our action plans for critical infrastructure, public facilities and mitigation are 100 million, 30 million and 76.4 million respectively. There are several critical infrastructure and public facilities projects that also qualify as mitigation projects. Um this we've intentionally left the mitigation bucket light because it's the easiest bucket to to spend from. Um, it's important to note because if we get heavy in one bucket with later projects, we have the ability to move money from one bucket to another to to to free up some flexibility. As I said earlier, we started with a huge list of potential projects, more than we could possibly fund. We used the criteria on the screen to determine which projects we would initially recommend to you. Always looming over our heads is the requirement that we spend 70% of the funds on low to moderate income people. We also need to be sure the projects we fund will be completed uh before the grant expires. It's a six-year grant. The clock the clock started ticking one year ago today. In fact, when HUD when HUD signed the grant agreement. So, we must plan to have all projects uh completed and closed out by August 25th, 2031. This played a big role in the selection of projects for the staff recommendation. In add in addition to the low to moderate um income benefits and project completion date, we are we pri prioritize projects that were ready to go, projects that align with Pasco County's needs and those we know the HUD will support. These pro the projects uh we are presenting to you today carry a cumul cumulative 84.3% low to moderate income benefit ratio. We didn't expect this high of a ratio. Uh this gives us some flexibility we didn't expect. It'll allow us to help more residents at higher income levels in our individual housing program. Following approval of this item, we'll have the ability to

serve residents earning up to 120% of area median income in the housing program without jeopardizing our ability to spend 70% of the funds on low to moderate income residents. This may also give us more flexibility in later phases of of our administration of the grant. Okay. So, I'll use the next three slides to introduce the 20 projects to you. As a reminder, these these are projects that are ready now or nearing readiness. The clock is ticking. Uh I won't go into great detail uh for each of the projects. Various departments will be managing CDBGDR projects. Each department with a project on this list is represented today and will address any questions you have for on individual projects. This screen this screen shows you the list of critical infrastructure projects. First four on this on the first four on the list are storm water improvement projects. The hurricanes particularly helen for these projects expose deficiencies in our storm water systems. Stormwater projects are uniquely aligned with CDBGDR priorities and these types of projects address needed upgrades to our storm water systems to help create resiliency. Uh a bridge to access Starky Wilderness Preserve was damaged by the hurricanes and needs to be replaced. The Opticom MOO Vision project will improve capabilities for emergency vehicles to preempt traffic signals to improve response times. This will be critical post storm. It will also improve response efforts under the blue skies. The alpha septic to sewer project will help us take 669 properties off of private septic systems and connect them to the public sewer. Mitchell Boulevard will be extended from Little Road to State Road 54 at the Starky Boulevard intersection. This will take pressure off of Little Road and Trinity Boulevard during evacuation activities. And the city of Port Richie requested funding to elevate 14 lift stations. Proposal. The proposed funding amount is 25% of the total project cost. This slide shows the proposed public facilities projects. We have a project to acquire property on Clock Tower Parkway and renovate an existing building for use as a senior center. Public service is proposing to purchase uh additional pallet homes uh to replace the recreational vehicles at the homeless shelters on Grand Boulevard and um and Youth Lane. Improvements to the Go Pasco facility on Gail and Wilson will add hardened space for transit evacuation recovery operations. Improvements to the existing Pasco uh the existing building at Pasco Hope on Grim Boulevard are also planned. Uh next is the new 50,000 square foot recreation center that will serve as a hurricane shelter for residents on the east side of the county and funding will allow a long-awaited renovation to Hudson Library to move forward. This slide shows projects that will fall under the mitigation category. These are projects that don't necessarily have a storm tieback, but they will provide um resilience and help protect our residents when facing future storm

events. The um the first project on the list uh um is we're going to be look at putting that towards uh phase two. It won't we're going to reduce that from this list. Uh more to come on that. Uh the next project is a generator for the Land of Lakes Detention Center. This will provide full battery full backup power for that facility. Uh, Lefi Drive is a stormwater project that will be combined as one large project with Seines and Capines's local that you saw on the critical infrastructure slide. The next project is to acquire the former Forest Hills golf course property in Holiday. Uh, this will provide flood storage and also ensure this floodprone property will not be developed. Uh, details of this project changed uh after the agenda was published. That was the purpose for the handouts today. Um, one second. $5.5 million in additional in additional county funds were removed and $700,000 in CDBGDR funding was added. So for the 5.5 million, $4.5 million is for acquisition and $700,000 is for demolition of some existing structures. The next project is to fund the required match for hazard mitigation grant program expenses for the purchase of 25 generators uh to keep lift stations running during during power outages. HMGP is a FEMA funded program and CDBGR is an eligible source to pay the required local match under that program. And lastly, the final project is to construct a hardened uh facilities maintenance warehouse in the central part of the county. This will allow county staff to more quickly deliver resources across the county prior to and after a storm event. So, that's the list for phase one projects. Uh we are working on a phase two list. Um, phase two projects will follow the same criteria as phase one, only they need a little bit more time uh before we start them. My team uh will bring phase two projects forward as they become ready and at the direction of the county administrator. So, at this time, I'll remind you that the leadership from each department with a project being recommended for phase one is available for your questions. This concludes my presentation and I'll welcome any questions that you may have. I don't have a question, just a comment. Um,

you guys did a great job putting this together. I know it's a lot of work and you guys are on the timeline and I just appreciate all the work you do and um I know it's a lot all the things you have to look for and um all the projects out there, they're all good. So,

thank you. Thank chair. Um, back to can you go back to the slide as m the mitigation bucket please? I I'll start with this. I know and to Kathy and your team I'm in no secret how critical and how much uh apprehension I have with uh the monies especially towards um the housing section of this of this um of the volume of this money. So, I appreciate everybody's patience with me and my criticalness of of u this exercise.

You weren't yelling, were you?

So, no. No, I'll let you do that. I'm on cough drops today. Um, so it's been a long day, folks. So, for the mitigation bucket, you say it's the easiest bucket to spin from. So for example uh you know we we learn from real world situ situations and because uh part one of the examples we talked about uh I talked about with staff was giving a chunk of money uh to HUD for vouchers to help folks get into a place to live today versus waiting three to five years to build a project. Right? like the money and we we send this message of we have this money we have a short period of time to help people and and if we're going to spend it I'd like to help people now immediately. So, in light of the cobalt fire at the apartment complex in Wesley Chapel, if we were to give, hypothetically, if we were to give money to HUD for vouchers and we found a complex that had a bunch of empty units and they were willing to to take in, you know, however many HUD vouchers of folks to live in and we look at that facility and we deem as a county that, okay, we need to add additional fire suppression systems. learning what we learned after this fire, after the lightning strike. Could we use some of this money to improve existing apartment complexes that that that may or may not want to participate in this program to have people live in to help them say, "Okay, yes, I am willing to go through the bureaucratic paperwork process to accept HUD applicants." Because that's a that's a challenge, right? What we've learned is is folks are uh certain complexes won't take the vouchers just because of the paperwork and it's a it's a pain in the rear for them, but they have you see one month, two month, three month free rent because they have availability. Could we use that as a carrot as a stick to help them improve their building if they take in people uh folks for a period of time?

So, all of what you just suggested is eligible and uh but it's not under this program. the infrastructure program. So, with a combination of housing funds perhaps and public facilities funds, those are things we can do. I've been talking to internal staff about about those types of projects. I've talked with the h the Pasco County Housing Authority about maybe standing up something with vouchers that, you know, they have a process in place and and it's kind of plug in, you know, they're plugged in to do it right away. Um, so if they have the capacity to do it, they it would make sense for them to run that program. If we use it as an incentive to get an existing complex that ordinarily would have said no, we don't want to do the HUD vouchers, we have a stick say, hey, we have 25 folks that we can put in on our list. Commissioner Starky's listening, I'll say Pasco folks uh for the vouchers to go live there and to help them help them say yes, we will take them and on top of that, we will give you x amount of money to help if there's a lightning strike that hits the third or fourth floor to try to prevent what happened a week ago. if if that's a if that's an opportunity if that's an opportunity. I think it it was just, you know, life happened, we learn from it. Um, and if there's a way to make these buildings safer, uh, with with these funds by also giving people confidence, right? I think the public needs confidence that, hey, we're we feel safe to live uh, in one of these apartment complexes that this could be a way to do that. So, just a thought out there since we're having this discussion. I'll throw another curveball at you. Why not? Uh

I'll keep it top of mind.

So, I just throw that out there.

I just I just want to add what he's saying, but the fact of it is this all this money is earmarked for people that had issues during the storms that came from FEMA for that purpose, right?

Uh the mitigation money, not necessarily. Um the mitigation money can be exclusively to help projects that protect us against future storms. Um, but all of the public facilities projects, the critical infrastructure projects, and even several of the mitigation projects, they do have a storm tieback at some level.

I'll give you a thought, Commissioner Way, when I was thinking about that as well as I like I like your approach to try to make it safer because that what what happened there was devastating for the property. Thank god no one got hurt, but had those sprinklers been in the roof would have been a situation. I in my conversation before today is pushing that item back for um multifamily. My thoughts were maybe even we work with the existing ones to give them an incentive through their fire MSTU that they pay because that was like a hundred people out there working on that fire. That's a lot of money tied up. So there's got to be incentive for us to kind of maybe work with them to somehow make it advantage for them. The other thing I was thinking was as we look at that situation is maybe we even go rate the ones that have the extra sprinklers some the extra protections and put some type of rate rating a bonus system and people can know that this one's extra safe because it's got those extra sprinklers or or what are the safety things. So I think you're on the right track uh for something for down the road. But I think if we get a little more information back with what they're going to study we we still have enough time to look at that to try to add it if we can add it to be an appropriate Um, anything else?

I'll just add some more. Um, Chuck, the work that y'all done as a team on putting all this together. Thank you very much for all the work y'all did cuz it's not an easy task and uh I appreciate all y'all done to make this work out. I mean, this is like the first step in the door because this is when you're starting to really start to deliver. So,

well, it's been a lot of work.

It's really important. It's been a lot of work up to now, but it's not over.

The work is just beginning.

Yeah, there's a lot of work to come with these projects.

I do have one question.

Um, for all the prop all the projects that require property acquisition, the staff confirm that they're all willing sellers. Um, I just want to make sure none of these projects require in the domain.

I believe that is correct.

Okay. And if there are any departments that have an acquisition project that need to say otherwise, I call them up right now. But yes, that to my knowledge, that is correct.

Okay. I like to go into a couple of different things and I'll it it's not it will most certainly be a voluntary sale if that's where you get going with.

Well, I'm asking because I know these need to be expedited projects and they have a timeline to meet.

Yes.

If any of them require eminent domain, I it's unlikely we could meet the timeline. And that's why I'm asking the question.

I I know the acquisition projects we have been in communication with the owners whether or not there's a we've landed on a price. I don't know the answer to that, but yes, we have Welling sellers and we've been in communications with the owners in the acquisition projects.

Okay. And just one small point on the Mitchell Boulevard one. I don't see a um item for acquiring the land. Do we actually have the land for Mitchell Boulevard?

There's We own some of the land. Um that would be a partnership with a developer. So that's where we would see investment.

Does the developer agreed to provide the land for that?

I don't know the answer to that.

Mr. Rendle here.

I see a thumbs up in the bank.

Good. Getting a yes from

Okay.

Okay. Thank you.

All right. So I I want to I just want to say what you've done putting this together is phenomenal. Absolutely phenomenal. I think you're hitting home where we need to go and you're giving us flexibility for later on for the next things to add into it. Um, I'm actually hoping for Magnolia Valley later on to be included. I got some ideas for that which I got time to go work on now. U, but I want to say the um the one purchase on the uh on the Enclo property um I understand the price is high like I don't know we're paying like 4.5 million for it. Is that a number or is that just

Which page is that on?

Um it's up there. Old Forest Hills acquisition. you just I was on the same page.

$4.5 million is the uh acquisition price.

Okay. So, I believe that's the appraised value.

All right. So, so let me just say this about the appraised value and and

I want a better negotiation. I'll tell you why. There was a a golf club negotiating on that for a year.

I understand two years.

Listen, don't hurt my negotiation right now because we're still in negotiation. We haven't signed a contract. Let me let me just say I want to see it happen, but there was an 18hole golf course up in Hudson that sold for over right around $4 million and it was 18 holes making money in upland all the way through. I know when we buy Elamp land, we usually were going to pay a smaller amount of money for it, but I just want to say I want you to really work work that and like that number. I will say this, Elers, I am very excited about that project too. septic sewer 600 some odd homes and I don't know if you already plan to do it uh but if we can get some maybe there's some matching state money that's out there D's got a program that ends for the end of the month uh through part two money that I think now that we've putting this money toward that you might be able to get the rest of the money for that whole project and that's a real real deal let's say right now that you can get ready you know within two days to have that ready to go with what you've done here so I think you can get the balance of that money could be huge with everything else that of gut. I want to say that I and just like we've talked about here, when we we when the county does things and we put bids out, we pay more money because everybody thinks we're at the ceiling. I want you to have the confidence everybody else as we're looking and all the biders that are coming out there that just because these are number up here there's contingencies in there's cushions in there that don't think this is the highest number that you that we're going to pay or the number we're going to pay maybe better bids out there and we're not looking to spend all of it on these projects but we're putting ourselves in a position to go make these deals happen and get this stuff done. So, I just want to give you that to go and then for everyone else out there listening, just because you see 9 million here or whatever the numbers are that we're still looking to be lower and we've got contingency and there for other things just in case something goes, but we want to get the best price we can possibly get.

Absolutely.

And I and I I just want to give you the confidence in the insurance to know we're behind you and we we'd hope that you can do that so we can add more things to it. But again, I am just thrilled with what you've done here. I think it's a great use of getting this set up to go. Terrific.

Commissioner, can I say yes to um

Yes. I I told him he's like Santa Claus and he's got the best the best job in the county. Um um on the golf course, just something to remember about it. Um it is riverfront property with a boat ramp. So the county is now going to have another access to the Enclave River. So that is very advantageous for us.

So there may So there may be other things coming with this.

Can we just start? So there may be other things coming with this.

Yes, there's there are some wonderful things for the county coming with this. Um and

and there may be an opportunity for us to carve off a piece and um sell it to the there's a restaurant on the water

on this property as well. Um it's closed right now.

And again, sorry. So, I just I just want to say I I was so glad to see there's something in everyone's district. Um I am absolutely thrilled that we're getting the bridge uh that connects the parts of the uh uh Starky Preserve together because that that's a safety issue and um and it's been long overdue and looking at everyone everyone's projects and their districts, they're just going to make such a difference in our constituents lives. So, I'm I'm just uh I'm sorry that we had the hurricanes, but this is the uh lemonade out of the lemons, and I think um the impact on all these projects will be felt for a long time.

You ready to make a motion?

I make that motion.

I'll second it.

Okay.

Thought Ronnie made it.

All right.

Oh, sorry.

First motion.

Where y'all been? Did you I'll leave it to the

Commissioner Starky can be the second. You're going to have to second it, Commissioner Stark.

Anyway, phenomenal job. Great work.

Second.

District one, Commissioner Oakley.

Now he's slacking.

District two, Commissioner Weightman.

Hi.

District three, Commissioner Starky.

I.

District four, Commissioner Joerger.

Hi.

District five, Chairman Mariano.

Hi.

Okay, great job. Keep up the good work. The whole team's doing phenomenal

team.

That will bring us to committ reports. Commissioner Oakley,

I'm done.

All right.

Done. Okay.

Yeah.

Commission Wait.

He's out. I've

enjoyed it.

Three three things. uh chief and the fire team and Joanna and your team, Pasco Sheriff's Office, neighboring jurisdictions, 911 center. Um thank y'all for your quick work and your safe work uh on on the cobalt fires. I know you guys are hearing and talking and living living it probably all day every day. Uh but uh I'm confident that that uh your work uh in getting that that fire under control um is is seen and and our heartfelt gratitude to you all. Everybody was safe. Nobody nobody hurt you know residents and and and your team uh everybody it was a a successful a successful mission as it could be. So, so thank you all for your dedication and uh it was it was uh somewhat timely with the opening. Chair Mariano and I were there the opening of station two. Congratulations to everybody who's living and working in station two on on 54. Very excited to see that firehouse open. Looks great. Gym is awesome. Kitchen's fantastic. Um and uh lastly want to thank everybody for their support on our safe routes to schools and the school district and our federal partners and our state partners and and the voters for the penny. We uh had a a groundbreaking uh for the Pine View Middle and sidewalk uh middle and elementary school sidewalk projects um last week and had some nice press coverage on it to show that hey we're moving forward. It's the most dangerous route to school. uh those two schools and we have roughly three miles of sidewalks that are going to be on their way getting built. The second most dangerous routes to schools were off Curly and Wells at the Wesley Chapel uh school district plaza there. And the next one is Shady Hills. And I understand that uh we're moving forward even though we didn't receive our appropriation, but moving forward with penny money to help the schools on Shady Hills. And so very proud of the team effort and the the unified front on on our safe routes to schools for our kids and families. So, uh, great work by everybody and and everybody who who cares about that issue as much as I do. So, thank you, Chair.

Thank you. Mr. Starky,

you still there?

Have a before we

Yeah, we got pictures back. I'm looking at the Oh, all right. Um, okay. So, I I don't have my sheet with me. It's there at my desk. But I went up and toured a a school in your district, Commissioner Mariano. U it's called I think the Pope Ranch or it's a it's a school for special needs started by a bunch of parents. Started in elementary school, then went on to middle school, then high school, and now they have a workforce training program, which is what I visited. there for um you know uh young adults on the they're employed mostly in Hillsboro Hernando County um but it's some in Pasco County with Oakill Hospital the Hernando Sheriff's Office um some other government agencies and it's just an amazing program and um won't enter the east side what yeah the east side and I encourage everyone to go and tour this facility on the way back from that. I stopped in at uh the Vincent house and um I had been there for the opening of the clubhouse, but I hadn't been able to see the new home. Um another great workforce training program for people with special needs. And uh and that the the squash that you see there was grown there. So very cool. Um, and uh, just another unique program. I'm probably going to feature both of those programs off national call on workforce training on my committee for C. Um, then I can't remember what else is on my list. back to another work that did in Tampa with um the Hillsboro County School District and one of their school board members. And it's it's another workforce training program centered on high school students making sure they all have a plan before they graduate high school of what they're going to do as far as a job or and they they they have a curriculum that they have all the students go through. Um it sounds phenomenal and I'm going to be helping them bring that here to Pasco County Schools. Um Ivonne Fry is the schoolboard member who's got this program. So, park on county and uh and then um some company school district great program and uh it's I attended the Tri County meeting um another great meeting and um uh I wanted all the commissioners to be sure that you have on your calendar the special meeting for the FO mergers that's going to be in date city. Um I think it's on the 3, but just please make sure you're there. This is a super important meeting. Every county mo or whatever it's called in other counties are all having the same meeting on the same day. So it's a big day, big vote. Hey, thank you.

Commissioner Starky, if I could, Commissioner Starky.

Yeah.

Um

so the meeting that we have in Dade City, is that just us or is that the others as well? It's our no. It's an emergency meeting for our MO.

Just our no.

We're We're in the afternoon. Okay.

I don't know which one's going first. Um Hillsboro Penelis, but it's all three of us simultaneously are consecutively meeting that day apparently because I attended the NO meeting. I know Lisa ended up having to leave, but I attended the NPO meeting for so I was and this is where they talked about it. No one else was there. Um, how important it is to be

Commissioner Starky. My calendar is showing that meeting on September 1st. Does that sound right?

September 1. Okay. City.

Yeah.

You said September 3rd, but my calendar is saying September 1st. There's going to

Well, I was doing it from memory. I think uh I saw something come today to remind everybody about it. email.

Now, on a workshop, does one have to be present or one can be remote?

Vote.

Well, there's no voting.

There's actually Well, the thing is there's a meeting immediately after the workshop.

I understand that.

Be there to vote anyway.

Yeah, they just Well, they just added that into it, but I had

thought I could do it remote. I had made family plans. So, if I'm going to be away, I want to be able to just call in and do that if that's okay with the board.

But the workshop,

this isn't a TMA. This is the Pasco MO special meeting,

right? So, I don't know what the rules are

again, but it's a workshop. We're not voting on it is fine, but they're going to need

they're going to need a quorum to vote the

I believe it has a vote.

No. Well, to Yeah. Again, we're not voting anything. It's a workshop, but as far as the MO meeting that I know you need to be present for that.

Yes.

All right. Thank you.

All right, Commissioner Jagger.

Okay. Well, let's see. Can I have my first slide? Okay. So, um, the area of aging, they, uh, honored Mike Wells as the outstanding humanitarian award. So, that was that was welld deserved. I'll go through my stuff quick. Okay. And this is I'd like to recognize some of our rescue personnel who represented Pasco County the firefighter challenge championship series South Region Classic in Deerfield Beach last week. So, that's this group. It was incredibly demanding. They put firefighters through physically and mentally challenging events designed to stimulate the work they perform on the ground. It requires strength, speed, endurance, and extraordinary level of uh preparation. Um while I'm on fire rescue, um their total calls in the last 30 days was 7,935 calls. uh motor vehicle accidents 276, structure fires, 31, and uh special ops calls 153. And obviously a shout out to the over 100 firefighters who um put the fire out in Wesley Chapel. Um that was just an incredible group effort and we are indebted to them because that was a huge undertaking and no lives lost and the community rallied together to where um they are full with donations. So that just speaks volumes about Pasco County. So Pasco proud on that. And um just one other thing suggestion to you guys to you know we've heard um the good things about the uh plate readers and then we heard some um you know concerned citizens about the plate readers. Um, I'm suggesting that, you know, we do a workshop, we think about it, we we talk about it, um, get a presentation so the community can have some input, get involved, and also at that time, maybe we can talk about the drones with um, you know, Chuck can do a pres or um, the sheriff's office and maybe do a drone presentation um, with the I don't know, but you know, just about the contracts to include the AL LPRs and the LPRs for a workshop.

So, I'll agree. Uh I think we should go even a little more intense with it. I think like we had a bunch of experts that were ask residents. Great input. Uh good input from the sheriff's offices as well. I think we set a committee up. I think it was a great recommendation. Let the committee meet maybe one or two times, put some things together, then schedule a workshop. And we do the workshop. Usually we don't take public input but I think that one we take the public input on. So that may take a little bit of time to do it but I think taking our time on this and getting it right is critical and I think just like the moratorum on data centers was well respected and received by our citizens. I think if we take our time and look at this and make the right decision uh I think it's a great way to go. So, I'm I'm comfortable giving staff the flexibility to set the committee committee up and it can be anybody on the committee wants to go have let them have a couple of meetings and then

when you what do you mean just anybody?

Well, people that like that spoke today.

Okay. Like experts along

experts that that Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah. There there's no way it's certainly going to be an intense conversation either, you know, for or against them. So,

you know, we need to be prepared to have you know, really robust professional dialogue with open minds and um you know, probably some fun-spirited debate like we do from time to time

once in a while.

Yep. Uh so I think a workshop would be good and um I know we don't normally incorporate the public into the workshop, but it's probably important whatever the workshop rules. Our county attorney is looking at me sideways here. our new county.

I I don't have an issue with um you taking public comment at a workshop. My only reason I was

have a little hesitancy is about the committee because when the board

I think that's how we we hash out what this committee is.

Well, the only the only hesitency I have is when you create a committee if they're going to be making a recommendation to you they're going to be subject to the sunshine law. I just want you to understand that. So

they have to I mean we can look at the Doge committees that have been set up around you know those are pretty intense bodies right um

so I mean so are you gonna

we don't know yet there's only three of us here so

so I mean if you're going to set up a committee like that you're going to have to somebody's going to have to say who's on it and they're going to have to understand they'd be subject to some law when they meet and that kind of

would it be better to have a task force or something like that

task force that's a great task force that's the word I thought thank you

and I I just want to say like as you know you picked this committee that you know people are in general talking about things countrywide right but we have to when we have to just be on P we have to be focused on Pasco Pasco only and has anything happened in Pasco what can happen people's privacy data etc um I just want to keep the focus to Pasco because people think we have control over the whole country and sadly we only have Well, I think we got to look at all aspects. I mean, fourth amendment, etc. But

we we we have to think broader because of the the talking of the systems, you know, right? Something happens here and they catch the person in Tennessee. I think that was the example used, right? I think it'd be good that that we have uh public dialogue and understanding of how these systems talk to one another, whether it's a the flock system or the what's the other one? Axon, if those two, you know, how these systems communicate and work and integrate, you know, it it's it's a fact. And it was stated today that, you know, technology is outpacing manpower and um and it's moving quicker than than any of us can, especially in the world of of public safety. You know, sheriff said at our workshop that technology is the future of our of our of our police force. And um you know as a governing body especially you know when it comes to to budgets um I certainly uh have great apprehension to tell another constitutional author they're the CEO of their organization on how they should do their job. But at the end of the day, this body, our number one job is to be the fidiciary of public money. And our job is to ensure that the money that we allocate um to other leaders in this county is being used uh in in in in the best interest of the public. So, you know, as a fidiciary, if we're, you know, we're making dollars and cents decisions, uh, I think it's important that we, uh, are confident in our decisions and the money that we allocate to, you know, whether supervisor of elections, clerk of the court, property appraiser, uh, sheriff's department, that we're we're making the the appropriate uh, decisions when it comes to the budget for folks. So I I think this is a great step in the right direction to add transparent for us to have understanding as a board um to understand what's going on with these with these systems and technology as a whole.

Yeah, that is definitely fast moving. We did all swear. So uh I think all is good. I think that task force is a great way to go and task a subsequent workshop

and I think the task force needs to be voted on because

that's fine. Um, and also I just want to say that whatever we decide as as a board after we gather all the facts that Pasco County would be the only neighboring county that does not have this technology, which you know, no one got to hear that today, but um I understand all the the concerns with, you know, data privacy, people's safety, things like that, but um

we'll make it Yeah, at the end of the day, you know, um we heard the people both sides and I just want to make sure that, you know, there's knowledgeable people. We're not using Google. We're not using AI for our information. We're getting information from from people in the field and these these vendors. So,

we'll ensure a balanced group.

I'm sure you can bring something back to us. Okay.

Absolutely.

Very good. All right. County administrator.

Uh two really really quick things. Yes. Shout out to the fire rescue team as well as members of our public services team. Uh just a great em. Everyone came together on that on that fire, including one new member of our team. I I think John Gross is here. John, would you stand up? Where you at? There he is. John is our new fire marshal and he got thrown literally into the fire with one of the largest fires that we had here in the county. So, welcome. Just wanted to introduce him.

Have you been here all afternoon?

All right. Well, you get a clap for just saying hanging out all day. Uh the second thing that I have is at the last meeting uh the board instructed us to come back with um information related to amendment three. Uh I have Amy Ferrell here. She can give you a threeminute overview of a draft website that we have come up with to educate the public on amendment three. Amy.

All right. So there's a couple I'll call it major muscle movements on the draft website as it stands right now. So, one piece of the story that we noticed when we were looking at when and where education was happening was um why the impact the potential loss of revenue might be an impact. When you look at total budget, we've got a $2.2 billion budget. So, the first thing we did was to frame it in what we're calling restricted versus unrestricted funds. So, we have a lot of different funding sources that come in, but there's laws and rules tied to how we can spend them. So the first thing we did was break out, okay, 61% of our budget has a lot of rules around it. And those things that are funded by property taxes, by and large, it is not lawful or legal for us to use 61% of our budget to fund those things. So when we're talking about the tax reform, we're really talking about 39% of our overall budget that would be impacted. Then we drop down to show you using visual graphics what that impact looks like per major levy. So, the first one we're looking at is our general operating levy. Then we move into our fire rescue levy. And then we move into that road paving levy. Then we send them back to our um main budget page if they want other information on our current fiscal year 26 adopted budget or any previous budgets. Um fiscal year 27 is forthcoming. Then we drop into two sections. one that are frequently asked questions and then the second one are links to other resources for additional information. Questions?

Can you flip those again just a little bit slower?

I went real fast. He said three minutes. I said I can beat you.

This this is okay. You have dating on there. Go ahead.

Fire rescue.

Mhm.

Citizen safe. All right. Now, what about parks, libraries, senior services, etc. So that would all fall under citizen safety and services. And so we call out what some of those things are in the narrative

around the graphics.

So I think it's important though because people are going to need to know they're hit the hardest when we have cuts. We had the 07 0809 big budget cuts when the property values crashed. Parks and libraries get like 29%. And we know that's where it's going to come first. We heard a gentleman talking about we don't have enough park space out there today. Hear it all the time all over the county. I think you need to bring that out to show what that budget is and how much we're spending because people need to see what we have. I I think that's part of the cut that's going to be coming somewhat.

So, as part of that 428 million that that I'm looking at there, um either a drop down or or a table or something that could explain what makes that number up. Nothing. Yeah, you got I mean how much do we spend on services?

That's a drill down. That's easy.

You look at like senior services, veteran services. We How many officers do we have, Kathy?

How many veterans officers do we have? Seven.

Yes.

Seven offices. Um senior services. How many people are waiting for meals on wheels? How many people may get lost? I mean, these are like the things heart and felt that you you guys fight for that, you know, people need to know.

That's good. Any other feedback? But that looks awesome.

Okay. Well, we'll take that feedback and uh I'll send ahead back to media.

Uh get that live as soon as we make those changes.

Thank you.

Yep.

I mean, you don't have to wait for that. You can still do it and then just change them later. So,

and keep adding up the

Awesome. All right.

That's all I have.

Okay. All right. Thank you. Attorney question.

Hey, Amy. In

in the Can y'all pull that back up, please? So in the diagram, the photo does, it shows uh what the amendment shows as uh uh what the legislature defines as uh necessary and not. I think it's important that folks see, okay, here's what the state deems as Nissa because parks and libraries aren't deemed as necessary in in in the funding, right? Or what whatever their terminology is.

So the mand like our mandated services.

No, the the property tax amendment defines like, hey, you can

what you can and can't full with.

It doesn't it doesn't. That's the part that's um interesting, I'll call it, because in the bill there's actually a directive in there if it's voted on and approved that the legislature would come back and further define how we're allowed to spend that money. It's kind of vague right now. So, it's not clear and the legislature says we will come back and define it should this pass. So, we can I mean I can give it the old college try. Can I ask a question?

Yeah.

Yeah. So, what we can pull some of that language in here. Um there is a a bit of there that's it's vague

because I I was under the maybe I misunderstood that parks and and libraries which a lot of our constituency deem as as necessary and critical to the you know life and well-being and quality of life that our our county provides. Uh and the state views that as it's not necessary. those items weren't specifically called out. Okay. Yeah. So, so we'll go through the language and we can put in there what's clear and I can add specific bill language. Um, right. So, then it's plain. It's plain. It's what's in the bill. It's not Pasco County's interpretation of it. Um, and then the what's called out versus not called out would also be apparent.

Is is Keith still here?

No. Okay.

He got his cick. He got his P pickle ball and ran I just commission. Okay.

Yeah.

Oh, go ahead.

I was just thinking like if if um Keith had a close to real number, a guesstimate of what people would pay for um little league and things like that, you know, for the parks.

I can ask.

Okay.

I know he had a number, but I don't know if he's comfortable sharing that number.

And maybe maybe the comparison we use from way back when how much rates went up compared to what people used to pay before the property tax cuts of of 2010. Maybe how much you had to cut them or raise those fees up might just be an indicator because we're not saying we haven't voted what we're going to do. But let people see to make the offset. You might even look at the library hours. We actually shut down one library. We cut hours back on everything else. Maybe that needs to be kind of shown the cuts they face if they pick the number. Well, then then I I don't know if we're walking a fine line between educating and then let's do this. Let's take the feedback that Commissioner Waitman had provided in your first comment. Let's go live and then I'll we can go live.

We can tweak it down the road

tweaks down the road.

So my question is why do you stop at year two when the the amendment says it allows for full elimination? because the it allows for it. But another action item that the legislature will have if this passes is to build in a timeline for the full elimination.

You could have a you could have a bubble that shows full elimination.

I mean without a year.

Yeah, I could. It felt for a lack of a better word.

So we just went for

the amendment I mean but the amendment I mean but I guess my point is that the full elimination is only on Homestead though. Yes.

So, you still could show how much revenue we lose with a complete loss of homestead. I mean, it's not the entire budget, but I mean, you could show what that effect would be.

I mean, we could I mean, the language does say full elimination, correct?

Yeah. That it it directs the legislature to come back and figure out the the timeline for when full elimination would happen.

I mean, I'm just saying you could show it, just not show a year. You just add a fourth a fourth link in your chain.

Okay.

I think the voters deserve to know what the effect of full elimination is.

I mean, that's a good point.

What about unfunded mandates

for a line?

I think that's a tweak because that's a that's a term we've used kind of internally here with the board and with and with you guys. I mean, it is certainly a topic that Amy and the committee that we have formed are are going to be looking at because unfunded mandates are just things that the state says thou shalt do as a local government, but we're not providing you any money for for those types of things.

I think that's

that that could be additional education that we can provide. Let me look and see how we do that and and come back to you guys with that.

Because when when you break break it down, if the property amendment goes through, we go to year three, four, five, cuts are even more dramatic. That's probably not a bad thing to see. Here's what they're telling us we got to pay for now. How are they going to pay for it? Because we want the money. Um, is there anything in there that says to make budget before we can go back to the state to look for money that we have to go raise our millage on commercial?

I think that's just

talk. I I I haven't seen anything official. I mean, there have been I've heard secondhand that there have been conversations. I can't confirm that anyone has actually said that.

That's it's not in print anyway.

Correct.

That I'm aware of. No.

Okay.

No, but that's cut to 5%. Well, now the cap is 10%.

The cap is 10%. Yeah, but the commissioner is talking about like increasing millage to say 10 mills before we seek any sort of additional dollars from Tallahassee. I think that's that was the hearsay,

but that was part of what I think the governor's

Say that again, Commissioner Starky. Uh that's what was circulated at back by some of the legislators who were there that they would expect us to do everything at home to raise as much money before we asked them for money to help for local things. That's

so they're so in essence they're

we want you to cut taxes but we want you to raise taxes before you come talk to us. That's an essence of what's being

Yeah,

that's the message that's being sent.

That's wild.

That's just what was said at when I was there. Yeah.

All right. Well, we got enough to get started with. So, let's take this run with it. And if you want to look at any of the tweaks, we can look at that.

Great. Thank you very much. Thank you.

Thank you. Great job.

I'm done, sir.

Thank you.

Okay. Anything from the clerk?

Nothing.

Okay. Uh, just got a couple of things. Um, David, thank you for meeting with the uh gentleman with the catsy. Really appreciate it. Actually sent an email over thanking us for how he was treated. Hope you're going to work on that other one. And I've got an issue with u over in Gulf Highlands. There was a cat that's been attacked by a pit bull. I've got a video which I don't want to show. Oh, there it is. There. Okay. There's a post on Facebook that's out there. So, this might be a drug house. Um, it's got a pit bull that they they the neighbors are scared and you've got video to show that the pitbull did the damage. I don't know why that pit bull wasn't removed from those people immediately. I know it's been done in the past for some reason it's happened. Maybe it's under Kathy.

Was it called?

It was It was called in. Yes. Matter of fact, I could be running to you. So, I'm sorry.

But somehow we got to take a look at that scenario. All right. Uh, and I want to say, um, Nick, if you would, I need to get with Barbara with that Denton Place numbers with the, uh, uh, people that coming to build Bolton Road. I need to get with um, Kevin Plus for the base, working with concrete, etc. Every bit should be mixed in there. Try to save some money and see how much more road we can get on that project. and then I'll go work on the industrial park as far as what I can find for matching money to get that southern road done. It's a great opportunity. And with that, I want to thank the board. Appreciate all the discussion. I know it was heavy sometimes, but

Hey. Hey, Jack.

Yes, Katherine.

Jack, I do have a question. Um um on that on that property that that house that's running a business with the big semis, are you able to say what's going on in your district?

Uh it's actually not my district. Commissioner Jgo's district, but

it's um what's it called? Beach, isn't it?

Um

Oh, I thought it was in Hudson.

Yeah, it's in Hudson.

Which the

Yeah,

the one the one the gentleman at public claw.

Yeah, that's mine.

Yeah. Um I can tell you that we talked about it last two weeks ago. I know they're working on it and I think it is going through the court system, but

um they're working it. Then and just just for the record, my staff

because it's in the court system, they only it's not that we couldn't talk and we just you got to kind of wait for that. It's it's in the process in the courts. So my staff was

attending staff were on it, you know, doing something.

We we are definitely on it and believe me, I was on it before we came to the board, but it's in the process,

right?

You you can talk to David or Sam and they can update you exactly where it stands. But yeah, we were we were on it. I was I thought misrepresented frankly cuz my team was on top of it. But anyway, so thank you all. We're journal. No, I was