3.12.24 Pasco Board of County Commissioners Meeting (Afternoon Session)

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at this time I call back to order the Pasco County Board County Commission meeting on March 12th 2024 please silence all electronic devices and mute your microphones um you want to St make a statement yeah I did um I just wanted to share with everybody here that I got word a few days ago that commissioner hilderbrand passed away um a few a few weeks ago in Alabama so U I think a moment of silence is inappropriate bhead along the side okay she's she's missed she's um done she did a good job for the FCO County for a long time 28 29 years something like that thank District three yeah she was awesome yeah don't miss my mentor yep all right we're going to um start off with public hearings uh starting with ordinances item 50 p50 okay p50 was advertised in the Tampa a times November 22nd 2023 thank you Mr chairman Naros pisos planning economic growth Department item p50 is an ordinance amending the pases county comprehensive plan providing for text amendments to Future land use element appendix and providing for additional txt amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for repeal or cability in an effective date this is a continuance request to a date un SE You Came the DAT yep motion it was it was advertised as a continuance of Y take a motion uh move to continue second get a motion uh Ro call vote District Two commissioner waitman District three commissioner starky hi District Four commissioner Bradford District 5 commissioner Mariano I district one chairman Oakley I motion pass 5 Z move on to P51 okay so P51 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times January 24th 2024 um similar to an issue we had at the last meeting um this was in the Tampa Bay Times there was a scrier error that at the bottom corner of the paper it said 121 2024 but it was um we do have proof that it was published on the January 24th so just wanted to make that note for the record was it uh published as a continuance um to this date or it is shown on your agenda today as a continuance to a date uncertain so it's going to have to be read vertis and that will resolve the clerk's problem okay anyway all right move to continue second motion second rad call vote District Two commissioner waitman District three commissioner starky hi District Four commissioner Bradford District Five commissioner Mariano I district one chairman Oakley I motion pass 5 Z move on to p52 item P sorry yeah p52 was advertised on Tampa Bay Times January 24th 2024 and by affida with certified mailings and site postings okay item P5 2 is an ordinance amending the Paso County comprehensive plan providing for a small scale comprehensive plan Amendment to the Future land use map map 2-15 and Sheet 15 from res 6 residential 6

dwelling in for grow acred to O office on approximately 2/3 of a nier of real property located at the southeast corner of the intersection of Happy Hill Road in Lake View Drive and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for repeater cability and and an effective dat this com with a recommendation of approval okay so we have anyone signed up for this item uh no sir we do not is anyone in the audience wish to speak to this item see a no one move approval second got a motion second by roll call vote District Two commissioner waitman District three commissioner starky I District Four commissioner Bradford I District Five commissioner Mariano I district one chairman Oakley I motion pass 5 move on to P 53 so p-53 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times November 22nd 2023 and by affida certified mailings and site postings okay item p53 is peg2 2432 it's an ordinance Amendment the Pasco County comprehensive plan providing for a comprehensive plan Amendment to the Future land use map map 2-5 and C12 from Ro retail office residential Comm commercial and Res three residential three dwelling units per gross acre to PD plan development on approximately 76.72 Acres of real property located south of State Road 52 approximately 900 ft west of Lander Lakes Boulevard and a text Amendment creating Subara policy flu 7176 L Lake 5241 and a map Amendment to the Future landage M map 2-9 adding sub area map 2- 976 landal Lakes 5241 and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for repealer cability and an effective date this compl with the recommendation of approval and we if the board desires a presentation we can do that okay has anyone signed up for this item uh no sir no one signed up anyone in the audience wish should speak to this item see no one move approval second got a motion second by roll call vote District Two commissioner waitman hi District three commissioner starky I District Four commissioner Bradford District 5 commissioner Mariano I district one chairman Oakley I motion pass 5 Z move on to p54 p54 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times January 4th 2024 and by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings item p54 is peg2 24100 it is an ordinance amend the P County comprehensive plan providing for a comprehensive plan Amendment to the Future land use map map 2-15 and C20 from res six residential six dwelling units per gross acre to Comm commercial and con conservation on approximately 7.12 Acres of real property located at the North side on the north side of St before approximately 1 mile west of Lander Lakes Boulevard and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for repealer cability and an effective date

this conses the recommendation of approval and if the board desires a presentation we can do that okay do anyone signed up for this item yes sir um I have one individual Diana ruo okay please come forward give your name and address for your Clerk you have three minutes to speak good afternoon ladies and gentlemen um um somebody that was involved in this before you speak I'm Sor your name and address for the record oh I'm sorry that's Diana Robo 2720 haly Lane okay zip code is 34638 thank you Miss good okay uh somebody advised me because my main concern was this to be possibly a commercial IAL place for another apartment building because there's five right now 3 and a half miles from my house and one going across the street from haly Lane 54 on that side so I didn't want to have um we're already way way overpopulated as it is over there and um quite frankly I don't understand how you know they can build that many apartments within that that close of an area and but that's not the point anyway um she advised me that this is basically just for 1.5 acres for like a retail or restaurant I mean if that's correct and that's what it states I don't have a problem with that I just didn't want to see no apartment building cuz we're overpopulated okay um's project overview says allow for the development of a 12,600 ft retail SL res restaurant okay how tall is this uh I I'm kind of can't really hear real good on this here so how tall is the uh the building is it three story four story or what what is it 12,000 foot restaurant is going to be single story I would single story but Terry's behind her Terry okay I mean if it's like just like a Resturant or single store I don't have a problem with that I live on haly Lane so it's not like not too far away from there like on the map that was with the letter here that I got okay miss the planning director will answer your question if you move away microphone so he can he can get there I'm sorry he'll answer you he'll answer your question if you will'll give him the mic I'll answer the question oh okay get out okay um nario PTO planning and economic growth uh this project is for a 12,00 foot 600 square foot uh commercial structure um it's going to be located essentially along the State 54 Frontage in this space here which is about an acre and a half of land the rest of the parcel uh as you can see is covered by the yellow which represents a wetland all of that will be conserved so that uh nothing can be built on all of this back here and the development will be fairly secluded and surrounded by the Wetland and so it'll be just a commercial development of a single story 12,600 ft type of project facing State Ro 54 okay so basically it's just a restroom it's there yeah okay I'm okay with that okay that's what it is

thank you all right thank you question yeah um I have a question Terry looking at the map um the frontage is that on a frontage road I mean it doesn't touch 54 so what's going on there that those are the F do fonds that are between the these right here are uh fdot ponds for the rwood okay so this parcel is fronting the State 54 right of away um it's just set back because of the ponds and um what kind of pedestrian access is there to this property uh right now there is a sidewalk along that Frontage on the north side of 54 you can sort of see it on the map here it's this white so it has a sidewalk right there at the front of the property the sidewalk goes behind the FD ponds okay yeah okay thank you all right players of the board yeah make sure that you is anyone else here to uh speak to this item see a no one no one on WebEx no one on WebEx Mo approval second motion and a second uh all those in favor roll call District Two commissioner waitman I District three commissioner starky I District Four commissioner Bradford District 5 commissioner Mariano hi district one chairman op hi motion pass 5 Z move on to now is time for uh public hearings would you uh give them the procedures be happy to Mr chairman uh there are two resoning agendas regular and consent staff will present each application to the board of County Commissioners if staff or Planning Commission has recommended approval and there is no opposition to the application the application will be heard but will be considered by the board without further presentation if staff or Planning Commission has recommended denial or if there is opposition to the application the applicant will be given 5 minutes for presentation the opposition will be given three minutes for each individual or five minutes for a group representative and the applicant will be given 3 minutes for rebuttal any individual disagreeing with staff or Planning Commission recommendation or anyone wishing to object to any condition of the rezoning May at this time request that petition be pulled from the consent agenda in which case that application will be heard under the regular agenda later on during the meeting otherwise all rezoning applications on the consent agenda will be approved by a single motion and vote if you wish to speak to any petition please give your name and address and whether or not you've been sworn for the record these are Quasi judicial public hearings the law in Florida is that mere public support or opposition of an application is insufficient for this board to take action please limit your comments to those criteria found within the board's Land Development code for rezonings would you like me to swearing if anyone is going to speak to any other items on the agenda please stand and raise your right

hand swear you okay do you swear affirm uh the testimony you're about to give is the truth so help you got thank you okay um first item is p55 okay so p55 was advertised in the Tampa Bay time September 20th 2023 and by apptive certified mailings and site postings um it was continued from the November 14th uh 23 and January 9th 24 meetings to today good afternoon Commissioners Denise Hernandez planning and deel planning an economic growth I apologize um p55 is p24 7683 it's a res in the name of Crossways mpud the request is to continue the item to the April 10th 2024 bordera County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 in dat say move to continue time certain second motion second by Rad call vote District Two commissioner waitman District three commissioner starky I District Four commissioner Bradford District Five commissioner Mariano I district one chairman Oakley I motion pass 5 move on to p56 okay p56 was advertised in Tampa Bay Times November 1st 2023 and was continued um from the January 9th and February 6th meeting to today p56 is Peg 2477 08 a zoning amendment in the name of St Leo Commons Villages of Pasadena Hills MP rdpd V LLC the request is to continue the item to the April 10th 2024 boarda County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 in dat City okay move to continue time second got a motion and second by roll call vote District Two commissioner waitman District three commissioner starky hi District Four commissioner Bradford District 5 commissioner Mariano I district one chairman Oakley I motion pass 5 move on to P57 P57 was advertised in Tampa Bay Times December 20th 2023 um and it was continued from the February 6 meeting to today P57 is Peg 24771 18 zoning amendment in the names of Circle K at New State Road 52 and Prospect mpug spram fruit LLC the request is to continue the item to the April 10th 20124 board County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 in D City move to continue time certain second got a motion second by roll call vote District Two commissioner waitman District three commissioner starky hi District Four commissioner Bradford H District 5 commissioner Mariano I District 1 chairman Oakley I motion pass 5 Z move on to p58 p58 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times December 20th 2023 and it was continued from the February 6th meeting to today p58 is Peg 24776 zoning amendment in the name of new Clinton LLC the request is to continue the item to the April 10th 2024 Board of County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 in D City move to continue time certain second got a motion second under discussion I want to be sure and see the site plan and I'm going to talk about these site plans of these multifamilies uh when we're when we're done wanted to have a little bit of discussion but we didn't have time for discussion under ours today yeah but I'm good I'm good to

continue okay I've got a motion in a second by roll call vote District Two commissioner waitman District three commissioner starky hi District Four commissioner Bradford I District 5 commissioner Mariano I District 1 chairman Oakley I motion pass 5 move on to p59 so p59 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times January 24 2024 p59 is Peg 24776 5 is zoning amendment in the name of Dempsey and daughters Inc Dempsey and daughters if the request is to to to uh continue the item to the April 10th 2024 board County Commissioner's meeting at 1:30 in dat City move to continue time certain second got we're going to be there till 2: in the morning on that day um you keep rolling them all over on April 10th we'll have to change public hearing to let start at 700 in the morning my dad moov his birthday okay all by Rad call vote District Two commissioner waitman District three commissioner starky hi District Four commissioner Bradford I District Five commissioner Mariano hi district one chairman Oakley I motion pass 5 move on to p60 p60 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times December 20th 2023 p60s peg2 2424 it's a comprehensive plan Amendment CPA 2301 Fletcher the request is to continue the item to the March 26th 2024 board to County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 Newport riching move to continue time certain second got a motion second by roll call vote District Two commissioner waitman District three commissioner starky I District Four commissioner Bradford District 5 commissioner Mariano I district one chairman Oakley I motion pass 5 Z we move to um p61 is a consent item can we move to p63 please all right so p63 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times October 18th 20123 and by affida of certifi mailings and site postings uh this item was continued from the December 5th and January 9th meeting to today item p63 is p247 726 zoning Amendment Cherry Hills West mpud Master Plan unit development Veterans of Foreign Wars of us major Francis eade post 4283 and up others the applicant has requested a continuance to the April 10th 2024 Board of County Commissioners at 1:30 p.m. in dat City if you would please call for public comment to see if there's anyone here to speak on the matter please this one was not advertized as a Contin continuance on your agenda um so as the normal practice I would recommend that you take public comment from anyone in the audience who wishes to speak who may not attend the new continuance tape okay if they choose to speak today they can't speak when it comes back right anyone wish to speak today on this item or wait till it comes back seeing no one uh sir there there were two individuals signed up for p63 Eric they're still not there though correct okay never mind okay move to continue time certain

second I'm under discussion I just want to make sure that we're result reserving right away across the front for a multi-use path a roll roll call vote okay District Two commissioner waitman District three commissioner starky I District Four commissioner Bradford District 5 commissioner Mariano I district one chairman Oakley I motion pass 5 but it's a consent item uh p62 is also a consent item that was 63 that was 63 because it was being continued yep so that took care of that's so we we're back to 61 and 62 the your consent agenda oh okay go back 61 okay so p61 was advertised Tampa Bay Times November 22nd 2023 and by affida of certified mailings and postings it was continued from the January 9th meeting to today p61 is Peg 24772 5 it's a zoning Amendment Lando Lakes 5241 mpud master plan unit development Sand Ridge commercial LLC and sr52 Williams LLC it's for a rezoning from an mpud master plan unit development and RMH mobile home District to an mpud master plan unit development to allow uh for the maximum development of13 ,000 squ ft of commercial Office 300 multif family dwelling units and 50 Town Homes this comes through with a recommendation of approval with conditions as included in your agenda packet which includes the live local act condition uh specifically um for the use for the uses and zoning and also for the advore and tax exemption and that's uh condition number 51 um again comes here with a recommendation of approval with conditions from the Planning Commission and the planning and economic growth Department okay is any this consent item is anyone here to speak against this item did I have there is no one signed up no one signed up nobody on WebEx correct okay the item will stay remain on consent move to p62 p62 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times January 24th 2024 and by affida of certified M and site postings p62 is p24 7765 it's a zon Amendment new Riv New River LTD Pasco H Corporation New River H for a change in zoning from a C2 General commercial District to an mf1 multiple family medium density District to um basically to develop the site with a maximum number of 140 Town Homes um that's within the voluntarily agreed upon deed restriction it also incorporates development standards from policy memo 26 which have to do with architectural uh standards monotony control and Landscaping comes with a recommendation of approval from the planning and devel planning and economic growth Department in the Planning Commission Mr chairman I want to pull this one you want okay all right that is pull that's the end of the consent agenda by roll call vote um you need a motion to approve the 61 is the only item on the 61 approval P 61 and consent second okay District Two commissioner waitman District three commissioner starky I District Four commissioner Bradford District Five commissioner

sorry District Five commissioner Mariano hi district one chairman Oakley I motion pass 5 go back to the pulled item p62 p62 yes Mr chairman um so the reason I pulled it is I looked at the Declaration of covenants conditions and restrictions and on Section number three it says the driveway width should be a maximum of 2 ft wider in total than the garage door withd this is something that we talked about at the commission level there's no room to the side you got to walk in your grass to get up and I wanted to see it to to be the maximum of four feet so you have two feet on both sides to make it easy for someone to be able get out of the car walk up the side and get out there to get into their house that was the first one second one um on V it says Town Home Products with one car garages you'll have one car driveways yeah well if you're going to have one person come visit you and let's face it most garages are going to get filled up with other stuff anyway there's going to be nowhere to park so and I thought we talked about having driveways long enough for two cars so why we put these conditions in I don't know but that's my objection to it I will tell you why and I'm happy to show you the pictures if I can find them here um and we went through this deal with the Tampa Bay Builders Association on what was the right amount of Pavement in front of these and if you have a onecar garage and two lanes of pavement it's just all Concrete in the front and I'll show you those pictures if you want to see them from The Preserve to remind you what they look like and they look like ghetto ghetto so what they're supposed to do is have pay uh parking uh accessory parking places around the property but this is why I don't like front-loaded Town Homes I don't I think they should be rear loaded but I'm going to I'll let them come up but I'm going to show your picture Okay M willhide or yes ma'am good afternoon Barbara will height 8627 Grand Boulevard Newport Richie I'll drop a um so PM 26 which is what you all adopted you been sworn yes I've been sworn thank you this is PM 26 which the board adopted after much deliberation and back and forth and balancing things with the tbba um that represent Builders I represent a property owner I held off we held off the property own is represented myself from moving this forward so you could settle on what you wanted um in p M 26 and so that we could adopt it into this resoning so I'd ask you not to retrade PM 26 on a site specific project especially when we have no Builder here we have no tvba here and these CH these changes do have ramifications if you want to visit PM 26 I would that's fine um but we we did everything right here and we're at the end of the end of the road and would ask you not to on this specific matter try to change PM 26 without having the right stakeholders in the room please Mr

chairman yes I'm fine to continue it but the discussions we had uh I'm sure we didn't agree on that we had length for for parking for not just one car but two cars this this Lang about this language is in many many documents that got approved M um it didn't make it up I did not make it up for this particular project this is language has been approved over and over since PM 26 was approved by board so the driveway is 26 ft is that what you're saying so the what it says is the driver should be a maximum of 2 feet wider and taller than the driveway door the garage door width that's what the language says yeah and there's a reason why and and I'm going to look for that photo right as I recall listening to the discussions it was that balance between green space and pavement and functionality and driveways and that's what I recall the conversation with uh the builders associations they worked long and hard on this I'll send the photo I'm going to who was it that I send it to what's her name Sonia Sonia this is what we don't want Sonia oh what sorry son Sonia nope I don't know why the the other Sonia is showing up what's your s there it is okay sending that to you just to remind you what we don't want and um Barbara do you have other parking spaces in the complex for guests again PM 26 covered all those items and so we we incorporated PM 26 we I do not have a builder and we represent myself and Mr burner represent um the property owner and we we've been at this for a while we held off many many multif family apartment developers and worked with uh to the point where we had the property commit to ploted town home so it's been quite a journey and then we held off to wait for PM 26 because we wanted to see you guys settled in on what your standards were for town homes so we tried to to uh do everything right here Mr chairman yes you know part of the reason for me with reservation we're going from commercial property to residential which generally goes against my flow yeah but when we when we looked at this and I know we had a discussion about the the impervious situation Etc how do you want to have it I wanted to give the flexibility to the Builder to be able to go if they wanted the extra 2 ft if they thought it was good for their product but as far as the length of the driveway would Vehicles come in we talked about trucks Etc you know we we talked about that so I don't know when this changed or why it didn't change but that was one of my strong concerns and I thought we' address at least the parking where it wasn't just going to be a one car thing I mean I just don't see where you're going to set it up this is a picture where this is what happens when when you have the um single car garage and two two lane driveway um it there's no place to put any land keeping that's

why theyve worked hard with the Tampa Bay Builders Association um and um others to come up with a plan that's quite specific on the ratios of Green Space to to um concrete so um May I add about the commercial so this land use has been changed to residential this is our fourth public hearing on this matter um our second one before you you did change the the land use to residential it was the zoning was what was called a um conflict zoning which means the C2 zoning preceded your comprehensive plan in the year 1990 and what the comp plan said was is it commercial or is it residential because you had a commercial zoning that preceded a residential land use in this case your comp plan said this is not the appropriate place for commercial and so we couldn't change it to commercial it had to be resid itial so the comp plan was changed to allow for this project um and that's gone to the the state and is effective now so that just wanted to remind you the history about the because I understand the issue with commercial when you see that but that's the history and again I'm aware of that Mr chairman but it's just a matter of again we're making a change what do we want to end up with here and I just don't want to see Park people parking on the street nowhere to go I mean I I I've lived that situ with my girls when they were up in Orlando and no one had a parking spot you had one car garage one spot and you had three girls living in the one in the apartment oh goodness I mean just didn't make any sense a one car garage one parking spot and then you got to go try to find a spot it was a battle all the time you know what I would suggest is maybe is is a if you have a onecar garage maybe you're have a limited you can't have three bedrooms I mean maybe or or but I'm not I'm not okay with concreting the whole front yard well that's the extreme that you're showing the picture of that's not going to happen even with what's in place now that is something we do want to prevent I've s I've seen that as well as we droving around but we're not going to get that anyway and the things we put in place are going to help to keep from getting that but again to me if you're going to be walking out of your little narrow driveway you're going to walk in your grass anyway it's going to be tough getting in and out anyway and give the build flexibility on that part but again I haven't seen anything satisfying as far as what what the parking situation is going to be well so what's this going to look like Terry have y'all it's not going to look like this picture right this project Commissioners this is why you did PM 26 this is why you spent all last year going debating and figuring out what you wanted to do for standards so that it wouldn't look like that I don't have a builder so I can't render for you but you did PM 26 spent a lot of time and we waited held this project back so that you could settle on that so that we could copy it verbatim into uh this deed

restriction so Terry what what's the solution here what we got anything written that tells us we got to have so much green space in in these products Mr chairman I mean yeah so you the planning department adopted yes the memo 26 PM 26 to address this scenario right as will height is representing that the deed restrictions reflect that memo commissioner Mariano doesn't wants to give them more flexibility than that or or once U I'll let him speak for himself but but what's before you fixes this picture it's my understanding that's correct the the memo F that memo fixes it it won't be to avoid this scenario we we work together with the board of County Commissioners and the industry and the planners and the planning uh department at the time to not repeat this by establishing these standards and in the standards of PM 26 which I think are outlined in the in the agenda memo as well there is a landscaping table that's provided therein to help guide the avoidance of what we see in this picture MH and so the dimensions that were crafted in that memorandum that are now incorporated into various deed restrictions and conditions of approval across uh many projects are these limitations on the final widths of driveways so that they don't over uh extend themselves and limit or make it impossible to install the Landscaping that we're also requiring so everything's been balanced and optimized in that sense with within PM 26 um just as a point of reference for this particular property or the subject property here it was always the case that the comprehensive plan had designated this as residential of future land use the recent comprehensive plan Amendment brought it to a res uh 6 uh designation we attempted to correct the flu so to speak to make it for commercial but none of the policies of the comprehensive plan would support the application of the commercial designation and so because it was already residential we maintained it and kept it as residential the board adopted uh that it makes it made sense to increase the density to resed six at the time because this is a major Frontage and this is where we tend to put uh more than single family detached in other words in this case town so that's why the PM 26 standards are included in this m m chairman yes so keep in mind I'm okay with going through with the zoning Etc as far as going to the residential part of it the way the property is situated it's got issues that are different so I'm okay with that I'm just making reference to it but look the flexibility to go from 2 feet to 4T is something I talked about a long time ago um and again the Town Home Products of onecar garages you could have a three-bedroom Place could be a two-bedroom place even right mhm you've got four people living there you're going to have one parking spot and one garage space it just doesn't work and

and I haven heard anything to say what's going to cover yeah I mean I don't mind continu it so we can have more discussion to it but I don't want to see this going especially with that condition number five are there any other spaces for this Extra Spaces yeah how many in this what's the rate so you guys Commissioners I don't have a builder or you don't have a builder I do not have a builder I have a property owner um and we have again we waited for you to do PM 26 all of those things were debated and you settled on PM 26 you've approved until this moment projects with these exact same standards in them many of them since PM 26 so I can't help you today I and I would ask you if you all wanted to go back and look at pm 26 you can do so but it's really not fair to this client that this one gets picked to debate PM 26 this is this is a ukian straight zoning so it defaults to whatever your Land Development code requirements are or this PM 26 which is sort of above the Land Development code in that but but it's the same parking requir IR IR Ms that you would require of this of this type right and if they only have one spot in front of their their town home and it require and I don't know the requirements Liam may know the requirements are Terry off the top of their head but if it requires one and a half spaces or two spaces that's what you've set as the as the requirement and they're going to have to make it up someplace on the site if there's only one one spot in front of the right front of the town we took care of that by requiring certain amount of other spaces within a development in that memo are you guys trying to find that is that what's going on over there no we were just checking the parking against Land Development I I don't know how to get the little man to drop onto the road anymore and bring up the views the street views it's like went away but um you know we we addressed all this stuff and we addressed the extra parking cuz I I I get it and if they there's not enough then they're blocking the sidewalk and I'm telling you the solution to all this is a rear loaded Town Homes it really is go with me there let's just do rear loaded Town Homes wouldn't have this problem cuz they can pack Park multiple cars in the back and then they can park a car on the street slows the traffic down it's safer for everybody and they look much better again Mr chairman I think we discussed the park I'm a little concerned staff doesn't have the answers first and if if this is way it's going through again I wanted to see the flexibility from the get-go I don't recall it ever coming back to it to say we're not going to do the flexibility I know the parking was a big issue and I don't think from the sound of it from Steph I don't see it get it's resolved maybe there's something more Comon all right Terry Mr chairman for the parking

uh question uh if you have a twocc car garage on the unit you'll have you'll have two cars able to park in the garage two cars to park on the driveway that's four cars total the Land Development clod for uh Town Homes is or single family attached units um is two spaces per unit so that those two spaces could be in the garage and you'll have another two spaces on the driveway too depending on the length of that driveway um all of that would be deliberated and considered at the time of site plan review uh so that whatever is proposed must meet the parking requirements of the Land Development code they won't be able to do a variance per se on on the parking requirements Mr chairman yes he's not answering the question the question comes to number five what about the Town Home Products with a one car garage she'll have one car driveways that's the issue not a two-car one one car in the one car scenario you would have you're still required two per unit so it would be one car in the garage one car on the driveway two what if I have three people living there or four people living there where are they going to park I don't I don't think we manage that part but but I'm saying that it was discussion that came up with this board and I gave this specific example my daughter's living in the three-bedroom one car garage so you had the one parking spot in the garage the one parking spot in the driveway and someone had to run around trying to find a spot and when someone had to leave if someone the car is in the garage the other person had to come out move the car and go it's a disaster moving up and down the streets were super narrow too there was nowhere to park I mean literally we going to create that in a in a college town yeah yeah but it doesn't matter what it's called where I lived before in the states for King you would have like a three or four bedroomroom apartment you'd have five or six cars so it's um it's strange how you know you gather everybody's being sub so all these guys or college students wh they work work they all live together but it's a disaster for us parking so and they end up parking in the streets it's hard to go down the streets but I don't know how you correct that yeah you cannot correct that with a front loaded Town Hall you can't yes you can you can't put six parking spaces in front of a two-car garage what four huh then the whole thing is the whole front yard is concrete yeah you can't do it it's they got to park somewhere yeah they got to make some extra parking spaces or if you have six people in a three-bedroom town home you shouldn't be living there they end up to many people anyway shouldn't be allowed to have that many cars Mr chairman there is we can't we can't fix that problem can't judge that there is a code requirement for visitor parking too it's 0.25 spaces per unit for visitor parking now we we have worked with various town home developments at the site plan review

Bradford District 5 commissioner Mariano Nate district one chairman Oakley I motion pass 41 move on to um p64 64 did we do 63 we did 63 we did okay yes sir all right 64 okay p64 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times October 18th 2023 it was continued from January 9 to today okay good afternoon Commissioners Denise Hernandez planning planning and economic growth item p64 is pg24 7744 it's a zoning Amendment davew Hanny and Nema toer me for a change in zoning from an R3 high medium density residential district and C1 neighborhood commercial District to a C2 General commercial district with several voluntarily agreed upon deed restrictions which are included in your agenda packet under finding of fact number two which includes some of the following um the applicant has um agreed to prohibit direct and indirect access to Waverly Avenue um installing a 6 foot high block wall along the W along Waverly Avenue and along that portion of Shaw Avenue that a buts residential zoning District um at the time of preliminary site plan um also Alo including some um additional buffering which includes a shade tree every 20 ft between the block wall and Waverly Avenue and between the block wall in that portion of Shaw Avenue that a puts residential zoning District then also limiting hours of operation from 7:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m. Monday through Saturday being closed on Sunday having a 25ft setback provided along South front property line facing Waverly Avenue uh not having any Overhead Doors facing wly Avenue and of course also including the live local Act um deed restriction that specifically states that the uses will be those uses uh that are consistent with C2 also prohibiting certain uses which um include car washes gas stations drive-through restaurants self storage facility freestanding recreational vehicle and boat storage and C2 General commercial District conditional uses and special exception uses comes to with a recommendation of approval from the planning and economic growth department and the Planning Commission um I do not see anyone here signed up to speak um it was on regular because there were some concerns uh which possibly have been addressed through the voluntarily agreed upon deed restrictions if you would please call for public comment okay does anyone signed up to speak to this item so um someone has signed up but it does not look like he is online correct Mr Peppers correct okay so no one is no one's here to speak no one's here to speak anybody in the audience wish to speak this item see no one pleas the yes I want to say I think staff did a good job with this I mean C2 is all around it so I think they did good listen to the neighborhood so for them not to show means we done great work so yeah the applicant was willing to to agree to De to the voluntarily agree upon deed restrictions and the Planning Commission really did a great job appreciate that getting to that point question um I listened to the

Planning Commission meeting on this was this your did you have two of them or one Planning Commission we had one Planning Commission meeting it's been so was continued at one point in time so yes and but there were some deed code violations around there code violations on you may know Liam might know more information on that so there was um code violations on the adjacent property Li Divine planning and economic growth Department um there were some um code violations the property owner actually owns an adjacent property um that had code violations and he was cited for that and has is going through the process of correcting those violations state your name so I I'm looking at I didn't hear you and I'm looking I know who he is like what road is that that 54 is it on 54 I'm looking up 54 at that the building with the orange roof yeah is that his property who property that's his property but that property is not included in the subject rezoning okay but how did how did he concrete the whole thing so that would be for his adjacent property he could speak to that but that's not really I just someone needs to look at that because you're not I mean the whole front the whole front of that commercial piece is concrete from side to side so I'm just curious um just want to call that out to someone to look at um it just bothers me when people come in and do things against our rules and um I guess that's the subject for another dat but yeah um I do appreciate that someone at the Planning Commission lots of times it's John um points out code violations around property that we're looking at and and I hope that when he does that someone alerts code um or minimum housing or someone and they go out and do take a look at it that it doesn't just fall on depth ears because they don't all have to come from Commissioners offices they should anyone can turn in code violations but I'm looking at a building that paved the whole front yard uh right down right next to it so okay there I have a motion on the floor to approve second so and that's the primary motion to Zone it to C2 so you've got three motions on this in this particular one but I you're you're it's the primary motion which is to reone to C2 just for clarity so yes sorry if I if I may um there were provided alternative motions um since this was a little bit of a controversal item at Planning Commission staff provided alternative motions um I don't know if you want me to go through the alternative motions but staff is recommending approval is I just want for the record that the motion that the commissioner is making is to rezone it to C2 which is alternative motion one which is the which is the primary motion not the Alternatives yeah we got a motion in a second by roll call vote District Two commissioner waitman District three commissioner starky hi District Four commissioner Bradford District 5 commissioner Mariano I

district one chairman Oakley I motion pass 5 Z that ends the public hearing items um all we have live is old business except you wanted to discuss one item so well well I wanted to discuss a philosophy and suggest that maybe um we Workshop it um I just I know that when uh a multifam developer or whatever comes into my office and I I know that you do this commissioner wait um I really try and um encourage a better site plan that um adds some value to the community around it because we don't we've just been approving these apartments with no thought to the connectivity or or how it affects um sometimes the community around it and and you know we've done we've approved so many makes me nervous um and it just I just want them to be the best they can be within the parameters that we have and I I do feel bad when um someone's come in with engineered or you know engineered l layouts and I know that the applicant has spent a lot of money and time coming up with a fit plan um my husband calls them and and then based on what each one of us tell them they start going back to the drawing board so I just wondered if it made sense for us to um Workshop or discuss what we're looking for and uh so that people like Barbara or anyone who's got a client they can I think they they can kind of direct them to hey you just plop this stuff down they're not going to prove it for example Fletcher if you saw the one by the airport with all the town uh apartments in the front the town homes in the back there is nothing redeeming about that plan and there is no way I'm going to vote for that like that um I it's just how many units can you fit on a piece of property in MA maximize the value of the property without any thought to quality of life for anyone living in there or around it and um so I just personally am trying to be a lot more thoughtful about what these look and feel like and I wanted to share that with you cuz I don't know what you're doing in your meetings because we have Sunshine um but that's what I'm doing in mine so I'm just going to throw that out there with I'll I'll jump in you my M here the uh I'm highly bar multicam project comes in our office we pretty critical yeah same and uh I I challenge them you know what you what's the amenities going what's going to bring the quality of life where's the you know an opportunity for entrepreneurship to occur and that was really the driving force behind the project we saw last meeting on island yeah that was a good one yeah and and and it was nice to have the developer there who was genuinely listened um and worked through when we must have met half a dozen times probably going back and forth and know I was pretty Frank with him kick told him kick rocks a number a number of times uh but they kept coming back wanted to be a good partner and they came up with

something unique and I'm hoping that that project's the Catalyst right which I things we brought up this conversation to what's our identity what's our multif family style living what's our identity what do we want to see in Pasco moving forward so um I'd be welcome to a workshop and bring in stakeholders and maybe see what's around the rest around working around the rest of the country and find something that that fits that fits for us I mean our residents come to us every day they're looking for amenities all day of life and it's an opportunity with that many folks coming into an area to create you know a nice ecosystem we we certainly don't want to build a community where they have to get in their car and go somewhere to do anything um and I keep or I'm going to keep I keep having the Planters pull up the one on island I keep the book from I never remember the name of it the something Village Pasadena Village I don't know uh the one that um Mr Landis did uh where it has the Village Green and the commercial properties overlooking the Village Green and then there's apartments and then there's town homes around that I keep that site plan in my office I'm going to keep the island one I might um pull out the one that we did at um in Odessa where they put the two restaurants kind of like what they did on island but much tight a tighter piece of land with a little green space in between um and a walkway to the back I mean I think we should have some good examples of what we're looking for and and that's we just canect we don't have to approve these so if they want to come in with multif family and town home we can require a better product Mr chairman I also don't think they should be stuck all the way up and down are you going to shut me down no I'm not going to shut you down I'm I am going to make a pitch that it's probably been five years since I've made which is most of what is coming before you is ukian is straight zoning we are now starting to get into a position of putting deed restrictions on ukian zoning to rule out things that we don't want in a particular zoning classification the issues that both in the conversation on the town homes and and the and what you're bringing up is they are areas where if you refined your code they could the the developers would have to comply with those changes I mean number parking spaces Green Space design all that sort of thing are things that you can put in your straight zoning categories and in your PD categories but but especially in the straight zoning categories and get you to where you're not having to have meetings to impose your will on them it's certainty and it's it's what's your code requires and it's practicality and certainty that they can that they can see this is your

expectation when they come in to do business in Pasco County and so that's the pitch from your lawyer that I've not made in a couple of years so I'm trying I like it I mean right I think it's appropriate that we that we tighten these things up Mr chairman yes sir so I agree the certainty is is a good thing and uh Mr County attorney thank for bringing that again cuz I think it is something we should put in um you know the difficulty with that previous zoning we had literally we discussed it I thought we had pretty well resolved all but one the the first one but I don't see anything addressing you know the things we're concerned about what's going to happen so I think that needs to come back let's go review that and let's go look at AR zoning what do we really want from these things as far as the apartment conversation Everywhere I Go they say too many apartmentss we've got way too many and we granted them we didn't have to Saddlebrook we could even force that off to the side wouldn't affected directly in there 7 Oaks didn't have to do that one overpass I know we're fighting that because there's even more pressure coming up I we got some meetings coming up I know I do um we were just studied recently I think connected cities had done commissioned the study to do it to study how are we doing on Commercial development and I'm happy to say we're going to in very short period of time David is going to probably do the presentation if not the next meeting the meeting after we're actually the number one commercial producing county in the state of Florida wow and that's done with the infrastructure we put in place and I think the incentives to go along with it and this board pushing for good commercial development so we we've done a lot of good stuff but we got to watch what's going to come up next and again the citizens I'm talking to especially Trinity Wesley Chapel they see enough they don't need more I mean 19 we could probably use a few for if they're affordable not with all the amenities in the world but true affordable uh units there's some use for it but especially the Wesley Chapel Trinity area 41 there's in 41's a concern like we did one today but that already had density in it and I'm glad that they actually took some of the apartments out and put town homes in it and kept the commercial locked in and they're working real close with us to make a north south Connector Road that's going to help with the traffic flow so that type of thing working with them you know that's a good thing but it's definitely something we need to keep an eye out for um I thought we had asked for a study of what we a map of approved apartment or multif family sites do we have that yet I mean I in a way whenever we approve one we should see what's around you know it's it's hard hard sometimes to see it in context to what's around it I'm not yeah and I I think that we we need to have that kind of map good afternoon David Engel planning and economic growth

director so the board's conversation today is music to our ears and we heard you loud and clear when you had to conducted a workshop and discussed land use and expectations so since I've been the director of the department now it's about four weeks we've already Pro proactively engag developers trying to come up with better outcomes on developments I'll give you an example Go's Corner was a Clark hobi project next door was Barbara will Height's project 4152 they weren't plop and drops we actually asked the two attorneys to get together with their developers and integrate these facilities into one holistic community so we're building communities not cut and paste development so the retail the situation of multif family tucked away behind uh open space and wetlands and things like that would thoughtfully designed so um as uh you'll probably hear some of the attorneys are being we reach out to them we ask them to sit down and if you look at most of our actions we basically are your board is in a discretionary position because it's either a rezone request for ukan zoning or a comp plan plan Amendment so that gives us the latitude to come up with better outcomes in a collaborative fashion so we're doing that as far as the entitlement study uh the board had requested that we do connected City and Bop and those studies are coming to a close and we're also working on a countywide entitlement study uh also looking behind the curtain at planning and economic growth we are working on performance standards for like tnd form based zoning depending on where it is in the county and other mechanisms to have much more collaborative beneficial development because we only have one crack at the Apple we can't you know once something in the ground is there 50 to 60 years plus so we take your guidance seriously and we are moving forward um that leads me to say something else I'm telling them when they come in and a lot of times you see the apartments in the back and commercial in the front and it's it's a fast food with the parking lot fast food with parking lot fast through the parking lot I don't want to do that to any more roads than what we did to 54 it's not a good development plan at all so um I don't know what the answer is I'm not a planner but I know I know when I don't like something and that is what I don't like I don't know I don't think I don't like it we shouldn't copy it again again we we hear you and I'll give you another example U Barbara here bar Barbara brought in a commercial development on state 52 near marada and we actually created a neighborhood commercial embedded in the center not on the periphery with with walkability and access so we are moving away from strip commercial to more thoughtful commercial being integrated in a walkable Community secondly uh we are holding collaborative sessions now with our Land Development community on drive-through restaurants on car washes

so we're moving forward and uh we provided uh the County Administrator and our ACA uh board priority projects with delivery dates and we'll be adding to it for tnd and some of the other things we're working on so I want to throw out to you all um an invitation I'm going to go um there's something called the Congress for new urbanism my brother-in-law's been on the board for years and um their annual meeting is in um Cincinnati and I will have my assistant email to you the different breakouts that you go on and you literally go and you go and see a part of the neighborhood out you know around around that area that used the form based code and what it did for them um rear loaded neighborhoods uh there's all different I couldn't believe all the very interesting um field trips that you go on and so it's in I think it's in April I I don't remember the dates right now but I'm going to go and I'd love for more of y'all to go um I'm trying to get the County Administrator go love for you to go who whoever and you know when we went to Bentonville it really opened our eyes to um what what more can be done with with trails and we're bringing back some of those ideas and Keith will explain to you one of his big projects that's coming when when it's ready for him to explain um but when you can go and see what communities have done that we say we want to do it's it's powerful so I would invite you to go um I I think it's really important that these things get fixed sooner rather than later because we're just we're so busy and we're we're approving things and I know we want to improve them in a in a better way and I think I think we pretty much are all on the same page on most of the stuff so which I'm grateful for because from what I hear a lot of counties are not like this yeah we get what D said is we're we're moving toward what you're talking about so quickly yeah CU it's fast moving it's coming quicker yes sir Mr chairman yes sir there was an item I wanted to bring up but uh it's not too late it's only 247 just it' be kind of a quick one and I don't need need decision on it today but just I just going to throw throw it out there because it was brought to me as uh commissioner waitman had brought up the Surplus lands about should we go a nonprofit should we go otherwise and I don't think I I made this point clear enough and I know it was like was a longer day so maybe just didn't sink in and we did make a decision but we can't reconsider but I just want to throw it out there the thought was to a contractor that I talked to that was interested in buying some properties I said well we're looking at this discussion now hang on the discussion went pretty much well let me ask you this if you're going to go put this stuff out for bid if you let everybody bid on it let's say a nonprofit May $1,000 you may get a profit one to say I'm going to bid

$20,000 you may get a situation where you owe in fees that were that are owed like $5,000 that you're not going to collect from the nonprofit for $1,000 but you'd be able to collect that money for the profit is it something you guys were the motion in the majority you consider should we throw it out there to let the profit and nonprofit and then make a decision once we look at the offers what we want to do cuz if it's so close you could say let the nonprofit have it but if it's a big gap and the the profits going to pay more money we can pay off some of the debts that we've going to have to pay somebody do we want to consider that and here here's why I would say no um and and we're talking about 10 a year may I don't even know if we could do 10 a year but um how many five to 10 five five year um they already have an opportunity to go buy it before it comes us CU it's coming to us because they didn't pay their taxes so they have that opportunity already go do your homework um but when it comes to us it's our ability to help a nonprofit put something out uh that helps a family begin a journey of home ownership so I think that is part of our responsibility to help people get home ownership and so it's very little skin off our back back but it helps these nonprofits build these homes which we have already put in the rule that has to go to someone who has an income restriction so I think that's a noble project and I think not doing projects like that is what brought us live local you know nimbyism turning down a a uh a project we had a we had one at be Creek that would have been wonderful um the units were nicer than the houses around it in some cases um but we voted it down and and so we I think that study is going to show we we have a a problem when it gets to the lower income people of of being able to find something that's affordable and I think that's a noble thing to have five lots a year go to help someone build a house for someone whose income challenged also we control more of what kind of product they put in there if it's if it's just someone buying a lot they could put a mobile home on there a used mobile home or something and not improve that neighborhood so the other thing this does in my opinion is starts to restabilize a neighborhood so that's why I would I don't want to go down that path okay just wanted to bring it up okay still time yeah all right we'll move uh we're going to keep working on you guys yeah we'll move to uh back to ordinary business and I think Mr cabal is that thank you Mr chair just one item we were approached by the town of St Leo uh they had an immediate need for Fire and Life Safety permitting plan review and inspections uh so um I am asking the board to approve ratify and confirm uh my actions of entering into an interlocal agreement with the town uh for a period of 6 months to provide those Services they would pay us our our

normal fees as though any other any other developer would would pay but it helps provide them uh those Services until they're able to sort things out on their end right and in addition to that if you would add the city authorizing the administrator to sign for this the same agreement for the city of Dade City who um is also in in the market for we've got one of those coming as well yeah thank you Jeff did you want to talk about the March 22nd [Music] meeting isn't that get I'd like to get a motion on get that one done while I figure out what's going on move got a motion a second by roll call vote District Two commissioner waitman District three commissioner starky hi District Four commissioner Bradford District 5 commissioner Mariano I district one chairman Oakley I motion pass 5 Z okay don't we want to shout out to that meeting about that meeting so this is the Tampa Bay Regional planning Council Pas County departmental and municipalities recovery listening SST listening session that's Dr bis's deal and yeah Mark are you you're not here it's going to be it's going to be at 9:00 a.m. it's in our EOC I believe yes and um yeah that's going to be where all the different federal agencies are going to be there um and talk about all the money they have for our projects and they want to hear good ideas on projects yes and so we will we will be participating in that and um it's going to be a hoop that's all sir that's all you have yes sir okay Mr Ste no thank you no thank you no thank you I have no comments that's a little too long so yes you have something no sir oh my gosh moving along today yall moving right along Yeah final uh I have a few items uh February 23rd I attended the engine 16 push in at State Road 54 in zeph Hills um on that day there we go we're pushing that truck in thank thank goodness we're a driver and the engine that works but uh very nice P was almost million dollar trucks in so but the next one we went over to uh just off 41 to station 28 and had a ribbon cutting ceremony and we uh were able to rededicate this station uh it's the first time it's had a what they call it a um this is the one on 41 yes no h Road just off 4 off a hail road yeah yeah but the rededication the fact they have uh officers there that are working for living there rather than volunteers they used to all be volunteer and and um the fact of it is uh this station within this past year since they've opened that back up has done 900 calls yeah I was going to add to that it's within uh two other stations within yeah it the gap of the service area M yeah splits the gap of the service area so it was a great idea uh by Chief Perez and the team to to

Really identify ways to improve response time and so by reusing this asset we we've been able to to do that in the land Lakes area so right and while we there waiting on the ribbon cutting and doing what we were doing there they had a call that both um both EMS and and the fire engine went out on the call they later the fire engine came back in the um mems They Carried a person to the hospital then they finally come back in and when right before we were going to leave they had uh two calls they went on separate ways the engine went one way for man not breathing and then the ambulance ambulance going the other way for another they're on the road every time I'm driving around every they're always working so but that fatality on 52 last week my brother watched the whole thing where that car pulled out got T-boned from that neighborhood apparently that's a very dangerous intersection we need to look at it looking on online uh do you I think that's your District do you know the intersection where that fatality was where it's on 52 somewhere near Bellamy brothers um I I'll look on my map here but and looking online it said there were there would had just been another fatality at that intersectionality on B brothers so oh they've had some it made me think that we really need to look at this intersection a huge yeah there's a lot of people I think it's even Citrus County and Hernando County coming down into our County and we're looking we're looking into safety Improvement a long Bellamy BR we're working on those I've had a meeting out there actually about 100 people in the community attended that meeting um and Branford and his team is working on on issues for safety um reached out the sheriff's department they put out a a traffic speed alarm where it will it actually counts traffic but it counts the speed of the traffic so um we're I think one of the things for safety we're going to make it where nonp pass Zone cuz the accidents we've had lately have been where cars are passing and then someone turn on to the road in front of them and head on collision so they got to do so you know there's major things that need to be done Mr yep so on that note you know driving down the road is pretty tight we've got a big Development coming in yeah I don't know if we're designing to make that road wider well we are looking at that as a an end result but uh we're trying to do what we can first to do safety reasons first and answer those but eventually one day we're talking about a rebuild of that entire road cuz on down the way it's it's not very wide it's a real road and it it needs to be widened and and uh going on till it hits Hernando County so but that's in the future and that's something we've really been needing to look at it has soft shoulders on uh as you get on down down past Johnson Road in there around the bartha ranch and all they have there's been several accidents down in around those curves and people are are passing

where they shouldn't be passing I mean even though it allows you to there's too much traffic there anymore for them to be passing and be safe uh I attended a workshop down at D City this past week spoke for the Evans family for a mixed use uh development piece out here at U where the public it says and it was a storage unit but the city council in D city were seeming to have a issue with the fact they thought this building was just a standalone but in fact they didn't realize that the entire 80 acres was a part of uh the Public's mixed use cuz it's got a Burger King it's got a bank and then of course the storage unit coming but some of the Commissioners a couple of them are new and they're trying to understand things um there and and they have never done it before so they don't quite understand sometimes that I've talked to the city manager and hopefully they'll get some more training because they need some of that training to make good decisions for the city they they've annexed a bunch of property into the City and they can't be uh naysayers and say no to every all the growth is coming because in a sense they they did it themselves when they Annex property in so people are coming and the growth's going to happen so there'll be a lot of good things coming of it but this uh storage facility be a nice building doesn't pays good aalon tax to the city which they need and uh not much traffic Forest Police or anything else that would cause them to have to pay a lot of services for it but it's a good product and then I hope the sighting isn't uh I hope the the site plan is something that's not like what we've done on 54 I hope it's improved well this is not on the road it's not on it's not facing out on Clinton Avenue or anything it's back into the development so um next on uh I visited the Tropical Acres EST States again saw that the U fdot had U widen up the time limit on on 56 and 301 to release traffic there for a longer period of time and also back uh at the other light toward 39 they or Chanty excuse me chy road they've done the same there and it made that traffic kind of spread out and it it's better than it was but they were having people killed coming out of Florida uh Tropical Acres in that property uh try just trying to get out on the road and and go to Zer Hills and eventually there's a light coming there and fdot has been working with me to uh make the is out there much better until we get that light there so and hopefully within this next year we'll have that light which will help that Community right there next thing was uh and chief Perez attended with me because the first time I went out about a month ago um there was a lot of questions about fire service and and how they were handling their fire their calls for their in their park so and he answered those and uh it was it went very the meeting went went very well so uh March 5th we held a joint workshop with Newport Richie and Port Richie

um I was I was actually ecstatic the fact that PT Richie came and uh most everybody came but one or two parties but um and I think it was a very good meeting that we had everybody was uh that room was not one-sided like it has been the last two years prior to that when we didn't have Fort Richie being a part of it so I think they're changing and they're going to be working and do the best for poor Richie so I look forward to that so but um and what else we got here oh uh we had an invest invest invest H investure an attorney would know that for the uh new judge uh new NY and it was well attended uh basically almost standing room only when if you hadn't gotten there early so the room was full and uh very well done and uh and of the understanding he's been working for 6 months prior to this and everyone spoke very well of the work he was doing was very good so all right that's all I have so anything else any want to bring up hold now y'all realize it's only 5 after 3 I got meetings tday I'm good but April 10th is going to be a lot later we're [Music] jour [Music] Wildlife depend on you to keep them healthy excess fertilizer grass clippings trash oils and pet waste wash into gutters and storm drains when it rains storm water carries these pollut directly into our lakes and rivers creating