1.09.24 Pasco Board of County Commissioners Meeting (Afternoon Session)

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he [Music] 2024 um I will now turn it up due to weather issues and all I'll turn it over to our County Administrator because we have an action we need to take prior to going into our public hearings thank you Mr chair I've uh had a conversation with our emergency manager Chief Andy FAA and the state is declared a state of emergency which includes Pasco County as as a result of this low pressure system uh that is coming through the area uh and it is his recommendation that we follow suit and declare a local state of emergency we are already receiving reports of wind damage pre-storm and with the great possibility of flooding we believe it's in the County's best interest and its citizens to declare a local state of emergency I've confirmed with attorney Stein Snider we've prepared a local state of emergency resolution there for you um to to consider but I would ask that the board Grant this at this time yes chair yes sir while we did not pass out the resolution to the board members um it is resolution 24- 053 a resolution by the board of County commissioners of Pasco County Florida declaring eight thank you resolution by the board of County commissioners of Pasco County Florida declaring a state of local emergency related to the unnamed low pressure system um the the resolution mirrors those that you have issued in the past um the first whereas Clause is the one that that would be different whereas the governor of the state of Florida has issued executive order number 24-3 on January 9th 20124 declaring a state of emergency exists for certain counties in the State of Florida due to the forecast models for enhanced risk of severe weather across Northern Florida including Pasco County here and after referred to as the event um as the administrator said the county attorney and and the administrator would recommend that you adopt resolution number 24- 053 approve second I got a motion a second all those in favor say I I I'll oppose like sign motion pass 5 Z and we're going to because of the weather we're going to take um item r49 before we do public comment because we have staff here that can leave and go back to the other side to where their hes are based on this storm coming in so quickly yes sir good afternoon Commissioners Jeffrey mckitrick with Community Development assistant director and I have before you an ordinance to introduce as he's pulling that up U we have ordinance to revise our affordable housing advisory committee and this is a technical revision just to get us in compliance with state law and so we receive ship funding which is State Housing Initiative partnership each year through the state and as part of those funds we are required to have the affordable housing advisory committee the current ordinance is from 2008 and it is in conflict with current state law so this ordinance will revise

to consist of 8 to 11 members appointed by resolution by the board of County Commissioners with a specified term and the commission or the committee will meet at least by anually and submit annually a report to the board of County Commissioners the current ordinance as I said is a uh eight members and or correction 11 members we're going to change that to be between 8 and 11 and then they were required to submit a report to the board Tri anually that will now go to annually and so basically the duties is to revive or to uh review established policies and procedures ordinances that relate to affordable housing and to recommend specific incentives that may facilitate affordable housing while also protecting the value of the property Additionally the committee is tasked with doing an annual report that also must go to the state Housing Coalition each year and the advisory committee can recommend incentives um there's a list of them that they are mandated to look at and to make recommendations on again those are just recommendations to you um they can also look at other incentives that may help with affordable housing so with your approval we'll set this for an ordinance uh or for a public hearing February 6th back here at dat City and then we will prepare a resolution to appoint members to to the committee and that will occur February 20th and the ahck will then begin meeting in March and have a couple three meetings probably in a public hearing and then bring it back to the board in June with the actual report to recommend any incentives for affordable housing that's basically all I have question move to approve got a motion in a second all those in favor say I I I any oppose all right 0 pass thank you okay that's done um now we're going to go into the public hearing area uh I'd like to remind the board that uh we got bad weather coming and sooner we can go through these process with the your voice being heard is the best thing we can do and it's kind of unusual always before I've been um the chairman this is the third time I've never been chairman all my previous times with so many items that are in district one so today we might have about we took bets on that didn't we have 25 we have probably 25 of the 29 or so items today in District One normally I would be sitting in my seat and I would make those motions and move them forward so so I have to depend on uh my Commissioners being prepared and making motions in seconds so we can get through in time so everyone can leave and be home before this terrible rain comes so okay with that Terry um P51 I guess it is yes P51 okay P P-51 was advertised in a Tampa Bay Times November 22nd 2023 and by affida certified mailings and site postings thank you Mr chairman nario PTO Planning Development director item P51 is an ordinance amending the PES County comprehensive plan providing for a small

scale CER of plan Amendment to the Future landage map M and Sheet 23 from Comm commercial to PD plan development on approximately 26.1 Acres of real property located east of US 301 at the Northeast intersection of US 301 G Boulevard and ran River way and a text Amendment creating sub policy flu 7177 301 East and map Amendment to the future language map 2-9 adding Subara map 2977 301 East and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for consistency providing for repeat cability and effective date and this is a request to continue to a date uncertain okay do we have to have a motion for move move the continuance to a date un date uncertain okay second all right I got a motion in a second all those in favor say I I I'll oppose like sign uh 5 pass move on to p52 uh p52 is advertised in Tampa Bay Times November 22nd 2023 item p52 is in ordinance amending the pony comprehensive fund providing for a small scale comprensive fund Amendment to the Future Landing map 2-15 and ch14 home Res three residential three dwellings per gross acre to Red six residential six dwelling units per gross acre and approximately 18.36% real property located at the northeast corner of Old Pasco Road and headlock drive and an amendment to the Future Landing map series map 2-13 rural areas removing the subject parcel from the rural neighborhood protection area area 4 and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for repealer cability and effective date and this is a request to continue to a DAT well this is from last year I don't what's going have it I'm going be in continue okay I have uh uh Mr Stein Steiner I have someone sign up speak to this normally if it's being continu 52 was shown as a continuance it is not normal to for you to take public comment on right youve advertised as a continu okay I got a motion second and a second all those in favor say I I all oppos like sign hear none passes 5 move on on to p53 uh p-53 was not noticed for this meeting it will be continued to a future meeting and be Ren noticed so if it wasn't noticed we don't have to have any motion it would no it it needs well um mine says continuance requested I'm assuming that they did other have they done other notice for the project there was other notice for the um planning commission and Bop so that the board meeting hadn't been set when these went forward okay and an abundance of caution move move that it be continued to January 23rd January January 23rd at30 or soon there after accept county attorney's motion second motion second all those in favor say I I all oppos like sign motion pass 5 move on to p54 uh again p54 was not noticed and will be continued to a future meeting and be Reen noticed same thing so move the item be continued to the January

uh on the map that I saw but when I look at it it it um it doesn't look like it's under FPL ownership but um Florida power or Florida Power I know it says FPL on the map that I was shown yesterday which doesn't make sense not there service territory but that's South Florida I think or other parts of Florida but I just want to you know I don't know what the master plan for connectivity of trails is in this area but there there are a lot of people moving in here and we should be doing something and so when I see a corridor like that um is there a trail there somewhere already that you're talking I have no idea I I don't know if staff could show me what the planned opportunities are in this area um there's one along state road 56 but I know nothing about what's going on on State Road 54 there are trails that are planned for uh chansy road which is further I saw that in the narrative on the one that just passed before and then just East but you have to be able to get there yes just west of this site at Fox Ridge Boulevard which is uh that would connect up to I'm looking at this correctly here thank you so it just might be good for you to have a meeting with people people um commissioner waitman and at the county and look at what opportunities might exist and keep an eye on it before everything's gone um to appreciate that but this this power line need Terry this is from monor saying that's that's set it's what no no you can go so ju Duke is difficult to put a a trail in but my understanding is the other ones aren't and when I look up the ownership on Pasco property appraisers site that one of those easements was owned by the homeowners association of Ashton whatever and I think that this one the one to the east is owned by the developer or the landowner yes so um just saying more thought should be going into the region or some some plan and here's an opportunity yeah there something you have to ask Terry the companion reone is not on today's agenda is it uh I don't believe so then then this discussion can can be had when when you're not in the comp plan stage but at the reone stage on theala we don't it's it's not really affected today I'm just okay bringing it to your attention on this opportunity all right uh entertain a motion second and this roll call vote okay District Two commissioner waitman hi District three commissioner starky hi District Four commissioner Bradford hi District 5 commissioner Mariano hi district one chairman opy I motion pass 5 move on to P57 P57 is advertising the Tampa Bay Times August 2 2023 and by affid of certified mailings and site postings uh this item is an ordinance amending the Pas count comprehensive plan providing for taex and table

revisions for The Villages of Pasadena Hills Bop comprehensive plan go flu six allow increase of land area and Village cores of villages B and C increase maximum residential conversions and add conditions to transfer unused densities to Village cores and providing for additional Tex amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for raler cability and an effective date this comes to the board of County Commissioners with recommendations for approval and Adoption of the ordinance by ro call Bo Mr chairman yes question Terry so I'm I'm glad we're doing this and I I know staff's going to be in control of how it gets allocated are you going to also include infrastructure conditions that might not generally be put in place to make sure they're going to be in place like Trails out in front and and kind of work those in so you can stretch that dent Ste somewhere else that you've got the capacity to stretch out the trails whatever else to connect yeah the the typical conditions that we would have for development for trails and making sure that they have the capacity to service the development they'll be there um these these uh amendments here are to essentially increase the amount of allowable land designated as Village Center so your the VP plan currently constricts the Village Center to be 25% of the whole village and this will increase that Village Center to 35% and so yes those uh that infrastructure will also um expand into that additional 10% we're adding okay I don't have anyone sign I have some questions hey I'm all for you know the increased densities to help the villages be viable but I I have a a question I asked this of the administrator when we were meeting yesterday my my fear is that we're going to have an apartment complex then an apartment complex and then an apartment complex and they all have their own entrances and you can't get it's just apartment complex apart instead of it it is it designed so there's a road Network and and there's just density in front of those roads or is it just little self-contained apartment complexes lining the roads cuz that's not a really a village well uh it's hard to speak to it theoretically um but we have worked on projects in the county where we line the roads with the multif family apartment buildings um and the roads contiguous and you and so you see what I'm I'm nervous about yeah so a lot of that is covered in the Mudd negotiations that we uh that we do identify yourself for the record please I'm so sorry I'm Gavin Kobe Planning Development um so a lot of that is handled during the mpud stage um we negotiate with the applicants to make sure that we're getting our village centers and not just apartment complex apartment complex apartment complex and our Master roadway plan make sure that we have our village centers have those large sidewalks with the zero setbacks

and all that stuff for the commercial buildings and stuff as well so yeah all that is kind of handled at the the zoning phase um we worked on this with um Mr Tu when we did the Odessa Village overlay plan or whatever we call it um the apartment complex has Road like interior roads going through it and the apartment buildings are pulled up to the roads uh and they're they're not you know busy roads they're in interior neighborhood roads but we designed it so it's it's um more like a a a town field than a apartment complex apartment complex apartment complex it'll be to our detriment to do to not have them have that feel so just really want to call that yes hey I know back in 2019 is fill the tnd aspect to vopa does the tnd aspect does that accomplish what commissioner Stark is describing it can yeah um we are currently revising the tnd ordinance that is in our Land Development code so we actually have a revised draft that we received shortly before the Christmas break so we're working on that right now but it it's possible that tnd can accomplish that yes so is it's no secret I have concerns with how these V these Villages are built out so what's I heard Gavin but what's our Assurance is that the quality of the villages aren't eroded away and we don't have examples of what commissioner starky has described and there's not walkability it's just you know clunky it's not aesthetically pleasing uh yeah we have the condition well we have the provisions of the Land Development code to rely on and we also have the advantage that a lot of the entitlements that are to be given or made in vop they have to come through as muds so we have the ability to condition and negotiate like Gavin was uh discussing on top of that um we are like I said uh revising the tnd code itself and hopefully we'll be bringing that back to the board soon uh such that the tnd ordinance that we that we have can be more user friendly and applicable to the current development um that we're seeing today no one has ever used it it's so bad yeah it's really bad I don't think anyone's ever used it we didn't do it use it we built long L we had to we got a million different um what's the word um variances or I don't the the old term was variances the new term is alternative alternative standards it's one million alternative standard after another so when when the when the new code is brought forward and approved by the board that then will be in the Land Development code and then it's there's a a for vop pH at least a policy question as to whether or not the tnd Mandate would return to theop y That's well we can we can achieve these things with without putting that ordinance back in just on how you I mean it does require some kind

of interconnectivity and can't we have some say on the locations of where the parking lots are and the buildings are in relation to each to the lot to to each other yeah we can um and we're currently working on draft Provisions to the Land Development code itself to to do exactly what you're describing commissioner um and that those can be negotiated into various NPS as well particularly for Bop I think that should be our Direction so this come up basically when we go to zoning I'm sorry you go to zoning and that's when this is going to yeah come to force okay we do some studies before we get to there okay uh I have no one signed up for this item from public uh um is there anyone in the audience wish to speak to this item do we need to do anything to this to achieve what we just said or is this not related to that just just give them more density not necessarily how it looks okay Mr two wishes to come forward speak yes sir Joel 24700 ridg viw Road Palm Harbor Florida um this particular Amendment really has no impact on the issue you're speaking to because all this amendment does is allow us to not lose in other words recapture density we're losing outside the village Corp where we're not achieving the financial plan density and being able within the same Village to to make sure that could be transferred to the Village Corp but this amendment in no way affects design requirements I mean you already have cross connection requirements for every mqd and of course you get in construction plans and if you're not happy with the internal grid system and the cross connects you're not going to improve those plans um so I think what you're talking about is a design issue um just to refresh your recollection you already did ask that staff initiate kind of a vop review uh about what density is being used what are these Villages looking like where do we stand and and we actually have our first organizational meeting this Friday based on your direction for the outside consultants and planners to start working with staff to try to get their arms around this so my suggestion would be that you have staff add that to the discussion list of that review process is what controls do we really have on how the village centers are going to be laid out and address that uh to the extent there there are requirements already in the enabling documents for how you have to design these Villages but if you're not comfortable that they're sufficient enough that's something that could be looked at there but but it really has nothing to do with this plan amendment that simply allows us to use density that otherwise is going to be left on the table and then we're not going to achieve the financial plan density to pay for the roads and the infrastructure that that's the concern so Mr to the um the villages as they sit they all have certain entitlements so when we come to that

plan and say there's not room or it can't be designed to be in that Village what happens those units you can't use there do they right now charge the financial right right now they go away and get lost and we we will never get paid those development fees so we won't that's the problem is we won't have um the assumed density to generate the capital budget funding that's going to be required at the end of the day and that's why we're doing everything we can within the bounds of reason to try to ground truth and achieve the intended density in each Village but doing it the way you have mandated which is concentrate that Village in the center and then feather it out as you go to the Village Edge you know don't get it too far out on the edge you've got to transition and have lower density at the edges and conc ation in the middle now the question you're raising today what I'm hearing has to do with okay in that Village Center where we're pushing the density what is that Center going to look like yeah is it going to be designed with a with a grid Street system to the extent you can given Wetlands but but subject to Wetlands and other issues are we getting an internal grid system and are we getting interconnects to make these things look like Villages right and I think that's a fair a fair comment yeah and those items in that or those uh units inside that Village when they get close to that Village Edge they stop they can't go P cannot go to another see all these so if you lose them then it's recalculation of the numbers you may have to pay more if you're in that exactly and all of a sudden your your Mobility or development fees could end up doubling and then you stifle the market because you can't be competitive at delivering the product right so that's a there are a lot of moving pieces out there and that's why I suggested in November when this came up that that rather than just making isolated unrelated decisions it would be prudent I think now 12 14 years after the fact is let's kind of look at where we are ground Truth where you are and get you comfortable that there is a design process moving forward so that as these things get built they will actually look the way you envision in your minds you want it to look right but we are having that first organizational meeting on Friday with Terry's team to get started it would be very easy to add Village Center Design Concepts to that to-do list right I think that's why I came up to the board because we're getting more happening in the village of Pas the hills and the board sometimes wonders if if those um units that are going to be in those Villages are approved or did did who look at it to say it's fits cuzz we didn't NE know but when it's approved by the board of villages Pine Hills they're supposed to make sure and and I think Gavin has said that to me before that they do fit they do and every individual zoning as we've said before every individual zoning in a village has to also bring forward the overall Village plan based on the prior approvals and

demonstrate how what they're doing makes sense in relation to what else is already approved so it is it is is a continuing uh holistic approach to what the village looks like today as compared to yesterday right okay Mr chairman yes I think one of the things we asked staff to show us too was you know what have we approved I'd like to know where we are so far and I mean I'd like to see like a conceptual okay here's this and then next to it is here's that as far as things that have started to move through I um who's the gentleman that bought a whole bunch of The Villages and is doing tnd and I don't I need to go Mr gelvin yeah I'm not so worried about his neighborhoods but I'm I'd be very curious I I'd like to know what the heck we've approved cuz for me it's a little confusing we do one here and one there and right so how's how's it working are we are we achieving what we hope to achieve I think what she's alluding to is is the fact that we have asked to have um a workshop something along with the Villagers Pas Hills board so that we're all on the same page knowing that when they approve it it fits and it's going to end up like they say it's going to end up so I think that's just a reassurance this board is asking for and we've sent that message out so I don't know when that's going to be but uh in the near future that's that'll help us all I think okay any other questions and uh is anyone here to speak to this item I do not have anyone signed up all right no one signed up Mr two spoke okay move to approve second got a motion to approve and a second uh by roll call vote District Two commissioner waitman District three commissioner starky hi District Four commissioner Bradford District Five commissioner Mariano I district one chairman Oakley I motion pass 4 Z okay um move on to P 58 58 p58 was advertising the Tampa Bay Times November 1st 2023 good afternoon Commissioners Denise Hernandez Planning and Development item p58 this is the adoption hearing for this item it's a Land Development code Amendment um we were hoping this would be Amendment 67 but it's actually Amendment 66 um so the board of County Commissioners directed staff to make some changes to section 95.2 which is Landscaping buffering uh what we did is um the board wanted staff to add um to give applicants the ability to be able to use the current um code Provisions in the landscape ordinance instead of having to pull old landscape files that had been approved um in the past so uh that we added that in into the applicability section um I'm going to read the the ordinance title and and um ask that you please accept public comment and adopt by roll call vote so it's PDD 24009 an ordinance by the Pascal County Board of County Commissioners amending the Pascal County Land Development code chapter 100 General provision section

10812 enforcement chapter 300 procedure section 305 neighborhood meeting chapter 400 permit types and application section 43.7 Mass grading section 40310 landscape plan section 47.2 variances section 47.5 alternative standards chapter 500 zoning section 522 master plan unit development District chapter 600 overly and Special Districts section 64 Northeast rural protection overlay District chapter 800 natural and cultural resource protection section 805 Wetlands chapter 900 development standards section 91.2 Transportation Corridor management section 91.6 Street design and dedication section 904 fire protection section 9007 on on-site parking loading and stacking and lighting standards chapter 1 1,000 miscellaneous structure regulations Section 10002 wir Wireless Communications facilities section 13 Gates fences and walls chapter 1300 concurrency and impact fees section 1302 point2 Mobility fees section 132.5 School impact fees section 13024 Parks and Recreation impact fees section 132.5 Library impact fees section 132.5 fire combat and rescue service impact fees and other sections as necessary for internal consistency providing for applicability providing for repealer for providing for separability inclusion into Land Development code and an effective date again if you would please take public comment and adopt by a rooll call okay Mr chairman yes um I'd like to go go to section 3051 on neighborh meetings um I've talked about this before but as far as the neighborhood meeting goes um you know we had I'll say just this the Saddlebrook hearings where we had a series of meetings with different groups all the way around and when you've got an imput like that I think it should we should dictate that it'd be one meeting that everybody can attend or if you want have series of meetings at least one meeting that everybody can attend right up front um the the lyx golf course going through the same type of thing we had separate meetings so nobody knows what everybody else is thinking no discussions are done in full it it kind of divides and confuses everybody to what's going to go on so I would like to see something done better than that um and when I see the change is going to be the application is going to be then as far as like starting NE meeting accepted for review if you keep it at accepted for review it's early in earlier in the process it gives the neighborhood meeting a chance to look at it and then reactions can happen changes can be made up up front if you wait till it's deemed complete for Content I don't think we need to wait to that line as soon as they're going to submit something I think that's when a neighborhood meeting should happen and go from there and at some point point if it's an mpud not just a regular development but if it's an mpud like that I think someone from staff should be there to actually listen to What the residents have to say as well so they can incorporate those things in to their to their

input Mr chairman let me play Devil's Advocate with a commissioner um however if you don't wait until it's deemed complete for content it may not be a it may not be something that move moves forward I mean it may not be baked basically um so deemed complete for content is just when we start or St planning staff starts review MH it's not way into the process it's within the first yes correct with within the first less than 30 days yeah so maybe within 30 days of the submitt that so so and then you get 30 days from because right now the way it's done it's going to be the the 30 days before the public hearing is going to happen that's the only time it has to [Music] happen the code does require that the meeting be held a minimum of 30 Days part of the public hearing and at a minimum of 25 days prior to the public hearing that the neighborhood meeting summary package be submitted to staff uh the code also says that the applicant is to to have at least one meeting is required but they can have other meetings as well so the reason for this particular code change um complete for content is because there was an application for conditional use that came in that the applicant submitted the application it was accepted in a Cella but not accepted for comment content the asell system accepted the application the person set up the neighborhood meeting meeting and when the application when the actual application all the comments were received the request was completely different it was for a completely different height of a tower it was a completely different type of Tower so the person just went ahead and had their neighborhood meeting without it being accepted for for Content all right well that's that's that's a good point um I don't mind that for those reasons okay I'll be all right with that but I do want to see it that especially on an mpud though I don't want divided up meetings if I got if I got a group of people all affected I want them all to see it one shot not broken up to one little group here one little group here one little group there I need to get everybody looked at it Brad do you have something you can add uh yeah I just wanted to Brad tip in playing development just wanted to add that there's uh there's a couple of elements involved in that and and I understand exactly why you'd like to have that in there as early as possible it's very important to get that Community involvement as early as we can uh our only main issue here is um that uh what's original Ally submitted to us is almost never the end product so if that meeting is done too soon then the community is not I'm okay with I'm I'm okay with that fact okay I'm okay with that change okay um the other issue is that with a project like saddle book uh you could have a a very large group of people several hundred people we don't have a lot of facilities given the the criteria to meet we would have to figure out exactly how to do the logistics of

that because there certain times of day that these meetings need to happen certain days of the week it could be difficult we would probably want to include some sort of a hybrid option to do some virtual some in person something like that to be able to accommodate what could possibly be an extremely large crowd like that if we had to go to a school fine but as far as a Saddlebrook argument that place could have held at all so I really don't want to go into that argument with it but I think if you're going to have affect a mpud that's already been existing and could be that that of the banker Woods East you've got something that's been entitled there for many many years people bought into certainties you going to make any changes to any part of the NPD everybody should see it at the same time to comment on it when it's complete but at least have that notice where they can look at it and then if they need to make changes they can go do that or encounter that in but at least we can go and if it's that big as an mpud then I think a staff person should be there at that neighborhood meeting so they can actually take the feedback back to the back to our own staff to say here's what I heard here's what they said do we want to make any changes so we have actually uh we took your advice uh at the prior hearing and we actually have already Incorporated that into our notice to to ask people to provide us with that feedback provide us minutes from the meeting any questions or concerns directly to us uh instead of just turning them in at that meeting to make sure that we actually get all that feedback okay all right commissioner yes if this may be I don't it sounds like both both the examples that I'm hearing is you want a neighborhood meeting that include includes everyone in an existing mpud yes and that's a different that's a that's a finite subset of new MPS that are coming in so so we could add something to this that said for existing projects the neighborhood meeting shall accommodate all of the all of the neighborhood associations with that exist within that mpud that's my desire thank you does that staff okay I mean did I I mean I could be it could be a it could be a large number of people but I think that it's a it's a rarer occasion than than what you normally deal with um Mr chairman yes I have a question on the mask R so um and I have a photo and I sent this picture to the administrator in one of our land use attorneys this week and I was talking to some folks in development industry in the last few days um this is about kogan grass which is on my commissioner items for discussion so just waiting for it to come up this is uh long leaf neighborhood 4 and um and I'm I'm concerned when we go to clear property that has kogan grass on

it it then uh gets transported somewhere it's on the it's on the machinery and it gets brought into someone else's property that's how it was brought into my neighborhood of aresa unfortunately when it started growing up behind someone's house and the burn that they put in um they wouldn't let the HOA go in and spray it and now it's all through my neighborhood um kogan grass is one of the world's most invasive grasses and we want you know you know how they let the python thing get get away from them in the Everglades and the maluca um we don't want our County to get inundated with kogan grass we don't so I you know I've asked an asked to have a policy about development and kogan grass um at the very least we need to be identifying if kogan grass is on a in on proper before they start clearing it what's the plan so that we don't spread it to someone else's property and so this is this is the this is the kogan grass along starky Boulevard in Long Neath neighborhood 4 um can you go to the next page and they they're starting to scrape this whole Corner away and it's solid kogan grass on that corner which I had alerted uh the long leaf neighborhood um to this CDD board to please do something about this but this is a neighborhood 4 not something that they they were in charge of and I think it got cleared before anyone did anything so there really needs to be a policy on how we protect ourselves from this and is is the Mas raing place where that would occur and yes that's being worked on with with the executive team we've talked about it um and then public works also has an eradication plan but that's post post obviously we don't want post that's more expensive I I I agree with you but but yes we're working on that Brad I don't know if you've got something else to add uh just going to say yes that we're working with public works and also Keith wy's team uh natural resources and uh we actually have started putting language in conditions of approval on projects are going to be going to construction that you know for those invasive species that they're going to have to use the proper process process to get rid of them okay well I'd like to add it now to say you have to identify if there is kogan grass uh prior to the on your property and and confer with someone on how you're going to properly deal with it before it gets to every neighborhood so so that language is actually already exists for invasive species in general call out C gra what what did we do what did we ask them to do on this one if it's already there I'm not positive have to research that what department handles that handles invasive species on a on property so so as of the discussion just short time ago uh we would look at that as part of the site plan review and condition it uh and it would be followed through with the uh natural resources team um they would work with natural resources as to how to and public works as to how to actually destroy so I'm

asking that that probably wasn't in place at the time these were well this just this just start long Le just came through this in the last six months yes and this was it was only a few months ago that we uh started having that discussion working on C grass so that's a much newer policy that we have in place okay so if if if that had been in view when they first started that's when this has got to be taken care of when they first started development yeah we we alert them to it and we've we've uh Tri to make an effort of of having our natural resources team as part of pre-application meetings and and site reviews actually comment in in that regard um they're trying to make trips out to see they've made some changes in how they're they're actually going out and looking at some of the Wetland delineations and they're seeing physically being at the property and seeing some of that so hopefully uh you know this is going to be something that we can deal with a little bit more easily in the future right but I think that's something that we need to really take hold of because if you if you if you don't make it a big point to get rid of it then it will never be gotten rid of and it'll be spread all over the county so that's that's the idea of attacking when new develop is starting let's make sure they're getting rid of the right way let that be part of the process very early on yeah and like and like any process it it takes a little bit of time before you see that come out of the ground for things that have other received other right you know and then we have the reactive portion through Public Works and natural resources to deal with it while it's on the ground and you know that okay Mr wait thank you I'd be remiss if that remind staff and everybody involved in this that it's been a solid year when commiss starky and I brought this up very early on last year it's been more than a year yeah she's brought it up prior prior to me joining the board so for you know 12 months to go by on something that's a real problem when I think this board collectively over a year ago said hey let's get disciplined and address this problem is a bit unacceptable to me in the timeline I we've been very disciplined in in moving ahead of a lot of advances that the board has asked over the past year as well to include kogan crass and to include a number of other things in the development Arena and again we we continue to make advances on the development services front with how we handle and manage development in the county so I appreciate it I I certainly share the impatience for wanting to push a lot of things forward but we're not the the team is not sitting on their hands we are we are moving and advancing the board's directives and it just it just takes a little time so we do appreciate the board's patience as we as we move and and try to take care of these items to to include Cogen grass it is not lost on us but I I understand your impatience sir and and we will continue to advance that as well as a

number of other initiatives that the board is asking for so on the drive here on 52 which is all the new development of I shouldn't say all never say all a lot of the new grading of State Road 52 has cocon grass in it but it blew my mind when I passed an island and I I didn't I took a picture of it but I don't remember where it was if it was but it's on the new part the island is brand new um and the island the grass coming up is cocon grass okay in a little island in the middle of 52 they so they put the fill in there from somewhere and brought the Cogan grass in what what I was told was it um is on the the uh scrapers and that they look they may have to wash those down in some way and I maybe we provide a place somewhere where they can go and get washed down if they have worked on a piece of land that has kogan grass on it but that that's one of the way it's getting spread is from the equipment okay so okay all right is there um anyone to speak to this item anyone sign there is no one signed up no one signed up any um I I have a question for Denise items to cover so yeah I know I'm sorry I'll be quick did we did all the we had a meeting yesterday on and did all the things we talk about with code and staff do we need to tweak anything that we from our discussions yesterday we do not okay I didn't I looked at my notes so I didn't write anything oh I'm going to recognize Barbara will Barbara will height 6327 Grand Boulevard report Richie 34652 I understand the conversation about the neighborhood meetings I'm not really clear what you're going to write um because we need to get a trigger first is when we have to do a mandatory neighborhood meeting in an MPD like we're changing an amenity decreasing open space modifying a golf course maybe we get a list of stuff that's a mandatory trigger and then um have a mandatory requirement that everybody get noticed for one meeting because I think you're adopting here right so I get to comment on whatever is written pursuant to your direction so but right now we don't have a mandatory requirement for every Mudd that's amended that we do a neighborhood meeting I certainly don't want to see that happen because we do lots of changes where we just change a lot standard you know a setback and those types of things and we don't want to have to go to a meeting with the whole neighborhood of Trinity to do that so that's my thought is we we just need to sit down identify the triggers for a mandatory meeting and how we have to conduct it so that the commissioner's um concerns addressed do that that sound reasonable okay maybe if the conditions of this substantial deviation well that's a whole bunch of them we do we do modifications every day to to mudds we modifi I just modified Northwood twice Northwood mpud twice for very minor things substantial amendments and we would have had to notify the whole neighborhood over something that

nobody would care about nobody did care about it because we noticed people didn't care so well that's just some I guess sometimes we're going to maybe we need to well I'd ask you matter then so we can get this right well this is actually really important I mean you can't you know sure there are a lot of live local related items within this adoption so we do not want a continuance um we could take direction to work on a code amendment to make modifications to the neighborhood meeting section that can come as either a standalone or I always have a ton of things that I need I've I've already started on new modifications that need to be done to the Land Development code so right and right now I think you're working also on as Terry and I talked the signage as well so maybe when you get the signage ready you can bring that back as well happen signage how to notice a notice of project oh got yes yeah I don't think that that requires a code Amendment though that's that's just procedural stuff yes it's something we're working on and the RV thing we're working on as well so yeah so I've got a lot of things I'm working on so okay I just don't want to I don't want to derail this one please I know really important I just want to get a situation again where I've got situation where it's not the code so you can't make us could do it I don't want to hear that again so I don't know how we get around that okay move approval second a motion second roll call vote uh hang on Does it include the changes we that Mr Stein Stein had made that's up to you you heard you heard Miss wi height oh sorry object to it I heard that so I don't and I've dealt with two neighborhoods that have like been burned by it and I think you've heard that Denise saying that she's going to bring it back in a subsequent Amendment if that if that's acceptable to the board but that's a that's a policy decision for you all all right we'll wait for it to come back okay we wait so Denise you got that I have it yes okay thank you all right all in favor of a roll call vote District Two commissioner waitman hi District three commissioner starky hi District Four commissioner Bradford District 5 commissioner Mariano hi District 1 chairman o i motion pass 40 now uh Mr Stein Steiner if you will give us the uh public hearing information be happy to Mr chairman there are two resoning agendas regular and consent staff will present each application to the board of County Commissioners if staff or Planning Commission has recommended approval and there's no opposition to the application the application will be considered by the board without further presentation if staff or Planning Commission has recommended denial or if there is opposition to the application the applicant will be given five minutes for presentation the opposition will be given three minutes for each individual or five minutes for group representative and the applicant will be given 3 minutes for rebuttal any individual

disagreeing with staff Planning Commission recommendation or anyone wishing to object to any condition of the resoning May May at this time request the petition be pulled from the consent agenda in which case that application will be heard under the regular agenda later on during the meeting otherwise all resoning applications on the consent agenda will be approved by a single motion and vote if you wish to speak to any petition please give your name and address and whether or not you've been sworn for the record these are Quasi judicial public hearings the law in Florida is that mere public support or opposition of an application is insufficient for the board to take action please limit your comments to those criteria found within board's Land Development code okay would you like to swear uh yes if anyone's going to speak on the public hearings please stand and raise your right hand okay do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give is the true so help you God thank you okay um p59 p59 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times November 22nd 2023 item p59 is PDD 24765 5 it's a zoning Amendment Clinton Avenue mpud master plan unit CC Waller revoc revocable trust the request is to continue the item to the February 6 2024 Board of County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 in date City move to continue time certain a motion in second all those in favor say I I I all oppos like sign motion pass 40 move on to p60 p60 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times September 20th 2023 and was continued from the November 14th 2023 BCC meeting 2 today p60 is PDD 24 7683 it's a zoning amendment in the name of Crossways mpud Crossway 301 LLC if the request is to continue the item through to the March 12th 2024 Board of County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 in D City move to continue time certain second okay we got a motion a second all those in favor say I I all opposed like sign motion pass 40 move on to p61 p61 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times August 23rd 2023 and was continued from the October 10th 2023 meeting to today PE 61 is PDD 24769 7 it's a zoning amendment in the name of Ruben a and Maria J Sanchez the request is to continue the item to a date uncertain move to continue time uncertain second okay I got a motion and second um all those in favor please say I I I oppos like sign motion pass 40 move on to p62 p62 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times November 22nd 2023 p 62 is PDD 24 7725 soing Amendment Lando Lakes 5241 mpud Sandridge commercial LLC and State Road 52 Williams LLC uh the request is to continue the item to the March 12th 2024 Board of County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 in D City move to continue time certain second got a motion second all those in favor say I

I uh oppose like sign motion pass 40 move on to p64 P p63 oh excuse me okay p63 advertised in the Tampa Bay Times November 22nd 2023 I'm item p63 is PDD 2477 37 for the orange State mpud master plan unit development orange State Enterprises Inc the request is actually to continue to the February 20th 2024 Board of County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 in Newport Richie I know the continu days does say 26 of 2024 but the Planning Commission continued it to 118 and that does not give staff the appropriate number of days to turn the item around move to continue time sir second got a motion second all those in favor say I I I oppos like sign motion pass 4 Z move on to p64 P4 yes Tampa Bay Times uh advertising Tampa Bay Times September 20th 2023 it was continued from the November 14th 2023 meeting to today p64 is PDD 24 7744 zon Amendment dwad hany and nimad Norine uh this item is the request is to continue the item to the March 12th um Board of the County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 in dat city um I know the request is for February 6th however the Planning Commission continued it on to a date where we would not be able to turn the item around in the the appropriate time move to continue time certain second got a motion second all those in favor say I I I uh all oppos like sign he none motion pass 4 Z move on to p65 p65 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times November 22nd 2023 p65 is PDD 24775 1 zoning Amendment Thomas J Ambrose II and Jennifer Ray mcneel the request is to continue the item to the February 6 202 4 board to County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 in date City move to continue time certain second got a motion second all those in favor say I I all opposed like sign hearing none motion pass 40 move on to p66 okay p66 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times December 20th 2023 p66 is PDD 22 pd2 2424 sorry it's for a comprehensive plan Amendment the item was advertises a continuance the continuance date is to February 6th 2024 board County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 in D City move to continue time certain second got a motion and second all those in favor say I I I all oppos like sign here none uh motion pass 40 uh we will now move to p69 okay uh p69 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times November 1st 2023 p 69 is PDD 24 7708 it's a zoning Amendment the name of St Leo Commons vop mpud Rd pd5 LLC for a resoning from AC agricultural District to an mpud master plan unit development District to allow for 796 dwelling units and 75,000 ft of non-residential uses on approximately 101 Acres the request is to continue the item to the February 6th 2024 board County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 in D City move to continue Mr chairman this was this was advertised as an approval um and it's being changed to a continuance now so it's my it's been my practice to advise to advise the commission that anyone who has attended that cannot make the continuance date

may speak but if they choose to speak at this meeting they cannot speak again at the at the continuance date okay so is anyone signed up for there was no one signed up for p69 and anybody on WebEx no one on WebEx okay is there anyone in the audience wish to speak to p69 see you no one I'll State my motion move to continue time certain second okay got a motion second all those in favor say I I I uh oppose like sign hearing none uh motion pass 4 Z and I think we move to p72 yes Mr chair thank youing to my directions okay p72 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times November 22nd 2023 and by affida of certified mailings and site postings Commissioners p72 is PDD 24773 2 in the name of Hudson family Trail mpud master plan unit development HW HGC MGA LLC it's for a resoning from an AC agricultural District to an mpud master plan unit development District to allow the development of a maximum of 116 single family residential units on approximately 38.7 to acres for the record there are CTE Communications that have been provided to the clerk's office from commissioner Mar Commissioners Mariano and commissioner Bradford the request is to continue the item to the January 23rd 2024 Board of County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 in Newport Richie Mr chairman same same rules as 69 this was advertised as an approval it's now being changed to a continuance I suggest you take public comment for anyone who cannot make the 12324 agenda but if they speak now they cannot speak again on the 24th on the 23rd has anyone sign up to sign speak with p72 uh no one has signed up in person but you do have someone online Miss Julia bartunek Miss bartunek are you there yes I'm here and I'll wait till the January 23rd meeting thank you okay thank you all right thank you might want to call if there's anyone here is there anyone in the audience wish to speak this item see no one moveed to continue time serving okay got a motion and second all those in favor say I I I'll oppose La sign carry none motion pass 40 Mr chair if I may and I apologize I should have done this prior to the Land Development code Amendment I'm my understanding is that I have to go to addendum item 142 it's a continuance item so that way we'll just end the continuances if that's okay all okay what number is 142 your addendum item I think it's called A1 142 142 is an ordinance amending the Pasco County comprehensive plan providing for a comprehensive plan Amendment to the Future land use map map 2-15 and Sheet 04 changing from res one residential one dwelling unit and acre to Res 3 residential 3 three dwelling units an acre on approximately 38.7 One Acres of real property located north of Hudson Avenue and 1.68 miles west of Hayes Road this item was advertised by appid certified mailings and site postings and the request is to continue the item to the January 23rd 2024 board to County Commissioner's meeting at 1:30

in Newport Richie okay and there's no one signing up there it was not advertised either is anybody oh nobody's here to to speak to this item in a second got a motion in second all those in favor say I I all oppos like sign hearing none motion pass 4 z7 um think 67 67 67 okay okay p 7 was advertised in Tampa Bay Times November 1st 2023 p67 is PDD 24756 it's a zoning Amendment Boger 2 mpud master plan unit development Boger 2 LLC it's for a rezoning from an AC agricultural District to an mpud master plan unit development District to allow for a maximum development of 136 single family dwelling units on approximately 30.8 acres to consist of of single family detached in town homes um this comes here with a recommendation of of approval with conditions as included in your agenda packet from the Pasadena Hills planning and policy committee and the Planning and Development Department okay is there anyone here to speak against this item there is no one signed up no one signed up no I see no one to speak against it remains on consent we move on to p68 p68 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times November 1st 2023 p68 is pd24 7700 Aon amendment in the name of kefir V op mpud project vop it's for resoning from an AC agricultural District to an mpud master plan unit development District to allow for 200 single family detached dwellings on approximately 122 Acres comes to you with a recommendation of approval with conditions as included in your agenda packet from the Pasad Hills planning and policy committee and the Planning and Development Department okay is there anyone here to speak against this item no sir well not signed up nobody sign sign up and nobody's on way back correct okay and no one in the audience that remain on consent we'll move on to p70 p70 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times November 1st 2023 p70 is PDD 24779 for zoning amendment in the name of Haw theop mpud Haw LC Junior trust and others it's for a resoning from an AC agricultural District to an mpud master plan unit development to to allow for 523 dwellings on approximately 90 Acres this will consist of town homes and multif Family Apartments uh there are experte Communications with all the Commissioners those have been provided to the clerk's office earlier this morning um and also there is a request to add some additional language in the condition we don't have the language right now for you but that will be provided after today that has to do with the applicant not seeking the tax exemption um in the LI local for this project I I do have questions on this one absolutely is you want it is anyone who's who's here representing that this Mr two I believe um not sure if this is the one that I questioned the layout is it p70 or um it's St Leo Comm it's

already oh that one that was contined oh so what sorry p70 right that's H so h and this is in vop okay so I guess I'm going to have a question I don't know if I've seen this one have I seen this one can you can you tell me uh if can you describe the project to me please I'm sorry I know we're rushing through this but I want to make sure we're do we'll wait on this we'll pull this item off to the side p70 and that was Contin you'll leave it there and we'll go to another consent item p71 p71 is going to be pulled there are some folks here to speak to the item one El p73 so you're going to pull p71 there's people here to speak to it oh pull both those in 70 and 73 or 71 you're going to move to 73 okay move on to 70 p73 p73 was advertis in Tampa Bay Toms October 18th 2023 p73 is pd24 7747 it's a zoning amendment in the name of fly J Keys Aon cff it's for change in zoning from an I2 Industrial Park General Industrial Park District to an i1 light Industrial Park District and an I2 General Industrial Park District with a voluntarily agreed upon uh deed restriction that reserves the uses for i1 and I2 that also uh discusses landscape buffers and sidewalks um for this item there's X parte uh that was um with all the Commissioners um individually of course that was sent to the clerk's office earlier today uh comes here with a recommendation of approval from the planning and development department and the Planning Commission okay um does anyone signed up there's no one signed up okay so there's is anyone here to speak against p73 seeing no one leave it on consent move to p74 p74 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times November 22nd 2023 p74 is PDD 24775 it's a zoning Amendment Irving and and Irving D and Mel Melody M Delgado for a change in zoning from an AC agricultural District to an ar5 agricultural residential district comes here with recommendation of approval from the planning and development department and the Planning Commission there's no one signed up for this no one sign up for it is anyone here to speak against this item see no one uh it remains on consent move move to p75 p75 was advertised in Tampa Bay Times November 22nd 2023 p75 is pd24 7752 it's a zoning Amendment BMC 31722 sr52 LLC for a change in zoning from a C2 General commercial district with a deed restriction to a C2 General commercial district with an with an amended deed restriction the amended deed restriction voluntarily agreed upon deed restriction is to allow rvm boat storage and Truck Rental as ancillary to the allows St storage on the property and also to preserve the uses for those uses that are consistent with the C2 General commercial District comes you with a recommendation of approval from the planning and development department and the Planning Commission there's no one signed up no one signed up okay uh is

there anyone the audience to speak against this item seeing no one we move on to p76 p76 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times November 22nd 2023 p76 is PDD 4 7753 zoning Amendment Carly Properties LLC and Scotty Crockett for a change in zoning from an AC agricultural District C1 neighborhood commercial district and an i1 light Industrial Park District to an i1 light Industrial Park District with a voluntarily agreed upon deed restriction that preserves the uses to those uses listed in the i1 light Industrial Park District comes to you with a recommendation of approval from the planning and development department and the Planning Commission there is no one signed up for this item okay anyone here to speak against uh p76 see see no one may leave leave it on consent and move to P U Can I I have a few questions on one I don't want to pull them off consent but I just want to ask this because I'm looking so fast which item so first I want to ask on p75 that is on State Road 52 so I'm sorry we're going fast um um is that right is it's on the south side of State Road 5 does it require a sidewalk in front of it because uh when I passed marada it didn't have any sidewalks in Fr it so we have a mistake there a sidewalk or a trail I mean we're putting looks like the proposed route for the orange belt Trail is going to be along some portions of the Old State Road 52 so we should have them be putting it in if that's part of the route I don't see stting there's going to be a sidewalk insted all it talks about is outs to the properties that are adjacent to that off C2 I don't care what it is if it's on state Ro 52 but you can't stipulate a sidewalk but in a straight zoning category it would have to be something that is required administratively and they'll take care of it but it's not it's not oh so let me ask my colleague is just telling me that is required by the code to install a sidewalk okay but it's already a code requirement but we just did a press release on the proposed route for the orange belt Trail which is going up the proposed route right now is to go up parts of old 52 it could not be on this part I just don't have it memorized so someone tell me is this property on the proposed route for the orange belt that we just put out the press release last week if someone can look up this information we'll we'll have to come back to you with an answer on that if that's okay I mean I've got Nick here and then on the keys um this is State Road 52 and not not County Road 52 it is so it's not the old count Ro 52 75 75 says County 52 yeah so um then my next question so the the trail is going up Harman road which is north of this project somewhere in the old 52 or whatever we're calling it State County Road 52 so it's not anywhere near here I got you but would we want people

around there to be able to access that Tru I mean do we need a multi-use path and not a sidewalk there maybe it's not the great big one but do we need something different that's so that's a question on that one then I want to come back to the Keys concrete one it's requires a sidewalk on the south side of 52 um just west of 41 but it doesn't say anything about a sidewalk on Aaron cut off and are we going to require anything on Aon cut off side in front of that property so again being told by my colleague that the Cod already requires a sidewalk along Aon cut off okay but you called it out specifically on we called it out specifically because of the width and because there were questions as to where the trail was going to go so the applicant said hey irregardless of where the trail is going to go I'm going to actually put a sidewalk so we actually wanted to commit to that to specifically to that sidewalk on 52 in the in the voluntarily agreed upon the multiuse trail is on the other side right the nor side that is correct but okay um uh angelene did not put in as of right now a sidewalk along 50 the southern part of 52 and when I had a conversation with secretary gwy um we're going to talk about this again later he said that the county agreed that all the sidewalks on 52 between Sun Coast and 41 would be put in by the developers so we have to be very careful that we're doting our eyes who in the county agree to that we're trying to substantiate that statement right now this he had someone else in the office Justin said that as well that we we said I know it was dumb but that's do anyone here recall it what you recall it I don't recall being out that well I wasn't in the conversation that was with our engineering department we'll have to verify nothing sorry but I I see what's going on and I I'm kind of going with secretary okay um so I think we're good then this is all you know as you know this is a ukian zoning so it's all incorporated into the the voluntarily agreed upon deed restriction in the keys situation so is it possible we can instead of getting a 5ft sidewalk we can get 8ot on the the the 75 I guess it is 75 up to an 8ot you guys have planned which item are we speaking about now the one next to marada isn't it isn't does it say it's coming in next to marada this is p75 yeah I think the if you'd like to pull it from consent we could the applicant can come up and speak to that to that item because the code will require sidewalk but it's not going to require any I know but I'm just trying to get something where two people can walk side by side up two moms can push a stroller whatever trim up okay we'll pull that one off then okay you want to pull 75 off okay I thought they so we're pulling off okay p76 did I say leave that on consent we already I already had it

marked so we move to uh p77 all right P okay did you well did you already do p76 and I made you go back backwards yes okay all right p77 is Tampa Bay Times November 22nd 2023 and by affida is certified mailings and site postings so on p77 this is the transmitt so we're asking you to please take public comment and authorize transmitt to Department of Commerce and other reviewing agencies it's PDD 2432 it's comprehensive plan Amendment CP CPA 2302 Lando Lakes 5241 providing for transmit a comprehensive plan Amendment to the Future land use map 2-15 and Sheet 12 changing from Ro retail office residential Comm commercial and Res three residential three dwelling units per gross acre to PD plan development on approximately 76.72 Acres of real property located south estate rout 52 approximately 900 ft west of Lando Lakes Boulevard and a text Amendment creating sub area policy flu 7.1.7 6 Lando Lakes 5241 and a map Amendment to the Future land use map 2-9 adding sub area map 2- 976 Lando Lakes 5241 and and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for repealer severability and an effective date this is going to be a mixed use project that consists of 130,000 squ ft of commercial and 350 multif family uses of which are multif family uh 300 300 multif family and 50 Town Homes uh this is going to come to you further on um as an mpud um on this on this item and the adoption for this one is scheduled for March 12th 2024 at 1:30 and I see that they are building their their sidewalk on 52 and see the developer supposed to be putting them in between sun the Sun Coast m41 Mr chairman yes just a sidewalks on 52 and 41 for this project [Music] I had a meeting on this so that answer question I think so there's no one signed up for this item anyone sign up for p77 yes sir uh is anyone to speak against p77 seeing no one I'm going to ask for a motion for all the consent items p67 p p68 p69 no p67 p68 you skip p no no I've got those set aside p70 and p71 are set aside it's got people9 69 you've already continued it was my point you just mentioned it's not on the consent agenda anymore you contined I got you all right so I have that you pulled p707 I pull p70 and P p71 and what 75 p75 I thought we answered that one so we pulled it so if I can it what remains on consent according to my notes is 67 [Music] 68 73 74 75 76 and 77 they are that that is your consen um on on this last one we pull 67 can I ask a question on p77 no those are your consent that oh that's what I'm looking um is it connecting to any other property around it or is it only access by 52 I saw something about bulock there

are there are connections if when you look at the mpud the the mpud is going to connect um in different locations okay interconnects question thank for motion is called I save my live local questions to the end I assume everywhere just to confirm on the record that all our commercial industrial sites on here absolutely yes and then we did add that tax you know we're adding that one to huse I just like to hear it makes me feel more comfortable so what are my items again de I'll be sure your consent agenda is 6768 okay 69 no no 73 74 75 76 7 75 was pulled 75 was pulled oh that's yeah 75 was pulled okay try this again 67 67 68 68 73 73 74 76 and 77 move approval of the remaining consent agenda second I got a motion in a second all those in favor say I I I'll oppos those numbers were your consented yes yeah okay thank you okay so motion pass 4 z um now we got to go back and pick up you said 69 was it 70 you continued you continued 69 oh 69 continued and you continued 72 all right go back to p70 does anyone signed up for p70 there is no one signed up get home before the bad weather they're telling me trees are down on the West Side already yep hang out with you hearing that Mike Mike are you getting any any news my staff told me there's trees down W Pas okay we're on p70 commissioner starky did you want a full presentation for me or did you want uh me and Joel to answer any questions for you um well what I was wondering was can you know like the discussion we just had this morning or earlier sorry um how how is this relating to the property around it say again well is it going to be this has this is a multif family right well it's some about Joel 2 thank you 4700 Ridge View Road Palm Harbor for the applicant uh this is in village C it has both Town it has a town home section and a multif family section it is bisected by the new Clinton Avenue extension so you've got one parcel on the North side one on the south side and it is just adjacent just almost adjacent to what will be the new handcart Road intersection because Mr Galvin is building handcart Road up to the new Clinton Avenue Extension okay so even even though it looks like it's sitting in the middle of nowhere no now it's actually going to be at the intersection of Clinton Avenue and hanart so you know when I see mccave I forget that that's Clinton that's the new extension so when you drive over here that extension you literally drive through the center of this property and there'll be a segment on the North that will have access off new handcart and the segment on the South will have access off Clinton Avenue and so it's both town homes and multif family it's in the village it's in the neighborhood

core and the neighborhood General so the density is there to support the plan density is already there to support this but actually even though it has Apartments when you do the math it's 90 Acres with 523 units I did the math this morning it's only 5.8 units per acre well I'm not I'm not I have problem it's not it's not terribly dense I have no problem with the density okay I just want to know how it's going to feel is it going to be um connected to the properties around it is it has to see everything out there kind of like what we did everything in Bop has to have cost connects per the code and per the V pH plan unless you the board of County Commissioners agree to delete any of those cross connects and that actually has to be a variation that you approve I mean we go through those every time so unless somebody stands up here and asks you to delete a cross connect and shows you the Wetland or whatever reason it is that they think they can't connect those connections are required I mean Brad can answer that but when the when the preliminary plan and the site plan come in they're going to have to show staff that that cross connect unless you've waved it all right so will the buildings be pulled up to these roads that are going through it there is there is no developer Builder I mean there is no pre-existing plan see we're at the zoning stage so until there's a preliminary plan and proposed construction plans that whole design is not done okay so I have one more question if this is this this is on Clinton new yeah the extension and uh and our Trail the the trail stopped on which road where did the where did the trail stop the county had do stop it what was what's that North South Road it's not Prospect Happy Hill no what's the what's the big North South Road West of prospect curly so this is east of curly yes this is where we have to figure out how we're going to put that trail missing Trail back in so uh where is Prospect on this because it's East Prospect is East this is between curly and Prospect okay so then on this section they're putting the trail in on the North side do is going to come back in and put it on the North side okay and then once we get the prospect I think they told me they're going to have to put it in on the south side I think that's what you said at a meeting yeah so I just want to make sure that there's right away here uh well that Clinton Avenue right away is quite substantial I I think that do has the right away already that's what we were told until they get to at least a prospect yeah yeah it was just pointed out to me that in condition number 26 you've already apparently extracted 10 more feet of right away from us then we can landscape so congrat congratulations we put shade trees on there I won't F I won't follow amik brief with a pending US Supreme Court case on that subject so if I'll let if you were still if you were still acting as a

lawyer object to the condition I Mr waitman had a question over here thank you Mr to appreciate what side of the road is multif family on this is one of the highest points on the new State Road 52 beautiful really and depending on what side the M families on I'd hate to see the south side of this project there's a Hayfield there now I mean the view the views there are just fantastic as you press h go over and you see that end up with multif family cons potential multif family concerns even though the plan already allows that density in that Village Center I'm just asking what side of the road is going to be uh I believe the current plan contemplates the town homes on the North north side under that topography that you mentioned the north side would be going downhill well the north side is contemplated for town homes and the souths side for multif family and that's where the density is allowed under the plan so that would protect your view right looking North departments would be on the South Side the apartments going down the hill and the town homes will be on the south side uphill overlooking no North Side didn't you say town homes are on the North side correct yeah oh and it makes those multif family buildings look shorter if they're below you than if they're above you Mr two can you just confirm for the record that you were sworn I was sworn thank you thank you for reminding me it's a compl amend any anything else commissioner starky no I just wanted to um I just want to be sure we're talking about an emphasizing 70 importance of good design and that's why as I said on the earlier plan Amendment item my suggestion is that you ask Mr pitos to add that to our topics Friday afternoon about how the planners and the stakeholders out there can work that out to get all of you comfortable because clearly you're all uneasy well we don't know we right you see that we don't know what we're getting well I understand that I get it that's what I'm saying I I there needs to be a planning discussion on that topic is my suggestion I have to ask very hard to do that it's very hard to do that at the deis on zoning approvals on an ad hoc basis it's just difficult we um we we you know I keep catching missteps on the trails and sidewalks and so when I'm not comfortable I just have to bring it up until we get our our our whatever we're going to call this person in place that has their eyes on all these things I appreciate that and that's why I usually reach out and poke you about 5 days before the hearing to say these are mine take a look at them and let me know if you have questions yeah thank you okay so ter is this on your list for Friday this specifically not yet not yet not yet no uh right now our Friday land use Round Table meetings are targeted to our the conference plan updated so well was conversation I think yeah yeah some it'll be a topic that will come up though and we we will talk about it we can have extra Friday meetings meaning Monday through Thursday

to to talk about it with uh the different stakeholders I think he's saying it's not on the current agenda but it will be on a future agenda making sure he acknowledging the conversations that we had okay we um we pish for p70s uh main a motion second got a motion second all those in favor say I I I all oppos like sign motion pass 40 move on to p71 okay p71 was advertised in the Tempa Bay Times October 18th 2023 is is there anyone there are individuals signed up individuals signed up so are they against this project yes do you want a presentation first do you want a presentation yeah I want presentation first good afternoon William vermillian Planning and Development uh this is item p71 Cherry Hills West MPV uh PDD 24772 uh this is a general location map in the county where this project is located right outside of dat City this is a zoning Amendment from agricultural residential to master plan unit development to allow for a maximum development of 160 single family detached units on approximately 34 Acres it runs alongside BFW Road approximately 275 ft south of County Road 52 here is the aerial location map the existing zoning map showing AR the future land use map indicating res 6 here is a contextual map to show the overall location the subject site in its proximity to Dade City St Leo and that school there on County Road 52 here is the master plan for this development but you'll notice the the VFW will not change in any way um it will not change along with this development it had its Club license and alcohol license approved by the board of County Commissioners in 1975 and that runs in perpetuity with the VFW utilities for this project will also be provided by date City and with that this comes to you with a recommendation of approval with conditions from planning and development and the Planning Commission are there any questions for me who's util who's providing utilities uh this will be Dade City they're in the Dade City Service uh area and prior to a site plan they're going to enter into agreement with dat City to make sure they have all the capacity what the neighboring lot sizes so the neighboring lot sizes there are we zoom out here uh across the street you have Abby Glenn which is 50s and 60 at a higher density that's proposed here that's right under six dwelling units per acre this one comes out to be about 469 dwelling units per acre uh additionally uh you can't see it here but to the east of dat City there's another development uh that comes in at 700 dwelling units on approximately 150 acres which is also roughly 4.6 dwelling units and that's also your 40s 50s and 60s okay I have a

question M lman do you goe um so where is this in relation to the orange belt Trail uh this is um east of no I think the orange belt Trail comes into St Leo and understand I I think this is east of Happy Hill Road if I'm not mistaken on County Road right so that's Smith Road right there running parallel to St Leo and then prer road is your other North and South that connects to County I really need to see that as part of the application I think we we need to that to be on the application where is it in proximity to the to you know this is as important County Road fit to and it's east of Happy Hill Road Prospect Road this does not uh the orange B Trail does not run along this portion of the development it stops on Happ you and goes proceeds North so it goes north yeah so are there no Happy Hill so are there no plans to continue along this road to the high school or anything or we're just going to go to a regular sidewalk after that well right now this is just the uh the two lanes on County Road 52 and it's only 100 ft of rideway right now so I'm not sure how much I just someone needs to start looking at this stuff or I mean we need to have a plan this we are looking at them commissioner but this only has 100 ft uh so if there was going to be a a larger application of a trail or sidewalk system this would not achieve much of that Network well you know what I think the orange belt is wider is is it's like the penel trail right it's it's a wider Trail it's your main spine but your feeder Network to it while it doesn't have to be as wide as that it shouldn't be as wide as that it should be more than a sidewalk because people are going to want to get to it so you just need to have some kind of plan along a road like that as development comes in so I think it should be more than 5T do you have 5T right now you have nothing nothing yeah it would be required by the Land Development code as it exists now there's nothing it's just that two a road and there's a pretty substantial slope on each side of the road that's being used as drain there there's I you should get you should have an opportunity you should get some land for an opportunity so you're ready when it comes when that opportunity comes I see your County engineer walking the up here well the part of that uh 52 on the North side there is is slope there's no land for a for a walk on the South Side possibly could be sidewalks on the south side I mean otherwise any kid that lives in there is going to have to drive to school or or how are they going to get down to St Leo commins you know is there an you need some kind of Mobility on the side of that road you don't want people in the in State Road 52 County Road 52 walking or writing or pushing a stroller or whatever yeah that's something we're going have to take a look at cuz there's nothing from that point on toward the

high school after the high school there's some sidewalk but nothing I'm not sure there may be some sidewalk at at the fairgrounds you know I think you're right at the fairgrounds there may be some and that would be on the south side of 52 County Road 52 question CH question yes thank you chair how how' you come up with red six I I didn't come up with res six the comprehensive plan did that's just the the current future land use for this area is residential 6 I mean that's I'm not that's that's not what the neighboring properties are throughout is yeah well I mean I I just mentioned the those neighborhoods that are at a higher density or equal density just on the same road as this as well the surrounding areas also res six there are some smaller home lots there on that road so Mr chairman yes you got D city right in the border of it and we've seen what they've done oh yeah they're anex it and sell all the dirt off and put put put P density on it as well so we need to have a discussion with them by the way did um did you did our County engineer want to say anything or this is all R that's the only designation that's being shown this good afternoon nicken County engineer um we're in the middle of the PDN study for orange belt Trail so we definitely want to construct a facility that will provide the connectivity that you're envisioning U but we haven't nailed down any of the details yet yeah so if we approve this without any consideration of making sure we have something on the north we shot ourselves in the foot so I would want to make sure that that the uh that we have something what so sorry see that to your left is this is the north side to the right is the Southside and there's there's a sidewalk there and then what it just stops it runs across that business right there which is not a busy area there I don't know where this does the sidewalk continue on down the road do we know doesn't look like there's any there no there's a little one it's the old fashioned for foot okay and I I think that so that goes down probably to that station I'm seeing up on the right I don't know if it goes pass there it is y so so so it's on the south side of cter road well I see one on the North side too well probably where it can be like that it is but then where it's really slope there's no room for C so I just it's just kind of calling out that what's the plan and so we need to know what we want that to look like in the future and just slowly arrive at our vision well that sounds like from what Mr inin says that we are doing the PD and study to figure out where we're going to align said Trail we don't have that answer today um but you know but I don't think this is where we talked I think the orange belt turns North before here on the proposed alignment is that right no it doesn't go up Happy Hill now

that I'm thinking about it I think it's on this court on the North side I I think the right now envisions it being on the north side of County Road 52 I think it's on the North side here actually well the PD provides options right and Alternatives so it may or may not until the board finally adopts it when when it's complete so I'd love for it to go into San Antonio I think the people are going to ride there anyway but um I just think that when developments come in they need to show proximity to even if it's the proposed route so that we we're not hurting ourselves you know we sold off we sold off that railroad right away that we should never have and I asked it to stop and apparently some were still going through so um I think commissioner Marana wants to say something I'm just going to say it's going to be what a 5 foot side Sidewalk now or 4 foot it's four foot I think it's old kind I mean it looks like there's asphalt out in front I don't I don't see there's a big deal for that 100 ft just just asking to put an 8 foot in yeah well just just even reserve the right to get it if we need it that's that's what I'm saying the applicant said they they're fine adding a condition reserving that right for that for the 8ot on the uh specifically on the park along County Road 52 that they control I think the orange belt's wider than 8 foot but anyway be a long time for those other if if it's an additional 8ot to a 4 foot then you got the 12 so okay any questions answer yep that was my question let me make a motion for approval public we got people signant presentation you got okay public go ahead with do you want to applicant first or yeah African first yeah thank you Shelley Johnson 6400 Madison Street and I have been sworn I am the applicants representative we obviously support the staff's recommendation of approval as well as the planning commission's recommendation for approval and all of the conditions as well as the additional um condition that was just added we have no issues with that um but I am here to answer any questions I know that we do have a couple um residents here that had some questions that live you know down the road so I'm here to answer questions and so is our traffic engineer so okay all right okay you have two individuals signed up Mary mcnight Then followed by Irene losat um and when you come to this the podium to speak please state your name and address and whether or not you've been sworn yes I have something I hope to that you will approve to receive and file move to receive and file second all in favor say I I pass thank you I have been sworn in my name is Mary mcnight 36210 St Joe Road in dat City before the November 2nd planning board meeting at which this project was passed there had been no valid proof

that a public notice sign had been posted on Cherry Hills I want Cherry Hills heard Again by the County planning board to allow citizens a chance to voice concerns because if they hadn't known about the project how could they have come to speak last October I traveled up the BFW Road uh D City had mentioned that Rolling Hills 2 was under the planning process and I know Finding access points can be an issue so I assume that Aaron lyans was trying to find another access for one of her projects contig ous to this but on that visit I noticed there were no public notice signs I called Mr Vermilion to say that Aon had failed to post any signs and I was totally surprised when he told me that Aaron lyans was not involved at all now I was surprised because the folks at the VFW said they were selling Aon Lans the lot across the street uh Beacon civil engineering did the plans for the project she is their registered agent The Entity requesting the plans for Cherry Hills was quill 115 for which Aon lyans is also the register agent and she has every right to be involved with this project but her name is strangely absent from the paperwork at any rate the neighbors said they' only heard about this project from a Facebook page Mr vilon produced a copy of an affidavit attesting to the fact that the signs were indeed posted the top page of my handout to you shows this affidavit at the top it says Lori burkha authorized representative I assume the county has documentation showing that the named applicants the PFW and the trust have indeed made Lori burkha their authorized representative secondly there's an X under the attachment section indicating that a photo of the sign was attached to this affidavit as proof of posting but no photo was attached now this is the most disturbing part to me the notary of this affidavit was Aaron lyans florid a statute explicitly stipulates that a notary public may not notorized a document of a spouse Lor beraw is Aon lyan's spouse nor can she notorized anything for which she has a financial interest she did both this rendered the affidavit totally invalid this was pointed out to Mr Vermillion as I understanded the county asked Beacon to provide another affidavit one that was properly notorized right away a sign did appear and Mr ban received a photo of it although it has been faced down on the ground since that day this all occurred after Cherry Hills West had been approved under the planning board consent Agenda One Last paragraph I ask that the process be started over at the planning board stage not one person may show up but that is not the point the point is that this board shows citizens that it respects their right to proper public notice and that the commission demands integrity and professionalism from all stakeholders it's not your time sir thank you thank you next person all right Irene loat again as you approach the podium

name and address and state whether or not you've been sworn Irene losat 3 6654 opportunity way I actually am one of the neighbors swor what have you been swor I have okay thank you thank you um I am actually one of the neighbors that lives in one of the neighboring uh right around the corner from this development I don't necessarily oppose this uh project however I have to agree there was no notice um I spoke to Vermillion several times about the noticing issue um I was one of those neighbors that saw the post on Facebook showing that there was going to be a planning board um there was no sign I drive by that the VFW every single day to go back and forth to work there was no sign the minute that I mentioned it to Mr Vermilion the very next morning I spoke to him and I said did you have happened to speak to um the applicants and he said yes I said well cuz now there's a sign the sign appeared the very next day after he spoke to them that sign is today still laying on the ground um the problem that I have with this project is it's so congested in that one area with Abby Glenn across the street you've got Heritage Hills on the other side you have the Sheriff's Office substation right there the Forestry Department us trying to get in and out of our uh neighborhood you've got the fair and you got Pasco County uh High School all of that there are times when the fair or anything is going on at that time we will be sitting there for an hour or more waiting to be able to get into our road to go home after we've worked all day adding more in that area is it doesn't make sense to me um another thing is um if this is to be approved we are requesting or I'm requesting that the stub outs be removed that something in the documents would require that the stub outs from Cherry Hill not be allowed to go into the subdivision of Rolling Hills well that may may I well isn't our comment time I'll speak after because we have a legal easement that is our Ingress and egress that right now it's on appeal with the uh city of dve City so that has not been decided as of right now so rather than we would just like to eliminate those stub outs so we wouldn't have the traffic coming through our easement that is our Ingress and egress that's on our Deeds thank you okay thank you anyone else to speak to this item see no one applicant come forward on it got a question and I'll have a question after that okay Mr chair there's someone here that raise her hand oh I didn't see them so come forward can you give your name and address and state whether or not you've been sworn Jen carak 15925 Green Glen Lane Spring Hill Florida 34 610 I just happened to not have you been sworn yes I have been sworn thank you um I just noticed um according to and I could be wrong uh but

15885 purpose of an mpud uh shows a requirement of 50 acres and I just noticed this acreage was 34 so um I just wanted to point that out it looked as if it didn't meet the requirement for an mpud is I don't know the answer that Denise well thank you Denise can we answer that is there anyone online yeah was there anybody no okay applicant I'm just curious uh is this a for sale Housing Development I'm sorry what was that is it a for sale Housing Development or is it a rental um I don't know that there's an end buyer right now um because they haven't even I mean they're just going through the MPD process is just like you know the other developers so um I don't know that there's an end buyer for this property right now but it is a mix of the 40s 50s um you know lot size which is what this area is developing out around I did actually I do have a um an exhibit if you want to see it that kind of shows you all the stuff that's going on around this property but immediately I'd like to see the connectivity of the roads immediately adjacent to the property is um Rolling Hills 1 which is in Dade City and that's I think William mentioned it it's a 700 unit de development with 40 50s and 60s Villas and town homes so um and they have access coming out on County Road 52 are are they are they rental uh no we don't have it's a lar is the who is potentially buying that property but we that there's no we haven't closed on that property yet as far as Rolling Hills so one of our rules and you know this is where we get in trouble when people say don't let them connect then everyone is out on 52 and no one can go anywhere so we have to have connectivity um between and a grid system around community so what is the grid system around this so Rolling Hills right now on the conceptual or not I'm sorry um Cherry Hill on the conceptual you can see that um we have stub outs to the North or to the east to the west and to the South I I only see this I don't have anything else yeah it's on the NPD oh yeah that was that that other one one right that was um the step out to the east that will go into Rolling Hills one which is that development I was just telling you about they have access going out to County Road 52 and that is going to be a signalized intersection um so you'll have that access which this will then be able to connect to as well as the um access that it will have on County Road 52 okay very good and then of course W that road that's at the top of it it just goes to the property line there's no Arrow what is that that's what she said the road that's on top of the the nor so see where the arrow is that goes to Rolling Hills Annex ined date City yeah and that would be to the east there's a road to the north of that yes it has no Arrow does that go does that is that a road that will one day maybe continue yeah it will continue it'll be connected into Rolling Hills and then

Rolling Hills comes out on State Road or on County Road 52 at a signalized inter section about a half a mile um west of or east of this property okay and then the one connection to the West is future roadway there okay but the the okay access to this goes through another neighborhood no so we have access on County Road 52 which is what's shown right here on this yeah but the staff did request that we provide Stouts to the West which you can see that one have to do the East which the East is where Rolling Hills is and then to the South um and that East access actually will that that Rolling Hills which is in dat City that development that PD actually has another connection is signalized out to County Road 52 um so you'll have that and then you'll have Happy Hill so you'll have you know breaks in the signalization but that is um the plan that there will be connection with there with that other development um there was a question about the affidavits um I didn't do the noticing but the affidavits have been provided we did confirm with staff um the pictures were provided my understanding from one of the residents who just came up to me while I was sitting there I guess someone keeps pulling the sign down and he keeps putting it back up um the one of the members from the VFW um so but the the posting the affidavit everything was provided as you know as stated um so I don't know why you guys have to take a photo of it when it's put up they did yes that my the beacon engineering did it and they did provide the county a photo of it as long along with the affidavit saying that they did their mailing so I'm not really sure why the assertion is being made that the noticing wasn't done but was this project presented to uh dat City no it's not I think we've talked I think there's been I let me reiterate let me let me restate I think we've had conversations that this has been talked about in relation to Rolling Hills and that we have it with the county but no we didn't we have never um submitted anything to D City for this development I heard different but that yeah no we haven't right no it's right on the boundary but no it's always we we've always been in the county on it so any other questions no I just wanted that um to talk about the importance of connectivity because if every neighborhood only had 52 to to move around in it would be parking lot mhm so um we've made the mistake before where we cancelled the connectivity but it's much better if you have as many as possible for everybody if there were a crash on 52 and you had to get get somewhere mhm you could go through that you know we had a crash on 54 or we had a a truck dump oil cooking oil on 54 and no one could go Easter West because there's no road going Easter West but State Road 54 so no one could get home no one could get to businesses they lost it was a disaster

on the road yeah yeah I think that was the only issues or questions was the public noticing and so if I'll be Happ to answer any questions so so was it corrected about the uh notary and it's a fact that a notary came can't know rise you yeah my understanding is that is correct and is that still the way it is I mean no they fixed it my understanding is that that when it was brought to the County's attention they had the applin code go back out and fix the affidavit and they had someone else notorized it but the posting as required for noticing for the public was in fact done so and they they did provide that proof to the uh County staff I don't know I just have an uneasy feeling about this project for some reason so yes sir Mr based on the variety of reasons that were talked about here today I'm uneasy about 160 units on 34 Acres there no connectivity everybody bottlenecking out in 52 a project with the development across the street just I'm not sure the if the densities that are proposed here on the right fit and I understand commissioner Mariano's point about the city day and see it in and yeah there was what they would what they would put on there so kind of like where I don't cut and then the connectivity Point commission start no it needs the connectivity like it's got a lot cut cut the deck here if you see the exhibit and we put it up um that identifies all the existing surrounding development um like I said Rolling Hills 1 is 700 units a 50 60s town home Villa I know that Abby Glenn's got 40s in it um and Rolling Hills 2 which is pending with Dade City right now is going to be similar uh to Rolling Hills one with regards to the lots and the mix of uses I I I'm I'm concerned that this board making a decision today would compound dat City's potential problem where is Happy Hill on this it's to the west to the West is Summit View the DAT City one where they took off all the dirt minimum 40 this project so there is and actually if you look at the larger aerial I don't know if there was an aerial in the PowerPoint but if you look at the AR larger area you can see that this area is kind of surrounded by all this approved development that's coming online so it's actually kind of an infill um with regards to what's actually going on you know going to actually physically be going on on the ground around those properties around this particular property so it kind of sits in the middle of it all so our minimum lot size we adopted the R it's 45 ft with side Set Max at what 7 ft d d cities is 50 uh good point chair when when was this come in because this project doesn't even seem to be in compliant with our rules um it does have the condition in there that the board adopted I don't know when um when Beacon filed this particular project but it does actually

have on if you look at condition 37 and 38 it actually has the C's position with regards to if we go above 50% on the 40s um that we have to actually do the the rear load you know all that good stuff those conditions that you guys require are in the actual approval so we are that would be a question for staff this project received first round comments prior to the PM 26 memo coming out so they weren't subject to it the conditions that we did have from it are the overall lot standards for the 50 foots that we saw but they still were able to get the 40ft Lots because they got those first round comments prior to the PM 26 okay this um could who's going to provide uh water and sap to this this project yes that'll be dat City do you have that approval because the reason I'm asking is right now dat city has uh cut several projects off their list right now on and put them on hold because they do not have capacity for for sewage or or water at this time so Rolling Hills one this this big development next to Cherry Hills this one um we actually have the capacity reserved we have um we've already done that we have our an approved USA with dat City we're one of the few big developments out there that do um so we have that capacity so um I've had conversations with the city attorney um depending on timing when this thing would come online you know whether we could potentially pull from some of that Rolling Hills capacity you know and and work out some type of situation like that but right now we have service to the property adjacent and so there's potentially for us a little bit more capacity to get a hold of than maybe um some of the other developments that are dealing with that right now but I am we are aware of the issue for sure with with regard to Wastewater Mr chairman I just want to make it for the record since that's being discussed the only record our office has of the advertisements is being advertised in the Tampa Bay Times on October 18 2023 um and it was advertised for December 5th and it was continued from that meeting to this meeting so I just that's the only thing our office has of of proof of advertisement right just so you know okay will does does the staff file have revised affidavits of of posting and the the other issues that as Johnson has indicated have been revised yes absolutely we have the revised affidavit as well as the photo of the sign posting you just didn't provide them to the clerk's office no so I made this agenda packet prior to receiving the direction to include those okay and I I have them in the staff file on the G dve and we can pull them up on the screen if you guys would like as long as as long as the county has them in the official record absolutely we also have copies of the certified mailing so you will provide them to our office absolutely thank you

okay well I don't know I still have an uneasy feeling about this this property of this this position Mr wait thank you chair yeah you know something's going to happen here whether city of dat City annexes it or not so I think it's the best interest of the county to make the right decision here um based on the number of units I think we might consider I'd be willing to to make a motion to continue this item maybe reconfigure the lot sizes on here maybe move to you know the minimum lot size in the 50s and keep your keep your uh options going on up from there um and then then bring it back once we see something that might be a little less dense than 160 single family units on 34 Acres right here without any connection Shelley Johnson again I just just for the record if if in fact you want to require all 50s and no 40s I don't think my my client will have an issue with that so we'd be fine with that I'm not I'm not looking to go all 50s I'm looking to keep the variety especially the large watt sizes I'm not looking to to have one product type here and I think yeah the board's kind of list do 50s and 60s I think uh whichever T I'd say we give move make a motion to continue and they come back with that type of direction from us and we see it again yeah I'd like a little more time myself to look into it a little more that's fine we're fine with that if you want to continue it I have no issue with that we can talk a little further about specific time or we want to do a Time certain to continue it to I would you do it to a Time certain the next city next dat City meeting would be February February February 6 February 6th at 1:30 and or soon say may you don't want to be part of date City you want don't go past that so don't want date City to anex I'll make a motion to continue you said February 6 February 6th at 1:30 or soon there after February 6 at 1:30 with [Music] um a different plan I guess you could so well continue they've got the may I say something I don't know that that gives us enough time to meet the deadlines for the agenda processing the February 6th I don't have the list but I'm I'm sure it's very it's very soon the next one would be um March 12th that the next one that's on this side after February to that why don't you just pick a number that's less than what they're they've got and let them figure out how to lay it out and so what is it 160 units they want 160 units on 34 AC so why don't you do say 130 units or something won't you let the developer decide decide the mix of size of lot cut down make it less dense I think there's other issues that I want to discuss um in that area and I I have concern concerns about right now so continue would be better for me so Mr chairman yes and I mean I'll I'll go with that but I just want you really

consider the borderline properties D City D City will hop over they'll move over they'll probably go this through if you don't approve it even to what you want whether it be 56 without even stating the number yet um I think you jeopardize it going especially now we can't do in February we got to push your debt back further they may get frustrated and say you know what we'll just go do da City we're done I really think if you if you really want to get the less density Now's the Time to ask for it but I mean they've got to go to dat to do that so I mean I'm okay with that so CH which scenario which scenario are you comfortable with I'm always trying my best to help you well thank you are they talking to you or me can Siri redesign the project for us if that's Siri we're not talking to you that's hilarious I'm I'm good with moving it to March the first meeting the first meeting in in March back here no the second meeting back here so would be March 12th would be the March meeting in date cting so in my motion to continue the item to March 12 here in day to okay and I'll second discussion can I ask the applicant if they're okay with that date yeah we're okay with that date okay so we can figure out how we want to lay it out all right any more discussion any more questions anyone else here in the audience to speak to this item seeing none we have a motion in a second all those in favor say I I I I I I all opposed like sign hearing none uh motion pass for zero p75 my huh p75 I thought we didn't do it I thought we did do it oh okay p75 p75 lium Divine Planning Development I don't know if you want a full presentation or to jump back to commissioner starky's comments commission what questions this was about the sidewalks about the what oh the sidewalks on which one 7575 yeah but I don't yet I don't have memorized okay no it's okay I can go over at PDD 24775 2 in the name of BMC um 31722 State Road 52 LLC oh yeah do you do you want a presentation no I just want to make sure that we're going to be able to have Mobility other than a car so so what I I think the orange belt question was already answered by Terry pitos that it's going to be on the north side of 52 um for your question on if the developer would be wanting up to an 8ot sidewalk um I I'll let the developer answer that question the applicant but I will note that the project to the West which already has approved site plan which is an MP is Leo at San Antonio that already has a site approved site plan and that already has an approved 5ot um wide sidewalk to

the east is under which is a let me show on here so you can see um to the east that's currently not highlighted in um to the red that is a mf1 zoning District that was approved probably two years ago um and that is currently under site plane Ro View and our um reviewers have commented that they are required to put a 5ft sidewalk as well so there will be 5ft sidewalks on either side so if you require an an 8ot here it would be an 8ot by itself connecting do we want to talk to um is that that mixed use that Mr Landis is involved in there's two nice projects coming in there is this this this uh rental is this the rental Community that's a like a village to the east yeah yeah so it I'm I'm not sure if it's a rental Community but it is Village that on connected City it's within the connected City boundaries I think it's a build to rent I think so but I'm not 100% sure where's this and it has a lot of and it connects there's a commercial to the West on that corner public I I don't know I know that there's commercial components to the Leo at San Antonio so I'm not sure but the mf1 doesn't have commercial that would be to the east so I just I just think we should be trying for 8ot minimum and just I think we should ask for that and if we don't use it we give it to them but until we till we're a little further along we should be asking for eight not I'm not saying 12 but I'm saying eight so 8ot wide sidewalk as a general rule as part of our standard section cuz I right now just until we we know what's going on here you know two two people pushing a baby stroller can't do it on a 5ft ccle sure I think that's the minimum we should be having I mean but there's a plan for a trail on the other side of the road which would accommodate that provided they can safely cross to go there so I'm just trying to balance this out in terms of so where where does it access here where is the trail coming in here I'd have to defer to staff on I just know it's along the north side Nick I'm just saying where where I know it's a proposed route but can you put that proposed route up that you just sent a press release out on who's got that press release from last week I can describe it sorry cuz I I don't have this area memorized I know that that it comes along the target the trail comes onto the or County Road 5 Corridor right here at this corner from the Northwest and then it would run along the County Road 52 on the North side all the way east across across the property front and and we're sure it's going to be on the North and not the South sure sure until we present it to the Commission in March for our final vote so your plan right now is to be on the North side not on the south the the recommended alternative is a 12T pave

Trail on the north side of County Road 52 Within These limits all right if you guys you guys are happy with the five PL chairman Mar chairman Mar may I ask the applicant say have commission not yet we'll get you I was going to have a question because and we're supposed to be doing the audit on the connected city right of how much what the entitlements are left and how much only entitlements left are multif family and its high density so because of that I guess this we he talk but because of the volume of of people and likely people on foot moving around um tend to I agree with the direction commissioner starky going just because the volume of potential I'm sorry bar will height 6327 Grand Boulevard Newport this is an amendment to a voluntary deed restriction for a property that you already Zone C2 we are so far away from what you all are talking about with changing a voluntary voluntary deed restriction on this property in connection with the self storage facility we want to be able to have RV and Boat Storage interior to a self storage facility that's where what we're doing this is not a new zoning this is so that we can have RV and Boat Storage interior to a storage facility you've heard that both on our West and our East you already got plans in for 5 foot sidewalk side sidewalks your code says 5 foot sidewalks Denise said she's working on something regarding public regarding neighborhood not notices tell her to change the code 5 foot to something else so we don't have to keep doing this each time we come up here what is the commercial on the front of this storage to we have to do so in our deed restriction what we already agreed to to get C2 zoning we agreed to a minimum of 10,000 ft of office uses along our Frontage there's a whole list of them we prohibited car washes gas stations drive-thru restaurants Standalone recreational vehicle and Boat Storage Standalone um no commercial vehicles no commercial related equipment we agreed that our self storage be fit 250 ft back from the county road U 52 RightWay we agreed that we would do a sub out to the west to be able to accommodate golf cart and low-speed vehicle interconnectivity to the property to the west and all we're standing here asking you to do is to change our voluntary deed restrictions so we can have RV and Boat Storage interior to our self storage facility which I own both RVs and boats and you need more of those and the fact that you've got it where we've designed it now that we're setting back our storage facility off of 52 putting a minimum requirement of 10,000 scit office on 52 and then saying we any boat storage has be interior you have overregulation now you have to do 8 ft I think that's just going a little far but you can change your code and if they

come in for a site plan after your code gets changed then they'll be 8 feet but I I'd ask you not to do this to this applicant um they went way above and beyond I haven't seen a deed restriction like this yet to make sure that you were going to have something quality on 52 next to the other project which yes that's Mr landis's Project to the west and that's why we have to have that golf cart connectivity to our office well i' I'd hate to if if Leo at San Antonio mpud is willing to put a 8ot sidewalk in well I mean they're already approved they construction plans just because they're approved doesn't mean they don't I mean are they already in construction I have no idea and and and um I guess this is kind of an County engineer question since that road changed from a state road to a county road is there any room on that width to move some of that width to accommodate a wider sidewalk right way is the right away whatever it is yeah but can the lanes is it a short is it a slower speed so the lanes don't need to be as wide like I mean I just don't just wondering if if rules change in the engineering world for yeah she was worried we're certainly willing to look into it but but I think your administrator is right the U design standards that we follow are consistent with the state's design standards I'm not sure that's what I was asking um if are there different design standards for a high-speed State Road versus what should be a lower speed County Road that's now a more neighborhood Road right I mean it's not you don't an anticipate same kind of traffic that or speed that would be on Clinton that would be on Old County County that's correct so what is the speed limit on County Road 52 uh depends on where you're at will it change I mean will any of these people ever be able to I just caution you on that line of thought commissioner cuz most drivers will drive what they're comfortable driving on a road and if that was Nar them down right geometrically it was designed for a faster speed I'm sure and so drivers will probably drive so you know to the county attorney's point the right of way is the right of way so well that's that's my point and I recall when we were having a discussion at the very beginning of laying out orange belt Trail and wondering if since we're going to have a new County Road versus a state road um would there be RightWay sufficient and I mean we would want to slow down that road if it's more neighborhood traffic anyway right so a narrower Road slows traffic down right yes so maybe there's some of that's 45 now I think 40 and 45 coming up to Happy Hill from Dade City on that road is is slow you may want to have that road be no faster than 35 at some point cuz then it

can have golf carts on it but there are certain areas that going to that slow it down there's lights in there and around St Le there's lights between there and Happy Hill and Prospect I mean there's I just there's a lot of stuff coming in there you you may have a lot more people getting around other than getting in their car and driving that's my that's my point yeah we just have to look into it because today we're in a state of emergency we need to finish these items up so we can send people home Mr chairman let's keep in mind this this this site was designed to be a professional office now we changes Self Storage it was supposed to be what professional office no it was Zone C3 is what it actually was zoned before we changed to C2 and made all these restrictions on it it's already zoning we already only thing that you're being asked today this is this is not a zoning action Z this is they're asking for their deed restriction to be amended because they had the deed restriction with the zoning that's the only reason they back before you can can I ask you a question what when did we start requiring boats and RVs to be interior is a new thing right here if you approve this this is this is your precedent so is that what we're what and I'm I'm not objecting to that but I've never seen us do that before so is that a new thing that we're requiring I I think it was just sensitivity obviously when if you look at the DED restriction that was already imposed there was a lot of thought by a bunch of people at the county a good group of folks at the county that put their heads together and said we really want to make sure this area is done right put their heads together and they said we don't want Self Storage on 52 even though it's County Road 52 we want to see it behind we ask the client to do a minimum amount of professional office we don't even have you don't even see that inan districts so and then the question was okay with the self storage and Slayer to a self storage facility can we have RV and Boat and the decision with this amendment is yes if we have an interior so that's the history of where we've been on so I'm I'm okay with this to J your Stu stuff as long as they this isn't the only one that has to do it I mean it's the only one that number one this one's got a lot it's got a lot of things on it that they don't the only one here I mean to do Aidan zoning and have a minimum amount of of office on it but well my my point in what I was saying before was maybe there's a way to get to an 8ot eventually out there without having without taking it from them but going towards the 52 State Road 52 County Road 52 sounds like it's not a matter of right of way I mean you have right of way these sidewalks go your ride away what is that je but I've ride away for 5 foot not an 8 foot is that what your staff said that's what you said no I mine's about what I'm required to put what we're required to develop in your right way we requ we required by

code to develop 5 right away of your of your for your sidewalk system because if you look and then we hook to it the request it's not guys what do you want to do do you want to just leave it I mean I I see barbera's point I just wish we had I think we need to leave it work this if I may Liam your findings of fact say that this is site is currently a professional office is that correct So currently what was on that site from the last rezoning about two years ago and I can go to the finding fact I think that was approved March 7 2023 was an office that was approved that site was originally seed 3 and had one specific use so that site could only be used for one thing so nothing else in C3 um and that was approved for professional office for computers so that would have been the only use previously in March 7th um 20123 it was approved to C2 with the deed restriction um and then this would be amending that deed restriction and the deed restriction my client is agreeable to 8T 8T of what oh the oh oh thank you all right let's call it Mr communicate with them sorry I'm glad that was stay they can easily uh they can easily get down to the grocery store and everything then okay yeah trying to get to the radar commissioner would you like to make that motion I would move to approve with 8 foot um with the ability to do an OT I think need sorry no I was just going to clarify that would have to be in the voluntary deed restriction that would have to come back I don't know if it would have to come back or agree she we don't want her to have to come back so whatever we do today we're done figure out how we do that but not back we have a lot of items okay so was that a motion you've got a motion yeah I made it second yeah and a second all those in favor say I I I I all opposed like sign we got two pass 4 Z what can we not have done yet 78 um 78 p78 oh my God look at this watch this and I hear the rumbling out there so we watch this is crazy what happens try to get that red line what's what happens to that red L Devils hi just my name's lean McDonald with the roal property division the real property division received a petition to vacate a platted right of way filed by William J Hart and William ahart Wagner the petitioner seeks to vacate approximately 525 by 35 ft of undeveloped platted RightWay purpose of this vacation is to adjoin the parcels together vacating the platted ride of way will not adversely impact any other Parcels there is no objection to this petition and the team recommends approval Mr chairman for the record this um item was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times December 10th and December 17th 2023 okay thank you okay any questions any questions I do not have anyone signed up for this item is there anyone else here to speak to this

item see a none move to second I got a motion and second all those in favor say I I I for the record I have three Commissioners well but we have a that's a quum I know that's a quum we're good yeah and and it passes 30 thank you there something else I need to do nope okay I know the quorum's at 3 so yeah yes all right p79 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times August 23rd 2023 and by affida certified mailings and site postings all right Commissioners Denise Hernandez Planning and Development um this item was originally presented to you on October 10th 2023 it's pd24 cu2 for pasal land and CLE company LLC Skyway Towers Verizon Wireless for a 155 ft above ground level monopine originally it was submitted as a monopole um wireless communication facility in an ar1 District which is located in central Pascal County on the north side of Green Willow Run approximately 2,000 ft east of qu Hollow Boulevard when the item was presented to you back in in October um the board suggested to the applicant that the and the applicant agreed to uh modify the the um the tower design for it to be a monopine which I'll try to find the so this is what the generally the tower will look like it will be a Modine um the pole will be will be painted brown and it will have fronds similar to what a mon what a pine tree would look like but like pine tree fronts um the applicant was also asked to see if he can work with the landowner to move the location to uh northeasterly on the property and it is my understanding from what the applicant has explained that the um property owner has not agreed to that however this is the prior um site plan uh showing that it's centrally located in the uh Tower compound um now the applicant has shown that it's located more northeasterly within the uh compound lease area and generally on the parcel this is the the parcel it's a rather large piece of property and it's located um where this yellow dot would be on the parcel um the applicant has also provided photo simulations showing what um the they they actually um float up a balloon in the air and then they place the the monopine where that would be and uh this is um facing north towards the proposed Tower from Green Green Willow Run without the facility and with the facility I believe the applicant may have a a a correction to this because the actual driveway um is U is in in a different um um configuration than what the one we're seeing today right now this is on the left without the facility on the right with the facility the facility is is up here then again uh facing Northeast towards the tower to the proposed location from Green Willow one run without the facility on the left with the facility on the right this is facing west without on the left uh with on the right and this comes here with a recommendation of approval with conditions as included in your agenda packet um and I am here for any

questions that you may have any questions for Denise yes thank you chair the uh I just want to to confirm uh the applicant met with our office and that they're that they're going to keep the P the buffering I don't if they're here but keep the buffering in the mature pinees shouldn't be improved keep keep the density of those of the existing Pines and dis disrupt as minimally as possible and keep those there for as long as they [Applause] can that a true statement she's looking for the condition oh okay I'm looking to see if there's a condition that specifically says that because in the past I have added conditions that saying no tree shall be removed but for the trees that are required to for the compound go with that um and on this one it does not state that we can add that if that's the pleasure of the B County Commissioners I asked that too that that was it's out of this guy's control um because that he's only buying sorry he's only buying that or or renting or whatever is's doing that pad and I think the trees in front of it are owned by the owner of the land but if the owner of the land wants the income from the pole then hopefully he will agree that no reason to take that those trees out I also um asked if they could look at the driveway design so that when you're you're driving down the road and you look in and if you guys met with them you saw the visuals they didn't put any screening on the front and so um he said he could work with doing the design of the driveway and make it sure there's plantings on the front of that as well but that would be within condition three which is that they have to comply with the buffering requirements they have to so that's a requir they didn't right in the site plan that's shown but that's not they have to come in for a preliminary site plan in accordance to with your condition number seven so when they come in with the preliminary site plan they have to show a minimum of a 10-ft buffer around the the the compound so well they had the way they had the front designed with the gate and the way the driveway came in there was a whole completely that that's not unland consistent with the code yeah right any other questions for Denise if not then is there anyone signed up to speak oh the applicant where is he there good um Mr carala are you with the are ems like making sure you know there's tornadoes just want to make sure when I looked they're not here they're it's it's s in the other side of the county but just you know make sure we're not sitting up here with a tornado coming yeah we are currently under a tornado warning yeah but there is one on the

other side M um so people here they got someone's watching to make sure we don't have one pop up here yes we will keep it from having thank I don't want to be on top of this bu activated the for okay you can do wonders that's yes sir hi good afternoon James johnon with SH 300 Orange Avenue behalf of the applicant I've been sworn um I know we've got all the weather so and we had a full hearing back in October so I don't want to uh belabor uh anything too much but um I think as Denise did indicated um you know after the after the continuance we did go back to the property owner to see if there's a possibility they were agreeable to moving our lease area around on the parent parcel uh and they were not agreeable to do that so then we um you know are kind of left with uh our lease area and what we can do in our lease area and so um what we have proposed um the the changes to try to alleviate some of the concerns expressed by the commission and the residents were to change to a monopine type Tower which we think is consistent with the area from the monopole that was originally proposed we move the tower into the northeast corner of the lease area and we know that this is not a a great move but it's uh what we control and it takes it from the closest property lines uh um to what we can do in our leasee area um we also created uh as commissioner Lightman said a no clearing buffer area within our lease compound to not remove uh the trees um other than the trees we'd have to move or remove for the access road uh and like you know the the fenced area um and then we did change the uh driveway angle and unfortunately the photo Sims that were submitted for the monopine included the old Direct in um access and so I just was if I can put this up on the this was the revised plan and you'll see it has an angled in uh driveway with the purpose of you don't have direct view into the to the tower compound um you'll have the trees kind of in the front and the back of the angled um yeah it'll be so you can see with the with the angled driveway like that to leave uh the the trees to to minimize view of the tower compound um and so uh those were the changes we were able to do in the area we control um I also at the last hearing there were some uh concerns raised about property values by some of the surrounding uh neighbors so after the last hearing we engaged uh Dave talby with Lee palardy uh Incorporated who is an uh ma certified appraiser to look at the issue and I know again we're trying to to speed through these things but I just wanted him to come up and introduce himself his qualifications and very briefly talk about the results of his um study David tlby Lee poty Incorporated 609 East Jackson Street Tampa 33602 and I have been sworn the applicant asked me to prepare a tower damage impact study and what that is is it's a study to determine whether or not proximity to a seller communication

Tower is disruptive or damages property valuations and I've been studying this issue now for nearly 25 years I've studied 460 plus Tower installations I have yet to be able to find and support that a tower install a has any impact on the valuation of surrounding property I've looked at rural property undeveloped rural property I've looked at Urban I've looked at single family I've looked at commercial I've looked at monopine Towers stealth Towers monopole Towers selfs supporter Towers I've studied them all over 25 years also I like to point out or bring to your attention that I have interviewed nearly every single property appraiser along the west coast of Florida starting up in the Panhandle and Calhoun Jefferson and Leon counties all the way down to Naples and cers County and over into orange and simal County and everywhere in between including Lake and Pasco Daniel via who's a senior Property Appraiser for Pasco County and one of his Representatives Chris Poe I've talked to both of them on multiple occasions Pasco County as well as all these other Counties have never made a reduction in a property assessment due to proximity to a tower so you have to ask yourself with all the opposition how can that possibly be and the property appraisers do the same thing I do we analyze sales and resales and there just is no support that a tower installation will impact a property valuation and I have a copy of my study that I can uh submit for the record I move to receive in file second all those in favor say I I I all right motion to pass 4 Z thank you thank you can I go back to again just to um to wrap up I think it's um you know it's important your code provides you know in deciding where these goes these towers go to require first to look for Co um which we did and we're not able to um collocate on any existing Tower there's no Tower within uh closest one is 1.25 miles um I think the other thing your code does that's important is it recognizes the complexity of um RF engineering and design of systems and so under your code um it requires expert review due to the complexity and this is the language from the code due to the complexity of the methodology and analysis required and so you're you've had an outside expert look at this they also agree with the Verizon RF um documents that are submitted in the record that there's a need at this height in this area so uh again we would just um uh ask that you uh follow the staff recommendation of approval Planning Commission recommendation of approval the outside your outside experts recommendation and um approve this conditional use we're here to answer questions and like I know there's some people from the neighborhood and so we just like a very brief time to come back up as needed it's here yeah thank you getting pretty dark outside

guys all right all right there's no one signed up but signed up I'm assuming maybe in the public since we're on the last item the public oh yeah is anyone here to speak to this item thought okay uh line up as you come to the podium please give your name and address and state whether you been sworn thank you J that hello my name is Merl forani I am 8810 coil Run Drive Lesley Chapel in um so on this first page um I wanted to start by showing the Verizon provided RF Maps um this first page here is the current coverage and this next page is with um the added Tower in the proposed location um so on this one this next page this is where um I wanted to provide a comparison of the two maps I did this by doing both a digital and physical overlay to compare them to show the borders of current signal and improved Sy um what you can see here is what did I do I went back there we go I guess I got to use this so right here and here all of this is already covered by current towers and I understand coverage is not the name of the game it's capacity here and here are the only two additional areas from this Tower placement here that would have benefit what I want you to notice here is that this dead zone right here is Shen andoa of Saddlewood um and then on the next page keep in mind I wanted to show street names so this is from Google Maps this here is shanono of Saddlewood and then right here is where the tower is going to be for green will and poos location all these little roads right here I wish I could zoom in um are private access roads that I want to draw your attention to keep in mind Chenoa is still in the dead zone for where the tower is proposed to go we're not saying no Tower we're just saying move it a little bit those private access roads are on 3 acres of property um so what I wanted to show next oh thank you um so right here these are all the access roads that even Google Maps can see um and then on the next one do you mind zooming zooming out again although you can see it right here this is on a survey that they even provided in the public agenda note showing that there is an access road at the last meeting they were mentioning they didn't think an access road existed where they could move the tower a little bit Northeast and still have feasible you know ability to get to set Tower to maintain it Etc I wanted to show in multiple areas that there is a possibility to access it um and then here um I wanted to show another issue was what lands on this property now keep in mind both Parcels are 150 acres they are owned by the same people that are out ofate owners that do not live here I wanted to show this on something that you guys were familiar with that you see your Maps um I've seen them used here so that's why I use this one these are the Wetland areas and this right here is that same Access Road here is where the tower is located this

access road is seen by Google Maps by the survey and your own program there are all these dry locations here that the tower could be where it's not impacting us I I just I've been trying to email this and I I keep missing internal dates apparently and Denise has helped me and explained so much so I really appreciate you um but my point is is like we moved out here to be more insulated from views like this and we understand that they're making it a pine now but just please consider we moved out here to avoid this and I hope that this provides proof that there other options and resources that are not being considered that would benefit everyone and mostly us who already live here thank you very much name and address and state of you uh Ben R my name is Stephanie lefu and our address is 26929 Coral Vine Lane and Wesley Chapel and and have you been swarmed yes I have thank you thank you appreciate that and I am a realtor not an appraiser um but I am a realtor and I did research search online on National Association of realtor website and in speaking with an appraiser they told me to research external obsolescence and it's a form of depreciation caused by factors not on the property itself such as environmental social economic forces an example would be a garbage dump cell tower or graveyard something that you can't control and once that cell tower is there then we've got that going on and affecting values um homeowner can't reverse that of course um perar um the acade academic research on the cell phone towers on property values impact ranges from 2.65 to 7.6% of the values of the homes um of course Wildlife are more sucess more sensitive excuse me to electromagnetic fields and humans some states require disclosure of cell phone towers or other nuisances it would not be something that would be a benefit to to us that live in the area when you see it especially when when you're on the property and you see the the cell tower around the home it's less appealing for anybody if you live there or you're thinking about buying there you're going to get less we find that homes closed to Towers sell for a discount of up to 7.6% and that any noticeable effect disappears um anyway hold on and perception of those effects that can impact with it being potentially a health risk um American um Cancer Society they said it continues um it still needs to be looked at further it has caused in rats um tumors in the heart and different places and they said it still needs to be looked at in depth uh with the effect of people of course um so they said more studies need to be done it's hard to say whether or not it's going to affect us physically and our health but it's going to affect our values and it is it is not appealing to look out and see one of those tall towers anywhere near your house um especially in a downturn market um the negative impact

increases um to nearly 7% and 9.78 and they pulled they spoke to people about the potential impact of a cell phone Tower and it states if purchasing or renting a property near a cell phone base station over a third or 38% of the control group respondents said that cpbs would reduce the price of the property than more by more than [Applause] 20% and it it may it may be that we have to disclose those cell phone towers within so many feet of your property it could affect us in that way also which would be detrimental so I just propose that it be put in a place that's not residential I mean there's plenty of businesses around us there's the Grove there's there's got to be a better location that W be affecting us we bought we've been there for years we've been there since ' 08 and it will adversely affect us so we're asking for something else to be done thank you so much thank you next name and address for the clerk and if you've been sworn sorry didn't name and address for the clerk and then if you've been sworn yes I've been sworn Kelly L Musa 26218 green Willow Run I will reside approximately 1,000 ft from this Tower um I am certainly glad to hear the details of home value that is one factor of this the other is that but uh I would like to see a future impact of this Tower because that's not been discussed in these meetings will P County monitor this and keep Verizon to its original intent we'd like to see the original contract and its extent of how long this lease will occur will Verizon rent their Tower to other providers and not notify the community and saturate the community even further with more with more bandwidth will it go to a higher bandwidth of 10g what is its future impact with that we are not getting any type of safety impact with this and I am asking that the board please recommend this information for public review uh from Verizon and allow the community to have a state of addressment with that because we've already decided at this point as it appears that this is already being approved and all Verizon is waiting on is which design we we desire we and the public have not approved this however we are asking for more details and in the meantime I am a vote against it so I ask that you reconsider some of the details needed to further uh review this for insight thank you for your time thank you name and address and if you been fance 26435 green Willow one um yes I have been scorning I was here last time and talked to you and I look right next door to where the tower is going in it's 50 ft from my property which is very upsetting I didn't go into any any my concerns about any health because I was we were told at the very beginning the health uh scares and the home values didn't matter because of FCC

rules even with knowing that I left here with some hope because of the questions that Commissioners asked Verizon they wanted to know how this is going to fill the Gap if there's going to be any more coverage if it what all of the things were if it could be moved that hope for me was dashed yesterday when the uh appraisers not the appraisers the um surveyors came in in the afternoon to do the final survey and put permanent markers in on the property I felt like why am I even going to that meeting tomorrow because if they're already putting in permanent markers they must know something I don't know then I started doing more research and I found out about the high pitch uh noises the cell towers emit then I started getting really nervous about it because since I was a child I've had a thing with my ears that I can hear high-pitch noises that other people never hear there are stores jewelry stores I can't even go in because of the noise so I started being concerned about that can I continue for a second so because there is no significant filling of the Gap with this Tower I would ask the committee to please oppose it going in thank you thank you name and address and if you've been sworn hi I've been sworn in I'm Tim Donan 26422 green Willow Run in Wesley Chapel and have you been sworn yes I've been sworn thank you at the first um neighborhood meetings that we had with Verizon last October 19th or I'm sorry August 19th I ask if the tower would work physically work anywhere on this 342 acre property and their answer was yes it would work anywhere on that property so why do they choose this particular place to ruin and damage our neighborhood it just doesn't make any sense why this particular spot when they've got so much land uh to choose from last uh meeting October uh 10th commissioner Mariano said let's take a 3-month wait and let's let Verizon and the property owner try to come up with a different location that makes more sense that would actually benefit people rather than harm people as we don't need the cell tower where we are uh I've had great reception with my phone my internet has been great for 20 some years oh this isn't going to benefit the people that it's going to harm the most they say there's a the tree line will cover it to where nobody will see it well the tree line is at the most 75 ft tall this is 155 ft tall so the tree Line's not going to cover it at all it'll be visible for anybody around I'm also concerned with the weather the Hurricanes the tornadoes it's going to blow steel through people's windows on their houses and Verizon says no it just Falls straight to the ground well that's 80 ft it's going to fall before it ever hits the tree line and and that 80 ft can it blow into someone's house or

yard I would say so and even if it's on the ground well what are we told every time there's a hurricane get everything off your property so nothing's blowing through anybody's Windows well even if it's on the ground what's going to keep it on the ground we've seen boats cars with hurricanes throw them all over the place I don't think they're going to come out and secure that steel that's on the ground they've also told us that they can add on to this yay five different more companies can come in and just add on to it make it bigger and bigger to make it even more dangerous for us us now why should we the neighbor people here why should we be forced to look at this monstrosity that benefits other people um it needs to be put somewhere else it needs to be put somewhere where people need it the most and where it's at now it's not not the place it should be you know the Commissioners are for the people well we are the people and we need your help we need you to vote this down or move it somewhere where it makes more sense thank you thank you state your name and address and if you've been sworn Paul fanii 27251 Wesley Chapel Boulevard Suite 102 Wesley Chapel I have been swor okay I sent an email to All County Commissioners uh last week I'd like it to be received and filed re fil second all those in favor say I I I all oppos like say motion pass 4 Z I have brought one picture because one picture speaks a thousand words I'm a little confused myself because at the last hearing which I was here at um commissioner Mariana suggested the petitioner that they look elsewhere either on the same property or in different locations um I even in my email proposed alternate sites that are even closer to Wesley to saddle wood excuse me because saddle wood is who is benefiting from this not Quail Hollow they want to put a cell phone tower in Quil Hollow to benefit a totally different Community because it's convenient for them so why not put it next to Cypress uh Creek High School it would be close to Saddlewood and it would be an income maker for the school board why not put it next to that monstrosity of a warehouse that Still Remains vacant to this day on Old Pasco and Blair Road there are literally hundreds of opportunities for Verizon to put the towel closer to Saddlewood and get better reception for those citizens who wanted Verizon thought they could just Pat us on the head and make a monopole a monopine and we'd all be happy well I'm sorry we're not happy most of us have lived there over 30 years we moved there to get away from Urban spra to get away from the car washes and the Starbucks on every corner we moved there because we could look at a pristine Skyline and enjoy the wildlife in our area so we treasure our Open Spaces remember

that Open Spaces vibrant places Pasco County that's why we moved here and yet 30 years later the argument is oh nobody's going to notice it we've got a tree line and it will cover it 155 ft eyes saw a singled digit salute to the neighbors above the tree line that's what we'll be looking every day when we wake up in the morning so Skyway Towers will go back to their Corporate Offices Verizon will go back to New York where they are based the owners in St Louis of this property will gather the rent and we have to wake up every morning to that If This Were a courtroom I would not be able to violate the court the Golden Rule and state how would you feel but this is this is not a courtroom and you are not jurors you're Commissioners here to protect the rights of Pasco County Citizens and so how would you feel to wake up every morning to that for the rest of your life cuz I don't intend to sell it's not going to affect my value of property and my property is contiguous to that property so let's not change the model for Pasco County from Open Spaces to vibrant places to the famous words of Joanie Mitchell they PVE Paradise and put up a parking lot if you allow this you're on a slippery slope my friends your time's up sir thank you thank you anyone else um could we hear from the applicant again for a second I have a question yeah could you put up the service map please well the one that shows where your what the coverage is in that area didn't doesn't our consultant provide something yeah so this is the challenge that we have is that we first we can't go by anything medical legally and we hire a consultant that tells us where the need is and I think that we have a consultant telling us there's a need there otherwise you wouldn't be looking there so correct commissioner and and I you know I I think as this shows the blue dots are existing Towers where is located and so we're talking about you know as mentioned coverage in capacity and it's not just you know the coverage it's how this interrelated system works together and how the towers offload from each other which improve everyone's service so again I think as you were pointing out Verizon doesn't go to put antennas where they're not needed first you know they only go where their RF system says these are needed to improve their coverage and capacity then they look to see if there's an existing Tower structure in that area where they can go and if there's not that's when they go you know for a new tower and then you go um then they have you know site acquisition people who say Okay within this area let's find a willing you know properties at work a willing land owner and then find the the location so that's

how we you know end up uh with where we are um and again I think as your code very specifically says this is a complex issue that's why you hired the outside consultant uh to review what our what Verizon RF is saying and your outside expert has looked at it and said we agree that there's a need here at the height that is proposed um and if I can have a second just to address a couple of the other um issues that were raised don't want to I know some health issues were raised I know we've discussed that before that that's preempted by um the federal government um I do think someone raised uh property values and um you know the evidence we've provided is an actual property appraiser who's not basing this just on an internet article who but who actually prepared a study based on this site based on his experience with towers and has come to the conclusion that these will this Tower will not negatively impact their property values and uh I think that I mean again we we we take the neighbors concerns you know we don't take them lightly we did go back to the property owner to um ask about moving on the site uh but based on that response we're here with our site as proposed with the with the changes we proposed to try to um mitigate impacts you know as best as we can on our lease area so we would just ask for your support on this item thank you Mr white chair this for the a did there there was no conversation with the school board about putting Sil Tower Cypress Creek well where where is that relative to this just North not too far away I think when when they when they did the site look for this again based on the search area where it was needed they um they contacted 11 different uh property owners in the area there were some limitations gated communities they couldn't go into conservation areas they couldn't go to so they found 11 properties and received responses from two one of which was a school I don't know if it was the Cypress Creek High School it may have been but when and so those two sites were sent to Verizon and that was too close to other Towers where it would not uh RF chose this site because this would uh better address their um their needs and the uh coverage and capacity that whereas the other one was too close I think to other existing Verizon facilities where it would not provide uh the same coverage and capacity that was needed where's the tower where's the closest Tower in relation to the high school where that's a good question you I mean that showed I mean I could I have the map which show that's a formula that's work for a long time here I think what you're talking about is more to the east yeah so um Denise Hernandez planning and development so regarding the closest Tower near the school is actually located at 8442 Old Pasco Road

uh T-mobile is the anchor tenant but Verizon is on that tire Tower as well excuse me so is that D is that D on the map is that D it is a 260t tower um 8442 Old Pasco Road on wild cat Groves parcel I could give you the parcel ID number and you can put on and plop it up but I I'm I'm using GIS on my phone does our expert know is it D so it is southeast of the school I it this isn't no so it's probably D it's right off of [Music] I75 well what's the distance from the school to D and from the proposed site to D do we know I don't know I know the closest Tower to the proposed site is over 1 and a/4 miles away so that would be D but what's the distance between your yellow Dot and D Google Earth you can draw a line I guess guess my question is what's the distance between I historically support cell towers it's the way our world communicates it's the way it works it's a necessary unlikable thing in today's world so what's the how's it work is it by distance is it by how they bounce off each other how what's your formula and again it's it's it's like you have the surrounding ones and you try to go you know to be in the middle of those as best you can to again offload the other Towers so if you were on that Tower compared to the high school right there is you know the Verizon's already on that Tower so it would really provide no additional coverage um and would not address their needs if you built if you put a cell tower on high school correct three those but that was one of the recommended that's one of the consultant sites or those are just our only options those are the those are the um what they do is they do an analysis can you am I being picked up my voice I AG yeah we hear you I just need to be on so Denise Hernandez Planning and Development so an analysis is done um showing all the different towers that ver that exist that are existing and Verizon actually is collocated on or is an anchor tenant on so that Tower was used as a site that they that they were on and that you know the they need this particular Tower I mean I'm not an RF consultant but that's what the analysis says that this Tower is necessary and I think they also do an analysis of another monopine that's like 1 Point some odd miles from here Southwest on Edna poet's property um that that's probably one of the only monop Pines we have in Pasco County and I think they're on that as well yes Verizon is on that side as well yeah so again it's it's filling in the the system where you had the on the outside and and providing

this new site on the inside to help again fill in coverage but also provide the offloading of the other sites so my next question if if if that's there then as you go north uh op Pasco Road what would be your next Target site is there do we know because there's gaps as you go north of Po Pasco and you hit 52 um and if it's working off this ping Network I'm trying to understand big bigger picture of what we do to better I guess it's kind of sta question what we do to better coverage in general not just this one one particular spot no answer I I mean I I know just from Verizon's perspective it's they're constantly looking at it and it depends on where customers are where usage is you know so the so the RF needs are changing where um you know what what were you know what was appropriate you know way back when people only used their cell phones just for for calling you know it's different now as uh as we've moved forward with you know data capacity those issues and that's why there's there are additional Towers needed to fill in and and help stabilize that system and provide the coverage and capacity that are needed and again we we think it's it's helpful for Public Safety with all the 911 calls um you know it's also utilized Horizons utilized by a lot of you Emergency Management um entities and it's just we think it's it's good for um for the area to have good quality coverage and capacity appreciate like I said historically you know cell to cell phone towers are unfortunately necessary way we communicate I just like to be sure and confident that the cell tower companies have exhausted their opportunities or willing Property Owners to put to put these towers on there I just right no I I I appreciate that and they do because again the easiest thing for them is to go on an existing structure or Tower where there's no zoning hearing it's already been it's already up um it's only when they can't do that that's when they have to propose a new tower Mr chairman yes can I have the map that shows the before and after map that shows the coverage change the rain's gone bad weather's gone that's what said what was that the first B first well didn't you see let's put let's put side [Music] us I want to fold it I want to fold it so when we looked at the one over to um Plantation Palms and we saw the coverage area down low where was like thick out when they change this from the one Tower where the sports field was to go north we saw a significant change I don't see a significant change here especially direct where the core is I don't I don't know what the Consultants do or how they actually go about their business but if that's the limited amount of extra service we're going to get I don't think

it's worth putting it in I think they need to do a better job to what's going on there color shows more service green or the reden but I think again it's coverage and capacity in the offloading of the other tower sites so it's not just as simple as you know Asain coverage also again simple as it is supposed to be when you look at where that Tower is Right Above It it like there's no change around it you got a little bit of a circle left and right um and that's it so that's the best you've got for the coverage that's there there I think you need to go look somewhere else maybe it is further to the right that you get better service but for that for these people to go through that for that one minuscule Improvement I don't think it's worth it for I mean again I I I say it's not a minuscule Improvement again it's something that has been designed requested by Verizon RF and again reviewed by your outside expert and all the experts in the world still can to me show that that's the best you can do especially when we SE others do it across the across on 41 where they had two different Towers to be put in place they could show a bigger Gap that made a difference even when we looked at the school site over on 54 it showed differences where it can go I think you guys need to go back to the table look for a better site yeah I appreciate your comment if if you'll notice the U original lease property they didn't change to the larger piece of property they stayed on that LE small leas property so there's not much change from what you saw before and commissioner Oley we even have our own industrial property right on 75 maybe that would even have an effect I don't know did you reach out to us at 7 I75 our own property on I75 on I75 just on Old Pasco Road between I75 and old Pasad depends on where the search area is and we already have a tower there's already one there on 75 so we don't need one right over there I don't know if that's the same one cuz that's that's by the school it isn't I'm say we don't we didn't need one right there we needed one farther to the West cuz we're already on the tower that's right there off of 75 what is okay what is to the pleasure of the board no I'm move to deny it you know it does seem that maybe is there one on the elementary school elementary yeah it seems if that were just a little bit more to the West the East I I don't know about that site but I know there have been other when Elementary School sites have been looked at before I believe I was in a meeting with you Mission Mariana where uh there was not support for putting Towers on Elementary School sites okay got a lot of criticism from the parents a lot of health and safety concerns Mr chairman so a lot of health and safety concerns come out from the people when we did down in Trinity I

mean it's new information that has come out before I guess the feds have stopped testing for rats so we don't even have any current information but even one of the presidents here talked about being a beekeeper and how no be go on the cell towers for the same concerns about what what goes on with what's being transmitted so I mean there is health concerns which does affect property values the location of the coverage I mean there's just so many negatives to this site right I I wish they just go back out and look go look go take a look again I mean we we obviously want to see good self coverage but again these people aren't even suffering for sell coverage issues I haven't seen anything that would in compel me to say this makes sense yeah so my motion's still out there I don't I did you make a motion I made a motion to deny oh okay I didn't hear it so I'm sorry sorry did we get a second to that I see I see a difference in coverage and I'm all for coverage and I've been consistent in that message thing goes 2 two then it dies I don't I don't want to see an opportunity to improve cell signal you know pass by I really I really don't I and I always appreciate the residents and their concern but again it's it's the way of our our world is the way we communicate we used to communicate be a smoke signal 30 years from now it might not cell towers may go down and who knows how we'll how we'll communicate through satellite yeah I mean you know I don't necessarily I don't I don't like it but it's it's a it's a a need that we need to have a as a functioning society that communicates a thousand times a day every which way social media however so is there is there any other opportun have you guys exhausted every opportunity to find sites you guys for location here you guys comes down to him yes yes I mean we we scrubed the area send out notices to different properties that were were viable properties only received two responses and again this was the response that worked for Verizon R so we we have gone through that very laborious process to find the site that works for Verizon RF and again and I hate to keep belaboring the point but but that you're expert that you you know uh that you involve in this process because it is such a complex uh process uh they are engineering has has agreed with it and said we' meet the code requirements Tower in that location is needed at that height so again we would we understand the concerns but we' ask uh that you approve this application thank you and in the confirm the property owner at this current site they don't want to have it in any different location for one reason or another correct we did speak to them after the LA October hearing to make that request as uh commissioner Mariano had requested I will second Mr Mariano's U motion well I'm I'm on the same page as commissioner waitman um we have there's never any

great sight for C Tower really uh my house in aresa we back into the Wilderness preserve and when my my son comes down and now he's not even doing it anymore to work uh with my grandkids and he tries to work at my house I can't do it I I'm sure I have spoken to many of you where you say I can't understand the word you're saying and I have to go stand out on my driveway um so sometimes I have to get on my car and drive to the front of my street my front of my neighborhood cuz we don't have enough cell tower coverage and so um just last night watching the football game boom Frozen um on a great play so uh I I you may not you may not have great service you may have fine service now but as more and more things come on the internet the capacity just gets gobbled up and um you know there are times if I had to I have to have a landline I have to pay for a landline we can't go without it because of emergencies in case we have an emergency so um reach out to was looking at the neighborhood and and I I get that cell towers aren't pretty I worked on the first cell toow ordinance we've improved this one a little bit but you know we we put in certain rules to try and make sure that one they have to be needed um when we first started before we had the cell tower or you could put a pole you look in Port Richie there's a pole here a pole here and a pole here three poles within 100 yards of each other I mean we we tightened it up we got rid of the guide wires for the most part it's um and the latest when we tried to make them as as unobtrusive as possible but the fact of the matter is this is the world we live in and so um if that were in my view in my yard um I would be planting a tree in that I would be planting trees so that when I look that way if it was in if it was in view outside my my living room or whatever my pool and I see most of those are pretty large Lots I'll be planting a tree so I didn't see it um so that would okay so I I I am not going to vote against it I'm going to vote for it I'm on Cal question so with that if it's 2 two then it dies I really don't want to see the work that's been done here I guess I mean we move to continue and you guys if it's well if it's a 2 two you're going to have to move to continue it until you have a full board I would think I mean wait for commissioner because it because a 22 which is is voting on the denial doesn't Grant an approval Oh I thought you get to vote no I don't get to vote thank you very much it's it's Services is is warranty and I appreciate the residents in their concerns too if there's another way to go I don't know who our County expert is I don't think I've ever met met with them I don't know if anybody here has knows anybody or county has as as a resource that can help the carrier out some way somehow to just maybe like we did at uh starky Park we were patient and we found another spot and we we accomplished our goal to get signal and

in a carrier I I this is necessary we have so much coming in at o at overpass and um in Old Pasco we have the riding of the road I mean there's just a lot going on and it's not going to get any easier to make the decisions as people move here we're going to be forced to make these decisions and they're uncomfortable but they're necessary so uh I've called for questions so can I can I make a suggestion before we call the motion and just for for the others Maybe we need to do is just give them clear direction we don't want it here go work harder maybe they got to pay more money to somebody else to get more interest to to get what they need to get for a location but this is clearly not a big boost for a location let's give them a direction to go pick another location just tell them straight out like don't go move a driveway and put some fancy bushes up that could go flying everywhere in a storm let's go pick have them just tell them to go pick another location you're probably like cuz the fact of it is if you continue you going have the same conversation again you'll be you'll be talking about the same things down the road wherever you continue to and but if you deny this application you have to deny it based on your criteria for conditional use so that's so so that's not I don't want to see it here and I want to see it someplace else that's it's got to it you've you've got a you've got eight criteria for granting or denying a conditional use um we've already been through the health effects is not one of them that you can use um number two you have the three you you can make an argument that that because of the rural character of this area that it's not consistent with land use patterns um you've got evidence in the record that it doesn't affect property values and you've got citizen testimony that it does so if well the landown the where this thing is the landowner has a right to say where where they want if they want that where they want to potentially have it on their property seeing how this is shaken out maybe that's what you need go to that landowner and say hey if you want to do business with us we need it this spot because this board's at a I think we all understand we need it but this board's at an impath seemingly this for this location um maybe that's that's what you maybe that's you know advantageous to the property owner who wants the income from it to to make something work for them and work for for the resident see the applicant not coming forward let's call the vote okay so we have a motion in a second all those in favor of the motion say I I

I all all uh oos the motion same sign n n okay so we're at we're at a stand still at a 22 that's it first I would recommend recommend we move it down the road I I I mean yes I I would since we were at the standstill I mean if we can continue till there's a full commission because we're clearly at a standstill and that would also give us time you know to to again go back to the property owner as needed um you know to tell them about you know what's been going on I think you have some real emmo here with this board to say hey you want to do business with us when can we move it somewhere else on your on your place and they get a win and the residents get a win okay I hope it comes the boss okay so funny it's just I'm the boss of dates okay that's all so these are the options because February's not going to happen March 12th um April uh let's see 10th I say April 10th just okay so I need a motion does this have to go to the Planning Commission then to us again no no no just for us 1:30 or soon thereafter is can be can can I also ask a question if the if the landlord does not agree to move it can is there a possibility to close it for public comment so that we could just get a full board vote cuz not to have to go through this whole you had a public hearing and it's and it's been closed if the site moves I think you need to reopen public I was just wondering if the site moves you will but the residents still need to be like well if they move it from that side it won't affect these residents if they move it from the site they would they could Pro they could comment I would imagine but if it's in the same site they' all the comments have already been made it should just go for a vote I'm I mean I'm just thinking out loud just wondering so that way this is not like a 1 hour you've done that before well the board has done that before if there if there is no new evidence that is being presented and the public hearing has been closed they can take a vote assuming that commissioner Bradford reviews the previous hearing and is willing to vote at that point okay so who made the motion for the to continue I made the motion commission second okay all those in favor of uh moving it to what is what's the DAT April 10th dat City and that happens to be a Wednesday which is weird but just letting you know it's a Wednesday okay all right so um all those in favor of moving to April 10th 1:30 day I I thank you Mr wa you vote yeah okay okay all right so that's what it's done so that motion passed 40 so okay um it continues to get later so I guess the weather's going to get better before we get out

here huh oh okay so we still have uh r46 to cover yes you've got 46 and 141i oh and 141 so we'll take uh our for well what is uh we require a vote on 141 thought we we fin both regular item Cod amendments proposed Land Development code amendments that were bring brought to the board for discussion about whether to proceed with them so I'm looking for 141 I don't see it I think the it's the it was on the agenda be to the back of the book probably this is yours stole my agend it's the chain fence is 141 this the one you had asked to put on so we do that one first the 141 or this no just do that first you want to do 46 first I can go either way 41 41 okay 141 all right so 141 um you know we made the motion not to have chain link fences um I was a little afraid what might happen but I wanted to see how it was going to play out what happened was for instance old Old Dixie Highway they've got a series of fences that were there they had one homeless Camp guy put up a fence around it protected his property across the street a boat marine play put chaining fences to protect his property as well both have served well that's hideous the person with the radio station unique gifts came in and actually put it so it didn't even affect US1 19's view but it it's right next to all this other chainlink fence which all doesn't look bad and it's all protecting their property so I think by making the step that we did to go just avoid avoid to make it illegal for chain link fences and Gates visible from collecting materials has caused a a big problem for that area and maybe a few other areas we have in front of our own fire station we're putting up so I would like to see us repeal what we put back and just change it back to where it was before yeah well I'm not going to go I I don't agree with that those chain link fences you were talking about some of those were in before we made that oh yes on were there were there just a new guy coming in he's got chain link fects all around him and now he can't go put one in his property so how do you ever clean up if you leave the old ugly stuff allowed I mean at some point that fence the old fences will get changed and get better but you have to start somewhere um can you put my photos up it so there's there's some I just just drove around D City here um I did that at lunchtime so maybe we do those ones first um and then I have so here's dat city um right down the street I don't know if you can zoom in on that that's the arm huh so that's the Armory yeah that will um let me show you what they did on the front okay can you show the next picture that's on the side road which but that's that's what they did on the front and it makes a big difference picture if that were chain link and Bob wire what what

kind of community do you build when you wrap your businesses with chain link and Bob wire so I think there's there's more there um I'm I'm all for people wanting to have secure property um and we have said you can put chain link on the other parts it's just you can't put it across your front um here now that's what that looks like like I mean that's that is not attractive and if I were dat City I wouldn't be allowing that well let me ask a question and and here and here as well but but keep going there's you'll see where there where other what the difference is when you put the decorative metal fence let me ask this question one question uhhuh so the gentleman that put the fence up did he get a permit to put the fence up he went to to a fence company that told me didn't need a permit and they put the fence up so did we need a a permit or did we not need a permit you don't require we don't require fence permits we so I went back and listen yeah yeah so if you want if you want to play it you can pull up the YouTube from December 6 to 2022 and go to minute it goes from 35 to 40 something and this is why I was looking for Roy um before and I asked um Brad um CU we had this problem we knew this was going to happen like what's the procedure for commercial Fen You did raise this issue yes if we have no fence permit how are people going to know that so what Sally said was that she was going to start an education process as they work towards a procedure for the fences now I had my staff called a number of fence companies to see if anyone reached out to them because there's like seven or eight in the county were you informed of the change because you should reach out to the the stakeholders right CU they would know um I mean they they should know what our rules are and they were only to able to get rid of get a hold of one because of the storm every all the other ones went to answer machine so we're going to go get on that tomorrow um but I I'm curious does anyone know what the county did did to alert the companies that Hey cuz we did that to the sign to the sign manufacturers when we changed it did anyone let the sign the fence companies know that they can no longer put a chain link across the off the front so I'm unaware of any educational campaign that was that was put forward on it um we could certainly do that you know that that's what she said she was going to do on December 6 2022 and cuz we knew this was going to happen and it's unfortunate and I said we don't want this to happen because people pay money for these and then they get in trouble and so there has to be a procedure um I don't want the front of our roads lined with chain link and bfre but I get the security so our compromise and the sheriff is fine with these and as a matter of fact these are more secure than a chain link cuz I can tell you I've hopped over many of chain lense in my life um so I I'm I would not be okay with taking out the ability no I don't want businesses lining lining up with chain link of B wire in the

front the sad thing is with this business here they actually didn't do it in the front on 19 they did it on Old Dixie which butts up to well that's another Old Dixie is a main road two right but all along it you've got train Le F and they don't look bad and but they're safe too they they they're high enough with the homeless don't jump over them I I looked at their pictures and you know that's just I've got got the can you show the pictures I got not it's not the look we want she'll show you the pictures I took when I went there cuz I I heard about it let me go take a look at this and literally this fence everywhere so I don't know what the visibility you're going to well you can drive up 52 and 52 and and up in that area and it needs a it needs a clean up well what about the fire station I don't think we should be putting it in if we're putting it in you got we got to put the decorative metal fence in don't be junking the fire the fire station is being secured oh because it's it's under constru under construction looks a right are you talking about the fire station on Rowan 17 on 52 we're building a fire station with the yeah they put that up temporarily yeah that's Construction we would never put a chain link Bob wire fence around a fire station or library or anything so anyway so if you if you look at the the property that's there this that's a property Dollar General's on 19 on the bottom screen above that there's Anthony Marine they running rakers on both sides of the street they chain link everything around it uh to the south of property where actually in is right there and then to the north that was a homeless camp that as a lady said some person either died there or on her property and then right beside them so they're blending into their picture uh to what what's all around it it it is that a good thing or a bad thing they want to well again they want to protect the homeless people from going in there well no I get that but but um the other type of fence is allowed and and protects them just as well I just you know how are you going to open a door for one one person and not bring down all the the rest of what we're trying to do cuz I I have other pictures can you put my pictures up um I mean I'm I'm trying to clean up my area 19 and 54 and no that's the kogan grass it's in the list that Katie sent I think there's multiple on a page I don't know how to S it to you keep going down down down down down down there's the decorative fences um and here's there there you see the business they putting it in and up here and then and then you have the CH this this stuff up here in the upper right I mean and the the Bob wire I just if you drive around other communities and remember we're a we're a county that really has to think like a

city a lot it's just not done and we just need to grow up a little bit and so I'm all for it on the sides and the back if it's not they're in a rare situation maybe where they're got two main roads surround yeah no I'm not well the surrounding isn't the issue because one day businesses change and they come in for changing and then and then they'll have to clean up like we're doing with a sign code um but we have to start somewhere but we needed to have we need to do our education piece and it doesn't take long to call eight companies and just send them a little handout that says hey can't our ordinance has changed here's a copy we can we can email it to you don't don't put any fences on these roads these type of roads and I don't think that was done did you know of anything Denise you were you asked her to do it too I I can tell you it was not it not so it was it was not done so glad Roy I mean we did our regular um uh interested parties meeting and we do state what's going to be changed in the code so that I would imagine fence companies are part of the interested parties and contractors round table and all that so I I don't know if anyone who is a fence contractor attended those but um no we didn't specifically do Outreach to fence companies I almost feel like we should get them to sign a paper that they've been notified like send it is that is that okay uh Jeff can you notify a company so that way well you can I mean you can send send a notification return receipt requested registered mail and I mean I'm not sure what you then you at least know that they've received it and we can but if they're in the business they're supposed to know what codes and ordinances there are if they're not required to get fence companies should know that they're not required to get permits but that doesn't exempt them from the Land Development no no I'm not what I want to do is protect the customer no and I say I don't know that you can you can force them to to sign a receipt but you can force them through the US Postal Service to sign that they received our mail and that's what it is so most fence companies do all types of fen and so if if cuz I had this with a sign an instance with a where a guy was remodeling a business and he went and got spent the money on new signs and the sign company I believe knew that we were changing our sign ordinance and I think now I'm not going to say who it was but I'm speculating that he thought he was going to get two signs out of it instead of one and um and so we actually man it so that he didn't have to but that sign company does a lot of work in the county and he knew we were CH that that it it had changed and and so um if uh a land if someone gets a fence pays for a fence and that company knew that I couldn't pay have that fence and

then now I have to get another fence I would make that company pay for you know not I would take some kind of recourse to say Hey you knew I wasn't supposed to have that kind of fence and so I shouldn't be paying for it or take that out of the right fence that the code requires and don't charge me twice that's that's why I want to make sure that if there's a way we can notify the sign companies I mean the fence companies you can always ask them to voluntarily sign something but that would require sending somebody from code act out to well there's only eight or eight or n that we found anyway from on fences fence companies yeah well they got them in all the other counties too and they come fences I mean well in the other counties they require a fence permit so if a Hernando they all have fence permits we're the one that doesn't have a fence permit I understand but you got a lot of fence companies that are neighboring counties right next to us what do you think of putting in a process which Sally said she was supposed to be researching of a of requiring a fence permit or putting something in there that says what can we do to so that a fence company has to go look up something to put in a fence for commercial I mean you would have Ian I would guess you would the only way to compel them would be to regulate it like what's your suggesting with a permit I mean I think that protects the the whole if you make it a permit it protects the guy that goes to one and he says oh I don't have to draw a permit it's okay I can put it in yeah well he knows anything different I mean and then we're going to come later and tell him he's thrown his money away and he's got to take down I think we need to put I have a problem with that so that's I I just I'm I'm thinking through the imaginations of of what that would mean to regulate that on on our part I um and do you know how many times like okay let me say that the I had a private conversation and they were able to fix it so I didn't pull it off the consent agenda but that Crockett Towing he put his fence in the wrong place so technically we should be making him move his fence he put it in the wrong place interesting with this property with this project the offense company actually put it on anet's property when I was reading the agenda part I saw they were like citing anetti as well I go what what did you do he goes I didn't do anything says they put the fence 7 in or 10 in on my property but no he didn't leave any room very little room for landscaping that fence supposed to be buffered well even still I'm just saying they with no permit needed they just went out and installed it so I really think we need to do a little bit get like our neighbors and all right so let's let's bring this back up for a discussion about what we're going to do because clearly what we're doing is not working we need to do something different because I feel bad for these people however keep happening it's it's G to so yeah so that's something that yeah we can we can bring

back um you know some kind of draft permitting process or something of what that what that might look like I mean it could be over the counter kind of you know kind of quick thing that would you know provide at least the top cover and educate the owner and or the contractor as to what is and isn't isn't allowable I mean there may be other discussions on whether or not the the type of fence that you guys want to see if that's still we went through that we said and the attorney lays it out beautifully I'm sorry I stepped out for a moment so I so so the attorney just go back and listen to December 6 2022 and that's our second conversation uh on it um and it passed fibo uh but he lays out how you describe and and the Planning Commission had an issue with not allowing aluminum um they said why say the metal make it um you I can't remember the way you described the the B uh welded wire welded wire and there's a couple terms that he called out but he said is prohibited from the uh on these roads now yesterday in a meeting with staff I think it was yesterday might have been the day before I found that apparently we put fences in like six different places in our code and in one place some of our staff is interpreting it that well okay if you put a hedge in front of the fence it's not visible no that isn't what we didn't say we didn't say visible we said not allowed on to on a frontage because we know what happens to our edges in the county and the minute it becomes visible I'm going to call code enforcement on and then they're going to have to put another kind of fence in because you cannot keep a hedge no one keeps a hedge here uh permanent so we I think the only true thing you can do is is make it where you regulate it to where they have to have a permit yeah agree and then you don't have a guy falling in this trap that he said well you don't need permit so it's okay well nobody's going to tell him any different until the fence is up and then code rides by and says you can't do it so okay all right so let's it doesn't have to be exp let's bring that they'll bring it back and and I think a stakeholder meeting is good so bring all the stakeholders in with Staff first and let them discuss it that work yep we'll do that okay all right let's move to uh r46 r46 should be a lot simpler this is you guys have all been briefed can I go back to 141 because you know we're we're going to come back with the process and there's some there's some things that that the board would like I mean I I we're we're about to incur fines on the particular issue that was brought up here I I didn't know if there was any direction from the board on on you know what you want me to have code do with what we currently have out there or if that's even a good idea or what we do we have just the one we have just the one one right uh that we know about I guess I mean maybe one or two that that may be out there I mean I mean you could

just I wouldn't I wouldn't find them until we and then we put this on perment regulate it but it's hard to find them when you they don't know I mean they really don't know yeah I agree with chairman here the problem is that you've already issued a citation you've issued a citation correct so I can't in good conscience it's a valid citation issued under the current land development code the will of the board is that it's it's a violation it's still a violation correct so do we charge him a fine for that and and then stop well the fines the the well do you want it brought into to compliance or not correct this is really stinky well we're we're enforcing the current code is but this is what prompted this and so I just I wanted to bring it up just to have some clarity if you find them and you they also spoke take it out yes the guys out however much money it is and it's probably not cheap what he got well except as the commissioner has already said if I got a citation and I got a $500 fine I'd be going back to my fence company going what are you doing to me yeahh but there's examples I have realiz there's an active code case right now it's an exist fence a company bought a company and the company sold same company name it's a 6ft chain link fence bar wire it's been a light industrial business on a major highway in our County Code Enforcement it's giving them a a run and they're saying no you need to swap out your fence put up vinyl I mean it's 10 acres of V they're looking at 6 fig no no just across the front they're the they bought a pre-existing business is this on 41 they just and they're trying to worry about making payroll get their business up run in capital and we're over here as a county I look at as almost borderline harassment I mean that's not the best most B business friendly their experience with Pasco County so far and the code enforcement has not been Pleasant did they say they had to do the whole property or no it's just the front they have we have all the documentation working with them that's why I talked stepped outside talked to the administrator about what we do here this is an existing business an existing property that the fence has done with the property well it depends on when the fence came in well if it's if it's an existing property that and the fence predates our ordinance it's non-conforming code doesn't have unless it unless it doesn't meet the old regulations correct and I don't know the details of it we can certainly Di the fines the fines bother me code shouldn't be F in the collection agency code should be helping people getting to a compliance and not putting a owner burd some additional expense on our businesses in this County I think Co code needs to be here to help get into compliance and not be punitive monetarily unless it's absolutely egregious that's just my general opinion on it and this is fencing this isn't

like have they been fine they're yeah they're their's currently going on you're saying but you're but but I'm very curious if they're telling him he has to put something other than chain link which is it vinyl there's other things which is all well that could be the vinyl is required they're allowed to put sometimes they require vinyl if it's a buffer and there isn't room to put the landscape buffer between issues so we may be talking about two different you know what I'm talking about the vinl doesn't protect the business and it won't protect people trying to get into the business the vinal is a hazard for this particular business in my op well but the I'm just saying that may not be related to the what we're talking about it could be that they didn't put in the if it's IND you're saying it's industrial if it's got some other uh zoning next to it where it requires a buffer sometimes they can do an all standard br I'm talking to your talking your speak here and all standard and put in a vinyl fence and then they're allowed to be legal right am I saying that right because our our code just says across the front can't be chain link and B Wire yeah we have certain Brad Tipp and Planning Development we have certain uh uh buffer types that require a six foot opaque screening uh and that can be achieved through BMS uh fences that are opaque like a vinyl fence uh or a a masery wall uh or hedge or any combination of those things that basically screen it what about a chain link with a covering over it yeah the mesh so that was historically allowed until the recent change that only acoss the front on the front correct so uh there are different combinations of things they can do in in those areas on the sides where they're budding other districts that that there may be a buffering issue um across the front some Landscaping uh requirement for landscape buffer and and the chain link fence ordinance piece that's causing the issue in the front that's our general rule I don't know how that applies to a specific site that's so yall going to bring this back to us yes we will and that what we're what we intend to bring back is just kind of a a permitting process that the board would agree upon for us to implement so what I hear is basically we we maintain course and speed the the ordinance is still the ordinance the the permitting process will in and of itself handle education allow allowable things so we will we will continue to press with with our enforcement and compliance issues that that we have out there um well if if I could make a recommendation about that at this point where there's only look like two cases going on right now I think code's got plenty of other things to do to focus on so maybe just like shift gears on that I mean how do you how do you I mean you're trying to resolve it citations are citations but I me you're essentially telling me to suspend one of suspend enforcement of an orance plent of things to do I got got let us uh see

if we can work things out with these two if it's across the front I'm pretty sure we've communicated that but in a particular instance for Mr waitman I I'll have to I'll have to investigate that one I'm pretty confident the other one has been but yeah something weird on that one yeah okay and the other one's going to go back to the vendor to say you shouldn't have put it in VI's code so and can we in the meantime while you're working on that can someone e um get a copy of our language uh in layman's term and get it to those fence companies so we could try and I'm sure we could put a letter out pretty quickly yeah there's like I think they said there's like eight yeah okay okay r46 r46 this one should be a lot less well it should be still another thing to do besides this so yeah what our 46 okay thank you Mr chairman my contact Planning and Development Department okay so on October 10 2023 um an item was brought up during commissioner items fromion Mariano um talking about amending section 115.5 dog3 them of the Land Development code which considers self storage in warehousing and specifically the prohibition of covered and open storage within 300 ft of Transit corridors and in the memo uh before you for r46 um proposed feasible language is set forth below um in the particular circumstance that the commissioner was referring to there was a business uh M Plumbing over about Shady Hills in Sun Coast Highway where they had a tract of land that was essentially within the 300 ft of the Sun Coast Parkway and so um language was uh worked where the Land Development C could be updated to be very specific specific that segment of the transit quor that is north of State 52 so uh Sun Parkway north of 52 uh with and within the urban service area to allow for RV built storage via special exception within 300 ft of the transit Corridor the sun close Parkway if that parcel or portion of the parcel is Zone C3 or i1 or I2 um and so that's kind of the language that's um identified in the mid so um May I start off again yes um it don't take long I know sorry but I work I'm sure that won't be answer I worked very hard to get the Sun Coast Highway me and a bunch of people in the state designated as a senate Corridor um part of the restrictions on that is that there has to be a landscape you know it has to be scening um there's no Billboards allowed on it and there's um part part of that the way part of the way we got the designation was because of the trail um but um everyone that I've worked with in my district that's come in there we've you know had them make sure they had a nice buffer now I only had residential but I worked with Dr Horton to add more buffer um but I would be okay with this as long as there was a complete tree buffer from the highway I don't want to be driving down a Scenic Road and see a

bunch of junk uh you know stuff stored in a parking lot but so they've got to keep they don't have to keep 300 ft but you can get Cypress or you can have a tree buffer that's pretty thick don't they have one there if I looked at that site they it's hard to see anything there the way the site sits the way it sits down low they're up above buts so it's it's really it's a one-off piece really I don't there's not like a continual thing we got to worry about it's like a one piece that the guy's trying to do something with his property it's right next to where his business is yeah but but can keep the trees between just got extra land can he keep a buffer of trees between there and the sun I think there already is there is yeah yeah I mean he's not going to take those out right so I'm okay part of the uh part of the answer I think is that it's a special exception which means that you can condition any approval or the Planning Commission would condition any approval um that may be issued as it's currently written of course uh we could potentially add uh performance standards to the code that would ensure that the Senor Corridor is protected yeah okay thank you a good direction we vote on I guess so we have to vote on that we vote on that it's an R oh R okay direct Planning and Development to initiate a Land Development code amendment to section 11:05.5 as outlined in the background summary so moved second okay that's good all in favor say I I I I motion pass 40 you got Direction Now quickly Ralph Lair I want you up front yeah I need to talk I that your last but since you did wait and didn't run out of here give us give us a little upbeat about the weather in Tallahassee I guess well it it's passed through was a a really bad day up in the Panhandle uh Ralph L intergovernmental Affairs officer I just wanted to briefly you know session just started today they uh I'm watching committee meetings back in the back there uh we have the uh live local bill that went up today David Goldstein has gone before the committee he did speak with the president's office with our concerns and issues we still haven't gotten on the same page yet so they're uh the Bill's moving forward without uh the addressing the issues of our concern we still have two outstanding concerns we we like the uh the glitch bill they uh presented it removes industrial and there's a few other items we're trying to put in mixed use on our commercial property which they're you know if we can give get some language that they are comfortable with uh we can move forward with that um so hopefully we can do that before a snack stop or before it hits the floor um they don't want to address um this year anything dealing with uh the tax exemption not what about 120% surise that's market rate yeah and and and and they have a hard time discussing you we had that they had the discussion this afternoon uh to have

that followup and he used an example where based on the on the calculation in the Ami um this development is going to charge 2,00 which is actually $65 just less of what their market price is and there and their argument back was well the property appraiser you know could deny them and it's like no you tell me how that's how they can deny them so so that's why I said they're they're they're they're they're batting it back and forth but we've got David up there and he's working really hard on this so uh hopefully he'll come back and and uh maybe we can figure out a way that they'll uh they might at least address the uh the commercial they won address the commercial only Industrials only industrial is removed right now they are not uh going to remove the commercial or or at least allow us but in mixed use we can we add in there is there a way to add in there you may know this but we have two apartments existing apartments in Trinity y'all may or may not know this they're built these existing apartments are applying and they submitted to the county to become live local projects yeah this is not okay so here's what we're going to lose in avalum where which ones are they uh it is they they are The Gallery at Trinity and tapestry Cypress Creek so they've applied to become live local projects so they essentially pay they want a 76800 ,000 a year tax exemption while charging over $22,000 a month for rent for a two bedroom the companies from California and we're going to lose what we going to lose carbal what's the count po $800,000 a year and add Vora from each one that would be I I imagine that's between both the school board and and the general fund so we lose that our our businesses and land owners and taxpayers going to have to foot the bill for those shortcomings and the only only people getting a break are these out of state companies it does not benefit our resident it doesn't benit we stay the course on our LW and the only way to do it is we prepare course Su them to hit them yeah we stay it's egregious and I think that's the the the plan is we still have to move forward with what you all decided um previously that's and I two moved up to number one in the front of the line in active multif family units built residents in them are trying to why did they to change course and apply to so as we move forward and we wait and and hopefully you know like I said it probably is not going to happen this year um not uh take note that that cities and uh counties around the state are looking at what we're doing and have reached out uh whether it be the letters uh which I gave you a copy of our letter letter that went today the uh Tri County letter finally went out um so that that's headed up to tahashi uh and should have been hand delivered as well today after

session started so you're seeing the cities and counties looking to us and you know why we've taken the lead and uh and and and probably we'll follow suit well with this new knowledge you know the administrator had told me this I didn't know we had anyone going through it they're going to do that in other counties too yeah correct they're going to start the only we're feeling yeah I actually I'm I'm told by Mr Goldstein that that example actually caught the attention of of the Senate President so was a little surprised by by that so I I think there's maybe an unintended consequence move there but you know that's just conjecture at this point I you know I did alert uh Hillsboro and panis County of of of the reading schedule for the glitch Bill and so hopefully they'll they'll join us in you know in those discussions but very happy that attorney Goldstein was able to go up and speak on behalf of the county today at least it gives good discussion they were having good discussion this uh day and I think they they they realized and didn't see that um you know changes need to be made the reason why I think they moveed forward so quickly and and actually after being told by fac and and and different groups they want to touch it this year the military bases in the airports were what really they had they said we have to go in and and and fix that the president realized that and then she agreed then to do the uh the industrial as well once she was you know brought out to explained her why it was not necessary to have that in there but that being said there's other things it's going to be another busy year um just the deadline for bills to be filed was at the end of last week uh Thursday and Friday alone we had 300 bills at it so now I've been going through and seeing how many of those impact us uh I think today alone 20 that are going to impact the uh local government in County so it's just going to be another busy session uh that we have uh we have our priorities that finally got printed up do we have them I gave you one copy I I know you're going up what I that's the other thing I wanted to talk about yeah uh commissioner starky commissioner Mariano your plan is Wednesday you will be going up for fac is that correct leaving right after the um Workshop next week um I can I think know if you were attending that uh Wednesday or not we are all going up on the 24th the following Wednesday um so are you going are you going up NE for fact um I will if we're going to go push this yeah I mean so that's what I want to talk to him about and what what so what my plan is is I have some issues that I'm going to present to you I I'll I'll come and talk to you I'll give you extras uh copies of these I'll be over tomorrow um and then we have another issue that we would like you to talk with of our our delegation about and that is the uh tourism development taxes there have been multiple bills filed that water to try to go in there and raid the funds yeah bad idea we need to educate our delegation I think I want really want you to focus on that when you go up on

on Wednesday will David be going back up with us he will be going up but not uh not next week he'll be going up probably he might be going up next week if the committee uh second committee hears uh the live local bill CU I would like us to update fact at our you know the morning meetings that we the the kickoff and yeah fact's one thing I you know I didn't I wasn't planning on setting up meetings on there I don't know if he's really if he's busy where he could do that and I don't know if faac will give you the opportunity to speak it was like pulling te to let him let us speak the last meeting uh to talk about live local that we didn't want to talk about it so let me talk let me let me uh check on that see if that's possible let's give a call in um and uh do we want to go to d j i mean we need to talk about these things sorry for a second I I mean are there other agencies that we want to stop in at well you know at the previous meeting we allowed $2 million for Newport Richard do subur I'm looking at what they've asked for there's no subur on their list right FG fgaa has one yeah that was the one FG put in last year we got to push that I mean they should be they should be asking for that I want to kind of bring it back I will help Lobby for the yeah I think I have an email related to that that I received over the week they they they did refile it so so since you brought it up these have are all the Appropriations requests that have been infiled that impact our County that includes City nonprofits uh different groups um and then ours as well um so some of them don't have uh both House and Senate sponsors sheriff wants another Center he's got first then we've got the um the one with the missing exploited children and now we want a emotional health center we're aware of that one we've discussed that one just you know just want to make sure as we build out those buildings that we're and I've talked to them about this making sure we're building a campus that is well built and well laid out mhm um so back to so so again the plan where does the money come to put these to F to staff this because this would that would be the Sheriff's Office be the sheriff's office right I well we're going to be talking to him there you go so I'll bring this in for Lany by just saying so the other uh item that I I did put out and I gave you the wrong one but I did send it to you electronically um there's another group going up like they did last year the greater uh Pasco Chamber of Commerce uh they're going up February 13 2024 again I gave you they had sent me the last year's invitation and I gave you the wrong one uh but I did send the electronic so that's a third date that we could go up and take a bite to the Apple that would be a one-day trip we can discuss that down the line I'll get with you all individually on that and see if you want to go I'll be at at ni and that is the same time as n that is

correct um what when when we talked about all this La last year and said we were going to do it a little differently mhm I thought we were going to work with our Chambers and and and and get a unified front for how important these were and I don't think we ever did that um as far as that's how Citrus County does it and if you look at what citrus brings home remember we talked with Sean about that that that the whole community supports the effort and it's not just us like the school district should be pushing this as well these sidewalk projects and I mean we just I think it helps us if we have broad County Community Support on what we're asking for and that's what I was told was a way to be successful so we we had done joint work with the school board going up at the same time yeah I don't know if they're going are they going up the same time no they have a different day they go up for Schoolboard day when they go up they used to go up with us so so if you remember we are we normally go up on fac day yeah we agreed at the TR County Workshop to do it differently and go up with pinelis and Hillsboro and go up uh on Tampa Bay day which is on the 24th so and we are going to be partaking in a reception that evening so will'll be doing our all meetings you know that day um in the afternoon when we get up there and then um the next morning on the 25th so that's why we decided to go with the 24th we don't have to the plan is is that what was discussed at the workshop is that they hope that this can grow and we will then participate next year during the day we can bring up our chamber our tourism development uh we can take up come up high that stuff and and be a part of what already exists and has been going on for Hillsboro County uh but include Pasco and pelish if that's what you so choose to do but this was just the first attempt to try to hold hands as three different counties from area but I think they're also coming up some of the them are also coming up for facts come up twice like the sheriff has you said the sheriff has a project on there he does you'll see it all of them are listed to not County Administrator with that 768 th000 in most Revenue a year it's approximately 14 sheriff's deputies So when you say who's going to staff the project be nice to have the sheriff weigh in with us all the sheriffs live local and say hey look this is this is truly has an impact across the board so just simple invitation good discussion wow we have a lot of developers asking for things and that money would come to Pasco is that a new thing does every County have developers asking for project they've always been asking no and some have received so some of those items that are not listed as Pasco County would directly come to the county uh at the end of the day those two developer projects are where is the Pasco pedestrian overpass Bridge what is that that's property over at uh near the that would be AOSS over Ridge Road and how did that jump the list that we have

in the no these these are private asks these are private ask this is on the develop the developer property good discussion okay anything else I think I'll beginning with you as you uh for for next week to prepare you all for fact okay so I'll talk to you the rest of the week all right I'm leaving so does anybody have a lot of things they want to talk about on Old business I had a list I one request one simple a list yeah but you already went through a bunch of I already went through some oh I got yeah I got a few things just well got two things I can tell you that about 20 minutes for out here I have two things and an announcement if you're through or not through we're going I go before you you go like this no you don't no yeah do no you go byri yeah I'll let you slight so okay go ahead historically so there's a uh oh commissioner Moore was here uh this group worked with commissioner Moore's uh office and Terry in the past so uh there's a concert for for the Cure uh for a cure it's a it's a concert benefiting benefiting Cancer Resource uh research at uh lades Heritage Park and uh they're asking that the county wave uh their fees that way they can profit more and historically how much are their fees uh do we know it's a couple hundred bucks $215 it's a couple hundred I mean it's they can't pay to it's wor it's more money for charity sir it's gone in the past and okay second second got a motion second all in favor say I I thank you board memb passed okay next you're done yes sir okay I gave her mine M Dy me okay you got to hurry y I'm going to go fast got some pictures um I'll start with uh the uh commissioner Oakley you were there we had the pleasure of uh putting out I think we did 600 cars that morning oh yeah um giving out the the food um that's pretty amazing how many cars go through there that is a well oiled well well done on Mike and thanks for Mike and everyone for putting that together um then my staff went to Metropol Ministries which is the next pictures which I think the county you had you been there earlier in the morning was it the same day or you went I think you were there on the same day is yes our our executive leadership team so the assistant County administrators and myself we had volunteered over there as personal shoppers parking it was fantastic experience yeah and I you know I've done it I did it at the old Metropol ministri site and now it's moved right now to Generations church and another very well oiled machine and U because we were going to have bad weather Sunday man that Saturday was or Friday Saturday what we did on Friday Saturday was going to be bad weather it was packed and um and I I don't even know how many people they um oh 30,000 families all right um want to show you a picture of our County flag and uh my staff came to to me with this and they said what do you think if

we had a contest to redesign our flag cuz look how fun those other ones are and look at ours so we um you know let us talk I don't know with whom and I don't know about those others but that one on the left is tradition addtionally uh Pasco County no that is ours and the other ones this is Orange County this is Okaloosa and this is Hernando Hernando changed those a few years back so I think it would be fun to have a little contest and Jazz up that flag fernandz I believe is their branding there would be like your your branding if we wanted to go that way with the branding yeah um so just wanted to did you like the idea we have existing branding already which is the the cranes and and the sun we can we can design it ourself I mean our seal always is the seal to the commissioner change the cran to pinking it's missing the star oh yeah um I mean do you like that or would you want to try and go to something a little more fun I've said for a long time but I we should change it traditional as it is I think every other County in Florida does something ties into the area and does something nice so I I think we should do it to dress yeah and you know it could include our brand and um it could not so maybe we have someone give us ideas on what direction the contest should go in or do you want to decide it here I mean our brand I mean ours is that yellow is that bird like theirs that's the only thing the Heron right no sandill cran cran San Hill cran um put it up to the people yeah yeah let the people tell you what they want and um we could you know have a monetary yeah let me let me talk to our communication staff and get back sir okay so there's that one um there's the metal fences move on from that I already talked to you about Coan grasses we already decided that um so we've got a pro problem with semis parking on p on our County right away and this is on Trinity Boulevard and actually our our code went out and gave him a warning and the the one left and then another one came in so um you know I'm working on a a procedure page with staff and the Sheriff's Office and all affected parties on what to do when a homeless person when someone calls in and reports a homeless person or homeless Camp because we we're all over the place on how we deal with these um it's really I mean who's who is supposed to be ticketing these people is it our code is it the sheriff's office is it the Highway Patrol um we also have it I don't know if I have picture any more pictures but they're they're doing it on a road behind the restaurants in starky ranch but it's a CDD so um it's on Long spur if you're ever in there there people have RVs that's that's where they keep them on on the road of long spur in starky ranch so um we want to know what is the procedure and who's responsible and I think we need to fig that out um lastly huh yes we already have that okay um I wanted to share with you that Marcy and the team submitted uh the amskills project for the 2024 Audrey Nelson Award with the

national Community Development Association so the cdbg all projects in the country that use cdbg money and we won that's so we're one of five projects in the country and so um I'll be cutting my vacation short sadly oh because it's when I'm on the ski slope heavly uh but I'll be cutting out two days and heading to Washington um with Tom madano and Marcy and her some of her staff um and we'll be presenting and uh Congressman Bill rockus is invited and we'll be receiving our award so I'm very grateful that they that's good put us in and that we won so that's it for me Mr Mariana I just want to say uh I had a great wedding with my daughter getting married December 28th we did it at Saddlebrook and I tell you they were phenomenal everything they did job and uh very very happy for her great happy New Year all right that's it that's it Mr I'll be very very brief I think I texted you individually on New Year's Day but I wanted to advise the board publicly that our community rating system our CRS rating was upgraded from a six to a five uh that equates to an additional 5% of savings over on on federal flood insurance for our citizens so uh hats off to our emergency management team our building construction uh Services team and our storm water teams for the and you know the host of the team for working together on that a lot of it was just documentation of process that we did not really have pulled together for some 2018 and commissioner Stark you know maybe some concerns over increased cost for building that is not the case from moving to a a six to a five or even a 5 to a four for that matter if you were to lower it to a three that that could involve C is certain acts killing pel but but nevertheless it's it's it's a good thing so I just wanted to you know let the board know that hey we're saving our citizens some money on their flood insurance so thanks um Maran County you want to cover that Oh I thought you were going to cover that but that's I was going to let you cover well thank you sir uh we uh uh through our through our facilities team uh relationships uh we had the uh members of the Marian County Commission as well as their administrative staff come and visit uh Pasco County last week uh they came specifically to they wanted to talk look at some of our fire stations we weren't able to do that because their Chief was unavailable but we did look at uh animal services as well as wellness centers and it was a great opportunity to exchange information and and learn about what the other teams are doing uh and then I think uh we talked about it going to Top Golf and sent them over to a pop stroke so they uh they enjoyed their time here in Pasco County it was great chair was there myself were there to to greet them as well as some of our ni yeah it was it was it was an excellent time and of course they extended an invitation to us to to come visit their County at any time if there are things that we want to see so yeah thank you okay Mr Stein Steiner I don't have anything for you today why I mean we like some of your

expertise or something okay so anything the boss did give me something so gave me a minute um that so a couple things um n82 is the IG 2024 annual audit plan it was emailed to the commission from Patrice Monaco M McBride on December 18th um so you have a copy in your email um just want to put it on the record in 87 our office is going to withdraw it it's minutes um but it has the wrong date on it so we'll resubmit it on a future one but all right right and then lastly um there's jury scam hits again another Pasco County resident was um called by a fake Pasco County Deputy being told that she was going to have to pay $1,800 or risk being handcuffed and taken to jail um because she didn't show up for jury duty um which uh so they ended up um she ended up venmoing the their money and they um so this individual paid that amount out of her venmo account and then the fake Deputy then told this lady to go to the clerk's office and ask for Nikki or Nicole and that's how we found out about it but um it we we've been trying to put something out there it keeps happening at least once a month it happens so they are out but that's all we have that's it well thank you um only a couple of things uh um one of them is uh Mr waitman I need you to serve on the U aging group with an Marie they meet one day a month same day as temp Bay water Jack and I can't serve Catherine has all she can handle it comes back to you and she said she was going to try to have they used to have two meeting but she's going to try to have four meetings in Pasco which would help you than going to better and you only have to uh make 10 meetings out of it it's well it's a total of 10 meetings yeah I'll do my best but Sunday morning well I need you to and I need you to at least make the minimum of that cuz cuz it has to be a commissioner it can't we can't assign it to someone else it has to be a commissioner I wouldn't be more than happy to do it but I'm on 10 Bay war and I can't do both and Jack's got the same issue so and G not able on some of that I'll do my best all right that's all I want just 10 Mees once a month okay uh and also I need a person for VAB board uh Mr McBride had uh retired from that board it only meets a couple of couple of three days a year I think it's all it's very short if you have someone that would like to serve and and that's a that's actually a very intered board as a school board member who Ellen Alman yeah and he lives here I think he's on it already so well he was he was as a school board member yeah he' be he be perfect for that he was as a Schoolboard member but he's not on the school board oh that's right I'll ask yeah but y'all think of any other names let me know so that that meets over here right yeah yes right here myself and Mr waitman are on that same so we need a c citizen appointee yes if you think of someone would be good for that then and it's not a big requirement you have to

read it information but it's uh it really goes very smooth and it's not a long meeting or anything of that nature so okay um see I think there was something you can't leave Drive in the Jed yet you can't go you can't ride in the dark if you if You' have listened to me earlier in the day you'd have been gone at 3:00 but well that's all I have um thank everyone I'm uh did you send out the list of our appointments what now yes I've sent them that's all been handled all been handled yep and um I wish everybody a Happy New Year and a new beginning for this this the commission for this year um I look forward to being a very very busy year we have a lot of good things going to happen and U with that we'll adjourn [Music] gosh depend on you to keep them healthy excess fertilizer grass clippings trash oils and pet waste wash into gutters and storm drains when it rains storm water carries these pollutants directly into our lakes and rivers creating an unhealthy environment for fish water foul and other Aquatic animals storm drains are meant for clean rainwater most most other discharges are illegal if you suspect an illicit discharge please contact Pasco County Department of Public Works at 72783 [Music] 43611 hi I'm Ansley with Pasco County pavement management people always ask why can't you pave roads faster well the process isn't as simple as it seems we use two methods which you can see here they're called and Paving and full depth Reclamation and soil cement what does that mean exactly let's break them [Music] down 90% of our Paving projects are done through milling and Paving which takes about 2 weeks depending on weather and the length of the road we start by grinding and removing 2 to 3 Ines off the road then we sweep the road to remove fines fines are small particles of asphalt or lime rock next we spray Tac which is a mixture of oil and water onto the road's surface to make sure that the asphalt bonds to the road surface then we apply a layer or two of asphalt ever notice steam rising from the asphalt that's because it's trucked to the work site at a whopping 325° or hotter next we drive a steamroller over the asphalt to make sure the surface is flat and smooth and that's it now let's look at the second Paving process Pasco uses which usually takes a bit longer our geotechnician team drills into the roadway at the job site and takes samples to a lab to help us determine what mix to use then we create a mix to use on the road from materials we Salvage from the pre-existing Road a machine grinds 10 in into the road base feeding all that material into a giant mix mixing machine where it mixes with other ingredients before being spread onto the road the surface has to be set for a few days and then our team returns

to the site to test the road's strength if it gets two thumbs up we grind 2 in off the base sweep the fines and add the tack and lay the asphalt so those are the two ways Pasco Works to make your commute a whole lot smoother Public Works inspectors are on every job site to make sure there are no bumps in the road so to speak we followed tough guidelines and high standards to keep our roads drivable for years to come to learn more about Pasco Count's Paving process please visit my pascot doet and thank you for [Music] watching a code enforcement officer calls for help and the GPS locator instantly tracks his location central permitting connects three offices countywide via video conferencing saving valuable time and resources how long will your waight be at Pasco Central Permitting in Newport Richie find out