12.05.23 Pasco Board of County Commissioners Meeting (Afternoon Session)

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you can do if you can find some can excuse me that I still have I get eat either the regular item okay i' like to call the um like to call back to order the board of County Commissioners for December 5th and we're here and ready to go uh there's a little change in the program we're going to do the issue with the fire first and then we will go to uh the City of Newport Richie and then we'll start regular public hearings after that so remember you've seen a lot of these items board you've seen a lot of them if you got new questions to ask and new things you want to bring up that's fine but don't carry it too far that we don't get through on time so we got a lot lot to do and we've seen these items several times okay all right Mr Murphy all right good afternoon uh believe it or not one year ago I was hired as your assistant County Administrator for Public Safety little do I know what stood in front of me uh with Mike's unwavering support we tackled significant morale issues a two-year Mass Exodus of fire Personnel recruiting challenges internal fiscal challenges and a leadership change today I stand unified with our lead negotiator our HR Director Barbara hitsman our assistant fire chief Ryan Gwyn and the ifff union President John Michael representing the County Administration the fire Administration and the union we're presenting a three-year contract reflective of our explosive growth Community there are many highlights in this contract the sub points in the first two years being salaries in line with the area Market the third year brings in the transformational move to a dshift the contract and the dshift will allow us to address many items including Rec recruiting and retention employee health and wellness positive management initiatives three-year cost certainty for the county and the employees this collaborative effort led to a favorable vote of over 80% of the union members on behalf of uh Chief Perez I would like to introduce assistant fire chief Ryan Gwyn to go over our presentation okay Mr chairman Commissioners thank you for your time quick so as you're well aware the explosive growth that we've had over the last few years actually within the last decade in Pasco County has increased our work stress uh environment that we have with our men and women in Pasco County fire rescue since 2020 if we continue Pace like we are as of this morning we're looking at close to a 30% increase in call volume just since the last three years that's really put a toll on our men and women because of some of the retention issues we're working fire service has kind of changed over the last you know decade or so we're we're working 24 hours non-stop not to mention we're working overtime more and more and more we're having difficulties keeping people in the seats and it's really elevated our our uh issues within fire rescue one of the major things that we're focusing on is the mental health

as you can see um our own rob chers during his uh doctorial studies did an internal study of just fire rescue employees and um the Corrections Institute out of all those employees that he studied 44.5% have either sought or considered treatment for depression 40% of either sought or considered treatment for anxiety 37.7 of sought or considered treatment for post stress for PTSD more than that almost a full percent of them have sought or considered treatment for for suicide so some of the contributing factors to that of course are the long work hours the sleep deprivation the mandatory overtime the high stress work environment as you know we don't need to go over to we don't need to readdress what kind of calls the men and women are running every day some of the most horrific things that we could see especially over a 30-year career um we've had some previous barriers to some of the mental health uh um treatments that we need and also um you know some of the other drivers we're currently working 27 4 hours so if you guys came to work every day just a 40 hour work 40 hour work week all week long our men and women currently are working about an extra three and a half months more than you guys are we're trying to bring that balance down a little more relative to where they to where they need to be that's where the dshift comes in so in FY 26 we're going to reduce that down to 2184 from 2704 which is a very significant reduction in work hours there's hoping that balance is going to allow us to level out the stress versus you know mental preparedness uh um re reset and then um that transitions of course from a 56 hour work week down to 42-hour work week so we've done a little bit of give and take with this contract of course um we're we're eliminating some of the uh excesses that cause some of the overtime some of the internal problems we went through reset and fix some of those issues you know over the last year we've spent significant amount of money as you can see on overtime itself we're hoping to eliminate that drastically and of course the other issue is is the employee retention we've been kind of the training ground for other departments around us we've spent millions and millions of dollars training educating equipping and mentoring employees just to turn around and watch them leave we've hired a lot of people over the last couple of years but we've almost lost just as many as we've hired so we're looking to reset that and that's what this contract's going to do and in all honesty the um this contract you know it's it's a it's a commitment from all of you all five of you have continuously committed to um support fire rescue and Public Safety it goes to show how much you care about the men and women of Pasco County fire rescue it also goes to show how much you care about the safety of your citizens in Pasco County and this contract and your vote you know goes a long way to show how much you do support everybody

within this organization so any questions I got one question okay Gary I'm sorry Mr chair go ahead how did you get a union president to agree to this so whatever magic you use I want some of it in my office just want to let it's it's been a long yearlong process and it's not just unfortunately not just all of us standing up here I mean Amy Lee and Mindy and her team in the back I and obviously obviously under the direction of uh Mike carala we've been fighting through this an8 80% approval rate that's 80% yes sir that's just unheard of and the magic is is the fight was to get this done you know fiscally responsible to where it was as least of an impact to the citizens as we could possibly make this but this contract is essentially going to make Pasco County fire rescue the premier fire department within the State of Florida it's that's great it is thank you Mr chair anybody else well I I would just say um thank thank you all of you for working together and our County Administrator and our new fire chief uh I was telling someone the other day I don't think I've ever really driven far in the county and not seen our uh Fire Rescue out on the road it's crazy ma' crazy um so um I'm looking forward to hiring more and and uh I'm just really grateful for all of you VI and that we've got this good contract going forward oh and on beh on behalf of fire chief Tony Perez who would love nothing more than to be here trust me but um he appreciates all the support you guys have given as well so I believe the local President John Michael would like to say something okay promise it'll be it'll be quick but thank you to Mr Murphy director hitsman Chief Gwen of course Chief Perez and his predecessor Chief cassen uh for their understanding and and collaboration uh this forward-looking approach will Propel our agency to the Forefront and make Pasco County Fire Rescue an employment destination in the years to come I'd like to recognize my negotiating team members for their tireless efforts over the last year I owe them all the credit for making sure that we navigated this process with the best interest of our members as a top priority there are my two vice presidents Kyle Patton and JJ Martinez local secretary Sabrina cobler and District Five station rep Paul Totton without them none of this would have been possible as we travel the state we're Fielding an overwhelming amount of interest in what we're doing here in Pasco County and we're super proud to share our accomplishments of course none of this would be possible without the support of the board and for that we're extremely grateful Again by your affirmative ratification you are putting your firefighters first and sending the very clear message that you take an effective and efficient Public Safety Enterprise seriously it was a long summer but I'm excited to stand before you today to take part in this presentation providing the highlights of a collective bargaining bargaining

agreement that propels Pasco County towards becoming Florida's Premier County and puts people first and once again thank you in advance for your support of the courageous men and women of Pasco County fire rescue Mr Marion thank you Mr chairman um I want to say to the team to our firefighters negotiating team Etc um thanks for working together uh we told you from the get-go as we heard your problems it took time to get to where we're at right now but as far as getting the fire stations built listening to what we can do for scheduling looking what we do to make it a better life for all your people helping them get themselves the the protection they want the the help they need uh this board has never wavered from any board I've served on um and with the extreme growth and Co kind of slowed us down a little bit from getting stuff done but I want to say the new leadership working with what's going what's going together made this happen because this has been similar things been talking about before how we can make this work better but you guys brought it to fruition you listened you made it happen and creatively uh bringing this all together is amazing so Mr Carbell I want to thank you again for bringing the right people together in the teams you okay can I just uh close with uh for years governments have asked Public Safety employees to do more with less by your actions today you'll be able to do more with more and that's the definition of a premier County we appreciate your supp thank you for that I'd like to say I thank you for working together with our team and your team we're all the same team when you get right down to it so we all work as a team throughout the county and we want the best for our uh firefighters and the EMS and everyone involved in the county no matter what their job is so I certainly appreciate what you are doing and coming together with this proposal and doing this is the right thing for being a prier county so yep okay with that um move to approve the contract second got a motion to Second all those in favor say I I I all oppos like sign there's 5 Z passes okay great job let's uh I believe we need to take a picture come back guys if y'all will stay up here and uh I'll go down below Mr G come up commission I sent you that's coming everybody going to yell at JJ for being too tall I like I got going on here between me and Seth so I think mine's worse than yours split split up the red split up the red you so much great job my pleasure exting how long will it take to implement EXC hey yeah good job enjoy the rest of the meeting now we're going to move to um I believe we're going to take uh r65 first is that right yes sir okay Sonia can I get r65 up please

perfect okay Mr chairman members of the board uh Mike carbal County administ rator um r65 is a is really a joint initiative to help the City of Newport rich and and County to to a certain extent to redevelop a blighted area uh we we refer to it as as the Town and Country area uh but it's more of a funding partnership and so item r65 is is codifies through an interlocal agreement a a funding initiative to to assist with this so the county uh is agreeing to put up $2 million of County General funds uh as a contribution towards Water and Sewer infrastructure in the area uh in the past you may have recalled that there were uh Habitat for Humanity uh lots that were going up for sale and part of the part of the issue with developing the area was there were no utilities there were also some storm water and and and other infrastructure issues so in return uh the city would not only um Annex the areas take and assume control of the roads but they would also contribute uh at least $1.5 million doar towards infrastructure improvements such as roads storm Waters trees street lights I think even some some Park facilities in there uh so during uh the fiscal year 23 budget discussions and and starting back to a joint City County Workshop uh the the uh County Commission put $2 million into the FY 23 budget as a contribution to to this effort and so what's before you today are are two interlocal agreements and the first which is r65 and I would like for you to to take that action first because if you U if that doesn't go forward then in which case I would ask to withdraw r64 because the city would probably not Annex without the contribution I'll let them speak to that of course um if I'm wrong on that so we brought that to the board on uh September 19th uh the board subsequently had a lot of discussion about it there were some questions on funding other funding sources uh I know there was some meetings that were requested with with the city and board members and so uh we were asked to bring it back to 125 and so uh that's what we're doing doing uh with that this is just a quick visual aid so you can see where the area is the areas highlighted in yellow are uh City of Newport Richie City Limits these are in the City of Newport Richie the area highlighted in red is the subject area and so it would include the roads the properties in there would be annexed into the City and the county would make a contribution of $2 million uh under the current situation to um to fund infrastructure improvements and uh namely water and sewer and with that um that's really all I have in terms of formal discussion on it I can bring I'd like to bring up the city manager Debbie mans who could probably tell you a little more detail uh Mr chair about what what they intend to do with the area all right good afternoon Mr chairman members of the commission I don't travel alone I brought with me uh the mayor the deputy mayor and councilman Peters to represent this agenda item um this afternoon in large part driven by the

fact that this is a very important project to the City of Newport Richie in spite of the fact that it is property that is located in the county um it is as was indicated by the County Administrator an enclave which represents 185 residential lots basically a four block area if you don't think you're spending money on the property now you are you have ordinance related issues which may or may not be being addressed um but you do generate on an average 850 calls per year between your police and your fire service for a four block area 185 Lots this is more than an ey source this is an area that has been allowed to deteriorate to a condition that it just defies human habitation the city is committed and we stand before you today as a committed community in our civil responsibility and when we started having discussions about this problem that was too 2018 it is now 2023 and the only thing we have is further deterioration at that time the city was committed to spending 1.5 million we no longer can achieve what we obligated to do for 1.5 million we know it will cost us more we know the sanitary sewer that you committed to f F will no longer cost $2 million just because of the escalation of costs that have ensued over the last few years we are willing and stand before you willing to make that additional investment because the water table is so high there there's no no possible means by which to establish appropriate housing in that area without the benefit of the establishment of appropriate infrastructure that's the first step and we believe it needs to be tended to um with that I'll allow the elected officials if they have words um to add them to my plea to you for your consideration to go forward with the partnership that I believe was negotiated in good faith and allow you to join me in our responsibility for um civic responsibility Cher Davis um I just want to add one thing that is it um only if you know or in the know do you know that this is not in the city because it's so surrounded by um the city is in itself everybody says why don't you take care of it why don't you take care of it and they've said that for years to me and I have to explain the situation um this is just one of the areas that we have but this is a real important area to straighten up also with all the Comm commercial in in that area so we're looking for your support like we said it'll probably cost us at least 2 million when it's all said and done maybe even more okay so um good afternoon it's Mike Peters um this this area the of the city is as you saw from the map is on toward the Western most P portion of our city

but it it does lie in a strategic area around um it's just just north of the Southgate Shopping Center which is one of our largest taxpayers and um the the that area has and just the nature of the area and the nature of folks that attracts you know that fil they filter in and out some of the commercial properties there that has caused the city to to pay closer attention on policing and other activities uh to to make our our uh residents and visitors there the shopping centers and other commercial areas uh safe and um it's it just you know as you know we have a large CRA area in the city it's it's the bulk of the city and um and we're trying to redevelop and improve various parts of the city but but this you you say well why would we take this one area on right when it's not in the city we just think it it is such a level that needs to be brought up that uh you know you tackle the worst first right and um we think that this is a great opportunity for you to partner with us um I know it's always it's always about the money right where you going to find the money well in in this case you know you have an opportunity to to get this property taken care off for half the cost and and with with without the um the expenditure and not have to follow through and watch it and get it done and monitor it and work it through it we're willing to take that on um as we think it's such such important so we appreciate your consideration greatly appreciate the the strong working relationship your your um administrator and your former administrator has with our city manager on this project and we we greatly appreciate uh your consideration if you'll allow me Mr chairman I have one additional comment I did take note of the fact that in your agenda the effective date of the agreement is noted as October 1st 2023 if you determine that it's appropriate to go forward with an agreement the effective date should be October 1st of 2024 okay thank you all right mat and finally thank you Commissioners um this is this is a a win-win for both the citizens of Newport Richie and Pasco County this is an area that's been Ved for a very long time as you know um and we really would like your help in uh putting this together and revitalizing the area as you know it does butt up to us192 which we talk a lot about revitalizing that area so this would be part of it also so like I said um we'd appreciate your consideration and we look forward to working with you okay Mr chairman Mr Mar got a few questions okay what percentage of the city is is uh on the CRA actually probably between 85 and 90% of the city is designated as blighted okay um and when you say a good faith agreement you had with the previous administrator um two things happened in negotiations with that when habitat first actually before even habitat was there we had like all sorts

of code violations Etc right so the couple of land owners that came to me actually met in Cracker Barrel and talked about you got to get code enforcement off our backs I says well there's nothing I can do about code enforcement you got to meet the code or or they're going to keep on coming after you I says you may want to reach out actually I reached out to Hab kobus alrin from habitat and I said kobus you might want to go talk to these folks maybe they want to sell maybe we can do some type of Redevelopment project he went cobus went in there bought 71 got the rights to buy 71 Parcels of which the County Commission stepped up because it's such a lowlevel area it floods out um you got to raise up the structures that we did build out there they had to um go try to try to work something out we couldn't do cdbg funding because it wouldn't work for affordable housing because of the elevation um I said from the get-go what we need to do in that whole property all the way from Cracker barell all the way up is we got to raise the struct raise the land up we actually had to bring we brought in I think eight truckloads of Phill from Timber Oaks to come in there just to build those four houses on the back over on voran by the way the agenda says a couple of different names it's van Doran on the road um so we did all that um took a look and there was one time we had a meeting we had um habitat was there uh Debbie mens was there former C council person was there um we had uh USA water that was there um us water was there and they us water had agreed to do the engineering for us no charge I did that in the Gul G Harbor meeting Woodlands meeting we had said he do the same thing I asked Debbie and the councilman if they would go to the board and see they would wave the impact fees because part of the $1.9 Million number was their impact fees to reimburse the sewer I say well why are we going to go spend $1.9 million and 300's going to go into your pocket for the for the for the facility now it kind of like broke down from there nothing much happened from there other than we cleaned it out probably one more time and a lot of those people that we cleaned out and I think the calls will we talk about that but the calls have gone way down a lot of those people down olner now and youve probably seen the emails about Green Key Etc uh from one of our uh very prominent people and they've moved down there and cities battling to try to to to get rid of them now so it kicks the can down the road a little bit but one of their Commissioners uh councilmen mentioned the meeting and it makes a lot of sense to me when we have a developer coming in right we have the developer build the infrastructure to us in infrastructure for us and they give it to our water system and sewer system they system that's sitting there has been sitting there for a while they could have extended for many many years right it's their service area they could have extended that pipe out they decided not to why you'd have to go to a previous

Council go figure it out but it's their service area we protect our Enterprise we don't when we don't spend money outside our Enterprise and the Enterprise got it reimbursed the way it's all bonded out why and this is asked by their councilman why would we expect the county to pay for our service area why would we do that we should do that we should put the charges in get collected reimbursed I'm adding this in now they should be collecting their fees they need to collect to go put the sewer in why are we doing it now the other thing is way back when when we had some elected officials from the State House matter of fact the Appropriations chair um they now we talked about Let's go ask for money let's go get septic to sewer and also right now resiliency money because if you you just go put the sewer lines in there you get these elevated homes you can have the homes like habitat right now they got the homes that out there on a one good flood one good rain The Yards have flooded out the kids can't even play in The Yards so do I really want to go do it this way and just go put the sewer lines in you still not going to solve the problem but again it's their service area they could have done it they should have done it why are we spending our money if you want to spend something to help the city out I say let's go and spend the money like we talked about Green Key the roads in in horrible shape it takes them out to the county park it'll improve that road they prove two boat ramps that you can't get to and you have issues parking up and down if you want to help the city out let's go that way because there's a county benefit this here is their service area in their Enterprise it doesn't make sense why we do it um so this is not my district um but it is my neighborhood since I live in Gul harbors and I shop at this Public's all the time and I see what this very very blighted area does to the community um the publ has and these stores have to hire security guards to keep the drug deals from going down in the parking lot um and um I recall I don't know are we in the hundreds of drug overdoses that have happened on these streets actually we have the manager from the south Shopping Center in attendance if you'd care for him to speak yeah I I I I would um so I think I think that we have an opportunity here to partner with the city to clean up the most blighted area in that area and it's a good deal and you know at first I I I was upset and I think Jack was to inhabitat you know they offered us back our lots and we didn't take it I would have t taken them so they sold them and um at but at the end of the day it doesn't really matter to me um who is building the the new homes in this community I will say one thing I would put a restriction no trailers it has to be homes that lift lift up the community but I would ask our staff how much would it is it how much does a new road cost per mile I mean I think if we came in here when we do our P our new

program and we pay for those roads to be fixed cuz there're some of the worst in the county those roads they if we go if we go by um a criteria of you know how bad the road is these are going to be right up there so how much is a road to redo a road because this is going to be full depth reclamation so so it's kind of a wash in a way we're giving $2 million to put in that's going to put in the infrastructure right the water and sewer and then they're going to pay for the roads to get fixed so this way it's $2 million either getting the roads fixed or $2 million getting the water utilities in and you start to clean up a neighborhood so Mr chairman you know be be careful and I I would love to hear from the south gate skate manager who also lives there I want to correct and I know I know Debbie lives there too in the in the area so just minute um so are y'all going to if we do this are y'all going to build that land up yes that is part of the plan as commissioner Mariano indicated I I I would also say that and talking to septic to se um well we're going to we're going to be put this is going to come off the septic right yes yes I think that's a good thing it because there's a this is polluting the water around it when it rains heavy so and the buy you there and and while you're looking at that map I hope one day we're going to be talking about pretty soon this waste this water treatment facility because that's got to get out of there too but um anyway Mr Mariana yeah yeah so to go back to years ago when I first got elected that place did Flood all the time the road from the Southgate Plaza going up was C and Cave all the water would sit in there when the water would finally build out it would flood there was a marine that used to come in all the time um and God bless him he passed away but he lived in one of the homes and he would get flooded all the time go in under his house under the trailer mold whatever I mean it was just a sad sad thing so when when I say healthwise it's not good we worked to do our road we paved the road all the way from the Southgate all the way up to Gul drive we cleaned out the ditch and by making the road pitched the road went into the ditch it went up we then work with the city city was great bring it all the way down to to voran uh it got stuck there and then we had to go work work the uh condos apartments across the way to get them to participate and then we finished it off tropical storm Debbie I think that's when uh little 54 and little went out was like the water went under that same storm I was down there that night cuz I used to have a Loop going all the way down that road was dry as a bone that neighbor was dry as a bone that water flows out so the water you can make it flow the flooding is not the big issue other than the land as you just mentioned I'm glad you mentioned yeah if you sit it down low and it needs to go up 5et it's a lot of fill

frankly if we could have set this up way ahead of time and kind of work something together there's a lot of fill of Timber Oaks that we could probably use that we did use that may be applicable to you know be a very low Sor other than the trucking to get it down there to raise it all up but if you don't raise it up you create a slum now wastewater treatment plan they wanted to they applied to increase the amount of sewage they could actually dump into the cross byou I've got many calls from the cross Bayou people that smell the sewage water going in there I've seen reports where the water goes in there and it's killed the fish from around there and the in the wild left that's in the water so to put more residential development on their sewer system which can't handle it now and you heard Kelly mothered came before us at our Workshop meeting that she she would like to help help on that if you really want to make this project go and be the best way to spend the public dollar go get resiliency money go get septic to sewer money it's out there you heard wion Simpson talk about we want to see him that money is out there why go spend the money our own money when we can go get the federal money or the state money let's do that first and improve it let's get the groundwork set and then we can go work on improving it but right now to go just build out this service here it doesn't make sense Mr Oakley with all due respect if you'd allow me to respond I'm willing to host a discussion about the wastewater treatment plant at any time I'm not certain perhaps that now is the best time um but I do know that we did not apply to expand the amount of discharge into the Bayou that is not factual information um I will though at any point talk about the wastewater treatment plant and our future plans for that facility the and but we do have appropriate capacity to handle the development and the Redevelopment of the Town and Country Villas area formerly referred to as the Leisure Lane voran area and even more residential development in that area we've had all of our calculations done by the engineers and we're certain of that fact so to represent something different than that is just not true Mr Whitman thank you chair maybe to make I guess it could be a condition in the agreement to commissioner Mariano's points about applying and commissioner starky brings this up quite often about applying for funds for whether it be septic to sewer uh restore act funds what have you is that we have a condition that the city maybe we can use our County's grant department and you know as a as Partnership if we approve the money today but then we need you know we see measurable um uh applications for grant funding if we capture that funding then that's just

money that you know we could bring back to the county and not spend the kind of offset dollar for dollar but we kick it off with a $2 million base and we know it's there and then try to capture uh Federal money or state money that might be out there it could be a good exercise for our newly formed grant writing department and working with the city um but some something needs to happen here to commissioner starky's points but if there's an ability to to capture money that our taxpayers have already spent we bring it here we don't have to spend our full two million I think think that's a that's a win just just a thought well there there would be at least a year uh of time to apply for the grant and um and so you know I personally think it's important for us when we negotiate we do a deal with the city any City that we we shouldn't back out of it uh uh there are so many positives to cleaning up this neighborhood and and I say again in my opinion um it's a bit of a wash because now they're going to be responsible to to build those fix those roads not us and um this is you heard the Community member come who lives around there um and I'd like to hear from the Public's manager or Southgate manager whichever that that I got I'm just wondering is this the worst neighborhood in your city is this the slum of your city it is the slum of we are subject um as a form of it's a negative dorant to our economic growth um but it's County property it just happens to be surrounded by city city right but as the one councilman was saying residents don't really realize that they don't realize that and our number one taxpayer in the city is the Southgate Shopping Center so is it okay if we hear from the business is it also um part of the part of the ask is is that land going to be built up it is yes so that's part of that $2 million do you want to mention what so we're going to put in the some of the infrastructure and you want to mention what you're going to be putting in certainly just to go of that again yeah as part of the city's commitment um to the project we would be establishing um that the sewer impact fees would be waved for the parcels that will be redeveloped we'd establish a sidewalk system we would install a roadway system street lights a neighborhood park and storm water improvements and does that include um houses built at a certain elevation yes it does and that would be yes and can we 13 is is it legal and uh do we have the ability to say no mobile homes we are passing an ordinance in the city where that would be precluded from being built okay it becomes their zoning Authority for that zoning classification Mr chairman yes so Debbie why haven't you guys applied for a septic to se Grant or resiliency Grant we have applied for a grant we were denied for the grant Grant we've only applied for one Grant um and right now you're the owner of the property and you'll continue to be the owner of the

property until October of 24 so we're hopeful that maybe we can work with you and you'll apply for some grants before the city takes over the property if that's the wishes of the group but is your service here would it be under your realm to to go after a grant for the septic to sewer um we probably could have went on it together well what do you say we do that now absolutely that's the best thing to do all right and so on this Exhibit C we have in front of us it says total cost of impact fees to be charged or to be or to be forgiven so we can say that the fees will be forgiven that's correct and to what elevation going to build the homes to is it going to be ground level they going to have to elevate it up it's going to they'll be elevated up because that's the law I mean it's in a I mean it's the female rule so and again you you've elevated up when the waters come in like as you see right along here that water that's right there is in the yards um it's it's so low that one good rain the kids don't have a place to go play you elevate the house up the house is safe they put in a park be 13 ft minim oh nice yeah okay it's not a question of elevating the house to be safe it's Elling the ground are we going if you have the ground if it's on the low ground they flat out Does it include the ground being raised also in this agreement how high yeah Jack most of Gulf Harbors is at six to eight feet so I mean that's a very desirable place to live the houses have to be uh any new house the bottom floor has to be about 13 but my my elevation is on my new lot is 8.5 and it's not precluding me from building a house on there so um my pool you know I've never had water in my pool I I've never had the Storm come up to my yard yet so you know that happens but exactly but it's it's very important they get they quickly get off of the septic in my opinion and we clean up that neighborhood can we hear from the the Southgate manager uh yes we can certainly you got things to work out there's no question my name is is Jim Hansen I'm the regional project manager for wbite development we are the managing partner at uh Southgate Shopping Center okay uh it was interesting and it won't take too much time I I hear a lot of conversation here that I would love to be in the middle of but uh no thank you um when I did due diligence on this property before we purchased it um it was very interesting and entertaining so to say on a negative side first let me tell you I'm an ex cop oh and I look at things a lot differently when I look at properties and this kind of bothered me a little bit because as you say uh you know you you see things going on and we saw it um and we can't control it we didn't know where it was coming from until after we bought it and we watched it we hired the police department we hired security we spent a lot of money we spent a lot of money every year for that purpose to

help reduce if we can um some of the people that come there I can certainly tell you that the police departments have have been great the cops are great over there everybody that responds is very good to work with but you can't always catch people and it wasn't too long ago um following up on what you said is that I'm out there flying a drone taking pictures for our partners and I'm watching a young lady on a motorbike driving from the Leisure area we'll call it into the parking lot over to the bank basket had something in it went back was empty it happened four or five times and I called security and they said yeah we've been watching her apparently after a short time afterwards and doesn't really need to get into it he got a hold of the police department they talked about and I believe the police department or the sheriff's department I don't know who did it and arrested some people but they're still here when the Publix has to increase this security uh uh TJ Maxx has Burlington code has it's difficult you know for them to say hey geez what are you guys doing about it well the police department can only do so much yeah there there's only so much anybody can do you have a start and a finish no matter what we do um we started here at the shopping center fortunately we worked with Debbie mans and her team to make sure we improve the center uh trying to follow the guidelines that they do their Improvement on 19 and uh you know we still see that exposure we hate to see it to the customers that are coming there that aren't happy with it and they mention it and they talk about it yeah as you probably heard I know that Debbie mans has heard so it is difficult I can tell you that and I hope that something can be resolved U because like I say you got to start if you don't start you'll never get to the end and it'll never change and uh flooding this we have other centers that are I work at that experiened flooding may be lucky this year might be lucky for the next 5 years but you may end up having water in your pool someday there's nothing you can do about it better my pool than my house there you go so I don't know what else I can add I know that everybody's trying and uh it's a tough area my property manager won't go down that street anymore um I'm not supposed to but I still well we do because listen we want to try to figure out what's going on because I have partners that not my partners I don't own it we have to answer to people we have to try to explain what's happening and I know that uh Debbie mans has talked with our Executive Vice President they've been helpful they try to work but him here to you know tell you what Debbie's saying or what you're saying and everybody knows a start and a finish till you start it you can't finish it the problem won't go away yeah and we have some new families that have moved in on those Habitat homes and they're on their way to uh self-sufficiency you know building

equity in their new home but then your neighbors you know they have the sofas out in front and they're passed out on drugs oh yeah uh or or their their trailers burning down because they had a lab in it or something so well just to give you this last one is that we had to call the police department not too long ago because there was a young lady that was holding on to a column with an ankle bracelet having withdrawals yeah true story so the very think I can make a motion I I would move to approve the deal chair excuse me I'm an next C too good for you thank you I know exactly what you're talking about but uh so let's get this done thank Youk you um so I want to make sure we um capture in the motion there's two there's two motions that have to occur right so let me ask the County Attorney um where is it appropriate to add the add I that we talked about you know one I want to be sure we don't put mobile homes mobile homes are excluded which they're going to put in their ordinance um but until until it gets to them it's on us I think we have a year to protect ourselves and the other is to work together towards applying for grants for septic to sewer so you have executed interlocal agreements uh um if you wish to modify the interlocal agreements and send them back to the city for Signature um I would say that we can craft language in the neighbor neighborhood improvements uh interlocal agreement um to to add language about to try and ad language that indicates that this $2 million would not supplant further grants it um um as for the As for the mobile home issue that would be more appropriate in the annexation agreement that that's the second one that's the second one okay so um what he said um so I I I moved to uh a approve R 64 with the r65 with the uh agreement that we will work on a we'll try for a grant for septic no for for 60 that's yes you're right for 60 65 it would be that the county and the and the city will cooperate to apply for uh a septic sewer Grant uh um in advance of the $2 million right payment okay so that's my first motion then I'll make a motion on the annexation okay we have four seconds more discussion someone second it yeah they want to Second it Gary seconded it okay um oh Gary second yeah so I got a motion second all those in favor more discussion discussion just one quick mention so I I talked about uh report that was done this is done by the City of Newport rief service water discharge study one-year summer report July 2020 that report I don't know what report you have now I do not okay I I don't think that's relevant to this oh it is from 1921 2021

I I I remember that there was treated there was a couple times when treated water good was um yes they were I think they were up okay so I I want want to get a copy of this year so when something comes back to us you'll see it um and I want staff to take a look at it David Allen are you familiar with the report let me let me say I'm sure I read the report in 21 there's a couple couple of things that have improved at that water treatment facility so uh one was when we uh so Gulf Harbors go you know we're we're 50% in that facility or 45% or something 49% 49% in that water treatment facility Gulf Harbors was having a lot of saltwater intrusion into our uh utility system and was really causing a big problem in that facility so um I was able to secure millions of from the legislature and they came in and they sleeved all the pipes I think we're done um sleeved all the pipes in Gul Harbors which has greatly improved the functioning ability of that water treatment facility and um and that part of the reason they had to let water out was all the salt water that was swamping them so um so that that has made improvements in that facility and given them more capacity I still think we need to move that off but that doesn't mean we need a moratorium of growth in the in the in that area in my opinion um which is kind of what you're saying don't add any more business to the facility which is ours as well I'm saying we should fix what we have I'm saying we should go for I mean I think if if you're going to make a motion about seate sewer you should do one for the wastewater treatment plan too we should be going after that those funds and I I think that is part I've I've had this discussion with the administrator and I think that is one of the big big I think they're already working on it talking about it is um another great project to work on together is moving that that off of the water and I I think that'll be a slam study now yeah so now it's the time to do it yeah all right I have a motion and a second all those in favor say I I I all opposed like said okay on R motion pass on r65 in the annex 64 of for I don't know how I have it backwards in the annex agreement I move that we um restrict restrict the ability to put moveed to approve the annex the interlocal agreement on annexation adding an additional paragraph which uh the city commits that it will take rezoning efforts to prohibit mobile homes in this area okay and changing the effective date to October change the effective date to October one at 24 what about elevations well they have to that's the FEMA code that's just raises the structure I'm talking about the ground I don't know I don't know what the law is on raising the fill in the land I think that's a swift is that a Swift Mud permit I that's not as important to me um as as uh to you like I said my my house is at my lot is at 85 in Gulf

Harbor's my new one my my current one's at 65 so above elevation what are these we have not done any topography yet on the site so I can't but you can't raise those lots up to 13 no they're probably about seven though but maybe six well I would think the Builder would want to do that I don't know I don't know how we pick a number today of what you have to raise your lot to yeah yeah they'll figure that out okay is that your motion yep I need a second second I got a motion in a second um all those in favor say I I I all oppose nay one nay so motion pass four to one okay that's it all right all right well let's hope this is the first of many deals we do together thank you we look forward to working with you y thank you now we move to uh public items okay so where was I missing and the first one is oh because I was in the p68 that's got do those when I'm all right minute Mr P um thank you Mr chairman nario pedos Planning Development Department uh item p68 is the an ordinance amend the Pas County comprehensive plan providing for a comprehensive hold on a minute quiet please okay T providing for a comprehensive plan Amendment to the Future land use M map 2-15 and sheet2 changing from Comm commercial to PD plan development approximately 48.9 Acres of real property located at the southwest corner of St Road 52 and west of landeres Boulevard and a map Amendment to the Future landage map 2-9 amending subar map 2937 Tibbits land and providing for a for additional text amendments as necessary for consisten providing for repal cability and effective date uh this comes to the board of County Commissioners with a recommendation for a continuance to a date uncertain okay need a motion for continu did it did you want me to give you proof on this one oh yes please it was um published in the Tampa Bay Times on October for 2023 okay and now motion to continue mve and I second what date it's un date uncertain so it's going have to be read advertised anyway all right all those in favor say I I all oppos like say motion pass 5 Z move on to p69 p69 was advertising Tampa Bay Times on October 4th 2023 item p69 is an ordinance by the p County Board of County Commissioners amending the P County Land Development code chapter 500 zoning standards section 525 neighborhood commercial District chapter 900 development standards section 907 on-site parking loading stacking and lighting standards section 97.1 on-site parking appendix a definitions and other sections as necessary for internal consistency providing for applicability repealer providing for severability inclusion to Land Development code an effective date and this is coming with a recommendation uh for a continuance to a date on certain as well okay move to continue

time uncertain got a motion second and a second when are we going to get this done all those in favor say I no I'm under discussion oh you're under discussion okay yeah I want this to get fixed when when are we going to get it done um my understand my understanding is that the staff is currently working on a number of issues that were identified at by the Planning Commission uh and so we're continuing to work on it it's not you know being given up or anything okay well it's it's will you come back around to me and I I I'm going I'll listen to that again but I want to know what what changes they're wanting to I'm being uh IND I've been told that may be February or March okay well every time we approve something we don't get the good the good uh improvements that this is going to do so all those in favor of continuance say I I a reluctant I okay all those uh vote in a none motion pass 40 p70 p70 advertised in Tampa Bay Times November 22nd 2023 item p70 is an ordinance amending the PES County comprehensive plan providing for a small scale comprehensive plan Amendment to the Future land use map map 2-15 and sheet3 from Ro retail office residential to Il industrial Light and approximately 10 acres of real property located on New York Avenue and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for repealer cability and an effective date this is coming with a recommendation to continue to the March 26 2024 border County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 p.m in newp Richie okay need a motion move to continue to March 26 2024 second okay a motion in a second all those in favor say I I I all OPP those like sign motion passed p71 p71 was advertised in the Tempa Bay Times October 25th 2023 good afternoon Mr chairman and members of the board my name is Jonathan toac and I serve as the industrial pre-treatment coordinator for Pasco County item 71 is an ordinance by the board of County Commission ERS of Pasco County Florida amending chapter 110 Article 4 County sewer system division 2 industrial PR pre-treatment standards adding dental amalgam and pharmaceutical hazardous waste requirements providing for applicability providing for repealer providing for severability providing for inclusion in the code providing an effective date just to give a little bit of background Pasco County serves as the regulatory Authority on behalf of the state and federal government for industrial discharge into our Wastewater system there's recent legislation that was promulgated at the uh Federal level that we are required to incorporate by reference into our local ordinance I would like to communicate that these rules are no different than how we have already been regulating um these industries this ordinance regulates the disposal of dental amalgam sorry about that and

pharmaceutical hazardous waste into the collection system the proposed ordinance amendments were first introduced to the board on October 24th 2023 by uh Dr Justin wrestler let's see here staff recommendation is to accept public comment adopt the proposed ordinance by ro roll call vote authorize the chairman to execute the ordinance Amendment and direct board records to retain the original and to file an electronic copy of the ordinance with the uh Florida Department of State within 10 days after the option of the ordinance okay is anyone here to speak to this item a public hearing anyone signed up for this no one signed up no one signed up okay pleas of the board approval second got a motion in second all those in favor say I roll roll call vote roll call vote District Two commissioner waitman hi District three commissioner starky hi District four commissioner Bradford District Five commissioner Mariano I district one chairman Oakley I motion pass 4 Z thank you move to uh p72 p72 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times November 19 2023 p72 is an ordinance of Pasco County Florida creating an additional homestead exemption of $5,000 for persons aged 65 or older whose household income does not exceed the specified income limitations as authorized by section 196.75 TOA Florida Statutes commencing in the 2025 tax year providing for definitions providing for submission requirements for such exemptions providing for waiver and applicability of such exemptions providing for annual adjustment of the income limitations associated with such exemptions directing the clerk to the bo of the board of County commissioners of Pasco County Florida to deliver a certified copy of this ordinance to the Pasco County property appraiser providing for separability providing for repeal of laws in Conflict providing for inclusion in the Pasco County code of ordinances and providing for an effective date uh on October 24th 2023 the board of County Commissioners authorized the County Attorney to proceed with the ordinance to implement the local option homestead exemption for seniors uh in section 6D article 7 of the Florida Constitution and section 196.75 TOA Florida statutes for an exemption to their property assessed value of $50,000 for persons 65 or older who own their home it is their permanent residence and their adjusted household income does not exceed 35,100 67 for the 2023 tax year um no funding is required County Administrator has estimated the fiscal impact of adopting the additional homestead exemption is approximately $3 million to the general fund side um at the introduction of the ordinance um and I and uh the recommended board action accept public comment adopt the proposed

ordinance by roll call vote authorize the chairman to execute the ordinance and direct board records to transmit the ordinance to the Department of State by electronic mail within 10 days after adoption of the ordinance and provide a certified copy of the ordinance to the Pasco County property bracer okay anyone signed up we do have someone online an Marie Winters okay Miss Winters are you there if so give your name name and address for the record and then you have three minutes there she is Miss Winters this is Anar yes can you hear me this is anarie winter with the Area Agency on Aging 9549 KRA Boulevard North St Pete Florida 33702 we hear you thank you chairman the Area Agency on Aging of Pasco penel is supports the adoption of p72 the ordinance that will provide an additional $50,000 to the current homestead exemption for those over 65 we commend the board of County Commissioners and the property appraiser and your teams for this bold and necessary recommendation which must be adopted as the coordinating planning and funding body for all government Home and Community Based Services the Area Agency on Aging knows too well the struggles that seniors are facing right now right here in Pasco County with the high cost of living according to the 2020 census the population of Pasco is now 561,000 are homeowners who are cost burdened which means they are paying more than 30% of their income in housing costs and have an income below 50% of the area median median income by passing this ordinance many thousands of seniors may be helped to pay less in property taxes and ensure that Pasco County continues to be a place where families want to move to and live here throughout their Golden Years the Triple AP is proud to partner with Pasco County to help seniors stay independent and safe in their homes and I wish you all very happy holidays and a very Merry Christmas thank you so much thank you anyone else there is no one else signed up okay is anyone in the audience wish to speak to this item move to approve p73 I got a motion in second2 72 I okay roll call vote District Two commissioner waitman District three commissioner starky hi District Four commissioner Bradford District Five commissioner Mariano hi District one chairman Oakley I motion pass 4 Z good deal all right we go to uh p73 p73 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times November 1st 2023 good afternoon Mr chair Commissioners Denise Hernandez Planning and Development on item p73 today we will be asking that you accept public comment uh you don't have to take action on this matter today it is set for adoption on 1 19 of 24 4 at 1:30 in Dade City um I will read the ordinance title and I will go through the sections uh that are being proposed for change it is

PDD 2489 an ordinance by the Pasco County Board of County Commissioners amending the Pasco County Land Development code chapter 100 General Provisions section 10812 enforcement chapter 300 procedures section 305 neighborhood meeting chapter 400 permit types and application section 43.7 Mass grading section 40 3.10 landscape plan section 4 47.2 variances section 47.5 alternative standards chapter 500 zoning section 522 mpud master plan unit development District section chapter 600 overlay and Special Districts section 604 Northeast rural protection overlay District chapter 800 natural and cultural resource protection section 805 Wetlands chapter 900 development standards section 91.2 Transportation Corridor management section 91.6 Street design and dedication section 904 fired protection section 9007 on-site parking loading stacking and lighting standards chapter 1,000 miscellaneous structure regulations Section one2 Wireless Communications facilities section 10003 Gates thss and walls chapter 1300 concurrency and impact fees section 1302 point2 Mobility fees section 132.5 School impact fees section 13024 Parks and Recreation impact fees section 132.5 library and impact Library impact fees section 132.5 fire combine and rescue service impact fees and other sections as necessary for internal consistency providing for applicability repealer providing for severability inclusion into Land Development code and an effective date so this is Land Development code Amendment 67 that means that there have been 66 amendments to Land Development code since it was restated in 2012 the proposed amendments were presented to the horizontal round table and interested party parties meeting on October 18th 2023 on November 16th 2023 the local planning agency found the items consistent with a comprehensive plan and recommended approval to the board of County Commissioners so we're going to start section by section so uh the first code section that's being modified is chapter 100 General provision section 108.2 enforcement it adds subsection G which is failing to comply with a recorded deed restriction that was utilized to secure County development approval or County Mobility fee exemption wave waiver or reduction sorry so basically that um you've been approving many rezonings and a lot of them have deed restrictions so it makes sense to add that as a um enforcement section in the enforcement section next section is chapter 300 procedure section 305 neighborhood meeting so basically this just basically clarifies that when the when the neighborhood meeting should be conducted and it's when the application is deemed complete for Content not a actually after it's deemed it's accepted for a review uh we did have a situation this year where someone held a neighborhood meeting after it was accepted for a review their application was quite different because they had a met content so um it's that's when it

should be when they should hold their neighborhood meeting meeting chapter 400 permit types and applications if you hang for a minute so here's here's one thing with the neighborhood meeting that I think we should discuss um they have a neighborhood meeting people can just be there from the applicant side listen listen listen and they met the requirement I'm wondering if we shouldn't have a staff person there to take notes or allow someone from there from the association that may be there or whatever it may be to be put a report into what they found because I'm getting conflicting things from what the applicant will tell us sometimes to what the people are saying and just having a meeting is not accomplish as much as it could if we really want to get feedback okay I've actually uh had some people tell me they had a a a meeting but them people didn't get noticed or they're too far away from the property so they didn't get noticed and they think they should have gotten those I hear that more than not but um yeah the somehow we need to make sure these meetings are meaningful for the projects yeah so what we do well those are two different things I don't know how we have a staff person at every neighborhood meeting yeah I'm I mean it would definitely represent a cost issue and then there's there's an availability depending on how how many these meetings go and and again their role there would be to take minutes or just observe that it would happen you know I mean it's right we wouldn't be managing the meeting per se and again I didn't say sorry Mr chairman sorry yeah I didn't say a staff person I said maybe someone from an HOA or whatever group is there so they can get their notes to bring forward to say what was said Etc so we get to hear it because we've heard different times well they had a meeting but they wouldn't listen to us they said nothing's going to change if someone there from the citizens group wants to bring a report back we should allow it or even encourage it and maybe that could be part of the notice as goes out and when the meeting's held that can be some type of verbiage in the saying if somebody here from the public wants to take some notes they can and submit them chair yes maybe an idea of commission Maro is if it's in you know if it impacts a neighboring CD or HOA I mean they're they're a semi-formal formal governing body it would behoove them to take a formal note and submit whether it's a submit file to the CLK or or something there's Merit to the point being made on on notice and comment Mr chairman yes I'm not sure that it's something that you need to spell out in the Land Development show in terms of in terms of if direction to the administr if it's a staff person direction to the administrator to to have someone there um doesn't need to be in the

ordinance um and I don't know that by ordinance you should be requiring an association to be there um I mean you we could make it clear in the in the ordinance that if there is an association they should be invited to attend you know something like that but I don't I don't know that because the association doesn't attend and it's a mandatory requirement of the ordinance the applicant has no control over that um I see where you're going I I just don't know that yeah that unless it's your team that it's something that we should be mandating example would be like Saddlebrook at how many meetings went on there multiple meetings and frankly we I mean that's that's that isn't a unique situation could happen again in a different phase like with the Estates at the at the links same type of thing that separate meetings um the associations did but I think something to allow for them encourage it however you want to put the verbage not make it mandatory but encourage it and welcome it that it can be received as part of Brad has something that but I'm not looking for staff to go be okay all right let's here Brad good afternoon chairman Brad tip in Planning Development I think I have an idea that that might work for this uh all of these meetings are done with a with a written mailed notice um we can include a line in that notice encouraging any attendees to provide the county with any written feedback that they would like regarding the meeting and we can include that just what all right that's easy enough to do we can do that on letter it doesn't need to be part of the ordinance cdds and HOAs in the area already get notifications so they can just provide it if they choose to okay right that sounds good qu question yes um we already made a change about sign notification locations right because we talked here about uh they only put it on one road this happened on Black Lake it was 54 and it could have been on Black Lake and so did we already make those changes no uh the code basically says it has to be um visible from a public roadway that abuts the project so like to put it on on offsite that would be like an offsite sign I think in this particular case this this road was kind of at an apex you had Black Lake Road so so they would have to do two signs because if it it's at two roads they would have to put a sign on each road so that's already in our code it is yes correct okay I thought we just had asked to make some changes to the sign locations but Mr chairman yes no did we change the size of the sign and all that detail did not change the size of the sign it just says basically a 24x 36 and it could be purchased from the county Terry we talked about that um what happened with that Terry pitos uh my understanding is that staff is

working on that a direction was provided to the staff to provide uh new sign sizes and new sign types uh I will say though um last year uh on January first the law changed um where uh public notification uh requirements to the newspapers uh didn't have to be made we could put them on our website we've been working on that um in the meantime uh through the year pretty close um on that front uh however it did raise the subject of how does this how does the county want to proceed with uh the actual signs and how we want to uh mandate them so we were going to look at we were we're actually looking at the entirety of our public uh hearing advertisement um process and system at the moment so as soon as we get the uh the the uh public notifications situated if we want to put these on our website versus in newspapers then we're going to also address what kind of signs that we want to have and how to uh let the applicants uh participate in that process when we talked you told me that you really like the hills R County signs I believe they were larger they they had some good examples uh I don't know why that we just incorporate that there were larger signs very visible signs and we we shouldn't allow cross outs and right overs sometimes you'll see something crossed out and kind of like written in beside it um and I I think it should be somehow some type of verbiage as far as location goes yes like you know the Saddlebrook when they F first put the signs out they were like in the driveway coming in nobody can stop you'd have to stop walk 200 yards 300 yards to go read what that sign said they changed it later but we got to make sure that they're in in a good location so okay yeah what would it take for you to get the hills row signs back the new signs that we would work on that we've been uh working on would not include handwriting handwritten signs on it would actually be printed signs that's the idea and so they would be printed signs okay large enough to actually see from the roadway when you're traveling at least 35 miles per hour okay you got to be big SS that's going to be big yeah they're looking at my eyes I got a problem okay shall I continue billboard ordinance may have problem I I have a question on the lanscape section um haven't gotten there yet do you mind if I just um read just the scrier eror yep and then I'll talk we'll talk about the landscape so chapter 400 permit types and applications 43.7 b4d Mass grading so there's an a script eror there should be 200 feet not 20 fet and that's basically just showing the ab budding developments 20 ft that doesn't make any sense it should have been 200 ft many of the other requirements are 200 ft as well okay question on this one sure um a number of places in the county one I comes to my mind on Trouble Creek where we had someone who came in property without a without a permit and cleared a beautiful beautiful forested property

with with a intent to put something on there that I think we would never ever allow um but the penalty what's the penalty for clearing without a permit it's not enough so I believe on that one and I don't think they're here to answer that question the county attorney's office did agree on a payment on that and I don't remember what the answer to that is but I hear it all the time it's it's you know just it's better just to go ahead and do it and pay the fee the penalty fee that project is stalled um because the I guess they're supposed to be getting some permitting through the southwest Florida water man your signs are capped by State Statute what else can we put on there don't call it a fine call it something else let's get creative no we need a deterrent there there people are coming and clearing land without permits all the time and and then we have to figure out how do we count the trees that they cut down um and it's just not I just think we need to needs to be more punitive in my opinion and is there anything else Jeff I thought you were limited huh thought we were limited in what we could $500 well that's what I just said to the commissioner and she told me to get creative okay it's it's cheaper to pay the fine I mean we've done things like stack the charges if you will well that's and yeah and so technically it's the violation depending on how the code officer writes it that the violations could be each and every tree that is taken down and that gets the number up um I'm not sure whether or not we [Music] can um create basically a timeout for someone who violates the code I'm but that's something we could look into maybe there can be no development for x amount of years that would be timeout that's what that's what I meant okay well sometimes you have to explain it to me different I was I was conferring with with Mr tippen as well there may be some retroactive things that you could look at in terms of going back and then you know looking at bring it back to the board so we we'll we'll could double the penalty of the submitt as well you know that type okay can we get some creative ideas they'll bring it back okay there's no action on this item oh no I'm not done moving on to landscape okay so the landscape 400 40310 all that we're doing here is this is a from when we created the landscape plan section this is really just for um landscape plans so we put a a portion of 905 point2 into this section we're taking it out of the landscape section moving it back to 95.2 which is where it should be this is just the applicability section for this section is changing where that it's only applicable to projects where landscape improvements are required so there's not really any changes to the section but

that's aing out moving it into the other section can I can I speak on this you may speak and I've had multiple meetings with staff on on some issues with the landscape ordinance and and going back and asking businesses who have let all their Landscaping die or like some businesses after you get the CEO they take their trees out um and um and Brad you've been in on these meetings so I don't know if you want to step up here on this one the thought that we had in in our group meetings with code and Denise and Brad is instead of putting the onus on a land on a business to try and find their original site plan or staff to go back and look for the original site plan because apparently code can't site anybody unless they have what they know exactly what's missing why not say you know it's clear that your Landscaping is not how it was and we can tell through photos um we we have modified the Landscaping ordinance and improved it since a lot of these businesses went went in for example we don't require those BMS anymore which are very hard to maintain um so why not just let them uh redo their Landscaping to the current rules which are better anyway and we would need to tweak this to allow that correct yeah this this would require some some additional tweaks to get there but that is again one of the options we looked at an interim option which is to improve their Landscaping but not necessarily all the way to code uh if they're doing it voluntarily um and then if they're not doing it they don't follow through we could come back and and require something a little more there's a whole bunch of different things we've looked at and talked about with a bunch of different people but we would need to tweak the code a little bit more to to make sure we get that to happen so it seems very reasonable and easier on everybody um to say you you have your option you know you can put it back how it was permitted or you can just come up to the new code and I think everyone would choose to just come up to the new code which is better anyone right may it makes it so much easier on our staff code enforcement it really does and the reviewers I agree Mr chairman yes I mean I I agree but just the the one card I have trouble with is US1 19 and again I think we should look at that c or maybe do a separate workshop on it to go find out what's the best way to set it because a lot of those people have let this stuff go because before that you couldn't see their signs it couldn't get any any visibility uh it's kept a lot of poll signs in place because of the whatever so I I think maybe it is time to do just do a study I'm okay with the changes you're talking about right here but I think we need to do an overlay District I for most of the businesses on 19 came in when we had no landscape requirements um some of the automobile um businesses are there they've let it die or taken it out um I

would I would I will send you pictures of what's required in other counties with the automobile dealers and what we have and I will tell you ours is less so um but other than that Mo most of the businesses haven't come in since we most of the problem children um but anyway I'm I'm glad that you're in agreement with this and okay so would it so would it be to give the person the option to either um uh comply with their approved landscape plan original one correct original approv landscape plan or bring it up to the current Cod yeah which they have to provide not the county no I I understand yeah to save you guys from going to that warehouse and digging through all the boxes right okay all right moving on to the next uh item chapter 400 47.2 e variances and then this is the same also in 47.5 alternative standards so basically this acts adds a change in the effect of final determination if the Planning Commission denies a variance or an alternative standard the Planning Commission shall not consider any further application for the same variance or the same alternative standard on the same property for a period of 12 or more months or for any other kind of variance or any other kind of alternative standard for a period of six or more more months from the date of denial that's very similar to the way we do special exceptions this happened this year as you may probably recall that the Planning Commission denied a variance for a setback on a parcel and literally the gentleman applied for the same exact variance a month later and denied it again and then then that came to the board and the board you know reversed the decision on appeal uh but they that person should have just appealed or waited or whatever the case may be so because the specifics on the situation did not change um the next section is chapter 500 zoning section 522.com PUD purpose and intent this is j a scrier error it says that there's an emergency communications division flu classification there's no such thing it should be EC employment center future land use classification for the next item you're going to probably you're going to see this quite a lot throughout um changes uh to the name of Pasco County fire rescue so in this next section 522.com PUD Paving grading and drainage um we're just changing the name of Pasco County fire rescue division to Pasco K County fire rescue Department because it's not a division it's a department next section is 500 Street design and dedic a it replaces Fire Marshall with County fire marshall so the county attorney's office is making some changes to the Pasco County code of ordinances and they've asked me that we really need to be consistent throughout so you're going to see this quite a bit same thing in 522.com um section 85.4 A impacts to Wetland mitigation and 85.6 restrictions on post-development wetlands and Upland buffers so basically this just changes so that um and this is consistent with

comp plan policy 1.3.1 3 um for developments not required to Plat the post-development category one wetlands and Upland buffers within the non-residential parcel shall be con conveyed by the applicant as a conservation easement and this codifies current practice and you've probably actually seen quite a few um alternative standards because the code doesn't currently say that next section is chapter 900 development standards 91.2 e it revises the number this is a um scrier error it's a unintended consequence of amendment 45 when removed the dedication waiver um allowances again next section is 900 91.6 D2 Street design under development standards it replaces Fire Marshall with County fire marshall next section is 900 development standards it replaces County fire marshall with County fire marshall and adds the word County to fire rescue department so Pasco County fire rescue Department um next section is 95.2 you heard about the move from 40310 landscape plan into 95.2 no changes just taking it out of um 40310 bringing it into 95.2 next section is chapter 900 development standards 97.1 D6 on-site parking loading stacking another one where we replace Fire Marshall with County fire marshall next section is chapter 100 miscellaneous structure regulations Wireless Communications facilities it's another thing again that you're um that the time the time starts ticking from the when the application is deemed complete for review what what are we what's on our screen here I'm so sorry i f fast forwarded too much R okay so here we go so basically it changes the time the application is received to when the application is deemed complete for review as to when the the clock starts ticking um and then we um modified it there's a scri scrier error due to some changes that we made in chap um through chapter 27 Pasco County code of ordinances next section is 1,000 miscellaneous structure regulations 13.3 Gates fences and walls it clar clarifies that the 4- foot maximum fence height in front yard applies to Corner lots and double Frontage Lots but they don't have to get a permit so how they don't have to get a permit so so how do they know anything about our I think that is well I think we need to do a better job at putting things on our website and showing all those things that we did and um would love to talk to the team who's working on the website because I think we're getting a our website is changing um to incorporate that in there next section is 1300 concurrency mobility and impact fees uh section 132.0 it just adds fulltime as a qualifier that's for small businesses the following section and you're going to see this uh quite a bit throughout chapter 13 100 concurrency mobility and impact fees it adds non-eligibility eligibility for affordable housing rate if the project

has invoked the land use zoning preemption or property tax exemption the live local act it adds moderate income affordable housing rate which is equivalent to the transit or oriented design rate and adds non-eligibility for affordable housing rate if the project has invoked the land use zoning preemption or property tax exemption the live local act and um and it also adds the non eligibility for Tod tnd and Mum developments that have invoked the land use zoning preemption or property tax exemption in the live local act next section is 1300 uh 13023 C5 School impact fees in position um I'm going to tell you that it is the same exact thing with uh parks and wreck and Library impact fees and fire combat and rescue fease um all these sections were adding or partial exemptions as affordable housing exemption no fees are due if the unit is Affordable to a f family with a median income that does not exceed the 80% of the median income for the Tampa St Petersburg cleared water standard Metropolitan statistical area it adds non-eligibility for the affordable housing rate if the project has invos invoked the land use zoning peremption or property tax exemption in the live local act it adds moderate income affordable housing partial exemption which is a partial exemption that the unit is Affordable to a family with a mediate income between 80 and 120% of Ami and it adds non-eligibility for the affordable housing rate if the project has invoked the land use zoning preemption in the live local act it also removes alternative form of payment um again we're asking today that you accept public comment there's no action required by the board of County Commissioners this is set for adoption on January 9th 2024 uh comes to you with a recommendation of um f found a finding of consistency from the local planning AG and um here for any additional questions that you may have Mr chair okay yes ma'am so under commissioner items I was going to bring up the loom and the mpud uh that we talked about which is at The Preserve um is this the right is this an okay time to bring it up can that be added in here or do I have um I am I let me see I think I'm making changes to the MD section yeah that's what that would definitely why don't why don't you talk about it cuz I'm not sure that that's so um we sent some pictures and this one's going to be out of order if you could put up there the photograph of The Preserve um whoever we sent the photos to um that is going to be a um a like a it's probably an aerial I don't know Katie may be able to come out here and go over what I sent you so Commissioners I didn't know this happened and I probably wouldn't have been okay with it but it was a decision that was made by staff not by us um and if you remember the loom is the land use equival equivalency Matrix and and there's great reasons to keep it in most circumstances but in a circumstance like this I I would not have been okay with this so

Denise can you say what happened in September um I don't know the exact numbers because they're I wasn't ready to discuss this right now uh but basically what it is is that this particular project um invoked the land use equivalency Matrix in order to um use I think what they were exchanging is 30,000 square fet of commercial for 400 and something multif Family Apartments so we lost commercial at Sun Coast and 54 for more apartments and I would not have been okay with that um there's a lot of a there's a there's a lot of multif family in this development already and um I just didn't want to lose commercial uh or office it could have been office how do we lose that well it's it's not something that comes to us right that that is something that's within the mpud that the applicant that there could be an administrative approval of the land use equivalency Matrix so as long as the equivalencies are shown in the table as to commercial is the there's an equivalent multif family these are the number of trips and they there's an equivalency that's used an exchange I think I have somebody here behind me it's not Apples to Apples Brad Tipp and Planning Development again uh yes we can actually footnote those Loom tables uh with some restrictions on what they can and cannot trade off when we bring those to the board for approval um as part of the mpud process U most of them are in the muds now some of them historically have been in Dr eyes but uh or comp plans I'm sorry uh but when we do it with the mudds we can bring them forward we can we can add or modify those as the board sees fit in particular situations um uh situations with mutum and and other things are a little bit complicated because there are certain density levels that are required to be there so they need to sometimes up certain densities in certain areas to create that core density that's necessary so sometimes that commercial does get in exchange there uh but there's minimum amounts of commercial and and office that are also required to be retained as part of that equation so and and they did we did re retain some commercial and office which I'm quite a bit yeah so that's that's good it's just was you know I just remember when we did the seven The Seven Oaks one which I was for um they took multif family that was back inside the community and brought it out front that was a little different that's my Rec um which I would rather have that apartment complex out front than buried in a community like seven oaks that just had that one road going through um so it but I don't think I I feel like this circumstance was a little different than that one so I just thought maybe we should talk about it CH we can it's difficult with the loom because looms are are are kind of meant to be a little bit uh specific to each situation uh whatever each individual project is trying to achieve uh so to make a more Global thing as an ordinance edit might be difficult uh whereas each individual in PD like I

said there's footnotes on those looms so you can say we don't want you to convert any of this for that you know you can convert industrial for office or something but no residential you can make those types of of restrictions on the actual imputes themselves as they come through Mr White who is who I'm sorry when you say who we who can make those footnotes because you can we can uh well we we generally would make that as part of the review process uh when we know it's going to be an issue uh it goes to the county attorney's office David is very good also about making sure that we don't swap certain things for other things that the board's not looking for um and then that does come through Planning Commission they can make that request and then it comes to you as well and you can make that request once once you adopt the mpw they can't make any changes to those T so so sentiment from this board theoretically could be if we agree with this today let's not be horse trading office the commercial space for more multif family rental product uh and developments I think that's a and as a general rule we can we can certainly keep that as we're processing let us know maybe yeah it would be like I said each individual case depending on a mix you're going for uh you know it's very difficult again to make a very general ordinance in that regard but you will have a shot at every mpud where you can make sure that that's there much like we've been doing with deed restrictions with the live local you know you can make UD like this Brad wouldn't necessarily tell us they were doing that or wanting to do that before we voted for the mpud it would be in the conditions of approval okay the table would you just have to pick up on the fact that the that the chart allowed them to swap all these things and we can make a point of putting in our agenda memo that there is a loom to kind of call that to everyone's attention so that you can look at that and see if there's trade-offs and what they are uh but once again once it's voted by you guys we can't change that okay and and I'm not talking about swap moving residential stuff around I'm talking about losing commercial in office correct this is not Al Loom would is not designed to be used to move things around on the site it's to take entitle changing entitlement values so that's that's the total function in the in the old days these were done to avoid substantial deviations for dris that's kind of where they came from but they've continued even after dris so it basically based on the it manual for the most part it says this generates X number of trips and this generates X number of trips and so no harm no foul you can trade that well that may not be what the board wants is to change that commercial into single family or multif family yes it looks only one one consequence of a change One impact of a change which is the trip generation it may not look at

the employment generation and the other things like that so that's where those footnotes we can reduce and restrict or mandate we can also mandate a certain amount remain yeah because I would love to have had another touch point there I agree Mr chairman yes sir Denise do you remember I thought we voted on this thing because this was very high residential not as high initially and then we switched it and you said you could do it but we made a choice to let this happen didn't we in this location here specifically it actually it's in the in the land use equivalency Matrix that you can move commercial to multif Family Apartments you can't move commercial to like I think site Bill residential but to multif family you could it's a big one it's like 400 and something I know I think it's Dr hoodon that's above isn't it yeah okay so I think when this came before us we they came to us saying to make to make well I recall hearing about it and I think it was something like we need this residential density to make this whole deal work so we sacrificed that to get this this how I recall it I don't know yeah there was a if you recall there's a a DC uh Port project that's in that area there um and to be able to kind of shift some of that land around and do some of those things uh to maintain the actual mudam requirements that they were searching for with their neighborhood cores and things they had to actually do a little bit of switching and swapping again a lot was retained as well so um I you know it was in in the loom it was kind of designed to function like that to try and try and be able to balance that because when you're doing these zonings they're very early on the Market's changing as you go um so you want to try to be able to address that obviously we don't want to lose the the employment generating uses so we we can certainly restrict those Looms to no and I'm all for if you can make the switch from the residential to the commercial let that happen all the way through the other one it should be a little bit more grit to it what do we need to do to make this an item we we can hear about it so yeah it it'll come through with all the muds what we will do is we'll make sure that it's clearly noted in the agenda memos that we that we bring to you that there is a loom so that you can look at it and you can see if those footnotes are okay the footnotes are where we're going to restrict those those transactions yeah can you can you put up the this is a really bad picture do you mind going to just Google or so because you can't tell what's going on in that picture I'm sorry I didn't see that also I have to tell the board there is no legal requirement for you to have a loom at all so I mean that's something that you know the development community may not be particularly happy with that suggestion but you can approve a project and if they want to change the entitlements then they'd have to come back to you the loom is a is designed to give administrative flexibility for

their for their project I just think if we're not giving up commercial in office I'm I'm okay with it I mean yeah for now I mean that's that's the big thing and we'll take that direction as we're working on the the mpds moving forward and make sure again we'll bring it to your attention if there's one there so you can double check and kind of see what that is well this this map still isn't up to date for some reason but it's the it's the land um over here on um will you see where touch point is it's the land on the main road to the right and south of it that is that's the land that was left for commercial and office MH and there's still some left um but I think half of that now going to the apartments y but that was one of our major employment Corners right okay that was my all right so Mr chair if you would call for public comment on this item chair I have a I have a point to add to this I was going back forth with Mr carbal on when to bring this up he said bring this up now so we did early on we did another Mass vote on LDC when I first started commissioner Bradford was here and uh we first joined but going through and and coming off the hills of the homestead exemption for for seniors we voted uh Land Development code to not allow folks and staff correct me if I'm wrong here but not allow folks to live in their RV while they're building their home on an acre or whatever they have and for affordability I think we need to amend that rule to allow folks if they live on an acre a land More's own agriculture that they could live in their RV because they're going to have one anyway be parked under a cover instead of them having to go pay rent somewhere $23,000 a month they're living in probably a pretty nice RV they're building their home but the caveat this would be they have an active building permit right so they're actively building their home and they're instead they're spending their money on on rental elsewhere they're expeditiously reinvesting it into their property to hurry up get their Co and then their property is on the tax roll so when we talk about affordability of building and living in Pasco I think this is one way that we can help homeowners uh do that and they can stay on their property that they own and they use and as long as they have an active building permit that folks can do that and also goes to commissioner starky's point when she brought up I think accessory dwellings a meeting or two ago you know they could build their garage first as long as they're an active building permit that they can stay on their site whatever the parameters are we agree on they're on their site building their home and they're not having to go rent rent somewhere so that's actually already allowed part it is have to pay their impact fees yeah part of the problem

there was the fact that people used to come there and start building their home living in an RV or trailer and then when they got through building their home they didn't move the trailer they just kept it you had two families on that same property and that's why this rule was made so that would not happen so if you can come up with some idea of how to guard against that then I would be for that but you got to guard against the fact that they continue and then move another family on that same lot so yeah so so the one the first the second one I suppose which was uh building we have we have folks here who build a detached garage with residential on top until such time as that then they actually build their home and uh and basically that that's been allowed so as long as they pay their Mobility fees impact fees and everything else and then when they build their home they have to make that into some other type of you know use that's not residential and then they add the house and then they pay the difference in the uh Mobility fees based on the square footage of the structure because now you have a a larger structure first you fell under one tier now you fall into a different tier so that's that's always been allowed CH so so for clarity so someone can put in septic well for example collow or wherever they have an acre acre or two Zone day are they can go and stay in their camper while they're building their house no no I'm talking about the detached garage question so there you could start building a garage that has residential space and pay the mobility fees the impact fees all that stuff and then later on build the house and then that residential space has got to go away because you're at Quail Hollow for example it's one dwelling unit per acre so if you only have an acre you can only do one dwelling unit I know that there's going to be a conversation about accessory dwellings but I I don't know that that's something that um I I think there was a former staff member that was working on maybe somebody can provide RVs RVs are that's not you cannot you cannot reside in an RV while a house is being built not allow see I disagree with that okay I disagree with that if somebody's building a house they have an active building permit and they have a brand new RV and they tyeing into their septic and well they're live they're not paying rent somewhere they're taking that 2 to 3,000 and it's encouraging them and feel free to jump in here carbal whenever you can there encour it encourages folks to continue to invest they're not wasting money on rent and that rent's probably leaving and going to Texas or New York wherever the hedge fund is it's their property they're using it if if we set parameters uh it's a little bit more work on code I guess but we set parameters where the following say the RV is not any older than 10 years whatever whatever it is folks are on their property they're working they have an active building permit Hernando has this ordinance for example Hernando

County allows this to me it encourages home ownership it allows people to keep more money in their pocket and not waste their money on rent uh that's just my opinion uh I think we should allow that to happen and I think it would encourage home ownership if you're buying an acre of land in Pasco these days you're making a significant investment so it sounds like should this be something that would be like in agricultural districts like AR one acre lots not like in the middle of a subdivision or whatever where there's HOA that would never allow Devil's Advocate I've lived in a lot of countries and I've seen how different how homeowners have gotten very creative and avoiding paying certain taxes for example in some of the islands it you don't you don't get taxed until your house is done and so you can look and see they all have Rod all these rod iron poles sticking up for the second floor that they haven't built yet so technically their house isn't done so they get taxed very differently um so you know technically someone could be building a house and never get their CEO because they or or they could really draw draw it out so I would want to put some guard rails on something like that I think it's interesting but I think it needs some guard rails on it 100% so I think that has to be workshopped among staff and I don't think that's something we can Mr chairman this yes sir this that can't be added to this package anyway so you you'd have to you'd have advertise that yeah had bring something else up but I think that's something we can take up as as action for fora wants to say something oh go ahead Mr say the key to address that is an active building permit because the permit expires after six months and so they would need bu months they would well if you get inspections you need inspections uh within that six-month period to get uh keep your perit active before your time we had a building official here who had an open permit for 10 years to avoid having to pay property taxes on that he's no longer employed by us yeah I I think an active building permit is a key is a key item right yeah I M chairman I certainly think we need to talk about this more Mr Marana I would love to see what the Hernando County ordinance is so maybe you can send the copy to us uh that might be the easiest way to do it but anything we can encourage someone building an acre on an acre lot that's a good thing yeah okay we'll take that under action all right so what do we have left here we got need to take public comment public comment comment we're not voting on this are we you're not just take public comment it's still public hearing and we're going is anyone signed up there was no one signed up one signed up no one signed up oh no one signed up okay is anyone in the audience wish to speak to this item seeing no one okay we'll close this item and move to public hearings so when is the you've already 9th 24 at 1:30 in D City the the next public hearing for

this item will be 9th 2024 at 1:30 or as soon there after as you get to in city in City okay all right move to uh p74 and would you um go over the information for everyone I'll be happy to Mr chairman there are two resoning agendas regular and consent staff will present each application to the board of County Commissioners if staff or Planning Commission has recommended approval and there is no no opposition the application will be considered by the board without further presentation if the staff or Planning Commission has recommended denial or if there is opposition to the application the applicant will be given five minutes for presentation the opposition will be given three minutes for each individual or five minutes for a group representative and the applicant will be given three minutes for rebuttal any individual disagreeing with staff or Planning Commission recommendation or anyone wishing to object to any condition of the voting May at this time request a petition be pulled from the consent agenda in which case that application will be heard on the regular agenda later on during the meeting otherwise all resoning applications on the consent agenda will be approved by a single motion and vote if you wish to speak to any petition please give your name and address and whether or not you've been sworn for the record these are quasa judicial public hearings the law in Florida is that mere public support or opposition of an application is is insufficient for this board to take action please limit your comments to those criteria found within the board's all right thank you okay uh p74 p74 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times October 18th 2023 p74 is PDD 24772 6 this is only amendment Cherry Hills West mpud Master Plan unit development the request is to continue the item to the January 9th 2024 or to County Commissioner's meeting at 1:30 in D City there is no one signed up okay no one it's a continuance it's been advertised as a continuance move to continue time certain second no well do we have to was any okay does anyone want speak to it it does it you don't have to take public comment it's been advertised as a continuance all right so we got a motion in a second to continue do you have a second yes okay all I do okay I thought you said no do we have to I didn't think to vote on have a kept it on the consent agenda okay all in favor say I I all oppos like sign motion passes 40 uh move on to [Music] p75 p75 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times October 11th 2023 p75 is PDD 2456 is a development agreement Amendment rener mpud master plan unit development KB Homes LLC modification to devel to the development agreement for the rener mpud comes you with a recommendation of approval from the local planning agency and the

Planning and Development Department is there anyone here is anyone signed up no but i' like can I get a quick presentation because I did a lot of work on this MP so staff member is here so there anybody in the audience wish to speak against this item okay not see anyone we move on well she want a presentation yeah we have that presentation good afternoon William from buing Planning and Development so this is item PDD 2456 it's an amendment to the rener DA uh here's the location of the rener mpud and so this is uh an amendment to the approved da that was required uh in the original da paragraph 11 uh here's a subject site location of that MPD uh on Bexley Road and here's a quick contextual map showing the subject site Bexley Road and the Clark property imput and the Hagman mutd to the north and so the the modification essentially is modifying the exhibits of what the developer is going to be uh essentially doing and providing that 12T multi-use path in the sidewalk along those segments of Road uh both section sections A and C which are shown here um so section A is that blue highlighted portion of the roadway section c is the pink and here is another exhibit further highlighting those three sections of road so what what's being modified that's my question okay so it's essentially it's those those exhibits and the the modification to this to this uh da was required by the original because at the time of the approval of the da uh feasibility wasn't known because engineering hadn't been done about what the developer could or could not build and so they determined that on on Section A U on that uh exhibit there that the uh the 12ft multi-use path is going going to be extended West on the north side of Bexley Road uh when the remaining segments of the vision Road are constructed there's currently insignificant rideway currently in the parcels aren't owned by the applicant and uh on section c there's currently insignificant RightWay on the south side of the Wisteria Loop to construct the 5-ft sidewalk and to provide the required substandard Road uh improvements so the applicant is providing that sidewalk on the north side of the Wisteria Loop because that Clark and pewd who I showed here is uh controlling the land that's already been set aside for drainage and flood plane mitigation okay so board members we we had quite a few meetings on this and I went out there with our County engineers and their engineers and rayad and if you remember the sheriff lived here um part of the problem on this road and this is part for our new AA um was that part of this road is designed as a urban section and part of this road is an urb a rural section and it gets and the trail the multi-use trail is supposed to be on the north side of the road correct

um and and so I am curious what was worked out in front of that was that a lenar neighborhood or who who's neighborhood is up there close to 41 where um that's the first one we approved and it's built it's wraps around our elderly nutrition building that's over there yeah uh yeah and Clark that that Hagman mpud they were they were donating some land to the county and that there was plenty of room for that trail to go through that so where is that land donation I just uh I need a lot more specifics in here has should have their engineer here who would be uh more Adept to speak to the exact uh because it sounds it if I'm hearing you right we're just getting little bits and pieces of the multi-use trail and that was how this neighborhood right going to be able to get out on the trail so yeah unfortunately they they just don't own or control any of the land but we do because that was given to us that where's the applicant hey Shell um do you have more maps than this because where's the piece of land that Hagman that bottom piece along with steria was given to the county or or the developer so unfortunately our engineer is not here today um but I can't tell you that the exhibits that are laid out I'm sorry shelle Johnson 6400 Madison Street and I have been sworn thank you um when the engineers went back and looked at that they have consulted with Mr Gad they've consulted with Mr Cow um I think the sheriff was aware of what we're doing y Jeremy lives out on this road too yeah everybody has met out there and discussed exactly what we're proposing on these exhibits the changes or the original no the changes and everybody is in agreement with the changes so so can you be more specific to me than saying it's a B and C are you building you're so you are not building the multi-use trail so the multi-use path according to the engineers and everybody that looked at it what can be fit is in section A which is the first section on the exhibit if you go to exhibit a I believe his word has the sections laid out that really on that particular section you can't tell on that there's a 12ft multi-use trail that will be extended to the West on the north side of Bexley Road from that map you have no idea where you're talking about so if you go to the additional exhibits and I think section A is set forth on let me see here it would be the second page of exhibit a there's two sorry there's two key maps setting for section A and then the next one after that sets for section c okay this is the perfect map because see that big piece of land there that big light green piece that's been given to the county by Hagman so there's plenty of room to put a trail on there so that would be on section c um and what the engineers are saying is there's currently insufficient right of way to construct a sidewalk well then and I believe that that land on the North side is controlled by the um another MPD that

Dr Hagman Hagman said they would they giving that to us I mean that could be a park and a trail head so someone has dropped a ball on this because there's plenty of room for the multi-use trail to go on that piece of land I mean as of right now there is not now I no there there's acres and Acres your that piece was given to us or pledged to us from the Hagman MP don't you got you guys remember this I'm new to this okay I am 100% positive that they said that we could have that piece so I'm not buying that we can't put the trail there so this is going to have to be continued because I I won't go for that one when we have plenty of room for the trail I mean yeah we'll be happy to go back I'll have the engineer here and we'll be happy to go back and and look at it but from I'm just telling you from what I know standing here today I'm being told there's insufficient right away currently and that's why it's being designed the way it is that they tried to fit what they could wear and everybody all the interested parties at least the resident interested parties on the road and that were involved in this coming up through process you didn't have either Clark or someone from the Hagman mpud there to tell you that well you have all that all that can you go back to the other map my understanding is that the area that you're looking at right now is being used for their storm water and so what they gave us is what they could give us and there's not any additional RightWay there that's my understanding because we have actually worked with that that other owner to try to get what we could from them I I I I I need to list I recall them saying that we could that they would give that to us and there would be plenty of room for the trail there so so they said that they would work with us on it there is I believe a condition in their approval that required them to work with us on it um so that's what they did but again we don't control it and so what they gave us is what they said they were willing in terms of what we could well there's a problem if they didn't give us enough to fit the trail so again I'm gonna go back and we're going to have to dig into this a little more yeahor I mean I'll be happy to go back because this is really important for that Community because there's no room on that road and that's going to be a busy road to ride anywhere I mean and this is how they're going to get get over to the orange belt Trail so and I don't know this was a whole condition of approval for me and that's why I went out there and met with Jeremy and Ry and our engineering staff and their engineers and we walked it and I don't remember if Clark was there or not but there was plenty of room for the multi-use path and it was didn't have to be smooshed up against the road so something has happened here when we went back and discussed with them what we did is what they said they had room for and I believe and I don't know how far along they are in their site plans so I don't even know if their storm water has been approved but I think what we were told

and what the County's been told or the staff has been told is that they're utilizing some of that for their storm water drainage and so we could not there there was nothing more to give that was what just have to have another conversation Mr chairman uh and I I agree with commissioner starky 100% when this was talked about that was an easy thing I've been out there to see the site as well uh it should it shouldn't be a problem and if it means we got to bring the other developer in to have the conversation with them it's going to be our staff that's going to have to lead that conversation and I suggest they do we can play the tape we can roll back the tape okay on the next section um section c what are you saying about section c and that is the the uh transition I think from the rural to the urban road section which we all knew had to be worked out when this was all started so on on section c it's a a similar issue with the insignificant right away on the south side of the road well I don't think we ever wanted it on the south we wanted it on the North well for it was ins insignificant right away to construct the the 5 foot sidewalk that's going to be along South but there's room on the North to connect to on section c there's room on the north for the multi-use path multiuse correct okay um that's not an issue but um you know the restaurants and all that Capital taco and all that that's out there on the south side but they'll they'll have to cross safely if there's no room on the south I'm not I'm not as worked up about that as much as making sure that multi-use trail gets put in correct and we can certainly confirm that with the the developers of Hagman okay I make a motion uh move to continue to would be one uh January 23rd uh 2024 if you want it here in Newport Richie at 1:30 or soon thereafter is say is this one that can go on either side uh yeah with it with its proximity to to US 41 you could do it on either side especially given that we haven't had any members of the public reach out to us probably need the time though um can we say either or well you can continue it to the January 9th meeting and then then continue it again um shelle how much time do you think you'll need deadline is the 12th for the nth deadline is deadline of what to the deadline for us to be able to get everything in is too close to hit the ninth okay so we'll I was just trying to help them okay so uh move to continue to the second meeting in January January 23rd 2024 January 23rd okay a second I got a motion in second all those in favor say I I I all opposed like so motion passed 4 Z to continue move on to p78 766 what 76 excuse okay p76 was

advertised in the Tampa Bay Times October 4th 2023 item p76 is PDD 24 7696 this is a zoning amendment I have some things to read into record uh Corrections uh first is that it's Greenfield Place LLC not LLP Greenfield Place West resoning it's for a change in zoning from an AC to an i1 light Industrial Park District with a voluntarily agreed upon deed restriction that uh preserves the uses to i1 light Industrial Park District uses so um another change in the memo is on page four or five of your memorandum uh finding a fact number 11b the um totals are a little different we did provide that to the clerk's office so it basically States the proposed amendment to I future land use would allow for maximum development potential of 2,261 3635 Ft that should be 8,520 771.00 and then uh the resulting in a net gain of approximately it now reads 1, 5829 70 square feet of light industrial land uses that should reach 7,842 106.6 ft of light industrial land uses um this comes to you with a recommendation of approval from the planning and development department and the Planning Commission okay is anyone signed up to speak to this there is no one signed up no one signed up is anyone in the audience wish to speak against this item see a no one entertain a motion appr second this is protected right yes I got a a volunt aged upon restriction yes all those in favor say I I I right thank you motion pass 40 move on to p77 p77 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times November 19th 2023 hi Amy Ferell budget director with the Office of Management and budget p77 is a resolution for the tax equity and fiscal responsibility act application and public hearing for the Innovation Preparatory Academy so what is a tea it's a federal tax law that allows for the issuance of tax exempt bonds for qualified private activity IRS regulations require approval from the County Commission as the highest elected governing body with jurisdiction over the area in which the project will occur a finding the project is in the public interest a public hearing to gather input for the public an approval will allow the Florida charter Educational Foundation to borrow at a tax exempt rate so we are here today to ensure that we're complying with these IRS regulations so how will the bond be used fcef is seeking to borrow up to $25 million funds will be issued by the Industrial Development Authority of the county of laas Arizona not Pasco County the purp purpose of the bonds is to finance the acquisition development construction and equipping of an approximately 56,3 square foot Charter School building and ancillary facilities the charter school will be

the Innovation Preparatory Academy and located in Wesley Chapel it will fund capitalized interests and other costs of issuance as well the county will have no obligation with respect to the bonds the county is not responsible for paying The Debt Service there is no cost to the county resulting from the approval of this application and fcef is not borrowing from the county I now ask the chair to open for public comment okay there's no one signed up no one signed up no sir is anyone in audience wish to speak to this item seeing no one move for approval second got a motion and second all those in favor say I I I motion passed 30 0 move on to p p78 p78 was advertised in the Tampa Bay time September 6 2023 good afternoon Tammy Snider Planning and Development um just a little housekeeping first throughout this review there have been a number of exp partes and Communications which have all been forwarded to the clerk's office already and here we have Beacon Woods East and PUD it's PDD 24 7742 proposed as a zoning Amendment from an Ute to an UT to amend the master plan and conditions of approval to set forth additional passive uses that may occur in certain Golf Course areas uh such as parks open space drainage and utilities and the site is located in Western Pasco County here's the location [Music] map current zoning districts the current uh area is in peed and it's surrounded by um mix of General commercial professional office puds and mudes future land use Is Res 6 residential six dwelling units per gross acre and PD plan development the context map shows the Regional Medical Center B Point Hudson Regional Library Veterans Memorial Park and a few schools here's the master plan a majority of this has been built out the conditions of approval were revised to include um specific passive uses such as the neighborhood parks to include walking trails UNL open play areas tot Lots playgrounds and recreational ports and potentially in Entrance Road utilities flood plane compensation and drainage um the conditions of approval were also revised per the Planning Commission condition of number 38 was revised to say shall rather than May um the planting and proper maintenance SL removal of trees and or shrubs shall be allowed and a final sentence was also added to that condition for further further clarification uh tree removal shall be allowed where it meets the criteria in section 802.3 point b.1 or two of the Land Development code and such tree removal shall not constitute a prohibited agricultural activity or harvesting and with that the PD and the Planning

Commission recommend approval with conditions okay Mr chairman well when was it was this when was public or you gave that uh there are four people signed up oh okay yeah I thought this was going to get remanded back to the P to the Planning Commission what am I missing we we need to hear from the applicant okay good afternoon Barbara will height 6327 Grand Boulevard if I could just take one second I want to say something about your staff I'm approaching the end of my 27 year working with Pascal County government it's been a really fine year you have some great staff you have new leadership with Roy and Nick Anin and and Jason in public works and your staff working on these comp plan amendments and these rezonings are really doing a great job so I just want to be thank to say thank you for the opportunity to work with you every day of this year and with your great staff sorry about that has nothing to do with this so here we are um but I didn't want to say that this morning because your public comment went on forever so I thought I would do it now and don't forget the Great County Attorney's office they have they're really seasoned and you guys are lucky to have um all those people so yeah it's like a where's Barbara going what she doing anyhow I just want to say because it's our last meeting of the year um so this is the most unusual matter I find myself doing for these 27 years I represent the contract purchaser on this property Ryan Holmes we have an agent of record form from the owner of the former golf course U Mr lman for the pending MPD amendment that being said I've seen the communications between Mr lman the property owner and the county um request re esting that mpud conditions 37 38 and 39 be removed I understand that the Estates HOA which is the neighboring HOA to where my client proposes to do a development project has also made that same request we are okay with those requests we proposed to do a development here and purchase a portion of the golf course to use for parks and ponds and flood plane compensation that's what my client and then there's all these other issues about Mr Mr lman and trees and maintenance and these other things that have I now learn are part of my Amendment and that's why we're we're going to have to ask for a remand what the county attorney's office has told me is in order for those conditions to be removed 37 38 and 39 that it needs to be remanded back to the Planning Commission and some different language needs to be added to the conditions the reason why I want to go through this with you is my clients's been at this for a year and a half I've been representing this for a year and a half and as we go now to back backwards again backwards now we're when we started out this was a non-substantial Amendment staff was going to administratively approve then it became in a substantial Amendment which we went along with and now we're at another Crossroads where we have to go backwards

so but I want you to understand why we're having to remand to the extent that you're able to give any direction um as we go through this next process before it comes comes back to you the reason for the remand is that the the conditions that are being asked to re be removed 37 38 and 39 are address agricultural use and maintenance in the event that the HOA HOAs do not accept the gift of their respective portions of this old golf course and actually in reality it's really just in case in the event that the fairways doesn't accept their p of the golf course because the Enclave has already voted 87% of their membership have said we want to accept this gift of this property so this so this what if is the scenario that we're talking about in 37 38 and 39 let me just remind you how this proposed gift to these HOAs has come about obviously the property owner is agreeable to do that but it's actually through my clients Ryan Holmes proposed development which includes the purchase of a portion of that former golf course for ponds and parks that the option for the HOAs to be gifted their respective portions of the old golf course is facilitated ironically we keep getting stopped installed and going backwards now and we can't actually facilitate my client can't facilitate the option for those HOAs to be gifted this property without the approval of this amendment which we're now going to go backwards on but understanding that that's okay we just want to get through this um I do think part of the problem here and I'm really puzzled by it is that we have The Enclave who's actively working um to get this property and supporting this effort and this amendment and but the fairways is I don't know where the fairways is are they are they here today I I've never talked to the HOA I haven't seen them at any other public hearings and um so we're doing what if conditions and then we're now going to go backwards to do what if conditions what if the HOAs don't take the property that they've been offered as a gift you know all the years I've been doing this we have many golf course situations this is the first one where it's actually where the homeowners can control their own destiny and take the property we haven't had that situation but there but now we're still having this issue of what if because the fairways HOA hasn't stood up and said we want to take it like The Enclave has so we're in this what if what if the fairways HOA doesn't take accept the gift what do we do with the agricultural use what do we do with the maintenance well I think the idea of remanding it is remanding it so I can change my application to allow for the agricultural use of the property so that the permitted use in addition to all the things that I've added relative to my client's proposed development we also add in there the agricultural use the significance of adding that in is that then if the HOAs don't want to accept the gifts or HOA in this this standpoint

because it's really just the fairways then Lowman the conditions would that looming can maintain the status quo which is agricultural use Tree Farm harvesting and um and that you can't use your main your maintenance ordinance you cannot enforce it against agricultural so to me that's what I'm I have to do is to amend my application to allow for agricultural use so that then it's clear that in the what if situation if the homeowners the fairways home homeowners association doesn't want the gift that then this we know what the rules of the game will be and that'll be the status quo would be maintained Barbara who's saying it has to go back to the Planning Commission David Goldstein which why can we not make these decisions here no you can't yeah no it's I I looked at it the item the item was not advertised for an Agricultural use they did not advertise that the recommendations so therefore the recommend the public hearing that was held below and the recommendation you got from Planning Commission did not include the use that suddenly in the 11th hour is wanted to be added to this application so go a little further Mr chairman go ahead yeah staff found like when they shut the golf course down they put trees all the way through through the ponds through everything else shut the golf course down um and that was going to be it and they then turned to an a tree farm yeah we had no control over it staff found staff found in the development agreement if you think way back we had a development agreement to go put a assisted living facility in it it showed the Matrix It showed what could be where and in no time could he be allowed to by the development agreement to turn it into a tree farm he had to come back to us and that's when this conversation started so bringing it bringing it forward that's where we're at so your staff says that a agricultural Tree Farm was not compatible with with this do you think the residents would rather have had an assisted living facility in our backyard versus a forest that's a separate parcel not talking about the golf course it just happened to be part of the mpud across the way there's assist it's got nothing to do with the golf course just happened to be there but in the development agreement it's part of the the larger picture so let me let me give you a little more the the golf course itself There Was Fear between arsenic they did arsenic testing I think that was pretty well resolved one of the things that was out there is oh you get those all the storm water ponds have trees in them those trees and storm events when the trees get older and older and older they start collapsing they start falling down could cause major issues and you're also shrinking the amount of drainage that you have cap cap capability of coming in now I'll just say this now because again I thought this was getting remanded didn't know we going to have this whole discussion but being know we're laying all this laying all this out I was told in agreement with st that they agreed to

take all the trees out of the storm water ponds good I was told they we're going to stick with 60ft lots good um the agriculture use change to allow them to go take the trees out and they shall be allowed to go clean the trees out when they want I'm good with that too so I don't know why all these other changes happen but as far as the remand goes if the County Attorney say got to go back for that reason so be it the issue is the what if scenario what are the rules of the game if the fairways HOA doesn't take their gift are they are they here do they do we know if they want it or not and then it doesn't matter they're all right there they haven't formally acted well can we ask if Fairway is here I mean why would they not want that so what maybe they could speak and we could find does that help any Barbara i' love to know what their yeah so let's let's hear from Fairway and then maybe we don't have to remand it back come forward and state your name and address and if you were sworn and if and if you're sworn because he's probably one that's name and address and if you've sworn yeah my name is Jack burit and I live at 8542 Coral Creek Loop in the subdivision of the Sy question I'm also the president of our homeowners association of 480 homes okay we we have accepted have you been sworn yes okay so you're from the Estates I am from the Estates okay she's looking for Fairway o right I'm just speaking of as one of the HOAs who have accepted okay so we need to hear from the Fairway HOA I think I think that is that's what we need to hear from because I think we're good with everybody else and if no one's here is anyone here wait are you coming up to speak okay from Fairway name and address and if you've been sworn I have it been sworn in okay if you would please raise your right hand and if anybody else that plans on speaking has not been sworn please stand and raise your right hand okay do you swear affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth so help you God yes okay thank you and then very end of the m b bends if that helps you can it down bend it down Eric's helping me to help there you go there you go and then if your name and your address please hi Annette pelicano 9269 water hazard Drive Fairway Oaks Hudson okay I'm just up here to tell you I am on the board of the HOA I'm not here representing them I'm representing myself as a homeowner but I'm on the board okay Merry Christmas do I don't have any answers for you I don't I don't know if the board that's there now we're having elections soon but the board that's there now hasn't made a decision on whether to take the land or not so where we are okay um Barbara do you mind standing up there with her maybe you guys so does I guess you can't give they they have to acknowledge that they want to accept again or it just stays as it is how so

par me so I think what you need to do is say what if H what happens if they don't take the gift that's where we're at that's where we're at because Mr lman the property own are saying if they don't take the gift by the way Mr L said I'm going to give my property away and Mr lman is saying can I read his letter I've never spoke to him but I can read his letter to you all he's saying if they don't take the gift I am asking to maintain my status quo which is I can have an exemption my trees are fall under agricultural use and I don't have the normal maintenance obligation that I would have if it's not agricultural that's what he's saying so he's he's saying don't by these conditions numbers 37 38 and 39 change my status status quo just because yeah the HOA won't take the gift so it's it's kind of like an option it's like okay either they take it as a gift or he gets to maintain the status quo and you guys stop fighting with them because right now you've had enforcement actions against them you've staff spent a gazillion hours on this I spent a year and a half on it with your staff I think the clear options are HOA takes it or he's allowed to you'll stop fighting with him and he can have his trees and his a if he's not AG then he's paying property taxes on land he can't really do anything with so he so as a a person it's got to stay egg because what I we would do currently is under dispute whether it's a or not from a zoning standpoint what we would do with this remand is clean up the paperwork so if the board approved the new paperwork it wouldn't be disputed anymore that's correct because the county be getting out of it saying all right it's two clear options it's either the HOA takes it or Mr Lan's going to keep doing what he's doing today and we're gonna stop fighting with him and stop using public resources because if the HOA doesn't want to M to have their own destiny public and the county and staff need to get out of it but I was under the impression that the trees were put in there without County approval well that's a dispute because we're trying to resolve doesn't need approval I'm not I don't have aair dog in that race Mr chair horse in that race Mar when this course was shut down they went out and put trees all the way through straight line shot all the way through through the ponds there was no approval through the county to do it but when when do we have to ask get approval for people to plant trees then he went to go get a agricultural Tree Farm go ahead Mr chairman if I may yes sir so you have to have agricultural zoning to do agricultural this Zone this was an MPD it did not have a it did not have a have a agricultural permitted use portion of it like some do okay but let me ask administrator has made a determination that this property does not have agricultural but do you have to have egg to plant trees on your property yes if you're going to be green belted and try and have and a if you want act taxes

civil culture operation which is what Mr lman okay has alleged he is doing is doing we abated that they've they appealed the zoning administrator's determination about whether or not they had an a a exemp an a use we abated that all because this zoning application was going to resolve it and was going to take a off the table as I said that okay Mr lman at the last minute sent an email into staff that said he wasn't good with that and that puts the applicant who has in a precarious position of what did they do now so what um so I did speak to Mr lman um I may or may not have ever met him I think I might have met him somewhere but not in a formal meeting um so I wouldn't know what he looks like but um I did have a conversation with him uh what is the difference between conservation and a because I think he said he would be okay with cons a design ation of conservation and I you know if he's here well I I think the way to resolve this is and not speaking I don't represent him but looking at this what I do like how do I get this resolved so we're not still here doing this month after month is that we make agriculture we we basically say the status quo is what he's doing today is now permitted under this amendment again we got to we got to go one way or another either these HOAs take this or Mr uses his property like he is now I mean if not we're always going to be in the middle of it like trying to do something in between and that's and so I think what you do is you put it out there and you're clear and I think one thing to the H Fairway to their you know maybe defense is that we probably haven't been clear you know what actually are their options and if you're clear by my paperwork if I REM if we remand that it's option A it's going to be agricultural use Tree Farm Farm Bonafide egg they can Harvest and you can't go after them for maintenance A or B homeowners control your own destiny take the property it'll probably be easier for them to decide because we don't have this somewhere in between like okay is if we don't take it we'll lman have to do X Y and Z well the answer will be no if you don't take it lman won't have to do X Y and Z so if you clarify that paperwork and the other HOA the H the states HOA is okay with that because they intend to take the property so they're fine they're like change the paperwork get rid of 37 38 39 write whatever it is that County Attorney's Office says we have to write to clarify the paperwork come back and then you can make you can formally say I'm okay with if the HOA doesn't take it we're going to stop chasing after Mr I just trying to we not have to send it back to planning to go back people homes and start Cho down trees treat if the HOA doesn't take it yes okay that would be what the paperwork would request so they haven't done it yet I have another question they haven't nobody's approved that yet about the mowing trying to

clean up the paperwork so you would see what your two options are right now we are some hybrid of thing of yeah and it's causing probably the uncertainty that's probably why you have your H I don't know why your H hasn't done anything but excuse I can the paperwork and make it very clear did he do paperwork to turn this land into before he planted it into agriculture use to he ask permission to be able to do that to that represent them I don't know I don't know I'm sorry I don't represent them I've just been trying to learn what's wrong with my paperwork so I could get I know with an Orange Grove an Orange Grove in the past when an Orange Grove froze out you could put pine trees on that orange grow and it would cuz it was agged before it already had AGS on it it stayed AG but you're talking about an mpud that had a golf course on it is totally different so you got to ask for permission for to be where we're at today I'm not taking a position that what he did was right or wrong I I'm just trying to move forward again if my client backs out of this contract the off the gift of this property goes away and everybody just starts fighting again and you all continue to spend resources going after Mr Lan I through this me through representing a developer who is going to develop a p purchase this property and facilitate the gift to these homeowners associations that's the resolution that gets everybody moving forward in my my opinion the only problem with that is there's no guarantee that they accept this property that it could be changed to a which would lower the taxes on it for those HOA if they take it is it conservation or what is it to the homeowners association some it would be open Spa open space and or Park common space so common space okay um isn't there a question about mowing Heights isn't there some restriction in here that requires the H OAS to mow it the the Restriction which is in your which is in this approval is that of your ordinance 42-1 and it says mow eight in is is it the whole thing that has to be mowed or just a perimeter I'm thinking it's the perimeter because I remember that being an issue and what I talk to people Terry would know probably I think it's 15 where's David where's David he CPM Mr chairman yes so let me ask a question because this is again I I mentioned this Barbara didn't want to Barbara didn't want to answer it I mean she doesn't even want to answer about what she knows as far as how these trees were just planted but that's okay I don't know Barbara you don't I don't know I swear under oath I do not know okay all right so 60ft lots that was agreed to for meeting I had with with staff not direct is that still agreed to so this mped modification has nothing to do with the R4 property the R4 property where we're developing is already R4 and the R4 zoning District minimum lot size

is 60 by 120 this mut amendment has nothing to do with lots because it's already zoned but we're not intending to change the R4 zoning 6 by0 Lots all right let me ask Tammy a question what a mess and I've read maybe two different agendas so in this you've got specific uh statements about the what can be built in the multif family Etc why is that in our document I'm sorry I didn't quite understand your question you've got you got things referenced in here about what can be built to for as multif family multif family that's what you mean in the beacon Woods East mpud that already exists none of that has changed that's original we are not modifying any of that there's not going to be any multif family on these Golf Course areas there's not going to be anybody living on these Golf Course areas well why would why would it be all restated in the document because what scares me it says this supersedes all other things done it we did not modify the conditions of approval for Beacon Woods East except to add that section regarding the golf course areas that's the only thing that was modified everything else in there was already there okay so no 60 have to go there no other development there's no residential on the golf course areas at all there's no no town homes or anything else going in okay no residential in the golf course areas at all okay when we talked initially I got word that the storm water ponds were going to be cleaned out not the Uplands part just the storm water ponds where the drainage goes that's what I was told and now I see I'm hearing it's not true cor because staff could not get behind that because the Land Development code the comprehensive plan everybody else is all for treats we cannot be setting a PDD cannot be setting a precedent to just blanket remove treats so staff let me stop you for a second that to you make that determination let me stop you for a second so we're looking at a mpud correct we're looking at mpud that had a giant probably 40 page storm water plan showing about 120 Acres of storm water ponds all the way through it where all the drain was going to go so we got an mpud that's existing as you just said all the conditions that were there and it shows all the storm water from all these homes that so tightly compacted that have no other drainage except to the golf course so all the water is going to flow to the golf course on the back of even that one road right there [Music] on I guess Tennison Danbury Lane I'll say that's like the old first hole all the way through there that whole ditch that goes right Behind these homes is now loaded with trees not a drainage expert but want to finish then you can answer me I want to finish so all the drainage that's here all the way through that was designed to take all the water from all those homes

and yes it needs trees thank you all right so there's nothing we can do it has to go backr time Mr chairman uh I would since this is I would take public comment oh yeah before you remen okay if that's the desire you sign up sir I am signed up and I swore them in give your name and address I and have you been swor my name yes my name is Jack brummit I live at 8542 Coral Creek Loop in the subdivision of the Estates and Reserve I'm also the president of our HOA representing 480 homes uh I appreciate the opportunity to address uh this panel in the planing our position uh as you may know on the on January the 21st our Associates met and voted to by a percentage of 87% voted to accept the 25 acres that had been offered to us we're excited about that and we're excited because this the development of The Enclave of Beacon Woods solves problems for us it takes care of the maintenance on nine fairway ways uh that have been not been taken care of in the last 4 and a half years uh it affords us the opportunity to take care of five Fairways from ourselves so that's 14 of the fairways it's in fact it's all of the course Golf Course old golf course in our community and we've been dealing with this for 4 and a half years and we want we we're ready to move on and we want to move on um because of the continuing delay of this it looks like it's trying to be delayed again we went on and and worked a deal with Mr lman and have leased the 25 acres that we hope will be conveyed to us eventually we've bought Insurance liability insurance for it we went out and spent $7,000 for a commercial lawn mower uh to to take care of this on the on the 11th of November we asked for on a Saturday we asked for volunteers from our community to come and help clear out three of the fairways so we could begin mowing we were hoping for 10 or 12 people we had 48 people show up that morning to help clear these Fairways uh they worked themselves to the bone in the in that morning and at the end of the day at the end of the morning of work their question to me was when you know when can we do this again and have a community work day and finish this job we we're ready we want to move on and we're ready to do that uh having said this and and I I had the same question that the attorney had before uh we have some concern with in the in this petition that was put up we have concerned about 37 38 and 39 paragraphs which actually prohibit us from from harvesting any of these trees uh we have to Harve have them Harvest because it's it's good forestry uh you know management and it's also makes it safer for from fire and and and such okay I'm you have I need a little more time here yeah that was that was I'll let you have some more time we we want uh we're concerned about these 38

says we we're prohibited from harvesting we we need to harvest we need to clean you know thin these things out from time to time right herrath 37 says we got to keep it mowed to thir to 8 in that's not we can't do that we we we have every intention of keeping it four most of it four four in to 5 in high but there's areas where we can't we can't mow and we have to go in with weed eaters even in the trees there's rows of trees some of them they're three foot apart we we can't get in between them we it's going to get more than 8 Ines so we need that's the reason I'm asking that for this 37 to be removed from this from this document the other thing I'm inre can't we can't you know ask for egg again but we should be able to to to ask for something to give us some relief your yes sir part of your plan is to remove some of those trees so you can mow in between right yes we will and and for us to do it as a homeowners volunteers go out there with their saw and S these things down it the companies come in and do this for you they'll they'll do it for free for the for the access to the trees and make mulch out of them or whatever but we can't have our hands tied and we've got almost 10,000 trees in this in this 25 acres short just short of that and that's it's a big job do you have a do you have a problem if it's not green belted big pardon do you have a problem with this 25 acres if it can't be green belted cuz that would mean the taxes would be higher than they are under well we're a non for-profit anyhow so it doesn't really make any differen for regarding taxes to us okay all right so that's not that's not an issue not an issue the issue is not being able to live to the codes of the county keeping it at 8 in and end up being fine like Mr lone was fine because he he didn't meet the coach we I just don't want to subject our homeowners associations to to that that put us in that position okay but we're we want to move on okay I and I encourage you to vote Yes on this uh Amendment or this petition uh but take out some of these paragraphs that hinder us from really doing what we need to do okay thank you for service and thank you for consideration to what I've asked for thank you Jack hang on for a minute Mr chairman go ahead so I I think that might be some confusion about what has to be maintained I think it's just the edge perimeter around the property not in the woods in the trees or any of that it's just the edges that's all that requirement of the 8 in is yeah so it's not in I understand that but this they want to take better care of it than just that and to do so they've got to remove like a row of trees to be able to get their MERS in and take care of and and part of the Clause that's in there it lets you do that they took away the May and now it's shall so you can do that if it helps you I want to be to allow a a company that I guess you call them tree harvesting companies let them come in and do the thinning and and and if if we if we can make money on it that's good

but I think we there cost us money there's there's like I said there's thousands of trees right and we're not we're up to mowing but we're not up to cutting down trees and doing that we we want to be allow to harvest those trees and and just so you know when your email come over I gave it to Tammy and staff and I go look at it try to like address what you wanted to do and I think they have addressed that so that you can Harvest out if you like to harvesting is not the word but to thin the trees you can do that it's in there so that that is that is okay to do that and again just the border is all the the low grass maintenance is okay um you have two more signed up I have two more signed up is this gentleman here one of them I do not know state your name and address I'm back again um I live at 13609 Woodside Drive Drive Beacon Woods East been there for 30 years um I'll make this real short everybody said have you been sworn yes I have been okay thank you um just to give you a quick background you've been around here long enough you know these names mag Magnolia Valley River Ridge Quail Hollow Quail Ridge the dunes Sea Pines Spring Hill Seven Hills Timber Oaks Forest Hills golf Harbors Pebble Creek they're gone golf courses are gone and the people that live on these communities probably don't have very many options this is an opportunity for you guys to come up with a with a a plan that a lot of people could probably follow so with that said I I am uh in favor of the proposal and uh I wish you the best Merry Christmas okay Merry Christmas all right the next individual signed up is Tim Driscoll looks like I have been sworn in okay my name is Tim Driscoll my address is 857 danburry Lane out of the back of my house I look across the Fairway and what I will say to you right now is that the trees may be a concern in going forward you know you might have flooding but I understand the trees absorb it and I also understand that Florida has tornadoes that could come by and take those trees and throw them somewhere but for trees to go down it takes a lot so personally I like the trees but what I wanted to mention is last Wednesday I sent an email to my commissioner as well as the other Commissioners and I was very very pleased in the response that I got both from Sonia Walling and Tammy Snider they gave me timely and informative information regards to what you're speaking about today and it saved me a lot of time of tracking it down and I'm not sure how that gets recognized but I was very impressed by the professionalism and information that I received from those folks remind me being in the private sector frankly all right so I wanted to share that with you and and I did just want to note that in what I received from the attorney they didn't have the PDD number they had an RZ number and you folks use the PDD number in in regards to your agenders

not this rsz number and all I would request is that maybe going forward that you get a notification from an attorney that it includes the PDD number as well um in regards to what you're speaking about today as Jack has said this has going on for years and years and years there's a solution that that has been presented and if there's a way in which this can be figured out and people can move on with their lives I would say go ahead and do it and that's what I would ask you to take a look at unfortunately the developer is stuck because the the developer is being put in a position of where the owner is saying you get this and we'll give you that that's not the developer issue the developer issue is doing what exactly what they did which was to come to you and present their plan thank you very much thank you we have another gentleman W to speak everyone that was signed up has spoken okay my name is Jeff M yes I have been sworn in my address is 8311 Danbury Lane Hudson um I bought my property in' 08 on the golf course wanting to live on the golf course and retire I lived on a golf course for 30 years in Iowa where I came from and I like the peace and qu ility of it play the sport my daughter's good at it and a month I moved down here full-time in what 19 middle of 19 and found out that they're closing the golf course Matt LOM was closing the golf course and that was kind of a kicking for my retirement or because it's my peace and quiet I'm right at behind I don't if you're familiar with playing the links I'm right behind green number one tea off box number too and so it's closed it was kind of a bummer then Here Comes Matt lman in plants all these trees and okay we're going to have a tree farm and back to uh the discussion is it is it uh egg or is it conservative okay so the state came in and planted 30,000 trees what did Mr lman pay in taxes did he pay agriculture or conservative how did he pay last last time's taxes or whatever where he's at where I come from if you put something in in a tree farm you can't touch it for 10 years and that's I don't know Florida law I'm not an attorney or anything but it's just I'm right at where now I'm going to have a road in my backyard I used to have peace and quiet in my backyard or my front yard I have a road in my front yard and now in my backyard I'm going to have a road from well there's two roads exting these 214 or 18 houses that's going to be built there it's going to be a mess there's traffic now I'm going to have two pawns or three that are within 200 yards of my house I might as well throw away my bird feeder and get a bug zapper because it's it's silly you're talking about Green Space why are we turning down 120 Acres of Forestry where animals insects bugs trees Birds whatever live to this um I understand progress but it's just uh yeah I don't know um were you were you a member of the golf course no I was not well that's I think that's kind of the buyer beware if you join a golf club

that I if you Jo if ex I moved down here in 2008 or I bought the property in 2008 I retired and then I moved down here was I a member it it it closed when I moved down here fulltime so no I was not a m the ones that I've seen that have been able to maintain their golf courses for the most part are the ones where the O the homeowners are have membership or are required to um be owners of the golf course the golf course no I mean I didn't I don't most of the other ones that's why they you know that's why they failed unless they're really high-end well clubs well that was we're we're here today with the situation where you guys want to put in 214 houses and only two streets that come on to Hudson Avenue so that's going to be a traffic issue and now I have you say we're going to have a green space park or whatever what do I have to climb the fence or walk a mile and a half to go around to get to that Park I mean for being right there I mean I don't get it some plastic cheesy fence that like behind uh bay at Point Hospital they tore all that ground out what two years ago and here it sits blank you know flat nothing so I just uh I don't know what to say I'm just it's it's discouraging my value of my house is going to go down market value I came here to retire and I don't you guys probably already have your minds made up and and Deals made with Matt and whatever so I just wanted to speak my two cents worth and uh yeah I don't know well we're hearing you thank you for your time all right thank you all right is anyone else going to speak to this item after this lady if you are uh if you are come up and line up behind her okay so if anyone else is going to speak that has not been sworn please please stand and raise your right hand do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give is the true so help you God yes okay thank you I'm b solerno a a 34 theow place I am also uh the treasurer of HOA and Friend of of Jack there I know you have a concerned about the drainage and I understand that the property that we are that we the gifted property that we wanted to take over is not under Swift mode however I was also concerned about the drainage so I contacted Mike Penn of the Florida service department and he was in my house and we went together in the golf cart and we toured the whole area of the area that we are concerned about and he said it was the trees were more of a help than they were a hindrance and especially in the low loing areas but the storm water drains which I'm very close to one them and he said no he said that that is not a problem the more of the help so I just thought that was important information so because I was concerned about that also y Roots roots are good for rainwater thank you my name is Rich Parks I live at 13905 tloop Hudson Florida been sworn he was yes he was okay when I first moved down here it was a golf course after the golf course closed it started growing weeds and stuff in there and I decided

to to mow that lawn I spent $5,000 on a lawnmower I've been mowing part of one two and one three and four for the last three and a half years and if we take this thing over I've already decided to become the committee chairman for taking care of all the maintenance I asked for volunteers I got 15 people that want to cut the grass out there I think that's remarkable and if I think if we blow this deal I know for sure it's going to be terrible because they're going to make that Hudson a commercial it's going to be all kinds of businesses and stuff you got to get I mean we are going to lose a great thing where are we going to get all this property for free I just it's a Nob brainer let's work it out get it done thank you thank you there's no one else signed up so nobody else signed up no sir okay okay so do we have to have a do we have to have a motion to send it back to the Planning Commission yes can we have more discussion please no they're saying by law we have to I was trying to find a way to not send it back but we have to right Barbara I mean we can't find a resolution today you can't talk from the audience please you have something to say yes Mr chairman so I was I was trying to find pictures from that that I took from a storm event that just showed all the water that goes in to those those ponds that are there and again they're not ponds but when it rains they fill up that's how it's designed to go all the way through and all I'm looking at is the pine trees that are in there and frankly I don't mind if we come back in later on through a tree mitigation fund and put other trees that are more acceptable in a low-lying area cypress trees whatever it may be we don't have anything to do with those trees that's their they're their trees why would we do anything there all right so the mpud that's going on has stormw ponds the way it was designed the reason he's not building on all this golf course that he's giving away because there's not enough room they're all designed so narrow so tight that you can't build if you out there you see it for a golf year now have have you ever played it anyway so I don't have the pictures but if you look at right here this is a picture of a tree at just at down in Fort Myers as far as there's a trench that's there you got a big oak tree those things are all over the place doesn't matter why are you fighting What the residents and the developer and everyone wants because I'm worried in 2030 years that's their worry that's not our worry they can cut them down if they want I don't know why you're why you're getting all wrapped up in that because in 203 years what tree falls down would you let me finish and I'll tell you I have to leave at 5:30 I have a daughter who's having her job replaced so I I'm I'm going to have to get up and go here for the inconen I'm sorry for the inconvenience only 5 years I've been working on it too and thank you for a

complimenting my assistant Sonia because she's been involved with it looking at this every step of the way and Colleen was out there the first night then we had a meeting out there everything shut down so I appreciate the trees the trees are great in the low areas I'm worried of when they grow they're going to topple over a storm like this and then who's going to have to pay for it who's going to have to take a tree down who's going to move the tree around does it become a forest Hazard that's my concern and if if we got from a we if we've got to remand this anyway what I suggest we do is add the condition in let's have Swift Mud the county staff go look at is it safe for long term to have the pine trees where they're put got to go back anyway no speaking from the audience I I just want to call the question what's the Parliamentary procedure because we've this is going to come back to us a motion yet so well call question we got a motion in a second how do it's is it endless debate I mean the only way this is coming back to us after it goes to the Planning Commission if they wish to add agriculture as a use to this project it has to go back to the Planning Commission and it's got to be read vertis for that particular use the appropriate Motion in that case would be to remand it to the Planning Commission for further review okay so what's The Pledge of the board so either so if we don't send it back to the Planning Commission their whole deal may fall apart because Mr lman is not going to be party to a deal where he gets something back and what's he supposed to do with it so um unless we agree we're not going to go after him over any a issues com forward barara I don't understand why we can't just say that here now but you say we didn't advertise it for that yeah Commissioners is the applicants requesting a remand to the Planning Commission we have to I've went over every scenario I appreciate the support I'd love for it to be done today um I you've heard the resident speak so I think you'd be ready to vote but I as the applicant need to ask for a remand I than so that was frustrating okay looking for a motion um when you remand I want to fix that mowing requirement to yes move to remand with a full discussion about the Mowing and storm water issues and the trees in the trees and possibly green Bel or not green Bel no that's not your call that's not our Pro okay that's not our call okay motion the floor okay got a motion on the floor second and a second all those in favor I I I oppos like sign 40 it pass to be May back to the plan commission Mr chairman okay I have one housekeeping item Miss Snyder handed out um and something on the day but she did not mention it so I just want to make certain that this is okay to include in the record oh so we need a a motion to receive and file move to receive and file second all in favor say I yeah see all right we got one more

item we have the starky cell tower yeah I don't I don't understand that's that's how they get their concerns fixed the residents R 66 that's how the deal is R 66 my Jack is fighting well it fixes their concerns yeah I don't think they understand that gracious let me look at my calendar maybe Tam's it's it's because of a legal issue okay yeah they never asked for hopefully there's no one here go I have to leave so I'm going to get a call here in a second so this is r66 this is the Le okay I have I got to have three members sitting here you do okay he's coming back you've got got three okay want me to go chairman yes okay Andrew bter Facilities Management Department this is the lease for the cell tower at starky Ranch and uh let me bring you up the speed on where we are so this is related to the P4 agreement on uh that we brought earlier this year that the school district has already approved uh what was going to be a agreement um with a different carrier or a different provider we went through several steps to get to that everything that's highlighted in green were the steps that were completed previously we are now at this yellow step for make a decision on this new uh solicitation based on this alternative site to relocate it at the park oh this isn't the hearing the previous location would have uh allowed the the sighting to be at approximately 625 ft um from the school and the previous lease would have been with vertex the just highlight the rent would have been $1,950 per month with the 2% increase or $600 a month per sublease by going out and relocating this we are now um 2,348 ft from the nearest school building and 1,400 ft from the nearest housing location so we're much further away from the school we're 3.75 times further away than previous okay and uh this is we will be locating it basically in the maintenance yard of the uh of the uh starky um park there and uh and uh this is where it's going to be located we have uh just kind of it's basically a 20 foot sliver that we were able to utilize within the maintenance yard there and by going out this uh with wireless Edge uh they were able to provide uh better rates same term 27e lease for additional five fiveyear options um but the rent now is uh $2,251 per month with a 2.5% annual increase and $1,000 per month for per sublease plus a bonus of $35,000 for each sublease after the first sublease so is that to the county that's to that that will be to the P4 shared use we share with school right yep okay so with that that's uh where we are with the new lease and we recommend approval anybody sign up there is no one signed up for this this is not a public item it's just regular oh yeah thank you oh yeah we went back to regular excuse me uh move approval and uh but which which design are we doing we're doing a monopole um

which will be uh just it'll be it's a stealth pole is what we we've done none of the antennas will be on the outside it'll just be aing see before they were saying they couldn't but some of those companies say they have new technology and they can put them in a stealth pole so we've approved some without and they said no no it has to be on the outside it heats up but I've been done some research and they see don't let okay staff we're not going to do those other ones anymore where the arrays are on the outside so good job thank you move approval all right second discussion okay I got a motion second and a discussion yeah it's uh great to see that no one's here compared to what we had before and we had 1,600 signatures so yeah uh I give staff credit and the providers credit for working with us uh to me was should have been a lot quicker and easier but at least well the provider lost the contract yeah yeah we did we got a better deal than the school district got a better deal sorry for that provider for not listening earlier could have been better for him but uh but all good the location I think is is as as one of the residents said as good as we're going to get so they're at peace with it we I'm a piece with it okay yeah I've got not one email of complaint or anything good job commissioner starky yeah yeah so I got a motion a second all those in favor say I I all opposed like sign motion pass 4 Z thank you appreciate all the staff and the County Attorney off that ends that part of the meeting but then we have uh commissioner our old business I W I thank you chair I I use my live local time earlier today all right well I I have I have a list because I didn't go last time so um first um and I think Jack has brought this up before I was at well do you have a photo thing for me I don't know what maybe I'll go by the photo order well while you're teeing that up um I learned this when there is a court ordered eviction the property owner is putting their belongings and trash in the right of way um they're being instructed to do this and then Code Compliance gets called called for a for trash and then Public Works has to come and clean it up so um this is being paid for by the taxpayers I don't have a photo of this um but we need to have some kind of procedure that is when there is an eviction the cost goes on the property owner and not on the on the county to clean up whatever their tenant has left behind all right um why wouldn't it be illegal dumping why wouldn't why wouldn't we go after them for under a violation of section 403 ask our code people we we go and have Public Works go clean it up so I have a lot of experience with this a lot not in Pasco uh I'll say in Northeast Florida and uh During certain months uh movein and move outs with renters people can't afford to pay the rents landlord evx them and it's full households of people's belongings at the curb and there's this constant Battle of who who

picks it up who pays for it do a holler eat the cost is there funds grant funding out there to pay for it and the solution to that was with these these rentals and these move in and moves out the onus of that needs to be on the landlord yeah and that landlord can factor that potential risk into their rates and into their deposits and that's the easiest and cleanest solution and you know how to come after them to get it cleaned up so that's so we need to fix ours done okay um commissioner W can you can you m chairman if I could so can you send us what those other areas have done yes so that's up in city of Jacksonville that it's all waste uh that was an easy one are yall done uh no um okay uh I'll go on to the second one um so we had a an incident at one of our parks where a child was I think was that starky actually a child was kicked in the chest with a ball you know a ball hit them and they had a heart stoppage uh and there was there there was no access to the AED so uh we need to be looking at what's going on at our parks with AED and most of our Parks do have aeds at their concession areas but um in this particular instance you know we'll we'll continue to look in and make sure that we were getting them there at all parks I think it's also just a matter of knowing where they are yeah making sure they're accessible if there isn't a Park employee there and I don't I don't know you know that's scary because then you could have vandals doing something but I don't know I don't know how that works but parents have come to me about that um so this was your rotary you weren't you weren't there that day but um the um the Newport Richie rotary Rotary Club has gone all in on our International Economic Development efforts and just our International relationships and um up here on the left is the CEO of mopta and why do I always forget his name um he's the mopta is a Czechoslovakian company but he's German and his name is escaping me right now and he's part of my International Economic Development Council here in the county and um he went to gamine which if you remember they're our sister city county um or friendship County or whatever and I visited their rotary and their rotary came and visited the Newport Richie rotary a couple weeks ago and we have two students who have come from gersheim and are interning in the county and one of those gentlemen is at our animal facilities and the other one actually is interning with with him at mopta and uh we um we want to continue this opportunity and strengthen it River Ridge used to send German students over to um to gersheim and gersheim sent students here but River Ridge has discontinued their German program so there are there is no German program anymore in the county but new Newport Richie rotary is picking up on this so um we I just they invited me to the presentation presentation I think it's wonderful and I think we should keep up

these International relationships and build more and send and we're going to send some of our students over there and they're going to work uh in in the businesses in gersheim and they're going to send more here so we're going to hear more about that is it Reinhardt yeah Reinhardt Reinhardt so okay what's next and commissioner St I'm a big fan of that yeah to go yeah we need we need to expand that to other places um so I was just at the no board of directors meeting in um Minneapolis uh and um I know I was sending Mike and David Ango lots of pictures from the different um meetings that I attended uh we did a field trip to 3M and um which was is an amazing company I had no idea um Minnesota Mining and uh manufacturing that's what 3M stands for um they have well they used a lot of their arpa money and they they're doing a lot of pilot programs for youngsters getting them career-minded and um brooking's Institute actually has partnered with them and they have a permanent they have someone there for a couple years from Brookings working on them with this um I have a lot more of these slides but they have really taken kind of what we've done with our utility program with enam skills where we do the boot camp and then the the students go and work for a number of weeks in the summer and get paid they've kind of blown that up into all the different departments so I have some information on that and um I'll be meeting with staff on you know how we can work with our youth um and get them to be looking at what it's like to have these Municipal County jobs and help um train our Workforce and they also have something called the um uh I know it's driver Academy and apparently in our high schools that kids don't take driver ated anymore it's online yeah it's online I don't know how you learn to drive a car online um but in in henin County this County they decided that's one of the big biggest impediment to some of their youth getting good jobs was no access to a driver's license or and so they've come up with this D driver's license Academy and partnered with um it's kind of a public private partnership and I'm gonna I'm going to bring that to to you guys too and they they've been getting students and and they use a County car to take the driver's license test and they get their driver's license and then they can go get jobs where they can drive or and maybe they're driving the company car so it's helped a lot of kids get um get cars okay what else do I have in there is that it okay okay that's so that's that's what I did on the I already did the mpud one that I wanted to do um yeah so that's it for me I guess oh no freebie I want to continue this discussion of these micr Transit programs that are out there and this I got I picked these up at the fact meeting um and the more and more counties and cities across the state are doing these

microtransit um programs we started it with David Engel then the guy who was running our Transit killed his program when we could have had a a grant from Ford and um took it and never did anything with it so I really really want us to be looking at um you can see some of the logos on on the back here pass those down uh but what it is is in a certain geographical area for free you just have the app you just call up the card and it'll come and take you anywhere within that geographical area and it I think they said it cost $35 an hour so what that can do for families uh and and kids needing to get somewhere is tremendous and it's a a really good service and I want to yeah continue that one you done yep I am now done that's a good thing because we getting closer to 5:30 yeah um 27 minutes the rest of them still got to go you got I may or may not be here to listen to her okay requires votes we need at least have three here okay you some confidence on you Ariana yeah she's got some pictures want he's pulling up a video a video oh wait I I got to set this wa a minute I have this this is at Lake Lisa Park oh this the ground breaking this is this is this is no it's after the ground breaking this is with oh yeah you sit down see what [Music] on oh [Music] wow this is like the one we did at w W CH yeah we used we you know I helped put one in in Newport Richie but they took it out at the uh Sims park with all children it used to be different one what it's like to be in a earthquake [Music] earthquake yeah that's awesome that's good [Music] El yay she likes it though want more you see your child more and there aren't very many options if you don't have this kind of equipment there's like zero yep we had those swings at Sim's how you doing boo Mar would tell the story when she did the groundbreaking that she would always sit in the chair and just watch everyone else play and not get to play herself yeah so what that did for her and that family is going to be great all the families around so right I think I think if Marcy comes in with a few more of these projects you're going to know why yeah so look for them yeah okay y got a couple more pitches we had open we did the opening of the senior games I'm not sure what's coming up next oh that's just Hudson Beach that was another option which you could use for $2 million but we're going to Grants for maybe we'll get a grant so this sign that was in my uh office for six months so they put it up the other day on fdot so thank you fdot to working with us uh to

getting that done oh is that why fdot was in my parking space yeah they said they were picking up a sign so as so as much as I thought I would have now room in my office I think you all saw what Colleen did with all the rum cakes so yeah I don't quite have to my my space back um this is a project uh we've all seen it asphalt paving systems as spray ja technology uh we've seen results on it do is working on it branford's working with DOT right now um in the bid that we put out we have an extra we have a line in there for Emulsion and that's the only extra charge there is to do the Bruce be Downs project that's a mile long I really want you guys to hear me it's a mile long six Lanes the only extra cost is $9,200 now pitcher you're going to get a attack that goes down without trucks driving over it when the seams go to connect these Lanes together they get sealed as well so for $900 secretary dot I think Justin told me they're willing to go give it a trial run to see how this works we've done the numbers our coefficients are worked um to show that it works as a better better Bond so I don't know Branford if you need a motion as I told you I was going to bring this forward to the board to spend the $9,200 okay so I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to put a motion that we use on the Bruce be Downs project um to use the extra emultion at 90 up to 10 grand I'll just say because I think it's 92 or 94 uh to do that technology on that project second okay got a motion in a second all those in favor say hi hi thank you all very much and I hope hope we'll get a chance to see it's done thank you can I get Florida Senior Games open sorry I was going to ask for some clarification this is an FD job and we're contributing $110,000 to this or I think it's ours this is this is ours ours we're going to do it in December we pushed it to January so now they can get it down in time okay all right so we did the Florida Senior Games opening at the Sarah Sarah vanderberg Tennis Center great turnout um we had a great kickoff the weather was perfect there's a nice picture of all the people there we even had the Secretary of Elder Affairs come down and Marie wince you see she's there as well and some of our parant and then Todd vanderberg there and Steve Simon as well Adam Thomas was there on his team but uh did a great job kicking off and it's rolling right now you know what the number one sport is for us pickle ball pickle ball Big Time pickle balls yeah and what I found out was one lady that was there came up to me afterward he goes you know you're just the person I want to talk to because we don't do senior games here like they do in penis County and all over the state we need to do our own Senior Games going through so I want to get parks and wck to work with the tourism to kind of go through it and uh see if we can make those games happen

and I'm happy to work work with them on that all right uh that was Town and Country Villas just kind of show you those those are just so you know those are on the left side of the screen to clarify for you the seven homes that are on the left side those are all built raised up the properties to the side they're in the blue that are all contiguous Parts Etc and side by side when you raise those properties up you can only go so high depending on what's next to it if you get more properties beside it you can do more so depending on what comes in um I think the next next slide is going to show you to the other side of uh V now the gentleman of the company that bought all these other land properties together here he's got a much better PL chance where he's got eight properties nine properties Al together to raise them up even higher and have them pitch a little bit so I'm going to say that I would love to see staff go take a look at the dirt we had at timberoaks we brought down there cut the cost down and start looking at okay where can we go put this do we want to go put this I think everybody would accept it but that dirt that we used in the first seven lots that are over there especially the through in the back side of endur they couldn't build until we put that fill in same thing's going to happen with these here and the cheaper we make it the better uh especially cutting our cost down and they may even be to use that fill if they're going to raise those sewer lines up as said all all down Leisure line andent during as they're running the water and sewer could save us a whole bunch of money but those properties I see in red is that the ones you're going to raise the Lots those are the ones that we used to own H habitat wanted to give us back to us and now this company called KRA Kya uh I don't know who they are we looked at them a little bit but I don't know who they are yet but they bought those properties there so they're going to do something it may be good for them to even like take a bigger hand in all those those other properties they're above those you know red squares are they going to be lower than these properties here they well they're all pretty much right now they're all they're all the same level but any anyone that puts a gets a building permit for a house on there has to have it raised to the new FEMA flood levels yeah when they when they build up yes those those are vacant Lots right now yeah right okay so they're all vacant Lots all been those those others got houses on them they have houses on have they already been raised up no they haven't if you raise these others up that's going to create a problem that's what I'm saying this is like a comprehensive plan we need to put the whole thing through that's why I was trying to get that done get go yeah so again I think we should go take a look if we could Mike let's go study what the timber Oaks project was there's areas where they were able to take fill I think it's on record okay

and then we can just be ready to like how much quantity we think is there because as they were going to sell that dirt it was supposed to drive their cost down the market at that time it didn't let them sell all the dirt so they just covered it over so there's good quality dirt that we could use wow that was good to have dirt all right is that all you have is that all you have okay all right that's all you got so let me just say one thing so I was trying to like that last hearing with the lengths again I I'm hearing changes I'm seeing changes and then I'm trying to like get answers and I wasn't getting them today right so what I found out as I was walking to the back I was telling I was going to talk to lady at the Fairway Oaks that I want to get the board as quick as possible they get a meeting coming up on Tuesday where they elect the new board members but I want to get with them get with the people to go find out what's you know what the issue is because I think if they're willing to cut the trees out and if that was their holdup which I think it was but I don't know um I think we can put this thing forward in a good way for everybody so I'm going to meet with them as quick as I can I think it's Tuesday they're going to go so I'll go after the board meetting we'll talk and this way here I'll have all the people there too so we can talk about it but the developer told me at the back of the room he's willing to take him out so there's no issue so I'll try to meet with the others too talk it through maybe if I could get the storm water crew Roy let's go out there I want to go out there with them let's go look at it talk about it I'll find those pictures that I have taken before because I've taken several times but we'll go out there let's go look at it talk about it and then we can talk to the people and again if it means frankly that we got to take those trees out but want to go put in like a cypress tree or something else which is better which will soak up and stay in a long-term Affair that may be a better way to go okay all right but thank you all all right Mr cabala thank you sir I'll be brief here uh we are close to finalizing the documents on fire station number 17 uh however to ensure that addition delays aren't incurred due to our board meeting schedules I am requesting that the board delegate authority to the County Administrator to execute all necessary documents with County Attorney office review and concurrence of course uh to resume construction so specifically I am requesting a motion to delegate authority to the County Administrator to negotiate and sign a tender and release agreement with the previous contractor's Bonding Company Atlantic specialty insurance company to include payment to the county of the additional money needed for the completion of the station of approximately $2 million and a and a release of County claims against the bonding company including against the performance bond and to delegate

authority to the County Administrator to sign a standard County Construction agreement with Blackwater Construction Services LLC with special terms as needed to complete the construction of fire station 17 in the amount not to exceed $4 million so mov Mr White this could be fun cine second he's causing a he's causing a problem down here all right I got a motion second I got a motion in a second all those in favor say I's eyes got that big motion motion passed it's okay they're having a good time I think Mr Baxter's eyes were lighting up bigger than mine commissioner I'm good sir thank you okay Mr ster I don't have anything for you thank you you got to start doing more okay you could have brought us any kind of project right now so I'd like to have a litigation assessment meeting for January I have I have one quick item um David which stands for the driver and vehicle information database um um is administr administered by dhsmv um users are granted access to use the system through anou um and thatou requires an attestation statement from the Inspector General every 3 years to ensure compliance with the mou um the attestation has been filed it's was on this agenda as noted item 108 but in summary just so uh the board is aware improvements to internal controls were needed um but the storm water team made the needed Corrections and enacted measures to prevent reoccurrence and um that is all I have okay thank you um well you see one item I got right here in front of us on on the camera there so that item is the uh we C celebrated the groundbreaking of Hercules Park construction to um expect to take about a year so in December 24 we will see the end of that and I have a ribbon cutting it's going to be a splash park and park benches and things of this nature tables and all where people can come and enjoy sits right in behind cover and right up next to the property that's uh Woodland Elementary so but it's going to be a very nice park for the for the city of Zephyr Hills um another thing I had mentioned to y'all before Jim McBride had retired from the VAB and so if you have anyone that for the value adjustment board please reach out to my office and let me know so we can uh fill that position um now I need I'm needing and I don't know that I if I need it from the BC or if I need it from the no but I need a letter written um to support the uh appropriation project to widen us41 north of 52 thank you to the county line and uh I've been asked that by uh Mr Edwards Edward um bricks BR yeah he had asked me for a letter I can do it under the board I say do for the board and we'll bring it to the m as well I we

do both okay all right so I need a motion I got a motion Mo second and a second all those in favor say I motion passed all right next is uh uh I went to Woodland um on November 15th I participated in the All-American teach in I had 10 classes that day one of them was a little above my capabilities because it was prek so they're tough that pre is tough but my daughter teaches that class so I had to go there but then I went into the um the uh Library System area there for the School Woodland and they brought three classes in three different times they had nine classes that I spoke to that day so thank goodness for some of the teachers there because they uh asked some of the questions that kids of 9 10 11 and 12 don't seem to ask so turned out pretty good and uh a good time with those kids let's see that all right then uh Saturday we had a great time at the zephos Festival of Lights prayed that's this past Saturday uh last from 7 I think I got got home about 10:00 at night so it was a a parade now Jack you've been a parade there before hav you in zrey Hills this parade started like normal went on down and where they turned right to go back up by the court the courthouse the city courthouse there when you turn there was gosh I don't know how deep they were there were probably um 10 yards on both sides of the road and even after the turn it carried another two or three blocks of people on both sides of the road used to there' only be a few of them after you make that turn there wouldn't be but a few there but tremendous outcome of people looking for good things and happy things to to do here in the county so I think uh if you can reach reach out to some of these parades and all during Christmas is a good thing so I think citizens uh look forward to seeing you out there yeah um I would say we need to get with the people that run that parade as well as Chasco and the Christmas parade because I think there's a need for more barricades with more people here more expansion Angel cook had to go down Zio had more barricades yeah okay I'm I'm just saying they did they had to so right so I know they had to borrow I think 800 from the city of Tampa yeah and it was they had to get them loaded to get them up here they got them unloaded by the uh ja jail folks the goodies mhm but I think it's probably time that we look at TDC again to go we got to go buy some more I think the city new Richie is actually willing to store them for this side and if we get to summon to store for the other side it's a little tricky because I guess you know it's it's didn't always happen sometimes most of the time it desk it does they schedule the same day

for the parade for the Christmas right it'd be good if we could maybe persuade them to shift it well I can I can tell you today I don't know where else they have but uh Dade City on their parade is on Friday and then the uh Christmas stroll is on Saturday so I believe they're having a parade both times so I heard there was a conflict but I guess it wasn't I didn't frankly get words on either one of them so yeah you might could reach out to Troy he's going to have a truck in there so yep yep yeah Mr chairman just one one something well one housekeeping matter cuz it don't on me that this happens every year okay your the chair's appointments will be the same as the outgoing chair's appointments until you get to do them in January okay I'm prepared because we've had issues where in there's a meeting in the end of December and everybody's going well I don't know whether I'm supposed to go or not I just I just want to make sure that yeah Comm Mariano's appointments stay until you replace them oh yes right in Jan they all stay until I replace them and I will replace them U earlier rather than later so okay okay all right with that any other any other news bless you all right adjourned merry Christmas everybody [Music]