11.14.23 Pasco Board of County Commissioners Meeting (Afternoon Session)

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he [Music] we're going to resume the November 14th 2023 County Commission meeting the private attorney client meeting to discuss litigation strategy in the case of re aquous film forming foam's product liability litigation US District Court of South Carolina Charleston division mdl number 2 colon 18- mn- 2873 has concluded Mr chairman based on the on the litigation assessment meeting that you've had um I would like to get the board um to approve sorry to approve um the actions recommended by outside Council I've provided you a motion okay commissioner waitman thank you chair I move that Pasco County approves the pro I move that Pasco County approves the proceeding with the settlement agreements with Dupont and entities related to DuPont and 3M hereby authorize and instructs retained legal counsel to not opt out of either set and take and to take all necessary steps for Pasco County to participate in claims to participate in the claims process associated with each settlement delegate to the County Administrator and the County Attorney the ability to sign documents necessary to participate in these settlements second and roll call vote please district one commissioner Oakley hi District Two commissioner waitman I District three commissioner starky hi District Four commissioner Bradford did he vote he wasn't in the meeting District Five chairman Marano all okay now time for public hearings we're going to go item p88 item p88 was published um by affidavits of certified mailings and site postings good afternoon Mr chair Commissioners Denise Hernandez Planning and Development item p88 is PDD 24005 the it item has been withdrawn by the applicant so there's no further action required today okay thank you and P89 item P89 was published in Tampa Times on October 4th 2023 item P89 is PDD 2434 this item is being requested to be continued to a date uncertain we have a motion Mo approve second U move move the continuance move the continuance to date uncertain second uh discussion real quick I mean we are going to keep working on this right absolutely yes we are going to keep working on that we just had um uh separate meetings with individual local planning agency members so we will be working moving forward with it and that's a roll call vote district one commissioner Oakley hi District Two commissioner waitman hi District three commissioner starky hi District Four commissioner Bradford I District Five chairman Mariano I next item go to P90 um Mr chairman you want to you want to skip over P90 and bring that up with the rezoning move it together with the rezoning later after you get done the

comp ordinances okay good idea all right go to p91 thank you item P99 91 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on July 9th good okay on July 19th 2023 and by Affidavit of certified mailings and site post item p91 is PDD 2466 today we're asking that you approve this item by roll call vote it was transmitted to the Department of um of Commerce on 95 of 23 it's an ordinance amending the Pasco County comprehensive plan providing for a large scale comprehensive plan Amendment to the Future land use map sub area maps map 2-9 and 2-9 sub 26 resending the overpass at I75 Subara in its entirety of approximately 16.8 Acres generally located north of overpass Road into the east and west of Interstate I75 providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for repealer severability and an effective date again we ask that you adopt this by roll call vote okay any questions for staff this is a public hearing is anyone here to speak to this item Mr chair I do not have anyone signed up for this item and no one on WebEx for this item move approval second uh roll call vote district one commissioner Oakley I District Two commissioner waitman I District three commissioner starky I District Four commissioner Bradford District Five chairman Mariano I p92 item p92 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on August 2nd 2023 and by Affidavit of certified mailings and site postings p92 is PDD 242 2 6 today we just ask that you take public comment um this is the transmittal hearing so you're asking we're asking that you um direct staff to transmit to the Department of Commerce and other reviewing agencies this was presented to the Pasad Hills planning and policy committee on 816 of 23 the local planning agency who found it consistent with a comprehensive plan and except for adoption um on 1 19 of 24 at 1:30 in dat City it's an ordinance amending the Pasco County comprehensive plan providing for text amendments and table revisions for The Villages of Pasadena Hills the op comprehensive plan flu six allow increase of land area and village Village cores of villages B and C increase maximum residential conversions and add conditions to transfer unused entities to Village cores and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for repealer severability and an effective date okay do we want a presentation or any questions for staff how long is the presentation oh how long's your presentation um it is my colleague Gavin kovi um probably just about 5 minutes or so I I would like to see it okay great thank you good afternoon Gavin Kobi planning and development so this is item PDD 2426 The Village B and C text

Amendment and so we're proposing to change three things to the vop comprehensive plan so the first thing we're doing is increasing the land area of Village centers in just Villages B andc the second thing we're doing is we going to increase the allowable conversions of residential entitlements to Commercial and Retail otomies and the third thing is we're adding an additional policy for unused densities in the edge District to be transferred to the core so here's the village prototype for you as you can see in the center with the red is going to be the commercial and Retail uses surrounding that is the brown which is going to be the high density residential which is 10 dwelling in per acre and then around that five dwelling per acre and then the outer edge which will be two dwelling in per acre so like I I mentioned before we're increasing the amount of land dedicated to both the brown area and the red area in Bop and we're going to be increasing it just by 10% so here's our current Village B master plan that we have with this new proposal this is what we would be allowed to have um as you can see the higher density goes south and north as opposed to this previous one oh I'm so sorry which was just uh to the north so the second thing that we're doing is we're allowing the residential conversions and so I've done uh just a couple sample ones for us here so if you convert 20% of the residential units you can increase uh your commercial ements by 36,000 637 in the village B if you convert it just to office you can add an additional 880,000 is for office uses and then if you do a 50-50 split you can do um add an additional 18,000 ft of commercial and then another 40,000 of office and so last thing we're doing is we're adding that unused density transfer policy um and so this is to allow for unused densities from the neighborhood Edge and neighborhood general area to be transferred into the village uh Center uh the transfer units May exceed the 10 dwelling in per acre in the village core uh units may be converted to non-residential intements and be used in the Village Center which is subject to the comprehensive plan policies owner must produce signed record document with the intent to transfer the density and cannot exceed the approved entitlement for the MP Mudd and the transfer must be within the same Village or within the same uh Mudd if across multiple Villages so here are the three uh comprehensive plan policies that that support it and then this comes with a recommendation of approval or with transmittal to the Department of Commerce and other reviewing agencies would you uh commission Sharky can you go back on slide please yeah absolutely overall design principles and land using form and Village characteristics I think these are really important to make a quality place I'm just adamant that we

we're not getting strip malls absolutely and um and that it's a you know I'm all for density in the downtown core but but it needs to be you know some vertical density and not just a a public surrounded by a lot of apartments I mean that's that is just not what we should be doing so what what requirements do we have in here so there's none um that are necessarily going to get in this proposal that will be promoting that but overall VP has a you know the intent is to provide those Village centers and stuff like that in the comprehensive plan um I will say VP does lack in some of the regulatory stuff to promote um like an LDC that would promote those design standards but a lot of that happens within the mpud negotiations and stuff like that well I just want that to be happening in the mpud negotiations I mean this just shouldn't be another repeat of what's going on State Road 54 and some other places where I think we kind of lost our way a little bit in my opinion and not building anything that's memorable Mr w f if you go back Gavin you have a what we talked about yeah earlier the big one is that the original or the new this is the proposed one go to the original got the original so vop has been being planned for the last two decades essentially a long time yeah I'm concerned with the level of planning that's gone into this overall project I'm talking big picture here that we are I we need to come to a consensus and take a look at the overall vop plan in my opinion in the village course because we have already made decisions that aren't in line with the original plan and that's the plan with the public that's on that's online around the village Corp and the item today continues to go against the plan that's been established and been studied for the last couple of decades and I'm not I'm not opposed to shifting where we need to shift to make make make it work make it healthy but I don't want to set precedent that we're going to run fast and loose over this project uh as it starts to come online we have an opportunity to build something very unique to Pasco County it's got beautiful topography and can create a fantastic place for folks to live and raise their family and work and so on so I guess my my question to the board is when you look at what's proposed and what's been planned for a long long time and then what the new the modified proposal is I think we need to set a direction or understand where where we want to go and do how how rigid do we want to be in discipline on these Village cores because we're going to start approving potentially products today that aren't in line with the plan and it modifies each the village in my opinion extensively and precedent already been set this board made a decision few months back and um now I've

realized what the decision we made and what that precedent was I may have managed my vote differ what can you be more specific well look at the brown you have a laser pointer I think so so explain the densities in the core when you when you get out like we we and how we what the vote was on the mccab mpud for for example G yeah oh sorry so I don't remember exactly what happened with M because I wasn't the exact planner but just to give context um that U aave mutd was approved for 10 dwelling news per acre in what's on it it was it's 10 dwelling news per acre but we approved multi family towns and a little piece of residential on there and during that board meeting you know there was back and forth going on but ultimately what was approved was not what's identified in this vop Village Corp plan so we're moving we're we're we're what's been happening is we're we're shifting what's what's going on there and you move to the South with a with a very unique project that we're going to hear about today which is really an interesting project and the heartburn for me isn't necessarily about the project it's about does it fit in the plan that we're supposed to be following and all the investment that's been made to what makes up the villages and the village centers so if we're going to I think if we're going to start making these decisions we need to take a broader look at vop in the course to to make a a policy decision on do we want to modify the village cores a bit to make them differently but to go in and just peace mill again again like you talked about commissioner starky we've seen some of the come to fres in some of the decisions that have been made we have an opportunity right now to not make that mistake again and so I just like to get feedback and staff and we've talked extensively on this I don't want to see the value of this project erode away we can we can have something really quality here and something uniquely special for Pasco County yeah and just so I can chime in between you miss starky and youth um it kind of just seems like we should do a big comprehensive up to vop at this time it kind of needs it it hasn't been touched comprehensively it's been PEC mailed uh for the last few years so maybe we look at that and and try to figure out what we can put in and make this a better point my my anst is that we took out what I thought was the the rules that made it very special and that was all the tnd D requirements um but we have a developer Mr G Gavin Galvin Galvin yes correct who's putting his back back in so I think his his area is going to have higher values than any of the other areas um CU that's what happens in those kind of communities so uh I'm not against the density near the downtown The Village centers cuz think you need those as long as we make sure that the people can walk and ride their bikes or whatever to there to make them successful areas where people will as I like to tell people who come in to see me hang out out on a Saturday night you

know not just drive into a CVS and leave that's not a that's not making something that's not a village core that's not a village that's just the character want something better so to me that's a design a design standard more than density requirements but you got to have the density to make those retail Village centers work as I mentioned to my colleague over there Oakley if you had more density down here your your storage would be staying it's in the downtown it's not thank you chair it's not the density commissioner starky it's the evolution of the village core it's the moving of the density where it's not planned to be that's if you can show the the the before and after if we had a laser pointer that could be a little bit more clear the plan that we're supposed to be following or not which is the brown the brown is the higher D the higher Sor so but okay well that's not working for um so yeah there you go there sorry is this the plan that's existing and to help you that lined in the center is a dirt road the road hang on let me finish the to the land to the side where the lake is you've got a whole series of land owners they have no intention of giving up any RightWay so that Center of that whole thing doesn't have a chance to happen what's worse is when you look at now shifting this over you've got connected cities on the other side they've got all their densities that are over down down in there a new development is coming right toward the front right to the south of 52 uh macabe Road and they don't have a connection out there to curly Road even though curly road is going to be six Lane your connection is going to be larada which goes at the very bottom of the picture where that road kind of bends out and around larada comes out over there so you got to be careful how you assign these densities because if you just put everything right along curly Road and that road isn't going to get built and you don't have the connections to the South above you're going to have a cluster that's going to be loaded with traffic that's not ready for it um and I will say I'm very happy we talk with David goldsteen and County engineer Nick ER yesterday about this very paral that see the Green Piece that's in the in the intersection there that's a retention Pond the green square on the corner on the intersection it's a retention pond so here's the here's the here was here's what the problem is and this happened the same thing happened up at 52 in Bellamy brothers when we took out the Neon Cowboy we took that whole parcel right Prime piece of land we made a retention part out of it makes no sense what happens is dot puts their plans together we haven't gotten together with them but talking to David and Nick uran uh we're going to need to get our planners involved every time dot is going to do a rad that we get in the mix of it we go look at that stuff to see what we're going to be planning and

what's coming in so that doesn't happen again but that's what's made a big issue with this whole center right here too you you can't get the density where the retention pund is so commissioner wait minut you're W in the money what we plann is not happening now I will tell you that the way this happened was probably about 18 years ago we had biannual comprehensive plan amendments and we had some amendments going down here down by handcut Road specifically and that was trying to go from a res one to a res I think nine maybe res six and that didn't go anywhere and that it was at that point in time uh give commissioner shred a credit he then said let's go look at doing an area plan and that's when the things really started evolving and that's when the vop grab some ground to come forward so a lot of time has been into this gone through it but again with what's going on and when you consider the nebor next door we really need to work this connected cities and Vach together as well but we need to go look at what's going to go on with these cause because you just don't want to have a whole bunch of density down the road because the cause Center is not going to take it because all you can do is push down traffic down there that's still going to come back and forth and you may know how the infrastructure in place which cuz I don't know when that's going to be Sixth Lane if it's going to be six L and how it's going to connect down below and it's it's an issue before we really pull the trigger on the next thing going in there commissioner waitman thank you sh yeah my concern is is to have consistency consistency and uniformity you know amongst each village and we're following what needs to happen is we kick this this one off I understand in your plan which I guess it's a be different piece to make a shift I'm Noto I'm not opposed but I just I'm concerned that each one's going to have a little bit of uniqueness to it but that we're going to get away from what the intended purpose and the design of each Village is supposed to be and that we follow the Integrity of what's so much work and effort that's been that's been made into this so I mean right here was kind of this this over this side was yeah look out I got my like a Power Ranger here um was kind of outside the bounds you go here that's outside the bounds of what's going to be what's going to be planned and then decisions are going to me be made that will impact what's supposed to be in this core and at no fault of their own the project is supposed to be inside this core might be having to be you know they're they're going to have to give up something for something for a project that's not even following where it's supposed where it's supposed to go so it's just a a broader conversation I'm not not calling any particular proct a broader conversation of what what planning principles and what plan are we going to follow as we make decisions on on this project so

that's that's an essence of why I'm bringing this up well and a good point too when you look to the north part where you just were pointing you want your magic pin uh sure why not have some fun with it all right so right in that section right in there there's a bunch of open lanets there that's been kind of like where they're storing supplies and doing do doing the road construction that's like an untouched piece of land that should get more density as opposed to just trying to throw it down over here where there's really not much to support other than internal and if you get everybody in Connected cities if they're going inside going to lamara and all the stuff that's going on in there where your core Center is going to be those neighborhood people are probably going to go that way so your apartments that you're looking at down over here it's great that they're captivating their own trips and everything but a lot of those people there they're still going to find their way and right now there's no easy way for those people in those apartments to get to that point there's no connection to the North or the South so again these are great great points to bring it out I know was gone I read the article in the paper about how you were looking at that stuff about what's going on and some of these places coming in are going to want single family there's nothing wrong with single family in some of these places I mean it it's something to to really take a close look at everything we got going on rather than just pulling triggers every time we were getting something that comes before us can can I add something I think we've made some mistakes and looking at the marada I guess this is their Road Network why are there any even pedestrian connections to curly we we really need to be looking at the connectivity around is Brett tipping here he is not he's not he yeah he's at a wedding cuz I was asking that question yesterday here and that's unfortunate because if we wanted these people to go to that Village Court for they're going to have to drive down around go out and all all the way around and it's just yeah it's not a good Transportation plan any I think Joel too might be able to answer your questions okay let me just see if we have any more questions for staff then we bring public comment up and we'll let Mr two come from there and if he needs extra time to to go further that's fine CU been here from the get on it any other questions for staff all right so let me open for public comment Mr two good afternoon Joel to Palm Harbor Florida um I don't have a dog in this fight so I'm going to uh gratuitously share some input I was not involved with the project on curly road so I have no act grind no dog in that fight but just I think we need to be careful not to conflate two different issues ises this particular amendment is to give you the chance to concentrate density in Village cores which I know all of you want one

problem you're worried about is that seeping out this gives you the chance to help ensure that it gets pushed in um the issue you're discussing in my opinion is a totally separate issue which is an individual mpud approval issue um the only way these MPS get approved in Bop is if you approve them and against that the way this works is every time someone comes in with MPD application of EOP they have to not only convince you their MPD makes sense in and of itself at that location but they have to present to you as a companion to their MPD plan what the new Village plan will be for that total Village so every time you get an application you get a chance to revisit that overall Village configuration and frankly if the new MPD you're being asked to approve doesn't perpetuate the requirements of that particular Village then it shouldn't be approved but the only way they get approved is when this board approves them so I'm a little confused as to how you perceive we got where we are um because all of those came through the board and you simultaneously saw what the new Village will be now those nice concentric circles in that plan 15 years ago were planning instruments to Simply demonstrate the principle that you're now looking at which is concentrate densities toward the center feather them out make them walkable make them connected that was the concept and in an mwd you have to deal with the real world because real property ownership lines and real wetlands and real Streets On The Ground don't necessarily match up those neat circles that's why you can not not no matter how good a planner you are you can never draw one of these Village plans that looks exactly like those concentric circles now with that said it's not hard to say is my density concentrated toward the center and then is the next layer of density concentrated around that and I agree 100% it depends on where it is and also remember these Villages have different intensity requirements you have type one Villages type two 2 a 2 B 3 a so it also depends on what size Village that was intended to do so that's a long-winded explanation but you do have control over this I'm not saying don't go back and revisit the whole plan but I'd hate to see you throw the baby out with a bath water when when paying attention to each of those approvals in the context of that Village plan I think will help solve the problem so and again I don't know how you got there on this Village wasn't my wasn't my application yeah and I know it's a little different public comment but we're going to use this exper um I'm working for free now so it's oh we're really take some time here you do your best one one of the one of the problems juel is with the the the C the circles the way they set and the way they got to make changes and and I get we got to do some changes but here's what concerns me I could have one development on part of it coming in for a for for development approval another one for a different part of the same

Center and the two of them have them come together and staff I think when we get something that comes together in in a two-month window never mind a two or three- day window they should all get together and let's go put something together that's going to work for everything from the get-go rather than dividing and conquering who's going to get in first and who's going to get streamlined through for whatever the reasons may be but to have like two things going when I'm doing some changes as well it just I think takes away from the the big plan we're trying to put together it it breaks it all up and it's not fair for the vop people to hear it the planning commission to hear it and and then one by one by one they're all coming in we should be looking at this if we've got a few things coming in let's go look at it just like the project we're going to look at later later on today with the hospital and the complex above we put those together and it made it's going to make more sense than having them separate well that's a very very fair comment because initially in the early days we never ran into that because we were lucky if we had one applicant that would write the check to go en tile their property and start a village so at that point all we had to do was we had to come in with your your with our proposal for our portion and we had to draw you a conceptual Village plan that showed you how everything else could play out to prove that we weren't taking more than our fair share and that's how we did it but you're right now it gets a lot more complicated I when I was still working I would have times that I would be engaged for an MPD in a village and only find out secondhand that at the same time someone was doing another one in that Village and that what they were doing was not consistent with what we were doing and we would have to reach out and say wait a minute we need to all get on the same page where is this street going where are the connections and what density are you putting where so I mean you're entirely right I think if you have more than one application pending in a village at one time then you absolutely need to get all of those people in the same room and say you know what should this Village look like yeah cuz that's a problem and that was not a problem in the early days okay you got a lot of activity now okay somehow we need to be looking at that because if we only get one one project coming you look at that and it fits you don't know about the other one until months later maybe it comes and then maybe it doesn't fit peace peace so somehow or other staff needs to bring these to us with it fitting in that the circles the way it's supposed to be ahead of time so we're looking at it and it's fitting so and and you should be able to do that if more than the one's pending because everyone who applies like I said has to give you their updated version of that overall Village plan so you you at least you have the two views and you can sit down and compare them and see if they

work commission waitman so Professor to so when if there's a project in Village Corps that's followed followed the rules they're getting ready to rock and roll and there's another project that say comes in down here and they're going to pull away from this one who's following the vop plane in the core and for this one to work that has to kind of cut a deal so it just you know spreads it on out down you're you would agree or disagree that that's kind of bucking the intent of what this core is all about what it represents and what we're trying to accomplish here now if I'm right this is intersection of curly and new Clinton correct also known as mccab that big primary intersection yeah the way it would work under the existing rules is once you get let's just say the Northeast quadrant got approval and has Mudd approval then no one else can take away the entitlements you gave that project so whoever's there first is vested as to what you gave them for their part because their part as you say matched that Village plan and you had no problem so when applicant number two comes in number one they cannot take those other entitlements that have already been granted and they have to show you that they have logical reasons why you giving them additional density on the south side of that intersection makes sense and they still have to stay within the overall limits of the entit that'ss allowed for that Village so it is done on a peace Mill but they only get to take their Fair part of what's left based on where they're located and as I understand it your concern is they extended the high density residential farther down curly than perhaps you would have thought appropriate right well they didn't really take not just that but take away well how did they take was that approved on the northeast corner so this one here is done this right here is done right here okay but if you're when you're talking about who's there first I mean that comes to staff there's no subject matter expert here which is good uh Christy wants to say something yes go ahead you want the Power Pin the the theoretical question it depends on whether the northeast corner was already approved if it was not approved then the new applicant has to demonstrate that they still have an overall Village plan that meets with the intention and requirements for that Village Center and so you shouldn't approve the new when if they can't demonstrate that that's just a theoretical discussion presumably they convince three or more of you that that it fit the overall plan all right let's hear from Christy because I think she want to get a couple things thank you Joel Mr two Christy Barrera with height design um I actually did work with staff on this amendment language to change Villages B and C so this Village here and then the one just east of it to allow instead of a maximum of 25% high density in intensity to 35% high density in intensity and it was in these two specific Villages because uh

new Clinton mccab whatever other names we're calling it runs through these Villages and so yes 18 years ago 20 years ago when we were working on Bop we did say that this is a primary Road it's planned to be a six Lane Road in the future but maybe didn't realize how important it would be with the interchange at 52 and 75 being improved a couple of years ago this road actually going through now actually getting Utilities in this area that there's been a lot of demand for development along Clinton Road and there's also been a lot of applications there's three pending in Village B right now there's two pending in village C what kind of applications mpud zonings so we're all in the zoning stage and staff asked us to work together to come up with solution because they liked both projects you know how can we get higher density for both of these projects now the one thing that is important to remember is that we are not increasing the number of units that is approved in either of these Villages what has happened over time is it appears that the number of units who were approved in the villages we can't actually reach that maximum because of constraints like wetlands and topography and things like that and a pond maybe pond storm water ponds are important yes um so so we want to have as much density as was planned in passing the hills in these areas but to do that we have to increase the density around that core area and in some places it is stretching out but we think along curly and especially along Clinton both of those are planned to be six Lane roads in the future that along those roads it does make sense to have higher density and higher intensity uses but doesn't have to be excuse me do you want commission I think part of my frustration is does it have to be all rental apartments to get density I mean aren't there other things that could get density and when do we reach the limit of how many rental apartments we want in the area definitely and so a plan that you haven't seen yet that's actually going to the Pasadena Hills planning and policy committee tomorrow is the one that you were talking about commissioner waitman in the um Northeast quadrant and that is going to have vertical mixed use in those some of those apartments along um the main road so something that we've heard you want in the plan and something that we're committed to in that MPD project that will be coming forward to you in January okay M white So based on that information is there any harm in waiting to see what the vop policy committee says I'm sure they'll hear what this board discussion is today and what staff may be back to have a maybe have a fresh look over all I mean there's a lot of subject matter experts that have spent a lot of their time on this project and plan for so this actually went to the VP planning and policy Committee in September I believe and there was a very lengthy discussion at that time also but they unan unanimously recommended approval of this compain

amendment so what about the O take a look at the overall because the option that's being where's G here I don't my Power Pin is not that powerful so the new the new plan would to be to essentially shift this ring South so it's not shifting it South it's adding more of the brown so if you go back it's not taking away any of the brown it's just adding it's adding more acreage to be able to get as many of the units as were previously planned in this Village so the success of the I shouldn't say success but I'll say so initially you're looking at having the entertainment and the fun things that commissioner starky and I enjoy up here looking at shifting it down this way we're adding more areas where it can so there will be some entertainment it's a little bit deceiving here because you see that red L that's actually a hatched area in this updated version where I what I was talking about there will be vertical mixed use and also Standalone non-residential north of Clinton and that project that you'll be seeing in January and I I am hopeful Who start I hopeful that who's ever designing that red area below you can take that storm water Pond and turn it into an asset if you line your buildings up right and you put a you know make it make that a a water feature don't make it a something negative turn that into a positive work with do do could be tough but it could happen um what I what I look at I look at the red Down Below in the southern part and I look above I don't see the any red up there any reason why there's red good question so it's a hatch I created a new color because I just want to keep you guys on your toes um so at the time um we weren't exactly sure where we wanted the non residential to go and we want it to do vertical mixed use so it's a red dashed line over the Brown saying that in that area we want to have be able to do non-residential and residential and mixed use so that's what that hatched line is supposed to represent is all of those uses so north of Clinton we're proposing 75,000 ft of non-residential as in additional uh 700 plus residential units so there will be a lot of density in our plan what's proposed this area that's but that's m road right yes it's mcab not Clinton yes I believe the street sign mcab goes from the interstate all the way across till it hits Prospect at clamp yes okay so I just say would seem to me if we're going to be looking at these and approvals and we're we're trying to like time when infrastructure is going to be in place around the core is one thing because on the core everybody's going to get on macab and be able to move quick when you get all the traffic coming up on curly that's only two-lane road with a big development beside it that could be anyone coming from there on the southern western side is going to circle at larat and come back down curly and go

out if we don't have infrastructure in place how are these people going to get around and what's the traffic going to be like between that intersection and the one at Prospect well what's the plan for widening curage someone need to tell tell us when it's going to get wi I don't represent the pro the MP that's going to come to you all later today I do know that Curly is eventually planned to be six Lanes um you know you have the improved intersection at 52 and the new intersection at overpass so there'll be two different ways for people to get to the interstate northan South okay any other questions you want to ask Christie go back to step go back to what we doing we're we're actually taking away density from I mean you want to go we should go back over what this amendment is that we're looking at right um is there anything you would I just think you should Sub sub uh say State again what it is that we're voting just yeah I'll just go up to the very before we get to what we're voting on we we still get public com I want to ask another question as well okay do you want me to wait well let me let me ask you a question so it's been said before and I I still haven't got the answer even uh for for the past week or two when is Curly going to get improved to the six Lane are there sidewalks going to be going on what happens at Prospect who's be building that and is it funded so I just I don't know when curly is going to be built exactly but I do know that on the financial plans for connected City and for vop they they need to allocate funds and and and build Those portions of the road for curly so right now we don't have I don't have place or timeline exactly I don't have any timeline and Reon impact fees ofing in on these units that money is not available to Bill curly until that comes in so there's no timeline on how that's built out so in in the past we've done we've had a developer put in infrastructure and get reimbursed from their own things back right uh I know you've hesitated on certain things on Shady Hills Etc to go do that but this is like a a prime time where you need to go do it cuzz you if you're going to approve the development and you don't have the infrastructure I'm going to tell you the people aren't going to want to wait for you to get it I don't want to basically we did that with connected City cuz you didn't have curly Road being four lane and Sixth Lane back then because they hadn't developed that property and as it developed and the money becomes available and you see it changing the roads withd is changing right and and if if they don't have the funding available even with the build out then where where you going to be and like I said with if you just allow all this density and you got a two-lane road with no way to get in or out and when I say that just with constraint um you're going to create a big issue there and I mean especially up at Prospect well kids heading to that high school or even do Wy Chapel yeah so it's it's it's it's

it's something that's and It's tricky because especially right here you've got connected cities and these are these are two great things connected City and Bop but now we're just we're getting these little struggles coming in and how we going to make all work and it may take some more County involvement to to make these things right and and even if we got to get reimbursed for down the road so be it but somehow we got to look at what's coming and when it does come how we going to be ready for it right so Mr chair if I may and Gavin you can corre if I'm wrong there there is a financial plan within vop that um thinks this through actually and they have various impact fees that I believe are are set up and set aside and there is a fairly robust system of credits by which a developer you know can get repaid over time through future development for investments in infrastructure I think that's the general the general way and I I don't want to get the risk of screwing it up I don't want to say say more about it but but that mechanism exists that was part of the vop plan to to build the infrastructure and to get exactly what you're talking about in place okay all right so just for the public um go ahead and uh do the present uh answer commissioner starky's question about show shows exactly what's going on then we get another public comment so just further quick update again increasing land area conversions you know transferring from The Edge into the center like I said um Brown and red area is going to be increasing by 10% in just Villages B and C off of M Road um six Ro of the future um here's the proposed one like like we've talked about previously here's the proposed one um in the future if you choose to transmit and adopt this in the future and then here's just a quick overview of the intelence again you know getting more of that entertainment stuff if you want it more options for commercial and Retail um and then again just density Wise from the outer ring into the center ring becoming more densified having more people be able to walk to those Village centers to get coffee to get you know wine whatever they choose and then design principles again densifying walkability all that good stuff and then just comes with a transmitt can can you go back again to the little pictures that were on that one this picture can we get zoomed in on that I can't really is it possible right hand column I think Sonia's going to try and see if she can zoom in on oh yeah see like see number one two three the fourth one down and then um yeah so interesting those are all tnd those are all rear loaded so that's what looks good um that's what agees well and then is that commercial the second one down the second second one yeah I think the first two are going to be the commercial like the centers and the third one is also commercial yesal I just wanted better look at what you were showing

here Mr chairman okay yes as um was just stated this is transmittal this is not adoption it's confusing because it was process it its title is for ordinance which would be adoption and it's on the ordinance section of your agenda but this actually you actually will have another hearing on this for final adoption once it comes back from the Department of Commerce MH all right let's go finish we'll finish back in the public comment is anyone from the public would like to speak to this item Mr chair I have no one signed up and no one on WebEx for this item okay um I like say as we go further with this one I would like to see when it does come back to us that I would like to know the details of when the road's going to come in uh how we're going to deal with that infrastructure piece uh as it does flow um I'm okay with doing some changes along the way but I want to make sure that we're not just going to burden everybody until the fees come in place we need to i' like to see that before we final adopt it but yeah move it forward I'll make a motion we approve it there's no one on web see that public no's on whx for this item close and public comment M ropley you're you're moving staff recommendation to transmit yes staff recommendation okay roll call vote district one commissioner Oakley I District Two commissioner waitman I District three commissioner starky hi District Four commissioner Bradford District 5 chairman Mariano I okay item P94 p93 93 sorry item p93 was published in the Tay times on October 4th 2023 and by affidavits of certified mailings and site postings Denise Hernandez planning and development p93 is also an item that should have probably been placed in the other section of the agenda uh because it's also a transmittal uh so today on this item we're asking that you trans MIT this this item to the Department of Commerce and other reviewing agencies it was reviewed by the pasan hills planning and policy committee on 10:18 of 23 by the local planning Agency on 112 of 23 and it is scheduled for adoption by the board of County Commissioners on 1 19 of 24 it is PDD 24004 which is an ordinance by the Pascal County Board of County Commissioners amending the Pascal County comprehensive plan providing for for map and text amendments the future land use element chapter 2 Go gold flu 6 J benold Village's capacity the hills to expand the boundaries of the special district amend the boundary of Village B and Village F in figures ph1 PH2 ph3 ph4 ph4 a ph5 ph6 ph7 ph8 and amend tables PH2 and ph3 and other amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for severability and an effective date again this is a transmittal to the Department of Commerce and other reviewing agencies and if you would just please take public comment and transmit any comments or staff we go to public comment anyone

have from the public to comment item p93 I have no one signed up for p93 and no one on WebEx for p93 okay to the board move approval move staff recommendation to Transit recommendation yeah this is for 93 and 94 93 93 second okay any roll call vote district one commissioner Oakley hi District Two commissioner waitman hi District three commissioner starky hi District Four commissioner Bradford District Five chairman Mariano hi so I don't see commissioner Bradford on the line so we're going to go back to just not roll calling votes we're just going to make the votes yes sir I just got a note from his assistant he had to step away so he'll let us know he's back when he goes back we'll change all right P94 we have proof yes Mr chair P94 was published in Tay times on October 4th 2023 and by Affidavit of certified mailings and site postings right item P94 is the companion to p93 you're expanding the boundary of um Pasad the hills villes capacity in the Hills area so you have to modify the Land Development code uh to effectuate that uh today um there's no action required this is the first reading on the item um the adoption is scheduled for January 9th 2024 this was presented to the Pasad Hills plan policy committee on 10:18 of 23 and to the Planning Commission who found it consistent with a comprehensive plan on 112 of 2023 it's PDD 2441 which is an ordinance by the Pasco County Board of County Commissioners amending the pasor County Land Development code section 602 J Ben Haro Villages capacity the hill stewardship districts revisions to exhibit 602a 602b 602d 602e and am and amending other sections as necessary for internal consistency providing for applicability repealer severability inclusion into Land Development code and an effective date again please accept public comment no action is required as this is the first reading the adoption is uh set for 1 19 of 24 at 1:30 in date City you go any questions for staff no okay there's a public hearing anyone here to speak to item P94 I have no one signed up and no one on WebEx for P94 okay we shall close public comment to the board move approv no no this is this was your first public hearing you don't oh we don't have to have a motion no action here and no action required I I have I have a question has this has the second hearing been set uh second hearing is 1 n of 24 Accord according to my colleague Gavin Kobe CU we're looking at the master roadway plan map here and um I know that Clinton is a state road now not right not it's well Clinton is but this is McCay part of well it's the part doesn't have the multi-use trail on part of this you know was left out of the the multi-use trail is not built but I want to make sure that it's memorialized here somewhere that that that isn't it isn't that orange belt Trail is coming in on C no this is this is an orange belt orange belt's not the Clinton Avenue extension um but the isn't not this road here we

not does that go through here or do I have that am I mistaken this road we've been talking about is MC it goes to no I'm not talking about that road it's we CH that's State Road 52 are we modifying this at all we are only adding the additional Parcels from the Hamilton Oaks mut so we're not modifying any typicals or anything no we're literally just adding those additional Parcels into the into the district and MC fronts on what Road State Road 52 it goes from the interstate all the way to Prospect Road C it's it's the our problem child is going to be from Prospect to 301 because we don't have the RightWay okay and that's that's Clinton Avenue right so we have the RightWay to put that multi in on the north side of Clinton from curly to prospect where where I think we're going to have to come across the street and go on the south side is from Prospect to 301 can we put this up on a map so we can look at this and so anyone who's coming in for development on the south side of 52 you control this from Prospect to 301 we need to be making sure we're getting enough right away to fix that mistake because I think it'd be really expensive to put it on the North side because they have that concrete wall right they have that that there's a big wall yeah I'm well that's that's MC there where the concrete wall is and and when I went on that tra went on that route with do it looked very difficult to put it on the North side and it was said that they thought we'd have is someone putting up the map we'd have to come on to the South side and I drive that way but I don't pay attention to the outside of that road so so where's Prospect right there you go and that walls back to to the West yeah to the east no not the wall they said they had the right away to where they thought they could come in and put it back in between curling and Prospect and I'm sorry I don't know I know Tina's our M our person who else here knows about trails in the county who's your road person that would know this Mike all right so cuz it's stopped at curly unb notes to All of Us um there from what I understand there's room on the North side between from curly to prospect but we run into trouble from Prospect to 301 and so we just need our planners and our staff just needs to know that anything that comes in on the South Side from Prospect 301 just need a little more space okay otherwise it dead ends at Prospect and the idea is to connect it to the trail that connects to se for Hills and date City at 301 I don't know where you're talking about a wall though on on Prospect 301 I'm talking about continuing that um multiuse path to make sure it connects to the 301

Trail right and it it it it has a problem from Prospect to 301 to be on the North side like the rest of it is yes correct the the multi-use path that was built in conjunction with fdot terminates right around it's Pro I'm sorry at curly um if you pay if you if you look as you're driving you'll see it on the north side of the road there's a there's a wide multi use path it stops at curly but there what the commissioner is saying is is that there is enough land on the North side to continue that trail all the way to prospect at Prospect however there is limited right of way on the North side and what the commissioner is asking is as we go through the plans for properties and Parcels that abut McCade State Road 52 is to make sure that there's an accommodation for multiuse path on the South Side so there would have to be a crossing of of State Road 52 to the South side and to continue that so that way the multi-use path can continue from Prospect to Highway 301 yeah I would think there's enough room on the North side but I no they got this what's causing the retention wall that's very high what retention wall yeah and it's high it's just built with the it was the construction of of the road and the the alignment it was just a technical matter but the retention wall is on the ier parcel that comes through mhm that's macab mhm before you get to prospect that's where a retention wall is if I could if I recomend there's not a retention I think I think commissioner yes ma'am your Point's well taken um let me draw this to a close because we got a lot of things going on right now and I just wanted to make sure I was understanding right but the new State Road 52 call it mccab call it Clinton it's the same road I just was making sure I wasn't misunderstanding what you're both talking about I see it now clearly it's what I thought it was uh so I think it's probably a good idea is we we're seen and we heard the mayor from San Antonio come today let's go talk about what's going on in that road I know we got Alternatives we're looking at so it might be good to get Advanced of a full public hearing but maybe start a discussion amongst us as a workshop or some sort um to talk about what's going on in this whole area cuz U it's definitely confusing from from what I'm seeing in here at this point oh look there's another one all right so I'm going okay we don't have any action to take on that last time item no okay so we moving right along action okay so now we'll get to the public hearings would you like for me to read the procedure Mr County attorney please there are two resoning agendas regular consent staff will present each application to the board of County Commissioners if staff or Planning Commission has recommended approval and there is no opposition the application will be considered by the board without further presentation if staff or Planning Commission has recommended denial or if there is opposition to the application the applicant will be given

5 minutes for presentation the opposition will be given 3 minutes for each individual or 5 minutes for a group representative and the applicant will be given three minutes for rebuttal any individual disagreeing with staff or Planning Commission recommendation or anyone wishing to object to any condition of the rezoning May at this time request the petition be pulled from the consent agenda in which case that application will be heard under the regular agenda later on during the meeting otherwise I'll res applications on the consent agenda will be approved by a single motion and vote if you wish to speak to any petition please give your name and address and whether or not you've been sworn for the record these are Quasi judicial public hearings the law in Florida is that may public support or opposition of an application is insufficient for this board to take action please limit your comments to those criteria found within the board's Land Development code Madame clerk would you like to swear folks in yes um Mr Stein Senator if um if anyone here is in the public would like to speak to any of the remaining items if you could please stand please stand if you plan to um speak at the podium all right please raise your right hands do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth so help you God thank you you may be seated okay so we have a few continuances start with P95 item P95 was published in the Tay times on October 1st 2023 and October 8th 2023 thank you Denise Hernandez Planning and Development P95 is fac 2434 this is a request to continue the item to the January 9th 2024 Board of County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 in dve City a motion move continues second all in favor say I I I any opposed motion passes p96 do I have proof yes item p96 was published in Tampa times on September 20th 2023 B96 is PDD 24 7683 Crossways mpud the request is to continue the item to the January 9th 2024 board County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 in dat City have a motion approval move to Contin move to continue sorry all in favor say I I opposed p97 item p97 was published in Tay times on September 2 2023 p97 is PDD 24 7744 dewood hany and NAD nine the request is to continue the item to the January 9th 2024 Board of County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 in date C do I have motion to Contin second all in favor say hi hi hi any opposed item p98 item p98 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on August on August 23rd 2023 p98 is pvd2 24 cu2 pass Land and Cattle company LLC Skyway Towers Verizon Wireless the request is to continue the item to the January 9th 2024 Board of County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 in dat City I'll move second move the continu all in favor of the continuance U yes I say I I any opposed okay now time for the consent agenda the we are two items P99 item P99 was was published in

the Tampa Times on October 4th 2023 P99 is pd24 7669 in the name of Hamilton Oaks MPD master plan unit development Stephanie v v Benson William D Brown and others it's a resoning from an AC agricultural District to an mpud master plan unit development District to allow for a maximum development of 240 single family detached dwelling units comes you with a recommendation of approval with conditions as included in your agenda packet from The Villages of Pasadena Hills planning and policy committee um and the planning sorry it wasn't in the Pasadena Hills but it was presented to them comes to you with a recommendation of approval with conditions um from the Planning Commission on 112 of 23 okay is anyone here to speak in opposition of item P99 I have no one signed up and no one on WebEx for P99 we'll leave it on consent item P 100 item p100 was published in the Tampa Times on September 6 2023 and October 4th 2023 P1 100 is PDD 24769 it's a resoning uh water grass mpud ckb Development LLC it's a resoning request to substantially modify the water grass mpud to allow for additional uses on Parcels 4 a 4B which are which is approximately 18.5 Acres comes you with a recommendation of approval with conditions as included in your agenda packet from the pading the hills planning and policy committee and the Planning and Development Department okay is anyone here in the audience just even on WebEx to speak against item P 100 Mr Mr chair I have no one signed up and no one on WebEx see no one to the board Mo approve have a motion second to approve the consent agenda thank you oh yes got all in favor say I only two yes all in favor say I I I any opposed I consented best consent agenda passes item P 101 we have proof yes Mr chair item um item P 101 was published times on September 27th 2023 item p101 will be presented by my colleague alen Kobi thank you thank you son and then we also have the MPD on 102 would you rather hear the mpud first or the da first uh let's see we got the DAC okay okay so if it's okay we'll start with the da and then moves the MD okay 101 okay yes 101 I'm so sorry okay so this is uh PDD 248 the Wildcat Bales development agreement uh here is the location within the the county here's a location within all connected City here's just a quick brief of the match radway plan as you can see um the bottom half right here you can see the primary road going north where the subject property is and so the applicant request is to set forth the terms and conditions for the developer to design permit and construct certain roadway improvements in including flood plane compensation Wetland mitigation drainage retention associated with the mckendry poet Road segment and so they're going to be

building the 150 BB uh typical uh which is designated in the connected City masi plan uh this typical is not the final typical for Mur but what the developer will actually be building whenever they come in um for their project um the final typical is 150cc and this is ultimately going to be a six Lane Road um the developer will be providing a four-lane road um so they will be providing the Wetland mitigation uh storm water everything else needed for the final typical now so that whenever we do upgrade to the six Lane Road it's already there we don't have to go back and rip it all out and be counterproductive is that mckendry road yeah mckendry and and Bo will end up six Lanes I'm sorry that will end up six Lanes yeah it will end up uh six Lane it is going to go through the business core and up into the urban core so it's going to be a major north south South connected City yeah uh so they will be getting Transportation development fee credits um kind of what Mike carbal talked about earlier uh kind of say financial plan uh essentially they're going to be building the road in exchange for credits so instead of paying their Mobility fees they' get credits whenever they apply for site plans so they'd be getting those credits and we'd be getting the infrastructure in place right um this this would put the infrastructure Place ahead of that yeah it's a beautiful thing and so uh they are required to have their their service rate site acreage completed before any credits are issued so this is going to be uh employment generating uses like like we had talked about earlier Seth U or commissioner waitman and uh and yeah so so yeah this comes with just a recommendation of approval okay any questions for staff okay so public hearing item P 101 is anyone here to speak in opposition to P1 or speak to it Mr hobby Mr chairman Clark hobby hobby and hobby PA 109 North Brush Street Tampa Florida have been sworn uh we're here to answer any questions you have but as staff noted this is the companion item that goes with the the zoning amendment that follows and this allows us to build that large stretch of mckendry for fee credits and as the chairman noted the idea behind doing this in Connect connected city is to get ahead of the growth so that's why we're here today this is the same form da we've used on other projects in Connected City okay thank you Mr chair I do have um someone signed up and I have someone signed up but there's no name associated to it so um I've got Mr I think it's pter Ru Michael yes ma'am I was not sworn and I apologize I was the room you could raise your right hand do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth so help you God yes thank you you may proceed thank you um state your name and address for the record before Michael pic 9152 ketton Road thank you in the middle of the Pasco connected city um first I'd like to thank the

chairman for bringing up a very important word earlier called infrastructure there's now I just counted two oh that's not even for this one I apologize that's well you can leave it up that's all right this is the links and Associates traffic studies they're from 2013 they were updated in 2014 a lot of these Maps a lot of the things you're being shown uh have I'm sure older studies associated with this and that's very important because things keep getting added to this plan the big plan I've now counted two projects that were added to this project bobcat and then K are also going to be spoken about the utilizing the same roads here's the problem we have not heard about infrastructure what you're telling us is going to be 30,000 residents added in the next 9 years to the Pasco connected City that's the equivalent of Brandon down in Hillsboro I don't know if you've been there lately as a resident we all left there's a lot of people not enough infrastructure when you needed it not enough schools not enough Public Safety what your voters see is Pasco for Penny penny for Pasco I apologize over this decade is giving us $1.9 billion to the county $855 million is for schools 342 million is for transportation 171 million is for Public Safety we are yet to hear where the fire stations are going we are yet to hear where the public schools are going and we do not accept the explanations for why the proper roads aren't being put in to protect the existing residents I bring this up because Hillsboro County fire rescue just opened the third fire station on the main drag in Brandon and on day one it became the second most busy fire station in all of Hillsboro County Fire Rescue and they run over 130,000 calls per year that station was 15 years overdue they finally found the land for it they finally got it built and it is the second busiest fire station in the county at the hearing with plans two weeks ago we were told the erson school property was given back we also know Vita's way is on its way it would have utilized that property and the marata property for schools for a public K through 8 is not in the 10-year budget for the school board that's an issue charter schools are not the answer for everything they add to the transportation issue they don't have busing the ones we have are not accountable and not in good standing in that area with the school board we need a K through 8 at least one in a high school identified to be inside the connected City we need to know where two fire stations are going to go in to protect the 30,000 residents and we know that we need to know that you are going to make the commitment to us that the infrastructure is going to going to be put in for the current residents so that we are not penalized by the nonresidents that would like to move here we hear a lot of protection for future residents but we would like to hear about some

protection for your current voting residents thank you sir is there anyone else out here to up to speak to P item 10 P 101 I was the one who forgot to write my name down Jim Mariner my address is 3049 elim Road Wesley chap Florida uh and I'm sorry you've been sworn oh yes and I have been sworn uh first I'd like to thank um commissioner waitman for bringing the connected City issues kind of into Forefront last month um it's something that's been on our mind for a long time uh there have been positives and negatives to this whole thing I mean uh Metro development and height design created this thing for their benefit and then it kind of got extended out to this entire area uh that that we talk about connected City the problem is is that the guidance that was given I guess to to y'all to approve the these things and make it cohesive um and and kind of tie the vision together it just it it kind of somewhere it there was a disconnect and we've got situations that were uh that that are being uh approved sort of like what you all were discussing earlier uh with with the Pasadena Hills uh they're they're kind of getting approved and then you're like well what happens when this next one re makes a request um we uh the this particular uh motion or request I have no problem with um as long as it is a requirement to do this particular intersection where this development this project is going to be which is going to be the entrance to a major hospital and and and Retail and Residences multi family units is a nightmare if you go and you look at overpass and boyet it is very short section before you get to mckendry I did speak to the applicants uh Council and he said that they were going to follow through with the master roadway plan to kind of Straighten It Out Create an intersection as opposed to a 90° curve uh and then continue it on that is acceptable to to you know the the residents in the area at least those that uh trust me um but uh I'd like for that to to be kind of like set in stone that we don't have someone come after this if this may for some reason Fall by the wayside and be able to take this UD and say well we we don't need it like that we want to use this and so we're going to change it so just codify it for us make it so that we can't kind of get uh uh back doored later and just keep in mind the overall vision of the connected city thank you thank you is there any El here to speak to item P 101 I have no one on WebEx for p 101 I see someone Rising though all I've never done this before I didn't swear in so want is there is there anyone else who may speak at this point that hasn't been sworn in yet okay all right please raise your right hand do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give is the

truth so help you God yes thank you um you may proceed to state your name and address first and then then then your comments Kindra McKenna 30543 elim Road I've lived there for 27 years I have 10 acres it's been beautiful but unfortunately with the hospital going in and now Kinton Road more more homes going in our road is going to be used as a highway I'm very very concerned about that we've already had to deal with elim Road being shut down for over a year now dump trucks coming through flying through I don't I don't feel like there's been enough development in the roads like Kent needs to be finished before you even start building homes on Kent Road um to go to overpass where they can hold the congestion we can't we're to you know we're a two- Lane highway or not even a highway a road so that is my number one concern number two I have never been notified of any of these projects which are on both ends of my road why is that why did these things get approved without the residents being notified El Road residents raise your hand they never got any notification either why why is how can that legally be okay I live there these people don't live there they just want to make money I mean I'm sorry I'm just being very blunt um 500 ft of the property gets notified by written by 500 ft from the from the boundaries of the rezoning we get a written letter and then there's newspaper advertisement it's published on the website and there're signs posted so do you get the newspaper cuz I sure don't how many people want here to get the newspaper please address the board okay I'm sorry do you get the newspaper I do I read it every day you the only one cuz I don't I don't know anybody that really does anymore I'm not trying to be rude but I didn't know of these things now that I've heard I'm very concerned and I will be here and I will have a voice because it's my land it's not your land it's not their land it's I paid for my land I pay taxes and I have a right to know when you're using my road or going to use not only my road our roads I should be more enthetic for that but anyway I think I have a right to know when there's going to be a huge hospital at one end of my road and the other Road they're building town homes and soon to be apartments and houses that's not okay I mean something's got to change here where is America where are we at we are the landowners that's all I have to say anything you want to ask me public Please Don't Clap and in public home we just take feedback the exception with the you want to say no we don't we don't we don't we don't dialogue back thank you all right anyone else to speak this item in the audience anyone on WebEx Mr chair I Mr um gentleman coming forward is there is there anyone else would like to speak please line up and I'm going to close public comment if this gentleman if no no one else lines up Mr chair before he begins I just want

to make sure um the first gentleman who spoke I your name I don't know but it's pa pa herac because he had amow address he had displayed something on the screen and I don't know if he wanted as part of the record and so there hasn't been a motion um to accept the filing so okay thank you thank you um my name is Juan contas I live on elim road also have you been sworn no okay go ahead and raise your right hand do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth so help you got yes okay um could you please restate your name and address for the record and then you can beas uh 30121 Elum Road Wesley Chapel okay thank you you may proceed all right um so last time I brought it up with the other committee about uh people coming down elim Road I live on the curb have ran into our fence five times and once it was a deputy Pasco County Deputy that did it the road's about to open up these people are trying to get approved for this master plan uh development I just want to know what you guys are planning on doing with elim road because as soon as this road opens up in the next month or so we're going to have everybody bypassing overpass to get to 75 going down our road and there's there's one little sign that says 10 m an hour right before you get to the S curve it's about uh few hundred ft away that's the only thing you have everybody flies through there you can hear them inside the house when cars are squeak squeaking by I don't know if you guys can do uh speed bumps out there to slow cars down but I know that something has to be done cuz as soon as they open this road up in the next month or so whenever they're plan on doing it um we're going to have have a lot of crazy people driving through anybody north of Elam Road is not going to go all the way to overpass to make a right-hand turn at the Public's when they can bypass it so I'm assuming it's going to be at least hundreds of cars every day in both directions coming through there and I'm at the I'm right the the road dead ends right into my property and then it s-curves at night there's no lights out there there's one little sign that shows that it's supposed to turn that's the only thing we have out there I have kids my kids cannot go on the bus because they have to be at least a couple hundred feet back from the road in case somebody comes through there I don't think I should have to protect my kids in front of my house a couple hundred feet back from the road because some crazy person can just come flying through so I'm just curious to find out what you guys are planning on doing with elim Road in the near future so that we I mean we all want to know thank you R can reach out to well we'll have staff talk later on but that's all for public comment if want you have

more I not okay please raise your right hand do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give the truth so help you God yes thank you um state your name and address for the record and then you can proceed okay Carmen Patton 3107 Elum Road thank you so I'm neighbors with both that came and spoke I live on the short sharp curve where Boyette turns into Elum and I've had people crash into my house in my yard for years just like JC now and he's right on right on El when they go so it's supposed to be 30 or not his fence his kids I mean all my kids are gone now but all of us are concerned about that especially with all this extra new traffic it it is a really big concern if you guys open that road with hundreds of cars before it was closed for construction I would I mean this is Rule Pasco horses chickens pigs I would have to wait to pull out which is fine I mean growth that's fine but the cars crashing constantly are a real big concern so it would be nice to see something I know there's something flashed up there about mckendry um and the roads coming close to the lake I live on which is kind of concerning as well but it's elim road that nobody goes 30 and and JC's kids can't play outside already without cars without any cars so is that how can we get further information on on this or what traffic's going to safety is going to do about Elum we can get those answers to them we'll we'll ask staff to talk about it okay all right great we reach out to you 30107 Elum 301 yeah my prop 30107 thank you so my property actually uh is property line with Wildcat Groves in the hospital and all that which is quite shock shocking in itself thank you thank you okay thank you all right any else for public comment in the audience anybody else on WebEx I have no one on WebEx for this item we going to close public comment wait I'm sorry this is p 101 right p101 yes okay no one on WebEx okay M Hobby yeah Mr chairman Clark hobby again uh I I just I shouldn't belor this but I've got to answer a few of these things so the record is straight the the neighbors are alleging that we're not putting the infrastructure in place to serve development and connected City and that is just flat out wrong the purpose of this development agreement is for us to build what's going to be likely be a combination four lane and transitioning to two-lane road in advance of development a very extensive and expensive roadway we are working in advance through the development community and the fee credits to build bu these roads so that the county doesn't have to come back later and do it on its timeline which I assure you and as was stated earlier would be much later than we're going to do it we're going to build it in advance of development there were statements about school board issues and those really aren't Germain to this item but I do want to tell you because I've been talking with the school board at

Great length and I'm just going to Rattle off a few things for the record about school sites at school board either already owns in close proximity to this area or has reserved Kirkland K through 8 is going to open next year there's extra acreage in the Kirkland site they could build another school the school board has a high school site over 100 acres on hand cart the school board has a 60 Acre Site on the north side of mccab Road Clinton road just outside of connected City where we were looking at that map earlier there is a reserve 44 Acre Site in marada there's a reserve site in Harvest Hills there's a reserve site in Evans Pasadena and there there are other ones reserved in this area what the school board does is it gets ahead of the growth and it plans for these things and when there're new Wings new schools needed they use the fee credits that or the fees that we're paying in and they get ahead and they build it and for that reason we don't have concurrency issues in Pasco County the way that many other counties do and simple fact of the matter is I looked at the uh school board's freeze study which is their enrollment study this year they are 25% away from having a concurrency failure in their school system if you measure it the way it legally has to be done in this County so that's just totally totally wrong are there areas where schools are approaching capacity yes and sometimes they get over but the school board here does a great job of building the facilities in advance so we don't have the problems that Hillsboro's had for years and people like that uh there were questions about Elum Road and I'll address this further in the next agenda item but I want the board to understand that we're going to be correcting the 90° curve problem at elim as part of this project we are going to be bringing elim straight into our site and they'll either be a roundabout or signal that will be in the area where the hospital is to go and that will eliminate one of the biggest safety issues that has existed on elim for many years but make no mistake elim Road was built and has been a collect paved collector Road for many many years the way it was built and designed that was the C's doing and if the county wants to change other sections of elim away from our site they're welcome to do so but we're doing the responsible thing working with your staff to make the situation better in this project so with that I I'd ask the board to move forward on the development bring up can we uh Clark or County What U Mr starky he did bring up fire station so I'm curious do we have something planned in the area you know the the fire department Public Safety are involved in all of our muds they get you know they get notice and they tell us and as an example they've asked for a new fire station site at out at Cruz and Douglas and that will be part of that mpud we did not receive one on this site and I assume that when they need another site in Connected City they'll ask for one as part of the many muds okay answering that question okay thank you there is a

fire station right there on the when you enter water grass on the left so from this we need another one out there eventually yeah all right we one from staff are we good move approval second any further discussion all in favor say I I I any opposed thank you p102 item p102 was published in the Tampa Times on September 20th 2023 good afternoon Gavin Kobe Planning Development so this is PDD 24767 the Wildcat bals connected City mpud and just give you a quick little background in April of 2015 um the Florida State Legislature passed Senate Bill 1216 establishing Pasco County as a pilot program for connected City and then subsequently this this board adopted the enabling documents including the comprehensive plan the LTC stewardship District mastero plan to carry out the vision of the connected City in Pasco County so quick project overview we're rezoning from an ER estate residential district to a connected City master plan uh unit development District uh to allow for 1275 multif family dwelling units 155,000 ft of retail 150,000 ft of office 250,000 ft of medical office uh 365,000 ft of hospital and 250 hotel rooms on approximately 176 acres and so this is located at the northeast corner of the intersection of mckendry Road and overpass Road here's a quick uh look at the site location in comparison to the county here's a uh location map within connected City and then again here's our connected City uh SBA zones these are special planning areas these are basically like our flu designations uh as you can see uh it's in the South Innovation Zone and the business core here's just a quick picture of the aerial the current zoning which is er State residential uh the future land use which is EC and here's a a quick picture of the master plan with the Bales portion uh this is going to have I believe 550 multif family units and the rest of the non-residential the hospital everything else will be on the that southern portion of the prop property closer to overpass uh and just to kind of highlight some of the the the spba zones uh for connected City that this is in uh the business core is supposed to be high density uh high density and intensity the hospital the retail medical office stuff like that um and then it prohibits single family uses in this area because of that intensity and density that we want uh for the South Innovation Zone it's lower to medium density and intensity um you know high and with some high density multif family uh residential office retail medical all of that for you um so yeah the density and the intensities of this project match up with the SBA zones that they are located in and there are a couple of uh the economic development policies that I

wanted to point out for this project uh one being policy Ed 3.4 uh pass County will encourage an active of or encourage active development and implementation of programs that promote a diversified economy Hospital office medical office all of that will be you know large job creation sites uh for the county and then again policy Ed 3.7 which is pass count will incentivize primary and Target Industries generating a minimum of 10 new full-time jobs obviously this is a massive hospital it's going to generate a good amount of jobs for the county uh they are requesting a few variations from our code uh section 522.com code residential projects that are four or more stories shall provide a usable open space of not less than 5% of the acreage of the parcel on which the building is uh situated and the applicant is requesting a set of four stories for that to be applicable they want it to be three stories uh Apartments not Town Homes um and then section 80 5.6 to allow Parcels under single ownership like the multif family site or the uh service ready site to retain responsibility for the maintenance and upkeep of common areas and then section 42.5 pointd uh this section of the code requires there to be a 1000t distance between a school place or worship or park for the sale of alcohol and so here are the staff analysis um for section 522.com um multif Family apartment should I say uh calculating park space based on the building footprint rather than the number of units uh the developer will at minimum provide 5% of the acreage uh as per the code and will program the park to accommodate social Gathering and passive open space uh section 85.6 Parcels under single ownership such as an apartment complex may act as a responsible entity for the maintenance and upkeep of common areas instead of a CDD or HOA and then section 4 2.5d it's a mixed use development with walkable features and compact development so they would need some flexibility in the distance uh for alcohol sales the applicant would still need to obtain an administrative use permit for the sale of alcohol per 42.5 pointb and so there were two added conditions from the Planning Commission uh the first was an increas buffer uh on the Northern most parcel the Bales parcel uh this is going to be a type 2 connected City buffer with an 8ft Decora Mason wall instead of a six like the code points out and then two is we're prohibiting motorized boat access to the local LS for residents living within the mpud this has no effect on uh current residents in the area it is strictly for the MP residents and so this is coming a recommendation with approval with conditions okay any questions for staff okay thank you for the applicant Commissioners Mr chairman Clark hobby hobby and hobby again uh if we can get to my presentation um I was just thinking as staff was presenting

this I have been sworn and I'll be sworn at I'm sure uh we can go to the next slide but commissioners before I get going this this uh presentation and the project reminded me of The A Team which I used to be a big fan of in the 80s and the the kival The Colonel on there like to say at the end I love it when a plan comes together this project uh had a previous interation about two two and a half years ago and I'll get more into the specifics of it at the time but the larger part of the site that we're talking about was going to be primarily a multifam and Retail driven site there two different partials that you heard staff talking about there's the Bales site which is owned by an affiliate of Falcone development and then there's the southernly site the larger one that's owned by the Wildcat Groves entity and I represent and am very proud to say this I'm working with John's Hopkins All Children's Hospital and they are the contract purchasers of the Wildcat Grove site when the mpud started in its first interation again there was a large retail and multif family component That was supposed to be built on the Wildcat site and staff held out and basically told the applicants at the time that they were not happy with what the yield was for the site and that staff wanted more and better employment on the site and we got lucky that in the intervening time the previous contract purchaser for Wildcat went away and we got really lucky that all children's John All Children's Hospital John's Hopkins was looking around in the area and found this site and in my mind this is going to be one of the most transformative things about this area of the county and the connected City plan that we could have ever hoped for and I believe it it'll positively influence this area for an extensive amount of time so as I mentioned to you before they're two different partials involved in this mpud and I represent Wildcat grow Joel 2 and Christy Barrera height represent the baale site and they'll speak in a few minutes about their portion of the site but staff already showed you this slide and a couple of these but again the objectives for the two areas that we're dealing with and and I have highlighted here the South Innovation Zone it always called for major health care and employment on the Wildcat site and we more or less have just gotten really lucky that it fell in our lap and the big benefit of it coming along is that staff previously determined that there was a large section of mckendry road that needed to be built and neither developer could do it independently and by us now working together we're making mckendry happen and we're going to have a large service ready site acreage uh location there and again and you saw the plan for mckendry earlier um staff already talked about the intent of connected city which was to create an innovation Zone and the overarching theme of connected city was that the board and the staff knew that the new 52 was going to be built and it was going to be framed on the south end by the

overpass interchange and it's just an incredibly important Corridor and Interchange to plan around and so now you know when we look back at what the legislature told the board to do in 2015 and that we at all cost wanted to enhance the prospect for creation of jobs in this area we're doing it with Pasco town center and we're doing it with this project and we're also doing what connected City said which is we're supposed to bring people together and higher density in proximity to where the jobs are we're following all of the planning princip principles that were laid out um you've seen this table before and again there's a large amount of what is called multif family which actually includes Apartments tow houses and duplexes in this area look at the tnd column right 000000 Z yeah so if somebody does it they don't pay anything right is that what it say I don't know yeah yes well let's get on it then okay oop that's better they do go back to slide in any event just trying to summarize I wanted to give the board a little bit more historical information about this because I know some of the neighbors are concerned about the growth and what the County's objectives are in this area just remember this site was never part of one of the four identified rural areas even though there are people living out there that know there's no question they live in what is a rural feeling area this was not one of the areas that was supposed to be protected and kept as rural never was wasn't identified in 2006 on the new comp plan for that purpose as I mentioned in the previous uh uh item on the development agreement we're going to be building the major roadway Network on the site that's needed um but I I did want the board to also understand because of the timing involved with the mpud and where we found the project when uh All Children's came to the site we're having to make the entitlements we need to work for the hospital work on the traffic study that was previously done and we can't exceed the entitlements that were studied in that in the previous traffic study without updating it and having new conditions that can be imposed on us and we know that we've accepted those conditions there's no mystery there we've told staff that agreed with that staff about that from the get-go now uh one uh or two last things before christe may want to speak a little bit about things but there's been exp extensive discussion with our neighbors including the closest neighbor to the Bales site and I just want the board to know that Joel Christie and I are committed to continue to work with them after today uh to solve what are really the open issues that have to do with things like setbacks in that area we've already agreed to an 8ft wall the Bales folks have which is really unprecedented in the county we feel like we've already put a really good foot forward but we'll continue the conversation with them and if there's a way to get on the same page with them and the next 15 20 days privately we will do that but I can't continue this item because because we're

dealing with contractual timelines that could literally mean that the hospital would not be built so I need to proceed today now uh the last thing I wanted to say is we did have a planning report from Clear viw Land Design and and height design and I'm going to be asking them to give that to the clerk and enter it into the record simply to demonstrate that we are meeting the comprehensive plan objectives for connected City and dealing with issues like compass ability chrisy do you want to here you are didn't need a motion for the paperwork if you could if you could receive and filed yeah receive and filed second all in favor say I I and opposed Christy barrero with height design I have been sworn um I think Gavin and Clark did a great job about explaining connected City in the two zones that these projects are in again Wildcat is in the South Innovation Zone which was supposed to be given priority as a development Zone because it's at the intersection of overpass and macab uh and then the Bales property is just North of that which is the very beginning of the business core Zone and in the business core the idea was to have Target industry high-intensity uses as well as high density residential to support the employees who would be working at those facilities so we feel like this is a great mixed use project at a very key intersection in Pasco County I know you're just reviewing the couple of pages uh that clear viw and height put together but if you have any questions I'm happy to answer them Comm waitman I always have questions thank you now explain last time we talked about last minute we talked about this commissioner starky brought up the good point of the variety of multif family product that's supposed to be laid out in Connected City I'm hoping that due to the unique nature of the business that's coming in here that will start to see the diversity that can be of what the multif family product that's out there can can we speak to that a little bit and then also too I know maybe my my mind's a little foggy on the The Green Space the and the Green Space formula as compared to the the parking and how that all works its way out into sure how it's supposed to be that way we're not eroding away you know the field Goods of this so the bails property is proposing 550 residential units there'll be a combination of town homes and apartments on that property and that is again the northern edge of this mpud resoning slightly offset of the future alignment of mckendry Road and uh just to reiterate the bal's property is just residential in Connected City there's the service ready site area which is required all of that is down at the closer to the intersection of mchendry and overpass because that's where the most traffic will be generated the most trips and walkability at that intersection closer to The Interchange of 75 so all the non-residential is to

the South the residentials farther south or farther north your question about Green Space um the parks department has looked at this project Pro as well as others connected city has a slightly different neighborhood park space um than the rest of Pasco County so in Connected City if you do multif Family Apartments um you can have and that are four stories or higher then 5% of that footprint needs to be allocated for neighborhood park space what we're asking today is to modify that to include apartments that are three stor ories are higher in other places in Pasco County that apartments are requested for many years the parks department has agreed that the Land Development code is a little bit outdated and mostly focuses on single family detached homes to have one um acre of neighborhood park space for a 100 residential units if you were to do that for an apartment site it would eat up a much larger percentage of that apartment property as neighborhood park space the other thing that the parks department has done and the connected city does is to have allow for smaller size neighborhood parks um and especially in this area where you have the higher density intensity looking for squares and plazas and different types of gathering spaces I think that's the most important thing is they still want to have the playgrounds and the areas large enough to have a pickup game of soccer but they also want to have those Gathering spaces that are closer to the non-residential uses so the one variation that we're requesting is for what's already allowed in Connected City for apartments only but instead of four story apartments we would also be able to do that for three story apartments or higher does that answer your question about so what so since we're going three three levels the outdoor that outdoor Green Space I'm still it still wasn't clear as to what what that amenity will be for those residents living in there they going to come in I just don't want to be I mean just parking lot parking lot parking lot right so the connected part of the connected City be I'm trying to understand right so um in this apartment complex they're going to have a clubhouse they're going to have a u playground they're going to have all of the typical uh Gathering spaces Park spaces that you you would see in a typical apartment complex so they're still going to have all of those the other great thing is this project is on uh two Lakes so the the views of the Lakes the use of the Lakes is something that will be unique to this project as well and this has been approved in multiple zoning connected City and similar approval in other apartment zonings and other places in Pasco County previously um commissioner star well just because we messed up other places doesn't mean we should mess up here um in my opinion um however this one is a little different because of the lb so

um but you know I think we need to look at that um and I have a question for you on the town homes are they rent or own rent or I'm not sure if we know what this I know it doesn't matter decision I I know we can't distinguish that but no one's building condos anymore I I don't know if the Market's dead for condos or something but where where are the doctors going to live if and you know there I maybe maybe it's just that we're not seeing the other stuff but all all we see are the are the forent St for the apartments I I don't I hope I hope that some somewhere in this community are the homes for are are homes where people who you know have a hire are looking for some other than rental or entry level I hope someone's building that Mr two Mr chairman may I on behalf of the bills parcel Joel 2 Palm Harbor land use consultant and to get to that point I think and we fall into this trap frequently we can't just look at the connected city as a microcosm that is one individual parcel that's one part of this project the housing stock for connected city is the entirety of connected City and you in fact already have so much single family detached in Connected City that we consumed 100% of the entitlements we couldn't build a single family detaching if we wanted to unless you see fit to modify that going forward as we've discussed so I think the answer is is the more fluent professionals are going to buy a million dooll home in marada or something in erson so there is housing stock we're simply trying to provide the other component because we're so close to the live work environment uh the short answer is those town homes have to be platted as individual units so they're available for fee simple sale and even if originally they're rented they very easily can be converted and sold so you're going to have a fee simple product on the townhouse component so you are at least on this one you're getting somewhat of a variety that you're not getting on some of the others uh but I think that this is so close to that Interstate interchange you think about that would you buy a million dooll home that you can throw a rock and hit the overpass interchange from your backyard maybe Dr Patel that well yeah if you'll pay us a million will put you one there on the lake I've got a contract in my pocket but I mean in all fairness given the physical proximity so that's one issue is given the physical proximity the other issue here is although it looks like the bell's parcel is the tail on the dog the problem is we are a 50/50 partner with the hospital in the construction of this multi-million dollar Road segment and utilities we only have 500 units you do that math on how much our share of that is going to be per unit we simply can't afford to help build that road and those utilities if we don't have this density on bells and finally it it is what your plan call

for your plan did not specify you know Fe simple single family product on this side I'm not against the density I'm against the product I I I I think you're hearing us frustrated at the product mix I I understand you have verticle mix use you could have brownston you could have garden homes there's so many more kinds of homes that we're not seeing we're seeing rental apartments but with respect commissioner the yield you would get from that product on this parcel would not allow you to fund 10% of that road segment and then you wouldn't have the employment use because we are effectively subsidizing that employment use on the other parcel by agreeing to pay for are you putting any any housing above like like live works are you doing any live works or anything in your employment what do you call live work offices below no we're not we don't have a we don't have any we don't have a non-residential entitlement for a parcel the other parcel has those entitlements and they may well build that adjacent to the medical office but but that's that's the hospital parcel they also have residential units and they have mixed use and they have retail and they have office and they have health care but ours is just that Northern piece so I I think I I I think you have to look at it holistically not only the entire project is it bringing a benefit to the table because like Clark said without this approval today given their contract deadlines this still likely is dead and we go we've already gone back to go three times my client started this almost three years ago they've already own their parcel over a year and they've been sitting here waiting for the right user to get traction on the other side so I mean I think we brought a very good plan to you I think it's exactly what you asked for to support this $65 million investment that the County's made in that interchange and you know we we've really done all we can do and that's that's the last thing I'm going to see and then sit down is this issue about the buffering the northern neighbor that goalpost keeps getting moved and every time they request something and my client agrees it gets moved again we will agree to what we agreed to at Planning Commission which is Way Beyond what your code requires and that's that 8ft wall and that type two buffer now yeah we haven't heard from that person right in my view it's a site plan issue and we're willing to keep working on it but what we're prepared to do is what we did at Planning Commission thank you thank you are there any other questions question that I can answer um I'll just bring up one point that I think I think I read in the paper commission waitman you made mention of it about uh how there are no more single family homes available in Connected cities which I think is a huge issue uh as we talked if I cut let me finish um and I think what we need to do is really take a look at that I think it's time for a workshop and probably quickly one thing I feel if you have

less density then you have less need for more infrastructure so they can be a balance that can work and I think from everything we're seeing it's probably a good time to go take a look at that uh coming up it's not going to affect what what happens right here right now but it is something I think it's worthy of looking at that is that is going to be isue for down the road I think there's a DAT commissioner you know what Sor I think there's a date didn't we have a date for that yeah we're going to we're going to you know we we only see it little pieces so it would be wonderful if we had a look at what's going on cuz we see a little piece here a little piece there like you know there may be nice big homes in Connected City I don't remember it's been a long time um all I remember are these kind of projects so I would like to get a idea of what the big picture is I know you know originally there was a tight Village core and green space around it Oak space we we let them we got rid of that green open space very little that tells identifies one Village to another then we got rid of the tnd requirements which is you know the rear loaded um product with the walkable streets that makes a you know like Old Northeast or High Park we we that was in this and we got rid of it so or it was in doop I may be mixing them up I sometimes I mix them up but I'm looking here and it says live Works vertical mixed use those are things that you see in in a walk book Community but but so so we got rid of that stuff in dopa so we changed that a lot um I have no idea what we've done here it in the big picture so I'd love to see it these guys might know it but there's a graphic know there's a graphic that clear viiew created that I'm trying to get up uh for everyone to see but you have approved quite a bit in Connected City erson and marata were the first two and those were almost two3 of the entirety of connected City and they took up most of the single family detached which was was always the plan because they're the farthest east in Connected City so they were the north Innovation Zone and the South Innovation Zone closer to the interstate was where the business Corps was supposed to be we wanted the you know technology in the Target industry to be right off of you know the new brand new interchange that was just updated at 52 and then the new interchange that was constructed at overpass so to have you know the bookends of those interchanges was really important to get industry in those locations Pasco Town Center came in a year ago with their mpud rezoning and they have 4 million square feet of industrial going in you guys were at the groundbreaking a couple weeks ago for that it's now called double Branch now the Wildcat Bales mpud is the southern bookend we're going to have a great Hospital there and we're going to have residential in Pasco town center and in the Bales wildcab property to support all of that non-residential use so it's a little bit hard to see but the blue everything that's outlined in blue are approved projects so like I said um erson is on the east side that's you

know the blue area which is the South Innovation Zone and also some of the community Hub which is yellow marata is just North of that in the green those are the two big ones Pasco town center is right along 75 Bale's Wildcat is outlined in yellow and then you have smaller ones the lism Pud the ailum Pud um so quite a bit has already been approved and is coming before you so there there's a lot of good work that has gone on in this area is that the road Network or those those are just no those are the boundaries of the zoning you yeah so as a matter matter of fact later on today in the same area we're going to have one from Clark that he's got that he's going to be looking for the density that you like possibly a roundabout could be put in there and the gentleman wants to go to where have the option to go to single family homes so I don't know what it's going to take for us to be able to make that change but as you mentioned before commissioner starky and I think the the board board has talked about as well when you have nice quality homes for people to live in for the executives that come down here maybe they coming down to look at their locating the business if you have the high-end homes people are going to want to come here locate their companies here and as much as we're accommodating for the jobs we're creating I think we got to put another focus on let's go look at what's going to bring us the high quality executive type home that's going to want to live in these areas and they will live but they're not going to live jam-packed they're going to want have space so I think it's time we actually start looking at this plan as well as vop and say how do we look for these things to come into play we have we have some of those coming in the future we did you I'm just say well the thing that scares me is just as we said with this you're all built out a single family so let's go find out what we can do to maybe look at these mod vacations coming up right remember though sty remember that's we're getting the money pay for the roads so you you lower the density you get less you can't build those roads if you have less people less density you don't need you don't need as much density it get lowers it down I think that should already so well we'll see okay all right any other questions okay any else okay all but that's a planning ex you can you can demonstrate it one way or another I think and Jane you've asked for 14 minutes we've given you that as your representing a client and other people thank you very much how many people well I don't know if there's any other people but um can I have the appointment just for the record which time I gave the get applicant extra time to to balance out and um before you begin if you could state your name and address for the record and whether or not you've been sworn yes of course good afternoon my name is Jane Ram I am of sunshine city law 737 Main Street Safety Harbor I represent Tanya riddlesworth and Patrick

Gant and I have been sworn um Tanya riddlesworth and Patrick Gant are married couple who own Homestead Property directly north of the Bales parcel at 8734 mckendry Road um bottom line there are significant flaws in front of you today and we're requesting that you do either deny or continue this hearing until they're ured number one is there's a serious flaw in the traffic study that um you don't have the information in front of you relating to the types of uses and there is a condition that tries to account for it but my client has hired a traffic engineer and he assessed and it it does not appear that the numbers are like for like so I just number one that's a major problem there are also unsupported Park acreage variances and inconsistencies in the comprehens of plan my clients have tried to dialogue with um Wildcat and bales over the last year and a half and they actually have had some productive conversations and I I do want to really thank uh Clark Hobby and Christy barrero um at some point we came up short and we felt like concerns of compatibility and transition were not addressed con connected city is a tremendous opportunity for Pasco County as a pilot program authorized by state statute to make sure that that you're being considerate but you have to be considerate of impacts to existing property owners and the comprehensive plan is still binding and compatibility all of these sections up here are also still binding um things that you should look at especially are compatibility through appropriate design looking at increased setbacks limited building Heights and innovated site design this is exactly what my client is asking for um likewise in the comprehensive plan connected City Section it also speaks to the need for compatibility and form and character with surrounding neighborhoods or in the immediate context um as was already spoken about and I'll just touch on this quickly this is part of the the Bales parcel is part of the business core um of the connected City and it's actually one of the first if not the first business core Parcels that you're looking at so you really want to make sure you're getting the most out of this and it's complying the other item as well about it is that the business business core has open space options which are parks and plazas and Farms this is the the view from my client's property as you can see there's a lake and actually these two Lakes on this parcel or or by the the parcels are really one of two sets of lakes throughout the whole area so it's really in the connected City so it's really special and unusual um to comply with this it's important to use the natural Open Space Systems to the best way so um this is my client her property is 5 acre Homestead Property AR residential Flume they have chickens goats and horses um this is a closeup of it you can see the lake the the canal um to to look at this of the surrounding zoning it's AR and they are ER the purposes are as ER is a transitional area between Agriculture

and Suburban AR is to accommodate individuals of rural estate living these are the setbacks um and again we want to your comprehensive plan requires that there's ensured a harmonious transition between existing development and new development so this is binding on you um so because of that we will and and this is the future land use map because of that we'll speak to what we're asking for um something that I do want to touch on is there's a contradiction because the future land use map for my client's parcel in Bales is actually a residential one which is really supposed to be for single family homes but it's also in the business core connected city which doesn't allow single family homes and so because of that tension the thought is if you're going to have residential what is the closest to that and so that's why my client and others have really looked at duplexes or on story roow houses that are closer to what the intention of the residential one idea is um now in looking at the setbacks this is the connected City opt in versus boundaries and if you look around the perimeter and and I don't have everything here but what's interesting is that I couldn't find any example of a current property owner who has um a 5 acre parcel and there was a 10t setback between them and a town home I just I didn't see it anywhere I saw examples where there was a Community Development District in between it where there's a road in between these types of parcels here that area is 140 ft that's by marada as an example um here's another one where there's a road um this is sandill Flats also that's not a uh that that's not a homestead property so it's slightly different um and this is King Lake also not a homestead where you have it brushing up but as far as a actual property owner we don't have an I I couldn't find an example and I I challenge your staff to show an example of something similar of a Homestead Property residential one future land use AR zoning with acreage of five or more that's had a 10- foot setback next to a multif family in Connected City I couldn't find it every other example was like a Community Development District LLC or dases um really quickly the the request for park space variation is also significant reduction uh commissioner waitman had some questions about that and if you actually look at the numbers where this is all in front of you and I'll give you copies for four more stories it's 5% of the acreage for park space less than that that less than four Stories the code says that for a half acre um from 26 to 99 dwelling units plus 100th of an acre for each additional dwelling unit over 99 so if you do that in comparison for if you do the variance they get two acres of park space if you don't do the variance you have 5.1 Acres of park space so you're actually giving away three acres of park space with no support and no no good reason given there um there are also critical flaws in the transportation analysis I am going to submit into the record a letter from 27e veteran engine

traffic engineer Drew roor who has looked at the traffic analysis and also your condition and the fact that there's a discrepancy of what land uses were evaluated and then what is actually being asked for the hospital isn't being asked for and um this conflicts because you need to look at the description of land use trip generation and internal capture passer by um now the I the what what you will hear from from staff is that well there's a land use equivalency Matrix but that doesn't work if there's a difference ultimately in numbers and here our um Drew roor said that it was 550 different uh 550 trips that were a deficit um this is the the map the uh the diagram that he did so finally what should be done here well we think the best thing you can do is actually ask for a continuance and make sure that the traffic study is done right we want you to deny the Park acreage variance as totally unjustified um we'd also ask for the following conditions be added um setback of 100 ft plus duplexes starting at 100t setback um Town Homes no closer than 200 and again this goes to the ideas of compatibility and transitions transitions are really important that needs to be looked at um also Landscaping left um and for the boat the idea that we we looked at and we think that we might have gotten there with um with the applicant is that if non-motorized boats are checked out per use and allowed on the Lakes within the footprint of the Mudd and then um boers sign a form agreeing to avoid the canals on private property so that's ultimately where we are right now um my client wishes that there were more time to sit down and hash this out and come to a settlement we have appreciated the opportunity to speak with them but we're not there yet um and also the traffic study has a serious fatal flaw that we think exposes you to an appeal so with that I'd like you to hear from Tanya riddlesworth and unfortunately I actually have to leave but I will call in um so I'll be on the phone be before you go before T speaks I just want to go over something because we did meet with t Etc and we we talked about setbacks what was required Etc and we talked about uh from I think it was a was 50 and ER was 100 ft right but that was from like the front of the property not the side of the property from what talking to Mr hobby showed us right those are the the rear setbacks versus the side setbacks are are 25 right so should be so it should be 25 so everything we talked about I just want to be open with you as we as we talk my impression was if that was the case we should be looking at that but it seems to me following the Land Development code at the 25 foot they're actually meeting what the code says do you agree with that I I think the counter to that is if you um we we don't know the actual orientation of the the town homes or or the the um whatever is going to be there and on top of that it's not just the you know the pure language about setbacks it's actually looking at Transitions and um where you have the idea of having a 5

acre parcel of land a buing up next to a parcel with 550 dwelling units there needs to be further consideration of what kind of transition is there and so it's I I understand what you're saying as as far as what lives in the land use development code but on top of that you have an extra layer of the compatibility and transitions in the comprehensive plan right and as you heard earlier we we we've given out all the single family homes that we can improve in the area at this point we hopefully change that but I I thought if you know if they weren't putting apartments right back to let's say her property they were put in town homes or some twostory I thought that was kind of reasonable I'm just wonder what you guys were think as you as you look at that yeah I mean I think my client's position is that if there is a a bigger setback and then stagger it from duplexes or however you want to call it maybe some other kind of innovative home and then from there have Town Homes she has no problem with it the other thing that's really important is that she is not requesting any kind of reduction of density so I'm not standing up here and saying take away 550 you know even 50 units we're just saying we think that needs to be reconfigured in such a a way that that um there is a good transition and also taking into account the fact that you have this Lake that has you know the need for a trail or set back and it's kind of a distinctive feature on the property thank I just want Mr chair yes I have a a question for in regards to who signed up I want to make sure I've got it correctly because um you said that you're here representing Tanya riddlesworth and Patrick Grant dant is that correct they're they they're signed up on here so since you're representing them I'm not going to call them because one identifies him is on WebEx so I just want to make sure I think and Tanya will go first okay so you you're talking for them it's combined with together yeah so the total 15 minutes 14 14 minutes so they have the now I understand okay oh five minut four minutes would it be possible to have maybe like an extra minute just for them if let's see how goes okay thank you very much thank you good after afternoon Tanya riddlesworth 8734 mckendry Road and I've been sworn thank you um so I I do want to mention that um we do we don't have a problem with growth as Clark mentioned um the citizens here aren't here to say we don't want you to grow we're here to say let's do it responsibly and let's think about all of this together and let's think about the citizens that are here um I also want to mention that you can build single family homes within the connected City you just don't have to opt in which many people have actually done already um there's been several other neighborhoods that um haven't opted into connected City and they've just chosen to build single family homes um another thing I want to mention is that there are million-dollar homes actually right around where that

hospital would go uh one of them is arguably mine and JC's and several others um so these rural homes are very important to keep for you know possible future residences of these doctors um so we do need to make sure that we retain that nature for us um and I also want to point out that there was an email from Gavin that I received today um and I I don't have it for you guys to look at here but I thought it was interesting because it's an email that has a or a document that has a recommended residential density determination for connected City and in there it specifically says that the criteria for determining the minimum maximum density should consider existing neighborhoods and it says need to gental gentle transition and that is exactly what we're seeing here today okay we're not asking for them to lower the density we're asking them for to to consider us as their neighbors in a respectful way which we think providing a 100 foot buffer and then staggering the homes from one story to two story to then three or four or whatever it may be at the South End um so I kind of went off script of what I was going to say but I think that although that was a germine point out there um but I just want to point out that my husband and I bought this property 10 years ago we fell in love with the rural nature of it um we want to try to keep it that way as much as possible we understand that there is growth and we don't intend to necessarily stop it we just want it to be respectful to our property um as Jane pointed out there was another example where there's 140t setback uh right around marata if you look around marada it's all 10 foot everywhere except for this rural area which is the only example currently in Connected City where you have rural next to high density and there you have 140t setback for them and potentially they might put a trail through that or some other Green Space um so since this uh developer is asking for a reduction in Green Space this would be a good example of where you can say hey no reduction in Green Space take that 3 acres put it right there make a nice Trail for your residence um and really put some better thought into this um so that's our 100 setback that we're asking for and I I really don't think that's unreasonable considering that 140t setback on the other property um and I mentioned the one-story buildings next to us staggering and I do want to point out that I found out about this development um about a year and a half ago when my neighbors told me that they sold to a developer at that time I started making plenty of phone calls emails I got in touch finally with hype design and Christy barrero and I have an email from April 16th 2022 a year and a half uh ago where I clearly stated my concerns to her about the privacy wall restricting access to my Canal restricting the building sizes along my property to one story and other concerns these were ignored never addressed we're here today because we decided that we were being

ignored we needed to hire a lawyer and that's where we are today standing in front of you asking you to please um delay this um resoning so that that we can actually work with them and address these concerns that we have uh my husband's going to be on next and he'll be talking more about um sorry he'll be talking more about uh the park space and other issues sorry just I I have the documents to enter into the record that I the motion receiveing file motion receiving F second all in favor say I I I any oppos okay and husband's on the line now yeah he is on the line um I really hope that you can give him a little bit extra time because um I think it'd be important information for you to hear how much time you have left how much time is left on the clock 20 seconds and he is not on on WebEx he's not on WebEx uh it wasn't working for him so he's on the phone call okay is it a 407 area code yes okay then that would be him in line I probably took up a minute or two of questioning you want to give him 3 minutes two in light of my questioning I kind of like threw him off a little bit but I wanted to clarify I thought it was important for the board to hear do you want to give him three minutes up to the board okay all right 3 minutes and this will end it thank you all right Mr G you should be able to um speak and we'll be should be able to heal you Mr Gant we cannot hear you see if you're muted we still are unable to hear you you have been elevated just check your mute sorry got it right there you go yes if you could um state your name and address for the record and then also if you could let us know if you have been sworn sworn in yes Patrick okay Patrick Gant 8734 mckendry Road Wesley Chapel I have not been sworn in all right um do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth so help you God yes I do all right you may proceed thank you thank you good afternoon Commissioners I I appreciate the opportunity to speak again I'm gent the spouse of T rentworth and again we live in property north of the Bales property I'd first like to cite Florida statute 163 32461 E4 promote economic diversity and growth while encouraging the retention of rural character where rural areas exist in discussions we have had with Christy Barrera prior to the planning commissioning meeting height design was intending on pushing a pile of dirt to separate our properties I was astonished about the lack of consideration height design had on our property a property that took up the entire north side of their development my wife Tanya again as she mentioned uh contacted chrisy over a year and a half ago and no with response whatever the excuse Hye design has fallen short of its responsibility to

properly plan how its property affects the people residing over the north side of its development and it's because of their lack of oversight that me and Tanya are here to get today we are Rule and we exist next I like to site Florida statute 163 32461 E5 provide and maintain per uh public urban and rural open space and recreational opportunities this part this park space variance gain had previously discussed will again reduce approximately 3 acres of park space this variance was submitted because height design wants the property to be considered of having to have four-story Apartments reducing the required park space they've submitted this variance even though they have not committed to building above three-story apartments and myself as a licensed general contractor and professional engineer I know that if you build above three stories your building requirement shift from Florida building code residential to Florida building code building Florida building code building is much stricter regulations on materials Construction practices and means of egress in my opinion incurring the additional cost associated with adhering to the flab builing code building is why height design is not committing to building above three stories yet they still apply for a variance to reduce the park space requirement this is not a betterment to our community it's a money maker for them in my opinion and lastly I'd like to discuss that setback issue we're having with height design Jane and Tanya had had discussions with height design and they would not budge on a 10t setback initially um but now we're hearing that possible they might be uh offering 25 ft but this is not an adequate transition between our agricultural property and this dense development again and looking at other examples that uh Tanya and Janet discussed we've seen examples of 140t setback okay um that was the three minute timer okay so public comment will continue and do we have a list of who signed up for this item yes I do um Michael pter he was here let me go to um Jim I didn't get your last name when you're up um did you say you have people signed up for extra time uh not for the not for the I wish I did Jim Mariner 3049 elim Road uh I was sworn uh just to address a couple of of comments and the questions and in the discussion you had uh there and I believe uh the uh Tanya had said there are5 million plus homes that are directly adjacent to this this property um on elim road um many of those folks have had owned the land well predating the connected City plan they also have Built Homes since the connected City plan came into effect um so there should be some consideration even though I don't have a million doll home there should be some consideration on the

transition we are Lakeside Estates and it's kind of crammed right in the and see where it says Tampa Home Inspections where those two roads there that come off Elum um they many longtime residents we've been there we've accepted what the Planning Commission and the Border accouny commissions have have have done with the uh the plans for the zoning this is kind of abrupt uh that property uh commissioner Mariano you were uh saying about the where are the doctors going to live and we don't have the single family homes uh the property that we're talking about was a state residential that's what we're switching from the state residential to con to Connected City and M PUD uh so we are losing what was planned even though it's along the interstate uh it's it's it's now being transferred um the uh entry level homes is what we should be concerned about um as commissioner starky had said uh we don't have to really worry too much about where the doctors are going to live but we do have to uh know where the office workers and the uh The Physician assistants and anybody else that supports these businesses there are millions of square feet of industrial that has and uh has been approved north of here and also uh on Kenton Road um going up so we are now losing the entitlements we have uh zero left for the single family homes it was estimated to take to 240 to fulfill that we accomplished it in less than 7 years at this point at this point uh we have 19,000 approximately because we don't know how many have been approved but the only building that is left besides the the industrial office and Retail is 19,000 multif family homes where are they going to go and we have properties like someone else had had said we have properties where owners are not going to opt in Connected City and how do do you all account for that for the future because if we approve these onesie twosies uh not I I shouldn't say that but if we approve these these things in a vacuum then we're de dealing with some issues coming down the road thank you and that is all I have signed up and um no one is left on WebEx anyone else want to would speak to the item there's a gentleman there that one coming up if there's anyone else please come forward right so this will be the last person for public comment good Joel Joel we'll let them rebut back up again state your name and address and whether or not you can okay uh Juan contas 30121 elim Road uh Wesley Chapel um and I know you were sworn cuz yes I was sworn um on the lake um I'm wondering if we can put a cap on how many people are going to be allowed to come in with their kayaks or John boats you know not motorized um they are small lakes so when you're looking at 1,300 Apartments I don't want to be out there on 4th of July and have you know 50 people on their kayaks and then there's you know

10 residents that live there with their jet skis or boats and somebody's going to end up getting hurt so I don't know if there's a way where we can put a cap on how many people can be on there at one time from the those communities that they're looking to build and the second thing is um if we could piggyback off what um Tanya was saying on her property or the property adjacent to her if whatever is built on the Wildcats the apartment complex if it's approved that they also are built to look like the other ones that are being built across the lake so that we don't have four-story build uh apartment complex on our side next to our house and then you'll have let's say twostory duplexes on the other side of the lake so I would like hopefully that they can be uniform and they look since they are being you know uh applied for together so that they look the same that's a possibility and the other thing is since there's a helicopter going to be coming in there and we do live out there and we do live on a lake and my kids get on the lake and we have drones are we going to not be allowed to use our Dr drones any longer than our property cuz we've been there already and we use them and so I don't know if that's fair to us that have been there already because now FAA is going to be putting regulations on us with our drones and what's the distance around the hospital that we will no longer be able to have a drone thank you thank you okay back to the does no one on WebEx Republic comment no one left on WebEx we Mr chairman I'm going to rebut for the bells parcel because most of these comments not all but most are directed at the bells parcel and then Mr hobby will close for the uh the overall project so to summarize the obor's position on our property we should have a 100 foot set back to duplex units and a 200t setb to town homes when we are clearly in the business core of the connected City plan and there is a chart in the connected City plan that specifically dictates the buffer widths in the business core district and what it says is if we have multif family adjacent to their single family it requires a type two buffer we not only have agreed to the type two buffer but we have voluntarily agreed to add an 8ft wall on top of that not 6ot but 8ft wall so we've already having the conditions more than the code requires so you can you can speculate or wish or want 100 foot or 200t setback but the County's adopted plan initially authorized by the legislature adopted by the county that won national and state Awards specifically says we have to put put a type two buffer specifically if it's multif family against single family and if we end up putting our town homes adjacent to that property which is most likely we don't even have to put the type two buffer what is a type two buffer it is a 10 foot lands

minim Christy barrero so the type two buffer is a minimum of 10 ft and it includes some sort of screening that 6 ft High the screening can be a hedge a fence or a masonary wall we have agreed to an 8ot wall which is much more restrictive I I believe u Miss riddlesworth husband when he was saying we were going to push dirt was maybe talking about the hedge or the BM that was allowed we agreed to a fence and then we agreed to a wall and then we agreed to an 8ft wall so this is above the requirement in the connected City Land Development code for the landscape buffer adjacent to residential attached or detached and again even if we put Town Homes there which is the most likely result when we get into site planning with staff we still are committed because our condition we volunteered in the conditions we still will put the 8ft wall even if it's an adjacent Town Hall product so the request and again this is a continual moving Target so we have the right to do exactly what the connected City plan States and it's very clear on this it's not it's not negotiable it says exactly what our requirement is we're meeting it and exceeding it with the 8ft wall my next point is the residents who are on the lake want to be able to have jet skis and motor boats and drones and yet my client isn't supposed to have any of that my client for the record owns well into the lake my client owns more of that Lake than any of these residents own my client has just as much legal right in the State of Florida under state law to use that Lake not withstanding that to try to be a good neighbor and again to meet the moving goal post we have agreed to limit the use of that Lake to non nonmotorized water vessels only and and that's in our conditions and we're prepared to abide that that so we're going Beyond again the neighbor responds to the canal as and I quote my Canal that is factually inaccurate my client owns half of that canal and she owns half of that Canal so that is not her Canal it's my canal and we have the same right to use that that she has this is what you're getting here you're getting you're getting this me me me thing and and they know they're in the business core they were there when it was approved they knew it was getting approved and if some people built million dooll homes in there as the last speaker said after the connected city was approved well then Lord knows they knew it was the business Corp and that they were doing so at their own risk I would question if you get a chance because they testified under oath the representations in the left and at the podium that this is their Homestead our team has researched and found short-term rental advertisements for this property don't know if it's registered with the county as a short-term rental but it's being advertised that way and has been for quite some time so I don't know if the objector actually lives in that home if

it's truly their Homestead but I think that's something if they're going to represent that that's the case to try to Curry favor someone needs to answer that question under oath and under penalty of perjury because either the ad is a mistake or they've testified falsely to the commission the attorney's argument that their res one flu current res one flu is inconsistent with connected City business core is another clear mistake if you recall connected city is an overlay and what you told everyone and what your plan says is if you have pre-existing in this case res one you didn't take it away from them they have it they can live under and they can build under it so it's only if they elect to invoke the additional density of the overlay and pull that business core designation down then they can develop the same as we are so there is no legal inconsistency they have their existing res one flu unless and until they elect to pull down the business core entitlements we're electing to pull those down which your plan allows and we're specifically agreeing to abide by the letter of the law as to what that business core requirement is in terms of setb now with that said and then I'm going to let Clark close we've said all along that we have obviously tried to negotiate a resolution we still have site plans to go through we'll have to nail down exactly what product is going how tall that product will be what the setback will be with staff we're happy to continue this dialogue with the neighbor and TR obviously it's to our advantage if ultimately we can reach some accommodation that they will accept not challenge a site plan or something else and we'll continue to work on that but at the zoning stage we are today we are absolutely in entitled to this approval based on the connected City plan and we respectfully urge you to approve it as those conditions are stated now coming out of Planning Commission and allow us the opportunity to work with staff and the neighbor going forward in the hopes of resolving something if if we can't resolve something that works for them and us we're going to build per the code and if they want to fight about it then there'll be a fight about it that that's just the way it has to work but we will do our best and we assure you we'll do our best to try to Res all that because we want the hospital to come so we're we're motivated to help make this happen um question on the picture that was given to us and I did just look up the listing online uh for Airbnb um there are a lot of trees along there's there's a big buffer there now of these trees is that still standing or are those trees on your property or their property yes that's a wetland on the property and that will remain well there's a huge now I'm talking about the ones between your property and the closer to the larger part of the lake along the canal is that what you're talking about okay so there there's a big buffer there big buffer

already there so that's a wetland that would not have the landscape buffer there's 725 ft approximately from existing mckendry road to where that Wetland starts and that's where our 10-ft buffer with the 8ft wall will be I just saying this there is quite a bit of tree vegetation along the canal going out to the lake as well Mr chairman I'll be I'll be Clark hubby again I'll be very brief uh one of the neighbors raised the issue about the drones and whether it could flick with the helicopter traffic I would remind the neighbors I stated this at the Planning Commission that uh one of the family members of Wildcat Groves owns a piece of property next door to this at AB buts the Wildcat Grove site and it has a conditional use permit already for helicopter uh uses and it has existed I believe since 1980 and there was a helicopter service that flew out of the site for many many years uh actively I think until last year year before and so it the Drone traffic may already be prohibited by the conditional use permit I don't know I'm not trying to shut them down but I think that's just kind of a red hering but the bigger thing I want to say the board Mr Spa Mr Spa of his deceased brother right Mark's Brother Andy Mark's Mark's Brother Andy yes he was a helicopter pilot in Vietnam and then he flew a commercial operation there and did a lot of work for Swift Mud and other governmental agencies but I just wanted to bring it down to a more simple thing this is a day we ought to be celebrating we're at a Monumental place we all know that we need hospitals in this County we've got a major uh growth uh spurt that's ongoing in the county and there are General hospitals that serve the general population but this is a regional facility that we expect May draw people from as far as 150 miles away and we're very very lucky to have it not only wanting to come to Pasco County but in the exact location that we needed so in my mind this is a day to be celebrated and the issues we're discussing today we've already put a great foot forward with our neighbors but these are we'll look back years from now and only thing we're going to remember is that this board voted to approve this project for the hospital and the other uses that go with it and you'll be proud of that for the rest of your life and and frankly um commiss start yeah um the gentlemen and the woman with the Airbnb also mentioned that their homes were worth a million dollars more looking at it's a beautiful home I actually think your hospital is going to greatly increase the property values of these large lot land owners in this area right for I mean I I appreciate and I'm happy to answer any questions you may have one question the gentleman from the neighborhood lake side of state was worried about too many kayaks being put out there and I think you've done over and above not to have motorized out there uh is there a number you be comtable limiting it to so it doesn't like it I I don't think we can do that

under Florida law commissioner we own out into the lake I the only thing I would say just remember if people are fixating on the amount of multif family in the project as a whole the hospital is going to be converting a great number of their multif family units that were in the original application for the hospital so we're not going to have 700 units and stuff like like that if we have any multif family on our site it's much more likely going to be in the nature of like a tower that would be connected to the hospital and our client the hospital doesn't believe that it should be treated any worse than any other landowner in the state and for that reason they don't want a limitation on the number of kayakers and just also we went above and beyond the other Lake condition that the board is imp imposed on other lakefront properties in the County by completely prohibiting non-motorized uh boats um I mean motorized boats I should say so we feel like we've already gone beyond the Call of Duty here so okay okay to the board I would move approval of the project I'll I'll second that with with a discussion to the motion to makeer first okay okay to the second um the fact of the hospital the Children's Hospital coming there is great for Pasco County and the citizens of Pasco County we all Bayer were supposed to go on the same site in time past but they chose to go on down mayy right across mbell and then we had Orlando Health buy out Florida Medical and they're moving to 56 Street and and in construction uh there's a lot of hospitals coming to this area and the benefactor of all these Hospital come in here they're going to be competing against each other to give the best service to our citizens and our citizens are the benefactor of all that service they're going to get and better health care for everybody so it's it's a great spot a great All Children's Hospital is great hospital for our children and and one thing that was brought to my attention as well is because it is in the connected city they're actually paying Mobility fees if it was not in Connected City separate from it they wouldn't so they're actually helping quite a bit in the infrastructure as well yeah I agree all right any further discussion what about the transportation everything's closed I'm sorry all right uh have a motion have a second all in favor say I I I any opposed motion passes going to number P103 item P 103 was published in Tay times on October 4th 2023 and by Affidavit of certified mailings and site postings Mr chairman um yeah we need to do P90 before we do 103 okay so we h p P90 and then simultaneously right right behind it we'll do 103 okay P90 was published in the Tay times on July 5th 2023 and by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings good afternoon Commissioners for work of plan Development

Department I'm here to go over the P90 it's an ordinance main passan comprehensive plan and this is EXC an ordinance an ordinance amending pass County comprehensive plan providing for a comprehensive plan Amendment to the Future land used math 215 and Sheet 05 from rest one residential 1D B for gross acre to PD plan development on approximately 188.000 Acres of real property located east of US Highway 41 South of 7 Oaks Trail north of Alabama Road and a text amendment created in sub area policy uh future 7.1 point or Fu 7.1.6 7 seven diamonds uh Commerce Park PD and a map Amendment to the Future land use map 29 adding Subara map 2-9 parenthesis 67 7 diamonds Commerce Park PD and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for uh repal superability and effective date the uh proposal is a comprehesive plan Amendment uh the changing from rest one to PD to allow for the development of a industrial park to include a mixture of both heavy and light industrial uses approximately 1.88 Acres uh located on the east side of the US Highway 41 and creating of area policies uh Fu 7 7.1.6 7 created of area map [Music] 2-9 parentheses 67 and there is a company case uh the petition for mpud ACC company in this plan Amendment next please uh this is on the uh north of uh Highway 41 and next please in the North Market area and Ro transition area here is the uh areial of the property next and the current sing is R2 low density residential future land use uh shown is rest one next and the proposed uh future land use is PD plan is owner this sua concept plan is uh heavy industrial and light industrial uh light industrial on the North and South sides uh CSX Railway is on the east side of the property uh highway a41 is on the west side of the property next the comprehensive plan is uh consistency the proposed amendment is consistent with the following comprehensive plan policy uh pre .2 regarding the use and development policy con 1.3.6 Woodland impact policy Con 1.3.2 in compartible uses policy fut use 1.8.7 Economic Development uh policy Fu 1.8.10 preservation of capacity for employment generation uses a limitation on the conversion of I'm sorry policy Ed 1.4 for four limitation and the conversion of important employment locations next then recommendation is uh approve the proposal comprehensive plan Amendment and adopt the ordinance by ro board any questions on lus um I'll ask two questions and maybe

it's going to be more appropriate in the zoning but I just two things recently at the no we talked about do had studied this road to be expanded to four lanes a long time ago um in Florida to Detroit it's the only one that's still a two-lane road the road looks like they're going to now go back to that study possibly expand it uh are we going to be able to get the land we need if it does get expanded what was the question are we going to be able to get the land we need if it does get expanded uh is that part of like a a setback have in the WebEx from transportation who can help us might be on our cors already okay I I don't have a question to that I can certain but certainly if they haven't talked about it then okay and I'll throw one other IDE too I I notice when we talk between both it talks about your adjacent to CSX raway and there's no buffer to them which I think is good I just want to make sure that if anything comes up that they have access to it and by for so that it does work for the site if it becomes a passenger rail line or just even commercial traffics available to them I want to make sure they have access to okay again I don't have the answer to that but I'll annotate it here and make sure that we get that uh that answer or maybe the applicant has okay for that ready for me come on I'm still here bar will height 6327 Grand Boulevard Newport Florida 34652 I want to say congratulations to Richard's on the record here I hired him I'm the one that convinced him to come here from Miami and move his family here so I'm kind of proud well but the other side of it 22 years he's been here and that means I'm getting really old so but anyhow I just want to put that I'm just really proud of him and that I came at 10 o'clock this morning in order to wish him well so um seven diamonds yes you've been sworn I know a long time ago she does not I'm sorry my apologies no worries thank you we're checking on the we'll get the time of the MPD unless there's somebody on staff you know maybe a mirror's on somewhere in the sky and can look at the RightWay preservation tables my computer died a little while ago it's been sitting here um but we'll get the answer to the RightWay preservation tables and what they say it's pretty wide right away through there and yes CSX that's purposely why we put no buffer in the Buri to no buffer so that we have access over time and this property will be this way for a while I me think when you see the how this property will go over time it's going to be suited for the using the materials from the mine across the street but then eventually it'll evolve onto something else it'll have a life um longer than just one use and so it's proximity and being adjacent to the the railroad will be a benefit to the property over time you this is another hundreds of Acres that are is going for

productive job creating use and you and use that we need you know we all use the products and we all my house has pavers going down right now um we all use the products and we have to have a place for the products and you know I always hear the one person complaining about our mind but we picked our mind location because of where the lime rock is it's very good high quality lime rock that goes in the materials that we use um to have our houses built and to improve our houses so uh this is our fourth hearing on this um we're available for any questions I do have a wonderful team with me I have a great client here which I keep hoping we're going to have more development but every time I stand up here this could be the last time I represent you so um a good friend and a good client and it's been a pleasure and we're here for any questions and we'll try to figure out your right away issue on 41 yeah and and just the RightWay issue it was something that came up after we had spoken as we've met before so was something that come up in a conversation and uh do said yeah let's bring it up at the no so we did so I have a condition of approval that requires me to give the right of way as required but I want you the answer of what is required I know I want you to answer not just for me to tell you a condition that says I have to comply right answer I have no doubt David put that in a long time ago so I'm not worried about I just want to make pretty much more to make you guys aware of it that that did occur okay so L you Amendment first this is a public hearing would anyone here like to speak to this item I have one person signed up for P90 Stephanie shatzman i' also like to speak 4 103 Stephanie shotsman 15234 scanio Drive Spring Hill Florida uh Pasco County Commissioners on May 7th 2013 approved Lego birie mine a sand mine that turned they approved it to a limestone mine on that date when it was an enactive foreclosure lawsuit Pasco had leans against it that couldn't p sand mine fees and they couldn't pay their property taxes but Pasco went ahead and approved it 11 months later it went bankrupt that plan for that property was eventually $191 million homes we were told that Pasco County was going to work on stopping a proliferation of mines in our area at that meeting that's misleading BS nothing ever happened and so we got seven diamonds Dr James P gills Jr and Lou friedland's uh Limestone mine so now here we are with a concrete plant this is a rural area there are many people that just barely survive and to me you're just taking advantage of them it's plain and simple this whole area is rural just down the road is Tela then Milo Thomas has got plans and so the development p uh um uh plans for our area was development to go up we're right on 41 take the airport um this property is one acre or more so you could have had business people you could

have had this beautiful thing crossbar actually wellfield AB buts this property and in October they pump 2.74 million gallons per day we've lost our Lakes um I've lost my ponds we're at critical L uh level on our our Lakes this area needs to be protected we don't need more Wells for a concrete plant that probably is going to have an overwhelm overwhelming amount of water being pumped out so I'm I'm going to go into more on the other side but this area should be protected uh in two 2011 you said States the future expansion of the Limestone mining activity shall be be discouraged or prohibited in order to maintain the vision and character of the area as well as to protect the ecological form of the area now look at us two Limestone mines and now a proposed concrete plant you're completely changed our whole area this is not for the bit AB of the existing residence this isn't the betterment for anybody except for money hungry people thank you is there anyone else here to speak to P90 Mr chair no one else signed up and no one on webx okay all right so now we're going to move to P 103 those are the zoning Amendment don't we have to have a vote on this for let's let's hear the zoning Amendment too and we go one one by one this is a PG so if you want to hear the if you want to hear the zoning Amendment that's consistent with the comprehensive plan you'll have to take separate motions but that's you still have to okay I'll do the publication again P103 was published in Tampa Times on October 4 2023 and by affid Affidavit of certified mailings and site postings thank you good afternoon again Roberto Planning Development par uh this is a PDD 247 649 7 diamonds Commerce Park mpud for S Diamond LLC a petition for resoning from R2 low density res residential district to mpud master plan unit development District to allow for the development of light industrial unlimited heavy industrial uses on approximately 18871 Acres located on the west side of US Highway 41 approximately 4.5 miles north of State Road 52 you like a presentation on that so again the site is uh in the Central Market area north on Highway 41 next please uh this is the picture of the site next uh current zoning uh District next please and this is the future land use again granted that we go with P90 this is the master plan with uh have certain heavy industrial and light industrial on the Northern side North and South next there's a variation requested the applicant is seeking the following variation from Land Development code uh from the Land Development code 91.6 D1 the street design and dedication requirements design and construction continuation of existing Street pattern and Street access to a joining property from LEL section 90118 and any other applicable sections of the Landon

code also from Landon code 85.6 restrictions on PA development wetlands and Upland buffers within residential lots and non-residential parcels and from Land Development code 90 5.2 landscaping and buffering next please and sta recommend approval with conditions on the requested sing resoning petition all any questions for staff okay the appli again Barbera will height again 6020 Grand Boulevard New pory I do have the answer now now to be sworn I have yes thank you I know sworn for everything um the answer commissioner is as usual your RightWay preservation tables anticipate buildout that's 220 ft of RightWay for a six Lane buildout and we have to to accommodate 110 feet from the uh Center Line of the rideway in our condition number 17 bunch of your staff participated in helping I didn't do that all on my own so I just want to call out to them um the we have a lot of conditions here we worked on this for two years to say that nobody cared about these neighbors is not true David will attest to the fact of how many times he made me rewrite things and had our experts rewrite things this is probably the most regulated um concrete plants and concrete um batching and those different types of things anywhere in this County and we were happy to uh do it this seven diamonds just does First Class operations and um they were happy to put all of these conditions on this project that you see in your packet and we had we're going down to the wire like just a couple weeks ago I think even after Planning Commission working on some more so we're happy to be here and we have uh again her team here if you have any questions okay any questions the applicant no okay this is a public hearing anyone like to speak to the item um Stephanie shackman is there anyone else in the audience after Stephanie Stephanie shots One 15234 stanio Drive Spring Hill Florida Dr James P have you been sworn M shman excuse me have you been sworn yes I have thank you Dr James P gills Jr and Lou friedland's Limestone mind improved in was improved in 2017 when seven diamonds blast there are people that make comments such as it rock my house that was a really bad one good neighbor we worked full-time and spent a fortune to stop this that mind but did anyone listen or care the comprehensive the Pasco 2050 comprehensive plan groundwater and surface water protection states to preserve the well Fields by eliminating potential adverse impacts to groundw from adjacent land uses zoning sh only be allowed upon the condition that no land use that meets the definition of industrial sh be permitted if permitted within such zoning areas Pasco planning says the wells are far enough away that it isn't an issue on average for the last few months uh crossbar wellfield has been pumping 20 million

gallons of water per day we've already we are affected by pumping and over pumping um in 1994 the Lakes went dry from over pumping I've read concrete plants require a high volume of water they want Wells and septic tanks you need to consider the aquafer the water Supply and the private Wells functioning private Wells are vital for our health safety and Fire Protection there is gut conrete concrete 2 miles north on the old over Street Paving property that has CSX behind it there is CeX and Dexter on Spring Hill Drive off of us41 why would you approve heavy industry and close proximity to Long existing Residential Properties I read concrete plants have high solution and it isn't healthy for those in close proximity will you protect the citizens will you protect surface water and the oer because the mines have massive open pits in the wiki watchy spring shed there is no air alarm system here fire station is 8 mil away are you going to require water storage in case of a fire none of planning's answers reassured me that you will protect this community I am constantly improving my property and you are constantly approving Abominations this may be business as usual for Dr James P gills Jr and Lou fredin but this is not a betterment for our community we want the same protection and peace they have at their homes and you have at your hostes is there anyone else here to speak to item P 103 anyone on WebEx there is no one on WebEx close public comment I do have my expert here about the ground groundwater in the wellfields he has answered this question of hers three times this would be the fourth time he got up and on the record and answered it I'm happy to bring him up he can go through the Wellhead protection Zone and explain to us explain the proximity of this property to the wellfields but I can tell you he has answered it um under oath three times now um as I mentioned the conditions unprecedented Comm conditions regarding pollution surface water we even have a condition about fertilizing and where and when we can fertilize relative to um Wiki watchi even though we're not in the particular area where we need to have that kind of Regulation so we have done staff has made sure all these comments have come up have been responded to we've responded to them in writing we have wrote conditions regarding them and so we we we've got it we've done it and um I I just don't think she wants us there clearly um but this is a good collocation for the mines are um we'd ask for your support okay to the board so we have to have two motions uh yes first motion would be on P90 the Lage okay I'll move on b90 second any further discussion all in favor say I this is a roll call vote roll call sorry district one commissioner Oakley hi District Two commissioner waitman hi District three commissioner starky hi District Four commissioner Bradford District 5

chairman Mariano hi now item P 103 okay I move approval second and I just under discussion I just want to say you know there's never a good place to site um things like this but Society needs this kind of operation and it'll end one day um I believe they you know the railroad on one side they they buffered it I um I think they've done a good job of accommodating um their neighbors but this is just something this is just a fact that we have to have these kind of locations and if we put them far away then you have these kind of trucks driving all over your highways bringing you the materials that our society needs to exist so um with that I second and this is a sand mine has been in existence for a long time time all right we have a motion second all in favor say I I I any opposed motion passes item P 104 thank you commissioner thank you item P 104 was published in the Tampa Times on September 20th 2023 if I could why don't we just take a want take a 5minute break Take 5 minute break thank you yeah rather you take it before you before we get [Music] started [Music] a [Music]

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oh [Music] he [Music] kid cool I smack for for those that are here for our two regular agenda items the Luchi plan as well as the opioid plan um I think Luchi plan is going to take some time and I've got a lot of questions about the capital with the opioid plan so we're we're going to have a discussion about continuing we can discuss that now or later right um I think to give it full dialogue and like I said I I I really want to make sure we're protecting the county I think the plans are great but I just want to make sure we're protected every step of the way so yeah uh for all those are here we still got a couple more regular public hearings to go through so if the board wants to and we agree then we'll continue those two items we have we have controversy on the op plan I I have some big questions about the capital money I love the plan but the capital money is my big big concern with it I think what what the opioid committee has done is great but I think there protections we need to put in for the county for making that huge capital investment of those millions of dollars to make sure that we're going to protect what's going to happen at the end because some bad things could happen and I don't think the protections are in there and I know the contracts haven't been written to show us full protection either so that would give them time to even address my concerns uh for the next time we meet okay all right we'll continue then anybody who's here for the opioid or the uh Luchi project those would be continued so if you don't want to wait around okay all right item P 104 just for clarification opioids are coming back in December you want a Luchi back over here or you wantuch Luchi right here should it be here or Luchi would Northeast rule will have to be here okay yeah January 9th for yeah oh it's December okay December 5th okay okay okay so item P 104 item p104 was published in Tampa Titans on September 20th 2023 and I do have an updated master plan for you guys um we are just adding a note that the internal roadways are conceptual um pass that so this is a PDD 24 7650 this is the Kenton CC mpud and so the proposal uh is a zoning Amendment and we're going to be rezoning from an AC agricultural District to a connected City master plan unit development District to allow for 800 multif family dwelling units and 10628 uh Square ft of service ready site acreage on approximately 76 acres and this is located at the southwest corner of the intersection of Kinton road and tendle road again those background slides we talked about earlier Florida State Statute in

2015 board County Commissioners doops enabling documents um previous or subsequently after that um so here's the site location uh within the county the site location within connected City um here is a location in the spa Zone uh it is located in the community Hub uh it is uh fairly close uh and bordering the business core District here is a picture of the aerial the current zoning which is AC the future land use which is AG and then here's a picture of the master PL plan for you and then the service ready sight acreage which is the non-residential uses is going to be uh in that Northern parel with um apartments and then to the South will be some Town Homes uh just to highlight again uh the community uh Hub Zone this is medium density and intensity uh educational uses multif family single family residential um mix of uses supposed to be you know the main neighborhood area around King Lake so this application is asking for three variations uh from section 85.6 to allow for Parcels under single ownership to retain responsibility for the maintenance and upkeep of common areas instead of a Community Development District or Homeowner Association uh and then section 97.1 to reduce the number of required parking spots to 1.9 spaces per multif family dwelling unit and then section 91.6 d11 to provide uh to not provide interconnections to the east or west of the property and so so uh the first section that they're asking a variation from is 8 5.6 so Parcels under single ownership such as an apartment complex may act as a responsible entity uh for the maintenance and upkeep of common areas instead of a CDD or HOA uh and then section 97.1 The new minimum for required parking is still above the 85th percentile according to uh The Institute of Traffic Engineers and then section 91.6 P11 to the east exists a large category one Wetland and to the West is the existing kitten road with single family residents uh instead of you know connecting each house uh to that road they will provide one single connection for them to access the new constructed Kenton Road and so there are two added conditions from the Planning Commission uh the applicant has agreed to prohibit industrial uses from this imput on that service ready site acreage and then number two is the applicant has also agreed to not construct homes and buffer requirements near the southern bound of the imput and I will let the applicant discuss that a little bit more and this comes with approval with conditions so I'm going to ask a couple of questions um connected cities they say is built out with single family homes and I know it's a desire to put single family homes I know there's also a desire to step back some of the density in some of these developments we going coming in

what it would it what is it going to take for that gentleman to be able to come to us and ask us for single family homes and and get it approved so we would just have to one make sure that we would have those in our entitlement tractor which as of right now what I've been told since I've been hired is that we don't have any um I am in the process actually of updating our entitlement trackers with um some other longrange staff so we will have a concrete number if we are over entitled or we still have any remaining okay so let's let's go with the assumption that we're going to be over entitled for residential what is it going to take for these guys to get what they really want to build out there cuz I think is a benefit to most single family compared to just Apartments um in my opinion I believe we would have to update the financial plan and making sure that if we add single family detached entitlements that it makes sense in the financial plan and that the roads could be built with these single family detached entitlements okay all right so that when we have a connected City Workshop that should be a major part of the topic to uh look to get that so if you would work with the developer to kind of take those steps for down the road um Kent Kenton Kent wrot you're protecting that for the residents so that they can access and yeah so they'll be still build his own road going all the way up yeah they'll be constructing the new Kinton uh Road and then they'll have the existing dirt road connect to it so that the residents can use that new road to go south yeah okay all right very good any questions for staff commissioner waitman thank you sir the uh proposed Ro that bux this property that's not there's an opportunity to not you know to maybe run it straight up that way you keep this parcel hold right this is we're not obligating ourselves may you have a picture of it up there the road instead of splitting that potential partial in two maybe that's a better question ask for the applicant I'm so sorry I just don't want to you know I'd like there to be some flexibility I'm want to make sure there's flexibility in this plan to not necessarily cut this Northern property in half maybe run it straight if it makees sense for a commercial kind of you know opportunity Zone within this project so I just want to make sure that we're not cementing this no exactly and that's and that was the update to the master plan that was provided is that those access points are conceptual and are subject to change with actual construction thank you yeah commission W that's a very good point because because if he did that as well as Mak that part hole you could actually put probably a roundabout that someone might like around the very top to bring him over and then that parle could get the better density and better eies that

we want to see in there too any other questions for staff no I'm I think I've met with the applicant on this but I'm yeah let's wait for the applicant there you go Commissioners Clark hobby hobby and hobby PA as you know I have been sworn um I'll make this brief you've already seen the spa map shows you where we are in the community Hub the point that staff has tried to make on this project all along is that it's approaching the uh B the urban core where there's supposed to be the most intense and dense areas of connected City and it really envisions an area that's more like Midtown or Water Street in Tampa it's supposed to be that kind of vertically mixed use high-intensity highdensity project so we started meeting with staff uh two years ago this month and the original proposal on our project was to uh follow the other areas of uh see if I can get this work yeah of this area and this Spa which were built out at a more Suburban density and staff was adamant because of the planning objectives in Connected City that we needed to raise the density as we approach this intersection here so staff instructed us um as we went through the process to not just follow the deel development pattern generally for the community Hub Clark If I could stop you for a second yep could you just go back to that slide and just kind of draw the line exactly where that with the parcel is in relation to the sure yeah it's this um and I let me see I'm probably going to screwed this up they were trying to show me how to do this and and make it more of a pointer but basically it starts right around where this there you go use here try this yep a tool from commissioner waitman that's proved it's worth sorry have my own lightsaber so our property starts right here and comes up through here to this intersection right here where there's plan Planned to be a roundabout and remember that this is what you all approved last year with similar density on the uh um yeah the ailly mpud and then there's a townhouse project that's down here I'll hold on to this for a minute if it's okay with you all I I promise I won't blind anybody um so again uh we heard from now this doesn't want to work come on see if it'll let me flip back if I can there we go you've seen the transportation plan and you previously heard staff's argument was that we've maxed out the single family detached in this area and staff really had two points about this you've maxed out the density uh that's allowed for single family detached in eperson and marada but moreover staff feels and they still feel today that you need to raise the density on this site from what would have been single family detached to tow houses on the bottom and then go even higher as you get to the the norly part of the site and we have emails from staff they were me very transparent with us and we're talking about Ernie and

Brad primarily and if you read this series of emails they tell us straight out you know I I love what you're doing now you changed your plan and went from you know what was a Suburban form density to higher and they were very clear that that's what we had to do so anyway I won't B that point but I did want to make it on the record but let me let me just talk about uh a little bit about how things have changed here over the last little bit and I think they're going to benefit the area as a whole and the planning objectives that the board has my main client on this deal is Dr Horton and DR Horton and I'm working with an M we're in all these meetings with you all and we know about the board's concerns about apartments you know just doing the same old thing and just having a sea of tow houses even though tow houses and some board members is better cuz it's you know fee owned product and that kind of thing as opposed to just apartments and we're listening so what we did was we went out and got a development partner to work with Dr Horton and what he wants to do is as we get up in this area if we can make this road go further north we we had already planned and have to have the service ready site up in this area and it already allowed some retail what he would like to explore doing is just what you all were talking about bring the road up here build a roundabout on our site open up the middle of this property and that does a couple of things number one it protects our neighbors over here by giving them the greater setback that the folks down here have that I'll show you in a minute number two it open up the whole middle of the site and what the development partner Michelle and his his group would like to do is to create what they believe is a sorely missing location place that's different A Gathering Spot they view this as being the hole in the donut and connected City and they don't want to just build another public Center they're trying to build something that we believe all of the neighbors and the other folks who will move into connected City will find to be a real amenity um so that's our really what's driving our come on this is good there we go that's what's driving our design in this area and again we're trying to be more mindful of what the board has in objectives not just from public mimo number 26 but how can we make this the best site that it can be for our neighbors okay so now let's see if we can get this to go okay you're going to hear from some our neighbors and you know it's stuff we've heard from other people who live in this area some of whom have lived there before connected City existed but on this site just because of the special facts of this site we can do some things to protect our neighbors to the east on the other side of Kenton Road as you'll see this graphic is showing you because of the buffer that we agreed to on our Eastern buffer the rideway that's there and leaving the exist in Kenton Road that provides all of our neighbors to the east access we create a minimum

237 area between where any of our units would be and their property lines not even their houses that's just their property line property lines we feel like that's unprecedented uh in an area that's Urban and we feel like we've really been able to take advantage of the what the benefits of the connected City Master roadway plan because if you look on this exhibit what you're seeing is we'll have our own landscape on our property then there's three more landscape rows in there so I will find it hard to believe that our neighbors are going to see our units from their properties and that's in my mind doing the right thing by our neighbors and being protective of them excuse me one second we have met extensively with our neighbors uh and in just a minute I'm going to ask Joe Simo to come up and talk about drainage concerns um that we've heard from them but I also want you to know that we have a neighbor to the South and we've met with them several times see if I can get to I leave that we've we've met with them several times and talked with them extensively and as you heard from staff we agreed to four parts of a special condition to try to protect them uh what we agreed to is from their property their home is located more on the let me see if I can get back to the master plan there we go do this their their home is located generally in this area Okay and then there's a larger Wetland system that runs in the back so we know that they have children in here and and you know that they'll explain their uses and stuff the Topography of the of the site is falling off this way and we're very likely to just have a retention pond in here and our units were probably going to be fairly far away from them up here but I just want the board to have me read in the special condition and what we're doing for our neighbor there because we want to be good neighbors first of all we said we'd have no units within 200 ft of their existing home 200 F feet no units if we do build a retention Pond within 200 ft of their existing home we'll put a fence on the south side of that pond so if they have children that happen to get onto the site there'll be a fence there and it will Prov provide not only privacy on our end but hopefully safety for them we will also install a 6-t fence on the south side of any of our units that are anywhere Within 200 ft of their boundary so we're going to put a privacy fence up to Shield them from many of our units on the south side and because they have some a units and some hog wire uh along their boundary we just agreed to leave that in place so we don't want their animals getting out and all we're doing is supplementing it with more fencing and safety on our side so with that I you know it's been a topic of discussion for several years now about the Basin that's over in this area King Lake and some of the uh water rise from King Lake that's affecting some of these partials and I want you to know that Joe has looked at this extensively and I want

Joe to tell you what his view of the water issues are and how our site is not even in the same Basin and cannot contribute to their flooding issues yes I can there yeah pointer you need it it down test it all right good evening everyone uh Joe Simo W engineering uh 12363 Hampton Park Boulevard Tampa Florida 33624 and I have been sworn um I know drainage is always a really important concern and discussion we have to have on any mpud uh we've got a good story to tell on this one so just want to air it out before we get into all the other stuff um come on I'm push about this all right so this is King Lake here and I know that U you guys have I know that the board has been hearing a lot of drainage concerns about King Lake um they're valid it's it's got some issues there's a lot of water running into there it's getting higher than it's ever gotten in the past um so it's understandable that there's some concern about that since we're in such close proximity what I just wanted to point out is there's a topographic Ridge um along the Eastern neighbors here um and it's about anywhere from I'd say 4 to 10 feet higher than portions of our site so none of our drainage whatsoever crosses this divide and drains into King Lake that's very very important because if it did we'd have to have a very long discussion about our drainage plan and how it's not affecting King Lake but we just got good old fashioned gravity on our side here and we are not draining uphill and over this Ridge into King Lake in fact King lak's one of King lak's only over topping points is actually through our sights right up there this is just a big General line to show it goes from east to west but it's right through here so um topographic divide we do not drain into King Lake King Lake actually overtops through us and the portion it overtops through is actually a protected Wetland we will be building a road over it but there'll be massive box covers in there will be regulated by Pasco County and Swift Mud to make sure those are designed correctly um but nothing else is going to be built over that conveyance system that takes all that King Lake drainage off to the West so just wanted to oh yes um so something that we cannot directly do but we can demonstrate the benefit of it is I'm just going to say right where about where that uh red big red line is crossing that discharge that needs to come from King Lake across our property there's a very small cul under Kenton Road right now um we don't have the ability to increase that because that would be increasing discharge Downstream but Pasco County Utilities in coordination with Swift Mud could authorize something like that and we'll be doing all the design and we'll have all the data to help them authorize that but um that would be a potential component of this property too again we can't just go do it but we have a lot of

data that shows what needs to be done and between Pasco County Public Works and Swift Mud that would probably provide a great benefit to getting more water out of King Lake faster commissioner Oakley yeah are are y'all building a ditch or something to take that water to take it on pasture property or here cuz I know it it spreads out on your property now yes it does there's actually a I wish this was working a little bit better yes and I'm talking about the water coming from King lake at that culber correct it spills through um there is there's a wetland system that meanders through the pasture right and in a low Flow It's contained within that in a big flow it spreads out beyond that we'll be showing that in our pre-existing design how that spreads out and anything we build around there we'll have to demonstrate how we're not constru rting how that channels through our property absolutely absolutely that will be channelized through our property C oh actually if we can actually clean out the ditch um well if it were a Big Cypress Head we probably couldn't ream it out but the fact that it's just a small Wetland system running through the pasture with basically just grasses in it and some um non-native species in there that would be one of the easier ones ones to actually clean out without any sort of major permitting implications or environmental so you're not building in that area whatsoever that's correct we're not building in that area we do have to build new Kenton Road over it but that's where you're going to see big giant box culbert to get water going through yeah any other questions reserve of our time for rebuttal okay this is a public hearing is there anyone else who would like to speak to this item um Mr Mr Jim was signed up again hello Jim Mariner 30409 elim Road West SE Chapel um okay I'm just going to read part of of this um because it concerns the this property with the traffic and the construction uh Elum is designated as an intermediate road on the master roadway plan and boyet mckendry Kenton and overpass are considered primary Kenton Road was supposed to be extended from Elum to overpass back when erson was built apparently was not enough benefit to Metro at the time since it was pretty much outside of their uh uh subdivision uh so there was they transferred the money to the county this was back seven years ago now I believe I found the document that said that it was $479,000 it's about a qu of a mile extend mention that is critical to everything that we've been talking about today with these two developments that I'm sandwiched in between uh without that being done every single vehicle that is on this property if they are going south they are going to use Kenton and when they get to elim they have no choice but to turn right and go past private driveways can can I pause you just for a second can we get a map up to what gentleman was talking

about the areial may show it better satellite there you go and and if uh the property is a little bit higher yes so where you see King Lake ramps that little Bend that's the beginning of this this property I believe so the option even when if they had built the road to go through as it was originally not amended but gone through and connected with Tindle and uh mckendry there which would be a straight shot to get up to 52 anybody that's on that property that wants to go south on 75 is not going to go north a couple miles to 52 to an unsignaled light and make a leftand turn to get to 75 to then go south they will all come down Kenton Road to elim road which is you got to go up a little bit there or uh down I'm sorry down toward which will come out right there now you can see the right way that was that was given right between give him a give him a pointer because you know he's pointing okay there we go so right here is the right away and if you go down move it up a little further there you go so so here's Kenton Road and right here is the right way to get to overpass without that connection which is designated as a major primary Road from uh everybody is going to come down here and go around this S curve that you've previously heard about this right hand or this uh 90° turn to the South to get to um the intersection of overpass and uh and buy yet at that point construction traffic depending upon where the the material may be coming from whatever they may be coming down 75 to come back around here it's all going to go I suggest and I think the board has the ability to to put a condition to have any construction traffic come from curly this is a a it's a newer Road El is failing it's cracked it's delaminating it's rded and it was only built several years ago uh when when this was uh taken over by the county so at this point uh we are going to be the brunt until this little section here believe it's a quarter of a mile if we can get this done it will alleviate and to the benefit of the applicants and to the benefit of of uh the the this project over here that Transportation mobility and ability to get from point A to point B will be greatly uh enhanced everybody's life at this point so I thank you for your time thank you Roger Mendoza and who's after Roger I think it's Raa or Kayla Mendoza K Kayla we're going to get double team you ready number one up there hey everybody my name is uh Roger Mendoza 8941 Kenton Road Wesley Chapel I'm actually the uh owner of the property um where the development is going to be north of us um currently is ourv right here it's flat and you have been sworn nothing to see huh and you have been sworn I've been sworn yes I have here so I can stay within my 3 minutes we live at 8941 Kenton Road this is our view we've lived here for about 13 years we moved here because we wanted

a a rural view of the Florida and landscape for our kids and for um just us to be able to get out of the Suburbia we used to live a metal point that grew really big and uh we wanted to get out of it um one of the things I did want to remind you that Pat RSW actually brought up was according to the comprehensive plan right 163 3246 is encouraged to retention of rural character where rural areas exist and then number 11 says and assure protection of key natural areas one of the things that's happening is that it's been talked about so many times rural rural rural right and then all of a sudden you have all these homes coming in you have seen all these complaints you have seen everybody talk about it right my wife and I are proud Pasco County residents you know we lived here for a long time right uh Community Advocates we are also business owners we own and run and operate a nonprofit called Nature's Haven out of our home Nature's Haven of Florida uh we provide Youth Services to the children that are um neurodiverse you guys know what neurodiverse is basically kids are have autistic are are attracted to water um Runners people that fight ORF flight kind of thing behavioral issues emotional issues right so we we cater to these kids because there's a way that nature speaks to them because when they interact and are afraid of certain things like for example chickens we have chickens dogs Ducks possi goats near soon we also apply for a class three license we could have a CA Barrow and skunks right so this is supportive for our kids to do uh we have um the sensory activities for the kids and of course their self-esteem and is growing their social amongst other kids as well so if you go to pick number two babe the new kenson development 800 homes the other way place it down the other way there uh 800 homes uh the original plan was 250 so that's a big big a big jump across the street you're pretty that's 525s that's pretty big too right um the 10 acres that are bordering let see do this guy work the 10 acres right 10 acres right here that is bordering right here that's my entire proper line according to the conditions right it's 200 ft away from my home right my home is not just this little dot my home is like property line inside of the conditions they just put property of my home but they actually put the parcel right so the parcel is not just this little tiny thing the parcel is my entire 10 acres right so what I am asking for is a request we want just not the 200 away from our home we want anything near our boundary to have a 100 foot buffer just like the uh T RS were asked for currently 25 ft away from our boundary according to Joe when we were on the call this is a Safety and Security issue especially for our kids our home is not just the house it is entire property uh we asked uh we only talked to Joe one time on 10:23 not several times like you mentioned uh and in just last 24 hours we got an email so

I didn't have anything to really plann according to it I know he was in the hospital I don't know some personal issues ETC according to Mr hobby he asked if I was satisfied just a minute ago and he said and I said no he said that that's going to be the best we're going to do I don't know if that's just him saying that or he's just taking the power away from you guys we're asking for a along the 420 ft right here think thing's running out of batteries 420 ft from here to here that's that's the really big retention pump that tree that you see behind there is this little dot right that's humongous our kids are possibly like we're talking about autistic possibly attracted to water uh one of the moms has told me he's attracted to water and you can see it he plays in everything even puddles or whatever you have out there water right if he's attracted to something like this it's going to be a pain of suing going on nonprofit against this big conglomerate they should be able to push all the stuff 100 ft off my boundary line okay we want a concrete wall here 8T we want a a uh 8ft metal rod one of those ornamentals we could actually still see through the actual Wetland right we wouldn't be a Nature's Haven if we didn't have see any nature in front of me there's the lake left of me or north of me is this big property right that's not but as you guys see Nature's you got to wrap it up the time's up sorry okay I appreciate it thank you guys for listening to what I have uh Cay hello my name is Kayla Mendoza I am the daughter of Caroline Raj Mendoza my dad and I'm here because and you've been sworn yes I have thank you okay I am here because of last time I was here you guys weren't here you guys didn't get to hear what I said before and so I'm here more about the animals that you guys are all misplacing and so that all these subdivisions are coming and so I've wrote an entire list of animals that I've seen in my head that I remembered their exact names of that I've seen outside the property and in the property that is soon going to be developed and so I have a list of about 78 animals not including the ones I don't remember so some are snakes like black racers corn snakes Eastern coral snakes even the the venomous ones yes but they all count as nature Birds we have an green herns cattle eits snowy egrets sill cranes great errit Scarlet IIs turkeys a lot of them we see them pass by they're pretty funny looking um we have a whole bunch of Warblers sparrows renss mocking birds vulture we have Eagles we have Ducks too yes ducks on our property but we also have ducks that live in the ponds that your the ponds um we have animals that are also not Birds we have Bobcats that's live in the back of our property we have raccoons I've seen them in the trees we have skinks which is a type of like lizard salamanders skunks Cotton Tail rabbits swamp rabbits Marsh rabbits chick monks nine banded armadillos which

sadly I've seen on the roads because the cars that come by um cotton the cotton wraps old Fiel Mouse actually we've seen a lot of rats which our cat gets which is pretty funny um anoles which is um lizards and there's a whole bunch more that I can't say because it'd be like 10 minutes worth um so out of all these on my list um 10 of these are threatened 15 are endangered and 20 more are declined and then 22 are protected um I know it's um my dad said something about an ornamental metal fence and so I would like to say that if you guys are building all these stuff I'd like to at least make a fence so the a certain fence so the animals can get through so we can see them still as the subdivisions come so I have a minute I just ask you a question because it's important you're asking for a fence you can see but you're worried about the kids being able to see it to be attracted to it they can still see it are you worried about them fence Mr hob put put up last on October the last October meeting he mentioned I want to see a kid jump over a bar wire they will do it they'll jump over a bar wire go wherever the water is the bar wi that we if you put an ornamental fence it fo High you know the the ones that have the points on the top they're not going to go over that right there still allow snakes rats everything else to go through it so you're okay back I would like to have an 8T concrete wall everything's 100t away 25 ft it's pretty close I'm confused so from where the tree is you want what kind of a fence there uh from the tree I would like to on the southern border now the southern border right here between this guy and thisy guy right it's about um about 420 ft or so I would like a metal rod ornamental um metal rod fence in front of it there could be some type of Evergreen of some kind 3 to 4T by burn sometime that way the kids don't actually see the water they can see the nature that Mak sense so essentially this is the fence this is the fence this is the shy that in front of it they can still see through the Wetland but they won't be able to see the water and in the back we're asking for OT concrete wall concrete but what do you mean by the back I'm looking at the southern Bo to to the other side no I get that I'm just we have access to this Pond we go back to the pond we still have access to go all the way back here we have we're going to have and everything else back here so I don't want to see a resident on your side if you have a py PC thing Bobcat jump okay okay thank you see a bobcat and somebody else's residence thank you very much appreciate it all right next person I have is Jennifer McCarthy a lot of exra why uh ibor and I had another neighbor I had a neighbor wave their time um who's the neighbor who's the neighbor if you don't

mind uh uh I believe actually two two neighbors emailed but Su single ter and Andor Emma Horton okay um I good to go yeah okay my name's Jennifer McCarthy I live at 8819 Kenton Road Wesley Chapel Florida 33545 and I have been sworn in um so as I said I live on Kenton Road um and I'm asking for following conditions to be added in writing before the development is approved so one thing that Clark mentioned is that the wild cat Groves is not in the rural area Kenton Road is and my specific area uh is in rural area for and I would like that for that to remain um so as uh Mr Mendoza said I I do agree that he should have a 100 foot SP space buffer between the AC parcels and the proposed development um I also agree that he should have the fence per his require per his specifications this is not only for the protection of the Agricultural properties and but for those living in the proposed development to discourage trespassing on our properties and the category one Wetlands on the west side of our properties we don't want to see ATVs and other people using these lands that they're not supposed to um Kenton Road South of the bend is currently a private non-count maintained Road I would like in writing that there is no construction traffic for these new neighborhoods as well as marada and erson that should be using this road there are currently signs that say local traffic only but there is no way to enforce this and I'm sick of getting run off my road by cars and trucks speeding by me if you allow the construction of the neighborhoods to begin before the new Kenton Road is complete uh from from Elam to this new development it's almost guaranteed that we will be dealing with our road to be used as a hall route and construction as this already happens regularly I75 interchange they shut down construction for 3 days while they figured out a hall route I was in the middle of our road on 911 with construction trucks trying to run me over coming from both ways we are a single Lane Road a single Lane it's not a two-lane single Lane glorified driveway as you can see for a couple days ago there's a gopher tortoise on the side of it everybody's going to run this stuff off it's not fair so I want to keep the I do not want our private road improved I want to keep this to local traffic only residents that live on Kenton Road as it was originally intended it's a huge liability that you've placed on the homeowners that own this road also I ask that construction does not close our road without warning as recently on 10:25 the entrance to Kenton road was closed at Elam going both East and West without any notice to the county or Emergency Services had there been an emergency on our road it would have been a 10 to 15 minute detour to reach our home that me the difference between life and death a small fire versus a house completely consumed it's not a situation that should be happening it's out of control during the construction of the new Kenton Road it should also be

required that this road extends South straight from Elam to overpass as uh as as Mr marani um so cars avoid the very dangerous section of Elam Road West of Kenton Road the count County traffic people from the the Planning Commission said that elim can handle the number of cars but that isn't the issue it is a very dangerous road and I don't want to risk my life driving on this road with what will be an exponentially higher number of cars and I believe if you don't require this extension of Kenton Road as a condition of this new development there will be accidents and people will be Gravely injured or die because you made the decision to allow houses before safe roads existed also since elim Road has been closed for over a year there might be thousands of other households coming from erson that try to use it to avoid the four-way stop at overpass Road and erson Boulevard which is a mess to drive through nearly any time of day before this development is improved I would like to see a finalized representation of how Kenton Road will be designed I would like our private road to have a single entrance 600 ft north of Elam Road as was planned last year in the appr resoning and to dead end um at the Mendoza's property with an area for garbage trucks Etc to safely turn around a couple things about the traffic study for this development one it was done under the assumption that it was going to be single family detached homes but now with the resoning to 800 multifam this is likely to be Apartments um the number of cars on the roads has changed the traffic study continues to reference Kenton Road I live on Kenton Road I'm assuming at this point our private road will be renamed but this document can be misconstrued that the existing Kenton Road can be used for their right of way so I would like verbage added that they are not allowed to use this road um on a personal note I'm not moving my neighbors are not moving what we these 10 10 acre Parcels on the Southend of Kenton Road are trying to do is protect our neighborhood just like I'm sure you would want to do for yours if you were in the same situation it's not about keeping the entire area rural it's about keeping our street rural we are a neighborhood and should be treated like one so when I hear County employees make comments in the media that we should cash it in and move or members of the Planning Commission whisper that this is for the greater good it's not only frustrating but offensive and really scary that this is the Viewpoint the US has a bad history of running off residents from areas to make room for what they believe are more worthy as what residents this shouldn't be the case here again I ask that my conditions be in writing so they are enforcable I'm tired of having promises stated to me that aren't followed through because when time goes by the lawyers and developers get together and they will always do what's best for them and what will make the most money not necessarily what is best for the citizens thank you thank you thank you

no clapping pleas Don't Clap uh Michael polter can I borrow your pointer uh it should be right up there I think is it all right cool thank commissioner waitting for that tool I don't even know how it got up there you gave it to Clark left it up there there we go okay good evening we're there uh Michael pic 9152 Kenton Road I am sworn in if you can put yeah thank you um commissioner sari to your point about some upper scale single family residentials we would love to see those on this property up until the last Planning Commission this was 277 tow houses and it's grown to over three times that in residences plus 106,000 Square ft of commercial on the same piece of property this was the um revised traffic study for erson ranch the reason I pointed out is I'm sure you guys have gotten complaints because of the erson Boulevard and overpass intersection it's eight Lanes plus turn lanes and it's a fourway stop sign it is a disaster that came from this when this study was done this is basically the metrics behind it okay this was the 2025 projected traffic flow unfortunately these traffic studies we keep getting and you keep making decisions of of they don't come off of the additional projects that continue to be added to this this is actually the federal do manual right here which is very important and I'm going to give you the metrics and why this project now doubles over the appri property which was 527 on residences plus 106,000 plus ft of commercial this is now asking to add an additional 800 which puts us at 1327 residential units plus 23,000 Square ft of commercial on a two-lane road that dead ends in a stop sign do rule of thumb straight out of the manual says you cannot exceed 450 cars on a stop sign on a two-way stop that does not take into effect the traffic on Elum road which is going to abst ruct traffic now when we default back to charter schools on top of the 1327 units of volume traffic in morning and afternoon you now have parents commuting their children to school at the same time why is this important if we have 13 and 1327 cars going through the stop sign it's going to take 3 hours to get to out of the intersection to get to work in the morning now the part that I really have to get to you is this is the overview of where we're at as everybody said this is where it dead ends that's important because this is my property we have cattle I lease and own property on both sides of the street I'm the one with the John Deere tractor that goes up and down here with rolls of hay we have a farm in Michigan we have agricultural property here this is all on record with the Property Appraiser's office we have equipment and trailers that exceed 40 ft that come out of here the proposed intersection is going to be

right about out there I do not have room to come out and straighten out our trailers and equipment and get out of the opposite direction traffic for a safe intersection this is going to be a 90° turn right here and the problem is people will come through that turn they will not see the equipment coming in and out and somebody's going to get killed on October 6th I reached out to Mr jav's office I had several concerns this was one of them what I asked for in one of those concerns is this is the applicant's current driveway across from it is two lots and I have cattle on both of these properties the record this property right here is two lots it's been vacated it's going to be conservation it will never be developed what I asked Mr hobby for one of the six items I asked for clarification on is for this intersection to go to Kenton Road to be moved up here opposite of the bated property so that a it keeps the traffic away from our equipment coming in and out of our operation and also there's no homes here so as cars go in and out headlights will not be shining into the front windows of these homes I think it's very fair to ask this intersection goes to this point right here the second issue is on the next slide this is the original traffic study map for 2030 how do we get there it was up there please the 2030 traffic study map for thead way called for okay right here is the road that the prior speakers were talking about it connects overpass road to elim Road this is part of the 2030 Plan before we were even talking about two and four lane roads going up in Kenton to replace it the reason this is important is because there's a traffic light there that traffic light is what's going to stop as in preventing everybody from all of these developments and everybody from the connected City that needs to get south from getting out of here because with a stop sign we cannot get the traffic flow through there on the flip side this old Kenton Road because the new Kenton Road is going to dead end before it hits Tindle the scary part here is all of this traffic from the south is going to hit the old Kenton Road to go over to curlyy apparently now it's going to be a six Lane highway or to go West on mckendry or Tindle to get to mckendry to go out here so all of this traffic flow has to go onto our two lane dirt road and that's the traffic I'm actually going to deal with that's going to create a safety issue with us taking 40ft Gooseneck trailers with hey on and off the property and when I look when I order pallets of agricultural products all organic by the way when they come I don't get to pick the truck that brings it sometimes it's a semi and I have to as quickly and safely as possible on our little two-lane dirt road use my forklift take the product off or move it onto our property to get it out of the flow of traffic so I'm asking you please first thing is to move that intersection North so we don't create a safety issue the second thing is please make it four

lanes to start with for traffic flow reasons and give us some form of traffic flow where it hits Elum because we will never get in and out of that area those concerns and about four others were sent to Mr jav's office via email on October 6th I did not get a response from that email or any of those concerns whatsoever some were the schools some were the fire station traffic flow was a big one and I would like to thank them for working with us on the Watershed from King Lake that eperson and biscane Bay helped to create the situation of they can't control that so I appreciate the fact that they're helping us with the drainage the traffic flow is on you guys we need your help with that thank you thank you U Mr chair I don't have anyone else signed up okay so I see three other people for public comment if you want to line up behind the current current Speaker that'd be great y have three minutes name adjust hey Tanya riddlesworth 8734 hry Road and I I have been sworn uh first I want to say that I most certainly do live there okay um I do list my home for rent for short-term periods when my family and I want to go away in our RV and I don't think I need to apologize for that and illegal sorry what it's illegal you cannot have a homesteaded property is also a rental property it's not a a rental as in long-term rental I I I saw the nice comments people love staying at your house but yeah so even short terms you better be very careful because you're gonna pay some huge funds but I'll I thought that was just long term but I guess we can talk about that after um but I do want to reiterate that the4 foot 140t setback has already been done as we showed you before uh marada has 10 foot setback all the way around except for in this one rural area where it's 140 foot setback um so I want to know why wouldn't it why wouldn't you approve a 100t setback that the meno are asking for here um also I want to say that there's only multif family left um as we've kind of been talking about all here there all the single family entitlements are gone there's only multif family left so what does that mean for the connected City well if we thought it's been growing a lot in the past few years now we have multif family only left it's only going to grow exponentially the schools and the roads need to be addressed now we cannot wait any longer so um most of the people that have been up here have been talking about the roads this is an area where we haven't had this issue with erson and marada as much because they weren't on dirt roads this area that everybody wants to start building in now the business Court the South Innovation Zone the Urban Court it's all on dirt roads you're only going to hear more and more of this we have all the dirt roads that we're talking about mckendry Tindle um Kenton that need to be addressed and need to be thought out properly before we can put all these multif family homes

on these roads we cannot wait until 2050 to pave mckendry or to um fix uh Kenton Road going south uh to overpass uh one more thing I I wanted to uh mention I thought the connected city was supposed to have a committee with residents to help regulate it um I want to know how do I become part of this and uh who is the current private residents that that are on the committee I question the master plan and how this is anything but suburban sprawl which was my fear that I vocalized when it was originally pasted 78 years ago and note that it is this has been years and the world has changed since then gig gigabyte internet is available everywhere office space isn't needed as much because people are remote the entire connected City needs to be re-evaluated and this should be done before more peac mealing rezonings are approved I don't see anyone looking at this area as a whole other than Mr waitman has called for this um audit that hopefully will happen in January otherwise it's just housing housing retail to support the new housing Etc this is not a uh an Innovative area if you're looking at it like that that is just suburban sprawl that we're trying to avoid here is my understanding thank you thank you Mr chair um for any of the speakers that have come up and they' displayed anything on it unless there's been a motion to accept it I just want to make sure that they know that they it will not be in the permanent record so if there's anything that you've displayed that you want to keep in into the permanent record we need to know so that the board can do a motion to receive and file that I come for you can't you can you can you can you can ask that you can Ro so the items that you showed you would like those yes I'd love for those to be on the record okay move all in favor say I I and Sonia are those electronic or those paper that he that the gentleman sent electronic okay if you could email that to Donna Le and office thank you but anything else that was presented will not be in the permanent record unless you want it so you have to make sure you ask for it thank you I have not this warning all right raise your right hand please and any anyone else going to speak have you been sworn been sworn okay okay I'm sorry I C for you all right do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth so help you God yes thank you I do my name is Michelle brette I live at 8747 Kenton Road I've lived on this road for 45 years I'm probably the oldest one to lived there but anyway I have seen everything that's happened on this road I've seen the traffic increase this is a one lane road this is a on Lane Road the picture that's up there with the goer tourist that's one lane we have had so many dump trucks semi trucks flatbed trucks you name I can't even walk down our road I can't even walk down the driveway with my dog it ran over so anyway we need to have that

Kenton Road the new one since someone decided to make that new Kenton Road and marada Kenton instead of realizing that our Kent Road is actually Kenton Road and the county doesn't own all of it whoever did that screwed that a big time they should have checked out investigated on it that half of it is all private road County not County maintained the other half is County maintained and people don't go 30 m hour like on a dirt road like you're supposed to they go about 60 about 100 miles an hour because they're going to Mara they are going to mckendry Road they are cutting through overpass they are cutting to 52 they are cutting you name it they are cutting it through because we went through this for eight years well five years with erson they were getting dirt from overpass over there 52 near Flying Js they were getting dirt coming off of well I don't know about the new overpass but anyway when I'm trying to get as we need to have Kenton Road the new one fit before anything else gets put down this road it's ridiculous if you look on the satellite thing you can see how our part I'm talking about the first people are residents of what we're going through the anyway let me just go to the next one I had a whole list here um have any of you guys ever like gone down pent Road or checked out it out just to see what it looks like have you I saw heard you say something about do went riding around right you do all the time and I just I've just um been looking at it on Google Maps so I see it I see part of it it's not it's not a County Road and a lot of you got a lot of people in your county didn't know that I had to tell them and then they finally went oh yeah I'm like yeah not all of it's County maintained right so anyway if you look at where I live at as47 they have a driveway there and that driveway is a driveway it's not a road we have had everybody and anybody dump trucks from erson come down our Drive driveway and I've contacted you guys to tell you that someone needs to fix it get it off of Google Maps as a road it's a driveway so we had people coming down our long driveway you turn in the middle of the road and go back out so recently the past two years we finally put in a gate and that has helped out a lot but we shouldn't have to do that you know if someone realize but you know there's just a lot of things that need to be done please do kitten Road do the new one we can't handle our little road no more am I done yay okay thank you anyway I have more on my list but thank you for listening to me and thank you for driving around the [Applause] do need help with that mic she's got a hand mic a hand M oh she's got one yeah hi my name is Sarah sevener I live at 4213 medberry drive and I have been sworn in my I have three special needs children I don't know if any of you have experience with special needs children but when you're dealing with special needs children you have to look at them completely different from your

neurotypical child I have two on the autism spectrum one with ADHD and some sensory issues kids on the autism spectrum they may know the rules they may know what's expected of them and 80% of the time they'll follow that but they have certain triggers you can call them or obsessions that when they see that it's like a tunnel vision everything else goes out of their mind and no matter how many people are watching them they are small they are quick and they can escape out of anybody's sight no matter how many people you have watching them um my son my all three of my kids go to Nature's Haven at the mendozas and it has had the most impact I have ever seen with my boys they spent numerous years in public school never once made a friend couple months in Nature's Haven not only are they more comfortable socializing with their peers they're more comfortable socializing with adults they have gone from uh pure fear of bugs insects the outdoors like um Panic not being able to move if they see an ant on on the ground can't even get to the car because there's an ant between them and the car to running through the grass picking up bugs and even academically their improvements in homeschool have been so much more than all of the years in school just in the last couple months since we've started going to Nature's Haven it is important that we look at even though this is a small thing it's a small Co-op a small camp for these unique children we want the best for these children these children are striving to be productive members of society we want them to be able to live on their own and these early interventions at places like Nature's Haven is the only way that they're going to become productive members of society and we need to keep them safe when they're there which is why we really need to look at what the mendozas are asking in order to keep these children safe thank you thank you is there anyone else just speak to this item I have no one else signed up and no one on WebEx okay close public comment I thought you had to be somewhere ma'am I thought you had to be somewhere no me J right here be somewhere I'm here I'm here for the duration Clark hob again uh uh just I'm going to have Steve Henry respond to the traffic but I want to um just respond to a couple of things number one we are very mindful of the issues with the mendozas and their property and that's why we've agreed to all these conditions again I want to reiterate for the board what we've agreed to do there we will not have any units within 200 feet of their home no units within 2 feet of their 200 ft of their home that's that's a significant amount I think it's actually more than the neighbor was looking for on the on the other project if there is a retention Pond within 200 ft of the home the present condition says that we'll

install a fence on the south side of it now based on what I've heard tonight I think the conditions should be changed to say that will be a 6- foot vinyl fence I heard Mr Mendoza but honestly I'm more worried about on our our side having a a safety issue is and I don't want kids to be having a fence that they can get through and so I'd rather have a a continuous 6ot vinyl fence there let's let's talk about it for a second too because as the lady just mentioned when they see something the visual goes away and they can't control where they go right so that fence that someone can see through I I don't think it makes sense either yeah I I'm very concerned based on what I've heard and that's why I think we'd be better served to use a six- foot vinyl fence like we would normally have we would normally put those by the way around Retention Ponds but we don't want any of the special needs kids having any issues on our site so I just that's why I want to change that condition to be more specific but I just want to reiterate the rest of what we're doing we're going to have a 6ot fence on the south side of any units within 200 ft as well so they won't be near their house but if they're on the western if the kids are on the western end of the mendosa partial which is a wetland that really can't be built on but if they're back there running around we're going to have a 6-ft vinyl fence on the south side of our units if there's any unit within 200 ft all right but CL let me stop you there because when you when you talk about their their house it really doesn't matter it's really the property line what's the difference going to be from the property line going back to your that's what's going to matter so that well what we're trying to identify is there's two different scenarios because of the wetlands here we go so their house is right here commissioner MH this because of how the Topography of the site goes will likely very likely be a pond okay this area is all in a wetland can't be build so quiet it's a wetland I mean we've looked it up online it's a wetland so we don't believe there's going to be anything ever constructed as far as habitable structures back here and again that's why we're saying if we have any units within 200 ft we will put a a continuous 6ft vinyl fence on the southside of those units so what we're trying to do and this was based on what we heard at Planning Commission wait what this thing not work they told us in some areas they wanted to look over our property okay and if we don't have any wetlands in there if they want to look through their barbwire fence or whatever it is back here if we don't have units until they're up here we put the fences between us and the units that's all we're saying but they did say at Planning Commission there were parts of the kids that like to be in the rear of their property and look over our property and if there's not a water body there I'm not that worried about it where I am worried about it is if there's a pond okay so

that's why that reads that way well they have a pond in the back of their property right right I'm but I'm just I'm I'm solely FOC quiet please I'm solely focused on the issue of what we're going to have on our site commissioner just for safety purposes and I'm trying to respond to what I was told in the previous hearing okay so um Clark how how far back would you put the white fence we were going to I mean I don't know that I direct we put it directly behind in at the end of the Lots everywhere there's up oh you want to put on the property line no I mean I mean the whole length of the property or just up in the front just where we have lots cuz we we may have no Lots down in this area so all we're saying is go if we have any units within 200 ft of them then there will be a fence between where the units are and the Mendoza property it's what back in that if we're 3 400 ft up there I don't know why we would need a fence out in the middle of a pasture yeah that's that's the only point we're trying to make um so there were a lot of questions brought up uh about the traffic and there's a lot of misinformation there and I'm going to have Steve speak to that in just a minute but I want the board to know because this is not my first rodeo in this area the mpud that's down here ailly was approved last year and most of the people you heard speaking not all of them but several of them are the folks that live in here and they're actually going to live closer to where the ailly development is and we already worked out a series of conditions with them to satisfy their concerns from where any of our development will be now with regard to where the access points are the reason why we put these notes in that Gavin you know changed today these are just conceptual if we can work it out so that the access point is where uh Michael was showing where a wetland is so it doesn't go into lights aren't going into someone's house we would love to do that our initial thought was for safety purposes it was better to have them come down the way the road presently is and come to a stop there but these are all the kinds of things you have to work out with a County engineer when you get into site planning we're speculating on a lot of this stuff I I will say Michael's comment about bringing his hay in this is his only way to get in now so he's some finding some way to go around a 90° turn there right now and we're not going to change any of that we're not going to change it so whatever it is now is whatever it will be going forward okay but but Clark here's here's the thing if you if you were trying to to do this development in a regular Way substandard Road analysis You' get stopped right because it's a single Lane Road can't is your construction you mean you mean if I if I was proposing access paron me I have the floor let me let me let me finish my comment okay sure so if it's a single lane road going all the way and a dirt road as well and we heard about already the traffic issues that

are out there not even from you guys but just from what's going around there it's definitely going to be an issue and I and I really love that You' got a side road build in that's going to separate it from so they'll have their own private road all said and done but I'm concerned about what's going to happen now and I think we need to address it when can you build at least one layer of the road going north south up on your side of the property we're required to build it up front we we can't access this site without building the new road and there's a condition that requires us at all times to maintain their traffic flow through the existing roadway so like as an example just we may have to give them access over a portion of our site to cross over it so they can maintain their way out while we're working there so absolutely we understand again went through this on the ailly mpud to the South and know how to do it we just make sure we're so you're going to build your own separate Road anyway that's right that's not going to affect what they've got over there you're going to allow him the access to do what he's got to go do that's right that's great now going up to the top part of the property right uh where the road then goes to the angle right I'm I don't want to wait for you guys to redo it but I really think as as we've discussed going straight up and taking the left putting the roundabout in and going out that way uh is the way to go from the get-go but where are you going to go from the India property would you catch Tindle or is that connect later on it would it would go to there that's where the interconnection there's another uh Circle that's going in right there Then another developer to the north is is building so the Road's going to then continue from that point then go up it will go north and go and it's still called Kenton it's it's kind of interesting and again I understand the neighbors saying we're not trying to rename roads that's what it's called in the master roadway plan but it goes there's a roundabout just off of our property adjacent to it and it's going to go up and go to the connection Point that's already built into marada right there it's already existing so it's existing hard Pavements already there yeah okay now let's go to the South no yeah cuz I have a question on the south okay so let's go to the South okay how can we make that connection all the way down to over pass the develop oh you're talking about south of sou of your property going down the the next segment being built down is being built by the ailly developer all the way down so we've already coordinated with them and that between the two projects they end up building like I don't know it's like a mile or mile are you talking just to make clear are you speaking eltis overpass okay that section wasn't studied we didn't we didn't assume that we needed it and there no and Steve can comment on it there's no failures it's not needed for our study purposes okay and for Access and the way connected City Works we

wouldn't be required to build that in any event however I have told the neighbors several times that I'm working with the county and several other developers to try to coordinate a process to bring it to fruition we don't need it for this project but I would like to have it for connected City and if I can get the county to help me just so you guys know building this extent of roadway even just as a two-lane road we will generate far more immobility fee credits than we can ever use so we will end up spending several million dollars we can't ever monetize to build a road that's for the Count's benefit so my client can't go also out and build another $2.5 million worth the road that we don't even need for our traffic study but here's where I need your help and I've been talking with staff about this there are fees that are paid in from marata and I know a lot of them are going towards the interchange and the cost there but if you came to me and the county could find a way from the fees that are being paid in from within connected City to provide the funding we will construction manage the project to build that next segment that again we don't need it but we'll help out and do it but we just don't have the money to do it that's the problem but it's a convenience issue for the county and I think the neighbors would like it too I how it didn't get built it was part of erson and they just dedicated the right away and it looks like the ponds but for some reason they didn't build it and I don't know the backstory there so i' say I think the I think the extension from existing mckendry where it's to it's going to connect where it's a j right road now right now needs to be done and I think this connection needs to be done so I would I really need the County's help again I've talked with staff about it at length and so far the answer I get is we don't want to do anything we we don't we don't have the funds we don't want to do anything and over the over time the county is going to really want that connection all right so continue on okay so I wanted Steve to just answer some of the traffic okay issues we brought Steve Henry linkon Associates by 23 West Laurel Tampa 33607 U just to answer a few of the questions and first to kind of again give you a broad brush of the connected City this is different than any other part of the county other than vop in which we did a master plan financial plan Master roadway plan the analysis was done to evaluate what roads are needed and then what we do is is unlike any other area in the county we actually use 2045 model to evaluate as we move forward so what we're required to do we've established under the master plan how many lanes are needed for each road so then what we do is we come in with each project we add those projects to what's already approved in the model and we run the new model on 2045 and look at what roadways necessary to be able to build the project and so we keep building on that as the projects continue to get approved within

connected City so from this one we looked at that we we already we included the appr property that was already previously approved we added this one to it and one of the the comments was that we did single family we in fact used multif family and town homes which is what we're asking for that's what was in the analysis to evaluate what sections of road we needed what intersection improvements are needed and from that standpoint we didn't need that segment of um Kenton from Elum to overpass agree ultimately that in the model and in the long range plant that's needed and I agree with uh Mr hobby that there's a way to get that done and we're working with a number of developers within connected City that may be able to get something done there but right now as part of this project it was not needed we we did are adding turn Lanes at Elum and Kenton in order to make that work as an unsignalized intersection but it did operate acceptable level of service from that standpoint uh one of the other things that that came out was uh the eperson overpass intersection just let you know that we've already actually submitted the signal plans for that the uh developers hired a contractor and we're working as fast as we can with your staff to get that one signalized as soon as we can that's EP and EP EP and overpass okay so that that's being done so um then the um as far as the the 450 Homes at a stop sign I've been doing this for 30 years I've never heard that that criteria for a stop sign we we we use the uh Highway capacity manual software to look at that which is the federal guidelines to look at what what geometry is needed and what level of service of the intersections and that's what your staff look looks at too when we look at these intersections federal guidelines what could go wrong yeah right thank you thank you Commissioners just just one last thing I I I I hate to be like this but I just want to make it very clear this property in this area has never been in a rural PL people keep saying that it's not true I was here I've been involved in all the comp plan stuff this was never in a rural area and even if it was the legislature changed the rules in 2015 and we adopted comp plan policies six years ago and we have to follow those we're doing the right thing here and you're going to see a project that you're proud of like I said Michelle the guy that you all met wants to do a quality project that's lacking in Connected City that we believe is going to be a focal point on bring Community together we need that in this area so I think think it's going to be a great project and you know I'm happy to answer any other questions you might have but I think that it's entirely appropriate that the board supported at this point any questions Mr how many um how many units are going in here uh well I that's a little bit in flux but I think it's 800 was under the traffic study which was a combination of apartments and Tow houses as we to as we said I think publicly we would likely convert a number of the

apartment uh units for retail which we're allowed to do Under the land use equivalency Matrix because we're going to need more retail up at the top of the project so that's where Michelle's mindset is up in that area well I guess I'm going to say the same thing again do we does it have to be Apartments can it be another form of multi-use well yes it can be it's it could it can be town I mean that's not the only thing it could be commissioner I'm just telling you that's what the traffic study said up in the northern area that's called partial to and let me find the list of uses it could be up there FY the retail uses are extremely limited there's a bunch of stuff that you all wouldn't want car dealerships and all that kind of stuff can't be in the retail area so it's going to be the kind of retail uses you want and partial two you can have Villas Town Homes roow house commercial retail apartments and then the service ready site acreage which includes commissioner starky vertically mixed use stuff is allowed you just can't in the service ready site acreage have first floor only retail that's what basically prohib I'm not worried about the northern part I'm worried about the southern part and I'm just just wishing that someone would come in I think I know who the user is I don't think they do that but I wish we'd see garden homes a a a walkable community that has something with front porches and tree line streets and commissioner commissioner I understand but just again that's why we brought in someone who's got an urban background to help with all that stuff and they're going to be our development partner that's why they're there that's on the north right not on the no they're going to be the development partner on everything oh okay I thought they just taking no he's primarily interested in the retail cuz that's his background but he's going to be our partner on everything okay on the Northern excuse me on the Northern piece you're going to have um commercial use along with some apartments whatever on both sides of the road up that way if it's split yes and we have to have the office up there as well right okay so I I will say I'm uncomfortable with what I see that we're looking at right and for the reasons we've talked about right I I want to find a way that we can tell them look we're going to let you go put your single family in right I want to see that we can go change the road set the way he wants it I want to see him put all the intensity he wants in that upper quadrant to make that a Piaza or whatever you want to call it but something that's going to be the heavy duty retail with the E and in the place to be that people want to come to be without demanding all the apartments that we like would Sayan you got to put them in I don't want to even go there because what if they decide they walk out out this door here and they say you know what let's go put apartments in be crazy if we didn't cuz we make more

money I would like to find a way to tell him now or as quick as possible that you can put your single family in and you can put that high-intensity commercial up above with your retail with your office and whatever residential you want to put above it commissioner I think I think the issue in doing that is the fact they have a financial plan and if you change that density to a lesser density then somebody's got to pay more money because that changed their financial plan is that right what I've been told from staff is you have to take this very carefully because of the considerations on the financial plan and it could create a shortfall that might result in assessments of everyone in Connected City but hold on commissioner I I will say this I've heard I've heard your comments before I understand I've heard your comments and if the county determines that more single family detached are allowed we would have no objection on our end to having that be an allowable use and partial I believe it's partial one uh which is the the blue one on the South Side the larger partial I just I got to make sure that the count the real issue is if it falls short on the financial end somebody's got to pay that's right and and so I can't just we can't we should not willy-nilly just say we're going to do that we have to understand what the effects could be and like I said I know we got a meeting coming up we're going to look at this so we're going to study that and it's going to get have to get looked at we looked at it but the same thing in vop has a same issue they have a financial plan too you change densities then you change their financial plan and everybody if you're in to already have your entitlements you could be paying more for those if you reduce them somewhere else that money's got to be spread over the entire development and commissioner rley we actually did that at theop they actually had they decided they didn't enough money they came back they says we're going to charge more money so we can get what we need but I think it's so important for us just let's face it who knew it was going to be this hot for growth every step of the way right it's it's it's a great problem to have but let's think about so let's think about how to solve it there's some things that in here that V that vop and connected cities are not going to be able to fix in time that doesn't impact these residents tremendously now we've got an MS you coming up with roads that could help you've got money in there again your hospital right across the way that you could say for economic development you could say you want to build this e replac and to get that you need to have that uh that help as well there sourcer to way to find the funding to make these other connections and I'll say the southern connection and then the mckendry one to the to the north I'm okay with look at other sources to fund it not even from from waiting for connected cities and and we should do that because we got a great we got two

awesome plans like talking our enger County engineer Nick he says man I said I don't know how to deal with the vop in this are you got special rules here special rules there cuz he's never seen that before this is great creative development but again after 20 18 years needs to get looked at again maybe needs to be tweaked again but I think we as a commission have got enough great things going on with other things going around the area that we should look to find a way to make these things work so connected cities can build the best product that's good for the area not just for the initial plan but what's best for the area and the same thing for our citizens all around it we can do that but and I'm flexible with it to to find the other sources we need to make these connections to make it better so every day I reson for in better shape yeah I mean we've seen great great traffic studies but guess what reality is reality we can look but concerned about who's going to pay that extra money may may I offer something to a couple of thoughts here on this number one we work with your staff every day and as you've heard this been a two-year process to get to here and we're trying to be responsive to staff's understanding what the planning vision is for the area so I don't want to undercut them and I know Brad in particular feels very strongly that this area shouldn't have single family detached and so I just want you all to understand that in the spirit of full disclosure however you all know I do a lot of work for Dr Horton and DR Horton is one of the largest single family detach home builders in the country so we do not object to having the ability on the larger partial to the South is partial one from having the option so having said that I did create language that I could read in that would allow that to be a possibility if the board determines based on this study you're talking about that more single family detached might be available in Connected City so is it proper for me to read this into the record as a potential condition to allow it I I definitely want to hear it um I'd love to put it in and if you can put a timeline to give us to make it available maybe that puts the urgency we need to make that happen too right okay and and maybe what we would do yeah I know I got that so I think what I would add in condition number 37 where it presently ends I would add the following language not with standing the forging if additional single family detached units become available for construction in Connected City prior to the issuance of the first preliminary development plan SL preliminary site plan in partial one single family detached units shall be in allowed use in partial one and in such event the applicant developer May submit a non-substantial modification to the PUD to provide for the conditions for the same but in any event 45 and 55 ft wide Lots shall be specifically allowed subject to the applicant developers compliance with the requirements of PDD memo PM

26 concerning such 45 and 55 foot wide Lots that's the memo you just adopted with the most regulations in it and then we need to add one other thing in speaking with David and Steve Henry the non-substantial modification shall include modifications to the Loom or land use equivalency Matrix to allow the conversion of the approved multifam and townhouse units to single family detached I know it's a mouthful but if you all determined that there are more single family detached units out there this would give us the option of doing it and verting some of our entitlements for those purposes on partial one or if we allow the creation of that's right but okay see where I'm going with it okay if it if you don't if don't if there aren't any and there adverse financial plan considerations we won't do it we'll build what staff told us we had to build well we got to go through that study okay we then do that I think it's a smart thing to do mean that it's within the board's purview I think we got flexibility that's why people elected us to make these decisions and we got we got plans that we can adjust and I think we work together to look at them it's worth it okay well if you all make a motion if you would please include that language to ACH you know meet your objectives any other questions for the applicant or staff no okay I'll make a motion to include that verb as he just had so if we can get a copy of that yeah I'll get okay thank you all right second okay any further discussion all in favor say I I any opposed motion passes that's an approval of the project as modified as modified with okay if if it works we if it doesn't work we were still the same project yeah I just want to make sure no appreciate that uh p15 Pro yes Mr chair item P 105 was published in the Tampa Times on August 2nd 2023 for a couple [Music] years thank you hi again hello good evening so before I start who did you [Laughter] offend so I do have a couple things that um I would like to include I know that there was some um worry of collaboration between a couple of the projects that are submitting in in this uh Village so I have the approved modified Village plan for both of them um and I would just like to submit it for the park then on second I would have um some emails with the applicant and some of the land owners in the area regarding um rideway acquisition for w Road and their all denial of selling in the near future y so we have a motion to receive and file do we have to from that's staff you don't have to have much you do or not or do you I don't know that's just make sure some make make sure that it's yeah normally I think we do do a motion to receive move to receive and file okay all in favor say I I we'll

take [Music] care so this is PDD 23771 uh The Village Green MPD and so this is a zoning Amendment and it's rezoning a resoning request from AR agriculture residential and ar1 agriculture residential to an Mudd master plan unit development District uh to allow for 470 dwellings town homes and apartment uh and 100 or I'm so sorry 14,000 ft of neighborhood scale commercial uh located on the west side of w Road approximately a half mile north of prospect here's a location within the county here is the location within uh vop here is the aerial of the property the surrounding area for you uh the current zoning ar1 and AR and so here's uh a picture of the the master plan for you if you can see that little center part right there that is going to be their Village Green that's their center located lawn uh and where their commercial is going to be located um going to be mixed use um social Gathering Place some weekend markets stuff like that a really good Community Asset in my mind and here's again just that uh zoomed in you can see that that centrally located green and that lawn space that park space uh right in the center for you so they are asking for a couple variations uh first from section 5252 A1 a neighborhood commercial District to allow for sales outside again they're having weekend markets stuff like that uh they want to be able to conduct business uh outside of a building uh section 95.2 D site perimeter landscape buffering and screening uh to remove the internal landscape buffer in between different uses uh section 95.1 e amount of land required for for parks to count only 35% of the Village Green that's that Center centrally located Park that they have towards the acquired park space uh section 9022 L uh to reduce a storm eent around the Village Green where the future commercial space will be located and section 905 2. d. 6 to remove the landscape uh requirements for storm Mar facilities located near public so let me go back one more time so going back uh to to section two and I totally meant to have my variation analysis up here uh to remove the internal landscape buffers uh between different uses like I said they have that commercial area and the residential stuff like that you wouldn't want to buffer in between uh an existing neighborhood you want to have it cohesive you want to have it um open to the public it doesn't get rid of the requirement for building Landscaping so they're still required to provide that Landscaping um like I said they only want to count 35% of that centrally park space for the actual Parks their actual Parks requirement it is multi uh faceted it is going to be a storm water retention area as well as a park so they didn't want to count the full thing towards park space because it's multi-use but they did want to have some um some of that percentage count towards

and the parks department did approve this variation um there is uh like I said the Village Green is going to be a storm water retention area uh so they wanted to reduce the easement around the Village Green where those commercial loc uh those commercial areas will be located uh the intent of this code is to provide access for maintenance uh you know mowing and stuff like that and so they'll have that access through that commercial area and last uh remove the Landscaping requirements for storm water facilities located in your public rideway like I said there this is kind of a duplicate Landscaping that they would would have had to do they already have to do perimeter buffers and stuff like that and so they'll the is basically removing the double dipping from them and so there was one added condition from the the PPC uh the planning policy committee which is to bind the effective date of The Village GRE mpud to the approval of uh the comp plan CPA 04 PDD 2426 and that was earlier on our agenda um I believe it was item 91 or 92 it is uh the village BNC text amendment that we talked uh very extensively about earlier so we do have we've been back and forth with this wart Road situation so PDD has been asking for the applicant to build W road we give them Transportation development fee credits as we've been kind of talking in exchange for uh INF infrastructure however given the the technical requirements for building the road and again all the uh some Property Owners refusing to sell right away we will not be able to build that road for a long time and then we risk getting into the imminent domain uh problem which I don't think anyone really wants to do so instead we've come up with an alternative they will provide an access point with you know pedestrian access with golf cart access to W Road uh once it is fully built out either by the county or developer um but but right now it'll be reserved to uh emergency vehicle access and so this comes with a recommendation of approved with conditions so emergency access I mean who's going to drive down a dirt road with a fire truck when you get curly Road right beside it why is that even there uh the emergency access is primarily just so we can transition to the full functional access once the developer or once the road is actually built one day so it's more of like a PL planning ahead it's going to be not really access it's just going to be it'll be gated um for now and then again like I said once the road gets built so we're trying to put connectivity with r Road that's why we're originally trying to do it now we're finding out the residents don't want to sell they don't want to see it developed what have you done to do improvements on curly so we don't have any improvements on curly currently like I said we discussed this earlier there's no real

time frame for it and with their transportation anal say they didn't trigger any more improvements and I'm not a transportation planner unfortunately but that is just how I understand the situation and they're just not putting enough trips on the road can I can I commiss st so but they do have to pay Mobility fee yes so they will pay for their full Mobility fees they're not providing any infrastructure so those Mobility fees will go into the general vop fund that could be used for curly in the future whatever the county decides or again W Road in the future really it it goes into a pot that we can distribute to the entire District how many cars going to be entering the road from Village Green from like Bu from this project so uh I said there would be an emergency access but they wouldn't be able to access it but can that be no I mean going out on curly how many how many traffic count do you have going out on curly I do not know that off the top of my head I would have to defer to the applicant for that how many units it is 470 it is a mix of apartments and Town Homes be a lot of a lot of traveling traic commissioner shy on the emergency a access that can be a a bike trail or pedestrian pedestrian access they can ride their bikes up work to get to the corner or someone who wants to come to an activity at their Village Green and think of starky Market that's very similar to what they're doing that way other people that are up on curly or what's the road going this way mcab Clinton M they can come down work on a bike and go into the neighborhood to to access the watering hole or whatever um on the village creen so that's good well what's traffic yeah work Road they don't I mean they don't want to have traffic anyway but you can just go a little bit further come up curly same roadway coming in and you're Clos to the Village Ren without having to go around all the homes so I mean you get to the same place without uh bothering what road more importantly if you improve if you improve a big pedestrian way coming up if nothing else on curly you at least take people in a safe area it's there is one on curly the multiuse path is on curly it's on it's on the same side yeah it's on that side this is on the east side is it in the plan or is it already there because I don't think it's already there you know I'm not I'm not sure where it is I'm pretty sure it's not there I think it might be on the other side of the street well well the applicant's going to come up I know we talked about this in his course in my meeting with him so anyway so so no improvements are being made on curly Road and you're forgetting about the road improvements where the center was going to be we switched it over now now we move the density over to this side and we're doing nothing to improve and with the other side where connected city is we don't know what they're going to do and we don't have any connection

there either and this is going to be a six lane road we just don't know when exactly and when that six Lane Road does come in it will have those multi-use passs and uh lanes and stuff like that as well let me ask another question there's a little jog out in the piece where it says we Road in AC you've got Retention Ponds on both sides and then you got Apartments going right behind now from everything we've been hearing there's like should be a setback from one zoning class to another minimum I've heard I think is 25 and you apartments right behind this guy's property does that seem right yeah so we actually have um on the mpud boundary there is a I believe 30 foot um setback from from the RightWay from work uh for anything over two stories and then I believe anything over three stories is 35 ft um and then um again the the storm water ponds around his his NE Bond's house would be conceptual at this point so but behind his house were not not North and South where the Retention Ponds are going to be behind them you get Apartments going right behind this guy's house yeah and and like I I mentioned before there is still a 30 to 35t setback from the property line to make sure that they're not right up against them but why wouldn't you like put Town Homes as a stag buffer between the two the supposed apartment's right behind it I I don't disagree I mean that would be up to the applicant to change that um but you made the recommendation for approval yeah I I didn't make a recommendation approval I mean apartments and town homes and single family apart or a single family housing are all fairly compatible especially when we have a Village Center like this where South you have five doing breaker then even before that you have two dwelling breaker so that's my personal opinion pling opinion commission W thank you chair this this goes back to what the conversation we had earlier the identity of what the core is supposed to be what product was planned where and then now the direction that we're headed and you know staff does bring forward thing bring forward items recommendation for approval that we box um it goes back to the planning the planning process in the direction we want to go with this project we already started making decisions on portions of this on this on the section here the mccab mpud that shifted the the the village a little bit um you know and this plan here is it's conceptual anyway I mean it's Unique in the sense that there will be a 4 acre perk pond that's going to add lifestyle abilities and potential fun place to be That's Unique it might be the only place in the county that that could be done but to me it's a bigger this is a this decision today and in my mind is not just about this specific project it's about how this the vop is going to take off and when we make these decisions today I think it sets the

mccab Pud and now the villages on the green it's going to set precedent for how we what we decide for the future of each Village throughout the course of this project so the decisions that we make today are are going to be looked upon as this project develops so to me it's a broader this this conversation is a a broader policy discussion and I'm a bit nervous to make it have to be forced to make a call today in haste to be quite honest I want to make sure we we get this right it has nothing to do with the project and you I mean Villages of the green is a very unique project that was you I don't think there you haven't seen any anyone like it and they've been they've worked incredibly hard to bring forward a unique project to this area but does it does it fit and that's my my concern with being forced to make a decision today without further I think we have to anyway commiss this is a Bop product right it has gone before the board for vop before it came to us so what you're talking about they should have already looked at to say that does fit in their their plan cuz they have a board of citizens I put a member on there and I probably each each district put a member on that that board to help look at these items before we get them so unless someone knows that they didn't look at this issue about if it fit that's kind of on the vop because I would think that's what they they would be looking for they're making sure their villages in vop fit for where they're supposed to go well okay thought you were through sorry David might have answer U Mr Steiner might have that answer David sits on that board right advis he advises that board H he advises that board advises that but is that true what I just stated that's I'd like to know that I think it's so yes it's true that they did look at this project and they approved it they found that it was a good fit what about the Planning Commission they don't see it does not go to the Planning Commission oh it goes to vop they operate as the Planning Commission for B yeah commission wait thank you chair but Mr goon wasn't there a considerable dialogue around this I mean it's they approved it but the context is important because they caught they did their job they caught something and had significant dialogue and conversation so and we doing what we're doing yes but most of that dialogue to my recollection was about concern about the effect that this plan would have on other property owners in the village so for example I I don't know if we have a Graphic of the entire Village um um but there there was a concern that and and Christy Baro from height raised this concern is there's another project called St Leo Commons which is coming in

at the northern part of this Village and so the concern was that unless that plan Amendment got approved that you discussed earlier today that there wouldn't be enough high density areas for both this project to get approved and St Leo Comm so that's why that committee put a condition on this approval that said it's not effective until that complain amendment is approved and effective so they so I'm not sure that the committee was concerned about this project per se they were concerned about the effect this project would have on the other property owners in the village and that was the majority of the discussion and there was a discussion about should it be first come for serve and yeah you know I remember asking the applicant why did you take entitlements from St Leo Commons and they said we were the first ones in um but the way that that was resolved by the committee was the imposition of this additional conditions but I think to commissioner oley's point I don't think they had an underlying concern with the actual project it was more what is it going to do to another property own but it deals with this if the applicant wants you know has a different recollection I'm happy to let them win but that was my recollection but they were visiting this this project as a single Village they were not thinking about any other Villages they were thinking about this they were they were definitely looking at just this Village yeah and but they were concerned about the rest of the village so for example St Leo Commons my understanding is they want to do some vertical mixed use type development which I know commissioner starky is a fan of and so I don't think they wanted to do something with this project that would preclude St Le Commons from doing what they want to do right so that's why they ended up with the condition saying that until this plan amendment is approved it allows the village to basically get bigger then they either both are going to fail or or they're both going to get approved but they didn't want Village Green to get approved and then not be able to approve St Leo that was effectively what they were concerned about and if staff of the applicant have a different recollection I welcome their comments so the the problem that goes with the area the original circles Road was the center curly Road was going to be still six Lane you've got connected cities right beside it in the connected cities part that's right on their southern southern part of Clinton na or mcab Road um right in there there's no connection coming out that means everybody from marada is going to come down below this picture they're going to have to take this new road which we don't know from what staff says when it's going to be ready when it's going to be done uh driven drove drove down it I don't recall any Trail being there alongside that two lane road and anybody if they're coming from W road if they're trying to get out

they're going to go around and it's going to be a a bit of a hassle to get out there and get out there and and get to 52 as well so it's not the project bad right you got a you got a nice design it's a good setup other than the one guy that I think you're kind of like crimping on you know what you're setting up is good I'm just worried about all the traffic and it's not just connected it's not just vop beside it you got connected City to the other side where I don't know if you get all the infrastructure in place that we're going to need to have to get all these extra units coming in until you make those improvements at a minimum if you're going to try to make this where people are going to come to you got to have a way to get there one way or the other and I just don't see that yet um and and I and I'm glad we're going to go take a look closer to Connected City but I think Bop needs to look at this close too and again with the other par coming above it and across the way I mean it's it's it's not what was designed I I can appreciate the shift of what we're doing and the density doesn't bother me but the transportation infrastructure is what concerns me at this point how we going to make it all work okay any other thoughts for staff all right Mr Landis uh thank you uh chairman for the record Bruce Landis 3810 Northdale Boulevard sweet 100 Tampa Florida and you have been sworn and I have been sworn long time ago not quite so do I have to redo that uh thank you appreciate uh the comments and questions I I I do want to affirm what uh Mr Goldstein uh mentioned that that is um the discussion that occurred at the Village of Pasadena Hills uh planning and policy committee um the I'd like to just address one of the comments and then reserve the rest of my time to you know allow response to uh the residents uh we will also I think in in some of those comments address the the uh roadway system uh questions that you have um directly on the uh Village of Pasad Hills comprehensive plan the village Plan B when that was first developed that was when that was before um uh connected cities went into place and so therefore uh when Village of Pasadena Hills the um village plans and the comprehensive plan was adopted it said that it they those that was the concepts for those nodes but they would be looked at as MP UDS went through uh and were being considered and approved so it it envisioned back then 15 plus years ago some transition and this particular node B is one that's in transition because of two things because of the connected cities and marada development that occurred after that and and then also the construction of a state highway through the very heart of of the node so I'd like to I have um staff to be able to um testify and provide more information on that as far as how we're compliant with the comprehensive plan in the intent that was built there but I would like to with your permission just Reserve that to uh for response to some of the

residents um I mean I I would put your presentation on in full rather than just waiting to respond okay okay um so if I can't U where okay there great so um some of the I guess in addressing the um comprehensive plan um staff has found our petition in compliance with the plan they had initiated the comprehensive plan Amendment uh as you heard earlier today and we certainly um welcome and support it uh the vop uh planning policy committee uh unanimously recommended um our mpud for approval to you recognizes recognizing that it complies with the vop comprehensive plan uh they did feel a lot more comfortable and as do as excuse me Dr thank you Jessica Co at Landa Evans and partners 3180 northo Boulevard Tampa I have been sworn so as Mr Landis mentioned um we have a state road now bisecting our Village um m a nice Country Road has now turned into a potential to be a six Lane uh Highway when we initially were confronted by staff about the comprehensive plan Amendment we discussed a few things making sure that there was enough entitlements to go around um as the comprehensive plan amendment that you folks heard earlier stated there is some unused density in the village general or neighborhood General in the neighborhood Edge and that comprehensive plan Amendment would allow that density be transferred to the center so this is not an issue with any density or entitlements this is about allocating certain land area to accommodate that Village core one of the things that was also discussed on on the planning level was having non-residential uses to serve those residential uses on both sides of macave that is specifically so that people don't have to cross over that State Road in order to get to those non-residential serving uses the other to that we mentioned um and I believe it was to the point of being outside of the quarter mile walking distance radius was the fact that vop did add golf carts as a as required and preferred use similar to Connected City there is a lot of push on staff to make sure we have that infrastructure not only internally to our site but externally so that people don't have to get in a normal traditional car they can get in their golf car and travel to these areas we thought that was a brilliant idea we do also um plan on having some golf cart parking adjacent to our Village Green on this side where our non-residential uses are these three units are anticipated to house our retail neighborhood serving and the two brown units above that are intended to be Flex office space we do intend upon having these apartments surrounding the Village Green our thought was to keep the density internal centralized to commissioner Mariano and wayman's point about this parcel kind of being right next to the apartments we do have an mpud condition that does say that these three story units have to be 30 ft away from the prop the mpud

boundary um we this is a concept so we do have the opportunity to relocate some of those Town Homes if that makes the board feel more comfortable with this project um we do intend upon having pedestrian and bicycle connections at the time of this development's construction so not at a later date we will build that 24 Access Road vehicular access to the property boundary but that will be a gated for emergency access only until W road is improved this will allow for people who are biking and walking to use the country road of w Road and access things on maave and get to where they need to go and ideally also get to the non-resident I'm sorry the non-residential uses that are going to be provided hopefully proposed soon right on this Southeast corner of the intersection of macab and 52 I do understand the concerns with the ever-flowing changes that we see in vop specifically with the villages vop was designed to especially in the comp plant guide us to these plants every mpud that seeks approval before the Bop board and you folks has to submit their Village B plan as Mr two very graciously or succinctly explained during the comprehensive plan Amendment it is up to staff and the vop and you folks to determine if that is compliant one of the things that we really tried to do was create placemaking we wanted to make sure that people didn't have to travel very far to enjoy their quality of life we do see a rise about 25% of the workforce is not going to be working in an office anymore they are going to remain working from home we do love the concept of having these wonderful Flex space uses and even maybe you know in the club houses we can have some of those Flex space uses so that people can have a conference call or have some meetings but not have to travel all over um even to Tampa to get to their their their workplaces this is not a traditional design that people see in Pasco this is a traditional neighborhood design that we really are proud of this implements really the vision of what Bop was supposed to be this grid-like pattern that makes us not have to walk miles to get to our neighbor that allows us to see our kids playing in in a local Gathering space from the luxury of our maybe our apartment or our town home this really does inspire The Village Green I'm sorry the village node of what Bop was trying to do with these cores and spanning out density we didn't want to sell our neighbors short we do understand that we don't control that South uh east corner of the intersection we don't know when that will become commercial but we want our residents to enjoy their quality of life right away and that's why we're asking for the 14,000 ft of neighborhood serving residential on our site we know that if they can't get groceries there it's not going to be a Publix there are prohibited uses we're not going to have drive-throughs this is for your mom and pop businesses this is to make that Community feel be just that part of this community we do understand the concerns

of having to expand the village but we are not increasing density we are spreading that density out specifically in Village B we do see that there is a big encumbrance of the lake and wetlands there are flood ples going through parts of the property typically through this area into a connected City and we also do as Mariano commissioner Mariano mentioned earlier during the comprehensive plan Amendment have a storm water Pond and erupting our core this the all these things including the interruption of State room 52 were reasons why staff initiated the comp plan amendment to shift the Village Center so that it can be utilized the non-residential uses so it can be utilized by both residents on the North and the South of this property I will say that the the acre of commercial um uses is kind of the Catalyst that is kind of what makes this Village Green work we don't necessarily see people sitting out in an empty space along a green we see them dining and and having coffee and visiting with their people yes uh on this plan that you're showing right now yes sir you have twostory and three-story buildings two story Town Homes three-story Apartments okay where are the three story compared to the neighbors in the area and I don't have a measurement on this but our conditions would require a minimum of a 30ft setback from the MP property boundary but your three-story are not next to the edge are they correct they are not I heard they were in the well the only concern I believe commissioner Mariano had was this area right here where Mr Garrett Keith has his property and those are I believe in if I'm phrasing your statement correctly closer than you would expect for a home that's existing but can I say something on that cuz I I thought so too and then I then I went in and you know how I do on my map can you can you highlight that again yeah his house is up front those are barns in the back yes he's relocated some historical um structures onto his site M okay I'll turn it back over to uh Mr L unless you like to all right thank you Jessica um so Commissioners yes we we certainly do have flexibility let me make sure I this correct um in this area are we could easily shift those over to here so that we could provide a a phasing or a buffering of all the private properties uh through there so we certainly have the flexibility of that and we can change the Village Green to more of a square shaped um so we do have the flexibility to do that and would be happy to do that what if you what if you took the apartments and took the two buildings on the edges and turned them sideways and then moved the other two over you had yes we could we could do that look at a 45 yeah but I'm Mak sure that's an issue because those are barns in the back that's not that's not his house so when he's looking out the window he's seeing his barns I mean the PES are way back and

there's a lot of trees there so I I personally don't see that as an issue I think this is one of the best layouts we've seen personally I really like it thank you commissioner um so I do want to address I uh chairman um Mr chairman your your your questions on the infrastructure uh um just in overview um our traffic impact uh study conclusively shows that the existing Network can handle the existing traffic and our project on there and and staff agrees that the existing two-lane curly Road can handle our traffic or the cars from our uh MP the majority of our traffic vehicular traffic uh will go to the North and then mostly to the west and then some to the east on mcab um Road the state highway through there um the county staff nevertheless they require rideway from us along uh the curly Road Frontage and also wart Road Frontage on the curly Road Frontage they're requiring 83 ft of rideway from the center line of the road and that will match uh about 82 feet on the other so that will provide if I do my math right 165 ft or so which would accommodate a future six Lane divided um section through there uh the the staff did condition um our our mpud condition 17 which outlines the turn Lanes left turn Lanes um and right turn Lanes on curly road so those would be in place regardless of whether it's two lane or widen to you know four to six um and and I think you discussed earlier um the vop financial plan identifies curly Road being widened to four lane divided and it identifies that as you discussed earlier the impact Mobility fees from the approved Bop muds would fund uh that construction uh infrastructure and and again as we discussed it can be directed the county can direct it to the uh curly road if that at that point needs to be widen or W road to turn that into um a one of the vop vision roads and in fact as uh Mr G cvy mentioned condition 21 uh implements that and and provides that for us um my traffic engineer Theo Petri is here to answer any questions you might have as far as capacity goes or or safety on the roadways he's yes ma'am um can you talk about the arrows uh going north and south I guess on the sides of your project oh yes yes ma'am um so from day one we envisioned this and work with staff in terms of okay how can we help implement the village B uh concept and that's the the grid Network kind of an open uh circulation that's familyfriendly and that's really mostly oriented for bicycle pedestrian and you know growing golf cart and so um we have on the um Master circulation plan which is binding um on our plan those arrows that you see here we have that same pattern that's shown on the general um circulation plan the green arrows would be potentially motor vehicle connections and the yellow areas would be arrows would represent the bicycle pedestrian connections so we intend to have um more than one connection to W Road it would be though limited to Bicycle pedestrian because that's really what we're trying to bring about through this kind of development is that bicycle pedestrian golf cart circulation to the joining

properties as they don't have to open them up right now but when they're developed then they will have that flexibility to implement that that grid pattern that's desired um commissioner I Mr chairman I think unless there are any other initial questions I'd like to reserve the rest I think it's good strategy at this point pardon I think it's a good strategy at this point thank you okay um and I would take public comment and Madonna wise who was a person who I spoke with with a group of different people asked for some extra time I granted it just look go what the number was 10 minutes thank you so much County Commission I'm a former principal in fact I taught one of people up here um and at this point in time if I were at my school I'd probably have us doing exercises thank you so much you have been so patient today and I think I have a whole new understanding of the County Commission so I appreciate your time this is my husband Ernie um we are both retired Educators we represent 27 Neighbors in our area I think you have that sign sheet Miss Wise before you continue on could you state your name and address for the record I'm Madonna Jervis wise I'm at 32907 Leonard Road and then whether or not you War same address thank you and then have you both been sworn yes yes we were both sworn earlier we've been enjoying the whole day okay thank you um and we do have a PowerPoint and wonderful Sonia is going to rent it for me you would never know I was uh a director at Florida Virtual School I supervised 200 teachers but I still need a lot of help Sonia so thank you um we are here we're here with some other neighbors and we really here to talk about quality of life because uh this for us is quality of life and I don't mean to be dramatic but please help us save our quality of life um this is a beautiful sunset on one of the horse farms that we look at almost every day and it it is changing uh drastically I did bring by the way Ernie in my resume and I wanted to give this um we have several degrees or a Bist um a variety of other things but anyhow um pause time I have a second all favor say I go ahead oh sorry okay and the other materials as well um if you can go ahead um some of our credentials I I've done Federal grant writing for three school districts I'm pretty familiar with this format but I'll tell you what after that neighborhood meeting it took me a lot of uncovering to begin to understand this this is very very complex um go ahead uh we just really want to share with you our concerns um these are the next slide shows you the signatures of the neighbors but you have a better copy of this um overwhelmingly there is concern and these are the things we want and I don't mean to be too demonstrative here you got to realize I'm coming from a different orientation but the next slide we'll show you what

we wanted and I don't want anybody to panic on this because I think as we go through this PowerPoint you'll understand uh we need a density a density that's about five per acre 10 per acre commercial density really interferes with our cohesive neighborhood big time uh we need to exclude three story structures and some of that has already been revealed in terms of why that would be and we definitely need Ernie's going to share with you traffic information from your your operation from Lisa Davis or from Amy Davis um we need an installation of a stoplight on curly I go out every morning with my dog and I watched the traffic on curly it's heavy duty commercial traffic and Ernie will share with you the the um actual cly and what intersection cly what intersection section curly in what intersection M we're we're on the uh the Leonard Side we're we're right we're curly turns into Prospect so you want to light at cly and Prospect no we want to at this particular of the proposed bment and we'll share with you a little bit more about that as we go along but next thing I want to tell you that this has been a nightmare for us and I don't mean to blame anybody but why in the world could we not collaborate with this developer um there has been no collaboration whatsoever it started on March 30th with the neighborhood meeting there were nine people at the neighborhood meeting and everyone said we're very concerned about density and we were told that is carved in stone there's nothing you can do about it um it was a worry a real worry so we went back home and being Educators next one son um we researched this we called the county office Gavin was extremely helpful we look we went through records we spent a lot of time uh we were told we could write a letter and it would be filed uh would be taken into consideration by Bop we spent a couple of days on forming that letter try to make it as respectful as possible and put all of the things that we were concerned about um most of which was no communication no imput whatsoever um the huge density Road was a real concern at the meeting the neighborhood meeting people said that road needs to be vacated nobody bothered to tell us at that meeting that that is part of the vision for the future we had to find that out on our own we absolutely insisted on fencing and we were told oh I'm sorry so can you give us like a few minutes for the two of us with all the neighbors are we okay on time you got 10 minutes okay you got me turn I'm going okay so keep going um this was the letter just to let you know was pretty involved so we go to the V meeting next next slide um I don't think it happened exactly like they said there were other people there uh at one point um christe and Bruce were called up together and I remember they were

standing here and they were not too happy with each other you have to be at the mic so we can pick you up the record is is audio um but at that time um it the vop committee was kind of confused they said we've never done anything like this let's push it up to the commission that is my recol more I think well let's see if they approve it on zoning or not they more K the can up the road to you guys yeah so next we um and we also find out at the vop meeting next slide that our lot our letter was lost and I asked Gavin could we send this to the vop committee because it just seemed like we didn't have any input whatsoever we were able to do that um but it was kind of a shame because we had so much information okay next sequence in the timeline is we see on property shark with um Bill NY Bill NY happens to be a good friend of ours who Brett used to spend uh his childhood as our house but anyhow um we see it listed um it's already listed with the zoning as commercial listed as the average agent 23 it was just a concern and I talked to Gavin about that next slide this is what it looks like in the area um Majestic Oaks are everywhere this is one of the most most beautiful areas you'll ever want to find keep going there's just a few slides here we do have a problem with um Wildlife our fox squirrels have left um our owls have left um the construction has obviously driven them away um next Slide the Gopher Turtles literally are coming down our road they don't have any other way to get out of everon and marada because their habitat's been damaged um also Wild and coyotes are um they've already invaded the the horse farms these are um so in the next slide you'll see are the horse farms in the area you can keep going that's our neighbor that's the bling Saddle Horse Farm on W and um this these are just some of the slides in our area Okay so keep going and AR's going to tell you just a little bit about the traffic and accident situation okay uh on the southwest corner of their property uh this Memorial stands this young person lost her life uh adjacent to that property there's a little rise in the road it's a real hard area to see from uh you know I'm sure that was in part what caused that accident the next one please uh another accident happened there outside of the data that You' received earlier about a month ago roughly person lost control on the curve and curly and Prospect and unfortunately lost his life okay um let's see traffic course volume is very heavy essentially we're getting somewhere in the category of about little short of 6,000 vehicles through there per day uh these are done in the studies you have the details they're on your uh reports uh quick summary fatal axes three years and how many we've lost on that stretch the road traffic is a major

major concern that we have in addition to police and fire uh there know countywide has just not been able to keep up with the demand and then we're adding in more and more of course these are two of the one of the most recognizable homes here at Linda this is a very historic area and the the slide before shows you a Sears and robu house it's the mcab homestead and the do Park is right beside it this could be on the historical registry this kit came into San Antonio on um by rail by Rail and um it's it's really an Exquisite place but it is this development is buted up right against it so next slide what back one there we go this is the uh configuration all we want to say is is this really what we want this is Mr Keith's property at the back I've never seen anything like this except maybe in New York City where you see a skyscraper and a little house that wasn't developed he is going to have two storm water ponds and indeed four um apartment complexes right there um The Neighbors on um the uh the left side they're already concerned they're like in North Carolina and they're like these apartment buildings are literally going to be looking right into our bedrooms we don't understand um we know this is this schematic is nonbinding but it needs to be changed we're not wanting you to throw this out but this is going to affect a cohesive neighborhood we love our neighborhood and um it it it's a beautiful plan but as he say in Master Gardener training right plant right place this is right schematic but wrong place it just does not fit for us um the half the half mile the half mile distance that they extended which puts you in Lake Cy Crossing 52 Mrs wise 10 minutes is up just I want to ask you a question I'm going try to ask you again where exactly on on curly do you want that stop light okay okay maybe go back to the adjacent to the west side of the development So at their entry way cever would be recommended between their Northern and their southern there's not enough un boundaries to pay for C they'll be Crossing traffic and it will literally be a nightmare um and I don't know what the traffic traffic studies are but the accidents 50 accidents in a 5year period and they have involved a number of fatalities so we're going to end it I gave you the 10 minutes so got it thank okay thank you Mr chair I have no one else um signed up but I don't know if you want to call is there anyone from the audience who like to speak and Mr chair I have no one else signed up or no one on WebEx for this item someone's walking up can I may I please yes my name is Linda Snell I'm at 11241 wart Road San Antonio Florida and' were you sworn yes ma'am okay thank you um and I will try and be brief it's 5:00 um here for me as well um I'm not a density expert I don't

have a presentation I'm going to wax a little sentimental I guess um my home home as Madonna mentioned was built in 1889 um I'm the current resident of four generations of mccab um macabe Road was a very rural road uh worked is even more so it's a dirt road uh some of our friends have said you live on a dirt road and I said yes and we like it um so I am opposed to the amount of density I'm booed by the fact that the commission is talking about looking at a comprehensive plan that maybe was approved 25 years ago but is not reality for today for today's traffic um my great uncle was the third Abbot at St Leo my brother-in-law recently retired after 40 years with the date City Fire Department my nephew is a new firefighter as of two months ago um we're proud of this area and um as stewards of this area I'd like you all to help it sorry thank you anyone else signed up no one else has signed up does anyone else like to address this issue this this item is there any WebEx no one on WebEx and it comes to the board Bruce you want to come back up es if I may I'd like to address some of the comments that were made as far as um our availability we met with um neighbors three times um at those uh meetings we made available our email and and um and phone numbers uh we just received or saw U Mr and Mrs wise um email or or their their um their memo 2 days after the vpa planning and policy board committee meeting and uh immediately after we received that we reached out to staff who suggested they meet with the with the wises and and the wises then uh so we eagerly agreed and they um the wises then declined saying they they refused to meet with us didn't feel like it was appropriate um did not the please so um so not only did we have not only the required meeting but we had several voluntary meetings with them and they they many of the neighbors have my phone number talked with them on the phone a number of times at those meetings some of the things we did talk about was screening and um if I can switch over to our graphic we um have created conditions of approval um yeah if you want to go to um slideshow format that would help me we uh worked with the adjoining neighbors to have enhanced screening and buffering on the south side and also on the North side and then specialty buffering on the um Northwest side is there that is not is there a way you can oh you're pulling it up okay please save that picture I'm going to want to use that later on okay thank you oops so um yeah so we have additional screening on the on the right side which would be the south on the North side uh with um Miss smell Snell's property and then the uh Northeast Northwest Notch we also have additional buffering and the materials that the pensat has requested that we put in there so we've had quite

a bit of collaboration and condition uh of approval number 10 includes that um I would like to also say they they mentioned fencing along W Road um that quite frankly would be fine with us at the time we had said no we would prefer not to have any fencing we wanted to keep the um the perimeter of this open uh along W Road and also with the adjoining properties with the connection there as part of that grid pattern and interconnectivity however if the board feels like that that is uh something to to buffer off we'll be happy to do that I would like to address the safety and geometry of the roadway and and I'd like to ask Mr Theo Petri to um briefly address that thank you my name is Theo Petri I work for L of sens and partners 3810 Northdale Boulevard and I have been SW uh with respect to the crash data uh first of all I am a professional traffic operations engineer a certified roadway Safety Professional and I've been a professional traffic engineer for over 20 years and I've been a civil engineer working for the Department of Transportation for an additional 10 years before that so this is safety is not something I do it's what I do I looked at the crashes in a typical study we'll look at three years of data I actually looked at 44 months because the data out of fdot's repository I can get all the way through August of this year there were 29 crashes out there two involved vehicles uh eastbound or westbound just on McCade so those were really not on the curly section one occurred at the intersection of curly and mccab north of the intersection and one crash was specifically noted as within a work zone so I threw that out if you're following along at home now that leaves me 25 crashes in 44 months um the fatal crashes were single occupancy vehicles running off the road one of the per people was very intoxicated that one that happened in 209 20 2019 was before my study but was also a single vehicle crash that ran off the the road when you get down to it there are two crashes both no injury that occurred on that roadway people turning either left into or left out of a driveway or side street in four years this is not a high crash location a signal if you put one in if we warranted one you've got to meet warrants to put in traffic signals those are kind of the rules the reason you have to do that is if you put in a signal they cause crashes we know they cause crashes that why that's why we require a certain amount of delay before we put one in because there's a there's a cost associated with that I looked at the roadway the roadway meets the standards set course with the American Association of State Highway and transportation officials there's nothing non-compliant about the roadway with respect to the National guidance so it I can tell you what happened on every single crash all of those crashes I listed I read every single crash report a tire came off of a trailer and and and trailer lost control in one case

another one a pipe fell off we did have a side swipe of two large Vehicles going down the road where they one took another one's mirror off I know every crash that happened out there and the only crashes that would be of a type of someone coming out of a driveway getting involved in a crash two four years on that section no questions okay thank you thank you Theo um Commissioners I guess I'd like to conclude um with really just the the final highlight of how our mpud with your approval uh furthers the um Concepts and goals of the village B of the village of Pasadena Hills uh there's been a lot of talk about utilizing this unique piece of property this is along a ridge uh this is one of the the high ridges within Pasco County it's got wonderful uh soils and uh we've been able to develop a um sorry got to go backwards a comprehensive plan that takes um advantage of the setting of this property uh we certainly as I mentioned before can reconfigure the Village Green provide some buffering in there as a condition uh a transition of town homes rather than the apartments adjoining there um our goal is to really provide with this kind of community this community life that Miss uh K mentioned it provides a center for the community it it is in it is welcoming of the others in the community we have a number of conditions that allow us to be able to have those farmer Mar farmers markets for the local produce and to really provide a gathering uh spot and so we are here respectfully urging you to vote for a quality mpud in the village of Pasadena Hills this provides a grid pattern a very walkable community and I think this really encapsulates what's envisioned for the nodes of Village of Pasadena Hills so with that I'll answer any other questions that you might have Mr chairman and Mr first one of the reasons why I'm in support of your project is the design of it um but you're you're not the de developer you're the planner I I think I mean I'm I just asked my my attorney is is this plan binding and he said no conceptual so how do I get reassurances that I we're going to get these um rear loaded town homes and the walkable grid that you have in your plan well fair question commissioner uh we have a number of conditions of approval that Implement um the town homes that we have shown and the design we also have if I go back far enough to the um to the generalized Mobility plan and so that is that is page two of our Mudd plan um I will tell you that uh this is the third of entitlements uh of these kind of entitlements that I and my firm has done in the past two years the um amavi village mpud that's resoning uh 70 7586 that conceptual plan is exactly what we have site plan approval pending for and that's that 28 Acres on 52 is that the one that's the um in front of kind of in front of mar uh

that no that's one of them the one in front of the one in front of uh uh marada is the Leo at San Antonio that's 40 acres that's another nicely laid out one yes ma'am and that one's resoning 7600 that is exactly the same concept plan is exactly what we got approval for yeah so while we can't necessarily promise we'll implement this exact thing our track record shows we do what we follow through with and and the developer is here with me and our development Partners we're committed to that we've got that track record to implement that um I think this this respects the character of The Village B um nodal criteria and connection and that's what we're committed to do and we have plenty of conditions implementing that [Applause] questions I mean I want this that's what I'm vo on well I mean if that is intergal to your approval you could condition it that that the site plan submitted will be in substantial conformance with the conceptual that's been shown to you no and I think that gives them enough leeway to make minor tweaks but it's not going to be a wholesale revision I would want that condition okay any other questions commissioner waitman no I just I just want to say you know Mr Lis I very much appreciate you and your team and the time you spent with me working through this project um I share the same concerns as commissioner starky this is conceptual and I'm still not confident that the location of this project wow I appreciate your uniqueness of this project is is in line and conforming with what the village needs needs to be so I'm stuck on on those two items conceptual and if it's the right right project for for shaping this Village and building this V Village out I'm still still hung up on those two points yeah I um also I like I like the plan uh if this is not actual the actual plan um I would like it be very close to that plan and and uh I give way to more buffering to our neighbors here um if there's any kind of changes yes sir so Mr chairman I mean we we would agree to time the approval to substantial or compliance with this plan okay uh we would agree with the you know buffering or the transitional use of in this area I don't why it's not anyway up that area um to the east there um but that's I I I I think that's our our intent and that's our track that's been our track record on these that we we Implement what we put together we've as commissioner waitman you as you've mentioned we spent a lot of time working with staff uh meeting individually with you and putting together a a quality plan that really embodies the uh the essence of what you're trying to accomplish in these Village these these cores of the village and true it's not exactly in that perfect idealized ring that was idealized a long you know a

number of years ago um but as um Mr Joel too mentioned that's that's the structure of the comprehensive plan for Village of Pasadena Hills that it's it's it's molded together and so this is this is what we're bringing to you as a quality project and we would ask for your support to build it help implement it something that really brings about an integration of you know the life of the community in those components to that and I don't think anyone's here that's doing Leo Commons um I think that's apartments and town homes on the North side but I'm not going to vote for it and the way they showed it to me so I I need to see something like this um I you know I'd love to see more more product mix from these guys with duplexes quy plexes Brownstone like walk-ups and um he's getting closer to the mix you have you have um different so the so you have the three stories and then these are two story Town Homes yes ma'am then what are the little and those are rear loaded yeah they'll be very nice up on the front yes um what what are the little yellow ones the the yellows are the uh more traditional uh Drive driveways in the front and then the ba the the darker beige are the rear loaded okay so we have you know a combination of product in there and the intent is to have the the three-story multifam close around the Village Green and then it you know phase outward right and that's the right way to your de yes I mean we we would be agreeable to a condition that ties in the intent of this the grid pattern okay that's what we plan to do and Bruce I'd say that uh I think it'd be good if you met with the residents again this time talk about the buffering they're looking for maybe it's fence maybe it's vegetation maybe you do something for the guy we butting up to with the apartments in the back maybe that's better than moving it so uh would that that would be good um any other questions for Bruce commissioner waitman so the strictor you know the products that were just described because it's conceptual are you going on record that the products that the housing type you described that commissioner Stark is referring to is going to be mixed in with what we're seeing we would agree to a a mix of at least two types you know I don't I don't know if we would go all rear St mission three types you got three Apartments you have rear loaded which makes that very nice Street there and then you have front load so I need all three yeah we'll think it's clear substantially to what you just described for yes that that that displays the mix and yes I mean I I it's a little late yeah um our conditions Implement those three types it covers the development of those three types all right last condition with the staff person present I want you to meet with the residents about about the buffering they want to see in w row whether it be vegetation

fence whatever it may be okay work those details out yeah all right we're open plan approval that's with our staff person there so we know yes they they had the journey uh which yeah which work Road pardon work road work Road yes okay all right I don't have any more questions for him does anyone else whose district is this well I I still want hang on before I do approval if you would I want to have discussion but I want to say thank you uh you I'm sure you spent a lot of time with the others when I get to issues about work Road connectivities Etc you were very responsive uh you made those connections only talking to the r later on that clearly not the direction they wanted to go and I haven't shifted gear so much but going out there driving down curly Road has my concern I'm going to go back to that picture we had up there before to talk about before we go further just because it's part of a overall discussion but I want to say you you've handled yourself greatly your team as well uh I like the product especially really commissioner Stark just glad you bring up as far as the re loaded wasn't aware that was exactly going on there but I like the way you've said it I just want to try to work to make sure it's going to fit with what's there and I want to have a discussion with us after that so thank you yes sir thank you commission so that previous picture that was up okay so ready as we as we look you know you got connected cities on one side of curly vop to the other side um I've talked with our engineers and David Goldstein about this but where it says a PR Peak way um for what's been done all the connections from there in all of marata go all the way up to the north north of this property coming across by Prospect where that's going to get done don't know when but it's an issue when it does get done curly Road being a six lane road coming in if people are going to get to this site there's got to be some connectivity there's nothing across the way for those people to get across there's nothing from well these people are setting up to across but you still need something going up and down curly as well so I don't know if it's I think this may be time for a joint meeting with connected cities in the vop they're not connected cuz they're not connecting not and then commissioner starky you you said it time and time again and again what you like about this is connectivity they've built in but if you don't have these two getting together then you're losing it uh to what goes above you know to the north of macabe Road that's a different item but I'm really more concerned about what's going on here um having said that I don't know how the board feels to working these details out cuz really to throw all those units on curly Road without having that infrastructure in place going up and down it is a concern of mine commissioner wa here that that's this is the driver of my concern of the shape and the buildout of this Village

and especially with moving with this project being so far south down curly when the original plan be a little bit further further north and you know what we've approved a little bit to the east Northeast section of this corner this or Southeast section of this corner along cave I just like I said this is a unique Village and I want to make sure we're making the right decisions and I'm I'm a bit hesitant okay I sh I share the same concerns you know there each Village is supposed to have a buff buffer on the edges that's a green space and I I'm not sure that anyone's ever showed me where that is in any of these right that's a that's a question for another day well I think road is actually I mean Curly's going to be extremely busy all around is going to be extremely busy but I think Ro will still be a little W road is going to be it's going to be able if if we do this right and and and again backing off the connections to W Road preserves them to have a quiet atmosphere in there yeah but again for those people to be able to get out and I give an example up up up north my grandmother lived on a lake it was a dirt road initially finally got paved but coming out to that road was a bare getting out I mean to take it taking a left turn with traffic on was really difficult right turns a little bit easier obviously but it you could sometimes wait there for a long time so what I don't want to do is put all these people in the same situation until we know what's going on with larada Boulevard Prospect Road curly road going in if you put all this extra density right there at this point in time without knowing what's going to happen I think we' have a lot of upset people well don't forget that the mobility fees from this project can go towards put making curly sixl and that's right but is it going to get also Prospect is going to get Improvement also but when that's the key you know I mean like is this before this comes in or after this comes we can ask a road or pass a road to be paved and it takes 5 years so you know internally we can do it quicker do is 5 only we had more money plant that money tree and again I think the project very worthwhile but I I want to see something there that even these residents here they they're not going to be able to get out to go anywhere by the golf cart where they going to drive on a two lane road they got run over yeah they try to go backwards even if they even they try to get marada they got to go up curly Road there's a golf cart lane on the road until they build it to six there was there was a lane so it's wider than a regular Road each side has a golf cart lane like but I like I tell them when they're me be don't no no one's going to want to let their kid ride on that trail so there're on that golf cart lane that's in the road with traffic um so I wish we were building one of the multi-uses at

the same time but we're not we're building two 5 foots and then we're putting the golf cart traffic in the road right so I see I see commission that is the crosssection of connected City so quick question to that map that I asked for be pulled up is that like an accurate aerial shot that's recent if the source is Pasco mapper I know we are in the process of updating that Eric do you know how old those areals were from it they're they're probably at least a year or two old we can pull up Google Maps let's pull if if you could just like to see the Google Maps to show exactly what's there on curly road but again is staffed in any research cuz I've asked about when these Road things are going to be improved we have get a timeline on that first curly curly do that next we if it could let's zoom in on curly we see what exactly it's fora keep going east don't worry going the wrong way youve gone the wrong way yeah said yeah he's keep there you go so it's just a two- Lan rad with no Trail okay yes please good good evening Commissioners Nick you're your County engineer here uh we do not have any projects developer or Pasco County to widen or improve curly Road at this time uh I will point out while your count plan says six Lanes is the ultimate the roundabouts on the corridor are only compatible with an ultimate four lane typical section and the predicted future traffic volumes on the quarter are also suggest that a four lane road may be sufficient so as we're as we're re-evaluating how to make connections happen within the vop connected cities communities that conversation topic the alignment for curly Road and the number of through lanes that we need to ultimately provide for to to make Mobility happen for this part of Pasco County is an important question that we hope to answer definitively all right so in your opinion how hard would it be to have them put a trail running North running North from their property of to curly are we asking now about the specific development on the the specific development to be able to run a road a trail right to col with their impact with their Mobility impact I give my give credit so with I'd have to look into the RightWay adequacy on the east side north of their property line within their property Frontage they would have no problems because they would convey to us the ultimate rideway necessary for the pathway north of their property I don't know the sufficiency of the RightWay to accommodate the pathway at this time all right let's um if if if the board's okay I would like to ask him CU I know we talked about it but getting to this point where we don't have an answer I'd like to ask them if he's looked at it

maybe he knows would that be okay to bring Bruce Landis back up commissioner can always ask a question public comment is closed so okay all right so if thank you Nick Bruce you come back up are your planners so so one of my concerns is again again the accessibility and especially if we're talking about access up to the north M um I know you've looked at other Parcels trying to make things work and and I appreciate that trying to get that do you think there's a possibility you guys could build a Trailway running from your property with credits uh to curly Road on your side of the property on your side of the curly Road Mr chairman i' I'd say Yes um there is um on the West Side the U Mara development has dedic dedicated rideway you can see that clearly on the um on the Pasco Maps so there's plenty of rideway on the West Side um of course in the frontage uh of ours like I said we're dedicating enough so that we have 130 now north of us if we were to keep it on our side I still think even though there's 50 ft out there I think because the soils are so um pervious in that area we can up the West Side that's that's a snap okay there's and and at that intersection of mccab there is coming from the West um multi-use Pathways I think on both sides of mcade so we could easily yes no there're supposed to be but there isn't oh not even West yeah they're on one side only on the west it stops East it stops East on the west side of curly and it's not on the yeah that's that's what I'm saying is we can connect yeah we can connect to the connected cities Pathways at at at mccab certainly on the west side of curle very likely on the east side as well and willing to do that with Mobility fee credits yes sir okay yes sir okay thank you we'll make the connection where the two don't thank you commissioner make a motion for approval with the conditions that we talked about earlier that commissioner starky did you can't make the motion what he can oh oh I thought I thought you were asking him to make the motion so you made the I'm asking him to word it the proper way where this project would be done the right way okay so so the motion would be move staff recommendation with the additional conditions um that the project will substantially comply in their submissions of site plans with the conceptual drawings that were presented to at this hearing to U would be that the uh applicant will meet with um the concerned residents on wart Road about additional buffering on wart Road prior to the submission of their first site plan um CER Road Trail and the the developer will um constru a multi-use trail on curly Road um along their Frontage and to continue to opposite side as well providing with reimbursement of Mobility for credit credits is that everything housing product

type and that's housing product type is in your motion as well already well I think it's yeah it's the they're bound to the conceptual drawings and and they show the housing types okay that's a motion that's a motion second any further discussion uh I just want to say I I thought I saw commissioner Bradford on but I don't see him on now commissioner Bradford did you want to add I'm [Music] sorry okay thank thank you all right so we have a motion of second uh need a roll call vote district one commissioner Oakley I District Two commissioner waitman apprehensively but with respect to the vop board's recommendation I'll say yes District three commissioner starky yes District Four commissioner Bradford District Five chairman Mariano I motion passes one more we got one more one more P 106 item P 106 was published in the Tampa Times on October 4th 2023 Loom Divine Planning and Development um item P 106 um Gavin kovie and I worked on this project but I think my colleague might need a little bit of a break um some housekeeping before I begin um we received an exp parte from commissioner Oakley's office which has been submitted to the clerk's office and there was an updated resolution that was submitted to the clerk's office correcting a date said November 11th on the resolution it's November 14th so item PDD 24- 7735 in the name of Joseph Dano it's a Ukon zoning Amendment from AC agricultural District to AR agricultural residential district the future land use classification is res one under the comprehensive plan the applicant proposes to subdivide the property into four equal parcels and build build a single family detach dwelling on each lot in conformance with the AR standards for development the subject site is located within the central market area and is outside the urban concentration in rural areas the subject site is located within the village of Pasadena Hill stewardship District but is not located within a village um and the subject site is located with and the rural Enclave area this is a look at the surrounding areas here is a context map you'll notice that um the Smith 80 MPD to the South um is adjacent to the site um that mpud was approved with 160 fingle single family detached homes um with lots being 40 by 100 here's an aerial view of the site the surrounding future land use to the Northeast and West is all res one do we need a presentation the gu's going to AR you want right they're going to AR yes they are a move approval way I think I think there might be some individuals here for opposition I don't know if you want me to finish my presentation let's finish yeah finish presentation I'm I'm almost done I prise 40 Lots with um to the South is resed 3 um the

surrounding zoning to the north east and west is a AC and to the South as an mpud and this is coming with a recommendation for approval I'm here if you have any questions any questions I do wait minut uh Liam Liam Le got a question so are these unimproved are these unimproved roads I'm sorry say that again are these un are these unimproved Road this is a privately maintained P um road so it I believe believe we have um our access team online I believe it is a substandard road but I believe they don't trigger any improvements to it but we have our access team online four four units on this property yes how many four four trigger would be 10 right um I'm going to let my colleagues online who are are experts and what triggers improvements speak to that I think Bennett elbow would be online to speak towards that uh yes good evening uh this is Ben elow Transportation planner Pasco County uh yes even is correct palel place is a private road privately maintained and it is substandard and because their daily trips for four houses is 38 vehicles per day um they're pretty much exempt from the uh uh substandard uh roadway uh analysis and mitigation any other questions I just was under the impression that we weren't bragging with board policy that we get into approving significant development on unimproved roads I think Mike and I had a conversation about that just wanted to be cautious yeah okay and would the applicant like to come forward amazing hello my name is Joseph Dano I live at uh 6362 sparkling Way Wesley Chapel Florida 33545 and have been sworn in um the paper um before you is a plot for the uh land uh it's dividing into four equal Parcels um with the future planning department the land is actually U planned for future land use as becoming a res one which would allow the one home per one acre um pretty much the plan um I just want to make uh four single family homes uh anyone who's looking to move into like more rural area it would allow them to have you know one acre 1.2 Acres I believe um and it would allow them to enjoy the more Rural Life um the second page I have on there is a very simplified tax form um I know a lot of the concerns uh prior at the prior meeting uh was addressing like the land um the roadway because um uh two two roads into the or there's three main roads into the property um that are privately maintained and then there is a fear viiew Heights which runs from hand cart all the way to um Fort King I believe uh there was actually um a plan to have that road paved last uh November but it did fall through I believe it was a budgeting issue um so this as I mentioned is just a simplified version of what the potential taxes could be so um the estimate for a

53 manufactured home would run about 250 um the tax revenue gained from four of those homes if it was to be uh manufactured is about1 18,000 which could contribute to actually Paving the Fairview Heights Road all the other roads are maintained by all the neighbors there's no HOA in the community and if we go back to the first uh page the way the property will be divided it allows for a 30ft easement at the top of the property and that's uh that's an expense to myself no neighbors are you know concerned with that um the only neighbors that actually have are Northeast and west of the property south of the property is about 80 acres of Farmland any questions so Mr starky okay this is the first on hearing of this one so you are wanting to put four mobile homes on here um I'm not sure what um I'm going to put on there yet um the plan would be um either like manufactured or Concrete Construction as you mentioned earlier in the meetings um you know we're looking for more low density impact in single family homes that's exactly what I'm trying to provide and H and I don't see a road are you just saying they're going to drive across each other's property to get to their property uh I'm going to part of the 30ft easement at the top is going to be like a paved Road or like a shell he's being he's showing it what would be a what would be a minor rural subdivision where he's taking access by easement to those laws right okay it's kind of weird sorry I know I'll listen to the other Commissioners sorry as I mentioned with the future planning department it is uh it did say it was a res one in the planning department future land use classification is res one correct okay any other questions okay there's a public hearing anyone here from the public like to speak to this item I do have um individuals signed up first one I have signed up is Laurence stahi followed by Janet Gibbs followed by Destiny Miller so Lawrence Don Donnie 11 7 4202 Hackamore and I looked all over Z my parents used to own place in Zer Hills 2 acre partial I didn't go over that area look for a place to live I kept looking around and I found a 5 acre par and the next Road over is 10 now how in the hell can somebody come in after I waste all my time looking around for five 5 acre partial say no we're going to make them one acre now I'm originally from Michigan I got a farm up there my property calls for 2 and2 Acres I can split it I they ain't going to let you go over one acre you're staying at 2 and 1/2 acres by God there ain't somebody coming in and say well I'm going to take this corner and now I'm going to split the half acre out of 2 and A2 don't work let me tell you something I don't know if any of you

went down Fairview Heights if you got false teeth you better put them in your pocket you're going to lose them I got goddamn uh Vehicles up there in Michigan that I like to bring down here and drive they're antiques they all reconditioned all redone I can't bring them down here cuz you can't get down through Fairview Heights and then our road is not properly taken care of it I I actually I got a a Bronco I'm restoring down here right now 96 Bronco I purchased down here off a guy and I'm restoring it I can't get over 5 m an hour down Hackamore or Fair View Heights I've talked to the county quite a few times well we can't rain it uh grade it unless it rains well it rains a ain't nobody grading what are you going to do have one rain and uh get all the roads gra uh graded and I mentioned to them you guys going around pulling this pavment up you got millions on you put millings down millings don't work like hell they don't I don't know who the hell they think they're talking to up there in Michigan we get them free from the county we resell them and put in private roads with them millings the only thing they're afraid of is they ain't going to have they ain't going to have to grade that road no more they're going to lose that road cuz once you put the millings down put a vibrating uh roller on that baby stay off it don't degrade it cuz you'll mess a whole Road up and there is part of that road Fairview Heights it looked like there's been some millings put down that's nice and smooth but man when you drop off it look out fact Fairview Heights 99% of your people are all driving on one side the road no matter which way they're going they're on the uh north side of Fairview Heights because the other side my truck hell off the road you go I pulled several Vehicles out of there so your time's up pardon me your time's up all time's up yeah Mr D can you all right there ain't no road going back to that property okay I ask yes Mr Don were you sworn in did you did you get sworn in no it was a long time ago and everybody stood up and then I swore them in I think I saw you stand up I just want to make sure it's on the record that you were sworn in no one all right he was I know Mr chair the applicant had showed documents and I don't know if he wants it on the record so if you want these documents that you showed on the record you would have to request a motion um for it to be move and move move those in please board want receive them second all faor say hi all right thank you oh next person come on up cuz you know I called your name I'll get you in a second all right Janet Gibbs yes ma'am

thank you hello I'm Janet Gibbs 7821 Hackamore Road zeph Hills 33541 and um and Miss Gibbs you've been sworn yes I will okay thank you first off um I'd like to say that our road comes off a Fair View you go down Hackamore road then you turn on the broken bit and then you go all the way to the very back and you're on palmo right oops that's where his property is um we bought our property in 98 from George Nuka I think everyone knows him mhm anyway um he created this whole subdivision and it's called Colony Rich Estates and we are deed restricted one home per five acres so this would just put more traffic on our roads that are not kept up because it's the property owns by the owners and there's it would just create a precedent that we don't want that's all thank you thank you and uh Destiny Miller hi I'm Destiny Miller uh address is 7227 palel Place Seer Hills Florida 33541 um yes ma'am I've been sworn it I actually going to say that um where's the little pointy thing I get to can I use that she must use a pointer oh it's been gone we get back oh [Music] okay um pomel Place uh like everybody else was saying um Fairview Heights is up here which you can't see but once you come off a Fairview Heights hand cart and um broken bit are both a one lane Drive um I actually live can you like zoom in on pomel place again sorry wait oh no okay okay so um back here is where he is trying to get the property this is my house right here 7227 palel um that road right there going down is also a on Lane Road I've actually gotten stuck trying to get out of the dirt when it's been raining and got stuck on the side of the road um my husband drives 30ft trailers every single day going in and out of the house uh we actually have a neighbor that welds trailers back together for us because they fall apart going down the road because only fair view heights is maintained which it doesn't get maintained very often maybe like three times a year I've been there for two years and I've probably seen it 10 times um Hackamore Road and broken bit are both maintained by a couple of our neighbors who have um skid steers tractors whatever you can get out there to have at least eight cars driving back there on a one lane road and the opening to his property is probably from here I mean it's I don't even know how you get two cars to go in and out at the same time um I had other stuff but you know going blank now okay but thank you I I have a question yes ma'am I'm looking at your property on the property appraiser site yes ma'am do you have 1 2 3 four five mobile homes on your property no no noow there no no no I have a am I doing it backwards I have that's my house right there and

then that's my house and then there's a barn and then this right here is for my C and stuff um we actually have um like a cul that my husband has put in right between these trees because there's so much water in the pasture that gets flooded out um we actually don't even have a pond but once it gets a little bit of rain that actually turns into a pond right in front of my house um when it gets wet driving down the driveway onto pomel place the water actually goes down our driveway it literally like is a running River every time it rains for like more than 10 minutes also with all the flooding that already happens to have four houses I know you're going to have to build up to get those houses out there I just you know I I came out here I bought a house when I was 21 years old and to have a little help with my parents but I have it I taken care of it all by myself with my husband um but I came out here I have two kids I fell in love with the property everybody has horses cattle you name it I have chickens two cats outside cats pigs goats a donkey I just I love I fell in love with the rural area and you know I I came from a place my parents lived in Plant City and they lived on an acre property and I was thankful enough to show FFA and everything but I came out here to live Rule and still have neighbors I mean everybody cares um we had a petition signed I believe 32 people signed that petition and really I mean it'll impact all of us but really it's only impacting the three and that many people showed up and signed this petition and you're at 7227 yes ma'am okay maybe I'm not reading this right yes ma'am yeah the only way to get into his property is it just says you have five Pro pieces five buildings on your property you may want to look at that next no it says 7227 pomel place no ma'am no just you should make you need to talk to the property of because you're getting tax more than you need to be that's what I'm saying yeah is that why I got taxed a lot last year for the mortgage it says you have one two is that why my mortgage went up you you need to talk to the prop I always look up people stuff when they come up here ready um but yeah no ma'am I just saying you need to fix that yes ma'am yeah we have a two uh it's to your to your advantage to fix a two a two stable barn and then um a 20 uh a 257 square foot they're calling it mobile homes yes ma' yeah five I promise I don't have five mobile homes I live in one and then I have a barn you can talk about property pray to save some money okay so just to clarify the record what matters if you scroll up is where it says parcel card she only has one mobile home card one of one she had see on the top oh my God I get to use this today um see it says c one of one if she had more than one mobile home it would say card one of two or card one of three what are all those what are um I you would probably have to ask um Mr Wells and see

what this means but I think this has to do with the way that they break down the taxation but she you know really and truly she only has one mobile home looks like when you look at it I know if you scroll down a bit it'll probably also have um Sonia if you don't mind scrolling down a bit it'll probably have all the other things that she has on the property so see how extra feature so she basically has a Sund deck a barn you know it really looked to me like it's saying there I know but if you want to compare it to the partiel that's to the north which looks like there's several structures maybe we can show an example but we're going it's only one card there a different okay thank you very much she thank you st thank all right is there anyone else here to speak to this item okay it'll go to the board commissioner o you got a question for staff um I'm sorry there's no one on web come okay I thought I heard somebody say that these were all deed restricted one home per 5 acres is that correct that is what they said I don't have any knowledge or information saying that it's it's one per five that that would be news to me well how can we divide this into four Lots if if it's deed restricted to one for five I need to we need to see her it's pretty clear believe if you would grab that and we let's have the County Attorney take a look at it I'm not going to know whether his property just we're dividing a pieces look at yeah come on sorry what we looking I'm sorry I forget stuff all the time um just really quick I I wasn't here when it happened but um at the first meeting when we came to this a lot of our neighbors had spoken about um how there was a fire actually on his property a couple of years ago and the fire trucks actually had to cut through my neighbor's yard like cut a fence because they couldn't get back to the property to actually maintain the fire so they actually had to cut through um this property right here so they actually wait this property sorry so they had to come through here and cut through to get to the fire okay um yeah come on up come back up all right so to address all the concerns um I'm not sure about the fire um she said P place is a on Lane Road she manages to get a 30 fot uh trailer with a truck around the tight curve which there is uh but pel place is actually that road is actually the most maintained out of all of them um as far as the um the coating from the uh building and permitting Department uh based on when that parcel was created because it was I created before 1975 it actually allowed uh one acre per or one home per acre at that time that's the reason why that property allows for

one acre which is why this whole process started it was someone I talked to in the Planning and Development Department what else and this pretty much can I ask you a question sure looking in in the notes Here it said that you this is for your family uh that was the intention correct so like a little family comp uh kind of yes change so originally uh the plan was um to have my my family move on there I have uh Brothers family uh my mother lives in the area and I was trying to bring my father up here um currently um due to you know interest rates and everything um I'm just trying to future plan um my brother doesn't want to really live out there at the moment uh but he's looking also to sell his current house so just kind of waiting on interest rates and then seeing what we can get approved with the county and as I mentioned earlier with the future planning department they already have it as future planning as a res one that's ma that's the future land use classification that's maximum density that you're not that's not an entitlement I understand that but I don't concern myself with their trailers their trucks uh a car going to and from the property whether it's four cars or a truck with a trailer I doubt a car is going to destroy the roads any more than a truck with a trailer horses It's Kind chy one I used to live next door to my grandmother and there were little houses in the back I enjoyed that compound living in Miami um and and there's trailers around here so uh who's maintaining the roads the neighborhood uh all the neighbors except for fair viiew Heights that's actually maintain by the county we own we own the road please yeah please don't speak for me yeah I just didn't know who if the someone there had a tractor and there going out and scraping it because we don't maintain non-count roads all right any other questions for the applicant no anything else to add Planning Commission approve this this this went through Bop this did not go through Planning Commission according to the according to the memo four to two I think 5 5 to is that correct it was this went to theop yes this did go to the theop and it was 5 to two so I don't know I don't know whether the deed restrictions are still valid I can't give you an opinion about whether the deed restrictions are still valid it does appear that this lot was within the deed restrictions um but what has been presented is not signed um and I have no idea whether or not they were re-recorded as they would need to be to be still valid chair commission Whitman see to makeup of this community and the road system again it goes goes to my concern of unimproved Roads everybody every one of these four to 5 Acres I'm personally not comfortable with moving this breaking this property up this way yeah you have a motion uh

I'll make a motion to uh deny the resoning to four four breaking in four Lots well so just staff's recommendation well staff's recommending approval um so did pass so did B so it would be to move U to deny the resoning to AR um which is what's before you um and I you know that would be based on compatibility of the neighborhood um the fact that these are privately maintained roadways and everything else in the area is that is at 5 acre tracks IOP the county attorney's modified motion all the reason stated to deny this request I'll second okay any further discussion any further discussion we you look at it all in favor say I you commissioner Bradford is commissioner Bradford on I don't see him on I'm sorry hanging out you don't see it you don't see we have a motion of the second um roll call commissioner Oakley hi commissioner waitman hi commissioner starky well I'm GNA go with staff and B and I I would have been for it so does that mean I'm a Nate that's your n then I'm a Nate commissioner Bradford hi and chairman Mariano I the motion passes 4 to one 4 to one thank you okay interesting now we have to go back to R uh no more r we are now going do committee reports go next I've got to do mine I have a motion in here so we did all the Ys we Contin weed to I got an AC I've got an action on I got a long list so I'm going to save it whatare are you ready we're going to say AC go ahead go ahead M uh I would like the board to direct the uh County Administrator and County attorney to take the necessary actions to prepare an agenda item that will allow the board to assume uh ownership of the D City carriers facility and complete it its construction furthermore submit a local funding initiative to the state legislature for uh 1.3 million fill the um estimated funding needed to uh finish the project have a second second commissioner please and I and commissioner Bradford he did a great job hanging in there all night he has signed off so we have a motion second to call for the vote all in favor say I I any oppos anything else sir uh well I got plenty but I mean I guess I I'm going to skip some of this other but I have a letter I would like the clerk to read in the record from the city of San Antonio want I do have something and that's from the the city of San Antonio uh commission Council council [Music] person yeah letters from the city of San Antonio dated September 20th 2023 regarding opposition to the green belt Trail route B1 Pasco County Commissioners we the five members of the San Antonio City Commission are writing on behalf of the concerned members of our community to express our strong

opposition to the proposed B1 route of the orange belt Trail within San Antonio as representatives of over 1,400 residents of San Antonio in Pasco County as well it is a necess necessity for us to do our due diligence in protecting the interest of well-being and well-being of our community while we appreciate Pasco County's efforts to expand recreational opportunity and promote connectivity we believe that the proposed B1 route poses significant drawbacks and concerns for our community route B one of the orange belt Trail route intersects with several residential neighborhoods leading to concerns of privacy safety and noise pollution The increased foot and bicycle traffic in these areas May disrupt the tranquility and security that residents have long enjoyed in their homes qualities many have sought after and appreciated in their decision to call San Antonio home moreover the potential for increasing uh increase littering vandalism and other undesirable activities along the trail is a worry for many residents have approached the city commission with fears of imminent domain of and discomfort with having a public Trail in close proximity to their private homes and yards traffic congestion and safety are additional worries associated with the B1 route sections of the trail would intersect with small resident small residential through streets including railroad Avenues Michigan Avenue and Joe Herman Drive creating potential hazards for residents of the streets Trail users and motorists The increased number of pedestrians and cyclists on these roads particularly those intersecting curly Street where traffic and road maintenance is already a major concern would lead to an uptake in accidents endangering lives and property we believe that the proposed orange belt Trail route does not adequately consider the preferences and needs of our community there have been limited Community Eng engagement and input in the planning process and we feel that our concerns have not been adequately addressed pass of the proposed RS have changed between public meetings with spar with sparse details available leading to confusion and uncertainty over who will be directed impacted by the project we urge the Paso County Board of County Commissioners to undertake a more comprehensive and inclusive community engagement process to ensure that the trail aligns with the wishes and values of our residents in conclusion we firmly request the Pas County Board of County Commissioners not proceed with selecting route B1 uh for the orange belt Trail within San Antonio while we are not opposed to the orange belt Trail as a project overall we are strongly opposed to any route that would run adjacent to any of the city of San Antonio's residents through streets routes B2 and B3 adjacent to State Road 52 and County Road

52 would have a less significant impact on the San Antonio community and residents we believe that a more thoughtful and community-driven approach is necessary to address the concerns of residents protect our environment and enhance our City's recreational offerings we look forward to further dialogue and collaboration with the p County Board of County Commissioners to find a solution that benefits our community as a whole thank you for your attention to this matter respectfully submitted City Commission of San Antonio John T vogle thei mayor Mark B Anderson mayor proem Allison Kagel Parks commissioner Kevin can't read the last name it's kind of hard water commissioner and Sarah shider Street [Music] commissioner okay commissioner wait uh commissioner o asked me to read this this comment and thought and to avoid while he stepped out Jim McBride is retiring from the value adjustment board as a county citizen member he's been on the board for more than 15 years contributing his insight and time to our community commissioner Oakley appreciates his time and commitment to our County and he will be missed commissioner Oakley asks would the board have any suggestions for replacement for the citizen appointment to I adjustment board the citizen the county citizen member must have homesteaded property in Pasco County I don't have any on mine in M yet but I will say Echo the sence M Mr bride did a great job he was always there always prepared um so be tough to replace man's back okay anything else anything else pleas anything else no that's it okay so he read the noce Jim McBride is retiring uh he served the value adjustment board very well uh we just hope we can find a member to take his place and if I don't have a member now that I would want to replace him with so I'm asking if any other commissioner has someone they'd like to put on value adjustment appreciate that and I would say m Mr Brad served with him for many years he was a fantastic person always prepared every step of the way he's going to be tough to replace but I appreciate your information we'll keep think that out and see if you have someone serve I him that'd be great yeah okay all right Mr St um I wanted to talk about this letter here that they both Ste wrote and SE the top big topic of sess I did listen to the no meeting I didn't catch it at the very very beginning um about the discussion of the property at 5441 um I wanted to remind you that this week is the fact legislative conference in Tampa where this will be a subject and I'm hoping that we have folks coming down to participate in that discussion um I don't know who the speakers are who the legislators are that are going to be there um does is RO long gone no he do you know who the speakers are for the ledge what's the when is that it's uh well starts Wednesday um yeah tomorrow and Thursday in Tampa uh starts tomorrow

but I'll be there tomorrow night but the the big meetings start on Thursday those discussions I believe on Thursday right is it tomorrow there's one committee tomorrow water and something water I'm not on that commit we have great American teaching appointments tomorrow but if there's something like that on the schedule I'd like to get you know I brought this up at our meeting meeting in the summer when it was recently passed so tomorrow is the agenda presidential select committee on broadband is at 8:30 health safety and Justice committee is at 10:10 then we have our luncheon fcm workshop and then water and environmental sustainability is at one 240 community and urban Affairs oh is it that one I I'm not going to what time be there for that 240 I'll be there for the whole day 2:40 is okay but someone's got to be there talk about this I'll be there tomorrow afternoon as well somewhere I plan to go down I have a tman council meeting here tomorrow soon as I'm done I'll be head it go okay cuz I won't I get I won't make shoot okay so well you're going to take Dave is that are we sending anyone like we did for the so I have a v meeting tomorrow um so I'm not available what about David I don't know if David engle's available or not well again I I will be there tomorrow afternoon and Thursday so think we need to very eloquently like you guys did thank you so much at our big County Commission whatever we call that you guys did a great job with that and so anybody's welcome to borrow my PowerPoint um ship it over to me David okay I will get M but the information in that packet is a different issue than what was in the PowerPoint that's an issue that I wasn't sure if commissioner wait was going to raise tonight or at the next meeting it'll be a long I think go to the next meeting I'm okay discussing it at the next meeting I just it's a different it's a slightly different issue okay just tomorrow's our big opportunity to get our voice heard from all the other counties about challes are there any other issues you want to brought up there that comes to mind tomorrow yeah um if you think about an emailing yeah sorry I can't think okay all right uh County attorney Madam Clark County Administrator I I actually do but I need some board action here on a couple items number one r87 which is the opioids uh the board had uh asked to do that in December confir after confirming with staff uh we we'd like to do it on the January 9th just because we've got Thanksgiving in there a number of land and lean stuff so it really only gives us about an effective week and a half to work on it so we' like a little more time if that's okay so if I the board would not mind reversing course and allowing us to bring that to the

January 1 meeting in January I would appreciate it consensus what what the op the opioid yes yes okay and that's enough for me and just and while we're here I just wanted to like put a quick discussion to it when I look at what happened with um the money for the food bank feeding Tampa Bay how we had it for 30 years then then sold it took the profit and we end up with nothing we had a boy club property in uh Ridge Row it's now a navigation Center we're using for homeless uh for families had we not kept that property that property been lost as well want to look at Wiregrass Sports Ranch we had some openings in there that we had to go buy somebody else to get them back in and I look at uh sun west if we didn't have a provision in there to keep the park in First Class Property we'd have been stuck with the operator there as well so I want to make sure we look at this real intensely to make sure we're protecting the great benefit we get with getting this opio settlement money to make sure we maximize investment and not only just for these first 30 years but what might happen afterward Too Real Estate goes up so I want to make sure we're protecting ourselves every step of the way so we good uh two more two more items the second one is related to live local you will remember that we we are working a joint Tri count um letter to the legislature that's uh in Hillsboro's hands currently so we'll be bringing that back but I also have one that is Pasco specific that talks about our story we never really formally discussed having the chair sign that um I've got a letter here that's been through David Goldstein David Engel my office Ralph and it's it's prepared for your signature so if the board is okay we'd like the chair to sign off on that letter to go to prepare for your signature prepared and ready to go consensus and now we ask the other property to show us an example which that's a hurricane evacuation route that that intersection anything else and yes sir the last the last item is is the board did ask um and asked me to bring this back to you as far as funding the uh animal services shelter expansion design in order to take advantage of some things so um there is there is Capital Money available in the uh there is the Magnolia Valley Park uh which is still probably a couple of years away um that's a seven figure number uh I'd like to take uh $240,000 from that project and apply it to the design of the animal services and actually if I could the motion would be to to to transfer up to 275,000 from the um Magnolia Valley Park project to the Animal Services shelter Expansion Project to complete the design and postd design activities and Grant authority to the County Administrator to execute a task order with our current design uh firm and any Associated amendments related to the scope of that task order what happened to the money from Wells I thought that's what we're going to use that you told me to spend that on making constitutionals whole and

the budget whole no that was the money from F correct and I'm sorry from Wells that's already accounted for in the calculus when they they give us money back we we account for certain percentage of return based on their historical returns so those have already been budgeted what are you doing to the park uh the Magnolia Valley Park yeah uh I don't have a comprehensive update but it's not ready for prime time so we will not be spending that money this year so I I see no need in in fogging it down so I mean I there's other I can take it from other operational projects but that seemed to be the most um straightforward path to fund let me let me help why it's a very good idea I just met with some folks out there about doing some buy remediation Etc and the calculations for what contamination out there to what's there you couldn't run out park there right now if you wanted to really the numbers at the level I don't know about that commissioner but but certainly from that was from a d expert that looked at it said you're going to do what there well I can tell you the Park's not ready for B time that just not but I just I just want the board to know that uh and and I guess I would subject that to Jeff's team's review of course so so do I have a that was a General Revenue funded project so it was uh that is yeah so it was formerly ARP arpa funding but okay we have expended our arpa funds so yes it's all it's all General Revenue just wanted to make sure you weren't putting stormm funds in no fair point Mr County attorney but yes the Public Works director the Public Works director when he heard that that he he wanted clarification too so we're good was there any Swift M coopertive funding money on that project on the which one Magnolia Valley Storm Water Project is a different is a different one there was actually money set aside from arpa funds that we were going to do a park collocated with the storm water project I I believe there were some some Swift Mud funds but that would been for the storm water project did we spend those or we are in the process of spending we we approved that like two months ago so that's taken the first step yeah the Water Project is moving the parks project is stalled it's uh very frustrating how long to ask we have a motion I don't want to make that motion I hate taking money away from Parks I'll move brutal I'll second the motion all in favor say I I I thank you any oppos did it feel good all right yeah I feel better get over that that's good okay and all Reserve we got get we are Jour thank one last thing commissioner wman I hope everybody has a wonderful Thanksgiving traveling travel safe enjoy your time it's the time of uh holidays so be thankful thank you happy thanks to everybody and I want to thank everybody it was a long meeting that had a lot of great discussion so Mike get a lot of things the table to kind of look at as it go up but it was a great meeting so

thank you all very much this was great good here thanks I wonder what is [Music] this County waterways and Wildlife depend on you to keep them healthy excess fertilizer grass clippings trash oils and pet waste wash into gutters and storm drains when it rains storm water carries these pollutants