10.24.23 Pasco Board of County Commissioners Meeting (Afternoon Session)

District 4, Commissioner Bradford. Hi. District 5, Chairman Mariano. Okay, motion pass. Move on to P54. P-54 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times on September 6, 2023 and by appidative certified mailings and site postings. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh, item P54 is an ordinance amending the Pasco County comprehensive plan providing for a small scale comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use map 2-15 and sheet05 from RO retail office residential and AGR agricultural rural to IL industrial light on approximately 7.04 04 acres of real property located at the northwest intersection of US Highway 41 and Greenfield Road and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for repeal serverability and an effective date. Uh this comes to you with a recommendation for approval. We have a presentation if you would care for one presentation on page 4. Just a question chair. Question is the live local provision in this. Yes, the live provision is built into it. Thank you. Okay. You do have two individuals signed up. Okay. To speak. You have two individuals for public comment. That's public comment time. So, let them come and speak. Um, would you like for us to do a presentation or No. Okay. Uh, so the first signed up is actually a couple Amarie and Norman Hetsler followed by Matt Lackey. When you come to the podium, just name and address for the record. Sure. Good afternoon. I'm Dr. Norman Hepsler and I live at 13711 Lucier Lane, which is the 25 acres that looks directly at the area in question being reszoned. I ask that you disapprove this motion. Uh I realize that part of the area is already uh zoned for industrial light. However, not the whole amount. We have animals, children, and I am now 9 months into a house build uh that should be done in a month. My concern are basically three-fold if you go industrial light. One is air pollution which with light industrial will not be that big noise pollution but more importantly is light pollution. Uh even though a small section is already zoned industrial light if it becomes a large enough one let's say they go ahead and they put in storage place which is they can go 30 ft high with mercury vapor lights that basically puts a huge amount of light pollution not just on my property but looking into the future for everyone along Greenfield Road and down Lucier Lane. There are some folks there who have smaller houses, but they have large amounts of land. As development goes north, that will become more and more valuable, unless for some reason you have a lot of light pollution,

things like that. Those folks could then sell their properties for a significant profit, which they would not quite be able to do if this went through. So, I am once again asking that you disapprove this amendment. Okay. Standing by for questions. Well, I just wanted to say on the light pollution, we have an ordinance that requires the lights to shine down. They can't have, you know, so they won't be shining up or out on other property, just down on their own property. They shine down, but I mean they will come out. This is public comment. So Okay, next person. Okay, the next Thank you, sir. Um I'm assuming Amarie Hetsler. I don't I don't know if they were signed up together. So then following Amarie is Matt Lackey. Oh, Amarie. Sure. Okay. I just wanted to point out that we had just purchased this land last year and this was our retirement home forever. Um, so this will we feel would reduce the value of our home. So that's all. Miss Hler, just for the record, you have the same address as Mr. Hler, correct? Thank you. All right. Um, next, Matt Lackey. Hi, Matthew Lackey. Uh, Honor Real Estate address 6241 Dainty Best Court, Lando Lakes, Florida. Um, I'm a realtor. My wife is the one who helped the Hetslers who just spoke to obtain the property. And we would also request that the motion be denied. Uh, this will reduce their property value depending on what's going to be used here. And just the question is it possible to is there a presentation on what it will be used for or is this just strictly to change it to light industrial? This is a comprehensive plan amendment. So it's not this is there's no detail. It's a it's a change in the future land use classification for this land. Yeah. So I would e echo what Mr. Hetsler said as far as uh requesting a denial. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else? Mr. Chair, there's um a Gerald Spear signed up. He had P-54 and it looks like maybe he crossed it to P56. So if you want to speak to this item 56 56. All right, I'll call your name then. Thank you so much. Thank you. Anyone else? No one else has signed up. Okay. Anybody in the audience wish to speak to this item? Okay. Applicants representative. Yep. This is your item. Good afternoon, commissioners. Barbara Will heights, 6327 Graham Boulevard for the applicant. Um, yeah, I got to find that. We have, it's actually four, as you heard from public comment, there's eight

acres approximately included in this land use amendment, but really only four to be changed. This currently half the property is already light industrial. We just wanted to keep it all together. Um, half the property is being used for light industrial already. It's an area where you can see it's boarded by uh the train tracks railroad on our west. Um on our east is RO um similar type uses. As far as the concerns of air pollution, noise and light all those things are specifically you can't have any of those effects in light industrial. That's the diff difference between light industrial and heavy is that light industrial per se says you're not going to have air pollution, noise or light. As Commissioner Starky said, regarding light, there's ordinances. Regarding noise, there's ordinances. And regarding air admissions, there's or ordinances or state permits. So, I think it's an area that makes sense. It's an area that's already this type of node. It's got a boundary, a hard boundary at the at the railroad tracks on the west. And um we would ask for your support of both staff and planning commission's recommendations. Okay. I I have some questions. Um, I see Crockett's is Crockett's towing there. He has a facility to the east. To the east off on 41 across the road. Across the road, right? Yeah. Where is it? He has You have a map of it. Yeah. The When you look at the Cuz when I look Yeah. I want to see where where it is. Right there. Okay. So, they're already parking. Is it already being used for light industrial or is that is the northern part already zoned? The northern part is already light industrial. Four acres to the north. And how long has that been light industrial? I would have to go look at the zoning history. Okay. And you're just wanting to add four acres to what's already being used as light industrial and zone for light industrial. Okay. So, I just want to say just in case, um, there is no landscaping in front of this business that's existing. I don't know when that came in there. Um, it has a chain link fence with bob wire, which we don't allow on 41. So, I just want to be sure that if this is changed that it's a lot more looks a lot nicer than what that other part does. And I would wonder if the applicant would consider making that look better for the community. You know, driving down a road, seeing cars stowed like that with no landscaping, chain link and bob wire. It's not a welcoming community feel. So that's that would be um my request. I think that would go a lot to help the neighbors with their live nearby. This is land use. We can come when we come back with zoning, we can look at a

special deed restriction to address that issue. Well, I think that's already in our code that you can't have chain link. Agree. But if you want something more, but I would be adding green field to that, which is not in our D restriction. We could certainly I promise to look at that and bring that forward with the zoning um and discuss it with your staff and the client. Okay. All right. Pleasure board. I'll make a motion to move a move approval to move forward to make this a continuous contiguous industrial light working area with the expectation that we'll have sufficient buffering to help the neighbors out and address their concerns. I think that's a happy medium. Uh there change it. Mr. Chairman, it the motion needs to be staff recommendation if if you want to move it to to IIL. I understand the commissioner's direction to to staff and to the applicant. But um because this is a comprehensive plan amendment, it really should be make the change make change to the future land use to IIL as delineated in your staff report. I'll I'll amend my motion to the staff recommendation but note on the record my concerns and request. Yeah. When we come in for the next need a second that we can discuss discussion. When we come in for the next iteration of use on here, we're going to be looking for a wider buffer, a really nice buffer and um a different kind of fence fencing all around. Roll call vote. District one, Commissioner Oakley. I. District two, Commissioner Weightman. Hi. District three, Commissioner Starky. Hi. District four, Commissioner Bradford. Hi. District five, Chairman Mariano. Motion passed 40. Okay. Uh, move on to P55. P-55 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times on September 6, 2023 and by affidative of certified mailings and site postings. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh item P-55 is an ordinance amending the Pes County comprehensive plan providing for a small scale comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use map 2-15 and sheet 04 from res one residential one dwelling unit per gross acre to comm commercial on approximately 3.35 acres of real property located on the south side of northern county line county line road at the southeast intersection of Long Lake Drive and County Line Road and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for repeal serverability and an effective date. Uh this comes with a recommendation to approve the comprehensive plan amendment and adopt the ordinance by roll call vote. Okay. And we have a presentation uh if needed. Okay. You want to hear presentation? Yes. Give us a presentation. This one's

when I put in green field in it. LQC. Good afternoon, Evo Stevens, Planning and Development. Before you is PDD240028, a smallcale comprehensive plan amendment in the name of CPASS 2310 Dobby's County Line Road. That might be Dobby's Dobies. I apologize. Dobby's. The property is located in a north market area and rural character area 3. The proposal is to amend a future land use map 2-15 and sheet 4 from res one residential one dwelling unit per gross acre to comm commercial to remedy a conflicting zoning and allow for general commercial uses on approximately 3.35 acres. More specifically, the property is located on the south side of northern county line road at the southeast intersection of Long Lake Road and County Line Road. There is accompanying reszoning from C2 general commercial district specific use to C2 general commercial district. This is the aerial context map without me. Yeah, just tell them. Okay. Um, obviously at the north of property is County Line Road and then to the vertical property or the vertical line on the west side is the vertical property on the west side is Long Lake Drive. Okay. Access to the property is on Lan Lake Drive. I apologize. Long Lake Drive. Uh the surrounding future land use, we've got ROR to the west and to the north we have um Hernando County and to the east we have ROR and RES 3 and to the south we have the res one. As mentioned before, existing future land use is res one and proposed future land use is commercial zoning C2 general commercial district. The proposed amendment is consistent with the following comprehensive plan policies. Policy flu 163, transitional land uses. Policy flu 164, neighborhood commercial uses. Policy flu 187, economic development. Policy flu 1810, preservation of capacity for employment generating uses. And policy flu 815, the north market area establishments. And with that, staff recommends that you find the proposed amendment consistent with the comprehensive plan and adopt by roll call vote. Any questions? There's no one signed up to speak. No one signed up to speak for public comment. Anyone in the audience want to speak to this item? Seeing no one. Um, move to approve. I'll second. I got a motion and a second by roll call vote. District one, Commissioner Oakley. I. District two, Commissioner Waitman. Hi. District three, Commissioner Starky. Hi. District four, Commissioner Bradford. District. District five, Chairman Mariano.

Okay. Motion passes. Move on to P-56. P-56 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times on October 4th, 2023 and by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Um, these next few items, P-56, uh, P-57, P-58, P-59, and P60 are going to be, uh, remedial action items, uh, to suffice Florida Department of Commerce submission requirements for adoption of comprehensive plan amendments. Um, as such, these items, uh, 56 through 60 are going to require that we follow a particular procedure uh, at this moment. Mr. Chairman, uh, as Mr. Poss just stated, um, this we're we're going to sort of walk through the this procedure. Um, but the first thing I need I would ask the board to suspend the board's procedural rule with regard to reconsideration. Okay. And I would need that motion. I need a motion. I'll make a motion to the county attorney's recommendation. Second. Motion. Second. Roll. You'll need roll call vote. All right. District one, Commissioner Oakley. Hi. District two, Commissioner Weightman. Hi. District three, Commissioner Starky. Hi. District four, Commissioner Bradford. I. District 5, Chairman Mariano. Okay. Motion pass. So, the rule and reconsideration that you've just suspended is in place to make sure that the applicant who has received an approval has some certainty that they can move forward. In the cases of the following ordinances, these are not quasi judicial approvals. They are legislative approvals, but do not meet the subsequent meeting criteria of the rule that you just suspended. Uh given the department of commerce has indicated that they are not going to accept these ordinances for final review and they will never become effective. We would ask um that you reconsider P-56 uh the the original ordinance that adopted P-56, which is ordinance 23-20. um the original ordinance that um adopted P-57 4G Ranch, which is ordinance 32 or I'm sorry, 23-22. Um the original ordinance that uh adopted the Saddleberg Resort uh future land use map amendment, which was ordinance 23-25. um the original ordinance which is 23-24 for the chapter 5 text amendments and the original ordinance number 23-26 um which is P60 SR52 Groves. Those five ordinances were the ones that the Department of Commerce did not uh process. Can we take them all together? We can take them in for reconsideration. You can take them all together. Right. I move to reconsider P56, P-57, P-58,

P59, and P60. The ordinances that were originally adopted for those numbers. Yes. Okay. I'll second Commissioner Starky's motion. Okay. I got a motion. Second. By roll call vote. District one, Commissioner Oakley. Hi. District two, Commissioner Weightman. Hi. District three, Commissioner Starky. Hi. District four, Commissioner Bradford. I. District five, Chairman Mariano. Motion pass 40. So now you that you've reconsideration reconsidered the approvals that you granted for those five ordinances, you can take up the new adoption ordinances that are presented before you individually as you would any other land use comprehensive land amendment ordinance. And so Mr. Pitos will now call the the numbers in. You'll take individual action on on public hearings and individual action just like the original ordinances had never happened. Okay. Would you like to read the um at this point? We'll turn it over to the planning director. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh item P-56 is an ordinance amending the Pasco County comprehensive plan providing for a large-scale comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use map 2-15 and sheet 19 from Res 9 residential nine dwelling units per gross acre and RO retail office residential to PD plan development on approximately 86.38 acres of real property located at the southwest corner of the intersection at State Road 54 and Gun Highway and a text amendment creating sub area policy flu blue uh 7.1.68 Odessa Town Center PD and a map amendment to the future land use map 2-9 adding sub area map 2-968 Odessa Town Center PD and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for repeal repeal or severability and an effective date. Uh this comes to you with a recommendation to resend the adoption of ordinance number 2320 uh by motion by roll call vote and approve the proposed comprehensive plan amendment and adopt the ordinance the new ordinance by roll call vote. Uh it's important to note that we can do a presentation but nothing has changed from when this was originally discussed. Okay. And the recision of the original ordinance is already built into your proposed ordinances. So you would just take a motion to adopt the proposed ordinance and it would have the effect of rescending that previous ordinance. Okay. But we still take public comment. Yep. Okay. So this public hearing we need to hear uh anybody signed up for this item. We have one individual, Mr. Gerald Spear. When you come to the podium, if just name and address for the record, Mr. Spear. Welcome. My name is Gerald Ray Spear. I

live at 13232 Blitzfield Road, Odessa, Florida. The town Odessa Town Center. Um, what I meant to come here and ask for please help. Uh, where my property is is going to be where the park is in Odessa Town Center. You know, you guys can come and buy my property. My wife has asthma really, really bad. and what they're tearing down the flea market. The dirt is coming there across the street from me from the uh uh they the storage place. It's it's I've been to the doctor with my wife twice this month for her about asthma. You know, it's it's it's really hard. Uh, I talked when one of the meetings we went to, I I I I forget the gentleman's name over here and he and I and I I I said that what they were going to do was wait until everything was built up and come in me and offer me nothing for my property. He says, "Well, maybe they can make the uh developer come and take care of me first and that way that couldn't happen." You know, I would really appreciate I mean, I got my property for sale. I'm doing anything I can to get out of there. Um, sir, can I speak to Go ahead. Um, I can't remember her name, but I think there's a realtor that lives in your neighborhood called Mary Maryanne Mary. Has she knocked on your door? I don't know. She has got a bunch of parcels combined together. The problem with my property is I've got the worst house in the best area or going to be the best area. It doesn't quite work like that. And if you want um someone to meet with you after Well, I have it under a realtor right now or I would I would listen. I would do what you're saying. I do anything you say, but until next April, I have it with a realtor. But if I knew that the developer come to me where I knew I see I I can't plan for nothing. I can't since I don't know what I'm going to get for my property, I can't go look at other places to look look for property. I can't do nothing. I've put my property up for sale, but nobody in the county developer, they said uh in the one of the things that you guys said that you would help the people who worked in there find places. Can you tell me your address and then we'll Yes, ma'am. 13232 uh Blitzfield Road. I'm I'm the only house that's directly behind How big is your lot? Huh? How big is your lot? Uh 1/3 of an acre. Okay. I know where you are. That's hurting it, too. Yeah. you're between um that's going to be right where the park is lady. Well, it doesn't quite work that that way, but I understand. Um I just come to ask for help and please. Yep. And okay. Um and what's if you will um

I brought you a bunch of information last time. Have my assistant come out. Jenny, one of them's home today with a sick child, but we'll get your phone number again and and I'll meet with you. I'll give it to you. Um, if you wait in the back, I'll have uh Jenny get it. I'll meet with him and help. Yeah, Ralph's going to get Jenny, but I didn't want him to have to give his phone number out in public. Yep. All right. Thank you. Thank you all very much. God bless you all. Thank you, sir. There's no one else signed up. No one else signed up. Anyone in the audience that didn't sign up that would like to speak to this item? Seeing no one, pleasure of the board. Uh move to approve the five ordinances. No, no, no. We're just doing one at a time. Oh, one at a time. Okay. P56. Okay, Mr. W. Second, I got a motion to second. Roll call vote. District 1, Commissioner Oakley. I. District two, Commissioner Weightman. I. District three, Commissioner Starky. I. District 4, Commissioner Bradford. I. District five, Chairman Mariano. Okay. Motion pass 40. A P-57 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times October 4th, 2023 and by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings. Okay. Item P-57 is an ordinance amending the Pasco County comprehensive plan providing for a large scale comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use map 2-15 in sheets 5612 and 13 from AGR agricultural rural and AG agricultural to PD plan development on approximately 2,93 acres of real property located north of state 52 approximately 2.25 25 miles east of Landelakes Boulevard and a text amendment creating sub area policy flu 7.170 4G Ranch PD and a map amendment to the future land use map 2-9 adding sub area map 2-970 4G ranch PD and an amendment to the conservation element map 3-4 critical linkages map providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for repeal or severability and an effective date and this comes to you with a recommendation recommendation to approve the proposed comprehensive plan amendment and adopt the ordinance by roll call vote. Okay. Anyone signed up for this? No one has signed up for this. Move to approve. Wait, this is public. Okay. Public comment time. Uh, anyone want to

speak to this item in the audience? Seeing no one, we'll close public comment now. Motion. Now you can move to approve P-57. Second. Got a motion. Second by roll call vote. District one. Commissioner Oakley. Hi. District two, Commissioner Weightman. District three, Commissioner Starky. I District four, Commissioner Bradford. I, District 5, Chairman Mariano. Okay. Motion pass 40. Move on to P58. P58 was advertised in Tampa Bay Times October 4th, 2023, and by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings. Item P58 is an ordinance amending the Pasco County comprehensive plan providing for a large scale comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use map 2-15 and sheet 22 from res 6 residential six dwell units per gross acre to PD plan development on approximately 420.37 acres of real property located to the south of state road 54 and east of service road and a text amendment creating sub area policy flu 7.166 resort PD D and a map amendment to the future land use map 2-9 adding sub area map 2-966 Saddlebrook Resort PD and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for repealer servability and an effective date and this comes with the recommendation to uh approve the comp the proposed comprehensive plan amendment and adopt the ordinance by roll call vote. Okay. Uh we have anyone signed up for No sir. No one has signed up for this item. No one signed up. Does anyone in the audience wish to speak to this item? Seeing no one. I may. Barbara Will height 6327 Grand Boulevard Newport Richie. As you can imagine, this is a big deal for my client. Yeah. Who is spending already spending millions and millions of millions um bringing forth the vision that they had told you about. So, out of an abundance of caution, I wanted to put a couple things in the record exactly that were in the record before. the our PowerPoint as presented. It still has the same date on it and the needs assessment, transportation needs assessment. Move to receive and file. And if you could also just incorporate all of the previous record materials from 1523 to 723, 4423, and 71123. Second. Got a motion and second to receive and file. All those in favor say I. I. Motion pass. And I I just want to apologize to everybody. Oh, we have to roll call that. Do we Do you need a roll call for that, Jeff? Okay, I need a roll call. Did we take public comment? You You did? Yeah, I did.

Okay, that was Barbara. And under discussion, I'm just apologize on receiving file. Oh, okay. Okay. District 1, Commissioner Oakley. District two, Commissioner Waitman. District three, Commissioner Starky. I. District four, Commissioner Bradford. I. District five, Chairman Mariano. Okay. Motion pass 40. Okay. So now we got a you needed approval. Needed approval of this. Move to approve P 58. 58 58. Second. And I got a motion and second by roll call vote. District one. Commissioner Oakley. I. District two. Commissioner Waitman. Hi. District three. Commissioner Starky. I. District four commissioner Bradford. I. District five. Chairman Mariano. Motion pass 40. Move on to P59. Okay. P59 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times on October 4, 2023. Item P59 is an ordinance amending the Pasco County comprehensive plan, providing for text amendments to chapter 5, recreation and open space element, the glossery, and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency, providing for repealer servability, and an effective date. And that's two comes with a recommendation to approve the proposed adopt the ordinance by roll call vote. Okay. No one signed up for this item. This public comment. Does anyone in the audience wish to speak to this item? No one has signed up. Seeing no one, we'll close public comment. Move approval of P59. Second. Yep. Got a motion to second by roll call vote. District one. Commissioner Oakley. I. District two. Commissioner Waitman. Hi. District 3, Commissioner Starky. I District 4, Commissioner Bradford, I. District 5, Chairman Mariano. Okay. Motion passed 40. This is so bad. Uh P60. P60 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times October 4th, 2023 and by Apotive certified mailings and site postings. Item P60 is an ordinance amending the Pasco County comprehensive plan providing for a large scale camping supply plan amendment to the future land use map 2-15 in sheet 12 changing from IL industrial light and res 3 residential three dwelling units per gross acre to res 6 residential six dwelling units per gross acre on approximately 68.25 25 acres of real property located on the north side of State Road 52 west of Kent Grove Drive.

Providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency, providing for repeal of severability and an effective date. And this comes to you with a recommendation to approve the proposed comments of plan amendment and adopt the ordinance by roll call vote. Okay. Anyone signed up to speak to this item? No one has signed up for this item. No one signed up. Does anyone in the audience wish to speak to this item P60? Seeing no one, we'll close public comment. Any questions from the board? Nope. Okay. Need a motion? Move to approve P60. Second. Got a motion. Second by roll call vote. District 1, Commissioner Oakley. I. District two, Commissioner Weightman. Hi. District three, Commissioner Starky. I. District 4, Commissioner Bradford. I. District five, Chairman Mariano. Motion pass 40. We'll move on to u um Jeff if you or Mr. Stein Snider would you do public hearings? I I will be glad to res resoning procedures into the record. There are two reasonzoning agendas regular and consent. Staff will present each application to the board of county commissioners. If staff or planning commission has recommended approval and there is no opposition, the application will be considered by the board without further presentation. If staff or planning commission has recommended denial or if there is opposition to the application, the applicant will be given five minutes for presentation. The opposition will be given three minutes for each individual or five minutes for a group representative and the applicant will be given three minutes for rebuttal. Any individual disagreeing with staff or planning commission recommendation or anyone wishing to object to any condition of the resoning may at this time request that a petition be pulled from the consent agenda in which case that application will be heard under the regular agenda later on during the meeting. Otherwise, all resoning applications on the consent agenda will be approved by a single motion and vote. If you wish to speak to any petition, please give your name and address and whether or not you've been sworn for the record. These are quasi judicial public hearings. The law in Florida is that mere public support or opposition of an application is insufficient for this board to take action. Please limit your comments to those criteria found within the board's land development code. Madame clerk, would you like to swear those in that will be testifying? So, if you want to uh speak to any of the items remaining on the agenda, please stand and raise your right hand so you can be sworn in. Do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give? Is the truth still help you God? I do. Thank you.

Okay. We will start with uh P61. P61 was advertised by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings. Good afternoon, Mr. Chair, commissioners. Denise Hernandez, Planning and Development. Item P61 is PDD 247649. It's a zoning amendment in the name of Seven Diamonds Commerce Park, MPUD, 7 Diamonds LLC. The request is to continue the item to the november 14th board of count 2023 Board of County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 in Date City. Move to continue. Second. Got a motion second to continue to November 14th uh by roll call vote. Is there do you need to do public comment on this? Oh, excuse me. No, these are advertised continuences. These are Thank you. All right. Roll call vote. District one, Commissioner Oakley. I. District two, Commissioner Waitman. District three, Commissioner Starky. Hi. District four, Commissioner Bradford. I. District 5, Chairman Mariano. Motion pass 40. P62. P62 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times on July 5th, 2023. [Music] Do you want me to read this note, Jeff? So, the item was scheduled for the August 22nd, 2023 board meeting. However, it was not heard. It was then placed on the September 19th BCC where it is continued to today. Okay. Item P62 was advertised as a continuence. It's item PDD247696, Greenfield Place West LLP. Greenfield Place West resoning. The request is to continue the item to the December 5th 5th, 2023 Board of County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 in Newport Richie. Move approve to continue. Okay. Second. Got a motion. Second to continue December 5th, I believe. Um by roll call vote. Denise, it was December 5th. December 5th, 2023 at 1:30 Newport Richie. Okay. Okay. Yep. Okay. District one, Commissioner Oakley. Hi. District two, Commissioner Weightman. Hi. District three, Commissioner Starky. Hi. District 4, Commissioner Bradford. Hi. District 5, Chairman Mariano. Motion passed 40. Move on to uh P62. 64. That was 62. 63. 63 is advertised in the Tampa Bay Times on September 6, 2023. Item P63 is PD 247742 and it's an advertised continuence uh zoning amendment Beacon Woods East LLC Lman Links Inc. The request is to continue the item to the December 5th, 2023 board of county commissioners meeting at 1:30 in Newport Richie. Move continue. I got a motion.

Second and a second by roll call vote. District 1 Commissioner Oakley. Hi. District two Commissioner Weightman. Hi. District three commissioner Starky. Hi. District 4, Commissioner Bradford. I, District 5, Chairman Mariano. Motion pass 40. Move on to P64. P64 uh was advertised in Tampa Bay Times on June 7th, 2023. P64 is PD 24 CU06. It was an advertised continuence for a conditional use for construction demolition debris disposal facility operating permit and conditional use amendment request for coastal landfill disposal of Florida. The request is to continue the item to a date uncertain. Okay. Move to continue to a date uncertain. Okay. You got a motion? So move. No. Second. Second. We're switching up. You did first half. I'll do second half. Y'all got to take turns on that. I'll do I'll do second half. Starky did first half. All right. I need uh got a motion in a second by roll call vote. District one, Commissioner Oakley. Hi. District two, Commissioner Waitman. Hi. District three, Commissioner Starky. Hi. District 4, Commissioner Bradford. Hi. District 5, Chairman Mariano. Hey, you can make motions too over there. Motion pass 40. Move on to P65. P65 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times on September 6, 2023. Item P65 is PD 2476 amendment in the name of Rogers Floring, Inc. for a change in zoning from an AC agricultural district to an AR1 agricultural residential district. Comes to with a recommendation of approval um from the planning and development department and the planning commission. Okay, I move approval. There is no one signed up for this. Is anyone signed up? There is not. There's not any motion. This is a consent item. Does anyone in the audience wish to speak to this against this item? Seeing no one, leave it on consent. Move on to P65 66. P66 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times on August 9th, 2023. P66 is PDD 247728. It's a zoning amendment in the name of Catholic Charities Housing, Inc. Catholic Charities Multif Family Zoning. It's for a change in zoning from an R1MH single family mobile home district to an MF1 multiple family medium density district. comes to you with a recommendation of approval from both the planning from both the planning and development department and the planning commission. Okay. Anyone sign up to say there is no one signed up for this item either. Does anyone uh here to speak against

this item? Seeing no one, leave it on consent. Uh P67. P67 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times on August 23rd, 2023. P67 is PDD 247679. Um, on this one there's a couple of housekeeping items. Um, on the agenda memo, uh, the request is, and I'll read it into record, sorry. Um, it's a zoning amendment. Shraider 52C MPUD master plan unit development. Mary Burke and and Thomas Schrader, a resoning from an R1 rural density residential district and AR agricultural residential district to an MPUD master plan unit development district to allow the development of 625 multif family units. And this is where we're adding a minimum of 106,286 ft of commercial uses on approximately 57.49 acres. Um, so that's being changed on the agenda memo. And then also the location of the project is being changed on the agenda memo. It inadvertently showed that's on the north side of County Road 52. It's actually on the south side of County Road 52. Uh those corrections will be sent to um the clerk's office and um a corrected resolution has been sent to the clerk's office uh for the it was advert it was advertised correctly. It that's a really really excellent question. That's what attorneys do. If my colleague Orlando Boris knows what the advertising stated that would be fabulous. This is for 67 bullet publications. I'm on the spot. You know what? I'm seeing a restriction here. May I May I have a question on I'm just seeing it right now. I'm sorry because I had just had a meeting with them. Um that says they're asking to not have to connect to the east and west. On the east, I think is a road. No, west is a road. But on the east, this is on 52. Yeah. But on the east is property that will be developed. So I'm trying to figure out why we would Miss Burke's property is east is like 17 acres and and Shrader's property is 40 acres. Well, Commissioner, they actually are connecting to the northeast. Yeah, if you look at your after planning commission, they changed their plan to connect to the northeast. So they are connecting to the northeast. Northeast to the vacant piece of property to the northeast. They are not Well, I know we talked about a trail. So there there will be a road connecting to be a roadway connection to the northeast. Correct. So, does that need to be changed? Because it says right here in the front. Well, it says that they were originally requesting to not interconnect to the east, but that was their original request, but they've modified their request and they are now connecting to the northeast.

It says south of State Road 52. That That's correct. That's correct. Yeah, it that's where the property is. Okay. Yeah. Thank you. I know the property for showing that. No, I'm trying to see where that connection. Was it advertised correctly? It was advertised correctly for the record. Yes. Thank you so much. I I do want to mention um for the commissioners as well. I know it's very important to you. Uh condition of approval number 74 does talk about the live local act. So that is included in this CCMPV where they will be having commercial pieces on here. Can you just um put up just real quickly where the where the connection is going to be cuz I'm trying to see it and I don't I don't have a map that shows it. Okay. The larger piece on the on the west side is Tom Trader. The other one is Miss Burke. Good afternoon. This is good afternoon. This is Orlando. I believe that the question was where is going to be located the the access point to the east? Yes. Because it it says in the front that they were requesting no inter the applicant requests not to interconnect to the west and east sides of the property which is right over here. And the connection in this I mean in question right now it's this one over here. The one over here is going to be only for emergency access and that's going to be also functional for pedestrian, bike and golf cart. So why would we have only one entrance for 628 people? We have also Am I missing something? This one over here. This one over here too. And then we have another No, no. Well, that's the road. Oh, the Okay. So, where how do the people get in and out of this property? Good afternoon. Brad Tippen, Planning and Development. Uh there are a number of access. We're not at the design stage yet on this, so we don't know exactly where they'll be, but there the road that they're building, the north south road there that you see on the west of the property. There will be access points there. There's uh likely uh there's also an internal road that will run east west on the south side of this property. Uh that's the one that will uh go towards the actual city of San Antonio and it stops there on the right. That will be the emergency access, but the the actual vehicular access is going to connect to that northeast piece. That's kind of that uh piece that's out in the middle of nowhere that really needs the connections. It needs to have the golf carts and everything else to get in there. So, uh do you have a pointer to tell me what

are you talking about? The arrow to the Okay, so there's Oak Street. So, it'll connect right there where my pointer is. Yeah. Is essentially where that northern connection will be. Again, we are that uh norththeastern connection. Uh again, we don't know exactly because it hasn't been fully designed out yet. There's a wetland right there that we need to do the engineering, navigate around, different things like that. Uh but there will be a connection in that direction. Everything else that is to the east is city of San Antonio. Uh so we are trying to limit the amount of uh traffic into that area. It's not designed really to handle it yet. Uh but it is going to be an emergency uh type of access over there on that side on the east side on the east side. So So there'll be one access right now to the north on 52 for 628 people and one one when the vision road is built. So two well the the vision road Yeah. the this project will access the vision road and from there they can go north or south. So, you got an exit in the basically on the center on the 52 and also the vision road. You have an exit there. It it isn't showing one, but I'm sorry. I just want to make sure there's only there's more than one in-n-out for 628 people. Yes, we we'll need to besides an emergency. I'm talking two full in-n-outs. Again, this hasn't been designed yet. So as part of the engineering design, they have requirements that they have to meet regarding the number of access points. So our code is pretty clear on that. That's part of the conditions. Yeah, it that's it's in the conditions of approval. It's also part of our our traditional code. So it'll it'll be there just it's just not at this stage yet because they don't have a actual builder. So they don't have the design. Okay. and we met on the trail. Um because there is a there is a re a multi-use path and a multi a wide trail that goes along with this property and um and it will be built Sunbelt trail going north. It's a it's part of the it is part of the connected city planned trail network according to Terry Pitos what he showed me at lunch uh this morning. Ranch's back. Yes. Uh I can show that real quick on here. Maybe if this works today. Um down here along the south side there is a trail that is identified in the connected city financial plan um for a trail system. Uh this property is going to uh have an east west roadway right along their south boundary that is going to accommodate the carts and everything there as well. So but I'm talking about the north south and the north south one uh yes will come Oops, wrong button. One of the north south one will come somewhere right

around the same location as this uh that wetland this along the edge of the wetland. Again, we haven't engineered it yet, but it'll be somewhere in that area uh going up into that uh northeast parcel to make sure that they have connection to a trail system also. Okay. And then and then the path multi path goes on the vision road, right? Within the vision road within the rideway which is different than the trail. Yes. Okay. And Brad, the the conditions of approval cover this or is staff adding language for So this is actually as being part of connected city, they're required to do this. Okay. Uh so we didn't we didn't opt them out of that through the conditions of approval. Okay. Yeah. Okay. All right. This consent tree and trees in the street which can be nice. It's a public hearing. Um, is anyone here anyone here to speak against this item? Seeing no one, we'll leave that on consent. Move on to uh That's it. P68. You got a question? Uh, yeah, I'm willing to leave 67 on consent, but after we vote consent through, I'd like to have a conversation uh about this scenario. Okay, just when we're done. All right. I do want to say for the record because I'm not sure I said this that P67 comes to with a recommendation of approval with conditions from the Planning and Development Department and the Planning Commission as included in your agenda packet. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Not sure I got to there. P68. P68 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times September 6, 2023. P68 is PD 24 CU01. It's conditional use. uh district school board of Pasco County vertex development Verizon wireless. It's for a 154 above ground level close mount monopole wireless communications facility in an MPUD to be located within the Angeline Academy of um innovation campus. Uh comes to you with a recommendation of approval with conditions from the planning and development department and the planning commission. Okay. Uh is anyone here to speak to this item? We have one individual. We have one individual signed up online um to speak against item or it's not clear. Yeah. So, what do we do? No. Well, you'd have to just pull it. Uh yeah, why don't why don't we pull pull 68 and we'll pull 68 and take take a motion and a second.

I move to approve P65 6. No, the consent agenda with the exception of 68. Yeah, those the consent agenda with the exception of 69 68. Well, 69 is not a consent. It's not a consent item. The consent agenda with exception of P68. Okay. Second. I must second by roll call vote. District one, Commissioner Oakley. I. District two, Commissioner Waitman. District three, Commissioner Starky. I. District four, Commissioner Bradford. I. District 5 Chairman Mariano. Motion pass 40. Now we'll move back to uh 68 and take it. You want to just hear question or here just I would find out who it is on web and and see what they're whether can we find it out if they're against this item or not. So Robin Patel is signed up. Miss Patel um can you let us know if you are in opposition of this item? Yes, I'm in opposition. Okay, go ahead. Okay. So, good afternoon. My name is Robin Patel and I'm a res 20918 Lake Vienna Drive. Thank you for the opportunity to speak here about the cell phone tower plan for Angeline Academy of Innovation. I would like to request that the cell phone tower be located farther away from the school building and away from student areas. My concern is mainly related to the potential health risks on children caused by increased exposure to radio frequency or RF radiation from being near a cell phone tower for over six hours per day school day for up to seven years at a grade 6 through 12 school. I'm particularly interested in this proposal because I have two children in the school district, one in elementary school and one currently at Angeline. I'm also interested because I'm a scientist. I have a PhD in biomedical sciences and while my expertise is not in wireless communications, I have about 15 years experience doing research on human health, disease, and biological systems. Over the past few days, I've learned the following information from the school district about the plan tower. The plan site is located 360 ft or about near the bus. The school would directly face the student classroom areas. It should be noted that Hangelene is a very tall fourstory building with student classrooms on all levels. The upper floor is significantly closer to the antennas compared to ground level. It is not currently known what type antennas will be placed on the tower, what type of signals they will transmit or what the radiation pattern emitted from the tower will be. This is up to the cell phone carriers. The tower could house 4G equipment, 5G or other types of equipment. In other words, the strength

and type of radiation that would be coming from this tower is not known. It is known that RF radiation can have biological effects and that radiation exposure is released near the towers. Therefore, proper cell phone tower placement is necessary to limit possible health effects and liability. A review article from 2020 in the journal environmental research summarized current human and animal research and indicated that and I quote proximity to base patients correlates with headaches dizziness depression and other neurobbehavioral symptoms as well as increased cancer risk. These effects may be cumulative. Given the current research, cell towers would be cautiously placed 500 meters or about a third of a mile away from schools. End quote. Again, the Angeline tower is set to be about 100 meters from student classrooms. Cell phone networks are a new technology and health effects may not be known for decades. The American Cancer Society states on their website, quote, "Most expert organizations agree that more research is needed to help clarify this, especially for any possible long-term effects." End quote. Cell phone towers are a part of life and coverage is needed in the Angeline area. I agree. But we need to be thoughtful about where towers are placed to achieve that coverage. Until we are sure that there are no negative health effects on children's growing bodies, we should not be placing cell phone towers near student areas. Instead, place towers along roadways, in fields, woods, or other unpopulated areas. As a parent, scientist, and a concerned community member, I ask that you Our time's up. Oh, she she almost finished. Okay. Any discussion by the board? I'd see if there's anybody in the audience that wish Is there anybody in the audience wish to uh speak to this item? Seeing no one. Well, I Yeah, you want to speak to this item. I'm here for the Okay. Maybe you can answer some of the questions we heard. So, sure. Mary Solic, 121 South Orange Avenue, Sweet 1500, Orlando, Florida. I'm here on behalf of Vertex Development. And were you sworn? Yes. Thank you. Okay. Um, where's your Elmo? You've got it. Is that different than what's already up on the screen? No, it's not. I pulled it from the site plan. I just highlighted the distance between the corner of the building and the tower location on the school campus. It is 389 ft away. Um, I understand the sincerity of Miss Patel's comments, but we meet all of the sighting requirements that are set forth in your code and um, the uh, Telecommunications Act has uh, determined that the that local governments are preempted on the issue of the health effects of the towers. the

FCC regulates that and you're you're not allowed to um approve or deny or regulate the placement of towers based on their health effects. No matter how sincere Miss Patel's comments may be, the FCC has just taken that away from you and they regulate it. Do you have any further questions for me? Anyone? Any questions? Well, I just want to say something to school district. Go ahead. And I see Chris is sitting back there. Um, you know, we keep we keep hearing this and I think it's part of the 5G scare that's out there that people say they didn't test enough. It just it would be a better for us if you would when you start laying out your school sites, if you plan for your cell tower site, like it could have been on the other side of that pond, right? Or you just leave a little leave a little pad far away from the building. Yeah. You know, just plan just plan for the cell tower. Just something for the future, please. Does anyone But we're preempted from the health part. Yeah. So there's Okay. So I would move to approve. All right. I got a motion. I'll second a second by roll call vote. District one. Commissioner Oakley. Hi. District two. Commissioner Weightman. Hi. District three, Commissioner Starky. Hi. District four, Commissioner Bradford. That could have been right there. District five, Chairman Mariano. Okay. Mot motion approve 30. Okay. Thank you. Uh, next item. P69. Um, 69. Yes. P69. P69 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times October 4th and October 11th, 2023. Hi, good afternoon. Uh, my name is Leanne McDonald with Real Property and Planning. Uh, the Real Property team has received a petition to vacate a utility and drainage easement filed by SH7 LLC. The purpose of this vacation is to develop a new Culver's restaurant and retail business. As part of the approval site, the petitioner will relocate the drainage easement and protide the county with a replacement access and drainage easement over the new pond. There were no objections to this petition and the team recommends approval. Okay, any discussion? There's no one signed up for this item. No one signed up. Is there anyone in the audience wish to speak to this item? Who doesn't want a Culver? Seeing no one, we close public comment. Move to approve P69.

Second. Got a motion in a second by roll call vote. District one, Commissioner Oakley. I. District two, Commissioner Weightman. Hi. District three, Commissioner Starky. I. District four, Commissioner Bradford. Hi. District five, Chairman Mariana. Motion pass 4. I kind of have a question though. Okay, a question after I went ahead and approved it. Um, so we have new sighting standards. Um, where's Terry? So, will this Culver's be You didn't approve a Culver's. You vacated a utility, but I'm given the opportunity to build a cover culverse and I'm giving you approved. I can resend it. There's a way I can take it back. Um, not by yourself. So Terry Terry, do Well, don't we I'm just asking. All right. Well, well, maybe by giving them this land, it makes it even easier to have the new sighting, the better sighting. What's the ter? That's not really It's It's probably out of place when they come in. Doesn't look like the picture you showed or We want the good sighting for the Culver's, not the old bad sighting for the Culver. They haven't come in yet. Brad's have been playing development. Yeah, this is one of those situations where the actual new design is better, I think, for everyone involved. Um the county for the uh the swarm water and everything. It was just the easement was in an awkward location. Um and there were it was just making the property difficult to develop. So uh this is I think is a win-win for everybody. Yeah, we need to look at that for that um old fire station again on Massachusetts. Agreed. Okay, thank you. But he might have a question. Oh, okay. Mr. Whiteman. Thank you, Chair. Back to P6 uh 7, the connected city project. Yeah. The remaining my understanding is and Mr. tools here is all the the uh single family uh entitlements entitlements are gone and what's left is just strictly multif family. Yeah, I think it's time and after talking with some of the stakeholders that we take a look at the overlay and understand how much property is left and then how many exact what's exactly the multif family entitlements that are remaining and if

they're appropriate to be in those spaces where the land is left. I think because we're too far, we're so far down the line and talking to Mr. T's here and he may want to come up and speak that we open this back up and take a look at it and as we finish out this project that we make sure that the balance is there and uh make sure we have the product that that folks want and just want to sell and it's not oversaturated with rental in the area. So, I I thought it'd be a nice discussion to have and get some ex, you know, somebody who's had long-standing history and get his take on it and uh see what what you know, I I just had a little meeting with them quickly before because I just wanted confirmation on the there was some confusion on that on that trail and path. Um, and they showed a conceptual design and it's just very conceptual of 628 multif family units on there. But and and I've been asking this when I've been in meetings and maybe you have too. Just because it's multif family doesn't have mean it has to be standard Brandon style apartments. Multifamily is is brownstones duplexes quadruplexes. I mean they they can be owned. They you know that it's just a garden apartment garden I don't know villas. There's so much product that's in multif family that, in my opinion, we're not seeing. Um, and and better layouts, especially when you're in a in an area that's supposed to be a village concept and walkable and we're getting big parking lots with threetory, four-story apartment complexes and and that's really old style and I just think we can do better. I think Were you trying to say something? Our develop No. Okay, Brad. Hi. Yeah, Brad Tippen, planning and development. Um, I was involved with connected city from the beginning. I don't know if David Gouls would like to speak to this piece as well, but uh the design of this uh it's not so much village oriented like passing hills is this is this is a very uh specific design that is very high density along I75 in this area. The intent is vertical. There's the urban core. That intent is vertical. Uh so multif family units uh of a vertical nature um are are really necessary here to achieve those densities and get that pattern. The lower density piece is the piece over towards Curly Road as you go out towards VOP um towards that more village concept area. Um the the intent was to blend it across and have uh the business core, the urban core, all of those pieces be the higher density, higher intensity areas. Uh the second piece of that puzzle is that connected city is is its own uh uh special dependent district. It's it's it's actually based on uh its own financial plan. And that financial plan requires these types of units and this level of density to actually be able to achieve the different things that it is obligated to pay for in the financial plan. So that's one of the hurdles that we would have to find a way to overcome uh to consider that. Um it's

also uh a little bit of a design issue uh in that uh the intent is for this to be high density. So if you start reducing that doing things like duplexes you lose a lot of that density you start having some compatibility issues with other things that are around it in that area. Uh how many year how old is this plan? When was this done? 68 years it started we started talking through it in 2014 2017 I believe was the approvals when 2017 a lot's changed yeah yeah yeah the original the original connected city um started when I came on board seven years ago that's that's what the vision is supposed to look like is that right that's the cover of of the connected city documents, comprehensive plan. Is that what we're getting? Uh, can't quite see that from here, but the the intention is there I see vertical mixed use. There's vertical mixed use. The urban core was supposed to be kind of like a mini downtown style with vertical um lots of different uses and then business core stretching out from there. the multif family is is a necessary component to have the the rooftops to be able to generate employees both to work in the businesses and also to keep those businesses alive that are in there. Um it's it's a it was a heavy lift as far as planning goes. There's a lot of different things that were involved in in kind of making all those factors come together. Uh but the most important consideration I believe personally is is related to the financial plan um and the way that it is set up that if we were to uh reduce this to allow more single family units uh we would we would reduce the density to such an extreme that it would be very difficult to meet the financial plan obligations. Well, I'm more worried about the quality of life and the quality of the product that's there. We're a good portion of the way through this. I think I think it would be wise that we take a look at the land that's left and understand the makeup of it and if what product is appropriate where within this within this project to ensure that the quality of this of this project doesn't erode away as we come across the finish line. I've heard from stakeholders and the private sector that probably think that might be a good idea to take a look at it. It can't hurt. It take time, but I think we there's some learning lessons we that can come out of this exercise and uh trust but verify. So maybe we could have a regular item, you know, discuss this one day. Uh we could we could do it as a workshop. It has been a long time since the city came through. It's been seven years. There's some new board members that might appreciate that. We could we can go through it step by step and have a

little bit more time to actually discuss it. Yeah, if everybody's okay with that, we can see about that. Any of the stakeholders care to have their thoughts on it to see their side of it, too. Here's one. I haven't been able to pick on him a long time. He calls himself retired. Partially retired. You don't often get the opportunity to since the chairman ordered me to appear today and not to wear my golf shorts. Um Joel Tu um land use consultant. Of course, I I worked with uh your staff and Mr. Gasaway at the outset helping for your address formulate the plan. Now, I'm still in Palm Harbor, Florida on the lake if you need to come see it. Um I did have a one-on-one discussion with Mr. Weightman yesterday about this subject. And just for what it's worth, um I do think it's worth uh at this point if the commission can make time to have a work session and give the staff time. As I mentioned to the commissioner, you know, we we adopt these plans and we all have a grand vision, but sometimes we run so fast that we never kind of stop and say, "Okay, how's it playing out? Where are we? And does it need to be tweaked?" Because when we obviously did this, we had the concepts and and we've hit a home run in some areas with Pasco Town Center, what's coming at Wildcat Bells, with John's Hopkins and all those things. Um, and I think you're going to see that downtown core and that density truly come to fruition along the interstate. But with that said, uh there were some broad-based assumptions made as to total units and what part of that would make sense to be single family and what part of that was necessary at higher multif family density to make the financial plan infrastructure work and I don't want to downplay that financial plan infrastructure cost. So we do have to stay sensitive to the critical density necessary because the retail office doesn't pay for that. The only impact fees and the only thing you can credit against infrastructure is residential. But with that said, I have had one or two parcels that I was contacted on um who wanted to do single family and were told, "No, the single family units have been exhausted. You can only do multif family." And in that particular location, multif family didn't seem to make a lot of sense. Uh and in some cases, those owners actually elected not to opt into connected city so that they could go outside of connected city and do single family. And I don't think that's necessarily the result, you know, that we want to achieve. So my suggestion to the commissioner and I think it would be a good idea is if whether it's staff or whether you engage a consultant, it shouldn't take much time if someone could overlay the actual projects that are approved in connected city with the density and unit mix that they've been awarded. I would encourage you to ask them to go ahead and also overlay the

pending applications because in all fairness, as I discussed with Commissioner Waitman, you have quite a few pending applications that haven't made their way to you yet. But where those buyers, those those developers either bought land or have contracted to buy land and spent a lot of money, they certainly should be entitled to rely upon that plan at the point they apply. So, I think you need to kind of see where you are and and that will tell you, I think, how many undeveloped vacant parcels that are a size that they likely will get developed. Uh, what do you have left and how many multif family units do you have left? And does it make sense given where those locations are, should you consider reallocating some density to potential single family units if they're locations where it makes sense? And if you can be comfortable that you aren't jeopardizing your financial plan that relies on the density. So ground truthing this thing before you're finished is probably never a bad idea to see where we've come and where we're headed. So I I support that. Uh and I know Clark Hobbies mentioned to me he's also had a couple situations where they really wanted and probably needed to do single family but they couldn't uh because units got absorbed. And in terms of single family versus multif family and the financial plan, it has to do with traffic obviously, but you know, we have exchange matrix matrix between single family and multif family trips. I mean, all of that could probably be worked out without blowing up the road network, you know, which would be another concern. Yeah. So anyway, for what it's worth, it's never a bad idea, I don't think, to review your plan and where are we ground truth it on the ground and see where where have we actually gotten. I I'd like that, but I I want to read something to all of you that I'm reading in the policies. Um it says ensure ensure the economic resiliency and vitality of the connected city overlay by providing housing of different types, density, sizes, costs, and locations that accommodate the needs and preferences and financial capabilities of current and future households. And it says that it should be a goal to strive for livable mixed income neighborhoods throughout the connected city overlay that collectively support a diversity of housing types and income levels by allowing a mix of housing types, rental and ownership options including houses on smaller lots, small houses, duplexes, attached housing, accessory dwelling units, multi-ousing, multi-dwelling housing, or mixeduse developments. I haven't had do we have any ADUs that have come through? I am actually Brad Tippen. I'm actually not sure if we have any ADUs that have come in there. There is an allowance for ADUs. They come in as part of the uh building permit process, not necessarily the site plan review because there we don't require any additional review for them. Um the the mix of uses I will say I I completely agree that we are looking for a mix of different types of

residential housing there. There's obviously different types of multif family uh by the definition that we use in in connected city. Uh the only issue is that the single family detached home uh has spread fairly largely in that area. And with that amount of lower density that's there from the single family homes that were originally allowed to then make an exchange becomes difficult to to retain the ultimate density needed. The high density would have to be extra high to allow some of those uh mid densities to go a little bit further down. Um it's not something that we can't and that's because that's what pays for the roads to be built. That pays for the roads that pays for the infrastructure. Well, I don't want to I don't want to have us pay for that. We're not going to pay for it. Um, but I just, as far as I'm concerned, though, we've eaten up Well, I'd I'd love to see what we've done because it seems like it's apartment after apartment after apartment and have we already allotted all the apartments that need to be in connected city and let's look at some other housing mult. I'm for the density. I don't want to say because I but I but there's other kinds of ways to get density. We can we can uh schedule something a workshop or something to go into that in detail. We would need some time to put that together if the county is going to do that. We would probably need to have some authorization for a consultant because I don't that's a that's a little bit of a lift um to do some of that work um as our team is already strained as you're very well aware. Um but we can certainly put some of that together. We can have some of the folks that were involved in it to to speak to it um and and discuss some of the issues. We'll give you time, couple of weeks. Are you saying you want to stop accepting tomorrow by lunch? Yeah. Did you want to stop accepting applications while we go through this or do we want the applications to continue while we're looking at what we've done? Oh, I don't want to stop things. I don't I want to keep moving. Okay. I can't be stopping these. When you have a moratorum, you're only the reason you're having a moratorum is because you can't decide what to do. I think we can decide what to do. So, okay. But go ahead. This is this I think is more of a tweak than than a massive overhaul of something going wrong. It's clearly not something going wrong, but we can certainly look at that. I I appreciate the commissioner's comments. We can we can consider I'd like to find ways to get more ads to say. Yeah. I just wanted to just scheduling thing. We have a board meeting in Janu I'm sorry in November as well as December. Um we have workshops on the new schedule starting in January. We

were going to have budget as one of those items would like to the connected city at that point in time, right? That would be good. That may be with the financial plan issue. It might be a good time. Have everybody in a similar mindset. We'd have to see a map of what we've done, too. Correct. Yeah. We're going to have to put that together. Yeah. Wouldn't take long. We don't have those tools like have somebody figure that out for us, but we can drop something together. Right. Okay. All right. What else we doing here? Okay. That's our last item. Um, now we'll go to ordinary business. Um, Mr. Weightman. Thank you, Sher. You got two minutes, two items. So, I have two Goldstein's on deck here. David Goldste on deck. So, we have two on deck. We have we have two new live local sites that have come to life in Pasco. And I want to show you on a map and we'll start see all of them. They're both on commercially zoned sites and it's a perfect time to to bring this up because we're going to Pasco is going to lead the charge on this conversation in the Tri County Commission meeting and we're moving into our legislative session. So this site here is at Curly Road and State Road 54. So if you're coming south on Curly Curly to 54, it's on the west side uh of the road here. and live. It's 25 acres on the right side uh on the right side. Thank you, Chair Oakley. It's on the the right side of the road. You're coming south. It's 25 acres and the proposals in for some 300 plus units. This site has been designated for commercial. And when you look at the traffic flow on this stretch of 54, it's already a bit clunky. It's completely inappropriate. And I I'm just veimately opposed to this. I know we're handcuffed in what we can do. And then the second site that's that's come to life is at the corner at the inter at Old Pasco Road and uh overpass along I75 prime time commercial which could potentially would be fantastic light indust light industrial site but we're unfortunately not going to get there. This is that land do you know? Uh, it's a it's a Clark Hobby moved work to get this zone to commercial, but it's an attorney out of Tampa who owns that that prime time corner there. I think it's in the name of Adrien Phillips and it's owned by Ron Noble, I believe, is their representative. And so, I learned about these last week and it was kind of the the this was what pushed me over the edge with this with this bill. these two these two sites, you know, these aren't partners in our plan. We plan a long time and we have

good actors who want to put multif family in that go through the process and proper planning and make investment in this live local group that comes in. They're not good community partners. It's an abomination of what they're trying to do. It's killing our jobs. It's killing this bill is killing Pasco County jobs. the live local bill is not healthy for our community and especially when they're going after properties like the two we've just shown. And so David Goldstein and I went through this fire drill exercise and we got, you know, with stakeholders, you know, and talking with them of of how can we figure this thing out without, you know, hurting the people who are following the rules, playing by the rules. and the news wasn't good of kind of when you hit that nuclear button. And I'll let David Goldstein explain that portion of it in in his lawyer lawyer way. Um, so well, I guess the question is, do you want to hit the nuclear button? I Well, that's because I don't, but we need the nuclear button is the is the M word. It's moratorium. But explain why we don't want to do that because it's not right to do to the folks who are playing by the rules. This is we're literally stuck in a corner and we there is one option on the table which is an unhealthy option. The live local the live local act basically requires that you bypass zoning and land use and that's your problem. So really the only thing that you can control under the live local act is land development regulations. The live local act also says that these projects get the benefit of whatever the multif family regulations are countywide. So unless you go in and amend your multif family regulations countywide to address these kind of projects, you're kind of stuck. Um, now you could legally do a moratorum, at least I believe you can legally do a mortorium while you develop those land development regulations similar to what you did for mini warehouse um, and maybe some other uses. um that could be done, but the problem with that is that you are potentially affecting other projects that did play by the rules to Commissioner Waitman's point where they went through the proper zoning, land use, and they just need to get their site plans approved. It's I can't think of a good way to distinguish those projects because you have to go in and amend your land development regulations that apply to all multifamily. So now you probably could exempt projects that are not what that we call multif family like but aren't really multif family like town platted town homes. I think we're probably the only ones in the state that consider that to be a multif family product. I don't think the state considers platted town homes to be multif family. You probably could exempt those. you might be able to exempt vertical mixed use, but if you're talking about standard multifamily development, it would be very difficult

for us to distinguish those standard multifamily projects from live local projects. Okay. So, you're saying like we did the apartment moratorum uh in Commissioner Moore's district, we could do a boundary of moratorum again, but we could do that, but it would it would likely have to be countywide. Well, you don't know where these are going to pop up. And I had great conversation with Miss Will height from the stakeholder side. This is so troublesome because you got these bad a I'll call them bad actors that come in and hurt people who've strategically made their investment, taken time to go through the process, do proper planning. I mean, we're about to spend a pile of money widening Old Pasco Road finally. And in that plan to widen that road and just north of it, schools and everything else is not that was planned to be a commercial hub or potential industrial hub job creating right there on that brand new interchange, but instead it's potentially 33 acres of some sort of vertical multif family, not mixed off the tax roles as well. Yes. 40% discount for 30 plus years. they they're they would be eligible for the tax exemption and we can't charge can we charge them mobility fees to help widen the road and all that charge we can charge all of our standard impact fees and we've we've talked each of you individually about changing our impact fee regulations so that we are not incentivizing live local projects. Yeah. Um, but the bottom line, I mean, this may be the worst example, this particular site, because there was actually a subary policy imposed by the board saying that there shall not be residential uses on this site. And is that that can't be our way out. The problem is it's in the comp plan. And the legislature came in and said, you ignore the comp plan, you ignore zoning. This is why when the new ones come in, we have them that the landowner agree to restrict the property. But this was before we did that. This is this we we zoned this property for commercial office, light industrial and hotel before live local occurred. And that's what we thought would occur here. So how many parcels do we have that are at risk like this? And do we need to look at We have a lot of Well, do we need to pre go back and do something to those? I mean, I guess you could in theory go in and change the zoning of them. What would you change it to is the problem? something that that when they came back to do what we want them to do, we could put the deed restriction on them. I What else? What else are we going to do? One thing I think you could change it to that might be safe from live local is maybe PO1 and P2 because live local only

applies to commercial, industrial, and mixed use. So, I think but whatever we change it to, we would let the landowner know. I don't know if this is good to say. um let the land owner know if you want to come back and do something that we want, we would put that restriction on you. Yeah. Voluntarily that you can't do. You are downzoning property. That's what that's what you're doing. Well, that is that better than this. Well, the So, the county attorney is correct. The problem is that when you change C2 to office, they're going to argue that you've taken away their involuntarily taking away their right to commercial. Yep. You talking about the land owner? Yes. Well, I'm telling you to tell that we will tell them come back in and we will approve it with with conditions that it can't be a live local. Like ideally, why not? This would be fantastic light industrial right here. This would be honestly fantastic. It'd be easier for me to defend a mortorium than what you're talking about. I'm just being honest. But how how long can we have a moratorum for? You can't have a moratorum for more than a year. Oh, and that gives us time for the legislature to fix their legislation. They start in January. To be clear, to be clear, the mortorium's purpose would be to develop regulations applicable to multif family projects. Oh, okay. You could do a mortorium for that purpose. That was the main reason you did a mortorium for mini warehouse was to develop regulations applicable to. So, for example, you might want to impose setback requirements on these projects. You may want to impose additional landscaping requirements. You may want to impose additional architectural requirements. If you recall, you all directed staff to do regulations on build dur which hasn't been done yet. So you could use that time to develop those regulations. So there's a way to defend a moratorum to develop regulations applicable to this project. This is why I started the question with a question though which is I don't know if you want to exercise that quote nuclear option because it's going to affect projects that are not live local projects and it's important here. So this is our son affects all of them. So this is we're hearing the counties nuclear side and there's a lot of business and investment that that's made their way through the process that I don't want to see negatively impact. That's when talking to stakeholders is right is very important and if I'd invite Miss Wilhigh if she has any comments to share you don't have to. I'm not putting you

on the spot but both sides of this argument are are very are are valid. like this particular site right here talking with Mr. hobby trying to loosely negotiate with this land owner to not do live local and essentially came back with live local is what it's going to be and that just that that was that is what pushed me over that is not that is horrible and then over at Curly and 54 that whole congested area was going in literally across the street but this is worse this is one of our most valuable corners in the county I agree I and I hope the legislators like what they Yeah. I don't know. You really shouldn't put it on the bad actors of people out there that they're doing what the law allows and that and and I I'm sorry. That's a bad law for us. Does that does that type of live local does that bring a lot of money when they sell it like that? Is it because there's no tax in the future on it so they get more money when they're buying it? My understanding, I mean, I believe they're trying to sell it because there's a market for multifamily, right? They do have to restrict it to 120% of of average median income, but which is high. What Barb will tell you is that those those rents are pretty high. It's 85,000 a year. That's basically just market. I mean, I Yeah, we have county employees that cannot afford 120% of AMI, just so we're clear. So that this it's not like it it's lowinccome housing. This is almost it's really not going to solve that issue of a house to provide the services. We can't figure out how to budget for police and fire and the services that they're going to provide. And I have the data here of what essent you know what multif family the amount of calls that come out of old multif family since 2020 and at least ones we can plan for. We can plan for for for sheriff's deputies and and fire stations and and uh fire personnel. But these things, they just pop up. Here we are and it's not not in the plan and they're dangerous for us for our county. Anyway, Miss Will height, thank you. So, Mr. Chair, just a second. Farmer Will height 6327 Grand Boulevard, Newport, Florida 34652. You know, I've been doing this all my life. Um, conversation about a big M moratorum kept me up all night. Um it is a nuclear option and I would ask you to explore all different options. I spent time on the phone with Mr. Goldstein going through the law and what would you have to do to affffectuate a moratorum that would impact the local projects and is a moratorum on any construction plan submitt for any project properly approved and entitled. Um that's a huge M and it's probably an N because it's a nuclear M NM. Um, I'd ask you to explore other options like what you just went through the list.

It would just stop everybody in there. Suggest some. Well, I'd be happy to. I' I've had a few hours um of of of discussion. Um, but certainly could continue to have those discussions. But I can tell you that the only way you can effectuate a moratorium is by stopping everybody's projects. Projects that are pending, they need site plan approval to close. All of those stop. Um and so you would you'd really be throwing out uh all the hurt a lot actors. Um this is their business you know. So we have talked to you individually about one a carrot approach which is modifying our impact fee incentives so that they don't apply to these live local projects and so they reward the good actors and effectively penalize the bad actors. But that's only a carrot. Okay. That's not a stick. So, I don't have a good stick to offer you because the legislature was so over broad in the way they did this law that it's very difficult for me to come up with a good stick to penalize just these projects without affecting other projects. I'm open to suggestions. I'm happy to if anybody wants to give me something I can use a magic bullet. I'm open to hearing any suggestions. But I mean industry roundt I mean the the the the folks who are playing by the rules for the same you know same type of product that the the two got to come together and and say hey we've got to talk about this and it's important that we talk about this since Pasco is going to be discussing this. When's our meeting? November, next month, real real soon that we're on the same page and understand it can show these real life challenges and how just detrimental to what our our our our view and our destiny is in the envision 2050 plan of growth, especially in the Wesley Chapel in this whole corridor right here. This is such a awesome opportunity in this 54 Old Pasco Road Curly Road corridor to have really something great built and then get eaten up by discounted residential is just horrible. But we can't it's it's hard because I I do not want to hurt the folks that have made the investment are moving forward and have done it the right way. But it's important that we know, you know, our only there's there's one way out and it's a horrible way out and that's the corner that all local that's the position all local governments are put in and that's wrong. And so if we can help Hillsboro understand and Pineellis understand that gives us a stronger voice to go to North Florida I think and say please amend this bill. This is not not this is a great example to show them of the unintended bad consequences and I am very curious to know if we have any other very important corners like this that are at jeopardy because I think we need to be proactive on those four corners on those corners you know on the east side of this we're having all children's hospitals coming

on the east side on the sper property so I don't get every single the problem is these don't go through the zoning process so that I don't see every single one that comes in. I'm not saying that as applying. I'm saying I want to get to them and get to those land owners or whatever before they apply. And well, so this is an example of one where it we did talk to them before they applied. I want to be clear. They talk to who? The land owner or the the land owner? Yeah. Okay. We talked to them before they applied for anything. I tried to dissuade them. I believe Mr. Pitos tried to dissuade them. Commissioner Weightman tried to dissuade them. Dissuade them. He talked to Clark Hobby who I think tried to dissuade them. Every one of them, every one of them when we asked them, they always said, "We're invoking live local. We're invoking live local." Even the seller, it's a blunt force object. Wham. Who's who's the seller? It's it's I believe the land owner is Adrien Phillips, but it their representative is Ron Noble. I don't know who the actual owner is. Mr. Jav may know if he's still here. No, he's not. He's not. Yeah, he left. But the person that I spoke to was Ron Noble. And Ron Noble is the attorney representing the seller, I believe. So, and I believe David Freeman is the principal representing the potential buyer who wants to develop multif family. Do we And we don't know who that is. I I know who Mr. Freeman is. Who Who is the developer? I believe Mr. Freeman is is is representing the developer. I think he is the developer. He develops He Who's Mr. Freeman? David Freeman. He's developed other projects in Pasco County. I don't Okay. Well, that Well, he's done. That's the little hammer. No. Well, I mean, it's not. So, Commissioner bottom of the pile. So, Commissioner Starky, to your point, five years for a permit. To your point, he's he he's a he's doing what the law allows is the problem. Yeah, I know. So, so I can So, we can change the incentives that we give to make sure they're not able to take advantage of them. Well, that's step one, but I don't It's the stick part that I have a hard time with. And, and like I said, if somebody's got an idea, I'm open to it. Okay. And here's another one. Um, if you don't like that last one.

Yeah. No, didn't like that last one. I was only joking. Um, Mr. Steiner said, "We paid an awful lot of money for the rightway." Yes. When we buy right away, can we deed can we deed restrict it to not go into live local? Well, we bought the right of way. The rightway is ours now. I'm just saying in the future in the future. Is that just another little layer of protection we can have? When we bought this right away, it was prior to live local. I know that, but I'm saying that somebody would have no way of knowing that that this that somebody would come in and preempt our ability to I I understand that. But if we're doing it anywhere else, yes, but it's not You have to understand the future projects aren't an issue anyway because if they're going through the zoning or land use process, Commissioner Waitman asked every single one of them, did you agree to to restrict live local? Is there anywhere that we are buying land to widen a road? I'm sure there are areas we're buying land to buy to widen a road. I am suggesting that we add a clause in there that it can't be used for live local. It's just another little the problem is when you're in the imminent domain process that will only drive the price cost of your acquisition up. Now you can you can negotiate that as part of the sale, but it will but it will increase your costs of of purchasing. What are we going to lose at a 40% discount for the next 30 plus years on top of the expense of providing services to them? Well, just don't buy the What juice is worth the squeeze? is a little bit upfront or the long term or forget it. They're not getting a widened road. Yeah, we we have to Old Pasco has No, I mean I mean Oh yeah, that's that's going to happen. I'm saying in other places. I mean that I mean what are we going to do at the intersection of Curly Road and 54 with 380 units on that corner now. It's already a when you're going eastbound and you're trying to turn left to get on Curly and go north back home or wherever folks are going, it's a cluster. Yeah, it is. in and curly in and of itself is a mess. And then, you know, 54 in that stretch is is is a bit of a mess, too. We have, you know, there's another road that actually take some of that traffic away from that. Yeah. But it was never planned for another 380 units at 2 and a half people per unit. It's not that whole intersection is just ripe for just being a cluster right there. And that's it's it's just appalling. and and when you go and talk to the folks who who are doing this and it's it's this is what we're doing. So, I share this that we all have an

understanding you're on the same page and that there's really one option and it's a it's a very uncomfortable option and it's and Tallahassee put local governments in this situation and it's it's unfortunate. Yeah. Let's look at this and maybe next meeting see if we can't bring something. Well, we before next meeting, we have our big meeting with all the county commissioners. And this has got to be on the agenda for our presentation. Yeah. And this is such a prime example of what no county wants, no county in the state of Florida wants this. The the other thing you may if if you I agree with David that the multif family moratorum countywide is not only the nuclear option but that's probably the most defensible option moving forward. But you can do lesser things. And based on the example here, um, we might be able to revitalize the old commercial node concept. Um, and create a moratorum on nodes of the major roadways for multifamily. if we're trying to encourage other things in those corridors. Just saying. I mean, you could you'd be able to describe it to finite property. Um, it wouldn't cover the entire county, but it would be those critical areas that [Music] you're describing that as a as a thought, right? Yeah. But how quickly could we do that to defend this say this parcel for example because you don't know when these are going to come in same they're sporadic and there there's no pattern so I think it would take our planning department to map out correct all of those areas I don't know I'd defer to Terry or Brad as to how long that would take them to map out those affected areas I mean we could get started on something like that and probably have to report back I don't know what size of a task that is If if the board sees this as a priority, we can reshuffle priorities. Priority. We need we need to get started on it sooner than later. Um, when I when I think of the investment that our citizens made at the I75 overpass area that we paid for that overpass, we're paying for the widening of Old Pasco Road. To have this kind of user come in is just a kick in the gut. It's what put me it it put me it pushed me. You ask Miss Willight and others. I was just appalled. I think we all need to be paying attention to it and next meeting if we come up with some real great ideas, let's bring it forward. So rather than continue talking about it, we don't have that answer yet. So did you have something else? No. Thank you uh board members. I just wanted to share this and get our get thinking and collectively try to figure this out on our side and with the

stakeholders and we be prepared when we go in our tri county commission meeting in the upcoming legislative session that we all be aligned on how we box this this issue. So I I appreciate your time. Okay. Mr. Bradford, you have something for the board today. I believe Commissioner Bradford had to drop. Yes, sir. He's dropped off. Okay. Oh, there he is. Okay. Go ahead. I have nothing today. Okay, Gary. Thank you. Yes, sir. Okay. Um, Mr. Kabala, just real quick, thank you, sir. Uh, number one, we had a successful Two Good Souls uh shoes and sock drive event. uh you know for if you're not familiar with that that's where we work collaboratively across uh government here constitutional school board uh and the board to to have uh shoes and socks uh donated and and this year again we we we broke records and since 2016 I was going to say we had almost 3200 pairs of shoes and almost 6,000 pairs of socks donated which brings us to over 18,000 uh pairs of shoes and almost 46,000 pairs of socks collected since 2016 on doing this. So, I'd like to publicly thank Kathy Pearson, Paula Barlado, and the team on our side for working that as well as collaboration between Eric, I had that film ready. We could show that. Oh, were you going to show that one? I'll back off. Show that. I'm I'm done talking about that. I don't need you to Good souls for Yeah. Uh the other thing, but go ahead. You may have noticed this out in the lobby, but the Pasco Perspective that is uh kind of our our art program with our employees and their families. And so the art is actually starting to come in now. And uh it'll it'll be on display and there's going to be a reception I think coming coming up soon. So look for that on your calendar. It's uh I think just a great way to celebrate the arts, but also the talents of our employees and their families. So I I thank you. That's all. Also to add to that, we artwork in the U boardroom A. There's some real nice paintings right in there that the person did in the in that room. Uh, you have anything? Oh, who attorney? All right. She Oh, excuse me. You have anything to do? I do. Um I had sent you all an email um I guess it was two weeks ago that um the Oh yeah. case um Hammond versus Pasco County. Hammond and the IAFF versus Pasco County was decided by the circuit court judge. Not in our favor. Um I would not recommend appealing the the decision. I think we just Yeah, I agree with you. It was a motion for summary judgement and we've lost.

Yeah. Um the other issue that I've the other issue that is um I've been approached by the supervisor of elections um who indicated it's time that time of year again. Um he's trying to locate board members willing to serve uh on the canvasing board for the 24 cycle. I'm running. So you you have the pre presidential preference primary, then you have the August primaries, and then you have the the September. Um and I you know, while you all probably could be available for the presidential preference in February. It makes sense to have continuity through all of the three the three elections. Um, which sort of sets up Commissioner Weightman and Commissioner Bradford. Um, I'm I've supported I'm supporting people. Okay. I'm publicly supporting folks. Yeah. The same issue and I'm running. Yeah. Yeah, that is Bradford. Um, so I I'll have a conversation with Commissioner Bradford about um whether or not that's a that's a possibility and we'll uh I will relay that to the supervisor. Um tax collectors uh office historically uh Mr. Gordono has stepped in whenever there was a void. So he has experience. I don't know if that's an option, but just FYI. Yeah. Okay. That's all. That's all. Thank you. Yep. That's Well, thank you for that. Um I do not have anything, Madam Cler. I do not have anything. Thank you. Just because you came in after a half a day. That's right. Okay. You could add Thanks. Could we show the uh two good souls that little clip we had for Pasco County? $2.2 million. Wow. $2.2 million. I didn't mean to take away from uh Can we administrators talk, but this says it all. So, and it's No, it's it's all good. [Music] Thank you. We are here for our eighth good souls. As you can see around here, we have Thousands of shoes and socks ready to be given to our students in our school system. I was blown away to see the amount of shoes and the socks donated this year. Just a true testament to how we can all come together and give back. Like middle school is hard and even elementary school if you don't have shoes and socks you could get bullied. So I feel like it's really important for them to actually have shoes and socks. as working for Pasco County government.

It's just been such a great opportunity for us to be able to give back and rather than just focusing on the daily tasks of our jobs, we have something that we can engage in and just pour back into the community. So, we've really enjoyed that. Thank you all for contributing. Thank you all for being here. The young girl in there is Lane Mendlesson's daughter, a good friend of mine, and that's his older daughter. But, uh, she's always been a part of that giving shoes. But a great project. Thank you everything, Kathy, for all you do. Yeah. I just I wanted you to know that in in our commission office on this side, we started um being a little more um aggressive. I don't know what the word is. Um you bought some shoes. Well, I've always bought shoes, but we when the developers came into our office, we had flyers sitting on the table and um I know some some some of some attorneys bought shoes and donated and I thank them for that. But the funniest one was I got a call from um Ed Briggs from Pasco Builders for the Tampa Bay Builders Association that the the housing develop builder um oh now I'm going to forget the names. They're the ones out of Hernando that that did that bill that we didn't like that took away the uh um a right to put um architectural restrictions. Highland Homes um donated $2,000 worth of shoes and socks. Wow. And Ed and I had a very big laugh and I'm very grateful that they did that. And and we I I said, "Now, are they ugly shoes or are they nice shoes?" But um we all had a fun laugh over that and and I'm very grateful to them. I'll send them a personal note, right? But um ne next year just let's keep from our office. Make sure that we're asking the people that we do business with to to donate to. That's really good. Good. Thank you. Uh uh Mike Bishop's term has expired on the tourist development council and I'd like nomination to put him back on there. Uh so moved. Second. Absolutely. Got a motion second. All those in roll call vote. Yes, sir. District 1, Commissioner Oakley. Hi. District two, Commissioner Waitman. Hi. District three, Commissioner Starky. Hi. District four, Commissioner Bradford. District 5, Chairman Mariano. Okay, motion passed. Uh, I visited the uh ribbon cutting ceremony out at the Wesley Chapel area with St. Luke's. And there's the fil showing the new building. We got some other pictures. There's Pit. Yep. Pitzer. So had a very very good ribbon cutting and

Jim made it. Wow. Yep. The main man made it. Dr. Gil, he's a good good friend. So I was glad to see him there. Okay. Is there another picture or is that it? Okay. Thank you. All right. But that was grand. I mean I told them there and um the fact of it is we have you know two and three hospitals coming into Pasco right now and then all children's hospital coming at overpass and then we have uh I think the Kaufman Clinic out of Zephr Hills there are also in Wesley Chapel and then also uh St. Luke's coming there with with their care and I care and that and you we've gotten an area there that in Wesley Chapel is going to be known for a lot of health issue for for hospitals and all and a lot of competition and that high competition is so great. The fact of it is the benefactor of all that competition of them, each of the hospitals and the clinics and all trying to be the very best they can be is going to give our citizens the best service, best health care they could have. So, we got to be grateful for that. And also, you got Moffett, you know, there too that they're huge. But it all this is competition. All of them are going to try to be number one or the best. So, it's great the fact that uh they're there and the citizens are going to benefit from that. So, um, so next I actually I went to and spoke at the Zephr Hills Rotary Noon Club in, uh, on October 19th. And my phone won't quit ringing today. But, um, yeah, I spoke to the RO club and explained some of that those issues and how everything's growing. And, you know, the new bakery coming in Zephr Hills. I mean, it just it just keeps coming in district one and and some I mean, district 2's actually been growing for quite a while and district one kind of sat there, but now we're starting to catch up. There's a lot of good things coming into East Pasco County and kind of changes the way we look at certain things because it's moved so fast. So, but we got a new uh road works and all that coming in for as 98 301 and then 98 course toward Poke County and all. I I met some of the folks that are going to start building that section going from Clinton Avenue across and back to 98 all the way to the county line. They're there looking at it because they're fixing to start that job. So, it's really important for our county. It'll it'll bring a lot of traffic through our county, a lot of business out of the Luchi area. That traffic will go different ways because all the road work neck network that we have in that area. So, it's very good that we have that. Um, then lastly, I I I met with Mr. Cabala and I met with Eric and we had a great meeting. But I want you to know our our staff and uh Eric's department and Mr. Cabala, they're working for this all of our employees and I am very grateful and thankful for what they're doing and I think they're doing a great job in that. I actually believe that you're going to

see some real changes in the future that's going to make us that premier county that we're all striving to have. So, but thank you for y'all meeting with me and we discussing different things. And the benefactor of all that is our employees and our staff that that do a great job. they're gonna be able to be better and better. So, so, but that's all I have. Does anyone else have anything to say before we adjourn? I do have a question. Um, just on and I've been looking at the connected city plan and um I know this was done before we were doing the um traffic circles and I see all kinds of intersections within connected city. Are there are they traffic circles or are they lights? Circles on Curly. Uh, I see one, two, three, lot of circles or some eight. I see a lot of intersections. So, I'm just hopefully they're circles. It it it was not. Uh, there's actually the master roadway plan has the intersection diagrams for traditional intersections. Um, that is unfortunate. We didn't have a lot of support for the traffic circles until afterwards, which is when we were able to work on Curly Road and actually get some of that uh placed in there. It does not preclude uh people from doing those internal. We can also have some means to maybe do some of those on the roadways where it makes sense. Um can't do them at all the intersections just because of the size of the roads there. Um but uh where it makes sense we can certainly consider that work with applicants to do that as an option if it's something they want. We don't have I feel that we should because it keeps the traffic moving and it's so much better for pedestrians. But Curly itself does have quite a few circles also, but like overpass couldn't necessarily be a circle because it's wherever we can crossing that road. Yeah, I think Rangeland wins the award for the most. Rangeand Boulevard. Fine. But but Curley's Curley's close there. There's going to be a few along that road um over time. I think we believe we have three right now. Mr. Whiteman, thank you, Chair. Yeah, to that that point that whatever that intersection overpass right there by Eper Lagoon, it's a pretty large intersection there. That's a pretty hairy crossing going east west. There's currently I don't think a red light there at minimum. Red lighted overpass. Yes, we need to we need some to take a look at that. It's I believe uh we get a lot of emails. Yeah, we do. We do get a lot and uh we've there's there's warrants that we need to do and and different things that happen to kind of make sure that these are are truly necessary lights and if there's other options that we can use to try to control the traffic. Well, the amount of golf cart traffic in the morning in the mornings going eastbound take kids to school. Yep.

You've got a mix of commercial vehicle, residential traffic, parents on golf carts. I cring. It's cringeworthy to drive. One in Watergrass. Yes. To go to Water. That's all the parents that have been coming here. Yeah. They're connecting there. They're coming. But you got to remember Watergrass was not set up to be a golf cart community at all, but they're coming from Epson. Eper and all that was a set to be a golf cart. There's a there's a portion of Eper that's actually north of Watergrass on that side of Curly Road where there's a charter school there. Now that some of that golf cart traffic also tries to make that correct as well. Uh there's a few different ways. Um we're working with county engineer and several other folks to to look at water grass the scenario there. Um overpass has some restrictions um as to what we can do with overpass. Um but we're trying to kind of look at all of that. But there is I I believe they are looking at uh the signalization of that intersection. I believe it is on the plans to be signalized. It was just a matter of timing as to when it can't happen soon enough. Yeah, I agree. Yes. But but the nice thing about that though is the number of golf carts that are there. You know, the number of golf carts being used in these communities. That's what these communities were designed for and they're actually playing out that way. So, I think that's a good thing, too. You know, you got to remember uh that overpass coming through. We're a little bit I think late on getting that road on on through to go to Casix and 301, but um the fact that all that traffic hit over there so quickly, it some of those roads were not prepared to take it to Han cart and as it's I know we got a move it's like a moving target. It's moving in the right way, but it does take time to design and get things right. So, we got to remember that our staff's working hard to to do that, but we've had a lot of, like you said, we have a lot of emails and things of this nature that's coming into us all the time. I actually I've seen um engineering staff put out the right message to folks and week later they're back asking the same thing again. I mean, it kind of gets irritated because we've answered it, but they're impatient. And I understand their impatience because we all have that tendency to be impatient about the good things that are coming and staff's really working hard at making that happen. Development is a is a very complex thing and it's often difficult to discuss with some folks that don't have understand some of the basic concepts. But we do want to make sure that anybody that has concerns can reach out to us. We're happy to sit down and talk with anybody and uh and talk them through, provide

them information, whatever they need to try and try and help them understand. I I have one more thing, one more thing I wanted to bring up that happened. I think I brought this up at the MO meeting, but not everyone was there. Um, we had an accident on 54 uh in the last two weeks where we had an a cooking oil. Yeah. A a faulty valve shut down 54. Yeah. And I want to remind you that's our only east west road and it just elevates the importance of getting range land um which is under under design right now. Where where are we on that? where that segment of it actually where you could be eligible for that's right that that segment we're actually could be eligible for federal funding. So we're kind of taking a different approach to it because it goes to the um to the expressway. Uh we're we're doing we broke the route study into two into two phases. So we are in the route study phase and then after that we we move to design land acquisition and then eventually construction and it makes it eligible for that trucker. That's the worst thing ever could happen to him because when that food grade oil is slick where no traction for cars and they just spin. They don't That's what was happening until they h that's what happened. Still in that liquid food hauling and thank goodness he's never had none of that. So, but just think of the businesses that that were along there um that that lost the ability to do business that day. Trying to think that happened actually before before Sun Coast. So, it really made a made a mess right there. So, um, yeah, we just that that really shows the importance of rangeand. We're journ. All right.