09.19.2023 Pasco Board of County Commissioners Meeting (Afternoon Session)

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good afternoon we're going to resume the board County Commissioners meeting um and two items we have a few consent items we're going to pick up two that we didn't get through and uh item C8 was pulled by myself the inter local agreement with the City of Newport Richie and Town and Country annexation to the transfer of public roads jurisdiction so Town and Country is something that I had worked on extensively with first the people that owned a lot of units in there uh that were being undercode uh troubl for quite a while had a lot of troubles down there I know the city spent a lot of time in there trying to go in there and fix it as well got some good TV publicity bad TV publicity uh but I think the staff went in there and did a great job cleaning up two different times going through it uh in that period of time working with Kus alren from Habitat Humanity for West Pasco they went and worked with us and they bought 71 units the county then picked up 71 paid for them uh put a transfer in with habitat human many to have them build homes we had homes built in that area um and one of the struggles habitat have was had to raise them up three or four feet which hurt the value uh increased the cost so they profitability dropped down they work with the previous administrator to go sell the properties um I objected to that didn't hear anything more about it not knowing all the conversations going on with the City of Newport Richie and when I found found out that they had sold the property even after getting a letter to that I was surprised that it did it didn't come back to us at any point um so with all these negotiations going on one of the things we did with habitat right off the bat with working with city folks and not the two gentlemen sitting with us but Jeff starky and I think Debbie mans was there we talked about what we're going to do to try to re Revitalize that area and go through and one was to B the septic toour in um one of the problems that I felt was the uh the city at the time did not want to uh wave the impact fees that was going to be coming in so the money we're going to be raising working with us water they did some great work for us the cost was like 2.3 million or so and part of the money was going to go for those fees so with all that I'm not sure how it all played out but um everything stagnated we did try to get money through the state um didn't get funded and and now it to this point as I look at the agreement um talking to Mike carbella about it uh I asked I says so if they take this over um is this going to go into the CRA and as I see in the agreement Mike in looking at it you can see now that it does say it's going to go to the CRA correct and I and I think the reason for that is is that's how the the city is going to fund their share of the improvements is by getting that into the CRA is my understanding City reps are here of course and they can answer to that but that's generally what I I want to deal just with you this conversation at this point so in that uh thing one of the things we did with the

city of Port Richie was we worked we just signed an agreement I think last meeting where they took people uh different areas that were pretty affluent out of this CRA to come forward one of the conversations with Dan biles was to do the same thing with the city I think we did some a couple years ago has any more of that happened in the conversations not to my knowledge and and definitely not during my first year here I've not really had any at length discussions on on making any adjustments to the CRA with the city no sir okay all right so the first part is just the inter local agreement about the transfer uh an annexation um but it ties in to me to the second part as well um so commissioner Starker you want to make a comment about this particular part yeah and um this is where this is my neighborhood um it's not my district um but it is my neighborhood and it is so much better than it used to be um you couldn't go to my public there without watching drug deals go down in the in front of them um and it's gotten a lot better um I used to be shocked to drive down those roads and see people that looked like they were dead laying under trees um on nasty sofas and it it was bad it was really bad it is much better uh than it was um but it still has a long way to go it's an odd pie Commissioners it's an enclave it is it is the city it is the County's property surrounded by the city on all sides so it's it's it creates issues with the sheriff and Newport Reggie police um fire I think we have a fire station coming nearby um I my brother-in-law Frank um pro bono designed the a layout for the community and um is sits on the the um habitat board and and um my neighborhood helped actually pay for one of the habitat houses we we we fund we did fundraisers within our Gulf Harbor community and and built one of the houses um I was disappointed when habitat sold the lots that they had accumulated I I I'm not going to deny that I mean I I was kind of shocked actually um but this is the the way I look at it um and I had numerous meetings with the Newport Richie about this and making sure they had skin in the game as the county is putting skin in the game this is a very it's a pocket of crime and dereliction in that area that needs to be cleaned up and if if we can work together to clean it up I think that's great and so now that they're coming in with a million and a half um Plus plus plus my understanding is they're going to be buying those lots back and using it for the intended purpose that we wanted it to be I think that's a good project um frankly I hope this is the beginning of other opportunities on the 19 quarter to go into derel communities and give them a shot in the arm um I know this is in your District I've got some down in mine um that really need some attention um Mile Stretch Holiday Drive and I think you have others in yours that could have this little little Focus so I am in full support of working with the city Newport Richie to to get this three four block

area maybe cleaned up on the tax rolls they take it over that's fine um and and then I'd say let's try and do it again somewhere else may maybe not with them maybe with Port Richie or just us but let let us clean up some of these bad areas get get them rejuvenated so as you say m commissioner starky this was terrible for a long time and I want to say Mike carbella and his team did a phenomenal job going in there cleaning it up and it wasn't just one road through it was like two roads through as far as going through to clean it up and the second one was massive and for what used to be there is not nearly as bad all the bad stuff is pretty much cleared out it's empty land the problem and I was trying to get this done from before and I've heard so to just go put the septic to sewer uh put the sewer system Connections in is not the answer because what happens is if you ever go down those roads and you go look in the during the daytime after storms come in there's water in all these streets in the in the in the yards where the kids PL kids can't can't go outside so if we're going to do this and I said this from the get-go we need to put a more comprehensive plan to work with d work with the state Swift Etc and get fill in there to raise it up 3et because if you that's what they're going to do well I I haven't seen any of that and there's no way there's enough money for that what we're looking at right now so if we're going to go do that that thing's got to get lifted up all the way through otherwise you're just going to and not all of it it's probably like half of it needs to be done but otherwise you're going to get affordable housing with kids out there they can't go out in the yard it's going to be a slump I want to see it done right now in now let me go further the other thing that you got to do is if we're going to go look at putting money into this project I don't want to throw good money in after bad uh there's other projects like Green Key Road could be a great project to go do that you can go fund that would be a great for the city and the county for all the people there but if we're going to go look for money for septic for to convert septic to sewer commissioner starky you were with me commissioner Oakley I think you were with me when we talked to who Senator Simpson commissioner agriculture Simpson what did he say he said he's got money out there I think there's money rather than taking our hard taxpayer money which we're going to be batt with later on today about how we're going to go fund what we got to go fund right because i' I've heard this from what commissioner what M Mike carbella sent us we're looking at trying to make Cuts even from our existing milit just going to take hard taxpayer dollar if we can go work together which I'd rather do and go get State funding uh through the commissioner agriculture or the just the state even Federal money that's where this we this project should go so you want to elevate it let's go elevate it but don't take hard taxpayer money when

there's other money that can be used out there I I I um think that we've had this money allocated for years uh we did this deal with them um I think I am fully okay with them doing that um and frankly uh they can apply for the grants and do all those things we don't have to be the one this is an enclave um Let's Help Let's help lift this this community up and let them run with it they have a CRA District we don't that they have the ability to go after different kinds of money for this that cities can get that we can't why would we take it on and then turn it over to them let them do it why would I go spend two millions of Pasco County taxpayer money to go help the project when I can go other ways about it why would I want to go do that especially when we're going to have a millage battle later on today about how we're going to pay for put our budget together because this is a joint project that we've been working on for six eight years and now we're going to pull the rug out and we're we we're 10 houses in and we're pulling the rug out I I just don't think that's the way you do projects well why didn't we speak up when habitat offered the property back to us no one jumped on it I said I didn't know how to sell it I didn't get that I didn't see that letter I would have said something for I brought it up I think they have a plan can can do you want to talk about your plan instead of us guessing what your plan is one of you guys sorry I know Debbie had uh hang on a second this there's not open for him but before we bring you up let's let let the Commissioners have a discussion thank you chairman before you about with all was it the old board or the new board with the habitat with what you just said the it was before the old board bought all the property from the before the habitats merged with pelis so that board of habitat went out and bought all the properties and we worked with them to go fund it we tried to fund it different ways so we funded it and they were going to pay us back as they sold which they did for the first seven the new habitat with West Pasco joining pelis they built the first seven they were losing money they didn't like that so they said we're going to stop the project because we didn't want to build in an area that's in the flood zone still and I I will tell you going out there personally it didn't make sense even though we put some Phill out there to have kids that can't go play in a yard with with affordable housing so habitat decided to and they sent the letter to the county Dan bow worked it uh when I saw the letter and we talked about I didn't want the sale to happen um no further conversation happened with it and again with no sunshine not knowing what was going on with all these these negotiations which I didn't know you were negotiating I wish I had known just like as far as the district that spent District commission had spent so much time working on this thing frankly and that's probably why these conversations went so so far because I

would have worked this a lot differently for us but anyway so habitat sold it to some developers and I guess some others have picked up the difference I'm not sure where we stand but yeah they sold so commissioner it it may be in a flood zone my house in Gulf Harbors is in a flood zone I have never had water in my yard I've never seen standing water in those streets so um you heard the people in Riverside V say they live in a flood zone that doesn't mean they don't get to use their yard we just had this evacuation of Zone a there there was a couple inches on the corner of my street um of water but there was no one's yard went underwater except one person I think so so now they do have to elevate the houses that's anyone who builds in the zone a has to go elevated um but what you're going to have if we don't um if this doesn't happen is is people living in those those lots that you can't that are unbuildable right now and it's just going to be back to Crime City again don't think that there's not crime back there now it's just it's we could ask the sheriff's office but it it's I I will give you that a couple of those drug houses are gone that were real problems and and frankly I think we had a drug they called it the white a white house we had we literally had a community in the trees hooked up to someone's business the governor's mansion the governor's mansion they had washers and dryers and refrigerators and and I remember we we'd ask them do don't you want housing no we're good we're good yeah they had their own house in the woods there with electricity so um I still stand by our commitment um to Newport Richie and I think you should hear what their plans are before we make a decision and that's fine we'll bring it but I think we should have this discussion here first commissioner Oakley I was just wondering this is in a flood plane and they had flood insurance on these properties they will have to they'll have to yeah how can they afford that it's going it's skyrocketed along with a lot of other insurance you know on other homes that are not even in flood planes but you have a high insurance coverage for your house and you had attack that large flood zone plant on top of I don't see how those people can even afford to be there if the house has elevated the flood and built to Hurricane code the flood insurance is a lot less still but an expense you can't seen it less okay and there's an insurance we have an insurance man right here commiss wait thank you I was going to say we have a insurance man like he's teed up I do insurance as well and it's it's extra expense but again habitat walked away and it might have been partly because of that too number one the extra expense of raising that up and now with the new laws that are in place this is before habitat left but that probably would be another Factor why they might have left as well because the extra expense you're trying to build affordable housing you don't build it you couldn't get funding in it in a flood zone yeah so that hasn't changed

and that's why I say for for the years I've been talking about this we need to raise up the elevation 34 ft it's going to take a lot of fill I try to get we actually did get some of the land from Timber Oaks to go down there to to go raise up the field to just make those houses a little more pedable but literally in commissioner starky I will tell you when I first started Leisure Lane went under water all the time we worked closely with the city way back when what we did was we made sure we dug all the trenches that was done all on leis Lane at Gulf Drive the city took care of digging their trench out to uh the the end of the gulf and then we finished off our connection there and tropical storm Debbie after we' done those things and repaved the road and gave it a pitch so the water could get in the drains that street didn't flood out and hadn't flooded since but but when you go to those yards that are going to up and down there on the low levels which is 3/4 away up to vendor and in Leisure Lane those areas there are going to have homes that are built and the kids it's it's sad to see you get to see a bike out there and the and the water in the thing is up halfway up the rim of the the bike I mean the kids can't go out in in the yard and play so I think we need to fix the area completely before we even make this happen continue this and filling the lots to we're not filling the Lots we're raising the houses so the and the houses don't they don't have to go to 15 feet or four feet so I'd really like you to hear what's going on out there and I maybe I'll shoot a picture up to show you what the houses look like they're they're adorable I would if you don't mind I I would don't mind hearing from the city but I do like the idea of continu because I will tell you my seeing this agenda item was a shocker to me that we we were doing this without even having a conversation with the district commissioner not the way to yes but city folks uh mayor councilman I've been this Chopper Davis 6110 Florida Avenue Newport Richie um I've been in that in that area and it's been um a Crim ridden area forever um the period ofart period that you're talking about cleaning it up you got rid of a lot of the trailers that were uninhabitable anymore there's still a good dozen in there they're still unhabitable so so there's still the crime section in that area and and it's right at the Ed North edge of Southgate Mall which is is is a a very fluid area with people from Gulf Harbors from Newport richy and um we just passed an ordinance too that allows golf carts to get across golf drive so they can go to Southgate but to get to Southgate you've got to go down Leisure or voran which you send you right through that those those areas and and our whole idea to clean that area up um one of the reasons it wasn't mentioned that um habitat left was that there they there was no more sewer and water down the rest of the street and they weren't going to build any more houses it seemed like everything was stalled so that's one of

the reasons they left so it's not that they just got up and left we didn't provide the the water and sewer for them to continue down the street it's it's a um it's it's a homeless shelter and of course it's a Enclave like you said so there needless to say we can't necessarily we have you know inner local agreement but we don't go storming in that area from the city to try to take care of that place it's really the County's place to be in there and they're not going to go in there very often because this is an enclave so we're trying to clean this thing up we're trying to raise it a little bickering of back and forth about elevation and dirt I mean still you're going to elevate it it's not going to be flooded all the time year round it's it's very rare that I've ever seen it flooded myself and I've been like I said in new paridi since 83 and going to Southgate mall but I think you need to consider the whole package and what we would do for that area um the it's it's and also all the job opportunities in that area we're going to be putting a 90 hotel and 90 um um condos right down the other end of Southgate you've got the the jobs that are in Southgate you got the you know and then and also to the north you've got you know um North Bay Hospital not too far away but you're going to have um low income housing in that area which is something that's that's needed in the whole West Pasco area where where isn't Crimean there's some other places that are low income but there's Crimean and we're going to straighten that up so our idea isn't just isn't just water and sewer down the line and the houses we're going to build we're going to straighten that area up and people will want to go through there and drive through there no lady's going to take her golf cart down there right now in the evening and very few guys will take their golf cart down there during the evening and we like I said we're trying to work that golf cart situation since we have over 300 golf carts in town thank you mayor the um Mike Peters 6446 railroad Newport Richie Florida the um um the whole idea is you know is to to partner with you folks I I remember you know three years ago one of the one of the first events I went to after I was installed city council was an open house a house gifting for habitat of human um habitat um human for Habitat so the that was three years ago and uh they built buil I think two more houses after that and they quit and and the habitat people told us there they couldn't go any further because there was no infrastructure to put in and at that time I think we were had well in conversation on on making this deal and maybe that's why the the county didn't go after this easy grant money that should be out there and not use taxpayers but but evidently we found out it wasn't that easy that tried to go back and get money and it wasn't there so um but this this this area has been you know well UND served for some time is right next door to the city's um

biggest taxpayer and on the other side we're going to have a $40 million condo um Hotel project going in and uh and and then right behind Southgate there's another a senior living affordable housing project go in so this this this area just is it's time to catch up is I guess what I'm asking you and and it frankly if if the the county wants to take it buy up all the lots and flatten just leave it raw land that's fine just eliminate the problem but here's an opportunity where you can go spend $2 million and what we were thought was going to be 1.5 now with with inflation factors working in we'll spend well over over $2 million of our money working the project you know we go back to that um um some of the things we we have in place um you know of the 1.5 million it was um and the sewer impact fees is not that much it's $260,000 but um we got $400,000 for sidewalks $600,000 for asphalt uh couple thousand do or street lights $277,000 for a a neighborhood park and we also have some money in there probably not enough but we got $155,000 for storm water improvements and that's probably going to have to even even be more so you know and and so here's an opportunity for this how for this property and this area to get get renovated you guys can write write a check and walk away from it we'll write a bigger check and we'll do all the work I I think it's a it's a it's a wind opportunity if you guys want to do it we're just I'm I'm concerned it'll happen fast enough so we want to get going on it and that's that's the whole deal you know three years has gone by and we're not there yet matter of fact we've gone backwards with habitat leaving so we we got to get back on the plan so you know and there's properties you know we've got pictures it's still yeah it's been cleaned up some of that some of the brush and so forth but it's it's still really bad properties and probably home to 300 cats or so but you know it's a situation where we we got to move and we got to move now and I think this opportunity gives you an easy way out basically uh and and if there's grant money available for drainage and so forth um that Green Key Road is a is a very admirable project and probably needs a lot of grant money for what needs to be done back in there the city has invested out there we also have plans to to um in that green key we've done what we can and we also have some some extra work that we're doing there later this year so we're doing what we can to help that draining section but but there's a lot of work up there to me needs to be done and if there's grant money to go after that'd be a good good place to to to go I think so I appreciate your consideration Mike you you bring up a good point about the road um I just sent you a picture of vanor I think it's um I bet it will would cost us a lot more than a million dollars to fix Van Dorne um no that's not it Mike I said I sent it to

Mike yeah so so I I guarantee C go in there and fix those roads will be more than $2 million we're going to give them no we're not giving them the money move to re F second all in favor say I we are I'm pretty sure what we're doing is putting in the we're paying for the infrastructure to go in how how's this money working out and Sewer so the the money the money that the county is providing is is to install basically get rid of the septic systems and install sewers so sewer laterals sewer trunks that would Connect into Newport Richie sewer system that's what the money is for we don't want septic in that area it's good to get them off of septic and it's and then then they'll pay for to fix the roads and we won't have to pay to fix the roads I I I see it as a win-win Y and um and we get rid of an enclave that is a real problem for us and yeah and a revitalization of a neighborhood that needs it and let let me go back to the habitat for a second because I had a meeting with habitat and Marcy I don't think Kathy was in that meeting but we really had a wonderful meeting uh because frankly I was getting a little ticked at them and I was like maybe supporting them not being pelis Pasco anymore um because they were saying not good things about us and that we don't work with them and we really we really um had a wonderful came to a wonderful understanding of how they can access our cdbg and our our state and federal money that they didn't know how to do in our County apparently we do it a little differently than panel so we are now able to come in and help them underwrite some of those cost of those houses and they're coming back into the county in a big way um using some of our the money that's supposed to be used for that purpose so I'm I'm back on track with habitat Mr chairman uh let me just ask Kathy a quick question to refer something like that Kathy remember we tried to like get this where we could try to find cdbg money to finance this project when we're going to buy the Lots can you tell me tell us why we couldn't get that done because it was in the flood zone U so we didn't utilize any ship funding at that time much as we had a great source for affordable housing we couldn't use those funds to do it that's why we had to use general fund money so commissioner Oley yeah this area also besides being like it is and and it's needs needs work but I'd like to really look it over a little more than what we're looking over but it's also on the high call uh district for the Sheriff's Office yeah they're they're getting a lot of calls so there is some things we need to do but I don't feel I can answer those things without knowing more about this so so what I what I would like to do let me go work with the city let me go work with the Commissioner of Agriculture let me go work on the septic the sewer funds that could be out there and see if there's something available that we can go because if you just put the septic Z in you're going to you're still going to have the flooding on The

Yards because it's still going to be raised you're going to have high insurance cost that are still going to go on we could really do this well if we take a little more time and again I don't want to use our County taxpayers money when I could use grant money from the state which is extraordinary that's out there like we've never seen before so the opportunity is there and I think if we went went jointly asking that hand in hand for the city and the county it would make all the sense in the world yeah so I'm I'm good if you want to make a motion to continue same issues too with with the commissioner agriculture all right so if you want to make a motion to continue C and8 C8 and nine when when you wanted to come back um next month you're not going to be in I won't be here in October so have to be December next month I'm I'm going to be away so let's say have to be December and that might give us time to go to the Committees up in Tallahasse anyway we have a no November meeting here we have a November meeting the November meeting would be in G City C I would think I don't have the and then same with December December December let's do the December meeting then you know one thing you a couple of you talk about the insurance and insurance rates and so for and you know build up lands and and and build it you it whether you build up lots with land and put it on the air where you put on stilts it's still going to be the same elevation the same distance you know to to golf uh the homes are going to have to be built to wind code whether you either way you do it's not going to affect affect the insurance cost and um so you know I don't know if that comes in in into a factor and may maybe maybe you can decide hey it's it's unhabitable I mean is that really what's what what with with the climate change so far we going to take our our Coastline just say it's uninhabitable we're not going to build anything because it's going to cost too much to insure it that's that's a good question but you know meanwhile we can't what whatever you do you can't leave it what it is now you got to change it will you go in there and buy all that property up and level it that's fine and councilman Peters but but take care of it councilman Peters I wish that you even the mayor had come to me to talk about this cuz literally I had conversations a long time ago how this could be better to go work together and again when habitat sold let me finish please let me finish please let me finish please when we had those conversations with previous members of your board not you two um tried to get something going nothing worked when habitat ended up selling the property it did change the Dynamics dramatically but again I had no idea these conversations going on with a non-district commissioner as opposed to myself especially haven't spent all the time with the original Habitat to go get those 71 lots to take all those code enforcement uh ridden people to sell their properties which they did and give

it a chance to great great make a great project I have not had a meeting on this I just always excuse me I'm I'm not through talking please I'll give you a chance so with all that said I would love to work with you I think we can do a great project here it's a great location but we can do better than just this and I don't want to spend $2 million of our taxpayer money when I can go will get Federal money or state money that's out there that's in great abundance for septic to sewer conversions and I think of a city in a county in an area that's impoverished go forward we can get a lot of money maybe enough for all the field we need to raise everything up to make it a better place even after it's built and I do agree with you you can raise a house but it's a lot better to have a yard where kids can actually go play an arena event uh you want to continue on first of all I had no meeting with with anybody else so so that I take that I take that offensively you accuse me of something I didn't do so just it's my speaking right now so that never happened and also um the citizens of the of Newport Richie are also taxpayers in the county and we not only are we going to contribute to the two million that you're that you're we're asking from you but they're also going to contribute probably the over two million that we'll be putting in from the city itself too and and I appreciate that because that's the first time that's coming forward in such a big way so it's great but again if I can get other monies specifically for this project I want to use that rather than the taxpayer money we got in place for it commissioner starky I'm just saying I've never had a meeting on Leisure Lane with anybody I just when I'm when I'm with these guys and it Leisure Lane comes up I'm in full support of the agreement that we put in place um to um go work together to clean up to we would be doing the Mi minimal to clean up the enclave and then hand it over to them and let them run with it with all the grants fixing the roads putting in the sidewalk putting in the street lights putting in the park and all those things that they want to do as part of the City of Newport Richie I I don't know why we would have our staff and US spend all this time it's going to cost us more to fix those roads than to get these people than to put put the SE the sewer system down that road so the conversation the statements you made you've said you've had conversations about this agreement you're support of the agreement and you've told them it been support agreement how do you know about this agreement because it's always been that it's it's my understanding this agreement this was approved as part of the FY 23 budget package it was and so honestly this this would have predated but the the the conversation and the direction I would assume of the board at that time was to go forth and do this so we've we've completed that we've brought back this agreement as well as the dollars per per what was directed in the budget so if the board is looking to do something different

then that's the board's prerogative but um I hear everything that's being said we're we're taking notes and we'll follow your direction and um Commissioners the you know it's a situation where you know um our city manager had had worked uh uh quite extensively with your predecessor on this deal and coming together with the with the details and we we did this in in good fate uh some time ago I I don't know I I I don't know exactly why there was delay in this coming before you get the final approval um and I know it was on the send agena today until it was it was pulled off but um you know we're still at the point now where it's it's um important for us to see action happen right away to that property that we're willing to do the work and put more money than we had originally had planned to put into it just to get it off ground zero um uh you know it just it you know we're moving here at the speed of government and we need to uh step it up a little bit well I appreciate you gentlemen coming forward send for any implication I'm trying to pick in conversations is tough with Sunshine Law that we're Bound by you're bound by and I got a administrative predecessor to to Mike that was having conversations and again I told Mike I didn't I didn't like us spending this money month ago two months ago so I was very stunned to see it on consent anyway um so I'm I'm happy to continue it back to December and I really want to work with you I I appreciate both you gentlemen I think you're fine gentlemen great representative of the city and I'm glad you guys have finally making the step forward to really put some big money into this to make this happen and I like to work with you but I need I need till December to go okay then I'll make a motion that we uh move this to the December meeting here in newort regge and that's item C8 and C9 yeah okay eight and N do we have a second I'll second it any further discussion all in favor say I I any opposed okay thank you very much if I could I'd like to bring up r68 confirmation of assistant County Administrator development service of Roy Missour Roy's been waiting all day I don't want to make him wait anymore get used to it I know Roy come on up please all right well thank you for for bringing this up and thank you for being patient with us Mr majer it uh it's it's been a been a long day here so far it's going to be longer this evening I imagine so uh I I guess I'll I'll be I'll be really really brief in my remarks I just want to speak to the to the process of which we hired the asking that you confirm Roy mejor PE as the next assistant administrator for development services uh we uh Mr Mr Maron had to leave but we we appreciate Mr maron's Service as the interm Director the interim ACA over over development services um and we initiated the process immediately after after having Mr uh Maron appointed in that in that in that role um the process we we

conducted a national search uh we had lots of lots of resumés and and lots of interest in in the position we we took those resumés and we boiled it down with with a team of of HR my chief of staff as well as other other key team members to kind of boil down uh the group we settled on a group of about four or five candidates and uh of that group we we ran them through a full day of of panel interviews and those panel interviews included obviously myself it included the executive leadership team which consists of the um the other assistant County administrators uh the directors and and team members that would be working underneath this individual as well as directors within the county that may have interactions but but folks that understand what the culture and the leadership style of of the organization are are about we also had a um had a period where we we pulled together folks from industry across the development industry and we asked for your input in that process as well to bring people from the development community in to provide some input and so all of that input input was gathered and one candidate uh you know emerged and that was uh Mr Mr major uh Mr maor I believe possesses the the right combination of of leadership and Technical experience in the areas that that I feel we need the most assistance in in the development services area uh he has he has a good mixture of of government as well as private sector Technical and Engineering experience and I think that that will that will serve our citizens very very well if I may i' I'd like to ask Mr masjer to say a few words if that's okay with the chair but I'll in a in a moment in a moment in a moment I got I I got I've got to ask a question again Sunshine Law binds us course but I I tell you when I found out that Sally Sherman was leaving I made a call the mic right away and I I tried calling Roy first but I didn't have his number but I I made a call the mic right away saying we need to get Roy back well I'm and I want to know so now you can tell us in open Forum but I know you get some other interest the same way yes of course I mean I mean Mr major was was was was clearly um there was a lot of support for Mr major that that I've seen um and and again I think he again he he rose to the top I feel again that his his experience is kind of what is what sets him apart um and really um in my mind made it made it clear with with the rest of the team commissioner rley well I have something to uh discuss because I um I actually I actually Mr major wasn't my pick and it wasn't me to pick so I'm okay with that and I like Mr major I like David Engel but those two I think very good candidates I just it didn't get out of candidate so I'm okay with that but the problem I have and I'd like an answer from our administrator and if I may send it can I got paperwork give you to look at we submit and file this do we do that when we're County Commissioner I don't know well if you want in the record yes if you want in the record you have do motion and okay I'll make a motion to receive and

file okay second it all in favor say I just pass copy down I and I would like to to ask if uh if the clerk would read it in the record and I've got a bigger copy because the small copies are not good for my eyes thank okay I made it bigger all right Mr chair but I'm very concerned and this is Mr Major's give mik a copy of it this is Mr Major's resignation in March of 2022 when he left the business service department so I'm very concerned that he wrote this in his [Music] resignation and still putting a name in to run for the the position if you'll go ahead and read that then we'll go from there okay Mr chair okay uh from Roy a major sent Friday March 4th 2022 at 1:16 p.m. to Barbara heitsman CC Sally Sherman subject Roy major resignation good morning I am ending my employment with Pasco County effective March 18th 2022 I discuss this item with Sally Sherman on March 3rd I feel my management philosophy and skill sets are outdated and less applicable to the current needs of the County Workforce I lack the desire and motivation required to implement the vision of Pasco of I'm sorry of County Administration while performing the daily task demanded by staff and the client industry given these conditions combined with outside opportunities I feel it is in my best interest for step away from County at this point respectfully Roy meure mejor director of Building Construction Services Administration and so it I mean Barbara hansman had this did Mike did you look at this before you decided to pick Roy Maser as the person take this position I did not read this letter no however I will say that the subject of Mr Roy of of Roy's departure from the county um and his coming back was the subject of probably just about every interview panel that occurred anytime we have a team member that leaves and comes back that that's always uh can be can be either a source of friction it could be a source of of of inspiration depending on how you look at it uh I will say that um Mr Major's responses uh satisfied both myself and the and the various interview panels when when we had those had those discussions and I think Mr major of course if if he'd like to he can he can speak to it but I can tell you there's probably a couple of key differences um in that chain of command that are completely different than they were on March 4th 2022 and maybe that had something to do with it as well well the problem is he said he couldn't do the job and he only had only had four people in that department where he was but now we're going to bring him back and put him over 500 people in that department it I'm just very concerned that that Department's not going to change much and and in our staffing and we've heard this for years the staff always runs what happens with the commission not the County Commissioners it's all the B Team the B team are those people that are be

here before we get elected by our citizens to be here and they're here after we're gone as a B team that continue to run the county and that's been known for years and years that statement has come out that's our citizens all over believe that and at times we can't get things even to move forward through through VCS are permitting and there's issues I've I've seen three of them today come up about permitting issues those aren't going to change if you don't have the right person in in place and that I'm concerned about that other than that I like Mr Engle I like Mr major nothing against either one of those persons so okay I just think it was done wrong well I think you know makes makes I think has done some great hires across the board the people he's bought in place um and I will tell you I don't know how the others and I'm sure a second but literally when Roy left I was very disheartened because I knew Roy was working real hard to get stuff done even even he even got the as builts changed for us before he left even though in his last week or two here it gets done he could have dropped the ball on that he could have let it through but he knew it was a good thing for us to do uh when I see him work so hard and at getting stuff done and and I will tell you after 19 years I've heard of Opel coming in I've heard of this technology coming in aell coming in we're going to change this can change that uh I will tell you when when Todd Bailey and Mark Bellis were running it as an interim I think it was functioning very well um when Sally came in and dropped dropped off Dan did not want to go push to get stuff done he let kind of let everybody do their own thing and I will tell you Sonia Walling who works for me I'm going to say at least half her time is dealing with these permit stuff I've had enough I want to get stuff done I've talked to the business community over and over again they want to see some change in here and I think Roy is the type of guy with a skill set which if you've read his resume he's got tremendous background he's definitely qualified for this every step of the way I think he might have get frustrated with the mindset to implement the vision of the previous County Administration while performing the daily tasks there's no reason if I have a a simp simple situation I think if I sit down with Roy to talk about a simple situation I'd get it when I had Sal Sherman to have to have an issue she'd have 10 people in the room I could talk to Roy about different issues while he was here and we would get the stuff done and get it resolved I think he's the right guy I'm delighted he wanted to come back I'm just part let me just say one of the thing part of what really disturbes me is the fact that this letter was there Barbara hansman was there our HR Director she seen it she's read it why didn't she pass it on on to Mike so there's there's things that are falling through with what we call our leaders and I have very concerned about some of

our leaders we have here they're B Team they're not a team I want we have plenty of a team members I mean plenty but there's a few that are this B team and that's not helping this County move for Mr sty well um that's probably the worst resignation letter I've ever seen I'm gonna say that um but um I had faith and both David and Roy and I helped bring Roy here and create that position and I think he did a great job when he was here I I'm thinking this resignation letter just kind of encompassed his frustration with what he was dealing with and um I I have faith that Roy can do a great job and I I'm willing to move I mean I don't know if you're trying to not move forward I I'm willing to move forward um I'd like to hear Roy and after you're done with his vision and you know um this is an unfortunate thing but um I I think we move on move up keep working on um making our County operate better and better and I like the combination of private experience and public experience he knows what he's getting into because he worked there before and um and I trust my administrator to make his picks and and um and that's our job I think is to let our Administration do their job and we set policy so that's what I'm here to do commissioner waitman thank you chair well I don't really know the history here it was before my time but Mr carbal this is your team that you're building you're at the helm right now and uh when's your agreement up you have another year yes sir so you know I trust you to build a team that you think you see fit that may or may not depending on the future of what your job is here to build the right team to say hey I'm going to continue to work and Lead this County so I'm going to trust you with your choice in your hire and Empower you to to build your team and uh hopefully we see great things come of it so that's my opinion on this okay I'll say I actually had another name I actually threw into the mix as well but and I did not think of David Engel but I think David David Engel is a quite quite a brilliant man uh does a great job I still think that Roy is probably the better pick but Mike I I have nothing to add I about add that uh I I have full confidence that Mr major uh can can do the job that that we have laid out uh we we have a lot of great things going on in our development services group they are dealing with a lot of unprecedented growth we we have areas that we can that we can certainly Shore up areas that have required Shoring up for decades uh but I can assure you that Mr major is going to come in he's got the right attitude I think he possesses the leadership skills to be able to draw people and push them and make them be the best versions of themselves so I have nothing else to add to that other than unless the board would like to hear from Mr major I would but I just want to make one comment to him Mike I think when Sally left you made an awesome pick bringing in Rob Marin um he's focused as he says nothing but on culture the

responses I'm getting now from the staff is have been phenomenal and I think with that same type of culture being pushed forward we're going to see even more and more success so so far so good and I and I like I said I respect every one of your decisions hopefully you brought in so far thank you sir [Music] Roy good afternoon memb of the commission Roy major so um you know initially I like to thank M Mike uh and the group in the interview panels for you know giving me this honor that there's no question that to serve with this group would be probably the absolutely the Apex of my career you know um as commissioner spoke I have a great mix of public private experience and to blend that experience at this time of my career and apply that uh to the benefit of the community is what I want to do um every one of those panels uh asked me right out of the box you know why did you leave everybody wants to know that you know and um you know it it comes really down to the the frustration of the situation you know and the lack of Rapport and relationship that it seemed the leadership of our group had they we didn't have a relationship with other departments with other with other groups in the county and it made it very difficult to collaborate um and tasks were some mind and You' go about your business but we were told not to engage you know kind of with certain groups of the county and and that resignation letter is just um discusses uh my frustration and is absolutely what that was all about you know was that the worst resignation letter ever written uh likely so um likely so but you know I'm kind of an have an old school mentality or an old school demeanor that if I have you know an issue or somebody's got an issue with me you know we we we go and we talk about it and we work through it and when you're not um and when you're really not allowed to do that uh on the terms that you want um it's a very difficult place to work um and then the also also you know part of that resignation letter there were opportunities you know you know and so that's what happened you know it was a very difficult very frustrating place to work um when I found my way around the system a little bit and and collaborated with other parts of the county some good things happened some good things happened um but it was just a very difficult frustrating place to work you know who takes a job for a year I didn't leave the private sector my boss is sitting right there you know one of the top engineering firms in the region they don't leave there to come and work place for one year and then and then take off without extreme cause um and so uh that's that's the situation it was just very very

frustrating and difficult to work through it um and so I left but now in the future and so you know those things I'm sorry I'm I'm I just go forward let's talk and so and so that's where I'm going here you know those things are gone those those impediments are in the past and um I would just share at lunch today uh I had lunch with some staff and there's some good things going on here people you know and I think the group needs a catalyst uh to help bring those ideas together and and work across departments um I know you have you know uh uh some new folk in uh in public works who I I look forward to getting to know and some I know very well and so I think there'd be kind of unprecedented levels of collaboration between development services and Public Works uh on numerous scales and so um I think you know my professional uh and Technical uh ability is is right what the county needs right now I think I have that blend of private public sector experience and I think I'm I I just think this is the right time in my career to to step in and really be that Catalyst to take the county to the next level okay any further discussion do you have a motion Mo approve second any further discussion all in favor say I I many opposed n three to one congratulations Roy we're looking forward to working with you I know you're going to accomplish great things thank you we'll proceed to public hearing starting with ordinances item p71 uh Madam clerk was noticed yes Mr chair we have for item p71 was published in Tampa Times on August 23rd 2023 thank youor all right perfect Justin Grant director of rep public infrastructure fiscal and business administration item p71 is file number piba 2338 one an ordinance amending the local road paving Municipal service taxing unit providing for amended boundaries providing for a levy of adorm tax providing for the amended Municipal services to be funded providing an appeal process providing for separability providing for inclusion the county code and an effective date all right so a quick recap on on where we've come from right we've um been working on this here for quite a while uh the board has seen this item a couple of times and and it's progressed through so back in uh in October of 2022 the board directed staff to establish the mstu as the vehicle to replace PS and so at that point an MS they directed us to draft an MST ordinance and bring back to the board for consideration so then we did that in December of 2022 and ordinance number 22- 64 was adopted then in the spring um of this year after extensive collaboration with property appraiser tax collector County Attorney's Office uh we realized that the methodology that the the mstu was based on which was based off of a road ownership and classification was something that would be very very difficult to ultimately Implement so we realized at that point that a shift in

methodology was needed and so now we are here to present that updated methodology um and that amendment is here before the board for consideration before I get into some of the main points that we revised in the ordinance I want to define a term that you're going to see here on some coming slides it's called Active Pest and while we're not really here to talk a whole a lot about um P today we're really talking about its replacement this is important as we have as a provision in this ordinance and so active pasas is defined as any parcel that's contained within a p project that Stills with within its amortization schedule we have two different types of buildings that go on there's taxr Billings that transitioned right around 2016 and then we have what we call anniversary Billings that are separate annual Billings that happen outside of the tax roll most of that is projects that predate 2016 this includes Parcels that would have prepaid assessments and so it's important to note that provision in P offers 33 days from when they initially get their P that they can pay off their assessment not receive on their tax bill interest free and so when we do these things and we go through an amortization schedule a resident that prepays an assessment does not get an annual Bill all right so here's the notable ordinance modifications so the mstu will include all unincorporated areas of Pasco County excluding The Following part that are uh currently or in the future subject to an active P assessment which is the definition we just reviewed or partials that are within a HOA that maintains his private roads or Parcels within a CDD that does the same there's other modifications here um this also designs an appeals process for HOAs and cdds that can request their exclusion so I'll take a minute and talk a little bit about that component County staff has been working very hard to review development records things that have been approved throughout that and corresponding with a number of different agencies across the county mostly with cdds and making efforts with HOAs as well so as a part of that we recognize that we may not be able to capture everything through that process and so we want to provide an official process that if ultimately we have an exclusion list that's an exhibit in this ordinance uh that shows which ones that we've identified and through communication with them and records that are on file that they've been excluded right now or intended to be excluded from the mstu because they perform these functions on their own we recognize that we may not capture some entities that would meet those definitions that are currently doing that so we want to provide an appeals process for those areas to come forward and let us know and meet a certain number of tests and provide documentation that they had the legal abilities to do that and so there go that's what we're defining as the appeals process that'll kick off here uh we intend to come back to the board here

in the next month or two to provide that official process to then be put in place and then provide for a number of months before we enter next summer uh as we get close Clos to the budget process for those entities to come forward and so the last modification that's of note here uh is this will also give consideration to something that this board has asked a number of times throughout the pvas program which is trying to address uh sidewalk Rehabilitation this is a draft map of the areas that are currently identified as excluded and so we've got all four municipalities in there um right now there is a listing and you see there in the bottom right corner of this slide identifies about 41 of the 69 cdds that we have on record that we've ID identify that meet the test to be excluded that handle these things on their own there's 13 cdds that County staff is currently researching and working back and forth on records to determine if they would meet the test for exclusion and then uh finally there is one HOA that is also currently excluded and so to give you also an update uh from when we talked uh back in December uh this board uh we called this internally the stoplight slide it used to have three uh four stop lights on it now it's got two and so it gives you a picture of the 24 four projects that were um in process with PS that received the go-ahead from this board to continue moving forward and so this gives you a brief update here that uh there's five of those that were completed and are going to be placed on the 23 tax bill that is going out here shortly then there's another 11 projects that'll land on next year's tax bill and there's another eight projects that fall on those bottom two stoplights that are in process all right so where do we go from here so here in the fall which is what we're doing uh right now and coming forward here before the end of the calendar year we'll finalize that CDD Anda appeals process that I talked about and begin a formal Communications plan out to all those entities so they have the chance to reach out to the county and engage with us then in Spring uh we will begin an avor rate discussion this is where we kind of talk about before this will be when we really get into the minutia of the mstu right this board will get to have be presented with all sorts of information and then you can start setting the direction on what Levy of you know what level of tax and what level of Billings you'd like to do and what resulting Paving and things like that we would aim to accomplish in the next fiscal year then in July it'll enter enter into the budget process in uh concurrent with the trim September it'll finalize right so a year from now right when you're doing your final budget hearing this would be a part of that all right we go okay so the recommended action is to accept public comment and adopt the proposed ordinance and then direct board records to transmit that ordinance up to the state um for their record um Mr Mr chairman um I'm really

glad that we're switching from the old system to the new um however I just want to discuss one item that I think I've been consistent on as we talked about this and that is I I think it's not either or but there's a small area where there's a blend um and my thought and I don't know I know that this is complicated and there won't always be there's going to be winners and losers in this because if you just if you just paid for your peas thousands and thousands of dollars um and now you're going to switch to the new you're wondering um and you're and this next street over gets done in the new system and they didn't have to pay thousands and thousands of dollars not going to be such a great feeling so because of that I've always thought we should have some kind of transition blend U area and it and and I'm just going to throw out a suggestion here um and it's not the best for everybody but it's a thought that if you if you have finished paying your pvas um you get a 2-year reprieve and I'm just picking two years randomly before you start paying into the new system because I just think there needs to be a little something there to make it fair that's my thought and I I'll go along with that I think you should go further than that though because if you've paid for a road let's say your your assessment just came out last year you paid it that Road's going to last 10 15 years I think you could even say maybe it should be like seven or eight years or even 10 years well I think that cripples the system so that's why I think there needs to be a blend in there okay a little you know I'm flexible with the number but there should be something I agree with you yeah commission waitman thank you chair uh thank you for finally finally getting there on this one uh one of the last few times we spoke we ended up working with Ranford you know the sidewalk adding the sidewalk component I hope we all agree for going going down and building these roads we we include a sidewalk component uh which kind of goes into commissioner starky's point of who maintains build sidewalks Etc you know so I I really want to get make sure and ensure sidewalks the sidewalkers components in there but to the chairman and commissioner starky's starky's comments I kind of think a little differently in the fact that everybody's driving on more than just the road that they paid to pave and everybody's going other places so everybody's driving on everybody's Road businesses driving on the road you paid for you're driving on the road somebody else paid for ETC so I don't I appreciate the comments of the the the chair and Commissioners starky and I appreciate where their where where their mind is but just overall big picture everybody's everybody's driving on on all the roads all over the place so I don't know I don't that's just a

comment uh and I just share that so thank you commission o yeah I see the um the the change over when someone's just paid for their P which is a lot of money and they might have 10 years to pay on it well they go through all that paying on it you can't charge them until they're after they're paying on so I would think you would probably do at least up to five years giving them a reprieve from paying on it and then after that five years they fall in the system just like everybody else does that change the numbers if we do something like that so yeah one of the things that we we certainly spent a ton of time contemplating right and and there are two issues that kind of have to run parallel which is hey how do you ramp up your replacement which is the local Ro Paving mstu which is what we're talking about today and then how do you wind down the other one right the prepaid component is one that is really really difficult right you have a lot of folks that have prepaid those things have never paid interest on them and so the active pbass definition after I can probably tell you there was 10 plus different solutions that staff bantered around back and forth and tried to find the one that was the most equ Equitable across the landscape and so that's the one we we've recommended but what we've also talked about doing internally is as a part of PS kind of winding down is expanding some of the maintenance components that are not currently part of PS one of the big drawbacks that we talked about I think it was back in the October hearing of last year is that PS is kind of this oneandone situation right it's a hey great come in we're going to pave your road we're going to assess you for a period of time you're going to agree to that assessment and interest rate and what have you but there's not there's not continued maintenance that's happening on those roads and so you can have them Boomerang back around back into the system that roads that were peash years ago come back in the intention of the Pasco County team here on this component is especially for the ones that are still in active and projects that are here is to start applying maintenance on those projects right so especially with your 24 you start doing things and Public Works has talked about some different maintenance prescriptions that they have in in their system that at three years there are activities that are done at eight years there are activities that are done to keep the roads score up with the ultimate goal that when we transition projects that are in active PS as you see them today as they transition into the mstu that they wouldn't be a negative draw on the average Road score for all of our local roads that are coming into the system so that we don't have a situation where those folks are paying into their PS and then ultimately they're in a backlog right for a number of years with the mstu that they don't get maintenance set on and so that's that's where we're trying to mitigate some of those things that you were referring to does that is

your question sir yes thank you um Mr St how does the sidewalk component of this work I'm confused on that one sure so so the intention with the sidewalk component is to build that into the mstu that when you know currently right now when we do p projects right there is not consideration for sidewalks right the main intention is hey the road is degraded it's not it's not of adequate shape that we need to go in and repair the road and so now it was hey let's expand the scope that when we were looking at redoing roads and rehabbing Roads that hey and this is not on as needed basis but what you're going in and you're doing an entire neighborhood right so in the local Road system we would also evaluate the sidewalks and and see if there's an improvement that needs to be done in the sidewalks that are in that area um and make that part of the project so okay so you're going to take over the sidewalks that we now leave to the citizens when you have a road project adjacent to it so I'll defer to the county attorney to Define when ownership takes place but I can tell you from our maintenance plan is that we wouldn't want touch those sidewalks until we do a full rehab program in a given area that's what I so I'll defer back to the county ter yeah you will you want to be very careful about which sidewalks you decide to bring into the county system at this point I mean for years Pasco County has taken the position that they don't maintain sidewalks right um but it that's also a pain point for the board of County Commissioners as both the administrator and I know um and so I think the theory was that this would create a source of funding that if a sidewalk was either identified during a local Road Project or was one that would continue to come up and you'd get pictures of it it there were you know there were injuries um and it was of a level that the county wanted to take it over this would provide a source of funding to bring those sidewalks into the system knowing that once you bring them into the system they are once you touched them they're yours yeah assuming they're in public right of way as for uh safety reasons basically yeah yeah health safety okay but but we won't do sidewalks separately from a road system that is not our intention no ma'am so slowly we're going to it's going to take decades but slowly we're going to get all the sidewalks yes depending on the funny like those Trails the mini Trails long as you don't take out the trees I'd like to move approval okay have a second I will second well I don't know I still think we need a transition But but so what we're going to say the transition is just maintenance so there's no transition County attorney says we have to fix it here if we want anything like that by approving I interpreted this as us

moving forward which I think we're all in agreement hey this is a great step forward then the next step in the process would be to you come back and talk about the other my board members concerns and then finalize no sir no you're adopting an ordinance today so if you want to address the issue of having that period of [Music] time that Safe Harbor period it would have to be in the adoption of this ordinance it would because you're going to be adopting millage from here on out so follow up to that then if we want to get this this ordinance potentially going active from zero to active next year during next budget cycle do we have to have a decision today or can we we have till the end of the year you have till the end of the calendar year for any changes we make to the ordinance right and I again i' I'd be willing to wait withdraw my motion then whatever what makes whatever makes this board comfortable with my second whatever makes his board comfortable with to move forward I'm I'm willing to hang on for and just to go on to commissioner Oakley and commissioner starky's kind of like compromised positions you know when someone gets a PS it could be 15 years it could be 10 years either way they're paying all the way through and frankly well part of the initial conversation was anybody paying period wouldn't wouldn't have to pay as a longer period of time they're probably paying less than what the normal breakout would be to when we may come back to it so I'm okay with a compromise position at five if you want to stick with five well but is that part got at two the current current ordinance if they are under if they are paying assessments they will not be paying into the mstu right right but someone who someone who had an assessment that paid it is the people we're talking about and that's where I say you know your neighbor could be paying it for 10 years 15 years and not paying into this and the guy who just stroke the check because he didn't want to do it they're exempt as well we are only talking about the folks who have paid and finished that the project has finished giving them an additional period of time that they wouldn't be subject to the mstu so commissioner if I can I'm talking about directly so when we go back to the definition of Active Pest and I'll try and get back to that slide so Active Pest we talk about the amortization schedule that is so on a 10-year assessment for example right that billing period that amortization would be 10 years if you have a couple of residents that choose to use that 33-day grace period to say hey I don't want to pay interest I'd like to pay this off right in the front end they pay that off now through PS they do not receive any future Billings under that program if we transition into the mstu as long as that project is still active under its amortization you still have other Parcels in that project that same resident that prepaid still runs and

does not does not need to pay any other Bill including the mstu until that project finishes its amortization schedule because I was wondering how my idea would work under that scenario and so here's how I think it works under that scenario because either the person who strug to check for the whole thing because they didn't want to pay interest or the person who is taking our loan for 10 years when that project is done there's a finite day when it's done and then in my opinion that street doesn't get build for two years that's the way to do it no matter if they stroke the check after the 10e payout whenever the project um uh whenever the project is done being paid for um and finishes in our system I think they get a two-year amnesty i' just leave that two years I don't want to the program but I want to give them something let me just think about this what if it's a 15year payout it it doesn't matter the payout well here's why it does because the 15-year person get a bigger break than the guys with the 10 no it's the same it's two years after the Project's done no matter I know but but but the road's only going to last so long whether it be a 10year payout or a 15E payout so it doesn't matter and frankly knowing that all those people are covered for 10 years is pretty good um I don't I I don't want to see someone who's got the 15 year to go to 17 so I don't see how you separate that so frankly I'm I'm I'm even saying I'm even thinking right now just let everybody start paying when the thing is due so under after 10 years if I understand your commentary correctly right under the way we designed we're not talking about the same thing okay yeah um so the intention right now is like we talked about right as as the P amortization schedule's finished right is to build in some maintenance components right start addressing some of those things so there not a negative draw right we this is part of why we're designing the entire program for local road paving because there's a bunch of roads in the county that have very poor conditions right need attention right and there hasn't been a better vehicle to do that and so if we're starting to do maintenance on those P bass roads and then they transition immediately right which is the way our financial models currently have it happening they'll begin to receive maintenance right so on that 10year assessment when they finish their P year 11 when they transition into the mstu right they'll be part of the maintenance Network so they'll be part part of the Public Works system that'll be constantly evaluating uh those roads and receiving maintenance if I understand your your idea here correctly are you proposing that we exclude those Parcels from the mstu holistically for two years to where they wouldn't be charged and they also wouldn't receive any maintenance I would still leave them on the maintenance um I mean they haven't paid any M but let me ask you something finan financially that creates

a challenge as the so let me I don't recall at least in my district pvas is going out 15 years so what is your average pvas isn't it five years 10 years 10 Max 10 most common the most common is actually 10 right and so I don't have the average age I don't want to quote a number and say out of all of our active projects what the ACT actual age I believe it's just shy of 10 years I think it's somewhere between eight and nine years you have three different terms that the board has typically selected which has been 5 10 or 15 years and so some of those ones that we we talked about back on the anniversary Billings that in 2016 and it wasn't a super clean transition right so 2016 most of the projects that be that came to the board in 2016 or after all went on the tax bill depending on when they were presented and approved by the board some of those still went anniversary right which means that they receive a separate bill directly from the county not on their tax bill some of those it seems based on the records that we look at it's more common that there was 15 there was longer terms used at that time and so in the last five to six years years this board has typically only approved five and 10 year PES right yeah commissioner Oley the problem with the old system the P system like a lot of that was done in Luchi which is a poor market area where people can't afford to pay the their p and and those things because they're not and you know they may have been given 10 years to pay it off interest free or with interest the fact of it is they can't pay it at all they so it's still on their property in Luchi area those fees are still on property when they should have used a grant to do that in a poor area of the county a grant would have paid for it and they didn't have any responsibility it wouldn't gone on their property that's what's wrong with the pbass system on a poor neighborhood there's a lot of things wrong with the PST and that's you know that's a burden so those there's still that up there so yeah commissioner you make a good point based on the way we're designing mstu this would become an annual tax right and so one of the big components especially when you look at some of those lower income neighborhoods right was the lean portion of the p right so when that project was put on there a lean's put on the on the on the parcel right and so they are trying to satisfy that loan back to the county and so that that's one of the other things that we tried to address here with the mstu and this board made the decision to direct staff to create that that it will now be an annual tax that pays in and the board will decide what level uh of funding right which will ultimately be what level the residents pay in and what is produced by the system but it doesn't produce a lean on the individual Parcels that now benefit from the system right no if you don't pay your mstu it's a link if you don't pay your tax bill holistically right got a problem yeah that tax oh it's a tax sale it's worse there's a

process so commission oy I made the motion I didn't put a relief in there but I guess if we're going to do a p and I'm just going to use 10 years if we're going to do that and if people pay out in 10 years they should have a two or threee CH relief from having to pay hopefully they pay at the end of the 10 years so um then they would start on mstu after that two or three years and just continue and then they they'd pay into the system just like everybody else so what number do you want it to be two or three I think three cuz we talked about five we talked about 10 we talked about two I just think three so okay that's motion that before before you go to motion so Joe Justin check me on this if you add to the definition of active PS assessment means a non-ad valorum assessment for the purposes of local road paving and maintenance appearing on the tax bills of the benefited property and for three years thereafter or Parcels receiving a separate annual Bill billing would that in fact do what the board is asking them to do so I think the point of clarification I would respectfully ask of the board is is the board intending to solely provide rate relief as a transition period for those Parcels or are you or are you also seeking to exclude them from receiving any from participating in the mstu at all when they finish well they're active P it would so you're saying this be easier for you to to treat them as if they're an active peas okay correct for that period of time and three years okay yeah they're not getting maintenance they're not getting anything to try and move them kind of into the system um if that's I'm not advocating for it but that's I think I'm counting enough votes that keep it simple understood that that's what the board is looking for and I think if you modify the definition of active PS assessment it gets the board to where they are and it's the simplest way to implement it I think that that works I would just move that Clause till after the after the succeeding Clause so it captures the annual billing also or for Parcels receiving a separate annual billing assessment well I I deliberately didn't do that because they've been out of the system they never have had um bills on their tax bill the separate annual ones have never had never had bills on the tax bill and the last one we did of those was in 16 so I believe I would one 17 afterwards in that in that General range so your 15year periods 10 15 year ones that would have gone through anniversary billing somewhere the board can correct me but those aren't the modern assessments that the board has levied

against these folks these are ones that we were sending bills out they never went on a tax bill I'm talking about any P bass but I don't think we should do three years I think two is plenty and here's why okay some of these are large some people are paying a couple thousand a year but some of them aren't that large and and you know I've heard the numbers of what this assessment might be about you depending on what we decide $150 $200 a year you start letting people off 600 on maybe what was a maybe that was the total cost of their pvas or I mean I think we I think we're doing a good job for our citizens to sticking that too and C because we don't want to harm the ability for them to um come in and fix the roads so just give a little bone not a whole stake that's my suggestion to anyone who's in the pack system they get a twoe well I understand that and I'll amend my motion again to uh move that back to two years and then other words if they were on a finance deal they pay out in 10 years it'll be 12 years instead of 10 just two years on top of that like well two years of nothing yeah two years of empty empty PBS space and and I'd like to clarify my maintenance statements you know Public Works does go out and fill potholes and do that when we're talking the maintenance we're talking like the they still need to do the PO well no that that yes that that's kind of a base level of service we're talking more of these enhanced surfaces micros surfacing these other these other none of that this is just a little that helps some of people in a transition okay I have a motion with the two years and commissioner Starker we have a second second any further discussion all in favor say roll call it is roll is it roll call so the qu I guess the question still made is there is does the board want it to be on the ones that PS is sending bills out to not those are the people who would were given the two-year so well what I'm suggesting is that the the your your modern active peases are those which are appearing on the tax bills now now right there are a a series of historic ones that they're physically mailing bills out and may or may not ever collect on right and I I didn't know whether frankly those I don't think that you should be providing the relief to no I agree we don't provide a relief to those that haven't been able to pay pay their bill because of yeah yeah yeah great no money or whatever so so I'll support I don't know how you word that so absolutely U County attorney makes a fantastic Point we've had detailed discussions about that that the billing and collections for what we refer to here on this second sub bullet and the slide before you separate annual pvest Billings what we call anniversary Billings those are the ones that happened outside the tax bill because of that it costs us far more for the county

to collect on those pursue those and deal with those than it does the ones that and write ta process right and so exactly so the condition of of a relief Clause as as it be the cleanest way to separate it would would sounds like what the County Attorney is suggesting is by the definition the billing type right so whether it's on the tax bill or if it's on anniversary billing we have very clear records that distinguish which one is in right okay clerk clerk's office comfortable um I am um however Mr chair did you call for public comment I have not good point good point all anyone here from the public like to speak to p71 anybody on line there's no one on line for this item and I do have um a question if you will Mr chair I have someone who did sign up um they didn't put the agenda item so if we call up every agenda item we going have check on them if do you mind if they tell us which item they're on it's Daniel um chazelle or s sisle maybe Daniel sisle if you're in the audience do you know what item okay we're going to probably have to ask every time okay all right then there is no one signed up for for a public comment on this item Hallelujah okay call the rooll district one commissioner Oakley hi District Two commissioner waitman hi District three commissioner starky hi District Four commissioner I'm sorry District Five commission I'm sorry chairman Mariano hi motion passes for r thank you that's a big step next item p72 item p72 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on August 9th 2023 and by affidavits of certified mailings and site postings good afternoon uh commissioner Mr chairman uh item p72 is PDD 2394 it's an ordinance amending the Pasco County comprehensive plan providing for a small scale comprehensive plan Amendment to the Future land use M map 2-15 and sheet number 11 from resed 6 residential 6 Dell un per gross ACR to Comm commercial on approximately 3.39 Acres of real property located on the West Side of Moon Lake Road uh 2 miles south of St Ro 52 and providing for additional taxt amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for repealer suril and effective date uh this comes to the board of County Commissioners with a recommendation of approval from the local planning agency okay any questions for staff we have a presentation I don't know if we need a presentation do we have the live local provision in this the deed restriction I believe I saw it in the memo yeah it's a standard provision these days they've agreed to it but it would be at time of zoning that's correct but I know it's standard I'm just trust but verifying since this is still kind of new yeah it's it'll be there the applicant is here to as well if it's in there I'm fine

chair all right any other questions for staff does the applicant want to speak to commissioner Whitman's item question please come to the mic so we can hear you okay hi Nancy mcus 10919 Moon Lake Road um questions for me if it's about the deed restriction voluntary thing not a problem at the time of resoning perfect okay any other questions okay thank you ma'am okay anyone else from the audience like to speak to item p72 anyone on WebEx no one is on WebEx and then Daniel sisle to the board I'll move approval Mr sty yep second okay roll call vote district one commissioner Oakley District Two commissioner waitman yay I District three commissioner starky yay District Four commissioner Bradford and District Five chairman Mariano hi and commission Ole's here we just passed item p72 uh uh item p72 Apartments all over date City need been apartment there's item p72 that went from residential to commercial with the provisions of not doing live local okay okay all right all right motion passes 40 item p73 you have proof yes Mr chair item p73 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on July 2nd 2023 and by affidavits of certified mailings and site postings thank you Mr chairman item p73 is PDD 23238 it's an ordinance amending the Pasco County comprehensive plan providing for a large scale comprehensive plan Amendment to the Future land map map 2-5 and Sheet five from ilil industrial Light o office res 12 residential 12 dwell dwelling units per gross acre con conservation lands and res 3 residential 3 dwelling units per gross acre to PD plan development and con conservation lenss on approximately 55746 Acres located on the West and East side of Shady Hills Road approximately 1.15 miles north of State 52 and a text Amendment creating sub area policy flu 7174 Greenfield Del Web River Reserve PD and a map Amendment to the Future land use map map 2-9 adding sub area map 2- 974 Greenfield Del Web River Reserve PD and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for interal consistency providing for repealer cability and an effective date and this comes uh to the board of County Commissioners with a recommendation of approval now if the board may recall we had a presentation this last time uh there was a couple of things we wanted to address um those things will be addressed in the zoning Amendment coming up I'm actually going to pull just going to have one little additional change that's on consent now but uh they've addressed everything in the land use even before I didn't have a problem with the land use but to do them at the same time does Bo want a presentation no we're good okay this a good project thank you do the applicant

want to speak okay okay uh is there anyone here on the from the public to comment on item p73 including Miss Mr chisel yeah sisle sisle maybe Daniel sisle okay okay anyone on WebEx uh no chair Mr chair no one's on WebEx all right we'll close public comment to the board move approval second roll call vote district one commissioner Oakley I District Two commissioner waitman I District three commissioner starky I District Four commissioner Bradford District Five chairman Mariano hi so public hearings um we proceed with it and the county attorney will read procedures including explanation of flow it's a new term including explanation flow okay um there are two two resoning agendas regular and consent staff will present each application to the board of County Commissioners if staff or Planning Commission has recommended approval and there is no opposition the application will be considered by the board without further presentation if staff or Planning Commission has recommended denial or if there is opposition to the application the applicant will be given five minutes for presentation the opposition will be given three minutes for each indiv individual or five minutes for a group representative and the applicant will be given three minutes for rebuttal any individual disagreeing with staff or Planning Commission recommendation or anyone wishing to object to any condition of the rezoning May at this time request that the petition be pulled from the consent agenda in which case that application will be heard under the regular agenda later on during the meeting otherwise all resoning applications on the consent agenda will be approved by a single motion and vote if you wish to speak to any petition please give your name and address and whether or not you've been sworn for the record these are Quasi judicial public hearings the law in Florida is that mere public support or opposition of an application is insufficient for this board to take action please limit your comments to those criteria found within the board's Land Development code Adam clerk would you like to swear the public in please yes Mr County attorney if you are here to speak on any of the items this afternoon please stand thank you raise your right hands do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth so help you God thank you okay Denise so we'll start with h p74 okay I'll do the publication okay item p74 was published in Tampa Times on November 29th 2019 p74 is PDD 2305 529 it's a conditional use that's been withdrawn under the name of hajka and merad kevich and uh it's withdrawn from consideration no further action is required so I don't need to make a

motion to have that's correct okay okay p75 item p75 was published in Tampa Times on December 22nd 2021 p75 is PDD 23 7581 it was zoning Amendment under the name of DCH West LLC uh this item has been withdrawn from consideration no further action is required okay p76 we approve item p76 was published in Tampa Times on July 5th 2023 p76 is PDD 23261 zoning Amendment Greenfield Place West LLP Greenfield Place West rezoning for change in zoning from AC to i1 um the item has been the request is to continue the item to the October 24th 2023 Board of County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 in Newport Richie okay no motion to continue motion to continue to October 24th Motion in second all in favor say I I I okay got a little break okay item p77 item p77 was let's see p77 is a compliance item okay did not require publication did not require publication yes so this is uh in compliance with Senate Bill 102 and state statute 125 3791 for the live local act it requires the county uh and the board of County Commissioners to approve a list of lands that the county holds be simple that may be appropriate for affordable housing and so we have produced that list of 27 properties that is attached atted and this list then will be published on the County website and will be uh able to be modified by the County administrator or design going forward um and then will be brought to the board every three years per state statute okay any comments any questions I don't like it don't like it the rules the rules any further discussion watch this public hearing any public hear to speak to this item p77 Mr chair I I don't have anyone signed up specifically for this item but um I'm going to call out again Daniel sisle okay and I have no one signed up for WebEx on this item okay anyone else from the public in the audience would like to speak seeing no one Clos public comment to the board move approval have a second have a second over here Mr sty because assess not going to do it we have a motion in a second all in favor say I carry the weight I I any opposed opposed okay motion carries 31 and item p78 item p78 was published in Tampa Times on August 9th 2023 p78 p78 is PDD 23 7644 it's a zoning Amendment the name of Legends Point phase 3 mpud Master Plan unit development KB Holmes it's for a reason owning request from C3 commercial light manufacturing R4 high density residential and AC agricultural District to an mpud master plan unit development District to allow for the maximum development of 275 single family dwelling units comes here with a recommendation of approval with conditions from the planning and development department and the Planning

Commission who heard the item on August 28 24th 2023 okay I am going to pull this item uh it's going to be a friendly pull we already talked to the applicant p79 yeah p78 I'm pulling that and then p79 item p79 was published in the Tampa Times on July 5th 2023 and by Affidavit of certified mailings and site postings p79 is PDD 23766 2 Greenfield Del Web Reserve mpud Parkway Hills LLC it's for a resoning from mpud Master Planning and Development District to mpud master plan unit development District to allow for the development of 21,600 Ft of office 32 sare ft of commercial retail 160,000 ft of light industrial 171 Town Homes platted 304 multif Family Apartments and 730 age restricted single family detached and attached units on approximately 55746 Acres comes to comes to with a recommendation of approval with conditions as included in your agenda packet from the planning and development department and the Planning Commission uh this item does have the deed restriction its condition of approval number 770 that talks about reserving um uses for commercial light industrial and mix use okay and I'm going to pull that item as well okay p80 item p80 was published in Tamp Bay Times on August 9th 2023 p8 is PDD 23771 it's a zoning Amendment dignity F Funeral Services Inc Mickel and Lundquist it's for a change in zoning from an mf1 multiple family medium density district and C2 General commercial District to a C2 General commercial district with a voluntarily agreed upon deed restriction uh reserving the uses for General commercial uh comes here with a recommendation of approval from the planning and development department and the Planning Commission who heard the item on August 24th 2023 okay is anyone here to speak in opposition to p80 I I just have a quick question for Denise sure um does this trigger uh some of the code um updates like landscaping and others um so the their request is to actually expand uh the funeral home so it would trigger a site modification of the site plan okay yeah okay so anyone in the audience to Mr chair I have no one signed up for that specific item so I'm going to call out again Daniel sisle okay and no one's on WebEx for this item okay we're going to close close public comment and we'll leave on to consent agenda um so we have a motion to approve the consent agenda so move second all in favor say I I I okay so item p78 we're going to bring it back good afternoon William ver Millian Planning and Development this is the Legends point phase three mud item p78 I've just got one item so SP you the presentation item uh condition number 33 it talked about giving a traditional neighborhood design rate in the County's Mobility fee schedule um those of you know that we've had a lot of concern in the Shady Hills area as far as residential growth coming in here not

have an infrastructure in place I don't want to see this property and uh already talked to the applicant which he'll address but I don't want to see anything different from a regular Mobility fee schedule whatever it would be that they pay that normal fee and I didn't speak to Mr Harvey but I did Clark hobby hob hobby PA 109 North breast Street Tampa Florida have been sworn I have no problem striking the second sentence in that condition commissioner Mariano because we're not going to have any alley loaded product on this development anyway well shame on you next time okay the incentive incentive to help them well but I I apply to this one that's all I'm saying I'm I'm just going to tell you with with we just approved conand Road into local agreement today we're going to need that infrastructure the next development is going to talk about what they're going to go do so it's a necessary step to make sure we have those fees in place so I appreciate it thank you so with that I'm okay with moving forward with the dele of that item someone want to make a motion to that effect um I make Mo to to what's the it would be the motion would be to approve the project with the amendment to um condition 33 33 uh motion uh based on County attorney statement second and all in favor say I I I any opposed motion passes now item p79 item oh I already said that never mind I already gave it yes you did right so pleas it from staff good afternoon Amy tol with Planning and Development I'll go ahead and move forward with the item before you uh are we looking for a presentation as well on this one no I just wanted to get a clarification I believe I read in here of something about getting a reduction in Mobility fees I talked to the applicant for there willing to pay the normal Mobility fees so um I'll have them come up and yeah talk to that but I'm okay with anyone any else need a presentation okay no they have products or great products yeah Barbera will height 6327 Grand Boulevard Newport Richie for the applicant um the conditions that we would revise would be condition 51 and 54 currently those make uh the project uh um have to do mutum on the west side and so we would if it was the board's pleasure we would revise 51 in 54 to remove the requirement to do mutum okay understand we understand the district commissioner's concerns about infrastructure um so we understand the request okay very good and I think if if the people finded we passes with them not paying the fees to go get the infrastructure in place would be a bad faith on our part so someone to speak to this uh is anyone here to speak to this item p79 anyone WebEx so there's no one on WebEx but I'll do a call out again for

Daniel sisle nope comment move approve with the noted conditions yes with noted conditions all in favor say I I I hang on did you want to say something well uh thank you Mr chairman just just for the the sake of history and so the and for clarification the uh request to for the mobility fees is to remove the mum from the from the application the reason why I'm asking is because this this project has uh already approvals on the books in which modum was required uh throughout the entire project and the area that mam was applied to was uh greatly reduced in this update here and so uh I don't think that there would be an issue with uh removing the mobility fee incentive in order to use those Mobility fees uh locally but I just wanted a clarification that removing mum also means removing the design aspect of of of that part of the Land Development code well what does that mean so and my my objective was to get full impact fees paid uh especially when you get compromis on mum anyway but frankly this area here to get this project come forward should pay the full Mobility fees if you want to keep muttering I'm I'm good with that but so mum is an incentified land use right it costs money to do a mut room project and that's why the county incentivized it by lowering the mobility fees to say we have to do mum but then we don't get the lower Mobility fee wouldn't be fair or reasonable so we're okay with not doing MIM um and developing our Western Development Area we're fine with doing that taking out the requirement to do MIM but to say we got to do mutum but then we can't have the fee incentive would be a burden on this project what would that mean you're taking out we're taking out the requirement to do mud room no and what what does that mean take that you would not be doing that you would have been doing mut room has a whole list of things compact Development Area street block sizes I mean there's a whole list of things you have to do parking requirements I I think you better watch what you're walking into wa to the chair's Point what he's doing I appreciate what the recommendation is this growth needs to pay for itself otherwise they keep getting breaks we're going to keep having ask people have lived here for a long time to pay for these new people to come in so it's I appreciate what he's trying to do and that's that's what we're that's the objective here so how these two are married together Terry uh we got to clean that up I guess somehow that's possible I don't I don't know this is a new one this is probably a question that David is better apt to answer than I am but this is mixed use trip reduction methodology it would seem that if you require m room you will have less trips on the roads and that's what this

area wants whether or not they're paying a lower fee the idea is to get the is not to impact them as much so I would think you would want the Mutan project to stay in but David is really the expert in so you you've generally stated it correctly yes if they're doing mutum they putting less trips they're capturing more trips internally through and they're taking more more trips or traveling through walking biking Etc less cars on the road if you're doing M room let's let's talk to you know what I think we need a more detailed presentation because an engineer can tell you it's going to be less trips but will it really be we currently have nothing there now and you're adding something so it's kind of a conundrum did you tell about one form of development from the the project is generating more trips there's no question that the project is generating trips that's why we assessability fees to the project but if you're comparing a standard non- mutum project to a MIM project the MIM is generally going to generate less vehicle miles on the road because it's going to have have more walkability more ability to have commercial uses next to the residential so you can walk to the grocery store as opposed to getting in your car and driving to the grocery store it's mixed use trip production measures for a reason it's we should have that anyway it's reducing trips on the external network and not this I'm not saying the board has to have that you could have standard development no and it's going to generate more trips okay and again back to the reason I wanted to talk this through and I'm glad we having it and Terry you can talk about the things that they're not doing that's M related um so we'll have to have have more presentation what things will be taken out because literally with all that's going on up in this area between residential commercial even the apartments are not going to come in for three years down the road until the sidewalks built to con conine Road this infrastructure is an issue out there it's it's a great thing that's happening we're creating a lot of jobs out there a lot of opportunities but at the same time we need to have the money in for infrastructure so Terry if you could talk about the reductions that's already been made for mutam we'll just wait a second for the presentation to PO up so Barber I'll give I'll give you a chance to come back up but I want to hear what reduction from M room's already been done okay so I won't run through the whole presentation um in short the purpose is to allow for mixed use development of 71 Town Homes 304 multif Family Apartments 73 a restricted single family detached and attached units and 21,600 ft of office with 160,000 ft of industrial and 32,000 ft of commercial retail that's where it's located in the county um this is the general areial of

the area with the zoning and the future land use which was on earlier on the agenda which cleaned all that up to PD uh and so in this map we're going to reorient ourselves and look to the left as being north um so I'm going to turn the presentation over really quick to Amy to illustrate what was previously what's currently in the comprehensive plan or what was previously in the comprehensive plan in terms of development and where mam was targeted previously and how that's been reduced good afternoon Amy tol Planning and Development so um just for a perspective uh and the actual approved mom plan is going to be in the comprehensive plan PowerPoint um but however there's actually an approved mutum plan on this entire site um that was approved in 2015 and so it's still fairly new given the environment that we're in uh so what you'll see here is is the mutum component which would present it would be like musroom is around this area this area this area and this area so what's being proposed now is just maintaining that mutum component in this pink area so that's where we went through the levels of negotiation to ensure that we still kind of retain that uh trip reduction generation methodology ensure that we can maintain the capacity on Shady Hills Road and still allow for the proposed type of devel development to occur as well so specifically what's different different is so the pink area is what's being proposed now the mutum was if we can go to the actual I'm kind of what do the measures that are taken are are happening that will happen with mutum as opposed to not happening without mutum gotcha so in the actual we don't have like th that level of detail in the comence or in the conditions of approval as is the conditions of approval just say the much shall be located in this general area as depicted however there is already An approved mutum plan so there's a level of capacity and to add what add what Amy is referring to um the mud plan itself is going to be developed at the site plan uh stage of review and what it's going to include is specific types of block sizes a mix of uses it's going to um influence the placement of buildings and the frequency of those buildings in the Urban Design of the area that uh that's going to be built um not having mutum would mean your more typical Suburban layout with with buildings that are sort of set back typically away from the street parking between the building and the street um uh less frequency of the buildings longer block lengths uh if a block can can be managed uh within those settings um yeah I think this is important you know Brad tip in Planning Development yeah one of the main factors of mud room is is the overall design is intended to put a lot of different uses within a short distance to encourage people to walk and use other means to get there or

drive internally without going out onto County Road um all of that put together there's a number there's an entire code section that deals with that and how you achieve that um and the the plan that was approved was based on that code section that that uh I believe the the trip generation that Steve can can speak to talks to that a little bit and how that internal capture occurs uh but it it's essentially uh creating an environment that encourages other means of travel or shorter means of travel without going out onto those other roads which theoretically reduces trips on those roads and achieves the same purpose um that we were talking about can I discount we give to mutm is about a 25% discount to standard fees I will point out that it pales in comparison to what we give the light industrial Light industrial discount that we're giving to this project is 100% discount so it's a 25% discount mm is a 25% discount to standard fees so I don't think you're going to be recouping a lot of money by eliminating the discount yeah but but but I think you're H is something and I think we should require this anyway but that's something we have to discuss and changes that wouldn't be a project it's something we could do here disc on your on this project exactly exactly all right let's let's bring it back to the board I think with the 25% reduction I can I can deal with the improvements that we'll get in here okay I thought I thought I thought it was in a higher number so let's I'm okay to approve it as submitted by staff Mo I'll make that motion get a motion at a second yes so the approval is for staff recommendation staff recommendation yeah thank you all in favor say I I I any opposed okay and and thank you to the applicant for listening something something I was reading through and just wanted to bring up okay item number p81 item p81 was published in the Tay times on August 13th 2023 good afternoon uh Patrick dutter Planning and Development um so this is a little bit unusual you normally don't see subdivision and site plans um but what happened was back in the 90s uh the board at the time uh put a condition on the resoning that they wanted uh this site to come back uh before the board for review before it developed um so that is why I'm here today um so um the first one is going to be a a site Within the overall subdivision plan itself uh so we have roughly 20,000 Square ft for commercial retail um the site we'll we'll get to the location I'm pretty sure you probably know where it is but it's right here on the corner at Litt and Ross uh the site has been masad already and it has been I think that way for close to a year now um again purpose I I told you why we're here today and I told you the location so uh General location map of where we are in the

county this is a context map so of course um there is Ridge Road up there and uh Little Road Ross is right below it the um Government Center is is just to the South as well um the zoning uh is C2 and C2 surrounds it as well and then the future land use is uh Comm and Ro to the South so this is um the site plan well one piece of the site plan it's kind of a they split the site plan in two because there are two buildings so this is building building number one and building number two you'll notice that there is an access connection running behind the adjacent parcel that is the Wendy's parcel that goes out to the light um the king Healey light so um they're going to be building that cross access back there to make that connection I know Landscaping is quite important to this board so this is the landscape plan that staff intends to approve I went through rounds of review to make sure it meets current code requirements uh and of course the recommendation is approval with conditions of the requested simultaneous well actually it's it's just for the site plan application just provide Clarity staff reviewed the applicants request which was a simultaneous submittal package which includes a preliminary site plan construction plan and storm water management plan report we don't expect you guys to weigh in on the storm water management plan and construction plan piece more just to review the site plan itself and uh confirm that everything looks okay basically correction they don't want you to weigh in we don't want to no comment yeah uh any questions I can answer on this one um I'll just ask a question as far as there will be a light at Russ Lane in Little Road uh I have some transport I think the applicant might be able to speak to it but we also have some people on the transportation team that will speak to it as well um we're ready for them okay I'm not sure does the want us try to speak all right so all right so so you don't have the answer anyone questions for staff okay come up thank you Barbara will height 6327 Grand Boulevard Newport Richie Florida for the applicant I have not been here for a very long time with the site plan I have to say the last time I was here was Riverside Village um so as you know as commissioner starky related the law with the site plan it's really not a discretionary action if we meet the requirements of the code um then we are uh approved or should be approved staff has very thoroughly uh reviewed this and have determined that we've met all the requirements the code and recommending approval it's just because of that old zoning condition we used to do that back in the day it sounded really good at the time hey let's bring the site plan back to the board so um so here we are um we're really here I think to gather any public comment um and hear what the Public's questions may be and answer their questions so we're I have my whole

my team here to do that commission Mariano yes we have worked with your county your new County engineer and staff prior to the C new County engineer staff we've been talking about the signal for a while and there are conditions in the next item that talks specifically about the uh signal and when that'll be done so we can either talk about it now or we can um it's part of the presentation I think on the I'm comfortable with the next item with that okay I knew was coming I just wanted to see where and I didn't quite see it here so that explains so thank you okay any other questions for the applicant I do Mr why so we're going to keep this as job creating site here it's it's a commercial it's a commercial project okay yeah C2 property okay thank you I'm good any questions no I've with them all right good public comment anyone wanted to speak to the M p81 anyone listed move approval Mr chair I don't have anyone listed but I will do a call out for Mr Daniel sisle all right I do not see him move approval and no one on no one on WebEx and no one on WebEx public comment have a motion to approve have a second second all in favor say I I I any oppos okay item p82 item p82 was published in the Tay times on August 13th 2023 okay again uh Patrick dutter Planning and Development um probably should have put this one first because it probably puts it in context the site plan um so same exact area it's just this is the subdivision plan that is going to be supporting the individual site plan one of which you just saw uh there will be sites in the future that will then of course fill in um but this is the subdivision plan that kind of uh sets the bones of the site itself uh location is the same context map the same uh zoning and future land use I think you get it um and this is the preliminary development plan um so uh North is of course up little is over on the left hand side there um you can see the I think there are nine individual lots that will be developed to storm water tracks for storm water ponds um access running to the north uh I called out to the the Wendy's parcel going to the king hey light and then to the South out to Ross Lane um also there are going to be two connections to uh Little Road as well um and I think Barbara already talked about that lighting of little and Ross but I'm sure we can have a deeper conversation about what that is if you'd like okay any questions for staff right to the applicant bar will height 6327 Grand Boulevard for the applicant so the specific condition um is condition number two it provides that my clients going to pay 25% which is their proportionate share of the total estimated cost of the of the signal and the right westand westbound right turn lane Improvement all part of the signalization and the county is going to design the um Ross and Little Road intersection improvements in the fiscal

year 2025 and construct in fiscal year 2026 the design our client actually did the design for the county and have donated those plans to help the county get started on uh getting it signal signalized any questions for staff let me for the applicant I do Mr chair commission wait a minute so what are we going in what what's going in here went to different commercial out Parcels is this is this there's not build to build to rent product that's going in in this this all commercial there is a um a build to rent propos osed project to the east of this commercial project okay these are all commercial out Parcels okay all right thank you Mr chair did you want to ask your question as far as will this be not converted over to residential it's a it's a historic C2 you don't have zoning in front of you it's they are they are site planning it to commercial I think you're I think you're covered good okay I thought I was too but I appreciate having a backup over my six on this better not get lacks on that thanks chair just a s plan as we know but all right okay other questions for the applicant all right this is a public hearing any other any questions from the public on p82 any comments I do not have anyone sign up specifically but I'll call out again Daniel sisle and no one on WebEx no one on WebEx seeing no one coming forward we'll close public comment to the board move approval second all in favor say I I I any opposed motion passes p83 item p83 was published in the time by times on August 30th 2023 a resolution cancelling resolution 22225 sorry it's been a long day U for the record Jason ml Public Works director um this uh p83 resolution regular cancelling resolution number 22- 225 relating to the L Soul Court Paving assessment project pvas number 3479 discontinuing the El Soul Court Paving project the proposed assessment and the notice of intent to lean adopted under resolution number 22225 for giving all County costs incurred to date for the assessment project authorizing the refund of all prepaid assessments received for the Lou Court project and providing for an effective date okay any questions for Jason okay thank you Jason anyone from the public like to speak to item p83 yes I do have U Mr hum um Hu sorry Townsen and then also perhaps Daniel sisle Perhaps Perhaps okay first of all I'm not Daniel my name is Hugh Townson 9701 Herman solo Drive Newport Richie Florida 34655 uh I have one of the properties adjacent to this project I also am the President of Hunters Ridge Homeowner Association uh in a previous uh presentation I entered into evidence um written statements from all the property owners in this little CTO saac stating they do not do not want this project uh

and that is on record and on file uh the impetus how it started Mrs sey had made a request for a pothole to be filled which indeed Public Works came out shortly thereafter and filled um there was a little uh confusion um she speaks primarily Punjabi um she wound up getting talked in to or being made aware of uh a past and the paperwork began she did not realize how to stop it but the one woman who did go in favor of it and I of course against it we canceled each other out she did submit a letter revoking her approval we the uh there five Lots but there only four owners we all agree with the findings uh of staff and we ask that you approve the cancellation of this past the road is perfectly operable we've had a couple of trips with the EMS out there uh fire truck uh ambulance police all arrived uh people were removed quite well everything is going quite well kids are riding their bikes on the road everything is perfect we ask that you approve it um aside from that just a belated Lanova and let's hope for uh the New Year 5784 that we can uh approve the cancellation of this all right thank you thanks move to approve uh hang on any anyone else to speak to this item anyone on WebEx no one on WebEx and your friend Daniel sisle yeah I did not say Daniel fle okay I don't know mystery man maybe he'll come at 5 sign up for everything no he didn't sign up for anything so I have to call him every time okay he didn't all right we're going to close public comment to the board move for approval second all in favor say I I I any opposed motion passes we'll go back to our consent agenda Mr chairman before you do that um clerk's office has raised an a concern um that you double voted 79 yes um my recollection was no um so my recollection was the chair tried to stop the vote when Mr pitos approached the podium and then you had much dialogue and then voted for staff recommendation correct um I believe I confirmed that that was what that motion was I don't just so just so that restate the vote you can last for the motion reconsider your first motion would be the appropriate would be the appropriate vote who made the motion anybody on the prevailing s sign it would be just to reconsider the first vote on on 79 have a motion to reconsider p79 commissioner Oakley's motion was the first one okay right so you want to make m to reconsider yes I'll make motion to reconsider second second all in favor say I I now can we call from another motion and we have to have a motion you you normally would but you now have a motion that has been adopted for that item and I think we just we just leave it there I agree and it was for clarification for the record so I appreciate it thank you good to the back to the consent agenda uh um I pulled item c16 I don't need a presentation from the staff I just want

to let everybody know that this was from the association working with the one parcel that we bought and the other easements to go along with it that'll help us get the project done so we're moving forward with that i' like for motion for approval uh move to approve second all in favor say I I I any opposed thank you um I do have a question where's this money coming from um Stone water it's a swift project Tor water flood abatement project so this is is that cooper funed cooper funded yeah yeah uh there is a there's a project I mean Brandford could provide more information but I mean we're we're moving down the moving down the road steadily because like we keep buying properties which is great it's it's the last of them yeah oh it it's the last love to see you know just tell someone one day show me what's going on we can show you a map of ready for that of course now now we're really well we're just waiting for the apartment not to finish up so hopefully br will get them done okay c21 Andrew bter P revise this is pretty crazy good afternoon Doug Anderson uh assistant Facilities Management director we you want to withdraw c21 you withdraw okay well um is that a so I looked it up I dropped a pen at that address there's a trailer there is this is is there an existing home on this property or is this there's an existing property but was it was a um it was a a drug yeah I figured that um this has been a problem in that Community for a while so this is interesting so the sheriff got possession of the property because it was a drug house correct and then um and so so then it went I read the memo it's my district so um so then it went to uh um the sheriff said we need to auction it off and they get the proceeds they get half the proceeds and um it was it went out for $2,500 for this home that's correct and and that was the that it has a home on it I mean I mean it's not a very nice one but so um so we were getting then then we deducted our fees yes so Sheriff's getting like $400 or something like that on that I'm not exactly sure the final amount they'll get and so I think we would have all been better off if we had gotten this knocked that Garb that piece of garbage down and given this property to someone to build a home on it instead of a d keep keep a derel trailer uh with someone now moving into a der trailer for $500 so I don't know can we look at these I'd like to look at this process again and we're all better off to not have the same kind of habitat continuing in a neighborhood like that so we haven't sold the property yet though I don't know why he's pulling it but they but they got bids and the winning bid was $2,500 so it's going to be another drug ad all right so could we somehow make the check to the shareff for $400 and then go demol our house and then go put

in Market as a as a new structure coming up I don't know what the terms of the sale are or the bid I mean I think staff wants to withdraw it at this point so we can huddle on this but I don't know why they were don't know being head knots so we we'd like to withdraw it and we'll bring it back okay Mr St you all you follow on that one yeah I just think when we have an opportunity to start improving a neighborhood we should be jumping on it not letting the same thing go on and on I'm with you yeah okay c23 okay c23 there were was a a math error um in the annual amount the annual amount for the rent should have been $ 7,496 and4 and then there was an error in the table at the bottom for the six-month uh lease amount which should have been read $3,748 and2 move approval with corrections second all in favor say I I I any opposed thank you we to make yeah which one we just they with it they just it okay and I've got c25 pull and revise that was c25 with though you put it on the you approved it on the consent agenda they didn't they didn't need it okay they didn't change it okay uh c42 is a withdrawal withdrawn c43 no why uh Jason you want to talk why we just withdrew it just so we understand uh hello board uh Jason ml for the record um on c42 that that's on me we needed to um provide a printed copy of the consortion document reasonable reasonable Insurance document that wasn't provided we had a link so we just need to provide that documentation for the next time we have it on the 1010 meeting okay so you'll see it again in 1010 very good um so no problems there and then um on c43 very good yeah c43 um I just pulled this just love it it's a great thing let me let me say that we did this uh we got this money to do part of the ano River a number of years ago they went from the starky boulevard bridge to Little Road and I went and watched it they were using inmate labor and it was amazing how beautiful the river was after they pulled all those trees out of there um so I we we need to keep doing this around the county it helps the water get out makes the rivers more navigable um it's great great project I wanted to pull it just to draw a little attention to the great job Mr Carabella is doing and I'm glad you're cheerleading every step of the way too yeah all right so motion to approve absolutely I have a motion a second all in favor say I I I did we make a motion on one prior to this I was withdrawn oh okay you come back to us later and c56 one in there c-56 this was another one I think we talked about it but again I just want to highlight JJ made the trip up to DC uh with myself and the fire fire fire Union team uh so JJ want you just talk about this quickly what what it's done for us sure this is uh this grant will be able to put the live vent system in all of our fire

stations across the county uh this was a significant team effort uh first support from the the board of county commissioner ERS um trust from uh you know our County Administrator we kind of changed how we're going after a little bit more aggressive approach on some of these grants uh but I'd be remiss if I didn't thank our partnership with the iff uh not only did they accompan us up to DC they use their iff lobbyist in DC to help with this grant as well uh the diligence from Robbie who authored the Grant and all the staff involved in that uh Ralph Lair and Harry GL who set up our DC meetings uh and I believe Chief Perez and his leadership team and I are not done we going love it and I want to say JJ with yourself and Mike taken this extra step we could have gotten a grant last year but we did not and they had just have made the awards but we were I think it was just the the team all together to to have the union up there uh everybody focused with the county and talk about the things we had done the things we wanted to go do improve fire safety for our people to improve their quality of life and and safety of our firefighters was I think very well received up there so much so that even Congressman laa Lee wanted to come to Shady Hill to actually see the new fire station which we have Bend to for the grand opening uh and to see what we're doing here and I think that may even lead us to get more help because of we've shown the commitment having an mstu for fire to make sure we're upgrading for our people to be safe and where they can serve our people better so thank you for the great work so we have a motion to approve second motion the second all in favor say I I I any opposed in we see 66 is withdrawn so that takes care of the consent agenda back to the board for committee reports commission Ro um I attended on U the 911 ceremony out on on Saturday 99 uh recognize a couple General the trooper and also Jason that was with the fire department we laid the rest back in April and U I think we missed yeah we did go go go ahead and finish your reports and we'll we back to I missed an item two items yeah that's all I have that's all I have okay yep okay so r69 Ralph Lair ohot forgot Ralph you had two items on the regular so lot of around today go govern Affairs officer on the day you'll have three uh items that we're going to be discussing the potential legislative priorities the funding initiative proposals and then I also had this you'll remember was from our Workshop were some items that were given by district for sidewalks so if you'll remember at our Workshop we went over several policies uh and discussed uh if you wanted to

move forward with these items uh should we seek legislation now we're going to say what will be the finalized uh product uh I also wanted to kind of discuss uh coming off of the fact policy in Innovation uh conference that the chair and I attended last week several of our items that we discussed at our Workshop were discussed at that conference first one the live local which we would also seek to get a sponsor for would be the exclusion on the commercial industry uh land use zoning preemption um based on on were jobs poor housing Rich this is the requirement that would say if we are that low uh amongst other state where we've been trying to bring in jobs into our area we feel that our County and other counties like that should be Exempted out of or excluded out of that requirement the second one would be to be excluded out of the mandatory property tax exemption um because of the issue dealing with our law enforcement not having enough law enforcement now and there is a requirement by state law of how many law enforcement should be for every thousand residents we fall way short of that as as do several other counties and this would seek an exemption from there I don't know what the uh outcome will be uh if they have uh this issue was brought up at the uh conference last week uh I think that they hesitated pushing something forward but I think we should at least start the discussion and I think we have an argument that even our legislative delegation likes uh and so they're willing to move forward with this item so if you're for that and want to move forward I just need yes we will put that on our agenda you're okay with that yeah I'm good with both okay yep okay good with both consensus I think we need to um Converse more with the counties that are in the same position as us and on that map correct there are a lot of dots but they we didn't necessarily call out all those counties so let you know maybe make our own little Coalition correct you know I think the discussion and I think we we heard from our other counties around the state is there are issues we need to address it there already seen those problems that are occurring uh I think the message that fac said we don't want to move forward next year because the president is still there but at least we can start the discussion I think we have valid issues uh and concern and I think we have good documentation that we can at least start the discussion well I would think if we set got to meet with the Pres the president or her staff and they understood why uh you know where our position is I don't you know let's just articulate our position we're not against affordable housing but we just don't want it to be where we're trying to um bring jobs and we just we just have two big affordable housing projects coming to the county one's in the city right by Leisure Lane but and ones in my district but we're we are working towards that and as Ralph

summarized correctly fac doesn't supported because it affects others the other way they they look at something that supports everybody so this is something we're going to carry and just like waste energy we need to get that Coalition together to to make some momentum go correct so uh the next item um I'm going to say this would be for a statement um this is also an item that is similar to an issue that was brought up at fac uh and that's dealing with the limits to county or Municipal inmate medical cost uh the issue that was before the uh faac was to currently allow incarcerated individuals from uh to continue their medical assistance through Medicare and Medicaid because right now they don't get that reimbursement that's the issue that they are going to be pursuing with this ours is more of a cap issue um we'll look for a vehicle that maybe we can address this uh did get some history from the Florida sheriff's office about the the cap issue uh the cap issue was more of a concern with the Florida Hospital Association putting that cap on there and that's why it was not addressed in 2012 so my recommendation would be to to make it just a statement on our you know board that there there be a um limit on the County Municipal uh and uh County inmate cost for Health Care rather than looking for legislation to address that since faac is going to try to address that so faac may address it but um I think we could take a stand on it um correct and I believe Miami they have it built into an agreement without doing any legislation correct and that was Miami was opposed to it back in 2012 because actually their rate was lower than 110% cap that the state was seeking and the sheriffs and the fac were pushing the legislation last time so Commission turkey but this is different than what I've been trying to do on the federal level that's correct and was there any discussion about um changing or did we did we were we able to dig into it more if Florida if the legislation that is federal legislation is being changed that would allow States like Florida who are termination of benefit State versus the suspension of benefit State um did the feds add in the termination as well as suspension States I keep waiting for that answer no one's no one's told and no they did not go into depth on that issue and need to ask our lobbyist to look into correct okay and then and then if if Flor because this the the federal government has tweaked that issue that I've been working on with moo um to say if you are a state that suspends your federal health benefits when you are arrested um they can get them back back Florida is a state that terminates Federal benefits when you get arrested right and then they have to reapply and that's more of a ad administrative current administrative decision so it's a it's a a state decision if we want to be a suspension state or a federal state and I don't know what that means

financially but I'm telling you the County's the one picking up the cost and it's very detrimental to the families and there's a high amount of recidivism because they're not getting their medicine Ral did fac take a position to that not on that position it's part of their platform it's more of the no platform well we should work at federally but that's a state thing we need to work on so maybe just put that keep that on for our list I would say yeah statements yeah um support modification to competitive Consulting negotiations this there was an exact same one we had the same discussion at fac so fac and another County will be pursuing this and getting sponsorship for that type of legislation we all I think we all agree that this needs to be addressed so we don't have to keep going back and tweaking it every couple of years okay everybody go with that D ship modification to ship program funding uh there was something similar to this and it was actually bumped to the next conference uh to make a decision um I think because they tied in live local in the discussion with the housing issue uh we all agree that couny should have more flexibility uh and and go away from that 65% which was what we were trying to address is which is is what Marcy presented to you all is that it says you that 65% of the funds that we get from um the ship has to be used for home ownership and local governments agree that there are a lot of counties that have more rental type of population than they do homeowner uh uh that want home ownership and feel that we should have that flexibility and that's what we will be seeking so this board talked about that in the workshop that we had there was three three Commissioners there commissioner W was having the night of his life you might say my wife was she was congratulations your baby uh so he didn't make that but uh I don't want to change that I mean others may want to change it they have flexibility but I don't think if we're going to be talking about things we want to go do I would not want to put something on that we're even mixed about right and two Commissioners and I think the concern is by not having the flexibility is that we're not able to use that full 65% because there aren't enough people stepping up for home ownership in our County it's more for rental assistance that they need so for failure to lose funds I'm I'm going to say I don't think it's an issue if we want if we're not getting enough response from it okay then let's go look to change it to create a more value to it so putting more money if possible or whatever to tweak it if we can tweak it to make it that you put more F funds into it but I think we should that should be a discussion about how we're doing it can we do more to increase the subsidy of if you want to call it for uh home ownership because maybe we're not doing as much as we could do I don't know

Kathy do you know okay so before I go down that road about the flexibility we've got enough other items to work on yeah let's focus on what we really know I I'd say we agree I agree okay okay then we had two other issues of uh discussion um supporting uh the issue dealing with the law for code enforcement and going back to Anonymous complaints again another great discussion we had last week at faac this is one that they will uh you know seek to change is the feeling of of the County Commissioners across the state so I would say we support that statement being on our our legislative agenda let go with that one good good good okay and then the last one uh this is dealing with an issue that you brought up commissioner starky uh the private provider for plans and review and inspections I think seeking to have more consumer protection yeah something audit something and and we I try to work with staff and I think we try to work with our uh the state lobbyist with the association uh dealing with that group uh to come up with some kind of uh legislation this is just one I think if we you know we could just if we could have a statement on that we can continue to work on and maybe find a vehicle find a bill that we can ATT catch something on but I don't think we're it's ready for prime time just yet of how we're going to address that issue to put in consumer protections under the current statute now are you guys aware what's going on with this go so so if a builder should I be the one to explain it I mean I can I can basically say on its on its face and if anyone from development services wants to correct me they can but I mean on its face I believe some of the concerns are is that you know a builder if they choose to use a private provider that's that's their choice so if you're buying a home for example from a builder you enter into a contract with with that Builder you don't own the house um necessarily or own anything about it you just you buy it at the end according to the terms of the contract so there there seems to be you know on the buyer's part um some reticence necessarily on on these private providers and there have been instances that we have seen in the county with with regards to a particular Builder and and you know private provider that was used that that have created some situations and so I I think things from even just disclosure um at least notification or something like that um maybe are things that we can we can look at or talk about and these are third party these are private contracts so what happens is our our inspectors don't go they use a third party inspector and then when problems arise and buyers buyers are trying to even get out of their contracts because there's so many problems going on it with this it becomes a civil matter and that's I mean that's really what it is we can't do anything we can't we can't send our building inspectors we can't

tell the Builder you need to fix that right um all we can say is I'm sorry they used a third party provider hire an attorney the I mean the purpose of why the legislature put this in there was they felt like there was a backlog at the local level with the building inspections so giving uh the people the ability to go to a private inspector pay for it and go in and get the inspections done would expedite it did that happen yes but if they signed off on something and then it became a problem down the line we've had a couple of issues here in our they come back to the and say you you did this no you hired a third party you have to sue uh to uh get civil action ter ter Terry has it going on in his house so I think that's a good thing to add into um it might even be something to add a little bit further for down the road you know you put that disclosure out there the C County can help you if you go with a private provider after the fact it'll be purely civil that's a protection some people would be aware of it some not not uh but I think maybe we should even put something out there where we make these inspector companies or contractor put up a bond whenever they're going to go forward something that's maybe it's a Cooperative type of a pool where money can go into it that right for those problems that are out there they have a fun to actually tap into to to go fix the work notice that on some counties they do have web pages and statements on their on their website that say yes the legislature approved this you know for this purpose but please note you know this if you have a problem you know this is something that you would have to uh take up by you know with a civil case um all we as a county or a local government entity can do is say yes this individual is licensed in the State of Florida so I would say we should get something on our website if others have done it let's go see what they did bring It Forward take a look at it they so we can do that anyway but I still agree with pursuing this commissioner Oakley some of the issues I see was with some of this people that do things wrong and don't get permits and don't follow through like they're supposed to they're getting that third party and they're not doing what they should to do the right thing for their project um I don't know that I don't trust the third party because of it I know one guy's doing it right now and I think he's doing things against the county and he's under conditional use and code can't seemed because it's conditional use code doesn't seem to be able to have the ability to do anything about it and it just g z so Gary may be trying to raise his hand to speak now the you Noe no actually we're just trying to work on connectivity for this evening sorry you know I'm not saying that the builders shouldn't be able to use a third party provider but if there's a problem we should be able to somehow get involved there's limitations I mean we we have a certain period of time I know and I don't see JP orer here but we have

a certain period of time to you know make make decisions but it's a very very finite amount of time and given the volume you can't necessarily get to the detail and you have to accept the you have to accept it because it's from a certified it's frustrating building inspector or building constru building official so that's you're relying on the license is what you're relying on but and and to your point they're a licensed individual so there should be an oversight group that whether it's cilb or whoever it's not us it's not our local could be division of Professional Regulation like it is for engineers I mean there's there are they're regulated through a different through different Source it's just the county which would be I guess the more direct line for the citizen is just not there they have to deal with a different so maybe we provide the complaint forms to our residents we can certainly have that available I suppose they are very frustrating and I but it's frustrating when you can't get code can't do anything and they're on a conditional use and they can't can't go check or be sure they're doing the right thing uh and I'll even tell you who is I think is doing something is there's some activity going on at the ice rink out on mckendry he's moving gravel and dirt in and making more spaces and I thought at at his his conditional use allowed him only use of the 58 spaces parking spaces he has he's building spaces out on the rest of his land that he is parking people everywhere and it's happening and we've let why that can't be regul can't be watched well CU nobody from BCS or I mean with the Building Services they don't they can't check on anything yeah I just found this morning so I've I've asked well this has been going on for over a year there's never an answer of how we get this guy follow in line and do the right thing all he needs to do is the right thing but I think he works hard at doing the wrong thing it really bothers me that shouldn't be happening in our County and it our citizens deserve better just that both one and two uh Jeremy yep uh actually what uh is support and then look for a statement that we could uh support on that one as well rather than actual trying to do policy change okay so the last uh portion I need is our funding initiative so we did agree that we would move forward with three projects all right can we hold take a five minute break we can do that right S I got to go so minut five minutes all right we resume and Ralph now we'll talk about funding initiatives yes sir we can do that so in our discussion at the workshop the um funding initiatives we said let's go to three projects a West Central and an East project um some of the criteria we were thinking about looking at was let's look at the silos that they go into Transportation Economic Development teds types of projects and that's one Silo and water

projects so getting with staff with that recommendation and Direction then my and what our legislators also seek is I ask the staff to to look at projects that we had skin in the game that's always a nice one that are that's shovel ready that's actually dealing with the construction of the project not the um um you know not Designer or planning or anything like that uh and that if we only got partial funding that we could still move forward with a project staff looked at that staff came back came uh gave three recommendations as possible ask for the West Side SE Pines neighborhood flood abatement that would be a storm water project so real quick on storm waterer projects that money comes from General Revenue um the legislature will look at all those water projects um once they they work on that list they may fund all of them they might fund only a partial amount of those uh you may get full funding or you may get partial funding but that's strictly up to the legislature and how they control that pot of money um that's for the West Side Bellamy brothers Road Safety improvements was one to be considered with all the acds that have been happening out there to stabilize the shoulders widen curves tactical warnings intersection lighting and signage and then uh Road improvements on overpass Road from Old Bridge to hand cart were the suggestions they gave some other ideas plus we had that list of sidewalks that were on there so now let's let's see if we can come up with our three projects that we'll seek sponsorship for um and we'll start with the West Side SE Pines neighborhood flood of batement let me let me stop you just for a second one of the things we had talked about was we want to try to put these projects also in each uh State House members District State Senate as well as house do we have map to which ones these fit into or do we know uh yeah we would we do uh so for the first one uh that would be Hooper and jger uh the next no you're not right oh that's that's that's hul oh hul on that one um and I was going to see um you are right that is hul um I would have thought uh I would I would have gone to gger and Hoover for that for that one but it's it's angolia and and hokom for that first for see findes okay so with with that I mean's let's keep on looking so we long as we know where they're coming from so as we talk okay so if the pleasure of the board what would you like to do for your West Side knowing that um okay I'm sorry I'm confused okay so I think Ralph has got three projects here number one is on the West Side number two is in the Central etish and then three three is on the east side and so we're looking to boil these projects down you've got a water project in here you've got some Transportation projects in here that that we believe are shovel ready so that we're looking for the direction from the board budget uh

overpass Road uh overpass Road and Bellamy brothers Road um and then there were some other uh those are in Hooper's District does that matter it didn't matter Commissioners Commissioners I'm sorry if if I may just in terms of strategy that's that important we really need to be aligned on what the needs of our County are and and we can work strategy from from there I really would prefer that the board be United on what we feel that we need yeah and I we wanted no he will be the chair of teds that's all we were seeking is it did not have to be in his district he is just the chair of teds well so to touch on it I think it's important we do get some who in each one of their districts that's the whole goal so and if that means we got to do five projects so be no no no no no no we want to get money yeah um at the end of the day we want to get money we want to I'm not worried about the strategy it's not in my district yeah I'm not really worried about the strategy I think we will we can easily work that out the strategy was the silos and not by getting projects in the in the members District we can rotate you know as we should be good so I know we have this discuss is well I'm sorryy thank you so first we want a iiz the importance to all of our legislators to help push this through and two what is the right how much is too much I mean I've heard Sean say if you ask for too much they're not going to do it so some of these are humongous they are and if you look at them but but again I think we looked at it and said I'll tell you this much the storm water abatement one I think is coming off of hurricane Adelia this is the time to ask and which one is that one number one for the west side I think this is the right time ask coming off the hurricane uh and we had the legislators come out here and look and I think they would agree too I think they heard from the residents that we need to do something with that storm water and we have been putting skin in the game already correct we were just buying properties if you recall during durre we do have skin in the game the story here that is correct we have skin in the game Swift Mud has get in the game already yep so the best part of the whole thing is when you look at it what we put the last parcel we just approved today that I I pulled from the agenda that c Pines that with an 8.2 acre donation from an apartment complex for the rest of the canals that we need to take it out to the gulf because I don't know what the project looks like I don't know that I've ever been shovel ready and we do have staff here if you need it but it is shovel ready and ready to go and the other thing to add into this I have no idea what the project so the I can if I could let's let's let's a little if I were to give you a map uh so let me talk before before before you speak let me just go a little further so this project here as well as doing the flood of batement we've already got Cooperative funding with swift m to the tune of about $8 million we've done so far and approved and gone

through the steps this is the final step that's added in since we got the Dr Chang preer property since the apartment came in to give us the land we need now we can finish this off and the other thing we've been waiting to do out there is to go out and actually do septic to sewer project too I think we combine the septic to sewer in the same ask but does this does it hurt us that it's in Blaze's District because he only get say 10 projects I don't know what they get in the Senate versus the house or whatever but but I would have concern with that because it's going to raise that price up from six million almost $7 million we're seeking right now and if you were to add in the septic to sewer uh project list that's going to add up a lot what three another $4 million or three half million but if you don't do both just do one no if you make the ask if if nothing else they may say we're going to make this a water project separate from over here so put them in as one ask break out what it what it is for sub sewer and the other and they may pull it themselves and say we're going to put this part over here and fund this one over here why why take that risk I don't know yeah that's you don't want to take you don't want to lose a project or money for a project because if it get turn down we're not going to get it next time no they made they made partially funded they're going to say we're going to fund half of it but you fund the other half I mean we saw that in all responses you brought back commissioner shy that showed some funding were complete and some were partial and some had like 20 different items on the list that you saw right yeah but water quality is huge what's so different from other counties and I think we have to tell this story more and us is that we don't have the cities asking it comes just from us and these other Counties have cities that ask for these septic programs and water programs and and we don't so we we need to be treated a little differently up there we and we have to let them know that we should get more the county should get more more acid so how about we we look I just want to be successful that's all I'm saying so how about we just look at Sea Pines again let's let's take that holistic look that that's fine but let's let's prioritize the storm water and then we we we talk about septic to sewer as a as a I'll call it a target of opportunity and and as we strategize going into the session you know we can maybe be nimbl but if we if this board is United on making the storm water portion the priority and then if the opp if there's an opportunity for us to look at septic to sewer as as part of that let us give us the flexibility to amend applications or look at that as we go through because I don't I I agree I don't know I know there's a little bit of strategy that has to go into selecting the target I know there's a little bit of chicken in the egg here but but we should be at least United on where we want to try to Target we can't hit Blaze with all his money I tell you what I've got another idea why don't we

take the sepatu projects we have and just as commissioner Simpson I mean commissioner Simpson told us when we're up there let's go tape the Sea Pines the alers and let's add Town and Country and we won't ask the state legislators for it we'll go right to commissioner Simpson and put the ask in for those three see what we can get there so we'll leave it this we'll leave that part out for them we just go septic theour with commission we can do that but there's we actually are working on a response for that there is no money that Senator Simpson has that money was a $10 million that he put in uh to d uh it was a one-time shot that went to Seven Counties and it went only to improve homeowners septic systems not to switch over and that money has been spent and he told us something different so I'm want to go back to him and try you could go back and say he said it was 20 million it was $10 million but and it only impacted Pasco Hillsboro I mean Pasco Hernando Citrus Marian and one other but that money has been spent and we got nothing yeah and that money has been spent and it was homeowners that applied for it well I think I think what what what Ralph was trying to say though it it was targeted for individual homeowners now I don't know how what the application process was but it wasn't a governmental type type thing so maybe there was maybe there's a different program we're going to research that and see what was what the intent was we hear you loud and clear about grant money and there's one water quality improvement grant program with d that helps local governments on septic to sure that we are looking at okay Commission wa minut for the sep D what y'all were just discussing cheat sheet is T to Swift Mud because it dealt with sep D conversions your major spring heads up in Citrus County within I think the acronym was Bap or something it's within a certain District so uh it was a priority boundary predominantly up in the Citrus County area near the we had it in Spring spring that's where the bulk of the money that's where the bulk of the money went and it went to the homeowners to impr their system we could have had it up in that little town in our Corner commissioner Oakley I sat on that committee that you were oniss so that's the Springs committee commissioner Oakley was our representative I went to a meeting because he couldn't go and there there was money for Pasco in up in your Northern corner what's arapa but that that Springs does come down into the arapa area and we if there's still money in there I don't know if you got any for Pasco but there still money in there we could we're we're in that we are in their boundary I'll make that call and check that yeah so we hear you loud and clear so if on the on the septic dour and seeking funds for that um so if you're good with the Sea Pines flood abatement for the west side I'm F I think that's that's a good ask but I think we canit I hear what you're saying chairman we will work on that um I think we now have to go into Hooper's district and into M and burgess's District we are

on next projects um and and the two next uh the two uh other projects are are Transportation Silo related uh which would be uh something that Senator Hooper shares and that's basically what we were saying not who our sponsors with so what we would be looking at is two spons uh the same Senate sponsor for the for the Central and East that's Burgess and then two house sponsors um for the uh Central and East magger um and steel but uh um Comm sure of the central had a different way of going he looked at this he you know he likes this but he really wants to I think you you go ahead sir you had another idea compared to the Bellamy project so instead of the the Bellamy project we were successful in getting sidewalk funds for phase one of the for Pine View middle and Pine View Elementary phase two of that project uh for the parkway through Lake pageant it's actually less money we're asking for less money money we last for 2 million last year we got one and a half uh but F this is a a less ask for phase two of the sidewalk project to get kids to school and uh you know we had great sponsorships in uh Senator Burgess and representative still and we were fortunate to have Senator Hooper uh running Ted committee and um we could the board I'd hope that we consider just finishing this this project all the way through knock out both phases and what a what a fantastic win for the neighborhood and for the school kids and um I think it's it's what are we doing it's measurable we I think the commissioner is on the second page with sidewalk list the sidewalk list the bottom one the last one for 1.17 Parkway Boulevard from Lake pageant East from shining star drive to car your Parkway and that would connect that that'd be the second phase to what the money that we were able to capture to get from from uh Pine View uh elementary and middle down Parkway into the neighborhood uh project the legislators like it um they like it that it's it's helping the the residents or school kids especially with the schools cutting back and it won't cut into any transportation work plan gr great support from the school board it was a great state county and School Board partnership and uh you know we were successful last year and I think there's good momentum to to to keep the project going forward and and folks out there just they're very very very appreciative so do you think you might be able to combine like Shady Hills Parkway and that uh I'm I'm always willing to make the ask I'm I'm 4 I'm I prefer in this environment I think we can be successful in getting sidewalk funding especially for our school kids walking to school um it's a true need the decision makers get it and the public very much appreciates it but um let me ask whose Senate District is the Shady Hills this would oh Shady Hills I don't know where blazes stops we cannot ask it would currently the the Pine View Elementary is definitely going to be burges I don't know who the current P view is B still I'm not I'm not sure

who's for Shady Hill Shady Hill may be in goam we need to I it goes up to S the Sun Coast I think it be steel too right yeah steel house but Senate um I you know Jack I just think we need to not put too much in Blaze's basket yeah I don't you know you know how that works more than me but I just hear that yeah I I hear what you're saying and I think you are on the right path let's just put it that way now the house has got a limit as far as what bills they can submit though but the Senate's unlimited correct I think you're good if you go with that that one sidewalk and not try to combine right at this point in time Parkway yeah or one of the little ones either trying to keep I'm trying to keep it in the central portion of the county again we're doing West Central and East so why don't you why don't you combine the curly Road one too then Pine View and what's CH what's the Chapel Elementary that that's that stretch a road Ralph and I talked about that that stretch of road because all the new neighborhoods built off boyet and coming down vany that's same district uh they're further apart one but as far as oh yes representations and that still gets you just just over just over two mil I see you're where you're going chair okay well I'm G so which one are we looking at so chair's on the point to to do curly Road oh okay okay uh and District commission district one and Parkway Elementary y Parkway and it gets us to the okay chair's number different members but we'll work on strategy on that one different rep magard was supportive of the sidewalk project last time uh and I think he'd be okay what's in District three interest and then the last one the recommendation was over Pass road from Old Bridge to handguard that was to resurface um project but that's almost rebuilding part of it is not buil and you had concern with that I know and you had there another issue on public works that you were you were looking at whose district is overpass in mine well would you guys mine then I know I was going to be magnanimous but I'm not going to be um would you mind if the sidewalk instead of being curly uh came down to Hooper's neighborhood which is Trinity and is this number three um and then you do overpass for the third one and that way everyone gets a little something in their I'm afraid of overpass because of the expense of overpass oh where where is it it's $8 million and that's that's take an overpass that'll go in to water grass and turn to the north and match up to Fairview Heights that's a rebuild of that road and only part of that is in the 8 million should we ask cost more match up I think so but I think that's too expensive a project can I hear you I'm Afra we're going to get turned down on it great and so there was another project on there that you were interested in I know the other project is uh Public Work the old try Road from 98 back to lockart which

is about halfway of uh the old try road to lockart and then back to 41 nice is do there's $2 million project for just is Paving but I would like to them cuz those are older roads and I think they're narrow they're two lane road but they're narrow and I'd like to see them do that project but also include uh some widening of that road from that point back into Trilby I like that and maybe we'll get Wilton to help push that to the Hernando legislators right then then there would be one in everyone's District even though they're different PLS if you switched curly for little road on the sidewalk curly but now we're getting out of central by putting that in there but no we have we have two we have Lake padet yep the bit that's a big one one 1.1 yep we have in Jack up in Sea Sea Pines we have Jack Sea Pines B that's the West we have a big one over there try Road that's East yeah to many and then a little one 700,000 so we're going to do four projects then instead of three we would combine the side walks into one put them separate put them separate Hooper can't sponsor a bill but it's in his district yeah I mean Ralph do you think just kind of given the dollar they combine it and give it to Danny yeah but the legislators might question and just say but these aren't even close they're not in my district because I'm gonna have to get one sponsor for that Hooper District I know but I'm gonna have to get one sponsor and I was looking at at Parkway Boulevard in Lake padet that was going to be um Burgess going with Burgess and uh um you're saying Burgess you're saying Burgess can't add little road to his he won't he won't add that little road into it because District I mean I get what we're trying to do strategy wise but it would be it would be a totally separate project but but how does Hooper get any because if you're chair you can't he's the chair he'll it's his Silo he will see this project and he will have probably no problem signing off that's where that's what happens when you're the chair and it's a Sil it's not that it's it's in his district it's Pasco County he's going to help Pasco County no I think the point the point is if Burgess carries a project that is in Hooper's District Hooper will approve it Hooper will approve it a little one it's a little one we'll try I'll actually on the street he drives to go home so all right this is his street he lives lives right up a little in in so we're combining the uh the three and the two yes yes the last the bottom two and that would be considered our Central project so we're doing Parkway and which ones right that's our transportation Little Road one of our two we have two Transportation two bottom ones oh four and five yeah prior okay so that'll be our Central and then Troy Road the flood for the east side and Sea Pines for the west side got it TR we good with that yall good with that I'm good with that okay thank you all set that's it thank you but but

but guys we need to please make sure Dade City and zephra hills are asking for money I've asked the Newport Richie and the Port Richie people to be asking for money we we all need to be asking so then what I'm going to do is uh put this together uh get our legislative agenda get it all cleaned up pretty something we can hand out um I've got to uh I'm going to work on sponsors especially for the funding because the um house has a deadline of November 14th and that's to get legislation in and to get their budget requirements in it doesn't have it have it so November 14th 5:00 P p.m. is our our deadline that we have to get this in uh my goal would be to get this cleaned up pretty uh for discussion for the delegation meeting which is October 2nd um the plan is that the chair will go and speak on behalf of the county and myself uh if you go you're going for other issues but that's normally it's the chair goes uh and that's how we've done in the past so we just have one person on there um we'll make sure it's on your calendar so I I am going to probably go you will probably go going am skills please get nonprofits to ask for money oh yeah we're we are half the ass of other counties our size and then at a later date we're also going to have to but but I want this ready so I can start going out to the legislators and especially for the legislation on the live local uh go sit down and and talk the the plan was to talk with Burgess and uh um Jagger uh as possibly carry in those for us but I definitely want to get those fun issues I may even take members along with me if I set up those meetings to help push uh and get get our sponsors um but we should be in good shape with three projects I think the I think the delegation will be pleased uh hopefully and uh um then we move forward and get ready for for session there the um house is in session this week they're in committee weeks they're really not doing much it was more to uh swear in the next speaker designate which they did yesterday yeah um which was you know a nice little circumstance um so the next interarm committee is October um 9th that they'll do um but I we really got to be this deadline uh for November 14th to get our our budget items in uh so I think we'll have no problem with that I'll work with Sean on that as well uh to get those and that's it okay thank you Ralph appreciate it thanks Ral we got r70 site planning best practices for car wash businesses yay long time coming good afternoon Commissioners for the record Chris Deon Planning and Development uh this request is really to full today we're going to present some ideas to you related to Car Wash businesses and then we're also going to request direction from the board on how to proceed forward and as you all know uh back on on June 20th the board uh expressed concerns during discussion over the proliferation of car wash businesses

here in Pasco County uh in recent weeks we've had the opportunity to meet with each of you to talk about some of these ideas and uh so we're back here uh to present them and uh get that direction from you all um let's jump into the presentation here so with regard to this um we are proposing to create some Corridor specific design standards for car washes that will provide the following uh we're looking at proximity requirements to ensure employment generating major transportation Corridor frontages uh we believe that section 1105 of the Land Development code uh provides some some guidance for us going forward with with car washes uh we could look at creating a new section that is modeled off of section 1105 um section 1105 is specifically self- storage facility design standards but aside from the design standards uh we have some uh regulations that deal specifically with those uses along um these along certain corridors the North 41 East 52 Corridor the Redevelopment Corridor and the transit Corridor so uh we believe that we could model some of what we'd like to do to address concerns over car washes with that um we also the second item is uh limits on the number of such uses within an area so we could look at minimum distance requirements is certainly something we could um look into and research and come back to you with some ideas and uh third item is to provide design and development guidelines for parking stacking and vacuuming this kind of goes back to building placement how the buildings look uh to uh folks either walking or driving along roadways landscape buffering uh controlling parking stacking and vacuuming a big concern is is the how the vacuum areas of these businesses are are easily viewed from the right way they're not really shielded and so you get a similar design where you have a building that's perpendicular to the roadway and on one side you have the building which the cars go through to get clean and then you've got a whole Lane of of vacuums so uh we're looking to hopefully address that as well this is an example of 11 section 1105 we have our map which outlines uh the three corridors there in green we have the North 41 East 52 Corridor uh in Orange we have the Redevelopment Corridor and in purple we have the transit Corridor so we wanted to show you that we have three Aerials here this kind of gives you a flavor of of how close in proximity many of these car washes are uh the yellow stars there represent the full service car washes uh the red star represent presents a gas station which has a car wash uh on site there um and this is along State Road 54 and Wesley Chapel Boulevard as you're driving east along 54 coming up to Wesley Chapel Boulevard you're going to pass or see uh four different opportunities for car washes our next aerial is a if you're driving West on State Road 54 and you come up to that uh up coming up towards

Trinity Boulevard there's there's three car washes there in yellow are the full service the jallow car wash and the take five car wash and then of course we have an Amo gas station which also has an onsite Car Wash too you're missing the car wash at gun Highway down 54 right down the street right down the street uh we're going to get to that one um we're just kind of grabbing some Snippets here of of some of the uh the the congregations that we see of these uses next we have a little road and if you're heading south you come to Trouble Creek and what's unique about this area is not only do we have three car washes but we have three different car washes uh in how they're the offerings there the river crossing autop Spar it's one of those ones where you drive in get out of your vehicle scrub your vehicle down spray it with a high powerered hose and and then you drive off um the aerial doesn't show the Circle K but there is a Circle K gas station there now uh with an on-site car wash and then lastly we had the tidal wave Auto Spa uh car wash that's your typical full service car wash like you're seeing around the county now as uh commissioner starky had mentioned we do have the take five car wash there on 54 just west of the parkway uh we wanted to show you this this is standard this is what you're seeing in this particular picture uh the car wash itself runs perpendicular to 54 and then of course you have the entire row of car washes of course we'd like to work on some design standards and ways to work and make these a little more aesthetically pleasing my last slide is an example out of hillsbor County and this is a jallow car wash that's being constructed uh presently at the corner of Erick Road in Basswood Avenue what's unique about this is that in the Citrus Park area they allow for the buildings to be brought up closer to the roadway but if you're driving down erlick Road you're not necessarily going to easily see the vacuums that are located behind that car wash structure additionally as you enter the car Car Wash and exit it they've added in some some um architectural features in this case they're going to have pergas at the entrance and exit points of that car wash and of course by adding in some additional Landscaping they're really going to Shield a lot of the the activity that you would see on the site whether it's stacking of vehicles waiting to to enter the car wash or the vehicles that are are getting vacuumed and cleaned um that concludes my presentation but I'm happy to uh answer any questions you might have and really we just want to get direction so we can come back to you with some more uh definitive options and some ideas for addressing this concern which has been on the the board's Minds for a while now commission W thank you well first thank chair Mariana for egging me on at the end time of one of our last meetings so I appreciate the work you and Terry have put into this it's really been an inter in conversation and there's a part two to this that'll come on a later later

meeting um but yeah I mean you're you're snapshot you could have dozens of snapshots of of examples I mean when you get across 41 on 52 and you're heading west you have gas station approaching veterans there's a new one on the other side of the veterans next to the farm uh uh before you get the haze and you pass Haze there's another one going in at uh 52 and um brain's getting tired on me Co nope Moon Lake going in Mr Bubbles saw it again this morning big S side and you keep on going I mean they're just they're they're everywhere so we talked about we talked about frequency the frequency or the density of where these these things are going so um I'm thinking that might be the solution I don't know there was y'all y'all were getting getting creative uh because I don't think it's the the fact that they are car washes I just think the the frequency of them and where they're at and they're taking up our Prime job creating sites and where we could have something you know a lot more beneficial uh to our residents to our County to our tax pay something that creates a better job versus just people spending money and who knows who knows where it's going so so I appreciate y'all taking the time uh and taking on this exciting subject matter of all the subject matters that we tackle um and so anyway I'll just leave it for commentary commission Shar well I I have always thought that the sighting of um buildings is very important and that's one of the reasons why when they asked me on the school board I was like I don't know anything about teaching but I said oh I'll go on that side of things so I I'm very glad we're addressing this and I look forward to addressing all the sighting of buildings on pads um and I I fine with going forward and and doing what we can to make make these look as appealing as possible since we can't outlaw them I mean I I hear it every day you heard someone today say oh my goodness another car wash we we don't approve what goes in we we just approve what can what the possible range is and the market dictates I don't understand this market for the life of me uh there's no way these are all going to survive but um I will say Tommy out there on 19 if you don't get another one I'm going to switch there is only one Tommy's Car car wash in the county and it's over there by G harbers but it would be nice to have one other one but I and so I guess that's how they're surviving care for what you wish for I just want one I just want one other one but I mean jallow jallow is coming in on every corner um so anyway uh yeah I say I say fix it please quickly Mr rookley yeah I just I appreciate the work y doing on this uh I've heard from a lot of people including you guys about how many car washes we see you go down

the road and it seems like a new one's coming up every time you turn around and um and that would not be happening if people weren't asking for car washes so I mean that demand is there and so if we can lead that to like we did storage units to the backside rather than the front uh it'll be fine as long as we don't see them and use that front for employment generated property so yeah and I I say that's actually a good point because with so many that're out there right now yeah uh now is probably a good time to move them to the back because the there's there's just so many of them out there I think the frequency and I was very happy to hear Terry talk about it last time that the frequency of these coming in maybe it's every mile or so apart from each other or two miles whatever the number may be but I think it's also something el else to go after I like the idea of the changeing the look of them uh so they look better as well so those two things how quick and what we need to do to like start implementing those steps well well we well we can jump on this as soon as you're ready for us to do so I mean we can I think BR back well well Terry Pito planning and development director um we're going to jump on it as soon as we get direction from the board of County Commissioners to begin drafting Land Development code amendments um tenative project timeline includ probably included initial drafts within month and a month to two months from now so um probably visiting Commissioners and speaking about a potential draft by December F that'd be great I mean I think you've got pretty good direction between the location the frequency and the look of how how they are as well um and I think those three things seems like you guys are on to it can can we not accept any uh until you know can we use the moratorium word on uh until you have the new de restriction in place or do that requ if you wish to adopt an ordinance you can create a moratorium an ordinance this is an is this an ordinance no to do a moratorium you have to adopt an ordinance okay and that we we can whip one of those up too but okay I just would you know wish we could hold off on approving I guess you can gently offer a suggestion that they do what our new designs well we will be providing uh any applicants or or prospective applicants with information that there's this discussion that's happened at the board of county commissioner so that they are made aware okay but these are coming in in ukian zoning categories which is site plan approval only pretty much and so we can't do it anyway well you can't if they present a site plan the planning department has to move it forward we can ask pretty pleased yeah well let's get rolling on it quick then yeah okay yeah that works about as good as Boo in the enforcement realm but go ahead okay all right thank you gentlemen for uh already being moving on this as we've heard heard it many times I'm glad

You' you've heard it too so I I'm curious why didn't you bring the other one with it why are we only doing the car washes now why aren't we just doing the other sighting fast food that uh today was going to be a long day in fact we have a budget hearing in about 10 minutes more minutes can we go ahead and just have you guys been briefed on the others plop and drops well there's storage facilities in the plop and drop I've re I've received I've had I'm good to go with the plop drops as well and I don't want you to there's a little more of a comprehensive presentation on that again we just didn't want to wear you out that was really what the I wouldn't mind hearing it real quick speed on that one I mean I wouldn't mind hearing about it because I'm not sure what you're talking about got me drive facilties drive facilties associated with like fast food establishments and financial institutions um we can we were planning to bring back a separate presentation on October the 10th I okay I won't I won't be here but I am in support of it I'll sit in so noted I'll all right I'll be here for you don't same thing we'd be looking for direction it'd be a discussion item so okay so I'll set with the gentlemen thank you very much appreciate it thank you so it's :05 the budget hearing starts at 5:5 do we want to foro any more committee reports or do you want to add to I can do mine I've got just a little bit on M let's try to let's try to do those quick okay uh as I said before and Ralph interrupted me because his item was so important so but the fact of it is I went and spoke at the 911 memorial on U Saturday September 9th with the Roary Club at Wesley Chapel and they do a great job with that Memorial every year um the two Local Heroes they've changed it somewhat made it Local Heroes um responders uh Sheriff's off police officers and U firefighters and things of that nature that they're our Local Heroes and that's who they honored at that time this year we honored uh Trooper uh Steven Turner and Steven Turner actually lives in uh Hernando County but he chased a couple of men into to Pasco County and caught up with him about uh overpass Road and at that point he did a pit maneuver with his car and stopped them stopped their car and in the chase they of course they struck out running and he struck out running behind him he received a gunshot wound to the abdomen um which he survived he was there at at the memorial that day um he uh Within months of healing and all he's back on on the job so these these people that are our First Responders firefighters and all they're always ready to go and ready to do the right thing for the citizens of Pasco County and then of course every one of us know that we lost uh firefighter Jason Tucker and his struggle with cancer uh he also helped a lot with uh helping us get our fire stations uh in better control of the uh El El from a fire and things like that where they clean up better and

their uniforms are changed in certain areas and just more protection for our firefighters and you got to be really thankful for what he did in that area and um I mean he he was a good good firefighter of Pasco County I think he was with us for at least 19 years if I'm not mistaken and he did very well he was a good husband a father and grandfather and um he was a good family man and of course he's part of that firefighter Brotherhood that we all see when they have an award ceremony or whatever you see the Brotherhood of firefighters in Pasco and you got to be Mighty proud of those firefighters doing their work here so but with that that's all I had commission W County attorney well so I'm going to bring up it being adopting the an ordinance but legislature has already passed in to give cities and counties an OP an OP option um I'm going to foro I'll forego the social aspects of my presentation we'll bring that up later uh uh what the state passed to help with affordability for our senior citizens part of our cohort that's struggling with insurance and every all the other inflationary factors in our in our world today and it's important to note and I've worked with property appraiser and a tax collector and the hit is is minimal and I think this is the right thing to do provides up to $50,000 an additional exemption for a person who's 65 and older whose income doesn't exceed 20,000 a year and their home uh has a just value of less than 250,000 and they have to be a permanent resident uh and the owner of that property for at least 25 years so that group of folks is very strong small but that's those are the folks that in my opinion are are are struggling in our in our world right now and uh there's already rules in place from Talahassee and uh if we adopt this in uh as an ordinance we just simple vote I guess and County attorney can shine more detail but I think it's important that we we consider helping a part of our population that that needs it this is what the commissioner is referring to is there was a constitutional amendment that allowed that provided for um 65 years and older um you don't qualify under under under other things on this I qualified until you went to those other parameters but there is a general law that implements that Constitutional Amendment um there are actually are you can adopt one or both of the exemptions which are in in the general law um um but County attorney if if it's the desire of the board the county attorney's office will begin drafting such an ordinance if that's the will of the majority is is there a number of people we're talking about because does that that that money that we going to miss that's going to cause an issue there will be a financial impact I don't the the commissioner has represented that the property appraiser and tax collector don't think it's going to be a significant hit but I don't I

don't know how about if we have them bring back information for us yeah I I it sounds good like to do that it sounds good but I'd like to know the effect financially to the county it be so that would be an administrator's issue yeah and and actually I mean we we we we would tend to agree given the longevity requirement of 25 years of having to have been in the home the income requirements being at I think right about now I think it's probably closer in the 30s low 30s by now with you know inflationary but you know household income does not exceed $20,000 is what's in the general law right that's from 2012 I think there's been adjustments to it do doesn't matter it's still it's it's a low bring it back it sounds low I mean I mean I'm I'm fine doing it in parallel actually if you want to get the ordinance going and then as part of the presentation we can tell you what the fiscal impacts are I agree I think it'll be I I think it'll be low so this is something we can find out that Financial impact tonight I mean it's something you can certainly address with the people this evening if you like but it can't be this has to be it won't come into effect this year it'll have to be the next tax year okay you would have to adopt this by I think it's December 1st um to get it on the 24 I'll say this I'm glad you're bringing it up I think we've had this discussion before but I'm glad I see for members here that are supportive to it I think in light of high insurance cost High inflation if there's ever time this needs to be implemented it' be right now so I I think we need to go do this too so I'm happy to happy to see Bring It Forward I'm glad you bring it for with now thank you chair and thank you board members for your support so so we can put it together for introduction and the administrator can bring back the budget information at that time information and then you can make a decision about whether or not to advertise good call it for today again that's it it's a good it's a good commission starky um first um I'm sorry I missed the fact uh meeting um was in the hospital that's the longest I've ever been in the hospital in my life actually um but commissioner commissioner Mariano I think you went I just go yes and so it probably due to time I'm not going to be able to hear all that went on but I would love um some kind of recap of of uh what what happened um I did attend the groundbreaking for Day Spring Academy of their angelene campus it that land was donated and um they are expecting they they broken they've got the pad there you can see it that's looking towards Landa Lakes Boulevard they expect that to be open NE for school next year so it's going to be interesting to watch I guess with the kind of weather we're having they they may get that done with no rain delays um but good for them um um two two ordinances that I'd like for us to be thinking about um one is the food truck ordinance I

think when we did it we had um the best best of intentions but um I'm not I'm not sure that it's working well for our citizens and our small business community and so uh I'd like I've talked with the staff that wrote it and we have some ideas and they're they want to go maybe do some investigation and maybe make some small tweaks to our food truck ordinance that um makes it um easier for businesses to be in that business but competes fairly with existing restaurants and it's just all about having a Level Playing Field but I think everyone loves food trucks there are a lot of illegal food trucks around the county that you know we're not doing enforcement on um anonymous calls are starting to come in on some and causing some problems and so it's not a Level Playing Field and um I think I think if they come back and visit with you guys each with some ideas and bring it back we can we can improve our food truck ordinance and encourage the incubation of small businesses so without hurting existing businesses also um right now our our um I meant to talk to David Engel about this but I never had an opportunity because they administer a large part of the um tree uh tree mitigation trust fund and right now we cannot use it for housing um you know goes uh our trees are we can plant trees on public land and um yeah uh land at the county owns so I want to suggest that we uh look at being able to put help the affordable housing community when they build a house to grant them money for a tree and we're never going to you know we have a lot of money and we need to get get it out there back into the community and and this could help them as well as they as they build their um build out their projects so uh this would require a tweak in the landscape ordinance so I mean the tree mitigation trust fund rules or whatever I appreciate you bringing this one up this is one here in my district Leisure Beach um the people actually maintain our median they go through they just put new planting in and even though we own the property we've had a hassle getting it through I think we've got it resolved anyway but just to bring it through to be clarity to make it easy for everyone instead of go through a battle to to tweak it I think it's a good time to bring it so if staff can bring that back in the other item commiss Stark asked I think it' be great yeah I there are a lot of places that that we could um benefit from more trees in the community and we have the money so we need to put it to work okay anything else uh that's it okay County Administrator Yes actually on on that I I given it some of the more complications of of spending some of the money I do need board uh I would like to get a uh the board to consider uh waving a a a cost for for actually the the Leisure Beach Community so the Leisure Beach HOA did replace dead and disease trees in a county-owned

easement as part of the Great American cleanup they got their permits uh and fees were previously waved by the boc see um the work was conducted by the HOA and the homeowners in Lou of County maintenance as part of a nationwide day of community service to beautify the communities um the work that they did was clearly intended uh by by the ordinance language regarding the use of tree mitigation funds uh just in terms of programs it kind of Falls as you mentioned commissioner starky there's there's part that oeg maintains and there's parts that PDD actually maintains so I I would like for you to um make a motion to wave the cost of the $3,000 in in fees to be paid for out of the tree mitigation fund um for the Leisure be Beach civic association second all in favor say I I I thank you thank you and the last thing I have and it's just a point of point of order you'll recall that 120 days ago thereabouts we had the discussion of the starky ranch cell tower we said we were going to bring something back in 120 days we did not want the board or the public to necessarily think that item is dead uh we did receive another bid and we're working through those maturations it's just not ready currently but within the next 60 days we'll bring something back to the board or soon as practical uh I just want the public and the board to understand that it's not dead we AR bringing it back and it will be a regular item at a future board meeting okay all right County attorney I don't have anything thank you I do have one thing um so October is domestic violence awareness month and my office serves individuals who come in seeking an injunction against um against violence and we also serve customers coming in um on other sensitive items such as um substance abuse mental health and exploitation of vulnerable adults I've always felt concerned for customers coming in and having to talk about those kind of items in our lobbies you know where others can hear and in situations with um domestic violence the individual coming into our office the Survivor is looking over their shoulder to see if someone's following them in right so I wanted to have a safe place in the office for them to come so in days City we had our grand opening of the empowerment room and I want to thank this board because you all supported that room being being um being built and it will allow an individual to come into a secured room where we will have a um domestic violence advocate there with Sunrise of Pasco we have a a little kids zone so a lot of times the um survivors coming in with little ones so they'll have a little safe place while their parent can talk um about some serious business and fill out the tremendous paperwork that needs to be done in order for them to get to a better day um we also have my team will be in there um we will be helping those with um mental health substance abuse and exploitation of vulnerable adults uh we have a lot of security wrapped around that room so those that are in the room don't have to worry and um I just want to say it was

it it's something that came to fruition and I'm so excited and happy about it and I want to give a shout out and a big thank you to um three of your team members who really did a fantastic job on that room and if you are in the Robert suer judicial Center I'd love for you to come in and I'd be happy to show you the room I'm very proud of it and the work that your team has done um I want to thank um George Shin t uh TJ pych and also Bob am Bergie you have some amazing professionals on your team they are knowledgeable they are really experts in that in this field and they did so much work coordinating with all the contract ctors and I just want to say thank you it was a very big success excellent thank you very good I'll just show one item uh I'll talk about F they next meeting but just as commissioner starky had it up and um cranes R is a pro program that they've been doing up at Altimont Springs they just signed up for a a three-year pilot I'll get you the details later on it but it's designed to get people from point A to point B as a free service to go uh to help shuttle people around so I'll get that to you later on um can you show the picture I put so I was behind this one this is what uh St Pete Beach and I don't know which municipalities have this um but it's called freebies on the beach and um you just download that app in penel county and they'll come pick you up pick you up your house and take you to the beach or wherever you want to go so it's these are this is a great program so much cheaper than some of those big buses for that last mile I I I love that we can get into this and I'm sure there's grants available all right so maybe you can get us presentation between at the no for this project as well as the cranes cranes rides project and kind of bring bring those ideas out to us okay so Mike we're going to start our meeting do you want to take a quick quick break to get the paperwork set up or we ready to go I mean I they would probably I mean I don't know minut break Eric I think five minutes would be good I have budget time to set up so 527 we'll start the uh 5:15 meeting l [Music]

this is the final public hearing to adopt the fiscal year 2024 budget for the board of County commissioners of Pasco County Florida Citizens will provide an opport opportunity to speak during the public comment portion of the hearing does the clerk have proof of publication yes sir proof of publication in the Tampa Bay Times on Sunday September 17 2023 in accordance with the Florida statute 2000.0 65 the first issue to be discuss discussed is the recommended millage rates and the percentage changes from the roll back rates Mr gor actually if I may before I bring Mr gorg up Mike carbal County Administrator I just wanted to give the board just I want to thank the board and I want to thank the public and and our budget team for for the amount of involvement that has gone into this process and I want to assure you the board as well as the public that uh this is you know getting to this point is is actually a a quite uh quite long trail if you will you know we begin some departments begin as early as November in terms of planning for their their their future budgets um formally in January we make the budget calls to um to the various departments and and during that period of time of January and February uh they're they're essentially established a baseline budget right so they they they receive no no more money than what they had received last year removing a lot of one-time expenses and so being forced to kind of justify any type of increase whether it's for inflation or for personnel costs that come along the way uh during that time they they also bring forward what we call business plan initiatives or bpis if you will these are just a slew of great new ideas uh of of what our departments and our folks want to bring forward is just improvements to to service and levels of service uh these are vetted through in terms of total life cycle costs so sometimes there's Vehicles sometimes there's equipment uh and things that all have to be built built into these into these costs and then during the February and March time frame our assistant County administrators and directors are working very hard to kind of scrub those numbers down uh come the uh April and May time frame our our budget team starts to look at look at what's coming in and this and the budget becomes more and more baked and then I get the first look at it and then in this particular case we had a workshop and we we discussed a lot of good things we discussed bpis we discussed uh things that were happening uh in in fire rescue and at that point we we bring forward a recommended millage which you will adopt to put on to the truth the truth and millage statements right or the trim as we call it um the fire mstu process obviously when we go into to this we're we're looking at the general operating Village to remain flat and it's it's been wonderful that this board has kept that number flat for several years I probably even by the time I want to say

it's probably been eight or nine years Bob that the general operating Mill has remained flat but the fire mstu millage um had not been looked at for probably a good good since 2016 so another another almost another eight years with that um and it was after looking at the insolvency of that fund given the unprecedented growth that we've had as well as the our desire to attract and retain the best talent in our fire fire service that uh we we decided that we needed some action to take place and by insolvency I'm talking that we're spending more than what we're taking in and after we went through a number of processes um including hiring a new fire chief uh I really believe that we have we have really squeezed a lot down in terms of of the uh of the fire mstu budget um you know we recall we started at about a 2.3 uh millage increase that's what went out on the trims um Chief Perez came in made some additional reductions and looked at wants versus needs and truly the budget that we were left with looking at really is the budget that's required to pay for Manning and outfitting new fire stations as well as being competitive uh in in terms of retaining and attracting uh fire firefighter Talent uh pay and and other and other types of benefits um Bob will get through the details of it but we we have come back we we heard the public we heard the pain and the things that we going forward and I think it's great that the board took some action earlier today on on an ordinance uh to to provide some relief but um I'm Bob will get to the details of it but we're prepared to come down off of that we think that A Five-Year Plan for fire rescue is is is appropriate at a 2.15 9 mill so we're we're we're we're trying to move the needle in in in the right way and I think that kind of planning actually provides provides for the future of fire rescue so with that I'm just going to ask Bob to kind of come up it's it's presentation that U that I think you've seen before but I just wanted to let you know that we do scrub this um in fact actually and I forgot to mention I'm sorry during the summer I did go back with the acas and scrub these budgets even further uh to make sure that we stayed within targets and actually we we probably across all funds moved over $ 13.5 million out of those operating funds and budgeted and made sure that they were in reserves so that way our balances were were were correct and and uh you know again trying to be good stewards of the taxpayer dollars so Mr gorg I'll let you start with your presentation and obviously when if we go through the board has any questions we'll go ahead commissioner St have question you and this is just to set the table as well because I recall conversations with you when we started the budget process and as we were going through it that um you know when we first were looking at opportunities in the different departments for long pass du projects um that that with the money that we're getting the new money say you want to

say new money um that inflation has greatly diminished what we're going to be able to do so you didn't touch on that no no Mr gorg will touch on it in his presentation but yes you you are correct in inflation even though we saw an an increase in our taxable assessed values probably 2third of those of those monies as well as other you know that new money was eaten up in terms of inflationary costs um and and I think also what you see is is a result of our lack of diversification in our tax base as well the rooftops in terms of what they demand in Services versus you know how those how those rules apply in terms of Taxation um don't always fully cover the costs and so I think it's great that the board is is is is looking to preserve our industrial lands and our job creating um um properties and and continues to promote and be a business-friendly environment and that's still a very very fervent goal and and priority of mine is to continue that um but yes uh inflation aided up um and and again Mr gorg has a lot of good details that I think will be um enlightening and we'll get to Mr gor just a second I want to add a couple of things too and Mike I want to say um you're a great listener but you're even a better Doer um the board spoke pretty clearly and what the concerns were the public had some input that we looked at and I want to say uh I'm so happy to have Chief Perez on our team now because you know sometimes a fresh set of eyes makes a big difference and with the energy he had I can't tell you how excited he was when we were talking about the things he found how we could make some cuts and go through um and this County seen the the the negative effects when the economy dropped back in 0708 and the effects that it had when we had to cut our Parks 30% libraries 30% we had to put fees in for simple Parks going through and just a lot of other cuts that were in there that was set us back quite a ways and when you lose money over year after year the things you're normally investing in to go through it creates a backlog and I think the citizens spoke very strongly on the go bonds going through when they said look we want to get our parks and libraries back up to where they should be so much as we're a county we act actually more like a city City because we represent 91% of everything that's in Pasco County so these people that have I think have come in is completely different from years ago when they came um they wanted to cut cut cut now they're saying you know what I got a family I'm raising I want to be able to take them to a park and get them on a field I don't want to live in Wesley Chapel and have to drive to Trinity or vice versa to get my kids going to a park I don't want to be stuck in traffic for 45 minutes while I'm trying to go what used to be a 5minute drive is now a 45-minute drive call it Wesley Chapel and wherever Trinity as well sometimes so all these things that we've done I think have caught us are catching us back up we're not even there yet and all the years of not changing that fire

mstu it it it cut into what would be reserves or Pro uh projects we can go do and I think last year and the year before the firefighters were at many many public meetings talking about how they were unhappy and I think we listened very closely to them and Mike you did a phenomenal job adding those things in but again with Chief coming back back in to get it from a 2.3 trim uh to a 2.95 is a major achievement and it does mean that instead of having a 10-year plan um we're going to probably back in five years if we keep to that number if we go any lower we could be back in two years three years depending on how far we go but I think it's so important for our citizens that have requested they want a high quality of life they wanted to have these uh times to to get service going down especially once life or death I mean we saw a great present a today from the the from the young ladies at anot where they saved a life what that must have felt like well the last thing I want to do is have one of these paramedics firefighters get to a scene get there a couple of minutes late and not be able to save a life we don't want that so if it means we got to make this step I think our people have spoken very clearly that's what they want out of Pasco County and I will tell you as a board member that was here when we made the word we want to be premere this is what it's going to take to get us there and I think with Mike you with your leadership sh CH Perez the future is bright but it's going to take this board to stand together and support our fire fire paramedics and everything else we're doing Bob thank you County budget director Mr chair with your permission I'd like to go through some slides that we' prepared earlier please your mic's not off is that better by by the way as you get started um we've had the four Commissioners here for the day but I I believe commissioner Bradford is on the line commissioner Bradford you with us I am sir I'm very happy that you're doing well I uh we greatly appreciate you being here thank you yes sir so the purpose of this evening's meeting is to set the the uh millage and the budget for the fiscal year 2024 uh budget year this is the second and final public Hearing in which we're going to set these so just give you a highlight of what's Happening here so we're recommending no change in the general uh millage rate of 7.67 and as you're aware under the save our homes provisions of the Florida Constitution the taxable assess values of a single family home or Homestead of properties cannot increase by more than 3% or the rate of inflation whichever is less and so this year the rate of inflation given to us by the state is 65% and so folks taxable ass value on their homesteaded properties won't increase by more than 3% taxable values on non-homesteaded properties cannot increase by more than 10% and so this year since the taxable assess values increased by 16% those properties won't

have their assess values increased by more than 10% and so as an example of this if you have a homesteaded property and the typical uh property here in Pasco County is about $147,000 and so we just use 15 $50,000 to make the math simple if you're homesteaded with $150,000 property you subtract the 50,000 homesteaded exemptions and your property tax bill would increase by about $22.8 and that increas is because the value of your property increased not because there was a change in the millage rate and likewise if you're have a homesteaded property we're not subtracting those $50,000 for that homestead exemption and so your property taxes would increase by $114 and11 now for the folks at home that's uh that increase of $22 or that increase of $114 that's for every $100,000 of assessed value of your home so Bob safe to say if you're in a $300,000 house yes sir with everything we've got in the budget the way it's set right now your property tax for homesteaded property already existing is only going up $45 exactly yes thank you so for those folks who are at home and are looking at their tax tax bill and they're saying wait a minute my taxes increased by more than 10% we wanted to point out some tidbits here for reading the trim notice you'll notice the big takeaway here is that for the school districts there is no cap on the increase in your taxable assess value so for the county if you look at your trim notice you'll see a line for County and a line for Ms fire those are cap at at 10% increase where you go down a little bit and you'll see on your trim notice where it says Public Schools there's no 10% cap on the millage rate or I'm sorry there's no 10% cap on the tax will assess value for the school district so the the millage that is going to be applied to that property value is going to be the market value of that home and this year we know it's much more than 10% at 16% this year and so if we look at this the cap on the home as we said is 3% or the rate of inflation whichever is less and you can see here only three times since 2009 had has that actually been 3% right so 2012 2022 and of course 2023 they've been above 3% and so you see many of those years it's actually less than 1% so the tax bill set value on homes increased by less than 1% and if you do the math that means the revenues coming to the county increased by very little so this is a information from the Florida Tax watch and you look here we look at the total property tax levied and we normalize this data by uh using the per every $1,000 of personal income for this fisal year fcal year 22 sorry 2022 and 2023 Pasco County is 45th out of 67 counties and so for every $1,000 of income Pasco County charges about $23 for property taxes and that is for all property taxes within our district and so that's for school taxes County taxes fire MST all of those you'll notice we are considerably less than the Statewide average of $33 and we're below

all of our neighboring jurisdictions and we have no cities exactly we have no cities we're doing this without our cities yeah right A lot of these have a have a u a tax for their cities so if you're in St Peter or Tampa or something like that so where do your property taxes go you'll see 43% goes to the county 133% goes to the fire department through the fire Municipal Services taxing unit uh 2% goes to the voter approved General obligation bonds and then 39% goes to the school board so if we look at the tenative budget the tenative budget increased 5% over last year the big uh reason for that increase is through the capital plan and so a lot of this is of course through the fourth burner for the for the waste energy plant which was just approved at the last meeting and other kinds of public infrastructure uh activities is the main reason for these increas increases so one of the questions that folks have asked me since the September 5th meeting is property taxes or the taxable assess values went up and youall are getting all this money what are you doing with all that money and so right off the top we take 40% of that off at the top and that goes to the sheriff department because just as the the demand for our services are increasing the demand for sheriff is also increasing so the sheriff of that money we get right off the top 20 million goes to the sheriff and you'll see a lot of the other things on this list can can I say something that it used to be 50% yes but we took the jail back from the sheriff so that 10% is now plus more is now now we're take now we're doing the jail out of our general fund so absolutely thank you and we're also this year there's 10 new sheriff deputies on there as well not that's separate from his normal contribution yes and so what commissioner Mariano is alluding to here is the 10 shares deputies down there for $1.75 million that the sheriff came to the board and said he having trouble with recruiting retaining officers and the board decided to give an additional $1.7 million above the 40% to allow the sheriff to hire 10 more deputies we consider most of the things on this list as must pays a lot of these things on the list the county really doesn't have much choice in paying right so the state sets the retirement rates they change the retirement rates this year and that of course causes an increase to us of $3 million health insurance we talked about inflation earlier inflation's hitting health insurance just says it's hitting all the others commissioner starky talked about our Corrections Department so you can see the the contracts in our Corrections departments are are uh expiring and so as a result we've increased that those contracts by about 15% we don't believe that's going to be enough but just for the budgeting purposes we put in 15% obviously we'll pay what they are but that's another 2. 8 million you notice an important initiative to this board was homelessness was trying to do something to end homelessness and so we set aside

$1 million in the next year's budget in order to get that underway so here's some outside funding so this is funding that goes to agencies other than the county most of these are required by us by the state that we don't have any choice in paying and some of the others are things that the has decided that they want to contribute to to help the board achieve its Mission and you see the things that have changed is Medicaid so in order for the state to balance its budget it is asked has asked the counties to share in the cost of Medicaid so that increases $300,000 which most years it's actually more than that so we feel fortunate it's only $300,000 Pasco kids they provide uh medical medical examinations for kids that are uh suspected of being the subject of of abuse and they've asked for $1 19,000 additional dollars this year and then finally United Way we haven't increased the amount of money we've given to United Way since 2015 and they've asked for an increase this year and so we've increased that by 85,000 so your Capital Investments for 2024 here's the things we've talked about all these things before but we are investing in in our Capital infrastructure to make sure that in the long run that these things are going to be in good shape and they don't cost more money in the future uh to fix so for example the facilities so our building Renovations so we've got 500 or so buildings in the county that the county owns so we're contributing $5 million towards the repair of those it hardware and software we all know about cyber security and so we need to invest $1.4 million towards cyber security to keep this this area safe and then you'll notice on the bottom there are some other kinds of capital projects that we're going to be doing in the upcoming year 20 24 constitutional officer budget recommendations and so we're recommending these increases that you see on the screen as we talked about before the sheriff increase of 40% of the new income is 15% increase for the sheriff the clerk and comp controller's office uh that increase is due mainly to the kinds of Health Care wage increases and retirement increases that we're seeing on the board side plus we've set aside some additional money for the clerk and contr Controllers Office office to invest in its criminal justice and information systems software Supervisor of Elections office you'll see that increase next year is the there will be actually two primaries next year the presidential preference library library presidential preference election and then the other election for for local officials in August so our change in major funds these are the funds that we consider to be our major funds the general fund increasing 133% we talked about those so there's additional capital projects there there's increases to retirement Health Care all those kinds of good things we see our transportation trust fund increases and those are for Road

repairs things like that you'll notice the increase in our Fire Department fire mstu and we'll talk about that in a little bit and then storm water has increased by about 4% and that's because they had some large projects they were working on last year those are completed and so we don't need to carry them forward this year so the fire mstu increase has been Mr carbal mentioned before we haven't increased the fire MST millage since 2016 we believe if we don't change the millage rate for the fire department that that fund will become insolvent in 2024 in other words there there will be more outlays than revenues coming in and so for that reason we recommend a mill rate of 2159 and you'll notice most folks on their trim notice that uh millage that's shown on their trim notice is 2.3 Ms whereas to come off of that 2.3 mil rate to 2.59 at the last hearing the board asked us to look at a 5year planning Horizon and that's what we've done here and that 2.59 keeps that fund solvent for an additional five years the reason we're asking for this increase in millage as Mr Cala said was we wanted to address two issues the first ones of those was there's just growth in the county and there's growing demand for services and we'll show you that demand in just a little B B and it's important that we recruit we're able to recruit and retain those qualified firefighters that we need to keep them here in the county so let's talk about calls for service so these are the calls for service uh the blue is EMS the red is fire you'll notice since 2015 the number of calls for service has increased from about 65 EMS is are the ambulances call yes ma'am okay just for the public thank you so since 2015 the calls for service has increased from about 65,000 to over 990,000 and it's interesting that you'll note our EMS service or our ambulance service is actually the third busiest EMS service in the state and that's all counties all cities so response time this is the thing that's most important to you if you're calling for an ambulance the response time from the time that call hits 911 to the time the ambulance goes up in your front door if it's under 10 minutes is that gray bar underneath and you can notice that that's been substantially increasing if it's 10 to 15 minutes you'll see the orange and if it's over 15 minutes you'll notice that that's that blue that blue bar so 40% 47% of all calls to Fire and for our ambulance are actually coming in at more than 10 minutes so we talked about retaining uh qualified firefighters there's a cost to the county of firefighters coming here we train the firefighters and then in two three years they go to another jurisdiction and so we look at the cost of this and since 2020 the cost of bringing these employees here recruiting them training them Etc cost the county about $4.7 million and this is looking at our retention and our turnover in the fire

department you'll notice that in 2022 is that very large bar there and if you look at that the the gray piece in in the middle those are the folks who are resigning and couple reasons folks give us for resignations is they can make more money and work Less hours in other jurisdictions and so these are the kinds of things that we would like to prevent with this increase in the millage so that we can increase the pay for our firefighters as well as do some other things that decreases the stress of our firefighters so the initiatives that we're talking about for fiscal year 24 and Beyond in that 5year time Horizon we are negotiating now for a wage increase in a step plan for our Union Partners we will be opening stations two and four soon and on the horizon we are looking at at least five more stations will be needed after we complete stations two and four mental health for First Responders is very uh important as we found out during the latest hurricane here this rapid diver program is an important program and we plan on wrapping that up Ems supervisors and SWAT medic and so the SWAT medic program is very important to our Sheriff uh future ladder companies I believe we have one ladder company now then for the entire County we'd like to add another at least one more ladder company for that and then as I talked about earlier this workload stress and overtime reduction initiative so this is the action that we're recommending no change to the Esco County operating which is would be the general millage that is is on folks trim notice the County Fire municiple mstu millage we are recommending an increase from 1.8 to 2.59 and then the rest of those what you see down below those are all the uh voter approved General obligation bonds and all of those millage rates have deined with the exception of the the last two there the the jail for 2021 and then the Parks and Rec creation one for 2022a and with that that's all I have I'd be happy to answer any questions you might have okay any questions for Bob um thank you so can you say why those two didn't decline compared to the others just what are the reasons for that so the reason they didn't decline was those are new bonds and in the first year of a bond we pay interest only and then the second year of the bond which both of these are we're paying interest and principal thank you we didn't change anything that's correct we didn't change a thing okay any questions comments commission wait thank you chair this your last one before retiring this is it sir told me I had to everybody this is the budget B's last last budget hearing so I'm glad there's a there's a crowd here for him so you go to the you mentioned and this was mentioned last budget hearing to Florida Tax watch We're ranked 45th so does that mean we're more efficient in our spending does that mean like how how's this how's this rank compared to

others um you know because this could be interpreted several several ways absolutely so please go into detail on the ranking system on here and what that mean if that's possible I'm sure a piece of that is that we tend to be more efficient than others and a piece of that also is that we just for so long we haven't increased our tax rates and you can see that that that's kind of Haunting us at this point now so we don't have really if we open the we don't have the money to open the five new stations that the fire department says that we need and so I think for a very long time the county was reticent to increase that tax rate and so you can see example of that here oh you mentioned station the vast majority of this increase is going to go to wages correct correct yes so as we get further into this discussion a breakdown of you know how this money is going to be spent would be appreci at least from from my chair so we're talking about wages plus we're talking about for each one of these Fire Stations of the fire mstu that's two $2.9 million that it would take to staff that fire station so there's two fire stations there so that's about $6 million needed just to just to staff those two fire stations and then would you talk about adding five more gets to be big money pretty soon Bob I think we need to talk about the the raises and the step increases too so with our raises what we're trying to do is remain competitive with our neighboring jurisdictions so Hillsboro and penel is primarily Tampa at St feet and so we need to keep our wages competitive so what we're trying to do is maintain a wage rate that's 95% of the Hillsboro wage rate and so that's that's what's driving that increase in the in the salaries can you go back to the chart that showed the turnover rate absolutely um you know years ago commissioner Wen we were we were struggling with keeping deputies and the sheriff and his team came to us and they said look we're losing them bad a chart very similar to this right here we're losing these people to to other counties to the South and all around us um so we had to find a way to get them so we put a three-year plan together because we couldn't afford to do it in one shot so a three-year plan together we put the raises up for all the deputies and that stemmed that for several several years so we did very well with that we're facing the same thing with fire and as much as call volume with Sheriff deputies by Ling Etc this is even more dramatic as far as the effect goes um if you losing these people and you're going to have less people working you're going to have less people for calls call volume is going to continue to go up and we don't people don't want to see that this is a way to try to eliminate that this retention program is is a big thing we've got to be competitive I mean we've got 5% raises for our our other team members we did step raises from them from years before to make sure they were in line so we didn't lose good people and we've got a lot of great people working here this is to do the same

thing we're trying to keep the people and not throw away money by having to take over all these resignations commission sty um I'm going to ask our administrator a question that he that I didn't ask him to prepare for so hopefully you can swing in on this one um and I recall this from the school board uh so a lot of our money that's in our budget is in are in it's in silos um for example when people walked in here I was talking about the tree mitigation trust fund that is a pot of money that developers pay into when they clear the land and they take trees out we find them and they have to pay into a fund that allows us to put trees back in back into the community that is not money we can use for anything else but putting trees back into the community um gas tax money potholes you know it's restricted in its Lane um so can you talk about what are general fund funds what comes out of that very important pot of money certainly so as you as you correctly point out we have a number of restricted funds if you will some are Enterprise funds for example utility rate payer dollars can only be spent on utility rates those are huge portions of the budget same with solid waste as Mr G pointed out some of the larger capital projects are funded through through public infrastructure your general fund is sort of your least restrictive source of Revenue correct it is it can be spent pretty much on on what you can legally spend money on in this particular case I would say that you have probably about five main areas where the majority of your general fund dollars go not not not with counting reserves I'm just talking from an operational perspective uh the sheriff um is is a large percentage so Public Safety there uh the portion of the fire rescue budget that is not funded through the mstu the rescue portion um so approximately a third of the fire budget is funded through the general fund now that we have the jail uh Corrections is funded primarily through the general fund and then you've probably got libraries and Parks as your major maor major users of general fund dollars and then I would say there's a smattering of of operational costs that you might see in some of our overhead departments but we have an internal cost allocation model where we make sure that restricted funds pay for the support services that those that those areas of General government provide so our development department is pretty much funded by developer fees for the most part the answer is yes in those areas where those fees are insufficient or restricted by law or Statute in which case then they are subsidized by the general fund as well um Animal Services yes Animal Services is a municipal that comes out of the 102 fund and so there's it's it's they they do have some fees that they generate but then those that don't cover their costs are subsidized by the general fund so am I missing any that are in certain silos that

um building fee permits or or other things that building fee permits are used to pay for those types of things I mean there's there's a we've hit a lot of the large ones STM water utility yeah so the utility department not everybody in the county is a member of Pasco County Utilities um but they also do storm water um Road repair correct what else comes out of there uh we have so I mean just just kind of going down the list here right so public infrastructure has storm water Public Works is primarily funded through gas tax as well as you have a tiff a a a tax increment financing District over the entire County uh which takes advantage of the growth in in in the county to fund Transportation so approximately 30% of that goes into Transportation related activities and it's generally split between your Engineering Services Department for uh subsidizing your Mobility fees so when you offer subsidizes subsidization for your Mobility fees on on development that goes in to make up the difference uh your public transport your public transits it provides a lot of the funding and matches that are required on the federal grants to fund your your your bus system and then the remainder goes to fund Public Works I can tell you that those sources of funding are are strained as with gas taxes as Vehicles become more more and more fuel efficient even though we're driving more miles and putting more wear and tear on roads uh the revenues on on those are are very restricted and we are the is it the 12th largest county in the state are we 11th or 12th I do not know of either 11th 11th or 12th 11th we are the fifth largest County government um because 90 what 94% of our County lives in the unincorporated part of Pasco County yes we are primarily unincorporated so um commissioner waitman you were saying how could we be 42nd on that list this county has has been very very careful with this money um when I was first elected we had one mowing team to mow the rights away in Pasco County and then we got two and we might have three um but we have grown very slowly and very carefully and I know commissioner Mariana when you were on the board um during the Gallagher times and uh and another runup of property value Pasco County was one of the counties in the state that rolled its millage back and rolled it back dramatically too far too far in other counties and cities that didn't um well the legislature came in and said hey you're making all this money and you're not rolling your taxes back boom we're going to do save our homes and you can no longer increase anything more than 3% and Pasco County had a very low millage rate and no no businesses at the time so so we slashed the parks we slashed the libraries we closed libraries we went through I was on the school board then we were cutting teachers right and left and it it was a very dark time in the county and we have

slowly slowly we're not we're still not out of what we did to ourselves you're you're correct there in fact that you may have seen on the capital the non-recurring side the million dollars that we have been putting forward into basically it's deferred Parks maintenance and again that's just to try to keep up to your point we literally have had people come to us who were running the Little League field in Dade City commission wait minutes before your time it was like three years ago you might have been playing and told us that our maintenance was was yeah you might have been playing there was was so bad on our little league fields that they were turning the lights on and off at the field with a with a 8 foot 2x4 so that they didn't get electrocuted they were literally using a long piece of wood to flip the lights on and off so um thank you for that Park Bond because that's how we fix some of those things but um just a little history of the challenges of what we do and um trying to balance having a great place to live with keeping it very affordable and we make that we make those decisions every day and I will I will say live living through that when I first got ahead the economy was booming we were flying things were going great um and when the economy crashed because we're just such a bedroom community is is part of the impetus why this board has been I think so strong to like trade jobs every step of the way the problems of of not having the the right funding in place for your parks for your libraries for your firefighters for the sheriff was was really hurtful for all of us and when I see kids struggle as far as like parents saying my kids's growing up and I can't go play or they got to travel a long ways to get there or they can't afford to do things and when we had no reserves to speak of um I think between new leadership coming in kind of push those reserves how important they are and think about it the the reserves we have only cover us for 60 days that's correct so think about if that hurricane had come and hit us where it was supposed to hit right in the heart of Tampa if that storm surge was 6 to 9 ft we would have been without money we would have been devastated along the way this protection we've dealt with the reserves has been very fiscally strong it's been great for our bond ratings to keep us solid so that if we do ever decide now we're trying to go out in this market to go borrow money that we are for for the Wiregrass Fields coming up but being this strong and solid is putting us in a great position for the future and everything we do has been I think very responsible and I will tell you from years ago you know when you were probably working for speaker Weatherford there was a different different realm out there the realm out there was cut cut cut cut cut but I'm going to tell you from the people here when you go look at they're voting in penny for Pasco three times now focus on economic development focus on environmental lands uh focus on the

sheriff and and and fire to have vehicles uh all these things that they want to have in in their in in their County the go bonds I mean I never pushed the go bonds whatsoever I thought it was out there I thought Bob did a great job the team did getting it out there so people would see it we didn't spend any money we didn't do any promoting we never even talked about it on the de and that thing passed because people here are different what they were back in 04 to 0708 they want to see things people have moved down up north they're not used to living in a county they're used to live in Incorporated areas and when they come to from an incorporated area up North down to here they're used to these services and they've said they wanted them so I think as someone who I consider myself a conservative I've listened to what the people have told me that what they' wanted because I serve them commissioner Mar I I I have one more story and I know I know y'all have heard me say this I think once before but to me it's very telling so I've lived in the county for 32 years um I raised four kids here so I moved here in 92 or 93 um I was a youth coach for 25 years my husband and I all all four my kids played Sports in those 32 years here the only ball fields that we've added west of CA Parkway was starky Ranch District park in 32 years we have added one softball field is there one or two there maybe two um a couple multi- multiports uh fields and a baseball field and we're still trying to build we had to borrow $8 million to build the other fields we have a new Little League team a new little league franchise or whatever they're called uh that has no Fields they we we beg Little League don't Charter them because they have there's no place for those kids to play Little League there has not been a Little League field added that I know of West of col well in the county since I've been here I mean maybe Wesley Chapel District park has a little Le complex I don't even know so we have a little leag Charter or group they cannot play because their fields are going to be built in Bexley when we get the money um so we we have challenges up here and our kids want to play so I think that's why this board pushed is we talked earli about impact fees and I'm proud of all of you especially when they talk about cutting it back for affordable housing we said no anybody coming in here needs to pay those fees for the kids to play sports so commission waitman well y'all were looking at me you're the one well you're the you're the end you're the oneford in here yeah so you know you bring up wire grass Ranch Fields that's happened because this County couldn't get its act together and become a compliance over the last three years so I didn't find that that statement Fair that's a man that's a that's a management issue from the past did I say w grass and that

w we we'll get there we're having a discussion first and when we talk about I'll just make General comments because I'm pretty consistent on where where I've been talking about new sports Fields new opportunities for kids to play for parents to take their kids go do something well we're in a very expensive world can these parents afford to sign their kids up to play on the sports Fields can they afford the cleats can we afford to get the the the food on the table all of it together because inflationary at the grocery store is through the roof quiet please and everything and and it I know I keep beating this drum everybody in our County and in our state right now is taking a haircut on every aspect of their lives especially now that property insurance has doubled and tripled on folks and then Qui it please you know we raise our general taxes there's a path there's just a pass through more and more more on to the consumer if folks keep more money in their pocket they're more apt to go and spend it to buy cleats to buy food at the grocery store to get a milkshake after a ball game whatever they need that's what keeps our businesses open and our economy thriving it's not the government's job to ensure how you know things move on if we need to dip into Reserve to give people a break so they can get through 12 months I'm all for it so you know a lot of I hear what everybody's saying I appreciate the history lessons we're in a very odd time we have such a disparity chairman you mentioned all the new folks coming here the new folks are coming here with a pile of money in their pocket my kids are sixth generation in this County and there's other people who've been here a long time too we're not the folks that have been here like all of us and we talked about this the last meeting we can't keep up with the new dollar that's here and it's not anybody's fault it's not the fault of the the the Florida folks who've been here the Pasco folks who've been here and it's not the fault of the folks who decided to move here to escape whatever kind of crazy environment they've been living in and they saw the light so we're lopsided and please and so when we go through this process the true saying of we need to figure out growth to pay for growth and not have all the folks and the business that have weathered the storm through thick and thin in our County to have to pay for all the new folks that are coming in and it's now that statement probably won't be solved here today but moving forward I think it's a statement of hey we got fiscal year after this one this is my first one what a ride so it's it's it's setting a new a new a new a new bar of how to manage folks money and anyway I just measured approaches I've never not said we didn't need to help certain departments in our

County I've said measured increases but when we have other governments that are in our County taking big bites and the timing of all of this hurt and when we talk about Parks this this board is talking about a solution for Parks so Parks we we'll figure that out next cycle through a potential Ms mstu same with our roads there's solutions to all of these problems it's all in the timing of when we execute these but I am fully in favor of figuring out a way to keep money in our folks Pockets our seniors thank you board for supporting the uh I don't know I forgot the formal name of it my brain's tired but given given our folks who who who struggle that help them keep their home earlier today uh and so as we go through this this this process I'm anxious to hear what people say and just please keep in mind that people out there are making decisions every day based on their interest rates their new mortgage rates folks that have moved here their taxes have reset they may not have realized whmo they you know whoa surprise 12 months being in Florida they thought one thing it's another here comes a hurricane that hits on top you know and there's still a whole another quarter out there with homeowners insurance that's going to come that people haven't got their renewal notices of what that's going to be so I'm very sensitive to these these cost that are on all the folks who are living and choosing to live here I appreciate the advocacy of this board and in the history behind it but I'm fiercely passionate about finding a way in our in our small way as a government of the of the little bit of money that we control that we find a way to take a haircut and give people some level of relief at least say we can try we can try for 12 months and thank you chairman for your time thank you cling Please Mr Oakland yes sir I've been here 78 years and I've worked through a lot of things through this County and living here and working here my entire life I spent 51 years in my my Citrus business which I no longer have because it became a fact that you couldn't have citrus in in our part of Florida but the fact of it is I feel for these people that have the all the these higher inflation and expenses but a part of what happens when you have a economy that starts changing the way it's going instead of going down it's going back up and booming because so many people are wanting to be here with with this happening in this area they want to live here too we I think we've got the best thing in the world here in Pasco County and a best place to live but it's still it it's hard hard we've been a rural community for a long time and a lot of that's changing but we still need to pay attention to our citizens and our monies and the way we spend them during Co which was not very good times around here but during coid when I came on board seven years ago we had 20 million or 20 years of deferred maintenance on Parks and libraries and things of this nature during Co we were able uh Keith Wy was able to take his team because

they were not using the fields and actually redo a lot of fields during that time and brought a lot of that maintenance back up to par now those things should have happened never gone 20 years being deferred at all but we don't do we can't make decisions for those Commissioners that came before us we came after but we had those issues and we we pretty much have been attacking those issues all along I'm going to tell you something in the outcry of our citizens has been we need better response times we need more time to service our citizens to bring uh better coverage for our fire and EMS and things nature in our County and we've been working hard on doing that and finding ways to do that and for I believe it's uh over eight years we haven't raised any of these taxes or or mage and so we've been doing it scraping everything we could to get things done and it's been working but you're talking about response times of 20 minutes or more we don't need those kind of response times we need to take care of our firefighters and give them a home in between fire stations there we're having a infill of fire stations in between other fire stations that are cutting those 20 minute times down to 5 and 10 minutes and that's what we have to have and we have to continue doing that we put this issue I think it was 5 years ago that we had the bond issues uh had those Bond issues we put those out there for our citizens to vote on we didn't do the voting we allowed them to vote whether we wanted fire libraries and things of the the bond issues to take care of these things and there was even one one item on there which I would have thought would pass was an additional $50,000 deduction on on your homeowner property that you would get that extra break that one failed but for fire uh fire stations Building 55 stations and all the raise uh monies for our firefighters to have those all those things pass the Detention Center over here that we have here Atlanta lakes that passed but inflation hit us from in that process we were supposed to build a, 000 bed unit to go on the det Detention Center we had fact of it is inflation has so hard during that building cycle in the last couple of years that we were only able to provide 500 additional homes we pay I believe it is 2.7 million a year to send those detention uh people that that need to be housed here we have to send them up here to uh Hernando County and it's either Hernando or something Hernando yeah and it cost $2.7 million for us to do that so we were trying to provide the housing for them here without having to go through that big expense but there's only enough money to go around and we've kept taxes down for a very long time and I care about our citizens and I I think they speak out to us that that they've actually spoke to us about fire station they want more fire stations they want better response to these things the problem would not coming up and I understand this is money because it always takes money to do what

we need for services that always cost money uh the fact of it is if we um don't do this and we have fire stations that are not put in the right place as we have the growth coming and the growth is coming if we don't put them in between these other stations give better coverages it's not going to be on me for not not wanting to provide better services for the farm and wages and and equipment and the right stations in the right place because someone's going to die and the problem I have with that I don't want that on my my watch anybody die because we can't get there in time we need to cover that we need to do that for our citizens and that's what it's about I I've came a a member of this board when the citizens reached out voted for me to put me on this board not for me to decide my wants whatever but to listen them and then come back and provide the right services for our citizens and we have the best citizens in in the world I think without without a doubt and we have probably the best place in the world to live right here in Pasco County and and for that reason right there people want to be here and they're coming so it's a shame that their coming has to cause a lot of the expenses and uh price of uh items and housing and all of these things to increase but that's that's the way life is that's the way it goes when want more people want it commissioner moano I'd just like to exp yeah I'm done thank you Mr I just want to explain what this graph is um and this is from the 2021 fiscal year here uh board members this is the graph of that shows impact fee the impact fees collected uh around the state um since since this chart was done we just did a massive increase in the Parks impact fee and have there been any other since 2021 not that I'm aware of we did a restructuring of the utility impact fees but there was no net increase in those so I don't know how many we moved up up but that Parks one was was way overdue um and very large so I wouldn't doubt if we're not fourth or so so I it is kind of shocking to look at aola 774 the Statewide average is 115 so these are the fees that um developers pay when they build a house um this is the A and let me see how it works what the how they describe it because the top is cut off this is um these are the fees uh impact fees charged by local governments against new development to provide for Capital facilities costs made necessary by population growth so we're one of the top in the state okay uh I'm commissioner Mr Grant reminded me that we did we did Peg our utility fees to inflationary factors so they did increase at the same rates as as our water and utility rates so one and a half three and a half% so but those are charged Dev I'm sure we're at third or fourth um I'm anxious to let our public speak I think we're ready okay good okay let's go do public comment thank you very much okay so um chair I have 11 signed up so I'm going to call them first um

they just said property tax increase so we'll we'll hear what they have to say so go ahead you skip so you kind deviated let me let me go back I think I I was talking with the budget director I I mean if you want to take public comment it's okay if you want to let let me go back to my script follow things in a linear path so if there's things you want to discuss then and it checks off the boxes of yes what we have to comply with procedure I understand yes sir so back to page one Mr gar very good uh Mr chair members of the board the aggregate millage rate as advertised on the the trim notice was 9.83 five Ms which represents a 13.16% increase from the aggregate rolled back millage rate of 8.68 76 Mills the reason the aggregate millage rate is higher is because the total taxable value increase between last year and this year generating additional Revenue levied for the same millage rate table one in your handout shows the millage rates for the various County levies and a comparison of the recommended millage rates to the rollback rates and the prior year adopted millage rates rather than read this chart into the record we have provided copies to each commissioner board records and members of the audience at the first public hearing on the budget the board of County Commissioners adopted a budget based upon the milit rates used in the trim notices each property owner received I'd like to give a brief summary of the general fund and transportation trust fund millages or sorry trust fund budgets stating the millage rates the percentage change from the rooll back rate and the reasons for the change the millage rate for the general fund is 7.67 76 Mills which is a 10.2 10.24 it's an increase from the roll back rate of 6.91 0 the millage rate is the same as last year's millage rate this morning the County Commission received a presentation outlining the amendments to the final budget these changes will have no effect on the final general fund milit rate the county realized a 6 point 16.5% increase in tax will assess values over the previous year compared to the current fiscal year the general fund expenditure budget represents an increase of $4.2 million the main factors for this include fully funding the sheriff's budget requests including 10 additional deputies funding for the presidential preference primary operational expenditures for the expanded Detention Center fully funding an additional five Code Compliance officers and a wage increase for board and constitutional officer employees prior action by the Florida legislature eliminated the requirement for a mandatory Transportation abform tax no Transportation millage was levied last year and we propos no millage be assessed this year for the transportation trust fund I ask the board accept public comment and then vote on the general fund and the

transportation trust fund millage rates and Associated budgets the minimum vote required to Levy the general fund millage rate is a simple majority or three votes according to the maximum millage rate calculation thank you does anyone wish to speak to the board regarding the general fund and transportation fund we have a list so we're going to start with the list we do so um when you come to the um Podium if you will give your name and address for the record um I'm going to call the first three so if you will line up in this order Joseph LK William Lawless followed by anarie Ryan Joe lisag 4940 Marlon Drive Newport Richie I was that your last meeting if you don't recall yes I do you do got some questions and it it has to do with sprawl obviously uh you know that 5 52 Corridor I travel that back and forth for my home in Poke County to come over here on the weekends until we retire and we' like to live here fulltime unfortunately that's probably not going to happen with this new increase um you got the 4G Ranch you're going to put over 4,000 homes there I understand stand uh along with everything else you got the Randa Community up there towards Dade City or building you got the Angelina a city in the making as the sign says my question is where's all your plans for a new fire department with all those homes that are going in have you budgeted for that from the contractors the hedge fund companies and everybody else is making billions off these projects you you went from 23 days to for a residential permit that's for single family home now you're down to approximately you got Sherman who hired more people you want to turn that around 8.5 days per permit for these Builders this impact fees is that $276 per lot is that what that says for an impact fee for Builder no no I saw I was trying to see what it is it might be 266 per $100,000 of value for 100,000 these homes up here in the Miranda they started at about 950,000 say but my guess is who's from who's here from development services do you know what the total impact fee is I know you're sitting in so let's let's do this let's let him answer those questions later I got a lot of them so just everyone understand how public com supposed to work we're going to take your input I'm sorry we'll address things we have in conversation later on what about CDD fees can you explain to us what that is when a new home builder comes in and gets CDD fees to pay for water management water supply sewer Wastewater management Bridges and calverts roads street lights Parks and Recreation fire prevention control school buildings and structures security waste collection disposal and mosquito control these new building projects the thousands of them you have out there that don't pertain to us over here in these homes from

1972 where's all that CDD money coming and going that needs to be explained I think you know you just got here's contract proposal after contract proposal for these new homes at 52 corridors fixing a blow up from Dade City on over you put the four lanes in it's coming and you know over and I'm almost done here but over in Poke County where I live North Poke County there's a fire department two and a half miles up the road from my house five miles the other way heading west on Kathleen Road they just put three developments in there average homes 50 to maybe 60 homes in those three developments that they just put in the past two years grocery store they put a public you know what's the first thing they built a fire department why aren't you doing that you talk about kicking the can down the road you didn't Kick the Can you dropped the ball flat out you dropped the ball there's there's there's grants available you just got one you said you don't have anybody working in your Grants Department time's up let's get to the grants real quick then I'm done s time's up yeah okay well just got $1.7 million Grant right there you just got it for of fire department yes we did honorable Commissioners I appreciate your time I'm going to be extremely short I just want to thank you all for having the address for the record pleas hear can I just get your name and address for the record please uh William Lawless uh Newport Richie Florida rather I give my address for employment reasons uh I worked for the sheriff's office for for 32 years and this commission has done everything they could to support the sheriff and law enforcement with the growth we have in this County right now I think law enforcement is more critical than ever could be so I'm not here to bring up any specific numbers I just want to pre uh thank you all for what you do and and for this community and to support law enforcement and the sheriff's budget and Personnel thank you thank you hello Commissioners my name is Ann Marie Ryan I live at 11436 Windstar Court Newport Richie you all pretty much know who I am I've been before you many times um I do appreciate the effort that goes into trying to budget for a county of the size and the growth that we have I do have a question and I hope that that you will think about the future for these answers I do agree with the needs and the growth we're the third largest growing county in the state we can fix all the pro we can fix all the problems just within the county alone we also need State help we've been a bedroom community which has affected our income uh T our tax income to make us a better and more profitable County in the past we have opportunities in the future with mopet and everything coming I say let them come but I say let them come and let them pay I would rather be number one in what we're charging people to come here because they're coming with hundreds of

thousands of dollars they don't want what they weren't happy where they were they're coming here and they want what they want when they want it and we can't afford it you all know that I come from a community with 1,200 homeowners and how we struggle just to get water we can't allow people that are coming in to get everything they want at the expense of those who are here I am an active member of of nonprofits to try to help people who aren't making it and not being able to keep us here we're going to lose our seniors they're barely struggling to get through now I have a pension and I'm struggling I'm fearful for everyone else I sit on the volunteer way I'm with the daughters of Penelope I see all the things that the rotaries are doing you can't do it alone we all do it together but we have to make the people coming who want what they want when they want it to pay for it so we all have the values that we had and a better future and I know that you can do it and I know you have a good staff please be as tight as you can but be as Fair as you can charge the people who want what they need they're coming here for a better life they shouldn't take away what we have now thank you okay thank you so the next three signed up if you'll sign up um line up in this order Julia aguo de Hustler Janine Duffy followed by Kathy Julian and again as you approach a Podium name and address for the record my name is Julia you can lower that Julia there for you and me Julia AUA The Hustler Julia Hustler for many I live in 29547 Birds ey Drive in Wesley Chapel thank you I um have been here nearly 20 years in Pasco County Wesley Chapel metal point you wouldn't go in there unless you Liv there there was no through all the way to 54 we didn't have any malls we went to Brandon or Tampa University uh Mall it it is amazing but scary how the county is growing um by the way it's Hispanic Heritage Month we as estimated back in 2020 that we had about 86,000 Hispanics living in Pasco that number has grown to about 92,000 plus and still coming what I'm very concerned of and I worked for the school district so I understand the way to raise everybody's salaries yes we lose a lot of people because next door in Hillsboro or pinelas they pay more and yes we need our firefighters we just had the speaker um Sheriff NOCO come and talked to us about the I think it he said one for every thousand citizens it is unbelievable it's just why is it seems to be out of control and the thing with all these apartment buildings we we are bringing people and people and people but the school cannot get enough room in their classrooms as is so more schools are going to be needed and therefore more of every single service I appreciate what you all doing but I really think that you must find ways to cut for the people that he have been here as M Ryan mentioned for

so many years let the newcomers they are coming with money let them carry more of their weight on that so thank you hi it's Janine Duffy 5550 Front Drive Holiday Florida uh first I'd like to say Seth thank you for saying what we've all we're all here feeling um you worry about the services in the fire department and uh the sheriff's department and yeah we do need those services but right now my house is on fire it's burning right now I work for myself I homeschool I take care of my elderly mother okay and with my homeowners insurance then the school tax now this tax you're taxing me all out of my home but I'm sure that's the plan that's the green new deal right you ow nothing and be happy I'm I'm I'm glad that you all don't suffer financially like the rest of us do I'm storing my riches in heaven but you will have to answer one day for what you're doing to the rest of us our homeless problem is a serious problem I think it's great you want to make the parks and the recreation all wonderful because we're all going to be living in it I mean this is seriously not a joke I'm worried how I'm supposed to feed my daughter my child support doesn't go up with inflation I have to drive to pelis to put gas in my car cuz it's cheaper when have you ever known it to be cheaper in pelis it's really disgusting yeah all these nor ERS coming down here yeah let's just build them places to live all these new homes which are horrible construction and there's nothing but people complaining about that why aren't they paying for all of this I've lived in Pasco County since 1994 I've owned many pieces of property I've also lived in pelis I left pelis because Pasco was better because of the land we don't need to be a concrete jungle that's not what people live here for you were pushing out generations of people the school board talks about how they're so worried about underprivileged kids well you're all you're going to triple it and it's going to be all your fault you really need to seriously think about what you're doing to so many people I I I have no choice but to sell my house and then where do I go where do I go can't afford Ren either and those landlords are going to jack it up too praying for you all no clapping please hi my name is Kathy Julian and I live at 10232 worthy landway um Janine is a friend of mine and I've been hearing this from her for a while and she's actually telling you the truth she is actually going to have to sell her house and move because she can't afford it because of the property taxes the school taxes all of that Seth you get it you understand it but I can't support you until you are not a liar anymore I can't support you what I wanted to say today is

um why are these new fire stations that we need because of new de velopment not paid for by the developers Katherine you said that somebody one of the counties was charging $700 we're charging hundred and something why aren't we charging $700 let's discourage all this new growth we don't need it I've only lived here 20 years but we don't need all this new growth why don't we charge a fee for new houses you know charge I don't know like you have to pay a fee for your car when you move down here why don't we charge a fee for your first house you buy get creative get money from those people because they're coming down here driving the prices up our kids can't afford to buy houses because of all the money coming in from New York and New Jersey and all these other places where they sell a house and they come down here and they pay twice as much for a house as the economy down here supports this is a problem but it's not helped by raising our property taxes and it's crazy to me that the um allotment for the fire is 2.3 that's like 30 30% of our total taxes for the county you run the whole County on 7.6 and it costs 2.3 for fires that's crazy but have a ni okay the next who signed up are Cindy scard and then Chris steens hello my name is Cindy scarda and I live at 2914 57 coiti Lake Drive um I'm here to talk about the increases um I just want to say thank you Seth because you understand how people are feeling out here you know in your demographics here in Pasco I I came from up North I came in 2010 and I came for lower taxes and lower cost of living not for a premare community I think you're going to make a premere community so much so that you're driving people out of their homes you know a quarter uh percentage of your population is senior citizens on fixed incomes and like Seth was referring to they can't even you know we can't afford the cost of groceries inflation is a tax and you're taxing people right out of the county um it's unbelievable to me I I was on the town board where I lived I was a supervisor so I understand budgets I understand growth too because I was on extr territorial zoning committees growth is coming but the way it comes is what's important and you don't have to let growth be unchecked and unfettered like it is in this community I saw it where I used to live down by brington there was so much growth they weren't prepared for it they didn't have the infrastructure it was a nightmare that's why I left down there and came up here so and why aren't they paying why aren't these developers paying you know you've got 5,000 new homes going up there on 52 you know why aren't they paying for a new fire department we always are told that you know these these developments will lower costs it never does it brings extra costs extra services to the community and the people living here already can't afford that burden so uh we are in unusual times you know this this is very challenging times for everybody with this runaway inflation gas and I know I

was at a meeting the other night where I had people coming up to me telling me that their parents cannot afford their home owner insurance I hear it a lot I hear a lot from people in my own Community I have people in my community that are moving so um growth is coming but the way it comes is important and you have a right to do it responsibly I'm not so sure it's been done responsibly here in Pasco County it's everywhere it's booming out of control you can say no you can lower the number of units in in a development I have developed property I fought developments in my community where I live so I understand a little bit of both sides of the coin but we all know there's a lot of money that have been being made here but um to drive people out of their homes isn't right it's just not right so thank you for your time and I appreciate it appreciate your time thank you Chris stavens 41243 Nipper Road Zephyr Hills Florida when I said at the last meeting that we know exactly what you're doing this is what I was talking about right here this is every one of my tax notices from 2009 to this year you know what you guys did from 2009 to 2015 you raised the millage rate every single year year over-year without fail you know why assessments were being cut year after year foreclosures were an all-time high people were losing their homes so you had to scramble around figure out a way to keep everyone paying about the same as they paid last year even though their house was worth half as much it's a stinking game and we're sick and tired of it you know what you did from 2015 to this year you lowered the millage rate every single year year after year without fail you know why assessments were going through the roof we're in a boom you've doubled your budget in seven years so what do you decide to do in this culmination of this boom this Pinnacle year cut rates which they were scheduled to be cut which should have been done no keep them the same no raise them just a little bit not even close you decide in one Fell Swoop to undo all the cuts from the last seven years and put us back to the 2015 Peak rate it's shameful then I sit down at the last meeting and you start telling us how much you just love the firefighters you just want to take care of them they're your number one priority well guess what I've I've got close friends and family like like 30 minutes building a straw man as if to say if you're against this millit rate increase why you must hate firefighters you must just can't stand them no I have close friends and family who are firefighters EMT hcso tpd I'm sure everyone in this room can say the same thing firefighters are not the problem they're Heroes the administration of this county is the problem now I suggest and I'll close with this that you heed the warning of Tampa City Council who two weeks ago voted against their own mayor who was begging in the news every night for a 16% increase they voted against her you

know why they listen to the the people now my question to you is what are you going to do with our 25% increase well I'll tell you what you're going to do I'm going to go sit down here in about five seconds and then I'm going to watch all of you almost unanimously Ram it down our throat well don't think for a second that we're not going to remember this okay so that's all that's signed up in person I'm going to call the ones on WebEx but I'm going to call them individually so first Vincent Gano or is it Gary Gano yes can you hear me I can hear you if you can give give your name and address for the record and then you have three minutes yes my name is Vincent Gano and my address is a204 Lord Oro Drive Richie so I just want to make one point one of person said not all us newcomers are coming here with tons of money I'm a retired Philadelphia policeman okay I'm on a fixed pension I bought in Pasco County because it was a beautiful area I don't have tons of money I've been here almost one year and like one Gentleman on the panel said boom all these new taxes not only have they double tripled they almost quadrupled since I bought this house with these big tax rates I also have a question about how you assess these homes with these so-called finished garages I would like a definition on these finished garages that have no functional living space I'm being charged assess 20901 do you have any answers on a definition of that we don't answer during public comments sir we just let people talk for three minutes okay well I I have three definitions one that had D walls was your Dum and let me tell you something I put a lot of money into this house since I bought it the house was built in 1976 okay another another explanation I got from the appraisers was it has a d w killing another explanation I got well it has a garage door one appraiser even told me we'll rip down the ceiling and we'll take off 10% of your your milit rate does that make any sense denas I'm listen I'm all for police fire I I get you I was part of the system but these rates have gone like the other gentleman just said outrageous since 2015 and we all did our homework here you know you you you're you're discriminating against people coming into your your your your county but you want it to grow so you can't have both if you you raise these taxes where we almost have to sell these homes now so it's it really isn't fair to any of us that's all I have to say I appreciate your time and I hope uh maybe uh you can give us a little help thank you all right thank you so the next one is beta Cowa Cowa I think hello hello we can hear you go

ahead and state your name and address for the record and then you have three minutes thank you uh my name is B kosa and I res in Pasco County at 32341 Pinson Lan in Wesley Chapel uh I would like to oppose the the proposed um increas in property uh tax uh in my opinion this increase is not only going to this not only unnecessary but it will also have a negative impact on our community uh Pasco County is one of the fastest growing counties in Florida uh it's ranked between number two and number seven uh when it comes to growth uh depending on the criteria and the source of the statistics uh and such a significant growth in the number of both residents and real estate must result in increased Revenue so my question is why do we need if that's the case why do we need uh an increase in property taxes uh I also mentioned that this increase is going to have a negative impact on our community uh any increas in taxes especially during crimes of high inflation uh causes lowi income and moderate income families to be pushed out of our country uh and that's something that we don't want that's something that I don't want and I'm one of those newcomers who moved to uh back to Florida during the the coid lockdown I don't want that I think that it's a beautiful thing that Pasco count is such diverse Community um from the standpoint of socio economics and culture and everything else uh I would like Pasco County to stay as diverse as it was two years ago uh so um we should take that into consideration we don't want Pasco County to uh to become home exclusively for wealthy retirees from New York and wealthy families from California basically a playground for The Wealthy um I don't want that and based on what I heard during this this hearing other residents don't want that either so um so that's why I think that that's why I suggest having a comprehensive review of the budget and looking at the revenue sources and and also the profits and and the spending uh someone also mentioned that Pasco County should remain uh a business friendly environment I think that we should not only think about the businesses and those large developers but we should also think about the residents um because they are actually the community and and they should come first before the the businesses and the developers uh so thank you so much for your time okay thank you and the last one signed up online is Eric [Music] rues Eric R is not uh here he had a family emergency so he will not be able to provide a comments today okay thank you uh so Mr chairman there's no one else signed up but so if you'd like to call public comment anybody in the audience anyone from the audience who hasn't signed up or hasn't spoken yet would like to address the board please come forward maybe like two or three line up behind each other as we go hi my name is Alex leas I live in Newport Richie I moved here in 2015 we need your address G okay your address

sir pulling here is stupid ridiculous and criminal sir the sir sir excuse me just your address for the record too please what your address Richie I own the usad daily sun.com I don't want people striking at my home it's okay okay I'm one I used to work for lenar and I am a graduate of St Leo University in accounting unfortunately for you I had the most excellent teachers okay the idea see we do not need this property increase the reason why we have this property increase is supports all of us who have been here for a while for a long time who had the lower military rates who have the lower taxes to be forced out because as soon as we are forced out guess what the property taxes on the homes that we just sold will be doubled so they can pay for their raises in their salaries their slush funds their little Charities you know I've never heard where the government has actually laid off people instead they are forcing companies to lay off people in order to remain open you are causing this cycle not us it's about time we laid you off and if you want to send an editorial to me mine is USA daily at proton me please Brian Paris 7401 Allison Street Port Richie Florida three U I want to say tip of the cap Seth as in baseball terms appreciate you everybody that spoke is correct this is about New World Order own nothing and be happy taxing people out of their homes taxation without representation is actually unconstitutional if you read the Constitution nowhere in it says there's you should be prop raising property tax on we the people we need we need representation this is a constitutional republic you guys are supposed to be representing the people not representing special interest big corporations this is a town for small business owners we need to help the small business owners and protect them you guys kind of with the decisions you guys made during the China virus lockdowns a lot of the small business owners got hurt really bad with with the closing and the masking that people didn't want to go out and I hope to God that you guys don't force any of that this time coming around because we know they're going to you know the test run was in 2020 um but this is about the people people are suffering this recession is definitely going to get worse we might be even in a um in a Great Depression we have to protect the people of this town we don't want in New York or Florida I don't care what these people say oh I'm I want it New York Pasco County no this town's you know it's not perfect but it's it's a blessing and uh we we love our animals and our agricultures and when you guys talk about planting trees why not plant fruit trees let's have trees that actually produce food and stuff like that to help people out there's a lot of different things we can do um I I think we should put a moratorium on developing actually and we need to um fix our roads

and infrastructure and our schools and develop them you know the kids are suffering too you know we have human and child sex trafficking in Tampa Bay area and in this area as well and it seem and I saw there was only $10,000 budget for them that's ridiculous this is New World Order stuff own nothing and be happy like the lady said she's being tax out of her home we got to start representing We the People this is unconstitutional what you guys are doing and um anyway my time's up God bless my name is Patricia sternick Wellman my address 12926 kellywood Circle Hudson Florida I've been in Pascal County since 2007 from a divorce I lived 40 years in Florida I lived the difference of them in Palm Beach county in West Palm uh it's very expensive there and I left there to come here um it was cheaper I make $30,000 a year I have worked two and three jobs to put a roof over my head I lost my house to foreclosure in 1996 and lived in a rent INF fested Place years following with my ex-husband I am tired of taxes I'm fed up with it seems like no one wants to do a thing about it and everything else and you're just um basically when we don't have any more money to pay I mean we're going broke we literally are going broke you know and you all can sit up there you get your pensions you've been there for years and you you're set we're not we have to work our asses off I want to retire now I'm in my mid 60s and I can't retire because I can't afford it and I'm just getting by as well as everybody else is and we're sick of it Absol absolutely sick of it so I don't know if you're going to do anything about it probably not like everybody says it is what it is and as long as you can keep putting money in your pockets which I know you are because all governments are corrupt I think you need an average person up here an average Joe to come up here to run it which we'll never see in our lifetime like I said I'm very disgusted with all of you you need to be voted out and I'm going to make sure like every past three years now that I try my best to vote you out thank you is there anyone else who wants to address the board good evening folks uh my name is Mike live 3804 Hillview Court Atlanta Lakes I think you have to give us your last name my last name is cook thank you okay I've been a Pascal County member of Resident Pascal County for 17 years I'm very nervous so please bear with me okay deep breath God bless you guys for doing what you do it's not easy to sit in that position sat in board member positions and it's not easy as as a board member my daughter's softball team actually but a league was located in Hillsboro County unfortunately we didn't have that here now we are so thanks for building the parks I think we all I can speak for myself not for everyone but I think what we're doing is we're not looking in the right places for the money okay I I I

understand I agree to fire department needs the money we have the the the influx of people coming in so the fire department needs the money and by the way Tony Perez he's he's going to be a great chief for you guys and for us you know I've seen him do some work down in Tampa anyway long story short I know I only have three minutes but um I think maybe we should start looking into these big nationalized businesses that are in the neighborhood and ask them to to to you know get some funds generated from them rather than the the people who live here because we are going to drive some people out of here that's not that's and if they're coming you know raise the impact fees what did I he $256 per 100,000 or something like that for house I don't know that the exact numbers but I can tell you that it's not enough because if they stop coming here that means we won't have to raise the uh uh revenue from the from taxpayers the residents of Pasco County to allocate the funds to the fire department because they'll stop coming which is okay for a lot of people a lot of people don't want all this growth in here we slow things down that's all I'm saying is you're not looking in the right places for the money I agree with you we need the money and you guys have a tough decision to make but I felt you know almost two decades living here I felt I had to say something I've never been to a board meeting so I'm not going to sit here and say that I follow everything you guys do I don't but I know that I have to say something if I see of something I have to say something that's what I was taught I was taught that as a kid I got I got a wife two daughters put one through college I own a small business my wife is the administrator for the business and we can't get by I can't get by I'm almost behind on my mortgage that's a dangerous place to be when you got a wife and kids I'm just saying just just look in other places for the money I I agree with you guys that we need the money and we need to allocate the funds from the budget but I think you're looking in the wrong places for it thank you for the time is there any else wants to address the board hi my name is Mark Eslick I live 5100 gallan Court Newport Richie and I just have a question I I hear you know this is beautiful all this works done but there's tremendous growth in this County a lot of people coming in a lot of houses being built these are taxpayers isn't all this money coming into the fund can't that Finance what needs to be done and in the meantime the roads are going to pot and uh I don't know we've got all this money coming in but you want more money from us it doesn't make sense that's all I have to say thank you another one in my neighbor on my [Applause] street Commissioners I know it's been a long day so we'll uh we'll try to make this quick John Michael Moren president of the Pasco County Professional

firefighters 21735 YMCA Camp Road land Lakes Commissioners I'd like to start this evening by expressing my gratitude to the County Administrator and his staff for the level of respect and transparency they demonstrated to us over the summer as we work together through the FY 24 budget process I have learned a lot and have a renewed appreciation for all that goes into making local government work more effectively and efficiently over the last decade your intention intentional and deliberate efforts have brought unprecedented growth to our County beyond the 28 people that move to Pasco County on average every day we have seen business and industry reemerge we have seen million square foot distribution centers and large corporations relocate to Pasco County you've you've created jobs and otherwise Pro provided an opportunity for development and prosperity that has made our County one of the fastest growing areas in the nation we are all grateful to live work and play right here in our own backyard however in order to sustain the progress that we're enduring we must maintain an adequate Public Safety infrastructure the data is simple and plainly makes the case for an increase in the fire mstu Pasco County fire rescue is one of the top 10 busiest agencies in the state call volume has increased 44% in the last8 Years 20% in the last two years alone you've lost 162 employees at a cost of $4.7 million in the last four years and have spent more than $5 million per year on overtime costs response times have suffered with 47% of all calls for service result resting in first unit arrival of greater than 10 minutes and 10,000 calls 10,000 calls took less than more than 15 minutes before life-saving measures could be initiated we cannot continue to enjoy this period of unprecedented growth if we cannot provide essential Service as elected leaders you have an enormous responsibility to provide for the Safety and Security of your constituents do not Advocate that responsibility raising taxes is tough I get it there's never a good time and it's always a last resort but professionals that you've employed to provide fire and res EMS service in this County are telling you that it is unavoidable and has to be done the fire rescue budget that is being presented to you has been scrutinized like never before and we have already conceded to more than $10 million in Cuts you are getting diminishing returns on the taxpayers money by not fixing the root of the problem adequate funding please do not keep punt this issue down the road like prior administrations you have a chance right now to propel Pasco County into a future that provides for the Lively Ood of your employees and provides a safe and secure place to raise your families although there will always be those who speak out against an increase please understand that we care deeply for the people hidden in the data and

if you move into a CDD but all of those and traditionally they're all special assessments they go to pay off the bonds for the roads and streets and Street lights and whatever else is in the project and then it converts to a maintaining those um those things so that that's costs that the county wouldn't have to pay if they were um County local streets can't you know um go ahead please the tax money quiet please sir please you had your you I know you had you three minutes sir you cannot speak sir you had your three minutes let me you three minutes okay traditionally the the board adopted today an mstu for local road paving traditionally no tax no ADV valorum taxes went to the that infrastructure that answers your question so um commissioner um and Well County Administrator at our last hearing you had proposed what amount for the fire mstu so at the trim hearing as well as the adoption of the tentative millage we um we had recommended a 2.300 mill rate and what does that mean per one and we Ed the $100,000 value what what did that mean and how much did that collect so the proposed millage of 2.3 would have result resulted in an average cost on on on the whole to the homeowner of $230 per year now that is a $150,000 taxable assessed value home doesn't mean that's that's what the taxes are so with a homestead exemption that would be $100,000 that is your is actually your your your median or average taxable value and what are you proposing tonight I'll get to that I just what I what I wanted to add to that commissioner was that that note was it was actually a proposed increase of $50 per year to the average home so already 180 at at 1.8 Mills is what folks are already paying so that new millage would have resulted in an additional $50 per year to your average average value what I've proposed uh this evening after going back through and developing what the board had asked and um A Five-Year Plan if you will versus a 10year plan uh that results in uh 2159 or 2 $15 or $35 per year so a net de so we went from 50 to 35 so we we reduced that since the last meeting yes ma'am thank you in the increase in the taxes that we assessed from last year to this year with with the millage keeping it the same you went over the number it was $22 $22 I believe I'm sorry commissioner I need you to repeat that for me uh I think Bob's coming up right Big Bob yes for Homestead of property was $22 so this commission based upon those values if the MS to at the 2159 gets adopted is we were reasing at $35 with the increase on the MS on the regular

taxes 22 22 yes so the total of our the responsibility for our budget comes to $57 okay right between those two between the two taxes between the two okay and as far as like school board that was different um absolutely yes all all the other things are on there just on there so okay um um commission Jackie so I you know I've been here this my third term I think and this is the first time we've really we've had people like this come and there is no doubt that we all have have had um inflation hit us I mean I I have families on disabil family members on disability I'm I have friends I you know church people at my church EV everyone has been affected by this crazy year of rampant inflation I do think it's getting better um but we are you know we're seeing the pain that's out there not only that but but the cost of living here has has increased home values have gone through the roof you can't buy a new car you can't you can't buy a car car prices has gone crazy people's lives have definitely be affected been affected by what's going on out there um and we we it's a tough seat that we're sitting in right here and I'm trying to find a way to to balance everything and to be able to fix the roads finish building those fields make sure we have someone to pick up the the animals and all do all things that County government does so um I would maybe propose that we very slightly but try and help our citizens as much as we can by rolling back our millage to something like 7.60 72 74 something I mean we could do something little couple million dollars we we heard today where we found a couple million dollars in in in uh grants I personally as we said at the the last meeting that's an opportunity for us to be much more aggressive and going out there and bringing Federal and you know State money home um we've had bad luck with a lot of our asss from the state getting vetoed by the governor for whatever reason um but we're going to try again to have the state um help send money back to our County like they do to all the other counties and I don't know what that what I don't know what that hit is but budget Bob can you tell me what that is for how much I mean go to 76074 we've calculated a 0.5 reduction is 2.2 million well you don't throw all those numbers out you you need to do the math I don't do math I don't do math under duress Dan crunching the numbers chairman mayor unless you so sorry um before I get to that why would you do the calculation if I could you know we

talked about doing the cuts we could Chief Perez would you mind coming forward and talk about how you looked at and how you work with staff and where you found the cuts I know you you found a couple of allocations of expenses we had that you got rolled back that we uh didn't fund so I think I think the people probably like to hear good evening Tony Perez fire chief in long day huh so I just want to start out by I I'm very sensitive to everyone's comments public comments I live in Pasco County I have to pay the taxes as well but I think we've lost a focus on where we need to be with our we are here to talk about the members yes we're talking about an increase but it's for our members of a Pasco County fire rescue that is well needed our growth and development continues to grow and it's going to put a heavy Demand on our services so we need to keep up with the growth and our men and women should not suffer or should not be penalized because of this small tax increase I'm paying for it as well we need to continue to grow and stay ahead of the curve I worked for a city who refused to keep up with the growth of the city and that's why they won't ever catch up for every year that we Let Go by it's four years that we're behind yes City of Tampa denied that one millage they should have been adding small Inc increments 15 years ago they refused to grow Pasco County is in a same predicament we are growing and we need to keep up with the growth we need to provide that level of service that's Second To None I came in in July 31st with assistant County administrat Mr Murphy Mr carala and the staff I went and looked at the budget we rep prioritized what was important for our for for our department and the residents that we are serving we did we did What's called the scrub work we scrubbed it down we went back a second time we scrubbed it again it was the it was the needs not the wants and that's what I was doing I was being a good Steward of the taxpayers and your money as well we narrowed it down we were able to cut $9.5 million things that were not a priority things that yet maybe down the road we can go back and revisit but it wasn't a priority now our priority was Staffing pay wages reducing the people that we're losing every year to other departments our competitive wage package does not compare to the surrounding departments we're losing people every day we're if and if we don't keep up with the growth we're going to continue to keep spinning our wheels in the mud and we don't want to be that department we don't want to be that County we're right here we've got great potential but I think the focus has been lost because there it's the men and women that are going to continue to keep doing that job they do a fantastic job day in and day out every third day we have to continue to support the men and women of Pasco County fire rescue so we can provide that level of service that's needed it's a very small

increment I know it's here's the discussion but I think we've lost focus on where it needs to be we need to focus on improving our fire rescue EMS system we're going to do that I own it I started in July 31st I own it I'm not going to give it to anyone behind us I'm going to take ownership of this right now we're going to be good stewards we're going to move this operation forward and the men and women are going to provide a level of service the second to none we just need the support and once the community understands that they're going to be on board too what we don't want to happen is we start falling behind and now that 911 emergency comes in now we can't provide the level of service we as Citizens are going to be the first ones complaining where's my rescue car where's my engine where's my resources where are my resources well we haven't kept up with the growth and I know we talked about I know uh commissioner waitman talked about 12 months but it's going to grow in 12 months for every year that's gone by we fall behind four years so the things that we're able to cut are things that weren't important skid steer right a Tims unit um we also cut uh right now an investigator too we were trying to implement right but we were wanting to put in an EMS supervisor those are things that are needed for the field to help facilitate the call volumes to help facilitate the oversight of of what we're doing the men and women are doing every day out there in the county so I ask you let's focus on what's important is that millage increase to help our men and women continue to grow with what the Count's doing and I guarantee you I will have oversight of it along with the staff that's going to support it and we're going to help drive this operation to where it needs to go and provide first class service to these citizens of Pasco County all right anything else commissioner no well I just want to say I'm I'm in full support of going from the number we were at last week or last meeting to that number that we're at this week to get and I I just am so thankful that you went through your budget the way you did and um and I could not sleep at night if I knew that it's taking 15 minutes for Nam to come for someone who's dying we can't we can't have that we can't have that and and just so you know I'm not I'm not going to have that on my contous no and I I agree I don't want that on my conscience that's why we're going to tap into these additional resources like you spoke a few weeks ago we're going to tap into those Federal grant funding that that money that's out there we're not just going to focus on this we're going to open up the scope and try to put as many fielders out there to get those resources back into our County that's what we're moving forward on we are going to be good stewards of our money but we're going to do our due diligence to provide a level of service T outside of what we're talking here and chief I think your team is with you all the way uh JJ and the fire Union team

went to DC to go get that Grant uh was a safer Grant to make it safer for our people so they so they don't get cancer so they can get protected we can do that for all our fire stations now which is what we want to do we want to protect our people we don't need another Jason Tucker situation where we lose you know a great man um so going forward I know we're we're still waiting even for money for the a funding of a full fire station that hopefully will even get to but um you know I appreciate your scrubbing down the budget um I know you gave to some specific spefic to me but we don't have to get into those now but by bringing that down bring it to a 5year plan to a 10-year plan um you know maybe maybe maybe that number holds for a few years we don't know we'll see how things go and and that's what we did as you can see I call him budget Bob like everyone else he posted up there we we commissioner waitman requested A Five-Year Plan so we reprioritized our Pathway to Premiere and we brought it down to a fiveyear plan these are our priorities this is what we're doing to move forward but again it was for the members to continue with the growth and development and to keep our people here in Pasco County and not lose them to other departments and those those were the focus and it will help we passed this millage rate it's going to help clean all that out we're going to stop we're going to create that foundation and everything else is going to take care of itself and we're going to be a provide a level of service that's second and none and we won't be hamstrung okay thank you thank you thank you and commissioner Stark you had the question and Bob baby has the answer yes sir we'll get to you with commissioner waitman so decrease in the general fund millage from 76076 to 76074 reduces the budget by $99,000 yes yeah so um $9,000 yeah so I'm going to go for a bigger number um but I want to make sure that we're we're on board with how we cut we we've cut the fire mstu I don't know how we can cut that anymore just kind of seeing where we are on the board because because I'm going to suggest a roll back of the millage but I want to be sure we've got the fired guys why don't we talk to see what commissioner waitman is on his mind commissioner waitman thank you well I appreciate Chief's passion we'll put him on the speaking circuit to help generate some funds to the uh to the coffers here but I Chief I respectfully disagree I don't think this board's lost Focus this board our board members are in communities every day and your people are trying to figure out how to make it and what's been proposed at the 2.3 level is a 27 a. half% price tag increase tax increase on the residents of Pasco County and it's compounded with the rest of the increases that folks are being forced to pay and I'm very sensitive to that so with that being said I think it's

time to talk about process here because they're coming down to to votes Mr caral will you please and I and I appreciate where commissioner starky's going with cut cutting back on General operating millage I think we can go further but in the meantime I think it's important everybody understand the process here what five votes mean what four to one votes mean with each tax the general fund in the fire mstu and what those numbers mean in dollar value so thank you so little First Look to Bob on the general fund vote the general fund vote is a majority simple majority three votes to keep the where it is or or to increase or to decrease specifically what we can't increase right so no you cannot increase you you're you've adopted the increase no no you you've adopted a flat a flat operating millage um but if if there is a reduction or a hold at this it it only requires three votes of of the the five that are here today with regards to the mstu the mstu is um is handled a little differently so the current Mill I'm going to I'm going to round here because I don't have the exact numbers in front of me the current millage is approximately 1.8 um in order to um adopt that millage it requires or 110% of that number which is approximately 1.84 it requires four votes of this membership body um anything above 1.84 will require unanimous consent of of the membership of this body okay so so commissioner waitman what's your number and and to be clear 1.8 is where it is currently right right we're in the red so and we'll be on the red before the end of the year with that number right I'm will to gamble I'm willing to gamble on relief in the prosperity of our County um everybody's hesitant but I think we're going to continue to see folks come in over the next 12 months and we'll still have positive Revenue coming in for uh new new funding for next year I'm pretty hard set on two 2.0 with fire M to you I've committed I would move the needle I'm holding a two but to do that I'd like to see a reduction in the general operating Mills by what do we talk about Mike point What's the difference what's the difference in the 0.15 0.159 N yes sir and Challenge and figure out a haircut equally across the board from tax collector on down all departments equally tighten the belt and see how we move forward what um what does 2.0 get the fire department gets you two and a half years so 2.0 so the basically if we the plan that we have laid out with the fire chief and again it it factors in raises that occur over time it factors in uh Staffing of fire stations that we expect to that we expect to come online over time uh some in the near- term some in the out years um so what we put together is a a fiveyear solvency plan in other words we don't predict to begin having recurring revenues exceed I'm sorry recurring

expenses exceed recurring Revenue news for for five years um I lost my place give me a moment what what I'm what I'm trying to say here is that the the the that's a that's a five-year plan to fund and build into stations in other words if if we do a 2.0 uh number um that gives us about two years of solvency within the fund before we will need to come back to the board to request additional dollars to fund Manning of stations things like workload stress reductions um in those types of activities do we cancel Building A Fire Station out in a community that I would not I would not recommend the board do that um I would probably continue to move full force with with regards to planning our Capital um however the board will be put in a position to to make those make well none of us want to not build a fire station make those decisions but if we don't have the money if we don't have the money to build it then then the fire I mean I mean if the board wants to commit to we don't build a fire station that's what we're saying here well you're I'm saying that yeah I I I I essentially would you know have to ask the board you know when when I come to you to hey we we're going to send out a new contract I don't have future money necessarily built into the plan um but we would rely upon the board to potentially increase taxes at a later date I will say that the one thing when it when it comes to these numbers there is a compounding effect that occurs so for example if it's a 2.59 or a 20 number today and that covers Us for five years if if we adopt a lesser number and I come back to the board in say three years the total aggregate millage might not be 2.59 it could be a higher number just because you've lost the compounding effect of of the dollars and the millage over time that has been collected um that's just something that the board would have to have to consider um again we we we try to adopt a five-year budget to provide um planning but if it's the board's desire for the fire department and administration to come back at a recurring period of time um then then that's fine but it does make it difficult uh to plan effectively um over over the course of time but it it I'm not saying it's impossible it can be done we haven't heard from commissioner Bradford let me let me Reach Out commissioner Bradford thank you Mr chair I have been sitting you're listening to all the uh that data input by staff and all the different opinions of the members of the board and and U you know I don't want to Kick the Can I ran for this office you all ran for this office so that's what it's about we have to make decisions and it's about leadership vote your conscience on what you think is best and uh well that's what I'm going to do and uh God willing I'm going to support this and uh I appreciate it thank you you know commissioner bre I want to thank

you for hanging in there I know you're going through some medical struggles but uh you knew tonight you had to be on the line if we're going to get that far Ms you increase whatsoever so I appreciate all your effort and I know it's taking a lot of energy and uh greatly appreciate you sir thank you yes sir Mr J appreciate it I will be back I know you will I know you will we will we're praying for you right thank you uh commissioner Oakley yeah he Mr Bradford was um very accurate when he says he's he's not the one to Kick the Can down the road because we've been there before and we didn't get things done and if we had to kick that can seven years ago down down against that curb that we couldn't kick it anymore a lot of things that we've done under the last seven years would not have happened we wouldn't have be here like this but the fact of it is we can't gamble on losing lives based on not having the needs met for our fire services for our citizens there's no way I don't want that on my conscience there's no way you can you can cut back on a service that saves lives in our community for our citizens in Pasco County which I think are great deal of I want to ask a medical question for the chief or maybe someone in his team I want to know someone has a heart attack they lose con they lose Consciousness what's the time level as far as before real strong effects happen to a person it's all about call volume and the timing of it so so you're looking for cardiac arrest okay you're looking at anywhere between three to five minutes where we don't have a unit on scene it starts to decline at three minutes it really is probably about not I'm just going off the top of my head numbers it's not a very high survival rate after three minutes epoxy you got the lack of oxygen heart's not beating you're not pushing blood throughout all the cells so 3 to five minutes it's it's uh it's critical and if we're not on scene we're not providing what we need to provide that first level of service then um chances of survival decrease dramatically on that I mean haven't taken courses matter of fact courses with the fire department sort of like class you know day classes where you kind of show us what going on and bringing those points out is kind of what strikes my memory I mean we're not talking about just funding as far as like putting things together putting buildings together we're talking about having the services for our people that may have an issue when I think about those girls today that saved the life if they weren't there if they didn't recess if that's what they did or not what would happen to that little that baby that's right you know Survivor weight would may not be here today we're talking life and death things we worked hard to to make this happen um you know Co I think slowed everything down for us let's face it it did uh drove up prices for these fire stations because I think we didn't drop the ball we had a bomb dropped on us so when Co came and prices

went up and we went from Full million to a station to 7 million from a station that wasn't us dropping the ball but we got to catch up we couldn't do it during coid we had unemployment rates we had people just surviving so we got behind we didn't want to get behind we've got the highest impact fees in the state I think I I don't know what Al is doing I don't what Al is doing but everywhere I go they talk about it and that's so that our our people can come in we can't help the fact the way the rest of the country has dealt with the inflation and gas prices and everything else going on that they want to come to Florida they realize Co has frankly made Florida a very attractive place to come that's not our fault Vault we didn't drop the ball but this bigger demand it's going to get stronger when people have when we got a great government like we got and we he's leading the way for you know making this this place a great place to be and want to live that people are going to want to come and it's going to be a struggle and I want to do everything we can and frankly for the folks out there I think we got to change our cabinet let's go bring an insurance commissioner in Let's get someone really looking at that issue let's go work on our federals as far as getting get some more oil out there to get bring the price down to bring inflation down and get those things going but this is like serious stuff that we've looked at we've gone through we've tried to do the right things the people said they want to see these fire stations built we can't control what the price is done we can't control the price of labor for everybody else working everywhere else either we we I mean we went through it 10 years ago with the fire with the deputies losing them we spent more money blowing more money frankly because we train them they go somewhere else we're doing the same thing here we're doing it again we don't want to do that the in investment to invest to these guys here is critical it's not about just saving money pinching pennies this is about saving lives of what the people said they wanted to see us do and we're in a tough situation but we've got a chance to solve it you want bottle you want I I think the scare TCT did I I appreciate it I guess tag this fact you know is but the fact is too you heard the folks they're trying to figure out all other ass ects of life every day they're buying groceries every day they're trying to figure out how to pay the insurance every day they're trying to figure out how to pay their bills it's it's we're going to do like this on on on this issue I offered a number out there and it works short period of time but it works I think it meets in the middle I've kept my word on that but I've also through this through this process which has been frustrating is every time I go say well how can we save money on General operating Revenue this that the other and I've hit brick wall after brick wall after brick wall all been no no no no no or here's this why why why quite frankly the answers I've

received have not been acceptable been very frustrated and I'm not confident that we can't find dollars elsewhere I've spent so much time on the phone and you know operating millage stays flat so be it uh but the effort that I've seen to try to roll back General operating millage the closest thing that I've heard of usting some movement on that is when commissioner starky brought up even rolling back to even save n Grand well I meant to do more than that well I app it's but I'm looking at real savings for people I'm willing to give the fire something willing to give y'all something but we need to really find a way to save folks money to live here in Pasco County I can't we can't control what going on in Washington we can't control what's going on with insurance and what the governor's doing but we can control our taxing future today everybody else is tighten in our belt we need to do the same and I'm willing to give a little bit Chief so you can be successful unfortunately you came in at a tough time yeah that's okay uh and quite frankly I'm glad I'm standing here holding the line on this it's very it's an uncomfortable position to be believe me known each other a long time and value each one of them's opinion and their expert and the history on it but I truly believe we need to hold line for folks and give you what you need to do the job with a Titan belt and I very much appreciate you know you cutting and finding the cuts where you have in your department I wish all our departments did that we started this process Mr Caro at 6 2.65 Ms then we dropped down and not necessarily on the record but what was wanted initially I think one of the initial ones was approximately 2.8 even higher and worked our way down so that's a testament to your short time being here and I appreciate it thank you I'm just the stubborn son of a gun that's in the way all right and uh you know I've set my number on the fire and I want to see some action ideally it's a simple majority vote so that'll be what it'll be on the general operating millage and if we hold in corala it and with the stations being built I'm still confused about this aspect so you're saying 55% of the tax increase for fire emits to you is going to go to labor and wages Etc the other 45% are divied up that 45% on top of the bond are going to pay for these SE stations like what are we going on here the the bonds were supposed to pay for these stations the money out of the general fund so I'm a bit suspect of what the remaining balance of the 45% of this tax is going to do for folks especially on the brick and mortar sure let me let me see if I can if I I can explain that quickly and Bob make any corrections if I run a foul on on the stations the general obligation bonds those are considered Capital expenses therefore we use those to build brick and mortar type type stations they are capital expenses they're not operating expenses we look to the fire mstu and millage to pay those operating expenses so when I say new fire stations I'm talking about the cost of putting in new

Personnel right we have to hire new ships so this doesn't stop building them it's just a staffing issue then so to clarify for the record please clarify I will clarify that that is Staffing however without confidence of Staffing it does not make sense to build so let me try some more math scarily um what was the original number that you had for us last week or La two weeks ago um 2.3 Ms for the fire MSU yes ma'am 2.3 from 1.8 so um can we go to 2.15 is that where you were that's where I'm at ma'am yes 2.59 no you're at 2.59 come on you cut up more than half of what they need so correct and that's a Five-Year Plan commissioner waitman has well let's go to a four-year plan because I want you to know that next year because we okay we've been through this I know you're our new be and I respect you so much that and I you know I pushed hard for you to run for this job um um sadly sitting up here we've seen what happens when you kick the can and we've had the can kicked to us trust me uh as far as I'm concerned that what we had to do for the sheriff's deputies was a can kicked right in our face um but there are other things coming that we all know that are going to get these you know that people are going to see on their bill [Music] um and it's going to be the same next year again we have our mstu for the road paving coming so right now we collect not one penny for your roads to be paved we only collect money for collector and artillary Roads to be paid for that's the gas tax money we are one of the only counties in the country that pay for local roads your roads in front of your homes the way we do which we we pretty much make you pay for it when your road falls apart it's not a good system and no one wants to pay thousands and thousands of dollars a year to have the road in front of your your own house fixed and we we charge you and we bill you on your tax bill when that happens and I don't know if any of you've been through what's called our pbass and no one likes it so we're changing that system we voted to do that today so next next year and from then on just like every other County we're going you're going to see a lot bu item on your tax bill to have all the roads in the county go into a maintenance program that's that's what there're that's what's going to be on people's bills next year so so to just keep putting this off when it's so needed for me it it's just it's it's it's not what what I am here to do and and you can threaten to vote me out and that is fine I get we get that every day I'm not here I don't I don't face any vote that I do on on being worried that I might lose my job that would make this job absolutely impossible I base my I base my vote and everything I do on trying to be a responsible and and in my mind five conservatives up here conservative

fiscally responsible commissioner who was trying to to deliver a great place of Life at that level at 45 45th in the state we are equivalent to Dixie and Levy County Gilcrest County Madison County Highlands were cheaper than Hernando so I think frankly we're doing a pretty good job because I think it's much better living here than living in Dixie and Ley County I don't know if you ever been there but there's nothing to do no place to go you probably go to Walmart for dinner it it's better here um so I don't if I if I lose my job over voting what I for P for people to have an ambulance arrive in time when you're in a car accident I'm okay with that I am okay with that I think we need to stay at the 2 point whatever it is 2.59 but let's Seth you know we can't get there without you so let's make a deal 2.15 I've asked this so many times to this to to all these folks that lead this government this what you propose okay if we do this where can we where can we give some relief nothing all it is is up you know the price of a fire station has maybe I don't want to say doubled but how much has the price of a fire station gone $9 million we we the co the cost for us delivering these projects has also gone through the roof we're probably going to build less than we we wanted to so I mean I don't know that that's our job and I when I ran Public Safety was number one um I think it's still number one I I think it's still number one and I appreciate the chief cutting $9 million and and I'm supporting him I'm supporting our First Responders it's too important let me ask a question uh going to try to do a compromised position from where you are commissioner wman Mike you've got written down here Bob it's 2.08 what was the research on the number that your team put together on that what what what does that mean to us so the way the way that we built the fire budget was we we took a look at what the the fire departments call their 10e needs looked like and so we we basically take a look at that and and then we look at the solvency rate of the fund right so how do we make sure that our our expenses our recurring expenses do not exceed our recurring revenues and from there you can kind of back into these these various planning Horizon numbers so the 2.08 five number for example um is a number that we start to see ins solvency call the fund breaks if you will we start to dip into reserves in four years so the 2.59 number that was proposed we would start to dip into Reserves at about the fiveyear mark the 2.00 number here that commissioner waitman has has U suggested we're in about the two call it between two and three year time frame so those become planning Horizons and so when you're when you're planning the agency Capital expenses growth and those types of things having that that stability and predictability

is is important and so it just depends on what you know in this particular case what is the board comfortable with um you moving moving forward again my recommendation looking I'll stand by this gfoa recommends 5 to 10 year planning Horizons that's just a professional management uh standard uh we I presented you at the 10 year plan the board asked me to come back with a five I've come back with a five if there's a lesser Horizon that the board would like us to consider then we we will salute smartly and carry on I I just that's that's really really what we're arguing about now at this point is how long until we come back to request another tax increase for fire yeah I don't want to do that I don't want do that all the time Mr chairman commissioner um I mean we're going back and forth here but the fact of it is this money is needed for our fire and for our citizens I know what it does when you have to pay too much and the cost and everything's going up but to go the other route and kick the count down the road and end up in a year or year and a half or two and have to come back to the citizens and ask them for more money because we didn't get enough here tonight to take care of them for at least five years that's tough I can't make that decision I can only make decisions I believe I'm going to take care of the people of Pasco County and I want the best for and I want nobody to have any problem and I want our fire service to be able to serve all of our citizens and we've made great strides over the last few years I can tell you of getting there this is that big step and and part of this is because of the inflation the cost of things are going up I'd like to address something else if I may Mr chair that commissioner waitman was talking about M okay okay oh okay um you know you mentioned commensurate cuts and other areas and and you know you know commissioner starky has brought up uh rolling back general fund I know you know commissioner waitman you you brought that up as well I mean those are those are things that the board the board can consider um you know again I I don't recommend that and and and that's I don't say that lightly um I I say that because any any reduction in the general fund again will affect those five major withdrawers if you will of of the general fund and again those are three of those major departments that I listed were were Public Safety related so uh got an idea MH so one of the big capital projects we talked about before was it the Wesley Chapel Library knew that was coming so yes let's let's take a look I mean we're talking about life safety for people so if we got to do an offset in cost you know what's the let's say let's say for a couple of years we delay that Library project okay what are y'all

willing to cut out of your District to help give the relief to overall to everybody District 2 produces the highest level of Revenue to this County proves over $72 million right a lot of money coming in I think we need if we take a cut across the board if everybody on this board bends a knee and gives up something we can give what Chief needs and we can give hopefully find a way to give folks relief until the next budget cycle I'm willing to give to cut off some Frills for a short period of time so people can afford to pay their property insurance for this next year hope yall are too I hope you would be too I mean I'm willing to do what it takes and something this is a I'm passionate about it and I've moved to two and it gives you two and a half years you're marginalizing the value of moving from 1.8 to two in my opinion it's still a pile of money it's still a tax increase on residents folks are still going to get service I don't think this government's going to do without I don't think our citizens are going to do do without always figure out how to make it work and I think makes people uncomfortable when it's a challenge figure out how to do it so you know if I'm willing to give up something if you all are commissioner I look at this chart I can throw a few few more up there I can tell and I gave it to you I gave it to you um and I think we're doing we're you're doing our staff and our commission and all the work we've done a disservice a little bit because we are very lean machine there is no doubt that we are already very fiscally conservative we per capita County government property tax levies the average per capita County government property tax levy in the state is 784 we're at 664 the average total property tax millage rate is 16.54 we're at 16.11 we're 28 we're the 11th largest county and we are the fifth largest municipality in the state the fifth largest country government body in this state and we are 28th so there is not a lot of fat in Pasco County Government there is not if there was this number would be much higher much higher so every time we're up here making a budget decision we do it with a knife and scalpel and when you so if you want to start scalping out things it's things like a library it's things like a park and it's a fire station because there's no there's very little fat in Pasco County and these numbers prove it so I I understand the desire but we're already pretty darn skinny and so when you're going to take that scalpel it's going to be real things and it's going to be real things that people feel because that there's

nothing left we are a very lean machine here I'm very proud of that I I have neighbors my Gulf Harbor neighbors who have moved down from New Jersey and New York and I hear it all the time I cannot believe you guys run this government on this budget I just can't believe it I just can't believe it I hear it all the time and these numbers don't tell the story that we are a very fiscally conservative County and I and so if if we're going to talk Cuts it's going to be tangible things that it's not turn the lights off at 8 instead of 10: it's things will be gone because that's that's just the nature of the Beast because we are a lean machine and I'm proud of it so I'll add just just to that looking and and commissioner waitman do appreciate your your movement on that it it does result in an approximately eight a. half million doar tax increase over the you know going from 1.8 to to 2.0 Mills I think what you're suggesting there is another eight eight and a half million dollar of general fund cuts that to offset that um if that were if that were the board's wish you know yes this this calendar this fiscal year you make that reduction whether you do it if the board elects to do all of it unto itself right um I think commissioner waitman had mentioned a proportionate pain model which which would put some of the bone some of the cuts on the sheriff's budget but some of the cuts on the clerk's budget other constitutionals and the boards um but assuming 100% of it that the board decided to absorb 8 and a half million that Library project that that that could be something that could be deferred this one year what I will caution the board on on is is that because a third of the fire rescue's budget is already in rescue we we would not be touching those numbers so there would be again a disproportionate amount of pain that would have to come in future recurring costs in other words I still have to find another 8 and a half million next year that could come from if taxable assessed values are 16 million back to the board that's what we get 8 and a half million are gone because I'm going to need to find how to pay for that cut and your roll back rate ratchets down correct everything ratchets down so again this gets back to some of the things that others have spoken about if there's a if there's a Fallout or the bottom drops out of the market um that becomes a double whammy uh again it's it's how do you you would have to you know recover from that and at some point if if it's not then I will be having that you know you have to ask the board um for Clarity on what its priorities are in terms of of funding I should br up good point if you're going to talk about reoccurring money you can't just take a capital project because you get whacked the next time so even that idea doesn't even work for what we're trying to do I mean it's I don't I I mean the sheriff came pretty hard at us with all the apartments going

up there he says look all the growth coming in there growth is a year or two behind we need to get caught up and that's why we're putting that money into the budget to go fund those deputies so that takes the 10 deputies away from the sheriff I don't know what it takes away from the property of the clerk's office I don't know if you want to find out what that does to you guys I mean we can we can show you the slide I mean I I can put the slide of the additional recurring monies I mean you can always start there if you wanted to remove recurring expenses right Pasco Hope was was a million dollars right you know that addresses your homeless issues um or begins to address that right we we had we had some some positions that were in there we contracts are must pays um you know we have a number of of of things that have to be if you want to put the the 10 additional deputies on the line you can do that I don't I'm just collectively as a board I'm I I I'm just saying um again when you make Cuts in the general operating millage you know I mean my my my preference would be not to not to play with that number um but of course you know I under I I I understand we did go through we did scrub to the commissioner's point we have never I've been in this County for for almost 10 years I've never gone back in the middle of the summer and sat down with the County Administrator and been asked to rescrub my budget and I did that across all funds and we we scrubbed down another $113 million across funds not all that was general fund but those were that was an effort uh to demonstrate to the board and the people that we are serious and that we are trying to be fiscally responsible and that we do run lean um again anytime you cut that General operating millage that do have a compounding effect again over time um that's really all I can offer to you on on making that call there's another issue if you cut back capital projects you know what happened out at out at the Wiregrass those fields were not built they went from being a cost of 5 million to what 12 15 million I mean they jump they skyrocketed in the cost so any Capital project the library or whatever that you cut back today you're going to need more money for and in the future so those those cost us a lot of money those those things are needed those libraries are needed fire stations are needed they're going to only get higher in cost not lower and so if you you skinny this back to cut it and kick the can down the road that down the road is going to hurt this County even worse than what what you think the upch charge is right now and and you know to the wide grass field just talking about those today yeah yeah right we talked about how we're going to spend all this money now because what the board didn't do what they should have done before right is that something kind of what we were saying right so guess what this is exactly the same thing you're looking at even if we put off the library just to cut the number down that Library could go up in price

again we' be just like the fields we've worked real hard for a long time and we've been very fiscally concerned which I know you know we have been but this is like big stuff right here this is heavy and I think you you've heard you've seen and this is a it's a tough move it's a tough position I I don't I don't disagree this is heavy this is incredibly heavy uh it it's I don't take it lightly at all I know one ounce this isn't Fun uh but I've I've made my recommendation uh I'm going to stick stick with it and um you know I'm equal a haircut across the board if if if that's able to be done with all the other elected offices if not we'll you know let simple majority take control there and call vote on fire so to be clear if you want to do a proportionate share with everybody what does that mean I mean constitutional is I'm saying that's what you're saying right hair an equal haircut across with everybody so what would that mean with the sheriff's budget I mean it the sheriff's on an operational percentage basis the sheriff is approximately will to say 34 35% of of the total pie so if you were to cut a million dollars then the sheriff would be you you're asking the sheriff to cut 350,000 from his budget for every million what's what's what's the number though well I I need a millage to to do the calculation to tell you the real number where where where do you want to see it you know are we are we shaving our head is this uh this is my frustration chairman in this in this we give direction and get nothing back like I'm saying Hey give it let let's get a get a a map I know the administrator is going to disagree but that's why we give direction I've I've been very clear in this process of what I want to see and it's and we're having this conversation now so we've we've provided you with the information for a 2.0 mil on the fire mstu right now I am looking for guidance if if if you were suggesting an equivalent reduction in the general operating millage we'll say 0159 then then yes those numbers are approximately $7.2 million across the general fund if you were to make that haircut equal it would be $137,000 for the clerk $122,000 for the property appr ER 2.4 million for the sheriff 113,000 for the supervisor of elections $222,000 for the tax collector although I don't think we can do the tax collector yeah um and then appro so my numbers actually are slightly off um but approximately 4 million uh for the board for the board of County Commissioners I'd like to see us come to a vote is there a motion to adopt the millage rate for the general fund of 76076

Mills that's no let's keep in the mill just way just as St is right now current millage right now as as proposed make that motion we have a motion I would like to lower that to time um and keep the fire mstu where we've cut it already and know that that's a it's a it's a can kicked even at 2.17 2.1 [Music] 59 um and that's that's my trade but I don't want to cut out the Wesley Chapel Library I don't want to go that deep but I want to start um I think it is okay to go to something like 7575 7. 7.58 let's do something and and then next year let's do a little bit again and just slowly tweak that um but but to do that on the backs of our citizens being able to have someone would you please be quiet to um to be to do that on the backs of our sins not being able to have to be able to rely on an ambulance coming to their house to save their loved ones life is irresponsible all right so the motion from commissioner Oley dies right now commissioner starky I did 7 what did I say 758 or something along those 7575 575 7575 uh would the board like me to calculate the overall impacts I think we need to hear it yes so approximately 1.4 million would um would would need to be reduced from the general operating budget okay 7 point my motion is 7.57 to roll the millage to 7.5 and to do it and I would like to suggest we do a little tweak next year again little but it adds up in the total scheme of things is there a second see I'd rather start at two and we tweak the two next year we can't we can't why can't we we have to do the millets first kind of negotia go ahead second there okay we have a second from commissioner Bradford for a roll back in our millets that our administrator does not want Jack you can you have to call that question I'm not well if we call that question we're going to have to reconsider it later on yep so do you really want to go that right I think we need to find out okay and and negotiate to what's what the numbers got to be commission wait has the power now to do whatever he wants to do not getting I've laid it out there to what it what it is I what done if we cut if we stay it to for the fire and then we roll back the point the one say 0.15 pull the nine out of it get fire two we cut on General 0.15 across the board everybody where do that leave us I'm lost we have a lot of numbers so I'm I first I I have commissioner starky here with we'll just call basically 100th of a mill right 0.01 roll back and

commissioner waitman you are suggesting a 0.15 roll back um I just want to make sure that that's that's correct commissioner starky how1 so let let me ask this Comm because I'm going to ask once once I get once I get settled settled on that I'm going to ask for a recess so I can go calculate numbers and bring something back to you okay all right let's let's we have a motion on a second so we're in discussion so what motion a second you're a motion you're motion that that if you can count the vote what's the number I'm just saying parliamentary yes ma'am do we so1 your 0.1 Mills reduction Dan what is that number General funds from 7.67 to 7.57 is what commissioner starky had said correct ma'am yes that was seconded by commissioner Bradford 7.57 yeah versus 7.67 right I mean and I'm just saying that to us not to the constitutionals that would just be the county taking the hit I don't want if it was on this one it's not that big of a number so that would result in approximately a $1.7 million reduction uh and what I'm hearing you say is that would be applied to the board only well in terms of budget what do you guys think or is it that to everybody everybody has I mean I I we can have that discussion later uh or you can Ian we have to adopt the budget at another vote we have a motion to Second for that number that's 1.7 mil before I get to that vote I know what's going to happen on the back end over here and it's going to be rejected so I think you should withdraw the vote and withdraw the motion at this point what now if we if you vote to go on this one here be got rejected then so what's 7.57 so so what commission and carbal and I in our discussions he called what's no disrespect with what's been offered ceremonial not looking for ceremonial people need relief now and we have an opportunity to provide that to them not something ceremonial I think it's the beginning of of an opportunity to keep taking steps to roll us back as the years go by I think we should make that commitment and slowly roll that back as our values and you know so to your point commissioner if I may Mr chair I mean to that point if if the board you know through just being my first budget uh cycle here in in the chair I've I've seen some some ways that we can do things better in terms of you know working working providing some transparency and things like that back back to the board on on a number of different things um if the board is willing to provide Direction and it wants to see County go in a different direction and provide that input to the board in terms of programs and priorities and things like that then you know that's that's certainly a way a way to proceed um you're you're talking incrementalism or a gradual type thing I mean we would

have to discuss that during the next budget cycle well going to hold the conversation that's fine sir so I'm going to call a vote uh the motion right now is to go to 7.57 yes sir correct all in favor say I I I I'll oppos I vote that's four you need to do a roll call vote okay so roll vote sorry okay district one commissioner Oakley I District Two commissioner waitman oppos I think we can go back do better District three commissioner starky hi District Four commissioner Bradford I District Five chairman Mariano I motion passes 41 is there a motion to adopt the millage rate for the transportation trust fund of 0.00 some moveed second roll call vote district one commissioner Oakley I District Two commissioner waitman hi District three commissioner starky hi District Four commissioner Bradford hi District 5 chairman Mariano I Mr gory all righty then at the first public hearing presented a millage rate of 2.30 Mills this rate allowed the fire Municipal Services taxing unit fund to maintain the reserve Target for the next 10 years the board asked the team at that hearing to calculate a millage to maintain the reserve Target for the next five years instead of 10 this results in a recommended tax levy of 2.59 a 32.11 per increase from the roll back rate of 16343 the increase in property values results in an additional $15.6 million in revenues the budget includes a negotiated firefighter wage increase software equipment and Technology upgrades and a first responder mental health program I would ask the board to accept public comment and then vote on the fire mstu fund millage rate and Associated budget a unanimous vote is required to Levy this millage rate according to the maximum millage rate calculation does anyone wish to speak to the board regarding the fire Municipal service taxing unit so uh chair at I spoke to the County attorney and he suggested because they just said property tax increase that I call their names if you if I call your name and you've already spoken you said what you want to say you can just say pass um Joseph LK William Lawless I think he left anarie Ryan I think I watched anarie walk out is she still here if if you want to speak you can come to the podium this is for the fire um uh municipal fire taxing unit and then you'll have to state your name and address again for the record thank you Miss Ryan my name is Amory Ryan um after hearing all the information that's been given by the staff and by the board and and listening to all that's involved I've changed I I I do wish that we could do that it would be less I think we can do better I think we have to hold our Senators and our Representatives on the state level to help you out get you them funds that you need but I am in favor of

the fire department having the funds that they need we'll find a way to find a way but we have to do better next year I represent a lot of people and and I I I appreciate all that's taking place I I appreciate you too Seth but there's so much at stake and I that's my opinion I think you have to respect what's been done they've given back 9 million and and um I appreciate all that's been put into this by everybody my mind thank you Miss Ryan okay so next is Julia AO day Hustler I too agree that the priority here is the fire department you identify how we get the money pardon identify yourself for the I'm sorry okay Julia hler 29547 bird ey Drive Wesley Chapel Florida thank you because of the growth of our county is is imperative that we have the proper amount of services regarding firefighters and the sheriff firefighters is today's topic I think the way that you guys are working and the way they have shown the the cuts that they have done I think I just pray that there is other ways maybe in tassi that you guys can get more support in order to be able to do all the things needed but right now the priority is the firefighter so I am for that thank you thank you Janine Duffy Kathy Julian pass Cindy scar she left um Chris steans Chris Evans 41243 Nipper Road Zephyr Hills Florida 33540 I too am for the firefight ERS as I said earlier something a statement that was made at the last meeting was we haven't raised this amount I think you can check the minutes on this we haven't raised this amount in nine years now that was disingenuous what you were talking about quite possibly was the millage rate and as we all know a rate is a rate on an amount and in this case the amounts are ever increasing the assess on our homes every everyone's already said every time a sale is made to an out ofor or we a new everything gets reassessed the property taxes could double after that even our save our homes we're up at 3% the rentals businesses commercial they're all much higher than that it's an ever increasing amount so we're talking about a a rate increase on an assessment increase so a rate staying the same on an assessment that is constantly increasing that bottom line will constantly be going up and as I discovered eight years ago we were spending about 35 million on fire this year it'll be almost double that 70 so the amount in fact has gone up I'm all for firefighters I'm all for figuring out a way to make Cuts so that they can they can do whatever they need to do but um quite frankly I'm tired of the pie charts I'm tired of all the charts you know you have people come up here and say you know could you put that pie chart up here again you know tell us all

again repeat yourself again what is it going to be like if we do nothing is it going to be bad it's going to be bad are we going to be in the red we're going to be in the red are you kidding me we're all in the red have you been to a grocery store lately we're all suffering my question to you is why are you going to alleviate some of your suffering by making us suffer more I am for the firefighters Crystal Springs awesome he's here five minutes it always can be better that's another thing I'm tired about it it's a life it's a life you know five minutes shave off to three minutes why not just make it 30 seconds I mean it's never enough you got to draw the line somewhere I mean you know I've needed fire and ambulance and I just wait like everyone else I'm all for making that amount better but it can always be better you have to weigh and balance and right now you've got people hurting that's what you've got to balance against okay thank you and then I think the only one left online is Vincent Gano Mr Gano did you want to speak to this or did you want to pass I think at a 2.0 the firefighters will be able to do their job and Mr Guana just for the record can you give your name and address since you're gonna Carano Vincent Gano 8204 L Del ra Drive okay thank you go ahead now thank you did you want to say anything else I no ma'am that's that's all I appr okay thank you that is all that I we have signed up that are still here anyone else from inside the audience that hasn't spoken yet that wants to speak okay we close close public comment is there a motion to adopt the millage rate of 2.59 Mills for the fire Municipal service taxing unit Mr chairman I would make a motion to go 2.15 for the fire Ms second to okay roll call vote commissioner uh district one commissioner Oakley I District Two commissioner waitman opposed District three commissioner sari I District Four commissioner Bradford I District Five chairman Mariano I motion fails 4 to one we're going to have more votes here okay is there another motion CH I make a motion to increase the fire millage rate from 1.8 to 2.0 there a second well this is high drama can't say I've ever been in this position Mr cabal will you please State the value of the increase of 1.8 to 2.0 yes sir the value of that increase is approximately 8.5 million uh this fiscal year in that fisting millage of 1.83 and then next year when we go into the next budget we have the ability to do this all over again and take a measured approach uh that is that is correct Mr Carabella how much money did we go in reserves last year at that 1.8 number I'll have to check with budget I

actual am yeah what was the amount into Reserves [Music] help if I said maintain current knowled what we put in the morning don't know I've got I got food in my office got the rest of my l for that's what's in reserves what what do we what do we lose how much do we go into Reserve last year from the previous 17 million oh 17 million no we didn't use any reserves last year so like we're approaching Break Even correct yes okay you can to come up a little higher Mr waitman commissioner wait I'm for thank you for the question chair I'm for dipping into the reserves our people in our in our County are dipping into their reserves to pay for their way of life every day and if we have the ability to dip into the reserves to offset it I'm all for it the reserves after talking with the administrator is merely a recommendation there's no penalty to dip into the reserves other than it's just board policy to maintain 60 days of of reserves that yeah that would be the reserves of the mstu so these would be the reserves of the mstu and I maybe now might might be in well yes it would be the reserves of the mstu correct not not the general not General operating reserves mstu reserves would be yeah would be lesser so if there's an event then yeah that's that just becomes something we have to deal with if it happens but why couldn't we use General Reserve funds as a backup uh there and County attorney could probably Enlighten a little bit but there are some told the commissioner I don't believe that you can you you can co-mingle the mstu funds and the general funds you're adopting Municipal Services what we're going to end up doing is end up cutting services lot of upset citizens cuz that's what we're dealing with we're cutting services we might have to cut a department or two out that we normally would take care of and we're kicking a can I'd have to go bye by and Comm commissioner Marano by not facing this now don't think that it's going to be cheaper next year it's going to cost more next year so what you're doing is you're going to put more costs on your citizens next year um every delay gets compounded and what you're going to find your your overtime is going to probably struggle well actually we two and a half years we're going to more importantly you're going to be back and doing this in two and a half years again actually less than that less than that so two years we'll be back next year talking about this yeah we can't come back what do you think will happen then what's going to be different the whole I mean we're not exactly sure inflation could go down who knows what's

going to happen within that within the outside world that's impacting people and at that point in time if let's say we get to that point and let's say it's it's better and let's say dramatically let's say gas prices drop down in half right the interest rates Dro down things free up Insurance costs they get those in line with the changes they're going to make Etc we're in a better situation you know what we can do we can cut it then but everything we know right now we got to Bas on what's in front of us right now still opposite okay I'm gonna I'm going to try at I'm going to make a motion to go to 2.125 and we're going to have to face the music again next year which because that's not enough we be back here with another race next year okay no second okay well that's that's all I'm going to vote I don't I we still in the I'm very feeling bad about keeping commissioner Bradford sitting at a desk in a suit through this what's that me Mr car explain the reserves Ms reserves what's in there what's it mean if worst case scenario happens how much money is there as a backup if we have to dip into it so I think currently U Mr gorg stated we had $17 million in reserves so I think if um you know depending on what uh what the millage rate is set based on expenses we would we would draw a commensurate number of reserves down I believe under the FY 24 scenario as budgeted we would certainly dip into those reserves I do not know how deep off hand at just just 2.0 well actually I don't think we will dip into Reserves at 2.0 we would dip into reserves of a just flat millage 1.8 so we will we will take approximately 5 million from those reserves this year alone just to pay where we currently are so you would need to get back you would have to have five plus whatever so it's compounded next year yeah to get back to where you need to be so it's a it's a it's a irresponsible kicking of a can because we would be in Double Trouble next year there's a compounding effect I mean we would have to ask for an increase next year if there were no increase this year again as I stated before the level of the the level of the millage increase is is directly proportional at this point in time to how how often we would need to come back to request additional funding based on our current current rate of growth and our current assumptions into the budgets think about this commission wa I did I just listened to what he said let me just let me just give you a scenario you get three County Commissioners up for a re-election this is a big deal to a lot of people we know that but we also know and we we're going to be in front of people saying why would you do that to us how would you do that and I'll tell you the three of us are going to be saying the same things we just said here tonight we're trying to protect the people to give them what we think they want to go forward we didn't do anything

with the school board budget that was all them we can't control what the national budget is that's it's all them we can't control what the insurance rights are it's not us mosquito all all we can control is what right here in front of us and right now we're talking about of First Responders Fire EMS and we're trying to cut down the times we're trying to get our people in line to pay we want them to have the confidence as cheap PR us trying to recruit people to get back to us so we can hire these people we want them to know that we're committed to building a the best fire service EMS service on the planet that's what we want to do and chap perz is going to get more help when this board goes forward to push this thing forward to say Pasco County gets it they want on board when we're up in DC we told them all the things we were fighting to do including raising the SS to you they were they were amazed that we're working so hard to make these things happen to bring up fire stations to be the best our ambulances to be the best our fire trucks to be the best and we wanted to make sure we to take care of our people so they're safe can live long lives with their families afterward so this is a big big deal not just for this but where it takes us as a county down the road and the three of us here are going to have to face the gauntlet coming up and we're willing to do that I appreciate those comments commissioner Mariano and uh you know I probably will too with my position uh on this matter know we we did reduce it reduced it from 50 to 35 and we rolled back the mil which I was not thinking we would be doing at the last board meeting so I think we have some wins here I really do what is 2.1 2.125 where does two 2.11 where does that get us it's about $13 million have a motion make a motion for 2.11 Mills I'll second the motion district one commissioner Oakley no District Two commissioner waitman yay District three commissioner starky no District Four commissioner Bradford no District Five chairman Mary Mar hi wow I just came up 9 10 11 12 13 $5 million that's as far as I'm going F that is that is it let's take a five minute break thank you chair yeah I'm pretty certain five minutes commissioner Bradford [Music]

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all right call us back in the session well we've been we tried at 2.59 failed we just tried 2.11 failed is there somewhere in the middle we can go where early Coast commission W Mr chairman to be exact Mr carbal to be exact the 2.11 is an increase from the original number we've been deba deting for however long now of $ 4,813 th000 and $858 bucks on top of that yes from 2.0 to 2.11 so that gives that gives the fund how much exactly what's the revenue raised in FY 24 you want the delta or the total revenue raised the two the the the to yeah the Delta yeah much additional Revenue 13.4 overall 13.4 million with the reserves I think that's sufficient to get us through next year to take a look at it and see unless subject matter experts Mr carala say that that you can't canot you can I heard in your voice that you thought you could do it at where I've been you didn't seem unconfident it would have been a challenge I mean we but now uh this would uh definitely probably take us through four four and a half years 28 29 yeah CH I make motion to uh State 2.11 Mills I studied a lot of history I don't want to repeat it again Mike what would 2.13 bring just a moment what' you say chair 2.13 that would be 14.2 million in additional I would like to see us get a motion for that 2.13 sub moved second call the vote district one commissioner Oakley District Two commissioner waitman oppos District three commissioner starky hi District Four commissioner Bradford hi District Five chairman Mariano I motion fails 4 to one chair how about 2.1 one9 2 what 2.19 that would be 13.8 million can me get a second 5.2 more than the 2.0 a motion is for 2.1 one9 Mills let we get a second Mike we're looking for five years I guess about four years it's about four and a half I mean I would think Dan so three three and a half three and a half years okay thank you I was redoing that in my head yeah it's approximately four years it puts it turns a favor to your even odd election years chair you put us right back in the same seat again [Laughter] well 2.19 a

second try another you made a motion you seconded at 2.11 I'm you know I understand yeah I know I appreciate it I make a motion at 2119 well that one has died for lack of a second I just restated the motion so I'll go back to [Music] 2.125 that a motion that's my motion 125 is the motion M second call the roll district one commissioner Oakley I District Two commissioner waitman posos District three Commission commissioner starky hi District Four commissioner Bradford hi District Five chairman Mariano hi make a concession one more 2.12 second district one commissioner Oakley no District Two commissioner waitman yay District three commissioner St no District Four commissioner Bradford no District Five chairman Mariano hi so we're stuck at 05 difference losing vote make motion for two what what was my last motion the last motion uh 2.12 I'll restate my motion for 2.12 Mills 212 that was 2.12 I okay motion fails let's try the sub someone trying 21 two2 two point I make a motion for 21225 uh do you go out that far do you go out 99999 he'll make it work if it passes four decimals yes second so a motion is 2.1 222 225 motion is 2.1 225 what say this again please motion is for 2.1 225 2.1 22 five from two from 2.12 yes why don't we make the motion for 2122 call it done no I no I I went I I came 75% not 50 just because I had bad MTH you talk you talk about now my new motion is so you talk about 2.12 to [Laughter] 235 I'll second that one I don't even know what the motion is can you rest motion 2.125 so hold we had a motion a second for 21225 right yeah a motion second call the vote district one commissioner Oakley District Two commissioner waitman so my motion was two didn't have a second this is the motion for 21225 it's probably about 10 days differ since Reserve I amended it principle motions for 21225 commissioner o was called he said I I District three commissioner starky I

District Four commissioner Bradford I District Five chairman Mariano I so thank you so um team do you have the first and the second thank you so Mr Cala what where we at on money on this so 13.9 million increase and then 5.3 36 over the original 2.0 and how many years does that give you four years solid for the rest of the script do we have do we change anything or just read from it as it is change calculate the total so we'll take a take a break andate 10 minutes okay 10 minutes takes me long 9999 [Music]

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what oh they're back there there okay I can go hear you day right we're not going to let you go I may be standing here next week still good that's [Music] interesting Mr grig yes sir now we've had the vote Yes I'd like to provide a summary of the eight voter approved Debt Service milit rates these milit rates are Levi to repay the debt service for the general obligation bonds to include two runes each of the jail project the fire rescue Projects Park and wreck projects and the libraries projects the eight individual millage rates are listed on table one in your handout rather than read this chart into the record we have provided copies to each commissioner board records and members of the audience the total of the eight voter approved Debt Service millage rates is 02717 Ms this is a decrease of 0.009 Mills over the 2023 actual millage rate of 2 0.287 I ask the board to accept public comment and then vote on each Debt Service millit rate there is no vote requirement for these millit rates so simple majority or three votes is all that is needed does anyone wish to speak to the board regarding any of the eight Bond millage rates anyone from the public anyone online there is no one on line we will close public comment is there a motion to adopt a millage rate of 0.02 9 3 Mills for the 2019a jail facility Bond some move second distri one commissioner Oakley um hold on I think Mr Bradford's gone that's correct so now we can just go straight votes okay all in favor say I I I is there a motion to adopt a millage rate of 0.234 Mills for the 2019b fire rescue Bond I move and I second all in favor say I I I any opposed is there a motion to adopt a millage rate of 0.0109 Mills for the 2019 C parks recreation and natural resources Bond okay I just have to ask commissioner waitman why you're leaving it up to me and commissioner Oakley to make all the Motions I'm sorry what's going on oh are we not in support of paying our obligations he vot he voted I yeah the these are we went through these are all reducing over time right there's no controversy in my mind around these okay good listen we got them voting let's go make the motion and I'll second it I'm I'll motion for the 0019 Mills parks and 2019 C Parks and Recreation natural resources Bond second all in favor say I I I any opposed is there a motion to adopt millage rate of 0.0107 Ms for the 2019 D libraries Bond move approval second all in favor say I I I any opposed is there a motion to adopt a millage rate of 0.526 Ms for the 2020a fire rescue Bond

move second all in favor say I I I any opposed is is there a motion to adopt a millage rate of 0.0098 Mills for the 2021a liary resp bond move move second all in favor say I I I any opposed and I'll say I is there a motion to adopt a millage rate of 01228 Mills for the 2021 B jail bond approval second all in favor say I I any opposed I I'll now provide a summary of the remainder of one more one more is there a motion you want a rush your last one enjoy this he's trying to retire and this is my favorite one is there a motion to adopt a military of 0.0122 Ms for the 2022a parks recreation and natural resources Bond second all in favor say I I I any opposed all right I will now provide a summary of the remainder of the budget the budget total is 2 b19 m 694,000 can you restate that please does the board have uh any recommendation on the spreading of the reduction in the general fund can you tell us that number one more time I just want I'm sorry 2 billion 109 milon 694,000 122 so was a direction from the board for the reduction and the general fund would that be across all constitutionals and the board or just the board yes across the board equal cut equal across the board the one caveat to that is there are some of the con tionals which have their budgets approved by other entities and you wouldn't be able to exactly that is correct okay and if that happens then we have to absorb that in our yes sir our budget absolutely well the administrator work it out um continue on I would like to ask the board to accept public comment and vote on the budget there's no vote requirement for the budget so simple majority or three votes is all that's needed okay we'll now receive public comment on the budget is there any from the public who would like to speak to the budget in the audience no one signed up no one is signed up and anyone online and there is no one online seeing no one we'll close public comment I will entertain a motion to adopt the fiscal year 2024 budget as outlined by staff including those made those adjustments made since the tentative public hearing presented to the county and commission at its regular meeting earlier today and just now so Mo second all in favor say I I any opposed Mr thank you the actions you have taken here today has set the tentative aggregate millage at 9.62 one4 Ms which reflects an increase of 10.75% above the roll back rate I will now read the resolution adopting the millage rates by title only a resolution of the board of County commissioners of Pasco County Florida adopting the final leving of adorm taxes for Pasco County and fiscal year 2024 providing for an effective date is there a motion for approval of the resolution adopting the final leving of

AD vorum taxes for Pascal County fiscal year 2024 second all in favor say I I any opposed I will now read the resolution adopting the budget by title only resolution of the board of County commissioners of Pasco County Florida adopting the final budget for fiscal year 24 providing for an effective date is there a motion for approval of the resolution adopted the final budget for Pasco County for fiscal year 2024 I move second all in favor say I I I any opposed and I'll say I any opposed this concludes the final public hearing to adopt the final millage rates in the final budget for fiscal year 2024 I just want to say Bob I wish you a great retirement thanks sir um you've you've done a great job for us every step of the way uh made tonight real easy but I want to thank my I want to thank my board members I don't think the citizens are coming out to talking to us and working with us as we did this final budget all our First Responders and everybody in the budget team to to go through all the great work you've done to help us uh go through this process and and again to my board of County Commissioners uh I I I appreciate every one of you your dedication your passion was shown clearly tonight as far as how important everything is and how we listen to the people so I thank you all for your support uh and all the hard work that you're doing for the faint of heart no it's not we're thank you [Music] is