09.05.2023 Pasco Board of County Commissioners Meeting (Afternoon Session)

foreign [Music] foreign [Music] meeting of September 5th 2023 please silence all electronic devices and mute your phones we proceed with the public hearing starting with the ordinances item number p45 Mr Clark one was opposed of what was it noticed we approved the publication of this matter in the June 21st 2023 edition of the Tampa Bay times thank you and Steph Denise Hernandez Planning and Development item p45 is PDD 230133 I'll read the title into the record by Elite but I believe this item is being pulled so you'll need a full presentation on the item it's an ordinance amending the Pasco County comprehensive plan providing for a small scale comprehensive plan Amendment to the Future land use map map 2-15 sheet 15 from res one residential one dwelling unit per grocery units for girls safer on approximately 39.12 Acres of real property located west of Happy Hill Road approximately 790 feet north of County room 52 and an amendment to map 2-13 rural areas removing the hilltop business Parcels from the rural area one providing for additional tax amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for repeaters repeal or severability and an effective date we're asking that you approve this item by roll call vote this was presented to the local planning Agency on July 6 of 23 who found it consistent with the comprehensive plan and recommended approval to the board and we do have Krista Nash here to present the item okay just for clarification so item p50 that goes along with this was going to be pulled from consent anyway yes so we're going to hear them both together are we gonna do that now what do you want to do I'd rather you do the comprehensive plan Amendment and then the Land Development code Amendment and then the zoning you can do them one after another but okay not as a Consolidated hearing okay all right so continue on thank you Mr chairman Commissioners good afternoon for the record Chris dimanche with the long range playing division next we have uh agenda item 45 which is CPA s 2209 Hilltop Vistas this is a small scale comprehensive plan Amendment and the request here is a to amend the future land use maps 2-15 of sheet 15 and amend map 213 rural areas the flu change is from res 1 which allows one dwelling unit for gross acre to rest three allowing three dwelling units per gross acre the purpose is to allow 117 single-family detached homes on approximately 39.12 Acres subject properties located west of Happy Hill Road approximately 790 feet north of County Road 52. there is an accompanying rezoning application RC 7623 Hilltop business mpmd which will be heard later today subject properties located in the North Market area as well as in the Northeast

rural area one this is an area of the subject property you can see that it's just north of the County Road 52 and west of Happy Hill Road next we have the context map showing the subject properties in relation to the Lake Jovita npud as well as Village a e of The Villages of Pasadena Hills this map here shows the subject property in relation to the Northeast rural area one a set of properties in the southern portion of the rural area next we have a more zoomed in view showing the subject property in relation to the Northeast rural area typically right there at the very bottom next we have our utilities map showing the subject property its location is east of the Lake Jovita mpud Lake Javita has existing Utilities in place there are some connection points that are adjacent to the subject property which would allow the property itself to be brought on to water in Wastewater upon development existing future land use for the parcel Is Res one and propose would be res 3. Zoning for the site is R1 proposed amendment is consistent with the following policies within the comprehensive plan and staff's recommendations recommend the Border County Commissioners find the proposed amendment consistent with the comprehensive plan and adopt buyer roll call vote any questions just ask this concludes my presentation I'm available for uh questions along with the applicant we also have Amy toll who's uh available to us virtually today thank you any questions well I have a question on the site plan but would that be on zoning the next one okay I have no question Mr chairman Commissioners Clark hobby hobby and hobby ba 109 North Brush Street Tampa Florida based on how the board is taking up these items today I'm going to only talk about the comp plan for purposes of this discussion so you have before you the proposal to take the site out of the Northeast Pasco rural area and that my comments that are related that apply both to the item that is related to the comp plan and the LDC Amendment so I probably won't repeat these again but the comp plan is set up in this area to uh discourage people from running utilities long ways into a rural area to destroy the world character of the area this site has not been rural for many years and when it was sold in 2003 to a residential developer plans were made then and have been in existence since that time for a Suburban form of development and that's why when staff showed you the utility plan uh that the county maintains there's both stubbed out utilities and an easement through the East Point phase of Lake Jovita to serve the site the comp plan says that when you're not in a rural area or you are served by Central facilities you should come out of the rural area Because by the very

fact that you have Central facilities you're not rural um now since the time of the adoption of the Northeast Pasco rural area a great number of things have happened some of which staff just alluded to but in addition to the changes in the creation of villages of Pasadena Hills the board approved not due south but the second South site south of 52 the Grand Oaks mpud which by itself has 900 units and 340 000 square feet of commercial the East Point development is essentially built out at a res 3 density within Lake Jovita adjacent to the site and the entire site portion of the county that's East of Happy Hill Road is already already res six and has been before the 2006 seven changes to the comp plan when you factor that in the Clinton extension not only plan but the actual construction you are not looking at a rural area if it wasn't a rural area in 2003 it for sure isn't now because our studies show that within three miles of this site there's going to be over 12 000 residential units and over 1.4 million square feet of commercial this site's adjacent to what was a state roadway and it's within a quarter mile of another state roadway so in in addition to that as we talk about going north on Happy Hill Road into what was a rural area that I grew up in uh within a mile of this site going north the city of Dade City is approved approximately 2 000 units that are Suburban in nature and the City of Dade City alone within three miles of the site has approved over 2500 units just in the last five or six years so again the site is not rural and the comp plan is very specific that when you're not in a rural area or you're going to be at a res 3 density which I submit to you as the lowest density this site should be given what's happening at East Point the fact that there's res six with multi-family directly east of the site I think this is a very reasonable thing to do and I don't believe given the small amount of this site that it's going to have any adverse effect on the balance of the rural area this is not going to affect Trilby it's not going to affect Blanton or any of these areas this site and the area we're dealing with is no longer rural it simply is not and it's got the facilities there to serve it thank you thank you any questions to help again okay it's time for public comment here from the public like to speak to this item p45 we have several signed up um and I apologize on this last name Lisa marant if you would oh we're ready thank you this don't have to be it's a legislative hearing right look so then the next items on this on the ordinances of p45 p46 great if you will please ma'am if you give your address for the record yep I have materials for all of you okay move to receive second

all in favor say aye aye so I'm going to talk fast and everything sort of applies to all three pieces that are up today um this property is located in the Northeast rural overlay on a road that was designated a royal Scenic Road the commission continues to chip away at the rural area making the overlay as defined in the comprehensive plan meaningless even though we keep encroaching on it more than one commissioner has ties to the applicant monetarily I respectfully request that those Commissioners recuse themselves from voting on this since either they themselves or their spouse has either been in business with or employed by Mr Simpson according to the Pasco County Land Development code 304.2 this requires a public signed notice to be erected on the subject property it states where the matter being heard involves a specific parcel of land assigned purchase through the county shall be erected on the property unfortunately in this case the public notice requirement has not been met as you can see in the images that I've handed you the picture with the white truck on it shows like you drive to the far left across the street from Lakeview Drive is the public notice sign which you can see on the far right if you turn the page over you'll see the yellow sticker shows where Lakeview Drive is and the public notice sign is situated the green stickers show where the belly wadding property line is the public notice is definitely not located on the belly wadding property in fact I drove by on my way here and the sign is still properly located improperly located sorry I have an image for you on my phone if you need that as proof that I took on my way here the public notice sign is the only public notice for this project on Happy Hill Road more than two weeks ago and then on September 2nd the sign was as you see it I have additional photos from two weeks ago and I videotaped the drive on September 2nd as I drove both happy hill and around on to cr52 they're on a thumb drive I'm happy to give those to you in fact that sign has survived in its current position unmolested even by a hurricane and there are no other signs on the subject property belonging to Walton Simpson Alan Altman and David Johnson accept a trespass sign I can in good conscious swear under oath right here right now that there have been no other signs posted on that property in the past few months as I travel that road regularly even if there might have been signs correctly placed the applicant has a responsibility to maintain those signs throughout the hearing process as I've pointed out for you all in other cases residents should be able to depend on our County Commission to make certain that public notice requirement is met and profit proper public notice is given and posted before it votes on these kinds of ordinances and changes I've anticipated that this important

requirement would have been noted by the I sorry I anticipated that this important requirement would have been noted by the tiny commission but it was not I respectfully ask that the public hearings for this project start over until compliance has been met and accomplished if I were a commissioner I would feel obligated to give the people of Pasco County the full measure of public notice entitled to them by law in instead of proceeding on an issue that I knew had been improperly noticed thank you Carol jenke hello my name is Carol Janke and I live at 12540 Abby drive my properties back up to Ross Lane which when I built my home there was Old State Road 52. at the Planning Commission I requested only two homes per acre to be compatible with Abbey drive Lakeview Timber Run and Ross Lane this is approximately these streets exit onto Happy Hill Road and Roth Lane approximately 90 residents I requested that the proposed driveway cut at Roth Lane be vacated and move farther south on Happy Hill or 579 past the first Lakeview Drive I also suggested the parent parcel of sitting in Massey should have to allow access to belly Walden LLC for interconnectivity to County Road 52 and the Happy Hill exit should be closed except for emergency there is a president the Sweetwater Apartments had two exits Happy Hill Road and Yankee drive a paved road which they own they were denied access to janky Drive in State Road 52 closed for emergency use only this would also protect raw plant which is a big problem we have requests that help numerous times for an old through truck signs the latest being March 9th 2023 anyway the timing and phase plan for this the existing traffic counts were conducted during a peak season based on the 2019 Florida D.O.T this needs to be redone four years later is outdated Happy Hill Road has seen increased traffic and true approved subdivisions Summit View phases one into 406 homes approved in 2005 without an updated Transportation study ordinance number 2005-0905 the northwest corner of Happy Hill Road and Sarah Lynn Drive allowing 75 homes was approved February 8th 2023. thank you Mr chairman the next person who has signed up for p45 would be Rod Bailey foreign my name is Rod Bailey I live at 35005 Roth Lane directly across from the project here just for the record I met with Mr Bailey before this meeting I'm not with the applicant as well uh what I'd like to address here is uh let me get it explicited around that disappointing is here trying to find 52 and I think it's flipped upside down there we go there we go this right here would be the project

the concern I have is safety for the community affecting this project before it even actually takes place currently this is Happy hill going up to Saint Joe this is the major project that's going on uh I have no idea how many homes that are being built here it's from St Joe all the way up to the university up here it was mind-boggling when I saw how many homes are going to be built there or apartments or actually what the project is I I'm unaware of it there was actually currently this project right here but actually it's right here so this is this is Happy Hill right here coming up go back to the other one please this is Happy Hill right where we are buddy right here this is Happy Hill to St Joe this is a major project with numerous cars that are going to be here two three four thousand cars plus I I would estimate this right here is being built there's 33 homes out of 600 that are currently occupied the amount of traffic that comes down here is massive coming down to the new State Road 52. what the concern is existing right now before this is all built this is all built and with the numbers from the applicants attorney you heard how many people are going to be living within 3.5 miles from here where are they going to go how are they going to get out of this area they're going to only be able to get out of this area very limited roadways the main road is going to be to as the attorney was saying to get to 52. so that's going to create everyone to come down this road right here I think it's 23 23 feet something like that I don't I didn't actually measure that but I had a a traffic study that done by big Kent and if you could flick through to those down in the bottom he's he just currently gave those to me I believe Friday I got those in an email format this right here I'm not sure exactly what this is representing these numbers in this data I don't see the formulation in this the next page these are actually and this was sent to me Friday I requested this four weeks ago and I questioned it to the board to have this done not a traffic study a calming study not a traffic study a calming study for Roth Road and what this is reflecting is the the amount of cards going left to right this is Happy Hill here this is raw this is the project right here all these cars that are coming up this roadway are turning right you're gonna wrap it up uh yes so basically what I'm trying to say is I would like to see the applicant if they're going to inline the uh the road right here they need to be responsible for creating some type of calming devices out here it's going to be directly ready it's

going to be an intersection on a 13 grade this right here is extremely Steep and it should be changed from here to down here on Abbey Road or up here it should not be on Roth Road that's a residential Road that's 17 feet wise two cars cannot even pass here and we're asking this this project is awesome so I'm sure you're going to have answers for me or questions because that this is big this is someone's gonna get hurt all right thank you thank you Nancy Hazelwood [Music] yes we do have a motion second all in favor say aye Nancy Hazelwood 34110 a nice place since we are talking about three different items I hope you will forgive me if I go over a little bit on three minutes but we're talking about one right now we'll we'll be covering the other ones afterwards so we're just doing the land use right now okay then I'll stop where I stop and come back and start anyways I hope you took into considerate a consideration what Miss Moretti said and dismissed this project until the proper public notice is available for the public this is the applicant's responsibility and I think we deserve public notice that's correct uh let's start with a reminder in the Northeast rural protected areas granted to the people in exchange for Pasadena Hills which is now actually a part of connected cities that's a fast area some of the same land owners in Pasadena Hills own land in the rural area and they would now like to develop at high density not at rural densities that are allowed in rural area if you take away from Northeast Pasco do we get to take away from Pasadena's Hills and connected City what do we get in return Hilltop Vista project owned by Simpson two buddies is asking to take the land out of its Northeast Rural and triple the densities there this is not in the northeastern world's best interest so I have asked that topography and the Rural Road Northeast girl road record Landscaping regulations applied this is what happened on Ramsey Road when they took down a hill that's about 20 feet is that in the Northeast no it was in a transition area that was not considered part of Northeast rural all of a sudden said it was at high density but they took down a hill and that's what could happen to all our Hills it could start a president um I don't think it's a lot to ask for them the applicant to comply to landscaping and Scenic views and topography for North for what they're doing you even if they are taking an L Northeast rule as the newspaper said this Simpson project I have heard him speak on how important agriculture is to him I'm having a hard time believing that instead of bringing the he's not taking this property back to downsizing and

making an egg he's tripling the density my feeling is that someone must have given him bad advice certainly he would not want to hurt the season the citizens of this County by adding all to all the problems we already have I am hoping he won't do this again now that he knows how much we care yeah I made it three minutes thanks y'all thank you chairman that's all we have signed up at this point that is present anyone from the public would come forward important is there anyone else please lined up again Mr rally good afternoon my name is Richard Riley 20235 old Trilby road Dade City I've been here many a time before you uh and uh long enough so that I can remember that the commissioner is the only person who was on the um uh board when the rural area was first presented and approved to the comp plan the comp plan the rural area as far as I'm concerned is sacred and should not be nibbled away as Mr hobby has suggesting even though it is a very small amount a very small amount but the next person to come to you in six months is going to say oh well you can let that little one go in well ours is only instead of 39 Acres ours is only on on 15 Aces or we'll have a bigger one maybe it's only 275 Acres it'll nibble away on what we were promised we were promised yes Nancy you mentioned before that Pasadena Hills was going to be allowed and this would be protected we have been very quiet on passing Hills however I'm going to violate that right now because I'm going to go on what uh Nancy almost suggested here let's take 39 Acres out of Pasadena Hills how about the middle of Miranda how about the middle of some of the other developments on the curly road that are in the Pasadena Hills negotiated agreement and then we'll let you have this little bit you give us a little bit there we'll divide the whole thing up and then we'll lose our entire integrity and planning that the comp plan remember it's called a comp plan comprehensive plan the comprehensiveness in this case was Bill down there next to Zephyr Hills and Below Prospect and protect from on Happy Hill up from 52 up Bellamy brothers over green swap in Hernando County Down this is our area I will continue to keep saying please keep it sacred thank you very much thank you Mr chairman I'm not showing anyone online okay is anyone from the public to speak to this item please come forward is there anyone else after this gentleman please line up behind him thank you my name is Jack West I live on 34701 traffic View Lane in Blanton and I have a letter for you all with redu with due respect to Senator Simpson and Mr Altman I wish to register my opposition to granting them zoning change within Pasco County rural area

plan the Pasco County Board of Commissioners is keenly aware of the enormous effort put forth by the community to create the Northeast Pasco County rural area plan and the clear justification for its establishment the part uh this part of Pasco County is unique and must be protected from intense development regardless of who is behind it ugly we see many examples of ugly as we travel our local roads every day pills ground down to heaps of dirt on Ramsey Road and Happy Hill monotonous rows of colorless Condominiums crowding handcart Road reminiscent of public housing is this what Pasco County is going to be to Grant exceptions because a petitioner holds great political power or economic power than the rest of us is unjust and Unworthy of our County Commissioners I asked the Commissioners to deny the request zoning change and honor the Northeast Paschal rural protection area thank you hi um Commissioners my name is Sharon Hannah West it's been a long time before I've spoken in front of this group your address please oh 34 701 tranquil View Lane Dade City Florida I know that guy at any rate years and years ago I worked with a lot of people on the northeast rural protection plan commissioner Mariano you were part of that when we submitted that or when the county did to Tallahassee the feedback on that was pretty stellar Tallahassee said never had they seen a cohesive effort of multi-stakeholders like they saw that went into the Northeast rural protection plan people had to compromise there were a lot of no growth people there there were a lot of developers there and we had large landowners as well and it was a good compromise um to say that or to try to make the argument and say well adjacent to it now is no longer rural there's a reason behind that part of the reason is because you stuck by the Northeast rural protection plan and you kept it the way it was people don't want Dade City to look like Zephyrhills they don't want Dade City to look like Claremont and there's a legacy behind all of this so this is not just one small issue at stake here this is quite large we've got a finger in the hole in the dike that if it's removed the precedent is open there can be legal arguments made that what you did for one has to be done for another now when I was at USF I recently retired I taught in the College of Business graduate students Masters and doctoral levels and we talk to our students a lot about Legacies and I am mindful that there's a huge Legacy at stake here and I'd like you to think about yours as well because what we need to keep intact as our Legacy for our children our grandchildren and those

Beyond is a piece of Pasco County the way it was and we can't undo that once it's undone it's gone forever and when they talk about you and your legacy um when your time has come they're not going to ask or talk about what kind of car you drove or what house you lived in they're going to talk about what you did and I'm asking you to please do the right thing today thank you anyone else for me I just like to speak and there's no one on WebEx no sir all right we're going to close public comment back to staff first then the applicant I just wanted to add to the record as we get into the mpud application we have two conditions in the conditions of approval no sir you're not talking about the mpud application now this is the comprehensive plan Amendment we understanding it is a comprehensive plan Amendment there were some comments made with regard to keeping and maintaining topography and so as it relates to Landscaping there are conditions of inevity that can handle that we can talk about them in more detail at that hearing that we just wanted to make sure that it was on the record that it was a response to the comments that we've we've taken those matters into consideration so the 10 the testimony that staff wants to offer is what the board May approve in the mpud later on in the agenda that that's that's what what they're trying you're trying to Tender correct and Victoria's pizzas for them okay then proceed I mean we could talk about that I think it's just that there's conditions of approval as part of the package of this project I won't take those topography and Scenic issues and conservation I can't I can't hear you I need speaker there there are conditions of approval in the mpud that can take the comments that the public has made into consideration at that part of the at that part of the project and I and as far as my position is that that unless their sub-area policies of this comprehensive plan Amendment so the board is looking at the reduction of the Northeast rural protection area to exclude this property and the increase in density to from res 1 to Res 3 and you can and when we get to rezoning you can go into detail about those those conditions correct yes and as we presented earlier the area is subject parcel is adjacent to utility stubbox which intended that this property should have utilities and it is a best practice when we're talking about utilities to make the loop connections uh Terry years ago we had looked I believe at this property maybe this corner and it was like an mpud of some sort or even not sure as comprehensive plan Amendment change or

not but it was something that was happening to Trinity on Little Road in Trinity Boulevard there's a big complex coming in there that the one in Trinity get built this one never did is this the same personal land actually no no okay all right um the question I have is about the signage does the sign have to be on the property or to the up yet I'm I'm asking the clerk to put up on the Elmo we have pictures of the sign being posted on the Northerly Loop of Lakeview directly across so that's first picture but if you go to the second one you can see that yellow house is on the Northern end of Lake View and then if you go to the third picture you can see it's way up the hill and it's not on the Pitman Massey property so I I I we have no objection and we believe we met the notice requirements and so we're not going to withdraw it on any notice grounds or anything like that we're comfortable that we met the notice requirements as the pictures clearly show thank you that's all I needed on this I'll just address a couple of things that were brought up but again I think it's important to remember Lake Jovita was built in the city of Saint Leo the town of Saint Leo it wouldn't have been even been able to be built in the Northeast Pasco area which it later was brought into because it has Central facilities that's the whole point of this exercise if you have Central facilities in place you shouldn't be in considered a rural area and also just be mindful that the board just voted within the last two three months to rezone and change the comp plan on the site directly to the South so the Pitman Massey site has commercial zoning and it's going to have I think the cap is 157 000 square feet of commercial and it was planned for commercial since at least 1975 so we've got res six all up and down the entire property directly east of Happy Hill and we've got Lake Jovita with Central facilities that really was built out at a res 3 density directly to the West what we think we're doing is reasonably stepping down down in the density from the intense commercial and the red six around us into Res three and that's why we propose what we did as to the changes and their effect on the northeast Pasco rural area the board having already made the move on the Pitman Massey one a few years ago took that 20 acres out what you're dealing with today is 39 Acres of 61 000 acres in the Northeast Pasco rural area you can't tell me that's having a material effect on the northeast Pasco area it's approximately .004 of the entire area it's a very it's point I think point four percent of the total acreage of it um the traffic and the other issues we'll address in the mpud but again uh as the the County Attorney has said we're not going to talk about the topographic limitations but rest assured

they have been dealt with in the mpud conditions themselves we've submitted a traffic study and a transportation needs assessment and it conclusively shows there are no level of service failures on the adjacent roadway or the roadway Network caused by the project other than that again this is just following common sense and good planning there are facilities next to the site and there are significant portion of the property that's adjacent to it essentially on two of the three boundaries that are already out of the rural area and at a higher density or intensity than what we're proposing and that's why we're doing it in addition to the fact that we're overlooking now County Road 52 and State Road 52 in the Clinton Avenue extension happy to answer any questions you may have any questions I'll just make a comment as I was here when we did the comprehensive plan many years ago this was an area that was part of the protected area when you get to the cusp of an area especially one that just had a major roadway built right to the South when you get a connection with Lake Jovita now part of the county not St Leo that butts right up to it and you get commercial right down to the side of it which we looked at many years ago to approve that as well I don't think this is encroaching into any furthing further but I think this year coming forward I actually heard there were like 40 50 foot Lots coming in and very pleased to see that it's as res 3 that's not going to happen so I think it is a slow step down in density that mirrors what's right next to Ottawa I mean commissioner just I know it's not on the future land use but just give you a sense of what what's being approved and built out there we've got two other clients that the boards recently approved R4 zonings just across the street in the rest six area those are 60-foot lots I mean it's residential you can't say it's rural and that's really what we're talking about here today it's not you know are we going from an area that's really you know in the middle of Blanton per se that has a very rural field with no facilities near them if if we're in that kind of area if we were two miles north of here would be a different discussion but the utilities are there and that's the reason why all these other projects have been getting approved and they're being built it's because the utilities are there okay okay there's Mr chairman uh I'm chairman go ahead so I asked you this when the when the shopping center came in that's coming in at the point and seeing that picture I don't know what it was Commissioner of where they took down the hill and I remember when we worked on this project we didn't want the hills being they didn't want to be Clermont right only so much could be that's right there's specific limitations that apply in the comp plan now and Mr

steinschneider is telling you that we can't make your decision based on what's in the mpud but I can't tell you that the specific language that was in the comp plan is in the mpud conditions which we'll cover later right okay so just doing the lenses for now okay so that's for the next one I just want to answer the question uh Mr Starkey that that picture that Ms Hazelwood was showing is Ramsey Road and they did cut that down that's a city project not a county project but they extremely cut that down but it's supposed to be by guidelines of engineering and all the slopes supposed to be correct so we did check on them those health things aren't well well they I'm not that was in the city and we didn't have a say in it there's a long history city project with regard to that property and there's a lot of people I grew up with right down the street that weren't real happy about it but it was it was outside the County's control yeah I don't have enough so you don't see it from this property but at this time I'd like to make a motion or proof you have a motion have a second any further discussion did you want to add something uh yes the Commissioners Mr West has submitted his comments in writing and which is for them to become part of the record so we'd request a motion to receive and pop soon motion to approve on the floor any further discussion as an ordinance okay uh district one Commissioner Oakland aye District Two commissioner Wakeman aye District three commissioner Starkey District Five chairman Mariana aye next item p-46 we have proof publication of this matter in the the March 22nd and June 21st editions of the Tampa Bay times thank you Commissioners uh first of all I want to say I'm sorry I'm a little bit off today because I have a very strong headache so I apologize if I'm a little wobbly today so np46's pdd230313 an ordinance by the Pasco County Board of County Commissioners amending the Pasco County Land Development code section 60604 Northeast Pascal level protection overlay District figure 604-1 Northeast Pascal rural protection overly District boundary figure 604-2 Northeast High School we will Scenic roadways figure 604-4 limits to topographic alterations and other sections as necessary for control consistency providing for applicability repealer severability into conclusion into Land Development code and effective date today there's no action by the board required on this item as this is the first of two public hearings this is the um the first reading on the matter and a set for adoption on October 10 2023 comes through with a recommendation of approval for the planning and development department and the local planning agency founded consistent with a comprehensive plan and recommended approval to the board on July 6th of 23.

again this is one of the one of the companion items so you have item 45 P 45 p46 and p50 and this is one of the companion items to that and I know you do have helps signed up to speak on the matter okay thank you so anyone here to speak to item p-46 we have app uh subjects chairman I'm going to just reserve the balance of my time and if there are other questions or comments I'll respond to them about my comments from the last one I think speak to this item as well okay um again Lisa preventing and she's gone okay uh uh item 46. Jack West passing uh item 46 Ashton Anna not showing uh that's all that have signed up and we have none online okay so anyone is here to address item p-46 well I have some yeah okay all right so no public gonna close public comments anyone else like to speak to this item please light up and see here's what three four one one oh a nice place I just want to clarify that picture I had up there on Ramsey Road that was a transition area to the Northeast rural area plan and Dade City decided to Annex it I was hoping that this commission would take a stand on that and say hey wait a minute that's a transition area to Northeast rural but nobody did so now it's part of Dade City besides not being a transition area and they did take down the hill about what 18 feet anyways thank y'all okay anyone else from the public like to address this item okay we'll close public comment back to the board commissioner Starkey this is well you can ask questions this is uh no action first hearing so yeah Mr Stockton um out of town visiting my friend your granddaughter what are we doing here this amends the Land Development code to be consistent with the action you just took by the comprehensive point oh we're not changing anything we're taking out this the property that you later on the agenda to reason all right okay so we'll move on from item p-46 I'm gonna go to our consent agenda and Mr County attorney to read the procedures Mr chairman uh there are two rezoning agendas regular and consent staff will present each application to the board of County Commissioners if staff or Planning Commission is recommended approval and there is no opposition the application will be considered by the board without further presentation if staff are Planning Commission has recommended denial or if there is opposition to the application the applicant will be given five minutes for presentation the opposition will be within three minutes for each individual or five minutes for a group representative and the applicant it will

be given three minutes for rebuttal any individual disagreeing with staff or Planning Commission recommendation or anyone wishing to object to any condition of the rezoning May at this time request the petition be pulled from the consent agenda in which case that application will be heard under the regular agenda later on during the meeting otherwise all rezoning applications on the consent agenda will be approved by a single motion go if you wish to speak to any petition please give your name address and whether or not you've been sworn for the record these are quasi-judicial public hearings the law in Florida is that near public support or opposition of an application is insufficient for this board to take action please limit your comments to those criteria found within the board's Land Development code Mr Clark would you like to swear them in all those persons that are going to be giving testimony in the cases coming up under the zoning agenda if you would please rise do you swear or affirm that the testimony you will give in those matters is the truth so help you God all right if when you come to the podium to speak for the record please indicate whether you've been sworn and state your name and address and if you've got an interesting last name spelling would be great greatly appreciated okay today we have six public hearings items on the consent agenda we'll start with P-47 so we approve we have proof of publication of this matter in the July 19 2023 edition of the Tampa Bay Times okay Denise Hernandez Planning and Development item P-47 is PDD 23 cu-26 it's conditional use under the name of Orlando Health Inc Orlando Health Wiregrass ranch hospital for a helicopter patent and mpud master plan unit development District it's within Wiregrass Ranch comes with a recommendation of approval with conditions from the planning and development department and the Planning Commission okay is there anyone here to speak against this item see no one leaves a php47 on consent p-48 they're approved published in the Tampa Bay Times July 19 2023. p-48 is PDD 23 cu-28 a conditional use in the names of BB advertourism LLC One Source Towers two LLC Verizon Wireless for a 188 foot above ground level Monaco wireless communication facility and an AC agricultural District comes through the recommendation of approval with conditions from the planning and development department and the Planning Commission is joining here to speak against this item believe it on consent and this is right where I lost my call with my carball this morning foreign P40 I do have proof I'm 49 49 Tampa Bay Times July 19 2023. the u-29 a conditional use in the name of Roland a Anna Anna F Dunlop North American Towers LLC West Orange Wireless for a 185 foot above ground level unitable wireless communication facility

in an AR agricultural residential district as I understand that the applicant is does have some issues with condition of approval number one we are recommending approval of a monopole with conditions as included in your agenda packet I will allow the applicant to speak if you want to keep it on consent as I understand that the applicant would like the board to provide allow allow the county or delegate the county attorney's office David Goldstein and Denise Hernandez in planning and development to negotiate condition number one because we think we're pretty close take public comment and close the public hearing for let's let's do this let's just pull it off consent let's just bring it back up to do that all right thank you okay so item p50 we have publication of this matter in the Tampa Bay Times June 28 2023. as I understand that this one should be pulled from consent you do have some folks here in opposition today item P-51 P51 we have uh proof of publication Tampa Bay Times July 19 2023 the amendment left Marlin Capital LLC Fresco named rezoni for change of zoning from R1 in each single family mobile home District to C2 General commercial district with a voluntarily agreed upon deed restriction reserving the uses for C2 also known as the live local act deed restriction comes through with a recommendation of approval from the planning and development department and the Planning Commission they were here to speak against item P-51 we'll leave it on consent and p-52 do we have proof proof of convocation in the July 19 2023 edition of the Tampa Bay Times and by Affidavit of certified mailings and site postings okay on this item p52 we're asking that you um transmit take public comment and allow the transmittal to the Department of Commerce and other reviewing agencies as PDD 230513-514 comprehensive plan Amendment CPA 2308 overpass at I-75 sub-area it's providing for transmittal of a large-scale comprehensive plan Amendment to the Future land use sub-area maps map 2-9 and 2-926 reason rescinding the overpass at I-75 subaria in its entirety of approximately 160.8 Acres of real property located north of overpass Road and to the east and west of Interstate 75 and a text Amendment rescinding sub-area policy flew 7.1.2.6.26 overpass at 75 this was presented to the local planning agency who found it consistent with a comprehensive plan and recommended approval to the board again this is a transmittal of the item to the Department of Commerce and other reviewing agency thank you is anyone here to speak in opposition item p-52 we'll leave then a consent do we have a motion for the consent agenda I'll make a notion that we approve the consent agenda and I think we pull p50 so it excludes p50 okay if I have a motion about a second a

second all in favor say aye aye aye all right any opposed okay now we'll go repeat it 49. Commissioners do you want a full presentation on item p-49 or do you want to just discuss the um the item that are where we're not exactly there yet I think if we just get to the discussion of that okay condition point would be fine okay so as I understand it and I will allow the applicant to speak my understanding um in speaking to David Goldstein with the county attorney's office is that the applicant would like to to have us so for the board to close public comment approve the item depending on us getting together with condition number one kind of like tightening tightening It Up For What the applicant is looking for to get to some sort of an agreement on that well before we close close public comment like I'd like to hear the discussion first sure absolutely [Music] so I think maybe I need to present the entire item to go through discussions well there's no other opposition so there's no one in opposition okay 49. so at issue here is that um so basically this is an application that came to a public hearing with it being a deficient application in terms of radio frequency analysis requirements we do have a radio frequency engineer Mr Chris bonzingo with Omnicom here to discuss that that is definitely beyond my scope of the world um so basically the application um at the subject site is on the south side of that event Fork Road um just west of Bellamy brothers Boulevard and the applicant has an issue with condition of approval number one it did go to the Planning Commission with a recommendation of denial since the Planning Commission meeting our RF engineer did put together radio frequency Maps which is one of the things that was deficient in the application because that item of deficiency has been resolved um our RF engineer put that together we put together some conditions of approval that were um using the expertise of our radio facility engineer and the applicant has a concerned with condition of approval number one which is requires for the applicant to show back hall how this wireless service provider is going to provide service to that actual Tower however that applicant is going to get his or her service because they're based out of Orlando into into this particular Tower again our Mr monzingo is on the call and he can explain that a lot better than I can but I will say that for the record and all the years that I've been doing this job I have never brought a deficient application to the Planning Commission or the board of County Commissioners so you're going to see a lot of language in the resolution that explains

that this is not setting a precedent and and all that stuff that's why this this actual agenda memo is quite large compared to others so I think the applicant is here if you have questions I can answer the questions from a Land Development code perspective um but I will definitely defer to Mr monzengo to answer questions related to RF on this matter thank you good afternoon uh Deborah Marti and Marty healing are we going to hear from the personal line or is that through you I apologize I thought the intent was to kind of like agree on condition one okay um to not have to bring Mr Marvel but if we can you know if we can talk about that no that's fine okay um Deborah mardihugh Martinique land use law uh St Petersburg Florida representing the co-applicants West Orange Wireless the North American that's kind of my understanding at this point too uh Mr Goldstein and I have been at it since I got the condition last week and we worked all weekend so I do appreciate that and I think we're close um my concern with condition number one just in general I've given them a proposed condition is condition number one really deals with a third party vendor that provides back call service up they're not a co-applicant I I have no authority to bind them to the type of information that the county is asking for with that said subsequent to the Planning Commission we have given not one not two not three potential backhaul providers within the area they're 1500 feet from the site we got one this morning that did a site survey Charter Spectrum you're all familiar um this is kind of how the goal post has moved a little bit um initially the consultant said that there's no backhaul in the area couldn't possibly service the site how are we going to get it there from Orlando we disagreed we prevent provided three different back call providers within 1500 feet of the site one of them like I said Charter Spectrum this morning said they gave us and the other thing that consultant has said is that it would be cost prohibitive we have an estimate of a little over 17 000 this morning I don't think anybody would say that's cost prohibitive when you're looking at building a 500 sixty thousand uh Casa the towers 560 000 so twenty thousand less than twenty thousand is not cost prohibitive I provided that to the county attorney so mainly that first condition being asked to bind a third party that is not part of this application I can't do that um what we could do and where we're at and I guess we're still fine-tuning the language is we've provided this letters of service availability um we can provide even though no other communication provider has ever been asked this we can provide the memory a recorded memory and the release between the two co-applicants because that's

tied to the real property we can provide a memorandum of lease um regarding the back haul once it's entered into prior to Turning dirt so that's what we've offered and we said if and and of course the installation of the wireless equipment would be part of the building permit and again those I this has never been asked of any other Communications provider so we're still negotiating Mr Goldstein can confirm that I don't think there's any other issues there's been no other objection this is a type of service that is um important in the rural area it's competitive service and West Orange Wireless is currently in Lake Orange County their service is imminent and Osceola just last week on August 21st I had them approved in Polk County this will be our first site in Pasco County and we're trying to provide a competitive wireless service Communication Service to this area so if you would allow us to continue to negotiate that condition if we come to an agreement I guess I'm not gonna guess on your protocol but I guess it would come back on consent if we can't then we'll come back and do a full presentation I mean we could continue until a later time well there I mean we want to be treated like other people that on the consent that there's not really a Land Development issue it's a condition of supposedly proving that our Communications provider has the infrastructure the ability to put the infrastructure in place to service the tower that we've jumped all those hurdles but we're still fine-tuning that okay so I think it's generally accurate I think we are close on the language I don't think we're quite there yet has um the applicant just mentioned we're getting some information for the first time today we just haven't had a chance to evaluate it and put it in the form of condition that's acceptable to our office and staff so my recommendation would be that you go ahead and close the public hearing approve the item delegate authority to the accounting attorney's office and staff to negotiate a revised condition one and then put it back on your morning consent agenda if it export me yeah I just don't have to bring everybody back here if we can reach agreement on that condition I think we're close okay I think everybody has not really said what the and I've had a commissioner ask the back part you might want to explain why this Tower is different than some of the others so um so backhaul yeah I'm sorry that's from the most people are not familiar with so backhaul is generally their ability to bring their service to the tower in other words when you just when you prove a tower and you put something on a tower

you still have to connect that Tower to something so the back all source is what you're connecting to so the applicant mentioned that they have there's fiber in the area that they may be able to connect to to bring the service to this Tower and then broadcast their service from the tower to home sites we had our app our expert was concerned that they and the state of the Planning Commission they had not identified a backhaul source for their service if we're going to improve this Tower we want to make sure that they can actually provide the service they said they're going to provide on this Tower that's the whole purpose of condition number one we don't approve speculative Towers in Pasco County we approve towers for a provider West Orange Wireless is a provider we want to make sure that they can provide that service so that's the purpose of condition one the applicant is offered a different version of condition one it's fairly close to what we're looking for but it's not quite there yet I do think that we just need some time towards cement the language okay and if the deal and if we can't come to us to a resolution between the applicant and and the County Attorney us office and development services then it would come back to you for the full year okay commissioner Whiteman thanks chair can you clarify whether this is going to be a monopole or unipole um we had originally submitted this Deborah Martin for the record we had originally submitted for a unipole staff recommended a monopole there's technical reasons for it we're fine with that either way it's fine the monopole's fine um I do want to clarify in backhaul every Communications provider I don't care if it's Sprint etn2 well Sprint is now T-Mobile but T-Mobile ATT Verizon pick one dish West Orange Wireless they all need back haul which is either fiber or through microwave connections um to their site every provider needs it and every provider in this area would lack the fiber in the right-of-way because you're not an urban area like if we were in an urban area that fiber conduit would probably already be in the right-of-way and you just run the connection onto your property that doesn't exist in this area so um like I said we started with there is none in the area and somehow it would be cost prohibitive for West Orange Wireless to show a connection back to Orlando where they're headquartered but that's really not the case we've given the County Attorney three different potential service providers and again this morning Charter Spectrum actually gave us they did a site survey that's what was done between Planning Commission because staff asked for more details and we were able to get a cost sorry sorry for collocation opportunities but they're uglier I understand that but did that yeah why do I want to go ugly

okay because there's and and Denise and our expert can testify this to us as well the problem with the unit polls is that in many of the interpols the equipment overheats I heard that that's taken care of now I heard it in one of the planning commissions I'm not sure that our consultant agrees with that okay regardless we we do our let our Consultants speak to it but I think they believe that co-location teaser type co-location opportunities on a monopole than it is on a unit Pole I will say this rural area and we gave photos Sims um which if we came back to a full hearing we gave the photo Sims of both scenarios to the to the staff you can't tell the difference in a rural area um a monopole it Blends into a horizon the unipole has to be a wider diameter so that's the trade-off that you have because everything's got to be housed in the canister so it's either way I normally we do go ahead and do monopoles in this type of area particularly at this height because you can do a slim pull just so you know um but it can go either way and staff was recommended monopole we're fine with that and this is higher than what staff can approve just on its own thank you this would not be a tier two Tower but it cannot be administratively approved yeah just so you know that when they go higher they have to come back for the for the record it's a zoning issue um in this particular zoning and land use you cannot have a tier two it doesn't exist it doesn't meet the criteria in the table commission Whitman thank you chair so my concern with any cell towers and brings out cell towers bring out the best in folks if we're going to have them which we do need them which provide the best service if we're going to have have them I personally rather see when it's going to provide the best service and less impact so what so what are we talking about here so so I think that's probably a model and you can hear from our expert in Denise but you actually just approved the tower I think on your last agenda where we had a carrier actually leave the unipole because they could no longer provide service on that unipole and have they build a new tower well how far away was it yeah on a monopole tower because the unit pool was insufficient to provide service because their equipment was overheating in the unit pool so if you're asking my opinion which is going to provide the most opportunity for co-location and providing service it's a monocle but we can get Denise or Chris to say the same thing but I'm sure that's what they would say okay and Denise if I could we talked a few weeks back a couple weeks back about conditions for these polls how they look and I told you about the one that was put in my neighborhood where they do a great job replacing the sign

when they need to when you make the call but I know you're working on conditions to make sure they're going to look in a first class condition as when they go up instead of peeling paint is there a condition you can put into this especially if we're going to go monopole um so for the record I just want to say that it this item has been on the ordinance development team agenda for quite some time to develop um to develop maintenance standards for these Wireless Communications facilities because we are seeing some that are either peeling paint or the unit poles that are out there some of them are missing like the sheathing has fallen off um I'm not going to mention which one but all of us know which one we drive by there all the time um but I would feel uncomfortable to put that condition on this applicant when you just approved another one just a few minutes ago and it didn't have that condition but but please understand that this is something that we're working on through the Ordnance development team to have maintenance standards for Wireless Communications facilities well maybe we should volunteer to do it so um Miss martiue can explain about galvanize Deborah Montague galvanized is not painted it's um so you remove that maintenance issue the unipole might be painted and then you have the maintenance issue it's just two different it's another Pro I guess maybe to go to the monopole okay okay so I want to apply to this one very good I am Mr Starkey I'm okay for them to take out the agreement well let me let me go to public comment first close the public comment and then I'll let David recommend the motion Okay so so vitamin P 49 is there any any public comment to this item um uh Gary Brundage is the consultant uh Jesse okay uh and none others okay uh no one on WebEx and no sir okay we're close close public comments that was to the board and David or Jeffrey Jamaica motion how you want it to be that weekend prove a delegate Authority for us to work out condition one especially is the most and we bring that back to you on your consent agenda at the next meeting okay okay yeah all right so emotional secondary p49 all in favor say aye aye any opposed okay thank you all right item p50 you already said we approved yes we previously announced thank you Mr chairman again for the record Chris the monster long range planning division next we have uh Hilltop business mpud CDD 23 7623 this is a zoning Amendment request from R1 to npud master Planning and

Development purpose is to allow for the development of 117 single-family detached residents residential units on approximately 39.12 Acres on the west side of Happy Hill Road approximately 700 feet north of County Road 52. such a property is located in the North Market area and in the Northeast rural area this is an area of the subject property showing its location and proximity to Happy Hill Road and County Road 52. current zoning on the side is R1 current land uses red one although we did hear a public hearing earlier today adopting natural risk so we this is a master plan for the site you can see the site's location its vicinity to the lake Devita npud as well as the Red Arrows identifying access points that access point of the South would be for future development on that parcel that is located just to the immediate south of the subject property so once those two developments come into fruition they would be cross access between the two context map here we're showing properties location with regard to Lake Jovita and PUD the applicant is seeking uh following variance variation from the Land Development code LDC 901.6 point B 0.11 Street design and dedication requirements design construction continuation existing Street pattern and Street access to the adjoining property the applicants requesting this variation and planning and development department is amenable to the applicant's requests and supports the requested relief from the cited sections of the Land Development code since the development to the West which is the existing Lake Javita East Point and PUD master plan unit develop development is a gated cul-de-sac neighborhood with no opportunity to connect to the north of properties in the Northeast rural protection area with res one future land use and AR agricultural residential zoning the parcels range in size from 1.6 acres to 13 acres are individually owned and each has a residential unit less than a half a mile on the to the north on Happy Hill Road is the established Happy Hills Estates a rural residential subdivision with 18 homes due to the size of the adjacent lots and the Happy Hills Estates development to the north a meaningful opportunity for a parallel roadway to Happy Hill Road is not viable or appropriate in this location staff recommendation is approval with conditions and I'll stand by for any questions along here okay thank you any questions Steph to the applicant Commissioners Clark hobby again I apologize for my slow walk up here I pull my calf muscle last week so I'm moving it in slow-mo I'm not trying to be dramatic we've talked about this project already at this point in two different agenda items but I did want to say a few things uh about it just to make sure that the records cleared that our team and our client in this matter uh take the area

seriously how what we develop in this area matters to the area and we're trying to do a quality job we when we first took the project on we looked at what was surrounding the site what the board had been approving in recent years the biggest uh impact from an as-built environment in the area in recent times has been Lake Jovita and East Point specifically to our West and if you were looking back at the aerial that staff showed you just a minute ago maybe staff can toggle back to that you see clearly the form of development is very much in line with a Suburban form Quebec maybe one more and then to the east of the on east of Happy Hill we've got the you know Legacy subdivision that's been there my whole life but then we've got just north of that and uh immediately it's kind of like it's across Happy Hill and just a little bit to the north is Sweetwater Apartments that St Leo's used for several years has 194 multi-family units so we feel like this is a reasonable transition uh from a generalized compatibility analysis having said that you know we knew there were going to be questions well if you take it out of Northeast Pasco what are you going to do to the hill are you just going to come in there and level the hill do you guys not care about that man knew that was going to be a question and Denise Elizabeth and I are really the primary drafters of what's in the comp plan I'm not the comp plan but what's in the code for the protection of the topography because we all believe that was very important to do in the code adoption process for Northeast Pasco about 10 years ago and so what we did the mpud condition has the operative language from the code in condition number 16. I can't remember yeah it's number 16. so the specific requirements had we stayed in Northeast Pasco are going to apply to this mpud so that not going to just come in there and level the hill I mean they're going to have to build building pads and stuff like that but the hell's not going to be cut down and you can't come in there and just basically try to create excess dirt salt dirt like some people believe it or not have tried to do in Northeast Pasco in the last 10 years and that's what and Denise is here and she'll remember the conversations we specifically wanted to prohibit so we were very cognizant of that and then when it comes to the landscape buffer and this really was one of the reasons why we wanted to come out of Northeast Pasco in general this obviously is not a rural area anymore on this site and the board's already made that finding when you changed it to rest three in the early earlier adoption item what's in the Northeast Pasco landscape and setback buffers assumes that you're in a very rural area and that you have hundreds and hundreds of feet of setback rather than do that which basically would have meant the site's completely undevelopable what we did was we doubled up on the Landscaping as far as the amount of trees that are being planted they're upsized from what the code

requires it requires extra shrub planting and then there's the six foot opaque buffer that has to be in there too so the idea would be that we you know we have some kind of opaque buffer with Landscaping on the exterior stuff that we've talked about on other sites that is really more appropriate for a Suburban form of development but the the pattern of development and the density of the development that's being proposed here today is consistent with what's in the area it's a responsible way of doing the development you know and from our discussions with the home builders and who we think is going to ultimately be the home builder on the site we don't even think we're going to get we may be as slow as 10 percent less than the number of units that are being approved here today and the level of development is really going to be more in line with what the uh I think it's called the distinct development ReSound to R4 on the other side of Happy Hill a year and a half or so ago so we feel like we're following all the rules um you know like I said we voluntarily agree to meet the topography and exceed that what would have been the code required landscape buffer on Happy Hill now I do have Jordan Trader here to answer any questions you have and Steve Henry is here if you have questions I know in the community meeting we had many months ago now I want to say it was maybe nine months ago there were questions about the alignment of the access at Roth Lane and some of the neighbors have said that people already cut through Roth Lane to get to Happy Hill Road rather than go down to the intersection and I can tell you that it's Steve's testimony and um County staff believes as well but that the because of the Hill the alignment at Roth Lane is the safest way to have access on this site both because of the topography but moreover because how the turn lane movements have to be spaced so I can save that for rebuttal but that's my general presentation and we're happy to answer any questions you may have any questions Mr Starkey my first question is and maybe this is a Jordanian question um I was looking on your site plan where the pond is out in the northeast corner and when I look at it on your um on this page that's the heavily wooded area um I don't know where the pond is yeah and then I have this thing do you have this page good afternoon members aboard Jordan Trader I have been sworn 3010 West of Yale Street Suite 150 Tampa Florida 33609 so commissioner starkey's asked about the northwest corner whereas the conceptual stormwater Pond is shown and there is an existing vegetative area there as well yeah so is that are you gonna be able to save those trees between the edge of the pond and the property line

so the Topography of the site there's a crested High Point in the middle and then the property drains really three directions to the West is actually closed base in length as part of base and special concern someone's known as doc Smalley's Lake in the back because the topography that's where the pond really has to go and it's not I'm not objecting to you put I'm staying between the edge of the pond now I get that this may not be your exact drawing between the edge of the pond and the property line are you able to save the trees that are existing there and maybe those aren't trees that's what it looks like it is on here so if you look at the graphics right here sorry to shoot so it's that little tiny lot line right there yeah that's where the utilities are actually stubbed out so to develop as it was planned from from the property to our West we will have to get in there and do clearing to connect sewer and water and things so I don't want to falsely tell the board that we would save the trees on the east side I will say that see how these lots are larger than normal East Point was done there's a ravine system in there and there's a significant hammock on the west side that was existing on the east side of East Point in there as well so there's oak trees on the west side of the property that will stay but for utility and drainage regions there will be on this side we have to connect to those utilities that's where they place them well I hope you can save as many as possible I just hate seeing all this piece I completely understand um then um another question uh is this there's a lot of talk in here of 40 foot locks is this a 40-foot lot subdivision the smallest one it's being approved that way commissioner vote we're under contract with a builder the smallest slots that we're looking at now are 50 and 55. so be 50 55 60. that's what we're looking at did we not change that 40s to 45 right or does this not this this one yeah yeah the way the memory is Grandfather because the way the memo is we had our first round of comments like nine months ago okay and I noticed Jordan in your drawings it says it calls out a 10-foot utilities and easement I just want you to know we've we've got that down to a five-foot utility so you don't have to save 10 feet you guys can go at it with five people yeah commissioner thanks for bringing that up we did add a few things in and Denise is going to address those in a minute part of some of the changes she's reading in is the addition of the language to allow us to use up five of the 10 feet so that's being added today all right and um are you doing any improvements along Happy Hill is there a multi-use trail or sidewalk or anything I don't believe there's a trail plan for that Eric it's an existing World section when no pedestrianism is right now we're

providing all the right-of-way for the future improvements of Happy Hill and then intersection improvements at our front driveway there's no there's no sidewalks today on either side that would lead anywhere well that would lead to the grocery store next door that's you're not going to have to go on Happy Hill to get to do that that's the interconnection oh there's one within it right and so the people from Ross Lane if they wanted to ride a bike to the grocery store they would come into your neighborhood and then go south through your neighborhood some of them will be more aligned with the Pitman Massey side if you see the Lakeview Drive to the South if you look at the screen commissioner look I would like to have all new streets in the project we'll have five foot sidewalks on both sides but when they Crossroad they'll be able to utilize this level any other questions if not we'll wait for for rebuttal any questions okay then Denise I'm really sorry I just need to tag team with my colleague Prince Krista Manish here so I just want to let the board know that we did provide to the board members and to the clerk a modified memo and modified conditions of approval your agenda memo has on page four and edit to finding a fact number nine that's going to include everything that I'm going to read now which includes that condition of approval number one was added was changed to add August 2023 as a submittal condition of approval number 10 was modified to add 315 foot southbound turn laying on Happy Hill Road to align with Roth Lane condition of approval number 33 was modified to allow utility easements under sidewalks as was just stated by Mr hobby condition number four modified the master plan residential lot standard chart front primary structure from 10 feet to 15 feet to match the condition of approval and these were all changes that were made by the Planning Commission so that was part of the planning commission's recommendation so we're adding that also for the record we want to uh make sure that the clerk's office and I believe they already have that has X party forms from commission Mariano commissioner Weightman commissioner Starkey commissioner Oakley commissioner Bradford um also from the Planning Commission um chairman Bray John Moody engine and vice chairman Jamie Girardi so I think those are all the things that I may have to say for the record um thank you just wanted to clear the record thank you thank you because it's time for public comment do you have anyone signed up for public comment yes sir um Carol jenke my name is Carol Janke I love it one two five four zero at Abby drive and my property backs up to Rock Lane I didn't understand exactly I couldn't hear all the changes Denise made but we feel this project is endangering the existing homeowners on Abby drive and Ross Lane

Timber Run in Lakeview approximately 90 residents that ends at ontah Happy Hill Road the county already knows they have approved Summit View 406 Sarah Lynn 75 hilltops would be 117 598 new vehicles then add Sweet Water 194 apartment units that's a total of 792 Vehicles without local traffic the current local traffic and future Saint Joe and Ramsay Road the county could insist on a service road on both Parcels Pittman Massey commercial and Hilltop businesses and exit onto County Road 52 and eliminate the buffer because these people coming down this hill will never see the buffer they are literally flying down that Hill and they don't put on their brakes until they get past Lakeview and if you think of it think of the truckloads of equipment and materials that we'll have to make a left-hand turn into the property at Ross Lane and the speed of the oncoming vehicles coming down Happy Hill Road you will have to put some kind of a light at Roth and Happy Hill trucks also will use Roth Lane at one lane 17 feet wide as they did for Summit View and trucks are always knocking out all the mailboxes on the road now as in his stance and they would still have to cross over Happy Hill onto oncoming traffic we asked the Planning Commission to move to vacate the driveway cut at Ross and move it further south past first past the first Lakeview Drive the county could also build a frontage road along Happy Hill Road to to take the traffic off of County 52. I think you need to consider things that will protect the people that already live there and I can tell you I personally saw two incidents that people would have been killed one was my neighbor trying to cross the road on Roth and the other one was the other day a truck speeding through there at 70 miles an hour and nearly hit a vehicle pulling out of the apartment something will happen someday thank you next excuse me um Liz Koch hi my name is Liz kuachandi but 12601 Abby Drive in Dade City uh the problem I have is Adam sworn we're now in we're now in the quasi-judicial you've been sworn to confirm that you were sworn okay you were picked it up where you were sworn I don't know what you're saying did you stand up and take the other yes I did yes okay I'm sorry okay anyway uh my house is the fifth house on Abby Drive in order for me to get out of my house to go under the street I have to go to the end of acne drive and uh Happy Hill Road Happy Hill Road is very busy it's a very busy traffic Highway from my understanding uh Hilltop Vista is planning one exit one in and one out and if they're going to come out on 52 whoever the people that live here the problem I see is the people that are coming out of Happy

Hill or Abby Drive is going to be a big problem because we'll have to wait a while until the traffic goes and yet the other people from Hilltop Vista will be coming out perfect example of this is on Hancock Road I travel Hancock road because I work with hospice and there are three subdivisions on that road I know I go down that road and you can see the people that are coming out of those subdivisions literally have to wait because no one is stopping and that's what I think will happen on Happy Hill those people come back and forth on Happy Wheels North and South they're gonna and they're not gonna stop because of the subdivision unless you can possibly build another side road that will help the people that are going to live on Hilltop to get out on 52. Roth Lane is very busy also and it's very small literally when you go down you have to go onto the grass in order for another vehicle to come by so Roth Lane is not your ideal Road something has to be done in order to change their way of thinking of getting out of those from the people that are going to live in those homes to get out onto the road maybe another road maybe a side road the other on Hancock one of the subdivisions what they did was just recently they enlisted a stoplight literally one of the subdivisions put a stoplight and now people are stopping to let the people out of their subdivision so if you can consider that planning when you do the roads it would be a big help to the people that live on on Abby Drive the people that live on Abbey drive they've been there for 20 almost 30 years myself I've been there for over 40 years so I know what the traffic's been like and how much has it increased so thank you for your attention thank you number 50 that's all we have signed up and there is no one no one online okay so anyone else would like to address this item lower again Commissioners my name is Rodney Bailey yes I have to the store uh well just I'm sorry Mr Bailey very first one with the arrows is with my ex parties I did meet with the gentleman earlier today and again my issues are pretty much safety as far as the roads I'd really like the board to look at this ingressity Ingress and alignment with broth it's mind-boggling I live right on the corner I see it every day and to say that Sciences that's the best place to put it it's mind-boggling to be absolutely mind-boggling we're going to put an intersection on a road that has no speed limits there's not one speed limit inside right now on Happy Hill if you drive up and down happy Hood if you're going south there's two going north one at Summit and right at the intersection that could be easily changed that's fine the intersection can't be changed so we're going to put an intersection not a left and right hand turn lane it's going to

be an intersection it's going to be able to Traverse left and right going east and west and north and south on the 13 grade insanity it's not an accident an accident is an unsafe condition or an unsafe ad if it if there's an intersection put there we're creating an unsafe condition or an incident it will not be an accident when it happens it needs to be looked at a little bit further other than just saying it's going to be right here Sciences says that I want to see that other than verbiage I haven't seen that I have testimony from traffic I believe and it's showing five going this way before going that way I sit out there I see the incidents my wife is in a wheelchair I can't even wheel her down Rock Road it's mind-boggling I'm getting upset with this that I am getting confrontational with people traversing back and forth off of that road because it's only 17 feet wide my mirrors on my truck are nine foot from Mirror to mirror get two trucks together somebody's got to go off the roads now I'm pushing my wide where there's no sidewalks so my time's about up which it is you have another minute you have another minute um what I request from from you all is to resetting this table this project until traffic is under control don't say the alignment is there that's the way it's going to be and we can't do it up here we can't do it down there we absolutely could if you did a little formulation it can be done before somebody gets killed I request them to put in speed bumps calm the road on Rock comment now before this even happens before the 6 000 homes that are built above come into play [Music] it's pretty upsetting um and as far as the left and right turn lane that they agreed upon that's great but now it's an intersection it's not just a left and right turn it's an intersection what are you going to put in there a traffic light on a 13 grade Drive the roads and I'm sure you all have it's crazy there's no speed limit signs none not one posting they're doing 85 miles an hour in a posting 45 mile speed limit and we're going to put an intersection on a 13 grade thank you very much I appreciate it if there's any questions we don't take questions okay anyone else in the public I can speak Nancy hazelwood34110 a nice place I appreciate Mr hobby working with landscaping and topography um I do know that the people that did the solar problems does landscaping and right now it looks like a field of weeds so hopefully he's going to do something

nice there um in the matter of the sign placement there were three of us that went out and took a look at that and I think that the image Mr Bobby showed was actually on Pitman property and not on the Vista property uh if you look at what you have there maybe you will see the sign that shows the um the traffic light and you'll see that the winning shirts the same I'm hoping because I can take a real good look at this that was Lisa's but please be aware that we do not think this was advertised correctly and it is their responsibility to keep the public up with where things are thank you thank you anyone else in the audience here to speak to this item before 701 tranquil View Lane Dade City Florida yes I have been duly sworn in um the only thing that I keep asking myself is well I mean not asking this is really this is how you do it this is how you ensure that Pasco County becomes nothing but a bedroom community for Tampa subdivision after subdivision after subdivision what are we doing to attract real businesses here we need that kind of growth we need that kind of smart growth this is just adding layer and layer of people who just sleep here thank you is there anyone else in the audience like to address this item is there anyone on WebEx uh no sir yeah we'll bring it back to the board yeah it's Clark hobby again I I have some ideas I think some things that are going to help our neighbors out uh we've been told by the County's Transportation engineers and our transportation engineer that the alignment with Roth Lane is the safest alignment based on toppo and how far off of the intersection at 52 you have to be but it's obvious to me that we're causing a lot of consternation with our neighbors at Roth and so we want the opportunity to further evaluate this leading up to site plan approval so what I was going to ask the board is if there are two references and condition A and B where it talks about where our access is going to be and and what I would like to do on both of those is to Simply end A and B after the words to project access so it would strike the words to align with Roth Lane that way the county staff and our Transportation consultant can further evaluate this and if there's a safer better way of doing it we're all for it I mean we have to have an excess onto Happy Hill Road but we want to make sure it's safe a couple other things that we thought of that I I think y'all would agree are reasonable and good for the Neighbors one is we will agree to a condition that says we will not have any construction access on Roth Lane that's number one so I'm fine with the condition being added at that point but our client also will add a condition saying that our control our client will

contribute up to five thousand dollars for the county to install either speed tables or speed bumps on Roth Lane because it's a it's a small Street I mean I've been on it my whole life and I know that and I think people have been cutting through there a lot they always did my whole life but they've been cutting through there more over the years as the Dade City projects have gotten built further up Happy Hill that's not where people need to be going so we're okay with making that commitment to the board would you discussed by the commitment we would contribute up to five thousand dollars for the county to install either speed tables or speed bumps on Roth Lane between 52 and Happy Hill Road that would be the what we would add to it okay yeah it seems to me that um a road like that to get into our program to be improved enlightened a little bit the neighbors would love that yeah would the Proviso that and this has gone on a long time in this neighborhood because I had friends who lived there growing up you know the nicer the quality of that road is than somebody can come flying when they're Westbound from Dade City and cut through there and that's why I'm suggesting the speed bumps I think that would eliminate people doing that and also I don't think the trucks going to Dr Weiland's dirt pit the last 10 years would have gone through there if there have been speed bumps either because I hate that because they lose dirt right when it hits speed bump there's dirt trucks going through that road there were there should not be it's yeah they're supposed to be all done now because I think the mining section of that is done but there definitely were and that was part of the County's concern when that started and commissioner Schroeder did a good job of making sure that we shut some of that down but the the other concerns that you hear I think the boards already made a decision that this is going to be a Suburban form of development I think we're being very reasonable and conscientious neighbors you all you know I'm not going to get into who the property owners are but I believe our clients are you know long time business owners and residents of our community and they want to be good neighbors in everything that they do and that's why we're voluntarily offering these things to the board but I'm happy to answer any other questions you may have as well Clark just you just mentioned a comment that we we talked before about this and I thought I heard the Lots were going to be like 60 foot size 50 55 and up is what I'm hearing okay because I'm looking at at least looking to land use as far as condition 29 it shows 40 foot Bots um but again commissioner that's just following the way the code is written okay that's not what we're under contract that's true and it

uh uh I appreciate the fact that you're going to share in putting those bumps on that road I personally have been here my entire life and rode Happy Hill and I've never cut through there I have for anything I admit it I'm on the record but I don't even understand why because I can go to the corner and make a turn with the red light and well it works out but I'd like to uh go a little further and ask Nick to uh with engineering to look at the issue about the science make sure we get speed signs right and and if they're make sure they're at the right speed not not 70 of course people drive you can't you can't fix people that are stupid and drive too fast sometimes so but have them the right way and make sure the signage is there on Happy Hill so but I think I think the project work out and if we put those speed bumps I think keep people from turning down through there I wouldn't go across speed bumps I don't even go across from there no speed clubs but that's a nice area we want to make sure we keep it in that Series so great great with that I'll make a motion approve you have a motion second and uh before we just pull the vote I'd like to just maybe Nick if you could come up for a minute as they have you take a look at this I want you to take a close look at the access where's the best spot to put this um you know we look at Grove Street we were out on site and I just with that Hill coming up to a point at the right before the peak was a dangerous spot I know this is down the hill from the peak so may that line of sights good I'm just I'm just thinking myself if it's further up the hill there's a bit more levelness but I'll leave it to the experts including you especially you to kind of like find out what's the best place to put it sure and the roadway being 17 feet wide it's not in good shape but up in Orlando there's a road where that I took onto a golf course in Resort development and what they did for this one era that seemed to be cut through quite a bit they put these uh uh calming devices continually all the way through so the speeds never get over 20 25 miles an hour I think that type of thing would minimize any cut through traffic because you're not going to want to deal with it um so if you take a look at what's what's best for that 17 foot wide Road should be wider again if you make it too wide you might encourage more cut through might save a mailbox or something but anyway if you take a close look at it and feel comfortable talking about Roth right yeah yes sir okay that commissioner before you all vote I just I did want to reiterate staff provided their corrections to the board and then I read in the changes uh that I'm hoping the motion that commissioner Oakley was making is including those three changes and again that was in conditions 10 A and B to eliminate the words at the end of both of them that say to align with Roth Lane that's the first change then the second change

would be to prohibit construction access through Roth Lane and then the final one would be to add that the applicant developer would contribute up to five thousand dollars to the county for the installation of speed tables or speed bumps I'll make that part of my motion okay how about a second in a second there Mr Harvey they needed a second to revised motion yes all right commission thank you Mr hobby yes sir in the motion to protect the Topo of that Hill that's in the conditions that's not into it's in condition number 16. one moment is that all commission I'm just I'm just want to insurer again on the record that we're gonna we're going to protect the Topography of that Hill not have Ramsey Road happen again Ramsay road development does not have to comply with the Northeast Pasco language it's in the code for Northeast Pasco we're complying with what everybody else in Northeast Pasco has to no but that's a fine example of what I think this board does not want to see happen I understand again so well within our control trust but verify I understand thank you all right Mr Starkey I trust him and verify but I want to ask you a question that's part of verifying yeah I'm verifying okay what what number was that again I think it's 16 16. okay it says here um grading within a slope of 10 or greater so you can go greater than ten percent no that's we have a map that's in the LDC that shows the areas that have a 10 or greater grade and that includes a site so they're already over 10 percent that's there's a map in there that shows you what areas are subject that's how we determined what these special Topo rules were going to apply to which properties I just didn't want you to take down that's that's only that shows you what property is subject to the regulation that's all that's sounds is that true grading within the slope of 10 or greater within the mpud so yeah that's that's the Hobbies interpretation yeah that's that's what the code says shall be limited to development pad area so if it if it exceeds 10 percent you can only put a development pad in right that's the whole point okay I am kind of surprised and that we may not have better plans for the future of Happy Hill um and that's the discussion for us at another time seems like um that road maybe needs more attention as a future in our future Road Network it's a it's a coordination issue with the city of Dade City Commissioner and I thank commissioner Oakley and Wade and Weightman are very aware of that because I think there are a lot of people in East Pasco that weren't quite prepared for the level of development the city had north

of this site on Happy Hill right so we needed we do need to pay attention to it because I don't think that's what the roadway structure was originally set up for to accommodate all that and um that project on the top I think I'm looking on my map it says Summit View I don't know if that's a road or there's some kind of development at the top of that some of you is that is the borrower uh it was that the hill came down somewhat but it's mainly uh there was I don't know how many feet but a significant number of feet down so you go over across the hill and it was mined for about maybe 10 years 10 15 years it had a mining permit okay I feel like we need to send the letter to Dade City we can talk about that I appreciate appreciate your concern though right but just so you know Mr key when I saw that Hill cut down like that I reached out to the city of 82. I had nothing I could really do but I did let my voice be heard about it but did they change it I didn't think it was the right thing did they change it yeah they've gone by the regulations and I had our folks checking for a race I will say Commission on how they cut it down that the your staff is very much aware of these issues now and that there's a level of coordination that was lacking with Dade City and I can assure you that your staff is pushing with the Dade City staff now to get better coordinate things on traffic and to make sure that the city is following the interlocal agreement with the county and there were some issues about whether that was always being complied with but your staff is working on that and do they do do they pay Transportation impact fees like you have to in the county they have their own transportation impact fees they have an impact fees okay they also have impact fees for police officers because that is a large population growth for Dade cities those properties out there okay we have a motion a second any further discussion all in favor say aye aye any opposed motion passes unanimously next level xnp 53 we have proof we have proof of publication of the hearing of this matter in the August 23rd edition of the Tampa Bay Times in addition Affidavit of certified mailings and psych postings Mr chairman just to remind you this is an appeal from the planning Planning Commission decision it is a on the record appeal no new evidence may be presented to you for this hearing you are reviewing the the hearing and transcript that was made at the Planning Commission on April 6 2023. okay Denise is planning and development on Mr steinsmitter explained what you're doing today so this is an appeal of Planning Commission decision of April 6 2023 which denied variance petition VA 2103 which was for reduction in the front yard set back from 25 feet to 20

feet and a reduction in the side set back from 10 feet to eight and a half feet in an R2 low density residential district the item is PDD 230543 it's located in South Central Pasco County on the size of the south side of Victoria Road approximately 215 feet west of Sheffield Road this is the UN aerial of course it doesn't show the house on it yet because it was taken some time ago there's no excuse me no house there yet it there is a house there's a built house but this particular aerial doesn't show that the Dual showed in a few minutes on the cycling okay but the house is built yes it's physically there it just has not received a certificate of occupancy um so this is the uh the land the land use red six the zoning is R2 which is a low density residential district this is the site with with the variants site without the variance these are all things that were shown to the Planning Commission because you're only subject as Mr steinsteiner stated to the record of the Planning Commission and Elizabeth Blair senior assistant County attorney will be playing the verbatim police for us today um so on January 5th 2023 the Planning Commission heard the variance request and denied the request based on not meeting the Criterion 407.2.3.1 second application for the variance was filed and heard by the Planning Commission on April 6th this is the reason behind today's appeal the recommendation of denial of the subject variance request um the staff found the reason set forth in the variance application did not justify granting of the variants as the variance applicant was not able to provide substantial confident evidence that they met the criteria in the LDC 407.2.1 the Planning Commission agreed with Planning and Development Department's recommendation for denial there was a tie vote with three A's and three Nays and the district school board appointee who is required to vote in the case of a tie broke the tie and voted a to approve pdd's recommendation of denial of the variance so on this appeal as Mr steinsider stated there's no new testimony maybe herder presented the review is based on the transcript and record of the piece of the Planning Commission the BCC May reway evidence previously presented to the Planning Commission and may modify adopt or reverse legal conclusions and conditions of the BC the board has the authority to uphold the decision of the planning commission based on the failure to meet the criteria for approval of a variant specifically 407.2 Point D of the Land Development code Grant the appeal and variance based on bcc's determination that the variance may be issued to correct a bona fide staff error that has been made and has led to the construction that does not comply with the code Grant the appeal and variance based on the bcc's determination that the criteria in 407.2.d have been met

um and also to Grant the appeal and variance based on the bcc's determination that the criteria have been satisfied by acting adding conditions it can also remand the matter back to the Planning Commission for additional evidence and those are part of your motions in your agenda packet so um the uh the recommended motion is to uphold the decision of the planning commission based on the failure to meet the criteria for approval for a variance specifically for 07.2 Point D of a Land Development code and as you can see there are there are four other four alternative motions that you can approve so I if I'm here for any questions and the applicant is here to provide information any questions for staff oh okay well I guess commissioner I guess they didn't build that they've already built the home correct yes the home is there um existing on the property and I will show you the site plan um now the problem here is the fact they did not the problem here is that they did proper setbacks the front setback the front setback um in the R2 low density residential district is 25 feet from the front property line they've built a house that is less than 25 feet I sadly I can't read what is there even with my glasses uh but I would think that it's at 20 feet or so um and uh it's also based on the east side setback which is supposed to be 10 feet and the house has been built at 8.5 or 8.6 but yes the house is physically there what's what's on the side the minimum side is 10. that's what it's supposed to be but it's supposed to be right now it's at 8.5 or 8.6 you may be able to see it on your screen better than I can yeah so how much is it in actuality instead of 10 8.6 or 8.5 oh 8.6 or 8.5 yeah and it's supposed to be 10. and the front is supposed to be 25. yeah so uh it's a I'm sorry it's right here it's from 20 their requests from 20 25 feet to 20 feet and the side is from 10 feet to 8.5 feet okay um how to get this Farm being built I guess our inspectors we don't look at setbacks we do have folks here from building construction services who can answer that question of course it's going to be based only on the information that's on the record and they can answer those questions can we have someone address it yeah I think you must roccio might be here okay answer that yeah so as Anthony approaches I'll ask Anthony he says Anthony if you would chop through the timeline as far as how the permanent part went and what you found Mr chairman commission indeed um how it had actually encroached was

the structure was set for plan review it went through a plan review and in the current system claim review including zoning review was done simultaneously so these were done together the plan review was approved and the plans examiners have no idea of the actual setbacks they're looking at the structure and the site plan as it's submitted so it goes to a development code review which is zoning in our case and it notices a deficiency contractor addresses that deficiency uploads the revised site plan however when it got issued there is one flaw with the seller that we discovered and if you do not call the diagrams exactly the same so if this diagram was labeled A1 the revision must also be labeled A1 but in this case they took the site plan and drainage plan and made it one document whose name the contractor so now when they upload this document it recognizes something different so it keeps a seller keeps the two old documents and now inserts the new site plan drainage plan which is correct they corrected the dimensions submitted it for plan review got reviewed approved and it got stamped now when acella issues the permit it's all electronic a seller puts a little watermark in the upper left-hand corner on all pages it's done automatically however the site plane that's approved has three stampings in it one the upper Watermark another one I'm not sure what it delineates and one just adjacent to that delineating the the setbacks and in this case the setbacks are also delineated on the actual building permit when it's issued so the face of the permit shows the setback set right inside that permit box under the description but that's what had occurred and on the side you're looking at one foot six inch encroachment on looking at the house on the right side the left sides almost the same and the front is of course five feet because the 20 to 25 foot but that's how it actually occurred Anthony talk about the home size from 70 foot to 73 foot different so it goes through plan review they submit a set of plans a plans examiner only looks at the structure so we make sure that the structure meets the Florida building code and they approve it and it moves on but now when it comes into our zoning development code review they look at the setbacks when they sub a structure was not altered so the site plan was altered to show the reduction in in Dimensions but the actual drawings the blueprints were not altered but in the field if they use the correct survey that the resubmitted survey that they provided to us to answer the comments the inspector would have picked it up it would have been noticed at inspection

but because we had our Watermark stamp on the upper left corner of the initial survey that was incorrect that survey was used in the field so it met all criteria so there would be no cause of alarm by the inspector he looks at it he put six he put five twenty foot front we're good to go okay so so what you're telling us a salad or when it went through the plan interview and it passed whenever was picked up to to be changed in the field but we've had our Mark that it basically was proved and that's what they built it right um sounds like so who made the mistake because it doesn't sound like the contractor did he went by his plans but he should have known the mistake sir um I was a contractor all my life I knew exactly what I was building and especially if I did something incorrectly and then resubmitted a drawing with the correct size of the structure and it wasn't built to that in my opinion the contractor has responsibility to ensure those drawings that's that's really outside the record you did not testify that specific information to the Planning Commission uh first time I was here uh no ma'am okay they were only looking at the April 6 hearing as well correct okay yep I have all the literature of that I put together for it yes the questions for Anthony so yes all the weight lays on the contractor built the house too big for the lot based on setbacks yes sir and I I think I listened to this at the Planning Commission but it seems like it was a while ago um it's blocking the view of the neighbor it's affecting the neighbor's house is that right that's what the neighbor has said to the planning condition um what I'm looking at the neighborhood and all the other houses are further back so it seems like it would have been obvious that this one is so much closer than the other ones but man I I feel for the Builder too with not a fan of a seller let me just say nothing it's September I guess we hear from the applicant any of the questions staff thank you for any questions I don't know if I get any answers another time far away or you can wait till after the applicant speaks I let the application okay all right good afternoon my name is Ken dandor I'm the attorney for the applicant I live in the St Petersburg and the applicant is the Soho Builders residential commercial projects Incorporated which is owned by

ladies Vega ladies Vega is a disabled Marine veteran and she went into this construction business Sarah I will remind you you're limited to the recorded Planning Commission all right I believe that's well it should be in the record anyway I apologize if it's not okay so um she suffered so far 68 000 in Damages because she had sold this house back at the end of 2022 twice and it fell through because there wasn't a certificate of occupancy and the lender is now going to foreclose on this house uh in November after they file lease pendants Soho Builders and Santa Fe remodeling Inc would ask the appeal be granted based upon the shared responsibility for the issue at hand given the house that was built was built exactly to the county approved plan set in fact prior to pouring the foundation a foreign board survey also known as a tie-in survey was performed by the licensed surveyor updated uploaded to the permit provided in print form and reviewed both electronically and in the field by Steven Switzer the field inspector for Pasco County we ask that if necessary approved for approval the conditions could be added to facilitate approval some conditions discussed during the various hearing included adding a culvert gutters to the home and adding Landscaping to improve the overall appearance and views from the neighbor's property even though none of that's required by the county code but we're willing to do that as evidence that the County shares in the responsibility many statements were made during the variance hearing and include April 6 2023 Scott Carly Pasco County structural Chief Building specialist transcript on page 68 line 12 through 70 and line eight attachment for specifically Mr Carly stated quote we approved a plan that's too big close quote and quote 40 percent of this is on us because we should have never approved a plan that was too big for the lot and that's why I'm here I want to be fair to everybody period close quote he further explains that the County's review system needs a little bit of tuning see the transcript on page 89 line 24 through Page 90 line 22. also on April 6 during that various hearing Vice chair Girardi agreed that a bona fide error has been committed see the transcript on page 93 at line 3 through 22. also at that hearing on April 6 PDD and PC heard new testimony from Scott Carly Pasco County structural Chief Building specialist see the transcript beginning on page 68 at line 15 through 25 attachment number one specifically he said quote so we have a process that we do at Pasco we went to computer approval plans examiner so because of that we can all see it at the same time zoning got hold of it said no good Electrical Plumbing mechanical and building said yes we're good

we approved a plan that's too big it didn't fit in the truck when they said the truck's too small we didn't stop this plan we are better for this we have a better process we know zoning needs to be approved before the rest of them do this is going to help us close quote also on April 6 during the various hearing PDD and PC heard new testimony from Scott Carly see the transcript on page 69 line 5 through 18. specifically quote the four board survey is another step that we've had so we get a proposal and then we get a four board survey right after it's formed up it's confirmed that it's in the right spot before concrete my guys went there and the first page on this plan is the approved wrong one where it's got that stamp on there where the four board showed up we went off the wrong one and that's where we're at so genuinely the guy should have known as a professional that he gave a new lot plan but since then 40 percent of this is on us because we should have never approved a plan that was too big for the lot and that's why I'm here I want to be fair to everybody okay also Scott Carly said page 89 line 24 to 25 and continues online page 90 one through six professionals are supposed to act like it so we definitely so definitely this lands on him but it's a learning curve for us because we are doing digital reviews back when we had one page to review zoning said yes and then went down the list so we knew what everybody was saying yes to we do over 1200 inspections a day this is the first hiccup we have a great system just a little bit of tuning well the little bit of tuning should not come at the expense of Miss Vega the little bit of tuning should come at the expense of the county we ask you to approve this these plans to reverse what happened Below on August the 6th and um Grant order that the certificate of occupancy be issued by the end of this week because now she has another buyer who is also a disabled veteran from the Vietnam War and we have to get on this so we can get that person to buy the house on January 5th 2023 the Planning Commission heard the variance request number 2101 and denied the request based on meeting none of the LDC section 407.2 D1 zoning variances criteria for approval the planning and development Department's recommendation for variance request was to approve the requested variance requests with conditions on April the 6th 2023 the variance Was Heard and was denied the vote was three to three with an additional tie-breaking vote cast by the secretary for a denial of four to three so here's the alternates Grant the appeal and variance based upon the board of County Commissioners determination that the variance may be issued to correct a bona fide staff

error that has been made and has led to Construction and does not comply with the code the staff were not there they personally examine it they approved the foundations where they were and these foundations it's five feet extra long in the front for the garage that's only five feet and we have a picture of the house we can put up now and show you can we put up the pictures please the house actually improves all of the values of the homes not really where's the Landscaping where's the Landscaping where's the tree there's one tree put up there's nothing in here and and also this is not matching the front elevation in the building the windows are totally different Mr Plumber can you answer that question but I get I get frustrated when I see someone build a house with no landscape is that the pictures that were presented to the Planning Commission were those presented to the Planning Commission on equal six that's not what you build at least that's not this I mean right those windows over there are different those windows open they're different these have more those have mullions this is not let's just look at what was in the packet okay well that's just my own little details that I saw so yeah let me hold it for you the microphone so that is something to identify yourself for the record okay my name is Patrick Plummer I work for Soho Builders residential commercial projects Inc my address is 2801 Durant Road um Valrico Florida um so uh this is not something that has come up either but I do see that this all the way to the left you see two smaller Windows there's a tub underneath there so I believe um well I can only assume that if there's a tub below those windows that is why this size window was not installed so it wouldn't you wouldn't view into the bathroom and see any part of the bathroom but then there's another window that's a little teeny window it's all right I'm just saying it's not doesn't match your elevation I don't know what happens when they do inspections but something's not the same but I'm just called at the lack of dancing I don't think that helps the neighborhood but that is a little pet peeve of mine that everyone here sorry right that brings down the neighborhood it was discussed in I believe in the variance hearing that um there are different opinions on the Aesthetics of the home um there's no trim there's no architectural details not one um everyone that we've spoken to finds the house appealing so I understand that's your your opinion um however well we don't we don't allow these and MPGs Mr chairman commissioner Starkey I'll

remind you this is very interioring you're not here to design design now well he said it Improvement but but yes he opened the door for it thank you I jumped but I feel for him so and I guess to sum it up in essence when the original plans were submitted they requested a Pasco County requested a revision Pasco County states that only one page was uploaded as a revision which is the site plan [Music] um and that led to somehow in the system out of 26 approved Pages only one was the correct site plan of the house with the 10-foot setbacks and 25 in the front the two additional Pages which were also Mark site plan and were stamped approved I had eight and a half foot setbacks and 20 in the front the following 23 pages of the plans all signed by or approved by Pasco County were approved were of the wrong size house the larger house 73 foot wide when when the county approved the plans they were emailed to the surveyors they went out and staked out the four corners in the previous hearing they did admit that when they went out to lay out the house they did notice one page was didn't coincide with the other 25 and they assumed incorrectly that that page was the wrong page and the other 25 were correct they laid out the four corners of the house um the subcontractors went out there and according to the four corners and the approved plans on site started building the house prior to pouring the foundation there was a form board or or tie-in survey done by the surveyors the same service let me stop here for a second you're the contractor right I work for the construction company and I supervise okay so when you can see the plans you know it was supposed to be a 73 70 foot house it's built 73. when did you pick that era we caught that um when all the inspections were done and we we got the tie-in survey the final as built from the survey company and submitted it for the CEO that's when a contract is permitting a project and he's building a 70-foot house does a contract ever go check to see if the subs are doing the right work this is something that we are now better for also because when we received an approved yes or no would be good I'm sorry um it's hard to answer that as a simple yes or no because if we were working off an approved set of plans and we do make the mistake once they're approved our mistake was not verifying what was approved the other contract you're building a building

that you've made a contract with your person and all the plans are of the 73 foot house not a 70 foot and no one caught the error that all the approved plans which are here who should have caught the arrow well when I believe that just as the senior engineer stated in the on record the Pasco engineer the county should not have approved the wrong set of plans and following that I do agree the contractor should have reviewed the plans should have picked up the error and should not have submitted the wrong plans and and should not have built the wrong plans and the reason that shouldn't under setbacks yes and the the reason that it wasn't caught is is simply that when you get an approved set of plans from the county there's no alarm Bells telling you let me make sure this is correct you know in fact now we do have a process and and and any plans that get approved are all being reviewed now internally in the company to make sure that the county has not incorrectly stamped the wrong set of plans so I believe that as a construction company yes there was a human error we absolutely it was a it was an error there was no intent to build the wrong house there was we there was nothing gained financially it wasn't a skirt some rule it was a human error and and to this date um it has cost the owner of the company about forty seven thousand dollars in penalties finance and interest so the issue is it she's not escaping um penalties she's not getting away with something if there's not it was not built to her benefit to skirt some rule there was an error committed and we admit our um our responsibility in avoiding this type of error and reviewing the plans it was built on the approved plans and then the inspector himself admitted that when he went out to the site those three same pages that we had were on were at the site and he didn't catch it either um because there were three copies and I think what we have realized is the county says that this is the official site plan that has three stamps however the bottom is says drainage type B and also site plan there's two more copies that are approved by the county that have the approved stamp that only say site plan so apparently the surveyor said that also when he went out there to stake out the house he doesn't stake it out based on the drainage plan so he went to the second page and so nobody compared this one single sheet to all the rest to realize that the setbacks were different so everyone built it based off the one

that just says site plan including the inspectors that went out so we're at a we're just obviously in this situation where the the plans were approved we didn't catch the error the house was built the county didn't catch the arrow and to a certain extent the Catalyst of all this to some percentages the plans you know 25 of 26 pages are wrong so had that not occurred I don't believe it would be here today so if the wrong plants get submitted we wouldn't be here today um just asked a straight question if the wrong plans didn't get submitted would we would we be here today I don't believe it would be here today if if the architect had drawn up the plans correctly um and the correct plan submitted that is correct we wouldn't be here if the contract had gone out once everything was set to check the setbacks we wouldn't be here today um that's correct and and that is something that we should not rely on the certified surveyors um you know or or or just take for granted that these are the approved plans we should have reviewed the plan so and we admit that and understand that we're not skirting that we should have reviewed that it was an honest mistake and and that's why we're here today to try to rectify that mistake the circumstances we're in is that we have a house that uh due to the fact that the left side is a bathroom all the way back um it it to modify it would make that side of the house unusable a little miss another question and we talked about culverts it's on page 73 I don't see any culverts here are there culverts in the neighborhood yes um the major probably more than 95 if not 99 of the homes do have culverts the engineer of record who drew up these plans did a site study based on the survey and he did not find that there was a sufficient ditch or Swale in the front of the property and he found that the way it was designed it would not impede the storm water um the permit was issued without a covert and it was built without a covert we are happy if the board would approve this appeal to add these conditions that a culvert should be installed um if you feel when it's necessary I'm not sure Pasco County could testify if they even though it wasn't required when the house was built if they sins change their mind and they want to covert we will do a covert um we would also we have a neighbor that discussed gutters they would like more containment of the water we're happy to do the gutters and we are happy to do um significant Landscaping to beautify the farm I don't want to get off track to what we're here for I want to stick to the basic thing but I'm just bringing that up this was in the record

commission Weightman thank you chair yes we work with Miss Blair on this she's doing the record policing but trying but it'll be Contour my guess is that so what is what's the length of the driveway currently the driver you're asking me what's the length of this driver somebody call her out it looks to be approximately from the from the edge of the road to the house approximately 32 feet that's longer than what we approve in uh townhome communities or other rentals when we have these driveways these driveway issues for parking just the Planning Commission vote was what 40 30. so four three so if the house is 20 feet set back from the property line how could the driveway be 32 feet from the edge of the road I said there's about 12 to 15 feet to the edge of the road which is the edge of the road to the property line and there's 20 feet from so your driveway is 12 to 15 feet it's not 32. um because you're taking into account the your it's it's right away that you're you're from the property line to the house is 20 feet from the property line is 20 feet 20 feet and and from the property line to the edge of payment is another 12 to 15 additional so how long is this to the garage door I'm sorry sir what's the answer how long is this to the from the road to the garage door according to what we have here it should be at least 32 feet from the edge of pavement to the house it should be about 32 feet demanded commissioner Whiteman I know the question you're asking because what we've been looking at is from property line so from the property line to the garage door it's actually 20 feet 20. what have we been approving historically for example in these other communities yeah you've been approving 15 feet yeah the setback in the neighborhood was 25. but for the record and it's remember it's an R2 low density residential district where the front setback is 25 feet it's a euclidean district not an mpud I get it so my point is is we approve rental and other products in my opinion this at the end of the day this is home ownership this isn't a rental product somebody's going to buy it it's going to add value we're a foot and a half off on either side and five foot off in front so when you look at the quality of product the investment I don't I personally don't believe that it was uh uh uh intent to be off by a you know a foot and a half on either on either either side here I don't think that that was done intentional and look at what it's cost this business owner who's trying to provide housing in our area where people want to live I guess my next question I don't know if

this is a legal question but how much is this house being sold for that's not within I can't ask that's not the realm of a legitimate basis for a variance or or can I ask that question to get to a point here no yeah no the only value of the home that is in the record from below is what it would have cost what they could have possibly have made off of it but I'm not quite able to find that I don't know if it's being sold for now but my intent to my comments are kind of I think people understand what I'm what I'm getting at here I just I hate I don't think we need to go nuclear here is what I'm saying but uh and we should start I see I think I really do um but just because I listened to the Planning Commission meeting can I say something only if it's the April 6 hearing out the January hearing because there were two the appeal is only of the April 6 here this is one where the neighbor with the neighbor the neighbor was at the January hearing okay they did submit some letters for the record that were received at the meeting for April 6. so I can't say something you can yep those are in the record but relating to what there's submitting in those letters nothing outside of those letters well I'm seeing if that go to someone else while I see the comment that I want to save them the only other thing I wanted to point out on this site plan is that only 29 feet your Builder um I'm the um the manager of the company the managing director for for that actually the developer there's a correction here they keep referring to to Soho Builders residential commercial projects Inc as the Builder the Builder is Santa Fe remodeling Inc they're the record they're the permit holder and they're the Builder we're the developer Jim following questions for County so in this process declaring 40 egg on the County's face what's it what's it what's it realistically I mean obviously there's human error on both sides I think we can all agree to that but at what pivotal steps did the county not catch something to navigate this back into the right way like early like when was before all this thing needs a CO when it's Home Free right because this building I assume is safe this is a safe building to standard so when in this process did the county could the county or should the county have stepped in and said ooh time out here before they kept before they kept going our job the County's job as a quality control regular regulator in my opinion the county did step in they rejected the plans and they took they told them that

the setbacks had to they they were not in compliance with the euclidean setbacks for this lot and they resubmitted correct plans the issue then becomes did they submit a full set did they only submit the one page but they were told that they that that the initial submittal to the county was wrong and they needed to fix it so how do we not know within our system how many pages were submitted from the record I can tell you what what they think happened that the initial discussion dealt with they being our staff trying to explain what happened that um they did not web to the zoning was triggered to say no it's not the right size that only went out to and that one Department only Zone he knew about it being the wrong size and the record goes on to talk about the other reviewers not knowing and that's what Mr Carly was referring to and and the record and then later at the end of the transcript there was discussion regarding whether or not truly 26 sheets were replaced or just the one because of the Acela system does not show that the 25 other sheets were actually submitted and that became a bit of discussion at the end of the transcript and swayed some of the the the the Commissioners planning Commissioners to then vote no and it became in one of their actual quotes is that he said she said situation of not being able to know if the sheets were submitted or not so does a seller if you submit it there's a seller say submitted that's not a question I can answer I don't recall that specifically from the transfer you should be able to answer that question it's like bonfire on a bit you step to the side please Anthony come on commissioner you're correct uh once it's uploaded it will identify that individual that has a rejection will acknowledge that it is uploaded the document so the the probability of the seller not reading 25 additional pages is what what's the probability of a seller failing Estella would not recognize that the site plan had changed a seller just recognizes that the county individual denied the zoning so a seller thinks the remainder of the structure is good it's only going to look for the site length so are the remaining 25 pages that are in question now we're celebrating spit out that there's 20 on top of the one page there's 25 additional Pages put in if it doesn't read it that means 25 Pages weren't put in is what you're saying correct in this case it only wanted one let's tell it was only looking for one sheet or two if it didn't have drainage Insight that's all the celebrities looking for that's in the group okay well that's an important clarifying point that wasn't I don't think clear and all this dialogue here the cell only wanted one sheet so we don't need to be talking about the

25 other sheets that's all I was looking for yes sir so but that one she has submitted had the County's Watermark punished when it gets approved it looks like that yes or no yes so the County's Watermark was on all the sheets um the seller doesn't automatically watermarks all the top left corner of everything so if you're on the other side and you see the watermark that's kind of like green light keep going um I disagree sir if I was a contractor and resubmitted a new site plan all through the dimensions resubmitted and got it approved with food stamps and sent back to you as referred I know there's an issue and I haven't heard from the filter yet I'm so pleasure to hear from the contractor I did testify in in the last variants I'm sorry sir clarifying who you got for the clerk oh I am Patrick Plummer um the manager of Soho Builders residential commercial projects Inc um I was sitting with the engineers assistant her the drafts woman while she was uploading it and I I did testify that um sitting with her because we did not do the submission you sitting with a Pasco County staff person with the with the um the engineer of record who drew up the plans has an employee and she is a drafts woman between the two of them they did the plans and they drew up a revision to the plants and I was sitting next to her when she uploaded them that's in the it's in the record and so the we as the contractor did not submit these it wasn't on our computers we were not the one submitting them it was the drafts woman and she said she was an employee of yours no um she is an employee she is an employee of the engineer and so I I stated I believed I viewed her upload everything but this is two and a half years ago and and again nothing at any point in time told us anything was going wrong so when she was doing her job I wasn't like watching her like did you do every page you know she I don't know um so there's many breakdowns here but what I would point out is that we didn't drop the plans we yes we should check them I agree we should check them we're we're the developer wait wait you can't blame the engineer absolutely not that she Drew up plants bigger than what was allowed and hear that we need to weigh and I can bring this in I think because this is part of the record these letters so that neighborhood has an HOA I live in a neighborhood that has an HOA that you have to submit your plans to and you have to follow the HOA records did you guys go through the HOA yes we did because in this letter she's saying that

that um it says that the lake Padgett Estates Property Owners Association um that you did not get approval from them so you did get approval we didn't since you brought it up the realtor is here Cody Holly he managed the approval process and we do have the proof in email and I brought a copy of what we submitted okay you're outside of the record because you did not have your realtor at the prior hearing you don't speak I don't I don't recall I believe I mentioned him you mentioned that he had been the one that was liaison with the HOA and that you all had applied to the HOA correct well because do most of the other houses have to have a side loading garage I mean we have that in my neighborhood yeah and so many of the homes in that neighborhood don't have side loading that it's not they're saying it's not a requirement anymore and that's why they didn't require us to do it and then it says here that um are you a licensed contractor I am not um Mrs Vega is a license and Mrs Vega was not a licensed contractor when this building permit was pulled correct because she was not the Builder the Builder of Santa Fe remodeling Inc if you if the county pulls up the permit she hired Santa Fe remodeling Inc a licensed general contract GC to build the house was this her first house no so um commissioner part of the reason why the neighborhood is upset about this house not being set back properly is that when the other houses are set to the build two line and someone's in front of that building line it changes the views of their house so instead of seeing you know instead of having their house designed for a what further back setback her views on her kids are not a wall because because I heard this it's in the record it's in the record our view is now the wall because the house is 10 feet further so now that's that's not unsurmountable in my opinion if we maybe put some conditions on this house maybe we can get somewhere but to me this house is an anomaly in this neighborhood can I can you put the pictures up but I said I emailed them to you Mike because I can't remember her name we have a picture no no these are pictures of the neighborhood and I want to just you can't bring those up here bring them in okay about page 262 has a picture of the view from the neighbor's window that's part of the record that was part of the PowerPoint that you had yes okay well maybe in these pictures you can see that the other houses have trim and rock and Landscaping and culverts and yours doesn't have any that and so um perhaps if we could improve the appearance of your house put the Swale back in landscape that wall where that woman has the view of your

masonry instead of a nicer View and make make it improve her improve her Aesthetics of hormone we will give her a fight Mr chairman I'm going to remind you commissioner that that none of those are valid considerations for for the variance criteria and the appeal that is before you okay well I wasn't sure that's why he's here I don't know I I don't think it's we were under the impression that one of the Motions was that you could set conditions for approval for example I believe motion number three Grant the appeal and variance based on the border determined that the criteria were met by adding conditions and so we'd be happy to give the neighbor how does adding Landscaping move the setback line it doesn't sir it just makes her that lady be better anyway I want to read a little quote out of page 93 out of 120. it's pretty clear that this is Jamie Girardi talk and it goes in personally I have a big problem with a lot of other things in relation to those I mean the driveway the Culvert the drainage problems I think that needs to be addressed personally I don't know if anybody's even talked about it but I don't know who approve the landscape plan for this house but the landscape plan in this house is pathetic I mean is there a builder you've got to be embarrassed as a host if you're trying to sell the social landscape package you put in front of this house and here's a key point I mean you shoved the house all the way up to the street 20 feet it does not meet it does not match anything that's in the rest of the neighborhood everything else there is 25 feet all your neighbors are over 30 feet I see the evidence there's no trees period are planted in the entire lot I won't get the rest of it but those points have liked the setback and what goes on are critical and the only other thing I believe I wanted to mention was that the garage itself is the only portion in in the 25 within the like over the setback the rest which is uh 29 feet wide the other 46 feet I believe it's a 73 foot house so um 45 46 feet of the house are 25 feet from the road so the the garage portion being 29 feet wide actually represents 39 of the front of the home and so we were thinking of uh mentioning that if the County employee himself said that they shared 40 percent of the responsibility while just approving the garage portion being in the setbacks is 39 of the front of the house it it kind of and if there's any logic in that it falls in line was sharing the responsibility so the other 45 feet are set back further and if we if we could pull up the site plan we could show that it's your address go into the microphone please all right sir it was indicated in this testimony um the individual that hosts over oversaw the

construction was with the engineers draft person when they uploaded the drawing correct so it was changed uploaded so now it was changed to meet the setbacks so in order to change it they need the setbacks the contractor's first thought was uh oh I got to call the trust plane I have an issue my trusses are not 73 feet anymore there are 69 feet or whatever it may be so with that automatically done so were the mechanisms taken to reduce the size of the house immediately at that point when the engine number sitting there please let him let him talk okay hang on a second please stand away from the mic so anything to get right in front of the mic Everything Changes all your block calculations and yes everything changes in the drawings and the first initial thing all the contractors look at is the trusses that's your longest lead time all the windows doors would be the same trusses is going to be your issue so all those mechanisms should have been placed immediately therefore alerting the contractor that oh my gosh now I have to pay attention to this my house is too big and none of this was done they they did the drawing they changed it we approved it acella did send out the other two sheets I can't deny that so is there some error under 69 000 permits we issued that year okay I can eat that that was wrong we've changed it now so I corrected it however but with the contractor fully knowing and to make all these changes to the structure itself it should have been built for that new service thank you I just want to reply um that yes the original plans were sent to DJ trusses I I believe I spoke to that in the second hearing and they were supplied an email with the updated plans we did in fact pay the engineer to update the plans and he did provide an updated set of plans and we have them here um and that's that is what I thought I viewed being uploaded when I was with the drafts woman and DJ trusses did manufacture again there's errors everywhere the trusses from the original 73 foot house they did not update their drawings to the 70-foot house and they shipped us the 73-foot trusses and we installed them so when you get the trusses I mean the whole thing's just backwards you built you're building a 70-foot house you built a 73 engineer knew it trustless people knew it the concrete block people had to know it we were building a 73 foot house with the setbacks are and that's got to be like rule one before you put a thing in the ground you would get a verify your setback I would think and we unfortunately we relied on the survey company when we sent them the approved set of drawings and they laid out the house we we didn't go behind them and check their work we trust them they're certified surveyors and we

assumed that they were doing their job correctly and we have since changed that we absolutely agree never again will we ever start even never again will this happen again because when the when the approved plans come back from the county or city we will double check all the setbacks we won't rely on anybody we made that mistake well and it was a big mistake the mistake right now is you've got a neighborhood built a certain way people bought in the neighborhood with a felt with a certain way certain setbacks as Jamie gerardi said you shoved that thing way up front and nobody picked up on it I mean I have trouble understanding how especially with time beliefs so precise or so unsure actually of when you're going to get your product that you're not going to make sure that everything is built right and the one thing you can't change later on to trusses and some from the Trust Company doesn't pick up from a 70 foot to a 73 foot I mean unfortunately that's why we're here because it was a series of errors but it could have started with the very first one would the survey being checked when the when you guys are laying it all out to make sure it's going to fit never mind you know what are the wrong trusses would have missed was messed up it was if if they had sent us the trusses for a 70-foot house we would have said why are they shorter and and maybe that would have triggered a light bulb let's go look at the plans why are we missing trusses and obviously just as we look at these things in the forward just because we get an engineer says we don't need a culvert we need a neighbor design for a culvert I mean there's got to be something I need to do about that I'm just not I'm in a hard time saying this HOA approved this when this is different than every other house in there no commissioner Starkey you and I have done looked at a lot of different things especially down at Trinity and you look at that Oak Ridge subdivision they don't flood even though the midst of everything because they keep all the Comforts in place so just because an engineer says it is something we really got to avoid but anyway back to this year they've the contractor the Builder has clearly says they've made their mistakes and you've clearly seen from Jamie gerardi saying what the effect is the neighborhood if you allow this to go it's actually just for Europe just for your your understanding that the HOA is on the record of saying that the house was not approved that they were merely looking at I believe it was the length of the driveway and I can find that for you and I believe was did he say that he was the an ex-member of the HOA or was there an actual member because um again since we've opened up the subject of

them approving it or not um it was Mr Stone um he spoke Robert Stan licensed Community Association manager for Lake Padgett saying that there was some wrong paperwork filed um he does say that aesthetically it did pass their inspections but there were some other things they had issues with was the driveway that was all that was officially approved if that's of an interest to the Commissioners that conversation begins on page 61 of the transcript and goes for a couple of pages after that because if there is any doubt as to their approval we have the email showing those approved there was a communication as well beginning on page 63 from someone who is their former president so yes there was a former president and then the current property manager talking about whether or not the HOA had actually approved something so if you all want to look at that it's important to you hang on commission wait in the first thank you our attorney has information I I really like to understand from our Council counties Council HOA approve this or not it's it's with what you're saying it sounded like they they did well they joa did I really it's an important component to this decision they they approved Mr Sten says that the only thing that was approved is the driveway the way the form is laid out is there's these boxes you have to check for what you're looking for approval and apparently the driveway box was the only box checked and then that's what they signed off on so you have kind of competing testimony a little between the HOA you've got it you've got the Association Management and then you have a former HOA member who is an opposition to it as a violation of the restrictive covenants for the community and that is on the record at page 63 Mr facetola um that's a former HOA exactly folks because we have things Mr chairman as a practical matter the HOA approval is irrelevant because they can't have standards less stringent than yours there's a commissioner no but I have a solution Mr chairman I think you need to finish the appeal argument and then take public comment and then go back into board discussion at this point okay so back to the record back to what's going on any other further questions or statements from staff I mean from from the commission okay to the applicant no I'm gonna let him finish they need to finish their appeal um well I guess they you said that the issue with the ho is mute if it isn't mute we have the email confirming they approved it is that it are you done yes sorry the most important thing is the county I think his name is Mr name for the record Sir Ken dandar Mr Curley admitting that the Connie made a mistake

in the county is responsible and he said 40 percent and that's very very important that's all thank you all right we'll go to public comment is there any way from the public like to speak to this item do we have a listen we have no one on the list for this particular item you'd like to speak please come forward so your your name so your name and addressed stone stone my name is Robert Stone I am licensed Community Association manager for big padgetting states east Property Owners Association which is located at 4533 Savannah Way Land O Lakes Florida 34639 I did swear in the HOA board only looks at Aesthetics we have nobody that's a licensed surveyor contractor we look at the Aesthetics how is it going to look in the neighborhood so there's an issue there that foregoes this whole issue the building does not meet our setbacks our attorney is moving forward with taking action as an HOA what the board of County Commissioners I am here for is the board of directors has asked you guys not to approve it because if it's approved and the house is sold the handicapped Vietnam veteran that's buying it is going to be the one that's held liable in court through our attorney to try to fix the problem so I would have brought the copies of the emails that state that the whole house was not approved the whole thread of the emails not just the original one that said the driveway was approved but again I thought that we weren't allowed to submit any new evidence well that's a different difference right with a little gun finish here three minutes any questions answer on public comment sorry I will end there then thank you very much thank you Rebecca Malone Victoria Road land o' Lakes Florida and I was sworn I did testify at the January meeting that is my ladder I wasn't able to attend the April meeting in person at both meetings I did watch it Mr Plummer um stood to the city it was sworn stood in front of the planning committee and said that he was the Builder Miss Vega did not get her building license until September 7th 2022 she wasn't added as the owner of Soho Builders until April 11 2022. and this house that is the bottom line they didn't have a license Santa Fe remodeling has not shown up to any of these hearings we don't know where they are or who they are mentioned that he's tried to get in touch with the builder of record who isn't here the other thing about having a license in the state of Florida I am a licensed contractor in Florida and in Georgia having the license that license will

extend to your employees who are W-2 employees a W-2 show that you're employed by it's that's not part of the record not relevant not part of this hearing 72 not 10.99 so that's our sticking point um Mr Plummer has disregarded every rule every law all the way through he States insurance application and for the April meeting that he's planted Landscaping blocking the view there's still no Landscaping he didn't even start mowing until the HOA started sending letters my concern is that they do sell to a poor disabled veteran who is left with a house that was built mostly on weekends by unlicensed and I think that's why you need to deny it thank you thank you Dan O'Day my name is Dan O'Day I live at 4545 Victoria Road did you testify ing I did not did you submit a letter that was filed on April 6th I was my name on the other letter I thought my name was on the letter I am the neighbor no I don't see anything from you in the record on April 6th he can make public come all right and he just has to he just has to limit his public comment through that of the record correct okay thank you uh Daniel O'Day 4545 Victoria Road Orlando Lakes Florida I am the neighbor that has lost its view my house was built in a certain way to view the neighborhood all the way down to the park I can no longer see that all the other houses in our neighborhood are set back 30 feet from the road this one's 20th so I have a view of a big white garage right out of my kitchen window um Landscaping is not going to fix this I think this is a very classic case of asking forgiveness instead of permission the contractor is responsible for ensuring that this job specifications are met I too am a licensed contractor in the state and uh if you can't use a tape measure that's really not a problem for me you should be measuring my my as I said my value has been affected he keeps saying that the values are going up they're not going up at all this house has a short driveway right across street from a bus stop so now we have limited vision because of the shorter driveway at a bus stop location they did try to give me a landscaping budget I asked for more I was accused on record of trying to extort them so really that's all I got to say this is a real eyesore for me it's affected my uh my value of my house I've been there 22 years and it's not the same it's just not the same so this will affect um I seem to be the only one who defects in this whole thing forty percent sixty percent I'm the one who's getting 100 script thank you

the only other signed in I believe is Mr daughter and daughter I'm sorry that's the attorney okay okay anyone else from the public to speak to this item is there anyone on WebEx all right no sir okay so I want to close public comment bring it back to the board commissioner okay the gentleman spoke I believe his name was Mr Stone from HOA yes was his was that information he gave us today was that on the record yes it was okay that's what I was curious where there was yeah all right let's give them an opportunity to about if there's anything they wish to rebut in public comment okay so the Epic like come forward remember um well if we could open up page 262 of the Board of county commissioner I guess the report that the county submits when it has all is the entire record of file it's the um the I guess the zoning department provides a document of record then submitted um on this document of record the first page it says here which attachment is that to the memo uh well I can only look at as far as page numbers it's the view of of the neighbor's home from their window and this so you want photos presented to the Planning Commission yes yes it was it says agenda memorandum and it's it is Page it's way down there appears to be page 262. I could put it up with my phone under there to do it that way you use the overhead okay there are only four four photographs shown as being submitted to the Planning Commission it was part of the original uh the the second variance hearing um there's one on the front of the house there's going up the street and there's one down the street it was a part of a of a PowerPoint presentation yeah it's his PowerPoint presentation that was presented to the Planning Commission okay it's going to be a picture of a roof with a flagpole I believe yes okay it should be in the package yes [Music] thank you applicants do you should have everything I can't get into the agenda so it's a mystery of me I'm out of it again like 13. I think it's paid um 13 page 13 of that event nope oh wait for it to come up I'm going to go to your application because request to approve variance application and it said permitting asks for the updated plans with a 25 front foot yard set back and a 10-foot sides yet yard setbacks on December 15 2021. so you were asked clearly for those

things it was under your PowerPoint yes page 3 or 34. and um the testimony of the County Employees is that as best as they could tell only one sheet was uploaded unfortunately we we did not bring all of the emails from Pasco County to that hearing to present them so we cannot present the evidence to counter this but the system [Music] does issue a confirmation every time you upload a file and so if you have more than one email it would seem that more than one file was uploaded and I I did bring them all all the confirmations from Pasco County of each child uploading Mr stokius can we continue this is that one well the HOA no you can yeah there there would be no reason that you couldn't continue to matter um but it's really it's really your decision um in terms of the county regulation well I mean the rules are the rules they've admitted that they haven't done it properly I mean they started with a 70 70 foot I was built a 73 and nobody knew that trusses weren't going to match up well the setbacks were clearly said to him again commissioner I I realize you're getting you're in you're getting into dialogue but I would prefer that you finish with the okay um it is part of the record um there's a picture also showing that the HOA setback requirements let's let's hold on for a minute that's why it's not that best foreign what's going on back there let's take a five minute break wait for Seth foreign [Music] [Applause] thank you [Music] [Applause] [Music] thank you [Music]

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foreign [Music] [Applause] thank you okay the applicant would you like to go any further away thank you [Applause] it's all state money for the record Patrick Plummer I work for Soho Builders residential commercial projects Inc my address is 2801 Durant Road Valrico Florida so here we have the view from the neighbor's window showing a flagpole that's in the park because their testimony was that they always had a view of the park and by obscuring the view of the park they're unhappy um so we did an aerial study based on where that flagpole is because only five feet of the garage is protruding out past that side Pole so if you go to the next okay so we drew a straight line of sight to that flagpole and we drew a Kona View of what what you would what you would have to see to see the park and so from their straight line of sight to the flagpole you can see that the other house is on the Block up to the corner they would have to see significant amount of a view back from the flagpole not just the five feet and so the next slide we show if the house were five feet back what their view would be and even if the house were set five feet back they still would not see the park we can see the next slide aside from this we did in in our also in our presentation we did reach out to them and we wanted to negotiate making them happy and their comments were that they needed thirty thousand dollars to redo their kitchen because they were gonna they were gonna re-configure their kitchen anyway and board up the window and they won't be looking out the window anyway we we offered to pay for the new kitchen but to supply our cabinet installers and our accounts at the cabinet makers so they wouldn't pay thirty thousand dollars retail and we estimated that the kitchen would cost approximately ten thousand dollars to do with our cabinet installer and our materials um we tried over and over throughout the week leading up to the hearing to come to an agreement and the night before they just said that they wanted fifteen thousand dollars so we just felt that we we wanted to make them happy we just felt that what they were asking um was not an honest attempt to remedy the kitchen although in hindsight it does you know if that's what would have made them happy then that should have been the priority so um aside from that also in my testimony

because she does state that she's a contractor the following slides after these do show that again her as a contractor she has an illegal addition built on her house and a shed on her property line so we also felt that it was um I'm not sure if the proper word is cynical or basically if you have a structure on your side on your setbacks and you have an illegal Edition I was throwing stones at the opposite team is that appropriate in this situation we're only worried about this well this is his rebuttal of the public comment that just was made about his variance requests and so far he's stayed to the record of and we would and we would actually be amicable to despite some despite the differences here uh we are happy to provide a landscaping budget or other if they want to remodel their kitchen we could also help out with that we we do want the neighbors to be happy we're not trying to make them unhappy um we just want to make sure that those efforts are sincere um and we do we do have the email from the HOA explicitly stating approval so if they're saying they're going to sue us we have we have an explicit approval in email and I have a copy of what was submitted that does show the eight and a half foot setbacks in there and the 20 in the front that was submitted to them and this is what they approved in the HOA documents in the HOA bylaws it actually States the setback requirements on Front Street and side street shall be on average of 25 from the property line it doesn't say it has to be exactly 25 it says on average and if you look at the site plan again we do meet those averages because only the 29 feet of the garage protrudes past the 25 foot point the rest of the home is the difference of 73 feet minus 29 46 40 . was that information in the record Mr Plummer that you're presenting right now um yes the it's a matter of record that the house is 73 feet wide then the garage is 29 and the remainder is 44. so these 44 feet meet the setbacks these 29 feet do not and that represents 39 of the front of the house and that's why we were asking that if if the chief engineer on record stated that the county shared 40 percent we're only asking for that approval of that those 29 feet of the garage um enclosing as you got as the board of county commissioner I believe is allowed to set conditions if you're so inclined is not to approve the appeal we would ask that you appeal to approve the appeal with the condition that we cut back five feet of the garage we'll cut the whole front of that garage back five feet

the the sides of the house um under the Land Development code allow averaging so we should only have to modify the front of that the averaging of the side setbacks is not in the record in the Planning Commission okay so we would ask the Planning Commission to approve it on the condition if their song client is not so far but otherwise that we modify the front that we submit a revision to the county and we cut off the entire fight 29 feet long wide set it back five feet in the interest to resolve the matter and say that again we will cut off five feet of the garage the entire width of the garage and what happens to the sides just being inside here the signs are something that would render the house unusable because the left side is entirely a bathroom and all the bathroom spaces it's where the toilet is it's where the shower is so removing a foot and a half would make the the area where the toilet is it wouldn't meet code the depths of the shower wouldn't meet code the bedroom would go from 13 feet to 11 and a half and it would it represents a major modification far above Mr chairman yes so we are open to cutting back the entire front of the garage which is what is upsetting the neighbor's View and we can also do the gutters the Culvert and Landscaping yeah will it now be recessed behind the other part of other garage I mean so that you're not going to have 35 feet of straight garage going across well the garage itself would be a 29 foot wide um two-car garage it becomes recessed behind the other garage door are you talking about both garages both it's the entire garage portion that is over the setbacks so we would trim the entire garage with back pipe is this worried they can make a house look even worse than it does is is the rest of the house needs a setbacks in the front the other 44 44 feet I believe they're within an inch to an inch and a half like if it's 25 feet in maybe 24 feet 10 and a half inches or so I believe it's just about it and I have asked the surveyor to go back because their instruments are um you know calibrated to an inch so it could be a half inch it could be an inch inch and a half um so we're we're just really close on that so the one neighbor still has the one issue with being close to them only the neighbor on the right has an issue is that the same one as the view issue yes and that would be result are we allowed to ask if that's a sufficient well let's let him finish well let me ask you this so sadly you don't have an agreement with them have you talked to them about these prayers to the neighbor no but if uh we we did initially but since then we have not and so let me do let me let's do

this then we've got a 550 and start for the budget let's let them go to the other room see if they can come back where everybody can agree and if they can do the drop back of the from the 22 to the 25 feet and they can make them appease with the setback issue that they have to decide we can consider that can you put a car in the garage after they cut it back who knows but I think they get room behind that they could actually go if they wanted to okay they'd have to remodel the whole size the the buyer has a compact car and he States he'll buy the house with a reduced garage and it's a car will fit all right I'll let you go with the neighbors and let's take a break on this we'll take a five minute break so we can get the paperwork together we'll start our 5 15 meeting about 5 18. is that okay with the board yeah I do I do want from one idea um I can take a picture of my house and send it to you as you're having a deliberation so knowing that in Florida people don't usually park their car in the garage but they put all their stuff in it when we built our house we built an oversized two garage two-car garage and then the other side next to that is a carport so it's open and um I'll send you a picture and maybe that's something to think about is that so we we did speak to the HOA and and say that if if the board approved if the Planning Commission approved a carport we would make it a carpool and just put a column there and it wouldn't obstructive view I love it however the representative from the HOA did not collaborate our discussions uh we're not sure why but they said that carports are not allowed in the Hoy so we uh according to what we understand the h-way will not allow carport we did suggest that all right we've got a room downstairs you guys can go downstairs there's a room to the side right across the receptors to the right hand side if you guys want to get together and talk that's great we're going to have our 5 15 meeting as soon as we can get all the paperwork passed out it's 5 15. foreign [Music] foreign [Music]

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thank you [Music] foreign [Music] [Applause] [Music] foreign [Music] budget meeting and we're gonna have a couple of presentations from Mr carvela thank you Mr chair I'll ask Mr gorg to come up and present a couple of brief presentations on the budget and then we'll we'll move from there with the public hearing evening Bob gorg Pasco County budget director so this evening we'd like to talk about why are we here and this isn't from the esoteric perspective but why are we here this evening and as you know the State requires two public hearings to get input on the budget from citizens tonight what we'll ask the board to do is to approve the tentative millage rates and then the final millage rates will be set on the September 19th meeting the tentative millage rates that will be set tonight only need a majority vote so three votes either way would Rule the Day so military so we're asking for no change in the operating Village of 7.6076 and as you're aware under the save our homes provisions of the Florida Constitution the taxable value of Homestead Properties cannot increase by more than three percent or inflation whichever is less the state set the inflation rate for this year at 6.5 percent so folks who got the trim notice will notice that their taxable assessed values should not have increased by more than three percent if they were homesteady so for example we're talking about if you have a homesteaded property the average homesteaded property taxable value Pasco County is 127 thousand dollars we've rounded it up to 150 to make the math easy so at a three percent increase taxable assessed value increase of three percent that would mean the value of the home taxable value of the home would increase three thousand dollars and that would result in an additional 22.82 cents in property tax this property tax is a result of increased value of the home and not because the board has adjusted or increased the property tax millage Rate non-homesteaded Property Tax or non-homesteaded properties are limited to an increase of 10 percent so Homestead can increase no more than three percent non-homesteaded no more than 10 percent and that goes for commercial properties as well and so that same property of 150 000 taxable value would increase fifteen thousand dollars and that would be 114 increase in property taxes for non-homesteaded property so last year we were here talking about the record height of new construction in Pasco County and this year we've increased that amount by about half a million dollar or half of yeah 500 million dollars uh this year we're

almost at 2.5 billion dollars in new construction values in Pasco County and so as we talked about before inflation is taking its toll on our ability to meet our customer demands we're having growth and demands for services and so what we would like to recommend this evening is to create this balance or achieve this balance between new expenses that would be recurring and ongoing and these one-time expenditures that we can invest in infrastructure for our County that way if inflation keeps keeps increasing we can pull back on those recurring expenditures and keep the I'm with you so we can keep the investment in the infrastructure okay so where do your property taxes go so if you look at your trim notice that was sent out you'll notice that this is a typical home this is a home that's not in one of our cities and so there are no Municipal Taxes Associated here so you notice the big ones of course are the county 43 and school board at 39 percent fire 13 of the taxes that you pay on your property tax bill 13 goes to the fire department two percent to the general obligation bonds and then two percent the mosquito control district one percent to the Swift mug so the tentative budget overall has increased 5.4 percent you can see the big increase here was our capital expenditures our capital investment and this is primarily because of our investments in the utilities our solid waste and our water Waste Water Utility so we announced that there was an increase of 16.5 percent of taxable assessed values folks were asking wow what are you going to do with all that money and so this is what we're proposing that happens to all this money so I'm not going to read all these you've seen all these before I'll just hit some highlights here health insurance of course inflation's hitting health insurance for our employees just as it's hitting everything else retirement rates the the state increased made major changes to Employee Retirement so you'll notice the retirement rate increase in the general fund alone of about three million dollars you notice the detention center now that we've taken over the Detention Center there are a number number of contracts that have come due and we're going to renew those contracts we don't know what those contracts will come in at but we've just budgeted 15 of course we're going to pay whatever the the rate is but we don't really know at this point what they are you'll notice on the other column on the right hand column the board has expressed an interest in battling homelessness and so we've set aside a million dollars for the Pasco hope and down towards the bottom you see that as rescue that's Animal Services rescue officer and so when we look at all those things that adds up to 29 million dollars outside funding most of these things are required by the state some of these other things are things that the board

has chosen to invest in you'll notice the changes from July 11th Medicaid we did get the final number from the state and that increased three hundred thousand Pasco kids asked for an increase in the amount that we contribute to them so we added the 19500 and then United Way so we added twenty thousand dollars for the Emergency Sheltering on behalf of the county and then United Way asked for sixty five thousand dollar increase in their annual funding just to keep up with inflation thank you so we also have a number of investments in our capital projects the first one there building so we're investing in our facilities to the tune of about 4.7 million dollars I.T hardware and software so in order to stay ahead of the bad guys we need to invest about 1.4 million dollars there Athletic Field renovation so three hundred thousand dollars per year allows the county to renovate about six ball fields per year we have parked maintenance of a million dollars per year and we started that program two years ago so we wouldn't get in the fine get in that position where we were in 2018 which we had a whole bunch of deferred maintenance in our parks and so hopefully that million dollars will allow us to keep ahead of all the maintenance that we need to do you can see for the most of the rest of these they are funded by the arpa that's the federal stimulus program and then finally Premier Healthcare asked the county to pitch in and help defer the cost of their new building and so we've included 250 000 in the budget for their request constitutional officer recommendations here we have the clerk and comptroller you'll notice that increased from six to eight million dollars and basically the increase is really for all the all of our constitutionals here is really just increases due to pay raises increases in retirement increases in health care the sheriff's budget there that represents 40 percent of the increase in the property tax revenues as our agreement with the sheriff so revenues where's all this 2.1 billion dollars going or where is it coming from so you can see the biggest source there outside of our reserves is our ad valorem taxes at 457 million dollars and the second largest area here is our charge for service and this is for water Wastewater projects our solid waste and those kinds of things where's all the money going Public Safety of course Public Safety is the most important thing when we do citizen surveys Public Safety always comes up as the most important thing that our citizens are interested in as you can see Public Safety is number one on our list of funded projects General government there is basically all the constitutionals all the kind of internal services and things like that that we provide changing major funds so you can see the change in major funds here I won't go through each of these but the changes for these is primarily as I said before

due to inflation changes in wages to keep up with wage inflation changes in health care and retirement you'll notice the tourism development tax last year the board increased the tax from four cents to five cents and so that reflects that change there foreign so this is our recommended action that we'll ask the board to act on this evening as you can see no change in the operating millage we're asking the board to increase the municipal fire Services millage from 1.8036 to 2.3 mils and then the other millage rates you see here are General obligation millages and those really are just set to the level that will allow us to collect enough money to pay off that debt service our next step this evening we have of course the first hearing and at this board meeting we're going to ask that we vote on the tentative Village rates the tentative millage rates that you adopt tonight can be lower but they cannot be higher than the final millage rates that you adopt on September 19th and so then the second hearing will be on the 19th that's in Newport Richie and we will ask the board at that time to vote on the final millage rates as well as the overall budget story sticking to it any that's correct all right are there any questions um and we have a presentation any questions for involved on this I I had a question and a question in the email that had all the grants available that I have too many emails so I can't find it quickly um on the Seven Oaks Library which is a shovel ready project Maybe did we ask for a library Grant I don't believe that we did I could follow up with the libraries and find out Kathy was on the line I don't know if she Kathy on the line here can you hear me can you hear me yeah I'm trying to see if that's one of those areas that has a fun rather than appropriation okay thank you excellent oh my God all right so maybe we'll have some wiggle room and that comes in all right now we're going to uh presentation MSU as well yeah there's an MS to you presentation here is Ralph here he's in the back Ralph could you please send me that email please with the Appropriations [Music] all right so we'd like to talk to you about the fire mstu and so the fire Municipal Services taxing unit as you're aware fire mstu can only be the funds generated from that military can only be used for fire cannot be used for paramedics cannot be used for EMS so that's an important distinction so in July 2023 we asked the board to adopt on the trim a millage rate of 2.3 mils and so at 2.3 that fully funded the request

of the department for the capital and operating kinds of needs that they had it funded their Capital needs so the construction of five new Fire Stations between now and 2032 I believe and I would keep the fire fund solvent between somewhere around 2028 2029 all right just clarify something with that Bob actually the the original request had capital in it we when we came up with the 2.3 number we removed a lot of the capital from that so we would look to fund those through other more traditional means of funding Capital IE impact fees or other types of uh traditional debt whatever to to get those Capital needs we took that out that the nstu originally that's where the 2.3 came so since then in August 2023 Chief Perez come on board he brought his chainsaw with him and since then he looked at the requests the new initiative request the operating request and he reduced that request by nine and a half million dollars those reductions with primarily in the area of large equipment purchases those kinds of things uh non-combat personnel and non-firefighters in other words the chief and his leadership group has committed to a to limiting the growth and operating expenses by 50 so operating expenses in the fire fund are historically been about 18 so we want to roll those back to about nine percent increase and 2.3 percent with I'm sorry with uh 2.3 Mills with all those changes we'll keep the fire fund solvent through 2033. so these are the fire mstu initiatives that have survived you can see the the increase the pay increase to keep us uh comparable to keep us competitive with Hillsborough and Pinellas Tampa those kind of areas you look at the opening two fire stations two and four that are currently under construction or will soon be under construction and then plans for five additional fire stations in the future to bring our response times down for our residents we're looking at mental health of First Responders generators for fire stations diver programs software technology upgrades and you can see the rest of them so our attend the millage recommendation the government Finance Officers Association recommends strategic planning a long-range planning Horizon for financials in the in the five to ten year Horizon in Pasco we've adopted a 10-year planning Horizon that planning Horizon keeps your focus on kind of the long range and you can see what changes you've made today what impact they have on the long run and so we've adopted the 10-year planning Horizon but anywhere between five to ten is about normal Pasco County we're a high growth County increasing demands for Public Safety and as you can see from the hurricane our firefighters are out there working hard they're running ragging and so we need to bring on new fire stations and so on just to bring the stress level down for our firefighters attended millage rate of 2.3 meets that 10-year planning

I can but it's only one is homesteaded so I I feel the pain I feel I feel the pain devil um but I agree with you on the firefighter situation to have to have it take 18 minutes to have someone respond to a call it's not okay that's a life and death situation and the steps that we're taking today are not getting us all the way where we need to be but again we're taking that conservative step forward and uh you know commissioner we've talked about how many things were not taken care of before we were we were here and and we're playing catch-up and sadly now we're playing catch up with inflation but these are not frivolous things that we're having to vote on here today and uh remember that next year we have the pbass situation coming and other do we have the last year of our Solid Waste or whatever that two more years to go on that so we're not through the pain yet everybody but um but to kick this can further I think puts our citizens Health in Risk and makes it harder next year to make some of those decisions that we're gonna have to make it again next year so I think we have to take this step you know we're not um it's not done easily the last time that we we had an increase here was when we were bleeding law enforcement officers and it was it was a difficult thing to do but it was cheaper to to pay our officers more than to train them for three years and watch them go work for Tampa but still live here because it's cheaper to live here than in Hillsboro OR Pinellas County you can look around you see all their First Responders live here and I wouldn't doubt that you're starting to see some of our Our First Responders and others moving to Hernando because Hernando is going to be a little bit cheaper than us but you're gonna drive and it's gonna and one day they're going to feel this development pressure that we have but to not take the steps today just makes it more difficult for our citizens uh health and safety and puts makes it worse next commissioner thank you I appreciate everybody's comments but I kind of of a different mind the folks with their with with their mortgage rates and the insurance hit that was on that's been on top of them I think you know a measured increase this this is this is a big bike for folks I've heard from dozens and dozens of people that have called our office into commissioner's Oakley point we were a different world when the when the previous board approved and what the taxpayer approved to fund this program five years ago or whenever it was a completely different Financial World ASCO was in a completely different place

and you know I've said on a record of a measured increase is necessary and I support raises but to go to go the full swing I'm very I'm very apprehensive to what it's going to do to stress the taxpayer in their pocketbook I really really am um you know we're dealing with inflation rates we haven't seen in I don't know how many years right and it's not anything we can do about that we've got people that need to be paid certain salaries to keep them playing otherwise they're going to move to somewhere else we went through it years ago with the deputies as commissioner Starkey mentioned we had to put a three-year plan in place to get our deputies up because we kept on losing it we train them and they leave firefighters firefighters same thing we're trying to keep people here and as they're going to go to look for what's the best for their families down the road it's all key and I think what we've done in part of this MST which is so critical with the fire MSP and msdu is we've become a leader in the nation of How would how building vehicles and how we're building stations congresswoman Laura Lee count hearing about all this stuff she had come down just to see it so I think as we and our citizens want us to be us to go go to be Premier we got to get there but you got to take the steps and it starts with taking care of the people and I'll tell you watching our firefighters out there work with the sheriff's office going up there saving people going in danger one of the stories that didn't come out that I heard was you know one of the things you bought a few years ago is a fireball for safety didn't know how often we'd ever use it but as I said if one life would have would have been done well they're down in Tower Drive when I heard there was an explosion hasn't been verified and the explosion was there the fire happened like instantly and because we had that fire boat we have to go around and as one of the Chiefs was telling me winch the people up lift them in get them out of Harm's Way so I think we probably saved two lives with that one boat I don't know how many lives we save and can save even more by getting them there quicker and we can't burn these guys out we got a staff and we got to push them and again I think I don't think things have changed that much because when the vote is approved all the things we're doing we build trust you heard Mr sample Talking a little bit earlier about how long these public hearings would be would people come into that Podium and talking and talking and talking and years ago we started doing presentations and Mystic urugu were very helpful with that we put these presentations on we did them out front we showed people what we're going to go do we broadcasted it we showed people we took questions and I think we've built Trust And depending

for password the first time was a narrow pass the second time flew through and the third time flew through even with the changes we've made from recommendations the people moving down here a little bit different from what was here before the retires are retires that came down here they stayed very conservative very tight watch the money real tight and the people down that they're bringing families we're growing young young population and you're you're affecting it yeah it's your own household so you've seen it but all that said people want to live in a quality place they want to know if the school is going to be taken care of do you think impact fees that we put in place have slowed growth down not a bit I think and I've talked to people when we first were doing looking at changes and we're looking like say cutting the fees for impact fees for schools a few years ago one of the people from Tampa that just moved up here she said to me I moved to Pasco because I like the fact that you're putting impact fees in place to go pay for my kids when they go to school that tourist development text that we did to fund the Wiregrass project to go through and even the following year was to so we can build these facilities coming through you know you heard me like talk about how we're going to pay for it I want to make sure we don't go dead heavy on that day but I want to make sure we do the right thing so as much as I'm saying we want to be careful I want to make sure we build it right the first time and spend our money the right way um I look at let me keep going um Swift Mud as you know cut back well we're going to make up the difference of that we got to train people to be able to do jobs we haven't done before and build them so they can multitask with different things so they can actually start taking over these projects because Swift mud's going a different way at this point as you guys know fuel costs maybe it comes down to a certain time but I will tell you for what we're doing and I think with Chief Perez that's out there the cuts we're going to make and we can make and we've still got time for the next time coming through but I'm proud of you know Mike and you're carrying forward all these great people you put in place to keep to keep this thing rolling because we've got to serve the people the people have told us they want to live in a quality place they want to be premiered they're like that and to do these things I think we're doing it frugally but at the same time we know we're going to spend money we've got to keep our people we have here and if it helps the chief to recruit more then so be it Mr Starkey or two things one um you know we we all agree we want to be a premier County um and but I do think that and I appreciate the wonderful fire houses or fire stations that we're building but I do

think there's room for some value engineering there and um and maybe you know we don't have to have the best those wonderful Firehouse in the country so I I do think that there's some room there but what I'm really looking forward to where we have in my opinion dropped the ball is applying for federal and state grants and so I think we have the biggest opportunity to help our citizens if we would just start asking and getting that part of the house in order because as I told you when I was in Washington and I'm in there with the other counties and they're thanking their their Senators Scott and Rubio for for all the help that they and all the money they brought back to their counties we we just we just haven't been doing that and historically ever in this County so I know we have a plan I did we hire a grant person yet or I know we had we were close to one and that went away but yeah so uh very specifically the answer is is no we are you know we we struck out with one we just could not compete in terms of of a on that but just know that it has been a renewed focus and know that for example you know even on the fire side uh we have we have pursued safer grants and we have worked very hard with uh at all levels our our federal uh our Representatives our congressmen and our and our Senators as well and we we feel really really good about our opportunities yes I agree with you 100 which is why we wanted to centralize Grants with lmb to provide renewed focus on that you'll you've seen changes in our legislative approach and our process to that this is this is where we need to go we need our taxpayers pay taxes to the feds into the state we need to leverage that and we need to bring that home to Pasco County so yes that message is has not fallen on deaf ears we are we are putting those things in play and I think you will see those bear fruit well and I want to say you know Mike you've done a phenomenal job as far as working on and changing that uh attitude that we didn't go after things I mean you were you set up a meeting to go with JJ Murphy our fire fire team from the union Etc to go to DC when you couldn't go you called me up to see if I could go and I happily landed I'm going to tell you we made a presentation and a really good presentation that made an effect so that could be seven eight million dollars that could help us we may not know until another few months we may know next month right every realize but one of the things we told them and one of the things we sold them was look at what we've done for our fire stations look we've done for the firefighters even our vehicles I could be in getting National Accord that we're doing the right stuff that I think put us in a good position to possibly get that hand but you know one of the things that Mike you've done as well with stormwater I mean David sewer and Company they went out and got this Giant drink for over Jasmine lakes and whatever to

do that whole thing with the f2a plant was so go get that funded that was like what eight million dollars a ton of money so I'm gonna say Mike thank you for keep on pushing for these grants because the people want it and you've heard us say we want it and you're doing it so and I know you want to hire the right person you want to just hire somebody and with all the hires that you brought in you've hired the right people getting the right stuff done so just keep I think I want you to just keep doing what you're doing I appreciate exactly what you're doing and I think you listen even even one of those things on the uh list going through was a sea Grant agent which is very important to go get a lot of federal money and state money that's out there commissioner I just want to add to what you were saying about the building the fire stations and all with all our growth we've needed fire stations and they've been coming along but here lately the fire stations we're now building or those were we're building within in other words we got two fire stations far away and there it takes them 20 minutes or so or 25 minutes to to make a call in there we're now building a fire station in between those which is cutting that delivery time on fire service and services for EMTs and all to get there to help people in our County and unless we have these funds to be able to do that then we'll steer who those complaints of how come you takes you 20 minutes to get to our house to give us a service but that's that's some things that it takes money to do those kind of things and and build those fire stations and we've done a great job in building fire stations so that plus having money for for more pay for our firefighters in our in our County we need that so they'll quit leaving here and be stay here at home and stay close to their home too so good what else we're going to go into the procedures right now okay thank you Bob this is the first public hearing to adopt the fiscal fiscal year 2024 budget for the board of County commissioners of Pasco County Florida citizens will provide an opportunity to speak during the public comment portion of the hearing Mr Gerrick do we have proof of notice for this meeting yes sir notification for this meeting was provided in the trim of Truth and millage notice mailed to each property owner in accordance with the Florida statute 200.065 the first issuance to be discussed is the recommended millage and percentage changes from the rollback rates thank you chairman members of the board the aggregate millage rate as advertised in the trim notice was 9.8305 Mills which represents a 13.16 increase from the aggregate rolled back rate of 8.6876 Mills the reason the aggregate millage rate is higher is because the total taxable value increased between last year and this year generating additional

Revenue levied for the same military table one in your handout shows the millage rates for the various County levies and a comparison of the recommended millage rates to the rolled back rates and the prior year adopted millage rates rather than read this chart into the record we have provided copies to each commissioner board records and members of the audience tonight I would like to ask the commission to adopt attentive Village rates and total budget the millage rates adopted tonight are the maximum allowed by Florida law without mailing each property owner an additional notice the board can reduce the millage rate tonight through the final hearing on September 19 2023 however the millage rate cannot be increased later in the meeting should the commission wish to modify the budget we asset staff be directed to return on September 19th at the final public hearing with the desired amendments I'd like to give a brief summary of the general fund and transportation trust fund budget starting sorry stating the tenant of millage rates the percentage change from the rolled back rate and the reasons for this change the tenant of the village rate for the general fund is 7.6076 Mills which is a 10.24 increase from the rollback rate of 6.9010 the tentative millage rate is the same as last year's millage rate the county realized a 16.5 percent increase in taxable assessed values over the past year compared to the current fiscal year the tend to general fund expenditure budget represents an increase of 40.2 million dollars the main factors for this increase include fully funding the sheriff's budget request including 10 additional deputies funding for the presidential preference primary operational expenditures for the expanded Detention Center fully funding five additional Code Compliance officers and a wage increase for board and constitutional officer employees prior action by the Florida legislature eliminated the requirement for mandatory Transportation at the lorem tax though Transportation Village was levied last year and we proposed no millage be assessed this year for the transportation trust fund I ask that the board accept public comment and then vote on the general fund and the transportation of trust fund millage rates and Associated budgets the minimum vote required to Levy the general fund millage is a simple majority or three votes according to our maximum military calculation thank you does anyone wish to speak to the board regarding the general fund in transportation trust fund anyone from the public we have persons signed up but we're not sure as to what fund they may be wanting to speak to okay um Rick Crocker Mr Crocker if you give your name and address for the record oh Rick Proctor

32646 Wesley Way Dade City okay go ahead sir I'm not sure if I'm the right uh venue a forum but um I was very impressed with Mr Marino Mariano earlier today about suggesting the other two to go down to the other office and try to work something out that's uh that's great but that's not why I'm here I know where you're going I'm here to talk about the millage rate and and the taxes that that are forthcoming um I listen to miss stocky talk about you know this isn't even the worst of the pain um I'm touching generation where I come from you know I'm not from here you can hear me um I've been here 10 years um some of you know me um I just am nervous that I won't be able to retire here and afford I mean I'm looking at at this this this paper my taxes will go from 4 300 to almost six thousand dollars it's crazy I I watched it happen in my own Community you know why a family-owned land we sold it what did we do we went and filled roads on it we got paid to do it we got off the board of selectman we got off the police departments we got off the fire departments volunteers we gave it all up I wish we never did I know there's good people stand sitting in front of me and there's good people behind me we got to use common sense nobody will begrudge at a firefighter or a police officer absolutely should be paid a living wage and then some that's not what I'm here to talk against there's got to be other ways I'm encouraged to hear the the federal grants but let's look at those before we go and vote ourselves into some submissive culture that we can't even afford and Tylenol watched it happen real time that's all I really have I don't want to belaborate but um please I'd urge you guys to look at lower in the middle rate or something to help people to to Mr Whiteman's points this is this is serious and I and I'm I'm fearful that this County goes in the direction that my own town that was founded by my relatives um we'll go thank you thank you where you from Chicago where sandwich Cape Cod Massachusetts uh Nick and I apologize I'm gonna have a little trouble reading your last name trout now is the mill from the school district and mosquito control a mosquito yeah not us oh that's good on the bottling Nick jumas 1831 Denison Road uh out in Odessa so I had to hump it a little bit to get here um I'm from Chicago so as you all know taxes up there are a lot higher um I don't think anybody's here to speak for the increase right I think we'd

probably have to get our heads checked if that was the case um y'all have a difficult job staff has a difficult job I don't envy you at all I ran for office myself once thankfully I lost but um y'all have difficult jobs to do I really don't envy you um but we don't hire y'all to do the easy things we hire y'all to do things the hard way anybody can ask for a tax increase that's easy I can run for office and say I'm going to raise people's taxes you know what I'm saying anybody can do that I really don't see what we're going to be missing out on if we don't raise our taxes I moved here in August of 99. maybe people weren't calling Pasco a premier County back in August of 99 but I certainly thought it was a perimeter County y'all are not responsible for all of the increases on our bills only a small portion but I will say that if every agency votes for the uh proposed budget amendments my taxes are effectively going up 25 percent that's a lot of money I just bought my house last year the last guy I paid two grand in taxes every year now I'm being asked to pay 5 600. I'm 31 years old I was raised in Pasco County I was educating Pasco County and I'm looking at leaving I don't want to but there's a large cohort of people like me that are going to leave and we're going to be what stuck with retirees that have big pensions from up North and and everything becomes corporatized we we build another Lowe's in An Inconvenient location which is going to cause way too much traffic and we argue over the 30-foot Lots versus the 40-foot Lots versus the 50-foot lots and we just tax our way into a corporate society that we we can't already can't afford I mean I don't see what we're missing out on for the last four years everyday Americans like me have woken up and life has gotten more expensive every single day as Mr Wheaton was saying it's it's everything I know you know I work with the school board uh penny for Pasco I'm the chairman of the capital finance committee over there we're having discussions on bonds and tax increases and all that fun stuff and you know I'm afraid what I'm going to say in the meetings over there you know because education is important to me but I do know that government is not here to solve everybody's problems not everything can be not every Circle can be square not everything can be shiny and new sometimes we as a society have to suffer and have less so that we can prosper privately government's job is not health safety and Welfare government's job is to build a venue for business to happen so that you guys can have in tax revenue if we squeeze ourselves

we squeeze squeeze the lemon dry we're going to end up harming ourselves in the long run um I appreciate your time thank you very much commissioner Chris Stebbins no no nope you can't do that here sorry sorry my name is Chris Stebbins I live at 41243 Nipper Road Zephyr Hills Florida I'm here to protest the proposed budget increase represent myself my neighbors and my fellow citizens in Crystal Springs and to let you know that we know exactly what you're doing and you're not fooling anyone it's bad enough I have to pay three thousand dollars a year which isn't that much compared to him for a mobile home that I own outright on my own land that I own outright without you coming to me and saying that's not enough we need 25 more not enough yeah we can't keep up with the potholes and we need to build schools and we need to hire more firemen inflation is killing us you're going to lecture us about inflation you know what we're expected to do when inflation hits us tighten our belts cut costs and do more with less that's what we're expected to do what you are asking us to do is no different than us going to our employer and saying inflation's killing us I need a 25 raise you can't fire us and I need it this Friday from now on they would look at us like we were insane you can't even do more with more housing prices have doubled in the last five years and doubled in the 10 years before that a house is four times as expensive as it was 15 years ago so 15 years of three percent cap for us homeowners 15 years of that that doesn't include the commercial business rentals they all got to pay whatever you tell them to pay there's no cap for them so 15 years of exponential growth going into the coffers of this County and you're coming to us and telling us it's not enough we need 25 percent more it's outrageous you know what roads and schools and firehouses are impacts from over built sprawl of which you are the overseers of you don't think 200 million dollars enough a year in Impact fees is enough to make ends meet I got news for you if you think you can't make ends meet with that double the impact fees triple them that'll stop the sprawl you're probably looking at me like this poor soul doesn't have a clue what does he expect us to do you know what I expect you to do what everyone expects us to do do more with less tighten your belt and cut calls [Applause] [Music] please don't applaud next question Joseph 4940 Marlette Drive Newport rich

well bought a house down here seven years ago it's not homesteaded like hers I own another one like to retire there or something came damn close to flooding last week inches away I heard you mentioned you had these boats to go and save people they're told to get the hell out they should have should have listened okay we knew it was coming okay my taxes when I first bought that house in seven years and have gone up 121.2 percent modest 2 000 square foot home your proposal you want me to pay over nine thousand dollars a year for that home that's kind of stupid don't you think it's nuts nine thousand a year almost built in 1972 still reflects that age has not been upgraded I don't have stone countertops all that fancy stuff in my house over nine thousand a year you want me to pay can't even buy flood insurance can't buy well yeah I can 13 000 a year homeowners is over five what do you expect us to do you all want raises we don't get raises we want to retire someday living on a fixed budget like everybody else here what do you expect us to do just give up because you're going to have people moving we're going to move the hell out of Florida our taxes you got your politicians up there and Tallahassee did nothing for us last year not a damn thing nothing zero you still got people from the last hurricane last year it haven't been paid yet insurance companies are leaving or they're just flat out not paying people then you gotta sue them that's sad when you're going to sue your insurance company get your house fixed don't you think got to do something about this folks because I'm not going to put up with it I'm ready to go all the way whatever has to be done to get it changed thank you uh Roxanne you had signed also are you waving okay Joseph Wells good evening commissioner commissioner commissioner commissioner commissioner Madam commissioner my name is Joseph Wells I live at 12 12 19 while Turkey Lane Hudson Florida 34667. what a great Road Nate sorry well it would be if you could afford it there are a lot of things I want to say but I'm just going to cut to chase with the ones that are on my mind right now what's up in addition to what everybody's saying these costs they are killing us I'm 62 years old I can't retire at 67 like the government says that I should be able to I gotta wait until I'm 71. at least you said that we um Madam you said that

we need to pay our people so that they don't go to another County well that happens no matter what you do they moved to the cheaper County no matter what it is because guess what whenever you're charging us this much more every single year and beyond that usually I see this in a election I'd follow in taxes in an election so the people get to vote on it the people don't get to vote on this here we get to say a few minutes worth of things and then we have to live with ever whatever decision is made and a couple of the Commissioners haven't even spoken but the ones who have the only one who has said that it's too much is commissioner waiting nobody else is looking out for the small person in this County and this County was nice because I moved here because it was cheaper than Pinellas County proud of it more than 15 years my family's been in Florida for more than 55 years my father was a cracker from Florida near Brandon my brother was born in Florida my baby brother we call him a mistake he was born in Florida when we moved here in 1968. and we moved here because Florida was so much better than California with the Summer of Love and the man since the next year you know my father said uh no I'm from Florida we're going back to where I started so even though both of my parents were deceased my mother decided not to go back to her home and her family in California she stayed in Hardy County for 50 years before she died she worked until she was 75 and a half in banking 75 and a half she only lived another year and a half after she took her time so that was a Bad Bad Bet on her part but I heard her father's day Phyllis you need to take your retirement at 62. so that you can make enough money um that you don't have to wait until you don't have to live to be 75 to get that money back um your time's over can you wrap it up please yes of course I can't you guys are being paid 95 of what Hillsborough counties being paid okay so you guys are getting a bump and we're getting the shaft also our um so-called um representative in Congress Mr billabracas he's voted against every single um uh thing for the people since he's gotten there that's where we got to wrap it up thank you okay no I

want I have one more thing to say there's been four million dollars requested for this very thing alone through his office three years thank you sir Richard Pickett my name is Richard pigett my wife and I live at 5513 El Cerro Drive Newport Richie 34655 I was trained as a CPA and I also am a certified financial planner the transparency that you give the public between a millage increase and capital and expense accounts that don't give me anything to comment on they really don't I would have to dig into the books right alongside of the gentleman sitting back here so really all I can do is look at one line item and I take of course you have a restatement this year on this do not pay and I'm afraid people look at this and it says do not pay so they put in the round file but anyway there's a restatement on here it says Ms fire last year my property taxes didn't have that restatement but I went through everything related to Fire and I find that the millage is up 26 percent now I hear well this year we're going to look forward 10 years and Mr uh Weightman was the only one that bit back on that dog as far as I'm concerned the other excuse is inflation I would like for you to look at inflation as it's expected to be in the new fiscal year as opposed to the prior fiscal year we all are are combating inflation and our Federal Reserve is doing a pretty good job of of combating it and so I'm afraid that inflation is a talking point I want to close so that the sheriff doesn't take me out too by saying instead of two minutes I really did one minute I really didn't see uh commentary from y'all that was balanced a balanced commentary says we are doing better things in this County and we're doing it affordably you're all taking Victory laps for how much money you've got penny for Pinellas back when and this that and the other so all we're left with is making sure that Mr waitman stays but you and you and you you're all gone if I have anything to do with it I probably don't but so there's that and then we have to move to Hernando because this is unaffordable thank you Mr chairman that's all that have signed up in advance it's okay you don't have to if anyone likes to speak they can just the show I'm gonna go first and then what what's this week next line up behind him

um hello my name is Jose rolding and Junior I live at uh 40040 Lynbrook Drive in Zephyr Hills 33540. um I'm talking on my dad's behalf because he's 83. um we own a lot of rental property we own a total of six homes my dad lives in one and four duplexes so 13 rental units um when I saw the first slide that you guys had up there they said Homestead would only go up about 3 000 and non-homestead would go up fifteen thousand so the non-homestead 19 000. 44 000 27 000. 23 000. so this one twenty one thousand twenty thousand forty seven thousand forty seven thousand and there's a little bit of change to that so when I tallied all these up it was about 247 000 that the property values increased I understand property values have to increase I mean look at Zephyr Hills I mean they're we're booming now but um 247 000 what this means to me is if you uh adopt the budget we're going to have to pay 22 186 and change if you don't adopt a budget which I hope you don't we're going to pay about eighteen thousand last year we paid about eighteen thousand so it would stay the same but unfortunately with the cost of insurance going up um this year alone from January to basically now we spent seventy thousand dollars cash to renovate some of the people that when they left the property we had to fix it all up um that's money that it'll take years for us to get back um but I don't understand if you had up there it's only going to go up fifteen thousand dollars from nine Homestead why did two of them went up forty seven thousand that that's just outrageous and these are in I would say the slum of Zephyrhills so why uh 47 000 in some of the sums of Zephyrhills that this is outrageous I understand all these people's pain with all these taxes going up how are people supposed to afford to live I like what he said you know he to me he's on our side I don't know so much about you guys I don't really know but from just listening to you madam and you sir I don't think you're on our side and to to keep these taxes like they are it's really going to people what's going to happen is my dad wants to sell these but this is my only source of income because I take it over stuff like this from rental properties is going to affect not only my tenants because I have to raise the rates which I don't want to do but then you're going to have corporations come in and take all these homes and then you're going to have a corporation run an entire Community because you guys want to bring the taxes and I propose that you do not adopt this uh proposal because it's really going to hurt not only me but everybody else that's uh wanting their taxes to not go up and I do appreciate your time thank you

hi my name is Ed grundballs I live at 12882 Palapa Loop Spring Hill Florida I recently moved from Minnesota here bought a home last year Pasco County now I expected a bump in taxes because of the value of the home went up tremendously but I didn't expect a bump in all huge bump in taxes this year now my total tax bill is 84.5 percent higher this year as opposed to last year okay that's the total that's all the line items on our do not pay this bill this is not a bill however the two line items that you guys have control over and what this meeting is all about is something just called counties called Ms fire the county went up 73 percent now you can talk about inflation which was nine percent now down to four percent but 73 percent that's outrageous it's outrageous now the fire is 121 percent more last year to this year 121 that's over double that's also ridiculous folks and again you only per two people were silent three talked that this is great and only one talked against it that's that that's going to show up in the voting booth folks it is if you care about your jobs I mean it's ridiculous it truly is ridiculous I I actually went to a city council meeting where they raised in 2010 after the financial bust they raised property taxes six percent I thought that was outrageous I went back and I talked to them they went back and huddled you know went back and they rated some four percent the following year they went under inflation so they heard I don't know if you guys are gonna hear me but it's about time you listen and I'm only here one year these people have been here for longer at least everyone was taught so I have 40 seconds left I healed my time to the next speaker that's all we have signed up in advance they almost want to address the board um yeah just for clarification this is our County attorney okay and that's our Clerk of Court uh while he's sitting in for our Clerk of Court um she's not here today so they're not elected they really don't want me to talk we're non-voting but we're glad they're sitting here with us okay uh are we going to close public comment for in here is there any on WebEx uh uh no sir let's discussion by the boy commissioner Starkey um could you address some of the comments uh because I need to I think we need to clarify what it is we're doing versus other bills that show up on people's tax bill and then go over again what is statutorily

allowed as far as a increase in property value absolutely so most of the increase on people's tax bills that they're talking about are from the school board so last year can you speak up a little bit I can't hear can you guys hear the biggest increase is from the school board so last year the went to the voters the voters agreed to raise the school board millage by one mill in order to give the Pasco County Teachers a raise and so 75 percent of most tax bills is around that millage for the schools the other 25 percent is generally around the fire millage increase so so what what exactly can you go over again what we are proposing and maybe put that slide out okay sure for the fire um and why and County Administrator maybe you need to talk about a little more so we did not raise our regular millets it's the fire mstu and and why you felt as five Republicans well for tonight but normally five conservative Republicans why you are bringing this to us and what it means to the county certainly I'll be I'll make some brief remarks the with regards to the fire mstu what convinced me in May was the fact that the fund was insolvent the the experience in the red correct the expenses exceeded uh the county had gone eight years without an increase I believe uh in in that fund and the exponential rate of growth and the demand of services the need to outfit new fire stations with firefighters and Equipment um it's simply at a point where it's not sustainable so with in conjunction with the previous fire chief that we outlined a plan that that spelled out how we could provide some continuity and stability within the fire service there's a lot of external factors as well going on in that industry we lose firefighters to Hillsborough City of Tampa it's it's highly highly competitive we are the third busiest ambulatory agency in the state of Florida and our response times are suffering and we are playing a lot of catch-up due to the growth so the recommendation was made to to take a higher millage recognizing that the only other way to fund it would be from your General Revenue and so if if we took from General Revenue that essentially would would you know cut into other things than services that are provided by the local government so we we felt that raising the millage a you know a modest amount would would would help solve those problems uh we hired in the meantime the new fire chief um and chief Perez takes a very conservative approach as well and I think you saw that up there where uh you know he looked at large equipment reductions looked at reducing non-combat Personnel looked to committing to operating expense growth reductions and as such was actually able to stretch that 2.3 mils out to a longer planning

period now I will say this obviously we you know as a result of these hearings we can look at alternative planning Horizons which would probably correspond to lower millage rates on the fire mstu and so we're taking all this into account you know to move forward to the final adoption hearing I will further say that we even within the general fund we recognized insolvency balances as well demands for services are increasing and I went back with each of the assistant County administrators across all funds in the county and had them re-scrub their budgets back within their targets and you know if there's contracts that aren't going to work well then they're not going to work so I do believe that a lot of these citizens concerns have been taken care of in the process at this point you know any reductions in any of those would would simply mean reductions in service in which case I would need feedback from the board on where you would want to go with that but drawing that I want to go back to the fire mstu I do believe that Chief Perez and these things that we have outlined here are necessary for the fire service to to continue to provide to be there when people need it as we saw in the hurricane just as a you know as a recent reminder and Mr really you made it you make a good point as far as we're trying to cut where we can Chief Perez thank you so much for actually looking at it right off the bat and telling me the other day as I said which we're out there looking at the damage out in the area that you found some ways to cut and you're going to continue to work with our staff to go forward as we look at this today this is setting a tentative knowledge and the keywords tentative there I want to give you the time to take that 10-year window bring it down to the five-year I think with the other capacity that you have maybe it gets lower and lower so however it comes out I want you to bring it back to us and as you talked you may give us a few options as we do the adoption in a couple weeks from now so I think it's I think we all we all agree we want to see that so but again our firefighters I'm proud to say that from the conditions I worked on from years ago they're better treated as far as safety goes those hot zones cold zones so they can get into safe equipment so they live longer lives reduce cancer rates I think it's something that I want to continue to go do I want to make sure that we protect everybody's let's say uh not to leave this kind of to go somewhere else and we we've been through that for years where they would work in Pasco County stay here for a little bit of time because it can make a little bit more money down the street all that time and money we've been training and building our people we lose the people down the street we don't want to do that commissioner Starkey well I wanted to reiterate because I'm not sure from some of the comments that we heard that they understood that what

we're talking about is we will go through the expense of hiring if that's what happens with our deputies big time but now it's happening with our firefighters we will hire them outfit them train them that's a lot of money before they're on the street helping and then and in the third year they can leave and go somewhere else I remember the deputies showing me their paychecks boom ten thousand more dollars uh working for Hillsboro uh than working for us but still living here and it's it it's it's a frustrating thing for us to have to you know when other areas raise their prices we have to we have to be competitive to keep our deputies here and I I think we're even behind on the amount of deputies and firefighters that we need but can you go over what what the cost what this millage cost is people leave every day for better jobs please sir sir it costs us a lot of money yeah very very expensive for us to train people for other counties that's all of what's the what the millions increase on the fire Ms to you because we're not raising the millage on the property correct so the millage increase on the fires from 1.8036 to 2.3 Mills so we're recommending so what is and what does that mean in numbers value yes so that is an increase of 49 for the typical hundred thousand dollar home okay and this and this does not get us out of the red yet oh correct correct right if we were to lower that sum we what does that mean I mean what happens to us um to our reserves this year and completely assaulted by the policy and I don't even know if that's legal if that's legal I don't think that's legal we have to keep what 16 in reserves what is the amount 16.7 16. 16.7 in reserves which is I believe two months of pay it's two months two months of operating budget so we have not been facing the bullet on our responsibilities in the Fire arena so thanks commissioner thank you chair so Mr Kabbalah based on that statement after our robust dialogue that's not the message I heard if we don't go with the 2.3 it's not the message that we talked about that's when we talk we talked about that we could still work work through some things and you'd be we'd get two to two to three years if we land on on the surf on a certain so I wanna I want there to be some accuracy because it's what what you agreed to commissioner starkey's statement and it kind of contradicts what the exercise that we're actively working on I I don't think it does um I think what commissioner Starkey was asking what happens if we don't do

anything and if we don't do anything we go into the red and I think we've been very consistent as to why action my apologies oh and we you know this is a 10-year plan right and then like I was he was such when we were cutting everything okay okay but I know what happened because I had young children at the time is the county went into their general fund and cut the parks and the libraries 30 and uh 30 which is what we would be doing because that's what funds that's where the general fundament goes and we'd be shutting us down and and then we I remember when I first got elected we tried doing fees for people going to the park and we had fare boxes in the Parks there's no there's no easy answer for this and I I understand I I'm coming out of covet would stop and now we have this inflation and uh that's hitting all of us um but we we do really have empathy we really do I have family members that are struggling too so I under I understand and something to keep in mind too over the years and five years ago the vote was made the vote was made people reached out as we put these projects forward for the go bonds for jail projects fire rescue Parks and Rec libraries people voted those in we didn't make the decision they made the decision we want these Services we don't want Pasco to be like it was with like no reserves Bare Bones they wanted a better quality life and they voted themselves to be taxed on these things that that was in fact the school board just did the same thing where they couldn't hire bus drivers and teachers needed races I mean they put it out there and was voted on the people voted it through so you may think we're just raising taxes raising taxes I think we're listening to what our people have said they wanted do I think we want to keep on cutting whatever we can I do and I think we're working on it I think we're also looking at creating whatever opportunities we can to get other monies to come in here to help us balance our budget so as far as to listen to our people I think when they tell us they want these things it's our duty to try to find a way to make it happen it's unfortunate inflation's gone through the roof things we don't control uh insurance rates we don't control we're trying to work with our state people to get them to kind of look at what's going on I mean my District's on the water and frankly for someone who owned their own house and have to go buy if they're going to get citizen Insurance to have to get to get flood insurance to pay a federal agency that's letting people stay in a Four Seasons Hotel different game so we are looking at what we can control every step of the way and commissioner

waitman I don't think anybody who's bashed you for you know pushing to go try to get us to cut where we can cut at the same time I think another Mr carbella to say look we're losing money for eight years we haven't raised anything we need to get these things done we got to get them done so it's not an easy process and again we do have another meeting coming in two weeks to finally make a decision but we had to put in the highest number that was there we can always bring it down Commissioner Oakland you know when we went through the referendum before and they uh figure we needed you know the different things we were 20 20 years behind in parks and rec we had to bring that up but the citizens voted to bring that up we put it in there in the referendum where they could do that we were going to build a thousand bed because we needed a thousand bed Detention Center we in and we put the bonds out and got the money and because of inflation we only end up with a little over 500 beds because inflation and the cost of it hit us so drastically at that time did you but in our budget in our approvals today we approved giving Hernando County to make something how much 2.7 approximately 2.7 million because we don't have room in our jail we got to send them up to Hernandez that's that's the High House those extra inmates that we can't house so but a lot of this is it keeps going on that's uh the fact of it is I'd I'd like to see us not raise any taxes and and be good but as soon as we don't do what we're supposed to do to keep things going the right way for our citizens as soon as we stop getting that money that we need to provide these services our phones are they ring off the hook now and we are providing Services just like what to do if we didn't have the funds to do the services we need here and now and in the future we're looking out in the future of what's your name we're still a cheaper neighborhood in in County here than we are some of our neighboring counties they're much more expensive but it takes money to do some of this and and I have to pay it too I pay it in my taxes and I have to pay more to grocery store everybody does I wish there was something that would change that but being we're I think fifth in the nation of the fastest growing counties in the whole nation in the United States right now there's a lot happening right here so our job is to make sure we have these Services you wait to someone has a burning house and a fire truck doesn't show up whether it be 15 or 20 minutes if it doesn't show up you really got a problem and that person is having a heart attack and you don't get there within that five or ten minutes that person's gone we got to stop that kind of thing and by

building these extra fire stations providing that service cutting that service from 20 minutes to five and ten minutes it makes a lot of difference for our citizens in Pasco and they want that service I know it's expensive for all of us but our citizens deserve good service another thing just one other thing you know I'll quit there were things firefighters wanted to like more Kelly days in their contract so they could have a little more time off because they get they get worked pretty quickly and and what they do in a fire a firefighter going to a fire and working in a fire doesn't last but about 15 minutes because he's exerting every bit of his energy in that 15 minutes that he arrives so that first when that first call comes and they we put out there about 12 to 16 people on that first call of a fire they're only going to last 15 minutes when they start fighting that fire a lot of people don't know that the fact of it is we got another group coming right behind them because they're going to have to relieve them in about 15 or 20 minutes so what's amazing and what you have to do and what you have to provide to have fire service Police Service and and all the different Services we have to look after counties flood issues and everything else we've tried to work hard on all these issues but it costs money it actually costs too much money to do a lot of things but we got good people and you know you're talking about a couple of things right there and one gentleman made a comment about the people that we had to go evacuate right we made it mandatory we didn't want to make Lee County's mistake and wait too long to tell people they had to go so we pushed and that my message never changed and I didn't see anyone else's message changed he had to go out and I will say the following day I heard people say well I heard on the news it was only about a foot strum search so I stayed in so that misinformation might have slowed people down I'm just telling you that's what they that's what people told me so so going through that even still coming back into the conversation that we had today at the board meeting was to say you know let's go look at shutting down water shutting down electric just having patrols out there to go through so that people are safe so we know we need to get people evacuate we need to go forward so something happened years ago we used to flood out all the time watched it on the news I ran in 2004 the first time I watched four hurricanes go through and watch my people get flooded all over the place what did I think my people wanted me to do was to go fix the flooding I took every course I could because we did it yes but are we a better place to live I think so one thing to that fact a mandatory move time to leave a lot of people wouldn't move even after a mandatory move to get inland we steal our our fire service and our

police officers still had to go out and pull out 184 people that did not leave and they were mostly and you can't get you can't get away from the water kills so if you don't pull yourself in Inland and get that help to get Inland then we have to go service there was two fires on houses we couldn't invent two because they were flooded so I want to go back to some of the comments that people made about the increase on their bills um because I don't understand how you can go up 80 percent or whatever some of the numbers were so uh and I I would love for you to give that to him what statutorily on the part that we can control I mean save it's three percent on homesteaded right correct so can you go over that everyone cannot increase by more than three percent or the rate of inflation whichever is less this year the rate of inflation is more but for the 14 of the past 15 years rate of inflation has been less than three percent so this year three percent your taxable assessed values can't increase by more than three percent okay and what about non-homestead because I also have a Noms non-homesteaded home not homesteaded properties can't increase by more than 10 percent taxable system so who was the guy from Software House no no no we can't we can't take public okay so so I I just you know it's not coming from the count your Inc those increases are coming from us I don't know what they're coming from but for from our part it cannot go up if they show those values yeah you can go talk to the property appraiser because they're the ones who sent those values not of us but even even if value has gone up 50 percent or 60 you're taxable increase cannot go up more than 10 percent exactly so if you think there's an issue there and you think something's wrong please contact the property value adjustment board well there's a thing more than 10 they would first call would be to the Property Appraiser's office but they haven't they have X number of days to petition for a review by the value adjustment board it's on it's on the board I'm ready to go today we're on the trim notice sorry and Bob Bob talk about it if you would the homestead Homestead Properties of people buy and then when they buy it the year later their taxes go up because they don't have the same discounts or the values significantly been protected all those years until it goes out exactly that's a good point so if a property owners in the property there's a difference between the market value of your home the taxable sets value of the home and market value is going to be much higher than the taxable assessed value once you sell that home a taxable assess value resets to the market value so if you buy a new home you're

automatically going to be paying more taxes on that property just because it's reset to the market value not the taxable assess value the Property Appraiser's website actually has a calculator on it that when you buy a new home you can calculate what the tax bill that you can expect on that new home yeah so and then you need to file for your homestead exemption if you live in it 50 of the time and then the following year it cannot go up more than three percent yes and there's actually 11 Homestead exemptions the homestead exemptions we're showing here are two of the homestead exemptions which everybody should have but there are 11 altogether so I encourage people to go to the Property Appraiser's website and research all those 11 different exemptions okay commissioner how's that one one final comment I I truly believe he yelled at not being in the microphone I truly believe we have a greater disparity disparity in wealth in our County than we ever have with all the new folks that have moved here with all the new money that's moved here the folks that have moved here from out of state have come here with a larger pot of money than our existing longer term residents pre-covered residents with property values and people flocking here have skyrocketed our existing residents dollar dollar for dollar can't keep up with the new folks in my opinion when we tax them they're not able to keep up with this new kind of cost of living that we now have and I'm very sensitive to that that compounded with insurance hikes and everything else in in your in your property's jumping you got our existing businesses jumping ten percent year over year over year look at your values it's they jump up pretty quick I know they're capped but when your revenues the money in the bank isn't keeping up with the the new value of Pasco County it squeezes out all the folks that have been here for a long time and we've all been here long we all understand a long time yeah so you know I I am very sensitive to that in this decision I don't so I'm just I'm just I listen to you guys and you know the new there's a new fella here he's kind of sticker shocked right I was like you know uh I just I just make that statement and uh I appreciate you chairman for giving me give me give me the time yes sir any further discussion okay is there a motion to adopt the tender millage rate for the general fund of 7.6076 Mills I move and I'll second all in favor say we can all and I'll change it if the next thing yeah you still have another keywords tentative all in favor say hi hi opposed any opposed don't work on you we got one more game going on

is there a motion to adopt the tentative millage rate for the transportation trust fund of zero Mills do you have a second gotta have a second for zero taxes let's go zero Mills yeah motion a second all in favor say aye aye okay Mr chair and now like to provide a summary of the fire Municipal Services taxing unit budget stating the tentative military percentage change from the world back rate and the reasons for that change the fires Municipal Services taxing unit has a recommended tax levy of 2.3 Mills this represents a 40.73 increase in the rolled back rate of 1.6343 the increase in property values results in an additional 21.7 million dollars in property tax revenue the budget includes a negotiated firefighter wage increase software equipment and Technology upgrades as well as a first responder mental health program I would ask the board to accept public comment and then vote on the municipal fire Municipal Services taxing you're going to fund millage rate and Associated budget the minimum Vote for This tentative hearing is a simple majority or three votes okay and before I call for public comment I just want to discuss this just a little bit Mike because I think you've heard pretty good direction from us um I know initially we're going to take a look at 10-year plan I think we need to shelve it down to a five-year plan I think five years good good good planning I want you to continue to work with the chief on this to find out what cuts I mean he's got some great ideas already so keep working that through so it does come back to us that we can bring bring the number down but for right now it is a tentative attendance situation so far we can present the board with options of course okay this is time for public comment does anyone wish to speak to the board regarding the fire Municipal service taxing unit but we're gonna we're gonna take people in order so hang on you'll have your three minutes as soon as this gentleman's done first you go first then my name is Paul Totten my address is protected uh I'm a firefighter in the county I serve on the local Z board uh I'll try to be brief I've been here all day like you uh I think it's worthwhile to point out that uh I recognize that raising taxes is a big deal and I recognize that a lot of people are having a tough time right now but it occurs to me that had this military been adjusted even in the most modest amount five years ago what a much better financial position we would be in now and how much of that growth that's come to this County of people of wealth of means from other areas that are buying these expensive homes the portion that they could have been paying into our tax rules to build our fire department to what it should be uh Florida Tax watch I'm not I assume

they're all aware of it their comparison of the 67 counties in Florida the 2023 publication places Pasco at 57th out of 67 counties for Public Safety expenditures that's unbelievably low and it's a testament to the work that the men and women that work for your fire department have been putting in to make it function as well as it has it's time to adjust the millage for the fire department to bring us to the area that we need to be and one of the things you'll appreciate I live in Clearwater my fire department's ISO rating is one I appreciate Insurance savings because of that ISO rating you save money on your property diet because there's a fire station no I save property I save money on my homeowners insurance that's the one and the businesses save money on their insurance because there's a fire station Closer by and there's fire hydrants every 500 feet and the effective response Force which I don't even believe is measured in this county is you can get 50 firefighters in front of a burning building in a matter of 15 minutes down there and that is it's just not the reality here we're behind and we need to get some momentum to catch up one of the interesting things about the tax watch document is if you've been following it over the years it's a per cap measurement right well this year we dropped and it's a byproduct of our millage our Revenue coming in not matching the population coming in so the per cap dollars were somewhere in the 600s last year it's down in the 500s this year because the population increase in the fire service not growing to match the population look at the amount of hospitals that have been built in the county the amount of Publix the amount of all these other service buildings to serve the citizens and then compare that with the growth of fire departments and fire fire stations in the county we simply have not been keeping up a pro commissioner Bradford at the last meeting it's time to pay for the party we've been having the millage needs to be adjusted up it's time it's well past time and the deeper energy you dig into this you'll make a very strong case for the millage adjustment that's being asked for thank you thanks so the um as he's walking up if you don't mind the um the document that he's speaking to I would encourage all of you to go see it because you can see where Pasco County compares to every other county in the state over multiple areas it shows where your tax dollars goes compare and it's called Florida Tax spots how Florida counties compare and um yeah we're playing catch-up that's our name and address uh Richard pigett you need the address again yes please 5513 El Cerro Drive Newport Richie Florida 34655 I have a financial question does the millage cover fixed expenses such as new firehouses is that your only question or do you

want to go further well he's commenting yeah that's a simple question no no I'll just dance but do you want to continue on with your public comment or just I want to ask another question once I find out the answer to this question yeah I'll allow it let's go it doesn't cover the construction costs okay that doesn't make any sense Okay so where do you get the money if you don't have a bond or new fire stations that you've been building the last number of years the primary way is that through Bond or loan and through impact fees I don't see any amortization of a bond in here is the amortization of the bond in the millage it's okay to stay up there stay up there and yeah where you have separate go Bond millage Bobby yes okay thank you um sir our budget is online you can go check out our budget I encourage you that's a little later okay is there anyone else would like to speak to the fire Municipal service taxing unit s my name is Joe lisac 4940 Marlin Drive Newport Richie we my wife and I went to the tax assessors or the the guys that put the values on our house over here property appraisers spent a lot of time with them brought all kinds of different scenarios from around our area and what houses sold for what conditions they were in and so forth basically we got oh well if you don't like it bring us to court but we never lost and I still can I want to know why in seven years my taxes have gone up 121 percent it's over 17 percent a year worse than 10 percent cap for Nam Homestead homes where is it state law state law 10 percent cap mines above that so is his going to be it's not from us there's there's people that put the property appraiser is a separate constitutionally elected officer it's he is in charge of setting valuation tax collector is in in charge of collecting yeah I understand that did you file a petition to have your taxes reviewed with a Vib like it says on the bottom of your trim notice we were look we got past the deadline on that last year we weren't really up on this year we definitely will the other question is you know they got our house assessed at this value that's on a fictitious Market because no houses are the same that sell in that area because we're not homesteading that's how they get the value my question is what's my house worth now since interest rates have gone way up and the flooding that's happened that side of 19. who's going to want to buy the house now that so we our taxes are collected a year that wait the values are set and then

we're set on January 1st a year January 1st so if if there is a if homes on the water are devalued then that will show next year but I don't think you'll see any difference because it's still going up I mean my house value in Gulf Harbor is thank God I have saved our homes on it that's it's doubled since I moved there five years ago so um it's gonna be harder to sell it now with the insurance problems though the neighbor bought it bought her house cash from New York they think it's so cheap to live here up there yeah it is compared to New York we're from there because I understand what taxes are in New York so uh let me let me ask a question other things on your tax bill besides our levies and maybe you're seeing some of that but you have an opportunity with the value adjustment board to have your all right but I'm gonna I'm gonna question sir that might might help you with your answer so when we when we put these when these go bonds were passed in the school military passed yes could that drive it up more than 10 for somebody we've done some research while the folks are up here talking and this gentleman in particular what they're doing is they're comparing the tax rate that they'll be charged next year to the rolled back rate we don't currently charge the rollback rate so you should be comparing column one to column three most people are comparing column two to column three that's where you get the 120 percent increase okay I figured something was going wrong so you probably got a minute left you want to make a comment I'll let you come out do you have a relative just just speaking of the mic though please only column I'm concerned is what I paid this year to the next year to the next year to the next year that's where I'm getting 121 not by any kind of fictitious value it's what I have to pay out of pocket it's gone up 121 percent yeah if you if you would later on would you guys get together just go through that all right it's 10 of the taxable value it's not 10 a 10 increase in taxes that's for occupation so it's yeah so those gold bonds could drive it all right so your taxable value can can't go more than 10 but the other taxes like that were voted in can drop it up and the millage of the school board as well okay all right anyone else here for public comment seeing no one will close public comment here anyone on WebEx uh no sir okay one commissioner be back okay somehow I think I might need you um getting the fire department out of the red now that's the one world the yes we're on the fire Municipal service action unit in the next now the public comment is

closed is there a motion to adopt a military of 2.3 mils for the fireman service taxing unit I moved second all in favor say aye aye aye opposed to the 2.3 millage rate any opposed hmm all right and now let's provide a summary of the eight voter food Debt Service Ministries these Village rates are living to repay the debt service for the general obligation bonds to include two tranches each for the jail the fire rescue projects the Parks and Recreation projects and the library projects the eight individual millages rates are listed in table one in your handout rather than read this chart into the record we've provided copies to each commissioning board records and members of the audience ISO board to accept public comment and then to vote on each Debt Service military independently there is no vote requirement for these millage rates so a simple majority or three votes is all that's needed does anyone wish to speak to the board regarding any of the eight bonded Village rates seeing no one approach anyone on WebEx no sir okay is there a motion to approve move approved a village let me I need to finish let me finish is there a motion to adopt a millage rate of 0.0293 Mills for the 2019a jail facility Bond question we have a motion a second we have a question question to clarify are these numbers the same as the previous I think on the whole they're dropping aren't they about yes sir they'll drop because assist values go up lower military to collect the same amount yeah they're just set to generate the same amount of Revenue to pay the debt service that level of detail is appreciated thank you I agree that should be more convenient that this is less we have a motion a second all in favor say aye aye any opposed is there a motion to adopt the military of 0.0234 mils for the 2019 B fire rescue Bond so move second and under discussion under discussion the attorney told me if you don't approve it when we're in the world I didn't say jail but we'll go to that name but staff is is is preparing millages to make sure that you comply with your bond covenants for these General operations so that's that's where the numbers so did this one go down like the previous eight yes sir I appreciate that level of detail the others should do the same all in favor say aye aye any opposed is there a motion to adopt a millage rate of 0.0109 Mills for the 20 2019 C parks recreation and natural resources Bond so so much second any further discussions same question it has reduced that's going down thank you for that lovely details every

everyone everyone will be the same all in favor say aye aye any opposed is there a motion to adopt a millage rate of .0107 Mills for the 2019 D libraries Bond second any further discussion all in favor say aye aye aye any opposed motion passes is there a motion to adopt a millage rate of 0.0526 Mills for the 2020a Fire Rescue Bots no I was gonna let Seth make the motion did it go down yes it went down yeah so you're lowering I'll let y'all keep the pattern here all in favor say aye aye any opposed passes is there a motion to adopt a millage rate of .0098 mils for the 2021a libraries Bond Summit second did it also go down that went down as well ma'am thank you all in favor say aye aye any opposed is there a motion to adopt a military though 0.1228 Mills for the 2021b jail bond I'm a disability rate increased only because in the first year of a bond we paid Debt Service only second year we're paying Debt Service and principal okay I have a motion assessment further discussion I'm curious to know how much did we go up the one up from 0.11 mils to 0.12 I know we're obligated to say yes but I'm just curious all right good all in favor say aye aye any opposed motion passes is there a motion to adopt a millage rate of 0.0122 Mills for the 2022 a parks recreation and natural resources Bond second all in favor say aye aye did it go down this is a new Bond so it wasn't on the tax bill last year to increase okay I won't ever say aye aye any opposed thank you I'd now like to provide a summary of the remainder of the budget if you refer to table two in your handout you will see the revenue sources and allocations identified by type without regard to individual funds prior to any action taken by the board tonight the budget totals 2 billion 119 million four hundred fifty six thousand six hundred five dollars net of inner fund transfers I asked the board to accept the public comment then vote on the tentative budget there is no vote requirement for the budget so a simple majority or three votes is all that's needed okay we'll now receive public comment on the tentative budget anyone from the public like to comment seeing number one will come in here do we have anything on web approved and no sir okay I have a motion actually wait a second look at that okay so all in favor say aye

aye aye any opposed post okay thank you the actions you have taken here today has set the tentative aggregate millage rate at 9.8305 mils which reflects an increase of 13.16 above the rolled back price I will now read the resolution adopting the millage rates by title only a resolution of the board of County commissioners of Pasco County Florida adopting the tentative living of AD warm taxes for Pasco County for fiscal year 2024 providing for an effective date is there a motion for the approval of the resolution adopting the tentative living of AD alarm taxes for Pasco County for fiscal year 2024. uh second any further discussion all in favor say aye aye aye let me finish any opposed okay I guess if I pose the budget I pose this right because it does say tentative so this is the same knowledge that we've had this includes the increased fire military we have the same millage for eight years plus an increase correct Point what was it 2.3 yes to the fire mstu yeah okay so I'm going to call them I'm going to call the motion again uh all in favor say aye aye aye opposed okay thank you I'd now like to read resolution adopting the budget by title only a resolution of the board of County commissioners of Pasco County Florida adopting the tentative budget for fiscal year 2024 providing for an effective date is there a motion for the approval of the resolution adopting the tentative budget for Pasco County for fiscal year 2024. I move second all in favor say aye aye aye any opposed host thank you any changes made between now and the final public hearing will be detailed in a memorandum which will be be provided to you with your agenda for the regular meeting of September 19 2023. the staff recommends the board provide Direction prior to the final public hearing regarding any additional amendments to the tentative budget as a result of the memorandum mentioned above and any other amendments the board so desires these changes can then be incorporated into the resolution for the public hearing on the evening of September 19th 2023 at 5 15 PM okay so I know Mr Gabriel is going to be looking at the budget he's especially the mstu as far as what we can do there if there's any other savings as well that we can pass on so I want to thank you all for participating this concludes the tentative public hearing now we're going to go back to an item we had on hearing before if those people are still here chairman they deserve an award s yeah back in the 80s that one newspaper one way of yeah a whole little paragraph in there or two thank you

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foreign [Music] we're going to continue the public hearing um you want to come forward and speak please clear the courtroom commissioner commission room thank you so my name is Patrick Plummer I work for Soho Builders residential commercial project zinc and I reside at 2801 Durant Road Valrico Florida we didn't negotiate with the homeowner on the right and he's welcome to come up I'll let you speak for us so we did negotiate um and so we are asking for the appeal to be granted as is without modification based on what we've done to appease the neighbor and with the condition of adding the covert which we've promised the gutters and Landscaping and that's based on the substantial negotiations we deal with the neighbor we feel that they were very fruitful would you would you state that again uh yes we negotiated with the neighbor and so we're asking for the appeal to be approved with the sides and the front approved with the conditions that we fulfill Our obligation to the neighbor what was it negotiated the covert to be added in the driveway the gutters and downspouts and underground bubblers to direct the water flow to the street and a landscaping package okay and and what about the setback from the garage um as we negotiate with the neighbor they indicated we offered them two plans one was substantially higher to completely remodel their kitchen and it's entirely yeah about the garage the setback intrusion five feet so there so there's we would ask that if the if you are not inclined to approve it as is and grant us the setback with the conditions I just stated um then there's an alternate uh request we're making where we are granted the side setbacks with the condition we modified the front of the garage back five feet thank you chair I appreciate the the neighbor here working but bigger picture with the HOA representative what's with your community we kind of want to be in compliance with what your community and everybody is a whole here that's the point of an HOA CDD so so we'll make sure whatever we all kind of collectively agree upon everybody's is aligned without any more negative impact yeah thank you for the record um I can't approve anything that's for the board of directors unfortunately I'm like the County Administrator I am the tool belt that makes everything happen I don't make the decisions right I believe if he comes to the board meeting and talks with the board that they might be able to come to an agreement

I think that that is a the best possible option for us is to have that meeting and have that discussion and come to an agreement from there because we made that decision today it's kind of it's set so we want to make sure that your commute we're just as close as we can be in compliance with your community standards so yeah all right let's start here you know I need Jeff's guidance but and I don't know how far we can take it but when I look at that house it doesn't look like any of the other houses in your neighborhood it doesn't have and it didn't go through you guys so it doesn't have the details that the other house has or the quality of landscaping and so I would even go further and say I I think they need to add some architectural work to that front of that house I mean I went down the street on Google Maps the other houses have rock or brick or shutters and some some trim there's nothing on this house so I would ask that you also improve the Aesthetics of that house with some architectural work and absolutely landscape the heck out of that front yeah like pageant has just finished celebrating their 50th anniversary and we have some homes that are right about 50 years old and some that are only about five to ten years old including this one which is now coming up on a year so there's a wide variety definitely of architectural Styles yeah but but there's no one that's like this one that has nothing no landscaping and no architecture that's true so I would ask the as much as I can I ask well I based on the comments I'm hearing if if the board is concerned about the ultimate position of the homeowners association and whether they're going to take action based on the setbacks I would continue the item until your October 10th meeting to give them time to to petition their the homeowners association and have an answer from them because other otherwise you're sort of cutting them the rug out from under the the association I think that's great advice so I think and we can help as far as talking about architectural standards we've done with new communities coming in so that you can take a look at that the setbacks in the front I think are the most critical you'll compromise with the neighbor being that you've encroached on his is coming to an agreement with him so I would say make sure you have that agreement in place have this setback so it goes back to the 25 feet work in your architecture work in the culverts working the landscaping and bring that to us to what's going to be done and I think if we continue that with that attempt with architectural elements also commissioner I'm concerned if they if they change if they change the facade of that house

you don't know what it's going to look like and we could make something worse and we don't want to make something worse for the neighborhood than what it is on we'll come back with the recommendation from the HOA as to are they going to accept it as it is but add the architectural elements Landscaping covert gutters and making the neighbor happy and I do have one question for you since those windows the permitted windows that you have in the house or did you I mean are those legal um I'm not the Builder so I would have to go into the billing department and ask them if um the size of the windows is something that needs to be revised um I could tell you that the lintel that goes over the windows doesn't change right so I don't believe the height of the window um specifically I think I think you spec window openings and you didn't build what what I saw if that's a if that's a bathroom though they that's normal to have small Windows of power so you don't see anything I'm just saying they did build what they submitted we could also so that's why a vision to reflect that so we're going to continue to win October October 10th is your next Dade City meeting okay I don't know if we uh continues out until October 10th second second okay it's 130 130 yeah and hopefully staff can then give us a proposed with the recommendations in some Alternatives if we need any depending on what the association says okay okay thank you sir all right all in favor say aye aye any opposed okay thank you all very much for adjourning [Music] thank you [Music] [Applause] thank you [Music] County waterways and Wildlife depend on you to keep them healthy excess fertilizer grass clippings trash oils and pet waste wash into gutters and storm drains when it rains stormwater carries these pollutants directly into our lakes and rivers creating an unhealthy environment for fish waterfowl and other Aquatic animals storm drains are meant for clean rain water most other discharges are illegal if you suspect an illicit discharge please contact Pasco County Department of Public Works at 727-834-3611 [Music]

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