08.22.2023 Pasco Board of County Commissioners Meeting (Afternoon Session)

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anyway foreign hearings first item is P57 Senator was it noticed uh yes sir this was advertising Tampa Bay Times August 2nd and August 9th 2023. Commissioners Christina cordone assistant director of parks recreation and natural resources P57 is the re-adoption of ordinance number 22-61 which amends chapter 114 section 41 of the Pasco County code of ordinances creating a minimum wage Zone within the unincorporated area of Pasco County in and around Gulf Island Lagoon okay

so um before you as an ordinance re-adopting um ordinance number 2261 back on December 6 2022 the board adopted the ordinance and it became effective December 9th of 2022 but in order to obtain the necessary FWC permits needed for the Waterway markers we needed to re-advertise and redo our public hearing so we could do two advertisements prior to the public hearing so that is why we're here uh requesting the re-adoption of this ordinance in front of you is a map depicting where the channel markers are slated to be for this project two of them are in the adjacent Channel and two of them are in the entrances on either of the two areas of the Lagoon okay any questions for staff I will say this was brought up by a resident in the Gulf Island Lagoon I will be abstaining from this one even particular conversation any questions for staff Okay so the public hearings anyone here to speak to item p-57 there was no one signed up and on WebEx okay we'll close public comment back to the board well well I would move approval and I I'm jealous because I'm trying to get this on the south channel in uh Gulf Harbors and we're very far behind this but we'd like to uh protect some of the wildlife that's there that I see head get hit all the time so I move approval a second yeah district one commissioner Oakley aye District Two commissioner Wakeman aye District three commissioner Starkey aye District 4 commissioner Bradford all right District Five chairman Mariano I've seen as it does said before uh item p58 do we have proof yes sir advertise Tampa Bay Times July 5th 2023 and by Affidavit of certified mailings and site postings good afternoon Mr chairman uh McDonald's Pito is playing a development department item p-58 is an ordinance inventing the Paso County comprehensive plan providing for a small skill comprehensive plan Amendment to the Future Landings map 2-15 and Sheet 17 from res 6 residential six dwell units per gross acre to Res 24 residential 24 12 units per gross acre and approximately 17.87 Acres of real property located north of Anclote Boulevard and east of Sweetbriar Drive and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for repeated observability in an effective date and we have staff to make the presentation for you okay and it was requested that we hear these items separate so I'm going to go with that we'll see how the public comment goes if we need to combine them we can combine them later on good afternoon commissionersilli planning and development and I will be presenting item p58 b56as is actually a small scale comprehensive lineman in the name of cpas229 dominium and clothes and let's start with the project overview so the applique is proposing a small

scale comprehensive line amendment to change the future land use designation from rest 6 to rest 24 and the intent of this increase in density is to allow for the development of 228 multi-family apartment units on approximately 17.87 acres and it is important to mention that this these these units are going to be 100 affordable and this project is supported by Community Development as an affordable housing product also this project is a traditional affordable housing project and um in that it will benefit from ship funds and it is not a local live local X Project the subject site is located north of ankle Boulevard and east of Sweetbriar Drive in Holiday there's a companion rezoning petition in the name of our z7703 the minimum and cloak which will be presented after this and now let's explore the site by looking at the site location the property is located in the West Market area within the urban concentration area as shown on this map in Holiday this is an aerial showing the exact location of the subject site it is actually at 1410 Sweetbriar Drive in Holiday it is also located on a surplus School Board property and the subject site is currently vacant this is an aerial showing the context map or the contacts the local contacts and the existing conditions surrounding the subject site as you can see on this map the subject site is within walking distance from three existing schools we have Paul R Middle School to the West include High School to the Northwest and Gulf View Elementary School is to the Southwest the subject site about holiday Lake West neighborhoods of the South Duke Energy property is to the East and holiday Lake estate neighborhood to the east as well Coastal ankle Trail is the west of the subject site and it runs along the west side of Sweetbriar connects to ankle Boulevard and extends to the east as shown on this map the surrounding area is predominantly single family dwellings and schools the proposed projects of multi-family will provide a different housing product to the area and it is compatible with the character of the area and also consistent with the surrounding land uses this is an aerial show in the access to the subject site which will be through Sweetbriar Drive and there is a um proposed emergency access to the East and I'll let the applicant um further explain that the existing zoning on the subject site is an expired mpud AC to the north and east and R4 to the South there's also mpud to the West this is a map showing the existing future land use of res six on the subject site rest6 is also to the north to the West and to the east and resonance to the South as well as the Far East and this is a map showing the proposed

future land use of res 24. rest 24 is actually a compatible land use to the surrounding uses and um these this compatibility is of course conditioned with sufficient landscape buffers and sufficient building setbacks Planning and Development found the proposed amendment to be consistent with the following comprehensive plan policies res 24. policy flew 8.1.1 West Market area establishment so the vision of the West Market area is to provide good quality affordable housing and disperse them within neighborhoods that have easy access to public facilities the proposed project is an opportunity to provide attainable and much needed affordable housing to the area it is also located in an area where there is sufficient infrastructure public facilities and existing facilities or existing Public Services policy flu 9.1.7 urban service area as I mentioned earlier the project site is located within the urban concentration area this area was intended for more dense and intense development and also this area already has sufficient infrastructure to accommodate um develop development ready sites so it is more cost effective for the county to direct high density development to area where there's in existing infrastructure 1.4.3 transitional land use and policy policy hsg-112 comprehensive plan amendments in conclusion Planning and Development recommends the boards to find the proposed and then make consistent with the comprehensive plan and adopts by roll call vote any questions for staff this is a public hearing is anyone here to speak to item p58 yes sir we have three signed up that will work Barbara wilheit 6327 Grand Boulevard New Port Richey Florida 34652 I'm going to introduce my client Contessa Archer from dominium worked here a long time and uh his client has it all we're very very lucky to have them wanting to do a project in Pasco they're both the developer and the operator of this project and I'm going to turn it over to Contessa thanks Barbara commissioner it's nice to see you all again my name is katessa Archer I'm a senior Development Associate with dominium representing this fantastic affordable housing project that were incredibly exciting excited to bring to Pasco County through a partnership not only with the county but also with the school district that's that's been in place for just over a year so as Hyatt shared our project is located right behind the Anclote middle school or the Paul R Smith Middle School and the Anclote High School off of right off of State Road 19. specifically this project originated out of conversations with Commissioners and folks within the community about upcoming opportunities of where affordable housing is most

needed within the community boundaries so we have been working with the Commissioners for quite some time looking at multiple different sites within the market and just happened to to be able to be introduced to the school district as an opportunity to utilize Surplus land that was available that had previously been under contract multiple times and wasn't successful for an overall development and we came in and were able to propose some much needed affordable housing um so one thing that Hyatt pointed out but I'll just go quickly through our proposal we are proposing a 228 unit multi-family project that will be a hundred percent affordable for folks who earn at or below 60 of Ami um specifically dominium and us as a company we are not only a developer and owner of affordable housing we also operate our developments um so one thing I really like to to stress as a part of these conversations are we are we understand the reputation you know surrounding affordable housing and we understand the reputation of ourselves in relation to the type of housing that we provide but the best way to see how our projects really exist and coexist over the term of the project is is over the 15 to 30 years that we own it so I'm just very proud to to say that and share that because I think that's that's a much different way of approaching development a much different way that development has been approached in Pasco County and just something that we we really like to stress up front um so specifically within our proposal we're looking at a two three and four bedroom project this will be a three-story walk-up project so there won't be any elevators we don't have elevators in in these types of products it really helps us to save money on the development side in addition to we generally only have elevators in our senior projects in addition this will be a family orientated Community obviously with its um its location with all the schools and the current neighborhood we thought that that was most appropriate use from a designation perspective and like I said this deal will be a hundred percent affordable so as Hyatt shared I just want to call out as a part of the transitional land use that was approved as a part of Pasco County's comprehensive plan going from res 9 which is the neighbors to our South and the surrounding uses up to Res 24 is a amenable transitional use that has has been in place for quite some time so as a part of our development we did do significant Outreach to communities surrounding our site specifically in addition to conversations with both the Commissioners County staff and other members within the community I like to start with our original site plan because I think it's a good representation of how that Community process was successful in creating a better project for for all stakeholders as a part of this and so as you can see on the site our buildings are varied we

had originally proposed projects that let me see here there we go you can see these buildings immediately closest to our neighbors to the South were set back originally around 15 feet at this time the site plan we didn't have any proposed significant landscape buffers outside of what was originally required as a part of the county code and really what this and what this site plan was trying to accommodate was not creating you know incredibly long lines of parking which we consider to be a a burden on our residents as they get in and out of our our projects in addition at the time we did discover through significant due diligence on the project that there was over 10 acres of wetlands on the project which are significantly hard to mitigate and work through that process and try to design you know a site plan that can work can fit the units that we need in order to make the economics make sense on the project and really was just trying to accommodate that so that we can manage the wetlands manage the setbacks and stick within our targeted size of the project so from multiple conversations with neighbors specifically to the South down here we changed our site plan to be better representative of accommodating privacy that was the largest concern for the folks that we discussed this with um I think it's frozen oh there we go sorry apologies um so as you can see we did shift buildings further north on our site away from those residents which accommodated a 30-foot setback here originally was 15 and then a 90 foot setback here for these buildings closest to those residences and then this building is set back over 50 feet in addition as we work through some of the renderings on the project that you guys will see we did add a significant 15-foot landscape buffer to that southern half of the property in addition to pushing our access and our attention to the northern northern part of the site specifically to help with flooding concerns and also to limit the amount of traffic that is entering through the neighborhoods themselves as Hyatt shared we have access off a Sweet Briar for both in and out of our project in addition to the emergency access which is not fully contemplated yet because we're having to negotiate with three or four different landowners to get there but the emergency access is going to be proposed to also be north of our project connecting into Atlantis Drive which will strictly be for emergency vehicles so as a part of that community outreach we had multiple meetings with a majority of the HOAs in this area in addition to that we hosted neighborhood drop-ins where I was down here multiple days both during the week and on the weekend to hear resident concerns surrounding this project educate them on what affordable housing means and why it's important that this type of housing be brought to the county in addition to just hearing kind of differing viewpoints on on what other issues that they're experiencing

within their neighborhood and how our project may may or may not contribute to helping those so these are just some additional renderings of the project as you can see these renderings do a fantastic job of highlighting the 15-foot landscape buffer um there we go as you can see here in addition we will have a total of seven residential buildings on this site with a fully functioning Clubhouse our goal with affordable housing is when you look at one of our projects you would not know that it is affordable housing so we have within the clubhouse itself all the amenities including a fitness area a fully functioning pool playgrounds in addition to Green Space and then around the site itself we also are making the retentionary area active for residents to be able to walk and enjoy their community in addition to seeing really nice kind of landscape architectural Concepts throughout the entire project you know hopefully as as residents are walking their children to school so again just highlighting the landscape buffer that we worked through with the county and staff and specifically one of the major wins as well is this is an additional 15 foot of lands landscape buffer that originally we did not have contemplated as a part of our proposal this is on School District land and we'll be entering into an easement agreement with them to allow us to construct that additional landscape buffer to further provide privacy to the the furthest resident to our South so again just some architectural elements to highlight these are three-story walk-up buildings we will have a fully functioning Clubhouse in addition to the 15-foot landscape buffer and the the buildings themselves are our sloping roofs with stucco siding and stone accents and overall the height of the project will be around 47 feet and just some additional renderings for context that's at the front of our clubhouse that you'll see immediately entering our site off a Sweetbriar and then that's a more zoomed in View kind of of the the fully amenitized space that I was discussing these are just some examples of the quality of the product that we build inclusive of both interior and exterior product examples these are our clubhouse areas in addition to our playgrounds and outdoor Pavilion areas like I said we have a fitness center and some projects have a yoga and cycling studio in addition to some we're missing the interior photo but we originally had interior photos in there um but moving towards dominion and kind of talking about the affordability piece one of the most important parts of our presentations to County Commissioners is educating surrounding why affordable housing is important and why this project you know is is really a great use of resources like we stated earlier this project will be a hundred percent

affordable oftentimes affordable housing projects come through for approval that only have small segments of affordable housing within them which is fantastic but we really believe in the tried and true model of 100 affordability the affordability terms on this project meaning the project will be rent and income restricted for a total of 30 years and that's as a result of receiving a ship allocation on this project but 30 years is also the required extended use period under any affordable housing project that receives Federal high-tech or federal state federal tax credits um in addition I just want to call out because lots of the conversations that we're having um you know with Commissioners around the state especially since uh live local was passed is kind of is this project utilizing live local and this project is not um unfortunately for the 60 of set-asides that is not included as a part of the the kind of real estate tax abatement benefits to a project throughout throughout the the state specifically and So currently those are only servicing 80 to 120 percent of Ami projects and again our project is only 60 so this project will pay full um real estate taxes to obviously both the county and the state for the the 15-year the initial 15 years of compliance period and obviously is also following the standard entitlements process which is why you're having to listen to me today which is fantastic um but I will say that obviously the live local act did create a larger amount of ship funding that came from the state for purposes of affordable housing development our project has applied for those but that is also a normal function a normal functioning use or resource that is used within the multi-family space that can't be used for other projects in addition to a sales tax rebate that is coming from the state of Florida as well so just to talk about those incomes and what our rents are going to be on this project if we were to build the project today our incomes that we would be serving would be between 41 000 up to sixty thousand dollars for our residents and then their corresponding rents for those units would be between 860 dollars to just over a thousand and I want to stress that our our residents have to have an income in order to qualify and live at our projects so oftentimes Workforce housing is used as a as a term to help coin affordable housing I know that term can get lost in translation with specifically who we're serving but specifically on our deals you know residents have to prove that they can make two times the rent in their and in their monthly income in order to live at our projects in addition as you can see we've provided estimates based on Ami growth in the county which in my opinion will be conservative but I can't tell the future um to just show by the time the project is built in 2026 what are those corresponding incomes and what are those

rents that we'll be serving so specifically in 2026 we'd anticipate that our residents would be making between 55 000 up to eighty thousand and paying rent between 990 dollars up to around 1285. so lastly just in regards to live local and and providing context and education educating around this bill specifically in this part of of Pasco County which we did an analysis on for five comparable market rate projects our project is set aside at 60 percent of Ami so like I shared previously our rent will be around eleven hundred dollars for a project to qualify for live local benefits it would have to be set aside between 80 to 120 percent of Ami and those rents correspond to around fifteen hundred dollars to nineteen hundred dollars and from our analysis internally and and we look at comps all the time within Pasco County the market rate rent for this specific area would be around 1691 and so as you can see when looking at kind of live local regulations and where our project is specifically set aside not only is the is the county getting a affordable project for 30 years which is fantastic you can also see if there's a significant rent advantage to the rents that we're providing as a part of this project so we see that as a huge huge benefit to both the residents obviously but also as a resource for the county moving forward so I'm happy to answer any questions I'm also happy to respond to any comments from the audience but just really appreciate everyone's focus on this deal and and concerns surrounding affordable housing in Pasco County okay thank you any questions uh yes so welcome again and I'm so glad that we have a company like dominium here working on this project you know I'm part of the ahac the affordable housing advisory Council I think that's I'm appointed to that and one of the charges that we have and there's eight every every every county in the state has to have an a-haq or and I think some of them are combined but you know as you know the goal of the state is to get more affordable housing built and um one of the best ways they said to accommodate this is is to look for Surplus land so that's what we did and that's how we found this piece of property and I'm really grateful to the school district for participating in this project with us I wanted to um to have you discuss the income they did a lot of work with the school district to show um who these clients hopefully will be and you know when I was talking with the school district about this project I said listen if you guys feel politically maybe we need to make it age-restricted you know what we'd be okay with that and they said we have four schools in that area and it's our hope that our employees we have to live here and walk to work and that could serve us you know I mean three High three schools right here and one you know a mile away on Gulf Trace

Boulevard so um it it's an amazing salary um schedule that you did here I don't know if you want to touch on it briefly or yeah absolutely and I don't know if we can show it on the screen specifically but um I can tell you guys a bit about the exercise we did so because we are working closely with the school district on this project obviously housing School District employees has been a big piece of the conversation and one of the things that happened this year that sort of brought this up and made us look at it more closely was obviously there was a referendum passed and I think I believe to pay teachers at least fifty two thousand dollars and according to the incomes that I provided you guys today the teachers would be you know outside of that realm of of qualifying for our projects and so an ask from one of the Commissioners was to really dig into who is going to be living here as a part of School District employees and how do we ensure that that we can do that and so we worked with the school district's HR department to put together essentially a schedule of all of the schools surrounding this project which is Paul R Smith Middle School Anclote high school and Gulfside Elementary School to look at all of the the types of workers that are working there and and who could qualify to live here and as a part of our analysis assuming that the project would be built in 2026 there's a significant amount of teachers especially first-year teachers who would qualify to live here and I want to point that out because once someone qualifies to live at one of our affordable housing projects they if their income exceeds our income limits as they continue to live and reside here we do not kick them out for that that would be completely opposite of the type of program that we're trying to operate as a part of these properties and so through this exercise I was incredibly excited and Incredibly excited to share with commissioner Starkey that really those first-year teachers are going to have an opportunity to live here they qualify to live here they're in their projected income so qualify to live here and as a result you know hopefully would be able to stabilize their housing housing costs in order to move on to home ownership on standard within the Dominion portfolio we own a significant amount of units and looking at our resident base our our residents are generally at our projects from four to five years with one of the top reasons that they leave our projects is to go buy a home and that's this program working well so that's really the exercise that we did and obviously outside of teachers there's custodians there's um you know instructors assistants there's a whole list of people on here that will qualify to limit our project as a result of of if it's approved so that's the exercise and I'm happy to answer any other questions on that we also they also analyzed County staff and you know our firefighters our utilities department workers so many

people will that work for us and and our First Responders that are helping the public will be able to live here and and what that last point that she said is really important and and I hadn't thought about that until she said it in our meeting yesterday was that being able to to live here and pay a rent of eleven hundred dollars a month as your income grows they can put more money aside to be able to go buy you know put a down payment on a home and that's what they do they incubate future home buyers yeah I'm glad you brought this project to us I um fully aware of it and I I appreciate I actually am looking in the process of looking for sites over in district one uh we need more projects like this because there's 40 percent of our citizens that need this kind of project there's 40 percent of our employees work for the county I also need this kind of project so it's one that we've been looking for a long time and I think it fits the bill for what we want for our citizens here in the county so it'll serve them very well and very well built project the way it looks so you cannot tell the difference between this and a Class A apartment complex really um did you show the Interiors I know they're they're marble you know granite countertops and wood cabinets and yeah I think it accidentally got deleted out of the presentation but um we could pull it up but you could I mean you can speak the exterior matches the interior so our interior of our units our fully functioning bedrooms washer dryer hookups lvp flooring granite countertops stainless steel appliances really the full Gambit of a natural apartment is going to be included as a part of our projects and the way that we make that work is is obviously through the use of those federal tax credits which allow us to influx you know upfront capital on these projects to really focus on the quality of them and ensure that that quality is maintained you know over the 15 years the first 15 years of the affordability period which at the end of those 15 years we're able to then reinvest in the project which we essentially you know dominium does that quite a bit throughout our portfolio I would say we're spending around the Forty thousand to forty five thousand dollar per unit range at that point to further elongate that the the asset life of of this project could you go back a couple slides we talk about the property tax exemption she said she doesn't have one I know but I understand what that's based on so you're you're fifth bullet it says Dominion is not able to utilize the property tax exemption I know you're not utilizing the entitlement part of Senate Bill wanted to but what is your statement that you're not able to utilize the property tax exemption based on because I have the law up

yep hey don't tell her well I want to make sure that you're you're if we're getting accurate facts to the board I don't care whether I mean she could always redo condition that she's not going to do it but I I'm just the law I'm reading it says that if it's up to 80 percent it's a hundred percent tax exempt 80 to 120 is 75 tax exempt I'm not reading the law to mean that you aren't able what is that based on as myth so the up to 60 set aside for the project I believe is if it has a non-profit designation on it the six we're a for-profit owner and so at sixty percent of Ami we were left out of any type of property tax exemption as a part of this bill with the exception of senior projects at this time there's a different statute that's in place for sixty percent of set-asides if the project was designated to seniors that would qualify for um the tax exemption here and you do have a senior project um we do have a senior project it's in uh down it's in the jurisdiction of downtown Newport Richie it's not my ideal specifically um but that deal is is going to be exempt but that's not this deal specifically but again that legislation was passed in 2018. it's by Gulf Harbor so I while we're listening to public comment if you and Barbara could just look at um it's 196.1978 3 D2 yep we can do that we have you know quite a bit of folks this was a big Miss for us as a part of the industry to be honest and so we can pull the information I'm happy in the meantime to get that but the this project specifically is underwritten with full taxes on it I think it's just over 360 000 that we're underwriting as a part of the project and then I know from the legislation itself that we would not qualify as of today so I can go back and do that you know when the project comes back I'm only bringing it up because if there is a possibility that you're eligible for it and you're but you're committing to the board that you're not going to use it we might need to add a condition to the MPD that that contains that commitment so I just want to hear maybe you and Barbara can look or you're listening to public comment at that section and just make sure explain to me why you're not eligible for because I'm not it's not clear to me from the law okay we will do that okay I'll just add one thing as far as when I look at the school capacity Gulf sizes 72 with this development Paul Smith will go to 77 with this development and enclosed Highs at 73 so it actually I think helps the schools a bit too absolutely and those those kids I love what you haven't shown it yet but we'll get to the next phase where you show that kids can walk to school with the improvements you're going to make too so I think it's going to be a nice

piece that will be added yeah and those uh um if I could add those schools opened up as Title One schools then Chris Chris is here I remember I was on the board when we did um a couple of those schools and um uh what else was I gonna say oh and I don't believe they are full so um you know am skills is running the uh Academy at Engel high school so I'm out there frequently but those schools have a lot of capacity very good okay thank you so we'll go to public comment and we can come back to David with this question and be great great time so in public comment who do we have signed up all right so we have three individuals sign up for p58 so when I call your name please line up in this order Jay Bartels followed by Grace Elmore followed by Susan Conrad um please give your name and address for the record when you approach the podium thank you something good afternoon Jay Bartels 3830 Redwood Drive Holiday Florida 34691 originally I had signed up to speak on just this uh just this topic however I wish to make my comment a little more General than originally planned after reviewing the agenda and seeing just how many apartment complexes are on today's agenda so maybe we're looking at those these words will be kept in mind as well all across Florida more apartment structures have been going up with each apartment structure comes more restaurants more parking and of course worst of all more people our neighboring County Pinellas should have been our example of what not to do rather than what to do from 2016 to 2022 a number of a common apartment complexes were completed throughout Pinellas County with these apartments ranging from 200 units up to 400 units per complex came droves of people moving to the area a large number of these people from out of state we've all seen the numbers of people that have relocated from New York and California Florida being the highest population Spike of any of the 50 states part of the reason for this being that we create more apartment complexes for them to move to let's take a look uh taking account the average apartment complex with 250 units with the average household in Florida owning two cars 250 units means 500 more cars added to the area outside the space to require depart these 500 cars comes room for visitors the complex itself and 500 more cars would have to be supported on our roads roads that are far overdue for maintenance as it is in Pasco County many of the roads in the area are torn up with many potholes some people in circles have referred to this as Swiss County putting more vehicles on the road is only going to make this issue worse in regards to this agenda Topic in particular the roads in that area are already overcrowded from that area on 19

moving to alternate 19 you are guaranteed to catch every light in the area during rush hour because that is just how far traffic backs up using Pinellas as our example again the more apartment complexes that went up the more people that move to the area more time it took to get putting many people on the road increased drive time to school work etc there's another effect to multiple apartment complexes going up as severe costs of people already living in the area price increases whether it be groceries gas rent prices will be going up Ami also goes up in 2022 my wife and I were forced to relocate from our house in St Petersburg because of the sharp increases that were happening in the area in Pinellas County where housing used to be affordable for a two income household it became unavailable to most average families Apartments went from a thousand a month for a 2-1 to no less than 1700 a month a drastic increase as Apartments go up and people moved into an area the area itself will also see non-stop development until it meets the needs of its new population New shops new restaurants new hotels for visitors of the populace gone as The Greenery gone as a scenery gone is the peace and quiet and all we are left with is another New York or California style City that will be built up until it becomes unaffordable and unsustainable can you close your comments please yes my apologies um I wanted to be clear that I am for affordable housing but rather than tearing down more land I would like to see area that have been abandoned or buildings are running decrepit to be tearing down rather than tearing down more Greenery to put these up thank you for your time thank you hello my name is Grace Elmore I also live at 3830 Redwood Drive Holiday Florida 34691 as my husband said we moved to Pasco County out of necessity not necessarily out of Desire when our rent went from a thousand dollars to 1700 in the course of two years not not five not ten two and when we checked for other housing I would like to know where Dominion found housing for a 2-2 for 1600 because two year a year and a half ago that was two thousand dollars or more we checked in both counties we we called everyone and that that was not available and I see that you've got four more apartment complexes in addition to this one and it's it's not sustainable for the residents also and as he said the parking that's not enough parking those roads are not big enough they're they're two maybe four lanes but Alt 19 and Anclote are about two lanes and it's not going to handle that traffic um it it deteriorates the quality of life for the citizens instead of building more and more apartments and shoving more people into the space why not build affordable houses single unit houses that people can be proud of instead of more temporary residences to shove in more people and

get as much property tax as you can that's what Pinellas County did and it ruined the county we were forced to leave I lived in Pinellas County the majority of my life it's no longer affordable I just assume I could never live in Pinellas County again because two hard-working full-time people cannot afford it and that is what will happen in Pasco if you keep building all these apartments low income housing is great affordable housing is great but there's got to be an answer besides apartment complexes I think that's all I had all right thank you Susan Conrad my address is 2044 Barracuda Court Holiday Florida I'm here representing our homeowners association which is the Gulf Winds Community which is immediately to the west of the elementary school and the back of our community is where um the proposed complex will come out onto Sweetbriar sweeper wraps around the back of our community we are mixed we have um Villas and we have single family homes our biggest concern is the traffic all of us leaving our complex have to go through the traffic light at Sweetbriar in Anclote and when people come down Sweetbriar now when they come up to that light the weight of their vehicle triggers the light to turn red for anklets so they can come out with so much more traffic um that needs to be reevaluated so that it becomes a timed light versus a light that is on demand in addition the elementary school is the furthest away from the new property and people already line up an hour before school is out at the elementary school and the line stretches along Anclote wraps around up Sweet Briar and that will just continue I'm not sure on a rainy day that parents are going to be walking their children back and forth to the elementary school so that's a concern as to how the lineup happens and in addition the traffic light that is at Alt 19 and Anclote which I believe is probably a Pinellas County traffic light um but everybody coming up to that light on Aunt cloda's Pasco County for the most part and there's not enough turn lane left turn Lane now so the additional traffic will back up both turn Lanes and when you're coming north to turn onto Anclote from Alt 19 there's no Arrow so I already sit there for at least sometimes one full round of the traffic light because so much traffic's coming down Alt 19 there's no opportunity for me to turn so consideration for these traffic issues I think is critically important as we go forward with this project um and then the last point that I was asked to make is the current ratings of the schools and um

clearly based on the makeup of the multiple bedroom prop in the property they want to attract families but right now the ratings of the schools have impacted people selling especially the single family homes and we would look at ways that Dominion could work with the schools and with the Commissioners to you know improve that rating going forward so it's in a better place when this opens thank you thank you who knows here to speak to this item p-58 anyone on WebEx okay so back to the board so the staff want to address any of the traffic issues or anything else I wanted to say one thing about the traffic and I'm looking at the map and I you know I'm certain we can look at that the timing of that light at Sweetbriar and Ankle but um you know when I'm driving around it happened to me this morning I was coming down Marine Parkway school started and I guess uh I have to learn that at a certain time of day I can't drive down the Marine Parkway because there's a special needs bus apparently and the parents are all walking their children onto the bus and stopping traffic both ways so and I and I knew this going in front of some other schools mini P Locke I I started to learn not to drive down that road at a certain time but in this case there is a grid system here so if if you know that there's going to be a backup at Sweet Bar and Ankle um there are there are other roads you can go around that back up there's Anclote Boulevard turn can go into Anclote Road and you can bypass that however I do believe that the parents at this school or the kids the kids at this complex will be walking walking or riding their bikes to school so there's going to be very minimal addition of cars going to the schools during the school hour so that's that's one of the beauties of this project in my opinion anyone from staff I want to address the traffic concerns that were thrown out well maybe Barbara once foreign for having my laptop I have specific language pulled up but in regards to the traffic this has been a concern out of all of the HOAs that we've had conversations with um specifically this project itself we're anticipating at the am P the AM and PM peak hours that there will be 89 trips for the project specifically with affordable housing and obviously outside of School District employees oftentimes our residents are working shift work and so there's differing times that they're coming in and out of our community that are outside of these really peak hours during during school high school volume times I would say so as a part of those conversations you know we did have a conversation with the HOA about you know adding speed bumps and such to our our road that connects to Sweetbriar however you know we can't we can't take on the full responsibility of changing changing

traffic for an entire area but in addition to that I would say on on our project site as well and in our lease addendums our residents are restricted did at Max depending on their unit size or to two vehicles per unit so that will also continue to mitigate the the proposed traffic or concerns on traffic for this site and then I have the language specifically pulled up that doesn't allow us to take advantage of the the tax exemption sp102 but I'm happy to answer any other questions on traffic prior Mr Whitman sure thank you well I appreciate Mr Goldstein double checking my I wouldn't say my but just checking make sure that we're not vulnerable to live local here I I it's a theme and I appreciate I appreciate what's going on what what you guys are doing in in your business model um you know apartment at the end of the day it's we had this discussion I think commissioner Mariano kind of has a similar similar perspective it's more it's more rental it's affordable rent I guess affordable rental affordable rental for a period of time and I'm a fierce advocate for home ownership and a person's quickest way to generate wealth is if owning a property and generating Equity within that property so I it's just it's just it's just a general statement with as much rental to the gentleman's Point who came in and spoke and there's no commercial component to it not not really a job creating component to it um so I just figured I'd just just make that make that statement uh with with the account that the only real special thing I see this is this it's more affordable for folks to live and they just it's it's another another apartment complex and I hope I hope that folks that live there do are able to save up and and go to the next level in their financial life uh so I hope I hope this model is overall successful for our for our folks I would move approval uh well I need to get an answer to my question yes yeah oh sorry look at me I appreciate those comments and I think there is some synchronous synchronies of of both your wishes and and what we're proposing here and um you know from our perspective too that the project itself is not going to have jobs that are generated out of it from a commercial piece but you know we do anticipate there's 350 to 380 construction jobs that result out of this project since it is a hundred million dollar deal it's it's a large deal there's a lot of opportunity from that perspective in addition to employing three to five Property Management staff full-time throughout the term of the project too

um and then in regards to the the specific exempt or the not exemption I don't want to throw that word out but the specific piece of the legislation the reason our project does not qualify for it is in Section 8 it's Section 8 K which says units subject to an agreement with the corporation pursuant to chapter 420 recorded in the official records of the county in which the property is located to provide housing to Natural persons or families meeting the extremely low income very low income or low income limits specified in section 420.0004 are not eligible for this exemption and that means that because we're entering into a tax credit Lura with the state of Florida who is the essentially the facilitator of these Federal credits at this time with SB 102 we do not qualify for exemption so I agree with you but I'm not sure that your zoning condition says that you are going to enter into an agreement with the Florida Housing Finance Corporation so do you want to add that well we can deal with that at the time of zoning but if that's your position I agree with you but I don't think that your current condition necessarily invokes that cause okay okay so we probably need to look at revising your current zoning condition to make it clear that you are entering into an agreement with or that you will enter into an agreement with the four Housing Finance Corporation under K yeah and that because in the absence of that I think you would comply people you would be eligible under D2 so um so we just need to button that up in the zoning yep understood and that specific carve out of both the bond lore which is currently stated as a part of our coas in addition to the tax credit Laura we would be amenable to okay I think we addressed some of the traffic stuff later on at zoning too okay to the board I would move approval of the this uh what is it p58 p58 yes second okay we'll call vote district one commissioner Oakley all right District Two commissioner Whiteman District 3 commissioner Starkey aye District 4 commissioner Bradford aye District Five chairman Mariano aye item p-59 to have proof bear with me uh Mr commissioner excuse me the Commissioners my name is Ed Zodi and I'm with long range planning and I dropped my presentation so just give me a moment well at least look in the to the board this was the item that came before us before we had looked at it gone through a full presentation I told you I want to meet with the applicant we did look at a few different things they made some modifications that uh made me much happier with what they've brought forward oh Mr chairman again this is an ordinance amending the Pasco County comprehensive plan providing for a comprehensive plan Amendment to the Future land use map map 2-15 sheet 11

from res six residential six dwelling units per gross acre to Res 12 residential 12 dwelling units per gross acre on approximately 34.18 Acres more or less of real property located east of little road south of State Road 52 West of Moon Lake Road and providing for excuse me additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for repealer severability and an effective date [Applause] as you can see this is a small scale comprehensive plan Amendment as I indicated is going from res 6 to Res 12 on approximately 34.18 acres to develop approximately 168 multi-family units there is a corresponding mpud that you'll hear in a moment site location as you can see is located in the Central Market area on the excuse me on east side of the little road and south of State Road 52 West of Moon Lake Road he proposed comprehensive plan amendment is consistent with the following policies the res 12 the policy flew for transitional land uses as well as policy hsg-112 no I think it's appropriate here to mention that when the matter was originally filed it was for a large-scale comprehensive plan Amendment staff met with the applicants and indicated that we would not support that large-scale they have modified it and as you know we are supporting the proposal before you now this is the site location this is the context map as you can see as I said it's south of State Road 52. the existing future land use the proposed future land use and they're very similar so you need to realize that that portion the brown portion to the left and is the subject property this is the zoning it's all mpud the excuse me the site location clue and we ask that you find the proposed amendment consistent with the comprehensive plan and adopt the ordinance by roll call vote I'll be delighted to answer any questions okay so commissioner Oakley as I said this is the night that came before us before I think it used to be in my district so now commissioner practice District but I told you I was going to be with the applicant go over some proposals to change and they made some good changes to ship the property building locations which I found was better so I will be supporting it it is on consent on the zoning amendment that comes up behind us okay commissioner Whiteman I have a question oh we're going to hear it twice today uh it's the other ones on consent so it'll come after the town homes on there are these fee simple if they build Apartments they won't Platinum if they build town houses they will be planted therefore they can be too simple I read it as they're going to retain 48

townhouses not misreading it if they propose converting the single-family product to 120 multi-family units then they plan to retain 48 townhouses for a total of 168 units 168 units are those 48 they're going to retain 48 townhouses are they going to be fee simple 10 houses are they going to be rental I will defer to the developers here okay any other questions for staff that's it I see the applicant coming forward Shelby Fuentes in Tech consulting services so there's 48 units they're kind of acting as Flex units so they can be developed as either apartments or town homes we just needed that a little bit of flexibility there depending on what the market is at the time of development um I may pull the item off consent because they're not flattening they're not we have agreed that as part of the conditions approval that they will be plotted if they are to be built hmm so commissioner we're jumping ahead but if you look at the zoning conditions for this one it's condition number 35 says all townhome products shall be plotted they don't have to put it on there though and if they're not doing if they're not doing Apartments and they're doing town homes they have to be plotted typically multi-family apartments are not they wouldn't be flat in individual units because they're Apartments I'm reading this as a combination thereof well staff or the applicant can explain that I'm looking at the zoning conditions the zoning conditions are pretty clear that it's they have to build either apartments or plotted Townhomes they get nothing else correct in fact condition 32 specifically says multi-family residential residential units are to include apartments or platted Townhomes no other multi-family product types are permitted within this mpud I'm okay to pull this from consent because I did want to see the telephone products that was a compromise would you would the board like to hear the zoning now or wait till we hear it after uh deferred a county attorney my preference would be that if you want you're not comfortable with this that you defer it to the zoning because we haven't sworn anybody in yet I haven't gotten the procedures for presenting yet so we're still under ordinances right now so let's hold on the we'll let's let's hold on this I'll take public comment now for those that are waiting anyway from the public like to speak to this item yeah don't sign up no one on WebEx okay correct all right so I'm going to defer this until after we do the zonings item p60 p60 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times on June 7 2023 and by Affidavit of certified mailings and site postings

item p60 is an ordinance amending the Pasco County Conference of plan providing for small-scale company Supply Amendment to the Future Landing snap at 3-15 and sheets four from res one residential one dwelling and progress secret to com commercial and flexibility 1.3 Acres of real property located on the left side of Shady Hills Road approximately 635 feet south of Bosley drive and providing traditional text amounts as necessary for internal consistency providing for repeal observability and effective date and we have staff here to make a presentation and does board need a presentation no I just have a question chair Okay so is this 1.3 acres is it connected to a larger piece of property Zone commercial I asked that because if it's 1.3 and it ties into a larger piece there's nothing on it then it's subjective to live local no no it's not all right a question is answered okay let me just ask a question anyone here for a public comment for p60 I don't we need a presentation uh is the applicant here [Applause] the board yeah oh okay does the applicant want to say anything ma'am did you want to say anything okay move bro okay do we have a second I'll second okay okay district one commissioner Oakley aye District Two commissioner Weightman aye District three commissioner Starkey aye District 4 commissioner Bradford hi District Five chairman Mariano hi motion survival uh item p-61 advertised in the Tampa Bay Times on June 7 2023 and by Affidavit of certified mailing scan site postings 361 is enrolled in cementing the Paso County comprehensive plan providing for a small scale covers the plan Amendment to the Future Landings map after Dash 15 and Sheet 3 from res 6 to Res 24. residential 24 dwelling units per grocery approximately 19.98 Acres of real property located on the west side of Lake Shore Boulevard and a tax amendment creating Siberia policy flu 7173 bayonet Gardens and a map Amendment to the Future Landings map 2-9 adding sub-area map 2-973 bayonet Gardens and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for repeated or severability in an effective date and we have staff to make the presentation good afternoon Commissioners Robert Irving planning and development oh sorry my apologies there this is a small scale comprehensive plan Amendment from res 6 to Res 24 the purpose for a multi-family development with 50 of those proposed units being affordable on 19.98 Acres this is located on the west side of Lake Shore Boulevard and this will have an accompanying sub area 7.1.73 bayonet Gardens and the attention the intention behind that sub area is to require that 50 that a minimum of 50 of

the proposed units are affordable meaning at or below 120 percent of the area immediate income and if 50 of the proposed units are not affordable supposed to be affordable then this will be subject to the res 12 future land use designation which is what the current zoning would allow I also want to mention that this came with a recommendation of approval from the Planning Commission with a contingency that the proposed sub-area be amended to include an enforcement mechanism which we have coordinated with the county attorney's office and Community Development and we have added that language to the sub-area which will in essence require that for a minimum of a 30-year period they are subject to enforcement mechanisms through the Community Development Department here's the site location this is located within the West Market area the urban Urban concentration area commission District Five and here's a contacts map kind of just providing some overall background as to where this site is and I think it's important to note that 700 feet Northeast of the subject site there's two Transit stops serviced by go Pasco and um I also want to add that the sub area specific specifically has development standards that speak to walkability and connectivity to promote the utilization of these Transit stops and also to allow for the local Workforce to be able to utilize this development and access all the different components of the retail business right to the north I also called out there the 5A Road Trail which currently with project management is going to be going to bidding by the end of this month and after it gets its bid it should be I believe it's 400 and some odd days that it'll be constructed so that's just another component I wanted to mention because the residents of this subject site will be able to utilize that and that's kind of why we have that emphasis emphasis in the development standards of the sub-area and miss carbella on this item here this Trail is this coming up a lot quicker than I was told just a couple of weeks ago yay I would like to sit and look at I would like to sit down with staff take a look at it and see exactly where the road's going to go and what's going to be replaced if anything is but sorry it's just a congested if you only just it's just a continuation of that existing sorry I need to find exactly where it's going to go because it's got some issues out there but okay separate from this sorry um and here's just a location just to provide a little bit more background on the site itself it is within an AE flood zone and within the coastal High Hazard area of the county um there is a category two Wetland and an archaeological site and here's the existing future land use which is res six um one thing that I think is important

to note that about a year ago in August of 2022 you can see directly to the north and Amendment very similar to this to Res 24 was approved here's the proposed future land use which is res 24. and here's the existing zoning to provide a little background on the zoning history of this site in 1978 this was rezoned from AC to PUD to allow for a multi-family development and then it was again rezoned in 2006 to allow for a multi-family townhome Town Home Development with the caveat that was capped at 173 dwelling units and I want to just note that the applicant has gone through a pre-application to rezone to mf3 but has not filed the application at this point the proposed amendment is consistent with the following comprehensive plan policies and with that I also want to note this is not a live local act project in the sense that this is a residential future land use and Zoning in an area envisioned for higher density development because this is within the West Market area and urban service area and there is supporting infrastructure there's two there's County Utilities that the applicant will have to connect to um another thing that I want to speak to is that the West Market area specifically speaks to the significant inventory of affordable housing and this will support that and help promote that vision of the West Market area I think that's especially important considering that in 2021 the Tampa Bay Regional planning Council conducted a study the visually visualizing development strategies for U.S Highway 19 in Pasco County and specifically this parcel in this area was noted as an activity node and the major employer of this area being the HCA Bayonet Point Hospital which is currently forecasted to expand at about roughly 200 employees and this site will serve that surrounding Workforce another important thing I think to note from that study is that of the employees who work in the West Market area approximately 60 to 70 percent of the population is at low or moderate income levels which we'll be able to utilize this development and this comes with the recommendation that you find the proposed amendment consistent with the comprehensive plan and adopt by real call vote available if you have any questions okay I just I'll say that this area here this has been trying to get something happening for a while it's going to take another shot with some extra impetus which is good and I think we've had some homeless issues out there trashes out there and that road if we're going to make some improvements as we're looking forward could be helpful for the area commission waven thank you chair the same Mr Goldson same issue we're looking into at the other affordable housing yeah I was in a project president asked the applicant that question this this is well exciting afternoon yeah so

um I was going to ask the applicant the same question I asked the prior applicant which is what is their intent as it relates to the property tax exemption under live local but I was waiting for I don't think staff's gonna know the answer to that question I was going to ask the output is that what you were going to ask pretty consistent okay any of the question of staff okay in the applicant Sean Smith's uh development manager McDowell housing partners represent the applicant so did you want to say anything before I asked my question uh no commissioner go ahead I'm not a commissioner of the County Attorney office but my question is the same similar questions or I asked the prior applicant which is are you intending to use the property tax exemption under live local uh I mean as of right now uh obviously what we've committed to is up to 120 Ami um again traditionally we specialize in affordable housing similar to the prior applicant however uh if we were to incorporate some level of Workforce housing mixed income we would be eligible for uh the tax exemption uh whether we would utilize it or not I can't speak to because again we're earlier in rfas than the previous developer but I'm not going to lie we would be eligible so you if you were eligible you do intend to use it I'm not saying that I mean I I'm just saying we would be eligible well I agree you would be eligible that's why I'm asking the question whether you intend to use it that's well again at this point attorney I'm not sure we intend to develop up to a 80 to 120 Ami okay let me freeze the question to you differently if you develop 80 to 200 80 to 120 of Ami do you intend to use the property tax exemption I don't know I mean that's that's the answer I mean obviously we would uh speak with the Council or planning and I mean we would make that decision there okay well the board can do with this whatever they want to but it sounds like the applicant is not willing to make a similar commitment to what the prior applicant which is that they would not invoke the property tax exemption so it's a policy decision for the board about whether you want to prove it assuming they would invoke the property tax exemption okay commission women unless you're willing to condition your property to not take advantage of the property's tax exemption because your property and all the folks live there will require services in our County I'm not willing to support your project at a 40 percent discount so

like commitment from you because my next step will make a motion to deny this but I'm not going to do that so we're giving you a chance here of what you're willing to do with the live local Act yeah I mean based on that uh condition commissioner then I think that we would be willing to waive our tax exemption uh in order to move our project down the road and this so you have to be clear you'd be adding it to the sub-area policies because you don't have the zoning before you the other one you have the zoning before you so you can you can modify the zoning conditions the zoning is not before you but this one does have a sub area policy so you could add language to the subway policies saying that the applicant will not invoke the property tax exemption so this is so since this is the first time this has happened since live local relying on you on how we move forward because it would be kind of you kind of got two of the same product here and two different service areas kind of need to be consistent on what we do with them and I also like to see consistency on their both both projects are paying the taxes to fund the services that that they're going to need so I'm not willing to move forward until we have something it sounds like he is willing to commit to agree to a summer language in the summary policy that says he will not invoke the property tax exemption under a low level that we can incorporate that into a motion you can make that part of your motion for approval so okay well I'll make the motion I'm sorry one thing I would and and we are I am happy at this point to to commit to that but one thing I do want to just make clear is the the reason that tax exemption was put in place is because when you commit units to the 80 and 120 Ami you don't get tax credits you don't get any funding for those units so that is the benefit for affordable developers to then go up and offer those Workforce housing units that do benefit slightly higher income individuals again I'm more than fine to waive that but I just want to make sure that we're all on the same page as to why that tax exemption exists our struggle as commission waveman brings out as far as the services go we get time and time again we need the property tax bill to pay for the sheriff for the EMS et cetera and all the other things we try to do so if that means you got to direct you that way I think we're all comfortable with that we just need that tax base coming in so that the people coming in here aren't throwing the burden on everybody else that's already here sure but but if you are going to build some affordable units come talk to us and maybe there's ways we can help sure thank you appreciate it all right so staff has got that very good okay any of the questions for the gentleman take it to public comment

thank you sir thank you there's no one signed up for public I see one hand going up so okay please come forward is there anyone anyone else after this lady to speak to this item p-61 hi I'm Sarah Reep Mackenzie reap and I live at 7504 Cypress knee Drive in Hudson in Lakeside Woodlands I've lived there for approximately you know since the early 90s and I attended the planning and development meeting where this was brought up the first time I did speak and ask them about this company about live local I also asked about the Senate Bill 102 had questions about would there be a 30-year or a 15 year which is why it kind of got shuffled around I asked about buffers I asked because we have a lake there and we're um there's a lot of Wildlife and things like that and I wanted to check on that um I'm not real sure where this is going from what I just heard is this like kind of tabled or or is it going through um because I also asked about um the traffic area because we've got the new 300 000 home place that they just cleared all the land by the library and I'm wondering how that's going to affect the traffic along with if they build as well so I really just don't know where we're at with this and would like some I guess clarification because Lakeshore and Dallas that road is terrible and even if they fix it for the development it comes right out into the Lakeside Woodlands Drive which is going to be directly across from the new housing and the only light on 5A is at Clayton so there's going to be a real traffic problem between where the hospital is and where the Clayton is by Beacon Woods so thank you very much thank you and there's no other public comment from the audience anyone on WebEx okay to the board um you know this area is very dense uh and she says that road is in bad shape so hopefully we're gonna get those Road improvements uh we've had some homeless issues out there as well uh it is a very dense piece of property uh if it's coming in without with paying its taxes I'm definitely comfortable with it and if you can get the extra funding and he's going to go far then I think it could be a good addition to the area possible is right across the street you work at the hospital okay move for approval commission book before so are we with the condition with the condition of the traditional Sunbury policy would be that the applicant will not seek the affordable housing property tax exemption in section 196 Point 1978 Florida statute so that's commissioner starkey's motion yep so motion and I want to make I want to get the gentleman a record while we have more record enough

there's also a condition regarding a voluntarily agreed upon deed restriction regarding the material recovery facility comes through the recommendation of approval with conditions from the planning and development department and the Planning Commission okay is anyone here to speak in opposition of p-69 we'll leave it on consent I'm going to pull p70 as we talked earlier we go to p71 Tampa Bay Times July 5th 2023 p71 is PDD 237724 in the name of Charles P Cass and revocable trust and GTC lllp for a change in zoning from an r1mh single-family mobile home District to a C2 General commercial district with a voluntarily agreed upon deed restriction reserving uses to those uses set forth in C2 also known as the live local act voluntarily agreed upon deed restriction comes through the recommendation of approval from the planning and development department and the Planning Commission anyone here to speak in opposition to p71 I don't see anyone approaching we'll leave it on consent apply item p72 do we have proof Tampa Bay Times July 5th 2023 PDD 23 7667 decubellus and little road and little MPD master plan unit of development little G little Jean D little terry W little Peter a rezoning from a C2 Journal commercial District ER State residential district and an AC agricultural District to an mpud master plan unit development to allow the development of a maximum of 384 multi-family units of 21 000 square feet of commercial retail and approximately 17.99 Acres comes to you with a recommendation of approval with conditions as included in your agenda packet from the planning and development department and the Planning Commission okay anyone is there anyone in the audience to speak against p72 Miss Elmore spoke earlier under p-58 I don't see her she signed up for this one too maybe her comments this one also okay anyone on WebEx there is no one on WebEx okay WP 721 consent chair can we please take up um item p75 I know it's listed as regular but staff has no issues with placing it on consent as there has not been any um objection to p75 okay is there anyone here to speak in opposition to p75 more signed up but she is no longer here anywhere on WebEx the one on WebEx okay so it's appropriately put on consent we'll put on consent uh would you like to have the publication for that one so that was Tampa Bay Times June 7 2023 and it was continued from the August 8th BCC meeting okay those um on p75 I don't have any objection to you moving into consent but I'd like a motion for you to do that in addition I think it's missing the loop standard live local art condition so yes we're going to ask that that be placed on there if you do make a motion to move a consent to consent please add it to the requirement that they had the

live local lock condition do I need the applicant to agreed with ahead of time as well the applicant is verbally told Denise and I that they're okay with it okay but if you want them to get up and state that I'm happy as long as you have it on the record and they're okay with it Mr Hobbies the record reflect that Mr hobby gave a thumbs up and I'll make the motion with the live local language in it yeah PDD 237703 I'm sorry PDD 237590 mental Ranch east mixed use mpud master plan unit Mitchell Ranch partnership limited and Breezeway limited it's a rezoning from C2 General commercial District AC agricultural District to an mpud master plan unit development to allow the development of a maximum of 322 000 square feet of commercial retail 100 000 square feet of medical office 260 senior apartment units and 400 multi-family units and Associated infrastructure on approximately 192.66 Acres again we're asking that you approve it with with conditions and add the condition regarding the live local act again comes to your recommendation of approval with conditions from the planning and development department and the Planning Commission okay so we have a motion to add this to the consent agenda yes sir and then chairman just a comment on this it's it's good to see an opportunity for for senior living we don't see that often enough I think on our agenda so just add that to my in your assignment your emotion included yes my motion includes it accept it with the live local act conditions that County attorney referenced okay second second okay district one commissioner Oakley all right District Two commissioner Weightman District three commissioner Starkey I bet but I actually have a question I have a question can we just looking at the map and Clark wasn't the trail going to go behind the ponds but looking at the map it's not maybe I have it wrong okay now I see you I'm good I okay thank you so sorry for commissioner Bradford all right District Five chairman Mariano hi okay now if you have a motion to approve the consent agenda don't move okay second one district one commissioner Oakley District Two commissioner Weightman District three commissioner Starkey aye District 4 commissioner Bradford hi District Five chairman Mariano aye thank you that'll bring us to p70 The Zone Amendment for Columns of Bear Creek do we have proof we do have proof Tampa Bay Times June 7 2023. 370. sorry and good afternoon this is Orlando I'm with current planning I'll be presenting T70 um columns are very quick MPV substantial modification so the proposal is going to command um the current MP3 um 168 multi-family units and it's

located right now well it's located sorry south of State Road 52 and Ace of leader Road this is going to be the site location of this MPG it's going to be the location map this is going to be the context map decreasing distance around in the area the official land use run in the area and it's going to be the LDC variation requested requested by the applicant um currently the applicant is requesting to DVA from 901.6.3.11 strict design and dedication requirements I'm going to show you real quick the master plan as you can see here excuse me can you use zoom in a little bit more please like so yeah began this requesting this deviation to not interconnected the north side of the mpud all the way to State Road 52 currently it's really hard for the applicant right now to connect to the buyers of the north it's right now it's Health stress unit so there is some space constraint for the applicant to interconnect there and stuff it's unable to run relief of these requests the recommendation of this substantial modification comes with approval with conditions from PDD and Planning Commission all right so we would go back to the previous slide sure do you have a map to where the location of the apartments are going in in this new property into where they are going with the town homes so the hopefully you can see it here it's going to be at the south side of the Korean MPD right over here and that's what the Townhomes are going to be I mean we had a layout on the map in my office with these folks do we have that map sorry we had a layout with the applicant okay but I don't see it here well it's at that point it's going to be just conceptual but they are going to be locating the 168 um units right over here uh of course as was mentioned before um they are going to at least have the option for the town homes we'll wait for the help again yeah so so chairman mayor good hey is there a Google map you can pull up there all the way up to State Road 52. I thought I saw something all the way up to the the Circle K that's on the corner maybe we'll do that when you've got a map in the agenda should be able to pull that up so my point my point to this is when you cross Moon Lake Road see that silk fence is right there on the south side car wash and then a little bit further west it's a storage facility so we're going to have this goes to a bigger Point discussion on this thing okay Car Wash storage facility and a little of the South more multi-family you see the the the the pattern there uh I guess I'm questioning the thoughtfulness of how we're designing and improving these again with this with

this this project and the same with any multi-family I've a huge proponent of home ownership so I want to understand this town home piece versus rental so far I'm we're getting mixed signal it's all rental or all face simple town home product that's a huge difference between rental and home ownership in my mind so I'm hoping to get some clarity here on what what this is what this is going to be so you know it could be all Rental Car Wash storage facility I mean exciting stuff so if we're not careful with what we're doing here so as it was mentioned before and condition I'm 32 um and I'm going to cite it for the record multi-family residential units are to include apartments or plotted Townhomes no other multi-family products types are to be permitted within this MPD so if the applicant decides to um to build the Townhomes they're going to be abiding by the new standards that have been very well discussed lately for town homes the word Smith that well so I think the I think what I'm to restate the concern it didn't sound like you have a concern with the plot of Townhomes your concern is with the multi-family apartment well there's they have a choice there and if if we're approving something and they're asking our opinion I prefer to see home ownership I prefer to see platted individually owned townhome product and more rental in terms of the uh how this is going to be worked I will defer that question then to the applicant they can speak more about how this is going to be working in the future okay see you from the up again thank you chairman yes sir thank you good afternoon again she'll be fine to his stantech consulting services so if you wouldn't mind recap exactly your question so we can best address that for you the you ask us to keep the same number of apartments and now you're asking for town homes and from what we're told by staff they won't have the option to flip back to apartments on the town home product and we're not comfortable with that okay that goes complete against the conversation I think we had in my office as well the part of that we were initially then the original conditions of approval um then it had a maximum of a 270 units and the 222 have already been developed those remaining 48 units are currently as 48 single family town homes or I believe they could also be single-family residents so part of that conversation is where we introduced well these can be town homes and we're just looking for that flexibility there if there's not the market at the time for Town Homes then it would also be suitable for multi-family Apartments yes sir commercial Whitman thank you chair okay come at me now seeing this map

so when we first when this was continued we were all set for having about acre size residential units right single family homes and we compromised with somebody I'm going off memory Hill so somebody correct me if I'm wrong we compromised of having with the project that's going into multi-family in some in some Town Hall product and we went back I think went back to commissioner Mariano y'all talked with him I'm going off memory of that board meeting uh and what you're coming back with is not this board seemingly made a concession by doing you know changing from True single-family home product to what you're seeing here uh and so eroded away the value of your product with what I'm hearing today with the project in its design so um when this item was heard before the board the first time that was for the comprehensive plan Amendment where we were just discussing the comrades of plant Amendment part of that conversation was we were going to circle back with tournament Mariano to review what the site plan would look like and what those units how we transition that into an actual plan so at that moment we had no conception of whether those would be town homes or apartments for clarification let me let me help you clarify the meeting that I had with you guys and it was very clear that I didn't want to see the extra Apartments toward the back part of the property your own gentleman scheduled where we could actually drive around Apartments to the front part and the back part was going to be Town Homes Okay so that's completely different from what I expected to see I I don't want to I don't wanna chair may I um little ladies in the meetings coming forward so she may say something different sorry not that so to this very then this is currently um this is what we had discussed initially was the location of town homes um we have worked out with stuff that those would be the same standards that have been adopted for Town Homes um the additional architectural standards and features that we have discussed um at the time then you were also asking to have them platted the something that we went back with our client and had additional conversation on and he had requested for that additional flexibility okay so we are clearly saying we don't want to give the flexibility per client today then we can just agree Townhomes as plotted units um and we'll be perfectly okay with that well I declare there's already a condition requiring your condoms to be plotted correct are you saying you're giving up do you want to give up the apartment the right to do it yes sir so we would just be eliminating that instead of having phase 2B to have the flexibility between multi-family

apartments and the platted Townhomes we would be agreeable to just limiting that to the platted Townhomes if you still want apartments in correct yes this would still be that um the 120 multi-family Apartments so to 2B so you're saying 2B that's a b itch is in the northeast corner and you and you're agreeing that you'll make those fee simple towns is that what you're committing to uh gentleman back's putting a thumbs up to that so some weekend condition we think somebody would come make a decision you you could condition it you could condition that phase two be limited to part of Townhomes okay I don't think the current conditions require that right now the current conditions only say if they build town homes they have to be planted it does not limit them to doesn't occasionally limit them but you could impose a condition that phase 2B only be part of town oh can there be conditioned to be simple platytown homes if they're planted they're effectively you're ensured that they're going to be home ownership but you can't you can't stop by somebody from renting their home I want to be clear okay you can require them to be plotted yeah so they can be sold off as individual units but you if somebody wants to rent their unit they can't so requirement to require them to be plotted is what you can legally do which there's already that condition in there okay what is not in there is any requirement that to be phase 2B only be Townhomes it sounds like they're willing to agree to that that's what I'm saying okay that would allowed 2A to be either apartments or town homes okay so to add that condition in uh I'd like to hear from the applicant just to confirm that they're willing to do that if I could help here Diane Chadwick with stantec I would point out uh in our meeting with the chairman we did discuss moving the the multi-family buildings a little to the east to get them away from the large Lots which I think you can see that happen you did a great job there thank you I think as a point of clarification we're talking that we're asking for 120 multi-family units and 48 town homes the other alternative is just plain and simple 120 multi-family units not asking to convert and I understand what David's saying that maybe it's not as clear in the conditions of approval that it should be but we're not asking to convert we're willing to agree to not convert the 48 Town Homes to multi-family does that help not really no I I mean I thought you did okay well I guess the question is are you willing to agree that the plan at the using the plan we're looking at Phase 2B

does that only be town homes well the Townhomes have to be plotted anyway yeah and 2A you want to be either apartments or Townhomes is that accurate 120 multi-family apartment buildings okay so so 2A would be Apartments 2B would be plotted Townhomes that's what you're offering yes okay very good these Class A I I have a couple questions all right Mr Starkey um do you have an amenity package here there's an existing apartment complex there of 222 units and that does have a recreation facility we haven't designed one in yet but I would anticipate that there would be an additional recreational amenity on the southern side does this not trigger more requirements for park space it does yeah yeah they will have to comply with our neighborhood parks ordinance okay and um will the town homes be following or new uh rules for the length of driveway and Landscaping and all those yes they've committed to all of the new rules as applicable to town homes okay and the fact that they would be plotted any questions for the applicant okay thank you Ben um I'm trying to remember what your emergency access was or your secondary access was so in discussion with staff then we so this is the only possible access for the property is through 52. so this does have a full loop that goes around and they did say that that would that would satisfy that need for uh dual access and the fire marshal has approved that as well there's no ability to connect to anything around you so above then it has been at point it is we pretty much they're right up at their property lines there's no opportunity to extend there there are significant Wetlands to the South and to the East and same with the below adjacent to like the res one there are significant constraints with the wetlands locations so rural back there yeah just surprising that many units and one in and one out and the other not what we really want but you know the retail in the fronts no storage area which they tried to get and just didn't quite work out maybe it does change later okay very good okay thank you thank you they don't hear from public comments the p70. Okay so take us back to the land use before you've not approved the future Atlantis Amendment yet those p58 correct we deferred 59. sorry a few X's here all right so let's go back to the land use Amendment uh well no public comments on p-70. so let me bring the board back to 59 p-59 I was a land use so we've heard the discussion same Amendment now we've got the clarifications for what's going to go

clear though if you're going to add an additional condition it should be to the zoning not The Landings right so I just needed approval or a motion for p59 I'm I do not remember if we did the advertisement so I'm just going to state record Tampa Bay Times August 13 2023. okay I think we had a discussion on it all right so we approved for p-59 to have a motion no motion how would the motion need to be said this is just the land use part oh the the zoning we can address the concerns about the planet second okay district one commissioner Oakley aye District Two commissioner Weightman District 3 commissioner Starkey a reluctant I with only one entrance District 4 commissioner Bradford hi District Five chairman Mariano okay now p70 Mr County attorney you want to help with the motion maker well I was going to suggest that you approve it with the condition that phase 2B be limited to plotted Townhomes but I'm not seeing I guess I need staff's help I don't see phase 2B geographically depicted on the MPD plan I only see it depicted on the concept plan and so can staff for the Apple can help me out as to what where to be is is it on the impute plan or just on the concept plan excuse me Debbie can you repeat again your question so I think the board is inclined to add a condition that phase 2B limited to plotted Townhomes but I'm not seeing where that is geographically depicted phase 2B on the I just see a phase two on the master plan I don't see a phase 2B unless I'm missing it so David are you asking if the exhibit in the ordinance is illustrating part the 2B partial yeah right my question is because I'm saying this for the benefit of current planning if we impose a condition saying that phase 2B is limited to town homes I'm not sure what anybody would look at to figure out where that is because I when I look at the MPD plan it just has a phase a phase two it just says phase two or it doesn't say anything about a 2B okay so do you want us to refer to the concept the conceptual non-binding yield plan that you have to refer to because that's the only thing I have yeah so it's going to make it a binding plan basically at that point yes okay no okay well the applicant want to help out here put it this whole thing right there the psych plant is the master NPD plan and it does show phase 2A and

2B okay for some reason I don't see that in our materials unless I'm missing it and this is I found it okay all right it is designated okay so the condition of approval would be that MPD phase 2B limited to plotted Townhomes and you're gonna have to go through and modify some of the corresponding texts to also make that clear that phase 2B is limited to flooded Townhomes that would if that's your intent can you name the record please Diane Chadwick stantec thank you okay to have a motion to the board I beat it up enough so I'll make them I'll make a motion I'm just confused here with with our staff I hear concerns from commissioner Starkey obvious concerns from chairman I picked them on some concerns there's obviously some sort of level of disconnect on this one somewhere I mean this is the most discussion we've had on a project like this so I I don't know maybe do a little bit better job on it going forward on projects like this but I'll make a motion and go forward but not overly excited about it also statement but um so that's with the condition with the QB be limited to part of town with the condition motion includes a condition of the county attorney's response and I'll second that with a statement of other projects we've seen have been designated for town homes and then residents from other places not necessarily um multi-family but residential relations then they had Town Homes along with the project but they were described and and where they were going to be located and that type thing before this one doesn't seem to have that and it didn't in a like I said when I had pulled it and I appreciate the board letting me get to continue to this matter to address it they did a great job sitting down drawing the diagrams how it could work so that that phase 2B is the town homes are much less a problem for the people that live in the back there that didn't weren't here to complain but at least it I think it shows the right design yeah so I agree all right call the rule okay district one commissioner Oakley all right District Two commissioner Weightman District 3 commissioner Starkey aye District 4 commissioner Bradford hi District Five chairman Mariano hi okay thank you uh item p-73 do we have proof uh Tampa Bay Times June 25th and July 2nd 2023 good afternoon Nicholas slaf is from Real Property sorry for jumping ahead earlier to uh present items 73 petition to bank a portion of plotted drainage easement for 7515 Laurel Oak Court poor Richie Douglas Jones and Amanda Jones no funding required

the real property team has received the petition to vacate a portion of the plotted drainage easement filed by Douglas Jones who resides at 7515 Laurel Oak Court in Port Richey excuse me can I hear the next slide please the purpose of the vacation is to allow the petitioners to remodel the existing swimming pool and surrounding deck the petitioner received a letter from Southwest Florida Water Management District with no objections and no environmental resource permit required that's the location map next slide there were no objections to this petition and the real property team recommends approval any questions for staff this is a public hearing anyone here to speak to item p-73 so sign up under p73 you don't need to speak if you don't want to all right anyone else anyone else to speak to item p73 in the audience anyone on WebEx second okay district one commissioner Oakley all right District Two commissioner Weightman District three commissioner Starkey aye District Four commissioner Bradford District 5 chairman Mariano hi item p-74 thank you sir advertising Tampa Bay Times July 16 2023 good afternoon Bob Gordon Pasco County budget director on August the 8th Pasco County Sheriff's Office received a federal Justice assistance grant to the tune of about 134 thousand dollars a requirement of that Grant is that to be a public hearing to receive public comment on the potential uses of that Grant with that I'd like to ask the chair to open up the public comment okay time for public comment for p74 is anyone here to speak to this item signed up and and there's no one on WebEx close public comment s to the board thank you move approval second district one commissioner Oakley aye District Two commissioner Weightman District 3 commissioner Starkey aye District 4 commissioner Bradford all right District Five chairman Mariano hi item p-75 advertising Tampa Bay Times June 7 2020. we've already taken care of 75. you mean 76.76 okay advertising the Tampa Bay Times June 7 2012. I lost a piece of paper here hahaha good afternoon William Vermilion planning and development fortunately for us my colleagues did a pretty great job going over this one so I will run through it kind of quickly and touch on some things that maybe they didn't cover to avoid some redundancies everybody's already familiar with the location um so this was the site of the old bluffsick at a Gulfside impudy that was approved in 1997. of course the uh the overall location area and contacts map showing the schools as well as the trail and the

Duke Energy easement zoning can you go one second before I'm sorry sorry tell me to slow down at any time I think that that is our easement to the east of the Duke yes so directly to the east of the Duke Energy Duke Energy uh property there's the Pasco facilities property and then further to the east of that is the vertical Bridge property that is a platted lot within the holiday Lakes Estates neighborhood that they use to access that cell tower to the north so that's a great opportunity for a trail one day off-road Trail just a a non-paved trail okay this is the zoning map as well as the future land use so the applicant does have two variations from the Land Development code with this project one from 9016 d11 Street design and dedication the other from 805.6 restrictions on Wetland post-development Wetland and Upland buffers so the staff analysis for both of these uh sections we kind of just covered for 901 6011 so there's an existing Wetland mitigation area on the Eastern portion of the property that abuts the Duke easement as well as that platted lot that vertical Bridge owns that does prevent a fully functional access to the east there's that existing neighborhood to the South that's already platted that prevents the connection to the South and from 805.6 this is a multi-family project and this variation from the code is to allow this to not be plotted and to be under common ownership the developer may enter into a reciprocal easement maintenance agreement in the form acceptable to the county this is the master plan and this is the zoomed in version of the master plan you can see The Pedestrian connection to the South there's an existing five foot sidewalk that will connect this project to the school that's immediately to the west and to the North and the conditions of approval there's an eight foot path that's going in alongside the access way that will allow the citizens that live in this community to access the Anclote Trail which is on the west side of Sweetbriar Drive this is the potential emergency access that the client or the applicant is exploring uh with Duke to see if it's possible to have an emergency access of course that's all subject to Duke convertible Bridge agreeing with this and they're exploring that at the time of PSP or PDP this is a contingency of the Planning Commission it was to fully lay out what the additional enhancements to the buffering needed to be as shown on the master plan you can see here that it's shade trees every 30 feet with palm trees a six foot opaque wall and a continuous row of hedges and it is noted that that buffer like was said by Contessa from dominium doesn't extend an additional 15 feet onto the school's existing property just

to buffer that last lot through an easement with the school a couple other things that uh that weren't uh talked about in the other two presentations uh this project is um going to comply with LDC section 1103 uh hurricane hazards uh they have uh they're required to submit a site-specific evacuation plan to the office of emergency management due to their proximity to the coast and the coastal High Hazard area they are also going to be paying into the hurricane preparedness mitigation fees pursuant to LDC 1307.2 with that that comes to you with a recommendation of approval with conditions from the Planning Commission and PDD that also encompasses the condition that you guys talked about with the comprehensive plan Amendment I think we probably need to talk about the wording of that but oh you said while you're talking about the plan yes okay does anybody have any questions for me any questions for Steph no I'm going to show you something when Barbara's done okay Barbara Wilhite 6327 Grand Boulevard for the applicant it's one of the better presentations I've seen both of both of your staff people on both of those items so well done and working with them they really did a nice job and David and you know to get to this point I can't tell you how much work it is to get these conditions together and everybody works together and I I just want to take that opportunity because I only have a presentation at this point um but I wanted to say that to staff because really great to work with and those are very good presentations yes we did meet with the Emergency Management already Andrew fossa I called him and said hey I want to meet with you and he called me back and said why never had anybody asked to meet with him and give him an emergency management plan excuse me emergency evacuation plan before he ever even asked for one so they already have one that they're reviewing and they want to use it as a sample for everybody else so just wanted to tell that story publicly because it's uh he was happy to meet with us it was a good collaboration with regard to the language David we worked back here for about a half an hour with language it's we're going to need to work with you offline because it leaves two options the option I'd like is that if you would so want to move this forward for approval be subject to working out the additional language to condition 36a with the county attorney's office um it's just a pro programmatic thing about when we do this agreement with well I guess I was going to try to simplify a barber because my only concern with relying on K is I don't know what the legislature is going to do or not do with k would your client agree to just a simple statement that the applicant developer shall not apply for the affordable

housing property tax exemption in section 196 Point 1978 Florida Statutes similar to what we did with the other project because if you agree to that then we don't have to worry about timing of agreements or anything else it's just you won't apply for the property tax exemption regardless of what future steps stand by okay while she's doing that um could you put up Google Maps of that area Denise did you get my email s um I'm gonna ask before we take a five minute break okay you've got to go I've got to go so yeah right in a second right now okay they can't think is going on today apparently I'm made of something different material work thank you [Music] thank you foreign [Music] foreign [Music]

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so despite my efforts to Channel A competent affordable housing attorney I'm not on that side of it so we need to continue if we could so that we can work with the county attorney's office to get the language right okay but I think Barbara and her client understand the board's intent it just they don't want to mess things up with the way it's worded so but the board has been very clear that you don't want them to utilize property tax exemption they've committed they're not going to use the property tax exemption they've got to make sure they get the language can we put it if they do want to and take that approach that it comes back to the board well I'm not sure if they want to come back to the world I'm sure they don't we're fine we're so I mean if we just put that condition in it's good it's going to be yeah if you put the conditions saying they won't do it then they would have to come back to the board to get the conditions removed so that's implicit if you in condition it saying they won't do it they'll have to come back to you to do it to use the property tax assumption that being said I'm not sure their issue is not utilizing the proper drug exemption because they already did a PowerPoint saying they're not going to use it right I just think they want to make sure it's worded properly so that maybe I think they may be worried about recruiting themselves from other funding sources I'm not sure what the concern is you just don't have the people here but if the applicant's asking for continuance I support it because I don't want them to mess up their own project well you want to continue it we want to continue yeah we'll continue to what two weeks why isn't that an easy sentence to crack no it's really not wait I've been trying I offered an easy sentence but apparently it's too easy for them so I yeah they have lawyers that specialize in this stuff and they just you know want to make sure that they do it not me okay is two weeks okay two weeks is fine okay what's the next board meeting the 5th of September I believe in Dade City in Dade City I'm okay with the Dade City just because we've gone through the whole dialogue with it and we're well you can call you've been closed you can close the public hearing okay if you want to that way you're not conducting a republican yeah when you do that then you won't okay there's no public hearing you're okay doing that so before we continue it then uh anything else you want to add no all right commissioner starter do you want to add something else no I just would rather oh yeah I did okay can you show that map sorry uh Google Google maps of this location I just want to uh something as we talk about adding traffic onto the roads another way to

relieve traffic and there there's a couple problems out in this neighborhood and some previous boards did some things which I would never agree to today um okay I need them the other View satellite view and then I'm going to ask you to zoom out just a little bit no but don't go north go go the other way no the other way okay I want to add what I'd like you to add is the holiday Rec Center which is to the north still a little to the north okay you see it up there the Ben Harrell recreational complex if you look where where this land is going to be where this development is going to be and and I told you about this easement that's going that the county owns and you can maybe zoom in on that easement along so so there's a Duke Corridor okay come a little South now all right so there's a due quarter running along here and then it keep going moving south there's the park and you see this road that's coming down here from the park it's kind of a dirt road maybe I don't know if it's paved not that one is that it if we just keep going down if we just put find a way there's a little bit of water right there but if we just put some kind of little bridge over that Channel or Canal it's not very big all these kids down here can ride their bikes to to their soccer practice and their baseball practice and basketball and not have to get out and drive all the way around to get into the park because that's County owned property already so you got penny for passenger is there a trail there right now it's it's it's mowed grass it's you can ride a bike on it it's not wet it's I've hiked on it and walked on it and so it's just for pedestrian uh it's just land that it's just an easement that we own I don't know I don't know why we own it so what there's utilities underneath it and we mow it and I'm saying they they can ride it today they just have to be able to get across that little that canal canal down there on the end so well let's just have staff look at that and yeah when we come back with the meeting let's have an answer if we can do that okay the penny for Pasco money we put in for Trails for a transportation component and just like I was saying earlier let's go look at doing this thing you can buy a ready-made bridge and just okay pop it in so we're ready to so public comment anyone here to speak to this item anyone signed up we had three people but I think they all off Jay Bartels Grace Elmore and Susan Conrad I do not see them in the audience anymore

okay so no one in the audience will speak no one on WebEx no one on WebEx to the board I'd like to move to continue this to the meeting in Dade City is that September what daff was a little worried about the two-week turnaround on paperwork with their process so I'm gonna go a month I think they'd be happier if it was a month yeah that's fine okay I'll move that we continue to September 19th in Newport Richie at 1 30. second okay district one commissioner Oakley all right District Two commissioner Whiteman two District three commissioner Starkey I didn't vote yeah aye sorry go ahead I was just going to say thank you to miss Wilhite and the name team for looking into looking letting us look into this and being uh working with us on it so I trick three I'm going to say it again commissioner Starkey I said aye okay thank you District 4 commissioner Bradford hi District Five chairman Mariano hi okay okay item p-77 we have proof Tampa Bay Times July 5th 2023 and by affidavit certified mailings and site postings item p-77 is CPA 22047 diamonds Commerce Park PD and we have staff to make a presentation regarding the comprehensive plan transmittal to the formerly the Florida commerce Department which is formerly Deo good afternoon Amy Tull with Planning and Development the item before you is CPA 2204 or seven diamonds Commerce Park as Terry mentioned this is the transmittal hearing for the proposed comprehensive plan Amendment so as stated this is a proposed comprehensive plan Amendment the existing future land uses res one residential one dwelling unit per gross acre the applicant is proposing a future land use change to PD planned development to allow for a mixture of heavy and light industrial uses on approximately 188.7 Acres the subject site is located on the east side of U.S Highway 41 approx a couple miles north of State Road 52. there is an accompanying sub-area policy running alongside the plan development future land use classification in the name of sub-area policy flu 7.167 seven diamonds Commerce Park PD there is also a proposed rezoning petition to mpud to implement these standards set forth in the sub-area policy the proposed uh site is located in the North Mark area in rural transition area here's a location map where aerial view of the proposed area location your current zoning district is currently R2 low density residential the applicant is proposing a accompanying rezoning to MPD master plan unit development the existing future land use being res one

and the proposed future land use being PD here is the accompanying sub-area policy concept plan as you can see the entire area is actually planned to allow for light industrial uses with heavy industrial uses only located along the interior of the proposed development it is also located west of the CSX Railway as well as east of US Highway 41. there is a residential Community to the north of Pasco Lakes acres and then there's also a residential Community to the south after the category one Wetland called Pasco Lake States the seven dimes seven diamonds mine is also on the other side of the street or on the west side of U.S Highway 41. the proposed amendment is consistent with the following comprehensive plan policies primarily The applicant's Proposal from res1 to PD to allow for industrial uses is supported by various employment generating land use policies in place and with that we recommend you authorize transmittal to the Department of Commerce and other reviewing agencies and I'd be happy to answer any questions any questions for staff okay thank you good afternoon again Barbara wilheit 6327 Grand Boulevard Newport Richie 34652 for the applicant to make sure you're an owner of the property Miss Wilhite you've been sworn right I I've been sworn thank you got a lot already but I guess I've been okay thank you just wanted to point out that we are not asked for all Heavy industrial uses so as Ms Tyler said Paul said Mrs Stahl said that all the property can have light industrial we've asked for certain heavy industrial uses centered in the property but those certain ones and when I tell you what they are you'll be able to make the connection to why we're requesting these Ready Mix plant paver plant concrete products and Specialty Concrete Products Manufacturing soil cement mixing Plant Road Building Material manufacturing and asphalt plant basically the concept is to take the materials that are generated over seven dimes mind and be able to move them here and make things with them just as simple as that can be and so that cuts down on trips if not we take the things from the materials from mine and they go other places like to Hernando and they do this manufacturing and processing and then they come right back down on your roads to serve your developments and your construction including you know County products projects as well so I just want to give that perspective of of why this is here and obviously this area across from two Limestone mines this makes a lot of sense next to CSX railroad and we do have the MPD coming we've been working on it with um with staff and the county attorney's office a lot of unusual conditions in there that I haven't ever had the benefit of doing before but the county attorney's office really wanted to make sure that when we have some of these uses that we we worry about air quality and and making sure that there's conditions that

not only the dep we actually move the dep conditions into our MPV conditions so that the county can enforce them if the if the dep doesn't so we of course we can talk more about that this is just transmittal because it's a large scale we don't bring them together so we'll we're going to do if you'll transmit it today then we'll bring back and you'll see the mpud and the and the adoption at the same time so thank you okay Barbara so question for you as far as the buffering goes I'm glad to see that you're putting industrial on the edges are you doing anything extra to what the code says as far as to buffer the property I know you did that before with the mine next door but yes we do have setbacks and additional buffering um but we will have that in the MPD Okay so we'll make sure that we bring that forward don't be looking forward any of the questions for Barbara applicant I have a question for staff but okay now let me try to do public comment okay anyone here to speak to this item in the public comment you have signed up Stephanie schatzman followed by Jack Jones Stephanie shotsman 15234 scanio Drive Spring Hill Florida 34610 John Moody on the planning board said this was a good place for a concrete plant because Pasco County didn't want this type of heavy industry in other parts of Pasco seriously Pasco County has no concerns for crossbar welfare the environment or Prosperity economic viability mobility and health of the residents that call this section of Pasco County home John Boney said that we would drive by the concrete plant without noticing if it as he drives unaware by the state road concrete plant what a stupid statement according to the Pasco County growth and Management Department in 2011 the consistent determination stated as disclosed in the comprehensive plan and policy reviews section the proposed Limestone mining operation is considered as incompatible and inconsistent with the surrounding uses and developments first Limestone blasting mine was approved on May 7 2013 when it was in an active foreclosure lawsuit I guess you don't check your records that opened this this whole mess up the mine expert for Lego Bernie mine said the distance of blast would be felt was 2300 B blasting started and it was at a much greater distance that people were complaining so the same mine expert for seven diamonds changed the distance to four thousand to five thousand feet at that hearing he said there is a difference between the two mining operations he stated a seven diamonds blast would reduce ground vibrations to probably half if not more here's just one comment from somebody we were rocked today severely my neighbor has Things fall off his wall I have to go check my swimming pool for cracks and if my grandkids are in it I have them pull out in case there's something catastrophic happens how are the citizens surrounding the

proposed diamonds concrete plants supposed to be safe particularly when there's so many misleading and inaccurate information will there be an air quality system to sound an alarm when the air is polluted there is currently no air quality system near this part of Pasco will there be unpleasant smells the fire station is eight miles away what are they going to do why are they getting Wells and um septic tanks and if they do are they going to be metered U.S 41 is a two-lane road and it was shut down on Thursday August 10th due to an incident near U.S 19. U.S 41 bookstore there are no shortcuts there are on the alternate no easy alternative routes got concrete is two miles north of the proposed concrete plant it has CSX railroad in back of it why do we need a second concrete plant the zoning should remain as it currently stands the Pasco County Water System crossbar Regional welfare budding the proposed concrete plant needs protection we need protection from businesses that pollute to affect our health our safety our properties the aquifer and the environment also this week there was an article from the Tampa Bay Times that stated that more water is going to be needed there is across the street the two open pits they're massive for the Lego birdie mine and seven seven diamonds so are they going to be polluted but anyway this Times article says that there is going to be increased pumping so this is a very sensitive area the first mine should have never been approved it was in an act of foreclosure lawsuit how you all missed it I don't know anyway I am and very opposed to it and there was a letter that I sent to miss someone Hyler to ask that it be included with the transmittal information and I would like to include the Tampa Bay article to receive in file second no broke up district one commissioner Oakley all right District Two commissioner Wakeman aye District 3 commissioner Starkey aye District 4 commissioner Bradford aye District Five chairman Mariano aye anyone else from the public here to speak anyone Jack Jones that's back to the last type of question first back to staff so Amy when this came to the Planning Commission I thought the applicant was pretty clear that they were not going to be getting County Water and Sewer staff report still sounds like they are the the staff report is just reflecting the utilities comment so I could put a statement in the staff report that says even though that this is the comments or the the capacity statement from utilities they do not anticipate utilizing that I think that's the utility Interstate that it has capacity how it said capacity gets to the utility is up to the developer

but the apple game May very clear that they have no intention to connect to County Water they're going to be on well and septic so my concern is this is somewhat misleading to the board and Department of Commerce it makes it sound like they're connecting the statement is we will have adequate Wastewater Treatment Services requiring them to actually connect to those services so I'm not sure why this is even in here it just seems to be the it very misleading to the board and the state to say that there's adequate Water and Sewer Supply when the applicant has no intention of connecting to any of it I mean I guess if it said if they connect here's the here's the supply that's available but you should make it very clear the the applicant does not intend to connect to they tend to be on well and septic understood I can add a statement in there no problem okay thank you yes I did forget to mention that at the beginning um the packet that I sent or put on all of yours I would like to also receive and file that I sent an email earlier this morning to the clerk's office with letters of opposition so those are the the documents that you have in front of you receiving file a second district one commissioner Oakley aye District Two commissioner Whiteman aye District 3 commissioner Starkey aye District 4 commissioner Bradford aye District Five chairman Mariano hi compared to the applicant Barbara Wilhite for the applicant of the different comments a lot of it had to do with the mines across the street but I did want to the crossbar wellfield comment I did want to make sure that that was addressed and we have Gary we know all about the crossbar will filled because we permitted our blind Stone mine across the street so I thought Gary could explain that to you who has that article is it down there can you pass it I saw that but I didn't get a chance to read that any dresser my name is Gary ubelhauer I'm a principal engineer with our consulting firm called ECT business address is 1408 Northwest Shore Boulevard in Tampa and I have been sworn the comments about the cross crossbar well field have to do with the direction of water flow beneath the ground and the location of the proposed Park will not adversely affect operation of the well field or any of the component Wells you have maps in your comprehensive plan that show what is called the cone of depression that is an area to be protected and you'll see that the Commerce Park is located outside of those areas of concern and but that

any questions well only the only difference is the aquifer below below ground moves east to west which moves that water back the other way correct so if there was any issue I don't think there would be correct okay I do have my team here if you have any additional questions any additional questions um Barbara just let me ask a question as far as there's gonna be a lot of traffic going from one side of 41 to the other say it again there's going to be a lot of traffic going from one side of 41 to the other or not how many trips we estimate I gonna go from one side to the other but we did that road has been improved all the way through that area for lager Verde and for seven diamonds so and I think the driveways line up the driveways line up between our driveway and library's driveway if you wanted somebody else to come up or no I think at this point we'll look at it later on down the road so it will be an accident I could comment you don't have the MPD before you if you wanted to impose additional improvements at that intersection to address your concern that would be the time you would request those additional improvements okay and we do have as I recall the mpud because we were working on it yesterday it does say that at the time of preliminary site plan we have to do access management that time we didn't do it with the mpud so we will have to do that with staff and look at that specifically I know when lager already come in um I was not pleased with the changes that happened from the first came to us who just give me a little sand pit with a little bit of a lake and they went down so deep and I know with seven diamonds mine you guys did put a lot of buffering in place uh I hope you'll do the same thing with the thing coming up here and we also did a lot of notifications we have a elaborate notification system thanks to Mr Goldstein up there before every blast there's a lot of notifications that go out there that go out so I think all those things have helped um thank you oh go ahead go ahead I'm sorry how far is the driveway from uh the property that or the product they're going to be bringing across how far is it from the well has I know Steve designed all of this so let's have him okay tell you it's not right across the street then is it I'd be going on memory which isn't that good anymore I think it's I think it's actually South this entrance is south of the other Steve Henry links and Associates 5023 West law and I have been sworn so there the access between the seven diamonds mine and the entrance here is about a thousand feet to the South one of the things we are going to do to talk to dot

about the potential for having a separate driveway simply for trucks directly across from Seven diamonds mines so that that would the trucks would come directly across 41 as opposed to turning right and then turning left into it so that that would be the option that we're going to explore if for some reason dot were to say no then we would just have to come out and then turn about a thousand feet but we have built turn Lanes both acceleration and deceleration Lanes four seven diamonds mine is a part of the construction of that mine to be able to accommodate that right yeah because there's a there is a concern about how you get there so well the reality is and one of the things is that this particular is not it's actually going to decrease the amount of traffic because the reality is the demand for the product and for the end product is there so whether the trucks leave here and go to another concrete batch plant 10 miles away or they go across the street so it's going to decrease the traffic in the overall area for those trucks right and again the truck tip will be leaving this facility delivering that product are already on the road so really from that standpoint we're doing the same trip a little bit shorter right but we're decreasing the overall truck traffic on the road right by providing this I understand that yeah and for the people who live to the north of the bus trips because they're just going south at that point commissioner thank you just being a supporter of septic to sewer conversions if there's just ever an opportunity to to hook in I would be great to see instead of living living on a septic septic system forever there's never an opportunity or we can move that direction for hookup uh that'd be good to hear we understand that that hookup's only for those businesses on that property right that's right right um on the on the access Steve going from from the mind to where I See the Light industrial it's the picture we're looking at the map just doesn't quite show up but is there enough access do you think to go from right across yes I mean we've got a if you go directly across and again it would only be to be able to go directly across that would not be trucks that are coming either north or south on 41 would not be able to turn in it would simply be able for the trucks that are delivering the product across the street to go directly across but yes there are left and right turn Lanes at that location no it'll make it would make sense for DOT to give it to you to have the access to the north as well as Lago I've already Ever Knows too okay worst case if it's not the the driveways were built to be able to handle the traffic yeah I'm happy to get involved with that conversation though sure sure okay I moved for submittal second district one commissioner Oakley

aye Mr two commissioner Weightman aye District 3 commissioner Starkey aye District 4 commissioner Bradford hi District Five chairman Mariano aye I believe that brings us to committee reports oh commissioner open [Music] I think I'm clean I don't have any present today very good you should wait thanks chair I have a couple of pictures we have to go up my first I'd like to thank Congressman Bill rackis and his team they went and had a coffee with the congressman Town Hall in Lexington Oaks and a good conversation with with him and we're fortunate to have he and congresswoman Lee in our part of the world so appreciate and she had a a meeting yesterday evening in Wesley Chapel as well so good to have them both uh back home for a little while before they go back up to north of Richmond to uh good Workforce up there we also visited the Wiregrass Ranch Sports campus for the open house and team did a great job Keith Wiley Ronnie Alton Christina Cardone I think was there I think she was earlier today uh Matt McDonough Monica Holly Willett is that you say your name and uh coach Smallwood Isaiah Smallwood he has he has good energy so excited to see the energy and momentum going forward from the team uh who's uh at sports campus we also attended uh both orange belt Trail meetings the East Pasco and West Pasco meeting and uh I don't know if any other board members have attended but there's a there's a clear difference in opinion on the trail really once you get East to Bellamy brothers folks are pretty passionate about the direction of that trail uh and our office has had several meetings and um I encourage encourage folks to hear what the folks who could potentially be impacted once they get east of east of Bellamy brothers what they have to say and uh you know encouraging remarks from the folks on the west side of the county so two very different opinions on the matter but appreciated staff did a good job uh and appreciated uh the opportunity to hear what folks had to say and engaging engaging the public so good work there um we also went and visited uh West Chapel Rec Center uh Hyatt and Amanda Amanda Hill and high zilly they're both Planters I think with Terry's department and we had a 2050 workshop and it was raining so I had a couple handfuls of people there but it was really my first time participating in the 2050 Workshop comp plan and um appreciated the level of Engagement using the phones and the apps and putting it on the big screen and the the breakout sessions with the table so

um another another nice nice public meeting uh so Terry I guess that's your your team uh appreciate what they did and uh again congratulations to Wiregrass Ranch uh and Wiregrass Ranch Boulevard being open it's pretty wild to drive through that Northern section and just look to your left and you see Saddle Brook and other places that we didn't get to see so congratulations there and a close with uh made a comment couple board meetings ago about how we look at you know commissioner Stark brings it up the the drive-through restaurants the car washes the self-storage and the design standards and so uh my team and I had a meeting with Terry very very preliminary meeting uh and uh he and Matt was it Chris and Chris uh very interesting conversation with Terry and his team on the layout of these of these uh businesses and the the side and back parking and there's plenty of bad examples everywhere but moving forward I I'm excited to see not put you on a spot now Terry but I hope that other Commissioners will will talk to Terry and Terry I'm anxious to for when you bring your presentation forward uh it's it's refreshing to see how just some simple changes can make for just a different feeling when you go to these places and shop and get your food or what have you so uh Terry thank you and that's all I all I have okay let me add something orange boat orange belt drill it's a very important Trail there's been a misunderstanding with the people on the east side of the county they they are thinking that we're cutting their land in half right we're going over there that message got out and people just exploded that when that's not going to happen at all we're not going to condemn any of their property right we're not going to cut their property in half and they need to understand that this Trail is going to be for the use of coming across our entire County and coming into the east side of the county is going to be a very well used argument Trail so and and we'll add to the better things that are coming in into Pasco and in the east side I talked to Mr Starkey I talked to some business people on the east side one whose last name is Simpson and he's very excited about the opportunities that he's going to have to put retail along the trail um and it's it's really you know you used to always tease me about pushing the trail but he is buying property along the trail for Economic Opportunity along the proposed Trail route so I think it's very smart and you know people um get misinformation and sometimes have their own in my opinion um unrealistic impressions of trails bringing in crime and whatever but there

is no doubt that the the closer you are to a trail like of this type the your property values go up and you're actually safer because there's more eyes more eyes around to stop crime so um I look forward you know we have ways to go on this but I I look forward to more and more discussions on this but I think it's going to be wonderful for the Kenny just let me add a little bit too so my impression when I met with the folks from the Eastsiders there was like four or five different routes as I believe different connections all the way through and I think they had a strong voice to how it was going to affect them so I think as we look at that we just take that to one effect as we go forward I think we'll be okay I think there's Alternatives here that can make it all work it's just a matter of make it all work that works for everyone it'll work out it'll work out and I've spoken to people who live on the east side say they love the trail they don't want it near their home but they will get in the car and drive to the trailhead next to someone else's home and drive ride their bikes in front of their home so it's you know this nimby's huh okay no no commissioner okay or Terry or somebody forgive me so I'd so Sam moved on who's the uh the young lady in charge of of it now what's her name remind me of her name it's in engineering was in Engineering Services but Carl is telling me that it's Aaron Swanson yeah Aaron you know her first meeting was at the the Dade City orange belt poor thing so but she hung tough she hung tough and uh you know hopefully she sticks with it but she did she did a good job under under the circumstances uh so her welcome to Pasco County public meeting at all okay commissioner Starkey um I'll start with um one that I was going to give to Mr steinsteiger and I don't know if you want to tackle this or not but I've I've I have some constituents who when they um they have called in for code enforcement violations um that our staff so let's say you turned in your neighbor for um overgrown or whatever um they they when code comes out they ask who made the complaint and they say well your neighbor did and I get that we can't do anonymous complaint I mean you can't but she was wondering if can't you say you need to call the county and make a public service request to ask for that information should we just be giving it so freely because I could tell you one of my constituents went in the hospital with 15 and and he had a lot I had to have a lot of surgery on his face because his neighbor beat him up um and so I mean typically on a public records request if we have the information we disclose it just right there just give it there's no hoops no

little bit of I I'm not sure what I'd like to know I could see if the citizen were standing right there how you'd want to defuse the situation but if it's just our code officer I mean it's I think they should have to go fill out a form to ask who made the complaint I'll do whatever so I'd just like to know what what leeway we have in theory public records request can be verbal so if they're asking the code officer and they can verbally reply yes go file a paper oh you can't make somebody you can't have a precondition to public records request that they go fill out a form so somebody can just verbally make a public records request and if we have that information we need to provide it okay well I'm hoping that Thursday we can have this discussion to go back again to Anonymous code complaints that's a it's the legislative that's a legislative yeah and that's Thursday we have that discussion um okay where's my notes Here uh so on my ongoing Landscaping commercial I want you to notice that the Steak and Shake who took out all their trees is has redone their parking lot and I don't know at Mitchell Plaza and then you have Chick-fil-A um you can see the bottom and then you can see over here they're they're putting theirs back in again so thank you very much to uh the businesses in the Trinity area yesterday we had a press conference and Ashley asked me to speak at it and somewhere I have the facts shoot the numbers of the numbers that were that are coming out are crazy on opioid and fennel fentanyl overdoses and the the general chose to do this press conference in Pasco County because apparently we're Ground Zero again in the state so the national opioid crisis um with fentanyl being one of the most uh potent opioids uh had last year in the United States more more than 110 000 overdose deaths and most of those deaths were due to fentanyl in Florida we used 23 lose 23 people a day and 15 out of those 23 are from Fentanyl Pinellas and Pasco has the most fentanyl deaths Statewide last year there were 374 overdose deaths in the first six months it's fentanyl is now found in every illicit drug and um as the general is asking that um that the country consider fentanyl as a weapon of mass destruction which will lead to a lot more resources they're saying that that fentanyl is being stockpiled here in the United States and literally think of our water supply you can load you know balloon or something up with some Fentanyl send it over our drone just drop it in you can walk through the grocery store spread it on vegetables whatever I mean they can it can be so easily dispersed in in mass and we'll have mass casualty

events and they're very very concerned about this so it was very interesting press conference okay send some pictures I don't know what's I don't know what order they're coming in hopefully the order I set and then and then we're going to go over what I sent gave you guys because I've been working on this for a while is it a video oh this is the way they do the the ons the the bike trail in Traverse Michigan which is why it was wasn't at those meetings I was riding my bike in Michigan so I and on one side they have One Direction and on the other side they have the other direction they did a road diet they narrowed the road made it more pedestrian friendly and added these bike Lanes which I thought was a brilliant way to do it okay um this is the way they did the bike trail around the lake and I I tried to get DR Horton to do this in this project that they're doing so so the bike trail is between the town homes and the lake so everybody gets to use it but those people still get lake views and they have privacy from their shrubs but you know to to save that Waterfront just like Bayshore Boulevard in Tampa I mean then every everyone gets to enjoy uh this this Lakeside opportunity and that trail was really really popular I'm gonna there's another picture of the this Trail that's that's fine on that one I This Is How They went across their Lake look at that beautiful Trail and those bump outs on the side are for people to fish so a lot of recreational opportunities for their their citizens this is oh oh and this is what you can ride on those trails or somewhere is it okay those are some kind of bikes and you put your drinks in the cooler in the middle and you you you I think there's six or nine seats around that thing have you ever been to Nashville and you see people's cycling in those little trolleys down the street especially bachelorette parties okay yeah this is this is a cycle party um this is how they do their trees uh to keep the roots from tearing up everything they put these along this along the street there so I thought that was that was a good idea do I have more pictures there okay I wanted to show you this is the Homelite project that did everyone get to meet with them before we approved it today when y'all weren't bringing up any objections especially Seth I I didn't want to complicate things and pull it off but that was a C2 project that came in from multi-family and as and it came in a long time ago but we kept working and working is Terry still here yeah I mean I don't know how many times

planning met with this poor guy but we said If You're Gonna convert C2 there has to be you know retail commercial underneath so Terry if you could just explain this a little bit I was on the phone with Liam at like 7 30 last night going over this project yes you should see what it came in with first time and it was beautiful but it wasn't going to work for us it didn't go unnoticed yes thank you Liam so to just walk through the site plan or the conceptual plan very quickly here basically on the North End of the property is rangeland Boulevard and on the south end of State Road 54 so it's very very close together with the two roads are sort of diverging from one another and up the center of the property is a connecting road that will link the two um all of the buildings are oriented toward this internal roadway and what you're seeing on the depicted on the plan is the vertically integrated mixed-use buildings both on the on the east side and on the west side of this road the first floor is our commercial as the commissioner noted above that is the residential multi-family aspect of it and behind each of the buildings are parking decks in order to accommodate the parking needs for the development and possibly for any parking needs for other developments that might happen to the on the north side of rangeland Avenue which is that spray field where you know the baseball was licking and right you know we'll have something over there but importantly there's two out Parcels um that are stationed along the 54 Frontage uh on on these two Parcels we had a particular condition built into the conditional use where the buildings would have to be oriented toward the internal roadway and the parking to the side and rear of the buildings such that the people that would visit these two sites potential restaurant users might be able to walk and stroll between the shops and our kids that are arcade being the underneath the building if you will of the frontages of these buildings here and visit some of the retail opportunities that might be in on the site and that way all of The Pedestrian activity is framed by the buildings and you can quickly and easily move between uh the various sites and one of the things we're assistant is this road had to go because originally he didn't go through it had to start you know it had to connect 54 to rangeland because it originally had a apartment complex and a big U and like no no it has to there has to be a connection between the two roads so right right okay thank you all right so what I handed out here is um and you may have gotten the email I can send it back at you again but and and I thought this was done every year I kept asking Ralph email me the final

appropriation list and he kept sending it to me and it kept coming without the red line and I said no not that one I want the one that where only just the things that got approved are in there and turns out no one makes that list and so I got fact to do that and they said they're going to do it every year they went through every County and highlighted in you know highlighted in red the vetoes and everything else you see here are the ones that came through and the ones that I I printed out here did you get a little so I had my staff just pull oh we're we're Oakley go did he leave us so I had our staff my staff pull um commissioner yeah I was wondering since commissioner Oakley's not here would this be a better discussion on Thursday did he leave huh but it might be a good discussion we could do there on Thursday because it let me go into it a little bit here okay and then we go into it more on Thursday but what I want you to notice here really this is more for us than them because this is just show I'm just trying to get educate us and actually Ralph educated me on something and looking at these so if you see the ones that I highlighted in pink you'll notice there's no Senate what's the Essa Senate form wasn't a member project after those Appropriations that means and Chris and Chris Sprouse and I he was so kind he spoke to me for like an hour I have to do it again so it'll say again that there is a lot of money in Tallahassee where it's it's their funds their their grants their grants that are funded so so basically every year the house puts out after the budget's been put out a county breakdown of every project uh going to the county what what happens is they not only include member projects they include the transportation work plan they include every Grant uh from different departments whether it be Library funds uh historical grants and whatnot so it it it it looks like a lot for that County but you got to understand that these majority of those are grants that they've applied for okay but but that's not the point I know okay I want you to look at front of this sheet because you got Palm Beach up there on the first two lines to make sure you have these and these are this is our this is what we got from the state the whole County not just the county and then we stop right here okay so I'm not even sure okay we might have filled one side of one page now here's Volusia and let's look at their you know three pages if you go to cultural and Museum grants there all those different organizations applied for Grants and they may not be huge amounts but they're probably big to those non-profits and Chris told me these these are not member member projects

that get vetoed no they're not and the other thing as I I told you commissioner um because you don't want to do apples to oranges these also even though they say the county name these are municipalities that have applied yeah yeah and it's not only cities it's I know but they'll list it as a county but you know like Pinellas County they have 24 cities 24 cities could have applied for five grants um and my point to this is we have to teach our citizens we have to educate them that they need to be because we're not doing enough our cities aren't asking in our in our non-profits aren't asking and commissioner um Oakley I know I think you're on the fair board and I've noticed when I'm going through all of these that everyone's you know putting asking for the fair money for the fair and there's no Senate form after it so there must be a fair fund there is and we've got money for a fair in the past but but do we ask every year or just occasionally or oh yes from time to time but are you asking as a member as a I'm not a member Fair Association I'm not a member I'm okay yes they're asking and that's a city what I mean is are we asking our legislator to to sign on to one of these grants taking advantage of the grants well certainly are lacking in the cultural Museum [Music] Friends of the libraries and whatever organizations we have we got to get them asking for money because oh my gosh look at Sarasota it's just pages and pages and I think it's just a matter of Education it's kind of like when we have our workshops with our municipalities you know we just continue to tell them we hope you put a project in I you know when I see Debbie Mann or or uh I'll encourage them to make sure they're putting projects in everywhere no now what are I noticed in a lot of these commissioner Mariano there's uh let's say in this one Pensacola Beach renourishment project and it's under Beach project and there's no Senate form after it so there's a fund for money to help with beaches have we ever applied for that the what have we ever applied for any money to put a stand on any of our beaches I don't know the answer to that question commissioner but what you're seeing now especially starting with Thursday is more of a concerted and deliberate effort from this County to be able to go after you know additional State resources to bring back home to our citizens that is that is why we're going to do this it is it is to essentially take advantage of this and to be more organized and that that's the approach that that I want to bring to this to this process after having gone through

the legislative process with you all this this previous year and so Ralph's done a great job we're going to set up on Thursday I've actually spoken to a lot of our Municipal Partners as well and invited them in that we're going to go together as a as a singular County as an entity so because all of our citizens you know deserve to to you know have these things come back come back to them so we're beginning that process I I would say that we probably haven't been as organized as we should have been in the past and that's that's where we're changing that yeah I do just want to make sure that we all know that these funds exist we've got money from the fair through Wilton Simpson I know but there's a difference in getting it from the fund and getting it as an appropriation that someone sponsored that's what I'm saying build a big Pavilion right now Chris Chris Sprouse told me of the I think it's a cultural fund that he added you know millions of dollars to and I don't think we've ever I don't know if we try tapped into it so I think we have a I still I think we have a lot of learning to do and I think we have to educate our community on on that there's an ability to ask for money there's a lot of money going here for substance and mental Mental Health I don't I don't know did we ever do any of our people ask for that so when I looked to see who in our County besides us not saying us who in our County asked for money last year there's very few people asking for anything there is nothing from Newport Richie Kathy yeah Kathy Pearson assistant County Administrator Public Services as far as the fairgrounds we did receive money that's how they renovated the fairgrounds about two years ago do you know if it was a grant or was it an appropriation it was an approach it was now you see that's what I'm saying you can go back someone can go back and ask for some of the health department appropriation and the department just received I forgot how much but there they've got an enormous amount of money for the Substance Abuse and Mental Health so they're working that's how they're working with the fire and all that kind of good things so we could be more proactive and we will be you know definitely welcome back to the library one when you look at how many asks went in from our County compared to the other counties of the same population we got to get our people on the stick so it's not just us it's our people so that's kind of my point when you're looking at these yeah anything else nope all right commissioner Bradford it's really yeah they're nice to be here it's great to participate I appreciate all of your Dynamic personalities uh I don't say a lot I necessarily listen as much as I can and I look forward to

being here next month thanks all right thank you Gary County Administrator uh yes I have a few more items than usual today so if the board will indulge me I'll move quickly uh just a quick couple of blurbs um I know commissioner Whiteman mentioned Laurel Congressman Laura Lee she was actually at one of our fire stations on August 17th to meet we appreciate her support of our First Responders as our entire Federal delegation but specifically uh looking to to push forward some safer grants which will be part of what we're talking about here in terms of bringing financial support back to the county second item is that our purchasing department actually is one of 45 counties to win a national award being recognized as having an excellence in procurement so we're very proud of our purchasing department uh helping us to make sure that we're doing the right things when it comes to government procurement so hats off to them I do have another Accolade for our media relations and Communications and if you've got a second here I'd like to show you the video but we want another Telly this was a bronze Telly and the Telly's as you know recognize excellence in in video and TV communication they have 12 000 entries annually so to win one of these is rather prestigious and this was related to Pasco Outdoor Adventures so I think that's queued up if you wouldn't mind showing that Sonia [Music] foreign [Music]

I've never seen that bird move like that that was very that's very nice yeah so so hats off to the team uh we're very very proud of them uh the last item and I'm really just this is just more of a report because it just happened um some of you may have been been uh recall that we had a 2017 sewer agreement with Hernando County along to provide service along the county line that was subsequently canceled by their board in 2022. um that obviously put a put a blow to development on the Pasco County side of the line since we don't yet have sewer service up there we had kind of worked together to try to to work on a joint agreement with Hernando County to do some uh to support jointly the widening or transfer of of of County Line Road North uh and and in return get that sewer agreement something that would benefit both both parties um I'm by and I had that actually teed up to go on to the September 5th agenda because it was going before the Hernando County Board of County Commissioners today unfortunately they passed the road agreement but also again shot down the sewer agreement so at this time I'm just advising the board that I do not intend to bring that agreement forward at this time until I have an opportunity to speak with their County Administrator but if the board has any guidance or anything that they'd like to say to me about this before I go forward I'd certainly love to hear it at this time well Mike this is a very important agreement to us and I and I know you've passed utilities director knew exactly what to do how to work it out and you took the long approach to getting it right so to see it not go forward is very disappointing um and I think we talked just a bit a little bit you mentioned a comment that uh sometimes the counties that border each other will service another area maybe not for whatever at least for sewer where they're going to make money especially if capacity is available and especially if there's a long-term plan that we could show that we're going to build our capacity we're just not not ready for it yet so yeah I mean the existing agreement did have a 10-year initial term on it so the intent was for for Pasco County to to eventually get utilities into those areas so that it would have helped but again it again you know I know we we struggle with development in that area and the original agreement did include Water and Sewer but we were respectful of Fernando's wishes to because they're not part of a regional water supply and so their water supplies were limited so we we kind of backed off of that but um at any rate I intend to have those conversations but um I will do not intend to bring that agreement forward at this time just because that really wasn't what we what we discussed and so we'll we'll continue to have those conversations I know we're going to be running sewer up there and it would make

sense for us to rebuild the road and then have to redo our side of the road to go put the pipes in anyway so it wouldn't wouldn't be wouldn't be efficient for the state to even go forward with it at this point yeah I don't I don't disagree but this was just just happened today so I just wanted to report it since the board was in session now and just to let you know well I think I'll thank who's our mpo director for being there and he's been shepherding this all the way through as far as the transportation part to work with DOT just to see it uh it's been over a year in the world yeah kind of a sad thing commissioner Oakley I thank Kathy Pearson might have something to report that we were well I was going to add as well that yeah absolutely thank you I was thinking you were done so no no sorry there's a lot going on here the uh of course if you if you didn't hear we are now the lead agency um for area for for senior services so uh we will we will be taking over you did pass a consent item today uh subject to County attorney review of the agreement that that I can execute and we can we can go forward and providing that vital service to our to our seniors I also think um Denise did you have an answer to a question that was asked during the board meeting that you'd like to okay that's it thank you okay very good thank you well Mr Starkey yes that's walking out the door but I read that article um with the pumping of the water and um and the thoughts of looking at crossbar and and two things I want to bring up with Tampa Bay water not crossbar Cypress Creek yes so they're talking about pumping more water yeah but that's from all well Fields that's not just from crossbar or is it that's over the region to maybe possibly get up to 10 million gallons a day well I can tell you which one would be great to Pump from and that is Eldridge Wild because the Trinity area and Booker Creek that's why the flooding issue is so if they it's caused it because they backed off uh pumping yeah yeah I saw it's down to third I brought that up at the meeting yesterday but if they wanted to start with one I would highly suggest Elder 12 which for those of you don't know Eldritch Wilde is in Pinellas County on the Pasco Pinellas border and mistakenly when Trinity uh got their Master water plan it was during the drought and Swift Mud actually asked the developer Dr gills to bring broker Creek water in from Pinellas County under Trinity Boulevard into Thousand Oaks to rehydrate the wetlands so now we're getting their water where we don't want it and you know what I'm talking about absolutely so um so Elders Wild you know pump Away pump pump yeah but we work closely with swift men where we've asked with the possibility of possibly doing some additional pumping because

we've recovered very well uh was crossbar and and that area out there you can go go down 52 and you can see the recovery and the swamps and that's where the water is I mean we've I don't know what it is about that area and they must put their welfare out there for some reason because we can get three inches rain in in the Dade City area and you'll get seven inches right out there around 4G Ranch in that area we're crossbars it's the uh it's the lines the coastal Breeze line yeah we watch it every day at the market also look at another property to take your development rights that also borders right up next to crossbar wellfield which will give more protection for that welfare so the other issue we have with crossbar that I think uh Mr carball and I will have a conversation with Chuck but I just want to bring to your attention is with the orange belt alignment it's very important that we use that road that has been in talks all along that cuts the corner off of Aaron cutoff to behind pass uh Central Pasco Town Center or whatever Central Pasco employment I hope you have a better name for that whole area one day yeah the central Pasco employment distance that's not a nice name um because the the reason why that's important because the rail Corridor goes up between Cypress Creek and the development but that is the shooting Place Tampa Bay sporting place and so we want to get into the park and away and there's already a road there um and it's that great it's there's no environmental impact we don't want to be riding along Tampa Bay Sporting Clays so yeah and all of a sudden I'm hearing a little talk that maybe there's an issue so we want to make sure that that's locked down because that's a very important section we actually are about to go for a grant for money to build part of that section so okay that's it for me County attorney I have nothing like quick items okay so uh the first one is our office provides Law Library services for the county through the legal Resource Center so I want to make you aware of a new service for certain non-confidential civil cases we have a new filings viewer in the legal Resource Center um this often comes up with the public and in the media for certain when new cases are filed they have to normally wait for them to be processed to be able to see them this will allow them to see them as soon as they're filed as long as they're not you know a confidential case type so just want to make the board aware since we provide services for the board and the legal Resource Center the second one is a warrant scam that's out there that we are we are alerting out on our side um it actually happened in Pinellas but we share the same chief judge with judge Crane and it's a scam where a citizen had some deputies that are they

pretended to be Pinellas County deputies calling the citizen and telling them that because they had a failure to appear in a civil violation a warrant was issued for her arrest and essentially the citizen was worried about it and even looked up the individual's names online because they were real Pinellas County deputies she ended up believing it but they scammed her out of twelve thousand dollars twelve thousand five hundred dollars to resolve the arrest warrant and so the victim purchased the gift cards I mean they directed I purchased gift cards and sent the barcodes over the phone and they they they were smart scammers because they use real Pinellas County deputies and chief judge Crane's name and the scam and that's how they got away with it um and so because we shared the same we were in the same circuit want to we're telling Pasco residents also about the scam so that is it scary if somebody's asking for gift cards they do it all the time they do it with jury scams they do it we get goals weekly probably crazy I don't see Alex in the sheriff's office here okay um I've got a couple items uh Hudson Beach as you can miss mentioned Starkey we we actually had that with the legislature twice to get funded once we had with the sprinkle and then hurricane Ian came in the other time it just got vetoed so I'm looking at tourist development to go do that initial investment to spend 250 Grand that'll be coming up I think at the next board meeting um and I want to thank Congressman Lee for coming to Pasco County as Mike had mentioned coming in there I wasn't able to make it I was under the knife you might say uh while that was going on but glad you shown up it looks like the grant we're looking for is still in play so the rejection letters have gone out we haven't got one yet which is a very good sign um and I got a question with Wiregrass Sports Ranch we have a chance to do naming rights correct and we haven't done that yet is there any correct okay so who who what's what's who's the advertiser It's gotta be it's like a 10-year agreement yeah it's Advent yes okay I mean with a hockey rank you see that name everywhere we don't see it on theirs imagine even the Flyers we just had up earlier today so okay okay well that's great and uh by the way they did my surgery and they were phenomenal great company um mudroom Mike you and I talked about it just a little bit um how intense are we looking at as far as mudroom goes as far as who's getting a big discount who's not as far as these

projects go as far as impact fees go yeah I'm not prepared to answer that the question how many projects are getting the discount or yeah does it happen a lot is it yeah Terry how often would you say that we have projects that come in to use mudroom as based on the mpds that I'm reviewing I would say it's ten percent okay usually three or four per year per I mean Brad there's not enough is it higher than 10 or lower I would say that it is the incentive type that is used most often it's used far more than tnd and TOD is used but it's still I mean it's 10 about right or is it hello probably the people that actually vote is right around 10 percent um maybe even less because some places are doing only a portion of their project we try to make it an option in most of the imputees if they design it to their code elements that are set out for mudroom that they can do it okay but it's not too heavily used all right well that's all I have so we'll return thank you oh thank you [Music] thank you foreign Wildlife depend on you to keep them healthy excess fertilizer grass clippings trash oils and pet waste wash into gutters and storm drains when it rains stormwater carries these pollutants directly into our lakes and rivers creating an unhealthy environment for fish waterfowl and other Aquatic animals storm drains are meant for clean rain water most other discharges are illegal if you suspect an illicit discharge please contact Pasco County Department of Public Works at 727-834-3611 [Music] thank you [Music] foreign