07.11.2023 Pasco Board of County Commissioners Meeting (Afternoon Session)

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foreign [Music] [Applause] foreign [Music] foreign [Music] foreign [Music] [Applause] thank you [Music] go to the Pasco County Commission meeting of July 11 2023 please silent all electronic devices and mutual phones we'll proceed with public hearing starting with ordinances item p-49 continuance metal cut yes sir um p-49 was advertised in Tampa Bay Times March 8 2023. okay thank you Mr chairman Carlos petos Planning Development Department item p-49 is Ena 23005 this is an ordinance for a proposed change to Land Development code regarding the design standards manual and it's being continued to a date uncertain okay I have a motion to continue p-49 so move second roll call vote yes sir district one commissioner Oakley aye District 2 commissioner Weightman aye District 3 commissioner Starkey District 4 commissioner Bradford District Five chairman Mariano aye next item p50 uh yes advertising Tampa Bay Times June 21 2023. nmp50 is pdd230132 I'll go ahead and read the title in ordinance amending the Pasco County comprehensive plan providing for a large-scale comprehensive plan Amendment to the Future land use map and f2-15 and G22 from AGR agricultural rural to PD plan development and approximately 2903 Acres of real property located north of State Road 52 approximately 2.25 miles east of land o' Lakes Boulevard in a text Amendment creating sub area policy flu 7.1.70 4G Ranch PD and a map Amendment to the Future Lander snap 2-9 adding sub-area map 2-970 4G Ranch PD and an amendment to the the conservation element map 3-4 critical linkages map providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for repeal repealer severability and effective date this comes with a recommendation of approval of the adoption and if the board would like a presentation we can present the boardwisher presentation I've seen this a few times okay before you make a motion um on the advertisement it was Tampa Bay Times June 21st 2023 but I forgot to mention and by affidavit is served by mailings and site postings so it goes for the record so anyone here from the public like to speak to item p50 move approval another motion second and any further discussion call the roll district one commissioner Oakley aye District Two commissioner Weightman aye

District 3 commissioner Starkey aye District 4 commissioner Bradford District 5 chairman Mariano aye and thank you Steph for getting the paperwork straightened up before the meeting P-51 yes sir advertising the Tampa Bay Times on June 7 2023 and June 14th 2023. okay Commissioners Denise Hernandez Planning and Development Department first I would start I would like to ask that you move and receive and file this is the final report of the Pasco County Airport zoning Commission second okay roll call district one commissioner Oakley District 2 commissioner Weightman District 3 commissioner Starkey aye District 4 commissioner Bradford District 5 chairman Mariano aye thank you okay Commissioners today is the first reading on this item so we just ask that you take public comment and um there's no action required today because this is the first reading on the item and the adoption hearing is set for August 8 2023 at 1 30 in Dade City so it's uh PDD 230432 an ordinance by the Pasco County Board of County Commissioners establishing section 605 airport overlay districts of the Pasco County Land Development code amend the amending appendix a definitions and other sections as necessary for internal consistency for providing for repealer applicability repealer providing for severability inclusion into Land Development development code and an effective date the reason why we're here is that chapter 333 Florida Statutes requires that local governments administer adopt and enforce airport zoning regulations and the Pasco County comprehensive plan both chapter 2 and chapter 7 require that you have airport protection and overlays so the airport zoning commission was established in 2017 and it was modified in 2021 there were interlocal agreements between with the city of Zephyr Hills and Hernando County done in 2018. there was a comprehensive plan updated in 2022. there was a moratorium on development around the airports in 2022 which is set to expire in August there were noise Contour studies that were adopted by the board of County Commissioners through resolution for the Tampa North Aero Park the Hidden Lake airport and the pilot country Airport during this time we collaborated and coordinated with various interested parties including elandu's attorneys planners engineers and the aircraft owners and Pilots Association there were airport zoning commission workshops held and there were public hearings before the airport zoning commission and those were held on May 3rd 23 and May 15th of 23. the proposed amendments were presented to the horizontal Roundtable and the interested parties meeting on June 21st 2023 there will be internal trainings on how to deploy this ordinance with the planning and development department and the board and the building construction services the ordinance will be administered by

the planning and development department and the appeals will be to the Planning Commission this was presented to the local planning Agency on June 20th 2022 or June 22nd rather 2022 2023 and they found it consistent with the comprehensive plan and recommended approval to the board of County Commissioners so the section 605 establishes overlay districts which include the airport influence area which goes out two miles from the center of the runway in that area we're going to be looking at height it establishes an airport Zone which is 30 um half a mile sorry from the center of the roadway the approach surface floor which is the area coming into the up into the approach and that's approximately five thousand feet for visual runways which most of these airports are visual runways and also the runway protection Zone and all these areas will be mapped in GIS Paschal mapper for all the airports and this is just to show you the noise contour maps that were that was adopted by resolution of the board in 2022. so again we asked that you take public comment there's no action required this is the first of two public hearings on the item and the adoption is for August 8 2023. Denise great job on this one especially to hear the airport zoning commission unanimously approved it so those are the people have been in the trenches looking at this for a couple years now to get all done so great great work on that any comments from the board some perspect of the chairman thank you all right yes I I do want to say I'm sorry because I'm here so I can speak on the microphone I do want to say a special thank you to Elizabeth Blair who's been amazing throughout this process so I'm very grateful to her and um for her Direction and her she's been your proverbial wig man yeah I think I'm her Winger no great great job you guys made a great team going through this your diligence professional performance was excellent so as a public item uh anyone here to speak on P-51 anyone WebEx there's no one signed up okay for this item to the board and this would be your oh your first your first hearing and we'll it'll be back before you on August 8th at 1 30 years item p52 p52 is advertised in a Tampa Bay Times on April 16 2023. item item p52 is prn23014 I'll go ahead and read the title it is an ordinance by the Pasco County Board of County Commissioners amending the Pasco County Land Development code to increase products and Recreation impact fees beyond the phase and limitations in section 163.31-8016 Florida statute amending section 1302.1 uniform procedures and Provisions section 1302.4 Parks and Recreation impact fees appendix Admissions and other sections as

necessary for internal consistency providing for applicability repeal or severability inclusion into the Land Development code and an effective date this comes to you with a recommendation of approval as an adoption okay thank you Terry any questions from the board all right there is someone signed up on their public comment okay let's let's uh go to public comment okay uh Joe Farrell is signed up for this item good afternoon commission my name is Joe Farrell I'm here on behalf of the central Pasco realtor organization 20119 Eagles Landing one uh in general we are supportive of impact fees we understand that there are needs in our community the answer to almost all the time is money to those needs one thing we would like to see maybe more expressly identified or lined out in this ordinance is in the fee schedule area that there would be an exemption for affordable housing the cost of housing is going up that's not news to anyone what is unusual is that when interest rates are going up the prices are either stabilize it staying the same or going up to that's unusual and we're seeing that throughout Tampa Bay and that means that there's still going to be an increased need and increased cost for home construction in our region uh so we are really looking out for those kind of those folks it's just basically for our Workforce and vote first time home buyers it's getting harder and harder and they're getting purchased out more and more of our community and having it in that fee schedule and especially put there would be more obvious to the home builders especially smaller mom and pop home builders that may not understand that and build in multiple jurisdictions they may not know to go and look at where to look in the code so having that extension for them and also having it lined out in the fee schedule will be very helpful thank you thank you anyone's here for public comment for B-52 I did get a few emails and did talk with uh David longspach prominent Realtors I was in the housing board and he did Express concern about it for the affordable housing aspect a few years back we put the school impact fees in place we put something in there where there was language if it was affordable housing they could go before the school board to ask for the reduction what is the blood symptoms that we're trying to structure something like that and I'm not even looking for a full exemption but maybe a partial commissioner Whiteman I'm opposed to the exemption until we understand the full impacts of the live local Act I don't think we need to be giving any further exemptions uh to fees to affordable housing until we know you know 12 months from now what we know the impact we have five in the pipeline significant amount of units I think we need to wait I think we need to wait 12 months to understand the impact of this

of this bill and what it can mean to our tax base before we we make any decision on this particular uh exemption for the others and there's something we could always bring back and make that change I'd be willing to have a discussion and review it after we understand 12 months so maybe maybe next yeah you feel we should go forward with it though just because the perks I think we need to move forward as is I mean everybody uses our Parks we're so far behind on our parks and uh whether you live in affordable housing style or not you're going to be probably using our Parks if you have kids so I think everybody needs to have some skin in the game okay uh commissioner Bradford I I concur with uh Mr Oakley I like to move approval yeah well well we have a motion I'll second give me a second discussion commissioner Starkey yeah so I I too am very um uh well I am in favor of trying to figure out how to help Workforce housing and I agree that we just don't know what is going to happen here with the live local yet but my understanding and talking to staff is that once we really understand what's going on that we can bring this back and figure out ways that we can um can help because I do I do think we we need to so I'm going to be in support of this today with the understanding that we're going to re-look at it when we understand a little more about live local yeah I think that's good I think it's it's a it's a noble approach I think it's the right approach so we have a motion a second call the roll yes sir district one commissioner Oakley all right District Two commissioner Weightman aye District three commissioner Starkey aye District 4 commissioner Bradford all right District Five chairman Mariano hi motion pastors 5-0 item p-53 yes sir it was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times on April 16 2023. np-53 is PRN 230155 it's an ordinance amending the Pasco County comprehensive plan providing for text amendments chapter 5 Recreation and open space element the glossary and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for repeal or severability and an effective date in this country with the recommendation of approval for the adoption any questions for staff okay we'll go to public comment anyone here for item p53 there's no one signed up or on WebEx move approval the motion another second second call the roll please district one commissioner Oakley all right District Two commissioner Weightman District three commissioner Starkey aye District 4 commissioner Bradford District Five chairman Mariano aye I'm in p54 yes uh we're gonna move p54 to the end of the meeting right before we hear in the

uh the mpg requests the MP reject MP reject request of p68 so let's go to type P or p63 . we're jumping from 54 degrees okay so p63 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times on June 14 2023. P1 63. we're going to just make a couple of changes now yes hello the item you have before you here is uh call side healthcare's application for a Teflon Teflon is a conduit loan which means the money is not being borrowed from the county simply flowing through the county however IRS regulations do require public hearing and the approval of this application is your acknowledgment that this loan is done because it is in the public interest do we have to do anything else just oh nothing here and so Gulfside is skipping the bar 12 million dollars for the construction of the Gulfside Center for hospice care which is located on Deer Park Drive in Newport Richie and for those at home just wanted to re-emphasize that the county will have no obligation related to these bonds the county is not responsible for paying The Debt Service there's no cost to the county and Gulfside is not borrowing from Pasco County I would ask that the board open it up for public hearing afterwards we have Brooke Gonzalez from Brian Miller Olive which is the County's Bond Council here Linda Ward CEO of Gulfside Healthcare here is here and of course Mr steinstein who's been deeply involved in this deal and we are here to answer any questions after the public hearing that you have any questions don't sign up don't sign up anyone here to speak to Adam p63 . so anyone on WebEx second I have a motion in a second roll call vote district one commissioner Oakley all right District Two commissioner Weightman aye District 3 commissioner Starkey aye District Four chairman commissioner Bradford District Five chairman Mariano hi all right thank you motion passes congratulations thanks for the great work you do Linda and we'll do item p-66 Denise um now we're going to do p55 p55 okay so if P 55 was advertised on Tampa Bay Times on October 19 2022. p55 is PDD 23 cu-05 it's conditional use it's withdrawn um so there's no further action required okay item p-56 Mr chairman do you want to do re-zoning procedures yes please there are two reasoning agendas regular and consent staff will present each application to the board of County Commissioners if staff or Planning Commission is recommended approval and there is no opposition the application will be considered by the board without further presentation if staff or Planning Commission has recommended denial or if there is opposition to the application the applicant will be given five minutes for presentation the opposition will be given three minutes for each individual or five minutes for

a group representative and the applicant will be given three minutes for a rebuttal any individual disagreeing with staff or Planning Commission recommendation or anyone wishing to object to any condition of the rezoning May at this time request the petition be pulled from the consent agenda in which case that application will be heard under the regular agenda later on during the meeting otherwise all rezoning applications on the consent agenda will be approved by a single motion and vote if you wish to speak to any petition please give your name and address and whether or not you've been weren't for the record these are quasi-judicial public hearings the lawn Florida is that near public support or opposition of an application is insufficient for this board to take action please limit your comments to those criteria found within the board's Land Development code Madam clerk would you like to swear them in yes sir so if anyone is planning on speaking on any of the items for the public hearing agenda please stand and raise your right hand to be sworn in okay do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give as the truths will help you God all right thank you item p ee okay p56 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times on May 24 2023. p56 is PD 237591 State Road 52 Groves mpud the item is a request it's a request for continuance to the August 8th 2023 Board of County Commissioners meeting at 1 30 in Dade City thank you any motion continue time certain so move time sir second okay district one commissioner Oakley aye District 2 commissioner Weightman District three commissioner Starkey aye District 4 commissioner Bradford District okay thank you District Five chairman Mariano aye Charles schweigo item p-57 another continuance P57 is advertised in Tampa Bay Times on May 3rd and June 7 2023. PDD 2377-10 in the name of rezoning in the name of Village Green mpud the request is to continue the item to a date uncertain move approval for continuance second district one commissioner Oakley all right District Two commissioner Whiteman District 3 commissioner Starkey aye District 4 commissioner Bradford District Five chairman Mariano aye so did you want to do 54 now because um you want to do it with 58 no yeah we'll do it we'll do it at the end yeah yeah so that's that'll say yeah we'll do 54 right before we do 68. so go back to back okay I apologize all right so uh p58 is uh do you need that did you have state the advertising yes I did not thank you Denise so p58 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times on June 21st 2023

and by Affidavit of certified mailings and site postings p58 is PDD 237661 it's 4G Ranch West mpud 4G Ranch LLC it's for rezoning from mpud and AC to mpud to allow for the development of 1500 single-family detached single family detached residential units I think it should say single-family residential units on approximately 1 102 acres and it's located on the north side of 52 3.19 miles east of US-41 the item comes to you with a recommendation of approval with conditions with some changes that were made by the Planning Commission which include the change of the front structure setback for three different product types which include the Villas the detached a product and the detached B product and also a new condition that basically limits the number of town homes to a total of 200 that has been sent to the clerk's office to and to each individual commissioner we ask that to approve the item with conditions as included in your revised condition in your packet okay commissioner Starkey I'm just thinking about what a rear loaded product would that set back preclude them from being able to do Reloaded should be I don't know if they have any plans but I wouldn't want to keep them from doing that because of that setback language maybe we could add it to it just in case if that's okay with them [Applause] because you said there was a condition of a setback yeah the setback has to do with the front primary setback those setbacks um the Planning Commission requested that for example the single family attached Villa had a 10-foot primary setback they asked if it'd be 15 feet so that was changed and it was also changed for single family detached product a and single family detached product B so that wouldn't be for the town home the town home Remains the Same so is there I wouldn't I wouldn't want to preclude them if they wanted to to do we're loaded so um I can we just say Clark what's a sentence it just says if if they do we're loaded those setbacks don't apply Clark hobby hobby and hobby PA 109 North Broad Street have been sworn uh I'm sorry Tampa Florida have been sworn uh we this only applies to certain front loaded product commissioner I don't think your concern is that you're not going to affect it in any event so if you wanted to do rear loaded and not have those setbacks those setbacks only apply to certain things right okay right okay commissioner Mr Holly I just want to confirm that the Townhomes are pretty simple that's correct okay we have the new condition and they're requiring class thank you okay another question for Steph let me go to public comment anyone from

the public like to speak on item p58 it's on consent so is it anybody wishes to object to this item anyone wishing to object to item p-58 leave it on consent item p-59 okay p59 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times on May 24 2023. p-59 is PDD 237680 zoning Amendment Carlos Alberto Ramirez padlock and Lara Garcia Santiago for a change in zoning from a C2 General commercial District to an AR agricultural residential district comes here with a recommendation of approval from a planning and development department and the Planning Commission does anyone objecting to item p-59 you're not concerned um item p60 advertising Tampa Bay Times on May 24 2023 that's PDD 237684 zoning amendment in the name of Sarah Gurley trust Max Allen Sarah C Gurley go to co-trustees for a change in zoning from an AR agricultural residential district to a C2 General commercial District comes to other recommendation of approval from the planning and development department and the Planning Commission anyone here objecting to item p60 signal turned on consent do we have anybody representing this item yes it's Peter Pensa representing the item that you asked representing me yes Peter pencil with um with Avid I believe the moving to a seat to C2 zoning I'm just going to stick with my theme here to protect this zoning from the live local act so I want to confirm that there are conditions I apologize I should have still told you that uh let's see see if they agreed to a deed restrictions I I don't see that they agreed to a deed restriction but I do want to say that um I'm fairly sure that this one has already submitted a pre-application meeting for a commercial development there but there's not being a confirmed heaters but now move to continue this item until we can confirm uh this is the applicant here I believe the applicant should be on WebEx try to do this real quick you'll have to pull this I guess let me see if we can get a WebEx real quick WebEx Eric Peter Pensa I'm here Peter pencil says he's here Peter all right so uh commissioner Weightman would like to have a restriction on here a deed restriction did you hear development correct we'd be fine with that thank you and Mr princess can you give your name and address for the record and say that if you've been sworn yes my name is Peter Pensa I'm an aicp certified planner with Avid group and I have been beautiful have not been someone or you have you have it okay thank you all right all right we're gonna Mr Starkey okay yeah so uh I don't I haven't looked to see where exactly this area is

um but you know I'm a proponent of mixed use and there are some good there are times when it's good to have residential above commercial or retail and so I think what we don't want is is a someone coming in C2 doing a horse housing multi-family project but can we just keep keep it to that and and who knows baby wants to live above where he works I mean I wouldn't want to take that away so is there a way to word that so we just don't get what we want what we we get what we don't want we don't get what we don't want so at the moment I think we're gonna have to continue this item anyway talk to the county attorney just said we need the Restriction in place today anyway if they're doing a voluntary deed restriction you don't have the deed restriction before you so this would have to be continued to your August 8th meeting okay so if you want to reach out to the applicant you get another conversation we'll put okay we'll go for that motion to go forward so we're going to pull item p60 and we'll continue it to well why don't you just pull just pull it pull 60 for right now and continue with your consent agenda since that's all right item p61. p61 is advertised in the Tampa Bay Times on May 24 2023 PDD 237693 Clyde Ava Stone Buckman Highway for a change in zoning from AR agricultural residential district to a C2 General commercial District this does have a voluntarily agreed upon deed restriction um that it will be used for C2 employment generating uses okay anyone here to object to item p-61 see no one leaving on consent item p62. p62 is advertising Tampa Bay Times on May 24 2023. that's [Music] pdd237714 in the name of Jeffrey s and lindia Lydia Curtis for change in zoning from an AR agricultural residential district to an r1mh single family mobile home District comes here with recommendation of approval from the planning and development department and the Planning Commission okay is there anyone in opposition of t-62 believe it on consent you have a motion to remove the consent agenda some move second does that include the revisions okay all in favor say aye oh no sorry all right district one commissioner Oakley aye District Two commissioner Whiteman uh District three commissioner Starkey aye District 4 commissioner Bradford District Five chairman Mariano hi so that'll we're going to go back to item p60 now um from over the phone the applicants agreed to put that deed restriction in but we need to continue it I'm comfortable continuing into the next meeting whether it be in Dade City or not if the board's okay the next meeting yeah yeah okay so I make the motion okay okay and is that okay with the applicant to continue

it August 8th 2023 we thank you very much for your cooperation uh roll call vote okay district one commissioner Oakley aye District Two commissioner Weightman aye District 3 commissioner Starkey aye District 4 commissioner Bradford District Five chairman Mariano aye um so that motion included the changes okay okay um all right so I wanted to pull up just for to have no one for probably comment about p-66 Denise we need the advertisement notice uh p-66 was advertised Tampa Bay Times May 24 2023 p66 is PDD 237706 the name of Pittman Andrew V Heritage TR Pitman Massey Happy Hill for a change in zoning from an AR agricultural residential district and C2 General commercial District to a C2 General commercial District this does come with a voluntarily agreed upon deed restriction and this comes through with a recommendation of approval from the planning and development department and the Planning Commission okay any comments for staff uh well I guess I'm gonna join commissioner items I'm going to talk about this just to make sure um so you're familiar with Hyde Park in downtown Tampa where there's shops and restaurants and residents and I don't want us to have such a broad brush that we don't allow that kind of opportunity here so um but I'll I'll approve this but we need to have a discussion and maybe a lawyer speak on how we can keep live local stuff out but not preclude live works and things like that commission Weightman she said I was just confirming and confirming with the hobby about the live local piece so thank you okay anyone here from the public like to address item p66 anyone on WebEx no sir because to the board move approval second and Roll Call district one commissioner Oakley aye District Two commissioner Weightman District three commissioner Starkey aye District 4 chairman sorry commissioner Bradford all right District Five chairman Mariano aye motion passes 5-0 all right item p-64. advertising Tampa Bay Times on July 2nd 2023 and by Affidavit of certified mailings and site postings [Music] good afternoon Amy tall with Planning and Development item q64 is CPA 2209 in the name of Greenfield Del Webb River Reserve PD thank you the subject property is located in the South market area and urban service area a little history for the background of this um so the proposed amendment is an amendment to PD

um in the name of Greenfield Del Webb River reserve the existing future land use does have a Sudbury policy already Associated to it in the name of bell fruit Zendaya zeneda so in 2010 May 25th 2010 the board actually approved that change to allow for the levels of density and intensity shown up on the screen as well as defined in your agenda packet being 1316 dwelling units of residential one thousand uh 144 000 square feet of office and an industrial component to it that includes a 616 200 square foot Business Park and 103 265 square feet retail so again this was approved in 2010 and currently in place in November 12 2014 at the board of County Commissioners also approved a rezoning petition from AC agricultural District to MPD master plan unit development in that Master Plan unit development the following densities and intensities were defined a single-family detached attached being 712 dwelling units multiple family apartments and condos being 604 dwelling units again 144 000 square feet of office 548 000 square foot of a light industrial Business Park and 171 454 square feet of a mixed juice area being retail office and public services and lastly there is an existing mixed-use troop reduction method plan or measure plan that was approved in 2015 and currently in place this is the visual that accompanies that and so the applicant has actually come in um this is uh I don't I don't want to say companion but almost like a phase two you uh already heard a Greenfield's Industrial Park which is located on the west side of uh Suncoast Parkway uh that was approved for approximately 300 acres of light industrial so the Greenfield Del Webb which is located on the east side of Suncoast Parkway is uh owned by the same property owner and their proposal is set forth on your screen as you can see the reason why I'm saying this I wanted to make note is there is a reduction or proposed reduction in industrial or employment generating uses by the applicant however because the property owner was agreeable to amend the future land use on the west side of Suncoast Parkway to an industrial site which was approximately 300 acres there was a net gain of over 8 million square feet of industrial that was already previously approved approximately a month or so ago so now we're coming forth with the component on the east side of uh Suncoast so what you see here is a proposal reducing the already existing entitlements or residential units from 1 316 dwelling units to 1205 dwelling units the office is being reduced from 144 000 square feet to 21 600 square feet the industrial is being compacted with the business park being removed and just strictly industrial uses as being quote unquote increased I guess you'd say to 160 000 square feet and then the commercial retail component or the retail component is being converted to allow for commercial uses as well and that is being reduced to 32 000 square feet

so with that being said um the applicant is proposing a comprehensive plan Amendment this is going to be a large-scale Amendment the hearing before you is the transmittal hearing to send it to the state for review uh the proposed future land use change is il uh existing future land uses IL like industrial office residential or res 12 being a residential 12 doing units for grossaker whereas III being residential three dwelling units per growth acre and existing conservation lands the proposed change is to PD to compact that all under one future land use classification as well as conservation lines to retain the component or the conservation lands located above the critical linkage The applicant's Proposal is to allow for a mixed use development of 1205 residential dwelling units of 12 600 square feet office a hundred thousand sixty square feet of industrial and 32 000 square feet of commercial retail the subject sites located on the western side of Shady Hills Road approximately 1.15 miles north of State Road 52 and again there is already a sub-area policy in place in the name of Siberia policy flew 7.1.10 it was previously or currently in the name of Bel fruit zeneda the applicant is proposing to rename that to the Greenfield Del Webb there is also an accompanying MPD rezoning that will be heard in the near future so here's your site location as you can see where the subject site is located um Shady Hills does bisect the proposed amendment and it's located on the east side of Suncoast Parkway your uh current future land use as previously stated you have residential on the east side of Shady Hills with your employment generating being Light Industry and office on the west side of Shady Hills the applicant's proposed amendment to PD flu and con as you can see the conservation lands are being retained and here's a conceptual plan that we have identifying where the proposed areas are being located on the left side of the screen the purple to the top is going to be your Light Industry the pink is going to be your mixed use and to the South is going to be your multi-family there is also on the right side of the screen of proposed mushroom plan that they are still going to align with in this project the mushroom mixed use trip reduction measure so they are still keeping that component on the right side in the pink area and so the proposed amendment's consistent with the following comprehensive plan policies and with that we recommend uh you walk away's transmittal the proposed comprehensive plan Amendment to the Department of Economic Opportunity and other reviewing agencies and I'd be happy to answer any questions you have uh Amy I have a question I was working with uh the applicant and we had put some language together correct um not worried about the Del Webb project come in and there's no trips to

be added picking up 300 acres of industrial was known this was coming afterward but we did talk about the the roadway of Shady Hills Road not having a trail running all the way down we know there's enough room to have a five foot path there may be room for an eight foot path and the language we picked up was it would be three years before they would do anything with the multi-family until it would be able to come to construction at the same time that would give the board time to put a plan together to put that trail in place that's correct we are well aware of that condition it has been received and approved so I can let applicants speak a little bit more to that but that will be set forth in the MPD conditions of approval I believe that's coming to you within the next month Steph Mr White okay well I continued my broken record here there I guess that's why it doesn't the the my conditions on the remaining commercial pieces um they're solidified Barbara Wilhite 6327 Grand Boulevard for the applicant I have been sworn yes Mr Goldstein very carefully reviews all of our conditions and they're consistent with all of your policies up to date including that one thank you well following along that I don't want to try and figure out how you do this legally and Clark said he's going to send me some language on how to preserve what I'm talking about what's your what you're talking about preserving is already preserved because they can do commercials because it's residential about their commercial so now you're in an MPD but in what you just brought up the C2 the deed restriction says they're limited to C2 uses vertical single vertical mixed-use is a conditional use under C2 so so that your previous issue is consistent I'm assuming that given David's review of these conditions your conditions in this MPD would allow for the same thing it's my understanding but I will double check because the MPD is not before you today so I will make sure that the language is clear okay sorry I always get those mixed up we love all Direction it's actually why sometimes it's good to do the transmittal hearing on a big project like this but without the MPD so we will double check it all right and I want to talk about Trails I did meet with the applicant and talk about um actually the the enlarged trail that we contemplate coming down the edge of the um the wildlife and one day we're going to give you the presentation from Bentonville I promise but um in looking at this and talking with the applicant and talking with Keith and looking at the big picture we think that trail is going to come down the other side of the coral of the

wildlife order not the west side but the east side so I'm okay I think you guys are preserving a hundred foot of them what do you have yeah 100 feet of Uplands outside the wetlands is and the total is about 145 Acres that's being put in a conservation easement of my client's property yeah and um and and so we don't talk about lot size here or to present the next no no we don't talk about lot size here all right okay any questions if you want to carry on do your presentation yes all right so this is a comparison of the existing approved entitlements and the proposed and I think Amy went through those very well with you so I won't uh belabor that those points the preview to the MPD plan again you can see the large ecological Corridor area 145.9 acre commitment of these of our property owner who will speak here by the way a life a very long family families on this property for a long time and this is one of their legacy projects so we're I'm happy and proud to have Del Webb as a part of our project the award-winning Senior Communities and this is their Illustrated plan along with photos from their homes in Bexley this is one of their amenities just off the charts beautiful and it's beautiful 13 million dollar investment maybe 50 to 15 a very large investment in the amenities of these projects as as Amy had said there's west side east side of this project on Shady Hills Road the west side is our mudroom side and the east side is the Dell website as commissioner Starkey had just mentioned this is a piece of your Starkey I don't know where that name came from to cost more ecological Corridor and we're a piece of that we're 145.9 acre piece of that conservation effort that started long ago when I was here at the county as commissioner Starkey had said we met with the commissioner and Keith Wiley and talked about you know where would be best for a public Trail in proximity or included with your Corridor and that was decided that's East was where the opportunity was and they're already pursuing opportunities on that we've taken your conversations and the conversations and the comments from the public very seriously about Pat multi-use paths so this is probably hard to read but let me kind of go over it the what you see is our project which is in the box is what we're going to do within our project and that's we're required to do by code five foot sidewalks on both sides of our project well we didn't my clients said we understand that the board's really interested in something larger multi-purpose path so we agreed within our project to do eight foot pass the other thing that we set out to do

was our client through level up our engineering partner on this project went and took a look at what was going off what was going on off site and they studied the right-of-way they studied where you have existing sidewalks and they studied where other projects and they looked up the approvals of other projects to see what what they've already agreed to do and so this map is a combination of those things the when you're coming to the north of our project we identified two gaps the 980 linear feet on the east side and 1574 linear feet on the west side my clients have agreed to fill those gaps as part of this project as an off-site improvement they're going to fill those gaps with eight foot pass on either side of the road now mind you that when you're looking at the the East Side that's a Del Webb 55 over community no kids going to the school but working with the county and listening to the county and nobody asked us to do this we actually proposed this on our own we proposed to fill in these gaps regardless of the fact that we don't have any children from the from the Del Webb community that will be going to school so we're going to fill those gaps as an off-site improvement that'll get our project it has a benefit because it gets our project to your cruise Lake Wilderness Park as well as the Suncoast Trail as well as further to the to the west side of Suncoast when you look at what's going to happen after the Suncoast after we fill in the gaps and between what's there there are two eight foot paths proposed one by the developer of krella Estates townhomes and that's depicted there for Mary giella all the way around um to the beginning of Cruise Lake Middle and they're going to fill that Gap with an eight foot eight foot path and then you can see the existing path in front of Cruise Lake Middle School on the on the other side I guess that's I don't know what side you call that of of Shady Hills where your Gary Plastics is going in they're doing an eight foot path along there and then what you see along Soft Wind which is the yellow down at the going right left to right on your screen is what between Gary Plastics and what this client property owner of Greenfield Place West will have to do regarding the sidewalk we have reduced by this project that we're bringing forward we've reduced the trip Generation Um for your future land use amount which is which before you today by 64 percent we've reduced our MPV traffic Generation by 608 to 608 a 74 reduction our student generation this project we've reduced by 66 percent if you take um our residential before what's approved today and what we're requesting it's reduction of 8.4 percent for this project most interesting is when you take this property owner's full commitment to you which is modifying the land use and the zoning on

their 300 acres west of the Suncoast Parkway with this project and how many residential units are coming off your books which is about a thousand this is a reduction of 45 in trip generation from this area I'm proud of this this is by working together that we're achieving very good plan between the industrial on the west side in a location where it will be it will happen and it will be successful and then really making this project the right project for this side of the Suncoast Parkway as the commissioner alluded we do understand as as we understand our portion and what's happening in our area regarding the lack of paths and the gaps we do recognize the what's occurring north of Mary Jo yellow excuse me nor the cruise Lake I guess we put my pass back on here it's like it's something for a second year so as you can see there Cruise Lake Middle School there is a sidewalk existing where you see the Blue Line there this is the very North left-hand side of this graphic the sidewalk stops so the concern that's been raised by your chairman as well as the residences well there's nothing to the north and I I know that the county is has a CIP project to extend either a sidewalk or a path from Crews like up to Bosley to also signalize that but I think that what the county needs to look at as well is getting that that path all the way up to County Line Road North not something that our project can do the gaps that we're filling in there exceed likely exceed our Mobility fee credits um so it'll be out of pocket in addition to the mobility fees paid for this project which are about three million dollars by the way but in working with the county and looking at a condition and it's a condition that will come forward you'll see it in the MPD but the thought is to slow down the west side of our project where we'd have we'll have multi-family apartments by the way we're already approved for 604 multi-family apartments and we're cutting those in about half with this approval but to slow down any of the multi-family apartments and to wait for the county to by three years and wait for the county to catch up and get a path in that goes from Married goes from Cruise Lake North as the commissioner said it's the staff has looked at there's enough room for probably five feet but ultimately I think you all would be looking for eight feet so that's something that we'll bring forward in an MPV condition that we've already Crawford and staff's already reviewed and the county attorney's office already reviewed and that is my presentation I do have the property owner who'd like to say a couple words to you if that's okay absolutely good afternoon Powers Dorset uh 4304 West Waters Avenue in Tampa Florida and I've been sworn I'd just like to give you guys a brief overview of our family's ownership with

the property um my grandfather approaches this property over 70 years ago for use as a Citrus Grove and it remained mostly in Citrus until the freezes of the 1980s and it was converted to Pine which is what you see there now my grandfather was a great Steward of land he took great care of it and it was a very important property to him and in recent years we've done our bet my family's we've done our best to continue that that philosophy um when Pulte approached us a couple years ago about Bell lab we as we began to research it the Del Webb project has really stood out to us we thought it was a great project and something that my grandfather would be proud of and um we're excited about it and then also bringing the industrial to the West we've also got 300 acres of industrial and part of that's in the pedc ready part ready site program too um so anyway thank you guys for your help and oh yes thank you Powers thank you thank you our team's available if you have any questions okay and Barbara you'll have the MPD conditions we talked about to wait three years before the other residential comes in the multi-family before the um Trove it's done okay and uh I wanna I would say appreciate the meeting with that Jeff deason I see you in the audience here thank you for putting a great product I think a great addition to the area all right any any questions okay public comment and within public want to comment on this item we have a couple people signed up so the first one is Chicago when you come to the mic if you can give your name and address for the record Dennis Eagle 18 205 Bosley drive thank you so you've been sworn yes yes thank you so uh okay I've seen since the last time we made comment some of the concerns have been addressed and we're happy we're grateful that they've been talking about putting in a trail um but as we know Shady Hills Road is a very old Road it was never intended for the traffic that it has now more or less a traffic that we still have coming in with all these other subdivisions um we're not just looking at this subdivision we're looking at the other subdivisions that are around in the area um we got four schools on a two-lane road um for two mile radius the kids have no buses they have to either be driven in or they have to walk there's not one crosswalk for any child or any Lighting on that road so it's not just a trail or the sidewalk that we're looking for we're looking for

a little bit better Road and some access for the children to be able to crawl safely and then the second concern is I don't know if any of y'all have been out the cruise Lake lately but it's not a lake anymore it's a mud puddle um that's a major area especially for the river in Newport Ridge that's the head of it we're running out of water so we want to know where all this water is going to come from for all these more residents and for their yards because we know when put properties in like this they all take a lot of water to keep their grass green so we're grateful that they're lowering the amount but we just have concerns with the road getting widened some crosswalks and also where the water is going to come from thank you thank you okay and then the next one is Jen korovac good afternoon Jen Kerouac 15925 Green Glen Lane I have been sworn I am coming today and speaking on behalf of the Shady Hills Community along with my friend Dennis there are some very serious concerns with regards to infrastructure um you know how can the with the the scale of this project even waiting three years um the I believe when the traffic gentleman came at the Planning Commission meeting he said that the traffic was rated a d d as in dog and um and so that's a huge concern as Dennis mentioned with regards to being a main north south thoroughfare from Hernando coming from four lanes at Mariner into Shady Hills to a two-lane four schools children and and also I hope that you received this properly because we would hate to see someone put in sidewalks and then need to tear those sidewalks out usualizing all that money that could have went to some other sidewalk and then to come and expand the road it it just fiscally seems concerning also concerned about the two and a half million dollars that Governor DeSantis vetoed with regards to Tampa Bay water and the idea that the water that Dennis mentioned as a result of you know things drying up um how that would negatively impact the folks in the area also with regards to the industrial piece of things the commercial piece of things on the concern that what would go in the ground for the majority of the folks that are there already what might go into the ground that might negatively impact not only their Wells but also could impact negatively the aquifer as a whole so these are things and then the other thing that was raised and I think it was brought in a main meeting the concern that was brought up at our last civic association meeting was the the requirement by state law to have one of the meetings unless a majority vote plus one of the County Commissioners to be after five o'clock as it is a huge concern and

folks would be here but the majority of that group is working class citizens working whether it's a bedroom community or not they're working right now so um it was raised at one of the meetings I think May or June that was brought up so someone mentioned it at our last civic association meeting what is if that was done a vote for this meeting or one of the meetings being after five is there anyone's else to speak this item there was someone signed up for WebEx but they are currently a no-show so there was no one else in it uh to the applicant uh which roach with I can just talked to Barbara um the fact about the water the waters this is a central system coming from Tampa Bay Water I'm I'm sure or Pasco County that's great water for all all the housing that's correct so you're not drawing from the aquifer or anything in this area or doing any additional pumping and we've prepared I'm the chairman of Tampa Bay water at this time and we're prepared to provide water to Pasco County Citizens way into the future without any issue and I'll just address Cruise Lake a little bit as well that that water level is known to go up and down different times now this one time we had it as a top priority to the state legislator to get that funded so we can put money into it and um while we're going up there we're showing it was dry and it turned out over that year's time it actually filled back up again so we're going up there saying our lake is dry we need water and it's actually full and we had to pull it back off the list and and move forward so it does fluctuate but you know Tempe water will be Supply in the morning goodbye so I think we've kind of approached a lot of this these subjects that were covered um I do have Steve Henry if you want to talk traffic I mean this is a 64 reduction in traffic from what we're presenting to you today which is already approved so it's at the pleasure of the board I know you have a long day Steve can talk to you traffic if you'd like um if not we we're available for questions all right let me ask one question they did mention uh one of the emphasis I have is to make sure that the kids all the way from the stillweb property all the way to kind of around County Line Road actually have a way to travel on the sidewalk this is right away between five and eight feet I want to make it a top part of the board to do this because if it's not if it's not going to be done I don't want to approve the whole thing I mean Del Webb I don't think is a factor whatsoever but you know the Dorset family has held it for 70 years they've committed to all sorts of industrial it's going to create all sorts of jobs which is what we want in this County and I don't want to take back from them to do their next part of it which they're even saying to as far as multi-family they're leaning to go to the town homes as well as opposed to

just departments which I'm excited about so I don't want to hurt what they're trying to do at the same time I want the board to know we need to get that done one of the things mentioned is these kids traveling up for two miles or so in your property going up where the trail is going to be will there be a lighted will the side will it be a lighting system for sidewalks going up and along the road I'm pretty sure I got to look at my mapper or somebody can bring up Pasco mapper but I'm sure for sure there's a light there um that everybody uses to access those schools I mean there's like a lighting system along the roadway street lights street lights street lights that's used to approach the street light issue um not you have dark and then you come up on light and then dark again so I'm not sure we have a particular solution for the street lights but those are typically prioritized in the Engineering Services Capital program as we move forward when it comes to Street lighting and I know we have some project we had certain funding was done by a development with something coming forward so I think we need to do that um that's definitely worth a look because if it's dark it's winter time they're walking up from there and again Del Webb won't have so much of that traffic but uh I think it's something we do need to address or maybe maybe during the mpud staff can take a look at that and we'll address that issue then right any other questions for staff okay we'll be up again and public comment is closed to the board move approval second rule cover district one commissioner Oakley all right District Two commissioner Weightman aye District three commissioner Starkey aye District 4 commissioner Bradford District Five chairman Mariano hi okay so we're gonna go to P 65 and then after that we're going to do r48 65 okay okay the p65 was advertised on Tampa Bay Times on May 24 2023. good afternoon Tammy Snyder planning and development today we have the Seven Oaks MPD PDD 237487 proposed as a zoning Amendment from an MPD to an MPD to reconfigure parcel S12 into parcels s12a and s12v to reflect the current ownership and to add additional office uses to the existing office building on the proposed parcel s12b per a mediated settlement the site is located on the north side of sr-56 West of Bruce B Downs south and east of sr54 and east and west of I-75 just a real quick brief history in 2018 the applicant presented a similar proposal except that they were requesting all office uses

and the board denied that request stating reasons as outlined in your agenda memo this request now comes as a result of a mediated settlement agreement there's the location map site location as you can see the surrounding area is mostly mpuds in that part of the county and here's a master plan which depicts the inset the inside is depicting the split of parcel S12 foreign recommends approval with conditions okay any questions for Steph anops and Export Tech Communications to submit okay okay yes there were a number of ex parte Communications they've already been sent to their part sorry no questions Barbara Wilhite 6327 Grand Boulevard for the applicant I there's been Communications today about some ideas of maybe a resolution of some of these issues so I would normally stand here for 10 minutes and give you a presentation I think in the interest of time if you want to hear public comment um staff has given you the present overall presentation their staff report of what's for you um if you I'm happy to do anything it's your pleasure but if you want to hear from any of the residents that want to comment and then I can react to those comments and we can see if we can maybe bring this to closure is that acceptable um let me just ask a question because all these people are here for public comment we've got a lot of emails on it um from what you've heard do you want to talk about that a little bit sure what I've heard is that that they're interested in um whether we would support asking for po1 uses right now the way it's brought forward to you and of our 1.2 acre parcel we have the existing building 3600 and change square foot building that Crown Community Development occupies and then there's the vacant property and what's brought forward to you under the settlement is that the vacant property will remain with the permitted uses today which the county has determined has a whole list of recreation uses and that the the building will be limited to certain professional office uses what's we've seen in many emails and we understand from two of the folks that are here to speak because we I spoke to them earlier is that they'd like to see us do all professional office so that we don't have additional Recreation uses coming into their Community they can obviously speak for themselves but we are certainly open to that idea I want to hear from them make sure you know that we cover all the public comment certainly don't want to agree to somebody something and then continue to keep fighting so we're interested in hearing from the public comment

and you're comfortable if we did get to the matter we heard of some public input to actually continues for 30 days and bring it back then yeah to continue to fix the paperwork um certainly don't want to continue the debate so if we're we're ready to have all this heard may have you make a decision today right we understand that if we go in this direction of of changing to po1 uses that we need to change the paperwork but you could take public comment close public comment and we edit and direct a document to come back to the document to come back so we certainly don't want to keep this going on move on for many years um I would say that and it would we'll have to hear their reaction but they were they asked that the development standards VP of po1 well we have specific development standards for the plans that have already been approved so on S12 there's a preliminary site plan already approved for three Office Buildings and it's still valid and they can go out and develop those today so in making sure that the development standards are consistent with that plan that's already approved we wrote those into the MPD I don't know if the ask I didn't get to hear to have a whole conversation about it because I've been kind of running around but the ask I think is to limit ourselves to po1 development standards in your po1 District which wouldn't work here but I think standards aside because we have a proof site plan that sets forth what our standards are standards aside I think the use is what we really should be focusing on here and and the po1 use is acceptable again assuming that this isn't going to keep going on and on and on my client wants to bring it to closure so okay so it's time for public comment okay so the first individual is John tomsu Mr Thompson when you come to the podium name and address and state whether you've been sworn before you go let me just ask I got Chelsea Waller down for 10 minutes that you want to speak or okay John Thompson two six seven three eight Wing dumb Drive Wesley Chapel Florida 33544 I have been sworn this is the building Crown building it's on the property that's in question the parcel we do see that uh you can't really see it clear but if you could zoom in you'd see that it says private office so the distinction here with private office even whenever you put it up and advertise yourself as a private office as you're not acting as an open Office for everyone to come it's not something that you would actually look for and see on Google Maps even in this case whenever I look on Google Maps it refers to water grass Property Owners

Association not necessarily crown that kind of establishes the use case that we have here so I'm going to refer to that later um brief history it's already come up before but in 2001 SPS Associates purchased this land it was under the quadruple zero at the end um it's really hard to find this parcel now because it belongs to a different unit but whenever you look at all the documentation for the history of this back in 2001 it did have the quadruple zero at the end in October 2001 SB associate submits the site plan the site plan and we'll see that at the moment isn't just for this one parcel it was for the entire parcel so the entire parcelona was referred to as the quadruple zero which included the land that's being used for the clubhouses and all of the amenities in April 20 April 2002 SBS Associates did a cutout parcel so that's whenever the 50 out of the zero zero zero became for the clubhouse now the reason behind this history is because it shows an intent it shows that whenever it was designed it was designed with the purpose of Recreation Center finally in December 2008 we'll see an image of this there was the dri map H which actually broke it out into 12a and 12b for recreation center and office use here's the site plan this is where we can see the three buildings one that exists today over on the right hand side and then the two that are in the middle that are being that were part of the original site plan again the site plan isn't broken up by those little dotted lines or the black solid line it's actually a much larger site plan that's specific to the entire Seven Oaks amenities region again suggesting that the whole thing was one autonomous unit and that's why it was declared as a recreation center also whenever we're referring to the site plan it makes references to things that don't exist a future parking reference in yellow that is not going to happen it's that that's CDD land it's not part of the parcel that's in question here we also see that there's 13 parking spots in red that are allocated via an easement that easement exists so that the CDD can't take away that type of use in front of their property here's a picture demonstrating normal usage full parking lot some overflow parking at the end of the Caps two people parked in a single unit over by the building illegally but this is kind of what we kind of experience in the community so whenever we think about the future we're concerned about the typical things traffic existing parking being available and that's why we want to focus on things that have a lower usage like a po1 here's an example from the dri map poor quality this is the best I could get where it shows that in BCC approved stamp of 2008 in December so that was already called out in the dri but it never followed through in the npud until this reference which was exhibit IE and pdd217507 where it had a reference to

this call out this isn't a document that I had access to prior to this but during the s19 um discussions this one was provided later and it does show the breakout of the two Parcels with that little star condition also in the 28 2018 outcome it made reference to the the meeting notes that this would be a future opportunity for the BCC to vote on what's changed between 2018 and 20 and today basically just had a mediation are the arguments that the BCC had against the original request are they still valid of course they are nothing's changed there the only thing that's happened is we've had this new definition of Rec Center come out that's really terrified most of the community as far as what that definition means whenever we look at the definition of permitted uses under recreational facilities it calls out to serve primarily the residents of the development not General use and that's where we get the distinction between do we want a main event or many main events parked in that area in the center of our community or do we want to break it out into something less whenever we look at the primary proposed conditions we see that the primary uses include a whole bunch of entitlements or definitions that exceed what an office space should be or exceed even what Rec Center should be in this case it's calling out uses that are normally classified as C2 General commercial so under the LDC 526 C2 General commercial we have these ones that were called out under po excuse me that were called out finally under the land use condition we have the office this is what's being proposed today and we see that D has the excerpt except for sp12 I'm just skipping real quick to the real meat of this we believe that all of the language that's contained in the po1 professional is really what is being asked for so it almost looks like the content was pulled out of the definition of the LDC and put into the requirements we understand that you have a very tough decision we have SB Associates that wants to get what they're asking for it could result in a Harris act violation or that type of Direction and then we also have Seven Oaks that you know we'll have community members that come against the county and say hey we've got LDC and flu reasons why this should not go forward we understand the decision that's before you but we also think it's a great opportunity and that opportunity would be to reuse section e office and make a slight modification to propose po1 office office use now I know that the type of use is the big concern here but also the dimensions and the usage of the property going down to a po1 limits you to a footprint size of 35 percent we do believe that that's in agreement with how the property has been used today and why it would be the most advantageous for both the seller and the applicant and the uh the community as a whole thank you very much for your time thank you thank you

okay so sorry I'm in Chelsea yeah Chelsea Waller good afternoon Chelsea Waller daughter with Waller law 38038 Meridian Avenue Dade City Florida 33525 I have been sworn um I represent the Seven Oaks CDD um it has been in discussion this morning about a possible resolution of making the entire personal um office of po1 I'm in a predicament here because without my clients having a special meeting I don't have a client to agree or disagree with anything that's been discussed as a possible resolution I think it would be beneficial if we did push continue this to the next meeting so that I would be able to have that special meeting and get approval from my clients to do so um also we would be beneficial to get some clarification on the dimensions and potential site plan is there anyone else to speak to this item they're Shiraz Irani should be on WebEx I believe Mr Irani are you there Mr pepper Mr President him on you do okay Mr irony if you are on if you can unmute well we tried that who's the next um that is all who we have signed up okay all right in light of that Barbara Corona so we would like to proceed forward um we are flying with the po1 uses and with our dimensional standards that are in the MPD before you today um we'd ask for you to approve that close your public comment because we haven't gone on for this for years and as a county attorney I'll tell you that the settlement agreement was sent to the CDD never commented on it and you can David goldstein's the best one to talk about that but this has been going on for a very long time so to ask us to to concede again and then to say oh no we got to continue it so we can see what everybody else is going to do we would we would we were coming here we saw the emails we saw the presentation about po1 uses we're okay with those uses we're the dimensional standards need to be consistent with the plan that's already provided so what we ask for you to do is to close pump a comment and move forward so we can fix the paperwork to allow for that but I really it's just really not fair to continue us and to continue then what our position they're going to take you've heard them you're putting in a presentation you've received all the emails we're making another concession we've made concessions in the settlement agreement to get us to this point we're making another concession here on the record today and we like to move forward if we can find a way to do that sir are you saying that you don't want us to move this to the next meeting to look at po1 so there's two different ways to do it on your county attorney can probably jump in and explain it better so the question is whether you're going to take public comment at the next hearing or we're going to bring back paperwork

consistent with what the applicant is willing to amend their application to so we're willing to agree to po1 uses instead of that whole list that includes recreational uses and then uses for just the office building those uses would now say po1 and then the rest of the documentation would say the dimensional standards that we have in there because those are dimensional standards that we need for those buildings that are on the site plan that are approved so what we were asking you to do is to close public comment make decision what you all want to do and if you want to continue to do the paperwork consistent with what what's being proposed here then you continue it just a question of how you proceed from this point all right so let me stop you I'm comfortable to look to get a motion and make it all go po1 but when it comes back here there's a whole bunch of people that don't know this is going on that was being represented now it's a big change for them as well as for what they had told the their representation to do so I I'm not comfortable closing public comment when it comes back how's the boy feel uncomfortable moving forward po1 I'd like I very much trust John's comments um I wish we'd have some reassurance from Miss Waller's client here but I'm comfortable with moving forward with po1 but I like some confirmation that we can finally put this thing to bed and again that's why we have public comment for that reason so if they they come back to it it's another agenda item I don't want to shut it down if someone like Mrs Waller wants to come back up to speak to say that her clients agree et cetera et cetera so be it but if there's some opposition to it we need to hear it too not that expect any but again I don't want to close down public comment that we'll close it down for today it'll be the next meeting at the next meeting we had we would be another I think it should just be another regular public area Commissioners are asking me to agree to something but not to agree to it's subject to more public comment it's like why don't we just hear the item and make a decision on it it just it seems out of order to me that to say to the applicant please come here and agree to something and then say well let's see what else the public thinks of it well Barbara you get two separate parties speaking one saying they're okay with it the other one's just hearing about it now it sounds like we've got a situation to go forward sounds we got a good situation go forward but just in case the representation of the other group which is a major group if they have an opposition to it because it is significant change it's two-thirds of the property now being zoned instead of just one piece I think it's I think it's reasonable to have the public to be able to speak at the next meeting and have a few things insist that is really

disturbing commissioner commissioner strike thank you with Seth um I think you have more like a good compromise for and I think that's brilliant and whoever thought of it good for you so I'm okay with you I'm not saying I have opposition 202 but there's no reason why to keep trying and he's probably taken off work I I'm I'm just okay Mr chairman if I could get David to weigh in he's because of the the way this is currently situated with a settlement agreement and yeah so I think you could close public comment um and you could vote to approve po1 you're gonna have to make sure it's clear on which dimensional standards you're approving but we have to can at least continue the item to fix the paperwork fix the resolution to fix the conditions and fix the settlement agreement it does all have to be modified to say po1 instead of what they say today can I answer your question yeah one you probably need to make that clear that it's p01 with the dimensional standards that Barbara has proposed because otherwise we're gonna have a fight next meeting about the dimensional standards yeah I don't want to do that that Jeremy thank you sir I don't want to lose what's going on right here right now so I'm comfortable with hearing what John say so if we if we can we can vote to approve po1 but essentially we'll come back a boat to like do a final ratification of it next board meeting is that what you're saying yes he would be voting to approve a new rezoning for po1 a new settlement agreement with po1 but to get the paperwork right we do need to know what the board's Direction is on the dimensional established because we got to fix all this paperwork to make it so that you can vote on some final approval of the next meeting so the the only just the only debate I heard between Miss wilhai okay Mr tomsu is about not about the use they appear to be an agreement on po1 uses the only disagreement I heard was about the dimensional standards I think Barbara's offer is to use the dimensional standards that that are in the what's before you today and what I believe we're consistent with what the DRC approved for the office building is that right Barbara so Barbara's asking that you proved the dimensional standards that the DRC already approved for these Office Buildings and that are before you today and that's at 35 percent Barbara do you want to I think something we're trying to craft a motion here right so now before we craft I want to bring it well I just want to hear I want to bring

up John and Chelsea too okay so the dimensional standards are set forth in on page 17 of your conditions and they talk about minimum front setback of 17.5 South property line minimum side setback East property line 7.5 feet minimum side setback West property line 7.5 feet maximum height 35 feet maximum lot coverage 50 total so those were very thoughtfully done and you wouldn't have them written that way if they weren't very thoughtfully laid out to the site plan that was already approved it's still valid I mean that's where they come from all right so if I could let me bring up Sean then Chelsea npds have different dimensional standards than what's allowed in the euclidean zoning District that's a fairly common request okay John thank you commissioner the PO the po1 offers the 35 if you go with the po2 it's the 50 I'm a novice at this so I keep hearing about the site plan that was approved back in 2001 or submitted in 2001 approved in 2002 with multiple updates every year after that as multiple phases were put in fourth um the biggest problem is you know the reason why we want to go with this and and finalize this forever is um you know we're afraid of those many main events that could pop up here with these new buildings it's already defined what the existing building is used for and that really is P1 or excuse me po1 but by utilizing the definition of po2 which all of the other office spaces are and that's why it's so easy on that letter e that reference calls out every office space is supposed to be po2 that's what their capabilities are but whenever it comes to this one we think that the right the best way to meet in the middle is po1 with the 35 and as far as the the thoughtfulness towards the development standards I get it however those are exactly what's documented inside the ldc5 20. 3 I believe but it's inside the land use code exactly what those dimensional standards are the website's really awesome because you can just go straight to the section that says what for the mid the permitted uses are what the dimensional standards are and 35 works out to be great because it preserves the trees that are on the exact existing lot it also makes use of the available space for parking if you put in the is that our administrator if you put on those two additional buildings you have the risk of the parking that's going to be affected I've already demonstrated and shown via the tutorial that or through the aerial picture that you know most of those spots get taken so we just don't have the space board sir so so bottom line are you okay with the 35 percent that's what you're asking for sir look at five percent all right thank you I'm sorry that's what the community's asking for okay I think you're present representing

20 30 people I want to talk to Chelsea next she can't speak on everybody's behalf but okay I'm going to talk to Chelsea next thank you there is a board meeting tomorrow so we would be able to address this tomorrow and I can email um Mr Goldstein and the school height we can get this paperwork finalized if it's and if everyone's in an agreement well the Sport's going to make a decision I think right now any way you can call somebody well I I can't because their Sunshine laws I can't just look and as an attorney I can't find my client without their consent that's just what are your thoughts from what you know from what I know um I know that there have been a number of residents who are in favor of po1 um in my opinion I would advise my clients that if it would be better than the settlement agreement that is proposed um today so that's my opinion on it but again I can't bind my client one way or the other today unfortunately okay motion to the board so I kind of get to rebut that because I'm the applicant but the dimensional standards are very important that are that I read out to you this doesn't work this compromise doesn't work without the dimensional standards that I read out to you that are in the MPD today and we're fine with changing the uses to get rid of all the uses except for the po1 thank you thank you so if we approve po1 we're not if we make a motion to go for with po1 we're not accepting the what I heard y'all wouldn't be accepting the full po1 terms you would be using po1 with your current approved what you have the the permitted uses for po1 would be what would be established for this mpud for this for this part which is what was described from the permitted uses what is Wilhite is talking about or the dimensional requirements of where she gets to build on the lot where her client gets to build a war okay all right well I'll make a motion too are we mending the settlement agreement to be able to settlement next what how do we apologize um I think the motion would be to approve an alternative rezoning for partial s12b to po1 uses and if we agree with Barbara would be with the dimensional standards that are currently in the MPD as opposed to the dimensional standards that are in po1 which are at 35 percent which the one the ones that are in the MPD are 50 maximum in the in the po1 district it's 35 percent

but we wouldn't be getting 35 percent you're getting the constant to get a conflict I'm sorry what was the question we would we would not be getting the 35 percent in this if you go with what Barbara has requested you would be getting 50 not 35 percent Lock Up Maximum lot coverage beginning po1 uses now I'm here in the community one thirty five percent Barbara's not agreeing to 35 percent no that community may want that but Barbara Barbara's offer compromise offer was for po1 uses and the dimensional standards that are in the MPD which is 50 lock covers not 35 law coverage but you don't have to go with that full 50 per se because it may not work it's a maximum right so they may end up doing less than that that's correct So based on the ability to park how the parking lot is configured and who owns what space is 50 may not be conducive yeah there may be other regulations that prevent them from Ever Getting to 50 they have to comply with stormwater regulations parking regulations landscape requirements so it's a maximum lock coverage they may never achieve it when you factor in all the other requirements of Our Land Development code okay well it seemed like a pretty decent deal on the table it's it's a little rescue where they're at 35 percent that's a little bit different the way I thought Barbara portrayed it but well it's either 35 or 50. correct the concession has been made to PO I will tell you that I've read all the emails that have come in on this issue every one of those emails was complaining about use I don't do not recall a single email where somebody was complaining about the dimensional standards proposed in this mpud the first time I heard there was an issue with dimensional standards was just now so every email that I've seen come in on this opposition it was complaining about the uses not the dimensional standards okay I find it interestingly John knew the 35 percent though well he read it from our code I mean it's not hard to know that that is the the maximum law coverage in the code but as I mentioned it's not uncommon you probably have approved multiple mpds in this County that have dimensional standards for office that are different than what's in po1 that is not uncommon in fact that's one of the main reasons developers go through the MPD process is they want different dimensional standards that are what are in the code this isn't MPD so that is perfectly perfectly permissible okay

so we're not this is a Buy It Now it's low height we're really 35 versus 50. yeah you know I'm telling you that we need you know 50 that's what whereas our dimensional standards are we already have an approved building we have approved site plan we have all these things so I mean I'd hate to see it I feel comfortable like David said all the emails that I considered and talked to my client about all talked about use our dimensional standards have been here they're in this document they've been in this document I didn't create anything they've been here they've been actually sitting here for a very long time um so I'd like for you to move forward but I also don't want you know well I might have some help for you okay the building that you have right now that we're going to look at today is that at 50 percent the one that's the parcel that we have right now is that building the way it was set up at 50 so there's three there's three buildings on that site plan the one the one parcel we're looking at of the three with the three buildings what coverage do they have they have the one parcel that we're looking at today I think with the actual construction eight so you're talking about the Crown's current building correct but it doesn't sit on its own I can't give you a coverage because it doesn't sit on its own when we create this part the dimension the same as what the other building is going to be the 50 law coverage is consistent with what those three buildings are already permitted already approved on your site plans on that site plan the county approves site plans so it's that's already that's already what you have you've already approved that but like I say this comes into play because we're still splitting and we're calling this its own parcel so it has to have its own dimensional standards and that's right so so the building that's built right now along that is at the same dimensions that's going to be built on the other buildings is that what you're trying to get trying to get the dimensions consistent with that plan that's approved for those three office bills which includes that one building's already built correct so they're all the same okay correct so okay that helps you that it does so I'll make a motion based on what Mr Goldstein has said uh to maybe maybe Mr Holden restate the motion for you the motion would be for to to alter the rezone request to for it to be po1 uses on parcel s12b with the dimensional standards that are proposed before you today in the existing MPD today and then we would continue the item until the next meeting in Dade City to redraft the resolution and redraft the settlement agreement to be consistent with that direction

that's my motion okay second second okay any further discussion royal couple district one commissioner Oakley aye District Two commissioner waitman aye District 3 commissioner Starkey aye District 4 commissioner Bradford District Five chairman Mariana aye Mr County attorney does this mean we're not going to do our 48th time but that'll come back that's right you would you would continue that to come back until August 22nd no August 8th second so yes second um any further discussion okay so within this process to be clear to understand so the county will be working with Seven Oaks Council and redrafting like what's the process of redrafting what we're talking about so I need to work with staff and Council for the applicant to redraft the zoning conditions and redraft the settlement agreement to make them consistent with po1 uses currently they all say that the long lists of recreation uses is within all the documents currently we have to remove all that and replace that with po1 uses okay and we have to do that in both the rezoning resolution and the settlement agreement which is why they both need to be continued okay and for that we have a motion to continue motion a second to continue our 48 Roll Call district one commissioner Oakley aye District Two commissioner Weightman aye District 3 commissioner Starkey aye District 4 commissioner Bradford District Five chairman Mariano aye and I'll go to p67 resolution of assessment liens of local Paving projects you said 67 chair yeah yeah 67. 67 is advertised in the Tampa Bay Times on June 14 2023. uh good afternoon Commissioners Caldwell Public Works and this is agenda item number pw2308 okay thank you obviously assessment and it's for the east side of the county which means it's east side of US-41 there were three Paving assessment projects eight streets 1.15 miles and there were 135 assessment notification letters mailed there were no written objections um in in summarizing both the east side and west side tax roll there were eight payment assessment projects 53 streets 9.62 Acres just over 1.32 million dollars in total assessment in terms of what's added to the tax bill this year it's a 311 952.67 cents um there were a total of uh one thousand into total assessment nullification letters mailed for written objections and those were on the west side and we responded to them and um in terms of the West Side approval of this tax filters on June 20th staff is recommending approval of this East Side tax roll any questions for staff

no problem correct no one signed up knowing a WebEx correct to the board if there's anyone in the public was anyone here in the public want to speak to this item see no one will close public comment move to approve second okay district one commissioner Oakley District yes district one commissioner Oakley said yes motion for approval I District Two commissioner Weightman aye District 3 commissioner Starkey aye District 4 commissioner Bradford District Five chairman Mariano hi you're going to 54 now is item p-54 to be heard right afterward will be p-68 does the board want to take a look a quick quick five minute break yeah we'll start in five minutes another break [Music] [Applause] [Music] foreign [Music] [Applause] [Music]

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oh yeah better from the right side hey hit it again could you please have your seats call the meeting back to order item p-54 Madam do we have proof we do Tampa Bay Times July 2nd 2023 and by Affidavit of site postings thank you uh good afternoon Amy tall with Planning and Development the item before you is the adoption hearing for the proposed comprehensive plan Amendment um in the name of uh CPA uh 22 I'm sorry oh one I think it is Resort plan development um so I will go ahead and read the ordinance into record uh an ordinance amending the Pasco County comprehensive plan providing for a large-scale comprehensive plan Amendment to the Future land use map 2-15 and Sheet 22 from res six residential six dwelling units per gross acre to PD plan development on approximately 420.37 Acres of real property located at the South located to the south of State Road 54 and east of service road and a text Amendment creating sub-area policy flew 7.1.66 Saddle Brook Resort and a map Amendment to the Future land use map 2-9 adding sub area map 2-966 Saddlebrook Resort and priding providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for a repealer severability and an effective date so we'll go ahead and go through the presentation um again this is the adoption hearing the proposal is a comprehensive plan Amendment from res six residential six dwelling units progress acre to PD plan development to allow for the revitalization of an existing golf course and tennis courts or Golf and Tennis courses as well as mixed juice multi-family development along State Road 54. the location is south of State Road 54 and east of the service road and again there is an Associated sub-area policy in the name of Siberia policy flu 7.166 creating the Saddlebrook Resort PD sub-area and Associated subarian map 2-9 there is also an accompanying rezoning petition that will be heard alongside this proposed amendment so the site's currently located in the South market area in urban service area here is your aerial view of the proposed PD flu of where where it will be located here is the visual identifying the existing land use or future land use being res six surrounded by res six and the proposed future land use of PD plan development the applicant has submitted a sub-area plan to run alongside the PD flu classification within the sub-area plan there are four different areas identified area one uh being located to the West Side so area one area two area three being the internal and then area four being um your golf course area so we'll go into some detail there this is the proposed MPD conceptual plan you will also see this in the mpud presentation

as well but it provides a little bit more detail for those areas so the proposed conceptual plan and this I apologize that this will be repetitive between the comp plan and the mqd so I'll try to fly through this as best as I can proposed area one is proposed as a mixed use trip reduction measure much from Project proposed area one is including um see 75 000 square feet of commercial office or commercial retail office 465 dwelling units multi-family and 35 dwelling units of town homes in this area as you can see there's also a vision Road Extension identified that the applicant and the MPD conditions of approval will discuss further about the construction and extension from State Road 54 to Wiregrass Area 52 Development Area 2 will include a 25 000 square feet proposed office retail commercial component as well as 120 dwelling units in this area this area is not act not intended to act as part of the Saddlebrook Resort Community but more so on on its own additionally and again this will be also represented in the MPD the applicant has submitted I did submit your doc U documents via email earlier today and I'll move to receive and file it along the mqd to show that there is a proposed connection located at the intersection of Van Dyne and State Road 54. they have an alignment proposed and updated conditions of approval to speak to that component as well and the proposed sub-area plan as identified here so this is showing area three and four area three and four being your yellow area area three and four is intended to act as the tennis and pickleball courts uh with other similar outdoor racket Sports as well as area 3B so that was 3A is going to be your yellow area 3B is going to be your Resort itself with a clubhouse restaurant a cart born maintenance etc those are all set forth in the sub-area plan additionally area four there was a restrict there were areas in the restricted restricted area for that speaks to the golf course Renovations and reduction of golf course holes to 27 holes the proposed amendment is uh is proposing to relocate the driving range from area one which is in its current location being at the Southwest or the northwest corner of the Saddlebrook Resort area on the entrance to the southeast Corner as you see here they're proposing to relocate the driving range in the proposed sub-area plan as well as the MPD conditions of approval the golf course is intended to act or be maintained as a golf course and Associated facilities only there will be no other changes to that outside of the use of the golf course and the facilities so the proposed amendments consisted with the following comprehensive plan policies and with that we recommend you approve the proposed comprehensive plan Amendment and adopted by a roll call vote

I'd be happy to answer any questions you may have Amy um you sent us the other night a we just got the new plan for the new golf course layout correct um that was just a proposed just to be clear that was uh the proposal for a pre-up that's scheduled for next week so it could change but that's just what they're they have submitted for the pre-application for next week yeah thank you any questions for staff do they up again good afternoon Barbara Wilhite 6327 Grand Boulevard for the applicant we dressed alike today I guess I can feel this time for a moment but um we do have some things for the record that I've already given to the clerk one being the PowerPoint presentation you're about to see the second thing being the transportation comprehensive plan Transportation needs assessment documents um that are in the County's file nothing new that the county doesn't have I've given those to the clerk if you would receive and file before I forget about them in a second yeah roll call vote district one commissioner Oakley aye District Two commissioner Whiteman District 3 commissioner Starkey aye District 4 commissioner Bradford Commissioners have had districts sorry hold on Barbara and then District Five chairman Mariana thank you as you can see here we've been at this for a while we've had quite a bit of community outreach um and that's the the listing of the 31 plus meetings seven Town Hall meetings 15 meetings with three different groups since your boccc hearing on two seven we have reached an agreement with the Saddlebrook Condo Association board of directors they represent 657 unit owners and they have formally approved the private restrictive covenant between the association of my clients the agreement that sets forth my clients obligation to record this restrictive covenant upon approval assuming approval here and that becoming effective was signed by mast and the condo association yesterday so assuming the psalmers forward and this becomes effective that Community will be protected forever from the ability of what has happened in many other places where a golf course is converted to a to a non-residential use or another residential use other than golf or open space at each public hearing we send out a thousand notices probably reach about 2 000 people we do that each time for every hearing and we update them with plans and narratives so they can see exactly what we're doing I just described the public the private restrictive covenants why are we requesting to amend the comp plan we are not the complaint amendment is

not needed for the town homes or the apartments we can seek those under the comp plan as it exists today the current multi-family the current comprehend that comprehensive plan maximum of 1779 residential units those could be single-family townhomes and are multi-family the compliment amendment is needed to allow for the resort and commercial retail office uses because the current residential land use conflicts with these uses the other thing this comp plan does is overly restricts my client but we're agreeable to that and we volunteered to do that to ourselves so we took a land use that would allow 1779 residential units including units from a comp plan perspective on the golf course and restricted those units off of the golf course not only through the comprehensive plan but also also through that private deed restriction are there existing entitlements under the mpud yes and they're listed there walking Village Lakeside Village Fairway Village and Commercial hundred thousand square feet so if you look at what's remaining in the MPD and what we're proposing it's an increase of 378 units The Binding sub-area plan have never done a binding sub-area plan this was my first and I'll say there's many firsts when it comes to this project and the paperwork on what we've done but this is our required PD concept plan it's called a PD summary plan because it's binding it sets forth where new primary juices can be located talks about the sets forth the maximum density's intensities for area one and two and it limits the new development areas 3A and 3B and it restricts area four which is the current Golf Course the sub-area plan that you're considering with with this action on the comp plan updates since your transmittal hearing since you're transmittal hearing your staff sent the amendment to the Department of Economic Opportunity and Department of Economic Opportunity reviewed it in advised they didn't have any comment that letter was received on May 5th as agreed the transmittal hearing there was some confusion about our version of restricted area number four and so we made sure like we said we would make sure the 27 hole golf course languages and restricted area four we said we would do that we made sure that it's been carried through the documents this is this is um Development Area one has been described by um by your staff what I want to talk about with regard to Development Area one is that how it fits into context Development Area one is set forth on State Road 54 which is which is a major arterial roadway but not only that it also is next to your vision road and in your documents that we gave you up at the bias there is a map this is just a piece of that parallel Vision system up there this map here this is here shows you what this

actually is going to be and you're talking about a major parallel Road and where the red piece on here so we're like the missing leg um Wiregrass is only obligated to do the um Vision Road H up until Wiregrass Boulevard so so not only are we at 54 we're actually at a major intersection traffic will come from Hillsborough County when when the road's finished come by our project and then up all the way to State Road 52 as you can see on this exhibit the other thing that's kind of significant too is that we were not only the we're not only prepared for not only going to do the missing leg the Wiregrass doesn't have to do but we're also the missing right-of-way because normally you would split the right away for such a Road between two Property Owners but because of the alignment of where Vision Road H will continue North it needs to be on my client's property so we're not only the missing leg on wiregrass's property but we're the missing right-of-way on my class probably about five acres of property to achieve that Vision Road and to get it lined up so it can continue to go north and continue your vision all the way up to 52 State Road 52. and this is the missing length going through Wiregrass of your vision Road the other thing I wanted to point out is the buffering the natural buffering that occurs between area one and the existing Community you can see the acreages there the existing wooding area on the west side of Saddlebrook way about 20 acres and on the east side 2.77 so quite a bit of existing buffering it's also that's important to context when you're looking at compatibility and density and intensity suburb this is the developmentary one it's a Village Center mud room um 75 000 square feet of commercial retail Town Homes multi-family multi-family has to be located behind the non-residential I would say that the fud changes the town home number but we were under strict do not change paperwork so the comp plan still has the 35 Town Homes because we couldn't change the paperwork we can certainly if that's the board's pledge or change the paperwork to be consistent with the mpud about the number of town homes what happened with the town homes was when we were asked that Planning Commission to do a specific enhanced buffer plan for Saddlebrook way my client took a look at the concept plan took a look at the Town Homes and one of the questions we were asked of what is our buffering going to be for town homes that back up directly back up to Saddle Brook Way so not asked by planning I should not ask by staff but looking at it and coming up with the best buffering plan for Saddlebrook way we've eliminated those units so those town homes that would have backed up to Saddlebrook way are now gone and those

will be additional Green Space as well as Landscaping Development Area 2 town homes and commercial retail office Town Homes being behind the commercial retail consistent with your policies of how you want to see development along State Road 54 you don't want to see the residential on 54 you want to see it behind non-residential uses which is the same thing that we're doing over in Development Area one area 2 is being added to the boundary and our only access will be to and from State Route 54. we made sure that um pursuant to the request of the community that we have no bike ped or vehicular connection to Saddlebrook Resort to our South and as stated by staff we were asked to last week late last week by your County Administrator to take a really close look to see if area 2 could be um developed in a manner that it would have access to the signalized intersection and not be a write-in and write out and we did that work over the weekend your staff reviewed it over the weekend and we wrote a condition with the county attorney's office and your staff yesterday so our access from that Development Area too will be at the signalized intersection existing signalized intersection no we're inviting them right out area 3A and 3B are areas where we're going to be limited in what we do in 3A as well as 3B that's the purpose of this is again to limit ourselves in our comp plan this is the language for 3A the language for 3B restricted area four again we're taking on your comprehensive plan which allows envisioned residential development development in all of area restricted area four and we're restricting it to golf course and open space and the restrictive covenant even goes further because early on we started working with residents and groups of residents in their Council because there's actually Council that were engaged by the condo Resort condo association they said not good enough to do that because it only takes three boats to undo it so that's where my client stepped up and I've never seen this before in all of my career a client who would restrict their property through a restrict private restrictive covenant they're committed to do what they say and if it's not actions speak louder than words and the action of signing that agreement yesterday regarding the descriptive Covenant is an action that speaks louder than words restricted area four language has been reviewed before these are the renderings for the entrance this is the Village Center all the things we've always aspired for for a project to do and to bring a Village Center a well designed place

you have to to have a specialty retail in the place where we all want to go eat on a Saturday night in our entertainment you have to have density they support each other there's a reason why you see a development pattern which we hear is not your preferred pattern where we just see strip public plazas and out Parcels with China Express and all and Taco Bell and those types of things because they're serving Regional traffic there's not enough density and proximity to those use to those retail uses to be anything other than traffic oriented and Regional oriented so for this to be successful it needs the density and that's why it's been proposed as it is we get criticized for not changing it but if you change it you don't have it it won't be that place it won't be the mud room that the county has has asked for us to do again another rendering these are renderings for this project these are not inspirational these were done by the developer for what they intend to do and this is surrendering the town homes now you think this rendering has two sides by the time it was done our area one had two sides but they took off all of the ones on the left side in our concept plan so there'll only be town homes on one side some green space on the Green Space and Landscaping and buffing around the other and with that um thank you I we do have a presentation on the MPD I don't know how you ultimately want to hear them some of the more details that you probably want to hear are the mpud but we've had to keep a consistent comp plan in MPD because I didn't know how you want to hear it um close the board I think we have a public comment on both items both ways so we want to have both of them back to back or just do one get input and then come back again for the uh and Beauty after the two I mean they're separate they're going to be different arguments to each one so I would perform from a legal standpoint I would prefer you take them separately but if there is something in that you think would persuade you one way or another in the zoning because you want it that you want to hear about but I okay it's just clearer if you if you just do the lane this is a ped Prince of plan Amendment you've got a certain amount of detail in it hear it hear your public comment on it so let's let's do it that way and we'll give you time to rebut as well as the staff to robot I've seen the application I mean I've seen the other presenters and they have separate PowerPoints so well it'd probably be easiest for all of you but uh so we all have in front of us rule 10 under public comment I would ask the county of attorney to read 10.3 be happy to um

the chairman shall request public comment from speakers in order which they their name appears on the list an individual speaker shall be given three minutes to present his his or her comments to the board for public hearing items persons who have been authorized in writing to represent an organization with five or more members or groups of five or more persons shall be entitled to speak for up to 15 minutes without interruption provided that others in that organization waive their time in in the written authorization on approval by the chairman or majority vote of the board a speaker's time may be extended hearings on zoning and other quasi-judicial matters shall be conducted in accordance with rule 10 rule 12.1 in the same manner as such hearings have been conducted in the past and um so I have been asking and asking the attorney representing Coalition for the members of the Coalition but um attorney's office has asked we've asked I've got nothing except that she represents a group so we don't have and so our requirements here say that it's supposed to be an authorized and writing to receive five minutes or more or anyone or anyone speaking for a group these are our rules so you know I don't understand the reluctance to give us the names of the people in the group um but I just wanted to bring this to your attention Okay so to help the board with that and I'll intro for you um the people she represents are afraid of Retribution they wanted to remain secret why because they're going to speak the quality of life so having said that they asked when they signed up to be able to remain anonymous to go forward so for that reason is why they're not giving you that's why I give an argument in writing from someone they they don't sign it so I mean you got something but it means nothing that I would say okay well I'm going to say the the list of people that wanted extra time I'm gonna I'll go through them Mr Swope has spoken before Andrew Pines and his wife and their kids had spoke before she's not feeling well um he wanted to speak he actually sent an email yesterday I don't have him on no he didn't make he didn't make the list but he did ask me and his wife was not sure if she was going to be able to come or not so I said well if you can't come um I'll get you six minutes um well couldn't we couldn't we do this we could ask him not to take 10 minutes because well if they're bringing to us what we've heard already two and three times we don't need to rehash that we want to see where we are today because there's a lot of things changed since the other times we've spoken I I think what we're going to hear is be a lot of changes I

mean all of a sudden when the Planning Commission didn't get a presentation on the golf course they've now submitted to Amy heiler which sent to us that they've now submitted what the golf course is going to be we've been looking for the renovation program for how many months now about a year seven months that we we heard it was coming from before that it was just submitted last night at 5 30. even though it was that they did July 7th so evidently they're holding stuff back for us to get last second so we can see them all disjointed I'm just trying to make it where these people that our lives are going to be dramatically changed get a chance to be heard so I got Andrew Pines for six minutes Mr Swope for five minutes Patrick Hogan he's going to have a presentation about what could have been done instead Jane Hagan the attorney Larry Barbara he's spoken a few times his wife doesn't want to speak he's going to speak and that's just for item 54. the next one will be p58 uh Andrew again he may not need his full time Andrew Pines Patrick Hogan just needs five minutes here 10 minutes uh for Jane and then uh 10 more minutes for Larry and they may not take it all but they wanted to have it and I never held back on the applicant to get all the time she wanted as well and I won't hold it back from her bottle either so I just want to get it open we're here it's early let's get the dialogue going let's talk it through because it's very it's been very disjointed across the board because that's that's what we're here for I'm okay with the three minutes for each one other than Jane even though she didn't submit the names she can get extended time but I'm not okay with giving everyone just arbitrary extra time okay so I'm asking the other two board members if you'll grant them the time well you've already said what you wanted to do oh I'm sorry I'm sorry sorry Gary sorry commissioner Bradford there so with that said I'd like to give everyone as as it's on the list to give them the uh time to talk to each item as listed here you want an opinion I need I need a motion well that one hour I talked about earlier is it up Mr chairman yes based on your rules you you granted the time okay I would not take the time away all right so we're going with it okay if you all want to talk about how you do this in the future we can do that in all business very good thank you thank you thank you okay um so do you want me to call an order online Jane who wants to come up first foreign address for the record yes good afternoon commission my name is Jane Graham attorney and founder of sunshine city law 737 Main Street Suite 100 Safety Harbor I do represent the save Saddlebrook Coalition of Florida non-profit open to individual residents and homeowner associations within the

Saddlebrook Resort Community which includes both Fairway Village and the Saddle Brook Property Owners Association as well as 120 over 120 individual property owners we have appreciated the opportunity to work with mass and today you're here this is your final decision this is big picture and specifics and so we want to walk you through things and we will not be duplicating the same presentation as before we appreciate the extra time and we're going to make this go fast first of all I'd like to talk about something that I just learned five minutes ago that apparently there's now going to be a signal and in front of development area too now we have had meetings with the county staff who had said that they end Mast as well who said one of the reasons you can't shift density from Development Area one to two is because there wasn't a light so this is something that we think should be looked at perhaps you would be able to shift some density from Development Area one to two that's something that's new information I think you should take that into account the second thing that we just heard which is different from what I had known is that yesterday and I I do want to compliment Miss wilheit I've really appreciated the opportunity to work with her I'd asked her if the restrictive covenant had been signed she sent the companion agreement but not the actual restrictive covenant so if the restrictive covenant has been signed at this point that's news to me and that that would be good but we've yet to actually see that so for this future land use math Amendment this is a legislative decision what does that mean this is your last opportunity to decide on the future of Saddlebrook and remember you can make any decision on this based on what's not arbitrary and capricious the county has a strong public purpose to renovate Saddlebrook and keep it as a unique tourist facility an economic driver in the area the amendment as you all know replaces the driving range with 465 Apartments now 25 town homes and Retail as a cascading effect the driving range will be relocated to the golf course and the golf course will need to be rearranged and reduced to 27 holes this result will impact the quality and profitability of the resort now the optimal solution would be to maintain 36 poles of golf now we do understand that we've had many conversations and the restrictive covenant is 27 but we do just want you to understand that the optimal solution would be 36 holes and if there are alternatives to still consider we think you should keep an open mind why does this matter there are comprehensive plan sections and policies that require the promotion of Tourism expansion and so keep this in mind this is this is important now speaking about what are what's new from when we last spoke about this this was sent up to the state state agency's

and Deo looked at it they sent it back now you're still missing information that you actually are supposed to have by law based on Florida's statute you need to have the future land use plan Amendment based on survey studies and data involving these various items there were no comments received by from fire and emergency when you first voted on it there were no comments and today there's still no comments on it meanwhile it is in the news that fire is under stress in Pasco County on top of that there are impacts to police and actually in your agenda item you do see a comment from the um from Mr Chase Daniels regarding the stress on Pasco County Sheriff's Office I'm also including and I'm going to provide you a copy of this a memorandum from 2021 from Sheriff noko about just how stressed a multi-family development can cause what that can cause on the county infrastructure and I mean here's the quote here similar to what I hear about your County Services the sheriff's office has a difficult job keeping up with the current demand for services that our current citizens ask for and deserve quickly approving multi-family developments only exacerbates the problem as many of you know who sat up here several years ago you did have an apartment moratorium now that moratorium the boundaries were outside of where Saddlebrook is that's true it's not exactly where it is but it's very close if you look at the map and it only expired um in 2022 where this is still you know an ongoing issue and again it's the burden on um to have information that shows that this that this housing is actually supportable as far as the apartments versus having things like Town Homes you know people being able to purchase have you know have their ownership experience another issue I wanted to mention and I know I'm running out of time is where's the green space this is the updated um project which you know we we are grateful that there were some town homes that were turned into Green Space we think that that's good however I mean I think ultimately if you look at all the parking in the multi-family area that looks like that's really a big issue and and perhaps maybe Town Homes should be relocated somewhere else and we thought I'm also going to provide you a copy from Southwest Florida Water Management District which I don't know I do not see in your your information that had been provided it was a letter from May 1st in regards to the the amendment that said that you know based on the environmental aspects of this there should be clustering development in Upland areas retaining naturally vegetated areas and preserving previous I think they mean pervious surface areas this is also important based on the PD land use that you are approving it's you know taking away Recreation areas disrupting the golf course which actually is exactly the opposite of what

flew to a asks for to create flexible and creative site design and sites for recreation providing an area-wide benefit for the community I've already gone through these multiple inconsistencies with the comprehensive plan I'm not going to talk about that again I think that you have that information already density and use I mean all of this said because of the strain on infrastructure we do urge you to look at what options there are to continue to reduce density in Development Area one um and focusing development again on the core of the resort to the best extent of your abilities this is known as a mudroom project which is supposed to be mixed use promoting interconnected compact development my client is very much in favor of that I think the question is how does it play out throughout the whole Resort they would like to see other options that still have more within the core instead of outside at the periphery again the density is too high ultimately what are we asking you to do for this future land use we want you to prioritize Saddlebrook Resort's unique role it's elite athletic facility we know that it needs to be refurbished we want to ensure that the new development is compatible and supported by the infrastructure the Coalition wants to be a good neighbor and make sure that this is that everyone flourishes in the future as you're looking at this today and before you even get to the mpud you really need to ask yourself how is this going to work what impact is this going to have on the golf course which could have a cascading effect on the tourism on the quality of the resort on the types of uses that can happen under internal circulation on the Green Space which I will get into with more about the dimensions by the way if this goes to the MPD because that is an interesting conversation but while you're looking at this now just really ask yourself what can we do to make this a little bit better we have truly appreciated the opportunity to work with Mast we have made a lot of Headway the restricted Covenant is a great step in the right direction as I said optimally there would still be 36 holes in the golf course because that would keep that would not force you to restructure things and again you know this new information about the signal at Development Area too I mean we just have not seen anything about that that's completely new information that's fantastic if that's true because that could open up some opportunities to shift density or come up with some more Creative Solutions so we do urge you to to have these conversations and see what can be done thank you very much and also I have um some documents for the for the record um I have a letter which was emailed and then I also have a number of things that are copied I actually the letter

includes both comments on The Flume and the mpud so I mean I could put it in now for the MPD whatever you like emotions district one commissioner Oakley aye District 2 commissioner Whiteman District three commissioner Starkey hi District Four commissioner Bradford District Five chairman Mariano hi it's like Mr Swift next um you mentioned something about interior traffic right and that you wanted to lessen the interior traffic so how far away from the Gulf Clubhouse area is the driving range well this is what I would say I'm they're going to be some other speakers who will really discuss what that means as far as internal traffic now the driving range right now is up um on 54. it's very far away from the center of the golfing area correct it's not near where you tee off on one or nine that's right and I think that Pat Hogan will be able to really explain that a lot more than we're members of golf course and my son's members of a couple and I've been to many golf courses and typically the driving range is right near the clubhouse and where you start to golf and I know my kids when they want to go golfing and they want to loosen up and start at the driving range they don't have to drive all the way through a community to get to the driving range and then drive back so I just thought it was interesting and you said you wanted to you you thought this word you talked about internal traffic right so the internal traffic is um less about the function of the golf course and more about during events and um kind of how things actually play out just for the residents for anything involving golf I will definitely defer to Mr Patrick Hogan who is you know he has the expertise in that so I I can't claim to speak to so so any any of the increased density that's proposed outside um are they automatically members of Saddle Brook sorry why why does increased density outside of the gates of Saddle Brook translate into increased driving in Saddle Brook because of the way that it's been reconfigured and I think that you'll see um how there will be some people kind of moving in and out of the um the entrance way but that's something so are you saying that the residents don't want any outside traffic coming into Saddlebrook no absolutely not and I think that the residents do understand that and it's it's something that they can testify to as far as you know how this actually plays out um now there is the vision road which you know that will have a big help um but you know what we would maintain is that you don't necessarily need the vision road if you didn't have that increase of density right on area one to begin with

well I I don't understand how something outside of Saddlebrook where they're not members of Saddlebrook increases traffic within Saddlebrook that's just what I'm struggling right and we'll have some people that will speak to that because they'll they'll talk about how it actually functions um right yeah I think the access if they have access to go from the apartments to go to the gate to the right that's all those trips are going that way so if that access is that way which I think it is they're going to go that way even with the vision Road built what's going to happen is those people going if they're going to go let's say to 75 they're going to both Division Road they're going to go up there either take a right turn and cross three lanes real quick and do a U-turn coming back outside not within someone because I've heard people I know just let's just listen to me all the way through they're going to do either do that turn motion or they're going to go to the gate where they go to light take a left turn and be protected and go all the way through and I think they're saying that that traffic is what they're talking about in the resort is really by the gate coming up by the light at the light coming because they're going to go through the internal part to get to the gate in Saddlebrook to go be able to get the light to be able to take a left to go up and that's what the concern is thank you any other questions okay so the next individual signed up is Keith Swope he's got five minutes oh okay yes you are correct hi my name is 5066 Fox Drive um I really bought Saddlebrook in 1980. I built my house in 85. we bought we were told there was 18 holes there but the resort was going to buy it I was worried about the traffic at that time I was told don't worry about it because we don't have to wait to go to the street they would not be using our road they had their own access so they would be that music and there's a resort opened that we went from construction gate we were making it up didn't happen we never got to use it they never use it uh one of the important things about Saddlebrook is it was a peaceful quiet lifestyle the teacher Charleston Highway and see for yourself the match traffic on Highway 54. it looks it looks like that's gonna be changed now and that's not going to be for the better uh to myself I'm sorry you've been shown the traffic problems in the front gate everything has been shown it happens Resort is empty but I've been there when the door was packed I've been there when you could

not pull into Saddlebrook I've been there whenever event was going on and there was a couple of blocks backed up down 54 because you couldn't get in you could not turn it in there but we didn't have a lightning a lot of times but you couldn't you couldn't pull in or out one of the things that I don't think anybody's aware of who has not been talking about in any three years I've been talked about when a resort is active and they have an event they don't have barking their Resort has no parking at all and what they have to do was the parking lots they have to put back from over in front of my house to the other parking lots which you're going to lose with that Vision road now so they're not going to have any parking at all for the when they run the resort at The Division Road in apartments I'm doing myself way off and I'm sorry here Road as I understand I just heard is going to be on Saturday property that is the main you want to do two Highway 52. they're planning on having a four-lean road there for that that's going to be the new Bruce B downs Bruce B Downs is what five six Lanes now if you've seen the intersection at Hawaii 56 and Bruce B Downs you've got eight Lanes there you think you have enough property for that Vision Road on those eight Lanes what are you going to do knock the apartments down to put the vision Road in because you're not they're not going to be able to put on there so there's not you can't Jam pack it in there like they're talking about doing you're talking about putting all those apartments they're talking about putting quality Apartments have you seen the apartments going on Breezy Downs they're four-story they're sticking stock up they're pliable on the outside I've been by there I'm at roofing business I know wood that goes rotted none of it's been covered it's been raining every day that's going to ride out before it gets built there's nothing quality about that if that's what they're building if they're going to build quality build two or three stories Bill block s put a tile roof on it build it nice and so I throw myself off I got got nervous about this I don't do this very often but I've been there for 40 years and in the 40 years I've been there I've seen a lot of things happen and um we've always had a fight with Mr Dempsey quite honestly we had Mr Jesse was there they were going to build a access road for us never built it you know we had we got stuck with that we wanted to put a speed up because all the drunks were coming from Saddle Brook and we went to a speed bump in we tried to get him in County stop this said we can't put a speed bump in uh we wanted to put a light in for four or five years we wouldn't put a light in

Mr Dempsey would not let us put a rock light in because he fought with the county and the counties took up for it the only way we got a light in was to give Mr Dempsey like one and a quarter million dollars to re-rebuild the front interest away and then he rolled over and said okay you have a light we have not been able to get anything as people pass ever everything's always for the big money now it's with the big money again we're just asking for a little help thank you thank you okay the next individual is Patrick Hogan thank you uh Pat Hogan 30304 Laurelwood Lane Wesley Chapel and I've been sworn in I'm on the board of directors of Fairway Association I'm also a member of the safe saddle coalition today I'm speaking to you as an owner in Saddlebrook as well when you go to the Saddlebrook website you're invited to dream and play at Saddlebrook Resort on one of our two honor Palmer signature signature courses polymer name is worth mentioning as it carries weight in the minds of golfers there's an expectation of quality Arnold is considered the King of gold he had a hand in designing the courses they're prior to the legacy of Saddlebrook with the plans that are before you today the polymer name will disappear from any future any future saddlebook marketing so will two uh 18 hole golf courses at Saddle work under the mass plan there will be three nines or three half courses of any golf who will tell you because playing nine is only playing half around and speaking to you today to introduce an idea that could perhaps save the 18 hole courses at Saddlebrook the current plan for the the apartment complex over the driving range you've all heard that already consequently the driving rate is going to be relocated so we've all been through that however if you look at this another way the way the way everybody went at it so far was uh okay we want to use the driving range where we're going to put the driving range we look around Saddlebrook there's no spots for it let's take some holes out let's put a driving range in there instead of doing that let's go the other way where we're going to put the apartments maybe leave the driving range where it is and that's what I put up on the map here right now now I'm not I don't have I had a graphic artist work with me who happens to work for us and we put this together quickly yesterday so instead of the apartment buildings facing the the 54 the apparent buildings are facing the Division Road that are going to happen there what we did is we tried to be as close as we could I can't say that the everything is exactly the scale there

but as you can see the apartment buildings will fit in there if you change the use of the apartment buildings to uh mid-rise multi-use you can see what happens now the uh the plants um the sketch shows the apartment buildings are located on the current footprint of the maintenance buildings so we haven't ripped down any trees we haven't affected the the wetlands we haven't done anything like that so I'm just suggesting that there is another plan here that hasn't been considered yet and with this plan you can see that the driving range stays stays there 18 holes of golf stay there there's many many benefits here and I can have a small list of 16 here that I came up with one is that there's less impact and more compatibility with the existing neighborhood of Saddlebrook the sense of arrival at Saddlebrook stays the same the golf experience stays the same there's two 18 whole Palmer courses there tournaments can be still hosted at Saddlebrook you go down to three nines 27 holes it's difficult to have a tournament and also have members and a Golf Academy have access to tease potential golf Revenue stays the same he's still working with 218 whole courses the development of the of the apartment complex is no longer tied to the construction of two driving of relocating the driving range and renovating the holes not getting into the mpud there a little bit but that's still part of the impact of it that's number seven number eight construction on the new compartment complex can start immediately you don't have to wait for to renovate the course or anything go number nine golf Renovations can be time to maximize your impact on the golf experience so take certain holes out of play and a slow season renovate them and put them back in so that we have a full complement for the high season the overall project time for for all the construction can be compressed number 12 the apartments can be built with even more floors without detracting from the natural beauty of Saddlebrook because if you look at that and Miss wilheit mentioned that though I think it was 22 Acres of Green Space there between there and the in the residents of Saddlebrook that stays intact that's all there so we're actually moving it more into an area that's even further buffered um Wetlands on the Southeast corner of the resort will not have to be torn up and relocated to relocate the driving range traffic from the apartment complex has concentrated only on the vision Road right now with the current plan there is an access from the apartment buildings to the what we call the Y entrance into Saddle Brook you can see that hang on a minute I don't I don't even know how to run this oh there we go well

oh I maybe shouldn't I should have practiced a bit there you go back up at any rate there we are if you look in the top right hand corner you can see where the townhouses stay there you can see there's a note for townhouses on the platted uh with 25 dwelling units there is an entrance there in the in the proposals will lose an entrance there and that's what causes the traffic issues because a lot of traffic that's going to go East they're going to go out that entrance and that'll stop the entrance and even yesterday when I was uh driving around the course uh you know certainly the low season there was eight carriers waiting for the light there as it is right now oh the plan the plan also adds a service entrance down where the red line is you can see there's also a service entrance that's in the mass that mass plant that's a service for service vehicles to keep it out of um out of the normal traffic coming in there and lastly the membership could be offered to the apartment residents so they can enjoy uh Saddlebrook as well so there's many other benefits I'm sure that's just uh 16 that I happen to come up with with the help of my wife I offer the plant this plant hasn't has an alternative to the current plan changes to a plants often come at an inopportune time which this is here we are at the adoption hearing and you got some somebody that comes up with and a light bulb went out you know so I worked with uh with commissioner uh Mariano with on this plan and um and it seems like you know it's a final hour but here's the plan here's an alternative Saddlebrook deserves a plan that preserves the legacy of the golf course the legacy of the golf course excuse me of the Saddlebrook Resort is with two Arnold Palmer courses in my opinion it's a win-win-win for all involved thank you Pat um just for the record I did meet with Pat over the phone um actually remember in person met with Larry met with Jane other Coalition members as well so I've had constant communication whenever I get ideas this idea come up after actually I left Sunday from the resort and kind of draw it the service where I go you know let me go take a look at this so I kind of drove it down took a video of it and said you know what let's take a shot let's take a look I I salute you to reach out to your friends to draw this thing up and and come up with the way you did so great work thank you thank you all right the next individual signed up is Larry barbetta Larry's gonna wait we're going to be going to wait yeah okay then Andrew Pines six minutes it's a heck of a picture you brought

today [Laughter] I'll teach commissioner Bradford not showing up you're in the spotlight commissioner Bradford he said that was a great picture they brought today all right thank you thank you for this opportunity this week my name is Andrew Pines I live at 5249 Saddlebrook way I am have been sworn in uh I am a resident in Saddlebrook I'm a condo owner I'm on the HOA board for the spoa I'm an active member uh with this safe saddle book Coalition and I've been involved with the negotiations with mass capital um as we talked about there's a huge development already happening in Wesley Chapel 24 multi-family complexes 7 000 units in and around the area eight of them within just a one or two minute drive already from Saddlebrook 2300 units already planned haven't even been occupied yet uh this is what you're asking about as far as internal traffic problems today we have congestion in there but the proposal today is asking to do is little literally double the number of residents at Saddlebrook we want over 500 units they're not even 500 homes in Saddlebrook today so they want to double the overall density but 500 in that small space while I commend them and while they've shown incredible beautiful renderings my biggest concern is that everyone in Wesley Chapel is going to want to come eat here shop here hang out here imagine the resort flourishing which is the intention of all this is to save Saddlebrook bring the resort back up to it's Heyday that place gets busy as Keith pointed out there's no parking the Resort's flourishing everyone's shopping and you have 500 new residential units all in here adding another Lane is not going to solve this problem it's actually going to make the exponential problem which also goes not just to traffic issues but safety issues as you heard from as you saw as they pointed out from the sheriff Emergency Services a huge nightmare could literally happen the worst case scenario when people are trying to get in and out of the resort in and out of shopping and restaurants and you know another 500 homeowners forget about us who already lived there we can't we wouldn't be able to evacuate should we needed to the the New Vision Road really is just there to solve the problem that they're creating but the truth is they said it's mostly for service Vehicles so it might help a little bit but the problem we're talking about here is Way Beyond what the service road will be able to solve for um commissioner Mariano pointed out that they really haven't solved for the flow of the traffic coming in and out of their major rigs would still have to try to u-turn on the 54. they really haven't proven how the traffic issue is really going to be solved when you're forced to turn right onto the 54 coming out of

there you know we see this all the time already internally again to the point of this is our life now I mean and construction hasn't even begun yet and they are also their route for all this additional is going to be right next to the school I mean all the poor students that are there are going to be seeing big rigs flying through here every day literally on the road you know feet from where they go to school every day and where they're expected to walk to school but those of us who walk are dogs ride our bikes around the Saddlebrook Loop this is what we're going to be living with this is what we're dealing with just to you know support another you know the huge development in area one that they want I don't need to rehash any of this and this is pictures of existing traffic I had a video it shows how much traffic there is today um you know at the end of the day it just it doesn't work they haven't proven that there's not going to be a major impact on the safety the traffic flow the existing residents our investment as homeowners and people who live there and already make this our home it just doesn't work and please as it's just shown to you there are other proposals there are other opportunities that can certainly look at density issues we can look at solving some of these problems it just we need a little bit more time to get there I'm going to stop here thank you for your time look forward to speaking on the mpud a whole separate issue around the condos as well too so I'll wait for that I'll save the time thank you okay then I'm going to call the next two individuals signed up first is Nancy Foster then Barbara thurberg foreign ER 5485 Saddlebrook way I'm the first house when you come in I've talked to you about that so I will be very effective by what is going on and I believe I showed you that before that my house is right over here and then the gate's going to be moved closer to my house here I notice that the ponds are here and they're putting in a swimming pool and a clubhouse here so then I have this kind of noise level coming through so that is a concern to me because I didn't move there in order to have this happening so what I have here the benefits of living next door to the golf range now Serene entrance I know they're putting a buffer in I do not know if that buffer is going to be sufficient to have that you know feeling when you come into Saddle Brook of calmness uh traffic flow going by my house everybody has to go by my house to come in and that has increased immensely can only hear the Ping of the golf ball club now I'm not going to hear that I'm going to be hearing probably noises restaurant thing noise is coming in traffic flowing in the parking lots and things like this this will be my room hearing I guess

I've been listening to the sounds of nature limited lit area at night which is so peaceful and now I know there'll be more light in that area which will probably overflow in our where I am it's extremely quiet in the evening what will change busy entrance of course Andrew just told you about that increase in traffic noise including delivery trucks and additional residents and visitors I had a delivery truck I have a bird by the way at home and I had a delivery truck come and we were cleaning the cage and it made such a noise that he flew into the woods considering he's freed I was lucky to find them but we do have loud noises coming on the trucks I you can't hear the sounds of nature outside when this happens as much commercial parking lot and building lights where it was dark at night establishments open late hours attracting possible crimes and maybe you know drunk driving if they're open late on the streets where people want to walk for an evening walk also I kind of Wonder with all these apartments coming in and houses and we hear about you know how Pasco is going to grow these people want to play golf too do will they want to come to Saddlebrook if we don't have we only have 27 homes is that going to make them one to come I mean I'm sure of the adults coming in would like that they're into entertainment and they go to an Arnold Palmer Golf Course and here it's not what they expected are they going to enjoy this Resort I would love to see the resort uh flourish to a maybe it's upgrading and maybe add some things let's attract more people who are moving into Pasco County to want to be here and enjoy what we enjoy living here thank you very much thank you good afternoon I am Barbara thundberg my husband Alan and I have been living at 5132 excuse me Pine Lake Road since July of 2002. we have been following the discussions and negotiations between mass the Saddlebrook community and Paschal County with interest negotiations have progressed with good outcome including the deed restriction the relocation of The Golf Academy and the need to address tactic issues that development will cause at the entry to Saddlebrook excuse me in the community the agreement to transform Vision H into a real Road will be key to the success of the development we note that the resort is considerably busier than it has been in the past several years and that some cosmetic improvements have been made and really this should please most of us the continuing concerns of the Saddlebrook residential Community is the impact of area one particularly the planned density in the proposed plan a number of suggestions have been offered one um maybe the number of apartment you units could be reduced maybe 300 this

would decrease the amount of required asphalt parking for the residents two if 460 apartments are absolutely necessary perhaps it could be redesigned to provide four five-story buildings with planned parking on the first level of at least some of the buildings this would allow this would reduce the acreage needed for asphalt parking and allow for more green public area it's hard to understand why it is desirable to transform so much of Wesley Chapel into an urban complex dominated by so many and I do mean many apartment complexes if Saddlebrook residents wanted to live in a densely populated area I think that most would have chosen to live in Miami Orlando or downtown Tampa yes Mast owned Saddlebrook Resort including area one and they will proceed with whatever they are allowed to do we ask that the Planning Commission assessed the project carefully can a compromise in density be pursued given that concern we recommend that the board votes to approve this application thank you okay the next individual signed up I'm going to call the next two is Robert real and Lily Zoo good afternoon my name is Greg really not Robert really I think he's going to speak um I live at uh 30338 Laurelwood Lane in Fairway Village at Saddlebrook um I have been sworn and I have lived at Saddlebrook since January of 1987 actually started coming here in 1981 when I was still a student so I've seen it for all these years as well as being a resident for all those years I've also I'm a member of the Dempsey family Tom Dempsey family and I have worked at Saddlebrook for over 30 years in variety of capacities Executive Vice President general manager of the resort president of Saddle Brook Sports including the school and general counsel so I've seen things come and go over the years and I know the history of Saddlebrook and I know the business of knowledge that we're probably better than anybody at this point what I I've already written to you um and expressed and spoken before about my support of mass development plans as well as provide you a letter from Mr Dempsey uh the same time with the same meaning um I'm not going to reiterate all of that but I did want to say a couple of things about it we still own family still owns uh eight properties within Saddlebrook including a lot right at the on the entrance Road at uh the intersection of Foxwood Drive that's where the T intersection is as you come into Saddlebrook we own that so we're basically next door to Nancy Foster here we also own two acres right across the exit from Saddlebrook so if I felt that what Mass development plans were going to do would be deleterious to our family interests and those properties I certainly would be saying so while

nothing is perfect I can tell you I was involved in every aspect of the sale of Saddlebrook I sometimes say selling a destination Resort during a pandemic is not for the faint of heart it was quite a difficult thing to get through but I knew what every every buyer wanted to do and one of the reasons we selected Mast was they were going to try to maintain the legacy of Mr Dempsey in Saddlebrook and I think they're plans do that very well when I look at the question of density up in area one I see it slightly different than I suppose most everybody else does I'd see that area one now as a buffer between the hustle and bustle of State Road 54 in the resort it's really outside of the resort of the way their plants will be done and I will add too about some of the comments about the driving range that was driving range location there on 54 was never the long-term intent of the Legacy owner of Southbrook we always intended to buy land to the South we were unfortunately unfortunate to do that and insofar as the 36 holes issue has been concerned with Mr Hogan and others have spoken about 36 holes is simply not viable that Saturday it hasn't been viable it was one trying to maintain 36 holes was one of the one of the things that made a lot of financial stress upon it it's just too expensive to run a golf course couldn't maintain the rate couldn't maintain the the number of rounds that you needed to make it successful and uh I would also Venture say that with respect to traffic inside of Saddlebrook as you mentioned commission Starkey those golf carts are a real problem driving around Etc I live in the very far back of Laurelwood um subdivisions are very far back Fairway Village and I've constantly am stuck behind golf carts trying to get when I try to go in and out so it is important to get those golf boards off golf carts off the roads as much as possible um insofar as density again it's concerned up in area one I was I said to you before when I reiterate again today is the most important thing from my perspective is that mass is successful with its development plans I want to see that Village Center built out there at area one I think that is going to be crucial to the the value of of the properties we owe as well as everybody else's and I think that density is necessary in order to accomplish that particular objective and what I also differ was some things my friends here have said regarding the traffic light that was something Mr Dempsey fought very very hard for I just want to say on the record that went to the state where we I was involved with it we did quite a quite a lot of work to try to get that traffic light put in there 20 years ago the traffic was far far worse back at that time and yeah I I guess the last thing I would just say is that I feel like whether there's 365 units in area one or there's four or 65 units in area one frankly from my perspective it's immaterial um it's it's but I and it'd be nicer to

have 365 or some other lower number but from my perspective it's more important the the need for the financial success of mess to do this development is more important than another 50 or 100 units up there I think it's in the scheme of things it's just not a big enough consideration thank you very much thank you foreign Wood Lane Wesley Chapel Florida and my name is Robert Dempsey really the Dempsey part is actually a little bit important because I'm the grandson of Tom Dempsey the you know founder Creator former owner of Saddlebrook um I don't think there's anyone that has a ton more to uh to build Saddlebrook to see its success or sacrifice that our family has obviously we've owned it for over 40 years our entire family owned it as a family business I've worked there since I can remember about I started about 16 years old I attended the The Golf Academy everything that my family's ever done every every meal we've ever eaten has been a business meal talking about what's going on at Saddlebrook so it's been a big part of my life forever and I I like to reiterate I don't think there's anyone that cares more about Saddle Brook than myself which is why I have not spoken to any of these meetings even though I've attended all of them because I was trying to see how things were going to play out but I think this is the right time for me to say something because I have seen Mass plans I think that what they're doing is crucial and essential for the success of Saddle Brook which is all I want to see um everyone in my family except for two of us have left Saddlebrook I am one of the only two there that are left um the only reason that I stayed is because I want to see the Legacy continue I want to see it grow and prosper and I think that the growing Saddle Brook with this development plan is the only way to do that I went to The Golf Academy I played golf I'm okay I I was like everyone else here hesitant to go down to 127 holes but if it means that the 27 holes that we're left with are better condition they are a prime golf course with the same you don't lose the training facility because it's shifted I know from our business that's my father just stated that running two golf courses is is very expensive so when people come up here and say well having 36 holes is more profitable no it's not it it definitely isn't and I don't know understand how you could say something like that if you did not actually know that um you know we've worked in our entire lives that will save you money by only having to do 20 maintain 27 holes and one of the other things that I noticed on the um on the other proposal that was shown by Mr Hogan is that actually is the academy and the employee parking which um you know Mr swole pointed out there is not enough parking so you're gonna have to get rid of the the academy and the parking if you wanted to do that so

again I don't think that that proposal actually works um and again if I thought that this plan was not inside of its interest I would be the loudest voice against it but all I want to do is see sound succeed and this is how celebrant succeeds thank you okay Miss Sue passed away for comments okay so then the last individuals signed up is Larry barbetta so is there anyone else going to speak to this item commercial leaders come on up I live at 1319 brockmorton drive and Wesley Chapel Florida and I was born in with everybody here I want to talk basically about my experience with Saddlebrook I'm gonna be celebrating my vicentennial anniversary of being a resident of Wesley Chapel so that's 20 years I have also been a business owner for about 10 years in Saddlebrook so I raised my daughter I have grandkids coming around and one of the things that we always remember is going to Saddle Brook for Mother's Day and different things and my kids like going to the pool and so it's always been part of our like traditions and everybody here talks about traditions and how long we've been here but we want to keep it here and one of the ways that we best keep it here is with change one of the changes that they did was to bring me in I am now the spa director at Saddlebrook and one of the things that we worked really hard on math and I as to keep the tradition of this by itself while refreshing it and bringing it back to life and I think that's basically what the whole project is is maintaining it but bringing it back to life being able to give it the best possibility for Success without having to change too much on it but the change is inevitable Wesley Chapel has changed I've come from a time where Wesley Chapel was causing manure to like three malls so it's not that change is bad change has to happen for us to grow and for there to be Vitality in our community we've had different um golf courses that have gone under because they didn't want to change we had Quail Hollow went under we had on Pebble Creek went under if we don't want to go under if we want to maintain our community we have to change we have to embrace it and we have to work together um I work with math now it's going gonna be going on a year it was six months of courting and six months of working together and I will say that they are very receptive to opinions when you have them as long as they make sense um there were things that we battled back and forth and then we would sit and it's like this is how it makes sense and this is how it's going to be best for the overall group and it happens and I think that um saying that oh it's because it's always been that way is the one way that something is going to fail we have to say what it's been and how we're going to change it to maintain it and that's it thank you very much for listening thank you

good afternoon I am hope Kennedy I am the president and CEO of the North Tampa Bay chamber we do have a new address for the record it is 28210 Paseo Drive suite number 190 in Wesley Chapel 33543 I am here today on behalf of our board of directors and our 610 members advocating in support of this project this is the type of project the communities around this country are dying for we they would be thrilled to have this kind of investment coming into their community Saddlebrook literally put Wesley Chapel on the national and international map and they have been a contributing force in tourism and commerce as with any asset it must be nurtured and constantly improved upon for us to continue to prosper as a region we must evolve we the chamber applaud Mass capital for their Vision to improve the crown jewel of Wesley Chapel they have gone above and beyond to ensure the legacy of Saddlebrook continues we thank them for investing in our community and ask you to approve this project and remove any bias or bureaucracy from further delaying the vital improvements needed thank you is there anyone else okay Larry will be the last one for public comment unless there's anyone with us there's did he ever show up no there was no one on Olympics okay hello everyone my name is Lawrence barbetta Larry I live at 5326 Fox Hunt Drive Wesley Chapel been there a little over a decade so thank you all for your time today I'm gonna go since we've got a lot of stuff to talk about we're not going to waste our time right now in commenting on the overall land use there's a few things that I want to bring up um probably the biggest thing that is new information that we're really excited to hear about is the greater access into area two that was just shared today I think that opens up some interesting opportunities for us to consider how to have a win-win where we get the density but possibly measure it or manage it in an appropriate way currently area one has about 35 Acres roughly 32 buildable and there's 75 000 square feet of commercial there's now there's just under 500 there's 490 Apartments and Townhomes plus there's parking and I believe the rule is something like 2.2 or something I'm spots per unit is my understanding I could be wrong but in other words more than 900 parking spots in the current configuration again we're concerned about what that does for the Gateway into a four to five star resort we're concerned about the impact on the community and we're concerned obviously about the loss of Green Space and again I don't want to come across inappropriately but if we were building a four to five star resort from scratch would we conceive that the way we'll enter it is through an apartment and Retail complex

okay I mean and when we look at the comps cited by mask and who they compete with that's not the same experience so that would be something I I believe in progress we are thankful for the time we've had to work with mass we're thankful for the collaboration we mean that sincerely and we're thankful to the Commissioners for giving us that opportunity at this point we're at you know the 11th hour later we'll talk about the mpud and rezoning but at a high level there are some bigger issues here and there might be some interesting opportunities where we make this still beneficial for Mass but also more sensitive and compatible with the Saddlebrook Resort and make sense for the community as well we also would encourage things and we'll talk about this more in the rezoning about accelerating the pace of the renovation of the resort because that's what this is about we didn't buy nobody bought empty land they bought the Saddlebrook Resort which has worked hard to establish a world-renowned reputation we all know its current state we're all saddened by its current state we all support Mass efforts to bring that back to what it should be we want to help accelerate that and we think plans and conditions later that we'll talk about that accelerate that and align that would be in the best interest of everyone as well um I'm going to be very short right now if you have questions for me feel free but I want you to consider that as you look at the broader land use and I look forward to speaking with you later about the mpud any questions okay well I would I guess I do that commissioner good so you know when you guys are proposing I guess the thought is you would put Apartments along the road and leave the um practice driving range the driving range up front away from the clubhouse that doesn't that mean you're taking away all the parking and so then you would just kill the ability for them to have events there like when we had the governor there so I I just think that idea just sinks Saddlebrook into closure when you can't have events like they can have something are you addressing that toward me commissioner I'm just curious in general okay I'm not sure I'm the best to answer but what I would say is what I think Mr Hogan presented as a resident was just the idea that there may be some other possibilities and that this is a very big decision we're not trying to act like amateur land planners okay and I think Pat was speaking to that Pat can speak how long is the drive from the to the driving range Pat roughly two minutes and 50 seconds so when you look at the other course

which I think Pat will talk about in the layout there's going to be other driving challenges as well um what we're trying I think Pat knows the answer too what was it what was the driving distance from the new to the new driving range it's like a minute 90. children it just you can't answer from them oh you can't catch them from there sir he said he said over a minute depend from correct there's other places again with the routing that Pat will discuss I believe and the distances between holes and that is a significant change in adds time too again what we're just really trying to say I think what Pat was trying to convey is that if there's an opportunity where we could have less intrusion in terms of the impact on our community existing compatibility nice entry and end up with 36 quality holes that would be even better than 27. that's that's what the idea was with that communication and that's again a broader statement okay thank you very much thank you all very much um picture so one of the groups of people I met with at one time playing out there was from Coral Springs and they've been coming to Saddlebrook 16 of the past 24 years and they tried a couple of the courses they always kept coming to Saddlebrook and they loved it they played the Palm because and then they played it again because they liked it so much when the new design we've been trying to get who finally got released to Amy and Amy you just got it the other day or how long have you had this Amy heiler Planning and Development um so our team reviews pre-applications every Monday so we were aware of it on Monday so it was scheduled I I don't know when it was scheduled but it's for next Tuesday And since our team was able to review the pre-applications we noticed it and figured we'd go ahead and send it out okay so again we've been waiting for a plan for a long time we knew they submitted or presented a plan to um the others but never been a presentation I'm wondering if Mass wants to talk about this plan Bob you get a chance to come up and talk do you want to talk to the plan or have someone talk to the plan the new riding of the golf course Barbara Wilhite for the applicant so a couple things March 31st around the end of March there was a town hall meeting with the members of Saddlebrook Resort this was what shown to them this is a last minute at the Planning Commission Ms Tyler probably forgets a plan commission agenda item included this so again it's not new it's been around since March 31st so but I do not intend on discussing it because it has nothing to do with my land use Amendment

the County Attorney stated at the Planning Commission that our golf design has nothing to do with their land use Amendment or our rezone is not relevant so I spoke to him last night just to make sure because I would never say anything that your county attorney has said to you if I'm not sure that's what he said at the public hearing so let me stop there let me just let me stop there for a second so let me let me ask the County Attorney question so back in 1974 1985 this plan gets adopted as an npud the people see what they're going to get for a plan for a golf course if it gets changed later on another part of an MPD with what the people saw and what the people had rights to there do they have certain expectations to expect they're going to see a 36 Hole Golf Course do they have rights or is it just one way most decisions on Golf Course conversions have not gone in the homeowner's favor unless there were specific covenants and conditions that were granted to them in their approvals and that would be a civil matter between the homeowners and the golf course redeveloper yeah okay so may I do rebuttal this would be I'm going to ask about the golf course so you can either have them talk about it or I'll just I'll just talk about it whatever you want to do yes I see that you're testifying here commissioner what's that I see that you're testifying here so I guess that'll continue but yes I don't want to note it for the record um very unusual so I don't know what order you want because normally after the public speaks then staff has a chance and Mr karbala has said that he wants to make sure that we follow proper order so I know there's been a lot of comp plan consistency conversations I don't know if Mr pitos depends is going to talk to that but I would like to keep it in some kind of order here I'm not in charge okay then you can you can have a seat and I'll have the I'll have staff come up okay okay thank you so I started taking on Terry pitos is going to come up and respond good afternoon commissionerospito is planning a Development Department um there has been uh a number of presentations over the past couple of months with regard to the consistency analysis and I've commented on the consistency I think at the transmittal hearing um with regard to some of the flus and the objectives that were highlighted previously so I'll just echoed those uh and not repeat them here but there were a couple of new things that did come up come about in the course of the planning of the project here which is a fairly common and

typical for new things to come about as we try to work through various problems so the first item that I wanted to quickly talk about was the signal that was at Bandai and State Route 54 with regard to area 2. so it was noted previously in testimony that there was that staff had said that the density could not be shifted because there wasn't a signal there actually the intersection was not studied at the continent level it's typically not something that we're looking at in terms of that sort of detail because well we don't go into that detail but staff had noted that one could put density at area 2. but we would need to pay close attention to how access would take place on State Road 54. during the course of the deliberations and the negotiations on the conditions of approved with mqd which is the next item there and we did look at because we do craft conditions of approval that attempt to address turning movements and access movements to the subject properties that are before the board your zoning considerations and uh we looked at the Van Dyne and how we could potentially require the self-leg to that intersection and so that was part of the weekend work that took place where we an exhibit was provided to us we assessed what the geometries of the exhibit generally work a good decide plan accommodate the land uses that they were proposing and it looked like it could and the condition was crafted and was thereby included in the divisions that are part of the mpud record now but we still maintained that the greater density should locate at stable 54 and Bruce B down and the future of Bruce B Downs intersection that's the better location because there are multiple Ingress and egress options for that area so the whatever traffic may occur within that little mudroom node is going to be better dispersed on 54 on Bruce and on Bruce B Downs ultimately to Wiregrass and Beyond Boulevard in terms of the commentary from the public safety agencies Terry let's say just for a second so I met with you in staff on Friday we looked at a lot of different items that was one of them that came up over the weekend I actually got to hit the Planning Commission that actually brought up the same items that didn't seem to take any work so I appreciate your work on Friday going through to get that approved to make that light into section because it would have made no sense to have the intersection or the entryway any further to the West because that would have made people just going out there crossing three lanes taking a U-turn and with that lineup the way it was I'm glad to see these guys acted on that to get that to happen I appreciate it the applicant actually looking at that and making that happen but that's as that came out so that's an

improvement when you talk about the traffic now let's go let's go talk about you just said the access in and out when you have a development over 600 units you have to put in a second entryway correct that's correct now I don't know if you consider that second part of the thing as part of the traffic that you need because nobody can get there I mean as SEF says it's an isolated project on area two it's not connected whatsoever so it needs a standard on its own but on the 465 area where the entryway is is the connection where people are going to be able to go out the vision Road taking a right turn in right turn out uh the connection is yeah the connection would be to the West which would be on to the future of Bruce B downs from there somebody could travel North to 54 and do the right and right out until that becomes a full full proper intersection with signal Etc or they could turn South and head out to eventually Wiregrass Boulevard and then make their North and South movements on that right now currently though the way the planet said can people from the apartment complex go to the right and go the entrance and Saddlebrook way and go to that light and go up uh I think the way it's designed the way it's designed okay yeah conceptually okay so so all those people are going to make a decision is this get started is everything going to go out on Saddlebrook way where the light is where they can have the Dual left turn Lanes to go right a left and get out those that want to go the other way are going to go out the other side and either paddled Battle Lake Crossing through Lanes or took it out there so mostly people go right they'll probably go that way but anybody going left is pretty much would you say gonna go into the light take the left and go right now you've got a lot of trips out in front and I know we had so we had a long battle and talking about with traffic studies with the whole team about the data the data the data the two percent Etc how it accounts for everything and even though the data says it's okay for traffic when you look at the reality when you look at the testimony of people here and you see all the traffic that's out there and now you're going to have 464 more trips does that affect your decision making whatsoever um I the thing is that there's going to be an interim condition until the Bruce B Downs 54 intersection is fully established and but Terry this traffic now before this even comes in but there's going to be an alternative exit point that if somebody doesn't want to sit in that traffic they can circuitously get out if they need to certain by security I'm talking about heading out to Wiregrass Boulevard or their West yeah with what's out there right now not any development going on

whatsoever there's a lot of traffic out in front right you've heard the residents say many many times so right now there's traffic anyway now you're going to take an at 464 more units to add into the traffic that's right in the core of everything else as well that you don't think it's a factor based on the studies and and again forget the studies I told you the studies show we're okay it can't be my decision though it has to be on this on the studies it said that they can go out the other way and he said it like three times there's there will be two exits not one you know you want to say that four more times there'll be two exits not one and there's more traffic already it's gonna only get more traffic go ahead sorry so just to move on to the next point that was brought up with regard to some of the commentary from the public safety agencies the reception of no comments is not necessarily does not mean that those agencies did not review they just did not provide any suggestions to influence the project further and the no comment at least on our part is understood as it being acceptable to that agency by acclimation right so they're not making a statement to make a change or to influence the outcome of this project they're saying this is a project we recognize that it's coming can you Terry okay sorry I'm sorry I need to repeat that is that okay it's been all day so I think it's all right so as I was I'll briefly repeat over that comment you just said that all the comments that were made everyone says no comment no we there were some comments that were received that said no comment but that doesn't necessarily mean that they didn't review the project it simply meant that they accepted the project by acclimation they noted the fact that the project was going to happen and they didn't have anything to say that would influence the outcome of the project or to make a change to it and that's standard pretty much procedure in the past year would you say two years how many comments do you ever get back from Deo all the rest what's the percentage yeah well um questions really not Deo the question because Deo is reviewing if you wanna if you want to argue at Deo they would be looking for the data and Analysis to see if there was if there was a gap in it and they've said that they they basically have no comments which as a lawyer I would say means the application is sufficient for State review purposes the question that Terry I guess needs to answer or or Barbara is the things that the fire and um Emergency Services police services that

Ms Graham is alleging he's unsupported by the required data and Analysis was there data and Analysis for this application the data and Analysis that the Planning and Development Department received was and reviewed was shared with the other agencies they reviewed that information and provided the comments that they provided so as it relates to Deo they accepted the transmittal and did not require any additional information for the project in their review and then as far as the density in area one this is an appropriate location because it's at the most intense location of infrastructure it's going to be an area which is the future intersection of Bruce B downs and stable 54. um I don't believe that it makes sense to place density at the center of the resort because then all of that density the traffic of that density is going to Traverse through the single-family home neighborhoods that surrounds the resort um and that's something that I'm not sure I heard much about during a lot of the testimonies over the past couple of months that these that if that density that's in area one was located in the center in order for these people to come and go from their dwelling units they would have to Traverse through the single-family neighborhoods which is typically not how it's planned or done you want your most intense up at the along the you most dance up at the uh in the intense corridors so that those people have a short trip to their dwelling units and then the people who live Beyond in the single family neighborhoods have a much more quieter neighborhood experience um and so area one then is actually oriented toward the external that's how we have read it and understood it um it's not necessarily oriented toward the resort but that the people that live in the resort can participate in the activities of area one um and then um finally I suppose with regard to the alternative side plan that was demonstrated there is something that can be said about alternative designs and new ideas uh influencing a project and how they can how that can be considered I would say that you know the planning department hasn't reviewed or assessed that concept to provide a recommendation on it but we are as the planning department constrained by the property rights element to become planned it notes that the right of a property owner to use maintain develop and improve its property for personal use and for the use of any other person so long as their design meets state law and local ordinances so when a concept is provided to the

planning department we assess the concept that is being brought forward by the by the property owner and there are sometimes tweaks that can be made as is in the case with event dying intersection for example um but in general we stay true to we try to stay true so so far as the project is is consistent with the comprehensive plan and compliance to the Land Development code we stay true to the design that the property owner is seeking so those are the comments that I would I would offer at this stage cool if there's any questions the public homes closed okay and the applicant thank you a couple things um because Miss Graham brought up some inconsistencies and you know I'm an expert on the comp plan I'm doing it for 27 years helped have my hand in writing the comp plan and the codes that are being referenced so some of these things are said I just have to say something about on the record so talking about the PD land use and the fact that our currently it's a red six land use and we're going to PD somehow takes away Recreation areas what actually restricts residential property to no longer be residential property in the comp plan and restricts it to be recreational areas so certainly not taking away residential area disrupts the entire Golf Course the golf courses now around six what it does is restrict residential on the golf course or non-residential on the golf course because now it's being restricted to golf course related facilities and open space certainly does preserve conservation areas encourage flexible Creative Design that's what mud room is so our PD again restricts us allows us to have the uses that you want to have a flourishing Resort because right now it's in a residential land use it conflicts with the resort and we talk about the tourism policy but the current contents of plan is not consistent with the tourism policy because it's calls for that resort to be a residential use not a resort or a residential use so when you talk about what we're now in res six and what we're planning to do which is to go to this PD land use we're cleaning up into consistency so we can flourish as a resort in support of your tourism policies or tape we're preserving we're taking away residential use on the golf course and preserving that so it meets all the intent of plan development again a lot of talk about multi-family this complement is not needed for the multi-family that's proposed for any of the residential that's proposed we do I think the other thing that we do appreciate very much the the residents and their ideas and we have had so many meetings and and we've taken all those ideas and consideration but the end of the day

my client has a business plan a large investment they're proposing here and you know they've got certain things in their business plan they want to have a new driving range stay the our Driving Range close to the resort and close to the current golf courses they want you've heard not from them you've heard from independent Witnesses who know this business it's better than everybody that 36 holes is viable so we didn't have to say that to you you heard it from others but they know that and they agree with that and their assessments it took a very long time to close this property I they called me all the time with different questions for a very long time so there was a lot of work that went into them buying this property so they have a plans they have a business plan and with regard to um some of the commissioner statements because I don't know if I'll get a chance to talk before the commissioner might talk about things beyond what people have said here so I don't know but with regard to the renovation plan the renovation plan is a plan between mass and there are Resort owners there are the investors in those in those Hotel condo units those are not real estate those are registered securities and that's what the renovation plan is so to bring a renovation plan into the this hearing for land use and zoning has nothing to do with us changing the land use from res 6 to pde they have worked on the renovation plan they have been transparent because they did release it I guess last night or night before my nights all come together when you work all the time um with regard to the golf I'd explain the golf question of that plan and its relevancy and how long it's been out there and yes they've met with their members on that plan the other thing about traffic is let me let me stop you right there just ask you a question when we heard our first presentations who was it that talked about the renovation plan do you think I could remember that only help you best they talked about what the renovation plan was going to be how they're going to talk to the people they showed us pictures about how it's going to look okay no details were sent until last night at 5 30. the numbers were talked about from talking to Mr Pines don't know but we can ask them if you want it says the numbers even from the renovation plan have now doubled so you never showed anybody in the last six months from first coming to us the renovation plan now the night before this hearing is bring it out and you want to call us out from talking about it and talk about Mr Payne sending it to us it sends a clear message that you haven't been straightforward with everybody every step of the way in my opinion your meetings you you could have had everybody together one big room chose not to you wanted to break them

all up divide and conquer I don't agree that's right that's all I see it we're going to disagree the plan for the golf course hasn't been shown either except for that one group why didn't we show it to everybody so don't say that we should be talking about you know the Coalition happens I am talking you said that you don't know why we're talking about the renovation plan you're the ones who brought it out carry on because you asked us about what our plans were so we showed you that our plans it's a very long project to renovate a resort like this it's easy for people to say well you didn't do this and you didn't do that you didn't do this but this is a difficult project with a lot of components to it so the criticism just aren't fair but I can't change your mind has nothing to do with the land use and I just don't want my client to be disparaged because I just don't think that's appropriate but I did want to say that one thing with regard to transportation what we hear what we don't hear is about the fact that we're going to have a second access forever Saddlebrook has had one way in and one way out this development project solves that at a great expense the vision road we heard Mr Swope ask about the vision Road four lanes eight wins it's not our vision Road it's your vision Road it's a road that was important to the county and in their build out models so this road needs to be there and we're providing that road and the right-of-way for that road not only in our property but through Wiregrass Ranch so the fact that we go from one way in and out to three-way and three ways in and out is significant and is not really discussed it's interesting to hear that we don't need the vision Road when it does provide not only the vision road but the service road and the road that'll come from Development Area one down into the resort for all service traffic that now goes through the gates of the resort it's it's those are significant changes so again I appreciate the Mr Hogan and the efforts on an alternative plan but in the end of the day my client has a very thought out plan they've worked very hard on it I would note that that plan actually includes property on wiregrasses we that we don't own the way it connects they have a connecting to Division Road is through wiregrass's property I'm again hard to do those plans so I understand Miss Foster when she shows you her her property I noticed she doesn't do it on top of an aerial because if she did you would see the all the dense Woods in between her property and Development Area one so with that um we think we meet all the requirements for the conference of plan to be approved and our team is available for for any to answer any questions certainly have lots of details to go over in the mpud but as you've stated

you want to have separate hearings so we'll leave those for the mpds and we would ask for your support as a comprehensive planned Amendment thank you um so I'm just talking I'm just the top of the motion and and for my motion I'd like to use Hope's speech of speech is my emotion because I think it was very well set so um I would move to approve um staff's recommendation for the complaint changes motion of the second any further discussion it's all the rule district one commissioner Oakley aye District Two commissioner wheatman District three commissioner Starkey aye District 4 commissioner Bradford District Five chairman Mariano okay item p-68 be approved give me one second let me flip the page okay um p68 was advertised in Tampa Bay Times on May 24 2023 and by Affidavit of site postings all right good afternoon Amy Tull uh with Planning and Development so the item that you are hearing now is the companion rezoning to the Saddlebrook Resort uh comprehensive plan Amendment before we get started I did send an email out and I was advised to uh seek or ask to just have it uh entered into record please so what the enter it into records so the four documents that were sent via email just to make sure that they were received and entered or a motion to receive the golf course layout one or which one um the four documents the additional exportes the additional emails and then the changes to we've got hard copies here yeah of course yeah and then I sent the email out as well okay no motion move to receive yes in a second second no it was um yep so it's at the mqd conditions of approval yes ma'am the ex parties additional emails that were received within the last 24 to 48 hours um yeah there were two packets so sorry about that thanks commission Starkey and uh there are four items and a visual for the intersection at Van Dyne foreign district one commissioner Oakley aye District 2 commissioner Whiteman District three commissioner Starkey aye District 4 commissioner Bradford District Five chairman Mariana aye [Applause] um okay so the items that were just uh entered into record there was a change in the conditions of approval last night to speak to the intersection of Van Dyne as well as an exhibit that goes alongside that there are additional expertise that were received since the last Planning Commission in the published and when the 7-Eleven agenda was published and then additional emails in support for the proposal entered into record as well within the last 24 to 48 hours that were received

um so the MPD you're hearing now is a proposed rezoning um the existing uh and they're the existing zoning is uh AR agricultural residential as well as MPD The Proposal is to rezone to NPD to allow for the constructed permitted uses of 105 000 square feet of commercial retail 55 drawing beds 12 000 square feet Clubhouse 5 000 square foot restaurant 145 platted Townhomes 600 or 465 multi-family units on approximately 550 50.33 Acres with renovations to the golf course and it is located on the north side of 54 approximately 1.35 miles east of 75. so as previously noted the comprehensive plan presentation does have repetitive information so I'm going to try to fly through this as best as I can and just highlight some of the additional changes as it relates to the mqd itself so as stated it's located in the South market area urban service area here's your visual location map for the aerial uh the existing zoning District and the future land use which is currently raised well was res 3 or red six now it is PD has been Beauty so the applicant is seeking two variations from the code so I'll go ahead and provide a little Direction on those LDC section 901 is Seeking a variation at the request of many Property Owners within Saddlebrook Resort no interconnection being vehicular or bike pedestrian is proposed to or from Development Area two to the South since Saddlebrook Resort is gated no interconnections to the west of Development Area two is proposed because those areas are are plotted additionally no interconnections are proposed on the southern boundary of the Saddlebrook Resort since those are also platted subdivision being Wiregrass Ranch and then no interconnections are proposed alongside the eastern boundary of the Saddlebrook Resort since the properties to the east in that area also flooded subdivision so the applicant's request has been reviewed and supported by staff as it meets the intent of the code additionally section 402 of the code um the applicant is requesting A variation from the LDC to allow for all of the open space drainage common areas landscape areas Wetland areas buffers preservation areas recreation park and other special purpose areas within the non-residential areas multi-family areas that are under single ownership within development one and development two to be operated and maintained by the ownership entities since there's no HOA or CDD for those areas and then additionally they are foregoing requirements that do not apply to any portion of the MPD that's controlled by an existing HOA or CDD so again applicants request has been reviewed and supported by staff as it meets the intent of the code additionally [Music] just want to make sure so uh here is the proposed master plan you guys have you you have already seen this showing area one area two a golf course area and area three The Binding conceptual plan

the additional language does notwithstanding the Development Area number two shall access show align with the State Road 54 and Van Dyne Road intersection subject to the State of Florida Department of Transportation approval and or County right-of-way use permit as applicable and then there is also an asterisk at to condition number 21 which also aligns with the Van Dyne intersection so condition number 21 speaks to prior to approval of the first record plot or where plot is not required prior to issuance of the first building building permit construct or post a performance guarantee acceptable to the county for the following external access improvements so the Improvement to the State Road 52 or excuse me State Road 54 and project access BB Development Area 2 which is your Van Dyne intersection there is an additional condition on number 21 with an asterisk that states in lieu of access at State Road 54 and projects at access B access shell align with the State Road 54 and Van Dyne Road intersection subject to the State of Florida Department of Transportation approval and or County right-of-way use permit as acceptable or as applicable in such event developer applicants shall submit an access management analysis at the time of construction plan review to determine required access improvements so between Planning Commission on seven six and today I think seven six actually I'm sorry June 8th um those changes have been submitted quick question on number 20. okay it says developers have provided a substandard road application for State Road 54. there are no substantive Road impacts of State Road 54 from the approved land uses that require mitigation by developer and the next sentence developers shall not be responsible for any improvements to State room 54 or any proportionate share payment for any improvements to State Road 54. never mind I got it okay exactly [Laughter] so with that if you have any additional questions I can I'd be happy to answer that but staff does recommend approval with conditions any questions thank you thank you Barbara Wilhite 6327 Grand Boulevard New Port Richey for the applicant again for the record we have this our PowerPoint presentation has been given to the clerk as well as our timing and phasing analysis the timing and phasing analysis is the same document that was sent to the county and reviewed and approved by County staff if you would be so kind is to move that into the record you need a motion to see a second all in favor say aye aye Roll Call district one commissioner Oakley aye District Two commissioner Whiteman aye District 3 commissioner Starkey aye District 4 commissioner Bradford District Five chairman Mariano hi

as um Amy had told you we do have an MPD binding concept plan again a new creation from for myself after 27 years of doing this with the county um and then working with clients with the county that's all the details of of how it binds this is The Binding concept plan I'm not sure if staff has this current one in their in their presentation or not but this is the current one most notably we can tell some of the current one because it's missing all the town home units that backed up the Saddlebrook way some very good features of this proposed development is an enhanced connectivity we have a new secondary gated access to Saddlebrook for residents only we have a new primary entrance for all of our service vehicles that now go through the primary gate for commissioner Starkey we have a new eight foot multi-use path that residence and Resort guests can use to go to and from if you think about it they can go to area one from Resorts and from the residences without going on Saddlebrook way which has no sidewalks they can use that new multi-use path to get to the sidewalks on State Road 54 without going on the Saddlebrook way that has no sidewalks they can use that new eight foot path to get to all the sidewalks and paths within Wiregrass Ranch and all the different amenities that they have building on the Investments that others have made and for a resort that didn't have any paths or sidewalks we're changing that this is the specifics of that plan condition number 32 says when we need to do it so it makes it not only binding from a picture but binding as to we have to do it you see that it's the it's the brown coming all the way down and then it hooks up hang on for one second waitman has a question thank you to visualize the Wiregrass Ranch Boulevard connection this one here yeah be clear you know we've talked a lot about this this particular connection so Mast is agreeing to build what's in yellow to this to Wiregrass range Boulevard yes before so we're going to see a true connection come all the way down that five acres then cut west across Wiregrass Ranch and Connect into Wiregrass Ranch Boulevard commissioner that's correct and that's condition 31 and that has to be in place before the first I'm going to say CEO because it's a CEO equivalent because it's County language's First final building inspection instead of Co but we're going to say Co here because we all know what that means that road has to be constructed and operational before the first Co in area one so in the timing

of this project should this go through mass and there's plans in place to you know start working on this road we're always behind on roads right like fields so this road is pretty much ready to run like y'all be ready to rock and roll and we have to be because it holds us back from doing anything and from having the First Co in area one until it's completed okay we do have a subsequent development agreement so David and I get to work a little bit more on this one that that condition calls out and we're working with Wiregrass of course is going through their property so we're coordinating with them they do have an obligation to give the right away in the ponds there's no issue with that it's just we obviously want to coordinate they got to make sure that it works for them it's coming across their property so it's going to so that's tracking the direction that I'd like that's correct okay thank you yes so again this just shows the secondary access and lots of details regarding that as we had questions we'd put details on our concept plan that's why you see all those details there the list of access management improvements that the project is doing 54 in Saddlebrook way as you've heard about those improvements it's 54 in Vision Road H Vision Road H and project access a vision mode h inside access these are the improvements to Saddlebrook way and State Road 54. the the Dual lefts and the dedicated right we did we've talked about the Van Dyne intersection and staff because we bought condition 17 this is the revision you have that revision that is this is the new the concept plan of how we'll achieve access you can see that we have access also out to our neighbor so they'll be able to use the light as well if they want to connect there is a piece of their property that they don't have they do not have pavement to their property line there's a gap there but they certainly could change that and want to have access and we'll continue to work with them if they'll work with us Division Road H we just talked about coming out of Planning Commission the request on Saddlebrook way for enhanced landscaping that's the yellow this the the green was already in our MPD plan it's been in our MPV plan for a long time enhanced enhanced landscape buffers for East of those boundaries where we're adjacent to residential and the enhanced buffer treatment that you see in Orange there to the existing Golf Course we've talked about the fact that we removed all the town homes backing up to Saddle Brook Way again we did that on our own um wasn't requested by Planning Commission or staff so this is something I'm sure we'll talk

a lot about um both with the commission and with the presentations I'm sure you'll hear from the residents and their representative so what we were asked to do from early on it was the question was could Mass do Development Area one and two and not do anything with the resort so we put a lot of conditions on ourselves and staff continue to put those conditions on us to make sure that they were they achieved that goal which was to make sure that we couldn't do Development Area one and two without doing the resort so this is the result of all that work and it's been a lot of work first of all the existing driving range will remain operational until the new driving range is operational which means you can't start turning any dirt in Development Area one until the investment's been made in the new driving range second thing is prior to the First Co equivalent in the very Development Area one or two renovation of at least 18 holes of gulf and renovation commenced in all of these areas Mass condo hotel units and when we look at the renovation plan condition you'll see that there's an opportunity for all the third parties to also get their their units renovated along at the same time commencing on the lobby food and beverage areas and meeting space so you look at that and you say well what's the significance of that it's commenced all of these areas this Resort's not closing down so to get to the point where you commence all of those areas and you have to phase all of them so that you have an operational resort to get to that point where you've commenced on each one of those areas is actually a pretty large commitment prior to the 301st residential CEO equivalent in Development Area one all of the mass condo hotel units have to be done there's also the condition regarding the the third party Hotel units the lobby has to be finished at least one food and beverage area at least 50 percent of the meeting space and prior to the final residential CEO then they complete all those all those renovations we also worked on after Planning Commission a detailed renovation plan for the third party condo hotel owners and the idea being there that making sure that there was a bunch of ground rules that the county wanted to see in that ultimate renovation plan aside from just a fact that there's a renovation plan what is it going to look like what's the model room look like and the like there's ground rules in there which means the renovation costs for the third party this is important the county wanted to make sure the renovation cost for third-party condo hotel unit owners shall not be more than the renovation cost of the of the condo hotel units unit so that's there's equivalency there that our that my client's not marking up and saying okay this is my cost but I'm

going to charge more to do it for the third party owners we have to project the cost of the unit renovation with projected Revenue increase and result in Roi we have to seek out financing to the extent available for third-party unit owners who require financial assistance I would again remind you that these are securities registered Securities to buy one of these units you make a disclosure that you make individually 200 000 a year three hundred thousand dollars a year as a couple or a million dollars in assets are we gonna hang up one second commission Whitman thank you to this point with the the credit I'll preface it this way we've already weighed into this thing further than most I would agree uh to her makes me a bit uncomfortable at times and I've shared this comment with probably everybody in this room or most people governments pushing the boundaries here but I'll ask this question for consumer advocacy reasons the the thirty thousand dollars at mass is willing to put towards the renovation if a third-party owner wants to renovate theirs how does that work how does that kick in like say they want to do 15 000 worth of Renovations some carpets and tiles some Cabinetry how does voting pride in a lot so I figure how how is this reimbursement working is it they're all in and then once they once that owner breaks that threshold then then mass comes in with with their their piece of it is my question making sense uh I'm not entirely following you it's on the are we talking about Mass on the condo on the condo Tales the condo tail renovation piece assuming papers here commissioner Whitman I don't think Masters paying for the condo owners at all they've got to pay their own there's not there's not I thought there was up to no that's a the community I think what the what you're talking about the numbers that are in here in this condition in the whatever paragraph that is at the end there are numbers in there for if somebody doesn't want to renovate that there is a obligation for a mass to up to a certain point to buy those units again the economic growth thought it was important to make sure that we had a robust renovation plan so that it a large majority of these units get get renovated because it's important to the success of the resort which is important to the county and very important to my clients so your Mutual same interests there right I appreciate it just trying to get a better Clarity and understanding of conversation with the residents folks about it it was in I thought it was an interesting I thought it was a nice gesture on behalf of Mass to do that but apparently interpreted

interpreted it wrong sorry wrong day um let's see what else we have important in here calendar deadline for third party cup Hotel owners to enter into the renovation contract so their Union will be done with the renovations that Mast is doing the um and we can if you have any questions my clients here and can go through this at the end there's a lot of qualifying language here just because when you're talking about values and and making sure that they pay the same as what Mass pays and how does that work because you do have variations in some of these units there's a lot of details there and then there was this provision that talks about what happens if a unit owner um one of the investors does not choose to renovate and there's a buyout and there's also that my client will agree to remove the unit from the rental pool which that means they lose all of their benefits as a Resort owner we have been asked and asked and asked can we you know is this tight enough is this tight enough is this tight enough is there anything else have we missed anything does this let my client do something you know get something out of order does this mean that they don't have to do something um I feel really strongly that you know all along here you can see all the conditions and I push and push and push okay um but I believe that we go any further I'm afraid we'll make them unsuccessful it's just too much at some point and so I pause whenever I push any further into their business plan and their business in zoning because it's not my expertise and the worst thing we can do is ratchet them down to a ratchet very eloquent term matches them down to a point that they they're not going to be successful and and uh I want to seem successful and I know you do too that is my presentation certainly available for for any questions and we'll listen to the residents and the representative and everybody if you don't mind what I like to do and I should have done this before let me bring up David Engel and let him just talk about what he has in case he wants to clarify anything and then if you want to say something you can say something and then we'll go to public comment this way we'll get it clear from inside yes cases any other thirty thousand dollar bonuses that one hour would have made a difference that's just wishful thinking well I can say this clearly good evening you had some questions regarding uh the renovation plan sir yeah just let's go over the latest changes to it as far as the the start I mean I saw the I mean the slide didn't show what goes on with the residents Etc the condo hotel owner so just kind of clarify their situation how they tie into the rest of this that's that's a good question so

these aren't Market units these aren't units that people can use and enjoy indefinitely there's a 45-day restriction as was stipulated in testimony they are qualified investors these are investment vehicles we were concerned look going into the Final Phase of negotiations that Mast only controlled 75 units and you need a certain economies of scale to support the resort it doesn't function adequately into its potential without enough condo hotels that are renovated so one thing we wanted we wanted to have mass run the renovation plan and program because they have mobilization advantages economies of scale they'll be competitively trying to get the lowest bids because they're going to be paying per unit what everybody else is paying and mass agreed to do that and run that renovation plan and then we wanted a stipulation that at a date certain uh people will get sold if you don't sign up you're out and um that mass degree to that we provided that in the provisions within those conditions and we also wanted the who also wanted the renovation plan distributed quickly and I did see a copy of it it was distributed yesterday and I read it this morning and it was a good plan it provided the history of the condominium hotels the last renovation was 2001 2002 it provided a comparative analysis as to the disadvantage of the resort at this point and the advantages of renovating those Hotel units it also provided a we would have asked for a return on investment analysis a pro forma because these are investment vehicles they're just they're real assets they're not financial securities and it did provide a adequate return and I didn't see the backup to it but approximately 16 percent annual Roi once the thing gets up and running I think there's a there's a minor minor loss for 2024 after the units are renovated and then they go into positive cash flow in 25 and then it ramps up the last thing we did was we asked Mast and they they were very gracious actually to accept the fact that they may have to buy some of the units because we want to make sure that there's a scale there to accommodate the resort at its completion so um Market values were established we don't want Mass to be disadvantaged we have two comparables that were transacted in the last I think about eight months for each of the models and the prices that are in the agreement are accurate and they do reflect the market value of those units today so I I looked at what is it for the condo hotel owner I mean you're sitting there with a depreciated asset I mean do you as I understand it the units are going for much less than they originally were or at their Peak you're sitting with a depreciated asset you're gonna have to belly up to the bar and put anywhere for I guess the average about 65 70k depending on the type of

unit into it but you have a positive Roi and the flip side is the value of your asset will start appreciating over time so you have the advantages of owning real property you have positive cash flow after year one and you also have the potential of enuring a appreciating asset so that was our view and that's why we endorsed the plan and we were I think it took us about two weeks to negotiate this this one item on the reservation plan and David I appreciate your jumping in we met last week we talked about it in uh clearly waiting to the 300 first unit didn't make a lot of sense for the renovations to happen because there was no details I mean there's no reason for a wait that long anyway and it's not good for the mass it's not good for the people that own uh and I'm glad you're you've lined it up a couple of things it's within 90 days I've got to respond to mass offer is that correct they have to they have once they get delivered the renovation plan I believe they have 90 days to sign up so would the renovation plan submitted last night is that sufficient enough or is it going to be more detail well I don't know how that was served I just saw a copy of it a resident had given it to me I haven't seen a formal transmittal from Mass at this point okay because what I wonder is I I and I'll let the residents talk a little more but I don't know if they had talked about before they were going to do a plan first to show people what they're going to get or was it just going to be a paper form to say here's what's going to happen well I believe a detailed rent Innovation plan would have a detail on what the improvements would be and what the outcomes would be so I I and I know that about maybe five months ago Mass did provide us with a mock-up of how the units would look upon completion yeah and I think it's critical and hopefully if these things do go the people like the plan it goes goes well they won't be buying anybody or very few anyway so that'll free them up to just keep on going I think the quicker they get it done is is Jordan says the economy is a scale they can take advantage of the more people sign up quicker maybe some benefits there as Aaron says Aaron said they're not competitive as they are right now so there's a great benefit for everybody I just want to see that we kind of get things tied in as quick as we can uh to get it moving uh and frankly I will throw out there again as we talked last time I would love to see us work with permitting real close uh cutting the fees down to save some residents of money if we can as well uh put some expedited plan together where I've got a gentleman who could be a certified in all four different trades where he can like do view specs like we have done before to get these things quick efficiently and let them turn and and help them get it done quicker than the normal process might be any other questions no okay thank you David good thank you David

and that renovation plan one is the renovation plan that was received by Mass to their Resort owners is not all of that this renovation plan that we have 90 days to get to the county hopefully from today um so but it is certainly the renovation plan that talks about the cost and Roi and those different things but one of the things that's really important to this renovation plan not only to make sure that my client is paying what they're paying everybody else is paying so so it's all the same it's number two on here and it requires that um the agreement to renovate between the third party condo hotel owners and the applicant developer developer shall include the requirement the applicant developer renovate the lobby food and beverage areas the pool ground level meeting space in the main building and an outside calendar deadline to complete same so they're going to work with the resort owners they're going to make their commitment so my understanding is what's been a hindrance to investment of the resort owners to renovate their units in the past is the lack of investment by the owner in their areas so that can't occur here so there's a commitment and an agreement that says hey Resort owner if you sign up I sign up then what I'm going to do and that's an important number two here that you see that and pool is included in there and you'll see that if you look at the language in the phasing conditions relative to the county and what the county is reviewing against the pool's not in there because the county looks at we're letting them look at things that are building permits so they can verify it um so there's the link between what we're doing and building permits and pool does renovation doesn't require it but right here before we ask any of our condo hotel owners to sign on the dotted line it has to include the commitment of to do Renovations at the pool and the fact that we're going to in that agreement where it belongs private agreements outside of zoning there will be an outside calendar deadline um complete complete those renovations I want to point that out thank you so um we have a public comment yeah we can go to public we have multiple signed up for 54.68 again do you want to call this list okay um now let's start with here I guess Jane Hagen first all right Jane Graham first sorry good evening commission I'll make this as fast as possible because I know that we want to find a solution here name and address for the record yeah my name is Jane Graham Sunshine city law 737 Main Street Suite 100 Safety Harbor representing the save Saddlebrook

coalition now I've already seen anywhere and were you sworn yes yeah and so without going into the details I mean this is a quasi-judicial hearing you're supposed to take into account whether or not there's competent substantial evidence that has supported each of these conditions of approval conditions under the euclidean rezoning criteria and the mpud rezoning criteria it would be our position that there are still a number of deficiencies based on what we've already spoken about in the earlier section so I'm not going to belabor those points there also are the inconsistencies with the comprehensive plan which we do maintain for the record now Larry barbetta is going to speak to this a lot more but what we would say is we we do think that the conditions of approval are very much on the rights they're they're they're getting there they're almost there what mess this is what we'd like to see when Mass welcomes the new residents in Development Area one the resort should be fully renovated and open for business right now the conditions of approval only require Renovations of the condo hotel units to be met by mast to be complete by the final building inspection for the 301st residential unit and 50 percent of the condo hotel units owned by third party members third-party owners in Practical terms this could be years in the future and so meanwhile and and you know we have had many productive conversations with Mast and it's our understanding that they are very much committed to renovating the resort we think that the current language in conditions of approval 29 to 30 fall short of capturing all of these these commitments so we have some language up here I'm going to defer to Larry barbetta he's going to explain what we think should be tweaked you think that this instead of the 301st unit it should be the first unit so like I said when you start opening Development Area one the resort is fully renovated and open for business as well we'd like to see the pool up here as far as the first cut of things that would be renovated at that same time there's also an update to condition 30 Larry's going to go through a little bit more as far as what we'd like to see why is this relevant and I think that you all understand this anyways that the phasing of development is relevant for approval based on section 402.2 c5d what I wanted to talk with you about it was kind of interesting to me that this came up in a other topic of conversation earlier are the dimensional standards because if you look at condition number 49 what you'll see is that they're actually much less protective of green space than in comparable zoning districts for example the apartments take up 85 percent lot coverage whereas the euclidean zoning district for multi-family use which would be the mf3 high density District at 24 acres is

actually only allowed 55 percent what coverage um now this there's something similar as well for non-residential standards these deviations would be forgivable because it is an mpud and it makes sense that you do want the flexibility however it would be forgivable if the buildings were truly clustered to maximize green space but if you look at the binding concept plan it still depicts the vast amount of Development Area one is composed of parking lots so we do think that the plan can be better we think that there should be less parking lots there they should be clustered in a closer way um less lot coverage and the dimensional standard can get to that so that would be an amendment to condition 49 to see if you can temper some of those lot coverage space um the other thing I wanted to raise your attention to is that the plan lacks information about the open space and Recreation that's required by the code what it actually says under condition of approval 14 is that it will be approved um at the time of the PDP and PSPs the preliminary development plan and site plan and I don't know how familiar you guys are with something called alternative standards but it says that you know these can be in accordance with um 905.1 which are the park requirements and any alternative standards approved alternative standards are a deviation from code requirements and that's an administrative determination that's not made by the commission and so what you might see and I urge you to take a close look at this and what's happening with various site plans that might be going through is that staff are approving these alternative site plans that are skating by some of the requirements as far as let's include a clubhouse as part of a a plan for recreation or let's count stormwater structures as parks and these are things that actually go against the code but alternative standards seem to be allowing it so take a close look at that see if you can tighten that up and make sure that the parks are really complying with what is allowed and required the other issue about that is if you look back at the history back in 1997 I've got a copy of an interoffice memorandum from night sorry 97 not 93 that says that 50 of the area in area one is actually supposed to be reserved for landscaping and um you know what's interesting about this is there there was some discussion that oh you know the commercial in retail is actually what's new on this plan but actually commercial has already been approved based on the older MPV for a hundred thousand square feet of commercial in um Development Area one but what it says and that's kind of beside the point but what it says which is important is that 50 of that area is reserved for landscaping and so that

that gives you a picture of what was originally intended and then you look at what's used now no that's actually that needs to be updated um that has the town home so it wouldn't have that those the list of the extra Town Homes there but still in Development Area one there are there's a lot there's not 50 Landscaping again what did you just say there's not what 50 Landscaping in area one in the plans that you're looking at so finally I mean going back through the comprehensive plan sections compatibility remains an issue um these variety of issues traffic analysis we do still have significant questions that remain I've included a letter from Drew Roark an engineer who did look at the May analysis he kind of just quickly looked at it he wasn't able to do a full analysis but what he did notice is that many of the methodologies were the same and he did have some issues with that methodology um especially given the magnitude why was the study area so small given the development of this magnitude ultimately Pasco County and Saddlebrook deserves better we think that there can be some more changes for the conditions Larry barbetta is going to speak more about it and one last thing that I do just want to clear up on the record there was some discussion um by staff that the fire and emergency said no comment so therefore it's counted to mean that it was approval however if you look at the schools it said no concerns if you looked at the parks under the same section it said no concerns if you looked at economic growth it explicitly said no concerns so the fact that there was no no comments provided I mean that's something that I think that on its face is different so I I leave you with that we um you know Mr Barbados will tell you a lot more explain the timeline and what we're looking at and I do just want to highlight again that the Coalition really has appreciated the opportunity to work with masks they are masks neighbors they will be Mass neighbors they want to see this be successful for everyone and to do that they want to make sure that there's true synchrony in the Landscaping that there's protection and that more oh most importantly that there's synchrony in the resort being renovated at the same time and in a clear and substantial way that protects the property owner's mask and through Development Area one through the same time so thank you very much any questions yeah no but I I will have some questions for Barbara based some things you said so it looks so we're calling Larry or better to the okay hello again this is Lawrence barbetta I live at 5326 Fox Hunt Drive and I've been sworn in so first of all again thank you for the time and we also thank you Commissioners for giving us time to work with Mast I think the time was

beneficial I think we've made some very significant progress in many areas so thank you and to my colleagues at Mast we've appreciated your time and sincerely the efforts you've put forth and I do think we've made good progress and I think we're close and I'm looking forward to finishing these last couple steps so we can get this over the goal line together and you can succeed and we can succeed as a community so we've made great progress where do we have concerns I need your help Commissioners is really two primary areas one deals with the revitalization of the resort in terms of the timing and the scope of the commitments the second area is we still have worries about area one in terms of density lack of Green Space the product Etc and the implications that has on our community we really do believe that this cannon should be a win-win win solution when for Mast when for the residents win for the county and we asked your help to get there because we really are close so where we make great progress as was mentioned earlier the Declaration of restriction to preserve the golf course and the views is is a tremendous benefit and benefits the community very much and we're happy to hear it that we have closure on them we also have a companion agreement that goes without the release to filing that's a very important um accomplishment and something that's important for our community and we're thankful in area one where we have concerns again and we'll discuss it more is just the scope now I was very excited to hear about the changes in the access in area two because that might create an opportunity perhaps to balance this better and there were earlier conversations where there was flexibility in possibly considering the movement of density between those areas in some way and so we would like to have um we would ask you to explore that in terms of the resort revitalization basically the timing really matters it matters to us as a community we've been through a lot this has been very very difficult on the community and what we're going to go through is going to be difficult as well so you know let's rip the Band-Aid off let's move it responsibly but let's move it quickly okay right now there's a lot going on and I'll break it down we think the fundamental is Jane communicated should be simple when you're getting the benefit of the development in the front area one and area two how about when you're ready to move people in there you're ready to welcome people back to a renovated Saddleback Resort we're not saying doors everything first and then start there but we are saying let's get some you know synchronicity with that let's do it

simultaneously move in there welcome us back here also I would point out that mass Representatives have conveyed in sworn testimony on numerous occasions that they don't require revenues or funding in area one or two to fund the resort Renovations so there shouldn't be a fiscal reason to hold that up and isn't the primary goal of this entire project to revitalize Saddlebrook not build more Apartments but to revitalize Saddle Brook we have to build Apartments to do it we understand but let's not lose sight of the goal okay these are the conditions of approval and I've highlighted a couple of areas I won't read them all lots of them are good in 28 the concern is note it says you're going to commence renovation when are you going to commence renovation of the existing condo hotel units owned by mast and some of the privately owned ones and start Renovations it's not until the first final building inspection in area one two and the completion of 18 Halls of golf okay we'll come back to that 29 also says the our first final inspection for unit 301 so they've moved in 300 people already in area one is when we have our first completion date at the resort that's a disconnect this speaks to the condo owners we think we should have privately owned people should be enabled the same turnaround time provided they support the resort plan the renovation plan in a timely manner and why this matters to us as a community is because it has a full functioning Resort not a few rooms and how it matters to the county is the revenue impact and along those lines the revenue impact is pretty simple if we look at Mast information that was provided even last night in 2022 when you look at gross revenues the county through its five percent penny for Pasco an additional one percent yields five hundred and twenty thousand dollars that's the County's money from According to mass information provided last night when I did the math off of their numbers when the resort is completed Mast is projecting the Rev par which is revenue per available room to increase from 43 in 2022 which is what happened a projected 57 in 2023 to 153 and a finished State and revenue per available room for those who aren't familiar with it means not just an average rate for the room that implies an occupancy forecast too okay so that's what that would mean that changes the gross of Saddle Brook just on the resort rentals from 7.4 million in gross revenue to 26.4 million tremendous gross County product I think that's the acronym you guys use and that's not including all the other money they spend outside of the room rental

the Pasco itself it means 520k last year projected 689 000 this year 1.85 million at a finished state so the sooner we get this done think of the economic impact to the county overall and the benefits to us okay so specifically when we look at this if you break down by the time you finish 18 Halls of golf if it got compressed to do it in one single season it would be November 2024 before the developer would be required to commence Renovations at the resort not finish commence why why would we want to wait that long and by the way doing that would result in closing down 18 holes so you only have nine left okay and if they spread it out over two seasons nine holes keep 18 open then go to the other nine Etc you wouldn't even start work until November 2025. okay that's too long why would we wait to start until then we've talked about the impact on Lost Revenue we also think again including everybody who owns a condo to be done at the same time provided they opt in would make sense okay so rather than just talk as Jane mentioned we've given some language this is the existing language the changes are ingrained instead of it saying 301 we would ask that when you're ready to move people into area one the first unit we didn't say area two by the way you could do area two earlier but when you're going to move people into area one be ready to welcome back at the resort let's be done it's not hard but second thing include all the condo owners that are privately owned if they opt in and then we ought to accomplish that we just have to change those two little sections in section 30. we provided that to you for your consideration we think it's very viable and measured so that's what we're concerned about oh there's one other thing which is we added the pool as well because we want some of the benefits for some of the amenities that matter to owners not just from a hotel perspective okay others will talk more about the traffic so I'm going to not cover that others will um but the plan still has challenges in area one with the green space as Jane brought up we see the apartments there's a there is a lack of Green Space we see a big issue with the impact of the vision Road in terms of having to turn right do u-turns Etc maybe with the changes in area two we could responsibly push a little bit of that density there and keep everyone off of the Saddle Brook Wishbone which is already Log Jam and Chokehold that's a big problem I don't care what any traffic study says that's a big problem okay the other thing that is something we should consider is when we have this Vision Road access which is certainly great and we appreciate that it pushes a lot of traffic through our small roads

that don't have sidewalks it runs a lot of traffic directly by a school okay something to consider from a safety perspective okay so in conclusion we would ask you to consider the reasonable adjustments that are very measured very practical and pragmatic and make sense for everyone even in masts benefit as well okay we think doing that would have a great economic benefit to the county it would have a great quality of life benefit it would absolutely support economic growth and tourism because you'll have the one Resort in Saddlebrook back I mean in Pasco back sooner and back where it needs to be it needs attention we all know that it needs it fast it doesn't take long to trash a reputation okay we think that what we're proposing is a win-win-win and we would ask for your help and support to make it real we thank Mast for the concessions they've made and for working with us and we thank the county for all of your support and your time and consideration thank you very much thank you Pat Hogan Pat Hogan 30304 Laurelwood Lane Wesley Chapel and I've been sworn in um so it's probably no secret what I'm going to talk about everybody's kind of telegraph for me so we're going to talk about golf a little bit um and the concern that we have as uh owners in Fairway Village you heard Mr really talk earlier about uh being stuck behind golf carts in his uh and on his way home while I live Three Doors Down from where he lives so I feel his pain but the problem with the with the layout as it stands uh is that there the plan is to use roads that are owned by Fairway Village HOA Fast Car Pass and uh we have been told and we hope that that it does come to fruition that there are truly going to be car passed but if we look at uh we'll look at this we I did a little diagram here so we can show you what's going on so in one the Red Arrows as you can see there the main road going all the way through the through the middle of the picture is Fairway Drive the Red Arrows show the first nine and the routing that would need to take place you see the two on the far left of the pitcher once you're done hole two you have to get on Fairway Drive and go all the way down to see where the the three arrows are in the middle you can see the red arrow comes down and you go to Hole three there that takes about 45 seconds so there's a drive along there that that that has to be done and that's on a road where there's joggers there's there's bikers there's kids with baby there's women with baby carriers it's a residential road with no sidewalks so in the current plan the current layout for all of the holes in Saddlebrook it with the exception of three crossover points

all of the the travel between holes is done on the golf course it doesn't come on the road like it is here so carrying on with number number uh with the with the Red Arrows once you're done hole three well then you got to get back on the road again to get to Hole four and you can see the red arrow that goes up up there again so you go around play those holes in that area then you come and you get to Hole seven you can see a green arrow I chose to do that green because from hole seven to get the whole eight you got to get back on the road again and you got to get the whole eight and then after down hole eight you get off you get back onto Fairway Drive and you go back down and you intersect with the golf course again back down the left hand side and that's just one nine T times in golf at Saddle broker every eight minutes so you can have anywhere from two cards to four carts depending on on who's playing on the road for only that tea time so every eight minutes this happens so you've got travel going both ways a real safety concern for uh people who live in Fairway Village the other arrows uh the other purple arrows show the the um the routing in the in the third nine that that's been proposed where you come from hole 22 going to Hole 23 and you get into that crowded area where there's three Arrows with golf carts going three different directions all Crossing like that and it happens every eight minutes then you go around you play 23 you play 24 25 and then you got to get back on the road again to get to hole 26. so I guess I just want to point this out and and I know that uh our friends at Mast who have been they owe they always listen to concerns and they always come up with a plan and we just want to make sure that the plan as it stands doesn't include Fairway roads it does include double care pests in some areas and certainly car pass to keep the traffic that's on the golf course away from the away from the resident traffic that we have there in Fairway Village thanks can I ask the question sure go ahead are you saying you don't want golf cart traffic on your roads we're saying we don't want golf cart traffic on the roads between holes now what what what uh what we right now we have crossover points between the roads for example on the Palmer Course we do that but now as it stands with with the way the proposed layout is they're actually traveling on on Fairway roads to get from for example from hole two to three you get on a fair you get on Fairway Drive from from three to four you get on Fairway Drive from seven to eight you get on Fairway Drive do you prefer that the golf course go away no no I'm saying I'm saying in part of the renovation should include a cart powder that's all I'm saying that's all I'm saying is a cart path remedies all this but but to put all of that traffic on on the on the on those roads that's

that's a lot of cart traffic on the roads it becomes a safety hazard because between those roads where Mr really and I live we go through that area to get from the the start of Saddlebrook to where we live okay that that's the point yeah anything else um thank you for showing us there's actually some longer trips on the other side too but um I'm sure Reese Jones will be taking a good look at everything and improve this thank you Andrew Pines how much time do we have here six minutes I need to reintroduce myself and yeah Andrew Pines 5249 Saddlebrook Way Leslie Chapel hi I'm sworn in thank you so I'd like to address the email that I sent to all of you last night and most importantly I bought into saddle book a year just about a year ago I bought on the history I bought them the vision of what's possible here and I think we've been at this because we are all committed to the same goal which is to make Saddlebrook great again and it has incredible potential and as Larry pointed out all we're asking for is accountability Mass capital for many meetings as barbotaku did showed all kinds of renderings really promised the residents and the condo owners everything what this place is going to look like and I imagine in your mind you have a vision of what Saddlebrook will look like when when they're all finished yesterday the president of the condo association I'm a condo owner emailed us asking to email every one of you in full support of mass proposal it wasn't until 5 35 PM that we received I received and from what I've heard from other condo owners the actual costs associated with upgrading our condo units from what they presented in the pictures and the estimated costs originally the numbers have now doubled so the calculations that we had was that the condo owners were going to spend 25 million dollars collectively and yeah they have 75 of them they'll do their part to renovate and upgrade Saddlebrook to the level four plus star that we're all envisioning for this place now let's just estimate they're asking us to spend 50 million dollars of our money to renovate without any additional support on their behalf the only reason we're talking about business you know business issue between owner and and investors is because they came to you asking for special approval to for rezoning for the Golden Goose we all know there's no secret here area one is where the fortune is going to be made on this and where they're going to make a nice return on their investors and possibly you know if there was an earn out from what I've heard to the Dempsey family they'll capitalize as

well on the plans for area one which is wonderful I'm all for a big for business succeeding I want Saddlebrook to succeed they've asked us now to go from 25 million to 50 million to renovate this Resort that they bought and yet they're not committing to one dollar in fact they want I think Larry pointed out to be able to develop up front and only commence down the road Jordan in our meetings had said to me we can't expect the condo owners to invest unless we match them with investment in the resort and all they're saying is yeah we'll update the lobby we'll update the restaurant we'll update the meeting rooms which is all well and good for the owners of the resort but as the condo owners where's our matched Resort in the things that matter to us we want a four-star pool we want a membership you know we want newer looking you know everything that we use and come and experience and we want our return on investment and the things that matter to us but there's no commitment from them Larry's proposal to change it have this place ready for Star like you showed us in the pictures but when you're ready to get going level one is completely reasonable that's all we're asking you for your help commissioner Oakley the day of your wedding you expressed you know support that you hold them a you know accountable to what's best for the county and I really appreciate that thank you commissioner waitman I know you grew up here this is your District right I can't imagine you expected a decision of this in your first year of sitting in this scene so my heart goes out to you and I thank you for your support on such a huge issue in your own District thank you Jack thank you just thank you commissioner Starkey we share a lot in common my family also I come from very successful developers so I do understand and appreciate your commitment to growth and development in this County thank you and to commissioner Bradford you're listening in I would tell you if I had two hours we could sit down and I could give you all the clues to solving this one but unfortunately this process doesn't allow for it I appreciate the extra time to speak for this at the end of the day again we're all committed to the same thing here we're just asking for a little bit more help to create win-win-win so that your vision that you have for Saddlebrook gets put in writing with some dollar commitments today the worst case scenario is still possible they get approval for the front they commence things in the front they turn around flip this thing make their profits go all the way back to Miami return their investors in two years probably double their investors money

they possibly get their earn out and we're left still without cyberbrook getting to be the four plus star that they showed us that they've sold every condo owner every resident all of you everyone on of what Saddlebrook is possible please help us get them to honor their commitment to match that 50 million dollars that they're now asking us to put into this resort to revitalize them it's just not fair that it has to all fall on the condo owners and they're not being held accountable to a similar type commitment thank you for your time thank you okay that was the end of the list with the special timing so um moving back to here so Keith Swope you were signed up for both 5066 Fox Hunt Drive to Chapel and were you sworn no can you state whether you've been sworn Steve Swope at 5066 Fox Hunt Drive we're useful I wasn't yes I'm sorry thank you you were yes thank you uh I won't make it really fast this will be really easy for you to do a lot of things I want to happen Starkey said earlier she was saying that in the first match she said I'll blanket but it needs to be greener that front interest needs to be green and that's what we want we want it nice and pretty back down some of the apartments maybe even take the top story off where we've had we're from four to three stories you get rid of 25 of your parking and you got 25 more green how are you doing move all the apartments over to section two I mean I don't care if you've got 20 stories first five stories parking you know make everything else from the whole place for you as far as I'm sorry we move the townhouses over the continent town has it over on our property whatever it takes but make it for you the second thing if they're going to have Division Road in they said the visual will be finished before they start doing the apartment if that's the case great you don't need our road if that's the case use the vision mode everybody says we're ready to come out it goes this way to go that way in all these ways perfect don't use our roads if you do those two things you can have a lot of people that aren't sitting up here complaining and wasting your time at seven o'clock at night because they'll be really happy with you thank you very much good night thank you okay next I have to sign up Nancy Foster she might have left okay Barbara through doomberg she's boxing okay so the next one is uh Greg IL he's passing two Robert over here did you want to speak on this one

okay and then I saw Lily Zoo she left um so that is all we have signed up for public comment did anyone else want to speak please come forward I know you had a question earlier so sorry thank you everybody I just want to make sure um find an address and whether you've been sworn for the record please Karen Haviland 145 Collingwood Avenue Oakwood Ohio and yes I've been sworn in thank you thank you thank you a couple of things about the entrance up at the top of Saddle Brook and one of the traffic issues that I don't think the traffic report took into consideration is when people come to Saddlebrook they stop at that front gate they talk to the gate person they tell them why they're there where they're going and if it's a guest to the resort they get a they get a parking pass that goes in their car so there is a there's a delay it's not like a regular gate at other communities where people pull up and the gate goes up and they go in and I don't think the traffic studies considered that the other thing I don't think the traffic studies considered is during those periods when they have golf tournaments they have conventions there you know you've got when you fill up that Resort of 300 rooms you've got close to a thousand people coming in the gate and these people are coming from airports and and things like that and if they have to check out at six in the morning just to get out the gate to make it 10 o'clock plane it's not going to be their favorite place that they're going to write reviews on um so I wanted to talk about that again that's not considered in the traffic report and then also I am I'm a condo owner a hotel condo owner and I desperately want the resort to succeed and I am one of those people who is ready to put down our our piece into that 50 million dollar investment um but you know we talked about our place as a security and I'm thinking back to 2002 when we took a mortgage out and we bought our condo and we went in and we brought in our own silverware our own bedding our own everything to make that place our home for those 45 days and actually 45 days is only if you own one unit we own two units so we actually get 90 days some people have three units so they can actually stay there for a couple of months so this idea that it's a Securities or something that's the first time I'd heard that I'd never thought of it that way um but I think it is important that while the resort is under renovation we are paying the property taxes on our condos we are paying condo association dues on our condos and then in addition to that we're paying Resort fees every month on our condos

even if we only use them 45 days out of the year so we're putting a lot of money into that Resort and and and we're not asking anything in return from the county we're not we're not putting our kids in schools we're not looking at Social Services um we're not using the libraries and all the other things that go with um the property taxes um so Saddlebrook is a huge Money Maker for the county I read somewhere and you may probably already know this but ninety percent of tax revenues that come from high density population units like apartment units and stuff go back into the social services it's spent back on those properties so the return on investment when you go into these high density apartment complexes according to other municipalities they are the biggest money drained on human municipalities that that is what I have read in my research so I invite you to also consider that but properties that are residential single homes what they pay in taxes may be a lower amount to a big apartment building but they don't cost you the the doesn't cost Public Services the way high density anyways I I thank you very much for your time but I just wanted to share a couple of thoughts on that but I'm also on a win-win for uh Saddlebrook okay thank you anyone else you know I just want to speak he just said that come on again I've been sworn in 30338 Laurelwood Lane uh Wesley Chapel Florida Robert really um just kind of what she was mentioning there uh I actually sit on the tourist Development Council board um in that chair once a month for uh commissioner Whiteman City and with uh Jack so I know full well how important the the tourism industry is to the county it's uh it's it's grown a lot in the six years that I've been on the board um it's the the investment that is going to that is needed to revitalize the resort to back when I grew up there is what is it's going to be necessary from this development they need that kind of development to Spur this kind of the tax dollars the generated that that we can possibly do to get back to where we were this is necessary for that and it will also create jobs in the office space the retail and more jobs at the resort which right now you know it's a occupancy's low the pot the higher occupancy the more employees that you will have for the county um and as far as you know I've heard about this burnout thing so I just wanted to mention on that um you know I toured probably two dozen companies personally of buyers of the property when we were selling the property every single one of those was going to do more develop than Master's going to do they were going to get rid of the school and most of them were going to make it a change which everyone here

would have hated more than everything that's going on this is a conversation we had with our family and we decided that's partly why we wanted to go with mass because they were going to keep the Saddlebrook Legacy because they were going to keep the schools and the earn out process was just a function of speeding up and negotiation rather than arguing how much that land is worth because it needed to be abusive and the last thing that no one has actually said I think this entire time is that if we make this restorative four or five star resort like it should be every single home value in Saddle brick is going to be worth more you know if you have the access to have you know you're on the proximity of a five uh four or five star resort and you can drive your golf cart there which other people can't do and you have memberships every single house in saddleworth will be worth more money thank you anyone else from the audience want to speak anyone on WebEx okay uh like Steph if I could well doesn't Barbara get them yeah but she will she will staff um I'm gonna bring David up if you want to talk first that's fine all right [Music] hello again David Engel economic growth director hello David um Jane Graham when we had met we had sent you a copy of what the conditions they would like to see we talked about instead of being the 301st unit going to the first unit and then not having 50 of the condo units but 100 of the third party owners all factored in how did those conversations go well if you recall commissioner I had broached the subject of maybe going to a Time certain stipulation but I looked at it and there's issues if there was a force measure or some type of state of emergency in Florida which would effectuate a problem with that concept so we didn't pursue it any further I had no discussions at any time on the 351 down to 301. nobody asked me to look at that and I didn't really perform an analysis I looked at it though in the fact that there's a 53 million dollar investment on a resort I don't know what the financing vehicles that mass is using they didn't provide that information so I believe and we do this with economic projects allow a latitude of cash flow and I I thought that potentially some of the cash flow generation up in area one would help underwrite the financing on the resort itself so I didn't really get into anything further than that well I wish you would have because it was very important went to the residents so let me ask you this when we look at the cash flow Etc as one of the ladies that the lady just mentioned she's one who's probably well to do is she can pay her renovation there's probably a whole bunch more that can so I would like to have the opportunity for those people if they agree go to the

terms to be able to get to construction right away it's good for the resort it's good for them it's good for Pasco County have you thought about that angle where again it wouldn't be at a mass time they're going to pay the frame well so why wouldn't we be able to go that way Mast and I talked about that and they did agree if if available to have a financing vehicle or mechanism within the renovation plan and that stipulated I think in condition 32. you missed my point I'm not asking for a financing plan I'm telling you people that can pay for it and will pay for it that why don't we put them in a plan where they can get their Renovations done right away the timing mechanism so if you if you sign up for the plan you have the money you can go you can get get the renovation started immediately is that is that our place to keep telling yeah I generally don't get involved in that type of Micro detail I mean come and tell me when I should order the ketchup in my in my store we've never done that before I I just don't understand this Invasion to somebody else from private business so stop let's stop for a second I'm going to go too far because let's think about this what's the difference of you're going to say it's going to be 351 units 300 yards or one unit or if the people it's right here you give that conditions right now on numbers 100 and I'm talking about serious that we're even in this discussion I I mean I I I I businessman businessman you know business people understand cash flow and what you're asking them to do when they're already cash flowing so much without getting it back now I I just even just want to call the freaking question now you missing are you missing the point I'm saying the people that will pay their money for their own building that they own to get it renovated now instead of waiting three years do we want to look at a plan for that are you gonna are we going to go into every business in the county and tell them how to run it you tell me the difference between 351 300. one of those Finance guys I think one of those guys went to Stanford and has an MRS from a school as good as my son's school he could probably tell you how much that would cost and I mean that's millions of dollars that I'm taught we've already cut them back from we took those condo those Townhomes out in the front I mean we keep whacking them on the bottom line the bottom line we're not touching the bottom line it's yes we did we they took out Townhomes at the entrance I'm talking about right now my conversation is not even about them spending a dime you got two Commissioners commission thank you chair yeah I'll do respect chairman I've raised my hand because I we're wading into a territory that I'm not comfortable with on the the money piece

this is a business transaction we're looking at zoning but to your point on the number of units for Co wrote on my questions to the 301st unit once so with 301 use maybe for the applicant I'm not sure so when the the 301st unit comes online does that mean 301 people have moved in well those are the two two three one households that have moved into area one 50 percent of the private units that have opted into the renovation plan will be completed so it's 301 physical moved in well CEO CEO so just because there's a CO doesn't mean there's people physically in there that's what I want the clarification on so if we get three you hit 301 CEOs that means you could be however long down the road before you start leasing the project that's what I'm looking to get clarity on here well the clarity commissioner is is that at the 301st CEO 50 of the units that have opted into the renovation plan will be complete at the inclusion of area one all of the renovations will have taken place in the resort will be open for business here so that's a pretty tight time that's not three years down the road in inferred unless somebody tells me I'm I'm wrong again I'm I'm very concerned that we're wading In Too Deep in this in in the business matters of this I understand advocating for the consumer and the resident but there's a major business transaction here that we need to be sensitive to and I can't imagine as a as a business owner I would be pretty I'd I'd be I'd be struggling at this point in time no matter your value uh so to be clear the 301 units that trigger cos but that doesn't mean 301 families have moved into those those and so if that's the case I guess this is a question for Mass what's your plan is it you're planning to capture those 301 CEOs what's your timeline of rolling folks in I think if we understood some potential Clarity on that then that would see the timeline with what you're doing with the with your Road expansion the Wiregrass Ranch Boulevard and to the project at the work in in the resort if if we could get some clarity on that piece I'd I'd be grateful there Mr chairman if while they're coming up having a stopper is reasonable which is what the 301 units is in in any development condition because you don't want to have what used to be referred to as a throwaway phase that they built what they wanted to build and it doesn't it's not economically right or they don't have to economically proceed and you don't get what you want the government doesn't get what it wants as part of the deal

but that stopper has to be reasonable for both sides and so I'm just trying to assuage your concern about why it's in the deal I'm not necessarily arguing that well I am arguing that 301 is probably a reasonable stopper for this sort of a project I'm not it's not the 301 it's it's the work around the 300 CEOs versus people like what's the is it folks in for example but it's it's it's a it's a it's a certificate so that means it could still be time before physical people are living potentially living in that project there and there could yeah I mean it's available for occupancy commissioner the average actors were written in probably Western Shop was like 98 so how long do you think it's gonna be before they fill up I mean we're asking some pretty in-depth questions figure out though mine out there well the Sunny Side of this discussion is is that the units will be under renovation before the 301st that means 50 percent have to be complete by 301. commissioner yeah I don't want to get involved in the masses operation of how they're going to handle those units the fact of it is is to the benefit of the citizens the residents there and Mass to make this project the best project they can make it because they can't turn a dollar outside of there until they put it the way it should be and I think what you're going to find you're going to find a very well built Saddlebrook that's a modern age Saddlebrook that's different from the one that was in in the 80s and you're going to see that thrive in this new economy that we have now and I I think they're going if if they don't take care of traffic and they can't get people in and out of there guess what they're not going to rent anything in there it's not gonna happen they're going to look at traffic as they're building and having construction in different areas they're going to be paying attention and taking care of that to complete a job that they are taking on that costs a lot of money and they they can't just lollygag around they've got a go forward and get this thing done or they can't rent up if those units aren't starting to be renovated in the hotel area they're not going to rent them because nobody's going to stay in them because they're outdated so you know good and well it's their purpose also to make that look as great as it can and they've already started some of those issues but you'll see more once they get through this system and and get started but I I certainly believe Mass has the foresight to realize that if they don't do what's right about this project they won't go anywhere with it in the future and they won't be able to

make the money they could make if they do it the right way and I think they're going to do that the right way for the citizens that live in Saddle Brook Mr Starkey I have a couple questions on and you know we haven't let Barbara do her bottle notes what stuff first stuff first well I don't know if I want to hear it I think I've heard enough I think we're good but I do have two questions my contact s I've totally given out so I can't even see anybody out there um uh okay doesn't Mast um units too 75 75 units okay and I think they're been buying you know they've been buying some so they you know they want they want to fill their units yeah so they got you know they want to make money on their units but I did hear James say Landscaping and Parks I got comfortable with the trails but I didn't I just wondering what wondered what was she speaking about about the Landscaping coverage um also the um I I did have a question on that lot coverage and that she showed that Matrix but that was going to be one of the items under my commissioner items that I want to talk about but I'm not going to do it today um is there a um are you asking for relief from the county park ordinance here because I did I did not see something about a park so regarding neighborhood parks the condition that was that Miss Graham read to you is the condition that says we have to comply with the ordinance unless we seek any alternative standards we do alternative standards under the park ordinance clubhouses don't meet aren't allowed to meet no I'm talking about the apartments I'm just saying neighborhood parks witness I'm saying we have to reply through neighborhood parks ordinance we can we miss Grandma's right that apartment projects do seek alternative standards to your neighborhood park ordinance because your neighborhood park ordinance as I wrote it is wrong because you have the same requirement for apartments let's say you have whatever Acres I'm just an average project 15 Acres of for our apartment project 300 units you have to have three acres so what percentage of that is of your land we wrote the we wrote the neighborhood parks ordinance wrong the same amount of land that you need for single family homes if you have 300 single family homes you have to have three acres well the acreage for a single family home development is much larger so the percentage is a lot less so it's not written right but what we've done is Staff works on alternative standards they're very proactive on it they want to see quality but we're not seeking in connection with

the zoning any variation from the neighborhood parks ordinance it'll be addressed with the plans we have modern requirements on top of that so we have a lot of those things to go through with regard to Landscaping we have provided the enhanced Landscaping on Saddlebrook Way Way Beyond what the code requires Yes you heard that commercial could go there today that's true we could do a strip Plaza and out as far as I ever say this because that sounds like a threat or something we could do but we could do a basic strip out there without parcels and we could have Senate 102 housing out there so so but again I always sounds like a threat so I don't even want to say that but I didn't bring it up um it was brought up by Miss Graham so I wanted to respond to it this project doesn't allow us to do those things anymore it doesn't allow for Senate Bill 102 housing it doesn't allow for anything stripped it allows for a very nice high quality Village Center and doesn't just allow for it it requires it but there won't be Landscaping in the parking lot I mean you're following all the rules that's correct and that's correct you know this is a you know hopefully back to five star resort I would imagine you're gonna have five star landscaping packages yeah you've seen the renderings which are rendered for this project not just something we took off the internet um it's their front door too so okay on the parking are you at 2.2 and is that because you have retail and Commercial down there besides the unit so 2.25 is your code requirement um that's your code we vary that do alternative standards for most all excuse me not most most well I should say but there's a couple that have complied for all of our apartment projects we do a lot less than that your code's actually in the process of being updated 1.9 I'm going it's going there's different ideas on how to get that parking right so we'll be subject to your code and we don't want to overdo our parking either so and the most like I say your code today makes projects over Park yes I agree but we're not in residential but in in multi I agree with you and multi-family Apartments yeah makes you overpark um and so I would I guess you would be accommodating golf cart parking um yes which takes place remember we're putting that eight foot path in you know I heard the comment that um we're gonna division was going to push traffic where there's no sidewalk down in front of the Golf Academy that's where the eight foot path is going we're putting in that connectivity so that people can get back and forth from area one in golf carts where that doesn't exist today because there's no sidewalks so I did appreciate the comment the questions because I think questions are really good I don't get a lot of questions I get a lot of suggestions and a lot of opinions and a lot of my thinks and you can't really deal with all those things because Mass has to know they

can't think but I did want to answer your questions about where the front gate is today and the fact that you have to stop and I've done that too because I've come to your to your Resort um the gates being moved back so the queuing will be increased the golf tournaments and events how to get out that's always been a problem it's because you only have one way and one way out we with much expense four or five million dollars expense are putting in a second access that you'll be able to that you as a resident can get in and out of um but for event people are events they can get out because you want to come through the gates you want to get their license plate and everything but for people getting out they can use that a second entrance so I wanted to respond to your questions because they were good questions thank you I just wanted to say you know when you hear like little changes just make a little change those are these are big changes and even I tried about you know I'm like what about this what about that and they're like explaining to me these are big changes these are big things but let me just tell you about something that means something to me before they can have the first CEO which I agree is not moving people in and if you want Aaron to talk about how you lease one of these products how you build one and how you lease them because you don't just build a portion of a project build the whole project so it means that not only do they have to they have a stop at 301 but they can't get finish that project and they finish everything else so it's that's a there's a lot there but let's read what they actually have to do before that First Co in Development Area one or two new driving Lanes three to four million dollars renovation of 18 holes of golf course six million dollars Division Road three to four million dollars that's 13 million dollars before they can have the First Co that's significant investment not only that but they have to commence on all of these areas which again commencing on all of it you can't do it all the same time so you talk about phasing the other thing commissioner chairman every Resort owner first of all you're assuming people can't afford it but we haven't heard anybody say they couldn't afford it nobody's here today telling you they can't afford these Renovations um but the way we structured the renovation plan language is that when you put the renovation plan out you tell those owners look you have until a certain date to sign on so we can include you in our pool of units so to be renovated but they have to be phased so I can't say that Unit 102 perhaps could be the last phase of that pool and my clients got unit 103 you know 104. so it's complicated by the phasing but we did want to make sure that we scooped everybody in that wanted to get in and so as we phase by buildings the people that want to get

in we'll get in we'll get done so I think it works its way out we really were thoughtful about those things and that that written in that condition about the renovation plan to make sure there was a lot of different practical commitments that made sure that our Resort owners were successful just like we're going to be successful I appreciate all the time you've all spent on this project all your hours and we ask for your support it's time for to to let Mast fly and we've worked so hard at putting everything together and it's time to let them fly let them do great things thank you chairman but one thing we need to check about 30 seconds after I told you there was no one on WebEx I was informed that a Barry Sheen is on but we have not heard anything so I just need to call his name is that okay sure so Barry Sheen are you on WebEx for public comment I assume very muted is this a three minute it is awesome are you there Barry okay three minutes three minutes so if you'll give your name and address and let us know if you've been sworn my name is Barry shine I have not been sworn okay address I cannot see him but I guess if you raise your right hand do you swear affirm the testimony you are about to give is a truce to help you God yes I do [Music] can you okay thank you go ahead Mr Sheen at the order of his address did you give your address my address is 5151 Pine Lake Road in Fairway Village okay thank you and a board members [Music] I have been very involved [Music] Resorts experience requests update as you know the board of the association recommended approval after surveying all of the units but honestly in this evening I'd like to speak to teach me at the Fairway Village coma because I not only own the investment property in the Walton Village I also own a very lovely home my wish is the homeowner would be permit to keep the golf courses to change but that's the Dream It's a dream I I know I can't achieve and it went close to the process from the beginning I know this is not possible and it is still in the best interest the most Fairway Village homeowners to support to provide an online plan as one of those Fairway owners and there are many of us who are very much in favor of every match up ahead I urge to this report and that's all I said thank you thank you so we'll close public okay okay sorry question if you don't mind looking Sparkle one more question if you don't mind when

asked forever one more question one more question and then we'll have my question so that's fine um and again Barbara I'm not trying to impede their Redevelopment and in the process they're going to go through to take the uh driving range and have it built before they take the other one out before they start the apartments I don't even care if they start on the other buildings over on the side road of Van Dyke area two so I don't want to slow you guys down as far as starting progress over there does it doesn't affect the resort it doesn't matter to me I know I'd run a see them go so I don't even care if there's any conditions to that frankly um the access I'm very happy we took care of that Friday when I asked the question and again it's not meant to throw complications to the matters but the way it's set is there a way to get all the owners that want to do to help them move along quicker whatever the way that is I just want to make sure that we don't limit it where it doesn't start for three years I mean I don't know what the plan how quick the plan is but if we can help it I'd rather sit down with you guys to go work out a plan to help exp to implement a great permitting plan to speed up the process to get the turnover and let the people that have the money that sign up quick that want to go along with it to help that get done quicker it's important to them the residents and it's important to us so I'm just trying to help with that mode you've already got conditions in here and I I firmly believe whether you say 350 30101 there's something in there so there's conditions but if there's a way we can help it I don't even give it's done right now frankly but I'd like to try to help to try to get it done so those Renovations get done to help the resorts Thrive to help masks go get better help the people get better and help our economy get better every step of the way so that's all I'm trying to accomplish at this moment for the people and for Mass appreciate that will be a big project we know it's sometimes challenging with permitting inspections and all those things so we appreciate the offer to really we want to get past this point then we can roll up our sleeves and we appreciate that offer okay thank you I move approval second any further discussion and that would be with the revised conditions that were submitted Mission wave thank you yeah Mr Pines was right didn't know walking in such a big big project coming in right out of the gate but it's part of the job but through this process I just you know want to thank Mr miss barbetta Mr Pine your family and um Mr Hogan appreciate y'all's time you spent number of hours together uh very much enjoyed getting to know you

guys you know Miss Barbara your advocacy is is fierce and uh appreciate what you've done and uh learn a little bit from me too sitting up here so I I appreciate the time y'all put in and your passion for not just Saturday but for our whole Community you know helps keep us in line and it feels good to know other people care as much as we do so thank thank you all and then to mass Capital uh I guess welcome welcome to Pasco County um you know look we're we're putting our name behind you right you're you've you've got something special Mr Dempsey chose y'all Dempsey family's here and uh we all have high expectations I think that's you've heard us loud and clear don't let us down don't let the folks that live there down I think you've seen you know I'm kind of proud to be tip of this beer on boxing live local and what that means for multi-family what it means for jobs and job creation and value of our community so I don't move forward in voting for multi-family projects lightly at all very deliberate so uh you know let's get to work and and build something great here and and you know make the residents of South Brook proud that y'all are there you're their partner thank you Mr chair any question well I I do want to um thank mass and the residents it was a long laborious um process but we got to the finish line and I and I I you know I we had some dogged residents who worked hard for their community that got some very good concessions and you guys worked hard to get those and I appreciate masks um working with the residents I can't remember how many meetings you guys said you had but um a lot and so um I'm really thankful that you stuck with it and you're here in the county and you can see how much these residents that are here love their community and and want to protect it and I have faith that that through this process and through your commitment that it's going to be the Saddlebrook that we used to know and like I said I was there Sunday um my grandkids are guests playing in the big hockey tournament that's occurring this week they're in from the West Coast and um you know I I love Saddle Brook but I could see that it needs a lift and I'm looking forward to it and I I know the rest of us are I used to go to Dempsey's for anniversaries that was like the place to go with Pasco County for an anniversary dinner right so um welcome to Pasco residence we we will make sure that uh that they follow through and um I'm just glad we're at the end of the meeting we're not we are not done we have to stay and continue our meeting yeah for 30 seconds there's no after party it will be done we might beat you guys out the door

uh I like to say that uh you know for the residents uh your arguments your your concerns and everything else you represented yourself tremendously well um uh Mast I disagree with you a lot we know uh but but you know what we've had at least dialogue and for where we are right now compared to where before it is so much better um I I want to say with the land use I'm comfortable with that vote I'm good with that vote but I'm going to support you in this one um because I I still believe that we can do even more good things down the road and I want to help you with permitting with everything else with the development because I want you guys to succeed these people have invested but it's not just their money it's their hearts their souls their families Etc so I want to see you get better is it the way I thought it should go no but that doesn't matter right now we've got what's in front of us now uh we're going forward with it I want you guys to thrive and I want to help you every step of the way and as a United board I want you to know that tourism is very important you guys are very important the people are very important so we want to make this thing go as strong as we can so as much as it's been a battle a long one grueling uh at least we're here and then commissioner Oakley go ahead I think I said it when I gave him a motion but I I really believe in the project I believe mass will do what they say they're going to do I think it'd be great for the citizens I can't hardly I'm kind of excited about it I'm waiting to go out and have a steak dinner like I used to have in a steak restaurant I don't know if it'd be called Dempsey's but whatever it's called I'll be out there to eat so but they've they've had a tradition in the past that will carry forward with mass doing what they're supposed to do and and the residents you're going to have a beautiful place you have a beautiful place as it is but it's going to get doctored up a little bit with uh some newness in the modern day so I certainly look forward to that and I I agree and that's I I'll be out there standing by you looking at what you're doing so with that uh it's called a question did you did you make the motion district one commissioner Oakley aye District 2 commissioner Weightman aye District 3 commissioner Starkey aye district fort commissioner Bradford District Five chairman Mariano aye motion passage okay people gentlemen good luck oh it's D3 here no we're gonna fix this another one go ahead you sure okay very good yeah I I need board support here to allow staff to waive LDC 700.8 for a pilot study this is for the Connerton 3-2 project which will allow us to approve review times as it comes to site plans and plots as it stands right now they have

to have the site plan all approved and done before they submit their platform I lost my third just quiet please as you exit we're trying to finish off our business yep so what this will allow us to do by by waiving that requirement it'll allow us to simultaneously review a plot and a site plan so this is just a pilot project I want to see how it works and if it works out great then we may be able to develop the process to improve review times and allow development to proceed faster okay Mr kabala can you say what yes 700.8 of the LDC okay thank you move to approve at least your state promotion move to approve the funding for the pilot study I don't need funding I I just need to waive the LDC requirement for staff that's it the LDC requirements it requires a sequential the LBC requires a sequential review of site plans followed by a plat this is going to allow them to overlap start simultaneously almost time to Market all right all right insufficiency I figured commissioner away yes okay district one commissioner Oakley District Two commissioner Weightman District three commissioner Starkey aye District 4 commissioner Bradford all right District Five chairman Mariano hi thank you thank you very much and I do have one more thing I know it's late but this is this can't wait this will be uh Gina Jeffers last board meeting she is actually accepted a job with Pasco County Schools she will be a kindergarten teacher which is what she went to school for so she leaves us at the end of this month so she won't be back but we want to thank her even though she was in the role for a short time she made a heck of an impact thank you Gina I guess you'll send them back to me again and I'll figure it out but I just want to give her a round of applause thank you again thank you sir and you're going to waive your committee report I'm gonna no I'm going to continue until next time commission Bradford that's fine commissioner Bradford anything no okay and I just want to say uh scalloping has been going fantastic out on the uh the gulf a lot of people have enjoyed it so it's working out well and we are adjourned [Music] foreign [Music]