05.16.2023 Pasco County Budget Workshop

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Library thanks sir appreciate y'all's patience yes this is pretty fast couple of rock stars on the team able to pull together yep I'm gonna call the order of the meeting for the workshop agenda for Tuesday May 16 2023 please write to the invocation pledge your hand is open wide to satisfy the needs of every living creature make us thankful for your loving Providence and Grant that we remembering the account that we must one day give may be faithful stewards of your good gifts amen amen to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all I think we should say budget workshops teams are okay Workshop Jesus Christ [Music] commissioner Gary Bradford excuse District Five chairman Jack Mariano here so topic of discussion one 2024 budget Mr Carabella wonderful well thank you uh thank you Mr chair Commissioners today we are here as kind of the early part of the budgeting process to get input uh via budget workshop and so Bob Warrick here will kind of review with you a little bit on the on the budget timetable just a review of what save our homes is about talk to you then with some assumptions that we have put in in this first run at the budget some scenarios and then kind of follow it up with with the actual budget numbers and then we'll be looking for your input on what we've presented here as well as just a number of other things to understand your priorities so that way we can fully put forth the budget and do great things in 2024 so I'll turn it over to Mr gorg thank you so before we dive into the numbers we just wanted to review with you the budget timetable so we are expecting the preliminary tax bill assessed values from the property appraiser on June 1st and on July 1st we will receive the final assess taxable assessed values keep in mind that those assessed values can change between the June 1 preliminary and the July numbers so we will set the trim of the board we'll set the trim on July 11th as part of Florida law the property appraiser notifies all property owners of the proposed millage rates through a mailing known as the truth and millage mailing in August and so the speaker so the board has must adopt a uh millages for the various funds prior to that mailing keeping in mind that the millage that you set in July can be lower than the final millages that you adopt in September but they cannot be higher so we wanted to review with you and our residents at home the save our homes Amendment to the Florida Constitution

under the Florida save our homes the taxable assess value of a property can increase by three percent or the change of inflation whichever is less the change in inflation that will be used for this year's calculation is six and a half percent therefore the taxable assessed value of homesteaded properties cannot increase by more than three percent non-home stated properties there is a cap of 10 percent increase on non-homesteaded properties and we've really only achieved that level of taxable assessed value increase in the past two years so an example of this for a typical single-family home of 150 000 for a homesteaded property the taxable value would increase three thousand dollars that would be three percent of a hundred thousand dollars so it would be 150 000 would be the taxable assessed value of your home it is homesteaded so we subtract the fifty thousand dollar standard exemptions for a hundred thousand dollars taxable value so at that rate the homesteaded property owner would pay an increase of twenty two dollars and eighty two cents in additional property taxes not because the tax rate has changed but because the value of the property has increased non-homesteaded Property Owners on the other hand uh last year hundred fifty thousand dollar increase there are no standard exemptions that for the taxable that property is 150 000 and that property owners taxable property taxes would increase by 114.11 so we wanted to look over the save our homes cap since 2010 you can see since 2010 the save our homes cap of three percent has been reached only three times uh during all that time so that is a that's a great benefit to our residents however it does limit the amount of revenues that the county can bring in and regardless of how much the inflation is this year as we said the taxable assessed value of the homestead of properties will only increase by three percent so when we built the budget that we are presenting to you today we had the these budget assumptions we are assuming no change in the operating millage of 7.6076 Mills yes ma'am commercial properties would be the same they would be something do you talk about it it is the same no Homestead you can't Homestead a commercial property right from Southern properties there's no caps on it's a 10 cap for commercial property but do you have any of that information in here no it would be the same calculation as we've just shown so if the property if a commercial property was valued at 150 000 dollars their property taxes would increase by 114 so it would be the same for commercial as it would be for a single family home because they're they're not subject to the three percent cap but they have a cap their Captain ten percent

we never break it out between residential and Commercial when we're going through no but we can in the future I think that would be interesting to know because I think we should be tracking our commercial values as a percentage of total yeah right yeah we have that data their cap is 10 they'd be sending to the CPI change not the ten percent thank you um yeah the commissioner starkey's point I'd really like to see what we have coming online that's currently online I would like to see us be able to get with residential breaks and not meet up our commercial to that because that's what's going to be a pass-through to customers driving inflationary issue let's see that it's Equity very good we can break that up for you and as we're adding commercial it reduces the tax burden on the um yeah but we can't change right is the same for residential and and for commercial we don't have to take the 10 percent although no that's a state cap yeah right it's just that we don't it just would be good to see if we're doing a good job building up the commercial part of our um we can't dig this up for you we have those figures so what I'm hearing is you'd like to see what the increase in rates of commercial assessments and values have been over time with residential and perhaps even see maybe a a pie chart or something that would show your distribution as to who's paying what and the values tax bill if you will thank you chairs I'd like to see what what's coming you know what we have coming online too you know what we have in the pipeline as far you know you can look at the CEOs and what we have for a commercial coming up in 24. and that's pretty telling you know what we're forecasting but but either way that's that's a Commission that's important information for us to know if we're you know really doing a good job bringing the commercial values value here yeah uh I agree with you we need to see both I think because a lot of our bills for the county and our employees and all the the bills are being paid by a lot of commercial and we don't want to miss any opportunities in the future for having commercial where it's affecting us we want that commercial along with the housing because housing costs more commercial pays a lot of the bills so we need to make sure there's the right kind of balance for the whole County thank you I think it's good information too for us to know to see how we're growing we're trying to focus on creating exactly so that'll kind of give us a good indication yeah got it thank you so as we said when we built this preliminary budget for you these are the assumptions we put into that building of that budget so the no change in the operating millage as I mentioned no change in the fire mstu millage of 1.8036 mils no change in the

storm water assessment which is 95 dollars per eru water Wastewater rates are would be increasing at the rate in the four-year rate resolution which is one and a half percent for water three and a half percent for sewer and then we're in the year five of our Solid Waste seven for seven plant where we increase the assessment for solid waste by seven dollars per year to accumulate the funds needed to add the fourth burner to the waste to energy plant so we generated a number of taxable assess value scenarios we won't know the actual taxable assessed values until June 1st as we mentioned we used 8 12 and 16 for the general fund so if we just use the 12 in the middle net increase in property tax if the taxable assessed value is increased by 12 percent would be 35 and a half million dollars the allocation to the Sheriff's office then would be 14.2 million the increase in our payments to the cras about seven hundred thousand dollars then we have the Tiff which we use for transportation related expenditures that's just about two and a quarter million dollars that would leave 18.38 million dollars for the board and the constitutionals other than the Sheriff's Office if we look at the fire mstu millage we use a higher scenario rate here because generally the fire mstu millage taxable assessed values increase quicker than they do for the general fund so again if it increases by 14 we would expect the fire millage or the fire mstu to receive an additional nine and a half million dollars in Revenue during my my meeting with um them on my budget my budget meeting I asked them to break out what would be going to the different cities and you said New Port Richey was 2.1 yes ma'am um Dade City's 1.27 Port Richey 770. this is from the CRA right that's correct yes and Zephyrhills I put 300 000 but I think that's three million it's only 30 000 something like that they have a very small CRA area so they oh that's why it's so little so thirty thousand yeah okay but but New Port Richey is still 2.1 yes ma'am it's it's the largest started dialogue about what's really blame so if we look for some of our general fund priorities these are things that we've built into the preliminary budget first of all we have the County Medicaid contribution the state requires counties to share in the expense of Medicare our Medicaid we don't have the numbers for this yet we won't know the true expense until July and so this is simply an estimate based on prior years increases we expect that to increase by eight hundred thousand dollars or so we have inflation in our health insurance like everyone else does so we're expecting in the general fund Healthcare expenditures to increase by 750 000 Wiregrass Sports Complex we have a an agreement there to build those fields and maintain those fields out there public safety administration as you know last year we

created the public safety administration branch and so as that Branch grows we have additional expenditures for that Corrections contracts there are four contracts for the Corrections Department which will be expiring at the end of this fiscal year we don't know yet what those increases will be so in this budget we just estimated that those contracts would increase by 15 percent or 1.2 million dollars when when the actual contracts come in of course we will fund them at the level of which they are but for now we don't want to tie up money that we may not need yes thank you so in our contracts that are expiring how conservative are you estimating the increases to be I would much rather be heavier on your estimate so let me let me let me take this and that's fair so the Corrections Department had a very high number you know I would say that the numbers were increased by over 80 percent you know we felt that uh you know that a and again if we budget to that number you know there's there's an extra 5 million off the table that we're just going to set aside I would I would much I think it's probably more sound to see what the number is let's see what the market tells us versus tying up those dollars because if we if we tie them down now then we'll obviously they come in lower at the number that we want we can reallocate those monies at it really becomes a policy decision on your part if the board would like us to be ultra conservative on that that's fine we can be ultra conservative but I can tell you that that number is probably you know five times that number at this point in time and without having any other data to support that I'm inclined to go with a typical 15 to 20 inflationary number like we've seen in other sectors yes the provisional student extension yeah they're they're Food and Health Care I don't know JJ do you have something you can add yes sir uh we will be extending some of them to include the health care contract um just because we're going out for the process of writing a new RFP or imitation and negotiate and all those things and to Mike's Point or looking at across the board and Corrections opportunities to save money where we can buy if we have four contracts four different vendors can one vendor come in and do all four of those and get the cost savings so we're we're looking at all those opportunities but yes we will be extending some of the contracts as you know all the contracts were set on a one-year contract all to expire we're not going to do that we're going to stagger them I don't want to go through this process again and I don't want to go through it in three years right so so vibration at this point to do the extension or not uh it sounds like they've cooperated while we go through the RFP process correct

that that takes time but but to to the commissioner's point it just becomes policy issue if we tie the numbers up here then we're basically going to allocate that money and budget for it which will not leave any additional funds my preference would be to see what the market really says when the bid goes out but follow-up so for every all our contracts I hope that the county is going to our current vendors they're a good partner those Corrections are elsewhere and trying to have a negotiate a conversation to negotiate with him before going through a big process and seeing you know before the sticker shock happens it's going to happen I think if we have a good partner with a Vineyard in the county it behoove us to say hey would you know it could be a higher number I don't know what our procurement rules are as far as what forces have been but the conversation is worth having I hope that the county will do that with our vendors that are good partners CCNA that sort of thing is the contracts are Bid or proposed for a term of years usually it's three with two one year extensions when you get to the end of that it has to go back out again that's and then that's what the competitive process is so so you you could terminate it at the end of three and go out but you normally will have a period of years that that it can be extended but once you get to the end of that you can't privately negotiate with that vendor it's back out into the open market well that that doesn't that's where's the benefit to the taxpayer we're 40 inflationary highs if we can get another we should be able to have the flexibility to negotiate with a good partner if we can get a good rate for another 12 to 24 months instead of going to bid and seeing 100 cost increase we're in unprecedented Financial Times and I think that we need to have some flexibility to work with our good partners and our vendors versus just saying it's it's done they there's a good working relationship they say oh we'll take a 15 pi and we're good to go versus it going to bid you see an 80 jump I that's just my fault I'm just telling you what the law is that all rules yeah yes so you're covered by that if we can change our rules then no if there are they County ordinance or is it state or state so some of it is State one some of it is County ordinance we can we can look at your right coordinates and see if there are places that we can quote liberalize it but currently I'm telling you what the County ordinance currently says and the County ordinance was adopted to implement state law Mr robley uh yes when do these renewed do you know the date they will be renewing will it be after we've finalized our budget or is it going to

be before to JJ but I would assume sometime during fiscal year 24 these contracts tracks so that's why we have to extend it we're already in May at this point and so given the procurement process we won't have numbers until we yeah say way more than you need you move it after that I guess but well or or you know we we just when the number is the number we'll we'll we'll budget accordingly right there was no I I did not have a comfort level at this point in time that the numbers that I was receiving were were accurate and So based on that we went ahead and you know looked at looked at a percentage and so we'll conduct more research we'll refine that as as time goes on to make it a more realistic number for for the budget processor yeah I agree with that that sounds sounds like the right thing to do and I understand the law and the ordinances we have that that govern going out to bid so there's nothing wrong with waiting to go out to bid at the right time so okay thank you built into the budget as well we have recurring Capital Investments so this is investments in our facilities as well as our I.T infrastructure our network software that kind of thing are you gonna bring break that down further because that's a big number yes ma'am we have two and a half million dollars is set aside for facilities wait let me ask my question again I'm sorry Mr chairman down a little more because that's a really big one which line are we talking about commissioner recurring Investments yeah we have two and a half million dollars which is for the yes facilities ongoing facilities kinds of non-capital expenditures what does that mean that would be things for HVAC repairs elevator maintenance uh painting of facilities repairing walls all kinds of things reinvesting in our physical infrastructure is that is that um is that a pretty constant number of a year two and a half million yeah it's probably lower than it needs to be okay we should be investing one to two percent of our entire plant value annually and we're at fractions of a fraction of that okay and then the other 4.1 so we have one and a half million dollars which we invest in our I.T infrastructure for our network software that kind of thing okay we have three hundred thousand dollars which we set aside for parks and rec to renovate up to seven athletic fields each year we have a million dollars well doesn't that come does that not coming from the go Bond no ma'am no we can't use that go bond for non-capital is this where our 3.7 percent of our Tiff went no this is coming from the general fund well didn't that no did not Delta go into the general fund to for Capital yes it's in that big bag of money so I mean you can certainly take that argument

okay okay for Parks okay then we have a million dollars for uh Parks and Rec non-capital kinds of improvements uh if they need to repair restrooms or a fence replace a fence replace some fields or playgrounds things like that so they have a million dollars set aside for that and then the remaining 1.3 million would be set aside for Pine Ridge Park Renovations so we started that renovation this year in 23 and then we'd like to set aside the money required to finish that renovation in 24. so then uh everything else the miscellaneous at the end increases the fuel General Contracting increases mowing increases all those kinds of things make up the remainder of that increase so additional priorities which are not baked into the base budget we have uh the state has changed the Employee Retirement System those changes will come out to be about 2.9 Million Dollars in the general fund a wage increase of 5 is 7.7 million dollars the additional funding it's also the iaff yes thank you that includes the expected increases to the iaff contract firefighter contract the monies needed to finish the jail expansion eight million dollars to finally complete the comprehensive plan we would need a hundred and ten thousand dollars to do that opening fire stations two and four for just the last quarter of the fiscal year and then finally we've kind of made an agreement with the sheriff to potentially add 10 additional deputies at 1.9 million dollars so additional fire rescue priorities that we're considering of course the the first is the wage increase which we've discussed adopting uh three-week Kelly day so going from a six week to a three-week Kelly day looking at refurbishing a Rescue Unit it's very difficult now to buy ambulances or vehicles and so we take one of our older ambulances out and renovate that adding Rescue 213 and then adopting some sort of mental health program for First Responders so this would be what you see here on the screen is mental health for the firefighters we're also looking at in a similar program for our Corrections Officers so changes in major funds as you see we talked about the general fund already so we talk about the municipal Services fund Municipal Services fund supports the 9-1-1 Center which is a separate fund and because of the reduction in revenues to that fund we need to transfer additional monies from the municipal Services fund to the 9-1-1 fund Building Inspections we see that decreasing in 23 we had some one-time building renovation costs which would not be in the budget for 24. and the County transportation trust fund we're expecting increases in fuel costs as well as increases in the cost of concrete

on the um building um but I'm guessing a lot of that was to move into the new building Citizens Center so right now we're calling that building yes ma'am so that is the the renovations that are occurring in that building so are are we going to knock down that old nasty jail good question and are there any funds in here to do that are we waiting answer question one is yes and it not not at this budget's not finalized but yeah so it's one of my priorities is to put money in there so we can knock that out okay so we have the tourism development tax fund so as you remember the board increased the tourism development tax the hotel tax from four percent to five percent the tourism or DMO plans on using that additional money to bring in additional for marketing and branding yes Mr Wayne thank you chair so the hotel what's what's the breaking point on the on that tax that if a hotel were to decide to come here what what's the what's the rate that the hotel you're saying that's not worth doing business in Pasco do we have any idea what that yeah less than the other counties right but yeah we are less but I don't think that that tax is paid by the folks who stay in the hotels not by the hotel you're passed on directly yeah so it's passed on to their consumer so there's probably other macro factors that would affect that decision yeah the increase when we put in place just got us up to what some of the other counties are Pinellas is probably higher Tampa's higher anyone with a Convention Center or a sports team or something is a bit higher uh you can travel elsewhere around the country and you can sometimes they put a extra seven percent on it or something so you know my concern with it to not you know price ourselves out of the market if not have a hotelier want to come in yeah I haven't seen that just you as a rate we're at we're not pricing ourselves out because we have counties near us that actually have a higher tax and they're getting and they're getting plenty they're getting uh subsidies which you know I tried to okay it underscores the importance of your tourism program that will generate heads and beds yeah thank you so we look at the fire fund the increase of about almost 10 percent there that's due to increases in the cost of equipment cost of fuel other Fleet related costs as well as the the wage rate wage increase built into their storm water fund you see that decreased by five percent we had some one-time expenditures and 23 including the storm water master plan those things are no longer in 24 budgets so we see the decline the Wastewater fund the water Wastewater fund increased by two percent simply because we're drawing more water and so the bill for Tampa Bay Water increases and finally solid waste fund

the four percent increase and that's primarily due to the managed contracts with covanta back to the stormwater funnel for a minute yes sir you know we put that in place years ago with a smaller number just to kind of like study what we had to go do I think in the past several years we have tremendous improvements great Partnerships with Swift Mud with my now shifting gears about putting money into water sources I think maybe the following year seeing what they actually end up doing maybe time to take a look at that again to get these projects done we've still got a few few more projects to do and there's going to be a decrease in the taxes for Swift Mud tax but if we don't have the matching funds to get these projects done it's going to put us in bad spot and we've had several projects we've been funded already had an agreement but the cost that came in were higher and now we've got to take more money from that so I think you can be proud of your storm water fund that that assessment was originally meant to be raised but the team has done a phenomenal job of working within those boundaries and getting those projects done and of course the CFI process was was important know that with the stormwater master plan and all the maintenance that we're doing we'll we'll be able to come back to the board with a comprehensive plan and perhaps even my my objective would be to look at that plan and perhaps if we did seek an increase in it or to bond a portion of those revenues to really make a lot of Headway in progress but that'll probably be in about a year and a half or two years before we do that no and I'll say I think you've done a great job Branford and now his team come behind him done a good job doing a lot of internal things yes developing the team that can actually do the work which saves a whole bunch of money yeah Mr Stark you know when I was on the PA Basin Board of Swift Mud um and we didn't have a storm water fund we could not participate in the um in the Cooperative funding programs that our citizens were paying into and we had a 25 million dollar budget at the PA Basin board and maybe 250 000 was coming to back to Pasco County it was so frustrating to watch but we did not have any means to pay our 50 share so um uh so does this have cushion in there to I mean this is this this is the pot that we use still with with mud for Cooperative funding so for for the storm water portion I mean utilities does do do some projects as well I mean our reclaim system is is pretty robust because of our partnership with Swift Mud but the storm water fund there that funds both storm water operations so a lot of the maintenance items that the chairman was referring to as well as capital and it's it's been kind of working as a pay as you go type fund at this point okay I just don't ever want to be in that position again [Applause]

all right so we do fund a number of outside programs some of these are required by the state others have been set aside by the board so of course Medicaid we already found an increase of about 880 000 the others you can see there are no increases to those as we see now we see the museum we're supporting two museums the Pioneer Museum as well as the West Pasco Historical Society we're a part of the human trafficking Coalition and so that's the money we put into that and we donate 250 000 per year to United Way and that 250 000 has been the same amount of money since at least I've been here I do feel we need to bump that up a little bit I mean it's never increased but we should it should be a little higher I don't know what the number is but the next page are coming up oh okay you read my mind oh there it is so you see the Pasco kids they're asking for an additional almost twenty thousand dollars Pasco kids uh conducts assessments and health screenings for children who are suspected of being victims of child abuse not a way of emergency Sheltering so if we have some cold weather snaps or something we can get folks off the streets and get them someplace warm the United Way Outside Agency funding and so this is their request of increasing that 250 000 to buy sixty five thousand they've also requested 25 000 for the 211 Center which is a call center where they would give resources to those who call in and then this uh emergency assistance funding of uh 25 000 in which they would help low-income folks pay their heating bills and things like that [Applause] you know I'm in support of it but someone told me that that goes to like Orlando someone from Orlando is answering the phone so I do want to dive into that program and just hear if we're going to give them more money who's running it and you know how how successful is it for our citizens we should we should do a secret Shuffle I I do think we should look at that one too but uh let's let's look at the other ones as well Costco kids first I mean you certainly don't want to run out of money for that program no you didn't uh the next one the Sheltering takes a lot of stress off staff a lot of bureaucracy kind of goes away if they need to go put someone up quick they can do it yeah the funding you know way back when we used to have battles as far as who's going to get which money they kind of separate it now and when the economy dropped they were going to look at cutting some of that funding and I was pushing at that time to go forward in the boards since that point in time as well and said no we need to keep that money in there to help and I think they've done a good job with it so I don't think it's unreasonable to go for that ask especially with some of these homeless issues we still have out there and as far as the emergency assistance funding I'm open to that discussion too

okay okay so uh at the beginning of each budget season we ask our departments to ask for those things that they believe would help their customers in the upcoming year and we call those business plan initiatives you have the business plan initiatives in front of you on those giant papers and so as you can see throughout the budget process we received 145 requests for about 36 million dollars of course we won't be able to fund all of those and so at the June meeting we will meet with the county leadership team to prioritize those business plan initiatives to determine which will be funded and of course we would like your input as well as to which one of those business plan initiatives you believe should be funded so for our constitutional officers you can see the clerk sheriff and supervisor of elections their budgets were due May 1st property appraiser will be due June 1st and then the tax collector on August 1st these are those that we have received to this point the clerk and comptroller as requested 16 million the sheriff is 149 million and supervisor elections has requested seven million you'll notice the supervisor elections budget wanes and grows as the election season goes on this next year in 24 there will be two elections there'll be the presidential election in the spring and then in August will be the primary for the local officials so that's the reason for that increase there and with that we'd like to open it up for questions discussion any questions that go through this at all or I think it would well it's pretty detailed and those are like the thing as Bob said there's 145 and I will sit with the various department heads and team members to prioritize those so those are in no particular order but they they represent a lot of the good ideas that our people have to better serve our citizens but those come at a cost both a one-time cost and a recurring cost and so we have to look at them carefully in light of of the numbers that we're looking at this year but there may be things in there that that you like that you want to see and uh I think it would be good if you probably took some time just to go through yes and these are from our departments are these from the constitutionals as well or no ma'am these would be these would be from our from our department heads they've been vetted through their through the assistant County administrators and the budget office in terms of what the costs are uh and what they would mean and they're broken down by fund and so some some are split between funds right so One Fund would might be able to pay for part of it and other funds would be able to pay for another part of it so we we look at all that as as we determine which which ones to ultimately fund and not fund we should wait thank you chair are all is the money that the county has

are they in interest bearing accounts all all every part of money yeah what do we what's our getting on average um I think I don't know it's probably different so the clerk of the court does our investment strategy um I know they do provide a financial presentation to the board a couple of times a year I'm I don't know if we're prepared to answer that or not and in terms of what what they have but we can get back to you on what those numbers are and I think the last report that was shown because you for years we're making like certain percent we had trouble with the SBA et cetera but they're actually making money and they're transferring over some of the funds that we're making what's one percent up to three percent so uh that last report I think would be very helpful to commissioner wave and maybe for the rest of us to see it as well in the penny money or that's generating yes all idle funds are invested in cash yeah so as we go through the budget process there's a speculation of what the percentage increase was going to be from the property appraiser yes sir and you gave a range from 8 to 16 you're thinking it's going to come closer to 12 latest information you've got it's yeah I mean it's you know it's a property the property appraiser speculates and uh you know but he won't know formally until that I can tell you that internally we've we've kind of targeted 12 on on some of our numbers in terms of looking at how to balance things within the general fund that's that's been our Target uh internally as a team here yeah commissioner well basically on on the percentage until you it's all a guess until you get that number but once you get that number that is the number yeah and then that's when you have to tighten down if if the money's shorter than what you're planning you have to tighten down on different funds and some of the money's be taken away but if it's more than you think it is then there's extra money and there's those departments so we need to just make sure we're using that money to the right benefit for the citizens and take care of it so as we know this would especially the supervisor elections he's going to have a bigger job small piece but right correct based on based on elections is changes from year to year is how that works [Applause] all right we should wait a little bit further on the 2-1-1 funding Pig back on commissioner stories is that what what do we what are we getting out of the two one one if they're one that's 65 000 increase from what it sounds like it may not 25 000. you know they're 165 increase [Applause] Kathy can you speak to 2-1-1 please I'm not sure if this is not worth

hold it yeah okay Kathy Pearson assistant County administrative public services so United Way the 2-1-1 they're asking to have a little bit of subsidy on them I think the total cost for 211 is 90 000. they're asking the county I think this year they're put in 25 of it 2-1-1 is a company that is based out of Orlando um so they have been using this company for a few years 2-1-1 is just a resource number you call 2-1-1 if somebody's looking for a diabetic uh Workshop or an Alzheimer's that's the number they call and people get connected to those resources that's what the two one one is all about so it's as always good as the information going in and so um I have tried it a couple of times and it's worked I've tried it a couple of times it hasn't worked so it is based out of Orlando citizens tell them they're using it uh have you studied it real close to see if it's a looks like an effective use or is there a better way to get information on people so I have not gotten any reports except for the one that you forwarded to me the other day those are the first reports that I've seen I would question on what kind of numbers what's the main what's the number one call is it for rental income is it for I don't know the breakdowns of that so I think that's a better question for Chuck Anderson to answer from the United Way so 2-1-1 is used in most counties I know Hillsborough County uses a company in Hillsborough County we just happen to choose to use one in Orlando bid on it or how do we know this was before Chuck's time so I don't know how that company was selected they've been using it for years so but we can find out more details for you from Chuck looking into okay any other questions um how how do you want us to you want us to go through these and tell you what our priorities are I mean because so I think I think right now really big picture so we've we've presented to the board a base a baseline assumption and scenario right the first the first assumption that we have we have given to you here is that the millage rates go back you know we're maintaining level level millage uh at least especially in the operating though let's go back one more thank you you know I because your first act in July will be to set these millages on the trip and so that's the big lever that that you pull and so when you look at the operating millage you look at the fire mstu millage go ahead and go forward to the next slide you can see what those will generate at those levels this is this is the additional Revenue based on the taxable assessed value so we're essentially setting the additional Revenue that will that will be available to the county to the constitutionals to the various funds based on that so I think initially the the first the first lever is is are you

comfortable with the operating millage being where it's at are you comfortable with we probably should talk fire mstu here for just for just a for just a couple minutes because the fire image to you is a little unique in that your fire department is funded roughly 60 percent from the firearm is to you I'm just using round number 60 40. general fund and Via mstu so an increase in the fire department will trigger an increase in the general fund so if you go ahead to the next two slides one more so when you when you look at when you look at some of the priorities for fire rescue you know we are we are losing firefighters to neighboring counties and so what we have what we're negotiating right now is is a wage increase these these numbers here would put us into about 95 percent of Hillsborough County which is which is the target um but it would trigger it would it would in order for us to accomplish that because of the other inflationary pressures that you're seeing go go forward to the next one in the fire fund you can see that the fire mstu fund there's already a seven million dollar increase and that that's already accounting for current increased costs and fuel Personnel expenses etc etc so go back now so it will trigger an increase in the mstu just to accomplish the wage increase of 0.0696 Mills but it also comes at an additional 1.3 million to the general fund which was not baked into the original budget so go back one more slide these are these are the items that aren't baked into our initial stab at the budget these are extra the wage increase of iaff that's the general fund component I thought you had that in the budget it's it's go back one more this slide is what we've already baked into the into the general fund Department budgets so this is baked into the budget that we're that we've already put together and drafted and balanced at 12 and you can see that's 19.2 million you can see that it's it's we're still short so what is this mid-year race uh so the fire Union contract has a uh has a reopener clause in it and so in order to keep Pace with with increases in firefighter wages and to be competitive we we had to enter into we gave them a raise mid-year as part of their contract so I think you see that in in Hillsboro they're higher tax their taxes on homes and all are yes they're higher so they're able to fund more than we are so we have to look at that and our taxes in comparison are lower here so that's hard to come up with that money to to make up that five percent but we need to stay as close as possible or we end up losing our good firefighters that we have here in the county so we want to make sure that no well I think the board can be very proud of the Investments that it's made in

other areas for our firefighters especially uh in in terms of state-of-the-art fire stations our equipment is very very good in fact our our um our gear change out program you've seen it in the fire stations but we've also got decontamination units that are there that you know are proven to help reduce the risk of cancer to our firefighters I don't believe our fire stations are second to none no well and even in all the plus plus that that you can ask for in a fire station yes sir and so I think the board can be proud of those Investments because they are they are I think if you ask some of the old-time fire guys that it's it's pretty solid stuff yeah and there's things based on safety and health of our firefighters so we need to make sure we keep those kind of things coming into the county yeah from years ago when I first started we look at the uh EMS portion is as significant as was and we took a step to go and said they want like a two two and a half percent raise at one point we went up to five and we got now I think probably the best trained uh uh fire protection unit EMS protection unit in the nation and I think we also listened to them when they said they want to be safer as well and I think the provisions we've done every step of the way to make it safer so these guys can go out there know they're going to get treated but even with the working conditions to improve every station we put a lot of money into they give them better conditions and let's face it with the growth of everything that's gone on maybe we could cop behind with cover getting some stuff done but I think with the new stations coming on is we keep on going to ribbon cutting every single time um and now working with emergency services to go I think we've made a lot of good Investments with it so hopefully you'll look at that we keep on improving that they'll look at not just wages but they'll look at the working conditions and in the in the fact that we are committed to helping them serve our people better yeah I agree so we've got those militant the other priorities if we just go to the other the other slide um sorry one more you know these are you know those those top two items I personally believe we need to find a way to get those get those into the budget those are increases in retirement rates again those are mandatory so we'll have to find a way but wage increases for for our current employees in order to remain competitive as well as that general for general fund portion for for the firefighters we have some opportunities with with loans and things that I think we can make the jail expansion construction issues work you know we've got additional deputies for the sheriff so again as as the budget continues to bake these are these are things but I would like a sense of commissioner to answer your question you know do you share in these you know what what are what are you thinking in terms of other

other things and priorities that you would like to see either added or deleted from from this budget well I was on the Detention Center that extra money that's to finish it yes sir we're sure yep right so I definitely think we we all know we need to do that to finish that so that's very important we do that of course wages are always important so for our people to uh I mean it's just too many people need affordable housing we don't even have enough affordable housing for people that probably 40 percent of all of our folks need to pull the housing we don't have that so we need a plan to bring on some more affordable housing for Workforce housing and work for that four percent of our population that that needs act and we have a need a lot of places have that same need the prices of homes out in the just the public I've heard people talk about 300 000 homes as being affordable but there's no way people have to worry about paying just a pvas in some areas can't afford a 300 000 home so yes sir someone needs to really pay attention to and and working in our plans in the future to be helpful to our our citizens here in Pasco in district one I've just heard in the pipeline in the pipeline we have a hundred and one thousand jobs coming to East Pasco County well right now we don't have the kind of housing that they're going to need to live in so we've got to pay attention or get ahead of it or you'll be we're probably already behind but we don't want to get further behind so let's say with so many people coming to Florida with Pasco growing creating jobs I mean there's going to be a struggle for a while on a photo house yeah right so just picking the right ones and and going with it we still want to get good quality stuff here too so it's tough to go commissioner waiting you to end up thank you yeah in terms of affordability in housing and properties no I'm probably in the minority here but I'm I'm more apt to support an MS to you than an increase generally [Applause] just based on the Cure and I know everybody's impacted by inflation but just based on everything that everybody's hurt um going going through I I really hope you guys are very conservative in your your increases in looking we can save a penny somewhere I'd like to at least see the effort being done as folks are going to be choosing now the increases in the grocery stores and everything a family has to go through to survive every week and you know you're asking us to add increases to folks [Applause]

very sensitive to that Mr Starkey did you have your hand up too a couple of things um well I think that's well done those priorities there um and uh I don't I'm not sure we can really go into the sheriff's budget yet yeah I think I think it would be best if we we see where the numbers land um ultimately and then you know we can kind of take things from there so last year we gave them a bump of money to support 40. deputies and I don't recall and I think I asked you to break that out and I'm not sure I got it if that was in addition to regular or it's a week because we kind of said we promised those 10 additional for a while right yes man that's what we did last year as well we provided them money to hire 10 additional officers and then the sheriff was going to hire additional officers within his regular budget okay because in going through the budget it doesn't say what what their ask covers so I don't know what part of that I have some increases maybe in deputies in there but those those did not include the the additional 10 that the board has generally generally funded you know because typically we've split the it became different right when the correction center became the counties then there was generally a a reduction I guess in the percentage of the increase in taxable value that was given to the given to the sheriff to support his budget but then previous administrator and board agreed to give him 10 additional deputies on top of that to to ensure growth and yeah you know security of of law enforcement Personnel out there which I think is a good thing so I'll I'll dive into that with him and with you guys more um uh something that I think is really really important is code enforcement and um we've just got to have that commercial team and um we have to I don't know if you guys about with the code enforcement guys going around but um we also need to rethink our homeless camps and our code enforcement and Sheriff team whether that's a law enforcement officer is working with us uh specifically on homeless camps but I think we're going to have to really have a special team that takes care of that I agree uh Mr Oakley yeah uh going on a little further with that um I think we need those extra code enforcement officers and I think we need to uh use them in a proper way for homelessness and in other areas Mr steinsteiner with code enforcement and with certain code instance I I guess if our ordinances hands are kind of tied sometimes about whether you know they may be under

certain conditions to check on a property or whatever but yet they're limited to not be able to go in that property I guess because an ordinance or a law we have so they can't verify resources or how many people they have on a place I believe what you're referring to is they can't enter a property right based on the U.S Constitution that's that's where it derives from basically they have to be invited on or they have to have a warrant an administrative warrant to enter the property and if it's a residence it's much more difficult to get an administrative form we can get an administrative warrants for commercial property fairly easily as long as we can get time for the judge but it's a higher burden if it's a residential property and it's a public residence so basically they have to be invited on where they have to be able to observe it from the cartilage of the home right that that's the part that bothers me that it kind of hinders him to be able to carry out the job because they came rarely check say they had conditional use of 20 people and they're inside a building then they can't check to to verify if they're living by their conditional use or not strange to me with a conditional use you wouldn't have the ability to get the same use to go in to check those numbers so yeah that might that may be a little different I mean when you're talking about age special permit use [Applause] for side by side right okay yeah all right generally I gave you them that's what the norm is for you know that they can't they can't go in to do minimum housing inspections without a warrant without being invited with it but that's kind of an issue that I mean with me with code enforcement I wanted to do their job but then they're kept from actually fulfilling their job because of some of these orders like that where they can't enter a property so that that concerns me that's not I know we need you tying their hands and then the other thing about the sheriff has his budget there and it's a he's he's figured a certain rate in there until we we shouldn't go forward or even really dive into his budget very much until we know the real number and when we know that real number then yes we should uh ask probably for some more information he hopefully he would give that to us so that we need yeah thank you yeah yeah we're going to increase I think it's worth the conversation happening if we're going to increase

10 deputies there's an additional deputies on top of what the sheriff has baked in his budget I think we ought to have at least one or two designated each partnership right there I think if you go forward and give and takes on the budget that we ought to have a dedicated person partner at the Sheriff's Office to support our code folks somehow I don't seemingly that we don't have that now do we we call for helping they may or may not send somebody oh if you're oh so you're referring we're going back to the discussion of code officer safety and yeah right head count in here we're going to find on top of 10 additional on top of what the sheriff's budget is requesting on our portion I think the county should be able we need one or two designated sheriff's deputies to be ready to work hand in hand when our code folks need it that way we can react timely right we're not the expectation is there is not a maybe we'll have somebody I think I think it's feasible to how to fix one and then Switching gears back to the United Way funding the typical asset is what 250 000 annually and they're asking for another 65 so really the request this year is 315 000 right correct I'm not comfortable with the additional 65 and I'm I'd be more willing to have that conversation if we can determine what we're getting out of that 25k for the 2-1-1 so I think we need to better understand what what that money is is that 25 000 isn't going as far as it could maybe we reallocate that within the within the United way budget but the 65 000 I'm not good I don't think I'm not really seeing what yeah I hear what you're saying there commissioner we're not currently funding 2-1-1 is that correct so they're currently funding they're asking they're asking for us to pitch in so that would be an additional 25 000 almost yes that is correct yeah that's a 90 000 ask yes on top of the 250. correct that's what they're asking for ah I'm a no I mean we can we will I think Kathy is is committed to talking with you Kathy go ahead so commissioner just to clarify so the 60 000 would be a subsidy I mean the 20 000 would be a subsidy for the 25 000 for the subsidy for the United Way 2-1-1 call center the 65 is an additional to the 250 that we give every year they do spend 250 and it goes directly to the agencies they don't take a penny of that that goes directly to they put out a proposal they ask for proposals and and they have a committee and they review them it goes strictly back to any not-for-profits their needs are outweighing I mean they get more ass

than they do money so that's why they were requesting the extra 65 000. broke down it's a 90 000 ask I think it's a bit I mean I've had the piecemeal the total increase which I don't like I'm sorry well you're right it's 154.5 down there but we've got Pasco kids first built into that so that's on top yeah so it's additional 90 000. what they're asking for for this year can you take the 25 000 plus the 65. it's it's actually 100 it's actually 154 000 yeah the total Pasco kids first contract increase is about 20 grand so about 134 000. for United Way yeah we should have subtotal um Seth um when I first got here the county I think maybe we only did it one year this way maybe two and Jack you'll remember the county was the one uh given the money to the Charities and it was everyone was coming in asking us for money and we decided it was better to give the money to United Way and they would vet all the non-profits and hand out the charitable hand out money to non-profits in the county um and and so that's what that 250 is it just took the pressure off of us you know and I I think it was better because and we oversee we we can see how they give out the money and he definitely should see that list of where they spent the money and that number 250 um which goes straight to nonprofits in the county has not been raised since I've been here so I think it I definitely think that number needs to bump up with what they're asking for they're asking for roughly the United outside well I'm talking about this one United Way Outside Agency funding we've kind of put it out for you as a menu yeah yeah of sorts let us know yeah which way thank you huh you know I understand I appreciate that but when you you go to once and needs the the county Doling out money to not-for-profits Phil softly I just you know I'm looking at sidewalks park slides storm water issues raises for employees that sort of thing so I'm I'd like to have some more in-depth understanding of this discretionary allocation some of the services others may have around the country probably more intensive we have here and this was kind of like done just to help some of the agencies that really needed the help and support and actually took a burden away from us instead of having government employees to take care of it yeah it's and again commissioner Starkey you're riding the money when we took away the pressure for us to go do it for them to set it up when you break it all down going from 250 to and adding 154 it's a huge jump that's why I agree we should really look closely at that 211 211 funding the last one on there was for people as you mentioned you're going

to get some people now with just increases that have just come up with inflation they just can't make bills and you're going to get some people that can't make the bills do they look at it yes will they make a decision if they allocate it you could help some people instead of where they get kicked to the street whatever they stay in their house yeah it's not it's not a it's not a it's not a bad thing what they're doing um so I I think with all these items once we have the appraisers numbers and we have the presentations we can look at every single one of these and look down everyone every which way through I recommend United Way meets with all of us to go specifically a little bit more especially uh to the details we're asking I think with staff we got we got to look at this there's even one item on here with this thing I'm seeing for the first time I'm looking for Deputy assistant at Sunwest Park and parks and trails yeah is that something new we're doing now division is going to get a special event there that event's paying for any extra assistance I don't understand why it is well let's we're pretty good we're gonna look at everything yeah so in a more General sense are are any of these numbers in our budget already or I'm going to tell you this is confusing yeah so let me let me just really lay it on the line here based on the numbers that I'm seeing very few of these at least on the general fund cycle get funded none of these are in the budget none of these none of these things are in the budget correct well they all seem important thing yeah um so I have a question on the tourist development tax fund why are we paying for naming rights it seems like someone that should be money coming in not money going out on 2113 same with naming rights Sarah Vandenberg Tennis complex 120 000 in the budget isn't isn't that supposed to be a deposit not a what would be to put the name of Pasco County or Florida sports coach on the tennis center and the belief is that this would raise the profile of Pasco County oh we have to pay for it correct for our name be producer but there's already a name on The Sarah Vandenberg Tennis complex we put Pasco County Florida reports on there it's a it's an advertising and marketing 120 come about those are that's probably what the cost of the naming rights are for the facility those are generally set by the venues yes tourist Development Council looks at it votes trying to decides whether they think it's worth the marketing effort Adam Thomas can do a presentation as part of what he does bpis like that on funds that actually you know aren't as constrained so like the tourism fund there there is some flexibility in there those are bpis that you know we'll we'll look at and can probably fund several of those and make those recommendations to

you uh the focus of today's presentation is typically on the most constrained fund and that is your General Revenue fund yeah that can which oh actually this one says other funds yes yes so the problem is is until we get our number we probably can't look at extra things but you can certainly look at it and and see what's what's important to you and if you you know and and we can take that feedback as we as we structure uh continue to bake the budget if you will right correct okay you know I mean there's just not enough I mean Capital maintenance for parks uh five million dollars but and you know I support the parks very much but I thought we funded that in the um with the go Bond so Capital maintenance we did some of that I think yes I think the go Bond handled a lot of it was deferred makers yes it's deferred maintenance deferred maintenance is just maintenance that we hadn't done that we needed to do and so there's an ongoing and a continual maintenance anytime we we add Parks we even you know it's just right back mentioned you know facilities uh making those Investments I call it renewal and replacement operations and maintenance costs they're there they're real um but um looking at this list of what the park needs it just shows you how underfunded our Park department has been and I mean these are a ranger for Starkey Wilderness Park um I mean beach sand uh Grant Specialists I agree with that 100 I mean that's why I want to I want to talk about a Parks mstu when when when when he comes up to us we got to talk about very small parks and missed you because if we're bringing in a hundred thousand jobs and a hundred thousand more people or whatever we already have a massive shortage of fields and I just got a very interesting text today about something that could come to Pasco County and I don't know where they can come to you're right thank you Mr Oakland uh talking about Parks number one it's very expensive and and the bond was for taking care of the uh deferred deferred maintenance on those parts for many years before I got here and that was a blessing that we had that Bond and citizens voted that by Ned to take care of one it would have like 80 or something oh yeah it it did real well for the citizens that supported um and to keep up with all the major parks that we got coming online we're gonna have to have more money to take care of parks and have the fields we need because their our fields are being used up and and part of part of this item that which really bothers me is our citizens and all pay in to the parks and citizens

moving in pay their impact fees and all they pay all this to make these feel feels eligible to be played on by our our residents and then you have legs of different kinds on different fields and I've heard of one lately that their leg is so big they take up all these fills to play on and this one particular League makes something like 2.2 million dollars the league to allow their teams to play on our parts that the citizens pay for something's wrong with the system when they get through all this pain we have to keep asking citizens for more and more money to pay for these parks that the fields had to be yeah maintained and redone but somehow we've got to change that formula or change something and chief did tell me you had a plan but yeah I'm looking forward to seeing that plan because uh it's just strange that somebody could make 2.2 million dollars in there all they do is have kids playing in the and they're very competitive don't get me wrong and then The Love play that they get is phenomenal phenomenon so if the training's there and it's good for our kids and our parents want to spend their money privately to go do that to support that going through it but I think we've got a couple of opportunities coming up for a long time but what I'm getting is they don't pay for the maintain maintenance on those bills that they make all this money on that the citizens are having to continuously pay to have them maintained but still our kids playing there too um I understand but I think but I think we have some opportunities coming up and I've talked to Keith Wiley for years about getting in uh the impact future a month so the new growth comes in helps pay for the field 10 years late on that so yeah but at least it's coming now and I want to say shut up for the Builders Association from what I hear they may be supporting it coming up now one of the things that's in this budget that doesn't affect General Revenue it's all Builder money is right now we're over collecting in our permit fees Hillsborough County years ago dropped this down like 40 percent I think in our conversations coming up as we start taking a look at that do we bring those fees down to make it for our business that are coming in or investing that they don't have to pay as much for these fees to go through to the uh all the inspections so there's an opportunity for a little trade-off there that can help us I think go the right way and if you take that money away from those fees and those areas that they're coming into then you have to replace that money was I guess general fund money well I think it's a couple different things let me clarify what I'm saying yeah so there's right now park impact fees is going to be coming before us yes right now the builders associate from what I'm hearing

Kevin's confirmed I've heard the same thing okay so they're going to be supporting of it but our permit fees that we charge this goes a separate funds it has to be only for Building Services Etc are 104 104. well the 104 fund can only be spent on the building department right yes they take in and what they use for operation that's what that that money is and it should be relatively new equal right exactly is it not equal right now we've been saving money to go build the building renovate the building so a lot of the money went so that for the past let's say two years now so with all that said we're coming to the end of that now we know we're at so now we can actually definitely say okay we're actually in position we actually bring these fees down right and then I don't have a problem with that balance or not exactly yeah we got to keep it balanced so we have an opportunity there actually help them as well and I think it's coming up yeah interest rack and then commission um great point on that and I see in here that I mean can Code Compliance be covered by that because we have to go out and see if the businesses have kept their Landscaping in that they were supposed to huh that's not building well we got to move that over [Laughter] I'm sure we can find a way I think I would listen to the county attorney code inspectors some housing that do building code yes okay well Landscaping is part of the building you're not working with me here no no I'm not done um so so then so none of these in here in the planning can be under that as well so wait if we're looking at changing going to a form-based code say which is easier for the building community in some cases maybe that can't be under unless it's part of the state adopted bill you you can't say it's building now we we have we have done this negotiation you have you have several years now you have fees that you charge as well for for planning services and things like that those those fees don't necessarily cover all all costs so I mean those are things that we can look at I think in the broader context here I understand what we're talking about and we are looking at the building at the building fees so reductions and increases balancing out costs I think we can do that um as we as we make changes to to planning yeah those are municipal services that are funded out of the 102 fund so they're partly funded through through user fees but there is there is a gap and that Gap is made up by the general fund all right and I forgot the other thing I was going to say but that didn't work out very well [Laughter] I'm going to try and remember the other thing I wanted so we were talking about

Visa I would like to take a look and understand better to be in sin explains that we give to business I first came on and commissioner Bradford came on we signed up Gary Plastics your company come in creates jobs but I thought to myself this isn't a hit towards them if we hadn't have incentivized them to come here How likely would it be that they would still come to Pasco because we have real value now and I I of the age of stop giving away the farm I mean this I this data when these folks come in and meet with us from all over the country didn't want to come to Pasco was pinpointing our County so I I really like to just our understanding these incentive packages and maybe start reeling those back a bit that way we're not giving away so much yeah we're very we're judicious in in the approach and we've worked closely with economic growth the DC on on what it is believe me the the number of requests are long but the number they're actually granted we are thinking strategically about that thank you commissioner I know for a fact under um your office Mike with the economic development of different projects and things coming in we do not have to and haven't incentivized some businesses but they want to be here now so it's a total different ball game now than we used to have we used to have to do more of that we're having to do less now to the fact of even doing that and they're still want to come so it's been worked out under Mike's office and done very well it's distracting okay I remember what I was gonna I was going to say um do you mind if I just I don't is different okay so you know with Economic Development Council when I started long ago we were a bedroom community no jobs coming in right and it was one of the things a lot of people wanted to focused on that was my my biggest thing constituent service storm what happened as the hurricanes come in 2004 as a bonus but uh after oh I'm sure lived it well so um looking at Target industries that were coming in and this is important even to EDC today what they look at is they don't just look at a company coming in that's going to be retail for just bringing jobs in or even low paying jobs coming in and the formulas they put in place they look at the total number of jobs they look at the money coming in and where they want to go now I'll say when we were looking at doing our impact fees Mobility fees way back when I think you'll remember by saying this we had John Hagan in place and John Hagan we're talking about how much do we cut down these fees for these job creators coming in that are going to create a foundation so do we cut them down 50 25 do we get it down to zero and uh John and I when we were going back and forth about it and I said John how much better would it sound if we said there was Zero transportation fees for anybody coming to create jobs and that resonated and not that the 25

mattered to the zero but it was a lot easier to sell zero to coming in for transportation fees and I think you know the money we put out our state state legislators looked at it and they kind of think well would they probably come to Florida anyway yeah I probably would would they come to Pasco maybe they would if all all things work but does it send a great message that we want your business here and I think that's been resonating over and over again you know Bill Cronin coming in and now I think even with EDC uh working with TDC so closely together we've got an image out there that we've created and I hate to see us step away from that because if that turns us back to say we don't want you anymore it could be a more detriment will it be a final decision maker some say no but I think the image it gives us is a really good one Mr Robin well just to tag on to what you're saying is uh I was not talking about pedc uh I see a lot of numbers where they have a lot of contacts and all but I don't see many results I think it was only one on that form we saw not too long ago but we're getting more in just coming coming in Pasco and you're not having to give those incentives and in some areas we can't give those and it just because they don't meet the threshold as far as wages and things of that of their employees they might be real low paying jobs so we don't incentivize for low paying jobs ads or meet a certain criteria to get incentivized for some of that right to carry on it's a lot of stuff going on and when you talk about a pipeline now and they're not here yet of 101 000 employees coming to East Pasco County it is a big deal and they're coming without being incentivized so um well and then location land I mean I don't want to stay on the subject it's become a strike we'll get right to you um but I think it's still important that we we go take a look we had a recent manufacturer that left us and went to Plant City and they weren't high-paying jobs yeah let them go we let a bigger one come in and you know that's the focus the target Industries like The Moffat situation coming in I mean all those things are big so one of the things that we did with a long time ago was when opinicus came in down by the Suncoast Parkway in 54 when they come in the one thing they needed was a transportation access to get in it was like six hundred thousand dollars we went to the state we got it that's true that was the incentive we came in so when we passed the penny for Pasco this year one of the things I asked for and you guys all heard me is if we need to use it for transportation dollars for that let's go do that so when I get people into edge up at Shady Hills saying look we got all this commercial coming in we got schools where they're driving out in the street and we have our kids they can't get back and forth to safety that's why I presented let's go look at the trail let's see look at use an economical

money for the trail because we know they're coming you know we just want to add one company for a hundred thousand uh square or 100 acres of uh industrial land now they want three and they'll people complain about what about the kids they're going to be driving by these big trucks where they're going to walk in the street or on the dirt so I just want to add to what you're saying but moffat's a big deal right 16 million square foot of warehousing buildings in the Moffett cure for cancer center over there right big deal at 52 and 75 we're going to have 21 million square feet of office and all by a lot of different businesses one of them is Target distribution right now and other businesses coming in that road transition right there is 21 million square feet bigger than Moffett and moffett's a big deal and a great deal for Pasco County but we've got all these other businesses coming just in that area 21 million square feet of buildings and all by different individual businesses from across the country coming near Pasco County and and you know that business had probably looked at the location it was all driven by location with Moffett as a Target industry when they come in all of a sudden all the people all the businesses will support them are going to come in for that they're coming around distribution's distribution yeah they're just looking at location but this year is like when you start a Core Business Like a Target industry you're going to then get all the other business around it and all the other good system that comes with it so I think they're a little bit to ugly yeah I think all this under under I'm just going to add just a finalizer that's a necessary you know it underscores that we are I think as I said you know we look at these deals strategically they're all custom deals every deal is is different and not every deal makes it makes it to the board for approval so I think you can be rest assured that we're thinking about these things that we are looking at Target Industries and that we know that you know we're looking for the Sparks they're going to do exactly as you suggested that are going to create more and bring that in and that comes back to your earlier discussion of wanting to see how the commercial industrial and residential who's really paying the bills that's where all this comes together to where you can see those results I'll be happy to kind of pull that together to show you but oh we're just leaving me right into what I want to talk to you I'm just going to touch one final one I'm gonna Revolt here in a second with that said like we just had Santander that left now we had an economic development council meeting we're in that same building and we get a tour we toured this whole building while they're still there haven't made the announcement that they're leaving well you just did because nobody well there's no one there I mean the building's like there's no

beginning yeah so it's like that's what we don't want we want people to be working here making money and going forward commissioner Starkey um so kind of touching on Mike what Mike just said about seeing what different who brings what money into the coffers I really do want to know what that value is for a home a house because I remember when it was three hundred thousand that was 350 000 and especially for commissioner Whiteman being new on the board there is a certain threshold of a value of a home where it it takes from the general fund rather than puts money in through its property values and we and and I believe we have to be very careful um not tipping over too greatly on the number of homes we build in the county that are under that threshold because that will cost us a lot of money if we are only 40 foot wide homes with single car garage and a door which is what you know holiday was built on single car garage and a door two bedrooms and one bath and um and it takes a lot of resources to work on in that neighborhood and so if we don't if we're not balancing that with higher commercial commercial and higher value residential we're going to think ourselves so somewhere there's a responsibility that we make sure we're not throwing the baby out with the bathwater and you're right on one of the old things we talked about years ago was executive was one good place to live they want quality places to live so much as you're building those high-end homes which I think at a certain point and that point may be 400 Grand right now maybe 300 Grand I don't know but I'd like them I'm just saying that's what the number used to be so we're around a million bucks now so no well I don't know well we just we just want to make sure so the higher the quality development we put in is going to be better for our Economic Development people as well as well and I'm really looking forward to working on our new comp plan because I I believe we're making mistakes and I'm not sure how much we can control but you know I was thinking the other day here we have all those jobs with Moffett with what is it called Cirrus uh sparrows sparrows we really should call it that because it's much more than Moffett but we've built a retirement community now next door to it I mean that's the first development that went in as a retirement community do you realize that the people that live there don't realize that moffett's there so I mean when you think about what we could have if our Land Development code was right and our zoning was right we could have had a downtown right there when you consider all the all the jobs the high-end jobs and everything that that could spark with restaurants and hotels but we didn't we didn't do that we didn't allow for that

and I think that was a mistake and so um so therefore our comp plan amendment is very important for us to make sure we're ensuring a good future for this County it's a glad it's a budgetary that's been a long time coming as well yeah any other thoughts like you want to wrap it up are you going to prioritize these or are we supposed to nope in the past they were prioritized for us so correct and we do that exercise in June typically we're starting a little earlier this year to try to get some initials put into the process so you'll you'll see what those final recommendations are uh in in the budget so what I'm what I'm generally Hearing in terms of the operating millage you know we're going to continue with with that Baseline assumption we may look at a potential increase in the fire mstu to perhaps look at look at some raises um you know the general landscape of the budget United Way I think we've gotten some input from you on that and we'll we'll continue to Monitor and look at that again we'll we'll have conversations and dialogues with our constitutionals on on that we keep them their Partners we'll stay we'll stay engaged with that as well and yes short answer is is I'll prioritize these the more the more Salient ones of course are the are the general fund ones because those would probably won't be a lot of money to fund a lot of those but if there's anything that you would like more information on on those that's just a summary spreadsheet we have complete detailed business analyzes on on all of them that show what what each of those are about what how many personnel they come with what they actually do what the ROI is that's that's part of the process and that'll be part of the process as we go through to make the difficult decisions of which ones to prioritize over others it's a very it's a very hard and unfun thing to do so um yeah with that I have I really have nothing else Bob unless you you feel that there's something else that we need to add so from our perspective we're good well I think if you would have your staff with their projects maybe kind of briefing each one of us up at some point yeah as we go forward like that with Pat o'rourton today had a great conversation about it that type of thing the you know one of the things you got on that seagrass agent making sure the ROI to say this is how much money is out there fed bully and state we're not getting we're not going to get into we put the resiliency plan together right so all those things coupled are going to be important for us I think this is going to be a part of the year it's probably going to go 708 in the sense of with expenses going up so high with inflation and we're only going to three percent ROI plus the plus the growth this is going to be a tough year this is it's gonna be a very very tough year because you want to make sure you you can pay your people but not what else

can you get done correct so so let's still get a lot of work to do yep team's up to the challenge so thank you all right all right thank you okay thank you Kathy what is mass speed mean [Music]