05.23.2023 Pasco Board of County Commissioners Meeting (Afternoon Session)

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thank you buddakanika is going to reconvene for a public hearings they're going to wait though we're going to finish item c18 which was in discussion before we left for break after that we'll do the resolutions and then we'll get to the public hearing process so County Administrator so in in discussions with um with vertex there there is an indication that they are willing to wait 90 days so prior to me having staff bring up anything I would just like to give that out to the board for consideration sounds like they're willing to do some activities to talk um and bring it back in 90 days but that's that's what I've information that I've been given by vertex commissioner may I speak uh commissioner Starkey so um during lunch I made a quite a few phone calls during my um meeting with vertex before this meeting I learned of the size of the footprint they needed for cell tower and when this um when this controversy started I had reached out to Keith Wiley the head of our parks and environmental lands to see if there was room in the park for the tower to move it away from the school and it was his impression that they needed one to three and there he is right there I'm putting words in your mouth one to three acres and that there wasn't room but at the size that um this the cell tower company mentioned to me this morning he does feel that there's room to accommodate it in the park that does bring up the challenge that the park is not part of the poor fee agree P4 agreement that we have with the school district and they're very interested in the revenue that comes from the tower so in talking with Mr Goldstein he said we could amend our P4 agreement and agree to share the revenue of the tower that would be located only on our property and I called Mr Gad and he said that was fine with the school district and um and then talking to Mr Stein Snyder and Mr carbala um the other caveat too is that because it is not on land that is part of the P4 it would have to be rebid now vertex was the only bidder um on that tower on the School site so it's the it's I think I'll let the County Attorney State the recommendations that they're giving to us on how to move forward so but that's going to be my motion that we move forward with that one and then we we have this delay that we should also move forward with Mr chairman members of the board based on based on what commissioner Starkey has said if you wish to entertain the pro moving this the tower away from the school on your property on the park property what I would recommend would be that that go out for bid that the current action which is before

you would be continued for so many days so that you get through the procurement process on the other site before you reject they don't need both leases so if a lease comes out of the park site and that's the one the board wishes to go forward with in your proprietary capacity then that would be the least that would be offered to to vertex assuming it meets all their criteria and that's where and they're willing to locate there and then you would terminate the invitation for bid or invitation to negotiate for the shared use site um that that would get the tower away from the school by so many feet I don't know those numbers off the top of my head but um that seems to be the compromise that was was envisioned one thing I think we'd probably score 120 days instead of 90 days to get through the procurement process so if you're gonna go with what Mr steinsteiner proposed my recommendation would be that you continue this item 120 days okay so let me just ask a couple questions and I want to clarify something that I asked a question I I misunderstood the answer or I didn't get enough information back from it but when I read uh this company called it's above ground level and when I read this statement and I'll read it again although the Telecommunications Act of 1996 does not allow the government agencies to take account into the health effects of RF radio frequency emitted from cell towers and other radio transmitters when making decisions about site approval landlords may consider health effects when deciding whether to lease so for the board's Clarity because I again I thought I said this pretty clear but and I thought my just my answer back was different but that statement Rings true okay okay so having said that we could just reject and be done now I am delighted commissioner Starkey that you you dug in a little bit more and did a little more research to find out that we could move the site and to go look at that is fine but I will say that from everything I've seen and I'm happy to work with vertex I'm glad they're willing to go work to change the site as well do we really need to even continue the item is there any benefit to vertek or else we can keep them in the game is that is that the objective I'm not sure Mr chairman as I said I I agree with the statement that when acting in your proprietary capacity you can you don't have to lease your property and you can leave you can reject leases for all sorts of reasons when acting in your regulatory combat what I was saying was when acting in your rate since you both have a regulatory capacity and a proprietary capacity on this case which was not the case in in the article that you showed me

representing for this resolution if so please come to the podium all right so this is resolution number 23-119 a resolution by the board of County commissioners of Pasco County Florida declaring the month of May 2023 as older Americans month in Pasco County whereas there are more adults reaching retirement age remaining strong and being active than ever before and whereas older Americans are a vital part of Pasco County's demographic makeup contributing their time wisdom and experience to the community and whereas every citizen in Pasco County should strive to recognize understand and address the evolving needs of older adults and whereas our society is dependent upon intergenerational cooperation and benefits from Collective efforts to serve older adults and the people who love and care for them and whereas Pasco County and the area aging Agency on Aging of Pasco Pinellas recognize the need to create a community that offers services and supports older adults who may need to make choices about how they age and promotes flexible thinking about aging and whereas the 2023 theme of older Americans month is aging Unbound which offers an opportunity to explore diverse aging experiences and discuss how communities can combat stereotypes and whereas everyone can participate in aging Unbound by finding new passions and pushing boundaries by not letting age Define our limits growing our knowledge by taking classes and participating in creativity creative activities staying engaged in our community by volunteering and forming relationships that can introduce us to new ideas and unique perspectives now therefore be it resolved by the board of County commissioners of Pasco County Florida that said board hereby declares may as older Americans month and on this 60th anniversary of older Americans month urges every resident to honor their lifetimes of hard work Devotion to family and commitment to community which have been laid the foundation for the community we are today done and resolved in regular session with a quorum present in voting this 23rd day of May 2023. move approval second all in favor say aye aye aye well commissioner Oakley I'm glad you made the motion first because you are the Elder American here yeah I'm here for this but uh commissioner Bradford it was his resolution but we all fully support it what are we all gonna we'll take a picture and would you like to comment because we do great greatly appreciate your service Ryan knows all about it absolutely hello members of the board Brian Hoban director of community services I want to first start by thanking the board for their support for Pasco County Senior Services and the seniors of Pasco County I also want to thank our partner agency Area Agency on Aging they're here today represented by Christine Didion who would like to come up and just say a few words as well as

mellagrash they're phenomenal partners and we couldn't serve the citizens of Pasco and the seniors of Pasco without them and also want to just say thank you to the Pasco County Senior Services team they do a phenomenal job serving our citizens day in and day out and striving to be Premier so I'm gonna well and like to say the great work you're doing I think is going to lead a lot of great Services coming up in the near future for us as well so absolutely we greatly appreciate your ability to step in and making sure we're taking care of our seniors so thank you that's our goal okay thanks Ryan like Brian said my name is Christine Didion I'm with the Area Agency on Aging and Pasco and Pinellas and I have here with me melagrass our older Americans act uh Federal funding program manager that's quite a mouthful we might have to change that um as we celebrate older Americans month we also must celebrate programs that provide Supportive Services that seek to maintain older adults Independence and dignity in their own home environment thanks to the long-standing partnership with Pasco County we're able to work towards these goals together by Pasco County providing an array of services that range from Transportation home delivered meals hosting congregate meal sites nutrition counseling and nutrition Educational Services in 2022 Pasco County provided 169 over 169 000 meals and 9014 trips to over 1 000 clients over the age of 60 funded by the older American fact and I Echo Brian's sentiment that is there's a special appreciation to the staff that serve clients under the older Americans act programs without the direct service workers volunteers program coordinators and managers this program would not have the opportunity to promote Independence and dignity for older adults in our communities and the Area Agency on Aging of Pasco Pinellas looks forward to many more successful years partnering with Pasco County to continue to meet those needs of older adults thank you thank you thank you what's going on take a picture yeah thank you [Applause] foreign would you like to approach the podium this is resolution 23-120 a resolution by the board of County commissioners of Pasco County Florida expression expressing appreciation to Patrick Bros data analyst for the information technology department for his 12 years of exceptional service to Pasco County whereas Patrick Rose was hired December 6 2010 as a senior programmer analyst for the Pasco County information technology department previously serving 22 years with Pinellas County and whereas during his career with Pasco County Patrick Rose served as a senior programmer analyst a business systems analyst a technical support manager and a data analyst and whereas in 2016 Patrick was

instrumental in the implementation and data conversions from the Mainframe to the new Criminal and Juvenile Justice Information Systems and in his business systems analyst role Patrick LED projects for Pasco County including the implementation of the agenda automation system in a work order and asset management system and whereas Patrick was significant in multiple Pasco County website upgrades that provided citizens with a tool to find local information and County workers with resources they utilized on a day-to-day basis and whereas Patrick's promotion to a technical support manager in April of 2019 allowed him to gain knowledge on organizing and prioritizing software development related projects including assistance to the public infrastructure Branch his efforts and assistance to the I.T business unit support group with within led to the upgrade of the utility billing software and whereas Patrick was key to the implementation of the payment processing program for solid waste and assisted the sixth judicial circuit judges with the creation of the judge's bench scheduling application and whereas Patrick's last role as a data analyst included working with Pasco County leaders on the creation of dashboards for valuable strategic and operational kpi metrics and whereas on March 3rd 2023 Patrick retired from the board of County Commissioners the information technology department and the board of County Commissioners recognized Patrick's outstanding work ethic dedication and dependability in his many job duties which made him a valuable team member to the citizens of Pasco County now therefore be it resolved by the board of County Commissioners Pasco County Florida and session duly assembled that said board hereby hereby expresses its deepest appreciation to Patrick Rose for his more than 12 years of service to the citizens of Pasco County done and resolved in regular session with a quorum present in voting this 23rd day of May 2023. 7 say hi hi [Applause] Patrick you put many years in government I'm glad you get your training down in Pinellas and come up here and we get to reap the rewards that you've done uh the list of items that are here I'm sure there's more to it as well are is tremendous so uh for you to put your time in with us and and help us so so greatly in so many important ways as an I.T person they're very hard to come by and very well treasured for all you in in the department as well uh we're delighted that you're here and that you're with us and congratulations on your retirement I'd like to say a few words joy to be I mean I love creating things implementing new processes and everything like that making life a lot easier um especially like the fir the not the agenda automation system you have but today but the one prior to it that was very instrumental in that and it took a

lot of work and a lot of coordination with the clerk's office and and all and the agenda people so it's been a real joy to work at the county and and create things that make life a lot easier so I would appreciate you congratulations Mr [Applause] Mike carbella you guys want to add something uh when I first met Patrick I thought he had the coolest last name of anyone that I'd ever met um but you did a lot of great stuff during our time in public infrastructure I just want to thank you for that publicly well done and congrats on retirement thank you all right now do you have family here excellent when we come all up front we get to take a picture Mike anyone from the Department here Joe [Music] thank you sir please a little more [Music] thank you [Music] all morning whole morning Mr chairman where we're waiting could I uh present something to you um no no I'm just kidding that's right go ahead commissioner but um actually I've got something I want to I need a brute uh I would like to have the board approve a letter of support for Pasco County to apply for the community case uh care of the elderly Grant this is the grant that cares has backed out of the deadline for this grant for the team is June 23rd and would be great to have a letter from the board supporting the uh this effort and us trying to gain this grant for the early early folks here in Pasco County and I believe Paula can help us draft that letter for your signature okay so that's my motion to have that letter and there's a second there's a motion all in favor say aye aye and thank you commissioner Oakley I know you're serving very hard to help the seniors and greatly appreciate that Okay so we've got item p54 continuance and we have proof sorry all right yes uh p54 was advertised on Tampa Bay Times April 5th 2023 and by Affidavit of certified mailings and site postings Planning and Development item p-54 is an ordinance amending the pesto County Conference of plan providing for small scale convergence of plenum members the future language map 2-15 and sheet12 from res 3 residential three dwelling English program to Il industrial Light on approximately 11.52 Acres of real property located on North side of State Road 52 approximately 0.15 miles east of giddens Road and a map Amendment to the Future land use map 2-9 amending Siberia map 2952 Palm materials it covers the plant text amendment to Sudbury policy flu 7.1.52 Palm materials providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for

repeal or suitability and effective date and this item is being continued to the was requested to be continued to the June 20 2023 BCC meeting here in New Port Richey at 1 30. all right so move to continue time certain someone will make a motion second all in favor say aye aye aye any opposed okay p55 yes advertised and the Tampa Bay Times on January 4th 2023. item p55 is providing for a large-scale comprehensive plan amendments the future land use map app 2-15 and G22 from res 9 residential nine dwelling Mr grossaker and RoR retail office residential through PD plan development on approximately 81.47 Acres of real property located at the southwest corner of the intersection at State Road 54 and Gunn Highway at a text Amendment creating Sudbury policy flu 7.168 Odessa Town Center PD and a map Amendment to the Future land use map 2-9 adding slippery map 2-968 Odessa Odessa Town Center PD and providing for additional tax amendments as necessary for an internal consistency this is a request for a continuance to a date uncertain mainly to align with the um with an MPD that's currently making its way through the public hearing process it just needed to be re-advertised anyway so next we'll come together yeah no it's not definite we're all good okay uh move to continue second all in favor say aye aye aye then p56 um I apologize chairman there are somebody who signed up for p55 did we need to take public comment on that no this advertised as a continuance okay all right and we will go on so p56 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times on May 3rd 2023. thank you Mr chairman item p56 is an ordinance amending the Pasco County comprehensive plan providing for a comprehensive plan Amendment amending future land use map map 2-15 and sheet5 from res 3 residential three dwellings per Grocery and EC employment center to Il industrial Light on approximately 299.75 Acres of real property located west of the Suncoast Parkway along South Soft Wind Lane approximately one and a half miles north of State Road 52 and providing traditional tax amendments is necessary for an internal consistency providing for repealer severability and effective date and I have staff with me to provide the presentation okay good afternoon Brian younger with planning long-range Department project is pdd0203 prehensive plan Amendment CPAC PA 2210 Greenfield Place West Industrial site location the property is located on the sales market area on the urban service area the project overview The Proposal the applicant is proposing a comprehensive plan Amendment from rest 3 and EC to Il on approximately 299.75 Acres to allow for live industrial uses location is north of Shady Hills Road north of the Suncoast Parkway along song

with Lane approximately 1.5 mile north of State Road 52. resolution is to amend the flu map 2-15 and cheat 5 from rest 3 nec2 IL resoning there is a companion resounding petition 7696 Greenfield Place to follow here is the site location aerial map the proposed side is located within the area of Interest as as per the Tampa Bay Regional Planning Commission study here is a slide of the wetlands there's no category Wetlands on the proposed site 16 future land use of the site we got the proposed Fisher line news IL we got a map of the vision Road there's roadway Z that is some gaurav bisect to The Middle on the site we got uh the Suncoast Parkway along the east side and then you also have Suncoast trail that is to the west side of Suncoast Parkway and to the east of the proposed site here just a map to show the surrounding mpud that surround the proposed site and here is the um current zoning the proposed amendment is consistent with the following comprehensive plan policies recommendation recommend the board of County Commissioners find the proposed amendment consistent with a comprehensive plan and adopt by Road coal boat okay any questions for staff um well I just want to say one thing and based on the gentleman that spoke this morning I don't know if he's still here in public comment but this borders the Suncoast and I was part of what's an acronym called a cad Corridor advocacy group that worked to designate the Suncoast Highway as a Scenic corridor and um and so there are Landscaping buffer requirements along the edge and you know we have a very nice Trail along the edge so we're supposed to keep a vegetated buffer between um the property line and whatever development comes in so I would want to make sure that those rules and regulations are being followed when DR Horton came in with The Preserve they did put some extra trees in front of their fence that they put up along there and it's just important that we that's a beautiful Road and does our County well to have that road coming through it and that trail and I just don't want to degrade it so that's all but I'm in favor of this here's the questions for staff okay and the applicant thank you Barbara Wilhite 6327 Grand Boulevard New Port Richey for the applicant um yes commissioner Starkey I acknowledge on the record what you're saying regarding the buffering requirements we are familiar with those and we'll make sure that care is carried through it needs to be opaque understood yeah the your staff report was very well done

um this is a target area your report that was done by tbrpc last year said look at this area this part of this property is already part of the penny for Pasco a ready site program being marketed for ready sites so you're spending your penny for pasca money here it's in an area where there's what there's other industrial where you would naturally locate such a use I one thing you know I've heard the the residents comment regarding development in this area and one thing I reflect on is I'm not sure they understand the development potential for this property on the land use 1541 dwelling units are allowed 1 541 dwell units with all of the student generation that that would include so I think if you put that in perspective the fact that you had a study done it said this is an area where the county should have light industrial along with recognizing the development potential for that property for that number of homes apartments at 1541 units I think this Advance all your goals as your staff report went through it's absolutely consistent with your comprehensive plan it's what your comprehensive plan directs and we're happy to bring this property forward to advance your comprehensive plan your study and bring jobs to the county thank you Barbara uh do we have an estimate how many jobs it's going to create we do not have any users we are bringing this forward as a property owner to set it up for the future but no I don't have any estimate Dave Engel may have an idea from your economic growth Department okay thank you chair uh commissioner Whiteman thank you just in an abundance of caution uh no there's a note sent to Mr Goldstein about the potential just based on the live local Act and this zoning I just like to go on record that there's no intention to have residential multi-family on this site commissioner thank you for bringing that up um staff had kind of beat you to that and beat us up already now we're absolutely happy to do the deed restriction Mr goldstein's provided the language that we've worked on together Clark and and David and myself all worked on language to address that we have the deed restriction ready and as the rezoning comes forward you'll see that thank you must have been confident there's no running shoes on I noticed I just couldn't do it I'm such a heels girl Mr Starkey um just uh one thing Barbara um when when you know we've been getting a lot of um emails about traffic and um I can't recall if this conversation was in the mpo meeting or just one that I had with um traffic people as we were working on the 54 and and rangeland Tower intersection but they told me there's

going to be another um connection point at Shady Hills to the Suncoast so um that will help the traffic very much I'm pretty sure that's where they said it was going to be does anyone here from NPO has anyone else heard that beside me yeah so they said they were they thought there would be two the tower and the um and when it is it Shady Hills at Shady Hills goes underneath yeah goes underneath north of this property sure things goes underneath so that could help us we're good we do have Steve Henry here to talk Transportation I know you probably have some citizens that want to speak first so yeah okay we'll listen and be ready any of the questions for Obama okay all right this is time for public comment anyone here signed up for the item yes sir we have seven so I'll start with the first three um when I call your name if you'll line up behind um Miss Julia bartonic she will be the first Speaker then Dixie Sparks and Linda I apologize like having a hard time reading Flavor now maybe farmer okay thank you miss miss bartonic please give your name and address for the record Julia bartunek2645 Meadowood Drive New Port Richey Florida 34655 and um the Sierra Club Pasco conservation committee stands with this community here today against the resoning of this area to light industrial first this area is vital to the health of many Pasco County residents because a proximity to cruise Lake Park being part of the headwaters of the pithla cheskoti river secondly this area is important as a carbon sink and preserving 30 percent of green Spaces by 2030 is critical to sustainability and environmental resiliency thirdly this area has wildlife and a balanced ecosystem that are threatened and endangered such as gopher tortoises that support 360 other species in each Borough and sandhill cranes Shady Hills residents have suffered enough over the past decades with the incinerator being placed there recently approving a toxic plastics factory and now this on the agenda this is unjust unfair and unacceptable pause for 10 seconds please um sorry I get nervous here for a moment Isaiah 2 4 4-6 the Earth Mourns and Withers the world languages and Withers the highest people of the earth languish the Earth lies defiled under its inhabitants for they have transgressed it's okay I'm I'm so okay the Earthwise that made me more nervous the Earth lies if you want to come if you want to come back up later you can no just when you're ready to come back up just let us know no problem I'm Dixie

my one two uh Aberdeen Court Trinity Florida I'm in I'm here on the on behalf of the sandhill cranes um Trinity uh watch group uh this area has sandhill cranes they are protected by the migratory bird Act and they are an endangered species they're endangered because of habitat loss as I'm sure everyone here is aware of Trinity has all the wetlands have been destroyed and they're out on the highways foraging in the streets and uh most of most of them have been run over by cars we have very few left at this at this point in time I don't quite understand why we are not concerned about our Environmental issues here in Pasco County the wetlands not only provide habitat for the sandhill cranes and all wildlife but they filter our water Seven Springs filtered the water for Pasco and Pinellas County is what I've Been Told they protect us from storms flooding hurricanes they are essential to the ecological system or environment to our health when trees go water goes and we have nothing but pavement and Highway our health declines trees are oxygen and provide they provide for your very well-being to help when this is destroyed illness will take over I really wish everyone could put themselves go out and watch the sandhill cranes sometime see how they're they interact with their Cults they're the most amazing parents you'll ever see and educate your children and protect our environment for future Generations please okay all right thank you good afternoon my name is Linda Farmer I live at 18751 code Street I'm a member of the Shady Hills civic association and out of respect for your time we did not bring 458 people here with us today we brought only a few I have only a few things to speak of today one of them being this particular 300 acres which on itself would probably be okay but then you have the plastic plant in front of it and the Beautiful Del Webb community that you're going to be building on the opposite side of the street in front of our only park with a lake and a river that runs into a Starkey reserve and out to the reservoir you're going to be hear a lot about soft when you're going to hear Soft Wind soft one soft one soft one is a very small Street and the only way you can get the

soft one is from Hayes or Shady Hills Road everybody remember how many accidents were on Shady Hills Road last week almost as many members as I've gotten into the Shady Hill civic association which is 467. we had a meeting before we continue the meeting what changed from the last meeting until this meeting what new evidence has come up why did we continue the meeting we asked for a road survey everybody Road survey why do we need a road survey I'm going to show you this is a semi-tractor trailer coming from Highway 54 onto Shady Hills Road flip them go to the next screen please these are two semi-tractor trailers one of them being a dump truck going to the next one this is Shady Hills Road to County Line Road this is Shady Hills Road going onto County Line Road go to the next screen this is our school we have a three-lane road now in Shady Hills Road we have a southbound lane we have the big truck going northbound and now you will see in the next few pictures all of the teachers all the the parents have to line up on the side of this road that creates a hazard go to your next screen please these are the two these are the periods that have to line up on the side of Shady Hills Road every single day with this amount of traffic cross flow traffic that shouldn't be coming down Shady Hills Road from Soft Wind because they don't use Hayes Road it's not a trucking Lane it's next screen I'm going to run out of time these are our school buses do you see all the traffic that look at the look at the amount of traffic that's going down our road during school being let out go ahead keep going keep going this is one of your EarthLink dump trucks that do not use Shady Hills road that goes down Hayes keep going these are just like all types of vehicles right and there's a third lane behind that with people sitting on the side of the road if any emergency vehicle had to come down that road right now what would happen if somebody had an accident or blew a tire what would happen go to your next screen another one of your trucks go another truck go this is a this is this is just a huge truck Shady to host Road look where it's at the only sidewalk that we have in front of the school that's where it stops there was some more pictures I had this is the water meter at the beginning the top of What flows through your preserve ma'am keep going the puddles in the water keep going one more picture that's your riverbed that runs into Cruise Lake park that has absolutely no water in it can I get one more picture please that's a six hundred thousand dollar observation tower that you guys just spent for their penny for Pasco to look at next picture please that water right

there in Cruise Lake this entire area that you've picked out to place all your little things that you're going to tie into a big bow and make this big giant Community there's wetlands in that area I don't care what they say you need a survey somebody needs to get out there there's Wetlands on that 300 acres there is a Wetlands on that 300 acres that it needs to be looked at there's a statue if I move a gopher turtle which I have 13 on my three acres of property I'm fined for I have photos of them scooping up everything on that land when they built that plastic plant and burning the turtles down we have coyotes we have all kinds of animals coming through our community killing our animals that we raise to have chickens for our eggs our goats so we don't have to go to the store and buy a dollar carton of eggs I I'm I am begging you guys I am laying my life down here as a fourth generation Floridian and I'm begging you we need a road survey and we need a land survey on this property it's going to be irresponsible for you to go any forward without it I just want you to know Shady Hills is here and we are going to be at every single planting they told us at the planning meeting to show up I said I'm not going to do that because 458 people come in here taking up three minutes of your time is irresponsible on our behalf you don't need to hear the same thing over and over and over again but you you do need to hear us I'm asking for you to hear us we're already in a drought situation where's the water coming from for all this it's not just this 300 acres the plant the Del Webb it's all it's all it wrapped into one big thing you're going to ruin our only Park that we have I'm just begging you guys please just we need to take another look at this before you just pass it through we don't want any more accidents or deaths happening on Shady Hills Road I appreciate the extra time okay I'm going to take the next four who are signed up please don't applaud I'm going to take the next four who signed up for public comment Matthew core Nielsen followed by Dennis Kegel followed by Jen kurok and lastly Mary crandis um Matthew Cornelson 17662 oxenham Shady Hills Florida um I had the opportunity to speak at the Planning Commission meeting last Thursday about the adjacent project this one the 900 Acres with the additional 300 acres of light industrial and one of the things that was mentioned there was they said that we needed to come to the board and talk to the board about Road priorities they took the time during the meeting to question what is happening with the Shady Hills Road Corridor the Shady Hills Road Corridor is the principal north south Corridor coming from Spring Hill going down to 52 and includes the cut through on Soft Wind and Hayes Road and what was

disclosed at the Planning Commission meeting is that there are no plans to do anything with this Corridor for the next 10 years and that quite simply is unacceptable I found the earliest mention of this area being developed in the news media was back in 2006 so that's 17 years and now we've got another 10 years on top of that with no plans to do anything for this road when we're looking at 300 acres of light industrial with this project 300 acre Supply industrial with the adjoining process of a project uh 1500 plus new homes apartment units in this general area all in a triangle formed by four schools and yet we still have a road that is an embarrassment to Pasco County it has two lanes whether you're in the Northern parts of Shady Hills whether you're Southern Parts whether you're over in softwood there are two lanes but there are two other lanes and Linda talked about how there's three there's actually four because depending on the time of day cars have to use the dirt road or the dirt path on the other side when I came to the Planning Commission meeting I thanked them for increasing the width of their proposed trail from five foot to eight foot because that's simply going to allow the cars an additional three foot to drive down when we can't get an additional Road built here there are too many things going into this area and not enough Road capacity to allow for children to safely attend these four schools thank you thank you thank you good afternoon Dennis Kegel 18 205 Bosley drive thank you for letting me speak today and I'm here in concerns about the light industrial um a couple of things is we don't know what it's going to be you know it could be anything we already have a Plastics plant and if you see it all the times and things go wrong sometimes and if it's something goes wrong it's not only going to be a disaster for our community but with Crews like being the head of the main river that flows all the way through Newport Richie poor Richie it's going to affect that Community as well if it gets into the water and then we don't know what kind of trucking they're going to be having and with the theory that they use Hayes Road being totally false by the pitchers and by what we've seen Shady Hills Road Canton it wasn't built for them heavy trucks and without knowing what's going there we don't know what kind of vehicles that they're going to be using so strongly oppose it being light industrial for now until we find out more of what's going to go on or if we can get our the roads fixed thank you Jen Kerouac one five nine two five Green Glen Lane good afternoon um I have been before y'all before there's you know I've invited folks to our Shady Hills meetings we've spoke with commissioner Weightman

commissioner Mariano chairman Mariano has come to a couple of our meetings we've invited all the Commissioners to the meetings that's because our community has been left out we haven't had a voice and this continues generationally at the Planning Commission meeting the other day Mr Moody said that this has been an issue for decades for decades Shady Hills has been kind of set aside and I would like to also commend the county for their work in the locuchi area okay it's my understanding 150 000 HR dollars were spent to meet with that Community to pull together a plan of of the improvements in that community and um that's exactly what we've been asking for so when I asked the person who shared this with me how do we do that they simply said the County Commissioners are the ones that make the decisions they're the ones that okay the money they're the ones that make the plans they're the ones that we follow so we have three minutes per meeting so six minutes each per month that we can come before you they had a hundred and fifty thousand HR dollars um the the community there I looked it up 1562 folks um with a decrease of eight percent is their population Shady Hills population was just a little over twelve thousand three hundred fifty nine folks something like that with an increase of eight percent in population and yet we continue to be just overlooked um we were told the other day we don't show up but clearly we're here showing up we are saying the same things over and over again we are seeing that there is a lack of consideration the planning does not align you know with with what is happening in other areas I mean a hundred and fifty thousand and HR dollars and we can't get someone to come for you know a few minutes to talk to us and get ideas from the community I know you did that in lacuchi there's nearly 50 million dollars to improve two and a half miles of Road near that area and and I commend you for the work to try and improve that area but why is there a lack of focus on this area because we we see that chairman Mariano is supporting other areas and we've had conversations commissioner Mariano with regards to our need to gather the other Commissioners together to to try and improve that I know you only have this time and it's the Sunshine Law and so on I'm sorry I gotta wrap it up please yes I have a video as well of two times up okay well we're going to continue to show up we'll continue to email and I pray that you all make decisions that will positively impact our area crinitis [Music] all right name and address for the record hi I'm Mary Carnitas I live at 15515 waxweed Avenue waxweed is a flower I'd like to use some of my time for Miss

Jennifer to finish Pastor Jennifer to finish her thing can she do that use your time to show the video if you want yeah yeah can we do that and okay I just want to um these people that are against our environment I'm I'm further how long is the video okay go ahead hurry yeah you might want to do the vid here it goes you do it here we go okay okay this is yeah this is where this is a dirt road where people their parents Park and there and and then regular traffic goes down that road all those people on the side of the road are parents waiting for their kids okay there's no safe place for even kids to walk home right guys am I saying this right um that's how crazy it is look at that now that's the turn into the school that's what Shady Hills Elementary right yeah that okay so this is just one of the many schools that are that are down there okay so we got Cruise Lake Middle we got Cruise Lake Middle School which is a brand new school we got Shady Hills Elementary and uh what am I missing Jim Mary giella which those little kids gonna look out the window imagine looking out the window and I'm speaking to the camera because I hope you're paying attention out there imagine being the school child looking out of your window and seeing a nasty dirty gross Plastics plant and then trying to decide what you want to do for your future they're building okay there are areas that are non-flood areas okay I'm getting tired of of of being with the Red Cross and disasters that I go on with FEMA and seeing destroyed places I'm worried about the future of the water I'm getting tired of registering people because they lost everything we don't we don't want this to be the next place where people lost everything okay let's just save the trees and the birds and the job that the the birds do the lady down there mentioned about how they help with the storms and everything okay and you know this the legends of Chief arapika and all that about living over here because there's less hurricanes we just want to keep this place good let's live by live by the trees let's keep Shady Hills Shady with trees let's not be greedy about industrialization and all that okay because this is sand we got water below us Mr Mariano you do remember tasting the well water out of that bottle tastes just like Zephyr Hills you can't compare the difference I should have brought some of them for you all come over my house 15515 wax we'd knock on the door and have some of my well water because I hope for your children and grandchildren that'll be the water that they'll be able to savor and enjoy because that's what we're here for we're here for the animal here for the voiceless the animals the trees guys just hang out in my yard under all those oak trees okay let's just 300 acres is a lot to build up to garbage and junk and smell Okay who wants that

you know you don't want that you know in your heart you don't want that right you guys you beeping at me but you know I'm right America on the camera out there okay you know in your heart that we're right time's up all right come on up man I'm Julia bartunek2645 Meadowood Drive New Port Richey Florida 34655 and I'd like to say after the rainy season it would be great if another environmental impact statement was done after the rainy season Isaiah 2 4 4-6 the Earth Mourns and and this is for myself included the Earth Mourns and Withers the world languages and Withers the highest people of the earth languish the Earth lies defiled under its inhabitants for they have transgressed the laws violated the statutes broken the Everlasting Covenant therefore cursed of our earth and its inhabitants suffer for their guilt therefore the inhabitants of the Earth are scorched and a few men are left thank you anyone else here for a public comment on p-56 anyone online but there is not okay I will close public comment the applicant might come back up yes there's no one on WebEx um is it okay if I ask some questions first or do we do it during Barbara's rebuttal you can do it either way okay so speak now too well is Gary Plastics here yet no okay David I'm I'm when I look online at their building it's a nice building I so can you can you tell me what's what we the community can expect with Gary Plastics that's the cup okay sorry one second Barbara David Engel economic growth director Gary Plastics is to occupying 266 000 square feet of a 400 000 square foot building the company is a Plastics recycling company it is a Light Industry there are no emissions coming out of the building besides thermal out of the roof or out of uh at events and it's a closed system and they pre-treat the waste in any waste goes into our sanitary system so there's it's not an environmental issue and it's consistent with light industrial not heavy industrial okay I just wanted to make sure people may have had the wrong impression of what was coming yeah I I I've responded to a series of letters from an individual in the Shady Hills area explaining what the use was and we've added the use before we entertained working with them and they came up clean okay and how many jobs are going to create why in this project Greenfield West no this Gary's Plastics uh 500 jobs sir okay that's great thank you okay thank you memorable height 63-27 for the applicant we heard a lot about the environment I must say in this the county has done quite a bit of planning for the environment over on the east side of Shady Hills Road east of the Suncoast Parkway you have your crossbar Starkey to crossbar

ecological Corridor which you've done quite a bit of work through your penny for Pasco funds in in both one purchasing outright purchasing that Corridor for preservation as part of your cruise Lake Park system as well as getting Property Owners to donate conservation easements to the county so there has been quite a bit of focus on the on the on the environment in this area in planning for preservation this project has to go through the Environmental Studies listed species survey wetland delineation I did when Brian was speaking I he was fine to say to you there's no category one Wetlands I think he said no Wetlands but his map shows there are some category two and three Wetlands but none of your category one wetlands are mapped on these partic this particular property and Bob aren't we the only kind that actually does two and three pardon me uh we're the only County that actually looks at two and three category Wetlands you're like you're the only County that that categorizes wetlands in addition to what Swift Mud does you have your own categorizations one two and threes Swift Mud scores Wetlands they don't have a categorization so you have additional regulations on Wetlands here in Pasco that other jurisdictions do not have although other communities have different classifications for Wetlands as well the class one class two class three is unique to us but my former jurisdiction had herbaceous and forested that they looked at as a separate level it each local government kind of does it differently um I think the rest of it's all a traffic discussion um I think you've heard from from Mr Engel about the job potential for the property to the north of us where the plastic plant will be light industrial by definition cannot have any objectionable objectionable aesthetic impact can't have any adverse noise smoke dust vibration or glare and you have performance standards in your in your car in your comp plan as well as your Land Development code to make sure that's the case if it had any of those objectionable Aesthetics impact adverse noise smoke dust or vibration or glare you have to be a heavy industrial and there's no heavy industrial we're proposing light Industrial Steve Henry has looked at the traffic um in this area what's going on currently with the growth what's projected to look like for Shady Hills Road and the other roads in 2035 as well as what what the traffic distribution is for this property so I'll have him come and speak to you about what he has reviewed regarding traffic I would say that the video of Shady Hills Elementary as you know is well north of of this site not to diminish their concerns um about Shady Hills Elementary and the traffic in that location but it is quite a bit north and again the property is

currently land use for 1500 homes so we're taking the ability to have to remove those homes from this property have job producing property and to deed restrict the ability to have affordable housing on the on the project Steve Henry Langston Associates 5023 West Law Tampa 33607 we although not required we did do a bunch of counts at their the intersections uh soft winds Shady Hills and 52 Hudson and Hayes to look at what the existing capacity of the roadways are and then we also looked at in the future and we just used a growth rate at this point but looking at a two percent per year growth rate which is actually much higher than what we looked at historically what is out in that area and based on that the all the roadways Shady Hills soft winds Hudson Hayes all operate at either level of service C but all of them are C today and then d uh only all of them are C except for one D in the future now one of the things that you looked at was Shady Hills is not a capacity there's a difference between capacity issue and an operational issue so with Shady Hills Elementary and some of the elementary schools you do have some operational issues because they don't have the queuing on site that they need that's not necessarily a capacity issue of the roadway it is an operational issue that certainly needs to be looked at as far as that school whether there's some you know different staggering of hours whether there's some different cueing that can be done on site but that's really an operational issue that's not necessarily something you go with four laner road because a school has an operational issue but from our standpoint we've looked at it and the reality is that this project this particular piece of property is at Hudson and soft winds so the majority of the traffic is really going to be looking more at going down Hudson down Hayes than necessarily going north up to soft winds and Shady Hills and then going back south again to 52. the reality the short distance is 52 is Hayes Road it's actually got better geometry at 52 than than soft winds or then Shady Hills does that that unless you've got any questions just one question on the video we just saw there was a yellow pipe standing up in the ground is that like a gas line or right typically okay okay thank you is there any are there any of those roads truck um what's the word where it's no through trucks and should there be maybe at certain times of the day I don't know I don't know that area as well according to Shady Hills Road yeah I mean I I think that's pretty much a major north-south thoroughfare you know widening you know you discussed capacity issues and operational issues I mean as far as operational issues with the school board we try to work with the school board when there are operational issues as far as stacking of traffic on

their site provided that there's room I mean there's there's always opportunities to go speak with the school board about those matters with regards to Shady Hills widening in from a capacity perspective that's in in the 2045 lrtp that is in the 2036 to 2045 time frame as to when we think that capacity will actually be be needed but operationally we can always consider operational improvements Brantford I think there's also some pedestrian and sidewalk improvements that are planned yes yeah where's their sidewalk they're supposed to have sidewalks in front of their school oh they get on us I think Branford can speak to them okay like this good afternoon Commissioners assistant County Administrator so there's a sidewalk plan on Shady Hills Road from Mary giala Elementary to possibly dry design is in 2026 and construction 2027. also we plan to put a signal at Bosley drive and designs in 2024 which is next year and construction 2025. Bosley Drive b-o-s-l-e-y yes can someone zoom in where that is in the map oh that's nowhere near the school that's not anywhere near Mary GL Elementary at least on my map that took me far away from the school when I look uh Mary Jella is got Shady Hills on the bottom and cruise Lake on the north is that wrong that's what I have on maps so Bosley's not anywhere near Shady Hills I think it's in both huh I think it's above but I mean the section that's right in here is Industrials all around there there's oh that's fine so from down below Shady ocean crosses over interesting this shows that as Cruise Lake Drive and here it's called krella Drive so where's Bosley let me clarify that with the team so this this development is south of the schools um yeah no it's just that was no you know the school district needs to do a better job when they have well there's a dangerous situation out there frankly yeah for anyone driving on the side of that road on the dirt with those pipes are there someone hits one of those pipes it's bad news so I don't know if you guys have been and I'm not talking to the audience but I don't know if the people have been there to the school but but I think we need to send this tape to the school board because they got to address this issue they can't have people driving on that side why can't they Stack Up on the street to the left of the school Jack it's just something to look at with them we're fixing it for Trinity Oaks Elementary because they're stacking up on Mitchell Boulevard and we're going to change the direction of the parent Loop so they

stack on the school property we have to put a light in there um just during school hours but you know there's ways to work on school stacking and we've worked with the school board in the past on stacking especially in older schools where that wasn't really a consideration so we we will take that for Action yeah but but but the the situation is deeper than that too it's bigger okay we've got County Line Road hopefully we're going to get improvements on that with DOT coming up after July um when that road gets done and built in maybe it's three four or five years before that gets done that's going to bring even more traffic down this way as a two-lane road I mean 52 is a two-lane road for a long time but this is going to get a lot of traffic and with two schools that are right on there there's a two or three four all the schools that are on that roadway the kids need a place to get up and down now when we passed the penny for Pasco I specifically asked to have money put in to do Road improvements for industrial project command because we don't generate Transportation impact fees we're trying to coverage jobs to come to this County the whole purpose is not having people drive somewhere else they can live in their own neighborhood and come to work so for that reason I think this project is very good but there's an opportunity there now it doesn't have to just be that source of money there's other pots of money we can tie into to make these improvements so I think it's it's time we go take a look at Shady Hills Road North South all the way down whatever improves we can make around here and start working on that there's going to be some time that we'll have to work on it but with all that we're working on it's going to be important that we you know provide a place for the kids to go around I'm very supportive of this development but I mean this this comprehensive plan has changed because it will be bring jobs and years ago when you know we gave bus transit to Moon Lake they didn't have it there we then brought it up there too so that people would have a way to get the jobs as well um the paving assessment up into the highlands was completely unique I think was a good thing we did as well uh for those who might have forgot we did a trailer wood notes on there where they couldn't build trailer homes up there we made them build single-family homes that was something we did but initiated so it's not like we've left them left alone but not a lot of growth has come there but this opportunities now and with Moffett right down below there's some high-end jobs that have been coming in this whole area so growth is coming and I think it's good to get industrial land to get these jobs in there but at the same time I understand the concerns about bringing in the infrastructure that we need and use whatever sources we can to elevate that up commissioner Weightman thank you chair to piggyback on your comments will you we're learning that on Old Pasco Road

right with Rooker coming in schools and residential mix it's a north-south Corridor heavily trafficked just as Shady Hills is so I'd be supportive of with us through the mpo process chair or whatever you think is best to keep traffic flowing safely and not have industrial traffic and residential traffic mix with school kids I'm supportive of the best plan that we can put forward there I think it'd be good if we brought staff in to go let's go let's go take a look at all the roads we one thing we don't do enough of we don't look at all the road improvements that are coming up that we deal with the mpo that's one thing but there's other sources of money other decisions are being made where the money is getting spent and I think it's time this commission gets those presentations with the even the upcoming budgets let's go see where the money's being spent and it used to be the commission has had at least a good chunk of money for program maintenance what was going to be done in certain areas I think we need to go back to a little bit more of that especially when we've got situations like this yes sir and I think I I had mentioned at the previous board meeting about bringing some more transparency of that process to the board so that's that's in that's in progress good any other questions for staff pleasure the board and I do support what we have on board here I think it's going to bring jobs I think it's going to be a good thing but I think we need to collectively work together but I'm gonna approved second any further discussion all in favor say aye aye please home all right district one commissioner Oakley aye District Two commissioner waitman aye District 3 commissioner Starkey aye District 4 commissioner Bradford Bradford District Five chairman Mariano aye um commissioner Mariano um to the um residents who are organizing in that area which I think is a good thing uh you know we're going through our comp plan Amendment our comp plan um what's the word study evaluation evaluation and I do think there's a meeting coming up in that area is that correct is there a series of meetings coming up yeah so Terry is there one up in the that that part of the the county and this is where residents can come and help shape the future of your of your area yeah there is going to be a comprehensive Plan update Workshop public Workshop uh coming up later this summer in the Northwestern parts of of Pasco it's just a matter of scheduling a facility to have everyone come together so I'm sure commissioner Mariana will let you know when that's coming up in your area and you can go and there'll be maps and great play great times for you to make your suggestions and and Terry I know we talked about this before too as far as

like where the meetings were going and I thought there should be more centrally located but I think we should have one in Shady Hills as well as the other parts of my district as well to spread out I saw you added a couple more so I think the more input we get the better I'll talk to the staff okay thank you all right motion passes 50 p57.040 sorry we have proof okay P57 uh was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times April 23rd April 30th May 7th and May 14th 2023. Mr chairman item p58 or excuse me on mp57 is an ordinance establishing the Hillcrest preserve Community Development District pursuant to chapter 190 Florida Statutes providing for authority and power of the district providing for powers and duties of the district providing for support of Supervisors of the district providing for the District budget providing for functions of the district providing for miscellaneous Provisions providing for an effective date we have staff for presentation if there's interest in one your presentation I'm trying to remember which one should we see we already in public comment there's no one signed up for public comment okay I'm sorry P57 the CDs approval second any further discussion all in favor says district one commissioner Oakley aye District Two commissioner Whiteman aye District 3 commissioner Starkey aye District 4 commissioner Bradford District Five chairman Mariano aye motion passers 40 and there was no one on WebEx either correct there was no one on WebEx item p-58 uh p58 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times on April 16 2025. finally waiting two years for this finally you're taking my am I opening so so I listen I know that today's been pretty intense and it's going to be hard for you to curb my enthusiasm to actually be here so Keith Wiley director of parks recreation and natural resources this has been I think I've been working on this since 2015. so you know we did the go Bond well we did the master plan we did the go Bond we got that done thanks to the public then we initiated some Capital uh plan adjustments refinements then we did the impact fee study and now we're here so um I have a question Mr chairman so are we going to do the workshop the extraordinary circumstances Workshop yeah I was just going to mention that I think you should consider p61 and 62. before you do p58 let's go to p61 do we have proof yes sir please hold p61 Tampa Bay Times April 16 2023 do you also want me to do p62 at the same time uh let's do one by one okay so just 61. oh but so which I'm sorry for clarifications all right so we're gonna do a comp plan first okay okay let me switch up here I thought we were doing the workshop first my apologies

is there any way we can do the workshop first I would prefer to do the workshop first let's do p62. do we have proof I really want to all right so p62 we have proof is advertising Tampa Bay Times April 16 2023. are you are you comfortable I am so comfortable now thank you thank you I and so you'll it makes sense so all right so this is the second Workshop dedicated to defining extraordinary circumstances necessitating the need for the Parks and Recreation impact fee increase to exceed the phase and limitations in sections 163.318016bc ND uh Florida Statutes so just a quick recap of the statutes obviously this statute limits impact fee increases up to 50 percent unless you demonstrate the extraordinary circumstances the purpose of this Workshop is to demonstrate that it does allow the local government to exceed it again if you actually have demonstrated the extraordinary circumstances the impact fee study is the demonstration of those circumstances we do need to adopt the impact fee increase by at least two-thirds vote of the board so legal parameters just just basically for the general public impact fees must be collected and used to cover the cost of expanding infrastructure they cannot be used for the maintenance or non-capacity improvements so no deferred maintenance only those who benefit from the expansion can be holders held responsible for the cost of set expansion new users are not required to finance replacing public facilities or bring them up to standard again no use for maintenance you must have a plan so we do have a plan we have a 20 22 to 2045 Capital plan and fees must be based on a level of service relative to existing conditions so back in April we presented this to the Planning Commission after we presented last fall to the BCC as a as a request to proceed with the adoption that the board approved at that time we presented to the Planning Commission the Planning Commission did find that they did not believe there was no extraordinary circumstances to justify the increase I think you all understand what the impacts of that would mean obviously that would significantly reduce the amount of Revenue is being presented by the increase to date so what ultimately hamper the the County's ability to fund the capital plan okay so here's again overview of the of the extraordinary circumstances the fee hasn't been adopted since 2002. we all know the cost of construction materials have increased uh facility need is based on concurrency requirements basically you're looking at a budget total budget with inflationary increases around 280 million dollars it's obviously necessary to make sure that we have all that stuff in place to ensure the fees cover the cost in the impact fee study we selected alternative two is the recommendation which include the inflationary adjustments over the life of the capital plan statute does require the calculation of the impact

fee is based on the most recent and localized data which the study does support statute does require that the impact fee is reasonably connected to the needs generated by growth that's the whole purpose of what we're trying to do here so this map shows basically all the existing level of service for the parts that are in the ground to date so you see blue that's the level of service area is defined by five miles drive time on existing roads a lot of white space the red is basically what would be funded through the through through this fee as well as the the capital plans as you see what we're trying to do is we're trying to close the gap on level of service for Parks throughout the county through 2045. again I think you're all well aware of what this graph is this is just the producer price index for commodity and construction materials still seems to be climbing climbing we actually got an email from the County Administrator wanting to to compare Engineers estimates to um to the actual costs and I think that we're getting close but at the end of the day the costs are still basically skyrocketing is an issue this is the most important slide I think so in demonstrating extraordinary circumstances so lock your mind on the number 42. number 42 is important because currently right now underneath the existing fee the parks department generates about three and a half million annually in Revenue across three districts for Parks projects new capacity projects it would take approximately 42 years to build the plan that we presented if we stayed at the existing rate so that's about funding a you know a park every seven to ten years that's a pretty long time I think most kids would actually grow up in the houses and move on and then we'd be probably building parks for you know for their kids I think at the end of the day information I think you're all well aware of this is just uh the population growth and census data that I think that PDD presents to you guys quite often just a quick overview on the current parks department funding sources so General Ops is basically funded out of the general fund at around 20 million dollars impact fees I just disclosed general fund for Capital and is basically we go through the capital process like a lot of other departments that are in the general fund and it says money is available so currently we have no outside of the impact fee we have no funding source other than impact fees and requesting money through the general fund current fee currently sits at 800 891 dollars for single family 627 for multi-family we are recommending going to a single dwelling unit and it's a it's a it's a substantial increase we're going from 891 to 3 450 per dwelling unit and again just to remember that ultimately is addressing a plan that is is it's not consumptive based it's planned so that is a very high level summary um on the extraordinary circumstances to my

understanding you guys do not have to vote on that it's just basically a public Workshop again we had the first one with the Planning Commission any questions for me I'll just make one comment Keith um you know I think parks are extremely important I think many years ago and back in 1986 that the board went out and actually spent a lot of money and and built a lot of these products that we have currently and when we had the downturn the economy back 0-7 Parks got cut 30 percent and to get caught back up is going to be tough the people that are moving in I'll I'll preface it back to we made a school board impact fee many years ago and the argument was and now at the time I was pushing to to cut the impact fees down to get construction going and when a lady from Tampa come up and talked to me about I know you have high impact fees one of the reasons I want to live in Pasco County because you understand the importance of these impact fees to let the new growth pay for itself so that schools don't fall behind um clearly we have some issues where we just saw a few minutes ago Shady Hills but I think it's something that we need to invest in the Parks I think the more Parks we have the better the parks are keeps kids off the streets keeps them busy I always felt that if the busier I kept my kids at night when I went to bed they were they were in pretty good shape from there and I'm happy to go that way I'm sure hopefully yeah I just had add to that comment um when I came on board and was elected in uh a little over six years ago now we were 20 about 20 years with deferred maintenance on on our recreation parks and so we had to make that time up but covet came along and then stopped a lot of things but actually it allowed us to have um time to rebuild a lot of fields because a lot of things were stopped because of of covet itself but so we were able to catch up with that but now with all the growth that we're having in the county and all the fields that are needed to have our kids play on fields and all the developments that are coming along with more and more Parks more Recreation areas we definitely need to jump our game up to to catch up to do the right thing for our kids in our County so very important commissioner well I'll add my two cents so um I moved here almost 32 years ago and the last Park built west of Collier Parkway before I moved here was Veterans Park there there has not been a park until Starkey in the 32 years that I moved here west of Collier Park yeah just think of the growth it's crazy crazy the commissioner strike

when that park opened up we did the Grand Opening which was phenomenal um it was just a spectacle how great that place was I could complain from Little League or saying Where's My Little League field so there's still as much as we've made making improvements there's still a lot more to be done well starkey's not even done yet so yeah okay we're there we're getting there a lot more coming they're making progress so then we move on to what no this is this is a public Workshop so you need to take public comment okay any public comment on p62 which one and then one line okay all right now we'll go close that and I'll go to p61. I won't complain about that on the scale to p61 okay so uh p61 is the comprehensive plan amendments it is a text Amendment providing comprehensive plan tax amendments to chapter five Recreation and open space element the glossary and providing additional text and minutes is necessary for internal consistency this is just the history that I recap so that's why the workshop was important the first time yes ma'am I understand I work context myself so what do we have here basically is um we're switching from a regulatory tool of concurrency when we did the impact fee study to a specific Target in the you know in the plan itself so that's the adjustment for the for the for the changes and where you see where we go down in community Parks uh up in District parks and down to Natural Resources parks this is just a quick snapshot of the actual plan we were very careful to include the specific definitions of each one so that way we actually could you know in the future understand what a community park a district Park a natural resources Park would be further clarification we wanted to make sure that we understood that there's certain specific or unique facilities that should be co-located with District Parks those could be a skate park a BMX park dog park Etc timeline for implementation we need to get this transmitted to the Department of State within 10 days after final adoption in July 11 of this year effective date if the amendment is not timely challenge there'll be 31 days from the actual approval but just as a reminder we're actually shooting for an effective date of January 1st 2024 for the fee itself so with that said um Parks is recommending board action to authorize the transmittal any questions for me any questions for Keith okay and Keith I'll just make a comment we've talked about about Jose for public I noticed the sun Sunwest is not on the list but you do have other improvements through your whole plan yes correct yeah yeah so right now we need a motion to transmit uh to get a public comment first a public comment anyone here from the public wish to comment p62

foreign good afternoon Mr chair Commissioners Edward Briggs vice president of government relations for our state Consulting Group representing the Tampa Bay Builders Association 512 East Kennedy Boulevard Tampa Florida just wanted to comment to say well thank you so much we appreciate all the time we've worked with staff on this especially Keith as we plan to looked at this issue over the last nine months and really do support overall the increases that you are looking at for Parks we know it's a very important issue for you and your constituents I think one thing that we do ask is from the TBA perspective is that when looking at this going forward that you do consider what we talked with the staff about the 60 42-year phase increase this is something that we came from an agreement on with staff and we hope that the commission would honor that so thank you so much Mr Bruce if you could stay on please just on I just want to talk about that a little bit and I'm sympathetic to the increased cost that's going to go but the people are going to be paying it when they get there and I think it's a big positive for them to actually see that money is going to go into Parks now one thing we've talked about at the commission is to actually look at taking the perm reading fees that you guys are paying now currently and bringing those down so I don't know how much it's going to be an offset to it but I think if we get those fees down low enough there should be an offset you'd be a break even and that's upfront money that should help you guys right up front so keep in mind we don't want to hurt you guys but we got to protect our people and I think everyone coming in here is going to say you know what I want to I want to pay the fee I want to make sure I got parked for my kids so what do we decide I just want you to know I'm coming that way any other comments yeah I can be happy to let you manage my phone folks want Parks they want fields and they want them yesterday yeah so yes thank you thank you Spirits no thank you commissioner just to add to you know completely and I think it was important for us to be here to just let you know that we do support overall the fee increases and everything that you're doing I think one thing to also keep in mind even talking with your staff and something to support is Wendy's go into effect as it seems like in January you all will be bonding these projects and no matter what that will be allowed with you all having news feeds increases so the phasing really wouldn't matter that much in the sense that if you guys do face in order to two years you're still going to be bonding these projects at the end of the day so I just wanted to keep that in perspective so you will be getting these projects out of the ground immediately so I just want to keep that book commissioner we appreciate the comments on the permit fees as well well I appreciate you in the building Association you guys been great to work with us we try to like help help growth

come and get the good growth companies and we'll be talking a little bit later on thank you thank you anyone else here from the public want to speak anybody on WebEx there is no one so we'll close this item so we need to answer to the board now actually this is just presentation no no this is transmittal to to approve second all in favor say aye aye aye opposed I would say zone two looks a little big I think Zone one needs to be a little bigger all about access uh so p58 yeah now with Keith's permission we'll go back to 58. so thank you Mr Stein Snyder I appreciate that I feel very comfortable at this point uh p58 is an ordinance by the Pasco County Board of County Commissioners amending the Pasco County Land Development code to increase Parks and Recreation impact fees along the phase and limitations in section 163.318016 Florida Statutes think that's enough for that part again most of this stuff is pretty much some Recaps so I do want to talk about the recommendation by the Planning Commission that was made in April the Planning Commission did find that the proposal maintenance amendments for the comp plan were consistent they did recommend approval of the Amendments underneath these conditions a phase-in was instituted and or a lower fee was brought forth an exemption for affordable housing was included in inclusion of a fee for hotels specifically and requiring that all changes to the 2022-2045 prnr capital plan be adopted by ordinance instead of resolution just some brief discussion on these from recommend recommendation one obviously when we presented back in September the board did not recommend at that time for a phase-in we briefly discussed before what a phase and ultimately would do long term to the actual revenue generated underneath the proposed fee again that's up to the board's will underneath recommendation two we felt that the inclusion of hotels into the ordinance was counterproductive based on some of the recent incentives that the board actually you know provided to the hotel industry we want to bring hotels here recommendation three was that the capital plan itself be adopted by ordinance instead of resolution so the actual Capital plan is is really the document it's the document that it's not it's not actually being proposed to be included into the LDC anything that would be major that would be changed would um that would affect the fee structure would have to be adopted by ordinance but everything else basically is being proposed to um to be changed through resolution recommendation four is the inclusion of an affordable housing exemption if you will or discount that's something that we're happy to discuss with Community Development assuming we can figure out what the definition of that would be as I understand it from County attorney David Goldstein is that

if it's discussed here and we have time to work on that with Community Development we can bring it back on July 11th for consideration by the board I don't know if that's still standing to be correct but it is but I think the board would have to direct us to pursue that and as board's well aware the in the interim the legislature adopted Senate Bill 102 the live local act and I don't know if you want to delay consideration of an affordable housing exemption until we've had a more more thorough analysis of the effects of that act but it's up to the board thank you thank you I've I've kind of been really vocal on this topic I think we need to wait and see what this act does and what it how it how it comes and impacts Pasco County I think I think we need to give the time okay Mr Starkey no I don't want to wait I don't want to delay okay we delayed for 20 something years already well are we talking about okay and the impact fee where the affordable housing exemption I don't Mr Williams talking about delay in the affordable housing exemption only I yeah we don't wanna on that am I saying it right no no can't we look at those piece by piece you can adopt the impact fee at the next public hearing as scheduled and you can Implement an affordable housing exemption at a later date if you want to yeah that's what commissioner Whitman is talking about yes later date when we know the impacts yes there okay as a public hearing they like to speak to this item no one signed up to the board move approval so I can help this is this is your first oh this is your first this is no action required this is your first public hearing the second adoption hearing will be held on July 11 2023 at 1 30 in Dade City okay so if I can just close with something real quick um like I said been working on this really long time with the team I do appreciate all the support by the board um you know parks are essential we all know that everyone deserves an awesome Park uh we have a really cool plan but without finances you can't get anything done so I think this is an awesome first step to making that happen so thank you on behalf of the department and the citizens okay okay thank you thank you Keith keep up the great work Christina keep in line okay uh we only have one item on the public hearings for a consent agenda so I'm going to skip the consent part and we're just going to go right to item p59 okay p59 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times on May 10 2023 and by Affidavit of certified mailings and site postings okay because even though there's one do we need I mean it's up to you

we've got one item should we just and I believe your planner is going to be pulling it off consent anyway so I think we we can do it we can do the time frames if it becomes an issue okay all right p59 Mr chairman uh Commissioners my name is Ed Zody and I'm with long-range planning no matter before you would have been a transmittal and it was initially on consent however there was a change made actually this morning which we will support but I wanted to provide that to you through a presentation okay as you know the property is located in the Central Market area excuse me on the north side of State Road 52 and west of Kent Grove Drive The Proposal is to amend the future land use from res3 and IL to Res six to allow for a multi-family development of 231 Townhomes the resolution will be to amend flu map 215 and g12. there is an mpud that's running concurrently with this and actually as I indicated to commissioner Starkey the mpud and this adoption will both occur on July 11th so they'll both be heard to review just to generally show the the consistency the following policies are consistent with the proposed comprehensive plan Amendment res six res six is to recognize those areas that are suited for single-family and multi-family residential development The Proposal here is for 231 units it is also eligible for a density bump because of the cap one Wetlands that surround the property it's in the Central Market area and it is highly encouraged to put the proposed development utilize this missing middle housing and approach to developing a clustered and compact form which is occurring here and the land use the red six is a identified as a compatible transitional land use with the res 3. we as we had discussed in the past there is a limitation on the conversion of the important employment locations for your information both Pasco EDC and economic growth reviewed this site and by virtue of the wetlands deemed wasn't appropriate for industrial use now that is a subjective analysis the next plan however the policy food 123 prohibits industrial use with respect that's consistent contiguous excuse me to uh a category one wetland the economic development analysis was provided and showed that this site this proposal will produce more in Revenue than consumer services than the net of the IL now the change that's been made is that in an effort to protect the commercial development which is to the east they're going to move their East property line approximately 20 feet to the West for about 180 feet so we're talking about 3 800 or 3 900 square feet in a 68 acre tract of land it is our position that does protect the

commercial development and does not adversely impact this site and we would propose that the board approved the transmittal to the Department of Economic Opportunity and for review and any comments and I just I just say as a resume commissioner I've looked at this site and I think they've also agreed to go a few simple Townhomes as well they're going to plant they are the mpud includes a plat of the 231 Townhomes okay any questions for the staff um well I can address it thank you commissioner Starkey yeah is this the one that you told me this morning was going on 7-Eleven yes so why are we voting on it now what did I miss for transmittal to Deo so we can get their comments okay the adoption will be on 7-Eleven okay um just send me the comments come back favorably and in my meetings with them it was just important to me as they go through this process that that they have a connection to another road to the uh or a stub out to so that they can have a connection one day to the north I think is what they decided on but can't just only come out on State Road 52 that would just be a disaster for 52.00 for the mpud yeah that's just all the comments I would say so yeah the property the reduction of the plan Amendment yes will leave an IL strip or a Res three strip or a boat right now it looks like an IL strip okay I'm trying to pull that out any other questions for Steph that's the sorry thank you man what's that people are going to talk on this one do they have to be sworn in this public hearing uh they won't no no um this is a comprehensive plan Amendment so no they won't need to be sorted okay we don't have any no well we may have some public comment but let me just yeah no okay but this was advertising Mission thank you the aisle strip that's the 3900 yes feet all right good okay okay and the applicant thank you Barbara Wilhite 6327 Grand Boulevard Newport Richie for the applicant um yes our MPD plan has two stub outs to the north um what was the other question do I remember well that's for later that was okay yes so we did have the ability when we first made this application to do a build to rent or plotted Townhomes all the paperwork has been changed to plotted Townhomes um working on the conditions of approval with staff for the mpud and I can tell you standing here that they only say platted Townhomes so we heard the commentary loud and clear and made the changes to both their mpud conditions as

well as our MPD plan which you'll see on 7-Eleven how wide are the lots Barbara I do not have a recollection of exactly what the conditions say as far as the width of the lots for the MPD well we're just working on that with staff now yeah okay this is your comprehensive plan correct correct um Barbara will that leave a usable strip of Il or are you are you just we're just pulling back our boundary um that you you're basically you're leaving a buffer to the commercial yeah there's a commercial piece to our East they reached out and and said they didn't want our residential a budding so that may leave you with non-usable acreage but we wanted to take care of your neighbor you're not you're acknowledging that you know what you're doing basically in that matter okay thank you we're working with our neighbor and yes we understand okay thank you so this is a public hearing p-59 any one from the in the audience want to test uh speak anyone weather okay it's to the board they don't want residential second and roll call no this would be a this is transmittal so it's a thrill deal okay all in favor say aye aye any opposed unless you pass 4-0 uh p60 continue the 60 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times on March 1st and May 3rd 2023. chairman item p60 is the zoning Amendment in the name of Paul Palmer wind and PUD master plan unit development by Taylor Morrison of Florida Incorporated resorting requests from an AR agricultural residential district and AC agricultural District to an mpud Master planar development District to allow a maximum of 319 single-family detached units and approximately 116.75 Acres as of today we've received a request for a continuance on this item to the I believe June 20th Florida County Commissioners meeting here in New Port Richey at 1 30. the applicant is here to speak to the item okay and he wanted to continue it it wasn't advertised for continuance we're going to need to ask for public comment so yes if somebody is here that wishes to speak that cannot attend on June 20th um now would be their opportunity to speak otherwise if they speak they can't speak on the 20th so there's anyone here to speak okay there's no one on WebEx there close to the board to continue to move to continue to June Time 1 30. okay moves continue June 20 and all in favor say aye aye any opposed okay

now we're going to go back to our items which one so R53 discussion on the subject of single family detached lots that are between 40 and 50 feet wide and on the subject of standards for town homes chairman so um at a recent border County Commission or meetings essentially between January and March of this year there were a number of observations and comments made concerning the development of platted single family detached lots that are less than 60 feet wide and these were namely the 40s and 50s the lots that were 40 feet wide let's say and the lots that were 50 feet wide which we've been calling them the 40s and 50s um we've talked about and the board has talked about a number of issues pertaining to parking streets Green Space and lot trees and side yards and also the aterease and Border County Commissioners meeting there was a discussion on town homes and during that discussion there was a number of items speaking to similar um uh similar issues but particularly parking streets and green space and lotteries and so what I'm proposing for today is uh this an outline for the discussion for the board to expound upon some of the issues that they've identified in the past and so for the proposed 40 foot and 50 foot front load lot elements we might discuss I propose we discuss potential standards with industry stakeholders on the following items in this particular order so first discuss lot standards then discuss enhanced Landscaping requirements then right of way then driveways then parking and then discuss the exhibit at the end and then once the conversation on the 40s and 50s has been had we can move into the town homes discussion and there talk about a potential draft policy memorandum the aim of the discussion for today's meeting is to provide direction to the Planning and Development Department to articulate the BCC stance on the issue through the issuance of what would become two policy memos one on the 40s and 50s that would help direct the development of mpuds and then also the an update to the Land Development code and and likewise the same thing for for the issue of town homes so on the proposed 40 foot and 54 front load elements front load elements these would be the lot standards it's kind of hard for me to read it from here um yeah maybe a new prescription apparently apparently so the the proposed lot standards uh having met with the industry stakeholders and trying to understand what are the main issues with the 40s and the 50s well that was helpful if you zoomed in a little bit thank you yeah yeah absolutely thank you it was proposed that we think about a minimum lot width of about 45 feet and when there's an enhanced landscape

requirement that we might talk about a 42 foot wide lot as the appearance of these uh Lots lot types and the houses that go on them is of critical importance the minimum depth would remain at 100 feet in depth and the front setback would be 23 feet to the garage in order to accommodate typically larger vehicles the front setback would be 18 feet to building chassis which minimizes the garage dominance on this on the uh on the streetscape and then there would be an allowance to enable front porches to encroach up to seven feet within that front setback again and give it give it give that in order to give a chance for the building to come forward and not have streets be dominated by garages the secondary front setback say on the corner lot would be 15 feet and the rear yard setback would remain at 15 feet and the side yard setback would increase from the current five foot to a proposed seven and a half foot setback and there was discussion to allow a six foot side yard setback so one and a half feet less than the new default when there is enhanced landscape requirements put onto the proposed Lots and then also there's there was an allowance for the air conditioner pads on the side of homes with an offset to maintain so I can't read the rest of the sentence if you could zoom out drainage there you go sorry um so this would be the uh the lot standards uh discussion are that do you have any uh concerns or thoughts or ideas about not standards and I would also request or ask the chairman if he has any particular questions for the industry stakeholders that would yield my my space for them to answer okay any questions for staff commissioner Whiteman Scott industry or you Terry well I think it needs to be a uniform when we talked about it in our in our stakeholder meeting last week the side door setback has seven and a half feet or six foot with enhanced landscape landscape I think we just need to pick a number and that that's what it is because I could see us how we've been doing negotiating conditions and whatnot up here for project by project and I shared that concern with the with the folks when we met um so I'm I'm kind of set on the seven and a half feet as that's that's the standard and um you know that way in in deleting the six foot uh based on landscape is sues up put that out there for a discussion um Harry um do you have any visual depictions of what this looks like because that sure would

you know be helpful to see what this looks like compared to what we've been getting and is it is it really an improvement so sure we do have a visual rendering at the end yeah yeah we have a visual at the end of the visual preference surveys are my sure well we have a visual at the end um I can there it is I can go through all of the topics if you like um in one shot I was just trying to give you all a break to think about the the different technical aspects of what goes into a lot um but if you want I I would invite the industry to speak to the typical this is the typical for the town what are we looking at a four four town homes or something go back to the PowerPoint really quick there that's the one for the single family homes ignore the townhomes for the moment we'll get to that but uh do you have a view from the street street looking the top illustrates the this part here illustrates the cross section that's been discussed with the stakeholders and you can see when we get to the right-of-way slide we'll talk about uh how that right-of-way is divided and what what spaces we are creating but here on the on the bottom is where you can see oh thank you here on the bottom is where you can see how the lots are going to be influenced by the proposed standards that we that I just talked about here and one of the things that this is showing this is the 45 foot lot section and you can see that um by positioning driveways strategically along the street you aren't able to create some pretty decent green spaces between them as well as availability for potential on-street parking in between the driveways um in addition to that we also talked with the industry State called uh Terry hang on for a second yes there's a two foot Gap right before it's a 11 foot and then 11 foot and then two foot so how are you going to have on-street park on the two foot wide that that's the curb it's a mountable curb so you park to the side as much as possible you can turn the entire right up onto that yeah and you allows the car to get around these are residential local streets so you don't want it okay just give me a narrow yeah no I don't mind non-street parking I think that um you know I would do it on one side but I'm just curious what what does that house look like from visit you're not showing that picture is that a is that a hot are these 40 foot wide Lots here these would be 45 foot wide Lots yes so what does that house look like well I would let the industry stakeholders speak to the appearance of their structures we have Street

s my and we we worked with them into their credit they suggested and were eager to suggest the the front porch uh incentive to enable front porches to extend into that front setback area so that they could have the front porches be more visible from the uh Street and the garages yeah commissioner if you look at your pictures down below and you're looking is that a car in the road parked on the side that looks to be a pickup truck okay but it's it's about four times as big as a car over here in the driveway so if you put another car right beside the car that's there parked in the street you can't drive in between them well the fire truck or our emergency vehicle could not get in between them yeah well this isn't necessarily talking about the parking regulation per se but it would be parking honestly parking to one side of the street right but it also looks on those it looks like if you park say park that truck up against the house or to the garage you're going to be blocking your sidewalk in this picture been a concern of mine ever since I lived in a 50 foot wide subdivision yeah so in the cross section that's illustrating a 23-foot setback for the for the front setback that would basically take you from this line or this point at the end of the sidewalk to the edge of the house um they're showing that they could accommodate uh presumably the same pickup truck that's here on the street on the driveway itself so this is an expansion of the driveway is moving longer from the 20 feet that we currently require right okay you know you you're making a 40-foot lot bigger won't you just do away with 40s and go to the 50s and go that route I mean well that's a I would let the industry speak to that question okay specifically commission Whitman sure I think it's important commissioner Oakley if you look that's every bit of an F-250 that's a coincidence no but I got to measure that out close all right what's your school FSU USF uh should we hear from the industry yes okay and Industry folks [Music] father while they're coming up I'd like to say one thing uh some Del Webb product that I've seen and I'm going out and seeing next week yeah me too they were um when you do these 40s and 50 foot Lots with older 55 and older subdivisions the pictures I saw with the parking y'all because you're dealing with uh one person household one-car household things of that nature it clears up this issue it kind of if you do that 55 and older community they work and their webs has good good product out there that I think works but it's a separate product than the one we're looking at you know other than that with that particular product works yeah and I was out of that taxi property

too and it really they did a really nice job with it so and I think when you look at the adult adult community over 55 it's it can work a lot better yeah it does yeah okay Mr Briggs Mr chair Commissioners good to see you all again Edward Briggs with representative tempeh Builders Association just wanted to say we appreciate the opportunity to have worked with you all but also with staff on this and what we have before you we know these have been a kind of a Hot Topic over to over the past several months and something that you guys have been looking at so with me today just to let you all know from the industry I do have Brian Bullock BP of homes by West Bay and the president of Tampa Association as well as Martin frame with David Weekley who is the incoming chair for the Tampa Bay Builders Association and then Trent Stevenson with level up Consulting who is the Tampa Bay Builder Association Pasco government Affairs chair and so really what I'd like to do today is these guys put everything together but really turn it over to Martin and really Trent to kind of walk you through the 40s and 50s and the town homes as well as the elevations that you see before you and also to address commissioner starkey's comments we can definitely put some elevations together and give you that front look so and I do have extra copies here Mr chair if you all want them as well a motion to receive a file move to receive and file thanks thank you very much for the time today Martin frame with David Weekley Homes uh incoming president for tbpa coming in next year we worked very hard over the last couple weeks to put together all these different standards we put together both townhome and 40 and 50 foot Lots standards we brought together pretty much every Builder that's a sizeable builder in the Pasco County area to put comments into this and so this memo is a joint memo between a lot of different builders that are part of our organization I think we've got a lot of pieces in here that are important that work together so I want to go through this completely if I could so that you can see some of the inner relationships between them because I think that's important some of the questions that you guys were asking were looking at other sections which I think are addressed so if we could start with proposed standards the lot standards where Terry was before so Terry went through this pretty thoroughly so I won't go on too much here the idea behind trying to get the 42 foot lot versus the 45 and having an incentive to do that 42-foot lot we would be able to save um have a little bit more density in our projects you're probably talking fifteen thousand dollars of cost that would be added for each additional lot by expanding this out to a 45-foot lot versus the current 40 foot Lots today that cost goes right to the consumer so there's an affordability aspect to this presentation as well that I don't want to lose

so with the 42 foot lot is what we're trying to do with the enhanced Landscaping package which is the next section if you could go to that real quickly we're trying to give a very attractive Street appearance and create a nice streetscape which I think is a lot of the issues that the board has had over the past couple of years with some of these communities have been built a lot of the examples that I've seen have got sparse trees sparse Landscaping a lot of parking in the town homes where you all you see is concrete and cars so it's what we did here is we created some standards that were over and above where we are today by creating more shade trees and we want to make sure that we are looking at shade trees here we're not looking at some of the ornamentals which could be smaller and less impactful and we're also looking at some incentives for Builders to bring in some more building Forward Design so even on a 40-foot lot you could build a home where you've got some of the home that's in front of the garage there's a couple we've reached out to the various board members I'm hoping to do a tour with each one of you through a couple projects one of them at Wiregrass one of them Bexley and I want to show you some of the things that we've been able to do with the Wiregrass folks on a 40-foot lot and I think that you'll find it pretty attractive both with the Landscaping packages but also the building design itself and that you can get a home on a 40-foot lot that's attractive feels good um and some of that is that building being out in front of the garage so you're not driving down the street purely seeing garages which I know is probably an unattractive feature that um has got some of you guys against some of these lot sizes that we're talking about so within this building standard or the enhanced Landscaping standards we have additional Street trees there's a couple pieces when you get down here into the right-of-way section that allows more Street trees to be planted and that's a seven foot strip of grass between the backup curb and the sidewalk with seven feet you've got more room to be able to put a tree in there and have it be a livable scenario where that tree is going to survive and also in the front yards we're working with staff to try to figure out a way to get the easements needed for utilities smaller so that we could have trees in the front yards and in the sidewalk strip of grass for homes that would be able to provide a better landscape packet from the tree standpoint and if you look down a little bit further you see a landscape bed minimum so another feature that I think will go a long way in creating this nice streetscape is the landscape beds and that's going to be your your plant material that's going to be smaller shrubs and things like that but having a minimum amount of those beds throughout this each lot you're going to get a more attractive appearance and it's going to feel better as you're

driving down the street if I could it's a quick question as far as the trees go sure when I look at the trees in the yard you can put a bigger Tree in there and not have a problem but we had even had a gentleman this morning sometimes you put a different type of tree like a Ballantrae where they put these big Oaks I guess and they grow up and all of a sudden they're tearing up the sidewalks that's right so I don't know you you segregate what kind of tree is going to go in that Medium you do yeah so there's certain species that are more appropriate like Maples that aren't going to have their root systems that are obstructive and destroying the sidewalks and some municipalities were actually Banning oak trees from being in that strip for that exact reason so there are some trees that could go in there they're still type of trees and the maples and things like that actually grow pretty quickly too and they'll be designated before we set this up I'm curious do you live in Old Northeast or Hyde Park or St Petersburg South Tampa and historic neighborhood are there oak trees they're all around your sidewalks and they're destroying all the sidewalks and they're dying and yeah but would you rather have your oak trees or just step up a little on your sidewalk I just well this has given you more room too and I will not pretend like I'm the landscape architect uh Prince got a great landscape architect in his shop they could help speak to the better species and what species are appropriate for the right places and that's what we want to do with staff is to work through that type of landscape list to make sure they're putting the right trees in the right places because it is important okay thank you I'm just saying the highest deal with it um so those pieces I think are all interrelated it's the right of way it's the Landscaping it's the lot standards all of those things that we've tried to do here is to create a better streetscape and a better appearance for our neighborhoods and to preserve the 40 and 50 foot lots and a little bit different capacity so it's not going to be 40s and 50s anymore it may be 42s and 52s hopefully um and um just going through here some other things that were mentioned as far as the right-of-way staggering the driveways um so that there would be more space more green space to allow for better trees uh and those trees would have a better root system so you could actually plant some oak trees in some of these front yards where you had the right space and the 23-foot driveway another important aspect that's going to help with parking of the larger trucks so you could fit the larger trucks without them over hanging into the sidewalk that also has the benefit of giving you more green space as well because now you have a 23 foot setback in many of the homes to plant more trees more beds so all those different pieces go together if you have any specific questions about the

right-of-way sections of some of the engineering defense here to help with that but I'll go in and wrap it up well did you have any pictures of elevations so we the process over the last two weeks to finish this memo uh was uh we I probably personally spent 20 25 hours and we probably have more than 200 hours of different people getting into this to have their different input because we wanted to have a consensus among all the builders so that something actionable across the industry um I didn't have time to get all to the pictures put together because we were finalizing some of these details I'd love to be able to tour each one of you through some of these projects so I could show you real life examples in person of what a good 50 and 45 foot lot feel like with the Landscaping with the trees and with setbacks with front loaded front loaded just tell me neighborhood I'll drop a pin and Wire Grass persimmon Park what was it called persimmon Park persimmon Park okay I'm a little bit biased we all build nice house so what's our what's our side yard setbacks currently five feet or so you're saying it's 15 grand additional home to go from a 40 to a fix from a six foot side George set back to a seven no from a four from a 40 to a 45. you end up losing about 10 to 15 percent of the Lots in a community depending on the configuration of the community so so I see rear loaded I'm looking aren't I looking at rear loaded there are some reloaded in that Community but there are some streets that are pure front loaded as well so did you have problems selling the rear loaded ones um not in this market just saying they are more expensive to build though I know they are we're trying to make them cheaper trying to get some some consent because there's two there's two options if there's a seven and a half foot and a six foot and this board's known for really having great Dialogue on projects and so when there's wiggle room in there it can make for a long day so I'm trying to get consensus here on is are we good with the seven and a halfs with the option four six or do we want to go with a with a seven and a half side yard setback that is the standard and basically try you know cut out potential back and forth on that option so I'm flexible to it I know I've heard tightness of it is difficult with some of the air conditioners putting them in there that's why they're trying to keep them shorter so I can move them in the back don't know if it's a good idea some have

done so are you thinking that larger side yard setbacks I'm leaning that way come it's real quick of the larger setback be be good give you a little more room in between houses especially if you're going to move an AC unit on the side with the five you have no room so it's um that would be a better thing of interest to me also is the fact how wide your robe going to be your interior Road 11. 22 feet wow did you pull up the uh online yeah on the cross section um that one yeah the top one correct um so we're proposing 11 foot Drive Lanes with a two foot Miami curb so you'll have 26 feet of drivable surface so and we are proposing that parking would be on one side um and so with that you would have if they used the curb on one side you would have roughly you know 17 18 feet to drive a vehicle through so I understand that parking on both sides is not is off the table we've been targeted on both sides right we were limited one but limited to one side you would still have the ability to so that's where I was at they would park on both sides and you had to drive down the center the two lanes to actually get in and out of the the houses that were in there and if you had a fire truck or an emergency an ambulance coming through there's no room for them to get agreed so you can't park but on one side but it will be designated which side or people are going to pick their sign well I think it would have to be designated I mean like you know there's got to be some kind of control there's got to be either a HOA or or some kind of management there that tells them when they sign in they they can only park that's correct and the haa would be responsible for that right and that was and again if you could slide up to see where the driveways are okay go ahead Commissioners Clarke commissioner Oakley to address your concern the last couple of mpuds that I've done we had worked some language out with David to have the HOA control the parking only on one side interestingly the board should know that the general consensus uh in the development business is that our policy historically has been to prohibit all on-street parking I don't find that it's actually codified in the code and we looked a lot for it the other day but I think there were some policy decisions years ago and so most of our communities weren't built around the concept of doing parking calcs with on-street parking but in any event we have the standard language to work with it and just Trent's going to get into this a little bit more but I just want you to know the 20-foot driveway was done specifically to address your concern about the overhang of the

vehicles we try to get it long enough so that you can get the full vehicle up there but it's not so long that people try to park a second one then and then you're covering it with a second vehicle then you have the issue of fact if if you park on one side that's okay but people have guests where do they park because there's not going to be enough room for well two or three is there going to be extra parking somewhere in that development sure and I think one of the reasons why we strategically showed our driveways the way they are a lot of in most in most communities you don't dictate the driveway the swing the the the the usually the buyer selects which side they want we would dictate it so you would create a larger area so if you can see the two driveways on the uh the bottom those are closer together so you've got about 15 16 feet between the driveways as opposed to the next set of driveways you have like I think it's 39 feet in between so you have ample space to park a 350 if you wanted to and not encroach into anyone's driveway so that's that's where we would try and exp have the guest spaces um Mr Starkey I I took some pictures I didn't find a lot of the front loaded persimmon Parks yet um the first one I sent Eugena commissioner Oakley I think it's your neighborhood I drove through there after the last your former new neighborhood um it's the one with the houses on both sides how wide were those lots okay this one well um do you have that one Gina the first one I sent you yeah no no that's the last one I sent you nope nope we're working our way backwards well you know we can talk about each one that comes up so I think this is one of the front loaded 40 foots is that right oh I'm in the alley okay okay that's we're loaded um okay let's throw up another picture this is rear loaded that's a nice looking Street um we have parking spaces in front of the houses in front of the house and in the back um what's another picture okay you put a orange Berry Drive it's just that um that it may not have populated on Google Earth orange Berry barriers where the uh that looks like my old development well that's showing up in Ohio while you are looking for pictures can I just say something real quick real quick little Heights 63 27 just one thing real quick as you're looking at pictures just one perspective regarding the side yard setback and trying to figure out is it five is it seven and a half is it six I heard about this forever and ever five seven and a half six so I went to I owned a home in Trinity I

represented Trinity I went to the Trinity Community standards I never heard of six before by the way until these folks explained it to me but I looked at their standards from 1987 they're actually like typewritten and the standards never changed from 1987 to the full build out of Trinity guess what their side door setback was minimum six feet so what I just ask is that committee was successful I lived in and I owned a home and a lot of people built in front of me um give them a chance to get some renderings before you decide the five versus seven versus six because that surprised me but I was like what were their standards there yeah good in 1987 and they developed a whole project pursue into it successful project we should maybe look at that so I want to throw in there while you were looking and I didn't want to interrupt the flow but I wanted to give you that perspective thank you so this is um commissioner Oakley's forming former neighbors the states of forecast and as just the Landscaping packages that we allow the only problem with that picture is you don't see anybody parked in the road an airplane yeah because that was the time of day so so this is not about the parking picture but commissioner when I went through there I could not believe the five dollar Landscaping packages that everybody had and if you look it's the one same bush I mean it's it the so we need to have some kind of no good landscaping and this is this is what happens when you have the lowest setting the floor that you know so we have to regulate to the low sadly because we have people doing this and a a county full of that is a county full of not not what we want not what we're trying to build so big you know so we're going to have to maybe say well I once said to Clark a percentage of the house price and he freaked out so so uh someone else said maybe it's a percentage of lot coverage that has to be landscaped but that's that's abysmal right there well it shouldn't be allowed that's right that's what the um text gets at so if you look at a 40-foot lot the minimum bed area would be 100 square feet so that would be plantings within the bed area in addition to the two two trees that would be in front of that house but I I'm just on record that I just cannot support a 40-foot front load I will support a 40-foot backload rear loaded only that's just me but a Street full a 40-foot front loaded even if you have a tree is is it even a single car garage and a tree I just yeah I so for me the incentive is if you want to build 40 foots you can do it but rear loaded and I think they do so because you sold them in persimmon because most of the streets there I'm looking are are rear loaded v-o-p-h they've shown us the they they showed us a product that was

40 foot front loaded they have come back and shown that same product rear loaded and that's the way it's going to be it's not going to be front loaded commissioner Starkey did you look at the um I think it was the Del Webb project for the seniors up in Bexley those no I haven't seen that yet but someone's giving me a tour okay I'm taking one next week yeah that's right I think as we go further if you if you look at that they they actually have them regular loaded front loaded and they had the parking on the street as well as on the side in the regular front of the house more like these in the way they did the architectural it actually looked good is that Taylor again or regular development isn't that what's in a multi-delweb what Dell Webb which is polti oh it's polti okay I don't know what they are they bought Del Webb back in there yeah so I I don't I'm trying to think where Paul it's a nice products yeah I just haven't seen them respond to one of the comments commissioner Mariana two things number one just so you know the memo you adopted a year ago prohibits that streetscape already that was the whole thing brand new uh which Community I thought this was commissioner Oakley's the states yeah they're still building in there yeah it was approved like five years ago it's about a year so we could not know that it was for any mpud from a year ago could not build that because we're requiring two front trees one of which has to be in the lot and the other one can be in the streets that's not even allowed and secondly I just wanted to point out to you what I think the Builders Association is saying is we're not even proposing that we keep 40s we're going either to a seven and a half side uh setback or six with an incentive so you're going to either a 45 foot lot or a 42 so you're increasing the width and we're pushing the driveway out longer and we're proposing more Landscaping so we we understand the issues you're raising um very clearly I it's not a 40-foot lot I mean that's the point I'm trying to make it's not a 40-foot lot well these are all 50s on these right without anything they can't be built today right they can yeah yeah and I think Clark's point on on these I don't put words in your mouth but the the changes that were made a year ago have yet to even come out of the ground so this is you you pull this lever and you've got 18 months probably my only issue with this one my only issue with this one because it's not showing the parking issues but I I've seen them all around is the percentage of Landscaping on the lot that's all I I know he's had other issues but it's not shown here in that in that photo that's we can't do this anymore anyway yeah but um as far as the um well I don't I don't that's how I think we should be doing 40s and I would be for the seven and a half foot I'd like to study this a little more than give an answer today

because when you talk about the different size lights we need we need to pay a little attention to that and not make a quick decision but yeah I agree I'm not willing to make a decision yeah today I want to go see that's probably the biggest thing we asked for is this was done in a very quick time frame and I'd like to take this work with it can you put the other pictures not only with you but also with staff yeah to create a better plan a more refined plan to show you some of the things in the field of what this stuff looks like so that we could all make a very complete good decision that's well thought out and and well discussed because I think there are a lot of pieces here that we could explain in the field in person a little bit better than I can sitting up here so the product we've gotten in the first first last few years of us wanting 40 or 50 foot Lots it's not been very desirable completely that's what's developed our idea we don't want any more of that no completely completely understand if we can tune that to be something very nice and that's a different story so that could be all I said I'd be happy to take those tours with you if you want to set something up with my assistant for everything's happen pretty well there and I've got something with cart with that and now is who's is this your product too this no that looks like Astoria no I think I dropped a pin there in Wiregrass uh that's going to be linars wow see soccer yeah with the right with the right standards this is the perfect example though everybody can build good housing I agree and it's we're loaded with all garages across the front but it's nice and it's going to age well that's my point and the porters drove that so this is being regulated by the by the master the master development and is what I'm taking here is a lot of Master developer ideas that I deal with day in and day out and building in Bexley Astoria persimmon Park uh Wiregrass yeah we're not getting neighborhoods like that anymore but starkey's got beautiful 40-foot Lots done yes they're rear loaded front loaded too there are no West Bay's built them now I now I get that in a development um not every lot can be rear loaded because when you get along the edges you can't reload those and I'm okay with that and there's like everybody else gotta be reloaded there's a lot of additional costs too I worked with Terry a little bit to look at some examples in persimmon park where you saw that rear loaded product that reloaded home same square footage cost about sixteen thousand dollars more for me to build so how many 60 to 7 6 brought us lots have you brought us in the last 60 foot yeah I'm building right now in Chapel Crossing 60-foot Lots like how how many

how many lots I'm just saying all we see appears 40s really yeah I mean you're not sitting where we are and that's really what we're seeing every every day day after day is 40s and it's concerning also built 60s in Astoria so we've built them a lot I'm trying to get Scott to sell me new that's 60. I'll put you on the spot I know what's new that's coming that's 60. no there's a lot of them um I think the issue has been though that you guys have been focusing on the 40s and 50s there are plenty of 60s that get built um we're building a lot of them ourselves that's what we that that's literally all we see right guys have you seen any 60s uh gosh sir yes I'm Brian Bullock I'm with homes by West Bay and so our bread and butter is 60 foot and 70 foot lot product um and you know we were very successful in Bexley as well as Starkey Ranch doing that the issue we've had recently is just we've sold out uh yeah in Pasco County so we uh we ended up having to move South but we're coming back strong so I think we're going to break ground later this year in Two Rivers which is uh State Route 56 and 301. no no we know where it is right yeah we've got a huge area there is that on the Hillsboro side or the basket one and I look forward to bigger Lots nice not a lot right absolutely and then in the Villages of Pasadena area there's several Parcels there that we have under contract unfortunately there were just a little bit further out so we're I think total in villages of Pasadena you know we have about 2500 lots and a lot of those are going to be 60s and 70s because that's really what our Core Business is now aren't you going to be I think you're going to be in Angeline uh we'd hope to yes we're we're trying you know we want to be there well we we have only 40 The Moffat all those doctors and researchers in fact there is a lot of residents are moving here from out of state and other places right you know you always think well they want smaller or get more people in and more people want smaller lots and save this but people are really wanting a larger lot and a nice home so 60s and better I'm I'm four so I agree I believe that's the the dream I will say though that our 40-foot Lots in in in Bexley and Starkey those were selling at 500 to probably 650. in terms of our price points we were able to get a premium for them because they were nice uh so I think that's that's what it is that's the keys right correct correct so you can do 40-foot product very well and it's going to appeal to people now the difference between rear load and and front load is is families want a yard for their kids to plant so I agree I think from a from a street standpoint I think you can make both a front load or a rear load of Home attractive and it's not just the Landscaping it's it's the architectural detail that you put on the front of a home we can't regulate anymore understood but I think the you know what our price points are getting to the

point where people are going to be forced to deliver a better product because no one's going to pay six hundred thousand dollars for a home that's just not you know that's not worth it I want to make sure you guys know that what was that bill 17 1604 1604 we can't regulate architectural detail anymore yeah but it's on 40 and Pitch foot locks on any on any house on any house so I'm well you better be a good Builder because if you're not I don't want you well imagine 40s with no architectural details that's why that's another reason why I I'm I told them if that bill passed I would be against 40s front loaded I thought that was already only going to be on 40 in Pittsburgh a lot and that passed I said well I don't know it's okay so it takes effect July 1 but it doesn't stop a developer from voluntarily a green they could on their own impose architectural requirements and just like they're doing with the prohibition on multi-family and Industrial they could impose a condition on themselves to impose architectural requirements and I think Clark and I are working on a couple right now where they where they're in fact doing that because they're aware of their preemption yeah so they can offer up the ability to do that but they don't have to they don't have to but we have up here and it's rear loaded are those 40s or 50s how wide are they um [Music] okay so when you build a product like that um would you ever build them a lot a lot wider and what do you mean well as far as a town home but let's say you're trying to like maximize your return and you want to build 40s but let's say having trouble doing that and you get setback issues isn't that a good product to put out as well or we are trying to build more townhouse place where middle income Americans in the Bible and commissioner I was just going to say a couple of things and then if it meets with the board's approval we've got a fair amount of input from you all on 40s and 50s today but based on uh commissioner Weightman trying to bring the town home issues to a head we all literally dropped everything last Wednesday and have worked on nothing but townhouse changes for you for today so I was hoping we could spend a little bit of time going over those we know we need to bring these 40s and 50s back to you all and we're happy to have any further comment on it no I'm not going to the town halls but I want to say one thing before we leave the 40s and 50s yes sir we need to build a product that's affordable for our citizens well we're trying our own Workforce we probably have 20.5 percent of our Workforce for the county that needs

affordable and we probably it it gets bigger than that it gets in the 40 range for the whole County itself so for affordable product three hundred thousand dollar homes not affordable well so the number one way traditionally that the industry solved that issue is with townhouses and multi-family and the townhouses needed to step up their game but front loaded townhouses are significantly more affordable which is why we're trying to find a Middle Road to say you've got to step up your game you got to have better greens great greens-based Landscaping architecture and we've got new renderings even from Lennar that if I had them with me today I think you all would see that they've really stepped up their architectural game but um again you can't you have to have some front loaded products to become affordable those smaller lot sizes and the the townhouses Mr Stark you understand so you know there's affordable housing and there's Workforce housing and they're not necessarily the same thing because really Workforce housing comes with federal grants and tax abatements and incentives and and um you know wage restrictions affordable it has those we know what you meant Workforce is traditionally police fire teachers okay we knew what you meant yeah so um I mean a starting a starting teacher is going to be able to afford any of these sadly and we're working we're working on um projects and um I there is there are some creative way you guys remember when we had dris and I think 10 of a dri had to have a Workforce housing or what what's the right term affordable housing component right um and that that went away and I know there's there are counties that are started putting some of that back into some of their rules Palm Beach County for example let's put it back in and others have two that if you build x amount of houses a certain percentage has to be um work affordable I'm very used to saying Workforce housing that's what we say in my my committee at Naco um and I've talked with Marcy Marcy so our community development has a lot of money to help with those kind that kind of Housing and would love to work with you guys if you would in any one of your neighborhoods consider um putting a couple of your houses into a pot that could qualify for affordable housing we're here and ready to pitch in and um I had mentioned that to kartik and I just haven't followed up with him yet but he was very interested in hearing that so we can work with you to buy down the cost of of some homes in your neighborhood in all these neighborhoods and get at least a couple of them affordable probably one of the best ways for smaller lot sizes okay that's that's where that's where you find the affordability well you

could have a couple but not all like two that's a couple um I did I did ask Mr carbala to do some research and I don't know if you were able to what is the price of a of a house that adds to the general fund and doesn't take from the general fund yeah budget still having to run some calculations on that that we don't we don't have that number yet but I was if I could contribute to this a little bit you're the affordable issue is is far-reaching yeah you know density obviously helps and and where you place that density is probably another another thing that we can look at as we do our comp plan and when we're looking through things we are exploring other other items linkage fees other other types of tools in the toolbox that that we can do to help promote affordability amongst all all classes so just know that we're working on that I think for the sake of this discussion you know we're we're they kind of intersect a little bit but I think it's it's probably a separate topic altogether for another discussion with we don't have the right people here but just wanted to throw that out there to you the reality the reality is the biggest a lot the more expensive it is rare a little different the more expensive it's going to be so you want a better product or you want a cheaper product do you want the whole the county filled up with front loaded 40s because that's all we'll see now they're doing a few thank goodness they'll probably kill it with those um but you know what percentage of the county should be 40 foot front loaded well I'd be I'd be curious how many 40-foot front loaded have we approved that we don't see yet Terry can you get can someone get a number no you can't figure that out yeah it would be big math you'd need like a Mainframe computer Terry magician we could probably find examples of it but to get you a full quantity I mean the county is the big place yeah it would be you know it's too bad we don't have a way to track that kind of stuff I reticent to say this but but David can confirm or denying I mean I would tell you that almost every if there was a time period in the county where DRC this is going back a long time ago I say that we did not allow 40 foot Lots at all and I want to say that was Clark you remember when that year that was that stopped so I would say almost every mpud since that stopped until today until with about a year ago allowed 40-foot Lots so but where I was going to go was those mpuds don't say they're going to be 350 40-foot Lots 50 foot lot or they don't do they call them out as as how many of each it's a it's a default at the bottom it just says the minimum lot size is 40 feet it's just it's not going to tell you how many actually got built at 40 right that

minimum lot size that's the math problem is you'd have to go back and look at how they were actually platted out you probably have to go to each Platinum physical the kids but what's built this build at this point right now they're approved but they're not built yet well if they're approved you can't change it anyway I know it's just you don't know the number of the thousands that we've approved we have a lot of I mean they're already approved right and not built yet Mr chairman yeah yeah very very cool it would take we could bring we could bring examples back um but to help answer the question a little bit last year the board did work on the policy memorandum to address the quantity of 40s that were being seen and established within the mpuds conditions of approval that uh put in place a 50 threshold if I'm not mistaken on the number of 40-foot lots that would be allowed to be front loaded and then after that uh the remainder had to be reloaded but nobody took it yet no yeah not none of them puds that have come in there there was one that I've seen it might have been Barbara's client well it's either Clarks or Barbara's client um that did come in with a mixture of 40s 50s and a few 60s commissioner I haven't seen these in reality just because you're seeing a minimum 40 foot lot width in an mpud does not mean how that's how we build the communities almost all of the communities that have approved 40-foot Lots if they're more than say 80 or 100 lots have a division of lots and quite frequently we have 60 foot Lots we have mostly 50 foot lots and some 40s we differentiate within each Community you're just not seeing it again you approved the memo last year it takes a year to get a site plan in and approved here and we're then we're out doing Mass grading now on the ones that just got approved a year ago so you haven't seen it but we don't we're not going out building all 40 foot no I'm not saying building I'm saying coming through asking for approval yeah but they all have only seen once last year all of them have the standard language that David and I worked out with you all that says you can't exceed the 50 lot cap maybe maybe this will help so do you remember when Twin Rivers was approved when which one Twin Rivers the that MPD Twin Rivers Two Rivers sorry okay two rivers was approved I want to say about 18 months ago okay it I think I think it predated the memo just barely but regardless it allowed 40 foot as a minimum lot size and they're going to be literally thousands and thousands of 50s 60s and maybe even 70s and even though that was my point was and those plots are just starting to come through that's the that's just the same frame right time frame that you're looking right so I'm sorry this whole thing takes a big delay one of the things and you're going to hear this from these guys when we start the townhouse issue is that one in my

estimation I think Barbara shares my opinion on this the side foot side yard setback is a really big deal because that relates to the distance between the units and several of you all over time have told us that you just thought some of the houses were too close and they were operational issues with air conditioners swales and other things like that and I think you're right and I think you're cut and just a whole bunch of things so I think we're close to figuring that out but what we believe you really want to see is a lot better Landscaping than you were seeing and the one that commissioner Oakley showed from five years ago and so that's what one of the areas of focus we're trying to get maybe even to the into the code now if we can all agreed on the Landscaping on townhouses for instance we're going to put it in the code so it won't just be any new mpud it's going to be anybody that doesn't have construction plan approval so you will immediately start to see those coming in much quicker so you know that's part of the presentation these guys want to get to on townhouses and but some of the same processes whatever we agreed to on Landscaping we may if we can all get everybody on the same page we may be able to put it directly in the code all right so we're going to look at the 40s and 50s hopefully you'll set up tools for us all and then but let's get this done homes go ahead that sounds good too so it'll be this a similar discussion uh and at least in terms of the format we'll talk about townhouse lot considerations on some of the technical aspects of that and then move into the right-of-way discussion as well as how the units form up on the street and then we'll talk about the landscaping and at the end of this we'll actually talk about architectural features that would be on Townhomes as well um so in terms of the tunnel slot consideration um there's been a lot of discussion both for front loaded and rear loaded townhouse products over the last couple of months what's before the board for today at least is a discussion for front loaded townhouse units only the one reason for that is because the Planning Development Department has already has has a study already underway looking at what revisions we need to make to our ordinances as it relates to traditional neighborhood design which is where our ordinance considers the townhouse rear loaded product so that's underway hopefully later this year we'll have something to to show to the board regarding that and so for now we'll focus on the front loaded and what the impact is to the street because a lot of times when we've seen the pictures you just have driveways hitting the streets and it looks like a large concrete Mass out in front of these buildings with little landscape areas

so um while they get that up so these are the following standards that have been discussed with stakeholders front loaded townhome products um would be planted and would have driveway with individual those that have individual driveways to accommodate parking for each tunnel unit would be planted the front loaded townhome buildings would be limited to the eight units per building this was a ratio that was discussed last year as part of that memo that we talked about a few minutes ago that was included in there in addition the setback has also increased the front loaded the front setback is also increased for the town home product to 23 feet for similar reasons that we just talked about with the 40s and 50s um and also the driveway with uh we would consider a maximum of making it two feet wider in total than the garage door width on the townhouse product and this would uh enable cars to actually open their their doors better than what's been currently uh constructed so those would be the the considerations on a per unit for a townhouse building so in terms of the ride Subway for townhouses um we're using the same right-of-way considerations as we talked about in the 40s and 50s discussion with a 50-foot right-of-way 22 feet of pavement that would be 11 foot Drive Lanes in two directions a five foot sidewalk a seven foot of sod or I call it Parkways basically the space between the the sidewalk and the curbs and then a two foot mountable curb and again you can see it in the cross-section here how that all splits up with the 22 feet of Lanes the two foot of curb the seven foot of Green Space Between the curb and the sidewalk and then the five foot of sidewalk and likewise in the previous discussion you heard a little bit about some adjusting or some incentives for the different easements that exist a similar consideration being made for this product type to allow for additional room for Trees and Landscaping utility easements will be allowed Underside walks such that five feet of utility easement is under the sidewalk and five feet is on the lot and what we've talked about previously and it was mentioned at the last board meeting during the I believe it was the hand car 20 discussions trying to figure out ways to put um other utility infrastructure under streets or sidewalks and townhome developments and so we've we've outlined that in the proposed standards here we can come back to the cross-section and have the industry sort of walk you

through that I just want to really quick get to the Landscaping piece of it similar to how it was discussed in the 40s and 50s discussion the following table shows you a minimum of landscape bed or area that would be required for the front loaded units also to try to break up the the amount of pavement that exists between the building and the street as the driveways reach for the street so in a two unit townhome building you would have a minimum Green Space of 650 square feet with two minimum shade trees that amounts to 15 percent minimum landscape beds of green space and then you can work your way down the table in a three unit building 800 square feet in a four unit 900 in the five unit 1050 and so on until you get to eight units which maxes out or tops out at 1500 square feet of green space and the number of trees increase with the number of units that are proposed on a per building basis all of that amounts to approximately 15 percent of the area would be green space we stopped tens and twelves oh gosh last year last March 2022. um surgery ratios are listed here at the bottom of the table any law or trees required by the table above will be shade tree or palm tree and it has that ratio of Three Palms to every one shade tree um and you can't substitute with understory ornamentals um driveway flares we resolved last year in March of 2022 driver flares are not required for town homes in order to encourage the landscape areas and to reduce that overall pavement appearance that occurs and then finally I'll just quickly run through the architectural features so townhouses it was discussed with the industry stakeholders that townhouses are slightly different creatures than single-family homes where we talked about the appearance of single-family detached homes there's a market for the uniqueness uh and curb appeal that buyers are looking at the market for tunnels are a little different they can explain it better than I can but essentially people are looking for identity and Community characteristics in their Town Home Development more so than an individual unique appearance on a per unit basis that's unlike the single-family detached neighborhoods nevertheless in the single-family detached neighborhoods we give a list of things that you can do to help articulate a unique appearance on buildings uh on a per unit basis here the industry came together and discussed what three different architectural features could be accommodated on townhouse developments and so they gave us 12 um different types of architectural features that can be varied from development to development in order to establish a an identity or character to

the tunnels town home development that is attractive to the marketplace but you're going over this but we can't regulate anymore right well you can regulate these three units or more okay yeah but you can't regulate the two unit version perfect so no more two unit versions that's simple yeah I agree so um so they talk about there's discussion on roof Styles hip Gable Boston hip so on and so forth arrangement of window openings which that in and of itself definitely makes a building look different from another window grids sighting types um accents on The Gables different stucco treatments that might show variations Hardie board banding that could have shutters and brackets stucco cornices Windows Doors garage doors decorative coach lights and and building Forward Design again making an incentive to help bring portions of the of the livable building will say closer to the street and make the garages appear receded or behind the porches it's pretty good is that what is that what we said before I thought it was five is that there's five on a house well typically the Builder is going to put more than that um but we we had the Threshold at at least three things to make things different so do you mind no good so when you say number one roof styles are you saying I mean a roof I don't know why we're calling that out unless unless you're saying it has to go from a hip to a Gable or because they're either going to have a hip or a Gable or a Boston hip I mean so why is that even a style because the or else it'd be flat which happens in modern Town Homes but I don't think the root unless you're saying the roof Styles have to vary we should take that one out that shouldn't count as one yeah like I mean we could let the industry speak that's like a free beat on what the yeah and what the elements are but again it may sound like a freebie but I think well what's the alternative I was going to let the industry speak to that because they're more familiar with it than I would be um but it's important to point out even the obvious uh because these are nevertheless part of the building so yeah but that's like saying you have a door don't have door you're gonna have to have a door uh don't have the examples just to be a name for the club Martin frame again with David Weekley Homes worked on this document Ad nauseam over the last 10 days or so um this is probably one of the most difficult pieces of this document of the architectural because every Builder does things quite differently um and Architectural styles are very much subjective measures some things people think are beautiful and some people hate certain Styles

the roof Styles there are some varieties in there that allow you to get some interest in the buildings where you transition like you said commissioner Starkey where you transition from one style to the next within the same building it breaks up the building so it looks like individual units as opposed to one monotone building so I've got some examples I don't have in my hand right now but the project that we did just two weeks ago that we got approved in incest District um had that it had some Gables along with some hip roofs and those two things to Together made the building more interesting Martin let me see a question though we're going to try to like are you trying to go to town homes because they're more affordable et cetera one of the big expenses we have with the houses are the insurance rates yes so do you get a different price from a gable roof compared to a hip roof when you're doing an insurance I'm definitely not qualified to answer that hip yes hip is the least likely to take off in a hurricane so they have the best right ratings and I think the building standards a new building today is going to be your biggest factor in insurance rates a new building date today with new building code um is going to get you the lowest rates versus if you would is we're going to be looking at this for a little bit of time take a look at those insurance rates so I think you'll might find that the hip is definitely a huge huge savings no but we don't want to Only Have Hips just throwing it up there if you don't mind um I'll do a quick overview a lot of the concept here is the same as what we saw in the 40s and 50s it's look and feel and trying to get more attractive buildings A lot of the same methods um the Landscaping the trees the right-of-way section here is the same seven feet in front of the between the sidewalk and the curb to allow for more trees moving the driveways apart where you do have the room to do so to plant more trees the minimum Green Space provides you with the room to plant those trees also we measured a lot of projects around the area that we felt worked and we've measured some projects which have been specifically objected to with pictures up here we targeted the numbers that are in here to try to avoid some of the things that have been characterized as not good looking or aesthetically displeasing one of the main things within that is driveway widths not being allowed to be any wider than two feet than the garage door that's going to create more green space and it's going to allow the building itself to be a little bit more attract active so you're not looking at all pavement as you're driving down some of these roads in addition to the right-of-way section with that seven feet of Green Space also going to create more green space so

you're not looking at pavement as you drive down the road where you've got a section that's got right away next to a curb that continues right into the driveway and so you've got all that concrete from those three different pieces all put together that looks like it's just one sea of concrete and what we're doing here is to try to avoid that please uh just to point out the that driveway width control piece would mean and correct me if I'm wrong but it would mean uh a one-car driveway for a one-car garage and a two-car driveway for a two-car garage correct and uh yeah commissioner Starkey you had some pictures two weeks ago um that you put up before my Town Home Project got heard um that showed a sea of concrete where you did have one car garage The Preserve is that what it was so this is Mark's customer client all the big people in the industry to come to these [Laughter] so I think that what we're going to get here is a much better design that's going to be more attractive um just running through a couple of the other wait I'm going to show you a photo of Ed Briggs client throw those 10 homes up there I think this is Island homes I I came across this when I was researching Highland during Senate bill 1604. now the townhouse there you go this that's an example of town homes that have no variation between them right that would be no variation [Laughter] but that is what we're trying to avoid here and that's what these controls are are meant to do um some of the other things that are similar to the 40s and 50s trying to get those easements for the utilities to be placed under the sidewalk to give us more space to put trees and we're specifically calling out shade trees versus any of the ornamental trees so that we're getting good substantial trees out there that'll look attractive on the Landscaping section that table is supposed to be very concrete very organized easy to understand and easy to follow so there's not questions when we get into designing these buildings and getting the things permitted to your point Seth commission uh yeah there you go no this is what spurred this was the dialogue that last board meeting yeah I still prefer rear loaded sorry I can't it's hard to get past it when they're there's such a difference um and I just wonder have have we been able to shave off any of that cost on the driveways have we worked with our fire marshal that make it reload yeah um I'm in the alleys yeah I think to be determined there's a lot of pieces that are interconnected to get with that I've talked to Terry about it uh briefly um on a separate

a separate goal of mine is to work with him on trying to incentivize rear loads so that they are more affordable to build and they are able to be utilized more um but this is focusing on front loads because they are two different beasts and they have their own sets of issues that need to be addressed and how did your front load did your rear load sell in persimmon we didn't build anything oh yeah that's that was uh that was Lennar products yeah we are in our third phase going to build some real townhomes and persimmon though nice um Townhomes affordability this is probably the best place for us as Builders to be able to supply affordability we're able to get prices down to the 300s and maybe even with the two in front of it still in certain situations on Townhomes just so you guys know our fire marshal um has has been requiring Sally's looking at me really wide alleys because we had to do it in Longleaf um super wide alleys to allow two trucks to go by when you have uh a road in front and a road in back and they don't require that for a regular house that's has the driveway in the front they don't require access into the back so it doesn't make any sense to me and it shouldn't that's a self-inflicted rule that we put on ourselves and and I could help with a lot of that yeah we do a lot of reloaded product in the city of Saint Pete City of Tampa 20 foot wide alleys perfectly functional perfectly functional yeah happy to help with that so yeah I think that's a big thing to bring forward if you have other s other jurisdictions that are doing it differently we need to have that information so we can work on it and even I think persimmon was treated um reasonably favorably um but that took a lot of work from Scott Scott Sheridan and the Porter Family to work towards getting those Alleyways set up in a way that was uh functional um so maybe something to look at as well I mean I agree with commissioner Starkey this type of product does look a lot better um I think functionally now you might have heard the story Enough by my daughters had Townhomes up and up in Orlando and they're going to UCF up there and the parking was brutal at one car garage three girls living there one had a parking spot in the garage one head in front the other one had to find a spot and the minimal spots were traveling was like just brutal it was a just a mess every night and if anyone would come over when I come over to find a spot was like I could be like 12 buildings down so I do see the merits of this every step of the way I would love to see whatever incentives we can do to to help with this yeah on the affordable part because I think it's something they have rules that make it more expensive when it doesn't need to be and I'm glad someone brought that up

from your Association already so yeah but yeah whatever help you can give us on what other jurisdictions are interpreting it and we had well we got other stories about things we seem to be misinterpreting it with the fire department too so that's I guess the information we need to make it solid we're happy to work with it yeah happy to help all right anyone else want to speak to it all right oops I don't know if anybody wanted to speak to the uh to the graphic the cross section is very similar to what you saw in the single family it's a 23-foot driveway to allow room for the trucks right you've got the same seven foot strip of grass that would allow more trees five foot sidewalks uh that 23 feet of setback also gives you more room with the green space as well for the trees to be in there so all those same elements that we're working on with the right-of-way sections and working with the utility department to figure out about uh getting the easements down to five feet on the lot of five feet under the sidewalk we'll go a long way to uh to getting a more attractive Street escape on the townhomes and the single families is the idea to line on driveways or is this just the way they got because I know that was what was 14. that's um that's how the graphic happened to work out for that one but I think to the extent as Builders are working on their plans by separating the driveways in this case the internal the two internal or one car garages and so we've all set those driveways to give you a wider green space between those teams so question to this graphic I'm looking at here this is an from up on top is this a typical front loaded townhome yes okay so that looks like from just the roof line itself like a hip roof in that case it is okay I think that was one big roof this was done more to illustrate the right of ways and not so much the architecture okay so this was this is kind of a generic building focusing on the right-of-ways yeah the the upper one has a different roof of course the the upper drawing oh up there okay yeah multiple things I wouldn't mind actually if you get pictures of us we'll take a look at as well I know when habitat brings some stuff that we've just designed to David Weekley um that incorporates this very similar uh for the project that we're doing over with uh Tony tanako and um success District I'm happy to share those and talk about them more specifically see some of that yeah yeah I get a little bit biased but I think they turned out pretty well okay all right you want to wrap it up Terry or is there anything else I think he's wrapped up simply and the questions for staff well

good for now go up and do a little homework and maybe you'll give us more information too let me look for Direction so I would like a little bit of direction but I give you what my take is on what I've what I've observed on this great discussion today um I think that there's some additional meetings that you would like to have with members of Industry to show you examples and concrete things I think they've laid out um pretty succinctly and and logically the the elements that I think the board is interested in looking at uh what I would what I would prefer here is to bring back a draft policy to you so what I would ask is after you conduct any field visits or things that there's input or or items that you have that we we collect that and then staff can put together a draft policy unless you want to have another meeting like this to discuss it and then we come back with a policy but my preference would be to try to see if we can formulate consensus and build a policy that this board would support that would be the most expeditious way to handle it I leave it to you but that would be my my request probably take us a month between all of us to get up we're going to go look at other things we agreed I think we get it done sooner that we can give you feedback and then you can kind of start incorporating and bring us something back a little bit more yeah chair I think we need to be expeditious if we can do it quicker we can do it quicker I guess but yeah so right so we've got some board dates so I mean uh clearly whenever you're comfortable or we can we can set a Target I need time obviously to pull the policy together and and I know my schedule is like jamming for this coming week and the week after might be better so I mean do we want to Target a draft policy coming back in in July it's either going to be the first meeting in July or would have to be the first meeting in Augustine okay let's go let's go for that okay we will we will Target that and we will Hound you to make sure you're getting your visits done all right um Mr Starkey um Martin question for you do you only build in Pasco County what other counties are you is David Weekley in we're in well you're a national Builder right yeah we're in Tampa Orlando Jacksonville here in the Tampa Bay Area we're in Pasco Pinellas Hillsboro Manatee and Sarasota counties so in Manatee are you building 40-foot Lots yes and and like what subdivision uh we've got some that are upcoming um we've got some existing I've got a 45 and a 50 and um um escaping me now it's uh Neil's Community um Lakewood Ranch no no uh North River

Ranch what's it called Northwest Ranch Parish yep and polti's got some great 40-foot product in that same Community uh it's good looking stuff okay what about Sarasota um Sarasota we're going to be building some um not not a not age restricted yeah we have 40 foot 50 foot uh product uh in Sarasota we've got um what's up with front and rear loads on on the 40s in both front and rear loads on uh 50s um what's the name of the subdivision uh one of them's Lakewood Ranch it's being developed right now we're starting to go vertical our model is probably next month so it's going to be a couple months before we have models available to view uh the other one is vestera down in Venice that'll be a 40-foot front load product the same stuff that we build more or less in percent and it's the same product that we're up in percent of Park and what does like does Lakewood Ranch have any restrict you know requirements on the quality yes laughing it depends on where you are they have they have everything within the community so they've got about 2 000 homes they sell a year just in that community and you've got every single price point you could imagine you have price points that are very high end 2 million three million plus and you have price points there are three or four I mean but I think the commissioner's question is they have a very active Master developer for Lakewood Ranch that has but they're not overly restrictive on architectural they have some of the same builders that build here in Pasco County doing things not too differently in the north sections of Lakewood Ranch where it's more affordable the southern sections tend to be the more expensive um north of State Road 70. Yeah well yeah that's exactly right north of State Road 70 right around state road 70. south of university is their very expensive Waterside area that's in Sarasota County so they've got everything there and they've purposely have tried to hit every piece of the market and allow pretty much every Builder that you could imagine that's in the state a place there I think you bought I think you've got about 24 active builders in Lakewood Ranch and and what are their setbacks between houses um I was just having a conversation today about our five foot setbacks yeah on our projects okay all right Dad five foot on their larger Lots at least back yeah and back in the early 2000s and I will say the standard for Sarasota County is six feet that is the standard um lot setback of Sarasota County you could get it down to five um by asking for it through a variance but the six foot is standard okay really good yeah I think we're good uh commissioner Whitman am I going to be allowed in Del Webb [Laughter] [Music] all right so that'll do the agenda

committee reports commissioner Oakley I don't have anything commission Whitman oh I think I think Mr Mariano if I might I just want to say thank you to the board first of all we're hearing you but I also want to thank these guys behind me there's an army of people that have been working on this non-stop the last two weeks I can't tell you how many people have worked this hard to get this to you all and we're hoping that some of this green space and and Landscaping stuff will find its way into the code very quickly but it's not been without acrimony there are a lot of people trying to make products fit and make it work in a lot of you know in a large County with a lot of development so thank you to you but I do want to say thank you to these guys because they've been working their rear end off to get to today yes you know I should have thanked you guys as well I greatly appreciate your efforts we're just kind of a little bit of a busy morning this morning uh but we greatly appreciate your input it helps us make the right decisions I think we're all trying to build a great County here with the best products we can so we appreciate your input thank you thank you very much commissioner all right so the governor's side Senate bill 7064 which is the human trafficking bill so thank you chairman and Mr Stein Snyder for sending a letter and hopefully this will uh allow us to do better in Pasco when it comes to those businesses next so we had I think so we had phsc's 50th Anniversary over at the ipac and a bunch of community leaders were there great crowd uh wonderful performances and it was just nice to celebrate about having phsc 50 years uh here in in Pasco and Hernando counties next chairman I mean don't steal your thunder but wonderful wonderful sports coach dinner I don't know how you're going to top that next year uh but great job to the staff and team we had a great time uh congrats to rep Maggard and oh who took that photo what's next oh thank you to the uh the clerk thank you to the clerk's office and for having the leadership Pasco panel thank you enjoyed that that was my my first one and um it's great to hear from from everybody who's put time and it to come and visit and see see what we do during the week uh next we had uh over the crate uh congratulations to uh uh Felicia and namish Desai and Blaze streak one they've at the blush wine room they've opened up a second crate uh kind of across the street for their champagne room and so they had their grand opening on Friday and just unique vibrant little spaces where people come and eat and

drink and have have a fun time at the crate so awesome work done by by the team there and excited to see them expanding their their footprint and then on Saturday Harley-Davidson of Wesley Chapel opened up that is Harley Davidson did an amazing job designing this building this this building this property has the potential to be so much more than just a Harley dealership motorcycle space it's an event space it's space for meetings it's entertainment and uh excited to have him here and I encourage all of you if you were on it's it across the street from pop stroke a Wesley Chapel Boulevard encourages every one of you to stop by and really take a look at the architecture of the building and and see what they've got going on going on there so it was a chamber of commerce morning we had people they were handing out Andy State all day because they gave away a Harley and Andy was convinced that he was going to win and he'd be taking his wild hog ride here today but he he didn't but it was a great way to round out the week having Harley-Davidson right here in Pasco County very good anything else nope all right Mr Starkey well um I enjoyed that that sports event very much as well and um I uh also want to thank everyone who attended you know the the regional Commissioners meeting that that was fantastic it's amazing that that's the first time we've all met um and uh hopefully we'll have transportation and water up for discussions next time um I thought it went really well and that was a great meeting place and uh it was a good meeting yeah and thank you so much for the administrator's helps and pulling that together and I I hope that it it's not too long before we do it again so we've we've discussed doing it quarterly three times a year we're making plans for the next one Camp was sick so we hope she can oh well um do you like Carly let it ride so I uh was uh out you know at the Naco board of directors meeting and um I uh they we had a really interesting presentation by the border patrol agent in charge of Yuma Arizona I didn't get to hear all of it because I had to talk with my County attorney but you know what what they're going through down there we can't even imagine what what those border communities are dealing with I just God bless them then we had a uh then one of the speakers was someone from oh gosh a uh a an organization that deals with

national forests which I want to find out more about and I'm sorry I don't have my notes with me I didn't even think we would have commissioner items today but I want to show you a picture this is the fourth one the first one I sent you and it no not that one I'll show you that one in a second that's not the one I'm talking about it won't open darn it okay um well this is a picture I took we had the board of directors of Naco and the board of directors of wir had a joint um reception at a golf club by the hotel and this we had it this it was raining so you know we had to stay all and closed in but when it stopped raining we went outside this is what we saw so that was amazing beautiful beautiful um beautiful rainbow reflecting in the pond there I have some other pictures but the um the picture I wanted to show you from the national forest which I'll email all of you it's a side by side Forest in Montana and the left side is managed by the feds and the right side is managed by the private landowner and the national forest is dying and the forest on the right side is thriving and they they were talking about the wildfires and Wildfire management and um and how poorly the federal government is managing its lands and that if they should be turning more of them over to the states and local communities and I thought that was really really interesting and so um we Commissioners that were there listening we want to learn more about it because if you see what happens in California when they're not managing their their lands right and the wildfires go crazy so that was good um yeah and I think that's I don't think I really had much more for much more or none I reserve the right to have more look at my calendar remember let me take a super majority motion I did get the neurovirus on the way back am I seeing that right we got diverted to San Angelo Texas and uh spent a couple hours in the middle of Western nowhere in Texas oil fields and um my flight did not leave out of Dallas Fort Worth until like one in the morning in Spanish commissioner Constantine spent the night in the airport so we had a rough time getting back but anyway thank you for letting me attend that conference no glad you're doing it uh your participation there and naco's been great so and very effective uh Mike Arbella County Administrator speaking speaking of the Border I know that uh Laura wilcoxon of our emergency management team is actually out there deployed helping with some planning

efforts so more more of your Pasco team is out there supporting a lot of efforts uh two quick things first is the Pasco libraries received the Florida Library association's 2023 library of the Year award so we're very very proud of the work that our libraries team does and libraries are more than just libraries I can I can promise you that but we're very happy and and proud of those folks to to win this this great honor for the State of Florida so hats off to the team there the other is a is a request we were awarded a uh approximately a half a million dollar Grant from the state to assist with cyber security services uh can't really get into the details of it but it's it's a good thing uh the grant award needs to be executed though by May 31st and we just we've just obtained these so I'm asking for the board to approve for the County Administrator to be able to sign this agreement by May 31st we'll disclose the appropriate information to the board following but obviously subject to the county attorney's review and approval the of the legal documents you have a motion move to approve second well in favor say aye aye opposed there you go thank you sir I'm done okay County Attorney's Office no sir don't have anything thank you madam book two quick things okay commissioner Whiteman mentioned leadership Pasco government day so thank you to everyone who attended the class really enjoyed it and then also on April 26 and 27th we had the student inspired Art Walk at both the judicial centers and commissioner Whiteman came out for that also so we want to thank you um if if you haven't got a chance to walk through the judicial centers the Student Art definitely makes a difference on Plain boring government walls so commissioner Starkey um I did want to say thank you I'm going to save two of them for next time but uh when you talked about the parks I remembered that Elaine um what's Elaine's last name at our parks department that was just hired Elaine Smith who used to work for us went to run the parks department at City of Newport which he's now back with us as our our [Music] cultural person had her really I think her first event at Starkey cultural library and they started out with the steel band The Seven Springs Middle School steel band if you've never heard them they're really cool in the outside area and then they went inside I actually have a little video here but I'll show it to you next time Caribbean Caribbean chillers like 300 something people wow so we had our first cultural event at Starkey Cultural Center that's what I'm calling it sorry and uh yeah so thank you you know congratulations to Elaine and uh I'm glad to see us using it like that the um St George where we had our

meeting a county of 200 000 people it is the fastest growing city in the United States they've had a Convention Center for like 10 years 200 000 people just saying let's go let's get one no let's build one anything else nope okay I'll save it for next time that was a self-inflicted wound or you asked for [Laughter] all right yeah the tourism banquet was phenomenal uh I'd say Ronde Barbara was a phenomenal speaker I loved what he talked about talking about coaching how important they are in the community and we talked about maybe someday we can actually do something for coaches run an event for them through tourism and kind of go on honor our coaches because they are formulating our kids they teach them how to compete makes them I think better citizens uh Randy Maggard I gave him the Chairman's award uh he was very helpful and as far as making some phone calls to fish and wildlife to get us at 30 70 scallop season so he was very appreciative and I was delighted to honor him we might be able to have a pretty good one next year too because we're going to bring in Tim Tebow which is no small task girl need a bigger menu yeah we're working on that as well you might have seen it down the street there on 54 on Saddle Brook coming up but they're in those conversations the summit was great with for resiliency Regional planning Council had a great turnout 370 plus the topics were phenomenal uh it's going to led to a lot of great conversations um and by the way Bradford you made a great selection and Mike I was telling you the same thing earlier but uh Jason Mickel is going to be a tremendous addition we went up and down the coast looking at um possible opportunities for baffle boxes little traps where we've got a opportunity for a joint grant for 740 000 with working University of Florida in Levy County and then the full million dollars at Regional planning Council in the escrow regard that four million of that goes to the regional planning Council there's all sorts of baffle boxes opportunities and he's got all the experience to go do all that so I'm very excited about what he's he's going to come back with a plan how we go forward had a quick meeting at Hudson Beach without Park staff those guys were phenomenal too we're going to kind of look at bringing something forward to kind of like show everybody what we want to do out there as well and try to get those outside parking opportunities thanks for letting those guys come out and go take a look at that and I just want to say uh today's meeting was very tough we had a regular item wasn't supposed to have any public input obviously we got a lot of it but I want to commend all of you for listening going through the whole thing and I'll just give you accolades again commissioner Starkey for making that

extra ditch effort that just was tough coming well I got new information and that's what we got to do is we got to keep on digging digging I was digging hard yesterday trying to make him make him have him make a move they weren't making it but I think with enough residents here and US ask asking the right questions at the end of it and you know getting that new information was tremendous so I think we handled that as good as we possibly could have so I'm very proud of you guys the way it all went down so I I do want to say you know I'm in that area a lot obviously and um and I know it happens to some County staff driving down Starkey Boulevard uh uh and I the the perception is not good at all and uh frequently drop calls I cannot open email in that area at Duck Slough and 54. I I I can't you can't get anything um so and when I talked to a T and they did a study they found that um they were really deficient in the area and that's who I use a t and they are elevating and rushing uh to fix to add an array on the tower at Trinity storage the one where they cut down all the oak trees for the billboard at Starkey and 54. but it's going to take them a year oh there's the picture that's not doctored now that's the the national forest taking care of those woods on the left and the private landowner taking care of the woods on the right and there's like a straight line um it's just really sad we didn't ask for that picture but but I'm glad to see it um and you also got the roof there of the convention center but um and and I I had hoped that that would help the school but we learned that that is more than two miles away from the school so it won't help the school to help some of that area but they're real it there really is a deficiency and I'm glad we're going to go look for other Solutions so yeah with all that said I just want to commend the board I thought you handled it very professionally thank you for helping me trying to figure out how to get all through and getting it done but we got our two things we need to get done as well so I think it did very well so with that or adjourn [Music]

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