04.18.2023 Pasco Board of County Commissioners Meeting (Afternoon Session)

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in the Tampa Bay Times on March 1st 2023 good afternoon sorry can you hear me now yes I'm getting better okay perfect um this is Orlando from Korean planning um before starting this five presentation I would like to submit some expertise into the record which also um a different document it has some sriveness favor so I would like to to make this into record wow [Music] second all in favor say aye aye any opposed okay and curve and just for the board I just had met with the applicants right before this meeting so this is going to be Palm with MPV pdd23 76 um 33 this is going to be the location of this object property it is going to be zoning districts surrounding the area and this is going to be the official languages surrounding also the area the applicant is requesting a change in the zoning district from AR and AC to an mpud allowing 390 319 single family detach units in approximately 116.75 Acres the applicant is also requesting the following deviation from the LDC 901.6.3.11 straight access to adjoining property applicant is requesting to not interconnect in the south side of the subject property PD stuff is available with the uh to Grant this relief I'm sorry of this section of the Land Development code since the applicant will be providing an emergency access only to Fairwinds Road this will easy traffic on Fairwinds Road I'm sorry which is not designed to serve high volume of traffic this is going to be the master plan and this is going to be the findings of fact the LDC specifies that variation from this code may be reviewed and approved by the PC and the PCC during the public hearing held on any application for an MPD zoning Amendment variation should be allowed where the VCC specifically finds in the particular case of the proposed variations made or exceed intent of this code pdd's have has reviewed this variation and have found that they made or exit the entire the intent of the code I'm sorry we did stuff has identified a Colony Road it's a vision Road will be the the alignment is going to be shifted to the West therefore the proposed development will not need to dedicate any additional right-of-way to this Vision road before going to the next finding of fact I would like to show you how it's going to be looking now the vision road that is being shifted to the West but I'm sorry can you hear children [Laughter] thank you who's um who is the applicant again oh it's going to be Taylor Morrison represented by Mr Clark hobby okay but it says naturist religious Society so if that's who they're buying it from

thank you while you're there on that page before you change it that's yeah I was trying to zoom in I'm sorry okay um this is going to be how the vision world is going to be shifted to the west and how it's going to be looking after that shift to the West okay previously was going to go through the subject property now to avoid any impact on the Wetland it's going to go to the West okay now that's based upon a broad study that was done in 2001. sorry can you repeat that again that's done on a route study that was done in 2001. um yeah 2001 I'm sorry okay yes that's based on the route study from 2001 there's a wetland right there obviously that the you know the the typical Vision map doesn't necessarily take that into account until the route studies are done and the route studies are done and they try to weave around and reduce the impacts so the the preferred route is that route that you see there where it goes just west and in this actual image the red line there that you see the red outline that is the westernmost portion of this particular project so later that's I don't really understand what's going on and the final final five I'm sorry for all these confusion um the proposed request is going to be consistent with the Pasco County LDC chapter 400 subsection 402.2 zoning Amendment MPD master plan unit development and with the applicable provisions of the Pasco County comprehensive plan Planning Commission on PD staff recommends approval with conditions um okay Mr Starkey I don't know maybe I should ask after Clark Clark are you making a presentation I I I wanna I'm sorry I don't remember what the interconnections are but I don't like not connecting to the South or having a stub out I understand it's a it's a nature and I understand it's a unique neighborhood to the South is it a gated neighborhood to the South it is not gated for the record Clark Hobby and hobby and hobby PA 109 North Brush Street Tampa Florida Commissioner uh I can go through our presentation and give you a little better feeling of some updates that that we're going to make in the area may help your your thoughts about this and be a little bit more consistent with them so let me let me just run through the presentation generally um we have our whole team with Atwell here Steve Henry's here on on traffic and Brian skidmore's here on environmental stuff so I'll just get to it you guys are generally familiar with the area as you'll see in a minute that sites about 117 Acres it's Res three this whole area is basically res 3 or res six and as you'll see in just a minute um the area is basically from The Colony Road where it's going to go straight up up to Hudson Avenue almost all of the parcels between there and the Suncoast

have been built out you can see there's the res 3 and res six areas and you're looking generally at Meadow Oaks um to are closer to us on the Eastern side and then Lakeside which is in the res six area that's off of Hudson Avenue up there they're both substantially larger than this project they're roughly three times each one of them is roughly three times the size of this and they both have the same lot sizes the area has been Res three that we're in for a long period of time so there's really nothing new here it's been planned for being built out at res 3 densities it's not in the Hudson rural area which is on the other side of Hudson Avenue and again here's the map showing you all the mpuds and other projects that have been built out over the last 20 to 30 years and again Lakeside Meadow Oaks which are in close proximity to us are roughly two and a half to three times the size of this project and have the same size lots that we're proposing so I'll uh I'm just going to try to run through the access points here and I've got a couple of updates that we want to make and one thing that I did and the conditions to respond to General board discussion about smaller Lots you know issues that we're seeing in mpud's residential things so first let me discuss one condition that we added that's already in the package that you have now we've added a condition that says if we do have any on-street parking we will restrict it to only one side of the street so that that way we're not blocking people people who need to provide services in the community and we're not creating a problem for emergency responders so that's already in your package then and what I do want to add here and I guess first I should explain the access points we had already previously worked out with staff so we had two access points onto Hudson Ave and in working with Brad and his staff we had already aligned access points on the East that go through an area of Mr Winn's property he'll probably speak in a few minutes but they align with an access that he provided on what's known as win Lane to one of his neighbors and it it gets out over to win Ranch Road over on that side then on our western side we have an arrow over there and in both of these cases where the arrows are on the one I'm speaking of now in the previous one we've agreed to stabilize the area and to make a contribution to the county for Paving that when the time time is right okay Paving what Paving the stub out from where our street would be back to our boundary line and we're giving an easement over it so that the neighbors can get into our project and through our project on both of those is that shown here because I don't see it's in the conditions that's in the conditions but it's for those two arrows the one on the western side and the one on the Eastern side now one of the changes I want to make the one that's shown on the western side we are going to and I'm going to ask the board if it you know approves this to to

make a motion to include moving that access point down to align with this southerly East-West Road that's just south of where it is now along the western side so the southerly East-West Road it would be moved south from where it's shown on the master plan down to align with that as you heard from staff Colony Road there while there is a little small like 10 or 20 foot area of existing right away that's not where the road ultimately is going to be widened up to Hudson Avenue and we're trying to get it as close as we can to align with where it starts peeling off of this site so that there will be a good functional interconnection there now commissioner Starkey with regard to the connection to Fairwinds if if you all don't mind and this may take just a little bit more and I want to respond at linked to commissioner starkey's concerns I want to make a change to the conditions about Fairwinds and let me explain my logic to you if if you allow me we only have 30 feet of area or right away to get to Fairwinds we do not have enough area to have a full vehicular connection so previously the conditions required us just to provide the emergency access which is just a stabilized Road for them it's usually dirt but stabilized so emergency access could get through there and discussing it you know and you will start saw I had an ex parte and discussions with staff and commissioner Mariano I can say now uh we knocked this around a bit and I think the best thing for us to do is we can agree we can pave a 12-foot travel Lane down that area it's not wide enough to pave a full road but we'll pave it and it's going to be my motion would be or to ask you all to make would be that it would be remain emergency access for vehicles but because we're Paving a 12 foot path it would be big enough for golf carts bike and pedestrian access to Fairwinds and again my Logic on this commissioner Starkey is that Fair Winds while it's functioning to some degree as a collector Road for Meadow Oaks it was not designed that way it's not striped and it doesn't meet all the requirements for a collector Road and and also because generally we're up against a nudist resort on one side of the thing we never thought that it was a wise thing to have a full access down there I just thought it would not be in keeping with having a lot of traffic down there with a more rural area and a road that doesn't make collector requirements so that that was our thought there and we don't have the right-of-way to build a full road down there so do you want to talk about that further well um you know I just think it's really important that we really really focus on connectivity um you're from I can't really tell from this map but you're saying you have a connection to the east a connection to the West a connection to the north right the only thing we don't have and it's only because we only have 30 feet of area to get down to Fairwinds if we had 50 feet we would build a full-on road

down there we're not gating the community that wasn't the intent it's just we don't have enough area to build a two-lane road there so that's why our thought was really the smartest thing to do let's go ahead and pave it we'll take all the retention on our site and all that stuff but it would be emergency access only for vehicles and otherwise we can have golf carts and bike and pet on it and that's good you know with the golf course at Meadow Oaks so um end of year presentation I I can I can wrap it up now and answer the questions yeah hang on for a second let me let me get into a couple of other things to talk about too because it's the interconnectivity of this area is is huge and then it's another one of those fragmented areas like we have up at Hudson and New York Avenue where we don't have the connection Colony Road if you can put the map up that shows the aerial shot of the area but I'm trying to find online reminder requested it's not in mind that's actually that was actually a good map we just had that previous slide okay so if you if you look in the purple section where it says Colony Road coming up from State Road 52 going up it goes past Fairwinds drive into a cross row which is called Foxfire which is the first lightly covered Road right below the yellow section of that's there they don't have any connection to that property there but the vision road takes Colony Road straight up until their section at the yellow and then it as Clark said peels off to the side of that retention Pond and going up there now that road study was done back in 2001. um you could have gone either way with it they chose to go that way rather than redo a road study if we can get the land for that later on to make that connection there's no development looks like a lot of dirt bikes in there then we can make that road happen um you know we don't have the money for the road but with the impact fees that this would generate you could actually improve this area dramatically by making that a connection from Hudson Ave to 52 for everybody in there and that would probably take some of the stress off the Fairwinds Drive Road to get people that's going to go out this way here if they're going to go north south on Colony Road they can go out that way and that should take some of the stress off the fair ones and commissioner Starkey I know there was some resistance Clark you can talk about it for the people at Meadow Oaks that were worried about connecting Fairwinds drive down it's another reason why they don't want to pursue doing it but if you want if you want to go that way um politically was trying to save some heat from us but if you really want to make that connection happen I don't have a big objection to it so that's that that can be part of the conversation depending on how the public comment goes so here's my beef with the way we're we approve these and and I would say to you

and to staff and maybe as a suggestion for the future I sure would like to see what the planned wrote grid Network is for roads I have no idea I have I am I am voting blind if I may I feel I'm making a good decision or a bad decision that I'm going to be uh getting gridlock on some of these roads because there's no connectivity and then I you know I'm always looking out for a trail system and where is it here so I have no idea I see this angled thing over here is that something that maybe one day we planned to put a trail on I I said that commissioner Starkey that's that's the Colony Road Extension which angle that's coming down from the a no it might be helpful if we can get that other exhibit up that shows I just wish we'd get a map like that to you know that we could see how things fit in the big plan well well I'll tell you commissioner Starkey in that area right there where that was just a little bit to the side there's actually Peachtree drive that comes down we repave Peachtree drive so the road comes straight on down then it goes over to the side and comes back on down to hit Fairwinds to then go over that's how I would go to Meadow Oaks for my house yeah I have I don't know that your area like you do and so we're voting blind over here and well the sad thing is they they paid Peachtree without talking about it they didn't even bring up the opportunity to actually look at we're using that road study to go get um Colony Road done and connected which would have been a much better use of dollars and set a pave in the other road so it's it is is an important thing as far as where the grid is but this this part right here is a pure connection that needs to be done and can be done sir commissioner Starkey that the upshot of what you're talking about is this road Colony Road went crazy sorry um it's intended to be a north-south making a grid through this area and that's it's a vision Road and there the board approved a route study a long time ago the only issues the board doesn't have any funding for this road but it's basically paralleling Haze like in this area that would be the main north-south collector Road where is my map of the road Network and proposed or not in this area how do I I have no idea what what's going on out there um Brad to been planning and development uh that is a very difficult thing to do especially in an area like this we have Vision roads which we do have a general map of where the vision is you do but we don't have it well that's what this was I have no idea what that's connecting to okay that's Colony right there and that the red line that's there on the outline is the western boundary of this property so Colony comes up and curves off to the west of this property to get around that well I mean it's Russian to me I I don't know I don't have the picture of how people are going to get around in that area so that that is what I wanted to explain real briefly uh is that the roadway Network the roadway network connections that you're speaking about

generally are not necessarily our vision rules there are connections between subdivisions that are local Road Connections things like that those are not going to be on a vision map or something but what happens is when one project comes in and does a stub out there's a requirement in our code that other projects need to connect so over time that creates a network which is why in this particular one you see four yeah well I'm glad for that so that's that's one of the things that we do when we have these are common mode there's really nothing to show what you would like to see at this point because those others aren't there you just have to Envision that from this one from those four those connections are going to be the connections in the routes well I I'm still going to go back to my point that we should have a plan and it seems to me that as we fill in it should be adhering to our plan and I'm not I'm not knocking Clark I'm I'm just saying we're not I I don't think we're we don't see that big plan I just get little pieces and I have no idea and I understand what you're frustrating so much Starkey but let me let me I would tell you this when you all speak up here on projects specifically or in general it's taken to Heart by your staff and the reason why I know that is immediately after you all had a hearing a month ago Brad called me based on the comments on another project that I Believe Miss Wilhite had and said you better show an interconnection everywhere you can because that's what our board wants and that's what we did here the only thing I can't do and it's literally just because we don't have the area to fit it I I don't have the ability to build Fairgrounds as well that's my only thing I'm happy with your connections I just wish I could see how it would see how it was a big plan I understand I understand that nothing against you guys no I know and I wanted you to know that staff is taking it very seriously and I believe David staff's intention on almost all these projects now unless there's some really unusual circumstance that we need to try to interconnect everywhere we can when we come in with new larger mpuds so so then the other question I have and I you know I just asked the County Attorney here um and I don't know if we want to do this or not because it is another level added to us but I'm curious about the site plan but we're not going to see the side plane unless we ask to see the site plane but so you know we don't know what are your amenities what is your green space there's a lot of houses here is there a clubhouse and a pool I believe yeah they have nothing we have you know our engineer earlier and he told us they're they're two parks within this site and there's a series of other amenities I'm trying to remember which ones pool and commanded dog park and there are two parks Mrs Taylor Morrison it's a step up building but it says a bill to rent community

now could you go up to the the full map and let's tell me where the roads are you're going because I cannot read that yeah we can't really tell them where you have all the connections but I don't quite understand if you don't have enough let me make a suggestion for the future as well as right now but I think if you had map Pages up we could zoom in and zoom out and make a lot easier that picture is a pretty good picture to look at uh but again if you could see like like that Peachtree Road I could show you would be where's Peach Tree like I can't so if you see where Hudson Avenue says the H and Hudson that road coming right down that's Peachtree that's right going in the angle no the ones coming straight down right below the H of the Hudson Ave down there was a straight Road of how it relates to everything around it sorry the pointer is also acting up it's a little better but now tell me the roads okay so look in the far left where it says top left of the screen Hudson Avenue and then that road coming north south is Peachtree so when I'm when I'm coming from let's say over in Hudson and I'm coming down I'm going to take Hudson Avenue I'm going to go south on Peachtree take the side road coming all the way over where dead ends to Colony Road come down and if you raise it up a little bit uh there you go then it shows you that road going across that would be Fair Winds I believe is that right Clark white fox fire fox fire no I know Foxfire goes across but then you go from Foxfire to the end on this to the South so you have to move a new screen then you get on the colony and Fairwinds is on this southern end there okay so if you take Colony up with with the route study basically what it does is get you all the way from 52 directly to Hudson Ave with all this 90 degree series it turns you have to make now and again when this stuff was built if you all will drive this area you know there are it's a series of Legacy larger AG manufactured housing and things like that that have been there for a long time and they will redevelop but over time you're going to need colony to punch on through so you have that connection can we see that can you go before you go there commissioner Starkey you brought up a great Point as far as the connectivity and now that we've looking at this map lake Carl it's over there to the side it connects right into Fairwinds going right across I don't know where Lake Carl is uh it's if you could zoom it back a little bit go the other way I'm sorry zoom in so it says Colony Village there over here yeah it said it was suddenly Carl but look at how the colony Village goes around and connects right into Fairwinds appear in the section going right across yeah this thing yep yeah so that goes right across

commissioner Mariano's saying is that fair wins even though it's really not built as a collector Road it's already basically providing a good East-West connection it's setting up is that so so what now now I'm and this is making me change my mind Clark what we just talked earlier now if you would let's go shift it back and let's go look at the connection to Fairwinds so the map we need to get a little bit to the east where that one little sliver is poking up it's if you just stop right and then that one little sliver is where our connection to Fairwind is okay so so there I don't know what where this little sliver is what are you talking about that's a problem do you have a pointer there that one look on the screen there's a little nothing okay so that's it there so now if we're going to bring all these homes in rather than having everybody go up and around Colony Road swinging back over it actually makes more sense coming straight down and then if they're going to go to Meadow Oaks whatever now it's easier to get there that does make a little more sense if the someone's going to go out to 52 they can go they'll go out the other way they'll get on Colony Road and they'll go that way out I do think they will if they're going to go the other side they may go either way but it could it'll still break up the transportation Network so are you saying that you would be in favor of it not being emergency access to them I'm leaning that way but I'll wait for public comment yeah that seems cleaner and better for the community it does again Commissioners just want you to understand we don't have the area to build more than one travel Lane in there you mean one one way or yeah one way it literally we cannot it's only 30 feet and basically you need at least 50 feet to build a two-lane road that's you can't build it in less than about 48 to 50 feet because you've got to have side slope support for the road is that where you had the uh bags of road right there was emergency access only and again several of the you know members of the public that aren't here but we're at Planning Commission we're asking us to make sure that was emergency access only so and that that's you off but we that but then we very mad because they're out on the collector arterial and they can't move because there's no grid so they they don't have to look at the big long picture right but we do that is our responsibility well again you all will do what you want but the only point I'm trying to make is I can't build a two-lane road there so if I make a connection there now it's only with the one lane road what's what's the minimum width for a roof uh just we need to pull this up on map or I think so you have a better idea where you can see the red lines here those are actually the property boundaries cheeks road is where

we're talking about that connection would be made um if you can zoom in there there's there's nowhere to to really take right of way from those properties um those structures are are right there it would make those structures unusable you would essentially have to take those entire lots to be able to take but you could you could offer a nice price yes that's that is that is an option if that if the residents want to sell but um it is a very tight location that's why we didn't pursue this too far especially since Fairwinds itself is not a fully standard collector Road um it seemed like the emergency access with The Pedestrian and golf cart connection was a better idea then we also put the the connection that you see to the east that Eastern Arrow uh it's a little bit lower in the middle of the subdivision to be able to allow for some of that connectivity going across in that direction as well so we tried to accommodate as much as we possibly could with with the constraints that are on the site you've drawn in a single lane exit Road and did you say a golf cart road so it won't be a vehicular Road it will be only it'll essentially be a hardened uh asphalt you know like a multi-use path but it will be hardened enough so that it can be used by Emergency Equipment if ambulance fire truck needs to get through there to get there uh it'll be gated to vehicular traffic but there will be a way to allow access for golf carts pedestrians bicyclists to be able to move through that area using that pavement why would they need to move through there if it's an exit only yeah commissioner Oakley that the answer is you have to have this kind of emergency access and so that's what we're trying to provide um down there but I got an idea we don't have the area right now to build you know the two-lane road with full access what if we do this in you know two phases or as an interim condition where initially and by the way we have no problem with graining a public access easement over that stretch of the road that's not an issue at all but what if we say that it's going to be emergency access and we'll build the first Lane okay on our property and we're going to take the drainage that's no problem and then when or if the additional right-of-way comes available you all can build the second lane and at that point it will stop being emergency access and would be a full access okay let me let me wouldn't have a problem with that let me take that idea and go one step further okay what if it is a one-way and emergency um until you were able to get the other land necessary because I mean like like an egress as a for instance but not an Ingress whichever way is advantageous to the community I don't know which way is better but I mean at least let someone

use it so there are some connectivity that just needs to go out yes yeah okay then I don't have a lot I don't have a lot I don't think our client cares a lot about that the only thing I just want to be sensitive to and I I know you all appreciate this I told several people that Our intention was not to have anything but emergency access out on that road and if the board wants to go a different direction on it all I'm saying is that's the board doing that and again I don't mind if that's where the board wants to go to say that if you all acquire more land and want to add a second lane that it will then be opened up I just want to make it clear this coming from the board and not for me because that's what I told the resident access only I mean for exit only I wouldn't be down the road changing it something else I mean that but that to me that doesn't make sense right but the board makes a decision yeah and if we say we're going to do it we're going to make it happen whether he said it that he was going to pursue it if we're pursuing it because we think it's the right thing to do that's what we do outside that exit and then we also continue to finish out the other roads in the area like Colony like you said and so the more connections there are the more diffused the traffic is and the less issue it is for anybody yeah but let me bring up but let me bring up an idea that could be another alternative to disconnection that you're using we have properties it could be expensive to get later on down the road what if you shifted over and I Clark I don't have your map so I can't see where that side road is that you had down with the cul-de-sac but what if you took that cul-de-sac Road and brought that straight down would that hit that other two properties goes through one I I can't remember if it goes through one or two but our again the thought was there's already The Sheiks Road you know that's there and we're trying to take advantage of that I understand but that would you have 30 foot right away and you've got properties on both sides it's gonna be very expensive to get to buy them if they don't want to give it up so what if you what if you look at if you look at it it's either it may be two because it's very close to where so you may just shift it one way or the other a little bit that you're coming down we would probably lose Lots would be my guess so aside from those particular issues and possible impacts to the people that live in that area one of the other things that we need to consider is the trips on Fairwinds itself once we start putting a lot of trips on that road that road itself is not necessarily standard to be a collector so that's going to be a larger Improvement that would need to be done by the county like it's a local Road these are local roads correct and that's the other thing is whether it's a vision most people are going to go out on

Hudson most people will use Hudson but this gives but what if you want to go play some golfers or go somewhere else the trips are going to come down there one way or the other um now there's another road that runs north south that it could line up to as well if you had to put it a certain spot but you're really close to a property line you could shift that to the left and now you just hit one property I don't know what's on that property if you can if you've never looked at it then I don't want to play engineer from up here but I do know that the reason why the cul-de-sac is the way it is because we're trying to get lots on either side and if you start Shifting the road one way or the other my sense is you're probably going to start losing a significant no significant number of lots I mean our engineering here and he's head nodding his head that that's the issue with it and that's why there's the cul-de-sac there again I I hear what the board's trying to do and we're trying to solve you know a lot of interconnectivity issues some of which have been in existence for a long time but I really think if you think about what I'm proposing that it be you know a one laner and then if the county can acquire the right-of-way and have two lanes of travel then opening up as a road that's not an illogical thing to do no but it could be much more expensive I've got to buy two lots for people's at homes or budding it I guess I gotta go spend a lot more money in the road when I go build it I'm not sure that we know that much now we don't okay now one thing we could do and again this is contrary to what I think commissioner Mariano has been saying on other projects but if we eliminate the cul-de-sac we can bring it straight down in now that I don't know if we have lots on the South Side the cul-de-sac that may cost us lots there you if you one lie I don't commissioner I don't know I mean I have to check with them I mean if you have a roadway that's going straight up to Fairwinds you don't need to call this up anyway no but it's it may cause a lot loss maybe we should hear from our neighbors and while we do that then maybe um I can speak with my clients see if I can see what's down in that area can I ask one more question I think that's a good idea and I hate when we try and massage them from up here but um is that dashed line um is that the main road that's the road in the neighbor right that's a series of spine roads right okay so what where does that green arrow what does that touch is there another road over there because that's not clear to me it's Chic I guess that would be Chic uh which I mean what does it tie into someone's yard or originally on this

roadway that's something that's we've added recently so that would have just been a hardened emergency access so that's why it's not shown on there as a roadway it's but what's emergency access to what if it's not touching the road that's what I'm trying to figure out the hatched area right there there would likely be like a stabilized weight if for the fire rescue to get onto the road to be able to to service the neighborhood I don't think they envisioned it being paved but in this particular case as Clark mentioned they would they would do the one the single Lane and of course then to to widen or not to widen would just be a a simple matter of is the property available because it's not likely we'd be able to condemn for something like that so let me ask is that road being used now by the neighbors that are right there uh yes I believe so yeah there's like three or four people that use it so you'd have to make it the one way but it'd be above those neighbors right it would just connect to us just above them that's right oh I see yeah cool and again I you know I think all we're doing is adding more connectivity this is just so the board understands and I get that the board is very uh attuned to this issue of interconnectivity but we're what we're talking about here is far in excess in my opinion of what the code requires I mean we're going Way Beyond what the code requires and historically what we've asked people to do I mean we're turning the site into swiss cheese but we're you know I'm trying to do it in a way that I can actually deliver on it and I'm not being untruthful with the folks that we've spoken with in the community before that all right let's stop for now let's go to public comment okay is there any from the pump anyone from the public here to speak to this item um Mr chair I have no one on WebEx for this item okay wearing because I didn't think I was going to talk Clinton win right okay is anyone else going to speak that didn't get sworn in he's got to swear you in up here okay you ready raise your right hand do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth so help you God so oh my God thank you Clinton win one two seven zero nine win Lane um I probably know these roads better than any of y'all so families owned the property since 53 um Fairwinds Road and this is where I'm coming to you guys as a team Fairwinds Road and I'm not against the development so just understand that I'm not happy with the growth but I'm not going to push back Fairwinds Road needs infrastructure Colony needs infrastructure bottom line first when you guys had that map up there the cul-de-sac the two lots to the South the

cul-de-sac are abandoned yeah look at that there's nothing on it I'm sorry there's nothing on it well do South yeah South they called it's like they just tore down a trailer a year ago that was abandoned I'm not sure what happened just to the west of Sheiks so you have two lots I tried to buy the one but somebody else got it in the auction just south of the cul-de-sac you have two open grassy fields that could bring that straight down if you guys would work as a county but please don't do it if you can't even strike Fair wins I've been asking for years we still don't have lights at fair I don't want to sound like a broken record if everyone's in Colony the kids are out there at the school bus in the dark and it's just not fair we've been paying taxes since 53. now I'm not that old but it was my grandparents and now I've been continuing after my father passed so um Meadow Oaks I work a lot with the homeowners association there's no Stripes there between the clubhouse and win Ranch really because they've all faded out we've been asking so again I'm just showing you where the the ball is being dropped and if you're going to bring in this cool development to help bring the value great now sheeks Road from Sheiks Road in the 80s I was going back to some surveys with Clark I've given up 15 feet of my entire West boundary between the property they're proposing so I have 15 feet that I can't even use so why isn't that being accessed now that's above the lots that the people have okay I did go talk to some people on cheeks the one guys in Europe he doesn't know what he wants to do he's just renting his house he's out he actually bought the property from Carl Thomas who the Builder blocked so we can do a field trip out there I think you guys should put on your boots and go out there and walk around and see the area I mean I'm supportive but we have to put the infrastructure in the area any questions for me uh I'm gonna ask you a question do you so you agree with the connectivity to Fairwinds if you fix up colony and Fair Winds because we just got a stripe at the stop sign at colony and Fairwinds we didn't have that yeah the stripes striping is easy The Colony we're working on the infrastructure to keep getting that done as well but I'm sure the people it should and again when Meadow Oaks was developed because we sold part of our property for Meadow Oaks going through Sugar Creek Boulevard people cut through there they were using our property before I got it back in 2015 cutting through to Hudson Avenue and I locked it down so you're going to have people going out to Hudson Avenue through Meadow Oaks Fair Winds and then you got people cut through to Sugar Creek and you see the traffic stop at Hayes Road in 52 at 7 in the morning I don't know if you've seen it back something with the coochie so you're bringing all this development in

that's fine but we have to turn Lanes at colony and 52 where the gas station is in the Dollar General no sidewalks we still have people with missing limbs riding their wheelchairs scooters down the middle of the lanes with no sidewalks unacceptable to me um Fairwinds hasn't had the grass cut back the Lane's too narrow Okay so but again if you I mean I'm not knocking these guys I'm whatever I can't stop it right I won't just hold on to my house but the point I'm making is you gotta put in some investment into Fairwinds and Colony if you even think about doing this okay thank you thank you anyone else for a public comment all right and there's no one on WebEx no one is on WebEx okay so we're close to public comments so some good points brought up um we do need to put the infrastructure in place if it's going to happen I think the interconnectivity is very important and I think this this almost takes me back to the dentnav project that we're going to look at where we kind of looked at if we're going to do it and we're going to impact the area up there let's at least put the money that's going to be generated back into the area and not only do I think we need to do the Colony Road Edition I think the turn lane down on 52 is going to be important the striping um maybe get some lights in there too um the street lights is I mean I I we don't have them on Trinity we don't have them on Starkey if I may I'm on the street you said the bus stop on on the street light since it is a local road we do have individual street light districts which we run as little mini msbus if you will and literally they they cost maybe 50 to 100 a year in order to run and operate if that's something that Community is interested in so that option is there right so we can go we can approach that with the audit with the people there um commissioner Mariano if I might just for a sec uh I did speak with my client and we can bring that road and and stub out on the end of the cul-de-sac so the road could continue straight through there the way that you're talking about we can do that so you know but what I'm hearing you say or suggest and we've got you know two new members of the board here and commissioner Bradford's not present but just for their benefit on another project in this area commissioner Weightman we segregated the mobility fees from the project for certain improvements in the area um and it created a nice little individual pot of money to address things like that and I'm I assume that's what commissioner Mariano maybe has in mind here yeah as we talked earlier I think that approach worked for that area at least it made it better I voted against the project I believe just because I just didn't think it was the right spot but I appreciated what you did coming up with the idea to use the impact fees for the area Mr Goldstein

commissioner I just want to caution you though that this is all one mobility fee area and I know there's other roads in this area that are important to you for example Hicks Road there's other roads in the area that Mobility fees would be used to fund and so when you say the mobility fees from this MPD you're all going to go towards Colony or maybe Fairwinds that does impact your ability to do other roads in the area and our recollection is with the other mpud it was a much bigger area that the mobility fees were earmarked for it wasn't just one particular roadway so I I'm just concerned about when we go to fund or like Hicks or other roads that are important to you and that are important to the board that's going to be adversely impacted when you're saying the mobility fees have to go to a road like Colony so if you could put the screen back up that showed the development scenario I'm going to make a point with you to kind of show you why the concern is there while we're waiting for that I would I would Echo David's sentiment I would caution on that because our impact fees are set up on zones and in those zones we have we have projects and those projects are prioritized and they are large dollar projects smaller projects such as this may not generate enough Revenue to do some of the improvements that you may want to see and in which case it may not work out so scale is important priorities are important and again I would just urge caution if we're looking to redo how we do our Mobility fees districts I appreciate that but here's what here's what can happen to an area so we've had this fraud study done since 2001. okay before I was here 2001 the rod steady has done his where we need to go we know we want to connect 52 to Hudson Avenue it's been all those years and we haven't done it yet in the interim Meadow Oaks Lakeside probably some working in the world of Life over there Plantation Oaks some development there Sugar Creek went down there and this road never got built just like I had the concern up in Denton Avenue we had the project coming in nothing's going to get done it gets siphoned away to other areas this is an area that it's not a super expensive roadway to do but it's critical to the infrastructure to the into connectivity and if we don't do it now it's gonna be another 20 years before we try to go do it because something else took priority I mean I had Zimmerman sitting for so long Ranch Road sidewalks never get done because it just wasn't a big Focus because other things took precedence but if I've got a Development coming in that's going to impact this area I can justify to the people in the area that look the development's coming in but the impact fees the growth that's impacting you is going to pay its way to fix the infrastructure

because of what they're coming into if I don't designate or try to get it designated I'm afraid we'll get more of the same and this thing never gets built out literally Peach Tree never should have got done that should have been focused over here it should have been brought to the board instead just one day peach trees paved so as a board member as a district commissioner I'm saying to fix this neighborhood to get this done with a road project been sitting as a road study done for how many years it I can I can I can go with the development but it's got to be cohesive to what's going on in the neighborhood so that's why I'm asking for it again like I did before and now vote for this one if we can get that done of course this is a board disc discretionary issue I think really we what the board does with our Mobility fees that's we I don't believe that we have any objection to doing that is I guess the best way to say about I mean it's really it's a board decision as to whether we would segregate the fees for this one yeah I just want to ask him something if y'all can someone can someone tell me what's so their road is not their yellow line is not touching 52 what's going on up there you see that what is 52 get is that hump getting straight oh oh Hudson I'm sorry yeah Hudson what's going on up there is Hudson going to be straightened out is there some issue why your your line doesn't go along the Hudson Avenue your property like the road was the reason why it's not following our boundaries the road was moved over time it went up really [Music] might have been for um that was for the flooding drainage or Bridge there okay that's true commissioner waitman sorry thank you Clark for a bit of your history buff so a question about Hudson Ave so we look at these projects and you're moving east to west long Hudson Ave you know that's an ad kind of reminds me of how State Road 52 used to be right right two-lane straight these projects keep coming along what are we looking at if there's a rural Corridor to the north an opportunity you know for change there potentially and as we keep moving along West um I think that's an apple pie they used it's used a lot if you drive it there's some rough patches along the way just because of you know heavy traffic and some of the commercial traffic along there do we need to start taking kind of a a different look at it is is it you know soon to be the the first another sibling to 52 I was in as an East-West quarter on everybody's talking about North and South but um

I don't well it traveled even more and it does bottleneck it Haze and well in Hudson Ave I take it to work and you know Hicks his Hicks moves a little bit more smoothly than the you know going eastbound well the the area in general and and Hudson obviously it's a collector road and it has been for many years and that the stretch between we are and where we are to haze from a capacity perspective is in good shape but I think what you're observing in commissioner Mariano is well aware we've also got this employment node over by our facility and all the other stuff that's going on off a soft wind and so over time I Envision Hudson becoming a much more significant Road it may be four-laned one day and be a more significant east west road right now it's not needed the traffic studies show you if we took a growth rate that was like four times greater than what we normally use there's still capacity there but it's you know as you see these projects building out and you see our employment on the Eastern end of it over by Shady Shady Hills Road this is becoming a significant area for a bunch of reasons it's all working together that's the good news is there's going to be employment opportunities in close proximity here but it's not going to be a sleepy um you know rural feeling Road over time and something to think about with these networks that are in here before we see Lakeside Meadow Oaks et cetera all those people if they're going to go out to Hudson Avenue or Colony Road they get to 52 when you get all this development that from 52 connecting Hudson Avenue it's such a amount of traffic that could be so much better spread up because otherwise you've got to go all the way down to Hicks or picks or hey go down Hicks Road that way the other way and you get the school down there and when the school's crowded um it's it's it's a log Jam I mean even right now with the new busing thing was going on literally it literally it was a 45 minute drive from Hicks Road to get to Hudson school and then the property uh so I understand your point and appreciate your your point on these interior roads here and into his Hobby and his clients point to have make a decision on this project with a caveat that these the roadways that you you refer to get built kind of don't really work but would we be if if we were to approve this project as is in my hearing that that we can all but guarantee funding in in these roads be be dealt with in an expeditious manner is that kind of what I'm hearing I guess that's that County attorney if I might because I worked on the other one I think what we're we're proposing or commissioner Mariano's proposing and I'm saying we don't object to is that if you did segregate the funds for from this project for these various projects and the two that commissioner Mariano was

talking about were Fair wins improvements and Colony Road and it may be that you want to just throwing this out there to David's point about how we did the other one we looked at a larger area maybe we look at the area from 52 to Hudson with Colony being the boundary on the west side and go over to Hayes and then at least you're looking at a larger area but with understanding colony and Fairwinds are really the focus points then that gives the boards at least segregated funds for this area for whatever the priorities are well with I don't want to necessarily do that because I don't think we need all the money that we're going to collect from these funds from from this development to pay for it so what we don't use can stick right back in the fund and use it in the general area as long as I take care of the issue that this is going to create those two roads is what you're just just those those two connections is I'm good with that because that'll take care of that and the excess money then can go back into the regular you know regular Zone mister I just want to be so I understand the Colony Road Extension I'm not sure what you're asking to be done with Mobility fees on on Fairwinds if I may what I'm hearing is you'd like a certain amount of money whatever the cost to extend Colony Road would be would be segregated from those Mobility fees with the balance returned to the fund which are what you're de facto doing is prioritizing Colony Road so if if that's something that this board wants to do I mean we certainly can look at that now based on the alignment I don't even think we own the property well I do see that I have an easement something on from Hudson South on Colony Road says we have it I'm looking at it you have an a small easement area but you're going to need to acquire right away as best we can tell from six or seven Property Owners including a longer stretch through one property owner that butts Hudson Avenue to meet the alignment that you're starts at Hudson Avenue and then it comes in at a curve so is and so that was going to be my question is that that pond that's on your western border is that what is that is that a class the road's not going to go through the board already adopted a route study that has the road going to the west of that that's what the graphic was showing you earlier so oh that's what that was that's what that's the approved route study for the road so the only real question and again this is really y'all's decision is whether the board wants to prioritize the use of the funds ability fees from this project for that project and some undetermined improvements on Fairwinds can I ask a question that's true yes Clark do you know what your estimated Mobility fees are from this project um I think we have just over 300 units and you know I think we're in the Middle District so I'm going to say around 2.5 2.8 million it's just I just doing that on my phone and I think that's a guess

does anybody know the estimated cost of The Colony Road Extension when you include right-of-way acquisition we'd have to build a quick project I don't think we could do that on the fly if accurately anyway is anybody know the distance I haven't looked at it on our end I think someone could drop my pages pretty quick and figure it out it says it's egg but I can't tell what kind of AG it is my my guess would be that that's not going to be sufficient to acquire the right-of-way and build the entirety of the road that's just a guess I'm not sure that would be my prediction too Clarks I agree but again you know the board can help set the priorities if it wants to but I guess that kind of goes to the point I was making earlier which is if the money is insufficient now you've locked it up for a road that will never get built or won't don't say that okay or there will can't be built without additional funds from somewhere else we need more money it's under transportation and I guess the point I was trying to make Commissioners I know we have a large Industrial Park we're trying to develop infrastructure for around Hicks Road and I don't know if we'll need these Mobility funds to help support that Industrial Park and so I'm trying to say this for your benefit too I mean because I I think your priority would probably be funding the infrastructure for that Industrial Park versus funding a road for a residential subdivision that's my that's my fear is I want to make sure you've got funds to support the industrial park I understand quarter of a mile well that's as a crow flies but it's not that right probably I'm guessing a third of a mile with a curvature would be my guess you've got to get all the way down to where the 90 degree turn is yes how are you going to approve this and then leave that open where you don't have those funds when you need them for that industrial part I mean what happens normally on roads like this they're taken care of by the developer not this kind of road but I think the issue is this has been a plain County it's off-site for us but the issue is just no money's ever been put in for the CIP how long was it how did you see us locked that locked that money down and then can't do this road and you can't use it somewhere else so based on the length I would say that's probably about half of what we would need not even counting land costs at this point in time to acquire and build you're probably north of five south of 10. All In yeah

I mean I think I think we have to make sure that it's in our in our plans and work our way towards it Jack but I think you do yourself District disservice if you tried to lock it up for now but we have to pay attention to that stuff well regardless of that issue I just again want to confirm we will move that Arrow to have a better alignment on the southerly East-West Road and my client confirmed that if it's the board's pleasure we will make a stub out in the middle of the cul-de-sac on the southern end so that if you all want to make a connection there later you can do that and as I said before we will pave the emergency access area so that emergency vehicles can get in there via a paved travel Lane which also can be used for golf carts biking pad I think those are all good improvements and whether how the board wants to handle the funding of this other Road that's really within the board's purview so can I ask Brad a question about your last suggestion Brad how does that work if it's a paved Road how do you allow golf course on it without cars driving on it bollards or some other type of structure just to block the nuclear traffic so you can put Ballers up that are only wide enough for a golf court to get through but not a car yes yes I mean we can work that out and figure out what would work best but there's different ways to gate it and and different types of ways to open gate or have sizes and Gates and different things um I mean there's some ways that we can make that happen to restrict that we have to or they have to they do I'm going to say if we are not going to get Colony Road done then we need their their Connection in a regular connection to be down to Fairwinds that's got to be a full connection I think it needs to be so whether it be the two empty lots or however we want to do it um but not only the improvements on Fairwinds that would be necessary all the way to colony stripe it and make it the best we can with I believe also there are some other we would need to look at it as a substandard road see what the situation is but it wasn't it wasn't considered for this particular situation because it was an emergency access um but if that's going to be a full access then we need to consider that all right so let's look at from the bottom of their property that runs up so can you shift over clark

and this is probably for the engineer this single family detached homes to the right and give us the right away so Clark so Colony can go straight up at least a little bit below um the pond that's up there commissioner that that your route study has it only Clips our very corner I understand but a muscle tool does this 10 million dollar Road won't get built unless we find a better way so if we can move your stuff to the side where it wouldn't cost you any loss even if you the project wouldn't be feasible with it I mean we would literally probably lose 40 or 50 Lots I mean we couldn't do it and again you have an approved route study to take out that question by the County Attorney you have to follow the route studies I are you are you talking about the cul-de-sac sorry I was looking at it if I shifted Colony Road away from the approved route study through our project oh which I mean that literally would lose like a bunch or just connect to it that's that's what we're trying to do is provide the connection but the connected to a world is not built I mean Colony Road is Clark what if the connection were only what if you didn't build the expensive part of the road that goes up and connect what if you only build the connection to the South yeah to where where it's there I don't know what that distance is but it's the Sharon Street in other words if you had a connection to existing colony to the South yeah right there I'm not right there from FoxFire FoxFire Fox Furniture fox fire colony basically saying extend colony to that southern boundary of your orange arrow connection the problem is there are six different Property Owners we'd have to acquire right away from I just see what I think he's talking about from Foxfire to the southwestern most corner of his property there's five or six Property Owners we have that's that's not right away controlled by the counting in any way no it's there's like 10 or 15 feet it's like old platted dirt road so even that would require right away positions what you're saying oh but it weren't that easy and the other thing I you know I discussed with commissioner Mariano we have no problem giving a public access easement from where our porno connection is through the project so if anybody if and when there's a connection made there it's not like we're stopping people from coming through the site that's not the intent I just you know can't build somebody else's 10 million dollar off-site Road Clark would you mind if we continue this 30 days take a better look at it I mean I want to try to make it happen but at the same time I can't bury the traffic for these people without trying to find the best way possible to look at it it doesn't even it looks like colony is owned by the naturist religious Society

my only concern is I don't know how I'm gonna resolve the counties you know Vision road construction within 10 10 days I again I don't mind stubbing out the stuff we talked about and building one travel Lane and having it open up if the county can acquire more right away I don't have any objection to that but I don't think that's going to solve you know any long-term aspirations for Colony Road and there are no capacity issues on Hudson and we're meeting all the other interconnection requirements so we're meeting the code requirements I just I don't think I'm going to be able to find a conclusion on coming up with 10 million bucks for Colony Road maybe another way to build it commissioner thank you this is the perfect scenario of when something isn't necessarily ready to be built on because the county hasn't planned appropriately per se I think what Chairman's asking is if it gives the county 30 more days so we can we as a county can figure out and give Miss Carvalho whoever in his team time to really think about the connection here we're adding this is exactly what folks that we see every day and Publix and wherever else you allowed a project to come in and the infrastructure wasn't ready and that's kind of what we're up against here we're not saying I know the project but I think what the Chairman's asking is I'm always predisposed when a commissioner asked for continuance that we granted and I will I'm going to agree to but what I am going to say in this particular circumstances there's we're not required to do anything further for this project and it meets all the code requirements and it's providing as much or more than all of the projects in the area I don't think that's what's being asked I just I want to say that on the record of y'all I don't I understand and again we worked out the other one I had a little bit more time to work it out and you know I'll try to work it out here commissioner Oakley yeah you have a question for me um Commissioner Oakland um one of the funds actually come for this type Road I mean we come out of our budget to do this or or where do we get those funds so if we were to do this type of project under the Engineering Services Capital program it would come from a combination of Mobility fees Tiff fees usually your Tiff subsidizes the mobility fee discounts that we that we give to encourage development so it would it would come from those two primary sources and then the smattering of other sources depending on whatever you know types of amenities or things that we would put in sometimes any funds it just depends on on the industry the value of this road important that we look at doing that without stopping this project from just going forward I think you have

to look at the totality of your program and then you prioritize where you want to spend your money Nation here to make that kind of decision we don't have it here today but it has been prioritized and it's and it's there we can certainly go go through with it but I mean no obviously it's not on the priority list right now I can tell you that if I continue for 30 days that will allow me to work with your staff to get a better idea of these costs what the project May generate in addition to Mobility fees I'll get a better answer on that what the increase in the Tiff increment might be we can get a better sense of these things and then hopefully we can find some common ground with the board on it Mr wind might help us with some of the neighbors we need and we can certainly refine them a bunch of things we can actually work on so 30 30 days would be helpful at least we can at least carry the conversation from here I want to try to help the project come in but at the same time I want to protect the neighborhood and protect our infrastructure I understand I understand what you're saying can I I just checked my calendar to make sure I understand uh what's on the calendar because we've got a bunch of projects coming up so if it's continued for 30 days that would put us at the may may 23. is that a meeting or not is it May 23 yes sir I thought I heard some somewhere May 23rd meetings I don't know Mr chair can I ask a clarification question yes please is it being continued to primarily to look at Colony or did you want staff and the applicant to look at the two lots south of their project to connect to Fairwinds that seems I want to look at everything so everything we've talked about let's go take a look if we've got a better suggestion better idea that comes up to somehow I kind of agree with commissioner Starkey that's probably a much cheaper it's probably cheaper to acquire those two lots than to build a Colony Road that's helpful to me David because maybe I'll have my client go try to talk to the people out there and see if we can somehow work something out I mean again we were constrained with the amount of area if that hadn't been the issue right so let's just make this I'm going to make this best project we can so let's go work together and I'll work with you too okay to go I appreciate it May 23rd of uh correct date they confirmed it okay yeah sure oh yeah okay yeah I'll make a motion we move this to continue it to May 23rd meeting 1 30. second all in favor say aye aye any opposed Mr Bobby thank you and to the folks at Taylor Mars and thanks for working with us thank you okay we'll go to commissioner items I guess about fell asleep over there [Applause] I do have some items um the first one is on your screen right now

we went out and celebrated the fire rescue station number 18. uh breaking ground there and that was on April 6 at Chauncey Road and Yonkers Boulevard and Zephyr Hills that particular fire station was one of the ones that we and if you'll notice the dust and that dirt they're through I can tell you we didn't get we hadn't had enough rain and even with a I think we got three quarters of an inch rain the other day in eastern part it's still not enough rain so we all need more more rainfall but that was part of the projects we had put to the to the vote of the citizens and this is one of those where we rebuild this this station from Crystal Springs up into this area in Chauncey Road and the fact of it is 95 percent of all their calls down in Crystal Springs were coming from this area up closer to Zephyr Hills so it uh how to cut the response time for 95 of their calls and then they'll also work back toward Crystal Springs for those calls and thank goodness you'd think Crystal Springs might have more because of the area that's in but actually they're up around zephyrus was more populations where they get the calls so but that's going to be a news station for Bay could could possibly hold up to eight vehicles and house I think 12 people if I'm not mistaken and while we were there the firefighters were there from Crystal Springs and you saw them moving out there eventually as we were fixing to take pictures and and dig dirt they uh they were moving out and had to move out because they had a call so they were doing their job but they were there to see this groundbreaking I'm sure they look forward to the station so the next I have is uh last Wednesday they had the Walmart's Health Center it's a VIP tour and ribbon cutting celebration in Zephyr Hills uh Tony Wilson the centers administrator she's been in the healthcare business for over 25 years uh I didn't know I was supposed to speak but they allowed me to have to be careful doing that but um very good idea of what's going on with with Health Care Systems and Walmart they did one at Wesley Chapel they they did one that one was in Zephyrhills itself but it's a it's a full operating Clinic I mean they have dental they have x-ray they have lab work you sit there audio Behavioral Health and Primary Care all in that one facility same day same same employment time they did a great job that's the I forget his name but that's the dentist there in the center so he's got his glasses on he's ready to go so but all the girls worked in and live in Pasco County and it was there was one gal that did not and she said I've been trying to get my husband's changed to move up here in Pasco from Tampa but he works at Tampa General hospital so he's not moving away from his travel so it's uh been a very good

very very good crew a lot of people work there and they're going to take care of a lot of people I want to make another visit out there this coming week to see how many people I it just seems like one of those places would be easy to go to and and get care right away which is very much a good asset for our community uh then on Friday I had the privilege to join uh Senior Services uh Patron appreciation luncheon uh held at the First United Methodist Church as musics and games opportunity to meet new friends uh thanks go out to Brian Thomas and their team for a great event they put on that day and we missed out of Kathy earlier I usually see her at that event and uh it really turned out very nice Marie went with me Bob Hatfield was there and then this one lady she had been sitting by herself and we asked her to come up and take a picture with us so she did but answer several questions and uh got to visit with them and and it means so much to them to have these dinners and get to speak to people that like myself and others that they don't get to see and know that we care about them and the services that we offer are very much needed by the senior citizens and it's very close to my heart when you talk about veterans and senior citizens because I'm the only one up here that's with the veteran and a senior citizen so well that that's all I had okay commissioner waitman good deal thank you all right well first thank you for your board support on our bill to rent uh item today very much appreciate the discussion there I want to just follow up make sure staff you know of our conversation last week on the Via pH items where we talked about the road with uh distance on cul-de-sacs and neighborhood parks moving into the future I don't really I don't necessarily think we should get into it today but just be be mindful of moving forward how we can ensure that other commercial traffic outside of just fire rescue Traverse those roads I mean there's a lot of services that modern day residents provide that that the other vehicles use so I think that's worth a conversation and some stakeholder input uh on on those items um next we had thank you chairman for putting us on canvassing board uh talk about an experience we had Municipal elections and worked a different level of Elections this last week on the canvassing board and Brian Corley and his team uh did a fantastic in a very efficient job and it was very interesting to see what happens after the vote leaves The Ballot Box and a very professional group there and uh is a good to be part of that phase of the of the process so thank you to Mr Corley and and his folks oh we also went down Andy and I went down to the district 7 office and spent some time with secretary Gwynn and learn a little bit

more about Dot and there if you haven't had an opportunity to go go down the D.O.T on these screens are real time pictures I assume probably senior board members have gone but it was I've never been in that room it's it's worth a tour that is fascinating they can't quantify so there's FHP in the building dot in the building and literally real time on heavy traffic congestion they're changing light cycles and times uh if there's an accident happen they're calling right away there's no real way to to quantify the metal lives or people that have been saved in in time that people get back from being stuck at traffic it might you might feel like you're being held hostage in traffic forever but you're literally getting home quicker so it's a great conversation with him and about our roads pasco's roads especially specifically you know 50 the 54 section there we discussed in front of Saddlebrook in that stretch of road from the Interstate Moving East uh 54-way on light timing and you know with all the projects and the volume of folks coming in but it's really worth your time to go have some one-on-one with secretary Nguyen and meet his team uh knowledgeable one gentleman's been there he's in the very far back right 38 years he's been working wow and specifically in our area in the level of transportation and traffic and Logistics pretty second at none so great experience and appreciate our D.O.T team and everything they've done for us and then lastly over the weekend we went to the Pasco County beer and burger Fest at Heritage Park Atlanta lakes and uh or solid waste and recycling team Pasco saw wasting recycling team where the Pasco County sponsors of this event and so you know special thanks to John Batista Rachel Batista Carrie Kimball and Shannon Kennedy they all did a phenomenal job great music ate about 10 different hamburgers judging hamburgers and trying to score them it was it was very filling uh the burger that won of course it's been dubbed the commissioner he had like a waffle in it and bacon it was like a it was fantastic uh you can see it there that that front Burger wow by the that that's the commissioner right there it easily that was the first Burger and it walked away uh with first prize as you can see each Burger came out that size oh my gosh did you have to eat the whole thing no it was tough business and judging beers such a tough job yeah so it was a great group everybody had a wonderful time and it's it was a third annual and uh seems to be growing every year um and uh so great work to folks to put it on in the county staffs that kept Everything clean and the solid waste team and uh had a great time so that's it for us okay Mr Starkey

um so uh just a couple things um first you know the gentleman this morning talking about the sidewalks and we hear it a lot and maybe our new Commissioners may not realize that sidewalks on local roads are the responsibility of the homeowner but I can tell you the homeowners aren't keeping up with their responsibility and so I just wonder you know if there's something we need to do about that because if the homeowners don't fix their sidewalk it becomes useless and dangerous and I don't have I don't have an answer I'm just throwing that out there you know how do other people how do other communities deal with that issue maybe they um fix the sidewalk and put a bill on the tax bill of the homeowner or do you say you have X amount of time to fix your sidewalk are you allowed to keep your sidewalk in disrepair and cracks and missing pieces so what you know what it's not a discussion we ever had I'd like to just add something to what you're saying because I ran it there was a gentleman there Larry was his first name I don't remember his last name right now but he was in a he had one of those motorized wheelchairs yeah and he's right there on 21st was right there along uh and across uh right there wrec's main office right there on 21st Street and Daytona he was on the right hand side the east side of that road neither side had a sidewalk and he had dirt up inside there's no way to use this motorized vehicle on that side of the road I mean what if you're a mom and you're pushing a baby uh to take a baby out for a walk and your none of your neighbors are fixing their sidewalks so is there a responsibility yes I guess we just have to keep up with numbers and where they're at and eventually get enough grant money to take care of a lot of that yeah so if I may I I think it's it may be worthy of a topic to have Public Works kind of present to you some of the challenges in some cases we we own the property we there are some sidewalks we maintain others that we have not summer policy others are not uh it's it's complicated oh I know it's complicated and it's a discussion we should have it's further Complicated by again it's it becomes a revenue problem and and so those are those are things that you know Public Works has some programs already in place and there are there are some challenges but we let me let me have branford's Team come back with something and we can we can talk more about sidewalks if that's the pleasure and I had one comment to that which is all the newer mpds that come to you have conditions that say that those sidewalks will be maintained by the HOA or the CDD so this is this is the older neighborhood it's the older neighborhoods where it's an issue but but it is an issue but yeah we

have left unresolved but to answer your direct question legally yes you could improve this while Columbia special assessment on the homeowner in fact your ordinance the same ordinance that allows you to do p bass yeah allows you to also do that for sidewalks so yes you could do that that's something to think about which leads me to uh the conversation I brought it up Jack last night it's it's actually Senator Fasano who brought it to me um I don't remember where we oh we were at the breakfast for the pace girls which was a wonderful event yet again um and that is that Senator Fasano thinks that we can put some of these uh liens when we go to clear out a lot uh because they've left the homeless people have been there and left a big mess and they haven't cleaned it up he feels we can put that on their tax bill so our office has preliminarily looked into this we know that we believe that Hernando County does it but we're still trying to investigate the illegal authority to do that so we need to look into that a little bit further well and I'd like you to so right that would be good yeah okay um uh yesterday I think it was yesterday I had the folks if you guys remember well you won't but do you remember Lane Gardner from Heinz and commissioner Oakley he's got a big project going up in your District um I don't know if we all fully realize how large Heinz is but it's one of the world's largest commercial real estate developers but um they did asturia here and they were the winners of the raise Redevelopment project um down in St Pete so um Lane Gardner from Heinz and Matt Silverman from the Rays were up at amskills yesterday because I invited them to come up and look because they're they're a project in Saint Pete requires some Workforce Development components to it so I threw out there that think of us so they were they came up and they were impressed actually Lane said you know I built Heinz builds a lot of industrial developments and we you know these are the kind of things that our users need within those developments so he had his wheels clicking um I attended yesterday Jack the reason I was a little late to you on the meeting last night was I went to the orange belt meeting kick off for Atlanta Lakes for the trail and um I didn't I didn't get to stay through the whole thing but hopefully uh our consultants and our team had a had a good meeting they had a pretty good turnout it was over there on 41. it was pretty full so um and speaking of that I know that our friend Ray Gad would have been there but as you know Ray was in the biking accident and um he is doing better he's had a couple

of successful surgeries and actually left the hospital yesterday and was moved to a rehab close to home you might have seen in the paper that and I haven't seen it yet but I hear the study may be done for anklet River Park by stantec I haven't seen it but I read it in the paper this morning so um I'm looking forward to getting with staff to see what the implications of that means because apparently there's quite a few archaeological sites that we need to be very mindful of as we redesign the park seems to me we should have done that first and then done the design of the park because now maybe we've done a design of the park and have to rethink it so I don't know which which should come first yeah so were you talking about the people are from let's say Oak Island that had done some investigating out there that want to go out there Oh you mean the gold gold Hunters right no um this is um these are like cultural historical artifacts yeah this is what the state requires and stantec has an archaeological team on it and they got the contract to do the um very specific site for the I mean they they did samples for the whole property um and there are I think there's more than one Mound out there and of course the Spanish well but I am excited about the possibility that we have buried gold out there and that we bought the property from duke and we bought the mineral rights too so don't tell them that but if there's gold in there is it ours and if you guys don't know there's there is the possibility of some buried pirate treasure at anklet River Park they've done some preliminary digging because and and I I can say this here because it was on the History Channel there's a whole Captain what's his name I don't know if anyone here is going to remember do you remember another captain's name look it up what you're talking yeah there's a great uh segment on the History Channel I have the link somewhere where um they went out and did some preliminary digging um and they'd like to do some more so are you saying that their product needs to be security put out there now well we do have a deputy that lives out there but we were concerned people were going to go out there have all kinds of holes dug all over that Park so um anyway so the work on the park is ongoing and um lastly there were um commissioner I don't know if you're going to talk about London at all but um yeah so we um the global Tampa Bay which is the trade arm for Hillsboro Pasco and Pinellas County did a global Tampa Bay mission to London last week which is part of it was well the impetus was the celebration of the um non-stop Virgin Atlantic flight to from Tampa to London and let me tell you is very high tech because when you check in you you don't even have to put your

ticket on on the scanner they have these screens and you just walk up boom seize your face and you walk in unlike the British Airways flight the I I came home by my on my own separately from everybody because I was supposed to go to events Saturday night so I did not take the Virgin um flight back I flew home on a credit on British Airways and um yeah it took an hour to check in an hour to check in and then they had 80 more people than they thought they were going to have and we didn't have enough food so we sat there for two and a half hours while I figured out how to get the rest of the food so it was a nightmare but the mayor of Tampa went commissioner from each County um some and and some business folks from the Tampa Bay area I don't know if there were 30 35 of us and our friends from Moffitt went and I think for me that was the best meeting that I went to Jack was when we went to the meeting at Savills yes and um frankly I learned a lot more about the Moffitt project at that meeting than I have ever learned anywhere else and I already have a meeting set up to help bring another company there with with some folks this week so uh but anyway I think I think that's it that's it for me Jack can talk more about it okay all right County Administrator and just a few items Mr chair um first thanks for bringing up commissioner Weightman the traffic operations center I guess I'd be remiss if I didn't invite all of you to visit our traffic center it's probably not as impressive as District Seven but a lot of the same Concepts as far as running and routing traffic along US 19 and 54 so those those folks are doing that every day a couple of shout outs first the public infrastructure safety team safety is very important in our organization we have a lot of folks that do a lot of dangerous jobs and uh it's it was great to hear that the Florida Safety Council recognized the public infrastructure safety team with outstanding safety performance and safety leadership winning both a gold and honorable mention in those categories third thing is uh again shout out to code and Code Compliance Animal Services working jointly with the Pasco County Sheriff's and the Dade City Police Department on on a particular issue that didn't necessarily pan out in terms of looking at at an animal fighting operation but but did yield finding a number of code violations as well as some stolen vehicles so our team is working jointly with with our partners out there in the law enforcement Community to do good things and lastly where is she at Desiree Wagner Desiree stand up please so Desiree has taken a position within the I.T Department she has worked with us since November of 21 as our agenda coordinator she is moving on to to

greater things she's always been a rock star and has made this run seemingly desire you're like a duck right nice and Calm above the water but paddling like mad you know below below the surface but thank you for everything that you have done you have done a phenomenal job so I just want to publicly recognize you and give you a round of applause so thank you in the hot seat here we have Miss Gina Jeffers who will be filling that role coming up in the future so thank you that is all no one more thing I've got one more thing unless he's doing it what about our joint counties meeting uh yes I'm sorry item C7 on your agenda was approving a um a resolution to to conduct a joint workshop with Pinellas County and Hillsborough County Commissioners I met with the other County administrators as we discussed topics most likely we'll surround resiliency Emergency Management possible affordable housing and obviously Transportation well um we can we can Broach Broach individual topics but we're trying to find topics that we we can we can now have as a first we all want to take on one commissioner in particular at any rate I will be meeting with you to to kind of go over what we would like to cover on the agenda for this first hopefully of maybe many other meetings jointly as as a region but this is a great opportunity uh that's going to be on May 12th and again that's all in the on the resolution so more to come but thank you well I know the other two counties we talked about it on the trip and they're very excited about it we don't have any Mayors invited this time but we thought maybe in a future time that we should invite some folks from the cities as well and I'll say um definitely want to do that and I would add I would make sure transportation is there especially talking about CSX and rail that was a very big topic with the others and I'll talk about my my items coming up so definitely need to add that in there well okay Mike if you want to go back to me I forgot to say that meeting with Swift Mud yesterday um and um our Park staff there was a bridge that we used to go over the Anclote River actually thought about getting married on it 31 years ago but couldn't figure out how to get everyone out there into the woods um and our family called it the big bridge and um Starkey Family actually built that bridge twice but it finally fell into disrepair a number of years ago and I don't know if it was the county or Swift Mud who recently removed it um my husband used to gingerly walk his bike across it but a lot of people carried their bikes across it and carefully hiked across it because it got very slippery and some of the wood was rotten um but it's our desire to replace it with some kind of another kind of Bridge to make sure that we have that connectivity between one side and the other for one reason

um if you're hiking on the southern side and we hope to have another bike trail there in the near future you want to be able to access the trails on the other side and you you can't go you know there's no easy way to get across that River um and for safety reasons if someone is lost or hurt um you need that accessibility so in my impression of that meeting was that Swift Mud was fine with the bridge and that the county staff was putting in a request for for some money to explore what kind of bridge and what's the best location and my husband does want to help with that sighting because there's a reason why they put the bridge where it is and he thinks there's some issues with where the county was talking about moving it a little further to the east and then the then the discussion becomes who pays for it and so I will tell you that when Wheelock went to buy the property uh from us or um well when they bought it there was an easement that our family had given to Swift Mud so that they could access the park from 54. so from the south side of the river and um and when Wheelock went to develop uh if there was a um there I'm not going to use the term that my husband uses but Wheelock did pay have to pay slip my a lot of money almost a million dollars for them to vacate part of the easement it just shortened it you know now they have a paved road to get to the dirt road to get to the the park property um uh and so we're we put that that money into discussion with Swift Mud if they could use some of that money that was paid for by the development uh into [Music] um paying for the cost of the bridge which that there's a lot more money than that bridge would ever cost but anyway so hopefully maybe we even have a money Source but they had to go do some research uh but I would just say that that our first discussion was very good and I I'm hopeful that soon you'll we'll have a bridge over the anklet River the widest it would be would be to accommodate like an ATV so we spoke this morning about seven Bill 1604 and I'm gonna thank Andy for bringing us my attention is Ralph here tell us um let me bring this up to the next meeting when he's here well wait it might be too late yeah bring it up sorry well let's talk is this the architectural one Andy can you come up and help me because I don't know all the details for the record Andy Taylor legislative commissioner Weightman so the the Senate bill

I'm going to be careful how I say this so I don't get a phone call later um the Senate bill that we discussed this morning 1604 had an amendment that came out during our morning session um and it involves what they're looking to do involving uh Reedy Creek and and the Disney Central Florida tourism oversight board so that Amendment uh was filed with that 1604 and I think David the point we discussed is that quite frankly makes it more likely to pass but we could amend it but I think the point that Andy's trying to make that I would probably make too is that now that it has the Disney invalidation in it it's likely to move quickly and likely not to be vetoed so I'm not sure if we wrote a letter at this point opposing the bill it's going to do anything you probably need to ask our lobbyists to see if they can pull get to agricultural pre the architectural preemption taken out of the bill because I don't think you're going to get the bill killed at this point not with the Disney and validation in it so but I just don't think we're gonna have time to write a letter even if we did a letter opposing 1604 is not going to go very well now that it has the Disney invalidation in it what else is in that bill besides architectural it's got some language regulating how we update our comp plan it's got some new language about plots it's got other semi-harmful language in it but probably the most harmful language I would say is probably the arc the architectural preemption so my preference would have been they just put the Disney invalidation and some other bill yeah but they put they picked this bill to put the Disney preemption or Disney invalidation in so okay is it going to do away with the architectural on the chair hang on all right what um who sponsored the bill please I don't want to say his name wrong angolia okay that's a governor bill then okay Commission the bill will uh if it goes through it will affect our ability to control architectural views of homes that are building you will not be able to regulate any building Design Elements so you most of the mpds that you approve now have architectural and monotony control requirements in them in fact the mpo mpdu mpud memo that Terry brought to you six months a year ago established those architectural and monotony control requirements and every project even the one today had those requirement every single MPD you approve has those requirements in them that's what I'm saying that would affect you that's probably the most damaging part of that bill for you

because almost every MPD you approve now has architectural and monotony control requirements voluntarily Mr Starkey two things they can voluntarily put them in keep them in if we want a horse trade potentially can we horse Chase right okay yes but keep in mind that if they refuse maybe we don't like their their development then that's right and uh commissioner Oakley um and and board um when I texted both Brad and Kevin you know about that bill while we were I was pressing on my mind and I and I'm trying to understand where where they're coming from and maybe there's some counties that um are don't have the price level of the amount of entry level home that we have and maybe they're trying to save get some affordable more affordable housing in those counties um so I'm I'm just wondering if is there some way we can creatively craft who is sponsoring that Bill Blaze I don't know who it is in the Senate but crafts and language that helps our County I mean I think we need to understand why they're required who's pushing that and why who's pushing it in the house wherever in the senate or the house find out why and see if we we don't follow that we're getting caught in a big net that we don't need to be cutting yeah I think we can have it so you know sometimes they do carve outs I think we should try and get a car back we'll speak to Ralph this afternoon it was I'm sorry representative McLean is the house sponsor okay Mr chair push away to those points so the bill that passed today and then the the other bill that it passed no no not didn't pass but seemingly that the update came out in the morning session then and then the bill that passed uh missed the bill passed last board meet uh about a month ago the live local act I just I believe where commissioner Wakeman's going I think we should take all of us I hope take time we've been studying it to really understand it and what it means to our talk about industrial commercial Zone properties and and I've asked Mr karbala if when he talked to other County administrators if that maybe might be a appropriate place to have that conversation on how we can protect our job creating properties for our cities and counties and then especially now when you talk about quality and value the bill that's seemingly going to move through today I I really probably add that into into the mix of conversation but I hope we take some time to really understand both of those pieces of legislation what they mean and uh you know just we figure out how to respond accordingly because it could be very delicate 12 months until North Florida meets again right so I just I think it's it's worth everybody's time

to really understand both of those pieces of legislation and I'll tell you I think I think for the future we need to work with our lobbyists our government Affairs person and when these things are happening we need to be they need to I mean well this is kind of like one of those hurricanes that just popped up in the Gulf you know sometimes they they form quickly in in this particular case this um this particular bill in the Senate is going to the rules committee tomorrow at 8 30 a.m uh its house companion will be at the state affairs committee tomorrow at 8 A.M so we'll we'll discuss with Ralph and our lobbyist and you know perhaps for a second he probably did alert everybody about this bill and I know because Terry petos and I adversely commented on the bill but it wasn't until this morning that we knew that they were adding this Disney Amendment that's probably going to drastically accelerate the bill towards Passage there was no guarantee it was going to pass until today yeah yeah Mr chairman just to add on that as well the literally came out the amendment came out during our morning session today so you'll probably see it in the news because as you know Disney is a very hot news item so and again I think I think from now on maybe when we're in session when they're in session or even committee reports that every bit through as they're going through the committee reports that every meeting that we have that Ralph or a lot of you is here telling us what's going on so we get like an update every two weeks just as we're going along from committee reports all the way through to where we are as we revamp our legislative process we can we can work that in okay terms a commissioner can serve did that go through I mean I what happened with that they're still working I don't know it's in the Senate I don't know about it I don't think that's a good idea at all and I try I tried talking to blaze about it um you know uh and I heard it is it retroactive to your election Seth so it's just so handicapped the ability for commissioner to rise into leadership in the state and then the country and I think it puts takes a while to really learn how to navigate a lot of the things that we have to know to vote on and I think it's going to be development attorneys who's pushing that bill governor I know they started with a school board yeah somehow the commissioner has got looped into it and then they added us to it but I mean it takes us once you get a road approved through the mpo list it takes five years to get it built what are we doing we're talking about when we were in London and you she did five trips to

Washington to bring back those billions of dollars for their sunrunner I mean they they that was not an easy easy thing for them but now they're now they're in the running you know and they're getting they're getting millions and millions and millions of dollars back but that was relationship building with DOT up there at FDA and so I think it's going to put Florida at a disadvantage I really do so I just yeah I agree if they feel that that term limits you know you know I'm I agree with folks that say term limits it you bring them on yourself because if you're doing a bad job they're going to vote you out of office but if you feel that you need to have some term limits perhaps 12 is a better number uh certainly better than eight at eight years you're really catching your story well I think 12's the right number I've I've been here now six and I've got very good projects that are moving that personally if I leave in two two years I wouldn't see fruition on on all these things I've worked very hard for and the next commission might come in and just kill it off stop it or whatever you know I don't think anybody wants that were you going to say the stuff we work at yes that's Senate Bill 1110 and House Bill 477 the house bill has made it through the house now has been given to the Senate and in the Senate it only has one more committee to be heard in which is rules it's not scheduled though and they meet tomorrow morning so at this point I would think that it would already be scheduled it just depends if rules committee is going to meet again well maybe there's a chance commissioner let's think of the opposite no maybe there's a chance they're not scheduling it I mean that's what I mean this is not scheduled it might be dying I don't know if there's anything else that's important on there I don't know if I mean Blaze talked about it when we had our meeting up there when Pasco day and he mentioned he was going to go do that so if it's got to be the Herod in the Senate and its Blaze um well maybe you know we'll see we should we should be smart about activating folks to contact if we feel something's happening that we don't think is good for our citizens yeah they're good I'm done thank you yeah I have um two items uh one um just wanted to talk about our operation green light we held an event it's basically a driver's license reinstatement event for those that have a suspended driver's license due to failure to pay a court obligation uh we held it it would occurred March 30th through April 5th we held extended office hours for the event we waived collection agency fees to allow cases to be paid in full or to enter into payment plans we had some record numbers this year which very excited about we had 191 cases pay in full at 17 percent increase from last year we had 450 I'm sorry 445

cases went on two payment plans that is a really good number here 354 percent increase from last year there was over twenty one thousand dollars waived in collection agency fees driver's license reinstated at the event were 62 which is an increase of 158 from last year and driver's license made available through the through the event was 677 made available so they basically cleared everything here in Pasco County they might have something in another County that they have to resolve and that is up 153 from last year so a very successful event we're very happy about it another thing I wanted to talk about is an event being held this weekend it is Operation stand down and it is at The Concourse rotary Pavilion at Safety Town it is put on by one Community now and we work my office the Judiciary the state attorney public defender work together with one Community now to put on veterans court and it takes place on Friday from 10 a.m to 2 p.m it's a the event is amazing um it's a three day over the three day weekend Friday Saturday Sunday and veterans are given the goods and services that they are they need in what we do during veterans court is if a veteran has their driver's license suspended and they have obligations that are due on felony or misdemeanor cases that they go before the court at the site at the event and we hold court and the court will usually waive fees to help the individual get back on their feet get the driver's license reinstated so it's a really great event again it takes place Friday from 10 a.m to 2 p.m and we're looking really real forward to that if anyone is interested in signing up for the event there's a veteran that you know would like to there is um on the on my office's main page the front page website at pascoclerk.com there's a link to it they can sign up for the event they can also sign up for veterans court through that link as well that's all I have thank you okay thank you um I had a few things this morning at 7 A.M I was out with Adam Thomas and our consultants for tourist development they took a look at Sunwest we took a look to Hudson Beach and also Green Key I was very impressed with the meeting I had with him yesterday and their enthusiasm to get out there and actually go on the ground I'm very impressed with them it was it was a perfect morning it was a bright Sunshine the water was clean clear and he said it really helped him get a feel so I encourage each one of you to get him in your districts for whatever you've got to get him out on site there definitely taking it all in our tourism banquet is coming up on May 12 2023 at the Hyatt Place in Wesley Chapel registration starts at five to six dinners from six to eight Ronde Barber is our keynote speaker I will tell you I've nominated the governor governor DeSantis for my chairman award to show support for tourism so we've invited him we've if nothing else you may give us a video but we're inviting hopefully you'll be able

to make it we won't know that to probably like two weeks before at the best so we're working to it so should be a great event for us to talk about the homeless meeting how we had last night I thought was very good staff was was Dynamite Sheriff's Office was here um had a good very good conversation uh commissioner Starkey had some great input she uh did very well up there to talk about different things the whole room was full with people and the discussions were strong a lot of passions on every every single side and I think it's going to give us some some direction to go in the future where to go and I think everybody's got a better perspective on everybody's perspective for those that are really sympathetic those that aren't those that are concerned I thought the whole dialogue was real good went really well well one lady was more than others but yeah she was she definitely definitely passionate and for her good reasons yeah yeah I mean she was broken into Debbie Banks started the whole thing but I want to say uh Sonia if you would uh thank you for all the great work you did she was like the moderator for the night as well and uh coordinated everything to go through so I think it was a lot of good information I think some good things are going to come out of it even Lisa from Holy Ground was here um and I'd say I had gone up there at Thanksgiving bringing some turkeys but I didn't see her there they said she wasn't feeling well but she looked great last night so yeah she's doing so well yeah okay so the Economic Development Council had their mission trip to London to work with Virgin Atlantic to celebrate their flight and Virgin Atlantic is now a Non-Stop runs daily from Tampa to Heathrow what a phenomenal plane phenomenal team and as commissioner Starkey said the check-in things were so easy yeah it was amazing when I took my return flight back I literally just was at the airport and I'm stressed out we're like leaving from London and they don't do it like we do it they do it where when the plane gets in then they'll decide what gate you're going to go to and it was like whoa yeah you have to wait I'm looking I'm looking I said that looks like time not gate and I'm looking Michelle and I going back and forth I think that's it maybe not and then sure enough it was just the time that was being shown in uh military time and then finally when uh we got to the right person took us like three people to figure it out they said your gate will come in once the plane docks and once the plane is lined up and it's landed they'll tell them where they're gonna go and it goes up from there so that worked out good literally from the time it docked we had already sat down I got a bite to eat we walked over to do the check-in and they're already checking the plane in people walked right on and away they went that was not my experiments with British Airways yeah so

so uh Virgin Atlantic they've got it together so some interesting very interesting conversations was going on we had one of the high directors there Judah and we're talking about different things going on he was so impressed he did the open he did the opening Mark for the reception we had um at the uh at the hotel we're at and while we're there he started talking about the different things they do and one thing I was unaware of but virgin Atlanta actually does hotels so I talked with him extensively about that and the gentleman from Delta in delta in Virgin Atlantic partnered to put this line together so the guy from Delta Fabiano he's Brazilian he he was like hyping about how great I started talking about football he goes yeah but paddle 10 this has really taken off so they play that on the beach he showed me a picture it looked like went about a half a mile long people just play in paddle to myself so I took him online I showed him a picture of sun west what was going on there he got really excited about it and then the gentleman from Virgin Atlantic was there we talked about putting the hotel out there so the site we go and I've already got the information rolling back and forth now but they could put a Virgin Atlantic Hotel out there try to imagine Pasco County being featured with let's say Tiki Huts like Bora Bora in our secondary Lake going around there for a destination for them yeah I think it'd be awesome yeah I think it'd be awesome for Pasco and all sorts of Tourism stuff so uh that'll be very interesting to see yeah um I was also very enthused with moffatt being there yeah Henry Reyes is phenomenal we were like going back and forth and you know commissioner Stark and I were getting ready to go on a bus to go see an event for the bridges um and I says you know maybe we should take a look at this so commissioner stock was very smart she went over to do the first one I went with Henry to make sure we were there so literally as we're getting to the event we're going to commissioner Stark he's already done the event she's riding with Bill Cronin on the way to the same meeting we're going to go to so uh we're kind of joking with these people that are going to bring in big big things so can bring in big things and have done big things in London for projects that I said if you had one more commission we have a quorum to vote to both the syrup so they they love the support they love the ideas um and for everything I think that we did was phenomenal in actually starting Market because it's the number one Economic Development Trader we have is the UK so now that they've actually left the union it's even stronger for them to look for other people to partner with and let's say I saw a lot of cool cool things that were out there no there's

that here's a sad thing though that they left the EU um although I only had I had nine minutes to shop in this whole trip um huh that's very sad we were there for three nights and I you know I that's all the time I had but you don't get the vat the the tax back so if you've ever shopped overseas I mean that's one of the good things shopping over there is you get you don't have to pay the tax and you get you get a good amount of money back you don't get that in England so I think that's going to hurt them more that's the biggest problem for them leaving the EU all right well some interesting things I saw over there this is a building and if you notice in the building there's a street sign they don't have them on the road they put them in the buildings really interesting um go ahead and go to the next slide now this is an idea I have street lights look how small they are now for us for our bigger roads with six Lane roads probably not going to work but those are your city slow traffic well so you're right in the middle of City slow traffic but but I'm thinking like even though we just talked about maybe putting one at uh that Fairwinds Road we're coming out or even a colony in Fairwinds that's a sign that can go a lot less expensive a lot less maintenance easier to see driving up on a roadway maybe we should take a look at that I bet our guys would say the car is going to hit it liability and maybe that's why they protect them like they do or you put curbing around it et cetera but I'll tell you what for for small intersections it may be something to take a look at uh do you have any more pictures I know you like that oh yeah I kept talking about the bus so we're talking we're talking about bus benches this is such a double boat you know sometimes the people can sleep on benches we've had to take out a couple Donald the Wawa on holiday one in front of Beacon Woods but you can't sleep on that bench but you can sit on it and even put a rail in between if it gets too long they're no different than the size of ours but that width of a of a bench would keep anybody from going to sleep on it which I think is something worthwhile to take a look at just saying [Music] Let's uh bring it back at the mpo I guess um go ahead and go to the next picture yeah yeah that's all you got all right some of the things I thought was interesting like we we say the word yield I knew we said the world you know what they say give way we have the sign that says stop I'm telling you we have the word uh exit exit they use the word way out I thought it was I thought it was pretty funny um now through it all we had some great meetings and I'll tell you the the

region was working very very well together you know we're all talking positive about each other and yeah working together just everyone's talking positive about what they had going on and how we want to try to make things things happen um and from that you know I'll say mayor Castor um mayor Welch mayor uh was just phenomenally get everybody together Commissioners were there and just everybody working together and I just got a notice from Bill Cronin I just got invited to a summit uh for the crew Tampa Bay economic Summit that's coming up uh June 13th nice I think they had initially just the three City mayor's going now they've added the chairman of the County Commission to go as well which I think is pretty cool so we're going to be right now what's that just him just him yeah yeah one of each okay commissioner one of the funny I just sent Bill uh Mike the picture but one of the funny euphemisms that I thought was kind of funny so our the first reception was at um beefeaters um I think it was to keep everybody awake uh but you know how we say fanny pack they say bum bag that's what I thought that was a bum bag I know I thought that was so funny too we were all like look a bum bag a fanny pack the thing you put around your waist yeah yeah a bomb I usually carry one but no when I'm snow skiing all right and uh I'd say so it was a great trip uh delighted we went to Mr Stark I know you've gone to the Germany trips et cetera but this I thought was was yeah this is my first um Airline inauguration I've been with global Tampa Bay but this one was originally predicated on this to celebrate and bring attention to this new non-stop yeah and I'll tell you Moffett was extremely happy that we were there yeah so it was it was just a phenomenal trip um one last thing as we had the meeting this morning that somebody cares offered to help us out with cleaning out these homeless camps yeah I don't know how we do it but I recommend we try to engage them uh and get them working they work on only donations but somehow we can make an arrangement to help them out that would be great um so what are we going to do about all the garbage that's on County property it was brought up this morning well I guess if we if it's on County property it's probably our responsibility to clean it up so we would just need to see what we've got and figure it out and I'll talk with Branford if when code can get together and figure out there's places where you're talking about with the homes and I bet there's some more off of Sun Ray Kathy I bet I haven't been walked in there but I'm I'm not walking in there by myself um if if there is a if there is on our

property we should clean it up and I think that I think we have it off of 52. I mean uh 54. um Kelly Funk knows what that site is last last item I have um I introduced the Citizens Academy at the other day and one was there Jeff steinsteiner was at the mic and I just walked in so I don't know exactly how the question started or went but uh Jeff was being asked about lawsuits going on and he mentioned the one with us in the clerk and the conversation was pretty heated with the people wondering why this was still going on so I don't know how long we plan to go on this there but one of the questions we're asking how much money we're spending on attorney's fees for all this stuff and I don't know if we want to keep this thing going on but I'm going to make you aware that people are going to be are asking questions about it yeah we can't discuss that here just throwing it out there and that's all I have words Aaron okay what is foreign [Music]

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