04.18.2023 Pasco Board of County Commissioners Meeting (Morning Session)

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thank you [Music] foreign [Music] no yeah okay all right good morning I would like to call to order the Pasco County Board of County Commission 10 o'clock meeting of April 18 2023 at this time sounds all electronic devices in mutual phones please rise for the invocation and Pledge of Allegiance oh merciful Creator your hand is open wide to satisfy the needs of every living creature make us thankful for your loving Providence and Grant that we remembering the account that we must one day give may be faithful stewards of your good gifts amen amen to The Republic ANS Nation indivisible Madam clerk please call us the roll district one commissioner Oakley here District Two commissioner Weightman District three commissioner Starkey here District Four commissioner Bradford excused District 5 chairman Mariano here now is the time for public comment citizens are given an opportunity to comment on any current or future agenda item coming before the board and another business on the board's purview today's public comment will be handled as follows first we will take public comment from those who are here in person then we'll take public comment from those who have pre-registered for a WebEx link and are currently on Queue we request that when you address the board comments are not directed personally against a commissioner or team member but rather directed at the issues this provides mutual respect between the board members and the public after stating your name and address for the clerk a three-minute timer will be activated after two minutes a single beep will indicate you have one minute left when your time is up two beeps will sound and you should close your comments WebEx participants will be disconnected automatically when the time is up I know we have a list of people signed up I'd like to call Deb Eubanks first you knew it was going to happen this way late last night yeah um good morning my name is Deborah Eubanks I'm with Homeless Solutions of West Pasco 85 34 Lacy Drive Hudson Florida that we had a great meeting last night commissioner Mariano commissioner Starkey appreciate for being here and having that meeting for us and thank you to everyone who came and made it possible and worked helped work through all of this um there were a lot of great suggestions and many good points made but one problem I don't think we really went over is there are property owners that are not responding to the requests to get Tas to remove the homeless off their properties um without the Tas we all know we can't remove homeless of the camps off the properties

they're unsightly and unsanitary there are properties that camps have been cleared out of but the garbage the debris the clothing and all the remains from their housing still remain there are camps with Tas that are still active I'd given a list to the code and Sheriff's Office to have them removed and also to the coalition to see if they can go out and offer help to them I did that over a month ago but nothing seems to be happening I think maybe I saw one Camp cleared out um the property at the post office had the camps cleared out months ago but the garbage has never been cleaned up it just remains there the old structures are still left behind their um inviting the homeless to take up residence there again I think the solutions to these problems could be to write the citations for all the code violations to the landowners this will get their attention and maybe they will sign the Tas then they will allow for the property proper agencies to get the trespassers removed and the land cleaned up and if they don't respond then put the liens against their property and whatever punishment the law allows if they can't maintain their properties maybe they shouldn't have them thank you very much and I'll finish your minute off for you if you're online but you did a great job getting everybody together we had this room was packed with people last night and it was a animated dialogue across the way but I think we got to a lot of good points that could be done if you would email that to myself and the board we'll then go look at those that issue specifically a little bit further great thank you thank you very much you did a great job thank you um move to receive and filed the document that she had given second all in favor say aye aye actually I can't make the motion yeah I made a motion thank you very much but yes yes um I have Jim Jim followed by Leonard I think it's land Lord thank you I see it and thank you Troy Peterson and then someone didn't put their name down but I'll I'll say what you wrote in just a moment but go ahead come on up Mr Hammond thank you stay here it's coming up Jack or whose responses are these in red um okay good hi my name is Jim Hammond 23 742 Plantation Palms Boulevard Atlanta Lakes uh good morning good morning I've been president of Plantation Palms HOA gated Golf Course Community for the last eight years during that time we did The Impossible we brought back a golf course been sheltered for two years we then partnered with Pasco County on a very complex repair to our North Canal costing millions of dollars um we were ready for a new challenge like many HOAs we'd seen the growth of rentals and we decided we needed limits

we believed our homeowners wanted an owner-occupied environment corporate rentals consumed a disproportionate amount of resources accounted for more than their share of violations fines and collection issues Reynolds did not benefit the community only the investor if we didn't take action now it might be too late later on in order to do this we need to amend our governing documents which had never been done in our 20-year history Florida 720 required two-thirds of all homeowners to approve such a change it's a real difficult thing to do by providing strong leadership community volunteers clear messaging and a very ingenious process we were able to get 88 approval and complete the task not only did we limit future rental growth but we ban sex offenders Airbnb and VRBO type rentals and even their advertising Action News and Spectrum news did interviews and ran stories about our bold move a simple Post in next door generated over 7 000 views in just a few days I was contacted by over 50 HOA leaders representing 14 communities I've already reached out and spoken to many of them and the rest of them have sent packages of exactly what we did and how when we might be able to help them that's all been within six weeks so what can the the Commissioners do if you have HOAs in your community that are also maybe you know having the same issues we'd be happy to share information with them we've set up a new group of HOA leaders we've met twice already in both cases we had 14 or 15 communities represented and the list continues to grow maybe you'll recognize some of the communities that we've already been in touch with contacted me and I've spoken to Arbors at Wiregrass Asheville Creek Belle Chase Collier Place Connerton Connerton Villages deer park preserve Dupree Lake Fawn Ridge Foxwood hammocks uh Hidden River Huntington by The Village Indian Lakes Ivy Lake Estates Lake Forest Lake pageant Lake pageant East Lakes of Sable Ridge Meadow Point CDD Oak Ridge Oakstead Oakstead Townhomes Oxford Place Sable Ridge Silver Lakes South Bay Lakes Stonegate Suncoast Meadows Terra Bella the bay at Cypress Creek The Enclave the Lakes at Heron Cove The Preserve at Lake Thomas The Ridge of Wiregrass Valencia Gardens Village at Wesley Chapel Westbrook Estates Wilderness Lake Preserve Woodbridge and just yesterday Grand Oaks so thank you very much thank you if you would um maybe we could help you make contact with Kona the Civic associations for this side and let me get that get the word out to them I'm sure they'd love to hear what you've done okay thank you very much congratulations all right um Leonard Lord followed by Troy Peterson Leonard Lord I live at 9525 Sunbeam Drive Newport Richie for 45 years first

of all I just want to say I'm honored and blessed to be able to stand here and speak I know that you have a lot to do I represent somebody cures Pasco which means we're trying our best to cure with the gifting of the Lord and and work with you all and by the way with the homeless we are available to to clean up properties we've done that on quite a few occasions that the sheriff's department has got us and we have cleaned them up so we'd be willing to be a part of helping that Commissioners we do meet every Tuesday Morning particularly pray for y'all we call you by name and I want to thank you for taking the responsibility to make decisions for this County just encouraging me and you it says the government is upon his shoulders Jesus walked through this world with all of the things coming against him and showed the love and peace of the father and establish What's called the kingdom of God and we know what that is it's simply doing it God's way doing it in peace and doing it in Joy it's simply being empowered by God's presence in our life so I want to thank you all that we're able to serve but remember there's one common denominator that makes us one that's when we realize we've all messed up and there's one man the man Christ Jesus that fixed us up so we believe that through Pasco County and honoring the wisdom of the scripture and honoring Jesus Christ as Lord that we could be the greatest county around so thank you all very much and we appreciate that being able to serve you so let us help where we can thank you God bless you Troy Peterson excuse me bless you good morning I do have a National Day of Prayer flyer if Mr Stephen file second all in favor say aye aye aye good Troy Peterson 8114 Leo Kidd Road Port Richey Florida that slide of the world Tabernacle where I serve as the evangelists there with Pastor Leonard Lord uh I do come representing somebody cares Pasco as well and when I heard the first lady speak I was reminded of one of the great ladies friends of mine Marcy eastberg sitting in the room and she had reached out to somebody cares and asked the church somebody cares to get together to help clean up the camps behind McDonald's there at the end of 52. so that is exactly why we are here to honor our governing authorities to be ready for every good work and and to unite the body of Christ with the body of government that's you guys this morning I was praying and Pastor Leonard reminded me of a scripture when the Lord had washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion now listen we all have filth all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God there's not one righteous not one not one but the man Jesus Christ and see but when he washes us clean he sanctifies us he justifies Us by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ as Pastors in this community It's Our obligation to be

willing to serve but also bring the word of the Lord and this is the word of the Lord see the glory of the latter house shall be greater so it's our job to unite together to bring the glory of God to make wise decisions see that's why I've been presenting to you guys for a couple of years now to allow somebody cares Pasco not me not just Pastor Leonard Lord but the whole network of pastors to come and acknowledge the King of Kings the Lord of lords and our commissioner meetings that way we can be praying specific wisdom and counsel of God to deal with the things that we're dealing with with our County but more importantly because God wants to bless Paschal County he wants to bless it and in this scripture it talks about being a shade from the the heat to be a a resting place God wants Pasco County to be a resting place for that to happen we need to acknowledge the king in our invocation thank you for your time thank you next um the individual did not write their name but the topic said obstructed sidewalls code okay please step step forward thank you for go show 3735 Waterbury Drive in Newport Richie having an issue with the sidewalks people are parking uh Mockingbird is a very busy street and if you have to step out into the street you're taking your life in your hands there's a sign that says no parking any streets and 10 cars at any given day on both sides of the road I kept pulling the sheriff's office until they finally cleaned the one road up we have sidewalks that have boats on them we have sidewalks that have enclosed trailers there's a sidewalk here if you had an umbrella you would think you were at Clearwater Beach I fell on it three years ago and hurt my knee I'll be looking at a knee replacement in November and the homeowner has no insurance called code enforcement code enforcement directs me toward Road and Bridge Road and Bridge takes me to code enforcement they tell me it's a civil matter so I should need to take somebody to court to clean the sidewalks I mean what is code enforcement for I've called numerous times somebody's going to get hurt and it's right at the end of Mockingbird people come around the corner on two wheels so if you step out into the street you're going to get hit what happened to the American with disability acts I mean who do you call I don't understand I just wish somebody could direct me or help me get this problem taken care of I should be able to walk through my community that I pay taxes on I mean we have County police cars parking on the sidewalks County trucks parking and we're responsible for fixing the sidewalks so I just don't know who to go to or where to go to I just know I shouldn't have to spend my money to take somebody to court so I don't know if anybody's interested

in seeing a picture of the one that's move to receive and file yeah all in favor say aye aye okay is that all sir if you would um I've got Branford I'm a doula right here and then Alexander all from the sheriff's office right here they can both talk to you on the back and see if we get to a better resolution that you've got now thank you is there anyone else in the audience would like to speak and address the Commission in public comment is there anyone on WebEx no one's on WebEx close public comment s um that person yes uh Mr Ed blama come forward this is a new man on the street here so uh Edge from the Dade City area he's now uh representing uh are now Commissioner of Agriculture Mr Wilson Simpson and if you'd like to speak you can we just want to welcome you and your new face to our other group of who you represent we see other people representing other Representatives like Bob Hatfield with gospel rackus and others and we certainly appreciate uh you being here and representing our Commissioner of Agriculture thank you thank you commissioner 36638 Blanton Road Ed blommel and I'm new on the job it's not a second career I promise you I'm not going to be there 30 years but I have learned a lot about what the Commissioner of Agriculture and consumer service does for us in the State of Florida and it's it's pretty magnificent when you stop and think about everything that we eat consume and pretty much everything that we buy is touched by and protected by the Department of Agriculture so I'm here to serve the residents of a region which includes Pasco County so if there's any way that I can help you I know you all have direct contact with the commissioner I'm not here to get the assembling block but if there's ever anything that I can do to help you please give me a call I appreciate it very much thank you good it would greatly appreciate you you're a great Citizen and I'm glad you're stepping up to the role so thank you I'll be calling you um we're going to go that way I see pampaon from uh representative Jaegers here would like to address this as well or just say hello okay well thank you thank you for being here as well all right now is the time for Resolutions Madam clerk would you read the first resolution um is anyone here for building safety month thank you please step forward to the podium all right come on down a whole bunch of people I'll go ahead and I'll read the resolution resolution number 23-1-02 a resolution by the board of County commissioners of Pasco County

Florida declaring the month of May is building safety month in Pasco County whereas Paso county is committed to recognizing that our growth and strength depends on the safety and essential role our homes buildings and infrastructure play both in everyday life and when disaster strike and res our confidence in the resilience of these buildings that make up our community is achieved through the devotion of vigilant Guardians the safety and Fire Prevention officials Architects Engineers Builders trades trades people design professionals laborers plumbers and many others in the construction industry who work year round to ensure the safe construction of buildings and whereas these Guardians are dedicated members of the International Code Council a not-for-profit that brings together local state territorial tribal and federal officials who are experts in the built environment to create and implement the high quality codes to protect us in the buildings where we live learn work and play and whereas these modern building codes include safeguards to protect the public from hazards such as hurricane storm Waters tornadoes what Wildland fires floods and earthquakes and Raz Building Safety month is sponsored by the International Code Council to remind the public about the critical role our communities largely unknown Protectors of Public Safety are local code enforcement officials each I'm sorry who ensure our safety sustainability and affordable buildings that are essential to our prosperity and whereas it starts with you the theme for building safety month 2023 encourage us all to raise awareness about building safety on a personal local and global scale and res each year the observance of building safety month people all over the world are asked to consider the commitment to improve Building Safety resilience and economic investment at home and in the community and to acknowledge the essential service provided to all of us by our local State Building departments fire prevention bureaus and federal agencies in protecting lives and property now therefore be it resolved by the board of County commissioners of Pasco County Florida that said board hereby proclaims the month of May 2023 is building safety month accordingly we encourage Pasco County Citizens to join us as we participate in building safety month activities done and resolved in regular session with a corn present and voting this 18th day of April 2023. well approval second thank you thank you chairman you know the job that you all do is Monumental especially with the volume of growth that we've had in Pasco over the last three years and uh you know I think it's important that we recognize you that you're also a consumer Advocate you're making sure that the home in the buildings that our businesses and our residents move into are safe for them and the customers and the folks that utilize the buildings so

it's an honor for me to to give you this resolution today and and recognize you all on your team for the volume of work that you handle for us we know you take some uh some lumps from time to time like we all do in the customer service business but thank you and uh welcome to have each one of your team say a few words or or uh you know share some of the highlights of of you of your uh your day uh well special thank you commissioner Weightman for sponsoring this Proclamation for us and thank you Mr chair Commissioners Madam clerk for the wonderful reading and Mrs karbala and Goldstein I imagine if we pulled the commission as to what their daily number one priority is it sounds a lot like the Safety and Security of our residents at Priority One and for the month of May we'll be bringing awareness to the role that Pasco County plays in ensuring the places where we live learn work worship and play are safe Building Safety month is a time when we focus on the importance of safe and resilient buildings and the critical role that building codes inspectors and a team of building safety professionals play in keeping Pasco residents safe it takes a great team of professionals to carry out this Mission and Building Safety months is about building safety awareness so we want to take this time to recognize the diligent efforts of men and women serving and building construction services and fire prevention who alone last year oversaw over 65 000 permits and nearly 300 000 inspections for our building officials fire prevention officers and licensed professionals and plan review inspections and contractor licensing Building Safety is a mission of passion and life safety is Paramount and sometimes it's even personal many of us can remember at least one time in our lives and we needed to feel that certainty of the structure around us was safe and secure and since we're all Floridians we probably have a lot more than that just one time we can think of for me I remember being 10 years old watching the roof of our Miami home collapse after the eye of Hurricane Andrew passed overhead that storm changed many things notably it's the reason Florida now leads the nation in hurricane-related building code and enforcement it's also what I'm reminded of when I think of how important it is to uphold these building codes every day and what we do here at Pasco County and hurricanes are just one risk category consider all of the other perils that face our buildings and structures fire flood devastating leaks structural collapse these are just some of the things that the men and women of BCS and Fire Prevention concerns himself with every day but they can't just be the only ones worrying about safety this year's campaign it starts with you raises awareness about the role we all play in ensuring safety each week of May will

feature a different sub theme like building starts at home prepare your community or my favorite Building Safety Professionals in you where you get to get a glimpse of what it is that we do as professionals and this is also my opportunity to shamelessly plug that becs is always hiring and we have many different roles across the department um we're hiring for those newer positions and we're delighted to discuss a future with BCS where we serve our community to create no strike build a better future that's our modification of it um it takes more than plan reviewers inspectors to ensure that 4.6 billion dollars annually worth of in construction gets built safely and we aim to work closely with home builders contractors plumbers roofers and other trades to enhance Public Safety in addition to the awareness campaigns like this one we regularly meet with industry stakeholders and are proud to have a great partnership with the Tampa Bay Builders Association and are constantly working to find solutions to improve services to provide building community and residents of Pasco County we take pleasure in serving the citizens and our gratefulness for this opportunity and we thank you for your support well I want to anyone else want to speak no okay I'd like to say I'd like to thank all the great work you guys do with the third fastest growing County in Florida the work load that you guys is huge I know all of us I know Sonia were sitting right over there makes many calls to you guys and we send emails out and we're just trying to help as commissioner Whiteman says it's a customer customer driven thing as far as we don't call you unless they call us but I want to say that the Ingenuity that you guys can show has is great as to the one we just worked on where we had the gentleman over on the on the canal we got through that process and we set a good template because we solved another situation with another person down the road so you know nothing's you're working on pieces of paper you're working on codes that are there and interpreting sometimes can be a little bit tricky as far as what you can do what you can't do safety is absolutely the priority so uh we'll never want to overstep that but if we can find ways to keep things moving we do want to keep moving and I want to thank you for the huge workload you guys pushed through that uh we stand with you just trying to help you go through the process as we help our people too so I thought well thank you all I think we've got so many people there commissioner Weightman if you want to go down we can all stand behind Maybe and I think Mike and Sally should come on up [Laughter] sure this camera works please everybody and then look at me thank you [Applause] so tall from now we're gonna have to move a little bit more to the right

Mr chair if I may I'd like to add on to that just a little bit um you know since assuming the role of County Administrator have actually been able to to engage a lot with with with these fine folks and I can tell you it is a it is a difficult job to be uh in in the customer service business when you're when you're a regulator it would be like me thanking the IRS for taking a check I'm going to write them today but but these folks do a fantastic job in everything that they do and I know that they're hard working and they're very dedicated oftentimes working weekends and evenings to make sure that we get CEOs and tcos out to people so business can get started up so um uh anyways my my personal thanks to them as well for everything that they have done Mike and I want to thank you for the great in intent and the in the purposefulness you're showing to like help these processes go through um you know tremendous expertise you have in the industry as well that we've seen coming up is transcending I think in permitting so it is getting better and better uh you and Sally both were great in coming out and listening to the people talk and then taking that information working from or so I know we're heading the right direction uh JJ great speech by the way uh Ms Murphy um but I mean with all that said I think we're heading the right way to get the things done I know the intents there and again you got to have the safety in place first but you're doing a fantastic job as everybody is we're getting better and better so thank you all right okay rs2 new one is here for National Community Development week please come to the podium all right all right I'll go ahead and read the resolution resolution number 23-099 a resolution by the board of County commissioners of Pasco County Florida declaring the week of April 10th through the 15th 2023 as National Community Development week whereas Pasco County's communities are the foundation for providing a high quality of life for its residents and Pasco County's Community Development Department has demonstrated a dedication to the revitalization of neighborhoods and production of affordable housing and whereas the week of April 10th through the 15th 2023 has been designated as National Community Development week by the National Association of counties and the national Community Development Association to celebrate the Community Development block grant cdbg program and the home investment partnership home program Andres cdbg program and the home program provide annual funding and flexibility to local communities to provide decent safe and affordable housing and a suitable living environment for economic opportunities to low and moderate income low and moderate income citizens and Raz over the past 10 10 years our community has received a total of 27 million eight hundred twenty thousand seven hundred

and five dollars in cdbg funding and ten thousand seven hundred fifty one thousand four hundred and seventy two million dollars in home funding and 8 million three hundred forty eight thousand seven hundred and thirty one dollars in coronavirus relief funds from Housing and Urban Development and whereas a grant of over 1.2 million utilizing Community Development block grant funding was used in partnership with the Coalition for the homeless of Pasco County to renovate the former boys and girls club bringing building sorry boys and clubs building for a family service center managed by Catholic Charities and whereas this past January the family shelter received the 2023 Audrey Nelson Achievement Award for Community Development from the national Community Development Association as an exemplary and Innovative Community Development block grant project and rise in addition to this award the Family Services Center served 34 families for the first year with 62 percent moving to permanent housing opportunities of their choice andras cdbg home and coronavirus relief funds have been helped have helped support 277 households for rental assistance and renovated 77 multi-family units in rehabilitated rehabilitated 35 owner occupied units with 100 percent of the fund's expended benefiting low to moderate income households now therefore be it resolved by the board of County commissioners of Pasco County Florida that said board hereby declares the week of April 10th through the 15th 2023 as National Community Development week done and resolved in regular session with a quorum present and voting this 18th day of April 2023. move to approve second all in favor say aye aye commissioner Starkey well I'm really honored that you asked me to sponsor this and you know when I joined Naco and and joined the community Economic Development Workforce board I really knew very little about the community and um Community part of it and it's and I still I still don't know a lot but I'm on this Learning Journey with these Commissioners and but I do know one thing that we have one of the top Community Development offices I think in the state if not the country so Marcy what you've done since you've come here I'm just so glad that you worked with us and for us for the citizens of Pasco you know last night we had a a great meeting Jack and um there's a lot of concern and passion in our community for helping those less fortunate so I'm really grateful for all you do for us and that um and that you won that award that's not the first time right no so I actually was thinking while they were reading this that we should be putting that in for one of the Naco achievement awards but I'm just uh uh grateful for all you do for us so congratulations thank you commissioner Starkey Marcy s Burke director of Pasco County Community Development and thank you for sponsoring

today's resolution I'd also like to thank all of the Commissioners for their support and for their commitment to the projects and the programs that we run through our office with the Community Development block grant the home funds as well as the emergency Solutions Grant These funds are specifically used to help our low and moderate income residents and as the commissioner said you know there's a lot of talk a lot of discussion last night about helping our homeless and that is part of our core Mission and we do use a lot of our funding for homeless initiatives in addition to thanking all of you I'd like to thank the team that is standing behind me while we don't do a lot of direct service we do some direct service and so that means that when we're helping people stay in their homes or helping them fix their homes up we're working with people that are very vulnerable that are at a time in their life where where their experiencing difficulties so this team behind me they come to work with a smile on their face every day and a passion in their heart to really make a difference and that's what drives them and that's what keeps them going even through the difficult times so I especially want to thank them and lastly I want to uh thank our partner agencies so we just released thanks to Media Communications a beautiful video yesterday about the core part of our mission which is to work with partner agencies and we do that because our team here and really County government is not responsible to do everything for all the things that are needed in our County so we really depend on our partner agencies to work with us especially to serve those people that are most vulnerable and as we mentioned we were in Washington DC in January to pick up this award this Audrey Nelson Community Development Achievement Award in recognition of exemplary and Innovative use of the Community Development block grant and Community Development block grant coronavirus funds to address the needs of low and moderate income families homes and neighborhoods and I am really pleased today that I get a chance to along with thanking all of you to bring Maggie Rogers up for Catholic Charities so that she can share in this award and share in the work and the congratulations because if it wasn't for her and her organization doing the work that they're doing at the Family Services Center we wouldn't have so many people going from homelessness to housing so thank you Maggie hi Maggie Rogers executive director for Catholic Charities again thank you all because of your support of awarding us this funding we are able to continue to serve the families in in Pasco County and expanding our services with affordable housing and another shelter and we're just really looking forward to continuing to serve the Pasco County community and again thank you so much the the folks standing here beside me today have just been wonderful to work with and and they really have a passion for serving the community as well and so

it's just an absolute pleasure to be here thank you very good thank you so we can't wait to take pictures with you all and I wanted you to know that we have commemorative items to give out too oh so that's so exciting for us because we don't usually have that all right before we get to that commissioner Oakley uh Marcel I certainly appreciate everything you do and your whole team and what you do for this County and for the citizens in the county so I know your reward is when you get these things done I I know how that feels and it's more than just having good pay and that type thing for for what what you do but the fact that you uh get rewarded because you're making some a difference in somebody's life in our citizens so certainly appreciate that and the work y'all do so thank every one of you as well um the work you do is critical for the county um your creativity your passion is is definitely what drives these Awards to get done so keep that up keep that working and Maggie we look forward to working with you for many other projects in the future and trying to help as many people as we can so thank you all for all you do Mr chair if I could also add add something too thank you uh Marcy team that that passion was on full display last week at your open house I don't know if you knew it but Community Development had an open house last week they had over a hundred people attend to promote interest in in the programs and I tell you that the folks there were great I learned a ton of stuff about what it is that you do and I mean it is it is it is just fantastic so appreciate that you took input from the community as well which I think is going to start to shape future programs so just thank you for leaning forward on that too but great job by all this team thank you all right would you guys want to Clump into the picture yeah it's not in the appropriate spot Mr chairman you're okay okay stand in front of him [Music] with me I'm saying something do you guys know how to stand right here wow she can sit in front of any trouble here all right thank you and then look at me [Applause] thank you thank you oh thanks another RS3 all right is anyone here from Med Fleet all right please step up to the podium oh thank you Mercy all right I'll go ahead and I'll read the resolution resolution number 23-100 a resolution by the board of County commissioners of Pasco County Florida congratulating Med Fleet LLC on its 30th anniversary with many years of support and dedication to the Pasco County Community whereas medfleet LLC was established in May 1993 by the Williams family who at the time was operating a single vehicle out of their station in Zephyrhills Florida and whereas since its Inception in 1993 Med Fleet Inc has been committed to providing both emergency and Non-Emergency

inter-facility transports to in the Western and Central regions of Florida andras medfleet Inc was required was acquired by patient care EMS Solutions in February of 2020 and changed their structure and name to medfleet LLC Andres medfleet LLC maintains multiple contracts with area hospitals nursing homes and other health care facilities as its primary Mission and partners with County fire departments providing backup 9-1-1 service when requested Andres medfleet LLC provides a large range of services such as Hospital discharges Hospice Services doctors appointments outpatient Diagnostics Surgical and rehabilitation services and rasmed Fleet LLC trained professionals will transfer clients to and from this the stretcher secure them in the vehicle ensure their comfort and safety throughout the transport to their destination and will also transport clients by stretcher to an airport or to any destination out of the area and whereas medfleet LLC is now based in Hudson Florida and has over 30 vehicles in the fleet and over 200 employees that service that services Pasco Hernando Pinellas and Polk County's Andres medfleet LLC serves as a mutual Aid partner to our local fire department local County fire departments ensuring that they have backup resources in times of high call volumes and medfleet LLC also provides lals and BLS ambulance medical standby for sporting events 5K races and other special events and whereas the board of County Commissioners encourages all citizens to recognize Med Fleet LLC for their significant impact it has made and continues to make as a critical part of the emergency medical system and their commitment to the counties they serve now therefore be it resolved by the board of County commissioners of Pasco County Florida that said that said board hereby congratulates Med Fleet LLC on its 30th anniversary with many years of support and dedication to the Pasco County Community done and resolved in regular session with a quorum president voting this 18th day of April 2023. approval Beckett well in favor say aye aye well I want to say congratulations for 30 years with medfleet I know you guys have taken it over recently and I want to say the help that medfleet gives our Fire EMS is phenomenal to help you give other hospitals you take away the burden of the things that we used to do and now when we don't have the time to go do it you guys can step in and fill a very vital role which helps keeps taxes down and still gives provides good service so greatly appreciate it your new facility is phenomenal I know you brought our staffs down to take a look at it so they were very very impressed with it so I think you're doing a great job and congratulations so I would like to start off by saying thank you to Chairman Mariano and the other Commissioners and staff medfleet has been around for a very long time we have gone through a lot of change and when we go from you know one one vehicle in one building 30 years ago to having you know four vehicle or sorry

four buildings and over 30 ambulances today that's a big change when we've gone from a very minimal number of employees we're now up to over 220 since so it's been a jump since the resolution was was written but those are very positive pieces for us we're in the county hospitals every day providing not only normal transports but also life-threatening transports and that will get our life saving and we'll get the the patients from a facility to a higher level of care it is one thing that the employees if they were here today they would tell you they love going out and taking care of people our motto is people care right that's what we do we take care of people and that starts with our folks inside of the company as well as those that we go out and we provide services for um we could not do this without the support of the county the support of the fire department I will say that life has changed for everyone since the pandemic and where we thought that this whole side of the business may slow down it's done just the opposite last year alone we were over nine and a half percent above the prior year and this year we're sitting almost 19 percent ahead of last year and talking to the hospital CEOs just this past two days they're like when does it stop and I said I'm I'm not sure that it does anymore you know we used to have a lot of seasonality in our in our volume the seasons have kind of gone away it's just busy hospitals and stays are longer by probably twofold when they need our patient their patients moved out they call us because otherwise what happens is the fire departments transport into these facilities and now they're stuck they're waiting for beds to be available so while we're not necessarily running a lot of 9-1-1 calls the work that we do puts these 911 ambulances right back in service as fast as we can possibly get them there so from all the folks at medfleet I want to thank you we are celebrating officially the week of the 22nd of this year it's National EMS week Emergency Medical Services week we'll be having an open house on the 23rd I know that's a board day but if there's anyone that can come by we would absolutely welcome it our employees will be there obviously it will be there but this is just a really special time of year for the industry as a whole with Emergency Medical Services week but especially from medfleet with our 30th anniversary to add to the community and some of you are aware already we've also opened up a new division called Patient Care Community Health it's truly to reach out to those people that don't necessarily need to go to the doctor's office or to the hospital but we go to their homes and we evaluate them and treat them in their homes so it's a new area that we've we've recognized is kind of the way of the future and we're trying to grow that and build that to go take care of people where it's most appropriate and give them the care that they need on behalf of athlete thank you so much for this resolution we will proudly display

it and present it to all of our employees in the coming days thank you thank you all right should we go for a picture yeah [Music]

right here first everybody thank you thank you thank you everyone thank you

okay Now's the Time for the consent agenda I have a few items to be pulled one more resolution I'm gonna pull out okay um we're gonna pull item c22 which is withdrawn C32 [Music] we're going to pull AC 689 which was an addendum and then item C4 we're going to pull are there any other pulls to be done with the consent agenda I think none may have emotion to approve the consent agenda second all in favor say aye aye aye okay now let's go first to C4 National Day of Prayer uh pastors come on up and I pulled this item just because we had could have had another commissioner to do it but I think there might have been some confusion but I think it's definitely worthy of doing a full and presentation so metal flare I will go ahead and read the resolution resolution number 23-101 a resolution by the board of County commissioners of Pasco County Florida observing Thursday May 4th 2023 as the National Day of Prayer in Pasco County whereas a National Day of Prayer is an event deeply rooted in our County's history dating back to the First Continental Congress in 1775. in 1952 Congress passed a joint resolution recognizing a National Day of Prayer in 1988 President Ronald Reagan signed a law stating setting aside the first Thursday of May as the date on which the National Day of Prayer is officially observed and or as a National Day of Prayer unites Americans from all social economic political and ethnic backgrounds in prayer for our nation this diversity was intended by Congress when it designated the National Day of Prayer not that every faith and I'm sorry not that every faith and Creed would be homogenized sorry but that all who sought to pray for this nation would be encouraged to do so in any manner deemed appropriate and whereas during this important time in our nation's history we continue to give thanks and pray for the brave members of our Armed Forces who are defending our freedom and and their families we humbly ask God for their protection for the recovery of the wounded and for peace throughout the world which we all seek and Raz on Thursday May 4th 2023 Americans will unite all over the country in prayer for our nation state and local communities giving thanks for the many blessings we have received and asking for protection and blessings upon our nation and our nation's leaders now therefore be it resolved by the board of County commissioners of Pasco County Florida that said board hereby observes Thursday May 4th 2023 as a National Day of Prayer and encourages all citizens to join in observing this day with appropriate programs ceremonies and activities Denon resolved in regular session with a quorum present and voting this 18th day of April 2023.

motion move approval second all in favor say aye well I'm delighted to present the resolution to you gentlemen uh mem um National Day of Prayer was something very special to me I think the whole board as well when years ago they talked about canceling the National Day of Prayer we still had ours and and carried on and uh glad to see it's going to stay in the Forefront we're doing on both sides of the county now so there's opportunities for for everyone to participate and I want to say it's very inspiring every time we do it and greatly appreciate you guys carrying on the tradition commissioner waitman thank you pastors Lord and Troy I appreciate coming here you know every every meeting that you guys are here and you come up to the podium and and uh you know speak speak from the heart and read the Bible it's it's important that it's not forgotten um I figure it's appropriate time but I'm not exactly thrilled with our current prayer that we say here uh in this boardroom I um not much substance to it in my opinion and coming into National Prayer maybe maybe we'll reconsider about putting the Ten Commandments back up on this wall so yeah I'll leave the comments of there and thank you guys for being here uh the Tuesday of each month okay who knows okay yeah I'm going to take a picture it's okay no no I'm sorry I'm just hoping to make uh our event uh upcoming it so I'm grateful that you do this for us every year and we always look forward to it so thank you uh do you want to say a few words for us sorry you know I just I thank you uh chair Mariano for this opportunity and as a combat veteran of foreign war I understand the importance of prayer it was through them prayers that God spared me and if we truly understand if my people that's us Christians if we would humble ourselves and pray and turn from our own evil and Wicked Ways then God will forgive our sins and heal our land so prayer is very important and I thank you and all the staff even just thinking about all the chairs being set up out there every year how commissioner Mariano you've you've made this an inviting place and also business owners like the one standing next to me you know I've really taken this as an opportunity for Community to come to come together to pray so thank you thank you I did want to say something really exciting has happened you know Billy Graham you know the great Billy Graham he administered in Korea well Korea has been praying for America and something real need is happening that there's going to be in 40 Nations Across America the Koreans are coming just to intercede for us and pray for America for the Times we're going through so Daniel Bernard if somebody cures Tampa Bay we represent will be picking them up the third that's the Wednesday before we're

here and they will be going around the area praying and we're so honored that he's coming to Pasco County first so the Wednesday before the National Day of Prayer they will well they'll land at midnight Tuesday then 11 o'clock they'll come over to 8114 Leo kid Avenue in Port Richey and there they will begin to pray they've got an interpreter and so they're going to share as they pray what God feels has for America to me this is exciting we were a light to the world and reached everywhere and for some reason losing our Zeal for the Lord now these Koreans are coming and we're so excited we believe it's going to be very instrumental in connecting that Nation with this nation and others as we pray that Wednesday and then join here the National Day of Prayer so it's really exciting and I want to thank Daniel for his vision he's been here you've recognized the National Prayer so thank you so much the scripture says first of all prayer for y'all and those in Authority that we might lead quite Peaceable lives one mediator between God and man that he might be testified he's the Blessed open anchor of our soul so thank you so much God bless you thank you and commissioner waveman I think it's I'm glad you made those comments and I think when attorney steinstein is back we're going to have that discussion again a little bit more detail somehow they can do it in the state house taking that prayer somehow they have it in the Port Richey Swift Mud so um I'm more than willing to open that discussion up again thank you chairman okay so we'll come down take a picture thank you

everybody right here first please thank you great thanks [Applause] giving away seven years so Pastor Lord Troy Ben um as you know I've I've received my first Cross Pin I want to say it was Memorial day at Beacon Woods 17 years ago and I've had that a cross pin on my suits since that point in time I've given away probably seven thousand of them and I've gotten more ordered I hope to have them for the National Day of Prayer we'll hand them out again so thank you yeah and we we appreciate it because really it's at that cross that's the road where our calendar changed and they changed the coward recognizing that there was a life before Christ and a life after Christ and thank goodness we're living this side of the Cross full of his mercy and Grace so thank you that commissioner I know you've gotten plenty to me we've even given them out at Port Richey when we were there and uh when we were honoring our veterans able to give those out so thank you so much all right thank you okay um so c22 was pulled I mean a withdrawn so C32 commissioner Whiteman thanks chairman I simply pulled this this item just because the dollar value of the contract 76 million dollars on consent so I just wanted to pull it and recognize that hey we're we're reading the consent agenda and um it just wasn't comfortable just pushing an item that large through consent but there's any other comments Mr karbala yeah I think I could ask you know obviously the nature of the contract is is Paving they're multi-year contracts I think I'd asked Mr Breitenbach to kind of explain uh the difference when we talk about contract Authority versus budget Authority on some of these items and how they're both a little different Eric members of the board Eric Breitenbach assistant County Administrator for internal Services although the dollar value stated on this contract is 76 million dollars this is what effectively the board will be doing is awarding a contract and setting a cap capacity over five years for work that can be done up to 76 million dollars so it's a a contract capacity individual projects as they come up and as Public Works identifies roads that need to be repaved then they'll actually expend dollars but this is a we're setting a contract capacity versus actually spending dollars today with this contract and I think it's a great way to do it because when you do it that way you don't have to renew every single year and we've had time we've had gaps we had overlap et cetera so doing a five-year extension uh all a five-year contract all the way through is is the best way to go for efficiency yes sir and I will add this is uh contract to two two

contracts one to two different vendors to increase the flexibility of the operational needs of Public Works to tell you that both of them are doing a great job for us so we're press elections I got a motion to approve second all in favor say aye aye aye okay thank you and AC 89 Mr Whiteman thank you Mr chair uh this item after speaking with County attorney Goldstein just in abundance of caution I'm going to abstain from voting on this item there's a solid waste contract that's associated with this so we'll step out so just want to put that on the record okay very good any other discussion approval you have a motion second all in favor say aye aye and commissioner Weightman as abstains no go regular items and we have a presentation on platted Bill to rent developments that's Adam Thomas leaving I want to say Adam that's our team that was just out with us at seven o'clock this morning uh turn the west side of the county gentlemen thank you and hope you can help us out with Source development thank you good morning Commissioners Sally Sherman Deputy County Administrator assistant County Administrator for development services I'm here this morning to present to you planning and development item PDD 230307 um as you recall back in January uh this year the board provided direction to staff to bring back a policy to develop some guidelines as it relates to certain projects what they deemed as built to rent multi-family development this is a new form of development that is happening with multi-family developments all across the State of Florida and in my research is happening all across the United States housing types for these Bill to rent developments include your destructed multi-family horizontal Apartments Cottages townhouses duplex and even some single family detached and unplanned detached single-family units before I go any further I want to thank a number of people Victorious pitos our planning Direct after a group of stakeholders that met with us on a regular basis to discuss this matter as well as meeting with each of you this has been a journey of learning about this new type of product that is coming online and so it's with that feedback that this memo has then it's being brought forward um I want to also say that this memo represents just one portion or one step in addressing on this matter knowing that there's more to come the more that we looked into it the more we learned and understood especially with working with those stakeholders that are involved so I'm going to touch on that a little bit later letting you know other things that will be coming down the pike So based on this wonderful Journey that we've taken Mr pito's developed a planning policy memos 16 that's going to address the bill to rent housing utilizing your typical single family

I I don't think I didn't look at that as like I'm looking at it today but I never lived in one so uh I was there for a little over a year and it it's just so confusing especially without a manager on site or one that you can get hold of just ask a simpler question yeah about something it's a good point I'm glad you picked up on that yeah Mr William thank you Sal are you I think we have is this conclude your presentation I was gonna say let's let's roll through obviously this is something we brought forth and we have a whole bunch of commentary around this so I don't want side to be derailed from the direction we're going um so I'll wait until she's done very good okay okay um with that said uh the next portion of is uh we're gonna do a six-month evaluation that's what we've been doing on these um memos so that we take we learn if there's something we need to go in and make some minor adjustments that we don't feel deviate substantially from what the board Direction has been we will make those but if we find that they are substantive changes that we need to bring back to the board we will bring it back um next is really getting to the conclusion and really again the key on this is that these are single family detached built to rent products and not multi-family products they will be required to plot as single-family developments when you have a large development that is just single family they will be required to plot um then there they fall and these are appropriate in your MPD mpud development districts and your single family zoning districts and not in your multi-family zoning districts importantly again it will be required to be plotted some of the future policies that will be we'll be looking at I'll just is that we're going to be you look at it we'll be looking at the um 40 foot and 50 foot lot width and I can tell you that one is currently on the way we've already started work on that and the bill to rent that is for your horizontal Apartments um we're also that's additional one that is going to be tackled um I also it would be remiss if I didn't point out something and thank you David for your email that when we were in tune to what you had shared with us on our presentation that worked with Ralph Lair and thank him for his recent information we have Senate Bill 1604 and house bill 439. one of the things that you need to know is everything that we're doing with regard to certain design standards maybe um preempted by those two bills and um so I just wanted to make you aware of that David did you have any other comments on that no just a clarification

point on the slide you have up so the memo that's before the board today is only dealing with build the rent that has individual driveways is that correct individual driveways and detach or attached garages that are okay so you're not today we're not dealing with the horizontal apartments that have Common parking areas is that correct no sir that's um the horizontal Apartments is a future memo that we'll be working on okay but I think the point Still Remains someone needs to be some some manager needs to be living there so but I wanted to follow up on the legislative point by classifying this product as single family there is now that risk that you're going to be preempted from regulating architectural features of that legislation passes because there's currently an exception in the legislation for mpds and planning unit developments the legislature is now proposing to remove that exception which basically would preempt your ability to regulate architecture on any single family dwelling it is not preempt you from regulating on multi-family though that's why this is a timely discussion but we have another issue a multi-family as commissioner Whiteman knows which is as you've classified as multifamily that means under a different bill you have to now allow it in your commercial and Industrial zoning districts properties to be used for so damned if you do damned if you don't okay it's crazy sorry I'm going to text Brad right now that was and finally we're here for recommendation from our the board on policy memo 16 confirming the proposed language of the attached policy memorandum directed director Planning Development Department to begin implementation of the policy guidance and a memorandum through revised mpud conditions of approval which shall apply to new mpuds that have yet been heard by the Planning and Zoning commission or the vo pH and the planning committee also we are open to an alternative motion to implement the policy guidance and the memorandum with revisions as may be directed by the board commission women thank you we all right it's a big apple to take a bite out of obviously and with what's going on up north Florida um it's given us a lot to talk about but Sally I don't think you I don't see Terry here but but thank you all for addressing this issue this this issue has become kind of our we're really number one policy focus in in my office and Andy knows it and thank you to Andy and Terry uh in our office and in helping us understand what all of this means right

um and it really started off as a quality control mechanism for what was being built here good quality product so appreciate the memo and what this memo does it's a great start I'm very happy that we've got it here timely but by no means this is a Victory lap this is just step one in the process of figuring out how to manage this type of product as it comes into comes into the market and obviously I think there's going to be a broader discussion especially with some of the rules that may be may be coming down if a business promotes them if these this product comes comes to town and they promote themselves as their single family they need to meet the single family standards that this board set in place they need to follow the architectural design standards that the previous board set in place and it and it goes to show that this is true because the Tampa Bay Business Journal wrote a very timely article which solidified our point to bring this topic up and it says the the Builder that's quoted in in the article and the best part of it was the future the future res they offer future residents The Best of Both Worlds an upscale single-family rental living experience promoting themselves is a single family home product and if we tie this in to our true single family home product where there's an actual homeowner and skin in the game of owning a product versus a hedge fund or somewhere somebody else out of state owning these these things you know these folks they meet with all of us they say oh we're never going to sell our product where business is going to last forever I respectfully don't necessarily believe it they're they're working their bottom line and they come in here they build a product and then they bolt whether it's 5 10 15 years it's going to happen it's business and I can appreciate that but if we're going to allow a product like this to be built here in our County I want to ensure the quality and value is there in that the there's not an erosion down the line of this product that's going to have an impact on neighboring single-family product because people come in they see these things oh it's a single family they may not realize it what's next to them is rental if you get a bad actor in there and they're not maintaining gutters they're not maintaining the different pieces of the single family rental living experience depending on who owns it it's just it's just going to potentially lead because of the connectivity piece that we're very sensitive to because commissioner starkey's led the way it's it kind of should it should fit in into

the model somehow but we cannot let this product erode away the quality product wrote away over time and have a negative impact on the true single-family home buyer and the residents in the in in the property owners in our County so I very much appreciate what you guys have done and worked into this I know been a lot of hours I appreciate the stakeholders uh in the building community that have led that lend their time to help understand this and and and and added their input it's always it's always very important and I think they understand the value in having this conversation in as we continue to build in Pasco we're building we're building product that's going to create value and and take our County into a good place to be for for housing um I think with the architectural design standards piece I think that's a different conversation related to this but with with is related to this memo uh I'm very grateful that you all did this timely I hope we worked expeditiously to fill the hole in the donut um uh that way we can ensure that quality control standards are there and there can't be any gaming in our policy to kind of any workarounds that uh allow bad product to come in so thank you Mr Oakley how do we correct the ones that are there how do we get them to be plotted lots and so we don't have an issue in our future that's that's way down the for us back we've left that gate and we're on past that commissioner I'd have to work with uh attorney's office I'm not sure in my experience if there's a way or an opening for us to go back and rectify something that was approved a number of years ago and to bring into some standards I know that maybe the rental registry that we have could help us by connecting us with whoever the management company is and try and put a little a little bit more teeth behind enforcement but I'm not quite sure how we can retroactively address it yeah Mr Charles if the project was not developed in accordance with single family standards it doesn't meet typical setback standards for single-family Lots it's going to be very difficult for you to retroactively require them to plot yeah without a lot of variances and alternative because it wasn't designed to meet single family standards that's the importance of this memo is that staff is basically saying on a going forward basis if they have the driveways and individual garages they are going to have to meet single-family standards and plot but it's very difficult to retroactively plan a project that wasn't developed to those standards well the problem is we have them now and how did we actually get them built I mean I wasn't aware they were not plotted Lots because that's what it looked like that's what it felt like I think it stopped was

preventing them as a multi-family the same way they would an apartment complex yeah yeah I don't think that was very clear when we when we saw that at the beginning because I remember voting on the project commissioner Stuckey yeah I think we're learning a lot as we we go through this but I I you know I do feel that there is a place for these because um some people don't want to live in an apartment complex you know they'd like to have a rental that yeah that um feels more like a house especially if you have a dog I think that would really be a Advantage for someone but um but there's real there's really a lot to think about here because usually if you're in an apartment you have a clubhouse with a meeting space and a pool you definitely have a leasing office um don't have that with this yeah and I mean we need to be thinking about those things the other thing is I don't remember when it was um going back to the platted versus unplatted I do remember when there was a time when Apartments flipped to become condos when was that it was around the 90s you start seeing them start in that direction especially for those con the apartments that were starting to become older they started flipping I know some portions of it and some all the way and they started selling them off as condo units yeah so um I mean I would think there is that possibility that some of these Bill to rents could become condoed and I think we talked about that yesterday so there there may be a mechanism but I agree we have to make sure we are not building future slum areas in the county we have to have some protections what's the problem problem I see they're not affordable because 1200 square foot three bedroom two bath 22 2400 there's there's not many people can afford to do that that's a rental but it's a house but I wouldn't consider those affordable housing sure commission William thank you going I know we're talking about retroactively I know there was uh there was at least one project that came in my time in commissioner Bradford's time here how many I'd like to understand how many of these this type of product and project that we'll have coming forward that will not have to follow these new design standards if they haven't broke ground and started building it if there's another Vote or another conversation I'd really would like to be able to try to bring those those products projects now that we kind of understand we understand what they are up to these up to these standards already approved so concession

is be built but need to be built with the quality control standards and mechanisms that are in place it may take a little bit more time on County attorneys behalf now because and I think it's worth it to have spend a little more time if there is the ability to make a a change for the better and they're going to be built regardless because 10 15 years down the road we don't know what what these things may turn into so it's worth a little bit more time now I think to investigate and talk to the stakeholder to say hey let's let's try to evolve the project a little bit that's just a thought I have because I know would you say Sal anything moving forward that has not been to the Planning Commission so there's got to be some that have already been to the planet's Mission through this board that haven't come to fruition yet if they haven't come to fruition and not broken ground right and there's a legal mechanism kind of attorney to have a a conversation so I think it's worth trying well obviously you can try to get them to voluntarily comply but if you want to make them comply you would have to do some amendment to your Land Development code right what Sally's talking about as he changed to the mpds that are kind of going through the zoning process the only way that you're going to be able to catch somebody that's already gone through the zoning process is actually to amend your Land Development code to impose these standards but even then you're probably not going to be able to catch somebody who already gotten a site plan approval because at that point it's pretty much too late but it's worth to ask them in a good faith effort if they continue to want to build their product in our market and our home just maybe they'll reconsider and make some changes they want to be building this project this type of product into the future and want to have support for it I'd like to think that there could be a good faith conversation moving before before it's done I'm at least willing to try to say try we we have to try I like to approach Mr Oakley all right I remember a couple that I've seen besides the one that I lived in which was already built these others were coming to be built but I don't remember them being like these these had uh services and all that pools they had a Rec Center those type things that I saw with them even though they were rental houses there are some I think on County Road 52 now um that's coming to be but they haven't started building them yet but I think those are a better product than what I was living in so well I say I I'd like to know what mechanism we can use our Land Development code for a single family home doesn't allow with 50 or 40 or 50 foot lot anyway right yeah now we're saying these things could be

called single family so I don't know if there's a mechanism that could be part of a mechanism to say you can't come forward with it if it's already in the MPD um if it it's if if you can isolate it to her if it hasn't come to Planning Commission yet or it's already been if it hasn't come to plan the commission yet I think even if it's gone to Planning Commission yet why shouldn't we go and stop it if it hasn't come to before the board yet why do I have one definition where I can say Planning Commission like economic just hasn't been to wash yet I can do one why couldn't they do the other well I would think I would think Mr ghosting can can answer I'm sure on this but I would think you still have the right to put restrictions on on properties up until you vote for so no you could tie up the deadline to be those projects that haven't been to the board yet I I think yeah my guess is that staff proposed Planning Commission because that's typically the point in time when staff with finalized conditions of approval um not to say the board couldn't change those though I mean you have that until you approve something it's not approved so yes you can as long as I hadn't been us and we can't put the right you could make we could make the deadline or tie the line being to those mpds that have not gone to the board yet yeah but I think commissioner William is talking about a slightly different issue which is the ones that have already been to the board they're passive they just haven't started construction yet you can ask that well I'm looking at both so I mean we're looking so let's let's go to so we can we can just change the language too if it hasn't come to the board yet that's easy enough to change in the memo that I'd say we direct staff for that at a minimum to get started but I will tell you the time between Planning Commission and board approval is fairly small you're not gonna there's we're not talking about a lot of projects that right I've got one coming right now okay yeah there may be a few yes but I think you have the power to since you have the power to deny those projects anyway you certainly have the power to recondition them yeah I mean I think we got to send a message out there and again you know maybe an Atlanta developer is not going to care about another project in Pasco they may just build the one and move on make us money and go when away he goes but the problem is is one that I was in there's there's a couple more that had been before the city to try to be included in the city that failed the city already and now here they're going to come to to the board okay about the same kind of project that I lived in it just doesn't need to continue that's we need to have some restrictions that are that are correct the issues this

first one had is and I'd say I'm glad you brought up the points you brought as far as not having the leasing office there when you talk about not having a clubhouse there either yeah both should be there otherwise as you say you know they don't have any Clubhouse I mean we look at I think the parks and crime we put in place we need to just hold strong on that I mean there's no Clubhouse no additional parking for people and have guests and I mean they're all front loaded and they're very small I mean there's small properties and I think you guys remember the time I was talking with my daughters were up in Orlando they had a town home project loaded parking you could be parking way down the street whatever titles can be and they counted a single car garage was a parking spot I think we count that as a three bedroom spot too and again when you go to three bedroom place right and you've got parking garage number one parking spot number two and the other one's going to find a spot yeah makes no sense of doing for failure and it was I mean it was fill the need for a short period of time but I'll tell you if we had a better place we could we could have gone and made a move so I don't want to build like as you say a slum for the future so I wanted to let you know that I know some invo pH have added parking space on on the interior roads they've added parking spaces in different locations close to the homes so I know that for a fact they've they've put those there on purpose just because they know they need the extra parking space but but that's not that can look kind of that may not be optimal either because then you've taken away the Green Space around building so and you know we talked about this before and maybe in our planning workshop we can have more discussions but if if you drive around Longleaf I think it's a great example where you can see where the roads are narrow and there is on street parking but it's all on one side and and so they're they're still that green space in the front of buildings that are you know rear rear loaded granted but David there's is on street parking where there's driveways on the front as well so I live in the area of the neighborhood where there is no front loaded Lots so but there's on street parking even on the streets that don't have cutouts and it's only on one side as you said yeah so if it's on one side it is I mean they do that in South Tampa and Old Northeast and you know all the classic neighborhoods so I I don't know that we want to be building parking lots all over neighborhoods either but we just there's way I think there's ways to accommodate more parking and we need to require that some of that like I just told you is mvoph yeah I saw the design it's all on the end caps yeah and um right but the bottom the bottom line we've got to really look at these 40s and 50 because they're the ones causing

all the trouble yeah I mean when you look at values of homes it's said between probably all the inflation rates with everything else going up that you know it takes a four hundred thousand dollar house five hundred thousand dollars to pay its own way in taxes I don't know if that's an accurate number how close it is but it just tells you that the smaller the house the smaller the value the worse it is when you get values of places that are down because they don't have enough Park and they don't have a clubhouse they don't have a place for customer service for for that it's it's it's not going to be a boost to the to the tax base I got a more of a burden from people I got an answer we'll just uh not have any more 40 to their 50s and you won't have that issue and and doing unless they're reloaded with the rear loaded so yeah I mean because that's what they're doing I'm on 40 and Pitchford Lots I mean we don't want I don't believe we want the rest of our County to look like 40 and 50 foot Lots all over the place no I don't mind them if they're rear loaded yeah but they're not doing that because it takes more land to do that and they catch their numbers well maybe we'll find out only because the numbers so maybe it's the condition we need to look at putting into place because I will say the ones at Starkey that they built in there they look good there's enough parking if we can work with them in the fire lane issue that they had and some other things it could be something that's good looking product that could last and hold value as opposed to some of the other things we've seen where you get parking on the street parking here parking there that that don't work commission women thank you changing I was trying to get some clarity on this about potentially moving approval with this memo but a change to was it the Planning Commission in the vo pH P so I was looking for Clarity on on that he would just mean he would make the cut off border County Commissioner approval instead of Planning Commission and view a pH policy and planning committee approval but I want to be clear that's for this memo but you can make easily make that change for this memo but this memo is not addressing 40 and 50 foot Lots it's not addressing horizontal Apartments and the problem staff's going to have is there are no standing they haven't created any standards they haven't worked with the development Community to create these additional standards for horizontal apartments and 40 and 50 foot Lots that's why this is step one right so you can make the cut off for step one board approval but I don't want the board to think that's going to affect horizontal apartments and 40 and 50 foot Lots because there is you don't have a memo before you today addressing those issues

can can I follow up on that question uh on the 40s and 50s can we can we go ahead and start requiring that even though it's not in our I mean don't we do we have the discretion to go ahead and my only concern commissioner is that there was a prior memo that was brought to this board that you approved which put a limit on the number on 40 and 50 foot locks it's not working that I think staff needs to bring that memo back it said that they would reevaluate it every six months and it's been six months since that memo I think we need to bring a new memo back to you that address is 40 and 50 foot Lots but that memo is not before you today and you but you could direct them to do that and bring back revisions to that that prior memo just think how much better our County would look with that than what we're getting yeah yeah well let me say this when we like when I look to this bill to rent product I will still say I do like it better with the right situation than the apartments we're building I mean the apartments we're building I mean we're killing ourselves I mean and then you know we get the sheriff's office like firing away stuff about what 64th out of 67 we got the data that says Sheriff does a better job than any other counties myself well there we go but but what I'm saying is there's there's a push out there that these apartments are getting the people in so quick in such a high quantity there's a laid back before we he can catch up with restaffing our staffing stronger to go forward with let's say the extra that he's been getting over the past six years seven years so again that density that product I mean I don't I don't like them um the rent to own I think is even a better product but it's it's something we've got to be really watch it watchful of that if you just crush this too hard then you may just get we're just going to get Apartments anyway so just get you got to be ready they're going to try to build something something cheap where they can make money and and we gotta look at everything so I just want to keep that as an open mind for everything to look at commissioner thank you chairman yeah in my my attention into bringing this up to your point I like this product better the single family home style rent product my concern is is it because of the connectivity issue because of the single family lifestyle feel that they're selling that if there's a bad actor in the management firm as these things are sold and traded or whatever that we protect the neighboring single family owned product and to ensure that quality control mechanisms on this product are there also the Safeguard was when I we learned that because they weren't platted say Enron owned them for example and they're

going belly up there was no ability to sell each individual rental house off as a single family it had to be sold as a whole you have to conduct so it's a fire sale for cheap price then what's going to happen are they going to come back in whoever owns it wherever they live or what hedge firm hedge fund firm has it to reinvest in it maybe maybe not how do we use code enforcement standards I mean it was it fell under our multi-family code jurisdiction but if if there's an exit strategy in with this product as it gives the owner of the entire place an option if things are tough to sell them off as single family because as our design standards it meets the code it is platted or they could sell them as a whole it creates an equal playing field and then you're selling something that's going to compete with the neighboring connected single-family home product if you want to you know it's it was it that's that's the the premise behind this so I just wanted to share that you know it's it's difficult when you have a let's say you've got a building that's coming in the development's coming in and the people that sit in the CDD are all the developers people at the start hits a certain point then it becomes it flips over where now the majority comes to the owners and they get control I'd be interested to see how the HOAs that can be implemented if it does go to the plat if it does go for sale how are you going to implement all the rules in place are those rules going to be set up ahead of time um I think it's going to something you really got to dive into a look at and I'll go a step further take a look at uh the heart of Ridge Road all the apartments that are in there right not high-end where's Harper Bridge Road Ridge Road apartments up on the side it's the some that are not good right and if you could set up where with Apartments even that you went through when you maybe platted those as condo units so that when they went if it does go where they got to go try to sell it and are we gonna we're gonna sell it to you get some other one that picks up and they're either they're a discount buyer that they're not going to maintain the property either and you got to go deal with those situations maybe that someone should look at where the apartments do to put it put something in there commissioner Oakley yeah I'm just I'm just wondering if if we require them to have an HOA or a CDD how do you have those when you only have one ownership because the people that are actually renting the houses aren't the owners of the house so how do you have HOAs or things you know my first my first thought so no one was coming up I was thinking what are you going to do about you know what's

going to happen on the cells you're going to need to set up an HOA but my other thought goes to just as you just alluded to as well what's going to happen when you first sell them if they only sell five or ten then they they run the HOA anyway so you're really not helping the people on that that's why I said you have to have that HOA set up ahead of time and how do you structure it yeah is there a way that can work so so well so that's part of the reason staff is recommending needs to be plotted if they are plotted they will have to have an HOA okay so it all plotting is the key distinction that's the importance of this memo the commissioner Williams point is if you require this particular type of Bill to rent to be plotted it will have to meet single famous standards I have an HOA meet all the standards that a single family home would have to meet that's effectively what staff is recommending with this memo okay but to be clear it's not addressing the horizontal apartments that are parking in common parking areas that's that's it that's gonna have to be subject to a different memo okay recreational opportunities correct lifestyle opportunities Mr Starkey um so I think we're having a really good discussion um part of the problem is none of us are real knowledgeable about this and um like I'm getting some texts from some people who um Finance these and build these and I think I think you know behoove us to have someone talk to us who knows how these are financed and bonded and and I'd love to hear more from from uh industry and and you guys you guys have met with industry yes we've met with industry um we held meetings I can so I probably think since we got the directive we've probably had six or seven meetings with stakeholders that included outside legal staff who work with these individuals and developers also builders that are involved in this industry and we held regular meetings sent drafts back and forth got as much input as possible and then I sat down with each of you to talk about how it was evolving and also Mr Goldstein was very helpful in providing some additional guidance as well so I think the key here is the determination that these types of Bill to rent that look like feel like they are single family residential developments and will be required to plot as your typical single family residential development and all the conditions that go along with that type of approval now now um commissioner I'd love to know the name of the one you live in so I could or live to enter Estates of 14. okay so I'm going to drive I um I have so next Metro just to

the one that we approved near Suncoast and I've driven through that one that that actually is the only one I've ever driven through does would that would this apply to that one or no because there's no driveways I think those are horizontal Apartments okay that would not those those would not be affected by this memo because you know I I like the product I don't like the layout um uh so I guess we we still have more work to do but I need to go see one of these I need to go see what what you lived in but I have heard you talk about the horrors of it so so how many have we approved that are like this it's very many um when you say it like this you know there's like some experts like the subject of this memo or build event in general like like the subject of this memo I don't think this is a very small subset yeah there's not many build to rent that are built with individual driveways and garages we did approve one that is from like homes for America or Americans for rent or something like that yeah that was but they are planning it was planned what happened was you didn't have the other controls in in place for that one yeah because staff was considering it to be multi-family so they were not imposing single-family standards on that product type but this memo would make it clear that they would be subject to single-family standards But to answer your question in general this this is just the tip of the iceberg it's it's not covering the majority of build Durant that comes into Pasco County need to you know we need to get an education and if there's others out there um I know that we learned a lot from working with the stakeholders if there's others out there that want to be involved in that you know we would ask that they get in in touch with us because right now we've started on the 40 to 50 foot lot and then the next is going to be the horizontal that we really you know we're open we want to make sure we understand it before bringing it to to you the first one I remember was over in Land O'Lakes that came in there was one I think off of Lake patience Road right what's that one similar to that I don't recall the exact name of it just drove on Lake patients yes was it Lake patients or Bell Lake I know there's one on like patients okay yeah all right bill I think the one I think it was built like I was just and just mentally nothing was on the other side of the road um and I'm sure there's uh other others out there too but I don't know maybe maybe Sally can get us a list of list of these and give us an option to go drive around yeah I think we can do that and I just like to thank Sally and her team it's it's been a collaborative approach both with industry and and and with with the challenges that that we're seeing but I

think you know to the commissioner waitman's point it it does good to preserve options for the future um it also kind of helps integrate into our into our current Community with respect to things that have already passed through the first Wicket I.E board approval I have no issue sitting down with Folks at site plan and and seeing what can be done I'm sure there will be schedule implications that will be of of interest to Industry when it comes to planning but again we we maintain a collaborative relationship with the development community and I'm sure there's there's there's room to talk and please know that as these are coming through even if we don't have something in place we're trying to encourage people to think in this direction because this is the direction we we know the board wants to go and for some say for example that I've gone through planning board and now they're getting ready to come to the commission and we start talking about them they are explaining to us they've expended hundreds of thousands of dollars at this point and you know feel that we're pushing um requirements on them that have not been approved so but know that you know they're open some of them are trying to shift as we talk about this and some of them have you know made a large investment and feel that you know to have go back to the drawing board in its entirety could be very cost prohibitive for them in their um the developers and we've not just sat back and not had those conversations I want you to know that no and we just approved a couple at the last meeting that had been so far down the line we've gone we we had to let them go anyway so and then the boph so I think the discussion is good um I'm sure that each one of us will get several phone calls coming up so we'll probably do some follow-up meetings for the business Community there's no doubt in my mind but you know it's it's so difficult as as Commissioners we can't talk to each other the only time we can have these conversations and throw ideas out is when we're in front of this board so it may be a little disruptive in conversation for the industry but it's the only way we can decide about and talk about our experiences I mean literally I did not know they wouldn't have a person on premises I think it's a great idea to look to have someone with make sure they have a clubhouse too yeah and and and I'll tell you from the Linda lakes one that I remember I remember that being a single drive with every single house in there and I I don't remember anything different so others that have maybe changed and morphed to kind of like get what they wanted and build the product I wanted it's kind of like it's a it's an awareness thing for us right now it's a new thing and we need to go look at what the ramifications are because a long way down the road we want to see what this kind of is going to be for down the road

we want to make it as great as we can so what do we do with this memo today do we um we bring it back to us with with some research and then we discuss it again well I think you can take action on again it's a limited pool or build the rent you're dealing with today but you could take action on this memo which effectively requires that limited pool to be plotted you could do that and just make the applicability cut off board approval instead of Planning Commission approval if that's what you want to do but it sounds like this memo has already been through the stakeholder input it's I don't think you're going to shock anybody if you approve this memo today just recognizing is not dealing with 40 and 50 for Lots it's not dealing with horizontal Apartments it's just dealing with a small subset of build to rent can we include having let's say the clubhouse leasing office on premises as well well hey okay but that that's more a horizontal apartment issue correct that's not the decision this is these are the build of rent that look just like single family homes with individual driveways individual garages but that's what commissioner Oakley lived and there was no one to to talk to well if they're but that may not have been plotted with an HOA no it was plotted Denison has telling me is a plotted not plotted she says it's all one big lot she said Estates at Fort King is plotted single family detached I wonder she says is Denise sitting in here um she's saying it's flatted where you lived so did that mean they it was supposed to have an HOA I've asked that question I've I've not been told that it was more than just one lot that all the houses sit on there are individual homes detached rental and were there trees in those lots any trees oh they have some pine trees in the backyard backyard nothing in there my backyard had two pine trees yeah well that'll be gone what about the front front maybe one one three oak tree I'm gonna drive through it all right take take a video you know me so we're getting close to the passing to an hour now we all agree that we won't have them flooded do we all agree with we want them plotted this particular product type is okay yeah make a motion yes yes hang on for your motion for just for a second so I just want to see if we'll get consensus on that first does everyone pretty much agree we want to get them all plotted yeah I would think that it was a route that's good okay the next thing is with discussion that we have in here we haven't talked about it but I think Commissioners Oakley's point about not having a leasing office or a clubhouse do we want to make that happen as well and can we make that happen at this point not for the current moment but you

can but you can direct staff to look into that issue for the horizontal Department yeah for future because they're going to be working on standards for that product right okay that would be an example of a standard for that product type all right so I'm ready for a motion great thank you thank you chairman thank you board I know we kind of went it was good all over the place fantastic discussion I thank you all for entertaining this when we brought it up a couple of months back appreciate Terry and Sally and your team for for going through this exercise and the stakeholders some of them are here in the crowd they have not been neglected from from this process there's been a lot of of time and conversation around it so this this is just step one for a very small portion of of this type of product to start you know adding quality control standards and value again I can't stress that enough if a product comes in and they come and talk to my office I ask the question of quality and value and I believe this is a step in ensuring that the product that's being built like this will hopefully with the added with the applicability being board accounting commissioner approval instead of Planning Commission adding what attorney County County attorney Goldstein has said into that into the motion so thank you thank you okay any further discussion all in favor say aye aye aye any opposed okay and one item got Mr chair can I say one more Point sure I do urge you though to contact your legislators about this bill that is pending in the legislature because a lot of what you're talking about is quality is architectural control and the legislature is very close to taking away your ability to impose architectural controls on single family and again that Senate Bill 1604 and House Bill 439 House Bill 4th okay social Whitman so thank you chair so with that with all the work that the previous board did and commissioner Starkey and Architectural design standards and uh with you saying with with you saying that in this bill no work around to create quality value and Beauty in our in our single family home ownership product you're saying that it's going to be vanilla I'm saying nothing trying to preempt your Authority on that now I can't tell you until the holiday all over the count until until the final legislation is approved I can't tell you if there's a workaround or not now typically there's nothing preventing the developer from imposing their own architectural HOAs and developers do it all the time the question will be for the board do you want to continue to improve 45th to 40 and 50 foot Lots if there are no architectural controls and there may be some developers that voluntarily agree to architectural controls to get 40 and 50 foot Lots but

that's a conversation we'll have to deal with if and when this legislation passes but clearly the legislature is attempting to parameter authority to regulate architecture on single-family homes so some developers are just knowing we're doing this are already changing and putting these standards in place right I know I know that I've heard that right so so I know that's that's going on um but I would I think David maybe if you could type get a letter to us that we can get to our legislative delegation and ask for not to have these controls taken from us yes I I don't it's just it's the Bad actors you got to worry about they'll just build up make a motion that we give the chair permission to send that letter out with photographs okay I have a motion all in favor say aye aye any opposed I I think we should send photographs to show what what they're what we're going to have if this passes it is in the motion yes I'll look at it I think planning needs to take the lead on drought yeah we'll we'll take the lead through our legislative and planning to do that okay all right so we're done with this item I want to do what our 49 before we go yep okay confirmation of Engine Services director Nick didn't want to wait till after lunch right Nick okay good morning commissioners [Music] assistant County Administrator public infrastructure branch I'm pleased and excited today to recommend your confirmation of the appointment of Nick Erin as our next Engineering Services director Nick is a Florida registered professional engineer with more than 20 years of experience in transportation management and Leadership he holds Bachelor and master of science degrees in civil engineering we were extremely impressed by Nick during our rigorous and multi-team interview process we are excited to have him join us and I'm confident his talent and experience will make an excellent addition to our Pasco team now Nick would you please step forward see if you can say some few words well good afternoon I I am tempted to remind the uh the commission that parole decisions go way down right before lunch because everyone gets hungry so I hope that doesn't affect your vote this morning I am looking for your support I I want to say first that the culture of Pasco was the magnet that Drew me here I'm from Palm Beach County I've been in Palm Beach County Florida resident for 20 years we are excited to move our family across the state to the western side of Florida to be a part of the culture that has been established here in Pasco County I love the what I've come to call the three p's of Pasco that the people the purpose and the performance the emphasis on the value of the individuals that serve the community here and the partnership that we have in

achieving the purposes that we've put forward and then an expectation that we actually get the job done and we do it really well um I'm excited to support Mike I'm excited to support Branford and be a part of the public infrastructure team and then to work closely with Sally on the development services and provide the infrastructure the transportation facilities the traffic signals that will allow the people in our community to move around safely and efficiently look forward to working with you and and bottom line I'm excited to serve the people of Pasco County along with you and look forward to your support this morning Nick it was about 28 years ago I moved from Palm Beach County to Pasco County I've never regretted it loved it every bit so welcome aboard I'm delighted I love those words I think we should have that on the Pasco County webpage what he's just said really kind of like pumps I think pumps us all up to say that we know we're working hard at it we know our staff is working out at it and we're very proud of what we're making happen here so thank you for those great words uh move to approve second looks good so far all in favor say aye aye aye opposed thank you thank you very much welcome aboard commissioner before you before you break for lunch just looking at at um your this I'm sorry this I'm back to the the bill to rent all right so Nick thank you very much we welcome you here you're going to be a great addition something else to think about uh looking at where you lived and I'm going to go drive by like I said is um I just wonder if we need to have some restrict uh rules on minimum amounts of landscaping as well because you know we want them to be these homes to have Nice Landscaping packages well I think I think the development team of of people that build here in Florida are already looking at that because we've been talking so much about it well I'm going to drive by and see if the developer who's the developer of this do you know the developer I'm going to see if they put in nice decent Landscaping the amount of percentage of what we would like because I've seen some homes in here come in with you know ten dollars worth of landscaping well for the home builders and all they've they're noticing what we're talking about when we talk about it architectural and also Landscaping the Landscaping is important commissioner Whiteman thank you chair uh there's another one on Chancey Road and just just the shy east of Morse Bridge recommend take a look at it uh if you get with um Miss wilheit she'll she can tell you where a lot of these are and you can go see them okay let's break for lunch we'll be back at 130 public hearings [Music] foreign [Music]