1.20.26 Pasco Board of County Commissioners Meeting (Afternoon Session)

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We're going to reconvene the Pesco County meeting. Um, we're going to do two quick presentations. I'm going to start with the Food Policy Council first and then we'll get to David Engel's presentation. Economic ROI.

Good afternoon, commissioners. Rich Jenkins, Planning Development, Economic Growth, here to present the Food Policy Advisory Council's annual report and introduce our chairman uh or Chairwoman and uh vice chair uh Nicole Dubbie and Jennifer Parker. I'm going to let them do the actual presentation because our resolution requires them to. So,

awesome. Good afternoon, commissioners. Nice to see you all again. and I met most of you through leadership pasco. So the purpose of the food policy advisory council or fpac is to support an accessible resilient local food system here in Pasco County. Our duties are to re make recommendations to government bodies about policies, support the development and expansion of locally produced foods here in Pasco. Review proposed legislation and regulations that affect the food system. connect economic development, food security efforts, preservation and enhancement of agricultural lands while addressing environmental concerns, inform, gather and share information on community food systems. Some of our programs and initiatives include the plants for pints which is a monthly plant exchange hosted at ordinance one in Newport Richie and is regularly attended about by about 15 to 20 people. One of the other things we worked hard on this um last year was to fulfill our open positions. So out of the seven we filled four of them and there are three vacant positions. The reappoints and appointments um were approved by the board on a consent agenda today. We also reviewed the food policy. We did a food policy crosswalk and we looked at urban agricultural policies and this review helped industry practitioners to provide comments to staff for the backyards chicken ordinance in August of 2025.

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We also reviewed House Bill 89 and followed it carefully as it would have allowed for small footprint grocery stores to go into food uh in areas to provide more access to healthy nutrient-dense foods. That bill unfortunately did not attract a Senate companion but was filed in refiled in November of 2025. The FPAC will also continue to follow this and other food system and agriculture related bills currently in the 2026 legislation session. Our most successful event was our second annual food summit which was hosted on the east side of the county at the one-stop shop where there was a tour of the farmed den and comm commercial kitchen which Bill Cronin mentioned earlier um as a incubator for uh food entrepreneurs. All of the refreshments were hashtagpicked in Pasco by local farm and provided by local farmers such as the O's Harvest um Shady Oaks who are here today and Rosebud Continuum. A representative from Congressman Billis' office was in attendance and said this was very informative and enjoyable. Speakers included myself talking about our nonprofit Access to Fresh and how we are focused on being an aggregator and distributor of local produce and connecting it to areas such as uh schools and hospital systems. Charles Zider from the Museum of Archaeology, paleontology and science captivated I audiences and attendees on a talk of the Mayan agricultural practices and how it relates to our modern food systems. Lastly, Tanner, a local farmer here in Newport Richie. Um, Tanner Kaufman, he owns Theo's Harvest, was in um also presented and demonstrated how small-cale agriculture can feed families and support local economies. FPAC does invite you to Oh, we're missing a slide there, but FPAC does invite you to our meetings. We're there every month at the Land of Lakes um county utilities building. Our next meeting is February 13th from 2:00 to 3:30. and our food summit is April 16th from 5:00 to 7:30 at Rosebud Continuum. Lastly, I would like to thank the Department of Panning and Development and Economic Growth for their support and guidance as we focus on agricultural policy as a tool for economic growth and resilience here in Pasco County. I'm happy to take any questions, but I know we're on a a tight timeline.

All right, any questions?

No questions, but great job.

All right, thank you.

Thank you. Very good. Okay. And now we'll head from David Engel, R37,

Pasco Re-entry, Jobs and ROI update. Good afternoon. David Engel, planning and economic growth director at the board's uh workshop last uh Tuesday, we had an action uh agenda action item to respond to a request to appear here to discuss um return on investment as it relates to the job skills and training program. that's funded here through the county. So, um I took the opportunity to just focus on three items that we do when we deliver uh job skills training. One is the career source job skills training program. It's called Pasco Re-entry. What it does is it upskills uh currently employed county residents or gets people back in the labor force that are unemployed, whether they be former incarcerated individuals or people that have lost their job. it's highly successful. The other area that we do we focus on is um is advanced manufacturing training through AMPsklls through apprenticeships and direct assistance to businesses as you'll see in the metrics in a little bit that that is getting traction and making a big impact on our community. And lastly, the Pasco Economic Development Council provides a direct connect, which is a it's almost like an online dating um service u bringing employers and people looking for jobs together. So, it's like a clearing house, and that's been very good. And all three of these programs operate collaboratively. They're they're not functioning independently. There's a there's a a nexus there to get better outcomes working together. Now, I just wanted to focus on the re-entry program because that that focuses directly on people in the disadvantaged population, homelessness and uh and also people that are coming out of prison, etc. And it's been really effective. Uh to date, we've had enormous traction on the program. We've had 638 people go through it since uh 2018. um vulnerable disadvantaged are 86% of the people that attend this um this training program. That's 86% of the people there. And the miraculous and remarkable number and metric here is that 97% of the people going through the system retain their jobs over a year. So there's traction there. They're just not going taking a job and leaving three months later. And if you see that metric there, um $41,900 is the average since its inception, but it's it's really gone up in the last year. It's now $48,572. So, it's a $7,000 increase. And um as as wages go up, these people that are going through this training program are tracking that. Lastly, uh 229 homeless people since 2019 are trained, skilled, and off the street, which has a tremendous impact on an ROI because it there's a lot of indirect costs associated with homelessness that the county bears. And here is the uh the ROI sheet, which is really um very illustrative. So to calculate the ROIs between two different programs that's AMS skills and career source we had to take somewhat of a unique methodology because each one of

them tracked their ROIs differently. So what we did was we looked at the impact of the employment side. We didn't look at direct and indirect but just straight benefits to the local economy based on employment. And Career Source um is doing a great job. They used to be their overall average is $9,000 in a placement. They're down to $7,000 now. So, they've been doing cost- effectively reducing the the cost of training and getting it into an output area. And their ROI is $13.13 for every dollar we give them. And that's that's exceptional. Uh AMSKills, same methodology looking at the impacted jobs and wages. And you would note that AMSKills uh average jobs are higher because they're manufacturing jobs. Their ROI on place individuals is 22 times and you can see that they have uh 158 direct placements since we've been funding them since 2014. So that's my presentation. Um just wanted to give you a sense of what we're doing, what we continue to do with uh very high ROIs to the community. Thank you.

So David, thank you for that. And a couple of things that stick out that uh and I'll get the RARI number in a second, but 97% of the people have a job after being trained after a year.

That's right, sir.

That's a phenomenal rate. Um and that income of an average income now, $48,000 for a manufacturing job. Another great program with AMS Skills as well.

Yes. And and Amskills has a 51% retention rate. And that's that's excellent, too. Anything over 50% is higher than the industry standard for job skills training.

Yeah. And again 13 to1 uh for career source and 22 to1 for AM skills as far as return on investment.

That's correct sir.

Uh I tell you this data is great and I think it'll help us hopefully in the future. Any other thoughts or questions?

Um I I'm curious about that um 51% employed. But anyway,

well we got that right out of the data that Amskills reports to us.

That's right. I thought it was higher than that. Um, but I'd love the uh return on investment.

22 is huge. Yeah.

Well, we can only get better.

Yeah, absolutely.

Okay.

Thank you.

Thank you very much. [snorts]

Now, we're going to go to the public hearings. First one is item P37.

P37. We have proof of publication in the Tampa Bay Times. November issue of November 5th, 2025 supplemented by an affidavit of certified mailings and site postings. Good afternoon. Amy Tol with planning development economic growth. Item P37 is the adoption hearing for an ordinance amending the Pasco County comprehensive plan providing for a small-scale comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use map ne map 2-15 and sheet 10 from res 6 residential six dwelling units per gross acre to calm commercial on approximately 1.72 acres of real property located on the north side of Ridge Road approximately 180 ft east of the intersection of Broad Street and Ridge Road and providing for additional text amendments is necessary for internal consistency providing for a repealer severability and an effective date. This comes with you comes to you with a recommendation to accept public comment and adopt the ordinance by roll call vote.

Okay, we want to have a quick presentation.

We're good.

Okay, this is the this is the one we had the rightway thoughts with before. Um this one is Ridge Road and Broad Street is smallcale calm. You might be thinking um Little N Ross, which is also right here.

No, it did. Okay. Does it? This is the one I'm thinking, but Okay.

Gotcha.

All right.

All right. Um

we have no one signed up in advance nor online.

Okay. Uh anyone from the audience like to speak this item?

Okay. It's to the board. with approval.

Second and a roll call vote.

It is a roll call. Commissioner Oakley, District One,

I.

District two, Commissioner Wakeman. Hi.

District three, Commissioner Starky.

Hi.

District four, Commissioner Jagger.

Hi.

District five. Chairman Mariano.

I. Motion passes 50. Item P38.

P38. Uh we have proof of publication in the Tampa Bay Times on November 5th, 2025, supplemented by an affidavit of certified mailings and site postings. All right. So P38 is also an adoption hearing for a compreh smallcale comprehensive plan amendment. an ordinance amending the Pasco County comprehensive plan providing for a small-scale comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use map 2-15 and sheet 10 changing from calm commercial and res 9 uh residential nine dwelling units per gross acre to res 6 residential six dwelling units per gross acre on approximately 26.2 2 acres of real property located approximately 600 ft east of the intersection of Little Road and Ross Lane and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for repealer severability and an effective date. Uh this comes to you with a recommendation to accept public comment and adopt by roll call vote. Uh the MPD resoning does have a companion or there is a companion MPD resoning item P43 with this one as well. And there's a presentation if necessary.

Okay. Um I'd like to see the presentation.

Okay.

And with P43 as well.

Okay.

Good afternoon. Hi Miselli, Planning Development and Economic Growth and I will be presenting item P38. Uh we'll start with the project's overview. Thank you, Gina. So, the applicant is proposing a comprehensive a small scale comprehensive plan amendment to change the future land use designation from RES9 residential nine dwelling unit per gross acre and comm six residential six dwelling unit per gross acre. And the intent of this proposal is to create a unified residential future land use designation to allow for the development of 74 single family detach units on approximately 26.2 acres site. This site is located on Ross Lane approximately 600 ft east of Little Road. As Amy mentioned, there is a companion reszoning petition to MPUD in the name of DRB Little and Ross MPUD. This map shows a general location of the subject site which is located in the West Market area and within the urban service area. This is a zoomed in aerial of the location of the subject site. As you can see, the site is just north of our government building. It is situated south of Ridge Road, east of Little Road and just north of Ross Lane. And this map provides the existing context surrounding the subject site which is currently undeveloped. The surrounding area includes a mixture of uses with commercial development to the north along Ridge Road and to the west along Little Road. And we have the Crescent residential community located to the east of the subject site. Although not shown on this map, the VA hospital is located to the south of the subject site. Next, we have this slide that illustrate the existing transportation network. There is an existing sidewalk located along the east side of Little Road. There are no sidewalks along Ross Lane. However, the applicant is proposing to construct a sidewalk on the north side of Ross Lane. and specific details um of this sidewalk will be addressed during the MPUD presentation. This is a map showing the existing future land use. As you can see, a portion of the site is comm commercial and the rest is res 9. Comm is also to the north and west of the subject site.

And how much is commercial acreage wise

as far as the comm?

Yes. or the comm is about 376,358 square feet. The entire site is 26.2 acres.

So acres acres how much

approximately 14 and a half acres. Thank you. This is a map showing the proposed future land use. The entire subject site is proposed to be residential um six dwelling unit per gross acre and res six aligns with the surrounding densities and the suburban development pattern in the area. So after review and analysis, the planning development economic growth department found the proposed amendment to be consistent with the following comprehensive plan policies. Restics, policy flu 1.4.3, policy flu 1.8.7, policy flu 1.8.10, and policy flu 8.1.1. So, based on the comprehensive plan consistency analysis, staff recommend the board to um accept public comment and adopt the proposed comprehensive plan amendment and ordinance by call by roll call vote. And I'm happy to answer any other questions unless you would like to hear the MPD presentation. And then

I think I'd like to go right to the MPD.

Okay. Thank you. We have proof of publication of the hearing of this matter in the November 5th, 2025 edition of the Tampa Bay Times supplemented by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings.

Good afternoon, William Vermillion, Planning Development, Economic Growth. This is the companion MPD resoning to the previously mentioned CPA PTE 267893. The location map, this is a resoning request of from AC agricultural to and C2 general commercial to MPD Master Development District to allow for the maximum development of 74 single family detached homes and associated infrastructure on approximately 26.2 acres. Uh those single family detached homes are a minimum of 60 feet in width. This is located in the western market area budding the northeast corner of Little Road and Ross Lane intersection. Here's the location map. You can see out towards Little Road, some of that commercial property has already been commercially subdivided. And then as you move uh further west onto Ross Lane or further east onto Ross Lane, you find the subject site highlighted in red. It is the site of an old uh tree farm. The current zoning map and the current future land use map reflecting the res 9 and commercial flu on the subject site. Here is the contextual map. To the north uh to orient the commission exist the hardware store with the commercial subdivision happening as you move further west along Little Road. And then on the southern portion south of Ross Lane exists the uh the Veterans Affair building. Here is the MPD master plan which roughly highlights the internal street uh network here as well as some of the pedestrian improvements. But it's further illustrated here on the binding concept plan showing those uh 60 foot minimum single family detached lots as well as the the sidewalk along Ross Lane both along the entirety of the project's frontage as well as that yellow piece as you move towards the commercial subdivision. The applicant is building offsite sidewalk to to fill the gap there with the commercial piece for mobility fee credits. The on-site portion of course not mobility fee creditable. The red portion uh that you can see up to the north is an 8 foot uh eight foot walking path, a nature trail that will provide further pedestrian connection to the commercial subdivision that's already occurred alongside Little Road. And then to the north of that pond in orange, we can see the internal six-foot trail that's proposed along the north side of that pond that comes down uh through that uh what could have been a lot green space as you connect onto one of those internal roads. This is a connectivity exhibit provided by the applicant with drone shots that overlays those those same color coordination to the 8ft, 6 foot, and 5 foot of the uh the pedestrian facilities that we're talking about being constructed with this project as it pertains to the site aerially. You can see they're highlighted in orange, in red, and then in green and yellow along the project frontage. There is one LDC variation with this product project from 9016D11 street

design and dedication requirements. The applicant request did not provide a vehicular interconnection to the north or to the west. If you would stay on that slide for a second variation,

Oh, internal to the development.

Internal to development.

Yes, sir.

Okay. So, we have you got options on our roadway going right to the front from where the green open park space kind of like jolts in and goes all the way up to the blue area where the drainage area is. There's opportunities there to connect to a roadway. Correct. there there would be an opportunity um I guess I hadn't I hadn't finished my my justification for the variation but I know

to so to the north of that is the uh if I could go back to the aerial here that's actually it would spit the uh the residents out right into the the loading zone of the uh of the Lowe's they use that side access and if if we could zoom in or go to mapper it'd be helpful but you can see that that's actually their their loading area it's pretty narrow and uh it's going to a bunch of semi trucks and larger box trucks delivering goods there. You can you can see there on the right there with that delivery bay where they stack all their old pallets. So that was one of the reasons staff didn't feel like a connection was feasible to the north.

And that's to the north. Okay, let's talk to the west because that's my biggest issue is the west.

Can you Oh, let me take it back to the binding plan. Are you guys controlling it or I am? I am.

Okay. I appreciate it. So on on the So let's look at the west part. The west part comes out into a small little roadway that's that would get them to all the commercial in this whole area.

Yeah.

Get them off Ros Lane, get them off to the side. No big trucks running through there and they can get on there and save all those trips that go in there. Pedestrians great, but I don't think if you're going to go to Lowe's and pick up some 2x4s, etc. you're going to be coming back and carrying those thing back in a in a bicycle cart or something else. So to have all that commercial right there to take these people out on Ross Lane when I don't need to to not put them in there. I don't know why you guys would allow them to go against our code and look for a variation with that. I would have made them put that in there. And I think this board, Commissioner Stark, we talk all the time about how we try to interconnect.

I did talk to the applicant's attorney during lunchtime about that same thing. And I think when she comes up to present, she's going to tell you they're prohibited to connect by the property owners.

Is that part of your presentation?

I'm going to let the applicant speak to the to the to those legalities.

I I I can't imagine.

Yeah. They don't

having commercial property that's supposed to be commercial property not connecting to that roadway. Does that make any sense to anybody? Think about it. They're converting commercial property along that slot and they're going to tell me that I have the commercial property and I can't connect. Absolutely absurd.

Well, sure. If if I if I may, Stamp's variation analysis uh it its support didn't hinge upon the legalities of a connection being uh provided by some kind of property assoc property owners or commercial associations uh prohibitions in in an ECR. However, our justification relied upon the We could go back to the binding concept. Let me let me stop you here for a second. Go back to where you showed the commercial parcel of the property that that is along that roadway.

The go back to

take take me back to that map.

It's in there. There's another slide that shows before development what part is commercial, what's partial.

Do do the do the future land use map where it shows the the comm polygon. Thank you.

Sure. So,

so if I'm looking at that piece of property that says commercial and I own that piece of property, you're going to say that I don't have the right You think they got the right not to connect to that property right beside it?

Well, so this applicant,

if it's a private road and they don't have

Well, this this that commercial piece is a is a portion of this this application. So, it would no longer have the commercial flu. It'll be a part of this this residential development. That's I don't think that's what he's saying.

I'm just saying if I own that

commercial piece

from that if I have that commercial piece.

Are you talking Are you speaking of the portion highlighted in red or the out parcels there in yellow?

I'm I think I'm looking at the part that says calm

that's right there and those four lots that are right to the side of it that are beige. That slot that's right in there that commercial piece of property all the way through. There's a roadway right in front of it and we don't think they have a right to connect to that. Well, so that commercial portion is a part of this. I

I know. Okay. So, I'm saying is you're saying a residential can't connect to it. What I'm telling you is before we change this over that if I've got a commercial piece of property, I got to think I got rights to connect to that.

Well, I can let the the applicant speak to the the legalities behind the ECR.

I'd still like to go through the staff variation analysis outside of the ECR as to why we would support this request if that's all right.

I

Yeah.

Yes. Go ahead. Thank you. So, could I have the binding concept plan up, please? So, PTE felt that the the preservation of open space that's being enhanced by the nature trail as well as accommodating a pedestrian um a pedestrian feature to to the commercial site was was worth not having the connection when the connection is going to be made via Ross Lane on the organically forming internal frontage road that's happening via commercial subdivision that would allow vehicular access to go north and south rather then circulate through this neighborhood which could be um accessed by pedestrians to the commercial out parcels. If one needed to go to Lowe's, you'd simply get on Ross Lane at where in the CIP we are signalizing that intersection and then go straight north to Lowe's without having to get on to Little Road. So, you think it's better to go down Ross Lane, which has got another neighborhood behind it, got a VA, all 74 lots going through to go take a go out here on Little Road, take a right turn, take a right turn back in, then when they're going to return, they're going to go back on Little Road, take a left turn, and a left left turn in again as opposed to driving internally going right to Lowe's. You think that's a better way to go?

I don't I don't know if I directionally followed you there. All I what I can tell you is that

let me let me there's a

let me let me let me help you. I'm going to explain it to you.

If I'm inside that development and I have a connection to the road that's in front of this property and I can go take a right turn and go right into Lowe's. I think it's a lot quicker, simple, and easier coming back. I'll stay in the same internal road, staying off Ross Lane, staying off Little Road, no turns and no extra demand on the traffic that's out there. It's the connectivity which we talk about all the time, neighborhoods to neighborhoods. I'm talking about a residential neighborhood connecting to the commercial that's right there.

Well, with with this proposal with the organic internal frontage roads that's happening in this scenario, you wouldn't have to go back out on Little Road whether you're going to or from Lowe's.

How you going to get there?

Right on Ross.

Yep. Just take a ride out onto Ross. Uh it's about 500 feet right onto the internal frontage road and then you you go north without getting on Little Road. the the street pattern is has organically formed through commercial subdivision of that piece that's grayed out there.

I'm still going on Russell though,

but happy to uh happy to let the applicant speak to the to the ECR as to as to the legality of their connection. I just wanted to make sure that that staff's point was clear that outside of that ECR, these were the reasons that we were amanable to the applicant's request.

Uh tell me about the intersection Ross Lane Road. What's going to be out there?

Sure. So, there is a 30% signal plans that are done for the signalization of uh of that intersection and it has it's on the CIP in fiscal year 27 to be complete as well as those uh the aforementioned uh pedestrian improvements that are occurring along Rosslaid. the the VA built their portion to the south to their access point as well as a portion of this um I guess some some textbook cleanup had to happen. The Ross Lane wasn't actually on the county maintenance schedule and I know that within a within a month or two the resolution is going to be brought forward to bring this county road back onto the to the county maintenance schedule

at the intersection on the lanes going out. Is there two lanes or one lane at the intersection?

Sure. As a part of that that design, they are um contemplating additional lanes uh to help capacity there.

So for for right turn movement, left turn movement and a through.

Right. I'm going to have 74 cars plus the neighborhood plus the VA and to reduce the stacking. I would think that we would automatically put in that we would have a right turn lane and a left turn lane to be able to go out.

Yes, sir. But the turn lanes are a part of that that design for that intersection.

Okay. So it's not just being contemplated being designed.

We already have 30% designed for that intersection. Yes, sir. [cough]

This comes to you with the recommendation of approval from planning, development, economic growth and the planning commission. I'm here for any questions.

I do have one question. Um I already um I I I wanted the same thing, Commissioner, the connectivity, but I think you're going to hear that's not possible. But um can you go back to the just the previous map? Uh that one you're showing. What is this connection here? Because isn't that a is that north of what is what is that gated community there?

I had some friends that used to live in there.

Crescent Crescent Forest. That road is connecting into Crescent Forest or is this past Crescent Forest?

That's actually past uh Crescent Forest. There's one home back there.

Yes.

For the access and then the rest of the neighborhood uses Ross Lane.

So this So there is a future connection happening here.

Yes, ma'am.

Okay. Well, that I got one anyway

for one.

No, no. Is that Oh, is that only for one home?

It's for that you that property could be redeveloped. It's a large a large property. At some point in time it could be redeveloped and the the connection will have will be easier to be made with this stuff out.

Oh, I see. It's what

we'll need access.

Okay. So, that's one big piece. All right. Well, I think you need to hear from the applicant, but I am I I am going to talk to them about street trees.

All right. And

I learned we don't require

any of the questions for staff,

which I'm going to make. All right. Let's hear from the applicant.

Thank you. Heck

yeah. Good afternoon. Since you're hearing the MPD at the same time, do you want to swear us in?

We can do that. At this time, if there are anyone in the audience that expects to speak to any of the resoning items that are going to be coming up, if you would please stand. Again, if you anticipate speaking to any of the zoning items on the agenda, if you please rise and raise your right hand, do you and each of you swear to tell the truth in the matters being presented? So, have you got?

I do. At the time you come forward if you please when you give yourself name and your address if you please acknowledge that you were sworn. Thank you.

Mr. Chair, do you want to do procedures at this point too?

Good. Let's do procedures.

There are two reasoning agendas regular consent. Staff will present each application to the board of county commissioners. If staff or planning commission has recommended approval and there is no opposition, the application will be considered by the board without further presentation. If staff for planning commission has recommended denial or if there is opposition of the application, the applicant will be given five minutes for presentation. The opposition will be given three minutes for each individual or five minutes for a group representative and the applicant will be given three minutes for rebuttal. Any individual disagreeing with staff or planning commission recommendation or anyone wishing to object to any condition of the reasonzoning may at this time request the petition be pulled from the consent agenda in which case that application will be heard under the regular agenda later on during the meeting. Otherwise, all resoning applications on the consent agenda will be approved by a single motion and vote. If you wish to speak to any petition, please give your name and address and whether or not you've been sworn for the record. These are quasi judicial public hearings. The law in Florida is that mere public support or opposition of an application is insufficient for this board to take action. Please limit your comments to those criteria found within the board's land development code.

Barbara Will height 6327 Grand Boulevard Newport Richie for the applicant. [clears throat] This is just an overall context slide. I think staff has already shown you a similar slide. This one's just backed out a little bit more where you can see the VA to the south. the commercial development to the west, the newer commercial development to the west, and then the more legacy development uh more towards the north. As staff showed you, that is the um the zoning map. You can see the little bit of commercial. I would call that remnant commercial. What happens is when the county sets zoning district lines and comp plan lines, it doesn't necessarily match the depth of the commercial. This depth has been defined as the commercial that exists uh to our west. Um and so that's why you see that overlap and there's the comm overlap. Under the current future land use, the property could have 421 dwelling units. We're proposing 74 and 82% [clears throat] uh less in dwelling units. I can tell you we had a voluntary neighborhood meeting and given what other people have proposed on this property. A lot of our neighbors are very happy that we're doing 60-foot single family homes to their beautiful homes to our east, single family detached to single family detached and that we've got such a low density compared to what could be here. The the future land use um provides for a very large on a calculation standpoint a very large amount of square feet. The current height there's no m there's no maximum height because this is in the urban service area. We're proposing two stories single f as I mentioned 74 single family homes 60 foot lots on square 6,000 square foot 60 foot lots on 6,000 square foot lots. We have produced a binding concept plan. We're exceeding policy member PM26 to answer commissioner Starky. She had me look at street trees. PM26 actually is not required for 60 foot lots, but we are complying with it. But your PM26 requires two trees per lot. Um, one [clears throat] can be in the front, two can be in the front, one can be in the front, one can be in the side or the rear, but there is no requirement for a street tree. You can use your front tree in the street if you'd like or on the front of your lot. At the request of the commissioner, we anticipate this is going to be a very nice subdivision. Um, we will add a street tree. Thank you.

We need to work out that language with staff. Yes, it's an addition. So, you two the current conditions say there's two trees required. We'll add a third tree and require that that one be a street tree.

I want to make sure it's not a crepe myrtle or an understood tree. It's a shade tree.

We Yes, that's fine. We need do need to work on the specifics of that language. Hopefully, if you approve this today, we can we can work that out um in the final details, but we the client is happy to do that. So, we're exceeding exceeding PM26. It doesn't apply with that. We have the monotony control, the architectural features, the HOA manage of our on street parking, all the things that you put into PM26. These are example elevations of our 60 foot product. You can see um we're bringing back the threecar garages um which I used to have a home before I bought my home in Golf Harbors that had three-car garage. Uh very nice product. This is the binding concept plan that you've looked at. I think staff has gone over the connectivity um pedestrian connectivity. There were gaps in the pedestrian connectivity that we have filled in. I think there's a better way to show it which is the drone aerial shots that um Tampa Civil did. So this is the built environment. When you look at this is looking to the east and we've got Little Road going north south. Ross Lane is to to our right and the commercial development. When you heard staff talking about this organic reverse frontage road, it is an actual requirement. What's interesting is the commercial project to our west and all of the commercial development to the north are part of a declaration. This property is not even though it has comm on it is not part of that declaration. I am under oath. So what I'm telling you is factual. I have a legal opinion that we didn't just say this. The county attorney's office made us prove it. We proved and to their satisfaction that this property is not part of that declaration and does not have legal access to their private and they're not roads, they're driveways, they're private driveways. Can you can you explain what a declaration is because that's not something

it's you could call it a covenant of restrictions. It's a it is a what I'm not a transactional attorney.

Deed restriction basically deed restriction. It's a It's a recorded document that has conditions for that specific development, much like you're used to seeing as an MPD condition, except it only applies to the property that it attaches to and is recorded um in advance of sale of lots.

And so when the commercial development came forward, because I represent the commercial development, the county made sure that this reverse frontage road was put in. there was a gap that they didn't own on Wendy's property because they were all subject to the same declaration. This property does not have the benefit of the subject property that we're reszoning. [clears throat] Wendy's had to accommodate that leg of the driveway that goes up to King Healey, the light at King Healey. So, very purposefully the county said, Mr. the son Kale who's here said there will be a reverse frontage road going from Ross so anybody on Ross lane doesn't have to get out including this project does not have to get out on little road and can go up and through here so the vehicular connectivity running have its own frontage road is going in and will be there was gaps in the pedestrian network

and why is so

why was there gaps

so there's two gaps One is on Ross Lane because your current your exist your prior code I don't know if they I think they fixed it when they just redid your code doing with pedestrian facilities but when a project comes in for development there's a requirement that they put sidewalk in. So when I don't remember what the corner is, if it's Chipoti or or what what the user was at that corner of Little and Ross, but they're in for review. That one they had to do a sidewalk, but behind them was a pond and so they didn't trigger the sidewalk.

We have to say so

and but I you know so I think they've been on this you this has happened a bit ago but under the old code. So we came in and we say look we don't want our folks walking in the dirt. you know, they're going to we're going to put a sidewalk in, then they'll be we'll put the extension of the sidewalk off site. So, that is provided for. When you look at the frontage road, the frontage road has pedestrian facilities into it.

Mike I think it might not.

There you go. [laughter]

My laptop's getting in the way. The frontage road has a pedestrian facility into it up to the point where they put the driveway in on Wendy's property. no pedestrian facility. So the gap another gap. So you know we don't just kind of put this thing these things to you. We actually look at them and try to make sure things make sense and that we do what we need to do. So here where the red is that's a gap. So when folks would if we didn't fix that folks would come down and walk along the new frontage road and then walk in the dirt or on the road to get to Lowe's. So we're fixing that with this project. That'll be an eight foot path. Red is eight foot path. We're bringing an eight-foot path out of our project and then putting the new 8-oot path. So, there'll be pedestrian facility all along that reverse frontage road, the reverse frontage road. And that's what we are doing as part of our project. So, I hope that answers the questions. The I would just say the other thing about interesting about that declaration is it's not a association. It's an ownership and there's six to at least six to eight property owners, national property owners. Um, when the commercial folks came in, they worked with just Wendy's because they were already benefiting from that declaration, but it took them, I don't know, a year, yeah, two years to to get the approval from Wendy's to put in the road that was contemplated by the declaration. So, it's kind of crazy that

those so those all those property owners and and when you look at King Healey as the as you come up to the light between Wendy's and KFC, that road that property where the road is is owned by Kentucky Fried Chicken. So, it's not just like so simple to say you should it makes sense to we can't.

Let me just go back to the previous slide. Mhm.

So from that angle to where the red line is heading to the north.

Yes.

That property is partially commercial now. Correct.

Part of our parcel has commercial zoning on it. It's about 5.7 acres of commercial zoning and part of it has a comm land used 14 acres of comm land use. the zoning and the land use don't match the ownership lines and the

okay

land use doesn't match

but but where where it says it's on the left side of the screen it says 8 foot wide bicycle pedestrian access that you have right there that section right there is that commercial now or is that residential

um that zoning is commercial

okay so my my straight question is this if it stayed commercial would they have access to get there

no matter what

they're kind of landlocked then No.

What? That's kind of crazy.

Well, that's

Well, they come out to Ross.

That's because sometimes a lot of times our zoning district lines, our land use lines don't match property ownership lines and this is an example of that.

Okay. And I I'll say for everyone to know, Barbara and I had did have this discussion. Um, you were going to check to it. I never heard back from you, so I don't know. And we're here in

perfectly. We've we've been asked this question a bunch. It's so it's an absolutely appropriate question. We the county attorneys asked it, staff asked it. So, we are we are

and our commercial and our attorneys agree that there is no access that can be had.

David, I'm assuming you you've reviewed this.

Is that it? I I there was no reasoning in the opinion. So, I can't say whether I agree or disagree,

but we did we hire because I don't do real estate. So, it wasn't my opinion. The client hired real estate council to give a legal opinion and they put a legal opinion signed by them and their firm that we are this property is not benefiting or subject to that declaration. is not part of that declaration which I knew because I've been representing this property before it was single family homes when it was multif family rentals for the sake of the property owners around it's and I think hopefully the county everybody's very happy with this client um and the single family detached homes but so but I they hired the real estate council and a fine law firm to review the issue and issue a legal opinion

that is to get to the commissioner's point. I if they have no easements of record, they can't connect to the commercial

no matter what the land use. So there's

no matter what the

okay

it's it you know

but

all right that's that's why I want to make sure because it just doesn't make sense to me

I don't I can't tell you that that's the facts but what Barbara is saying is the the commercial property that it currently exists is under one one easement one covenant document which provides for the easements. this property is excluded from it. In which case, they would have to purchase the right to connect to it if [clears throat] they wanted to connect to it.

If nine national

owners wanted to even entertain a phone call,

right? [clears throat]

So, Mr. Starky,

um I agree. You know, that was the first thing I talked to her about said, well, we're going to we need that to connect. But I got what you just got. But I also um I was concerned about the width of the bicycle pedestrian access and I'm very happy that it's eight feet. Um this could be a golf cart community and I know we keep talking about them going to Lowe's, but the reality is hopefully they're going to go to those restaurants and help keep those restaurants afloat probably more than they're going to go to Lowe's. So, but they can tood around in their golf carts from this neighborhood. They can

next. Yeah,

that's correct. They'll be able to access all of that commercial, including Ruby Tuesdays. And

I do um I do question why we didn't make whoever put that pond in put a sidewalk along the front of it. What What was missing in our code? I know you and I have talked about missing gaps all over the place and that just seems like we missed something staff-wise or or somehow or or us up here that they got away without what the sidewalk goes to the pond and then just dumps you in the dirt.

That's correct.

That's not okay.

But I think that mean the count your staff just brought forward and amended pedestrian facilities. We was letting that happen before. I just my question.

Okay.

They just need to look at it as subdivision review because if you look at it piece by piece after subdivision review, you only see your piece. But subdivision review, they look at all of it. So,

all right. Well, that was my biggest heartache with the piece. I'm glad my attorneys looked at it and if if you guys are comfortable that there's nothing they could do except go through nine firms and trying to get over.

We even took it to a private a law firm that that's what they do and they looked at it and opined. I mean that based what I'm testifying is based upon what they gave me because I don't do that type of work. So

Okay. All right. My questions are answered. Uh any more questions for Barbara? Let's go to public comment. Anyone from the public want to speak to this item? E either item. Actually have three minutes for each. That's item P38 and P43. A presentation for the board to

receive file.

Second. All

in favor say I.

I.

As usual, they do a wonderful job with their presentations. What they didn't mention to you.

Excuse me, sir.

Yes, I'm sorry. Alen Rose, one221 Hilltop Drive, Newport Richie. And yes, I've been sworn in.

Thank you.

And uh they did a nice job. Something that they that's not been brought forward is the connection to Rocky Sink. Rocky Sink already backs up and flows reverse because of all the development that's been in this area. I've been down there personally and watched it. I've sent you pictures of Rocky Sink flowing backwards. So with that happening, you're going to flood out Cranes Roost, Bass Lake, and Golden Acres. Thank you very much. That's the important part of this because it's not being addressed in a lot of our developments. A lot of people are not addressing the riparian flow of our waterways and you're going to see more and more flooding. I already have seen enough flooding in Golden Acres. It can all be fixed, but it's not being addressed. You know, uh, Rocky Sink can have an alternative outflow, but it doesn't right now because it hasn't been addressed. The Tanglewood spill well spillway, you have a twoft difference in water flow from the top to the bottom even with the gates open. Shouldn't be because there's so many blockages in the Tanglewood spillway. This development will put pressure on our side of the road because that's where we have a natural spillway out to Rocky Sink. Then also to our east, the development Tanglewood will see the water the riparian flow being pressured to them. And since the Tanglewood spillway is nonfunctional, Tangle Wood will flood out. That's my point. And I gave you a presentation. This presentation will apply to others throughout the throughout the county. I've I've been out to date city. I've witnessed the same similar activities happen in Dade City and quite often you know you have all of the uh beautiful drainage ditches and whatnot designed they're designed to contain the pollution in accordance with D regulations. There is no nothing out there that I have found yet that's addressing the riparian flows and the additional flow that we're going to be encountering especially in my neighborhood. Thank you. anyone here to speak to this item.

Um on that on those on those comments that he was making, I I seem to recall um when Commissioner Wells was up here, they did a lot of work on that in that area,

drainage work on rock, what do you call it? Rocky something.

As I recall, part part of Magnolia Valley was going to be able to actually build it the way we were going to build it. actually would be able to hold water coming from the east or the west. So that could actually take some water from this area here. Um I I can say Alan if you if you watch the apartments on uh Ridge Road up there that were being built in the Tanglewood entryway. I did have there's one area there was like a a wetland that was kind of low. Uh I did have it checked out thoroughly. David Allen did a great job with his team and there wasn't a connection to rock sink. It was just a just a low area where the water drained to

that connects to the tango at spillway, not the rocky sink. Well, and I but I will address I will address I br up the this the tangled spillway. We will take a look at that. But there's that one area I had some calls on it that I did look at

and what they changed looks very nice and that should that should appropriate handle handle that section

but it's going to cause a lot more pressure and tangle with Tennessee. Get this on the other side. Yeah.

You're going to have a lot of flooding and tangle.

I'll be happy to work with you and Brford to go look at that and and study that issue where it's off to make sure we can if there's the correct ability to to correct that.

Thank you. And we are we are already flooding across ridge road on the other side because that's a natural spillway for us. That's how it was built and designed and you can go over there and watch the flow go under ridge road

for the mic so we can pick you up. Sorry.

You you can go and watch the the flow from Tanglewood Bass Lake. You can watch that flow going to Tangle going to Rocky Sink. But because of all the developments that's been to the south of Rocky Sink now it doesn't naturally flow like it used to. It fills up fast and then it reverses course and it floods back in. I watched all the lake all of the uh docks and bass lake go underwater and I watched homes. We all have acorage. Okay. And I watched everyone dealing with their their livestock and the cross connection to Tim Brooks with you. But if you would get with Colleen let us get the meeting set up.

Okay.

Thanks.

All right. So no one else to speak to this item. We'll close public comment. No one online.

No sir.

Okay. So to the board move approval

first hang on. First item would be P38.

P38 roll.

Excuse me. I want to make sure that the motion includes the U addition of the street.

That'll be the second.

We're doing P3. P3 land use first.

I have a motion from Commissioner Oakley.

Y approval.

Second

and a second. Commissioner Starky. Roll call vote.

District one. Commissioner Oakley.

I.

District two. Commissioner Stark Wakeakeman.

Hi.

District three. Commissioner Starky.

Hi.

District four. Commissioner Jagger.

Hi.

District five. Mariano.

I I'll go P item P43.

U. Mr. Chairman, before you take a motion, let's get the conditions out. Um Barbara, I'm looking at 10 A.

That's already in your conditions.

Um I'm I know what you want to do. I'm Let me get there.

[laughter]

um which reads, "Each single family detached lot shall have a minimum of two two trees on or in front of the lot, one of which may be in the side or backyard and one of which must be in the front of the home." Strike, but may be either and say, "Additionally, a street tree shall be in the front of the lot."

That is not a crepe myrtle. Well,

or understory tree.

That must be a canopy tree.

Y

that work for you.

Yeah.

Yeah. Is that so we require three trees?

I thought that was the

Okay. I know. I was trying to grab my my engineer.

One can be in the back.

So, yeah. So, I I left the minimum of two trees and then have additionally a canopy street tree. Additionally, there shall be a canopy street tree in the

or is that shade tree? That's Let That's Let That's Let's have

Street. Let's have the engineer help.

Jeremy Couch, Tampa Civil, I have been sworn. Um so, um Mr. Stein Snider, I'm thinking it should say each single family detail attached lot shall have a minimum of three trees. And then, um

you got to do more work if you do that. No, that's what they have to say.

One one of which shall be a shade species street tree located between the back of curb and face of sidewalk.

Okay. Now, so you raised a question to me. Um what what do we define as a tree? you you have a definition in your land development code commissioner for what shade trees are versus ornamental trees.

Okay.

So there's a specific list of

one palm tree is a tree or three

I don't think those categorize as shade trees.

No, I'm not saying shade tree. I'm talking about the one that could be in the back or the front. The other ones. What are those? So the

I mean are you going to tell me a legustrum counts or uh

Craig Myrtle?

Um I just shocked myself. Uh Patrick Deder, planning and development development review director. Um so lot trees are required to be shade trees.

Okay.

And we have uh in the development manual a list of different categories of trees, shade trees, ornamental trees, palm trees. So they will have to be of the shade tree variety.

Did you say a a palm tree? deposit

palm tree is separate category. There are larger palms that can be counted as shade tree, but no single family home is going to buy one of those very large expensive palms to count as their shade tree. So,

okay. Um, all right. That was my question.

Which definition do you want?

I'm good. That covers it.

Which which definition do we are we going to go with though? I I what

your definition is it was it was is within your code

and I wouldn't I wouldn't change it for a specific condition. You need to go back and change your land development code if you what the condition the way you spoke or the way spoke.

I think that the what Jeremy proposed is fine. Um, so it it just be um it would designate a minimum of three trees, one of one of which would be a shade, a canopy or

or shade is the word.

A shade is the word he used. A shade shade street tree.

That is So are you saying the others can be No, I I don't think I think that is not the code. Let let me hear him say what the code is. Then I need to

I I think Jeff was just being specific to the code already requires those lot trees to be shade trees. I think Jeff was also just specifically clarifying that the additional street tree also needs to be a shade tree.

Yeah. Correct.

Okay.

I promise we'll get this wording right.

Okay. Remember that wording because it's coming on whatever else is coming. Did you want to put where the location where he said of the tree or no? All right. So, let's do this. So, for P43, we're going to look for the condition from the county attorney to be stated, then we'll look for a motion.

Or you can leave it to the county attorney to approve after

your motion, the actual language.

I think do that often. You do a really good job.

They can they h they have to have three trees. One of which they're all shade. One of which is a street tree. One could be in the front or the side and the other one has to be in the back.

That's your motion.

Am I right?

Yes.

Second.

All in favor say I.

I. I.

Any opposed?

Thank you, commissioners.

I do think we should add that to our code though.

Yes, I agree. I I I an engineer brought that to my attention that we were not requiring a flaw in our code. It's the exhibit.

It's exhibit. It's exhibit G.

Yeah.

All right. Orders number P39.

P39. We approved publication of the hearing of this of the hearing of this matter. um in the November 9th edition of the Tampa Bay Times uh 2025 supplemented by an affidavit to certified mailings and site postings.

Good afternoon. Amy Tol planning development and economic growth. Uh item P39 is the adoption hearing for an ordinance amending the Pasco County comprehensive plan providing for a comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use map 2-15 and sheet 19 from comm to PD plan development on approximately 15.36 acres of real property located on the north side of state road 54 approximately.3 miles south southeast excuse me of the intersection of state road 54 in Starky Boulevard and a text amendment creating sub area policy flu 7.1.80 Blackwell Mixeduse PD and a map amendment to the future land use map 2-9 adding sub area map 2-980 Blackwell mixeduse PD and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for uh severability repealer severability and an effective date. This comes with you comes to you, excuse me, with a recommendation to accept public comment and adopt the ordinance by roll call vote. Uh there is a presentation available if necessary. This is also the companion comprehensive plan amendment to item P44, which is the uh MPD resoning.

I want to hear a presentation, please.

Sure. Would you like to hear them both together?

Uh yes.

Okay. All right. So, the item before you right now is the comprehensive plan amendment. As stated, it is a small-scale comprehensive plan amendment from COMM commercial to PD plan development. The intent is to allow for a mixeduse development consisting of 290 multifamily dwelling units and 100,000 square feet of commercial medical office and retail uses on approximately 15.36 acres. The substract site is located north on the north side of state road 54 approximately.3 miles southeast of the intersection of state road 54 and Starky Boulevard. This is also creating sub area policy flu 7.1.80 with the companion sub area policy map as well as there's a companion or an accompanying MPD resoning. Here's a county location map. The subject site is located in the south market area and the urban service area.

Here's a visual of the context map. As you can see, it is located on the east side of Starky Boulevard just north of State Road 54. The projects or current MPDs that are in proximity as a Longleaf MPU, Starky Ranch MPD to the north, Mitchell SJP MPUD to the south, and Mitchell Ranch East MPD to the west. Here are the entitlements that were previously approved in all of those MPDs. There is also an 8-foot sidewalk on the north side of State Road 54. Here's just an aerial view zoomed in so you can see the subject site. The existing future land use of Calm Commercial, the proposed future land use of PD. This is a screenshot or a visual of the sub proposed sub area policy. Uh there is 290 dwelling units, multif family apartments that are proposed uh non-residential uses of 100,000 square feet with additional uh development standards in place that the MPD will implement.

Here's a proposed conceptual plan that goes alongside the sub area policy of the comprehensive plan amendment. And the proposed amendment is consistent with the following comprehensive plan policies. The intent of the PD plan development land use policy flu 1.6.1 policy flu 8.1.2 policy flu 1.8.7 policy flu 1.8.10 as well as policy flu 9.1.7. And with that, we recommend to accept public comment and adopt the proposed comprehensive plan amendment by roll call vote. Um, and I can have the MPD come up unless you have some questions on the comp plan.

I've I've just got a basic question. It talks about economic development being part of the looking at it, talking about trips, etc. But biggest problem I got is I'm going from commercial and I'm going from having two million square feet of comm to 5% of that 100,000.

Mhm.

As I look at the U mobile home parks at one side, I'm looking at the um storage unit to the side. To me, it's a prime piece of commercial property. uh not the best for residential even though it's a it's a mix of what's being proposed. But why would I want to take 2 million of commercial square feet when I've got tons of apartments up and down 54 that people are clamoring for too much too much. Um and I'll gr I'll grant the commission over the past several years we've improved the amount of people that are leaving this county to go to work, but I still think we still got a long way to go to getting to what would be very very successful to where I think our goals are. Um, so I'm just wondering why are we going to take two million square feet of commercial and bring it with such a heavy residential component and consider that's a good economic plan.

Sure. Um, so with this proposal and the general location, um, I've I have the context map up to show you what the improved entitlements are surrounding with the 2 million square feet of potential commercial. This is a free range of commercial. So you could still get a storage. There's no prohib prohibitions or it's not prohibited in any way. You can still get your self storage, your gas stations, your car washes in its current platform, in its current position. Um I believe the zoning is AC, so it's it would need to be reszoned to a compatible zoning district, but the full range of commercial opportunity can still occur here. What the applicant is proposing is even though they are reducing the commercial, the amount of non-residential uses that are proposed are actually employment generating land uses. So they're your office uses, your multif or your um uh medical facilities, medical offices, those types of uses. In the proposal, they're not uh allowing for um the car washes and the gas stations, as we know, proliferate this area. Additionally, this is also in the urban service area. The county has established the urban service area for purposes of focusing their density and intensity in that area. And so through the levels of negotiation that we've had with the applicant in an opportunity to retain the employment generating land uses through the commercial opportunities, we've kind of downloaded that into the sub area policy in exchange for allowing the residential to occur. There's also site design that was negotiated through this and so it almost acts as its uh little town center where the users can still activate and utilize the uh proposed non-residential uses, medical facilities, office and whatnot. There's also connections on the east to those non-residentidential. And then this also shows the Mitchell SJP um with 100,000 square feet of non-residential that was just recently approved as well as 550,000 foot business park. So this residential use is acting as a companion to the non-residential uses that are coming into play. And we're not just allowing for full-on residential conversion. This is a mixeduse development that that prioritizes the already existing employment generating uses that could potentially occur through the calm flu but also managing it with the residential that can support the surrounding uses.

But the bottom line is I'm getting 5% of the commercial that I have now and I'm giving up 95% of that to hold onto this for office space.

Correct.

Can I ask that? Yeah. So, but there is a demand that the problem I have with this resoning is there is a demand for light industrial and for office space and there is an influx of apartments already. Um, the sheriff's office concern was that they're already stretched enough and we're adding more to that and also the roads in failure. So, we're we're going to be adding more congestion to the road and like Commissioner Mariano said, we have all of that land there. Why would we give it up for apartments?

Sure. So, commercial actually allows for residential to occur. Um, in the calm flu, it is required to be vertically integrated if it is to occur. Um, the calm flu allows for 24 dwelling units per acre. So, they can still get up to 24 dwelling units right now. The proposed amount of density reduces that to 18. So, its overall impact on the network is actually reduced from what it can currently get now. But but you said it had to be vertical.

Correct.

That would have had to been vertically. This is not vertically.

This is not

There is opportunities for vertical integration, but it is not required.

Okay, let's go to the zoning.

Sounds good. This would be P44. We have proof of publication in the November 5th, 2025 edition of the Tampa Bay Times, supplemented by an affidavit of certified mailings and site postings.

Good afternoon, William Vermillion, Planning, Development, Economic Growth. This is PDE 267778, the companion to the Blackwell CPA. This is the Blackwell multif family office complex MPD. And before I get started today, I would like to enter some expartees into the record associated with this project, as well as a letter from HCA Florida's CEO, Michael Irving, uh, who expressed support for the residential here in relation to his hospital and the amount of employees they generate. Motion to receive and file.

Second.

Can I

I'll move approval.

Move to approval.

Or second.

A second. All in favor say I.

I.

Take a pick. Clap of course. Oh, this is a resoning request from AC agricultural to MPUD master plan unit development district. This is for the maximum development of 290 multif family units and 50,000 square feet of commercial and medical professional office on approximately 15.36 acres. This is on the north side of state road 54 about.3 miles east of the state road 54 and Starky Boulevard intersection. The current location map, the current zoning map reflecting AC, the current future land use map of course reflecting comm. Here is a contextual map to orient to to the south like uh Miss Tol had had previously stated is the Mitchell SJP business park uh which allows for roughly 630,000 square feet of non-residential combined with 515,000 of that 630,000 proportion being allotted to the business park for employment generating land uses. The Starky Trail uh runs along the Duke easement that we can see there on the west of the screen up to 54 before it crosses. This is the MPD master plan. And this is the most illustrative version here that can show the commissioners uh exactly what an integrated product this is while retaining that valuable commercial frontage and window with office and much more neighborhood friendly commercial uses along the frontage. So, I think an important thing to note would be previously like like Amy mentioned, uh, commercial, it could have allowed for a whole host of uses that fell within general commercial C2. Of course, they'd have to come in for a zoning, but in this MPD, uh, the applicant worked with staff to restrict those commercial uses to neighborhood scale commercial, which is C1. So, we're not talking about, you know, gas stations and self- storage. We're talking about neighborhood serving commercial that's going to be there aligning the corridor which is much more friendly to the walkability of the residential as well as professional office uh to contemplate the residential component in the area. Here we can see the pedestrian facilities that are on the north side of 54. This project directly connects to those red dotted lines. I know that it's a little bit tough to see if Could can you guys zoom in on just the just the plan and cut all the words out?

That hurt my eye.

I think I think is that is that a lot easier to see the detail there? I apologize for that. I should have zoomed in earlier. So those red dotted lines there illustrate the pedestrian connectivity that allows pedestrians to go from 54 to the non-residentidential professional office and C1 neighborhood scale uses up the boulevard as you move into the project with with angled on street parking. Access some of those park features that are both uh adjacent to both those first two buildings of multif family. As you move north, the orientation of the buildings lends to uh the pedestrian scale as you move further north into the larger central park and finally towards the trail that goes around that storm water pond. And I would like to to point out that right now it's currently shown as those two reds being 5 foot, but the applicant has voluntarily agreed to make that leg uh running north to south 8 ft to accommodate for the the amount of volume of pedestrian users that we could see here. as this project pedestrian um provides a pedestrian connection there up to the northeast to the existing Starky Blueberry Farm where a pedestrian connection is is currently being contemplated through their their residential subdivision. That residential subdivision and its internal pedestrian connectivity would allow residents both from this development to circulate north to the multi-use path along Lake Blanch as well as allow users from or residents from the Starky Blueberry Farm to circulate south to the signalized intersection that's being put in here at 54 of which this project is paying its proportional share with Mitchell SJP to be able to safely cross into the employment generating area. I believe I'd like to can I move while not?

Sure.

So on that part to this side where it'll connect up to Starky, is that going to be a vehicular access or if not why not?

Sure. That that's because the uh the Starky blueberry farm, its res subs were already approved with no vehicular access there. So the the best that staff could do was was work with the the engineer of record with that with that site plan because one wasn't contemplated there um previously and what we were able to fit there was that 8 foot pedestrian path connection to allow circulation up to Lake Blanch.

Do you think part of it might have been not contemplated because it was going to be a commercial site instead of a residential site?

Uh I I wouldn't believe that I wouldn't believe that's the case. I I would feel that or actually looking at the documents I wouldn't feel I know uh the contemplation wasn't contemplated as the MPD as a whole they actually had a connectivity plan that was approved with the entire MPD which showed their access and at at such time when they provided connectivity plan at approval that area of Starky Ranch Blueberry Farm was always contemplated to be a storm water pond.

Okay,

Mr. Starky

not not exactly. Um, originally there was a connection, but this property owner chose to take it out. When we when we owned that, there was a connection to 54.

Um, I don't know if now's the time to ask you. We you and I met about that's a that that connection doesn't work with all those right turns if you're riding a bike or anything. So we talked about bringing that 8 foot straight down. Yes, ma'am.

Coming over, but you didn't change the map.

Well, that's what I I was trying to explain on the record. The applicant is is amanable to that. We he just didn't have time to change his plan set with the engineer. However, as a part of the motion today, if the board was to to seek approval, we would like to add that condition in that uh there is an illustration that I sent him, which uh is consistent with our our talks that we had about both widening the path and changing the alignment to to remove some of those ride angles for uh bicyclists. Okay,

here's the the one variation from the code. This is from 9016 D11 to not provide a vehicular connection to the north or to the west. So, if we if we go back to the west, there's the existing uh there's the existing community there. Um they currently exist and didn't contemplate it didn't contemplate any connection here. It's the uh that is the country place community and then to the north as as we just mentioned the the location of the storm water pond the best that that we could do is provide a pedestrian connection to the north to the uh to solita or the blueberry farm. Uh with that this project comes with a recommendation of approval with conditions from both the planning commission and planning development economic growth. I'm available for further questions. Any other questions for staff? No, I'll hear from the applicant.

Afternoon. Steve Booth, 3030 Starky Boulevard, representing the applicant. I wish that I had uh had the opportunity to record everything that both Miss Null and the other gentlemen said because they've really laid out a good understanding of what this application is all about. And I think that uh I feel personally that it was addressed as far as the numbers were concerned of commercial and the various uh locations in the immediate area especially across the street where there will be uh what I would believe would be adequate uh commercial. The as far as the access is concerned to the north where they are suggesting an interconnect was not possible as far as the roadway was concerned because of the plan that um was put in place related to the what he referred to as the Starky blueberry farm. But my client has agreed to the expanded sidewalk and and we'll will have to see how and where it's going to be oriented because with the significant wetlands and the ponds to the north uh and the right turns that they spoke of is going to be somewhat of an unknown that while we agree in concept, we think we have to have the opportunity to uh look at the actual suggested locations and working with staff to finalize a location that that works for both parties and for uh the county. Uh with that being said, I'll try to answer any other questions that you might have. And we do have our engineer available to uh try and answer any other questions that I can't answer. Any questions?

Okay, time for public comment. Anyone here from the public to speak to this item?

Okay, it's to the board. We're going to go to the land use first. Move approval.

We're doing 39.

PE 39.

Second. No, you'd have to um

any further discussion.

Yes. Um so

I I I didn't know whether I should or not recuse myself from this. Um but both the administrator and the applicant once and the county attorney said, "Do you have a conflict?" So maybe if three people are bringing this up, I'll just go ahead and recuse myself in the basis of caution. And I do that because uh we have our own apartment complex that is approved. Uh just needs site plan approval right behind this one. And my husband is working on uh a project with the Mitchells across the street that has three across the street apartments. So um I feel I should excuse myself just to be on the safe side.

All right. Um, I'll make a comment as far as in my basic fundamentals to losing this much commercial space with so many apartments out and around the area, all the traffic that's in there that I'm not comfortable moving the land use forward.

Yeah, I I agree with you. We have over an abundance of apartments. So, and the roads already in failure. So,

you're on a sixlane road right in front of this project. True, but is six lanes enough. Look at the traffic that's out there.

Yeah.

How you going to add the other apartments that we just talked about?

And I got more coming down the street having approved.

There's tons of them out there and it's it's just loaded with traffic. I get calls all the time about it and comments all the time about it.

Yeah.

So,

the tough part is is Sorry, Chairman.

Mr. Wman. Sorry.

The tough part is on this is your staff. It diminishes the traffic count pretty significantly from what's currently approved on the site. Um, always bearing in mind the challenges that you bring up on 54 back

that way. There you go. Um, wow. [laughter]

I hear you better. Better than coffee.

Put it back where it was. So the the the tough part on this is is with staff saying that it taking the traffic situation the traffic situation at hand and there staff is said it's going to bring down traffic volumes with this with this plan which I do think it complements what's going in with Mr. Mitchell's pro project across the street, especially with the red light. But the traffic the traffic argument alone, I I don't know if we're going to receive another another plan that comes in that's going to have a lesser impact on the traffic situation. So, I mean, kind of is what it is at this point. So, it I don't know what what way to cut it. how many different ways to negotiate this this project for what it is. Either way, I think is I don't know. Either way, it's going to impact traffic no matter what. And again, it's difficult. I just the board I think needs to be careful to hold properties hostage in these types of situations which we're going to come up against because It's almost like if you're first, you got in and whenever a property owner wants to sell or or or evolve their property, then they're being punished, if you will, that no, you can't do it because the road's already full. It's a tough It's a tough position to be in all the way around. But I just see more scenarios like this coming forward as Pasco grows. So, just something that I think about and I just figure I don't pine on on that. Commissioner Jagger,

the one point is that it's been our board's position to protect our employment areas and and that's what I would have to say to that is that we do have a big parcel that something could go there, a big employment generator, whereas we really don't need any more apartments. So then in that's the case. So then traffic the traffic argument would be off the table then which is which is the argument that's before us right now is the big argument is oh 54 is full. Well the use alternative of this according to Amy it's going to potentially bring way more traffic than what this project could. So unless there's some other professional opinions out there that that say otherwise, if you're looking at the big part of the decision being based on the volume, the new potential new volume of traffic on this stretch of 54, then that goes the other way. So you know, let me give you my thoughts a little bit more, M Commissioner Way, because when you look at it, it's it's there's a few facets to it. And first of all, we've been hearing for years all these traffic studies about how we're not in trouble with traffic and we look and we know there's traffic there and we got evidence from stitch constituents that say it's jam-packed with traffic, but they say it's okay. What I look at is this is a commercial site. It's got IIL to the side. It's got a a park to the side, mobile home park to the side on the land use part where we have all the flexibility say we like it or we don't like it. This is one to say if we're going to create jobs to take care of all the other residential, you know, is going all around there and I've got plenty of apartments going up and down the road and I got plenty of traffic now, never mind how it's going to get worse and worse. If I can create jobs there, I'm going to say depending what goes on there as well, it'll help not only economically, but I think it goes actually the other way with it. Even though data will show to different things. It's commercial piece of property. We're supposed to be pro protecting our tax base. Even with what this does for taking away, it'll take away jobs. Number one, why do we want to take away jobs? We want people working here. We're still at 40% of our people leaving to go somewhere else. I want to see that number go down. And to take away a prime set of property that's so accessible to so many people that to go put apartments in it when I can create jobs, I want to see the jobs. Mr. Just just in what you said right then, you're telling me that we shouldn't approve this because it's going to bring in more traffic. The road can't handle any more traffic. So, Miss Stark is going to come in a month from now or two months from now. Want her apartments to come in. We're going to say no also then and we're going to say no to the next group with the Mitchells.

Hers is already approved.

On and on.

Her hers is already approved.

Oh, it's already approved. That that was the comment she made was hers and and the property across the street had already been approved. Diana

already been approved. Okay.

And and just FYI for what's

so they don't create any problem that causes everybody from this point on not to be able to build apartments.

I'm I'm going to say that Commissioner Oakley. I've I've heard out there that people have had enough apartments. They don't want to see anymore. And if I'm going to take good commercial property and go turn it to more apartments, that's not what I'm hearing out there that the folks want to do. And in the land use plan with what we have in front of us, we don't have to approve it based upon what we see in front of us. And I tell you, if I think you were at the economic development program with too, and you you saw a slide in there saying there's actually an oversaturation now with apartments. There's starting to get to be too many. And I'm going to tell you from what's even coming our way, I think we're going to see more than we need anyway. So, do I need more? No. Do I want to see more jobs? Yes. I want to

So, we're going to put a moratorium on apartments from this day forward.

I'm telling you right now, we're dealing with a land use issue right now that says, do I want to take 2 million square feet of office commercial space and go down to 5%. I'm going to say no. I don't want to see it go.

Mr. Chairman, I just don't think that's right. So

right now this this situation is not looking at this pro apartment or for you know for against apartments. This comes down to the state of traffic and the congestion with what's going on around it. And so either accept the fact that 54 is full and we're going to continue to be essentially, you know, up against making decisions on 54 and taking the traffic argument out that DOT did not construct this road the right way. We just have to live with it, this board and future boards. So the decision today at hand is you approve a project that creates less traffic on 54 which everybody's well aware of or it doesn't get approved and then whatever project comes in creates more traffic on 54 and then that's just the nature of the beast there. And so my my my viewpoint on this is the traffic situation because we're going to continue to hear about the traffic situation. Whether you're on east of 41 or or or west of 41 on 54, you're going to hear a similar story all along. So that's my position on this piece and on this decision today. And you know I you hear people they want to have lesser traffic but for the record it's not for or against the product type 54. I think our decision my decisions and staffs out there is going to be based upon the volume of traffic of projects that will be added to 54. So the context in my mind that's for our planning staff. That's really what I'm thinking about, but I don't think there's any way any way around it. So, I guess it's 22.

Um, Mr. County Attorney, just as a point of order, I guess.

Um, we did public comment. We ended public comment. I didn't give the applicant a chance to speak. Should I have or did I need to? Because there was no input from the public.

There was no input from the public. There was nothing to rebut.

So, there so it's to the board. Okay.

Yes.

Sorry,

Mr. Mr. Chairman, I'd just like to make a comment if I could.

I don't think it's appropriate,

Mr. County Attorney. It

It's that's completely up to the board whether whether you want to hear from the applicant's lawyer.

All right. Because we didn't get a chance at No, but I'll give you a chance to speak.

Thank you. Um, as far as the traffic issue is concerned, I think your professional staff is saying that it's going to reduce the traffic. And it's not, in my opinion, pertinent to think to say, well, people out there don't like the traffic the way it is, and therefore, uh, I'm going to ignore what the staff has to say. Additionally, about the job situation, I um had not previously seen the letter from Mike Iran, the um CEO of HCA Hospital, which is just up the street. By far, by far the largest employer in the area and one of the largest uh in the county. and he specifically says he supports this project as it will provide additional housing options for our 1,500 plus employees. So you're talking about housing then that the CEO of the hospital just up the street would like to see because it would provide additional options for his employees. And I would submit that many many many of those jobs at the hospital are highpaying jobs. And then the staff also said that the office that this that the applicant agreed to on the front portion of the the commercial in the office would likewise generate highpaying jobs. So that I really believe that both of those issues have been adequately addressed and should be considered uh in this uh application. Thank you.

Thank you. And I'll and I'll go back to uh I have considered all of that. Um when I consider again 2 million square feet of commercial that can go there could create a lot of jobs even all sorts of doctor's office etc to go in there. Now we're shorting ourselves to 5% of that total for that reason. Forget your traffic even. Um I want to see the commercial jobs here and there's a great chance for a great office park. We we saw from Lane Mendelson over in Wesley Chapel there's no office space where he's at trying to expand out. He can't expand out. I got to think Trinity is the same type of thing and the same gentleman that's out there with that that could have built an office park there is willing to do something here. Um, I think the potential for something much better than just more apartments in the area.

Mr. Chairman,

Commissioner Oakley,

I will say that uh the word about the hospital down the street,500 employees, they need extra apartments in the area to house their working force. and for those nurses [snorts] and all that actually travel into the area to work and then they're close by very close by to facility they'll be working

and as we've heard there going to be a lot of apartments close by already and there's even more right down the street that aren't far away either

and there's still in those apartments as well not full motion

we have a motion to second call go should we call the role

I moved I move to approve and he's seconded

should we call the role

district one District 1, Commissioner Oakley.

I.

District two, Commissioner Wegman.

I.

District three, Commissioner Starky abstains. District four, Commissioner Jagger.

No.

District five, Chairman Mariono.

Nay.

22. You need a majority to approve a comp plan amendment. So it would die for

fact majority. You don't have a majority.

So no need to get the zoning either. You need you basically you can deny the zoning based on the fact that you would have to deny the zoning based on the fact that it is not consistent with the comprehensive plan.

Do I have a motion for P44?

I move to approve.

No, you deny.

No, move to deny. P44.

Yes.

Okay. I will second the motion. All in favor say I.

I.

Nay.

I abstain.

Nay.

We can go back and forth with this.

We have to I mean we just had a motion to deny.

Yeah.

Go back to the other way. Get a motion to approve. We're going to have the same denial.

No, it's the same thing.

Same thing. It still just stops.

It's not You don't have a majority. We don't have a majority to deny it or approve it.

So it just dies.

So it dies. Yeah.

For the record with Commissioner Starky abstaining again.

Yes. All right.

P40 begins the zoning um agenda. We have proof of publication of

most cases.

We have proof of publication in the Tampa Bay Times November 5th, 2025, but supplemented by an affidavit of certified mailings and site postings.

Good afternoon. Amy Tol uh with planning, development, and economic growth. Item P40 is a zoning amendment in the name of Dubulus and Little MPD master plan unit development. Gan D Little, Terry W. Little, Peter A. Little at all. It's a resoning request from an MPU master plan unit development to an MPUD master plan unit development to amend the MPU and associated infrastructure on approximately 17.99 acres located approximately 300 ft south of the Little Road and Decubulus Road intersection. Uh this comes with you with a recommendation of approval with conditions and there's an uh presentation if necessary.

Uh this is on consent. It's our only consent item. Uh is there any hearing to speak in opposition to P40? Leave it on consent. Do we have a motion for consent?

Approval. Second.

All in favor say I.

I. Two consents.

No today.

Is that a record too?

Oh. Okay. Item P41.

P41. Proof of publication in the Tampa Bay Times. November 9th, 2025 and November 16th, 2025 for the meeting of December 9th, 2025, where it was continued to today. Good afternoon. Joanne Ravita, Real Property Division. This item was continued from the December 9th board meeting. The Real Property team has received a petition to vacate a portion of an undeveloped platted right ofway and utility easement that was filed by Compass Land USA fund 1LP. The vacation will allow for the creation of two larger lots that will be accessed from Gilbert Street. That's lot number one. That's lot number two. The transportation engineering department was consult.

Let me stop you for a second.

Sure.

I had asked for the continuence and commissioner all the commissioners agreed to it. I am comfortable with this item. Is everyone else comfortable with it too?

I don't need a presentation. So, in in the interest of time, um, if everyone's comfortable with it, uh, is anyone here in the public want to hear it and speak against item P41?

Okay, we have a motion forward for approval, then

move to approve. Second.

All in favor say I.

I.

Any opposed?

Okay, P41's approved. Uh, item P42,

petition to vacate. We have proof of publication in the December 14th and December 21st editions 2025 of the Tampa Bay Times.

Good afternoon. Joanne Ravita, Real Property Division. The Real Property team has received a petition to vacate a portion of a platted utility easement filed by Greg and Veronica Johnson. There are no utilities located within the easement. All utilities are located within the public right of way along Gayen Street. petitioner's lots have been unified and the platted easement dissects them. The purpose of this vacation is to allow for future development. There were no objections to this petition and the team recommends approval.

Okay. Any questions for staff? Anyone here from the public to speak to this item? Anyone online?

No, sir.

We'll close public comment back to the board. Move

approve. Second.

All in favor say I. I.

I. Any oppose? Okay, we'll go to commissioner's items. Mr. Oakley, that was in find out where I'm at there. We had a couple of things. Um had the opportunity to go spirits the community leader breakfast Atlanta lakes last Friday. um showed a picture there and then um after that went on to honor the uh grand opening of the Mafet Spiritus uh outpatient center on Friday, January 9th. And there we are. That's all I had for today. Okay. Thank you, Commissioner Waitman.

Yeah, thanks Chair. Yeah, just very nice.

I figured you'd have photos. you're better capturing photos of me. But very nice event at Moffett. Congratulations to everybody who was working on this prior to my time. Um saw a lot of happy faces from from working on this from from years to to present. And um did you have pictures of Ford? You have the Ford pictures. Any of those on yours?

I didn't put them on the phone, but

Oh, anyway. Well, we had congratulations to Jarrett Ford, Commissioner Oakley, and Mariano and I uh for the opening of Jarrett Ford, which is pretty neat. We had Henry Ford II's granddaughter.

Wow.

Present uh at uh present and be there with the the the Jarrett family. And that was a pretty pretty cool piece of American history and American business history to meet her. But I tell you what, she is she's you can tell she runs the ship and uh she's responsible for over 10,000 plus Ford locations domestically and internationally. And so to have her come to Pasco County uh was was pretty neat. And then lastly, I want to thank Tony and the and the staff um for putting together the Farm Share uh event that's coming up next Friday. Um, and we're going to have it at Life Church, which is in between Oakland Boulevard, Oakland Boulevard, and Old Pasco Road near the Grove. Expecting a pretty strong turnout. So, I want to thank everybody at County for for helping us put one of these on. I know it's been a long time coming for this area. And if anybody's um uh wanting to come, weather might be a little bit warmer hopefully uh to help folks out. So, anyway, just wanted to thank everybody and and um that's all I have, Mr. Chair.

Okay. Mr. Joerger, Mr. Starky.

Um, so, uh,

he's not comments.

I, um, also, uh, attended, I think Commissioner Mariana did as well. Um, but he had gone by the time I got here, uh, the first new class of the citizens academy. So, um, looks like another wonderful class. Um, and I also attended the Spiros, uh, leadership breakfast and grand opening. I have a little story to tell. Some of you old-timers might remember Renatos, a rest, uh, restaurant that was on 54. Um uh one of the Renatos is in my bunko ladies group and um unfortunately both of them have cancer and uh she told me that they would be going to the U Moffett Spiros campus for the first time last week instead of driving all the way down to Tampa for their treatment. and they were so excited that they could just, you know, go 10 minutes, 15 minutes around the corner and take up the whole day and and drive to Tampa. So, pretty cool that I got that I have friends that are being helped right right here in Pasco County. Um, we uh had the the budget and the homeless workshop and uh also the economic forecast lunchon and um I attended the Riverside Village septic to sewer meeting and I have to tell you a little funny story. Oh, you can't read the writing on there. Um but on that picture that gentleman is saying that um you know we went for a grant if you remember uh Commissioner Simpson had told us he had set some money aside for septic to sewer conversions and when we were trying and trying to access some of that money um with uh Representative Joerger but we were we were I don't know we've not been successful with that pot of money but he was able to secure almost a thousand dollars a million dollars in the legislative uh cycle last year and but there was still a four to5 million shortfall to take about 70 or 80 houses and get them get them um onto county the county system because when it rains their septic system is in the street and the sidewalks just turn brown. It's just they have to move out some of them go stay with friends in heavy heavy rain. So we're at the meeting is it's actually at my church and they're mentioning they got 4.8 8 million from CDB CDBG money. So this is 7 8:00 at night and I'm texting Brford and and uh county administrator like I don't recall voting on this. Um this isn't a lowinccome area. So how did they qualify? I didn't I didn't I was about to get up and say don't count your chickens yet because we haven't voted on this with our CDBGDR money and um and then I found out that the gentleman that who's back is to us is a he is a consultant to FGUA what's the name of the company Edmond Jones

Jones Edmonds

Jones Edmonds and he got a the project 100% funded with state CDBG funding now I didn't even know that we could apply for state CDBG money, but apparently the state got who know who who here knows how much they got. And this gentleman was telling me how much money he was bringing into all the other counties.

Oh, the state DR.

The state DR money.

Okay. Yeah.

So, I'm hoping that we can jump on the bandwagon and see what else we can apply for and definitely get some more septic to sewer money from the state. And what else do they have that we can apply for? cuz I thought that since we only had our we got our CDBGDR money, we I didn't think I thought that was for the states that didn't get any, but that's not the case.

Well, we had a direct allocation, which is rare.

We had a double dip.

Well, I'll find out if we can.

Well, well, I know we can because he said he got tens of millions of dollars for Lee County. Is Fort Myers in Lee County?

Yes. He got tens of millions of dollars for Lee County to do septic to sewer conversions.

We should have Alfred and C Pines right on the list.

Yeah. Yeah.

Can we Can we reach out to them, Mike, and and make that happen?

Yeah. Conor,

they used to they work force in the past.

This is a phone call. We'll we'll check it.

100% funding. The people don't even have to pitch in.

That'd be huge.

Um Okay. Um [clears throat] I hosted a charity run for John Hopkins All Children's Hospital on Saturday. Um, there is Mike and his wife. Is this before or after you spilled her coffee?

No.

I think this is during. I think her hand is dripping with her coffee. Her latte.

Did you run?

I walked it. I walked it. Yeah. This is my girlfriend and I walking it.

Mr. T, we got a problem with this picture.

Is it Is it Is it Is it okay to wear shorts and a winter hat? I don't know. [laughter] There some

There's something going there. I don't know.

It It was a little chilly. I actually had two layers of pants on.

It is if you run 6.2 miles on this, right? [laughter]

Uh but we had um over 160, you know, we capped it at 150 and then we added some people in at the end. Um but we raised uh actually we raised 20 over $20,000 which is great for our first attempt. It was a lot of fun. um with our parks department. It was the second time they'd ever used their race equipment and the first time they did it with 50 people. So um oh yeah, here's some of the pictures though. These are great. Um look, so there were a lot of kids here who were John All Children's patients.

Um and so that and that and that's what we want to get, right? I just was it was kind of emotional, but um Commissioner Joerger that that your name is on the back of that shirt for your sponsorship, so we'll have to make sure you get a shirt.

Um there was another picture of all the county employees that did it.

Didn't we take more than one?

Well, um let's see. So, we had a 10 mile or 10k run. We had a 5k run walk, which is what I did. And then we had this one mile fun run and that's that's the one you see with all the kids. Um and they they went up and back. So and then they had the bounce house and everything. And so uh thank you for participating county administrator and uh and um look for this again next year. It'll be even bigger and better. Let's see. Um okay. Uh I'm taking up the time that you guys you guys had a short list. Um, Mike, I emailed you the list of the CDBG HP HPMG. Is that

uh HMGP hazard mitigation program?

I I don't recall us ever talking about it. Can you put that list up on the screen?

Um, did you guys ever see this list?

What list?

Yeah, exactly. So

I have so the

we got how how many millions of dollars did we get for that HGMP?

I think I'd like to bring Andy Fawa up to talk about the HMGB.

HMGP. This is the this is the pot of money that that I said we cleaned out the Ankllo River with for a little part of it last time we got some. Kevin Guthrie got us this money. I've been asking asking to have get the rivers clean, but apparently someone there's already a list and we didn't see it. So,

I think he should sit down. We normally see him when [laughter]

things aren't the best.

Good afternoon, everybody. Andy Fos, Emergency Management.

Um, the list

there there is some confusion with the HMGP list and the local mitigation strategy working group. Please tell us what that is.

So the local mitigation strategy working group is a um a group of members from the county. It could be public works utilities. Uh and then we have stakeholders outside stakeholders. Um it could be hospitals. It could be community developments. And then we have our municipalities. They make up this working group. So, what happens is um the county and all the members come in with a list of projects they would like to see be done with either HMGP money, it could be FMA money, it could be HLMP money,

FMA,

uh flood mitigation assistance,

flood mitigation,

and um

uh there's a few other grants. I can't tell you off the top of my head because there's so many of them. So what happens is the group comes in with their projects. The group rates the projects and they form a list from one to whatever 21 22 23 uh projects. As these grants come over like especially the hazard mitigation grant program which you can we can do elevation acquisition, storm water project, generator projects, uh building hardening projects. As we go down the list, because we have to go down in chronological order, we pick these list these these projects out and we submit them into the state and then through FEMA. As these projects get approved and funded, then that project gets packaged up, comes to us, then we package it up and we present it to the board for approval. So half of these that you see on this list right now and you can see on the right hand side they tell you where they're at right now. Application review some have been closed some have been approved. When they get approved at that level and they come back to us is when you guys see them

is this there's four pages. This isn't all of it. Where's where's the other pages?

Can someone cycle? Thanks.

What does it mean when it says backup? like take a Sunfish Drive elevation backup.

I'd have to see.

I mean,

I don't have the list in front of me.

My issue is why weren't we part of this?

So, I I think Yeah, if I may, Commissioner. So, Andy, I I think really what I'm hearing from Commissioner Starky, and I don't know how long the process has been the way that it is, right? Stakeholders

2015.

So, since 2015, this has just been the process by which that the county has undergone. So stakeholders come together uh and they look at criteria and they prioritize these across these various grant funding sources which are not necessarily guaranteed. Um and then you just said they come chronologically. I mean I saw things from storms from Debbie. That's why I'm asking.

So that is just a list of just the HMGP stuff.

Okay.

So anyway, but but anyways just to to cut to the heart of the matter here. if if you know I think this board is used to having transparency with prioritizing things when it comes to say opioid funding or other other types of programs. Um you know it it's there's a lot of minutia with this but if the board would like us to revisit the policy that's been in place for 10 years to bring back things that would allow the board to help set priorities as well I am happy to do that. Um it's it's a lot of money. There's a lot of things that go on with it, but I would prefer that we have a presentation available to it that can walk through what this program is about, what the dollars are, and what the appropriate when when it would be appropriate to have board input into it. What I'm hearing you say though is that, hey, there's projects that we don't even see it until it comes forward for approval and maybe that you'd like to have a thumbrint on that prior to and happy to do that. We just need to find

the first time I brought up the HGMP the CDBG HGMP M HMGP money

hazard mitigation grant

I brought it up and I I don't know what pass now these are FEMAs I don't know Pasco County project number two number four um I where why are the rivers not in here cleaning the rivers and you heard the presentation this morning what happened to that

because that will that those projects that you see on that list come from the various departments. It could be public works.

Well, are we not a department?

No.

We don't get to have input.

We don't get to have input and how any of this money is spent. That's part of my problem here.

And that's what I'm hearing you say. And I'm

But this isn't the first time I said it.

That's my problem. I've been asking about these.

Oh, does the board agree? If the board wants that, then I'll we will do it.

Well, I I'll go if I could. You know when I look at you got fed share non-fed share that means we're paying anytime this body is going to spend money and approve it I think early in the process of the appropriate time have a recommend body okay we have different stakeholder groups but before this gets submitted anywhere it should be in front of us to see which ones we want to put through

now I I will say there's a ton of projects here they don't seem like be a lot of large scale lot a lot of looks like small scale but if it doesn't hurt us to go forward to put projects in so it. Um, but I hate to get something approved, especially that's been submitted now, and then say, "Oh, we don't want to do it." Though I do see a couple of city projects that, frankly, we've given I see I see Pasco County and Country Village here for $939,000 and I've given them $2 million of money already and they're going to be now blighted and I'm going to give them money. I'm going to go take Bayhead Road, Bay Boulevard and whatever on in in the city of Port Richie and go put money to that when I know they got a big storm water pond that I should be working with DOT and us to go clean that thing out to get that southern outfall done before I go raise the road. I should fix the flooding first. So yeah, I think we should be looking at all these things and if it's appropriate now may now may be a good not today but surely might be a good

So let me clarify a little bit. When these items are selected, say the city of Newport Richie put a storm water project in, we submit the projects in. If that project gets approved, we do not manage that. We do not put any funding towards it. That we let them know your project has been approved and you guys can move forward with it.

But if that's money that could have come to this county instead of the city, then there's a problem.

I I understand that. But unfortunately, by statute, it's a stakeholder group. the stakeholders are the ones that formulate the list and rank the list. We do not have as the chair and co-chair we do not have say over that. So let me I I I that's that's that's why I say I want to bring something back to the board because I think there are some nuances that need to be discussed and to understand that it it may or may I don't even know myself and so we I need to sit with Andy let us come back to the board with a presentation on how HMGP works from both the statutory perspective and from the board and again we find out what the appropriate uh point is for the board to provide its it its its [snorts] interjection into this and and I understand exactly what you're Thank Commissioner Mar this conversation the way it's going and the information that we're kind of talking about I think it's probably better off to do one-on- ones first then bring it to the

100%

do what first

one ones first

um and so if the process was different departments put in what they wanted there was no no consideration for cleaning out any of the rivers

I I don't know commissioner I don't have a good answer for you on you know, we look to the departments to look at whatever the qualifications are for the dollars, uh, other sources of funding for projects and things. There's there's a whole host of things that go into it, but we will look at that. I'm committed to being transparent with the board on that, but let me go through the process with director Fauca here. We'll brief you individually on how it works and then see what would be appropriate, if anything, to make changes to it.

All right. So, um, there I have two two requests. one um bring bring us what the cost was for the last cleanup that we did uh of the Anklet River from Starky Boulevard to Little Road uh when Kevin was here. And then um please put the county uh commission districts on here so you get an idea of what part of the county this is in because I don't I I don't want to go into each one and try and figure out where they are. Some I know and some I don't.

Yes, ma'am. Yeah. Okay. Commissioner Stark, can you just if I add on to just what you're saying?

Yeah.

So, we we there was a lot of funding done from Tarpon Springs all the way up river. We know we wanted to get to Sel Drive just the gentleman was talking about today. So, I think it's as we look at our federal stuff to maybe add that into the mix as we as we look at it too.

Yeah. That so that um that dredging that Congressman Bill got for tarpon uh doesn't come to the county. you know that went over to downtown down

to tarpon for their shipping

and fishing whatever. They couldn't get boats couldn't come out at silted in.

Yeah. But um certainly uh go we need to um be making our our rivers more natural so that the water flows better and we get the water out. I mean that should be seems like kind of 101 to cleaning the river so they the water flows out. I don't know. Um, okay. Then, um, um, maintenance issues. I don't remember what that one's on. Um, so I wanted to note that, uh, when the woman spoke from the, um, uh, food policy council, um, Charles, I can't remember his last name, the guy who had the museum, Charles Adar or something like that. You, we all went to the museum. He's about to move out of the county. He is about to move to St. compete and put a museum in in in where all those other museums are because we don't he doesn't have any space where he is and he can't have you guys I don't know if you've been to see his museum

the maps

it's it's amazing

amazing

amazing and you know we had an opportunity to have that arts and crafts museum in Pasco County that guy wanted it to be in our county I never met him he met with commissioner Hildebrand years ago and wanted to donate it to the county he actually had done a lot of work commissioner Oakley and he had discovered that no hurricanes had really ever hit the date city area. It was high and dry. It wouldn't flood. And so this is a gentleman that's had this amazing collection. And um and he was looking for a home for it. And the Mitchell family had an amazing um uh museum.

It wouldn't flood or get hit by hurricane.

So he put it but he ended up putting it in St. Pete. [laughter]

What about G High School?

Well, that's that's where the the guy is now, but there's not enough No, he's at he's at Wonder

He's at Ridgewood. Yeah, he's at Wind Creek.

I don't know. But we were going to try and see if we could come up with any space. I don't know what we have or help him, but um my brother just went to see him because he inherited some antiquities from my mom and and he told him that he's probably going to be moving out soon because there's no space here for him. So, we don't have a lot of culture here, and I

I know. I would I've been racking my brain, too. trying to help that guy.

So, okay.

And especially your grand your grandchild would love it if you've never been.

I've I've been to

They have a dinosaur egg that shows an X-ray of the baby dinosaur, and you can touch everything. It's really cool.

Yeah. Okay, that's it.

Okay. All right. Well, I won't repeat everybody, but this was

this was uh Moffett. Um

Oh, and there's

Look at Lee Moffett in that picture. It's a great picture [laughter] of Lee.

Which one?

Lee Moffett.

Oh, yeah. Great shot. Great shot.

So, I won't repeat what everybody said, but it was an amazing celebration and looking forward to everything else they have coming down the the pipeline. Um, I don't have a picture, but I was at Magnolia Valley uh civic association meeting on Saturday, and I just want to give a shout out to staff because they were amazing. Uh Nicole Allen just jumped right in. She's brand new and she was she she was just holding her own and I was so proud of her. Uh she was able to answer all their questions. We had Panos there. Panos did a great job and he he got a lot of heat and he he did great. Um we had Pasco County Sheriff's Office out there just talking about uh neighborhood watch. Um it was just it was a great meeting. So um all good. We h they have some questions and Miss Grace um introduced herself today. So we are getting with the team and trying to see if we can get all their questions answered. One of their concerns was the Magnolia Valley Golf Course is only mode really when they have events. So we're going to try and get them on the rotation um so it looks nice. Um, and that's about it. That's all I have.

Okay. Thank you. Commissioner Stark, you had something?

Yeah. Um, I need to talk to you about something that I've been asked to bring forward. Um, uh, David had to leave um, and he could help explain this better than me, but um, you might remember when Starky Ranch was being developed um, and we didn't have the money to build a park. um Welock uh and the develop the developer and Welock came forward well they c the development team came forward and offered to fund the maintenance of that park for I don't know if it was six or eight years they put land into it. Um they were just a great partner. It actually was the first P4 in the country um to do with the school district and the county and and the developer and um just a very very unusual deal. I wish we could do more deals like that. Um but the gentleman who put that all together and spearheaded it, his name was Matt Call. I don't know if you guys remember meeting him. You wouldn't have met him, Commissioner Jagger, but uh he was in his early 40s and developed um pancreatic cancer and uh passed away a couple months ago very sadly. Um left two young children,

but we've been asked if we would consider naming the fields, either the fields or the gymnasium after after him for all the work he did and putting that together. Um, we think the fields are better. Doesn't involve the school district.

So, um, we'd like to, uh, it's commissioner driven, so we need to get approval here to put up a sign, uh, calling the the fields the Matt call me Memorial Fields.

I love that idea.

So, that's a motion. Who is that?

Commissioner, I I don't have any objection to what you're saying, but there is a process in the land development code for naming stuff.

This is what I was told to do.

So, I [laughter] would think that we would follow that process.

Is this how it gets started?

So, it would it's interesting too because I had asked Eric if we had had a policy on the naming of facilities. it look like there was one that was developed under the previous administrator but never really executed in. If you just give me a meeting uh just one board meeting cycle, we can maybe bring something back that kind of makes sure that we check all the boxes with the LDC and make sure that if if we want to approve this policy and then that way it's all formal and we can, you know, have all the right reasons and everything put put into place and

that works.

It's it's documented well. So, I'll just bring that back on the third if that's okay with that with that direction from the board to to name those ball fields that and then that way it'll

I wouldn't I don't mind a discussion on it but I I'm this is like flatfooted so it's I'd like more information.

Yes, absolutely. Yep.

Okay, that's it. Thank you.

Okay, Mr. Carbella.

Thank you, sir. Just one item. Um several months ago the board had approved the short list of design build firms for the Wesley Center progressive design build and then provided to the county administrative what center?

Uh Wesley centers the Wesley Chapel um

wastewater treatment plant right off of I75 near Overpass Road.

So a progressive design build to uh expand the treatment capacity of that plant. Um for reasons that I won't get into. um the county staff is is uh looking to reject the shortlisted firms and go back out on the street uh for that. So, this is just an FYI to the board that I will not be executing that contract that we are we are basically going back out uh for solicitations on that. And so, just uh I'm just um there there's going to be some changes into how we approach it and and we just feel that it's better this way. So, just I'm letting you know that. Um otherwise, I have nothing else. Okay. All right. County attorney,

I don't have anything for you today. Thank you.

Yes. Um, we had an situation kind of come to light and that I mentioned earlier in the meeting. Um we went back and historically uh the clerk's office has been providing minutes to be put on the agenda first for distribution and then subsequently reagended again for approval which we cannot find any basis for or any and as far as the quick research that Shannon did for us. I hate to use the phrase that's the way we've always done it,

which is not an acceptable answer.

No.

So, with without a desire for anything else or to do otherwise, I've spoken with clerk Alvarez Soul. She agrees that uh going forward that the agendas will just or I'm sorry the minutes will be just agended for approval one time and if there is an issue obviously it can be withdrawn from the consent for clarification or otherwise but uh it'll cut down work on the agenda staff and ours that's duplicated at this time. So, it's not in your rules. Uh, a quick look by the county attorney and by us, we don't find anything. So, without objection, that's what what we'll do on this fourth.

Uh, Gene, you have the pictures up. All right. So, these are the pictures from Jared Ford. Uh, that's a local artist.

So, fine.

That did that picture.

His name's on the next slide, I think.

I think it's

Mark Hannah. So, it's a local person that did that picture, but I thought it was tremendous work. There's a picture with the Jared family and Cliff Martin who for years he was a stalwart they always did a great job and Commissioner Waitman myself there's one of the representatives that's director nationwide I mean two nationwide directors from Ford were here in Pasco in the next picture and there's Mrs. Ford right there. Um, what a bundle of energy. I want to say she was like passionate about it just like the other gentleman was as well. And it was it was really cool to think about it just as a change in location for a dealership. These two national figures that love the brand, love the family, run business, and just are passionate about what they're doing. So, it was really really a great celebration. All right. Um so on the last meeting I had cancelled the meeting or I like ended the meeting and I called it back up again. In that the minutes for um I was looking for an approval for a first annual Voices United Concert 5K which can be held at Sunwest to wave the fees to run the park. You guys had approved it, but I just want to get maybe make another motion get another motion second to reapprove it so it's clearly for uh staff to proceed if they when they go forward. So it's again to wave the fees for First United for a

Yeah, I'll make that motion.

Motion we have a second.

Second.

All in favor say I.

I.

I. Okay. Thank you. Um and I'm going to get um I've had a few comments over the years about Hudson Beach getting more parking out there. Um on Arman Way, there's a spot we've talked about in Brford. You were out there when we did it. Uh we fixed the storm water out there which is working tremendously. I mean people just thrilled that the streets don't flood anymore. It drains right out where it should go. But along the back part where we kind of like made the parking changes a little bit. Uh you've got a lot of area that could work really well for golf carts. And I've talked about Clark Street as well. They want to kind of look at doing those changes. So um Mike, if you could let's let's have the team take a look at and bring something forward. I know we've talked about it, but um he wants to come before the board, but I'd rather take some action and get something that ahead of time. Um we had a great meeting with the uh community development block grant disaster recovery meeting at uh Leisure Beach. Very well attended. A few people that were u showed up asked a lot of great questions. The team was great. Uh they stayed there until every question was answered and uh it was it was good to be out there in the field. Um, in December 19th, I got a letter from the city of Newport Richie talking about um how they were going to adopt a resolution to include uh Lee Jalane and Vandor. I got another followup on January 5th. Um, I've had I've looked at it. I've had my assistant Colleen look at it as far as the CRA requirements, etc. Um I think David Engles looked at it as well and I'd like to get a report back on the CRAAS coming forward to see what's going on. Um, one of the things as far as again that taking this area which is certifiably blighted, but if we're going to add in these acres after giving land, uh, let's say let the land go to them, etc., and not not object, I I I think it's time we take a close look at being 99% blooded. If you tried to do that now, since when was the first was done was before 2006. after that point they would not allow you to do it until you had full approval of everybody in the area. So it was something that they did knowing maybe that was coming up and we've been suffering it the county citizen been suffering at that we're paying an important amount of taxes to help them rebuild their city when we still have plenty of stuff rebuilding the county. So, uh, if we could get a report back on it, uh, does the board have any trouble with this? And Jeeoff, is it just a matter of acknowledgement or

Well, it looks like they and I couldn't tell whether they're required to have two public hearings or whether they have changed the public hearing that was scheduled for tonight at 6 till February 3rd at 6. Um, but it's The both letters say that the the council intends to adopt resolution 2026-05 and which is the area of Leisure Lane and Vandor. Um so they're they're having a public hearing on their on their ordinance. Um, and I don't know if the if obviously getting something to there tonight is a little I don't think we'll be able to do that, but if you authorize the chair to to sign a letter um concurring with the them adding it to the CRA, but expressing um the board's desire to have the an equal equal area taken out of the the CRA.

Um I wouldn't go through that because again at this late hour to try to make that happen. It's a much more detailed discussion and I think it's something we should look at intensely to find out exactly how we want to handle this not only the CRA but all the others as well. So I'm coming to just let it pass and just let it roll. We knew that was going to happen,

right?

But it's just happening now. And with the second letter, I just wanted to share that with the board.

Okay. I mean, if the second hearing is February 3rd, so we could put something together if that's what we're desired.

I'd rather, like I said, I I David looking at it. We've looked at it. I think there's some things that that could be should be looked at that we should go further with.

Yeah. My my review of the letter is that it's the statutory required

hearing that they have and notice to us that they want to bring this area into their CRA.

Yeah. They're following the steps. Okay. All right. I don't have anything else. Well, I have a question for you and I I sent that photo to you

of someone commenting about that canal in your district where people are dumping raw sewage at night into the canal and it's just floating behind their houses. How do we catch them? Are you aware that's going on?

Oh, I am so aware.

I would really like to throw the book at them and find them.

If you look at that email, it actually addresses the governor every time he sends something to myself. He's now included.

Oh, this was a Facebook post. So I don't know who was

all right. So he's he's been sending emails to not only myself but the governor as well.

Well

trying to push for D to look at it and try to find a way to go deal with it. So

can we put can I mean can we catch them or will neighbors turn each other I mean what's going on up there? It's disgusting.

So with with different reports out there to see whether it's E.coli or not or whether it's

the poop is floating on the water.

I'm just saying by the time they get there etc. It's difficult. So uh I'm I'm all for convening a meeting with D. Mike, maybe with the team and let let's go look at this problem. Let them go look at the letters. Maybe get someone from the governor's office to look at it as well. Maybe with that extra effort, we may get uh some 247 assistance or something to to be out there when it happens because obviously they're going to drop her at night when no one's around and then by that time it goes up and down with the tide, etc. It's tough to track it.

So, it's um it is uh people in their RVs apparently and they're they they drain it straight into the channel. No, nobody knows. And again, if if this gentleman had a specific address for us to go check, we would we've gone out when all the RVs that were out put out there with the hurricanes, they went to make sure people had hooked up all.

So, but there could be some people in a boat that does the same thing. So, I'm I'm willing to I would love to have staff taking a look at this and trying to figure take take another step. I I thought frankly with the governor being looped into this every step of the way something hap would happen because believe me we we've been dealing with this for years not even just in this one area but all around

I read just recently um I don't know where I was they were talking about the um readings of the ankllo river and others and you know I I don't that we have really high feal content around here and so I'd like to know if we're testing and are are we seeing what the results are of our coastal waterways? But that was shocking to me and and wherever I cannot remember where I was. They even mentioned the the points per billion or whatever that it and I'd never heard these tests. Have you?

Uh oh yes ma matter of fact

I knew up in Hudson but

so this is this is Hudson. So

but I'm talking about Ankllo River.

Okay. Well

Cody River.

Yeah. And we had from the scolop season being shut down as a concern there too. But I will say one of the things that I tried to do for years ago and brought up several times. I would love to take over the private water utility that's out there. The sewer utility. They do nothing but we they send the stuff to us anyway. I would love to have us take them over and and make those steps. And maybe we can try again with people that we work with to try to make that happen. But if the board would grant that to go, that would probably take care of some of that as well because there's some people that aren't hooked up that should be hooked up and we don't know what happens with that stuff either.

So, who tests the water? Is that is does the county do we?

We have some money in the parks budget statutoily where we do water quality testing. I know that um uh public works is undergoing a a water quality initiative to look at the quality of water in our in our streams and rivers. And so it's it's a multi- it's a multi-pronged approach. I mean, in this particular instance, I think D has the jurisdiction. I know we've

But do they give the numbers to you?

We share data. I I I can't specifically speak to what the actual what the actual process is or whether or not there's a clearing house for it. You even have private environmental groups that can go and do testing. It's not hard. You can take a sample and send it to a lab. Um but I hear what you're saying. I've seen some of the pictures. I thought that we had done some testing on some of that. a lot of testing up there

and it had come the counts were showed that there it was not sewage.

Some of it was right but some of they also found a matter of fact there's a place up in Hudson to the north of Clark Street that's got a bunch of trailer homes we found out etc. We've gone to code a few times to go go in there and we don't know what's going on from that but the counts that were in that area right alone were like through the roof. So DP's got a lot of data already, but I would just love the attention to get them out there when things could happen and try to look at what what can we do to really look at this to keep it from happening.

I think that's fair and I think we can engage in a conversation on that with D, get them out there. And then with regards to this issue, I know we have done studies in the past even before I joined the county uh from through the storm water uh division of of looking at water quality and you know and there's a lot of complicating mitigating factors with it. But you know uh let's let's engage with D on it. Let's look at you know the quality of our water resources I think is an important thing and I think this board has has made that clear. Uh, Commissioner Starky.

Um, this brings up a question that, um, this afternoon, this sometime today when we were talking, I guess it was this morning with Barbara Riyle's property, I noticed to the right of Barbara Riyle's property was an RV park, not a mobile home community. So, an RV park is where they're supposed to leave, right? uh once they get to six months. Um if you're in a travel trailer in an RV park, you don't have what how do you clean your system?

I mean, presumably they would either have some kind of septic system or system on site for disposal or

dump,

you know, you go to a dump station.

So, so you would have to move your portable RV trailer to the dump station. You might have they have a mobile one

and it comes to your thing and dumps it out

because by law those are supposed to be movable.

Yes.

The the RV the RVs not a mobile home but we got RVs who have built all kinds of structures around their RVs illegally that when they're not a mobile home but they turn they turned it into something nonmovable.

Yeah. And I think the hurricane showed us some of those areas, too. And I know we're

looking at that.

Yeah.

And I'll just add one more thing,

Mr. Jackie. I think you made a great point the last meeting when you talked about Creek Myrtles.

They put them in this time of season. I looked in front of Ashley Furniture. I drove by it the next day.

It looks terrible. I think that needs to come off the list as far as what we have put in.

I thank you. I I I love Great Mortals. I have them in the front of my house. But to use them in the context that we are We are doing no one any favors.

All right. Appreciate you agree as well.

Appreciate it.

Okay. So, Mike, maybe we can take a look and bring something back to us on that to get that off the list.

Crepe myrtles is off as a species of allowable shade trees or

anything seasonal like that is something we should be looking at.

And remember to add see if we can change the code about adding a a street shade tree.

We have to do it to every

Yeah, we're already we're already looking at that piece. Yes, ma'am. every project that comes up here, we're going to have to put that restriction on it if if they will do it voluntarily until we fix that.

That's how we have to do that. Um it used to be so so in front of um the uh the strip mall or whatever you call it that that Mark Gold bought on US 19, it has a Wind Dixie on it. It had it has crepe myrtles across the front and for the first year or two they were continuously trimmed

to the st to the nub. Yeah.

Never grew anything. And I I I finally called Mark said, "Mark, I don't want to have to find you, but you got to let those babies grow." But they just And they're allowed to

trim it to nothing.

Yeah.

So, it's just stubs.

Okay. Now, is anyone going up to any other commissioners going up to FAC?

No, I'll be there.

I think so. No,

the next you.

When is it?

Just me?

I think it's just you. It's tomorrow. Tomorrow's FAC. I know several folks are heading to Tallahassee on the 3rd and 4th. I know I will be there. Ralph will be there.

Yes, ma'am. I think most of the board. So, we'll

try to keep that meeting short. I thought today's would have been short.

Are you going up? [laughter]

Are you Are you leaving?

I knew the battle I was into.

Are you leaving today?

I'm going to go up tonight. Yeah.

Yeah.

I already booked.

Don't speed.

No, that's the first one I've missed. But yeah, I just have too much.

I'll be there to represent.

All right.

I still have Christmas in my car.

All right. Thank you all very much. We're journed.

Thank you, sir. I just sent it to Katie.