12.6.2022 Pasco Board of County Commissioners Meeting (Afternoon Session)

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foreign [Music] we're back in session for the public hearings uh first public hearing is p97 item p97 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on October 23 2022. good afternoon Joe Richards County Attorney's Office we have for adoption today an ordinance by the Pasco County Board of County Commissioners amending chapter 114 section 114-41 or the Pasco County code of ordinances creating a minimum wake zone within the unincorporated area of Pasco County in and around the gulf Island Lagoon providing for applicability providing for repeal or providing for severability providing for inclusion in the code and providing an effective date one slide that shows the markers those crosses and various colors show where the markers will be placed in the labeled minimum wake slow speed zone protect those entrance ways in and out of the Lagoon in that blind corner at the top of the slide and after public comment we recommend you adopt the ordinance okay thank you board members any questions well looking forward to doing this in the area of a the south channel of Gulf Harbor but it's in the works okay but I'm fully supported with this all right um into the board member comments before you ask a couple of comment anyone from the public here to speak to the item I can I'll just say that I am with a group of people that own property or on the are on the edge I didn't bring this forward a resident from the association brought it Forward desk staff to go forward I'm going to be abstaining from it and also on the proper documents that this decide that it will provide so to approval is there anyone online to speak to it I've already said no one online okay all right so I got a motion to a second have a second all in favor say uh roll call vote district one commissioner Oakley aye District Two commissioner Weightman report hi okay District three commissioner Starkey aye District 4 commissioner Bradford aye District Five chairman Mariano thank you [Applause] okay p98 item p98 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on October 5th 2022. good afternoon Mr chairman item p98 is pdd230007 it's an ordinance amending the Paso County copyright Supply and providing for a small scale comprehensive plan Amendment to the Future land use map map 2-15 and Sheet 18 from res 3 residential 3 dwell units per growth acre to Res 24 residential 24

dwellings per growth safer and approximately 13.36 Acres of real property located on the south side of decubulus road 600 feet east of the Little Road into cubles Road intersection and providing for additional tax amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for repealer for severability and ineffective date this comes to you with a recommendation of approval from the local planning agency can you do the full presentation to show the property and yes [Music] hi good afternoon this is Brian with the long range planning here to present PDD 23007 small scale comprehensive plan Amendment uh c-pass 20 216 decibelius and little um this is an adoption hearing for CPAs 2216 the Cuba listen little I will now read the ordinance into record before starting the presentation this is an ordinance amending the Pasco okay I will skip that and continue with the presentation so the site is located in the West Market District specifically within the central district of the West Market District we got the project overview is to a man feature land use map 215 and Sheet 18 from rest residential 3 to rest 24 the location approximately 13.42 Acres located near the southwest corner of the intersection of Road of little road and cubilis and the resolution is flu map 215 and sheet 18. there is an Associated recenting petition under RC number seven six six seven the cable is a little in PUD the comprehensive plan consistency these are the following policies that are consistent with our proposed um comprehensive plan Amendment in here we got the um the site a map of the site location of the uh the proposed project while you're doing your presentation if I could because as I read this agenda item I didn't understand though you mentioned the mpud it doesn't show the borders where the MPD is could you show the board to where that other piece of property is how it connects to little road as well as the cumulus yes um basically the mpud I bought our proposed project to the South here in the pointer but to the South also will about to the north north of um the cubles road so that will be the area of the Newport Corners MPV and also [Music] yeah proposed the cumulus and beauty is the one that is remarked there by Dr red but the red line isn't correct the red line just shows this part of the yeah yeah the red line just shows us Redline is showing but it's a plan Amendment so like you just did you just had the thing going around it just go go from the red edge of the Border along the cubeless going to East going to the West

thank you yeah the little arrow I thought all right so I'll I'll describe it I guess it's if you take with it onto cubulus if you head towards Mass Ave it's that little square there bring it down around the gas station coming down over it goes back over to little road comes down to a level equal to where the red line is in the southern part of the other property so it's to me it's a very key part of this whole thing that it's not just one spot on decubellus it does connect the MPD will connect all the way out to Little Road that's correct the map is showing the comprehensive plan amendment to Res 24 but the project area moves Beyond the red space when we get into zoning and it includes this map is showing the existing flu that's on highlighted in the black dotted line and then the part that that flag-shaped parcel just to the west of the subject site is also part of the project area that's RoR that already has 24 dwelling units per gross acre designation on there for density so when the mpud comes forward it'll include that L-shaped flag lot right there plus what's in the black dotted lines okay thank you okay so I continue back up one more we got the side location like I already showed we got this 16 uh future land use it's currently um the flu is rest three residential three the proposed feature line used for the proposed project is going to be rest 4 at 24. and Korean Sony is currently sewn AC air and it comes with the recommends the board county of Commissioners to find a proposed amendment consistent with the comprehensive plan and adopt by roll call boat I have some comments but I'm going to reserve them for okay after the presentation all right so let's hear from the applicant then unless anyone has any questions for him okay good morning good afternoon sorry it's been a long day already Barbara Wilhite 6327 Grand Boulevard New Port Richey 34652 for the applicant we did put together a PowerPoint because our project boundaries are different for the comp plan Amendment versus our overall project so I do want to go through that with you and I have my team here myself Tampa civil design Jeremy couch links and Associates Steve Henry and the owner of Charleston Community Steve McConaughey I did ask for additional time so I do of course between chairs I didn't hear from anybody but um I'll try to go as quickly as possible but I did ask for extra time property information here's what you were kind of looking for Matt yes this is what you were looking for here this here the purple is our complaint Amendment before you today res 3 to Res 24. this piece here is within our project it's as Mr Pito said it's rorc2 right now

foreign you can see the difference in acreage the total acreage is the 17.99 and the CPA is a 13.36 in context this shows where you're at in relation to both the cubulus and little roads as a little road as well as what's surrounding us which is Newport corners 384 multi this is our ultimate project summary between for our mpud 384 multi-family residential units a thousand square feet of commercial three access points including the County's Vision road that you that the county wants extended Platte Road Extension up through the middle of our project this shows you our context again to Newport corners and the connection I was just mentioning this is Plath Road Extension right here comes from Plath road across little up this way and then comes up through our project it gives us direct access to all of the great things that they're going to develop down here we continue that Vision Road up with a 12-foot multi-use path so we have very good connectivity and just a little bit more of an example of what's going on well that's fancy I don't think I've ever seen you do that um so some folks in my team did my PowerPoint for me I don't know how to do that it's very basic here's our site other than we know our vision road is we're still working on that site and we're meeting with the different Commissioners and talking about as we go into the zoning and refine our plans talking about exactly what we do where but this I want to make sure you can see how the vision road is being accommodated we are part of the harbors your your Redevelopment infill plan this is an interesting parcel for me it's the five Parcels that have been brought together together to be redeveloped if you read what you're supposed to do and in your Redevelopment info plans that's exactly what you're supposed to do one is assemble parcels and and so we that's what we've done I put in their planning matters you'll see that you did this in 2013 an investment is following that plan what we didn't do is we never implemented that plan so I have to stand up here and go property by property to change the land use I know sometimes that's not the best way to do it but that's what we have to do because you had a plan that says here we want you to develop this way and I bring something forward to develop that way but I've got to come and bring a comprehensive plan Amendment that this is your Central District you can see the the vision for that we meet that vision and exceed it the economic impact are will have a minimum income requirement for class A Apartments and the total of the applicant's gross monthly income must be at least three times of the monthly rent approximately 67 000 per year minimum for household

but this is really interesting when you look at what happens when you bring together people with these kinds of incomes to live here you bring in 37 million dollars of of income in that complex that they then spend on the weekends and so forth why is Redevelopment and infill important we'll be paying impact fees and Mobility fees of 3.2 million right now the taxes on the property between all five parcels generating four thousand six hundred and Seventeen dollars when we develop it just for the residential portion we're going to generate 788 000 in 10 years at 7.8 million dollars going to your ad valorem taxation versus if you kept it as is forty six thousand so you really can see the benefit of picking a place and a location and maximizing the land where you already have your investment where you already have your infrastructure this just goes through the taxes and the fees calculates it kind of unique infrastructure Redevelopment follows your existing infrastructure that's the whole idea of doing Redevelopment and that's why you invest in it that's why you incentivize it this property is served by two bus routes and three bus stops pretty unusual you can go all over West Pasco just from the front door of this project and commissioner Starkey will love that this project is located on the Massachusetts Avenue trail out the front door of our project will be the trail you can take that trail and I'll show you in a minute where you can take that trail take a nap of it do cubles road is in the process of being widened so it's our only area where you already decided not anything to do with our project that you wanted to invest in widening that road so again our investments following your investment we will be a part of that not only paying our Mobility fees but we also are significant property of three products along to cubulus where we're going to convey the right-of-way donate it so you don't have to go after condonation after those three property owners these are the bus stops for those two bus routes and this is pretty neat so you can take this trail out the front door along Massachusetts to Cuba excuse me along to cubulus go south on Starkey and this is within Starkey Wilderness Park you can take this all the way to sunquist Parkway where you can keep traveling along here stopping by Starkey Market going south across before going south across 54 and this eventually gets into Hillsborough County it's a pretty significant trail system that again investment that you all have made that we get to follow West Market area this is the vision not too exciting there we do match with the vision staff went over that already and again or in concentration area you have a lot of policies in your comp plan that direct and say how you want growth to occur and that's what we've done we

brought forward the project that does exactly what your plan asks and suggests we do and with that I will have any questions and I have my team here I'm not sure if we have anybody from the public so we really nobody's contacted me from the public and I don't think anybody's contacted staff so we have no visibility as to whether you have anybody here to speak so we we put together the best presentation we could do so we could show you the project okay um before I hear from the public any questions for Barbara well I I do have some comments okay um so I did meet with the applicant um yesterday and um this is right across from an employment center but um and I know it's just it's the comp plan not the site plan but I did express my desire to the developer and the engineer that in my opinion um this the the design of this neighborhood should not look like that it needs to fit in with the what the mixed use walkable Village concept that is coming in in Newport corner so they seemed very amenable to work with our planning staff to align that um project to um fit in like with what's coming in Newport Corners so um and Barbara the trail that trail map if you can put that back up um that it's coming okay so that trail that decubulus trail actually is going to continue on to cubulus you'll be able you should be able to enter the park from that uh area area um where you if you're driving onto cubulus East you see a gate oh um but that trail is going to continue on to decubis and connect with the Ridge Road Trail so there's lots of opportunity for people to be able to get to work or to go to work from that area without having to have a car or access the road so it's pretty uniquely located I would agree also talk to them about maybe beefing up the commercial that they and having more commercial retail if they do the land plan a little differently so but this is just a compliment yes you'll see that our site plan just has blocks on it that's because we scratched that and they want to re taken some of the comments that we met with the Commissioners and some of their ideas we've scratched our where things are going to be we're going to go back to work on that but today's the comp plan so today's really not about that anyhow so we will bring back and meet with all of you and some of the things that we uh we proposed to actually do to the plan but would appreciate your support today to get the comp plan portion done and then we'll keep moving on

and I I did meet with the applicant this morning and just right before this meeting here trying to get more information on it um I'm glad the property does connect both ways I'm glad it's only part of the whole process that's coming forward um and I like you commissioner Sharkey wanted to see some more commercial maybe make it more mud room I actually envisioned it's a UCF campus where they actually have the residences across the street from the main campus where they have all retail down below above it they have the apartments above that this would be I think an ideal parcel to go take advantage of that I'm glad they're donating that right away the trail uh connection I think is huge for it so I'm happy to see the doing what I want to make sure though is that by improving the comp plan Amendment we don't limit them to what commercial could be added because right now at 10 000 square feet I don't think it's sufficient now that I know there's more coming later on we'll look at the MPD we'll study it to put it all together but I I hate to just restrict you on this partial if we need that commercial to go on that partial yeah now the staff was in the meeting with the we had a meeting yesterday and this came up the RoR land use has a 0.6 far so it allows 0.6 floor area ratio and that's about four acres and so that generates quite a bit of commercial ability we've also talked with our transportation engineer we probably have to change our report a little bit but he's like no we can add without having to redo all the report the transportation analysis so we're looking like for a good shape of being able to do some more so potentially we could possibly get a Trader Joe's in there yes all right I'll be happy to send a letter in support of that and if you heard this morning we need some nice restaurants please but when I keep working on that there you go PF Chang is working there and tell you at UCF the campus that they have there everything in that lower retail is all nice places where the students and by the way PhD right down the street would would love to go and just that would actually even save trips for us yeah any other questions for Barbara no just that I've met with the applicant also and and felt good about the project so I think it's good all right anyone else okay uh let's take public comment we do we do have a person that's that's the proof okay okay um and Corona you can bend the mic this part down just a little the very end oh I think I think I'm good can you hear me now okay yeah can you hear me now I'm not sworn that's okay right okay that's correct okay um good afternoon Ann Corona 7615 Tanglewood Drive Newport Richie um New Port Richey Florida 34654 Okay so we've all been here before here we are again with the spot zoning this project will cram 1600 residents into an

area three times the size of my property this is once again spot zoning which was applied to Tanglewood East complex and is the process of singling out a parcel of land for use totally different from that of the surrounding area for the benefit of the owner of such property its arbitrary capricious and unreasonable the residents of Tanglewood and cumulus Road area chose to live there due to the land characteristics Wildlife clean air lifestyle in general it is evident that if one purchases land in an area zone res 3 Pasco County government has demonstrated that at any time by spot zoning you could find yourself in the midst of risk 24 and 800 jump in density there is no demonstration of Need for this type of Benson in the area and the project does not meet the rural standards designated there would be high-rise apartment buildings at both ends of Tanglewood Drive undoubtedly unquestionably affecting property values after the developers are finished trying to put lipstick on a pig and the complex is fully occupied in a few years it will be just another old apartment building I keep on asking Myself White Tangled wood area is consistently in the crosshairs of development why not other areas with more open land I didn't do much with traffic I was supposed to have someone here with me and she's not here the traffic on the cumulus and Tanglewood is ridiculous it's dangerous since the Ridge Road Extension opened it's next to impossible to make a left turn from Tanglewood drive onto decubellis during Peak traffic adding another 1600 residents 800 cars half a mile from that intersection will be disastrous as usual the links and Associates I feel traffic assessments was flawed and skewed um let's see access onto little and cubles laughable at five o'clock in the afternoon you can't even get out of this the gas station one of the most significant issues in my mind is the effect of courses would have on Wildlife again um and always there's safety issues with excessive demands on law enforcement lastly there was no sign noticing the planning meeting October I drive constantly there trust me rest three to Res 24 is the atom bomb the Hiroshima of development I would have noticed that and I would have called two Commissioners an assorted elected officials nobody knew about this meeting as you can see I'm probably the only one speaking about it um so I think this really should have gone back to planning to be rehearred when properly noticed I couldn't see the sign there was a guy in a bike reading it yesterday because that's how close you have to get to look at it I had to park from 7-Eleven and walk there to read the sign thank you anyone else signed up I signed up I also no one else on WebEx okay anyone from the public would like to speak to this item okay we'll close public hearing

um I'll just make a couple of comments I did talk to Anne she called me I had two other phone calls on the property um and I'll say Tanglewood Drive is something that hopefully we can look at in the MPD process or even just test staff look at it as the extra Lane is going to be added onto cubulus there's going to be some improvements that maybe when we take a look at as well um far as the signage we are working on the signage issue coming out the sun's going to be bigger and better and Tara I know Terry's work on that right now coming forwards I don't know how quick it's going to come maybe even today maybe on the agenda today good afternoon commissioner there are public notification improvements to the Land Development code that are proposed before the board today it's the next item on the agenda but these do not include the actual signage that will be on the street we are working on those currently to update the appearance and we'll be bringing that to the board this year literally okay all right so I do I do acknowledge we need to take a look at that um I'll say that the apartment complex down the road um I didn't support that one um I thought it was uh well I'll just say I didn't support it the reason I like this one better this one here and when I first read it last night I was apprehensive about it because I didn't see the connection to Little Road since I got more information today uh your presentation as well as what I saw earlier today that connection makes a big difference I've got two artillery roads coming around each head around it I like the fact that they're willing to put more commercial to it to create something like that UCF campus where you could have the commercial down below the residential above those connections are a lot better and won't impact the neighborhoods down the road nearly as much but I think it'll support even the VA hospital from down the street so I I you you might wonder why I would think this way I'm just trying to let the boy know I looked at the other one a lot differently than this one here this one here to me fits if they're willing to take the extra commercial and in my meeting today they showed very a strong willingness to go do that even to get a Trader Joe's or a PF Chang or some other high-end restaurants which I think could fit there I think it's a great opportunity for us yeah and I I want to say um the property to the right of this property is coming in I didn't know this but it's coming in for um residential or single family and right Town Homes oh Town Homes okay both yeah well you know there's there's a lot of uh I think there's

enough multi-family in there in that area that I hope we don't see a lot more multi-family coming in people trying to come in in that area but this is directly across from a large employment center and um and also it will have easy access to the government center and um then up to the Haley and all and having the Haley's um or whatever it's called the VA Center I don't know does it have a name yet um I am sure because of the location of that big complex we are going to see more businesses want to come in and be near that and so this will help um house those people so thank you any other comments from the board okay you want to close sure good I did want to say on the signage I take public notice very um seriously the code did not require me to send out letters to everybody within 500 feet the code did not require me to to post a sign but I did both of those things I knew the code was changing and I knew that that would be the expectation this board and the Planning Commission that that's how I noticed it and that's how I noticed it the change didn't happen until it's going to happen if you would adopt the Amendments they're going to present to you in a few moments so we did notice that we did follow all the requirements exceeded the requirements and do support your changes to the code notice is very important I would love to sit down with Ann and go through comp planning and just and tell her why Tanglewood and why this area the county put in plans in place in 2006 2008 2009 2013 that said this is where we want development this is where we want Redevelopment this is where we want infill the only thing the county never did was change the land use to implement the plan and so we have to come one by one and we cause confusion because we see res 3 to Res 24. well it's not really Res three it's Res three with two overlays that say it should be much more dense and so that's hopefully we can do a better job when we update the comp plan to try to fix those things globally so we're not standing here causing confusion and causing angst and then we that it's clear to me it's clear what your vision is because I look at your your West Market area and your Central Market District of your infill plan and I look at those things and I can see what your vision is but if somebody's looking at the land use map they're like why are you going from three to 24 but that's the answer it's not rural there's no rural area anywhere near this in 2006 just for the new Commissioners in 2006 the county purposely put into their comp plan what what was going to be Rural and what was not and so a lot of people will come and tell you that I'm in a rural area but they're not right so with that we look forward to the the rest of this project into working with you and we hope you'll support our comp plan Amendment thank

you of approval second okay any further discussion All In Forever say aye um district one commissioner Oakley aye District Two commissioner Weightman aye District three commissioner Starkey District 4 commissioner Bradford aye District Five chairman Mariano hi okay P99 do we have proof yes P99 was published in the Tempe times on October 5th 2022. ordinance by the Pasco County Board of County Commissioners amending the Pasco County Land Development code chapter 300 procedures section 304 public notice procedures chapter 400 permit types and applications section 402.2 zoning Amendment master plan unit development District section 403.3 preliminary site plans section 403.4 stormwater management plan and Report section 403.5 construction plans section 403.7 Mass grading section 403.9 modifications to development approval section 403.10 landscape plan chapter 500 zoning section 503 AC agricultural District Section 504 ac1 agricultural District section 505 AR agricultural residential district section 506 ar1 agricultural residential district section 507 ar5 agricultural residential district section 508 ar5mh agriculture mobile home District section 509 ER estate residential district section 510 er2 estate residential district section 512 r1mh single family mobile home District section 513 r2mh rural density mobile home District section 514 R1 rural density residential district section 515 R2 low density residential district section 516 are three medium density residential district section 517 R4 high density residential district section 518 mf1 multiple family medium density districts section 519 mf2 multiple family high density districts section 520 mf3 multiple family high density District section 522 mpud master plan unit development District section 525 neighborhood commercial District chapter 800 natural and cultural resource protection section 802 tree preservation and replacement section 805 Wetlands chapter 900 development standards section 901.5 Transportation impact study section no 5.2 landscaping and buffering chapter 1000 miscellaneous structure regulations Section 1003 Gates fences and walls chapter 1200 non-conformities section 1203.2 Restorations section 1203.4 non-conforming signs chapter 1300 concurrency and impact fees section 1301 concurrency appendix a definitions and other sections as necessary for internal consistency providing for applicability repealer providing for separability inclusion into the Land Development code and an effective date there was an update to the body of the proposed ordinance in Section 3 under applicability and effect on existing development approvals the revision has been submitted to the clerk and I believe distributed to the to the board but it's a simple sentence that was added that would say notwithstanding the foregoing nothing herein shall affect

the validity of notice provided prior to the effective date this ordinance so there are public hearings that have been scheduled such as this coming Thursday that have noticed their projects according to the existing notification standards not according not necessarily according to what's in the proposed ordinance okay anyone have any questions yeah I had I had a question um on the new language for fences is that's that's in here right the um chain link fences that we're getting so I I saw in here I'm kind of looking for it but I got sucked into the Landscaping part um uh somewhere in here it talks about the fences and it I thought okay here in chapter 1000 section one zero zero three point one it says chain link aluminum or similar fences and Gates visible from collector arterial roads are prohibited and I thought I thought we fixed that to say you could have decorative aluminum so I just wanted to make sure that we're not messing up there and we showed examples of those fences that are with those vertical bars so that's that's my understanding that the fence language was looked at uh post uh LPA discussions and that it was upgraded to reflect the desires of the well I thought it was too but and I can't click on anything here I don't know what's going on but when I read it and I see that it still says the aluminum so just wanna is it fixed I guess that's my big question it is the intent to have been fixed yeah yes the system right now is not responding so that's question one and then number two is that if we're going to have some fence rules uh we need to be sure that we're catching these and and have the ability to enforce it so I believe that we're going we need unless Brad who's in Central Permitting okay sorry I'm wrong I just want to make sure that if someone comes in with the commercial building that if we don't have a fence permit and I'm just talking commence commercial fence permit here how will they know what the rules are seems like a very simple concept but it's actually kind of difficult to put into words with restricting certain things not others so it's it's very easy with this we do have the alternative standards if you're meeting the intent of the code we understand what that intent is of the board uh so that if someone comes in we can look at that and if they do have an aluminum fence that does meet the intent we can go ahead and approve that and if they're coming in with something that's aluminum but not meeting the intent of the code we can also deny that so it gives us that flexibility so that's one of the reasons it's written this way but what if they

don't have to come in I mean does everyone have to tell you what fence they're putting in as part of the buffering of any part of their development construction I I think you're about to say so well I I was going to ask why a metal would be prohibited versus a type well yeah um I mean if the idea is to prohibit chain link or similar fences you may want just want to get rid of the term aluminum because I'm not sure what it it does for you there but I was not involved in the discussions we would certainly do that we can make that change here as part of this or we can pull that piece out and bring that piece back and we need to add Bob wire let me let me caution as far as picking a a metal because you could have a painted black aluminum fencing that looks really good compared to a chain link fence which you may not like you may like a colored black chain link fence which not not not on this kind of these kind of Roads you want those on in that or in the back but not facing so I agree with you all you have to do is say chain link yes so that if I may Mr chairman the in the agenda memo it notes that well you don't want hog wire I just and well I just got a note from staff member that said that the language was supposed to be chain link welded wire or similar fences not aluminum exactly that's the right one in the agenda memo it notes the word welded wire has been added as a similar fence to a chain link fence um in terms of the LPA discussion that occurred the LPA requested that the aluminum material be removed from the prohibitions to and to instead include a style offenses opposed to offense material so that's the intent um and they asked for comments on the matter in terms of security from the sheriff's office um but the Sheriff's Office the decision on whether or not to prohibit them as a policy decision for the BCC and and what their answer was right and I talked to the sheriff and he's fine with the aluminum actually actually that's harder to climb those vertical aluminum bars then chain link chain link is one foot and boom you're over so he he was fine with it yeah so that's a it if the board is adopting this ordinance that section should read chain link comma welded wire or similar fences and Gates visible from collector or arterial roadways on the highway Vision plan and functional classification map shall be prohibited yeah okay that was that was that can be part of somebody's the motion okay that's that will be part of my motion but it's a public hearing good any questions or any more presentation Terry uh presentation was made at the previous

23-0081 that is an ordinance creating a local road paving Municipal service taxing unit providing for boundaries providing for Levy of an abalone tax providing for municipal services to be funded providing for severability and an effective date all right so uh to start this fiscal year in October we entered um phase one of a four-step process to establish an mstu that is intended to replace the pvas current system that's in place for pbest so back on October 25th the board chose to direct staff to establish an mstu as that vehicle to replace that we have taken that direction and our next step here today is on the sixth and that is to present those findings establish the benefit area basically the who is in and who is out via ordinance and so that is what's before you today in addition to that direction we're also requesting a pause for Paving assessment projects that are in a certain phase and we'll get to that phase here a little bit later in the presentation the next thing will be what we'll call the most complex and numbers intensive part of the presentation that will happen in the spring that's when the board will get to determine things like how we phase out pvas how we deal with folks that are currently in pdas and deal with things like rates and those type of things today is to adopt the ordinance and determine benefiting area and then finally in summer of 2023 this is where this process starts to merge with next year's budget process which is the intention and so that'll enter that in and you'll go in and this will adopt through the budget process question commissioner it's like a blinking Christmas tree up here yeah it's going on and off and on and off would you like me to pause I'm gonna like jump right into commissioner items and we gotta fix this it's just on off on off no no don't pause okay if we sorry let's just all right sure mstu boundaries uh the ordinance contains three basic uh descriptions for what is in and what is out so parcel is exclusively served by private roads whether they're maintained by an HOA or individuals these are the excluding areas by the way um those are out Parcels within a CDD that provide maintenance to local roads within the district as well as partials that are served by local roads that are currently privately maintained so in essence this is a map of some of those areas and so this is a basic pictorial of the six municipalities that are excluded those are highlighted there in the darkest color in black there and then there are 29 cdds currently that have been posted with the ordinance that have been identified through their establishing documents that they have responsibility for those roads via their approval when they entered the process those are excluded and then the remainder of the 69 CDs that are not a part of the municipalities and are part of the unincorporated area in the county those are highlighted in blue and those

are included currently so this ordinance covers a number of different things and establishes that um that vehicle for us to handle Paving structure and handles local road paving repaving and also contemplates maintenance and improvements of related facilities and other things like when we need to do Road related drainage that is not currently contemplated within the pbas ordinance if this gets adopted this has to be adopted here before the end of the calendar year by State Statute which is why we're here today this could be implemented if we follow those other two steps in the process as early as November of 2023 which would be next tax year so I mentioned a little bit earlier the second measure that we're asking for approval on this item is the pause of pvases at a current phase and so you see our stop lights there we have four different phases of things that are in The Hoppers we would call it in pvas right an out to petition a pending BCC approval phase the pending construction with an ntp not yet issued and then we have the pending construction with an ntp that has already been issued as a part of this measure we're requesting you see those red lights right things that have not entered the green light area right which is that last piece that we have not issued an ntp to construction we're requesting a pause on that part of the pbas process so finally this is to accept public comment and adopt the proposed ordinance and pause all pending and future Paving projects that are including that have not yet been issued in ntp for construction you want to go first I can go first okay the problem I have with it is the fact that a lot of these homes or a lot of these people that are looking for their Parcels pvas programs to pave their Road and they've gone through all the processes will that continue to go through or is that a red light so here I'll go back to this slide so the intention here is when we come back in the spring there's a number of different things and we've talked about through this process there's there's so many different factors that have to be considered as we talk about not only implementing an MS2 and how we're going to apportion all those benefits and establish how we're going to pave roads but also how we phase out pvas and handle things that have already completed pvas as well as those that are in each step of this process and so the request here from staff is because we need significant time and resources to be able to design everything everything work through all the legal elements that are required to establish the mstu is a pause right the board will have an option to evaluate all these different options on what they can do in the spring and so we're just saying hey if we haven't already issued an ntp for construction for something that the board has already approved right because on step step three if the pending construction ntp not issued those are

items that have already passed the petition have already been presented to the board the board has approved it and blessed it instead go forth so how long are we holding them off from Paving so the pause is requested till the spring right and then when we come back in the spring we would look at evaluating all the different things well we're looking probably somewhere in the march to April time frame um on slide two yes sir yeah good afternoon commission uh brumford Avenue assistant County Administrator the plan is for for the pivas projects that are being paused okay they will be continue under the new mstu and they'll be giving top priority so we can start them and get them done I understand that but the concern comes when you got people that have been in this process been called out of it because there's stormwater issue came up and they had to redesign and then go back they've been on hold for maybe two years so yes so what is what is what is happening is once the pivas project is approved it takes about a year before we can start the project okay so even if it's approved now we can't start the project yeah the MST should be taking about a year before we can implement it so it's it's the same thing you know what we don't want to do is we had to run down on Kyle Road there in Zephyr Hills yes as an example yes they were all approved ready to go and then one neighbor brought up the fact that they had uh to address storm water so you pulled it off the table which had already been waiting a year year and a half yes go back in and redesign for storm water wait another year yes and they're almost ready for it to be voted on or passed by the board and yet now we're going to pause them for seven or eight months so so we we are going to stop those okay when the new mstu begins okay what we don't want to do is to and I understand the cost for the people I'm for trying to help all the people we can yes yes so I can tell you the one that you know you are talking about we are going to start those um when the mstu program began begins next week so there wouldn't be a so much of a lost time the difference between that and the current pivas is just the cost that people are just not going to like the cost so those projects they'll be the first to go when the program new program begins based upon how much funds we get from the MSC well okay I'm going to carry on that too but Mr stock okay yeah so I I have um I you're not giving us a date and so I think of what these neighborhoods went through to get through this approval process and it was a lot and um and I know later today we're voting on one of my neighborhoods and P bass which I cannot vote on but uh what what I there's a road Buena Vista that's undrivable and to put it on pause um and I'm I'm sorry I think I I think I deleted all the pictures of it

um but I'm not okay with pausing really so if I could be clear here we have five projects that we have issued a notice to proceed on correct do we have are those listed are those are those the only five that we intended to con that we intended to do this fiscal year or are there others in this fiscal year that we intended to do I think that's really the question commissioner because if we intended to do them in fiscal year 23 what I'm hearing is is we should continue to do those projects but as Branford pointed out we have pvas projects that while the board may have approved them six months ago they may not get executed until fiscal fiscal year 24 for whatever reason funding limitations storm water matters Etc we're suggesting that we we definitely need to pause just because we need the resources to focus on establishing the mstu both from the public works perspective and getting geared up what Branford just said however is that these projects that have made it to that third and fourth step there is that I'm sorry at least to that third step and Beyond is that they would become a priority upon approval of the mstu which would be October of 23 so it's not a long wait it's it's more of a strategic pause if you will on that yes and I'd like to add if we approve our receipt out today we are not going to beginning until a year from now so it's almost the same thing all right I'm gonna I think there's some people here to speak to it I think I I know I'm already hearing from the people on Buena Vista that they were told apparently I didn't see it that they're on pause and it's causing great heartburn so is that the right word to use I mean are we really stopping or are we just rolling them into a different program well I think I think the proper word would be real oh that is what we are going to be doing okay because um what we don't do again is to do the pivas now and then at the same time we are doing the MS to you and the people who are paying on the P valves they say wow are we paying this amount and others are paying that on msdu yeah and I what um my understanding is because I attended the aristita pvas meeting and I've attended many others knowing that we were talking about this change is and I had an email from a Thousand Oaks residents who just had their Road paved that I know it's going to be complicated but that what I've always been told is that we're going to find a way that it's fair for everybody and you know some kind of Actuarial Table that if you just had your road paved um you don't have to pay yes when we come back in the spring we'll have that plan when we come back in the spring we will have that transition a credit system right the dead roads will have all those options uh for discussions Mr chairman I think we're having okay Jeff so from what I'm hearing from the team is the the issue really is is there

anything in the pending construction notice to proceed not issued that would be constructed this fiscal year anyway correct that's my question to the team and they're they're running that down right now is to see which projects had we not be coming to you with this what projects would have been done this fiscal year anyway um I think what I'm hearing the board say is please don't pause those continue to get those done well anyone we've gone as far as the process for example as far as aristita has gone through had their public here had their group meeting here already went through all the agonizing steps of convincing your neighbors to vote for it but they wouldn't be constructed anyway this fiscal year that's that's the problem is correct it's those 19 really that we're talking about how many of those 19 would Public Works have executed as part of their pvas what I'm hearing the board say is please don't pause those because at 23 if the mstu passes come 23 we either have an mstu and we're executing them if we do not have an mstu then we continue with pbas and I would say just keep the construction rolling and figure out how you're paying for it over here moving forward and I'm going to agree with that because if we if this does pass it does go through and it's going to take a lot more dialogue those people are going to be watching this thing are going to be directly involved for these 24 projects right off the bat anyway I think you keep the construction going best you can with what the funding is in place and if you can make it easier make it easier I think staff should save a lot of the paperwork time in the MSG which wouldn't happen until end of year anyway so as far as if they focus on the construction it's definitely the green light I agree with but if you can get the the next one on there the 19 projects put those in if there's a way to keep the other thing moving at least construction wise to get them all lined up get them all priced out keep keep that rolling too because One Way Or Another We're going to figure out how it's going to get paid for yeah okay and if they've taken the steps to come in and convince their neighbors to vote for it and have their hearing they their they've moved forward and we should be honoring that process okay commissioner I think if you look at our heartburn comes from the fact that I appreciate all the staff's work and work toward getting into a better program that helps our citizens but our heartburn comes with them going through all that process knowing they're fixing to get the road paved and then be held off for a year that's our heartburn right there I mean if there's some way we can start those or keep those to be going like you talked about then I'm all for it all for helping the citizens get these rows paved we have a lot of roads that need work on and that's why this pipeline gets as full as it does but it'll be Fuller once this system gets in place so

okay we hear you hear you yep but it'll be better I understand it's just heartburner going getting into it yes we've got it so the word pause is gone okay okay we're going to execute the FY 23p best plan that's what we're doing the money's if the money is there get the jobs done yes and then we'll work on yeah to balance everything else spend all your money we'll keep going end it all right yeah the best you can but if I could be clear however the the first two steps we do want to pause we don't want to take in anymore after today after after today yes absolutely after today we have things that have already been noticed and we're going to continue with those that are that are here today as as part of that step but basically we're going to turn the red light green for the pending construction not issued provided it was in the FY 23 budget at least at this point and they would continue down the path yeah um any more input commission Bradford last night excuse me last night I did my own little survey walking around my neighborhood who has an HOA and a uh a CDD thank you a CDD I'm here for him every day and uh I asked him a simple question do you know who pays your road or we need to pay the road so I'm telling you I got oh the CDD pays it or the HOA pays it then I went across the street and talked to the guy who's on the CDD who's got a bunch of Christmas lights that my wife is you know trying to keep up with him and the bottom line is don't be late on this and get it right because it is a significant part of people's lives they're worried about paying the mortgage they're worried about paying the car payment they don't know who's Paving their roads all they know there's a hole in it and we need to fix it so I encourage you to stay on top of this and with all due diligence thank you anyone else at this point okay let me reach out for a public comment anybody signed up we do have three individuals signed up I have Ken Dobbs oh I think twice um can followed by Allison Crumley so I counted um Mr dabs twice so there's only two people signed up okay I have uh public comment on two different items one one oh one is 100 and one is 110. I see it thank you hi Kim Dabbs 4617 Flora Mart Terrace Golf Harbors three four six five two I'm I saw this and I'm still confused of the new website is a nightmare to navigate used to be able to find the item go to the supporting documents now you spend hours scrolling through things so I I couldn't even find everything uh I've paid for several pvas in the past at different houses that I own I didn't have a problem with it we've looked at our street we voted on it it needed fixed we asked we petitioned and assessed ourselves basically and it worked out fine so why are we going to an mstu

and and complicating this the only thing that's happening that I see with this mstu is you're taking the choice away from the owners on that street and putting it in your hands we're going to have no control over anything I don't see that as a benefit I just really don't commissioner happy to answer she's my neighbor okay um Let me let Justin okay okay then you added to it so succinctly I wish I had the last presentation that we had up on 10 25. there was a slide in there I have it here in front of me there are three succinct things that the the current pvas does not cover that this new system is designed to cover one of the biggest things is continued maintenance so right now pvas comes in it paves the road and and we've we've long used that adage of of doing maintenance on your car changing fluids changing the oil keeping the upkeep right so long-term maintenance costs are lower in the life of the car extends for a longer period of time right now pdas does not do that so you have some cases where you can have roads enter a pvas program no maintenance is done the road ends its useful life right and you have the same problem and it boomerangs and comes back around and those same residents could theoretically be assessed again to have the road completely repaved the current structure also does not cover V roads and dirt roads and so that's something that this board has expressed a lot of interest in and so part of an MSU getting a county-wide situation A county-wide taxing unit to be able to do that is what that contemplates there so and and we've had that number come out right before when we've done public dirt roads yes versus private terms yes um so did you do all three yeah the third one is just the the overwhelming the overwhelming estimate of local road maintenance that's needed that's a 1.2 billion dollar problem over the next 30 Years and so those are things that the current event system is not able to adequately cover Mr stuck um so how many counties in the U.S still do PBS I don't have an exact number but I think you said two we looked at it oh in the states two in the state yeah in the state okay I mean it's it's it's an archaic uh inefficient process um we our staff spends a lot of time going out and assessing some of these neighborhood roads um the people have to they get pitted against each other in neighborhoods and a lot and then sometimes well many times they fail I don't even know what the past fail rate is but it's a horrific waste of your taxpayer dollars um and it is very at times very very contentious and to keep filling potholes because people don't want to pay for their road to be fixed it's a it's money out the window so this is just there's a reason why everyone does it this way and we're just very late to to coming to the table on

this one you mentioned the fail rate that's currently uh that's 70 Bill rate yeah so it's and I'll add a little bit um I I think that you know when when the previous board way back when 25 years ago whenever it was they needed to do something because they had to fix the road somehow so they had a lot of people that said I'm willing to pay I think it's how it went and then they started that process it was revised once to make it a little bit better but again the issues that we still have out there you don't take care of your citizens the way you should in this process does take a lot of time I mean these presentations that have to go on that staff time there they could be doing other things on getting things through the process the recording fees that are on these whole things every step of the way by setting this in we've had the Road and Bridge fund that I've wrote it on for 18 years for zero every single year and when we had the gas tax I suggested that we actually start implementing that Road and Bridge fund to start doing this as well so this is actually going to make it better for a lot of our citizens so that the people that even done a Paving assessment already once the next time through they can start paying now and they know they won't get hit with another assessment later on and commissioner because you and I struggled with a lot of different roads dirt roads we still can't find a way to get it done where you know if someone's living on a dirt road they're generally not going to be as well off it's going to be harder for them to get into the mix to ever get it approved and they just sit and when you get police and fire they need to go out there post office people need to deliver you can't take care of them this is going to give give us in a way they're going to pay extra for it but it gives us a way to get it done for all our people instead of going one public hearing after another public hearing we can make the decision as your elected body to figure out which ones need to get done and how do we move them forward and again so that'll be a step go back in history the reason pbas even started was back in the 50s and 60s the growth was all in Newport Richie all the roads were being built over here and everything your citrus Growers and all to the east side of the county and they didn't want to be assessed on their taxes for paying for roads over here they didn't mind paying for roads in their area so it's actually evolved to a time that and it were probably past due but this process should have come forward and it is right for everybody because we're all having the same issues we're growing we got growing pains and we need our roads prepared and this this will put us in the right place and I'm glad you're here Justin because if anyone get this done I'll be you again and um and also in the long run will spend a lot less money on road maintenance because we'll have a maintenance program I think you still have one more person inside I do uh

Allison Crumley and I see Michael Cox after that commissioner this is not the aristida pvas yeah yes right please twice in one day I know the other one was more fun though I have to admit good afternoon honorable Board of County Commissioners chairman Mariano Miss Alvarez and attorney and I'd like to welcome the two new newbies welcome and congratulations I appreciate so much that you have this on your list of projects and thank you for your comments commissioner Starkey that we're going to we want to keep moving with the paving I also understand our aristita HOA is working closely with you all to resolve our particular Paving issues as well as drainage and my comments are going to tie in with the drainage part because if the drainage isn't fixed obviously the paving really doesn't last isn't going to work so um I'd like to have just on the record for those of you who are new to the situation that the drainage issues on my street in particular which is panicum Court have existed for the better part of 20 years my Swale in particular on my property becomes a sort of retention Pond for our street and stays for days or weeks during the rainy season the situation has worsened and it was created by a number of residents on the street who filled in their swales and that has blocked the flow of the original system which was supposed to meander the water okay in 2015 I was in contact with a gentleman from Swift Mud John powanda he had sent me a letter he had sent me a survey of my street and all those in violation and you know I'll admit if arswell has raised because of settlement we have to pay and do whatever we have to get that fixed we will do whatever although we've never physically altered ours intention and I could Supply I know you are all are inundated with emails and everything else but if you want that letter and survey from 2015 I can supply it that was seven years ago I don't know whatever happened um except nothing so we're a little frustrated we've been very patient and we do appreciate the efforts and that you're moving this forward and uh oh one and it is worsening a few years ago we had um there was a lot of rain that particular summer which we get a lot of rain and there was nowhere for the water to flow in our yard because this retention Pond was filled and which is not supposed to be there and our pool filled in with mud and we we wound up spending about forty five hundred dollars to dig a drainage ditch to pull it out to the street so I think that was my yeah that was it I have some pictures I'm just you have another with y'all minute but Allison the aristida pbas is a little later well that's what I was asking now this is this is about changing from pvas to mstu well I don't know what those letters mean I'm on the school board we

don't have those letters stop me we have two minutes does that mean we're done I don't have to come back right but you did say you're you're glad we're moving to the mstu and moving forward I think that's what I heard her say oh you're gonna stop to me do you want my pictures now or later uh move to receive and file second all right all right file them in one one yeah I'm here not in 100. yeah you didn't have to be polite you could have told me to stop and um Mr Cox are you 100 or 100 I did sign up for 100 and and 111. so good good afternoon Commissioners uh welcome commissioner Bradford and commissioner Weightman to your new roles and I hope that uh you find it as rewarding as I did back in the day when I had the pleasure of serving with chairman Mariano I will tell you this is a long time coming um I will also say that I wish that when I was a commissioner we had an mstu because dealing with the pvas programs and seeing that the pain that everyone went through whether it was County staff the citizens the Commissioners and hearing the pleas on either side this will take a lot of that off the table and do really what needs to be done and that is pay people's roads right one of the things that I don't think I've heard today is the fact that in order for the current pvas program to work and be somewhat palatable to people is the fact that the the county kicks in significant dollars to these projects so having an mstu and a funding source for once will hopefully free those dollars up so you can use it for other Transportation needs or or something else so there's probably a pretty large number there that um will will be freed up for you so I would certainly encourage you to pass it I would also ask that the cut off time is whether or not construction has been ordered you know I think that that makes sense to do it that way if you're if you're thinking of trying to bring in some of these projects that are already in the Hopper into the new program earlier well then great but I think that the folks that who have petition petitioned and gone through the process but their construction hasn't started like the aristita one which is later in the agenda that that be covered under the new mstu process so I'll be speaking to that when we get to that but thank you very much and I appreciate you finally getting this over to Finish Line because it's been painful commissioner why are you there just on another topic I want to take advantage of it just because that holiday parade did you get the things you needed around the lake from us we've heard nothing about it all right would you um talk to I guess Eric about it yeah before you go all right during the break yeah okay okay thanks okay is anyone else here to speak to item p100

good afternoon Commissioners Mr chair welcome to the new Commissioners glad to see you I'm Michael Lawson I'm director of operations and Metro Development Group and um as you know we have many cdds in throughout the Florida particularly in Pasco County and and very happy to do business here I think the mstu program for a sourcing is a great idea consistency um I just have a couple questions on the on the proposed ordinance the exhibit doesn't show the cdds in blue that are going to be in the program it shows cdds that are to be excluded so if they're excluded does that mean that those cdds are not going to be assessed the mstus correct so that yeah so the legal answer is if you petitioned that the CDD is doing the maintenance and it's so it's the you're specially assessing your residence for that pavement you are they won't be getting a tax bill from us for that if it's an early like some of your cdds the the earlier ones that they're County Roads within the cdds they will they will get assessed unless the CDD wishes to enter into an interlocal agreement with us that they're going to take over the maintenance and they are going to especially assess their residents that's working the working plan right now because I'm getting a lot of questions from a lot of residents so I just want to be able to answer I have meetings tonight as a matter of fact because you know all four of these districts here in the county um thank you for that clarification but I know there are some some districts that should be excluded if that's the case we'll have to probably just Shore that up with staff as they move through this process that where all these subdivisions have been planted and the roads dedicated to the cdds in those situations even though maybe the petition was an older form didn't have that obligation so we just want to make sure we don't want we have communities that have more than one District because they're so large we don't have the district being assessed by the county and the other one being reserved by residents just kind of make it consistent on that and I just wanted that clarification and appreciate that that's all I had but thank you very much and good to see you and Merry Christmas to everyone Merry Christmas uh is there anyone else to p100 is there anyone online um we had someone sign up but they are not they're not all right we're going to close the public hearing part uh any more questions for staff I'd like to make a comment um just talking about swales um years ago I went to a community called Oak Ridge and that Community there in the midst of everybody on both sides of them flooding they maintain their swales they were dry as a bone all the time so just as we take care of drainage if something's supposed to be done regular

maintenance just like a dirt road shouldn't should pay extra right the drainage part that should have been done it come to confirmation whatever should be with those residents as well just like a dirt road extra someone who has filled in swales they should be you know painted paying their share for that too I would think just a discussion point for this say that again so uh so I'll give you an example Oak Ridge yeah I used to live in Riviera behind Oak Ridge okay so Riviera behind it at one point did not maintain their ditches John paulander and Company had to go in there get the CDD to go or the HOA HOA to go maintain it and they did and they were in great shape from there Oak Ridge on the other side never had a problem because they maintained the swales yeah never had flooding so every community that takes care of this whales obviously is going to be okay to do it but if whether it be aristida or another community that has filled in ditches that didn't maintain them that should be part of it but that shouldn't fall in the burden on the others yeah and you know who else has done that it's in your District now um off of um 54 on the other side of Suncoast they filled in their their they filled in their ditches and their cemented their culverts and it's a mess in there and I'm all for us working with them every step of the way but again In fairness to the people for the paving it's all about Paving not for the other stuff so um may I say that part of the road paving process involves Road related drainage so if you have before we come in there and do any Paving works for the past four or five years we need to do that soil Improvement if there's a pipe that is is going bad we need to replace them as well so that's really related to energy it's about 50 stormwater fifty percent uh rodent Bridge Road and drainage fans okay [Music] all right any more thoughts or additions anyone I want to make a motion uh move to approve second happy day yeah one one additional comment to this is okay sorry is I'm for this I'm just I feel like the discussion needs to happen when we set the rate the residents have had a new tax put on them right and so I'm excited this is finally happening um but I feel like real work gets done when we see it next absolutely all these little details are coming out they're all going to come out and believe when it gets the numbers all these people that are on these projects that are coming up they will be out there talking about what they want to see so we will get a lot of feedback but I will tell you the team Justin and Company are phenomenal uh the stuff they've done with uh I'll say that Highlands Paving assessment that you had done up there the uh fqa takeover what you had to go make through there to this complex problem these guys just are

great at it I think I didn't do a little great job getting the word out for all the people to look at see it before we vote on it so I feel real confident on it okay that's a roll call district one commissioner Oakley aye District Two commissioner Weightman aye District 3 commissioner Starkey aye District 4 commissioner Bradford aye District Five chairman Mariano hi okay now we'll move to public hearings um County attorney would you explain the process be happy to Mr chairman there are two rezoning agendas regular and consent staff will present each application to the board of County Commissioners if staff or Planning Commission is recommended approval and there is no opposition to the application the application will be considered by the board without further presentation if staff are planning a commission has recommended denial or if there is opposition to the application the applicant will be given five minutes for presentation the opposition will be given three minutes for each individual or five minutes for a group representative and the applicant will be given three minutes for rebuttal any individual disagreeing with staff or Planning Commission recommendation or anyone wishing to object to any condition of the rezoning May at this time request the petition be pulled from the consent agenda in which case that application will be heard under the regular agenda later on during the meeting otherwise all rezoning applications on the consent agenda will be approved by a single motion and vote if you wish to speak to any petition please give your please give your name and address and whether or not you've been sworn for the record these are quasi-judicial public hearings the law in Florida is that mere public support or opposition of an application is insufficient for this board to take action please limit your comments to those criteria found within the board's Land Development care Adam clerk would you like to swear the public in yes thank you if you are here to speak on the remaining items if you could please stand to be sworn in if you're here to speak on the remaining items please stand I think the gentleman in the front wanted to speak earlier yes yes didn't you want to speak earlier yeah no no no no no no no no no no this is swearing in this is all right please raise your right hands thank you do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth so help you God thank you you may be seated the three public hearing items in the consent agenda we'll start with p101 it's a continuance yeah and we have proof of this um the p101 was published in the Tampa Times on August 17 2022. thank you Mr chairman uh p101 is pdd23

cu-03 it's a conditional use request holding the LLC and Priya Properties LLC Urban 54 Estates it's a conditional use for multi multiple family dwellings in a C2 General commercial District in South Central County on the north side of State 154. uh the item is requested for continuous to February 21 2023 at 1 30 pm here in Newport Richie motion to continue p10101 so move do we have a second second second all in favor say aye aye aye p102 another continuance item p102 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on October 5th 2022. item p-102 is is pdd23cu05 in the name of golf Vision 2 LLC and Verizon Wireless it's a one 145 foot above ground level monopole Wireless Communications facility in an mpud master plan unit development District in South Central Pasco County on the south side of Lexington Oaks Boulevard this is to continue it to a date uncertain yeah I have a motion to take time uncertain but move second all in favor say aye aye aye and P103 do we have P103 you have proof yes item P103 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on November 2nd 2022. P103 is pdd23-7607 it's a zoning Amendment in the name of Bill's Wildcat ccmpd connected City master plan unit development Wildcat Groves Incorporated Janet Elizabeth and Cynthia D Bales it's a rezoning request from an ER and state residential zoning District to an mpud Master Planning Development to a lot of development of a maximum of 1275 multi-family residential units 155 000 square feet of retail 150 000 square feet of office 150 000 square feet of medical office 250 hotel rooms and 365 000 square feet of Hospital uses on approximately 176 Acres The Continuous request is to March 7 2023 at 1 30 PM in Dade City government should continue move to continue second all in favor say aye aye okay uh item p104 do we have proof yes Mr chair um item p104 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on October 19 2022. nmp 104 is the zoning Amendment to the name of Apple Enterprises trust Paul and Madison and Maria Clementine Stamper ttee catfish Town Homes it's a change in zoning from AR agricultural residential district and R2 low density residential district to an mf1 multi multiple family medium density districts in South Central Pasco County on the northeast corner of Catfish Lake Road and Camp Indian Head Road containing approximately 6.52 Acres it's a continuance request to January 10 2023 at 1 30 PM in Dade City you have a motion to continue move through a second all in favor say aye all right all right p105 do we have proof yes Mr chair item p105 was published on Tampa Bay Times on August 3rd 2022 and by Affidavit of sight postings item p105 is a large-scale comprehensive

plan Amendment PDD 230009 it's cpal 2206 Saddlebrook Resort it's a transmittal of a proposed large-scale comprehensive plan Amendment creating subariate policy flu 7.1.66 creating future land use map 2-9 sheet66 amending future land use map maps 2-15 and sheet22 from res 6 residential six volumes per grow secret to PD plan development on approximately 420.47 Acres of real property located south of State Road 54 and east of service road this is in the agenda memo it's requested to continue to January 10 2023 at 1 30 in Dade City but in consultation with the applicants in their agreement the request is to continue to February 7 2023 at 1 30 PM in Dade City and before I ask for this motion I want to just bring out a point from residence they had a series of public hearings and the attorney wants to speak to what she can as well I've talked with her about it and talk to the residents they were very uncomfortable with the way the PO the posting was done with the rezoning I got a ton of phone calls across the board on the item um the unclearness of what was going to happen even with that um was not made to them so I don't feel frankly that the Planning Commission got a good hearing and those are some experts we have on there to take a look at everything for us I would like to even see how the board feels but I really think this thing should go back to the Planning Commission before it comes back to us as well so I want to throw that out there with what I know I think we've all got emails on it so the changes they've made because the changes are but the even even more importantly the unclearness of whatever they had limited amount of public hearing on it that not everybody got to do it they didn't get to do it in person and if ever there's a place in the planet that should be able to accommodate a public hearing I would think it would be Saddle Brook Resort so I want to share that with you neighborhood meeting the neighborhood meeting yeah yeah the neighborhood meeting I'm sorry yeah they would meeting for everybody to come to and I think they should do it all at once where everybody's in there hearing the whole thing so I I feel that way um I just wanted before we make this continuous and I do appreciate that you're willing to move it back for us uh accommodate the signs as well so I do appreciate what you've done Barbara don't get me wrong but I just think with the people just the extra feedback I keep getting that they feel that they weren't their voices weren't heard from the get-go so I want to know what you guys think if you think that way as well then wow of what they've done Marvel height 6327 Grand Boulevard Newport Richie 3 4652 we've done a lot this is a process and we've been going through that process

over the summer the client started with meetings with the homeowners association the boards I think there's four it started with that the boards then they went in and did virtual meetings there was an issue with one of the meetings in Fairway Village with the number of people that you could be on Zoom they did another virtual meeting they're getting ready to do another in-person round of meetings this this and they're working through the HOAs to set those up because that's how the boards want them set up the boards themselves want to give out the notices to their residents as opposed to giving out a list that we would send to that my client would send to all the information that's is always the same when he presents different boards so he's getting ready to do in-person meetings this month so we feel we'll be ready for the board in well probably in January but we have agreed to February we followed all the process in the code and the comp plan we're reaching out to people everybody's getting the information so we'd like to continue on the schedule that we're on we've agreed instead of January to February and we're going to continue this process and continue meeting with people and working with them and we've are coming back to meet with you all trying to get those meetings to keep you up to date along the way with what we've been doing because we have been making changes we have been listening and some pretty significant things that we've been talking to with there's two of the HOAs that are represented by Council so I work with their Council so that's a pretty big effort but uh we we do want to stay on schedule because we did follow all the rules all right so Barbara I I appreciate what you're doing and I don't I'm not implying that you guys did anything wrong per se just the way it was done is not satisfactory to the residents that I've talked to and I do think that if we're going to hear if they're going to hear a presentation everybody affected should be in the same room the same presentation in a in a meeting whether they want to do it separately that's that's extra but everybody's in the whole Community should be hearing it at the same time what's going to be done and when the questions were asked didn't get answers is even more reason to go back to everybody well they have more hang on more importantly whatever's going to get submitted to what's going to go on out there that should be part of the presentation that the Planning Commission hears and there was a lot of unclarity frankly the way it's set it's very unique setup but for frankly is this to go forward to be even on consent from before it should never have gone that way in my opinion but the Planning Commission I feel needs to hear a full presentation and the people should be able to come into the Planning Commission let them ask the questions of these folks that we appoint that represent us to be that extra layer of protection for the folks to get the

public hearing process done to let them get hurt so I I'm gonna I'll request it now well can I ask a question because sure if staff can I see Terry's looking at his phone he's probably looking at dates if we could have a Planning Commission hearing in January still come to the board in February because we need to do these meetings I'm okay I'm okay with that so I don't want to keep pushing and pushing and actually if you keep pushing it it actually makes it worse because then there's gaps and then people don't know you know they're like what's going on with the hearings and so yeah time-wise I'm okay I'm okay with the January meeting if you can get in plan a commission I'm okay with that as long as you get your meeting done ahead of time [Laughter] I think we can you know it's December 6th so I think we can manage a Planning Commission in January probably the first whichever one yeah the first meeting in January 5. no I'm very glad you're saying that I think the people be happy with that and I think that that would work for me and that one's not wouldn't slow the process down either I'm fine with that I'm very confident that uh the things that my clients are my clients doing that we'll have a lot of buy-in actually as we go forward we've just got a lot going on and we're really working hard on it so I have no problem going back I guess that's what you'll do is you'll because you're hearing today you just refer back to Planning Commission I guess that's the motion but you've got your attorney here let me see from our County attorney how would you like to how we recommends we handle it so the I guess the question becomes you can continue your board meeting day to the date in February with direction to the applicant to hold an additional Planning Commission meeting on January 5th okay I think that okay otherwise you're going to have to start over with a board ad and I don't know if you remanded to Planning Commission then you're going to start over re-advertising it so thank you okay that's why you're here man so it's the so this this meeting would be this hearing would be continued to the February 7th border County Commissioners meeting in Dade City is that at 1 30 or soon thereafter as they may be heard we don't have to continuance hang on for a second how do we add in about the Planning Commission to hear it as well or do we have to and and with with direction to staff to bring this matter to the January 5th to January 5th Planning Commission I just want to ask the question of how are we going to notice the Planning Commission meeting because the code just changed today so I want to I will do full notice we have 700 people we need to notice too we have a third

party company who's going to do any of the notices we're waiting for today to get nobody notices out so we now know what to notice so we'll do that immediately so you can add a veteran same piece of paper and send it all up together what was that you can do both of them together on the same notice yes perfect and we'll repost an additional sign that we talked about commissioner okay and uh we will go from there excellent all right thank you Miss Wilhite uh make motion to send the items to Planning Commission in January and we'll see you see this back again in February 5th January 5th commissioner if I may can you move the dates are important in your motion so so it would be I'd move to continue the board meeting the board hearing on this matter to February 7th 2023 at 1 30 or soon thereafter I say may be held and direct and have the matter referred back to Planning Commission on the January 5th uh 2023 Planning Commission date with advert with advertising of both matters is that your mission I adopt Mr Stein Schneider second I'll show you that but I'd like to see him repeat that all right I have a motion second all in favor say aye aye any opposed all right Barbara thank you very much appreciate it foreign thank you board for entertaining my conversation on that and that will bring us to the consent agenda we have three items do we have proof move to approve proof item p106 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on October 19th 22 . item p106 is PDD 237660 to zoning Amendment mb3 Properties LLC matter Brothers It's a change in zoning from an AC agricultural district and C2 General commercial District to a C2 General commission District in South Central Pasco County on the south side of State Road 54 approximately a quarter mile west of Wesley Chapel Boulevard containing approximately 9.4 Acres this comes as a recommendation to approve okay it was on the consent agenda is anyone from the audience will wish to speak in opposition of p106 is there anyone on WebEx WebEx for p106 okay hearing none keep it on consent p107 item p107 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on October 19 2022 and I do have individuals signed up for this item okay um so we're going to pull item p107 uh p108 item p108 was published on Tampa Times on October 19 2022. 3108 -87670 it's a zoning Amendment krikist Inc change in zoning from an AR agricultural residential district to a C2 General commercial District Northwest Pasco County on North on the northeast corner of U.S Highway 19 and Gladwin Avenue containing approximately 9.66 acres and this comes with a recommendation to approve is there anyone here to speak in

opposition of p108 in the audience anybody on WebEx no one on WebEx and if I could let me just clarify I'm going to keep this on consent let me go back to 107. is there anybody on p107 that's signed up that's an opposition of the item p107 anybody in opposition of p107 okay no one on the no one went back so let's leave all three on consent away from motion now yeah something's happening sorry Bloom Divine Planning and Development I do believe there are some people in the audience today who would like to speak on 107. I don't know if there are in opposition but I believe they have some concerns okay but it is up to board all right so I'm gonna pull 107 then I'm sorry so can I have a motion on the consent for p106 and 108. move approval for 106 and 108 second all in favor say aye aye aye okay p107 okay do a presentation I want to speak thank you very much for coming forward Liam Divine Planning and Development before I begin item p107 I have received several expertise for each of the Commissioners and I have provided them to the clerk's office I would also like to request to receive and file a conceptual for this rezoning move to stream also can someone make that motion this is Stephen file second all in favor say aye aye um PDD 23-7665 in the name of Rima Investments LLC Apple Enterprises trust it is a rezoning Amendment from R2 low density residential district 2c2 General commercial District the subject site is located on the southwest side of Catfish Lake Road north of State Road 54. this is an aerial view of the project this is the surrounding future land use to the north Is Res six to the east is calm commercial to the South Is Res 12 and res 3 and to the West is calm commercial as well the surrounding zoning to the north is R2 to the east is C2 to the South is AR and mpud and to the West is R2 the subject site is currently undeveloped on approximately 8.39 Acres the applicant proposes to develop the property with a daycare and restaurant in conformance with the C2 General commercial District standards for development access to the property is from State Road 54 a f dot maintain our trailer roadway with approximately 200 feet of right-of-way that varies and Camp Indian head and catfish catfish Lake Road a county maintain local Road they're approximately 50 feet of right-of-way that varies the surrounding areas characterized by commercial and residential development and the subject site has a future land use classification of com commercial here are updated conceptual plans for the rezoning and here's a zoomed in version as well this is coming with a recommendation from Planning Commission and Planning Development Department for approval I'm

here if you have any questions okay thank you any questions yes um I'm looking at um Google Maps I guess and there's a five foot sidewalk to the west of this are there any plans to I know this is the old part of 54 and before we went to complete streets and put multi-use on the North side in other places along 54. what what is the plan if any for this area so I I can double check on that why you accept public comment um and see if there are any plans are you referring to to um the frontage the frontage just along 54. yeah there's a sidewalk there now I just didn't know if in our master plan there was a hope or dream of having something other than a five foot sidewalk that may be a four foot sidewalk I I will double check and I can answer that after public comment if that's all right with you thank you chairman yes so am I missing something you've distributed a conceptual plan for euclidean straight euclidean zoning to C2 is there a conditional use that's going with this there is not the applicant submitted a conceptual and I believe there are several individuals here that have concerns and they reviewed that conceptual with the applicant and wanted to speak with to that today and if they were going to reference it I wanted to make sure you guys had it in front of you but if it's C2 the applicant can do can submit a site plan for whatever they want correct okay just making that clear yep there there is no deed restriction for uses either so this would be allow any of the C2 uses permitted okay with the applicant lights come forward good afternoon my name is Jason Glazer 19940 Northeast 21st Court um as discussed our applications yeah then you're good to go thank you so we are looking to rezone the property uh to C2 commercial which is part of the future land use um we are proposing to build a 12 000 square foot daycare facility a Class A facility actually run by a franchisee a local Pasco County resident it's not a com uh corporate use as well as a proposed restaurant for the front um we have spoken with a couple of the residents in regards to some of their concerns and I wanted to address some of those concerns first being uh the postings we had sent all the postings that we were required to via mail have sent the planning and zoning department copies of the postings as well as we have a lot of the return receipts we also posted our sign as properly required it had blown over which we then fixed and sent proof of that to the planning and zoning department secondly we've heard concerns about traffic our original proposed site plan had two exits onto Catfish Lake Road with three buildings proposed we tone that down to two buildings with one exit

onto Catfish Lake Road one direct straight Lane coming in off State Road 54 and heading out the back we purposely put the daycare facing the back so that there's no playground in the rear causing noise for children during the day also for the safety of children not having that along the back road and we feel that it's proper adequately spaced so that way there would not cause any backup in traffic furthermore I want to reiterate this is not a school this is a daycare there is no drop off no stacking you have to physically Park and walk your child into the property uh the property usually gets busy from one to three o'clock most of the day it won't interfere with afternoon traffic morning traffic it would probably if it was maxed out at all times would hold 160 kids but but drop off occurs by age group so it's never full all at the same time so we're alleviating traffic with that and furthermore we've heard issues in regards to the wetlands the property is about 8.39 Acres of which only three acres are Uplands we will have to mitigate some of the wetlands based on our Wetland studies they are not high quality Wetlands we have done endangered species studies there are currently no endangered species found on the property we will be mitigating about a half acre of the wetlands we will have to enhance those Wetlands adding about another half acre to the property furthermore we understand that sometimes when it rains there is ponding that is probably due to the quality of the wetlands it's not draining properly we will be adding retention as well as connecting to the sewer system which should alleviate some of those issues as well as [Music] um excuse me and and furthermore with the wetlands excuse me there are no endangered species is specifically in the areas that will be impacted uh we believe that the new proposed site plan takes care of a lot of the issues that we've heard from the local community and we believe as heard from some of the residents earlier this morning that the use proposed is of high quality and is not just another Burger King or McDonald's and is actually supporting the local community by building a use for a local resident we've built about 12 of these throughout Central and West Florida we've never had issues with parking we've never had issues with big traffic areas and we do believe that it's a use that will provide a benefit to the whole community you've got any questions Mr chair yes sir for your commissioner waiting thank you what's your name again Jason Glazer Mr Glazer what's your hours of operation for your daycare the daycare is open from about 8 A.M to 5 p.m but with staggered drop-offs yeah and your restaurant would be run till right now we don't have a restaurant it's just a proposed retail building we don't have anything lined up okay thank you any other questions is that billboard

yours the billboard is not ours we appreciate your coming forward now we're going to take some public comment thank you Brad you want to add something yes I did want to add something real quick just uh clarification and I think uh Mr Stein Schneider was speaking to it earlier uh this is the zoning euclidean your zoning uh the conceptual plan and the different aspects that he's talked about in different uses are not confirmed as part of this process the site has not gone through any form of approval with us so some of those claims of access points and things like that are subject to change we just want to make sure that that was clear that this hasn't been gone through the process very good and we have some residents who want to speak yes I have a couple individuals signed up the first I have is Veronica Sanchez followed by Cindy I think it's minor Molina thank you and then Stephanie Rose there's there's others well those are the first three okay hi good afternoon um I wanted to start by saying thank you for your time I did send an email yesterday asking for extra time if I could stop you though yes sir let's have your name address and then have you been apologies my name is Veronica Sanchez 2316 Reserve Court Orlando Lakes 34639 and I have been sworn in thank you um so I did send an email asking for a little extra time since I am kind of leading our community with this I don't believe I may need the extra time but just to be safe how much extra time do you want um just two minutes welcome so um uh I've so I have sent emails to the commission I'm not sure if you had an opportunity to take a look but the first thing that I would love to impress is the fact that our community is not against rezoning we are not here to stop this rezoning as a matter of fact I did have an opportunity to speak with the applicant John from eg3 development and we are actually very welcome to their business coming into our community we know that this is a family-based community we know that it's going to be a place for children and we are very open to that our big concern as a neighborhood is our safety and the ability to come in and out of our neighborhood very easily I understand uh that they're talking about the drop-off times and um and that's okay it's just where our community is it's kind of hard to get in and out already um and some of my neighbors who are here with me will give you those presentation points here in just a little bit uh as just mentioned I do know that the conceptual can be changed so I would like to bring up a couple of the concerns that we have um the first conceptual actually was very concerning for us because it was

showing two entrances on the back side one of those entrances was actually across the street from a couple of the homes we are much more comfortable with the new conceptual and one of the things that we would like to have is a safeguard that there will only be one back entrance we would like to request that that back entrance remain approximately 350 feet away from Camp Indian head because the new conceptuals are a little bit more zoomed in it's difficult to see exactly where it sits along uh Catfish Lake Road so it's it's a little bit difficult to see where it is in conjunction with a camp Indian Head so one of the things that we are asking is to please keep the back entrance at least 350 feet away from Camp Indian head which would be more ideal for that entrance to not be across the street from homes I also understand when I spoke with John one of the things that he told me was the fact that when they're coming in that they are actually planning on improving the land which I appreciate you very much and on the conceptual I see where they're doing the the wet Pond and everything we would also like to request some um some trees maybe some buffering just to make sure that there is some sort of green that is still going to kind of separate where the homes are on Camp Indian Head away from just that whole property in general we just we would like to be able to just have a little bit of Separation we're not asking for a whole lot and that is another one of the things in consideration with just the site plan itself that is another one of our concerns is to make sure that we have proper buffering also because of the fact that homes are so close to this site one of our concerns is also the lighting of the property we want to make sure that it doesn't interfere we're not getting a lot of light pollution on the homes that are on Camp Indian head so if we could get directional lighting to make sure that that remains you know a nice private area for our residents and they're not getting a big Spotlight going like right into their house um so you know the directional lighting the issue with the back entrance we're open to having the back entrance there because I do understand my husband is actually a first responder so we understand the need for being able to have several points of Ingress and egress from the property one of the ideas that I would like to present is perhaps on the back end you can have to have the entrance but perhaps make it an exit only to the right maybe exit to the right onto catfish that way you're not getting increased uh traffic coming into the camp Indian Head residence so um I believe that for me that's all I have I'm sorry let me just take a look at my notes since I have 30 seconds here

um so again I just really want to impress the fact that we are not trying to stop this rezoning we're not saying we don't want you here we are very open for Kitty Academy to come into our neighborhood we just want to make sure that this remains a safe place for us for the families who are going to come in and be part of kitty Academy and to make sure that everyone is gets in and out of our neighborhood easily okay so we'll respond to what you say but we'll just take public comment but I'm sorry I I'll ask some questions but I'll wait for the rest okay good well thank you very much thank you Mindy Milner good afternoon I'm Cindy melaner I'm a resident 2327 Camp Indian Head Road in land o' Lakes 34639 and yes I have been sworn in and we have a presentation I'm hoping just one moment they're loading it okay okay there you go great um the couple of items I wanted to address with you today is really about the safety and the quality of the road um specifically Catfish Lake Road and as you can see from these photos it really depicts a lot of the safety issues it has not been kept it's an unkept road we don't have any sidewalks we have no bike trails we don't have curbs we are literally walking on the road it's a very narrow road it's only 20 feet wide so that's clearly not allowing a lot of traffic to flow in and out um the you know the ideal scenario would be to get sidewalks at least for taking our dogs out or my son actually goes to Pasco County he's a high school student he just started this year his first day was actually the worst part of it was walking to the bus stop in the morning and he had he's never been one to be vulnerable like this so he said to me Mom I I honestly could hear things but I couldn't see anything in front of me all I saw was black I couldn't even find the road where I was walking um coincidentally two days later my husband and I were driving home and it was dark same pathway he walks to the bus to the bus stop and a gator a six foot Gator across my path obviously not a position we want any of our children to ever be in especially when they're on a narrow dark Road without a sidewalk or curb to help guide their path and so that was frightening but the road itself is up here in the screen and it just again depicts the lack of sidewalks no curbs we talked about that a little bit um there so thank you for your time sorry you have another minute you have another minute oh good I thought that just told me to stop no one minute um so really the amount of vehicle traffic that can come in and out is is limited Again by that narrow roadway um the the road itself is is really unkept and that's I think the biggest concern I mean we live within a mile of

Publix you literally want to take your bike there and avoid 54's traffic altogether but when you don't feel safe riding a bike down to the grocery store that's sad because you know we have a great community and it's just in dire need of cleaning up um especially when you think about the projections of a daycare that hosts 180 students in a day now they said Max Capacity 160 every other number I've seen is 180 so don't know if there's any discrepancy there but between drop-offs pickups faculty staff you're looking at about 320 Vehicles plus the town homes of 24 Town Homes which would actually double our residential population as from what it is today so thank you um Stephanie Rose followed by Heather Willis followed by Jacob lucensky lucenko followed by Patty yovino hello good afternoon thank you so much for your time my name is Stephanie Rose I also live in Camp Indian Head Road and I have been sworn in the Powerpoints here on the uh the slides intersection Road just to kind of give you guys a perspective of where we're at I'm a realtor and a broker and we are on 54 between 41 and Collier Parkway so we're three and a half miles from the outlet mall on 75 so we're extremely extremely busy uh we have 10 10 000 folks moving in per week uh for the last two years since since covet has hit but regardless intersection 54 and campaign Indian Road as dangerous as it is now if you've ever traveled it we see accidents daily uh between 54 between Kohler Parkway and 41. vehicles traveling very fast they're about 50 about 60 to 70 miles which is not uncommon our wait times just to make a left-hand turn which I'll be showing here shortly are typically anywhere between three and five minutes we talked about putting a light up there possibly that might help but again we can't have a light every block down 54 but something to be concerned about um uh the median is often filled with vehicles where you'll see uh the u-turns and attempting to go into Huron Cove which is a condo complex townhome complex across from us as well as our neighborhood um and then at any any amount of time during the day I appreciate Mr Glaser he said he was lives in Miami Florida if you live here in in Pasco County and Lando Lakes our busy times are not one to three they're just our busy times are seven to ten eleven to one and four to seven for our particular community that we're discussing today um so right here as you can see right here the lines showing the traffic there is eight different ways a car again we would be coming out we are the Blue Line we'd be coming out uh to make a left-hand turn onto 54. uh we can also go into our community by the Orange Line those are our two main lines Heron Cove is just uh south of us that's the purple line they can go left and they can go right and then we've got

folks going westbound on 54. um they can go they can go left or they do a U-turn so in that median at any given point in time uh you'll see here on the next slide uh there's there's multiple cars at all times um and this is an older version but there is a community complex here that also went in about two years ago that you'll see here shortly uh this is from a dash cam from one of our dash cams this is when we go to make a left-hand turn that's the camp Indian Head Crossing uh stores and there's multiple businesses in there currently right now the daycare would be going on the other side of that um this is a slow day actually there's someone coming from number three from Heron Cove to make a left onto 54. that person number two is making a U-turn and number one is trying to get on the camp Indian head at any given point in time usually around rush hour traffic you'll see about nine cars and four are in the middle right there so and that's just from me coming and going with our little ones school and stuff like that so just wanted to point that out to you and um that's what I go thank you thank you thank you Heather Willis hi um Heather Willis Camp Indian Head Road 2107 Landa Lakes Florida 34639 I'm going to speak to you have been sworn yes I have been sworn thank you um I'm going to speak to the fact that uh we have no dedicated slow down Lanes um where they proposed this daycare to be built um to turn on the Catfish Lake you're coming from the east or the West there's I'm sorry from the East there is no slow down Lane to turn onto catfish and there would be I assume they would have a slow down Lane for turning into the daycare also when you get around to Camp Indian head there is no slow down Lane there we have 65 000 cars that come down this road on a daily basis um sorry I'm nervous I'm not a speaker uh slowing traffic behind the vehicles and also risking rear end collisions this turn comes before the proposed front entrance to the plaza which means that people may likely opt to use the back entrance um this turn is also frequently used by the residents and um the patrons of Pep Boys and AutoZone AutoZone also test drives its cars on this back road constantly um which is a lot of traffic and makes it dangerous for us also walking um in regards to there being lines as she stated there's different times where one to three is not the busy time the busy times can be six in the morning I'm sorry 6 30 in the morning till 9 30 and then anywhere from

11 to 2. um and then of course from fourth to 6 30 you still cannot get out um And in regards to this the other day I was coming out of Camp Indian head and there were eight vehicles in this turning area just trying to go different directions whether it's making a U-turn or going straight or um trying to turn left to go north or I'm sorry East or West it just crowds up the area it's become very dangerous as a matter of fact I was leaving today and there was a car accident right there as I was leaving um sorry one second thank you um the fdot we did try to research that and look up some information in regards to fdot crash there are no statistics at this time because they're updating the systems um but it shows that we had an F rating um and the map shows consistency and collisions along the 54 vicinity where this proposed commercial development is thank you Jacob luchenko followed by Patty yovino hi Jacob luchenko um Two Three or two three one nine Reserve Court Atlanta Lakes three four six three nine um thank you for your time um here's a picture of the recent fatality or accident that was fatal um that was on October 12th I think that was in the newspaper so you know um this there's close calls like this constantly um it took me five minutes to make a right turn to come here today it's a little ridiculous uh discussion points against uh uh rezoning application um sr54 has a grade of f as was just said the incorporation of the plan 5441 intersection project will increase speed and traffic flow making it even more difficult to come in and out of the neighborhood that'll be a problem um the the intersection we've seen concerns me my wife goes out there in the mornings when it's dark and she makes her left-hand turn if anybody coming from east or west is not have headlights on someone's going to get hurt because you can't see there's no there's no light there's there's no traffic signals but again you can't put them you know every block so we just wanted to point out that if if this moves forward we just ask that due diligence is done in in making sure that everybody's safe I mean I've got kids growing up we're going to start driving at some point in their life everybody's been through this we just want the safest thing for our kids this isn't safe for half the people that are

driving out there um uh proposal will close off the median at 54 and Camp Indian Head will create an even greater danger forcing every one anyone exiting the neighborhood to make a unsafe U-turn to Head East on 54. that's a problem like I said it took me five minutes I have a video too so I know I'm under oath but I have video showing that it took five minutes to take a right turn the traffic has gotten increasingly heavy as of late and it it's a little troubling there's a lot of people out there but that is it for me and I'm gonna give my time back to you guys so thank you thank you thank you Patty yovino good afternoon my name is Patricia yovino and I live at 2223 Camp Indian Head Road Orlando Lakes and I've been living at that address for 34 years and I was sworn in um last week I emailed a letter to you and uh stating my concerns about the rezoning and in my letter I mentioned that my family and probably most of the people in this neighborhood moved there because of the peaceful quiet and natural setting it's a special place I went to the camp a couple times my neighbors have addressed a multitude of traffic and safety concerns which definitely will be compounded with this commercial project in addition the potential townhome project on the corner of Camp Indian Head Road and Catfish Lake Road would even further exacerbate the traffic concerns noise construction traffic and other impacts to our Lake to our neighborhood improvements to Catfish Lake Road are needed sidewalks and Road Whiting are needed this is a small neighborhood and as you have heard residents walk ride bikes and walk pets on the road we have elderly residents and small children with commercial development this road will be even more hazardous and needs to be improved just an example I was walking yesterday and a car came speeding very fast toward me in the middle of the road fortunately I was paying attention but a sidewalk would eliminate a situation like that as has been stated we are open to responsible development and welcome eg3 development and economic growth they bring I am concerned about the mention of a restaurant because that would have bring in a great deal more traffic and I was only aware of the daycare so it would be nice to know what is going to go there um our main concern is the community safety the safety of the children who'll be attending Kiddie Academy and all of those who drive in and out of our neighborhood we are also concerned about the preservation of our residential neighborhood atmosphere about reducing the impact to the natural environment as much as possible buffers and barriers with landscaping and or walls are needed to help reduce traffic noise and visibility from State Road 54.

in closing as a community we're asking what what are our next steps how can we achieve these improvements and mitigations what steps can be taken to hold the Florida Department of Transportation Swift mode the developer and the county accountable for these needed improvements so as Veronica and everyone have said we didn't come here to demand a stop to the rezoning but we are very concerned about the things that have been addressed and the safety concerns and the preservation of our neighborhood environment so thank you very much for your time today thank you for sure that is all that I have who has signed up to speak on 107 and I do not have anyone on WebEx for p107 okay um I don't know if we should have maybe bread there's a gentleman that might vote for her yeah anywhere else in the public would still like to speak didn't sign up thank you now if you keep moving it yeah I couldn't sorry couldn't read your room for the last 18 years and the level of the corner or camping their head on 54 with a multiple use sir sir have you been sworn environment and so forth they elevate the ground or three four feet over the road all that ran off that's what it comes to my yard and that's only one small commercial development and then the second thing is you might not hear all these now but every square mile that we paid in Florida is one square mile list that that quicker is going to replenish and sales is another uncommon that the peak hours of traffic a red light at Lowe's backside of the way to the entrance or camping your head we cannot even make a turn because it's a parking lot thank you very much and said sir sir sir sir we need your name address and have you been sworn I need your name your address and have you been sworn sorry I'm very happy can you say your name for the record my name is 2101 camping on her Road three four six three nine Florida and were you sworn in with everybody else did you earlier did you raise your right hand and swear in I swear very good I think that's a yes you're not gonna see he's making our life very miserable you know there is so many rules regulations and if and what and uh fine print that the average person of my age is sent to wisdom we would live instead of living in this atmosphere thank you okay is there anyone on WebEx one more coming okay

that's okay my name is Corinne Weiss 1718 hammocks Avenue uh 33549 and yes I was sworn in I live in lakes at Heron Cove which is directly across the street from Indian head so every day I face that intersection that the ladies from the Indian Head were graciously enough to provide slides to show you it is a major traffic issue and we again our community is not against a daycare center being a cross we're not really against the rezoning but we really need to address the traffic situation it is extremely dangerous it's hard for us to get in and out of our complex even making a right-hand turn and while there are traffic lights at Lowe's which which is about half a mile from us and Collier Parkway there's nothing in between so what we are requesting is please look at adding a traffic light at that intersection across Indian head and Heron Cove because it will help to slow down the traffic I don't know why people think it's a Speedway but they do you come around that bend and it looks just like a race track and so they think oh I can go 60 70 miles per hour so yes on a daily basis and I just passed a very bad accident at the lows traffic light just a few you know right down from my intersection so I had not seen the second proposal from the developer I was very concerned about fast food restaurants going in I don't think that's a very good idea behind there a restaurant possibly but you know we're right down from the mall we have a million restaurants now in our area so again I think if we could just take a look at adding a traffic light that might suffice thank you for your time thank you anyone else from the audience seeing none anybody else on WebEx no one's on WebEx for this item okay tell us back to the board um Brad would you like to address some of those topics I think I think I think it'd be good if you've kind of went over the things that the people have brought up uh yeah well well mainly I just need to again reiterate that this is a rezoning um that what was shown was a concept plan there is no commitment to that plan that plan has not been approved the types of uses on this site are not at all restricted anything in C2 could be used on the site if it is able to be designed and meet the approval process based on the Land Development code I very much appreciate all the The Neighbors coming in I hope the applicant listen to them and we'll incorporate some of those ideas and Concepts into their design when they do submit It ultimately for approval if this is rezoned um but this particular hearing those types of engineering scale questions we cannot answer we do not have a design we don't have anything like that just being a rezoni this is not an impud or a conditional use or a special exception or anything like that where you're approving a specific plan or a specific

use so I I don't know that I can answer too many questions in that regard okay so as far as like when they when they talk about sidewalks when they talk about access when they talk about the trips um the entry that fires right in right out that's all going to go through the process through your development through when they if this is rezoned to C2 and they do come in uh with the site plan they'll need to meet Land Development code requirements for all of those items and we have codes designed to protect all those things yes you really don't take any public comment when that's coming forward I'm not sure I think that uh a lot of what was discussed with safety related issues right uh related to the area and our County engineer has been very good about identifying those so if those come up during the review process uh she'll make sure that we address them Brad are you still doing site plan notification I'm sorry are you still doing site plan notifications within 30 days of the final approval of the site plan notification is sent out to the neighbors uh so they would get that notice and they could come and look at the plans to see what the proposed design is and the problem is if it's consistent with code if you're required to approve it required to approve it yes okay so if the board has the board is very concerned with the use or some of these other things the only in a euclidean category the only way to address it would be to continue the matter and have the developer come back with it with a developer development agreement if you wanted to limit uses if you wanted to limit access points that sort of thing that but in but as I started and Brad finished up for me um you know a straight C2 can be anything from a Chick-fil-A to um you know any High uh High generation retail it you're not if you approve this today at C2 you're not guaranteed that this will be a daycare before well is there any way to know before we make a decision on this the quality and shape of catfish Road or what I mean why don't we bring the condition of of that road the number estimated number of trips that what the applicant is saying come on uh he wants that's going to add to this road I mean looking at it Google earthing it looks like people are using potentially uses a bypass uh the more Eastern entrance looks a lot safer than the westward entrance which you got to have your head on a swivel looking like you're coming in and out of there um so the traffic volume I I am concerned with that depending on what they're wanting I think the people have brought up a lot of good points are

bringing up a lot of good points there I think the applicant knows we want to try to help him out as far as coming in but we need to protect what's out there as well uh I think if you're willing to work with us at the attorney's suggestions we could probably make it go that way does anything that you heard overly objectionable uh no and I actually want to just clarify a few things that the community brought up our intent safety is our number one concern we're going to have children on site so we we don't want to create an unsafe environment I did misspeak it will be 180 kids uh of capacity and I apologize for that uh just a quick stat 30 of these kids are dual children home so there's not going to be 360 cars or trips a day uh people carpool teachers carpool things like that another clarification when I've said the peak hours are one to three I meant of the daycare I don't know what the peak hours of the community are we will be required to do a traffic study from dot regarding State Road 54. another reason to keep in mind is not all cars will exit onto Catfish Lake Road we do have a proposed right out onto State Road 54 so it's not going to be flooding Catfish Lake Road um and I do believe that a one-way exit off the back would actually clog up more traffic and create more issues and more safety concerns and as you all mentioned when we do come in for the site plan approval we will have to comply with DOT Environmental Protection Agency South Florida storm Water Management District and any other regulations you all put in place which we're willing to comply our job our goal is not to create a burden for the residents of the community we want to bring a use that complements the community all the growth in the community not another Chick-fil-A not a gas station not a car wash we want to bring a a real use that would benefit everyone here and we're happy to meet with the neighbors and work with the neighbors to address all their concerns I've heard concerns about lighting obviously if we build something we will have lighting out there which should lighten up the area I've heard requests for sidewalks and and Road improvements we submitted a substandard road review application to the county which was reviewed and does require us to do some improvements to Fish Lake Road which we are willing to do generally sidewalks and roads are a county issue but we're happy to work to uh to improve those as needed and really as I said we're not we're not trying to make anybody's life more difficult here I've heard everyone say they are pro-development we're hopeful that the use that we're providing is uh something that will benefit everybody here and we're willing to work with everybody to make it a safe environment my um Mr Starkey um I just wanted to mention uh Landscaping was brought up um any time you have a commercial against Residential there's their buffer requirements so those would all kick in we already have a dark sky lighting ordinance so any lighting has to go down

and can't spill onto your property um that is a state road I don't I don't know what the story would be with a a light there but I'm sure our staff will look at it I'm I think a daycare is a great use here my my only fear is and I I hear you saying it but I sure don't I I worry about fast food that's the only thing I worry about coming in there because it just generates so much traffic I understood and and to your Landscaping point if you look and I can provide evidence of all the other sites we've built it will be flush with Landscaping uh we're going to be bringing trees Hedges all types of uh Landscaping that will Lively up the area also in terms of uh blocking views the daycare is a lot like a medical office building with a pitch shingled roof so it'll block a lot of the noise and visibility from State Road 54 to Catfish Lake Road it'll be you know pitched up high it'll uh you won't be able to see the restaurant in front of it or a lot of the cars passing along 54 anymore um so again we're happy to work with the county and and the city to address any major concerns and and see this through any other any other thoughts there's not a school bus stop on that road is there no and this is not a school this is a daycare are you going to be having kids transported there from schools at all you have to drop your you have to uh Park and physically walk your child in check them in and leave there's no train uh there's no buses or group Transportation unless they carpool with another child and also the road the new proposed road is actually 357 feet away from Indian Head uh Road okay question for you and we again with the zoning Etc we can't bind you far but I will absolutely attorney to speak to the suggestion that earlier that he made uh just for the residents of the for the back road um are you willing to put like a 10 foot wide path along your property line uh but you pass them in like a sidewalk sidewalk yes yeah all right so Mr County attorney would you make that recommendation for us as far as well yes so I think you're with a lot of concerns here and I think he's willing to meet him and and we can't control what our regulations are and we can't obviously go through them all now but uh if they've got a notice to looking at a site plan you've got a chance to incorporate all that I think there's a win-win here but well so the like I like I said in my conversation with Brad the the site plan notice is is they're going to get notice of what the applicant is proposing if they don't like what the applicant is proposing at that point it's too late to do anything about it if the board has concerns about uses that go on this site and they want to limit those uses the the recommendation like in many

other euclidean zoning categories would be to require a deed restriction that says what the applicant can do with his property um in other words limiting the number of C2 uses that could be that could be put on this property or to do a development agreement that would do that same that same sort of thing the deed restriction is generally the less expensive way of doing it and less onerous way of doing it it's usually faster cheaper right um 95 of the ones we do or need restrictions yeah hence but that would require this item to be continued to your January 24th meeting are you okay if we continue to give you a chance to incorporate all that my preference would be not to but if it's enough if it's a must then if you if we go with it to a vote there's a risk for you if you just continue it I think you get to the support to uh let you give a chance to get the residents and because there are a lot of concerns that they need to get looked at I think they're all doable and I think you're seemed like a smart man that's that wants to help with the compassionate guy so I think if I were you I would let us continue it give you a chance to take all this concern to play work with your own team to put it together and and let it let us you know we hear it back in January sure yes okay so you're okay with the continuance yeah yeah I'll move approval for continuance to January move for continuance to January 24th uh 2023 at 1 30 or student thereafter can I can I just clarify something the continuance is for the rezone or this is for deed restrictions it's for the rezone so you're not basically you're not getting the rezone until the property is restricted to uses that are more palatable or or that what basically the question is basically what you've committed to I don't think the use was the issue here from if I'm if I'm mistaken it was more of a safety issue which is the site plan I wish like a fast is the issue the board has made it very clear that they don't want to see fast food restaurants there oh V2 zoning would allow if there's no need restriction I don't think anybody's saying they have a concern with the daycare on the site but CTU zoning allows far more than daycares that's the unless there's a deed restriction you could put Chick-fil-A there that's the issue this this way here you can yeah but I understand sure we'll we'll agree to a Continuum yeah okay so can I just get clarification from the board the the youth part Liam and I can easily figure out how to draft that were there anything else that you heard today that you want to see restricted on this site are you

comfortable relying on the land of Alma code for everything else um I think if we make sure we put that 10 foot wide path along that back road so you want to see a sidewalk on catfish catfish yes I'm not sure the applicant is corrected they are required to bring that roadway up the standard but our substandard road criteria do not require the construction of a sidewalk so that would have to be an additional requirement I would want to see at least a sidewalk of six feet if it can be 10 great and frankly I wouldn't mind even giving a credit for some of the impact fees to help offset the cost for that if it's not here but can't cat I don't know what catfish road is but I would doubt it based on the condition it's in I would doubt it would be creditable okay probably not and we'd have to check the right-of-way too because I don't know how much right away we have for catfish all right so I looked I'd look to see what can fit and and see what we can get for a some type of at least a six foot wide path on the back yeah any other things you want to incorporate the code's pretty good from there it's a good start okay all right so I have a motion to continue January 24th yes the District Two another second all in favor say aye aye aye okay thank you very much commissioner Starkey if you if you allow me to to answer her question before I didn't get to jump in here you were asking about if there was any Trails planned along State Road 54 there isn't currently any Trails planned along State Route 54 in this area but I can tell you I did reach out to Tina Russo who did say that they are planning on looking on that whole Corridor um for a complete Street design and and future safe safety improvements as well good because and you heard the residents there they don't have that opportunity right now yep okay thank you moving to item p109 do we have proof yes Mr chair p109 was published in Tampa Bay Times on October 19 2022. everybody Tammy Snyder planning and development we have today Deer Springs mpud PDD 2376-12 here's your location map there's a blow up you can see the state road 56 extension Gall Boulevard is along the west there Cobblestone and PUD is approved it is a budding this project to the north police Buckman Highway and the City of Zephyr Hills are over on the east hmm and at the Planning Commission there was a question brought up regarding the location of the sr-56 extension and the first snip you have there shows the oh this is the sr56 and then the extension was proposed to go in this alignment it has since been revised and there are three potential alignments none of which are currently taking it

through the subject site anymore here's a subject site and we have extension going up and down and across but none of them are taking it through this side anymore zoning request from AC Agricultural and AR agricultural residential zoning districts to an mpud master plan unit development District to allow for the development of either a maximum of 115 residential detached dwelling units or a maximum of 100 residential detached dwelling units and up to five acres of office uses total Site Area is approximately 38.29 Acres the applicant is also seeking the following variations from the code section 901.1 H special design requirements for subdivision collectors which require public type 1A and type 1B roadways the applicant wants the internal roadways to be private Section 901.6.3.11 Street access to adjoining property requires interconnects between projects there's currently an East s East West right-of-way by secting the project which was the former state road 56 extension they're going to be keeping that and they're actually adding some additional right-of-way to it um there's no potential connection to the north there are platted not lots to the Northeast and southwest and a rural dirt road to the South which may possibly have an emergency only connection the PDD has reviewed the request of variations and is amenable to allowing both for the reasons stated and as further detailed in your agenda memo here's the master plan you'll see I added a North Arrow because North is actually to the left the subject side is in the East Market area and is being used for agricultural Pursuits no increase in density from the existing res-3 future land use as proposed any office uses may not occupy more than five acres of the mpud and must be consistent with the res-3 floor area ratio of 0.27 for the actual acreage committed for office uses the Planning Commission heard the item at the November 3rd 2022 hearing and unanimously voted to recommend approval with conditions with a provision that the residential design standards were revised to mirror the standards approved in the Cobblestone mpud which I mentioned is approved to the north LDC section for a 2.2 Point C point eight specifies that variations from the code may be reviewed and approved by the PC and BCC during the public hearing held on any mpud zoning Amendment and the BCC finds it meets or exceeds the intent of the code the PDD has reviewed the request of variations and defined if they meet the intent the proposed request is consistent with the Pasco County LDC chapter 400 subsection 402.2 zoning Amendment and PUD master plan unit development and with the applicable provisions of the Pasco County comprehensive plan and with that PDD and the PC recommend approval with conditions and just to note the applicant did agree to revising their design standards for their residential portion to match cobblestone

questions yes Mr shark um and this kind of goes back to the last board meeting when I was trying to understand the connectivity and it's not really apparent hear what the big road picture grid is so and I'm kind of a little confused on what you were saying because you're saying it's not connecting to anything around it is that what I heard you saying no actually what we have is um Crystal Springs runs north and south along it right here runs up next to Cobblestone and Beauty as well where's the Cobblestone so that Cobblestone is this up here okay and how many homes are in there um yeah a bunch a few hundred and where are there where are their ins and outs if you don't mind showing me um they have some on 301 on 301 and Crystal Springs I'm trying to see it on your map it's not a not able to see Clear Springs that's when we turn to go to Chauncey okay I guess my question is why aren't these connect why why is there not connectivity to the neighborhoods around it there there is okay where because I'm sorry I just don't see it let's see here here we go okay they will be connecting to Crystal Springs up here in the northern part this the road that runs through the middle that used to be sr56 when something connects to it there will be connectivity there as well so are you saying where that um we're that right away that's going to be a road there there eventually that that will be a roadway okay and they're reserving that right-of-way plus they're adding to it to make it a full 50 feet okay and can Cobblestone access that road anyone in Cobblestone they cannot connect they can through Crystal Springs if if they exit Cobblestone go down to Crystal go Crystal Springs South there's nowhere for this project to connect to Cobblestone directly because Cobblestone is platted it has planted residential lots and a great big storm water Pond budding their southern boundary so there's nowhere for this project to connect directly north to Cobblestone I'm so just to say what I I said last time and I I'm going to Bang a Gong here I just think we should be connecting if we don't have a grid you're going to be bottlenecked unfortunately that was lost with the Cobblestone approval yeah so just we need to be sure that going forward everybody's connecting and um you see you see what's happening on a lot of the roads around the county and if people have more opportunity to get on a road instead of everyone having to get on the same road to get to the next neighbor to the neighborhood or neighbor we're a lot better off so I just want to be sure there's multiple that we're not doing cul-de-sacs and there's stub out connections to the east to the West because that'll all be coming in at one time that right-of-way it runs right through the middle of it

where sr56 was going to be so east and west if this guy over here that owns this property develops as something other than what he has now he will be required to connect to that roadway so every everyone has to get out on the collectoral arterial they can't go through any other way to the neighbor to the property the restraints what's the constraint to the west of those green boxes there is no constraint that's why they have they're they're keeping that existing right-of-way but that is that going to be a collector arterial that road going through one of those two roads no no well it it's six may possibly eventually if if it's developed as such if the parcels around it but these are all residential well you know that property is going to come in to the left to be developed and I'm just saying we got to stop making these subdivisions where you go in and like I said when they come in they will have to connect to that that right-of-way so that would be the East-West Connector I just think there needs to be a stub out within that green box to the left and in the green box on the bottom not just to the one road to the that is between them there's let's see if I can get my and it doesn't show that here that's and maybe maybe this is too early I don't know is this the right place to act to make this is the right yes well that's how I look for it if they connect to the property they don't have to connect right now but they have to make preparations to connect to the property to the left sure so anyone who wants to go there doesn't have to come on like residential lots down here on the south west Corner as well so maybe around where the this state road 56 extension is depicted they could put a stub out I you know as long as there's one on each block I'm satisfied okay and maybe to the right I don't I don't know the area and I don't know how big those are those are those are residential lots there as well so their only option is their their Northern piece where they are going to be connecting to Crystal Springs okay the extension of pitch six which I hope happens that will go right through here I guess that's a green line I'm seeing is that's the proposed that's no longer proposed that's been realigned okay it's realigned yes but I'm hoping that it's realigned to where it goes through Crystal Springs on and through Chris Springs cross Russell Springs Road over to 39 and back around toward the airport and Zephyr Hills if it does that it'll correct a lot of flooding and drainage problems we have in that area and I'm been talking to secretary Gwen about just that so hopefully they choose

that route to go around and it'll make it better for the community out there what is the variance that you're requesting to not connect the um yeah the variation request which because of the Crystal Springs running North and South the platted Lots over there planted lots to the South and the south west they were not planning on making any connections to those yeah we could we could have them still there is some space to the West that they could add another connection and so I'm sorry that I don't this isn't a good enough map for me to understand where they're asking not to connect and I'm sorry I'm not following you but I want to know specifically what you're asking not to connect to maybe his applicants the north the north Cobblestone and PUD they cannot connect to the north because Cobblestone is already planted what's that what's that other piece of property there that's not developed probably to the right to the North and the right I think that's where she said the stormwater Pond is if that's next to the up here yeah in the Cobblestone if there's no possibility in the Cobblestone of beauty where you see the platted residential lot yeah empty space Oh come on now the empty space next to it is their Pond is there stormwater pond so this project cannot connect to the residential lots or the storm water yeah so we shouldn't have let them put the pond there in my opinion the applicant can okay let's hear from the applicant thank you Shelley Johnson 6400 Madison Street I have been sworn just just to try to provide a little clarification because I think there's confusion so to the north of this property is the existing Cobblestone development there's platted Lots where it butts adjacent to this property and there's storm water ponds so there's no place to connect to that Northern development to the east we have planted existing residential as well and then Crystal Springs Road to the West we do have a connection I know Tammy was referring to it as the reserved right-of-way for the what was to be the state road 56 extension which is completely in a different area now it's not anywhere near this property in terms of what fdot is looking at but that reservation to the East and the West are the two stub outs that's an actual step out so what will happen there's a condition in your approval that says that if that Western Property commissioner Starkey if you look at it on the left hand side of the Western Property to this development if that development ever comes in they have to work with our development and our development house and this is in the conditions we have to work with them in order to coordinate so that there's a connection between those two developments because right now the way the existing development pattern is around this property they're the only

place to connect to or step out to is the west and so that's what that and it's in the middle of the property and you know in the middle of the development but that stub out is there and it's reserved so you will see it on the plan all right so um are these residents going to have access to Springdale Road I'm sorry I don't know the area so there's Springdale Road there so we don't have any planned access to Springdale they may add an emergency access but that's a dirt road right now we're doing an actual our connections out to Crystal Springs and then we're going to approve Crystal Springs Road from the southern boundary of the of this development to the southern boundary of cobblestone which is north so we'll link into their Improvement that they're doing to that road so is Springdale um a big road ever going to be improved does anyone is there any kind of Road vision for this area that becoming I don't yeah I know it's a dirt road that's there's some there's fairly larger lights on it's rural type Lots no but it may not be yeah in five years so I just don't know why this just this property is just south of uh chaunchy Road there in Sanford Hills I just I just don't like how we're building all these neighborhoods that don't connect to anything and I think we're going to get ourselves in trouble like that's just where I am with it outside of that we're happy with um I mean the Planning Commission did recommend that we match our design standards with cobblestones and so and those revisions were made and we're fine with that um but I'm here to answer any other questions your your the storm water Pond sorry Mr chairman Mr waiting guys my apologies no thank you sir uh uh is it being shared by both projects that you have on this map no so Cobblestone actually is a developed platted um Community it actually it's an MPD an older MPD I think it was amended recently but um all of their infrastructure in stormwater would have already been designed so you know this that's all done now what would happen when we get to site engineering because obviously this site hasn't been engineered but when we get to site engineering whatever the staff requires and you know Swift one as far as storm water that's what we'll do now whether that's a shared Pond I don't know I don't know what their approval conditions were but that will yeah that's all stuff that definitely when it gets to the engineering stage at site plan we'll deal with all that thank you but I'm not aware of it right now so okay and I I can't find it on my map here sadly so um but I was going to pull up what you keep saying it's matching to Cobblestone I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing so um so I you know we have new

restrictions that say um you have to have so many architectural details if it's an older one Cobblestone may not have those we do have that requirement in here okay so what what do you matching to Cobblestone I don't know what oh what it came down to was a question about this the front setbacks at the Planning Commission so we've got is this is a standard 50 by 110 is our minimum they'll probably be 50 by 115 ultimately but um the front setback it identified in the original conditions that it was a 10 foot front setback I think from back a sidewalk it didn't really say that but so um the Planning Commission did a request that we do a revision and do 20 foot and then 25 foot to garage so we're going to be 20 foot from back a sidewalk and then 25 foot to garage so it just it increased the front set back okay I agree with that 100 So when you say back a sidewalk so it's from the edge of the sidewalk closest to the garage to the garage door is 20 feet 25 so yes yes because you'll have five you know so you've got you know how you have your your grass area you have your sidewalk then from 20 foot from the back of sidewalk to front of the building you'll have you'll have your 20 foot and then from that it'll it'll be an additional five foot to get to the garage so you have 25 foot to garage 20 foot yeah are you doing single car garages or double car garage these are double they're standard 50 by 110 foot Lots yeah no 40. that's a decent size yeah no 40s uh I'm going to ask a question Shelly the the limit of not more than five acres of um office space yeah any reason how did that come out like the staff requested um unfortunately I was not part of the original application process on this one but I think it came in that way okay Steph's telling me something different I don't but um it'll yeah it'll be in accordance with the 0.27 which is the existing land use so there's not going to be any what brought that in a residential three Res three okay that's good enough any residential land use a maximum of five acres in that future land use without adjusting the future land use may be done okay all right all right any other questions I just in in applications in the future I just want to see I'd like more detail on the neighborhood roads and the great the neighborhood grid that we're establishing I think it's important I agree 100 yeah so let's let's um go to public comments anyone from the public that signed up first we have one individual signed up Ken mucken fuse is that right that's right yes my name is uh Ken muckenfoose I'm 2207 Deer Lane 33540 I'm laughing at Ron here now finally you get one Ron the I've lived there since nine years since we made a big deal out of it you were so sworn this part for the record right uh 1988 I moved out there we helped

develop Festival Park all this area I know who everybody is that lives there the the corridors that they put out on 56. two of them are still active number one and number 3B 3B connects to that 40 foot right way that is in their drawing oh well this ago it's the the blue line before the property turns into the L part the part that's uh goes down to Springdale is a Pine Forest it was a planet of time uh Springdale is as they said it is substandard dirt road and they're definitely right you know the matter of fact the account the county only grades half of it they stop right where that Pine thing stops as far as the exit their only exit is going to be on uh Crystal Springs Road which has not seen any any Improvement since I've been there they've only cleaned the ditch one time there's also The Zephyr Hills Water from Crystal Springs it's itself uh goes down the west side and the new County water line goes down the east side of the road so you're not going to expand Crystal Springs Road can I ask you a question yes is it possible that the state road 56 extension would come down Springdale uh it could possibly but they're going to take a lot of houses there is uh 27 residents live that live on uh Springdale and Deer Lane that is a they don't call them dead ends no more they call them no exit or no Outlet there you go but you Springdale goes down turns to the left and turns into Deer Lane that's where I live the Deer Lane stops at Thomas's property which is Crystal Springs right behind me now is the development River Run to the yeah well I just remember when I looked at um you're taking up his time right I'm sorry oh is he that is he not the applicant no Oh I thought you were the owner okay sorry and Cobblestone is uh the old Rooks Dairy okay so I know Miss Starkey I know you'd you you can uh you can uh Rick uh you know look at that yeah and um there is no no connection between uh Deer Spring and uh Cobblestone and Mr uh Valentine owns the property where to the West Jeff no no he's been there longer than I have that's lawful of Wren Road all right you want a little more time sir let's let the up let's let Mr soltifuss talk and then we'll go from there good so continue what would you what you want to say I'm sorry sir continue on to what you want okay well the big thing is there that I think that well nobody really knows until the state decides where they're going to put 56 but they put in a

they can't they're they're wanting to put a hundred hundred and some houses there and now we're losing our fire department and EMS in Crystal Springs you know they're closing it down so now I'm sorry they're just moving it up to Chauncey road 95 of their calls are at yeah area around Johnson rather than Crystal Springs thank goodness yeah okay but the Crystal Springs Road is not going to be uh widen it at least I don't think they can anyhow uh but the there's not a there's not enough there's already too much saturation of new homes going there we sure don't need another 111. you know and the infrastructure where are they going to get the water where they're going to put the storm water storm water now runs down beside Crystal Springs Road I've seen it completely full the ditch going down to the bridge where uh the Hillsborough River Bridge and the water doesn't have anywhere to go except in the other in into you know people's property so I just I just think it's a not a smart move to put that many more houses in in an area that's already saturated okay I thank you very much all right thank you thank you thank you anyone else from the public would like to speak to item 109. anyone on WebEx for 109. no one on web Bing okay it's to the board um didn't you say that um they are going to improve Crystal Springs Road back up to Chauncey yes it'll be improved it's substance is going to be brought up to standard from the southern boundary all the way up to the boundary of the southern boundary of cobblestone so it'll make that connection on that section right yeah what type of road is that they're going to improve to or the substandard I don't know what that section shows but substance yeah they'll bring it to standard whatever County standard yeah it's a pretty bad road yeah yeah no no they're gonna definitely bring it to standard yeah well that's for the boards information 56 being extended through that area through Crystal Springs will help a lot of the water issues they have and when they expand of course that road do that work they're going to be looking at those water lines where they need to move them so I feel comfortable with that with that I'll approve the project okay I have a second I'll second it commissioner um when I look at town of Crystal Springs I see a grid pretty much a gridded road Network and I just I would ask the County Administrator that when we when we have projects that come can you just show us what's going on in the area

where are the schools just and I I just want to know the routes and I just want to make sure we're not making the mistakes that I feel we've made in the last 10 15 years well so you know and you do know this because when um when Robert Thomas property all comes in they've got new schools right there yeah and I recall when I that's what I was going to say when I and I didn't want to take it in his time I recall when we were looking at um two rivers that all the property on the north where this I think at that time most of the schools were on the North and I I think they may have changed that but there was there was no connection to any of the neighborhoods in the north and I have no idea if this anywhere near there and I just want to be sure that those all those residents that lived to the north of Two Rivers don't have to drive out get on a collector come down and get on State Road 56 to get this to the high school they should be able to come through their neighborhoods and not make this big roundabout that's where the school's going to be on 56. I can't tell I can't tell I have no idea where we are really you know where that is it's written down pitch 63. you don't have the two rivers playing but there is a north-south road that goes next to the school site and park site yeah but there's also there's also connect and I remember some of them were substandard um but we should be making those connections so everyone doesn't have to go to one road to get to school look at River Ridge High School it's not a good plan so I just think there should be multiple ways to go north and south you live in a neighborhood that has all kinds of connections and I think we did a better job with two rivers than you think there are there are some north-south connections to the north yes okay I just I can't I don't see them I don't know where they are in relation to this I'm just put it this way you did a better job in Two Rivers than you did with this one I just would I just wish that was a part of the applications I I think I asked that last time but just be helpful a good question any further discussion all in favor say aye aye any opposed okay passes item number 110 Mr chair on item P10 it was published in the Tampa Bay Times on November 2nd 2022 November 9th 2022 November 16 2022 and November 23 2022. thank you thank you afternoon Commissioners Christina Cordon assistant director for the parks recreation and natural resources department in front of you is a resolution adopting the uniform method of collection for the gulf Harbor's neighborhood park msbu the board approved ordinance 22-07 on February 22nd 2022 which established the gulf Harbor's neighborhood park msbu in conjunction with the msbu it is proposed that the uniform method of collection be used this proposed ordinance or this proposed

resolution is required per Florida statute and sets forth the need for the levy and includes a legal description and the boundaries of the real property subject to the levy it also serves as notice to the property owners that future real property tax bills will also contain assessments to be paid and in this morning's board meeting it was approved on consent the agreements between the board and the property appraiser and the board and the tax collector providing for reimbursement of the necessary administrative costs for the collection of the assessment um this is a map of the msbu boundary for Gulf Harbors and the parks recreation and natural resources department recommends that the board hold the public hearing except public comment and approve the resolution adopting the uniform method of collection authorizing the chairman to execute the resolution and direct board records for just to distribute okay Mr Starkey any questions oh man let's get this through that doing this last year so this is correct yeah it's on the tax also okay we're rocking and rolling there and happy to see this going through and I am allowed to vote on it because there are so many houses in Gulf Harbor you're allowed to vote on it because this is just putting it on the tax bill it's not it's not a special private gain or a losses okay any other questions for staff all right this is a public hearing anyone from the public I have two individuals signed up we have Ken dabs go ahead it's like please I have to be somewhere um that's it no there's one more Marie um last name I don't know how to pronounce it pants thank you and that's it for the signing up okay Gundy ABS 4617 Flora Mart Terrace Newport Richie 365 for the three four six five two been there 21 years can't remember my own ZIP uh have you been sworn I have been sworn he doesn't have to be sworn okay and I take exception what I just heard I just heard there's a legal description of this property this park there is not there is a legal description of a two pieces of property that e-lamp owns some of and the neighborhood park will be the rest of it but nobody can show me a survey saying what will be the park and what is elamp I've sat through these advisory committee meetings that we've been having commissioner Starkey was at one we asked about drainage her answer was well I don't know what's going on in Jack you know about the flooding in there okay that's not what I don't know what's going on I'll check with Sammy last we heard of that Keith was asked the same question Keith

Wiley at another committee meeting well I don't know kawika Bailey was asked at another meeting well I'm not public works I don't know so here we are we're going to be taxed on something we can't even figure out what it is that that we get to call the park so we're being taxed for piece of property we're not we don't even can't even figure out what it is we're going to be responsible for we can't use the thing you got a Cyclone Fence across the front of it Keith Wiley's told us we can't go on it you can't mow it corica Bailey said yeah he met with the mowing people they met they mowed part of it but because of the flooding in there and they can't even mow the whole thing but we borrowed 25 000 against next year's taxes to pay for the mowing on a county-owned piece of property that we can't even use are you people serious Marie hand hi I'm Marie hand I live at 4909 Glen Drive in Gulf Harbor and I've been there for almost 50 years but I'm only 28. anyway um I've never liked the whole situation with this gulf Harbor's things but I'm not going into it it's been going on for years but my concern today is about our representation in discussing the property which we owe six hundred thousand dollars on um the county paid too much for it they didn't do due diligence and I don't think in purchasing it but that's for another day but there's a group who's supposed to represent us I don't know who they are they never can give us any notice there is never a meeting in Gulf Harbors which would be nice it's always held out here at the county building and we you know unfortunately everything is all here say we're going to get taxed a hundred dollars a year then at seven percent on what we owe which would be about forty two thousand so we need Clarity here that's what I'm asking you for uh whoever this committee is was not chosen by us it was chosen by the county and I just feel like we should have better representation I'm not sure if we have 1200 or 1800 houses something like that in there so um we're going to be putting over a whole lot of money to give to the county to pay for this what they call Park I can't even call it that because there's no way I'm walking back there with the snakes but um thanks for hearing me and hopefully we can find out who this committee is and if they can represent us properly thank you there's someone here from the parks department correct oh two okay um so Commissioners I can let you know that the next golf Harbor's advisory meeting is on January 10th in this

boardroom um it is also the gulf Harbor's neighborhood Advisory Group has a website page and um kavika Bailey with which Mr Ken did reference is working with the civic association to ensure that that website that has information and minutes from the uh from the meetings is also posted on that neighborhood groups so they can get more information how often do they meet uh they meet um typically every two or three weeks twice a month and the Public's invited yes on the drainage um our engineering department is working on that drainage permit to pump on the east side where we had some work done before so that project is going through the property is wet which is why we want to have that that pump and the boundaries have not been set yet but they will be set eventually that's part of the task of the task force and board members 50 percent of this property was purchased by elamp and 50 of the property is being purchased by the community who voted in favor to purchase it it was a great deal uh and we're very excited to have a park because we don't have any place like that in our community it's been vacant for decade I don't know 10 15 years it's an old golf course so um so I know Barbara wanted to come and speak but I think she we went long today so she's not here but um the community is very excited about the park and it's going to take a little while to get all the amenities we want in there because we are self-funding it and we we miss the opportunity to put this MST on the tax bill last year because we had a we missed a date or something so we're one year behind in starting to collect the feast is it 300 a house 600 house so the advisory committee is still finalizing that estimate we will bring back we know we know what our purpose is if I may yeah the what is before you today is putting this on the tax rolls what is not on what is not before you today is what the assessment will be that will be a public hearing but we know we know how much we paid for it that will be a public hearing that will occur sometime in August September [Music] a portion of that 600 000 it's divided by x amount of houses so far less than what a park MS Park impact fee would be per house today far less I would make the motion to approve second and just a little further discussion um I would like to see the property descriptions of both Parcels I think that should have been done we bought it under relamp anyway if we use those funds already but I think it's a very reasonable quest to get that quickly um and the legal description that is referenced is the legal description of the msbu not of the problems no I understand just but for it's a it's a legit question I think we should get

that um and as far as the drainage out there let's go look for the solutions if a pump is the way it needs to be there's one there's one in the works okay but it's on the east side if a pipe works too to help then we should be looking at that too it's a pipe through an easement on the on the big gravity fed possibly or they look at that I don't I'm not an engineer so so they are studying that in Mexico because I I do want to see that get done as well okay very good we do too it's a wet park exactly we need to fix it we make it as good as we can so that people can use it as as done um I really don't think the residents as we're going through this process especially it's going to take much longer to have to well quickly get it done the better any other questions comments all right all in favor say aye aye aye any opposed okay thank you I can't vote on this one all right P11 do we have proof yes Mr chair item P11 was published in Tampa Times on November 2nd 2022. good afternoon Commissioners is called Public Works uh this is the agenda item for our Cedar pw230037 Vivas number 3510 there are seven streets are counter maintained and paved the total estimated cost for the project is approximately 1.34 million dollars um in terms of the maximum cost for eru that's 11 000 and 97.56 the discounted amount is 304 285 dollars and 37 cents the maximum costs per eru after the discount is eight thousand five hundred and seventy three dollars and 70 cents there are 123 possible votes um we got response from 60 um Property Owners um for the three of those were in favor of the project and that's about 72 percent and 17 were against the project and that's 28 percent um annual install into over 10-year period and the interest rate is at 3.25 percent um the location map foreign a couple photographs of the conditional Road staff is recommending the proof Mr striking well uh you can see our roads in pretty bad shape we we were we had uh Mike come in just before he left us and saved the road for a few more years with those squiggly things but um which everybody hates um and they uh the cul-de-sac at the end has fallen apart again but um this is our second time going through and you can see how supportive everybody was so I I hope you will vote in favor of this and um that we're not it's not too far in the distant future that this road can get fixed this might be a last one huh um in terms of this type of presentation well there's a there's a tax roll [Laughter] oh no we'll have other worker no

question all right um any any other question for Ansley all right public hearing anyone here from the public want to speak to this item I have two individuals signed up for item P11 we have Thomas Archibald and followed by Michael Cox Thomas Archbold 10900 ceteria Court Newport Richie 3.65. um why the the residents of the community did vote to go ahead with the road paving project I believe it was based on some information that may not have been accurate at several of the board meetings in our state of community prior to the vote the community president relayed certain conversations that he had with commissioner Starkey that if we went ahead with the road project we would not be under the old where the individual Community paid the assessment but we would be under the new where the county facted it into the whatever you call it I apologize the new program the MTS MST thank you um so I I think Mrs he also represented that mistarkis advised us to go ahead and file the application anyway so that we would be um further ahead in the pipeline of projects that would get done in the community um it seems to me that now we're going to be the have the distinction of being the last community that actually gets to pay for its own road project and it was and it was based on representations of no may never not been accurate thank you well that again okay and as commissioner Cox comes up here I want to apologize he did write down and sign in for the prior item at p100 I missed it thank you I'm easily overlooked let me tell you no we've been a problem with that um Michael cox10831 bancomb Court uh when when Abby and I decided to build a home we had certain requirements for that home number one it it had to have a roof on it number two it it had to have a uh an air conditioning it also had to have hot water and it had to be on a paved Road now 22 years later I've replaced the roof I've replaced the air conditioner and I've replaced the hot water heater twice it's time now to replace the road because the road is deplorable and it just needs to be replaced um the the pvas past overwhelmingly um we have been working with the county staff for a while to find a solution to some drainage issues that we have right we have some pretty significant problems and we believe that the fix is going to be a combination of help from the county the HOA and individual homeowners and and I am the HOA president and I will tell you that the previous gentleman his concerns is I'm not exactly sure what his concerns is but I put out in writing to the community that we wanted the communities to support it because the roads need to be paved but we were hoping to be able

to fall under the new mstu if it works out that way but the bottom line is the roads need to be paved and for what I heard from PE 100 today it sounds like we will be falling under that new mstu and so that's my my other item is I would like to ask that you know our knows to proceed be issued after the mstu goes into a place and to commissioner Oakley's question earlier comments earlier we're okay with waiting until that happens so um the roads need to be paved and I would ask that you support the pbas appreciate it thank you it's never a good place to be between you and the the end of your agenda so I apologize I just want to correct the record for can never predict um but people know it's been in the paper that were talked we have been in talks to change the pvas to the msdu so what what we discussed um and Ainsley was there and we discussed that with the group is that if you know we're hoping that we switch to the mstu and that that we don't know where aristide is going to fall in from the old P bass or to the new mstu and um but if we were in the old system of pvas we wouldn't be double charged so so um but if we so that I I can't guarantee to anybody what the future is so I think I was misrepresented but I just wanted to let that was clearly communicated at HOA meetings in writing at the annual meeting it was clearly communicated yeah so I mean I'm not even sure I still don't 100 where we're going to be but um but uh thank you very much is there a motion uh you can make in a moment let me just out of the discussion too we've talked about this for a long time uh about doing it this way and there's nothing that hasn't been said openly as far as this may fall into if it comes into the new assessment I mean the new MSG was well so uh I don't don't feel anything like the microphones and tapes are out there that to show what we've done even up here at the meeting so I wouldn't worry about that part yeah but yeah if you want to make a motion I I don't think I can okay Mr I'll make the motion I'll support motion um for clarity go ahead thank you um so folks who are currently in the pvos and they're paying their 3.25 interest rate when we set the going forward next public hearing if we set a rate from my understanding folks will be paying off their current pvas amount and they'll receive an mstu on their tax roll it's it's going to be decided or are they like for example this project passes to pivas goes through well will the folks in this community be paying the 3.25 and they'll will they also be being hit with the mstu on top commission if I if

I can weigh in on that just for clarity yeah for clarity's sake the the board direction for coming back in March is to come back with a plan on how we unwind pvas and the intent of that is to make sure that folks aren't double charged so how do we retire the pvas debt and and transfer over to the mstu so we're still working those details out but that is the intention Branford I don't know if you have any more details to add there and this board's going to make that decision this board's going to listen to the public before we make that decision so all the input for all the things whether it be dirt roads drainage or just timing of a previous assessment all of it's going to get factored in the wheel as a board make the decision how we will go forward with it okay my concern was just folks who are currently in the old system and we transition to a new way are are hit twice anyway so I've moved you made the motion we'll get a second any further discussion all in favor say aye aye any opposed okay motion passes and that's all I have for these and hopefully that's the last one of those public hearing agenda however yeah we have the consent agenda items we've pulled oh Lord I got an orange felt Trail meeting at okay let's go all right so first item c24 8 that's mine thank you so I pulled c24 from Tampa Bay Regional planning Council our dues are 186 thousand 285 dollars uh that's a ten thousand plus dollar increase from last year to this year and so my reason for pulling it is we're paying 186 000 a year I'd like to have the Tampa Bay Regional planning Council uh come make a visit to this board annually biannually and give us give us updates on what they're doing and they're they're going to be coming to us very shortly maybe the next meeting over here coming forward I was just going to talk about what they've done for us et cetera as well as the upcoming resiliency Summit so he will be coming forward to do that and I think he's got some pretty good things to talk about yeah and with that I move approval on the item second second now I'm under discussion just so you know that's based on population that's why it's a formula I don't remember what the multiplier is but it is 23 cents yeah it's a formula yeah okay all in favor say aye aye aye any opposed okay gonna go to c34 Andrew Baxter good morning board or good it's usually morning when I talk to you sorry this is the first it normally wouldn't be a good late afternoon to y'all uh Andrew Baxter Facilities Management director uh this uh is we neglected to attach exhibit a to this agenda item it has now been attached and distributed and with that we used to accept that improve c34 moved to approved c34 for the second second all in favor say aye aye any opposed thank you thank you uh Brent Wall c-43

good afternoon uh Brent Wall Fleet Management director uh the original item uh showed a previous spend authorization increase of fifty thousand dollars uh in FY 22 instead of FY 23 uh the follow-on document corrects that change with no adjustment needed to the overall life of the contract Mr approved second 43 the motion second all in favor say aye aye aye any opposed thank you c59 Madam clerk that's me um we do not receive the original document on this item until today so I ask that you approve it contingent upon clerk review okay do we have a motion I'll make that motion second all in favor say aye aye aye any opposed thank you thank you and c61 I'm going to just make a statement of this but I will support it we've talked about Ridge Road in the past eventually getting out 275 I love the way this overpass road is going to uh work its way out as well so part of this agreement I'll have Carl from The mpo bring it up at the mpo but I just want to highlight that so I'm very happy with this and I want to like to see it go forward so entertain a motion um okay but I have a question so um does this go up past the school complex because I drove that road the other day and they did not put in their multi-use path in front of the school or the college campus so hopefully as we're widening this you know they're put on notice that they got to build their part too which I talked to Mr Gad about and he said just let them know but they didn't put in their part because they said there was nothing to connect it to at the time but that'll make a most improved 61. okay have a motion second have a second all in favor say aye aye aye any opposed and c62 Margaret Smith Margaret you've changed good afternoon uh I'm Panos conses assistant Engineering Services director uh this item was pulled the revised because uh to correct the contract amount in the change order agreement so we circulated the new uh change order move to approve c62 second all in favor say aye aye aye any opposed thank you and c69 venkat there he is event cardboard Equity traffic operations manager with Engineering Services Department this Academy is called to uh for stream and Sarah to add the three-year contract for 5 million a year for 15 million with the transfer traffic control products to build the signals as needed basis okay Timely yeah hopefully they have supplies in hand that's been a problem move to approve C6 69. Motion in a second all in favor say aye aye aye and then cat maybe that Catfish Lane project we just looked

at might be wanting to go take a look at it's the fdot fdot okay thank you all right thank you Indian Lakes yeah and c79 commissioner waiting thank you Mr chair c79 so doing a little research on this particular item I just wanted to highlight this we learned that there's a million dollars that's been allocated uh from cdbg funds for sidewalks for a school system so that was a Hot Topic over the last year and I think commissioner Bradford uh be excited to support that I know we have some sidewalk funding out there but just wanted to Mr Crumley isn't here but I was excited to see that and I think you'll be excited where where it's going Mr chairman I see Marcy's here I'm very excited to see this project with that uh move approval on this item okay all in favor say aye aye aye any opposed Margaret I'm going to be bringing up something all right last one Mercy come on up c80 if you want I don't want that better I think I'm used to being last and least you're definitely but not leastberg director of Community Development so item uh 80 uh we neglected to put two attachments into the agenda memo so we're asking uh the chairman Mariano to sign two documents for this item and that would be the revitalization form as well as the um local government preference form just to have a second all in favor say aye aye and I do love that project too thank you thank you great stuff okay so that's all we have for the consent agenda uh now we go committee reports so some strokely um that was just one thing I I've been watching because of the ice rink over in res being built or it has been built over in a residential area I was of the understanding that the gentleman had not received his traffic studied or what he had to do to be able to open up and in fact he's he or his consultant has been notified within the last two years and knows what he needs to do but hasn't started that process so I'm looking forward to that being open when it is but he's got to do things to finish it for his traffic in that area so thank you sir okay that's all I have okay Mr Wakeman thank you uh I would like three appointments today [Music] um pH uh Paul fenora from Planning Commission for right now Mr Peter Hansel and for the status on the commission women Miss Jenny Yingling and I'd like to thank everybody's staff and the new board for welcoming us over the last two weeks and a great ceremony in Dade City and more welcome and excited to be here

you see I'm playing commit you're talking about the Planning Commission or are you talking about vop8 there's three Paul for the vfpa it's different than our planning yeah Peter hands is currently serving on the Planning Commission oh yes to the commission on the status of women um okay so thank you all and then I'd be remiss oh second that motion do we have motion a second yeah motion a second all in favor say aye aye aye okay thank you and then also like uh to join Mr karbala and Mr steinsider and singing Happy Birthday to commissioner Bradford oh Lord I'm not singing I'm going to spare I can't wait for this we'll table that you can have it I want to hear this actually I have one item I forget okay I left out one item and it's very very important to me and I know it's important to this board it is great to sit here as part of Pasco County and and a part of the Pasco County Board serving with staff that like we have that make up many many teams that go out and represent this County and do it so very very well that they're recognized all over because of their good doings and I just want to say thank you to all our staff for for all they do and in that so it's just it means a lot when you've got staff that goes out and does the work they do that represents our County which we all very much love so I just want to make that statement awesome okay thank you I'm sorry Mr no worries hello the sidewalk project the schools that are being receiving those funds for sidewalks or Hudson and 5A all right so good news there yeah excellent okay commissioner Bradford no you skipped me oh that's right sorry yeah I'm not used to this angle I had nothing to do with it I have some photos I think if you can put those up but um um while they're loading those up I wanted to share with you um that I was honored to be appointed to the Naco board of directors and um I just got the email here just a little while ago that I I had heard it was a rumor but it is infect you so um congratulations thank you I'm one of um three Commissioners in the state as long as we're a 100 percent State uh if someone drops out then we're two and one of us loses our position but um it does require a little bit of traveling there's four or five meetings a year but two of them are um one's already 10. the ledge conference and the annual conference so but we get a lot done and I'm excited about it I I wanted to go over these but it's too long a day so I'm not going to but I these are some of the policies that we're looking at at fact I'm going to get you some more but these are some very important proposals that we'll go over at the next meeting and then lastly if I could before you go further no that's not the

map I want but I I do want you I wrote you a letter of recommendation for the position oh you've done a great job with fact Naco you're very well respected there I mean doing a great job on it so I know you're a very productive member so thank you my husband thinks I'm nuts and um but you've got to learn to say no but I'll try it for a little bit so this is our standard Road um and along State Road 52 as the state has widened it we've added a multi-use path on the North side and um I was driving home from the Dade City meeting and got went down Prospect onto Clinton Avenue Extension is this the only map okay and I just was really just made to see um that we did not continue the multi-use trail the multi-use trail stops at curling we have a very popular important Trail going down 301 I call it the 301 Trail it I was there at the rim cutting years ago it connects Dade City to Zephyrhills and eventually to Hillsborough County and Polk County and that we did not continue this multi-use Trail from curly to 301 is a big Miss and I don't know how we fix it but I'd like to find a way to fix it but it's going to cost us money we're gonna have to work with the landowners to the north but this just brings to light that we're not all firing on the same cylinders we're not all on the same page that someone made a decision to stop it at curly and I've talked to Mr cabala and other people about it but that's a really expensive mistake mistakes so very disappointing thank you I'll I have a lot of stuff I'm going to do it next week we have the orange belt Trail public meeting uh at Starkey Cultural Center going on and I want to be there for the presentation commissioner Bradford I will be brief I will not be at the TMA meeting put another plugin I want to back up for one second commissioner Fitzpatrick was on the TMA we need to reappoint someone in her place to the TMA that's a Transportation Alliance do we call it something different commissioner Starkey that appointment should be made by the mpo oh okay we'll talk about the board all right thank you yeah however there was a meeting coming up Friday we can have anyone be a show up as an alternate yeah well I'm just saying there's City Representatives that could be on the TMA as well so and they're not here true but the meetings the meeting's coming up is on Friday if she can't be here and then the others want to participate which I'll I was going to talk about under my committee reports under my committee reports under my appointments anyway um it's it's worthy for anyone can go representing this Council anyway to to that Council so okay continue on with what you're going to say about the TMA well it's just very important we we meet with the

commissioner from Hillsboro and Pinellas and cities all in the circle with D.O.T and talk about Regional Transportation issues and as T Barta is changing and we'll talk about that also what the plan is for that it's just uh important important place to discuss and prioritize Regional Transportation projects that's where it's where three kids with three commissions from Hillsboro Pasco and Pinellas all go get together and talk about things and if we only have one or two and there's a vote it's happened we we have to call our way back up to get 54 and 41 on the regional list of importance so um it's really good if um we had more I think if you had a commissioner that was willing to attend from this group you could probably just get the mpu to ratify that that selection at the next NBA meeting but you would need one of these board members to and if you want more information we can have staff give it to you so you know what your commitment is are you doing a committee appointments today I'm not gonna do them today but those can be part of my questions I was going to ask about so I was going to get to that but before I before we go there I'll bring Carl up and we'll talk about it too not just yet but commissioner Bradford thank you Mr chairman I want to talk about the planning uh Pasco County Planning Commission first of all I'd like to uh thank Don Anderson for his service as you know a commissioner can appoint concurrent with their term uh I'd like to appoint Derek consulate as my choice for the Planning Commission Derek's going to know a wealth of knowledge and experience expanding two decades in finance lending Insurance Health Care real estate and will bring a fresh perspective to the commission these years of involvement with local charity and Civic organizations his Testament to his commitment to the success of Pasco County and I believe he will be a great asset and I would ask for your favorable support on that second great choice all in favor say aye aye is this the part where I ask about a one-time fix for Purdue street oh my gosh he's doing it already before we leave the Planning Commission appointment um there's a Planning Commission meeting this Thursday I'm not sure he's going to be prepared to so we make that effective for the net the following Planning Commission meeting well I was told yes okay to answer your question yes okay thank you I'd like to uh also thank everybody for uh feeling uh making me feel welcome uh there's a lot to learn especially Mike and Joanna if you've uh tolerating my incessant phone calls and and thank you for teaching me what akka is I thought that was pretty good that was all the accas I've tried to meet as many people as I can uh and I'm looking forward to it it's exciting and we will work hard as hard as we can every day to get up to speed

uh and I the only other thing I have is I really think we need to hire a doctor for the County Commission because I just spent 15 million dollars and that's the most money I ever spent in my life and have a heart on having chest pains a lot more than that today but I saw 15 million so you do have to count the zeros I'm just kidding I'm just kidding but anyway it was uh it was a very exciting time so let me ask for some money I only want 6 500 bucks so Purdue streets and unpaved dirt road a Moon Lake Estates the road is substandards publicly dedicated not County maintained and has been determined impassable by fire rescue I would like to make a motion for a one-time fix of Purdue street the estimated cost is sixty five hundred dollars you have a motion in a second is that a road we can legally it is he said it was publicly dedicated that those are the magic words for me quickly dedicated not County maintained okay and it's never ever before by us that I don't know was that it's a one-time fix this is worth fixing in my oh there's lots of these daily life we know in my in my daily life in servicing essential service Solid Waste typically if a fire fire truck or an EMS first upon a vehicle can't down there folks can't get garbage service and obviously we know we know we have cleanup events in in noon Lake and we do everything here to help keep it clean so knowing these roads like like I do and knowing that the cleanup efforts that are that are constantly going on there I I support this like if while the standard is called a one-time fix if a fire truck can't get down it you need to fix it yeah no no I just I just I mean there's I'm the new guy on the Block and she's going to give me a hard time I gotta watch the money all right let's go all right we have a motion a second all in favor say aye aye are you opposed thank you unanimously passed thank you sir thank you all right so we have oh you have okay um then Clerk ing away I'm like he looks like he's chomping all right Mr karbella actually I'll be brief in the interesting time here on October 11th the uh board executed derelict vessel Grant agreement for fifty six thousand dollars to remove uh two boats from Pasco County Waters due to Hurricane Ian and some delays with our vendor we need to extend that agreement um otherwise we risk losing the money um so I'm asking the board to authorize myself to execute that Amendment for a 30-day extension upon review and approval by the CIO have a motion second all in favor say aye aye any opposed well said anything else sir Madam clerk thank you quick question this was hand that was this from you do we want to include it in anything uh no I I'm gonna bring it up um you can either save it or um toss it and I'll give you another one next board

meeting because it's too long to start going into these then I'll leave it for you to bring it back yeah okay um and the uh the other thing I just wanted to say was um congratulations to commissioner Bradford and commissioner Weightman I'm very excited that you're on the board and I get to continue to work with you and I'm looking forward to that and I'm looking forward to continue working with the other board members I think we work very well together and I'm excited you're here so welcome and I'm sorry I missed your swearing-in I actually did watch it I know I'm one of those crazy people I watched it um I I very much enjoyed it I liked seeing your families up there it meant it I know it means a lot and to have be surrounded by your family and your friends in the audience but just know I was watching from afar but congratulations thank you okay Mr County attorney I don't have anything for you thank you okay all right I just have two things I want to talk about one is real quick um we talked about the Tampa way well once well this is pretty quick but it's important especially with commissioner waiting brought up above Tampa planning Regional Council uh they have also of the Estuary program and uh I am I attend it when I can when I can't Colleen Weaver my assistant attends it uh you heard me talk about baffle boxes a few times we talked about part two money trying to get it when we can the state pretty much controlled it and I'll say by our participation and working with it really closely the 10 Bay Estuary program and Regional planning Council put a joint application in for 9.5 million for baffle boxes nice which will help with a lot of water quality up and down the whole Coast so that's one good thing we're getting back from that by being that committee moving forward and being active with it um having said that the next thing I wanted to talk about really quickly is on Friday we do have the team May meeting a couple of things for our two new Commissioners is Moffett is very excited about trying to make that real line coming up to CSX very very critical and I think you know Angeline moffatt et cetera everything coming up in there is something that I think the resident commissioner should be pushing real hard I push forward as commissioner stock I'll tell you from get from the get-go we had Bob O'Malley from CSX give us a presentation show us all we could do they've all gone back from it but I think as a resident commissioner I think you should really go to that on another note we've got that Express Express rapid bus coming from Wesley Chapel running through which we're trying to do the bus Rapid Transit supported by uh all over Tampa Bay everybody maybe maybe things change in Hillsboro now with the new election um the other councilman um

from New Port Richey sits on there as well and I think YouTube guys would be a great addition to that and if you'd be willing to go for Friday I think it'd be a great move going forward yeah so I don't know I just want to get your thoughts on that as I have I don't make it the appointment for that the NPO makes that and you you have to ask her to go but knowing that this meeting is coming up Friday we don't have time for an npm meeting um if you guys think you'd go I wouldn't go and I where is it is it at D.O.T I'm not sure um commissioner Mariano um CSX came and made a presentation to T Barta and you can get that on YouTube and it's very interesting so I would recommend everyone go watch it okay we shall watch out anyway uh so do you think a general want to go if you don't answer now don't answer but I just I just want to throw it there okay just email me let me know just so if I know you're going or not either way I don't have to answer now on another note you know um excuse me commissioner Overman and I were co-chairs and neither one of us are going to be there Friday so Jared I don't know who that is so step in there Jeff oh believe me if it's I just don't want four of a showing either yeah so however maybe we'll get make sure it's covered um on my appointments um there's a list of knowledge like everybody's got a list if you put your priorities down put them one two three uh four or five however you want to do it and if you want to make a special note to me as far as why you like this one better why are you thinking best for that too I'll incorporate that too with my decision making I'll have those ready for the next meeting we have uh are there any points I have to make today that we know of okay we'll keep everything the same until the next meeting comes up then all right and that's all we have so we're adjourning Merry Christmas thank you well and congratulations [Music] foreign [Music]