11.15.2022 Pasco Board of County Commissioners Meeting (Afternoon Session)

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good afternoon welcome back to the afternoon session of the Border County Commissioner's meeting I want to remind you if you weren't here this morning that you need to know that you need to turn off your phones and your other equipment that might make noise and we will move on to the first first I don't accept that commissioner Moore you had a few checks from this morning that you didn't get to announce so I'm going to let you announce those now oh and move on Oh thanks thank you so much special day but they're not here now so um yeah commissioner commissioner not committed yeah well former commissioner Wells sorry property repayers are well left but I had two more that I wanted to give out in additional ones this morning so uh I do have one for Premier Health Capital which we all know Premier Healthcare they're trying to um grow here in um additional in the East Pasco so I have a 500 check for them and I had one another 500 check I gave to um Mr Wells since he sits on the board for uh feeding pastels apparently so 500 for 50 possible penalty so thank you madam chair thank you for those donations to our citizens okay this time we're gonna move on to the first first one and that is p88 item p88 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on October 5th 2022. good morning Denise good Hernandez good afternoon Madam chair Commissioners Denise Hernandez Planning and Development PDD 230018 is a set of package amendments for 2022 of the Land Development code um just wanted to tell the Commissioners that this is the first reading on this item so there's no action required just please uh if you take public comment and um this is set for adoption on December 6th at 1 30 in Newport Richie so I'll read the title it's an ordinance by the Pasco County Board of County Commissioners amending the Pasco County Land Development code chapter 300 procedures section 304 public notice procedures chapter 400 permit types and applications section 402.2 zoning Amendment master plan unit development districts Hudson 30403.3 preliminary site plans section 403.4 stormwater management plan and Report section 403.5 construction plan section 403.7 Mass grading section 403.9 modifications to development approvals section 403.10 landscape plan chapter 500 zoning section 503 AC agricultural District district Section 504 ac1 agricultural District section 505 AR agricultural residential district section 506 ar1 agricultural residential district section 507 ar5 agricultural residential district section 508 ar5mh agricultural mobile home District section 509 ER State residential district section 510 ER to a state residential district section 512 r18 single family mobile home District section 513 are to a major role density mobile home District section 514 our one rural density residential district section 515 are two

low density residential district section 516 or three medium density residential district section 517 are for high density residential district section 518 mf1 multiple family medium density District section 519 mf2 multiple family high density District section 520 mf3 multiple family high density District section 522 mpud master plan unit development District section 525 neighborhood commercial District C1 neighborhood commercial District chapter 800 natural and cultural resource protection section 802 tree preservation and replacement section 805 Wetlands chapter 900 development standards section 901.5 Transportation impact study section 905.2 landscaping and buffering chapter 1000 miscellaneous structure regulations Section 1003 Gates fences and walls chapter 1200 non-conformity section 1203.2 Restorations section 1203.4 non-conforming signs chapter 1300 concurrency and impact fees section 1301 concurrency appendix a definitions and other sections as necessary for internal consistency providing for applicability repealer for providing for severability inclusion into Land Development code and an effective date Madam chair yeah I think we finally have someone who can speak quicker than Mike Moore yeah that was impressed okay that was and there's a lot in here but a lot in here and I'm going to go line by line thank you because I have no idea what we're doing absolutely just wanted to read the title get that taken care of okay so the proposed amendments just to let you know they were presented to the horizontal Roundtable and interested parties meeting on June 15 2022 on October 12 2022 and October 19 2022 aside from that there were some subgroups for certain sections of the code that were created and items were presented as well so on the on October 20th 2022 the local planning agency unanimously found the proposed amendments consistent with a comprehensive plan and recommended approval to the board in their motion the local planning agency asked staff to clarify related by blood in the definition of Family and ask staff to further review the prohibition on chain link fences as in certain instances that are they are used for security purposes the LPA also requested that aluminum material be removed from the prohibition and to instead include a style of fence as opposed to fence material lastly they asked for comments on the matter from the sheriff's office as I go through those specific sections I'll tell you what staff has done but just to suffice it to say that related by blood has been defined I'll explain the chain link fence prohibition we did remove aluminum and I do have some photographs some of which were provided by commissioner Starkey and um but I'll go over that when I go through the sections all right here we go we're gonna take a dive so the first item that was amended is chapter 300 procedures and it's the um public required public notice for development approval applications we

added a row in that section that comprehensive plan amendments are to be mailed posted published and posted and that was at the direction from the Planning Commission and the board of County Commissioners and you may have remembered that conversation happening when the Saddlebrook item came up so right now they are not um they're only published and in some cases posted but not mailed so now it requires all three mailed published and posted the next section is also in the procedure section is published public notice published and it adds a public note publish notice may be accomplished by any other means so this is an anticipation of the effective date of 50.011 Florida Statutes which happens happen to during the last legislative session where that publication on publicly available website would suffice instead of having to do a publication in a paper of General circulation so that just adds the adds those three words that allows publication by any other means and we are working on a process to have that done on our website and you'll probably see some things related to that matter um soon the next section is chapter four I'm not sure yes I'm not sure if I could just a discussion point on the development agreement right now all you're making them do is just publish it yes uh I don't think that's sufficient especially if it's a significant change um there's currently a lynx golf goes over in Hudson's no they still have to put the signs yeah published in the paper right the stat the floors statutes changed yeah I think uh commissioner Mariano is referring to table 304-1 where it calls out development agreement and it basically states that it's only required to be published so commissioner Mariano you're asking for I think we need more more notice than that if we can well you you're this isn't changed you can do more notice but remember the development agreement is usually something that is implementing MPD zoning that you've already done this isn't a zoning change this is building roads it's the it's the big legal document that sometimes travels the one I'm concerned about is more of a zoning change yeah development agreement usually goes along with a zoning change you know like pipeline project requirements and things like that okay okay great thank you you're very welcome all right so this will continue um 402.2 B zoning amendment mpud is being changed where that that section talks about that projects that exceed the capacity of 1200 daily trips are required to do an mpud so what we actually added to that section and it's going to make a lot more sense later on because we're removing 9015 traffic impact study because traffic impact study hasn't existed for many years we're um getting rid of that section and reserving the section and that's where

that 1200 daily trip table is so we're moving that 1200 daily trip table updating the table and placing it in 402.2 a and then also because something that staff will be doing in the future is really analyzing whether 1200 daily trips is that a real trigger I mean that's been a trigger for many many years perhaps it doesn't make sense something probably that will be coming to the board soon in 2023 um we actually added that projects that are subject to a development agreement a special exception conditional use do not necessarily require an mpud so that's being added to that section the next section is chapter 400 403.3 F1 preliminary site plans time limit time limit on approval adds that if building permits expire after the sixth year of the preliminary site plan the preliminary site plan also expires the next section is and and this this change is going to be for many other sections the next section is 403.4 403.5 403.7 403 10 and 522 it adds it replaces the term hard copy site development permit with hard copy site development placard because it's really a placard not a permit all right so moving on to 403.9 modifications to development approval um this is a section where this is a true scrivener's error it's the the statement should have been in this in the non-substantial modification section not in the substantial modification section the statement says that only portions of the development affected by the substantial modification are subject to an additional review it should really be only the portions of development affected by the non-substantial modification because the substantial modification is really like a rezoning or zoning action that goes to the board so you look at the entire code in that case so this next section appendix a definitions family group living Arrangement and residential treatment and Care Facility this is one of the things that was changed during the Planning Commission meeting so the Genesis of these changes are basically and I'm not sure if the board county commissioner recalls that there was an alternative relief um that was submitted to the Planning Commission because they're a um legal counsel for an applicant basically stated hey your definition of a family basically is unlimited includes all kinds of people so um this um this group that we're trying to do which under our code would be a residential treatment and Care Facility because it consisted of seven or more folks and you'll see it in a second is really a family it's not a it's not a residential treatment and Care Facility so in order to make to fix that we modify the definition of a family so the first part of the definition of a family is pretty much exactly the definition of a family for um the uh Mr steinstein or where did where where was your previous employment management

County I apologize it's from Manatee County but the Planning Commission said hey can you be a little bit more clear as to what it means to be related by blood could this be like my seventh cousin twice removed you know one of the planning commissions members said hey I found out through my 23andMe that I'm related to the Queen of England I mean could the Queen of England she hadn't pass away then because the plan of England be my you know my family member so basically what we did is that we looked at the definition of relative in chapter 112.312 Florida Statutes and we added that definition so basically it defines exactly what's related by blood or marriage or adoption so number c is that for like step families because what does it mean a group of six people who are not so related because that seems like I'll be everybody just six people yeah so um so basically that would include um kind of like the more modern family members that are I don't want to get into like the term um so it would it would include Society um yes because so basically the reason why six is used is because the State of Florida has a definition of a community residential home that basically says that it's seven or more so um so zoning has a there's a preemption in zoning that basically allows that if you're ha if you have six or less you know you can operate that use within a single family residence so that captures that situation and that this is where you get some of those halfway houses and three-quarter houses but you'll see in a second that we change there's a there's now a definition for something called group living Arrangement and you'll see how that captures that particular use all right so then this is the new defin this is a definition that used to be called group home but we expanded it to be called a group living Arrangement um so basically this is so this tells you this is like it's it's in it's it includes but it's not limited to boarding homes uh fraternities monasteries Convent convents um Abu homes for abused children one of runaway shelters uh dormitories things like that and um it clearly states that it doesn't include a residential treatment and care facility and it also doesn't include independent living facilities because we all know that independent living facilities is just basically Apartments you know oh Madam chair yep my first question thank you and I might be Mr steinster to chime in on this as well I remember we had um probably a year and a half ago we had the one public hearing um I'm around at Quail Hollow this is as a result of that oh yeah what was that considered again they considered well remember when you say no phones [Music]

thank you put them all inside well we had considered it like a video game residential treatment and Care Facility under our code but the the attorney for the applicant basically stated that because our definition of family was so broad-based and it didn't limit the number of people we needed to make changes to our code so we actually worked with that attorney Mr Goldstein and myself we've worked through these definitions and these code changes that are coming up in front of you now all right trial by air right over time something that was written a long time ago right yeah okay thank you you're welcome all right and then um residential treatment and Care Facility was modified as well to basically state that these are these are basically more like skilled nursing nursing facilities and similar facilities that employ the services of skilled and licensed practitioners that's what makes it different and um they don't include independent living facilities so basically these are the the next set is going over the changes specifically to residential treatment and Care Facility and I just want to point out that this I'm gonna I'm gonna go over what what hasn't been changed and what is being changed just to show that the continuity yes and can you go back to that last slide because does this mean you cannot have one more okay we need the definition of family so moving forward if you have a single family home and if you have a foster home that has a foster family and they take in seven kids is this saying you're they're limited to the number amount of kids that they're allowed to have in their home it's lit it's it's this what this state is States is that it doesn't constitute um okay so please correct me Foster family when you Foster a family is that something that happens by law but seven seven foster kids in one house that's a that's got to be I think one of these things that's a group home well the ax is supposed to be five but sometimes they put 60 if there's a sibling family of five and someone's willing to take them but you already have a sibling family of three they try to keep the families together yeah but like because the first definition the Fert a does talk about that it could be really they could be related by law blood marriage or adoption so I'm just wondering if fostering does that cover the law part of it are they related by law if they're a foster family as long as it's covered by law because then they're Foster brother and sisters and I'm okay with moving forward since this is the um the initial hearing why don't we look into that definition and you can bring it back to us we can just make sure that they're allowed okay okay so moving forward um residential treatment and Care Facility it's a permitted use no change in the LDC C1 C2

C3 i1 and I2 it's a conditional use no change in the LDC in ar1 r1mh r2mh R1 R2 R3 and our R4 it's a conditional use it was previously permitted use in AC now it's new conditional use in ac1 ar5 ar5mh ER and er2 so we added the locations where it's conditional use in um group living arrangements this is new change because the the concept has changed as well permitted uses in mf1 mf2 mf3 conditional uses in AC ac1 ar1 ar5 ar5mh er2 r1mh r2mh R1 R2 R3 and R4 the point is if you're seeing like some similarities is because we have to treat residential treatment and care facilities and group of living arrangements similarly so the next item is chapter 500 and this affects 512 r1mh 513 or our 2mh 514 R1 515 R2 516 or 3 5 17 or 4 518 mf1 519 mf2 520 mf3 and it adds that neighborhood parks that are required at in by section 905.1 are accessory uses in that District so staff was kind of like asking the question hey do I have to apply for a special exception use in in a park I'm like in in a in these districts I'm like was it required by the code and they're like yeah I'm like well it shouldn't be a special exception it's an accessory use so that we change that this next section um 517.3 R4 high density residential district what we did on this one is we modified the lock coverage so it's combined both principal and accessory currently the code says 45 principle and then an additional 20 accessory we decided to combine them I'm thinking that this may reduce some of the numbers of Master plans that come through because that's one of the variances that folks have been have asked for in the past the next section is a correction in 520 22.3 qmpud conditional uses um we just the section is wrong it should be 402 and not 401 and then the term is not short-term rental it's vacation rental so we just fix that next section is C1 we're adding animal hospitals and veterinary clinics as permitted principal uses used to be a special exception news now we're adding it as a permitted use the background of that is that we added veterinary clinics that don't have overnight stays in po1 and really C1 Builds on po1 the next section is 800 natural and cortical resource protection 802.3 this is what's called the loophole provision for agricultural properties so it clarifies the exemption qualification for bona fide agricultural land use and exemption expiration it Remains renames the section to exemptions and this item was presented at horizontal Roundtable early in in the process on June 15th and then there have have been many Communications with the stakeholders in both September and October the next section is 805 Wetlands it basically adds fdep as a reviewing and or permitting issuance agency it also clarifies that public roadways are not not subject to reasonable use test determination and provides that the reasonable use test determination applies to non-public roadways and

linear public or private utilities it removes a non-mitigated roadway open to the public travel in public roadways section in there the next section is stricken in its entirety and it's reserved 901.5 Transportation impact study we haven't had that for many many years next section is minimum number of shade trees that that a lot that is six thousand square feet or less has the table has changed from one shade tree to two shade trees and it adds that a shade tree may be placed in the right-of-way fronting the Lots um and then also it clarifies that buffer Landscaping shall be located between the fence or wall and the street roadway not internal to the property and it codifies that memo that um Terry put together regarding shade trees and recording uh fence and Wall Street roadway so this next section um deserves a little bit of attention because there was a good deal of conversation about it which is 1003.1 Gates fences and walls so the board provided direction to prohibit chain link fences on um or or similar fences and Gates visible from a collector or arterial roadways as shown in the highway Vision plan and functional classification map so when this first was brought forward it said chain link aluminum or seminal similar fences and Gates Planning Commission basically said hey there's some Aluminum Fences out there that look really really nice and commissioner Starkey did show us some that are metal or aluminum and do look quite attractive so basically we did remove the word aluminum and put welded wire which is a type of a chain link fence but it's kind of like I do have some photographs to show you it's more like a um chain link fans have more of a hexagonal pattern uh the welded wire fence looks more like a hogwire say it again hog Wire yeah it's like a hog wire type of a thing um it does it is used in a lot of agricultural uses but I could see how folks can use that type of wire in some commercial applications um then another thing that the Planning Commission said is that hey you know chain link fences they could be used for security because if there's an issue at the business the um the Sheriff's Office can come in and just do a spot check you know Shine the Light and see what's going on so I did um and they and the Planning Commission said reach out to the share so I reached out to the sheriff that same afternoon and the sheriff said yeah you know they have a they have a point the Planning Commission has a point it could be used um for um secure and I'm paraphrasing I'm not quoting the sheriff's office um they could be used um for security uh purposes uh but it's this is a policy decision by the board of County Commissioners I also reached out to sheriff and he had no problem with these other fences um right and are you going to show them

I so if yeah I know there's two photographs that you may have sent yeah or maybe three and then you'll I'm sure these board members have seen it because I'm sure uh in most places in most counties too in cities when they put a fence they put one of these in in Hillsborough County that's what they do at their schools not the chain link fence with the Bob wire look um if you ever drive in South Tampa and look at the schools and we did we did restrict we did say legitimate AG uses can that's it that has been in the code there's an exemption section so I didn't section will certainly pick that up are you saying this one's okay that's a welded wire yeah yeah thank you sorry MacDill Air Force Base yeah yeah but where's the one she'll see one yeah it'll it'll come up in a second okay there yeah I mean that's what that's fine so this could be made of aluminum so that's why we remove the aluminum you know because the Planning Commission was basically use the style as opposed to the material exactly and we did we did take care of it that's a good fix because we don't want prohibit these okay so we're going to move on um the next section is just a you know an unintended consequence from when we did the sign code we should have put that section into the non-conforming sign section not not kept it in Restorations so we're just moving the statement to the non-conforming sign section so concurrency um and impact fees this is like removing a good deal of Legacy information because we have not had Transportation concurrency for years and years and years so it's just removing all the Legacy terminology in the section and then the last item is I apologize the next item is defining the term site development placard wow all right so as I stated there's no action required if you would please accept public comment it's the first reading of the ordinance and the adoption is scheduled for 12-6 2022 at 1 30 in Newport Richie and I thank you for your attention and patience because I know it was a lot of amendments and I'm here for any questions well that that is a lot for [Applause] that much of what I was given in my book which that's why there's no way I could read all that and and it's not you know it's not that's the so that's the clean if you got the red line version no this is doesn't mean no good because I don't have a Redline version so okay the redline version is literally this I only printed the redline version and this is It's too it's two-sided and I was running out of paper so I'm like oh my God I hope I have 22 sheets so that's 20 so it's 11 sheets double-sided okay for 22 sheets I have to help my staff because I didn't need to kill this tree right here

um I do have a question and is the whole Force yeah I just sent an email just very shortly ago of I found a photo online and this is something that I do want to prevent because does anyone know is Massachusetts an arterial or a collector Massachusetts Avenue right above arterial maybe which is a smaller one photo collector yeah okay so the my question is driving down Massachusetts and we have this on the main road and then also something that also bothered me about this storage facility is not only there's no access from the main road they're actually going into someone else's community to get into their Storage Center and all of this Landscaping I thought was supposed to be on the outside of the community yeah I I don't understand the landscape and this was in question when I first got into office because I questioned it as it was being built because the road was being destroyed as the trucks were coming into someone else's community Brad Tippett might be able to answer that question but I believe and if I'm not mistaken the prior um the prior self storage facility section of the Land Development code allowed chain-link fences to be used when we adopted 1105 um then that became prohibited so I don't know do you know the the date when this was done last year last year okay yeah so I know that self storage facilities the chain link fences now under today's code are prohibited and then they're further prohibited by what we're hopefully will be adopting on December 6th regarding the Landscaping I'm not familiar with the project I don't know if anyone on the team is familiar with the project if there was an alternative standard or if there was anything else approved allowing land you know with an allowance of the landscaping and in addition your blindness from Massachusetts yeah but I I mean I think it's fixed now no but we put the Landscaping oh on the inside I don't understand how we it's kind of useless it's it's I I can't tell you how frustrated I am that someone was okay with that and and yeah and I have to drive by that every day I know I there's a bunch of these there's a bunch of these that got through and but we we don't want to see one more of these come in like that I mean we're letting the boats have the make sure that they don't have to see the cars driving by yeah if you're you're in my district we had a gentleman who had a chain link fence put a opaque covering around it wanted to put the Landscaping outside but they said the code wouldn't allow it had to go put it inside they didn't want to put it inside are you kidding me wait how long ago was that that was probably a year ago so he just wasted money on Landscaping this problem is fixed I think our planning staff's in the back and like

this we will never see this again right guys we need to fix this I mean I like that idea yeah so we need to come in and put a buffer to their Landscaping on the other side thank you all right thanks all right let's keep going because we got a lot right that's that was my presentation I'm not sure if there's anyone signed up to speak on that any other questions all right this is a public hearing um does anyone wish to make any comments on this all right we'll promote you in one second okay Jake primer to be able to be able to talk at this point we cannot hear you I see you you talking but we can't hear you hold it for a second so you're good on our end just check your microphone on your end and go ahead and proceed with your name and address can you hear me yes we can hear you thank you I apologize for the delay I know you're busy my name is Jake Kramer I'm a land use attorney at Stearns Weaver Miller 401 East Jackson Street number 2100 in Tampa I'm appearing on behalf of my call several of my colleagues and planner Cynthia spidell have two comments on the LBC amendments we appreciate Denise and staff county attorney's office working with a number of us on some concerns and we were able to work through most of those except for two one of those is that the new fencing requirement we believe that's important we have a concern about the word visible though and I think we all know what divisible means but it's not a discrete standard that's that's measurable so what would happen if a fence becomes visible if another landowner say cut some Timber or it became visible and so one suggestion would be to have a distance from those food waves so that it could be a measurable standard the other concerns that we have is on the we believe that the exemption Provisions for Bonafide agriculture tree removal needs a bit more work I spoke to Florida Farm Bureau in Gainesville this morning and they have some concerns I understand they've reached out to staff but because of the hurricane they may not have had conversations yet we think it can work but the way it's written now doesn't allow for agricultural practices that are protected under the right to form act to receive their full protection so again a concern there is the reach back provision for bona fide agriculture we're not looking for exemptions for development we're just looking to protect agricultural properties in that interim so that farmers can produce their land while development applications are being reviewed which as you all know sometimes can take quite some time rather than the land becoming fallow for that one to two year period so I think we could work through that in advance form Bureau they've addressed

this in St John's County and they're going to be reaching out to the county attorney's office so thank you for your time appreciate your help hang on um yeah well I just wanted to mention and Mr creamer knows that we've been communicating with Mr Kramer back and forth I think our last email with Mr creamer was on October 31st and we're certainly happy to work through this item um and get if if the need is to modify the language we're happy to do so prior to it comes to the board for adoption yeah because this County wants to um allow for fencing for AG I mean I wasn't talking about the AG I apologize I was talking about the 802 the tree removal what what all of us know what knows that the as the loophole yeah for removing oh yeah we need to fix that yeah we're we're working Mr creamer does have some um modifications that he wants to make my understanding but I don't know what those are Mr creamer because I haven't gotten an email from the Farm Bureau so I'm not sure what those are and I think you may have said that they are reaching out to us which makes it seem as if they haven't yet um so we're happy we're happy to work through that prior to the adoption okay there's time all right thank you very much is there anyone else that wishes to speak okay uh we have one more behind you Denise uh Miss Hernandez I'm Julia bartinic I'm new parichi Florida 34655 I just wanted to speak that even though technically the Foster family issue is covered by the law because the children are removed legally and placed legally I think it's really important um because people when they're in a foster family they referred to it as foster mom foster dad and because we're in an epidemic of removal of children and very you know they're always struggling to find placement I think it's really important to include the words Foster family in that definition or else they'll be Revisited again and again and again thank you we're gonna fix up before the next one I just I just want to add on that so you have to add your put your name and your address please enter the record oh so you're never say no okay Marguerite Harvey I'm a guardian ad litem have been for seven years please two three three four seven Sierra road Land O'Lakes Florida excuse me um I just want to add to that that's very important to put into the language um It Is by law um and I just want to reiterate everything this woman said um but I do think it should have the language to include Foster family and I thank you for bringing that up yeah thank you okay seeing no one else it's to the board oh no there's no action on this one okay we will move on to the next P89 good afternoon Carrie Roberts purchasing

director for the county sorry times on August 30th 2022. thank you thank you I'm going to read the title but not nearly as fast as my colleague did this is an ordinance by the Pasco County Board of County Commissioners amending various sections of chapter 2 Article 4 division two of the Pasco County code of ordinances relating to purchasing providing for changes to definition of terms providing for clarification of the purpose of these sections providing for changes in purchasing limits and delegation of authority in certain instances including emergency purchases providing for changes to local preference clarifying restrictions on communication during the solicitation process providing for changes to unauthorized purchases requisitions and estimates encumbrance of funds authorization for the use of electronic media and signatures ethical conduct and sanctions piggyback contracts provide for requests for statement of qualifications and invitation to negotiate as methods of procurement providing for changes in the bid protest procedure providing for changes related to Central stores providing for changes to authority to debar and debarment and reinstatement prohibition against Awards certain persons and entities donations providing for clarification of Declaration of surplus lands and alternative disposition methods and unsolicited unsolicited proposals providing for severability providing for inclusion in the code and providing for an effective date this is the second reading and we do have a short presentation on what has changed since we presented it to you at the first meeting next slide please so since we read it to you on the 25th of October we have taken your comments into consideration and we have taken the emergency Authority at 250 000 for purchasing director and we are leaving it at a hundred thousand that is in the current ordinance for the local preference we also did not make any changes so the final version has no changes to the local vendor preference policy for the cyber security award we took the recommendation of the board and increased the county administrator's award authority to 500 000 and then the board would approve anything over 500 000 and then on the donation acceptance we did increase depart I'm sorry County Administrator approvals to 25 000. do we have any questions good changes yeah okay we will um first will you want to make your comments first yes um and this is just uh for for the board and um there is a provision in there that authorizes the purchasing director to make um any corrections that are scrivener's errors before it's submitted to the Florida uh Secretary of State our office is the one that forwards it um or submits it to the department uh the Secretary of State and we have a quick turnaround time of 10 days to get that

done by law and if anyone is going to review it if they could review it sooner rather than later because we do have a holiday coming up and I just want to make sure that we get it in on time and just work well with our board records department to get that done yes ma'am thank you okay this is a public hearing does anyone want to speak to our new changes in our policy here I have no one signed up for this item and no one on WebEx for this item okay see no one take that motion uh move rule second all in favor all right oh vote district one commissioner Oakley District Two commissioner Moore aye District 4 commissioner Fitzpatrick aye District Five commissioner Mariano uh District 3 chairman Starkey hi thank you very much good thank you okay we are now going to proceed to public hearings um and um would the county attorney's office please read the procedures including explanation of flow there are two rezoning agendas regular and consent staff will present each application to the board of County Commissioners if staff or Planning Commission has recommended approval and there's no opposition the application will be considered by the board without further presentation if staff or Planning Commission is recommended denial or if there is opposition to the application the applicant will be given five minutes for presentation the opposition will be given three minutes for each individual or five minutes for a group representative and the applicant will be given three minutes for rebuttal any individual disagreeing with staff or Planning Commission recommendation or anyone wishing to object to any condition of the reasoning May at this time request that the position be pulled from the consent agenda in which case that application we've heard under the regular agenda later on during the meeting otherwise all rezoning applications on the consent agenda will be approved by a single motion and vote if you wish to speak to any petition please give your name and address and whether or not you've been sworn to the record these are quasi-judicial public hearings the law in Florida is that near public support or opposition of an application is insufficient for this board to take action please limit your comments to those criteria found within the Ward's Land Development code Madam clerk would you like to swear them in yes I would if you're here to speak on the remaining items if you could please stand if you're able to and raise your right hands do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth so help you God thank you sorry okay that's all right we are off on P 90 item P90 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on September 21st 2022.

good afternoon Madam chair P90 is a zoning Amendment to the name of John Knight Corrigan Jr and Maria Vollmer it's a change in zoning from an AC agricultural District between AR agricultural residential districts in Northwest Pasco County uh North corner of dream Oak Drive and Hudson Avenue containing approximately 6.89 Acres this comes to you with a unanimous recommendation of approval from the Planning Commission on consent okay does anybody have any questions all right this is a public hearing is there anyone you're rolling consent item so yeah it is on consent so um if you want to speak in opposition to this I have no one signed up and no one on WebEx for this item 91. item p91 was published in Tampa Times on October 9th 2022. item p91 is a large-scale comprehensive plan Amendment CPL 2213 Hamilton Oaks it's the transmittal of a proposed large-scale Conference of planned Amendment amending future land use map s 2-15 and Sheet 22 from res 3 residential three dwelling units per gross acre to residential six red six uh and approximately 61.04 Acres of real property located east of Belmar Road in north of Zephyr Hills bypass and this is the for the transmittal to Deo can you do a little bit of the presentation our staff will be up Mr Brian younker hi good afternoon Brian jonker with a long range planning so you're a large-scale comprehensive plan Amendment PDD 230013 Hamilton Oaks the site location the property is located in 5930 Biltmore Road in Wesley Chapel is located on the south market area of our County here is the map of the site location of the 5930 Biltmore Road that's where the project proposed the side location the s16 fusion line use flew for the project depicted earlier threat three scoring future land use oh yeah the proposed Fisher land use for the site is for rest 6. current zoning is um AC and he has um mpds according to the South and West here I included a map of the body's mpuds just for a general idea of the ones that are aborting to the west and to the South as well here is the map with the uh with the vision Road The Zephyr Hills bypass that will be going along the south side of the project the project overview The Proposal is a large-scale comprehensive plan Amendment amending future land use map map 215 and sheet22 from rest 3 residential 3. 2 rest 6 residentials um six on approximately approximately 61.04 Acres of real property located east of bilmore Road location 5930 Wilmont Road the resolution is to amend fluma map map 215 and sheep 22. there is also an Associated resounding petition under RC number 7669 Hamilton Oaks and PUD thank you

the following policies are consistent with a proposed comprehensive plan Amendment we got flu A6 for the rest 6 and verse 3 the official the official feature-line news map we got policy flu 8.1.2 South market area establishment and also policy flew 1.4.3 transitional land uses the recommendation recommends to the board of County Commissioners find the proposed amendment consistent with the comprehensive plan and adopt by row call Boat thank you can you go back to the road Network yeah I don't know where this is because I don't recognize yeah and so this is what I was kind of talking about this morning yeah um where where are The Collector and arterials around here I see the Zephyrhills bypass is coming along the bottom what are the north-south roads to the north uh we got um it's a residential we got arms go Reuben if I'm not mistaken um to the south on Surfer Hill Bypass is an extension that is proposed for the future right now um unless the staff the developer want to um well that's this is this is what I want for the county that I think we need to be this is where I think we're messing up for for the future but this is a comprehensive plan Amendment so you wouldn't see the roadway but I can already tell I think I can tell and I see Barbers moving over here um are is this neighborhood connecting to the neighborhood to the east of it the west of it no no it's not connecting to nothing so guys this is where we are if we don't have a road grid set up for all these little developments that are coming in they're not going to be connected to each other so at some point this county has to have and you have this opportunity it's already kind of messed up on in many places but we really need to pay attention to what the road grid is looking at out here our roads will be so crowded because there won't be enough of them and there won't be this connectivity so I I get don't you can't clap it here um I get really frustrated to see neighborhoods that don't talk to each other and you can't get from one another without going out on a collectible arterial I think it's not a good planning on our part Barbara Wilhite 6327 Grand Boulevard New Port Richey Florida so the answer regarding the network is right off of this Ariel to the left which is the West there is Chapel Crossings Boulevard also known as curly Road Extension has different that's the border of this neighborhood it's so on our West is Chapel Crossings yeah and right off of what you see there you can't see the road but to the West there there is I think it's called Chapel Crossings Boulevard now it's Curley Road Extension so that's a vision Road and then to the east you can't see it on this particular graphic but to the

South and to the east is Avalon West and River Glen Parkway is the road on the east side that goes north south through Avalon West it's also a vision Road to the to the south of this project is zephyrhill's bypass extension a vision road we are building our the next segment um of Zephyrhills bypass extension um because right now it ends with the chapel Crossings project so that would be a part of this project is extending your road which will be a significant benefit to you all we are working with staff for the MPD conditions relating to that we have a meeting on Monday and with regard to the interconnections to the West the reason why there's no interconnection to the West is that the board approved Chapel Crossings without an interconnection we can't do that this is so that's the reason why we're not interconnecting um is because the board approved Chapel Crossings to the West without without that interconnection to our property and will they do have interconnections to them okay Barbara will there be is your development making a stub out for an interconnection to the east to the East and North yes we are to the east to the end to the north and to the north and not to the South not to the West not to Zephyr Hills bypass well we're yes we're gonna have access to Zephyrhills bypass and we have to construct several bypass the only connection that we won't have is to the west to Chapel Hill to that quadrant or Chopper Hills Chapel's Crossing to that quadrant of Chapel Crossing because the board approved Chapel Crossing not to have the interconnection there I just you know I one day I'd love to see what your vision is for a road grid before we really everyone's gonna need to fly around the helicopter where's Island Boulevard Barbara where's Island Boulevard is it connected to This Island Boulevard is to the to the east yes to the right or to the to the right if you're looking at this exhibit to the right off the map yeah it's off the map towards the red line which road is that I'm sorry commissioner what is the road on the I guess South the red line South Extension what is it Zephyrhills bypass extension in this project the county is getting the right-of-way for Zephyrhills bypass extension through Avalon West that's not all built yet except for Hill's wife because everyone's bypass extension stops at Chapel crosses it stops right there and it's going all the way through well and the road's not there yet no it's not so it stops right here yeah see right there it stops right right there right there okay probably need to work on better graphics for you all for these presentations

yeah I mean I just think we need to pay attention um you have done activity there's one thing that I notice and is that you have done a lot with regard to Vision roads and one mile collectors facing and um and interconnectivity the staff really is on this it's one of the comments we get all the time from staff is regarding the rose and the vision Road and the interconnectivity and we are getting those comments and addressing them unlike other parts of the county where you didn't have Vision roads and the County's done a pretty good job of making sometimes we let those connections go away up here and we need to not mess up that guys and your staff is continuing to fight for those interconnections because we get that's like the number one comment we get yeah yeah okay um I still have no idea where it is but I just wanted to make that that comment yeah it's just it's just north of Avalon West which was approved as gosh New River I guess but zavalon West now so it's off it's north of 54. north of 54. yep so zephyrhill's bypass comes off of 54. goes through Chapel Crossings and then this project is the next project over from Chapel Crossings to the South is Avalon West into our not immediate East but the next parcel over is Avalon West as well there we go so you can see now we're okay so overpass this is what mine has over here this is Zephyrhills bypass extension right here it's actually this is this is the intersection of State Road 54 and pro and Curley Road okay then you're coming along here you're driving down 54. you used to drive along here now you can go this way and go through Chapel Crossings this is Curly Road Extension here it's been built through Chapel Crossings and then chapel and then several's bypass stops right there and we'll be extending it from here to this project right here so it sits right beside Chapel Crossings this is Avalon Park West this is their project up here is vo pH Depew nut Ranch which is just came through as a comp plan amendment to change the village type to be on the more dense Village type and they're working on their MPD so this area is really I mean we're just one of the last pieces of the development of what's already been put in place for this area so is isn't Avalon Park supposed to be kind of like a tnd they do have a portion of it where they have the I see their advertising events where are they connecting to anybody you can't see the all the roads on here but because I I see I see them only emptying onto 54. but anyway that's not for today yeah that's just kind of my

point just for your uh it is a TOD a Transit oriented development Avalon Park okay and they do connect to Zephyrhills bypass as well yeah I see the one River Glen Parkway is the north south and goes that River Glen Parkway goes through Avalon West we'll continue through yeah so River Glen Parkway goes through Avalon West will continue through diffunet and goes through water grass it's called water grass Parkway and keeps going north so I mean vrph is a pretty robust Network as well which yes this has to fit within so okay thank you um this is a public hearing does anyone else want to speak on this do we have anyone online there's no one signed up and I have no one online for this yeah take that motion again all in favor hi thank you uh p92 item p92 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on April 20th 2022 and September 7th 2022. good afternoon Tammy Snyder Planning and Development we have Kayla Collier and PUD pdb 2375-74 here's their location map that is hail Road bisecting the mpud and it's Collier Parkway running north and south on the east here's a bigger picture we have the US-41 over there on the west proposed as a resulting from AR agricultural residential and R1 rural density residential zoning districts to an MPD to allow for a maximum of 109 single-family detached drawing units and Associated infrastructure on approximately 46.1 Acres here's our master plan presently the subject Parcels are used for residential and agricultural Pursuits the PC heard the item at the September 22nd 2022 hearing and voted to recommend denial per the code and comp plan sections cited in the agenda memo the County engineer identified levels of safety issues with hell Road therefore the applicant collaborated with her to reduce the number of proposed access points on hail and revise the conditions of approval to reflect additional required safety improvements such as turn Lanes in both directions at both access points and a sidewalk on the south side of Hill Road to the Collier Parkway intersection then continuing down Collier the PDD found the proposed request is consistent with the Pasco County LDC chapter and as noted in the post Planning Commission analysis attached to the agenda memo and with that the PDD recommends approval with conditions all right I think um programs any questions for staff think we're going to have a presentation by the applicant Madam chairman do you have ex parte forms that you're oh yes as a matter of fact there's been a few batches that have already been sent to the clerk's office there was some included with this agenda memo as well for clarity I think about the applicant yep I did too yeah I did applicant and uh citizens

okay all right then we'll hear from the applicant you have um 15 minutes okay thank you Shelley Johnson 6400 Madison Avenue Newport Richie and I have been sworn I know many of you watched the Planning Commission community meeting and I know a lot of the people that were there are here today um so you're familiar with some of the concerns of Miss Bishop who is one of the landowners on the other side of the lake from this development as well as many of the residents who lived out on hail road that raised concerns in regards to the safety of hail Road and the impacts that this proposed development we're going to have on hail Road KB Homes I think they did this through the runner MPD took the concerns that we heard very seriously we went back we vetted those concerns we had various conversations with staff including your County engineer about the concerns and I think what you'll find we have a PowerPoint that Cindy is going to come up here and go through but it's and it's very detailed but you'll see that we've made some very significant revisions to our MPD plan to address those concerns that were raised the development now the majority of that development is now going to be going out onto Collier Parkway that's where the main axis will be and staff is supportive of that your County engineer is supportive of that we do have 22 units on the north side of Hill Road that are still going to need to utilize Hill Road for Access that's the access to that property but we have agreed even though the traffic studies didn't warrant it there was nothing in the code or anything that of that nature we did agree in discussions with the county attorney to go ahead and put in the improvements that Tammy's identified the right and left side axis turn Lanes as well as the additional sidewalk improvements but I'm going to let her let City jump up we're here all of us are here to answer any questions we appreciate your time today and we hope we can get your support for this proposal thank you thank you thank you Shelly good afternoon Madam chairman and members of the County Commission I'm Cindy tarapani happy to be here again with you today to talk about this project as Shelly alluded to we have made a variety of significant changes to the project which I will detail on the slides but I want to give you a little bit of background about the project first before I begin I'd just like to confirm that I am speaking as an expert witness in the field of land use planning based on my master's degree from Clemson University my undergraduate from Clemson and a master's degree from Florida State University in over 41 years 41 years of serving as a planner in both the public and private sectors we've assembled a very robust team with experience in every area that you need of course Miss Johnson as our attorney civil engineer is by Florida Land Design and both Jay hunting and Robert fudge

are here from that firm I'm Mike razor from Razer Transportation Consulting is we'll speak to you at the end about the transportation issues you all know KB home it's one of the largest national builder in Florida building for over 50 years in Southwest Florida it has the financial and administrative capability to complete this project and do the entire project KB has three projects under construction in Pasco County Legends point on North on on the north north of 52 on the west side of Hayes River Run on U.S 301 and Sanctuary Ridge on Old Pasco Road again to identify the site the site is split by Hale Road the north side has a smaller number of units the south side has the larger number it's a 46 Acre Site with part of the lake Lake Placid located in the North side of the property system aerial photos from 1952 and 72 showing the use of the property as grazing and clearly a citrus for some period of time until Citrus is really not viable in certain parts of Florida anymore we all know for that unfortunate situation the most important thing I think about this project is that it is one of the last undeveloped portions of property in the Collier Parkway Atlanta Lakes area we are east of 41 West of Collier Parkway is a 46 acre parcel divided in two portions but as you can see very clearly from this aerial to pre-lakes is to the north Sable Ridge to the South Lake Padgett Estates and different sections of Lake padidar also located to the South along Collier Parkway and the entire area from this property South to State Road 54 are completely developed with residential uses in our particular case we are we are adjacent to single-family detached homes in almost every case with two exceptions to the West there are there are single family homes but on larger lots and we'll talk about what we've done to mitigate there to our east across the lake is the one property owner who is in objection to this property to this project foreign again this is the future land use map all everything you see in green Is Res six of course that's six units an acre this project is proposed at 2.4 units an acre two and a half 2.3 2.4 units an acre well under less than half of the plan category designation which is your long-term plan for this area and the rest of the county the kind of purpley red you see there is along Lynn Lakes Boulevard US 41 of course that's different kinds of commercial activity and land use on that section our opponents are going to speak to you and tell you to ignore this comprehensive plan and look solely at the zoning and I would just ask you to take a step back and recall that this area has been designated res-6 for eons and eons in the County's comp plan and our applicant the KB Home has relied on that comp plan category and put together a project that is complies with that plan category again just another map again the site is in red you can see all the single-family

homes there is some Res three to the Northeast and also in that res 3 area is the Pineview Elementary and Pineview Middle School we're very close proximity to the site and I want to talk now about the changes we made since the Planning Commission meeting we had a very uh quite a few comments both by the planning Commissioners by the staff and we continue that conversation with the staff and then comments from the residents one of the main concerns was the access along hail Road and the use of hail road for the project so the project as we presented it to the Planning Commission had a driveway on the two driveways on the north side of Hill Road to access those lots and a third driveway also on Hay Road to access the southern portion so a total of three driveways on hail Road there was no access to Collier Parkway at the Planning Commission presentation as a result of the concerns about the existing status of Hill Road there was a significant opposition to new development using that road so based on these comments and working with the county staff we are proposed which is on your agenda today a revision to the concept plan that makes major changes to that again the Western driveway on hail road for the northern portion was eliminated the driveway to the South property was eliminated so now there's only one driveway remaining on Hale Road and it serves only 22 Lots the primary entrance and that's the one driveway on hail road that remains again serving only the northern portion of the property the other major change that we did is two things along Collier Parkway one we have shifted the primary entrance to Collier Parkway and that becomes the sole entrance in the primary entrance to the south portion of the property no longer access from Hale Road only access from Collier Parkway we've also provided as the staff suggested an interconnect that's the double error you see for the corner parcel that's at Hale Road and Collier Parkway which we do not own is not part of the project we're providing an interconnect through our property to get there so they can get out to our driveway and then out to Collier Parkway the other things that we have done as a result of the staff recommendation we are committing to do turn Lanes at both driveways so at Collier Parkway we will have a Northbound left turn into the project we'll also have a southbound right into the project neither of those are warranted by the number of trips the staff suggested that it was a good safety Improvement and we agreed to make that and they are memorialized in the conditions before you today we also agreed on Hale Road for the one driveway that we have remaining to do the same thing a West West eastbound left into the project and a Southwest easterly driveway going turning right into the project so both turning movements at both driveways

are proposed and they're memorialized in your conditions and of course those are solely at the developers cost those red bars are just showing the um the Turning movements and we also have Mike Grazer who will speak to those in a few minutes more specifically other accommodations that we made along the north half of the property because you can see the property our property line is split down the lake so the Eastern portion of Lake Placid is owned by the Bishops their property to the east you can see where the lots are in the um well it's not doing it not sure how to run that part but the pink that you see there there's pink lot lines you can see the distance to the property um to the bishop property it's at least 800 feet at a minimum from our new houses to her house which is further North within the site and it's a substantial substantial distance from the property line of our new homes to the edge of her property we also have reduced along the western edge there we have reduced the number of lots and again memorialized on the MPD master plan there will not be no more than 12 Lots along that Western Property Line because the houses to the west of us are larger lots and we also along that Western Edge and actually in the entire Northern portion the pink you see on this map denotes that these would be the larger 50-foot Lots and finally we've committed to a 20-foot buffer along that Western Edge where none is required because it's single family to single family but we are committed to doing that buffer along there now to look at the South Side in a little more detail again you can see there is no driveway anymore on hail road to serve the South Side the primary entrance will be from Collier Parkway with an interconnect to the corner that you see up there in the at right at kale and and um hail and Collier Parkway all the Lots adjacent to Sable Ridge which are to our south and east are 50 foot 50 foot lots and again that's a commitment on the MPD master plan that they would be that size we also are putting in a buffer and a fence along that edge as well where no buffer would be required because again it's single family detached homes against existing single-family detached homes in Sable Ridge with regard to environmental commitments we do have Wetlands within the site we have a category one Wetland which is the Lake Placid we're not proposing any impacts to that Lake and we will of course have the required Wetland buffer around the lake we also are not allowing any motorized boats on Lake Placid again memorialized in the MPD conditions not just something I'm saying up here but actually a requirement of the MPD we plan to repair and replace the existing dock which is on the south side of the lake to the west of our main our entrance on hail road but we will not expand that existing Dock and again no new environmental impacts no no environmental impacts at all to the

Shoreline and the wetlands along Lake Placid we've had multiple conversations and emails between KB Home and the property owner Mrs bishop and her attorney KB Home principals visited the site at the invitation of the property owner we believe we made every reasonable effort to be a good neighbor with the owner who shares the use of Lake Placid as committed to in the imputed conditions talked about these Transportation commitments to highlight it again only one driveway on hail serving 22 Lots left and right turn Lanes on hail new principal primary entrance on Collier turn Lanes on Collier Parkway as well sidewalks on Collier Parkway from the edge of our property all the way south and then also on Hale Road the sidewalk wood cross the corner parcel so it would go across our entire property to the corner it's from The Corner South all the way down the total all the way down to the southern edge of our property and connect to Sable Ridge we also have a requirement to dedicate some right-of-way along Hill Road which is also shown on the MPD master plan the surrounding Community as you saw in the Aerials is single family detached homes that's the exact same use that we're proposing here today we have increased our lot size next to Sable Ridge and we've made commitments about limiting the number of lots and the size of the lots to our Western property line the comp plan would allow 213 Lots under that res six plan category 213 units we started out our initial assessment was about 150 lots and you can see that's declined over time as we've refined that site plan but our plan today is at 109 Lots after having neighborhood meetings extensive meetings with staff and re-looking at all of these issues again what we are proposing today is about half of what you could do on the project on the site under the comprehensive plan I want to quickly show you some of these elevations so you can see all these homes that I'm going to show you on both sizes of lots have a two-car garage and a double driveway one of the 50-foot lot products a 50-foot lot product again with a two-story we are Mindful and very aware of the architectural diversity requirements those are in our conditions of approval we absolutely adhere to those we also will adhere to the new tree planting requirements within the property I think my time is about up I just want to show you the last slide so here's the revised concept plan based on the Planning Commission input Planning Commission Commissioners your staff and the neighbors who really opposed any more traffic access on hail Road I'm going to stop now and let Mike take over you better be fast 30 seconds uh Michael razor Razer Transportation Consulting 25 years of experience as a traffic engineer and I have not been sworn because we stopped the clock so I can get some all right stop the clock and put another

minute on there every second counts here right hand I do thank you so I'm going to condense my presentation and go right to safety in regard to Traffic Safety we were provided with crash data from Pasco County Traffic operations in March of this year the data was for the preceding five-year period which is typical a typical period for traffic crash analysis the traffic crash data identified 25 crashes on hail between US 41 and Collier Parkway excluding the intersections on either end the crash data was used to calculate a crash rate for Hail which was identified as 1.65 crashes per MVM which is million vehicle miles of travel the crash rate was compared to crash weights for similar facilities mathanish yep in Pasco County and in the Tampa Bay area using data provided by fdot for similar facilities in Pasco County the crash rate for Hail was about 50 85 percent of the Pasco County crash rate for those facilities so about 15 percent less for similar facilities within the Tampa Bay Area the crash rate is about three percent less or 97 percent of the Tampa Bay crash rate during discussions with a County engineer Margaret Smith she believed that the implementation of the turn Lanes three of which are not warranted by traffic volumes would maintain the level of safety and level of service within the area and specifically on Hale Road and not degrade Traffic Safety operations and thus fully addresses and effectively mitigates the traffic impacts of the project and of course I'll be here to answer any questions at do arise thank you um yeah I I have some questions but uh board members do any of you have any questions Madam chairs yep just just a couple I I again I met with some um citizens and young lady that's out there right now I think um as well as the applicant I think it was last week I think it was last week because they all run together so um I just want to clarify a few things you might want to somebody come up Cindy UK too I don't I don't know but um I just want to clarify a few things because going back to the play the commission meaning I think there were there was a couple plating commission meetings if I wasn't on that correct there were some concerns um and I know one of the big ones with the neighbors is it like Rosebud and Consortium is it Continuum that's yeah that's Bishop's property compound of people what is what is that um it's a it's yeah it's like a school um but she lives on the property yeah okay um they do res studies and stuff with regards to conservation and things that well I know I know the big thing they were talking about was kind of environmental aspects of the lake for example we're about motorboats and things like that so you have in your you mentioned it earlier but you have in your deed restriction of some type of

deed restriction you're going to put on I guess the HOA that states that it would only be um like kayaks canoes correct no motorized boats yes no no motorized around this Lake this time um the sound well the North End only has 22 lots and that's what would be a budding not yours not yours not yours oh okay currently on the lake to answer your question commissioner Moore I believe the only properties are found on the lake today are Mrs bishop and there's a property to the north and I have to look at the area recall if they have a home there might be a home on that as well I think what I saw there was just two right I believe there's only two heads yeah okay cool all right do we is there anybody currently have motorized vehicles on the lake that we know of I don't know we we're committed to not doing it I don't know the things anybody seen any motorized I mean other jet skis and ski boats the Lake's too small for that um I think you could have a little fishing boat you know a little scooter boat or something out there nobody's seen that before I I doubt it I doubt that there's bass boats on that list no the only reason I asked yes you know I mean we want to make sure you know if we're gonna anybody either side if we make a concession we'll make sure it's even playing field so there's people out there in the you know cruise around and um in in their little fishing boats bass boats yes you can push oil on there and then you're asked not to do it I mean we're gonna make sure we're all on the same page also make sure that that's not going on okay so you made you made that concessional recreates to that to doing that um the doc you mentioned earlier there was concerns about the docs there's a dock there and Mrs Bishop has a doc as well on her property that they utilize for their various functions and so we committed to go ahead and rebuild our existing dock but to not build it any larger or in any you know aggressive form beyond what they have their dock built so it's going to basically look like their doc okay yeah because I know when I met with one young lady over the phone with WebEx or whatever it was um yeah there was the environmental concerns about that and other other things so so no motorized boats no like access for any motorized vehicles on the lake okay no no we'll throw that out the door now um I think the other thing I saw in the Planning Commission the big thing too is the concerns about the Ingress egress being on the main would be on Hale Road correct so now we've moved for the to the development to the right of this right okay we've moved that to Collier Parkway now um I thought when we had a conversation was was the steam was was the team was our staff still making you have uh like an emergency Ingress egress on hail or

not that is the access that 22 lots that hail Rose so you're not there's no other access no no the development to the right the one on the south that no the County engineer is comfortable with the access London Collier and it is stopped yes it stubbed out to connect yeah there's a stub to the west and there's a stub to that corner property their neighbor okay which is good I'll point out too that the the South section the now will be accessed solely through Collier Parkway only has around it could be as many as 86 Lots depending on Final engineering so it doesn't doesn't require that second access because we're not triggering that that height okay I just want to make sure we're on the same page okay because those are the things I talked about I know those were some of the concerns blotching the planning playing commission meeting um and initially you were looking to for approval for how many the complaint allows for 213 we came in at 150 we're down to 109. okay so it was originally 250. 213 yeah came in at 150 down to 109. and we anticipate we're obviously going to lose a little bit more as far when the infrastructure goes in I think it's Cindy's pointing out so all right um I don't want to keep having to come back to you just wanted to make sure to be okay I want to make sure I have all those questions answered now just want to make sure that that's solidified yeah I think I I will let others talk about I know you know there's been talk on on this board about lot sizes and concerns about certain lot sizes so I know some other people will probably talk about that um you know I because I want to obviously want to hear the public speak and we're going to listen to the public speaking and there's quite a few people that obviously want to speak hopefully you guys are all you know have have this all arranged so somebody talks on one subject the next one another subject and another subject so yeah here though we we hear everything that you're concerned about um and not the same thing over right because then it just gets monotonous and you lose track so make sure you have the hope you have that planned out um but um you know I remember if I'm not correct and you guys probably don't remember this because you might not have had a meeting or with the applicant and I think somebody a few years back put out a um a sign to for a public hearing maybe there was a meeting wasn't there a 7-Eleven at one time supposed to go on along around this lot yeah so I remember the one next door I was close by right so I remember there's a lot of concern about that and I think I don't think I know that person's left um which I don't disagree that's probably not a good fit for a neighborhood like this right I I don't

disagree so my my concern about I'm just going to say this before we have public comment is you know we're looking at we're going from 2 13 to 150 to 109. and now we're making the entrance X the Ingress egress the main one on coir now versus hail you know this is scaled down quite a bit in this thinking about the resonance I've been around for eight years um is that okay so we have 109. this gets denied one year down the road or two years down the road or three years down the road you're gonna have a different board and they could come in with a huge multi-family project that's going to put 800 units there because it'll fit how they stack them now so that's just something I'm thinking about to make you know being honest I'm looking at this it's most of traffic is gonna be on corner now I know you're gonna have some on hail but you know as families grow and your neighborhood's grow and you bring in young people I've got three kids now one's driving I'm gonna have another one driving three years another one driving three years that I'm gonna be on the street asking for money because I'm not going to afford on the cash the insurance but um because the other you only have a few on the other side of hail you know I'm just again I'm thinking out loud early here that's just a concern to me is like you say no now to something small like this it's gonna have a in my opinion it's very minimal impact to something that could be a gigantic impact two or three or four years from now and I can't tell you what's going to happen down the road with other boards where they're going to say yes or no too so that's just something to consider because they could come in here and rezone this for a huge multi-family multi-family project or they could add more density the worst cook because you saw 7-Eleven almost come you know somebody could come in and wanted this to be a huge retail project in a big box store to be there I mean you never know so just something to think about that's it for me for now Madam chair yep uh my concerns are what size are the lots so the lots are 40 and 50s we do have I know the board you know the code and the board's resolution requires that if we go beyond the 50 everything has to be reloaded with a recognition of course of the concerns that you guys have about parking our fronts are 20 but that's 20 from back a sidewalk so a full car will be able to fit in the driveway two cars actually next to each other because you have your five foot you have your twenty four the problem is is in some of these neighborhoods we're talking about they they can't park there without parking over that sidewalk and you end up having families or kids playing in the street because they can't play on

the sideways can't even actually walk on the sidewalk and my subdivision Finch fit lots there's no room to park a vehicle from the garage without crossing the can't get two cars in these garages I know but they can park more next to each other in the driveway next to each other but if you have a one if you have a single car driveway and a town home it's they're behind each other that doesn't work yeah or if you're front I think it's related to your front yard setback so if your front yard set back I know some of them have 10 um I've heard of you know you're gonna probably have an issue with it hanging over the sidewalk but this is 20 from back of sidewalk so there's plenty of room for two cars to sit in that driveway and then you'll still have your five foot sidewalk so yeah but I know what you're talking about I've seen I can't park my my home I came for my Ford truck between my garage and my sidewalk really interfering with the sidewalks thank you well I know the HOA restrictions for their standard because I've looked at them do not allow any commercial vehicle parking overnight or anything that nature so he's just driving a big big old truck a dually you're calling his horses we have one too so I know they're big good luck if you get code to go on yeah no we're gonna we we as a board just letting the development Community know we're going to be looking hard at the setbacks for especially single car driveways because we looked at photos this morning where the cars are literally well we can show you one here a little bit um but I mean they don't even fit they're in the street yeah it's like a wood lock screen you have actually really no backyard and you have not much front yard and there's no room to park your car outside the garage that doesn't touch the sidewalk right now yeah so I have a real issue if it's 40s and pitchfoot lots now the depth on these are 110 so I I with 110 and then the 20 foot from back of sidewalk the the cars should fit I probably have a rendering I could pull up and have and send this yeah probably 20 feet because it's a bit 254 so so it's 20 from back of sidewalk which is the difference so you're gonna have five foot where you have your sidewalk and then you have 20 foot from the back side of that sidewalk to the garage and you can fit two cars in there on a double so and not in pinch on that five foot but the teenagers cannot have cars see yeah no car um or they have to well like you said if we can afford it anymore uh but here's why I I do have a question did did you have any because I'll jump in I think the chair should go Alaska um I have a question on and this is for staff too um and we talked about this when I met with you and I sorry I don't remember what the answer was what isn't what is the

multi-use Trail plan for this area and I guess that's to my planning staff let's call your Parkways you know got schools and parks and who's coming up get um because Collier Parkway doesn't have it anything on it I don't even know if that's sidewalks on it yeah it does certain spots above the Madam chair so if you look at yeah certain parts of Claire Parkway and they can answer more of it because I drove the library as a sidewalk well a trail no there's no no Trail so so and when I was um I think it was a political event which was campaigning I watched all the golf carts come down that sidewalk to pick up their kids at some school down there but I just wanted to know is there a plan because that is is call your I see we have right away on the other side so it seems to me that is one day Collier gonna be more Lanes or it looks like it looks like we have land preserved there good afternoon Madam chair uh nectario espitos for the Planning and Development Department so Pasco mapper which is a JS service that we use um in in our planning activities is uh illustrating that there is a path Network established for Collier Parkway but it's kind of uh stop and go in its application on the maps um I'm not sure if that's if there's an error in the layer but the southern portions of culinary Parkway going from State Road 54 North does include a trail Network on it up until about I would say that is Parkway Boulevard and then the layer stops for some reason the trail Network begins again at Collier Parkway at Dupree Lakes Boulevard and then there are trails that basically go into the uh uh natural areas the conservation lands areas that are east of of culinary Parkway and Parkway Boulevard um so it's a little stop and go it's I can't answer you the full question at the moment yeah this is this is to my administrator over here and so when I look here um there is a sidewalk on the east side of Collier Boulevard right that's there's a sidewalk that goes upon the library yes and it likes Recreation okay yes so which side what is planned for the uh other side of Collier Parkway because I'm looking at the property appraisers map and it looks like we have like a right-of-way preservation plan going along there because I asked the applicant were they asked to save land for a multi-use trail and said no and so I didn't know what the plan was for Collier as a major road in the county do we have a plan uh I think I would defer to the County

engineer who I believe is online and Steve okay she might have an idea foreign [Music] I thought that the County engineer was online at the moment so this but that's something that we'll have to research for you yeah so this is this is an issue for me and I hate to keep beating a dead horse here and it's not their fault is that where's our plan and how how do I know if this to prove this project today fits in with that plan so it's so I'm not I don't know if what they've designed will allow for a multi-use trail on their site one day and so do we need to ask for more space up front I mean but it's so unfair to them for us not to have our plan so I don't and I guess if I would ask the applicant is there room for you do you have a sidewalk in front of your project on call you're on talk about and is it planned for a sidewalk because I can't tell on your diagram here and I can't remember from our conversation or is there room to put a multi-use stream there if I'm a commissioner yeah sure um Collier Parkway whenever it does get built out we'll be following our typicals which do provide the necessary which those typicals do provide the necessary Trail and pedestrian facilities on them what's that when they get built I think it's for both sides so but to tell you which side a sidewalk will be on versus an airport path I would have to look at the typicals so so do you see my dilemma here though because if there's is there already a sidewalk on the one side right I'm not able to answer that at the podium yeah the staff has the book in front of them when they do the reviews yeah hey Terry monitor I mean yeah yes or no they don't know I know that's I mean it's not good go on and on about it I mean it's like we do or don't you know it's one of the other well I would say that we do you know what the future is I mean unless we know the answer to it not you not you yeah it's like yes or no yeah so we do know we have the typicals they're in the comprehensive plan I'm not the subject matter expert right that deals in those typicals so I can't tell you that it would be on the east side or the west side of the road but that information is reviewed when these when the site plans come in and the engineering is done for these projects no sure yeah the importance of though forget their project right but if anything that comes up like the chair stating we the team needs to know the answer to it because that's pertinent to the situation going on so I mean I'm just being honest this should be known when you have a development it's given to butt a major road like this I mean I don't disagree with the chair

on this but you got to know these things before we can okay so um and I think you'll have plenty of time because there's going to be a lot of public comments so we can find maybe we can find out more and and put those conditions into the approval if it's on that site if that's the thought so um uh and I I just want to go over my thoughts on this so far of course we'll take public comment but and I I want to say I went out and drove on Hill Road because I wasn't really familiar with it at all I've been on Collier Parkway many times and if this had been on Hill Road I would have had major issues um um so that is a narrow road and I wonder if there is a plan for it one day to get some fixes I I see those kind of same conditions on Trouble Creek there's it has kind of that drop off on one end um but Collier Parkway is a I think that Road's in good shape um and and then and there's plans one day to widen it and um and but I'll listen to public comment for more thoughts commissioner Mariana thank you madam chair and I'm glad you bring up the sidewalks because as well as in the conversation about Collier is important when I first look at this we talked earlier connectivity is important by going down to one connection I think you weaken the whole development anyway instead of diversifying where they can go now they've got to go left right left right left right to get out and it just doesn't make sense to do that to go when you look at Hale Road Hale Road and Bell Lake Road I think we're two great roads we had done is passed to connect call you to come over but if you try to go in some of these kids that are going to be eliminated is that going to go to hell Road they're going to go down to Heritage Park how's it going to get there you know anyone could anyone anyone going down that way anyone to 41 whatsoever you get a narrow narrow road that's going to be dangerous um I think the neighborhood has developed all around it but I think most you launched for 60 70s I mean I don't know why we want to get away from that um I think the larger lot size makes more sense Cuts cuts down your flow and then maybe it enables you to to put in some type of infrastructure and sometimes we have developers they actually go out and go off-site and go build more we we give them to impact few credits for it but to go make it safer to go build a sidewalk connecting to another area this is a very dangerous area along a hail road to to really look for that and if you're going to get in and it's part of the conversation about what's going on call you where the roadways of the the sidewalk Trails but if a lot of people are going to go there and you got people that may want to go play golf at Plantation Palms take a golf cart how they're going to get out there so I mean it's it's got issues

I don't I don't know what the subdivision is just south of this one I'm looking at it um disable Ridge yeah Sable Ridge you know it don't it it's much larger than this one but this is a discussion we were having this morning it's not about you guys it's just amongst us and and policies I don't know why they didn't connect to Alpine Road or one of these other roads so I mean they all have to come out on the on the collector there should be they should have had more ways to connect to their neighbors but all right so it's public comment um we will I think we have an attorney who's got 15 minutes um do you want to go first or last okay and then we will have the three minutes for those who each for those who signed up but we're going to ask you not to repeat um because there's an awful lot of you not to repeat the same things your other people the others have said and so one of the techniques you can use to not be repetitive is say it you know if you agree with these statements you can raise your hand or do something as a group but we would ask you to not have 100 people come up here and say the same thing um I'd be 300 minutes of the same thing in it the wrecks it's not always a good thing all right you have 15 minutes thank you madam chair good afternoon commission my name is Jane Graham attorney and founder of sunshine city law and I represent Marianne Bishop a neighboring property owner and affected party today KB Homes has the burden to prove with competent substantial evidence that they have met the Pasco County Land Development code under 402.1 402.2 and consistency with the comprehensive plan it's not just parts of it but all of the goals policies and objectives your Planning Commission rejected this proposal based on 13 different criteria and I have them up here for you to look it's obviously I'm not going to read through them all but it just takes one issue with one of the criteria to be rejected since KB Homes has that burden but it wasn't just one thing and so there are lots of things going on and the other thing before we get into this as well is that you were just talking about unanswered questions about the multi-use trail plan well that's an insufficiency in their um their master plan and under 402.2 c5b6 they need to provide a generalized Mobility plan and so again the fact that there is a burden to provide competent substantial evidence that is on KB Homes that's not on any of the objectors here today after the planning commission's recommendation for denial KB Homes tried to change their plan and add a new access point on Collier Parkway I've provided a letter with several legal objections based on the fact that this substantial change bypassed the regular review procedure and omitted

regular required elements of the master plan itself and if if I may Madam chair if I could provide these legal objections right now as evidence that's a second all in favor aye thank you now aside from these legal objections KB Homes is actually directly contradicting what their engineer Robert fudge said at the Planning Commission two months ago an access on Collier doesn't work because it would conflict with the existing stormwater Pond putting the access there means the water would run uphill and the Planning Commission agreed they have failed to provide any evidence today to show otherwise the competent substantial evidence isn't there so you must deny it you are going to hear from Mrs Bishop who's lived on the neighboring property owner for over two decades with her family and transformed the land into not only a home but a sustainability Center and you should know that my client has attempted to work with KB Homes to resolve her issues and be a good neighbor for months prior to being here today she hired a traffic engineer Drew Roark who uncovered several significant flaws in the earlier analysis some of which were fixed and then they have resurfaced in the evidence submitted you have both his November and in August reports so Madam chair I have another packet of evidence I'd like to provide and in that I know it's a little dense and I do apologize yeah so um yeah so and also I want you to know that the planning staff has refused to speak with my client and our team over the last few months to address the flaws in The Proposal despite numerous requests my client is not anti-development she actually owns a construction company can you just pull your mic a little closer I'm kind of having I see some people trying to hear you in the back sure thank you okay thank you my client is not anti-development she owns a construction company actually and she'd like to see a project that complies with the code and comp plan and protect the environmental Integrity of Lake Rosebud and the environmental sub-region connected to the Cypress Creek Watershed she'd also like a conservation easement over the lake which the comprehensive plan actually requires based on the Wetland density incentives which KB Homes has tried to claim you will also hear from members of the community and representatives of a newly formed Coalition of neighbors known as hell no that will speak to the ongoing infrastructure problems and just Pasco has an Innovative code that directs growth in sustainable environmentally sensitive and safe ways we urge you to follow your planning commission's recommendation to deny this and let KB Homes or someone else develop it based on the existing euclidean zoning and with that I'm going to yield the rest of my presentation to Marianne who's going to go through and enter a few other things and by the way this is the site plan which has a couple things that are missing which are in the legal objections so

okay um hi everybody uh Marianne Bishop 22843 Hale Road Landa Lakes three four six three nine um I have with the whole group yes you just have to stay together I don't mean to say that oh okay I'm sorry I think at the last meeting they made us okay sorry uh anyway my name is Marion let me just say I have been sworn as well okay uh my name is Marion Bishop um I along with my husband sunny on the 1980 acre parcel always lived here as she told you for over two decades um and I do support like the property includes a home in the educational center Rosebud Continuum which uh um has a variety of agricultural uses which is also part of my my issue because um there there needs to be we have we have property rights as an agricultural um production but we have um I support the planning commission's recommendations to deny this application based on the 13 different criteria we'll recommend the property be developed using the existing zoning Rosebud has a variety of agricultural uses bee colonies bat and bird houses alternative energy sources uh multiple things we have Educational Center that partners with schools and Community organizations plus we have hosted dignitaries from other countries who come to Rosebud to learn things from us the continued water quality of Rosebud is extremely important it's a naturally occurring Lake and category one Wetland it's been on the map since the oldest map we could find 1847 we also rely on our well as an agricultural facility and the quality of our well water is of utmost importance I offered to buy the parcel with the lake across the lake from KB Homes and offered to buy it from them and put it in a conservation easement because I want to protect the lake in perpetuity they rejected the offer they did not come back with a counteroffer so so they're trying to benefit from the density of do you mind yeah yeah sorry it just won't hurt your time okay yeah make sure that her time can you get into a little more details can you show me I need to know I'd like to know what exact parcel that was do you mind no I don't mind um the parcel you're saying it was there's a part of the pond was it the whole well the parcel that that Northern that North West um parcel is all Lake and protected Wetlands so it is an unbuildable um piece of property okay so not the whole you were looking to build okay so so okay um I gotta find me oh we're up there it's too you need to um that's you above where it says class three Shadow fights West we're directly north of that right hand corner where the lake is there it doesn't go all the way okay it doesn't like it needs to come down a little bit to see the whole piece but if you'll see that parcel um it's class one Wetlands which they have on their plan that they want to put a walkway through it which I highly

highly object to because of the sensitive nature of that Wetlands um it's dangerous for the wetlands it's dangerous for the kids who may go there it's dangerous for the water like the the flood that's those roots as was proven just the other day in our hurricane that where the Sea Oats were replaced on the on the beach it protected the what the the land that's the same thing that these Wetland plants do and to have people be able to walk through that is not a good thing but anyway my thing was I offered to buy it and put it into a conservation easement and and protect it as a conservation easement as Dupree Lakes has done above it and I want to do on our side of the lake I basically want to protect the lake as the original owner of this property Rick requested when we moved in Betty frenzel who was the owner she came over you you were talking about the the gasoline engines and the boat and the lake when we purchased that property she came over and she said this has never had gasoline engines in it and I don't want you to ever do it and I don't want you to ever allow it and I said I'm on board and I'm trying to do that um well thank you I just was curious how much so anyway that was part of it so all right um so KB Homes proposal is incompatible with the zoning of the surrounding properties including mine many which are agriculturally zoned for Rural and environmental uses the staff's post-planning commission report fails to mention any of this address surrounding Agricultural and conservation uses we have farm animals which create noise into some unpleasant smells I don't want to have to endure the constant place from Neighbors who are content to live in a neighborhood with minimal nature to that find reasons to complain about what I'm illegally able to do on my property just recently a neighbor from up the road got in his car to try to find what he thought was a child screaming in pain only to find out that one of my goats was ready for breakfast for reference my goats are always ready for breakfast we also can't keep our bees from and other pollinators from leaving our property because we do raise bees and have honey to go to a neighborhood that is so close that might be using insecticides that will in fact kill part of our crop the surrounding lot sizes are all much larger you can see here here what the lot sizes are up and down hail where very established long established neighborhood as opposed to a lot of the new developments that are going on in large pieces of property this is like trying to fit in something that that is that doesn't fit um it's been stated that I'm not a good neighbor by representatives of KB Homes I dispute that I've been able to work with developers around my property before to come to an agreement here's a letter from Ben Harrell represented Beazer Homes for Dupree Lakes which was built in 2003 where they agreed to eliminate the 40 and 45 foot Lots they reduced the amount from 1100 and

something to 745 all by sitting down and having discussions prior to even going to the Planning Commission I have the letters stating that we all are in agreement we're going to move forward to pre-lakes is I'm still always in contact with if there's Community issues we work together they put the property on the north side of the lake into a conservation easement when we we'd like for that other part of the KB Homes to do that same thing if they build Road Safety is a major issue I'm going to let that go because I know other people have a lot of information on that don't want to have to go through so anyway I want to say that I'm disappointed that I personally had to hire a traffic expert to speak with KB Homes after spotting a few significant issues in their substandard Road analysis KB Homes ultimately had to agree and significantly change their work Pasco County staff was given the same information and did not raise the issue I'm sure you agree that it is unacceptable that as a private citizen I should bear the burden to make sure that these reports are adequately reviewed I would like you to in your packet you'll get the latest November 8th report from the land planner I mean the traffic expert that I had to hire again regarding the Collier Road exit and he says it appears that Collier Parkway is part of the cost feasible plan to be widened to four lanes the planned widening is shown as going to four lane divided highway which means it will have a median the minimum full medium access which would be required for their left turns out on Collier is 660 feet therefore based on the planned Improvement on Collier Parkway this access would not meet the access management standards so I encourage you to review the the traffic consultant that I've hired uh his his report will be in your packet um so after the um let's see it was we talked about them pushing that it's like where they're wanting at the Planning Commission they continued to talk about right in and write out if you go back and listen to that that's all they talked about being the the call your Parkway entrance exit sorry um being right in and write out because of the the close access to hail Collier and to the Sable Ridge exit if that's the case and that's what ends up happening that will do nothing but add more traffic to hail because everybody will have to come down hail to turn right to turn right to get in there um so um anyway let me see what else we got here a little nervous here okay um bottom line I'm asking you to listen to your Planning Commission they rejected this application my neighbors and I have private property rights and your decisions today must follow the criteria to hold developers accountable so that the burden is not passed on to your residence both through tax but also the potential of flooding and further infrastructure disruption we want to be

good neighbors and KB Home says they want to be good neighbors as well to do this KB Homes should follow the recommendation to develop under the existing zoning thank you got everything and actually oh okay and if there's one thing since we have four minutes to sum up I've heard the applicant repeatedly say well we have a land use um we you know our designation for future land use is residential six so we can build all the way to the highest density if you look at Future land use element appendix a-4-2 of the comprehensive plan it says a property owner is not entitled to all zoning classifications or the most potentially dense or intense zoning classification within a land use classification in some cases the application of zoning subdivision environmental and other regulations may result in actual project density less than the maximum permitted by the comprehensive plan the future land use map does not guarantee that maximum densities will be achieved in all cases and does not serve as a substitute density limit in place of any other regulations that would Place further restrictions and or limitations on the development of density of a parcel so I I do want to leave you with that that you know this is a decision that you have today to make your going to hear from all sorts of members of the immediate community in the neighborhood who have specific observations which I would also like to remind you if if you have a layperson testimony and a specific observation that is competent substantial evidence so I ask you to listen and thank you very much for your attention thank you why don't you call the first five people okay and then we'll have you lined up all right I have Emery Bragg followed by Richard Valdez followed by Joyce Bragg Drew broick or rookie met Madam chair before the school speaker she's handing documents so let me say move to receive and file I think we already did that motion all in favor all right so Drew royke Debbie Martinez and Valerie van stronder oh actually Drew York was our traffic engineer but he's unable to come right now so okay oh okay Emily Bragg thank you name an address and whether or not you say it again name address and whether you've been sworn thank you good afternoon I'm Emory Bragg residing at 21842 Hale Road that's about a quarter mile from 41 on Hill Road can you have them I have thank you oh I'm sorry thank you hail road is a sub-standard road which has narrow width and strong curves ditches Lake canals mailboxes fences power poles within a couple feet from the road drivers have enough to watch out for and adding of more traffic is not

what my thought is not too smart on July 16th on this year a motorists knocked down 167 feet of my fence it's no longer good also destroyed a power pole in front of my home after hitting the pole it finally stopped by crashing into my neighbor's fence you need the Florida Highway if you need the Florida Highway incident number I got it I say bringing in this many of new dwellings will destroy the Ambiance we have moved here for three more pulls were just added near the accident site and they are very close such as two feet then you Circle K at the end of 40 uh at Hale Road it just had its fence crashed into first home from 41 on South side has been hit many times I believe if allowing this kind of a project is established in neighborhoods will be the demise of the Small Town neighborhood railroad is a substandard and dangerous please note how your own experts from the Pasco County Engineering Services design division described Hale Road on the last page of its February 2004 Bell Lake Road Extension route study quote an extremely narrow Railway roadway with substandard geometric curvatures without shoulders or adequate drainage all of which is compounded with the extent School Bus traffic unquote and conditions have only gotten worse since 2001. you have nothing minutes and conditions have only gotten worse since 2004 with all the con additional traffic created by the many new housing units that have been added to the area in the last 18 years and the extension of Collier to it Erin cutoff and the closure of Bell Lake Road to truck traffic there are about 50 utility poles in or right on the edge of the required six foot clear Zone next to the payment some located around severe curves that many people take way too fast and that's it thank you oh and I had pictures I got myself sure if that is yeah Richard ebald does two two six four four seals Loop and landlordics Florida I've been sworn in and I'm going to switch it up a little bit you know mine the thing about it is is that I've uh moved from Tampa years ago into this area and uh seemed like the inner city came and followed me over now the thing about it is is that I'm not going to go too much more into detail on that but we I have a chart on there if you don't mind I think it was a it was a fire station response there it is right there uh the uh it moved right on with me and I also serve on the HOA Board of Sable Ridge the uh the thing about it is is that we have substandard response times if you can see this year February uh January and February of this

year we have response times for ambulance for First Responders First Responders almost took three hours for response because they had no ambulance available they had none none whatsoever at those particular days now that is unacceptable to me now if we don't set any allocations for allocations for uh First Responders fire stations and also um the sheriff's office I think was back in March when Sheriff Norco asked for 400 more deputies to share in the responsibility to patrol these areas of concern Hale Road Bell Lake Collier Parkway now whatever you can do I mean it was substandard because we don't have any more additionals uh substations for the sheriffs we didn't allocate or any type of any type of money to uh for our First Responders and our law enforcement to come in and to patrol these areas now we're talking about we're talking about widening roads and going down there and widen roads you can widen them all up but guess what what you're going to have is you're going to make them into nothing but drag strips for these teenagers and if you add any more problems to this even to this day he wanted 400 for the standard of this time much less adding more two the responsibility of our residents to to protect our own property and to protect our own lives and the response time also when I also uh dealing with the sheriffs with the HOA board they were their response time even on the even on the non-emergency number was over 45 minutes to an hour that response times they didn't have anybody in the area they had to pull them off of someplace else so oh that's it thank you very much chairman thank you thank you okay guessing what he had brought up over that was in February there was a peak over those few months it actually went from 17 down to 13 down in May it was down to six days out of the month that there was the utilization um that we were having less ambulances but that three-hour Mark was accumulative throughout the entire day but as of May there was only six days out of the month and they were all lesson accumulative 30 minutes per day and we've also added two new ambulances for peak hour times on September 19th and we're adding two additional peak hour ambulances to help address your concerns and our Sheriff doesn't do substations and we gave in his budget this year money for four is 40 more deputies so he's got money for 40 more deputies so if not okay yeah but we're not going to go back and forth okay so Joyce Bragg and could you ask um give me three more names to line up

there please Joyce Brad Drew royke Debbie Martinez Valerie van strander my name is Joyce Bragg I live on 21842 Hill Road Atlanta lakes and I see this presentation please be sure to say if you were sworn in or not what were you sworn in did you were you sworn in yes thank you on Friday November 4th around 6 45 a.m a garbage truck was attempting to back into Tammany lane from Hill Road the truck failed to complete the sharp turn where the narrow dirt road dropped into a ditch on both sides leaving it stuck in the ditch many other vehicles have gotten stuck in the same location including cars pickup trucks trucks with boats on trailers and even tree trunk that was entering Tammany to clear a lot this location is the school bus stop where Orlando Lakes High School students have been picked up just half an hour before there is no Lighting in the area the way this garbage truck got stuck block Hill Road making it impassable for from either direction cars coming from the East and West were turned down to Deer Hound road but cars from in the East had no place to pull over or turn around once traffic that started backing up some big pickup trucks started turning around in the grass on the side of the road in front of the retention Pond for the all-safe subdivision cars tried to follow with one barely making it another car attempted to cross the grass to get to deerhound but got stuck in the ditch signaling other cars to stop trying a school bus coming from the East tried to turn around in front of the pond but also got stuck a Pasco Deputy arrived on the scene and gave an event number but explained there wouldn't be a report because there wasn't technically a vehicle crash this happens often resulting in an Under reporting of incidents on substandard Hill Road trucks arrived on the scene a larger one pulled the truck garbage truck out first another deputy arrived on the road was blocked in order for it to pull out the school bus the smaller tow truck pulled the stuck vehicle out at Deer Hound ending the ordeal nearly two hours after it had begun by this time middle Pineview middle school students Connerton Elementary students Sanders Memorial Elementary students and Imagine Charter School students would have been waiting at the same corner for buses other Pine to you middle school students would have been walking around walking down hill road as they have no longer received courtesy bussing it may not always be a garbage truck and a school bus but it is commonplace for vehicles to get stuck or crash the majority of the time there is no report made tow trucks are called but law enforcement isn't present just a few short months ago my own fence was badly damaged when a car careened off the road driving right through it a few days ago Emergency Services were called to 22333 Hale Road just east of the incident if Hill Road is blocked as it is was as it

was on November 4th there is no way for emergency services to get through clearly from pictures they can't go through the grass and there is no shoulders no shoulder Hill Road is substandard thank you very much ma'am that's your time okay thank you and um where are the other people that think whose names be called um Drew working I don't know if he's here yet Debbie Martinez yeah but I wanted to call four or five names so they're lying down Valerie van stronder Lily is it Zoo Mary Combs April Wakefield if you could line up behind there please if you want to speak thanks go ahead hi my name is Deborah Martinez I live at 22559 Hale Road and I was sworn in thank you my property is adjacent to where the uh 12 homes are going to be built or 15 homes I haven't gotten a clear message yet directly by my house I mailed everyone out in the commission my presentation today because I knew that I was only given three minutes and I wasn't going to get through this but I do want to clue in on a couple of things you'll see up on this board some real conditions that happened on Hale Road the young lady in front of ahead of me did say that a lot of things weren't reported and that's true where we live my son lives directly in front of me on that property and they frequently pull out cars and trucks out of ditches there the latest one you'll see a crash there she didn't realize that there was a ditch with water in it because the grass was grown in water and so she got stuck and that happens often I have personally been privy to accidents that have happened in that road to my family I know they don't count what happens on hail and Collier or Hale and 41 but I'm going to tell you a young lady distracted turning on two hail to take the shortcut her words to 41 crashed into my niece totaled her car my niece her husband and my two great nieces ages seven and four were taken by ambulance to the hospital terrible accident my niece is still recovering the little ones still have panic attacks and their husband still has issues from the accident so yes maybe it wasn't on hell she was turning on to hail so yes those axes do happen and I have many more listed in this document and you'll see many more here that happen the schools walking these kids scare me to death in the morning they're walking on a road on the road because they can't walk in the ditches or on the water and they cars are passing them literally I have some pictures where they're just barely enough room to get by and these kids are walking in the dark every morning sometimes or in the afternoon it's not a good situation on hail Road there's too many cars on there now the flooding that occurs in my home which you'll also see on this video is already significant we realized that there were orange growths that had to be

removed so we left plenty of property between my sons and my home so that water could evaporate and go away we still have standing water right next to it is where they want to bring in all these homes I asked a gentleman at the first meeting and they said this wasn't true but he's sitting right there with the glasses and I said I already have fluffy if you put all these houses in his worst me where we are bringing in 10 or 15 feet of fill so we'll grade it off so it flows away from your house what Jennifer I mean thank you very much yes I just okay come on before I begin do I enter can I enter this into the record it's Communications from this point okay I didn't hear what she said but uh all in favor aye okay okay speak into that Mike my name is Valerie van stronder I have been sworn in I live at 22240 Hale Road okay this plan is not consistent with our way of life most of us have large properties some are zoned for agriculture we have chickens goats and horses on this road I live on about a half an acre in my yard is one of the smallest on hail there are no 40 to 50 foot Lots on hail commissioner Starkey at the October 11th meeting you mentioned a commissioner more that you plan to take a drive through our area I'm glad that you were able to do that you also expressed a lack of enthusiasm for 40-foot Lots while maintaining they have their place well this isn't it and at the September 22nd hearing with the Planning Commission Mr Moody said I'm done with 40 foot lots and I'm done with 50-foot Lots Mr William agreed saying I don't like the 40 and 50 foot Lots either this is a rural community I'm a native of Land of Lakes most of us live here for the Green Space rural charm and Country feel Landa Lakes used to truly represent pasco's Open Spaces vibrant places but we're in danger of losing it because some people think green spaces are just donuts waiting to be filled now I'm not anti-development I just believe property rights should exist for everyone impacted and all of us who live in the area will be negatively affected by this we should matter to not just the sellers and those who stand the profit I have developers Brokers and attorneys in my immediate family who make a living from development here in Pasco I respect what they do I appreciate hospitals roads and good food but I also appreciate a quick response time when I call 9-1-1 we have such a shortage of 911 operators First Responders teachers and bus drivers that they've considered calling in the National Guard we can't even sustain our current population I used to work at Connerton Elementary which is the district where I live though it's seven miles away while Pineview Elementary is just two one of the reasons for these boundaries is overcrowding most of the schools in our area have Portables nobody wants their child to have to walk through the rain to switch classes go to lunch or go to the bathroom and unfortunately we have to recognize the

modern danger kids face in a portable during an active shooter situation due to shortages we also have kids walking almost two miles to school in the elements in our area that means without a sidewalk or any safe place to walk the ditches on hail are impassable due to flooding and weeds so these kids have no choice but to walk in the middle of the road and the planning hearing Mr Girardi questioned whether it was worth one kid and admitted not if it was his well not mine either and our kids going to be Crossing hail to get from one of these parts of the neighborhood to the other there's Parks because that's not going to be safe we have developments going up all around us including under a mile from the proposed development as an army veteran I appreciate tunnels to Towers but I feel for the gold star moms that will have to send their kids to school on foot over a mile away because they have to work and we have no buses we just don't have the infrastructure to sustain this growth right now I've contacted the Pasco County School Board requesting input they've shared data regarding school capacity bussing and shortages as you can see from the data all the schools in the relevant boundaries are frozen for school choice which effectively means there is no choice we have 49 bus driver shortages the so-called solution to this problem eliminates 152 courtesy rides for Pineview middle school students and 161 for Lando Lakes High School buses are still full they're late nearly every day before and after school I can't get a clear answer as to whether courtesy buses will be available for elementary next year there must be a better solution although the school board has been helpful in providing answers to some of my questions I'm still waiting for response to others for instance the data shows relatively small numbers for the projection of new students it is imperative that all these new developments be included in the counts but it doesn't appear the numbers reflect that in the Planning Commission hearing on September 22nd regarding this input Mr Williams reported a projected number of 20 elementary students 11 middle school students and 14 high school students just for this development if that's the count from this one new development how do the numbers provided by the school board account for all of the new developments Aaron Mill pristine Lake banjo Lake the data doesn't make sense how can you make decisions based on incomplete data please listen to the recommendations of your Planning Commission as Mr Moody said you don't have to approve every input application this development is unsafe and compatible inconsistent unsustainable and underplanned I respectfully request that you just deny this mpud all right thank you she got a lot in fact I'm sorry but you can't do that in here that Madam chair we have bailiffs here so no clapping and noises from the states Madam chair yeah I think we found

someone who could talk faster than Mike Moore and a lot in good afternoon my name is Lily zoo and I have not been sworn in nor have my two classmates who will be speaking for two minutes okay we're gonna stop for a second anyone who wants to speak and hasn't been sworn in you need to raise your hand and we're going to swear in everybody who has not otherwise will be here till tomorrow okay that's it okay okay go ahead and stand if you're going to be sworn in okay please raise your right hands do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth so help you God I do okay how about in the back I didn't hear you okay thank you all right you may proceed good afternoon my name is Lily zoo and I live on 19245 Falcon Crest Boulevard I'd like to start by thanking you for watching our previous meeting with the Planning Commission board we as students appreciate our opportunity for our voices to be heard it is an honor to represent those of the over 2000 student stakeholders at Land O'Lakes high school next to Hale Road our team has researched our County's Land Development code and thus we would like to briefly share some of our observations with its inconsistencies in relation to this rezoning I would also like to share that personally I am an aspiring scientist and current scientific journal Club president who wants to commit myself for our future and I would like to thank all County scientists the planning Commissioners and Mr Moore and Mr Taylor for our conference call from contact with the southwest Florida Water Management District there are currently no data collection stations nor permit for the lake by the Continuum yet Land O'Lakes High School is right near Hill Road with over 2 260 students as the biggest school of our County with new to heavy daily congestion I speak with a strained teachers and staff who work very hard every day to make sure us students needs are addressed this picture does not come close to the severely strained infrastructure three years ago as a freshman living two miles from school 2.5 miles from school it took about seven minutes to get to school in the morning it is now over 20 minutes I am concerned for the safety of not just myself my peers and my staff of our school but also in our community as evacuations and emergency situations may become more difficult during our fire drills the crowding in the hallway crams us together every day many of us have to take detour routes from the back of the school by the dumpsters and parking lot to get to get to most of our classes because of the crowded hallways much more personal and concerning experiences of safety are contained in the 200 student letters I have sent you we would like to see all inconsistencies with criteria 402.1 and 402.2 of the Pasco Land Development code completely

resolved I also spend hours at a time with my classmates by Hale Road on the rosebud continuums property its unique value growing character proximity to the natural lake and the neighboring historical longleaf pine habitat have made it unique as we Pasco students volunteer and learn about nature we view the sensitive species the Rosewood had worked for years upon years to preserve such as the South American Kestrel and the diverse bats and Gardens with novel research there we are able to pursue our Curiosities and dreams for a better future I would like to see proof today that all criteria of the Pasco County comprehensive plan and Land Development code are met thoroughly I hope to be part of the movement for a solution I trust that the decision for the integrity and prioritization of our safety and future will be made today thank you for listening to our voices wow thank you good jokes okay next Mary Combs supposed to receive a file second favorite all right did you want to say something more I have two classmates who are scheduled to come oh you want to be in sequence yeah are you trying to be in Secrets do you guys mind okay they should be in line all right next we have ajinkya okay if you guys have like a rolling presentation you need to be in line one after the other okay uh can I start name and address and then for the record that you've been sworn my name is I live at 3510 Hickory hammock Loop Wesley Chapel and I have been sworn in as a student driver my friends and I including friends from sports teams and buses know the extent to which infrastructure is congested when I do have to take the bus home it is overcrowded the bus fills up in a matter of minutes my friends and I often have to squeeze in three to a seat while the bus seats are only made for two people furthermore sometimes we even have to sit on the floor of the bus because of electric seats this really impacts our learning environment and quality of life as a student as a young driver I was planning on going through a hail Road in order to reach my school faster but my parents have not allowed me to starting section 402.1 E6 and 402.2 F2 in the Pasco County Land Development code the congestion resulting from the development may result in higher traffic on Hill Road which is a one-way a one-lane road with hard traffic on the one lane road I fear probably the probability of an accident occurring will increase knowing that some of my friends and even some of the buses from my school use Hill Road I worry for their safety acidity before it is isn't just my Groupons but not of many students in Land O'Lakes have been hit by the letters we have received regarding the same issue I am by no means against development however I

would like to also see this development completely meet all the criteria the Pasco land Pasco County Land Development code as a student's stakeholder I look forward to carefully planned decisions to allow for the brightest outlooks of every member of our community and land use thank you for your consideration all this important important subject sir did you sign up I just want to make sure I check your name off uh I don't think so okay okay I just didn't I want to make sure I get through everyone um hello my name is Rashid chanvas and I'm from 2551 gross Haven yeah yes okay um hello my name is Rashid chambas and I'm from 2551 rosehaven Drive Wesley Chapel um and I saw that you said but you have to say it for the record that you were sworn oh yes and uh thank you go ahead um hello and thank you for giving me the opportunity to talk today I am Melinda Lakes High School senior and vice president of the scientific journal Club as an aspiring Doctor Who is passionate about people and our surrounding our safety and our health is the basic basis and Foundation of Our Lives I know friends parents who work for the sheriffs and health departments near Hale and Lando Lakes and the strain and the strain these systems are under must be helped as a student who's lived in Pasco County for all of my life I've come to very much love the nature and the wildlife that it contained our surroundings the Lakes the wildlife and all of us are intercouraged interconnected one way or the other this is of Great Value to everyone everyone I know and talk to greatly loves the wetlands Lakes cypresses anyone from young children to old retired veterans who have served for our country and are safety and as I read their letters for you I realize this further I personally also love the fresh air quiet scenery and Clear Lake of Rosebud Continuum I feel that the rosebud is one of the remaining environmental Oasis in the sprawling County with high density development possibly coming to this location I fear that it will greatly affect the environment animals and people living here for example in Wiregrass I saw that as the population increased so did the number of um roadkill and other on yeah roadkill I hope that the lakes and endangered and non-endangered animals and fauna at the rosebud Continuum is protected overall like the other student stakeholders I would like to see all criteria met for our best decisions now I would like to end our school's message on a positive and hopeful note thank you and goodbye thank you good job now I had a presentation Madam chairman commissioner Ty and Mary Coombs I live at 22715 Neff Court that's in Sable Ridge and I have them sworn in in a nutshell our infrastructure we have now is broken and there are a number of issues involved Sable Ridge if you look at some of these has expanding Road depressions repeated open holes in the roads and easements

and burst and leaking underground pipes and examples when a neighbor stepped through the pavement while playing football the county fixed it in 2019 and this summer a hole opened up in the road again in the same location just on my street alone there's been five places where road crews have had to come out and repair underground pipes past Coast storm water said the entire Street needs to have piping replaced Sable Ridge residents on the south side of Hell Road are already having multiple problems with displaced water issues due to land being elevated on neighboring streets this is called flooding soil erosion and standing border and yards largely due to misplaced displaced water with our current drainage problems where's the Overflow from the new construction you're going to go and who takes responsibility and the model they choose to use even would cause more flooding and erosion excuse me KB Homes now plans to put their southern exit onto Collier this will undoubtedly create a dangerous bottleneck from Collier and a tremendous amount of frustrated drivers who so only exit out of the streets and subdivisions by turning onto Collier as it is now you oftentimes have to gun it to try to merge onto Collier with heavy School Bus traffic on Collier frustrated drivers have been seen going around stopped school buses that had their lights out and their lights flashing in the sign out this is not acceptable I received an email from Angry mother who could not be here today but said that she started using her phone to video Cars and Trucks as their passing buses that have stopped to load and unload students unfortunately we do not have enough sheriffs to patrol nor enough bus drivers to accommodate our students Megan Harding on the school board recently stating that lasted school bus drivers is a huge safety issue another issue I'd like to address is the available and cost of reclaimed water when reclaimed water is low especially during the drought lack of water pressure put strains on everyone and indeed restricted subdivision lightsaber Ridge that has long requirements increased demands on these will have a negative impact on the surrounding areas because of our current infrastructure problems and not wanting to make a bad situation worse we respectfully submit that you deny the rezoning request for hell Road thank you I think candelaro Betty candelaro Mike delapena and Danny Martinez he's got some documents move to received safe all in favor aye okay my name is April Wakefield I live at 3545 Lake Padgett Drive Atlanta Lakes Florida my parents bought in 1970 in Lake Padgett I returned left there as an adult came back lived there now I have been sworn in I've cut this up quite a bit but um basically as we've discussed there are conditions on Hill Road that uh and Collier that are a great concern and

just moving it to Collier is not eliminating or alleviating the problem because people are going to cut down hail to get to 41. that's the fastest route on it is especially dangerous either hail or Collier during the traffic school traffic times and peak times Collier Parkway is a two-lane road all the way up to hail to just south of Parkway Boulevard on and off sidewalks the proposal to add an Ingress egress onto Colliers especially Grievous as most of the streets and subdivisions along Collier only have one exit we all exit on to Collier so getting in and out in an event emergency a disaster or any other situation or getting emergency vehicles in there becomes a difficult time when you're so backed up the pictures that I handed out show off peak times not school times regular times I'm driving down the street and it's backed up so the proposal I already heard that one okay um parents are even standing out in the street during times to get their kids on and off of the school bus acting as crossing guards because there's no nobody there and this cars are going so fast um a student we don't want to be like Pinellas County where a student and Largo in a small subdivision was killed in August going to the school bus stop so um it's it's very very dangerous and as you mentioned earlier Madam chairman this is a huge Road grid issue and a concern for the entire Community because this is a small road and it has hundreds of developments going into it not hundreds but nearly um this includes developments that we'll use Collier Parkway uh tunnels to talliers the tunnels to per Towers the banjo Lake development Alpine Road and Bell Lake development pristine Lakes Aaron Mills and the multitude of other developments off of Aaron Road the residents and uh of Dupree Lakes Wilderness lakes and Caliente already used Collier and 54 and hail to exit those two areas the traffic is unbelievable it is out of control and providing another approval for another development and it's adding more traffic um I respectfully request and implore you to deny the hell rezoning request and do not make any further decision that will make our situation worse there's a school around the corner I was emailing the school districts there's no sidewalks there um go ahead I'm dick candelora I live on Pinewood Loop a dead end Street off hail Road I have been sworn the Planning Commission recommended that you deny this project the customer violates 13 different sections of the LDC and the comp plan the developer made a change to the project after that denial but it makes the situation worse the change is moving the access for the homes that lie south of Hill Road from Hale to Collier Parkway you've heard a

lot about the traffic related problems two new left-hand terms are going to have to be made on Collier but you haven't been told about is that it creates a serious drainage problem to accommodate the Collier access the drainage Pond has to be moved from its natural location at the lowest point on the property to a higher Point further south now KB Homes didn't propose this it was brought up by attorney Goldstein during the Planning Commission hearing and when the KD homes representative would ask about it he said that the engineers that they had hired from Florida Land Design had and I quote looked at that and ruled that out due to Wetland impacts and The Limited Frontage and the spacing requirements of the code when Mr Goldstein persisted the KB Homes engineers and the two Engineers on the Planning Commission Mr Mooney and Mr Girardi pointed out you need to have the drainage Bond at the lowest point on the property because that's where water flows the KB Homes engineer said moving the pond from its present location would reduce its ability to capture drainage because you're trying to move water uphill he also said moving the pond would disrupt its connection to the Natural drainage system of the area now this change creates the three problems the one supposed benefit is minimal they are only projecting a 10 reduction in the number of their cars going from their project to State Road 41. they made it sound like they're not going to be using anyone 41. if you look at their new projection it used to be 50 of the cars going there now it's 40 it's only a 10 reduction and even that is unsupported the 40 reduction is based on a discredited study which after we pointed out the problems with it they reverted back they did a new one and made it up to 50 percent why they went back to the 40 I don't know they don't give a reason they they just say it's because we move the access but they don't say why moving the access would change the percentages at all so in short an unacceptable project has been made worse and it should be rejected thank you thank you okay call up three more people after all right I believe this is Betty candelaro we have Mike Della Penna followed by Danny Martinez Denna is it thank you Betty candelora 21860 Piney Wood Loop I have been swarmed um my street intersects hail Road flew 1.10 of the comp plan says a property owner is not entitled to the most potentially dense or intense zoning classification within a land use designation rather a number of factors must be evaluated to determine whether the proposed project is appropriate for the parcel including existing uses of land and existing development patterns and approved development in the area this project should be rejected because the proposed lot widths of 40 to 50 feet are much smaller than the lot widths in the existing developments that have been

improved in the area at the Planning Commission meeting I testified that I had reviewed the map on the Property Appraiser's website and counted eight subdivisions that have been approved along Hale Road they contain 157 Lots which are all at least 80 feet wide during rebuttal the developers representative said Sable Ridge the subdivision to the south on Collier Parkway should also be considered since it backs up to the subject property so I looked at those lots on the property appraisers website they average at least 60 feet in width this shows that the existing pattern of development for the area entails Lots which average 70 feet wide in stark contrast the average width of a lot in the proposed project is 45 feet they want to cram three homes into the space where the existing approved projects only have two this is inconsistent with the approved development pattern in the area and therefore conflicts with the review criteria in the Land Development code requiring wider therefore fewer Lots is particularly critical since as you've heard Hale Road is substandard two-lane roadway which is already dangerous the map on the screen shows where my street Piney wood it's it's the it's the gray road on the top it's a dirt road where it intersects with with hail um people on hail can't see me when I pull out it's such a sharp angle there and a curve they can't see me when I pull out and I can't see them until they come around the bend so if you add 500 trips per day and you will create about a hundred and eighty thousand opportunities per year for serious injury or worse flu 1.10 says you should not let development get ahead of the infrastructure approving 109 new housing units would do that thank you thank you thank you hi my name is Mike delapan I live at 23005 Mayfair Road in Lake Padgett East I've lived there for 32 years and yes I have been sworn in thank you thank you just basically I work in Tampa most of the time three times in the last three months I've been on 41 going south from Hale Road because I take hail Road out to 41 all the time and the traffic has been backed up to the Circle K so we all know or at least I believe you know that 41 and 54 intersection is a disaster and at the Planning Commission meeting um I stated I didn't think that any more developments should be approved period until the roads are improved in particular Collier Parkway now the reality of it all is is this um Collier Parkway was supposed to be widened in 2024 at the planning meeting somebody in the Planning Group said that Hale Road wasn't on the list of having anything done to improve it until 2040. I don't see that happening and I

probably won't be around when it does but to Mr Oakley's point until recently we had three cars and to get in and out of our driveway we had to park you know either on the street or in the yard and deep restricted communities somebody would come along and you'll get a letter and you shouldn't do that too so to Mrs starkey's point you know it's the same thing Collier is going to be widened now I understand there's been a virus and things have been pushed back it's understandable it's causing problems everywhere uh and then last but not least you know once again to commissioner Moore's statement about a teenager driving he's probably got the same issues with cars and moving around too so um that's all I have to say the the traffic coming south on 41 is a disaster more often than not three cut through points Aaron cutoff where the tunnels to Tower project is going hail road which is you know what we're talking about is a dangerous road we know and then Bell Lake uh that traffic is all going to converge on Collier Parkway and I see it eventually if they do any construction there going through Lake Padgett and going down Parkway to get you know past the construction so you're going to have people speeding through our neighborhood eventually it's got to happen so I I just think you're making a mistake if you approve this project because it's we need to stop somewhere and have some common sense and plan for the future and that includes infrastructure thank you for your time thank you hello I'm Danny Martinez I live on 22559 Hale Road I have been sworn in and I am a retired 30-year fire captain because I have something to say about this coming out I need to enter these uh signed petitions in a second all in favor aye seven my game plan is sort of changed now that we're going to go ahead and put this out now and on Collier what's going to what's going on in the corner there of Collier and Hale Road that's going to go commercial I'm telling you what's going to go on with that pound that they're going to put a road right through to go on the Collier we're going to move that pond okay that exit is really close to that intersection okay that's trouble next thing there's one there's one one exit on the Collier right next to that intersection 68 plus homes again retired fire cap and I'm here to tell you that one entrance and exit to the development like that is not good that is dangerous now I'll go to my part again let's keep buying what's going to happen in that corner because they're

holding that piece out yeah telling you all right hail road is a substanding road we all know that kids are walking to the buses there is no infrastructure as you all know the fire station in the corner is not a fire station it is a supply division for Pasco County Fire so there is not a fire station there closest fire station is up on 56 or 54. long ways so don't don't think that fire station is open it is closed I measured the roads the road is eight foot wide my long trailer is a little over eight feet those school buses are right there and if you'll see these school buses are straddling that double line coming down the road we got 30 to 40 at least traveled school buses a day on that road at least dropping kids off we've got three places to drop off pick up for school kids look at this young lady look at that would you want your kid to walk with that because there it is and that's in the daytime she got out of school imagine that girl walking at 6 30 in the morning at night by that Pope look there they are they're at night getting on the bus crossing the street getting on the bus all those cars behind it I know now we're going to move this thing now to Collier but I'm here to tell you unloading up all these houses these people on that Collier so close to that intersection and folks I am going to predict that that corner is going commercial and there will be a 7-Eleven gas station something that's going to be right next to that exit that exit of that subdivision how are we going to do that so close to the intersection we're gonna have people turning left and right on the on on the uh thank you okay yeah call five more minutes so um following we have I think um is it Lars Rootin doll Gary rootendal okay Dr Thomas colehan Annalee uh I don't have a name I have email addresses I can't hear you Michaela McMahon thank you I see the name under me um Kendall Jackson Richard Somerville and Julia is it burnt to next all right I don't I believe you must be um Miss dinner Dina Dina okay go ahead I do have one picture you're ready go ahead okay my name is Dina marisi I live at 22729 Neff Court I have been sworn in well the picture will be relevant at the end I'm gonna go way far off of where everybody's gone so please just be

patient and it'll all come together at the end um traditional models used to study Road choices and routes assumed that people are well informed and have all the information needed to make decisions about the routes that they choose the results have been challenged for the ability to capture realistic results due to insights from the field of psychology human Choice Behavior has been shown to produce imperfect systems studies show that human perception even if not accurate has a huge impact on the decisions that we make valid studies performed within the last one to six years utilized GPS navigation systems to assist in capturing realistic data essentially the end data shows that people prefer to drive where they are most comfortable in other words based on personal perception a study in 2017 showed that General decisions that rely on personal perception can be influenced by the physical resistance encounter to make those to get to the end result and that people more often choose the path of least resistance so why does any of this matter in this case we can put this all together and we can conclude that because of personal perception is involved when we drive we cannot possibly accurately predict where people are going to drive on what road they're going to choose to drive because it involves personal perception personal choice so we can study it and retrospect which is what the planners have done and we can predict what we think people are going to do when they drive but we cannot really accurately show where people are going to drive so they've done studies the planners of this development on what they think people are going to drive when they put an exit here or an exit there but they don't know where they're gonna go the studies that they've relied on they have not taken into account the developments that have already been approved further on at Parkway Boulevard that traffic has not been included so the new proposed turn waves they're great but they don't mitigate the fact that the whole hail Road has been determined to be sub-optiman exiting onto Collier doesn't mean that people are going to stay on there I personally get the heck off Collier as quick as I can and this picture I purposely drove this way on Sunday you can see the time at 1 30 in the afternoon this is Collier in 54. I'm in the right lane that's the turn lane you can see how far backed up this is on a Sunday afternoon I moved into Sable Ridge in 2017. I used to drive on Collier get out turn right that's the way I went I now Drive Hale Road as my preferred preference because it is the path of least resistance for me I get out of my subdivision which is in Sable Ridge I turn left on Collier and I go right downhill Road I drive the speed limit but that's my perceived preferred route because Collier is crazy to drive on

thank you for your time [Applause] hello Thomas culhane 4202 East Fowler Avenue I have been sworn in good afternoon I'm a National Geographic Explorer and professor at USF Tampa I have a master's in urban planning from UCLA and honors ba from Harvard and I request oh a PhD sorry I have a PhD and a master's I shouldn't forget that and I request that you recommend denial of this application I've just returned from presenting world-class development bright spots at the international Urban Health Institute conference in Spain where the mayor and planner stated strongly that we have a clear choice either we build healthier and more sustainable and safe and resilient communities or we build more hospitals and jails this proposal is neither healthy nor safe for Pasco residents nor sustainable at the rosebud Echo Science Center a jewel for Pasco County on a weekly basis for six years I've conducted landscape research habitat restoration and Wildlife surveys work on invasive species removal and repatriation of Florida native wildlife and spending time at the rosebud school I can tell you that the public our students are many participating groups and organizations and our International visitors rely on the existing zoning and Rural character of this neighboring property the petitioners for this unsustainable development plan insist that this region in Pasco was a donut hole that must be filled with dense housing they told me to prevent sprawl elsewhere we the people see the area as a vital Oasis part of the national Lily Pad network of resiliency hubs a sanctuary a last refuge for wildlife a green space for families and animals and plants to coexist and improve the quality of life in our region now comprehensive plan objective 1.4 of the future land use elements States development should quote ensure the long-term sustainability and viability of residential neighborhoods by regulating future development to create compatibility with surrounding land uses end quote today's application is incompatible in conflicts with the countries that the County's mpud which is quote to encourage Innovations in residential and non-residential development and quote provide options and incentives designed to protect the rural character of the county end quote here the proposal is a Suave of densely built 40 and 50 foot lot homes less than half the width required in current zoning covering roughly double the land the current zoning allows now I've worked on Innovative Urban Design projects that meet the living building challenge 4.0 and this proposal doesn't on the world stage we know that we can be far more Innovative than this embarrassingly outdated proposal Pasco County's policy for future land use 1.2.23 actually encourages the establishment of incentives for developments that incorporate Green Building principles into project design and implementation and as of yet our conversation with KB Homes on green

building techniques have left us empty-handed and they've told us they don't want or need to talk to the community any further KB Homes claims that they're entitled to the full density and as we heard from our lawyer Jane that's just not true considering the environmental benefits features the land and potential for flooding runoff from toxins and Lawns and cars the density KB Homes is striving for cannot be achieved without harming its present surrounding use now please don't understand we want this area to grow but we want it to grow in the right way in a healthy way the Pasco County's strict standards and we want it to grow like Babcock Ranch that show that pass goes ahead of the game when it comes to safety and resiliency so you've got a great reputation for Innovations please deny this unimaginative proposal today and demand that out of town developers meet the county strict and Innovative standards thank you very much no um I'd like to submit my speech into evidence as I have an appendix with references I would like to remind you guys um we're killing lots of trees today for an envirability conscious group I normally don't use paper but it's the easiest for many people I'm Michaela McMahon I live on 15109 Buckhorn court and I have been sworn in I'm a master's student at USF in the College of Public Health as well as a volunteer at Rosebud we are here today to discuss the proposed rezoning of property at the corner of hail and Collier I'm not opposed to development but I am opposed to unsustainable development in areas that lack proper Public Health oversight and the promotion of healthy built environments such as improper Transportation infrastructure via walking and biking for pedestrians notably school-aged residents and access to local jobs these factors as with many others not mentioned have a profound impact on the quality of life of Pasco residents to Echo the Supreme Court decision granting zoning constitutional legitimacy zoning is designed to promote the health and safety of the community to start the built environment plays a key role in pedestrian safety however according to the national highway traffic safety administration Florida consistently ranks among the worst and pedestrian safety in contiguous sidewalks which is what is being proposed for Hail contributes to such poor ratings Urban Design of the built environment takes many factors into consideration such as transportation and safety and should accommodate to the diverse needs of its residents consequently with Harold being characterized as a substandard road failing to meet standards set by the Pasco County Land Development code and the comprehensive plan it falls short of successful Urban Design and meeting the needs of residents especially school-age residents the addition of this development will only exacerbate the

existing pedestrian safety issues that are attributed to hail substandard conditions such as kids waiting in dishes ditches for their school bus or walking or biking on the road due to there being no sidewalks available studies show that a pedestrian crash along a roadway is 1.67 Times Higher when there is no sidewalks as opposed to when there is one this development will only increase the inequity school age residents already face secondly access to local jobs positively affects the health of residents and of the local economy that's thus contributing to a healthy built environment however findings from a strategic analysis done by the Tampa Bay Region uh Regional planning Council found that Pasco County has the longest commute in the Tampa Bay area of 32 minutes Pasco County has the lowest jobs to employed resident ratio balance in the Tampa Bay area with 70 percent of employed residents are working outside the county these statistics pose serious Public Health repercussions such as decreasing local air quality and decreasing overall traffic safety for residents commuting long hours and an automobile and for pedestrians to offset these issues David Ingle the economic growth director of Pasco County iterated and quote we need 150 000 jobs to meet a one-to-one ratio that is a substantial amount of jobs and well over our pipeline end quote in his presentation of the Strategic analysis overall a shift in focus from needing more housing to needing more local jobs is pertinent in conclusion I ask that the rezoning of property does not receive approval and that a focus on increasing healthy built environments through Mitigation Of Transportation infrastructure and increasing access to local jobs takes precedence thank you next uh Richard Somerville 16205 Larson Lane I have been sworn Hudson in 2014 Naomi Klein's book this changes everything capitalism versus the climate was published in chapter 5 she describes what some political scientists call extractivism she defines extractivism as quote and non-reciprocal dominance-based relationship with the Earth One purely of taking it is the opposite of stewardship which involves taking but also taking care of that regeneration and future life continue unquote at first I thought of extractivism as only removing resources from inside the Earth as she described but then I realized that extractivism can also describe what is happening in many places here in Pasco County that is the extraction from existence more or less permanently of vaswasa forest or agricultural land with little concern for the life that is being destroyed a case in point is the hail Collier proposal one troubling aspect of this proposal is a number of constructed ponds around existing Wetlands south of Hale Road these constructed ponds are shown to

encroach on the 25-foot Wetland buffer in some cases building a pond next two Wetlands will tend to dewater the wetlands during dry periods this will probably stress and kill some of the Wetland plants and make the wetlands dysfunctional constructed ponds will probably not serve as a replacement for the wetlands thus there will be a net loss of wetland function from this project the other troubling aspect is a 10 is 10 foot between houses I think that I don't know if that's changed yet changed from the Planning Commission meeting wouldn't it be better to save this 10 foot by building townhouses which our house is sharing walls another possibility is building condos these Alternatives would allow the same number of dwelling units in the smaller area thus allowing some land to remain natural this would allow the Wetland buffers to be enlarged and remain intact with a common wall with your neighbor save in energy costs I visited several websites and it seems in most circumstances townhouses use less energy than detached houses thus helping with climate change I have a closing quote there will be no end to the troubles to the Troubles of states or of humanity itself till philosophers become Kings in this world or till those who we now call Kings and rulers really and truly become philosophers the political power and philosophy thus come and political power and philosophy thus come into the same hands Plato please deny the zoning changes please get advice from philosophers thank you okay um can you call four more people if we handle sure um Kendall Jackson was missed I'm assuming this might be Julia of Kendall okay thank you Julia burtonek yes I've been sworn hold on just like let me get some more Daniel to carowind Caraway Cairo I don't know thank you the signature gets smaller um Sunny Bishop Nelson Herbert Christina laroca you may proceed yeah I have been sworn my name is Julia bartonet2645 Meadowood Drive New Port Richey 34655 and I'm also requesting to submit for public a record of this meeting a previous speaker's documents that did not get to received on favor aye thank you this is to urge you to vote no on item p 92 whereas goal 7 of the natural resource conversation conservation and management element of the county comprehensive plan provides that the county will be a leader in environmentally sustainable government operations a proponent of smart and sustainable growth management practices and we'll have a strong economy supported by sound environmental principles programs and practices the Sierra Club at Pasco County Conservation committee urges this committee commission to vote

no the development would have a significant adverse impact on the area natural ecology and Quality of Life Sierra club's opposition is united with concerns of many residents both within the area and outside of it additionally it's reflective of concerns for the voiceless animals and Wildlife living in and near the planned development the development will destroy a healthy ecosystem killing coils to die countless native plants and animals including wild turkeys gopher tortoises whose Burrows provide habitat to 360 species Central cranes opossums owls Hawks and other threatened and endangered species whereas objective 3.3 of the County's strategic plan calls for protecting and proving the quality of our water air and other natural resources other negative impacts are worthy of note and they are not congruent with the County's strategic plan as follows these include impacts on water quality and the Cypress Creek well field impacts on other lakes in the area impacts on well water impacts on drainage impacts on quality of life whereas the county is developing a sustainability and facility action plan to promote organizational and community-based system sustainability and resiliency activities and program programming in alignment with the County's strategic plan structure and operations and services ecologically sound practices like those that exist at the wonderful Rosebud Continuum Educational Center ought to be treasured this unique centers next to pristine Lake that hopefully will be preserved from surrounding developments Roseburg Continuum Center helps disabled and intellectually challenged children and adults along with both public and private schools to include usf's padell College of sustainability students who learn about and study sustainability practices healthy ecosystems and biomes again the Sierra Club Pasco conservation committee is strongly opposed to item p92 and urges you to vote your community's conscience on this item vote no this proposed development is not just not in the right place at the right time it is in the wrong place for all time thank you thank you for listening please have the submitted record all in favor hello I'm going to read I'm a field scientist of public speaking is not my thing we need your name and address and if you use one my name is Kendall Jackson I've been sworn in I live in 4847 Canterbury Drive a few hundred feet from the intersection of hail and Collier no affiliation unfortunately I'm a registered I'm sorry could you speak into the mic closer thank you I'm a registered professional archaeologist I work for uh which means I have a masters in archeology um and have conducted uh different types of archaeological work I work at USF and also for a number of regional cultural resources consulting firms I'm also a lifelong resident of Land of Lakes the community encompassing the hail Collier project area as a scientist a cultural resources

professional and a Community member I'm obligated to speak and act in opposition to the proposed rezoning as you are aware chapter 800 of the Pasco LDC as well as chapter 267 of the Florida Statutes require that the county dutifully consider and work to prevent or mitigate impacts to the archaeological historical and cultural resources by any mpud activities because Pasco has no cultural resources office the heritage of our county is too often written off and destroyed after being being given short shrift by profit-driven Consultants I could speak to that firsthand as has been found by several compliance archaeologists working in the area this project area exhibits a high probability for ancient and historic indigenous settlements and cemeteries well indeed recorded an unrecorded native sites have been found along the perimeter of the project area during previous work Native American cemeteries are particularly likely along the margins of the Lake's Cypress Wetlands which are destined as was just said for stormwater pond dredging the project area is located a short distance south of the late 19th to early 20th century Mill Town of Erin which was run by upwards of a thousand black forestry workers many of whom established homesteads south of the Millworks in the direction of the project area late 19th century patents show homesteaders on the project area who typically developed family cemeteries that infamously evade Hasty and poorly designed archaeological surveys which had become all too common state survey guidelines deferred to by the LDC require testing at 20 meter intervals throughout high probability areas as well as a dutiful search for ancient historic cemeteries an adequate survey must also identify and consider the significance of historical roadways such as Hill Road as well as rural historic Landscapes such as the corridor of AG residential Parcels along Hale Road can this board certify that it has dutifully considered potential impacts to the cultural heritage of our County where is the survey was it adequate what is the plan for detecting and dealing with agent and historical cemeteries local histories indicate that at least two small historic period cemeteries are likely on the property the disturbance of unmarked cemeteries by any mqd activity will constitute a felony under chapter 872 of the Florida Statutes KB Homes and their Consultants should consider themselves dutifully notified thank you all right and my emails there I can be reached there if you have questions thank you if you don't mind sir the next one we're going to call the gentleman with the cane so he doesn't have to keep standing of course okay thank you [Laughter] thanks thank you for your patience everybody It's just tough subject you know driving is so easy

and I need your name and your address Nelson Herbert 23614 Shining Star Drive Fernando Lakes I've been sworn in several places [Laughter] and we are taxpayers and voters that's kind of important too at any rate um driving is so easy nowadays but I'm I'm perplexed as to how much academics we have to dwell upon such a vast amount of Powerpoints and in-depth experience and I turn off a Collier on the hail Road and the first thing I see is a 30 mile an hour speed limit and right behind that is a five mile an hour curve sign let's get to the bottom line here we lost 50 000 teenagers in 10 years and you folks want to train your kids call me please my number's on here I spent almost 20 years teaching the DuPont Corporation in various corporations from Quebec to San Diego in their cars marketing Tech and service reps these were experienced drivers at that point the Fortune 500 companies have big labels risk cooperation risk mitigation reducing the corporate Collision rate and here we are trying to get things straightened out for the safety on our community we saw 50 reduction in their corporate Collision rate they needed it they knew where to put their money so I have a background spent several years 12 years locally here with Tottenham company as a safety chairman there for the Steel Workers Union 900 workers 38 forkless sex a safety section leader in the north Hillsborough Volunteer Fire Department our biggest territory was USF we were busy day and night 24 7. safety officer in the 11th and 13th Special Forces Group locally jumping in around here locally we run down and jump in the Panama Canal Zone at night time loaded for bear much safer than driving down my street in front of my house I dare anyone who has an extra evening if your insurance is paid up the drive down my street at night and try to keep your car centered lines are not are missing there's no yellow line to be frank with you when cars are coming at me with their glare headlight glare I'm happy to see the reflectors on the mailboxes I'm talking about the bottom line here tonight bottom line and it gets worse you saw that picture up there with that car with that bicycle is right near I had a son on every Side Road like that he was 16. he was hit by a drunken driver thrown 170 feet down the road this is the bottom line if if you have kids with bicycles chain them up thank you very much sir thank you okay I have some pictures here

second all in favor aye all right I'm going to call a couple more names Russell Watrous Sonny Bishop Christina lavroca Jenny is it flat s he's trying to re he's finally trying to file something I'm pretty sure I'll take a motion mostly receiving file second all in favor bye it's like 20 trees today environment yeah my name is Daniel Carroll reside at 4829 everheart drive directly adjacent to the subject property to on the south perimeter I've also provided a sign of opposition by five other homeowners on that same street that directly are adjacent I have been supporting where are the signs where are the for sale signs that have been on the subject property for many many months perhap the question in planning the planning meeting about the retail and Commercial aspirations that corner lot at hail and Collier caused a stir the zoning planning request before use for approximately 46.1 Acres I've read provided for you and put in the record literature about this property quote Prime 10 Acre Corner commercial rezone land another title 10 acre retail 38-acre residential development land and 47.6 Acres commercial so what's correct this clearly shows the actual marketing of this property and the intended use of something far different with this plan and the zoning change request before you depicts this corner lot depending on what's true accounts for between 2 and 25 percent of the entire parcel that proposing on developing it'll likely impact or even prevent the new entrance off Kyle you're in the retention Pine relocation and planning KB Homes John I believe specifically asked about this corner parcel and stated under oath he did not know does anyone actually believe you have no idea the actual plan for that corner lot pulled out when it would be have such a profound impact on your overall multi-million dollar project of course they know they don't want anybody in this room to know where it'd virtually impacted no as KB Homes planning on pushing the zoning chains and dumping the property on another developer like they I stated that was done in another it I believe it could have been a different County but nonetheless KB Homes has made repeated misleading statements about the ratio of the adjacent budding homes on Sable Ridge stating different on a difference of only three when in fact it was over four times that KB Homes has also made repeating and misleading statements about the homes per acre density by including unbuildable water and sensitive land acreage if you exclude that the ratio is not 2.4 it's closer to 3.2 homes per day if the commercial and Retail desired cornless excluded the ratio of high density homes jumps to 4.5 homes per acre on some with apparently 85 percent building coverage per lot this is absolutely unacceptable I've

previously presented and included in my correspondence a graphical representation overlay so you can actually see the gross impact of the high density subdivision on that limited parcel to the adjacent properties in fairness so there has been some changes made to this but 50 50 foot wide Lots doesn't change the ratio that much this directly violates one of the Paramount requirements the mpud the compatibility lose of use shall shall be planned as we compatible with neighboring areas in addition to LDC 4021e one two and five the post-planning commission PDD analysis that was made that I recently looked at is absolutely laughable with loose references few sites and having a dismissive tone of your own expert appointees and planning and the citizens concerns that would substantiating that meeting in subsequent denial no buffer will create Harmony or compatibility with adjacent properties with such disparaging lot sizes 40 and 50 foot wide Lots home sizes some two-story with 10 foot rear setbacks destroying privacy adjacent property values and exacerbating home and light and roadway flooding concerns KB Homes and the Realtors think they've got the vote in the bag expect it will sail right through it's time to prove that again you have the best interest of the county and its citizens in mind time to further reinforce and make even more clear the subject matter experts you have in the planning board and their recommendation which should have been a unanimous note it's the wrong plan wrong place wrong on conditions too many questions inconsistencies misrepresentations and misleading statements have occurred this request to approve the planning's loaning change must absolutely be denied I thank you for your time and attention thank you okay why don't we have a line I don't know I'm not in line you cannot speak Sonny Bishop Christina larocca Jenny flart I'm sorry I missed one Russell Watrous I'm Russell Watrous 5218 Eagle Island Drive I've been sworn in okay one second where are those if if you're not in line we'll go on to someone else no he can he's excused his next so I have um Sonny Bishop Christina larocca Jenny where's Jenny oh Jerry oh Jerry sorry I'm sorry where's Jerry Jerry fled Jerry Flatt where's Jerry Flatt the man talking who knows his name okay get up real quick sorry I'm trying to move this along quicker that's why we were hoping that we'd have a line here because it's a long day and um okay okay Mr Watrous are we ready this I am Russell Watrous 5218 Eagle Island driving I've been sworn in you've seen this okay that's the school bus this is the one it was explained earlier uh it's on Hale Road and having a school bus cross the road and a garbage truck across the road is not a good thing and

hail road is not a safe road I've driven hail roads now for 28 years back and forth to work and if you're looking for an expert on the traffic situation on Hale Road I missed okay I've seen it change from a peaceful country road to uh something that's really unsafe a hazard in fact this past Sunday afternoon I was passed on hail Road by two cars that were racing I believe they were young people and I estimate they were going about 60 miles an hour when they passed me on the straightaway between Alpine and uh the rosebud curve there fortunately no one was coming around the curve at the time or they would have been a head-on collision that was just one instance a school bus School Bus traffic is very heavy on hail and it isn't unusual to see three school buses lined up one behind the other coming down hill road okay about two weeks ago we nearly had a school bus Collision when a bus was making a left-hand turn off of hail onto Collier Parkway and a a line of cars was making a left-hand turn off of Collier going north onto Hill Road uh fortunately the brakes on the cars were very good and uh they there was no Collision but there was a lot of horn blowing and and uh people in the car shouting which saved the school bus putting in nearly 109 more houses on that corner isn't going to improve the safety at one little bit in fact that's a very congested uh intersection two days two times a week I think the approval is development will set a precedent for cramming houses on 40-foot Lots without proper infrastructure approval would also set the Precedence for four other properties on the hill road which will probably be before you soon they are going to be requesting approval if you Grant this these rights to KB Homes to build this this the subdivision how are you going to deny these other four people there these landowners their rights thank you thank you very much I've called Sonny Bishop a couple of times as well oh okay thank you that's okay I didn't want to skip you excuse me if I ramble on not too good at probably speaking but I'd like to my wife Marianne and myself have lived on this property for your name and address and whether or not you've been sworn my name is Sonny Bishop I live at 22843 Hale Road directly across from this property that

we're talking about and they also have a track on the south side and uh and have you been thank you okay let's get a little late for me uh my concern and it should be for a lot of people is not only the traffic but there used to be kids and my grandkids or some of them used to ride their bike on them there's no way they could ride the bike on the road today so I'm concerned also about the flooding luckily we're on a high end of it but I don't know what happened south of us and I if they had the problem you take away the natural drainage of 46 Acres you're really going to compound the problem but my main concern is the traffic I just worry about the the kids that come to our place as we have a kind of a Haven for kids and uh with our Rosebud Continuum and I it's just the wrong project like they said at the wrong time and it's too many people in a congested area too many cars and I'm not against development I used to be in development so I I'm not against that I I think every development should fit into the surrounding area and complement it and not this would bring it just a bad situation to an already worsening situation and that's about all I had to say is I'm concerned more about this the drainage that that natural will take away the development of it on a high density situation which is all payments and rooftops it doesn't make much sense what their plans are I haven't seen their plans of how they're going to get rid of the water and uh that's the only problems I have at the traffic so I think my wife would let me sit down and I'll come back and sit down all in favor aye thank you thank you thank you thank you Mr Flatt yes Jerry flat shirt sorry about that I can't read my own writing sometimes so my name is Jerry Flatt and I live at 5643 white ibis Lane Land O'Lakes I have been a resident of Pasco County for 42 years I moved my business here from Hillsborough County I have been sworn I'm sorry I moved my business here from Hillsborough County uh years ago matter of fact about 2001. since have established another business two businesses here in Pasco County I love Pasco County I've enjoyed living here I got away from Hillsborough County because of the mess with traffic and all the the non-controlled growth that was being done there and I felt like Pasco was a place that I could locate not just my business but live and not have the same issue that I had in Hillsborough County uh

I purchased 14 acres on Hale Road from Miss franzel she was the original owner owned it in 1946 with her husband her granddaughter is the one that's doing the the deal with KB Homes to sell the property I tried to buy it all from her even the portion that they're going to develop but she had had some bad dealings with some real estate people so and she was old school and she didn't she didn't want to do that that deal so anyway I bought that property because it is in a rural area I went to the county and talked to them about projections for anything that was going to be done to that road because I was looking for the quietness and and the open space they assured me the people that I spoke to in the zoning department that there were no funds available nor were there any plans in the future for the widening or doing anything with Hale Road they referred to it as being substandard they referred to it as being inadequate and so that suited me just fine because I was looking looking for the peacefulness of it now we find that there's another project that is going in and I have grave concerns as you've heard from all the people that have spoken about the safety and other issues regarding that if this is approved the real estate agent will make their Commission the lady that owns it now the granddaughter of Miss ranzel will get a lot of money and she'll build a house somewhere else KB Homes will build those houses finish out that project and they'll be going on to something else the county yes would get taxes based on the number of houses put in there but I I request that you think about all these people that are here that live in that neighborhood and that have expressed their concerns and that you not accept this project to go forward thank you thank you all right Christina larocca she gone thank you Elizabeth Matthews Margarita Hardy Peyton ho Hoy okay keep going I'm pronouncing this one in my head Ally Abdel quarter equator scatter almost all right go ahead and proceed hello my name is Elizabeth Matthews I live at 21808 Hale Road Lando Lakes and I have been sworn in um my currently my children currently and have previously attended Atlanta Lakes High School Pineview middle school and Pineview Elementary so I'd like to address the student-to-teacher ratios that will be impacted by the proposed plan as it stands now pursuant to Florida statute 1003.03 section one subsections a through C the class size maximums

in grades pre-k through third uh the class size maximum ratios are 18 to 1. Pineview Elementary School is currently at 14 to 1. grades four through eight maximum is 22 to 1. Pineview Middle School is currently at 17-1 on the closest dangerously close is uh the 9th to 12th grade level which is a maximum of 25 to 1. Lando Lakes High School is at 22-1 Which is higher than the Florida state level of 16 to 1. the nearest high school to Lando Lakes High School is Sun Lake which is approximately three miles away they're also at a 22 to 1 ratio so where will these children go when you're looking at homes of three to four bedrooms a piece thank you you go ahead and proceed thank you hi my name is Marguerite Harvey I live at 23347 Sierra road and I have been sworn in um I've been a resident of Lando Lake since 1966. my family moved here from Hillsborough County when I was in first grade I graduated from Land O'Lakes high school was one of the first graduates graduating classes there I married my high school sweetheart we've been married almost 43 years we've raised six children in Land O'Lakes and we have 13 grandchildren seven of which live in Land O'Lakes four of those access Hill Road the Bishops and I share four of my grandchildren and they live approximately um a mile from that property they ride bikes or they have ridden bikes and have walked to Collier and Hill Road it's becoming increasingly and increasingly more dangerous as you've heard so I will not belabor that point um so what I will say is I drive my granddaughter and a cousin home because they're in that now requirement where they have to have their own transportation from school they go to Pine View Middle School um I'm fortunate to do that many kids are not and when I'm driving my um cousin's daughter Callie home who lives at Branch Ranch we see children riding bikes with big heavy backpacks wobbling um driving on the side of the road and one time there was a young man with a backpack paddling down the road and he could hear the line of buses coming behind him and he got nervous and next thing you know he's sliding down into one of those deep ditches if you've seen the pictures you saw that and it was quite alarming to see because I thought that we were going to witness the first accident and or death of a child on that road I know that's not your doing but you need this information so I strongly suggest that you disapprove what KB Homes is suggesting like many of my other friends on the Coalition one of the things that I did want to mention is this gentleman here mentioned some of the deceitfulness um reporting that he felt was deceitful

from KB Homes from the last Planning Commission meeting they didn't know what the 10 acres was this that and the other they've changed things and and whatnot and that seems to be a general theme with KB Homes there's been a couple of class action suits filed against them in the State of Florida the Attorney General in 2018 there's a 70 77 million dollar lawsuit against KB Homes to pay out to people who um have been misrepresented by KB Homes and have had shoddy homes built by KB Homes and um I just would like you to take that into consideration when you're making this decision that's not the kind of neighbor that we want they're not a good neighbor they're rated 1.5 on the Better Business Bureau and I just hope that you listen to the community thank you okay um if they're so we have two more speakers left if there's anyone else who wants to speak that is didn't sign up this is your opportunity to get in line if you are not in line then we're going to close public comment hello my name is Peyton hoey I live at 5234 tennis court Circle I was sworn in and I'm a member of the Tampa attendance Union and a graduate student at the Patel College of global sustainability I am here that you make I am here to ask that you make the right decision to protect the ecosystems and Wildlife that this County Prides itself in and to stand with the interests of the people of Pasco over frankly profit and angry Developers it's clear that we are in a housing crisis Florida continues to lead the nation in percentage of rent hikes yearly but the answer is not to just build more congested homes the creation of these cookie cutter high volume homes failed to solve the housing crisis and come with a larger cost irreparable damage to our wildlife and natural systems after conducting weeks of Hurricane Relief efforts in Northport and Fort Myers with other Grassroots activists and myself one thing is glaringly clear developing invulnerable Wetlands destroys the natural barriers that we have to protect our homes schools local businesses and livelihoods from natural disasters Pasco County is no different with flooding already a main issue for residents after your average rainy day I've seen firsthand the devastation that these climate disasters have had on communities and the impacts of Inland flooding flooding and storm surge left with nowhere to go because those natural barriers have been continuously exploited with only profit in mind families left displaced without homes walls filled with mold and Decay properties unrecognizable and widespread despair are the results of just a few feet of flooding as the climate crisis intensifies it is only a matter of time before we are directly hit by a hurricane as well I know everyone in this room fears that

as County Commissioners your job entails preparing for these events and mitigating the damage why not stop it before it starts as you've heard from the students faculty and of PCGS and the passionate residents of Pasco County here today Rosebud Continuum is a sanctuary that borders this property it serves as a sustainable educational and Community Building tool that I have had the pleasure to be a part of and yet is it is under attack a world where this property is rezoned is a world where places like Rosebud face great danger flooding runoff and increased traffic will continue to destroy existing properties and the wildlife that surrounds them and for what to maximize the profits of KB Homes at the expense of the environment and the people of Pasco I want you to take a look at the room today look at the amount of green shirts in the crowd that showed up despite the distance and it being in the middle of the work day I'll let you on in on a little secret no one on our side is being paid the people of Pasco County who you have been elected to represent are speaking today but will you listen to them will you side with the residents the wildlife of Pasco County and your constituents and vote no one that's rezoning or will you stand in the way of democracy to protect out-of-state developers and their corporate interests thank you hello uh I've been sworn in I live at 5234 tennis court Circle my name is Ali Abdul Qatar I'm also a member of the Tampa attendance Union uh am I good to start here yes have you been sworn in yes yes okay okay sorry I just saw that the time hadn't started but more extra time for me um so uh first off I just wanna you know thank all the people in this room he came out here today it's really amazing to see so many members of the community make time out of their day and sacrifice time out of their day to come here and it proves just how important uh this zoning decision is to them and what an impact it would have on the community you know seeing members of the community and leaders of the community out here it's very inspiring um and you know the call is for this area to not be developed in a way that isn't sustainable and in my honest opinion I don't think KB Homes is interested in sustainable development in this area if they were they wouldn't be trying to change the zoning like this and it's understandable why uh why you would want to develop this County right I mean there is an incentive for you to do it there's an incentive for you to grow this County but not like this not in a way that would you know threaten the wetlands of this County and really jeopardize the gem that you have here with Rosebud continuing center right next door I really think you should consider instead of zoning this property in a way that

would make it very congested and sort of Ruin and exploit the wetlands that exist currently there work with Rosebud work with trying to get you know a grant from the States from the federal government for a sustainable uh development and to show off what this County can really do to show off what we can do to preserve our Wetlands while developing you know in a way that is sustained so one of the reasons that this came to me is I was speaking with someone just outside here uh you know local employee here in Pasco County in Dade City and they were telling me how they had just come back to Dade City you know they were born here uh and they came back to live here after 11 years and they were just shocked at the amount of you know areas that are now sub-developments that used to be just swamp right and we have to understand and we have to recognize the effect this is going to have on our future Generations if we don't take a good hard look at what we're doing here and really grapple with the realities of the climate crisis and again I'm not saying all the burden should be on this County to to shoulder that but I think this County really has an opportunity to lead the way in in terms of showing off what sustainable growth can really look like and really shifting towards that and I to that end I really urge you not to rezone this property not to you know bow down to these out of State developers who do not have the best interests of this County in mind the only thing they have in their interest is their profit their bottom line meanwhile the community has come out here and they've made themselves very clear and I hope you stand on the side of the people thank you very much [Music] again and the green shirt will be our last week my name is Mary McKnight 36210 St Joe Road and I have been sworn uh in an effort not to be redundant and I keep scratching my speech and so it's it's a big mess so it may not be very coherent but um there are a lot of things to consider with this project flooding sustainability Wetland protection 40 foot lock compatibility and safety I want to talk about the issue of safety um because I think this project should be rejected or at least deferred until the entire length of Hill Road is brought up to County Road standards in the Pasco County Engineering Services design division report of 2004 it calls a hail Road an extremely narrow roadway with substandard geometric curvature without shoulders or adequate drainage all of which is compounded with the existence School Bus traffic and that was 18 years ago and you've heard all the people talking tonight and they have confirmed I don't think there's any doubt about hail the status of Dale Road as a substandard road so with all you have to consider tonight the Land Development code lists a couple of factors to for you to consider when evaluating an input and maybe these will help you

decide one of them is whether the proposed change will create or excessively increase traffic congestion or otherwise affect traffic safety and the other is whether the proposed change will adversely affect living conditions in the immediate and surrounding neighborhoods and I think any number of additional Auto trips would would do both of those for the sake of safety alone I do think this project should be shelved until hell road is brought up to County standards thank you thank you all right two more speakers one person online I think we used that too but I think you lost one no um good afternoon oh no one was in person and the other one didn't log in okay I'm Nathan lafata I live at 22843 Hale Road and I've sworn section 402.1 e of the Land Development cone lists a number of factors to consider when evaluating the MP PUD application to applicate applicable here what quote whether the proposed changed will create or excessively increase traffic congestion or otherwise affect Traffic Safety quote and whether quote whether the proposed change will adversively affect living conditions in the immediate surrounding neighborhoods quote this project runs a foul of both criteria the developer's second traffic study acknowledges that the project will add more than a thousand trips per day and can seize that if this Project's approved Hale Road will operate at level of service d how is it how is the National Academy of Science Highway capacity manual describes Los D passing capacity approaches zero quote motorists are delayed platoons for nearly eight percent of their travel time quote turning vehicles and roadside distinctions cause major shock waves in the traffic stream and the driver experiences reduce physical and psychological Comfort levels and that is on a road that meets minimum standards which Hill Road doesn't Hill Road is a substandard road for the most of the stretch of Collier to 41 the lanes are narrower than required by the 901.4 of the LDC in addition large set stretches of Hill Road have drainage ditches of power holes or large trees and bushes where the shoulders are supposed to be so if there's an oncoming car in your lane there's no nowhere to go and get out of the way and if there's an accident there's no place to pull off and then traffic is heavy emergency vehicles can't get through quickly and I've worked down the road and the Man passed away because an ambulance couldn't get there on time and that's just down on Collier actually so the substandard road is going to be very congested traffic delays are going to be the norm drivers are going to become aggravated upset and the road won't be able to handle accidents such conditions clearly will adversely affect

living conditions in the media medially surrounding the neighborhoods the people who have this have to use hail row and Collier every day will be subject to unjustified and undeserved stresses as well as an unnecessary additional Danger the comp plan flu 1.1 e states that the adequacy of the roadways should be considered when determining the timing of new development Hill Road is a substandard road it can safely handle another thousand cars per day this project should be rejected or at least deferred until the entire length of Hell road is brought up to County Road standards thank you for your top right and I see Nancy was out when I said no more speaker so she she's the last speaker okay hello my name is Chris Osborne I live at 22580 Hill Road and I've been sworn in I thank you for the opportunity to speak to you this afternoon uh thank you all for your time and your careful consideration of all these issues that have been brought to you have been brought to you today I wanted to commend these statements brought to you by my neighbors and fellow Pasco County Citizens and also address my concerns about this project on hill and Collier which are primarily safety related again I have four children all are under 14 years of age and my oldest child has a visual disability she's legally blind from a genetic retinal condition that's Progressive our driveway enters directly onto Hill Road and there are no existing accommodations for her along this road she is 13 years old and I would hope that the primary function of planning commissions such as these would consider people and children just like her I can't understand why projects is being considered to put so many additional houses directly off this road I would think that before approving projects to add so many homes like this one there would first be projects to address safety concerns such as these for Pasco County residents Hill Road's extremely narrow has no shoulder along the road and I don't feel comfortable asking my children to even retrieve our mail because of the narrowness of the road I enjoy riding my bike in the Cypress Creek Preserve Trail which is only 1.7 miles from our house however to get there I must ride my bike East downhill Road and listening to the proceedings in the planning meeting I heard that to do that I am in quote not in my right mind and also stupid I wish there was a safe way to ride there with my children but I constantly see and directly experience cars traveling in each Direction going fully into the oncoming traffic Lanes in order to pass me on my bicycle I see the same thing with children who are walking to school which I assume is Pineview Elementary where my daughter used to attend that's less than one and a half miles away which is also within the two mile radius that can no longer get bus rides due to the Pasco County Driver shortage I hope you'll give

serious thought and consideration to these safety concerns on sale hail Road and not go forward with this resounding project thank you thank you Nancy hazewood 34110 a nice place good evening Commissioners and Madam chairman um yes and yeah sworn and sworn again I am speaking as a citizen who has participated in Pasco County's government since about 2006 and this kind of out of my way but this happens to be one of those little Pasco County gyms you have someone's already spoken about flu 1.101 the compatibility review and I want to say that the applicant is not always entitled to the highest densities so uh that they are asking for it that's that's really not up to them that's up to y'all and I'm hoping you will not consider their densities please I submit that you should reject the project because it's really uncompatible as you've heard many people say right now the all the properties fronting hell Road are single family lots many of them several Acres none less than one-fourth acre from the map the property appraisers website it appears that eight developed there are eight approved developments that have access to our world the largest is Lago del Rey it is 40 Lots at least one fourth acre the second is Bell Lake Vista two has 35 Lots none less than one-third acre Bell Lake Vista one has 21 Lots with an average size of three tenths of an acre alsacs has 20 Lots all at least one fourth acre Branch Ranch has 16 Lots all over one half an acre or more all the other three developments all all have fewer than 10 Lots which average four tenths of an acre does improved developmental pattern along Hill Road has already been established developments of 40 Lots or less and the lot size are of 1 4 an acre the project seeks 109 Lots over two and a half times as many as the largest approved development and more than five times greater than the average approved development so I suggest that it doesn't fit if you can make the density less than a lot size increase over over the 40 and 50 Lots size you'll have your area for your cars the sustainability of this area is important please deny or cut significantly the density for this project thank you all thank you okay um rebuttal from the applicant I think now I can safely say good evening again Cindy tarapani for the applicant I'm a couple of quick comments and then if you have any questions for me happy to answer first of all our application package had a detailed analysis of consistency with the comp plan also contained an archaeological study showing no historic cemeteries an Environmental Studies showing no listed species on the site the site has been

cleared it's been used for grazing for citrus so none of the endangered species are on this site and I want just want to make sure all that data is included in your analysis and evaluation this is not a pristine environmental preserve this site has been cleared as I just said we are not impacting any Wetlands let me emphasize that we are not impacting any class one Wetlands we do have one extremely small Class III Wetland impact because of the new driveway on Collier Parkway that was requested by the Planning Commission the neighbors all objected to the hail road so we've now moved it to Collier Parkway and that's the only place we have a wetland impact the developer will be required as you all know very well to meet all the design standards of the county and the Swift Mud and any other agencies that might be involved so any concerns about storm water or flooding or engineering design for driveways all those will be resolved during the technical review process we heard a lot of problems today that are existing problems and while I appreciate those problems I have four grandchildren myself two of them are in school now I appreciate that they have a very serious problem about kids standing on that road now that time has changed um with little side a few sidewalks and standing there in the dark but quite frankly that's not the a project and an issue that's been created by the developer it is an existing problem that needs to be worked out with the school board we have revised our plan to have such a minimal impact the lowest impact we can on hail roads only 22 homes will use hail Road as our primary access all the rest of the project the other 80 something Lots 87 at the most would access through Collier Parkway the residents that spoke today there were very few residents that spoke that spoke that are immediately adjacent to the site that would be impacted directly and those residents were Mr Mrs Bishop two residents in Sable Ridge and the Martinez family that lives to the west side and we've talked about the improvements enhancements that we did to on all those edges to try and mitigate our impact there the last thing I want to say is as you all know you have the unfortunate job of trying to balance property rights and we're asking you to balance the rights of of this developer and these Property Owners to build a really small project with a maximum of 109 units and balance that against the rights of these residents to continue enjoying their life in their community and we believe that there is a good balance with this project thank you thank you and again for the record Michael razor the full access connection to County Line Road or the Collier Parkway rather was reviewed with County transportation staff including Margaret Smith the county attorney and was found to be approvable as the connection and Associated turn lanes were found to provide for safe and efficient traffic

operating conditions and would not adversely impact adjacent intersections I have other rebuttal items but I'd be happy to answer any questions you may have yeah I have some okay so um that was stated someone stated it that um that the other engineer that was hired says that that intersection the plans in the intersection won't work I'm kind of summarizing that did you hear him say that I what I and I do actually have a paragraph in response to the other engineer so I'm not sure if they mentioned a specific intersection not working yeah I think they said something about the turn Lanes that were that were you guys I think what you may be referring to was the spacing criteria for the Collier Parkway connection and that's what I just reviewed um we had spoken with Transportation Planning Department staff and the County engineer and identified that our turn Lanes will fit with the turn lanes that are currently out there already without overlap without negative interaction between the two so that has been reviewed with transportation department staff well you know before we get into that um did our staff determine that we need that we will have the sufficient width to put in the trail if it's going up which side is the trail going on and do we have what we need Here Comes Terry sorry you're referring to the Collier Parkway yes yeah there will be sufficient room to put a path in based on the requirement the width requirements but the ultimate Collier Parkway right-of-way width um it is planned to be a four-lane road eventually and so the right of way that we've that we're acquiring a long call here will enable a four-lane ultimate construction well four length plus the multi-use trail plus multi-use Trail which would be a 12-foot path that would include space to Meandering and that that foot is on the west side of Collier um at this time we don't know which side of the road the 12 foot path will be on because there is not a planning document that illustrates that since the Columbia Parkway is not in the CIP at this time I'm looking at an aerial there is a sidewalk on the east side of Collier Parkway and there is right-of-way that's available on the East Side I'm sorry the west side west side yeah so we would but I don't see that in their entrance feature plan where that could fit so just maybe I'm just not maybe I'm not reading reading it right but is um and I guess I could ask that to the applicant well if this project is approved and there's a trail on the side I I think I see where your um thanks thanks Terry where where the right-of-way preservation is is so your planning starts from the edge of that right-of-way preservation yes Shelley Johnson 6400 Madison Street I have been sworn what is required on your right-of-way preservation Corridor which would which I I'm hearing from Terry

from Sun you know from Center Line is going to actually account for this multi-use path if there is right away we're giving whatever your Corridor provides we're not asking for any alternative State Standards or reductions so if there's if that Corridor you know takes that into account when a PD e is done then that right away is going to be there it appears to our Engineers that you're going to have enough right away to put a multi-use path on the west side okay um if I have any other questions here okay um what how many 40 lot foot lots are you guys proposing and how many 50. um the mix we've got all 50s on the North side and then we have a mix on the south side which is the one that's adjacent to Sable Ridge and Collier Parkway and and in Sable Ridge what size are those lots I believe there are lot sizes and a butt up to the back of one of our southern side are 60 foots and um are they also 10 foot setbacks in the back on their rear yards um um I mean they look like it's in the area they look pretty standard I don't know if it's 15 or or 10 but 10 is small but you are proposing 10 rear foot setbacks right uh no we're 15 we're standing on the 50 and 110. we're doing 20 from back yeah we're um a minute I'm sorry you're right 10 foot from principal and accessory yeah I saw 10 here which so what percentage of lot coverage do you guys have it's like 75 percent that's for both that's for both you know accessory and everything so what's what's accessory so if you have accessory structure I mean you're 15 or so be 16 if you just have a right you know if you just have a principal structure so that's how they look at that yeah what's that can you put a pool in the 10 foot step back the bathtub yeah I don't think they can I but so depending on what's what the Topography is in the backyard when it when they develop it out but do you have a clubhouse or something no there's no Clubhouse on this on these properties now I couldn't remember no there's Park the neighborhood parks we're not asking for it like again we're not asking for any alternative standards with regards to and either right away you know preservation that we're going to be dedicating you know Parks we're going to be providing everything that the code requires but yeah Staybridge on that south side I mean obviously on our our Eastern side and our South Side we're but we're we're abutted by Sable Ridge which you know has you know 1200 and some units and then call your Parkway so we have only 22 Lots on the North side that are going out to Hill Road and those are all 50s Sable Ridge does not have a clubhouse nothing also I think missing trees but yeah we're looking into that okay

um board members um you know someone brought up Babcock Ranch and I I you know that's a very special development but all their power lines are underground as I mentioned before look at that those power lines down hail sure would have been nicer those were Underground yeah I'm sure yep I'm sorry I was gonna say is it to the board now we're just well I was just you know it's it's listen it's a tough one you know um you know like I said before one of my fears for some of the folks that spoke today is that this may be a situation okay let's say it doesn't go through today that you know be coming back next year and the year after that and the year after that and you're after that this you know you could end up with situations that are a lot more dense I mean a lot more dense we've seen it happen I mean again I can't tell you you know what's gonna who's people's thoughts four years from now I have no clue what it's going to be I knew that 7-Eleven wasn't a good fit and that's when that was coming about and I think those people just kind of went away on their own after having conversations with myself and probably of some of the neighbors um so I don't disagree with that there was a concern when it came to environmental ad packs because obviously the uh the um the gas lines and the tanks and everything be underneath I don't know if that's I'm a little torn here I mean I because I and I say that a lot because I know the boards recent conversations about 40 50 foot Lots so but I think I'll I think what's to say something I do thank you but can I ask a question real fast because um they mentioned something about that stormwater pond did you want to address that the location of it water flowing up hill and downhill get that one answered good yeah thank you madam chair again Cindy tarapani for the applicant I'm originally all of the area south of that out parcel all the way to our Southern edge of our property was a storm water Pond and it was rectangular going north and south because of the fact that we've now added that driveway to Collier Parkway and added an interconnect up to the out parcel for whatever that might be now the stormwater Pond is linear going rectangular going east and west it is still at this at this lower site lower section of the property that our Engineers have looked at it and they can make it work obviously the final design is going to have to be approved by the city excuse me by the county and by Swift Mud but it's in the generally the same place it's just gotten a little bigger to the West I can show you on the master plan if you

like or if that's a good enough explanation I hope if not I'll be happy to answer and when you guys do your calculations is it based on 75 coverage on every lot now you're asking outside of my scope of my experience that Mr fudge the project engineer to come up and speak Robert fudge 30 30 Starkey Boulevard Trinity that haven't been sworn um yeah the all the ponds preliminarily for the plant have been based on the impervious area for the proposed project unless you have a question on that same subject would that take in consideration for if they did at a pool or if they did add a slab of concrete for a patio or that's why that 75 impervious slot coverage that takes in in account pool packs and patios okay commissioner Mariana thank you um I'm just going to touch on this just because of uh it was said early on and I just want the standard of some Court development to Degroot Sheffield 95 in Florida says even layperson or non-expert testimony is in the zoning case is perfectly admissible and and can and constitutes substantial competent evidence effect based I've never seen as much fact-based evidence in a hearing that we saw today I've never seen a Planning Commission go through and list 13 Reasons to why a project shouldn't go forward I mean the Project's not entitled to the highest and best use compatibility is a big thing all the other things are mentioned in there when I look at the safety I look at the density I look at the storm water I look at the compatibility um you know we saw the pictures of the trash Hollow was getting stuck the buses getting stuck the traffic getting stuck the the lack of street lights that are out there on the on the side without sidewalks on a very narrow road where you got to kind of walk in a ditch to go um uh it's just this just doesn't fit um I I really troubled to see why staff is actually bringing this to us with a recommendation at the get-go from approval I'm glad Planning Commission actually studied it looked at it and made it render recommendations I appreciate the people living through this whole thing to see it go forward I will say as a commissioner I was very pleased years ago we put beldick through and hit a world through to help with some of the traffic out they're going through but as we know I don't care if you have your access on Collier Parkway this kid's going to school down here Hill Road it's dangerous down there you got them in the morning daylight savings time late at night coming back from Sports whatever it just doesn't fit and I think you've got more criteria from the Planning Commission that recommendation from them just gives

you all the reasons why this project shouldn't go forward well the Planning Commission voting was on the previous plan and they didn't vote on this plan where I think they because I listened to it I don't know if you listen to it but um they've changed they've changed they've changed the plan now I I'm still you know I agree hell wrote that we need to look at that road um but but In fairness the Planning Commission a lot of it some of the comments are still relevant but that was a different plan I'm going to say with the with the act with the compatibility smallest loss being 60 foot next door with everything else going on there and we've talked about we just I mean we talked earlier today about 40 and 50 foot Lots what's going to go on there there's no there's not even a clubhouse for the kids to go play here where are they going to go they're going to go somewhere they're going to leave there how are they going to get there there's not sidewalks the whole neighborhood to get there so as far as safety this is big I just don't see it fitting and then I said to the applicants when they were coming forward to say Adam I don't like the package you just put everything call here I think you should open the thing up to have more access roads I think that's good but even still with all that said this traffic on this road with all the data we've been given all the information we've been given it this isn't this is not a hard one to me manager commissioner remember this the school board member was he for or against the project against okay because I am looking at the numbers it is 96 capacity but they're under 47 students but by next year they're estimated to be under eight students I do have concerns without there being sidewalks for these kids that are walking to and from school I don't feel that road Improvement should be taking 10 years behind the development I do believe in growth concurrency even though we don't really have it but we need to be able to keep up with our roads and our infrastructure like you mentioned as well all of the data and the flooding and things I am concerned and I also think it's very important that the developers and the communities can talk and try to work on addressing all the Kinks as well because there are a lot of concerns that I have yeah I'm sure yep looking at you guys I'm saying I I can I'm pretty good at counting votes career probably don't can't come up from that's on this one okay I'm just saying yeah I know I'm just yeah I was gonna say maybe I'm just giving an opportunity here speak fine tell me I'm counting either a three two or four or five probably I don't know I mean I'm kind of counting them up here um I know when we have this for the for the record we had our when we had our

conversation um last week you had mentioned you guys were at kind of a drop dead I think data tomorrow I mean you've heard concerns do you guys think there's anything else you can do and I think now would be the time to walk up I have been sworn work for KB Homes I'd like to add we're building sidewalks on both hail Road and Collier Parkway where they don't exist today we're going to make it safer we're adding a new turn lane I'd like to add the multi-purpose Trailway we'll commit we think we have the right-of-way now we can design it we can build it it'll be a much safer situation 109 houses we're approving thousands of houses and areas that don't have this level of planning two new turn Lanes a brand new sidewalk system a multi-purpose Trail and yes we have three parts for the kids we have an attorney Park we have a Lakefront Park and we have a park that's along Collier Parkway so we have three recreational opportunities this is a project that should win an award it's 2.4 units per acre I think commissioner Moore statement is well taken there was a Publix that was going to go in on this corner and the publics came very close to going forward we wound up planning a residential development that the owners is considered Superior the alternative is a Pure commercial project I'd like to see what the rosebud Continuum would do with the thousands of trips this is a very low density project it's well planned it should win a Uli award commissioner this is a I I really don't understand why there's those comments from Planning and Zoning Board I don't think they were well thought out I don't they didn't come from the board I think they came as an afterthought from the assistant County attorney and I don't think they're representative of the new project today which is re plan based on those comments we added a brand new entryway onto Collier Parkway it's a much safer project this this is a very supportable project I hope we get your vote thank you Michael if you could Madam chair yeah and Michael I want to say you your team that you've got you got great professionals here great representation that you do and in the development itself I think you've done as good as you can do but what's around it you can't fix Hill Road all the way to 41. but chemistry there's a 711 unit project if I could finish yes sir if I could finish when we built Hill Road we knew we didn't have room for a sidewalk we knew there were drain juices Etc but we wanted to get the connection for the traffic that was going on to the to the whole area that Bell Lake just to get people back and forth it wasn't to go accommodate Morgan's strengen Development coming in now you've got a zoning in place that you could go with utility in as they recommended but to go fit this in to go through is not a it's not it's not the right thing to do as far as I'm concerned as a commissioner and again your team is great I'm not

Downing your project I'm just saying this project in this place doesn't work for me yes sir and I apologize for interrupting but compatibility when you have a 711 unit PUD to the north and a 649 unit PUD to the South how are we not compatible we have 50 foot lots more 50s than 40s they have 65 foot Lots it's single family to single family the rear yard where we said we have smaller rear yards we're providing a 20-foot rear buffer and a 10-foot additional rear buffer for landscape fencing and whatever so we're going above and beyond code 109 units 2.4 units per acre this is a very low density very supportable very responsible development can I ask you the 20-foot buffer what are you buffering again is that the residential single family that's next to us what do we buffer buffer residential to residential we don't do that why are we making them do that we're doing it because the our locks are slightly smaller than theirs so we're providing them extra privacy and we're adding to our backyards those smaller backyards we talked about we now actually have more room so there'll be a landscaper because I I would have gotten rid of the buffer but you you are that buffer gets added to the people's backyards yes it's just that they have to have a landscape part of their backyard is that right yeah we're good about fence on one side with landscape and it'll be part of their backyard but people we don't buffer lands uh residential residents not code it's not code it's not the code and we I personally don't think we should be making people do that um I mean this is a really good project we've worked for two years Mike I I I want to tell um some of the public here I mean especially kids who I just have to say did amazing presentation and we appreciate um all that Rosebud is doing I do want to speak to the Bishops after on something separate but um but our family used to have an environmental um we used to do environmental tours on our property and and I I appreciate how you want to um um have that kind of experience for people on your property but your property rights end at your property line and and and then this person over here has property rights so um I'm not sure if that if there were if when you came in to do what you're doing if if it was zoned for a school there I I I don't see that on here that's what I want to talk to you about so but you know we we love what you're doing um so uh so we we have to take into account um the laws and property rights of everybody and uh sometimes it's very difficult for us to make these decisions I would never even consider approving this in the decision and what it looked like before um and

and I do think that we have some challenges there on Hill Road and I like to see what we can do as a county I think to make that a safer Road it just I just cringe when I see those kids walking on there um I think the sidewalk will be helpful and hopefully that's where the bus stop goes is Where the Sidewalk is I think that'll be beneficial for everybody I texted Ray Gad during this meeting because I see Pine View Middle School over here and I guess there's I don't know have we approved the development that's going in between Collier Parkway and Pineview is there something going in there I don't know because I don't you know I'm just looking on Google Maps but I hope that we are going to provide a way for kids from down here to be able to get from Collier over to the school not having to go through um on these main roads we need to have some kind of path we need to plan that ahead of time so then when something comes in there is some way for all these kids to get to that Middle School well when I'm looking on the map there's there's nothing here yet Madam chair yeah I mean for all think about all the high school kids right the what the high school kids going down the hill road literally when we tried to build that road we tried to put a sidewalk in we looked at it we just couldn't fit it you can't have the ditch you would have to put you'd have to put the um our administrators and engineer but I know how it would have to be because I've seen it before some other roads they put a pipe in and there's no more ditch but there is a way to fix that and I think the county and we looked at the expense of that yeah no it's good so for this development to come in we're going to go put that expense on all the other citizens in the county no I don't think he's going to pay for developer's responsibility but he's just taking care of his but he's just taking care of his property but what about the rest of it yeah the rest of the kids got to still travel those roads I mean we you can't ignore what you saw in the video cost on this property owner I'm not but I'm just saying it's not compatible with what we have the infrastructure doesn't support it I I think if hail Road was fixed and there wasn't so much flooding and I believe there was a pool that completely had looked like six inches of water over the pool if the flooding issues weren't there if the sidewalk issue wasn't there if this safety issue wasn't there if the roads were improved I think you guys are doing a great project if it was a different time if these improvements were able to be made prior to your community coming in so um so Swift Mud will not let this project put any water on anyone else's property that they have to contain everything that is generated here so

whatever happens here is not gonna it's not gonna cause fix those problems and we should be looking at what's causing those but it's not going to be coming from here on the contrary sometimes these these fix those problems but um I I wonder if the applicant might consider putting more 50s and less 40s and maybe you might see more positive or 60 or six or some 60s yeah chairman Michael dating again I've been sworn we do have more 50s than 40s we started at 150 units when we submitted we're down to 109 and frankly only 104 are going to be built because we put Collier parko in so we have an approval for 109 but they'll only be 104 houses and there are more 50-foot Lots than 40-foot Lots I mean this is as low density as is viable and still have a community that can have Parks and Recreation opportunities and affordable housing I mean right now housing is facing a crisis our industry is in a point where mortgages are such that a regular first-time home buyer can't afford a house this is one way to address that having a mixture of lot sizes 40s but more 50s will allow us to have an affordable housing that's important too I mean all these people that talk today they live in a house this area is a comp plan res six it's surrounded by development water sewer police fire all these facilities are in there for a reason um it's a very supportable project we would be happy to fit more 50s in if we could but then we would have to impact Wetlands right now we have no houses on the lake we can line that lake with houses make million dollar houses and probably be much more profitable but we're preserving the entire Lake you can't ask us to be good environmental citizens and have a sustainable development in my opinion where there is no development to the lake no Wetland impacts and only 104 houses that will actually be built it's is really a good plan commissioner it's it's the sidewalks we're putting in or addressing an existing problem we have sidewalks now at hail going all the way to Collier Parkway turning South to Sable Ridge that will allow the kids to walk on a sidewalk what's there now we're going to wait till 20 40 you know when the hail is improved we can do something today not to mention the turn lane movements and now the multi-purpose Trailway the 12 foot Trailway I know let's go I I can tell you right now you got two that aren't sure about and you got three there are no so I can I can count my votes I'm very good at it you know I'm just being honest so I know is there if there's anything else hold on hold on I hate to sound like a bargain but I will go to 55 on 50 foot Lots so I'll lose additional density I'll probably be down to 102 units I I mean we've worked on this for two years we're in the Market District of the county this is where Publix is the regional park the schools the new sewage treatment plant this is where development was slotted to be for the last 25 years it's not a virgin piece of forest that is somehow should be

preserved because there's endangered species or other compelling reasons I will amend our application to go to 55 50 foot Lots at an additional loss of of lot density if you guys can see it your way to get to that third vote I have one more question for you yes and uh and this is a tough question for me to ask but I just I'm sorry but construction on your entrance to that project that's from on hail North your construction equipment how is that going to work that that that's that's a tough one off the cuff to answer I know that we use site maintenance you have a construction entrance that whatever's the safest area is I think that would be off of Collier Parkway where you have a temporary construction access to allow traffic to flow through we would not propose to go off hail road for the construction access except that area that is North by the lake what what um how can you put as as least um construction uh traffic into that I mean are there things you can do um to get to do that very quickly so that you have I I mean I can see I can see some issues with your dump your fill trucks and all that I can I can make a commitment to use the first phase development to take care if that's the concern that the north of Hale Road is addressed first then that can be a sequence of construction that we can agree to in other words we could hit that first so that there is not truck traffic on the north side of Hill so this is a question that I've never contemplated before but is is it possible that you that that entrance can be done during the part of the Season where there's you have the ability to do it as quickly as possible I will put whatever condition I can to my contractor but I can't agree to that up front we usually try to work within the dry season there there is no flooding caused by this project no no I I'm just concerned like the width of a filter truck coming down hail going in in and out of there that's what I'm concerned about I can absolutely sequence it so that we address hail Road as our primary concern we'll use the construction entrance off to Collier Parkway come through the southern properties and then come up only for that brief Crossing so it'll be a very limited space of time onto hail Road and it's only 22 houses I can make a commitment that will fill that area in the first phase of the development we're like in and out I mean in and out you won't even see us yeah that was a little bit um I'll make a motion Madam chair I had to move to deny or to support the Planning Commission recommendation of denial based upon all the criteria that they had submitted based upon all the evidence that was submitted to us as well a second yeah well I think that's a dead project

um right now I am I'm the understanding is that um they've already they're in settlement negotiations and if we file a complaint we allow them to file a complaint we'll get part of the distribution if we don't file equals way we won't get part of the distribution I don't think that this case will go to trial and so I I think it's kind of like you need to get get just if you authorize the County Attorney not to object to the McKenzie intervention so moved second all in favor aye aye thank you okay absolutely um I think we're adjourned good okay oh that's it you went down on a uh yeah yeah I want to thank you all for having my last year [Music] foreign [Music]