10.25.2022 Pasco Board of County Commissioners Meeting (Afternoon Session)

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thank you [Music] okay I'm not ready though where's Andy because we got still a lot to do yeah okay uh I will now call back to order the Pasco County Board of County Commission meeting of October 25th 2022 please silence all electronic devices and mute your microphones we will proceed with public hearing starting with ordinances p81 item p81 was published in Tampa Times on February 2nd 2022. Madam chair this is Victorious petos Planning Development Department item p-81 is an ordinance amending the Paso County comprehensive plan providing for a large-scale comprehensive plan Amendment to the Future Landing Smith map 2-15 and Sheet 04 changing from IL res industrial res six residential six women's progress acre and Res three residential three dwellings per growth cycle to PD plan development on approximately 331.34 Acres of real property located in the southwest corner of Denton Avenue and Mattis Road and a text Amendment creating sub area policy blue 7.1.61 Denton Avenue and a map Amendment to the Future land use map 2-9 adding slip area map 2-961 Dunton Avenue providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for repeal or serverability and effective date and this is a continuous three date uncertain move to continue date uncertain second all in favor aye all right um item p82 was published on Tampa Bay Times on July 6 2022 and August 24 2022. item p82 is in ordinance by the Paso County Board of County Commissioners amending the Pasco County Land Development called section 602 J Ben Harrell Villages of Pasadena Hills stewardship District revisions to text table and Exhibits tax revisions to sections 602.08 M impact fees Mobility fees and development fee surcharges and section 602.10 the oph transportation analysis table revisions to exhibit 602-c Transportation development fee schedules revisions to exhibit 602-b property owner credits map and table amendments to exhibit 602 e Master roadway plan add new cross-section 60aa and revised illustration of cross-section 70 AAA to include family bike paths and amending other sections as necessary for internal consistency providing for applicability repeal or silver ability inclusion into Land Development code and ineffective date you know I I just want to say something am I on every time you call it the Ben Harold Villages I just I get I don't know I got a little thing in my heart for Ben Harold so some of you may not know who Ben Harrell was former County attorney great guy so I'm glad that this is named after him

um board members do do you have any questions on this action approval uh all right well this is a public hearing is there anyone here who wishes to speak to p82 I don't have anyone signed up and no one is on WebEx for this item okay I heard a motion second a second so I think this is a roll call vote I got it right district one commissioner Oakley aye District Two commissioner Moore District Four commissioner Fitzpatrick aye District Five commissioner Mariano aye District three chairman Starkey aye all right p83 item p83 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on July 6 2022 and August 24 2022. item p83 is an ordinance amending the Pasco County comprehensive plan for a comprehensive planned Amendment to the Future land use element gold flu 6 J Ben Harold Villages of Pasadena Hills to make roadway changes in figures PH2 pH 4 pH 4 a pH 8 pH 12 and ph-13 amend transportation map 7-3-6 highway Vision plan and functional class map and providing traditional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for a repeal or severability and an effective date board members any questions okay this is a public hearing does anyone want to speak to p83 I have no one signed up and no one on WebEx for this approval all in favor aye oh I'm sorry and I wrote roll call and then I highlighted in pink just right now okay district one commissioner Oakley aye District Two commissioner Moore District Four commissioner Fitzpatrick aye District Five commissioner Mariano aye District three chairman Starkey aye and p84 item p-84 was published in the Tempe times on August 7 2022 item p-84 is an ordinance amending the Pasco County comprehensive plan providing for a text Amendment to the central Pasco employment Village sub-area policies policy flu 7.1.12 providing for repealer severability and an effective date process any questions on this just a quick statement I just want to again uh thank the team and thank the landowners and landings attorneys and fellow Commissioners for obviously supporting this and us getting this over the over the hill per se since it's in the you know kind of in the date city slash Selena Lakes you know that entire area but very important to um be able to allow these landowners and more landowners now to you know have that industrial those industrial sites and create more job opportunities for our citizens here in Pasco County so thanks for everybody to everybody that worked on this it's definitely very beneficial thank you yeah this is nice that we could do plan such a large area and if I'm not mistaken didn't we do something with the road um roads where we put some family Trails

is that this one or is that it no no was that in Connected city that was that was in the vo pH item yeah yeah so I'm grateful for that I think that that'll be good for the citizens okay anyone wanting to speak to this if there's no one signed up and no one on WebEx for this item oh yeah close and second roll call district one commissioner Oakley all right District Two commissioner Moore aye District Four commissioner Fitzpatrick aye District Five commissioner Mariano aye District 3 chairman Starkey aye chairman you had r-77 which was tied to 82 and 83. if you want to take that out yeah let's go ahead and pull that forward do you do that one Terry r77 I can read it um it's a resolution by the board of County Commissioners acting as the Board of Supervisors for the J Ben Harrell Villages of Pasadena Hill stewardship District adopting The Villages of Pasadena 2022 financial plan which will be applicable within the Jerry Ben Harold Villages of Pasadena Hill stewardship District so this is a regular item so there's no public yeah right so um Boardman do you have any questions I approval second all in favor aye aye okay thank you moving that one along so P85 and are we now at if you want me to do the procedures we can do that now uh there are two reasoning agendas regarding consent staff will present each application to the board of County Commissioners if staff or Planning Commission has recommended approval and there is no opposition the application will be considered by the board of County Commissioners without further presentation if the staff or Planning Commission uh has recommended denial or if there is opposition to the application the applicant will be given five minutes for presentation the opposition will be given three minutes for each individual or five minutes for a group representative and the applicant will be given three minutes we'll rebuttal any individual disagreeing with Stanford Planning Commission recommendation or anyone wishing to object to any condition of the rezoning May at this time request the petition be pulled from the consent agenda in which case that application will be heard under the regular agenda later on during the meeting otherwise all rezoning applications on the consent agenda will be approved by a single motion and vote if you wish to speak to any petition please give your name and address and whether or not you've been sworn for the record these are quasi-judicial public hearings the law in Florida is mere public sport or opposition of an application is insufficient for this board to take action please limit your comments to those criteria found within

the board's Land Development code Madam clerk do you wish to square them in I would um if you are here to speak on any of the remaining items please stand if you're able to and raise your right hands do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth so help you God okay let's go with the first one P85 item P85 was published then Tampa Times on October 9th 2022. item PA 85 is a roadway transfer agreement Florida by the Florida with the Florida Department of Transportation State Road 54a slash Black Lake Road from State Road 54 Western connection to State Road 54 a slash Black Lake Road cul-de-sac and stero 54 Eastern Connection I found this out while we were working with a developer and in that area so um it's kind of just a little oversight is there anyone here to speak against this item do we have anyone signed up to speak against it no one is signed up and I have no one on WebEx we'll leave it on consent 86. item p-86 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on October 9th 2022. yeah that's fine good afternoon Margaret Smith County engineer both P85 and p86 are transfer agreements of the roadway State Road 52 in Black Lake and on State Road 54. and we have some of our fdot team here who would like to do a little PowerPoint to just go over those uh particularly the State Road 52 transfer okay did they send that that PowerPoint to our staff okay can you load that please so I've been advised to ask if you would like the presentation yeah this is a consent item Madam chair right yeah yeah yeah we're good you're good you felt comfortable okay all right yeah heck yeah good report good question okay um if there's no one sign is there anyone signed up to speak against the transfer of yeah not sure that we got to yeah this is the yeah this is 86 that which is the transfer of State Road 52 from east of the Radco place to US 98 US 301 online to speak again I have no one signed up in person or online for this item we'll keep it on consent 87 item p87 was published in Tampa Times on September 7th 2022. before you say something Terry and well before D.O.T leaves I did have a conversation with secretary Gwynn about County Line Road because I know there's some discussion about County Line Road maybe becoming part of the state system and he told me in order for them to take over County Line Road we have to give up we have to take something else like it's a trade so we need to have that thought if that's what we want to do okay all right go ahead item p-87 is a conditional use request in the name of melakose Holdings Inc slash malicose Holdings duplexes it's an approval of a vacation rental short-term rental in a R4 high density residential

district in Northwest Pasco County north side of Clark Street East of the intersection of Clark Street and Monroe Avenue containing approximately 0.21 acre and this comes as a recommendation of approval you mean we're having a legal one um okay any questions on this one okay is there anyone here to speak against p87 I have no one signed up for p87 and no one on WebEx then we will leave it on consent p88 item p88 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on September 7th 2022. item p88 is a zoning amendment in the name of Smith 80 mpud Master planning to development by Smith Kettle and Grove Incorporated it's a rezoning request from an AC agricultural zoning District to an mpud master plan unit development District to allow for the development of a maximum of 160 residential wall units and approximately 80 acres and this comes with a recommendation of approval with conditions board members any questions okay is there anyone here in the public that wishes to speak against this item I have no one signed up for this item and no one on WebEx for this item okay saying no one will leave it on consent and then we'll move on to P89 item P89 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on September 7 2022. um before I read this into the record I do have some I have received expertise from all the Commissioners which have been submitted to the clerk's office and there was also a updated condition of approval that was added to the MPD so I'll read that as soon as I read this title off um so P89 is a zoning amendment in the name of Longleaf Grove mpud master plan unit development by Campbell's South Commercial LLC it's a change in zoning from a C2 General commercial District to a MPD master plan unit development District to allow for a maximum of 95 000 square feet of commercial retail 15 000 square feet of office and 350 multi-family apartments and approximately 36 800. 36.861 Acres 36.861 acres in central Pasco County north of State Road 52 East of U.S 41 and this comes with a recommendation of approval with conditions the added condition was is would be condition number 31 and that will read subsequent to this MPD approval but prior to the first preliminary development plan slash preliminary site plan approval for the project developer and Pasco County shall enter into a development agreement or a substantial mpud Amendment would sell at a minimum one provide for the upsizing of the required five foot sidewalk along the projects US-41 Frontage within the right-of-way to be conveyed by developer pursuant to condition number 23 to a minimum eight foot multi-use path and two provide for Mobility fee credits against the bike pedestrian portion of the mobility fee okay um board members do you have any questions about the Longleaf development

all right is there anyone here that wishes to speak to that I have no one signed up for this item and no one on WebEx for this item um we will leave it on consent and then we have P90 P90 item P90 was published in Tampa Times on September 7th 2022. thank you item P90 is the Remington mpud master plan unit development by Sand Hill Flats LLC it's a rezoning request from an AC agricultural zoning District between MPD master plan unit development District to allow the development of a maximum of 127 single-family detached residential units on approximately 44.2 acres and this comes with a recommendation of approval with conditions okay board members any questions on this one commissioner they're all in District One yeah this is my meeting [Laughter] okay uh is there anyone here to speak against this item so I have no one signed up for P90 and no one on WebEx for P90 leave it on consent and then p91 item p91 was published in Tampa Times on September 7 2022. item p91 is a zoning Amendment to the name of Jordan and Jordan MPD master plan unit development substantial modification by Jordan and Jordan Incorporated it's a substantial modification to the MPD master plan unit development District to extend the expiration date of previous of a previously approved mpud and this comes with the recommendation of approval with the established conditions all right any questions um is there anyone here to speak against this I have no one signed up for this item and no one on WebEx okay I think that is the end of our consent agenda so approval second all in favor aye aye thank you madam Madam chair if you'll notice there was no mountain Notch comment on these items coming from the East side because we all work together over there yeah well I'm looking to make sure they're all connected to each other and hopefully they are I hope you're paying attention over there because you don't want to have to get in your car and drive 10 miles to get to your neighbor that's all I can say I heard there's no no house no sideway s yeah I don't know it looks like a bunch of neighbor well there are some I'm just well I'm not I'm just saying you should keep an eye on your neighborhoods there yeah okay uh we are on p92 item p92 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on September 21st 2022 and September 28 2022. I'm chair members of the board Eric writingbach assistant County Administrator for internal Services item p92 is petitioned to vacate a portion of plattek now right of way the petitioner seeks to obtain this vacation in order

to repair the eroding sea wall due to safety concerns there were no objections and we recommend approval Madam chair yeah um so I went out to decide to take a look at it and actually met the owner um I I support what we're doing here but I'd like to have us take an extra step as well he's looking at putting a sea wall all the way down kind of straightening it out making look better he's going to probably do the front of the property as well so it's a major investment at the portion of where he's not going to own is where we have our property where the roadway comes off and we have a drainage part right there right now we just have a simple block set up there that's very fragile and I think when he does his Seawall we should incorporate in doing an improvement at the same time and fixing our seal at the same time we're going to secure the drainage because right now you get a little bit of erosion around the pipe as well so a good time though when he gets ready to go do his project that we incorporate and and get the extra work done to have ours in by not having any mobilization or anything else it should be very inexpensive to get it done and it will really improve the neighborhood got it sir I'll coordinate with my colleague Brantford to work those details okay sir Nick okay um is there anyone in the public here to question or speak about p92 I have no one signed up for the item and no one on WebEx move approval second all in favor aye p93 item p93 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on September 11 2022 and by Affidavit of certified mailings and site postings on a presentation for this Runner D.A yes yeah good thing I prepared one [Laughter] hmm all right we have the rendered MPD D.A PDD 230565 here's the location map it is just south of an abutting Wisteria Loop the purpose of this da is to provide for the design right-of-way dedication and construction of Bexley Road Wisteria Loop realignment improvements and to allow the developer to receive reimbursements in the form of Mobility fee credits for 100 of the actual reasonable eligible amount spent by the developer for the Bexley road with cereal Loop realignment Improvement the runner MPD was approved by the board on January 25th 2022 the primary access will be on Bexley Road Wisteria Loop when the runner mpud went to the board the board was very clear that the new alignment of Bexley Road Wisteria Loop must be established through this Renner D.A therefore the BCC per the BCC directive the DEA establishes the new alignment of Busey Road Wisteria Loop including the specific improvements to tie into the existing roadway and here is one of the exhibits

submitted with the D.A shows the different roadway segments another exhibit shows their right-of-way cross-section the LPA heard the item at the September 22nd 2022 PC hearing and voted to recommend approval to the board and a proposed da is consistent with the applicable portions of the comprehensive plan and the applicable conditions of the mpud with that the PDD and the LPA recommend approval okay well I know that we're going to have questions about the sidewalk but we do have um if anyone doesn't have any other questions I think we should hear from the public first and then bring it back to us I did go out and walk this with the engineers the landowners and others uh in that area um developers Engineers so okay normally you would hear from the applicant and then oh yeah the applicant is welcome to speak then we'll hear from the public Shelly Johnson 6400 Madison Street and I have been sworn yeah we were approved in January on this MPD we've spent the last year since September working through this D.A agreement pursuant to the approval and pursuant to the direction of the board I submitted I think in September so it's almost a year to a little bit over a year today that we submitted we've worked with the county attorney's office I think we're in agreement on terms with the the actual D.A agreement and then we've also worked with the county coordinating with the design that's attached to this is exhibits a b c and d as well as the applicants the residents in the area Mr couch and Mr gadd I think as chairman as you mentioned we we actually went out at the site my client did and the engineers did with Mr couch and Mr Gad to discuss their concerns with regards to design we actually went back and did a redesign after that meeting which is exhibit D to the agreement and so here we are we went to the Planning Commission in September as Tammy stated and at that Planning Commission for the first time to my college and I think to my clients knowledge we were asked to look at a different design after a year of this and put in place of a bike path a sidewalk so obviously on the spot we couldn't agree to that we told the Planning Commission we would go back and look at it which KB Homes and their Engineers have done I know staff was privy to a lot of the emails going back and forth in terms of some of the engineering semantics that were going to go into It ultimately it can be done I think we all agree with that can it be done today no and that's the problem we're going to need time to do to do the engineering we're going to need time to look at what's going on there's right away that's going to need to be acquired because I don't know if anybody realizes it but what the request is is not just to do a sidewalk replacement of the bike path of the existing design but it's asking us to add a whole another segment

to the sidewalk design which is the portion from Arden Loop out the US-41 so right now where we're at and of course there's going to be issues with that with right away there's going to be issues with cost I mean we my understanding is that there's some entertainment that the county will go ahead and agree to pay for this because my client cannot agree to traffic impact fee credits at this point and we've discuss that with with the county I mean it's just not something that they can do because they don't have anywhere to utilize that stuff right now you know there's just there's no with the market and the Housing Industry there's no there's nowhere for them to to entertain even using it so and they're going to have a lot of impact fee credits left over right now just from this particular the original Improvement that we agreed to and discussed during the MPD process so um I have had conversations with David I've had conversations obviously with my client we can agree to come back in six months 12 months whatever the period is that everyone's comfortable with and do an amendment to the existing da that would be approved today and to address some of the redesigned concerns that Mr couch had raised in regards to doing a sidewalk in place of a bike path hearing of that so I I do want to I do want to under you to go more in depth about why we would be taking out a bike oh you're talking about on the road yeah okay yeah um yeah which I don't think we're gonna do okay um but I definitely want the by the bike the multi-use path to stay so I need to understand today what's going on so I can vote on it and I have talked with karbala and uh with some of our staff and I don't think it should all be on the developer but I want to have a plan and I want I need to know what the plan is today that we're going to connect all that up okay so I mean we're here you can tell we're here just to try to we're trying to do the best we can I mean we've been put in a really bad position again because we had this all worked out we were on consent agenda when we went to Planning Commission so we thought everyone was in agreement so we were completely caught off guard by this and for us this D.A it needs we need to get it approved today I mean this is this is D-Day for this D.A I mean we have to get this done we've been a year in process just on this and we were over a year in process on the MPD so um we're willing to continue to look at it and work at whatever you know y'all want us to look at and work at and try to address concerns but our main goal right now today is to get our development agreement approved but we're here to answer any questions yeah so I see Brad coming up and some of the challenge here is I think we have a um we have a rural road section clock connecting into an urban road section and some other challenges so someone tell us how that's going to work out yeah there's going to be a little bit of complicated engineering it goes along with this like they said it is

able to be done there's an engineering solution for everything uh some of that does come at a cost however uh but I just want to clarify one thing is that the information on the sidewalks and the exchange of taking the bike Lanes out for the sidewalks was something that was recommended by one of the citizens uh the county does not agree to removing the bike Lanes at this time so we'll move forward with that trying to add the sidewalks in with whatever needs to happen to to make that occur well um I want to be sure we're talking about because there's a multi-use path coming down one of these sides so I want to make sure we're talking about we're talking about the multi-use path I don't care so much about the sidewalk but I care about the multi-use path so just wanna and I and I get that maybe there may be an area where we get constrained transition area where we have to squeeze in for a little bit but um I can't really tell what's going on with that with what I have in front of me so someone and I think others have questions too and we do have the public that will be saying something to so hey you know Jay hunting uh 30 30 Starkey Boulevard Newport Richie I'm with Florida Land Design and permitting just to clarify and Sir you've been sworn right yeah I've been sworn um just to clarify as I understand the request or the proposal from Mr couch it is that the uh typical cross-section of the vision Road be revised to eliminate bike lane in order to provide sidewalk I'd walk or paths just I just want the nomenclature to be clear typical cross section has a five foot sidewalk on one side and a 12 foot multi-use path on the other side and you and I met in the field and we discussed this and I think the The Proposal that we just got yesterday was to uh substitute side eliminate bike lane and substitute sidewalk for the multi-use path okay we've we've talked to staff about this we know staff does not support that that uh that idea um there is a there's a number of as Shelley said there's a number of obstacles to providing the additional sidewalks along the area of Bexley and Wisteria that's that's not being affected by the vision Road and that again has to do with right-of-way potential Wetland impacts engineering drainage issues which we have not worked out yet so I hope that clarifies at least somewhat what and and I believe that the the proposal for the for the additional sidewalks was something that was suggested by Mr couch so if I'm misrepresenting what his proposal is I'm sure he's here to speak on it he can he can well like me and then I wish I had some more diagrams to understand and this is kind of complex but and and Jerry may have some I see but I don't

think I don't think there was ever a thought that we shouldn't have I mean the multi-use trail continue or a sidewalk continue so whether it's your responsibility or not you know I'm sure all of it isn't and I understand that we um and I want to get it it's got to get all the way to 41. and that that comes through some property owned by the county you know we have that site where we've we have the commercial kitchen and we feed some of our elderly folks on Wisteria Loop and then there's a commercial piece on the corner and I just I just need to feel comfortable my staff that we are committing that it's going to get to 41. so um both of them well I I don't care so much about sidewalk as I do the multi-use and I does any do you have any Maps or anything Brad or does anyone to show where we're talking about so my fellow Commissioners can see what's going on through Section ABC yeah we we received this yesterday as well uh from the citizen he said I guess maybe it's no yeah can they show the aerial map and there you go there you go yeah because I don't know again the the transition it ends up okay see if that works okay so the transition from the proposed Vision Road to down to Wisteria is in that location and it it we're we're doing we're doing substandard Road improvements on on Bexley hysteria itself and then I think where we're talking about is the transition between [Music] the pink and the green there's this map too yes yeah or this okay this is the map that and um Boardwalk was the green they let him that it was approved with a sidewalk even though we had a a plan for a multi-use trail to be on that so it's kind of frustrating it's kind of yeah that was a mistake I think I think where I think we're Mr couch is asking for sidewalk on existing wisteria and this is not working on the south side see my map stops before it gets to that piece so Madam chair I'm sorry it's between where are we Vision roads and where the sidewalk begins at the Alden subdivision so the area in pink is where is where uh Mr couch is suggesting that we do sidewalk and then but from the from the north side I wait and a sidewalk on which side of the street on the north side of the street so it'll

transition from a 12 foot wide Trail to a sidewalk right there I believe so why when we own we're getting all that property to the north or to the east why would we why would we go from 12 foot to five there I'm sorry I can't answer that because we yeah because they're that all that land was donated to us from the Clark mpud that big Crescent so this was a request by uh one of the citizens this is not something that the county was in agreement with um that we brought it here so it can be discussed so Madam chairman yeah I have a suggestion is if if the if the team is done with their presentation as the applicant let's hear from Mr couch during public comment and whoever else might be out there and we can get to the bottom that's fine okay um so we will now take public comment I think we have at least one person who has signed up yes Mr couch is the only one that I have signed up and I did speak to Mr Gatt about this last night he couldn't be here today so Jeremy couch 6624 Wisteria Loop can I have a little bit of extra time because you can have Dad's time so you know I don't want to be here today but this is my neighborhood yep and I live out here and I just don't want to get this whole food barred up right the way that it looks in the D.A I mean God bless them but so if you can pull up this map right here really you have three segments four segments one of them isn't colored so there's a segment of road from 41 to the edge of Arden preserve which was built with Arden preserve it was done substandard Road Improvement so they made the pavement nice they put a sidewalk in front of Arden preserve looks good the second segment is the pink segment in front of my house where essentially The Proposal is just to widen the pavement no Trail no sidewalk nothing that's in the section um if somebody turns the Elmo on I can show you what that looks like do we have an Elmo and so it's it's just a rural section just 11 foot Lanes then then you're going to get into this is the vision road that the counties buy is just the yellow segment so for just the yellow segment we're going to have the typical section and bless the staff they're doing what they're supposed to they do what you tell them but they're just going to have the Yelp they're just going to have the path and the sidewalk and just the yellow segment not in the blue no not in the blue so then you're going to have another Gap you see where that little blue that goes like this is the little upside down U we're just going to have regular payment widening there we're not going to have a sidewalk we're not going to have a trail then when you get in front of the actual

renter property you're going to have a sidewalk so ultimately you know my heartburn is is when you're done yeah that's not this is what you're going to have so the corner is being built at site plan 22-003 it's a self storage they're going to build the sidewalk on the hard corner they're not going to build the sidewalk in front of the elderly Center Arden preserve is built then you have a gap in front of my place which there will not be anything then you're going to have this little loop-de-loop where you're going to have something then again you're going to have nothing and then you're going to have something that looks like this is what we're proposing and I just it puts me in a bad situation to be here no this is my client they're not my client anymore obviously I'm I'm embarrassed if that's what's in front of us I am like embarrassed and I will tell you that I have I have asked for us to have a Trails person who over who is over all the trails over the MPL Trails over the parks trails and over these kind of trails and this is why we need that kind of person because someone's got to look at the whole picture and I I'm just I am astounded that that this is coming to us like this I don't and so the second part first time I thought it's bad and so the second part of the story is what they were saying what I suggest is I understand there's only so much money in their Mobility fees and I don't want to get in the way of their project and their progress and I would like to see the road fix because the road is a mess and for the most part the widening that they're doing and the overlay that they're going to do is going to be a huge benefit to everybody but it is going to be really goofy to have this rural section and then we hit curb and gutter for it's only a thousand feet we're going to have like this curb and gutter bike lane situation and then we're back to rural so what I was suggesting was look it's nobody's going to come along east of the yellow and curb and gutter and build Trails it's not going to happen you have to condemn everybody's property there's no right away on the South Side it just it would never happen same with the West of there there may be Clark is on the north side of them but there's a bunch of small Lots on the west so you probably have to condemn that too so you know with the money that's there doing a minimum 11 foot lanes and tying the sidewalk in whether that sidewalk is five foot or 12 foot however we can fill in the gaps that's the best situation because what happens and I see these people every day here's what they do they come out of Arden Preserve and they have a sidewalk in front of Arden preserve but these folks they're not inmates they don't want to be stuck in their neighborhood Arden preserved sidewalk goes nowhere and they don't walk on it because they

got to cross a giant ditch to get out to the road so they come out and they go straight to the road and they walk down the road because it's nice I saw I saw I saw the mom with the stroller the cross-country team trains out there people walk with strollers I mean a sidewalk of some sort connecting all the way to 41 where we do have the trail which will hook into 52 and Ridge and it goes into Connerton like that network is there it's just getting from Renner to 41. yeah and it's a lot cheaper to build that than pavement let me ask our staff a question and maybe I jumped the gun um what is the trail plan out here yeah see that's you see why I'm asking for that person like I'm sorry I mean I will say that this is part of a vision Road Network yeah and along that Vision Road as you can see from the section there is in that section contemplation for a 12-foot Trail and a five foot sidewalk I think what you have here is the the way that development is occurring yes it's a bit it may appear to be a bit Patchwork you know as as Mr Cals you know points out however at some point it is the County's Vision to connect I will tell you on the other end of this particular segment of Road in Bexley it looks exactly like that 80-foot segment so if it is the plan and what the staff is doing is trying to fulfill the vision of that plan we will have transitional areas now based on some of the stuff that I saw from from the public that was presented I get the issue between Arden preserve and that yellow segment I have no issue with the county working out a deal with the developer to pay the developer to connect that five foot sidewalk so there's not a discontinuity there but we will have discontinuities and transitions as we move to fulfill this Vision which is what staff is doing so why why is the trail only coming if I understood him right the trail only coming in the yellow and not in the blue I would suspect and I'll defer to Terry and the team that we lack sufficient right-of-way in that area well then why aren't we getting some of the purpose for the right away again it's it's a chicken in the egg I mean at some point you have to fulfill the sections and the visions and we will come later I promise you if we do it the way that Mr couch is we will be paying for that right-of-way in the future and we will pay a significant penny for it but the but the northern part is the Clark and PUD in the southern Parts the runner so where are you going to get the right of way if you don't get it now I'll have to defer to the team I would assume that we would work that out as part of the development agreements but I don't know where those stand that is sure yeah the yellow part that is that in the yellow part and the pink part is that's in the Clark and Beauty as well nope they're in the north they're building a road to the north but right are you asking at the Clark MPD is paying for that because they're not no

I'm just uh no I know we had the right away from it but I'm just saying yeah that that's if that's part of the clock MPD if we're getting the right-of-way for the pink and the yellow I'm sure we got to be getting the right away for the blue section c you're talking about the section A so if they can pull up the updated Vision Road exhibit it shows the Clark property mpud can they pull up this is this ready for prime time here because we're having a lot of discussion on this just being honest can you pull up this types of things that have worked out before they come in front of it it's on the agenda package I'm gonna make engineering decisions on the dice when I walked it with degree it's when I walked it with our Engineers page six it was discussed that they were going to have to figure out meeting the two but it doesn't sound like that was figured out yeah I mean I think the blue segment seems to be the issue here at this point I think we have the yellow and the purple worked out um the blue segments go through Brad can you perhaps explain a little more sure again this is a what we consider a very small project uh so they only had to come up with the substandard road improvements the substantive Road improvements do not mean adding all of the ultimately desired amenities of the county there just to bring that up to what's the substandard road level um it's different than our typical section so what's happening there in the blue is that substandard road Improvement they were required to do what the board then requested was that they pick up from the end of that and put in the vision roads segment so the yellow is Division Road segment which has the typical uh there and then where they're tying that back in to the other Road they weren't including that and that's what said that we'd be willing to work with them on adding that sidewalk back in so there's a connection there on that North Side okay but that's why they're they're three different things I need I need to I need us to be talking about the multi-use trail and the sidewalk right I mean so just when you say add the sidewalk on the North side the multi-use trail is on the north side so I use is there a sidewalk on the blue side or is there nothing but road right now in the blue I mean doesn't every neighborhood have to have a sidewalk in front of it right now at the minimum yeah and this we have sidewalk in front of our project along their Frontage okay as you go along so we have pink and purple so I'm I'm now talking about the purple the purple and the blue so um and I'm sorry I guess we don't have a diagram of it maybe it's buried in here you have sidewalk from in only the blue section or from the corner of your purple all the way to the other corner of your

purple on the North side we have sidewalk from the west side of the purple on the left to where to halfway up the purple right before that bed so every along the entire front edge of the purple okay Madam chair providing sidewalks and what about the multi-use trail on the North the multi-use trail in in the in the is only being proposed for The yellow section that will it's on the south it's on the south side of the road and there's an also it has as per the vision Road whole section we're being asked to build there's a five foot sidewalk on the north side of the vision road so what we're doing five foot what we're doing I'm sorry what we're doing is we're building a section of the Future Vision Road Madam chair if he pulls up the other if they pull up the other map it might be a little easier I asked them what exhibit they need but I'm feeling a continuance is coming because yeah this is kind of messed up I'm sorry yeah I agree I mean I know to get it done again but now we're sitting it's kind of like glasses yeah we're gonna go back and forth all day you know 200 yards of multi-use Trail it doesn't connect on the on the ends you know on the north side of the road along that doesn't happen this property there are other properties there are other owners there and it would pretty much require the condemnation of some of those properties or at least a portion thereof to be able to do that full monthly use well then the road needs to come South a little bit okay that wasn't yeah guys you can't plan to have a multi-use trail that's only 200 yards long it starts somewhere every sidewalk starts with the sidewalker Block it's not 10 miles long to begin with there are pieces that come and pieces that get filled in but if Mike carball has made a commitment that we're going to do what we need to do to create this vision and make this happen why didn't we swing Bexley down a little bit I don't know yeah we're not going to fix this today and sure yeah AV homes 19810 more to bus drive I have been sworn um thank you all for your patience today this came up at the last minute the vision Road as you know was an off-site Road three million dollars of cost that we're building and that's been planned and we there's been a year of work into it the sidewalk just came up could you please approve if possible or consider approval of the D.A as presented with this three million dollar Vision Road and we'll agree to come back and do an amendment to the D.A within six months that should give time for staff to work on the sidewalks get Jeremy Couch's input some good exhibits for you for the next time we come up here we just have three million dollars worth of impact fee credits we can only utilize 700 000 so we'd like to talk to you in six months about how that can be

done working with the county but we're we're here for the Long Haul but please let us move forward it's been a very long process and we're Cooperative we just can't plan for these possibilities and eventualities that no one knows yeah I'm sure go to the county attorney how would we Madam chair sorry um Mr Mr Steiner um think about his suggestion about approving the D.A somehow in the motion to within six months bring back a minute how would we do that because I'm not a familiar I've never seen that data it can be done um Mr Goldstein and I had the conversation about doing it it may be more appropriate to say to trigger it to a stopper okay as well as the six months but David did you have some language for that [Music] development agreement amendment that addresses required multi-use past the Android walls red area is the district commissioner good with that with his suggestion and I'm okay with that but um you make the motion then it'll well I have I still have let me ask a few questions but I'm going to be okay with that um when I look at the map at uh where your mpud is no Mike come back up um I see I see a very nice house there and I'm guessing that mess might be Mr Renner it's Mr renner's House who's anxious to find greater pastors sure and is his house staying or is his house going no man that's oh looks like a nice house um so and I'm not saying that you guys need to take on more costs because I understand that your your project only generates so much um that you're and you're already putting a lot in what I'm saying is county has to have a plan and um and I don't I I wish that that was already worked out I didn't say it was your credits I mean it may be that the county some bicycle pedestrian Mobility fees in this area to assist the developer with those costs but that's something we'd have to work out through the amendment all right and that and I'm okay with that as long as we we and I know it's a lot of our responsibility to figure out how to connect that but it just you know I just feel we need to have a plan and just a little more discussion though just for future as well we had the Arden MPD coming in those connections should have been made out to 41. I agree and we should we should have been part of that mix right around that should have been done at that point in time when the Clark mpud was out here all this roadway improvements going on

their property why didn't why didn't get that that get included when they were coming in even if I had to give MPV impact fee credits now I understand we can get the right away we need because they're not building anything especially in the red section and part of that yellow but again that that's something that in a master plan unit development we should have done that that's why I feel we need that that person that we don't have right now yep I'm sure so originally the road was not cutting through it was borderline and adjacent to the Clark property just like the red the yellow originally went down until the road had gotten shifted Northern yeah and uh and we're being donated that all that land to the left of the red stripe that's been donated to the county so there's plenty of room for a multi-use trail on that North Side the county still has to request that land bam we have now requested it hey Whoever has to ask let's make sure we do the asking all right I think we can figure this out um I would you know it would have been good to be figured out ahead of time but I I understand I would be more comfortable if it was resolved prior for me to make that motion um I'll make the motion and I'll make the motion to prove the D.A under um consideration of Mr Goldstein can you repeat that please okay to add a sentence to the D.A that within six months of this approval are part of the first polymer site plan approval they'll enter into a D.A amendment that addresses the requirement for sidewalks and or multi-use paths within the red and blue areas shown on this graphic that's my motion second okay and I'm and I'm sorry I understand discussion I'm going to say something Mr couch because I'm not sure you finished your presentation but um I did talk with staff about getting rid of the bike lane and um they're thinking about just changing that name and not calling it a bike lane because who wants to bike there and calling it The what do you want to call the shoulder or something they feel it's necessary to have that in case there's a car issue so I think that's a discussion we need to have that does every road have to have that extra six feet on the sides I don't know um you know maybe uh I think we're giving up a lot to have that three foot I think it's three foot on each side on every single Road well we could do this and this is what we're going to get worked out when it comes back now so I did cut off Mr councilman's presentation commissioner I would just ask if you could say also to 41 because if we're going to spend sidewalk money the last segment is in front of county-owned property and um the way you just said it they don't have to build that if we give them the money it'd be nice for them to build that too I I don't think that's gonna be them I think that's gonna be us it may be more appropriate to handle that as a

as a project in the future I understand that that connectivity is important but I also understand there are some technical challenges and some right-of-way issues on that side as well but if he's if that if that property guys is coming in we got to make sure uh that who whatever staff is working on it knows that that's got to connect to 41. so Madam chair I want to be clear about why I did not include any area other than the red and the blue it's because the developer is already doing construction in the red and blue areas so it makes sense that if they have a contractor out there anyway that they put in the sidewalks they are not planning to do any construction east of the red area yeah no I know that's on us in my opinion and if we want to hire the contractor to continue if we have the money we can do that tonight and where is the school located it's it's Arden MPD has a trail a connecting trail behind there and then Clark has one as well so so there will be a connected Trail first students there isn't right now on the blue that's part of the problem all right all in favor aye all right good luck guys all of y'all okay all right we're back to the RS and I'm gonna have to keep this straight Delta oh yeah so for an r78 um Dr deshant couldn't stay so we are going to move that presentation to December 6th I think here in New Port Richey um r79 was that the one that we already did yeah no we did 70 days okay our 79 good afternoon Carrie Roberts purchasing director I'm here today to do the introduction of the purchasing ordinance changes the major changes that we'd like to bring to your attention are the cyber security changes that have been added due to the Florida statute 282.318 that went into effect July 1st which caters to I'm sorry which makes cyber security purchases exempt in certain certain situations and then also we would be asking for updates to the purchasing thresholds and approvals you've each been briefed individually on these if you would like me to expand on any of them I can we have the presentation which we can go over if you'd like or I can just answer questions to answer questions well um I know I have made some comments I didn't know if those comments got into the any changes or did you leave it as a result not yet ma'am our plan was to get any questions and comments from today and then in between this and the second reading propose those changes and bring those back to you all right and you got those those fake action today no no actions this is Introduction so you will have come back with the public with a single public hearing for this project for this ordinance well if you have my comments from our meeting then that's fine with me yeah

commissioner Mariana I'm Jude as well move approval second all in favor aye thank you thank you okay r do we have an r80 yes okay all righty that's your local that's your local Paving oh yeah here we go good afternoon um so this is pipa 23.0012 local road paving Municipal service taxing unit also known as mstu my apologies I didn't introduce myself Justin Grant Public infrastructure fiscal and business administration director Dive Right In Here um quick background on Paving and Paving assessments I won't go through every item on this timeline uh slide here but it's notable that back in 1985 uh Ordnance summer 8506 kind of starts to establish where the county starts doing Special assessments on things like Paving in 2002 you start to see the formulation via ordinance number zero two one seven uh starts to get into the eru methodology that starts to form the basis of what we use today for pvas then in 2013 we transitioned the billing to the tax bill we start to take the steps that are necessary to put it on the tax bill and so you get into 2015 where projects that came on to the board in 2016 and after transitioned into the tax bill that's notable because prior to this you'll hear terms like anniversary billing that was used for pvas that was a separate billing practice that the county took on mailed out Billings separate from the tax bill you can we'll walk through some challenges that are that are way with the pvas program collections things like that delinquencies that go with that when you get to the tax bill that's a whole different ball game so here you go the problem with the current pvas program is it doesn't collect sufficient Revenue to stay and stuff this board has heard that a number of different times in a number of different ways and and right now that requires a continued support support from the road bridge fund and or other funds within the county so three main points here you've got a couple of pictures of different roads but right now pvas doesn't contemplate continued maintenance under pvas assessment so that means that you can go in and you can do a road in a lot of cases right FDR and things like that full depth recognition and there's not a continuing maintenance program so that same road can come back 20 years from now and need to go back into the pbas program the way that the program currently operates it also doesn't provide an option to transition B roads or Euros so you've heard Public Works and Brantford specifically talk about some of those items before PVS doesn't offer an option to handle those types of things and finally we presented this board a couple of times in public works has done a great job doing uh local Road data collection on everything we've got when you start to tally up those numbers it's pretty uh pretty massive right 1.2 billion dollars over 30 years to try and make those transitions pay things get

into a program so how do we assess how do we manage that so if you've seen this slide in a number of different separate meetings and before this board before I won't get too incredibly detailed on this but what it's basically saying is rather than and you've heard actually Branford and his prior presentations go through and talk about maintenance on your car right so going through and when you you do your oil changes change your fluids stay up on that right you prevent larger dollar and more major maintenance later on right so your your average upkeep is lower in dollar and in intensity and so you see these graphs here where in the bottom left right your road starts out between 90 and 100 when you're doing that and you can in the top right graph illustrates where if you're spending incremental dollars in Rejuvenation which is at a much lower cost uh you're a lot you're able to keep the life of that road longer at a greater condition at a much lower cost right so when you get down into the yellows oranges and reds you're spending far more dollars to do much larger projects increasing your total cost into the road so the successor strategy is to establish a local road paving mstu Municipal service taxing unit and so that's going to do a couple things right it's going to transition over to a millage based process the funding becomes 100 tax billing provides consistent stable source of funds project area is intended to be similar to what's with pvas and we have the option with an mscu worked with county attorney's office to make sure that we have the options to exclude areas that holistically do these types of services on their own so municipality exists within the county that do this as well as certain cdds that completely on the roads do all their maintenance we would be able to exclude them from this fixture so important timeline right this is a very complex and multi-uh step process and so we're here in the first step of that process here to make sure that we get direction from the board if they choose that this is in fact the option that they want to move forward as the vehicle to replace pvas and so that's today here on the 25th The Next Step would be in December and this would be where staff would come back and present findings to the board really Define who's in and who's out in terms of the benefiting area and establish an MST role in an ordinance for consideration then in Spring of 2023 this is where we present additional findings to the board and start to talk more into the minutia which is including I know a lot of us will have questions on what is the rate going to be how do we calculate that the short answer is that is a discussion that for part of this process here would be best to be had there in the spring of 2023 as well as how do we wind down pvas right something that's been going on for 30 plus years lots of different um you know variations on how one might do that right so we're working to go through all those things collect all the

intricate data and present a number of uh concise options for the board to consider then finally in summer 2023 if it's an mstu as a part of the budget process for the next budget year and tax year we would go through and follow the trim process and do our hearings and do that for year one and so that would be in summer of 2023 that would allow if the board follows this calendar here for our first billing to be on the tax bill issued November 1st of 2023. so therefore the recommended action for today is the first step in that process on the prior slide which is to direct staff to move forward choose the mstu as the vehicle if the board does that as its pleasure that that's the vehicle you'd like to use to replace pvas make that decision today direct staff to prepare the necessary things work with the county attorney's office to prepare an ordinance and come back and see you in December important representing questions once Madam chair just to reiterate something make sure the public hears us too cdds that currently maintain the roads of course they'll be carved out there's some already some HOAs as well but um that's important because obviously those folks already pay to maintain their roads the ones that do do it so I just want to make sure that just to restate if you could restate that sure yeah so the the intention in Wallace is a very complex and labor-intensive exercise there's a number of different cdds throughout the county and there's a handful that we've identified that holistically own do maintenance and own those roads and and assess their residence for that activity the intention of this unit would be to exclude them from that now there's a number that have hybrids that you know there's not Road you know ownership and there's certain right-of-way issues there's some that kind of fall in the middle we're working through a lot of those details right now so you'll have that kind of coming for consideration in the spring but yes just succinctly answer your question if they holistically handle all of that on their own they assess their residence for such they would not be part of this District yeah because some of them actually As We Know because of the past DA's actually allow the public on the roads whether CDs still maintain or 100 percent obligated you know to maintain their roads and their sidewalks as well so that's obviously in I love seeing that because again it's not on the rest of the county taxpayers back you make a choice to live there because it's being maintained and you're paying for it you know what you're in for before you buy it um but uh just want to make that statement so people that are already paying for it don't think they're going to pay for it again to the one one clarification is the intent is that those subdivisions which had

County Roads but the maintenance responsibility was turned over to the HOA ocdd would well no oh you're talking about you wouldn't have it you wouldn't have the scenario so yeah so if back in the day before I got here the there were plots that they were County local roads but the associations were tests with maintenance responsibility those would be in this program because those are also the people who are coming to you and saying we'd like we need to be pbass because we can't they're not really maintaining the roads purely if it's purely private yeah those we wouldn't be maintaining their roads they're still private roads but if it if it is a like areas of Moon Lake the plots all say that they're public roads but the county doesn't normally maintain gotcha maintain them except for extraordinary circumstances but they would now be taking over those roads uh some point in the in some point this program would would move those into the system for for maintenance yes yeah that's correct based on however the millage is established and these are the details that we're talking about our intention would be to migrate B roads into County maintenance as well as look at dirt roads and other things as we come that will depend on funding and other things which will be discussed 100 of the roads will not be done the first year you level Levy millage I promise it's a big number over many years in my district I have a comment on dirt roads but I'll save it because commission Mariano okay because it's you know for the for those that you know the cdds obviously separate from that make sense hoes as well taken care of it but those that are living on paved roads compared to the ones that are on dirt roads I would find it hard to accept that a person on a paper would not end up paying the same assessment someone on a dirt road that's what I was going to do so I'm going to be looking for something where if it is a dirt road there could be an extra assessment put on it when it's done kind of like a PS is now once they're up to code from there then it can go away but you've got to make that separation so I will I will tell you that the majority of County governments that's what they use pvas for they don't call it pfest but but the special assessment process is used to take a dirt road and make it asphalt and bring it into the county system that's that's how and maybe we need to still do that but but again it wouldn't be as much money for them to convert the dirt road because they're going to be paying this as well so there may be like a cut of let's say the dollar I'll just say it's a hundred dollars a year for a dirt road it may be you make that a 200 sure compared to the other whatever and I'm just throwing out numbers certainly yeah and and as we've

kind of stated right that there's a reason why there's a number of different meetings and a lot of Staff time built into this um you know County Terry did an excellent job describing the complexities of our road system and all the different dedications that have happened over the last 30 40 years there's a lot of trying to rectify that analyze that bring all that in the other thing with pvas like you're talking about will present some different options one of the main functions with pvas that creates some of those issues is the funding issue which is all those different designations in terms of discounts and things like that that have created significant negative cash flow which is why we're standing here today among a number of other reasons and so with an msdu I know it's been talked before right when you get out of an msbu which is special benefit fly things and you get into more of a taxable assessment the intention fundamentally is to have a more uniform system we'll certainly try to make sure we we analyze all situations you're mentioning and I'll tell you Josh I give you a lot of credit for bringing this forward I mean you've done some great work for this County to bring in very complex things together to make it happen so you know when we did that Highlands pvas we had like different categories or roads that the people that had the nice Road didn't have to pay as much Etc and I think if you set that up once they're on the dirt road and they get it paved then they can go into let's say the regular MS to you and once that's done that can be eliminated so you might have to separate out Section 8 for dirt roads and then section B for paved roads that may be what it takes so the only thing I would say is is just prepare the board for the complexity and the elements that are associated with that we'll work closely with the county attorney's office when you get into the TU the idea here was to be able to have a and certainly not resisting what you're saying those are all great points um you're looking at a broad umbrella that's going to cover thing exclude large you know polygons and things like that rather than getting into a bu type test that we've discussed before that gets into individual property assessments directly off of a road which is kind of like what pvas does in some of those smaller districts now well you can call it whatever you want just have a system to um have people on the paved Road pay pay to get pay more pay more to have it paved because the problem is madam chairman that that you're going to set it unless you set separate unless you create separate mstus well maybe that's what we do the millage is the millage so whatever you Levy is going to be the millage for the entire mstu okay well that's like fire and Madam chair yep um and that's a perfect example because if you have someone with a 300 000 home living on a paved Road and then you have

someone in a 20 or 80 000 mobile home living on a dirt road the dirt road is going to pay less but they are going to be cost more it's going to cost them more to upgrade their roads and then what if there are private roads out there that want to keep their dirt roads they're private we're not touching them the private roads would be excluded Madam chair yep one more thought too something for a bigger picture as far as we're going and I know we've looked at it with doing concrete but the ash that we have at the plant is we're going to do these dirt roads to cut down the cost and make it more affordable and provide a longer term benefit for the county for those giant piles that if we can eliminate I think the ash should be trying to look at wherever we can because obviously you got at the right sea level like for it to work but I think we should be looking at incorporating that as well I also um saw somewhere I think at the Naco conference I think it was that people were taking I'm sorry glass and not putting glass in the road but really putting it back to sand or whatever and adding that to road base yeah I think that'll come down to Project Specific ideas on how to stretch those dollars and resources but absolutely appreciate the input yeah because I was gonna say with the ash it actually reduced it to a fraction of the cost of the roads yep that's why we're doing it um I am really glad this is coming forward we heard someone today talking about potholes and um they said the road is good because they have potholes but that pothole is only good till the next big wash rain and then then it pops out and it's super costly for the taxpayers to keep coming back in and put fix in your potholes so um I'm really glad that we're bringing this I I I wish we had gotten it done with all these Commissioners because we're gonna have two new Commissioners and you know they haven't been through the pain of what we go through when we go through a pvas project of course also um we have that um the challenge that I'm sure we can do it is if for example my neighborhood aristida just is going through the pbas um program and we have some folks here who just had a cul-de-sac go through and there will be a way this is kind of for the public there will be a way that you will be assimilated into the new program so you won't be paying twice and um and you'll your cost will kind of be switched to the new the new one so we'll have this little buffer time um all in favor aye I'm so glad I wish it was all done already okay on your post oh anyone opposed nope okay all right uh now are we done with the R's okay commissioner items commissioner

Oakley October 25th we had a cleanup out at uh lakuchi we removed 25.75 tons of trash was removed from the lakuchi community clean up on Saturday October the 15th a special thanks to so so neat and for coordinating the event and the county staff volunteers and area residents that participated in making this event a success I think you keep seeing in all of our districts uh when we have these cleanups that that we're getting that kind of tonnage out of there that's just sitting around in those neighborhoods another thing I'd like to bring up was the um on uh on here excuse me here's some pictures of that Cleanup in lacoochee I see you got a boat on mine we got a jet ski there that's Mr Riley there in the background there so there he is here chat him down so they all had a great time getting the cleanup so wonderful very good yep it's been it's been real good but on Thursday of this week at 11 o'clock at the historic Courthouse we're gonna have a groundbreaking ribbon cutting of the start of the following officer Memorial which we've all been waiting on for many many years um it's finally that time and we're going to move forward with it it'll be a great Dan Pasco to have that started and eventually we'll have a ribbon cutting when that when that's all prepared for for the community so it's been a long long time happening and it's great to even be talking about it I talked to Andrew Baxter today we've been fighting through just getting it done so uh we're gonna have that at least when is that 11 o'clock on Thursday it won't last long but yeah but it'll be it'll be good to see it happening well we worked hard on that but a friend of mine uh Randy blankship helped me uh I had reached out to Craig before and they'd been held up they said their funding had quit on uh getting money to help prepare for paying for the memorial and all the construction that has to go in it and I said well how much money you need and his first answer was oh 50 or 60 000 and um coming to find out it was it was I said well won't you think about and tell me tomorrow what you think it should be and they came back with a hundred thousand and uh but they they had stopped being able to fundraise because we had coveted during that time I actually asked Jeff about the possibility reaching out to people over the neighbors and in our community and worked with us in the county but as Ron Oakley and not as a commander uh Randy and I both were able to successfully get another hundred thousand and that was bringing it to a head but then we had issues with products and just same as we have here

with other items we need for facilities and other things that delay of products coming and all has held us up so now we're going to break that ground we're ready to get started and that will come to fruition and be a great thing how long will it take Pasco County how long do you think it's going to take good question I would hope and I'd hope it happened in eight months if it takes long or not I mean we've got the memorial do you have your permit you got to do the build a base and then have other items come so City oh it's in the city I think it'll happen pretty quick but I'll tell you what I will push until we get it done so it's uh it's something that's been long needed here in Pasco County to be there for those funnel officers that we've had over the years yeah that's a good thing yep anything else that's it commissioner Moore thank you ma'am uh two appointments two TDC appointments um we have openings the first one uh Pasco Collard Sarah Vandenberg Tennis Center wellness center for a seat for someone that's demonstrated an interest in the tourism development industry obviously a perfect fit you know the great things they're doing there so if I could have a second I'll make that motion second all in favor aye aye opposed okay second one can you see opening for a hotelier Rebecca Hayes has the Dual general manager and the director of sales for the residents in my Marriott run by Mainsail that's the one next to our Wiregrass we're at sports campus okay obviously makes sense for that person considering that they're leasing our Our Land here in El Pasco County and they're good partners a second thank you Rebecca Hayes I have a motion and there was a second all in favor aye aye opposed great thank you madam chair thank you for the votes on that um last one if we could uh if you don't mind putting that senior games uh volunteer sign up for me um as you know our uh DMO Florida sports coach Adam Thomas of his team has done an excellent job working with um the Florida senior games and as you saw was at three years we have it three years in a row coming up um so they need volunteers for those at home um December 3rd through 11th if you go on the Florida Sports Coast website or the Florida senior games website as well stand up for sleep sitting seat sitting yeah so you could check people in at the event but they need they need volunteers like anything else so December 3rd to 11th and one of the thing you know one of the groups of people that are needing those volunteer hours a lot of our students they're looking to get their bright future scholarships so it's a perfect opportunity for high school students especially to

go out there and gain their hours so third through this through the 11th they need volunteers and for now that's all I have thank you madam chair okay um commissioner Fitzpatrick um well real quick I'll just mention the human trafficking commission for human trafficking students in the Pasco County Schools will be putting together three PSAs to help raise awareness on human trafficking last weekend I did attend the tunnel to Towers event which is great because they house and build houses for our Gold Member families and our wounded veterans and of course it's right here in Pasco County they're building the do-good community and lastly I just wanted to mention and just put on everyone's radar when we have our youth in Pasco County that want to play different sports and of course we've all heard we need more fields when I hear different leagues other than Little League that would like to be able to utilize our baseball fields and we have travel teams out there and they have to play on men's youth youth men's softball fields I find it upsetting because we need to make sure that all of our youth are able to utilize these fields and I know a couple years ago when I first came into office it was a discussion that the Little League fields would be writing down and having to rent the fields just so basically we knew which days of the week that the fields were actually being utilized say they only use them instead of instead of blocking out Monday through Friday from six to nine they can say okay we're utilizing the fields these specific hours so maybe Thursday there's a two hour gap where another Youth League can come in and utilize those fields I think our youth are baseball fields and any youth field needs to be utilized by everyone in Pasco County and not just one group because I feel like we're spending millions of dollars to for one specific League every middle school has a field and why they're not used able to use them I I don't understand it very good observation so let's I'll work on moving forward with that as well but just keep an eye out on that because I am going to do a lot more digging into that situation just to make sure that all kids and all of our youth in Pasco County have a field to play on thank you Mr Mariana thank you madam chair a couple of things we had a great cleanup at Sea Pines over the weekend Saturday with a group of people out there we took everything from all the ditches along Old Dixie cleaned it all out they were very appreciative to have the strong Water Project moving forward they had a vote of like 147 or 87 to seven some crazy numbers so it was great our staff did a great job cleaning up at Griffin Park and we'll have a schedule another cleanup for embassy and Regency Park coming up well you get you get one a year

well let me seeing 0-1 huh they're one Embassy and Regency Park there one yeah no but you get one per calendar year so if you just did one or the calendar year started October first unless we changed that policy but one per fiscal year yeah right one per District per fiscal year right so if you just did one when did you do it Griffin Park is my district was just a staff going up there cleaning a little area oh okay then you're going to see friends was just all the residents so uh well wait a minute I don't know if you're gold or not that's on them no it was a small little area that was yeah I don't know I don't know if it matters anyway no wasn't it wasn't a neighborhood cleanup um uh I've got an opening on the mpo um James mallow is required to be on it I've asked him to be on it so he's agreed that's my motion Madam chair the mpo appointment should be made by dmpo or the NPO okay yes I put him on my CAC is that is that so what's going on because he was my he was my appointee from understanding is not in the district anymore he's not in my district so he he's moved into your District so that's where I and I need an appointment I need someone with energy so I think it'd be does that mean now I have to point somewhere all right I'll find something okay he took my guy okay um I want commissioner Oakley to be here but I've got a tape for about 10 minutes long from Robert Koenig from the contractors Institute I want to play but I want mistoqua to be in here so if you want to go into the next one okay uh County Administrator really just one thing in front of me here are two more Telly awards that uh we we've added to our uh award closet here in the county these are the first and only two that our media relations and Communications team have uh have ever submitted on an award and uh they created these videos entirely in-house so it's actually a pretty uh pretty pretty big deal other winners in the categories that we were included the Center for Disease Control FEMA as well as the U.S Department of Veterans Affair in the US Department of Education it's a huge honor for our folks concerning the number of entries over 12 000 entries from all 50 states and five continents every year and so um you know I saw commissioner Moore i in them you know make another grab figure figure I've got fingerprints on them and everything um if if we have time I can show you one or two of the videos that won but uh otherwise I'll I'll defer I know we're trying to I see commissioner Oakley's back so we'll we'll defer that I'll send you the video link so you can take a look at them at your convenience but we're really really proud it's a big deal so thank you to our media relations team if that's all you have then I'm going to come back to you and my commissioner items to talk about development permitting permitting to continue that discussion

look at this this tape will be kind of relevant to that as well sure hopefully I'm good with it I I I'm good with time Zach has a tape that he wants us to see and it kind of has to do with the permitting I guess the permitting process classroom no no this is about permitting in general and the gentleman from the concert contracts Institute Robert Koenig came to speak we had a meeting with Mr carbella Mr Beth I had Mr Bellis and Mr Bailey in here no permitting staff just I wanted people to be able to come forward and speak and this is about a just over 10 minute presentation but he really kind of like I think brought everything to light but what we can do there's a solution that's out there and I think he he hides some heavy stuff but I think it's something we can use and benefit from yeah okay Mr Merino how are you thank you uh my name is Bob koning k-o-n-i-n-g I'm the director of the contractors Institute and I'm a lifelong resident of Pasco County born in Newport Richie or as when I was a kid in PR we called it no place really uh I hear at The Institute I hear a lot and from contractors all over the state we're one of the largest providers of exam prep and continuing education and all around the State Building departments largely get beat on you know because they're the they're the point everybody's looking but here in my own Hometown I I can't help but feel the frustration a lot of this at some point becomes self-inflicted these problems we're having for instance we teach we have taught many inspectors in Pasco Pinellas Hillsboro Miami-Dade Jacksonville I've been teaching inspections inspectors and building code officials since the 80s oh we teach rightfully so the building code in chapter one and the the process is supposed to work like this building code in chapter one says hey these are the things you will submit plans and and those items will be reviewed by a plans Examiner and that plans examiner how are you my friend uh we'll make notes as things that they feel the conflicts with the code plants examiners aren't Architects or Engineers they're not to review calculations or ask for calculations to be submitted if you're a plans examiner and you doubt something ask it to be peer reviewed okay so the plans examiner then uh approves those plans those plans then are stamped and are taken out into the field then the field inspector is goes out there to see in fact what that plans examiner evaluated and approved is does in fact exist in reality okay now that list of things that you look at as a plans examiner and those things you follow are codified in chapter one of the code however it gives we all know Florida statute 553 conveyed

the right for local governments to amend and have more inspections see you can have a mental health inspection code doesn't require but you can you can have this roof dry inspection code doesn't require but you can you can add all these other things and that's what we've done we've put a burden on our inspector's shoulders that we didn't need to listen there's what the code says you check there's what you inspect the rest is up to the Builder if the Builder's not doing it right he's going to get sued civilly There Are Rules we are not we meaning code officials because I am both a code official and a contractor we are not God we have inspectors out there measuring the shower slopes in the floor for a quarter inch foot and and stopping projects we have inspectors out there so oh there's no baffles in high-heeled trusses to stop the blow when it's impossible it can't we have plans examiner holding up grades away from building on a house that was submitted on Piers for God's sakes yes that is incompetence at a level uncomprehensible but we can't fix that it it is that's right the the education the training in the field is bad in the inspectors is bad but what we can do is not over burden the inspectors we have we want to make our duty at least my opinion our duty as code officials is to in fact see that items of Public Safety are in fact done if your mental math is turned uh a quarter turn as we we had one I I wrote Esther about and and they and they and they red tagged it that's not even in the code to check that's not accurate it wasn't an accurate statement and there was no reason but it's what that inspector felt well I was trained at so we need to take a look in my opinion as what what burden we're putting on our plans examiners and what burden we're putting on our inspectors and relieve that first second I mentioned this earlier uh maybe a year ago to the building official I think we really need a three panel volunteer group that works with the building department if you're having problems getting something approved and the Departments can't talk put it to a three panel I'll volunteer I know a lot of other people will volunteer we don't have to have any Authority but just say look this guy has this problem why don't we resolve it like this we have a we have an owner's affidavit here a lady sent me a realtor who I've known for years a man owns property over 15 years a trailer on a piece of property and he he lives up north the thing is dilapidulated he wants to sell it he can't come back anymore to Florida so he says I can't sell this in good Consciousness it wouldn't be safe we need to tear it down so he comes down to Florida he gets an

owner's permit to tear the coach down and I have all the documents it was just the coach nothing else he tears it down the only Department comes out oh well wait a minute you didn't tear up all those slabs and things it's not on the paperwork they said it was on the paperwork I got the paperwork's not so we're going to reject it no by the way since you pull an owner's permits that you you can't sell that for a year that's not what the owners says they'd talk to the county attorney before you start a spouting nonsense like that off that's not what it says but he told him you can't sell it for a year because you improved it it didn't improved it you tore a coach down you demolished it dear sweet Jesus so we get the god syndrome nobody seems to be back in our home office that says that can rain the mule back and say look whoa whoa whoa you're outside your boundaries if you have a problem with this as the inspector then I'm going to override it or I'll take it to a county attorney see what you say now what does he do got to pull a permit they call me so what am I supposed to do now I said well I'm a contractor I'll help you out I'll charge you a dollar so it's legal why do we have to do this why do we have to go with as busy as we are why do we have to go out and check air conditioning serial numbers to say oh you bought this property and somebody else changed the unit out unbeknownst to you and now it's double permit fee you didn't do anything well you're exactly right it's it's funding a budget I'm not stupid but I didn't want to say it but the the point the point of that is that's like me going down buying a car and they sending me the speeding ticket from the previous owner it's not it's not right we really need to do a fundamental restructuring of what we're doing here other Counties have done it with great success we need to focus on what we are I was a roofing contractor for 13 years commercial Ruby Look What We Do a builder I know just bills they do a framing and inspection oh we need to check to make sure that your roof sheathing is nailed off they send a man out of the truck let's make sure that's nailed off well that's a good idea let's get up and check it oh no I'm not allowed to get up there and actually see it so I'm going to take this board and buff it from underneath you're kidding me For the Love of Mike but you got to do that then you got to come back and have the dry-in inspected well it's not done yet then you've got to come back and look and look Edge metal for a four inch spacing has come in the truck drive out there get out and do that none of that's in the code just invented that because I guess we didn't have enough to do we just want to aggravate people and that's all it does is aggravate them why would you hold that process up

you got a licensed contractor Lynn take the photos now they're saying you're not uploading enough photos well how many is enough well some say 40 some say six make up your mind why not take the affidavit from the contractor if you feel he's done doing something wrong or something then have the state's attorney look into it and take his license but don't hold the rest of us up for what maybe one quarter of one tenth of one percent of people are doing wrong so that's a lot of venting there I got him it's frustrating to see my hometown and I'm powerless to do anything so the internet I'm here tonight and hopefully I'll do anything I can to help I'll volunteer anytime this is complicated it's difficult but we've got a lot of good people let the engineers do the engineering stamp the plans and stop arguing with them they stamp the plans is that a licensed engineer yes I'll validate that that's my job as the official okay none of that needs checking it's validated now what's item next and if we have these hiccups then let's get a three-member a help team we can pull together and we can get down and say okay look guys let's all work together let's get this guy's problem resolved when we do that people will start looking back up to us I remember the days I can tell you all the building officials you could walk into their office sit down talk to them and they would have a reasonable explanation okay let's do it this I understand that now you can't do that with a vast number of people you have I understand that but we could put a system in to help them and we could stop beating up people for trying to do what is right and then punishing them for it so that's all I have thank you very much Well Jack thank you for bringing that to us my pleasure um because I know for a fact when he first said he did that panel of three there's so many times out on the job that an inspector will say one thing and he'll turn it in as a real issue and it stops progress and the fact that it is nobody from there can make that final decision so it takes days instead of a few minutes and with a panel it'll take a short period of time but so I got I got one from uh I went back you know I don't I don't know what happened with this but we have someone who is running for office uh whose sister purchased the house a few months ago and this was sent to me in August um she purchased the house and after the purchase was completed she got a violation and a notice to appear in court the house had an inspection violation it wasn't there in the title search when she bought the house but she bought it and apparently there was a open inspection violation turns out there was a garden structure in the back that

wasn't permitted you know probably one of those little gazebo things and so um an inspector was passing by and um and told her um so she removed it when she found out she had this violation she removed it so then they came by and they said oh you removed it without a demolition for me another problem so so it was a it was not a cement structure it was one of those you know gazebo kid things um and now she has to go to court because um it says so she yeah so she had to go to court and I don't know what happened to court um but some that didn't for me there's like something wrong in that process maybe but um but uh County Administrator we had a discussion on maybe some solutions and I see some of our you know I I know we got we got some land use attorneys listening and others listening to this discussion today about some of our challenges and and we know our staff's working hard but are we working smart well said so I think we recognize there there are a number of challenges that that have been with us for for quite some time um you know and I'll I'll even hearken back to uh you know our inability at one point to even get residential building permits out you know we're we're now humming on that as far as you know getting residential permits out in like less than nine days for a single family house and that's been a boon for us in terms of our growth so we recognize as we move through things methodically that there are areas of improvement clearly Public Safety in compliance with the code is is of utmost importance uh you know Sally and I have had discussions on what's what we need in there that needs that should be in there and what what is I think is as he calls it extra right you know things that maybe maybe we don't need to you know what who are we protecting from what and I think that's the fundamental question that we have to ask ourselves I think we look at things from a public safety perspective and if if that is is the direction that the board wants us to look we certainly will will consider if it's if it's a matter of public safety and restrict adherence to the code that is one thing if we have ancillary things that perhaps over the years we've had bad experiences on that need to go we certainly we certainly can look at at truncating those you know from where they exist I I don't know we we have to peel that back but clearly there's some good points um you know in my own personal experience I'm I'm been hit or miss with a lot of these things or in some areas where I've you know seen these make sense and in other areas there's things that that don't make sense so not not in disagreement with you um on on some of those fronts um as far as disputes and resolution non-binding boards affidavits those are all tools

that we can put in the toolbox the ultimate the ultimate aim is is efficiency I can tell you that we we definitely want it to be easier to do business in Pasco County and we're committed we're committed to working on that us are getting inundated with what is going on um and yeah I mean and and you weren't the County Administrator but one of my one of my issues that I dealt with was a contractor here in the county and you guys don't know this because we have sunshine and um he has a company that builds Chick-fil-A's and McDonald's in 17 States he has a hundred Pasco County employees working for him and he has a 25 million dollar a year Chick-fil-A contract that he was within three hours of losing because he tries he might uh had an it there was one inspector he doesn't work for us anymore that when they were all done and ready to go this was the Chick-fil-A and Trinity he he came back he came back after he'd been there many times and found 17 things wrong that required four or five different kind of contact or Subs to come back and corporate was pulling the contract from this guy and he was desperate so um we we did get that resolved and that gentleman doesn't work for us for anymore I can tell you the sheriff just told me a Horror Story this morning maybe about an inspection that's going on that that they come out and they say one thing and then they leave and maybe you heard the same thing and they come back and they fight and and they're not it's not all being given it at one time it's one then one then one then one it's like that doesn't doesn't end and I thought we had kind of taken care of that that you couldn't do that but apparently that may be still continuing um but I know I know we're all working hard but we got we got some challenges yeah building a house not had those issues with my house and then everybody I'll tell that to tells me oh it's because you're a county commissioner and they you won't have that problem but I'm here to tell you that what happens to my house and what what goes on has worked out and planned and done the right way and inspected the right way and I expect not because I'm a commissioner I expect all our citizens in Pasco County to get that same service so and if I may I I appreciate you saying that and I don't believe it is because you're a County Administrator I'm sorry a county commissioner I I believe that well I mean we we conduct thousands thousands of permits every month thousands of permits and if statistically if I ran a factory and I had a reject rate of less than one percent we're going to have issues I think the question is how do we resolve those issues and we certainly are

committed to resolving issues and I know that our inspectors do a very good job in the field do we have issues of training do we have problems yes absolutely and we're committed to working on those but I appreciate that is we have those issues at times all over the county and all of our districts at times and it may only be a few but gosh they happen at uh worst time in the world so it seems like it's way more than maybe what it is but we need to not have any of those yeah and I did learn of uh I just recently learned of a bottleneck in the storm water department where we have one guy who has a critical role apparently um and there's only one person and so you know and and we have um you know we have these high priority projects going through so they put it in front of him and um and he works on it and then before he can go to the long list they put another Priority One in front of him and there's one guy so I I wish we had a system that if we knew that there were and I I don't you know I had hopes for acella and I don't think it does maybe doesn't doesn't do enough but you know at McDonald's if your order doesn't come out in a certain time it starts going and it alerts you you got an issue and if there's a bottleneck why aren't we I mean we we should we should know where the bottlenecks are and uh we should be addressing those in my opinion yes of course and and bear in mind of course once you clear one bottleneck you create another one right that's that's the the but you got to start clearing process it process Improvement and efficiencies that kind of morphs into some issues and I know you know I've spoken with Branford and that that particular issue is is getting worked on um and site plans and puds and those things and again I think Terry had kind of alluded to a few things on that front some changes that I think are be implemented this week that I think will will help on that on that front and I didn't know if you want to share those with I would ask Terry to maybe come up and talk a little bit about it yeah and Madam chair yeah oh yeah okay so um I'm going to use an example well Terry's going to speak to us is this about what he's speaking to us uh it's kind of what you went off of but I can go after him okay go ahead Terry good afternoon Victoria's petos planning and development so we are working on a number of initiatives in the Planning and Development Department to help us mitigate the workload that we've been experiencing uh the last few months um I guess I could start off by saying that um we're preparing a number of revisions to the Land Development code I alluded to

one this morning as it relates to making a strategic adjustment in what's causing mpuds to be submitted we are also looking at making some zoning changes that will enable certain development to happen without going to mpud for example this morning I talked about the trip generation issue that's not the only thing that's causing a lot of development to happen through through the mpud process it's also lot sizes and developers seeking small lot sizes in particular and the board met and discussed this issue extensively last winter and spring on how to deal with 40 foot wide lots for example and so the one amendment that we're working on still has to be vetted and taken through the whole process and whatnot of course but just as a preliminary discussion is how do you enable small lot res single-family residential development to take place under euclidean zoning standards if you can address the trip generation and the lot size issue you'll you'll narrow the universe of applications that right now are compelled into the mpud process and there's a few other things that we can be doing as well um with regard to zoning updates in terms of processing updates there is an operational memorandum a draft operational memorandum that has been circulated to a number of County departments and review agencies that are external to the county that participate in these reviews um and Beauty reviews where we are informing them that um if you're not on the short list if you're not on the needed commentary list you can continue to receive distributions from the Planning and Development Department but you have 45 days to give us your feedback if you exceed those 45 days and have not given us the feedback we will proceed with the review and continue on currently what's happening is there's an equal distribution to approximately 19 or 20 different entities and uh then Planning and Development staff distributes and then waits for comments to come in from all 20 different entities who are themselves burdened by whatever core activities that they're working on 45 days go by and we haven't typically received comments from everybody and so the wait continues and persists after that so by telling everybody that you have 45 days and you're on the optional list and we're not going to uh wait for you anymore we will have reduced the time frames significantly on the distribution so that that is currently being worked on um with the plan to issue such an operational memo uh probably the beginning of November um in addition to that we are working on the new conditions of approval template with area stakeholders for mpuds we have done the internal work to identify what

kind of conditions of approval need to be included on our templates uh now we're working with the land use attorneys um some of whom may be behind me still here at least um so we're working with area stakeholders to identify what's the best way that we can present the conditions of approval both to applicants and eventually to the Border County Commission to staff and then to the board of County Commissioners so that there is a smooth understanding of what's expected and also um you know identify which conditions are negotiable and which are not uh negotiable in addition to that there is there went out last week an operational memo and the Planning and Development Department streamlining the process for requesting Legal Services um from the county attorney's office um right now well the previous practice and this isn't we're now we're now into the new practice but the previous practice um had a lot of pressure put on staff to identify what the dates are for when projects would get to public hearings and staff would do their the best to anticipate when they could get a project to the LPA or to the Planning Commission ultimately to the BCC but often those would those deadlines or those uh dates that date setting would fall short of what the county attorney's office needed in terms of review time and so this would also cause tremendous backlog and strain within the process itself to get projects moving through the process and so we issued a operational number that streamlined that process to make it easier for staff to pulled together their package of their staff report and all the Amendments that are or attachments that are associated with that then the county attorney's office could do a good legal review over a complete package that could then be processed through Civic Clerk and whatnot and find their find its ways to the Planning Commission and and to the board of County Commissioners um these are some of the process changes that we've been working on that'll help streamline and move projects a little bit more easily through through the system in addition to that we're pivoting a number of positions within the Planning and Development Department to facilitate document processing activities because um it these uh mpuds comprehensive plan amendments um all the different types of projects that you see on your normal agendas it takes a lot of time to compile all of these documents into the PDFs and into the attachments that you see on those agendas and that those have to be done by the project planner or the project manager who's been working on this project for a number of weeks to months and so um we're pivoting uh project coordinator positions and and other

non-planner positions to facilitate some of that work so that the planners can actually focus on the substantive nature of the planning work in addition to that we've also entered into an Outsourcing contract with Patel green and associates to help us on the site development review side of things because we are also experiencing not only a unprecedented workload with mpuds but also an unprecedented workload in site plan application review site plan review applications and every landscape plans you name it they're all high volume at this time and so we're Outsourcing a number of projects to our Consultants to help us mitigate that process um we're identifying relief employment opportunities to bring in relief workers there's two current candidates that we're working on that will be put as assets toward the mpud overload and we're currently preparing the Planning and Development Department to what what I've been sort of talking about as a surge in work activity to deal with the unprecedented workload and accelerate all the review activities that were asked to do uh this acceleration is going to include additional full-time employees um which where we've we've worked with human resources to establish additional positions for uh mpud review for site plan review and for engineering review in addition to the relief workers and working now to assess what we can do to extend the hours of operation of the Planning and Development Department after hours and and on weekends um in that's in short there's a lot of detail to be worked out still um but you know we're actively um working toward mitigating that backlog so um on the Landscaping problems that we've been having in and I know you have Sally you've got a format right now but I I met with I think Brad was in there and maybe Matt and Katie and we were tossing around ideas and I think they have a meeting you have a meeting coming up November 1st but and I'm talking about the commercial places that have let their Landscaping die and go and um and actually I've seen a few that have started putting it in in the area and it looks great but we were we we have come up with a solution that will take it the responsibility I think out of the county staff and put the responsibility on the business who's let it fail really they have the onus I think to show um why they let it die and if and if they don't have the plants and they can follow our new plan so we have something coming and I I don't know if you know about it yet Sally but I know I think November 1st you have a meeting with staff and I I hope this can go through I talked to Dave Goldstein about it and I know we may have to do some changes to the the code um but um the idea is to be smarter about how

we enforce that and not put the responsibility on us but on them who let it die so um any did you have any comments yes I just wanted to going back to an example that you had brought up and I feel that there's a resolution for every conflict and speaking of backlog and different things like that for example if someone buys a pool from Walmart and puts it in their backyard they're supposed to get a permit for that you're talking about an above ground pool yes good afternoon commissioner Sally Sherman um assistant County Administrator development services if it's over a certain size yes ma'am they are required to get a permit because you also have to ensure that it's secured so no child can wander in and get into that pool so there are parameters for above ground pools and then do they come out and inspect what if a permit is pulled yes ma'am and it okay so I'm not sure how many people actually know that they would have to pull a permit for a three foot pool but in essence a three foot pool um yes I heard that someone was going to get cited for having a three foot pool in their backyard um but if people don't know about the code then they're not going to go and they're not going to pull a permit and how many how many people go to Walmart and think that they need to pull a permit for a pool and then in addition if they have to there's ways to streamline things if you have to pull a permit with a pool then maybe they have to have the permit attached to the box but when at the time of the sale and they fill out the paperwork at the time of the sale but there's just ways that seem to they can definitely streamline some of these processes and that's just an example on working towards streamlining other processes I have been making a series of notes based on on your feedback and thank you for that and please know that we have a dedicated staff that's committed to process improvements and wanting to improve the processes and I wish I would have met an opportunity to speak with Bob Corley I wish I would have had an opportunity to speak with him because I have been reaching out first of all you know I want to first of all again acknowledge our staff because I don't want them to feel that they're not doing a good job because we have team members that work extremely hard just just just for inspections alone they're over they they've been running anywhere between 1300 to 2 000 inspections a day we do have quick permits where you don't even have to do anything but go and apply for it online we have streamlined a number but those where you just go in and do it you can take a photo with your camera right yeah submit everything pay for it you're done that's residential yes and um so we are looking

at things of that nature um with regard to inspectors we have now we do training where we sit down they have someone come in and provide training to for our inspectors now there is in the Florida building code a plethora of inspections they list them out specifically what is required to be inspected and so I'd like to meet with him and see where we're going wrong I think Commissioners dark Ed mentioned some of the inspectors or team members you know we had that were seasoned they were used to doing things a certain way and and it's time goes on they understand that you know they've changed so we're committed to doing what we need to do to improve the process um and we recognize that there's a lot of challenges right now for commercial when I came on board I was told get residential building permits process improved where people are not waiting 30 days for a home permit we're like Mr cabal indicated we've got it down to nine days under the level of service in which the Tampa Bay Builders Association had asked us theirs is 10 we're down tonight with a change that the board voted in on the removal of the as built requirements once that is fully implemented you're also going to continue to see additional redu deductions in in time frames so I appreciate this we have it again um I I'd be happy to sit down and work with anybody who's interested in helping us improve the process like I say right now we're working on commercial commercial when I came on board and talked to our building official who came into the processes that we have we know that there's some inherent problems that and and now I anybody could go into my office right now and you'll see a stack of documents that's this thick 24 by 24 where we're literally going through what is it that we're doing because you can't improve if you don't understand what you have so then working with that to improve the process and then getting our commercial permits online so again you can get that concurrent review now for commercial you have to bring in three sets and we have to carry them around from person to person so we're trying to get beyond that and it is going to take a couple more months to get it done but we're committed but I'd love to sit down and meet with anyone who has any um input that they can provide or even provide additional training to help us right okay so Sally I appreciate you when you first came here I asked for a similar meeting with you we had a similar meeting with a bunch of people we talked about a whole bunch of different things we never did a follow-up meeting a lot of things haven't changed we brought in Roy Missouri we brought in Pat Campbell Roy left out of frustration he did get the asbelt thing done which was great but it's tough to change the culture that's in there but sometimes because we have so many rules in place like that Phil ordinance was from people bringing fill in it's still there and for that one little problem we had it's affecting

everything on our Coast when Terry's talking about he's got so much to do that is tough to get everything done and I appreciate that and talking to Brad you know about One MPD while you can't move that MPD because you've got to affect another one it shouldn't be that way I shouldn't have someone submitting an mpud and taking five months to get all the comments back it shouldn't take be a three-week process from one to the other wait a minute wait a minute I own mpud I had a meeting with the guy that put in an MPD who's waited five months he hasn't got one comment yet okay so so another had a small listen to this one I had an mpud or a actually a building to be built site plan in an industrial park right in the industrial park he makes his comments he gets like four pages back or so sits for months and months because he didn't do the zoning appropriate or something had to change with that he has submit again the second time he submits instead of getting four pages back of comments he gets seven three of them were all about the Landscaping code they made him go out and advertise to all the abutting landowners now I'm not talking about the landowners outside the property I'm talking about the people inside the park for this guy to go build exactly what these people have are out there as well what we're doing I think the way Robert said it is we have so many things where making these inspections happen that don't have to happen we need to go back not to do to Discount everything you just kind of went through tell you all your improvements I mean I've got people right now that are doing all outside inspections all outside engineer Etc so they don't have to deal with us so you've already got a whole bunch of people that already left us and they're getting work done on the outside because they didn't want to deal with us we need to go simplify is what we've got to go do and and by doing and I think maybe getting that three panel committee together is like the first great thing we can do um I know Sally before you came here Todd Bailey was in permitting as a temporary person he learned and one of the things we learned with him and matter of fact Sonia and Colleen and myself were doing view specs we found out our staff didn't have the right equipment to go do the inspections trying to fix that right away we got that done but I see the view specs from the things that we have have actually gone down since I'll say a gentleman named Dan Kimbrough left he was the number one guy but people would like to do it to make it easier for us and it's better for us to do instead of driving here and there to do everything by view specs but as as Mr koning said the roof inspections to go tap on that I'm not going to go on the roof you know people don't go up there I mean we got to trust the contractors we got to put that out there so they're going

to be liable which they will be by going forward instead of us having to go do every minutiae inspection which we don't have to do so I think we need to identify and I think Robert crony would be a great person maybe with a few other people let's go look at the things we need to inspect and get the ones we don't have to when we're doing a site inspection I mean a site plan approval and again I think hopefully the mpds we can get rid of a lot of these because that was something that was supposed to be a help it's been a big hindrance because I mean I'll go to the nest hockey thing for that even be an MPD is crazy to me shouldn't have to go that way but we've driven it and I get some impudes we improved one of them 800 units and I don't even have a map of where the homes are going to go in front of us with the agenda item we get it's crazy so simplifies where we've got to go I would like to see that and and Mike thank you very much I mean we talked about this uh about getting it done so you're having the meeting and it wasn't to do anything more than just like we did with you I wanted a full voice for people just to be able to talk without worrying about who's in the room what are they going to say Etc with all that stuff Mike you took great notes and you just went through a bunch of them with us as well that's the type of thing we need to go do so I think with with maybe Todd with Mark Bellis and mark thank you for you know being at the meeting but watch it as well let's go look at what we really need these people work 80 hours a week bringing an outside crew coming in let's go find out what we really need to go do Let It Go and if a contractor's not doing it right he can be civilly held anyway someone could go after his license is not doing it right but for that one quarter of one percent as Bob says we shouldn't have all these rules in place um Jack so I've just been asked to ask a question um do wait let me get it right has the Acela system helped or hurt the current planning process in y'all's opinion commissioner the Acela system has improved our process to us to a degree again please keep in mind my either was to get the permitting process corrected if you recall the acellus system has been up and running since 2016. when I came on board I learned that the process and the implementation of a seller wasn't done completely there was a lot of loss of resources with people leaving I'm still learning that there were tools that we were supposed to have in place I.E the tool that would help me pull the data that is needed that was never purchased right now we've worked with the company to get that ERD data to in place things like that it was never in place we were working in two environments a seller one and a seller two I think your team knew that because if you wanted to check on something it

was dependent on what you were looking for where you were supposed to look I came to the board and I think I was hired and like end of 19 I think by uh 20 January of 20 I think it was or around that time I came and asked the board for some additional funding to correct some things in a salad you gave me those funds we have now the entire seller system for building permits for residential and all those quick permits that is operating perfectly then we're working on commercial in the interim we also understood that the system was not fully implemented for PDD engineering or utilities Mr kapala in his prior position had came to me and said Sally we need to get the seller system up and running for engineering because right now when they go and do an inspection they have to literally send us an email and make a phone call because it was never put in place those are the things that we're working on the tool itself I was equally as frustrated when I came on board but it's not the system it was how it was implemented that is the problem and those Corrections are being made at this time the team that was responsible for the implementation I don't think there was to my understanding and maybe you know if I'm wrong someone can correct me they did not have um a clear understanding of who was in charge who should they be doing things for and who should they listen to We corrected all of that it's been fixed now we have a system in place where we can automatically get things taken care of so I'm saying with you know asking for your patience because we can fix this we can completely go on and finalize getting things in place that should have been in place when it was implemented on 26. so so I think um this board and I probably the new Commissioners that have come in because I'm sure they heard what they've you know I'm sure they've been spoken to as well is that you know the proof's going to be in the pudding of how fast were how efficient we are getting them out the door um so yes go ahead commissioner this is not a Sally I was to Terry Terry Wonder have you already put in the 45 days for comments back on mpud yeah those 45 days have always been the rule well like that comments should be coming in then how how do we go how was how we go four and five months you don't have no comments or waiting on comments that you're not going to get but they're outside agencies and departments that have told us or that we have understood must be commenting on them and so there's a waiting period that takes place um what we're doing now everybody on notice Terry just well just because of that I don't understand this yeah this this other agency whose rule is that that you have to have the other agencies go do it

instead of having just internal who's Rule and what age was uh so that was the current practice that was being whose rule is that is what I'm asking you I think that is an administrative rule that it's our rule then was in place we can change our rule Terry we're changing it now that's we need that's where we need to go and I'm trying to understand let's go change the rules that are slowing everything down I mean I've asked you guys for six months eight months that's a change so get rid of the fill ordinance haven't got anything back I've tried to get a simple thing in there to make sure that someone wants to build a seat while we stabilize it where it's three feet or go as high as five feet now Regional planning councils actually brought something forward so we can get that adopted but that's what we need to do we can make the changes if it's our rules we can't change Swift Mud rules which by the way I think we should take a close look at what we're inspecting right because of Swift muds doing storm water yeah why am I doing it yeah and I think we're actually about that you know we put that instrument okay right off the bat yeah I think I think we understand simplification yeah I get it that's where we're at okay but the question the question about a seller was on current planning not the building permits side so is current planning using acella we are and is that helpful for you I I believe that the Othello system is helpful uh to help organize the workflow and to move things through the process um but I think what Sally mentioned is important because the implementation of a seller initially when I when I got here Terry Terry can I stop real quick because listen I was about to jump in and said let's not beat up on the teams too hard but we don't don't go backwards anymore with acella we know it's garbage let's just be honest I mean I've heard it on numerous occasions from everybody out there contractor wise Andy tries to find stuff on there it's it's like it's not I'm just being honest it's it's I've heard too many complaints about it I don't want to jump on you I'm just telling you don't give us we don't want the history we don't I don't want to sit here for 20 minutes and let you talk about what happened with Acela and how we got to where we are today okay the question was is it helpful just say yes or no don't give an explanation just say yes or no because your explanation is way too long okay just say yes or no please just say yes or no is it good or bad for you okay there you go all right all right okay I just don't think we need to hear a 20-minute reason of why it's good and things like that just yes or no the thing's terrible all right well this is a good discussion I do have a few things on my list um but I think we needed to have this

discussion yeah and and I'm glad we had it before you left commissioner Moore so that you could you know listen and participate um I also think that Terry's been working very hard to make sure this stuff more they were all working hard moving fast like I said I just don't know we're working our team is on on target yeah this is this is nothing to do yes personalities people effort Etc what we see and Mr koning really just kind of laid out so good like I got to bring this forward I've been waiting two weeks to make sure we had time for everybody to be here to see it and go through it and it's not a lambasting this is something where let's go listen to an expert who's been doing it who's watched this County from way back when that's got a great historical knowledge how we used to do things and what's been added in so there's great potential in in our people I just want to give you guys put you in the right position to succeed because when you succeed we succeed and our citizen is going to be happier and I don't think it's anything personal I love you guys I think you're awesome I really do yeah I just want to help you get in a better position to serve our people if we can lessen the load on our staff by being just doing things a little smarter is better for them to better for all of us so thanks all that's that's kind of where we were um but do we have to vote on your item still was that continued or did we pass that one oh there you know the the funding for yeah sir County attorney can help um I think there was an item on the consent the addendum it was approved consent okay all right great yeah that's good I don't know if you have my photos uh from my cleanup but so I just didn't get to show these the other day so I want to um oh so this is um this is a house that's next door to one of the ferals and um um I want to thank Katie and Kelly Funk we went out there and uh cleaned up that yard and um sadly it looks like this again and um she is going to court you can't tell but that car are these the only two photos that we have so um yeah here we are cleaning it all up that car is filled with food like and it hasn't moved that car there is filled with food and roaches and uh is not operable I think so we're gonna work on that but is the person they're disabled or she is mentally kind of okay I gotcha I got you on with it yeah is she set up with Area Agency on Aging oh we've I think our staff one has gone out there a couple of times so I'm not sure we're going to keep working on this but she's got a court hearing next week um but the way we did it is that because we didn't have a place to Stage you can scroll to the cleanups we didn't have a place to stage and so I just want to show you guys this because I think this

worked really well and I would ask utilities to see if our staff liked this option is that they everyone placed their stuff out in front of their house and um and then the trucks came by and picked it up going down the street and they actually had to go down each Street a couple times because people people who weren't paying attention um they came home and everyone kept putting more stuff out and it I thought that way worked out really well and maybe we got more because how are they going to move that down to the collection site how do you move that busted um waiver you know a jet ski or whatever so I I would suggest to you that this I thought this way the way we did it was very efficient did it get that that Jaguar did it grip it good I know right in there this is Buena Vista and you know Holly Lake Estates kind of thing Madam chair yeah sometimes when they're set up the benefits too you can actually separate the metals out you can separate the paints out some tires out Etc uh but in in some of the cleanest I've done we've had the grappling trucks did phenomenal jobs when you had like a hoarder that had all sorts of trash you got it to the street they'd come by and pick it up so that type of thing I think a combination of both stores well that's kind of a good idea yeah so the neighborhood was just so appreciative and again we got something like 34 tons I think um I just wanted you to know on uh two things that fact is working on um we aren't the only one that are struggling with the anonymous code complaints that that's that it went away I have a constituent who called in on his neighbor his neighbor found out that he was the one who called him in and came over and beat him up and he got 18 stitches in his face yeah so um and because you know because we're reactive not proactive the neighborhoods are going downhill again so fact we're not every County wants to try and change this apparently this came about because we had a senator who had someone call on him and he didn't like it that he couldn't find out who did it and so he changed it so if we could all work with our legislators to say how important this is to bring it back to anonymous um that would be great um the other thing that we're working on fac and at Naco and now that we've taken over the jail and you particularly might be interested in this since this was your industry once someone has is um arrested and put in jail they lose their health benefits and what and I'm talking about Medicare Medicaid and if they have government benefits and you know who gets to pick up that tab thank you we do we do and um and they they can lose it for their family and and then when they get out of jail and that doesn't mean they've been they've been found guilty they've just

been charged and when they get out it takes quite a while apparently for them to get back on it so this is this is a federal this is a nationwide issue but we need to really be working on this and helping make a work on yeah that's a good point because um you're right now that the County's taken over and whether it was under the service budget either way yeah it's still taxpayer dollars but they you know you contract out you're who your provider is and like you mentioned when it comes to reimbursement if the reimbursement there's no other reimbursement and they don't take any type of insurance Medicare Medicaid private insurance whatever it may be it's on our backs yeah wouldn't it make sense to actually be able to yeah have a provider in there that can or would or they don't lose their benefits to accept whether it be like you said a private insurance insurer or a Medicare or Medicaid I mean the taxpayers already paying for Medicaid so it doesn't make any sense at all I don't care yeah yeah I agree a thousand percent so that looks like it sounds like something you can talk to your um DC lobbyist about yes yes oh and I saw him last night but yeah and um this is something that um is a nationwide issue and I think we've really got to push it Jack yeah yeah and Madam chair you know a lot of our homeless population has some big mental health issues or drug addiction issues right and they can't and they stop doing it during covet bringing those guys to jail when they were like causing trouble Etc just because I didn't have any room to put them in between covert and all I I hope to go to the next opioid meeting I was going to go to this one that was scheduled but rescheduled we've got a lot of money that's going to be coming in I think we can partner with the state and build a facility to take those that have been mental health issues drug addiction issues and I mean it opioid the money coming in covers the families as well not just theod addicts but those that get affected we can help them and I think there's a great opportunity out there whether we build it near the jail or away from the jail but an officer instead of having them take them right to the jail and again they lose the benefits we can then treat them get them treatment at a time get them to help them maybe you know hand up to get them going in a positive way as opposed to the way we're just doing it now where we're just fronting the load and paying all the bills it's big reactive to the facility and I I kind of mentioned that to uh to um to Kathy and others the same is the same idea so um and but frankly I think that they should be in some of the hot spots where um we have a lot of opioid issues with holiday Hudson Zephyrhills I I keep them local um and and don't take them to the jail take them to one of these triage kind of

centers and um and you know get them started there so I agree we have a lot of money coming and that's a suggestion and Madam chair yep um speaking of that and speaking I'm going to bring up the Marchman act as well along with the Baker Act because a lot of these times even if a law enforcement officer is marshman acting someone they'll drop them off at the hospital and instead of following through and then bringing them to the treatment facility to be Marchman acted the hospital is now releasing them so I think it's really important that we have follow-through because otherwise it's just a revolving door and then also pertaining to the jail I feel that once they get incarcerated anyone with a mental health or just under 18 over 65 pregnant disabled or with a kid and if they're getting arrested they most likely have 85 percent of people are being arrested due to drugs then the majority of them have mental health concerns they should be qualifying for disability and they should be getting Medicaid qualifying for Medicaid benefits while they are incarcerated and up to probably 30 to 60 or 90 days for upon being released so they can follow up because also if we can put people or if there are inmates that are incarcerated and they're on medications there's no follow-through once they are released I know they tried to work on a system but if they're on medication every day and they're stabilized in the jail system once they're released they no longer have access to their medication and then they're relapsing and then turning to other drugs and self-medicating so I think it's really important that once they're incarcerated they're getting the medications that they need they get a prescription for that medication upon release and then they can follow up with a doctor but if they don't have Medicaid then they can't follow up with the doctor and then they're again that's in a father okay [Music] um all right um one more thing um and this has to do with Surplus housing and affordable affordability or Surplus Lots we're working on a plan here so so that when we Surplus lots that before they we put them out on the market for sale we make sure they're given to non-profits or for-profits I don't care as long as they're building affordable housing and apparently we thought we were doing that but we weren't so um so they are working on this list and I I don't know if that's something you have to bring to us I know we talked about you being able to do some by administrative right so I think I think we've tightened that up a little bit I think it's kind of happened but maybe not as streamlined or as strictly as we would like it to be but yeah we understand that okay yeah and actually if before we

adjourn I see our media relations team is here I know they would really appreciate a photo op with the board with their Tellies if that's okay all right I had something on driveways but I'm going to bring it up next meeting so all right so one more photo and uh I guess we're done thank you I'll bring that up yes we are adjourned so oh okay I thought maybe those words yeah there's a bunch of there's a bunch of people Commission [Music] foreign [Music]

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