10.11.2022 Pasco Board of County Commissioners Meeting (Afternoon Session)

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all right good afternoon and welcome to the afternoon session on my script here the board of County Commissioners um October what's your date of 11th October 11th board meeting at this time please make sure that your cell phones and electronic devices are on mute and we are now going to proceed with the public hearings and we're going to start with ordinance p68 2022 and August 24 2022. thank you madam chair it I'm p68 was originally published for the October 11 uh border County Commissioners new neither was it has since been moved the adoption has since moved to October 21st no action is required on the site okay thank you um do I have to ask if anyone wants to speak no it basically it's been re-advertised for another day then we will move on to p69 item p69 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on September 25th 2022. good afternoon Commissioners Mike shumate director of Animal Services uh p-69 is an ordinance amendment to chapter 14 of the code that you recall on June 21st the board voted unanimously to ban the retail sales of rabbits in public venues but then the board also directed animal services to return with an ordinance Amendment for a full retail sale ban um on rabbits just like we did for dogs cats puppies and kittens um Jordan has been title an ordinance of the board of County commissioners of Pasco County amending chapter 14 of the Pasco County code relating to animals providing for amendment to definitions to remove adoption-based business model providing restrictions on the sale of rabbits and Retail establishments providing for enforcement penalties and remedies for violation providing for applicability providing for repealer providing preservability providing for inclusion into the code of ordinances providing for transmission of the ordinance to the state department and providing for an effective date so section 1427 is the definition section of chapter 14. there we remove the adoption-based business model that we previously had when we had pet stores who were Exempted um sort of Grandfather Dan and allowed to sell dogs cats puppies and kittens we no longer need that since we're removing all exemptions with the exception of a couple for rescue organizations and shelters and then we also amended the certificate of source which was primarily targeted to those retail establishments but now as they're allowed to corroborate with rescue organizations and have opportunity for those folks to place their animals in those stores for adoption the certificate of source responsibility is on those rescue organizations uh the main section 14 108 there we have the the largest change in the ordinance uh which is basically removing

most of the except exemption part and putting in the ban on retail sales um and one last thing I'll point out um is that one of the exemptions uh the first one was animal rescue organizations and government agencies as I mentioned but also the second exemption is nothing in this section show for pet stores from corroborating or collaborating I'm sorry with animal shelters animal rescue organizations or animal control authorities to offer space for such entities to Showcase adoptable dogs cats and rabbits inside pet stores however all dogs cats and rabbits showcased for adoption shall not be younger than eight weeks old and the pet store must not have any ownership interest in any dog cat rabbit displayed for adoption the recommendation from Animal Services is to accept public comment adopt a proposed ordinance amendment by roll call vote authorize the Chairman's signature on the same and direct board records to transmit the ordinance Amendment and the coding form by electronic mail to the state department within 10 days after enactment Madam chair yeah thank you madam chair um and I raise your hands if you're here for this item because I know there's quite a few that we've worked with in the past only two today okay that's cool what I was gonna say was and never asked you to take away anybody's opportunity to speak in public but if we had a full house I know we've worked very closely with you guys to do this I was gonna be like okay maybe somebody one or two speak if you're okay with it and everybody else raise their hand in support if you're supportive of this but there's only two of you today so um I know again everybody here you know and I can't remember I can't remember it was commissioner Mariano at the meeting and said go ahead and bring this back and bring It Forward under commissioner Starkey um and I I know we all said at that time we were the in agreement of bringing this forward yeah so I just don't see there needs to be a whole lot of discussion today because we had it we won't take it away but exactly this is going to sail through but I do have a question for you but not on this okay um but before we make the vote let me ask you this are you okay are you done I'm done yeah just yeah we gotta take public comment but I just wanted to make sure there wasn't you know if there was 50 people could you maybe well let me let me ask is there any knowing that this is going to probably be a 5-0 can I say that uh is there any public comment we had one lady signed up Anne-Marie cancio all right yeah I think you're fine um but um I think I forwarded you an email where I have a constituent that works at a um a boat sales facility on 19 and the cats are cause I never heard of cats hurting boats but yeah thousands and thousands of damage the Wildcats on 19.

the wires and I've seen those cats running around so I do want to go visit them with you yes and um because that's not okay yeah we've got an officer going out to it to kind of assess the situation see what's going on so yeah so um I think I would entertain a motion ask for public company I did have I found a name um Renee Rivard and there's no one online for this item I think nobody wanted to speak I'll move for approval second all in favor all right let's roll call oh district one commissioner Oakley aye District Two commissioner Moore aye District Four commissioner Fitzpatrick aye District Five commissioner Mariano uh District three chairman Starkey aye they could all be that easy thank you very much Commissioners thank you okay um p 70. one moment for publication item p70 was published in the Tampa Times on June 1st 2022. thank you thank you madam chair uh item p70 is an ordinance amending the Pasco County comprehensive plan providing for a large-scale comprehensive plan Amendment to the Future land use map map 2-15 and sheep 14 15 22 and 23 from vmu-3 Village mixed use type 3 2 vmu-2v Village mixed use type 2B on approximately 1773 Acres of real property located east of curly Road north of the Zephyr Hills bypass amending policy flu 6.5.14 applicability and effect on existing development approvals Pasadena Hills figure pH 5 ph-6 and ph-7 table ph-2 ph-3 and ph-4 and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for repealer severability and an effective date this comes with a recommendation of approval and we would requesting board members do you want an uh a presentation uh staff detailing me and I'm I'm fine with this I'm good I as well so um so this is uh public hearing is there anyone here to speak to p70 I have no one signed up and no one on WebEx for this item district one commissioner Oakley aye District Two commissioner Moore aye District 4 commissioner Fitzpatrick aye District Five commissioner Mariano aye District 3 chairman Starkey Hi Well actually wasn't okay p uh so now we're moving on to public hearings well the County Attorney please review the proceedings for results be happy to Madam chairman there are two rezoning agendas regular and consent staff will present each application to the board of County Commissioners if staff or Planning Commission recommend has recommended approval and there is no opposition the application will be considered by the board without further presentation if staff or Planning

Commission is recommended denial or if there is opposition to the application the applicant will be given five minutes for presentation the opposition will be given three minutes for each individual or five minutes for a group representative the end of the applicant will be given three minutes we'll rebuttal any individual disagreeing with staff or Planning Commission recommendation or anyone wishing to object to any condition of the rezoning May at this time request the position to be pulled from the consent agenda in which case that application will be heard under the regular agenda later on during the meeting otherwise I'll rezoning applications on the consent agenda will be approved by a single motion and vote if you wish to speak to any petition please give your name and address and whether or not you've been work for the record these are quasi-judicial public hearings all lost the law in Florida is mere public support or opposition of an application is insufficient for this board to take action please limit your comments to those criteria found within the board's Land Development code Madam clerk would you like to square the public in stand and raise your right hands do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth so help you God thank you good oh thank you item p71 was published in Tampa Times on July 6 2022 and August 24 2022. the chair similar to item p68 item p71 was previously advertised for the October 11 BCC meeting it was the adoption of that of this item 371 was moved to October 25 there's no action required this is just a notice of the BCC in the public okay any questions for members wow we are wow he's 72. item p72 was published in the Tampa Times on August 17 2022. I didn't p72 is a land excavation operating permit and conditional use Amendment request in the name of Massey partners LTD it's a continuance request to a date uncertain second all in favor aye p7b 3. item p73 was published in Tampa Times on August 17 2022. item p73 is a conditional use request in the name of Home Elite LLC and Priya Properties LLC slash Urban 54 Estates for multi-family dwellings it is requesting a continuance to December 6 at 1 30 PM in Newport Richie I believe yes well I did speak with the I did speak with him and it was we were talking about um can he continue to November 15th there was no one in opposition well uh Commissioners in opposition so I I'm not okay with what he's trying to do there oh okay yeah

so um he said December 6th but I don't think she'll be ready December 6th but they can try to give us a second I think you have a second over here yeah sorry okay all in favor all right p74 [Music] item p74 was published in the Tempe times on April 20th 2022 and September 7th 2022. item t74 is a zoning Amendment the name of hail Collier MPV master plan unit development uh this is a continuance request to November 15 2022 at 1 30 PM in Dade City yeah it's just a quick comment on this one I had a meeting scheduled with the applicant but they rescheduled because I guess they decided there was going to be a continuance so we're waiting on our meeting with with the team and staff as well but I did watch the Planning Commission meeting this bad boy needs a lot of work I gotta I'm gonna go out and drive that way I have to have a chance yeah this one needs uh a lot of work what I saw in the complaining Commission meeting okay uh do we take a motion move to continue to date uncertain no it's 11 22. oh boy good luck with that date and time certainly it's it's November 15th okay on here that's incorrect what's printed here is that what you had continued where's the date oh down there okay that's correct all right all in favor all right I made the motion I did okay p75 item p75 was published in Tampa Times on August 17 2022. item p75 is a conditional use request in the name of holiday Square LTD Johnson US-19 and Flora conditional use for multiple family dwellings in a C2 General commercial District located in Southwest Pasco County on the east side of U.S Highway 19 approximately 120 feet south of Flora Avenue containing approximately 13.658 acres and this comes with a recommendation of approval with conditions right um I think we're going to get a presentation on this one this is a consent oh consent oh okay we'll leave it on consent um is there anyone here to speak in opposition to this item I have no one signed up for this item and no one on WebEx for this item I and just so my fellow board members know this is Fallujah Mogadishu um we have worked on this property for so long so I am so excited to um see this project come forward and um I think it will help all the retail and Commercial establishments in that area it'll

Fitzpatrick and commissioner Mariano which have been submitted to the clerk's office this item does have an updated agenda correcting a scriveness error for finding a fact number 13 changing the date from September 1st 2021 to September 1st 2022. item pdd23-cu06 in the name of RR sharp Properties LLC slash 813 Towing it is a conditional use request for a conditional use for towing services and storage of vehicles in a C2 General commercial District the subject site is located on the east side of Lando Lakes Boulevard approximately 700 feet south of Cove Lake place this is a look at the oh that's not it I think that was more good issue yes I know it well I think we have the wrong PowerPoint I didn't do it I know you've seen me hitting the plug here but I did not plug into the to the screen this time okay here we go we're on the correct one just just to recap located on the east side of land o' Lakes Boulevard approximately 700 feet South Cove Lake place this is the aerial view of the property yeah that's great I think I want to take a look at that just for a second please that is um Swan's Landing I think behind it yeah thank you for that I appreciate it no problem so the surrounding future land use to the Northeast and South is all RoR into the West as RoR and IL the surrounding zoning to the North and South is C2 to the east is R2 and to the West is R2 and C2 the subject site is currently vacant vacant on approximately 0.62 of an acre the applicant is requesting conditional use for towing services and storage of vehicles and C2 General commercial District the subject site has a future land use classification of RR under the comprehensive plan the surrounding areas characterized by commercial and residential development and access to the properties from Orlando Lakes Boulevard and fdot maintain our trailer roadway with approximately 100 feet 120 feet of right-of-way width um this is a conceptual view of the proposed conditional use project I will make a note here that to the east as a type B buffer in your conditions it will actually be a type c buffer but a little bit shorter than our normal type c buffer it will actually be 15 instead of 20. the reason for that was to have increased shrubs and trees along there that wouldn't normally be provided in a type B buffer this is coming with a recommendation for approval with conditions from claim commission and Planning Development Department and here if you have any questions I'm sure yep thank you man um yeah before we go to public comments I think we have some people sign up correct okay just a few questions for the team um they're looking for a conditional use um to put this facility there so tell us

I mean again talk about some of the things that are currently allowed on C2 for example give me an example So within C2 and I don't have the whole list of permitted uses but there's there's retail there's Office Professional office medical Quick Service restaurants um Self Storage is there that's also allowed well that wouldn't go there because we got rid of the be able to do that on 41. yep close so that wouldn't come out a lot because there's a number of items there so just just a question if you don't mind um I did watch the Planning Commission meeting um not all of that because it was very long okay I watched the whole thing yeah it could take maybe five tries yeah a lot going on um but I do want to hear public comment but um anyway exports say I did I talked to two citizens um I think it was Thursday or Friday handy if I'm not correct you just nod your head yeah Thursday Thursday Friday right left um you know with us and I'm just trying to get the mindset of the team here um one of the things we did a few years back long 41 in 19 and 301 was implementing this blight coordinates because one of the things we were trying to do on that district and those areas was to you know clean up the area let's say and why no commissioner star came Mariano and Fitzpatrick too I mean had a lot of concerns about um correct me if I'm wrong because I'm going to put words in your mouth but against with some of the um Fly by Night Auto Buy Here Pay Here places along some of the corridors that were you know my own same page okay up front on those on those roads like 19 and then 41 is one of those places we have some issues as well um and again correct me if I'm wrong um storage of vehicles so this applicant I'm going to make an assumption is not the type of towing company that is out cleaning up has a has a uh contract with our sheriff's office or the local police departments and some of the cities versus um we're going to go out to a bar restaurant you left your car overnight or you're parking in a new parking Zone they're going to take your vehicle drive there drop it off and you got to go get out of Hawk essentially I believe that is quite correct but I would I would defer to the applicant to better explain okay I appreciate it so I guess I'm just trying to you know give me an idea of your mindset because

this is a conditional use right it's already done C2 so there's a lot of uses that could go there now that could benefit Pasco County it could benefit the citizens along 41 job more job creating sites versus a situation we're going to have to worry about Vehicles being stored we're a budding go back to that screen if you would like three three with the the conceptual or the aerial the aerial please yes thank you so much so I'm looking at this property and I literally see one two homes directly behind this property now I'm gonna tell a little story it's not a fun story but and I told it to Terry and David Goldstein we were at lunch break earlier and Andy as well my legislative back in the late 90s I had my car stolen one time Lily had my car stolen at four o'clock in the afternoon if we're not in front of where I lived and was in Hillsborough County I had planned on going on a weekend fishing trip down in Naples and um well guess what that didn't happen because I didn't have a car to drive there four o'clock in the afternoon I decided let me load my car up you know put put everything I basically you know on my fishing gear and I even selling me had a book bag in there with my checkbook in Walled already that's gone too I said let me go take a shower 20 minutes later come back down it's gone car is going find it I get to call it two in the morning and uh I won't name the the place but I got a call from the sheriff's I said oh okay let me find so my wife work nights who's a registered nurse she was working nights I said let me find a friend to take me down there to get my card well no we took we had a toad I Go why'd you have a toad I'll just come get it well they did some damage to it I had to go get out of hawk I literally had to pay to get my own vehicle that gotten stolen at a hawk and I said why didn't you just start well they pulled the steering column off so we can I watch a lot of TV you can just take a screwdriver instead of your car right prior life well guess what I did I took I borrowed a screwdriver and I said make sure you bring that back okay just charge me because like knowledge but I'll bring it back started my car and got out of there wasn't happy with with the law enforcement at that point in my life on that day because they towed it but I will say I want to tell you this there was a lot of cars and there was a lot of action going on it probably by then it was about four in the morning lots of Lights lots of people lots of people getting their cars out now mine got stolen those folks you know were getting towed for whatever reason it wasn't slow it was busy

so I have a huge concern about a situation that at two three four five o'clock in the morning we're gonna have all this action of people and I I probably raised my voice that night too a couple times where they told me how much I had to pay so it might even be a little yelling and screaming out in the parking lot at that time at night so I guess I'm just kind of bedazzled a little bit of I guess why we're because there's so many opportunities yeah we this you know and I appreciate them applying but there's a lot of opportunities around their industrial areas probably areas that don't have actual homes five feet behind the lot where there's going to be lights and things like that so I don't help me out here what are we how do we get to this point where the house that's recommending approval of something like this yes so the way staff came to their conclusion is um there there's commercial to the north and to the South to the South is a is a marine plate Marine shop right that has boats that have been stored there they're also a fronting along Lander Lakes Boulevard which would be ideal for commercials so why there is residential behind them um because this is a conditional use we can provide conditions to mitigate any sort of impacts that are being produced by this conditional use in this type of use here however I will say in these conditions there's nothing in here that is limiting the time hours of operation and that was because the applicant stated that once you limit those hours of operation um the site no longer works for them so that's a great I apologize thank you thank you you just kind of made my point a little bit there you know this is going to be going all night long possibly right depending on how good business they do and you got homes right behind it so that one to the I think it's the South where you said that boat area is yes I'm sorry I think I'm familiar with that they have a bait shop there too yes yeah all right I got my boat fixed there Years Ago by the way nice guy I have a feeling that he's been there a long time before there was any probably zonings done along that area in 41. it could be wrong but I have a feeling he's been there a long long time I don't I try to pick my boat up when I got it fixed like at six or seven he said no I'm already close so I don't think he's staying up to open too late himself but um I don't I'll wait for public comment I I obviously have some concerns for this site I would like to share my concern because you're sitting here talking about limiting hours of operation for a tow truck company now if a tow truck company tows somebody's vehicle they need to be open all hours of the night 24 hours a day seven days a week and in addition when someone goes to pick up their vehicle and you have a tow fee and an admin fee and an hourly fee and a fuel charge and a daily storage charge and then whatever other charges people

are going to go there irate they're not going to be happy they're going to be causing a scene and then people behind residence are going to be sitting there having to listen to this drama happen all throughout the night they're gonna have to make sure there's proper lighting so vehicles are not being damaged so this shows a lot of concern well um is the applicant going to make a presentation I believe the applicant is here and I believe they do have a presentation okay let's do that and we'll take public comment and then I'll be back to the board all right would the applicant like to speak good afternoon Chris with 813 towing service um can you I'm sorry can you also state if you've been sworn for the record I have been sworn okay thank you uh I prepared a presentation for today so if you'd like to take a look at it okay let's do it is that gonna run or are you gonna oh okay my company a13 towing service it's one of my trucks the first page of my website as a matter of fact it's supposed to have silencer am I supposed to press something else give them a second in 2020 Pasco County's population increased if you go back and before it should restart but can you turn that down a little that's that's here he's going the wrong way towing services are essential for high growth and developing counties Pasco County is one of the fastest growing counties in Peoria according to the website www.passbook2050.com Pasco County has experienced significant increases in population and employment over the last 50 years and is projected to continue to grow between 1970 and 2020 Pasco County's population increased by 639 by comparison with the time frame the state of Florida's population increased by 217 percent in an article the maker uses on September 28 2021 and Pasco County Commissioner Catherine Starkey tackled another of each copies as a featured guest speaker of the SE possible Network ing privacy and sufferings she first addressed one of the more visible Hobbies the County's surgeon population growth and its residential and Commercial development as the commissioner stated obviously you know the county is on the 10th during his number one engine for growth is getting people to move here and you see that happening in our County we're throwing that crazy said the commissioner whose sister exceed includes Southwest and South Central High School every month we're breaking the records on the amount of companies were getting compared to last year the commissioner said she regular BBC's calls from that YouTubers who wants to know if the county plans to approve their land to build Apartments the

Commissioners said that possible was actually facing an apartment shortage despite the many passing luxury apartments that have gone up in recent years yeah the commissioner emphasized that County leadership and decision makers are becoming very very picky on where new apartments will be faced in the area we do not want to give up commercial and industrial property for apartments it says for this one or the Tony yeah more illegal residency equals more need for private property towing services who are traveling equals more cars breaking down plus charging our roadways this feeds the need for a responsive and capable of service not working for housing communities but also for County Road periods as to keep the military kid and that is the presentation and I wanted to add that on a personal note I am a proud resident of Pasco County and I have been for seven years I own property in Pasco County and have been privileged to live in such a close-knit and reputation-based Community I completely understand a Homer's homeowner's worry of loss of property value I assure you that I will do my best to keep all facilities up to code and furthermore I will ensure an organized spacious parking lot that is adequately buffered from adjoining businesses and fellow neighboring communities I Christopher ground from 813 time wish to be a good neighbor can I ask the gentleman thanks for your presentation a great pleasure you're very very respectful of us if it was very very good very well done do you own that property now or do you have it under contract no no it's a contingent upon oh it's okay I didn't know if you might have had something there in the past or something like no I've been waiting for for the meeting of you know get the approval to be able to purchase it to go forward okay yeah so it's been bacon it's making okay all right thank you sir I am we're going to take public comment and then um okay just I just want to say unless you have questions go back to the last slide please so that white car would be towed and not just given a ticket that that car was asked to be towed by security we are I wanted to say this is very seldom that apartment communities in Pasco County ask us to roam Patrol for violations it's usually on a on-call basis so whenever they need something removed as if that trailer with the taking up three or four spots with the F450 that would be an on-call same as the one uh that was the guard of security that was actually in downtown Tampa and that one also was on call but it's security guard and do you have any agreements with AAA because I know for AAA we need tow truck

companies because people are waiting six seven hours to get their battery jumped or they're coming to unlock their cars so there could be a very good benefit for tow truck companies with they were accommodating the needs of Pasco County residents but we all should be very frustrating if someone had to go to work and their car was towed for parking on nevertheless just like a D.O.T has to control the roadways and the traffic on 41 or any major intersection so the new apartment complexes they need to control the traffic of who's in there that belongs and who doesn't and usually that's done through a permit system when I listen to the Planning Commission I did hear that you work for CDD districts and others and listen I I think that's a legitimate need that we have sure and um my my only question is is this the right place for this I I think we need you and I and I get the challenges of the 41 Corridor because the way we've designed that road you've got commercial on 41 that's boom residential yeah and there's no network there to have some roads or not very many off of 41 where in my opinion your business is better suited so I get the challenges and um and looking at that area on the map there's a lot of lakes behind there and so having a road system or a grid that I talk about up here all the time with connected streets it's a challenge for the 41 Corridor and um but I'm just not convinced that that's the best site for you but we're gonna we're gonna take public comment and then we'll I think that's all of you understand that 0.62 acre is not a huge site and believing with the buffer for uh the the range of amount of space I have to give for a vehicle to come in for stacking rights it makes it even smaller yeah the need the need in Pasco County for legitimate room Towing and pass in a private property is not that high yet I still have to have an area to cover all these communities that do need the service yeah so all right um we're going to take public comment now thank you very much thank you I have Norman Lancaster signed up followed by Larry Shrewsbury so Mr Lancaster I'm not sure do I need to say I've been sworn you have to state your name and address and whether or not you've been sworn okay Norman Lancaster 3650 swans Landing Drive in land o' Lakes that's the community that is right behind the proposed site here and I have been sworn great thank you thank you I have absolutely no objection to towing companies in Pasco or anywhere along 41 in general the question is does it belong there and I'm glad to hear that some of you have the same question the only reason for objection that I'd like to discuss today is noise the Pasco County noise ordinance limits nighttime noise to 55 DB except for occasional things

that happen then you get another 10 DB so that takes you up to 65 DB at night 65 DB is the sound of a loud conversation and it's sound aloud from a motorcycle at night so I ask you you know Towing towing trucks are not quite uh Vehicles they have rattling chains they have revving engines they have sound of hydraulics I was going to say backup alarms but I understand that the company plans to turn them off if they remember um but the point is would you like to have loud conversations and motorcycle noise at any time of the night behind your bedroom window and the process of complaining about a noise violation seems to require that you have to actually prove that it exceeds the decibel level allowed I don't know many people who have decibel meters but even if they did by the time you're awake figuring out what's going on you get your meter and get back up there the sound that woke you up is long gone so I encourage you all the Planning Commission had two people on it who had the compassion to vote against this request and I hope you'll have that same compassion thank you thank you very much Larry Shrewsbury followed by Thomas Larkin followed by Carol and byersack we'll need your name in record yes ma'am address Larry Shrewsbury 21525 Trumpeter Drive Land O Lakes Florida and yes I have been sworn in um and the aerial pictures you saw the one that had the swimming pool that's my house um I know that you have heard from others in the past and there are others going to speak so I'm not going to take a lot of your time what I'd like to do specifically to come to commissioner Moore mostly receive a file all in favor all right [Music] asking that while I too am a business owner and don't uh discourage business I do think that it's an improper fit and that petition was a unanimous or 55 homes there the people that didn't sign it was because they were not home over the weekend so I'd like to this is your constituency these are your voters uh and this is what our community feels thank you thank you my name is Thomas Larkins address is 3703 swans Landing Drive Atlanta Lakes I serve on the homeowners association board for Swan Lake um there's only a couple people I haven't spoken to personally about this matter overwhelmingly they wanted me to come today to present their opposition some of the previous words you've heard already especially from commissioner Moore kind of fit this in a nutshell compatibility for this type of business doesn't go real well in the location

you'll hear from the landowner from one of the sites next to it she'll reaffirm this but from our neighborhood standpoint The increased noise the lighting that will go up on the lot to secure the vehicles the in and out late at night plus just the appearance outside doesn't make it compatible with what your commission than trying to clean up already so we just wanted to make sure that you understand from our our point of view we'd hope that you would not approve this thank you thank you and next Carol um byersack followed by Lonnie Piper followed by Mike Ford I've been sworn in girl Biersack I'm at 3546 swans Landing Drive I drew a little chart my subject is traffic um you're going to need to stand in front of the mic though um the microphones the microphone your mic now oh okay I'll Stand um we've got one and only one entrance into the neighborhood we're south of the lot that they're talking about the lot is actually three more Lots above what I've got here so the development is divided by from the road by this strip of lots one of them is a lot under contention when we want this is Northbound when we do not have traffic lights in this area we've only got these turnarounds so when we come out of our entrance we have 50 feet to get to this first turn around next to us is a child care they have a circle driveway they actually have a bus drop other people other children off after school and all these parents come drop their children off pick their children up they have also accessed almost directly across from them to the same turnaround there's two other businesses here they all go to the same turnaround we have to cross three lanes of traffic this is the traffic that's going to increase with tow traffic likewise coming south anybody wanting to get to any of these places over here has to go to the next exit South do another U-turn through three lanes of traffic to get up to go into these areas now once you get across to do this turnaround you sit here and there's a turnaround opposite you this is the turn around the towing company would use when there's a tow truck or anybody sitting here if you're sitting here waiting to make your U-turn to go south across three lanes of traffic you cannot see past anything sitting here the road kind of does a turn so you have to wait till anything there leaves now this person to leave has to go across this three rows of traffic and this traffic is what's going to increase with tow traffic there's 50 homes here multiple cars over 50 homes multiple cars per home we've also got Lawn Service deliveries all

those kind of things they're all having to do this going through to the three lanes of traffic which would increase with Vehicles Towing vehicles it seems hazardous dangerous um I've got my words here inconsiderate and you're responsible to add that Towing traffic to what's already going on in this one little section does that make sense just ice thank you very much thank you thank you all right we have um Lonnie Piper followed by Mike Ford followed by Lawrence kwamina oh right thank you all right if you could go ahead and state your name and address for the record and whether or not you've been sworn Elona Roberta silver Piper Buckle I now reside at 3789 East Eagle Trail Hernando Florida you may proceed okay um I am the owner oh I'm sorry were you sworn in excuse me were you sworn in yes thank you thank you I am the owner of the property that's next door to what you're looking to build I own the I owned the trophy business that was there um that building was built 24 years ago by my parents before that they had another business they had the same business it was a little pink house I don't know if any of you know it um out on 41. they've basically my parents were basically residents of Pasco County for at least 50 years um I like I said I have recently moved I moved to Citrus County I have just been told that um this is a business that wants to go in next to my business next to my building um and they want to use part of my driveway as they're in and out I will not permit that they won't hook up I heard that they want to hook up to my lift station I will not permit that um I was under the impression that 41 was yeah 41 was supposed to be aesthetically pleasing um I don't think a towing company um I've seen pictures of their Towing facility and it's not aesthetically pleasing um if you want to grow 41 you can't put something like this there that's basically it like you know basically what I have to say thank you Mike Ford followed by Lawrence quamina uh Mike Ford 3711 swans Landing Drive I have been sworn in um I was at the planning meeting and a couple of you Commissioners said you saw it so you saw my comments and little did we know there was a reporter in the audience but that made the Laker so I just wanna for the record um say exactly what I said 1999 came up here to teach six months later I buy a house in the original Lake pageant 1200 homes over there which we all know

that that's going to be in front of you very very soon some of the issues going on across the lake that also impacts our side but the commitment of your predecessors on the County Commission was to make sure from 54 working its way all the way to 52. things got widened there were many things that happened but more so there are many things that did not happen back then okay there are major drainage issues up and down that road there are major issues with u-turns with and high volume amount of carbs okay I mean in my opinion as much as I like Connerton there shouldn't be one more house approved until we straighten things out I know that you guys have extensions on 52 you have the Ridgeview extension it'll take some of the pressure off but this has been going on for a very very long time okay and remember you have issues where you just heard that Mrs Piper I think um you know just stated a lot of those businesses a lot of those places weren't forced to go on to the city sewer no natural gas lines were run we have restaurants that are trying to stay alive okay and that's a problem it's a problem for our neighborhood not having natural gas you know we're on propane we're on this crazy system there was a point where our neighborhood came in front of you and there were certain Provisions that had to be done in order for our 55 homes to be built and it was controversial back in 93 94 and 95. it was you go back and read all the minutes you'll see it so my global point here is look you're left with the responsibility of what your predecessors are and 41 got left in the dust we've seen the growth out in the west we've seen the gross grow without in the East and here's little Elena Lake's caught in the middle okay so just keep that in mind as you represent us you all ran for election you're there to represent your areas and your constituents but I said the same thing the planning and you know I'll say the same thing to you you know so I'm just trying to say very general there's no sense repeating what everybody else has said Mr Ford are you on um County septic and Sewer are you on our whole neighborhood has the fortune or Misfortune of Being a high-end neighborhood but we have a propane loop system 52-53 homes I think 23 of us don't partake in the propane what about your what about your sewer our sewer our sewer was approved by the planning department so you're not on septic we are on sewer which again it's a little bit of a sore subject when O'Reilly's got put in because our lift station is tapped for that as well as sugar and spice so that was right when I was moving in the neighborhood so but that was that was where it went so those went from well and septic to city sewer so

that's a subject for that I'm going to bring up later today I was just curious I'm sure you will thank you very much okay um yes Lawrence kwamina and do we have anyone online we do not have anyone online for the 77 okay my name is Lawrence cuomina I've lived in uh and I'm I've been sworn in and address uh address is 21518 Trumpeter drive thank you and actually I live right across the street from Mr Shrewsbury in terms of on the inner side of our pond so I faced the wall and face his house whereas on the opposite side of that wall would be this new business that wants to go into that area that I'm hoping that you do not approve and I've lived in this neighborhood since 1997 when 41 was just two lanes and I've seen the growth I've seen the changes and people used to laugh saying well you live way out there in Pasco County and use probably some of you are familiar with that it used to be someone of a joke why do you want to live way out there well I saw what was going to happen how it's going to be beautified how things are going to be so nice sometimes we even drive and go to Dunedin some of these places where you see trees and all these things and I'm like wow they're going to do that alone land the Lakes one day around I have trees it's going to be beautiful it's gonna be nice and they said that's what they were going to do over the years and uh we've been looking at things lately and there's been some improvements we've been looking at how things have been moving along and getting better but when I hear about my neighbors being subjected who are live right across from me to the fact that they're going to have noise from a tow truck company and it's bad enough with the road the amount of traffic it now goes by the factor is that we know it's going to be increased amount of noise we've got a sleepy little neighborhood that my my child was two years old is now 27 grew up in whereas the kids could run through the neighborhood and have a great time it was just a beautiful neighborhood to change that to make it whereas it's now you've got a house or a neighbor who is being subjected to noise and sounds and lights and all of that it's not conducive to our neighborhood and in the whole community in general because as you're all trying to do you're trying to improve and the lakes and trying to improve Pasco County I don't see how having that particular type of company in that location would be beneficial and that's basically all I wanted to say thank you thank you and that's the last person who signed up but is there anyone else here that wants to speak to this item and we have no one else online all right so um did you have a question for the applicant no I just I didn't know if the applicant wanted to come back up you're welcome to rebut if you like since you're representing yourself yeah foreign so I'm listening to a few of the

comments from everybody in the neighborhood noise I'm abled if it is allowed to set in an additional buffer of trees to go up to combat any noise that they they think it might be happening in uh in any night operation which is not much I'll get to that as well if I need to build a soundproof wall of some sort if that's allowed I would do that as well there's a radiant eight foot uh cement cinder block wall there so if I need to build an additional noise buffer just for the just to satisfying you know the neighborhood on the back I can't do that the number of vehicles is the next thing because the worry is that it's going to be an all-night affair with people coming and screaming and making all types of noise the number the average number of vehicles that get towed a night is about three or four vehicles give or take and that is on the more heavier nights which are usually on Thursday Friday and Saturdays so it would be three nights a week that it would be an operation usually around the nighttime and it probably stops around three in the morning and there wouldn't be any additional lighting or clanking of any Medals of tow trucks I have everything buffered with um rubber hose to make sure there's no noise all of my trucks are brand new and they have uh they're certified quite idle can I ask you a question about your trucks yes when they go backwards do they go beep nope that is taking off that is removed straight from the factory I snipped that immediately okay our vehicle release protocol usually cuts the amount of vehicles from experience in half we we run a Department of Motor Vehicles we have access to Auto data direct to find out who the owner register owner of the vehicle is we run it before people come down to pick up their cars that cuts it by 50 most of the time they are the registered owners I say about 35 40 percent of the time they're not it's a borrowed car in somebody else's vehicle therefore that would turn the vehicle release into a daytime pickup uh and I heard aesthetic and pleasing a front landscape is going to be uh built to code and improve over the existing landscape and that's what I heard that I need to cover commission Mariana yeah I'm not sure thank you um sure I got to tell you I think you run a good business I think you will run a good business I just think it's the wrong location for a residence be right behind you as you say until three o'clock at night there could be a drop-off coming in three nights a week it's just I wouldn't

want to live next to it yeah I'm kind of feeling the same way I actually texted our County administrators say can we at least use some property on the complex we have out by the jail um because to me that seems like more of an appropriate place for this this kind of business and frankly I think and you know we just redid our landscape ordinance to say that um car dealers vehicle storage and all that um you know used to have require 75-foot buffer which isn't realistic in a lot of places but when we got rid of that then that opened the door for this and the of the capability of this coming in and I too just just don't think this is the right location and um is it a possibility of doing an in a building where everything goes inside um that may be too expensive for this site but I think um we we have a vision for 41 that especially with Moffett and and what we know was coming in that doesn't include a use like this in that area but I do think we we need you and you know I hope I hope you can find another location and if we have the ability to to help you I'd be fine with that um but I just don't think it's the right location okay yeah and on 41 looking at the plans in our book it says it would be a modular office so you wouldn't even have a cement building or I haven't decided yet but the cement building almost seems comparable in price for developing so again I don't think a modular office would be aesthetically closing as well yeah Madam chair thank you I don't know if I don't have any more questions for you I didn't know if anybody any more questions for the applicant because while we have discussion I'm good what do you want to go ahead and I think you could take a seat now sorry let's get anything else for us all right no that's it no okay um yeah it just Echo some of your comments um we do appreciate when a business wants to expand and do well I mean it's your livelihood we can appreciate that obviously um but I do you know I agree at this location um concerns me we had a similar somewhat similar situation I think it was last year when it was a fuel station that was looking to go up on a major Corridor as well and it it butted some homes very similar to this you remember that um was it right next to him yeah I'm just saying it was a similar situation um but the person already owned the land and they came back and did something different and they decided to build office okay kudos to them they did but they found a use for it um I like how

chair Starkey did reach out to the county minister so it might be a conversation that can be had there may be a location you know we could help you out with because there's some great sites in Pasco County especially around some industrial areas as well that might be better better suited for something like this because we again we want to see you be successful be successful but with this one there's no number of things that concern me so it's it's really not consistent with I'm going to name some standards here in section 402.3 number one the proposed conditional use is inconsistent with the goals objectives and policies of the adopted company it's a plan it's elements or ethical portions therefore specifically it's policy 1.10.1 which is a compability review the proposed conditional use would adversely affect or contribute to the deterioration of the quality of life or property of values in the immediate neighborhood because there are homes that do about that very very closely we're three the proposed conditional use is inconsistent with the character of the surrounding area including the existing land pattern number six the site upon which the conditional use is to be located does not have nor will have screen and buffering sufficient enough actually to prevent interference with the enjoyment of the surrounding properties particularly as it relates to noise and number eight would be the proposed conditional use will otherwise adversely affect the health safety or welfare of the surrounding Community or area so with that I um I do make a motion to deny this application okay um is that a road called Road or what no not okay all in favor of the motion signified by saying aye aye opposed so um so we we do want you in the area but not not that location so I hope you can find another successful location and staff you know I hope you're listening to us because I don't want people to spend money and effort when they don't have that opportunity to be successful yeah I think I think we'll be working and getting with the team too and talking about you know the conditional use process and I mean obviously everybody's welcome to apply it's just maybe we can they can help you find a better fit without having to go through this long-lethick process in the future because time is money I get it and um attorney's not bad to help you out either I mean I'm not trying to promote or or somebody in that realm that could possibly assist you as well I I did want to say and looking at the pictures and I've been going up and down the map here and I remember when we added those trees the US-41 we got a grant from the state and commissioner muelleri worked on that and then they came in they started yanking out some of the trees and we got them to stop um I sure would like us to see if we can go back to putting some of those oak

trees back down the middle of years for you so better I mean yeah I've worked with very closely with um rep zika we had the preparation it just did it just didn't make it we have we have the money for the trees yeah if we can do it ourselves that'd be great thank you remember you can't put a tree where you block the view of a billboard sadly but we should be able to put some more trees down that 41 U.S 41. can we take a five minute break for the next one because this might be long I see a lot of people speaking or you can get started I gotta walk up so 278. just seven years right we have one more p78 and then we'll take a five minute break okay item p78 was published in Tampa Times on August 17 2022. I'm sorry Liam Divine Planning Development item p78 um PDD 23-7634 in the name of um mjw Group Inc Viceroy Apartments is a zoning Amendment from mf2 multi-family high density District to mf3 multi-family high density District um the subject site is located on the west side of Wood Trail Boulevard approximately 175 feet north of Old County Road 54. this is an aerial view of the septic site the surrounding future land use to the north Is Res six to the east Is Res 6 and RoR to the South is RoR into the West is res-9 the surrounding zoning to that North is mf2 and R4 to the east is R3 R4 and mf2 and C2 to the South South is C1 and to the West is mf-1 the subject site is currently undeveloped on approximately 2.8 Acres the applicant proposes to develop the property of 67 multi-family dwelling units in conformance with the mf3 multi-medium family density just multi-family high density District standards currently the property is zoned mf2 which would allow 50 dwelling units with this subject request to go to mf3 that would actually just increase the density to by 17 dwelling units to a total of 67 dwelling units access to the property is from Wood Trail Boulevard a county maintained local Road approximately 60 feet up right away the surrounding area is characterized by commercial and residential development and on August 24 2022 you guys approved a comp plan amendment to change the future land use to Res 24. this is coming with recommendation for approval from Planning Commission and Planning Development Department I'm here if you have any questions I don't have any questions um let's do a really good presentation from the applicant nope okay um I personally love this project um problems do you have are you familiar with this project I'm sure I've had him met with with the applicant in all work it's already it's already his own multi-family so just yeah we're not changing commercials in our office to multi-family it's already multi-family so I don't have anything for the comment

um I I guess I would ask the applicant and try to remember I don't think I have my notes with me from my meeting but we did I don't know I remember doing some suggestions of things in our meeting and I didn't know if anything changed from our initial meeting I think we were trying to just improve it a little bit Barbara well height 63 27 Grand Boulevard Newport Richie for the applicant we are at the rezoning stage there have been changes to the site plan made and listening to comments yeah and as well for the record you were sworn yes okay all right this is a public hearing does anyone want to speak to these I have no one signed up and no one on WebEx for this item all right back to the board I believe there was no in and up position um as well so I would do a motion to approve second all in favor aye aye opposed okay all right we'll take a five minute break [Music]

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foreign [Music] foreign [Music] oh there you go Mr Peters please do you need to do anything to him I do I need to do something very important for the record thank you Mr petos p79 was published in Tampa Times on September 21st 2022. thank you madam chair uh item p-79 is a zoning amendment in the name of Seven Oaks mpud master plan unit development parcel s19 by SD Wesley Chapel LLC it's a resorting request from an MPV master plan unit development to an MPD master plan your development to modify the master plan to allow the conversion of retail commercial entitlements to multi-family entitlements on parcel s19 I'm going to keep my presentation brief today given that much of my presentation is already on the record from the January 11 2022 border County Commissioners meeting which is also why I've included the previous case numbers on the slide that's on the overhead along with today's case number slide uh that's on the slide so the applicant previously proposed to modify the Seven Oaks mpud to add multi-family as an alternate use on parcel s19 by utilizing a land use equivalency Matrix currently the allowed primary use on sn18 is retail and the alternate uses office the applicant previously modified the proposal for the Southern Oaks MPD which was uh I believe yes which was heard in January earlier this year to add both multi-family and 20 000 square feet of commercial retail office space on s19 as a vertically integrated mixed-use building and the Planning Commission at that time in the in the previous hearings voted five to one to recommend approval of the modified mixed-use proposal and on January 11 2022 the board of County Commissioners voted three two to deny the project and then the project went into mediation so post-mediation uh in other words today the applicant continued with the modified proposal for the Seven Oaks mqd and added with the edit with the commercial retail office added to the multi-family and and continues to recommend or propose a vertically integrated mixed-use building uh with the following updates as I've noted on the board before bullets they've increased the minimum retail office commercial entitlement from 20 000 square feet to 25 000 square feet they reduced the number of parking deviations to the land of element code because more vertical parking is made available within the updated version of the project they have committed to the site plan building configuration of the site which the applicant will speak to and also to pedestrian safety traffic calming features on the Central Drive aisle that

separates the parcel from the north half in the South half and they have agreed to work with Sam's Club or Walmart to extend The Pedestrian walkway safety improvements across the site so that it's not just in front of their two buildings on the North and South but also extend Eastward into the Walmart property provided that that they agree with to it this is uh just a brief reminder in terms of where this is located right off of state road 56 and ancient Oaks Boulevard it's the property highlighted in the red here uh it is zoned mpud located in a Res three future land use this is the location of Parts last 19 and the overall Seven Oaks mpud all the way at the South End by uh State Road 56. and and Bruce B Downs on the uh East so and some some of the history here um this was part of a dri previously and the amputee was modified several times in the past to [Music] revised primary and Alternate approved uses on the associated land use equivalency Matrix the most recent substantial modification was in November of 2019 to allow the brewery that went just east or west on on State Road 56. uh as it was originally uh proposed the modifications DMV were found to be inconsistent with the provisions of the Castle County Cafe so plan this was when the project was only proposing multi-family um by January of 2022 the Planning and Development Department sought found it consistent with the comprehensive plan through the use of importantly integrated mixed-use building strategy that incorporated the commercial and office entitlements into the project BCC however found it inconsistent at that time as it is currently proposed the project remains similar and familiar to What was seen in January of 2022 with increased non-residential square footage in the vertically integrity and mixed-use Building Concept A reduced parking variations which which is a an improvement over what was previously brought forward and enhanced pedestrian experiences along the East-West Drive vial that separates the property into the North and South halves uh this is just a repeat from from January I won't go through it all but in general it's a third if you will random model analysis was not conducted um for this case because that uh in January we were looking at 20 000 square feet and found it to be the analysis indicated negligible Revenue differences over the 10-year average and so by adding more uh to the total square footage for commercial office um people's not going to change a recommendation that had already been made for approval these are some of the policies that we discussed back in January I won't go through all of them they're part of the

presentation again some of the policies and ideas that were discussed back in January as a reminder to the to the board and to the public of what we talked about these being some of the Land Development code items uh and how they were addressed and then finally uh we stand before the board today recommending approval with conditions however there are options associated with this project as always there is the option to deny the the proposal and then there's also the option to direct yet another course of action for the project and with that I will complete my presentation so I should mention too that we have received many many ex-party Communications from all the different board members these have been compiled and submitted to board records by staff thank you okay um can the applicant present please thank you madam chair uh Joel to to an Associates Palm Harbor Florida I am land use counsel for the property owner uh and the applicant which is SD Wesley Chapel LLC as the chair will recall I was granted 15 minutes and I have been sworn thank you and I was granted 15 minutes for initial presentation five minutes for rebuttal but just as Mr pitos did I'm going to be absolutely as brief as possible this is a proposed mediation settlement pursuant to section 70.51 of Florida Statutes which provides a specific procedural mechanism to resolve zoning disputes prior to going to further litigation we went through the full process the mediator allowed the CDD and other interested parties to participate so we had discussions with staff the CDD and other representatives in the process we did come to terms of agreement with your county staff for proposed settlement those terms were rejected by the other participants but pursuant to the statute at the end of the day it's between the property owner who has the property rights and the county to decide the terms of the settlement the other parties obviously have the right to speak but not a right to be a party to the settlement this and it is very important we we've been to the Planning Commission twice we spoke with you once in a very lengthy hearing I am not going to rehash all of that hearing but I'm going to very Briefly summarize the key points just to refresh Recollections and in anticipation of some of the arguments that maybe may be made in opposition it's important to note what this is in Mr petos alluded to this the underlying matter is a master plan modification only it is simply a map change it is not an impudy rezoning it's not a change in the zoning it is simply a map modification as he explained the map has a table that has permitted and Alternate uses for parcels and this is simply a map change that

would also allow the multi-family use on this parcel as part of a mixed use vertically integrated configuration now having said what it is that it's just simply a map change let me tell you five things that it the proceeding is not and this is critical to the arguments being made against us number one it is not a rezoning for a new density or new entitlements the approved vested dri an approved vested MPD already approves 1 726 multi-family units within the mpud 1 726 which may be Apartments secondly only 588 of those multi-family units have been constructed to this day in Seven Oaks therefore if you add our additional 320 units to the 558 which have been built if we're approved and constructed there will still only be 878 multi-family units and if you divide 878 by the 1726 approved you will find that we still will only be at 50.8 percent five zero point eight percent of the allowed and only family units that the board previously has specifically approved as vested entitlements for this dri secondly it is not the introduction of a new a new multi-family product as I just stated Apartments were approved from the get-go in Seven Oaks and not only Apartments but a lot of apartments think about 1726 apartments that were approved everyone who moved into Seven Oaks knew there was a master plan and knew there was a zoning for a mix of uses that could include 1726 Apartments it is disingenuous to now say that's right that no one anticipated apartments and MPD in fact there are two existing multi-family Parcels constructed one just north of us and one west of us that are within the MPD interestingly they both are on the perimeter of the impud just as we are they're not internal to what you would consider the internal single family detached neighborhood with that said there are existing approved multi-family Parcels internal to the mqd there are Parcels that are approved and designated for apartments interior so if having Apartments interior with traffic coming you know into Apartments is okay why would Apartments own the exterior that's not bringing those trips into your single family subdivision why would those be objectionable thirdly this is not the first land use equivalency Matrix conversion to be proposed in Seven Oaks the land use equivalency Matrix which as you recall allows you to change between unit between uses based on a predetermined Institute of Traffic Engineers formula has been done 17 times in Seven Oaks 16 of those were done before we applied one has even been done since we applied

okay yes did you say 17 times in Seven Oaks or in the county seven UPS 17 times in Seven Oaks and more importantly they were all done administratively no one came and asked you mother may I because under the dri there is an absolute right to make those conversions okay I provided a legal memorandum when we started this requesting that conversion and that it be done administratively that was denied for the stated reason that oh you can't do it because the map doesn't say you can do Apartments there but there's no question about the right to be able to do the loom conversion in my legal opinion and I submit a legal memorandum on that Point number four and this is a segue to the loom conversion for Point number four there will not be there will not be any increase in traffic and let me explain that the land use equivalency Matrix as I said by definition is based upon a one to one equivalent trip conversion so by definition whatever number of Apartments you propose matches exactly these same trips that the equivalent square feet of retail would predicts so when you invoke the loom the whole purpose for that is to make sure it is traffic neutral so all the arguments today that we're going to generate more traffic is simply empirically professionally untrue it's false your Traffic Engineers will tell you that the loom is based on a one-to-one trip equivalency and the square feet we're converting to the apartments ensures that the 320 Apartments will equal exactly the trip generation that the retail would have generated now in this case our project will generate less traffic than if the full allowed retail was developed and the reason for that is we don't require all of the retail square footage to convert to the 320 units we will still be leaving retail square footage theoretically on the table now it's not going to get used in parcel s19 because we're using up all the land so we'll only have the 320 apartments and the 25 000 square feet but we absolutely as a scientific truth will not generate more daily trips than would have been generated if it was all retail will generate less Fifth and last on what we are not we are not an increase in the reasonably anticipated use or demand upon the CDD facilities and let me explain that it goes back to what we've already talked about when the CDD was established There Was An approved vested MPD that authorized 1726 Apartments okay so whatever CDD facilities that whomever decided to design and build they built that knowing how many units this board had approved for that project even if our apartments are built again you will only be at 50 percent of what reasonably was anticipated under the zoning approval to be accommodated

by the CDD our parcel in fact is in the CDD we have CDD assessments Mr gelder's company is going to have to write a check for that assessment and it includes permanent ongoing operating and maintenance assessments so he is going to have to pay in perpetuity just like everyone else with that said even though they certainly reasonably should have contemplated the units that were vested and approved with that said we're going to have very minimal impact they're going to have the best of both worlds they're going to get stock developments assessment checks but because of the nature of this project which you've seen with our specific targeted amenities our high-end luxury amenities most of those residents most of the time are going to use those facilities that are built for them on that site May a few people occasionally go to the other facility or go walk a trail sure but in terms of the main impact on your recreational facilities we simply are not going to add much to that and and to the extent we do we're we're a mandatory member of the CDD we have to pay our money we're going to pay our money and so we have the right to do that and that can't be done right now that's what we aren't and the reason I say that is please don't get misled by arguments that tried to argue points that simply are empirical adopted facts now as Terry did to save a whole bunch of time going through history I want to go directly to our proposal but before I do that just for the record I need to incorporate my reference to Prior binder of exhibits that we introduced in the record at the Planning Commission on September 19th of 2021 by reference the addendum binder that we introduced at the Planning Commission on December the 9th of 2021 all of the transcripts of the prior hearings and all of the testimony of the prior hearings which you heard in January I just want to make sure the record's clear that we're incorporating by reference all of that information and the last thing I have which I submitted to PDD last week when it arrived but it was after your agenda package so Mr petos asked that I introduce a copy with the board clerk Terry talked about the economic impact comparisons that even at the 20 000 square feet it basically was an even basis between the mixed use project and if it was purely retail we did have Tom lavash at wtl who testified to you previously and who has been an economic consultant for the county he updated his report at the 25 000 square feet plus the 320 units that shows the further increase of Revenue and jobs over obviously what would have been generated at twenty thousand so if the board would be kind enough to receive and file I'll just give this to the clerk second all in favor all right thank you now with that said the important thing is what have we done since January

to hopefully convince three or more of you that this project in fact is what Pasco County wants what it's asked for and what it should encourage as you know it's an urban infill site just as a reminder those are professional offices to the north those are not residential professional offices to the North and the northwest Sam's Club to the east moldy family to the Northeast and to the West just off the screen multi-family so we're surrounded by multi-family professional office retail and multi-family so there is no serious question about compatibility at all most of you've seen this this is the Central Drive aisle how it will look this is not a hypothetical between the January hearing and now while we were doing the mediation Mr gelder paid his architect to design the buildings and to design the site this is how that Central Drive out will look under the terms of the new conditions of approval it will have parking on the street to help calm traffic it will have the dedicated bike Lanes it is extra wide as you can see that streetscaping is mandatory we'll talk about that in a moment and the whole idea is to create the sense of place and to help calm the traffic here are the summary of the changes as I said we've reduced the retail office component from 20 000 to 25. why did that happen two reasons we heard you loud and clear that you wanted us to maximize the employment portion of this that could fit in the building Keith told you back in January that he only had uh he only had so much room in the building this will max out the first floor of that main building we've added the streetscape and the traffic calming we're committed and this is critical because this is mandatory vertical mixed use this is mandatory structured parking this isn't if or maybe that that structured parking has allowed us to eliminate the the parking deviations which were an issue for some of you understandably last time you were concerned about why we're granting parking deviations by doing structured parking we've been able to reduce that how much more do you have two minutes literally one one okay one minute one minute speak fast will do because I I asked him a question okay so The Pedestrian features going to number seven and this is important uh and you've all seen this in the conditions we have a high visibility crosswalks we have pedestrian and vehicular warning signage we have pedestrian activated push button signals and they will light up the lights in the pavers for the crossing at night and we have the raised roadway paper crosswalks again it is site plan specific you don't see this in MPD rezoning we are committing to this specific site plan this specific building configuration this specific building design and these specific pedestrian enhancements so with that said that's the proposal your Planning Commission recommended approval before

your planning department has reiterated its recommendation of approval we think we've addressed The Pedestrian safety concerns from the prior hearing and we respectfully request your approval thank you okay is there are there any questions for the applicant I do have just one at this time and I'll just make Republic um comment Mr two go back one slide for me please oh I'm sorry I apologize one more I I can't do it that one this one or another one which one you want oh is it not is it go off again this one oh I'm sorry um no I'm sorry uh one more there thank you I appreciate it um what's good number eight committed to off-site pedestrian safety measure substance at Sam's Club approach when I had my meeting last week I think it was last week okay with Terry and David um they had mentioned this but we were waiting on a letter from Walmart corporate has that come in yet sir I uh said David a response on that either yesterday or today we sent the letter initially to the contact person we had and they said that to get a formal review they had to have two things they had to have detailed plans to show exactly what we were talking about doing on their crosswalk and we had to show them that we had County approval for the project they did not want to prove something that you had not approved so it's kind of a chicken and an egg and the other thing is that we absolutely and Keith gelder can address this we're absolutely committed I want to show you what they have now here's what we're talking about see the they have the designated crosswalks this is the end of our property that's the central dry valve they have the crosswalk marked in the in the asphalt they have the handicap ramp for the sidewalk all the way the front door what we're talking about doing is getting them to let us put the raised pavers in the park going across their dry valve and denoting that with the same type of you know notification system but the short answer is they said you got to give us the exact plan details and you got to show us that Pasco County approves this I talked to David about this I firmly believe that something that will only improve safety on their site and help them control liability on their site surely their corporate council at the end of the day and their business people if persuaded by Mr Goldstein and myself will see fit to prove that but with that said we can't legally go work on their land that we don't own if they don't give us that permission we're going to do everything in our power to get them to agree to them follow-up question about chair yep so Mr two just you mentioned the plan details the um yeah the plan details I guess the architectural drawings or details that would need to

be construction plan that would be submitted to the county see that's the other thing the county is going to have to prove a construction plan and issue a permit for that walk on that work on Sam's Club yeah so I guess that's just my question if if you know that's one of the things obviously you guys are selling today you know right to to try to get approval if the plans aren't drawn up yeah you couldn't submit them to Sam's so why did I why weren't they drawn up and submitted to Sam's as part of your offer previously because it doesn't sound like you're ready for prime time yet we showed them what we showed them is we showed them this exact Crossing that we're constructing on our property and we told them that we want to construct the same Crossings at each of their dry vials in their sidewalk so we did provide them exactly the same thing that's in your zoning approval and the reason is we don't we won't even have construct detailed construction plans for our site until we have this approval I mean you have to have zoning approval to draw detailed construction plans but I understand what you're saying I I think this is the tail on the dog um I've never had a zoning approval in Pasco County in 25 years that had a requirement for off-site construction on someone that's else's land unless that person agreed now we've had to do it on public property no I'm with you so it's a volunt I guess my point is it's an additional voluntary enhancement that we have an obligation to do everything in our power in concert with the county to get them to let us build this I can't imagine Sam's Club is going to tell you no you as a County if they want to develop Walmarts and Sam Clubs in Pasco County I mean that would be foolish but I can't I can't I can't speak for them I'll just come back later I just have another question on that but I want to get to public okay thank you okay um we have a lot of people signed up but I think there's a certain order that our public speakers wish to thank you all right um the first that I have up is the Theodore Rhodes followed by um Chelsea Waller um okay there is there's quite a few people so do you want to do WebEx that's fine we can do web experience rather go if never you don't have to say I just don't want to um okay so we're gonna take those folks on WebEx all right so Eric um how about Lillian Burnett Miss Burnett hold on just a moment okay you have been elevated if you could state your name address and whether or not you've been sworn and then you can proceed Miss Burnett we cannot hear you you are unmute I'm just kind of nervous that you're my

one all right can you hear me now okay we can hear you you're very low can you try again okay okay my name is Lillian Burnett I live at 27451 Miss Flower Drive and I have to be sworn in right we can hear you go ahead and proceed there's nothing wrong you have not okay wait none of the WebEx people have been so okay we're gonna swear in all the WebEx people at one time so if you're at home you need to raise your hand all right do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth so help you God I do thank you you may proceed okay um thank you for letting me speak Commissioners I am urging you to vote no on the rezoning in Seven Oaks on parcel s19 absolutely not the right location for 320 Apartments we already have a couple traffic conditions getting into the community from state road 56 at traffic times the current shoot left turn Lanes do not accommodate the growth we have experienced and create a major traffic debacle In This Very there were several other residents speaking in more detail traffic issues issue here is not about not wanting more Apartments it's about adding another possible 640 and specifically where these are proposed apartments and Retail would be personally I am all for growth and pleased to see what has happened with the infrastructure in our once cow pasture areas brought jobs and opportunities and choices for shopping and eating I've lived in Seven Oaks for 18 years and I also don't think that some of you have done perhaps your due diligence are completely familiar with the impact of changing this zoning would have on our community [Applause] to keep the lands the developers zoned it for commercial for a reason to keep the landscape of the existing Community to stay and remain the same with already existing commercial and professional buildings I will say that stocks developments renderings look beautiful but allowing three-story buildings which forever ruined the established the entrance to Seven Oaks my recommendation to stock development would be to build one story commercial professional buildings or to build this beautiful project that they're proposing North in Seven Oaks across from the new BayCare Hospital thank you for your time thank you very much next up is so doin dohen but please wait one moment we can Elevate you foreign you should be um ready to go we've got you unmuted if you can set your name address and whether or not you've been

sworn my name is 3400 Chapel Creek um and yes I have been sworn in and I guess I just wanted to um I just wanted to voice my opinion on the that corner it's definitely is not uh suitable for multi levels apartment buildings that is very very congested area turning in especially during the holiday season it's impossible for me to get into seven Oak from the highway from the Bruce B Downs even so and to add some more apartments in that area it's just not possible I asked you to know on this issue thank you we have Kathy Doyle is next just wait one moment while we Elevate you [Music] okay you should be good to go um there you go you're non-muted hi I I wasn't really prepared to speak I'm I'm just here to listen and support everybody in um Seven Oaks against the proposed apartments and that's not all I'd like to say thank you thank you James kotlin give us one moment while we Elevate you can you hear me now right yes we can hear you go proceed okay James kotlin two seven four three four water Ash Drive within seven oaks and I have been sworn um thank you appreciate your time and uh to Echo some of the other comments were made you know uh the attorney addressed earlier that there was two apartment complexes within seven oaks um but we must consider the other ones that are within that also add density to that area they got The Enclave bontera um you also have the blue heron assisted living apartments which are in the back of Seven Oaks traffic is an issue um regardless of the arguments against um and and it's an assumption that residents of the apartments would not use the Seven Oaks facility um so you can't base uh a decision on that assumption that being said um I did want to stress the importance of keeping a commercial spaces and specifically the need for small business office spaces my wife and I own a small business administration certified woman owned small business which is also a certified women-owned business Enterprise in the State of Florida we are a Department of Defense Contracting Company and as such we are required to have office space within the greater Tampa area to support our customers down on mcdill Special Operations Command Special Operations Command Central and then some of the others and uh the office space requirements in this area are are are less than ideal um we do have Corp our business space located in the Seven Oaks but we've been looking for the greater part of two years to try to get space in this area we'd like to keep it in Wesley Chapel because we uh hire in the Wesley Chapel area to support our business and uh rezoning this and adding additional apartments and although there's commercial space there it's not the

ideal commercial space needed for independent office spaces uh due to uh security clearance restrictions on space and storage and whatnot that is ideal in the offset business spaces that you see uh surrounding the Seven Oaks property uh with that said I appreciate your time thank you we have um the last one for WebEx is is Abby Magnus give us one moment please all right Miss Magnus you should be um able to speak thank you so much for for this opportunity I'm Abby Magnus I live at 2810 a place in Wesley Chapel um again I wanted to hurt ma'am I'm sorry you have to State whether or not you've been sworn I have been sworn thank you now you may proceed thank you so much I really appreciate the opportunity um I wanted to mention we are not um anti-a apartment this is just really uh the wrong wrong location as others have said the road infrastructure alone there are not going to support more Apartments the traffic there is already tremendously congested um during rush hour either getting out or coming home or already backing up in into 56. and I would say I wanted to take issue a little bit with the commercial use um um that the lawyer for the developer was stating with commercial use uh most businesses open around o'clock in the morning that's usually after rush hour um and stay open longer after people get home so perfect patterns aren't at all the same again it's already a very dangerous intersection um adding more multi-family housing they're only going to make it worse and again um as others has mentioned in back by BayCare there is plenty of space within seven oaks there um for apartment that can be built um without really congesting that area that's a wrong location for this project and I thank you very much for this time and I appreciate everything you're doing thank you very much and that's all we have on WebEx so I will move back here for those that signed up we have Theodore Rhodes thank you I'm still surprised to be first but but my name is Theodore Rhodes I reside at 3507 grass Glen Place oh I've been sworn thank you uh Wesley Chapel Florida 33544 I would like to address two fatal flaws in the proposed Seven Oaks mpud Amendment proposal to be considered the first is the improper public-private regulatory responsibility transfer proposed it's under Section 34 B13 of the revised mpud document and the second is the potential sky and Sun blocking of the single-family residence homes to the north that could be caused by the increased height Allowed by the modified mpud provisions as a developer general contractor broker and real estate investor for over 40 years I've never seen a public private

responsibly transferred such as the one set forth in this proposal if completed it would undermine the well-accepted roles of public responsibilities by substituting self-screwing private interests for overall public interests since zoning is a public duty transferring financial responsibility for this Public Act appears improper at best and likely illegal it also telegraphs the county knows that what is proposed should not be granted making someone else pay for a bad decision does not convert it to a good one with respect to building Heights the original mpud provided for uses with limited height on the subject site hundreds of homes immediately north of the site were built and sold based on these limitations to allow substantially higher buildings with different uses that originally approved and that could block sunlight and that unanticipated visual obstructions to these properties long after full build out undoes the meeting of planned unit development if a developer can build under one set of rules to maximize home sales prices and then change the rules to add less desirable components after the fact and planned unit protection to mean nothing Commissioners Starkey cited this as the reason for her rejection of the proposed S12 Crown office development adjacent to the clubhouse while the incompatibility and variance issues there are obvious oops wrong page additionally if approved this revision will like the act as president for countless future proposals that will then be extremely difficult to decline for the above reasons as well as those to describe to be described by other speakers including the not limited to incompatibility of propose development its contributions are already overburdened schools and local roads there's lack of prescribed parts and public accommodations the proposals should be rejected thank you thank you very much next I have is George Frazier thank you on George Fraser I live at 27517 edenfield drive and I have been sworn thank you for this opportunity I'm a 16-year Seven Oaks resident and I recommend it it is my desire that the board of County Commissioners vote to deny the parcel s19 proposal I believe that the County's response on January 11th of this year remains substantially the correct one it should continue to direct development in accordance with existing decisions perhaps when there is no longer designated property for multi-family then consider making these types of changes the original presentation made by my fellow community members on January 11th and the concerns noted our mind as well I do not believe that the proposal fits it is not consistent with the original intent or the character of the area the fact that variations to the LDC have to be made meaning neighborhood parks

parkings Etc does concern me there is more demand growth in commercial development in Pasco than multi-family housing and my hope is that the board will focus on this with their vote if that needs to change then may Pasco County increase its efforts into using the existing Zone land to promote apartment living to fulfill the need I ask for each of your vote in denying this proposal thank you you next up I have Jim White my name is Jim White I live at 2614 millhopper Avenue in Brook forest and Seven Oaks uh I just wanna first of all you've been sworn and then have you been sworn no oh okay oh please raise your right hand anyone else has not been sworn okay well go ahead do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth so help you God yes thank you and proceed thank you again um from Brook forest and I'm coming from the standpoint of agreeing with basically everybody that's been here so far my main concern is the the traffic um what I would appreciate is if you would deny this proposal and the reasons are that kind of go back to where I come from I'm a San Francisco 49er fan I'm glad to be here with the Tampa Bay Bucks and be glad I'm out of the San Francisco Bay Area now why would I say that because California is a beautiful place well it's easy because if you go back there right now you'll understand what your future may look like if we approve this kind of stuff now I love Florida this has been a great we I've we moved here in 2003 moved into our house in January 2004. so we've been there from the very beginning seeing the growth conversely I saw the growth Campbell California San Jose Santa Clara Silicon Valley lived through all of that and I can tell you um it's not about once the day that they get this project completed it's the 5 10 15 years after that because things build up the traffic it's an absolutely terrible location to have that I drive through there every day and I'm sure many of you go through there as well the traffic on 56 is well it's not as bad as some places but it's getting more congested so you can see that's going on now the good thing that I see is that there's so much land in Seven Oaks why does it have to be right next to uh Sam's Club to me that doesn't make sense one thing that was brought up and I'd like to throw it out there I don't know if you'll agree with this but the idea that the traffic patterns for multi-use family is going to be the same as office space or commercial well if you live in these developments you realize that there's a lot of young families and those families have children and they grow up just like they did on the street that I live on um multi-use family they're going to have families young children are going to grow up there's going to be a higher

density but I think maybe the biggest thing is that that's going to be a 24 7 traffic issue with commercial you're going to have less than that it may not be open on Sundays they're going to have you know their hours but it's not going to be 24 7. so I think that the location is bad traffic is going to be a lot worse down the road and I hope you find a way to turn this down because there's so many other places that they could build this thing thank you I was born in Redwood City oh cool yeah there's a lot of us and more coming thank you thank you thank you all right Mike uh garbett [Applause] Redwood City is uh just south of San Francisco San Mateo my car but uh I'm at 27 433 water Ash Drive Wesley Chapel and I have been sworn in thank you the development of s19 for commercial or retail use in accordance with the master plan would provide more services for the residents of Seven Oaks and more jobs and tax revenue for Pasco County it would also create traffic that would be spread throughout the day and not add to rush hour congestion in our community on the other hand 320 new apartments would add to the existing traffic in a way that was never planned the county has not done a detailed study of what the new traffic patterns would be taking the actual road infrastructure into account any trip to the north for example to Ace Hardware or the car dealers on 54 or the movie theaters requires three left turns across the traffic to get to Bruce B Downs North or you can exit on summergate take a right and make a u-turn on Bruce B downs or you can do what Google Maps suggests you do during rush hour and drive straight through the seven makes Seven Oaks neighborhood along ancient Oaks Boulevard that's what Google recommends so hundreds of more cars driving through our neighborhood it's just not desirable development of the land as it is currently zoned will not cause traffic problems but rezoning will a few years ago my wife wanted to rent some office space for a small business there is remarkably little space available in the adjacent commercial developments we need more commercial facilities for more jobs and more economic growth in Pasco County we do not need to use that land for apartments that create very few jobs plan is rezone the surrounding Community will lose the potential for more jobs and services in the neighborhood and only get problems in return our neighborhood will become less desirable and our property values will drop just a two percent drop in property values will collectively cost the 2007 Oaks homeowners at least 20 million

dollars we all lose so the developer can make money at our expense it is a net loss to the community the developer is not able to fit the county required recreational facilities into their proposed development so they're asking to be allowed to break the rules the Seven Oaks nature trail is a wonderful amenity only five minutes walk from where the apartments will be and you can check that on Google Maps the nearest Seven Oaks neighborhood park is also only five minutes away so the amenities that we pay for and enjoy will become more crowded and have less value so I plead with you to deny that you replace thank you all right so I've gone through my list and I've checked it twice I just want to make sure that I've called everyone that is not part of the group that's going to present so let me go through the names of the individuals that are going to be presenting the various slides last names is Tom Sue Lockwood I think it's luo could be wrong Sierra Irani Mullen and then at the end will be attorney Waller delfhard I just want to make sure is there anyone okay good is there anyone else that wishes to speak that didn't sign up okay go ahead and proceed come up to the front um and at the podium state your name and address and if you've been sworn Ms Dion Parks I live at 3154 sunwatch drive and I did the little WebEx wherein sitting back there of that counts it does count okay I just want a piggyback on the traffic issue because although the gentleman said that it would not create an issue we live there I've been a resident of 18 years and we have seen the progression of traffic throughout our community and with a business they're mostly going to use that front entrance and that side entrance which I think is the summer Gate entrance to enter and exit our community if you put residents there that is going to draw them in to the center of our neighborhoods and you're also talking about adding another bus stop to our community for elementary middle and high school and as we all well know there's a busting shortage for drivers there's a teacher shortage for our schools it's common knowledge so in the amount of kids that exit the buses currently for those apartments is a lot and I just don't want to see our schools stretched more than they are already and as far as bringing the apartments to the interior of the um neighborhood that would kind of alleviate some of the traffic actually that's coming through the front borders of our community because it would be more on the back side because that's where we have the more open space so I assume that that's where the land is

zoned for for the apartments so it would bring in a different flow throughout our streets and I think that's important and the second thing I would like to hit on is the design of these apartments I have seen beautiful apartments with similar designs but they are not nestled into a parking lot they are facing the street there is high density of pedestrian traffic to draw people in they are on roads that are not situated on a 50 mile 55 mile per hour Main Road and yes you are turning into a road that is a 30 mile per hour road but you are coming off of a 55 mile per hour road Apartments like these are situated on roads that have low speed limits they're not coming off of a six-lane highway and like I said there is a lot of pedestrian traffic that draws them in to these retail establishments you are not going to find that in this location somewhere that can offer them the opportunity for people in these apartments to walk to restaurants to walk to a grocery store to walk to entertainment like say the crates or around the Grove or something like that that's where these apartments Thrive not at the corner of this entrance off of a six-lane highway into a Sam's parking lot it just isn't going to work thank you very much all right anyone else before I call the individuals I named before okay then we will start with John tomsu and then as you're going through your presentation I know the next person is going to come up in the next person again if you when you come up name address and then State whether or not you've been sworn all in favor aye you're good excellent before I begin let me ask a question um name and address for the record yes ma'am John Thompson 26738 wingdom Drive Wesley Chapel Florida 33544 I have been sworn okay what's the question so before my time starts yeah okay um I would ask actually I'd beg um May I please have one more minute um because MR2 actually brought up a whole bunch of concerns relating to the loom and made references um that are somewhat inaccurate and it's actually part of my presentation so if I could have just one extra minute and how much it what did we give you um right now I have three minutes yeah they're just going one after the other okay is anyone else going to talk about the loom in your group no no okay all right four minutes you ready okay nope so no one else can talk are we good with the all right okay thank you you made sure I proceed oh you got your time oh sorry you've got it for four minutes okay sorry so the first thing that I heard was um hey this isn't a rezoning um unfortunately on resolution 2225 RZ um it's actually described as an MPD mpud zoning Amendment request so maybe we use

the wrong word maybe it's not supposed to be called rezoning it's supposed to be a zoning Amendment but it is still a change what I'm going to call out here is the denial mediation revised proposal um these are the sequence of events that we've been going over since January and even before then um the denial was actually based off of uh subject excuse me wasn't based off of subjective whim but it was actual law code statute and plan um all of the references that are shown up here with the bullets uh are references to exactly what was used as the evidence against or or for the denial of this uh this property specific to employment generating uses the reduction of employment generating entitlements the fact that there wasn't a cost analysis executed the unplanned and unmitigated demands on schools libraries in the park systems and then finally the traffic parking and pedestrian issues while the revised proposal tried to address some of these it was definitely negligible it wasn't significant in nature the mediation I think it was mentioned that well it's over I believe that this process is actually still part of the mediation and that's why we never got anything from the special magistrate so there was no finding there was no summary there was no end to it so then it leads us to where we are right now uh the revised proposal only added 25 000 more square feet or excuse me five thousand more square feet for a total of 25 000 square feet additionally The Pedestrian features and traffic calming mechanisms are specific to only and I can't write that fast but you keep I'm so sorry good you're doing great I'm just going to take notes by yourself okay um uh and traffic calming mechanisms are they're only in one area they don't actually address all of the areas um what I like to call out and we'll we'll be brought up later on is uh the Walmart Jeep restrictions um earlier in the in the previous meetings it has been proven that no one wants to put it there that's what commissioner Starkey mentioned on January 11th the fact is for 14 years it remained undeveloped for five years it wasn't purchasable simply because if you look at the Walmart deed restrictions it restricts any uh office or retail from doing business that conflicts with Sam's Club so if you have businesses that can't sell tires or can't sell Cafe items or can't sell food or can't sell you know t-shirts and that kind of stuff it really aligns with the commissioner starkey's comment that the kind of commercial that goes into these kinds of buildings is really special it would have to be really special because Sam's Club covers pretty much all of this stuff lastly I want to refer to Tom lavish you don't have to read between the lines here he was very clear developers take risks it's part of this Balancing Act of ensuring in vertical mixed use that you can effectively cross subsidize uses that may be slightly weaker than use on a slight that may be stronger meaning whenever the developer gets his way builds his Apartments he

doesn't care if the entitlements underneath it stay vacant so if the businesses don't sell anything that's fine if they can't put anything in the bottom that's fine because the money that he's put in towards the uh Apartments will offset any of that type of necessity the loom confusion sorry about that the loom confusion um it was made that it was a precedent that we've done this time and time again before the past 15 it was mentioned 15 in the last meeting conversions not one had been disputed or denied whenever you look at the history of these and they are on the mpud document they are inside all the agenda packets it was conversion from a hotel to a hospital or a golf course to a walking trail there is never and please talk to your planning department there has never been a case where an mpud entitlement was changed from uh commercial or you know retail or office into multi-family and more specifically the numbers that were cited I'm running out of time 1726 is the absolute number but that number becomes 2046. so the math that he's talking about is inaccurate the 50 the 555 that are dedicated towards the South yes those are consumed but if you look at the mpud it's defined by South Region central region and Northern Region what he's cons what he's suggesting happen is give more entitlements than than what the mpud allowed whenever we talk about keep the history do the things that we've done in the past this isn't it if you have 555 entitlements that's what you stick with in the south in the north you can't take away from their entitlements you can't say Well they're 17 26 and I'm going to start pulling it away right so you got to look at the math and I'm sorry that I'm not the expert here I really wish that you'd you know be able to pull more from their planning staff where they can tell you what the truth is about these numbers because what's been conveyed is not accurate and um should be looked into so I'm sorry I wasn't able to go through the rest how was you went on for three minutes we did the timer was that three minutes or four minutes that was four that was your fourth yes but you got a lot in there's so much more and unfortunately well I think there's a whole whole bunch of people coming in so thank you thank you great job thank you professionally thank you I'm sorry I just wondered what you do professionally uh professionally I'm an I.T contractor for uh government projects okay okay so not in public speaking all right thank you [Music] thank you Mom I can't the writing um Lockwood I'm sorry oh it's Hannah oh now I can see no look it looks like an M let me see that yeah right here

sorry [Music] [Laughter] so my name is Hannah Lockwood my address is 3331 grassland place near the weather Chapel um I have been sworn thank you and if I could just have one moment who I don't know potato plants here I'm going to jump forward a little bit what I have is on my paper is slide 15 you start on yep that's where I'm going be sure to lift that mic up so that you're something I'm getting there all right so we're going to move on to the density um [Applause] that's good man I'm a little wing in here so um the maximum possible gross density is 24 dwelling units per acre um we have four apartment nearby apartments The Enclave has 312 units on four 3.4 Acres that's 7.2 units per acre um Montana Park as you can see has 264 units on 26.3 Acres that equals to about 10 units per acre kilometer Grand 318 units on 20 acres which equals to about 15.9 units per acre Windsor Club has 200 240 units on 14.7 Acres which equates to 16.3 units um on the S9 Cube parcel they're proposing 320 units on 10.6 Acres that equates to 30.2 units per acre at a 20.5 over density lemon as you've heard already this project does not fit on this parcel [Applause] on 10.66 Acres of um when they're trying to Crane in 320 Apartments plus the commercial space underneath as you've heard there's traffic concerns um the bill will win is only 4.45 Acres Pasco averages 2.54 people per household at 320 Apartments that's 813 people remember the board piecemeal rezoning of small Parcels of wind to a greater density leads to a disharmony with a surrounding area I would ask you to please deny this this um proposal it does not fit in this area we're not opposed to Apartments but in the places that aren't zone for it not on this parcel thank you uh I think you have a minute left though I'm not sure that's starting right you still have a minute we'll keep moving on the parking issue um I'll I'll use the show meet the parking requirements of the LDC at least charge two parking spaces for resolution units are required the 15 reduction is unwarranted in this proposal only 0.4 of Pasco residents commute by mass transit the number one selling vehicle is a Ford F-150 which is 20.4 feet the parking space is proposed as a standard is 9 by 20 feet which is 108 square feet total and compact is eight by 18 feet which is 144 square

feet the question is where does overflow parking go and where does the trash and trash truck go get that all right thank you thank you okay Alan Lou foreign so okay can you flip to the thank you next okay let's get started good afternoon Commissioners uh so all the all the concerns that the local residents has brought up in the original uh meeting was not either not address or not addressed properly during the new proposal so what's the new proposal sorry if you can see it calls out a pedestrian crosswalk right there because the main parking garage is designed right across the lot from where all the older apartment complex is majority of the residents gonna have to walk across this road go to the uh the parking garage so with the flashing light from with the flashing light for The Pedestrian safety now there's one of the unintended consequences is the traffic is going to be back flow into it's going to cause traffic delay it's going to backflow right into the Asian the Asian Oak Drive and then spell over back onto state road 56 therefore cost of a major traffic jam now also there's a second parking spot in the new proposal is right along the second main entrance main entry and exit road now from there there is no apologize technology there is no uh proposed there's no pedestrian safety proposing that second parking space right on the top so do we not care about those residents that's a walking cross um uh the second main road do we care about them less now once the traffic flow right past the apartment let's say they as indicated in the red arrow you see it flows right through into the Sam's Club parking lot go through the Sam's main entrance as indicated in the red arrow again I think I heard Miss Joel talking about there was no proposal at the moment because Samsung would not approve it until County approve it but there is no additional safety concern pedestrian safety concern build into this new uh build into this new proposal so we don't care about the Sam's pedestrian consumers either I guess at this point um so again last time I brought up once you passed Sam's Club there's a daycare right there if you're not local residents you don't know where that daycare is so let me show you a picture this is Sam's Club on the left turn 450 yards this is the daycare so my kids goes there there's um there's no additional safety precaution safety measure brought up in the new proposal so people cross this lab all the time trying to drop their kids during peak time how are they protected how is our kids protected so Mr Oakley I want to quote you in the original denial you said from the get-go that I have not been in support of this project I've always felt that the size of the project is too large for the site to me when you give up space for parking give up space

for Park then you're doing it because you just don't have land for the project so the land is too big I mean the Project's too big for the land and they're still asking for parking variation still asking for a park the park variations with just adding one specific Podiatry and safety right there and five thousands more square foot commercial space how is that make this a better fit of the pro of the site thank you very much thank you all right next up is Catherine Sierra hi I'm Kathy Sierra 26908 wingdam Drive Wesley Chapel Florida 33544 and I have been signed up thank you sworn in how do I get back to the original presentation she can change that they'll do it right here they'll do it right here they'll do it yep which page do you want um 22 release thank you yes thank you so much so I just want to continue talking to you guys about pedestrian safety and how it's been brought up that you know that this area is very walkable and bikeable um I've spoken many times here about how wrong this project is suited for the entrance of Seven Oaks I want to bring to your attention today about how this area is not walkable and bikeable as many people would like for you to believe I feel so strongly about this for two reasons uh the first reason is that I grew up in New York City and I can consider myself an expert in what's walkable and what's bikable I can tell you that Seven Oaks is definitely do not fit the definition of walkable and bikeable not even close um let me give you an a vision of how the entrance of Seven Oaks is laid out if you want to attempt to walk to a few stores instead of driving so I want to go to the stores at Wiregrass to do some shopping I would need to cross 10 lanes of traffic on Bruce B downs after shopping is done I need a few things at Publix it's just right across the street it's so walkable yeah that's just another 10 lanes of traffic that I need to cut across then after I'm done at Publix I need to pick up a prescription at CVS and again another 10 lanes of traffic then it's time to head home I know the eight Lanes of traffic to cross over State Road 56. that's a total of 38 Lanes of traffic just to go across to a few stores the second reason is that I'm experienced firsthand about how dangerous these intersections are I was hit by a car on my bike while trying to cross the street just in front of Publix I had the right of way but the driver on the car was not paying any attention to pedestrians because there are rarely any pedestrians walking around in that area thankfully my bike was destroyed and I did not suffer any major injuries um but the reason that there are two hospitals around there the only good that that will do is to bring all the people to the hospitals from being hit um

Also let's talk about mass transit growing up in New York City I understand how to utilize mass transit Seven Oaks being a hub of mass transit is absolutely laughable only point four percent of Pasco County residents take mass transit the existing bus stop in front of s19 does not even have a published schedule or stop on that Roots documentation and just one last thing before I'd like to deport just before a commissioner Fitzpatrick asked her yes vote for parcel s19 on January 11 2022. this is what she said per verbatim as long as there is a playground to accommodate the kids I'm fine with it commit sir Fitzpatrick there's never been a playground and they're still not a playground these children will be playing in Sam's Club parking lot thank you thanks all right next we have we have Shiraz Irani and uh who's after Sharon good afternoon Commissioners my name is Shiraz Irani I'm a Seven Oaks resident at 27435 Silver thatch drive and I have been sworn in um if I can just get to the slide that I wish to speak to you come here yeah wanting to get to 24 so bear with me I'll go back one I have I have slide 24. on the sticky note oh okay okay there are over half a million residents in Pasco but only 19 of them live and work in the same place the result is more demand for County Services Lower family incomes lower sales tax revenue less commercial tax generating land apartment impact fee addiction The s19 Proposal targets 133 000 plus households and generates developer profits yielding low-paying jobs and wastes 10.6 Acres of commercial land foreign demand in that business applications are up 22.5 percent commercial is up 40 year over year commercial land generates more Revenue per acre than to Apartments a community of Seven Oaks is the largest voting constituents in Pasco County commissioner Starkey you yourself with respect emphasized not wanting to give up commercial and industrial property which this parcel of land is zoned for Commissioners respectfully we ask you to listen to the residents of Seven Oaks your constituents take into concern our concerns about traffic coming in from 56 we're already struggling getting into our own Community we are struggling getting out of our own community and with uh this is just going to make it a lot worse we respectfully thank you for your time and we ask that you vote no here we are

who makes zoning decisions in this County your name address Patrick Mullen 27646 water Ash Drive and I have been sworn in thank you so the question is who makes zoning decisions in this County Commissioners or Walmart and that that is the great underlying issue here we're we're all familiar with zoning configurations uh that we all have to uphold and take into account so that we have upstanding Community that's growing and getting better but this particular particular proposal is an excellent example of spot zoning where you have a essentially creating a small island right there of property different than that of the surrounding properties solely for the benefit of a particular property owner that makes this a good reason for denial of The Proposal also contract zoning considerations sorry have to be near the mic contract selling considerations this is an agreement between a governmental body and a private landowner to rezone property for consideration this is the way we used to do business in Chicago not anymore this practice has long been disapproved in Florida and is grounds for denial of this proposal the D well yes the D from Walmart that's making the zoning question that it allows any quote any bank or financial institution and but it specifies that they retain the rights to everything below ground that they could go in in mind at any time it also speaks that there should be not less than 300 multi-family units next door essentially building another thousand customers for Sam's Club but it prohibits almost anything in the in the world of commercial or retail you can't be a discount store you can't build a gas station there you can't build a theater bowling alley smaller fitness center lockers or any combination of the foregoing it also prohibits adult bookstores video business activities gaming activities billiard parlors checking cash or selling marijuana The Proposal does however promise protection promises protection to the County Commissioners and staff whereby it will hold them harmless if you agree to their proposal and anyone challenges it they will promise to provide you with protection from any legal costs involved in protecting the decision to approve that provides a special benefit to the developer and then the Torpedoes they say that even if the challenge has not resolved they will operate under their own risk and proceed with their uh plan for s19 is it possible well let's go to this slide did stock development not realize it was commercial didn't ever ever wonder why it was never sold before uh did they know about the restrictions did svllc get bad advice bottom line when you buy a new car see how many of us read the fine print

someone did not read the fine print on the deed restrictions to this property which prohibits competition to Sam's Club and almost requires additional 1 000 customers so this is a reason to deny there are plenty of Alternatives sell it to a commercial developer donate it nullify go to Circuit Court and nullify the deed restrictions so you can build something worthwhile and build the excellent apartment [Music] um build a Seven Oaks Center here is that five and no he gets too much we do yes uh well this is from their Remy analysis it's 20K we still come out of the head using the existing use for the property using the sdlm benefits these simple development lawyer math benefits analysis it would still cost the county a million dollars more per year using their proposal than to go with the existing zone so so many inconsistencies it violates Community planning law contract planning laws s19 is the wrong place for the development you know the base these laws but it it does not obey the planning act the conclusion is the denial should remain undisturbed and just as you know commissioner Oakley said from the get-go I've been in the support of the project the land is not getting any bigger yes still choose the project is still too big for this piece of line or a piece of property and indeed commissioner Starkey you don't want to give out commercial or industrial industrial property for apartments development is a privilege not a right thank you you're very well hi uh we have now we have the attorney Chelsea Waller at eight months pregnant I will be back and I will try to be as brief as possible Chelsea Waller dother with Waller law I represent the Seven Oaks CDD address is 38038 Meridian Avenue Dade City Florida 33525 and I have been sworn I've also requested eight minutes which was approved eight minutes yep and then we'll have rebuttal all right we are here on the applicant's third bite of the Apple um and today it is the task of the Commissioners to determine whether the applicant's modification to this project now warrant approval so let's go through the main four modifications that were set forth in the County's memo for today the first that we talked about today is the good faith cooperation with Sam's Club um the applicant is only required to send two letters within 30 days notice and to request a response Sam's club is under no obligation to agree to this they have requested more documentation but they don't have any reason to do this if they want to say no then they can have the right to deny it um so I think it's I think it's important that this shouldn't be a factor in your decision to um to approve this this project um Additionally the safety of

pedestrians within the Sam's Club parking lot wasn't a voice concern um at the January hearing so again this should not even be considered in your decision today um to approve it the second is The Pedestrian safety and traffic and the concern was in the center aisle between the two buildings so the applicant has implemented a pedestrian safety and traffic calming feature on the Central Drive aisle commissioner Oakley was the one who did voice a concern as to the safety of that center aisle and but that was just one reason for part of your denial commissioner um quote which was stated previously but I think it's important to reiterate um commissioner Oakley stated from the get-go I have not been in support of this project I've always felt that the project was too large for the site to me when you give up spaces for parking and you give up spaces for a park then you're doing that because you don't have enough land to put this project on that's my opinion and he went on to further State I just don't understand the change in this project it was going to be better as a commercial project than a residential project from the get-go so that leads us into the third modification um the applicant states that they have reduced their parking variances note that they have not eliminated their request for parking variances um one of the changes is now they are not requiring a variance for surface parking stalls they will comply with the LDC minimum dimensions for that but they are still requesting a variance to 1.9 parking spaces per multi-family unit and they are not having to be they are not required to provide any additional parking for the retail office component to this project and I think that's important so again variances for parking still exist if this project is approved not to mention the variances from the park requirement [Music] the applicant should be required to put in 3.2 Acres of park for the size of this project however they're still requesting a variance to only one acre for 320 units on that project they're also requesting a variance from the multiple multiple Park requirement that would allow um to the use of smaller parks to equal the total Park and those minimum Parks have to be half acre and they're not able to comply with that either um setbacks this modification now doesn't require any interior minimum building setback requirements and the previous was 5 feet so again there are still several variances that still need to occur in order for this project to be able to quote unquote fit on this parcel so again it doesn't fit and it should be denied um and then the last major modification is the increased retail in office by 5 000 square feet um and this was the essentially the main

topic of the January hearing the property currently has entitlements of 86 000 square feet of commercial use and a lot of the discussion focused on the Remy model that was used by the county that had 60 000 square feet of commercial use instead of the appropriate number of 86 000 square feet and commissioner Mariano uh pointed this out as well um and I introduced the correct Remy model as an exhibit at the January hearing and so I would um ask to reconsider that exhibit um and as you may recall that Remy model showed that 86 000 square feet of commercial use generated more jobs than the applicant's proposal and commissioner Mariano commented then that we could bring jobs right here right in this community community that are first class do we want to give that up for 320 apartments and 25 000 square feet of commercial and the policies were policy Ed 1.4.4 um which outlines Pasco County shall recognize the high priority of retaining employment generated land uses and appropriate and compatible locations within the county and also policy Ed 1.6.2 County shall ensure that adequate land and transportation capacity is available for present and future high-paying employment generated land uses such as office industrial employment center uses so the question is does the addition of 5 000 square feet of commercial now put this project in compliance with those uh rules the answer is no we need jobs we need to maintain the 86 000 square feet of commercial entitlements that currently exist on this property um other items I'll briefly touch on that were discussed at the January hearing is compatibility Pasco County shall manage growth concurrent with the infrastructure necessary to protect maintain and enhance the Wesley Chapel community's unique character and um the beautiful presentation touched on the density and I had a spreadsheet at the last hearing that showed the density of the apartments within seven oaks and then the density outside of Seven Oaks and this particular project is double the density of any apartment within seven oaks and it's almost uh 2.3 times the density of any apartment complex within the area this is not in line with character Wesley Chapel this is in line with the character of South Tampa or Orlando uh where you see these type of projects this is not compatible with Wesley Chapel um it's not the board's job to decide whether parcel s19 should have an increased density it's a board's job to decide if this project is compatible and it is not um approving 32 units per acre will set a dangerous precedent and irreversible precedent in our County if this project is approved then every developer is going to come into our County demanding the same density and there goes the unique character of Pasco County we have all these people who've moved here to

Pasco County I moved back from South Tampa and we will eventually be just like that where residents are fleeing from and Pasco County residents do not want this type of growth let's be smart about our growth and this is not it so for those reasons and all the other others that have been discussed today into the January hearing I would request that it be denied thank you okay um now we have rebuttal and um I have questions but I have a lot yeah so I have a question okay so we want him to rebut first or do we want to ask questions I'm sorry I have two pages okay Joel 2 for the applicant thank you uh let me briefly address some of the technical points that Ms Waller just made first of all the reason there is a substantial change in the site plan and why it makes more sense now and is more safe is because of the mandatory structured parking the minute you go vertical with structured parking you therefore reduce the footprint you need for surface parking you can make these Drive aisles wider which is what we're doing and you solve the parking issue with vertical structured parking people don't do that because it is very very expensive you have begged people to do that and in fact you will not get bona fide Urban mixed-use projects without vertical parking that solves the site plan issues and that's why this is dramatically different it is not fair it is not fair to say we're still asking for a bunch of deviations we're not we eliminated every deviation we're asking for except for two items that technically are called deviations but your staff will tell you that the park requirement and the number of parking spaces is exactly the same thing that you've approved in the last two years for probably three or four dozen projects everyone I've had that has now become the norm your new Norm is 1.9 spaces per apartment ask Mr pitos that you approve it every meeting same thing for Park we're doing what your parks department told us we're required to do we're meeting their new standard requirement my guess is that in your next LDC update you'll now see these requirements not be deviations they will be your new code requirement and ask Mr petos that if you have any question okay so that's not accurate all of the parking spaces are now full-size parking spaces and yes our amenities will include a children's play area as Mr gelder has assured commissioner Fitzpatrick it will be done in conclusion this is the poster child for vertical mixed use infill project it is not supposed to look like a Suburban part of Seven Oaks or Wiregrass Ranch it is supposed to look like a vertical mixed use Enfield project it's supposed to look like West Chase Park it's supposed to look like Hyde Park or so it is the whole point of what you're trying to get people to do on us-9 and in the 19 and the 56 54 quarter is to create this walkable look if you don't have density it's not walkable the

lady from New York knows density because the reason New York's walkable is because it's dense the buildings are tall we are it is not a density issue the number of units per acre is irrelevant the MPD was approved based on a thousand or more Acres there are the density issue is that there are 1726 approved thank you less than half of them built every unit we're building there was a traffic study approved in that dri for 1726 multi-family units you're only going to have half that number so any density argument any traffic argument is entirely spurious this is consistent with your board policy do you remember 2020 when you adopted a board policy memorandum encouraging vertical mixed-use development in the 54-56 quarter your own is still in effect your 2020 policy memorandum your ordinance number 21-07 when you eliminated conditional use apartments in C2 zonings you made an exception and guess what your section was for vertical mixed use so if you do more vertical mixed use you can even do it as a conditional use in C2 you can do it in the 54 56 quarters so if you're going to be consistent with your written board policy over the last two years if you're going to be consistent with what you've told us to bring you in the form of development this is your proposal thank you I'm sure okay great well you Joe you were under your five minutes so how much time does how much time do they have left did he use his five minutes no did anyone else on your team want to use any of your time because no he did not use his five minutes hey Mike I'm here if he has more if he hasn't used his five minutes I'm gonna let I would rather spend the time addressing any questions that anyone might have okay I think you understand that project and I'm not going to waste your time okay all right so now we'll go to commissioner Moore and then commissioner Oakley so Terry Terry if you don't mind I'm gonna borrow you thank you all right Mr pizzas a question for you so um a couple questions just comments maybe you can chime in I'd appreciate it um last time the motion tonight which did pass um let me just go over that one portion of that of that motion was resulting request is inconsistent with the companies comprehensive plan policies flu 1.8.10 and Ed 1.6.2 the preservation of capacity for employment generating uses in Ed 1.4.4 limitation on the conversion of important employment locations because it is I disputed the request will reduce the employment generated time that's on the site and before the 60 000. um

it went down to uh forty thousand right twenty yeah yeah went down to 20. now we're looking at fifty five thousand to 25 000. correct is that I think I'm right right so before it was 60 the previous we reduced to 20 but now they've added 5 000 more square foot of retail commercial so it brings that up to 25 it takes the site it will be an estimated before the 55 000. okay yeah okay there you go so there you go 60 000. Mike is your mic turn on I don't know why yeah I don't know why it keeps going off because you know I never touched this thing so yeah okay so I'm correct right well it was 60 000 before yeah so the the previous running model analysis um was uh presuming the 60 000 square foot single-use commercial retail office right okay that was the that was the model analysis right so they were going to give 20 000 but now they're giving twenty five thousand uh now they're doing 25 yes okay so I'm right okay so we had 35. so you know so we're still in about the same situation as we were before we're only it's it's a change out of about five thousand additional square foot of of office but we're so we're still we're still um down to well 35 000 now correct right well I'm not sure what kind of I'm just using your numbers that you gave that yeah they're not the the analysis that was done if I remember correctly it's been 10 months um but the analysis was a comparison of the sixty thousand single user single use okay against what was being proposed in terms of the vertical integrated mixtures development so it was a 60 000 persons you got to speak up yeah my voice today um there was a comparison between the 60 000 single use of commercial office retail so it's six it was sixty thousand right okay versus 60 versus the vertical industry right so 60 minus 20 is 40. right right okay that was 40. now we're just adding five more thousands so it's down to 35 right well I know the answer I'm just asking if you know the answer yeah well I mean the thing that I mean let's come back to me the thing that I mentioned in my presentation was that we didn't do a third Revenue model analysis okay um because when by adding the additional 5 000 square feet uh it was an improvement and in addition to what was originally approved and if we were okay with the original 20 000 square feet because it rendered the negligible rub and your differences adding five thousand square feet would mean that we're still good with it okay well this is this is the rest of it you don't mind they don't if you don't mind it has to do it yeah exactly so so you just mentioned this did you or the applicant conduct any service

consumption cost analysis on the 25 000 square feet not a not not more than what we did for January's meeting so whatever analysis was done for January is what's on the record there was not another analysis done for this movie because from my motion last time if I'm not correct there wasn't one done at all on the on the other on the 20. because that wasn't disputed so if my motion was the resulting request is inconsistent with Comprehensive plan policy 1.8.7 economic developed because staff of the applicant have failed to conduct any service concept consumption a cost analysis verify our staff and the applicant have failed to demonstrate that the project will contribute more to the county of Revenue than we'll consume its services is that a requirement yeah which that's a requirement in the comprehensive plan correct right I'm sorry is that correct policy flu 187 is in the comments of plan of course yeah okay so all right I have more go ahead so um so the county so we made that directive to say if you're going to put what that's what kind of job with all respect okay Pasco County shall encourage development which will contribute more to the county and revenue than it will consume in Services provided that sex development can be accomplished within a spirit of this comprehensive plan that one so what we talked about back in January every call correctly it was that we're not looking for uh it's not a race to identify which is a a better user to the site based on the revenue generation but only that the land use is generating net revenue to the county so while you could have a use that generates a lot of Revenue and another use that doesn't generate as much revenue but still generating Revenue it was still meaning that lesser Revenue generator would still meet policy flu 187. okay so my question was going to be when we made this policy directive that if you're going to put residential or mixed use in a C2 you had to go vertical and I'm being consistent when I meet with people I've turned people down uh who want to come into apartments and not do that and I said no in my district I mean we're following this do we have a requirement of how much they have to put underneath or did we just say we want to be sure they have something underneath when we did our policy director um I think in terms of the C2 amendment that occurred there was no prescribed square footage amount required for let's say the ground floor of a vertically integrated mixed use building that would be built under Secret if the C2 however is in a calm

commercial future land use District than the first floor entirely would have to be non-residential use um not necessarily the case in an RoR for example future land use so um when we're when we're speaking specifically about the Land Development code amendment that that occurred there's there's no prescription to say that you must have you know 30 000 square feet or whatever of uh commercial entitlement on your first floor only to demonstrate that you have vertically integrated with commercial or other non-residential that's allowed by the C2 all right and Terry and I just had a meeting and that's the apart the person I don't remember the name of it that was continued where they came in with multi-family and a C2 no um part really they were putting other things besides retail commercial downstairs and we said no um that is not what this board has directed not only that they blocked a road but that was another thing but I mean we cannot in my opinion tell some developers one thing and tell another group another we're going to get in big trouble Madam chair can I continue on my question yeah thank you keep going um commissioner Moore if if I may yeah please go ahead let me so the section you put in the Land Development code says C2 multiple family dwelling units where a project we're at the proposed project complies with one or more of the following to vertically integrated mixed use paren ground floor commercial office or other residential use so there's no definition other than it's the ground floor and it's got to be commercial office or other other non-residential yeah that's why we all right thank you they had to go back to the drawing board so would the existing um if it was just retail or office would it have any additional demands on schools libraries or parks if it was stat as it is today if it was commercial in office there would not be a demand on Parks schools and birth the third one you mentioned can I ask a question on that Mike are we going first name basis on the diet should I stop saying sorry stop saying chair and say Catherine again you say bye I'll play with that I'll return the favor um so because I had this question for the attorney but we can have the planner answer it too because I wrote this down here um so this is part of the Seven Oaks CDD District um when and when the numbers or dri I'm sorry when the numbers were contemplated in the total dri it included 1726 multi-family units when and this

for some of the folks that are sitting here um when that dri goes through for approval are those units counted by the school district and frankly the parks department in their concurrency and and um I don't know what the right word is um capacity well typically when you um when you're reviewing an mpud because we don't do dris anymore but when you when you're reviewing mpud the total number of units that are being proposed are being looked at by the school district by the different agencies and and departments and they're making the necessary accommodations sometimes in a school site is required and that's set aside based on the potential population that the area will have I wasn't here at the time to have properly operated a dri per se but I believe that was also the the way in which dris were being handled yeah but I sat on the the local planning agency as when I was on the school board approving dris and and I've I've watched and Chris is what's his last name Williams you want to answer may I answer that based on testimony in the record yeah in the record Chris Williams who not only is a Planning Commission member on behalf of the school district but Mr Williams was asked this question in the on the record and he said two things he said number one that yes absolutely when they had the dri and the impud they input all the single family all the multi-family and of course they had planned on that for their needs and he said secondly that empirically as we stand now he does have existing capacity in the school system to serve these additional students so he actually confirmed both number one you of course look at those requirements you can't get your dri and your MPD approved without it I mean that's what I do for a living you can't get it approved but more importantly he testified on the record that they have current capacity for schools so that's another red hair Madam chairman yes except for this dri was approved in August 19th of 1986. his testimony in the record was that he had factored in the total impud density for Seven Oaks in their school needs analysis my only problem with what you just said the word is it was done in this dri it wouldn't have been done in this dri because of its age Mr Williams May in fact have said he's looked at it at current times yeah but this isn't this would be an invested deal his statement wasn't what okay however you get there his his testimony was that the impudid density the school district had factored in to their school needs for this area and that he had current capacity to meet this project all right historically you know I remember back in uh 2018 for example um this board voted down his request on 52. I think I remember that it was before

commissioner Fitzpatrick was here was actually a 3-2 vote um even dating back then I'm not gonna go through every vote we did I have every vote I've ever done on apartment complex it's pretty consistent on that 54 56 Corridor um what we had concerns even in that area along 52 where you're taking essentially again what was a job creating site and converting that to multi-family this isn't the only spot Laura knows if you if you if you watch the meetings and you pay attention I only say this every meeting practically um but you know we're the situation again like I've talked about before we're eventually going to run out of these job creating sites wherever you heard testimony from people um that came up here in Europe testimony from folks online today about the lack in that Wesley Chapel area the lack of office space for people to rent now um I have people that come to the area on a consistent basis you know and you know just like they'll reach out to a lot of people that are whether they're in government or Economic Development hey do you know of any place that we can rent two thousand or five thousand square foot it's hard to come by now right so for us to continue again continue to rezone these properties that can provide those jobs for the people that let's think about the people that are currently here in the county as well okay you know you want to drive more people here so if we go this was brought up earlier as well in the applicant mentioned about you know two apartment complexes I'm just going to expand it out um you know on a good golf day I could hit I think every one of those from that site with my driver there's already four apartment complexes there now what you probably don't know but it is public records so I'll bring it up because I do follow the the pre-op meetings of what's coming coming in front of us in the future now this probably won't fall on my shoulders but it will some of you um some folks mentioned the site in the rear of Seven Oaks which is already zoned for multi-family but this came up last time too um well guess what they're um there is there was actually a pre-app meeting uh and I just lost that I apologize um a pre-at meaning recently on that site and back of uh Seven Oaks that was done on April 26 2022. on eagleston Boulevard backed up to 75. so we talked about there's only so many apartments that are have been built or currently been built the entitlement's already there it's going to continue to happen that does not have to come in front of this board they're there that's going to be that's administrative 100 am I not right Terry the zoning's there the multi-family zonings there unless they try to deviate from what it currently is they'll just go through the process it won't come up here and they build tomorrow

yeah but um I don't know if they I don't think they uh mentioned hold on one sec here let me see what uh they I don't see that in the uh the meeting notes oh here it is 370. I got 370. is that part of the CDD District it is it's in the back so they are asking for 370 units of eagles and that's that site back that backs up to 75. it's the one where you saw probably tons of campaign signs um recently during during the election um that's that site so when we talk about so many units being available well some of that's going to come whether you like it or not it's going to happen I mean it's going to happen so they have the ability to do that let me just keep going with all those are those under 1720 still oh I don't I'm not doing those numbers right now I can pull out my calculator in a second but um but we talk about you know the need and the need in the area I know this was brought up by some folks um on the on the dice last time about this need we have four right there I mean clustered together you have another one to be built in the back I'm not going to go over on this I won't bore you too much but I'll give you an example of the quote need that's in the area this was done on a market analysis done on tonight The Enclave of Wesley Chapel 21 apartments available for media movement fonterra Park Apartments 12 units listed as available now mmaa formerly known as Colonial Grand I think that's the one that's behind the brewery if I'm not correct that's part of that actually Seven Oaks um 22 unit units two three bedroom units starting today is what they say on the website Windsor club which is right there just says now available one two and three bedroom units doesn't give a number Delano at Cypress Creek which is down the street 21 units available Park of Wesley Chapel eight and then seven or two bedrooms I'll just do a couple more six units available at the Horizon of Wiregrass Ranch Tapper sea is Cypress Creek advertising for a free month rent and more incentives because they need people to move in today land Tower at Cypress Creek um pop up on their website offering reduced rates of one bedrooms um about eight units available I think is what they show 15 units available at Terra Bella I could go on and on and on how much availability there is in that market right now so where's the need again is the need for more office a commercial or is the need for additional multi-family units that really don't benefit the citizens of Pasco County therefore we want to benefit the citizens of Pasco County we need to leave these leave these Parcels commercial or office and I'll I'll stop for a while before I go to the

next thing you can rest of them commissioner Oakley yeah um and the rebuttal and I think Joel 2 answered some of the questions I had about the parking issue before on this project when we first looked at it was asking forgiveness on on parking spaces they've gone vertical so they've got more spaces and therefore that so they're going to ask him for forgiveness they're going to provide a playground for the kids they also have a dog park in this property the one of the big concerns I had was safety on this property because that road going in between the two buildings on this property and they have addressed that I also believe in my own mind that Walmart is for safety to their pedestrians and people traveling in between this project and and their stores to do business and I would think they would would be welcoming anything to make it safer for their pedestrians coming into their stores so uh it's a better fit on the site than it was Prior I had I had questions um and Joel if you could stand up there with them you can both answer these together and I almost I almost have a question for your client because they are the well let me first ask the clients a question if you don't mind this is most of you met him Keith gelder who's in charge of their multi-family division for stock development in Naples they're the number and first I want to say I hope that um knowing that you guys are from Naples condolences to probably some crazy stuff that you went through and I hope you and your family and your company's families are all okay thank you um if I is this your first apartment complex that you're building no ma'am oh sorry Keith Gilder stocked film the applicant I have not yet been sore [Music] different notes for different things do you swear from the testimony you're about to give is it the truth so help you God I do thank you thank you no we've built several projects we've completed over a thousand units so four to six projects we've completed today we're actively under construction right um so would you build an apartment complex that wouldn't be needed because that's a business question I guess yeah no absolutely not no we um do a lot of study and market research for our properties um take great care and select them what we believe um are great sites that are demand and be good fit for multi-family properties all right that was kind of my main question when he was when commissioner Moore was citing those numbers just because we've been going through and learning a lot about apartment complexes um to have a 300 400 unit apartment complex and have 20 units available that's I

think that's people moving in people moving out kind of a someone would say that's full I think I'm not an apartment person but is that yeah typically I mean uh you know stabilize occupancies typically around 93 is what most market research firms um would uh will consider fully stabilized so yeah typically you know when your lease is renewed and you know give units at that turnover so it's not realistic to be at 100 occupancy on any property okay although I I have people calling me asking me to help them get on the apartments that my brother-in-law built in downtown New Port Richey um okay I think that's all I have for you but I just knew you were an apartment Builder yeah cross-examine but but um if you remember and this has come up because this was actually used I'm not gonna I don't want to quote you because I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure in the past you know meaning somebody on this dice did mention that there were waiting lists for a lot of the apartment complexes point I'm I'm trying to prove here is that there's not the waiting list anymore guys times have changed it depends on the area yeah I just okay well I will give you this yeah I agree the area so in that area on 54 and 56 and then you go down to Bruce B downs and you go on Wesley Chapel Boulevard you'll see what the availability is so you're correct it depends on the area because there may be a spot on US 19 which is 35 miles away um that might have a lot of vacancy right now well I'm just giving you these are real numbers they're not fake you can go on the website yourself I'll leave it here for everybody in the view at a later date my guess is that um uh when these kind of developers are looking at an area they look to see what's coming and we have hundreds of thousands of jobs coming and they got to live somewhere and if you try and rent a house right now good luck so we do not have the housing capacity for all the jobs that are coming but listen I I I don't want to see our apartment complex on every block I I and I wish we had more variety coming in I mean I I've said it here before we every single development that we're seeing is 40 foot locks which I don't like either I think we need a variety I think we need multi-family we need Town Homes we need garden homes we need I'd like to see one acre lots I know that's sprawl so I don't want to see a lot of them Terry but you know half acre lots or you know Res three res four and I I think we did a good thing asking people when they come in to do 40 50s and 60s maybe and you can't only do 40s we just need a little more variety and you know when I look at your neighborhood which is a gorgeous neighborhood and I look at some neighborhoods in Starkey Ranch in the

back um I I've had people of High income well I'm going down rap gel here but I have high income um net worth that want to move to our County because I think we've done an amazing job and and this is kind of a call out to your developers we need some more housing for those people Workforce housing very much we need Workforce housing too inclusionary housing yes now these apartments are not Workforce housing I'm gonna guess you're at 60. I don't know what what did your minimum rents can be it's not Workforce housing but it is solving a problem uh so here are some of the questions I have okay so someone the gentleman that did a great job that kicked off this presentation said it's it's a master plan modification not a rezoning did we do something wrong did we do it right what's what's going on I don't care who answers it that's my question because he's the one that I just want to make sure we didn't um David can answer it I can tell it what I applied for who's your question for my application are we doing something wrong here today because I don't I don't know and if someone brought did some research and thinks we do I want an answer it is a substantial zoning Amendment so you're not doing anything wrong you're hearing this the proper way okay I don't want to get offending The Zone um then um let's see here on that Flume thing and I think this is oh Loom not Flume Bloom's that thing that you said no do we do we have we do have a flu future land use something yeah we have a lot of acronyms and there's no more room up here to fit anything more in here on the loom and this is the first project that I've really heard the loom though I know you've used it and now at the um project on 52. um have we ever I mean usually it's done administratively and someone said there were 16 in here in this area yeah have we approved these in other places too so a land use equivalency Matrix is set up so that you can make land use exchanges and have we done that in other dris and CDD tests and developments and puds yes if they have them yeah if they're set up they're built into the original approval that there is a land use equivalency Matrix that can be used okay have we denied one to you if the math is correct then no we have nothing okay let me clarify so he's correct but in some of the more recent mpds we've approved we don't allow certain conversions so some of them are now this is an older one but in some of the more recent mpds we don't allow people to convert non-residential uses to residential uses

because of the economic impact so so in the original approval of some of these recent mpds we're not allowing this type of conversion but this is an old this is an older dri though that doesn't have that prohibition the reason it's before you though isn't because it's prohibited it's because they're changing the zoning map right but and we made a policy that said if you're going to change it no we will allow it if you put retail below or whatever what he said retail office that was a change to the C2 zoning district with this this is not a C2 zoning District this is an mpud okay and Madam chair discussing this I think this might help they have converted multi-family to Commercial and multi-family to Medical within this dri but now that they're trying to convert the commercial to the multi-family now it's in a question is that correct I'm sorry was there a commercial that was converted multi-family has been converted to multi-family and Commercial has a multi-family has also been converted to Medical it was it ALS it's an Alf nursing home that oh yes we've gone one way in Seven Oaks yes okay all right um let's see here um density Okay so um I sent you I sent you a couple pictures Mike if you could put those up and this kind of goes to the people in the community I live on the West Side um and uh I think of a community that I drive through every day Starkey Ranch and um I will tell you that there is a beautiful not as beautiful as the one they're going to build um apartment complex that my daughter was renting a place from and Terry our planning director was running a place from right at the entrance of the subdivision which is one of the number one master plan communities in the United States so it's right out front right next to our Publix it's right there um you can see it right there um and then you've got republics and all that stuff right across the street so it's right at the entrance to Starkey Ranch and then I know down the street where our former County Administrator lived in Asturias also right at the entrance to the subdivision Apartments I think when you find when you look at new master plan communities that's typically where you're going to find them and I don't know why some of you say there's land inside Seven Oaks I don't know why you'd want that in the middle so that all I looked at it and S and um there's lots on the inside and S and something something that could be multi-family if it wanted to be because I think that was part of this

Loom conversation and and I don't know why you'd want those inside and not on the outside and not driving through everything so for me I I I'm just not incredible for me to think that this apartment complex is going to ruin your your property values because you can just start looking up Starkey Ranch and they're through the roof and and they've got them there and they're going to have them on the other end and they're going to have across the street now I agree with commissioner Moore we can't overdo it and we have to be careful and I think we're being we really got to be careful with our C2 but this is this is this is a commercial area that has had nothing on it and and is restricted and and the Bartolo family who would think some of us know they've been trying to sell this it's them right that had this lot not this year and so um I I actually had a two conversations with one of your residents who's against this property and he told me he was sick 15 years in commercial um real estate and considers himself someone an expert and he tells me that the parcels here the re the commercial Apostles are not doing well and that no one goes to the Sam's Club that's what he told me no one goes to the Sam's Club what oh my God I don't know that's what he told me people drive from Dade City you go to the same stuff you go you try to get I heard that about your Costco there was a no Costco's even close to that I'm just telling you what you're I'm not gonna say his name so I'm lying around I'm not going to say your name I was going to tell you what he told me yeah I'd invite anyone to go there so anyway I just want to kind of tell you why I was for it before and I I'm still for it now um and I appreciate that you've improved it I think that safety for the pedestrians is important um and um can I ask a few questions well I think commissioner Fitzpatrick was thank you so you can go consumerian I do agree I haven't had once in the round yet I know but she is you should hit each one of us once and then go back to the other that I haven't said a word yet I was going like this parking approve from school district member is on board at the Planning Commission I do agree with commissioner Oakley and as well um speaking in the past they have brought up they do consider Apartments at 95 um capacity as full so 95 of 100 would leave five additional Apartments so if there are 400 then yes you're gonna have 20 extra apartments and that would be considered full occupancy um I do think we are still in a housing crisis right now we do need to make sure we have affordability and affordable housing for our current citizens that live here already and even our citizens today are having trouble finding housing

whether their lease agreement is up or whatever the case may be we have our own citizens trying to find living an apartment living in people that make decent money living in hotels because there's no housing units or apartments for them to move into so I think it's really important that we make sure we do have housing for our citizens thank you commissioner Mariana thank you can you go to slide 24. of which presentation of the presentation from the citizens bedroom that's the one okay okay I want you to look at that slide I want you to consider something 18 years ago when I first ran for County Commission we were known as a bedroom community we didn't have enough jobs everybody had to commute at that time as well I will tell you Wesley Chapel was buried with traffic all the way through we had all sorts of issues out there go look at Pasco County to the top of the map we are other than Citrus County we have the least amount of people that work and live in the same city county okay look at that number we just had a presentation from David angle telling us through Tampa Regional planning Council plus his own presentations telling us how though we've created a lot of jobs we're way behind where we need to be way behind we need more jobs here the space that we have that's good commercial we should be focusing on this parcel frankly should be Class A office period we don't need any mixed I've got all the mixtures Seven Oaks is probably the best community ever built in Pasco County maybe the world as far as I'm concerned the way it's set up I mean before mudroom came in they were doing it they were keeping the jobs uh their trips confined into the community so less traffic would go up and around everything still got built around it because you have gated communities in a modern room project it's I'm just saying what they do is they keep they've kept their retail in the commercial support in there where people don't always drive up I mean you've got many major many well-off people there have picked up for a place to live when you look at that number that we're there we should be going against that and this is a classic example of why not to switch Again David Engel showed us we are very we're doing great creating jobs but with the people that are moving in we're not keeping up we're gonna we gotta make a move on that um if you want to look at vertical infill mixed use Terry let me ask you a question why knowing and let me just talk about Sam's Club in a minute right now Sam's Club is so busy I used to go get gas there all the time I stopped going in Wesley Chapel in West well if I'm in the area I would I would go there I mean 15 20 cents less a gallon I'll go into Sam's Club and we shop there as well it is so busy in there I don't go in there anymore you

can't get in you can't get up you drive up to the parking area it's jam-packed you can't get out and as they say you got all those Lanes of traffic getting around it's a major product getting in and getting out so you didn't try it before you make the comments or rely on other people it's packed as the people have said live there um Terry on the development is there anything set up between has this the slideshow said between North South and Central as far as how they spaced out where the apartments were going to go is there any relevance to that I'm not sure I'm following the question on one of the slides one of the slides that talked about how those apartments was designated the north south and central part of this massive development is very truth to that okay yeah there are Parcels at the Northern end of Seven Oaks that were identified for as either a primary or an alternate use for multi-family um and I think there was towards the the middle area along the Bruce B Downs Edge where there was a similar setup for either primary or alternate multi-family uses on those Parcels so it was structured North South Central and in the South too I believe uh my memory it's kind of but I think it was a parcel S18 which was just to the north that previously had the the multi-family as alternate use but which went office my main question is about the spacing of the apartments in the complex did they do North South and Central when they set the dri up it appears so yes okay so this is going to actually affect that the other way you're going to put more now down to the South well as I mentioned the S18 which is just to the north of s19 it had the multi-family entitlement on it but that that went office developed his office it's an international so it doesn't really matter yeah so the multi-family that was at the South Edge was was reduced because of because S18 went to office sorry so it doesn't matter that no it doesn't matter if I may that's a great point they had multi-family designated to the south end our adjacent parcel north of us was converted from multi-family to office so you got your office in that area and US putting that back on s19 is entirely consistent with that original plan I mean that's a great Point what we're doing is entirely consistent with that because we lost the multi-family on the southern perimeter and it became office already so you already have the office that was contemplated in that area thank you so we've done a good job creating more office than switching on apartments why we want to go backwards when we're still at a shortage of jobs um vertical infill right now you've got like you're limiting or you're not making them do the full amount of parking spaces

normally required why would you do that well the mpud has the condition in there that allows for a parking ratio of 1.9 spaces per unit I believe and that is that that is the typical parking requirements that we approve in mpuds it is a variation from the code so it is the code you'll understand that we set yeah well right the code and I'd like to just speak with my that we have set up and you're you're letting it go down you're are you accounting for the retail that's coming down below and making them do the appropriate parking spots you would on a normal development that's what I was about to ask too so I was curious well I haven't looked at the exact site plans but yes I would say yes we are accounting because if you're providing for 25 000 square feet you have to apply the appropriate uh commercial parking so they're going to do they're going to meet the normal standard yeah and if I recall from from from the January version when the parking deck was initially uh proposed as part of the initial vertical integrated mixed-use Building Concept there was a portion of the parking deck that was specifically designated to serve for commercial parking purposes okay now as far as the density was talked about the density this was like they say double the density of what's in the Seven Oaks already relative to the other apartments um I'm not sure about the double the density of Seven Oaks the typical apartment complex that comes in is about 250 to 350 units so this is typical but I'm talking about what's in in Seven Oaks right now what's what's compatible to it is this more dense I would say that this is a well if I can finish my statement and then I'll I can answer that so this this comes in at about 320 multi-family units which is pretty much in that range but on 10.6 Acres which increases the the density number on the site so at 10.6 Acres I think it's something like I'm not great math about the 30 or so dwelling units breaker so it's much more depth than what you've got in that sense yeah so you're going to change the complex of how this neighborhood goes um as far as like not being able to sell the property as commissioner Starkey had mentioned we saw the situation before and the target fees over by 41 where it diverges off where Target had all these conditions put in that made it hard for us to go cells we had to put more apartments in down there all right and that didn't have any Apartments so it was the first going for that they have limited themselves as far as the retail when they bought the property whoever bought the property they should have known what those conditions were

what was going on to it don't buy everywhere I believe it is and again this is not affordable housing this is this is high-end housing um I mean I just think that this County needs more jobs we're taking away Prime real estate for jobs I'm very comfortable with all the reasons we had for denial from before um I think we should be dying again history um did you want to say something okay um as I have talking about the loom with the land use equivalency Matrix and that kind of made their case stronger basically stating that they did convert the multi-family to office and now they want to convert this back to multi-family I'm not okay with making an agreement whether it was from 1986 or not that this is what they were allotted but now we're going to take away what they were allotted in their original dri agreement who's that the dri is there a dri there still what was that is that still within a dra are you still within a dri yes okay so I have a question um so on the parking numbers and um to commissioner Mariano's question I know Terry when I have you in every meeting that I can get you it's probably 95 when I meet with Developers to try and make each project be the best it can be and we we we go over a lot of things and parking is one of them and um I think one of the consistent things we talked about in my meetings especially with multi-family is that we our parking requirements are too um big and I asked them to reduce the parking requirements and what and I think you're working on reducing that ratio what are we going to go to what well we yes we are working on revising our parking standards in the Land Development code is a project of opportunity for fiscal year 23 that the Planning Development Department is pursuing because we have a pretty long track record of reducing requirements to certain ratios like this 1.9 we're talking about today yeah I don't know where the ultimate ratio is going to land although you could reasonably anticipate somewhere in the neighborhood of 1.9 um but the parking study is going to be undertaken over the next couple of months we should be probably by May ish complete with uh a draft of what of what those will look like once we've studied all the numbers sure my daughters were living in Orlando they had a three-bedroom place they had two parking spots they had another one you could actually go try to find if you went down because their limits were lower than ours Isaac is a super dangerous move I won't

support lowering it down to the 1.9 because 2.25 is a good number if we're the highest of that so be it it's better to have too much parking than too little because you have too little parking what you're going to have is that tow truck driver that was here but I wanted to have the most spots he's gonna be Towing those spots out of the Sam's parking lot because people can park in there that's right you're going to create a mess five is a good number we've been approving way too many in my opinion and um there are some developments and some projects that don't have enough I will tell you the new Mitchell Ranch Plaza and whatever it's called across the street where the Sprouts is there's not enough parking in there but the one across the street with the target there's never anybody but homeless people on the one in the parking lot over by 19. um but I have a next another question for you and then I'm going to call call for the vote and this is kind of to all of us and and I understand that it's a beautiful community and commissioner Moore I know it's your community well no no no I don't talk about listen this is ridiculous well okay I'll take that you know because I don't talk about where you live a little mile and a half away from there so this community is bigger than the city of Port Richey it doesn't matter where I live so um I don't know when Jesus when we think that it's not a good place to put multi-family next to all those offices and that those people can just walk or ride their bike right to work there are hundreds of offices right next to it and then we have a Sam's Club next door I mean it's we just approved Apartments next to a Target and I mean I don't know why that's not when they had if this were coming in today that's where they would have been that is where they put them in a mix in a mpd's uh they put them out in the front like that next to jobs that are all around it so you know I think we have to be consistent I think we have to be careful um because we we can and will get sued when we're not consistent I'm sure yep and then we're gonna I'm gonna I I just want to bring something to you years ago we had all sorts of trouble with traffic in Wesley Chapel and commissioner you've heard him talk about trying to go from Seven Oaks up to the Groves 45 minute drive you were just with me in Miami when we had to go three miles and it took us 45 minutes by the bus right these people don't want that congestion we just spent thank you commissioner for bringing it up we just put it we're just finishing up the diverging diamond try driving up from 56 from down south of Tampa up 75 and taking a right turn right now that that's in place it's Improvement why do we spend all this money making these improvements and we're just going to go throw more density we need more jobs so so the

development word the world there are entitlements and this project has entitlements and we and so I know that it it's a hurdle that they have to get through to come through us but I feel that that we could be in trouble and I'm looking at the traffic right now and for some reason commercial Moore I don't know the the red is coming out of ancient Oaks um but there's people at Sam's Club they don't go to Sam's Club there's no there's no orange or red going into Sam's Club or into ancient Oak so I don't know what the story is there but um part of that traffic issue that I think will get helped over on that side is um our delay in Wesley Chapel Boulevard widening that and um thank you I have that and I looked at I looked at this it was a great presentation and um the overpass interchange I think all of that will help relieve the traffic here but I would go back to my Mantra that I said to this board before if you're concerned about traffic issues you got to have connectivity and and every time we vote to close the road and not have things connect everyone has to get out on these roads and I and you know that's why I care with the traffic I'm gonna take a motion here you had mentioned that there was a traffic study and it's going to be more congestion with these Apartments but isn't there a traffic study comparison that says if they have this amount of office space it's going to cause this amount of traffic and with this project it's going to cause this amount I thought we were not allowed to put any additional traffic onto the roads then what it is originally zoned for as well so they are not creating any additional traffic congestion whether it was for businesses or for the multi-family in addition how much are the mobility fees coming in and can't we utilize or can't we state that those Mobility fees have to be utilized in that specific area to make specific improvements in that area you're asking staff or the applicant so you're correct that the loom request when they convert they're converting commercial entitlements to residential that has to be trip neutral okay so same trips so they're not generating additional capacity trips but they could create additional access related concerns but from a capacity standpoint it has to be neutral okay so thank you answer your question and commissioner more thanks and then commissioner Oakley no he he had asked I know um since since um you know you did mention about you know where people live and things like that I'm gonna I wasn't gonna do this but I'm gonna do it so so if you look at votes I mean 2018 there was a 3-2 vote to deny that

project we talked about on 52. it held up nobody came back and killed nobody sued October 22nd 2019 I voted to deny the Aiken MPD for the same for similar reasons again the commercial the job the job loss on that site 2021 Hay Road same situation I'd have voted to deny that that was Industrial 2021 4-1 vote Yes I was the only nay but a similar situation 15th MPD rezone 4-1 on that one additional use North Bruce McDonalds that was a 3-2 actually um similar situation that was commercial there was concerns about that January 11th went back to Hayden Road again I voted to deny that I'm not going to go over them and I can keep I can keep going but you know bottom line is I'm ready for a vote here but here's what I'm not going to do well I obviously I know commissioner Fitzpatrick's for it I know you're for it are you voting for it yes you're voting for it okay so I'm not going to make a motion to deny because I'm not going to give anybody the satisfaction of being a 3-2 vote because it sounds like commissioner I already said he's going to vote with it so I'm not gonna make the most denial let one of you guys make the motion improved on that can I can I make us I don't want to make a statement to cover what you were talking about before uh the fact of it is is if you'll reach out to David Engel you'll find out that we got more jobs coming here in the near future coming to 52 and some other areas in our County and we do not have the right housing in our County to be able to keep our employees or workers in our accounting but the growth is coming Pasco Town Center the project over on the north side of 52 and there's many more right if you go right out past Bellamy in that area too they are coming with those jobs and we don't have the housing enough you'd think we got too much housing now but the fact of it is we don't have enough housing to house these workers that we need to be working in our County and that's the best for our economy and with that I will move for approval second more discussion please under discussion under the discussion as far as David England's report even with all the jobs when he was here we still don't have an enough jobs to keep up okay this is Prime real estate for just creating jobs right where it's located right we've got people driving down the tip all the time we should be trying to put a shift back the other way so you want more traffic I want to finish because that's what I want to no I want to finish I want more jobs so people don't have to drive down there they can stay right every little work and play in the wrong place like this chart right here shows you we're at the bottom of the list so the jobs we are creating are great the stuff that's going on with the uh the employee the other the other housing we have going on is great you get a development's already here jammed with

traffic everywhere the whole developments Jam Sam's Club you can't even get in so all that said with David Engel Etc that's a big thing I want to tell you this in commissioner you actually covered it I think pretty well but we're in a situation of this Matrix they put us in this position to make this decision just because someone comes before us as commissioner says we don't have to approve them we don't have to accept it we don't our attorney which I sent to you guys a copy of the reasons for the resolution denying the amputee zoning Amendment request for the property described and resorting petition 7507 I sent you that after talking to David the conditions we had for denial are still appropriate they would still hold up in his opinion correct David correct me if I'm wrong there might need to be some minor modifications to some of the facts because some of the facts have changed but in general I would say yes if the board wanted to deny it uh so don't be in the position and commissioner Fitzpatrick think about this these people in Wesley Chapel are a huge block of people okay I don't know if you've looked at the results of your actions you've had before from things here but I'm telling you these people here are very in tune to what's going on they're going to look at what's going on they're looking at these things they're here they're I mean the presentation they put on is phenomenal these people here don't want it they've seen it and I think it's so important that you think about this because this is going to affect this neighborhood for a long long time you'll never get it back gotta get going so um all in favor of the motion signify by saying aye aye opposed okay and we aren't adjourned oh no commissioner items nope so Madam just one follow-up David can you come up real quick because I know this question is going to be this question is going to be asked David yeah okay can the clerk confirm that it was a 3-2 vote for approval of the motion before we get this question yes yeah yes yes okay thank you what was your question because I'd rather you have it on the dice in case I get asked this question I'd rather be in the public um the attorney or the CDD since they um Miss Waller is the um Tony for the CBD they still have the ability to appeal just like they did do they not third parties do have the right to appeal yes in fact the conditions of approval contemplate that there could be an appeal because they require the applicant to defend and indemnify the county if that occur how long do they have to file the appeal generally 30 days so they have they have 30 days to file the appeal but it's from the date that the resolution is rendered which has come back between the chair files it

with the clerk so okay that would probably be today since it was an approved right so they have 30 days to have this is just a general question somebody would have the opposing side would have 30 days to appeal okay to submit the appeal so if it was on day 29 whatever they submitted it and then how long do they how typically how long would it take for that to come back for that appeal of hearing oh that's right okay so there's two forms of Challenge and I don't want to get in too much in details there's a certiorari type challenge which is an appeal there's also a what's called a 163 3215 challenge which is challenging the approval as being inconsistent with a comp plan one of them is a de novo proceeding that goes to court like a trial the other is an appellate proceeding so those have different time frames but I would say that the chances of either one of those being resolved in less than a year is Slim okay I'd say on average it's about a year yeah this is a year or more digital question if somebody you know in case it doesn't I'd say it's probably a year or more for both for both of those proceedings it's probably a year or more before you hear back from the court gotcha all right answer my question thanks um so we are not we are still under um commissioner miscellaneous sorry um I just took care of my issue Jack do you have any items on the commissioner I'm going to do mine next meeting but I would like to know some time of the three two meetings in a row and I'm not giving them I know I didn't do my math it's okay but I just I want an extra time so commissioner I mean uh not commissioner administrator karbala now just real quick I wanted to thank the team publicly as well as our constitutional partners for the response during Hurricane Ian and that we've sent several team members down south to help out in Lee County and we've also successfully transitioned to jail on October 1st there's still a few little minor items that are coming up but the team did a phenomenal job with that across the board so thank you madam chair yep go ahead if I could just show those pictures for down in Fort Myers picture I just want you I just want you to say I went down there yesterday my rotary club did a all the districts oh yeah 69.50 went down from Citrus all the way to Palm Harbor went down there four truckloads and a Trailer Load going through oh wow this is a picture of a house in the channel the little Greenhouse out there past that little marker that's a house this could have been us this could have been us take a look at the next question that's look at the destruction this is across the Waterway now from where the island is that's inland more destruction is it raining commissioner Mariana yes it's starting to rain

that's Troy Stevenson right there uh good keep going see that marker right there there's a car underneath it they've got a mark where the covers before they can get the car out and floated into the water go ahead uh you see there's a boat upside down in its Cavern there good is it and this is Fort Myers Beach more destruction along the way my son was lucky keep going uh you know the other one all right I'll show more pictures next week okay literally down in the street you can actually tell them it's almost like snow piles on the side of the road with dirt yeah that's gone through it uh Fort Myers area with huge Yachts boats piled up on shore it was and I'll tell you what our yeah our sheriff's deputies were down there what a phenomenal job they were doing conditions we're working on we'll talk about that um fired for our team here they were down there and um the work they're doing and the conditions like you saw the rain did you have there's like 20 even protecting the island people coming in checkpoints coming in and out protecting it and in the rain under just tarps you know doing their work they're sleeping under bleachers down there you know when we said mandatory situations um we absolutely did the right thing oh we did no we did we thought that was coming here yeah I um I told my neighbors don't stay here and I had so many uh neighbors who were still gonna stay yeah and I said your house is going to be to your roof Rafters in your roof and they were uh still gonna and I I hope this is a lesson for those who are going to stay home in zone age you know I said this before but Kurt Browning when we first had our first stakeholder meeting I thought he was tremendous when he said right away I'll make the schools available so that people in the a b or c with their pets could make it there it gave us the freedom to go mandatory and all the way through yeah so I think we've learned a lot from what I saw with this those base flood elevations phenomenal idea St Pete actually goes like three feet high from the base we're like a foot higher so they're doing some things that are great and I think the lessons learned from that is if we do have something like this come on when we Evacuate the a-zone we shut off the water the sewer the lights and get them all out that makes them get out that and then then yeah then you come back we'll talk about later on but I'm telling you I was so impacted by what I saw but if you saw the 60 Minutes piece on the hurricane and you saw Sid kitson speaking from Babcock Ranch you saw it and I asked Katie to send you all this email they didn't lose power they didn't lose uh they might have lost a branch they have the biggest solar field in the State of Florida with Florida uh Power

and Light they didn't lose one solar panel and you know why they didn't lose any electricity everything's Underground and in the in the in the in this article that was in the paper um uh Tico is putting their lines their important lines underground and I just think in Pasco County we should be I mean we've had this great opportunity to have our lines go underground and have our people not lose power but we don't require it should and I think we should I think we need to talk about it um because I mean people died because they didn't have electricity so this in Miami after Andrew because my brother went through Andrew all the lines are underground and they don't have this issue so I hope that we can have that that conversation too um no one else has any commissioner items I just want to thank our staff for coming out for the community cleanup in um in the holiday area we've got 36 tons of trash out of the out of one of this stuff in that area um and um I I did want to mention that at my last fact conference uh I had this they were having this conversation and I said you know I don't think we've done that I don't think we've done one septic conversion in Pasco County and none of the other counties could believe it and when we're a county that has three rivers going through it and flooding everywhere and we haven't done one septic to sue our conversion when there's Federal money and state money or not getting the jump then and see if you're not getting the job done and supines is okay to do it they approved like the project well we there's money out there yep and I asked the administrator to go find out how other places are doing it because they're using Federal money and they're using grants and we should be doing it too so um I'll go over some other fact stuff later Colleen's on it okay someone like that turn [Music] foreign [Music] Pasco County waterways and Wildlife depend on you to keep them healthy excess fertilizer grass clippings trash oils and pet waste wash into gutters and storm drains when it rains stormwater carries these pollutants directly into our lakes and rivers creating an unhealthy environment for fish waterfowl and other Aquatic animals storm drains are meant for clean rain water most other discharges are illegal if you suspect an illicit discharge please contact Pasco County Department of Public Works at 727-834-3611 [Music] do you like having fun and staying fish do you like to be creative [Music] do you like being part of your community [Music]