9.20.2022 Pasco Board of County Commissioners Meeting (Afternoon Session)

thank you um what's this Mr it may we have a echo on our laptop so yeah can you mute them I can't remember your name Craig okay Craig it's this one Let's test all right any echoes in yours guys I need to do this next button control F1 check check no it's still on so we have an I.T problem this morning no this is still doing that's trying to do a shortcut yeah I think that one let me hear I think we're this one's good okay we'll give this a try um well now uh call back to order the Pasco County Board of County Commission meeting of September 20th 2022. please silence all electronic devices what's this we have one more all electronic devices and mute your microphone we're going to proceed with public hearing starting with ordinance p107 item p107 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on September 4th 2022. okay Joe good afternoon Joe Richards County Attorney's Office we're here to adopt an ordinance by the Pasco County Board of County Commissioners creating a new section to chapter 90 of the Pasco County code section 90-2 establishing requirements for the proper disposal of pet waste providing for applicability providing for a repealer providing for severability providing for inclusion in the code and providing an effective date the county committed to do this ordinance when it approved the Basin management action plan for the Weeki Wachee watershed it's an effort to help reduce the nutrients introduced to the Watershed it requires people to pick up after their pets when they're on public property right away from other people's property it doesn't affect activities on your own property and it doesn't affect agricultural activities and we asked the board to adopt the ordinance after public comment you know if I if I thought about it I would have asked you to add cigarette butts of those collected in public places um okay this is board members any questions on this ordinance this is a public hearing would anyone like to speak to the board about p107 I'll take a motion line one line there's no one online for this item rule second it's a roll call vote district one commissioner Oakley aye District Two commissioner Moore aye District 4 commissioner Fitzpatrick aye District Five commissioner Mariano aye District three chairman Starkey hi thank you we will now move on to p108 do I need to say that motion that motion passed p108

item p108 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on August 3rd 2022. good morning good afternoon Denise good afternoon Madam chair good afternoon Commissioners Denise Hernandez Planning and Development item p108 is PDD 220429 today is the adoption on this item so we're asking you the that you adopt the ordinance amendment by roll call vote this was presented to the local planning Agency on August 18 2022 who founded consistent with a comprehensive plan and recommended approval to the board of County Commissioners this is an ordinance amending the Pasco County comprehensive plan providing for a small-scale comprehensive plan Amendment to the Future land use map map 2-15 and sheet23 from res 3 residential three dwelling units for gross acre to Res six residential six dwelling units per gross acre on approximately 30.26 Acres of real property located at the intersection of Diane Drive and Chancey Road and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency for providing for repeal or severability and an effective date all right board members any questions okay um does anyone want a presentation or is that that was good all right is anyone here in the public wishing to speak to this item I have no one I have no one on WebEx for this item move approved second all in favor aye opposed oh sorry district one commissioner Oakley District Two commissioner Moore aye District Four commissioner Fitzpatrick aye District Five commissioner Mariano aye District three chairman Starkey aye okay p109 which is also roll call reminding myself published in the Tampa Bay Times on August 3rd 2022. good afternoon chairman Starkey and Commissioners this is an ordinance amending the Pasco County conference a plan providing for a small scale comprehensive plan Amendment to the Future land use map map 2-15 and sheet 10. from IL industrial Light to com commercial on approximately 3.47 Acres of real property located east of Galen Wilson Boulevard South of Ridge Road and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for repealer several ability and an effective date this is file number PDD 220464 and staff do come with a recommendation of denial would you like a presentation on this item today yes thank you alrighty so this property is located in the West Market area off of Ridge Road at Galen Wilson and Ridge Road The Proposal is a small scale comprehensive plan Amendment to the Future Lane East map 2-15 sheet 10 from Isle industrial Light to com commercial and the resolution would be to adopt the um to adopt the amendment and there is a following rezoning petition to rezone the property from i1 to C2

um so staff have compiled a list of policies that we have found to be inconsistent with the comprehensive plan and the request issues um so I will go through each individual one but just to list them will be policy blue 1.6.1 for commercial development policy flew 1.6.2 location of commercial development policy flew 1.6.4 neighborhood commercial policy Ed limitations on the conversion of important employment locations policy flew 1.8.7 Economic Development and policy flu 1.8.10 preservation of capacity for employment generating uses so the first policy that we are going to review for inconsistency is going to be policy flu 1.6.1 the intent of this policy is to identify where commercial development is appropriate so that policy does state that commercial development is only appropriate within land uses of com commercial RoR mixed use Town Center EC and PD the criteria for that also would include if the subject site is located within a tnd the subject site is not the subject site does not qualify as conflicting zoning and the subject site does not qualify as a commercial infill the next policy to review is policy flu 1.6.2 this policy is intended to evaluate when a comprehensive plan Amendment to the commercial feature land use would be appropriate um and this uh the site does not meet the requirements under that that would be required to be located at an intersection of an artero and or collector roadway it is not the next policy that we will be addressing is policy flu 1.6.4 for neighborhood commercial development so the site does meet the flu requirements a policy policy flu 1.6.4 as it is located at an arterial or collector Ridge Road is uh is a major collector roadway the subject site meets the minimal location before that although the amendment is consistent with the policies found elsewhere within the comprehensive plan the main policy that we have found it to be inconsistent with is going to be policy flu policy Ed 1.4.4 limitations on the conversion of important employment locations here then we identified that our employment generating uses are namely going to be located in the EC future land use the IH future land use in the IL so the intent of this is saying that we're not looking to be converting any of these future ladies categories to say a residential to commercial to anything other than those so we can preserve those employment generating uses we have had two different fiscal we've had a fiscal impact analysis performed on this and we have had an economic impact analysis on this the subject site is appropriate and compatible for the location of Il future land use there are no Wetlands there are no geographical restraints or insufficient infrastructure on the property for light industrial the proposed amendment request removing the IL industrial

future land use and the conversion from IL to com generates 41 percent less employment generating opportunity than the IL flew would the next policy is going to be policy flu 1.8.7 this policy is intended to identify projects that will generate or contribute more to the county and revenue than would consume in services so through the fiscal impact analysis that was performed and that is one of the attachments in there then it was found that um by oeg that it indicates that the Delta between the fiscal impact of the IL and the com is insignificant but the part that we're actually going to be looking is any benefit from the 7.7 pickup um for this is an annual fiscal impacts of the com C2 they're completely overshadowed by what the ili1 would um would contribute which would be a 75 increase on the employment generation when compared to that com C2 scenario were inconsistent the next policy that are in the last policy that we will be evaluating this by for inconsistency is going to be policy flu 1.8.10 the preservation of capacity for employment generating uses so this policy is intended to review the process and ensure that adequate Land Transportation capacity is available for the present and future high-paying employment generating land uses such as your office industrial and employment center uses so this policy is intended to work in tandem with policy Ed 1.4.4 and policy flu 1.8.7 you kind of have to take all of those together as we're talking about these employment generating land uses we have determined that there is adequate land and capacity available for the subject site for the employment generating land uses so that would support the ili1 uses there commercial development has not been identified as an employment generating land use in policy Ed 1.4.4 so staff do recognize that employment um there's significant employment generation within the common C2 but it's overshadowed by what would be produced by the ili1 the subject site is located generally off of Ridge Road and Galen Wilson let me see this right here is Ridge Road and Galen Wilson bisects down there these two sites are separated by attract this uh prop uh property was um plotted in 2018 so this did start as a rezoning and then they plattered from there this right here is the future existing land use so this entire area is characterized by that IL feature land use and they're proposing to remove those two front Lots along Ridge Road and convert that to commercial it's okay are there three lots no man what's on the corner there is that to the left yeah that's school no right next to that there's a company box in the corner

uh this one the purple Corner yeah on this one so that one has come in for a pre-application for um an office development which would be consistent with the IL Iowa so in 2018 then this entire site was rezoned to i1 from AC and that was to create an industrial Light District park um so across the street then you see the purple up there that has your i1 and C3 which C1 is or I won waterfalls into C3 so that is permitted and then with the i1 then that's where they have done a rezoning amendment in 2018. good yes sir I was going to say if you can go back to that slide before all it's pretty consistent that you have commercial zoning red all along Ridge Road except for the industrial Light right here and also isn't there a light at Galen Wilson in Ridge Road because at 1.6.4 you had mentioned if it's at the um at an intersection and I believe that is an intersection right there with a light I do not recall that there is a light right there there okay so the property directly to the left to the to the left of the industrial Light is Chasco elementary school so there is a large intersection with a light there and that was under 1.6.4 that you had mentioned um so Terry just reminded me that there is a light at that interstation intersection but Galen Wilson is not on arterial it is a collector oh it's neither my apologies but Ridge Road is a collector thank you yes ma'am yes um well what do you have on your presentation it's going to be going through the general location do you want to let her finish she's almost done okay good for sure I got something too I want to ask okay go go ahead and finish thank you thank you so that is correct this at the C2 site then that is trasco elementary and this this is the corner of the Home Depot and at this site then that is where the Wawa is so neither of those are part of um the IL feature land use that does have an RoR so that is separate in this case when they rezoned then they also plotted the property um so that is approximately 30 acres and they have pre-plotted that and sold off a majority of the land the land owner for these two properties here originally owned the entire industrial park and then has slowly sold off properties but it has retained a few Madam chair on that two slides ago she had mentioned it was Wawas there's actually it's Home Depot and then to the right there's a Chase bank and then on the other side where you said is Wawas yes ma'am well you said it was Wallace I always wanna I do know this area thank you carries for the Tampa Bay Regional planning Council the industrial study that was given us to us earlier this year um in this study then they did indicate that the county is looking to preserve additional employment generating land uses so namely that would be your EC

your IH and your IL this property since it is located within the West Market area that is one of the areas that was identified as lacking the most in that industrial future land use so yeah our site is all the way down here it is very insignificant compared to other sections of the county there are a few other sites that are along US 19 that do provide this industrial land use but again they are very small they have been chipped away as time goes on so that is something that we are looking to hopefully preserve what we can to it keeps those employment generating land uses so today staff do come with a recommendation to deny the proposed comprehensive plan Amendment from IL industrial Light to com commercial for cpas2215 higher Ridge Center Lots two and three we also do have an alternative motion um that was from the local planning agency and that would be to approve the proposed comprehensive plan Amendment see pass 2215 High Ridge Center Lots two and three and adopt the ordinance by roll call vote and authorize the chair to execute the ordinance of the ordin The Originals of the ordinance provided and direct the board records department to distribute as set forth under the distribution section below and there is also another alternative motion whatever you all come up with today if so there's always that all right um did you have a question after commissioner is there an applicant that wants to speak but I would rather wait that's because I want to talk to staff too talk about stuff now okay before me all right so when you did your fiscal impact uh did you account for the fact that the industrial land was beside it had he done it differently he could have had about 15 what it could have been a retail supporting um land use for that property that that is included when the impact analysis is being performed because part of the IL futural induces just as you said it permits up to 15 commercial uh support commercial so they're going to be namely there are commercial uses that are listed in the i1 zoning but also that would include the commercial uses that are listed in the C3 zoning category category is there anything in the future that would keep us from taking those other uses that this applicant's proposing to use in those that we could incorporate in industrial park at this time the applicant has not named a use we have offered to go through what support commercials would be available and we have not gotten an answer on that quite yet and I think you just didn't want to preclude himself from that when I look at the the frontage of Ridge Road across the street right above is commissioner Fitzpatrick said there's a huge industrial component right next to that opposite this here this big commercial that's right there as well this commercial are all around this whole quarter going all the way down to

little road to the side all retail et cetera this has been probably difficult for you guys to try to find with the code the way the listed Etc but this to me makes all the sense in the world to let this go commercial just like the others did um and I'll just ask one more question the Planning Commission voted unanimously to approve this um but on your recommendations it's really not even highlighted out it used to be that the Planning Commission vote would then be the staff recommendation I don't know why we I'm not doing that but that's how it used to be I thought yeah it might have been the um what was prior to the Planning Commission that was LPS it was a little different back then my recollection since I've been your county attorney is that that the professional staff makes their recommendation and provides you what the action at Planning Commission was now prior when it doesn't happen often so yeah never mind okay I'm good but can you go back to the other slide commissioner Moore is next but commissioner Mariana are you done I'm good okay commissioner Moore thank you madam chair just a couple questions before the applicant comes up total acreage going back to that is 3.47 is that correct yes sir all right but we have two Parcels so 1.5 1.7 approximately you know one parcel is 1.73 the other is 1.74 okay yes sir and I appreciate you guys reaching out to the um Ingles team and doing the economic analysis and doing it through the fiscal impact I'm a little confused today though yes sir and here's why I'm confused I'm confused because I'm not trying to get an apartment debate here but over the years when I've had issues which for what's going from C2 and Industrial because there was an industrial one that staff recommended approval on on Wesley Chapel Boulevard that went to multi-family and that in that was Zone industrial at least a portion was a Zone Industrial so all of a sudden on a parcel that's 1.5 1.7 Acres we're going to do the economic analysis analysis we're going to do the physical impact but in the past I've been striving to get that done on some of those C2 properties and it's not happening we're talking 5 10 15 20 30 acre parcels that would have a much larger economic impact than something at 1.5 1.6 1.7 staff is unanimously almost every time recommending recommending approval of these multi-family apartment complexes on 54 and 56 especially I'm not talking about other areas tomorrow that area where we strive to have commercial we strive to have industrial or one of the one or two of the or both and we're not going through the process of doing this whole economic impact and Analysis

physical impacts I do them sometimes you know in my own ways but I just don't understand and listen I'm glad you're doing it but we got to be consistent here I don't understand the inconsistencies because what has more of a negative impact than taking a parcel and moving either from C2 or industrial where it may be and move into multi-family there's no jobs there's four jobs maybe three jobs but now all of a sudden on these little tiny parcels that you're not going to be able to I mean listen I'd rather have yeah industrial get it but what are we going to put on 1.5 1.6 1.7 Acres compared to you know these other Parcels that staff recommends men's approval to move to a multi-family on 20 25 30 40 acre Parcels I don't get it I just don't get the consistency so I think Terry's coming up yeah I know I I'm just I'm baffled and Confused all of a sudden but I don't and my question is they go ahead Terry or someone whoever yeah those Planning Development Department um well let me just address the the project that was on Wesley Chapel that the portion that was IL that got re-flued to residential was entirely Wetland and it was undevelopable from for any purpose really including industrial I don't know if I could make that determination without going because we see a lot of pro we see a part of me we see a lot of pro excuse me we see a lot of parcels that are wet and we know what people come in here and do to fix that so much of the challenge however is in the designations that are present it wasn't until very recently when the Border County Commissioners changed the C2 zoning district and made uh some some performance standards to enable conditional uses for multi-family in C2 zoning under certain circumstances that the that the Gap narrowed and enabled us to do further analysis previous to that Amendment uh to the C2 zoning multi-family was a conditional use Allowed by the C2 zoning District so we were constrained by existing Land Development code regulations as well as in the comprehensive plan when we're looking at certain Parcels related to com uh com does allow for multi-family to exist in that flu designation under specific circumstances so given the prior constraints some of the recommendations that you saw previously moved forward the way they did since code changes have occurred we've been able to hone in on the different policies and enable us to go a little bit more deeper into the into the analysis and provide that to the board of County Commissioners Madam chair question follow-up question yep so going forward is what you're telling me it's going to happen every time moving forward well I'm not I didn't finish you don't know what I'm going to ask yet you're going to go ahead and do an economic analysis and fiscal impact

moving forward every time we're going to change um say C2 and Industrial and somebody's requesting to move it to multi-family we're going to do one of those right because I've because it was important to do it this time on 1.5 1.7 Acres so moving forward we're going to do that every time right well you're going to reach out to David's office and allow him to do his job and no it has to happen yeah we have we have been reaching out to office of economic growth but I haven't seen those on the other one I think in the case of C2 if it meets one of those criteria that is listed in the in the C2 zoning District um we're sort of constrained and we'll we'll provide the necessary conditions of approval to such a conditional using permit um but when we're talking about flu changes for example that go from IL or IH or EC to something less intense or to uh ielt or let's say employment generating land use to residential land use for employment generating land use to commercial or commercial land use to residentials anything that's kind of cascading down like that that's our intent is to do the uh look at that from an economic Wellness standpoint but I'm not seeing I'm not again I'm getting off here I'm going to stop in a second here but I'm going to come listen I'm I'm kind of comparing Apples to Apples here of what I've seen happen in the past and what's and what happened here what hasn't happened so again I hate to say I've only heard you know a month and a half right off into the sunset but I'm hoping once I'm gone um that this moving forward you know as me as a citizen that may walk up to this Podium here that we're going to see and he came up again impact analysis the fiscal impact analysis both are all um going forward and be consistent because I think it's great you do them but we just haven't done them in the past you know and there's no and they're a trigger here's the trigger is somebody on this one of five Commissioners on this board is saying do it there's the trigger do a fiscal analysis do an economic impact study there's the trigger I'm saying right now have David Engel get involved every one of the things I talked about them before every single one of them so anyways so moving on so thank you for that we got a lot to coverage we got a long day I know ahead of us but I had to get on the soapbox actually it's getting taller behind here behind the two green squares and I'm going to call that South I see all these Parcels here so can we can you explain to me I mean the applicant can but I would assume the team can can you tell me what types of businesses are south of the two mint green squares absolutely so in total there are just

over 30 lots that have come out of this they range from about 1.7 Acres down to about 1.45 the average is about half an acre for these Parcels we are seeing a couple pre-ops coming in we're seeing a couple site plans coming in for approval so one of them is for Dixie Bell they are coming in of the painting company yes ma'am um so they're coming in for one of the center lots and they're coming in to do warehouse storage the first uh you asked about the lot to the left along the frontage um I believe that one has come in for a pre-application as well and the two Parcels just south of that then that is coming in for an office as well so nothing's been developed South that's what you're telling me yeah that's there but we we do have a couple of them that are in the process of pulling permits um so we do have a lot of movement down there and then I believe also at this Southern right corner then the the bottom two Parcels there then they are also coming in for a project so um Sheriff Stark you said that Dixie Bell is a painting companies that yeah they're they're located across the street that the main op the main building okay so they're they're coming over to like just have them storage warehouse space yes sir okay so do we just a question yes sir yes sir do we think there's a possibility that the two lots in question today could possibly generate more employment opportunities than a warehouse that's being stored and people are just going across the street to store paint I believe that that would depend on the types of uses definitely right now they are permitted for i1 which also includes the C3 uses so that they are permitted up to that 15 support commercial if that's what they're Desiring to do I appreciate the question all right answers thank you yeah so that's my question um they can already put there's already C3 zoning there so C3 zoning is waterfalled in with that i1 so if you have i1 zoning you're automatically permitted those c3s as well 18 support commercial designation that the IL flu carries um would enable some of the commercial uses listed in C3 and in i1 to exist in the IL future land use the thing the important distinction to make is that if these two Parcels were to be redesignated to the con commercial future land use what an effect is happening to the little industrial park that we have uh here on in the West Market area is a doubling of potential commercial in this little industrial park so you would you would get 100 Commercial on these two Parcels because they could potentially go to com as the application is requesting but when that happens the rest of the industrial park gets a renewal of the full 15 support commercial so it's a dilution of the industrial employment generating

potential with more commercial uses uh in in the industrial park uh um it doubles it when you're done I've asked a follow-up question so yeah so is that something that can that we could put in conditions that's no no not unless this is a PD they're applying for euclidean zoning are they not this is this is the this is the comp plan Amendment but correct yeah the next step down the road Next Step would be euclidean yeah uh that may have answered my question I'll ask it in a different way if um this board so chose to do a deed restriction on C2 to say for example not allow Mini Storage not allowed because we're talking about Job creating opportunities right not allow a car wash not allow a not that's going to fit well people try God knows I'll probably try to squeeze one in anything but not a multi-family apartment complex for example can you put could you put deed restrictions Mr Stein Snyder that would be a question for the applicant when he comes up so it would be allowed if there would be willing to that's what you're saying okay instead of doing what you could do with deed restrictions okay all right so shall we hear from the applicant okay is the applicant represented I see Mr Booth okay motion receive a file second all in favor aye aye Steve Booth 3030 Starkey Boulevard Trinity representing the applicant the my client Mr Blackwell cooking AC parcel of property and created what the county has been looking for as that is additional industrial property and within that industrial property 15 percent is allowed to be commercial under certain restrictions that are set forth to answer your question about restrictions I'll read to you the recorded Declaration of restrictions that run with the land and are enforceable against every lot within that site and it says only uses under the Pasco County ordinance shall be allowed and the following additional operations and uses uses shall not be permitted on any property residential and I point out residential because one of the arguments staff has in your in your right up there is that well you could be opening up for residential property I think that quite frankly was is never going to happen the marketplace would not allow that to occur it can't be an RV park it can't be and we have listed a number of other of other uses uses that could not be made and then this says come and again these are the recorded deed restrictions the i1 category allows up to 15 percent of the platted property to be used for certain commercial uses Lots one two and

three are designated as the commercial lots and may have an additional or alternate rules and regulations consistent with the Pasco County Land Development code so the concern about the rest of those lots is taken care of by the deed restrictions okay the problem is is that 15 percent that you are allowed to have commercial and we have designated that on lots of one two and three but the application here is only as to two and three because lot one has been sold is less than the 15 that we're allowed to have the problem with it is is that the restrictions for that commercial find it here um limit it to support uses doesn't say support and ancillary which the which the um comp plan says uses such as restaurants Banks day care centers dry cleaners hotels motels and service stations so the argument about fiscal impact and other aspects of that the usage impacts is just absolutely ridiculous because we've designated these Lots commercial and we could put these other things in which it's not gonna it's not changing the approach to the fiscal impact because it could be these less income generating and less job income from the jobs on these sites which we can already do so how is that affecting anything overall as far as the county is concerned and then here's the problem and the reason we have come in and asked for what we want is that we have nobody beating down our doors to put in a bank a daycare center a dry cleaners it just hasn't happened a hotel I mean we can put a hotel on those two sites I don't think we're going to have people coming here to talk to us about that and we have had difficulty generating an appropriate use for that and accordingly we feel that by putting it commercial and restricting it as it's already been restricted in the in the um deed restrictions in the Declaration of restrictions that we are meeting the intent of all this and as you can see from the handout we've given you there's nothing across Ridge Road in that area that isn't already commercial and that was one of the big Hang-Ups that the Planning Commission had one of the gentlemen said deny this this is nothing but commercial up and down Ridge Road and it's only these two lots and um I think that the application of some of these concerns about the flu just are not are not really relevant or pertinent to the overall situation that we have with these two small Lots accordingly we think this is a reasonable request and we would request that you go ahead and approve it

could you tell me again you said that there's a list and indeed restrictions I don't do we have that no no um I don't think you do I just these are deed restrictions that are recorded I can provide you with a copy right here just read read it read it if you don't mind these are these are uses if if that's changed to C2 these are uses that cannot occur on this property is that what you're saying this list is um Madam chairman if I can try and help Mr Booth these are restrictions that were recorded when you planted your subdivision correct yes so that when they platted their subdivision and they've sold off Lots everybody in the subdivision these were the rules in addition to zoning okay yeah and and what that includes these two lots it includes these two lots because they were part of the subdivision right that's correct but what what I should have read to you is that the before it got into those restrictions it says allowable land use land shall be used only for those purposes allowed in an i1 Zone as defined in the zoning regulations of Pasco County enforce an effect on the date of this declaration as the same maybe here and after amended so we're restricted to those i1 uses on the balance of the property that eliminates the argument that I just heard from staff that well if you designate this com then you can go get 15 percent out of the balance of the lots that won't allow us to do that so that always if if we can have a small dialogue so what you're saying is your deed restrictions put all of the commercial that 15 percent is all up on one two and three on Ridge Road yes sir that's it okay yep and and the purpose of you moving to come is that you want commercial that is in addition to ancillary support in addition to those restrictive of uses that have been set forth in there which really don't work on this site Madam chair yep Mr Booth you you mentioned some things you were allowed to have earlier you mentioned hotels did I hear you say convenience store or gas station you said gas station did you say gas station yeah yeah sir that uh is that true I'm not saying you're wrong but is that I I didn't I think so but well I've got the right it says service station okay I guess that's a gas station yeah I think so I don't know if it's that right yeah that's that's the same that's wild all right here comes our zoning we'd like to think about the changing our yeah in the future as a County right well the thing is these these 7-Eleven right not just a service station but it is a service station if you can get gas there so we're going to

argue each one of these potential uses every time that um we have a contract and somebody that wants to buy the piece we want to be able to know when we're marketing that we can say these are the things that are allowed okay um Denise you do you want to just go through the uses and all that kind of stuff yeah we could definitely go through the uses but so so based 15 it's subject to what the zoning says so the zoning in this case is I i1 i1 does not allow gas stations nor does C3 i1 is a waterfall District so waterfall so everything you can do in C3 you can do an i1 everything you could do in C3 i1 you could do an I2 so they they pyramid or waterfall from each other a gas station is not a permitted use in neither C3 nor i1 correct service station is a special exception use in C1 and it's a permitted use in C2 and they and they generate a lot of traffic but that's in other words he under the i1 zoning which is what it's currently zoned he could not have a gas station there regardless of what the comprehensive plan says the use is not called out in the zoning District okay we don't see C3 very often do we yeah that that exactly yeah it's a it's a commercial I don't even know what's allowed it's it's very light manufacturing so it's kind of like the precursor to going into i1 where it's more intense so yeah you're right you we don't have much I've never run an actual um statistical research to see how many C3 Parcels we have but we don't really have that much at one point in time because I've been here for so many years we were making a lot of changes to um see to the C3 District because that's what a lot of contractor's office in storage but since we changed the code several years ago where it's allowed in C2 we don't see a lot of rezonings to C3 and so I'm not sure yeah so first question to County attorney Jeff um so as we can see right now there's no residential so there's no Apartments can go in there there's no service stations that can go in there can Mini Storage go in there on one egg how big are those on this on this partial not very much yeah I think I don't know of anything that prohibits that but you know I I don't know that anybody could ever do that that's okay I'm just I'm just asking the question because we've come up so Denise okay go ahead so in the i1 zoning District you cannot have storage self storage facilities um it's not allowed okay um in the i-1 zoning district there is a potential for a special exception to do the um which you've probably been seeing the boat in RV storage just for a temporary period of time with conditions okay probably last question Mr booth and Mr Blackwell um

would you I brought this up earlier would you be willing to if this was your request was approved would you be willing to add a I'm gonna look at Mr Blackwell as I say this too would you be willing to have a deed restriction in there that said no multi-family no Mini Storage [Music] C2 you could right but indeed restriction that specifically prohibits residential okay so we're good there in the Mini Storage Mini Storage you can do either one I thought you said industrial thoughts I'm sorry that's what I'm doing I'm wondering if there's some uses in C3 that would fit these Lots maybe Denise has to answer that well maybe because maybe that gives you something that was offered a choice to be in seat not C2 but C3 some uses the problem is it's right on Ridge Road it has an interconnect with the Home Depot okay which of course were required by Statute it's got a power transmission line that runs right between those lots the major series restricted and it just it isn't conducive to anything in our opinion based upon the people we have coming and wanting to look at it and can I put in this and I put can I put in that and we haven't been able to accomplish that from a marketing standpoint the um the it don't the issues that well you come out to speak to C3 and then I'll yes just dance with the commissioner's question there are uses in C3 and in i1 that can locate on the two Parcels that are before the board today the developments that are happening just to the South and same Industrial Park are the same size buildings that you might expect on the two Parcels that are subject um that are that are the subject of this proposal um the the key thing to remember is that while the corridor itself is overwhelmingly commercial there is limited Industrial in the less market area in general and in this particular area of the West Market area the harbors the development plan calls for the to the need to prevent further retail strip development along major corridors and provide a healthy mix of uses and create a community destination and the conversion of ielticom would would reduce the mixture of uses along the corridor and Ridge Road has to be thought of as a quarter because it does connect now to the Strategic and immoral system which is Suncoast Parkway and Beyond the US-41 eventually and so these uh this area is sort of key now to to the West Market area and the preservation of industrial land but Manchester but the point is we can put some commercial in there anyway under their own guidelines they're just that argument I understand the argument but it just isn't applicable to these uh this situation where everything else is industrial and we

reserve the front which is commercial all the way around it for reasonable commercials that this board gave staff a a direction for these kind of properties and not to lose any more it's a long time coming but a very small piece of property but but we've given I hate to go get staff when we've given them a direction and then they show up actually leading by that direction and that's why we have this confusion about it I mean it's not in anyone's fault but this board actually gave them the direction to make sure that we didn't lose Industrial in the first place yes we knew that the county was uh favoring that's right yeah which at the time when you did it actually if you'd have done an mpud on the same property and set that up on commercial on the front and had industrial to the back would have been approved and and been fine had that discussion right yeah sure um commissioner Mariano then I have some a couple of questions I'm getting ready well so I'm going to ask a question to Denise one more time just to be clear on these two Parcels the use of the property from what I understand cannot be a service station cannot be residential including apartments in a canopy Mini Storage so yes that's correct if it does stop it yes I just want to make sure if it stays the way it is today because I did look at his deed restrictions and I could read you all the deed restrictions because they're they're very interesting I think that covers everything been pretty much I'm ready to make a motion no I have questions all right um well the one thing that gives me a little heartache is the school district next door and the amount of traffic that some uses might generate so um and I understand what staff's saying about Industrial but chances you get an industrial up front there I don't know and they're allowed to do commercial anyway so my thought might be to make sure and I don't have uses memorized in in the different categories but I would be in favor of making sure it's not the really high commercial uses that take a lot of traffic because especially with the new rules now where more more kids are walking to school and that's one of the danger areas I also wonder if it's is it possible for you that Community to connect to the community behind it so that students trying to get to school I know it's not a great road but maybe we can help improvement from that Orchid Lake Community can access the school without having to go out on Little Road and up to Ridge and across it sure would be nice that there they could come in from the back side so I'd love for us to uh see if we can make that happen but um yeah so I I think if if there's some way

to to call out some of the uses then Denise that would have to be coming from you that that are just the real high intensity traffic generators I probably would be okay with commercials so they but they probably want things like I mean if they want like a car wash or something that's a high Generation Well I think their deed restriction said no car washes no it did not they didn't okay well I would that's one of them probably maybe a fast food and they're all going to be coming down and making a U-turn right where the school did school school is in that intersection so I'm okay with some of the other commercials but I just would not be okay with high traffic generators and they could make uh left at the light and come in off Galen Wilson into the industrial that's that's not what we want right I would say that the representative the school board uh Chris Williams was at the Planning Commission uh meeting which was a unanimous approval does he vote on this one no he didn't vote on it yeah this doesn't understand you had to write to comment as I understand it maybe well I I can tell you what we're getting from parents and traffic now that they took away the two bus miles it's crazy I would say in response to that commissioner is that it's platted the Lots most of them are sold okay and there'll be a lot more industrial applications coming in for that property I don't know that the road structure can change any because there's nothing that could be connected at the bottom and as far as adding restrictions because those lots have been sold we couldn't just change them so no no I'm not talking about anything with the Lots I've been sold just we need to look when something comes in that we're making sure this kind of for my staff that there are connections possible even if they're pedestrian connections that provide kids a safe way to school without having to get out on a street because it's a shame that if you live there you have to be driven out to little up and over and Madam chair um there used to be a pedestrian gate where the kids could walk to school but the kids in Orca Lake Area are zone for Colusa not for Chasco Elementary probably because there's no connection I mean they're right next door to Chaska the middle school middle um but also this parcel is also to the East and the school is here and then the community is right below it and then it's right next to it to the east is all woods so if you I don't I don't know if you can scroll down I'm looking at it right down at the end the parcel just south of this parcel is all trees the parcel to the left is the back of orca Lake Community yeah right right there we could have made a connection right there there um there are houses along that way up until you get to Galen Wilson and then to the east of Galen Wilson it's all Woods on the corner of 8th Street where it turns and you have Galen Wilson there could have been a connection there

oh I don't know where 8th Street is yeah so okay yeah typically for Residential Properties um this would be an industrial park and so too funnel people through an industrial park no up Galen Wilson well yes there'll be Parcels that could potentially be fronting along Galen Wilson that understand you can see it on the map if you've zoomed out a little bit but I think that's someone's I think that's a PDF but I'm looking at it and gaining Wilson goes down it goes to the National Waste Management systems and it could have continued down even if it's a pedestrian access not a golf cart access well I think the reason why that didn't happen with this Industrial Park is off-site from from their direct development but typically you wouldn't want High pedestrian traffic through industrial parks I agree 100 hmm okay okay um but can we can we restrict some uses um is that a possibility and what would be high traffic ones if that's something that other people were in favor of I don't know if there's other board members but what would that look like I have to defer to uh the County Attorney right because I've understood it all along you can't really do that within the enforcement well when they brought you up they asked you if you were willing to amend your deed restrictions to limit those those uses on these two lots and what I've said is that I don't have the authority to without getting all 20 some odd 28 uh property owners that would agree to an amendment you could if Mr Blackwell owns Lots two and three you certainly could re record additional restrictions on those lots to get this commercial just two and threes not all of them it's about two or three all right Steve and I think we should more we bring up Mr Blackwell because I don't even know in fact the rest of the property owners you know typically every property owner in there has the right to enforce the restrictions as they are written without um you know an amendment to it or whatever because I think that because they're still part of well based on that argument I'm sorry based on that argument they're they're entitled to rely on this remaining IL specifically put it in there that these three lots were part of the 15 commercial designation but of the IL so now maybe we oh now we have a problem I think you've heard I think you've heard Mr Booth say that no they're not willing to restrict Lots two and three it's not question of being unwilling to do it there are certain restrictions that we put in there we just took a laundry list and put some of them in

there but if I don't know what the vehicle would be legally to affect every other property owner in there in that subdivision even regardless of what the zoning on it is or what the amount of the IL designation that doesn't affect the rights of those other properties really doing two parses but I'm sorry wow this is taking longer yeah there you go I don't care if I could yeah the county attorney's not talking about amending the existing restrictions yeah he's talking about doing a new deed restriction which we do throughout the county that's just on those two parcels and it's between the county and the landowner not the rest we're not talking about amending the existing deed restrictions you do a new deed restriction just for those two parcels you cannot pick and choose well you're like you're killing your argument here Steve you're saying you can't change it but then you want us to change it okay but legally I'm not sure that we can do it well it goes both ways then be careful here um because you're saying we can't change the deed restrictions without everyone agreeing to it then we don't have all the landowners in here that are willing okay to change the deed restrictions from my l to see to come so it's it can't be both ways it has to be one way or the other that's the only thing I'm concerned about Madam chair yeah you've got a big retail development right beside it you've got Home Depot right there there's tons of trips you get restaurants right across the way with tons of trips everywhere around it this is an industrial land the guy brought forward and I was just trying to to protect the retail the major things I think I heard in conversation between service stations is Apartments mini stores are pretty much covered can we see if there's any public comment to this oh yeah we do have to take public company okay all right we'll take public comment anyone wishing to speak to this item uh is there anyone online that wishes to speak to this I have no one on WebEx okay um I don't I don't even can we move forward I mean is that restrictions perhaps could come in in the rezoning application and we might be able to deal with it in that life I don't know that for certain you know but I gotta look to my I gotta look to my County attorneys well the so once this site is is granted commercial it's granted commercial I mean when you change the future land use from from IL to com it's calm and I agree with Mr booth that normally this would be taken up during the zoning but if they're not willing to make their concessions the Board needs to be aware that it may it may be every

potential use in com except what's already restricted by their uh by the recorded well then he would have to kill the zoning but but you're but the zoning request will be consistent with the new future land use that you've got awarded today so then and then you get in trouble when you don't approve that that's right as we have seen in the past Blackwell has been developing in this community for for many times made concessions we've done things that were right for the county mere fact that that this came he came in and did this industrial to begin with I would suggest that we can work on this to the best of our legal ability that's the concern that I have be honest yeah Madam chair yeah I mean listen I'll I'll thank staff again you know again thinking industrial under the Tampa Bay Regional planning Council so we need to focus on that which we're doing I just think these Parcels are too small um you know I don't want to hold this up anymore I I like that deed restrictions are already there I think we can move forward as commissioner Marietta just stated I'm I'm I mean if you want to put a you can't put a service station anyways you can't put a I mean the hotel would be fine to me but you can't put residential I mean if you you want to put a McDonald's in there go for it yeah it's right next to the Home Depot giddy up make motion to I don't know if I'm gonna wear this properly motion to mending just number two this one this one right here approve the Motions of the comprehensive Amendment plan for two and three and ordinance to buy a roll call vote second all right uh this is a roll call vote district one commissioner Oakley District Two commissioner Moore aye District 4 commissioner Fitzpatrick aye District Five commissioner Mariano aye District 3 chairman Starkey aye but you've got to go check your D restrictions make sure you can do what you just did right or your covenants or whatever those okay all right we're moving on p110 9 p109 was I thought so p110 oh I'm sorry okay I don't have it down as a roll call okay so p110 that was published in the Tampa Times on August 21st 2022 August 28 2022 September 4th 2022 and September 11 2022. Commissioners Denise Hernandez p110 111 and 112 just to remind you these are all adopt by roll call vote so uh p110 is PDD 220561 it's an ordinance establishing the two rivers East Community Development District pursuant to chapter 190 Florida Statutes providing for authority and power of the district providing for powers and duties of the district providing for the Board of Supervisors of the district providing for the District budget providing for functions of the district providing for miscellaneous Provisions providing for an effective date we're asking that you

adopt this by roll call vote literature yep can we not can we unless the pr unless this board wants to see a presentation can we skip over presentation this we're establishing a CDD and it's only beneficial to the county and the taxpayers to speak on the CDD um these are these are public hearings you don't need to have a presentation if you don't want to no no no um it's the person who signed up here to speak in opposition to P10 I have Brian [Music] um but it is the applicant this is yes okay okay all right so let's let's just move on then if you don't mind if it's just setting up the CDD District right yeah but I think I have to read the title regardless yes okay it's no presentation but I'm reading the title okay are you gonna will you be adopting this one by Roca voters yes what did you read the title I did yeah okay okay is there anyone online there's no there's no one today district one commissary District Two commissioner Moore aye District Four commissioner Fitzpatrick aye District Five commissioner Mariano aye District three chairman Starkey aye all right so the next two are also CDD districts so we're going to read the title yes the next two are CBD type but just please follow the process okay I'm just letting my board know it's just the same so please read the title and then the publication until yeah okay okay item P11 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on August 22 August 20 August 31st 2022 September 7th 2022 and September 14th 2022. okay read the title Please PDD 220562 it's an ordinance establishing the towns at Woods Woodsdale Community Development District pursuant to chapter 190 Florida Statutes providing for authority and power of the district providing for powers and duties of the district providing for the Board of Supervisors of the district providing for the District budget providing for functions of the district providing for miscellaneous Provisions providing for an effective date please adopt this by roll call vote is there anyone here who wishes to speak in opposition to this Madam chairman anybody who this is these are not consent public hearings oh it's anyone who wishes to speak okay to the guys does anyone who wants to speak to this item either here or online there's no one online for this item Madam chair Commissioners Mr steinsteiner my name is Ed Zody and I'm a planner with long-range planning and I was told that I need to inform you on record that the attachment to the ordinance was handed up that's a corrected attachment which is going to be attached to the

ordinance uh there wasn't this is not it this is but this is backup information this would not be attached to the ordinance correct this is a statement of estimated regularities attached to the uh so this is part of the petition which needs to be updated so if the board would receive and file for this item second all in favor becomes part of the record thank you very much okay is there anyone here who wishes to speak to this item is there anyone online he wishes to speak to this there's no one online roll call district one commissioner Oakley District Two commissioner I'm trying to rush along here let's go with the motion he made him win I made a motion okay roll call district one commissioner Oakley aye District Two commissioner Moore District Court commissioner Fitzpatrick aye District Five commissioner Mariano aye District three chairman Starkey aye uh P 113.12 112. sorry item p112 was published in Tampa Times on August 24 2022 August 31st 2022 September 7th 2022 and September 14 2022. okay please read the title EDD 220563 an ordinance establishing the Westwood of Pasco Community Development District pursuant to chapter 190 Florida Statutes providing for authority and power of the district providing for powers and duties of the district for providing for the Board of Supervisors of the district providing for the District budget providing for functions of the district providing from miscellaneous Provisions providing for an effective date we're asking that you adopt this by roll call vote is there anyone here wishes to speak to this item is anyone online to speak to this item there's no one online I'll take a motion approve second roll call vote district one commissioner Oakley aye District Two commissioner Moore aye District Four commissioner Fitzpatrick aye District Five commissioner Mariano aye District three chairman Starkey aye okay now we're on uh p113 on the consent agenda do you need to square people in do we want to go through procedures yeah there are two rezoning agendas regularing consent staff will present each application to the board of County Commissioners if staff or Planning Commission has recommended approval and there's no opposition the application will be considered by the board without further presentation if staff or Planning Commission is recommended denial or if there is opposition to the application the applicant will be given five minutes for presentation the opposition will be given three minutes for each individual or five minutes for a group representative and the applicant will be given three minutes for rebuttal any individual disagreeing with staff or Planning Commission recommendation or

anyone wishing to object to any condition of the reasoning May at this time request the petition be pulled from the consent agenda in which case that application will be heard under the regular agenda later on during the meeting otherwise all rezoning applications on the consent agenda will be approved by a single motion or vote if you wish to speak to any petition please give your name and address and whether or not you've been sworn for the record these are quasi-judicial public hearings the law in Florida is the mere public support or opposition of an application is insufficient for this board to take action please limit your comments to those criteria found within the board's Land Development code items if you could stand I was going to go ahead and administer the oath and raise your right hands anyone else wishing to speak for the rain remaining items please stand and raise your right hands okay do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth so help you God thank you maybe seated [Music] okay c113 yep okay item p113 was published in Tampa Times on August 3rd 2022. good afternoon p113 is PDD 20 cu-20 this one was advertised as a continuance it's RR sharp Properties LLC 813 Towing uh the request is to continue the item to the October 11th 2022 border County Commissioner's meeting at 1 30 in Dade City all right um okay I have conflicting notes here because it says it's on the consent but we take a motion to continue let's continue right all in favor aye okay and then I believe 114 is also a continuance item p114 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on August 3rd 2022. indeed uh p114 is PDD 220462 it is a continuance it was advertised as a continuance however the applicant has requested a different continuance date than is what what is shown on your memo so the continuance request is to the uh December 6 2022 Board of County Commissioner's meeting at 1 30. continue December 6th second all in favor aye all right P 115 on consent item p115 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on August 3rd 2022. p115 is PDD 227584 this is in The Villages of Pasadena Hills area it's Magnolia Island MPD master plan unit development Magnolia Islands LLP is for rezoning from AC District to an mpud master plan unit development District to allow for development of a maximum of 475 residential dwelling units and 70 000 square feet of commercial on approximately 216.85 Acres this comes through with a recommendation of approval with conditions it was unanimous approval recommendation from the Pasadena Hills

planning and policy committee which who heard the item on 817 of 22 and from staff and the conditions are as included in your agenda packet board members does anyone want a presentation nope all right um if the applicants here or I can I can see if there's anyone who wants to speak to this item it is on the consent is there anyone online to speak to this I have no one on online for this item all right we'll leave it on consent take a second all in favor aye p16 116. 116. sometimes I get it item p116 was published in Tampa Times on April 13 2022. good afternoon commissioner this is called Public Works and this is pw220080 the El Sol project um this was continued from the May 17th BCC meeting I'll just go over the presentation and um uh the board will direct us what to do excuse me there's one Street in this project it's going to maintain the space the estimated project cost is 23 557 and the maximum cost for eru is 7852.34 cents the discounted amount is 488 dollars sorry 4889.28 maximum cost per year you after the discount is six thousand one hundred and thirty nine dollars and twenty five cents next uh there were four possible votes um two uh responded which is fifty percent one was in favor and one was against um annual installation is over a 10-year period interest rate is 3.25 Interest next this is a location map next uh existing road condition and um staff is recommending approve that's not a road okay um this is I believe this is my district and is there anyone here in opposition to this PBS it's a public hearing anyone can speak I'm just seeing if there's anyone in opposition to it I have no one signed up online okay I'll take a motion you want to see if anyone's far there's no one on Are you standing up to speak okay I'll move so all in favor aye opposed nobody thank you don't you have another one okay p17 item P seven p117 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on August 3rd 2022. okay good afternoon Liam Divine Planning and Development item P 117 before we begin I have received an ex parte um form from commissioner Starkey which has been submitted to the clerk's office um item pdd22-7636 in the name of Betty fatty Betty H fatty trust it is a rezoning Amendment from AC agricultural District po1 professional office District the subject site is located on the west side of Dale Mabry Highway approximately 1900 feet north of Hillsborough County Line this is a look at the aerial view of the property the surroundings future land use to the

Northeast and South is all RoR into the West Is Res six the surrounding zoning is AC to the north to the east is AC C2 and mpud to the South is AC and to the West is R1 the subject site is currently undeveloped on approximately 8.5 Acres the applicant proposes to develop the property with professional office and conformance with po1 professional office District standards for development the surrounding areas characterized by commercial professional office and Residential Properties access to the property is from Dale Mabry Highway a f dot maintain articular roadway with approximately 200 feet of right-of-way and a private maintained Ingress egress easement to Preston Lane the subject site has a future land use classification of RoR under the comprehensive plan and this is coming with a recommendation for approval from Planning Commission and Planning Development Department I'm here if you have any questions I do have a question um can you put the map up of course just because um we've all gotten comments from questions from people um will the applicant be using a private road to access his property I think that would be a question for the applicant okay so we'll have the applicant come up and I have the same question and uh discuss that okay do you have any questions for him okay we'll take the applicant good afternoon Barbara wilheit 6327 Grand Boulevard New Port Richey for the applicant which happens to be our own Tampa civil they want to expand here in Pasco and stay in Pasco and build a new office here so with that I'm going to have Jeremy answer your question and I'm going to be here to answer any questions as well okay commissioner Starkey Jeremy couch with Tampa civil 17937 hunting Bow Circle Lutz 33558 I have been sworn I have no intention of accessing this property from Preston Lane to the West this property is on Dale Mabry we want to access from Dale Mabry we wanted Dale Mabry address okay all right because there were concerns and I think people signed up to speak to because they were concerned for some reason they were thinking you were coming in off of Preston but I listening I listened to the Planning Commission and I thought it was pretty clear to me that they weren't going that you said you weren't coming in off of Preston so all of our construction equipment will access from Dale Mabry okay all right um this is a public hearing knowing what you've just heard is there anyone who still wants to speak to this item okay Madam chair was walking up I it is great to see more office and congratulations on expansion because that means another Pasco County Business is doing awesome things so should we change the name to Pasco civil though oh yeah um Madam chairman Commissioners my name

is John calamari I reside at 20719 Preston Lane in Lutz I am a professional engineer I've been licensed in multiple States for over 40 years and in the State of Florida since 1998 prior to that I was in construction I've made my living that way for 50 years I am not opposed to construction and expansion however there are some items that need to be clarified Mr uh couch just stated that he will not use Preston Lane for construction purposes meaning as a whole Road for heavy equipment and materials however he did not make it clear that it will not be used as a means of entry and exit for the occupants of this building so that needs to be clarified secondly it's been established that Preston Lane is a substandard uh Drive I incorrectly stated at the oppression Lane is 15 feet wide it is only 10 feet wide so the paved surface does not allow passing of two vehicles somebody has to back down 900 feet 500 feet or they have to pull off on somebody's driveway or a lawn so we need to absolutely establish that it should not be used for additional vehicular traffic from the proposed office now an interesting item came up at the commission meeting and it was established that between the po1 land use and the existing residential land use there must be a type B buffer constructed and um Mr couch agreed that he would meet or exceed the requirements of a type B buffer I want to Define what a type B buffer is it must be 15 feet in width it must have shade trees planted every 30 feet these trees when mature must be at least 20 feet high with an extensive broad canopy and lower branches to help disguise the opposing use there must be shrubs in between the trees there must be a visual screen usually in the form of offense six to eight feet in height that fence must be 15 feet away from the residential property owners borderline there seems to be some misunderstanding about that so I want to make sure that gets read into the record and uh that's all I have to say okay thank you thank you for your time yep let's see you didn't need that extra time you asked you did just great for quickly okay um yes come on up and then um no you can't speak from there so you know okay um go ahead and do your comments and then we'll double check on that um because we don't we don't have a site plan so we don't know what's going on with Preston Lane here so I would have that question everything good afternoon and thank you I think because I'm representing other folks who are here that five minutes would be an appropriate time yes but you you understand he's not well is your question about Preston Lane and the

buffer yes well press no Preston Lane and that easement that is showing in the agenda do you represent a group of five or more people could you raise your hand and they're not going to speak you're going to speak on their behalf yeah no one else no one else will be no one else is speaking that then he's entitled to five minutes yeah okay so what good afternoon my name is Philip passantino I'm a retired person I live on Preston Lane we're talking about protecting Preston Lane as a private road sorry that's the first presentation okay I wanted to show you this picture of a mail truck coming down Preston Lane to give you some sense of the size of it it's nine and a half to ten feet wide it's a thousand feet long and as you can see a mail truck has to do a k turn just to turn around to do the other side of the street this is probably the most important slide I want to get across today as you see the property that the seller has is up on the upper right that's called the fetty property there's a property that's available below it called The Hope property and as you can see there's zero connection between those two uh Parcels Preston Lane is coming in as you can see there there's a planted community garden there's a site of some road damage that was done in the earlier uh trailers that were brought in there's no opportunity to turn around and there was a new septic system put in for forty thousand dollars so it gives you some idea that it really wouldn't make any sense and we're pleased that we're not going to be having construction things but why do we care because we had to pay for resurfacing a while back for 35 000 we need to do that again we were assessed 14 000 to make the corrections to Lake Como Drive which is the feeder road to ours there's one homeowner on the road who has both a home and a vacant lot and was appropriately assessed for both of those so it's perfectly appropriate to assess a private a a an empty lot and since all of these assessments are only on Preston Lane there's no one who was assessed at Dale Mabry address one resident paid 35 000 for sinkhole remediation and in the earlier presentation that uh we didn't need to do because of the assertion we have uh significant premiums on our street for uh flood because there was Construction done to build the Target on County Line Road and when that was done and they filled in the lake they flooded our uh road and it took about a year for Swift Mud to repair that so as you can see here we don't want to have that happen again there was a flood that actually inundated several of the homes and several tens of thousands of dollars were done what we take exception to is the statement that was put into the agenda talking about a privately maintained Ingress and egress easement that was

granted by the seller we found no legal document to showing that assertion the easement was drawn in on land that the Builder does not own the question is how and why is that being done all the maps show up clear all the county maps show a clear demarcation the only appearance is on the Builder's own self-drawn the seller the fetty trust is not a resident of Preston they weren't assessed for any of these things and so our position is that there's the seller has no standing to convey a means of access to a privately maintained Road this is the drawing that we take the greatest exception to if you take a look right at the lower left corner you can see that an easement has been drawn in okay it's this is a personal uh drawing it is not a county drawing and uh it was submitted by the Builder and it's very detrimental depressed and lean they have 321 feet of Frontage on Dale Mabry but I can't help but wonder and challenge why we're still being asked privately if we'll allow vehicles to go uh up and down Preston Lane it's just it's a no-go for us okay my next question is is it a valid easement and this is very very important because under Florida law a an easement must be recorded it is not it must be maintained it is not it must be used continuously um it was not and if it ever existed it's being cons it is considered under law to be expired it must be on land you own they do not it must be the only means to access the public road it is not okay if it's a private road it cannot be used for commercial purposes it must be necessary the the seller never used it and it's not needed and if president Lane was intended for such access it would have been built wider so what we want to make sure is that we're not building into any proposal that there's some sort of imaginary easement that is allowed to be put into this road it doesn't exist and and as you can see here they've already cut some Road out to Preston Lane and you can see that I'm closing with I would like to say that the neighborhood is fully United you can see just about everybody on the street has come out for this in addition there's 25 homes on Lake Como drive that would be affected by trucks in any other vehicles coming down there's been various proposals at various times for RV parks there's talk about using this for mixed use we'd ask for protection for any access for any construction for any construction mixed use commercial Dale Mabry we must avoid the private Drive being rezoned Beyond its current use and we'd like to continue the production the protection both now and into the future so I guess I see it people are asking for motion so I would like to ask for a motion to protect Preston Lane both now and into the future and to remove from that document any discussion of an easement that isn't illegally binding item thank you very much for your time I appreciate it thank you um Can an applicant come back up because um he spoke for that big group and

everyone who raised their hands you've given up your time is there anyone else that didn't raise their hand that wishes to speak is there anyone online that wishes to speak I have no one on WebEx for the site okay thank you no um sorry you cannot you can't speak from there thank you okay so can can we address Preston Lee Barbara Wilhite 6327 Grand Boulevard for the applicant I thought Mr couch was pretty clear in what he said to you on the record uh sworn under oath there was a Mr calamari mentioned that he didn't think it was adequate and that he wanted Mr couch to say that Preston Lane will not be used for Ingress or egress for for occupants of the building so I need you to say that on the record on the road Jeremy couch commission I swear occupants of the building will not use Preston Lane for Ingress and egress I'm going to fence It Off there you go thank you okay okay so that will be part of the buffer fence on the property line I don't want to get into the question of the easement and that's not for today I have no interest in using Preston Lane for anything I'm going to put a fence on the perimeter and there'll be no access to Preston Lane okay great thank you thank you the other comment was regarding the type B buffer we will comply with the code I'm don't know if the characterization of the code were correct or not correct um by Mr calamari but we will comply with the code okay board members any questions okay answer it all right it's in my district so take a motion then motion to approve wait is it it is my district right no it says District Four now it used to be my district it's not mine anymore so it would be motion to approve without any access from Preston Lane the street zoning yeah we're adopting the future I'm sorry you cannot speak from there thank you go ahead County attorney no I'm sorry you can't nope nope we'll answer those we'll we'll get that straightened out up here so this is your motion is the one that is that is in your staff report which is adopt the zoning Amendment authorized the chairman to exceed one original resolution provided and direct board records to distribute a set forth in the distribution section Madam chair there is a statement in the resolution about access being to Preston Lane I agree with the county attorney you can't condition that on the but you could direct that finding be stricken from your resolution that is there there is an or booking page for for an easement but it doesn't matter if they if utilize that they've said they're not

going to utilize that if if you wish to take out that that provision of their resolution that's perfectly acceptable motion to approve and remove access from Preston Lane remove the finding that their access for the zoning being from personally remove that from the resolution not sure I'm not as suggesting to determinate their easement the motion so amend the resolution that finding effect number two the finding of fact number two only says access to the property is from Dale Mabry Highway and ftot maintained Arturo road with approx approximately 200 feet of right away and strike the remainder of that sentence what he said give me one second that I'll second that yeah okay all in favor I opposed okay all right we did we we did exactly what you guys were wanting back there thank you okay p 18. all right I'm p18 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on August 3rd 2022. item Liam Devine Planning and Development item p118 um before I begin staff has received ex parte Communications from chairman Starkey commissioner Oakley commissioner Mariano and commissioner Moore which have been submitted to the clerk's office item PDD 22-7637 in the name of Ivano and Maria Martinez and a state of Mark and Janet R Novak NVR Pine Lake it is a zoning Amendment from AC agricultural District to mf1 multi-family medium density District the subject site is located on the east side of Henley Road approximately 1 350 feet south of State Road 54. this is a look at the aerial view the surrounding future land use to the north Is Res Sixth and PD to the east Is Res six and res 9 to the South is red six and to the West Is Res three the surrounding zoning to the north is AC and mpud to the east is acar and r1mh to the South is AC ar1 and RMH and then to the West is acar R1 and mpud the subjects say um consists of a single family dwelling and agricultural Pursuits and approximately 34.7 Acres the applicant proposes to develop the property with 164 town homes in conformance with the mf1 multi-family medium density District standards the surrounding area is characterized by residential development consisting of single-family dwellings and mobile manufactured homes the applicant has volunteered to record a deed restriction as included in your agenda packet access to the properties from Henley Road a county maintained local road with approximately 40 feet of right-of-way and the subject site has a future land use classification of res six under the comprehensive plan this is coming with recommendations for approval from Planning Commission and Planning Development Department I'm here if you have any questions or members any questions Madam chair yeah these are townhouses yes yeah

just for the record yes okay and here comes the applicant Barbara Wilhite 63 27 Grand Boulevard Newport Richie for the applicant yes commissioner these are Town Homes I think staff did a great job with their presentation so we'll see if there's any public comment we'll address the public comment um depending on what there is thank you okay um is there anyone here signed up to speak to this item uh okay come on up and uh anyone else here to speak to this item do we have anyone online no one's online for this item okay this will be the last speaker on this item thank you good afternoon my name is Martha Rose I've been a residence of Pasco County since 1995 we'll need your address my current address is Kitchen Trail 11838 are you hello are you here to speak to the Henley project I would like to speak for both on this okay this comment is just okay General you can do that thank you very much Warren but I think we need your full address though my full address is 11838 kitten Trail Hudson Florida three four six six nine have you been sworn I have I got up okay thank you the reason I've been standing is hard for me to get out of those chairs though you may proceed with your comments thank you very much ma'am as I said I've been here since 1995. I watched Pasco do a lot of different things I've been very proud of being in Pasco I love the album I love the logo that you've adopted with the wildlife Birds and the and the moon are the sun because both are happy I'm happy to see them both here my question is why are so many of the units around Pasco County that contain trees being cleared off totally totally cleared off not replanted not anything else I miss them I love them I love the people that are coming to our country and coming to the state but I also love the place where I live on kitchen Trail so I'll come back up and talk about that in a few minutes this is just do I think everything should be approved that's been approved this is um how many acres 306 Acres I live on Cotton kitten Trail so then I go down Hayes Road I see three or four beautiful housing developments the houses are lovely but it's taken away the trees is taken away the wildlife areas it's taken away the little Panther places and the coyotes and the quail and the things that I love about this I see um turkey turkeys now along the side of the road maybe eight or ten of them

or they have no place to live so as the commissioners responsible for Pasco County even though many people are doing the work for you you're ultimately the ones that are held responsible so let me let me address you on the trees because I I too love trees and we're um we have put in and strengthened our ordinance so that all these homes that are built have to have have to put trees back in and the neighborhoods have to have trees put back in and when they take out trees of a certain size and they can't put them all back in they have to pay into what we call the tree mitigation trust fund and so that the county can take that money and put trees in around the county so that's one on trees second on habitat over one-third of this county is preserved from development and we continue to buy more land with our money that the taxpayers have given us through the penny for Pasco in our e-lamp program so we are one of the few counties in the state that has the ability to keep buying up environmentally sensitive lands and not only do we buy those lands but we're connecting them with Wildlife corridors so we have some really great Environmental Protections going on here so I want you rest assured that we're we're we are looking out for for the trees and the animals those trees feet six inches diameter circumference so what what hap what happens here in our communities is that um because they're required to fill their land up to a certain height the trees won't survive if they put the fill around them so they they clear cut and I I hate to see it too um we didn't do that when we built our house we put a stem wall and saved all the oak trees but um but the reality of developing in Florida and flooding is that they have to build up the lots to a certain height and that usually means they have to take out the trees but they plant new ones one more question and it's not about 54 of the project last time I went down 54 I don't know how many Town Homes there are are you limiting the number of town homes along 54 is that open game maybe I should go down and invest in the property there uh we're not we we kind of aren't allowed to do that so um our our comp plan drives our growth and we are redoing our comp plan um to take into whatever it is that the community and the board wants to change but we by law have to follow the comp plan so do you want to ask me one more question I I think your time is up mpud computer yeah I think I think you're speaking on the item itself if you can only speak on the item that was being voted on now that's it yeah thank you very much okay are you raising your hand because you want to speak okay and that's on this item

okay anyone else after this um this woman okay Public public comment is closed after this is how many questions yep were you sworn in your name and address for the record please Joan Herbert 12607 Little P Court Hudson Florida are you speaking on Henley pardon are you speaking about Henley I have a question because of what how she came up and said my question is is that as we're putting in all these town homes and apartments and things we're displacing a lot of water I understand the tree I thank you for clarifying that um but what Provisions are we doing for the people that have lived here for Generations after Generations when all of a sudden they're suddenly flooding coming up from the ground from displaced water well uh that's all regulated by Swift Mud and our our County rules they um they have to account for any displacement of water that has to be captured on their property so that's why you see in all the new developments the stormwater ponds and the old developments probably where you live there aren't any storm water ponds well I've got a retention Pond that I made when I first went there your concern is I'm understanding from the the engineering department over all of Pasco County that I need to be prepared to leave Florida because as they continue to do what they're doing on Hayes Road in different places they're displacing with no preparation and control of where it goes so as a homeowner if we have been here for generations and and 20 plus some over years and never had a problem if with the development continuing that we all of a sudden have problems not from rain but from water coming up that's being displaced is a restitution in place for that for us that we go we're we're on we're on Henley and so if you have a question about the development on Henley um okay this is not yeah this is an open public comment this isn't a town hall or anything like that um is is the clock working because it went away oh you pause it during dialogue okay I never noticed that all right um I think that's it no one's online no one's online for this one item okay take a motion that's it's my district I think it's by this nope it used to be my district just before District Four anyone else speaking no motion to approve second all in favor aye aye okay um 119. item p119 was published in Tampa Times on July 20th 2022. good afternoon Tammy Snyder planning a development department I saw that we have Denton place and PUD PDD 22 7582 here's the location map we have Houston Avenue running along the North Boundary

Denton Avenue running South proposed is a rezoning request from an AC agricultural District to an mpud master plan unit development District whoa whoa to allow the development of a maximum of 804 residential dwelling units detached attached and or multi-family Courtyard homes which are built to rent and Associated infrastructure on approximately 306.7 Acres the applicant is also requesting the following variation from the LDC LDC 901.6 Point D point then Street design and dedication cul-de-sacs the request is to eliminate the cul-de-sac requirement when Street stubs are less than 150 feet all dead end streets in excess of 150 feet will have the cul-de-sac as required section 901.6 Point D Point 11 Street design and dedication requirements design and construction continuation of existing Street pattern and X Street access to adjoining properties this section requires streets within the proposed development to be connected to adjacent areas to provide for proper traffic circulation and ovad street is a private Street this is up in the northwest corner so this project will not have access to it unless approved by the responsible HOA and even then it is proposed to be emergency only and LDC section 901.4 substandard roadway analysis County Access Transportation staff had requested a potential stabilized connection to Eden Road which is also on the west which is a substandard roadway with large rural residential lots the applicant agreed to set potential connection although the access is not necessary for the project given the number of locations of other proposed accesses as long as the county waived the substandard road requirements for that and here's your master plan the proposed development is in the North Market area located on the north side of and budding Denton Avenue and the south side of and abiding Houston Avenue approximately 2 600 feet east of Little Road currently the parser reflects its original zoning district and has been used for agricultural Pursuits no increase in density from the existing res free future land uses proposed and the property of butts are conceptually planned Denton Avenue Trail to connect us 19 to the Suncoast Parkway and the 46.84 plus minus acre category 1 wetland in the Northwest Middle of the site will remain as a conservation area and will not have residential areas encroaching into the conservation area or into the required Wetland buffer areas LBC section 402.2.3.8 specifies at variations from the code may be reviewed and approved by the PC and BCC during the public hearing held variations shall be allowed where the BCC specifically finds that the proposed variations meter exceed the intent of the code staff has reviewed the request of variations and found that

they do meet the intent of the LDC the proposed request is consistent with the Pasco LDC chapter 400 subsection 402.2 zoning Amendment and PUD master plan unit development and with the applicable provisions of the Pasco County comprehensive plan and without the recommendation is approval with conditions all right I think we have the applicant here oh I'm sorry just a couple just a couple of things to note housekeeping we did receive quite a few expertise after the agenda closed so those did not get uploaded to the agenda but they have been sent directly to the clerk's office and last night I sent out a couple condition of approval route last minute revisions um COA 19 is actually all new it was a revised revised so the whole condition 19 is new not just the reference to Coyote Road okay I'm gonna lift that up okay here's the applique wait any questions for staff no question I just want to say I've had many conversations with the residents as well as the applicant you said number 19. Madam chair pocc members Clark hobby hobby and hobby PA 109 North Brush Street Tampa Florida have been sworn here on behalf of the applicant the subject project that you've heard about we've been working on for over a year maybe we can turn the mic volume down just a hairs getting some feedback the subject area is a highly variable and a bit of a mishmash from a planning perspective and it contains a combination of res 3 res 6 RoR and public semi-public on the north side of the subject property we're adjacent to the lake Marinette RMH manufactured housing community which is uh built out at a pretty high density on the south side we're adjacent to the Three Lakes RV park which has over 300 RV spots directly to the cell we have an unplatted subdivision to our Southeast which is an older community with unpaved roads and then the rest of our boundary to the east is comprised of a large County spray field that again is in the public semi-public future Lane use classification which generally indicates large utility infrastructure so the the subject area is one that has been undeveloped all these years um it has had Pines on it for a period of time but uh because of the varying nature of the future land use and the area there's no discernible area around which to build or predict what the uses might be so there really is a basic compatibility issue with any development in the area because there are all kinds of uses and it would be hard to say that something is not compatible with the surrounding area given the variability uh one thing we can point out because I think we'll hear from some neighbors that this is not a rural area it may have a rural feel particularly to the east of here and there is an identified rural area that starts about a mile or mile and a half to the east of the site

but this site has never been in one of the counties identified rural areas to the contrary this is an area that the county has been seeking investment and reinvestment for really most of my adult life you all know that my dad was a land use attorney here for many years and the county and the land use Community has struggled for years to find development opportunities in this area and so while our neighbors may have a differing opinion I'm actually quite proud to be here today and to have this project because it's going to be a large-scale investment in the community the likes of which it really has not seen since the 70s or early 80s so I'm going to turn this over for just a minute to members of our team of Anna writtenauer with a clearview Land Design who's a planner and she's going to give you a little bit of a planning background on the area and the project and then after Anna is done Steve Henry with lynx and Associates will talk about the transportation a little bits a little bit and then I'll conclude thank you really sorry good afternoon commissioners my name is Anna rittenauer I'm a certified land planner at Clearview Land Design 3010 West Azeal Suite 150 Tampa I don't believe I've spoken before this board before so I'll just let you know I've been working in Florida for about eight years and really heavily in Pasco County for the last two and a half or so with rezonings and comp plan amendments behind clerk Hobby and others so I guess here's our project team I'm going to kind of skip through these only because Clark mentioned a lot of this stuff already but I just want to um clarify some things and get a little bit more in detail so the general site location so that you all are aware is we're to the east of US 19 right between Houston Avenue and Denton Avenue it's approximately 306 acres in total the site is currently wooded land for Timber and we're there's approximately 50 acres of wetland today most of that will be preserved with the site plan that you'll see in a moment um here is the existing zoning map which I'm now realizing is a little difficult to see but um you can kind of see that there's a lot of different zoning districts in the area I think the best map though is the land use map where you can see that we are adjacent the the site is res 3 and we are adjacent to Res 3 public semi-public res-9 res 6 and RoR so like Clark said it's very um mix matched in the area here is a location map of our site in relation to the nearest rural character area which is about a mile to the east at its closest point and then here's a brief overview Tammy already went through this but our request um I'm not sure if Clark said this but we did remove one of the variation requests the T-Type turnaround requests

we decided to remove that so we're now only requesting two variations the relief for continuation of existing Street pattern and waiver of substandard Road Improvement here's our master plan so you can see we have our main access points to the north and to the South there's a collector spine road going through the center of the property and then we have um a secondary connection going to Eden to the West and then we do have an option for an emergency connection to the north to that Lake Marinette mobile home park that that's a privately maintained roadway system so it will likely only be used for emergency access if at all here are examples this is copied from our master plan and these are examples of housing types that we're proposing single family detached attached Villas and Townhomes and the multi-family detached and attached product that's your build for rent that you're seeing now this is the non-binding concept plan that we submitted with the mpud so this is in our binding master plan but it's a way to kind of see how the development will occur and I I added the red the red lines here of where we're gonna we've proposed a fence along the buffer to these residential areas that kind of came up when we were at Planning Commission we added that as a condition so you'll see that I think it's condition number nine apartment chair because that's a question can you go back one slide real quick you'll probably help me here yeah thanks so much um Lake I say Lake Maine Lake Marinette Lake Marinette goes by a few different names maybe okay and so that's pretty dense there what is what is that um it's zoned RMH and it's a it's a manufactured home park okay so that's all built out now correct yes so that's pretty a yeah yeah so they're pretty so we're lucky we're talking like they're 30 foot Lots 20 foot Lots right yes I think so yeah all right cool thank you so this is a conclusion slide we're I believe that we're consistent with um Res three future land use category the North Market area the Land Development code we're compatible with the surrounding land use pattern while improving the value in the community and staff does recommend approval so I guess I'll hand it to Steve good evening Steve Henry Langston associate 5023 West Laurel Tampa 33607 we conducted the timing and phasing and access management analysis for the project and the analysis included evaluation of Little Road Denton Avenue and Houston Avenue and based on the results of that analysis all the roadway segments within the study area operate at the acceptable VC ratio the volume to capacity ratio established in the code um we also looked at the the project access and even though some of them weren't warranted we've agreed to build left and right turn Lanes on both

Houston Avenue and on Denton Avenue at the project accesses for those uh and one of the issues that had come up previously was the growth rate that's utilizing the analysis in fact we looked at the Historical growth rates based on dot counts in the area and the growth is is virtually zero uh based on the historical counts along U.S 19 and other roads in the area but we used two percent in our analysis but knowing that there's another project to the east we actually looked at that added that to our background traffic so we use a two percent growth rate plus then we added in that additional project there to the East and the roadways will still operate at acceptable VC ratio with our project with a growth rate of two percent plus the additional project to the east so that concludes my presentation unless you've got any questions Madam chair yep did you calculate in the industrial park 168 industrial park that abuts the property as well to the other side of the road we no we we looked at a two percent growth rate so we we don't typically when we do these I know I know it was good yeah so you haven't looked what the industrial park may do correct I understand there may be a couple of other projects in the area I haven't seen them yet but I've heard that they're out there have you looked at any other projects that may be out there and you know if there's any others I do not know of specifically of any other projects and and that's why we use we look at historical growth rates and that's why we use it at least a minimum of a two percent growth rate to account for those other projects that may come in that are out there but you can't we can't add every single project in the county and every analysis so that's why what we try to do is is even go above and beyond what historically we've seen in the area do you look at what other effects may be on other roads such as kitten Trail in front of the school that goes on that's jam-packed right now well we we have looked at that not specifically in our analysis we did not look at that but we have looked at that you know part of that is not necessarily a capacity one it's two miles from our project so not even within our study area our impact on that road would be de minimis but we did look at that knowing that that was a concern and part of it is that you've got that roadway and you've got the access to the school you've got that kitten Trail in New York all with no turn Lanes on any driveway on any roadway so it's an operational issue more so than necessarily a capacity issue in in just looking at at what's happening out there but that is you know a and I suspect during the school hours it may be a congested area because there are no turn Lanes but from an impact from this project it would be de minimis it's two miles away and so we don't we did not look at that because of that reason so the schools are packed right now there's going to be extra capacity go into the schools how many trips are going to go into for the students I might be a question for Clark

so with all the new students that can be going to that complex and at quarter seven in the morning until 7 20 7 30 almost it's jam-packed now but you don't I'm not through talking I'm sorry so even though you're saying it's de minimis too it with all the extra trips that are going to go to that school even as it goes capacity even it's not from all your development but the next one to it they're going to be at full capacity now and having driven through the school with no basic traffic going in there right now the limitations are very very constrained for what they can do for improvements um with all that said even though you've done a traffic study you really can't account for what's going to happen any further in that area from Kitten Trail to Hudson to New York Ave with your study we did not specifically look at kitten Trail in our study no we did not so thanks any other clock you want to speak about that I'm like I think I think Steve answered the the basic question let me just uh I know you're going to get comments from your neighbors and I know I mean let's just get this out on in the open everybody knows that I think what started the concern of some of our neighbors is after we filed this project and we're proceeding along for a while another project over by kitten Trail was filed that's a couple of I think it's twice as large as this project and I think the neighbors are worried about you know what's the collective impact on the area and so I'm not going to run from that and and I think we have a couple of answers that may allay some of the concerns of our neighbors let me just tell you what we've done in the last little bit because we're not unmindful of the of the the needs of our neighbors just I want to run through how this stuff Evolved first thing we did was and I'm trusting that that was not paused while Steve was answering that because I don't think we've taken up that much time yeah okay so uh number one as I said we limited the access to Lake Marinette to emergency access only so the HOA maintains the roads there we are not going to be putting trips through that uh it's zoned mobile home it's manufactured housing community and I want those folks to know that secondly just to be clear we're building a one mile long unloaded meaning there are no units on its spine Road through our site that will connect Denton to Houston so all of the people in the area will be able to use that collector Road system which we're building at our cost when we're done next uh we are have agreed in the conditions that Tammy passed out there were two new conditions we had one is we're going to build an eight foot wide multi-use path across the entirety of our project which is a half mile wide you heard about the fences and extra Landscaping we're doing with the existing residential that are to our

areas but the biggest thing and this is what the Board needs to understand is we're proposing that we are going to segregate all of the mobilities from fees from this project which by my estimation is 6.7 million dollars because I think the neighbors are worried about how these two projects work together okay we are proposing to segregate all those fees and only use them for transportation pedestrian or bicycle improvements from the area from Little Road to Coyote and from Houston down to Hudson and that is a large sum of money that I'm quite certain that any of the operational issues down on kitten in that area having to do with school access and stuff can be solved but there are no uh capacity deficiencies nor nor are there site access deficiencies for our project at this time this is just an extra thing that we're doing so that the neighbors can see that if our project builds out we're contributing to the area and making sure that the area will have the improvements it needs to be served both for the existing development and and State of Affairs and our development I did want to point out again just to reiterate that Anna said we we're hereby removing the alt standard request for the T turn around also um and just going back to the previous condition about the mobility fees this allows the county and the board and its discretion to determine where those funds are spent so the board would be identifying we've done this on a couple of projects now done on Newport Corners did on Two Rivers the board can determine over time whether that money is all needed to be spent there and how it should be sent spent and I think that's the right way to do it because right now we're hearing concerns and we know we're going to have videos from Neighbors showing kitten Trails an issue but it may be that the construction of a couple at turn Lanes will resolve that issue and we also will have money to build a lot of other pedestrian improvements out there that maybe make the situation safer for the kids going to school and resolve any operational issues yes sir um on condition 37. it says uh a hundred percent of any MPD single-family residential lots shall be 40 foot wide if such lots are Reloaded in addition any reloaded Lots with Alice should qualify for the traditional neighborhood design rate in the County's Mobility fee schedule without needing to meet tnd code requirements flexibility should be given for any alley loaded or railroaded development what does that do to the amount of money you think we're going to get at 6.7 million dollars that's something are we even planning on doing that no no get there commissioner this this is a condition we're not even doing this this is a condition that I think has to do with the changes in the mpud uh conditions if you do tnd if you're doing rear loaded

Lots this doesn't even apply so that's it's not going to affect it we're not going to we're doing really yeah we're not we're not building any rear loaded or tnd stuff I think this is a stock condition now from that memo that we did on 40 foot Lots that's all this is we're not we're not doing that and I I am here by confirming on the record we're not doing tnd we're not doing real loaded so it will not affect the amount of Mobility generated can I ask a question on that though are you do have a mixture of lot sizes yes we do require we do we're gonna have more 50s than 40s okay just for staff that'll do like commission moment I'll just get on my soapbox for a minute here anytime we're doing an mqd I think we should have a site plan I will tell you I'm very disappointed just see a site plan presented to us now when even as we talked about I asked for a site plan if we had any that nobody had one I apologize commissioner that's been we've it's always in our filing I thought you had access it's in acella it shouldn't be a surprise that we have to submit a non-binding concept plan with every mpud so I apologize if that wasn't in your baggage it was at the time of filing it's it's no secret on these um okay can I ask a question on that all right so when we met I did see this road that is the spine Road right and I did ask you if there was possibility of swinging the bottom of that over to the West in hopes that one day um if the county we're so inclined to help because I think that's what it would take it would connect to the other Hicks but there's some property in the way that's not their responsibility um you're talking about align the corner yeah I think that would be well beneficial if we did look at it and that there's a couple of big problems there we looked at it at some detail and Brian surek with Clearview Land Design is here the issue is we have to build turn Lanes to get into our project and there are about 500 feet long on the eastbound left that has to go into the project and they're simply not right away on Denton Avenue there's you'd have to acquire I think it was 32 feet of right-of-way from five or six different property owners and we have no way of knowing that that's possible in any kind of timely basis to build our only access point into the project from the south they just we and there are other issues number one I mean it blows up a lot of our you know yield uh because it's swing the road through the center of the development but that's really not the issue the issue is more we don't have any weight to build it just doesn't work the reason just for everyone's benefit the reason the access road is where it is now is it aligns with the entrance to the RV park with the 300 and some odd units to our South and we have very long turn Lanes into there just to ensure safety and that we're not stopping traffic on Denton or creating a problem

with the the through condition so that's why [Music] I'm sure to follow along that same line when I look at the connection we'll talk about Eden Road in a minute um why are we getting the waivers for not bringing that road up the standards I'm not sure uh I think should be a connection there as well at least an emergency connection set up but as far as that that road in Hicks Road lining right up there even if you kept your maintenance you know because your left turn lanes and right left ins and left right outs over in that other intersection that still is going to be an important I think way for if someone hitting no self that connection it looks like you've got a wetland area that's there but if you just have it looks like it's just one parcel to me that you would need below that Wetland area to actually take that road in and let that hook over and then connect from there so as far as you're losing a ton of units or whatever I'm not I I don't see where you actually use a lot maybe not for the primary entrance but just for other people to get out another way well I mean I'm I'm going off of what our Engineers told us about the loss of units here but again the bigger issue and and I've got a an exhibit I don't know I guess we could put it on the Elmo yo can y'all put something out this is just something this isn't the most ornate graphic we've ever gotten but I just want to show you where the issue is you have to have an eastbound left into the site and when it gets it up you'll see that there is just not enough right away and I can come have our our engineer Brian explained why that is but there's simply not enough right away to build any turn Lanes right now so we I mean we can't not have turn Lanes into a development with 800 units that's off of a collector road that doesn't work what if it was just a right turn out no you have to have for I mean Steve can you explain the reason for the turn lanes because I'm not sure that accusations but not making it but hitting commissioner Let Me Maybe we I hate to confuse things were you were you suggesting that we have maybe you can you get it yeah I want to see if we're talking about a street connection to our street system or whether you're talking about bringing an unloaded collector Road and Hicks Road up there are you talking about build it right there commissioner can you see it on the Elmo the dark line that's right by the pond the dark blend is right by the pond yes so yeah so so taking it from that yeah connecting from there we could build that as a local Street to have that connection we keep that we can do okay okay that's not a problem the problem is if it's the main entryway yeah that was the only point I was trying to make see that's the one I was like I'm sorry I'm

sorry I misunderstood I'm trying to figure out how we get that and I'll agree to do that or not quite that far yeah it was it's the turn Lanes they were the issue if it was going to be in like a collector Road okay so and now let's go to the condition on Eden Road yeah some stay on the road talk about that and what's what's going on let me let me explain that I think this has been a major misunderstanding we do not want access to Eden Road we never have Eden Rhoden is a mile or mile and a half long dirt road and it's got a bunch of ranchettes on it with larger lots and I really don't believe those people want our people driving you know having 800 units going through their area all we agreed to was staff is we're going to stay stabilize a roadway from there through our site so if any of those people want to drive through our roadway system to get to our new spine road to get out to Houston or Denton they may do so but we do not want access to that row we would never build a new 800 unit community and Mark it off of that road that was never our intent I mean keep in mind we're adjacent to two County collector roads and we're building the connection there right so Eden Rose goes out to 19 is the LDC by condition making you would they make you bring that road up to stand to go out absolutely not because we're not proposing a connection to it that we we didn't propose a connection again this was just an accommodation to staff to allow those folks into our site we weren't even proposing to have that when we started okay I'll let you continue in the world that's all it's going to say for now Commissioners I'm happy to answer any other questions but I think I really want to hear from our neighbors and answer some of their questions let me ask a question was asking me by one of the neighbors as well as far as with all the wetlands in the area that's making you design it the way you are right condition 33 talks about a basin of special concern um far as I'm concerned I don't think we've I don't think we've done Us best based on a special concern up there and it says if the Basin of special concern will comply um if it's there that you'd have to comply to it looking at so much Wetland there would you comply to the meeting the basement concern requirements anyway I don't think we can do that commissioner because what that makes you do is build uh you know flood plain and but mainly drainage facilities that are significantly more than or even required I really need to ask Brian sirak to address that here's Brian Brian's engineer of record I am 99 sure we are not in a basin of special concern but I'm sure you're not it's in the collection though first I want him to address that then he can explain why we can't do it good afternoon Brian surac with Clearview Land Design I have been sworn

um the project is not in a mapped Basin of special drainage based on a special concern of Pasco County however we are aware that there are some um flooding issues um in the area during hurricanes and that kind of thing so although we are not designing to the specific um trains based on special concern criteria our current design allows no discharge off-site right if I was to make a motion at a later time with the board of County Commissioners to have this looked at as based on a special concern and it comes back to that it is based in a closed base and a special concern either open or closed would you be willing to comply to whatever requirements that are put I don't know how that exactly works but uh you know like I said I mean we we're not meeting the letter of every single requirement of that code but we're meeting probably 90 percent of it with our current design it seems zero discharge during the regular events yes I was just commissioner maybe maybe this is a way of getting at what you want there's a completely different storm event you have and a bunch of assumptions you have to make on a basis a special concern and I think I don't think we can do that if it doesn't exist for a couple of reasons but not the least of which is the district's not going to review it on that basis and I don't think the county can because it doesn't apply so they're not going to make you or even understand why you're submitting that but I think what Mr shurak said is we can design it under the regular assumptions but design it to assume that there is zero discharge from the site which I think May accomplish your goal from which storm event though there's like I think the stronger events in this Basin of special concern that aren't with the regular code for zero discharge which is commissioner I mean I again I'm trying to get it what you want to get but I don't think you can ask somebody not in a basement special concern to design to a base and a special concern that just doesn't make any sense well and again if I had them study to it was my first question would you then be willing to comply to it even though it's after the factor just the big difference is you would end up with creating gigantic ponds that you don't need I mean he's saying he's going to design a pine a pond system on site that will ensure that there's zero discharge but if we go based upon what storm event though I think that the storm events get stronger in the Basin of special concern it's a completely different storm event but but that what I'm trying to say is you would be creating a gigantic Pond system that's not needed it's you're I don't think you can mix them it's apples all right so so what I'm saying is if they if staff studied it to find out if it was a patient a

special Basin a face of a special concern then would you comply with what they found if if the board adopts the resolution saying it's a basin of special concern we will absolutely follow that even if it's after the fact because it may take some time to study it as well well I mean commissioner um we've never done that to anybody yeah yeah that that wouldn't be I don't know I don't know how I feel it well if the base of the special concern was declared before they got their site plans in and it was right very appropriate timing that it it was that we adopted it they were in the I mean not they were in the ground but they were if they were going through the process right and the board adopts a resolution finding that we're in a basin of special concern before the time we submit for site plan approval we will have to follow it so I hope I hope that maybe that gets what you're speaking about I think that's as good as we can do okay all right let's hear from the public okay um if you have we have a sign up sheet here want me to go in order yes all right I have Cindy almond followed by Linda Bell followed by Debbie I don't know how to pronounce the last name but it starts with I think with an s c have you been sworn yes I have my name is Cindy Allman 17037 Meridian Boulevard Hudson Florida 34667 I have a package that I would like to present to the uh Commissioners while I do my speak on favor aye good afternoon Madam chair and Commissioners thank you for allowing extra time to voice our concerns before you before you start your extra time you um need to have people present who are what who who you're speaking for can we have proof that you have a group with you can you can you raise your hands please if you're having more speaking because it's well if you're raising your hand then she's speaking for you okay all right thank you okay so now can I start yeah yeah okay thank you all right thank you for allowing extra time to voice our concerns over the debt and place project I have put together for your convenience a packet that highlights our concerns in there you will find facts pictures and articles our main concern is our wetlands and the inhabitants that live there as you know there are wetlands on the property where DR Horton plans to develop this particular Wetland is part of the hammock Creek Watershed our watersheds are extremely important not only for water life that call at home but to our survival as well the wetlands help to filter the water that eventually Finds Its way to the Floridian aquifer where we get our drinking water from and so do our neighbors in Central Florida like Pinellas County as of March 2019 a study is underway to see what impact new

developments will have on our Watershed like runoff which includes storms fluids from Vehicles pesticides and fertilizers this study is to be conducted throughout our County and I commend this board for having the foresight to have the study done I know studies like these are not cheap nor quick that is why the board should think twice before allowing any development to start if there are wetlands involved especially since the Tampa Bay Regional planning Council explained that Pasco has a surplus in homes but does not need to but does need concentrate on industry The Watershed report is scheduled to be finished November of 2025. this report will Aid the board in making wise decisions going forward to help protect our environment and our pressure precious water source our wetlands are home to many species including the sandhill crane various Hawks snakes red fox coyotes river otters and the gopher turtle some of these residents are on the threatened species list the gopher tortoise is one of the oldest living species on Earth they are also a keystone species meaning they have an outsized impact on their environment due to the size of their Burrows those barrels can be used by up to 300 other species including rare species like the Eastern indigo snake the Gopher frog Florida Mouse and hundreds of rodents and invertebrates many of these species would die if not for the gopher tortoise and many are on the endangered and threatened list yes the gopher tortoise can be relocated but there's a chance of them turning trying to return and be killed by increased traffic or they may be carrying an upper respiratory tract disease which is highly contagious to other tortoises and just because they have been relocated their roommates have not and they can be buried alive in the boroughs as construction starts or killed by cars as they try to escape the equipment coming in to destroy their homes our second major concern is traffic some of you may know Houston Avenue is our only north-south turn due to the redesign of mediums the main entrance of our subdivision can only make a North churn and then a U-turn to go south on U.S 19 that is not always a fun option to take so most people that want to go south will travel to Houston Avenue to make that South turn unfortunately Houston Avenue sees a lot of truck traffic because of the landfill at the East End of the Road there is anywhere from 70 to 75 trucks a day traveling Houston and they are not only dump trucks but they're also 18 wheelers if anyone has ever been behind an 18-wheeler you have experienced them waiting until all Lanes of traffic are free before they make their turns now I have been behind a couple of 18 wheelers and a couple of dump trucks waiting my turn to cross us 19. and the wait time can be 10 15 minutes or more because there is no signal at the corner of US 19 and Houston Avenue now I know that links and Associates did timing and phasing analysis and access management analysis for this project and

unfortunately the time they considered peak time does not catch all of the workers in our neighborhood I have seen people leave from 4 am on and come home after 6 pm the analysis considered peak times from seven to nine a.m and 4 to 6 p.m the analysis did not take into account the high truck volume the long wait time to go south on U.S 19 Nor the other new subdivisions that are being planned on Denton Avenue and kitten Trail that cut through to head north to avoid traffic breakups on Denton Avenue the report did indicate that traffic light would be required at Houston Avenue and US 19 in the future according to the plans Denton Place project has a street that will be across from Meridian Boulevard our residents are concerned about how the developer plans to handle the traffic that wants to cross over Houston Avenue and use Meridian Boulevard to make their way North Meridian is a private road that starts right after Peter Avenue it is a single Lane substandard Road and is known to flood and with flooding comes potholes that residents have to fix it will be extremely unfair to the residents to have to take on the extra burden to keep repairing their portion of the road because a new subdivision was added to the neighborhood if the developer is going to allow access to Meridian Boulevard then they should pay and standardize the private sections of Meridian and not assess the residents another concern we have is flooding that occurs during heavy rains the developer has planned to put two Retention Ponds on the side of the road on Houston Avenue but the land is higher than the rest of the road going west and the gravity starts to work water will run down a hill and flooding that occurs at Houston and all of our streets will be worse than it is now the Mohawk the mobile home that sits on the corner always seems to have a soggy yard during heavy rains if the development has to raise the land for any reason you just created a bowl effect for the mobile home Community the same situation happened when Heritage fines completed their build out and is now flooding Philly Lane which has yet to be addressed there's also flooding that happens at Houston Avenue and Otto Lane and on the private section of Meridian Boulevard ma'am how much longer do you have uh just a little bit longer like one more minute okay you gave me 10 minutes I thought we gave you five no you gave me 10 minutes good there are concerns over the volume of traffic that are going to encounter Hudson or Hudson Avenue Meridian Denton Avenue kitten Trail Little Road and Hudson Avenue the traffic realm school is now a nightmare with cars dropping off picking up in school buses trying to make their rounds this concern should be addressed prior to any new developments that will be added to the congestion all developments going in within a certain mile radius need to be taken into account as one large development and not individuals to gain a real insight to the problems they may create it is

better to handle than before than after the residents start sitting in traffic for a longer commute time shortages are another issue to consider before development starts to take place we are already seeing shortages of personnel from nurses and doctors firefighters ems's to teachers and bus drivers and more just because there is an influx of people moving to Florida does not mean that they will be working when they get here many be maybe retirees that don't plan to work again there are also fire station shortages in the meeting on May of 2022 this was brought up with comment that the developments are going in faster than a single fire station can be built I was told by a woman and her 90 year old mother along with her 90 year old neighbor was turned away from a hurricane shelter because it was full during Irma that always seems to be a problem that an area will stand before proper infrastructure is in place for example roads signals drainages water sewer electrical grids schools fire station police stations Hospital hurricane shelters Etc we ask that you look closely at what is needed before you approve of trees and land being destroyed to make a new development that an area could not support at this time one final concern is that the developer themselves I have done the research on DR Horton and have found that there are a very large company that operates throughout the United States there are multiple violations against this company in many States including Florida the violations range from environmental Wetlands to poor Construction there is even a case in South Carolina that has gone from a state case to a federal case so you see we have real concerns with the developer and our precious Wetlands so up to you our elected officials to decide if this development really needs to move forward or if it needs to be put on hold until more facts are produced and a watershed report is finished and I have one final comment and this is directed to attorney Hobby when we were at the planning and rezoning meeting that was held in August of 2022. we made a comment and salted myself and my neighbors he said that our neighborhood was indeed in need of major repair well with all due respect sir we do not feel that way we have people that have lived in the neighborhood 20 30 40 and 50 years we like our neighborhood just the way it is peaceful and quiet and pretty much Crime Free we don't want to hear traffic noise Sirens or have perfect Lawns we enjoy those arms of natures the songs of roosters goats horses and geese so for you to make your comment about our neighborhoods was wrong because we love our neighborhood we don't make comments about your neighborhood we just choose not to live in it so with that being said we expect an apology thank you madam chair and Commissioners for hearing our concerns we appreciate your time your consideration on this

development and hope that all is said here today will help you make the right decision not only for the people of Hudson but the animals and the environment as well thank you good week no you cannot clap you cannot clap from from out there so thank you very much did you raise your hand um Linda Bell okay but some of those people raise their hands didn't you didn't you raise your hand because I thought I saw you raise your hand yeah well Ms almond time did you not raise your hand earlier yeah yeah this is I know it got messed up I'm sorry then we're gonna fix this for all future commissioners um we said that if that she got a lot more time than we ever give uh non-um applicants because she was speaking for the group out there it was a little confusing so yeah can I speak not if you raised your hand which sorry you raise your hand she was speaking for it yes she she got a lot of extra time to to speak I didn't understand you said was she speaking for everybody yes yeah because she she got normally we would give five minutes for a group and we gave her ten two minutes I'll tell you what we'll give you one and a half Madam chair Madam chair I mean the weight hang on for a second man the way that was explained it was confusing so I I will tell you she's been working so hard I mean to put this brochure together for her to speak she's not speaking for people not even just here that could make it yeah no I know she did but okay no no well not this late I'm the one before that spoke that you gave 10 minutes to with all the time she spent she's speaking for more than just people in the audience today you can't do that you only can speak a a person for the public can only in this kind of situation unless you're president of an HOA those are rules but you only need five people to not necessarily okay please go but thank you name is Linda Bell I'm a retired Pasco County school teacher and I've lived in lived it for 50 years did you give your address oh one eight three two nine Branch Road and he's been sworn thank you and what I'm going to do is I'm I'm going to write a very short uh not very good Russell Means is a Lakota uh Native American and I'm just going to say a few words that he did that I feel is pertinent to what's happening and it said if all the four-legged creatures were taken from the earth there would be no life if all the winged creatures were taken from the earth there would be no life if all our relatives who crawl and swim and live within the Earth were taken away there could be no life but if all the human beings were taken away life on Earth would flourish that's how insignificant we are now let's leave a little blue in the sky and a little

green on the ground but I it's just we I've lived here 50 years and it just seems like Pasco County can't be satisfied until all the trees are gone but and I'm not sure why we think we have the right to destroy more animal habitats and I appreciate Miss Starkey what you said about one-third of Pasco County being uh reserved but what does that mean to the animals that are constantly being uh disrupted and destroyed so that's all I I have to say thank you thank you very much no clapping I'm sorry it's not allowed okay um is there anyone online that wishes to speak oh there's a lot more people I know but a lot of them raised their hand for you okay come on up if you didn't raise your hand this could be a real mess I guess I could I can look at the YouTube and go backwards Tammy sliger the owner and founder of kitty at branch my address is 15232 Mattis Road Hudson Florida and then I know you put your hand up but yes ma'am and I was sworn in the beginning thank you it's an audio recording so we can't see you can proceed so listening to the concerns and especially in the beginning um of this whole thing that started which everybody knows this all started with the Deton and Mattis project well being a resident on Mattis and Denton and having a therapy Branch for special needs children adults and veterans we see firsthand the impact of the driving the school buses the busyness of a two-lane Highway you have large trucks that are coming through you have school buses that are stopping you have a low income housing development right at the corner of Little Road in Denton you have children that are literally standing on the side of that road waiting for a school bus I just had enough you hit buy a vehicle waiting for his school bus okay seven years old he says safety on his entrance for where his town homes are going to be my mother lives in Three Lakes Wherever You Are and I hope that he's serious about that because see we see firsthand the firefighter Trek's coming the balls of fire going into the field and the property on Mattis Road we also are part of a really bad road which is Mattis Road where people are coming in and they're turning it's a Lime Rock Road and I have to worry about a handicap vehicle being able to get down that dirt road and not bottom out their handicapped vehicle so yes is it great to see a flourishing Pasco yes it is but we have to consider the rural area that we have my Ranch

is part of horses pigs ducks chickens and donkeys and you know what they do they change the life of a handicapped child they help a veteran with PTSD and so when you start taking away the things that we utilize to change the lives of the people in Pasco County now you're doing a disservice I know the economics and I though the blooming and the flourishing of the county but we still have to serve the people well that's important and I think that that needs to be heard and I think that that needs to be at Forefront of votes and that's all that I have for you today until the next meeting thank you very much thank you thank you for the great work you do you do a phenomenal job thank you okay next uh oh you want to go go by well if unless it ways Madam chairman I would recommend that you go through the sign up the list that they've signed up and take three take them at three minutes a piece based on what's happened is this procedure for all Commissioners on on how we're going to do this going forward because there was confusion in upstairs and other places on how we could allow times sorry next time in a list of who they're speaking for that's what your rules for require okay may I request five minutes you have three minutes thank you good afternoon my name is Tracy Lowe I reside in Hudson Florida I was sworn in I'm here to ask for continuance for the Denton Place mpud rezoning requests as it violates land code review considerations for zoning changes as this proposed change will adversely affect living conditions and immediate surrounding neighborhoods our community has three high density developments proposed within our rural community the DND LLC Townhomes the dent place and PUD and the dent Avenue and PUD each development's impact is looked at on an individual basis I ask you to take this opportunity to pause and continue this public Hearing in order to consider the cumulative impact of the three developments in their 2586 dwellings I respectfully ask you to consider the following when considering a continuance or denial number one our current infrastructure is presently failing and was built for AR and AC zoning not high density developments this is evidenced by the roadway failures around Hudson school campuses I recently emailed the entire commission a YouTube link to Drone footage of this problem adding three more high density developments zoned for this campus will be catastrophic number two the timing and phasing studies done for these developments are not accurate they are based on a two percent annual growth according to the U.S census Pasco County in Pasco County there's a 3.9 growth from April 2020 to July 2021. despite an underestimation of this growth the

timing and phasing studies shows that just one of the three proposed developments increases our communities am traffic by 129 and PM traffic by 120 percent now I ask you what does the cumulative effect of all three of these developments do to our traffic number three there are currently no sidewalks crosswalks street lights for children walking to school for Mr Goodfield from Pasco County Schools the children in both the DND townhomes and the Denton Avenue project neighborhood will be walking to school and if the dent Avenue project provides connection from Denton and to kitten as proposed a walking route would possibly be updated for those students living in Denton Place what's this being children in all three developments will be walking to school along kitten Trail and Hicks Road in the dark through drainage ditches with no street lights or sidewalks or crosswalks at times of peak traffic volume I ask you shouldn't the safety of our children be Paramount number four the county does not own enough right-of-way for sidewalks in our area and what they do own is currently being used for drainage Mr hobby himself said today we do not own enough right away how long will this take years lastly the school impact analysis for these developments individually are not concerning however cumulatively capacity the capacities of all three developments exceed the 2025 Pasco County comprehensive plans level of service standards in addition these analysis do not acknowledge that Hudson has now had has a Cambridge program encouraging enrollment from outside of the zoning thank you okay uh excuse me you'll be removed from the room you cannot do that thank you did you um did you raise your hand to allow the speaker I did okay so I think you've had your I think you wielded your opportunity to not me I didn't okay you know you've been rude I don't know why why you're so rude you give all these I'll be fine pick it up here you're like let's go can you explain the rules Madam chairman I advised you to take the take give them three minutes a piece okay all right go ahead name and address for the record please Debbie Schumacher 10507 Houston Avenue Hudson Florida when I moved here from it to Hudson was a beautiful Place hunting a fishing Paradise I can remember driving down the road and seeing rows and rows of orange trees beautiful it was beautiful okay the trees were blossomed you could smell the blossoms for miles but now can you find an orange tree anywhere here the wildlife with many and the fishing was great but now the rivers and the Gulfs are polluted and the sea life is dying off and so are animals one will when will Pasco County Commissioners and Planters stop and say no more

we tear down the wildlife habitats we build more homes businesses and schools why don't we have enough now it's because we love is it because of Love of Money is money more important than our beautiful community do you want to do you want destruction more than you want excuse me I'm okay take a deep breath just do you want to destroy what beauty we have left in Hudson do we want to see growth or more homes or businesses what about repairing and having and repairing what we have damaged let's clean up the community and have that we have now together do something to help it not to hurt it not to tear it down each day another area of wildlife is being photos and in the name of progress really keep doing what you're doing and you'll destroy what little we have left I live in a very quiet neighborhood where the neighbors are few and far between where you can breathe it's a very peaceful area no noise no air pollution no crime no drugs can you find places like that today we don't need 804 family homes we need to protect our Wildlife here in the community this area that we want to build on is homes to many animals developers start to build up instead of out with land becoming scarce it is sometimes hard to imagine that even Cody island is gone wiped off the map during the developers of Hudson Beach Estates upon man-made lands in exchange for Cody's Island residents thank you very much Hudson Beach we need to be here closed you know clothes for parts of the Year man with high back with a high excuse your time ma'am um but we're not sure if we got your address for the record we think we got your 507 Houston Avenue thank you okay next hello my name is Andrea Clark and I'm the founder and president of their happy Therapy Services and Ohana Preparatory skilled Day program at Ohana Farms I'm also a speech language pathologist and I appreciate you letting me speak can you give us your address too please um utilizes land located at 15901 Coyote Road as well as 11820 Denton Avenue both Hudson three four six six seven ma'am have you been sworn I have yes thank you go ahead um the two properties occupy can take you as 30 Acres at the southwest corner of Denton Avenue and Coyote Road our practice currently serves approximately 500 special needs children per week we hold a Health Care Clinic exemption license issued by the Florida Department of Health we also conduct a skilled Day program where children attend Services four days per week we're located on this large Farm property because we specialize in the use of hippotherapy which is the use of equine movement as a

component of their medical treatment plans on this land we house nine horses two miniature horses and three goats as part of our treatment for which we serve our children since beginning our work at this location we've realized quite a transformation um of the land that we occupy and have had to maintain a very careful balance between accommodating the needs of our children as well as the needs of the property in which we serve our children over the course of the seven years that we've occupied this property we've watched our very gently traversed roads wash away we've seen more and more native animals Secrets refuge on our open lands bake space and seeking new homes from the current slow building that's taken place in the surrounding in the development of the surrounding areas of our property we've been fortunate to be able to meet the impact that our current land use has had on our property with consistent soil and ground restoration and nourishment projects we've had seven years to observe these processes and carefully formulate plants to balance the effects um I see as well as the effects of the building around our property moreover we've actually gone through zoning and permitting to construct more building and cover more of our property and concrete in order to serve more of the children who so critically need our services in this process we had a traffic study completed that did not indicate that we would need to add a traffic light in order to accommodate our building project in all honesty the many housing developments that are hoping to join our community would be great for our organization organizations growth and finances the concrete roads fiber internet City water and sewage that would come with all of this development would make life a lot easier for us in fact however we already have more children and families in our existing Community than we're able to serve we have many children on our facilities waiting list we've had to turn several families away from enrollment in our program this year because we simply do not have the current physical capacity to adequately meet the needs of all the children who would like who we would like to serve furthermore we've experienced great difficulties in Staffing our program to responsibly serve the children as well as to um to care for the animals who who help to serve our children for these reasons and many other reasons it's simply neither was reasonable nor responsible to continue to outgrow our area Beyond what's already possible for us as a community currently manage as an organization we've made the decision to significantly downsize and reduce the scope of our building projects as as it is far more important that we take the time to responsibly use our land so that we may serve for many years to our children for many years to come this lunch every this lunchevity relies on the health and well-being of

our horses which in turn relies on the health and well-being of the land on which we work thank you very much in closing we also hope to teach our children the Great Value in malama Aina thank you Hawaiian for caring for our land thank you and thank you for what you do okay next Martha Rose are you Martha no okay we need Martha next unless she raised her hand and is willing to waver time okay um and uh who's who's after Martha we have William Humphries following uh Miss Rose so Mr Humphries if you line up behind Miss Rose mm-hmm my request is that you gift email you need to give your name and address for the record and you have three minutes after that thank you [Music] Trail Hudson Florida 34669 thank you and Miss Rose you've been sworn yes she spoke earlier I know but you have to have it for the record okay thank you I read the code it says that when the when you deny a request that they have six months that before they can apply again so I'm requesting denial not approval with conditions if you approve the zoning change my question is what do you hope to have have for the benefit of the current residence not the ones that you hope are coming in not anything else but the current ones that pay your taxes that elect you what do you hope to do to benefit us also in the plan my question is this plan that we're following was made 30 years ago that would have been about 18 1982. whereas of Agriculture and Animal Land in that plan for here for this day and age is there anything in Pasco County that you have designed for what we have here this is your time this is your time to speak to us for three minutes speaking to you I'm asking your gut questions I'm asked you don't have to answer me but I want you to think on this I'm a citizen I've been here since 1995. I love this area and I want you to think about what we're thinking about not what Tampa is thinking about not what Wesley Chapel is thinking about necessarily but about Hudson and us we're different we're not even Starkey park which is how do you like Trinity do you love all that traffic do you love all that stuff we don't necessarily want that okay um along my um Mattis Road which is because I live on kitten kitten tees into Denton and East Road and so as that little complex is getting busier and busier and busier then there's kitten goes all the way down to Hicks it floods Hicks floods oh Ma'am you still had you still had one more minute no you have another one that's your one minute warning well Madam chairman I might yield my time [Laughter] um along Mattis Road I stopped and

interviewed people along that road um took some pictures yes they cut down on the pine trees already so that's not a concern um there's between 5 and 20 acres is what the people had the code says that the things that come beside this area should replicate it so that would mean instead of 800 houses you would have 30. residents and if you let's see where's my math I hope it's good a third of the residents on 300 acres compliant to what we have already is about 30 residences are 15. or if you do five acres it's 60. just follow the code there's your there's your buzzer thank you okay um who's up after him following Mr Humphries is Tammy and Doug sliger good afternoon good afternoon chair my name is William Humphries 19437 blossombein Lane in Lutz and I'm here to speak in support of this application because I'm acting at this point in time as the development director for the group of individuals that own the land between 154 Acres uh that borders on Bolton Hicks and New York Avenue that will become a current in pursuit of our efforts with the county and Industrial Park nice and what we have been talking to the county about is uh working in close cooperation with providing the requisite right-of-way land needed to to create the Hicks Road Extension so that the county through the use of the mobility fees that would be generated from this project as well as the one further to the east on Denton Highway or Avenue will allow for the county to have the funding to put in the extension for Hicks Road and improve it from Denton Highway all the way down to at least New York Avenue this will help relieve dramatically the traffic problems that have been addressed by a lot of the residents here today and permit the county to put in not only the a Transportation Corridor but also provide for due to the width of the uh right-of-way that will be provided for uh pedestrian as well as bicycle traffic in that area it will also allow for the Improvement of Bolton Avenue and New York Avenue and for a traffic signal at the intersection of hicks and New York Avenue as part of our overall plan that we want to submit to the county at a later date so we see a real benefit in allowing this project to move forward because the industrial park that we're going to create is going to generate a lot of new jobs and these people are going to need a place to live and they're going to need to be moving into these neighborhoods and the neighborhoods that don't have the capability right now to support what we're going to be bringing to this part of the county so we see a real benefit a real Synergy and certainly a a Harmony between the residential development that is being proposed here with uh uh Denton

place as well as the one further to the east of a similar nature we will be right in the middle and and with the improvements to the roads and to the uh to the area we see real harmony with all of it coming together so we're very much in support of it especially because we can be the the Catalyst providing for the Hicks Road Extension thank you thank you very much can I ask him a question and I'm very supportive of this Industrial Park Bill I'm very glad you're doing it I want to help you and I appreciate your cooperation because you need it from us to get Hicks Road built but do you have any substantial facts that you say in the employment we have in the area can't support your Industrial Development yes uh the development itself the area desperately needs to have employment because that area has been in need of it for a long time as you know this part of the county does not have a an existing large Industrial Park opportunity we're going to provide that the summit I'm asking though I'm saying with the people that live in this area okay and I've talked to experts on the area what they say is what we need is industrial parks to support the people in this area I don't need more people all right so I don't need more people just to support your Park I've got enough people around right thank you right well thank you [Laughter] yeah all right I Believe Miss Tammy had spoken previously she's the one with Kitty up Ranch so my next person I have is Amy Madera followed by Cesar Madeira I did sign it that's okay we're following the last stuff we got a long list no I'm just it's a long list I'm getting through the name yeah sorry okay is Amy here oh no Amy's not here Amy Madera and Cesar Madeira okay don't go too far let's see then I have um Ken Howard followed by Joan Herbert Howard I live on 1117 kitten Trail in Hudson uh my main concerns are I've seen no proposal have you been sworn yeah thank you okay and uh is about the sewer and water a few no proposals on and now many of us around the area uh on kitten Trail have had my well gone deeper five years ago because of the Watershed dropping my neighbor just last year I had to go 20 feet deeper with her well now I know a lot of people in the area going through the same thing now everybody knows the water don't come out of the sky except for when it rains but they have to hit the Watershed to get well water for your 800 homes and propose 1600 homes undeton Avenue project we will be losing water I mean it's uh nobody's going to pay for me to hook up to the county water because it's not available now about as far as the sewer goes in that stuff we see no proposal for sure on it I'm sure or I hope at least they would hook the County Sewer which is a

water Reclamation site uh on both sides north and south of Denton Avenue now in 2008 they had a major spill at this site and which didn't have residents north of Denton Avenue had to be supplied with counting Water by a truck is this going to be able to uh accommodate what these people are proposing in homes this is Michael certain thank you I get that answer thank you and Herbert followed by Elizabeth Fielder I just wanted to make you aware of some things that maybe you didn't we'll need your name and address again and if you've been 2607 it's my first time doing this 12607 Little P Court Hudson Florida and it's Warren Martin you've been sworn you have to say if you've been sworn or not on the record um I live off the little Peak Court which is right there near Oakwood and if you any of you have ever gone down Oakwood it is not even a 90 degree turn it's like a almost a 180 turn so any traffic coming down kitten trail from uh Denton um there's quite a few near-misses and stuff people go scattering because you can't really make that turn without going into the southbound lane and I got a small car we have three three bends we just recently lost another motorcycle rider over thought the bend and ended up hitting a tree dying uh on the second Bend is that one that's people don't realize that it's more than again more than a 90 degree angle almost and and I guess they can't widen it because of the property you got to buy people's property we have a lot of problems there a lot of power lines go down constantly and then there is a um my when you come out of little Peak Court I actually have to to make a right-hand turn gotta Edge out almost into the road which forces the people coming south to go under the lane a little bit because I can't see past that property to make my right hand turn so there's a lot of traffic issues that happen and the speed limit the cops are there all the time hiding trying to catch the Speeders that come through especially on the Friday nights the guys go drinking and then are coming home and and and things get really crazy on there that no one really ever talks about so that's the traffic on the water end of it that uh trailer park that is on Denton was pumping their water during rainy season they had an agreement I guess with the hay farmer whoever's behind there I don't know the area that well but I know that they got caught pumping the water which then came down and flooded out a lot of the homes on kit and Trail and and like little pea court so then we found out that right now they're flushing the fire hydrants somewhere where y'all had built in in off of Denton and they're flushing on a regular basis and two weeks after you've flushed the hydrants need Pond which nobody talks about which is in that

Hundred Acre Pine hasn't been maintained properly so the overgrowth gets in there so the Pond's not absorbing all the water that it's supposed to take and so two weeks after they flushed the fire hydrants that pond goes up and nobody's doing this Angela in the water department I've called out you know I got my property in 2006 and didn't realize I bought Wetland and I wouldn't I'm from Dunedin my granddad he was a developer you don't buy Wetlands unless you buy a lot of it and you know what you're doing no one told me and I went down and asked with Witnesses so I dug a huge 60 by 20. looks like a sinkhole when it's the dry season but it doesn't take a rain it doesn't take a storm it doesn't take the a hurricane it's when it rains around our area the water seeks the lower area and I've already talked to the engineer who oversees Pasco County he told me Florida's looking into Pasco County because of this water flooding that never flooded before thank you I'm going to ask you to look at that because where they do their Pond if they're doing the ponds too high thank you very much well Swift Mud will regulate all those things okay next Elizabeth Fielder followed by Susan Applegate good afternoon Commissioners I'm Elizabeth Fielder I live at 13822 San Oak Court Hudson Florida I've been sworn in I'm opposed to the rezoning of the p119 Denton Place project in Hudson from agricultural to a Master Plan unit development this area is adjacent to rural neighborhood the proposed over 800 home building project is not compatible with the preservation of the natural environment long-term Agricultural and large lot low density rural uses as per the Pasco County 2025 comprehensive plan specifically chapter 2 On future land use here are four important elements for the board to consider number one Pasco County shall limit the proliferation of a large lot sprawl development pattern over large expanses of land by evaluating the plan amendments my I I want you to consider another option as a development as a conservation subdivision number two protection of rural areas and Rural Transit position areas to implement and enforce policies and programs designed to preserve and reinforce the positive qualities of the rural lifestyle and protect rural communities and agricultural areas we can limit public potable water and wastewater lines from being extended into the rural service area none of the exceptions of this prohibition are met by this project number three as far as a conservation subdivision they shall be designed with a minimum of 50 percent of the gross acreage shall be designated as a conservation open space excluding individual Lots number four I compel the board to consider the standards of review for a rural neighborhood protect from sensory intrusions that inhibit the long-term viability such as noise and light pollution physical access odor or disruptions which may have detrimental effect on the welfare and safety of the

community my recommendations are as follows provide a gradual transition of intensities between different land usage designate new development under the conservation subdivision standard where a minimum of 50 of the gross acreage is designated as conservation Implement and enforce a five-year expiration on developer building permits ensure the commission has good oversight of All Phases of the project to prevent non-compliance with County standards do not Grant density or environmental credits to a developer for wetland areas for new development and if a property is sold the new owner must recommission geological and environmental impact studies in closing any new development shall reflect the character of the surrounding area which is an agricultural neighborhood and asking the board to preserve and protect our rural rural community thank you for your consideration thank you next Susan Applegate and then who's after Susan Pam and I can't see the see the name it just that starts with a w and then I have Gary so so Pam and Gary will line up please well there's a pan I've been sworn in my name is Susan Applegate my address is 16300 Tomahawk Street Hudson Florida I'm speaking on behalf of many people in the area of the said property parcel we really want to save the woods it's old Florida growth first and foremost it is possibly an estuary where the coastal Waters transition from the land to the Gulf of Mexico secondly we need the trees to breathe thirdly it is a natural habitat for wildlife as I've seen it myself and there are some endangered species out there that live there such as gopher turtles the wood stork the Florida scrub jay the red cockadid woodpecker and also the Florida bog frog they're they're amazing by destroying the natural resources for mankind animals birds and reptiles Etc it would be detrimental and unnecessary for the surrounding areas there would be more pollution traffic less resources this land needs to be preserved I moved to have you receive and file I've got some petitions all in favor aye okay thank you that's all I got to say thank you very much thank you very economy hi my name is Wayne Jackson I'm waiting my address is 17814 Meridian Boulevard Hudson Florida 34667 and how were you sworn in yes okay thank you I moved here in 92. I've lived in the same home me too and um I am a former land developer for Hillsborough County I quit it when I got here because I don't want to foul this up I saw a look at Hillsborough County it's swollen they have no area to grow and it wasn't done wisely as you know five out of six of the of the uh County Commissioners went to prison

who've lived there and loved it all this time the roads are horrific if you come there during the morning I think Mr Mourinho may be aware when the schools are in session for a half mile or to a mile any road surrounding you're not going anywhere and the deputies have been out there trying to help and people disregard it and um of course we all moved there because of land our children our animals peace and quiet and now we're the ones being pushed out all these things are concerns that you're all aware of the roads are so bad and it's just not fair that more consideration of course a county has to thrive of course a county has to grow that's a given but as some of the people have said a little more consideration would be nice and um nobody's going to pay the price these people have paid for this land and not get what they want it's just a shame that it can't be a little more condensed and a little more consideration for the people who've been there and loved it all these years and I appreciate your time thank you thank you very much okay um did our online caller leave she did okay she's on okay okay we'll try her again okay Miss Sawyer you have been elevated I see the we are unable to hear you are you there there you are wonderful if you could state your name address and whether or not you've been sworn okay I have been torn I'm Tanya salier1010700 Philly Lane and I'm sure you guys know me by now uh as I have been to many board meetings you're you're using up your time keep keep going okay um when you guys develop in the area without the Watershed study already being done then you guys approve whatever is there um we do not know how further development goes impact our area I have been there many times in order to make sure you guys stop the flooding in our area and I have a winner this isn't going through um without a real word Reverb from the internet I am currently up in my house and um in Augustine Florida but do you guys really need to look at the destruction of our Wildlife Area and how many times we have said our um you building around our area is ruining everything that

we have built for you don't look at the study that you have requested you don't look good Florida Department of Environmental Protections recommendations and you don't look at the overall Environmental impact study which you guys ordered so before you build anything in our area my you think about that study is not going to be done to 2025 you you really think that nobody cares about this area and if you're building and building and building without the Watershed study being done what did you even order it why did you okay all right um so that concludes our public comment and I think I saw the applicant coming back up foreign before the applicant comes up um we had a YouTube video sent to us did everybody take a look at it I I did um um I just want to state that we have a 515 budget hearing that's advertised so if this continues on to 5 15 we will stop and take up P1 20 for our budget and then we will come back to this if we're still going so sorry just be aware I will say we never should have scheduled a long hearing the same day that we have our 5 15 meeting that is we have to stay on time for that I will I will try to make this brief Commissioners uh I just want to say at the get-go I think I misspoke at the Planning Commission I apologize to our neighbors to the southeast and the Indian Oaks Hills what I was trying to say was their roads are in need of assistance I don't think any of the folks who lived there would deny that their dirt roads need to be regraded they're not in great shape I wasn't implying and it didn't mean to imply anything about anyone's homes property or anything like that so I apologize to the extent I misspoke at Planning Commission and I'm sorry about that again I've heard a great many concerns from our neighbors today that are talking about what happens with both of these projects what's going to happen a half mile away a mile and a half away two miles away what happens on kitten Trail again 2.75 miles away from here and what I'm trying to get the neighbors to understand is with the language we're offering today there is going to be created a large sum of money which my estimate is about 6.7 million dollars that the county will have access to to use to construct any number of sidewalk crosswalk bicycle multi-use path right-of-way acquisition commissioner Mariano I know that the acquisition of the right-of-way that is going to be needed for that last stretch of hicks is very important so we can get that industrial guy in there because it's not

just on his site we may have to get some from the neighbor to align the road this funding is going to provide the money for that if for some reason didn't needed to be four laned in a stretch there may even be enough money to four lane a stretch I'm just saying for our neighbors concern and understanding I I suspect that there's a series of site access improvements in this area that are going to make the situation a lot better for our neighbors not only in the current condition but through the build out of the area next thing I was going to say they were discussions about the school board school capacity we get a school board capacity letter from the school board and it said that there are not any issues with capacity taking this project into account and the way standard way that they do it if the other project is added into the area what I'm told by the school board is they still wouldn't need a School site from us and they had several options the school board owns a 40-acre site about a mile and a half south of the existing Hudson campus they may build an all new school there they may rezone our students to the adjacent Cruise Lake District because that's on our Northern boundary our middle school students may not even go to Hudson Middle so there's a lot of options in the school board is not concerned about the issues in a way that they don't find feel that they can find Solutions for everyone's benefit we are not seeking to go beyond the comp plan designation that we have to follow for our site and keep in mind almost all of the property adjacent to our site is denser and planned for denser uses than ours is ours is the lowest it Res three two of our sites adjacent to us are in mobile home parks at very dense or RV parks at very dense uses and their res six or res-9 so they're substantial I mean the res 9 is three times the density of this site Commissioners we need investment in this area and this project is going to over the Long Haul provide the funding that you need to make sure that this area the larger area functions correctly it's not functioning well now as a result of this development this is how you get the money to make the fixes to get the kids safely to school down on kitten Trail 2.5 to 2.75 miles from this site those are not anything that developers are ever asked to do that far off but we've come up with a creative solution that gives the county the control and the county the funds it needs to take care of the area that's why you need to approve this now with regard to the language and the the street connection we talked about before my client has not ever looked at the Geotech for that area and we're a little bit concerned about the Geotech and some of the topographical uh changes in there so I was emailing David in the last few minutes and David I don't have my laptop open could you read in this was the condition that he and I agreed we would add about the street connection so this has also been emailed to the county

attorney but it's the applicant developers will construct a public local roadway connection to the Project's internal roadway Network which will ultimately provide a connection to the north-south collector Road from the intersection of Hicks Road Denton Avenue and less construction of the roadways determined by the county at the time of PSP PDP approval to not be feasible based on geological or other site conditions such local roadway connections shall be constructed or bonded in conjunction with the first record plaid approval for the portion of the project Jason Jensen Avenue no turn Lanes will be required in connection with such local roadway connection thank you David and for the record the applicant would accept that condition so again Commissioners and I'll just one last thing you know there were questions about water and sewer in the area effect on Wells just so everyone knows we have not only Water and Sewer but we have reclaimed right out in front of the site on Denton so we're going to be connecting right in front of the site and that's one of the reasons why the board should be approving this you want the growth to go in the area where the counties already put the facilities and in this case the facilities are there and actually the comp plan requires a connection anytime there's development in res 3 with 25 units or more so you need this to happen to make this whole homogeneous plan that the counties created and the comp plan work and the last thing I would say other than you know I would appreciate your support is that you all know there are tons of environmental rules that we have to follow both at the county state and federal level we will follow all of those we are not going to be impacting you know species that we not should not be impacting without following the appropriate rules I'm happy to answer any final questions you may have anybody have any questions for the applicant commissioner Mariano yeah I've got a question so Clark you're going to get rid of the cul-de-sac oh yeah I I formally withdraw the ultra standard for the type T turn around okay um I'm going to make a few statements but if you guys got questions it's an unusual area I I drove the area when I was uh isolating from covid and my family wouldn't let me be around them so I actually did my first drive down kitten Trail and some of those roads was absolutely beautiful but there's some places that are not so beautiful just an interesting area all right so in the area and Clark I appreciate you working hard to try to and you you acknowledge we do have struggles out there with the infrastructure so he acknowledges that um you know Miss Humphrey's talking about his Industrial Park coming in it needs Hicks Road um way back when commissioner Starkey I know you're with with the board at the

time we had the issue where a couple of girls were not in school when they should have been done in Seven Springs area Lake no I think it's down in oh yeah Seven Springs right yeah the sidewalk we had done and from the from that accident there we ended up pushing forward we had all the right-of-way in place we got that sidewalk done real fast made a lot safer for the kids in that area Hicks Road as you remember we also had an accident there too and we lost a child and we pushed for that road to get done that road we didn't have the right-of-way that took probably seven eight years to get it fully done and I had meetings at Hudson High School with the Stu with the the people at home land up and down trying to speed up the process which we did and a lot of those just didn't go through the attorney process and gave us the land we needed how sold this land we needed and then sped up the process it still took over seven years when when you look at the traffic right here this is a kitten kitten Trail coming in to COBRA way and I went through out here from quarter of seven in the morning to 7 20 in the afternoon something 25 or 7 20 in the morning so all that time this is backed up all the way the other side kitten Trail in the morning backs up to about 7 15 in that range into the development I drove through it yesterday just to be see what was going on I drove through about four o'clock in the afternoon maybe 4 15. drove through it all there was was going to the elementary school there wasn't any traffic on the roadway but just for the elementary school in the whole lot it was backed up and it was it was a lot to go through I don't know if the school board can fix what they've done now if they go back to a mile before they do the bus instead of two miles maybe that's going to help a lot but right now the situation that's there is absolutely brutal and whether you're on this section right here or down in Hudson Avenue with cobraway or if I walk to Walk that whole thing too it's all backed up even if we fix Hicks Road made that connection from Denton Avenue down through which would give us the final connection from Bolton down through you're still going to get this now what scares me is if you look on kitten Trail they had given up and had gone through a big thing about putting drainage in place to you know follow the road we repaved the road the only person I saw coming through that roadway was one child was coming up from Kitten Trail on a bike and he had to ride in the detention area at an angle to try to get to school and that wasn't even it wasn't even wet then but just there's no there's no sidewalks there's no roadway

I think it's so dangerous that everybody realizes I can't go walk to school I've got to get a ride there because I'm going to get hit and we just heard about the accident so as much as I appreciate Clark you know you're you're a great professional you present everything you you listen you go back to your people and I appreciate that but I just don't know if between drainage areas the lack of sidewalks the time it may take to get all the infrastructure improvements if it's the right time now I've asked to have the to have Horton go work with the other developments coming in the area put a master plan together let's go figure out what to do for all the improvements to make it safer because what I don't want to see is a situation number one in commissioner Starkey we're just in Miami at the fac conference and we saw the traffic that was in the area to go three miles it took us 45 minutes to go to dinner I don't want to see this whole area burdened out for even a longer period of time than the weather get now but 800 more units in this area with the other one coming down the street at right now proposed 1600 and I'm going to work real hard to get that number down and get that industrial land back to to what what his use was I I just don't see how we can approve this at this point in time with the infrastructure we have in place if we respond commissioner that the issue that I think we're having is we've presented findings from experts concerning the status of the traffic and the site access improvements per year code and you're talking about areas that are a mile and a half two miles outside of our area related to site access or pedestrian improvements that's not what we're required to do by the code I mean you can't no one we don't ask developers to go look at making site acts of improvements two miles outside of a development that's that's not what the code allows you know in a few it was many years ago when we used to do the biennial comprehensive plan amendments and we were out looking at an area over in Wesley Chapel Dade City area um and we had a denial done on Hancock Road from that hand-cut Road denial it led to commissioner Schroeder uh about a great idea let's do do a study of the whole area that led to a whole study area that led to the vo pH which has been working out very well with everybody being involved to get everything done that's the type of study I think we'll probably need to do here because clearly if this goes through and this traffic gets worse it's affecting everything else around it now you may not have studied down in this area and that's not maybe part of your jurisdiction but the people that are going to come in here okay with this High intense development compared to what's around it take away the industrial take away the seniors park that's up there it's it's just not designed for children to to be in this whole area but but commissioner that the point I'm trying to make is we studied

the roadways that we impact even with the other site that's what Steve was saying and you're assuming that the other development is even coming in I mean that it's going to be approved you could condition the other development if they're roads that are bisecting the development there may be Trail or site access improvements that could be you know required at that time not trying to put the other project in a bad light but that is an off-site improvement I don't I don't think you can do that under our code all right so if we were if we were to design this this design this area perfectly we would have had Hicks Road connecting from your site right beside it with a done a full intersection right there brought that all the way down to State Road 52 and collect that that's what we should be doing to the era not just saying because you can't access it and get that road to go North to Houston we got to move it down because you can't get the right-of-way for your development what I'm saying to you is to properly design this area Hicks Road should be built it should be connected down through so even the people at this development don't have to drive out on Denton Avenue cross over little road back on New York Ave down to kitten Trail and a left okay commissioner all I'm saying is and I'm but you're saying we're saying we having struggles outside of your development I'm saying across the street from you there should be a road then there should be a trail and yours should be built as well yeah commissioner I'm not denying it all I'm saying is the whole point of this funding mechanism is so that the county can do exactly what you're talking about and acquire the right-of-way if it's necessary build the road or the site access improvements that are necessary for these purposes that's the whole purpose and I appreciate you doing that I appreciate you seeing that the problem is what's going to happen is if you do it as development comes in and you've added all these things as developers coming in you're increasing the traffic down there you're retrieving the flow in there before the things get built and what if the people don't want to give you the right of way and you've got to go through the process of trying to get the right away the applicant or owner was here and said he would cooperate on the record earlier yeah so I don't think the right-of-way is going to be an issue so I um and I it's we've had so much discussion I cannot remember what Steve said I don't even know if he's still here but when I and I've been looking at the map and whenever anyone puts gives me their address I go to it here my iPad my iPad's about to die um but my guess is except for the kids that will be going to school most people are going to go out to 19 and and head to work now if we get if we get that Industrial Area there they don't have to drive very

far but I don't see people going um for the majority you know I don't see them going to the right I see them going going west but I'm sure if they're going to school to drop off the kids well that's the way they're going to go okay I'm looking at this map and and and we have this all over the county and that's the problem that the county and the school district have to address but and that is they should have had turn Lanes um it looks like there's is there right away on either side of this road here on kitten is it is this kitten excuse me not you guys still drainage I I see where the fat I see what and it's now 5 15. so I all right so this I mean this this should have some better access into the school but that's not on this developer that's that's on us in the school district um we don't we didn't don't make didn't make people fix the uh entrance into Trinity Oaks or the one in um off of uh Ridge Road yeah I'm sorry to interrupt but yeah so I think we have we have three choices here everybody's is quiet and the audience I'll continue to talk um you have three choices now we've continued this till after the budget here in which we have to do at 5 15. right you continue it or we'd go to a vote now but we need to we have to go to our budget meeting so if you need to bring this back afterwards we need to break it back we can't push the budget hearing off we'd have to continue this afterwards or you continue this or you would do a vote now I'd recommend you do the budget hearing first let's get back all right so listen all right we're gonna um pause this meeting we'll come back in a few minutes we're going to do our budget hearing I have a drop dead at 5 45 so if I have to leave commissioner Mariana is going to be taken over I say today if everybody's willing to as we skip miscellaneous business okay we're going to um do I have script for this you should so no guys don't leave we're not done sorry we have a firm 515 budget I do not have a statue we have to do I do not have the script for the 5 15 meeting all right you want to give it to me budget Bob yeah none of us have it actually forward we're having and this will this will teach that our team to schedule a very very long Hearing in the same day as we I know there's a talking place we're gonna try and get through this very quickly not sure whose idea that was good hey we got a newbie sitting over there okay I'm not I'm rolling right into it

they've left but okay here we go this is the final public hearing to adopt the fiscal year 2023 budget for the board of County commissioners of Pasco County Florida Citizens will provide it be provided an opportunity to speak during a public comment portion of the hearing does the clerk have proof of publication [Music] it's published in the Tampa Times on September 18 2022. I have to I just have to stand for one second That's not healthy to sit so long uh in accordance with the Florida statute 200.065 the first issue to be discussed is the recommended millage rates and the percentage changes from the rolled back rates thank you madam chair and members of the board the aggregate millage rate was advertised on the trim notices was 9.3490 Mills which represents a 7.52 percent increase from the aggregate rolled back rate of 8.6955 Mills the reason the aggregate millage rate is higher is because the total taxable value increased between last year and this year generating additional Revenue levied for the same Village table one in your handout shows the millage rates for the various County levies and a comparison of the recommended millage rates to the rolled back rates and the prior year adopted millage rates rather than read this chart into the record we have provided copies to each commissioner board records and members of the audience at the first public hearing on the budget the Border County Commissioners adopted a budget based upon the millage rates used in the trim notice each property owner received at this time I'd like to give a brief summary of the general fund and transportation trust fund budget started stating the millage rates the percentage change from the rollback rate and the reason for such change the millage rate for the general fund is 7.6076 Mills which represents a 10.21 percent increase from the rollback rate of 6.9026 Mills the millage rate is the same as last year's military this morning the County Commission received the presentation outlining the amendments to the final budget these changes will have no effect on the final millage rate the county realized a 16.7 percent increase in taxable assessed values over the past year compared to the current fiscal year the general fund expenditure budget represents an increase of 66.8 million dollars the main factors for this increase include funding the sheriff's full budget request including 10 additional deputies fully funding rescue units for fire stations for fire rescue stations three and nine additional rescue units for fire rescue stations 23 and 26 additional peak hour rescue units and a wage increase for board and constitutional officer employees

prior action by the Florida legislature eliminated the requirement for mandatory Transportation ad valorem tax no Transportation millage was levied last year and we proposed no millage be assessed this year for the transportation Trust I would ask that the board accept public comment and then vote on the general fund and transportation trust millage rates and Associated budgets the minimum vote required to Levy the general fund millage rate is a simple majority or three votes according to the minimum I'm sorry according to the maximum millage rate calculation okay does anyone wish to speak to the board regarding the general fund and transportation trust fund is there anyone online who wishes to speak no one's on is there any discussion by the board well Matt I'm seriously this is my final budget here and I think I'll stir things up a little bit no I'm just kidding I had Bob Seger nervous Specter there's sweat you had me nervous too Branford lost all his hair trouble making just jokes humor all right is there a motion to adopt the military for the general fund of 7.6076 don't move second all in favor aye opposed is there a motion to adopt the military for the transportation trust fund of 0.00 all in favor aye aye but one day I think we need to look at that fix these roads I'm just saying all right fire minute oh yeah you got that thank you ma'am the fire Municipal Services taxing unit fund has a tax Libya 1.8036 Mills this represents a 10.88 increase from the rollback rate of 1.6266 mils the increase in property values resulted in an additional 9.7 million dollars in property tax revenue the budget includes a negotiated firefighter wage increase fully funding fire units for the fire rescue stations three and nine and 25 additional positions to reduce overtime I would ask the board to accept public comment and then vote on the fire Municipal Services taxing unit fund to millage rate and Associated budget the minimum vote required to Levy this millage rate is two-thirds or four votes according to the maximum Village rate calculation does anyone wish to speak to the board regarding the fire Municipal service taxing unit is there anyone online there's no one is there a motion to adopt a village rate of 1.8036 Mills for the fire Municipal service taxing unit second on favor aye opposed foreign pop very good I will now provide a summary of the eight voter approved Debt Service millage rates these millage rates are levied to repay the debt service for the general obligation bonds to to include two tranches each for the jail project the fire rescue projects the Parks and Recreation projects and the libraries projects the eight individual millage rates are listed on

table one in your handout rather than read the chart into the record we have provided copies to each commissioner board records and members of the audience a total of the eight voter approved jet service millage rates is 0.2807 Mills this is an increase of 0.0709 mil over the 2022 actual millage rates of 0.2098 mils an additional tranche of the general obligation bonds was completed this year for the Parks and Recreation budget and will be levied for the first time during this budget cycle I would ask the board to accept public comment and then vote on each Debt Service military there is no vote requirement for these military so simple majority or three votes is all that's needed does one wish to speak to the board regarding any of the eight Bond millage rates is there anyone online there's no online is there a motion to adopt a millage rate of 0.0336 Mills for the two 2019 a jail facility Bond second all in favor aye is there a motion to adopt a millage rate of 0.1194 Mills for the 2021 B jail facility Bond all in favor aye is a motion to adopt a millage rate of 0.0268 Mills for the 2019 B fire rescue Bond second on favor aye is there a motion to adopt a millage rate of 0.0557 Mills for the 2020 a fire rescue Bond all in favor aye is there a motion to adopt a millage rate of 0.0126 Mills for the 2019 C parks recreation and natural resources Bond approved second all in favor aye is there a motion to adopt a millage rate of 0.0103 Mills for the 2022 a parks recreation and natural resources fund second all in favor aye is there a motion to adopt a millage rate of 0.0123 Mills for the 2019 D libraries Bond all in favor aye the total of the eight voter approved Debt Service military is 0.2807 Mills this is an increase of of 0.0709 Mills over the 2022 actual Mills rate of 0.2098 Mills an additional tranche of the general obligation bonds was completed this year for the Parks and Recreation projects and will be levied for the first time during this did I read that again sounded familiar did I do the 2021a libraries okay is there a motion to adopt a millage rate of 0.0100 Mills for the 2021 a libraries all in favor aye I will not well that's you I will not provide a summary of the reminder of the fiscal year 2023 budget if you refer to table two in your handout you can see the revenue sources and allocations identified by type without regard to individual funds as stated prior to any action taken by the board tonight the

budget totals 2 billion 10 million 534 352 dollars in that of interfund transfers I would ask the board to accept public comment then vote on the budget there is no vote requirement for the budget so a simple majority or three votes is all that's needed is anyone here who wishes to speak on this item do we have anyone online no one's online okay I will entertain a motion to adopt the fiscal year 2023 budget as outlined by staff including those those adjustments made since the tentative public hearing presented to the County Commission at its regular meeting earlier today second on favor aye thank you madam chair and members of the board the actions you have taken here today has set the aggregate millage at 9.3490 Mills it reflects an increase of 7.52 percent above the road Factory I would now like to read the resolution adopting the millage rates by title only a resolution of the board of County commissioners of Pasco County Florida adopting the final levying of ad valorem taxes for Pasco County for fiscal year 2023 providing for an effective date is there a motion for approval of the resolution yeah the final loving of Advil alarm taxes for Pasco County for fiscal year 2023. all in favor aye aye God like a resolution of the Florida County commissioners of Pasco County Florida adopting the final budget for fiscal year 2023 providing for an effective date like uh all in favor aye this concludes the public hearing to adopt the final medals rate and the final budget for fiscal year 2023. thank you okay three minutes and I'll be right back all right uh Bob good job to you and your team back there congratulations I hope I didn't make you guys nervous when I said that are we in recess no problem it's on you recess all right let's go give me one minute I got I'm the only commissioner sitting here I'm just trying to get this done before I have to leave okay Clark we interrupted you so sorry about that thank you I'll wait for a commission you probably haven't been through one of those ma'am you probably haven't been through one of those all right I guess you know I heard what commissioner Mariano was going to say I guess the only point I was going to make is this is a lot of money there's going to be a lot of money in school impact fees that are paid and there's a lot of work we can do with school boards probably going to end up with six or seven million dollars out of its School impact fees in this area and there's a lot of things that we can do working together and I think it's unfair at this point of this project when it's been res 3 all of this time if

the county had a different planning objective we've been through we went through Market areas we went through a ton of workshops and the development of all of the market areas over a year and a half and then we went into the harbor study and all this stuff and if there needed to be a specific study for Hudson that was an addition or above and beyond that it would have been nice for us to know and like I said I feel like we're doing the responsible thing here and we shouldn't overthink it because the you know I don't know this Market will be around for forever this is a lot of money to do a lot of good in the area I'm sure a quick question um Mr hobby it could be you it could be one of the team members okay under Res three um how many homes would possibly be able to be on 300 this pop I think it's 804. 84 but prior zoning was it's AC it's AC it's only 80. okay let's try to get a number okay right Red's three now AC was 80. approximately right okay that would not require more than likely again this is probably a question for the team um under the current zoning I would assume it would not require all the additional stormwater improvements that are going in with this project I need I don't see anybody there we go are you referring to the existing zoning existing zoning correct I'm asking you Terry I'll ask you this question yeah yeah again under the current zoning we're guesstimating 80 plus homes could be built okay that probably wouldn't I would assume it doesn't would not require the extensive extensive stormwater and possibly mitigation that's being done with this project am I correct or incorrect yeah am I correct same okay right so we would in AC you wouldn't have much storm water if any right okay yeah okay yeah right right okay I just want to make sure I'm right again commissioner would just answer your question a little more detail again we're building a mile long spine Road within the site that has no units running on it either we call it unloaded in the business that's providing a de facto connection point for all of the public through this area at no expense to the we're not asking that be fee creditable or anything we're building that at our expense and I'm not saying this is the only time that's ever happened but the point being if we just build out or leave it as is somebody starts building 10 acre tracks they're not going to have to build an unloaded Road like that they'll be building smaller local streets that will just connect to their Lots it wouldn't have to go all the way through like this and one last thing people have been waiting a long time for this assuming that map one more time in the the Ingress ingra Ingress egress to the project

the team could pull it up real quick not the emergency access and I know the emergency access is probably I would assume it's something that you didn't request it was required by code no it's required that's right you're talking about our spine Road that's running up through the site let me let me get my eyes on real quick yeah I might go to the mpud master plan that would work out better yeah thank you probably there you go then there's your name guessing yeah okay I can't what's that little pop out I can't tell what that is that's what we were talking about with commissioner Mariana where we agreed to build a stabilized access into our site in case the neighbors want to drive through our site there's a dirt dirt road there how many units do we have a guesstiment of how many units are to the north in the um manufactured home um Park you know I don't have it in front of me I want to say it's two something I don't know if the representatives here I want to say it's in the 150 200 range somewhere in that range and then the RV park I think is 308 units to the South so just between those two little pieces of property that's about 60 65 percent of the total units in our project okay and what's the acreage on okay so we have um in the the wetlands uh we have 306 I think it's in 3068 acres gross and of which is about 50 acres of Upland I mean wetlands and we're preserving like 48 or so Acres so approximately 100 a third of it a third about approximately 100 total then or preserve including the wetlands there's about about 50 total Acres of wetlands and then you're but you're also preserving you still I'm saying of the 50 we're preserving like 48 Acres I think if I'm getting the numbers right is that right Brian that's generally in the ballpark so we're preserving 47 48 Acres of the existing Wetlands on the site and of course we'll have to build ponds it creates more open space what are we what's our guesstimate on the ponds acreage wise there's quite a few ponds if you go back one slide no or Ford whatever that was our our Engineers indicating probably around 35 so it's going to be basically 85 Acres of 300 acres or so that are going to be left in open space at the end of the day okay for Parks approximately well nine acres I mean again we're getting close to 100 acres I was just trying to get all in yeah uh we're right now that we're building two separate uh the standard sidewalks all the way up the side and bike Lanes Brian so okay see the bike lanes are on the road yeah right there's a lot to like here four that shows the future land use or the BC boccc zoning I think that we can find the future land

use that was in that that's probably the most helpful one yeah there you go so you can see there's res six to the north res 9 to the South some Res three a lot of res six to the to the West some RoR and then that whole big splotch off to the east is the public semi-public which is again just for members of the public that's for what are considered like Regional size utility infrastructure that the county constructs so it's considered very intense use thank you that's what I was looking at was the North and the surrounding res sixes and residents we're actually lower than the majority of what surrounds us I have a question for you Clark um you said is there two five foots one on each side yes plus the bike lane um would our codes allow for those sidewalks to be would our codes allow for those sidewalks to be aggregated on one side so you have a multi-use path I don't know what the trail network is is up here we've never this is it's funny you say that that I had we had actually discussed that last week we would prefer to do that we think that's better if we're going to build a eight foot multi-use path along the frontage we'd rather have it continue on with that and staff has allowed that before it just you know I was reluctant to bring that there's so many other bigger issues you know off-site that we were trying to address but we'd rather do that I think it'd be better for the neighborhoods and for our project to have a bigger path this is the first project that I recall really diving into in this area and so I've never seen what the trail Network looks like up here what it could be but I certainly um I know I helped some people who have a blueberry farm up there work on access to some Swift Mud property I think to be able to ride the horses up and down on the sides of a um of a canal of some sorts I don't know remember where that is around here but I sure would like to see us start looking at what um what a nice Trail Network could look like and in this area it might be equestrian and pedestrian because I think we have a great opportunity to these opportunities up here and I understand that's what maybe some of your impacting money could go towards but we have neglected this area as far as that goes in my opinion one more question Mr sharek was also pointing out we actually have a 20-foot buffer on each side of our sidewalks going up the spine roads there's more than adequate area for doing a really nice job with a multi-use path I'm not sure one more question can you go back to this um recycling Clark again I can't remember your lot sizes on average again that there there will be more than 50 percent will be 50 foot Lots it was strictly single family they're they're it's everything's

detached what may be in in area B maybe a rental Community but it's going to be detached proud and touched okay so again we think that's in keeping with the area yeah I understand I understand it's all detached okay so no no no multi-story multi-family or town at all a tree on every lot yes we're following all the rules we're following all the rules the back parts that part's already in the in PUD conditions but I've been looking at those mobile home parks and I just want you to know that there and staff there's no trees or very few and some of them have cemented the whole lot so the neighbors to the to the East and I know we have some information with East we're not look to the west and see multi family my client just wanted me to in the spirit of full disclosure they're not intending on building anything but detached now but it does allow for townhouses in there but there's no other like multi-family departments no it's not that stuff right and b or an A and B we're not we're not doing Garden style apartments or anything like that looking at this road I know there's six you said 6.7 million and that's going to be allocated to this specific area alone it would just be just to be used between coyote and little and Hudson and Houston so I mean the area that I think the neighborhood's concerned about we're programming the funds you know like I said this community is not going to be built all at once these things don't happen like that and the impacts aren't going to be felt overnight we'll start generating the funds as we're generating the funds and the county can start making the improvements along the way and and I I do want to make one more point and I I really have to go so we're going to call the vote um I don't know anything about any other development other than this gentleman that just came up and said something about industrial what's I don't know about that one either so all I can face what I'm talking about here is this one and I think that's going to be voting on this project on the record and I'm just going to say that's all we really can vote on I can't vote on something that someone is telling me speculatively maybe coming somewhere which I don't even know where so um I do have a question on that car lot when did that come in that auto auction yeah is that new no it's been there for a while okay uh but to to your to your point there Madam chair I could just comment on it yeah we had a land use Amendment come to us before on Denton Avenue and kitten Trail 1600 units at the time before we had the industrial presentation done to us there was 70 Acres of industrial land there that's going to be coming back to us for final approval soon but they continue that we've been continued it down for a little bit further until they come back in because the person who was running the project got sick okay so that's 1600 units in addition to this 800 that's

coming in so as far as whether it's comes or not it's something that it's on the table that we should be aware of um you know if if there's a desire for this area to be different the time to do that is when we do we do our comp plan but right now this is what we have and um and and to let the public know where are we doing our comprehensive land use plan I've shortened the term for that that's the blueprint that we follow for growth This Is Res three which is how many units it's would yield 804 you but it's that the adjacent stuff is either red six or res9 so it's either two or three times the density here so that's what's supposed to go there so can you go back to the zoning though not the land use let me show the zoning up there please in this area the way it's developed out and we saw something similar in Dade City Dade City had stronger densities but it developed rural a rounded has developed rural take away the RMH on Houston Avenue it's all pretty rural in that whole area there's no sidewalks there's no Trails even Denton Avenue got built years ago don't even know it's really standard but just got built kitten Trail drainage was put in there's no street lights no sidewalks and frankly you know one of the things we can consider as far as in a an approval denial is whether a proposed change will adversely affect the living conditions in the immediate and the surrounding area so I know it's getting late but I will say that I'm not going to support this as it is um I'm just going to say that and we'll see what happens from here can I make it a suggestion just if there's a motion in favor I hear commissioner Mariana and I respect his position can we make sure that we pick up the conditions that were offered this morning by staff that create the fund that's so important for this there are two the updated conditions this morning and then David also has the condition about the connection at Hicks so the funds go directly to the specific project they're segregated to the county and the county figures out how to use them is that a separate motion that no there's conditions in there for it and then well if it doesn't pass throw it away and then near sidewalks on are there will be there will there be sidewalks on Denton and coming out going towards that is in the condition that staff offered this morning as well there were two changes one is to add the multi-use path on Denton and the second is to create the fund and then the third condition change that we read in was the one we're speaking of that connects makes a little connection to Hicks and again I guess the last thing also would be to pick up the ability for the developer to build a eight foot multi-use path along the spine Road and look in lieu of five foot sidewalks on either side so you know I

said 10 foot 10 okay 10 is okay okay fair enough okay same amount basically you'd add an alternative standard to 901.8 right so that you could build a multi-use a 10 foot multi-use Pap instead of the two sidewalks right I understand yes sir I I can't make it motion to approve with the condition with the conditions and as long as all the conditions are followed through and I looked at it and it was an additional 6.7 million I believe to the school district right for schools okay is there a second okay there's a motion and a second oh clear it includes the two conditions that Tammy emailed you yesterday the condition that I read earlier about the local roadway connection it adds the alternative standard for to build the multi-use trail instead of a sidewalk on both sides and it removes the alternative standard for the cul-de-sacs that's correct no cold remove any alternative standard related to the cul-de-sacs that's correct is that is that your motion okay thank you secondary correct yes yes okay all in favor aye aye opposed no thank you okay um we're on commissioner items we're gonna um skip all the Commissioners but Mr karbala has a I got one for everybody okay Kabbalah okay you go and then karbala and I gotta go hmm all right I'll go rock with the waved I waved I'm waving too I'm walking I'm walking out while you're talking will you join okay go I'm waiting on I gotta call my uh give the jack stepped out I'll be mine next time go ahead Mr karbala thank you thank you madam chair just real quick I need to request board uh delegate Authority to me to sign off on an interlocal agreement with the Pinellas County Medical Examiner county attorney's review thank you thank you all in favor yes um do I need to restate my motion then subject to the clerk and the county attorney's review thank you okay aye a favor uh any opposed all right we're adjourned thank you thank you