08.24.2022 Pasco Board of County Commissioners Meeting (Afternoon Session)

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they said it was going to be the drainage issues on johnson too okay where are you he's in the room where he was oh he's right there he's talking wait i'm doing the meeting okay we're going to call this special meeting of the mpo to order it this time um this time we'll ask our deputy county clerk to read to call the role uh scott black here heir scott tremblay not president councilman matt murphy not president uh commissioner oakley here commissioner moore here commissioner starkey here commissioner fitzpatrick not president commissioner mariano here uh lance uh chairman smith who is not president thank you mr clark do we have a quorum yes at this time we'll take the opportunity for public comment if there's anyone in the audience who would like to address the mpo we'll take your comments at this time hearing none we'll move into our first order of business we do have an action item commission for transportation disadvantaged designated official planning agency um mr um marcasa this is a grant that we are needing your approval to receive it will fund the operations of the mpo milford thank you we have a motion we have a second to approve any questions what's the favor of the board what's the pleasure board all these in favor please say aye aye aye aye those opposed nay thank you our item uh number two mpo urban estate key sole source scope mr micaisa yes this is a software program that we'll be using it'll be critical in our long range plan update as well as create some staff efficiencies we seek your approval of decisions we have a motion we have a second any discussion hearing none all those in favor please signify by saying aye aye those opposed nay thank you any comments for the good of the order before we adjourn yes sir one oh i did drive on that divergent diamond this this week getting there yeah it was uh it's always it's an experience when you start driving on the wrong side of the road so um but i was happy that you've been doing it it's getting there that's it if there's nothing further we'll adjourn our meeting thanks everyone thank you well it's good to see good to see you good to be here hey catherine you didn't hear me i said you said it was a difference driving on the left side of the room i said you've been doing that what's the deal did you know the wrong side every once in a while i do it accidentally let's see i'm walking away with half your papers dude okay wait is this yours

no that's before the section it's here we go with the addendum again i haven't even looked to see where they come so you have to help me okay is that that must be yours me yes okay i just didn't it didn't look like it didn't play into mine so i didn't plug anything inward todd christina okay i will now call back to order the pasco county board of county commission meeting of august 24 2022. please silence all electronic devices and mute your microphones we are going to proceed with public hearings starting with ordinance p65 good afternoon madam chair uh victorious pizza for the planning development department item p65 i'll go ahead and read that into the record it is an ordinance by the pascual county board of county commissioners amending the pasco county land development code section 1104 flood damage prevention to bring the county's flood damage prevention regulations in line with the model ordinance approved by the federal emergency management agency and to coordinate with chapter 18 buildings and building regulations of the pasco county code of ordinances amending land development code appendix a definitions and other sections as necessary for internal consistency incorporating fema's most recent flood insurance study for pasco county establishing areas of special flood hazards recodifying building official to perform analysis for building permanent applications on structures within flood hazard areas and providing method process for such analysis requiring signed declaration of land restriction non-conversion agreements for projects proposing to enclose areas under elevated buildings certain crawl spaces and certain accessory structures added requirements for activities altering sand dunes or mangrove stands in coastal a zones recodifying elevation information prior to issues of a certificate of occupancy and coastal a zones recodifying conti approval for letters of map changes to fema recodifying encroachment development and fill on properties within floodways adding and or recodifying restrictions on location of critical facilities detached accessory structures manufactured homes rvs park trailers tanks decks patios and other development floodways pre-codifying fema guidance publications and technical bulletins by reference changing variance procedure from planning commission to hearing officer process requiring data to be provided in areas identified as sheet flow and ponding providing a variance process for certain agricultural structures additional specific findings required for variances providing for or amending the following definitions accessory structure agricultural structure coastal a-zone critical facility declaration of land

restriction non-conversion agreement existing manufactured home park or subdivision expansion to an existing manufactured home park or subdivision flood hazard area historic structure letter of map change lomc limit of moderate wave action limous market value new manufactured home park or subdivision and park trailer park model providing for applicability repealer providing for several ability inclusion into the land development code and an effective date sure you got all that i think okay that's a long one we do need to uh have the clerk um talk about the pub when it was noticed madam chair they uh this item was previously noted for uh hearing uh in july july 12th and continued to this day okay um board members do you have any questions for staff i've got a couple on section [Music] 6c 1104.22 it says a decker patio has a vertical thickness of more than 12 inches [Music] okay what was the number j jack again it doesn't have regular pages so i apologize 110 104.22 [Music] section 6e it talks about wave run up and a wave reflection and actually d goes the same thing i'm just wondering what type of uh research or engineering would you be able to get what people are going to need to get to actually have this type of development approved i thought there was an issue with the state and the federal that they didn't know if it was going to be properly or enforced enforced well i'm going to go ahead and introduce assoliami the building official to help explain good luck good afternoon madam chair and commissioners uh congressman can you repeat the question please uh on section 6c actually six the whole section from abcd it talks about wave run up and i thought one of the things we read in the federal and state was worrying about how they're going to measure that and who's going to be able to do the engineering of that okay um i thought we're going to leave that out so i'm really confused about it unless i'm misreading it so we can't leave that out because that's very similar to floodway so we can't we have to would you introduce yourself what's the record uh some patel building construction services and uh we're we can't remove that from this section because that's so i mean you saw you saw the document i'm talking about from the from the

state the word about how you're going to enforce this how how is the someone going to get approved from this and that's just i'm just wondering if you've addressed that issue because i don't see it here and i didn't expect to see it in there the wave run up analysis true so that would be done by the engineering firm when it comes to but that's only on very minimal areas so on boat yard drive when we redid that one i believe we had a situation where we denied it the gentleman had to go out and get an engineer to go set it up but from what i understand in the marketplace there's no engineer now that's out there that can actually do the engineering that we may be requesting from what i was told by by fema was that the the county when the county did the coastal way run up through the um coastal a zone when we remap the area on the on the coast side there were engineering firms that handled that and that's where they come that's where they they came up with the coast wave run up analysis i'm still uncomfortable we're going to pass something that's going to be tough for people to get development done because of this um is is this where there's the lim wall line people within the limoi the no that's not well jack we have to have it in there so i guess someone's gonna have to figure it out but i may be the guinea pig i don't know and that's what that's what concerns me again they mentioned it's gonna be tough and i'm gonna tell you when we did that structure we had like those full homes on boat yard over in hudson that we did the rezoning classifications to let the development come in when they come in the gentleman come in did two things one was to build it and he had to go out and get an engineer to supposedly look at to where this run-up analysis was and that should have really set the tone for the rest of us up and down the coast but it hasn't and now that the gentleman he had i tried to bring him forward he's now retired i don't know if there's someone who's going to be able to actually do this and with the state or federal or both stating this concerns about this i'm just wondering is this written exactly how other counties are written correct i mean exactly exactly because there's no adverse impact very similar to floodway okay um can i follow up on that question chuck so if this is required to get approval perhaps we need to learn how to approve it

so that things can keep moving you know if there's no one out there the private sector knows how to do it i can't find the paragraph you're talking about but i remember hearing about it but you know we don't want anyone to get held up and so maybe we need to train someone so it's actually on the g under other other development and then it goes to the number six g okay and madam chair is this one of the items that has to be added to the ordinance for the 20 discount yeah well zach i don't see it in mine can you pull it up on there what he's talking about sally sherman deputy county administrator administrative services uh commissioner mariano i do recall your the reference that you're making and yes there are limited amount of engineers that are able to do this type of analysis but they're they are out there and yes it does require an engineer in order to conduct the analysis so do we have the engineer to be able to check on the engineer we do have someone who can look at it look at the information that is submitted and make sure that it meets all the requirements of how it should be done but we're going to again be reliant on the information that's provided and as long as they do what is necessary to go through the steps to establish the wave run up then there should not be a problem could not be as not quite acceptable however um so let me let me ask this so with what we're passing and again we've got to pass it into certain requirements from the state and fed i get that we got to follow the rules that are there i just want to make sure the language you've got in here is exactly no different than what the state has required and nothing different from what other counties have done as well that'll go through the same process yes sir this is the language that was in the information from the fema guidelines in our state ordinance draft ordinance that we have included okay okay did you locate a chair yeah i think we're gonna have to keep moving forward but um i think this is gonna be an issue for the whole state so we have to see what how we deal with this one right there's no one out there who knows how to do it and please understand as i indicated there are engineers out there that can do it but they are a select few because it is a unique offer but that's just like you if you have stone work that you want a certain or

you only have a few that do it but they are out there and available okay i guess it's an economic opportunity for someone yeah i'm sure i don't i just don't we've got to get it done i don't know what else to do i agree so let's keep it and then they can lose the 20 discount um any other any other questions well let's see public hearing oh thank you i forgot about that thank you i see barbara wilheit in the audience i know she can comment to it no so i do want to thank um barbara and others who worked on their own dime spent a lot of hours and a lot of time putting this together staff worked very hard on this as well and i know it was complicated but necessary so we we appreciate all of it barbara you want to say something yeah and john to we think john yeah barbara will height 6327 grand boulevard newport richie florida good afternoon yes john moody and myself spent a lot of time on this ordinance as did a lot of you i think all of you and your staff with regard to the specific issue and that specific analysis that's required john moody tracked it down made sure the language matched made sure it really was required he really labored over it because he knew it was could be a potential issue but we weren't able to find any solution and i think your staff looked at it as well as hard as they could so okay thank you thank you thanks for all your help too absolutely okay uh this is a public hearing is there anyone here who wishes to speak to this item madam chair we have no one signed up in advance or online to the board seeing none we'll go ahead and move for approval second all in favor aye aye aye opposed i will call okay our first uh district one chairman oakland all right mr going commissioner oakley aye district two commissioner moore aye district four commissioner fitzpatrick aye district five commissioner mariano aye district three commissioner starkey aye thank you p-66 we have proof of publication of a previous meeting this was continued at both the june 21st 2022 board meetings to august the 9th and then again at the ninth to this day madam chair item p-66 is an ordinance by the pasco county board of county commissioners amending the pasco county code of ordinances chapter 18 buildings and building regulations providing that appeals of actions taken are taken or denial of proposed construction shall be heard by a hearing officer using same rules and procedure as demolition appeals when such denials are based on load and flood requirements repealing local technical amendments to florida

building code that i've been incorporated to into florida building code by the state adding requirements for submittal documents for commercial and residential structures amending definition of substantial improvement to clarify that repairs or improvements shall be calculated based on the cumulative value of 49 percent and repairs made within a one year time period and clarifying when corrections of code violations may be excluded from substantial damage calculations prohibiting stem wall foundations and coastal a zones limiting the use and partition of enclosed spaces below the design flood elevation correcting incorrect internal references and references to the land development code where necessary providing for applicability repealer providing for severability inclusion into the code of ordinances and an effective date and the presentation will be made by astrology amy the building official good because i just heard something that said no stem walls but i thought in all my meetings we had stem walls yes for the coastal area we have some more so what what did we just say with no stem walls because i'll be voting no on that one then that is not what was in my meetings it might be an error anthony mastraccio deputy building official uh chair uh starkey uh yes ma'am that is an error initially when the ordinance was developed we did look at that as we had discussed and due to the construction costs as you know when we did our research it would just outweigh the benefits tremendously so that was removed yes ma'am okay so we need to correct this language that should be stricken from that area okay yeah that was that was in every single one of my meetings chair sally sherman deputy county administrator the what was read into the record is the title that was advertised so a motion will have to be made to change that to amend it okay we'll just amend it well you that's what you advertised yes so is it is the change more stringent or more liberal it's it does it it the it has been removed that didn't answer my question okay i'm sorry is it more stringent or more liberal more liberal then you can then the title in the motion the title can be revised uh as long as this this is not becoming more stringent okay great i know i just you beat me too you beat me too and i was like i think that's an error thank you madam chair so this this afternoon i'm here to present this amending code of ordinance chapter 18

buildings and building regulations and the pasco current strategic plan approved october 2021 goal 1.1 states to promote and participate in the national flood insurance program uh really pascal county has been a member of the national flood insurance program since november 18 1981. yes and this allows residents of pasco county to purchase federally backed flood insurance and also we are participating in the community rating system and this allows our participate our citizens to providing them discounts in their insurance premium and right now we are class six rating the lower the better so with that it gives us opportunity to have 20 percent discount on all insurances for people in the special floor lazard areas next so pascal current floor zone map has been adopted by fema since june 2020 and the overview is uh that pasco county is in class six crs reading and 20 percent discount and up the number of policies that are held by pasco citizens as of 2021 is 19 000 plus with a total savings of 3.1 million dollars the proposed regulatory changes are fall in number and the first one is that uh appeals of actions taken or denial of proposed construction to be heard by hearing officer using the same rules and procedures as demolition appeals the second one is requiring non-conversion agreement for certain structures under elevated buildings and this is just to ensure that enclosed area below elevated buildings and below base flood elevation is recorded publicly that is to allow a citizen or pro of prospective citizens to be able to own us to know that that area is inhabitable the third one is repealing local technical amendments that have been incorporated into the florida building code uh we just figured out that there is no need duplicating efforts once it's already in the florida building code which try to take it out of the code of ordinance then the fourth and the last one is updating definition of substantial improvement so staff is recommending approval of this and uh by rupaul excellent any questions i got mine answered commissioner mariano thank you madam chair on page 6 of 11 it talks about minor grading and the placement of minor quantities of fill shall be permitted for landscaping and for drainage purposes under and around buildings and for support of parking slabs pool decks patios and walkways but you've got that red lined out why is that red lined out which one page six of eleven yes

number four with migrating bismuth starts with migrating it's redlined out because that's in the full rebuilding code now for migrating and also in the you know fema technical bulletins so so just like you said we took it out because we don't need it okay next page over page 7 of 11 it said the period of accumulation begins when the permit for the first improvement or repair of such each building is issued and extends for one year and or until the permit is closed so once the permits ended that accumulation return time is over okay um the next line the next section right at number one you've got a red line in here it's accept when the damages are caused by willful intent or accumulative neglect by the owner or owners didn't they have different language of that with the state or the feds no that that was possessed by our county attorney okay so we talked about this and this is going to be pulled out yeah okay so we've added a line in here and try to imagine a permit where are you jack uh item number one under the on the next page page 711 the term does not however include either and it puts a red line in here except when the damages are caused by willful intent or accumulative neglect by owner or owners and it's not in the feds or the state's other paperwork we just added in by attorney's office is that what you're saying okay so i want to get that stricter note i don't want to change what the states and the fed have done to make it any more cumbersome because you could have a permit tech or whatever looking at this and just make any decision on their own what they think was willful intent or communal neglect this is this is after a um violation so if they they they're destroying their house and then asking for substantial improvement as like a loophole you're you're you're adding this in that's not in the state and fed you told me this is a separate line that we're adding in correct correct i don't want to add in any extra lines okay barbara's approaching and she worked a lot on this so guys i'm gonna let her speak um barbara will hide again 63 27 grand boulevard saturn lots of i think it's just an oversight set a lot of meetings where that language was going to be removed that's what i thought it was i think it was removed from the other

ordinance and not from this one so like there's email traffic with the county attorney's office they were okay with it being removed so i i'm okay with it being removed and okay so if the structure has sustained substantial damage was that added to prevent someone from damaging their own property or letting something yeah what's the intent here that's why it was added because if i go and damage my home and now i'm allowed to do more than 50 percent so it sounds like it should be in yeah okay county attorney this was specifically added for the property in your district commission mariano but if you want it out we'll take it out to me i don't want like i said i don't want to make it any more different any different than what the state of the federal regulations just because we're going to go through a line and i don't want to complicate the matter when it gets to staff but i agree with um not being allowed to damage your own property and then make a run around so is there a different way to say it i gotta think it's already in the statutes the way it's listed and this is just going over the top putting extra language in which no other female regulation that they they know of has it no state so why do i want to be more intense on a line that could actually be very difficult especially that cumulative neglect because if you purposely neglect your property or you cause damage to your property now you're allowed to do more than 49 of upgrades without having to wait tell me how they're going to describe the other part of it we'll go back to that one communal neglect what does that mean just tell me that one there communal of neglect what does that mean is it a time frame that you're neglecting your property if you've not if you've let your roof disintegrate to a point where the structure is now has to be totally rebuilt that would be cumulative neglect i i don't want to occur encourage that i don't know i don't want to encourage it either but my point to everything that we're doing here is i want to match what the state and the feds needs to make sure we get the protections in for our citizens to get the best discounts they can and set ourselves up but i don't want to go more intense what the state does if nobody else has included that language in there why are we including it in there i don't see the necessary move for that mr madam chair yep mr steinsteiner i know you were involved right and helped work on this what are your

thoughts we added it to close a loophole because of enforcement cases that we've had to proceed on behalf of the county that's why it's there okay so this one i'm inclined to support staff on this one because i i don't want to encourage yeah slum and blake yeah yeah i agree all right let me have barbara talk to her because we talked about this extensively if you want to talk to barbara more seriously this is this is something that's supposed to be out well i i frankly i'm glad it's in and if someone has a small leak in their home and they just let the leak get larger and larger and larger until it finally bursts and ruins your whole floor or your whole bedroom and or your whole attic or if you're on a second floor and you allow that little simple leak to get worse and then now you have a tub falling through to the bottom floor you don't want to allow well what i what i see is we have we would have dilapidated um properties around the county that when they come in now to rebuild they're going to get around they're going to be allowed to get around um the intent and i have a neighbor across the street uh there's a gentleman who has two houses in gopher where she's letting fall apart so barbara barbara i'm not sure about a lot to add to it other than what you guys have discussed which is it does go beyond what you required in the in the female model ordinance it does give some unbridled discretion just the way it's written it could be misinterpreted or misapplied you just got to be careful when you delegate you know to staff and that's what these ordinances do um and so you know that's that's some of the concern but you've got a very fine county attorney there and uh it does go beyond the ordinance it was discussed being taken out i think it's out of the other ordinance you just passed so um i think now we have two different ordinances unless we can go back to i need to go back and look at because this is we're in the chapter 18 now yeah so i think it's already out of the other one so that might be helpful to go look at what you just adopted and just be consistent so so and reading the language i it seems pretty specific to me it says the period of accumulation begins when the permit for the first improvement or repair of each building is issued and extended for one year or until the permit is closed is that yeah it's the next line down we're looking at yeah

and and again when you can have someone decide what wilford intent is or a camilla of neglect i mean you could have somebody who was away for six months whatever you want to go by those examples a leak happens they don't know about it it accumulates it gets there is it willful that they weren't there and now you're going to get a staff person make that decision and again the difference with this is again it's out of the other ordinance that was pulled out this is added in here and it doesn't have to be in there and i don't want to give any more flexibility to staff unless it's dictated by law at this point so i want to have less control from the staff person than to what's in all the other state and federal audiences that have been adopted well we don't have any uh if you want us to take it out so we take it out well it's a public hearing we can take public comment and then what's back to the board did you want her to say something sally yeah and he's still in the it's still in the first one yes okay all right so public hearing uh does anyone wish to address the board on this item madam chair we have no one pre-signed or online for this item okay madam chair yeah um page 9 of 11. it says the interior portion of such enclosed areas shall not be partitioned or finished into separate rooms except for stairwells ramps elevators unless a partition is required by fire code is that it elsewhere or is that just something we've added in so this this was part of the non-conversion agreement and it's in the florida building code as well so nicole we're not doing anything extra okay but i i did ask if you if you're quoting something that's in the florida building code to put the number there it's there it's r322.3.6 yeah i'm in the strikethrough i don't i don't see the the citation to the support of the building code is so now that line right there includes the black and the red is what the florida building code says or did you add on the red line on the line our r322.3.6 enclosed areas the black part that you have printed in the red part are both of those part of what the florida building code is so they the the ones on black is in the is in the florida building called r323.6 the one that we've had it uh is the in red and it's underlined and it's in the non-conversion actually it's a part of the non-conversion agreement is this the florida building code number all right so what's your definition of finished but doesn't have to say fs or something no let someone put some tile on the bottom floor yes the point is for um

turning that bottom space into a habitable space when it's not supposed to be half at all no i mean it'd be headache it could be usable if someone would have a pool room if someone would have a ping pong tables in there and couches chairs you can't turn it into a bedroom that's what we're trying to bedroom's okay but i just don't see this yes that's what that means uh storage car parks that's still usable but it's not available okay it's back to us um i have a question okay madam sure how does this affect property owners values of their homes that if they've already do you have a habitable bottom floor or do they not this is for new construction and it doesn't affect when someone resells their home no he does not okay thank you okay so i think there was consensus that we wanted to keep like that one the language in for the loophole about um and then we got a strike prohibiting stemwall foundations but we we do need an amendment to change the title no so i have reviewed the document before you and the final document that was provided to the clerk's office has that removed correct the advertising and what was posted on your agenda apparently went from an earlier version where it was being prohibited and then it so it's come out so as long as the ordinance the ordinance that you're adopting symbol prohibiting stem wall construction is would be more more stringent so your your liberal eye based on facts and circumstances and testimony you are legalizing the ordinance so your advertising is still good and the ordinance before you can be adopted the way it's been proposed to you for approval okay under under discussion i want to say if we do find that there's issues we can we can fix it i i think i finish it with that line alone yeah i know i'm on the fence but i air i air in closing the loophole okay all in favor aye a roll call sorry okay uh commissioner one our district one commissioner oakley aye district uh two commissioner moore aye district four commissioner fitzpatrick aye district five commissioner mariano district three chairman starkey aye okay i know that was a lot of work for you guys thank you p-67 we have proof of publication of the hearing of this matter in the july 6 2022 edition of the tampa bay times item p67 is pd220364 it is an ordinance amending the pasco

county comprehensive plan providing for small-scale companies to plan amendments the future land use map map 2-15 and sheet 18 from res9 residential 9 dwelling units per gross acre to res 24 residential 24 dwelling units per gross week acre on approximately 2.81 acres of real property located on the west side of woodrow boulevard and north of old county road 54 and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for repeal or severability and an effective date and this comes to you with a recommendation of approval and to adopt the ordinance by roll call vote okay board members any questions on this one all right is the applicant here there is there a presentation on this the applicant's raising their hands in the background check what did they want to speak definitely all right um this is a public hearing does anyone wish to speak on amendment chair yeah steph's not presenting on this i i don't you're not presenting this that was it okay did i miss something i was taking care of something no i think i think several board members want a presentation okay let's go we can do a presentation okay maybe a motion to continue no no because i have no knowledge the logistical question here good afternoon doreen roy planning and development item p67 pdd 220364 the property is located in the west market area urban concentration area the proposal is to amend the future land use flue maps 2-15 and sheet 18 from res 9 to res 24 on it is located on the west side of wood trail boulevard and north of old county road 54. the resolution men future land use maps 2-15 and sheet 18 from res 9 residential 9 dwelling units per gross acre and rez 24 residential 24 dwelling acres per gross acre the following policies are consistent with the proposed comprehensive plan policy flu 8.1.1 west market area establishment policy flu 1.4.3 transitional land uses and policy flu 9.1.7 urban service area aerial of the location on the west side of wood trail boulevard and north of old county road 54. the existing future land use is res9 the proposed future land use is res 24. uh the existing zoning districts

multi-family two multiple family high density district and staff recommends the board of county commissioners find the proposed amendment consistent with the comprehensive plan and adopt by roll call vote here's the applicant's attorney good afternoon again barbara will height 6327 grand boulevard for the applicant the purpose of the amendment from res 9 to res 24 is to be able to increase uh by 29 units currently the current land use designation of the property allows 38 units and we would we are proposing to go to 67 units so it's a 29 unit increase the rezoning currently is mf2 and we have a pending rezoning that will come to you i think october 11th to mf3 the it's a very unique site it's uh i haven't seen very many infill projects i remember when i spoke to the client the first time he he called me and i said well how many wetlands were on site and he said what and i said what and he said i develop in cities i develop in la we don't have wetlands so to have a developer who has a vision for a property in an area that that without infill investment will continue to blight there is existing commercial strips to the north a couple of them a really good mexican restaurant to the north um in carmelita's but but and this kind of investment will change the area under capacity schools 54 that section of old 54 is still an arterial roadway really interesting is our bus stops we have a bus stop to the uh east on on little road there's what's called a future express service bus service and super stop location is planned in the vicinity of 54 and little which is within a walking or biking distance to the south so that's kind of unique it's within your spring district the harbors west market redevelopment and infill plan district and i can answer any questions we have um there's a notice on this on the on the property letters have gone out to neighbors my condos my client has worked with the condo association that is tucked up to the to the north of this piece of property and we'd ask for your support thank you okay so anyone um here who wishes to speak to this item we have no one signed up nor online for this item madam chair yeah um barf i could ask you a question

it was probably a few months ago we looked at this um we talked about a few different accesses or whatever did you make you have a site plan of any sort we don't have one with us today because we're at land use we will be back for rezoning on the 11th and can certainly bring a presentation regarding the specifics at that time okay thanks okay then um if there's no further questions is this your district or christina this is yours it's mine i guess we could have chair a unique piece of land there i guess we can assume what it's gonna be but i can't make that assumption at this time but i would assume and i won't make an assumption but we don't want to go to rez24 yeah but we'll wait for the next turn okay so public online when will we have additional information oh he can't hear okay why don't we have the additional information on the site plan so i think ms wilheit said that that even though it is a euclidean straight zoning that she's coming back with she would that they would be willing to discuss a site plan at that hearing for zoning okay second okay um it is a roll call vote district one commissioner oakley aye district two commissioner moore aye district four commissioner fitzpatrick aye district five commissioner mariano district three chairman starkey aye okay p 68. we have proof of publication of the hearing at this time in the july 6 2022 edition of the tampa bay times item p68 is pd220454 it's an ordinance by the pascual county board of county commissioners amending the pasco county land development code chapter 1100 special development standards section 1101 vehicle dealerships and other sections as necessary for internal consistency providing for applicability repealer providing for severability inclusion into the land development code and an effective date this is the uh first presentation to accept public comment or excuse me accept public adopt the proposed ordinance by roll call vote and authorize the chairman to execute the ordinance amendment this would be the second reason yes the adoption hearing um board members do you need a full presentation or we've heard it before got this done before it expired so i'm very grateful is there anyone here that wants us to speak to this ordinance okay so want i want to thank staff and all our um dealerships that were involved in this we had great representation from furman larry morgan scott fink rich beckish and others um karkavi was involved we had some used car

dealerships involved in the discussion and i think this will go a long way to help and clean up some of that blight and make sure that that we have a fair process going forward mr mariano thank you madam chair and i want to congratulate you on doing a great job with us this was a tough issue it dealt with the used car dealerships we had the most trouble with but at the same time then you improved everything else with it so great job with it i'll move approval thank you very much all right so is it a roll call as well it is okay district bunk commissioner oakley aye district two commissioner uh moore aye district four commissioner fitzpatrick aye district five commissioner mariano aye district 3 chairman starkey a happy eye okay we are now going to go to the um the addendum it's ap 149. madam chairman uh in this particular matter there was a discrepancy in the advertisement that uh appeared in the uh tampa bay times on august the 10th where the day was shown as tuesday august the 24th today's date as a result staff in consultation with the county attorney's office posted the door yesterday the tuesday in order to provide information that it would be heard at this time okay thank you very much item ap 149 is pd220528 it's an ordinance amending pasco county ordinance number 18-26 expanding the boundaries of the epperson north community development district pursuant to chapter 190 of florida statutes providing for miscellaneous provisions providing for an effective date and this is comes with a recommendation to approve and adopt the ordinance by roll call vote is that it okay do we need uh a presentation by anyone else guys madam chair yep no i would say on this item in the next item no i don't think we need to we don't know what a cdd is okay they're expanding their boundaries it's not rocket science terry you may want to explain how 149 and 150 are linked if you know so then i'll do it 149 and 150 are linked because one of them is expanding the boundaries and the other one is contracting the boundaries you will end up with basically swapping land into a different cdd designation but the land is all going to stay in the same cdd and i'll look at mr lawson to make sure that i'm saying that right thank you and so that's how that all they're doing is taking it out of one cdd that they're in control of and putting it in a second cdd they're in control of

for their repo okay so then uh is there anyone signed up to speak to this yes ma'am we have uh dana crosby collier okay uh is there anyone online that wishes to speak to this item not to this item no ma'am okay then um i will go for approval second all right it is a roll call vote uh district one commissioner oakley aye district two commissioner moore aye district four commissioner fitzpatrick aye district five commissioner mariano aye district three chairman stark aye 150 ap1 uh again as was noted on the previous item the same discrepancy as to the day and date and it was posted on the door of the commission chambers for hearing at this time it was published in the august 10th 2022 edition of the tampa bay times item ap 150 is an ordinance amending pasco county ordinance number 18-01 as amended contracting the boundaries of the epperson ranch 2 community development district pursuant to chapter 190 florida statutes providing for miscellaneous provisions providing for an effective date this comes with the recommendation of approval and adopt the ordinance by local vote okay i'm going to assume there's no one signed up to speak to this either the only one signed up is the representative okay district one commissioner oakley aye district two commissioner moore aye district four commissioner fitzpatrick aye district five commissioner mariano aye district three chairman starkey hi thank you very much we are now on to uh public hearings um the cao will read the procedures including explanation of love that's what it says there are two rezoning agendas regular and consent staff will present each application of the board of county commissioners if staff or planning commission has recommended approval and there's no opposition the application will be be considered by the board without further presentation if staff or planning commission has recommended denial or if there is opposition to the application the applicant will be given five minutes for presentation the opposition will be given three minutes for each individual or five minutes for a group representative and the applicant will be given three minutes for rebuttal any individual disagreeing with staff or planning commission recommendation or anyone wishing to object to any condition of the rezoning may at this time request the petition be pulled from the consent agenda in which case that application will be heard under the regular agenda later on during the meeting otherwise all resounding applications on the consent agenda will be approved by a single

august 9th uh board of county commissioners meeting to today at which time proof was provided item p70 is pd 22 bdd227614 it's a zoning amendment by the name of 54 crossings mpud master planner development by colwell avenue properties 4 llc a substantial modification request to add an additional allowed use of a technical trade in nursing school utilizing a maximum of 76 447 square feet of existing office entitlements on approximately 22.16 acres this is coming with a recommendation to continue to the september 6 2022 bcc hearing in dade city at 1 30 p.m okay um if this says district four yes i'll do a motion to continue but i'm gonna on that next date mosh to continue it back to newport richie i you know i i can't imagine anyone coming to object to this if we want to get it done i'm i'd be okay on this one to get it done in date city i i don't know what the rest of you think i think the citizens on this side of this county should have be able to have a input and not have to drive to date city yeah i just don't think well maybe i'm assuming is there a date that it's requested to be continued to allow nursing at nursing school yeah i don't i dis yeah i agree with you madam chair i mean i understand when we have a contentious item that's why we want to make sure it's on the side but this is an issue this is a this is a school trade school do they have a date that they would like it continued to uh i believe they have they're actually part of a funding agreement with the county so that their the property is involved in an oeg um so this is kind of a time there's an economic development dimension associated with time with the essence of this yeah okay so uh motion to continue to date and then uncertain got to be re-advertised oh no we we i think there's a well i've heard from two me and commissioner moore is there anyone else who's okay to hear it in date city i'm okay i'm okay i've been working all right so we have to give to this one all right so how about commissioner let's just do a staff recommends are you okay with that yeah okay you want to make the motivation man but they didn't recommend a date yeah no they did they said the seven continuance requests to september 6th 6th okay all right one third to continue okay uh p-71 uh this uh item two was continued from the august 9th 2022 board of county commissioners leading to today at which time proof was provided

item p 71 is pd 227563 it's a zoning amendment by the name of palmetto ridge mpud master plan unit development palmetto ridge cattle com bike palmetto ridge cattle company llc it's a rezoning request from the mpud master plan unit development district between mpud master plan unit development district to change the name of the mpud and to allow the development of a maximum of 2500 residential units detached and attached 50 000 square feet of commercial uses a 49.24 plus or minus acre potential school site a 5.03 plus or minus acre potential public safety site and 2 000 plus or minus acres of open space recreation on approximately 3535.79 acres this comes with a recommendation to approve with conditions and also i believe i there's a someone signed up to speak to the item so oh they did someone signed up so we'll have to take it out the consent well uh rob the park is that an applicant um is rob parker no that's not an applicant but that's a webex list is it yeah is he online then pull it off consent okay all right um p72 p-72 we have a publication of this matter in the july 6 2022 edition of the tampa bay times um what one second i'm sorry there was a rob park here and then it says he left the call did he think he's not going to be able to speak is he still online oh okay just and mr brock is also listed in this on this item for the list i have okay okay so then we'll have to pull that one off the consent want me to read it um yep go ahead that's the end of the consent no it isn't you've got well mine needed p73 um p72 is a zoning amendment by the name of pasco town center mpud master plenary development by ptc boyet llc it's a resorting request from an ac agricultural and c2 general commercial zoning districts to an mpud master plan unit development district to allow the development of 4 million square feet of industrial support 725 000 square feet of office 400 000 square feet of retail 300 hotel rooms and 3 500 residential dwelling units on approximately 966.87 acres this comes with a recommendation of approval with conditions and there's a speaker okay since we have someone here to speak we will pull that out for consent we have one more consent item p-73 we have um [Music] winding book trail steinsteiner yes are you familiar with this particular note no so it says that you didn't advertise it basically um the insta caller public

works and the association that agreed to waive the usual notice requirements it's an agreement between the association and the county and they'll agree to waive the notice requirements and refresh my recollection on this one they were going to pay the associate they were going to pay the assessments and so none of the liens would attach to any property except for theirs yes that's correct okay that's and that's okay that's why it is because the only the only property owner subject to this lien is the hoa said that they'd wave notice right okay then you can proceed here's the call that public works and this is just reading it into the records um this is a wine in brook trail a resolution agreement pves number 3509 and it's an agreement between westbrook estate homeowners association and pasco county for the repaving of a section of winding brook trail from gateway boulevard east and north to the cul-de-sac the project estimated cost is 42 600 staff is recommended approved bob is there anyone here in opposition to this take a motion approved second all in favor aye aye okay so we're back to p71 and then you'll have to come back ainsley sorry good afternoon everybody tammy snyder planning and development madam chair do you mind just a question i guess oh good mr steinsteiner um as far as i'm concerned there was no uh my recollection there was no uh opposition at planning commission on p7273 i personally do not need a presentation 71 or 72 71 or 72 that it would be up to the board if yeah i don't think we all know we all met with publicly i would assume we all met with staff in the past on this item i don't know why we need to go through it again we can let the citizen um speak their objections if they have one and then ask questions in reference to his objections that works for me is the board okay yeah okay the person signed up mr rob park do we have to read it into the record he already did he did you got piece of the one all done okay so mr park if you'd like to address the board okay yes my name is rob park 96 14 aaron cut off road land of lakes florida three four six three nine afternoon swarm item 71 palmetto rich community thank you for hearing me please know who i would get off topic with a few of my points i know you've grown aware of the issues but the just as the wording for the future planning must be addressed now the late 70s when i first started coming out to pasco county the county had an existing road network to accommodate the zoning in place at the time the roads were out to accommodate the amount of existing

zoning today in many areas mr park if you could uh move closer to your microphone because you're breaking up as you back away from it okay you're fine when you stay up close it's just when you back away from it thank you no worries so today in many areas the zoning has changed but not the road number some of the roads are now bigger of course bigger is better having a 14 lane intersection for the through road that's been stopped three lane left turn through vehicles passing within two feet at 55 miles an hour and your car shutters from the wake of the air that's better so i would like you to consider putting wording in this consent that will address state road 52 having a wide split between the east and westbound lanes split about 1500 feet or so wide in any of the applicants commercial crossroads planned along state route 52 the east and westbound lanes there would be long sweeping turns i did send a pdf to that between the east and westbound lanes and eliminate traffic lights no traffic lights on state road 52 speeds can be reduced and travel time is shorter don't need six cars now to come out of the community at an intersection and stopping 60 cars if you don't act now then history will repeat itself congestion at intersections just like we have now i urge you not to pass the consent until additional ordering in place i would also like to see wording that addresses traffic generated by the development staying on artillery because there is a huge problem in this area where vehicular traffic is using collector rose as an arterial and you can see my little cut base it's tough but it's it's different than what we're doing now i'm trying to understand the picture in front of me but i i wanted you to i wanted to make sure you're aware that 52 is being widened um moved it up about two years yeah they they moved it up and um there is one last section what commissioner oakley which is the section that will be last well that'll be from uh 41 to aaron cutoff and then aaron cut off to the uh bellamy yeah but it is going to be one i'm going to do it in two sections so well that's what i'm showing you instead of widening your eastbound lanes are to the south and your west yeah so that that that ship has sailed

there that's a state project and they're buying the right-of-way and um i think that that's pretty much that's pretty well that route's pretty well established as a fdot project orange 56 that's what i'm pointing out somehow i am so sorry but you are cutting in and out i don't know why um but you know what if you want to come in and meet with me sometime i'd love to hear your ideas okay great thank you for that okay is there anyone else that wishes to speak to the board on this issue is there anyone else online no not for this side i'll take a motion on p-71 can i ask a question of staff yep 52 is there right away going to be needed here no do we already have it pulled up their work program on proposed improvements for state road 52 just now i'll just read you an excerpt from shady hills road to i-75 the rural typical section will provide a 46-foot median separating three 12-foot lanes for each direction of travel they obviously would once they go through their design they would have right-of-way acquisition that goes through their process but fdot would be best poised to answer that question i don't have that information here okay i mean this wouldn't be a developed owner that would actually look to get that ahead of time you know uh and and i got it and that he might be directed to come to an npo meeting where fdot is there when and where we discuss these things mr oakley i have a question it's on uh p72 we're not we're not there yet i thought you were talking about though or p71 okay no question on p7 okay but i will take a motion madam chair can we give the applicant a chance to rebut just since there was public comment the applicant should have a chance to rebut if they want to does the applicant wish to rebut two has indicated he he's not gonna revive okay joel two to an associates i represent the applicant which also is the property owner and no we have no rebuttal since it's a d.o.t project it's driven entirely by their design their requirements and yes it's it's in the work program and and the budget funds allocated okay thank you okay move approval second all in favor aye aye opposed okay uh because if mr park comes back on for piece 72 i'm going to suggest he he comes to an npo meeting where where f dot is there and he can ask his questions is mr parks still on the line yes i'm here okay oh good all right we'll uh we'll get if you can uh um go online to uh to the pasco county site and see when the mpo meeting meets i don't know when

it is exactly right now until october i don't think it'll be of be over here in uh newport richie because we just met in dade city um f dot's there and you can ask any questions that that's a good way to find your answers well okay yes ma'am the reason that i'm bringing it to you is because if you don't put it in wording now then if f dot says well yeah that's a great idea we'll do that and then no you're not i already have it approved that you can't do that that's all i'm they're just trying to get wording in well we we don't control the state the state development so it's their engineering it's their their program not ours madam chairman if yep if mr park has comments on this i item you need to take it right on p72 yes yes um do we have to read it into the record we already did okay so is there anyone here who wishes to speak to p72 we have no one signed up in the room mr park do you have any other further comments when the i-75 interchange at that development they need to split it you know if the road the westbound lanes were behind the pipe uh truck stop if you all don't put that in the burning that never happened well that that's that's that's going to be a separate project that's going to be a a big development back there yeah i'm i don't i think that that road is also done already right okay mr t mister two the applicant is coming to the microphone joel two two and associates again and i have been sworn i was remiss last time sorry i also represent the applicant who's the property owner of pasco town center again state road 52 and i-75 of course are fdot-controlled facilities uh that interchange has already been constructed we have to comply with the fdot you know design requirements but with that said the applicant mr biles previously mr carbella now and your transportation department have been very active in working with the ot to come up with the access points east of the interchange so that it can facilitate not only pasco town center but also flying j and also the new project north of 52 that you referred to so everyone is collaborating they form basically a task force to try to get dot to approve a better way of access on and off from

52 east of that interchange and is that resolved uh we think it's very close to being resolved and the good news is thanks to the input from your county administration and all the different stakeholders it seems to be headed in what all the parties think is the right direction at d.o.t great okay so it's again it's out of our control other than we're trying to get it done you know the best way for the county and the projects well wow i need clarification because it came to my attention that um somehow in that project of pasco town center they were changing the name of mckendree road to boyet i can't tell you how many calls and how many emails i got from mckendree families that didn't want to name it yeah let's confirm that again that came up at planning commission as you know when we confirmed that there pasco town center was not trying to rename mckendree the problem is it's on the long-range the county's long-range transportation plan that mckendree will become boyette but we received an edict from the county administrator's office that that will continue to be mckendree wrote so we stated that on the record obviously we're going to call it what the county calls tells us to call it and we've been told to call it mckendree we love mckendree we're going to call it mckendree well that makes my citizens well it keeps all this it keeps all those people from having to change their address obviously on the mostly on the southern end of the project south of us right but yes sir will be mckendree and we've asked our engineers and planners to please label it mckendree on everything so people don't get upset okay thank you okay if there's no more comment it's to the board on this project all in favor aye opposed okay that's a big one p-74 look it we're clearing out the room ends the call to the public works celebrate we have proof of publication of the hearing of this matter in the july 20th edition of the tampa bay times um this is a seagull drive fevas project number 3471. yeah seagull pivas project number three four seven one there are five streets come to maintain and fave um the total estimated project cost is approximately five hundred and forty four thousand the maximum cost for eru is four thousand four hundred and twenty five dollars and forty nine cents the discounted amount is one hundred and four thousand nine hundred eighty two dollars and eighty one cents uh maximum cost after the discount is um 3569 and 11 cents

in terms of um the votes there were 127 possible votes 66 responded which is 52 and off that number 49 or 74 were in favor of the project 17 or 26 percent were against the project the repayment is over 10-year period at an interest rate of 3.25 interest next week uh this is a location map next um an example of the road conditions staff is recommended approved okay um all right um is there anyone here in opposition of this p-74 i'm going to try it that way you have to let anybody everyone can speak yes okay i think we have someone coming um do you have to read the advertisement on this no okay oh is he coming up i believe this gentleman may be for the next item okay so there's no one here on p74 okay to the board online phone anyone online uh not for this item approval second all in favor aye aye okay uh on p75 uh we have proof of publication of the hearing of this matter in the july 20th 2022 edition of the tampa bay times is the call by public works this is the johnston road pavement assessment project number 3497 there's one street count maintained in pave the total estimated project cost is and 357 three dollars the total estimated project cost to be assessed for the project and this is because this is a cut-through um road the amount to be assessed with a hundred and sixty-four thousand six hundred and forty dollars um the maximum cost per eru is 1 963 and four cents the discounted amount is ten thousand eight hundred and forty dollars and 88 cents and the maximum cost per eru after the discount is one thousand seven hundred and twenty two dollars and twenty eight cents next uh there were possible 195 votes we got um 90 which is equal to 46 which responded of that number 45 were in favor and 45 were against 50 and 50 the annual um installment is over 10-year period the interest rate is 3.25 percent interest uh this is a location map johnson road between 19 us-19 and zimmerman next and this is an example of the condition of the road is this the first time this one's come to us no no it seems i've seen this before this came before we were going to take a look at doing a sidewalk project and everything else but we're just sticking with the road project at this point yeah

it's not much of a road left no it's terrible okay all right uh is there anyone here who wishes to speak to this item do we have anyone signed up on this one uh mr roger hatfield and then we'll have mr mccoy [Laughter] good afternoon name and address please roger hatfield 7139 james street i have a few properties on james street i have one that touches johnson out of those i've had these many many years 25 years i've paid the taxes on time so forth um we use 200 feet anybody on james which is where the map was yeah why don't you put the map back up first off in 19 as soon as you turn off the 19 the first right right there that's the james it's a small dead end road um we used 200 feet of that johnson has been that way for over the 25 years that i've lived there same way it looks exactly the same as it did 25 years ago um kind of feel like we're being penalized a little bit for loaning land at this point it was considered a cut through now school buses use it to go from 19 to john to zimmerman um i don't feel that we originally when we came brought this up we talked about being assessed for just the sidewalks and street lights then you were going to probably put it into another project to have the county pay for the road and we'd be assessed just for sidewalks and street lights well you say you have 200 feet but if someone's coming in from the right-hand side they have the whole road to get to your street you don't have to to get to james but you can i don't use it because of the condition the road's been in 25 years right so i'm not used to using it right but you know but we're still being assessed for the whole road when we really only need 200 feet to get in um ainsley what is their assessment 100 percent they i don't have the percentage but assessment is not based on the um frontage it's based on the zoning and the size of the parcel so it's not based on the 200 feet frontage but it's on the size of the parcel so here it says 25 exactly it's not it's one immediate 25 percent that's a 25 sorry 50 25 percent is green 50 is blue well he's james street so he's 25 so that's pretty fair so were you the no votes yes that's that stack in your hand and how many properties do you have there i have uh seven seven okay thank you very much

okay is there anyone else karen karen that's the last person we have signed up at this time does someone else if you want to speak to this please line up okay um you can um pull that mic down and then name an address for the record please my name is karen garten and i live at one one three three four it's been the yeah it's been it's bad there you go there you go leisure lane port richie three four six six eight i've lived in this area for 35 years johnson road had not been dealt with as an entirety in that time we have had patchwork done over and over again and where i'm at in the neighborhood i'm known for the fifty shades of gray for six years straight i did a video of the same road and it had the same problem same holes just a little bit bigger um at some point that one of the the holes was actually six inches deep now the main problem that we saw was drainage that part of 19 that starts at johnson is i guess it goes a b and c for the flood zoning that's a to the left right on 19. as soon as you start that part of johnson all the way down it's b that has a change and it floods if any person just stands on any corner you can see the different rakes in the the road which we do want our road fixed we really do i'm gonna be voting for it to get fixed well the problem we have is you're putting the cart before the horse the drainage issue does need to be taken care of and i did meet with them in regards to what their plan is for swales and and such on the sides of the roads we've had that and it didn't work um so to do the same thing just so in four or five years oh well you know you really do need a pipe and an outlet well you're tearing up a road you just charged us a hundred and sixty-five thousand dollars for that most of the residents are still going to be paying for for another five to ten years okay well there is a property in the middle when you go from 19 to rampart that is owned by you guys picked it up for taxes it's a double lot and can facilitate a retention pond where if they still use some sort of maneuvering can channel at least the water from 19 and rampart to there now the rake in the of the property or the pitch is not going to change on the street so from rampart to zimmerman it's it's a big decline and there is a spot at the corner of johnson and scallop that is pretty deteriorated and because the water puddles now i know you did the project where you

tore the house down on scallop and cleaned out the pipe right there it still floods it does not it doesn't it didn't change the problem it just eliminated it for a little bit because we didn't have the heavy rains so to make it to where the waters from johnson in that that specific intersection to go traveling i guess that's north towards the lake is not a feasible plan and i only know because my son lives right off of there and it still floods so the only like i did say um the other problem we have is gonna have two seconds correctly okay because once the road is paved it's already a speedway for travelers and people that cut through we have children that ride their bikes to gulf highlands elementary and people do like to walk it is pitch black at night and there's not any sidewalk or room on the sides for people to get off the road if oncoming traffic is coming so if they plan on doing the drainage as they say with the old plan of swales people won't have a place to walk or even dart if they happen to be full of water and it makes it unsafe for people to travel without a sidewalk so when i asked what would you do in order to do it so you wouldn't be ruining somebody else's work you need to do the drainage first then the sidewalk then the road otherwise you're tearing up an existing road or bringing concrete trucks on a brand new road to do sidewalks okay um so i really would implore that how how are we doing sidewalks on this road it's not a arterial collector road so how is the cap you already have half the road has sidewalks the part that's considered gulf highlands actually has sidewalks up until rampart i just i don't so unless this is a collect is this okay thank you very much ainsley is going to come up and answer some questions um in terms of drainage we have looked into drainage we are finalizing a comprehensive drainage plan i met with miss garten on friday and we explored um all that we're doing that we're finalizing that um she brought up some points and we'll be addressing those in terms of sidewalk we have spoken to um cdbg community development block grant and um they're willing to explore uh funding uh the sidewalk i'm working on the final uh details but that's part of the plan for this project this is not a collector it's not or an arterial so okay it's a cut through it it qualifies as i cut through okay commissioner mariano so the cut through what qualified it for the 50 yes that's why you have the reduction right okay um i mean we tried to do the

sidewalk project i thought it was going to be put into the paving assessment as well but that i guess that didn't happen you have to do it separately for the people just on johnson but if you can do cdbg i think it's a great idea um we did some other work in east brown acres not too far away the drainage i obviously want to see that done first we were out there looking a few different things i'd like you to take her suggestions about if we have that property on on johnson road that can take drainage if it works great i think there's even another parcel around the corner it's a bigger person around the corner that not really developable it might might help as well so i and i think we've talked about this already so i would like to see maybe a presentation done on on it i'm going to support this thing going forward because this road's been waiting a long time it's going to be critical for traffic being able to go two different ways right along 19 getting across so i think it is important i think because it does get paid it'll get used more um there was no more public comment correct uh is there might have been there's more let's let's get more public if there's any more if there's anyone else wishing to speak to this item you have to come up to the mic right now and if this is the only person and there's no is there anyone online uh not for this item this will be our last speaker on this item thank you good afternoon my name is john kane i live at 7333 dalvin court which is part of this project i've been there for 36 years there is a lift station which is represented as a little tiny white square on scallop and johnson road adjacent to that property is a large blue square that has become overgrown actually um we have homeless living there why couldn't that area be turned into a retention area slash park and alleviate some of the drainage issues that are downstream into gulf highlands which we spend a lot of county tax dollars taking trucks and sucking that lake and bringing it uphill and dumping okay commission mariana yeah the the lake that we used to do that with um back to trucks etc just right above ashwood there mr carbella come up with a brilliant idea years ago about there's actually a pipe that actually takes the water up north

since he's taken it up it actually drains out fairly well uh the skull drive property we'll look at that we did some improvements on there as well we can take a look at that but i think his idea about looking at that parcel is a great idea i've looked at it before as far as a lot of it is um wetland area so it's sitting low there's outers around that could be uh additional but i think that's a good idea so i'm gonna make approval of the project uh with the drainage ideas mentioned by both residents one for the big square there the other for actually pascal utilities if there's another parcel along johnson that works let's let's go do that with a comprehensive drainage plan uh and i would like to see staff as well bring back a street light assessment project up and down the whole area as well and that large blue box is privately owned yeah we do not want it correct at this time okay um i had one question is this a full depth uh project or is this a different kind of project is it full depth reclamation or is that not needed here oh just mail and repave okay okay um all right so we have a motion and a second all in favor aye opposed okay thank you very much thank you all for coming what number was that that was 75. okay 76. uh this matter was continued from the june 21st board of county commissioners meeting to august 9th and then again at that meeting to this day and publication was provided for the original hearing back in good june william vermillion planning and development uh there has been changes to the uh conditions of approval if i can enter those into the record it is a natural resources condition number 12. do we have to have a motion to receive we're doing 77 or something we're doing 76. motion to receive and file second on favor bye this is item pd 227585 eagle 2 industrial ec mpd here's the location map south of state road 52 to the west of bellamy brothers the current zoning district is ac to the north as ar to the east is impudi to the south as ac to the west is ac the future land use of this parcel is ec to the north is res 1 to the south is res 3 to the east as you see to the west as you see proposes a rezoning request from ac agricultural to an ec mpd employment center master plan unit development district to allow for the development of 2 million square feet of corporate business park target business light

industrial uses and 150 000 square feet of support commercial on approximately 321.13 acres this is the cpev sub-area map at the top is the current cpv sub-area map and on the bottom is proposed after these changes to eagle 2 in terms of entitlements this is the master plan the proposed development is within the cpv central pasco employment village and the parcels are currently vacant they're being used for agricultural pursuits effective august 24 2021 the landowners within this eagle 2 ecm beauty entered into that certain exchange agreement for cpv master plan use designations for portions of swope cocalacas east parcels which is now recorded in or book 10426 page 461 of public records at pasco county florida can you go back to the last slide please for a moment the one before that this one master plan okay thank you the applicant is seeking the following variations from the land development code section 805.6 and 902.2 m to allow industrial parcels under single ownership to maintain their storm water ponds wetlands and open space without having to plat them as separate tracks and convey to a separate entity for maintenance all activity maintenance or restrictions in such areas shall be in accordance with the requirements of the environmental resource permit the applicant has also submitted a non-substantial modification to the sr-52 industrial employment center master plan unit development to revise the entitlements on parcel 2 to be solely light industrial and increase the square footage from 482 7880 to 700 000 square feet of light industrial this will serve as the support commercial for both eagle one and eagle two it will all be allocated on the eagle two and beauty going back eagle one is the all purple parcel that is directly abutting equal to to the east you'll notice that the map on top the red shifts to all purple below and it's because of this non-substantial modification moving those support commercial entitlements to eagle 2. the county is prepared to purchase orange belt trail right of way along the southern portion of both eagle 1 and eagle 2 as set forth in the conditions of approval or has the option to use an existing easement if the if agreement is reached with the beneficiary and that's a 30-foot easement and pasco county would buy 30 feet north of that to make a total of 60 feet okay uh i'll i won't stop you until you're done with your presentation absolutely this is a graphic depiction of that orange belt trail it's pretty hard to tell from here but there's a hatched area that indicates

the easement and then you have the overall red area which would include the 30 feet north that the county has an option to purchase the proposed request is consistent with the pasco county ldc chapter 400 subsection 402.2 zoning amendment mpd master plan unit development and applicable provisions of the pasco county comprehensive plan the planning and development department recommends approval with conditions the planning commission voted 3-1 for denial with the changes they voted 3-1 no the changes happened prior to in between pc and bcc it was denied on the fact of the trail okay yeah and um uh so i have questions i don't know if the applicant wants to go first or would we ask our questions now i would suggest you to take the applicants okay we'll have the applicant's presentation and mr carmilla who is gonna besides me speak about the trail on your staff who is your trail czar today sam sam's here sam okay good afternoon uh cynthia spidell stearns weaver 401 east jackson street and i have been sworn um we worked really hard to get to this point we've worked out all issues um thank you very much we want to thank william vermillion brad tippin terry pittas and david goldstein and all of you for taking the time to work out these issues and uh i have a full presentation uh but that's at your at your pleasure if you'd like me to present that um or if you have any specific questions but with that we um you know we just thank you for your time and we support staff's recommendation of approval i guess um one of my first questions would be um if you have if there's any objections from your neighbors on that not to my knowledge and i see one here yes i just want to be sure um well he can speak for himself but we have uh worked really hard we've met with him subsequent to the planning commission meeting um to remove to move the road alignment again um during that call they indicated that they were okay with that revised alignment so we based our revisions and resubmitted to the county based on that phone call so what before you is based on what we understand they're okay with and then we worked really hard with staff to come up with orange trail options and um so like i said we're very happy to answer any other questions and the landowners here as well okay so did zomers have questions madam chair i i just wanted to wait and hear from you know the public that's here to make sure we're all on the same page i know we stated everybody worked hard to fix that road alignment i know that was from me watching the planning commission meetings that was obviously one of the um things that needed to get worked out um with your your neighbor and then i know the trail was a big part of it too so i guess i'm just waiting to

hear those two items have confirmation that everybody's on the same page now right and i do have some questions about um and i apologize if you know the purchase price for any additional um right away that we'd be purchasing as well well that's what i'm going to have sam talk about yeah so that those are the seem to be on the same page so so what we did for the right-of-way acquisition is we threw in the 30-foot easement for free we based the additional 30 feet that you would be purchasing based on the comps in the area and then averaged it over the over the 60 feet so um so that it would be comparable with what occurred to the west of the property so that options in there but obviously if you can get the easement or the beneficiary of the easement to allow you to use the trail then obviously the client's willing to give that to you for free yeah so so and then i'll reserve um any other additional comment based on rebuttal if that's okay okay thanks cynthia we boy we put a lot of put a lot of hours into this one yeah i think there was an issue about some of that right away because that yeah we're having to get right away over tampa bay right right away so uh on that 30-foot easement on the bottom um the um saint pete had the original easement um and when tampa bay water was formed that that language went over to tampa bay water and um sam has been working very hard on this and um tampa bay water has agreed that they don't need the easement so if you want to speak to that um right with our alignment sam bennick with engineering services um i can't say it better than you mem the tampa bay water controls that easement um and and we did get response from tampa bay water that they didn't object they had some some pretty reasonable conditions that we would you know expected and would would comply with if we we did go ahead and locate a trail along that alignment all right so we um our next little challenge will be moving eastward um but we are going to tackle that one next yeah but i'm glad we have this one worked out commissioner oakley the vision road that i've seen on the maps have come through there there's no set alignment of that because that doesn't the vision road is to the north now but it's north of where the that easement for the sidewalk yes and that that vision road has a trail along it as well so people can um will be able to live uh in the development and get to work without going on the road if they didn't want to but what i understand that that easement for that roadway is not set in stone so it doesn't mean it can't change or something um it's my understanding

madam chair the amputee when you approve this mpud you are effectively setting the alignment right through this empire okay because i was told oh no there's nothing set in stone but i will set it that was the reason the neighbor was objecting because it was in fact setting the alignment of the roadway through this mpd yeah and i have concerns of standard alignment and then um forcing that neighbor to do something he wouldn't want to do in his project coming forth without you know you probably need to hear from him but the applicant's representing that he's now okay with the alignment but this will set the alignment i want to be clear i haven't i haven't heard that so okay i've heard it but i've not heard it from him you know what you're saying madam chairman maybe you ought to take public comment then well better oh do you have a question for sam yeah say i'm sorry can you come back up yeah sorry i'm gonna make sure i'm on the same page take public comment afterwards all right um tell me again about the uh let's talk about the trail one more time okay can you put the route up please it okay so the applicant said they um are they're giving 30 they're giving uh 30 feet correct is it well we got it don't you can you go yes can you go to matt an easement of 30 feet but we need to purchase the additional 30 feet 30 feet no we don't if we needed it and that's why we don't think so that's why i'm wondering if we don't so you're basically telling us we're not going to need it now that was that's bellamy brothers is all the way to the right and i don't know if you if there's a slide that has that condition language but uh the the way that the condition is drafted okay it gives us the option um when notified by the applicant that a sale is pending um there's a period where the county has the option to either decide to not purchase right away or decide to purchase right away at that time right now our our study for this alignment is just getting underway and so if if it's acceptable to everyone i would suggest that we wait until the the applicant has need for us to make a decision and based on the best information at that time we can either uh purchase at a price that has been negotiated and agreed to um or or opt to continue this would allow us again to continue working with tampa bay water and go from an email which is a i mean we we trust their their email but i had a conversation too okay no that's good because i'm just being honest so

the last thing i'd want to do i mean is have to buy another 30-foot additional 30 foot easement at a current market rate with what it is now because it's the prices are inflated so we lose yeah so i'm hoping she's getting the map up because i want to give you a pic a big picture of what's happening in in this area so are we putting maps on or google earth whatever you want to cause you're going to pay a pretty penny for that yes sir if you're looking at current valuations now in pasco county what we would have paid two years ago or just be honest when when the purchaser paid what they paid for it you know i mean it's it's inflated now so i would be very we did work with uh our conservatives office and the pay that for real property for a trail i'm sorry i mean i'd just be concerned paying that high of price for an easter fire trail uh we i mean we did work with the the county staff who um have the we understand the the most direct um you know understanding of that issue and concluded that the um agreeing to a price now while we were not tied to having to purchase that right away was preferable to waiting and maybe having either a higher price later or getting into an extended debate about whether or not the you know what the definition of you know fair market value is given where we are in our study we now have a clear understanding of what the cost of that right away would be and so we can very accurately compare that against so what's that number um 81 000 per acre so give me a total well you can't talk from there i mean sorry i'm sorry for the record all of it is uh can both options are in condition 35 with the prices okay well just give me the price i mean for the public and everybody else i'll get the exact number

i hear rumbling it's not added up and the condition is just uh five point seven four four acres times eighty one thousand one hundred and twenty two five five five times eight is that what you're saying so yeah five points let's see let me do my math five times eight is four and some changes i'm gonna add three zeros so four hundred thousand plus four sixty five you're like look at that i could do that eight hundred and forty four if you were faster than one calculator okay i wouldn't do that all right so i wanted to show you what's happening here yeah but i don't think we're going to need it um so if you see erin cut off kind of is on your left and up here is tampa sporting clays but you don't want a trail going by and i thought originally we were coming up that southern edge and i thought that was going to be exciting but um the way uh we think it's going to go right sam is that we're going to jump onto this swift mud road going in cros that's uh cypress creek is that right and it comes up and uh comes up and it comes and you see where it um i don't have a pointer but you can see where it touches yeah right up there and that's where we reconnect with the orange belt trail and head east so um that's going to be a beautiful ride through that through that park so oh man i'm sure i don't disagree with you one bed i just don't want to pay you know almost 500 thousand dollars for yeah well there's right away there it's an easement that no one's ever used and um but when we've got permit but you feel confident very very water is going to they already said it pass it over then then i clarified it i had to make that purchase i'm sure the applicant would prefer not to have to sell it to us so because everybody wants to use the land anyways i could be wrong but but i know that's part of the condition to allow that to happen if we need it all right if you're confident i'll trust you so uh i appreciate all the parties working hard together and uh getting everyone on the same page and we thank tampa bay water and saint pete as well um now it's time for public comment come on up andy there's ryan andy joe scaglione i have been sworn in um i agree with mr goldstein that the approval of this p mpdu the um excuse me mpud sets the general alignment of the vision road with that understanding i do not oppose a location of the interlock connectability between eagle 2 and d d ranch which is my which is our family as shown on this uh mpud site map i'd like to thank um mr goldstein and william and uh staff for being uh i it's a shame that that this wasn't done at the planning commission that it had to come to this point there's been a lot of uh time and effort and and uh of of my engineer dan burgin

and matt maggard that i've had to spend to get to this point and it's it's uh it's it's i'm not happy that that it had to get to that point um i appreciate y'all looking after the taxpayers money uh mr moore mr oakley and and mistakenly that road uh the uh trail would be beautiful but thank you for getting that because um i i was having some heartburn um as the taxpayers paying 80 something thousand acre when it was just sold for 25 to 1 000 um back in july of last year so um so anyway thank you very very much appreciate you okay thanks andy okay is there anyone else that wishes to speak to this item all right it is to the board where is the road that he is now in agreeance too it was shown um in his slide is it part of your presentation it's on this pit here that that's the sliding the top show previously oh they changed it a little bit okay can i take a motion and he is in agreeances because he didn't say yeah yeah madam chair i'm i'm happier the our parties were able to work together and get through this i i don't disagree i think i wish we could probably i'm sure david himself too probably wishes this would have not had to continue to continue community through the planning commission and but we are where we are now so move for approval second all in favor and that include that includes the revised conditions that were passed out yes it does okay are you correct that that is part of my motion yes madam chair thank you all in favor aye aye aye all right that one's done we are putting a lot of jobs on the books today thank you very much he 77. b77 we have proof of publication of the hearing of this matter in the july 6 2022 edition of the tampa bay times we do have one person online good afternoon william vermillion playing and development this is stillwell pasco station in beauty pd 2276-13 here's an aerial view of the site it is right on old pasco road south of state road 52 [Music] future land use is res 12 to the north is ror to the south is pd and to the west is res 12. the current zoning is ar and ac to the north is c2 to the south as mpud and to the west is mpd the applicant is requesting rezoning from ac agricultural district and ar agricultural residential district to an mpd master plan unit development on approximately 29.23 acres they're asking for a maximum of 285 multi-family dwelling units

the applicant requests the following variations from the land development code ldc section 901.6 point d11 street design and dedication requirements ldc 907.1 f3 on-site parking and ldc 805.6 restrictions on post-development wetlands and upland buffers can you elaborate what those changes are yeah i'm not gonna wear that i knew the on street parking thing are you asking for the laboration sir yes oh it's my next slide ldc 901.6 d11 staff identified the following the applicant does not propose interconnections to the east or south because of the existing tampa bay golf and country club and the connections to the north will be made in the form of two pedestrian slash bike paths staff has determined that this connection in this form will provide better circulation between this development and the northern parcel in the future that that makes sense that's a gated community to the right ldc 907.1 f3 staff identify the following the applicant has requested to reduce the on-site parking ratio from 2.25 spaces per unit to two spaces per unit staff determine the reduction in the area of asphalt reduce heat and this ratio is above the 85th percentile peak parking demand in ite the parking study by razor transportation is included in this agenda packet ldc 805.6 staff identified the following the applicant has requested that a covenant shall impose a perpetual obligation to maintain operate repair replace insure and pay taxes upon the master developer the applicant has requested this variation because this project will be operated and maintained under common ownership there will be no homeowner property owners condominium owners merchant association this is the master plan this is their yield concept is that has that changed yes that's changed yes this is the original yield concept and you'll notice that all the products are one story that abut the tampa bay golf and country club i think there's some challenge on that on that edge yes on april 19 2022 a small kill comprehensive plan use amendment c pass 22 0 6 from res 3 to res 12 was approved by the border county commissioners the planning and development department has reviewed the requested variations and found that they meet or exceed the extent of the code on july 21 2022 the planning commission voted to recommend to the board of county commissioners unanimously the proposed request is consistent with the pasco county ldc chapter 400 subsection 402.2 zoning amendment master plan unit development with the applicable provisions of the pasco county comprehensive plan this comes to you with a recommendation of approval with conditions from planning commission

and planning and development department thank you thank you uh the applicant is opposed the applicant's representative is approaching good afternoon again barbara will height 63 27 grand boulevard newport richie excellent presentation the only thing i would say is that we are to say that we're multi-family units we are an mpud that has a specific permitted use it's one permitted use and permitted use says two stories or less detached attached units but not plotted as separate lots so um cannot be garden-style multi-family can't be anything over two stories they can be um and they they're and they're all commonly owned um under one under one project as was mentioned um by william one story along tampa bay golf and country club this project is if you master planned a project to kind of occur like this this is how it would occur in my view you have garden style apartments to the west you have single family detached to the west you have town homes to the west you have commercial to the north and wrapping around a little bit to the northeast you have this project and then you have a 55 and over community you have all the pieces of a master plan you have an existing road old pasco that's been improved it already has a five foot sidewalk which unlike a lot of roads it already has a five foot sidewalk on the east side a ten foot trail on the west 52 has been improved in this area also has sidewalks and trails the it'll be this will be a high-end what's called a build to rent project it will complement the two million square feet of corporate corporate business park that you to the west that you just approved p 76 we are p-77 last but least today i see and the four million square feet of industrial and 725 thousand square feet of office that you approve to the east of this project piece 72. i have my team available here and we have met with the the neighbor with the neighboring homeowners association um they have expressed uh their support i know there's somebody online i don't know who that is but would be ready to uh respond uh once we hear what uh i have to say thank you thank you um board members any questions yeah barbara please stay the picture that you showed me when we met a while ago do you have that aerial shot with the with the map we do we can get it up okay there's some changes that i recommend did they get incorporated in you wanted two units moved and they are they cannot just change their site um that quickly so they will continue to consider that but they have not uh changed their plan what what was the walkways so we talked to staff about

i talked to staff not we i talked to staff and staff needs to to talk about that one thing that we learned in the meeting subsequent to yours with one of the other commissioners um was that the orange boat orange belt trail when it comes up to bell and me is going to take a jog to the north so the this may be an offshoot of the orange belt trail um coming down our way but would not be the orange belt trail because it's going to jog to the north at bellamy and we are at old pasco so that's kind of a change so in once we learned that and talking to terry petos with the existing sidewalk infrastructure that's already in place they didn't think the spend for additional using mobility fees to put more uh pavement for pedestrians and bikes in this location especially because of the south it's going to be um it's going to be what the existing is the five feet sidewalk on this side would be something that they'd want to support but i'll let i'll let terry respond to you because it's really a staff issue if you want us to build a sidewalk off site for mobility fee credits we can certainly do that but it's you're spending the money doing that you're spending your money to correct you on something yes we don't know which way the orange belt's going to go if it's going to continue down old pasco i mean uh down the route to old pasco and then it's going to be an offshoot going north that is undetermined okay i only learned my facts from you also but it will be connecting to old pasco road and then heading south because there's a there are a lot of schools down on the south of this and um but i believe that the trail is on the west side of this road already the trail is on the wider path the 10-foot path is on the west side of old pasco our side has a five foot sidewalk internally what we can control is our sidewalks and we are doing a eight foot eight foot path um well well we have we have connections to the north and one's a multi-use yeah eight foot we what we can do is within our project and what staff has asked us to do is make an eight-foot path going to the north within our project connecting to the commercial parcel and a five-foot sidewalk to go to the north and those are set up on a grid as you can see our pedestrian and our open spaces are all based upon a grid so they're all connected and

designed that way so to the left is that that you can see where the yellow is that's the eight foot path to the right is the five foot sidewalk already in old pasco there is a five foot sidewalk the discussion with commissioner mariano was whether to make a do an additional sidewalk or path of eight feet or so within the old pasco right away going to the north and up your right of way that would be a you know a mobility fee project you'd be using your bike ped fees for that you don't have a ton of those but again we that's really a discussion for you to have with staff we're not opposed to doing an off-site project for mobility credits the extent that we have enough to pay for that off-site project with credits but that was that's the conversations and the conversations with staff and what we've done with our project that we control chris mariano um and so in my mind someone can tell me if i'm wrong or a five-foot sidewalk is not a path we need to have a definition that a path is a minimum of x amount of feet but it's not five feet first of all um and so and i had mentioned that about the the recreational opportunity going around that pond at the front um if that's fi that should not be five feet that should be wider and i had made the suggestion of going around the other pond too but um it's just it i don't think you can call a sidewalk a path personally madam chair yeah you were talking exactly the same things i was talking about in the two units that i talked about if you look where it says open play area 0.7 acres for all these people out here those two lots there that could open up that land to be a much better play area around that whole lake i think they should have a walking trail walking path for amenity inside everywhere along from old pasco road on their property running all the way up to the top of their property because the other two yellow areas aren't going to be built and who knows when it should be at least an eight-foot path running all the way north-south so if people gonna cross the street one way or the other or going up and down they got a path in place it's gonna be it's a it's a busy road it's gonna get busier if i can say a couple of things one i would never represent a sidewalk to be a path didn't do that yeah i don't do that yeah i agree i agree a path is eight ten minimum eight sidewalks or five or you know depending on where they're at sometimes they're less

with regard to the parks we have over three acres of parks my only client multi you know this is in the multi-family category although it's not garden-style multi-family my only client that is exceeding your neighborhood parks ordinance so the minimum requirement for neighborhood parks is a half acre the park we're looking at is 0.7 the park next to their amenity area is an acre these are in the linear parks if i could i could see it i would i could you know close enough up enough but the linear parks exceed the half acre as well so as mr pitos could probably explain to you because he says that often this is the site plan of a high quality build to rent project he has actually asked for their materials so he can as other people come in to pre-app with him he can share it with them and say this is what i'd like to see so yeah madam chair could you say tonight and again as always i appreciate everybody's comments but my time on this is um you know when we talk about the internal project itself and the sidewalks and in the parks okay they're falling they're going above and beyond already what what what what's required if somebody's going to go in there and want to lease one of these units they're going to look around if they don't think the sidewalks are quote pass or wide enough they won't go there they'll make a different choice so let the consumer make their choice once they drive in do they like or they don't like it i mean we don't need to do the architecture for them no but it it just it matters if you're calling a path part of your recreational uh park space or a lot of our applicants put ponds around stormwater pond put paths pass around stormwater ponds to get cut credit um against the neighborhood park requirement but that is not the case here it's not the why we why we show that amenity around our pond it's in addition to the park space actual open space park space meeting the minimum requirements that exceed your code i'm sure yeah commissioner moore these are like apartments they're just different the rental rental product is out there all the attractions that are going to go on all around it and hard to get to places because old pascal road you don't have transportation go up and down i'm talking about internally no no and i'm saying i want to see more internal stuff to keep people in there going from spot to spot i mean literally is it is it too much to ask a trail going up and down on the roadway was it too much for us for a trailer going

around that lake i mean everything i thought when in the meeting that they agreed to make that a continuous circle but is that not the case i'll have my client answer um i'm trying to remember we are talking about a very specific plan i understand that we we brought it forward so we you know it's not that that's not what we're doing so but he can respond regarding the what he intends to do around that uh pond feature there i think you have public comment too so i know but these are questions i asked before and i know i understand but no i just want to make sure she knew that there's i know there are some people online too yeah i mean it's you know let's let's face it this is a huge bump in density and we want to build premier places and i'm just thinking that if we're going to give this much density let's give a little bit better of a situation for our people that are renting not going to be buying they have no control of what happens later on let's make it as good a place as we can and i think those two things i've just mentioned i don't i don't think it's extraordinary so and so and i i think this is a really nice layout and a nice project but if you look over here where it says park equals 0.5 acres um the access to those houses is from that sidewalk lining the park so the park the green space in the middle is is the park but up here where it says park equals 1.2 acres the sidewalk well okay wait how do you access where which is the front which is exactly for one moment these these are site review elements that are done after the site is engineered okay so we're going to and all those things and we're getting very far in the weeds for this is a very generic concept plan we understand i think what the board is looking for here um i also wanted to address the uh the discussion of paths versus sidewalks uh in this particular case uh these these are more pedestrian interconnects uh with one standard interconnect which would be the five foot going to the north and then something that's a little bit upgraded which would be the eight foot uh paths are something we talk about when we talk about swimmers longer you know you're going a long stretch this is basically connecting two properties uh so it's a little bit of a different concept as far as how that's defined and i don't i don't think the the applicant has uh in any way misled anyone as to kind of

those they're going above and beyond trying to make those interconnects you have options putting them in locations where they make sense uh to have that connectivity so i just want to clarify that a little bit but we can we can certainly at the time of site plan we hear you and we hear what you're asking as far as having things internal to the site connections inside in this site given the type of product that it's intended to be to make sure that that you know to the extent that we can work with the client to get that to happen madam chair yeah when i look and i'm glad you mentioned that a little bit clara because i just when i look at our park ordinance that we have in place i don't think where it says the northern part was there's 1.2 acres and you get that linear path right between the back of townhomes do you really think it's a park what can you do there you can play football there soccer you have a sidewalk right in the middle of a roadway with how much space is between those areas i don't even think that qualifies um it's i don't think that's the intent you got a little another little area here it's loaded with trees in there i don't think it can be cleared out or not that little other little space that's right over there i just don't think it meets the intent i really actually feel even stronger now about even those two homes that acre of warts is 0.7 acres to the side of the pond that whole area should be a park uh okay brad i i can speak to that very very briefly the the uh the way the parks ordinance reads was was changed several years ago i think uh it was to allow a variety of options not just large parks that were just open space and it allowed some micro parks and linear parks those linear parks need to be 30 feet wide and they are geared towards programming for people that use things like trails jogging trails walking trails with amenities things like that to be allowed to be included in the parks calculation but all of those things are looked at at site plan it's dependent on the number but a trail is not a sidewalk is that right that's what i'm asking i mean it's an interesting internal internal to a site it's it's it's a just an amenity to the site it really when you're talking about how something connects to another area that's your that's your trail that's your path that's your connection this could be an amenity however they they choose to design it and we can look at it our parks team will review it and say whether or not it complies with the code that commissioner mariano was speaking to if they believe that it does comply or does not comply or if they

want something different there will have playgrounds and activities for the kids i would have to the applicant address that so again we'll have jeremy come on up with his project and he can talk to you about his programming of his project sure hey jeremy knuckles 13 seastone court in lint beach 32461 um so no our project does not have playgrounds in it we design our projects in the program specific to the demographics that we are typically seeing in these projects we have several of these projects around the southeast and we are not seeing a high level of um families with kids we're seeing predominantly retirees we're seeing empty nesters and we are seeing newly married couples and i forgot to do you have the breakdown again of the four-page breakdown the newlyweds or we think it's roughly about 60 retirees empty nesters and then the rest um you know 40 single-family sorry forty percent young professionals newly married and as far as the people it dawned on me because we are showing three acres of on there dedicated we have over seven acres of linear park space in that site plan and it dawned on me because the goal is to have a park within one mile for kids so if we have this density and no playground there then we're gonna have to build a playground well i can assure you that if we end up as we operate all of these if we end up with a high high number of families with young kids that's something that we typically retroactively come back and put in our projects yeah how are you going to when you have no space available everything's built out the way this is built out where they're going to retroactively spit fit you've got a school down the street you've got a tremendous population road you've got a little two-lane road now going to be expanded out it's going to be heavy traffic it's heavy traffic now you're going to have i mean look at look look at that yeah look at look at the 0.5 acres in the right hand of the screen that's a park that's an area between homes all that is to give some space which is good i think it's a nice amenity but i think it's i don't think it's a park the linear product that you have up there i think it's amenity but i don't think it's a park you've got that little one acre piece that's over there that's got a sidewalk between it i don't know what you're going to put in there and if you have seniors i don't see anything for what seems to be the most popular is pickleball quotes i don't see any of that out there and how are you going to

put that in effect they have bocce commissioners he's explained to you how much acreage he has in open space and the ability to and i'm looking at it barbara and i don't think that little spaces between townhomes or apartments and we're telling you that we see the you have a neighborhood parks ordinance this project exceeds it meets the requirements you know i bring forward a site plan to show you and then this is kind of what i get it's pretty frustrating you you probably i told you this up front approved you approved two btrs over miranda approved we exceed anything that we've ever the staff's ever been shown and then we still have to stand here and and have our site plan picked at and i can't tell you how disappointing that is this is not an unthoughtful project this is not i have clients that will ask me to i don't present it to the county i have leftover remnants of pieces of my property can you claim those can we claim those in neighborhood parks and the staff looks at it immediately and goes yeah no and i don't even present it to the county but this is not a situation where they have leftover pieces all these all of this is planned jeremy is a is a planner he's an art landscape architect he's a principal in the company they did watercolor worked for st joe i mean we're talking about somebody who doesn't just do stuff to do it and to cram things in this is thoughtfully done this is i mean i would really like to hear terry pito speak to the plan your plan or speak to and critique or explain what he thinks about this plan um maybe perhaps that would because i can't convince you it sounds like um of what a good plan this is but maybe the district commission well i do see barbara uh one acre up here in point seven so i can see where he could retrofit like a playground but at what point do you would you recommend a playground what percentage of because if we're going to have to implement a playground or something within a mile from your code does not require any playgrounds for anybody right i'll address that later all right commercial but you could retrofit so i can yeah we're in the railway telling them now to do a playground when they've told you their demographics won't support it when your code doesn't require a playground um commissioner oakley right this is this actually is a very good project it's done very well when you think of an oldie family a lot of times you think of vertical and you got all this no room no parking none of that but this actually is done very well and it fits the property fits the community

it doesn't look like a rental unit it it does look like homes for people that won't live there and i i'll leave it up to you if you need a playground equipment but sounds to me you're gonna have most your people are gonna be uh newly married folks and and seniors or people uh downsizing from a bigger home to to this kind of project so yeah but it really fits this area very well and well thank you very much and i just want to point out we are not eliminating great playgrounds because it's not a cost this is a heavily amenitized project it is directly what our business program is and that's what we feel like the residents that we are typically seeing at our assets want that's what we're trying to deliver so number one being connectivity throughout there and again there's seven acres of open space on this note sure i am okay let me ask you a question so and i talked with you why would you put around a walkway around that whole lake um the lake in the front we're not against putting a walkway around we we didn't want to affect any of the clearing in the uh the large lake to the back and and this is a concept plan i will speak to that you see that center that park to the north you're just seeing a sidewalk down through the center that is this was to get a concept plan in front of you for rezoning once we get to detail on the sidewalks we'll show you exactly where all the sidewalks go how the connectivity is that park on the on the north that linear park it would have a sidewalk running down each side it wouldn't have a park running down the center all right and what about running up eight foot path running north-south on old pasco road well currently there's the five-foot path one microscope tornado and you know is that in is that in the code for for the eight i'm asking you uh uh terry stepping up so yeah we need to have staff because yeah you're asking about an offsite improvement yes we can talk about our on-site but you need to figure out the off-site because if you don't figure out the off-site part of it what you're going to do or what we are going to do the north for mobility credits then we don't have anything to connect to so let me let's up terry kind of talk to you all and then let's we can circle back yeah and and i do have a question how um how will people safely well are we programming in sam's here um not i don't know if tina's here but are we programming a way for these residents to be able to uh cross the street to get to the trail is there well can we get make sure we get a crosswalk somewhere so madam chair

victorios putos for the planning development department if i can preface sam real quick can we go back to the aerials really quick on the in the presentation and i just want to kind of give an overall context of the area so that we can answer the question a little bit about the eight foot paths on the east side of old pasco so as you can see this site is right next to the to the i forget the official name tampa bay golf and country club and if you notice further south of the subject site it's the back of homes to the country club and so most of the population that lives in the country club is not really going to be accessing old pasco at least on a pedestrian scale to go north all the way to 52. so i think project management can speak to the trail being on the west side of old pasco road because there are the schools further to the south right so all that all of the population in that area that's going to be seeking to access the schools are going to be making their crossings at the designated points and using the trail on the on the west side of old pasco on the east side of old pasco i could see why there would be a sidewalk that would uh run along the country club and then potentially along this side as well and get you all the way north to 52. for this particular site we in our discussions with the applicant we decided that the sidewalk along 52 would be for old pasco rather would be fine since the actual trail is on the west side of old pasco and that internal to this site we could get this population which is separate from the country club to go north through their site and connect into the commercial property once enter the commercial property the commercial property could then build whatever path network is necessary along 52 to take you from this site on the east side of old pasco west to wherever the orange belt trail um [Music] ultimately would cross 52 to get to the north side and and over madam chair i-75 yeah so that was something the logic yeah but so let's think logically so you've got two openings to go north-south in the middle of the property what if that property doesn't develop what do these people can do in between all that time where are they going to go you're referring to the commercial property the property you're just talking about connecting to the north to get up to 52. if the other property never builds that thing never connects those people never go this is going to

come in right now where are these people going to go now well i think that's a that's an important question i think [Music] in some respects uh anticipating that property to develop because of its proximity to the interchange of 52 and i-75 and it being a viable commercial development site so this is kind of a situation where this is coming in first and and we anticipate the commercial side to be coming in soon thereafter i'm good to keep it in there if you need it but for right now when the people come in instead of having a five foot path why would you say an eight-foot path would be better but jack what's that going to connect to get him well eventually up to 52 and we may even put a project into 52 if we want to go up there i'm i'm okay with having that having a a multi-use path on one side of the road i don't think we need it on both sides personally but i i would like there to be um that our traffic management has to is it possible to have a crosswalk painted crosswalk to get to the other side of the street but we're way ahead of ourselves on that so um so and and i m my question about path versus sidewalk is is kind of a big picture question for staff that we need to be sure we're using not using a sidewalk as a park like feature when a path is a recreational park-like feature and we have to be sure to differentiate between the two and i'm not saying he is i'm just saying that in a big picture i mean if if we're going to say a five foot sidewalk is recreation then every single neighborhood is going to come in and use their five foot sidewalk wrapping around their streets as part of their park calculations and we don't want that so that that's all i was saying we got to differentiate between the two in my opinion so as we want to build a nice place for people to go stuff up now where it's zoning in mpud well you know the plan's in front of us if we're ever going to ask for it now's the time so a bill to rent i think is a new animal for all of us and we just need to look you know i i'd kind of like to go back at the ones we've approved and i think we made some mistakes um i think this is the best one we've seen come forward personally um would we like to see a little more open space i mean some more um we just went blank on our screens that's what um i got you know for me i would but i think you know they'll start they'll start doing their they'll start doing their plans in a little more detail and maybe they'll

figure out a way to have a little more open space because i think that would be good but in these questions i'm okay with it as it is right now i have no idea that public comment yeah is there anyone here to speak to this item uh madam chair we have one person that was online still there uh it would be elaine ayan hi can you hear me yes ma'am go ahead hi uh my name is elaine ayn i live at 29322 princeville drive san antonio and i'm a resident of tampa bay golf and country club i and dozens of my neighbors online at the time that you were uh i administered the oath are you i was you acknowledged that thank you yes um i and dozens of my neighbors opposed the stillwell rezoning application and i would have spoken at the july planning commission meeting but was out of state listening today to all the agenda items this afternoon i see that there are six separate items for reason rezoning just on today's agenda which creates over seven thousand new homes and millions of industrial retail square footage and that's just today's agenda in just this year within a couple miles of my house dozens more projects have already been approved tens of thousands more houses and millions more retail office footage the approvals seem to be done in a routine manner like all as well but i'm here to tell you something i have to think you already know and that's that it's not all well already pasco is the third busiest county in the state for ems calls at the august 9th board meeting two people spoke of the dangerously long response times from pasco fire ems one of the speakers said this matter had been brought to your attention a full year ago since then has anything been done to fix this as the laker lutz news noted last week the fire department is not even able to meet national standards for response times right now how will this not be a catastrophe when all these approved projects are built and inhabited adding tens of thousands of residents the county's firefighters have been asking the board for its help it's the public safety issue which should be a top priority you're not doing pasco county residents any favors by building them new houses and inviting thousands of new people to move in when our public safety infrastructure has not and cannot keep them safe so to summarize pasco fire ems is struggling and has repeatedly asked for the board's help instead the board is approving thousands and thousands of new housing units every single month

it is inevitable the county will see an increase in traffic accidents fires and medical emergencies how is it responsible to continue to approve such rapid new growth without properly resolving the essential fire ems public safety concern i urge you to pause rezoning approvals at least in the route 5275 area people's lives are truly at stake and this is why i and my neighbors oppose the stillwell rezoning thank you all right i think our county administrator can you respond to the fire um questions to make sure she's aware of all the money and projects that are coming in regards to fire rescue yeah from a large overview perspective we we have a number of new fire stations that are either under construction under design or in process we recognize that we're catching up on a lot of that we're also putting a lot more money into additional apparatus and equipment for fire rescue so those those items are are coming forward a large chunk actually of the new proposed budget is is coming forward with investments in fire rescue so those those investments are being made and are forthcoming you know recognize these developments take time to come online as well so yeah so thank you very much um okay that was the only one we had signed up middle chair yes oh cheaper it doesn't sound like it's there we go okay um barbara you ready come back on up i guess and i you know again for the record i did meet with um barbara and her client and obviously had questions and went through this as well um and you mentioned to me that you had conversations with the leadership at timothy bay golf and country club yes i'll have my team can they have those conversations so let them tell you about it yes we did the uh there are 10 hoas within there there's one hoa that abuts our property along both sides and we did meet multiple times with the president of the hoa he was here for the planning commission meeting and he has also had several conversations with people on his streets within the hoa that he's overseas we did reach out to the master hoa um that was first but secondarily we went to the one that we abutted okay so none of them objected and you could stay just for the records all right so one of the things you explained to me that you did again was that buffering they had concerns instead of doing two instead of doing two-story homes you decided to do one-story homes along what's going to essentially be a new retention pond which would cause correct would add extra bufferage to the neighbors which they were satisfied with on the east well we actually did that

proactively as something we felt was a good transition to the single-family homes you saw the first concept that was submitted it had one stormwater pond in the northeast corner um after we looked at a lot of the uh the topo we decided it would be best to break our ponds in two and that gave us the opportunity to provide that buffer so it's about 150 foot buffer along the eastern property boundary before you get to any of our units and those units are one story i play a lot of well i don't play as much anymore but my son plays a lot of golf at tahoe make sure golf country club for the golf team he was on at cypress creek and stuff so i spent a lot of time watching him and i'll go play the nine-hole course out there i could still handle that these days um but um you know good people there that one and that's one of the things that i you know i was questioning to make sure that you know you did work with those hoas and those residents there because they are important part of our our community and one of the things that did kind of resonate with me well the big thing is we're not trying to rezone a commercial or office property and take away once again job creating sites which we all know have an issue with that it's not a big secret out there but a lot since a lot of the residents that will be coming here are um 55 and up i do like the location because now they'll be able to use the amenities next door to the golf and country clubs and they'll have because it is you can it is a public course at the same time you can play there the public can play on that golf course um and they have a great 18 hole and then nine hole as well so it'll probably help you know just make an assumption maybe increase the revenue the golf courses during down times but they and they stay pretty busy there but it it would uh probably help that as well but it would give those um seniors that are moving here that maybe are the point where like we said you know still want to remain in a home in a true home um versus a multi-story apartment complex which i like this so much better for our area at least then they'll be able to you know the affordability maybe they don't want to buy the house next door or can't or some of the people that are probably at payment bay coffin country club may end up selling their house when since the market's so good and moving to the rental traveling with their equity the home but they'll be able to utilize it so i i mean i i'm i'm listen i'm fine with this again just for the reasons i stated you know uh interesting that and i understand your concerns so yeah me too you want to work through it i mean you know we gotta look at that as a big picture i'm looking big pitcher and i'm not i think i don't think i'm asking

for too much i mean if he's got to move because of that one pond he can't put the sidewalk all the way around it yeah if he could put the sidewalk around the pond right the one yes uh the one in the front the north i'm sorry on the sidewalk or a path yeah what would you like a path give them eight feet so people can walk side by side or a parent can walk with their kid on a track or something you can do a path around okay yeah we do not we we don't want to clear any more than we have i agreed on that back one yeah yeah um so an interesting point that um that surfaced you know that these people on old pasco have probably and this is kind of to the caller on the phone these people have probably lived here a long time and i look at the name commissioner oakley mckendree yeah um probably probably lived here for a long time and felt that when this neighborhood came into their east probably was a big change for them yep right so change is here and i'm sure that your neighborhood had an effect on this this person's very at what was then a very much more rural lifestyle but but this area is going to be um filled in um as time goes by because everyone wants to live in florida right now these price points are pretty i'm not trying to knock you but they're pretty high i mean that's not a bad thing but i mean they're pretty high price points um that's for homes yeah these are typically at a premium over your garden style you'll be at about you'd probably be able to get about an eight hundred thousand dollar house for that mortgage you would pay for for the homes just being honest commissioner oakley then i have one more point and i think we can call the vote i like the project i i like i pretty much like the design i appreciate the questions mr mariano had today i think that helps you in your final design of what you're going to do and what you can put put together to make this even better than what i think it already is will be great for our citizens and it's a good project it's it's got a different look than what most people have are used to and and it would be a good project in this area so so um so on on that point as we're getting more of these btrs built to rents let's think what we're going to be calling them um it's something i had asked um and i met with this applicant twice um was about architectural detail because we just put some restrictions in on a single family but because this falls under apartments we don't have any

of those for apartments so i've asked terry to bring us back or or by memo or something to um make sure that we're catching the quality in these as well but i can tell you that this one does that um without i mean i've got the renderings and they're putting in a lot of architectural detail and i think this will be a real asset to the community madam chair i won't be here for it but when you guys redo i know you're working on this we need to redo the comp plan i mean can we change the name when we have townhomes and single-family homes whether they're for rent or sale to get away from the apartments call them something else rental single-family homes town houses which what they are figuring out the name for these and then they're like copyrighted and retire no there you go there you go when i'm on vacation i'll come up with something my husband says deconstructed apartment i think i'm sure one more thing can you put the map up again put the layout while they were doing that just to let the lady know about public safety there's 113 new firefighters coming in this year and yeah 25 just to help with overtime so no more scare so with the layout if you don't want to do the outside path for an eight-foot path on the northern part we have the connection going through what if you just bring an eight foot path where that five foot path is right next to your townhomes i'm not sure which which path you're referring right so in the very top left of the screen there's a they've got a single path and then the roadway goes and then there's like a double path that comes down one's in the edge of the old pasco road one's on the other side what's going on if you just make that an eight-foot path we'll go one side with your town homes are your apartments are oh that's the front of their house that's the front of their homes that's their walkway to their front door i mean i'd rather have it on the outside edge but if it's even on the inside edge i don't care but something where those families going up and down they're going to have a little more room like you said to go walk yeah i mean we can we can make that work okay as far as an eight-foot path there well are you gonna keep the path along the road for the kids to walk to school but then you're gonna have a walkway for them to get into their homes as long as either one of those paths was an eight-foot path uncomfortable either way if it goes it will go all the way down great if you go around the path you're going to the lake anyway i don't know

the one on the west exists so that's the five-foot path the i'm sorry five-foot sidewalk my kid's good the the one the the one that's east of that paralleling it does not exist so that's the one you're requesting to be a an eight foot wide sidewalk okay so there's if there's only one yes okay right and we can do that okay yeah and to your concerns on the park space i think when you see detailed plans you'll see how big these park spaces are i mean they're 60 feet wide you're working the eight foot path up and down i'm going to relent on the other two units thank you okay let's call it let's get a motion second all in favor all right okay thank you thank you commissioners is that it are we done no not going anywhere i okay are we done sorry i think that's it all right we are adjourned so [Music]