07.12.2022 Pasco Board of County Commissioners Meeting (Afternoon Session)

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welcome back to the pascal county board of county commission meeting of july 12 2022 please silence all electronic devices and mute your microphones um the private a tiny current meeting i'd like to say that right the private attorney client meeting to discuss litigation strategy in the case of william hammond william hammond and pasco county professional firefighters local 4420 international association of firefighters versus pasco county case number 51-2022-ca-000 [Music] florida circuit court six judicial circle circuit has concluded madam madam chairman members of the board um outside counsel and myself have gotten adequate direction uh we need no motion in public i will remind you that the contents of the litigation assessment meeting is confidential for pursuant to florida statute and shouldn't be discussed as with any of your active litigation i advise that you not discuss the matter with anyone and if anyone wishes to talk to you about the matter direct from the outside counsel okay we're going to proceed with the public hearings and we are on to p1 p91 item p91 was published in the tampei times on may 18 2022. madam chair commissioners denise hernandez planning and development p91 is bcs 220270 this item was advertised as a continuance this is a modification to land development code section 1104 blood damage prevention the request is to continue the item to the august 24 2022 board of county commissioners meeting at 1 30 in newport richie yeah um recently i just just the other day just got the requirements the state requirements um i would like staff to be able to send that off to everyone so they can actually read them so we can actually see what requirements are from fema the state and then even look at the additional things so that we can look at it we do look at it to see what the differences are anthony can you make that happen i believe that some of my colleagues are in the audience or maybe listening so that will definitely happen okay uh move to continue time certainly all in favor aye aye aye yeah the other thing i've asked for too is a red line a red line distinction between the two okay the next one p92 item p92 was published in the tampa times on february 16th 2022. p92 is pd220029 this item is the adoption for this comprehensive plan amendment we're asking that you accept a

public comment and adopt by roll call vote this was presented to the local planning agency on march 3rd 2022 and it was transmitted by the board on april 5th 2022. sorry for the feedback not sure what's happening there it's an ordinance amending the pascal county comprehensive plan providing for a large scale comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use map map 2-15 and she-05 from res one residential one dwelling in a pedro's acre to pd plant development and approximately 178.13 acres of real property located at the south side of county line road and and the text amendment creating sub-area policy flu 7.1.65 northridge and a map amendment to the future landing smash 2-9 adding sub-area map 2-9 65 northridge and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency provided for repealer separability and an effective date if you would please accept public comment and adopt the item by roll call vote all right uh commissioner mariano thank you mr i got a couple questions um in the agenda item it talks about how the county line uh the sewer agreement we had with hernando county has now been extinguished uh i know mr carbella is going to be working with uh fernando county to try to bring something back to us maybe better and stronger than was before uh i'm just making i want to make sure that we're not bound by anything here that they can get back to us to say that this is a bad development to be because of that being done because the development just can't take place until that sewer lines are in is that correct that's correct and you will see that in the mp the mpud request that happens in p100 so there's um there's things that will keep that from happening things that will have to happen before okay uh on another note and i'm trying to get my computers out pulling it up but when as i was reading it uh it said that if they built the rear entry uh product that they'd be able to use modern discounts and i will tell you for the area it's going to need a lot of transportation improvements and i want to make sure that we take that clause out i did talk to the applicant about this um okay i i think my colleague is telling me that that might not be in the comp plan part of it is that accurate that's in the mpv i think we need to discuss that in your mpg all right um so if i'm looking at 92 it's also got listed as retail commercial office at 40 000 square feet i think that number's supposed to be 400 000 square feet that shows in the map is like 10 acres which would be more appropriate

more um so my my colleague who did the comprehensive plan amendment is shaking his head in the negative it should be 40 000 square feet no we need a discussion about that because it does show 10 acres of land which closer to the 40 000. i mean 400 000 number i don't know how that would get missed so i believe you have the applicant here as well that can address that but um again my colleague who wrote the comprehensive plan and the sub area policy is telling me that the intent is for 40 000 square feet of commercial let's go over there what's going on okay sorry i'll i'll walk away my voice majorly carries so you don't really even need me on that phone it's still doing it am i okay am so my understanding and of course this is within the mpud that there's a possibility of having a loom as well to get more commercial square footage um by reducing um residential square footage but again my colleague who processed the um the comprehensive plan amendment is telling me that 40 000 square feet is the max all right so when i had my meetings this was all designed to go to 10 acres which is more than four hundred thousand square feet so i have an objection to that um and i'm not looking for all residential i wanna see commercial up there and i'm told it's supposed to happen in the amputee anyway so i'd like to get that adjusted or have the conversation about it okay does anyone else have any questions we'll have the applicant come up and talk about the project okay let's hear from the applicant barbara will height 6327 grand boulevard newport richie 34652 good afternoon commissioners so the number is that we included in our traffic analysis was forty thousand square feet and that was based upon five parcels at eight thousand square feet apiece which is common um square footage for the acreage that they have there if if the county wants us to add more um as long as staff didn't object we certainly could change the number do you have the do you have any site layout or anything so i don't have staff has not given their presentation i just came up to answer the question i mean well i guess did but it was a it wasn't a powerpoint presentation all right so if i could let me have to ask the kind of question so barbara how do we see it on the map which shows 10 acres which equates closer to 40 thousand square feet but at the same time we see this here at 40 000. that was something i told you what are we missing here as far as why

is why doesn't that show that number show to be 400 000 it's supposed to apply well it's it's 40 and that's the that's the number that the team for those acreage based upon their experience and laying out commercial uses for those acres that's the square footage they thought was appropriate for that location so the 10 acres of land is supposed to get 40 000 square feet of commercial yeah five parcels at 8 000 square feet apiece is where they come up with came up with 40. now i could bring up is that like five drive-through something well it's not they don't have it's it's approved as commercial we don't have it breaking down into us users yet but it is that's how the numbers arrived at and i can have our engineer who you know worked with the client to come up with the appropriate numbers for that because you don't want to over entertain the master plan the map yeah i mean we're not really talking about p100 but he wanted to see where they're coming but the comp plan does set those numbers so i wouldn't want you to go past the and say let's just deal with it the mqd when the comp has a pd so it says numbers as well it doesn't set the acreage for the commercial it sets the number but it says 40 as an alert i'm thoroughly confused um denise let me ask you another question so if i'm going to set this up for acres of commercial they can fill it as intense as they want i'm not worried about that why would i have such a low number there um i i believe barbara stated that her that's the analysis that her transportation team put together for forty forty thousand square feet of commercial on ten acres of land on unfortunately so let me say this so the ten acres of land that's set up there it can't be anything else except for retail or commercial they came for residential that's correct all right we'll deal with them to do next but understand you're capping it in the comp plan because this is a this is a pd comp plan okay so their entitlements will be 40 000 square feet of commercial unless they unless they switch it unless they unless they take residential and convert it to commercial maybe denise or robert you can answer this just going back to uh mr maryland's statement about about the forty thousand it but mr steinstein said it would be capped at forty thousand is that correct sir yes okay you can actually i would assume on ten acres you could probably fit more if you wanted to right this this on the ten acres it's just you might go vertical or something like

that you can always raise the maximum to satisfy probably commissioner's concerns does it mean you have to fill it yes if the county was comfortable they wanted to change the number in these documents that could occur and we probably need to make sure we add to the sub area policy the loom language so if you if you do adopt this suburb policies comp plan let's reference the loom and if you do want to use a different number um in case the market changes or something like that and there's a there's a larger need for and you realize okay well we need there's a there's the there's a need for more you know whether it be 60 or 70 or 80 000. you could move it up right come in madam chairman yes commissioner moore the the problem with that is all of their analysis was done on 45 for this comprehensive plan amendment that we sent to deo was based on forty thousand so gotcha unless they use a loom to convert all these numbers need to be recalculated for whatever that it would have to go back i would have to go back to do again yeah in theory yes okay i got you okay just i'm gonna slow it down look at cut it's hard to help look for solutions no appreciate it um is that your that's i'm gonna i don't know if there's any public comments so i'm just gonna okay we'll see if there's any problems thanks i'm looking i'm here looking at the map uh are there any other public people who wish to speak on this p92 madam chair i do not have anyone signed up and no one's on webex for this item right it's to the board seeing no one will approve it second all in favor all right real quick i'm sorry it's a roll call vote district one commissioner oakley aye district two commissioner moore aye district four commissioner fitzpatrick aye district five commissioner mariano aye district three chairman starkey aye all right um p 93 and that's a re-zoning i think no one more an ordinance okay p 93 was published in tampa times on march 23 2022 p93 is pdd220288 and this is the adoption hearing for this item today we're asking that you accept public comment and adopt by roll call vote this item was presented to the horizontal round table interested parties meeting and vertical round table on march 16th 2022 went to the local planning agency on 47 of 2022 who found it consistent with a comprehensive plan and recommended approval to the board and it went to first hearing on may 3rd 2022 this is an ordinance by the pasco

county board of county commissioners amending the pasco county land development code section 902 stormwater subsection 902.2 point k to eliminate the requirements to submit as mild surveys except in flood hazard areas and other amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for applicability repealer providing for severability inclusion into the land development code and an effective date all right board members any questions on this one that's a good thing all right is there anyone in the public wish to speak to this item i have no one signed up for this item and no one on webex found favor oh i'm sorry roll call uh [Laughter] district one commissioner oakley aye district two commissioner moore aye district four commissioner fitzpatrick district five commissioner mariano district three chairman sturkey okay i passes and now we are on to p 94 yes item p94 was published in the tampa times on april 20th 2022 p94 is pde 227574 this item was published as a continuance it's for hill collier mpv master plan unit development julia herndon walter and elizabeth frenzel the franzel family revocable trust the request is to continue the item to a date uncertain okay i'll take a motion to continue motion to continue to a day uncertain second our favor aye aye okay so i've lost my i've lost my script so i don't know what's on consent and what isn't so you'll have to help me too 95 is also a continuance okay p95 item p95 was published in tempe times on june 1st 2022. p95 is pdb22cu19 again this one was advertised as a continuance of conditional use under the name of angelo gente the third eb bts llc t-mobile south llc the request is continue the item today august 9th 2022 florida county commissioners meeting at 1 30 in dayton city all right motion to continue do i have to call for public comment no no okay um favor all right opposed all right that one is continued um p ninety six would you like to me to read the reasons i would like you to read these there are two resounding agendas regular and consent staff will present each application to the board of county commissioners if staff or planning commission has recommended approval and there's no opposition the application will be considered by the board without further presentation if the staff or planning commission has recommended denial or if there is opposition to the application the applicant will be given five minutes for presentation the opposition will be given three minutes for each individual or five minutes for a group

representative and the applicant will be given three minutes for rebuttal any individual disagreeing with staff for planning commission recommendation or anyone wishing to object to any condition of the rezoning may at this time request the petition be pulled from the consent agenda in which case that application will be heard under the regular agenda later on during the meeting otherwise all rezoning applications on the consent agenda will be approved by a single motion and vote if you wish to speak to any petition please give your name and address and whether or not you've been sworn for the record these are quasi-judicial public hearings law in florida has been your public support or opposition of an application is insufficient for this board to take action please limit your comments to those criteria found within the board's land development code madam clerk would you like to square the public in i'm good thank you if you're here to speak on the reigning items could you please stand and raise your right hands okay do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth so help you god thank you all right we're at item p96 was published in the tampa bay times on may 18 2022 p96 is pdd227621 this is in the name of rezoning in the name of sandy lakes development corp sandy lakes purcell is for a change in zoning from an mpud master plan unit development district trinity communities to an mf1 multiple family medium density district it comes to you also with a voluntarily agreed upon deed restriction that limits the number of units to 164 and basically it prohibits apartment units comes you with a recommendation of approval from the planning and development department and the planning commission okay um do you have any maps or anything no one no one came to me yeah usually when we do a consent item we don't typically show maps but here is the aerial of the property and this is the surrounding zoning of the property i'm sorry the future landis usually do zoning first future land use of the property and the surrounding zoning any specific questions you may have so to the north of the property we have interlaken road and spivey utility construction there's also the district school board of pasco county bus depot to the east there's folsom of florida inc and these are typically industrial users holloway pools and increte systems to the southern agricultural pursuits and to the west we have odessa elementary school and agricultural pursuits

on the property this is this is an old mpud that is expired so they're going to mf1 with a voluntarily agreed upon deed restriction limiting the uses to to either attach detached units but they're not wanting to have um there's not going to be apartment units apartments there so townhomes townhomes villas all that stuff that you're seeing nowadays in the mf1 district okay really what they want is 164 townhomes but they want to have the ability to do another type of product if they wanted to as well but it's not going to be apartments okay just giving me a little heartburn because this is in my district i didn't know about it and we're working so hard above interlocking on a county initiated project and no one ever mentioned this going through while we're working on that one yeah so there's a finding of fact in number 16 um that i can read out to you that basically states that um at the may 3rd 2022 bcc meeting the the tbr pc presented industrial land use strategy for pasco county also they did this analysis of this area the study appears to indicate that a portion of the subject site falls within that area of interest for further analysis for potential future industrial employment generating uses however the portion of the site which appears to fall in the study it consists of a storm water pond and category two wetlands so it was that may be the reason you may not have heard because it's a very small area within this parcel that fell within that study and that area regardless is a stormwater pond and category two wetlands so it's not something that would be conducive to industrial development yeah so um all right i mean our vision for those parcels there along interlochen is industrial light industrial and um i just you know we're telling those folks no on multi-family but we're gonna this one's gonna be okay but i mean if it's well i mean in actuality it's a single family attached it's just that that's the only way to get that product is to go mf1 or mf2 or mf3 or an mpud but the number of units doesn't trigger a master plan on here all right and i see barbara's conference right behind me as well terry's coming in variable high 6327 grand boulevard for the applicant anatomy homes the difference commissioner is that this property is planned for this type of density it's been res-9 we're not changing the land use we're just following the land use and the intention of mattamy homes is to do free simple

townhomes so it is your land use plan that that put the mix of uses here some of the other projects we've worked on and are working on both on the gun highway corridor and the 54 corridor need a land use change but this one's following the land use in the zoning district i just don't want anyone here objecting when we put industrial across the street they've had us do a disclosure regarding that all right okay um i can't make a motion so this is this is on your consent agenda so you need to call for it is is there anybody in opposition to this application is there anyone in opposition to this item i have no one signed up for this item and no one on whether right seeing no one will leave it on consent next one next one is p97 sorry item p97 was published in the tempe times on june 26 2022 so p97 is pdd 22cu42 it's 14 sorry conditional use for duke energy florida for a 315 foot above ground level self-supported lattice wireless communications facility in an ac agricultural district this item comes to you with a recommendation of approval with conditions as included in your agenda packet from the pasadena health planning and policy committee who heard the item on may 18th of 2022 and from the planning and development department okay so i have questions on this one and i reached out to duke but now i realize uh didn't know it was coming so fast they have we have not had a chance to comment it's not a guide it's is it guide it's not guide it's self-supported so it doesn't have the the guy wires and self-supported so the trend in the industry was to put the pwsfs lower and this is isn't this higher than our typical cell tower yeah so so i we do definitely have duke here and we have folks on that are radio frequency consultants who can talk to you or radio frequency engineers who can talk to you about the trend in the industry um i can tell you about the trend in the industry based on my 30-year experience in the industry is that the trend in the industry is moving away from flagpole towers into either monopoles sometimes they'll do close mount mountain poles which means that the actual antenna is close to the actual pole or you'll see this type of use additionally in our pre-2012 restated land development code this type of facility would have been something we called an excluded facility because it was for a utility provider um but once 2000 the priest the restated land development code came into effect january 12th first 2012 um all the excluded facilities that concept went away so they're coming in for a conditional use so what i'm trying

to say is that prior to 2012 you probably wouldn't have seen this provider um this type of application it would have been a permitted use and just had to have gone through the preliminary site plan and the building permit process this this one's a little different in that the provider is actually um co-loc there's co-locations i believe at t is like your your your anchor tenant so you're going to have different wireless communication providers co-locating on this tower based on what the land development code requires based on this height it would be a total of it would be four on the tower okay so um is duke using this for some internal purpose yeah they can't absolutely do height tower that we lack yeah this is actually a like a regional facility for for duke this this location is as you can see um and in your in your agenda packet it explains that this is actually a facility that is um is used by duke um for for different purposes it's um one thing i do want to say because i did visit the site it's it's gated so it doesn't have public access other than for their employees and the folks who use the lay down yard that's on the facility and all that um it's the uh it's considered the duke energy zephyr hills complex it's gated it's got a metal building a lay down yard it's got a pole barn structure and it's got a covered work work areas there so yes duke will be using it for their their facility needs and so is this this height was normal this was an allowable height within our system in this ute in this so so when you say allowable height within the system the reason why we're here it's a conditional use so basically um and you're finding of facts um in the analysis i'll tell you where it is we actually have a radio frequency consultant who we contact and say hey based on what you're seeing out there what do you think the need is for this tower and basically mr monzingo with omnicom consulting groups said that that that there's no other towers out there that meet duke's needs to co-locate um and actually um expand its network so it was found to for there to be a need for this particular tower all right and there's the reason i'm asking these questions and denise might remember but then commissioner mariano might remember when i started scenic pascal one of the one of the protections we put in place was um the visual assault from cell towers yeah so yeah that's just my concern so i always try and look at them but i know they're needed i love my phone

yeah and certainly duke's got to be able to communicate if we have a hurricane yeah um we don't want them to not be able to communicate to each other yeah i just questioning the height since we're talking about it i know it's a consent item um i think we're going to continue to see more and more of these i mean that's what i want to learn with yeah i have pending applications in so many places right with the amount of people moving in pasco county and so many people having devices and multiple devices these days i'm not going to name my carrier but they could use a little help yep they're much lower that's a little sarcasm but but my my service for example um of one of the largest if not the largest carry in the nation has gone down because of the amount of people that have moved to the area they can't handle it yeah they're going to have to go more and as you know we're not going to get away from these we're going to see more of them that's just yeah you're right we have to have them unfortunately but commissioner moore unless something has changed in the science of this they're closer together and lower that's why you see the 5g at street height and then every once in a while they have a tower i think actually i think you're going to see higher ones now well that's that's that's what i'm learning here is something something's changed yeah you're not going to see as high as this because this is duke and remember excluded facility and that type of thing yeah um and remember i don't know if you recall um 2017 um we approved one for the county's p25 system and that was as tall as this one yeah i know there's some exceptions but generally my experience and all the research i did and yeah over the years is that the pwsfs were coming down you can look around you can see cell towers where it's empty from half the way the older ones they're empty on the top and they the arrays came down but anyway yeah and it's really interesting you're seeing the opposite because these companies the anchor tenant is actually um vying for that top spot that's where the anchor tenant wants to be all the way at the top all right so i will not vote for a guide tower i'll vote for a lattice tower but i'm all vote for a guide tower so just letting y'all know that anyone who's applying okay um all right this is on consent does anyone else want to speak to this item uh mrs hernandez do you have a corruption to read i do i have a correction for the resolution um in in error because this went to the pasadena hills planning and policy committee it erroneously stated planning commission so i changed that section in

this project so that you learned how this when this project initiated it was a sad experience to begin with during their pandemic and at that time the government was shutting everything down saying do not meet do not congregate and so it was a lack there as far as i consider it most people wanted to stay home and it was an invitation to do a zoom meeting which didn't work then you could call in the phones it didn't work properly it was a an abomination but you got to prove there were 31 boats out of the 30 31 votes 58 of that 31 voted yes and so it was approved are you saying your road is not paid uh if do you want me to read this dude what it says is the road would be paved i even have the contract okay what road is the road that we're speaking up it's a golden meadow and hamilton lane so ainsley has golden meadow been paved maybe i'm misunderstood so commissioner golden meadows there are a number of roads there the road is speaking to in particular is hamilton lane what needs to be done is the maintenance of the existing soil structure in terms of repaving the reconstruction of the base and subways that is all completed it's just the maintenance of the existing um drainage structure do you have do you have a proposal in fact for maintenance we met on the site with mr pilgrim last week and um or roadway engineers here he put in a work request and that will be done as soon as it's scheduled um well are you done asking your legal questions okay what was the result of the vote the votes ainsley usually you have that up there well this is just going on the tax rules yeah i i wonder if you have that with you yeah you don't know yeah i know i know it's already been approved i was just curious what the votes were because he mentioned it so um so your rose been paint but your drainage system needs some attention just a little bit if you don't mind so give me just a minute at the beginning of this project when it was approved i was in touch with the county and i expressed my concerns all of my concerns about what how things are supposed to proceed i made it clear you're supposed to do the drainage first make sure everything's draining properly

then you do the road it wasn't done that way instead first of all they mobilized and made a mess of things this was a aps contractor that mobilized made a mess they were there for about three weeks marred up their heavy equipment up in yards then they pulled out because it was rain soaked and so they left then they had to re-mobilize when all this time over a period of about a year it could have been an easy situation to have the county come in and do this whales and correct culverts but they did that's where the problem comes in so now they do the paving the paving it's a decent job they did a good job on that i did look at the density test and density tasks show that there's three locations that are deficient but it was passed the problem is those three locations is where water stands when water goes up under there's three ways for water to go evaporation runoff and infiltration a perk percolation when it percolates it goes in every direction the easiest way to go in this particular case it's going to wash out under the roads so a road that we're paying that amount of money up for is going to wash out in five years or less and now we have the same problem again let me ask ainsley um why didn't why didn't we do the the swales before we did the painting they typically we do the squeals as it can be scheduled in this case it was scheduled afterwards um what to bear in mind is that there is a total reconstruction the road base here is full depth reclamation where we mix the um cement in it's a full depth reclamation and then a repave so it's just a maintenance of re-grading the soils and that we have a work order in all right okay so it is going to be taken care of and your road is not going to wash away because it's concrete so generally appreciate your disagreement though this contract says specifically that public works operation will perform maintenance on existing drainage infrastructure and it also says the assessment is billed only after the project is complete that's what it said so so i don't think you'll still see this bill until next when does this get on the bill no november november so it'll be fixed before november right ainsley okay we'll take care of that little league okay all right thank you okay now where were we so madame sure i have no one else anyone else i have no one else signed up and no one's on webex for the site okay i

thought i saw some other people come in for there's other people there this is yours okay um take a motion oh it's not you someone want a motion to approve i was not yet i'll take a second okay all in favor all right all right opposed okay next is p90x item p99 was published in the tampa times on june 8th 2022. good afternoon commission uh commissioner excuse me my name is chris hanning senior engineer with department of public works i'm here to present pw220107 this is for the uh pvaas number 3486 paving of prigm road uh it's one street that is currently um unpaid the total estimated project cost came out to about 358 500 that brings the maximum cost per eru to 33 787.55 the discount amount was eighty nine thousand eight hundred six hundred twenty two dollars and three cents which brings down the maximum cost after the discount per eru to twenty five thousand three hundred forty dollars and eighty two cents we had 16 votes possible votes 13 uh responded to the petition of those 13 nine voted in favor which is 69 four voted against which is 31 there will be annual installments payments for 10 years at a interest rate of 3.25 percent it's located in east pasco county between reed and lake iola road is north south here's a picture of the current condition right no picture that's a paved road unpaved oh i'm painful i'm sorry i hope i didn't wow that's really good i hope i didn't speak that's unpaced uh stat staff recommends approval yeah okay all right um board remembers any questions okay is there anyone here in the audience wishes to speak against the pivas i have don uh yeah this is not dan i know i'm just asking you don't have to come up if you're foreign that's not i can't reach your last name but if you would please come up dan thank you okay didn't you see what i was trying to do i was trying to move us along good afternoon um i'm actually asking three things one um i'm sorry you have to say your name first then your address and then dan haberly thank you p.o box 704 san antonio florida 33576 thank you go ahead okay um lot 13 on lakeside lane has been assessed

and i'd like to get it unbuildable due to pasco county offsets for a well in a septic tank and existing septic tanks and and the water on so there's 75 foot offsets from septic tanks and high watermark so there's no way to get a well out there in which case there'd be no water so that's why so is um is this lot adjacent to do you live on this lot no no i live on on wells road which is kind of behind lake jamita clearly so ainsley would you show us the lot and see why you're assessing it please it's the extreme right green lot the green the one that's called the green the little thin one yes it's 50 foot wide and this came about the workshop and i mentioned that we would check to see if we could verify what you said um we also got a a letter from an attorney in terms of um having this assessment removed and i responded by saying if they provide documentation i cannot present to the board wrote documentation to justify why we're removing from the assessment so if this documentation comes in yes and we'll send it to you um i've got just a schematic where somebody existing septic tanks are and stuff so but i have a question ainsley um so it's it's kind of a weird lot um that the person that if the person i guess if the person next door buys that lot it's still only one eru yes because they can never build if they ever build anything on it then they would have to come back you cannot also have a mobile home on it you cannot you can no it's a steve we have not been able to find any justification i'm not questioning what you're saying but i need that justification so that i come back to the board and i say to the board here's the reason why we're recommended to be removed based on the information we have it has to be included in the assessment okay but there's an opportunity to get excluded once that was right the information comes in yes yes does that have to come back in front of us well we bring it as an adjustment at a later date okay yeah they're comfortable with that i was instructed that to come here um the other thing that i'd like to request is um we use a cheaper asphalt like we did regrowed so it's a less expensive asphalt that they used on reedgrove or you guys improved on regrowth well they they pick the right type of treatment for the right condition i don't know what's going on here that what kind of road it was

[Music] um we use uh double chip seal that is not in the current paving contract we no longer double chip seal the road so we just uh asphalt we put down any any questions about that no we can't put it okay i think i think we're kind of stuck with what we've got because that's what we need and then my last one is is to um you guys vote out this ordinance that says that if somebody has to pay the road that everybody has to pay for it especially when penny for pasco isn't interested in it but that's neither here nor there wait wait say say your statement again pasco he's asking you to use penny for pasco money oh yeah well it's an ordinance that you have that says that if somebody requests it and by vote you know the majority rules you know everybody has to pay for it within 1500 feet of the road but you can't use infrastruc the sales tax for these types of roads and that's all i'm saying and right and i i agree in each case you see how nice that dirt road is we are working on a way to change the way we do this which we should see uh in a few months and eventually we won't do it this way no one likes the way we do it um but in the meantime be be be lucky be happy you're in the pipeline that's all i can say so that it will get done in your lifetime okay thank you i'll take a moment yeah um angeline so we look at his lot the end green one what about the light right beside it it looks like it's the same dimensions sorry the light right to the side of the good box it looks like it's got the same dimensions yes but it has a dwelling on it how's it going yes very good all set thank you nice i'll take a motion a little approach all in favor i just want to make sure on the record there's no one on the website the one next to it back to the um west is that the one you're talking about that has a well on it and a septic tank yes p100 was published in the template times on may 18 2022. all right we're back to uh i feel like i've already talked about this one today [Laughter] okay so p uh denise hernandez planning and development so p100 is pdd227593 it's for northridge mpud i do want to start with some housekeeping items um it was brought to my attention there were some exported communications that happened over a year ago some of them i will provide those to the clerk's office

they were not part of the agenda packet so the exporters were with commissioner mariano in june of 2021 commissioner oakley in june of 2021 commissioner starkey in june of 2021 and commissioner fitzpatrick in august of 2021 you do have one in your agenda packet that's for commissioner mariano on june 14th of 2022. just wanted to state that before i got into the presentation so the subject location is located in northwest pasco county on the south side of county line road uh county line road north approximately two miles west of the suncoast parkway the current zoning districts are mpud ac and er this is the mpud is part of an expired mpud that was called woodfield and that one was approved for 78 single-family dwelling units to the north of it you've got county line road north hernando county to the north you've got a subdivision by the name of west preston woods right across the parcel entry and then to the east you've got um a rv resort that's called traffic tropics rv resort it's one of those encore rv resorts if the area looks familiar um you know that area to the east of that is your canon mine of the actual parcel so that's that's that area for familiarity it's approximately 178.15 acres you actually approved a comp plan modification a complaint amendment large scale to pd with sub area policy for northridge just a few minutes ago the applicant is requesting to rezone the property to mpud to allow up to 40 000 square feet of commercial and 770 single family detached units on that acreage as i stated the applicant is also proposing to include a um the possibility of a land use equivalency matrix to allow the potential future exchange of 70 single-family detached dwellings into 20 000 square feet of commercial use within your request there's also some deviations or some variations that are being requested from the land development code those include variation from 805.6 for restrictions to post-development wetlands and upland buffers within residential lots this will allow the applicant uh the actual developer i'm sorry to enter into a reciprocal easement and maintenance degree agreement this is specifically uh particularly for the non-residential portion which is not going to be under an hoa or a cdd also the applicant is asking for a variation from ldc 905.2 c1g for the use of non-invasive plant materials to allow the use of non-employee non-invasive existing vegetation and that would be part of the buffer needs in 905.2 additionally the applicant is asking for

a variation from 9016 d11 street design and dedication requirements to allow an emergency exit on normandu street normandu street has residential dwelling units on it so the variation will be less disruptive to the folks who live on on normandu street can you say that again they aren't they are there are yes i'll show you guys where normandu street is so there's actual driveways that exist on normandu so that would just be um emergency access only that it's not going to be a principal process through normandu so that's a variation that they're requesting the county's asking that or the applicant is asking that and staff has uh done an analysis and found that it is that it's fine so this is the master plan as we saw earlier the proposal is for commercial along the frontage of county line road the parishioner is currently unimproved it's in the north market area i think i've talked about the variations already the the actual access to the property is from county line road north and um it's a county maintained arturo road with 160 feet of right-of-way and the applicant is coordinating with pasco and hernando county for necessary road improvements i did discuss the loom the land use equivalency matrix potential to exchange 70 single family detached units for 20 000 square feet of commercial this was presented to the planning commission in dade city there was some opposition based on the opposition the applicant agreed to relocate roadway access to the northwest side of the subject area interconnecting with carlesimo avenue it was heard on the regular agenda of the planning commission and the planning commission voted to recommend the item unanimously with conditions as included in your agenda packet i think i've discussed most of the items there are some findings of fact as commissioner marietta stated when we were doing the cop plan regarding the availability of water and sewer to the area that you know that there's conditions that state that this will not happen until that occurs so i'm here for any questions that you may have on the matter and the applicant and the applicant's team are here as well so yeah i have some questions sure um in this day and age when we're trying to have as much connectivity as possible i'm really surprised that you're okay to have everybody come in off of county line road why would we not have them have that act then so it's it is it is an access but it's emergency access only i may have some folks i

don't know who is exactly on the on webex but i may have some folks available that can speak to that matter um the actual analysis was found that it would be more disruptive and it would be easier traffic circulation to not go through that actual uh normandu road okay i see one driveway yeah there are actually several let's see i'm looking here first house on the right there's a driveway there's a there's a couple rvs there people living there in the rvs and then there's something oh yeah you know you see a lot of a lot of different things in leisure hills in that subdivision is that allowed it's not you could certainly cannot live in an rv um there is a pr a provision in the land development code that allows guest rv parking for a total of 10 days um once every six months okay and then you don't get too many requests for that so so then the lot just south of it on the corner of normandu and oxenham their driveway is on oxenham and that is the only driveway between oxenham and the property and i think good planning is that you have multiple ways to enter into property so i'm confused perhaps you can allow the applicant who also did um the transportation study to to speak on that matter and again i've got some folks on webex that can address that item as well barbara bill height 6327 grand boulevard for the applicant which is northridge which is also reaper development a couple of things one was the amount of square footage now that we're at the mpd stage i can tell you that we did include a loom and that loom as as denise said is estimated to produce 20 000 square feet of additional of additional commercials so the number is really 60. and we're look we've been looking at our numbers and our looks like our plans will actually produce about 682 units so we will be having a difference of 88 units that we can use for more commercial the condition that you were referencing commissioner mariano is condition 37b i think so that one would need to be modified 37b has the language um if the 40-foot lots are rear-loaded excuse me so in addition to this is the language it would be stricken in addition any rear-loaded lots with allies shall qualify for traditional neighborhood design rate an accounting mobility fee schedule without needing

to do to meet the tnd code requirements so that's the language you want stricken commissioner what is it that you aren't stricken well they want to get the tnd credits without doing all the tnd requirements just to have them reload i mean i like to see them reloaded too but i don't want to i mean we need impact free transportation halls to help this whole area so i don't want to give full credits whether they're not due so they're going to get credits for the part that they do do yeah whatever they whatever they're qualified for without exception yeah but just give them just because they're doing one part of it then they'll give the full credit okay so that would be the language i just read in 37b with regard to utilities the what's required by the conditions of approval is a utility services agreement with pasco county so and whether pasco county gets sewer from hernando at the moment that doesn't look likely but or if pasco county itself serves the property the requirements for utility services agreement so that's what the requirement is and i suppose if none of those happens but if we serve the property you're going to have to bring service to your property yes i will put that on the record that is correct okay and we already we're already proposing to do water because there's water available and the water line extension is about 1.6 million dollars to the site so yes we understand that and happy to put that on the record we have no intention of saying you've approved our comp plan and our rezoning and now the county has to pay to serve our project i'm happy to put down the record that is not our intention that's why we wrote a finding a fact with staff so that that we couldn't come back and say that so i think that leaves the final question regarding the emergency access commissioner just access in general because i i think i'm pretty consistent here the more connection points the better for any development and so why you wouldn't take advantage of every single opportunity around there to connect and we do have lots of connections we have two to the west and two to the east okay work so i can't tell on this map up here um where are they to the west there's one here that dot one here yeah you just can't see it the scale there's one here well yeah i'm sure you're connected here and what does that connect to does that connect future future that's vacant this is vacant here this is all vacant around here so the issue was about this access right

here that's the property that's vacant to your left yeah there's vacant property here so what about the stubbed out roads to the south so that's i just want to go through where our connections are on our mpd plan so your question is about this one here we have proposed it as emergency access because of the residences there are existing residences there there's one driveway however so i i asked my team from a standpoint of a site plan does it matter if it's functional access versus emergency and they said no the only thing we'd want the board to do is we wouldn't want to make that change and then alter our substandard road review so if the board would agree and they can do it if they direct staff to put it in the in the memo that we don't have to go through substantive road review because we make that a functional access we can accommodate that connection in our site plan and modify this mpd to make that functional access oh so you don't want to connect because the road is not in great shape no it really was really it was put it was for the neighborhood because a lot of times there is that concern when you put a new project in and then you make access to an existing but if that's something the board wants to do from a sniper site plan perspective we can accommodate it it's just our substantive road review which we've already been through showed that as emergency access we just have to include a variation approved at the board level here to that requirement that we could accommodate if the board wanted us to so we're trying to accommodate whatever we can one more one more question so on where you have your diamond or i don't know i guess that's a diamond i can't really tell on the upper left side does that coincide with carly's carlissimo avenue so carlesio is to the west right and so our obligation is to step out to our property we are not adjacent to khalifa zimmer drive well i know but we're but our stub out is approximate to where that existing road is to the west yeah so my i guess my question is are we setting up some kind of grid system for the area and it is are you hooking into carly is that where carly simon could attach hi uh dallas evans civil engineer landis evans and partners at 3810 northdale boulevard in tampa um that is correct that does align with carly simone okay well that's good i'm happy with that thanks okay so commissioner we do have some folks on staff that want to address transportation things if they're allowed to speak okay well she calling me so let

me go real quick thanks thank you madam chair i and i appreciate you know your statement about the connect connectability and everything but i don't think today i mean they brought the site plan staff approved it um if you go make a change you're going to have to in my opinion you're going to have to redo this whole public hearing because the residents weren't expecting connectability within their neighborhood so they weren't ready i mean you would have to go back out let their neighbors know and probably have an additional public carrier continue it because as barbara stayed him that's one of the biggest objections usually amongst neighbors are people you know connecting to their in their neighborhoods so i'd rather keep it as is and then just but there's unintended and i'm going to vote for this but there's unintended consequences when you make everybody go out in and out the same way yeah and we hear it on in my area because we don't have as many roads as you state road 54 every subdivision if that's their only in and out it means it's a disaster and um so i know in management other ways to get around i appreciate you saying that you know this is how it was presented and this is how it's been presented to the neighbors and now all of a sudden we make the changes that we're going to send you know however many cars through a neighborhood i don't think they'd appreciate that very much not having the opportunity to speak on the matter so i would say leave it as is today and i'm okay i'm gonna i've made my point i'm okay with it you don't have to have traffic people speak more if you don't want but i just think we should always be looking for connectivity does anyone else have any okay i think we have someone here to speak on this yes we have um commission marianna's training please come to the podium and then just state your name and address for the record uh kenneth rakowski 17835 oxenham avenue spring hill and you were sworn in you said that yes okay i attended the commissioner planning meeting and i was really surprised on how smoothly it went through there's a lot of things that are not quite right with this plan one of them is like you were talking with carlosimo that's another 100 acre parcels to the left to the east to the west when the applicant went ahead and stated that they were getting water from or their wastewater from hernando county that wasn't factual because in may 25th the board of commissioners up in

hernando had turned it down she also said at the time that funding for the county line road widening was approved which it wasn't so now we're stuck with a situation if this is approved how are we going to get out of our basically our only road which is alexan and alexander intersects with carlissima and it's also the road where the four teenagers were killed because of the the the hill that's there so as you come down alex in heading north you come to carlissimo and you can't see the intersection also now we have four now we have three fatality markers at each of the roads one at alex and one at farnsworth and one at drayton from accidents there the road is a east-west road in certain times of the year because of the elevation change you cannot see what's on the other side of that hill and it's going to be right where their road exit's going to be for their sub the subdivision so i really don't understand how this could even be not also with the uh the fact that it's zoned for one per acre which we all are and i'm sure commissioner moreno knows that he drives that area he knows that on our side it's just nothing but large parcels so this doesn't fit and it's not going to be good for our neighborhoods thank you is there anyone else that um wishes to speak to this online i have no one else signed up and no one owned it right barbara barbara will have for the applicant i in no way stated that we were definitely getting waste water from hernando we were we've been aware since shortly after the hernando county commission did that of that situation with regard to county line road the day of planning commission was the day after planning commission that the governor vetoed the 50 50 million allotment for county line road i had mentioned it was approved by the legislature and i had mentioned that it was under consideration by the governor was actually vetoed after um after right after our planning commission and interestingly enough i do have our transportation engineer here i would state that we are going to have to put a light and make improvements at county line road at our entrance that light will start breaking up some traffic along there so they will create breaks in traffic i think mr razer can talk about it much better than i can if you'd like for me to bring him up but we certainly understand traffic and

and we will be making improvements to county line road and we'll have to put a traffic signal in and there's a condition of approval regarding that hey barbara so currently you're at 772 units it looks like you're going to get out of the under 700 down to 682. the way it lays out that's that is the number that's on their plans that they prepare okay you infuse a matrix and you get something to that number that brings us up to 62 000 yeah okay so i would like to see more commercial maybe staff might have to answer the question but um if you've got if you were able to do more commercials for the same trade-off would that interest them so we have 682 to 62 000 and then we also have a loom language that says if we have a lower traffic generator like for example office generates less than the commercial we can even get more square footage because we get to make an exchange based upon trips basically we have a set amount of trips right that's what's been studied and that's what's been allowed we can do exchanges based upon those trips for additional uses and square footage so that's kind of how that works all right so the trip so is that based upon the size of kindling road now or what's going to be projected in the future the study was let's see let mike try to help us here uh good afternoon michael razer with razor transportation consulting 19046 bruce be downs boulevard tampa and i have been sworn um the the pot of trips that barbara's referring to is purely a result of the inputs of the entitlements the initial 40 000 square feet of commercial and the 770 residential units so reducing the residential units increases the commercial so on a comparison basis if we were to go to an office product or something like that which has a lower trip generation rate the same reduction in single-family units would result in a greater number of square feet allocated to office so that's essentially what barbara was indicating but i think that your question was regardless of trips with that 40 000 number could that be a larger number so so if we if you wanted if they developed or wanted to and they wanted to put more commercial out there would they have the matrix available to them to put more commercial by reducing more residential that matrix is there yes so that basic foundation could get more intense than just a basic foundation that's correct that matrix is saying but clearly stating that they would have to reduce residential to get

to get more correct yes commercial or office both well so to us commercial is something for pecuniary gains so it could be office commercial yeah okay it was an office that you get even more um can you say any way we can even entice them more to put more commercial out there and increase the matrix up so um i think that we we may have touched that touched upon this when we first talked about the comp plan because there there was a transportation needs analysis there's a transportation assessment done so we would probably have to go back and redo some of that stuff okay would it be best if we just left it open barbara to have you be able to come back if you did want to go get more rather than go in the residential way i know you're the developer may have a plan already in place that he may not want to change but i want to throw that out there to say i'd like to see more commercials i think the way the documents are written allow for that flexibility we know that we're going to have 60 60 000 because we know our unit count they've laid it out is 682. so we know we're going to be up around 60 000 available commercial if we have an office use it'll be more because the trade is different and we have no caps on the amount that we can trade so i think we've got it all set up in the paperwork to give that flexibility we can always come back in and do a modification to seek more especially if it's office it doesn't go through transportation review it's kind of interesting that if you add office to an existing project it doesn't go through transportation review but if you have it you do office in your initial that it goes through a transportation review kind of a quirk in our code but all right so denise is there a way that we can do something right now this to make it easier for them because obviously time is money and time delays go that we could give them an extra incentive to put even more uh commercial there as opposed to residential so i believe ms will hire stated that the way that the actual um the the conditions are written and the loom is written it doesn't provide a max cap provides the opportunity to do that um within the loom um i just i'm thinking out loud at the podium sadly the approval of this conversion is as liberal as it's an administrative without it's an administrative yeah continuing this and doing analysis i mean that because they right now what i'm what i'm seeing in the documents is for every 72 single-family residential

units they can get 20 000 square feet of commercial if you play with that and move out of ite then it's not based on anything so right now it's set up under the international transportation engineers matrixes it's defensible but anything one that wouldn't be different right do you think there's any chance we could get it more liberal for them to get more commercial in exchange for the residential it'll be a waste of time so here's an idea because i've stood here and said that we're going to exchange for um to get to 60 and it's trip equivalent so we wouldn't have to go back through unless let's see what the county attorney thinks but could we change these numbers now to sixty thousand seven hundred um so that we can't do any more than seven hundred so we have already like de facto made that exchange of that extra seventy to sixty thousand so you know what you proved today is sixty thousand seven hundred did would that be objectionable mr county i mean you could you could take out of the mpd right now the 72 residential units and give them the 60 000 we can change that in the document today and then they wouldn't have to do that initial conversion that and then you would know what the numbers are it wouldn't be left to us to do 770 residential we would know that we can only do 700 and that's 60 000 today i'm assuming that if staff approved the math that the math works and so you can make that change right now yes noted we'll have to bring some changes to the clerk's office but yes we could take care of that okay all right are we ready so it might address the commissioner's concern because i think office is exempt from traffic analysis so there may be a way that they could add more offer that would need to ask mr who's your traffic person did he assume that is i don't know if that affects your access management analysis so in theory they could have offices in exempt use so they could add more office without triggering a new traffic analysis okay not retail though but if you're if you want more office there they in theory could we could give the in the entitlement for more office without having to start any whole new analysis okay he's still gonna have to deal with it at access management stage when they come in for site plan approval but from

a traffic now i say that but then you just approve the comp plan but it has a cap so i don't know if you'd have to revisit the com plan to do that so but office is exempt from traffic analysis so as of right now they're looking at doing 60 000 commercial which is retail and that would be at 700 units for the cap so how could i could i i don't remember what the comp i don't have the comp plan memorized i don't know if it has a cap on if it has a cap on the amount i need somebody to help me what that cap is yeah yeah i mean normally we would allow them to increase them we encourage office okay so office is exempt from traffic analysis if the comp plan didn't have this cap of 40 000 square feet we could allow them in the mpd to go had a lot more office if we wanted to but now we've already approved the complaint with this cap for 40 000 square feet so i don't know how to do that without revisiting the comp plan no we just did the comp plan could we go back to it oh my goodness commissioner that's exactly what i was trying to do with you trying to find out why am i capping myself at 40 yeah a thousand square feet when i know i could do 400. so if i could if we got to go revisit today while we're here you want to come commercially stripped out county line road so jeff do you think they could do a motion to reconsider the comp plan oh because deo is 70 with this but i got to think that if i can promote more office space especially up there right that's got to be nothing but positive for us and if i can do that and even if it delays deo for you guys down the road i don't think it's a problem you're going to get extra entitlements without having to do it anymore i mean one thing you could do is you could give them the additional office in the mpd but say it's subject to the plan being amended and then whenever they get the complaint amended they can do that i mean i don't i don't know how to fix the comp plan problem i can fix the traffic problem for office but i can't fix your comp plan problem because that's a pretty hard cap so but to an extent you're designing this project for an applicant that already has a plan in place

and they may and they may not change but if they can get so much more office and well let me just say this barbara's well aware and her clients well aware that we give office away for free so they could have gotten i mean they could have asked rob they could ask for a million square feet of office and we would have said heck yes bring it but they didn't ask for it so that's the they know they they fully know mike mr razor knows barbara knows that if they had included office entitlements here we would have said it was examples okay but they never asked for it so the jeff's point you're sort of foisting office upon somebody that doesn't even want it well because they could if they had asked for it we would have given it to them and then david i just look at david i just look at they've got 10 acres of frontage right on conor lang road and of it they're going to use probably two-thirds of it and if and if i could put an incentive in them to go build more offices especially if i could trade off residential the like i tell you is that we incentivize the heck out of office we don't you know we don't we exempt them from timing the phases we have zero mobility fees the whole world knows this but they never ask for it so other than it's a potential use that's allowed under their retail slash office well i think their big money was going to be the residential that's what that's what they pretty much had sold like a lot of these projects too they're going to be locked into doing the residential but if they had to give up the part of the commercial so be it and maybe they can they just could come back later on to go the other way i guess what i'm saying though is that up to 60 000 they're allowed to have if they want to do office instead of retail our mobility fees incentivize that they pay zero mobility fees if they did office they're going to pay a heck of a lot of mobility fees if they do retail right but if they've got a retail that's coming into paying it they're paying it so it wouldn't affect them but if i've got an office that may be a little bit later coming down the road if i have that opportunity for them and make it easy to say you know we just go flip the switch and get it in there maybe they design it that way to leave that office space open until they get the right buyer for it well commissioner you might have this mission you might know there's one thing yeah i know we never met on this right we may know this we did not not even staff on this either okay

first of all i've seen it but did you guys did anybody other elves meet on this oh okay all right well no [Laughter] anyways since you guys did me i don't know where it seems like there was some confusion on what was actually coming out that's what it seems we're not you're not going to work this out right now i know i'm about to move to continue this you guys need to sit down hold on you guys need to sit down and like get this thing figured out because i'm not going to sit here while we debate how we're going to do this for the next 30 minutes this should have been done normally hold on we finished when we thought we did let me finish this should have been done previous everybody should have been on the same page before we bought in front of us my opinion but i don't want to hear let's try to figure this out on the spot so i'm going to continue unless we get a motion to approve or experience can i jump in please on behalf of my client who has a closing coming up and successfully i understand i'm not going to be here for the next 30 minutes i'm ready back and forth okay okay you guys should've met with me too i could have helped you along all right i'm gonna make a motion i'm gonna make a motion to approve it with the 60 000 office retail entitlements with a 700 unit cap eliminating the tnd reductions unless fully authorized by staff's record you know staff's regular regulations okay i'll second it all right all in favor aye aye opposed all right but i agree let's try and not redo projects from up here but we got that one here okay um we are on our 85 85 85 ready for pascal and while um are you presenting on this david who's doing the presentation while whoever's doing the presentation is coming up if anyone um i just want to make the point because people have asked if um if we would have some citizen oversight uh committee similar to the school district and i just wanted to reiterate that we do have citizen oversight committees we have on our environmental lands we have a committee that is appointed by the bocc on the jobs and economic opportunities commit we have the we have the jobs and economic opportunities committee the

jeoc appointed by the bocc we have the bpac committee appointed by us that does things all trails and sidewalks and we have the citizens advisory committee that talks about transportation issues so we have one two three we don't have one oversight committee we have four yeah so i think we're covered all right ralph you're doing the penny good afternoon sorry about that ralph flair intergovernmental affairs officer so today i bring before you the proposed resolution and project list for adoption for consideration and adoption in order to set forth the projects to be funded for the 2025 penny for pasco while a resolution is not required by forest statue section 212.055 it does provide a greater level of detail of how the board intends to use its distribution of the penny proceeds then is contained in the proposal ordinance and levy in the server tax the county administrator has met with each of you and gone over the attached project list so that is what's up for consideration right does anybody have any questions yep so a couple of things in the list were given i went over some of the tweaks that were not done right so they're fixing that but uh just to say that the school district of uh pineview elementary is actually i think it's district two as opposed to district five is that the one in uh point collier i think it is a choir time view there's pine view and there's pine there's cutler in a few pods parkway boulevard uh is this district five says district five should be district two district two yeah and on the bicycle trail connections we've got it listed where there's is the bicycle bayou trail connection from river gulf boulevard to bailey avenue right here it says partner with the city of newport richie but i'm just wondering should port richie be in the mix as well i don't know what they wouldn't be as for that underpass covers both can't hear that one it will actually also be a coordination with port richey as well so okay so okay just saying maybe you should be working that way and in some of my discussions we talked about uh infrastructure being what could be utility lines such as on conor line road um i think it should also work as far as could be a roadway through or next to an industrial park such as the vision road on hicks road um if we're comfortable keeping the flexibility i like as mr carbella said

the flexibility is there to go do it and lastly one of the improvements we're looking at is bridge rehabilitation technically the roadway of old dixie highway has got that bridge that was lowered down that we're trying to like look at and i would just want to make sure we consider that even though the span of what it is right now may not be full bridge with but if it can be considered as a project come comfortable i think the bridges that are listed here are are and again the beauty of how this has been structured is to not bind us these are projects we feel that we can realistically accomplish within the next five to seven years the old dixie bridge is actually going to be evaluated as part of the trail project and we have a study that's going forward to evaluate the structural capacity of that to support that and then we can make some decisions on that i don't think there's anything in here that would preclude future projects or bind or unbind future boards the ones that we currently have in here though we do feel that we do have um priorities on uh due to due to conditions of the bridge and i've got staff here that can talk to that but i don't think we've precluded anything by this it's just not explicitly called out because there's still more to be done and again we've had discussion but i just wanted to bring the bullet holes open on the same vein i would say there are um i have brought up numerous road connections that i think need to be made um there's a very small one in my district by um where we just bought that new parcel um uh lake was the oaks at riverside oaks at the riverside he's got the tree in there there's a very small strip that the developer said he would give to us you don't need to put that on your pantry blueberry and osteen yeah this is just specifically penny projects yeah okay that shouldn't be a part of this but those would be part of that your other capital program yeah all right then i'm good um anybody else thank you uh does this require a motion yes okay i'm move bro all in favor aye all right that one's done we did p86 p87 telling towing vehicles r87 um at your last uh last board meeting i was asked to revise the towing fee structure resolution to add the ability to do a surcharge for diesel fuel you'll find there's an on page 405 of the resolution there's a new five anytime the price of diesel fuel exceeds three dollars per gallon is reported by

the federal government for the lower atlantic states and then it's got a designation of p a d d one c uh the mileage rate the subject of the resolution may be increased or decreased in the following manner um and the little chart there for percentages of change uh have been included in the resolution i believe that accomplishes what the board's desire was i'm sure yep i mean hopefully i think i was okay with this last time and thank you to the county attorney's office and to keep this just i started your team for look at this three we just want to make sure that um we still have these uh trucks on the road and taking care of the citizens and um as we know the price has been up everybody else is unfortunately having to raise the prices they were kind of stuck and possibly losing losing money but we want to make sure they're there so i'll make a motion to approve so second favor more discussion just a quick discussion you know um you know we talked about cleanup after some of the accidents that go on and i'll say that uh somehow we need to see if there's a way to better follow up with them there was an accident i think by crain's roost on little road and in front of it this really looks like the lower side of a front end of a car sitting on the grass where there was an intersection so as we do help these guys make their money we i think we need to try to like follow up a little bit to make sure they're doing a full cleanup rather than leaving stuff to the side of the road yeah this is probably a good discussion that the team can have i would assume right it happens every single day yeah we we changed the ordinance to to make that more clear that they had a responsibility to to do that so that there they probably i think the issue is identifying which tow company had but but clearly that there you did tighten things up uh maybe you wouldn't get a letter sent out two years ago from the team as a reminder they refer to their ordinance yeah right that worked commissioner that was good and whose responsibility is it to clean up the traffic area the tow company that's called in okay um we i called the boat right i gotta call it now okay all in favor all right all right pose done you're uh we did p80 eight so we are on p89 good morning madam chair members of the board uh r89 is a resolution establishing the preliminary annual

disposal assessment tipping fees and other rates for the solid waste disposal and resource recovery system does the board have any questions none seems like you're after all the time super bowl soccer all in favor aye you got your money all right p r 90. [Laughter] i cannot beat that so i i apologize already good afternoon commissioners for the record marcy esberg director of community development here to speak about the home american rescue plan funding the new allocation plan so when president biden signed the american rescue plan in addition to funding that came to county cities funding also went to some of the departments including housing and urban development and 5 million dollars was set out to assist individually or individuals or households assist individually or individuals or households that were experiencing homelessness so basically it is a combination of our home investment partnership funds which is for affordable housing and our emergency solutions grant which is just for homeless people so it's funding to house people that are experiencing homelessness um so we are receiving just under 4.5 million dollars the funds were allocated on april 8 2021 and we have to expend them by 2030. uh they finally got the message that they should stop giving us money and asking us to spend it in nine months so um so in order to start this process it starts with this allocation plan with you approving the plan uh that we transmit to hud and um and kind of an fyi there are 600 of these we're part of 600 entitlement communities 87 plans have gone forward and 37 of them have been approved so keep your fingers crossed that this one will get approval we did a really good job with outreach um and gaps analysis which were the two major reasons other plans were not being approved so here's some eligible activities that we could do we could produce or preserve affordable housing we could do tenant-based rental assistance we can do supportive services and we could purchase and develop non-congregate shelter which would be individual units not bunk beds in one big room so the populations are those identifying serving individuals and households that are homeless at risk of homelessness fleeing or attempting to flee domestic violence and other populations where supportive services would prevent individuals or families from becoming

homeless including veterans and families of veterans so as part of the consultation process which was a very big thing for hud this year was making sure that we met with a lot of the partners in pasco county so we met with the coalition the continuum of care united way salvation army pasco sheriff sunrise of pasco which are a domestic violence provider pasco county housing authority vincent house veterans administration and catholic charities talking to them about what they see are the greatest needs going over the gaps analysis with them and getting kind of their their input and their buy-in and so based on all of these meetings and the findings of our gaps analysis we are proposing in our allocation plan to prioritize the following activities permanent supportive housing so permanent supportive housing is only funded at seven percent yet 42 percent of our homeless population are chronically homeless so they're very much under resourced uh housing for single adults families represent 17 just under 18 of our homeless population but they take almost 50 percent of our bed inventory and 91 of the households experiencing homelessness are adults without children non-congregate shelter 61 percent of our people experiencing homelessness are unsheltered and yet the non-congregate shelter beds were at a hundred percent capacity those were the beds that we were paying for in hotels uh but congregate shelter beds were utilized at fifty percent so because of that information we're going to focus on production and preservation of affordable housing to either acquire or construct it or rehab current housing and then on the other funding sources if you go to the next page we are looking for you to approve the plan direct the chairman to sign the documents and then this will transmit the plan uh hud we have put out a request for proposals actually this is the second time around for proposals from our partners uh for this funding that's usually what we do so those have come in i think we got about six or seven applications and so we will review those at the beginning of august with a committee and then bring the proposed projects back to you so today you're just looking at the allocation plan and signing the documents okay so um this 5 million is that the number you said is that is that all we're getting between now and 2030 yes this is a special well this is just a special program home arp this isn't like our regular home money which we get

every year so this is a one-time deal and they're giving you the 20 30 to spend this yes that's a long time i hope we can put it to use much sooner than that well i do too um yeah but we all know that if it's if we're going to build sometimes it takes three to four years just to get it out of the ground so yeah um it's like uh just right yeah discussion please marcy a while ago we talked and i've talked about this several years now the rope center over in hudson they have a building that we built for them uh it houses 20 men and bunks 20 women and bunks usually the women only like seven or eight of them stay there because they don't want to stay there in that situation they've offered the land that they have but they could actually build a single structure which would take let's say 20 women which would free up 20 more beds for the males um they said they'd be willing to work with details to make that happen had you exploited that with them and so how'd that turn out so that type of project would not be eligible because it's congregate shelter it's not non-congregated so there are 20 beds in one room no no and we have we have talked to them yes they would build individual structures for the ladies so they would have their own separate rooms not the congregate where you have 20 in a row yep so they haven't presented that to me and they did not apply when this request for proposals went out so i have not seen an application from them yeah and again some of the things that they do with their folks may have prevented them coming forward but i know they wanted to do it they've asked to go do it several times let me ask the board a question earlier today we talked about trying to take care of seniors that may not that aren't on the list as far as getting meals to me with the inflation rate they're at risk i think if we took a look at what the numbers would be to maybe take a lot of this money even over several years period of time that would that be something we want to take a look at as far as funding from this source as they i think they'd be at risk if they just had a 10 decrease in their spendable income so are you saying to build housing for i left the housing outside for now i'm not gonna i'm not gonna talk about that i'm talking about just taking seniors that are on the list that aren't getting meals to go take part of the money and go get those seniors on the list and fund them through this funding there

are 369 on the waitlist at this time and i am going to talk with area agency on aging about the additional funding that they have to see if we can move the utilize those funds for the additional meals at the next board meeting jack i wouldn't want to touch this and i don't know if we legally can i think they're looking at that other issue and they'll be bringing it back to us for a solution but i do you know like the idea of if there's land available and we can get something going quickly do we not want to look at it and if like the road um property if they're willing to i don't you know so it could still get looked at even if we said this today they have that other property too right where they have their i don't they still have it because i went to it where they have their their little store don't they own that they're little thrift uh yes yeah so um about sure yeah i think the question would be the other story coming from it if the funds can actually be used for that because she said no i saw her shaking okay yeah for the record so for the for feeding the elderly no no this is housing and we need the housing and we need this money to go for housing so but back to kind of uh commissioner mario's statement about looking after our seniors again go back again show us what your plan is to take care of some of our low-income seniors with the plan so this is not for low-income seniors these are for people that are experiencing homelessness now we have noticed a train trend that more and more of our homeless are are growing in age right so right so certainly the most vulnerable people will be taken off the streets and put into housing yeah so we say when we say homeless are we saying these people are homeless today or they have other possibly at risk of being homeless our first priority would be for those that are homeless because that's the biggest population and the least resourced and then after that we would go into a vulnerable populations that that perhaps we could prevent homelessness right we could also do that though with other funds whereas these funds are the only funds that we have right now for buildings so so um this is a really good opportunity to bring a lot of units online you know you know what i've been i get a lot of stuff on this yeah you can't use it though yeah i can't use it obviously at risk i i i read a lot on this and i'm seeing some of the creative things i've seen from other areas is they get well i think i told you in palm

beach county every development that comes in used to be a dri you have to put 10 10 aside for affordable housing they require five percent of the housing that comes in any new development has has to have affordable housing component to it which it could be a quadruplex you know duplexes there's and they get they blend seamlessly into the community other places they just donate they just donate some of the land in their development they give them a couple lots on the end of the street i think we should start asking um because that's the best way to blend these kind of folks in is to not put them all in one building in the bad area of town and away from any life or anything is to just you don't even notice it just blend them in what kathy wanted to say sure kathy pearson assistant county ministry of public services so i just want to reiterate for this funding they are the proposals went out applications are in it has been closed so i'm hearing marcy correctly she's putting a team together to review those applications to see what projects came through and that will come back to you in august for your final approval so we don't know what the i don't know if you've read the application so so she has seen some from the committee has not um i'm sure that's going to be scheduled so it's it's they're out it's closed and let the team review in the application so i just wanted to bring that up second so can we just move on because they're gonna bring us back um good all right oh sorry wait when we did the first and the second yeah motion seconds madam chair in a second all in favor talking about inclusionary housing and then we do we when we have to make a motion to ask staff to bring that back to us in an ordinance well we just have to have a discussion see if there's other other marxists got to make the rounds because it would help reduce the senior homeless population by having say you had a five-story building if you put two senior units on each floor i don't want to get into the design of it now i just wanted to throw out the concept okay all right k91 that concept would come through your land development code a land development code and just like we're talking about redoing it with adus allowing more to use p91 that's you've already done that you've finished the agenda you're done oh i'm going to pay you you're in miscellaneous what am i doing all right let's move on mr oakley old business no i don't want to go back i'm just

moving down my run through them again real quick and i can't play around cold medicine because that's warning we'll recap recap i would like to thank real property and planning team for their extra efforts in the tucker family reached out to us of questions regarding the tucker cemetery which was deeded to pasco county in 1965 and i'd like to thank heather josh and nick for their time and research in that project finding that information finding out that it was dedicated or given to the pasco county for maintenance and they're looking further into what they can do to help bring some closure to find out who's there who takes care of it and i think they're probably going to help out in some of that maintenance at tucker cemetery um also i'd like to bring up uh the fact that you know we do a lot of things here in the county and the county's been moving really fast and all with covet and everything else that we've gone through and our staff has gone through we've got to be very appreciative for for stan's service while he was here and the training he did for his assistants that helped carry us on but all of staff all the departments uh be very thankful for the work they do they're pushed to the limit i mean they have stacks of paperwork in front of them first time i'd ever heard it but even mr goldstein had had a stack after he came back from vacation he had to work on so so they didn't leave him out while he was gone but the fact of it is i think we're all very appreciative of all of our staff we appreciate the extra work you do even though at times we try to give direction and and things to lead us further down the trail to get through with some of your work so we we try to push to continue that and speed it up and streamline the best we can because it's important for our county and it's important for us to get these things done we have a lot of job jobs coming forward to be in our county based on a lot of projects we had coming forward those are very important for us they helped pay the bill and so not only are they will pay the bill but they'll also provide work for for all of our citizens so we've got to be thankful but i'm just thankful for all our our staff and all those their assistants and their teams because we're all a team together we need to realize that sometimes maybe we forget that but we all work together i'm just

very appreciative of all the staff um i had the issue on king lake and mike you may want to look into this the dental king lake where kenton road i've been looking at for quite a while because we had some flooding over in nowhood acres on the east side of jefferson and i've i've noticed that some of the drainage it used to be in king lake area was to the north going through morale but ever since jefferson has come and morata had started there's no water draining to the north at all it's all been pushed out to the west side of king lake and uh through the three gentlemen that were here speaking earlier they were speaking the truth they're being flooded on that on that west side because the atlas they used to have and one of them especially goes under tyndall road going to the north through murata to the i believe it goes all the way to the cypress creek area that's no longer happening so somehow like like somebody mike cabala and his team maybe reach out to donald kerry is very much well well aware of what's going on there and i'd love to look further because somebody's caused a real issue and it's called some of ours i mean it doesn't matter if it's one citizen or a hundred citizens every citizen accounts here in pasco county and that should be correct there's a flood issue there caused by development and we should not have that happening and no development should cause that on another individual in our county so if you will looking into that and [Music] let's see i guess that's all except for dan again i appreciate all that you've done for us i appreciate the training you gave our your akkas and and making sure they were doing their job and and you allowed them to do their job i appreciate that so i uh we won't forget you and uh we'll just keep going forward but you set us on the right trail to be very premier in this county and and the future is right come back to see us when you can and as a citizen we'll be willing to help you [Laughter] all right well that that's all i have mr martin thank you madam chair i'm going to cut out a couple things so dave get on his plane and get on his way after the meeting but uh okay real quick uh port richie

city council um in june the port richie city council did vote to remove another um neighborhood from the community redevelopment here at the area boundary i don't know if you guys are aware of that i had mentioned back in in may that they had voted on that the cra cra board came and talked about cra board voted on that so same five people that are on the city council on the crm board um thank you to the mayor and city council for moving that in the right direction really appreciate the relationship we now have with that city council and city manager um greatly appreciate it um number two u.s figure skating national showcase another big event talking about tourism coming to pasco county so we have a really cool event happening in august the u.s figure skating national showcase will be at the advent health center ice in wesley chapel the first week of august 400 figure skaters and families from across the united states we'll be here to compete so again very very exciting times for tourism el paso county so thank you to champions at skating club center ice and our tourism office experience florida sports coast for bringing that here you know i say it often you know we are florida sports coast not just because we like sports because it was a strategy and business decision that we all made as a tdc and a commission to bring these things here so again 400 families coming to foreign skaters and their families coming to password county either our hotel eat in our restaurant stay in our hotels and shop in the pasco county stores i had a discussion with mr steinschneider in reference to door-to-door solicitors did we find anything out mr steinstein i have not had an opportunity and i understand so i will bring i will bring it back i will bring it back uh i don't know if you guys have if you've heard from citizens or neighbors or friends that um it seems that the aggressive um door solicitors have returned not that they ever left but it's becoming more and more prevalent once again especially um i i say my district because that's who i hear from the most right so in the wesley chapel area i won't talk about some of the experiences i had but they do seem to come to my door quite often as well um mr steinsteiner we had this and i discussed this earlier he's going to look i don't know maybe there's we think there may be an ordinance already on the books we're really not sure which requires them to register if not i really think we should follow through on that and if they are already required to register how can we um do a better job of following through in that because you know some of these people they don't they come up they don't however they don't have badges on they don't have uniforms they scare people sometimes right and i don't know how many people really would prefer these people to walk up into

their to their door and all hours of the day and all hours of the evening again you know most recently in my house again without giving too many details i mean the person wouldn't leave literally wouldn't leave but i'm hearing it more and more from people and i see them walking up and down the streets and some of these neighborhoods do have no solicitation signs you could obviously um call the eso's office and and report them but it's is a process so we'll discuss it next time i'd like to do something to i'll be honest with you run them out of the county section 74-1 the pasco county solicitors and charitable solicitation ordinance last adopt last modified in 1992. oh so it's been a few years it's been a few years i was just a young type back then so commissioner moore may speak on this yeah so um home solicitation they're supposed to register with my office and we issue them credentials that they're supposed to present very good i want to let you know that's that's great i mean that's good we have that i guess we just have to discuss and again i won't get into the weeds on it today let's we'll bring it back so we can get out of here no no i appreciate it that's that's good to know so maybe you and i could have a discussion i'll have a discussion with mr steinsteiner bring something back to see if we could put a little bit more pressure on these folks um sorry i mean i mean at nine o'clock at night do you really want somebody knocking on your door scaring the vegetables out of you should any person post on his least or owned real property in obvious and immediate visible place a sign stating no solicitor no solicitors no soliciting no trespassing any holder of a permit issued under this section shall honor such signs and not solicit the premises so that when we have that discussion the question is going to be enforcement enforcement and let's look at what our current situation is what are the fines that are you know instituted if they don't come get a permit how much does that permit cost is it free you know i don't know it's minimal it should be ten thousand dollars and we do have a list of the ones that have a permit issued on our website so you can check yeah i'm going to guess that 99.9 percent i'm told that's it i'll bring it back next time so we can keep moving thank you um mr fitzpatrick okay i don't know what they have up there so i'll start with um i would like to recognize the solid waste team they had picked up about six piles of trash in the right of way and several mattresses so

great job keep up keeping pasco clean so we can become a premier county last week was the fact convention and i was able to be recognized for graduating the certified county commissioner certification so that was very exciting to participate in that for the past year next i would like to i'm always happy to support the first responders you had the crew to 40 they had their craft beer grand opening they offer a line of educational courses for the first responders and their primary annual project is to is their future first responder scholarship program because 5a offers a program for our teens in the high school program next we held our second annual commissioner's baby shower at the starkey market benefiting sunrise pasco i would like to thank you madam chair brian hoban staff and the staff that have organized and supported the event a special thank you to lane mendelssohn for his company's large donation they not only donated baby supplies but bedding towels personal care items and even sports care also oh that was from the fact convention the fact president former senator constantine and then we also have just in case any kids are outside playing in the newport ritchie area they do have the african snails that are back in the area and i know a couple neighbors well a couple people in the community have mentioned that they've seen them they can cause meningitis and i know if my children were not aware they would probably be out there playing and looking for snails to play with so just to make sure that they're not out there playing with the snails and i will leave the next one for next time thank you mr mariano thank you madam chair um i'd like to say that uh just yesterday's code enforcement i'm not caught up with the storm water team went out of westport you mentioned earlier did a phenomenal job getting out there right away getting the thing cleaned up i just want to give mike you and your team accolades for doing such a phenomenal job uh the people there they saw what we're doing uh and i think it's gonna lead to a quick solution um panhandlers i still see them now and then sometimes they're coming after five so i think we need to kind of like have a crew of code folks that can work an hour or two later if need be to go out there um otherwise they're just going to just slowly accumulate to get back in again people are very very pleased they don't see them as much as they used to so i want to make sure we'll keep on going that that's all i have thank you county administrator yes ma'am a couple things one there's been a lot of discussion

recently about fire rescue but they recently were awarded the american heart association gold plus award for pre-hospital cardiac care that's the second year in a row and that's we are one of only 33 agencies in the entire country that have achieved that award so a lot of good work going on out there those of you on the west side may have noticed that the westbound lanes on ridge road are open lanes three and four uh for the next couple months there will still be lane closures from time to time there's only one going eastbound right now unless there's still work to be done inside the right-of-way landscaping some final improvements to be made we expect the final project to be done late september early october at which point there'll be a big celebration that we're working on scheduling so and with that i think that's all i have i do want to i forgot to thank the tax collector senator fasano for his comments this morning uh so i want to you know thank him for that and the fact that he came over here just to make that i appreciate that um county attorney um i've been made aware that the federal lobbying services contract has expired um and so [Music] the all of our contracts have that for most of our contracts have a built-in renewal clause um it's a simple one two-page document if i could get and it doesn't change any of the terms except it gives them the ability to work for another year the rate stays the same rate stays the same so if i could have a motion to authorize the chair to sign an extension agreement uh when that's drafted um we'll get it done before your august meeting so here so that they can do stuff is that for all our lobbyists it's for that it's for van scoyne the the federal lobbyist so all in favor aye aye opposed okay anything else that's it okay you know this happens every few years please pass those down i thought you're gonna say you had nothing to say it was over two years please pass those down you can have one this one's for you even though you're leaving and i guess i'm giving out my i might have given out my original yes it's backyard chicken time i happen to see this in the uh yeah charlotte county got their chickens done we really need to get our chickens done so i i've actually received some emails

from people who are saying um they really want to save some money and they don't understand why they can't have their chickens so i would want to say again i mean it's such a small percentage of the population and but they really want their chickens and i think we should consider looking at a chicken ordinance i know we have to run up by welton again i will work on him but um i just want you to see other counties are doing it okay um uh christian mariana you neglected to say you got the presidential award at fact which i did too so thank you for all your service thanks congrats um i'm very proud to say i was asked to be chair of the federal committee again for the new the new um incoming executive team president i guess and also i've been asked to do a panel with a commissioner from el paso texas which some people may know that's where the air force academy is colorado springs and around there and a commissioner from [Music] oregon on international economic development so i'll be leading a panel at naco not leading i'll be one of three on the panel at naco discussing international economic development um i've been uh someone's been sending me photos of people mowing their lawn and all the lawn clippings going into the street and i you know i don't know i i don't think you're supposed to do that but how many of our lawnmower guys i'm not so sure it matters up in your area in the coastal area that just that just clogs everything up and silts up everything i guess it silts up the ponds i don't even know if when they're mowing the ponds if even our own guys collect their their grass clippings and then it goes in and it covers the bottom and then the water doesn't filtrate out so but i told her i would bring it up what what are go ahead commissioner i think it's something very very important um hillsborough actually sends out letters saying you can't do that i know in massachusetts at some points they have where they collect the clippings and they make it like you take them away um i'm actually going to be meeting with merrill brothers coming up in august

about trying to find a way can we take the clippings can they use and we process them in their stuff to try to increase the product that they have to try to go but to try to create some type of venue to where we can get those out but you know people in gulf gulf harbors woodlands um you know going on the canals there they got trees everywhere they got grass that just gets blown in there and they the silt yeah from that that fills in so as part of our waterway cleanup uh i think we should be looking incorporating that everywhere you know i wonder if we could just send a letter letter out in our in the utility bill just uh one of those heads up this isn't allowed or something something to think about i don't know how you enforce it because that's that's just a hard one to enforce um panhandlers we got the new um flyers in thank you very much um and senator fasano's office um printed them i'm sorry i didn't think to bring any here but for the west side they're in my office and we should certainly give some to the guys on the east but i don't think they have the issues that we have so um you hand those out and i think it really does just help them but i do think i've seen less panhandlers but apparently i've got a whole group of them living behind international plaza or whatever that international mall and darlington in 19 sadly they're they're on property that's owned by some guy who lives in taiwan or somewhere that no one can reach and um cat katie doltowski my executive assistant did a ride around with code enforcement yesterday and they said they cannot do anything about it because there's there is not a no trespassing sign and they cannot reach the gentleman um to ask him to sign one and therefore they're letting them live there so i that there's nothing legally they can do so is that true mr county attorney because it's driving the neighborhood crazy we gave commissioner mariano i believe reddit who read it into the record at a previous meeting the list of things that you can do that are likely violations if people are living on property without sanitation that is not in addition to no trespassing to having a trespassing so all of those things were are likely well i think we can send him a notice that he's operating a campground without a permit which is what we did on the one guy that lived here locally and he when he didn't respond we went to his house and we served him but how do we serve someone in taiwan um the county staff told katie that they're not allowed to try and contact anyone who doesn't live here

that it was uh the the county attorney's office said we could get sued well that's what they that's what that's what they're telling that's what she said that she was told so so we can so what can we do when someone lives out in the country and i mean we we could send them a letter that says um we're going to start leading them i think there's already a lien on this property but what do we do we just we foreclose we're already a lien on the property then then you could take you could that'll get somebody's attention if we start to foreclose um i think he's paying his property taxes there's like the liens there's if there's other you got to be careful when you when you start to foreclose property if there are bigger liens than yours on it then you're going to end up being the subject to those liens when if if and when you become the property okay katie's listening to the meeting and she said code said they cannot mail citations that's true that's a true statement but that's different than what you said you can't mail citations and expect that to be adequate service to bring somebody into court can you monetary can you can even though it's not a structure can you still condemn a property with no building on it well how do we notify someone we're condemning their property we've you know this started out with getting a hold of the property and that the county attorney advised that you couldn't mail them a letter without having liability because of healthcare help goes back to to how does code enforcement do their job you can get service in other states it's in thailand countries in thailand so we would hire someone to serve him you would hire some if if it's important enough for the commission yes you would get somebody just to do foreign service of process okay i bet it's never done that before i'm sure they haven't been good for micah okay well listen i'm willing to take the step that's the only step we have to get at step one to get them off the property because otherwise is it true we can't do anything if it's private property i just said they were there we went through a list of things that code could do what's another sorry you can get someone because okay i can bring someone senator bring back an agenda item for next meeting yeah because i don't remember everything i thought we could sign him for operating a campground without a permit which is what i did to get rid of that

one that shut down the well right so i mean that's not gonna work there's a list of a list of items that you can that you can go through some of which need service on the property owner some of which you can go after the individuals who are occupying the property if they're if there's a sanitation violation that's the person who's making the sanitation violation it's not necessarily the property owner so i'm assuming they are out there without toilets without you know any any sort of facility um so there are steps that can be taken okay we want to make sure code knows them all but code can contact our office and we'll be happy to assist them all right because right now they said their hands are tight um so in going through the fema ordinance i learned that a fence permit is required when you put a fence in certain areas that are affected by sally might i might mess this up sally affected by say storms and and flooding and wave action and um jack have you ever heard of this uh we dealt with it we had to have a special attorney deal with it sent a letter certified he got his approval that guy since retired he's the only one we know that doesn't i i don't think anyone go barbers knows they need a fence permit um and as far as i've dealt when i've dealt with staff code enforcement anyway there is no stop the stat defense permit required that's there is no fence permitting process in the county according to them we've made a rule that no um chain link fences on 54 and in some roads here we said that that's the direction but if we don't require businesses to put get a permit how they gonna know they what kind of fence they can or cannot put up so um derek's done a little work um on this and he's going to be bringing us some information at the next board meeting when we're back in newport richie similar to what you did on um the parking not you know not on residential but certainly on commercial and then we're going to have to make sure we're everyone's aware of this rule um in the uh hazard areas and lastly you drive on 52 it's full of coke and grass and i i actually think d.o.t is being coming a major spread they're the major spreader on on 52 but there are some pastures there that are

100 kogan grass on the south side we need to be very careful when they come in for development that the way you deal with cogan my understanding is when you when you clear you got to put it all into a palm you got to burn it you don't want to take it and transfer it to somewhere else but i'm telling you i've been telling this board for a number of years now we have got to get the coke and grass under control or every empty place and i'm talking about the spaces between palmettos every one of our right-of-ways is going to be covered in cocoa grass because there's nothing that that takes it out and when you mow it it sends it out so i'm asking you and i talked to cabal about this please get it off starkey boulevard swift mud takes it out when it comes on their site but it is coming down now the whole side on the right in our right away on starkey boulevard uh but we i i'm gonna talk to wilton about this this is a state issue this is d.o.t also got to get some money to treat their right-of-ways that they're and they're spreading they got to stop spreading it it's but it's just going to be like melaleuca in the everglades here soon i think that's it i'm sure yeah just to go back to the wave action thing so probably the next meeting of the meeting after we're going to have that's going to be a topic one of the problems with the wave action is it says in it it's very hard to defend uh as it's listed so it is something that we're real careful about letting staff to go put that into the code um as we go forward so please you talk about the lim wah uh the limwall line the limited the line of i don't know i learned about the limoua line and most engineers don't even know anything about it yeah i think that's where the wave action hits in the culture okay yeah so in trying to prove what's legit you know what what's safe and what's not safe and what's permitable and what's not is like super difficult we don't have the experts on staff for it and like i said in the private sector they're just not out there either yeah and like this this one gentleman literally he was going to stop him from having a retaining wall in his yard after he built this house after get a permanent part because of word about the runner the engineer had to go design it set it up and it's like like our whole coast is only you know two three four feet deep it actually applies for a whole coast it was completely inapplicable he finally got it approved and was able to stay but the next guy coming through he's going to face the same struggle without having an engineer that could certify it so so

much more trouble up and down the coast the commissioner chucks from charlotte county who used to be president of the florida building association um he's very concerned about all this action that fema's taken and um just like when we went out there for the bigger waters they don't necessarily have any numbers to back up a lot of the things that they're saying i talked to some builders and developers in pinellas county they went unbeknownst to them they didn't do what we're doing and where we have stakeholder groups they went to a level three and they told me this is in the community rating system we're level six they went to a level three as wreaking economic havoc i mean they've only just done it and it's already costing millions and millions and millions of dollars millions of dollars projects falling through right and left and they said they're trying to change it and um it's it's really going to become a big problem for dallas county and again that's why i wanted to make sure we're going to get sent to us the federal the state and then redline out the changes to what they're trying to put in so we find out what needs to be done and what's desirous of the staff to get done yeah this is something that our federal lobbyists can work on us with but i i am sure that when we go to tallahasse uh washington um this will be on our on our subject list um fema and when we go to go to washington okay me all right oh you yeah i didn't did i skip you you did but i thought you were saving the best for last so um i have actually just a quick update i have handed out our big um comprehensive financial report it was filed with the government financial financial officers association back in may this is from the annual odd financial audit that we go through it's a comprehensive financial audit it includes the constitutionals as well as the county and culminates into this beautiful document for your reading and what we do is we take the information here and make it consumable for everyone and we create a popular annual financial report that's not ready yet but once i have it i will distribute that and i'll be pretty happy to give you some copies if you want to hand out when you're out and about and talking with people we did submit this for the award of excellence financial reporting with gfoa we're just pen we're waiting on that award and if we get it it'll be 29 consecutive years of receiving the excellence awarding financial reporting so

excited um that we can hopefully make it 29 run at 20 sorry 29. that is such a wrong numbers off by 10 39 years 39 years and you know i think that there's probably maybe some people's room that aren't 39 years old so not me not me so so i was at a debate um and there was a candidate who said i'm gonna request a forensic audit the minute you know if i get elected and then i was able to tell this person we do it every year and it's online so have at it i wish other constitutionals would do them but neglected to say we got a reward for it too so what do you get 39 years ago it's for pascal county all right thanks everybody dan last meeting was a long one i've got another meeting so i get to go [Music] you