06.21.2022 Pasco Board of County Commissioners Meeting (Afternoon Session)

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uh where's my screen um jeffrey since we have all the firefighters here oh um that makes sense right your call yeah good afternoon i'd like to now call back to order the pasco county board of county commission meeting at june 21st of june 21st 2022 please silence all electronic devices and mute your microphones so normally we start with public hearings sorry denise but we had said that we would have the commissioners get a little more uh understanding of what we're dealing with with the lawsuit and so i think people have had an opportunity to talk and understand so um i can have barbara come up and explain it if you'd like or we can yeah i think based on the briefings that we did based on the briefings you've all had my recommendation continues to be that you have a litigation assessment meeting uh at your next meeting so that you all can candidly talk about the issues that are involved in this particular case um and have that candid candid discussion uh which will be court reported um as all litigation assessment meetings are but that it's not out in the public especially if you're inclined on settling this at a later date commission mariano thank you madam chair and uh just meeting with the county attorney got a little bit more information which there's a lot of information that's out there we when we meet in a private litigation meeting it's all recorded all the documents there so everybody gets to read what we said after we've said it but the flexibility we get to talk with each other with the county attorney puts us in a position to have that dialogue we're going to have that dialogue and i would just want some clarification which i didn't know which i just found out in the briefing as well is basal cancer is a non-invasive it's on the skin they freeze it when they take it off there's not a lot of danger to it and that's what the question was as far as did the legislation mean to go that far aflac and chubb both denied basal cancer as far as that the 25 000 settlement we are going to look at it um i i'm going to recommend them to make a motion that we do as a county attorney suggests at our next boc meeting we allocate time to do a litigation assessment meeting so we can talk about it and then we can make a

recommendation at the end of the litigation assessment like we always do to come forward i will tell you this whole board has tremendous respect for you in appreciation for you firefighters paramedics we appreciate everything we want you to to to serve our people as best you can and we're going to continue to do that this is just one of those steps and i i get a better appreciation i think the end result would be good and we're going to take a look at this thing all the way through what we need to make sure is we're protecting the county in full way um you know we've spent a lot of money giving you guys in working to get there it's taken time through education from you guys to us that we need to make sure your uniforms are clean right away that you've got a determination zone number one number two to protect yourselves to protect everybody in there so we're not blind to it but we got to go do this meeting the way we've got to go do it we're going to do it the next next meeting and i think you'll see a decision shortly there and i mean same day thank you commission mariano so that'll be my motion that we continue uh continue make a motion to have a litigation assessment meeting at the next florida county commission's meeting can i i think it's already set for the next meeting so yeah second i don't i don't know that you that we need a motion is that correct no if you give me direction to set up a litigation assessment meeting which i had at the last last board meeting i couldn't get outside counsel to this meeting that's why it was scheduled for the 12th or the next the next really scheduled meeting all i really need is direction of whether you want to have it at noon over the over the lunch break or before or at the conclusion of your business that day so that i can get the council there and a court reporter there um okay raise your hand if noon is good i think that we have more time to it's an hour okay it's noon okay okay we want time okay we have a lot of public hearings so i do want to keep moving is that okay okay all right so we will continue and i echo commissioner mariano's um sentiments i think you see how much this county is investing in helping to keep you safe and but we never no matter what the topic is discuss litigation here it's just really really bad form and we can't do that so um we thank you for coming but we're we're going to move on to the um public

hearing and the first one up is p62 p62 was published in the tempe times on may 18 2022. do you want me to wait a few seconds or yeah give give them just a few okay they're being very quiet and respectful so i think you can go okay okay thank you madam chair commissioners denise hernandez plenty of most of them planning and development good afternoon um item p62 is bcs220270 this was actually um published in the agenda agenda as a continuance to the august 9 2022 board of county commissioners meeting at 130 in date city i'll take a motion oh do i have to see if anyone wants to speak no it was advertisements continues okay second all in favor aye thank you p-63 item p-63 was published in template times on may 18 2022. p63 is bcs 220271 likewise this was also published in the agenda as a continuance to the august 9th 2022 board of county commissioners meeting at 1 30 in dave city move to continue time certain second all in favor aye opposed thank you p-64 please announce the okay item p64 was published in tempe times on june 8 2022. okay good afternoon commissioners mike schumache director of pasco county animal services uh p 64 is ordinance amendments chapter 14 animals just brief background on february 22 this year the board heard presentation from animal services department regarding the abandonment of animals in the wild due to impulse buying from various retail revenues and the lack of public education on rabbit ownership the board directed animal services to initiate an ordinance amendment to chapter 14 to add rabbits to the list of pets prohibited for sale in public places and required certificates of source for the retail sale of pet rabbits and pet stores so that's where we are today it's presenting an ordinance amendment to the board of county commissioners chapter 14 of the pasco code relating to animals providing for definitions to include rabbits providing for restrictions on the sale of rabbits in public places providing for removal of rescue tag definitions and exemptions providing for enforcement [Music] penalties and remedies for violation providing for applicability repealer separability inclusion into the code of ordnance providing for the transmission of the

ordinance to the department of state and providing for an effective date so basically we're adding in our definition section we'll be adding rabbits to the definitions that pertain to animal rescue organizations breeders brokers a certificate of source pet dealers pet sellers and pet stores we're also going to be removing a reference to or definition of rescue tags this uh also there's an exemption for rescue tags in 1496 and we're doing this because this particular definition has not been applied to anything in about 10 and a half years since we started the save 90 program rescue organizations buy their own licenses the other sections of the ordinance that will be amended the section 14 108 which is the primary focus of retail sales on dogs cats and rabbits we've added rabbits to this section we've added certificate of sources required by pet stores now to sell rabbits also sales records requirements by pet stores to account for their sales of rabbits and we're prohibiting the sale of rabbits in public in private streets flea markets parking locks or open air venues this coincides with the same ordinance we had for puppies kittens cats and dogs we also restrict the sale of rabbits by breeders pet dealers or large kennels who typically are permitted uh in locations only section 108 also is adding rabbits to the penalty section and in section 14 115 we're prohibiting the transfer of rabbits along with dogs and cats from anyone or to anyone who's on the animal abuser registry animal services recommends you accept public comment adopt a proposed ordinance amendment by roll call vote authorize the chairman's signature and on the same and direct board records to transmit the ordinance amendment and the coding form by long-term electronic mail to the department of state within 10 days after enactment thank you um board members do we have any questions before we open up to the public no go away okay um do we have anyone signed up to speak on this ordinance we do and we have um some on webex as well okay so i'll go ahead and call the ones that are here um we first have curt marsh followed by i think it's mary lynn hmm i can't i don't i can't see the last name but mr marsh can you go ahead uh good morning or good afternoon my name is curtis marsh i am president of suncoast house rabbit rescue i live at 30 32 22 masonville loop holiday okay i'm glad we finally got this far

uh just to reiterate in the last 72 hours we've been contacted in the tampa bay area again by over people with 22 rabbits looking to re-home them that's just this weekend so anything you can do to stop the constant flow of rabbits will help and it's not included in the ordinance and all the talks that i've had there's been some concern by some commissioners around the area they're always worried about if we take ban the you know stop the sale of rabbits it'll take food off of someone's table there are no pet stores selling rabbits that people are eating that's a whole different ball of wax that goes out somewhere else has nothing to do with pet stores no one's buying a 125 rabbit to turn around and raise food hopefully hopefully i mean if they are it's never say never they're they're not buying a rabbit that's three pounds they're you know no one's eating quail and cornish hens anymore either so um anyway i can't don't have anything else to say other than please vote yes yeah i i think we are but i can't speak for everybody um anyone else want to speak i have a list you want me to go down the list okay okay although although we could save trouble if i mean maybe if people knew it it was going to be favorable and we didn't we wouldn't have to have everybody come up but uh my name is mary lee you can lower that oh it doesn't go low enough for me uh my name is mary lynn fusell i live in pasco county and i recently had the opportunity to foster some rabbits and i just became aware of how sensitive they are not only physically but emotionally and these stores and these roadsides just don't understand that just wanted to sell them and make some money on them and i think that's very cruel and unfair to these little critters if there's anything you can do to help these ban the sales of these rabbits appreciate it thank you miss facel did you give your address for the record yes it's on there 80 10 if you could speak it into the record thank you state road 52 thank you hudson flor hudson florida okay thank you ma'am all right i have um gwen burley followed by i think it's sanjay schwartz my name is gwen burley i live at 155 diane circle indialantic which is over on the east coast so i drove to this side of the state for several reasons one is to support a rabbit ordinance that includes no

sales by pet stores um i'm here so that uh i'm not i'm not um an anonymous keyboard warrior i've written a lot of emails to you i kind of hope that the information that i shared with you supported no sales at pet stores i thought i kind of made it clear that the pet stores become community friendly when they are prohibited from retail sales they then turn around and advocate for adoption um i think i think there's two ways to handle the rabbit issue you can either have action or you can have apathy when something comes up in our lives that's uncomfortable we can make a choice to either be proactive or we can make a default decision so i kind of think what you're doing is making a default decision so that you don't have to deal with backlash from your stores um i think speak for myself anyway often when i choose not to address a problem life will deliver us a circumstance that is too large to ignore and i think that then you have to make decisions and your excuses that you no longer had a choice i think you have to look at your animal services and uh decide whether you're being irresponsible in that you could have a large rabbit abandonment event or you could have um a hoarder situation which happens a lot i think we've documented that and then your animal services is up the proverbial creek there's no support you have another minute okay so i mean do you have any questions about that do you understand what happens if your animal services gets 50 rabbit situation 100 rabbit situation rabbit rescues are the ones that have always stepped in to help animal services around this state and they're they're underwater we don't talk back and forth thank you for the podium yeah i was hoping you have questions no that's not the way it works thank you sanjay schwartz schwartz is that correct followed by miriam parham good afternoon my name is zunya schwartz i'm at 22 at 3222 masonville loop in holiday florida and i'm here today to express my support for the proposed ordinance change that would prohibit the sale of rabbits in public spaces however i would like to encourage you

to not stop there but take a step further and consider a full ban on the sale of rabbits and pet stores as you probably noticed none of the pet stores thus far have made an appearance at any of the previous meetings to voice their concern over a potential sub of rabbit sales at their stores many of the pet store employees are even in support of a full ban as they realize that pets are often that rabbits are often impulse buy and need a lot of care and a lot are a lot more work than many people realize in orlando pet supermarket immediately reached out to rescues to hold adoption events after the rabbit sale ban went into effect the sales of rabbits don't even make a big dent into the overall sales of the stores that sell them so please consider the welfare of these intelligent and fragile creatures and consider a full ban of rabbits in the future thank you thank you miriam parham followed by diane hello my name is miriam parham and i am a pasco resident for the past 27 years and also worked in healthcare i'm at 9932 caribou trail dade city i also represent florida voices for animals and non-profit organizations with over 4 500 supporters our mission is to educate the public about animal abuse exploitation but with the current situation i know we've talked about education providing some piece of paper telling them how to care for the rabbit that's not enough most probably won't read it and if the pet shops don't understand or agree with the problems faced by the rabbits during their lifetime you know how can they provide education i went to one place and they directed me to a book a big thick book about how to care for rabbits they didn't have anything to provide for education there's really no humane way to breed transport or sell rabbits the entire industry it causes extreme suffering to make a profit the breeders could be like puppy mills some have been confirmed to be the transporters the cages are tightly packed with baby bunnies and even short distances can be very stressful extremely stressful to the baby bunnies the retailers often keep them in wire cages you've seen the pictures and with other issues um with how they're in there but finally it's the consumer it's been mentioned there's a lot of suffering and abuse that occurs in the hand of many well-meaning consumers who are unaware of the care required at some point i pointed out and not only that they chew a lot of things but they really don't like to be picked up or held by young kids who don't know how to hold them so they can be easily injured or killed during interactions they're not toys and they can scratch little arms and faces of kids trying to pick them up when they struggle and they're in discomfort and stress and usually they're timid but they can be startled and they can bite and i mentioned before they can be

easily become sick and they're good at hiding it until it's too late so with all these concerns it's not surprising that children are parents tired of the caregiving necessary and no longer want them and we've talked before about they're rarely good options the shelters and the sanctuaries are full and so when they're turned away because there's no more room or people don't know where to take them that's where more suffering and tragedy begins because then sadly they're released to survive on their own a huge challenge for domestic rabbits and they're not just extreme temperatures but predators can get them so the recent stories of a lot of abandoned domesticated rabbits found skinny malnourished injured are growing it's a huge challenge for as we said the shelters and sanctuaries and they're overwhelmed and it's heartbreaking to all of them so please listen to the facts and what we're sharing with you those innocent creatures are suffering and they really don't have good options so please join the progressive counties in florida like desoto orange and most recently martin county and cities like key west and port st lucie and states like california new york who banned the rabbit retail sales this is really a year-round tragic situation obviously worse around easter but please do the right thing today please protect those innocent bunnies from the tragic outcomes so please just bam the retail sale of rabbits i do thank you for the ban in the public places that's the start but we need to go the whole way that it's headed in all these other places thank you so much for your time thank you diane kuhn followed by marie galbraith hello my name is diane and i live at 9011 exposition drive in tampa florida i'm also a member of florida voices for animals and i'm here today to let you know that i support a full retail rabid ban in pasco county and i appreciate your time thank you thank you marie gilbert thank you followed by dara crystal hello my name is marie galbraith i live at 11 825 hickory nut drive in tampa florida and i am a board member i am a board member of florida horses for animals i did speak at the previous meeting that you had concerning the rabbits and i am speaking on their behalf i do support a full retail rabbit band i have sent you emails several emails and so you have all the information that that i wanted to present to you so please do do the right thing by the rabbits thank you dara crystal followed by renee rivard um could you go ahead and line up if you're here to speak about the rabbits and

it'd be great if you could say something different because we have a lot of people saying the same thing and if you want to make an another point that'd be great we have a very busy day is there anyone else that wants to speak about rabbits please get in line and if you're the last one raising your hand you'll be the last speaker on rabbits thank you hi there my name is dara crystal i am a 3633 kings road in palm harbor um i'm calling for a full retail ban of the rabbits um flea markets pet stores you know you name it the rescues or of course as they've mentioned um overflowing um so at uh nearly 1500 signatures um we have a petition online um stating that uh the public's ready for for a full ban you know the rescues are going out trapping rabbits out and about um and uh not not to mention it's it really is tough on the on these creatures um that being said they're very docile um they're not pets for children they they definitely are animals that require specific care and a large amount of the population just don't know how to properly care for them most likely they become overwhelmed and then they release them outside if they can't get them into shelters or rescues so that being said we're ready we're ready for a change so please support a full retail ban of the rabbits thank you very much thank you hello commissioners renee brevard cortez florida i respect the folks who do animal rescue i work on animal life ma'am we need your address please oh p.o box 81 cortez florida i respect the folks code and your zip code three four two one five thank you i respect the folks who do animal rescue i work on animal legislation i don't do animal rescue i don't do animal rescue because i would be angrier than i already am angry that people abuse animals angry that animals suffer and die so people can make money angry that many legislators turn their heads the buck should stop here you are the people who make the rules your animal services director said 80 percent of pet rabbits die are surrendered or abandoned in the first year i repeat 80 of pet rabbits die are surrendered or abandoned in the first year in addition to suncoast house rabbit rescue you already have a new brick and mortar rescue taking in rabbits runaways animal rescue i am sure their intent was to help animal services with dogs and cats but now they're taken to rabbits and spending their resources

on them i sought eight rabbits up for adoption on their website last year the tampa humane society spent forty thousand dollars just to spay and neuter the 261 rabbits they took in last year that forty thousand dollars could have been used to help animal services with cats and dogs tampa humane society's ceo supports a full retail rabbit ban pinellas spca took in almost a thousand rabbits in the last three years pascal is growing in population and senior unwanted pet rabbits numbers will catch up to hillsboro and pinellas your rabbit rescue and those across the state have to re that rely on fosters are overwhelmed and struggling to keep up for them it never ends their lives are ruined by this problem please help them commissioners you don't allow rabbits at your animal services rabbits are the third given up pet given up in high numbers education means nothing people still give up dogs and cats do something to help them even if it's an easter ban to stop the retail sales during march and april if people can't find a rescue to rehome their unwanted pet rabbits they dump them outside and dump them in pairs where they multiply quickly into colonies up to 100 rabbits the florida department of agriculture agriculture is on high alert for deadly rabbit virus which these store rabbits bring into our state the virus could wipe out our entire wild rabbit population 15 years ago petco and petsmart stopped selling rabbits because of this problem other pet stores can still can do the same go to an adoption model and still make money off of this supplies rabbits are only about one to two percent of their business please send in example commissioners make a motion to add rabbits to your dog and cat band the third most given up pet make the stop the buck stop here thank you thank you and our last speaker that's here we have some online that's you yeah and we don't have any online we do yeah good afternoon commissioners my name is barbara costa i live at 6017 broken arrow drive newport richie florida three four six five three i'm here in support of a full retail ban on the sale of rabbits i am the rescue and adoption coordinator for cats for possum village rescue based in newport richie i have been doing cats for 35 years i've been telling people for 35 years spay and neuter is what you have to do and i've really done a whole lot of good i know animal services is overwhelmed with cats coming in with dogs coming in they don't have space to take rabbits runaways didn't start to take rabbits but they're taking rabbits because there's nowhere else i get calls oh will you take cats will you take my rabbit i'm unable to do that so i have to tell

these people i'm sorry i can't help you and they asked me what i would do i would tell them go to where you bought the rabbit well i went into pet supermarket and i asked the employees there and they said they sell them but they're not allowed to take them back if someone doesn't want them and when i ask them well what do you tell people and they said we don't know what to tell people so we know what happens to a lot of them people abandon them they don't think of them as sentient beings they don't understand that they breed like crazy and the virus that's being spread coming in from europe in rabbits will eventually go to our wild population and that's the end of rabbits if people don't care about the wild rabbits care about the predators that survive on them so i'm asking you to please support a total retail ban on the sale of rabbits including pet stores petsmart and petco don't sell rabbits and they both do great thank you very much for your time okay we'll move on to of the online speakers all right we have anne marie uh can cancio looks like you are is she on her your mic's on if you would like to go can you hear me we can hear you now okay thank you yes my name is ann marie cancio i live at 17802 ridgeway court in tampa 33647 and um i i am taking heat of your call to you know kind of reduce what we have to say i don't have anything to add that's original but i did want to call and express my interest in this topic so the only thing i i want to say is just that i believe that the pasco board of county commissioners has a golden opportunity to drastically change the situation and to help ease the plight of rabbit rescues and the staggering number of abandoned rabbits in their charge by approving a county ordinance to ban the retail sales of rabbits so i urge you to give rabbits the same consideration in mercy that was extended to dogs and cats when this body took action to ban the retail sales of dogs and cats in 2020. thank you so much thank you next next we have laura pennington hold on just a moment we're okay miss pennington we can probably hear you now if you'd like to begin okay um yes i'd also like to say support laura need your name and address for the record please oh sure laura pennington 3107 belmore road tampa florida 33618 part of the reason i started to speak at some of these things is that i i found a dead abandoned rabbit in the park fairly recently and it kind of made me sad i had rabbits throwing up they are very sensitive sweet animals they are hard to

care for a couple of mine got killed by predators the couple got poisoned and it was traumatic for me for my sister for my family and it was it was heartbreaking and i think it's something that's easily avoidable by this retail ban because i do think in my family's case and in a lot of families it's an impulse purchase my daughter for years bugged me to get a rabbit and i just said no i don't think they make good pets for children and it was tough she bugged me for probably a decade and i kept saying no because they are sweet sensitive they're not like dogs and cats they don't make great pets for children so i'd like you to consider that when you vote thank you so much thank you next speaker is nina perino hold on just a moment i hope they can hear me we can hear you now if you state your name and address for the record and you you can proceed okay thank you is i fully support everything that they have said and all the points that they have brought up so well said by everybody so far um and i do support a full retail ban on rabbits this is a great opportunity to please alleviate this horrible situation um and that's about all i have to say i just fully support the full week all retail vote on please please thank you so much thank you next this is the last one um that's on webex ashland st claire hold on just a moment and you should be good uh hi my name is ashlyn st claire i'm from port orange florida 5748 stuart avenue three two one two seven thank you you may probably and okay i'm i'm here to just uh again support the full retail ban of rabbits and just touch on a few points that you've heard everybody else say that these are sensitive animals and that is right on point if these animals get scared in a certain way they can pass away from a heart attack if they're held the wrong way they can break their backs trying to escape they can scratch and claw at children i've visited many pet stores and have watched people come in handle the rabbits improperly i've seen improper care of the rabbits flies flying around that can lay eggs in their ears and cause mites um i i've taken care of several rabbits in my lifetime and it breaks my heart see all these rest so full abandoned and mistreated rabbits and um i would just like to say that i too support the full of rabbits and i won't take up any more of your time but just to say i support this as well you

that's it okay all right board members yes might be asking as well okay so wrote the ordinance you know obviously i would assume you reached out and spoke with all the commissioners and stuff i mean i did um travel around some of the and i apologize my microphone give me one sec there we go that better um i travel around some of the pet stores in my area and when i say my area around wesley chapel atlanta lakes i didn't see any rabbits recently i'm not saying they don't have them um but in your i mean listen i mean you don't take rabbits typically typically typically don't right i mean but if we do it all right all out ban on retail sales of rabbits um you'd say fine yes okay now now the other question would be if that's the direction this board decides to go in you do have feed stores right that sell rabbits for breeding and for feed i know of at least two feed stores around the lana lakes area i think there's some on the west side as well there's yeah are they retail yeah well that's i guess that's the question how do you distinguish between the two now listen this guy doesn't eat rabbits but some people do and some some people breed them for agriculture uses [Music] how do you distinguish the two for me they're all retail i mean when we look at retail because they're housing those animals in their stores there's a there's an element of that that is inhumane as i visit some of them and you see um i think that if people want rabbits there's other agricultural sources that they could get them from um like for example what you know if a lot of 4-h breeders out there so say if a farmer wanted to have rabbits how would they go about doing that i'm not sure exactly how they go about it honestly but i think there's enough uh breeders out there that legitimately sell rabbits that they could find those if they wanted them okay all right those questions i mean one of the suggestions was also made looking at um

around easter time because that's when the most sales take place and i think they mentioned like a february march april type of situation or maybe it was just march and april but i think the other thing to consider too is wherever they're getting those that they're going to use for food or for growing or for agricultural purposes those are not the ones they're abandoning and i think one of the speakers mentioned that as well that's typically not the case um okay that's all i have for now mr chairman if i can follow up on the commissioners in line of inquiry um what the ordinance that has been advertised for public hearing today is in public places you would have to re-advertise to include a retail ban i understand okay thank you i appreciate yeah no thanks i appreciate it yeah i just wanted to ask you know mike these questions i just didn't want a motion to be no no i i thank you no i think and and so let me follow up on that too i i guess you could always again if so if the board so inclines is you can possibly move forward with the ordinance of today and then if you want to make an amendment to it we would we would have to move forward with that that would be my recommendation and you we'd have to see what the governor's office did with the business damage yes legislation right which is on his desk but he hasn't signed so okay i would assume some of the folks out there are aware of what he's speaking of so again today you would not be able to since it's not advertised do an all-out retail ban you would have to advertise that to allow the public or those concerned citizens to come speak on it but today we can move forward with this if we want to bring back the other we would have to advertise it again thank you man so i um i mentioned when we brought this up before that i was for the total the band yeah so just getting that on the record uh yeah mike there's no way to determine like to separate retail and wholesale like a farmer or something who buys them in mass quantities compared to the one by one sale in a retail store there's no way to divide that i'm not sure what would define those two to separate them out we could certainly look into it and we could look at the agricultural aspect of it because i believe that if you are strictly dealing with agricultural sales uh it's protected under i believe the farm act so i would assume it would be 4-h things like that i believe are protected so we could look at that a little further if you need to okay

good manager yep you know again i don't i just don't want to go down a slippery slope on the agriculture side where we open up but i don't think they buy their product at a pet store well i don't just i just want to make sure that's why you know one of my county attorneys sorry to come in too so i if if we're done with comments now i hear i'll i'll make the motion to approve this today um and then i'll make a separate motion and bring back the other because we can't do the other today okay second on your first motion okay okay um so we'll do a roll call vote district one commissioner oakley aye district two commissioner aye district four commissioner fitzpatrick aye district five christian mariano all right mr three chairman starkey aye and then and madam chair so i will make a motion to bring back the full retail ban and advertise it what i guess would be a actually let me restate my motion i'd like to bring do an amendment to what's been approved today to bring back a full retail ban in addition to what's been stated in this ordinance yeah okay okay well where does where do they purchase their 4-h rabbits from i don't know typically they're getting theirs from family members who have been through 4-h before other friends they know in the school system that sponsors the 4-h and also agricultural sources so farms things like that so i would ask one clarification do you want me to come back with any kind of exemption i prefer not to i'd like to make it a full ban without any exceptions or exemptions because in our retail ban on dogs and cats we did have one store in pasco that was selling puppies and kittens and we allowed them an extension that store no longer exists so i'd like to remove the entire exemption from the ordinance if i can i i think mr steinstein would probably answer that and he also once like he stayed before we have to see what's he's he's got yeah the legislation he's gonna have to look that over as well yeah it's a question of whether or not whether or not it gets vetoed or whether it gets [Music] apparently he's gotten until the july 2nd to to sign it or next friday we've actually heard testimony from other councils where pet stores have come and the numbers they gave were not significant to the fifteen percent loss okay just on rabbit sales okay yeah that makes sense so i i doubt it's even

going to be it probably is a mute issue really right then i'll just keep my motion as yeah motion second to bring back no exemptions well the you might want to have i think that what mr shoemate is saying is he wants to get rid of the exemption that's already in but you probably do want to have an exemption for agricultural sales yeah yes that's from what i'm from what i'm hearing yes yes that would interfere with any agricultural or state statutes or anything so but we'll work with okay what about the rabbits that have been rescued are they allowed to resell or re-adopt them out typically what we do with the like we did with the puppy and dogs those stores can sell technically if they're sponsoring actually we don't allow the stores to sell we allow them to host the rescues who sell and we have allowed animal welfare organizations to do that under the ordinance okay that's what petco and petsmart do right now with dogs and cats and kittens and puppies right they just open their doors and allow them to sell the animals because they know if the sales of the animals are there the sell of the supplies that they host that's their business and that's why they do it so right so i think we get a call of motion uh yeah it does not be a roll call this is not regular okay all in favor aye aye aye opposed okay thank you next one g65 p65 item p65 was published in tempe times on february 2nd 2022. good afternoon denise hernandez planning and development item p65 is pd220053 today is the adoption on this item so i'm asking we're asking that you adopt the ordinance by roll call vote it's an ordinance amending the pasco county comprehensive plan providing for tax amendments to future land use element appendix and providing for additional tax amendments as necessary for internal consistency a map amendment to future land use map 2-9 amending sub-area map 2-922 gateway hub subarea and subaru map 2-922-a gateway hub sub-categories providing for repealer severability and an effective date i do want to say that there was a revised agenda memo that was submitted to the clerk's office that modified just the ld the land development code sections in page six uh this was presented to the local planning agency who found it consistent with the comprehensive plan recommended approval to the board of county commissioners on february 17th and it was transmitted to the department of economic economic opportunity and other reviewing agencies on march 8 2022 again if you

would take public comment and adopt by roll call vote okay would the applicant like to speak waved you off he waved you off oh okay all right uh is there anyone who wishes to speak on p65 no one signed up for p65 right board members approval second all in favor all right bro oh i'm sorry we'll call okay just broke one yeah go ahead yeah district one commissioner oakley aye district two commissioner moore district four commissioner fitzpatrick aye district five commissioner mariano district three chairman starkey aye all right p66 found it item p66 was published in tempe times on november 24 2021 and june 1st 2022. that's it thank you uh p66 is pdd220087 this is likewise the adoption for this item so we're asking you that to accept public comment and adopt by roll call vote it's a large scale comprehensive plan amendment c pal 2105 fair cloth at bellamy an ordinance amending the pasco county comprehensive plan providing for a large scale comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use maps 2-15 and sheet 13 changing from res one residential one dwelling of per gross acre to ppd planned development and approximately 188 acres of real property located north of state road 52 and west of bellamy brothers boulevard a tax amendment creating sub-area policy flu 7.1.64 fair cloth at bellamy a map amendment to future land use map 2-9 adding sub-area map 2-9-64 fair cloth at battle me providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for repealer severability and effective date was presented to a local planning agency who found it consistent with a comprehensive plan and recommended approval to the board of county commissioners on december 19th sorry 9th 2021 and it was transmitted to the department of economic opportunity and other reviewing agencies on january 11 2022 again please accept public comment and adopt by roll call vote does the applicant want to speak okay is there any public comment about this move approval second um i'm just sorry i didn't look to see what the trail situation was around here but i'll go ahead and do the roll call vote district one commissioner oakley aye district two commissioner moore district four commissioner fitzpatrick aye uh district five commissioner mariano district three chairman starkey aye next one uh p-67 uh was published in tempe times on may 22nd 2022. all right p67 is pdd220397 this is the adoption um for this item this item was presented to the horizontal round table interested parties meeting on april 18 2022 it was provided

availability for comments we did not receive comments from the horizontal round table or interested parties meeting this went to a local planning agency who found it consistent with a comprehensive plan recommended approval to the board of county commissioners and this was also presented a full presentation at first reading to the board of county commissioners on june 7 2022 an ordinance by the pasco county board of county commissioners amending the pasco county land development code ordinance number 8921 as amended providing for amendments to section 406.1 signs section 601 traditional neighborhood development section 1200 non-conformities creating section 1203.4 non-conforming signs amending appendix a definitions providing for additional amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for applicability repealer severability inclusion into the land development code modification and an effective date so we're asking today that you please accept public comment and adopt by roll call vote all right um denise the changes that we talked about every single one was yes ma'am taken care of otherwise i would not be here today in front of you telling you thank you you're very welcome does anyone have any questions for denise commissioner young police on page 30 yes sir section c3 science structure requirements can you please tell me the section because i i think i may have just printed out the strike through underline because that's kind of how i function can you tell me the subsection please uh citing requirements then digital page 30 okay page all right um it's not my page 30. this is regarding digital signs for office commercial and industrial this is the end this is the new section yes sir so my my concern with the sign on this has always been like on us 19. people like pole signs because they can see them they elevate them up they can see on both sides of the road um it says here that a digital display cannot be permanent in a monument sign it's been granted a height increase through an alternative standard yes sir so around the rest of the county you know less than a you know six lane highway i i don't think it's a factor but i think if you've got a sign that's already up and you've already got it elevated i don't know yeah so why would we want them to have the table because they have given up other signs in order to have that sign so this is more this is this actually allows more speech on that sign so there have been signs that for example i could think of two different places where that there might be an elevated roadway and the the planning commission or the drc depending on when it happened through the alternative standard process they were granted a 20-foot sign well

the maximum height of monument signs is 11 feet so this kind of goes with the concept that the board did not want to have digital signs on signs that are you know non-conforming or signs that were granted a type of exception so that's where that came from full agreement but certainly if the if the board gives a different direction you know um we're here to do what the board asks us to do i mean if i've got someone's got a 10 foot sign you know other than a busy highway i think they're fine right i don't have any problem with that but if you're on u.s 19 you've got extra height i i don't think it should be a total of the square footage of the sign itself because if you take the length if it's 20 feet high and it's eight feet wide that would give them a lot more space to work with right i don't want to give them all that space but again if they just took more height so people could see it i would think there's a better square footage way to put it in there where you can actually allow them to have a decent size sign but still elevate it up and whether it be already it's already elevated up anyway i'm not going to flash for more than 15 seconds anyway the time would be to allow a facing of the sign because i'll tell you the one side i'm thinking of right now is sun toyota they went sky high right they got the standard yeah they got an 18-foot sign right now they just use their top part they don't use the middle part saw that i don't see a problem with them using where it says san toyota now to put it in that same footage that you've already approved for sign to actually fit in that space so are you stating that the digital area cannot go above 11 feet is that where you're stating so no i'm saying well at sun toyota they're they're 18 height 18 foot high so right in the top four feet five feet they've got the sign there already so the difference of having an led sign there or um this in there i don't see what the difference would be well i mean so so when we were talking to the board at the at the um at the actual board workshop years ago the board gave us the impression that you didn't want to allow these type of signs on things that were already had already been granted additional allowances so that's why we wrote that into the sign but certainly um open to discussion at the board if if you want that to be modified and you'll see that this is an exception we have um very few alternative

standards granted out there for um height i think probably less than 10 that i can think of right now um so okay does anyone in the middle chair i don't get my mic back on no good um i think the intent of this ordinance you know my opinion is to kind of clean up the area a little bit um so we think about you know obviously 19 we'll use 19 since you brought it up as an example let's be honest pretty cluttered right i mean you go up and down 19. not attractive it's kind of cluttered i think it's you might have a better chance of attracting more businesses to take up those empty spaces that take up those dilapidated dilapidated buildings willing to make investments if it starts looking a little bit better i mean it's more difficult for people to want to make an investment in an area that in certain areas it's not everywhere certain areas of 19 that aren't very attractive and that's i it's been one of the reasons why it's difficult the people i've spoken with and you know probably some of the land use attorneys and developers out there you know i see some shaking their heads it's they're not wanting to make the investments along there so i think anything everything we can do to assist in making that more attractive and people you know so people are willing to make those investments you'll be better off in five or 10 or 15 years that's well since you opened that door because i wanted to go a little further and say we need to sunset the old nasty signs um and this happens in many places so uh my ex-husband he was in the sign industry so um a sign only has uh that's why you can't sign so much huh huh that's what you think i just don't like ugly and i am trying so hard to redevelop 19 and it's very hard when it's ugly um and and we've had this monument sign um ordinance for a long time and and we're starting to see some redevelopment but when you have and you have someone who comes in and they put the nice lower sign which is still very big 11 foot high by 22 i mean it's like a school bus the size they could still have um but to me it's just not fair for the

to allow the old ones to stay big and high when everything is coming in nice and new and i i personally think that we should have a sunset they have x amount of time to conform and i'm happy to give them just like we do with the landscaping to give them some incentive money to take out the old signs we could say when the business changes hands the sign has to come down um but we allow the signs to stay up and and that was a that wasn't something i thought we were running into when i helped write this side ordinance 20 something years ago so i i would love to see a sunsetting requirement or something that encourages the ugly i'm sorry the old signs to come down and everyone to be on the same playing field madam chair just to follow up are we able to within our ordinance to use our um tree fund since it's incessantly landscaping we could put no economic development grant in there but they do have to spend a percent a specific amount of percentage improving the property which could include painting the building or would it include this replacing the sign so there still are those exterior upgrades that they can utilize towards utilizing the landscape grant if i if i may um if i can direct your attention it's to page 63 of the strikethrough uh we have created a new section 1203.4 which does address it doesn't it doesn't sunset particularly but it does address that um permanent non-conforming signs and sign structures shall be removed upon the occurrence of certain things if you can't have a new permanent sign while a non-conforming use sign remains on the parcel so that's going to take care of a lot of that you can't convert to digital unless on a parcel while there's a non-conforming sign so those folks who want to convert to digital are going to have to remove their non-conforming sign in order to convert to digital um if more than 50 of the signs the sign area or sign structure is damaged you have to remove the non-conforming sign and then it specifically talks about what the word alter is and then in your section b it also says that from time to time the county may make monies available to assist in the removal of non-conforming signs in the form of a grant or a no to no or low interest loan that's something that you know uh david engel with the office of economic growth helped us um on so that i mean it's it's already kind of like there's a there's a placeholder for that already in the ordinance um to do that type of a thing well it's not the same as sun setting but it still hopefully helps a little

reached out to all the people i asked you too so all the people had concerns over the years putting this together phenomenal i think it's big for the county you're welcome and denise for uh and a shout out to our late friend bill britton oh yeah absolutely okay he read our awareness clauses all right what p 67 68 68 68 was published in the tampa times on june 8 2022. excellent well good afternoon commissioners elizabeth flair senior assistant county attorney county attorney's office um today is the adoption hearing for the ordinance pertaining to the proposed 2025 penny for pasco infrastructure surtax the ordinance provides for the following contains amendments to chapter 102 of the code of ordinances a referendum to be placed on the november 8th 2022 general election ballot it adopts the referendum title language to be placed on the ballot and it generally generally describes how the surtax proceeds will be spent and the title of the ordinance is as follows an ordinance of the board of county commissioners at pasco county florida amending chapter 102 article 5 infrastructure surtax of the pasco county code imposing a local government infrastructure surtax of one cent on certain transactions occurring within pasco county from which taxes are payable to the state of florida under the provisions of chapter 212 florida statutes providing the imposition of the surtax shall not be effective until approved at a referendum election providing that the imposition shall be effective for a period of 15 years beginning january 1st 2025 providing for the distribution among pasco county the municipalities and the pasco school district pursuant to an interlocal agreement providing for a referendum election on the november 8th 2022 providing ballot language providing for the use of surtax proceeds to fund infrastructure improvements providing for severability providing for inclusion in the code and providing an effective date as you were aware there is a resolution that will be setting forth the more specific uses of the 2025 penny proceeds and that'll be brought to the board for adoption in july a draft of those proposed uses is also a part of your memo package before you and there are county staff folks in attendance that are familiar with those more specific proposed uses did you have any questions on those and then later in the summer an interlocal agreement the distribution of the proceeds among all the parties to it as well as that allows the school district to participate in in the surtex proceeds will be brought to you most likely in august after taking public comment the recommendation for the board action is to adopt the ordinance by roll call vote so do you have any questions for me anybody no okay okay we're gonna talk about

projects usually what are we gonna talk about projects or no next time what'd you say mike it's up to the purview of the board but uh we'll we'll be ready to have more specific discussions during the resolution discussion but if you want to have that discussion you can of course we'll wait for the resolution discussion okay and do we have to do a role do we have anyone who wishes to speak i see jennifer if you're in favor of it you know [Laughter] just say you're in facebook all the way here from wesley chapel so you like it hello jennifer cine 25605 apple blossom lane wesley chapel florida 33544 and i'm not giving you any of those other stats that you might be interested in i'm here representing the penny pack your penny pack the people that are working to campaign to pass this renewal of the penny sales tax i can say that i do represent the group when i say the group supports this ordinance as written [Music] and i'm here to tell you that we're doing very well on fundraising for those of you who are at our kickoff meeting last thursday thank you for being there for those that weren't i hope you'll come and meet with us and join us at other things [Music] i wanted to say something about the history of the penny not to reiterate what you've already heard but because some of us were there and this campaign needs a lot of money now this time around not because there's opposition to this penny per se but there are so many new people in pasco county that many many people have not heard about this benny for pasco and they don't understand it so we're going to be doing a very large educational push to get this penny through in 2004 it was very tight and in 2004 one of the things that helped us pass this penny was the fact that the county in particular committed to specific projects that had to do with improving older infrastructure traffic lights intersections old roads and it helped pass the penny and then we got 2012 the renewal in 2012 and we added something new which was the economic development section and all of us supported that too and there have been a lot of good things that have come out of that so here we are now in 2022 and i would like to remind the board that there are still many many things

about our older infrastructure that needs attention and that's what the original intent of this penny was for so with that in mind my personal opinion this is not the penny pack my personal opinion is the county needs to emulate the school district and have a citizen oversight committee that actually looks at the projects that this penny this newer version of the penny is going to cover and gives their input on it so with that i want to say yes i'm 100 for the penny i'm for this ordinance the way it's written and i want to remind you all of what it's supposed to do so thank you for your time thank you okay is there anyone on the line who would like to speak to this no one's online for this item thank you all in favor aye aye roll call again sorry roll call 1 commissioner oakley aye district 2 commissioner moore district 4 commissioner fitzpatrick aye district 5 commissioner mariano hi district 3 chairman starkey hi thank you very much i was at that kickoff last week um p70 69 what p69 oh sorry wow p69 you want to start off with rezoning procedures yes could you please the instructions there are two resulting agendas regular in consent staff will present each application to the board of county commissioners if staff or planning commission has recommended approval and there's no opposition to the application the application will be considered by the board without further presentation if staff or planning commission has recommended denial or if there is opposition to the application the applicant will be given five minutes for a presentation the opposition will be given three minutes for each individual or five minutes for a group representative and the applicant will be given three minutes for rebuttal any individual disagreeing with staff for planning commission recommendation or anyone wishing to object to any condition of the rezoning may at this time request the petition to be pulled from the consent agenda in which case that application will be heard under the regular agenda later on during the meeting otherwise all rezoning applications on the consent agenda will be approved by a single motion and vote if you wish to speak to any petition please give your name and address and whether or not you've been sworn for the record these are quasi-judicial public hearings the law in florida is that mere public support or opposition of an application is insufficient for this board to take action please limit your comments to those criteria found within the board's land development code okay

madam clerk would you like to swear them in i certainly can if you're here to speak on any of the remaining items on public hearings please stand and raise your right hand and if you're online there's no one else online no one online today okay well for these items okay all right do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth so help you god thank you all right item peace publication yes um we have 11 public hearing items on the consent agenda and we're going to start with p69 right as a continuance item p69 is published in the tampa times on may 4th 2022. p69 is pd227585 equal to industrial ecm ud um as the chairs stated this item was published as a continuance for to the august 9th 2022 florida county commissioners meeting at 1 30 in dade city um all in favor aye aye aye madam chair is it okay if we move to p76 sure thank you item p76 was published in tempe times on may 4th 2022. mp76 is pdd22cu14 it's conditional use in the name of duke energy florida inc for 315 foot above ground level self-supported wireless communications facility in an ac agricultural district there was an issue with the the newspaper notice on this item so the planning and development department is asking for a continuance to the july 12 2022 florida county commissioners meeting at 1 30 in date city i realize that that's not the way that it was advertised for today so if you would please take public comment but that's the request for continuance so i have a question um when we say um lattice yeah so it's not a poll it's not a poll and why why can't it be a pole so um as you're probably going to see in the near future when it's that tall you're not going to see a pool it's 315 feet it's actually 3 300 with a 15-foot lightning rod so at that height you chances are you're either going to see lattice or you're going to see um guide guide wires oh okay is this is this some special communication this is for duke energy specifically however it's also going to have co-location opportunities so it's at the duke energy compound but we don't when did we start allowing 315 foot cell towers um well we're kind of losing our the fact that we've got people from duke who want to talk about this on the 12th but we do have a um our consultant has stated that it is there is need for it and they will have their consultants who will speak to that as well okay i would like to get a meeting on it

um i worked hard on that cell tower ordinance with barbara and other people back in the day and i've never i mean there's a possibility actually i mean i'm going to talk about it now but there's a possibility that the cell tower ordinance will have to be changed because the the things that you're seeing out there now the actual um encapsulated the unipoles they can't support the the size of the equipment anymore it's a it's sadly i mean it's it's a fact but it's true okay well i look forward to getting educated okay so you need a motion to continue but we're seeing if anyone else wants to speak to this first i have no one signed up and no one's on webex for this item okay motion to continue to date certain second okay all in favor aye aye opposed thank you okay so we're over to p70 item p70 was published in tempe times on april 20th 2022. p70 spdd 227565 it's fair flop mpud master plan unit development fair cloth parker llc and others it's a rezoning request from an ac agricultural district to an mpud master plan unit development district to allow the development of a maximum of 380 single-family detached and attached residential units on approximately 187.5 acres there is a modification that was provided to the board and to the clerk's office adding uh we conditions of approval number 18 and number 21 were inadvertently missed and they have to do with access management uh this item comes through with a recommendation of approval with conditions as included in your agenda packet with the modification uh from the planning and development department in the planning commission okay um board members any questions this is on the consent um any does it wait does anyone here in the public or online wish to speak about p70 i have no one registered online for this item and no one has signed up for this thing no one will leave it on consent p71 item p71 was published in tampa times on april 20th 2022. item p71 is pdu 227592 as a matter of a housekeeping item there were ex parte communication forms with expertise communications with all the commissioners and those were submitted to the court's office earlier this morning um it is for hillcrest mpud master plan unit development mmlj holdings llc and christina h.d lorenzo is for a rezoning from an ac agricultural district and an mpud master plan unit development district to an mpud master plan unit development district to allow for the development of a maximum of 1800 single family detached dwelling units 600 single-family

townhomes 450 000 square feet of retail and 200 000 square feet of light industrial office on approximately 740.2 acres comes here with a recommendation of approval with conditions as including your agenda packet from the planning and development department and the planning commission okay our board members any questions would anyone in the public like to comment on p71 i have no one signed up for p71 and no one on zone webex please keep it on consent p72 item p72 was published in tempe times on may 4th 2022. p72 is pdd227595 again by way of housekeeping there's ex parte communications with each and every single commissioner and those were provided to the clerk's office this morning this is a zoning amendment pulte zona law mpd master plan unit development zona lee law inc it's a rezoning from ar agricultural residential to an mpud to allow for maximum of 130 single-family detached dwellings and associated infrastructure on approximately 79.65 acres this comes to a recommendation of approval with conditions as including your agenda packet from the planning and development department and the planning commission and there was a modification to the agenda memo the only thing that was changed is just the recommended board action uh by mistake the board act the action to the planning commission was included instead of the board action okay and that was corrected okay um any questions is there anyone here in opposition to p72 i have no one signed up for p72 and no one is on webex for p72 all right we'll keep it on consent p73 item p 73 was published in tempe times on may 4th 2022 p73 is pd 22 7610 zoning amendment in the name of geiger ranch llc is for a change in zoning from an mpud master plan unit development district which was formerly known as saran ranch mpud to an ar agricultural residential district and it's just on a portion of it it's 9.61 acres uh this item comes to you with a recommendation of approval from the planning and development department and the planning commission okay uh board members any questions [Music] is there anyone in opposition to this that would wish to speak i have no one signed up for this item and there's no one on webex all right we will keep it on consent p74 item p74 was published in the template times on may 4th 2022. that's pdd227618 another housekeeping item there are ex-parte communications with each commissioner and those were submitted to the clerk's office earlier this morning this is a zoning amendment in the name of i-75 logistics center mpud master plan unit development formerly known as pasco commerce center mpod gc pasco owner llc and john lewis grosenbacher trust it's a substantial modification to allow the inclusion of approximately 56.17 additional acres and an increase

in the maximum industrial entitlements to 1.9 million square feet on approximately 224.57 acres comes through with a recommendation of approval with conditions as included in your agenda packet from the planning and development department and the planning commission okay any questions board members anyone here to speak in opposition to this i have no one signed up and no one on webex for this item okay rolling along p 76 right uh 70 75 75 75 yep item p 75 was published in tempe times on may 4th 2022. p75 is pdd 22 76 20 this is just picking up the rest of the um area that had not been picked up with the prior rezoning it's under one leguchi center inc wrec property edc project for a change in zoning from an r4 high density residential district to an i1 light industrial park district comes with a recommendation of approval from the planning and development department and the planning commission okay any questions are you coming up to speak to us okay no he's got the next item oh yeah the next one okay there it is do you have a question uh is there anyone uh who wishes to speak against p75 i have no one signed up before p75 and no one's on webex for this item and if you look at the map you can see the trail there you go no yes it's there um okay keep it on consent next one piece 76 77. oh 77 i'm so messed up sorry item p 77 was published in the tampa times on may 25th 2022. all right justin graham director public infrastructure fiscal and business administration p-77 is a resolution by the board of county commissioners pasco county florida authorizing upgrade to the street lighting improvements and an assessment rate increase for the lake talia's service area in accordance with pasco county code of ordinance chapter 24 article 2 sections 94-46 okay does anyone board members do you have any questions on this one okay uh is there anyone here who wishes to speak in opposition to this i have no one signed up and no one's on webex for this item all right we will keep it on consent moving on do you have the next one okay good okay item p78 was published in tempe times on may 25th 2022. p78 is a resolution by the board of county commissioners of pasco county florida authorizing an upgrade to the street lighting improvements and an assessment rate increase for the lone star light service area in accordance with pasco county code of ordinances chapter 94 article 2 section 94 through 46 through 94-56 recommendation of approval

is there anyone here who wishes to speak against this i have no one signed up for this item and no one's on webex either we'll keep it on consent next b-79 item p-79 was published in the tempe times on may 25th 2022. p-79 is a resolution by the board of county commissioners of pascal county florida designating that the area commonly known as cyprus preserve faces 3a and 4a and phase 4b as a streetlight surface area and consolidating cypress preserve phases 3a and 4a and 4 phase 4b into the existing cypress preserve streetlight service area for streetlight improvements and to levy assessments against the property benefited by the streetlighting improvements in accordance with the pasco county code of ordinances chapter 94 article 3 sections 94-46 394-56 thank you anyone out wishing to speak against this item i have no one signed up for this item and no one's on webex either keep p 79 on the consent and lastly p 80. item p80 was published in tampa times on may 25th 2022 item p80 is a resolution by the board of county commissioners of pasco county florida designating that the area commonly known to as bexley south 4-4 and north 3-1 faces a and b as a streetlight service area and consolidating bexley south 4-4 and north 3-1 faces a and b into the existing bexley south street light service area for street light improvements and to levy assessments against the property benefited by the street lighting improvements in accordance with pasco county code of ordinances chapter 94 article 3 sections 94-46-94-56 recommendation of approval anyone to speak against this i have no one signed up and no one on webex all right we're going to keep it on the consent i have p71 p 70 71 72 73 74 75 which one did we continue 76 77 78 79 and 80 on the consent i don't know i have a question on the street lights i mean is there a better way to do this can it be done at some other process in the development process then to come back up and do them later yeah so what if i'm understanding your your question directly so what happens is you have two two different things right you can have residents that will come and ask for additions or modifications and we will go do that we'll audit their districts at the same time if it requires a rate increase we'll come back at the same time you also have developments that are coming online that have existing street light services areas so the developers will come and ask us hey we don't want to administrate the district on our own we like the county to handle that and so they go through our petition process which we

formalized here in the last year to only do during the springtime so whereas before if you remember kind of a couple years ago we would come ad hoc throughout the spring and do a number of these different districts we try and do them all at once depending on which side of the county so we've kind of limited it now through the petition process that runs from january through april to where we bring these to you in two separate meetings one east side one on the west side so i'm kind of thinking of how we eliminated the um the liquor the conditional uses for um liquor to administrate it no we can't because it's a tax levy if you're you're creating a municipal service benefit unit to pay for these strategies i've never seen anyone say no so just just trying to save everyone time and save the public time we're required anytime we modify existing districts to add additional benefiting areas so i.e different people will get that on their tax bill we have to come back to the board if you have an increase in the district rate we have to come back to the board okay we do however do a number of audits and things like that where you'll reduce rates those do not have to come back to the board we take those as regular consent items okay they don't require public hearing or public notice okay that way if yeah and i see ainsley moving over years ago we had um some people in uh commissioner oakley's district in lucocci that came out and spoke that's right that one was for that yeah they worried about them yeah yeah they didn't want to pay for it yeah okay thank you oops thank you thank you p um 80 one item p81 was published in tempe times on april 6 2022. liam devine planning development item p81 sorry pdd22 pdd22-7609 in the name of dnd llc it is a zoning amendment from r4 high density residential district to mf1 multifamily medium density district the subject site is located on the west side of hicks road approximately a quarter mile south of new york avenue and this is a look at the aerial view the surrounding future land use to the north south east and west is all res 6. the surrounding zoning to the north east and south is all ar and to the west is pud the highland ridge subdivision the subject site is currently undeveloped on approximately 14.03 acres the applicant is proposing to develop the property with 84 townhomes in conformance with the mf1 multi-family medium density district standards the applicant has volunteered to record a deed restriction for the property as included in your agenda packet access to the property is from hicks road and county maintain collector road with approximately 50 feet of right-of-way that varies and the subject

the subject site has a future land use classification of red 6 under the comprehensive plan this is coming with a recommendation for approval from planning commission and planning and development department i'm here if you have any questions i'm sure yeah um question how many wetlands are on the site there is you know what i will have to double check for you i believe there is a wetland i think it's a category three but i can i can verify that for you all right and um from the from the map that was on the drone from earlier drawings i guess it shows it's on the west side of the property in the center part i'm sorry can you repeat that again the the map showed um can you give me a note you want to pull it up yes i don't we if you're talking about the wetlands on the map we'll have to pull up pasco mapper and we can pull that up and you can look at the wetlands all right if someone can do that while you while we keep talking or yep okay um next question we get a five-foot sidewalk i had talked i met with the applicant we talked about putting a trail running down to the south now uh there may there may be some restrictions from how much room is there but i'd like to see a wider than five foot sidewalk i mean the part of this development is a lot of a lot of intensity which we'll talk about in a minute too to go all the way down there i want to make it easy for the families to be able to just go right down to veterans park right down the hill and they're willing to go work if we give them uh mobility fee credits which is good to make that connection happen because otherwise it wouldn't happen have you looked at that because i don't see anything here other than the five foot sidewalk so if you actually look into this deed restrictions and i'm sure i can let the applicants speak to that in that deed restriction they're agreeing to commit to a d.a that would include that five foot wide sidewalk along the eastern portion of the property um and they would get mobility fee credits for that that's included in that deep restriction in your package right but i didn't want to do just a five foot sidewalk because it made wider i don't like to make it make it wider so that that's a voluntary deed restriction so you would have to speak um with the applicant to see if they are agreeing to go wider than that okay all right if you would pull up let's pull up the wetlands so okay so it just shows it's that upland drive that is correct okay the the other map but i saw it shows more like it's on the other end of the property too but

it doesn't seem to show it here i'm not sure what other map you're referring to i'll tell you in a second senator exhibit a legal description are you seeing my text yeah i'm not there it's got a circle there i'm not sure why this circle was drawn i guess not fine let me try to zoom in um okay i'll refer to the applicant on what the circle is for for their exhibit a that would be their survey they submitted for the property that could be maybe a proposed water retention pond area i'm not quite sure off the top of my head all right it says approximate limits of flood zones zone a and it's kind of like if you look at where i guess the lower edge or center edge there's looks like there's something different than the rest of the terrain on the left side portion of the screen that's up there kind of with us with the numbers in nine seven eleven to nine seven three five on the side there that could be elevations on that exhibit a i don't have that in front of me so i don't know for sure so i'll defer to the applicant to answer exactly what's on their survey okay because i'm just wondering can you be kind of have we looked at that whether it can be built on that or not because it's like i said it says approximate maps of flood zones what i can tell you is the property does have two different flood zones on it there is a a and x on it um so that could be the lower lying area of flood zone a and they both both say flood zone a on both pieces around it all right when we left the applicant talking if you would go take a look at the map yeah on screen well there it is here here it is so look at so look at the left side of the screen yep so i can confirm that's just showing the difference between the flood zones so that circular part that you're seeing that's the lower lying flood zone a okay all right did any conversation come up about upland drive where the wetland shows it's coming across that or is that any part of any conversation no they're not proposing any access to the upland drive only x-rays does staff think we should set access there or just the middle of the property i would defer to our our access team stacey burgess i believe she may be online she can um refer to that she's the one who who looked at the timing and facing and substandard okay barbara will high 63 27 grand boulevard newport richie florida for the applicant with regard to the sidewalk it's an off-site improvement down to the park

it's proposed at five feet the um the bike pad fees or your mobility fee will generate 13 608 dollars that improvement that my clients agree to at five feet is a thirty to forty thousand dollar improvement so we're already upside down which means my clients putting more into the off-site improvement voluntarily than they'll be able to get back in mobility fee credits so to do anything more we're really getting to the point of it being pretty difficult for a small project to do that if there's some way to get mobility credits against something other than the bike pad portion if it's roadway proportion because maybe it's safety or something then we would have a larger budget to work with but right now they're already fronting paying for this off-site improvement other than thirteen thousand six hundred and eight dollars of it well we're looking for a significant amount of people go on a small piece of property um and there's a park right down the street that people are gonna go to so i thought we had conversation with pretty well agreed whatever credit you could get you'd get but if not we'd still get the road done or the path down as wide as we could um let me assist when we talk did we talk about doing less units in 84 no no you were fine with 84. didn't didn't you tell me that they had plans before that we didn't think was getting more than the 50s so right now it was a while ago they have r4 zoning which allows a maximum number of units to just shuffle my paperwork here um 84 units under the current zoning and it's got a special exception for duplexes which allows 42 duplexes and or 84 units so keep the density the same what was the plan that we talked about i thought you showed me that there was a plan that was less density i thought the engineer's got all those details they're gonna have we have to get him up here i don't burma i don't know hey good afternoon jesse blackstock for the record for uh 1646 west snow avenue tampa florida and you've been sworn i have yes thank you the question regarding the number of units in terms of what can be achieved on the site with taking into account weapons what i'm asking is when we had our conversation we talked about i thought 84 was a high number and then you said i thought it was you it was someone else in the room with three or three of us

that the plans that were already in place were actually from design from 20 years ago whatever correct was more like 50 units yeah correct there was actually 48 to be exact yeah the number of units previously was 48 and it was not a townhome product it was single-family homes but they were narrower units they were probably 30 to 40 foot wide right so when you introduce the fact that we're doing townhomes we may be able to get more than 48 on the property but still got to take into account the wetlands in the floodplain and the stormwater and all that so one of the things i'd point out is the challenge for the eight foot path is the red is what's showing wetlands but when you look at the national wetlands inventory of wetlands obviously have to be flagged but the area that's around that uh s-shaped or kidney bean shaped uh like a better word closed basin sinkhole around that you're going to have a bigger buffer a bigger wetland so it's going to be an impact as it is probably even with a five foot sidewalk so the eight foot it's substantial when you look at the map it doesn't look that way on the pasco mappers website but on the national one there is one we also have a wetland to our western edge where that floodplain is showing we had uh merriman environmental go out and flag that wetland it's just not formalized yet with money with the county but obviously once we get past this point it would be so there's areas we have to stay out of to the west of us it kind of links up with the wetlands to the south of the existing single family to our west okay so looking at the map to the right we'll talk this to the trail first your first section of your property you can do how much how much you probably do as far as a width of a trail on your property on our property i mean per cow we're doing the five foot sidewalk but if we have to do the trail it would be obviously bigger it probably be eight foot i would imagine multiple units i mean we're having a dedicated right of way there i'd be comfortable they so for you to go for your property down to the next section down looks okay when it gets to that sinkhole area maybe you could put just some elevated type of thing kind of like we do on state road 54 or holiday we have to put a wooden bridge going across it to kind of get it so you have the impact whatever one way or the other rather than filling it in to which i don't think it could be yeah that's what i'm getting at yeah i mean it's so i don't mind i don't mind if it shrinks at that point there but for the rest of it it should be should be wide enough for a trail except for around that area yeah i don't know the right of way with but yeah for us we're having a dedicated right away it's a little tougher as you can see i don't know without a survey it's

hard to know so the condition says subject to permitting so or the deed restriction you know so did we answer your question about the density uh you did um and again so when we talked you didn't think you were probably going to get the density that we were going for but in the item it says not only do you want the 84 but if it allows you to get more you want to put more units in that no no it's 84. just reading the reading the script had a deed restriction on it and it's 84. it's very clearly 84 which is the red 6 density the maximum density under res 6. it's the maximum density today under r4 you got to remember it's resix it's on a vision road it's on a road where you're going to put future transit i usually don't see that very often when i look at the long range transportation plan it's kind of unusual to see where you're going to do future bus service so pretty important road makes sense to have density on it your land use plan says to put density on it your schools are under capacity in that area your road is standard and so you know with those things those are the reasons why the townhomes make sense townhomes are they're fee simple so people are homes that people can buy which we need more of they're maintained commonly maintained by hoa so all of those things lead towards it being that being the right you know density number to allow for a townhome project and the it's just a matter of the money on for that sidewalk unfortunately our we only generate 13 000 work worth of mobility fees uh 13 000 and change so we're already paying like three times that they're going to pay out of their pocket um to put that off-site sidewalk in so i'm open to solutions if anybody has a solution on how we can get more credits yeah so let me go to that would be the that would be the solution i mean absolutely happy to do it so again i was expecting to come with a lower density number section 2a in the uh applicant it says the applicant has volunteered to record a deed restriction to the property for the following restrictions there should be a maximum of 284 townhomes in the property unless otherwise approved by the county through a subsequent rezoning of the property right so if we came back and changed the land use in the future and wanted to change the state restriction it's saying that you can change the deed restriction by going back through the process so it's just it's the way the deed

restrictions that's a standard way our dude restrictions um are written [Applause] not that any of those things are going to occur but okay um commissioner i'm sorry to step out my assistant had to leave um okay why is there not a tree in front of every town house there is okay what so what am i reading here that it says a uh wait i just saw it a minimum of two lotteries shall be placed in front of each four unit so that would be a minimum of four trees in a four unit so this is your policy i just did we not update that yet or is this something i need to do here today this is how town homes are written didn't we update the town homes you may want to read the beginning paragraph each lot shall be required to have one lot tree per lot with the following additional planting requirements which is a one lottery per lot with the additional requirements well what are you calling a lot can one lot have four home units on it well this is going to be or is it fee simple ownership so this shows that there's going to be three sizes in a four town homes huh it says that there's going to be three trees in front of a four unit why aren't there four trees in front of a four unit that's what i'm asking and here i'm reading two trees in front of four units am i reading that wrong in ci right above it whoa i'm in c a well i says you have one uni one tree and then underneath of it it says two more trees for the four and then it says three more trees for the five so you do i get the minimum one plus i'm not sure it's reading that way that's what it says but what what is that who's who worked on this my which planner worked on this so i can understand it's shorting the truth is so it's one house per lot because this doesn't make sense to me you say each lot will have a tree and then you can have town houses so is it one it's confusing to me sorry i'm sorry i was stepping away to be able to pull up the deed restrictions online which section are you talking about yourself i'm at the ci c it says in the in the event the property is subdivided and developed to create townhouses or duplexes on individual lots um so if you have i mean so i'm assuming one town house you're not gonna put one town house on one lot

that's where i'm confused sorry but maybe you are i don't know maybe yeah brad get up there and help help me help me i'm sorry yes few simple town homes are subdivided into individual lots if you have four units that are attached it will have lot lines it will have four lots okay all right so each lot will have one tree and an additional two for every four even if they're not on the same for every four lots you have to add another two is that what you're saying that i'm still it still doesn't make sense that was that was the intent this is the language that was approved that was carried over this is what we've been using um so it is it is no different okay so it's the first time we're saying this language then because no barber you see this no commissioners this is copy and paste from your policy yeah okay um so it's one plus additional one plus every other it's weird i'm sorry so i hate to venture into this but you're you've got an mf1 multi-family zoning district in theory if the applicant hadn't restricted it in her deed restriction to townhomes it could be a multi-family project i think that's some of what's what you're getting confused about but they they have said they're going to do 84 townhomes to do townhomes that way you're going to have to have if if they're going to be be simple they're going to have to subdivide it they're gonna be lots you're gonna get a treat on each other okay that's all i care about okay and commissioner yeah that language i'm looking at the deed restriction itself shows there should be a maximum 84 dwelling units on the property unless otherwise approved by the county that is pretty vague so we'll take out unless otherwise approved by the county because it says above it under 1.1 it says here's the deed restriction unless it goes back to a rezoning process so i get i see your concern so we can take that language out all right well if we can do that and then we can put in eight foot wide trail except for that one sinkhole there you can get onto a five foot path at that area i'm going to be okay with it are you okay with that let me just ask my client back here

okay all right i'll make a motion for approval remember we didn't hear public comment yet oh i'm sorry i don't know if there is or isn't it is there anybody online or anything but they're all free simple i'm sure do you wanna know about that so is there anyone here wishing to um speak to this i have no one signed up for public comment and no one is on webex for this item okay all right madam chair yes so i'd like to say i'm very happy to see it is fee simple though i think it's great for our people to be able to own the property and especially in this area here i'm going to make emotional approval with the conditions as the applicants agreed to have a eight foot wide trail running to the south to veterans park with the exception of where there's a sinkhole out there where it could be a five foot bridge or sidewalk along that way and with the limit of the 80 foot 84 town homes second all in favor aye aye aye opposed okay thank you dan thank you and p82 item p82 was published in the tampei times on may 4th 2022. uh good afternoon commissioners in the call of public works and this is pw220 this is the pivas known at valaram assessments the west side of the county only and there are four pavement assessment assessment projects excuse me there are nine streets 2.08 miles 191 assessment notification letters were mailed out we had no objection in terms of what will be going on they on the tax roll this year both east and west side there are 12 pavement assessment projects 32 streets six point four six miles and um just point one point one six million dollars in terms of total assessments and in terms of on the tax bill it's just over a hundred and forty seven thousand um there were 636 silver assessment notification that's for both the east and the west side and we got five written objections which we um responded to um staff has recommended approval um is there anyone here that wishes to speak to the pvaas projects i have no one signed up and no one's on webex item we're done with the regular right i had one thing i was going to bring up yeah and i have a quest for brad did he leave he's standing there in the back okay brad go ahead come mister okay um we looked a little while ago at denton avenue and hicks road we talk about a possible industrial park coming up and the county has property beside it um some of the county-owned properties

uh they actually are doing reclaimed water facilities spray fields as well as other utility parts um and i'd like us to go and combine and change let's say all the the lands for the the county has from public to semi public and res 3 to put everything into industrial and to be a center part of it if we put in for heavy industrial it won't affect anything around it but it provides a better potential so much as we talked about before right when we did the central paschal employment village to like try to encourage industrial products et cetera and the data we saw with how much of a benefit is to have industrial land in the county and how much there was a need for the hudson area to have an industrial park i'd like to have the county do a board initiate county initiated comprehensive plan amendment along the denton area the kind of detail in the email that terry said sent to us now i'm sure that we need to get into a public hearing do you have to do a public hearing for that well i think he's trying the commissioner wishes you to do a county initiated which then means it has to go through that to go through the process yeah all in favor all right we're doing a county initiated planning exercise at gun in 54 um so that it doesn't get yeah chewed up and [Music] gets planned well um so brad i had a question for you and i i'm sorry you may not maybe for terry i'm not sure but this is the first time i've read i had a project like this that i've read and i'm looking at the um town homes and it says that a lot trees within a town home or duplex block may be a shade tree an understory tree or a palm tree um so it can't be queen palms or crepe myrtles but we can put like a lagustum tree or i mean like a why are we allowing under uh understory trees i guess that's my question uh it's essentially the same issue that we've come up with when you come to a town home property you have a number of areas that are uh driveway spaces that obviously you don't plant on and then other spaces that are related to utility lines service lines soft utilities hearty tillies everything else going to those units and working through those units and that creates some issues for roots and other things so there are going to be situations where you will need some other form of tree or some other form of landscaping in certain areas well should we i mean but this lets everybody who may not have those situations get away with just putting a little bush and and no trees i mean because a gustom tree can be five feet six feet high or

something and um and on the palm tree do we it's not three to one it's just one so we can do you want to talk about going back and looking at this some more and seeing i think we're going to get abused that's all if we're not more specific we did talk in another situation on a on a different section of code about having a height minimum yes we could potentially maybe consider something like that adding some language to this and doing a slight modification of this uh but you know it would be whatever ends up in code uh can be addressed through an alt standard uh to deal with that so if we are too restrictive and and something that the projects can't do they would need to be doing an alternative standard to request deviation we are actually trying to avoid that because of the the work for something that we generally need to allow anyway um so it was kind of uh six and one half dozen the other which direction we went well if we put a height a height you know if we say it has to be at least this high then we avoid what happened in your dis who's got union park i mean i'm happy to put the picture back up if you want to see i've been out there many times yeah so um we just need to not let that happen anymore so whatever it is certainly go back and look at that and you could maybe adding a height minimum to those plantings and is it one palm tree or uh i believe it is it does say one right but it's a particular types but we do have we call out the types i mean it's not going to be a pikmi date palm yes okay all right i just that concerned me because we we may not do what we tried to do in that language so okay we have something very important to talk about we have ralph's memo here and ralph so good afternoon commissioners um as i brought to your attention and i also sent you all an email as a follow-up to our discussions um the 2022 legislative session the florida house included a budget item that passed which set up a funding source for local support grants it was capped at 175 million dollars and last monday they opened up the grant process allowing the house members to submit projects it's similar to legislative budget requests that are done during a normal rate uh during the regular session this is a one-time only it's never been done before once it's span it's spent these are for non-recurring projects not much direction was given on how the

projects what should be considered the decision will be made up to the appropriations staff and to the legislative budget commission which is made up of six members of the house six members of the senate and they are the call of the president and the speaker uh to meet whenever um i did have some direction given to me from from members uh suggesting we do not go after any veto projects and because the amount is 175 million dollars total and it's open to all local governments that's county city schools education entities privately uh operated programs uh to support local initiatives to limit the amount of the projects to around 2 million or less there may be projects that exceed that but the discretion on these projects are really up to the to the leadership uh in the end um end of the day the governor has no say on these projects uh cannot weigh in on them he's already approved the budget and it was included in there that being said i did reach out to the departments and and get suggestions for projects um within the county and i submitted that list to you there are several dredge projects a a bridge project animal services had a project for their veterinary services two park projects and a florida sports coast project on there and so what my goal is since the representatives have a date of july 15th is to get the uh project to our sponsor um as we move forward so they can get these in in a timely fashion the staff will review it and then they'll report back to the local entity to let them know if it was approved and then we have to submit additional forms that they have to get in by august 10th i then see the legislative budget commission being called and then disbursing the funds at that time probably before the end of the year i'm sure yep just a regular right um your two projects let's try to keep them in our two million so we have a chance to get them yeah and at the most two projects don't want to exceed exceed that since i'm still talking i'll give you two it's i know listen i'm going to the list no these are in my area um i'd say robert strickland seawall beat sand 1.8 and anclip river additional boat ramps parking 1.8 that good for everybody yeah i did want to talk bmx but i think it might be i know we could ask for less but okay i'm just happy that people thought enough of the bmx that that that's going to be huge for the county when we get to pull back we'll be able to get them so

they get up okay so you know so let me give us this opportunity to say so would could be can we call the vote real quick go right ahead please no we're in discussion well no he's going to say something else i can go after that go ahead okay all in favor aye opposed okay now you can speak [Laughter] are you happy you're happy aren't you very happy i know you are but let me just take this as an opportunity so after the elections in november they'll start committing week in in december they're going to go ahead and start opening up for next year's budget so we really need for you all to reach out to the departments and start working about projects within your district so we can move forward and in a timely fashion and have our projects so we can start working them so i always say that every year so session starts march 7th so we really want to be prepared way before the end of the year on what projects we're going to submit for next year's budget thank you there's there's some good things on that list right there yeah okay um did we have anything else okay we're done good job [Music]

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