05.17.2022 Pasco Board of County Commissioners Meeting (Afternoon Session)

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god come back after the public period okay all right good afternoon and we are going to adjourn the afternoon session um we're going to take things a little out of order the what i mean commence sorry not feeling well we're done it would be better for me if we went ahead and come adjourned but um so we're going to take up the first item this afternoon but we do have some items that didn't finish this morning and we have some bond council here so after we finish this first public hearing or whatever um then we may switch to the um the rs from this morning with that um let's go to the first one um p64 coordinates item piece 64 was published in the tambay times on january 20 on january 5th 2022. okay good morning good afternoon madam chair commissioners denise hernandez p64 is pd220020 and this was actually advertised as a continuance it's a continuance request to august 9 2022 bcc meeting at 1 30 in date city second book just fell apart all in favor aye okay um now we will go to p65 also a continuance item p65 was published on campaign times on february 2nd 2022 p65 is pd220068 this item was also as a continuance it did say to a date certain um and i have the date certain for you it's to august 9th 2022 at 1 30 in dade city would you second all in favor aye aye opposed all right p 66 item p 66 was published in the tampa times on april 6 2022. all right on p66 that's pdd220 this is the first hearing first reading on this item the adoption is scheduled for uh june 22nd june 7th of 22 sorry at 1 30 in dave city um if this looks familiar to you it's because the board directed staff to bring forward an amendment to the land development code for residential height increase from 35 feet to 45 feet and that was directed by the board on july 6 21 so i'll read the item the ordinance title and then if you would please take uh public comment and again there's no action required today as this is just your first reading it's an ordinance by the pasco county board of county commissioners amending the pasco county land development code chapter 500 zoning section 509 er state residential district section 510 er2 estate residential district section 512 r1mh single family mobile home district section 514 r1 rural density residential district section 515 r2 low density residential districts section 516 r3 medium density residential district

section 517 r4 high density residential district and other sections as necessary for internal consistency providing for applicability repealer providing for severability inclusion into land development code and an effective date this was presented to the local planning agency on april 21st 2022 who found it consistent with the comprehensive plan and recommended approval to the board of county commissioners okay well i'm glad we're doing this does anyone else have any questions i'm delighted to see you come forward yeah okay so then this is no action it is a public hearing oh would anyone else like to comment on this there is no one signed up on piece 66 and no one's on webex okay thank you we'll move on to p67 item p67 was published in tampa times on april 6 2022. p67 is pdd220317 today we're asking that you take public comment and you adopt the item by rule call vote this was presented to the local planning agency on april 21st 2022 who found it consistent with a comprehensive plan and recommended approval to the board of county commissioners it's an ordinance amending the pasco county comprehensive plan providing for a small scale comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use map map 2-15 and sheet 3 changing from res 6 residential six dwelling units per gross acres through res 24 residential 24 dwelling units per gross acre on approximately 2.53 acres of real property located on the northeast corner of dallas drive and lake shore boulevard west of 5a road providing for repealer severality and an effective date okay does the applicant want to speak on this no to the board anybody have any questions public hearing all right so this is a public hearing does anyone here wish to speak on this item or online there is no one signed up for this item and no one on webex for this item okay i don't have my notes here's this is not on consent right these are all ordinances okay so i'll take a motion yeah madam chair so denise we talked about this briefly about it um this is one that's been trying to come in for a long time to do affordable housing in the area we're going to look at the road situation between jacques and lake shore drive to make sure that road comes up to standards even we've got to take it over as a public road afterward okay we will be doing that you may have the applicant todd pressman on the on webex i do want to say that there is a company there is a rezoning that has come in uh for this item that will be going to the planning commission on the board very soon and that there will be a um voluntarily agreed upon deed restriction that this is going to be indeed for um affordable housing so and we will certainly look at those

items as well during that review move approval second all in favor aye aye roll call vote oh sorry ordinance district one commissioner oakley district two commissioner moore district four commissioner fitzpatrick aye district five commissioner mariano aye district three chairman starkey aye all right um i just want to check and see if the council is in here yet bob we were waiting for bob bob's here okay let's get those done and then we'll we'll come back and my staff brought my book back but they took all the r's out so so you'll have to help me you have you have four as bob's coming up you've got four resolutions um that are um related to bond or financing deals and bob they're generally on your regular agenda if you have questions or for transparency purposes um these but bob can go through the what 60 actually is okay or 60. i don't know if mr steinsnider mentioned or not but vera karova guerova is here she is from brian miller olive who is the county's bond council as well as a representative from raymond james if there are any questions there are four of us here that will be able to help you out so r60 is a amendment to the original master resolution of 2013 and this provides the authority to pursue the next three items so this item must be approved first and the it allows us to pledge half cent sales tax revenue for the three upcoming uh debt service actions that you have before you move forward we recommend for approval second any discussion all in favor aye opposed okay part 61 is a refunding of a six million dollar half cent sales tax loan uh the current loan is at a five percent interest rate we can take care of the take advantage of the interest rates to get the current interest rate of 2.52 that would save us approximately 650 000 over the term of the loan the term of the loan was the original loan was to go through 2028 we have not extended the loan so we are hoping to save up to 650 thousand dollars with this refunding thanks thank you thank you take a second all in favor aye aye opposed r-62 likewise is similar to r-61 it's a refunding of a half-cent sales tax revenue bond uh the current interest rate is five percent the refunded rate is two point

six nine percent for a savings of one point one million dollars between now and third twenty thirty four just like to add to the recommended board action it was our intention to include approval of budget amendment 1976 on to this but that was excluded so i would like you to consider that action when you consider the the full board action is that your mission uh yes move for approval and that's your second okay all in favor aye aye thank you and finally our 63 is a half cent sales tax loan this is new money of 41 million dollars uh borrowed to overcome the high inflation this money will be used to finish the uh the expansion of the detention center with that i'd like to move for approval second with discussion discussion um dan as we talked about like cares money to help with the jail too are we looking at the possibility of using that money as well not opioid settlement money i'm sorry i haven't looked at that yet because that's still you know working its way through the system but between you know the original general obligation bond the money we set aside from the revenue replacement under our arp and this it covers what we think we need at this point for the jail expansion again this market's pretty crazy the sooner we get this thing started the better so okay are we done get him called up i've got to call it oh yeah all in favor aye opposed okay thank you thank you madam chair just as he's walking away great job to you and your team and the bob council because you just saved the taxpayers close to 1.9 million thanks for saving us money we're going to spend it right away on the jail expansion okay we are on to is that um 68 yes 68. item p68 was published in the tampa bay times on april 6 2022 good afternoon doreen roy with planning development item p 2068 has had a minor adjustment to the memorandum and you have a copy of that it has been submitted with the clerk for record item pdd 220321 small-scale comprehensive plan amendment c-pass 2208 dempsey and daughters an ordinance amending the pasco county comprehensive plan providing for a small scale comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use map map 2-15 and sheet 22 from res 6 residential to calm commercial on approximately 1.92 acres of real property located at the northeast corner of the intersection of sr 54 and tupper road and providing for additional text

amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for repealer severability and an effective date the property is located in the south market area urban service area the proposal is to amend the future land use flu maps 2-15 and sheet 22 from res 6 to calm commercial at the northeast corner of the intersection of sr 54 and tupper road 1.92 acres zoning is r2 low density residential district and c2 general commercial district the following policies are consistent with the proposed comprehensive plan amendment policy flu 1-6.3 transitional land uses 1.6.4 neighborhood commercial uses and 8.1.2 south market area establishment this is the aerial location northeast corner 54 and tupper road existing flu res 6. proposed flu is commercial existing zoning districts euclidean r2 and c2 staff recommends the board of county commissioners find the proposed amendment consistent with the comprehensive plan and adopt by roll call vote okay does the applicant work to speak good afternoon barbara wilhite 6327 grand boulevard newport richie florida for the applicant which is the dempsey family we appreciate staff and working with us to find a solution to this problem that was created when i was in college in 1989 when you adopted your comp plan you created a problem for their property because you created a conflict zoning you made it a residential land use with a commercial zoning on it state law required you within one year to resolve those conflict zonings and the county has never done that counting 30 years so what happens to property owners like the dempsey's is they have c2 property they pay c2 taxes on it for 30 years and then they go to sell it so the buyer comes in to talk to the county about the proposed commercial use and the county says oh no you got a conflict zoning i don't know and so two years i've been working on this trying to get this resolved a couple of quite a few commissioners have intervened to try to get this resolved and i appreciate that on behalf of the dempsey family i only point this out because this is an ongoing problem and there's a lot of property owners are not being treated fairly by the process and how this has been done you are updating your comp plan hopefully this is something that could be resolved when you do that but thank you very much for each of you that intervened on behalf of the dempsey family to try to find a you know push forward a solution this was done completely under the comp plan there's nothing that was special that was done or anything but i appreciate you your interest in trying to get this resolved

for the family and all the other folks that have found themselves in the same situation thank you well yeah that that bothers me if we have something that comes forward with the conflict zoning i think it should be elevated to right away with shouldn't take two years when obviously that should i mean commercial is what we want there yeah that that shouldn't happen especially in the scenario okay as anyone in the public wish to speak on this okay um this is a roll call vote uh madam chair there's no one signed up and no one on webex move approval second roll call district one commissioner oakley district two commissioner moore district four commissioner fitzpatrick aye district five commissioner mariano district three chairman starkey aye all right p-69 item p-69 was published in tampa times on april 6 2022. denise hernandez planning and development p69 is pdd220329 today we're asking that you adopt this item by roll call vote this was presented to the local planning agency on april 21st 2022 who found it consistent with a comprehensive plan and recommended approval to the board of county commissioners this is a county initiated compliant amendment it's an ordinance adopting event amending the pasco county comprehensive plan providing for a small scale comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use map now 2-15 and sheet-01 from res9 residential 9 dwelling units per gross acre to il industrial light on approximately one acre of real property located to on the north and south sides of chapman street between pine products road and bower road and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for repealer severability and an effective date so if you would take public comment and adopt by role roll call vote please um would anyone like to speak on this item there's no one signed up for this item and there's no one on webex seeing no one move approval second roll call vote district one commissioner oakley district two commissioner moore district four commissioner fitzpatrick aye district five commissioner mariano bye district three chairman starkey aye thank you all right peace is that which one was that seven all right okay so now it's still an ordinance there's what okay okay one more all right so item p 70 was published in the tampei times on january

19 2022. good afternoon commissioners elizabeth blair at pasco county attorney's office this is the first public i'm sorry the final public hearing on the following ordinance an ordinance by the pasco county board of county commissioners establishing a temporary moratorium 180 days on the submission and acceptance of applications for building permits elizabeth can you hang on one second sure mr dempsey thank you for attending the bocc today i'm sorry you had to wait two years i didn't see you sitting back there but welcome thank you that's great i had to call him out by the pasco county board of county commissioners establishing a temporary moratorium 180 days on the submission and acceptance of applications for building permit site plans special exception uses conditional uses rezonings and comprehensive plan amendments within the moratorium areas around airports in pasco county providing for authority legislative findings of fact definitions moratorium areas temporary moratorium imposed duration of temporary moratorium and severability as you'll recall at this last meeting on may 3rd on this matter it was requested by the board that all stakeholders be included in discussions on the final version of this ordinance a draft ordinance was crafted by your airport zoning commission chairman as well as the land use attorneys was then brought to a larger meeting or a larger group of people who were called out in your agenda memo who attended and discussed that ordinance that proposed moratorium provides for the following the removal of the city of zephyr hills from the moratorium a prohibition on any development within the runway protection zones the renaming of the noise abatement areas to airport protection zones a prohibition on any development within the airport protection zones unless certain requirements are met and then it creates specific exemptions to the moratorium within those airport protection zones the requirements to go forward with development in the airport protection zone is as follows there must be notification an opportunity to comment provided to the apical airport on all the proposed development in the airport zoning airport protection zone for all proposed development a copy of a final faa determination letter indicating that there's no hazard to air navigation or appropriate mitigation by the faa be submitted with the application and for residential and educational facilities a noise study must be conducted that demonstrates the proposed development is not within the 65 dnl noise contour and then going a step further there has to be a restrictive covenant or a deed or an executed lease for the applicant to have the folks that end up purchasing the property are renting the property to

be aware of the existence of the airport kind of going to your desire there commissioner starkey so the moratorium does not affect the connor crossings development that is the development on 41 also the tanglewood ridge multi-family project that you all approved in the past the airports and the airport communities themselves and any application accepted prior to february 8 2022 which was your pending ordinance doctrine date there was a few amendments requested yesterday and so i did have to put together a redline version to get these on the agenda for today so in front of you you've got a document indicating p70 in the top right hand corner so page two i've incorporated requested language in the whereas clauses i've also included a definition on page three for site plans that's kind of a collective term we use in the county that's not clearly defined we wanted to make sure that when we use site plans throughout the moratorium ordinance we're actually addressing these various types of approvals that are laid out in the definition there i also have a clarification that the county is the person or entity responsible for forwarding building permit applications to the airport for review and comment and i fixed a typo and we also in working with david goldstein we expanded this concept of protection for the operators and the airport for those residential treatment and care facilities they really didn't fit in the other paragraphs dealing with single-family homes or apartments so we beefed up that um in response to some conversation we had internally so this is the final public hearing so i'd ask that you accept public comment and adopt the ordinance by your world called vote any questions for me just a quick question um what was the date you stated um when it came to applications again was february february 8th is when you all adopted the pending origins doctrine okay all right thank you and you did meet we had asked last time for you to have a meeting with steve we actually had a group of i believe 18 people that accepted a webex meeting we had folks from inside the county outside the county we had tbba who's present in that meeting as well as several pilots the owner of pilot country a manager at pilot country uh city updates city of zephyr hills billy poe isn't on the meeting as well so it was all right i did have one question when you said you're going to notify the airport what does that mean when it when you have these private airports you're going to notify

the concept is to allow them to comment on an application um especially if it is um but do they have like the president of the airport or what does that mean well the folks that i included in here are the folks that serve on your airport zoning commission these are their emails it would be going to them to the people on the airport zoning commission exactly that's that's the folks that are here on page four that's their email direct addresses okay so i just want to clarify that right they would only get the applications that are near them of course you have to comment on and then they would have their internal meetings or whatever with it right and and i mean i'm sure that once they um you know look at the site plan or whatever they could issue spot and then be able to communicate any concerns in the county okay um that was my uh commercial marianna oh good question about the central hills one of the concerns about this whole thing was having residential growth where good industrial land could be developed along that side does this moratorium address that it doesn't but here's the research i did do i did talk with zephyr hills we talked about well what really pressures are you having what are you experiencing um their projects for industrial improvements are well on their way i spoke with terry titos he and i went and looked at a plan a map together trying to identify any residential pressures in the unincorporated area to be concerned about and we decided that at this time there's nothing pressing to be concerned about so that's why we thought it was okay for zephyr hills to come out of the moratorium um it is a different class of an airport and the city is okay with coming out of the moratorium they can actually go forward with their with their projects without having you know to be concerned about it i'm church commissioner one more thing um what was the date of the last meeting we had when this was um brought forward and we asked for it to be continued public hearing yes it was may 3rd may 3rd and then we had our meeting on may 10th um well i just wanted to know when the last public hearing was okay maybe third and the first public hearing was you stated february 8th um that was when you imposed the pending ordinance doctrine denise maybe you can help me when was the first public hearing february 3rd that sounds about the land okay but that was the plan that wasn't border county commissioners though what was the first hearing for the board for the board of county commissioners it's been continued so many times um february 22nd yeah march that makes sense [Music] i have february 22nd

as the first okay all right just again i don't know if anybody's made it submit any applications or anything like that i just think going back my opinion is going back to february 8th when we didn't win the first public hearing for the board of county commissioners was on february 23rd 22nd 22nd february 8th was the day that we brought this forward for you to enter to introduce it and we asked you if you wanted it the pending or ordinance doctrine to apply at that point and you all said yes now you're you can change your mind but yeah but that's what the february 8th date comes from is board direction yeah i understand it's just you know and i appreciate that it's just been there's been a ton of back and forth we've continued this thing a million times um i just i i just feel a later date you know i'd love to make an amendment and push that date a little bit later i don't know that's just my opinion which date uh the february when we first heard it well is there public why why because fighters then they we have to adopt it because we didn't actually we'd actually have we didn't actually have a quote public hearing until that date i'm just saying that adoption date does well there's only so much time for a moratorium and if we keep the earlier date then then sooner i i see you're saying to it makes sense i'm just i just want to make sure that everybody knew that this was in the process and and if somebody got shut out because they didn't know this was going forward then they're not quote grandfathered in because they submitted an application i don't know i don't know i don't know if there wasn't enough so i don't know weren't they told at time of submission of documents that there is a moratorium um an apz going through i do not know what the other department does in terms of notifying folks um i can't answer that um but the pending ordinance doctrine basically just says hey you can go ahead we'll take your application and maybe we'll have rules that apply to you later if they're made the moratorium time frame actually um is when the true no acceptance of applications goes in place and that would be today so the moratorium actually would start from today they're two different legal concepts okay and when this is scheduled for today then we can go back and focus on the apz so we can get the apc for regulation will start correct it already has started thank you listen listen i'm not going to sit here and battle this i just i'm just trying to make sure we're fair across

the board similar what we did with the apartment situation so just trying to make sure we're consistent and how we move forward i believe you used the pending ordinance doctrine i again i don't remember so it's been so long just trying to make sure i would rather unless there's something i don't know about but it could be i'd rather try to be consistent i would rather have that clock or already have had again i'm not well let's take public comments and then we'll see let's check that make sure we're consistent thank you all right public comment if there's sorry do we have any yes we have um three individuals who signed up prior and one on webex okay yep barbara and then uh we have two people over there three signed up three signed up well i started to take me out of order but barbara will high 63 27 grand boulevard i'm part of the story so i wanted to speak first to kind of give you the rest of the fill in the rest of the context here so after that may 3rd bocc meeting and the direction from the board was to get everybody together spencer brass from pilot country and myself talked about what would be achieved in a moratorium ordinance and or goals for this moratory martins to move forward to back to the board here and the things that were important to both of us and spencer is on webex from italy so he's attending hopefully you guys can hear from him but what was important to all of us was that one was that we followed state law two was that we came up with something clear and implementable by your staff you have a lot going on here in pasco county and so we didn't want to make sure that was clear also to protect the airports but also be fair to the property owners we have property rights around these airports we own prop my clients own property and so with those goals in mind we crafted an outline spencer and myself of the things how we would rewrite this ordinance and then we worked with other stakeholders in that process the county attorney's office county staff clark hobby myself and came up with what's before you today and so we think we've come up with something that kind of achieves a balance which is surprising that i think we were able to do that and meet each one of those goals but we did it in a way of working collaboratively and i really hope that moving forward because this has been a long time and it's been a struggle it shouldn't have been that way hopefully it won't be that way but moving forward hopefully we have a working relationship and a trust now between the parties that

we can move forward and work on these regulations in a manner consistent with this ordinance because we see this ordinance as foreshadowing how the airport zoning regulations are going to go so with regard to the pending ordinance and the dates you know i have had people say to me you've had it pending since the sixth of sixth or eighth of um february but your ordinance is starting today and it's six months from today so i just point that out um i think we can work you know within whatever you ultimately adopt today if you change dates or how you want to apply things you know pending ordinance people do not know about it they didn't know about it you know and so that does catch people but the ordinance itself allows people to move forward if you're in the runway protection zone it prohibits anything for six months because that's the most critical area to protect those airports but in the airport protection zones it does have a path to move forward so even if somebody was under the pending ordinance doctrine there was a path for them to be able to move forward during the moratorium so thank you um all for all of your attention to this and all your work on it i think we've learned a lot and that'll help us um to get these airport zoning regulations done the only way we're going to get them done is if we work together again as a stakeholder group and we follow state law and don't try to go outside of state law and try to regulate development outside of state law you guys can take those case by case and hear those cases and make decisions but if we continue down the path we've set up here in this moratorium so i think we'll be successful thank you barbara i had a question for you because i i know that one that we approved on ridge road um is exempt from this but in doing in reading about what happens in a protection zone i did see that one of the um safety features is putting some kind of lighting on the roofs of buildings and i just wondered if um we might see if the person building those apartments might consider putting some kind of lighting on the roof i'm sure we can consider anything and look at that that's a it's an faa determination when when these projects are sent to the faa within the airport protection zone and they're all required to go to the faa for a determination the ffa makes that determination and if you're if you're above a certain height they could they don't just sometimes they just don't say no i think they can say no at some point when they just there's no mitigation but above a certain height it's my understanding that they can make recommendations that you have to light it as you know cell towers are above a certain height and they're lit yeah and so it's the same as that same process so okay thank you all right um we have some

other people signed up we do the first person signed up is mark budd okay mark budd 11748 driver lane spring hill florida and i live at pilot country commercial pilot i spoke here last time i was uh in that meeting on the 10th it was a good meeting and i believe we did move forward but i just got saw the draft just this morning so i didn't really get to see exactly what was in it but i just uh the notification for the prospective buyers of the property i think it was missing something because it talks about noose's noise and disruptions well that's not really the only thing that the statute was trying to protect it's it's you know safety around the elevate around the airport for both the pilots and you know the airport operations and the people around the airport so it would be nice to have in addition to that notification that it's already worded there that to talk about the elevated risk around the airport and those of us especially close into the airport i brought up at the meeting that 62 percent of any incidents or accidents related to a fixed-wing general aviation aircraft occur in the landing and takeoff phase that's close to the airport so while aviation is very safe and it's fairly remote that anything would happen it still exists so there still is an elevated risk around the airport and so if they're gonna if they're gonna know about the noise and those disruptions they should also know about the elevated risk be it small it still is there okay so that's that be my recommendation so really that's that's all i got well uh it does lead to a question are you aware of any crashes at pilot country there was uh there was i think three incidents in the past several years there was one involving a twin engine 310 coming in for a landing and he had an unsafe gear situation and so there's no way to tell whether the gear was going to hold or not so he touched down and the gear started to fold and he was managed to get off the ground again and uh prop took a few divots out of the runway at the same time and then he thought well i'll give it one more try and still started to fold on him he went to tampa and did a gear up landing another incident was a guy lost control on landing ended up in somebody's yard on the field i don't believe anybody was hurt in that in that incident this happened i think in the last

10 years and then there was another incident involving a small ultralight aircraft where a pilot took off and came low around the uh the field and uh was too low coming into the airport and ended up in the electrical wires oh it was a fatality yeah i remember that one um do you um as a homeowners association require inspections on your planes to make sure they're safe or is that an faa thing or an faa thing so you know in general aviation is very safe and as far as miles driven or flown aviation is safer than uh car transportation i tell that tell myself that every time i fly the only thing that's really that's really really bumpy but the fatality rate is unfortunately higher because you involve higher speeds if there is an incident so that's that's a problem myself i've been flying for over 40 years i've had three incidents of an emergency landing so all involving a power loss two in single engine and one in a multi-engine i've flown quite a number of hours so and they all were fine thank you invariably when you uh as a pilot and you're in an airport environment if something does go wrong you're going to try and get back to that area yes yeah all right thank you very much thank you thanks speaker uh mark 12 hoeven yes good afternoon commissioners and everybody who's interested i want to um say thank you for the work that has been done mr trump we need your name and address the director thank you my name is mark 12hoven i live on 11800 driver lane in spring hills i'm the owner of pilot country airport it's a public use airport it's privately owned my name is mark thank you so i want to say thank you for the work that has been done by both the commission and by the the committee that was put together for working on the airport protection zone uh particularly barbara wilheid recently with spencer have said let's get together and hammer out something that is workable so that we have a moratorium that is actually practical so i think i would echo that we welcome that that has been worked on mark but just mentioned the issue of safety i think currently we're working why has it been in response to some of the commissioners that said this has been going on what seems forever and our response to that is that yes there has been a florida statue 330 and 333 which became law already five years or in 2017 so i look i'm glad to see that pasco is finally addressing what has been a requirement by florida statue for a long time

i welcome also the developers to talk to the airport so that we have some compatibility in in the development that we see around airports so i look forward to that and one of my concerns is that the moratorium is for 180 days we all know how fast that can go because in fact we started on this years ago at least i was involved with zoning and i would just ask that we can look forward to continued work on making sure that long term we have a safe public facility for pasco and i look forward to the contributions that as an airport owner we can make to the pasco county thank you very much thank you okay uh next and the last person who has previously signed up is paul thatcher do we have anyone online we do one person my name is paul thatcher i live in 9344 dantel drive port richie florida three four six five four thank you it's in tanglewood states uh my information is not of here immediately but in 1989 i bought a high-rise condo in pompano beach florida at palm air country club i bought the penthouse 10 stories high we were one mile from pompano municipal airport we were not on the runway glide path either on landing or taking off but in late 1990s we had a dc-3 lose power coming off the airport and it crashed in the municipal area residential area devastating a dc-3 is a large aircraft to an engine i know them for a fact because i've flown in quite a few of them there was no reason for that other than that the municipal airport was there first there was no residential not even palm air country club it was built after the fact the city fathers there did not put a safe zone either before or after that airport now i know that there was other incidents where there was aircraft that took off and had engine trouble and like the pilot just said they do their best to get back to that airport if possible so there was small aircraft that i know that flew closer than 500 feet which is the standard for that aircraft

nothing below 500 feet other than landing or taking off one night we had a four engine aircraft come within 200 feet of my condo and he was coming from the north to the south and at a runway is an east-west runway for landing and taking off those engines he had those suckers cranked up big time because he was in trouble and he was doing his best to get to that airport i could have swore that man was going to land that craft in my living room because i was within 100 feet of him have you ever been within a hundred feet of a four engine aircraft believe me a moratorium is needed here lights on top of that building will not thank you stop the accident thank you and sadly i was almost with i think i was in a hundred yards of another plane 35 000 feet up a couple years ago so that was a little probably probably 100 feet all right um we have someone online we do we have spencer brass mr press you have been unmuted can everybody hear me yes if you could state your name and address for the record and then begin your comments yes country brass 11500 pilot country drive and i just wanted to jump on here really quick from italy and echo what barbara and mark have kind of said um it was well noted that we needed to get together uh barbara and i worked hard with staff and other uh people other stakeholders of the community of various communities and we think that we put together a moratorium that addresses the concerns of the airports um but allows developers and landowners to continue to use their landscapes but going through a process that uh helps to ensure safety for performance so just wanted to echo that appreciate everybody's time and we'll get to work on the ordinances as soon as we can thank you very much all right thank you um okay uh does anyone else wish to speak on this if not it's to the board i'd like a motion to approve a second with just a little discussion discussion yeah i'd like to thank everybody on the stakeholder committee elizabeth denise you guys did a great job working this through you gave us time to get make sure we got it right so thanks for your great work and i'm just up here because i want to make sure that you are taking the walk-on version that i gave you with these edits as the motion for this one okay yes and at this point we can focus on moving forward with the apz

thank you all right um all in favor wait is this a role district one commissioner oakley district two commissioner moore district four commissioner fitzpatrick hi district five commissioner mariano district three chairman starkey aye okay now we are on to 271 which is 71. do you want me to read the procedures while you're there are two rezoning agendas regular consent staff will present each application to the board of county commissioners if staff or planning commission has recommended approval and there is no opposition the application will be considered by the board without further presentation if staff or planning commission has recommended denial or if there is opposition to the application the applicant will be given five minutes for presentation the opposition will be given three minutes for each individual or five minutes for a group representative and the applicant will be given three minutes for rebuttal any individual disagreeing with staff for planning commission recommendation or anyone wishing to object to any condition of the rezoning may at this time request the petition be pulled from the consent agenda in which case that application will be heard under the regular agenda later on during the meeting otherwise all rezoning applications on the consent agenda will be approved by a single motion and vote if you wish to speak to any petition please give your name and or not you've been sworn for the record these are quasi-judicial public hearings the law in florida is mere public support or opposition of an application is insufficient for this board to take action please limit your comments to those criteria found within the board's land development code madam clerk would you like to square those people in yes sir if you were here to speak on the rest of the agenda if you could please stand up and be so that i can administer see swearing in okay very good please raise your right hands there you go okay do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth so help you god thank you hi peace p71 item p71 was published wait i'm sorry um there is no proof on this one sorry that's a withdrawal it is so we're going to go on to p72 yeah so do you want me to just read the topic pdd227287 this is to withdraw from consideration no further action is required on this one thank you [Applause] well i am curious what happened there so yes i'm grateful you're for your curiosity so uh this this came to the

board on march 27th and the board continue it continued it to a date uncertain they're ready to move forward with the project again however so many things have changed the ownership has changed the acreage has changed so they've submitted a new application and withdrawing the old application that's basically what it is but this is going to be a type of workforce housing or um it will be um some type of workforce housing yes it's coming to you in the future so i would say um before probably prior to september it'll be easier like okay just didn't want it to go away yes i mean i want to keep in mind with staff that you know we're trying to keep our commercial property commercial and not switch it to residential this is a this is an interesting one i don't really want to get so much into the weeds on this one but this is a conflict zoning this is an area that has a residential land use not a commercial land use and it has commercial zoning that was approved prior to um the comprehensive plan so it's a conflict zoning so yeah i think that there's a today because it's withdrawn wait no madam chair is it is it about this one yes can we is this next to osanum yeah is it next to the already part of ozil so it's like awesome i forgot what they call it four or five or whatever okay even there you go thank you p-72 the next point item p-72 was published in tampa times on april 6 2022. p72 is pd227600 this is a zoning amendment the name of leo at san antonio mpud auville john and first national bank of mount dora co-trustees it's a rezoning request from c2 general commercial district to an mpud master plan unit development district to allow 376 multiple family units and 85 500 square feet of retail on approximately 40.05 acres this comes to you with an approval with a recommendation of approval with conditions from the planning and development department and the planning commission as contained in your agenda packet okay with the applicant like no this is on consent so okay does anyone here wish to speak against this item there's no one signed up um and no one on webex for this item okay well even on consent i don't want to pull it madam chair i just want to make a statement because this is something we got to work on with a comp plan going forward again as we work through it stuff works through it this is again these are those these are actually single family homes some attack a couple i think they're also i don't think anybody really attacks attached units yeah most of them aren't attached though most of them were some of them are most of them yeah most of them are detached so in the future we got to make sure we

there are members of the public which cannot attend the meeting on june 21st 2022 at 1 30 in newport regime um then you can give them an opportunity to speak now if they speak now they are precluded from speaking at the next hearing that but but this since this was an action item uh i generally recommend that you take public comment from those who cannot attend the continuance day all right so if you understood that you can you have one opportunity to speak you can speak today or you can speak um at the june 21st june 21st meeting it's your choice would anyone like to speak to this issue today you can come up to the podium uh yeah would anyone else here like to speak and this nice lady has questions so it might be good to have them on the record okay hi it's my first time ever coming so i apologize welcome name and address my name is holly newman i live at 13703 gopher pond court hudson florida 3 4 um 703 i believe and you've been sworn oh yes i did i stood up okay so i just have a couple of questions and um i live in timberwood acres which is near kitten trail and hicks and um i came across the posting on next door um i drove out to where this site is supposed to be and these are the questions that a few of our neighbors came up with um i live in a really beautiful community uh we're a lot of veterans so a lot of us served in the armed forces including myself and my husband we have a lot of firefighters emt police officers a few of us are still working as civil service folks and these are the questions that all of our neighbors came up with the concerns are the flooding to the adjacent areas including little road all the way to denton avenue has there been a traffic study the increased traffic to hicks hicks kitten trail hudson and new york it's already extremely difficult to turn onto hicks and kitten trail what steps are being taken to ensure pasco fire rescue can handle this influx according to the pulse point we often go signal 40 which means no available rescue ambulance for medical or fire calls for service the impact of the already strained schools we have a lot of children in our 37 hoa residents area so these are the concerns that our neighbors are having right now and those are the only questions i have i apologize for hitting you with these and that's it that's all i have for y'all okay thank you very much thank you so much you all have a great day all right does anyone else want to speak

to this one today okay then um and take a motion to continue and there is no one on webex for this item okay take a motion to continue motion to continue that that would be to the date certain that to the terminators yeah oh we already ended sorry second uh all in favor i opposed like i said if oakley wasn't sick i'd be home uh p75 item piece 75 was published in the tempe times on april 6 2022 good afternoon everybody tammy snyder planning and development department we have the aprili cc mpud pdd 2275-57 and here's the location map that is elam road to the south of it kenton to the west proposes a rezoning from ac agricultural zoning district to a ccmpud connected city master plan unit development district to allow the development of a maximum of 106 286 000 square feet of office uses on a minimum of 4 acres and 525 residential dwelling units within a total project area of 158 acres the dwelling units consist of a mix of single-family detached attached and or multi-family the applicant is also seeking variations from the land development code section 901.6 point d point 10 street design and dedication which requires all dead entries to provide a cul-de-sac and the applicant is requesting a waiver from this requirement for dead-end streets that are less than 150 feet in length and ldc section 805.6 restrictions on post-development wetlands and upland buffers within residential lots and non-residential parcels it requires a mandatory association or cdd and the applicant is requesting a waiver for the multi-family and the non-residential portions under single ownership staff analysis is the 901.6.8.10 the fire marshal's concern for life safety he has made the determination that dead-end streets less than 150 feet are acceptable without a cul-de-sac and staff understands that the fire marshals marshal's determination does allow for this variation 805.6 staff is amenable to allowing the request as it only pertains to the multi-family and non-residentials if they are under single ownership if the areas are not under single ownership then the standard association cdd condition still applies here's the master plan the subject side is currently vacant has primarily been used for agricultural pursuits and a 12.18 acre portion of the mpud is currently owned by whitakuchi river electric cooperative the project area is in the central market area and outside of any urban service of rural areas in connected city there are 192 single-family detached entitlements remaining and the april ec mpd allows for 525 residential units subject to the land use equivalency matrix for unit types with a maximum of 192

single-family detached permitted project-wide the proposed area is within the community hub special planning area of the connected city and as such it's required to have a medium density residential area the proposed density of the residential portion of aprilia is 3.6 dwelling units per acre which falls in the medium standards ldc section 402.2.2.8 specifies that variations from this code may be reviewed and approved by the pc and bcc during the public hearing held on any application for the mpd zoning amendment variations shall be allowed where the bcc specifically finds in this particular case that the proposed variations meter exceed the intent of the code staff has reviewed the requested variations and find that they do meet the intent as noted above the proposed request is consistent with the ldc chapter 400 subsection 402.2 zoning amendment and pud and with the applicable provisions of the pasco county comprehensive plan and with that the recommendation is approval with conditions okay uh here's the applicant and i have some questions but we'll let him do his presentation madam chair clark hobby hobby and how bpa 109 north brush street tampa florida have been sworn here beh on behalf of the applicant as staff noted this is when within the community hub zone of connected city staff and the board have planned for this area to transition from what has been a historically rural area to a medium density area within the community hub area the lower densities and more suburban form of development are to be located over along the curley area and the epperson area and then we're transitioning over as you get through this area and move west into the business core area which will have the highest intensity and highest density because our client knew that this was going to be a bit of a sea change for some of the residents that are out in the area we've worked extremely hard with the neighbors and we've made a series of private concessions to them to provide for additional landscaping tree saves tree mitigation and so we're providing a good buffer for those folks and as a result of that we have 10 neighbors directly across the existing dirt road that is kenton road we'll be building the first stretch of the new kenton road which will be a ultimately an arterial roadway but we have the consent and letters of no objection from eight of the ten neighbors across the street and i'd like to introduce this into the record and give it to the clerk let's receive a file second all in favor aye opposed thank you uh again as staff pointed out it's a nice mixed-use project we're working with woodlake with lucocci river electric cooperative and we're going to have a service ready site acreage site that they're going to develop at elam and kenton

then we'll have you know a mixture of single-family and what connected city calls multi-family which is a combination of row houses as you noted uh horizontal uh multi-family kind of stuff transitioning down to that so i'm happy to answer any other questions that the board might have i think we may have one person here to speak from the public about something related commission mariano um you know i met with mr harvey a little bit ago on this um i hadn't seen the uh ldc i have a crime remember like the request to remove the cul-de-sacs i'm really if i don't know if i'm comfortable with that if you're gonna have a smaller little road and it's gonna dead end if it's multi-family you could have kids out there playing et cetera if you have cars you've got to do a three-point turn go go and back out i don't know we probably structure your garbage trucks i mean it's let me let me have uh jordan schroeder address that because that's in a technical area that he knows a lot more about than i do commissioner mariana so good afternoon members of the board jordan trader 3010 west azeal tampa florida 33609 i have been sworn this alternative variation we're actually putting in all mpuds it's just a simple ldc cleanup if you look at a residential subdivision there's cul-de-sac where it's longer than 150. there's often little edit dead-end streets that are 100 feet or so where that road ends and there are two houses on it it's standard practice across the state of florida we do it in all areas rldc says all roads have to enter a cul-de-sac staff and brad you can jump in here everybody's agreed we just need to clean up the code we just all we need to do is clean up the code where roads are 120 which is very common that there's no cul-de-sac there it's it's traditional form it's very common it allows that gritty you know layout that we want in this area so we are asking for this on every mpd staff is going to be working with a an ldc cleanup item just so that we don't have to ask staff for an alt standard later we wrap it into every mpd that comes in [Music] so so how long how long is the street that isn't doesn't have to have a cul-de-sac less than 150 what is that how many homes are on a street like that usually two yeah that's not a lot of traffic not about traffic just think about the look of it i mean and trinity i've been down and then and just like it's it's weird well i i don't even like cul-de-sac so i live on one but i think everything should be connected when possible good afternoon yes uh connections wherever possible uh my tip in planning and development uh to answer your question this is one of those situations where the actual distance is fairly short uh comparatively speaking uh but what happens is if you if you try

to put a cul-de-sac on an end of that street you end up cutting pretty significantly into the private land ownership uh because of the radii that are necessary to be able to go around and do some turns on the streets so the the amount of room that's necessary for a cul-de-sac versus just having two homes that are touching there uh the math just really doesn't work out uh the fire department has consistently told us fire marshals consistently said that they're okay uh with that distance if that's not a safety issue in their eyes uh and we've made this uh basic change on most of the mpuds that we've had that have come in and asked for it so these are the single family homes going to have the cul-de-sac not have the cul-de-sac correct we're actually this this alternative variation standard we're submitting on every single project and everything and there we handle it on the pdp construction plan side of it we wrap it into the zoning to save brad's people the paperwork and processing that comes with that on every single time we're being proactive for it it would be for single family or most commonly in a town home or a horizontal built for rent residential style where those two roads intersect and it's never warranted for a cul-de-sac so if you've got someone amazon coming in to deliver the truck if they can't get the driver they're going to make a spin move what about like a waste truck that's got to come in the waste trucks they're so the last driveway there's always enough room for them to do their movements and turn around and i can tell you from the 10 000 lots that we've done recently in pasco solid waste off on all of them they haven't had a burner issue solid waste has been able to serve without any issues the the stubs are very short they're very common and it's not long enough to where you'd ever have free flow traffic interfering with kids that would want to be out kicking the soccer ball but if you have two homes at the end you're gonna have one home could put it close to the edge of the roadway the other one's gonna be in so the dump truck's gotta go in there and get it somehow correct and then you're gonna back up to get out correct or use the driveway turn around it's suspect okay um so i have a question does anyone else have a question and i'm trying to figure it out here and i know we talked about bike trails or multi-use pass if we want to call them that and um we mentioned that there's a two foot uh that the well i'm trying to figure out from your drawing sorry i'm not an engineer i can't figure out that if there is even is one and i get them all mixed up because i've had so many meetings do we even have a

multi-use path here but um you mentioned that about the two feet and i went back to my planning staff and that two feet is a minimum and i'm talking about placing the multi-use path against the road so in my opinion we should only be using the two foot minimum when there's constrictions from a wetland that keeps you from touching it otherwise we got to get better about taking these further away from the road we had a couple that got hit by a car and killed on tarpon we can't landscape it we can't it's just not good to smash it up against the road it's just a glorified sidewalk so i have a question about the tr the multi-use path if there is one on this road jordan can address but just so you know there are adopted cross sections in the comp plan for connected city that we have to follow so if the board wants us to do something other than that and projects going forward the cross section would have to change in the comp plan so but jordan can explain the cross section jordan trader first off i'd like to thank commissioner starkey for 10 years you've been calling me up here to ask about meandering sidewalks and we appreciate your consistency [Laughter] i should take that i've been called up go ahead jordan so commissioner starkey this project includes the first extension of kenton road which goes from elam north to road b on that site plan yeah the cross sections for that were we are we're adopted towards with the connected cities cross sections what it is is the interim condition has a dedicated six-foot multi-purpose lane that is actually inside the curb when the road gets and its art it's part of the master plan we really messed up on that approval because who's going to let their kids ride on the street the ultimate build out which is a four-lane section then brad you may want to speak to the planning team to put together connected cities once it's a four-lane road they want to see pedestrians and cyclists move outside the travel lane into a dedicated multi-purpose path that's what happens when that road gets four lane the interim condition for the two-lane section that has a dedicated oversized bike and multi-purpose pass you know against the travel lane it is we have used these cross sections to negotiate very longly with neighbors to secure the right of way needed we're living and dying by the governing documents for the connected cities in this cross-section okay so i know in epperson they have all these trails for golf carts and everything so you can get around the community without having to get on the main road right does this neighborhood have that since it's where how do they get around the neighborhood without being on the road

correct so and do the commissioners have the mpd master plan maybe in front of them there's a little graphic we can pull it up on the screen yeah the only thing i see in the package is a walk it's it's not a conceptual plan okay so everybody on the board is obviously familiar the epperson project is located east outside the screen here that's it on the bottom right correct they're making that's to the right of the screen so they're making the improvements in elam and then this project i need a point on the laser pointer there we go there you go you see it well we can't see it you see the red square down the bottom corner correct that's the intersection of elam and kenton road and we're building the first segment of kenton road to the north we're also making access improvements on elam road we work really hard with staff they made sure that we are building the dedicated golf cart lanes in elam road along all of our frontage and transitioning and tying into the east project so that the very at the bottom along right so there are three big projects coming in on elam road there's epperson further east then there's the white space on this graphic was a separate mpd called woodville palms they're making their own improvements where they're building that lane and then we're picking up and finishing it from there so you have a continuous golf cart lane in neelam road now if we go north on kenton which is clark mentioned earlier is the major north south collector road parallel to curley inside connected cities in there we're building dedicated golf cart lanes in that collector road if you go north the first right is called road a that is a subdivision collector road where we'll have golf cart lanes and speeds slow enough where the golf carts can go into this community and also the residential community to the east the two blue arrows are local interconnects that we've added we're only acquired one we have two of those so there'll be golf cart connections at each of those blue arrows right there and if you can envision there's a non-residential hub at the red interconnected blue arrows there so that folks golf carts can go back and forth between these communities and then if they when they get on these north south road kenton that's a collector they're dedicated golf cart lanes for there so the map that's absolutely the thing goes to four lane no no in the interim condition in two lanes we will construct the golf cart lanes when it goes to four lanes it becomes four dedicated travel lanes and the county constructs getting a separate dedicated path okay i feel better any other questions

if not i'll wait for my i think we may have one neighbor that wants to talk about a drainage issue that doesn't necessarily pertain to this but i'll wait for any additional questions thank you all right thank you um did someone want to come speak on this issue thank you i have michael um pulterrec signed up to speak good afternoon commissioners thank you for the time thank you for taking our comments and uh hearing our side of this michael poltorick 9152 kenton road wesley chapel three three five four five we purchased the property and we've been sworn yes we have okay thank you all right um we are an adjacent property to here we purchased in 2020 we are in the process of building out a small farm right there in the middle of this which is going to be amazing because we're still going to be able to show the connected city what some of pasco looks like okay we are pro-responsible growth and we are pro-responsible development here's one of the issues the pasco connected city some of the development is getting ahead of the infrastructure a little bit too quick two examples are fire rescue a signal 40 continuously because we don't have completed fire stations and another example is right on mckendree road right around the corner from this and in the middle of the connected city it's a dirt road two lanes we now have a commercial ice arena an ice skating rink on a dirt road that's in its final phase of completion and there's no paved road to get in or out for any of these people so we're getting ahead just a little bit and i'd like to point out our biggest concern could you bring up our this property is adjacent to king like i have a yesterday can just pause this time because she yeah thank you the majority of this document was actually shown to the planning commission as well so they have seen it as part of um public records so it should come up is what you're saying there's a few slides added from from the last meeting all right i apologize and i'll try to make it as quickly as i can i may have to ask for what uh what are we trying to load up yeah we have we have a full powerpoint presentation that show the actual lake king lake that's adjacent to this property the lake level since 09 has gone up about seven feet in the dry period of the season the dry season of the year right now on the rear of our property you can only see the top of our four foot cattle posts this used to be dry it was seasonal with rainfall we've lost 750 linear feet of property out into the lake at this point where we're at right now

in this document is also the historical rainfall data to show rain had nothing to do what's with what's going on historically there was three outflows for this lake one to the north that became morata one to the south which became epperson and there's one to the west that now continuously overflows across and through kenton road every time it rains even in the dry season this development may not be the issue at hand however what's in the process of happening is if 40 acres of this property is covered with hard surface we're going to have over 1.7 million square feet of land area that has to shed water somewhere the natural place with gravity for it to go is into the lake we are already way too high for a water elevation level the property across the street from us which is 9247 kenton road is under contract with dr horton that is the only place this lake overflows at this point so one of the hiccups that we're gonna have and i'm pointing it out right now because there's an easy solution to this when dr horton wants to put another 300 single-family residentials where the outflow for this lake is they're going to want to dam up this lake it's going to keep the remainder of the water in this lake which is going to flood out all of the current residents all the residents on the west side of this lake are already fighting flood waters as it is if that outflow gets stopped everybody's going to be living in our 100 year flood plain as an everyday occurrence now where this development is and you have the map from their presentation all right on the southwest corner of this is your storm water facility your storm water um a reservoir reservoir all right so they already bring it in and they send out the reclaimed water we need you to protect your current residents and we need to welcome our new residents but we can't flood out those of us that are currently here to allow for more residents as it is well i can tell you that swift won't allow that they'll they'll have to have a master water plan and they're not allowed to put any water any more water on any of your property so they'll have to get their permits and it'll all be engineered and lots of times i've seen that where that helps neighborhoods so they haven't returned our calls this yet so well i i my guest when they come back up what's up your presentation's up what's up oh perfect could i ask for 90 seconds to just show you what we have thank you can you go to the next slide that's the beautiful king lake this is the actual satellite view in 09 where you can see what the the top view of our properties

look like can you go forward one please uh okay darn it that's that's the old one from the planning commission if you can flip forward to 2020 it's probably up about six seven slides you'll see the lakes the lake has filled in and can you go forward one more for me this is the historical rainfall just so that you can see that between 09 and 18 when these satellite images were taken it wasn't a rain induced situation this is the actual satellite view of how much property we've currently lost this doesn't take into account any additional land that we're going to lose with that water level coming up at all can you go forward one more for me okay that's there there was a different presentation for today which showed the location of this development the location of the stormwater facility they're actually adjacent you're fixing to put a new road in between we need help setting a max elevation for that lake and so that the storm water instead of it all going into our backyards can go to a responsible place so that it can go up back out and be used for reclaimed water for our current citizens right thank you um and we'll have i'm sure there well is there anyone else who wants to speak on this issue oh there's another one and do we have anyone online we have no one on webex for this item okay and would anyone else besides this gentleman like to speak okay this will be a last public comment my name is philip singletary i live at 8723 kenton road i'm one of the two people who didn't sign their agreement a simple thing on the news morning sir i'm sorry sir have you been yes i have thank you uh kenton road on the is private road on the south end a half a mile that's where they're going to put the two entrance ways that we can have access to the new canton road one concern that i have is the only fire hydrant that we have in the whole area is at the very end of the south end of canton road which they're going to shut off i've been told that they can't keep that road open because you can't have two parallel roads so that's an issue i have you can't put a cul-de-sac down there because they're putting a starting a turning lane they're going to widen elam road so a simple solution to me would be keep the road open your mail can come through the garbage trucks can come through they've been doing it forever and that's

pretty much what i have to say thank you all right we'll get the answers all right um please come back up and answer the questions and maybe explain how the drainage will work sure this clark hobby again i'm gonna turn it over to jordan trader because these are technical comments but i just wanted to point out a couple of things i think our neighbor who just not mr singletary but the previous neighbor he actually lives about a quarter of a mile north he's not immediately adjacent to our site and his primary issue is he's worried there's a discharge about a half mile or a mile from our site that historically conveyed water out might have been blocked by one of the neighbors we did meet with him after planning commission my understanding from county staff is that they're looking into it maybe an open code enforcement matter that may address his issue regardless i know jordan will be looking at all these outfall issues as part of the design and permitting of it and i'm going to turn over these other things to jordan i just wanted to say finally you know we work really really hard to take care of our neighbors and we've done everything we can to transition their existing dirt kenton road to leave as much of it in place for them as they want in the interim condition while giving them a connection to our new road that we're going to build which will have all the utilities so we're building all the infrastructure jordan talk about the fire hydrants i don't get into that level but i will say this i think the board is smart enough to realize you can't have 25 feet away from one another uh an arterial roadway and another road that's just safe safety's not gonna work and anyway for those reasons uh you know staff and planning commission you unanimously supported this so we'd ask for your support i'm gonna turn it over to jordan now on the technical stuff okay good afternoon first i'll speak to the drainage from the neighbor who spoke first uh he met with us at planning commission we actually met after and talked to him also he's correct there are three points of drainage connection there they're actually they said there's three outfalls there's two there's one inflow and two outflows there's one inflow into king lake that comes across from the south across elam road and then there are two one from the north and one from the west and again he lives a little further to the north so the one to the west is not it's not connected to our property it's further to the north he mentioned there will be another piece of property that's under contract we believe to be another home builder when that comes in i think we can speak to the drainage for that and making sure that they maintain that existing outfall and don't block her obviously they're not allowed to to

block and hold up king lake there's our codes as well as football regulations prohibit that this neighbor believed there may be some blockage to the outflow to the north we put him in touch with the right people at swift mud john pawanda and their compliance department we gave them all his contact information so that with county code enforcement as well as a water management district they can make sure that there have not been any unpermitted drainage impedance to the north so we've given him all the tools to be able to make sure that those two outfalls are not as far as our development we're going to make sure that we're designed and permitted accordance with ours as well as state regulation to make sure that we don't increase or alter any of the drainage patterns that came in so normally normally when people talk about lake levels i mentioned um the over pumping and the stopping of over pumping and the lake levels coming up but i'm not sure in this area that's an issue it's been too recent i'm sure yeah so we can't speak from the audience it's not your head yes or no it's mr polterrack is that correct pull track you stated that um in obviously thanks for putting them in touch or get a hold of jump juana but they never reached back out to you no okay so commissioner oakley's not here it is his district but i will tell you this um i'll make sure that i work with john pawanda myself and make sure he meets with you and goes to the site yeah okay um i'll call john or i'll call the executive director or whatever because if you have that issue going on out there on the outflow wherever that may be obviously you want to look at that because i thought king lake was for a while before you even were there it was getting low wasn't it yeah it was getting pretty low for a while there um i think it was getting too low it's hurting certainly fishing at the planning yeah right so the planning commission chris williams who lives on lake pasadena buddy lake yeah look i've learned this for a long time and i've seen 2009 with a dramatically low year we've seen it come back up these lakes are starting to restore some of their historical patterns but people are losing in land for associated if they've come in so right again as clark mentioned earlier we're we're seeing a transition so andy we get with mr is that mrs polterak next to you okay mr mrs poltrak um andy will get with you we'll get your information i'll make sure we make the connection with swift mud so they can go to your site look at what's try to see what that issue is obviously it's not this site that's causing the issue but we want to make sure we can try to do what we can to help you figure this out because

obviously you want to maintain as much of your property as possible so let me speak to the fire hydrants so there's an existing water main on the north side of elam right now when we build new kenton road to the north we are in compliance with connected city's master water plan it calls for a obviously new and significant water main on the west side so most nearly located to the residents of kenton we're going to be bringing that brand new water main to the north we would not otherwise be required to install hydrants in a collector road that didn't have intensities right on it i think in this case we could make sure that we install fire hydrants on the west side of kenton road in proximity to the neighbors to the west as a sign of good faith we can space those in accordance with residential standards so that they now have new hydrants closer to their houses much more than they do today okay so that we can't mr madam chair i don't think we can add that as part of our motion today uh to add that it's an mpd you could if you wanted to okay you're good with that okay we're good all right we don't want fire and we don't want problems okay [Music] okay all right so then uh commissioner mariano yeah let me just go back to the cul-de-sac thing um and again i have discomfort with it when i when you look at 150 feet that's about triple the length from where you are to the wall so if a garbage trucks could come in at four in the morning six in the morning backing up there some kids out there getting ready to go to school or someone else's cars or someone's walking there it's it's it's a dangerous situation in my opinion how wide the road is going to be standard 50-foot right away 10-foot travel lane so they're they're local roads all right so you've got 10-foot trial lines they're 20-foot wide and the trucks gonna take up at least most of that square footage on half of it um yeah i don't know where the demand was to change the cul-de-sacs i mean i like you commissioner striker i like to see the connections all the way through but if they're going to be co it's going to be dead end roads i've just never seen anyone that looked comfortable to me where i wouldn't want to live at the end of one of those jordan or we don't have the layouts we can't see that jordan are you are you hammer heading them or it would be a hammerhead situation that's right so that's how that's how the trucks turn around is they're hammerheading the so pick it up you're the engineer you're an urban kid right and it's it is a hammerhead where two roads intersect it happens in all urban planning and form we have a suburban code that we're just trying to get caught up to the

urban form that we want in these areas and i'd love to work directly with you commission mariano as a well that's that's a good thing they have to back out it's a like a three-point turn correct right three-point turn so you set the house back a little bit further correctly in the very end correct all right i'm gonna go with that okay okay so like we didn't better explain that thank you happy to answer thanks chef i think we can work through that we'll work we'll work with the with the residents um let's all make a motion to approve in ad and the fire hydrants that we spoke about um to the approval second all right all in favor aye aye aye opposed okay thank you thank you all right we are two p 77 item p 77 was published in the tampa times on april 13 2022. it's the caldwell public works good afternoon commissioners this is pw uh 22-080 and this is the elsa el salle court pvas number three four seven nine it's one street discount maintained it's paved and the estimated cost um is uh 23 000 approximately 23 600 the maximum cost per eru is seven thousand eight hundred fifty fifty two dollars and thirty four cents uh the discounted amount is four thousand eight hundred and eighty nine dollars and twenty eight cents the maximum cost after the discount per eru is six thousand one hundred and thirty nine dollars and twenty five cents there are four possible votes um only two responded one was a yes vote and one was a no fault so we have the fifty percent required that's why we're here um annual installments is over a 10-year period and the interest rate is at 3.25 percent this is a local location map and an example conditional road and staff is recommending the proof not much of a road wow is this the first time coming in for a pvas yes it's in my district um is there anyone here to speak against this we have against this uh yes we have a couple people signed up to speak but i don't know against esau court okay good afternoon commissioners hugh townsend 9701 hermes solo drive newport richie florida 346.55 el sol the sun court uh there were two that responded uh my house is by the way contiguous to el sol court two people responded i was the negative and mrs marvin was the positive doctor and mrs sani responded in the negative however they were just a little bit late i have a letter from dr mrs sani stating that they still object to the project and that they had made repeated

requests to have the potholes filled over a long period of time i'd like to enter their letter signed dated 17 may of this uh well they dated at 2021 but it is current i can have her recite it if you wish i'd like to have it entered into evidence motion to receive and file so move every second second all in favor over here uh now i also have a letter from the other owners uh maria samis and her husband jalapanos they also object their new residents from new york city they did not fully understand the letters that they received i explained it to them they have a handwritten letter dated 17 may 2022 to whom it may concern also objecting and they do not want the project to continue permission to enter into evidence motion to receive and file all in favor aye aye uh next i have a letter from mrs pat marvin the affirmative vote um basically uh dated again 17 may uh 20 21 again but i'm sure she meant 22. i can have her re-sign it here the introduction is we attended a community meeting on 3 may 2022 and spoke with representative asley caldwell based on the information provided at the informal meeting we would not like to proceed with the pvas recommendation her conclusion uh we kindly request pvas3479r not to proceed nor be fulfilled as we have no desire to shoulder the shared monetary burden uh of repaving the roadway now i would like to enter this letter also into the evidence permission to approach motion to receive and file next time just hand them to them all this once man i need a dramatic impact the dramatic effect of reading it all in favor aye um on before may informal meeting with ansley caldwell chief project manager we expressed a desire that thank you see if you had done those all at one time you would have saved some time well in conclusion i just want to say that after the may after the may 4th meeting on cinco de mayo a crew from the county arrived at el sol court and repaired half the cul-de-sac on 6 may they returned to el sol court repaired the rest of the cul-de-sac and i believe that the issue is mute the potholes and issues have been repaved so i'm requesting that this uh issue be dropped um i had originally sent an email on 28 april requesting that millings and

rolling be done as was done on many other streets in hunter's ridge at no cost to our residents but now that the issue has been resolved by mr caldwell's people coming out and repairing i would like to have this entire repaving issue your time your time's really up okay um so gosh um that is not a pothole situation no you're sorry thank you madam chair there are three other people signed up okay so um would anyone else like to speak on this issue i have three other people signed up um hardeep sandy that's on this one we have another pvaas coming up she signed up on 77. okay come on come on up did any did anyone else there sign up to speak there's a person by the name of bobby also signed up bobby here okay anyone else who wants to speak on p77 you can come up and there's patricia marvin so anyone who wants to speak on p77 please line up chair do we have pictures of the road fixed in the past two well i'm gonna guess it's a temporary fix it's not it's just uh yeah okay go ahead my name is you want to um lower that mic free there you go my name is hardy ceni and i live on 9719 el sol court neighbor 34655 for many years we called and asked to repair the potholes and they and that is noted on the letter and those were fell on the deaf ears when we talked to mr ansley cardwell and he says that's another department and the neighbor my next door neighbor also called for many years and you guys send us information that is true we did keep calling you guys and nothing was fixed then finally in the end we asked how do we get help to get this whole fill and we were directed to print this form from the website and mail in and we did and that's when this whole thing started nobody came to fill our holes and then suddenly we get a bill and then once we brought it to mr cartwell's attention and him saying oh i don't know that and i didn't know that you guys were asking for it and when we left the meeting the next day as mr thompson said somebody showed up and also we got an email that we did requested these things how come those were not fulfilled since 2018 repeatedly asked to come [Music] and protect us with these big holes and you see the the situation of the road barely a dirt road now you see it i don't have to say anything it's horrible

and once the two days that somebody came i'm not saying that you guys did a great job but you did fulfill some of the requirements at least we can drive safely without running into a whole our tires are or getting ourselves dangerously yeah getting out of our cul-de-sac that's but i did mention all that and i don't know what did we do wrong in asking or what did we do wrong by you guys ignoring us well we didn't and it showed up somebody showed up afterward and email showed that we did request for many years repeatedly that's all i got to say all right thank you very much and someone else wants to speak okay um ainsley um is that i'm sorry i was a little distracted here this is one of the roads that we fixed with public money yes um yeah yes commissioner so um so you did a chip seal which is a temporary road treatment the most recent is just portable patch yeah so um i mean basically there's no road left here there's some road left but um it's not totally complete so but yeah did you yeah i just do you mind yeah what's your thing so the vote was one what was it again 1-1 yes sir and we consider that i'll support the ordinance i have to bring it to the board for you i understand again how many people were there were sent letters to vote for their two four properties on the world cup all right listen you know what i've said forever i mean if people don't want it they don't want it but beware i mean i mean beware i mean you can't fill these these aren't potholes this is gone so you have bottom line is you have a choice again i'm not listen we know if if people are outnumbered this is 50 50. so i'm kind of on the fence on this one but if people are if it's a 5149 against iowa typically i say no don't do it um because the majority spoke now you have an even situation i know you brought um a letter that's staying there when the person voted the other way so okay four okay so i'll kind of take that into consideration i'll say no but just beware these you can't fix this unless you do a pvas because you can't these aren't potholes anymore piles are gone so you know i'm just being honest i'm gonna i'm gonna tell you what's gonna happen in a big rainstorm is because we saw it on the roads in this area which is why we took one-time money from the oil spill i think and did a temporary fix on these roads

so that you could drive there and i don't know how long you've lived there but these roads were undrivable um and we have pictures somewhere to show you what's going to happen here and when there's a lot of water you will have no garbage pickup i mean it's it's like oatmeal um the road base just explodes so um i i i get real conflicted on these because it's taxpayer money that's coming in and fixing these and i don't want to keep temporarily fixing these that's that's throwing money out the window and a very poor use of the public money that's what you can you can't you can't you can't fix it so it's good this is not a pothole it'll stay that way but if you guys are okay with that i mean that's what it is i guess they're saying they're okay so there's two ways that we can fix roads the funding way it's the pvas way which i absolutely hate or the way that's coming to us where everybody's going to pay something to fix all the roads in the county but that we have to have a funding source to fix these roads and we do not collect any money from your taxes right now to fix the roads except for the second five cent uh gas tax does potholes but these aren't potholes so i don't know where the money comes to even fix this um it's frustrating to me i just um [Music] so if if we vote to get this road fixed you at least get in line to have it fixed but but when we change the system which i hope when is that coming to us yeah it'll probably be later this year we've we've met with all the commissioners and we're formulating a presentation why would it be next year if you're ready well to to implement that we're working on we're working on a time so then you could be way at the end of the line um to get that fixed and you might have a travel issue getting to your home did you want to say something i was going to say this this definitely highlights the need to get off this p-val system that we've got um it's gonna be a little bit a while i mean maybe we should continue this for about three months until the other thing comes back to make a decision because if it comes in all of a sudden if we pass it this can be one of the roads that obviously should get done so so ainsley my road one of the you know i have two houses in the county one of them is kind of near this one we petitioned to get our road into the p vest system the last time it failed and i'm talking about nerestita our road's falling apart um we failed on the first one because people thought they could come in and do this temporary chip seal on the top and look great but we figured out

that we'd still be paying off the temporary fix when the road failed and we'd have the other assessment on top of the temporary assessment that didn't make any sense so um i didn't realize it but someone has put in a new ask for a pvas in january and then we had a commissioner cox came in and put one in in march but i don't chair we're i'm speaking we're interested in getting our road fixed and there's 126 projects up front of me that's what they told me in your office 124. um that's what someone in your office said i'll check and then i get back to you that number sounds a little bit higher i was blown away that about that number but um okay all right thank you um so when i got arisita was brought to the board they originally wanted to have the chip seal and then michael cox because you were just addressing it so i'm letting you know what had happened is i withdrew my motion because they wanted to update and make a new motion and i had made a motion to do a full depth reclamation in aristida okay that if you if we don't go with this today it's it may not be in your best interest but commissioner mariano did you want to say something uh nothing more okay like no no there's i got three those are three letters there's we said there's four people yes and he was the fourth all right so i got everybody except for one that says they don't want it so i mean you could continue it but or but here's what's tonight i know this sounds kind of crazy but here's what i'm wondering if people don't want their road fixed maybe we just don't go in there and fix it anymore i mean i just don't like throwing money out all the time and if you fail a pvas and you like the road the way it is that's your road yeah well man i'm trying again like you saw you can't pop you can't you're not going to build it they don't want it fixed that's what i mean you're not going to be able to want to live with it like this yeah well you can't have and that's you're in the tough stuff that's what i'm hearing they don't want to have their road fixed okay this is not a pothole situation yeah you can't fill that in with no pothole so i would it's one to one so well yeah one one of the vote but you got the people here said i'll make a motion to deny it or i would make a motion to continue for three months and let them decide what they want

well if it if we don't get a second then we'll see where we go okay it dies for lack a second i'll move to continue it for i'll say four months to give you time and then we can at least take a look at it and if we if we've gone through one second and then we'll pass the feedback so no action today okay and that gets you through the rainy season all in favor aye opposed all right well good luck i hope you have no issues on your road okay um where are we ain's do you have another p bass yes sir uh two more to go okay let's speed up the 22-0 and this holiday drive from bonita road to lang road pivas number three four eight one the swan street is coming to maintain its pave the estimated cost is um one hundred and 74 dollars maximum cost per eru is two thousand seven hundred and eight two point seven four discounted amount is eleven thousand two hundred and nine point one six and the maximum cost per eru is two thousand three hundred and thirty seven dollars and five cents there are 29 possible votes six responded and that's about 21 percent of the petitioners also respondents um four were in favor two regains and that is 67 percent in favor and 3 percent against maximum sorry annual installation is over 10-year period and the interest rate is 3.25 percent this is a location map foundation of the road staff is recommending um approve oops okay is there anyone in here against this pbas i need to read pub all right go ahead so item p7 that's okay item piece 78 was published in the tampa times on april 13th 2022 and i don't know if i read pub on uh p77 so that was published in the tampa bay times on april 13th 2022. now we're caught up okay so i just want to say i'm very familiar with this road i drive down this road all the time because there's a problem child on this road um so it is not in good shape but did you want to speak on this one i have one you cannot speak from there if you're ford you don't need to worry okay so you don't have that opportunity yes i do have one person signed up and it might be this lady which is janice cruz it is a public hearing yeah madame chelsea don't say the wrong thing you might talk us out of this now no obviously i'm gonna stay there i'm janice cruz i live at 2042 holiday drive holiday florida three four one my husband orf tex and i enjoyed the presentation by mr calwell i want to give him a cadoo because he

really was very informative and we really enjoyed what he had to say we found we want to thank all of you for considering repaving holiday drive right now it is in very poor condition and we all of you we hope will vote for approval for this important improvement in our community and i thank you thank you for being for your road fixing um is there anyone else that which wishes to speak to this mover-proof second um favor aye all right one more final one all right item p79 was published in the tampa times on april 13th 2022. uh this is pw number 22.0082 and it's sunfish drive pvas number three four seven six one uh street has come to maintain and it's paved the estimated project cost is 124 000 and maximum cost per eru is three thousand seven hundred and twelve cents maximum saturday uh discounted amount is uh 21 784.77 maximum cost per eru after the discount is three thousand and twenty-five dollars and nine cents there were 37 possible votes we had 21 that responded and that's 57 there were 17 in favor that's 81 percent who are in favor and um forward against which is 19 percent the annual installation is over 10-year period and the interest rate is at 3.25 percent this is a location map um soft saltwater boulevard and this is an example of the condition of the road keep on going example conditioner staff is recommended approved uh would anyone here like to speak to this item seeing no one move approval second all in favor aye opposed okay thank you very much we are done do we have any r's left can we start with commissioner uh commissioner mariano what you forgot to go this way oh i go that way yes yes [Laughter] i don't know we've done it like that for eight years first thing i'd like to do is make a motion to confirm the city of newport richie councilman actually vice mayor mike peters is a member of the tdc he's our council's choice for that spot um councilman davis has since retired or not sought re-election i guess or maybe turned out i don't know how it works over there but um motion to uh can you say it again i'm sorry i'm making a motion to confirm the city of newport richie's appointment to the tdc which is vice or deputy mayor mike peters that was your choice okay all in favor aye aye opposed okay all right i know you're not feeling this i'm gonna try i might skip something um

again i know everybody with on this on the dice was there i was at this uh event but may 5th we held the annual florida sports coast awards banquet at the hyatt place in westy chapel sold out crowd legit sellout because we even had to turn people away the last minute for it which was pretty awesome that way next year the people got turned away buy your tickets earlier you'll get in so thank all thank you to all my fellow commissioners for attending dan kathy was there sally was there if i'm missing anybody that was there joanna was there ralph was there ralph were you there yeah you're over there that's right okay andy was there but no thanks to everybody that um came that evening it was a great event thaddeus bullard aka wwe superstar titus o'neil did a great job of his speech um photo on the screen just wanted to highlight for that for the people at home that weren't able to attend i had the honor of presenting senate president wilton simpson the tourist development council chairman's choice award for all that he's done for the state and pasco county being a great supporter of tourism from agritourism leading the charge to extend visit florida and more i also want to thank representative randy maggard for attending and many other staff members from other people's offices adam colby the whole entire team at florida sports coast did an amazing job andy did an awesome job of assisting as well thank you andy and ralph you stepped up and thank you for assisting us with a lot of those um selling tables and tickets as well so thank you to that so again congratulations all the award winners senator simpson lisa moore of hampton inn no relation to myself advent health center ice that shops at wiregrass and kathy win wendy longman great event um next year i guess i'll be attending as a um a uh what do you call that a what is that called again a civilian i'll be a civilian attending next year um sir we i'm sorry we can't chairman emeritus of the tdc is that yeah there you go i like truman emeritus for the tdc you have to get your ticket early i think they'll have a spot for me uh last week the port richie cra board voted to recommend removing another neighborhood from their cra boundary great news i know something we've worked on for a number of years so i appreciate their current council in the current city manager for moving forward that it's uh it's working a lot better so it's greatly appreciated final vote will be um sometime next week because they have a cra board and it's the same people on that sierra orders as the city council so i would assume they'll go ahead and vote yes again since they voted yes already um last thing um i did talk to mr carbala

about this a little bit earlier meadowpoint boulevard for any of you familiar with meadowpoint boulevard you have middle point one two three four and now a number of other neighborhoods along meadow point boulevard this board has approved quite a few new developments out there there's been developments all dating back to the 90s that are now moving forward in that area that connection is about to open from hillsborough county k-bar no actually a real connection k-bar to meadow point boulevard if you remember previously there was three possible connections we said no to the one on um on uh mansfield mansfield and cannon mansfield on cannon but um the one at meadow point boulevard as well as the one off uh beardsley i think yeah beardsley will be opening um if you've driven out there recently it's stacking up traffic is really really bad for those residents we've had it in the plans to widen meadowpoint boulevard now is really the time we need to move forward with that because of all the new development i was made aware of another development it won't come in front of us it'll be it's going to be on a staff level because it already has the zoning and that's opening soon as well i don't remember how many homes there are there that's another one of the rental home communities um you have oh gosh with all the i'm trying to remember all the new neighborhoods out along there what's the one where the charter school is um metro owns it no that's not apple apart that's 54 union park a number of other neighborhoods out there plus recently if you remember past november um they came out here and talked about what the applicant spoke about some commercial as well as the multi-family they're already allowed to have they actually scaled that down but they're actually adding more commercial as well as single family so bottom line is i've been getting a number of calls asking my office has asking when this is going to happen so i would love to see that move forward sooner than later so mr cabala what do we know so it is currently in the lrtp right it is about probably 10 to 15 years out based on that current plan so obviously we need to drop back and and take a look at that between traffic operations and planning i can tell you that we do have some operational improvements uh namely there's a northbound left turn lane on the southern segment between county line and 56 that is is being looked at to alleviate some of those longer backups at the peak morning traffic hours um again the opening of some of some of the additional parallel facilities from the southern portions of hillsborough county would help alleviate that thoroughfare

if once once that's opened but these are we will we will look into this and uh and report back on on that with a plan yeah going back again you know 15 20 years ago we nev nobody here knew how fast that area was gonna grow obviously i get it but this is one of those instances where we talk about you know have kind of trying to get the infrastructure in before all the development comes it doesn't always happen that way so now we're behind way behind and if you again if you ever go out there and i've driven it on many occasions uh it's it's getting pretty bad plus you have parks you have schools along that area metapoint boulevard as well um they're uh they're feeling the pain well like you know as in all road projects when we try and move one in front of another it impacts other things so we just need to look at it in totality madam sure yeah just to kind of touch on you know as much as you know growth was going to come from the south going north and hillsborough county wanted to protect themselves up and down where they didn't get high growth and what that led to was a very poor interconnection of traffic um they didn't care about what we were doing that's why 54 has been so dominated by traffic from the counties below us as well as us um i said for years ago i'll say it again county line road to the north is something we really need to take a look at um so delighted that our state legislator put it up there to get it funded hopefully the governor signs it because that'll be tremendous for hernando and ourselves but we're going to need to take a look at what we're doing up there as well because that growth issue that is on the flip side of one is going to hit us 20 years down the road on the on the other side too so it's something that all the way i think all the way from county line from let's say us 19 all the way across all the way to at least 41 maybe going past all the way to 75 we nearly take a close look at that how we want that develop and i'm talking about just about a half a mile down but to mirror whatever hernando's going to do we want to be able to do on the south side otherwise they get all the jobs and we get nothing on the other side of it we don't want to be on that position and to jump on that bandwagon i would say trinity boulevard we have only two exits from west pasco into pinellas county we have us 19 and trinity boulevard that goes into east lake and it's it's frequently a six light cycle for people to get through that intersection so we have these these pressure points that we need to look at and again that light is in another

county right um right so uh something that we have to work on together but yeah it's a problem when we don't this is why i'm such a proponent of connectivity and and um if we had mansfield open you wouldn't have that problem over there yes you would because they don't go anywhere well i don't you know i don't know those threads but there's nowhere to go for the you can understand that would just be going to another neighborhood well they don't that's not it poorly designed they should have had some kind of grid system yeah we should have worked with hillsboro to have connections between the two and and not put schools the way we did right on that road i mean it was kind of a yeah kind of a um formula yeah unfortunately there's nothing we can do about it now because it's already done those those dras and pd's were approved many many many years ago now we're at this stage and forget you can just take out the hillsborough connection i mean that's actually kind of my least concern to be honest with you because it's pasco county's development that's going along meadow point boulevard i mean that's where the majority of the development is along there yes there's we know there's gonna be cars coming from hillsborough but the the majority of them are gonna be our current residents that traverse up meadowpoint boulevard so i just think we need to look closer at it again we can bring it up and have a discussion at the um npo what i like to do is we'll get it we'll get an account we'll work with staff and the team members we'll get a count of currently how many homes were in that area how many multi-family apartment complexes townhomes the whole nine yards as well as what's in the works and bring that back to let you guys know how many people are using that tune lane right yeah so i guess you would use transportation impact fees from that zone to fix roads in that area so right and they're coming in because they're building like crazy from something else i don't know what it is i don't know what else is out there so there's really when you think about that um in the city [Music] no i'm in district 2 it's not district 2. but it's not in the same commission district is what i'm saying no i'm not i'm talking about impact transportation impact fee yeah which is where you get the money to fix well you also have to look at what came first and middle points and all these things were there before the other ones so take care of the people that have been there in the long run you all answer him yeah it's in the use zone yeah so you use the transportation impact fee money in the east zone to fix problems like that correct that is for capacity related projects you can't you can't take from our impact fee money to fix your zone so um well i could i'll just get the votes to do it [Laughter]

now you can only really take from commissioner four's district there is a limited amount of ability fees you can take from other districts but it's very limited yeah yeah now however the second local option gas tax can be spent county wide and that is also used for that's our pothole money no that's first local option the second local option is for capacity improvements anyways we'll bring it back we'll look into it i'll work with the team we'll bring back some numbers for you so you can take from one of your other projects and move it over to that project i'll take i don't know any projects going on over there commissioner fitzpatrick okay i don't know what's coming up first from starkey i will mention yeah i'm insulated from your grubby hands you got a take from fitzpatrick and mariano in the middle excuse me kelly from county line road that he just brought up so i attended several events over the past couple weeks one was the law enforcement memorial service two fridays ago so i would like to say to remember to honor all of our law enforcement officers and to thank them for all the work that they do every day and i spoke quickly but as you're showing the photos next i did attend the tourism banquet as well and i would like to congratulate senator walton simpson for the chairman choice award and i would also like to discuss and mention thaddeus bullard was the keynote speaker i found it very informative especially since the next two topics i'm going to speak about he had told everyone to take out their phone and whether you do it now or you do it later today take out your phone and text someone i believe in you and i think it's really power a really powerful message because you never know what seed you're gonna plan so next there should be one more photo maybe i also after the law enforcement memorial service that day i attended the reach housing affordable and resiliency conference in saint pete and i feel it's really important that we are continuously addressing continuing to address our senior homeless and workforce population to make sure that they have affordable housing and housing in the area i know one of the topics that was brought up was inclusion inclusionary ordinance and then lastly i also did attend last friday the pasco housing authority community collaborative meeting last two topics that i would like to just put out there so people can start thinking about i would like to continue to work with the school district on opening parks before and after school so just to put it out there so others can start looking or helping push that forward i think it'd be really important if we can start at opening the

playgrounds at the schools after school and on weekends especially with the summer coming up it will help get our students and our children off their video games all the time and maybe their parents can go with them to the playgrounds or we'll give them another opportunity to go and get out of the house and not be playing on electronics and lastly i know stations two and four we have the funding for stations two and four and they're looking to be on the budget next year but if we already have the funding for two and four i would consider pushing them up to be on the budget this upcoming year and then we can work on how we're going to fund the staff thank you mariana thank you i do have a few items one of them come up today uh when dr blanco come forward and he made the mention of we should change a look at changing the rule of having residential um requirements on ec property so i think it's makes a lot of sense we we found out that our multi-family for apartments were good for the next 10 years anyway there's enough traffic up and down 19. i think we need to shift gears and take all the ec properties uh and allow them not to have residential if they so choose anyone you want to create with that i don't disagree i think that the just and i'm not i would want planning staff to weigh in but my recollection of the reason why we were doing that was so people could live work and play right just like what's that place that's down there um in uh um uh in pinellas county by the airport with all the businesses and the residential that you went i didn't get to go on that trip i wish i had but um jabel's right by there airline no well yeah this is caroline yeah so that's an example of where you have an employment center and residential all together and so people can just live there and work there so i don't i think it's it's a good planning thing to to be able to have that kind of opportunity and the ideal is good for that however if you have a large person that wants to come in and they don't want to have residential they want to have all employment center why would i want to discourage that keeping the option there is good but if i've got someone especially at this point right now we've got to create 150 000 jobs in the next 20 years then let's let them decide if they want to have the residential component or not not make it mandatory give them the flexibility so it's there but don't make it mandatory that they have to have it

that's the change i want to make so let me ask um is so we don't have any planners well okay we have one here but not the head guy um so i'm thinking about north point um thinking about north point where mettler toledo and touchpoint and all came in and they had to come in and get a change to put those con those are those apartments or condos there so what where why did they have to go through that because they wanted that there and others are required to uh so the employment center uh as a land use and the employment centers in pud are both the only portion i believe uh that we have that actually contains a minimum of each of the different types of uses as well as the maximum so they were either under one of those or over one of those and that's why they had to make those changes but that is something i'll make sure that i'll pass this on to terry our director uh terry pitos and and maybe at the next planning commission meeting we can have an agenda item to discuss this briefly and discuss it further in more detail when he's available and we can see how you would like us because we wouldn't want to lose a big um employment opportunity because there's not enough space because they're required to have multi-family and we've generally supported uh comprehensive plan amendments to something like an industrial land use uh in those situations where you can you can remove the the ec land use from it it's just a time consumption issue and if they're wanting to move quickly that's the problem manager i mean i let the county attorney weigh in i think if i'm not correct commissioner that's what he's stating we don't want to have to go we don't put you through that process we don't want to put the applicant through that process correct what can we do as a board to change that policy now in high point would think when they came in they wanted more residential to come in to make it offset so they could actually sell the property and still make make the deal work so they went the other way and actually put more residential than more commercial yeah and well i wanted to mr stein's letter so to answer your question what you have to do is change the ec requirements in the comp plan or the land development code wherever they reside and they may be in both yes it's in both there's uh the ec in the comp plan would need to be changed and then the that requires a ec mpud in the land development code that would need to be changed so you would have to direct staff to process those amendments

and i also think we should be taking into consideration all the new multi-family units that are already on 54 instead of having to add new multi-family in an employment center on 54 we should take looking take into consideration all the multi-family that surrounds it within a square mile radius or rate square radius well kind of kind of should be approved building on what she's saying it would be really good if we did our planning so that say dr blanco's um property comes in um that people who want to access working there don't have to come down to 54 and go go back up that they should be connecting to you know bexley or whatever's over there and and be avoiding getting out on 54. we're going to really shoot ourselves in the foot if we use 54 and 52 for everybody to get out of their neighborhood and to the grocery store it'll be eventually a parking lot we have to have alternative roads to use all right so i'm going to make a motion for staff to look at an item to bring back to us to change the land development code um local zoning ordinances to go forward to remove principle plan and comprehensive plan thank you uh to remove it and bring it back to us um as quick as possible okay all in favor all right hi i was waiting for you to call it madam chair just to be clear north point was not an ec land use okay it was just a normal mpud okay because they had to come in and change some things it was approved way before we had ec is the land use okay okay uh anything else yeah i've got a few things okay uh tampa estuary program is going to be meeting next friday and one of the things mike they had mentioned was about reclaimed water i didn't want to bring the conversation up today because i knew we were going to be pressed to finish what we had to get done in the morning but do you have any any idea what they're going to do as far as like asking us to treat our reclaimed water more at this point short answer is no i think that that is a voluntary thing with the estuary committee i mean they were there was a consortium on nitrogen as i as i recall but um you know we we currently meet our permitted standards for secondary for for reuse and that's where we're planning to stay for now okay i'll i'll find out more if they're going to go further i just thought you might know or might have heard um when we had the fertilizer rodents we're also talking about how the nutrients get into the waterways um and i'm wondering what the board thoughts are for those that live on canals though that live on the waterways that go out

to the gulf do we want to look at maybe some you know to have our group go out and take a look and kind of advise people maybe they should be holding on to their grass um instead of letting it you know kind of go into the canals by blowing it in as you're mowing the grass back and forth same thing with trying to caution golf courses or other other properties along there to make sure we kind of minimize the amount of grass that gets in our waterways anyone have any thoughts to that or i'll move along do you have the picture of the city of tampa uh the map is fine so um colleen my assistant and i went down with some staff folks um sammy hughie and ellen bill come and we took a look in in the city of tampa all the baffle boxes he had done and they've actually started in these 20 some odd years ago and they showed us what some of the older ones the newer ones and how they had gone through and done it and i think it's something that's going to be coming up strong every time i'm talking about these environmental conferences right now they're bringing it up um these are the areas they're right across from the uh convention center going across there's a park that's there and they've got these facilities that take all the water be well before it goes into the gulf way holds on to it they take the sediments out and they also collect the trash uh certain neighborhood areas this is a lower income area where all the water coming down actually there's not lower come here but it takes the water from all the way down those streets and like at neptune you see those in australia it captures all the debris before it gets down to the waterway next picture and then it kind of shows you there's a there's an overview of a couple more out there give another picture or two uh actually that pre that last shot you just had now there's a picture how they actually work at it uh into these covers that are there they can lift them up go through and protect it there's some monitoring devices about how much sediment they've taken out uh start at the park uh keep going this is when they lift the cover up they take a vac truck that goes in there they suck all the debris out take all the trash from the screens that are out there so the water that gets released is done out and they haul the trash away it's a lot easier to take it up beforehand that's how it can get cleaned thereafter so this was probably done just about a month ago and uh just starting to build up go ahead now that's how the leaves can even just

go in in fact that actually comes right by the little league park we just saw in australia where the leaves are going in there and we actually said you know maybe you should get a program together to collect all the leaves before they even hit that but they're working on that and maybe putting some screen that goes up two feet on a fence so it doesn't go past the screen just like on the original extension yeah to block the animals so there's a couple that were along the roadway go ahead wow they have a lot of potholes or manholes right in a row right there just because they're collecting all the trash as it goes down look at all the trash that goes in there and they they get that before it hits the waterways are they usually a set of three or is it usually it's three yes and you can see the first this first segment box collects the most and it gets minimized after that now keep going and this one here i really like this is going into see the waterway that's right there so the runoff from coming up the street comes all the way down and if it doesn't get collected from the rocks and everything right there it'll wait there's a seawall that goes up there just a little bit and then it gets treated again before it releases out there if a big storm surge comes in it's going to come in but to that level which is pretty much takes care of it uh they're actually in in great shape they're holding the water back and then treating it before it releases back in so i want to i want to commend them they've done a phenomenal job for 20 years improving their water quality as well as improving the safety of all the people to actually reduce flooding from all the stuff they're doing and their waters i'm sure are much cleaner and clearer much cleaner i mean they're making some great progress if you saw one of the pictures on the map on the east side of the tampa bay there's the one side in the middle of the i think it's the gandy bridge in that right side of the map the eastern side of the map where they have these baffle boxes that water quality is great when they go the other side the same bead side there's no baffle boxes there that we saw um water quality isn't is losing more more than any place in the area so i did a check out well i tried to do when i was getting my my dive um permit or whatever you call it um we went and dove along gandhi this was 30 years ago oh it was so dangerous they pulled us out of there because you couldn't see the person in front of you and we were just all beginning divers so they um they said the conditions were too bad and too dangerous so yeah i'll tell you when when they did the remember the big wakeboard open they had about 10 years ago when they first like going through the park they ran it down in the in the in the bay in front of the convention center

just watching the water as brown as it was going through those skis you talked to them later on they couldn't wait to get out of that portion yeah and get back up to sunwest where it's much cleaner okay um so just to say that's what they're doing there they have this nice thing which is maybe something mike we can incorporate blowing leaves into the street grass as well is illegal in your tick in the city of tampa that's probably a good thing to pass out to kona ship it along the way just so people know that you don't want to clog up all your drains and this is kind of one of the things they say so just an opportunity to take a look at it and what this is what they do is they they just promote it get it out there and i think it helps them okay um now i got i was at a place on my birth my wife took me up to the wikiwatchie rogers park a place called the upper deck she had been up there probably two weeks before three weeks before with some friends who are doing some kayaking so there's a picture of the sign of the entrance of the park take a look healthy yeah so take a look at this right here as you look at the steps that are right there this is kind of what i showed you about pictures of switzerland talking about hudson beach if we took a sea wall stepped it down what people get into they've done it here if you look on the other side see the sea well in the backside the sand that's over there that's their beach area now my wife said years ago when she took the kids up it was all a sandy area that was kind of went into the canal and what did they do they put the sea wall up and they'll show you a picture in a minute it steps down a little bit to make it safer and now it holds all this all the sand from going into the canal and you could create a swimming area the steps going down they put even bags down the end but here it is we can like walk right into the water and go uh keep going there's an area where people can kind of put their feet sit there or even sit on the edge of that and go into the end of the water and it's a great swimming area which we can do we can mirror this frankly at hudson beach just like we talked about they only did this a few years ago right so we're gonna go pull the permits find out how they did it how they applied et cetera take a look at it but we could have a great area in front of hudson beach instead of on the side canal where you have all the fishermen and all the e coli etc this would be great golf access directly in oh yeah he does you can wall it off just like them keep going kind of nice and easy see well and then you got the drop down go ahead they do a nice thing too which i think we should take a look at they get a big recycle container there too i think we should take a look at having

that something like that in all the parks as well to kind of collect the recycles right here um you know hearing a study about the burners that we have coming in when burna fall comes in as much as we're going to be burning our trash as we try to time it we're still going to be at capacity so we need to get three cycles out of the line this park right in here is a little setup it's not a splash pad but just a nice little park for the little area for the kids to play keep going this is where you can pull up in the parking lot if you have a kayak launch and you want to take your kayaks out you can slide around there if you've got a little boat you can put a little boat on there too made it nice and easy uh i don't i think we just do probably kayaks at hudson but here's a nice little walkway so if somebody's even in a wheelchair they want to get down to the water they get a shot to get down there there's only a couple of feet deep in that area and obviously you control it you can make it work well keep going that's the last one okay so just to say that as you seek forward i'm going to be working with keith and coming back with something again to take a look at what they did there and make that project take a look take a better look um next thing i've got uh the lynx golf course those you know closed several years ago we cited them on before we had a new ordinance in place we've cited them to the old ordnance uh they were going to contest it because we filed the determination from our zoning administrator saying that we find them in non-compliance with a development agreement which said there's like seven or eight parcels that have to be a golf course until it goes back for a public hearing um they've got pine trees literally 30 feet away from residences property lines which to me as those trees get taller you saw the pictures today where the pine trees can get burned pretty easy and those can get to homes and can transfer over so i don't know if we should be waiting for these guys to keep stalling [Music] go forward because right now they're coming with mpd which they're trying to put all the homes they can right into existing area that's already zoned for residential floor with smaller lots and then using the golf course that's out there that already has drainage in place to use that drainage and other drainage uh when this golf course was designed around homes where it actually takes a lot of drainage so i'm gonna work on staff a little bit more but if you hear any more about it um last last thing before we talk about

leisure beach i think we all heard about this but i think the need to do this right now is probably more important at least consider it there's a property tax benefits for persons 65 or older that we could actually adopt um you've got to be low income below a threshold you've got a house that's got to be uh under 250 000 good luck on that one well it it well yeah i know it's going to change a lot but but but think about the smaller homes that may be under that point and the income people where you know you get a retiree that's only been making 10 grand a year 20 15 15 grand to get whatever all of a sudden this year alone our cpi has gone up eight and a half percent that's a pay cut for every one of those seniors i just don't think we have any houses under 250. when all the seniors purchased their homes 30 years ago they were only 60 000 or less so and if they can only increase so much every year on their property taxes or the assessed value can only increase so much then this will help them to keep their taxes low yeah and if you know all the other costs of the scenes you're facing because yeah granted you look at the cost of a lot of different things but if the cpi has gone up eight and a half percent that's been quite a kick for our seniors if you want to try to help them stay in their homes we could give them a break going this way here and as you say commission starkey most of the homes are over 250 but the ones that aren't that are lower income they're the ones who probably need the most help as well so i think we should maybe take a look at it maybe have staff bring us back what a cost analysis would be before the next before the budget's actually gone through for the next step that sounds like we should take a look i don't mention yeah mr steinsteiner may be able to answer this if not ralph you're probably better fit besides most people there's a number of of um [Music] exemptions already and there's some for seniors i thought there was on the bass recently was that am i incorrect there are multiple homestead type exemptions that have been passed over the last 10 years some of which require the board to adopt an ordinance to implement some we're self-executing um i believe the firefighter uh the one that was passed this session was self-executing right right my recollection is that that the one that was available for senior citizens this board never implemented okay

but that would be that was because generally the you've got only so much general ad valorem tax taxes um but that would be a question for for omb what the you know what the impact would be if if you implemented one and like i said with business should we keep track of them all you know what i mean oh you know and i believe it's a big one no it's a big one and let's face it we keep our tax i think better better down than most no question in my mind but i'm just looking at the situation right now with the the housing crisis out there we just approved a place for affordable housing coming up i think it's worth taking a look and see what the numbers are because if it helps keeps the seniors in their homes that are just had their effective disposable income crushed another 10 percent because of all the other increases out there they have to pay it may be worth taking a look at so if the board's okay let's have staff bring something back to us to as we go through this budget process to find out what the impact would be if we did it and frankly you know we have the p best changes come that may help them but may make us put it higher on other people oh yeah so that's the only thing is when we do that the costs get borne by everyone else so that's what you have to be careful about yep madam chair again i'm not saying for or against anything but again just beware of you know we're going yes going through the budget process um unfortunately i think that might have been something to look at a little bit in the past but i understand things are changing on a day-to-day basis like you mentioned before but you know we have a lot of needs out there right now we have you know the firefighters that you know that are asking for more we have you know in the and we're talking about the growth and then the sheriff's office needs additional thing i have got akkas over here that obviously have certain needs as well and since you did mention you know we keep ours lower than most of the surrounding counties obviously a lot lower than hillsborough and pinellas and if you're within some of those cities you're going to be paying a lot more and then you have to take you know you also take a look at who uses resources right so who who's going to use fire rescue let's just be honest

an ambulance is more than others they're going to have a certain population that's going to be more apt to have to use those resources so you know i mean i'm listen i'm i'm bringing up you know looking at new development to have to pay more for for fire rescue and the sheriff's office and mr steiner's going to bring something back to see if that's we can even do it if it's even legal better at our budget meaning the future so trying to look at different avenues i just don't want to get to a point where if we have we lose a big source of revenues those resources depleted we're not offered able to offer the service level to the extent those individuals actually need you follow me i just don't want that to happen so because if anybody says it you know or anything can't can't get to the call those people are going to be in worse shape uh yes i was we have funds that help for we have funds that help with the pvas program for citizens that can't afford it but could we allocate any kind of cdbg funds or anything for our seniors or any additional funding specifically for seniors that are having a hardship so they don't become homeless due to the increase in taxes and their property value their taxes and their homeowners insurance kathy pearson assistant county ministry of public services we do have a program for seniors and that they do qualify they just need to fill out an application through the community development program so and that's for taxes and homeowners insurance not homeowners insurance just taxes okay thank you okay and we have the water we can help with the water payment and others okay last subject um kelly's kelly funk is still here maybe even have kelly talk about the homeless situation which she just saw and what she thinks 998 square feet not one piece of grass good afternoon kelly funk with county administration and we want me to talk about what we saw up and yeah just talk about i mean we had to cut you short a little bit for the presentation we had so yeah i mean which was great work so i want to have a chance to talk i appreciate that commissioner um we have been really uh blessed to have a great team together on the west market action committee that's facing a lot of these complaints and issues that are coming from your staff primarily as soon as you get a call that comes in for code enforcement or homeless camp we've been working with trying to get all the disconnects that are involved with that

like i was mentioning earlier there are several different departments that are involved in cleaning up just one dump site and aside from the trash and junk it's wrapping around services to the people who are living there as well and then hopefully finding those who wish to have home a home or employment getting them to where they need to be the disconnect the disconnect really comes from those who don't want services and what we're finding is obstacles on ha and challenges on how to deal with those so i look to you for hopefully some guidance um again we do have a great action committee that's putting together some formulating some thought um i'm very very impressed with the way that everybody is really reacting to this situation i know that when trisha shade went out and took a look at it was her first experience in dealing with a homeless camp so i think we may just take the entire group there to get a little bit more of an awakening commissioner starkey and i have been working on this for numerous years in the holiday area but again my eyes were completely opened when we took our tour to just a different type of homelessness that's happening what we found is that the majority of everybody who's complaining has one common thing and one thing in common which is generally an absent landlord who owns the property and we're having issues with trying to trespass them the agreements are expiring within one year it's very difficult to keep track of that it's time consuming and paperwork involved and i know the sheriff's office is doing the best that they can but for numerous years again as commissioner sturkey brought up earlier today about the rental registry that is sort of why we started that back in 2016. uh was uh remotely primarily because of residential um absentee landlords but it's falling over into our commercial and now it's really becoming an an extreme problem on us 19. yeah and i'll say uh sally your team's doing a phenomenal job out there working on these things there's a building that was in the picture just south of tower drive there used to be old errands furniture it's still owned by aaron the population of homes is behind there they're actually using their property edges to actually do different things out there as harry was saying from the the raps place um if you can maybe talk to them cite them or get them to maybe protect their property because it is the through way for which you know a lot of the backside of leisure beach travels commissioner thank you based on your conversation this morning i've already notified staff and they're looking into it thank you very much

um what we did on that property behind the walgreens or cvs and trouble creek which is your district i guess we we sent a letter to the landowner and he didn't respond to clean it up and so we physically went to his house in palm harbor and we cited him for uh operating a camping site without a permit and it really got his attention and he he cleaned it up he didn't finish cleaning it up and someone moved into the part that he didn't clean up um and he what's frustrating is he had the no trespassing sign and the agreement but it was our code enforcement who had to take the action and maybe that's just what we have to do i think so and um and i think i mentioned that was an fgua well site and they had to shut the wall down for fecal content so people around there lost their god knows what they were drinking for a while so until they tested it yeah yeah my my district actually stops at marine parkway so a little north of that but um i will say you know attorney jeff steinsteiner did a great job i think showing us the different success things they had and that camping was one of them so i think our code team is a lot to work with to go put the hammer but i think it's going to be frankly we need to make sure these we've got to simplify it you know i don't think we need to renew a trespass agreement every year maybe we can set a meeting up and try to work work that situation out if we can't write it ourselves if we just have that in place it's a tool we can use to cite all these different violations that our code team can go and we can put the resources to code to shift some of the responsibilities to go focus on this i mean do we know any idea how much like you know the mental illness the the drugs are costing us to run these things i'll tell you we've been asked that question numerous times and that's one of the things that we're going to start looking into now um is trying to find some cost analysis of the repetitive not only is it is it recidivism is it this you know what what is what is the problem of the same people going back and forth and then the total cost not only um in and out of the jail in and out of the mental with the fire rescue on the sheriff's end and is it cheaper to house somebody i i mean that's what we're trying to find out some numbers right now for you all right well i appreciate all the great work you're doing i know this is not the only thing you're doing but again the presentation was great um i thought thank you we should bring it back up so thanks for hanging out for the day for us thank you appreciate you all thank you and madam chair i know we had this discussion last year when we were uh in dade city on if we can extend the life of

this forum it's the sheriff's it's the sheriff not us well alex alex alt was here last time i don't know if he's still here today but we had had this conversation so i would just like to have an update from him next time well you know kelly's got this wonderful committee and alex is on it and i hope that's a discussion for your committee to and all of us to have to see if we can move that too absolutely different solution absolutely we'll bring it to their attention and see if we can get you some numbers for next quarter okay all right um jack you're done thank you okay county administrator oh you me all right i do have an update do we do jeff no wanna do jeff what's the order am i out am i out of order a little i thought we'll do jeff first i thought i did just do this i want to go late yes ma'am later okay jeff um i threw away my script during the during the public hearings this afternoon ms wilheit referenced um the issues with conflict zoning and i tend to agree with her in fact i did i agreed with her when i became county attorney um i'm not sure i agree with the proposed fix that she threw out today which was that it needs to be done during the comp plan updates the the issue is that um in 1989 90 when the comprehensive plan was adopted and the future land use classifications were changed it created conflict zoning in fact most jurisdictions addressed that conflict zoning in a one-time county-wide rezoning shortly after they adopted their land or with their land development regulations um administration at the time decided that they wish to proceed or the board i don't know which they decided to proceed that they would identify the conflict zoning when the developer tried to or the homeowner or whoever the property owner um adopted it wanted to do something with their property um so my recommendation if if this is a if this is a concern for the board is that we do conformance zoning um like we should have done um back in the early 90s um it i thought it was going to be done when chapter 500 was revised um [Music] a couple of years ago i realized the

planning department is busy but um at some point at some point we're going to have to address that issue um because you have situations like occurred with mr dempsey today yep anything else that's it all right yep okay um just an update on the uh jail transition with getting an external auditing firm to help us with the transition um i believe that we have completed our comprehensive list as of last week um there's very many items on the list now that we we feel that we've identified the everything that we can in regards to the transition however there are unknowns within those items that we need some further detail as we get into it now the list is so large what we're going to do is start to pare it down this week talking with the county about that we have a my my inspector general has a jail tour tomorrow you know to look at assets and things like that to figure out what's going to stay what's going to go and to get a better understanding of things and that'll help us to pare down the list right now the list is so large that it would not fit within the limits of what the board has approved to fund an external auditor to come and do they what i'm going to call a transition accounting it's not really an audit it's more of a counting of everything that the county is going to receive and hopefully that will get done this week we'll work with the county's project manager on this project as well as the sheriff's point of contact for us so hopefully by the end of the week our goal is to have the list paired down to then submit it out to three firms to get a quote back which would be in line with 150 000 that was approved by the board earlier okay that's my update thank you madam chair what do you think about the timeline to get this done that's another reason to pare down the list what we're looking at is keeping the things on the list that are essential and those that are non-essential that can be done with the county and the jail working together to get the information to help one minimize the cost of the transition accounting and two allow it to occur within the time frame that it needs to it is a very tight time frame there is a lot of stuff right now that's on the list once i get a finalized list i'll have a better feel for how long but right now if we were to do the things on the list there's no way it can get done in time okay are we are is our staff and you are we all working

together very well yep thank you i appreciate that okay i'll go next and then we'll let dan go um commissioner i want to talk to you about the schools issue so that was one of the things i ran on when i ran for school board and i tried and tried and tried to get the school district to get rid of the fences and the way it works at pasco county schools is they they give the map of the school when they're building a new school to the principal and they let the pr they say where do you want your fences and they have carte blanche to wrap up the schools and keep the public out and it's you know i grew up playing on school grass you know after school in the summers flag football whatever and and i would take pictures all through florida and all through the country of other school districts who don't do that and a great example of schools that don't do that here in pasco county and i think the community would have a fit are the ones in date city they are not fenced so the school feels that it's keeps the school protected from vandalism i went to a national school board association meeting and went to a seminar on school safety this was after the columbine shootings and their national experts said those fences all those fences do is keep good people in and um and because someone is going to vandalize the school isn't going to be stopped by a four foot or six foot chain link fence but um one of the tenants of of a community like say like longleaf where we put a school in the middle of it and couldn't get the fence removed is that when there are more people walking around and when there are more people with eyes on something it's safer if no one's there no one's seeing what the bad actors are doing so there are ways to keep school safe there's no reason for someone to be walking the school the halls of a school in the summer but certainly the green space which is taxpayer-funded should be open so what and dave and i have worked on this forever and ever and ever and i do believe we have three schools whose put the way the school district did did it if i recall is that they let the prin they put it out there to the principals and the principals in the county had the opportunity to decide if they wanted to be a park um and work with us and i have no idea how that's going that the idea is that when school is out it's similar to what we did at starkey k-8 so we do have that one when school is out the county takes over the green space and it it

acts and functions as a county park and we take on the liability and when school starts then it's the school district's liability so i i'm first very frustrated by the um the lack of action on the school district so yes follow-up please yes okay so longleaf there's supposed to be three schools or four schools that are in agreeance and opening after school on weekends they are longleaf um schrader and b baynet point middle school and i believe there is a fourth school it's one by kelly um i don't remember the name of that one by you that's supposed to be uh open as well and after speaking at a meeting reagan did say he was in agreeance and he would push to move forward with this which i would be really excited and if we could even i don't know how long it would take but if we could do this after school weekends and of course we have summer coming up and if we can even team up with hoas or someone in the community if the schools or we don't have the manpower to go out and give keys to everyone then maybe the president of the hoa can delegate someone to help and coordinate opening the schools before and after school so i think it's really important i do believe we have an rls for requests for legal services in this area so i'm gonna continue to work on that and i would like to see this move forward i think it may take legislation personally in tallahassee um okay so moving on um i did go out to wisteria um if you remember we had the hearing um about the road and we told the engineers um uh with kb homes that we wanted that road to go north and apparently some stakes were put out that got some people very upset so we had a big meeting out there with their engineers and our folks and ray gad and um the other engineer from tampa civil i don't remember his name that lives on that road and um we think we came up with a really good um solution that everyone was happy with so the engineers from kb i think it's fdc not 100 sure are redoing the road design and um so as soon as that is done i'd like to see it and to share it with the residents on wisteria loop please um um i another thing i think we should still work on or are being able to cross state roads and golf carts i don't understand why if you can cross it and pedestrian it's un unsafe to cross it in a golf cart it makes no sense to me you get across faster so just all of us we need to keep hammering that and that's all i'm going to say for today and i'm going to turn it over to dan bass thank you madam chair board i'll try to be brief as you you're aware mandy and i over the last several years

have made several mission trips short-term trips overseas to and we've been feeling as part of that a call towards a new endeavor in an area of impact so over that period of time we've been working to prepare for and are now ready to announce that later this year we'll be relocating overseas as part of a team that will be providing leadership training and development local churches as well as working with the local nationals and establishing new churches therefore while it saddens me to leave this outstanding team we've developed i am hereby resigning announcing my resignation as county administrator effective 30th of september there's more details in the letter joanna's passing out i will say the words can i express the appreciation have both for the the board and for our team and the support you've given me over the last five years all the work we've done uh everything we could have we've accomplished would not have been possible without that support and so like i said i want to be brief and and thank you and what i would ask sport is that you would accept my letter of resignation no and um direct uh me to have hr begin the process to hire a search firm to conduct a national search for a replacement well we're sorry to see to see you go but i understand when these callings come you need to answer them i do have a ques are you is it with icmi or ice i would prefer that the organization we're working with to not be named if you don't mind no okay just um i've been a fan and follower of that organization through dr gills well dan we are sorry um that uh we're gonna lose you and you've been um gosh you've taken us you know from [Music] well you've uh what new heights i would say in a challenging time and i think we had the right person for the right time going forward since it is kind of a short resignation time and i think you say that you have some pto time so july 31st is your um last date i i was just wondering and i don't even know if this is legal but i was happy with the search company we had last time and just in the for the sake of time and speed instead of going through all that rf whatever that we just used that same company we used before i think it can we do that procurement process i don't know we can try and see if somebody has them under contract that we can piggyback uh otherwise you'd have to go through a competitive process yeah and you know how long that takes and we wouldn't even have anybody for months and months and months so that would be a suggestion i wanted to run it by my fellow board members so that's the

company we used to hire dan and i thought they did a good job dan probably thinks they did a good job some people say they don't really search they just kind of broadcast the opening and then people kind of flock in and i kind of agree with that so no matter who we use i think the process is going to be somewhat similar so i'm just going for speed here what right we met so well your hr director says it's exempt that i haven't looked at the purchasing ordinance right and obviously we'll all want to say some words before you go and and you know you've obviously had conversations with every commissioner before today so we were aware um we will be missed you know so i'll save it i'll save it before you go but we do at some point here have to um name it interim as well so i mean we have some time but at they say at the same time um we probably i don't think we should wait until july to name so there dan can work with that person at least for that 30 day to get him you know again they've been here but at the same time he probably needs to know at least about 30 days ahead of time is that probably about was that fair yeah i think if you named one at the the board meeting in newport richie next month that would give us some overlap time okay okay so we'll look to name an interim yeah at our next new port which board meeting and you're gonna double check that we can go ahead and just piggyback on that one and we can talk about that in our date city meeting yeah saves time it's i think they're again it's just a posting of a job opening and we've done such a good job here they're going to flood in now can i ask let me ask you dan's going to miss the new youth sports complex though what what did you say he's going to miss opening up a youth sports company oh i got you moffatt yeah yeah sorry that one too [Music] i don't want to get into the weeds too much right now because i know you need want to go and we already want to get out of here um but between now and then i mean this is something i think every board member should think about to themselves too you don't you don't always have to do a national search as well maybe there's a we want to talk about people that are here before we go through that process so i'll just put it out there talk about that at the next meeting so do we have to go out nationally or can we hire from within it's i don't i don't think i've ever seen where anyone hired me without it post the job right with the legally posted job you don't have

legally you can whether you use an hr you could actually use hr to do it um or use a national search firm but i've seen cities and counties do a wide variety so i think ultimately it's a board decision and board direction and we will follow how you direct us and i say that because we have to be very conscious of some of the things that have been worked on recently we have moffat for example and um you know some of our internal staff are probably more are going to definitely be more in tune of what's been going on and been a part of that process for a while so those are things we're going to want to consider it's my opinion yep i'm sure yeah yeah and i'd like to say dan i think you've done a phenomenal job here uh you know the process we had last time was i think i think we did a great job with it uh made a great selection um one of the things i really liked that you were an engineer that had worked very closely with the army corps because the tremendous success of getting ridge road done which was such a critical piece for us was phenomenal working with moffitt coming in was part of that process and has led to some great things for the future of pasco so i think uh as we go through if we're gonna if we are gonna consider both which i think we need to consider both between you know hiring from within or going both uh at the interim i think all the awards we've won we kind of want to stack those up so that people can see what we've done here and what's going on uh i do think we get some good qualified candidates here as well that i think if they come out to say look i want to do it they should reach out to each one of us individually and talk with us um and then we can kind of consider the process maybe the next meeting we can have more of a discussion and kind of take that approach uh i want to i just i will tell you the one thing that that troubles me of the timing of him leaving right now to what nikki just mentioned is this in taking over the jail is such a big big deal do we have the time and we have the capacity with him gone with all this stuff going on is this the right time to make this happen right now we don't have a choice uh we've got a choice can is is there we'll take the jail the jail yes oh not not dan leaving the the jail i think is with commissioners right yeah dan's going i mean between the various teams working on it there's a i mean there's a lot of teams working to try to make that happen right we have always said all along since it was the sheriff that that one october was a very aggressive date that we would do our best but it was

still a very aggressive date and as we got more fidelity and what needed to happen that date may float so i mean we've always kind of said that with him and so we're going to try to hit the date but we've always said that's a very aggressive date even the first time you mentioned it to us what was going to be tough well if we get flexibility okay but we i'm just like again again as nikki says all we got to do that we may have to move that date back a bit so we just got to be ready for that as we go forward madam chair there's there's a resolution that'll be coming to you at the next board meeting and it says fiscal year 2023. it does not have october one in the resolution oh but that's that's no no no that so absolutely that's our resolution that that the sheriff has not vetted that that the issue was that we had concerns about october 1st so we didn't want to bind you to october 1st but that's still going to have to be a negotiation between you and the sheriff okay and whether we hire someone from the outside or within is their funding to hire someone sooner so there isn't that extra gap because i feel it's very important if someone's going to be a newest county administrator is coming in they shouldn't be coming in the day we take over the jail his funding stays yeah that person yeah we'll figure that's i mean we'll figure we'll figure that out i mean i understand the concern and i agree with it but we'll figure it out i think it's poor timing there's never a good time no bad bills run out all right it's time to go sounds good is that it do you have anything else i would i would like a motion and approval at least to accept the letter resignation and uh at least have me start the hr process so move move to continue there you go all right so move all in favor aye okay [Music]

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