03.22.2022 Pasco Board of County Commissioners Meeting (Afternoon Session)

we are back in session [Music] [Laughter] it's so funny [Laughter] [Music] went back to being a public corporation the one they have up there is the original one as well and so it's this big huge leather thing and it's got a it's got a dip in it from everyone i got okay got it p56 p56 was published in the tampa times on november 24th 2021. madam chair commissioners denise hernandez planning and development item p56 is pd220129 this item was uh brought to you as a continuance request so the request is to continue continue the item to the april 19 2022 board of county commissioners meeting at 1 30 in newport news second all in favor aye opposed next we got another contract that wasn't on the airport no that's the next one all right item p57 was published in tampa times on january 19th 2022. item p57 is pd220233 this is uh commissioner oakley stated the moratorium on development around the airports uh the last florida county commissioners meeting you um requested a continuance for the adoption this is actually a continuance for the the first reading so the request is to continue the first reading to april 19th 2022 at 1 30 in newport richie which is a suggestion of the board of county commissioners last time discussion i would like to yeah discussion um so we're going to take this time to do the moratorium to set up the moratorium at the same time we could do the ordinance in the same amount of time is that correct we can work on an ordinance commissioner if that's what you're asking instead of like moving forward with the moratorium but i will defer i think we are our county attorney just forget about the moratorium go on to an ordinance and work out a good ordinance for it it's the same amount of time basically you're using staff for well it's not really commissioner it's so you it's the same amount of advertising time right but an ordinance hasn't been crafted yet for the actual regulations which means that that lead time now is going to be built into getting you that before you so the moratorium is to be in place only until the ordinance can get before you and get it get adopted so that's finished the moratorium was crafted that ordinance is done

all it has to be is advertised and and completed and you know advertised and acted on by this board um but i think you'll find that if you if you direct staff to bring forward the changes that's going to be a longer process than adopting the moratorium medal chair all right special thank you what was it again what was the date we said you wanted to continue to first first reading is 4 19 of 22 at 1 30 in newport richie and the adoption is uh may 3rd which is what the board asked the last time we were yeah i just wanted to make sure that those dates right how long was the moratorium for or is it goes until we get i don't know get the word it's it's for 180 days or until you adopt the ordinance at which point that the moratorium would sunset i'm fine following up with with um commissioner oakley and if you want to give direction to craft an ordinance versus going through the moratorium i'm fine with that too because you got till may third that's uh 60 day 30 count counting my head here um so no no it'd be this would be half of that and if any development comes in in those areas during during the time you're working on the ordinance it's going to go it's going to move forward and you're not going to be able to right but i don't think the ordinance actually would change um we really go by fia or whatever faa we go by their rules when we look at things being built around the airport anyway so right now right now you are not that's why fdot is insisting that we adopt these ordinances because the stuff that it should be looked at during the lent the only thing we're looking at is is obviously if it's a height issue right in the in the plane but anything else that is that is in the footprint so to speak is not if it's if it meets zoning requirements right now it's it's being processed no i i think i disagree with that we don't have a tampa international airport for a sarasota airport we have small private airports and we're following the rules for those we do i understand that we're following the rules we're around those airports for building anything so we don't have airport zoning regulations in place not sure what's meant by following the rules around those so there isn't a you have no airport zoning regulations so there's there's nothing that we can impose other than a federal requirement madam chair what's what's wrong with the federal requirement yes first of all this there's been something we're supposed to do this a long time ago they're working on it now we've got the right people involved they're recommending the stakeholders themselves

that you put the moratorium in place until the ordinance can be drafted we'll get a lot of input to make sure we draft it but we need to protect ourselves for the future and by putting the ordinance by putting the monatory in place now you get time to set the ordinance up how you want it to be we technically are not in compliance with chapter 333 of florida statutes so the only way we'll be in compliance at this point in time is to do the moratorium the moratorium preserves the status quo for you to adopt the regulations yes it would prevent any unauthorized development prior to the moratorium starting and only until the ordinance was set up in place especially with the runway protection plan and i believe the stakeholders are definitely on board with the runway protection area which is the in front of the runway i don't i don't see our board doing anything from now to when we get an ordinance in that would affect that unless we don't have the way to stop height or something like that but that's that's aviation rules so i have that's what i'm telling you commissioner is you have no regulations in place currently i think what commissioner oakley is saying is that whatever that height is that you're going to put in the ordinance is that number that we would follow when looking at a development yeah height is only one of this one of the many things that you're supposed to look at at sound height sound and is it also sight and i don't know what site has to do with maybe it has something to do with the rooftops or something what you put on the roof an example would be a roof it was if it was a metal roof it would have a glare or if it was a solar farm then it would have a glare when the pilots are coming into orland for the site visual okay let's i think we're gonna stalemate here that i'm sure um i know what you're asking for i'm saying i said no problem with it your your thought your your mind your train of thought is take the time and draft the ordinance now versus moving down and doing a moratorium and going 180 days i got that i think what the county attorney is stating is that he doesn't that's we don't he does not have enough time in his staff does not have enough time to get the elderness drafted in that amount of time by by the next what would be actually be the second hearing so what you're saying

is uh if we if we don't do the ordinance i mean don't do the moratorium now to protect us to the point that we have the ordinance drafted yeah the whole purpose of the moratorium is so that you don't have new development moving into those protection areas while you're developing regulations and so that and and there is development even in the moratorium that is allowed that staff has looked at and said okay if this moves in it will it can safely be accommodated but the but yeah the the the the issue is that's the whole that's why we why a moratorium was asked for and why it had been advertised and drafted was to to pause that stuff until the regulations were adopted um frankly that that this is one of those since it's a land development regulation it's a joint effort between the county attorney's office and the planning department um but no i you're not going to have an adopted ordinance by may 3rd for airport zoning regulations okay yeah so go ahead sorry so the continuous the suggestion for the continuous last time was to give the opportunity for staff in order and or the county attorney's office to meet with stakeholders there was a lot of concerns that some of us on this dais had as well as some of the stakeholders had in that community we continued it here's i think just go ahead move let's move forward continuous for now because if what's brought to us on the next meeting we don't like it we can say no that's correct you don't have to adopt the moratorium so give everybody give the opportunity everybody put their heads together stakeholders meet county attorney's office staff we're still at a stalemate you can deny it i'm a continuance all right second all in favor post none okay now we are on to [Music] um p58 358 these are roll call votes right yes ma'am yes item p58 was published in the tampa times on february 16 2022 58 pd220098 again as you stated it's the adoption so we're asking that you adopt by roll call vote it's an ordinance by the pasco county board of county commissioners amending the pasco county land development code chapter 600 overland special district areas section 602.8 m3 villages of pasadena hills impact fees mobility fees and development fees surcharges and other

amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for applicability repealer severability and an effective date this was presented to the pasadena hills planning and policy committee on 216 of 2022. the local planning agency found it consistent with a comprehensive plan and recommended approval to the board of county commissioners on february 17 2022 and this one to the board for first reading on three eight of 22. okay um any discussion all right anyone here wish to speak to this item we have no one that has signed up for this item and there's no one on webex for this item okay seeing no one move approval second all in favor all vote you meant okay yeah you do that okay district one commissioner oakley aye district two commissioner moore district four commissioner fitzpatrick aye district five commissioner mariano aye district three chairman starkey aye all right p59 item p59 was published in the template times on february 2nd 2022 and by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings this is also the adoption on this item so we ask that you adopt this item by roll call vote it's pdd220206 an ordinance amending the pasco county comprehensive plan providing for a small scale amendment to the future land use maps map 2-15 issue 11 from res six residential six dwelling units per gross acre to com commercial on approximately 2.51 acres of real property located at the intersection of state road 52 and faithful faithful way providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for repealer severability and an effective date this went to the local planning agency on 217 uh 2022 who found it consistent with a comprehensive plan and recommended approval to the board of county commissioners okay any discussion on this item madam chair yes uh victorious pizza planning development department just a point of clarification for p59 and also p60 um there were there was a revision in the agenda memos for both of those items that was submitted to the clerk uh shortly before the meeting commenced so i just wanted to call that out nothing changes in terms of the recommendation it's just a clarification in some of the text is that this that was handed to us yes we have two of these okay board members any questions would uh anyone like to speak to this item no one has signed up for this item and there's no one on webex for this item i'll take a motion some move second roll call vote district one commissioner oakley aye

district two commissioner moore all right district four commissioner fitzpatrick aye district five commissioner mariano aye district three chairman starkey aye p-60 item p-60 was published in the tampa times on february 2nd 2022 and by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings p60 is pd220207 this is the adoption on this item so we ask that you adopt the item by roll call vote it's an ordinance amending the pasco county comprehensive plan providing for a small scale amendment to the future language maps map 2015 and sheet 11 from res 6 residential 620 units for gross acre to com commercial on approximately 3.27 acres of real property located on the south side of 52 and west of moon lake road providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for repealer severability and an effective date this went to the local planning agency on 217 of 2022 who found it consistent with a comprehensive plan and recommended approval to the board and as mr pedo stated that there's some text changes that were presented to the clerk's office and to the board of county commissioners on this item commissioners any questions anyone in the public was to address this item either here or online so i have no one signed up for this item and no one on webex for it i'll take a motion motion to approve district 1 commissioner oakley aye district 2 commissioner moore district 4 commissioner fitzpatrick aye district 5 commissioner mariano aye district three chairman starkey aye p 61's public hearing madam chairman would you like me to read the perceptions there are two rezoning agendas regular and consent staff will present each application to the board of county commissioners if staff or planning commission has recommended approval and there is no opposition the application will be considered by the board without further presentation if staff or planning commission has recommended denial or if there is opposition to the application the applicant will be given five minutes for presentation the opposition will be given three minutes for each individual or five minutes for a group representative and the applicant will be given three minutes for rebuttal any individual disagreeing with staff for planning commission recommendation or anyone wish wishing to object to any condition of the re-zoning may at this time request the petition to be pulled from the consent agenda which case that application will be heard under the regular agenda later on during the meeting otherwise all rezoning applications on the consent agenda will be approved by a single motion and vote if you wish to speak to any petition please give your name and address and whether or not you've been sworn for the

record these are quasi-judicial public hearings law in florida is that mere public support or opposition of an application is insufficient for this board to take action please limit your comments to those criteria found within the board's land development code madam clerk would you like to swear them in yes if you're here to speak on the public hearing items if you would please stand and raise your right hands all right to any to anything on there all right uh please raise your right hands okay do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth so help you god thank you you may be seated okay p61 i don't i'm sorry yeah and we have two items on consent p61 and p-62 item p-61 was published in the tampa times on march 9 2022. p61 is pd220261 this is the transmittal hearing so we're asking that you authorize take public comment and authorize transmittal to the department of economic opportunity and other reviewing agencies it's a comprehensive plan amendment c pal 2104 chapter 7 transportation element and um this is a transmittal of the transportation element table 7-2 a quarter preservation repealings table 7-2 b providing for map amendments the highway vision plan and functional classification map map 7-36 and the transportation corridor preservation map map 7-35 and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency this went to the local planning agency on november 4th 21 who found it consistent with the comprehensive plan and recommended approval to the board of county commissioners would anyone election i'm sorry is uh scheduled for may 3rd at 1 30 in dade city okay would um anyone like to address this item seeing no one anyone online wants to address this i have nobody online for this no one's signed up okay so we'll keep it on consent p62 item p62 was published in tampe times on february 2nd 2022 madam chair commissioner's item p62 is pd220068 this was um supposed to be the transmittal hearing for this item uh but the applicant has requested a continuance to the april 19 2022 board of county commissioners meeting at 1 30 in newport richie okay is there anyone who wishes to speak to this item anyone online for this no one online and no one signed up all right i would since this was yes so that 62 needs to be pulled off a consent because you need a separate motion to contin to continue it so i would suggest a motion on 61 as a consent item

first and then go on to 62. move to approve the consent agenda second all in favor i post all right uh p62 i'll take a motion to continue motion to continue second all in favor aye opposed and that would be at the date and time that ms hernandez has previously indicated okay p-63 item p-63 was published in the tempe times on january 5th 2022 hello kayla lloyd with long-range planning item pdd220020 is a proposed comprehensive plan text amendment and the name of cpal 2125 cross park pd this is a visual for the subject property it is located in the south market area um the applicant is proposing a text amendment to sub area policy flu 7.1.17 cross park pd to change existing alf assisted living facility slash rehabilitation facili entitlements to multi-family residential and commercial uses the property is located at the southeast intersection of state road 54 and henley road approximately one mile west of lando lakes boulevard resolution to the applicant's proposal is to amend the sub area policy flew 7.1.17 and there is a companion substantial modification to the existing cross park mpud master plan unit development the following policies are consistent with the proposed text amendment the subject property as i said is located at the southeast intersection of state road 54 and henley road the existing future land use classification is pd plan development the applicant is requesting to change existing alf rehabilitation entitlements to allow for high density residential development situated behind non-residential uses to ensure the preservation of employment generating uses along the state road 54 corridor and here is the applicant's proposed conceptual plan reflecting a mixture of parks open space residential and non-residential uses within the cross park pd flu classification and the maximum development potential permitted within the pd flu classification allows for the following 45 000 square feet of medical office 10 000 square feet of retail and 280 multi-family units so there will be a minimum of three gross acres of non-residential land uses located along state road 54 for the 45 000 square feet of medical office or professional office to ensure an integration of employment generating uses within the project area as well as the proposed sub-area policy will allow for a maximum of ten thousand square feet of retail where five thousand square feet shall include but is not limited to a pet center veterinary use and lastly the proposed sub-area policy

allows for a maximum of 280 multi-family apartments which shall be one located behind non-residential land uses unless the development will be vertically integrated with a mixture of land uses and two integration with a mixture of employment generating uses to preserve a balance between residential development and employment generating uses and with that we recommend the bcc board of county commissioner authorized transmittal of the proposed amendment to the department of economic opportunity deo and other reviewing agencies and staff is available to answer any questions thank you thank you is the applicant here good afternoon elise batsell stearns weaver of miller 401 east jackson street we have just a short presentation to supplement that provided by staff um as staff's already indicated the property is located uh southeast quadrant of state road 54 in henley road approximately one mile west of highway 41 that's lander lakes boulevard the current flu of course is pd and the current zoning mpud the property is vacant property today it is in the urban service area and in the south market area specifically i wanted to to point out two things one is that the vision under policy 8.1.2 a is that this area is an urban gateway it is meant for sophisticated residential development with quality design intensity and density necessary to support trans transit opportunities in addition the mission is for high density compact and mixed use development exactly what we're going to be proposing in mpd as well um today and think this is very important the existing entitlements that could be built are alf or ilf or office or neighborhood commercial so it's really key for this particular application because we could go in and do any one of those singularly specifically ilf independent living versus let's say neighborhood commercial drive-through there are no minimum acreages as of today saying that you have to have a certain amount of anything on that site and so what we've done is we've added in minimum acreages and we've added in to our plan a mix of uses just quickly staff already indicated what the project would be under the future land use but just quickly to give you a glimpse at the zoning we're proposing 45 000 square feet of medical professional offices that's going to front on the main road 2 up to 280 dwelling units i don't think the site will actually accommodate that but that's what's being requested under the future land use category this will be vertically integrated the commercial office uses will be separate from the residential leasing

offices and amenities we're also requesting 5 000 square feet of a veterinary clinic slash family and also a family park a pet park a pet park but a family park as well um one of the commissioners was really concerned that we wanted to incorporate areas on the site for a family we're going to have to go back in for that when we come back for the mpud we're going to have some playground equipment and other amenities that you might not see reflected here but you will see those reflected when we come before you again for the mpud [Applause] from the preliminary feasibility analysis the long-range planning transportation staff has determined that the project would result in a net decrease in peak hour trips over what could be built today i think that's a really important fact pasco county uk utilities capacity statement indicates that there's sufficient water capacity and wastewater available upon implementation of the planned improvements the school district says that the development will be subject to school impact fees and a concurrency school review has occurred to mitigate the impact created by the project parks and natural resources no comment and natural resources will address wetland issues on the site during the mpud process the property today has already zoned mpud again for that ilf or alf or office but again no acreage limitations there were several policies that the planning commission questioned during the last hearing so we wanted to make sure that we covered those very quickly for you to address those issues the first one is policy ed 1.4.1 it doesn't apply we have met the provisions of the other policies there was a request for distinction between seven oaks that distinction is in our supplemental report which has already been provided to the record and we have revised uh our planning supplemental report in order to incorporate additional items i did have some discussions with the county attorney this morning and there were a couple of provisions in the supplemental report that he objected to or didn't think were accurate so we have revised the report accordingly and i'd asked to submit those into the record second all in favor all right and we're available to answer any questions the whole development team is here at your disposal thank you very much for your time i'm sure i have some questions before we take public comment okay um to the applicant or to the council

staff both both both the applicant and the staff correct okay both in case there's public comment maybe some of these questions where is the planner that was there where'd she go she's sitting right there oh terry you're going to take the questions okay yeah we can i can facilitate okay um thank you madam chair there was a slide that was just shown by the applicant's um council said it stated less trips staff stated that staff stated there's less trips than what can currently be built today can i'm curious who came up with that and where where's that study and where's the supporting documentation so this is based on the uh traffic analysis that was submitted uh and there was a comparison i believe that was done against the potential uh entitlements that exist for today [Music] terry what entitlements are those i keep i kept seeing ilf but what what are the actual entitlements yeah let me grab my notes okay well i can give you the answer if you want me to so the actual uh entitlements for today that's on the books today right is office 80 000 square feet retail 30 000 square feet and alf rehabilitation 275 000 square feet alf rehabilitation right that's different than an ilf correct yeah we i'd in the analysis that the planning and development department provided it uh we did not consider the ilf arguments that the applicant was making so under this state under agency over healthcare administration um there's a big difference between an ilf and alf and a rehab facility which is actually a sniff a skilled nursing facility i would not be able to answer that uh to be quite honest we didn't make any conclusions regarding what constitutes ilf but the applicant could probably speak to that the mpud if you look not at the future land use but the mpud does include ilf as a permitted use okay all right so what can we include great well well don't leave guys he has said he had questions with the nest do you have more questions david would you is that correct it's true that ilf is a permitted use under the mpd in terms of the trip generation i don't know what was assumed for the prior use i don't know an alf was assumed or ilf was assumed in terms of the trip generation because so

if you're looking at it yeah if you're looking at yeah i i'd love to see some supporting documentation on that because if you're talking about a system facility the majority of those residents of the assisted living facility won't be driving staff staff will staff will be driving um if it's a sniff or a skill nursing facility again residents definitely won't be driving would it be staff so let me let me finish so what so bring me kind of bring me to my point is here we are once again and this my opinion is taking a land use which originally was office you know now we're going to alf ilf skilled nursing and we're going to multi-family and if you look at the job generation that an alf is going to provide or a sniff is going to provide it by far exceeds what employment's going to be generated in an apartment complex which is typically going to be a couple leasing officers and a couple maintenance people well it's a fact i know but that's not all that they're proposing i'm i'm not done yet um but you know we talk about the 54 corridor in trying to save these employment sites continuing to save these employment sites and i've actually personally talked about the need for als and ilfs as well as sniffs along that corridor too and now we're taking again uh taking down a time away once again personally you know that that concerns me and i think about 5 10 20 years down the road um what are we going to have along that corridor another apartment complex that's not creating jobs did you want to answer that about the job okay sure again this isn't an apartment complex it's a mixed-use development with a medical office building with a veterinary clinic with ground floor retail and multi-family units on top so there is this is an employment generating project with respect to the ilf alf what we are looking at and just let me clarify that very first sentence is directly from the staff report so i would have to defer to staff we actually took that directly oh i appreciate that i'm sorry i'm trying to find out the answer of course of course um but with respect to an ilf today we could come in and build just an independent living facility there now and nothing else so what we are looking at as a practical practically and what we believe that you should also be looking at is what we could do today by right versus what

we're proposing and we are increasing the employment generation sizably and we have submitted a study to that effect into the record in addition commissioner moore i don't know if it would be helpful for you but maybe it was helpful it was helpful to the planning commission but the owner of the property did market it for some time as an alf and just didn't get any bytes but he's here if you'd like for him to put any of that information on the record for you as well i mean i and i appreciate that a bit i guess at the same time i mean we have documentation to show how many how long that was we have documentation to show that shows how many inquiries awarded we have documentation that shows how the property was marketed so no he can testify under oath to you as the seller what he's done and that would be just go through maybe i will in a little while thanks so um so how many jobs are generated by an uh an alf i can give you that number i don't know the answer that we didn't study the alf because that was never the intended use on the property okay um one of the things that i found was different on this um is that where and i like this is they'll be building that medical it isn't a proposed building they're going to build the building it's not a pad it's a it's a two-story office building that will be built okay madam chair yeah so to that point i was going to bring that up too um this will be this will be a question for staff what where's the what's the trigger that requires them to build the office what's the trigger that requires them to build the retail in what amount of time does that become does that come into effect madam chairman you wouldn't have those triggers in in your future land use anyway if that's if that's important to the board that could be part of the mqd right the sub area policy mandates the construction of the office building and it is part of the plan to set those triggers in place to capture the retail and office on site by a time certain um the retail part is easy because that will just be part of the building that they're proposing the vertically integrated mixed use it's the office building that's up at the northern corner of the site that we have to identify at which point are they going to build the office building but it's the suburb policy mandates the construction of office so what's the timeline then that would be uh probably established in the mpud itself was being proposed

i'm sorry i didn't catch the question what's being proposed then there has to be a timeline so what's what is that yeah i i don't have that information in front of me wasn't that i mean i would think that'd be important but yeah well i mean that would be established in the mpud so i don't know when exactly that is is it ahead of the multi-family building is it after the multi-family building but it's a it's mandated to be under construction i think if someone mr steiner you can correct me if i'm wrong or mr goldstein um there's been i don't want to say a similar project because nothing's exactly the same but there's been mpds we've approved in the past where we do have almost a time certain of when another product has to be built whether it be you know office or commercial or retail have we not i believe push the button if it's important to the board that the office be developed first as mr stein center said we could put a condition in the npud if the board directs us to do that then ensures that the office predate the apartments did it be built before the apartments are built or contiguous with or simultaneously right because right now again it's i know i'm we're hearing that it's being proposed that it's going to be done we just don't know when so in essence in actuality you could build let's say the apartment complex it could sit there for 20 or 30 years before an actual office building is built in reality that's true right i'm not sure because the the way that the sub-area policy was established i'm trying to load that up right now because there's no there's no trigger no timeline in the mpd so i think we can request that in the mpud so we can put that trigger and i think that's what i'm intent of the sudbury policy is not to have a token office site for the development of multi-family that there must be office on the site yeah we do you know i feel you need guarantees because here we are going down the same road we've gone many many a times so that concerns me along that school 5456 corridor again at one time this was just office then it got converted to al to uh you call it rehab i call it a sniff because that's what it really is um skill nurse facility that's what's under rocket that's what it is um and then a an alf so you know here we are

for really at one time a really great job generating site to moving it to this and then now we're looking to convert it again so the staff informed me that the applicant is willing to phase it in via the mpud conditions of approval i also have dr jamali here to provide some input on the long-range planning determination on the traffic okay thank you well i guess i have a question um well would a 60 000 square foot office building and the veterinarian clinic equal or be greater than an alf yes yes so we'll have more jobs yeah that's that's the thing too the analysis indicated that the build-out of the proposed sub-area policy entitlements which are required unlike the existing sub-area policy entitlements which leave it open these entitlements are required and that would render 93 jobs as opposed to the maximum build-out potential of 47 and a half jobs in a mixed-use scenario with alf that i'm sure is it sixty thousand or forty five thousand square foot of office it's forty five thousand of office and another ten thousand in veterinary medical and uh retail so fifty five thousand fifty five percent so how did how did you do your analysis when it came to how many jobs are in a systematic facility or a skilled nursing facility because they're state there's so there's state requirements and there's some that go over above but you can just look at the where the state requirements hello cynthia spidel uh 401 east jackson street uh stearns weaver and i have been sworn yes in the jobs report in the supplemental report we went to florida fast facts through the state's website and we calculated out that it's 0.44 jobs per bed so obviously we weren't sure how many beds exactly so we had to make some assumptions to convert it and the whole site you know there's no current mix to be forced on the site so i did a couple of different i just did a scenario of an example we used the office of economic growth maximum development potential for the site we made some assumptions as to how much would be allocated to each one and then we use that 0.44 per bed for the um assumption for the alf i got off the state's website you did alf then alf yes yes see i think part of the part of the disconnect is that the site was over entitled so so we can't fit everything that was approved on it and the suburb policy just lists three separate uses and doesn't require a mix and it doesn't require any minimum of any of them and that's what we're improving thank you madam chair commissioner mariano papers we were just

handed under exhibit a um it's got a it's got a date on it it shows 9 19 and then it goes to 12 7 16. and it's at the time it's an mp rezoning request i really don't like getting this type of paperwork when we're going to hear a hearing we should have had this before but it says at the time so back in december of 16 there was a request to the current mpud rezoning to increase the assisted living facility rehab center to 275 thousand square feet it had a hundred thousand square feet before that uh and also to allow eighty thousand square feet of office now i i don't know where's my copy it's it's it's under exhibit a right after this it's a second section of the big thick packet we just got is it number it's not numbered it's but right after exhibit a it's like the next page so what i wonder is we're talking about entitlements changing here changing there but just six years ago there's a major change of this whole facility what is that bell ringing somebody's phone y'all need to silence your phones okay somebody silence your phone thank you maybe it's under exhibit maybe it's under exhibit b my question is i'm not sure why this is here and i'm just saying back then there was a big change from the entitlements we increased the entitlements dramatically yeah i can answer that so when when we were at planning commission planning commission and david goldstein had specific questions of how we are consistent with the existing with uh specifically the economic development policies for promoting economic growth and viability along the corridor so we basically included the current because it we have a pd we have an impedia ready it was approved in 2016. so we included that as backup to show you where we got our assumptions from on the jobs analysis because there is a current mpd approved on the site 2016. so we're basically i just wanted to source where i got my information from in the supplemental report and we only changed two little things we were from what was so this has been uh on the record since planning commission but we did make a couple of minor edits today to clean up some concerns that david goldstein had raised this morning so but the bulk of the data was already in your report beforehand and in your agenda package does that answer your question um yeah it does it's just it's like i said it just shows what was done before

yeah another change coming in so as far as entitlements that were there before to what's here now is this is substantially different but i don't know if it's going to be any better i think that's what you're saying that kind of over entitled it yes madam chair have a follow-up to commissioner mariano so this will probably staff will have to probably answer this to confirm um stating that 275 275 000 square feet is defined at the mpd when actuality if you look at it to me that looks like more of a a campus type of situation where you have i o al and skilled and that's again i'm only making an assumption here that's the assumption i made by looking at the amount of square footage at 275 000 square foot so now you have this you know big campus this transitional campus is what you have you can go from il to al to the skilled or if you have a you know unfortunately you have an accident break your hip or something you can go to rehab and you can come back to the il it's all on the same campus so you can actually so currently now they could have 275 000 square feet of either io ao or skilled or it could be a mix because it could be a mix it's all allowed and then we want to hear traffic so i know the gentleman's we need to answer our question too this afternoon this is amir jamali transportation planner with long-range planning i just want to explain they are reducing their total trip generation because they are proposing to reduce their entitlements almost by 50 because right now they have approved retail for 80 000 square foot so they are proposing almost 50 000 square foot so there is a big reduction in their total trip generation that's why they need even they don't need to do a transportation needs assessment i'm sure yeah and when you speak can you make that microphone closer because i'm sorry it was hard to hear you commissioner moore thank you ma'am um so we i heard a statement earlier there was going to be this is going to be more jobs they're increasing job generation but you're stating there's going to be less trips with the current proposal if you had ao there or a sniff like i mentioned earlier those residents aren't going to be driving it's just going to be staff that's driving but you have a multi-family apartment complex with up to 280 units in addition to the office so wouldn't that not increase the trips yes because the retail entitlements is a big trip generator when they are decreasing their retail so there is a big reduction in total alf

doesn't make that much trip generation generation as a retail or office no i agree with you so i'm still confused on how you came to the conclusion that there's going to be less trips now than there were prior you're building a 280 unit that's he's multi-family he's totally he's telling you what it's entitled to and what those entitlements could generate well it's because they're reducing the entitlement so of the the higher trip generation they can have 80 000 square foot of retail right so they are proposing to have retail almost 45 10 000 almost 10 000. so there is a big reduction almost seventy thousand square foot of retail it's a big or huge trip generator so when you remove that from your entitlements though so there's a big reduction in that well i was just going to say they had 80 000 of retail in office and they're reducing that to 45 000. but now you're saying that they're reducing it from 80 000 to 10 000. no eighty thousand to ten thousand of retail and i think the third increase is forty five thousand yes but they're reducing the eighty thousand of office down to forty five thousand and how many jobs is that worth equivalent to for trip generation we don't look at the number of the jobs we just look at the [Music] itin manuals and they just so i remember when this was when the gentleman with the alf came in for the change is he here yeah hello um i i remember when when that happened and um i drive this corridor all the time i drive down henley all the time and um just so you know henley henley gets you to oh gosh what's the name of that street that i've been trying to get a sidewalk on since i got elected leonard leonard henley takes you to leonard and um which is uh uh kind of a shortcut to 41. well i don't know if it's a shortcut but it does take you to 41. um and i would not be okay with this if uh if they didn't have the office in the front and the vet and the veterinarian space but the footprint of the multifamily is smaller and in the back part it's kind of it's a very funky um layout um a property that they have it's got wetlands um next to it and it's kind of an isolated corner but there is residential down henley but the front has commercial an office actually there's not a lot around there yet but right next door is a is a stanley steemer office kind of they store their trucks

inside the building and so i think that office on the corner there would do very well as a matter of fact i told the applicant i may have i have a friend who does is going to be moving to pasco with a a um medical research facility that needs 20 000 square feet for um retinas and i'm sending him to them so uh could be some great jobs in that medical office building and so i'm i'm okay with this now that they have the office there yes i know we still have to do public comment i think there's people actually i don't know if there are and i see a list over here i don't know what their item they're for um oh nevermind okay um question it might be for the applicant or the applicant's um council or representatives it's no secret that my concern along this corridor is are jobs right um is the applicant not willing to convert all this to office or retail or does he or is he already under contract or under loi with a department developer and that's why we're here today okay but those are done the idea of the mixed use is also supported a lot by your comprehensive plan they put a lot of time and money into this misuse development up until this this point um i don't think that it's economically viable to have that much office right now at that location or retail well we we're having ten thousand square feet of room no i'm just asking i mean either one you know right forty five thousand square feet of office and ten thousand square feet of retail you know the advantage of course from that mixed use development is you're getting office you're getting you're living and working right in the same area and that's exactly what you and your comprehensive plan want i mean in all of these policies so there's just a question yeah i think i assume the answer is no we're too far down the line to convert it all in and we don't think that there's a market for it at this point in time thanks you're welcome okay um we'll take public comment did anyone sign up to speak to this item either here or online no one has signed up for this item and no one is on the line for this item oh okay is there anybody in the audience that wishes to speak to this item seeing none closed public hearing uh board members madam chair so this was discussed a little while ago and staff mitch and the applicant said they were okay with this of having some type of trigger that states

that the office and retail would be constructed at the same time as the multi-family or before is that correct but i think that happens in the mpd as i said that would be an appropriate condition for the zoning when it comes before you okay well and that's that would be important to me as well whose district is this now is this still mike it's mine okay oh yes it was mine when it started all right so i mean well i'll have to wait and see on that i can't be supportive of this my concern what i've said previously is the transportation especially when it's right next to 41 and 54. now they did say it would be about three years for this project to be developed and by then the ridge road extension will be completed and it should take traffic away from 54. i do have some concerns as well because we are looking at an overpass at 41 and 54 because of the traffic congestion so if you do have the traffic studies i would like to see those that was my biggest concern and then i do feel we need assisted living and independent living facilities for our elderly and disabled i feel it's really important for them to have a facility to go to again i don't have any data to back up the studies where it says that we don't need them and then of course i also had the concern with um the kids playing right along ridge road um 54. so those were some of my concerns um if you want to address her concerns um yeah so retail could be mcdonald's burger king and uh circle k chick-fil-a vertically integrated ground floor retail so you know typically you're you have first floor retail under and multi-family i mean if you didn't do mixed use i mean you have how much that's oh i'm just saying that it's sorry it's c1 currently with um pharmaceutical pharmacies and drive-throughs are allowed yeah um and during the mpud a site plan just to address your issues with respect to like the children we are we have been working on what does that look like you know how to make sure that those areas are obviously safe so clearly we wouldn't put it right out on 54. and when we come back for the mpud that's dually noted and we'll make sure that we address it in our plan okay with respect to traffic it is a decrease um compared to what is permitted today i understand traffic is an issue on 54. um i'm really just looking at those benchmarks as it applies to this particular application there is a

decrease that has been shown by the transportation analysis which does uh meet your approved methodology my other question i what i was unaware about was the hundred thousand square foot of the alf or prior zoning and it expanded to the 275 thousand if it was back at the 100 000 what would the traffic have been at that point and previous boards had granted the additional entitlements for an alf and ilf not for multi-family so what would the equivalency be if it was only a hundred thousand i don't know that isn't what's entitled today so i don't know that that was studied as part of the study okay thank you you're welcome okay any other questions okay um take a motion then i'm sure just one more thing for the record before too is that when you do go when you do move from ao il or skilled it does increase capacity at schools that's a fact that people in the ao il and or alf are not going to school so it will have an impact on the schools as well so i just want to remind everybody and and i was going to discuss this in commissioner items but i may not be here depending how long the day goes it is my 30th wedding anniversary and i am going to my dinner um that our comprehensive plan says that the 54 corridor is where the density goes and um and then we've said we want to preserve the job crea job creating sites so you know so when when people come to our county from around the country and read our comprehensive plan and spend a lot of money to design a project that follows what we ask them to follow and staff takes all that time to fo to tell them what it is that our you know what we what we require and what we ask them to do and then they come here and do it and when we make stuff up and now that we make stuff up but we don't follow our plan that's not right that's not right and it makes me very uncomfortable and it's it's you know our plan is to preserve pasco county by putting density where transit will make sense one day and the idea is that you build to you build to that level and we preserve the quality of life in pasco and don't pave over the whole thing and that is what uli came here twice and told us to do and we are following cutting-edge planning principles here and and this is what we asked the development community to do and i i feel we're being adversarial with our staff and with with our comp plan so it's a little frustrating terry madam chair uh yeah um okay commercial

mariano then terry so let's go back in time in 2016. i mean in 16. what we had on here was increasing from 100 000 to 275 for alf okay but also what's on there is your office entitlements and we're trying to push for more jobs as commercial states we had 80 000 square feet for office that's being shrunk shrunk from here retail entitlements were 30 000 square now you can tell me that retail causes more trips but the retail is going to be somewhere it's going to be somewhere in that corridor does it really increase the traffic on 54. compete the retail yes because if people are going to be traveling to one retail or another retail that trips still happen whether it be from there or not but when you're looking at 80 000 square feet of office that's a big drop that's what we had before that's what we wanted to see down there's more office we want we don't want 45 of our population commuting down to pinellas and hillsboro all the time um terry do you know how big the stanley steamer is across the street and and how large that lot is does anyone know have that answer i don't have that answer uh handy left on my head maps is gone from my ipad somehow yeah okay did you want to say something terry uh you're kind of good there's a point of clarification the the way in which we we considered this project from the planning department's perspective was recording literally verbatim of the july 2020 multi-family policy directive that the board issued so we took that policy and we parsed it sentence by sentence and moved through that thing uh that policy directive um and applied those principles onto this particular project the so the site plan or the concept plan that you saw a little earlier is a depiction of that multi-family policy directive even to the point where we made them put the office and the veterinary care up on the corridor edge and the multi-family building was still visible from the 54 corridor because the policy directive says that these buildings should be behind viable employment-generating land use frontages and so because that building was still visible and fronting along 54 we made them integrate and so they they actually met every single aspect of that policy in the site uh in the concept plan that they've provided to us which it was based on the sub-area policy

so we reverse engineered in a sense we site plan the site first to make sure that whatever site plan is developed on this irregular lot complies with the multi-family policy directive in so doing we found that it was also consistent with a series of policies in the comprehensive plan and all that's laid out for you in the agenda memo patrick it's your district you want to make a motion i know they reduced their entitlements for office and they were and six years ago they increased their entitlements for assist 11 which has increased their entitlements for the multi-family but what about keeping keeping it symmetrical or what's the word comparable with the numbers if you're decreasing eighty percent eighty thousand to forty five thousand but you're keeping the multifamily the same so i'm going to pull up the site this is a oh i'm sorry would you fill up the presentation i just think it will be helpful as you look at the site and some of the site constraints too and take that together with what terry was talking about how we we really did go back many times with staff to to find a concept plan that met all of your policies um [Music] i can't assume but if you look here it's a very odd shaped site and the way that the stormwater retention runs you can see it it has to stay in that very awkward location so you're left with this triangular piece of property that you have to develop and there's only certain uses in certain size buildings that will actually fit on that in that corner so if it was more of a square site we might have been able to add more office there but the functionality of parking the functionality and the integration of uses it you know it sort of dictated somewhat what we what we put there in addition we have to go out when we're developing a project and look at what the marketplace is asking for because the last thing we want to do is build 80 000 square feet of office that sits empty or 20 000 feet is fake you know is vacant we want to make sure that we are providing viable uses to actually generate the jobs that you all are asking for and part of that is driven so much by the market we have to look at what people want to buy and where they want to buy it so taking all those things into consideration including all of the things that terry said i mean he and his staff put us through the ringer in a good way it's a much better site now than it was um so the size of the buildings are dictated somewhat by the geography

of the site did that answer your question partially yes but we want to keep more office than multi-families madam chair and i agree with that if you would ma'am yes um i would rather have i'd rather continue this than take it the way it is so let me ask you this we've got 45 000 square feet of office right now we had 80. our main goal is to create jobs in the corridor not just get density would you be willing to go back and take a look at increasing your office up to the 80 000 even if it means you're going to shrink your multi-family back to make that fit can we look at the jobs generation on page 16 of the report i just want to show you something i know that you probably haven't had a chance to delve into the minutia but i think it'll help with the jobs generation question um the medical office on here is 45 000 square feet and that's the big generator right 81 jobs wait what what page do you want i'm sorry page 16. there's no numbers i don't think there's any numbers on here just at the top of the page on the left sorry probably underneath your staple this is the latest thing we got yes [Applause] you know if you look at office parks and office developments they're all 20 to 40 to 50 000 square feet unless you start getting into you know higher levels where you can stack all of that but of course we have height issues as well what's the height issue and then what's what's a high requirement oh there's no height there's nothing here in pasco that's what i thought so you want so you want us to go to what off well how many 30 feet of off is that what you're asking 80 000 would be three three four floors expand it out however you want to do it yeah cynthia's whispering in my ear that david ingle with economic development actually said 45 000 was acceptable given the location the site and the geography but that's not what you're asking so no we actually just pulled an item that david engel said settled for a lower number we're coming back in and trying to get more so so you're asking for more office you'd like us to yeah we want to create more jobs um if you could take a two or three minute recess i can talk to my client about what that does to the deal i don't know the answer [Music] okay we'll take five minute recess thank you can we just open up the next hearing [Music]

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because i think i'm staying tonight i'm not sure yet oh i haven't made that so would the vice chair then sign for you when you're done because we have a couple more public hearing items i guess we're back we're back on and um let's see if we have any resolution thanks good afternoon my name is tim mceachern i have been sworn in i'm with the live development and we are the applicant for the subject property i'm going to speak briefly to some of the questions that were asked related to the ilf alf achievable densities and also could office at 80 000 square feet be achieved on the property just to give you a little background my company is a developer of both multi-family and senior living product we're one of the largest developers in the southeast i've been in this role for the last six years and i'm here in tampa florida we looked at the property in 2019 as an ilf alf development and we explored whether or not this was a feasible development for our company in that process we engaged a nationally recognized company to do a market study and they found there was approximately five groups or five projects near near proposed under construction within a within the sub-market area and in that process we determined that there was an excess of supply and that the project was likely not feasible and we were unable to secure financing for an alf ilf and we were intending to do actually three uses we were going to do both assisted living independent living and memory care on the property the other issue that's happened since we looked at the project for alf ilf in 2019 was that we experienced the covet pandemic it's been very impactful on the senior living business it changed the whole dynamic of how that business operates today and in many instances there are families that are concerned about putting their senior uh family member into a assisted living facility today and in fact we had to significantly scale back our business in that sector because of the impacts of covet i can't speak to the current demand outside of the studies we did in 2019 but taking consideration what's occurred with covet i would think it'd be even more difficult today to get the financing for an alf ilf the question was uh regarding 80 000 square feet of office um clearly without the height restriction you could build 80 000 square feet in a vertically uh taller building the concern though is with the constraints of the site you would have to park that adequately one of the challenges with medical office is you're looking at five to six spaces per thousand square feet we've currently site planned five spaces

per thousand square feet and we've maxed out the site as you can see on the corner of the roughly three acres with a parking lot to go to 80 000 square feet we would begin to encroach upon other aspects of the site or we'd have to build a parking garage the rental rates at this location don't support a parking garage like you would see in a more urban environment like downtown tampa downtown saint pete so to sacrifice then multi-family or some of the other retail uses to go to a taller office building to accommodate the parking requirement would then put financial constraints on the over and create a feasibility issue for the overall project as you can see we've spent a lot of time and energy to find the perfect balance here um we're obviously satisfying or attempting to satisfy all of the comprehensive plan requirements for the county but it's also more than just comprehensive plan it's what project what what balance of uses will actually work at this location feasibility is very important for development companies like mine i'm i'm joined here today by mr hadesh patel he is the owner of the property he's owned it since 08. he can tell you personally the stories of going through one economic downturn related to the commercial downturn the great recession how he was unable to sell and develop the property then he's re-entitled it he went through a process for six years trying to reposition the property for senior living groups like mine approached him unsuccessful then he tried to develop himself in the record is a letter that states his hardships related to trying to develop this property as a senior living component what what we're trying to accomplish today is a satisfy your requirements for the comprehensive plan but also create a balanced project that is feasible this is the feasible mix that works for our company we've got a balance of 45 000 square feet of medical office it generates roughly 81 jobs we have a multi-family component we've shown 240 units that is the component that finances all the other uses without them without the multi-family without the rents that can be achieved there we cannot create job generation uses we cannot do mixed use we cannot put a veterinarian center we have done our best here to try and create a real viable feasible project what you see today isn't just a conceptual idea that might have been created in 2016 it's real we're going to build it we're ready to build it we have to get through this first step we're ready to commit to the medical office we're ready to do everything in the mpud stage but without your support here today we're really stuck mr patel will have to take the property back to the market he will continue to pay taxes he'll continue to be a good citizen but he's been unable to develop it for many years now so thank you i'll answer any questions

madam chair mr mariano um i'll tell you what i really appreciate your knowledge your experience and uh your explanation uh i'm gonna move approval al second for transmittal as long as we can figure out the hurdles prior to the next motion here and but madam chair that's with building the office building yeah okay and when you get your mpa approval i'm going to send you my okay your this customer make it easier to finish okay um all in favor aye opposed okay four to one and uh we'll move on to uh p64 p64 thank you very much do i need to sign anything no jack i gotta leave here no later this this will be quick we had a good meeting out there with staff which we'll talk about item p64 was published in the tampa bay times on january 19th 2022 liam divine planning and development p64 before we get started um staff has revised the agenda memo which has been submitted with the clerk's office to add fighting fact number two which was a voluntarily agreed upon deed restriction staff has also received ex parte communications from commissioner mariano's office um p64 pdd22-7587 in the name of habib enterprises llc it is a zoning amendment from ar agriculture residential district to r1 mh single-family slash mobile family home district this subject site is currently located on the north side of bolton avenue approximately 100 feet west of hicks road here's an aerial view the surrounding future land use to the north is res 6 to the east is res 3 in red 6 to the south is res 3 and res 9 and to the west is res 6. the surrounding zoning to the north east and south is all ar zoning to the west is r1mh which is the same zoning district that the applicant is proposing um the the parcels to the left of it to the west um there's about 16 parcels each of them being half acre lots on approximately 9.7 acres for reference the subject site is currently undeveloped on approximately 6.85 acres the applicant proposes to develop the property with mobile homes in conformance with the r1 mh single-family mobile home district standards the surrounding area is characterized by residential development consisting of site-built and mobile such manufactured homes the subject site currently has a future land use classification of res 6 under the comprehensive plan and access to the property is from bolton avenue and hicks road which are both county maintained local roads with approximately 50 feet of right away on february 17 2022 upon consideration of the evidence presented at the planning commission

hearing planning commission decided to disagree with pdd staff recommendation and voted to deny the application um after that vote um the applicant has submitted voluntarily deed restriction eliminating the maximum number of dwelling units to 11. this is coming with a recommendation from pdd staff for approval and planning commission for denial i'm here if you have any questions madam chair yeah so i i met with the neighbor who spoke at the last meeting i met with donald kerry out on site we walked the site uh talked with terry peters talked to denise um about this facility what we can actually do with it i don't mind the density uh he's right now at a proof for 11. i wouldn't mind if he even went to 12 units if he could make it fit the biggest concern was the drainage as far as uh it is a closed basin verified by staff i don't want to go through all the loops that you have to go through to make it a basis of special concern closed based on a special concern but i do want to see us put the stormwater requirements into it we've talked to the applicant the applicants agreeable to it i know staff staff has a language to add in it right now but i'm going to be happy to move this forward so do we have the language we need to go put the stormwater requirements in there commissioner what do you this is a euclidean zoning you can't condition it you can't condition it no i mean if they're going to add a deed restriction that may be something that that could be considered but it's but this is a this is a straight zoning category so you can't tack a condition on it what if they agree to do it i mean you could do it through much like the reduction in density you could do it through a deed restriction type okay type process so if you guide me to what we need to go put in there the the applicant's agreeable to improve it so how can we go about it i was trying to get with step ahead of time to get this squared away so there have there has been discussion and of course we have to call for public comment and have the applicant and all that but my understanding is the applicant is agreeable to design the site include that as a voluntarily agreed upon deed restriction on the site to design the site in accordance with the closed drainage basin requirements of the land development code 902.2.1 n 4b so it from what i heard from the commissioner

correct me if i heard something wrong but it is it is not while it's not based on a special concern it is a designated closed basin i am not certain that it is a designated closed basis and i believe that mr donald carey is in the audience who may be able to answer that question okay it looks like he's coming to help you donald kerry engineer three public works asked the question as to whether the basin is closed yes that the property is within a closed basin okay so that so i'm assuming that the provision that denise read would kick in anyway if we're if it's a designated closed basis i don't believe so because what denise was referring to was from the basically concern is that was that the reference okay so the the ease if that's if basically if the applicant is willing to design to the basis of special concern standards um and is willing to do that through a deed restriction recorded prior to development or pri prior to the effectiveness of this zoning ordinance um that would be a way to get to where you want to be okay thank you very much and you've driven this area walked it drove it looked around the whole neighborhood full of code violations it's just south of the park i could drop pins on all kinds of lots here and send somebody out okay now we had the hearing last time we continued it do we need to open up the public commentator i mean it's a mess i don't this is the first time this is here i think okay all right so so we didn't have it open and i think we do have sign ups we just need to just continue straight out you do okay you have people signed up yes just just a question for staff for the app um what is that in the in the memo in general memo is it states um sorry change in zoning from ar agriculture residential are [Music] yeah horrible i'm sorry yeah hold on one sec our yeah r1mh but right now if i'm not correct you can actually have what up to six um manufacturer homes on the property by rice yes by right now okay okay or so originally they asked was it planning commission for 15 and now the applicant has gone down to 11. that's accurate okay yeah 6.85 using 2.2 per acre would have been 15. we're always looking for so today they could go out there and build would not have to

do any of these drainage improvements at all they could just literally go out there and build right they could do six manufactured mobility without any drainage improvements well they would still have to go through a preliminary development plan and all that but they would not have to do to the extent particularly that's commissioner mariano correct has asked them to do via d restriction correct right that's accurate okay okay thanks for all the same picture yep but what kind of so when someone builds puts a mobile home on here what kind of rules do we have for that i mean it's not a subdivision with deed restrictions i get i'm guessing looking at the neighborhood i don't know what what happens there can you be a little bit more specific and i apologize i i don't think i understood the question um do they have to have driveways do they have to have landscaping grass they'll have to have driveways in terms of landscaping um there isn't a specific landscape code other than what so they'll still they'll still have to comply with um the the general land development code and the requirements in the land development code are you looking for something it would have to go through i think what the commissioners say they would do a preliminary development plan they'll have to go through planning yeah it's a either a minor rural or it's a full-blown it's probably full-blown subdivision considering it's 11. it's going to be full-blown yeah and so there will be some kind of someone's going to look at that kind of stuff yes absolutely i mean even if they developed it with the six six watts it would still have to be looked at that way okay we're gonna have to go through plating because it's more than three parcels all right i'd recommend you take public comments yes we will take public comment now and go back to questions i have three individuals signed up for a public comment from the applicant oh that's true okay applicant first then then public comment ma'am chairman todd pressman oh 202nd avenue south number four number 451 in saint petersburg um good afternoon i'll make this short and then if i may respond um commissioner moore i've been sworn yes sir uh brought up a good point currently right now six units could go there uh we originally came into 15 requests we reduced it to 11 in response to the good neighbors concerns and further in response to the good neighbors concerns we're looking at having a much higher level

of retention detention with help of the staff so we agree to that and i'll sit down so you can hear from the neighbors thank you or answer any questions thank you okay all right you need to call up the yes okay yes the um first individual who signed up uh the name is william and kathleen no last name that i can see so would one of you like to come up or both whoa where's he going okay who's speaking okay call someone call the next person all right um miss deborah last name is long and i don't know how to pronounce it is it landorus good afternoon commissioners deborah dalia dorinsky um i have a property well first i'd like to say we cannot you have to state your address and whether you've been sworn all right my address is 7315 osage uh hudson and i own the property directly behind um the habib enterprise property and that is it 15508 juliet's court hudson 34667 and you've been sworn yes thank you um what i'd like to say is we don't have room for one more residential in that area because nothing has been done with the storm water drainage um and my property becomes a total lake i have a half acre that's vacant i have another half acre where my daughter and grandchildren live and that is becoming a lake worse and worse every year hicks road has now been paved from bolton avenue to denton with future from new york avenue there's been no drainage put on that road which makes it more extensive for my property in 2019 i emailed brandon the public works director to do something with the only culvert in that area which goes onto my property so from one street down from little road i'm bolton on charmwood there is some drainage after charmwood on bolton there's no culverts no drainage whatsoever except for on my property so everything that has been built up is flowing to me and it's it's going to rule my home um yeah in 2019 i emailed brandon and we do have a uh i'm sorry i'm nervous um i was given a project number of 31618 to clear out that culvert which is overgrown it used to be a ditch and now it's level

property i had to hurry over there one day to sign a paper to uh as being the property owner to have work done on that culvert and nothing's been done since 2018. so i i just can't see any more properties at all in that area until hopefully pasco county does something with the stormwater drainage thank you thank you the next individual who signed up is marilyn waldrop hello i own property uh we need your name and address for the record please marilyn waldorf 15 630 juliet's court and ma'am have you been sworn yes i have thank you you may proceed the drainage is a big problem on the street and we all have septic tanks and we feel that with the new construction drawing water for wells because they'll all be on wells and they'll all have septic it's going to cause pollution to our wells by putting in twice more than twice the amount of properties that was originally called for the six going to let's say 11 or 12 as was discussed would be catastrophic to what's going on in the environment we have all owned our property for many years it's a well-established neighborhood we're all on half an acre and to excessively build on that land that could actually help us with drainage and and purification of our wells is it's really crucial it's paving the world it's concrete everywhere it's driveways it's roofs it's has has that all been taken into consideration i i just hate the development there's mature trees there there's owls there's there's a lot of wildlife they have nowhere to go and and i heard that it's going to be all shallow wells the septic is going to complicate the problem and putting in more than what was originally designed is is really catastrophic for our neighborhood i hope you consider the the people who have lived there for so many years and help us for once instead of the development thank you very much for your thank you consideration all right i'm going to go back to william and kathleen you could state your name and address for the record and whether or not you've been sworn

yes we've been sworn in and thank you commissioners william my husband and my name's kathleen we live at 15616 juliet's court and uh what's your last name nather i'm sorry thank you as he was brought up we are very concerned about the drainage dwell i think what marilyn was trying to get across is we all have shallow wells and that many units in there excuse me for saying this but i for one do not want to be taking a shower on somebody else's sewerage running down i didn't quite catch the first woman that spoke and she mentioned about the flooding our properties are slightly lower than what's across the street from us as opposed to hicks road when it rains and i'm talking good substantial rain my yard gets a lot of water in it i've dealt with it i do a lot of gardening so i find it a little beneficial but our main concern big time is the shallow wells 15 units with the sewer reach problem it's it's got to run off somewhere and i'm sure it hasn't even been perked yet to see where it is going and as marilyn said we'd appreciate it if someone really took a good look at the properties there six units you could probably live with it i've been on the county paper and i see there were three units in there at one time i don't know what happened to them i'm told you know i hear say they were dilapidated token off there's no road there except for dirt and if mr marian mariano yes did the walk through you well know that it's all dirt right mr habib did make a clearing from that property out to hicks road he's also dragged in three trailers already one is somebody's living in one on the very corner of bolton i'm sure you saw them and he brought a third one in and they're used i assume because they need a lot of work on them and it's it's heartbreaking to see when the two of us have built up our property and took care of everything to see that they want to put so many homes there and as marilyn everybody says there isn't enough room for it they're just plus they're taking out the forest this is why i had five acres over in off of um in hudson but in the highland area well we downsized and we like the trees they want to clear them all out a few homes on that area absolutely 11 12. it's crazy and i've talked to other neighbors and a lot of them didn't show up because they're understanding was they were they were only replacing five well with pandemic a lot of people don't take off from work and it's sad so we're here trying to speak for everyone so i hope you understand where we're

coming from okay so uh i've been sworn in the same okay name and address for the record the uh you have to give your name in it oh william mather one five six one six julius court six one six six months go ahead you may proceed okay what she's trying to say or you did a walk-through that walk the whole property because the property slants down and [Music] goes back up so we are in the bottom of a gully now we all have uh shallow shallow septics well now he bought this property and the way i look at it he wants to change the zoning from agriculture to the r1mh and that allows him to put trailers in our mic our concern is there's nowhere for the septic to go except when he when he bought this property first of all he put a used trailer in and he fixed it up and it's at the entranceway and it did not purge perk for the drainage for the drain field so he put an above uh drain field there what's the rest of the property gonna do is that gonna have to be purged i mean the purge perk just doesn't seem to work there it's just a low gully and he wants a bad uh trailer after trailer eventually and it's going to ruin our septic shallow wells and it just doesn't make sense it's good thank you for your thank you thank you thank you and i see your lots very heavily wooded madame chair yes this lot is wooded they're mature trees it's his lie he could take him down probably if he wants to thank you room for more trailers okay uh there's no one on webex and no one else has signed up but i think there's someone that wants to speak okay i think he might have been the first person he's not signed up okay um before um you speak does anyone else wish to speak on this that's here okay anyone online there's no one online okay so this is the last speaker on this issue thank you my name is stephen parker i live on juliet 15714. um

pascal county open spaces vibrant places don't take that away from us what's going to happen here is by changing what the future land use was for this place at this neighborhood it provided a diversity for the zoning land use there's a strip of houses that are non-conformant pre-existing non-conforming that's right next to this area and those houses are right on top of each other a whole strip then there's this piece of property which was supposed to be designated as six houses and then there would be the area to ahmen which is 16 which is giving diversity diversity to the area we don't want to take that away we don't want to take the vibrance away and make it and make it a house on top of a house like a cup you know cookie cutting sheet paradise excuse me yeah you can't you cannot talk from there thank you um the zoning should be left as it was intended which was six houses and that was the problem with the mailing that they did it was kind of a defective and the full intent was not transparent to the average homeowner from what i talked to most of the people in the area they said oh they put in six houses and that was basically it and that's the understanding six houses may not be that bad of stress we have a water problem my uh my water sometimes during the dry season comes up like one percent milk in my my glass it's it's ridiculous i have a right to clean water plus the fact when the water gets that low what is it what may be the cause of the sinkhole in the area that could be another problem that we could have by over building in an area and ruining the diversity of the area and the vibrance of it we don't want to do that the road infrastructure there doesn't support the volume of trucks and garbage trucks that will be brought into the area juliet is a u-turn area for all the trucks the garbage trucks all come down there and turn around that road is completely destroyed you can't you can't ride down it without rattling your teeth out of your mouth and bolton is just as bad so this is a problem we also have a maryland which is one over we already have a uh a trailer park in there so you know you're gonna put like another trailer park on the other side of us i don't think it was the original future intent for this this this property and to change it would be doing that we also have the hudson water which is like two blocks dam which is sucking water out of the ground there so you know we have a right to have clean drinking water

location map condition on the road and staff is recommending approve is there before we go through anything more is there anyone here who wants to oppose this i'll take a moment you want to make sure i get full public comment no yeah there's no one online already i'll put it on the record no one's online and no one is signed up 19 so no public comment no approval yeah second all in favor aye all right so item p66 was published in the tempe times on february 16 2022. uh this is mitchell avenue pves number three four six nine this is also one street non-count to maintain estimated uh project cost is eight thousand six hundred and ninety two dollars maximum cost per eru is five thousand three hundred ninety seven dollars and forty six cents there were 17 possible votes we received 13 responses which is 76 there are nine in favor or 69 percent for against animal um installation is over a 15-year period interest rate is 3.25 percent interest this is the location map and the photograph of the um uh mitchell avenue staff is recommended approved is there anyone here to speak against it against it yes we have one person signed up okay what was the vote against it was way unanimous i mean wait yes my hand thomas rowe 13819 michelle this is strictly a comment currently when it rains the north end ends up with a swimming pool approximately 1600 square feet after talking to your paving personnel last week several of them no consideration has been specifically stated for the drainage of the water off the street okay if after the project is completed the water drains i have no problem all is good if after the project is completed it does not drain and we still have the swimming pool then we let the attorneys resolve the problem that's all i have to say any questions uh commissioner mariano i'll say madam chair i'd be happy to make sure we work with ainsley and our staff to go look at that stormwater before we start the project to make sure we deal with the drainage that's all i'm here for and if you would sir make sure you give angel your name and we'll get with you when we go out there as well i'm on your list okay and and ainsley is aware of me also i'm a loud person why do i believe you thank you very much have a great day appreciate it wait anyone online uh i do not believe we have anybody online move approval second all in favor aye okay i think we're too commissioner signing all right mr oakley

all righty let's see what i got here uh this past uh i believe it was march 12th to march 13th i had a meeting in my district with the status of women we had actually over we met over at kokopelli's and had met in the citrus room and we had about 23 attendees so it's a very good meeting and they wish to do this again sometime so probably right now i'm looking at once ever six months possibly to do this without trying to make it too often but and be able to listen to what women have to say that are in business in our district so i know some of the other districts i believe are also trying to have some of those meetings and which will be good i think they'll get good attendance in their area too so the other thing i report is uh chief james walters of the dade city chief police chief he told me they were going dates it would be painting our electric car spaces green and put an emblem on there that represents electric cars and also they're notifying people that are parking there that are not in electric cars they're giving them a warning now and we'll continue if they keep parking there they'll they'll catch up with them they'll start giving tickets so and that's that two spaces right there at the courthouse so um let's see i think oh thank goodness for the opening of ridge road i came over today and hit suncoast came over the ridge road and then and i made it less than an hour which it usually takes me a little more an hour but it was less than an hour getting here and that was a good i'm gonna cut out we got some people on ridge road that because there's a construction there they think they have to go 30 miles an hour so i don't know but it the ridge road is very pretty 35 is the speed limit 45 35 okay wow no comment maybe i was trying to go too fast then but it was a nice drive over and uh i think it saved time in getting here so but it worked good and it's a beautiful road that's the first time i've driven on it since it's been completed to open up in that section so very nice that's all i have nothing more thank you matter of chance are we doing an update legislative update today or now no okay all right then i'll just want to just follow up and obviously we know the

great news that uh the 14 million dollar for ridge road extension phase 2 is in the budget so obviously thank president simpson and speaker sprouse but our entire delegation and also on top of that um representative zika in hooper which sponsored in the house and the senate you know this was uh up to the last minute thing as some of us know ralph knows we took that last trip up to tallahassee and i think that helped as well but we're very very thankful for all our representatives and that also includes mariano and representative maggard as well um we know there's gonna be a seventh member coming up i guess uh after november but uh i'll be i'll be a citizen then so i welcome them as a citizen at that time march 20th um what was it march 20th and november 21st we wrote letters actually to um members of congress supporting the sunshine protection act to make daylight saving time permanent i don't know if all you saw this but um it did pass the senate it passed unanimous and consent so congratulations to senator rubio which was the primary sponsor of that um senator scott was pushing for it um as well now is the time to get with our members of the house of representatives and encourage our members of that house to actually hear this on the floor either for a for voter consent themselves because we know the importance of it we've had those discussions in the past last but not least um last week florida sports coast announced the keynote speaker will be thaddeus bullard also known as the wwe global ambassador titus o'neil at the tourism banquet if you don't know his history is definitely an incredibly it's incredibly powerful story if you've ever heard um thaddeus bullard's story and he's also a great guy he's done a ton of work in the community in pasco in hillsborough county so we're excited to have him at the florida sports post coast banquet if you haven't bought your tickets they will sell out and there's also vip opportunities available as well and we'll obviously have another special guest that will announce at a later date when i give my chairman's award thank you uh commissioner fitzpatrick you guys go fast all right well happy anniversary i didn't meet with magnolia valley civic association so i would like to thank code for going out or for following up with them and helping them with their towers and everything i am excited because it is in the budget the 106 million for moffitt for their infrastructure which is very important that we get ahead in our infrastructure so it's exciting we have the 14 million for the ridge road extension i love driving on the ridge road it's a lot shorter and there's 2 million for the green key

and of course lastly the 35 million for the sports complex so as long as it goes through we're good to go so i'll be short safe oh and don't forget to go to the chasco fiesta saturday thank you joe thank you um just want to say driving on little road uh if you come from fox hollow down now that we have people avoiding it by taking ridge road extension they may not see it as much but that road has been passed a couple of times i found out from staff that it's not even scheduled to be looked at until next year pass for what uh little road patch hatch patched okay so there's like it's unravel it's not unraveling but it's like delaminating so patches have gone in twice now um it's gonna break down again this summer so i want staff to take a look at it from fox hollow down embassy i think he's listening damn we got that mike from little to embassy from little road from fox hollow down south to embassy the road's delaminating we've seen pictures of it uh i don't want to see another disaster where people have to like shift from lane to lane or side to side which may cause more accidents but definitely an unsafe for an ontario road i think they're they're doing segments a little what road just about every year we're trying to work and we just we just did a segment to the north that was like delimiting really bad a couple years ago so i mean they're trying to work the worst sections first but they can't do the whole thing in one year i'm telling you this this section right here is delaminating like i did a couple years ago it's dangerous we've seen videos of it uh where people have to shift from lane to lane to avoid it when the rain comes down it just delaminates right back up all right they're gonna look at it so um one of the things i got was a quick thing and i'll just mention this real quick this development monthly service report from back a little while ago um it showed view specs going way down from one year to the other so i'd like to have us take another look at that about how we can get that number up um had some permitting things where people can't seem to get their permits to go through and i'll reach out to sally specifically with an email i got earlier but i just want to make sure we just minimize our staff time driving back and forth if we don't need to do it on another note mike thank you for responding back right away that jolie had caught culvert mike's got that looked at he's going to try to move that along as quick as we can as well and i'll just make a mention that uh commissioner starkey fitzpatrick and myself are hosting uh the status of women in business working networking event it's going to

be tuesday march 29th at the point distillery uh from five to seven so if anybody knows any women that would like to come out that do own their own business and want to come forward or want to launch one they're all welcome to it should be a nice event obviously other commissioners and staff would be welcome to come as well that's all i have thank you administrator yes ma'am um moffitt cancer center is submitting a three million dollar request to congressman bill rockas as part of his community project request initiative that they now have back every year and they've asked us for a letter of support but asked the board to allow the chair to sign a letter of support for that so move second okay all in favor aye aye aye aye thank you that's all i have why we have to support that it's to go with their package so that uh okay they see that we're in support of the request we we will have some specific requests too good in addition to that but we want to support moffat's effort there as well that would go into this camp is it for a specific thing there well it is to supplement the state funding assuming the state funding gets through the governor's pin okay said it yes ma'am okay uh who's next [Laughter] um i wanted to talk about operation green light event that my office is hosting uh march 31st through april 2nd so that's thursday through saturday it's an event to help people get back on their driver's licenses to help reinstate them for their court ordered obligations and we have people available in person by phone and also we can do this online so i want to make sure that that event was known get more information by going to my website and also there is another um another thing we're doing we're partnering with the courts the state attorney the public defender to put on operation stand down um at operations downtown we're going to hold veterans court to help our veterans get back on their feet get their driver's license reinstated so if you know a vet that has any sort of cases with our office that we can help them with that would comply with the requirements for veterans court uh the court and the sa attorney's public offenders in my office work together to reduce the amounts that are due on the cases lower charges and so on and so forth so two great events uh one specific for veterans the other one is open to the general public when is that one thank you i don't think i said that um it is friday april 29th and it's going to be held during operation stand down at the rotary pavilion in safety safety town rotary pavilion and it's a operation stand down's the actual whole weekend friday saturday

sunday that's a great great event yeah okay um i'm next all right first i need to appoint dr kim moore to the commission on the status of women i think all in favor aye during my meeting with the tampa bay builders association and terry and um some of the developers and developers attorneys i brought up the question um and i've been meaning to ask this for a long time when a development comes in they have to do a tree survey correct and um there's that ringing again [Music] and so microbiology um some of them can oh so i believe they pay into for trees of a certain size that they take out they pay into it the tree mitigation trust fund but i do believe that we have a requirement that x amount of trees have to go back in to the finished development is that correct you can't just take everything ever every tree out not put anything back in and i'm going to talk about the development as a total yes brad tip and playing development uh yes you're absolutely correct whenever they remove trees with a mass grading or anything else they do have to do a tree survey that tells you what they've removed their development plans then the site plans tell you what they're putting back in they must put back in the minimum to meet the landscape requirements above and beyond that they can mitigate in other ways okay they can either plant the trees and they can pay into the fund and that's been in effect for a long time right so if i were to drive through fox hollow or the preserve well foxhole is an old one but should have been under those under that i mean and that's been there for at least 20 years because i believe i worked on that when i was on the citizens ordinance review committee which was 20 something years ago so i could go through a development in the last 20 years and see if i mean if they have any trees who in the county goes back and sees that the developers puts the trees in so uh the when a development is built like a subdivision is built now uh the engineering inspectors actually look at the trees in the common areas if there's trees along roadways trees and parks things of that nature like along the edges uh then there's uh actual the trees on the lots themselves referred to as lot trees that are covered in a different section that's done through building construction services okay so someone does go and check and so we could go into a neighborhood say that was built 15 years ago and drive around and there should be trees on there someone

someone could pull up a number and see how many trees should be in there theoretically yes okay some people may have gone and taken things out of their own accord but theoretically yes you you should be able to see a certain pattern of trees in an area assuming that they haven't died but they wouldn't necessarily not be in a house that they need to be putting them into common areas or street trees depending on the the plan that was approved when it was first yeah so so as brad said lot trees which are a requirement then become the residences property but the development um the developer has to have x amount of trees replaced from when they cleared correct if they if they cleared trees and their their approved plans show them replacing certain trees and common areas to make up for that uh they can't then go and remove those trees right because you know and people i hear it all the time people get upset that we come in we take every single tree out and we build it up with sand and then they're supposed to put the trees back but there are many places that you can drive around in development and there's not and there aren't any trees so i i'm just going to pay more attention to that but i just want to make sure and i will tell you that the developers in the in the call said they know that's not happening so they said yeah that that's not good we're not doing that so they did say that okay um now i want to thank you thank you brad um i want to bring up um sprinklers and mr cabala who's texting me over here uh well you have to go i do so uh hurry up so in um this is the last thing in on floor mar in gulf harbors there are a couple islands in the right-of-way that are owned by the county but the community has landscaped them and we maintain it and um right now they're in there putting the um you know they're fixing the pipes with that money we got last year and um paris this the head of our civic association talk to the guys doing the work in fgua and because we would like to put a sprinkler in there and fgua said we could put sprinkler in there cost hundred dollars for the water meter um it's 300 square feet and but the the civic association was okay with putting the sprinkler in there uh right now the lady who's the judy probst there on the corner puts a hose across the street and ladies water it

with a hose coming from the construct the real estate office and um but then they said that there is a 1200 impact fee to put in the sprinkler to sprinkle um like an eight foot by thirty foot strip of grass so um i think it's a little crazy but mike is saying that um because we're willing to put in the water meter but to put to pay 1200 for the smallest little spring two sprinkler heads seems crazy but mike is saying that our bond covenants say we have to charge ourselves it's the county's free service county correct your bond covenants say that you have to pay back the enterprise account just like any of the other any of the other discussions we've had about waiver of solid waste fees any of that stuff so can i ask for uh um the uh help on paying the impact fee from here it's a slippery slope you can that is crazy it's it's the count at the county has to charge itself that much money is we've grown to that before really yeah we've had discussions about that before so we so apparently we paid impact fees on our utility building yes ma'am when the county does construction and we build a building and pull a meter we pay the connection fee to the enterprise fund right or when we do irrigation on you know somewhere else we pay protection fee to the enterprise fund everybody that pulls a meter pays a connection fee to their price fund because that's to pay for future capacity all right that's all i have mm-hmm happy 30th yeah [Music]

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