02.08.2022 Pasco Board of County Commissioners Meeting (Afternoon Session)

one minute thirty seconds [Applause] good afternoon i will uh now call back to order the pasco county board of county commission meeting of february 8 2022. please silence all electronic devices and mute your microphones we will proceed with public hearings starting with ordinances p-33 yes ma'am uh we met him chairman and member of the board you have proof of publication of the hearing of this matter in the december 22nd 2021 edition of the tampa bay times thank you good afternoon madam chair commissioners denise hernandez in p33 is pdd220037 this is the adoption hearing for this item it's an ordinance amending the pasco county comprehensive plan providing for a small scale comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use map map 2-15 and sheet 23 from res nine residential nine dwelling units per gross acre to calm commercial on approximately 3.34 acres a real real property located at the intersection of gall boulevard and chancy road and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for a repealer severability and an effective date uh this went to the local planning agency on january 6 2022 who found it consistent with a comprehensive plan and recommended approval to the board of county commissioners today we're asking that you approve the proposed comp plan amendment and adopt by roll call vote okay um i'm trying sorry i'm i don't have it on my notes so we take comment now or is this on the this isn't this is applicant initiated this is a applicant initiated so if there is an applicant that wishes to speak to the ordinance adoption they would be first and then it would be public comment okay is does the applicant wish to speak on this justina gale florida design consultants 1536 amber fields lando lakes boulevard um and we wanted to thank staff for everything we agree and concur with approval thank you all right and is there anyone who wishes to speak anyone signed up this item no one has signed up for this uh item and do you have anybody on wednesday i don't think you have anybody we don't have anyone on the website then okay so i'll entertain emotion move approval there we go all in favor aye opposed okay district uh one commissioner oakley aye district two commissioner mourinho district four commissioner fitzpatrick district five commissioner mariano aye district three chairman starkey aye okay p34 we uh have proof of publication of the hearing of this matter in the october 20th edition of the tampa bay times p34 is

pd220058 this is an ordinance amending the pasco county comprehensive plan providing for text amendments chapter 7 transportation element table 7-2 8 quarter preservation repealing table 7-2-b map amendments to the highway vision plan and functional class map 7-36 and the transportation quarter preservation map map 7-37 and additional text amendments for consistency uh this was presented to a local planning agency on 11 421 who found it consistent with the comprehensive plan and recommended approval to the board and it was transmitted um on 12 7 of 21. today we're asking that you um hold a public hearing um take public comment and adopt by roll call vote okay so is there anyone who wishes to discuss this item anyone signed up to discuss this we have no one signed up for item 34. board members oakley aye district 2 commissioner moore aye district 4 commissioner vince pantry aye district 5 commissioner mariano aye district 3 chairman starkey aye okay p35 this item was originally published for hearing uh at the january 25th board of county commissioners meeting in new porucci and continued to this date and time denise that doesn't sound right denise was it it's first hearing the first reading was 125 of 2022. okay on the side so it's first this is a two hearing so it should have been advertised it should have been advertised for this date as well okay let me verify that may i proceed oh sorry uh and we do have proof of publication for this date and time and second uh reading um in the uh in the tampa bay times of december 22nd 2021. thank you now you can go hey thank you so much um p35 is pd220168 i do want to mention that there are some documents on your on your uh areas providing some some modifications to the item so basically the modification to the item that you are receiving today is that the proposed moratorium expansion area does not include parcels that are collectively known as the wiregrass ranch dri uh the wire grass ranch dri and development order comprehensive plan pd future land use designation and associated sub area policies and the mpud uh the reason why we're removing those those require employment center uses with higher density and residential development and multi multi-family development nearby multi-family within development within the wire grass ranch is designated to be better integrated into the overall development and thus the moratorium expansion area exclude those areas so you have a modification to the agenda memo and to the um

expansion area moratorium map um so i will read this this is actually the adoption and we're asking that you take public comment and you adopt by roll call vote it's an ordinance by the pasco county board of county commissioners amending ordinance 2108 to expand the moratorium area providing for authority legislative findings of fact moratorium area temporary moratorium imposed and severability and um this went to the local planning agency with the with the exclusion area um that and they found it consistent with the comprehensive plan and recommended approval to the board of county commissioners on 1 6 of 22 and this went to the board of county commissioners on first reading on 125 of 22. and i believe you have some folks signed up to speak on this matter yes we do okay uh first uh person we have signed up is uh cynthia spidel good afternoon and thank you my name is cynthia spidell i'm with stearns weaver at 401 east jackson street in tampa so good afternoon and thank you for the opportunity to speak to this issue i'm here today to revise to raise a few concerns and to object to the moratorium area expansion as the board members may recall and also during my decade plus tenure at pasco county uh in the planning department and capital budgeting we had invited the uli to evaluate pasco county market areas and they came up with uh proposed market areas which included the south market and the urban service area and these areas were adopted these areas include the state road 54 and 56 corridor and are the intended target for growth the multi-family moratorium is slowly expanding and extending into the urban service area and south market area i am glad that you removed wiregrass this moratorium is counter-intuitive to this growth management strategy unintended consequences may include promoting multi-family outside the moratorium boundary such as suburban and rural market areas as well as promoting and unintentionally or inadvertently promoting smaller single-family lats including the 40s as the market adapts and seeks to achieve density uh in other housing products the these types of moratoriums perpetuate urban sprawl do not promote getting people out of their car and lastly during the recent pd pedc economic forecast luncheon rent was shown to be the largest contributor of inflation restricting excuse me restricting density on the supply side will continue to exacerbate the already high rents lastly if dimensional standards are considered for this area please have such design standards go through the traditional ldc amendment process and not buy a bcc policy board memo design standards and ldc implementation tends to be better when everyone has a seat at the table thank you very much thank you um

anyone else signed up yes uh nicole lim good afternoon everyone nicole lynn 4921 memorial highway tampa with our dura group thanks for hearing us on this subject matter i just wanted to also reiterate what uh cynthia said a second ago about exclusion for wire grass ranch much noted um in addition to that i just wanted to say that the expansion of the moratorium area obviously seeks to limit the housing opportunities where the uli study had previously identified for a concentration to be so obviously urban sprawl would occur and make sure that you are aware that there are folks that are here that are not in agreement with moving forward with the expansion of the moratorium thanks thank you uh hope kennedy good afternoon i'm hope kennedy from the north tampa bay chamber of commerce uh 1868 highland oaks boulevard suite a this is absolutely terrible for business please do not continue with these moratoriums this is not a creative use for coming up with a problem we have a workforce problem and the housing crisis is directly correlated with the affordable housing moratoriums are lazy um and i encourage you to look for other creative ways to find affordable housing solutions and um the moratoriums in general are just absolutely lazy and so we encourage you to be pro-business help us out with the workforce issue that we have as i've mentioned before the uh affordable housing is a direct correlation so please be very smart and making always moves thank you thank you uh just to clarify were you speaking on behalf of the the chamber about that address 100 dishonored they absolutely did sir it's on our priorities list for affordable housing as well as workforce i'm sorry they vote on this actual matter it's our legislative priorities that are put forth to our board of directors each year this was on our agenda last year and continues to roll over to the agenda this year that is already approved this is part of our legislative priorities it's an actual priority item affordable housing and workforce please do uh that was the last person signed up in advance is there anyone on webex who would like to address this issue we have no one on webex and is there anyone else here that would like to address the expansion of the moratorium okay and i have a question um so i'm confused on the dates the dates of the moratorium the when would it end it's a 180 day oh no we extended that uh nictoro speedos with the planning and development department uh madam chair the moratorium was extended uh yes extended time wise

in october until april of 2022. so this more time will go for two more months uh yes but the if if the moratorium were to pass it's retroactive back to january i believe so it okay what i'm sorry when does it expire expansion can is not going to expand the time the moratorium is in place right so if if the original ordinance expires april 2022 without further action of this board that's when it's going to expire i don't think legally we can expand it more than one year you know we oh i don't think i need to continue to speak on this we know my uh issues with it um as well as we've heard from economic development professionals actually have written this letter we've heard from the sheriff's office we've heard of their concerns we you know the people that spoke today i appreciate them speaking we spoke to people that represent the apartment industry from tampa we also heard from somebody that lives in tampa um i mean i didn't have one person that actually lives in pasco county come up and speak against this item today the majority of people i'm sure you've heard the same that live in pasco county are for this and i represent the citizens of pasco county i'm sure yes you know we look at the traffic in the corridor we're trying to do improvements it's going to take time um the east east west gridlock there's no solution that uli first looked at down the 54 card that did not happen so all of a sudden now we get the extra density without the traffic flow to go with it um some of these decisions could have come in where we take a job-creating piece of land and turn into apartments we're costing ourselves jobs so i'm comfortable with what we've got in place i'll make a motion under okay now we're under discussion um you know i'm i'm a little torn here because it's only two months uh is this extension so uh i don't think i don't think um it was a year i for sure wouldn't be voting for it um but i i i agree with um the representative from the chamber that that um we need more workforce and affordable housing and i hear it i get calls all the time people can't find a place to live we're trying to attract companies here and where are they going to live because there is no inventory out there for someone to um be purchasing a house or or uh renting an apartment um so uh i know this is going to pass but just

because of my work with workforce housing and affordable housing i think i think i'm going to vote no but i know it's going to pass and um uh just commissioner oakley had one more thought i was going to say um i i agree that we want to protect jobs um but i think we can have housing and jobs and i i think we've been shown that opportunity and when you saw the report from the tampa bay regional planning council that showed vertical mixed use and uh that is jobs and housing and so i think it can be done if we if we put our mind to it that we can have both commissioner oakley right the problem this issue and and we've seen it grow pretty good it's not affordable housing because these houses these apartments are renting for two thousand twenty two hundred dollars a month that's not affordable housing for people we do need affordable housing in our county but some of this housing is is not for jobs in our county but for jobs in other counties nearby and so we need to focus on jobs in our county and housing in our county and because of this moratorium we've had other areas of the county that have come up with some multi-family uh projects that wouldn't have come up if this was still open and they could come here but it's in other areas of our county that we're going to get some of the mortar family housing yeah and you know you bring a big good point i want to ask our staff um and just kind of going to what hope said i think that we do have an exclusion for workforce housing so is that correct that this moratorium would not exclude workforce housing madam chair i would have to uh refer to the documents really quick give me a moment because i think we are you know working to incentivize workforce housing i believe affordable housing the west market area were exempt from the moratorium is it only in the west well everything outside of his district is not in the morton but i just want to know if um not that i know of any um workforce housing that's coming but certainly we want some in that area oh yeah so people who live who work there can live there but i'm just checking to see if we've included because if not i maybe would want to make an amendment if though it's only two months that if someone came in with an affordable housing project we would want that right madam chair since we're while we're waiting and i mean again the motion we have a motion a second so i don't know how much i'll call the question in a second um well he's and why happens um but again you know talking to people obviously an economic development side and the and people that are trying to bring businesses this county um the big concern

is that along the 54-56 corridor we're running out of that land so it has the proper zoning now to bring in commercial not only retail but office as well we have mastermind planning communities that are very well thought out eg wiregrass for example that has the entitlements avalon park west has entitlements when we work together with those communities to build that quote really true walkable community that's when it makes sense but we can't continue to lose our job creating sites it makes it very difficult on our economic economic development team it makes it very difficult on our edc to be able to recruit those companies and bring those companies here because they want to be along major corridors and we heard when i asked the questions to bill cronin which is the obviously economic development pro for our county and knows more than anybody about that um he said that's a concern so i had i had breakfast with mr cronin yesterday and we talked a friday we talked specifically about this and he agrees when you're bringing in a company that is bringing 500 jobs they need to have one of the things they're going to look at is is housing available for the people that are coming here so listen i work very hard on economic development and bring in jobs here so i started a workforce training program that's why i chair economic development or vice chair for the national association of counties so i i do know a lot i do work with economic development i think you need both and i'm looking forward to the study to see where we are but i'm asking you about workforce housing madam chair the uh original ordinance for the moratorium did not distinguish between uh any type of multi-family so multi-family in general it did not carve out any exceptions for affordable uh housing we were mostly most insane call question commissioner fitzpatrick i believe that was when i made the motion to remove multi-families from c2 housing that's when they kept in the west market and the affordable housing and other exceptions is correct all right we'll we'll go when is this presentation going to be ready to be presented to the board because the moratorium is allowed only until the ordinance is updated we're working on the study uh with the intent of bringing information to the board members towards the end of march okay thank you so it'll be before the moratorium ends um in terms of the initial information yes but in terms of presenting at the board meeting that may occur in april okay um so i guess i'm going to go ahead and support it because it's just for a few more months and i think we'll have a rogue or yeah so uh roll calva district one commissioner oakley aye district two commissioner moore aye district four commissioner

fitzpatrick aye district five commissioner mariano aye district three chairman starkey aye okay thank you all um common sense prevail good job we appreciate it then we're at p-36 um madam chairman of members of the board you have proof of publication of the hearing of this matter in the december 22nd uh edition of the tampa bay times okay um this is a zoning do we have to swear do we sell square people in this is a continuance and we have two continuances okay so we'll take up both the continuances and then we'll um uh move on so p36 and p39 e36 is pd227583 it's a zoning amendment agjm pasco llc it's a request to continue the item to the february 22nd 2022 board of county commissioners meeting at 1 30 in newport richie can i ask why that's being continued um that is being continued because the planning commission was continued so since the planning commission meeting was continued the board is being continued as well to continue time certain second i just thought i heard this on the planning commission that's correct but we didn't have enough time to turn it over for this particular oh okay all right you got a motion a second all in favor aye aye aye okay and by the way it's also on the west side of the county and there is there is some opposition so that's another reason i apologize for not stating that um so you want to do p 39-13 and we have proof of publication in the january 9th and january 16th publications of the tampa bay times uh p-39 is fac 22006 it's a petition to vacate a portion of platted right-of-way and the request is to continue the item to the 3-8-222 board of county commissioners meeting at 1 30 in dade city okay um move continues second all in favor aye all right all right post all right that is continued p37 and now we're gonna do procedures yeah we'll do our procedures now rezoning procedures there are two rezoning agendas regular consent staff will present each application to the board of county commissioners if staff or planning commission has recommended approval or if there is no opposition to the application the application will be considered by the board without further presentation if staff for planning commission has recommended denial or if there is opposition to the application the applicant will be given five minutes for a presentation the opposition will be given three minutes for each

individual or five minutes for a group representative and the applicant will be given three minutes for rebuttal any individual disagreeing with staff for planning commission recommendation or anyone wishing to object to any condition of the rezoning may at this time request the petition be pulled from the consent agenda in which case that application will be heard under the regular agenda later on during the meeting otherwise all resounding applications on the consent agenda will be approved by a single motion and vote if you wish to speak to any petition please give your name and address and whether or not you've been sworn for the record these are quasi-judicial public hearings the law in florida is that mere public support or opposition of an application is insufficient for this board to take action please limit your comments to those criteria found within the board's land development code okay um do we have proof our needs just okay yes we're in the public and then you uh any person intending to give testimony on any of the resulting items that are to be heard if you would please rise please raise your right hand do you swear a firm the testimony you will give in this matter is the truth so help you god when you come forward to the podium to speak for the record please indicate whether you've been sworn state your name and address and spell out your last name if you would please thank you please be seated for item p 37 we have proof of publication in the december 22nd 2021 edition of the tampa bay times e37 is pd 227561 this is a zoning amendment u.s wholesale pipe and tube mpud it's for a change in zoning from a c2 general commercial district to an mpud master plan unit development district um this is for development consistent with i1 light industrial park district uses this comes through with a recommendation of approval with conditions from the planning and development department and the planning commission and um it's with the approval with conditions as included in your agenda packet is there anyone here who wishes to speak to this item if not uh anyone online no we have no one online okay we'll keep it on the consent p39 uh p-38 sorry 2038 we have proof of public well actually this was published for the january 11th board of county commissioners meeting and continued at that time to be heard today okay i don't have that note p-38 is pdd227573 it's a zoning amendment in the name of mhc forest lake estates expansion for a change in zoning from ac agricultural district c2 general commercial district with specific uses and er2 a state residential district to rmh mobile home district this comes to you with a recommendation of approval from the planning and development

department commission is there anyone here wish to speak to this item the only person we have signed up is representing i believe the applicant um well if that if there's no one here in opposition the applicant might wave and we'll keep it on con okay we'll keep it on consent seeing opposition that is the extent of our consent agenda today i'll take a motion approval all in favor aye opposed all right thank you very much p 41. 40. is the companion item to the one you just heard okay one consent and [Music] hi good afternoon wesley hanks from real property and planning this is an agreement for exchange of real property of gateway drive requested by mhc forest lake estates expansion llc the developer is seeking approvals to develop its property and has proposed constructing a new alignment to connect cr-54 to frontier drive which then connects to mark's avenue and upon completion of the frontier drive expansion to exchange the newly constructed frontier drive extension with the gateway drive parcels this is a sketch of the proposed land exchange from the developer along the western edge of the property is the proposed new frontier drive extension the current alignment is south from county road 54 where it then curves to the east along the southern boundary of the parcel and connects to frontier drive the eastern edge of the parcel depicts the closure of gateway drive the pasco county owned parcels of gateway drive are to be conveyed to the developer and on the western side is the frontier drive extension that mhc will grant to the to pasco county a few key points to consider are mhc to obtain easement releases or terminate the agreement the frontier drive extension is subject to site plan review the new road is to be built by mhc and gateway drive to be closed only after the new road is open the team recommends approval thank you okay um do you wanna i know the applicant's here but do you wanna see if someone is here to object to this madam chair clark hobby hobby and hobby 109 north brush street tampa florida have been sworn i think we have a couple of residents that want to speak in favor of it i just was going to say very briefly the land swap agreement that you see on the agenda now was a product of a community meeting that we had almost two years ago

before covet started commissioner oakley was present that night and the residents all told us that they really were in favor of creating a system that would create the possibility for a better view shed into their rural lots south of the the project and that's what this land swap is all about we've spent a bunch of time and money working with the neighbors and the only question after today is whether we can get the consent from the last few people uh who are holdouts and i'm hoping after today's vote that you've already taken on the rezoning that they will come along if they don't we will we won't be able to finish the land swap and we'll have you know the the road system more or less as it is today anyway thank you madam chairman before mr harvey leaves so but you can move forward with a rezoning that was just approved with or without that's right we set it up both ways in case because we realized about a year and a half ago that we had to get these private consent so we set it up so it could work either way thank you thank you um mr stein snyder just to clarify the uh public notice on this uh the the notice that i have was actually before and then there was the subsequent resolution that it was adopted by the board so how does that resolution cover this meeting mr shample i have the notice from the newspaper that we ran twice and it was continued last time okay so the uh this was continued from the january 11th meeting to this date and time correct okay so the notice was published uh for on uh they continued for it was it was published for the january uh hearing and then at the january hearing was continued to today so it was published in the december 26th and january 2nd 22 editions of the tampa bay times to be heard on the 11th and continue today that's right okay just clarifying the record i understand and i have a question on that just the county administrator shouldn't that be under our notes here shouldn't say continued from i mean we used to do that so two of these now don't have that today in our agenda but it seems to me we used to have that record as well that it was continued from okay so do we have anyone wishing to speak to this item today this is item p40 and i do not have anyone on my list here come somebody lady kendall i'd like to speak also okay hi i'm joanne hopper i live in force excuse me frontier drive acres which is affected by we need your um address for the yes 53-13 sare lane zephyrhills33540 i want to thank you all for letting me

speak and uh i'm interested in having the new road adopted and the reason is because when you add 120 new homes that is going to affect the ability of people to get in and out of the property their own properties so um there are 53 lots in frontier acres and of those 52 homes are occupied and one home is going to be built the remaining 37 there are only 15 people having the deeds of right of passage the remaining 37 residents have a prescriptive right of passage in accordance with florida law considering the access to be a prescriptive easement after 20 years the present access road is through the middle of forest lake mobile home they have generously offered us a new asset road on their property to ease the burden of the traffic forest lake is a retirement community the residents of frontier acres are mostly working and therefore that will cause a a real um as it is now when be when the um winter residents come back i mean it really is difficult to get out and you add 120 more it's going to really make it difficult um in addition to this i believe that when uh a home does come up for sale in the development and they realize when they're selling this home that the people who are looking at it have to go through a mobile home park and find the amount of traffic involved that it would decrease their desire to buy the property and therefore decrease eventually the uh value of the homes there which of course will decrease the taxes that you all receive so um we would really appreciate it if you would be giving us some consideration to adopt the part of the plan that they have to put the road on the west side or the east side of it and um i think there was more here when i also said the deed of passage owners are required to maintain this access and that deed of passage owners have not maintained the access of this property for 20 years but the non-deed a passage holders have fixing the holes in the road and mowing it right away a non-odor hat i am requesting that since the majority of the users of the present road would like to have um separate access to our homes and there are 15 that have the deed of access but only six are the people who are not willing to sign it over um the development then we want to see if it's time for me to exactly thank you very much good job very good job okay thank you

thank you very much is there anyone else wishing to speak to this item please come up name and address for the record please my name is bob orris o-r-o-s and sam z as in zebra i live at 5306 frontier drive and the meeting two years ago mr oakley was at the neighborhood asked me to speak for them and so over the last two years many arduous discussions we live in tense times has not gotten the democratic vote that would agree with this because the bottom 37 which don't have the deeds that have to be signed over 35 of those 37 won it badly several of those people are here right now on the top side of the 15 they have the deeds they basically have the bottom half captive because unless they sign it doesn't matter what anybody else thinks so my approach was to go to all of them and say you know don't we have an american flag i mean don't we think about things what's best for all of us don't we think about what everyone wants i understand if it's at 51 but this is at 90 percent okay but still these six that won't sign are have odd reasons i'll give you some the lights will shine in our windows differently it will be unsafe for us to pull out from where we are which was a whole nother discussion how that means we hear that i like watching traffic drive by my house you are running me running for county commissioner or the mayor of zephyr hills both untrue severely untrue no offense these are the things that have come back as reasons why they would not sign these deeds and then lastly two of them said wave 10 thousand or fifteen thousand dollars in front of us from this billion dollar company and we'll consider it all of them are unacceptable in the way i think ethically and every other way all right um i'm happy to you have another job if you want you have another one but i believe i firmly believe that equity has been over backwards to try to please the neighborhood and the six people strong six people there's a couple that are being pulled one way or another but the strong six people that don't want to are illogical they're not considering anybody else and these guys have been good these guys have really tried to make it a win-win by saying let's combine them together let's move you over here with the road you'll have your own access it'll look better the road will be in repair as opposed to disrepair

there there really should be a no-brainer it's almost ridiculous to have to let the road go by the wayside the new road because six people are holding 53 captive so i don't know if there's anything i can do i have three seconds gladly be out thank you very much i appreciate everything you guys maybe now with these approvals maybe they'll see the light so let's hope uh is there anyone else that wants to speak to this is there anyone on webex no commissioner oakley yes um i met with bob and also gordon hyde in those community meetings and mr hobby from two years ago and we had several of those meetings even one in the street one time with all the neighbors and we worked very hard to try to meet the needs of everybody and it finally was determined that we'd do this road on the west side of the mobile home park where you wouldn't have to drive through the center and it would give you a better access to your home for the estate properties in behind the forest lakes and it's a very good settlement for them and i appreciate all those who work with us because they were very sensible bob and and gordon led that and clark did all the work he can he can do to get that to happen for us because at first it wasn't something they were just willing to come out and build another road but they finally agreed on that and that's the best result for the people in behind forest lakes so and maybe those six holdouts will change their minds and and with that i would uh move approval second thank you and with a quick discussion aren't they also paving an additional one mile south of that at no cost to the homeowners and the residents because if we were as he gave the scenario to waive a 10 000 if there was a pvas out there i'm sure the pvas would cover cost probably about ten thousand dollars so the developer sound and the applicant sounds like they're willing to pay that cost nice yep okay all in favor aye opposed okay p-41 we have proof of publication in the december 22nd 21 uh edition of the tampa bay times good afternoon liam divine planning and development item p41 pdd 22-7579 in the name of distinct development date city slash happy hill road it is a zoning amendment from ar agricultural residential district to r1 rural density residential district to a r4 high density residential district the subject site is currently located on the northwest corner of the intersection of happy hill road and sarah lynn drive

this is a look at the aerial view to the south and east of the subject site is the sweetwater apartment complex and to the north is mobile homes mobile manufactured homes and single family dwellings the surrounding future land use to the north is res 3 and res 6 to the south and east is res 6 and to the west is res 1 and res 6. the surrounding zoning to the north is r1 ar and ac to the east is ar and mf1 to the south is r1 and mf1 and to the west is r1 and ar the subject site is currently undeveloped consisting of hay fields on approximately 18.78 acres the applicant proposes to develop the property with approximately 75 single family detached dwelling units in conformance with the r4 high density residential district standards the surrounding area is characterized by residential development and agricultural pursuits the subject area has the future land use classification of res six under the comprehensive plan and sorry access to the property is from happy hill road a county maintained collector road with approximately 66 feet of right-of-way and this is coming with a recommendation for approval from plan from planning commission and pdd staff thank you uh and here we have the applicant board members clark hobby hobby and hobby pa i think we only have one objector on this matter as one neighbor again just would point out on this site it's very small site even though the r4 zoning that's at issue could yield about 75 units in reality it'll only be either 51 or 52 which is basically under the res 3 future land use density and this site has res 6. the site was never in the northeast pasco rural area there's been a multi-family to the immediate south of the site for over 20 years so we feel by going to a euclidean district and not seeking 40 or even 50 foot lots what we're doing is in keeping with the area and we don't believe we'll have an inordinate burden on happy hill road and our transportation or timing and phasing analysis shows that there is adequate capacity there just a reminder for those of you all who live on west pasco the city of dade city has annexed several projects within about a mile or so of the site there'll be about a thousand or two thousand units uh that are being built primarily by dr horton up there so this project will have a de minimis impact compared to that jeff thank you i'm happy to answer any questions okay do we have anyone signed up to speak to this item alisa weaver miss weaver if you would just to acknowledge that you were sworn and you have your name and address for the record yes i was sworn alisa weaver 12843 happy hill road dade city 33525 w-e-a-v-e-r thank you for letting me address my concerns about rezoning the property on

happy hill road i guess my question is how did the zoning change on happy hill road positively affect the health safety welfare welfare of our surrounding community the rezoning of this parcel to i-4 hard density is not really consistent with much of the area the majority of the properties in the surrounding area are minimum of one acre and quite a few larger parcels of ten or more acres changing one parcel to r4 is would be a detriment to the surrounding residents we live a rural lifestyle and not looking for close neighbors the additional lights noise traffic will have a negative impact on the world lifestyle that i love and would like to keep the traffic is is a major concern the happy hill road's been a scenic two-lane rural road with the current conditions it is a steady stream of traffic with many going well over the 45 and 35 mile per hour speed limits that's posted visibility is consider i would consider is low being the speed that people travel on the road i've been run off the road there's accidents vehicles going through my fences on a regular occurrence it's been stated that a traffic study has been completed and that happy hill road showed sufficient capacity for this and additional developments further to the north that's truly difficult to believe if you travel happy hill road has the county completed a traffic study or only the engineers hired by the developer i think it's time for pasco county to get smart with their progressive development and not just say yes to additional development now is the time to support your current and long-term pasco county homeowners and residents before allowing more high density development i ask you to deny this proposal for the parcel on happy hill road thank you is there anyone else wishing to speak to this is there anyone else online that would wants to speak to this we have no one online okay then um does the applicant want to receive madam chair if i might just and i won't belabor it but you could argue that the proposal before you is not uh compatible with the area because we don't have a high enough density there's an apartment complex right next to us so we're going way down from the apartment complex from what is effectively something that's at 15 18 units per acre to under three with regard to the level of service and the transportation we have to follow the code and the methodology that the county requires our transportation engineer to follow and the study that was done the timing and phasing analysis that the county staff reviewed and approved showed that the adopted level

of service for this area is clearly met and that the level of service with our project on there is only b as in boy there aren't a lot of county roads with that low of a level of service anymore in the county so i feel what we're doing is wholly consistent with the area i'm proud of it we didn't ask for super small lots and i think it'll be a credit to the community so thank you thank you um mr oakley it's your district yep it fits in the property fairly well when you're right next to apartments like that like mr hobby spoke of and uh not asking for they're not asking for 40-foot lots and things of that nature which would be very dense and very crowded so uh that and the fact that the traffic study shows that there's availability on happy hill road so with that i'll move for approval thank you any discussion all in favor aye opposed it is approved and now we are on to 42. madam chairman members of the board this matter was continued from the board of county commissioners on january 11th oh just a moment please let me ask a question on that one that we did before you guys got the advertising right it was all fine yeah clark's other one okay i turned off my mic that i i knew you were having some discussion because i think clark had his proof if we needed it yeah that's what i'm kind of checking yeah the the resolution that that mr sample had in the package was indicated that it was for january 11th this board took action on january 11th to continue it so hearing today was appropriate for that okay um and again on this particular matter this uh was published in the template times on november 24th for the meeting of january the 11th for a hearing and can then continue to this day all right thank you valerie brookins with the planning and development department um today is uh case number pd 22088 is a large-scale comprehensive plan amendment under the name cpal 2110 north pasco rv resort this shows the location it is in the north market area as well as the northeast pasco rural area it is along i-75 east of lake iola and south of blanton road the proposals to mend the future land use map 2-15 sheet 7 from a-g-a-r agriculture rule to pd planned development contains approximately 132 acres and to allow for rv resort with a maximum of 550 rv spaces as i state it's along i-75 east of lake like iola road and south of blanton resolution is to amend the future land use maps 215 sheet 7 and create a sub-area policy 7.1.63 north pasco rv resort and amend the future land use map 2-9 creating

sub-area 2-9 63 north pasco rv resort there is also a master plan unit development rezoning proposal that be required to implement the standards in the sub-area policy this shows existing future land use which is the agricultural rule the proposed to go to pd and this shows the conceptual plan and the following policies were found to be consistent with the comprehensive plan policy flu 1.6.1 commercial development policy flu 2.15 protection of existing topography policy flu 2.19 rural lighting standards policy flu 2.11 rural residential roads policy flu 2.1.13 provision of potable water in sanitary sewer on january 6 the local planning agency recommended approval to the board of county commissioners and staff recommends the board of county commissioners find the proposed amendment consistent with the comprehensive plan and authorized transmittal to deo and other review agencies okay i think we have the applicant coming up now and the applicant has requested and been granted some extra time good afternoon barbara wilhite 23 excuse me 6327 grand boulevard newport richie 34652 while they're bringing up um our first powerpoint of a few things i'd like to have the board receive and file we have some handouts with some exhibits at the dyess the clerk's been has a copy of that as well we have our two powerpoints my powerpoint and francis chandlerino's powerpoint that they have they're electronic um we have a compound analysis and a zoning analysis hard copy and francis chandler mourinho's um resume if we could receive the receiving file second second all in favor i um number one no yeah it starts with the picture thank you i have my project team here everybody's healthy in here can't say that all the time joe simoneau from wra steve henry and alia teffy from links and associates greg mayfield from southern water who is working with us on our wastewater treatment facility the francis chandler mourinho brian nolan from lucido associates our landscape architect proud to have them all here they've been a wonderful team and i'd like to tell you about north paschal rv resort this is the transmittal hearing of the comprehensive plan amendment we will be back before you assuming you vote to move forward today we back before you on april 5th for the comp plan adoption hearing as well as the mpd zoning hearing project history we've been working on this for a couple years now looks like

it's an anniversary of of our submittals on on the 19th of february we first started out with 675 rv spaces which was kind of a guess we were in the land use and zoning world of you know we didn't know all of our design details went to our first neighborhood meeting on september 10 2019 had about 100 people there it was at lake javita a lot of interest and a lot of questions were very specific and we wanted to answer those questions and so we slowed down and hired this wonderful team to join to join the project and went through a lot of details and through that we realized that our rv resort would have 550 spaces and we had a second neighborhood open house on august 25th 2021 less people we before that open house we did a community outreach website sent that notice to everybody within a thousand feet and every person that attended that neighborhood meeting got the link to our community outreach website which had a lot of information on it we did that so that a lot of times with projects like this it's kind of somebody tells somebody to tell somebody to tell somebody and the facts get lost so we want to make sure the facts were out there this is located along i-75 south of the blanton road interchange the first interchange when you come south on i-75 into pasco county i-75 that location has 48 500 vehicles per day in 2020 volumes a lot of people coming into pasco county our resorts can have a minimum of 10 000 square feet of resort lodge and clubhouse facilities maximum 550 rv spaces they can accommodate rvs yurts air streams or resort cottages so if you don't have your own vehicle to drive in or excuse me own rv to drive in or pull in you can rent a resort cottage or airstream like a hotel room and enjoy the resort that way as well we have no density no dwelling units no permanent attachments to our rvs yurts airstreams or resort cottages and our project could not be subdivided this is not density these are not lots these are not dwelling units looking at our project and how it compares to other projects in the county from eight rv spaces per acre lowest rv spaces per acre at 4.66 rv spaces per acre quail run to our south is about double little less than double of that i-75 frontage three lakes rv you can see the you know i don't need to read them to you can see the different rv spaces per acre of different projects most recently and corporate resort was was approved and a little bit more v spaces per acre but you can see that as we design these better the rv spaces per acre are coming down

and that's what quail run looks quail run looks like at almost double the rv spaces per acre and that's how it's amenitized we have no full-time residents and our resort cottages cannot be homesteaded our maximum maximum occupancy in any 12-month period shall be less than six months and that question came up with planning commission how do you know well the state because on these types of projects the state has a tourist tax and they have taxes that they want to collect and so they make sure that you have to do a guest register as a state requirement and to to prove that that people are only staying no more than six months six months is a state law definition of transient and so that's what we follow that's what all the rv parks follow and our guest register will include lice license plate verification which is how do you know that the wife didn't sign the register for six months and then the husband signed the register for six months while you verify the license plates i've always been asked whenever i go to rv park i have to show them my license plate on my rv and at the county's request i think we're only supposed to the state statute has less time than three years to maintain that log the county's request we're going to maintain that register for longer we've opened it up to the pasco county the tax collector or the school board if they want to check to make sure those state rules are being followed after our first neighborhood meeting we hired a private wastewater treatment facility design some folks to do that we do have a private wastewater treatment facility planned it's going to serve only the resort cannot be expanded and it's maintained by the resort owner we prepared a topological survey we hired a landscape architect brian nolan who is here he did the wonderful materials that are together with dawn foresee studios who did some of the renderings did the wonderful plan that you have in front of you all exceeding the code because the code doesn't require a plan like that we are a couple of highlights of our conceptual site plan and and brian is here you know if you want to talk to him more um we looked at i asked my team you know there's a lot of green space on here what is the green space and they said about 50 is green space open space and that's not including the rv space green space and landscaped areas and i asked them tell me about these pads and natured walk because they're extensive and they're about two miles which is about the distance i like to run so it's perfect for me this is our concept plan very thoughtfully laid out our amenity is centralized most resorts probably

would have put it down by the lake we made our area down by the lake passive no motorized vehicles rendering of our resort lodge rendering of rv spaces we designed our lake loyola quarter buffer which you do have in your handouts as well to well exceed the standards for northeast pasco you do have a quarter buffer requirement for your scenic roads in your land development code it applies to residential development we took that and we exceeded as you can see our firm at the base is 48 feet wide the ldc buffer is 25 it's at grade 25 feet we have 13 qualifying trees per 100 linear feet the land development code is four our trees are four inches land development code's three and the trees are our trees are twelve feet high and the gland development code is eight we also design an internal master landscape tree plan which there's no ldc requirement for if we just followed your code we would put buffers around like other parks put buffers around and put some plants around our clubhouses we designed rv spaces landscape tree plan again no requirement for those we'll specifically go over those if you want to hear about today that's fine but we can specifically go over those in more detail at our next hearing which actually is the hearing on the mpud where these details are more relevant but i wanted to get you an idea of what we've done and what the quality of the project is this is the quarter buffer cross section 100 foot cross 100 foot setback from the right of way of lake oil today to the first rv spaces this is a the rendered master landscape plan the plant plan these are the rv space details of how we're going to landscape our rv spaces we did after listening to the neighborhood we prohibited the launching of motorized vehicles on moody lake we limited the recreational uses adjacent to the lake to passive we prepared an updated transportation analysis we committed to northbound and southbound turn lanes on lake ayola road although not warranted so our rvs will get out of the lane of travel we met with county staff about the blanton road lake island intersection which mr commissioner oakley also attended those meetings we added things to our sub-area policies which is relevant to the discussion today because you're considering a transmittal of the comp plan we re the recreational uses we've talked about requirement for cut off luminaries landscape and tree preservation buffers like available to quarter buffer prohibitions of chain-link fences preservation of existing native vegetation 100 setback i mentioned no

mining and regulations on grading didn't all didn't create these all myself these are regulations from your land development code that you adopted for residential development and we you have not done your your commercial code for northeast pasco your non-residential code so we put all those provisions into the comp plan to make them regulatory and then we had francis chandler-moreno take a look at our applications and our documents and make an independent determination of whether we were consistent with the comp plan and whether we met the requirements to zone the property as requested something that we did not present to um planning commission because we could see the comments we do get copies of the comments that are sent to the county and there were quite a few comments about the use of bicycles in this area and so we so we took a look at that and our project is right here so you can see there's a common bike path people use like route excuse me it comes up lake iowa road underneath the interstate along our frontage up to um the road here ranch bay ranch road wait a minute i know the name just doing a blank bay head road excuse me it's right there in front of me and so we looked at that and we do share the road with bicycles when we our rvs exit and go north on lake iola our entrance is at johnston and bay head is one intersection up so we would be sharing the road as we go north our rvs or our traffic so in considering that we looked at your northeast pasco multimodal safety action plan 2018 that aecom did and we looked at what their recommendations were for shoulders and they recommend shoulders as a technique to be able to have traffic and bikes basically share the road and kind of expand the road so there's room for both the standard is four feet wide and that's the recommended shoulder width in that study when you're going uphill side to side uphill side is steep grades when you know when you do this to your bike to try to get up they recommend six so we don't have any steep grades like that on this stretch of lake gaiola road but we are proposing a six foot wide instead of the minimum four that the study recommended on the east side of lake aryola from and we could just start at johnston and just go to bay head because that's where we share the road but we wanted to have we've spent a lot of detail on this project and we want to have a consistent

front of our project so we're starting that shoulder further south as you come up lake iowa under the interstate then on the on you'll be on your right hand side as you're biking the shoulder will start then and go up to bay head bay head is off site so there'll be a section of that will go up on the east side of lake iola past johnston which is our entrance up to bay head which is off-site and then the bicyclists turn left on bay head we also are going to make sure we incorporate and obviously your traffic operation staff will help us with with this we need a right-of-way use permit but we're gonna i did note we did notice in the study that an edge stripe with audible pavement markers or rumble stripping is another thing that you add when you do these types of shoulders this is a graphic that shows what i i tried to verbally depict to you and that's the end of my presentation um i have francis chan moreno wants to go through the comp plan consistency with you and our team is here to talk further i knew she'd be wearing some some kind of shoe i had to look she has the best shoe collection good afternoon commissioners my name is francis chandler mourinho m-a-r-i-n-o-1239 fruit cove road north st john's florida and i have been sworn again thank you um as barbara mentioned she had contacted me and asked me to review the application that you have before you to assess whether or not it was consistent with the comprehensive plan to do that i prepared a report that includes the entirety of my assessment and so as this presentation i want to summarize what that includes the standard of review that i used for consistency is established by florida statute so that's the standard that i used it's supplemented by pasco county comprehensive plan your plan also provides provisions for how it should be reviewed and what constitutes consistency so those are the two things that i use to make that determination the comprehensive plan establishes a protocol for how you review and present that information and it's done in four parts so that's how my report is set up and that's also how this presentation is set up the four parts that you're required to look at is the general comprehensive plan review itself in this particular case it contains two parts a general compatibility review and then a review specifically with the policies of the northeast pasco rural area

the second part of the review is relative to natural resources and natural features the third is general public facilities and services and the fourth is transportation i have no idea how this works oh there we go the first item is compatibility under the comprehensive plan review the first thing that i looked at was the location and the adjacencies for the subject site um it is uh located in an area where the predominant existing use is agriculture vacant some large lot residential and the predominance is interstate 75. as i looked at the compatibility for this site it is the location of the interstate and the proximity from that site to the interchange with blanton road that most informed my determination of compatibility the interstate is a multi-lane uh interstate facility as barbara pointed out it carries forty eight thousand 500 cars a day today uh that's a very intensive existing use on its uh two adjacencies the adjacency to the east and the south so that informed uh the general use of an rv park next to the interstate more specifically as related to the intensity of that use what informed my decision about consistency was that it was being requested under a planned development that's important and relevant because the comprehensive plan establishes planned developments in a specific way it requires them to have mpud zoning and it requires that mpud zoning to be pursuant to a specific master development plan in that way any other adjacencies can be regulated specifically in this case the application addressed the compatibility for all of the adjacent um adjacencies that it has in two ways also important so not simply is it included in the mpud zoning commitments as is required for a pud but it also included a sub-area policy text amendment that's important because the very specific compatibility and design provisions that were established in the mpud zoning is actually being embedded into the comprehensive plan for me that was significant because it requires any revision to those to require a plan amendment so it's a more secure way to ensure that that compatibility is maintained over time specifically the compatibility commitments that were included to address those adjacencies included undisturbed or undeveloped uh and landscape buffers along the western and northwestern boundary and along i-75 it increased size and opacity of screening through the berms along lake aiola road it increased the setbacks uh that were required then

in addition to those that were required along lake aiola road there is no residential density permitted on this site um it is defined under the comprehensive plan that defines commercial uses as a commercial use rv parks are commercial use under the pasco county comprehensive plan and the compatibility commitments and standards are are going to be adopted as part of the comp plan itself the second part of the comprehensive plan review that i did was to look at the north pasco rural area policies the north uh although i reviewed all of the policies uh in that goal that represents the northeast pasco rural area there are four types of policies that have some potential to impact development review those include those that ensure that the timing and location for any increase in residential density is limited so there's a lot of policies in the rural area plan that speak directly to increased residential density the second is design direction although your comprehensive plan does not include any development regulations it does provide direction to the land development code in the form of requiring the code to include those and it can sometimes specify what those are so there is some design direction in those policies there are policies that restrict infrastructure in northeast pasco in order to limit the number of lanes um and create certain limitations for extending central water and central sewer and then fourth there were um policies that limit changes in grade uh to protect the rolling topography of that area out of all of the policies that i reviewed relative to the rural area there are only four that were tangentially applicable to this site i say tangential because they relate most directly to residential but they do provide design direction and the applicant had included a response to those as a more restrictive way to address that and so i reviewed that in that case those four it starts with policy flu 2.1.5 which is the protection of existing topography that policy is implemented through the land development code specifically section 604 0.5 that the code has uh two specific ways um that it directs the protection of topography one is it limits the grading on a piece of property so that you cannot change it by more than a certain percentage and it restricts mining this application addressed both of those provisions in as much as it restricted a grading within a slope of 10 percent as required by the land development code

and provided a commitment that there would be no mining on this site so it addressed both of the things that the code had included the second policy was policy flu 2.1.9 relative to rural lighting standards that policy is implemented through the land development codes section 604.5 f uh that provision provides specific standards for lighting and the application that i reviewed met that standard by also requiring the cutoff luminaries as required by the land development code the third policy was policy 2.1.11 rural residential roads that policy is actually implemented through the land development code section 604.4c1 there are several provisions to this in terms of how you protect rural residential roads that relates to corridor tree preservation of a certain size and larger requiring that a buffer be preserved it also has certain standards in there for how that buffer is to be established the application included commitments for each and every one of those meeting or exceeding that standard provided in the code in terms of tree preservation uh introducing a landscape berm uh other six foot height with the four to one side slopes and uh the average the approximate 48 feet width at the base and then the landscaping along those berms that section also provides provisions relative to building setbacks from the adjacent scenic road corridor and the application met that setback in addition it speaks to fences and walls along the rural residential roads it prohibits certain type of fences and requires others in the application they also prohibited the chain link fences the opaque walls all the things that were required in the code they also included in their commitments policy flu 2.1.13 provision of potable water and sanitary sewer it is not implemented through a code it's merely a policy that does not allow the extension of central services into the rural area as such this application did not propose to extend central services into the area but rather would provide an on-site package plant system and well uh the second area that was to be reviewed was natural resources the plan calls out the specific natural

resources that are to be evaluated wellhead surface and groundwater wetlands critical linkages habitats and historic and archaeological sites the application did not identify any feature cultural feature that would be impacted by the development and it included commitments to address the protection of other environmental features in this manner as it related to um gopher tortoise 100 of the gopher tortoise survey conducted according um to uh the particular fish and wildlife conservation commission guidelines their um was restriction to construction activities within the wetland up and buffer as depicted on the construction plans uh the copy of the water management district environmental resource permit uh will be sent to the planning and development department when it's completed and if during construction any evidence of any uh state or federal protective plant or animal species is discovered all work in that area she'll come to an immediate stop until the permits had been obtained the third area was related to general public facilities that included water and sewer and storm water as said the water will be provided by private well and the waste water will be provided by the package plant the applicant has proposed specific conditions to comply with the stormwater requirements of pasco county and finally transportation uh a transportation analysis was conducted uh barbara went through that specifically with you um there's uh it will operate within the adopted level of service uh with the background traffic and the addition of the project traffic and they have proposed a 315 foot northbound right turn lane and 415 foot southbound turn lane left turn lane on lake iola road even though that was not required by the warrants simply because of the the size of the rvs that would be pulling in there they wanted to make sure that there was clearance that concludes uh my presentation i'm happy to answer any questions that you have now or later remember any questions good no good good report thank you um miss well hi to believe the folks that are on this list are probably other members of your team uh steve uh henry um ben raymond so that conclude that um concludes our presentation we have our members here for rebuttal depending on what the questions might be but uh if you want to open up for public hearing that'll be fun i just wanted to make sure these that were signed up on

this list were part of your team and not others wanting to speak correct yes yep so i heard steve henry brian nolan yes and joe chimo justin yes they're here all right thank you thank you okay at this time we will go to public comment we have a list yes we do uh john russell good afternoon john russell 1710 highland lane dade city 33523 um i am dooley sworn thank you sure so uh i am i've been a resident of pasco county for more than 20 years i'm a health care professional i provide care to people who reside in various rv parks as part of my clientele and i can tell you without a question um i am well acquainted with that the area in question and an rv park of which i'm very familiar zephyr hills has loads of them uh this is no place to put in an rv park for multiple multiple reasons uh i'll give a first one for uh consideration about a month month and a maybe five weeks ago within a mile of the proposed project i personally saw a florida panther okay and i'm willing to swear on that couldn't take a picture because it ran across the street in front of me but it without question was a florida panther points to consider how does this project benefit current residents and wildlife does it restrict the free movement of wildlife i think there's no question about that um that it it does not benefit the people who live there when you start uh you know pouring concrete uh putting in pads uh to mount some 40 foot long rvs um it's an eyesore and when we talk about lighting well lighting they're going to have a 15 000 square foot band shell or something as part of this project i think i get more than um more than more than one minute correct right now you have a minute left what's that yeah i have a minute left okay um the references for rv resorts none of which were in pasco county uh the property tax revenue from this project versus maintaining one and five acre lots um is insubstantial compared to if we just left it at the same zoning um this is really a degradation or uh desecration of a very scenic area um i would like to i'd like to know how we

define topography and uh it's quite frankly these uh these presentations that were provided by the people uh uh representing the developer um they were laughable at best john russell had my mba i am uh i am a well-educated person who cares about the quality of pasco county and uh this is not a quality development yes thank you very much okay next so i forgot to mention uh insiders working on behalf of the insiders and developers i've watched it for 20 years thank you very much sasha julia if you go if you guys do that we have three bailiffs here and we're gonna escort you out because that's that's not kosher yeah uh name and address for the record please i'm julia sasha bartonic i live at 2645 meadowwood that's all one word meadowwood drive newporichi florida 346.55 and i'm an affiliate with the sierra club pasco conservation committee i'd like to say that green spaces are pasco county's most valuable resources i'm speaking against this development in this northeast rural area that needs to remain protected and my opposition to this takes precedence over all the other following comments that i will make i apologize for interrupting do you acknowledge that you were sworn i am sworn thank you sir um i'd like to reinforce that having a traffic corridor anywhere does not necessitate high density levels behind it around it you can have a scenic corridor around high traffic corridors in fact the county has done that already for example at the starkey ranch how wonderful if we could preserve upon entry to pasco county this wonderful view of god-given green rolling hills on the visitors and new residents to pasco could feel uplifted upon entry these green spaces help mental health they they help productivity in both school students and workplaces they help mental health um they help productivity and they also reduce a mental illness and they also prevent suicide um i'd also like to say that there were several um notes that were not mentioned that are in our comprehensive plan um the comprehensive plan does encourage more use of native species and all developments um also in our comprehensive plant it talks about renewable saving our resources so that we should also have in any development so hopefully this development will not go in that area

i'm not against the specific development but definitely in that area but hopefully all our developments can have solar ev charging stations walkable communities and also i really love this idea that i heard at another commission meeting of having bikeable communities enter walking throughout pasco county pasco county could become um noted because people come here because we have green spaces left not just to make money they come here for peace of mind and we also need dark sky lighting in developments such as this and i would love to see pasco county um becoming like the 12th most bikable county in the united states that was something we'll be really proud of and we've already made strides with that on some of the trails that we've developed thank you for letting me share thank you for the time thank you next we have moretti uh that was for a different item oh okay and lisa has requested extra time and has five minutes thank you um i have a written statement that i'd like to submit into the record madam chairman i have a copy for each commissioner all in favor aye aye she representing a group yeah with madam chair yeah i met with the residents i also met with the developer or the applicant oh same okay also i have an ex parte form for commissioner fitzgerald it's patrick i'm sorry thank you go ahead you don't have to wait for this okay my name is lisa moretti i reside at 16331 lake iola woods trail uh dade city and uh i am sworn so uh i'm going to speak very fast because i obviously i gave you quite a packet i'm going to just try to summarize things for you in three in the five minutes that i have um i further want to make sure that my my comments are in the public record in the event that we need to pursue legal action against the county so the county has invested a significant amount of taxpayer monies on studies from gladding jackson the urban land institute and the time and services of our own planning department those plans have helped guide the country and county in creating a fiscal plan as well as its land use plans on january 6th of 2022 ms mourinho was paid by ms wilheit on behalf of the developer to testify to the planning commission that the rb park fits in the natural r in the rural sorry the rural plan perfectly and that you should disregard the urban density prohibitions in the rural area protections because i-75 travels next to the property where the proposed development is to be she testified that because of the

traffic volumes on the road abutting the property you should allow high-density development that's not residential and not commercial to move forward especially this is especially distressing considering that ms marino was the one that helped craft the northeast rural plan and that was not mentioned in 2006 so that didn't sound quite right to me so i approached various national agencies to find out what were best practices in planning i found out that a traffic corridor does not have to dictate a high-density surrounding area and that a scenic corridor can be an alternative in fact the county has done precisely this then i looked into transit-oriented development tod and concentrating density at interchanges which other people have spoken about today the rv park does not qualify for this type of need because it is considerably distant from the interchange it's 1.3 miles and you have no interconnected roadway system you have no uh services multimodal services that you'll be supplying out of the uh interchange area to the rv park so this is just a move to put density next to the interstate just because of density so with regard to the urban land institute's recommendations we also heard a little bit about this earlier you have urban service areas urban transition service areas in order to for urban spa this is important because in 2013 you use those recommendations to craft the fiscal and land use plans of the county at that time the urban land institute said you were already oversaturated for uh absorption based on what your development prognosis was at that point and that you would encounter a 14 billion dollar shortfall so asking for just in providing the mandated services of that infrastructure so we already know that growth doesn't pay for itself and i can cite you volumes of studies about that but you don't need it the northeast rural area serves a purpose beyond community protection it is your fail-safe by not having to provide services and infrastructure into the rural area you are balancing your budget and so um i would argue that you're legally obligated not to change the herbal tran urban transition service area and not to move urban into the northwest rural area or i'm sorry the northeast rural area let's see some of the best planning experts in the country created a plan for you gave you dire warnings about exactly what ms mourinho the developer and his will height are advocating for you to do if you are not going to follow those recommendations why do we have a comprehensive plan why spend our money on studies reports and documents why put us at further fiscal risk and put the county itself at legal and fiscal exposure when if you were to just

follow the long-range plan and preserve the rural area you're doing exactly the job of protecting the county ms wilheit has a responsibility to the developer that pays her ms mourinho has a responsibility to have her paying her fees at this point v care consultants and sanjay men have no ties to this community unlike our local developers he'll be out of the picture soon enough when he flips this property just like he did in sarasota and he moves on to the next one of the oakley properties he's purchased he has no responsibility to the properties in this area and he is not a steward of the land none of these people have a right to have an increase in zoning or density or a massive comprehensive plan change it is a request that you can say no to if you have the integrity to do so in 2019 i asked mr amin to sit down with the community and create a project that was more aligned with the vision of the community he offered to do my landscaping in return for my support i chose not to betray my neighbors for a few shrubs this project could be developed with a rural appeal a barn turning half of the spaces into horse trailer pads putting in a pasture instead of a water feature you could lower the density to an acceptable level maintain the rural character create a portal to net pasco county that was inviting and rural rather than a hillside covered with rvs and concrete but mr min couldn't be bothered to seek out our input he's only going to do what he wants to do to us and he says sorry it's going to be so painful for you um is that three minutes or five to five minutes that was my five that's what oh that's fine okay thank you very much thank you okay uh who do we have no you cannot hey you ladies know that okay you cannot do that here thank you richard riley i'd like to submit to the record um i i am richard reilly r-i-l-e-y 2-0-2-3-5 old chubby road we got emotional we have a motion in a second all in favor aye and don't wait for her to pass those out you go go ahead you can go ahead and start the pictures thank you greetings thank you for this opportunity to tell you how to do your job in reference to the proposed rv park in northeast royal protect protected northeast pasco county i live in trilby i'm a member of the northeast pasco on uh concerned citizens and i want to protect our part of the county commissioner moore you've been here since 19 since 2014 and i'm sorry to hear you feel you have to move on to another life i've appreciated your open humorous sharing personality and giving nature i am pleased that some of your legacy was that you slowed the growth

and the mass construction of townhouses and apartments in your district that makes pasco a bedroom community of tampa bay commission fitzpatrick you're new and have a good future and if we're able to work with you in controlling growth like you appear to be doing madam chair starking since 19 since 2021 i thank you for your active support of trails bikes and pedestrian needs and opportunities for the entire county your support environmental concerns are make you a green woman commissioner mariano you've been here forever [Laughter] specifically you've been a supporter since 2004 and an adviser to our membership many times whenever we get lost in the bureaucracy you have helped oakley since 2010 you're a district one commissioner our world-protected area is completely in your area and you are vocal in your support the well-being of your district uh acting clerk mr samples thank you for your organization's county-wide support to us you document record the publicize and advertise the activities of this body and you'll hold a wonderful uh group wedding on the court house steps next monday attorney against einsteiner you protect the commission and the county for lawsuits by making sure that black actions here are legal and county manager miles your duties are extensive in keeping this uh county running and together wow i'm going right up and to run since the details that are massive and inclusive you have the duty to implement everything that these uh board members do thank you for the first two minutes of my rural protection agency i'm not going to talk about details i want to appeal to your integrity your dignity your uh sense of fair play you don't have to approve every uh growth in here just because you they want it you have to acknowledge zoning of course but this is a change this is a major change this is uh uh changing it from one on uh something like on on 13 people to 550 people in one uh swoop on you i'm running out of time and so on that that is that is the summary we'll have a minute i'm sorry no that but this thing here says zero all right all right thank you very much thank you all right where are we joanne hopper joanne hopper uh is there any other all right come on up would it be john well let's see who signed up first so yeah that's okay we'll let everyone who wants to speak and speak but we're just going by our list okay offer 52. my name is thatwood and who i remember the most is jack wait wait wait uh address for the record

17604 spring valley road well when we did the comprehensive plan the rv park was there and we grandfathered it in and when we did that we said no more just what was there because we did not want lake iola polluted like a lot of other lakes in pasco county from the sewer systems and you will all remember that am i wrong and that's all i got to say good afternoon carol crews 17 500 spring valley road dave city florida okay i listen to the ladies and gentlemen talk about the what they want to add to it and from what i'm gathering it's 131 acres and 50 of it is open space so 50 from 132 acres would be 66 acres now you have to put your buffers in your roads i'm giving them 16 acres to do that so that means you have 50 acres left on this rv park where you're going to put 550 rv that is according to the state when you study it you have a minimum of five per acre on a normal average rv park or you have up to maximum nine so if i studied this and looked at this right that means they're asking for nine rvs that's at the maximum of what most rv parks are and this is the rural area so come on guys there's no way that you any of you here can say oh that's fine the people that live in the rural area want to live in the rural area the people that want to live in the city they can live in the city we don't choose to live in the city we choose to live in the rural area so give us we the people what we want thank you okay is there anyone else here that would wish to speak to this you can come up now name an address you don't have to be sworn hi my name is uh jp lions jimmy lyons i live on bay head road and i'm right in the middle of this district of the northeast rural protection community and i moved here in 96 i moved up from tampa and i love this area because it was so much like mobile the role that's my hometown the rolling hills the beautiful oaks they're being assaulted and this place is trying it feels like it's being turned into newport richie or brandon and we have the most beautiful land here ever and that area is right in the middle of it and uh the orange grove i think the greening has affected the orange grove the grove owners they want to get their developments because they can't grow oranges they don't want to redo it so there's been a major change in a lot of development and across the street for me a gentleman just purchased a 1.5 million dollar home one 1.5 million okay and you i'm sorry commissioner i'm just trying to remember 1.5 million home and he doesn't have any clue about this and people you know people love this area and i just don't want to do anything accusatory i appreciate you having me here to be able to talk to you respectfully about these problems but we got no input in these meetings we were

told what was going to happen when we went to travel when we went to lake javita we were told and that was no input there were three committees but we were basically told in a sense this is what's going to happen and we had r i had no input but what we want to know i've got i don't want to be accusatory because that's not right that's not respectful to this group what we really want to know is because i know all about the free landscaping through this developer in the neighborhood to get people to go ahead with it but how did this happen how did we get this gentleman that came in and i met him he's nice man trying to do the development how did he get here was he recruited by a county employee was he pushed by a county employee to put that development there why is he here because i've never heard of him and like most of these people they're like carpet bag not this person you know individually but they're like civil war carpetbaggers they come down here they put their scat everywhere and they split and what they're doing is they're turning this community into nothing more than people that aren't from here and any town that's vital has to have a nucleus of local people to care if you just have a community of people from everywhere it destroys the fabric you need that mix okay so i look at that and we want to know that the answer to that question and we want to know uh with vcare we know all about the the development but the one other thing i want to find out is and we've heard this is that there's a section land across the road if they get this zoning change is this being used as a pretext to change the zoning on that 240 acres and enveloped that area with intense development and we've also heard and we want to know this we've even heard the developers on the v not v care but yeah not v care but hilltop views that purchase that land they specialize in section 8 housing now i'm all for section eight it's great but do we want section in housing in areas where we don't have transportation is that what we want in this community we're going to become just a rolling hill of nothing but development and then what happens is people either move out of the county or they move to the edge of the edge of the county where there's no there's no traffic so we need answers to this we need to know the chronology of how this happened we've been kept in the dark completely about this thing and no offense to him and thank you very much thank you okay um is there anyone else who would wish to speak yeah um is there anyone else behind this speaker why don't you go ahead and line up and be um be ready and do we have anyone that's online to speak to this okay so if you're not in line then you can't speak because we're going to cut it off with the last person that gets in line uh i can't remember the name hey okay go ahead hi nancy hayswood 34110 a nice place state city i've been sworn

uh the rural area plans meeting started in 2005 there were over a hundred participants and perhaps we have a couple other citizens in the room that were at these rural area plan meetings could you please stand up you want to wave your hand richard so we do have a few we know the intent of the northeast rural area plan the citizens that participated in those meetings would never have agreed to a rural area plan that uses 75 to insert intensities into the rural area or had we known that the county would continually take large parcels out of our rural area plan which you all have done over time part of the agreement with pasco is letting voph develop at 40 000 units and that area seems to be developing as expected now the county seems to be changing the rules and once the citizens that the assistants agreed to and the rural areas being cut out now this property has ag on our side nag on the west side ag on the south side and 75. how can the applicant just use a fourth of the area around it to pull in these intensities that's the only place that can justify the use of these so you've got three-fourths of that that's all ag and you're gonna pull this in i think that could be urban sprawl without the residence this property has now i'm talking about consistently consistency and capacity how do you pronounce that cap capacity no okay yes thank you anyways this place has splash splash pads pools pickleball courts tennis court clubhouse lodge 550 rvs of course how is this compatible with the rural neighbors and wildlife habitat turkey bobcat gophers foxes horses cows and more and it's private and enclosed this is a rural community that the wildlife has coexisted with and when this comes it won't more consistency consistency and say it again fits commitment bill few sheds are protected in the northeast rural area and this is something that the applicant didn't go over you can drive along 75 and you enter pasco county just past the pasco county sign and you're going to see on a hill on your right a bunch of rvs i don't care how much buffering you put in there it's too low you look up that hill so maybe we want to change this welcome to pasco the land of the rv park bikes biker safety a real bike path would be much safer than those shoulders uh rvs and bikers don't mix it would be wonderful if you made this into a stronger condition barbara wilheit and francis chandler were at our first planning meetings and um they kind of switched hats and now they get panned by paid by land developers they did help right through

rural area plan but they didn't do a good job in fact they failed or we wouldn't be here this does not fit in the rural area and it's just another one of those years in the rural area thank you all appreciate it uh next please oh what what what are you doing i've got him for him that was candy just so y'all know it wasn't a private note okay hi i'm kelly smith my address is 38051 sunset avenue in dade city florida i have been sworn and if you could possibly put up the site plan of the prop of the proposed development that would be great so that per the ldc the intent of the northeast rural protected overlay is to protect the character of the rural landscape preserve scenic views and vistas and ensure that on-site development is compatible with the character of the surrounding area rural is defined as relating to or characteristic of the countryside rather than the town the proposed rv resort certainly looks more like a town than the countryside to me the proposed rv resort is the first thing you'll see when entering the northeast rural protected overlay from i-75 and it certainly won't be considered scenic in my opinion and i think as shown today through others conversations the proposed development is simply too intense now there seems to be a perception that the um community members are really only in concerned about the view um and that you know what they'll be able to see from the roadway that's not it we don't care about what you can see we care about the impact of what that development is going to have on our community the extra traffic the extra need for services the extra everything that's not appropriate in that area i'd like to ask for the record how this non-residential pud can be considered by the board today given the lack of non-residential standards in the comprehensive plan and the land development code for the northeast rural protected overlay in creating the overlay the county commissioners at the time gave large landowners the village of pasadena hills and the residents of the rural residents of the rural protected overlay substandard land use regulations that apparently can't hold up to the greed of developers i ask you to do better thank you thank you next hi i'm jim wegan last name is w-e-i-g-a-n-d i live at 29 129 johnston road lot 2534 date city and i hadn't planned on talking so i have not been sworn in so you don't have to be supported don't need to great uh i have a different concern that i think everyone else has talked to today i have

a safety concern uh lake iowa and blanton road intersection is blind for a long distance in both directions i would really encourage you that if you pass this that you look at doing something about that intersection because a 35 foot rv with a truck trying to turn left onto lake iowa road is going to block that intersection it does now i've seen very close to accidents already there and if we have another 550 lots in that area i really would encourage you to do something about that before somebody gets killed so thank you thank you all right this is our last speaker okay my name is susan meinhardt i live at 36644 blanton road dade city florida florida 33523 i am finishing lisa's comments because she ran out of time i'm going to reiterate that mr ahmed couldn't be bothered to seek our input he's going to do what he wants to do to us and he's sorry it will be so painful this rv park will cost pasco county money it will burden the residents financially and there will be limited return value to the community even developers say this project will boost tourism for wesley chapel mr ahmed well we aren't wesley chapel we are a rural area we are the taxpayers and we deserve to be represented by you the people that we elected we deserve you to follow the comprehensive plan and the urban land institute recommendations that we as taxpayers paid for the rural legal the rural area legally needs to be protected uh will you allow the county to court significant financial chaos and potential legal action please notice that not one person has stood up to agree with this project except for the people who have been paid to work with the development of it and i'm also a unfortunate um i inherited the part of the solar issue because i live on blanton hill and i have i'm right straight across from the 600 the 100 acres that was purchased by from the james's and the and the jordans and i didn't want that project to come to fruition because it should have been ranches it should have been horse farms

it should have been something agriculture not something that is an electrical entity i pray that you as elected officials will vote and and protect what we have paid you to protect for us thank you okay um that's the end of public comment and where's barbara okay you have uh comments time three minutes for rebuttals i'm just going to have uh francis channel mourinho speak to you um obviously the author of the plan and she can speak to the northeast pasco which is most of the things you heard other than a lot of derogatory things which aren't true but francis chandler all right thank you uh barbara francis chandler mourinho uh i will speak fast particularly because i um relative to the rural area plan i just want to let everyone and remember what we were trying to accomplish when that was being constructed and that is i had one immediate job and my job was to stop the freight train and the freight train at that time was low density residential development when you're stopping a freight train you can do one thing and one thing only but i don't think that i left the resident stranded or this board because in addition to that the policies of northeast pasco include a specific policy 2.1.4 that required the county to do a vision plan for northeast pasco to handle all these comprehensive issues so it was never an intention that this plan would always be the plan in place and that it wouldn't evolve over time and that policy 2.1.4 specifies all of the details of how you move forward with guys hang on one second you can't talk yeah if you want to talk you can go right outside that door all right john okay no more comments from over there okay it's very disruptive and you have an extra minute so particularly it laid out the planning process that the county needed to um to go into in order to address this for a 50-year period i'll point out too that when this plan was adopted it was adopted with a horizon of now you have you you've reached the end of your horizon so your plan does need to be extended because right now you're not planning for 20 years or 30 years or 50 years your plan is only meeting the needs of today so i guess that if there's something that i could offer you i think that that's that's it it's it's um because i do feel a lot of pride of authorship with the northeast pasco rural plan and with those citizens and i feel like we did a good job for them but it wasn't complete and when i did this assessment i only review what's in the plan today not making policy that's your job but right now the policies as they're

constructed this application is consistent if you want a different result you need different policies hey thank you thank you okay um board members do we have questions of the applicant i have one i have a couple of mine make some notes i don't miss will so can we have a map of the project we have a printout but obviously i can't just hold this up and show everybody yeah well if we don't mind pulling it up actually could we put up the um i don't know if this is a google earth or what do i have here it's kind of like uh almost like a google earth with a with the um project in between it would i thought it would be it would be this right here yeah i'm trying to get to it yeah okay i might be fighting each other here let me see which one you're talking about okay it's right there here we go right there okay zoom in cause i'm i'm okay so i'm just curious so there's a i look at lake is that lake ida like there now it's okay there we go that's better our screen was distorted so now we can see lake hiola road and across the street i see a home directly across the street i don't do that person speak the person that has the homogeneous i don't think anyone's living no i don't think anybody's living in that home okay if you go down and we go up the top of the screen i see another home is that that's a barn it's a barn i see a hole okay what about the home if you look at the project with the small with the retention pond and we look to the west there's a home a little bit northwest again i get asked there is that person here no i mean i'm just asking the audience okay is there anybody that i could see any of the homes here on the screen that abut the project actually in the room because i was going to ask a couple questions nobody here yeah no you can't speak from the audience it's the chair yeah i was just asking if everybody was here so okay you can't you got to stop talking from the audience you're going to go out we try all right okay go ahead barbara so it sounds like we don't have any adjacent okay oh no okay so my next question is okay we talked about the environment we look at the lake and and i see a retention pond there tell us

again what considerations if any have been given to any um negative runoff or that could have a negative effect on the lake let me have joe simoneau come up and good afternoon commissioner joe simoneau wra engineering 4260 west linebaugh avenue 33624 i have been sworn commissioner moore we are draining into moody lake which discharges the middle lake which ultimately makes its way down the hancock lake it's a closed basin system which means we're going to be held to the strict strictest standards for discharge rate um so we'll be held to close basing criteria we'll have to match pre-post 100 year storm conditions so that takes care of the attenuation and the flood control water quality would be in accordance with epa standards which have been delegated to state standards which both the water management district and pasco and pasco county adhere to will be held to water quality treatment standards you'll need a swift mud permit of some type absolutely we'll do this with my permit yes well i just want to make sure that's why i'm asking the applicant here and not to go too deep down the rabbit hole with the technicalities but because it's a closed basin and we're required to hold back so much volume the amount of water quality treatment will be multiple times the norm because we're actually holding back so much water that will only really get to the lake through groundwater percolation versus surface water discharge so with somebody that does spend a lot of time in rv parks i think carolyn dodd we sat we sat before i think richard as well we had meetings in the past even a few years back we talked about the possibility of like an equestrian center or something like that which obviously would be a good fit but the same title reminds you guys you know when we talked about this that day is my daughter's i have two dollars that ride horses and we have a motor home so we travel from equestrian center to question center we also go to numerous state and national parks we've been as far north on the you know as northern mid-northern ohio for example and stayed actually at a county park that had a that actually had an rv park in a lake and a very big lake that was maintained by by the county itself um but when i think about it when we go to these equestrian centers they have numerous rv sites though too i mean a massive massive amount of rc rv sites at a very large majority of the ones we go to there's some smaller ones that may only

have you know like 15 or 20 or 30 spots you know kind of the um smaller facilities that really aren't the upper echelon of the equestrian world but they do have those um and i've been to a number of again state parks you know smoky mountain national park um you know everglades and things like that and there's rv parks within them so i listen i and i get we've had great meetings and i adore you guys and stuff i this one right here though i i i honestly kind of thought it would be almost more welcome for the area and i say that because the last thing i'd want to see is that those high density homes there on the 40 foot and 50 foot lots are god forbid in a giant apartment complex that sits there as well i mean sorry that's my mindset you know um [Music] i i honestly thought and i appreciate everybody's comments and and your testimony you and consent and everything you've considered and the work you put into it i honestly just thought you know this would be more of a welcome thing you know considering some of the past conversations we had especially when it comes to possibly having an equestrian center or something like that because you look at the amount of horse trailers that would be going back and forth on a daily basis because these shows nowadays lots of times they'll start on a tuesday or wednesday and they'll start training like on monday it's almost a seven a week day a week thing so you got multiple hundreds and hundreds of horse trailers possibly going back and forth plus you have your motor homes and travel trailers and things like that again i appreciate everything you guys have said i just you know i mean i i just think this is so much better than the possibility of a very condensed single-family home or possibly multi-family home project but that's a you know that's my opinion so matt while you're still up there and i think this i think this might be kind of along the line of you asking so what i think lisa in her notes i took notes on things everyone said waste water plant and um is that you is that someone else because that's kind of to the water quality that that they have a plant well we have a chair why does it why is someone saying they don't think it's allowed here i don't know but it's very important for these exactly projects to have that facility on site versus having to worry about the county resources too and how does the water quality and the drainage and

the sewer from the water the wastewater how does it flow and how does the septic work since there's no septic how does how do the wells work and the soil quality sure let me give you the 40 000 foot view and if there's still questions the people that actually design the plants can take you way deep down the rabbit hole on how it works um but i think one of the things we learned the last time i was standing in this podium was there was a misconception that there was like a septic drain field that was being installed that is not the case any sewage that comes out of these rvs will be a direct connection into a sewer sewer connection just like a residential home that takes it through a gravity sewer to a water treatment plant on the site unlike a septic drain field that just gets held and distributed into the ground and we hope the ground does its magic it actually gets treated and these guys if you would like will take you into the into the deep technicalities of how much it will be treated but it will be treated to secondary treatment standards and then distributed back underground through infiltration basins throughout the site there's about eight acres of infiltration around the site but at that point it is not sewage it is it is effluent that's coming from a wastewater treatment plant that has been treated to secondary standards that these guys would be more than happy to tell you about them just can i continue on with that um that's very important again somebody that's gone to a number of rv parks throughout the nation um you can tell sometimes the ones that don't have those facilities because it's sometimes it's not a pleasant experience if you're staying there so it is very this is very important um how how are we gonna how do we see this written into the plans where's our where's the guarantee that this this water treatment plant will be done as part of the project our facility i guess you could sell call it so they have obviously state standards they have to apply comply with but we're just a trans middle of comp plan i know if there's things that you want to make sure we yeah a few things the mpd we have two months until it comes back if there's things you want to make sure that we right into the amputee we can do that yeah but i would assume that's something you probably would be willing to do of course right okay because it is important because again there are concerns you know we have combination concerns about the lake and surrounding waters and the soil they also have a potable they'll have a well on the property they'll make into a public well system water system

and they will use water directly off that property i'm sure one more thing if you maybe you or a mr steinsteiner can also explain um this hearing compared to the hearing that's right coming up because i have a lot of questions and i'm just wondering what should be asked today by us what should be asked during the next public career yeah so normally i admonish you all that it's a comp plan hearing and you can't go into details except that this one is a pd comp plan hearing and they're a little different because they have to about it envisions a subsequent plan so anything that you would like to see in a sub-area policy in your comprehensive plan you can ask about okay i have some questions and then but knowing that this is also an mpud so you can also deal with it at that at that level as well but this isn't your traditional oh it's res 16. and it's going to be an apartment complex kind of discussion because it's because it is a pd right now commission mariana it used to be when we had these hearings like this we'd have them both back-to-back we put everything together on it but you can't you can't do the zoning until you do the adoption of your comprehensive plan amendment my guess is ms wilhite will have planned to have her adoption hearing of the of the ordinance adoption of the comp plan category and the mpud back to back then right but this is transmittal so right and i'm glad to bring it out this is the time to ask all the questions we want um i think the people we give guys got a lot of good questions so i think this is the time to ask all the questions up front right now well and i'll see if you do you have any questions but i'll wait good okay so i have a little list um so uh we had a question about the topography are you changing the are you doing changes to the topography uh one of the biggest reasons we went from 675 to 550 uh was because of the topography the site is about the hilliest site you can do civil engineering on in the area so that's why we have a road that's about a mile with nothing on it that's to help transition through that topography so it's not going to be a clear cut of the site turn it into a big flat site it's going to be working with the topography stepping down into these

multiple pods and the hill dropped off so so steeply and we had to preserve that slope that's again why we have about a mile a road we have that 2000 feet or so road with nothing on it just to get down the hill okay so we're not changing the topography because uh i know we've content speaks to that we wrote a suburban policy that speaks about that when we wrote that okay um i don't know how to address the panther but i mean that's great if we had a panther there i actually saw wolves on stark boulevard a couple years ago two wolf two giant wolves um native species do you i would assume you're going to be putting native a lot of native species in there because those are much cheaper to maintain but native species yes um solar you know if you were to think about it epperson has solar street lights and uh i think they're available for other communities so that's just a thought that you might look at those solar street lights and thinking that of the solar of the street lights and the someone mentioned dark sky i mean we have that ordinance in the county you can't have a light shine up because we're preserving the dark sky so we're preparing for that so your your lights are going to be shining down right right we're following them you have land development code standards we're going to follow okay um sasha also mentioned walkable communities and when i met with you um we it doesn't show it on this plan but my understanding is that you have um this was the second time i met with you guy you guys there are it's easy for the members to walk around here between those big roads you had some walkable green space we have two miles of sidewalks paths and a nature walk yeah but i mean to get from one street to another and to move through yes um let's see um the six months so you cannot live for six months here pull out and then come back in and use someone else's name or something and spend another six months that's correct there is some kind of safeguard that because i think some people try and pull that one we don't want that yeah i don't that's not this isn't the part yeah i don't honestly again i'm just using experience experience paper yeah this isn't a this isn't an inexpensive right place i mean that's that's that would be very very costly to do that you would might probably want to find like a again like

a state park or a county park or something like that where the rates are much lower at least i would assume this place is probably gonna i don't know how much you're gonna charge but i would assume it's pretty high i'm just going through the questions that were brought to me and that were mentioned here um okay sound um if if there is a a sound system can that sound be projected towards 75 um so that the decibels are heading to the highway and not over the lake just as you do your layout that's a good idea we will certainly think about that um all the rv resorts i've been to are pretty quiet places so we don't intend to bring people in and then annoy them with noise yeah okay um what may be having concerts or anything that was one of the concerns i wouldn't think well i'm just that i think we can't came up when somebody said there was a band shell i think that's where some of this is coming from okay um let's see what other one um oh that intersection um is that inner lake iola and blanton intersection is that a is that a problem you do have uh your traffic operations uh director venkat on webex if you want to hear from him about the intersection yeah i can give you an answer when this first came about we talked about with margaret smith and her group in engineering and traffic and you fdot and they researched this entire intersection because i like some of our neighbors out there i also felt it would be a problem and it came out that it's not a problem according according to the traffic folks and engineers looks like a perfect intersection for a roundabout rather than that funky way that they have maybe in the future but at this time they they kind of gave a report that it was not that big of an issue and i i felt i think i heard one of the neighbors speak of that and i felt the same way the first time i heard about the project and i called in margaret smith and engineers and traffic and fdot to research that right off the bat to be sure it was not a problem um so and lastly i we i talked with the applicants about um landscaping and that that every lot could have have a tree they've got a pretty comprehensive landscape plan um they don't they're going to show it at the next meeting because i ask for visuals but i think it's important that the canopy that there be a tree canopy on this property and um they have committed to that and the pads i believe they're going to be concrete pavers not poured concrete um

so we could answer on that though brian you want to his answer was their papers yeah how are they installed so those so so concrete papers are pervious not impervious so so that's good and i think that for me that answered all the notes i took from oh and i and i'm i have checked what they're doing and asked them to look at that a ecom study and took it to the cycling community we took it to the b pack and they're comfortable with the six lane addition on the side for the cycling community and boy wouldn't we like to have that other places i um will be the start of that i didn't realize until you spoke today about the bike path that you're going to add to the road i think that's very good because i had an issue with when i got on 41 the other day from travelers rest i got in buying some bikers and that's a real issue and it's a safety issue we need to look at doing those and commissioner starkey and i both feel the same way about that somebody brought up earlier uh they were referring to this like in jeffrey hills all the rv parks in surfer hills this is an rv resort and it's not a residential park like in zephyr hills or travers rest which is probably within a mile of this project has been there they celebrated on saturday over 50 years been a part of the community they have their own store grocery store they have their own sheriff's deputy they have a fire station they have all these things and they've been there for over 50 years and been a great part of the community and a lot more people than what's here questions here because there's 1500 or so in that park so but they they've had a great been a great part and a partner to the county and the citizens here in pasco county in this area so okay commissioner fitzpatrick thank you so i know we have a decibel sound ordinance so it can the decibels can only be so high um one of the questions i received previously was how would the pavers be installed would they just be where they're permeable in between they're obvious they would not be pouring concrete between the papers gotta meet brian he's gotta come up here uh good afternoon commissioners uh brian nolan with lucido and associates 701 east ocean boulevard stuart i've been sworn in but i know it's not necessary they would be vehicular grade pavers so they'd be extra thick on a vehicular grade sub-compacted base we'd have to look at the soil conditions

to see if pervious would work sometimes you get washouts under them i know some of these rvs can be quite heavy they're also utilized stabilizer pads sometimes on the bigger class a's so the the wash out of the underlayment would be my concern with using pervious pavers so i don't think at this time we could capitulate too pervious but i see no issues with with pavers i'm sure yep okay can i follow over that so if you if you check the soils out and the soils aren't strong enough you're afraid of washes etc instead of making it a full concrete pad or asphalt pad is there a space with that you can have to take care of the wheels on each side of it so you can put pavers in the center part concrete or asphalt to the side our intention would be to do pavers but whether or not the pavers would be a pervious system right obviously we want to see impervious the county considers any concrete paper pervious it's understood yeah so okay all right so let me let me just finish with what i'm trying to say so if you find the soils don't work to where you can make it a pervious system and you've got to put a concrete bottom or something is there a way that you can take where the wheels are going to go for the rvs and isolate those areas as a concrete pad or asphalt however it's going to be and then in between that on the in the middle part of it so go put the purpose that's certainly a possibility under the county's definition so south florida water management district which is where i operate they don't classify pavers as as pervious they classify them as impervious so there are certain pavers with a gap between them that allow water to percolate through that are usually backfilled with a with a a fine pedal um those are the pervious pavers that i'm referring to where the water actually passes through right um i think at the very least we could do a paver pad on all of the pads now whether or not it is the the industry standard of what would be classified as a pervious system to allow water to pass between the pavers that would depend on the soil the soils you know at the site which our civil engineer can can talk to uh more specifically but to put a mixed system of grout set you know on on concrete pads under the wheels you could get different stable you know settling issues where some of the pavers could settle whereas other pavers wouldn't because they're on concrete so i would prefer to just be one one system or the other will you be able

to do soil testing before the next round comes back to us all right did they do borings out there yet yes there was geotechnical testing not on every pad is it may ask you a question is it a concern water runoff is that yeah we want to try to have as much purpose as we can so the water sinks down through the soils as opposed to doing runoff right understood um and i think and correct me if i'm wrong there are no concrete pads being built for driveways every pad will be a paver system correct every pad will be a paver system okay right and but for my stormwater calculations i have to assume water can't go through it that's okay no that'll just make it better for drainage exactly exactly so i have to whatever world they're living in i have to have to pretend that water can't go through it at all okay but there is not a concrete pad underneath of the pavers no okay no there would be vehicular grade pavers which are a little bit thicker than your typical backyard patio paper adam chair and then yep can we have more discussion i haven't i've waited okay so i do want to go through a few things that were in here too that i didn't hear about oh okay jack once you finish then we'll go to crystal water will be drinkable let it finish that's if the water will be drinkable uh there'll be well water that is drinkable yes so is the water from a well then yes yes the potable drinking water is from well my last question is that i had some citizens ask concerns what is and i've asked you this and you said the taxes the property taxes are on a per space basis do you have that today or can you provide that sure i can provide that the mobility fees are per space right um the taxes ad valorem taxation i don't have the numbers but um and then we also pay tourist tax i know those are like the estimated about 350 000 a year in a tourist tax to the county but i can get the avalor numbers from the property appraiser thank you for bringing back that's it okay commission mariano so one of the questions was asked on here and uh talked with the residents about it was water banking is there a way that you can bank some of the stormwater that goes in by creating a big stormwater holding facility so we do have to create large storm water management ponds under a normal system i mentioned earlier it was in a closed basin uh moody lake is not a closed basin middle lake is not a closed basin but as you go down a few more lakes the water just sort of stops so that's going to require us to have a

special kind of storm water management facility so it's not going to be the kind that just water flows into it it holds it back and then discharges it all out into moody lake we actually have to hold back water a little bit more because of the closed basin criteria so we're effectively going to be creating what you're saying okay um barbara we had talked about the uh splash pad how much it uses water we talked about looking at uh using a system that would take a lot of the recycled water have you guys done a study on that and how's what's the results on the splash pad yes we talked about we talked to our water use folks this morning and we'll work on a condition that we can bring back at the mpud regarding how to write it that we have to recycle the water for the splash gun and for the board the reason i'm asking the question is the more water that uses there it's hard to it's very important to recycle so you minimize the amount of water and discharge you're gonna have out there later on um all right so let me just get to commissioner oakley master question when you're driving along lake iowa road and you're stuck behind the bikers how wide was that because you said it was tough to pass so even if it's four feet how wide were the bikers out there well you take one bike and you take a grown man on that bike and whatever his shoulder width and his handlebars i mean it looked like it was two and a half three feet but you're taking it out of uh i don't know what that road is out there if it's uh 12 foot or it's probably they were in a line ten foot lane but they're in line on one side they take up that three feet out of that lane you can't just drive right by them so there's no way so they're all single file they're not old they were single file they were not i've seen them three deep across and four deep but they were not they were abiding by the single file but you as a car in your in your lane you could not drive straight past them okay so in the southern part of this development that's where the upgrade they say is it's good it's tough to make it wider um my thought was in talking with them we should actually look instead of just doing the six feet maybe we should look at going even lot wider like eight feet uh if you've considered that or do you think it's reasonable to go that way to make it a little bit safer give yourself a little bit more room well and uh mpo i think has some area that we can go into and it deals with safety that we probably could get some of those grant funds that we could use for no i'm looking for them to pay for it not a grant fund i'm looking for them to pay for enough for a grand fund

or if you should get wider than somebody so if they're going to come in and i'll give them some slack in the first part where it's the steeper grade right because they'll probably people go single file but once you get up closer and closer i think it's safer if you go wider than not and i don't think a couple of feet's unreasonable um are you comfortable with asking for that yeah and they're taking care of the part partners coming down like our road from front of that property down down to bayhead because that's the normal travel of the bikers yeah they'll come from lake iowa across the interstate go down to bay head and take left on bay head and go down bed all right so i'm going to ask barbara we talked about this going wider knowing that the first part's a little bit more difficult because of the steep slope that's there uh for the rest of it let's say coming up to closer to the entryway are you guys comfortable going to an eight foot wide path for the remainder going to the north yeah we can certainly look at that before we come back i mean just explain where we got we we did make up these shoulders they're your study i understand your study recommended four um we did six because they recommend six if your bikers are going uphill because they sway back and forth to try to get up the hill um so that's where we came from just so you know we didn't just say six we actually looked at the study that commissioner starkey suggested we look at so but look we can look at that we can have our team look at the difference between six and eight and i wanna i wanna say you know way back when we did the air report with francis chandler moreno one of the things we looked at was all the different employment centers around this whole county we took every interchange up and down including 41.75 even knowing the topographical differences of this one into interchange around the whole county was designed for something commercial to be in that area exactly was going to happen didn't know but that was why we targeted this one area for that one thing and this is like a variety of budding it and by the way barbara the next time i wish you'd have the picture like we talked about we can see the interchange in relation to the project because around that is where the dens some density should come it shouldn't sprawl out but around this histogram we had to expect something to come in there and i also said that interchange uh staff's been looking at that interchange and there's already some employment generated businesses coming there uh not started yet but it's been approved to be there yeah and it's been on the on the books for 30 years been approved to have

employment centers so yeah and when we were doing this one of the things i suggested it didn't get adopted was to the when you look at pinellas and hillsborough how they developed in northern part of the county right butting to us and look what it did for us it jammed us up all the way up and down and now those people are coming up and around it's a mess down there when it could have been much better set i've always said than the northern half mile of pasco county should be more intense all the way around that border because you know hernando county is going to grow stronger at the bottom to the south yeah so i don't want to go past that point as far as density goes i'd like to keep it to the role that we got um right and that's one of the things so let me just add one one ask the thing about the project barbara do you have sponsor for horses and trolls trailers to come in with the rvs you know i've been asked that question recently um i don't know the answer but we will get an answer okay so the next presentation i'd like you to bring something back we can actually make this more horse friendly as well how do they make it horse friendly if you got a so you can take a horse trailer and you'll be able to park yourselves well they travel their travel horses there's horses out there they travel a lot so yeah or even in northeast rural the northeast rural group have spoke to me several times about wanting a equestrian event center somewhere out in the northeast rural area but then when you talk about paddock or something what how do you well what mr warren we were talking about is when you have that arena and you have all the horse trailers with the living quarters and all and the buses that come along with that then there's almost like a rv park along with that event and that event could last four or five days or a week yeah i have friends that do that but there's there's got to be give and take and there's a right vision for it i don't have it yet but i think there's something that that's out there that's going to be unique very beautiful for the northeast area well madam chair when you're considering the bike path having possibly like an equestrian trail going alongside of it so just incorporating the equestrian and the bike routes together okay now we're getting yeah yeah so okay i move approval second you move you move transmittal to the department of economics that's true yeah say at that point okay we have a second any more

discussion is this a roll call vote or a regular vote it's a regular okay all in favor aye okay um we are back to um dan biles do you have anything more you want to share okay to the clerk no no no to the county attorney you know yeah to the county attorney i had something darn it if i didn't write it down i can remember give them one minute let me figure out here i got something i want to discuss commissioner oakley he's going to another meeting i don't know what it was okay okay we're still hey guys you're gonna have to take your conversation out sorry we're still uh in the middle of our meeting please go on outside the doors thank you very much oh yeah i remember what it is okay all right county attorney madam chairman members of the board um at your january 11th meeting uh the board directed that a moratorium for development around airports be adopted so that incompatible development does not occur during the time that airport zoning regulations will be drafted and adopted to protect the airports within the county from incompatible land uses since that time your the moratorium ordinance was drafted it was advertised it was it was heard by the planning commission on february 3rd um though at that meeting the staff requested that the public hearing be continued so that a few tweaks could be made at this point the maps have been drawn for the airports the moratorium areas are there are four different classifications height obstruction area maps part 77 surface areas noise abatement areas and the runway protection zones it would and since those maps are now available to the public it would be my recommendation to the board that when the ordinance is brought to you that the moratorium applies to any development that has not been filed as of today's date when those maps are available and if that's the wishes of the board that's the way the ordinance will be drafted to be brought back to you but under the pending underpending ordinance doctrine since the maps are now produced and people

have knowledge of where those areas are going to be doesn't mean you can't couldn't pull back from that at your final hearing but if any applications are filed between now and when that and when the ordinance is adopted and you choose to use the pending ordinance doctrine they would be on hold they would not be able to go forward they would be on hold until your moratorium ends otherwise i'm i'm afraid that you're going to start to have applications which it was the whole reason that the the morator that the board asked for the moratorium we made that mistake when we did billboards we let it while the whole time in the morning we could accept applications right we got hundreds think about it in pre-app even pre-ops on that one maybe yeah i would i would like a motion that that's the way that that's the way you want the ordinance to come back to you okay all right so i moved second okay so we have first and a second to accept the attorney's recommendation where's ron he had another meeting okay uh all right so any more discussion all right and we can always fix it if there's some something you can you can you can pull back from that position at the hearing but at this point protects us a little bit yeah all in favor i oppose all right four zero thank you very much that's all i have okay am i next clerk well we can go back to you thank you madam chairman um uh clerk alvarez soles uh wanted me to bring just a couple of items to you uh an update uh uh over the last two weekends we conducted the big shred and an annual event for the clerk's office wanted to extend our thanks to the county's utilities recycling crews for their participation and it was great and schrade 360 the vendor that participated it was very cold week two weeks ago on saturday morning we still had a pretty good turnout in newport richie and uh ended up with about five and a half tons of uh shred there and in dade city this last weekend it was about the same as last year with about three tons so over the last five events or two years we have done about 45 tons of shredding recycling that has been able to assist the county so again thank you to county staff and shred 360 for your participation next monday morning the annual valentine's day wedding ceremony will be here at the courthouse

jumping on that mr administrator yes ma'am okay um some of you may be getting um calls about the car dealership moratorium um just want you to know we are working together to put we are putting together a stakeholder group to work on issues concerning the new moratorium that well that's it there's a moratorium in effect but we're working on a new ordinance and we will have a stakeholder group so if you get phone calls just direct them over to i guess to my assistant katie who's putting this meeting together since there is not a county person assigned yet to write that ordinance we're not going to have that meeting until we know who's going to be working on the ordinance but um but there were some there were some concerns um out there in the industry that we might be hurting some of the new dealerships coming up but i think we've pretty much rested um their fears that none of them will be stopped in any way and um just direct any questions maybe to denise and um if someone calls you but we've reached out to and and the um scott finks group rich beckish larry morgan um the ferment and some some um who jay rosario i don't know what that is he used to own he used to own wesley chapel nissan so oh he has a site he already purchased as well okay so we we just want to make sure they know that this is not going to affect their um this won't the intent is not to stop them from building their new developments that's not and they should not be affected but we want to know if there's any issues but we want them centralized so send them i guess send them to denise for for now madam chair yeah so just to be clear the ordnance moratorium part is just for used car dealerships no we are not allowed to distinguish um between but if you want to hear some good discussion about it go to the planning commission meeting i've listened to it twice just to be sure what i was listening and there's a great discussion on it there in the planning commission and it's towards the end it was the last item and it's a very short planning commission so you can hear um the discussion there it's my subject does someone want to answer that next meeting i they just went to planning commission last minute i think the i think they're on the 22nd 22nd um but then there'll be another one so so there'll be lots of time to adjust any issues but there will be a stakeholder meeting yeah because i'm all for changing the used car dealership witness but i i don't want to affect anybody who might be coming in or property and

to affect that in any way because if they pick to go just to the north or just to the south of us right that's not our intent but for legal reasons they they couldn't distinguish but if you want to i just wanted to clarify the hearing dates so the 22nd is first reading and then the eighth is adoption so 22nd of february the first reading it'll come to the board and the eighth of march is the adoption hearing before the board we did again uh commissioner starkey made a good point uh please listen to the lpa we did create some outs um and uh that should handle it and we did have a phone call with at least one new car dealer owner with who's mrt three coming and he's comfortable yeah yeah yeah okay good but they still want to give their input as we write the words and we always do that we always have stakeholder meetings okay yeah i just i know madam chair yeah so i don't want to get in the weeds too much but like for example that one gentleman i talked to talked to you about a second ago he had purchased property some time ago which kind of abuts um the lexus dealer in westley chapel as it's actually in the back of seven oaks along 75. as well as the toyota dealership but his concept is a little different than a new car dealer it's this certified i think it's a reconditioning facility you use car dealership um motor trend which they have one in orlando already yeah so but i don't know we we can wait for the public carry but okay you know you did you already talked you already talked to him i thought the one you were talking about was a reconditioning facility because we are getting one in offa eagleston the way they explained it to me and this was just literally friday uh they don't sell vehicles from that facility what they do is and they're not open to the public what they do is they take in cars and they recondition them and then ship them out somewhere else it must be a whole different project okay because this is right off the eagleston and right next to right on eagleston next to uh i think it's lexus yeah maybe they got some other plants too i'm not aware of so so um since it sounds like the car online and then it gets shipped there and then so in the planning commission there were some edits to um can you send that to all the commissions absolutely and then again if you have questions it's very well explained at the planning commission okay um and and of course please i do not want to take credit for this as elizabeth blair with the county attorney's office i've just been assisting in this regard and we are getting a group together on february 24th and we'll know who the project manager for the group will be it's not a

real long lengthy uh complicated ordinance the fix is pretty simple so i think everyone's gonna be okay um february 22nd oh so uh gulf harbors msbu will be on our next meeting it's been advertised i'm sorry barbara wilhite is not here she's been working like crazy and they have she's got another stakeholder meeting with some of the residents to make sure all the concerns are laid we're just down to the advisory committee language but commissioner fitzpatrick you haven't been here through all the fun so um i think you're number one on the list for people to come speak to you to inform you but i think you'll all be getting a meeting set up before that and lastly and jack this is kind of sad news um i spoke to david green yesterday and he informed me that d.o.t has been working with csx for um possible acquisition of the rail corridor and csx said they are no longer interested in selling it really that they anticipate that they will be using it more and more for their own uses and that's off the table what area is that so that means that our brt that's it that's that's our that's it so that becomes more urgent so okay i think with that we're journey thank still you the clear water and thank you