12.07.2021 Pasco Board of County Commissioners Meeting (Afternoon Session)

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um [Music] good afternoon and i've totally lost my script uh welcome back to the board of county commissioners and our public hearings so we are going to sorry i didn't have my my papers ready um all right as a reminder to everybody please silence all electronic devices and mute your microphones and we are now going to proceed with the public hearing agenda starting with ordinances so we have p 103 staff will read the ordinance title into the record and make their presentations madam charles provide the publication item p103 was published in tampa times on november 24 2021. all right who's up good afternoon commissioners johanna rodriguez interior governmental affairs this is an ordinance amending chapter 2 article 5 division 3 section 222 and 223 of the pasco county code of ordinances relating to the commission on the status of women providing for additional tax amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for repealer severability and an effective date commissioners the commission on the status of women has determined that the established nomination and appointment process at times restricts opportunity for participation on the commission by those qualified and willing to serve the csw proposes membership be restructured with the following organizational categories and number of nominees for appointment by the board minority affinity groups two nominees non-profits three nominees health and wellness one nominee legal one nominee law enforcement one nominee higher education one nominee early childhood through secondary education one nominee the csw believes this modification will expand opportunities for participation on the commission membership would stay at 15 individuals consisting of 10 appointed by the aforementioned organizational categories each member of the bcc would continue to appoint one representative and seven members would constitute a quorum staff recommendation is to approve this is the public hearing on the ordinance um thank you board members any questions no motion to approve it's a public hearing so i would entertain any comment from the does anyone wishing to speak to this okay madam chair there's no one signed up and no one on webex no move approval second all in favor aye passes thank you very much oh district one commissioner here district two commissioner all right district four commissioner fitzpatrick

aye district five commissioner mariano aye district three chairman oakley i'm sorry chairman darkness starkey aye [Laughter] all right we're on to p104 item p104 was published in the tampa bay times on october 6 2021. good afternoon madam chair commissioners denise hernandez item p104s pdb22008 this is the adoption hearing on this item this was presented to the board of county commissioners on november 9 2021. it's an ordinance by the board of county commissioners amending the pasco county land development code chapter 200 decision-making bodies and officials section 204 planning commission amending the appointment of members and other sections as necessary for internal consistency providing for applicability repealer for providing for severability inclusion into land development code and effective date so today we're asking that you accept public comment and adopt the ordinance by roll call vote as you may recall this is as a request of the board of county commissioners on july 6th of 2021 where you requested the appointment method of the pc members be modified so that each individual commissioner appoints one planning commission member for a total of five appointments um and then one at-large member since there is a total of six members um from the board and the seventh member is the school board appointee okay um board members any comments would anyone in the public like to comment on this ordinance saying no one i'll entertain him second all in favor aye propose please okay are all these roll call yes okay and like you just want to put into the record there's no one signed up and no one on webex for this item yeah you're gonna have to keep reminding me about the web all right district one commissioner oakley aye district two commissioner moore district three commissioner fitzpatrick aye district district five commissioner mariano aye district three chairman stark aye okay p105 item p105 was published in tampa times on october 6 2021. p105 is pd220011 this is the set of package amendments so it's the development code amendment 52. this is the adoption hearing for this item this was presented to the board of county commissioners on november 9 2021. it's an ordinance by the board of county commissioners amending the pasco county land development code chapter 500 zoning section 511 rmh mobile park district section 515 r2 low density residential district section 516 r3 medium density residential district section 527 commercial light manufacturing district section 528 i1 light industrial park district section 529 i2 general industrial park district section 530 supplemental regulations renaming subsection 530.14 reserved to outdoor illumination limits chapter 900

development standards section 901 transportation subsection 901.4 substandard roadway analysis mitigation appendix a definition and other sections as necessary for internal consistency providing for applicability repealer for providing for severability inclusion into the land development code and an effective date the proposed ordinances were presented to the horizontal round table and interested parties meeting on august 18 2021 and on october 20th 2021 so today we're asking that you accept public comment and adopt by roll call vote this was actually also found to be consistent with the comprehensive plan by the local planning agency and recommended approval to the board of county commissioners um thank you i do have one question and i think we this was brought up from uh by a constituent in my district that um lived on a lake and had lights shining um into their residence and a number of the residents had that problem i actually have it living on the water when neighbors of mine have lights on their boat docks and i can't open my windows many times at night so i'm glad to see that we're having this come through um i am wondering sally so when this goes through code will start enforcing uh giving notices are you ready to give notices for people to that they can't have those kind of lights individuals that okay all right does anyone in the um public wish to address this saying no one lives there's no one that signed up um on this and as also there's no one on webex approval second uh all in favor by roll call vote district one commissioner oakley aye district two commissioner moore district four commissioner fitzpatrick aye district five commissioner mariano district three chairman starkey aye 106. item 106 was published the tampa times on october 20th 2020 2021 this is pd220019 this is the adoption hearing for this item so we're asking today that you adopt by roll call vote it was rep presented to the local planning agency on november 4 2021 who found it consistent with a comprehensive plan and recommended approval to the board of county commissioners it's an ordinance amending the pasco county comprehensive plan providing for a small scale comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use map map 2-15 and sheet 24 from res 3 residential 3 dollar units per gross acre to rest six residential 620 units per gross acre on approximately two nine point eight eight acres of real property located south of county road 54 and west west of gateway drive providing for a repealer severability and an effective date board members any questions um there should be an application is there an applicant um

okay do you want me to see if there's anyone here who wants to address this is there anyone here wants to dress 106. back there all right i think we have someone coming up so we'll let the applicant go the applicant will go first and then you'll have an opportunity madam chairman bocc member clark hobby hobby and hobby pa i'll be brief uh the subject application is a change from res 3 to rest 6. my client owns the property immediately to the east it's part of forest lake estates it's a thousand unit uh manufactured housing project that has res six there's res six across county road 54 from us and there's i a large swath of il that's immediately to our west so we don't feel that the change from res 3 to rest 6 is a big issue from a land use planning perspective but i did want to tell the board members a little bit of the back story here and i'll be brief gateway drive runs from county road 54 down through the eastern part of the project and it's cross-hatched there and our plan is to swap right away and build the neighbors a new road on our western side so we'll be able to ultimately join our projects and we've agreed in a private agreement to in addition to that at our own cost to give our neighbors enough money to resurface the entirety of barks drop marks avenue and frontier drive to the south which approximately is a mile or so in addition so my clients made a big commitment to help with the betterment of this area and i'm with that i'll just restart the balance of my time and answer any questions that you may have or the neighbors may have okay i am going to ask you a question yes ma'am and you can guess what it's about because i've driven into these neighborhoods and do they have any landscaping requirements palm trees i mean that when the first part was built there weren't a lot of landscaping requirements for manufactured housing and part of the discussion we had with our neighbors is when you come down gateway drive adjacent to the existing phase of forest lake estates there weren't really any requirements in and that's part of why we're moving the road over to the west side we will join the projects but on the west side we will have new landscaping that goes along the entirety of the new road and the new project will have to comply with the new ldc landscape buffer requirements previously this one's old enough commissioner starkey there was no landscaping requirement in the code at the time so it's very old but what about the new development do we have landscaping requirements with yes on the lots yes we will yeah we will okay because i've just been in a lot a lot of them lately and a lot of them seem to have nothing these are that that my client builds

really nicer quality manufactured housing projects that were built many years ago this is not like a legacy mobile home park in zephyr hills that's not what they built at all did anyone else have any questions i'd just like to say that the real bonus was when they decided to build a new road for the residents behind them it keeps from splitting that park up and it joins it together so it makes it a lot better for the residents that are on larger tracks right in behind this project okay thank you very much i think we have someone who wanted to speak hi my name is cindy buckle i live at 5938 frontier drive zephyr hills florida three three five four zero when we bought our home there i did research and found that the 11 000 acres was very appealing that i can ride my horse too without having to go out onto 54 which is now very heavily traveled as in every two lane road in this county because the roads have not been looked at as the subdivisions just keep growing and growing and growing right now it takes us a very long time even before you add the new homes to get out of gateway onto 54 because you have construction trucks non-stop heading in both directions towards polk towards zephyr hills um the other thing that was interesting is we we attended a planning meeting over in dade city and on the way home from that planning meeting [Music] we noticed that when we went to turn at the corner of county road 54 and chansey that chancey was closed and shanty was closed because there was a double fatal accident okay a construction crop crossed the center line a construction truck hit a rav4 and there were two fatalities and that's coming home from the planning commission after we've already discussed the lack of attention to roads and the constant building of subdivisions um i've also spoken with a lot of people in the existing mobile home park who are very unhappy about any of this they have been told that the fences and gates will come down it will be open they also stated that since this person bought up all this property that their property vote their rents have gone up um and catherine starkey i even have a statement from you where you had a near incident due to a short merge lane so you yourself has have made a statement at the lack of the attention

to the roads in pasco county we have two lane roads that subdivisions are being built on state road 56 is the only what is it six to four to feeds into a three 301 which is two all the other intersections that run off of state road 56 two lanes morris bridge road is backed up to the hillsborough county line the traffic signals do not help and our fatalities when we were here last when i recorded them or at 81 they are now at 107 and that doesn't count to today so it doesn't need to be done we don't need a new road on frontier drive we're not interested in palm trees thank you um is there anyone else that wants to speak to this uh madam chair uh miss buckle was the only one who signed up for this item okay and we have no one else on webex for this item okay commissioners i'll be this clark hobby again for the record i'll be very brief uh we did conduct uh transportation needs assessment in conjunction with the application which is part of the record and it shows that even with the approval of the change from rest readers six that the level of service for this section of county road 54 as a b as in boys so clearly it's fair it's not a failing segment it won't fail with this project um i'd ask for your support it's a great project thank you um do is state road 54 slated to be widened over way out east of zephyr hills oh because uh on here don't know that this segment's going to be widened anytime soon because when you get east of this project pretty soon you run into the green swamp yeah so there's not a lot of development that can occur to the east coast graphics is state yeah that's why it says state road well i'm going to have to shoot my engine that's why i was wondering it's county route 54. but when i pull it up on my map on my bed i see it's counting i see that's the green swamp there yeah part of part of 54 is being uh widened closer into jeffrey that's what i thought before it gets to that before it gets when the widened section will occur west of chansey all right any more comments move approval second uh roll call vote district one commissioner oakley aye district two commissioner moore district four commissioner fitzpatrick aye district five commissioner mariano district three chairman starkey aye uh p 108. 107. i'm sorry 107. p107 was published in tampa times on november 24th 2021 pdd220057 this is an ordinance amending the pasco county ordinance number 1607 as amended contracting the boundaries of murata community development district pursuant to chapter 190 florida statutes providing for miscellaneous provisions

providing for an effective date today we're asking that you adopt this by roll call vote anyone wish to speak on this item is there anyone no one on webex no one signed up and no one is on webex for this item are there any is there anyone on webex for any of the cdd ordinances but i'll entertain a motion on this approval second all in favor aye aye ah roll call call cdd districts or roll call yes they're ordinances right district one commissioner oakley aye district two commissioner moore district four commissioner fitzpatrick aye district five commissioner mariano aye district three chairman starkey aye looks like through madam chair looks like through p112 will be roll call it looks like yeah a lot of cdds established 108. item p108 was published in the template times on november 10th 2021 november 17 2021 november 24th 2021 and december 1st 2021. pdd220108 an ordinance establishing the cobblestone community development district pursuant to chapter 190 florida statutes providing for authority and power of the district providing for powers and duties of the district providing for the board of supervisors of the district providing for the district budget providing for functions of the district providing for missiles miscellaneous provisions providing for an effective date this is also adopt by roll call vote item any questions anyone want to speak to this no one online roll calls on webs webex and no one has signed up district 1 commissioner oakley aye district two commissioner district four commissioner fitzpatrick aye district five commissioner mariano district three chairman starkey aye 109. item p109 was published in the tampa times on november 10 2021 november 17 2021 november 24th 2021 and december 1st 2021. pdd220109 established establishing the two rivers north canadian development district pursuant to chapter 190 florida statutes providing for authority and power of the district providing for powers and duties of the district providing for the board of supervisors of the district providing for the district budget providing for functions of the district providing for miscellaneous provisions providing for an effective date we're asking that you adopt it by roll call vote anyone wish to speak to this item either here or online no one no one is online and no one signed up for that move for pool second roll call district one commissioner oakley district two commissioner moore district four commissioner fitzpatrick aye district five commissioner mariano district three chairman starkey aye 110. item p110 was published in the tampa times on november 10 2021 november

17 2021 november 24 2021 and december 1st one pdt pdd 22-0110 an ordinance establishing the two rivers west community development district chapter 190 florida statutes providing for authority and powers of the district providing for powers and duties of the district providing for the board of supervisors of the district providing for the district budget providing for functions of the district providing for miscellaneous locations providing for an effective date we're asking that you adopt by roll call vote anyone wants to speak to this item either here or online no one is signed up online and no one is signed up in person second local district one commissioner oakley aye district two commissioner moore district four commissioner fitzpatrick aye district five commissioner mariano aye district three chairman starkey aye let's see 111. item p111 was published in tempe times on october 20th 21 2021. i will read p111 into record but this item is a request to continue it's supposed to be the adoption meeting for this item the request is going to be to continue to january 11th 2022. for the county commission is at 130 in dave city it's pd 22-0116 an ordinance amending the pasco county comprehensive plan providing for tax amendment amendments chapter 2 future land use element and chapter 7 transportation element related to airport zoning and land use compatibility and additional text amendments for consistency for fighting for repealer severability and an effective date this issue the issue here is the department of economic opportunity has not provided comments because they have not sent the re they have not sent it out to other reviewing agencies so um they're telling us that they're going to be sending it out this week so the request is to continue the item to january 11 2022 at 1 30 uh in date city does it matter which side it's on this one this affects the whole county yeah it's counting one overall um so we do i need to take any public comment you do it was this was not advertised as a continuous would anyone like to speak to the um airport zoning and land use compatibility ordinance imagination no one has signed up and no one's on webex for this item okay we'll just continue time certainly second is that a roll call no okay all in favor all right p12 p uh 112. item p112 was published in the tampa times on november 21st 2021 p112 this is also we're asking for you to adopt by roll call vote there was a full presentation done on june 22 2021 at time of transmittal uh we have not

received any comments or concerns from fdeo we did receive um a letter from fdeo stating they had no comments or concerns pdd22-0026 the norton is amending the pasco county comprehensive plan providing for a large-scale comprehensive plan amendment to the future land-use maps maps 2-15 and sheet 10 changing from res 1 residential one dwelling unit per gross acre to pd plan development on approximately 20.35 acres of real property located at the intersection of ridge road and tanglewood drive again we're asking that you adopt this spiral call vote uh board members um any questions on this one we do have people who have signed up yeah madame all right so this is an applicant driven yes here comes the applicant quit just quick question for madam chair yeah i can't pull them together yep you cannot pull them together yeah i was just saying why aren't we putting these together i asked i asked him and he said i can't because one's a legislative item and one's quasi-judicial i tried that you really need to hear them in separate matters well that's the applicant's request would be to hold the public hearing together if not we're going to repeat everything twice or i guess we can just do the comp plan and then do the mqd barber will height 6327 grand boulevard in newport richie florida you can move the zoning up after this that's fine but they need to be two separate motions two separate public hearings that's fine do you want to move this before other pet folks are on consent or do you want to move this back to i say move it back move it back so we can let the other folks that are doing consent go by we'll finish the consent that's up to the board and the other items okay we'll be back for to hear that with p2726 but separate we're hammering along here quickly so if you want if you signed up to speak to this you'll still have an opportunity we're just going to do it a little bit so now we move to public hearings we have public we have nine public hearing items on the consent agenda and starting with p 113 these items will be approved with one vote without a presentation and let there unless there is someone here in objection and those that are in person who have pre-registered to speak to any of the items on the public hearing agenda prior to speaking you'll be sworn in by the clerk madam clerk from the list provided properly swear in each person does that happen yes it does thank you chairman would you like the procedures read first yes after that you can go okay there are two rezoning agendas regular and consent staff will present each application to the board of county commissioners if staff for planning

commission has recommended approval and there is no opposition to the application the application will be heard by the board without further presentation if staff or planning commission has recommended denial or if there is opposition to the application the applicant will even be given five minutes for presentation the opposition will be given three minutes for each individual or five minutes for a group representative and the applicant will be given three minutes for rebuttal any individual disagreeing with staff for planning commission recommendation or anyone wishing to object to any condition of the rezoning may at this time request the petition be pulled from the consent agenda in which case that application will be heard under the regular agenda later on during the meeting otherwise all rezoning applications on the consent agenda will be approved by a single motion and vote if you wish to speak to any petition please give your name and address and whether or not you've been sworn for the record these are quasi-judicial public hearings the law in florida is that mere public support or opposition of an application is insufficient for this board to take action please limit your comments to those criteria found within the board's land development code i will note that the prior chairman has approved additional time for some of the applicants on the this afternoon's agenda okay since we had a change in chairman can we take that away from him exceeded your authority well you'll have to let me know which ones those are um so now madam clerk okay um will you swear if you are here to speak on the remaining items please stand up and raise your right hands [Music] do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth so help you god thank you item p113 yep p113 do you have proof yes um the item p113 was published in the tampa bay times on june 30th 2021 september 22 2021 and this end november 24th 2021. denise hernandez planning on developments pdd227546 is a zoning amendment y smith properties llcs for a change in zoning from c2 commercial general commercial district to i1 light industrial park district comes through with a recommendation of approval from the planning commission and the planning and development department um someone wish to speak to this item no one has signed up for this item and no one on webex we'll leave it on consent p114 item p114 was published in the tampa bay times on july 21 2021 and october 13

2021. pdd2275 this is a zoning amendment acorn54 llc acorn mpud master plan unit development district winfields to c2 general commercial district this comes this also uh the applicant has voluntarily agreed to report a deed restriction on the property for the property to not be used for self-storage facility for five years um after the agenda was published we did receive ex parte communications which have been sent to the clerk's office from commissioners fitzpatrick moore oakley and starkey this comes to you with a recommendation of approval from the planning and development department and the planning commission does anyone wish to speak to this item no one is signed up and no one on webex for this item right keep it on consent pe115 item p115 was published in the template times on october 13th 2021. it's pdd227567 it's a zoning amendment gnh 54 llc it's rezoning from ar agricultural residential district to a c2 general commercial district um after the agenda was published there was some ex partes that came in which have been sent to the clerk's office from commissioners mariano moore oakley and starkey comes to you with a recommendation of approval from the planning and development department and and the planning commission sorry is there anyone in opposition to this that would like to speak no one is signed up and no one is on webex for this item keep it on consent one one six item p 116 was published in the tempe times on october 13 2021. pdd227570 this is clark property mpud master plan unit development robert j clark jr trust and others a rezoning request from ac agricultural r1 rural density residential er2 estate residential and r1mh rural density mobile home district uh to an mpud master plan unit development district to to allow the development of 410 residential detached and attached dwelling units on 322.21 acres um the the item comes to you with a recommendation of approval with conditions there is a modification to condition 28 which removes the term southern it's your condition of approval 28 which is a page 7 of 14 of your conditions of approval should be on the it has been provided the correction has been provided to the clerk's office comes you with a recommendation of approval with conditions from the planning and development department and the planning commission madam chair yes commissioner uh question denise on that just just reading that through does this in any way affect the dedication to the vision road that's in the southern part of the property i do have my folks from transportation here who should be able to answer that question as to whether it affects the vision road on this particular condition has nothing

to do with the vision road because it's actually the north end of the of the actual development which is roach's run so i think what you're speaking of is the southern correct portion of the development i just want to make sure there's no conflict there with the word southern the southern has nothing to do with with the southern part it has to do with the the northern end all right i'm fine all right so anyone else who wants to speak in opposition to this no one has signed up to speak on this item and i've got a hand raised over there okay and just let you know no one it's on webex okay so uh no just hang on one second well are you in are you rising in opposition to speak to this because then i'm going to pull it off the consent agenda okay so we'll pull p117 off the consent i'm sorry 116. okay um okay then we'll move on to 117. okay item p117 was published in the tampa bay times on november 3rd 2021. this is pdd22756 this is a zoning amendment angela land llc culver's county line road it's for a change in zoning from ar agricultural residential and po1 professional office district to ar agricultural residential district and c2 general commercial districts there there are uh several voluntarily agreed upon deed restrictions that are provided in your finding of fact number two which go through from a through g um some of them just to provide um quick um information on those um it's restricting the uses to 4 400 square feet of fast casual restaurant 5 000 square feet of retail uh no access to lehman's drive or floral tone drive they're um asking to actually buffer the property that in a greater way than what the land development code requires and to limit the uses to uh professional office business services the retail part of the uses again those are in your finding of fact number two items a through g uh comes to you with a recommendation of approval from the planning and development department and the planning commission i'm sure i want to pull it just because i do have a couple questions on the access part all right we'll pull 117 along with 116 118. item p118 was published in the tampa times on november third twenty twenty one p d twenty two c u zero three it's a conditional use request pascal county mosquito control district it's a conditional use for a helicopter pad in an ac agricultural district ar agricultural residential district and c2 general commercial district comes to you with a recommendation of approval with conditions from the planning and development department and the planning commission is there anyone who would like to speak in opposition to the mosquito control

no one signed up in person and there's no one on webex for this item all right see no one will leave it on consent and we have p119 item p119 was published on tampa times on october 20th 2021. on this item this is the transmittal uh so we're just asking you to accept public comments so there's no action required today just authorize actually authorized transmittal to the department of economic opportunity and other reviewing agencies pdd220058 comprehensive plan amendment see pal 2104 chapter 7 transportation element providing for text amendments to chapter 7 transportation element table 7-2 a quarter preservation repealing table 7-2 b providing for map amends amendments to vision highway the highway vision plan and functional class map 7-36 and the transportation quarter preservation map map 7-37 and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency i do want to mention that exhibits b and c have been modified um the table and map plath road extension from decubitus to cubalist to little road was incorrectly listed as 80 feet of right-of-way it's been modified to 60 feet of right-of-way those modifications have been provided to the clerk's office are they going to put that up here because they're only showing one picture this pla this is the pages um it should be page 19 of your attachment for exhibit b that one uh where it calls out plath road extension from decubilus to little should be 60 feet not 80 feet okay is there anyone who wants to speak um we do have someone signed up okay we'll pull 118. we're going to be here a long time oh sorry 119. okay uh one we'll pull 119. all right one two zero item p 120 was published in the tampa times on november november 3rd 2021. pw220032 arcola avenue paving assessment number three four zero four it's in the amount of 229 639 dollars the request is to approve the paving assessment do we have anyone signed up for this we do for item p120 we have someone signed up for 120. madam character all these things on consent i mean could you just ask if that person that's here is in support no no okay never mind all right but i will do that on further ones uh p121 item p121 was published in the tampa times on november 3rd 2021. pw220034 calvary road paving assessment number 3388 in the amount of two hundred 201 two dollars request that this item be approved there is someone signed up on this one okay we'll pull 121. all right uh 1 22. i think you're right all right so uh let's approve the consent agenda behind us a second okay let me just make sure that i have this right i have 116 117 119 120 and one twenty one

they're all polls yes i think the remainder of the incentive the remainder is on the consent i have a motion and a second yep all in favor aye aye aye aye what are we you'll have your opportunity one second you want to speak on what item 121. what item which one what item i think she's 121. yeah we pulled it it's been pulled yeah so it'll you'll get a comeback don't call that's not what the motion is on yeah okay so we are now going to go to 116. okay so that was the gentleman that i i don't have him uh signed up i think he raised his hand over here the one with the one military hat uh the gentleman that stood okay are we going to get a presentation first you all want the presentation or we're going to have to have it yeah i guess so yeah all right all right we have the clark property and beauty pdd227570 i don't know you can sit down okay here is a location map we have causeway boulevard at the north and bexley wisteria loop at the south proposals are rezoning from ac agricultural r1 rural density er2 state residential and r1mh rural density mobile home districts to an mpud to allow for maximum i'm sorry that's a typo it's 410 residential dwelling units detached and attached on approximately 322.21 acres no multi-family apartments are proposed in this project and here's the master plan they have wetlands surrounding the whole thing the development will have access to causeway boulevard to the north and will not have vehicular access to bexley road with syria loop other than just an emergency only access the upper portions of the project in the southeast and southwest they'll be preserved for open space storm water mitigation as depicted on the master plan it will not be developed because they will not have access to the northern roads there shall be a pedestrian sidewalk to orlando lakes high school on the northeast and to the conceptual planned bexley wisteria trail on the south as indicated on the master plan as well there will be a mix of single family detached lot sizes with 40 being the minimum and at least 40 percent of the single family detach slots will be 50 feet wide and larger and this proposed request is consistent with the pasco county ldc and the applicable provisions of the pasco county comprehensive plan with that the pdd recommends approval to the bcc with conditions all right and here comes the applicant commissioners again clark hobby hobby and hobby pa 109 north brush street tampa florida have been sworn i'll keep this brief i think the commissioner commissioners are generally aware of this project our client is constructing a significant portion of a of a roadway called causeway boulevard out the north side of

the project that's been problematic for 50 years we worked with the county staff for over a year to get the right-of-way in place so that we could take a substandard road bring it make substandard roadway improvements build a new segment of it and build new lanes to connect to roach's run and we did that uh primarily because this is where the good marketing opportunity was for the project it was a good thing for the county to have the roadway improvements and it avoided what we think our project probably could not go out the southern side because of some operational issues at wisterian 41. i'm going to reserve the balance of my time just to answer any questions that the neighbor may have thank you okay well um will the gentleman who raised his hand please come up name and address for the record my name is gary pete i live at 6422 wisteria loop which is on the back side of what the proposal is and so you just have to state whether or not you've been sworn yes i am thank you i live on the back side of where the proposal is i've gone out there in the morning purposely to look and see what the traffic is on 40 41 out there and the traffic at six o'clock is bumper to bumper from light to light from the past where the school is there's three lights there that's where the school is they start out like rockets coming out of the out of the light and it's bumper to bumper all the way up to the next light my one neighbor told me that took him three change or two changes of each light just to get to his work which is further on i have grandchildren going to be going to that school of atlanta lake school i don't want that with these number of homes they're going to be here 300 some or excuse me possibly 400 you're gonna have at least 500 more cars on that road during the week per morning and per afternoon right now it's not as big as 54. this lady's argument over here i agree with her but 41 is even worse at that point because it's just two when he's on each side i suggest that you take a look at it again i used to i'm retired now i used to teach risk management we got some risks there that i don't know if somebody's really taking a good look at so um just to comment i would say we um we have some other north south roads coming in the area with 41 won't be the only road to go north and south so there is relief coming just so you know okay thank you now one one last question there will be no roads coming out onto wisteria loop no exits they only have an emergency exit onto wisteria what does that mean if there if there's an accident that that blocks their entrance then there can be um emergency exit through the back it's a requirement that we have a fence down there the applicant can answer yeah the applicant can answer that one you might want to call for anybody else just yeah is there anyone else wishing

to speak to this and do we have anyone online we have no one online okay item and we'll close public comment and let mr hobby address uh again clark hobby for the record i think i can answer these questions and i have steve henry here if there are any transportation questions but we did a timing and phasing analysis and there is adequate capacity on this stretch of 41. obviously the area is growing and over time there's a large area of res 6 in this area to the south of this project we're only in res 3 world but there will be growth in the area and we'd expect dot to undertake you know analysis and widening is necessary over time in the area we are not proposing um fences along the south southerly border for the simple fact of almost all of the areas in which we're constructing homes and development are buffered by large wetland systems and it we when we looked at the mpud master plan briefly as i think the chairman noted the chairwoman i should say there are significant upland areas on the southerly boundary that we have agreed not to have any residential uses in so there will be a large buffer through areas that are not constructed upon and then the wetland systems that run along the southerly boundary of the property i'm sure i think just sorry i think the question was on the emergency access was there actually i can answer that as well again we do not propose any access onto bexley or wisteria that would only be used in the event that our other access on causeway is totally blocked so like emergency vehicles couldn't get in and out of the subdivision and that would only be a temporary condition right okay so i guess the the real question is how are you going to make it so that your residents don't use it i believe there's proposed to be a gate there okay okay thank you remember any other questions all right see now move forward second uh all in favor aye aye opposed all right 117. let me answer this question yeah liam devine planning and development pdd22-7575 in the name of angel land llc slash culvers county line road this is zoning amendment from ar agricultural residential district and po1 professional office district to an ar agricultural residential district and c2 general commercial district the subject site is located on the south side of county line road approximately 500 feet east of shady hills road um there should be an aerial view um and then the surrounding future land use to the north is res one to the east is res one and com commercial to the south is res one con commercial and to the west is ror the surrounding zoning

to the north is ar to the east is ar and ar1 to the south is ar ar1 and to the west is c2 the subject site is currently undeveloped and consists of approximately 7.29 acres the applicant proposes to develop a portion of the property with 4 400 square feet of casual fast casual restaurant and 5 000 square feet of retail space in conformance with the c2 general commercial district standards while the rest of the property will be ar zoning the site has a 295 foot wide florida power corporation easement to the west and southwest portion of the property and a drainage and utility easement along the east and southeast portion the subject site has a future land use classification of comm commercial the applicant has voluntarily will voluntarily record a deed restriction and access to the properties along county line road and then there should be a conceptual plan and this is coming with a recommendation for approval i'm here if you have any questions mr mariana yes um one question i know you don't you you have this you set up with no access coming in from those side roads correct but have you thought about it one of the places coming in it's culver's right yeah um ice cream place i believe that would be for the apple clint to top quality place i think all the residents in that area probably want to go there but what concerns me is if they wanted to walk to it can they others there are pedestrian access to that good question yes so that could be handled at the site plane review um there is a wall there's no prohibiting it to have pedestrian access however there is a utility and storm water easement that's quite large along that portion to the south okay and about the as far as the access as far as water and sewer it says you're going to looks like you're going to connect to hernando i believe that is the connection right is that is that official because from what i've heard from times down the road that they're not so uh willing to have us connect because of the demands they have above we have uh in excuse me an interlocal agreement with hernando county for sewage so if this is in the right area and it makes sense that's where it would go we don't have sewer service in the area i believe we have water service in this area okay and i'll say for down the road though for the board to to think about connie line road especially again it hopefully gets expanded quickly with the scop grant that's coming but if we can take a look and just keep in mind that we're going to eventually want to get have our line going up there but uh and that'll move for approval

second do i have to see if there's any more public comment on this yes is there anyone okay uh we have a fur uh a motion to approve in a second all in favor aye aye aye 119. item 119 we have rob signed up to speak to this item rob park 9614 aaron cut off i'm sworn i'm specifically concerned with my small world where i live on erin cutoff and more broadly if these are consistencies just where i live how much of the rest of the proposed changes are flawed first aaron cutoff is a collector road in an addendum to the existing chapter 7 transportation element there is wording quote collector as connecting links between local streets and arterials end quote the wording goes on quote collectors do not form continuous network and generally discourage through traffic and quote aaron cut off connects arterial roads us-41 and state road 52. 99.9 of the traffic on aaron cutoff is arterial traffic there doesn't seem to be any discouraging of through traffic in fact the proposed change to table seven two increases aaron cut off from two lanes to four lanes this contradicts what your protesters put in place and what your predecessors put in writing in the proposed text amendments to chapter 7 the second paragraph ends with the words quote meet established community goals and perverse preserving the quality of life end quote how does putting a four-lane road a hundred feet from my front door preserve quality of life i have lived on aaron cutoff for 40 years aside from outlaw ridge and the abomination of caliente and aaron cutoff there has been no change on aaron cut off to justify the increased traffic second at a january 2020 mpo meeting i pointed out that a portion of the collier parkway extension had been eliminated but was still drawn on the proposed maps this was confirmed by an executive planner at the mpo and it was understood the map would be corrected proposed maps 735 and 736 are not corrected in addition both maps show caliente as an existing collector road from us-41 to erin cutoff it is not a through road both maps show future collier parkway extension different from the eliminated segment as a four-lane collector road about a half a mile west of aaron cut off why two four-lane roads that start and end together third emphasis should not be in slicing up the county with these so-called corridors emphasis should be on keeping arterial traffic on arterial roads emphasis should be on maintaining collector roads and not as shortcuts in between arterial roads

emphasis should be on maintaining the vision of your predecessors and still add your vibrance fourth i urge this board not to pass these amendments until they are corrected scrutinized and verified thanks uh i'm sorry you're not allowed to clap here so plea please uh don't do that um does someone want to answer if erin wrote why don't you ask if there's any more is there anyone else who wants to speak to this okay can someone uh well i'm gonna close close it for public comment and could you please talk about aaron cut off hello everyone this is amir jamali with planning and development department uh actually i want to say and make a clarification this table is not for actual projects this table preserves the right of way for future possible improvements if we want to widen or expand the roadways so it is the all can be an ultimate design for that roadways so so right now as of today the county has no plan to widen the roadways [Music] and if we want to plan any expansion then we can discuss later so i just want to make sure i think this comment is not related to the critical preservation table because it's for the ultimate uh design for the when the county is picked up okay any questions commissioner starkey yes are are you planning to build a road there are you just widening it and getting right away for a vision planning of a visionary road so the vision is to construct that roadway as four lane if we have more developments in that area if more development comes in into the picture for sure we need more capacity improvements to carry the traffic okay and i like terry's answering my question you can come up yep yeah i think we're good do i uh any more questions i'll entertain a motion what's up second all those in favor aye aye opposed uh commissioner fitzpatrick said i quietly okay uh 120. item 120 p120 i have ralph brown signed up all right we're going to get a presentation first on what we're talking about in the call about public works uh this is item number pw22032 arcola avenue previous number three four zero four this is one street discount maintained and the estimated cost is

just about 229 uh thirty thousand dollars two hundred and thirty thousand dollars the maximum cost per eru is nine thousand and thirty three dollars and eight cents the discounted amount is fifty thousand six hundred and fifty nine dollars and ninety two cents the maximum cost per eru after the discount is seven thousand twenty five dollars and thirty five cents um in terms of the number of possible votes there were thirty one we got uh six responses um three were in favor and three were against and in terms of the repayment period they saw a 10-year period and at 3.25 percent interest rate this is a location map us-19 to the west and um what's that to to the east yes thank you omaha this is a couple photos of the road condition another one and um the staff recommendation is approved yeah okay um come on up name and address and were there four people signed up for this no for this one just one okay just one is there anyone else that's going to want to speak to this because we have a big day please line up behind this gentleman i'm ralph brown from 8424 arcola avenue hudson florida um i want to thank the board of commissions for allowing me to speak against this project so on carl arcola avenue you have a bunch of small businesses and some residents and you have three major trucking firms two cement companies and the in the garbage company they run hundreds fifty two hundred minimum hundreds of semis up and down this road for the last 20 years we watched them destroy it it was put to vote a long time ago the community voted it down okay uh now we're being told that you're going to push it through and we the small businesses are going to pay the same share that these three major trucking firms now let me put this in your idea let's suppose we went to your house and we moved three trucking firms on your block and they ran 50 to 100 trucks up and down your road and destroyed it they said oh now we need to pave it we'd like for you to pay for it okay well we think if either let it go just like it is it works just fine or either the county pay for it or the trucking firms that are destroying it pay for it but not make the small business and the residents pay for it thank you very much i strongly urge you to vote no next please how are you guys doing today uh my name is douglas i got 8621 arcola avenue i uh need your last name as well say what i need your last name as well

lee douglas lee thank you sorry i've never done one of these things before but uh i was the one that proposed to get it paved uh i own a small business on there and i have a like the gentleman before the truck the garbage company lives on the road they run 100 trucks up and down today there's two concrete plants on that road every entrance to the concrete plant the trash company it's all you know ate up pretty good uh but i'm having a problem getting certain deliveries and it's beating up my trucks pretty bad and i don't know what to do i've tried calling to get fixes and stuff and i was informed i had to try to petition to get this paved and i went this way and i they got sent to i know pascal for pennies or something to get the road paved through the pat the county and then it didn't get paved and so i don't know i just needed pay i need a clean road to drive my trucks up and down is all i'm asking for or not you know so all right thank you this is a tough one mariano sure yes sir you were the petition leader but talking to ainsley and i drove on the road the other day you were actually you didn't actually put your vote in though correct yes uh when they came through i called the county and i talked to some person at the county and i was asking questions about it and i came actually to the the last uh the workshop i was the only one here at the workshop and i talked with the [Music] the gentleman over there and uh i told him about how what i was kind of informed of so it made me feel like uh it didn't really matter on the situation i i don't know wait sorry i just i called the county talk to him and i feel like i was misinformed on what was supposed to happen for the road and if come to find out i maybe didn't get to his department i got to the utility department or something so so if i understand right you were the petition leader and you didn't vote and your vote would have been a yes yes there would have been four to three i have two lots on that property so you it would have been five to three yes ma'am so are you gonna um you know it's interesting it's an interesting dilemma like they were talking i talked to him about what they're supposed to do take two inches of you know the top layer off i've measured holes that are eight inches deep on that road what okay what ainsley what kind of

um project are you gonna do here considering there's large trucks driving on this one the first thing we're going to do is de-base for those potholes we're going to show up the base and then we're going to go through and mill and pave with two and a half inches asphalt we're going to put that down in two lifts commissioner mariano it's your district is it that standard asphalt or is that a little bit extra sorry is that the standard asphalt two and a half inches or is it extra typically we put two to two and a half so making sure we put two and a half okay um what would the difference be going a little bit more to go to three sorry what would the difference be in a little bit more going to three so i think that from two if you went to from two and a half inches to three um it's not significant and that should be taken care of in the contingent okay i mean i'd like to see us go a little bit heavier duty um we can i mean i don't mind reaching out it's i know um it's republic it's preferred and was it argus that's the other concrete company and we can ask them if they'll contribute more to help us to go build the thicker road which they may like as well i won't make it voluntary but the way it is right now i'd like to approve it going to the three inches for the base measure chair yeah question part so the one gentleman mentioned um and you just mentioned that there are a waste hauler waste trial or two concrete companies and how many concrete companies two two and then again how many businesses total on this road and how many residents 31 yes 31 yeah 31 and this gentleman has two so i don't have it broken down how many idiots versus residents how many edus sorry erus the businesses are paid i just want to make sure he said yeah it says there are 27 lots 2 25.42 erus yes okay go ahead commission more because i i so does a truck company pay the same amount on that road as a 2000 the assessment is based on the size of the parcel and the zoning so it's not dependent on anything i understand that but but what we're hearing we're hearing from one person is the majority of the load on this road is coming from possibly two if not three businesses you can't talk from the audience i know you're waving i apologize i'm sorry sorry um but i if i'm not correct that's true i'm hearing yes i'm seeing some heads nod right so that's that's where my concern is so we have a we have we have and again love businesses we appreciate the businesses being there but we have three

that are the major impactors of this road i should be paying more yeah i don't disagree i mean if this guy's just driving a car or truck to work uh you know a regular truck to work every day and they're putting 100 loads and that's those are these are high weight loads as well that that if you're on a major highway you're running through you're having to get weight every day traveling up in the highways right well they're not on this road and they're putting let me finish they're putting a huge impact on this road so that's what that concerns me they should have paid the same as these people and this is about your concern but the fact of it is our ordinance doesn't separate businesses from residents as far as paying for a pvas road do they well your your ordinance creates an equivalent residential unit it but it does not take into account right intensity and intensity of the use that is an oversight yeah that we will need to address hopefully we're going to do something different than pivas and we'll address it there madam chair question for the commissioner marianne would you be willing to continue this for today and reach out to those two businesses and see if they have a willingness to contribute possibly more to the if again to the effect of you know everybody's having to pay the same amount for but not having the impact on the road i like that idea um i was going to try to do that anyway but i think it's probably better if we do it that way so this way when we vote we'll go down at once all right we'll make a motion and i think they'll go through and they'll probably work with us because we can even do something if we do a full depth reclamation and give it a solid base and then put three inches they'll know for many years down the road they don't have to worry so yeah and that'll take a little less burden on that patrick wants to say something so hang on one second and i would just did i just finish oh yes sir i want to get small businesses like mr brown who's out there was a great great boat builder um as well that uh it'll help that's right that's right uh check them online uh but as a you know great businessman like that we want to help them thrive so i think that'll help with everything coming out so i'll be happy to do that but okay i'll be sure quick i just feel that we should be taking it into consideration the wear and tear on the roads and then also did any of them start their business there and pay impact or mobility fees because i would think that should be taken into consideration does it consider that no impact fees don't go to that

area well they don't yeah they their capital capacity improvements not retrofitting the mobility right yes all right so commissioner motion mariana do you have a motion i will move to continue back in january 25th is your 2022 is your next newport ritchie meeting if that's where you want to put it move to continue time certain second again all in favor aye aye aye all right 121. where's that one that's my district the callaway public works uh this is the public hearing for uh pw220034 and this is calvary road pves number 3388 this is juan street this counter maintained and paved the total project estimated cost is 301 262 dollars maximum cost for eru is 2596.26 cents the discounted amount is 36143.09 and the maximum cost per eru after discount is two thousand one hundred ninety seven dollars and nineteen cents there were uh possible 114 uh votes um 41 responded and off that number 23 which is 56 or in favor of a project um 44 percent was against the project annual amortization is over 10 year period and the interest rate is 3.25 percent interest this is a location map this conditional for road and staff is recommended and approved okay um so is this one where we had four people sign up to speak um do we have people to sign up to speak to this i'm going to ask um everyone to line up please she's the only one that is signed up oh she's the only one signed up okay good afternoon commissioner you can lower that mic down and we need your name and address please you just bend it on the end like that yeah there you go my name is margaret platterborg's i live at 1125 calvary road and holiday i own four parcels and i have been sworn in calvary road has a lot of issues that don't have anything to do with the road we do have a road it may not be the best road in pasco county but it is a road a lot of my neighbors don't have a road at all their roads are dirt i am the applicant to repave calvary road i put in this petition 20 years ago i was number 98 i thought by this point in time that they would have progressed with my area it's not a subdivision it's a very rural area and but unfortunately that didn't happen we have natural drainage that's been there for 50 years the federal government came along and in my side of the street they put in a sidewalk in the natural drainage so instead of the rain going into the dr into the ground it now rolls down the sidewalk it floods out my property it flows out the man's property next door he needs a boat to get into his driveway the natural drainage goes on up in a pipe under the road to the other side which the county owns an acre and a half of land which i keep maintained because the

county refuses to do that the natural drainage swift mud comes out and they says oh yes it's draining just fine it couldn't possibly be draining fine because then the water would not be standing there and the golf carts and the kids would not be mud sliding through all the water if the water was not there gulf winds is directly across the street from my property gulf winds is built up so high that now i feel like when i look out my window i'm in someone's basement in the 20 years since i put in this application they have put in three mobile home parks there are dump trucks going up and down the road much less like the gentleman that spoke before me it is a very long narrow road we are not getting a wider road there are a lot of commercial vehicles everyone in the world has a pickup truck they have dump trucks tree trimmers landscape people the road is very busy it's the in and the out to my area i really would appreciate it if right now we do not need a road we have no street lights i haven't had a trick-or-treater in 40 years right it's it's absolutely it's nice that we have it would be nice to have a road but the two i'm sorry no you have another minute it's okay the two and a half inches of asphalt drainage is a big issue every the roads flood out we are riding along the side of the road because you can't get two cars beside each other and the asphalt and water do not mix if we do this road right now before we address the other issues we're just putting a band-aid on the problem because the water and the asphalt don't mix ainsley has already told me that for two and a half months the asphalt stays very soft that they recommend instead of just stopping and turning into your driveway that you just do a round turn because of the softness of the the asphalt well the kids that are drag racing up and down the road doing donuts it's it's going to destroy the road before it even gets started so i would really appreciate it if you would take and we can addre let's put the table this until we can address some of the other issues the drainage being the bigger issue all right thank you ainsley can you come back up please this is in my district um well the road is clearly not going to last much longer and i know sometimes we come in and do some drainage fixes what is there anything we can do here with all piva's projects we do road related drainage i was on site and i met with the applicant or the um the petition leader and um she pointed out some concerns i have passed it on to our storm our road related drainage team and they're going to address it bear in mind that all of this will be addressed if it is approved in a road related drainage any road related drainage will be addressed before we actually do paving okay

um i've driven down these these roads there's there are a lot of them in bad shape not just this one but um can i i'm sorry can i make a motion as chair no okay i would appreciate if someone um would make a motion to approve this chairman just so we are sure please call for public comment you had asked the clerk whether there was anybody signed up i don't think we actually called for public comment if there is any well we had the one lady does anyone else want to speak yeah um so i'd love to entertain a motion to approve it was the majority rule second okay all in favor aye thank you and they will address some of the flooding out there so okay now we are p122 no yeah p122 item p122 was published in the tempe times on october 13th 2021 oh okay um i is the applicant going to speak well is the county speaking who's got and then i have a question on this one we can wait till after the application for my question thank you all right candy standard planning and development department i'm finding npvd pd227569 we can't hear you i know that's not my microphones aren't working right they're not loud enough is that better that's that is bad thank you just lean into it um here we go with the location map proposes a rezoning request from an mpud to an npud to allow the exchange of a maximum of 238 multifamily residential unit entitlements in addition to the existing 182 745 square feet of commercial retail entitlements and to change the name from the mpud from dale mabry town center and beauty to arlington del mabre mpd and here is master plan for the northern piece showing the multi-family and there's a master plan for the entire thing with the existing retail commercial currently the subject parcels are known as a dell madrid town center and pud and contain a department store and a bank totaling approximately 182 745 000 square feet of allocated used commercial retail entitlements there is a surplus of 162 255 square feet of commercial retail entitlements the proposed project is outside of the temporary multifamily moratorium and the request is consistent with the pasco ldc and the applicable provisions of the pasco comprehensive plan and with that the pdd recommends approval with conditions okay um i have some questions but i think i'll hear from the applicant first okay good afternoon truett gardner 400 north asset drive i have been sworn i'll be

briefed in the interest of your time happy to answer your questions we have staff support also planning commission unanimously found us to be recommended for approval and to clarify the existing target and the bank branch will remain these are just entitlements on the north side of the property that have never been utilized in fact the this site is set vacant for in excess of 15 years despite its zoning and despite the target opening 2008 recently the site's become a nuisance is used for for dumping primarily and there's also a lot of tractor trailers that are just stored there improperly and so this is to clean that up it would create a mix use development which is in keeping with the south market area and we would ask your support but happy to answer any questions you may have well i i do want to see how you're making it mixed use with the in the overall pd the target will remain which is commercial retail the bank branch will remain so this adds a retail use to the overall pd so the pd will be mixed use i feel like i feel like there's a misunders for me maybe a misunderstanding of mixed use because to me that's a mix of uses but i guess i always think of mixed use as vertically integrated uses am i i'm not a planner but i know that we're we're making um others do things a little different we we don't want to be swapping out land that could create jobs for um only residential and so i'm just i told terry i was going to ask him about this i'm trying to understand why we're not asking for any um vertical mixed use here when we are asking that of others if you don't mind i'm going to ask my planning director because no one came and talked to me about this and i would have i would have asked this first i've seen it too so victorious pizza was planning and development um can you repeat your question well i'm just i mean are they getting away without having anything on the new development that is job creating because nearby there's a target yeah right so can i jump man i'm trying can i ask you a question real quick you know if you're okay with this and you just made a good point this is the first i've seen it you said it's your district it's the first you've seen it we were not detailed by i never i was never detailed by the applicant i was never detailed by staff i may i would make a motion to continue this to give the opportunity to have to have these questions so we're not debating this issue up in the diocese now and we have time to actually ingest this and have

these conversations with staff and if the applicant wants to meet with us and as well would you agree with that yeah okay i'll make him continue this a little more discussion first yeah i'll second the motion but i want to have a little more discussion you know if you're reading it in lieu of the 162 000 remaining unbuilt commercial retail entitlements so we're taking commercial retail job creating that's right opportunities and now we're going to go get more residential right on now i don't know what our staff is looking at or listening to but i'm hearing clearly in that area as congested as it is they don't want to see any more apartments coming in to make it even more traffic burden they want to see jobs they want people commuting down to tampa or elsewhere they want to work right here there's commercial property that's there they could be other things that could create jobs so i don't think we need any more apartments well not supposedly not in this particular site i i'm i am willing to entertain it but i want to be fair to all multi-family that are coming to us that front on a major corridor and i haven't been able no one had that discussion with me so would you mind if we continued it and you'd come back and talk with the commissioners here so we can make sure you understand the vision that we represent for the people of pasco canada again sure gardener 400 north ashley just as this hasn't been brought to your attention that's the first we're hearing of this as well and i thought of this as a mixture of uses as opposed to as you said chairman starkey or chairwoman starkey integrated mix use project this site has struggled i will say to fill that retail and um and but we are more than happy to discuss this you are correct we're on dumb avery highway and so happy to talk to my client talk to staff happy to talk to any of you about this and and happy to take the continuance and and flesh this issue out and come back to you great motivation continue time uncertain yeah okay uh you do i don't want them to be ready for time certain yeah so they needed staff's gonna have to work with the applicant and bring it back there's no time certainly okay okay let's do that and thank you very much all right uh all in favor aye opposed okay so 123. item 123 was published in the tampa bay times on november 7th 2021 yes commission this is commissioner this is a resolution to redefine the districts of the five county commission districts the map that is attached and recommended for you is

the map that you asked us to bring back to you on this date so this is a public hearing on the item the resolution has been updated and provided to each of you at the dyess approval it's public hearing [Laughter] this is a public hearing and does anyone want to speak to the new commission maps besides me anyone out there madam chair we have two on webex all right um let's let's hear the ones on webex right we have christine bright miss bright if you could state your name and address and whether you've been sworn for the record i have been sworn in um i'm sorry miss bright we didn't get your comments could you restart thank you my name is christine bright i reside at 5109 connor drive in mandel lakes florida and i was sworn in thank you i have been a resident of pasco county for over 40 years and i'm the current a chair of the pasco unit of the league women voters our president uh our league president is also on today she's registered to speak and in the interest of time i'm going to um [Music] just omit my comments and uh hopefully give more time to others to speak but i appreciate the opportunity okay today um well everyone gets three minutes right yes okay so we'll move on to the next speaker thank you uh the next public comment is deborah kaufman miss kaufman if you could state your name and address for the record and that you've been sworn okay miss kaufman if you could is she uh is she on she's on okay you've been unknown there you go we can hear you okay thank you thank you madam chair and commissioners thank you for this opportunity to speak my name is deborah kaufman and i'm speaking today as the president of the league of women voters of hillsborough county and its pasco unit on agenda item number p123 i live at 335 44 osprey cove drive in riverview florida and i have been sworn in the league of women voters was founded over a hundred years ago shortly after passage of the constitutional amendment granting women in the united states the right to vote it was then and continues to be a non-partisan political organization committed to educating voters and advocating for important community issues these two separate but equally important functions help us to achieve our mission of empowering voters and defending

democracy as champions of democracy the league knows that empowered voters are essential to our community's success in providing justice equity and a good quality of life for everyone in a representative democracy such as ours it is vital that the way voters are apportioned into geographically defined voting districts should allow voters a true one-person one-vote power and should not do all it can to make it impossible for that power to exist in fulfillment of our duties related to voter education our league has been tireless in its efforts to inform our community not only about the importance of the redistricting process but also the duty you have to hold a fair open process that invites the participation of we the public in your deliberations as early as possible to many of us the redistricting process seems irrelevant and cryptic it is however one of the most enduring decisions you will make because the ramifications of this decision will persist for 10 years it will affect every vote taken here during that time because as we all know the way voters are apportioned into districts can determine to a great extent who will be sitting in your chairs after the next election the goals you have set for yourselves in this process are laudatory and i thank you for them and i call upon you today to ensure that your actions recognize the public input you have received and are in accordance with the generally recognized principles of fair districting that is districts that are compact contiguous equal in population attentive to natural boundaries and not favoring a political party or candidate it is your duty to ensure that every vote for the board of county commissioners in pasco counts equally thank you for the opportunity to comment today thank you very much uh board members mr madam chair and and i appreciate the speakers i just want to make sure the public knows and the people in the audience i think the majority of voters in in pasco county know that we're elected county wide so some of the statements made by possibly some of the speakers do not pertain to pasco county whereas some counties like hillsborough county and or pinellas and others actually their districts on the people in the in those districts are able to vote for those candidates the great thing about pasco county is you get to pick every one of the commissioners each and every one of you versus as in some counties thank you so much some counties only only you only get to pick the people in your districts or an at-large or an at-large we have everybody's at large here yeah you just gotta live in your district get five choices um and i i did want to comment too on our new lines um you know uh

when they made district three and uh i think there were some there was consis considerations in that that mapping i've heard for where commissioner mullery lived because you can't zone out a sitting commissioner from their district and so and commissioner hildebrand was retiring i've done some research into this and so they came up with this kind of crazy wacky district which i would say in my opinion does not serve the residents of wesley chapel well when you have the holiday commissioner dealing with the wesley chapel issues i think they're better served by the wesley chapel commissioner and when i was going to hoa meetings i was driving out to uh for for some of those neighborhoods over there on bruce b downs i was going to the hunters green library near lake the known assassin so i'd rather you do that that's not good and i i think there was you know we were i know you were always getting calls um for district three because who would have thought that that was um you were you know you're the what the east side commissioner the southeast side so i think this serves the citizens much better and i'm sorry that it doesn't match perfectly i don't even know what school district maps look like in a perfect world they would be the same but you know we have different issues than they have and i don't think it matters to anybody except someone who wants to run and they have to look up and see who they're going to run against right and and so we did some research in the state there are many counties where they're not exactly the same but i i don't think the citizens and our voters are are hurt by any of our lines and um and so with that i would entertain a motion to proof i wouldn't just little comment first before i do that um and i want to say i'm very proud of the way the board went through and talked about how we wanted to do it and uh chairman oakley at the time made a very good comment to us as we are at large as commissioner moore says so we serve everybody and the beauty of that is if we're involved with a situation where we know something specifically we can help we don't have to worry about the resident commissioner being worried about us going in there and doing it because we know all know it's better information serving everybody so with those comments these lines do separate uh the districts out but i think we all work together as a group and i think make a lot of great decisions yeah i'll move approval second before we vote i would uh also add to it the fact that we all serve citizens that are in our districts more closely than we do others but we are also open our offices are open to everyone in the

in the county and we represent every citizen in pasco county without a doubt so with that a normal thing i normally say to the rest of you is i'll take care of my half of the county you take people forward i'll keep taking the majority of the calls in the county yes well secretary and i'm going to send everyone um we have our hands full yeah yeah so i think we have a motion and a second so all in favor all right okay um moving on to p124 p124 item p124 was published in the template times on august 25th 2021 thank you chairman thank you chair members jessica cole with the planning and development department there have been some ex partes sent to the clerk's office pertaining to this petition item p124 is pdd227526 in the name of daryl and karen renner for a requested change in zoning from ac agricultural district and ar-1 agricultural residential district to mpud master plan unit development district to allow for 108 single-family detached units on approximately 50.15 acres the property is located in south central pasco county on the south side of bexley road approximately one mile west of the intersection of u.s highway 41 and wisteria loop the western parcel of the subject site reflects its original ac zoning district and the eastern parcel was approved for rezoning by the bcc from ac to ar1 on january 12th of 1977 the parcels have a future land use classification of res 3. the subject site contains a residential dwelling unit and agricultural pursuits it is in the central market area yet is outside the urban service expansion and rural areas the planning commission heard this item on september 30th and after discussions required regarding required improvements to the wisteria loop and the realignment thereof the commission approved the motion to continue the item to the november 7th meeting on november 7th the planning commission heard the item and after further discussions regarding the necessary improvements for the realignment of wisteria loop the commission approved the motion to further continue the item to the november 18th planning commission meeting at the november 18th meeting the planning commission approved the conditions of approval that you see in your packet to require the applicant to improve segments of the wisteria loop bexley road as substandard at the project's entrance to the realignment of wisteria loop to construct the vision road of wisteria loop and then further substandard roadway improvements to the east up to us-41 except for the areas that are already approved to be done by others after the planning commission discussion

on september 30th staff revised condition 16 to require the mpud the renter mpd to construct the improvements previously noted this realignment goes through the clark mpud that was approved earlier in this meeting at the october 26th bcc meeting the board directed staff to ensure conditions of approval for mpud rezoning petitions require a minimum of one lot tree in the front yard a variety of architectural features to prevent monotony and a restriction in the number of front loaded 40 foot wide lots this petition is not requesting 40 foot wide lots 50 foot lots are being proposed condition number 13 addresses the placement of lot trees prior to this board's directive the applicant had proposed a condition that would require four different architectural home designs dispersed throughout the proposed development to address the architectural monotony staff did subsequently revise that condition it's currently condition number 44 to further align with the board's directive condition number 17 was added after the planning commission's discussion at the november 4th meeting to allow the project to receive mobility fee credits for the additional cost of design permitting and construction of the realignment portion of bexley road wisteria loop through the clark and pod in the event that the planning commission and or the board of county commissioners required the applicant to construct the realign portion of bexley road wisteria loop through the clark mpd this condition will be deleted if the board at this hearing does not impose this requirement at the november 18th planning commission hearing the commission did vote in favor five to one with chairman uh recusing himself from the vote this is a present presentation of their proposed master plan wrong project i was planning permission yeah i think that was roberto that is he chairman of no no that's mr gray so i think roberto syez um voted no and gray voted right you know ray recruited himself didn't he no no you are correct they voted five to one with roberto saying no you're not yes no you are absolutely correct i apologize twice thank you for correcting that okay i thought you meant i was on the wrong slide now i've lost myself yeah the chairman recused himself from a upcoming project on the agenda correct correct well i've lost my presentation so i apologize folks um however the proposed petition has been identified as being consistent with the land development code the applicable provisions of the comprehensive plan and it does come to you with a staff and planning commission recommendation of approval subject to the conditions of

approval in your packet um i i need to go over those conditions of approval you all right with that oh yeah go over yeah i want to see the vision road too yeah i think we need to dig into this a little more would you like the applicant to do their presentation first okay thank you thank you madam chairman commissioner shelley johnson 6400 madison street and i have been sworn we have a powerpoint i don't know if we can because i i'm going to try to be quick because i know you guys have a lot on your agenda this afternoon but um so i will try to be brief but um this this we are i have been sworn i think i told you that this is um the runner mpd and the vicinity around the reno npd i think some of you have already seen this as you can see our mpd the rhino mpd is this little purple mpd here with 108 units the actual property is on the existing alignment of wisteria loop which we've talked to with a lot of you about you can see that existing alignment the arden mpd which has already been approved by you is likewise on that existing alignment they are 130 units and they have actually been approved and they're doing improvements to um they did improvements to the existing wisteria loop and that was what you required them to do we went into the runner mpv with 108 units we had a recommendation of approval going into the planning commission that we were going to be able to improve the existing alignment bring it up to standard which is what we intended to do and are still agreeing to do obviously i think staff and all the engineers have looked at it and i haven't heard otherwise but it can be brought up standard they're sufficient right away there for it and so we are proposing still to do that that was when we went into the actual planning commission meeting and that's when things seemed to kind of go sideways there was initial question and if we can move forward i'm not really sure how to do that can you go to slide um one other thing i wanted to mention because i do think it's important on the runner mpd we actually have a vision road on our property a north-south one that we have um it's been requested that we build um and provide the right-of-way for which we in fact are doing as you can see and so that's on our plan so we have that in addition to our substandard road improvements on the existing wisteria loop access alignment could you go down to the next one do you mind and that's just it shows our road again and then the next one i think will be yeah there we go okay so as you can see when we went into planning commission we had staff

support that we complied with the code bring the existing alignment up up to code and we were fine with that we could bring it up to standard as you can see this is the existing alignment and where that little star is you'll see the existing alignment actually skirts what is a a pristine class 1 wetland on the clark mpd property the one you just approved earlier ultimately what we were being asked to do at the planning commission is to actually build the new alignment the new vision road alignment um on the clark property versus coming into compliance and complying with the code and building on the existing alignment which we could do the existing alignment cost is around 900 and some thousand dollars which we were fine with obviously doing ultimately somehow it got sideways the planning commission and the next thing we know we were being asked to build a three almost three 2.7 2.8 million dollar road vision road on this little little for this little 108 unit mpd um on somebody else's property in order to get access um our access and this rental property and i know the runners are here those the homeowners um they that this is the access that's been used for that property since the beginning um you know that's the access people use there's no access south on this for the renter property our only access is the existing alignment which i do think is really important um nevertheless the planning commission we we talked about you know impact fee credits and all kinds of things in terms of you know how we could offset costs but we were dealing with such a large cost for such a small development it's just from an equitable perspective it we didn't understand why we were being singled out but nevertheless it wasn't something that we could make from a cost perspective work um we've actually looked at doing it farther going a little bit farther south on the alignment you can see the the red is the actual vision road alignment the blue is the existing and you can see that the red goes right through that class one wetland so outside of caught we looked at like i was saying we looked at an additional route to kind of go a little bit further south we had talked to staff about that and staff um we did actually look at it's about is still we're still looking at about 2.1 million dollars so we went from 2.7 to 2.1 um if we had to build the vision road alignment um but we're still you know we're still we've still got a gap that we have no way of making up and again the traffic impact fees we we did look at that i mean the ones the offers that we got from a timing perspective and from a takedown perspective on the schedule of how many we could be taken down at a certain amount of time it just doesn't work for this little development that's

the issue it almost is like we're being punished for being small but we're building within our existing land use so ultimately we we went to planning commission we explained all this to them outside of all that issue we have this wetland um it is a class one wetland and what we are being told and we share this with planning commission is that we are looking at permitting through dep and at best case scenario we're looking at two years i mean this is 108 units we were planning on probably you know going to cycling going to plating and then being under construction maybe in the summer if at all possible so to wait two or three years or to bond this road for two or three years in order to get access to our property and to be able to develop is just inequitable it's just not how developments are treated and have been treated because we have access we have an alignment we can bring it up to standard none of the experts have told us otherwise that we cannot we've actually added if you if you don't mind going back one more to the intersection we actually at the planning commission added an intersection improvement because there was questions raised about whether or not that could you know be straightened out and so we did actually add that improvement and no impact fee credits for that we don't need to do that in order to bring the road up to standard um according to the experts but we've added that um as an addition to try to meet everybody halfway and and get something nice out there for everybody um while this you know so this little development can can go go forward subsequent to planning commission we've now offered and we've provided the proposed condition to staff to also prepay our impact fees um the idea being that we'll prepare impact fees that money can go into a fund of the county's choosing um and then ultimately if somebody comes along um and whether it be bexley north whether it be another development that comes online that triggers it you know there will be money there so that that vision road can ultimately be built but for us you know the 1.3 million dollar improvement that we're willing to do to the existing alignment is what we truly believe we're legally required to do um we feel like we're trying to go above and beyond by putting in the intersection improvement go above and beyond by prepaying the impact fees i just don't know that there's anything else that this little development can put on the table to make this work you know maybe if there was just a cost issue maybe that wouldn't have been a problem but we have a class one wetland permitting issue so and maybe if there wasn't a class one wetland permitting issue you know there so would be a cost issue but if this was a bigger development it could have phased it i mean we've we've looked

at all that um it's just a small development it's just not something that you know from you know you're trying to stick the square peg in the round hole for this development it's not something that i think it's required to do i don't think the code requires it i think the code specifically permits us to improve our existing access um as long as we can um and so you know we would ask for your support we again we're putting on the table the additional prepayment of impact fees i know many of you know about that we have provided the actual proposed condition to staff um but we would request support i do have obviously our whole team is here to answer any questions but we do request support to be able to build improve and bring to standard the existing alignment of wisteria loop per the code we had staff's recommendation of approval for that and now we've added more stuff on the table i don't necessarily know that staff doesn't still support that proposal because it is within your code um and now we you know obviously in addition to the the intersection improvement the impact the improvements you know we're asking for support and just be able to move forward but we're here to answer any questions i have a question and maybe you all have a question but uh the north south vision road that you have to build what what is that road that's on your vision map i think it was supposed to be a maybe a potential future connection to tower but right now it's a dead end street on the south because there's no access on that end so can someone put up the vision road network in this area i'd be interested to see that no one's ever showed it to me it's probably going to take that's probably going to take a couple minutes okay does anyone else have any any i mean i have some things but i think i want to hear public comment first before we okay we'll take public comment and i'm looking forward to seeing the vision road maybe i could ask a couple questions we might help okay if we could do maps as well and i and i when i first looked at this i looked at it and i said this doesn't quite make sense why would forcing the vision road construction on these guys to the other property that's going above it and then if i'm going to spend 2.7 million dollars is that really the best use of the money and if i was going to spend the 2.7 million would i really want to do that other improvement anyway um i think it's tremendous they want to put up their impact fees up front to go pay what their portion would be and i think it's going to be incumbent on us to take a look at our cip to go fix

that road one way or the other and i think it's a pretty good network you've got the development right above we approved earlier that if you took those impact fees together you could have plenty of money to go build the road but i don't know if we really need to go through that where that map shows that road going right now maybe a little bit to the south might save us a lot of money on the impact these are on the uh you mean not good not hit the wetland maybe maybe we can avoid the wetland and i think we should go study that before we actually make a decision but if we get we know we're going to get their impact fees up front to go make that improvement i think in a very short period of time we can make that decision whether we want to do the other improvement or just do the one shot and do it once and be done madam chair can i just respond since we talked about it i was going to wait on that but so we talked about you know and i had a conversation with um terry petos before this meeting for the record um and that was a discussion he had with me about possibly paying the impact fees upfront and things um you know as a county that's growing as as fast as pasco county is and you'll see during my presentation later this afternoon during miscellaneous business some issues we're having with traffic in certain areas that i don't know if we'll ever be able to fix because of the amount of for example just being honest amount of apartment complexes this one section for example um but if you know to put a burden additional burden on the county for example to put it within our cap where there's this road or another road and then we have to go through this whole process when will it even be built and that's the question you know i look at maybe like for an example and staff can comment on this i'll use maybe union park for example if i'm not correct there was vision roads that went through union park well they built that union park built that road if i'm not correct right well it's built and then while the development was going in okay so for an example okay and there's other one there's other ones as well um to constantly put things on the county's back that's not a job-creating site is not creating jobs in a benefit for the entire county i i have issues with that's me personally you know i have issues with us putting something in our cip that benefits only residential it's not a job creating site so to me for me personally i mean okay great pay the impact fees up front now it's on the county's back when is it going to happen well we have a list of projects and we always fight over them during mpo in a

cordial way of whose project should rank first where is that even going to sit on the list because we know well no this is more important now this is more important it could sit there 10 or 15 20 years if it's put in the cip we see things that taken out of cip when i came on the commission for example old pasco road was pulled off we had to put it back on now we know how big a need that is now but it should have been done 15 years down 15 years ago because you see what's happening now there's my question not my question that's that's my issue again okay pay it up front we'll put in our cip but i don't know when that's going to be done it could be 15 years down the road so so i also gosh i've been talking to a lot of people about this um over and over again had some thoughts because and if you listen to the planning commission um you know 108 108 houses building two vision roads that's unusual in the county um but also um you know it doesn't you could wait for the vision someone else to build the vision road but let me let me try and piece together an idea that i had with david and terry um and that is that we um well david had an idea about buying back dave do you want to explain your ideas about the impact fees and then terry were we able to find out the um arden preserve number so those are the two questions i have david you go first we can't hear you david yeah what's going on with these you got to hold it down okay to commissioner moore's point can you hear me now yeah this would still affect the cip but you could i think one of the applicants concerns would be that they'd have you know two plus million dollars worth of credits that they couldn't use on their own site so the concept i discussed with with commissioner starkey was that we give them a period of time to try to use their credits themselves or sell them privately but if they couldn't sell them privately for after a period of time that the county would then basically buy back any unused credits from them but it to commissioner moore's point would that potentially affect the cip yes it could because you'd be paying them cash for their credits so that cash would have to come from somewhere i have asked mr crumb he knows it needs to be what road projects would be affected by that payment um i don't know if he's got an answer yet or not but we have other roads in that we have ridge road we have tower road we have sunlight boulevard i don't know which of those this could affect and i would i would say to commissioner mariano's point do we really have to move that vision road up

that high and go through the wetland or can it just move up north to just to below the wetland without adding those costs and um and then i want to know the arden number and then i would say i wouldn't want because time is money uh i would want them to be able to go ahead and start development while waiting while working on that on the permit whoever's going for it to go through there and um and so so that they don't have to wait the two years to on their project but commissioner mariana so i just want to make sure the vision road being built on the clark property were you talking about the impact views from there that could be used to it so there are a number of projects in this area that will be paying mobility fees they won't be getting any credits arden is one the clark mpd is not really building anything that's creditable right um there could be other projects in this area that are so so that was my point so it's not if if clark doesn't come in and these guys don't come in and arden wasn't there you wouldn't you'd put the money in the cmp somewhere else but to me when you've got the need that's in this area that's going right there and you've got developments that are coming right there if you take that money and allocate it towards it i think it's the ultimate way to go rather than have the birding of one developer or the other developer do it if we just go take it and go look at it we now have the money to go use it we can go devise what we think is best and just go do it with the money that's coming in from other people so the development's paying its way through its impact fees and the impact that they have in their fixing and this is just kind of a complex one where you got one guy that you wanted to go build the vision road before he comes in but it's not even on that property and we've just approved the other one above it to say well there's no benefit he's getting because he's going to the north but we're going to use his property which is dedicating to us to go build that vision road so we've got the framework involved to make it happen it's just mechanically making it work and to me the fairest way is and i think these guys stepping up paying their money up front what might even help us to build the whole road if we avoid the wetland well the manager yeah so so the question would be and you talk about the other development there there is a whole david can speak on this i'd rather him speak on it you know they're going out causeway and causeways they're doing white stuff so that's not the impact um but again we when we have put vision roads in in lots

for a reason right there's a reason because we and as a county thinking towards the future and continue to think towards the future if we're always waiting and waiting for quote development to come we're going to be behind the eight ball every time so one of the things i heard of the planning commission because i did watch the planning commission meeting is like well why isn't this why isn't this road going to be done before the development happens that rarely happens well and you see what pickle we're in in pasco county right now don't we i mean but we don't we don't have the money ahead that's just not how development works right well i understand but um but we'll as we look towards what's going on now in certain areas of the county that can't handle that can't handle the traffic if we start don't start get doing these roads in advance we're never going to catch up you'll have you cannot you can never do the roads in advance rarely i'm going to say never because we did it on state road 56 because we borrowed money from the state and it worked out great and yeah developers worked with us to make that happen and i see the administrator they're shaking their head i i mean the the improvements follow the money they don't go the development action they don't go in front of the development action you just can't because it's impact fees and mobility fees that we use to pay for the improvements i've seen lots of master planned communities recently especially we talked about the 56 deal that we all worked on and i worked on very hard to make that happen and it worked and we looked at some of the master planning communities we have now where those roads are being built continually with that development going in it's not a bad thing it's a good thing anyways i don't want to keep going i'd rather hear i know we have to have public comment is this the um vision road map okay so what is that is that roadway something in red at the bottom is that the piece that they have to build going through and where does that connect and where does that connect to i mean it's really not a very good map actually there we go i mean i don't know the road planned network and this commissioner there you go no you went too far that way is commissioner fitzpatrick is there a way to have just a southern entrance into this community and why do they need to have a north and south vision road when it's cutting through the middle of 108 homes i find it very dangerous and it's a safety concern for

kids that live within that community so can i just address the north south road real quick so you do have to remember this project is going to need to have an internal collector road anyway to open up the project for development so i don't think probably the reason they're not complaining too much about the north-south vision road and it does look like it's supposed to eventually connect down the tower i can't see the entire map there but please keep in mind that they have to build a collector road in their project anyway so yes it's following the alignment of the vision network but i don't know that it's really an additional burden like this the east west vision road is that's off their site if you look at their map of their their proposed subdivision they they have they need they're incorporating the vision road into their subdivision network anyway so that drexel road goes right along um houses on the lake there and that's a vision what kind of vision road is that i don't know i i don't understand this road network again so why can we not connect from the south and go up there's no access down there that i think that's a vacant piece of property yes would that be less expensive to build going south to tower road instead of cutting through wisteria and trying to do [Music] no i think it would be absolutely more and i don't know that the county would have the right of way the reason they got the right away is because of the clark mp that you just approved but again there's no pd study that's been done no route study we have looked at trying to get around that wetland we actually looked at that route that wetland goes almost right to the right-of-way line it's it where the existing alignment is right now if you go back on one of our maps you can see how it kind of curves down that existing axis like i said is the access that they've been utilizing these properties for years and of course they've naturally you know migrated around that wetland to not impact it um which is a huge issue um how many homes are down along wisteria loop i'm not sure i know you know there's some large lot homes estate type residential homes along the lake as you come around that that you know eastern curve um i know there's some large lots in there um and then you've got the arden that's got 130 of course clark that you just approved that's got 410 and then us the little guy on the block which our max is like 108. i'd like to go to public comment just

one quick thing just shall we just mention something that makes a big difference so pretty much the road that's existing right now you're telling me it just butts the wetland anyway yes it skirts around the you can see that little class one the very tail of it it's it's and that's why they've done that i'm assuming over the years so we're gonna have to go through the wetland no matter what anyway it's gonna be a two-year project to go through the process you are gonna have to go through we looked at potentially moving it south because we were trying to figure out a way around it and it ended up still being 2.1 i think we got to go along the way that we're going to have to go through the wetland and it's going to be a two-year process okay and we're not sure if dep is going to even permit it because i understand there's some issues not only with their going on but some other issues in regards to the fact that it's going to connect to nothing it's basically the rose between two thorns the three million dollar roads between two thorns that um you know they don't they don't know if dp's going to support it but i mean that would all come with a route study and those kinds of things all right let me let me take public comment do we have people signed up to do we do um first person is chris naco welcome again dan's like you just showed up uh chris naco 7842 atlanta lakes boulevard i'm here as a private citizen and a resident of pasco county so mr naco i think you also have to say that you've been sworn i've been sworn yes i appreciate it thank you so uh thank you chair so a couple of things as i said i'm here as a private resident um the planning commission you know after several discussions several meetings came up to have the vision road and so i approve that i prove it for several reasons and and chair it's funny you can always have things that you're ready to say but as you speak there's things that i heard i'm like i want to hit upon so you said wait uh honestly that's something that needs to be done i know you keep hearing it so it's only 108 pro housing project there are people that live in that area that that 108 will affect because that's not just 108 cars people have numerous cars so you're talking about flow but let me go back to this this goes back to the angeline project so most of these projects that are being built that they talk about oh we're riding off a main road you are off a main road whether it's ballentre oakstead they're right on main roads and they just come right off for wilderness lakes you just come right off onto the main road this is now going on to roads that does everybody remember that calvary road that was shown calvary looks like a nice highway compared to wisteria and gardenia what we're talking about so this is actually part of the angeline project there are

only several places where the roads the train tracks will be crossing over this is one of them when you see the way it came off and one of them will show it where the red goes that was the vision road what's often not talked about is that blue road if they talk about just we're going to make improvements well those improvements mean that everybody from the angeline everybody from the moffat project is going to be coming down when they there's only several places are going to go they're going to be going they can use that now but they're not just going to go to 41 they're going to try to connect down to tower road so you for it's often oh they're going to 41 they're not they're cutting to tower road people who live in that area know where they're going in there that's why i said this is a micro pro it was only this no problem but this is a macro issue that i agree the fact that we need to look at the angeline project we didn't see how it connects and why wait the value of the house the land is going to go up we all know that as things are going if they would wait they would make more profit and you said time is money time is money profit will be made at some point hey you want to build houses let's build houses when the roads are in place where people aren't infected and i get it oh they have to catch up i know i got to hurry up no no people the people the audience cannot be making sounds thank you but my concern is if we don't do it right the people that live there are going to live in misery for a lot longer time than it is it would have waited if we just sent it right to the right i'm gonna ask the gallery once again please don't make any sense give give the applicant give the speaker his respect thank you so and i appreciate it so that's why i go back to if we're gonna do it let's have the vision run in place i'm not sure if it's the developer the applicant how we're going to do it in the long run but if we wait maybe there's more applicants that are bigger projects that are coming and they can all do it together but for people that are to live there for people who live in that community it's not just about going to 41 it's about going to tower road and we all know tower road has a big vision i've heard before people talk about making tower road this massive road we're going to have restaurants we're going to have bike bike rides you can ride your bike up and down it don't think for once that when people come off that road they're not going to go to tower road if it's going to be what people speak it's going to be so then i appreciate it i just think the we need the vision road there if we don't do division road it's just going to be a micro issue it's going to turn into a

macro problem and it's never going to be fixed thank you very much thank you the next applicant is reagan welcome again as well speaker oh i'm sorry not applicant public speaker told you you were going to need those towels [Music] i am also not here in my official capacity uh reagan 6504 wisteria loop lando lakes florida um i want to focus on the big picture as opposed to getting bogged down in all the details but before i do that i want you to please think about something that shelly johnson said she paints a picture of kb homes this developer as being like some poor little homeless puppy looking for a home and if kb homes doesn't get this project they're not going to go bankrupt tomorrow they're just going to find another piece of property and go develop it kb homes is a solid company and they have uh other opportunities so i wouldn't put them on your worry list let me focus on the big picture for a minute if you leave here and you go out to highway 52 and you hang a right turn and go down highway 41 as you're going down on highway 41 you'll see a new development i can't remember the name of that one but it was a lester dairy project when you turn into that project there's a parkway into that project if you keep going you see azbel creek you see tierra del sol and they all have gigantic parkways that go into those properties those are on the right on the west side of the road if you look on the left side of the road you have connerton which has a gigantic parkway going in into it which will be the future eastern extension of ridge road then if you go down again there's a publix that goes right there on the corner that goes into connerton and they have a parkway going into connerton there and uh north of trd south of tierra del sol you have lake shore ranch and it's a gated community with a parkway that goes into that and then you get to the dr horton project was isn't there yet but dr horton made a brilliant planning decision because they're going to bring all of their homes out on to i believe roach's run and some causeway boulevard which will vastly improve that area but as you move past dr horton then on the left you have the same thing you have wilderness lakes which is also a parkway into a big neighborhood now you go a little bit further south and you get into an old part of pasco county which was kind of part of the bexley ranch mr bexley's old homestead and you have lakefront commute communities with little lake thomas uh gardenia big lake thomas and lots of little lakes in there with these spider web roads that are going around them and so next comes another development okay and unlike the developments i described to you kb homes comes in and drop jumps across these lakes

and these homes that have two acre three acre four acre i have six acres on the lake and they're going to build this road past our neighborhood and it's interesting that that shelly said when they were asked about that vision road she said i don't know where it was going i i think it was supposed to go out to tower well yeah maybe it was supposed to go out to tower and there's a reason that it was supposed to go out to tower and it was because they were going to take the traffic and the trips generated from that neighborhood out to tower road which is going to be a major thoroughfare in this county i think someday and so all that we're asking is we're not opposed to the development but between 52 and 54 you got limited opportunities to cross those railroad tracks and right now we have a problem in this county going east and west so we have 54 we got 52 and ridge road fingers crossed we'll pretty soon be at 41. but then you've got an opportunity to get across the railroad tracks at wisteria an opportunity to get across at tower and then of course you have lake patients who that goes across which is not a very good road and then i think there's a crossing down by the new substation that went in atlanto lakes my issue from a big picture standpoint is all three of those roads will be crowded as heck if you had five minutes if you don't take those intermediate routes let me check on that into consideration mr oakley okay yes so he shafted you before he handed to the capitol and and so if you if you have a focus on those intermediate roads that cross those railroad tracks then you're going to create opportunities for people to travel on those roads and potentially take some of the road off some of the traffic off 52 54 and ridge road by making those good solid thoroughfare roads that people can travel and so i am encouraging you to consider somehow getting this vision road built over to 41 and even then it's not a godsend because i want to remember i want you to remember that it's not just angeline it's south bexley it's north bexley it is everything west of the railroad tracks that's going to come over to 41 and on wisteria you're going to have a right turn only onto 41 and then you're going to jam up tower road thank you thank you is there anyone else that wanted to speak yes we have another person signed up jeremy couch is there anyone after jeremy uh i say hand back come on up sit up closer and then you can go after good afternoon commissioners thank you i have five minutes also and i have oh my god jeremy couch 66-24 wisteria loop um you're not getting my christmas

[Laughter] and i'll i'll try to keep it concise mr gatt is a very good orator he didn't even tell me about that [Laughter] this is a really cool little area of lando lakes um i've moved my business to this area i've made my homestead on this area i've invested a lot of money on this street this board would like to see more high-end housing in this area this is a street where you have that i understand the complex decision that the board has to make but if you look at your vision road it's the right vision system drexel which is a main road will come north through the renter property and hit bud bexley road which will be the vision road that goes east and hits 41. you also have south wisteria which nobody's talked about that's the way i go to work um and go go to and from my property which is also supposed to be a vision road you have lake patience which is a vision road all of these roads will take the burden off of 54 and 52. if i i understand that it's a tough decision but this builder is speculating they have taken and they've went right in the middle of a little country road and they want to build a home their homes their compatibility argument is well we're risk three we have to cross my five eight my three acres um mr um nacos in the area mr gad's six acres the house on the corner is 16 acres the house right next door is five acres you're crossing all of these to get to 5000 square foot lots you're not on a collector so the way you have to do it is make yourself on a collector which is build the vision road and i know that's a big expense but that's part of being a developer as you spend the money i'm in support if they build the road if they do a substandard improvement there's not going to be any sidewalk there's not going to be any trail it's just going to be a little widening down our street and then we'll have some recession and then some future kickstart bexley will come in and say well we're going to get it started again but we just need to use wisteria and the vision road never gets built and then you have these high-end homes on the lake and we have to deal with it you know what we're going to do we're going to move to keystone where they're going to protect us and so i i'm in support of the project and i know it's a hard decision they just need to build the vision road and be done with it thank you thank you is there anyone else that wanted to speak to this oh yeah one more if there's anyone else please stand up behind this because i'm going to close

public comment after him if no one stands up thank you darrell renner 19750 bexley road i have been sworn and i happen to be the landowner um you know i won't disagree with mr gad's oratory skills he's very good at that but every project that he described with these major roadways into them are huge huge huge projects you know chris described the macro and the micro issues of this project but this doesn't really even come to a micro issue it's almost like a mini micro just like your iphones that have gotten so small to plug in and i understand the need for the vision roads which is one of the reasons that prompted me to even sell my property the main vision road coming out of bexley is a major road that's going to take a huge chunk of my property as they widen that and put it through there the north south vision road that you saw on the map there bisects my property right down the middle of that piece of property when i first saw this and entered into the relationship with kb there was another road that came off of that north-south road and dissected behind directly behind my home and went out into the bexley ranch and and so i said well you know what this is why i moved here i respect the fact that people want pieces of property and i wanted a piece of property and i want to be able to you know do some of the things with a larger piece of property that if all these vision roads come through i won't be able to do now i mean my property will be dissected and i won't have what i originally bought so my encouragement to you is to and again as they said it's a tough job but the planters originally planned that road to come out and and improve that road to come out onto wisteria and somehow we've gotten sidetracked into a ton of different options as to how we can make that work so again i know you have a hard decision but again the reason for my decision is is because my 50 acres that i bought over 20 years ago is not going to be in the future for me what i had intended it to be so thank you thank you okay so it's it's back to a us from the applicant you want to say anything yes and listen to the comments i just i want to reiterate because i do think it's so important that the existing alignment we can bring it up to standard which is what your code requires us to do and that is what staff has said we can do that was their original recommendation that's what we said we can do that's what all the other developments do um you know this movement of this vision road north to

another property is an is an off-site road improvement project for this particular development we're not loading anything on that load the substance on that road the substandard road specifically says if you read your code it specifically says it's to address subs to address impacts on substandard roads as a result of new development the substandard road involved is the existing alignment this 108 units is going to bring that up to standard which we are required to do and we're going to even do beyond that we're going to do the intersection improvement and we're also going to put the impact fees out there prepay so that when another development not the county even comes along bexley there's going to be amendments there's going to be development pressure coming there's going to be other developments that are going to trigger it and there's going to be money there for it so route study and stuff can be done because it's going to be a big problem where it's been moved to and i don't know if that was something that was considered when it was moved but um we can bring it up to standard that's what the code requires us to do we are trying our hardest to meet everybody halfway um which is why we said we'll do the intersection improvement and and that's additional not take impact fee credits and then on top of that the prepayment of the fees but for i understand they're saying this isn't the little guy the developments that were described to you by the um you know by mr gad are large developments this is not a large development and it doesn't exist in a vacuum i mean it is what it is it's a small development and it's being it is being punished for it it's being singled out and treated differently there's i don't know a house you can what other way you can call it on this one all right um terry did you get the number from the arden mpud we're working on that uh i'm almost there with the fiscal team okay um so they had to improve wisteria from their western corner there to 41 is that correct yes all right did it get a trail or anything like that on it no to my understanding there's not a child there's a sidewalk on it okay um man this is toughy madam chair yeah so well okay let me let me say something because i i just want to say i i heard all of you all and i do believe that this road is an important road to the county um as the sheriff as mr naco uh said it it is the

it is one of the entrances to angeline which is a really important development that's coming bestly and and to angeline to the county lots of jobs and um and i i'm in i am my believer of a road network and i've been looking here on the map and looking at that north-south road going through renter ice and there's a some property that surrounds renner on the south and the west it's owned by lsb corporation whoever that is but i assume that that vision road will uh go through that property and be straightened out a little bit it's unwinding around yeah can i make a quick clarification regarding um the vision road network itself if we could bring up the vision roadmap just to be sure about the geographies that we're talking about here the if we zoom out just a little bit um a little bit more that should be good see if i can use the planer here so oh to the right okay so where are we at here this is the general location of where we're talking about today when we when we hear the the project name angeline that project is all the way further north it's north of ridge road here no yes the moffat project is south of ridgewood moffitt is about right here right there oh how's that south actually is the residential area that's going to be more yeah okay and then they'll also have sun lake there we are i just missed it then also sun lake will connect from north to south correct this line that you see here this is the sun okay so that's an important northwest north-south road then our east west roads here's the here's the subject area that we're talking about and this line here that's coming down is the bexley mysterio loop collector road network that that's been discussed so really the there's a the bexley north area okay there you might have some project or some traffic that will go to 41 but i believe most of the baxter north traffic has been already captured and being sent southward yeah so just to clarify in the geographies and how that traffic that is on the west side of the train tracks will be affecting and traveling toward us 41. i'm sure since terry's here yeah go ahead terry so show every let's go to the vision road in question please with your little pointer yeah you don't want to get in there pretty good nice and tight

your pointer on it like surround the area i'm talking about right here okay there it is yeah what's that so what you and i spoke about earlier what you mentioned as well is that your proposal or their proposal i don't know whose proposal was okay the the applicant's proposal was to pay once again their um impact fees up front yes that's what the applicant is proposing right and what's that amount guesstimated and then the estimated cost of the vision road is what i think some of the projections that i saw were just about three million or a little bit more than three million okay so three million so again i'll just go back to the statement i made earlier again we great we collect money up front but where's the other 2 million going to come from again we put something in the cip we're going to collect for it where's the rest of the funding going to come from so that's why it's it'll sit and we know it'll sit for a long time and it won't get done has anything come in on this ls i don't say lsd lsb corporation yet have we seen any activity on the parcel to the left and would they have a responsibility to help put in that vision road commission we haven't we haven't seen them i'm sorry you can't i'd like to know what you're saying but you can't do that we haven't quite seen anything on the neighboring properties no i i wanted to go back to commissioner moore's statement i mean you know the current priorities in that central area are ridge road extension moffitt work and some of the sun-like stuff i mean we wouldn't be able to even entertain the additional two to three million until post-2025 to even look at it right right so there lies a concern like it does in other developments and we don't know when the road's going to be done i just don't see how that's an option no somebody if i you know i know that you don't want to build it but so how much how much uh was left in the arden development our fiscal team is looking at that right now it's a pretty big file that they're trying to dig into right now so it's taking a little bit of time for them to bring up all the data and information so what i'm looking for is arden you know develop generated so much in impact fees and then they paid for their portion of the road

improvement so i'm looking for the delta that was done on that road and seeing if it can be added to the cost of this road man of chair just keep in mind that through construction of ridge road phase two all mobility fees in the central zone effectively are going to ridge road phase two that's how we're paying for ridge road phase two and so um if we get the 15 million okay what from the legend 14 that would help but we won't know about that for several months well until june or july right june i don't know when it is a budget until his he got to wait till he signs the budget correct commissioner starkey commissioner fitzpatrick thank you okay so i'm sitting here looking along with stereo loop and where the i don't remember the name of the neighborhood eden aden up north arden what if if you're going down with cereal loop and you go and have a the road split where syria is and go along the wetlands around the wetlands and then connect with cereal loop to the other side and then you can put trees in between that and wisteria loop and keep the property separate and the higher end homes can still have their privacy and it won't affect all the traffic won't affect them and they're still on the same person's property you're just moving instead of going over wetlands you're going around but then you're putting trees in between to keep this separation and division and i don't know how to show it to everybody so if you want to pull up the map i just i'm on pasco pa or can you pull up wisteria well the vision road is on there with the wetland right you know right there okay so right here is there a pointer or something i can is that one would you like me to explain it to you and then you can show it commissioner are you referring to this area so yes if you just split right at that north end around and follow the wetlands all the way around and then connect at the south end and then you can put trees right on the north like that east right through there and then still they still have their privacy and you don't have to go over the wetlands you're still going around but it's still giving that buffer yeah the same exact thing you're donating that land to the county then everyone will be happy i mean i don't know if i am prepared to talk about the alignment of a vision road at this stage um to say whether that is an appropriate alignment or not if it's going to cost 2.1 million and then you have to go through and have wetland mitigations instead of just going right around along the edge of the

wetlands move the whole road you can't even throw a wall in there if you want i guess i agree let's move the whole road north onto that property man i'm sure yeah so not bad ideas right um thank you we're not going to obviously be able to figure that out right now between so can we have staff so i'll make a motion to continue and bring this back and after you look at that second manager can i make one comment yes the condition does not set an alignment to be clear what it says is that they'd have to build the vision road through the clark mpud and all the land you're talking about appears to be within the clark mpd so correct the alignment as mr pito said would be established later so there there's a way to build it the way commissioner fitzpatrick stated that's still allowed by the existing condition the question is who who has to pay for the whole thing and so that's why i'm trying to find a little help from the arden and lord is not going to pay they already no no they i'm just saying just take the leftover that's kind of weird say to that commissioner turkey just keep in mind that when arden paid their mobility fees it probably went into the general pot for this zone which goes to roads like ridge road sunlight boulevard moffett spine road how much are we talking 400 000 300 000 i don't know i'm just letting you know that anytime you take money out of the cip it affects i know that i know you pushed for tower road to get built and that's potentially another road that's affected by i just i just don't see how you put a three million dollar road on 108 unit development i just commissioner starkey can you have the applicant come back up please all right can you come back up i know you were mentioning cost constraints and budget now if we're not going directly over wetlands you won't have to do wetland mitigation so would it be more a fish cost efficient and do you know about an estimate of how much the cost would be to go around we do um because we did look at that to move it south the cost estimate we were looking at was about 2.1 million the existing alignment to improve it improve the intersection is 1.3 million so we still have a gap because we're still at 2.1 million um in cost compared to 1.2 um compared to 1.3 right which is what we actually can bring the existing alignment up to standard and of course with county codes and traffic regs as well as that intersection improvement that full improvement is 1.3 so 800 000. that difference is creditable though so the difference between the 1.3 and the 2.1 would be creditable so they should be able to absorb

you know 700 000 worth of credits within their own project yes and we we have said that if for some reason you don't sell them back within five years we'll buy those credits i mean that's something we said we could it's only a 700 000 gap they can use all that in their own project the applicant said they can they have about 900 000 worth of fees you guys want to get this done today okay well i want to agree to that one or mike my understanding is and i could be wrong um is that and because i think that's a you know an idea that we can't get around that wetland on that south end my understanding is that thing goes all the way to the right of way and we're going to be impacting it no matter what so then unless we go with the existing alignment which goes completely south of it yeah we're just going to round and round and circle exactly we're playing with rubi's cube right now we're trying to get all the colors to align um it's not going to happen today i have i'll make one i'll make two motions you guys choose i'll make emotions deny right now or i can make a motion to continue if you guys want to try to work through this i want to i would like to continue it motion to continue second you can't you can't second your own motion i'll make a motion to continue to see if you can somehow figure this vision road out yeah and i'll second that so are you continuing it to a date certainly yeah we'll leave it up to the staff and applicant and see when they think they can bring this back okay one of you you think you can bring it back for the january 25th meeting yeah i think we definitely can okay all right all in favor aye aye aye okay that was a punt we weren't gonna get that done here today [Laughter] all right no more punting [Laughter] it's hard to take care okay what are we on okay now another fun one 125 right yes okay all right do we need a five minute break all right five minute break i'm just saying i just need your pub that's all [Music]

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okay we're gonna pull 127 up front right now um so that they can go um nice little turn turn around on this one so go ahead ainsley am i am is my mic working i'm going to go ahead and do publication sorry i'm going to do publication yes okay item p125 was published in the tampa times on july 21 2021 and august 4th 2021. uh this is the pivas it is a caller public works uh this is a pvas number um 3447 mcdonald avenue this project was presented as the bcc september 28 uh 2021 the bcc continued the public hearing to give the property owner a chance um to repair a section of mcdonald's and of course mcdonald is a privately maintained road staff has confirmed that the work has been done this is a photograph of the um long long patch that was done um bcc need to direct us to discontinue or proceed and your recommendation is to discontinue that yes well done so made a motion on that so move did you do the public comment first madam chair i just wanted i am i stated the wrong um date i i did the dates for p125 not p127 so p127 was published in the tampa bay times on august 25th 2021 thank you for letting me get that on the record sorry is there any public comment on this okay okay all right we really can't take comment from there but thank you yeah so madam chair i'd like to say the uh the gentleman did the patching here i think we should actually put him under contract uh he did a phenomenal job um so i'm i'm very happy to continue i know there's a motion second already but yeah sorry i'm happy to discontinue and move on and madam chair for the record yes we did have one individual signed up she spoke from the crowd so we couldn't hear her her name is shirley's skull i believe and um okay and um she doesn't no longer needs to spot speak on this matter that's great now cheers one quick comment again this is a you know if remember we listened to that you know they said this is an option this we could possibly move forward with this they actually did it yeah so i'm glad we i'm glad we waited i'm glad we listened so thank you yep all right so all in favor aye just continuing this aye aye thank you ainsley okay we are on 125 is that right i did i went a little early sorry commission mariana item um p125 was published in the tampa times on july 2021 i'm sorry on july 21 2021 and august 4th 2020. thank you liam devine planning and development um p12125 pdd22-7552 in the name of sr 40 llc slash riverside village unit 5 it is a

zoning amendment from r2 low density district to mf1 multifamily medium density district after the agenda was published several ex parte communications were received and sent to the clerk's office the subject site was is located on the south side of alvernon drive and east and west of patrician drive access to access to the site is from alvernon drive and patrician drive which are county maintained roadways the surrounding future land use to the north south and west is res 9 and to the east is res 3. the surrounding zoning to the north is r2 to the east is r3 to the south is pud and to the west is r1 i'm taking a look at the surrounding area the star in the middle of the map is the subject site to the north is the riverside village unit 2 which is currently zoned r2 to the south of the subject site is the river chase unit 2 which is zoned pud which was approved in 2009 it was approved for either single family detached or multi-family dwellings it was the either-or situation it was eventually then developed as single-family south of that is the seven springs villas condos which are multi-family condos and then to the southwest of the subject site is the villa del rio unit 3 and 4 which are single family attached villas the subject site is undeveloped on approximately 12.03 acres the applicant proposes to develop 55 town homes in conformance with the mf1 multi-family medium density district standards for development the surrounding area is characterized by residential development consisting of single-family detached and attached dwellings the future land use for the site is res9 the subject site was previously zoned mf1 from 1984 until 2002 when it was rezoned to r2 the applicant has some voluntarily submitted deed restrictions limiting the maximum number of dwelling units to 55 limit the types of dwelling units to townhomes villas and duplexes street trees and front yard trees requirements limit the amount of driveway and curb cuts and develop in conform in compliance with the unit 5 erp operation and maintenance of the storm water management facility south of alvernon drive and allow riverside village unit 4 to discharge stormwater into the alvernon ditch the second deed restriction would restore the swale known as kk and restore the two outfall shelters in riverside unit four behind the lots of 69 and 70 and 39 and this is coming with a recommendation for approval okay we'll take the applicant now the applicant's representative now good afternoon going on evening barbara wilhite 6327 graham boulevard newport richie florida

for the applicant i have my client chris here here as well as well as steve henry from links and associates the purpose of our application is to allow attached product town homes or duplexes under the mf1 zoning district no apartments um so we're just trying to change the product the max density is for 55 units which is the same max density as the current zoning district there is i i would note that there's 47 homes on the southern boundary of this property so 57 40 55 47 are very compatible numbers clear precedent your staff report is very thorough clear precedent for mf1 this property was zoned mf1 before the property to the south was zoned mf1 before the property of the south is currently zoned pud which would allow either single family or townhome mf1 townhomes they chose to do the single family 47 units with that i'm going to bring up chris scheer who has a presentation wants to go through we heard at planning commission drainage and traffic so i'm going to go quickly through the zoning and planning because your staff did a great job in their staff report i don't think there's any zoning and planning issues but we do want to talk drainage and traffic and if i presented something to receive and file for the clerk it's a letter from the engineer about the drainage situation as well as some concept plans so if we could receive and file that receive a file second all in favor aye madam chairman yep barbara i don't know if you listened this morning they had public comment about which you might want to have your traffic engineer address about the whether or not the traffic study that was introduced took into consideration the 55 townhomes and the cueing of the two turns onto little at some point in your presentation not now but i wanted to remember to say that thank you no i wasn't able to watch but thank you yeah good afternoon my name is chris here i live at 235 third avenue north in st petersburg and i have been sworn in at our planning commission meetings concerns were expressed about stormwater problem uh traffic impacts the lack of sidewalks in the subdivision the planning commission also requested i prepare a preliminary site plan which i did and i will be sharing it with you today i don't know how to go to back to the beginning i can't seem to be going can you put it to the beginning i don't know how i lost that okay that's great so um i wanted to go over storm water with

management with you first and discuss with you the causes of street flooding and flooding on my property in 2015 i hired a professional engineer to investigate the causes of flooding on alvernon drive as well as my property that stormwater report was prepared in october of 2015 and on october of 18 of 21 mr gonzalez issued an updated inspection report confirming that the two of of the two causes of flooding identified still exist today i've provided you with a copy of that letter from the engineer both the flooding flood study and the letter confirming his findings have been submitted to staff and mr gonzalez is here to answer any questions should you have any after my presentation uh this is an how do you make a little light come on this is the riverside village unit 4 subdivision this is my piece of property here and this is river chase 2. again i've blown up riverside village unit four the uh because the first cause of flooding on my property and alvin on drive is the complete failure of riverside village unit four and its drainage system and that would be this system right here along here my property's here this property is all supposed to drain into a ditch and the ditch is supposed to take the prop of the water out here to the main ditch for the whole subdivision and take it down the ankle river but their system has failed the failures appear here this is a this line here represents a ditch called ditch kkk which was part of the ditch that was this ditch was built as part of the original permits that ditch no longer exists because that ditch no longer exists the water from these ponds come streaking across the wetland here they fill up alvinon drive and they flood my property the second failure of the system is this outfall structure here this is outfall structure number three it's supposed to drain this pond but this pond and this this structure does not work at all it's completely failed and instead of the water going under the street into the ditch and out through the subdivision it instead fills up and goes backwards into this wetland and then it comes out on almeron and floods my property and alvin on as well the third failure is this uh alpha structure number two alpha structure number two does not function as it was designed and the water does not come underneath the street and into the drainage ditch it's supposed to it just uh fills up in that pond and sheet flows across the street when it

rains too hard for too many days and the street is actually supposed to drain into that pond but it can't get there the the street water so those are the three sources of uh of failure i've got pictures of it i think i have pictures of them okay this area right here oh boy i'm sorry it's not my machine stop [Laughter] no you're going the wrong direction i'm sorry okay that is drainage structure number three that the ditch no longer exists i had pictures that show the ditch don't exist but since you can't see it really doesn't matter the ditch does not exist you want them to go back what's that if you would like to see that picture okay i don't know which one's back that is the picture there should be a ditch here called kk do you want her to control it sure you're controlling there should be a ditch here called kk and it's no longer there uh that ditch is because it's no longer there the water sheet flows off the back of those houses goes through the wetland and floods alvin on drive in my property and then we could go to the next one that is outfall structure number three there's mr gonzalez up there with his three fingers in the air go to the next one that is the outfall structure obviously that outfall structure is not working if it was working you'd be able to see the drain pipes and it appears to me in this little area right here that it has collapsed but we'd have to get in there and look at it but obviously it's not working and because it's not working this pond stays full all the time and it's not supposed to be that full if you want to go to the next one this is actually a retaining wall that the homeowner behind me when i took that picture has built on his property because the water's so high all the time he's losing his backyard so uh but you don't have to take my word for or my engineers work for it if you go to the next one uh this was um outfall structure number two alpha structure number two is failing in this area right here and if we go to the next picture this is outfall structure number two again as you can see in one area it is wet and one area is dry which means one of these pipes is not functioning but go to the next one and this is outfall structure number one which you can look at it and see it's just it's really not even there anymore so the entire system has failed all alpha structures in riverside village estates have failed their ditches are non-existent but like i said you don't take my word for it i think the next one this is a compliance letter that was recently written from swift mud to the homeowners association letting

them know that all three outfall structures are have failed and that the swale is not there and they need to repair it and he wants it repaired now because it's causing street flooding it's flooding my property it's causing all kinds of problems out there so anyway my solution to this problem will be i along with this approval hopefully that i get i will rebuild the kit ditch kk and i'll incur the cost i'll rebuild the structures two and three and clean out the drainage pipes under the road for connection to alvin the alvernon ditch i have along with this application i have submitted a deed restriction which will require me to make those repairs as long as the homeowners association gives me access i'll make the repairs because i want to get the water out of there that i want everybody to know that i don't have to make these repairs for my permits to work my permits will stand on their own my drainage system will stand on my on its own but i want to make the repairs because i want to get the water off the street doesn't look good and the time to do it is when i'm out there building a new subdivision everybody's already mobilized it's a good time to build it and to fix their system and build my system at the same time so i've i think i've given you a copy of the uh deed restriction requires me to fix it so okay you can go to the next one and then the next one okay um the second cause of flooding in my property is the flawed design and construction of river chase this is river chase on my southern border that property is the lineal footage of the shared property is 2 300 feet the back 50 feet of every home site along that uh 2000 feet is draining directly toward my property and one half of the rooftops all drain on my property this water floods this water co-mingles with the flooding that's occurring from the failed system up here and all the water is accumulating in here and then it rushes out onto the alvernon drive and the other flaw is the drainage pipe under patrician road here was never sized it was never sized big enough to handle the drainage that's coming off the back of these homes in river chase which are flooding my property and flooding alvin on drive here and then it hits this backyard all all the home sites back here are coming to me they're all flooding me

there's no attenuation there's no drainage pipes there's no drainage ponds i don't know how it uh got approved next one this is a uh gutter on the back of the house and the roofs all connect to gutters back here and they all come down to my property and this is how they this is how they're flooding me if you go to the next one this is another typical home at riverchase you can see right here the property all come i'm standing them on property line right here and this is a pool deck and the pool deck drains onto my property and all these homes they got their gutters out here and then that all drains down here you can see it's cutting a little creek into the back of my it comes to my property there's another typical house river chase you can see pool decks draining out here over here and then all the water sheet flows to me so i'm being flooded from two directions the solution i would like to propose is that if we go to the next one as part of the permit that i already have with swift pasco county i will construct a 2030 foot long drainage ditch along the back side of river chase on my property be 35 foot wide and it'll take all the water that's currently sheet flowing to me and flooding out in our drive i'll put a pipe underneath patrician and it'll come out here to the main drain and go back to the river where it belongs this this disc will remove the river chase water from my property the area in general and help prevent street flooding come on another one please next one sorry okay uh i wanted to hit the site preliminary site plan this is sheet 104 uh my property starts at the corner here this is patricia drive it goes all the way down to elementary drive there's only uh this is only half the property because the property's uh 2190 linear feet long uh it's a quarter it's one it's 42 of a mile uh and it's a dead end on the street so it's very low traffic i've incorporated a uh internal driveway to limit the number of curb cuts on how we're on drive that not only will limit the curb cuts but also limit the number of drainage pipes that need to be placed in the ditch the property is 200 feet deep the front setback to the building to the buildings would be 84 and 80 80 to 84 feet the rear yard setbacks to river chase will be 91 to 86 and the green space buffer between uh alberto drive and the internal drive is

35 feet the distance between my buildings is 20 feet between them they don't have that down at river chase the green space islands between the driveways which i know is a uh something that to you all been thinking about a lot mine are 20 feet wide and 12 feet wide so there'll be nice green spaces between them if we could go down a couple more this is the overall plan i wish i could get the the overall plan oh there it is my property starts right here i'm building units all the way down to the end of the hour and on drive i've got tennis courts and flex quartz and a um clubhouse designed for the area there you go that looks good and there's the clubhouse the next one and that would be the blake orchards and stuff like that could we go back two more places okay so anyway there he is that's like 85 85 that's 90 feet that's 80 feet that's 84 feet there's tons of space the reason i want to do townhomes is that i want to have a lot of space out here i don't want to be built like this with homes jammed together and everybody has a little driveway coming out on the street i want it to be a first-class development anyway my development will add benefits to the area the entire project will be maintained by homeowners association all the grass all the buildings all the paint all the retention ponds and the straightedge stitch along the back side as well as the drainage stitch on the front side so we're going to completely do those ditches and then also we're i'm adding 2100 lineal foot of sidewalk to the area which will connect to river chase so uh in summary i've identified the storm water problems and i have presented you with solutions i have developed a concept plan which demonstrates compatibility with my neighbors and provides many benefits to the area the repairs to riverside village unit 4 and the new 2000 foot linea ditch along river chase will be very costly i'm requesting the change to townhomes to help cover these additional costs if my neighbors are sincerely worried about storm water system out here they should support my plan and this rezoning because i want to fix the system and that would be i i i went too fast i'm sorry but i was asked to be brief so thank you very much uh does anyone have any questions for chris okay barbara i'm sure just one quick question this and then for the record the the applicant didn't meet with me prior to

this meeting um you say suitable trees to remain so you're considering that's your buffer from to the homes to the rear the trees that are shown yes i consider the 90 foot of property between my property and the uh the southern property line to be the buffer i i proposed a little 25 foot strip i don't know how to make that rear yeah come on rear i do want to i'm going to save as many trees as i can between the ditch and the homes but a lot of the trees have been flooded and they're dying and a lot of them aren't just big giant pine trees so as many as i can say about well yeah and i see other landscaping in the front because commissioner or chairman stark is going to ask you that in a second yes what are those exactly they look like so our deed restriction which is the count now the county standard deed restriction for townhomes prohibits queen palms and crepe myrtles so you can't have those as your lot trees but does allow a variety of different trees as your staff would approve right as long as it's not an understory tree but a tree like i mean a custom tree doesn't count but that's further down the road right so with that what i'm going to do is i do have steve henry but i think the more efficient use of time is to listen to the public comment so that he can specifically address that and answer your questions one time instead of come up here twice so i'm trying to expedite this a little bit so thank you yep i do have a um i do have individuals signed up to speak to this matter we have seven signed up for p125 all right oh thank you i'm trying to pull up the item like that all right who's um signed up to speak first okay um handwriting is a little difficult but i'm going to say corey marcus when you come up to the podium if you could um state your name and address and that you've been sworn good afternoon commissioners my name is marcus co i live in 9304 nile drive i was sworn in um i come before you this is the fourth time i've had to come to one of these meetings to try to stop this uh i've explained i don't know how many have seen the other meetings that they had for it i retired from the us army after 18 years of service and every time i go to public talk my voice goes out after 18 years i bought a house on nile drive it took me six months of living with my father and if anybody ever met my father it was worse than more um so i searched for the first perfect house i grew up here i went to ankloid elementary i went to golf middle and went to golf high school when i retired

the only thing i could look forward to was coming back to my neighborhood coming back to pasco county so when i retired i looked i found the perfect house for me a half an acre lot in an area that is not highly trafficked when i'm when we moved here from pennsylvania when i was five years old we moved to colonial hills and if anybody knows what colonial hills look like in the 80s versus what it looks like now we had a beautiful neighborhood it's got a ways to come back it's working on it but it still has a ways to go i found a neighborhood that reminded me of where i came from in pennsylvania so i bought my house in the understanding that these small houses these large lots is the way it was going to maintain and then four years later they want to put townhomes on it well if you live in an area where you have a dog you walk it you don't have sidewalks and you're gonna add 110 vehicles every house is approximately two cars per house you have dangerous areas there's a lot of neighbors that we had out here the first time that now that we're at the fourth meeting they could not be here i am afforded the opportunity so i'm speaking with them for them because of their work schedule you know when you go to work you can't always make a 1 30 appointment especially if we're on number four so hopefully i can do them justice as commissioners i ask you to listen to the people you said that everybody in the county gets to vote for you well we're speaking is a small portion of that county that voted for each and every single one of you then when we ask you not to build this here if you if mr shearer wants to build the 19 properties 19 homes that he had said in his previous we're all for it keep it the same structure that it was don't have it that you're looking out your back door and you're looking up at somebody that's looking down on you when you're in your pool you know the person who built that and i believe by my research was mr shearer's company that built the uh the villages to the left that are to the south that failed so what's going to stop that from failing in the future you can put anything you want in writing but when it comes down to a deed restriction or a civic association i've seen them fail and they go out of business and nothing gets done anymore so as you take a look at this neighborhood take a look at yourself and ask if you want to look out of your back door and look up to see your neighbors even if it is 90 foot away thank you for the time thank you next person signed up is michael van dyver good afternoon i'm michael van dyver i live at 9517 alvernon drive i have been sworn in i have lived there at the entrance of river chase on patrician if you look at

the map there my house is right there at that where the alvernon drive is i've lived there for 21 years i have seen what's happening out there the flooding issue mr shearer i understand has had an engineer but i'm also a civil engineer by education so i have a little bit of history here plus i've lived there for 21 years and i have seen the reason that this area floods part of it is probably the outfalls and the drainage system system with the lakes the biggest problem is is that the main ditch exits into the anclote river the ancloak river rises floods the ditch backs up and it has nothing to do with the water coming from the ponds it's the tides stopping the water from exiting the anclote river i've seen it year after year after year they clean the ditch out but they don't clean it out often enough so that's part of the problem the other is i have been a developer i understand he wants to maximize the return on his property however this is a single-family neighborhood we need to keep it a single-family neighborhood i don't think anyone is going to squawk about him building his 19 houses if that's what he wants to do but we certainly don't need a multi-family um multi-family project on this road also i sat out the other day and counted cars coming out of river chase turning left onto alvernon drive in one hour there was 75 to 100 cars that came out if you add another 55 units you're going to increase that at least 200 cars per day because everybody's going to make two trips i got two cars the traffic on that road is already dangerous it's a very straight road big house and the kids the children that play on that road probably shouldn't be playing on the road but it is a family neighborhood so i would ask this commission to if you want to approve the 19 homes please do that give him all the opportunity he can but please don't increase the danger to our children and the flooding and traffic on that road madam chair yeah can i just ask mike a question as a civil engineer and yes sir also a golfer and by the way jan stevenson she was going to talk as well if it's okay all right so it's seven springs golf and country club yes when you get to the back side of the holes the northern part there's a river that runs there and sometimes that the river gets real that's the anclote river so that river there when that backs right up that that's what you think is causing the flow to go back up as well it is as a matter of fact during uh hurricane sandy if you remember that i went over to seven springs and the 15th green was under water by about six feet you couldn't see the flag it was the flooding of the anclote river

so it had nothing to do with water coming from our subdivision the river backs up it flooded the entire golf course are you speaking of the big storm where we where the ankle really uh jumped its banks yes it wasn't it wasn't a hurricane it was a it was tropical it was uh that was a 500-year flood event now right and and anytime you have a major uh a major flood event whether it's a 5 10 25 50 or 100 year flood event that river backs up when the tide comes up because you can see it when the tide goes down the water exits and alvernon drive is not flooded any longer when the tide backs up the river backs up the water can't exit the ditch and alvernon drive floods i live on that road seen it for 21 years so i understand there's not a whole lot we can do because mother nature is not going to let us keep the gulf of mexico down did any water get any in anyone's house uh no we did not we have never been flooded my neither turned my house into an island but the water has not come into my home and that's the nature of development here is that the roads add storage in a unusual rain event right that is correct okay and if you add another 55 residences you're going to put more rooftops less percolation more flooding adding to the problem thank you next next person signed up is miriam butler and whoever's speaking next if you could go ahead and line up we still have another hearing after this one hi good afternoon my name is miriam butler i live at 4347 genesee lane in riverside village estates unit 4. i i've spoken at o m sworn i have spoken at the planning commission meetings representing members of my community who oppose the rezoning we from single-family to multi-family we cited inconsistencies with our our community of large home sites the increased traffic which has already been mentioned that that the 55 residences would bring in the drainage issues that are already problematic as you've heard we brought a petition of over 600 names signatures from the surrounding area to the planning commission we at the last meeting we had concerns that mr shearer's plans were not even made available ahead of the meeting so that anyone could study them including the planning commissioners and yet it was approved for the record i would like to note that the planning commission was rather dismissive of the public at many times i can cite examples but i won't right now at times even mocking and it seemed that our experience taught us that the the

developers could find a much more generous reception there than the public the private citizens but before i go on um mr shearer has told us me the planning commission at that last meeting and several of our residents that he intends to do everything he said to do and i'm happy to see that those those issues would be delineated in the deed restrictions because our community is very concerned about preserving the drainage that we require in order to maintain our pond system now i'm a lo our pawn system didn't look too good in the things that he showed you but i want to assure you we have been in touch with swift mud for years john pawanda who wrote that letter to us two weeks ago came out at our invitation again we've met with him before on september 13th walked the property with me and one of my board members i'm president and he said you're in compliance there is repair that needs to be made but it is not causing flooding on mr shearer's property it is and there was there are problems with culverts that are clogged that the county needs to help we can't go under the roads that's not our responsibility so and i agree about the anclote flooding but not every not every outfall is in this bad condition as mr shearer indicated i think it was outfall number two that's on my pond i kept an eye on it during all the recent rain that we had a month ago or whenever it was it's working fine it never sheets across alvin on there the culvert is half blocked one of the two outlets so there are so many things i would like to say but you have another minute right that was three thousand okay thank you so much at any rate we hope if no matter what he builds that he keeps his homelessness thank you thank you next hello everyone my name is bill gillis i live at 9841 el vernon drive i've been sworn thank you if you look at that map up there and you look at the top right corner where mr sharer pointed out um i believe that swale kk i had a conversation with swift mud just two days ago let's see yesterday as a matter of fact um about that swale because we were not sure which way the water was supposed to flow in that swale what i was exp what was explained to me was that swale from the north flows south and correct mr sharer was correct that it flows into a swale behind our homes and into the pond behind our homes and then out that outfall number three however this that ditch uh swale kk on the side of that last house

actually is an overflow swale that runs south towards el vernon drive to a culvert that has been crushed for years and it's a county road culvert we've been promised for years we've had several conversations with the county about it never got repaired same thing with outfall number four which we repaired a few years ago because the walls were actually built out of the shores of the ponds and they've they've deteriorated to the point where there are were no walls so we went ahead and built walls on that outfall i think 2017 somewhere along there we had flow it was slow the problem is and again we'll point at the county mr sharer was doing the right thing a few years ago when he was trying to maintain the ditch that all this runs into all our culverts run into the county stopped him at the time where he was stopped all those that those culverts were flowing fine if the county hadn't stopped him the water would not be backing up into the next two culverts and flooding our ponds and probably plugging them because i've lived there since 2009 and we never had this issue until the last two years the ponds drained fine so the county has some culpability here i would ask you to look at the fact that what mr shearer is asking is to triple the capacity of what his property has been approved for almost triple 55 compared to 19. individual homes again individual homes are compatible to the area multi family are not now my last question is is the appeal process the same as it was in 2012 thank you very much next good afternoon my name is renee whitehead i live at 9507 alvernon drive and i have been sworn in so to echo many of the concerns of my neighbors we have the flooding we have traffic issues i won't go into too much detail on it but i do wanna also state the petition that was mentioned i have the hard copy signatures here can i turn those in motion to receive file in a second all in favor thank you hi i sent an email to every commissioner here today and in that i gave the change.org part of the petition that had 560 can you turn off your phone please that had 560 signatures and what i just turned in was 124 signatures physically signed by neighbors who were very concerned one of the big things i want to talk about is traffic you will hear probably later on the alvernon is a dead end road and there's not much traffic a traffic study was done but it was not done on

alvernon it was done at st lawrence and little road the traffic on alvernon is crazy as my neighbor mr van diver said there are so many cars that come out of patrician because the river chase neighborhood is so densely populated if we add 55 town homes or any number of town homes in that number range we are going to have approximately 110 more cars on our roads another concern of mine is if this does go through or anything goes through when he is going to build on this property the machinery that is going to be coming through to build these homes is going to tear up alvernon when river chase was built it tore up alvernon and all the homes on alvernon were assessed and had to pay to fix those roads what is going to happen when these roads get tore up again and it's not just alvernon it's saint lawrence roan sacramento nile it's all the incoming and outgoing roads the main ingress in egress i foresee this being a risky situation if we ever had to evacuate i see that it will be a problem with that many people in there um nobody's mentioned wildlife but i will mention it that's a big thing for me all those trees there there are coyote deer there's so many animals living in there the more we rip out they're going to come into our communities so there may be nuisance issues i just feel that the flooding that he's shown is not accurate the flooding that mr van dyver stated is accurate it's the ankle river backing it up and where it's flooding he showed a picture of my backyard and the drainage area and it is still flowing around it but it's still going into the ditch going into anclote that's not the cause of flooding on alvernon and it's not just alvernon that floods it's that whole neighborhood and riverside village thank you so much for your time and consideration thank you uh madam chair yeah sorry interrupt no no you're okay just for the the sake of this the speakers want to make sure that we're all on the same page here because they mentioned about any trucks or any clearing that may happen i have a note here yeah i was going to say currently [Music] that's sewn to have has the entitlements for how many homes staff staff i want to just want to hear from staff because i just want to make sure since that comment's been brought up a couple times they do have entitlements now that they could come on there so they have a preliminary development plan approved for 19 homes however under the current zoning which is 4.6 dwelling units per acre they can have 55 site bill detached homes currently be 55 up to 55. that's correct because it's 4.6 per acre under r2 the current zoning without coming in from the board and doing this that is a correct statement okay yes that's going to make sure

and i'll just say something about the roads um just so you know how it works with the roads when um they'll take a there'll be a photo taken of the roads and and their development process cannot and correct me if i'm wrong staff they they have to leave the roads in the same repairs when they started so if they tear up the roads i believe they have to repair the roads yes okay and commissioner starkey they you staff had mentioned that they're entitled to 55 single-family units and so basically they're just converted to townhomes yes they under the current zoning which is r2 they can have 55 single-family detached homes okay so let's finish public comment then we'll come back to us thank you good afternoon my name is rainey ruthig i live at 4428 oklahoma lane i have been sworn in my main thing is the i've been to four of the planning meetings i've been to all of them um my question is is uh his plotting and his land keeps changing so he keeps talking i understand he can have 55 homes currently he's i think his website says um he's going to build 18 and his lot size is 8 by 200 on his own website that i've looked at so he talked about his current planning with all that he is going to have a 35 foot pond and then he said he's going to have 80 80 to 85 foot i believe um on the front where his road is gonna build that to my math is already at like 125 or 135 so is his town homes only going to be 85 foot wide and then he also talked about on the back of river chase that his home's going to be sitting 90 feet off the back side of river chase so if his lot size is only 200 feet where is he getting all this land to continue to build and then he did promise to all this buffer land currently there it is a very wooded area i walk it usually every morning at five o'clock in the morning with my daughter because it is the only time that i can pretty much guarantee that i'm not going to get ran over because i have large flashing lights on and it's so well traveled all the time um so we walk it we see the wildlife we see the water and we haven't had rain a significant amount of rain probably at least in two weeks um i looked this morning with the anticipation of coming to this meeting today there's still standing water on that pretty much the whole area at some point in time behind river chase and alvernon the whole area is flooded well i wouldn't say flooded but a large amount of standing water so i live on a pond my pond is low right now compared to where it usually sits so i don't see how they say my pond draining into that and he still has standing water on his property it's just

some of the things i would like to bring up today thank you madam chair could i get her name just make sure i got it off marked off rainy ruthic thank you yes man all right uh if there's another speaker they need to line up behind this woman all right thank you hello um thank you for having me here today one second please uh this gentleman then will be the last public speaker on this item thank you that's okay you can speak after her thank you my name is uh papande newman i live in riverchase i was sworn in earlier 9729 riverchase drive i am actually one of those homes right over there on the river chase end and i just want to bring the river chase perspective i've we built our home on riverchase way back in 2009 actually before that we've been here in this neighborhood for 15 years we've had multiple attempts to build on that property don't have a problem with development i'm the president of rhoa i've been the president for six years and we've you know had to deal with um issues and letters of people developing or wanting to develop now this is going to affect us adversely of course you've heard from the traffic you've heard about the flooding i'm not going to reiterate all that but a lot of people are not considering well the people who live there like myself if this is a true story i don't have a problem with single story like everyone else said which this was approved for but if this is a two-story um townhouse whatever they want to call it um it's they're going to be just directly in my backyard and again what the lady previously said um beforehand uh i'm going to be having a ditch probably i don't even know there's not enough room for these measurements or what he's talking about for building i don't see how you can fit all that in in that allotted space and then have trees and then have a ditch and then have my pool which by the way those pictures were my backyard with with the drainage into his property yeah yeah it was my backyard but that was my pool um so um which really doesn't drain it's the drainage is just for the pool it's not for the the gutters but um like they said before the drainage is not coming from our homes um if that's the case then what he's going to put up is going to cause massive flooding because there's more roof tops there's you know there's just going to be tons of homes another situation what a lot of people are not considering because we live on river chase can i get one more minute or no yes yes we live on river chase southern oaks is right above there and a lot of us who live on river chase we really don't take a lot of us take

southern oaks to go to starkey boulevard okay because it's another outlet if you're going that way in that route and that's going to cause a lot of traffic people don't think about that it's not just alvinon it's going to affect southern oaks and it's going to affect traffic and we have lots of homes as you can see there very tightly close knit homes with lots of children there and the traffic now is unbelievable we try to get speed assessments and and speed bumps in that area due to the the people speeding it's just going to cause massive again i'm not against 19 homes but the 55 it would be disastrous with that many people there and of course for i appreciate all the flooding and all the the sewer that he's going to fix and all the sewage issues that he's going to take care of but it's just going to add problems to our subdivision thank you thank you very much i appreciate your time yes how you doing oh i was sworn in i didn't sign the paper i didn't know i was supposed to sign it but um you're okay just name an address uh my name is henry noche i live at 4420 oklahoma lane all right now i the myth don't add up as far as how he says he's going to build you know 90 feet in front 35 foot ditch and then he's going to use the 90 90 foot buffer from the other people did he ever ask the other people if he could use their their space because i moved in over here because i like the peace and quiet and not that much traffic now if he's putting 19 homes i don't have a problem with that but if he's put in 55 homes you're talking maybe at least two or three kids per house all right you know how much noise that is in the backyard now the people on the back of his house they they're not going to have a say on whether how much noise the people are going to be making i mean i don't think you know that would be like me saying you know what i want to go to new york but i'm going to use your car or me telling my neighbor rainey you know i got too much sun in my house so i'ma build a wall up on top of your house to block the sun from mine you know i it just don't make no sense to me what street do you live on uh oklahoma oklahoma okay thank you yep okay um uh the rebuttal please barber will height for the applicant so the property as as your zoning administrator has already said has a maximum 55 units that's where the 55 comes from it was keeping the same density not changing the density it's allowed into the zoning now that's

where that number came from that's where that cap came from that being said through this process my client has looked more and come up with the concept plans looked at more of what he thinks he'll achieve there and he would be willing to take that number to 45 which would cut his maximum density it's allowed currently as far as two-story versus one story the homes can be two-story the townhomes are two-story i think there's a fundamental misunderstanding about attached versus attach allows an efficient use of this property opens up the green space allows for a common amenity right now the zoning district allows pools with the current zoning district allows pools within five feet of the property line we won't have any pools for every home we won't have a driveway for every home we're gonna have a central pool so instead of having a whole bunch of houses lined up on that southern boundary with pools five foot from their five foot and then their pool which is ten foot between pools we are not having pools and i'll have mr sure come up and go over the measurements again but the measurements are correct um what he says is correct the um [Music] the res the land uses res nine and the zone the property's been zoned mf1 before it's a much better a use of the property it allows for more open space the homes are commonly maintained river chase was not developed by my client that was the orsi family with mr gustafson as their engineer he also designed thousand oaks as you recall and so by allowing by having town homes instead of the homeowners and river chase who pay their homeless association to chase them around and make sure that their deed restrictions are followed the homeowners association in this project will pay their homeowners association to maintain the project so it's automatically maintained as opposed to a single-family detached setup where you pay your homeowner association to chase everybody else around and try to get them to comply with that um i think the the proposed project is is makes sense i think the density is correct i think the number of units is correct we can drop that to 45 but i would like for mr henry to talk about traffic and then i know you've heard more about drainage and we can have our drainage engineer come back up and talk about drainage again if you'd like thank you good afternoon steve henry links and associates 3 west floral tampa 33607 and i have been sworn uh your land development code requires that you do a timing and phasing analysis when you have 50 pm peak hour

trips in fact this one only has 29 so we're not even required to do a timing and phasing analysis in addition the code looks at whether a project has five percent impact on a road is kind of your general idea of the study network this project has less than one percent of the capacity of little road but be that as it may just come in here my client went ahead and commissioned us to go ahead and do the analysis so we've done the analysis we've looked at it we've looked at little road a little road does operate at acceptable level of service we've also looked at the intersections at st louris lawrence and both north and south they operate at acceptable level of service and one of the questions that came up was you know whether the turn lanes at st lawrence and little road are adequate we actually did look at the southbound left that left turn lane is adequate to accommodate the existing traffic background traffic and the addition of this project traffic in addition we looked at the northbound right turn lane based on those volumes it is not warranted and that's based on both the existing background plus this project would not warrant a northbound right turn lane and then finally we talked about traffic and the impact as is indicated the project is currently the property is currently allowed 55 single family homes they would actually generate about 55 pm peak hour trips as opposed to town homes which is about 29. so this would actually be a reduction over what the current zoning would allow with 55 single-family homes that concludes my presentation unless you've got any questions uh well i have one question um it's something that i've i've seen in this neighborhood for a long time and um if we could put the map of the neighborhood up there's a little like spike strip mis unconnected place there at the end of amazon um and you're a traffic guy but it's always bothered me that for anyone anyone in this community that wants to get out to starkey boulevard they come down and they go through river chase and up and i've just been a real proponent of connectivity and it's just a shame how this area has developed in this disconnected way i know previous commissions stubbed out all the roads to the north and uh jack when we had the hearing on uh um with the park property um you know it they went through it all the all the mistakes in my opinion that prior commissions made that allowed for a disjointed transportation network in here and i think that's a lesson for us to be very careful but if you look here at amazon

and anaconda those are supposed to connect and they haven't connected yet um but i don't know i guess i'm making a comment more than i'm asking you for i can't answer that yeah so that is off-site but my client owns that property and he'd be happy to convey that property to the county but that is a county decision does the county want it not want it he's fine either way but he it is off site from this project but he does own that strip so okay well that would be great thank you barbara while you're up there i have a question for you and i listened to the planning commission meeting um so so right now you can build how many houses under r2 it's a 55. and so with the concrete pad coverage be more or less than with the townhomes more so it's less coverage now than what they could build impervious impervious right that's correct i just want everyone to really let that soak in um also i just went on google earth and went down river chase and patrician drive and i see a lot of two-story houses and this has come up to us before but you know we don't we don't say i can't recall a neighborhood where we say we're restricting you to one story house is that i see one story next to two-story all over the county and it's it's very common so i'm sure you all have noticed that too so um the manager those are some of the things i was just gonna bring up and i and i appreciate obviously everybody being here today you know those are the reasons i asked them these questions i i was not aware again they were allowed to have 55 homes so you're stating now that your your client is willing to bring it down to 45 that's correct okay from the 55 which is on the application that's correct okay you can do that in the deed restriction we have extraordinary deed restrictions never done any predictions like this before for a project county attorney's office helped us with them um but yes we'll do that to 45 okay and as chairman starkey mentioned a second ago homes can be to story um [Music] these are the townhouses are planned to be two stories not three stories correct two two stories okay okay so you're not gonna get any additional height that somebody could actually build a home on today unlike an apartment complex that lily could not have height restrictions be three four five six stories that's a possibility correct mr hernandez that's correct okay so these are in your deed restriction you're willing to say no taller than two stories

that's correct okay so we can write that in there um i think that's it for me i just wanted to make sure i just want to make sure that everybody was aware again that they could literally go there tomorrow and then you would have possibly smaller lots and smaller smaller lot sizes and you could have smaller skinnier homes in a more it actually caused you more issues and actually possibly even want more traffic because they're allowed to put more homes there so and listen i appreciate your comments if they were to say if they this would come to me today and it was literally only zoned for you know 10 homes or 20 homes my thought pattern would be totally different but they're actually almost in essence down zoning from what they currently can have not upzoning in reality commissioner starkey yes commissioner fitzpatrick then commissioner mariana thank you so i have met with the community regarding other projects and they had mentioned the flooding so i did go out there and i drove by and i at first i when i went i drove by i saw the concerns of the flooding on that property it looked there was standing water when i went and i the applicant had met with me he brought me the letter from swift mud showing that there were structures that had failed and i do know the community has come as well to mention about the flooding concerns so him taking the initiative to i believe it was about six hundred thousand dollars he would invest to fix the flooding concerns in that area i think he's willing to work with the community in essence and also looking at the project there's 47 homes butted up to the back of this in which he could technically put 47 single-family homes butted right next to each other and again he is showing the greenery between and also with swift mud i know the concerns of flooding one he is going to fix the flooding for river side village four and with that so also with swift mud you have to keep they have to keep the water on their own property so they do have the retention prawns to continue having the water flow on their property and it would not become an issue where the water would be draining back onto the roads so okay um this is in my district so go ahead commission mariana thank you um i got a few concerns that's four when i when i listened to the the rear buffer the ditch being cleared out for drainage and all it sounded to me like the rear buffer wasn't going to be there but do we have standards we have to have denise the bit buffer is going to be there what is that it's residential to residential yeah when do you buffer residential under residency so there's not going to be no

buffer then well well there is he agreed to put one in but he doesn't have to yes they're agreeing on a buffer but the land development code would not typically require a buffer okay all right um now when i look at under the finding of fact i've heard several times where this guy this developer can come in and build 55 homes right we just heard it again it's dezoning so help me understand when i'm looking at the finding of fact item number nine when it says the board of county commissioners the planning development department have approved the following plans in the subject property going down to see see on march 9th it says preliminary development plan construction plan and stormwater management plan in report for 19 single-family detached dwellings and associated infrastructure is that just a small portion of it no um what i'm what that is stating is that that is what they actually have in house the other question is what can they have under the current zoning so under the current zoning which is zone r2 it's 4.6 dwelling units per acre if you multiply 12.03 acres by 4.6 they can have 55.33 something units what they came in for preliminary development planning for which is what is in your finding of fact number nine is they came in for the preliminary development plan and they got it approved in 2019 which is first 19 single-family units so they could just had this zoning up we we would not be sitting here today for example they can come in for a preliminary development plan which is that under staff approval for 55 single-family detached homes which is what they can have under the current zoning under r2 which is 4.6 dwelling units per gross acre okay this is a reduction why is the problem yeah it's reduction and ditches are getting cleaned and all right okay all right it's true can i get a motion says district four i know but we just changed the maps but maybe that'll go into effect yet i think it goes into effect after the meeting yeah i don't know originally considering what i originally was told and originally going with all of the flooding issues that were addressed and for the fact that with swift mud he's gonna have to not only he's gonna fix the flooding issues that are across the street from him and he has to contain all the water that is on his own property and for the fact that there's 47 homes butted up to his property i would do a motion to approve for the 45 homes and it's not multi-family it it's um it's not apartments it is a town home

i'll second that okay i thought i heard a second no there wasn't a second i thought okay uh all those in favor signify by saying aye okay so fall for it in the other direction just you need to get in the habit of doing that again any opposed oh any opposed i heard five seconds okay it's getting late in the day all right reduction from 55. so um all right and i i do want our staff to go out there and look at all those culverts and understand that system um okay mike karbala i i recall mike garrett doing some work out there in one of those ditches and um and then i recall what the other engineer said what i think mr gillis said that there was some work being done in a ditch and swift but stopped him so uh never got finished i'll verify the maintenance responsibility and what we should be doing yeah yes ma'am that would be good and mr mike carbala can you just double check the right turn lanes on st lawrence and heritage lake boulevard please the traffic concerns you want us to review the traffic engineers find yes if it needs a right-hand turn please thank you all right we're gonna move on to one you're back 127. 126. i'm 26. 126. no no 1125. oh oh one two okay we have 112 and 126. right so we'll take 112 first right you got to change the comprehensive plan before you can take up design we have 112 they're both the same project comp plan rezoning madam chair i'm just going to restate the publication just so it's easy for the record uh the publication for item p112 is in the tampa bay times on november 21st 2021 and the publication wouldn't give me do we do that later when we bring up 126. yeah okay we'll do it there thank you good morning commissioners denise hernandez planning and development as i was reading 112 i explained to you that there was a full presentation on this item at the time of transmittal do you want a full presentation again for this hearing you will have a full presentation uh for the rezoning which is item p126 yes that's fine yeah i say let's uh have the abbreviated and then we'll get into it in the 126. mr zodian will do that thank you uh but are we going to vote on um dan uh excuse me i need to ask him a procedure question we're going to vote on 112 and and then go into 126 and we're going to take both presentations what's the percentage to take them separate motions you need to take you need to take each public hearing item on its own okay so you finish the comprehensive plan you take public comment do your presentations take public

comment on 112 make a motion okay on 112 and then move on to into the zoning so are you doing the presentation on 112 okay thank you i thought maybe that was it this is the abbreviated version presentation if you think it's necessary madam sharon commissioners my name is ed zodian i'm a planner with long range planning the matter before you is the pdd 22-0026 it's a large-scale comprehensive plan amendment can you hear in the back can you um sir can you just move your mic up and see if that helps i'm sorry is that better is that better i don't need to turn it up okay uh i'm sorry i'll test is that better yeah this is ridge road uh as you've heard this is the proposal is to amend the future land use from res one that's residential one dwelling unit per gross acre to pd plan development for ten thousand square feet of office and commercial and 230 multi-family units it's located at the intersection of ridge road and tanglewood drive there'll also be a text amendment creating a sub-area policy and a map amendment creating a sub-area map and as you know azure where there is a companion rezoning to an mpud as you can see the from the location map the primary fontage and the functional access will be on ridge road there is emergency access only on tanglewood drive to the east is the pasco hernando community college and also to the east but north of ridge road is that private airport it's entitled hidden lakes and this site is located in a not you just you can't call out from the seas it's okay this site is also located in a uh excuse me i apologize it's okay we interrupted you watching you didn't he in the urban uh gracious go back go back to your beginning and then work backwards like i apologize it's in the urban concentration area okay the following policies are consistent with the proposed comprehensive plan amendment plan development which proposes to have non-residential and residential development on one site and policy flew 8.1.1 which is the west market area which shall be included in the urban service area and promote infill redevelopment compact and mixed use as you can see from the adjacent zonings in the future land use the primary future land use is res one everybody should be aware that this is the original future land use from when the comprehensive plan was effective back in 1991. in 2008 the urban land institute

recommended that the county be divvied up into five distinct market areas and in 2010 this board amended the comprehensive plan to establish those market areas and it also established the urban concentration area for this site that changes the proposed character of this area and the board also adopted the the urban concentration area and policy flew 9.1.1 now the state adopted i believe in 2009 the or 2008 excuse me the definition for the urban service area and that definition is mandated that the area inside the boundary be used for urban development to focus its growth in that geographically defined area which is planned for urban services rather than allowing growth to happen where there are few or no planned urban services in the near future i ask that you take recognition for the fact that this property fronts on ridge road and the county had just spent approximately 149 million dollars extending ridge road to the suncoast parkway and ridge road is an arterial drive coupled with the fact that the sewer the utilities will be brought to the site by the developer at no cost to the county or to the residents the harbors west market area plan encourages the mixed use and infill development which this achieves oops as you can see from the map the existing future land use is res one the proposed future land use for this is pd the background is we've identified the subject property has one single family resonance on it it's zoned er which was the original zoning from 1975 and the proposed use is the pd the multi-family and office commercial development with the developer bringing the utilities to the site there is adequate utility service and capacity there have been no concerns addressed by police fire schools nor from parks and recreation with respect to environmental and emergency management had no concern with the exclusive emergency access only on tanglewood drive the proposal does adhere to the principles of pd and is located in the urban service area and meets the principles of the west market area so this proposed amendment does meet all the criteria for consistency with the comprehensive plan just from previous actions to make you aware in april 22nd the lpa voted to deny this by three to one vote this board on june 22nd voted 3-2 to

transmit to deo and other reviewing agencies and deo has responded it had no comment your staff asked that uh you please approve this amendment find it consistent with the comprehensive plan and approve it by roll call vote i'll be delighted to answer any questions any questions all right we'll have barbara's presentation good afternoon evening barbara will height 6327 grand boulevard in newport richie florida three four six five two and i do have a powerpoint thank you i have handed out and put on the dyas three things one of them relates to the mpud and some mpd conditions the second one is a concept site plan which is now a binding concept site plan per the action of the planning commission and a powerpoint if you would be so kind as to receive and file that for your record second all in favor aye aye aye this is the beginning of my presentation this is my client's other project steve mcconaughey is doing this other project already it's going in in another part of pasco county and that's a picture of it this project will look very similar i have my team back here steve mahoney mcconaughey the developer jeremy couch tampa civil project engineer steve henry links and associates and we have doug saunders who was with cns companies who's the airport consultant since the boar's last hearing the florida deo raised no comments or concerns on our comprehensive plan amendment after being heavily lobbied because i got a lot of calls from deo i've never spoke to them before and the planning commission most recently made a uni unanimous recommendation of approval on our mpud you've heard about the project location this project is on ridge road it's not in the subdivision i thought this was an interesting graphic to look at because we're looking at whether what's what does it look like in the area on tanglewood all of this property over here is po2 it's to the same depth that our project is proposed and i would note that while this is po2 and allows non-residential uses you'll see when we get to the rest of our presentation that the uses here will all be open space and drainage so unlike over this side that's allowed to have non-residential right up against the road we have set back and put open space and drainage on the road here and po2 is professional office that's correct it's the more intense of your two districts this is your own graphic from your presentations that you have made that sam benneck has made regarding ridge road extension all my figures regarding ridge road extension are from mr bennett's presentation to the pedc which i'm a board member one-third of pasco's population lives within two miles of ridge road i thought that was fascinating

it goes to show what an important road it is and why you worked on it for so many years project location all the jobs in this area amazing how pasco is changing hidden lake airport we did pay special attention to hidden lake airport we did an airspace analysis we're outside the safety zones we're outside the runway production zone we're outside the land use compatibility area in florida statutes our structures are fine the and that's in our analysis confirm the fa determinations of no hazard our our consultant is here and can talk on rebuttal but didn't want to go through i just want to go through it quickly with you our project is here the runway is here the winery protection area is down here and down here this is the land use compatibility zone under florida statutes the most restrictive interpretation of land use compatibility based upon noise we're outside of that in fact interesting that's interesting note is that the power lines on ridge road existing power lines on ridge road in front of our project are higher than our project will be and and the board did direct that hidden lake be included in the new airport protection ordinance we did not object to that we agree with that and this project will be subject to that ordinance i give you this quote of mr laporte because i respect him very highly and what i did was when he spoke before you got a transcript of what he said because i wanted to read it it's actually very important to me that i address concerns of of people of folks regarding my applications and so what was important to me was what he said about my proj our project now i've been asked is the fact that a four-story apartment going to affect us candidly probably not it may change some wind patterns but we come out of hidden lake we're used to that and i do that not as i just do it because that's that is the statement my airspace analysis has confirmed that mr report has confirmed that it doesn't impact the airport operations and so i wanted to show that to you the current land use and zoning you've heard staff already go through this i i'm going to speed this up a little bit because i know you've been here a long time it's not in a rural area it went through the different markets that we are in and the effort that's been taken to plan for this area noteworthy all the planning was done but you never change the land use if you would have changed the land used to implement your market area strategies and your visions i wouldn't be here we

would have already developed this property because the complaint would have been changed this is the west market area vision i really think there's some interesting language in here the significant inventory of affordable housing neighborhoods shall be enhanced enhanced through infill and redevelopment in a manner which will strengthen their vitality and then you can look at what the mission is and i'm going to go through a slide i'm going to show you exactly how this implements the mission i got pretty excited actually when i did this because it's just unique um to this project i've never had a project that fits the mission so well choice of living is one of the things that you of your mission you want to give a choice of living in the west market area there are no classy apartment projects in this area unique location these are your factors arterial highway extending to suncoast parkway sun lake and us-41 working pasco county va social security administration paul aeropower moffitt suncoast 54 medical center trinity north bay hospital band at point hospital all within this area education walking distance to pasco hernandez state college bus service to all of those locations in west pasco and i'm sure it'll extend bus service will continue to extend on ridge road ridge road extension to moffett leisure time a lot to be said here downtown newport richie cody river landing port richie trails starkey park warner boyce state park sunco sun west park hudson beach green key park yes i still call it green key eagle point park key vista nature park encult gulf park and ant club river park you have invested in incredible amount of infrastructure and you have an incredible amount of exciting stuff that these residents are going to get to access the urban concentration area you discourage urban sprawl you you encourage density you've heard about that from your staff this is in the harbors west market area that you adopted the infill and redevelopment plan in 2013. it's in the central district the vision is provide parks and open spaces connected street networks and encourage mixed-use infield development exactly what we're doing you've heard about your infrastructure that's already in place for transportation bridge road you're extending it to 100 million investment ultimately incredible volume capacity ratio i don't see that anywhere with any of my other projects after this project in 2045 you'll still be at 0.77 there's many places on on state road 54 that are in the one two one three one four barbara can you just go back one slide for a second please oh now i'm doing the same thing market yeah i'm doing the same thing that uh

that my client did before okay central district west market which side this is a slide thank you okay thank you as you've heard the project is on ridge road we have no project access to tanglewood we did make that an emergency access our traffic engineer steve henry is available but i summarized his findings 97 percent of traffic will use ridge road three percent of pr track traffic may travel on tanglewood drive utilities we've heard that also there are projects required to connect into the county's water and wastewater system at sole expense and tangled drive will not be allowed to be used for any of those water or wastewater extensions or connections and i actually have a condition to add when we talk about the mpud to make that very clear this is the graphic that shows how the extension the current um sewer the water is at our near our doorstep this the current sewer connection is a tuculus and ridge road and this just shows how we're gonna to bring that to the site it's about two mile extension uh million dollars it's not inexpensive but my client is committed to doing that no do not talk training from the galley this is all the facts about the drainage but i'll just highlight the last the last portion here the project will provide a net improvement to the drainage within the local sub basin and we have to follow all the requirements of both swift mud and and your land development code existing infrastructure actually looked over here to see what all the places that these residents will be able to access we have two bus routes that are out the front door the bus stop is at the front door it's over on the other side of tanglewood but kind of unique to have that parks and trails wow that's all i can say about that you have an existing trail within ridge road your trail is going to be extended all the way to suncoast parkway and eventually 41 sun lake and then 41. you have the existing north south trail along suncoast parkway that you'll be able to go out the front door and enjoy all those trails from this project and you can also travel west along the trails that go to the warner boys project which is just north of ridge road on us 19 and enjoy that 4 000 acres infrastructure for schools the project is 663 feet west of a state college 132 acre state college the property the project is zoned for cypress elementary river ridge middle and river ridge high school all outstanding schools

projects estimated to generate about 27 elementary students and we did confirm with the school board that those students we bust to cypress elementary i would mention that this area has a lot of different opportunities for charter schools and for for example where my kids went to school for some time within three miles seven minute drive to bishop larkin catholic school ec three through eight eighth grade we are designing our project to accommodate a bus stop for both p p e c pt and the school buses so there'll be a nice area for that to occur where the buses can get off of ridge road and it they're pro it's approximate to our mixed use building so that the kids will have a place if it's raining they have a place to congregate instead of just on the side of the road this is our site plan which you have a copy of again our site plan is a binding site plan the planning commission asked us to make it binding and we made that commitment that concept plan has a lot of interesting features in it along the ridge road frontage there's a pond and a 10 000 square foot mixed use vertically integrated building it complies with your directive from june 2020 even though it's nowhere near where that loca where you did that directive but it was important to you there we thought it would be important to you here on this arterial roadway as we plan for the future our open space area as i mentioned the po2 is allowed to have non-residential at the entrance to tanglewood we decided to put a community park and a pond at the entrance to tanglewood and move our buildings back to the west we clustered the apartments at the center of the project we made an inter internal corridor design so there's not open breezeways we increased the setbacks to the apartment buildings approximately a football field to the existing homes you've got the all the different distances there the current zoning zip setback is 35 feet and five feet for pools enhanced buffering we did enhance buffering along the western boundary there's an existing wall of tanglewood east there we're going to put on the inside of that fast growing arbited trees within a 20-foot buffer and then to further buffer that we have our pond and a pond in that location easter buffer similarly we pulled back our our project 30 feet there's a lot of natural vegetation there we pulled back our project 30 feet we'll keep that natural vegetation we'll add a fence and then we put a pond in that location as well this is an example of what arbor vitae trees look like our requirements to have them 12 feet at planting and 10 foot on center there's no other requirement in pasco county that any tree be 12 feet at planting

this is a example of the the buffering you can see here all the natural buffering i was referring to this is tanglewood this is ridge and this is the existing buffering that exists on this side economic impact analysis i usually don't do these but i found it was so interesting when i did it usually i do it i don't show it because it just you know it's greenfield development something interesting but when you take a project that's already developed this is developed as with a home site so it already is is paying taxes and you look at what we're going to pay we're going to pay our mobility fee impact fee building permit fees we pay our share 3.4 million ad valorem this project in the 50 million dollar investment my client will generate 815 000 per year 33 426 per unit right now the property is generating 8 290 for the county and on average the properties around it are paying about 20 500 per year because of save our homes and homestead exemptions and the like which this project will not get the benefit of in 10 years my clients 50 million dollar investment will generate 8.1 million dollars for the accounting versus the current 82 900 that's that's this property on your arterial roadway your 200 million dollar roadway is generating those are just all the backup of how that was calculated the other thing is is the net economic impact of having these folks come and live at this location there's an income requirement it's a class apartment unit we have a minimum income affordable housing has a maximum income we have a minimum income this one's three times the monthly rent about 60 to 65 000 per year household income very similar to the medium household income of the tanglewood area which is 59 000 per year our new residence combined income on those 20 acres which by the way is a pretty large site for a multi-family my clients are trying to do it on 11 12 13 this one's 21 acres that's why we're able to do so much more in this location and the combined income is 13.8 million per year and this will make a difference this is why you do infill you bring people with new income to an area and they use existing businesses the businesses are attracted to the area as they see the new the existing businesses profiting and doing well and it just creates a whole new cycle and and you see shopping centers that are revitalized instead of continue to blight thank you i'm going to leave my rest of my team kind of sitting there so they don't have to come up twice go ahead and move to you know public comment if you would like okay that's acceptable and then you can bring uh forward more conversational rebuttal thank you okay um do we have people signed up to

speak um so i'm just confirming this as item p112 that's right this is the hearing on the comprehensive plan amendment not on the mpud okay so yes we have individuals signed up for item p112 and i will give the first person up is john voda and who's after john then then another john john campanella all right anthony hey mike what do you think about that sewer project huh not even close huh what pump station they're going to put that's 20 seconds off your time there yeah right okay name and address for the record five minutes okay hey there's an editorial name and address for the record john please oh that's right and that you've been sworn yes i've been sworn my name is john voda i am an 8641 skymaster perfect in hidden lake airport community lakes okay um there's an editorial in the times that uh gave you guys a lot of great praise they said the pasco commission gets it right on apartment building moratorium not on buildings on moratorium and that's mr moore led the charge for the moratorium his district included wesley chapel it grew at 47 over the last decade with only 21 for the rest of the county all right and that covered most of his area and up into his end of his district arguments are compelling mr moore also argued that over saturating the area with apartment complex could lead to blight existing complex ages and become less desirable than new communities sheriff nacho also waded into the debate asking that law enforcement needs to be factored into the development review process since every new housing subdivision apartment complex creates added territorial for just deputies to patrol which makes sense since they get half price on their apartment complex all right one thing that you graciously said that you got a dog park coming into this area well we all know what dog parks turn into after hours right drug parks that's why the sheriff is concerned it wasn't long ago that much of pasco was still dotted with orange groves and cattle ranches as mr oakley represents and but it's okay if he puts in something else in our neck of the woods where it's basically doing our making um okay man managing the growth of the next two decades the next 20 years how many people are going to be up here in 20

years from now probably none of you but we're going to have to live with your decisions on this thing and now um you want to put up a four-story four unit apartment right next to the airport in the middle of a rural area and may i say that that airport design is for an instrument type airport not a vfr type airport that really ticks me off because oh no it's got plenty of room it doesn't we're flying right over these things and it is it is an important part all right the other thing is that 54 and the toll road is closer to this moffett unit than this unit on ridge road all right so if you're saying well it's for the moffatt center and all this kind of stuff it just just doesn't make sense folks it doesn't make sense thank you so please just knock this off uh the next gentleman standing up okay who's after this gentleman and then after this gentleman that's stepping up shannon w and then followed by uh sunny farah so if you could go ahead and line up that would be great are those people still here okay okay thank you name and address please my name is john campanella i live at 8 300 boys court newport richie okay and have you been sworn they don't have to be sworn for that comp plan hearing i'm sorry okay i'm arguing with you i represent highlanders tanglewood east hoa as well as myself uh i'm opposed to the rezoning for fear of development that the subject property will cause the sinkholes and islands of tanglewood east to reopen and cause more property damage and personal injury and or death rezoning this property is not in the best in the public's best interest seven yes seven houses in highlands of tanglewood east subdivision adjacent to the subject property have had sinkhole damage and repair four of the sinkhole properties share the western boundary of the proposed development site look at the paso county appraisers map under subsidence and sinkholes to see for yourself sinkholes are one of the most visible karst terrain features this is a coarse region just look at all of recorded sinkhole activity on the north and south sides of ridge road from little road to moon lake signal activity on the boundary of the subject property is a warning sign that the developer and county should carefully consider this is a hazard in terms of human injury property damage and is the threat to public safety and well-being the

subject property is compromised of adamsville and tavares soils according to the us department of agriculture soil series adamsville soil has a low ph is moderately acidic and rapidly permeable tavares soil has a very low ph it is strongly acidic it is also rapidly permeable water passing through these soils become acidic and it percolates to the underlying limestone where it dissolves the limestone structure weakening it forming cavities and allowing superficial sediments to collapse the subject property has two existing plug sinkholes in the areas and the subsidence as evidenced by multiple tilted trees and depressions in the land especially near the west property line to the florida geological survey publication number 29 construction activities such as excavating dewatering foundations heavy equipment traffic altering natural drainage can trigger sinkhole collapse activities like mass grading uh scrapes away from protective layers of soil parking lots paved roads divert rainwater to infiltration points and weight the four-story apartment buildings and man-made impoundments such as retention bases used to store runoff and create significant increase in bearing on supporting limestone triggering the collapse and overburden the cavity the development of this subject property will cause sinkholes and highlands of tango woody's to reopen and more property damage and uh possibly injury of that rezoning the property uh uh will not preserve it thank you very much safety thank you okay um no that's it i'm sorry oh do you want us to turn it into a septum file i wanted to intro you know ask this to be and i have a a diagram to show what i'm talking about move to approve move to receive and file so you've made a motion i'm sorry all in favor aye aye i can give it to somebody you can give it to her right thank you thank you very much let me remind the public this is not the rezoning hearing that is 126. this is the comprehensive plan hearing and who and so okay we've got enough go ahead hi eva spezzak 9975 sweep bay court i'm going to start start off with the traffic because it is really a sore subject and that three percent usage i think is absurd um going to google maps let's look at reality 9640 ridge road google map says you turn right for all of these following target sprouts michaels walmart tj maxx clearwater st pete airport ordnance one sims park downtown new port richie

aldi's big storm starkey park starkey market morton north bay hospital um medical center of trinity hospital and uh plenty more even the salvador dali museum said to go down tanglewood okay parking looking at the plan that they have at the planning meeting on the 18th of of last month the developer's presentation item number 38 on-site parking will be 1.9 spaces per multi-family apartment unit are they asking for a variance for this i thought it was 2.25 spaces we are not a bussing community we do not have public transport i mean we have public transportation but for an apartment complex like that it's not going to be utilize the the um the bus system so parking is going to be a big issue it doesn't fit in that location if they have to squeeze the area and squeeze for parking it's not going to have a question about where the dumpster would be located nowhere in the in the plan does it show where the dumpster is dumpster okay you cannot have a phone ringing it's not fair to the lady speaking please turn off your phone thank you go ahead okay um for the dumpster station should be there's code designed for refusal uh of refuse disposal station shall be designed maximum screening and it should be located away from residential areas my question is is the emergency entrance going to be used for the disposal is that going to be where the dumpsters are going to be so is it really not an emergency use area i have a picture from [Music] sister property of the developer in the back they use and there are mattresses outside and i'm wondering if that's going to be on tanglewood drive next issue i have taxes multi-family and the economic impact we already have a lot going on on this on ridge road you have 23 acres just sold at 1132 town center drive two miles from this property zoned commercial multifamily office retail you have 11319 moon lake road 34 plus acres just sold gonna be multi-family housing it's five miles from this property you have 502 little road 30 acres multi-family sold on hunters ridge um to five miles from this property so there are already projects three that are going on right now and approved why does this one have to change there's one other property right on the corner of where am i looking at at lowe's 50 acres are for sale multi-purpose commercial retail why change your money for this property thank you very much um okay name and address please and uh sonny farah 8016 callum court i have been sworn in thank you and i'm just going to present this to her all in favor aye

okay all right uh at the pass meeting we tried stating all the reasons why this project was not a good fit at the cur at its current location putting a res 24 four-story apartment building next to a res one single-family development with no real buffer about the traffic and in the airport the kids on walking on tanglewood drive or riding their bikes to school which has no sidewalks or street lights by the way actually it has two street lights but private owners have to pay for them and they haven't so they don't work but they are there okay so uh anyway the uh uh oh yeah and we also submitted over a thousand signed petitions the planning board even voted and you saw it on her thing there um three to one not to recommend uh like approving this project at the time none of that seemed to matter so maybe this will decisions made by you the commissioners are at your discretion with the information you have to base your decision however we believe that you're going beyond your discretion by ignoring the fact that an actual traffic study at this location was never performed are you aware the national traffic studies are flawed when applied to local areas they use several points of assumptions estimates and flat out guesses and this is per uh brian fisk with the american society of civil engineers of how national traffic studies are used when there's no other local available use or traffic studying being done and this is what's happened with that in mind i'm stating this for the record and future possible little and future possible litigation against the county and you commissioners personally you make this decision someone gets killed at those intersections because their proper traffic study wasn't done and traffic safety conditions won't come they can basically come after you and the county and sue traffic is a single the the traffic from a single exit and entrance from 230 apartments in tanglewood drive is approximately 100 feet east of that entrance so basically you've got tanglewood drive and you got 230 units of apartments trying to get out onto ridge road and they're only 100 feet apart so they're fighting to get on there eastbound won't be so much of a problem but the westbound is going to be a nightmare trying to cross two lanes of traffic for the apartments then getting a left-hand turn union lane a u-turn lane and then traffic coming

out of tanglewood doing the same thing and as you saw in her dramatic there she saw 60 percent of the traffic actually going west on ridge road because that's where everything is so people coming out of there twice a day you might as well park an ambulance a fire truck and a police cruiser there to pick up the pieces because people trying to it happens now people coming out of there my other main concern being on sycamore drive that truck they're going to come out go right on tanglewood and come out on sycamore thank you very much that's your three minutes i pay for that road that's why we got your paper here thank you is there anyone else who's going to speak to this issue please line up otherwise the gentleman with the blue hat will be the last one unless do we have anyone on webex we have no one on webex on this item how many more do we have as they're coming up i'm checking them out okay so um excuse me one second what's your what's your name i sir in nine three four four four four four four four four four four four no no just i just want to see if we have any more signed up after you some people may have left it's been a long day no one else okay so if someone doesn't get up now then this gentleman is going to be the last one all right proceed thank you shannon we're 9936 sweep a court it's very obvious that you do not need our permission to move forward with this project i'm so sorry yes i'm sworn in but it is your job to protect the people and have our interests not those of the developer you should have our back and you don't one who isolates himself from the truth should never work in government here are some truths that are being ignored the comprehensive plan states there should be a transition in that area you don't go from res1 to res 24 without a transition right now what you're putting there is a travesty with the way things have gone one would think that the comprehensive plan was written in pencil if it can be changed to suit the needs of one person and affect hundreds then there is no comprehensive plan no real traffic study was ever completed numbers taken from a nationwide study book during the time of covid is not a true and real representation of the traffic that will go through tanglewood drive and everyone here knows it the school one pasco county uh school board website says that cypress elementary is closed that it it does not mean that there is plenty of room in that school twisting the truth now to fit the future years from now that's not the truth that's called a wish ignoring the high density in a low density area and dismissing the fact that the sheriff has stated he cannot keep up with that type of density that's a problem the people who live here are being put at risk without thought or care from

their representatives one of our biggest problems of all are the planes at hidden lake they turn right on top of that complex when they come in for a landing i'm here to represent we the people we who elected you do not feel represented we've told you in every way we can not to move forward with this project how are we supposed to tell the difference between what's going on in washington and what's going right on here in this room and all your decisions in washington people speak loud to their representatives and their representatives ignore them and they do whatever they want and again how are we supposed to know the difference i get it you don't need to explain yourself to the chickens we are the chickens we live here we're going to live with these consequences this vote that you all make it's going to be very interesting because we have a lot of people a couple people here up for re-election and i'm i'm sure we're all waiting to see how you uh how you go with this anyway i implore you open your eyes and ears make your decision now with the information that was presented with you today get uncomfortable and do the right thing prove us wrong vote your conscience and not what the world tells you and our last speaker my name is paul patcher all of a sudden our volume's really working i promise and i swear what i say is the truth nothing but the truth so help me god and you were sworn in well he just went i live in nine three four four dantel drive what's his name tanglewood east thank you okay newport richie florida three four six five four i object to what is trying to be built at ridge road and tanglewood east i'm a veteran where i have been to protect our country the dirt i have eaten the water i have swallowed the places i have been to protect you our representatives not only here but in all the places here in the united states and abroad you should have our best interests at heart we the people right here in tanglewood east moon lake here at the airport we packed literally packed your room here and we objected not once twice

at the development of the rezoning hearing that we had here and you still saw fit to tell us that our petitions that we delivered to you meant nothing to you absolutely nothing you have no idea what it has taken for me to stand up here i'm a 100 percent disabled vet i have had three brain surgeries yeah i got a hole in my head lady i've got more metal in me yes i've got more metal than me i can't pass through airports if they arrest me they keep asking me what's that metal you got in me i walk on metal titanium folks how about using a little bit of common sense if you think a four-story apartment building in a neighborhood complex is common sense to you i think you all need go look and talk to god because i don't think he would want one in his house no no and no thank you very much all right um the applicant and rebuttal and all those things barbara will height for the applicant um as far as mr campanella's comments yes we will carefully consider sinkholes and and our project engineer is here and can hear all that and i'm sure you can talk to mr campanelle and get more information about all the things he talked about and i guess he did provide you with something for the record i can get a copy of as well as you know the county does have an extensive process regarding sinkholes and the process you have to go through develop property and you take it seriously and so does the engineer and so does the applicant and so does their lender all those people make sure that that um they're not putting a project uh that creates sinkholes or or will will become a sinkhole a good question about the emergency entrance um and can it be used for trash pickup the answer is no it can be used by your your emergency services your fire and rescue department it's gated it's locked so no it can't be used for trash pickup be happy to work with the community as to where they might want to see the the dumpster located and so all they need to do is reach out and we'll be happy to to have those conversations and make sure they're cited in a way that that works for them and for us we have a large piece of property so we should be able to accommodate that

i have mister henry here that i can talk about the traffic study i think that's important for you to hear as far as transition and no buffer and right next to we are the farthest thing away from right next to anybody this this project has large buffers specific buffers and your comp plan this matches your comp into the t it absolutely is what your comp plan directs you plan we follow that planning that's what we're doing here the comp plan says that you can transition through space through property and through buffering and we took that what normal people say they did it with a 10 foot buffer 20-foot buffer we we buffered and we set back and we did all those we buffered and setback so i just want you to appreciate that you know we're not asking for something that's not in your comp plan that's not recognized by your compliance not encouraged by your comp plan we're following those plans and to me those plans mean something so let me have steve henry come up and talk traffic because i know that's came up over and over and over and then i have the rest of my team available here if you have any other questions thank you madam chair yeah the sheet that we just got i'd like them to address each one of these questions so that would be the project engineer regarding soils and no no this is a traffic study so oh traffic yes we just we handed this piece of paper um you want to take mine sure okay steve henry lincoln associates 5023 west laura tampa 33687 to go through some of the comments that were addressed um so the one is on national data so we do use national data this is actually published by the institute of transportation engineers uh they have you know done many many studies uh in fact when you look at their studies versus actually pasco county has done local studies for your mobility fees and the trip generation rates in there for residential are about 20 percent less than the national average but we use the national average so in fact what we're using in our studies is actually a little bit higher than what you're actually seeing in actual local studies that have been done for pasco county as a part of your mobility feed as far as the traffic you know we did the counts this year february this year uh they were actually whenever we do those counts we actually factor those to peak seasons we take fdot goes out every year and counts to state roads and comes up and actually local roads too comes up with factors so we actually factor those to the peak season of the year and that's what our

analysis is based on is peak season of the year let me see if there's anything else it gets here [Music] so i mean who paid for the study obviously the the developer paid for it um again kovid we did we did the studies the the you know we've talked with your transportation people they had monitored it there's been many counties that have been monitoring the covid you know we used to do covet adjustment factors this year every county in this area has eliminated the coveted factors because the traffic has gotten back up to normal so from that standpoint but again we factor those to peak season um um so any plan for traffic light at uh uh ridge road in tanglewood not not to my knowledge but again you know the the volume of traffic you know our traffic we have our separate exit an entrance on ridge road onto our project one of the comments came up that our access is a hundred feet from tanglewood we're actually over 700 feet from tanglewood so we and we actually meet your spacing criteria for a directional median opening from tanglewood to our access so it's not a hundred feet it's actually over 700 feet um i think those are the only really substantive comments uh or questions on on the on those so unless you've got any questions i'm happy to answer any questions thank you would you like to hear anything further from my airport consultant or our project engineer i know we've kind of went through everything i went i know i let him chair sorry i know it's been a long day we have a lot left after this probably too but i would like to hear from the airport consultant because obviously there's people here from the airport that was mentioned today just like it was last meeting so okay and that's one of my we'll hear from the airport that's one of my concerns as it was last meeting so i would like to hear it do you have this powerpoint thank you these guys are great by the way thank you doug saunders cns compass love it 11 18 0 day drive winter springs florida and i have been sworn in if anything i don't hit specific one talk about let me know i'll kind of run through kind of briefly same presentation as previous but doing this about 20 years professional engineer only doing aviation engineering on airports uh we all know the uh the project flight procedures so the one question was regarding visual versus not not instrument you're not doing an instrument approach these are all visual approaches so we are following the visual we're not doing a instrument approach for this type of

airport it's all standard left hand traffic pattern uh someone mentioned the base leg they are going to turn over top of the uh that's the top button so the base leg is when they turn turn down wind um it's visual so it's really it's pilot's choice they can turn whatever they want so you see the white i showed the works case white also green and blue they can really turn over whenever they want to again they're going to be sitting rather high up uh they're going to be sitting about four to five hundred feet above grade the buildings will be about 95 feet again the the power lines along ridge road are higher than that so they'll you know they'll be closer to the power lines than anything else um and they take off to actually be a left-hand traffic pattern so when they take off they're actually going to be taking off they're taking off southwest they should be if they're following their own protocols they'll be taken off over the college not over our uh our our project so when they take off they'll be if they're following their procedures their protocols they should be doing a left-hand traffic pattern for takeoffs uh public zoning regulations uh barbara talked about this this is we've talked many times about this this is actually being redone by your county right now um there was a let's see terry but there you guys are going through uh um a review this is for public airports not even for private airports but even if it was a regulation that we did follow um we'd still be fine we're still outside this area and then once you do this other study that's coming up um i guarantee the contours will be within the property line it'll be within bridge road when those contours are developed barbara mentioned the safety protection zones again there's no protection zone safety areas object-free areas anything over our site the rpc does go into the the parking lot of the college which is the road detection zone which is normally trying to be cleared and it goes across ridge road as well airspace analysis for tall structures so you know obviously i'm here for standards i want to follow the pro call make sure everything is is correct this is the contours that we did for this this visual airport again we did not do look at an instrument type of airport this is a visual airport um this is not an obstruction at all to um to the air space of the airport um this project went out and actually as you said earlier the power lines are higher than the apartment complex and there is no obstruction line required for this for this project because again the airspace it's a it's a 3d you can go back one slide i'm going to ask you a question about the power lines

for a second but if you want to go through that i just i just it might help out just because it's it's kind of complicated i think like a lot of these are 2d surfaces on the ground a lot more 3d surfaces in the air this is a 3d vertical surface um so really as you're going up in the air that's why i'm talking about the contours above grade where we're not penetrating that surface um vertically in the air um for this project um yeah if you go to the next picture so i believe i i was on the lpa when i was on the school board which was the local planning agency and i remember something coming in here and um or with lecouchi was doing something with their power lines and anyway they they were made to lower their some of their um new transmission lines that were coming in somewhere along here and they have red balls on them if i remember so are you familiar with where they are on this route uh i i know i actually i did take a few photos from the college kind of i am i'm very familiar yeah so they're they're not as wide as this this thing here so so they were only they only had to come down in it yeah it'd they're interesting to see well i could probably look it up yeah i mean honestly we could get a survey pretty easily of the top of the top of the power poles and show um show that but i will say just apologize with those power lines what they did is in front of the runway they instead of the three lines being vertical they turn them horizontal and they did add the orange balls on them and then it twists up right around the bend and again the power lines are higher than those apartments when you go around that bend yeah so where it was important to be lower with likucci had to lower those transmission lines where it didn't matter they're back up high the power lines at the end of the the runway they're higher than them no they went down at the end of the runway in a certain way brought about these at the apartment the apartment location they're back to the three high yeah they're back to the high there are three high vertical yeah they're higher than the apartments yep yes well they have to come over those higher than the more they come to the apartment yeah and then they get down lower that's what i was getting over there and i guess the last last thing is is the faa did we did submit a um or tampa civil submitted a a faa determination so it's really to the faa and i think the question was is they even review this airport as a private

airport and i would say we concur with the faa's recommendation that there is no no hazard to air navigation so we 100 agree with uh with the faa federal administration associations uh study so 100 agree any other questions for the airport side thank you very much i would just say i i talked to i have two relatives well i'm just talking in general it is air airport related i do have two um my son-in-law is lieutenant colonel diaz and my brother-in-law is lieutenant colonel patterson u.s air force one also now flies for american and i showed him all the stuff that that you all had my son-in-law er both of them air force academy grads is a has been a flight instructor on three different kind of flights is now commander of a squadron and they said that's there's no issue there that's what i went and asked around to get my own my own opinions on the airport so just letting you know that so that only leaves mr couch but he is available if we want to talk to mr couch about sinkholes or drainage or stormwater or any of those things okay if not hearing none i'll just do a simple closing for you all this is a very important project as an infill project opportunity this opportunity exists because your comp plan and the things you put into your comp plan to encourage it exists because of the public expenditure that was made for ridge road and its extension this opportunity exists because of the incentives for moffitt the infield development equates to change so anytime you have change you're going to have resistance but this is your plan for this property i hope you support this project and the info projects in the west market area that will follow it will finally follow the plans you made in 2008 10 and 13. and allow this proper this 21 acre property alone to generate 8 million dollars in new ad valorem taxes in 10 years versus if it sits like it is today 8200 times 10 which is 82 000. 8.2 million versus 82 000. thank you very much for your patience and listening to us i'm going to incorporate if we get to the mpd stage i'll incorporate so we don't have to do this again with my presentations thank you thank you all right to the board yes commissioner mariana so i've heard the comp plan mentioned how it was set up a certain way years ago when i first got elected we're adopting it i think you as you sat on as a

republican yeah okay oh well no that was the year of the year just so when we set this up i think we looked at everything involved and i think one of the reasons this was left as res one was because it was a rural area and tanglewood might have been a factor other things might have been a factor but we looked at that and that was why i think it stayed that way we didn't make any of the changes because i think the same thing goes you've got to run a sewer line two miles to get here now i don't even know how efficient that is for the system to run it from one spot and you gotta run it two months talk from back there it's it's just very distracting thank you this is the last time and the bailiffs are gonna take out the next person that talks so so all i've learned about land use in my years and the commission is growth is supposed to radiate out and if you look at right in this one area it's res one are all around it and then it spreads out a little bit as you go further now i can appreciate ridge road coming in here it's very important road for us and you know i think we've we've all fought that from day one how important that road was but when you look at the character of the neighborhood and look at tangowood drive even the transportation folks will tell you it gets jammed up and the best thing to do is not to go down that road during that time of day that's the solution so that road is like inoperable and it's dangerous there's no sidewalks there you've got kids there's one family from what i'm told that actually walks to school everyone else takes the car now i will say they have a nice plan to go put kids in front up and go through that might entice him to the bus but the families may still drive him in i don't know either way it's going to be a heavy traffic thing when when i look at we've got res one res three or six res nine res 12 or s24 that's a long way to go from res1 to this mpud and it sounds better as an mpd that does res 24 because it would just stick out like a if it was a zoning type thing you say that's like spot zoning the intensity that this has from where it is is not compatible for any of everything that's around it you can talk about the road coming in you can talk about all the growth come in from down the road let it go closer to whim off it's going to be let it go back toward the other side of ridge road where there's much better infiltration we've seen burnt out buildings over on little road in regency park that have been sitting there for years well maybe this traffic is going to help get through let's go work on the infield there's a big issue what we're going to do is if this gets approved this is going to transform the neighborhood and i think a very negative

way that people put a lot of money into their lives have been there and it just doesn't seem to fit um and again mike yeah mike carabella mike was gone i was gonna address you right after that mike we didn't put a line in when we were redoing this road right all the way through that is correct any reason we didn't the utility typically does not speculate on where to put utility customers uh the cost of lines is typically borne by the developers we've been pretty consistent across the county on that none of them okay but if the road was going to go in wouldn't have been cheaper to do it as the road was going to get built and put it apart into a plan to make a point on 56 they four laned it no water no we don't do that the developers do not yeah typically i mean would it be less expensive the answer is yes but there is a cost to maintain that infrastructure and if it is unused then it can be more expensive to maintain or not function the way it's intended it's it's pushed back so as far as looking at the cost these guys get hooked up they're going to come in who else along that line are we going to get to hook up we would have to see the development patterns i mean i i assume that most of the residences are on septic systems or or or the like so i mean that's that's a costly venture so it would be other probably commercial or other types of developments that would crop up along the way i would assume so whatever you'd find up and down on ridge road because it's not going down the owners bringing that line out right yeah they're going to run into that yeah he's paying for the line right but then when you're going to run the maintenance of it when you've got to go pump sewage from one spot to another spot it gets expensive to keep on moving up and down though speaking yeah there is there is a cost associated with that but our rates account for that all right so again um i just look at going from res one around there going to res 24. it's just it's not compatible anyone else i would like to address a few uh the concerns that um citizens have brought up one of course the developer was investing in around 800 000 to put in the sewer lines when we talk about traffic and it's very important because that traffic has been there for over 10 years for the number of students that go to tanglewood there's 670 students there's 512 bus riders and out of those 512 bus riders 12 of them live within tanglewood and then 500 live outside tanglewood of course there's only one walker and then as for car riders there's 150 car riders after speaking to the pasco county school district i had mentioned what about courtesy

buses and they said they have already deemed it unsafe for students to walk in tanglewood to school and therefore every student that lives with inside tanglewood is eligible to have bus transportation so i think regardless of anything that needs to be addressed and students need to be picked up by the bus again with those statistics there's a traffic safety commission monthly for the school board and they can also apply for the safe routes to school which is a federal grant that will put in sidewalks at no cost to residents also i know someone mentioned the lighting there is a work order in for the lights at tanglewood and ridge road and also for tanglewood and sweet bay through with the couching next was the airport so a lot of the airport concerns because it was my concern initially initial initially and the when the airport and hidden lake had brought it to my attention i initiated and we are now implementing the airport protection plan the airport protection plan protects public use airports and i insisted on hidden lake being included in that public use being included in the airport protection plan pasco county is paying 15 to 16 thousand dollars for their sound study and we're also including hidden lakes in the airport to have a voice and a representative on the airport commission and again they already mentioned the airport lines are higher than the multi-families and i think the rest are for later also it was mentioned in i think staff's presentation or someone's presentation that law enforcement did not have a concern with this project so law enforcement is involved with deciding if it's going to cause an impact a negative impact on the county and also they had mentioned 800 thousand dollars in ad valorem law enforcement does get 50 of the growth of the ad valorem taxes to meet the needs of our citizens thank you thank you commissioner oakley yeah everyone knows i'm for this project i feel it fits in the pattern here very well i think it's a good project i think it's uh well designed and it's basically within itself it's 300 foot back from any other property near it uh travel patterns are worked but i

honestly believe it'll be a project that once it's built everybody will be proud of it an area and i don't believe they will notice this there in a sense because it will be a very upscale project and with that i move for approval second thank you and i'm i'm gonna say uh you know we we talk a lot about multifamily up here and um and someone brought up the moratorium that's in commissioner moore's district and yeah there are a lot of apartment complexes over there and you know i'm starting to see a lot of them pop up on 54. and it's a it is um something that we need to look at i actually had a um a very good company came to meet with me from indianapolis wanting to build an apartment complex on 54 near starkey boulevard and we just um terry and i met with them multiple times it's not a good place i mean there's some places that are okay and there are some places that are not so we're not rubber stamping multi-family by no means but in my mind this is not in tanglewood this is on ridge road and just like the community college is not in tanglewood it's on ridge road and paul airpower and commissioner mariano there's going to be a professional office variant you know there's the opportunity for intensity right across the street and i'm sure they're going to use that that um sewer system too so there's there's there's no doubt that ridge road is going to become a more intensified corridor we've put a lot of investment there and that's one of our major east west roads so this is um a scaled down apartment complex it's not as big as it originally was they've taken out the carriage apartments they've they've done everything to accommodate the neighborhood above than what i think they needed to do um and uh i'm gonna you know also vote for it um so call for questions i will call for the question phone call vote roll call i'm just making sure that like who who is the motioner uh commissioner oakley and commissioner thank you district 2 commissioner oakley how about district 1 oh my gosh we haven't had a meeting go this late now are you okay i need some sugar district 1 commissioner oakley with an eye district 2 commissioner moore district 4 commissioner fitzpatrick aye district 5 commissioner mariano district 2 our district 3 chairman starkey aye

okay so it passed okay now we do 127 126. okay so this is oh i did want to say um jack we didn't change any land uses when we did the earth am i saying that right yeah we didn't do any changes my understanding is in 200 2006 update none of the future land use maps got changed but yeah it's work hey commissioner starkey yeah can i just say something real quick if you don't mind and we always appreciate no matter how we vote we voted different on this one okay but that's okay but at the same time and madam chair i don't want you to say it because how the some people are referencing but just please you know you know it's a tough job for everybody up here just when you come up don't disparage the commissioners and say and and try to threaten with votes and things like that because i can tell you it doesn't help okay it just doesn't so please just add a courtesy you may disagree that's okay we don't always agree but you know idle threats don't go very far all right madam chair commission members jessica cole with planning and development department this is did receive some ex partes on this item which have been given to the clerks item p 126 is pdd22 in the name of caroline as sells trustee for a requested change in zoning from er estate residential to mpud master plan unit development district to allow for 230 apartment units and 10 000 square feet of commercial office uses on approximately 21.45 acres i'm going to skip through the projects details as we have heard those pretty extensively this evening but i do want to call out the deviations that were requested by the applicant land development code 402 to c8 allows for the board to consider variations from the land development code if the proposed variations meet or exceed the intent of the code the applicant is seeking the following variations from section 805 restrictions on postland post development wetlands upland buffers within residential lots and non-residential parcels this provision requires post-development wetlands to be planted as tracks along with their upland buffers in res one and lower of our future land use classifications we do allow for projects to conserve the wetlands as easements rather than planted tracts and per-staff analysis with the

project being a sole user this intent of preserving the wetlands and their upland buffers can still be met with the easements and other instruments rather than planning as tracts the second deviation is from 901.6 d 11 street design and dedication requirements that requires all projects connect to adjacent properties to continue existing street patterns per staff analysis providing the interconnection to the adjacent properties west of the subject site is not possible due to the platinum subdivision an inter connection to the south would require impacting a category 2 wetland therefore the applicant is proposing to provide vehicular connection to ridge road and an emergency access only to tanglewood the next deviation being sought is 905.2 c1 g the use of existing non-invasive plant materials to accommodate the applicant's buffers landscape buffers our current code requires the applicant submit an alternative standard application to utilize these stats analysis identifies that the use of non-inves invasive existing vegetation is encouraged to protect healthy and viable vegetation while also assisting in erosion the landscape buffer requirements in conjunction with the existing vegetation can be verified at the time of construction plan review and approval therefore the applicant is proposing to meet the landscaping requirements set forth in the conditions of approval and to use the existing non-invasive vegetation to meet those requirements where feasible i would also like to call out that the agenda memo did neglect to note a further deviation from the land development code that is being sought it is found in condition 38 of the impeding conditions of approval it is to allow for parking spaces to be uh calculated at 1.9 cumulatively for the development rather than the 2.25 that it would require according to our land development code and then the subsequent uses of the non-residential uses per use in our parking tables staff's analysis did note that this project is within a quarter mile of a bus stop which will allow for the automatic reduction without this approval but our multi-family projects do encourage a reduction in parking so that we can use our pathway pedestrian and non-vehicular access points to get to these non-residential uses rather than people having to use their vehicles and park it is to encourage the non-vehicular use of the non-residential uses for the site as a whole the applicant as you heard also just sought a comprehensive plan amendment for pd this mpd rezoning petition does not become effective until the corresponding

plan development future land use classification becomes effective the planning commission did hear this mpud petition on november 28th and with chairman gray recusing himself did unanimously vote for approval the proposed request is inconsis is in compliance with the land development code and the applicable provisions of the comprehensive plan this is a presentation of the master plan proposed and also at the november 18th planning commission the commission did ask if the applicant would be willing to substantially comply with the conceptual plan that was presented so it was incorporated in the mpud conditions of approval and presented in the packet and presented here this item comes to you with staff and planning commission recommendation of approval madam chair yes um i didn't have the opportunity to put in the publication may i do that now um item p126 was published in the tampa times on november 3rd 2021. thank you thank you okay barbara will heist it to 327 grand boulevard new port richie florida for the applicant uh mr steinstein what have you ever sworn would it be appropriate if i could just have the same records that were before that we had received and filed received and filed over here and then just have the same testimony um received as well you can ask for your presentation that was made in the comprehensive plan case to be added to this presentation rather than doing it again could we did they receive and file or agree to that or emotion to receive another motion yes second uh move to move to wait just move receive and file her previous presentation no they they made the motion i say all in favor boy we're getting bad up here thank you very much i do have two conditions of i want to go over but let's go ahead and listen to the public and then we'll come back and because i noticed i was remiss in not having a specific condition that prohibits the sewer extension on tanglewood so i'll bring that back to you when after this in a public comment thank you all right we have two individuals signed up for this item uh first person signed up is ann corona and who else who else is there okay the next person is a sonny farah moved from afternoon to evening so good evening commissioners um my name is ann corona 7615 tanglewood drive newport richie i have been sworn i find myself in the same position for the fourth time unfortunately interesting enough interestingly enough on the anniversary of pearl harbor day we have felt embattled in our

neighborhood since the inception of this plan march of 21 and contin continue to feel that way i absolutely refuse to recognize the commission's inability to accept the fact that a four-story apartment complex in the middle of tanglewood is completely incompatible and discordant to tangled communities as a proposed site we are not a giant community of cookie cutter houses and arms breath apart we don't need roundabouts to navigate we have one small the main road is 11 feet wide it's very dangerous it's very windy with other roads that are similar in size and construction for a rural subdivision with residents who enjoy a quiet secluded existence in a neighborhood where we can spot a stranger in an incident where where people choose to live because they appreciate the serenity of nature and the beauty of wildlife we're deeply offended and disgusted at the mere thought of this architecturally bereft dense housing of unknown voyagers who have no roots in our community this alien blip on our radar has totally disrupted our lives since i recall the commission's statement that they prefer numbers and statistics over opinions and human emotions allow me to give you a few my husband and i have lived at our current 4 200 square foot five bedroom home on three and a half acres for over 35 years overlooking the pool is the treehouse my daughter grew up playing in with all her friends who went to cypress they also lived in tangled my mother drove them to school my family dentist my attorney my doctor across the street we have all lived here for over 40 years the roads in tanglewood are completely inadequate to support the need that would be created by dumping a thousand more residents and their vehicles are very dangerous uh especially in pick-up and delivery times right now mr mcconaughey can find another place to put himself say 19. i visited the sister complex and largo which is an industrial area which is right where it belongs put it on 19. that needs transformation the most interesting number is that that there's 2 000 influential voters that are going to be voting uh next and next election this location is simply ill ill-advised presents a danger to the community and school and is greed not need driven please take the moral ethical high ground here make the appropriate decision for the constituents of district 4 rather than forsaking their interests with a wink and a nod for the almighty dollar hi i'm sonny fair i've been sworn in eight zero one six calling court newport richie three four six five four i'm back up here um continuing this on a little bit i understand what's going on here it's and it makes sense and it doesn't whatever

it's a pretty good deal for the county you're going to get a sewer line for free you're going to get like a crap a little more tax dollar out of that property than what you're getting before financially whatever it makes sense but from but we're people we live here it's not always about the dollar a lot of people most of us live in tango at east it's not about money it's about the lifestyle and that's why we live where we do because of that lifestyle it's nice and quiet and this i pretty much resign you know all the the votes that have gone along that this is probably going to push through you guys are going to push this through you like you're going to go with the money and the builder and we the residents don't count in this in this issue so with that in mind i live on actually my address is actually calling court but i live on the on the corner of callan and sycamore sycamore drive has kind of become a main thoroughfare as a bypass when tanglewood is jammed up people coming through that want to go on to ridge road especially to go west they come down sycamore and then they can avoid the tanglewood entrance onto ridge road when this apartment complex goes in people coming in and going the apartment complex they're definitely coming down sycamore they're not going to go to the end of ridge or tanglewood make a left and then try to make another left to go in their apartments they're gonna come sycamore make a right on ridge and then make a right-hand turn right into their complex makes perfect sense i mean that's what i would do if anybody's coming in from trinity or from uh off of 54 anywhere in that area that's that's how they're coming and that's you know if they come off a starkey or or they come off like the cumulus and so my issue is is that's fine for tanglewood tanglewood is a county road that's paid for by the county and maintained by the county but sycamore isn't i pay for that i actually pay for two streets for calallen and sycamore in 2007 cost our family was over 11 000 bucks to have them both basically paved and assessed because i got hit with two roads now what i'm looking at here i'm paying and so are all the rest of the homeowners that live along sycamore we pay for that road but now we're going to be paying for a road that's going to get worn out probably four times faster than what it would have normally with the traffic just going in and out that comes through now naturally and then the traffic that's going to be coming in out of the apartment there never mind any existing building that's going to be taking place on a ridge road

i guess across the street north east of the airport there's like a whole apartment complex or condos or something going there's a big there's been a big billboard there for a long time saying that like condos are coming in there so that's even more traffic that's going to cut through personally i kind of like the ridge going down when it's open to go down the airport you might be a lot faster for me personally but again thank you so if you guys could do something about sycamore that'd be great make the thing a county road thank you um well i am going to look into that that's your district though i was going to ask if sycamore turns into a cut through road my car bala will it turn into an arterial or a will the county take it over we'd have to look at that i i don't know the answer yeah that's not not to be cited here but something to look into i just wrote it down thank you thank you um okay barbara and madam chair just for the record there's no one on webex for this oh thank you very much so i did hand out the first piece of paper here it's got two uh conditions for the mpud one is because like i said i was remit remiss it said we the condition 34 says we have to acknowledge that we have to do offsite utility improvements but it did not prohibit yes just because it's late can you call i don't see any public there but we only called the people that were on the sign up sheet so just so that we clear that up oh yeah is there anyone else that wants wants to speak to this issue is there anyone on webex or no one's on webex for this item yeah okay so close public comment but public comment is closed i'm looking for the paper you're talking about i don't know where it is so the first condition says the project will be required to connect into pasco county water and wastewater systems tanglewood drive should not be used for any water or wastewater extensions or connections for the project the second condition is a revision to condition one at the planning commission i was asked on the fly to um add the concept site plan um as a binding site plan and so we came up with a condition um but i wanted to it's this is like the how to language we're adding how does that binding site plan as it goes through the county's uh review process how does that happen for example commissioner stark he looked at the site plan and said i don't think the parking should be right there i think it'd be better if it was the building the mixed use building was right up against the park so we want to be able to make those minor changes and so this language allows for that process

i didn't come up with this language i took it from two rivers i took it from clark crobbies mpud that you approved from two rivers um they also had a plan that they were binding themselves to and that's where this language came from so if you would if you see fit to approve the mpud if you could make these two revisions to the conditions thank you you know i did see your site plan and i i do think that makes use building pulled up to a green space would be much more attractive for people to hang out you know the kids can play in the park or whatever so i made that suggestion that if it worked to move that over so adam chair yeah i move approval okay wait second with condition with speaking okay just a couple things um did you want to second it yes i second it with discussion so with the mixed use i agree to that i think that will be beneficial and also i did want to discuss even though they've already left the east tanglewood in reference to their wall and i know they were concerned with the sinkholes and the vibrations of their wall falling down would you be willing to install a eight to ten foot wall on the west side we can accommodate that we just have to change our buffer detail both in the sub-area policy because i have the same buffer detail in the sub-area policy mpd plan that provides for not only the 20-foot buffer and the arbor body landscaping but we can also do a wall within that 20 feet okay thank you and we'll just need to change the mpd plan wherever jessica went there she is and we have to change the suburban policy but with that understanding that we can change those we can do that thank you thank you madam chairman i'm done yeah um so in addition um miss cowell when she did her presentation talked about the parking um as part of the motion the board is going to have to find that the parking variation uh meets or exceeds the intent of the code okay if well what does that mean if that's the board's desire to reduce parking spaces for this project yeah did have a question on the parking do the garage parking spaces count as parking spaces the answer is yes and one thing i didn't say about this project not only did we bind ourselves to that concept plan and sudbury policies and landscape details we're also a muttering project and that's the basis for the parking reduction okay yes thank you so um and i'm going to say it again i and i consider myself a friend of ants and i guess we're just going to disagree that i don't feel this is in the middle of a neighborhood this is on ridge road major

one of the major arterial roads in the county it's the same road the community college is on and many other non-residential structures um also i've seen where people worry worry and then the reality isn't really what they've seen i've seen it over and over here so i'm confident that the neighborhood won't feel the impact like they think they will but i understand their fear i am wondering if tanglewood wouldn't be a candidate for safe routes to schools for a sidewalk and i think we should look at that um they will be added to the list yeah that if every every child in that subdivision has to take a bus to school there's something wrong with that road so there's only 12 within that neighborhood that's riding the bus 150 car writers so well we still need to add the safe routes to school so with that we have a anyone else want to make any comments okay um roll call vote no this is not a real quote not a roll call vote on this one all those in favor say aye opposed okay three to two we're done wait we have kids in our items we've got old business we got mr moore's got something well there's one we have to do they just had to put under my name because you had to wait till after the uh i could wait on all my other stuff i like i can wait on everything yeah i'm gonna wait on a lot of mine yeah so i can wait it's just one mismatch of chair there's one item that was discussed the last meeting that has to be brought forward today under my name because we had to wait until after the uh redistricting oratory map yeah that yes but commissioner oakley's first anyways i don't i don't have that mr oakley is there something you want to talk about uh if they'll put up my pictures i had a couple of guests come by the historic courthouse tom brady i don't know bon jovi somebody you might know if you'll notice oh came by they've uh set up a mailbox there so you have any young children or grandchildren or whatever it may be you can come by the historic courthouse on the north side and have them put their letter to santa in and it will be answered thank you oh look at that those two young ladies are my secretary's granddaughters and they're very charming so very cute so

with that merry christmas to everybody that's basically all i had for that so much no more thank you man um i did have a couple you have my pictures i'm going to like do this like in 30 seconds i have all this can wait till the next meeting especially adam had to leave i just wanted to show that and sally while you're getting ready i just wanted to show that my fellow commissioners something i i run into on a regular basis in the wesley chapel area my son um practicing plays golf a lot at lexington oaks golf club if you know where lexington oaks is i live in seven oaks which is literally 5.9 5.9 miles away it's taken me 45 minutes to go 5.9 miles leaving lexington oaks wesley chapel boulevard two bruce b downs to get to my house between the hours of like 4 15 and 5 o'clock uh this one if you keep going real quick you want to be fast crazy yeah it's crazy keep well that's a great picture there huh this side just turn your head your card turn it so you can see and what i wanted to show you is if you keep going forward you'll see how this traffic is not damn it can you flip it it's not going on somebody look at this right here i4 so it takes once you get on once you get on 75 you know it's it's taken only 18 to 21 minutes to get to i4 but it's taking 45 minutes for me to go 5.9 miles if you keep going up a little bit next next one okay that's the traffic keep going okay look look at that turn lane nobody's going on 75 that's all the traffic within pasco county on wesley chapel boulevard and 54. just wanted to make you aware of this we have a lot of things coming up in that area area i just showed you is the exact area that our apartment complex was recently approved another one in front of lexington oaks another one's being built a block away if you go around the corner that's that one that got approved on bruce b dowds and there's a couple more there coming up for votes in the future this road can't handle any more i mean when i say no more no more 45 minutes i'm a county commissioner and i'm fired up i should never have to sit that long in traffic obviously our citizens that's not a good quality of life thankfully you know the staff was looking into some things we had to even look at timing on the on the lights and things like that but it's not gonna it's not gonna fix your area grew 47 yeah so listen appreciate everything it's just nothing more can go around that area we can't we can't handle anymore the citizens can't have any more

that's it for that i'll wait on everything else sally can you take it away last commission meeting i'm sure everybody's been briefed and updated by the team um commissioner mariano brought it up possibly about since the line district's change about extending that moratorium into what will be now my new district okay i have not been briefed on anything oh well i thought you would have been interesting across the street on 56 and 54 which is like that northwood area in all that area to include into expanding it but i thought the team would have updated everybody but okay uh sally shulman assistant county administrator development services um no there was no briefing because it was really um the direction was wait until we see how the redistricting maps are approved and then come back and discuss the expansion of the area that that they wanted to see as far as the moratorium there were two areas that staff roughly identified as expansionary and that's old pasco road to wesley chapel boulevard just east of bruce b downs then due north to i-75 up to overpass road and then expansion area two would be collier parkway to county line um to mansford boulevard and to state road 5456 and those were the areas that were preliminarily discussed um with regard to the expansion area uh for the moratorium can you say that one more time okay is this your district is it's still within the commissioner's dude it stops it most of it stops again i'm fine all right we got it all right i'll make a motion second um so on 54 how far over does it go so at 54 it's it's still remember previously it stopped around bruce b downs yeah so oh i'm sorry that way right no go the other way i'm sorry another one that's jamming down there too yeah i'm sorry yeah coir and up to can you show them on the map make it a little easier to show them we are across the street across that highlighted section there below um because how the the districts how the districts are arranged now some of um commissioner starkey's district still comes down off 41. curbs around and so it's yours too right that's right somebody's yours she's she's west of 589. but how far past county road 54 does it go yeah you're about a mile or so right right that's 56 county road 54 going across how far down does that go and this is a portion of that section excluding there's a little area right next to um the um there's a little area that's cut out

of the um outlet mall there's a dri there all right that's all right that's down 56 though correct i'm i'm i'm saying up by will you take your left on 581 to go election can oaks yes that goes in that so that go that curves in now and it goes down the other way it goes down to the area that used to be yes over on old pasco road it extends down to old pasco now which was previously taken out of the way east west east east on wesley chapel boulevard which turns into 50 to 581 your district no well just yeah no it goes to 581. it goes to briefly downs that's where they bring it out it goes to 581 yes it doesn't go past that it still does and that's how it was to the north it goes it takes in the grove and some other areas because it's still a disaster down the other way too i mean why were you taking your pictures still yeah some of that well hopefully when overpass opens will be some of that will calm down it'll be like a half an hour right now you you can't get across the overpass bridge so you have to come down or go up yeah go ahead and call the motion good idea well all right okay can i madam sure can i make one uh first i just want to tell the bayless thank you so much you are free to go home yes thank you thank you so much [Laughter] thank you all unless they're hiding outside please rejoice i did have that warning once don't go out the door with commissioner starkey okay so madam chair to be clear this is not something the board can adopt today it requires an ordinance change so i think you're giving direction to staff to bring forward bring it back an ordinance yeah this is the the ordinance was already directed they're just clarifying the boundaries that are supposed to i think commissioner moore was about to make a motion i want to be clear that we're not we have to make a motion to bring it back to a date which would be january 7th or what is that date and date yes the last one went to the planning commission yes you do have to go through the planning commission mm-hmm can we just circumvent the planning commission well i mean saying because now we're looking at january now we're going to go into february can they make it yeah they want to speak they can make it retroactive if they want to but right and that's what you did when i gave you that advice i know i i i appreciate it i've been still i just don't understand how why this would have to go from the planning commission i'm still baffled can i just wait make one more comment that little carved out area is not a dri that's

king ranch which is it's got a plan amendment associated with it but it does not have any mpd approval or dri approval so i mean if you want to exclude it i guess you can i just don't want you to assume it's being excluded because it's a dri the dri is north of that the mall is the deer right yeah yeah that's just leave it as is so it's excluded that little portion is next to the next to the outlet mall okay because there's already been some stuff for through the years and like i've said before if somebody's going that far all right and please you know send anyone who wants to put one there to 19. yes that's a great idea thank you for that chairman madam chair that's a great idea so i told the ones in 54. and then we need to call them up three quick items okay but we need a call i'm sorry do you need to call the motion no it's staff direction right i thought you said we had to make the motion to move forward no we can't make a motion yeah okay if as long as staff knows what okay to advertise for the moratorium giddy up we're good fine we're good thank you sorry about that all right christine you're up i just would like to say i did attend the kringle jingle so 5k race for toys for tots so if you do see a toys for tots box out in the community please be as generous as you can and drop a toy in secondly because we discussed this earlier of course airports are an economic driver and they're a good thing to have in the county we have interlocal agreements with them staff is actively working on the airport zoning regulations that will protect the future use and expansion of the airports the regulations will not be effective until later 2022 as the adoption process is lengthy and staff is doing the work without expert help so they are learning as they go i'm proposing that we put a place a moratorium on the development around the airports to protect the airports until the airport protection plan can be adopted staff currently has maps that are referred to as part 77 surface maps that can be used to identify the moratorium area around each of the airports and i'm proposing the six-month extension six-month moratorium with the option to extend for an additional six months if needed would you repeat that please that's probably not something i would support it does everyone have this it's just basically it's putting a moratorium around the airport so within the airport protection plan it's about 1500 feet around hidden lakes is an example of the moratorium just and this is just until staff can finalize the documents for the airport

zoning regulation i thought that was i thought i was almost done were we not going to like approve it today you approve the competition sally sherman assistant administrative development services we're in the process of selecting a consultant to do the airport noise study so we do anticipate once we select a consultant that it's not going to really take an inordinate amount of time um i mean i'm i'm okay with it isn't there there's an air that compact is that your airport in your district which one compact column park it's not yeah hidden lakes tampa north arrow park pilot country well they already have all their entitlements so yeah sorry she's just asking a question about coming up for hills yeah set for hills you want more time around sephiroth can do it more somebody's up here yeah that's not in the county city yeah it's a city and they don't get included yeah i mean there's nothing around i'm trying to compare i'm just wondering if it's necessary that's all moratorium is a you know it's a big stick [Music] that's why it was only in the last until it was finalized okay and then the last item would be to make a motion for ann corona to be on the commission of status of women wonderful yeah uh all in favor aye aye commissioner mariano thank you um i mentioned to the board a while ago i had some folks that might be looking at hudson beach uh adam thomas had actually recommended it one time where sam's restaurant is the county owns the parking area there that he says you know would be a good place to put a hotel if we could increase the parking going above and i've got someone that actually submitted an unsolicited unsolicited request uh talked to dan about it uh him keith wiley parks and adam are all going to talk together and put something together it's going to be something that goes out for bid but there is interest for that so that could be coming up down the road um next thing i know we've got a lot of emails and we had two speakers today about the rabbits um you know when i look at petco and petsmart stop selling in 2007 is that something we want to go i'd actually entertain talking about it right all right so let me make a motion to have staff bring us something back about banning the sales of rabbits based upon what the uh well it's the yeah i mean you can still recognize i don't know i'm fine let's just do it but let's let's bring some let's have

secretary gwen i had multiple calls with them and jeff and dan this week so if you heard that today that's news i haven't heard so thank you thankfully it was i was told 56 but well 56 is a whole different project yeah okay but that was also dab was it not yes yeah but they've already started that project they started that project a month ago okay yeah and well that's what was going on they were trying to and i hate to say it i think they're trying to use the county as leverage and uh it's not cool not dot's fault you're nuts yes ma'am um during the investment semi-annual investment update um the investment advisor heard loud and clear about investing in the municipals in within the state of florida so we did did hear that it is a very small portion of the portfolio but it is the um the will of the of the board so it'll it'll happen i did want to let you know that um the they gave me information sent me a text about the new jersey turnpike because that was a discussion on it and their last report on september 30th 2021 they did report that they were around four percent above the budgeted net revenues um again that was in f set from september at the end of september and also expecting the turnpike revenues um to increase in conjunction with an increase in toll fees so while transitioning away from it just wanted to make sure that you knew that the last thing that i wanted to talk about was a community event which is the 27th annual holiday food giveaway and that is going to be on friday december 17th held between 9 00 a.m and 11 a.m at faith baptist church right off of ridge road oh here do you want that um and um it is um really organized by our tax collector senator mike fazano and there's a whole bunch of elected officials in addition to myself who are co-hosting it uh supervisor of elections brian corley the um pasco sheriff chris naco mike wells our property appraiser senator ed hooper and senate president wilton simpson so just want to make sure that the community is aware of the event and it'll be a food giveaway great okay thank you um um mr files any update on ridge road opening i i did mention to you i forgot to tell you secretary gwen told me two weeks ago he had the tolling equipment so what what is the uh update on ridge road opening getting closer ah okay it'll be this mod it'll be this month in december it'll be in december well you're gonna give us advanced time that we have our calendars is there a ribbon cutting so better available plan is the second it can open to traffic it will open to traffic and we will have a big event at some point after that okay good night but i'm not gonna

not let traffic go on it because of ours because we have an event we need to schedule because we gotta coordinate a ton of different calendars for that now we may have doing some kind of small parade or something that day but nothing big okay so um i have a number of things here but i'm gonna skip most of them i'm gonna um i was gonna bring out the rabbits but i'm glad you did i just wanted to tell you i had a conversation with the school district uh administration about the penny for pasco and um i don't know if you got it i've got the timeline from last time we did the penny for pasco so i'm going to make sure you all get this and we'll discuss it further in the january meeting but it's time to get moving on um our plans for the next penny okay yeah we're in good shape for that we're already working it i know but we have a responsibility and we're gonna have our hands in it yeah okay merry christmas all right merry christmas hit your gavel before you leave yeah there you go there you go you had to hit that cable today [Music]

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