11.09.2021 Pasco Board of County Commissioners Meeting (Morning Session)

oh i uh what i did well even if she did okay [Laughter] [Applause] is [Music] it's 10 30 yesterday morning [Music] that's all i can tell you okay ready jack good morning i would like to call to order the pasco county board of county commission 10 am meeting of november 9th 2021 at this time please silence all electronic devices and mutual microphones please rise for the invocation and pledge o merciful creator your hand is open wide to satisfy the needs of every living creature make us thankful for your loving providence and grant that we remembering the account that we must one day give may be faithful stewards of your good gifts amen to the flag of the united states of america and super republic for which it stands one nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice for all madam clerk please call district 2 commissioner moore here district 3 commissioner starkey district 4 commissioner fitzpatrick district 5 commissioner mariano here district one chairman oakley here you'll notice we have two of our fellow commissioners out today and we do have a quorum here with the three that are here today uh at this time now is the time for public comment citizens are given an opportunity to comment on any item coming before the board on on items or on items placed on any future board agenda or other business under their preview today's public comment will be handled as follows first we will take public comment from those who are here in person then we will take public comment from those who are pre-registered on webex link and currently on queue if this format does not weigh the request that when you address the board comments are directed personal or not directed personally toward a team member or commissioner and rather directed at the issues this provides mutual respect between the board members and the public for webex and in-person participants after stating your name and address for the clerk the buzzer will be activated will start a countdown after two minutes a beat will sound letting you know that one minute remains after your time is up

two beeps will sound indicating three minutes have passed and it is time to close your comments webex participants will be automatically uh closed at the time when their time is up the following people have signed up to speak today madam clerk i have six uh people signed up so i will call mountain names of three we have first wesley hawkins followed by larry lewis and then tanya sawyer if mr hawkins could approach the podium please state your name and address for the record and then mr lewis um will be up next thank you my name is uh wesley hawkins i live on driver lane in spring hill florida but also i need to say that that's good you may start okay i'm here about flying the american flag there's a company over on route 52 that's flying a some other kind of a tinkered religious flag i have parkinson's so i have a little trouble anyway above the american flag and i call this man and i explained to him that that's not the way it should be he gave me some religious talk and then he told me this is god-given right and and that if i want to come to this church service i can learn about it well i did different avenues of trying to figure out how to correct this and it turns out that pasco county does not have an ordinance on flying the american flag this one's flung correctly and uh i've called the newspapers they don't care i call the laker they don't care i called the uh code enforcement nothing can be done about it uh i don't know if i'm in the right place to talk about this or not i'm a vietnam veteran my brothers are veterans i just don't know what to do the florida department of state has a a protocol on flying the flag the united states itself has a uh uh what do you call it code chapter title four chapter one which states that no other flag repentance should be placed above or on the same level to the right of the flag of the united states except during church services conducted by naval chaplains at sea when the church pennant may be flown above the flag during church services for personnel of the navy only it just seems like we're kind of losing something here uh in my own place is there anything i can do can you help me i'm not getting an answer i think maybe let the accounting return let me let the county attorney well mr chairman that there is a state

statute on flying on the flag and how it's flown and that sort of thing um i'm not aware of many local governments that get into the realm of flag protocol that's a federal the uh the uh florida department of state uh says the state the united states flag is considered a living thing in the union being the honor point which of course is the stars it also states the union of the flag and the flag itself when the company with other flags is always given the honor point mr chairman if i'll allow him andy once get with this gentleman because we're not supposed to talk back and forth during uh during public comments so what i'm going to do is andy's my legislative aide andy's going to get your information i will give you a call today or tomorrow and have a discussion with you okay sound good okay all right thank you okay good morning my name is uh live at 37 399 north side drive in separate hills florida i'm just outside the city limits and what it is i turned in a petition to have cool wood and kyle black topped and last november the board passed to have these two roads blacktops well in august we got a letter and it stated that by november middle of november they hope to have this resolved and have the rhodes blacktop which that's only a week away but the problem is and it's been the problem all along that there's no ditches on this road uh uh kyle leading into cool wood and the problem is that the downhill grade the water runs wishing warship across it and then if we blacktop that road without doing these ditches first like they'd already suggested it should be done it's not going to solve the problem so first thing we need to do and they said that they were going to have his blacktop by the middle of november we probably need to get these ditches fixed first and what they said that they was going to do when they surveyed this several years ago they told me they was going to bring it down like in blocks to slow the water down along the edges and you won't believe this but at the end of kyle when it goes into cool wood they they trying to run the water around the corner would you believe that but that's what's happening and there's a big ditch on the other side so they should have put a covert across there to start with the roth crossed that road i mean to do it right before they even do this blacktop so i just wanted to bring it to you guys attention i appreciate you if you would take a

look into it and we try to do this right to start with okay all right thank you for your comments somebody get with him you talking is this guy going to help me yeah yeah that's mr cavallo the director of utilities he'll talk to you about it right following miss sawyer is uh richard emmons pastor troy peterson and pastor danny fields thank you hi i'm tanya sallier 10-700 philly lane in hudson florida you guys can probably guess why i'm here after um we i saw my driveway for the first time in uh quite a while and after the rain uh this last week it's now underwater again as is the street not as much as of course during the summer but it's still an issue um i do would like to publicly thank uh mr mike cavallo if you sent him out so he can't hear this um he has been very responsive to me um he did request pictures of the underside of the house i went to take them and found um we have an uninvited tenant um a water moccasin he's rather large he's living there uh this is on top of the two that my neighbor killed the first killed in that area um on in years um that were sitting in the path where his four-year-old granddaughter walks go collect eggs um the flooding is driving them closer and closer to the houses so you know we have yet another danger that's coming out of this flooding um i bring you pictures of the snakes but they're not particularly photogenic you probably don't want to see it um he'll move shortly and i'll be able to get the pictures um as soon as the water drops back a little bit it's just their their pattern when the water raises they do need some place dry so i will get the pictures that he requested um and it but i keep coming up with the same thought is it seems to me that in order to figure out how to fix the problem we have to look at what happened two years ago before the problem started something happened in the area uh be it we didn't have excessive rainfall we didn't have um any uh projects within the neighborhood now there were projects around the neighborhood but somewhere somewhere along the line our drainage was blocked and i'm going to keep it brief because i know you guys are really busy you have a wonderful day thank you mr emmons

hey mr chairman yeah maybe ask everybody to pull the mic up because everybody in the back saying they can't hear they're they're waving that they can't hear again maybe if they pull the microphone up a little higher i don't know if it bends in the end there you go good morning my name is richard evans i live at 2809 bramble ridge court holiday florida 34691 i live in the subdivision of gulf trace and i'm here to [Music] ask pass out to all the board commissioners i've asked for a foia of some of the documents of that was involved with that transaction to motion receiving file second got a motion receiving file second all those in favor say aye all right motion pass okay thank you i feel that uh the county uh didn't do the proper thing with our road uh we voted it down and because um you guys went ahead and did it without did asking us to vote again he basically broke the law i feel with the with the the law that was cited in the letter that we received from the county telling us that the motion was uh voted down and it said you had to wait for a year to to present it again unfortunately you all didn't seem to do that you waited less than six months and you voted through other means and what i'm saying is i don't think that you know you guys skipped around a law that said it was voted down and you had to wait a year and you didn't do that and then when our hoa attorney asked for information you sent it to us we got it however i didn't need 13 different copies of probably 50 green card certified receipts returned to me the interesting thing uh folks is that there was no you still have a minute no numbers and when you're looking at an issue of dollars and cents whether you're buying a house or a car or everything you want to know how much it's going to cost you and then if you buy it you want to make sure you if they purchase order you hire somebody you get an invoice and and then the payment none of that was given to us so i'm requesting with foia information which i was under advice was recommended to me by the police department to present you all with foia so that you

would give us the that inc adequate financial information and at that time i'd like to review it and and then if everything's hunky-dory fine but i think that with the situation being where it was voted down and then you basically ignored that and just went ahead and did it on your own if that is the case why didn't we have to vote why did you have to have us vote thank you for your time have a great day thanks for your comment yes sir miss jim i think we can address that real easy and quick mr mayor thank you sir right there go ahead so i think when we do a paving assessment we put it out there for a vote if you guys vote it down you can't bring it back up through a petition leader and go through that regular process but mr steinsteiner we have the authorities on board to make it a board initiated and voted through don't we that's correct that's what the ordinance is again i don't know the legalese i'm not an attorney all i know was that it was voted down we got a letter from the public works saying that it was voted down and that that could not be brought back for another year that procedure you never brought it back correct you never brought it back for a second vote you went ahead you had a workshop you you had people come over and it's funny there what the vote was like 95 to 75. but i bet of the 50 people that showed up at your workshop probably most of them were the ones that voted for it because i never heard about it sir and and my claim is that if you if you were going to do it on your own anyhow regardless of why bother asking us to vote and my point is according to that law all of this should have waited another year and you should took another slam at it now that says that you can override these things sir you're the expert here i don't know about these things right and i just want to stop you so you understand i'm just saying i'm just reading and what we'll do is we'll send you a copy of the entire ordinance that gives shows we have the authority if we decide that we still want to do it even though it was voted down we have the authority to do so it's just called board initiated we'll send you that documentation so you can read it and you'll understand how we also want the numbers sir okay i understand but i'll say we'll send you the order so you can read it and you'll understand it and if you have any questions from there we'll be happy to go for it like i said i know to make those accusations though about what we're doing what we've done i'm going to say

and the county attorney just backed it up we had the authority to do a board initiative not through that regular process it was done first but a secondary process that we have the authority to go do if we think a road needs to be done it should be done so we'll send you that documentation i like i said i'm not a lawyer all i know is what i've was read and given and if and if you have uh like i said if you can override a vote we can then you should have never bothered us with the vote no we always give the opportunity to feel what the people want but we still reserve the right to have the vote amongst ourselves to make a vote as elected officials to make the decision for what we think is right to do see this is these are things that that's really i'm getting a foyer i want this information no problem because i have to explain to my subdivision why we're paying what we're paying for a road that we didn't want in the first place but this was going your your association attorney this was going on the discussion was had before that vote even took place so what's your association attorney advising you what did the attorney advise us i mean he gave us this stuff and and you know we paid him to get this information we asked for the information and all we got was most of it in fact no no sir so the question that the question i really am asking you is you stood up here and said that the board the process the board engaged in was illegal what i'm telling you is my staff and your attorney had a discussion before the vote was taken and he understood exactly what process it was going through so i'm not quite sure how you come and say i am not i'm i am a member of the hoa but this is only on me mr ellis gave us this information and when we reviewed it it looked like we couldn't see why we got no information about what ajax was charged what they were what they quoted in facts or you're that's a different you're you're i'm just saying you're changing you're changing the argument now i'm on my own and i'm just looking at this from what we were given and like for example the bid kit from ajax or from the bid kit that was given out 255 pages we got the template we didn't get a single number or anything entered on a 255 page it was uh solicitation ifb dash ml-19-040 empty this one 55 pages of nothing what's going on here you know and that's why i'm so sorry you put in a public records request it's been given the

chaplains here and have you guys pray and if you ain't comfortable you could establish chaplains and that's what we're here for we are christians we are a nation is founded on government principles with god's word and so i just hope through all that and i i know the lawyer he has to go by the laws that he's given but if you really research the laws as well and see what our founders and stand up yourself and with those on this panel we do have the right to do it and so we will check out the laws in that area and we will come back and we will continue to come uh to partner with you to make things happen for our communities and and for our government with faith-based church and the people working together in government leading younger leaders so i just thank you that you will lead and you will lead in in truth in jesus name amen thank you for your comments mr chair that is all that has signed up and just for the record i wanted to let you know that only one person had pre-registered on webex and um that was uh pastor peterson and he is here in person so okay all right so that ends the public comment portion of our meeting and we'll move on to our resolutions out of clerk please read the one resolution we have rs1 is anyone here for national hospice and palliative care month if you are please thank you please step forward to the podium resolution number 22-0-1-1 a resolution by the board of county commissioners of pasco county florida declaring the month of november as national hospice and palliative care month and commending gulfside healthcare services for its outstanding service and dedication to the citizens of pasco county whereas hospice and palliative care provide the highest quality of care to patients and families and bring comfort love and respect for all those they serve in communities across the nation and here in pasco county florida and raz hospice care and palliative care providers take the time to ask what's important to those they care for and listen to what their patients and family say and whereas hospice and palliative care professionals including physicians nurses social workers therapists counselors health aides and clergy provide a comprehensive and compassionate care that make the wishes of each patient and family a priority and whereas through pain management and symptom control caregiver training and assistance in emotional and spiritual support patients are allowed to live fully up until the final moments surrounded and supported by the faces of loved ones

friends and committed caregivers and raz the provision of quality hospice and palliative care reaffirms our belief in the essential dignity of every person regardless of age health or social status and that every stage of human life deserves to be treated with the utmost respect and care whereas every year more than 1.6 million americans living with life-limiting illnesses and their families receive care from the nation's hospice programs in communities throughout the united states with 4020 patients cared for by gulf side hospice in pasco county and raz more than 468 000 trained volunteers contribute 22 million hours of service to hospice programs annually with 27 041 hours of service being provided by locally being provided locally by golf sides more than 180 volunteers and raz hospice and palliative care providers encourage all people to learn more about options of care and to share their wishes with family loved ones and their health care professionals now therefore be it resolved by the board of county commissioners of pasco county florida that said board hereby declares the month of november as national hospice and palliative care month in pasco county and commends gulf side health care services for its outstanding service and dedication to the citizens of pasco county done and resolved with a quorum present and voting this ninth day of november 2021 for approval second motion of a second all those in favor say aye aye aye motion pass 3-0 welcome and thank you for all that you do for us you're welcome and thank you very much i'm linda ward this is kirsty churchill we're honored to be here it's always a pleasure to be with our board of county commissions for this proclamation and just a few things about gulf side health care services in particular gulf side hospice we've been serving pasco county exclusively for 32 years and today on our service we have over 640 hospice patients in pasco county and 250 palliative care patients and we love working with all of you we appreciate your support we partner with all our hospitals in the county and healthcare organizations to serve our community so thank you very much thank you thank you if you would let's uh go down and take a picture um okay [Music] okay thank you very much [Music] [Applause] okay and now is the time for our consent agenda i have a pull sheet with c8 to pull and revise c34 to pull and revise is there any other items you'd like to

pull at this time move the approval remainder of the consent agenda second motion a second to approve the remaining consent agenda all those in favor say aye just for the record it also includes the addendum consent yes okay i just wanna make sure that's on the record thank you okay so all those in favor say aye aye motion pass three zero we'll move on to c8 pull and revise mr chairman members of the board uh ca was pulled and revised at the clerk's request um to include the pages out of munis that have been distributed move approval otherwise got a motion a second all those in favor say aye aye okay motion pass three zero uh c34 good morning stacy ziegler purchasing director uh c-34 is a revision to the district we inadvertently put district 1 and it's actually district 2. just mr chairman just a quick comment after i saw this was pulled i reviewed this and i saw the company that won the bid they made a statement in their proposal so we're going to hold them to that it says we pledge the new wesley chapel library we'll receive our top priority so hopefully they're listening right now and we will hold them to that if this is going to be their top priority of all projects we appreciate that i got a motion a second all those in favor say aye aye i'll close black sign motion pass three zero thank you okay move on to my pages i'll get them [Applause] [Music] r 78 okay move on to our 79 public services all right good morning commissioners paul brakaldo director of support services before you is an amended resolution to change the composition of the opioid task force the original resolution established that one representative from the cities of seven hills and foreign would serve in alternate two-year terms the change that we're making um and due to the complexity of this issue is so that we can have participation from both municipalities at the same time and so that would allow both cities to serve jointly as part of the opioid task force and so that creates an additional seat for the city of new porucci which will be represented by deputy chief of police lauren latona and the city of suffrage hills by chief of police derek brewer and with that we asked them second got a motion in a second to approve all those in favor say aye aye aye all opposed like sign motion pass 3-0 and so the second item that we bring before you today is the county agreement plan which is one of

the requirements for us to qualify as a qualified county to obtain regional funding from the state the opioid abatement plan is based off of exhibit b from the proposed states memorandum of understanding this includes a compilation of wish list items from the community that were submitted by subject matter experts and members of the opioid task force this plan is not inclusive of all needs as we're still working through the data and information from our stakeholders in our community but we are planning on evaluating this plan on a quarterly basis and bringing it before you for any approval down the line the deadline by the stage just as a reminder is january 1st of 2022 this plan is divided into three sections specifically referring to treatment on section one and really just about supporting our communities their needs and connecting them to resources part two really specifically referring to prevention uh how to um connect with our subject matter experts to prevent the over prescription of opioids and creating additional harm reduction strategies in our community and section three specifically relating to first responders leadership planning and coordination at local government entities to help us provide wellness and support services as they deal with this epidemic on the ground and with that uh we recommend approval mister this fight yes mr robert just real quick um paula thank you for all you're working out there on this i know this this came to you kind of at the last minute so you had to put a lot of time into it there were a lot of moving parts and and uh option to bring this together and then the county attorney's office i know jordan wolfgram worked very hard on this as well and helped do a lot of heavy lifting so i know the commission appreciates everything you've done on this well thank you very much mr chairman yes sir um yeah i'm glad to see this coming forward as i say when we have future money down the road i want to take a look at how legislative they may change how the this agreement is but to get this out so quickly is fantastic i think the people are certainly going to be serving on a great i think the communities behind it as a matter of fact there's a couple of people i'm just going to pull the name up here that are very interested with the calvary church they have a community center i just played no charity event they had this weekend and afterwards she came to me uh and it's um uh estelle kirsch keshak and her husband don who ran they ran the event it's just you know we'd like to go do a fundraiser coming up to try to get money uh to help those that are maybe narcan and other things i says you know we've got a program running right

now the opioid task force we're gonna be approving on tuesday that let me put you in contact with our people and instead of raising money for that when we have money available hopefully um you can work on you know feeding the people through your community center instead so if you want if you don't mind i'll give you the their information you can reach out to them and you can try to see how they can help this uh program serve the people like this design as well we'd love to collaborate nice thank you thank you commissioner you have a motion submit motion second oh yeah you got emotions in favor say aye aye all opposed sign motion pass through thank you that's all of the regular agenda items at this time how about that we will uh move on to regular business because we have two people missing on our record so okay oh thanks thank you mr chairmans first i want to wish everyone a very thoughtful veterans day and thank everybody that served you know our great country i know we have a number of veterans here including yourself mr chairman so if everybody it's a veteran and serve give you good stance we can give you a round of applause mr chairman here's you as well [Applause] thank you all so very much and i also mr biles from that corrector or kathy you have pointed the new um head of the our veterans services and and rob moran is that correct so a veteran himself yesterday yeah so i know he's going to do a great job great really appreciate it and so for our veterans at home in our current active military just a reminder you can ride the buses for free year round it doesn't matter what day of the year it is not only a veteran day but year round so just a quick reminder on that for our veterans so again thank you all very much and happy veterans day i need to make a motion to weigh fees for a cancer awareness benefit we've done that i think every year since i've been here our local chapter of american cancer society is having a charity event on february 12th at heritage park atlanta lakes always a great event for a great cause so i would ask we could wave those park fees for that event on february 12 2022. second okay got a motion a second all those in favor say aye aye like that motion pass 3-0 okay one last thing i bring this up every year as well as you know the time changed again this uh past weekend right away from daylight saving time back to standard time so there's really no good reason why there's this strong push to con to continue this if you think about florida

and keeping daylight later people can enjoy time with their families they can enjoy you know the kids can play play out in the parks it's good for business and frankly it's just an outdated practice and in addition to that daylight saving also saves energy it prevents traffic accidents and it actually prevents crime as well so last year i was the chair and we wrote a letter to our to congress asking them to move forward with their bills this year there's two bills on the table um one by senator rubio which he's been a huge advocate for and senator scott's right along with them there's also one in congress too i think if i'm not correct was sponsored by congressman buchanan from florida um bill numbers are senate 623 and h.r 60 in the house so what i would ask if we could write a letter just like we did in the past to congress saying we support daylight saving year round we don't want to move back and forth again for all the benefits that i i mentioned a second ago because this bill sits there nobody you think of all the time they have and the things they're doing up there they might want to hear these two bills in a number of states i don't know if you're aware of it you know obviously our legislator passed past that bill bipartisan support that went up there but again they're not moving forward with it there's a number of states now that have done the same and their legislators have done the same again we just need congress to hear these again we have two great senators that are supporting it in the state of florida a num a number of members of congress and i was just asking we could write a letter in support you're the chairman now so we need to sign that letter so i'll make that motion if we're on agreement second got a motion a second to write that letter to congress on daylight saving time great and we we have that letter we can provide you with okay all right great all those in favor say hi hi hi all opposed like that motion pass all right thank you mr tim you have the we have it all worked out for you and um we'll just need you to sign it on our behalf and we'll we'll get it to the right people hopefully they'll listen to it and they'll pass it next week just we'll get it out of here all right that's it thank you sir all right mr mariano thank you mr chairman um i want to say thank you to mike carbella uh mike while you were out uh talking with the other person the lady tanya from philly lane was here thanking you for uh paying attention asking questions and going to see what you can do if there's a way that we can reach out and i don't know if it's fish a lot there's any way to get rid of those moccasins i don't know if there is but if we could do that i appreciate that next step too

um this coming week we've got a uh the following week we're going to be going to fac and there's an opening now for another representative for naco and i'd like to put my hat in the ring i've already got the paperwork going to do so for next week and second i'd like to get a motion support we got a motion in a second all those in favor say aye aye aye thank you okay motion pass 3-0 thank you and uh this past week i had some people that were going to be running an event up at sunwest and they were looking at doing different things in the county how they could possibly do them things i had no idea how much they were into development so much but when i uh went down to sam's we had went to hudson beach like two months ago we went to sam's at uh down at hudson beach and they talked about an idea that was brought actually adam thomas actually brought it up someone else had brought up before but adam on his own uh the parking lot behind sam's is county owned it kind of facilitates to help with sams with their parking as well as everything else in the region the number one comment we have done is we never have enough parking down there people like to go it's a perfect sunset place you know keith wiley's working with the uh dep to go put a seawall out around at least the county property we'll work on the rest of it later to go put a beach out there and the number one thing is well if you do that you're gonna need more parking when i presented the idea to these folks here about building a parking garage there and possibly a hotel above it possibly the rooftop bar they get really excited they i thought the best way to do it is maybe just have them come in and submit an unsolicited proposal bring something forward some type of an idea and start a conversation um i think would be phenomenal to accommodate the parking and just so you know i think i mentioned this before with the board if you look at the parking garage that newport richie built by kazu university uh to help with their overflow i took the overlay of that parking garage and it fits on that parcel so i think the potential to make this happen is good i'm gonna hopefully they'll come forward with something but i'm rather catching you flat forward it's actually might have some life to it to to bring it forward another situation and i talked to sally about this just before the meeting but on the coast for all these canal homes the streets are narrow if you park on the street you're gonna find a situation where a fire truck may not be able to get in and get through um i've got pictures on the camera i can i can get them out later on i don't think

let me do a timeline dan's got the pictures but every single home that's on a canal there has got a tremendous amount of pavers that are in front if not concrete in front i've always pushed to put in the back um when i was over to switzerland i made the comment around their waterways lake geneva takes all the runoff and there's a tremendous amount of asphalt and concrete they don't have a problem with the water quality my thinking is at least in the these canal homes that if somebody wants to put pavers around their whole front yard their whole backyard it should we should look at handling it differently than just um lot coverage the way it's done if they're going to put pavers especially there's still going to be some drainage that's involved that's going to happen right now i've got a situation where a gentleman you can go two doors down there's pavers over his entire lot the paper guy that came in to do his driveway instead of doing concrete or asphalt he decided to go to papers so somewhere in the conversation the paper guy says look i can do this whole thing here without a permit which he can however because in the midst of construction we're making him go through loops right now to hoops right now to kind of make this all work and i want to get with sally later on and hopefully by we'll get this resolved quickly this gentleman's got the whole housing inspected approved it's just coming down to a driveway now we can't get it through and i want to if we need to change the ordinance i'll bring something back forward to go do so but there's no reason we couldn't allow someone to do and they could do this he could actually tear the papers out he put in already he could tear them out come back for another permit and get it approved to build it just like everybody else but because of our process he can't do it that way when being told i'm going to try to work it out later on today but it may be something i bring back to to go with just we've got to make it easier for people to develop on the coast and this is like a perfect example why we should be doing it so i'll be working on later on that's all i have sir all right thank you mr biles thank you sir i think i'll start with some good news or oh you did that i know you no i want i want i want it see you threw me off course i'm sorry all right um i took i took a drive on the ridge road extension yesterday what a phenomenal job uh sam bennett's done the whole team has done

conan graham that road is elevated on some areas that's really really high other times a little bit lower the bridges they built in there it's going to be a tremendous road going through uh the progress they've made is phenomenal and we think well they could be open on time they'll be could one thing and dental address it but there could be one technicality where they may not have the tolling equipment in place they want to hold back opening the road this road is going to go all the way to sun lake right which is phenomenal and the progress again what they've made if you haven't taken a drive out there to go look at i just looked at it yesterday it is phenomenal what they've done uh so this is going to be a reliever i had them send me the maps on the congestion relievers it's going to approve the traffic coming back from uh let's say 75 bellamy brothers road coming over to 41. the intersection just from suncoast coming in moon lake goes off the red category and i assume even to the south on 54 there's just improvements everywhere so we need to get the route open quickly dana's going to work with the turnpike authority right now to try to if they don't have the toll stuff and the roads ready i think you guys agree we should just open the road let the people start traveling it's the people's money that built it one way or the other anyway let's get it going and while they do get the toilet equipment together so be it but then if you want to talk to that a little bit mr mr chairman yeah and i apologize i was i wanted to ask about ridge road the extension too but i guess this is a good time to to actually we haven't talked about our appropriations yet i know people did last meeting so just you know um my appropriation request this year um to representative zika and senator hooper is 14 million dollars for phase two of the ridge road extension which could help us obviously move that up um exponentially um yes and they both agreed um representative zika has already filed his bill for the appropriation and senator hooper agreed and he's working on it as well so those will hopefully will be hearing some good news in the in the future during session but just you know that is my appropriation request from this year thank you thanks good to have you yes sir now mr mouse and so as the commissioner saw yesterday the road is on the verge of being ready for traffic we expect some time within the next 30 days of the road to include the interchange at suncoast will be ready for traffic so all the way from moon lake to suncoast interchange the the challenge is the one thing holding up the finishing is the tolling equipment on the north side of ridge road so not on the south side because there's a

gantry just a few miles south between ridge and 54 that already exists already tolls at a dollar seven a passenger vehicle that tolling equipment may not be in until sometime next spring uh right now we're kind of getting told the toilet authority is kind of saying hey we want to wait till that's in to open it our our position going in and we're continuing to work with their leadership is that no the second we can put traffic on ridge road and the interchange when you put traffic on ridge road on the interchange they every day we delay putting traffic on the interchange they lose out i actually went back and rechecked the math it's three thousand dollars per day per direction wow so it's about five to six thousand dollars of total revenue at that gantry they would see the second ridge road is open because most of traffic goes south or it's coming from the south and so we're working to set up a meeting between my guy and in the leadership with the toying authority we're hoping that resolves us uh if not you three will five uh will be the first to know uh because that doesn't make any sense that once it's ready it should be open it's it's an immediate traffic reliever for as the commissioner said on 52 moon lake decubula starkey 54 all see pretty substantial reductions on the west side of suncoast the second that road is open yeah i agree with mr chairman yeah agree 100 that can't hold us up um we need to open this in the first of december and if they want to continue with this holding this up i will be out there with an orange vest and a flag and i'm the last person they want to see standing on that road directing traffic every day so they need to uh go ahead and let's move forward with this i think we possibly need to write a letter to someone on that i think at this point phone calls and meetings are the best approach but i think the right answer before at least i'm hopeful we'll get a right answer before we have to get you involved in other elected officials involved but i know that whether it's a board our state legislatures and frankly our congressman who's worked diligently on this for years um or don't want to wait an extra day once the the road is right open to traffic so i'm like 30 years so yes you're working that hard so within you know probably early december that will be open but if y'all would like a tour beforehand just let us know and we'll hook up with sam and you can get the same thing the commissioner saw before traffic really gets on there so yeah but it's it's it's beautiful i mean i'm a civil guy so i i think roads are

beautiful but it it's it's done really well i drove it early on before all forced like it is now really again again as a reminder really sensitive to the environmental conditions that surround it because we significantly significantly reduce our impacts to the to the natural environment by using bridges and other methods so i mean really tremendously done uh by the team all around commissioner yeah let's go look so mr chairman along that point you know when tropical storm debbie came in and flooded out 54 when nobody from pinellas county was going to be able to get out this cemented the fact that this had to be done with bridges raising it up so it could always always work and i think we did a phenomenal job and the benefit as well as the environment it's a nice scenic road to go out we were up high looking over trees i mean it's it's a really phenomenal achievement what i'd like to do is to make a motion to send a letter okay to the turnpike authority to the governor et cetera to make sure this road gets open if needed and i say if needed because we get a gap before our next meeting and you may have a meeting tomorrow and they may tell you no we're not going to go do it i want you mr chairman to be out of the authority to be able to sign a letter on behalf of all of us so that'll be my motion yeah this okay that's fine just let's just wait don't let him have his meetings the chairman of the administrator can decide if we need the letter but it can be from the board okay second okay that'll work so motion is saying i was in favor of that if i needed if needed all right okay motion pass three zero all right so bridge road to choose the two good souls event you know we had the celebration a week or so ago um and the reigning champion repeated with internal services the constitutional officer that won theirs was the property appraiser's office so you know mr wells took that we collected 3 000 shoes and i know they announced 2996 but we managed to find four more pair to round it out to 3 000 and almost 4 000 socks and so again that goes to the school board and they distribute it to those who need them that's a tremendous partnership between pasco county and the schools that we do in since 2016 it's been over 12 000 pairs of shoes i mean it's a lot it's pretty amazing if you hang around when you're done and watch the teachers and all that come in or their social workers come in and gather shoes for their kids it's pretty amazing how it's just it's like a bunch of ass going to something carrying it back to their to their home but it's pretty amazing to see those shoes disappear

after they're in there so great great program done a lot of good for you know a few years here now and so yeah again three pages of good news i'm not gonna go through it all i will say that you know we did talk about several months ago when we brought the arp plan to the board about premium pay and then also about vaccine incentive the county so the county employees are now over 70 vaccinated large parts so that's a 20 increase from where we were when we started the incentive program so that's substantially will impact our ability to deliver services but also lower our health insurance costs due to complications with covid so that's uh just want to give you that number 70 uh just over 70 percent now uh fire rescue i think is actually a little higher so and that's all i had sir mr mariano just to touch on i was going to talk on the good souls event i think i let the commission down lane mendelssohn is a met person i've met a few a few years back and i've been talking with him and his daughter rachel did a real good thing for a shelter that was opening up with a eight-year-old donation right yeah uh well all right so the daughter the rachel's a little bit older but abby says dad i want to do something to help out and it his dad heard about good souls from somebody else had i mentioned it to him we could have probably had to be doing the presentation on behalf of us we might have won so we'll work on that next year but thank you abby for having such a great heart and such a great family uh appreciate it thank you got 300 pairs or something yeah yeah yeah so great great kid i've got to know them they're really good yeah great stuff all right uh anything else dana you got more or i think that's enough for today mr steiner uh mr chairman you approved c29 this morning the appointment of the audit selection committee i wanted to make it clear to both the board and the and more importantly the constitutionals this is based on a very strange statute which requires the elected officials to serve so while the motion that was passed said or designees the statute really says that it's the electeds that have to that have to perform that duty unless they designate a non-employee to serve on their behalf i don't know why the legislature feels that a deputy clerk is not as good as a knight but that's what it says so i'm just just throwing that out there for clarification that that it's unfortunately it's the the elected officials that serve on that audit selection committee and it's something that's statutorily required

is there some change that we need to approve now i technically the motion follows the statute it's just that because it says or designee i wanted to make and the memo is clear it says that it can't be an employee but i just felt it was necessary to re-emphasize that that because it is it is normal for the sheriff to send a colonel or a major or the you know so um not in this case all right mr stein snyder i read the statute too and um there is a provision that you know provides or designee and then there's another provision uh i think it's subsection c that says the county cannot have a um an employee as their designee it doesn't say the constitutionals however when i looked at gfoa's best practice their best practice even though it's not a mandate provides that to have the elected official or a designee that is a non-employee yeah unfortunately we got guidance from the legislature legislative staff that it applied to both the elect both the constitutionals and the board of county commissioners so that's what a little law says okay okay at all that's it all right thank you madam clerk yes mr chair on october 27th i send a letter to this board asking the county to reconsider its decision to fully fund the multi-agency criminal justice information system and the annex courthouse local requirement i have not received a response it was not on a it was not on the agenda as an item for today's meeting and um no commissioner has brought it up for discussion as of yet the clerk's office budget adopted by the board is inadequate having exhausted all other available options to resolve the budgetary funding dispute with the county my office is left with no alternative but to ask the court for clarification of the statutory obligation and the funding requirements as presented to this board i am confident that the budget request submitted by my office is supported by law and commissioners this is not the conversation i hope to have the last thing i want to do is involve the courts in our dispute and i don't want to take the board to court but i must do the right thing for my office and the citizens of pasco county as the board is not willing to discuss an auspicious resolution for the clerk's office a petition for declaratory and supplemental relief will be filed um those are my comments mr chair okay mr chairman yesterday again i hate that we have to go through this and everything just a question then so if you look at the 2021 um budget request there is no local requirement in there listed at all so so

my question then there was no local requirement listed in the 21 budget but there was one listed 22. so why was there not one in 21 the budget that was put in for 21 i had not gone through the statutes as of yet and the pandemic occurred in march of that year and really hurt clerks statewide and at the time that i submitted the budget i spoke with the county administrator and said we're going to be doing a deep dive into florida statutes to determine our revenue sources and figure out if there is an issue with the revenue coming in which we have done and the results of that deep dive into florida statutes has the local requirement in the budget for 2022. so my question then would be why wasn't it this done prior because you were the chief's deputy in 21 right but nobody from years prior ever thought to put that in the budget right that would be a question for the uh prior elected officials that were in this position i can't answer that question for you okay but you be in chief deputy would have been involved in the budgeting process right but they set the direction of the office the yes that person does the direction of the office so i guess my question would be then who is the quote budget director for that office that year i know who it is but who was the budget director the budget director during that time was chris mettler okay who's who was it the next year i'm 21. so 21 was chris 22 was chris yes okay so did he his direction change i'm sorry christine mettler okay no um this was um a review of the statutes but it wasn't it wasn't a necessity for your budget and years prior in your budget then the budget was fine or the prior i would say the prior clerks i got to tell you our budget has not been fine our budget has not been fine for years i i just i just you know just again you weren't there you said but you know just finding ironic in 21 that request wasn't made and priors wasn't made but all of a sudden it's being now and it's you know the end of the world but it wasn't prior to that so i i'll leave it at that that you know it always has an issue and i believe prior clerks went to the legislators and i am looking at the law and the law says that the county is required to pay for the things that i've asked for that's why i'm asking were they paid for in 21 and 20 in 19 and 18 through your budget as a local requirement from the county no no what was it paid through through your office though it was paid from by other clerks in other counties but it was paid for by other clerks as it's asking my neighbor to pay my bills

which worked out fine for all those years though yeah the money is tight statewide they are all all looking um at budget deficits so the county stepped up with our money and actually passed through and gave you relief the cares act money yes you did okay so is it in your budget to pay that money back in the future to the county no no i i don't believe it is it was a request that i made i don't think i could pay that money back if even if you asked i don't have the money but it was um a money money that the county was granted from the federal government or correct for the county or the county where the kind of commission that's correct 96 million so i guess i just you know that's my question is if it wasn't you know that was my question if it was it wasn't a 21 it wasn't a 19 it wasn't 18 it wasn't 17 16 15 14. all right i got one i'm on 22. got one item to cover and it will break for lunch commissioner starkey has expressed her interest in becoming florida's third representative in naco board of directors and has asked for a what now well that that was the letter you just wrote for commissioner mariano is the same that's what he's asking for support both candidacies if that's yeah sunshine love makes something happen so uh the fact of it is that you want to be on the board and has asked for a letter of support florida gained the additional seat by its recent attainment of 100 florida county membership to the national association of counties so i need a motion for that that's not that would have been us that would have been would that have been a sunshine issue for them to talk about prior to uh yes well they both were going to ask you to write a letter but yeah i didn't speak to him and i didn't speak to her but i'll tell you what if one of us gets it great for the county so i'll support the letter of support for catholic church as i was reading the letter i received the support it's said by the board of county commissioners second so next time i wasn't going through that letter in support by myself and then sign it for all of it next time work it all out beforehand because since it wouldn't be since it's a naked wish it wouldn't have been a sunshine issue you guys would have all worked out then just coming yeah like i said we never go last week and i get my sisters and get something ready for it but i'm just having fun it's all good one of us gets it great all right so you made a motion i'll second then all right motion second all this in favor say aye

most past three zero so let's get somebody all right with that do you want to be on it too commissioner or chairman okay no no but uh i've got a few more things i'll discuss but i'll do it in the meeting today we know that that's not the right time sir it's 11 10. oh it's 11 10 yes yeah we might want to change that clock for for the chairman i'm looking at that clock no no you're you're you're way ahead sir [Laughter] i didn't realize i thought i said man thank you andy i thought i was really messing up because i said what took so much time another reason to hate daylight earth yeah there's there's another throw that in the letter it messes up well i just wanted to bring up and we've been talking amongst ourselves here at the board meeting about uh some of the developments in in 40-foot lots and 50 and 60s so i got looking at the rent-owned houses that i live in out here off fort king and just called denise found out that it was uh actually they're all 50-foot lots well i'm i'm there and and they're of course they're finishing building as they build them and get them ready they're they're rented out people just coming like crazy but they're also there they park in the street and you can barely get a car through so i know you can't get a fire truck through there if they had a fire i mean it's just amazing to look and when you i meant to take a picture yesterday and it didn't but i should have it shows all these houses all these cars parked in the street and you abs i mean there's a few small real small trees and very few it's just not a good look for our county it looks like you're somewhere like you always thought about new york all concrete and everything just and there's no beauty to that so um there's just in the fifth i mean 40-foot watts there's definitely no room for landscaping also and i think we've we've asked to have to look into backloading some of these 40-foot lots and all but we need to be real careful of what we allow our developers to do that we make sure that they're the right thing for pasco county so we've been rural for many many years and we really do not want to destroy the nature of what we have in pasco county and yet we do want to grow and and have jobs and offer our citizens and and do the right thing for citizens but that's just something i want to bring up that i've noticed that and it's just something that

as we go forward and have more projects coming and i've already seen some coming that are just all 40 foot lots i mean it's it's kind of strange it said some some just hadn't fit so yes sir maybe it's a maybe said i would say to set a workshop and we will set up agenda item to discuss it through because you know we don't want to build slums for the future we want to build nice homes that we've gone through so you know density sometimes overrated uh how good it can be i think you know nice single family homes is has made us actually a great place to live and it's helped for our schools as well and and for good quality of life uh congestion is something we're going to spend money on anyway if the lots are a little bit bigger makes it more comfortable and again just the situation we're dealing with on the coast we talked about today where the lots are so tight together so tight uh parking's tough and you wanna you don't park on the street right we deal that in our neighborhoods already but to make it even worse i think would be a bad thing there's certain developments they put parks in place we have neighborhood parks that are there for the kids to play but i think it's it's a worthy conversation to bring a bit bring it forward at some meeting coming up mr chairman i think um staff is because i have a request for a meeting with um terry peters for that very issue i see him not in his head so he called i think he's getting with all your assistance or aides to schedule a meeting because he's right he's scheduled with my office yesterday to have this discussion so that's already in move in motion and i'm gonna can i pile on a little bit since we have 50 minutes pile on this a little bit wait a minute we're short of time yeah you know yeah um i'm just gonna i'm gonna since you're bringing up the look of the county and things like that i'm gonna i want to bring up again the apartment complexes and i'm bringing some for a reason because it's gone to the point when i have conversations with constituents unsolicited conversations it used to be when i first came on was jobs infrastructure flooding i'm not exaggerating the number one topic that is brought up to me now in my area is the amount of apartment complexes being built number one andy my legislative aide is part of leadership that you don't think is part of leadership tampa bay in one of their meetings the other day two of the current um other members of leadership tampa bay found that he'd even know he didn't even know he worked for me they just knew he was because on there it says pascal

county employee or whatever they came to andy and started complaining about apartment complexes not even no not he had no clue that he worked for me so i just agree we didn't even ask him where he lived what's that they didn't ask him where he lived they just know yeah okay i got you you're funny guy yeah no don't don't throw him on it's okay i'll pick it up for andy um but anyways you know so when you talk about that and then we got we need to look at this you know holistically here you know and for the future as you mentioned not always now but five or ten years down the road as commissioner marion just made a statement about what is the future going to look out like you know well what the future may just look like is we have this over saturation on especially on the 5456 corridor is that 10 or 15 years down the road you're going to have blighted apartment complexes because they're not they're only going to go to the bright shiny new ones and they're not gonna be able to keep up with the joneses as a fact and as we continue or we don't i don't want to say we because we've done it we've made some strides recently and i appreciate that i appreciate the two of you because you did support that um but we we made some strides but we need to continue making those strides because if you bring them in the majority of them 70 80 90 are still going to hillsborough county to work they're not working in pasco county they're along that corridor they're jumping back on 75 they're jumping back on 275 and leaving when i came here in 2014 and before i before that one of the main things i talked about i campaigned on this more jobs for pasco county and all of us did we've worked very hard on that cohesively between here the board and the edc we can't give that up now right so when you continue to put those people on the roads that they're leaving that's why 56 is that's why 54 is jacked up that's why all those interchanges are continue to back up no matter how many we built if we keep letting this happen so it's got to stop now or let's you know what let's continue to build job credit on these job creating sites these commercial sites these office sites and not put multi-family apartment complexes because where else or where else is our economic development group going to have to go where else is the edc going to have to go there's not anybody any land left for them on the major quarters that these people want because if not commissioner oakley you know they're going to have to find a place way out in the in the rural areas to build an industrial park or something well that's not conducive to that type of business they need to be close to interstate and close to 75. so i will

get off my soap box now but i wanted to jump on because i don't disagree with you sir miss chairman wait a minute so i want to i want to give you an opportunity to put a request in as well as far as that goes we've just done redistributing you've got more corridor now on 54 and i-75 i think even 581. yes sir right now you wanted your previous district to be no apartments at all i think you should look to extend that to every bit of your parcel and if you need to go take another look at it going a little bit further with it i'm okay we're looking at it yeah because we don't need all the congestion i mean the virgin diamond is now getting started et cetera it's going to help a bit but even still you're still not going to break even as far as your traffic goes if you want to go even further and bring that district out between you two especially all of your district and maybe you want to re-look at if you want to change a little bit more as well i'm fully supported i appreciate that yeah that's that's that's a great point sir because yes you're right so if if the redistricting goes as schedule will be with is brought back to us in december is that correct yes sir back to you and that takes place in january or right after it right after you do it immediately you would you would adopt it that day that day okay okay has to be redistricting has to be finalized by december 31 okay so okay even year so we can we could bring that forward and extend extend the moratorium after that takes place you'd have to advertise an amendment to the ordinance for that new new area that that includes district two because previous it didn't include it okay right so you could keep the areas that are in place now add in your new areas if you want to go further with it maybe two can go look at that a little bit more obviously individually um and bring it forward and then instead of even waiting for december 31 you could even have it in place ahead of time so that when it's ready it's a simple adoption same time oh i see yes that's that's that's true right so that you can actually we can actually make a motion now to extend that to bring back for a public hearing contingent upon that being district two in passing mr stein center you technically you could you could have you could publish the the ordinance an amendment to the moratorium ordinance that increases the districts consistent with um the maps um although i will point out that you're having a public hearing on the maps and they may change um i mean that's the purpose of public hearing correct um but yeah the you all decided to to make to to less

things out of other districts correct at the at the first hearing the board's desire is to put stuff is to expand the moratorium area you can do that but you have to go through the ordinance protection process so regardless of even redistricting you still can go forward maybe to work with terry and just kind of like right where else we want to see this go have it ready to go and then whenever it's ready we can add it to it yeah it's it's an easy area really when you think about it it's not i mean it's across the other side of 56 down to 41 down to bruce b downs yeah good point i appreciate it yeah well so terry you hear that we're gonna we're gonna go ahead and move forward with that some of his some of his district in the redistrict um does he get some of the grove or yes does he come that way yes sir because it goes oh because you know you get my park you get the park he's already got i got his parking park you got the park back yeah that section goes 52 to old pasco road to overpass and then down voyage to 54. if i if i recall correctly so yes the groves would go from your district into his district once a chapel district park would move from your district to his district right okay but then i gained two rivers and that on the south park county so that's cool yeah okay so it's good it's a point i can't remember the which meadow it is uh it goes down no can we can i can we make a motion now to we don't have it to bring it back for a public hearing so we can get ahead of the game and not have to wait and then in the meantime because he'll come for an introduction we'll come from an introduction right with the initial map expansion and then the second hearing would be when we vote correct yes don't move second yeah i got a motion and a second to your state to it to it to expand the current moratorium of the apartment complexes with it with that's the motion because we're going to have to bring the map here we'll have to well to work together to draw that map which will be introduced at the first introduction of the public hearing okay so you're going to have to advertise the increase that physically the physical increase i mean if you're talking about bringing it forward for introduction and then have your and then go to planning commission and then go to two public hearings you can you can do that at your december meeting that's i don't have a problem with that if you're okay if you're trying to get it in a december planning commission it'll be a little hard

and you don't know you don't know where those lines really are to notify the public of how much it's expanding i think that's a problem but it but if you wanted if you wanted to do introduction yes in your december meeting i think you can do that because that really doesn't require advertising that just requires it to be on your agenda okay thank you that'd be the motion then and i'll just terry i'll just work with you it's i can draw it in 20 seconds all right mr bob 12 7th of december 2. so once it's adopted it's a retroactive to that date i think we can yeah it is so long so long as the public knows where where the moratorium is going you can you can create an effective date then okay yes excellent okay good question all right great and thanks for that okay mr marielle all right i got a motion a second all those in favor say aye motion pass 3-0 okay and to further the conversation yeah cherry and planning they've worked up some draft things to try to maybe that could be added as conditions of mpuds to address some of the concerns we've been hearing about the smaller lots and the lack of landscaping on the front and parking so yeah so that's what he's trying to schedule to kind of walk you all through and get your feedback before we start talking to stakeholders yeah so yeah and should be sitting down with each of you over the next few weeks and i've been talking to terry about some of those kind of issues along so he he's where he knows what's going on yeah i know i think your focus is on the single family small lots of forty footers but that also kind of we've thought through what that looks like on the townhome perspective too so you need you think you need to think about both discussions because one impacts the other you have front-loaded townhomes you have the same type of issues as you do with the small 40-foot lives so it's all kind of in that he can walk you through it when you get a chance to meet okay all right so and to continue a little conversation mr moore's right everybody talks about multi-family in in your area around wesley chapel which i think i heard had grown in the senses about 50 from 10 years ago yeah which is a tremendous growth so if you look at that compared to i think one of your neighbors had said he it wasn't like this back in 12 years ago when he moved to to your neighborhood it can't be because there is tremendous growth in that area i mean in 2007 to that wesley chapel area right with only a jc penny right so and i answered some of that is because you know there's more trafficking on and divergent diamond is very important i think we have about eight months out from the completion of diversion diamond

because their contract was 278 days and they've been out there a little over a month i think working on it and then i got word here the other day that uh overpass two lanes of overpass supposed to be finished sometime in february which would be great yes because that'll allow some of that traffic that's all funneled down to 56 right to split up and it and it'll just help things so and then of course the completion overpass is going to mean a lot too so but it's um as soon as that overpass open um you'll see villages passing the hills growing a lot more i think and a lot more traffic moving moving over that way but i've already seen a project over in uh it's in my district and it's in villages passing hills and it's all 40-foot lots and it's just just strange yeah it got me thinking about where i was living i was trying to figure out if i was 40 foot so i just stepped it off i said no this morning 40 foot and found out from denise that it was actually 50 foot lots and we as a board had requested that b 50 foot lodge so it's um i guess it's a nice looking subdivision except there's really there's something missing because i guess landscaping hasn't grown in yet and then too much parking in the streets and i'm going to pass that on to the owners of that subdivision that they need to uh i think someone told me by the hoa that egg don't have for those homes there would not be any parking in the street but i think they're waiting until they finish construction because that's all these construction vehicles are in there finishing up so but it's good anything else think of anything just awesome good thing sometimes nope well uh we're gonna give you a uh a two-hour lunch recess and we'll be back here at 1 30. excellent thank you all right