10.26.2021 Pasco Board of County Commissioners Meeting (Afternoon Session)

is there a richard out there that signed up for public comment a richard item that took place in september it's not on the agenda this afternoon i signed up because i just came because i wanted to speak i'll give you guys some homework this is not um that would have been 10 o'clock now it's public hearings this afternoon so it's only uh it's only on public hearing items that was this morning this morning november 9. so public comments in the morning um public hearings in the afternoon but those are specific agenda items okay so it's quasi-judicial hearings in the afternoon so people will speak on those specific agenda items if they have a if they're opposed to an agenda item or foreign open public comment for anything you want to discuss with the board is always at 10 a.m the first thing before we actually get into the meeting that way you don't have to see it that's okay yeah i just want to let you know because i saw you on there well that's my that's my um district and if if you want to speak to any of my aides there i can have them come out and talk to you if there's something that basically you guys passed yeah okay that's fine we have to call the meeting okay is anyone here from the p-bus program i don't think we have any on that good afternoon i now call back to order the pasco county board of county commission meeting of october 26 2021 a reminder everyone please silence all electronic devices and mutual microphones i'm opening back up public comment i have one person that had a car accident she's on i think she's on cue on webex so she can have her three minutes to speak this month thank you chairman can everybody hear me we can wonderful thank you so much for indulging me i am so sorry that i was not able to be with you this morning uh my car is getting fixed as we speak so good afternoon commissioners my name is jennifer mossinger and i represent the tampa bay builders association the people who build the american dream of home ownership and there is no question today that pasco has become an ideal place for many families to move for its quality of life the proximity to airport and other types of things that everybody wants to be around and of course as we all know everybody wants to move to pasco county build a new home with a pool last month as evidence of that your staff issued almost a thousand permits and most of those were within an approved master plan community as you guys know i've been working with dan and sally and the rest of the staff over the last year to address the

two weeks ago and and that would be to remove the commercial collection ceiling uh next slide please and again this would kind of bring us up to the industry standard with the surrounding florida counties creating an open market for solid waste collection next slide please staff recommends to accept public comment adopt the proposed ordinance by roll call vote authorize the chairman to execute the ordinance amendment and direct board records to retain the original and file an electronic copy of the ordinance with the florida department of state within 10 days after the adoption of the ordinance are there any questions any question okay this is public hearing uh is anyone here to speak to this item seeing no one move approval there's no one signed up and no one signed up and no one's on webex for this item okay i have a motion and a second all those in favor roll call vote district two commissioner moore aye district three commissioner starkey aye district four commissioner fitzpatrick aye district five commissioner mariano aye district one chairman oakley aye motion pass 5-0 thank you p-61 item p-61 was published in the tampa times on october 6 2021. good afternoon commissioners denise hernandez planning and development p61 is pdd220014 and this is the adoption of this item it's an ordinance amending the pascal county comprehensive plan providing for tax amendments to chapter 2 future land use settlement and creating chapter nine property rights element and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for repealer severability and an effective date this item was presented to a local planning agency who found it consistent with a comprehensive plan and this was uh transmitted by the board of county commissioners on september 15th of 21 so we're asking that you adopt the ordinance viral call vote okay this um this public hearing is anyone signed up to speak to this item no one is signed up in person and no one on webex for this item is anyone in the audience here to speak to this item see number one got a motion a second is this by roll call yeah roll call vote district two commissioner district three commissioner starkey aye district four commissioner fitzpatrick aye district five commissioner mariano aye district one chairman oakley aye motion passed five-zero p-62 item p-62 was published in the tampa bay times on october 6 2021 pd22005 is an ordinance amending the pasco county comprehensive plan providing for a small scale comprehensive plan amendment to the future landing map 2-15 and sheet 22

changing from res 3 residential 3 dwelling units for gross acre to calm commercial on approximately approximately 9.24 acres of real property located located to the south side of state road 54 and river glen boulevard providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for a repealer severability and an effective date today this is the adoption for this comprehensive plan amendment so we're asking that you adopt the comprehensive plan amendment by roll call vote this was presented to the local planning agency on august 26th who found it consistent with the comprehensive plan and recommended approval to the board of county commissioners okay has anyone signed up to speak to this item no one is signed up and no one on webex for this item okay has anyone in the audience wish to speak to this item seeing no one move approval second got a motion in a second by roll call vote district two commissioner moore district three commissioner starkey aye district four commissioner fitzpatrick aye district five commissioner mariano aye district one chairman oakley aye motion pass 5-0 p-63 item p-63 was published in the tampa times on october 6 2021. on this item you should have received a corrected agenda memorandum on this item it's pdd220018 this is the adoption on this item as well it's an ordinance amending the pasco county comprehensive plan providing for a small scale comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use maps map 2-15 and sheet 0-5 from what res 1 residential 1 dwelling unit per gross acre to calm commercial on approximately 3.9 acres of real property located at the intersection of county line road and february lane and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for repealer severability and an effective date this was uh this comes to you with a recommendation uh to find out that they found consistency um with the comprehensive plan by the local planning agency on august 26th of 2021 and again um we're asking that you adopt the spiral call vote okay has anyone signed up for this to speak this item mr chair no one has signed up and there is no one on webex for this item okay is anyone in the audience to speak to this item seeing no one gooper approval second have a motion a second by roll call vote district two commissioner moore district three commissioner starkey aye district four commissioner fitzpatrick aye district five commissioner mariano aye district 1 chairman oakley aye motion pass 5-0 p 64. item p-64 was published in the tampa times on october 6 2021. p-64 this is also the adoption hearing on this item

it's pdd22001 an ordinance amending the pasco county comprehensive plan providing for a large scale comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use map we have 2-15 and sheet 0-3 changing from res 6 residential 6 dwelling units per gross acre con conservation lands and cl coastal lands and our slash os major recreation open space to pd plan development on approximately 151.7 acres of real property located west of old dixie highway and a text amendment creating sub-area policy flu 7.1.59 sunwest park pd a map amendment to the future land use map 2-9 adding sub-area map 2-9 parens 59 sonos park pd and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for a repealer severability and an effective date the local planning agency found this consistent with a comprehensive plan on august 26 2021 and it was transmitted to the deo and other reviewing agencies by the board of county commissioners on september 15 2021. again we're asking that you adopt this by rule call vote okay is anyone signed up to speak to this adam no one has signed up for this item and no one on webex okay does anyone in the audience wish to speak to this item seeing no one more approval okay got a motion a second by roll call vote district two commissioner moore aye district three commissioner starkey aye district four commissioner fitzpatrick aye district five commissioner mariano aye district one chairman oakley aye motion pass 5-0 move on to p 65. item p-65 was published in tampa times on october 6 2021. p65 is also adoption pd220016 it's an ordinance amending the pasco county comprehensive plan providing for a small scale comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use map map 2-15 and sheet 14 changing from res 3 residential three dwelling units per gross acre to calm commercial on approximately 37.58 acres of real property located east of old pascal road north of overpass road and a text amendment creating sub-area policy flew 7.1.60 adrian phillip and a map amendment to the future land use map 2-9 adding sub-area map 2-9 paren 60 adrian phillip a map amendment to map 2-13 rural areas map and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for a repealer severability and an effective date this was found consistent with the comprehensive plan and recommended approval to the board of county commissioners by the local planning agency on august 26 2021 and today we're asking that you adopt the item by roll call vote okay has anyone signed up to speak to this adam no one is signed up and no one on webex for this item okay has anyone in the audience we should speak to this item

so you know one move approval with a little discussion second okay i got a motion a second discussion i just want to say it's great to see us taking advantage of the overpass interchange by changing this to go to commercial great stuff yeah thank you i have a motion and a second uh all those are in favor by roll call vote district two commissioner district three commissioner starkey aye district four commissioner fitzpatrick district five commissioner mariano district one chairman oakley aye motion pass five-zero p-66 item p-66 was published in tampa times on april 21 2021. p-66 is also an adoption hearing on this item pdd220027 an ordinance amendment in the pasco county comprehensive plan providing for a large scale comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use maps map 2-15 and sheet 22 changing from res three residential three dwelling units for gross acre and ror retail office residential to pd plan development on approximately 303 acres of real property located on meadow meadow point boulevard at the intersections of state road 54 state road 56 and fiercely drive and the text amendment creating sub-area policy flu 7.1.56 wesley chapel lakes and a map amendment to the future land use map 2-9 adding sub-area policy 2-9 parents 56 wesley chapel lakes providing for a repealer severability and an effective date this was presented to a local planning agency on may 6 2021 who found it consistent with a comprehensive plan and recommended approval to the board and it was transmitted to the department of economic opportunity on may 8th on june 8 2021. again we're asking that you adopt this item by roll call vote okay has anyone signed up for this item no one is signed up for this item and no one on webex okay is there anyone in the audience wish to speak to this item i see that moving rule second got a motion and a second by roll call vote district two commissioner district three commissioner starkey aye district four commissioner fitzpatrick district five commissioner mariano hi district one chairman oakley aye motion pass 5-0 now it's time for public hearing items and mr county attorney would you please do go over procedures be happy to mr chairman there are two resounding agendas regular in consent staff will present each application in board of county commissioners if staff for planning commission has recommended approval and there's no opposition the application will be considered by the board without further presentation if staff or planning commission is recommended denial or if there is opposition to the application the

applicant will be given five minutes for presentation the opposition will be given three minutes for each individual or five minutes for a group representative and the applicant will be given three minutes for rebuttal any individual your mike's not on yeah imagine that okay we'll try that again there are two rezoning agendas regular and consent staff will present each application of the board of county commissioners if staff or planning commission has recommended approval and there's no opposition the application will be considered by the board without further presentation if staff or planning commission has recommended denial or if there is opposition to the application the applicant will be given five minutes for presentation the opposition will be given three minutes for each individual or five minutes for a group representative and the applicant will be given three minutes for rebuttal any individual disagreeing with staff for planning commission recommendation or anyone wishing to object to any condition of the rezoning may at this time request the petition be pulled from the consent agenda in which case that application will be heard under the regular agenda later on during the meeting otherwise all rezoning applications on the consent agenda will be approved by a single motion and vote if you wish to speak to any petition please give your name and address and whether or not you've been sworn for the record these are quasi-judicial public hearings the law in florida is that near public support or opposition of an application is insufficient for the board to take action please limit your comments to those criteria found within the board's land development code okay thanks for that that felt twice as long as it normally does you know you did it twice and you should understand it but uh with that uh would you swearing folks that's gonna speak during public hearing yes mr chair if you're here to speak on any of the items this afternoon please stand so that i could swear you in and raise your right hands do you solemnly swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to give is the truth so help you god thank you okay p67 item p-67 was published in the tampa bay times on august 25th 2021. and in p67 is pd227526 this was actually um advertised as a continuance so the request is to continue and i need to correct make sure that the memo is corrected we did send the correction to the clerk's office it is the continuances to december 7th 2021 at 1 30 pm in newport richie the memo incorrectly stated it was in dade city but it's 12 7 20 21 130 new portrait channel region okay move to continue yeah date time certainly to december 7th

in newport 2021 okay newport richie a motion second have a second all those in favor say hi all right all right all opposed side okay past five months 1968. item p68 was published in tempe times on july 21st 2021 and august 4th 2021 p68 is pde 22 7552 this was also advertised as a continuance uh the request is to continue the item to the december 7th 2021 border county commissioners meeting at 1 30 in newport richie move to continue to december 7th the new 2021 newport richie second got a motion a second all those in favor say aye aye aye all opposed sign motion pass five zero p-69 item p-69 was published in the campaign times on august 25th 2021. item p69 is penalty 22 7344 it's a zoning amendment the name of patreon philip mpud master plan unit development adrian phillip overpass llc it's for rezoning from r1mh single-family mobile home district to mpud master plan unit development district to allow 315 000 square feet of commercial entitlements on approximately 37.58 acres i will no note on this one that you did receive a corrected exhibit a that was sent to the each county commissioner and also to the clerk's office so the request is to approve the item with conditions as including your agenda packet that comes with a recommendation from the planning and development department and the local the uh planning commission and with the correction to exhibit a the legal description okay is there anyone here uh signed up to speak no one is signed up to speak on this item and no one on webex okay uh is anyone in the audience to speak against this item seeing no one ever remember it remains on consent oh stanford oh yeah item p70 was published in the tampa times on june 30th 2021. [Music] p70 is pdd227530 it's westley chapel lakes mpd master plan unit development clearwater bay associates inc a substantial modification to propose entitlements for vacant parcels within the mpud this comes through with approval with conditions with a correction to condition of approval number 70 which should read for the expiration date instead of december 31st 2021 the expiration i'm sorry 2031 the expiration date is dec um october 23 2033 and that has to do with the build-out date so the recommendation is to approve the item with conditions with that correction to condition number 70. okay does anyone sign up to speak to this item no one is signed up to speak uh to this item and no one on webex is anyone here wish to speak against this item seeing no one it remains on consent p-71 item piece 71 was published in the tempe

times on september 22nd 2021 it's pdd 22 7562 it's a zoning amendment barbara burns alcock david e burns james burns it's for a change in zoning from an ac agricultural district to an ar-5mh agricultural mobile home district comes to you with a recommendation of approval from the planning and development department and the planning commission okay is anyone signed up to speak no one is signed up to speak and no one on webex okay is anyone here to speak against this adam seeing no one it remains on consent p-72 item p-72 was published in tampa times on august 18 2021. p72 is pd220017 and this is the transmittal to the deo and other reviewing agencies um for this item it's a comprehensive plan amendment c pal 21st parents 21 future land use element and transportation element update it's a transmitter of the proposed comprehensive plan text amendments to chapter 2 future land use element and chapter 7 transportation element related to airport zoning and land use compatibility and additional text amendments for consistency this was presented to the airport zoning i apologize i hate to interrupt mr chairman i saw somebody raise their hand back there on your last one oh you did yeah she's down for our items with the 72 for this one okay just want to make sure i saw her raise it before you started talking about i haven't asked for that yet so okay i will no i i just want to make sure he's okay i thought it was for the last item so no we're good thank you commissioners i just wanted to mention on this one this was preserved presented to the airport zoning commission on august 23 2021 and it was present presented to the local planning agency on august 26 2021 who found it consistent with a comprehensive plan and recommended approval to the board of county commissioners so this is just the transmittal on this item okay um listen we have someone signed up mr chairman of the other somebody here to speak in there so i'd like to pull it off consent let's pull it off consent we'll come back to it after we go through the other items okay so we pull p72 off and we'll come back to it move to p73 item p73 was published in the tampa bay times on october 6 2021 p73 is pdd220447 this is a development of regional impact rescission it's a request to rescind the wesley chapel lakes dri number 166. wesley chapel lakes limited and the request is that you approve the rescission okay anyone signed up for this item no one is signed up for this item and no one on webex okay has anyone in the

audience wish to speak to p73 or speak against it excuse me seeing no one we've approved the consent agenda okay it remain that one arranged on consent and i got a motion to approve the consent agenda second in a second uh all those in favor say aye aye aye all opposed like son uh past 5-0 we moved back to piece 72 i believe yes yes miss elena coral please um come up to the podium we have staff present do you want to just hear the speaker do you want to you want a presentation that he was like he was like presentation he was getting up so when he said i would like a president was that it's not justin oh you were just early let's try to get in there for a second family did you come forward who's gonna who's presenting the ordinance this was presented in okay oh okay well i would like to uh make a comment on a proposed piece name an address for the clerk and then start the class name an address for the clerk and also if you've been sworn yes elena coral and uh one one oh one zero five five one villa view circle tampa florida okay a nice water all right okay so actually the community and the owner of the airport is maker commons on a zoning p-72 airport zoning and in the reading of protection zone document it is in interpretation that's the intent to implement florida statue 330 and 333 a means to protect the report and strive for zoning and the land use surrounding airport the material have been added from 2016 draft there is significant clouds to protect the airport and limit development which would not be comparable with airport operations such as a high density housing school in approach landing zone and a runway protection zone it is appears from the edit that many of the florida statue 330 and 333 clouds has been struck out and replaced with a new language which is in fact burdened the airport and the expansion of the new and expanded aviation facility the new airport protect protection language has been significantly changed from the hazard airport to airport hazard it is that the airport is creating the hazard and the building or activities surrounding the airport uh the word such as prohibit as in the previous document have been exchanged for restrict in the current version and the florida statue 330 and 333 in the florida

department of transportation report comparability land use guidebook are designed to protect and abort and define activity or zoning which would harm any airport in operation instead this is editing changes appears to accomplish to reverse that's it nope no no one more minute one more minute okay and you require approval of the airport expansion and so in an old language to enforce the intention of the guidebook there is a new language water is down as example instead of prohibiting uh it can probably lend and use words such as a district that's why we would like to intend 330 and 333 uh protect the airport but the language is not doing so so that's it i got my three minutes [Music] good afternoon commissioner victoria peters planning development would you like me to go through the presentation or respond to the to the comment uh with the comment okay very good um so i was able to speak with miss coral in the hallway previously so this item that's before the board of county commissioners today is the aviation policy that the comprehensive plan is going to have once adopted it updates the policy we have some policies in the comprehensive plan today that do talk about aviation but this amendment is going to update those policies to be more consistent with florida state statutes having done that it will basically enable us to proceed and move forward with the actual zoning regulations for airports at a later date um we have an entire process set up to consider airport zoning regulations at public meetings through the airport zoning commission um and i understand that ms uh karol is one of the civil engineers with xo5 which is the airport [Music] up at you know u.s 41 and 52. the name escapes me right now um but um they have representation on the airport zoning commission as well so any draft that we develop with regard to the zoning regulation associated with the airports xo5 will be able to participate and influence that in addition those airport zoning regulations will be developed according accordingly along with the fdot airport land use guidebook that the florida department of transportation put out mr chairman yes i'd like to continue this to the next board meeting um you know i had uh saw the agenda item i reached out to the owner of the pilot country airport

because we had talked the previous year about uh the the ordinance coming forward or the amendment coming forward so before we even take another step uh spencer i believe was was on the committee i didn't expect to get a kick back from this from the call but when i called him last night i told me at the public hearing coming forward so clearly there's an issue that they have and i'd rather continue this for two weeks meet with them and then see if we can if there's a tweak needed to be done to be done well i won't be here in two weeks and i'd want to be here for that first time uh that's fine we could we can we can come up if you would uh didn't you just have an airport meeting the other day and they're all involved in 18th of october but this was actually presented to the airport zoning committee and mr brass was on there um on august 23rd so and we did not get any comments um this is not the adoption this is a transmittal so can we just do the transmittal and then wait for the adoption i originally requested for and made the motion to move forward with the airport protection plan and i would like a meeting prior to moving forward well then i'll second your motion if you want to move forward with this since this is just the transmittal and then to the continuance well see this is this is the stuff that keeps our our plan terry's plan going for years because i could just to clarify the adoption is not until december 7th so there could be many meetings prior to that time so let's do the transmittal and anything that you think needs more tweaking they can do between now and december 7. what is the adoption december 7th at 1 30 in newport ridge okay okay okay let's keep moving right assuming we don't have that from deu i've got a motion to approve to go forward uh in a second all those i'm not i'm not sure if you have a second yet unless commissioner more wants a second little discussion the second i'll second it with discussion right so the discussion the discussion will be and denise i appreciate you and terry having spencer who's on who's representing that pilot by the way right sorry so he's there so again i didn't expect to have this situation coming up but i was just trying to like make sure you know everybody's informed so i i think this is going to be something that can be resolved as well but no one that we're going to meet with pilot country their ownership as well as others uh not that you've skipped a step and you haven't obviously his chair uh but i think just to clarify to make sure we get it right as it comes back after transmittal i'm good okay

yeah you have a second move okay i got a motion a second all those in favor say aye aye all right all opposed like side motion past five zero to transmittal thank you okay now we'll move on to p-74 item p-74 was published in the tampa bay times on october 3rd 2021. perfect jessica rent public infrastructure fiscal and business administration this item is ut220019 is a resolution by the board of county commissioners of pasco county florida sitting the water and wastewater connection fees and setting fire and fire hydrant rates and providing for an effective date mr connection fees are a one-time charge paid by new customer for infrastructure and facilities need to provide capacity it's also applied to existing customers that request additional capacity just to review some of the recent items that have happened relating to this item back on the 12th in ordinance 21-24 the name impact fee was changed over to connection fees also on the 12th in ordinance 21 24 we removed the fee schedule from the land development code and shifted it over to chapter 110 of the utilities ordinance this is consistent with where the other utility rates fees and charges reside as you'll see in the coming slides we propose increases to the connection fees and we phase those in over four years and it's notable the last time those fees were touched was 2006. step one in this process will be to set the existing connection fees uh those are the ones from 2006 into effect um these are based on an equivalent residential unit also known as an eru a table is listed here below with the common eru sizes all right step two in this process will be to increase the connection fees uh this will happen over a four year phasing plan as you can see here the average annual change will be about 120 to 125 a year this results in a less than a 500 increase over the four-year period this slide is just a regional comparison as to where we would land in year one relative to other utilities and municipalities in the area as you can see we remain in the middle of the pack and step three is to adopt proposed fire line and fire hydrant monthly rates effective january 3rd of 2022 this part of the agenda was intended to go on the august 24th hearing uh due to an issue with public notice requirements uh this was not inadvertently not included and so it's included here also for adoption and effective on january 3rd of 2022 so to review the three items we are recommending here to adopt the resolution to set the water and wastewater connection fees the existing ones effective october 26 of 21. number two increase the water and wastewater connection fees effective january 3rd

2022 and three approve the fire line and fire hydrant fees effective january third of 2022. mr chairman i have a question what i have a question okay is it my time is it our time to go is it public comment that's public comment first okay after public coming do you have anyone signed up to speak this out no one has signed up to speak for this item we did have one person pre-register for webex but they are not on so no one is on for webex either okay is anyone in the artist wish to speak to this item see you no one uh discussion um i just wondered um on the page two of four with the connection um waste and water and wastewater connection fees you have single family and then you have multi-family mobile homes and then you have recreation vehicles so what does that mean recreation vehicles is that in a um travel park versus a mobile home park how does that work those are rv parks okay so you you're gonna um charge the since they're they're only there for a short amount of time i how is that collected i i don't understand that one on travel parks and rv parks so i think the best thing here would be um actually mark guttman from our engineering department to administer that should be online mark yeah i just don't understand do you pull up and you're here for a month and you pay that i don't know well that's i believe that's why the rate is is .33 erus rather than one eru it takes into account the frequency of of use so you know during a portion of the year there's going to be you know we're going to be collecting an impact of sewage so that's i believe that's why the 33 is there and this is just for rv parks so that fee goes to the land owner who puts in x amount of connection opportunities right it would be the developer that builds the rv park you know the number of units times that rate okay so so staff just reminded me this is the awa standard for recreational vehicle parks is .33 eru okay and someday i i'd like us to talk about recreational vehicle parks because we have a lot where the people never move they never leave they built structures on their travel trailers and cars and yeah they never leave so okay well thank you for that okay okay uh a little approval okay let's take a motion in a second all those in favor aye aye all opposed like that past five zero all right

okay move on to p-75 item p-75 was published in the tambay times on august 25 2021 good afternoon commissioners will poon pe senior engineer in current planning items pd23-conditional use zero one mining operating permit conditional use permit amendment request for an existing sand and lime rock mine with no blasting in agricultural and our cultural residential district norfolk northwest pasco county on the south side of county line road approximately 3 200 feet west of suncoast parkway and the applicant is k m pasco 130 holdings llc here's the location as i previously mentioned just west of suncoast parkway scenario as you can see the mining operation and the conditional use application as i mentioned earlier the paraphrase basically they're modifying their excavation of approximately two million six hundred forty two thousand three hundred fifty eight cubic yards of sand with an additional one million fifty two thousand four hundred ninety two cubic yards of sand outside the original pit area for a total of three million six hundred ninety four thousand eight hundred fifty cubic yards of sand in addition to the previously approved 1 896 7719 cubic yards of lime rock limestone they expanded the limits of the mining from 100 foot from the east and south property line the lime rock mining and sorting operation will remain the same as previously permitted so no change there the site plans have been updated to reflect as i were mentioned and also the duration and the operation have remained the same no change there here's the surrounding zoning areas future land use as i previously mentioned here's a site plan amended site plans i i mentioned earlier showing the expansion and there will be a berm and also landscaping associated with the improvements and we recommend approval conditions that's set forth in your packet any questions i'm here to answer any also the applicant's representative and their client is also here too okay thank you all right mr happy clark hobby uh hobby and hobby pa 109 north brush street tampa florida ben sworn i'm going to be very brief i believe the one person who spoke at planning commission is not here today to speak against project we have a couple of our neighbors who are i think mostly in listening mode we are expanding the mine footprint but we're building a large berm uh on the south boundary it's eight feet tall with landscape

and seating on there that will be an effective buffer we have a noise expert who's submitted to reports to the board and to the planning commission and who's online who will testify that we will meet all the noise requirements of the code we've been operating since i think it's been 10 or 12 years now and never have had a complaint i think we've been a good neighbor we've been for free grading the dirt roads south of the site that we do not use that are about a half mile long and there are four of them and we've been doing that for the better part of the last three four or five years somewhere in that range and so that's why i think you see none of our most adjacent neighbors are here complaining so happy to answer any questions other than that i'm just going to hold the balance of my time in case anyone speaks okay does anyone sign them speak to this no one is signed up and no one on webex okay is anyone here in the room to uh speak to this item see no one more approval second i got a motion in a second all those in favor say aye aye all opposed like son motion pass five zero okay we'll move uh on to uh that finishes the public here and so we'll move on to our other business more thank you mr chairman i lit i had nothing earlier but um i'm gonna make up for this well i'm gonna add something real quick it's real good i know i had nothing but um question for my fellow commissioners um do we want to reconsider c8 from this morning i say that because it doesn't incorporate the timelines or concerns when we talked about the comprehensive plan so do we need to reconsider c8 and bring that back when we have the discussion um i don't know at the next meeting it refers to the comprehensive plan what do you think must be if you don't move forward that's just going to slow us down yeah i agree let's ask you the question because we decided to continue on to continue that item we should continue if we adjust timelines on this then it's a modification to this but at least they're working if you don't approve this now they won't be working while we wait on changing it i agree let's keep moving but let's work on a way to do it faster okay again i'm fine with it i just wanted to bring it up yeah oh yeah where are it all right i'll trust you guys are you done that's it well then one more thing just popped up that's nothing big um i don't know if you know this yet but zephyr hills is now the largest city in pasco county yeah why don't you take my

thunder i take your thunder you were actually gonna mention that i thought that already happened i thought that's why we were actually gonna mention that it has already mpo but that news is slowly coming out because is that seasonal or real full-time full-time full-time residents it's a long time so that's all that's the hard 2020 census number well the reason i do mention this is because if you look at some of our committees and boards by buy um statue on some of them you're supposed to have you have to have the largest city representative and we change one of them you're going to have to have some changes in the future after the new year on who the represents the cities it represents yeah well if we had to make some of those changes yeah so you're going to be if you're a chair then you would have to be well looking at it i hope that's not no no water because no no oh yeah that's right some of those that's right that's right some of those come after me and plus some of the ones in the actually county committees and boards as well so yep just be aware okay that's really why i brought that they're actually just changing number one and two that's what you're doing yeah basically but somebody asked me if there was possibly a um an award they get for being the largest city and there's nothing set up because newport richie's been it for ever so there's nothing that's been set up on an annual basis or anything because it happens every 10 years but uh city in newport richie's been in that large city for us for many years so yeah what's by how ma by how many people uh let me tell you because when frank starkey builds the other apartments maybe newport where she comes back on uh well they're both they're both moving targets because both of them yeah they're both they're both moving targets and laser lane gets done and well you've got and then you have quite a bit of development going on in separate hills right now too within the city i don't know so i don't i don't know i don't remember the exact numbers i got over here so they have 10 years to work on it well that's good yeah 10 years anyways that's all i got okay well it's good that it's early oh no uh which photo do we have up first you can have not more than uh two items i think it's fine i don't know which photo we have up first is it a dope uh okay well here we go all right that's the beginning of of an improvement but it's supposed to be in continuous hedge so they need to double up that but this is the children's medical center on state road 54 and the the rules actually require mulch as well so

well um those berms are really problematic they're very difficult for these these guys to maintain but anyway we appreciate that second one uh okay here's the hyundai where everything's dying so um i thought we were doing two two of the goods first but here's some of my five problem children next oh well these are not in order okay so we're going to jump around sorry this is the um and sally and i just talked about this at lunch but this is a really frustrating occurrence for me it's going to lead me into one of my other discussions in a minute this is a business on us 19 that we cited and cited and cited and they take their stuff or they put it out on the highway it's a it's a pawn shop and um we took them to court during the and i actually it's the only time i've ever listened on a code enforcement action and with patrick moore and the judge and this woman and she agreed that she wouldn't put the stuff out on the street but on the weekends yeah it's in the right way and then she fills up the parking lot it's just all her junk comes out of the store and and into the roadway sally what did you tell me at lunchtime about this and i know i know she's frustrated as well and i'm going to tell you about some ideas i have for solutions good afternoon commissioner sally sherman assistant county administrator development services this is one of those projects that is somewhat of a habitual offender it did go to the courts patrick moore took it before the judge in june they were a fine was presented it was reduced they gave them a certain amount of time to comply they came into compliance so the case ends but what they did is now that you know they've come into compliance instead of putting stuff out through the weeks they're putting it out on the weekends and once we got the text message from the commissioner over the weekend we did send a code enforcement officer out on sunday because a code enforcement officer in order to move forward have to witness the offense he witnessed it took photos and then cited them on monday october 25th but again now that we have that the next step is for them to go back because it was a citation they're going to have to go back to the courts and defend why they reoffend it and if the judge gives them another opportunity to correct it it's just going to be an ending a non-ending cycle of offend citation but our understanding and speaking with the owner of the property he is looking to evict the business um next month and our code officer did witness that it appears this

amount of product in their store is being reduced so they may because of that a lot of prediction they're putting it out on the street to get rid of it as quickly as possible but one of the things that the team mentioned to me is that um the order to show calls process that we've used in the past we are very judicious i would say in our utilization of it um with the attorney's office and i understand that but you know for habitual offenders this may be the case the route that we have to go because after you find and do all those things and they still don't find a need to comply then the next best orders perhaps they spend some time in pasco's finest hotel accommodations [Music] that's that's the plan all right so so thank thank you very much uh well you know what you might as well stay there stay there because do you have the other landscaping photos very quickly to scroll through and they they should all the landscaping photos should be together there's regions where they we did replanting before and after there's where you see on 19 where all the trees are gone and the it just looks horrible okay keep scrolling keep scrolling gone that's right there on 54. uh i'm trying to oh this is where they cut down all the oak trees when you were driving to on state road 54 um and they starkey boulevard right up there on the right they we allowed them to cut down all the oak trees and then they let them put the landscaping behind the fence which i don't understand and now there is no landscaping it is all dead and that hasn't been that's like three months old so you all need to go out there but i don't understand why we let them put it behind the fence it should be in front of the fence but that's a problem okay is that it corporate's name's right there is that starkey yeah well i i tease it with you this is trinity tower and storage on 54. all right thank you oh oh so you have a plan to help with these landscape photos and landscape violations right well some of the things that we're doing we have i spoke with david ingles and especially for our small businesses because we know they're struggling just to stay open so we have started a concerted effort between david ingles and our code officers to go out and give them information with regard to our grant program for landscaping and thanks to terry petitos and and roberto and his office they helped us get together a package that you know is enabling us to move forward and we have a number of grants that are coming forward uh and you know we could do that through our administrator's office to to get those

approved so that's one way that we're looking at addressing these okay so the ones that i've been showing you are not except for this one may be a mom and pop it's a very successful one i've been showing you banks and car dealers and doctors offices that have the funds and the wherewithal that i don't think the citizens of pasco county should be paying for their landscape in my opinion the landscape funds with our with our grants should be to older businesses who built before we had a landscape ordinance and we get to clean them up but to allow to to allow someone who's violated our our rules and then we pay for the fix for me is inappropriate no i apologize if that's your understanding commissioner we're looking to help those that are the small it's for small business assistance okay but what are we doing the storage unit is these aren't struggling either there's a popular new one's popping up on the larger ones we have been going and and doing our code enforcement activities you know we did the the letters that we've been helping with we send out informational educational letters and then we're going to move forward with the citation process which means we also have to look at if they have an approved site plan if they do what was there and what they need to replace and moving forward with our citation process okay and so you have um and i wanted this i knew all this but i wanted the board to hear that you have dedicated someone i don't remember his name um there is an office person dedicated to kind of looking at this as one person but um but we're gonna start enforcing our ordinances and rules we're going to be heavier on the enforcement side okay if you don't mind me jumping no please jump in this is important all right so either question for commissioner stark here or you sally so when we talk about you just mentioned small businesses yes about how obviously you're you're gonna you want to use the landscape fund for the small businesses how are we deciding on what we're considering a small business is it employees or as commissioner starkey stated earlier kind of grandfather being grandfathered in so we'll come in and provide that landscaping on the landscaping fund that it is actually i think for the people at home why don't we explain to them once again how we build that fund i don't even think it's just taxpayer dollars that are going to this it's there's a fund paid by development we have we have we're utilizing funding from the tree preservation funds and that's where people who have um offset their land uh their tree uh requirements that they pay into a fund and also if people go in and remove trees um without getting permits then they pay into that fund so it's not dollars from our general fund or what policy do we have in place do we need to make a policy of what constitutes a small business and who could actually utilize this fund so

the funds aren't diverted as commissioner stark he did mention to a large business that can afford or should have properly done their landscaping in the beginning commissioner um i can i'm not david's not here but we do have a very strict um protocol for the utilization for those funds and and i don't want to speak off the top of my head because i don't remember it's businesses that have less than i apologize i don't remember the deal i guess it can't always be it can't always be considered never ftes either right because you might have a corporation that only has 10 ftes but they may have um you know gross sales of you know 50 50 100 million dollars so um mr chairman nicktoros pizzo's planning development so there is a small business definition that exists in the land development code we recently updated the mobility fee ordinance there there's a small business definition therein off on my head i don't remember it or recall it do you recall it david yeah it's 25 or less employees but that's really only for mobility for purposes of treatment no but then no we're just we're just identifying the size of a business yeah so i guess it goes back to the point was made a second ago of if you look at a storage facility for example that might take up you know 15 acres and has a 200 square foot building but they only have five employees there and their gross revenue could be 50 million dollars that's really not the small business that we really want to be putting our money into i have a suggestion that it one second i have it should be businesses who got their site plan approval before we enacted this landscape ordinance and my i think that's a an identifier and chairman there are specific guidelines they cannot exceed 10 acres and it has to be in specific areas and there's a whole guideline sheet that they have to go on what are you talking about to qualify for the program for the 20 000 they have to pay twenty percent of what they're getting and then the eligible properties are not to exceed ten acres unless proposed by redevelopment and landscaping projects that's another layer but commissioner mariano's wanting to jump in mr chairman yesterday thank you um you know one of the things i want us to consider though is not just obviously want to help the small businessman but sometimes you can have different code requirements from the landscaping code parking regulations et cetera that will make redevelopment let's say along 19. extremely expensive uh such as the surface merchandise building that sat for like seven to ten years ashley furniture had a lease on that property for seven years they paid that lease every step of the way part of the reason they said they didn't come

forward even though the competition rooms to go came forward was because it was going to cost them like a quarter of a million dollars to bring it up to code sometimes the flexibility of being able to help offset some of that cost through this fund so it's not taxpayer based is something to keep in mind that you may wanna have the flexibility yeah i think david wants to speak to it too because he's dealing with it with me as well hi david engel office of economic growth commissioner moore you had some questions regarding the eligibility of the tree commercial landscaping program so we define eligible properties by acreage it can't be over five acres and it has to be located in target areas where there's low and moderate income component in the census tract up to 25 or greater and it's defined to the older commercial carters in the county well that's a great place to start yeah so um thank you yeah but don't leave because i may bring up our little project okay thank you all um what other photos what do i have next um no for for her oh nothing all our screens just went out oh so um a lot terry petos and i and a lot of staff had a that's okay sally yeah um had a wonderful meeting a couple weeks ago at the starkey tlc um and that's the library learning no library i can't stand that name we are going to have to change that name the cultural center and starkey ranch and and the purpose of it was to bring together all the landowners in that quadrant because we're starting to get piecemeal owners coming in with development plans and we wanted to do a type of cohesive planning exercise there similar to kind of what the um that one is up on 52 that we've been working on the um i don't remember what that's called the employment center so um so we had a great turnout and i think it went really well terry i think you think it went well too and the idea is the county's going to um work on a plan is it is that called a sector plan or quadrant plan or overlay plan what's your word for that yeah i just want to i want to put this in your mind for your areas if you think of something like this so this was uh the area on the south west corner of gun highway and state road 54. and so it's a sector plan or a quadrant plan if you will for that part of the block um there had been a number of property owners that were inquiring on on this particular in this particular area asking what could potentially happen

because there were so many inquiries uh and because there was interest um regarding this we decided that we would hold a neighborhood meeting and ask everybody what they were thinking about how they could think about the block um and so yeah we had we had a great turnout and um we took a lot of feedback that we're going to utilize as we uh develop the quadrant plan for this um for this sec for this part of the intersection the quadrant plan itself is just a fancy name for a potential comprehensive plant amendment that can um you know change the future land use in the area something that meets what the landowners would really like what the market is asking for what the vision of the county is with regard to the economic development potential for that area it's like a comprehensive plan in mini kind of yeah so um because we don't want to see all multi-family come in there um we want to preserve industrial and commercial and mult we'll so we'll have different types of multi-family it's not suitable for single-family um but and the hope is that it becomes its own little community um it's right across from starkey ranch there will be a an easy way for them to go across the street and access all the retail and commercial across the street and vice versa so we're we're excited that it was very well received and you'll be seeing this work its way through the county and come to us eventually all right um next photo is there should be a video so um on the day that the county on the day that the county uh did the um staff day i don't remember what you called it but my staff and i drove around holiday so katie could see what people call in about this is on behind the speedway um this is katie that lady's hitting up into her leg injecting into her leg um okay well katie's going to get some some lessons here somewhere here you're going to see all the furniture oh there it is they've just pulled all the furniture and put it on there they go see it commissioner moore you missed it but there's sofas and chairs and all kinds of furniture behind the speedway on a private road in holiday right behind a bunch of people's houses on the other side of the fence and they're living there and um we have gotten a lot of calls a lot of people are very very upset that this is allowed to continue and i will say i a deputy was driving by so i followed him and he was going to a a domestic violence issue on holiday drive where my drug trailer is which actually got all cleaned up i don't know what happened there um and um they just said there's really not a lot

they can do um for this kind of situation um right now um the jail is full and um so that leads me to an idea that i that i want to start proposing and jack's going to involve your district as well because i think you have some of the same challenges that we have and for nine years i've been trying to clean up the holiday area and deal with the panhandling and the homeless do redevelopment all those things that make a community great and i feel like my office is a little bit spinning its wheels and but i think we have a lot of tools and resources if we come together in with a cohesive plan and so um i've talked with david engel about this i just talked with kathy about it at lunchtime i guess she's gone um and sally a little bit i need to talk with marcy but jack i have this idea that we put together a task force for the harbors area that deals with all those things that when we did the harbors plan had some actionable items in them to to improve that that um quad corridor i think the sheriff should be on there and don anderson some of our pl uh you know someone from planning um uh and people from the community and um of course david with redevelopment ideas and and that we put together a task force that comes up with actionable items and suggestions for us to um fix so that our citizens see something happening along that corridor and i have a person in mind to run this because she did it in her community and she did a great job and that's kelly miller i would take what she did at colonial hills and those walk arounds and her spreadsheets and her action items and blow that up and and and and let's have a harbours task force with um community and other groups involved and get some action items out of it and then implement them so that's kind of a big ass but i wonder what you think about the idea we were going to just leave it in our on our half but i decided we should include yours too thank you mr chairman yes yeah i think i think it's a great idea to do something especially when you see the furniture sitting to the side and no matter where it is in the county i think we should have at least a cold person who can identify it that it shouldn't be there and if we have to then let's have a grappling truck ready to go to say okay go pick it up over here

i don't think it's going to be just as easy to have a grappling truck show up and pick it up you're going to at least code or maybe a deputy there so that the people picking this stuff up can pick it up and holiday haul it away right now don't get in the weeds on on solutions let's let's talk about the big picture of help helping the community get engaged in ideas and having our different departments all in the sheriff's office and what other other departments are relevant bringing these solutions and then bring them to us and i'm good with that but when you show that issue i mean i've got that issue elsewhere too up in my area and when we're doing cleanup over to um east brown acres in gulf highlands there was like one section where the homeless like moved in and go yeah we need to be able to move on that quickly and i don't think we need a big committee to go study that issue that's something like yeah if there's people sitting in furniture that shouldn't be in an area that shouldn't be there uh it's in the right of way or it's in private property and people want it out of there we should have have a quick way to go out there and have the right people so our grappling truck can go out there not be hassled by the people that are there whether it be a deputy or code enforcement get the people away from the stuff to pick it up and pick it up and haul it away yeah enough times they're not going to keep on bringing it back i think these are the people that used to live in the lot across the street in the helen ellis where all their junk is still there and and i think now they moved they moved in on this private property it says private property right there it's owned by the bank and i'll tell you you know if you just being in san diego a little bit ago if you went to the one side of the petco park clean as can be maintained like you can't believe you go to the other side of this area and there's homeless blocks where they just kind of like slowly took in slowly took over uh you know we've got them in the woods now but we don't need to have in the public either just hanging out there just driving up today we i'm seeing people just in public areas where they're just kind of hiding out in front of a mall or whatever oh i heard the ball's bad i've not been in the mall but i don't know how to deal with that one but i heard we have uh just in businesses killed the all that we have a lot of homeless people um they just kind of go in i mean fox hollow and uh 19. there's like an empty commercial piece of property there's a little bit of shade in there they go in there and they stay right there so all those errors need to be just when we see it

clean it out move it on well so that's but i'm happy with the committee idea too yeah so i think it's good i would have the tampa bay regional planning council with their ability to do to do plans um involved and i was in on a hud i sat in on a hud um meeting with community development community services i never can get there right there's all kinds of grant money out there all kinds of grant money so if we have some good ideas we can go after them okay so i'm glad you like that uh t barta um what was i gonna say about that oh we are um i told you before that we're doing a memorandum of understanding or interlocal agreement with everybody and right now we're at .1534 it's a charge per population and we voted at our meeting last week to raise that to 0.17 it's next year so it'll be a small increase next year the tampa regional planning council is at 0.34 0.35 but we'll be at 0.17 and then we're going to go after matching dollars uh from the legislature for that so ever every those unanimous everyone liked that idea and the cities have agreed that they're going to pitch into so i'm really excited for that with t barta mr chairman i miss mr chairman and commissioner starkey so yeah i saw that and did you see me scream when the no i haven't no i i read it fire alarm kept going i read it and you we've had this conversation before um and even prior to you being on there and i did talk to um just to clarify what i read in the paper i did talk to ron as well and um to clarify about it being next year because i know the other the other portion was on the agenda this morning for this year um but this you know to have another to have an increase though we need to see some action from t bar and i'm not saying from the board i'm talking about from t bar as i agree a body you know so like if this vote were to happen today i'd say hell no don't give them any more money don't let them raise it so we need to see action from them between this date and next year when this is brought back to us because it's just been a planning agency and it's been a planning agency for way too long without any action so they better have something in the bag ready to roll next year we we have our plan that we voted on to move forward we have a little hiccup with hillsborough county but

secretary gwen thinks that's going to get resolved they took the funding out of their mpo for part of the b the bus rapid transit um but we think that's going to maybe get put back in and we also have a rapid transit plan that's working on us19 to connect pinellas and pasco county and eventually hernando um with ra and when it's regional then we can go for the federal dollars so um we do think we have some good stuff coming plus we have the air taxi air transit discussion coming in um and i don't know if it was this group or two bart i mentioned that one of the stops we're going to be doing hopefully we'll just about have that said is to stop in at lilium lilium is an air taxi company out of germany that's coming to florida they've signed with orlando when i was in west palm they told me they had signed with west palm they're about to sign with saint pete and the moffett um working with moffitt down there so we want to um have them put a vertiport in our moffitt facility up here there's already a heliport and it's very easy to add a vertaport and they come right up the suncoast so um t-barta has some really exciting transit things in the world you know how it is again trust me i'm frustrated i spent a lot of time going down there i mean we all dream they've been dreaming for a long time we need results i dreamed about winning the powerball last night i woke up this morning i still hadn't won the powerball well we we would have been much further along we are continuing with the design and everything of our rapid transit plan um even if uh hillsboro right now if we have a little gap in the middle but we think that by the time we get to the stage where we need to have that gap fulfilled that we will be where we need to be um what was that going to say anyway but yeah i do think you'll see some stuff come coming out is that all your items no tampa bay water um what else i can say on tampa and water now you knocked that right out of my head um all right i did i did get uh a call from someone and jack this is in your district and maybe you know about this but that port richie has been dumping overflowing raw sewage into the bayou are you aware of this is my no karbala's gone i want us to look into that so they sent me videos of it coming out of the manhole and into right into the water um and it's the gentleman that owns one of those um sightseeing boats that's

there by gulf farmers it's he sees it coming out by his house he says he's been doing it for years i i get a notice whenever there's a spill i don't know how they're getting away with not having notices but i want this to be added to the november second discussion well i'll tell you i think maybe sally could actually reach out to dep and get them out there to check it out um okay so we'll talk to mike okay we're good we'll find out what's going on and lastly i think that discussion that jennifer called in about has a lot to do with me and asking for um trees to be safe place in front of a house and i'll let you know that when i've been meeting with developers i'm i'm very i let them know i am very low to develop to approve a 40s only development was that your picture that showed all the houses and there was no landscape whatsoever yes yeah so um so if you if you go and drive in front of a 40-foot front loaded street it's just a driveway garage and a door it if you drive down a street where they're rear loaded on 40 foot it's a porch and grass and it's very nice you can see it in starkey ranch you can see it in longleaf you might see it in australia's i don't know and bexley i know you see it i'm not opposed to 40-foot lots i'm opposed to 40-foot front-loaded lots and only 40 foot in in that house's cookie cutter and there's no architectural elements on it and i i get that this is a land development code issue but i'm sorry we're we're approving so what they didn't tell you this morning was that we were the number one permit approver in the country we beat dallas fort worth and sacramento last month and the amount of single-family homes permitted is what roy major told our harbor south leadership council and so there's i don't want you know 10 000 homes to be approved before we fix this this is this is an issue that i think needs to be addressed soon and i get that they need to have our development community needs to understand what we're looking for and so i'm going to tell you what i i'm looking for and i don't know whether you agree with me or not but i need some better landscaping in front of home i need a mixture of 40s 50 60s i need better architectural details on the sides and the front i need more rear loaded um

40 foots and we you know i'm dealing with holiday i don't want to see us building future holidays well i can tell you the staff has been listening and staff has got the message they do understand what and some of these landscapes yeah conditions wrong they are working on that yeah and i understand that i just you know i want to be fair to the development community because you know my husband was a developer and i i understand that they need to know what the rules are so that when they or or or someone buys a piece of land what what do they expect and so we we need to have a consistent and rule and i don't know how to fix that quickly uh but and i get that by doing it when we vote here for when they come through and like i missed barbara's apparently today um so i don't know how to fix that quickly i don't i don't know if you if anyone agrees with me but that's that's where i am on on issues of today with development you know i believe honestly the staff is working on that they have heard our message they have heard about architectural they've heard about landscaping and they are making those conditions on new projects coming in yeah but it's not in the code so how do how can we quickly make some ldc corrections if we to do it properly yeah something forward and you you go through the public hearing process right jeff that's that's what you do you make a make a motion you propose you you ask you give staff direction now to bring something back okay here and then you go through the public hearing process you can change them you can mend the code any time you want to okay so i would like to make that a motion that we jeff are you getting ready to say something okay i'll try it but go ahead all right i'm gonna take a swing at it uh i'd like to make a motion that we um have staff um bring some changes that we just spoke about to us that amend the ldc so that everyone understands what we're looking for as soon as possible is that is that good yes sir yeah okay so i think the land development code can address the majority of the issues you just said but the issue of 40-foot lots is primarily an mpud issue because typically it's the mpd's that even allow 40-foot lots so if that's something you want change you're going to need to direct your staff to to alter the mix of lots and mpuds that's that's something that comes to you on a regular basis

it's not as much a land development code issue am i making sense because your standard euclidean districts probably are not going to allow those 40-foot lots anyway they go through the mpd process to get 40-foot lots so if you want to limit the number of 40-foot lots or require a mixture or rear-loaded 40-foot lots that's more of an impude issue not a lane of alma code issue so all right so how do we make sure that all the staff is on board with the direction that the county that we want them to go on if it's not in the ldc well you would be directing your planning and development director to implement those type of requirements i will tell you i review most of the mpd's that come through they are not doing that currently with all due respect to what commissioner oakley said they're not requiring a mix of lot sizes or architectural features some of the things that you mentioned landscaping i have seen a proposed ldcm to do with landscaping but some of the other issues you talked about i have not seen changes in the recent mpuds and speaking of actually were from some developers that were making that kind of change but maybe they're not but we need to have it where they are yes i agree give the direction so that you can change the lane and put it on me well come yeah commissioner starkey so it starts where you can jump in so you get this why don't you if you want to make the motion to direct staff to bring back options for the native land development code on the landscaping you can do that and now and they do something separate when it comes to directing staff to take a closer look at varying the lot sizes within a lot so separate take that out of your motion well he said they can approve it without having to change anything what's wrong with land development code the landscaping we need to land be the land development code the issue of lot size is this is primarily an empty issue right so make your motion let's hear from terry about if i may right so we do have landscaping code updates coming forward really soon um what david is referring to is that the mpud is a negotiated district it it covers things that don't typically happen by the regular land development code or that are allowed by the euclidean zones by themselves and so you could do something different and special in the mpuds and that's how the developers come forward they use this different and special approach to ask for 40 foot wide lots it's been as my understanding previous direction to

work with the developers to make sure that the developments that they're proposing can bring can come forward in in the most effective way possible for the marketplace um this is a long-standing policy from years past so it could be due time for a change in that approach so when are they bringing them when do you bring yeah we don't want we don't want to see only 40 foot lots in in these we don't want to see what we're getting we want to see better right i mean yeah um so if that's just staff direction then if we need to give you direction then here it is on that right all right so then then what about architectural elements because a lot of the houses i've heard that some of the same houses that they're building in our county uh in other counties they add some architectural details to them and the city of zephyr hills and the city of in dade city requires some architectural details and we don't and so we're getting just straight dry drywall you know straight whatever um right yeah windows and a door and a roof and and i'm telling you that's holiday being built around the county so not not to disparage holiday but some some neighborhoods that haven't fared as well different situation in the elevation of each home so we need some architectural details so i think the issue in elevation if the issue is not allowing garages and driveways in the front 40 foot wide lots then because you want architectural detail and enhancement to the buildings then that's going to cause the driveways to be rear loaded basically on on the back side so the front side of the house now you can talk about fenestration how many windows you want to see where to place a door keep it on the front of the house let's say instead of on the side of the house a porch and keep it very general to those limited applications you know with a porch light let's say um but after that i think the state statute um places limitations on how many are how much architectural standard you can place within a zoning code well chairman yesterday so it does for straight euclidean categories it does not for mpd so i mean well i agree with the point that mr goldstein was making um you can set a minimum criteria for a mpud that in your lan development code and that's where those architectural details based on the legislative direct direction from the state legislature i think it has to be in your mbud category so you could you can i mean

you can create those cat those criteria within the mpud category just as you would create them in the euclidean category and basically say to the development community this is your flexibility ends here okay if that's the board's desire yeah and one of the ways that was suggested to me was um there can be a smorgasbord of our architectural details um um i'm not i should have bliss in front of me but i don't but i'll be happy to provide it um where there's all different kinds of ways and they're not they're not expensive that add a kind of detail to a home that makes it more than just straight um i don't want to say drywall cause that's not the word what is it that you put on the outside of the house stucco stucco in a window with no treatment around the window or you know no no hardy plank or whatever so um why don't i get you the list and get it and then we can have that discussion at the next meeting on the architectural details so we can keep moving sounds good okay but i think you have directs on the 40 50 60s and the mpud hearings um but definitely want to discuss more of the rear loaded 40 foots those are much better okay and i always believe in a carrot rather than a stick um lastly i have this said this to each each one of you i had sent this to the county administrator and the attorney this is the agreement it's you know it's an informal agreement a document of friendship that we are going to sign between us and um the um federal the district of gamersheim rhineland palatinate uh federal republic of germany so you may have heard of a sister city this is less informal than a sister city because we're not a city so um so this is this is just kind of um doc this is just a another um program that they have that uh will that gamersheim will be our first international kind of county friend not sister city right so um i want you know i didn't want to um sign this and and until you all had read it and and were in agreement that this was a good idea but i hope you do because i've already made their gift and we're all set for the ceremony so is everything good and legal and looking good in the in the document i mean he's pretty warm and fuzzy it's you probably should have a motion authorizing commissioner starkey to sign it on behalf of the board but i don't see any real legal import second yeah the documentary okay i got a motion in a second catherine starkey will sign this for us and uh represent us

all those in favor say aye opposed sign motion pass 5-0 wonderful thank you we had dr fritz here he's a wonderful man i'm glad he's still there the mayor or whatever they call the head of their county government i'm done you're sure uh yeah i forgot what i was saying water but you messed up my closing by about 30 minutes a little bit of time for you i'll try to make mine sweet but short um so i apparently because i have several items to just mention quickly i did attend the stomp out suicide that was put on by parks and rec and natural resources it was a 5k run and a one mile fun run suicide is a national health is a national health problem and the second leading cause of death for ages 10 to 24. so i like to say thank you to parks and recreation for helping to put on this event and there's a few photos and staff was very nice that day and thank you for coming together and there's another event coming up november 13th in newport richie to fight against suicide then next event that's very next day and the same day was the cares chairs and cares offers many services in in-home health services adult daycare and they help connect our elderly and disabled which ties into the area agency on aging commission that i'm involved that i'm on and they have also approved for 240 000 to help fight against crime and help the fraud victim elderly and disabled fraud victims and these are some of the chairs that were painted and auctioned off that day at sunwest one one day i'm going to make it to that event i love this idea i think i've been going from an event to an event i'm gonna all right next let's see which one well it's coming up oh okay so i also attended the stand down this past weekend the stand down actually when i was there i was speaking to different organizations they do have 197 vouchers for veterans through the hud vash program there's 100 vouchers for the homelessness or at risk of being homeless 25 vouchers for section 8 housing and pasco county and other organizations have a plethora of resources so one just has to apply pasco county i would like to also i know

rob maron is stepping in and the veterans program so welcome since he's switching and then pasco county can help assist veterans with receiving their pensions and numerous other resources to help veterans and with their disability benefits v um and help direct them to their health care as well the next commission that i was set i sit on is the human trafficking commission that meets the third wednesday of the month we are in the process of choosing our up next upcoming project and someone also had brought up the discussion of human trafficking court oh that's what you brought up somewhere oh yes state attorney yeah let's see i would like to say thank you to kathy pearson i know someone else had mentioned it earlier today um the lady that was hit on little road i had was driving by when anyways um so the very next day i saw a lady in a wheelchair get off of the bus and cross over four line four lanes of traffic and across the median and i just would like to make sure everyone knows we do have the paratransit that is door-to-door service that will pick them up from their homes and bring them to where they need to go just like the lady this morning she doesn't need to be going across main roads she can get the assistance of getting picked up from her home to help prevent getting hit by a vehicle and also i know i've spoken out of kathy pearson still here of do we need would it be something we would need to look at of making sure we have the commissioner starkey um the bus stops located closer to an intersection so they can pull off on the side and then people cross at the intersection instead of crossing around along four lanes of traffic next is the upcycle we have the sixth annual upcycle pasco upcycle and arts festival november 6th at sims park in newport richie they'll be transforming the trash into treasures so you can come out and see that event and to help keep pasco beautiful something we touched based on last born meeting was the guardian at lightham oh actually at the metropolitan planning organization was the guardian at lightham license plate they do need 2 000 pre-orders to start getting those license plates so if anyone would like to get a guardian at lighthome license plate please do so they're about 482 000 pre-registered and then lastly back to this morning with david lambert and everyone someone had reached out to me that they

were about to be homeless in the next couple days i had given them the phone number for the housing authority so on a bright side they were able to get the assistance and it helped them in their interim so now they're actually being able to purchase their own home so it's always nice to have a positive ending so thank you that's it okay all right mr mariano liam's room did you want to bring up deer lake and i've been working on trying to get dear lake rizal from quite a while now and mr mariana commissioner mariano is going to help there you go well this is your district i know and i know you were working on it and she acknowledges that and i know commissioner wells had looked at it um and the email i think we all received back on october 25th from nancy gray the thing that concerns me the most is it seems like deer lake as it says belongs to the county um is that true or nothing that's not true commissioner we when we've explained that several times to ms garcia okay but on the proper appraisal site it shows different so but that historically it has been a function that the property appraiser uses pesco facilities so that homeowners associations and other common spaces don't get tax assessments it's been that way since before i was your county attorney and that's there are there are multiple right-of-ways common spaces stormwater ponds that all say pasco facilities that's not an indication of ownership and and this particular one we have researched and it's not ours okay all right so it's not ours however we do pump from in the cranes roost area we ran a pipe that runs from across the road by the dollar general down to the mall area where it runs up the street into a lake that's on youth lane and we did a great job there's keeping those people from flooding out i mean they've had great success there we kept benderson from dumping or pumping across little road into their lake and that's not happened since we even put an extra pump in when needed to be for a heavy situation to bump from the top from the bottom of youth lane where the old boys club was up the hill into one of our retention areas and they hadn't flooded out so it just i don't know if we're isolating where we want to pump where we're not but if there's an opportunity to pump from deer lake to there to go across as well it's something we should be taking a look at doing if there's some way to try

to fix this issue until we can go fix it further down south i mean are there any solutions where we can help these people we can't say we just can't pump from one area but we're pumping from another area and it just doesn't make it's there's a fairness issue there's no structures that are imminent or flooding right now and the only reason we have pumps other places is to protect structures from flooding okay so you've got a roadway that's lime rock correct that floods out deer lake i don't believe is there's no road adjacent to it it's surrounded by private property is adonis engraved is that county roads or public roads i think there's a mix of b roads and maintained roads in that area okay maybe if if i recall from i looked at the gis a day or two ago none of them are adjacent to deer lake your lake is surrounded by private property is the water level from deer lake reaching over to go into this uh it seems to be the bottom of the bowl area she's at the bottom so if we can get the water from one area to another area where we're pumping it would seem to be a part of a solution if we need to go if we need to look at paving the road so that when the water levels do rise up at least you're not just having more lime rock just dissipate the whole area i mean it's a tough situation i know it's not our fault it's not their fault but i think there's got to be something more we can take a look at doing this is and the water goes up halfway through her backyard i'm pulling up the gist so all right so so let's just let's let's keep a dialogue going i wouldn't mind taking a closer look at this if you don't mind miss commission fitzpatrick as well and just see we come to some of the solutions to whereas i know exactly what we did up at crane troost to try to find a solution to this thing here and we pump up there to avoid flooding people's homes right and and this is not today threatening anyone's home but it's affecting the quality of life so maybe we maybe it's a paving assessment thing we need to go take a look at or some other type of improvement because all that lime rock is still causing other roof grief from from the area anyway we'll look at it later um that's all i have mr chairman today is my uh 30th anniversary with my friends wow congratulations uh i've been a very very lucky guy uh all these years uh we've just had it just had a great one we can't believe it's 30 years already

but very happy the way things have gone we're so so happy we picked pasco county to raise our family so that's great thank you so happy anniversary honey okay mr miles uh yes sir a reminder tomorrow we have the two good souls ceremony at 10 a.m at wendell crane tech school so that will be where we put the piles up and we see if internal services won yet again or not so i have a feeling somebody's trying to knock them off the other another thing is september with friends of the library here this morning uh september was library card sign up month and we signed up 2951 new card holders for the library in that month and i think they'll the 51st one is commissioner starkey yep and animal services is hosting an adoption event with some of our rescue partners our private rescue partners out at our facility on the 13th of november so just wanted to put those things out there and on your radar so that's that's all i had sir okay thank you mr steinstein i don't have anything for you today alright thanks sir clerk yes mr chair i have two items one is for the board's consideration um you all know that this is the time where we start the annual financial audit so the annual financial audit for fiscal year 21 is ready to commence with our contracted external financial firm car rigs and ingram and every year the board must approve and sign an engagement letter with the auditing firm and we need the engagement letter signed for the audit to begin so i am requesting that the board delegate the review approval and signature of the engagement letter to either the chair or the county administrator second okay you got a motion a second and under discussion what are we auditing this is the financial statements this is the annual oh we do this we do it every year okay i didn't know if we were moving around the department no we always win the award of excellence and financial reporting every year so good job do i have a motion in a second all those in favor say aye aye aye aye motion pass five zero thank you very much and then the next item is uh like a little public service announcement here um there is a company that sends letters out to our community and it looks like it's official it looks like it's a bill and it's from a cop company and their name is property records office that's their their name so it looks very legit and it it basically looks like a little invoice that they send you okay to give you a copy of your recorded deed that's

all available online that you can get for free from your home um if you would like now we are the official record holder for property records in the county so i thought it would be important to let the public know and to bring that here that this is not a bill this is an advertisement and if you send your money in you're giving money away that you don't need to give away because you can get your copies of your deed for free they're online available to you if you need them certified the fee is very minimal for my office it's a dollar a page and it's very affordable compared to what is being charged here for a free document we have the alert available as well on my office website so thank you thank you let's have a couple of i'm glad david came back to the meeting because coming forward david i want you to go over what we did yesterday so dave and i had a meet yesterday with some small businesses in an area one in dade city and one in zephyr hills and i think we both learned something by going out and talking to them and what maybe we can do for small business especially when they even they we found out one really needs to grow so if you will i'll let you have it tell them who we met with and well thank you very much mr chairman david engel office of economic growth um kicking off our proactive tours with the commissioners in each district i'll be calling upon the other commissioners if they're available to tour their districts and look for opportunity for us to help and assist the small business community so uh in one instance where we met with a restauranteur who is taking a building and actually restoring the entire facade of the building taking three of the shops on a main commercial corridor and establishing an extended seating italian restaurant wow and we met out there with community development last week and we're working with them to give them a community development block grant for approximately a hundred thousand dollars and it's it's a it's a loan it's not a grant so they're going to return the money to us and allow them to open up and generate some cash flow the second stop was down in the zephyr hills area we met with a a woman who's a um a barrel hyperbaric practitioner and there are a lot of off-label treatments that hyperbaric medicine provides from diabetes to lyme's disease covid autism adhd it also provides an ability to actually generate white blood cells to kill infection in fact the benefits were so numerous uh commissioner oakley and i

were going to dive into the hyperbaric chambers but we couldn't get in both of us she also says it re it helps you fight aging is that one of those tank things it is my husband did that for 40 days from kovit he got a clot he got a clot in his optic nerve and lost some of his eyesight from the hyperbarics no from kovit oh did it did it reverse it did it helped it a lot oh good a lot so the the entrepreneur's brother makes um portable types of scalable hyperbarics of machines over in india so we had an idea of working on establishing a holistic medicine destination in pasco county for these types of popular holistic medical practices so we're working on that and we also have another prospect who wasn't available uh to meet with us yesterday but uh the ceo of this company is uh very enthusiastic about speaking to us so we'll have a follow-up meeting and it may be a major industrial facility here in pasco yeah that's awesome so a lot of things you know i've been telling a lot of things i've i felt like i'm busier than i ever have been before but when you really sit down and relax enough to think about it east pascal's growing a lot more a lot more things coming toward east pasco than it were a year or two ago all the districts have diamonds in the rough and you just have to get out and find them oh yeah and so we have a lot of opportunities from the lecouche area throughout east pasco to expand on and and actually plan out things the right way so so when they get finished they look good and and we actually have the right kind of businesses growing and flourishing in our county so and home sites too so all these things are very important so with that that's all i have i have two things wait a minute you had 20 things they're really good i've already forgotten one of them but i remember the other one all right um so i went to visit not true because true has changed a little bit um true the pilot training part of true is now um flight safety and i went and met with ben the the new ceo of the of of the one here and um i brought some folks from amscales with me and um and i i am very excited i had no expectations that on his side of the world on the flight training part that there would be um you know a manufacturing training opportunity but i'm not going to go into too much detail because um i don't want to let the cat out of the bag but i can tell you that he needs

something very badly that is nowhere in the world and we can help him with it and he is running up that running it up his corporate flag immediately he was so excited so um i actually said that you should meet our county administrator because i think the two of you would really get along well he's a former army ranger and um just an interesting guy now i lost that not the right thing i know it's not wrong grant i know you're air force but he's an interesting he's a very interesting man he um he picked starkey ranch over astoria so there is he has some oh you thank you that's a better sense but anyway uh no i i do think i just thought the two of you should meet so i'm going to introduce the two of you sometime um but uh yeah i'm really excited about that opportunity it's it's really an incredible opportunity for pasco county and the other thing is i won't be able to be at the two good souls because i am um you know one of the scott fink and i are leading the metropolitan ministries fundraiser tomorrow at um wesley at advent center ice and um i have some vips on my table i just need to be there you know avis phyllis was coming and some other people and i need to be there early to uh welcome her she's never been there so i i just don't have the time to do both so it's the first one i'll miss but it's a great great event and thank you to staff and everyone who participates in the two good souls that's it that's it all right we're adjourned oh mr chair you getting you