10.12.2021 Pasco Board of County Commissioners Meeting (Morning Session)

meeting of october 12 at 2021 at this time please silence all electronic devices and mute your microphones please rise for the invocation pledge a merciful creator your hand is open wide to satisfy the needs of every living creature make us thankful for your loving providence and grant that we remember remembering the account that we must one day give may be faithful stewards of your good guests amen amen and to the republic for which it stands one nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice mr clerk please call the road district 2 here district three commissioner starkey here district four commissioner fitzpatrick here district five commissioner mariano here district one chairman oakley here now it's time for public comment citizens are given an opportunity to comment on any item coming before the board on or item for the board and on items to be in the future board agenda or other business under their purview today's public comment will be handled as follows first we will take public comment from those who are here in person then we will take public comment from those who have been pre-registered on webex link and are currently on queue this format does not weigh the request that when you address the board comments are not directed personally against a commissioner or team member but rather directed to the issues and this provides mutual respect between the board members and the public for webex and in-person participants after stating your name and address for the clerk the timer will sound you will be you'll be the timer will be activated will start a countdown after two minutes a beep will sound letting you know that you have one minute remaining after after time is up two beeps will sound and three min that means your three minutes have passed and wish for you to complete your comments webex participants will be [Music] automatically their time will stop at three minutes and they will be cut off all right we have someone signed up we have uh in person uh janie dombrowski jeanine i'm sorry state your name and address for them janine dombrowski 5550 front drive holiday florida three four six nine zero okay i'm here today to follow up on that email that i sent you i haven't returned i've even returned to any of them you know call me or um yeah i'm sorry last meeting you told me to reach out to you and send you an email with my information and we'd have coffee and you look forward to working with me okay and

i never heard anything back so i came to give you my business card that way you just call me my assistant's right back there he should have answered your email derek stand up um please get with her because and set up a meeting yeah okay great i appreciate that it was a long drive to make that happen um also too um i there's some issues that i noticed on social media with a woman that was stalked in starkey park by men she was very distraught it's a very detailed story i know that she was not making it up she was warning other women that go to starkey park also in tampa there was a bus stop that was full of immigrants to be released so again as a same as last week or last two weeks it's getting worse we can see it getting worse um also concerned about the the missing people the people that go missing and the lack of investigation that's being done there was a mom that was missing for about three months and um not much of an investigation was done and then she was found dead in port richie um and there was no follow-up either as far as the news goes like what happened to her how she died what the circumstances are um i just god is leading my heart and this is a problem here in pasco county and um if we don't do anything it's just gonna get worse and it could be your child it could be your grandchild it could be your wife i mean i shouldn't be scared to go to starkey park but now i am this woman was stalked by two men do we need to have security that we we need to solve these problems these need to be very very important for everyone i don't care about all the building we care about human lives thank you um can do you mind giving me your card too do you have two i just want to look up here and then please meet with derek mr chairman we did not have anyone else signed up here nor am i aware of anyone online okay so we did have one person that calls that they're running late but they're not here at this time they come shortly we may come back to it just for that person to speak but just ask if there's anybody is anybody in the audience we should speak that did not sign up see no one this time we'll close uh public comment we'll move on to our consent agenda and i have a pull sheet with uh c4 discuss c5 pull to discuss c15 revised c26 withdrawal c37 revised

c45 revised and c46 revised um what's the pleasure of the board for the meeting second in motion second all those in favor say aye aye aye all opposed like sign motion pass 5-0 for battle items on consent agenda the um we'll move on to c4 mr steinsteiner mr chairman c4 and c5 are both my items um the the title on your agenda should have read reject proposed settlement of plaintiff as the memo did the way civic clerk picks it up from the template the the it it just showed proposal of settlement so both of those are rejection of um the proposal of settlement move for proof c4 as revised second get a motion a second on c4 all those pipers say aye aye we were approved c5 is revised second okay i got a motion and a second on c5 all those in favor say hi hi i'll oppose opposed like sign both motions four and five past five zero move on to c-15 for advice good morning chairman members of the board andrew baxter facilities management director this is to revise item c15 which is related to the design services for wiregrass ranch sports campus phase 2. we need to update page 16 related to the reimbursables and we also need to update page 18 related to the amount of the agreement correcting a scrivener's error therefore c1500 got a motion second second a second all those whoever say hi all right i'll pose like that motion pass five zero thank you uh c26 is withdrawn so we move on to c37 pulling revised morning mr chair members of the board mike carballo assistant county administrator for public infrastructure on item c37 uh the date of the uh effective date of the agreement as well as the signature parties have have changed the agreement otherwise everything remains the same move to prove c37 advised second got a motion a second all those in favor say aye aye all right all right all opposed sign motion pass five zero c45 pulling revised good morning mr chairman members of the board keith wiley parks recreation natural resources we had to update the distribution section and also update the exhibit a to include some maps in the district added at a later date got a motion in a second all those in favor say aye aye all right all opposed like sign motion pass 5-0 c46 foreign revised good morning commissioners fellow maracaldo sports services we're here revising the list of the names that

were originally submitted to you for the opioid task force specifically for seats number five six and nine for seat number five we are changing the name to deputy chief to the city of newport city police department lauren latona for seat number six trent chikatone administrative services director and for seat number nine the honorable judge sean crane who's your approval have a motion a second all those in favor say aye aye aye all opposed right side motion pass 5-0 thank you okay that concludes the consent agenda we will move we have no resolutions today so we will move into regular agenda [Applause] the r47 that's your quarterly update from the pasco economic development council morning mr chair members of the board mike bishop pasco economic development council i'm here to present our quarter four updates as well as our entire fiscal year uh round them so i'll go ahead and get started i'm gonna turn that microphone though again all right better yes all right matter they turned you up all right yeah excellent please so i'll dive right into our business recruitment lead pipeline so you'll see that we still have a very active pipeline we're working 63 projects right now our successes in the recruitment side of seven and that really spans over logistics life science high technology advanced manufacturing advanced manufacturing continues to be a major source of leads and active projects for us so we're excited to keep that trend going next time so here's a recap of our our wind as well as our capital investment and jobs so you'll see that in the previous slide it was seven this nine number includes our expansion projects here in the county as well so you'll see our capital investment was close to 250 million dollars and a little shy of our goal of 1100 in jobs but we're at 1087. next so a little snapshot on our business retention and expansion program you'll see that things are really starting to get back to normal and this kind of post lockdown coded world so um training programs deliver you'll see we have that number our company visits is pretty much dead on so we are back out meeting with our companies working with them and delivering them the resources that they need next time there's a little snapshot of our events attended so things are still getting there as far as events increasing but we are making sure that we're getting out in the community some of the highlights here on the left-hand side are some of the national

conferences that we've attended so the audsi that's the association of unmanned vehicles systems international so that ties into our aviation target industry tom ryan was able to attend that sior that's society of industrial office realtors what's wrong with our speaker what time it doesn't sound right you can't hear anything no no no we can hear you just an issue with it okay made my voice sorry um day op that's the national association of industrial office parks that conference happened as well and our southeastern economic development council that was the first picture there you'll see we received the award for our team up video that was the joint effort went forward of coast so next slide please speaker's still weird there's any better no you're okay okay all right cool so um just wanted to highlight some of our marketing efforts this year as uh as a whole so as you know we added to our marketing department we have a second person in our marketing department and it really stands to say all the urban media that we've earned this year so um quarter four was almost 700 000 itself and you'll see that we have 2.5 million earned media for the year next slide really cool stat here is that 80 or sorry close to 90 percent of our users on our website are new users so that's showing that our marketing efforts and lead generation and getting us out there to uh new people that are looking to move or people are interested in our services has really um on the upside next slide just another snapshot here so uh over 9000 audience over 200 000 impressions we'll see the video views boosted by more content that we've done with our smart start program and that florida sportsman's video as well next slide highlight on our financial growth here so we have a total of 87 investors now what's really exciting is the board and policy council members that have increased you'll see on the right hand side there we have a santander one of our major projects from the previous year that has joined our policy council as well as bank of america that's become an investor homes by west bay has actually become a board member um e assessments inc and the seventh grad uh cbre and philips and jordan which has also become a policy council member so um it's very exciting time for our board and our policy council having a very good mix of individuals in there to give us their uh share with us their expertise and leadership next slide so some just leadership highlights already mentioned the board and policy council members our task forces as you know our bylaws require us to have two task forces every year so the

sustainability planning task force has concluded and that report is underway to come up with good guidelines on long-term sustainability for our pending programs and the reassuring task force is also coming to a close as they identify trends and understanding how we could potentially reshore relocate companies that have production overseas and bring it back a little bit policy council working on uli revisiting that tap study so that's very exciting and also the ceo roundtable which has been somewhat dormant the past couple years has been reimagined into the executive success program which you'll see in your slides which is a more inclusive monthly curriculum that's helped to increase engagement with these executives in the area not just the ceos but all across the season next slide and just some of our upcoming events so meet the members is a new event for us that's an opportunity to um we're inviting our investors to meet our incubator members you'll see in the penny presentation here we're actually at 34 incubator members right now which is an all-time high so very excited to introduce the investors to them economic forecast luncheon already around the corner again in january uh looking at a date on grove pasco which is an event for our entrepreneur ecosystem and uh team up is getting reimagined as well into uh uh fun corporate field day so we've had initial conversations with florida sports coast and uh we're excited to get that going as well so that i'll stop and ask any questions on the mou presentation any questions i got one quick question okay actually two on the graph you showed you had a big jump going through and then the new 8.9 i guess thousand new members what do you attribute that big jump to was that which which members are you making um if you want to go back a few slides okay go back a little bit are you talking about investors maybe the audience went up those slides before that right here all right so you got 89 of new users and then the graph on that page right there right it shows a huge shelf what do you attribute that spike in both those numbers yeah so that should align with our team up video that we did before to sports coast that's right there i find it's pretty small for me there too but i believe that's may and june if i'm reading that correctly that was right around when we held that team up event and we had that release of the joint video that we did before the sports coast later on there's another spike that's right up at the end um that one it's a timber i know there's been a lot of buzz around

the crate and everything that's happening with the grove i know that there's an increase in smart starch what am i saying content that's coming out youtube videos so it really has to do with an increase in shorter videos social postings and uh getting out there and promoting and um you i think you got october 26th coming up meet the members yes any reason you're scheduled on a tuesday when we've got a board meeting um that that was a time that fit well with the uh with the crate or i'm sorry with the grove and then because we are holding that at the incubator itself so we're trying to be respectful of the incubator members time and making sure that we can have something that fits well that's in the evening yeah that's a five to just a follow-up on commission mariana what what's what's the date on that again october 26 on a tuesday so i will say considering this board and how much work they've done and staff's work they've done on that project more than anybody um you need to change that okay i'm just being honest there should be an opportunity for the board especially the district commissioner that is now the chairman to be able to be at that site for something so monumental than this um that's something that just has to i'm not trying to throw you on the bus but that has to be thought about and you got staff members out here in the you know just velma sign the planning side that work very closely heck i remember the first time that they they purchased the thing and i sat in a room with every staff member there um prior to them knowing that was commissioner oakley's district because people you know forget sometimes whose is who but yeah that should be something that should be arranged prior with this commissioner schedules prior to being ever scheduled so i would highly suggest rescheduling that i understand i can take that back um just kind of being the de facto voice for manufacturers moving to the county and all the program the program that we've started i definitely um used to be really involved in preliminary conversations when manufacturers were moving here and i feel like that's kind of dropped off a little bit so i think it would be good for um that that um to continue to be re-established did everything all right thank you well i'll move on to the penny presentation really really briefly i'll just go over the highlights and the rest of it is in your packet um you can go over to the next slide please so just a highlight on ready site so

we're currently at seven sites over uh 2100 acres that eight site has been assessed and invited into the program so we're repenting on that coming up we have the trade mission to germany so that's in november we did help a virtual uk trade mission in september had over 40 attendees in a very successful virtual event um enhanced marketing you'll see again mentioned previously the sedc award for the um for the video that we put together before sportscoast we also received two iedc awards um so that's very very great for us that's our peers and a great economic development organization as well as like i mentioned some of the smartstart video testimonials that have been put together next slide workforce connect so we have got 43 primary target industries that were assisted and here in paso county with workforce connect the executive success program i mentioned previously and smart start like i spoke about has has really taken off and that is that 34 incubator members right now which is a high point and we continue to move forward on that program a question and i just texted jenny um i know she's been waiting to see the text of the friendship agreement that we're going to be signing with gamershine and um jack you were on the board when our german friends from that area came here i don't know five years ago or so it seems like yesterday and also uh kurt browning michelle baker and i traveled there i don't remember how long ago also for a visit and and we have a school school board administration here today you may some you may or may not know that this area of germany sends students to pasco county they go to river ridge high school and take german classes and we send students over there although frankly we haven't paid enough attention to that and i would like to put more effort into helping our students have that experience to go over their course with covid it probably didn't happen but we also had two students from river ridge who did a summer internship in that area with the um mercedes truck manufacturing plant there and um so it's a great experience uh for our students to to be able to go over there and for their students to come here and um so we're very excited this will be the first agreement that we're doing with another country and um i don't have the text yet so i know that we're waiting to see what that

kind of looks like i'll be bringing that to the board i'm hoping i can bring it today maybe the end of the day if not october 29th and then we'll be doing a formal ceremony over there so um do you know you probably don't know um absolutely agenda i'm not sure they were attached though okay so okay well it wasn't ready to present yet so but that's exciting yeah all right all right thank you all right thank you very much all right thank you thank you uh before we go on to the next item i'm going to um open public comment back up for one person that called in that wants to come speak to us and we'll do that and then we'll get right back on um on the record items so what's the latest mean no did you is it mrs stower okay i am so sorry for being late there was an accident so i got held up um you guys probably know what i'm coming here to talk about a name and address uh tanya sallier 10-700 philly lane okay um after about a week or so of rain uh effectively the road is mostly clear we still have a tremendous amount of water overflowing out of the swamps if you guys have been out there you know that mother nature managed to clear up a lot of the flooding before you guys made a decision on what to do just because the water is dry does not mean we don't have a problem anymore we began counting the camp the county in april of um this last year for this last round of flooding and our emails and phone calls have gone unanswered um i've emailed just about everybody who i could find including mr mariano and mr carabella and i i have no idea what you guys are doing about it absolutely none our vehicles have suffered damage our neighbor is still having to park across the street in order to get to their house we have suffered damage to our driveways and our yards do remain flooded one of my neighbors cannot get to his livestock i don't want to be doing this again next summer this is not the highlight of my month put it that way i'd like to know what the county is doing and what the next step is and why we aren't being treated like other communities in pasco county i'd like to know what happened to all the promises that were made i have multiple emails that dating back to 2019 that were promising you guys would do something and nothing was ever done in 2019 the flooding cleared up on its own as it does once we start hitting a more sunny period i would like to know what can be done so

this doesn't happen again and that i'm sorry for interrupting and i decided to make it really really brief this time you guys have a wonderful day all right thank you for your comments mr chamblin yes and you know we've talked about this we're doing a study in the area it takes time to go through it we've been out there staff's done a lot of work out there it hasn't been to this satisfaction as far as pumping in some areas where we say we can't pump or not but uh maybe if you would before you leave my car bella in the team maybe you sit down and review what we have what we are doing what we have done we planned it thank you okay commissioner i have a question do you know what the elevation of the houses are there it's very low and it's the bottom of a basin that the water goes there i mean years ago we first when i first got elected 2004 when the hurricanes were going on they were actually pumping on philly lane up the hill and the water would come right back down so okay the challenge is the elevator challenge we're working on it but it's going to take a while to study it to find out what's the best long-term thing to get the water to go and some years it's not going to go all right but steph can stop his staff will be happy to talk with you and show you exactly what we're doing now we're going back to uh we've closed public comment um we'll go back to r 49 and then we'll do r48 after r49 welcome good morning mr chairman members of the board justin wrestler solid waste director r49 is an introduction of an ordinance amending the pasco county code of ordinances chapter 90 article two solid waste collection and disposal section 90-48 rates for collection service there's no funding required next slide please so currently in pasco county rates for commercial collection service are are governed by the county and the way that that works is there's a fixed cap based on the size of the dumpster and the frequency that is cool the last time that the space ceiling was revised was in 2009 so over the past 12 years we've seen that the cost for commercial and residential haulers have continued to grow and when you look at relevant price indices we've seen over a 20 jump since the commercial rate cap was last revisited in 2009 so at this point in order to ensure the viability of commercial waste collection in pasco county we've got to look at revising the solid waste ordinance next slide please so the proposed ordinance introduction that we're presenting here would remove the commercial rate ceiling

forward waste collection and this is really standard practice throughout the state and majority of florida counties either have commercial waste collection that's competitively bid for a franchise system or it acts as an open market and i will point out that a number of counties who practice a franchise system do have an open market for commercial waste collection so counties like hillsborough polk marion pinellas all essentially operate under the system that we're proposing to introduce into the ordinance today um mr chairman i'm gonna hate interrupt i just have a question for you um i'm just curious since it's an open market um why is the county even involved in on the rates on the rate structure if we're talking about a free market an open market on a commercial side of the retail store you know the commercial side of things why are we involved that's what rules will change your day when we get yeah that's well i guess that was just a question why are we though why have we been and why are we you think i think historically when the county was smaller there were less haulers in there yeah um it was a different situation you didn't have the type of competition that we see now yeah yeah i mean free markets free market [Music] mr chairman yeah sure and just another point is hernando county is also open market okay thank you just trying to figure out why we how we even got there so this was sort of kind of moves up to date with the people that are around communities that are around us this would not do anything to impact the residential ranks or residential level of service next slide please so with that the department recommends uh accept the proposed amendment to the passport county credit ordinances chapter 90 article two entitled solid waste collection disposal section 90 s4 race for collection services uh direct assault waste department to advertise the proposed revisions for public hearing before the board of county commissioners on october 26 2021 at the west pasco government center mr chairman yeah just real quick again i'm supportive but i want to go back and show me where we're being actually 100 pulled out of this process so the ordinance is actually and i can grab the text real quick it's actually amended to strike through the section that regulates the commercial okay so we're just doing a strike through okay move forward a second have a motion in a second all those in favor say aye all right all opposed like that motion pass 5-0

thank you justin now we move forward to arc 48. yes sir i'll be doing a clean discussion on that so as part of the every sin every i guess 10 years decade since it does a new census we got those numbers from pasco county back in august and so it's the fourth direction and we sat and talked to each of you individually as far as how would you like to see the new districts drawn how would we like to adjust them based on the population in the way the population came into pasco county so after meeting with y'all um individually uh probably two three months ago right after we got the maps or the after we got the population um we came up with one option and then there were three other options that have been asked to that we've been asked to draw basically put by specific district commissioners and so what i'd like to do is we'll pull up the option one on the screen and i think you have hard copies 11 by 17 of all the options but they're so i'll start off with the the census population as of april 1st 2020 for pastoral county it was 561 891. i think we all recognized that was week three of the pandemic before we started setting sales records i am not sure how comfortable i am with that number but that's the number published by you right now it is what it is yeah it's more like 660. let's say that you missed 50 000 we're underpaid so with that we have um after we sat down with each of you and each of you gave us feedback on what you'd like to see with respect to your district we kind of combined all that and kind of tried to come up with a compromise map which is what i would call my preferred option because that's one based on feedback from everybody and that's the one that's on the board here and so i will go uh one to five and i'll do these on this one because in general the districts for district one and two the proposed districts really don't change in any of the other options so so i'll start off here we'll start up at 41 and county line and the county line for district one this is obviously the east boundary for district five and what we tried to do is follow major arterial collectors as best we could balance it as best we could with population and our geographical features i.e one place so we start up here 41 down to 52 then you go out 52 to ol pasco road down old pascal road overpass across 75 to boyette then straight down to 54 and we don't

make that little jog that boyette does we keep going on nothing van dyke so that's fantastic to 54 then 54 out to river glen boulevard up to hancard down elon morris bridge back to the county line and then you you see the rest of what district one would look like is there a pointer are you showing a pointer i'm here but not on your screen well i can't stop there [Laughter] so i'm not gonna be like commissioner wells and be colorblind well it's blue so we're good yeah i don't see it so i'll start here at 41 and 52 where we actually have four districts meet for district two so district two follows the same line as district one down to the county line then across county line road to call your parkway up call your parkway to 54. 54 to 41 and then 41 back to 52. okay so 41 is the divider yes except for the one little small piece here that we need to move over to balance the district so district three i'll start at suncoast parkway in the county line it goes up suncoast parkway to the enclosed river and we follow lanefield river to the back of aristida then up and around aristida up starkey boulevard river crossing river crossing down the little little down to old county 54 or county road 54 that across 254 then up rowing to trouble creek and trouble creek out to its current boundary of us 19. and then follows the current boundary up in and out so district four will start so same as district two to the county line the county line over the sun coast sun goes up to anclote river around aristida up starkey boulevard crossing river crossing the little and then the same route all the way back to 19. then it follows the current line up to ridge ridge out to county road 75 i think that's regency regency thank you up to san miguel boulevard that out to little road little road up to 52 and 52 out to 41. again as best we could try to stay with major roads and not necessarily split up subdivisions but you can't do all that and then district five commissioners everything [Laughter] get down the ridge because because we needed that population in four not five um and then up and around here we brought out trouble creek to rowan because i needed that in korean so there are a couple places where we're not necessarily on arterials we're on collectors but as best we could we tried to stay on

on major roads and our major geographical features and balance the population you'll see on this one the population the difference between the largest and smallest district is less than two percent so a really tight number uh for that and again this is the one we tried to build based on all the feedback we got initially from the whole board because why i call it the preferred option because it's kind of well what i would say is we took all your input into a into a blender mixed it up and kind of came out with this i know it's not necessarily perfect um but it's it's what we could do to best balance the population across the county and based on the feedback he gave us and make it reasonably easy to describe what your district boundaries are to uh to to a member of the public or somewhere in the community right tried to make it as easy as possible um so any questions on on that that's good all right so mr yes i'm just generally i'm going to say one thing we'll get to the end of it but just in my district um and i i agree with the seamlessness i actually forgot about one neighborhood that i've spent a lot of time with with the water to summer tree department and it's right below 52 i knew they were cutting the moon lake out and i think that was smart to do it because one commissioner there should handle that whole thing coming through and i think it's good to set that up and i think as bexley grows district four is going to explode anyway but that summary area i don't mind picking up the extra population the sense of that water issue is still a private utility out there i've spent trips up there with the bus i don't mind taking the extra population even to monitor it but i just hate to lose that part and the only description is going to be with the people to say where's my district is along 52 including summer street you know to what we i do have jeremy here from gis and so if you have specific what i'd ask is let's kind of resolve ourselves to one option and then if you have some specific tweaks you want to make to that option then we can we can run those numbers i would prefer not to do it in the meeting i let them go out work on them and then come back so yeah you know i didn't get the population on summer tree before we came in here and i meant to but um so that's that's again that's what i look for just to make i want to make a statement on that um and i don't mind jack

continue to work with those people that'd be good but if that line came you all should work in agreement that it's okay you work over there to help them too because all the citizens here in pasco whether in your district or not i i try to help them when they call me i don't know and i think y'all do the same thing so that line is just a line other than it being your district where you normally look out for those folks and all you can still do that across lines too so know i won't make a big issue but i just wanted to bring it out to uh yeah and so mr chair i can go through the other options i will say that you know mr jackson's here from the school district well that's someone will call me yeah yeah and and so they don't necessarily you know they did in 2011 adopt the same map everybody adopted the same maps but that's not necessarily required you know but you ought to take that into consideration it makes it easier um but he is here if you want to ask him but well um you know i i made a few phone calls this morning because i i wasn't involved in redistricting in 2010 because i was coming out of the school board um and i finally um through texting because he called me when i was on the phone got a hold of john gallagher and i would say that last time we did redistricting there was a committee meet of three county and i think he told me three county commissioners and two school board members um and i i you know i'm not sure why we didn't do that this year but um but uh i'm just speaking to the aristida line because we do have a school board member who may or may not choose to run again like i haven't decided if i'm running again next time yet but um you know we don't want to draw out i think the rules are you can fit you can finish out your term in the district even even if you've been drawn out but however if you want to run again then that makes an issue so um it in my opinion it'd be very easy for the school district to bring their line on that bump down to panicking or take out at rc whatever they want to do to make sure that the school board member in that district is not removed from her district so just wanted that point right jeremy's here to check my numbers but i ran on the rsd the number and it was like 277 people there's a population of that census tract but so not a huge number yeah and that there's a there's a line

where it can be made in the in the neighborhood or they can take the whole neighborhood that shouldn't mess up everything else for everybody mr chairman yes sure so so back then way back when there was actually all five members of both boards sat together oh he took the final two i mean it might have been previous that a though i don't think i asked for 2010 yeah absolutely not steve lukhart was actually worried about what was going on down around the cities and because one of the schools would be taken out but they went along with it it just they still work together in the district et cetera to say look we're going to still represent and they did uh so i i think what we're what we get set up here is commission more i think your district makes a lot more sense coming over where it's going to go uh commissioner starkey i think way back when you know commissioner hildebrand was fine with it going all the way out there she kind of liked that mall yeah crazy crazy very great and i think you know commissioner with this great relationship with zephyr hills as well going right in there you and i think the tweaks that were that are being made here are really good yeah okay i mean do we need to keep looking at maps i'll make a motion improvement map one right now i mean this is i mean yeah i mean yeah i mean you took everyone's everybody's input and you needed a balance but the objective i think mr steiner could step in is a balanced population um and then we did this based on feedback this one looks good to me i'll make a motion to prove about more second okay and that would be to put that out for public here correct yeah for for this new district lines okay i gotta i gotta go ahead does that mean we still consider the few tweaks or we just okay with just working with us okay so i'm okay with that as well i just wanted to make sure i could continue to work on the projects that i was already working with thank you okay so i have a motion in a second to approve i guess the first map the preference map and um we will um all those in favor say aye aye all opposed like saying motion pass 5-0 so uh mr gab would you like to step up and speak to the board while you're here you tell us how awesome we are well what i have to say is now irrelevant

but uh in all reference um to mr biles because i know we worked hard on putting this together uh in fact um the county commission and the school board did meet together in a board workshop in august 16 2011. back in the early 90s it was actually our superintendent kirk browning had suggested that for confusion with your constituency that we try to combine the district so that school board districts and commission districts were the same and so in 2011 we met we adopted the same district the school board did that by resolution you've already pointed out in the little bit of discussion you had that one of our school board members has been cut out of district four and is now in district three uh mr starkey um i don't think anybody on this board other than ms starkey participated in that 2011 meeting no i did i wasn't elected i was uh joe blow in 20 2000 um you weren't a school board member no i had run for the house for 2010 um the um the issue for us of course is that um we thought it was a good idea to have commission districts and school board districts that were the same in the past we cooperated on that now we have a school board member ms crumley who is carved out of district four and therefore the district is going to have to do their own commission districts and they very well could be very different than yours i was hoping to have some discussion on that so that our staffs can meet at least one time in the spirit of cooperation but you've already made that call and i think it's unfortunate that the school board and the county didn't meet to discuss this issue prior to that decision being made so the question is why does it have to be real different exactly just be a little tiny a tiny tiny tiny section hundred houses why is that real different it would be like a hundred houses well you'd have to you'd have to make that adjustment or we wouldn't have to make that it's just a tiny carb of like a few and then she's no longer carved out but the districts are different then yeah when i looked at it but you also have to be aware that none of my school board members have seen this map so they could make that simple adjustment and then adopt the districts but i don't know what any of them think about these maps as i look at these maps they look okay to me i don't have major problems with them but a school board member was cut out of their district so it will be incumbent

upon us to adjust our districts and go through the public hearing process and so forth as a result thank you mr james okay race where you go i mean i think we lined up pretty good we've got a solution so nobody's going to get carved out if you guys can make that adjustment um the the changes we've made are pretty simple if you if you're really pushing that we want to do a another five-on-five meeting i don't mind no time but timing's critical maybe maybe show show the maps and have a discussion and maybe mr biles can go with it and if we need to make some recommendations make some tweaks back we can take a look at it well i mean if if our goal is to keep the districts aligned and that's may not be your goal but it has been in the past and um then someone is carved out so the school board maps would have to be different than the one you proposed right well we know we we know we've got a situation our goal would be to do that in a normal situation this is a very rare situation with two members living in different districts that go we can accommodate both of them we can accommodate our commissioner here in hers and you guys can just make that little bit of a tweak which should be less than 200 people in a population depending how much it's not a big shift but again courtesy for the rest of it if they want to show the map and have our objection to it to bring it back to us yes sir just a couple points remember we got about anywhere from four to six months less time to do this than we did in you know a decade ago because of the pandemic and census delay in getting everybody the data not just the cities and counties but even the state reallocation was you know three to four or six months later i remember the exact date so part of the way we went through this because of that we really just didn't have the time to put that together so i also i did a little analysis and i know it's more by population than by schools but i had this conversation with another school board member megan harding has 12 schools currently in her district cynthia armstrong currently has 14. um alan altman currently has 19 but mrs crumley has 22. so she has 10 more schools in her district than megan hardy so and and that's actually very irrelevant when you're talking about redistricting because it's about a population distribution based on the census not the number of schools so that's completely irrelevant

my only concern is that it is a little tweak as commissioner mariano says if we just want to adopt what the county commission has already done carve out that piece it's a little bit difficult for us to do because we haven't been involved in the process from the get-go so none of our board members know what these maps look like and so forth but listen i'm not going to beat a dead horse i've made my point and i appreciate you hearing me out thank you thank you mr miles just one separate from that the agenda memo mentions that the public hearing would be december 7th but it says they'd see that meeting is actually new for richie we would like to keep the december 7th meeting but have the public hearing to do for richie do you need money yeah that's where the december meeting will be will be in newport move to have the next meeting on this december 7th in newport team yeah public hearing so public hearings so you want to direct the clerk to advertise it for public hearing basically the motion which is in your your staff your staff report except changing the location to newport richie rather than dead city yes that's my mission and did i hear a second second all those in favor say aye all opposed like sign motion pass five zero okay um that ends the uh regular items so we'll move on to old business mr moore all right we have a we have a video play i thought this would be fun because we were all there obviously on september 30th we have the ribbon cutting for the new recreation center at wesley chapel district park i know i don't want to commissioner oakley is probably going to talk about it too but i want to show the video because they did put a video up we could see that and if you while you watch this you'll you'll notice some future nba players in in the video i'm not sure about the future part of it well we can we can have we can have us we can have a um a senior league for us over 30 league over 30. [Laughter] [Music] so welcome to the new wesley chapel recreation complex in wesley chapel at the district park 3 2 1 this recreation complex is also the largest indoor facility built in pasco county in a park facility in 30 years this is for the entire community this is what makes pasco county premiere in this park's career it doesn't matter what it

is it's here for you we're excited about it park and recreations have done a tremendous job not only in this facility but throughout the county and we're just so happy it's open now yeah i mean we're basically trying to encompass everybody and include everybody all inclusive programs as well with our inclusive playground obviously we have a gymnasium we have um six pickleball courts two volleyball courts um one full regulation basketball court and then two side ports so that in itself will bring a lot of athletics a lot of programming for the older population the pickleball when we go into our multi-purpose rooms we'll do anything from yoga to fitness classes to toddler time classes we have zumba salsa dancing so really a wide scale a variety the project is funded by park impact fees which is driven by obviously development there's a single family fee per individual home and all the fees that are collected is basically what we use to to build this facility i think there are essential services that impact the quality of life and i think it won't take very long for the community in wesley chapel to realize how impactful and meaningful these type of services and a complex like this is the team has been amazing they are so excited you go over there and take a tour deanna dennis and the whole crew over there they cannot wait to showcase this amazing facility for our citizens of pasco county thank you to all the team there [Music] great job to our media relations communications office we're going to watch it again it was so good but after commissioner i know commissioner starkey would have been there but she was on a mission actually i think um you know a counting deal and i think you work and you're supporting the county somewhere absolutely yeah um but uh what you didn't see is after commissioner oakley left um commissioner fitzpatrick mariano had a little game of pig we're gonna do horus but we figured it'd take too long but we did pig so that was fun but congratulations everybody this is a month you know just a great event and um thanks to all the commissioners that um obviously supported this and continue your support for that area um i don't really have anything else so i think i'm i'm done so thank you all so very much okay okay so i've got my five photos that are going to be my weekly little thing here so they can be shown yeah of our our big challenges um yes and yesterday at staff development day my team and i we drove around the holiday area so especially my new assistant katie could um actually see the areas that where we get a lot of calls

but here you can see the amps got on little road as we see the first notice and a second notice they've done nothing there's no the landscaping is gone let's see what else we have golden acres on little road that that is not premiere that look right there okay next here's the region's bank 54 and little um wait the regents bank at 54 and little did put in a new hedge it just went in so it looks good we'll have to get you done before now you have the before and we'll show you that after okay next next photo um sherwin williams gone nothing and come on you can cycle through okay um here uh i think what's going on here is they took out their trees already this is on little it's like brand new but their trees are gone so and i think the next photo is a problem that's persisting in the landscaping those are supposed to be trees and you will see this all along 54. i think we have one cup one landscaping company in particular that goes around and turns the trees into hedges and most of the time they're lower than that i think that might be the new mcdonald's on 54. um but i just saw a brand new one that just opened that did this to their trees sometimes they're little cones sometimes they're just part of the hedge and here they're little balls but that's not that is not a tree and we need to get this company to stop this eventually okay are those oak trees i have no idea what kind of i think that is another tree actually because it could be a little guest room which is no no no they're not with gust pumps but they're not supposed to be doing that that's against our ordinance commissioner starkey yeah on little road a little bit further up we've got the regency park library yeah i know we're doing to read it we would i know we're redeveloping the property but i think at some point we should go put our own shrubs out there to kind of meet our own code out there has been complained about for many times we say we're going to redevelop it but i think that's part of the work that we'll keep doing i understand it's out there now i don't think it's going to affect the construction that's out there it sends a better message that we're going to follow our own code if we do that rather than waiting any further and something that i'm trying to figure out um is how at the preserve that the new there's a new cvs some other new buildings you'll see it maybe some of you when you're going home they don't put any trees and they're

open so and this is brand new fronting state road 54th preserve at suncoast in 54. so i don't understand how that happened i've met with um roberto out there and we're researching it many of the new commercial subdivisions are bonding their landscaping they're not bonding they're bonding it and so which means that you'll you can see it for up to a year okay that's what we need to understand and there's also trees missing internally in there between the the green publics and the other businesses it's just grass and there's no trees no heads and nothing so there's a lot of stuff wrong in the preserve although our administrator did manage to get some trees planted in front of houses um okay a suggestion that i have that this actually came from my staff and i thought this was kind of a good idea because you know i have that harper south leadership council that i've put together because i have 117 hoas and civic associations from little road to the water line from and just that square in my district which takes up 90 percent of the time in my office and we are the busiest office in the county um and so we're we're trying to get you know someone from each hoa or civic association to come to a meeting where they meet code enforcement the sheriff's guys um all our staff on a rotating basis so they can help learn how to solve the problems in their community but it's really hard to get that list and so our staff was wondering what the county thought about having the hoas the cdds and the civic associations register have some kind of register with the county so that we know who those leaders are in those communities i thought it was a good idea it would go a long way to helping us because we it's really hard to figure out who's in there and how to reach somebody in that neighborhood and frankly you want to be talking to the person who was elected by that community to represent them not necessarily the loudest vote most vocal voice sometimes yeah that's a great that's a great thought because we do get contacted by people that live within the cdd or hoa quite often and as you know especially in your district coming down as well into mine there's so many cdds now and so many of the residents reach out to the county commission and we have to tell them sorry you're within a cvd there's literally nothing that the county can do we have no jurisdiction over what's going on there so i we get them constantly in my office we're coming to gut sorry i i can give you my opinion but i don't want i'm not going to give you my opinion you need to talk to the cdd yeah because they're in charge of your sidewalks they're in charge of your rose

they're in charge of your drainage they're in charge of your covenants and all those types of things that's that's what i i i like your idea okay yeah so i don't know what the next step is to it might be voluntary but but yeah i don't want a penalty right right um you know some type of registration some kind of registration okay thanks um i had talked to staff about a potential used car moratorium and um in talking with mr petals he mentioned that he didn't necessarily think maybe we needed a moratorium but that there was a we have a tool to um hey derek can you see if you can send those pictures from the used car lots that we took yesterday there is a tool within our land development code or our process where businesses are on when they got their co they had x amount of parking spaces and most of them are just blown through that and i can show you gigi's otter which is great they put three cars deep in a parking lot that was supposed to have one there's no place for a customer to park there's no way an emergency vehicle could get in there if something happened it's just they're just this is happening in my district jamming as many cars on a what used to be a drive-through gas station or something there's 500 cars on there and the tool is maybe is how many cars would they allow to park the problem is i have at least 60 used car lots in that area i told you and staff is overwhelmed already in code enforcement with what they got going on so i still think i would like to see some kind of moratorium on used car lots until we have a system where we can police them or you know make sure they're moving into a legal place and they know the rules because they're they're moving their their every vacant space is becoming a used car lot in the county and it's coming in your district commercial mariano um i don't know i don't think 301 very often but i can tell you on the west side every minute every failed business is a used car lot 141 we have some and a lot of those people are predatory so i just um i don't know if i need to have the county attorney pop in on that because i know you have to be working on a solution to have a moratorium and i i think we do need to work on a solution well you don't have to be working on a solution you have to be you have to identify a problem and have your staff work on a solution okay you don't have to have you don't have to be currently working on a solution that's the point is you've identified a

problem you see that the code needs to be changed in some manner and you're at and then once you adopt the moratorium you're actively working on addressing that problem okay so i think we do have a problem um i hopefully i can show you some pictures here if they've been sent we've taken gigi to court and but he's been in multiple times and but he's not the only one are you coming up to speak good morning mr chairman victorious peter's planning development department um just to clarify the commissioner noted that there are options available within my development code and what what i had been discussing was that these sites that are existing in the west market area they are generally already planned because they're existing and so they have a default site plan associated with their property they have a building a set building with set square footage and a parking allotment that is presumably related to the square footage of the building that's already on site and then what happens is the used car lots come in these car dealers that come in and then they fill their lot with inventory essentially uh not abiding by the striped parking let's say that's on the site and um there's no distinction between the inventory parking and the customer parking based on the square footage of the building and so what ends up occurring by default is the site plan violation the violation of what's taking place they haven't updated or they haven't updated their site plan or reprogrammed the site in a way that is compliant with the land development code so that's the that's the the concept behind what i was explaining to the commission some of these pictures you're seeing are are not the ones where they've stacked them three four deep some of these are new ones that have popped up since the last time i drove my district cup you know a couple months ago so um they just really it's just unbelievable how they pop up overnight but yeah i i think we have a problem i think we need to work to a station mr chairman yes if i can follow up with what with the planning director for a second so terry is what you're saying the code already prohibits these used car lots that are out that the commissioners complaining about well i'm not saying that the code prohibits because the the use as a car dealership is in the zone they're currently not in shouldn't be there because they are not in compliance with

the land development cup yes okay they don't have a proper site plan so that so a moratorium doesn't stop them from popping up illegally if in fact they are illegal so that so i think if i'm if i'm taking all the input is the planning director saying a moratorium is not necessary because they already are in violation of the code and there's nothing additional to be done because they're not in compliance the commissioner is saying that there are popping up every time she turns around and so it sounds like it's a it's a code issue it's it's an enforcement issue not a new regulation issue well okay i'm going to step in here because i'm going to disagree because because some of them are grandfathered in but they have more cars than they're supposed to have um some of them are have never come in for site plan and and don't have that overlay that used cars and storage have some of that but i think we have to have a discussion of how how many cars should be on a lot you know how how what is what size should a used car lot be i mean there should be some standards that we don't have and i i think we should look at the standards for these kind of things if i might add there is there likely is i'm not personally aware at the moment instances in which used car lots are popping up in zoning districts that don't allow them because they're simply moving into a vacant building like the commissioner is noting so that that could be the case in in some places where they're they're not compliant from a land development perspective because they haven't gotten a new site plan for the site prepared but it also could be the case that they don't also have the zoning in which case then there would be a non-conforming use yeah we have a lot that don't happen right yeah can i jump in can i have a can i pile on a little bit mr chairman yeah um well i'm gonna make it just a more of a general statement um and so you're bringing up some some good points and options and obviously observations um we you know when we have customers applicants that come in for and they're putting in a new business or they're doing renovations and things like that when they get dinged on things quite often and these are good solid businesses that just may have made a mistake here and there not purposely right they're not per they're not purposely trying to circumvent the process they're

not purposely trying to get a tag on on something by any means but you know we get them so it's to me it's almost like more focus needs to be put towards these areas versus looking i'm not throwing listen i'm not throwing stones any anywhere you know at anybody but i mean this is a good point because you have whether it be and i don't want to say car lots right it could be any type of business essentially a legal but illegal business right so i think more focus needs to be put on this and helping our good customers through the process if you're following me i just think there's sometimes i just think there's too much time and effort um what would the action do well that's what i think i just think you know again i'd i would love to see you know more action taking in situations like this versus some of our again small businesses that are again you know maybe they made a small mistake that again not purposely whatsoever but they're still going to get digged they're going to get fined they're going to get their permits going to get held up again it's part of land development code but let's work on helping those through and putting the enforcement enforcement more on these guys and looking for the little small nitty picky type of situations on solidly run businesses that i hear from time to time that we got them on and now i have to work with them and work through the process and get them going again and call mark and right i mean danny knows what i'm talking about we've had a few of those recently mr chairman yeah yeah i'm not trying to ramble here but you know i'm just gonna say i got a phone call today about a gentleman who's got a great business doing a great thing was pulling a permit for something else and got dinged like 20 other things yeah and i got 20 000 worth of fines i said look let's go try to work it through our point is we're trying to get compliance we're going to go through it so i i agree with you that thing there when i look at this here and terry you got to help me a little bit let's and i want to look at this picture and then go back a picture there's no landscaping there either all right so i don't know what the business was there before or just a house there before no landscaping there either um it wasn't a car dealership before okay but but again smile stretch how do we enforce what we've got right that's right when i guess this is allowed to happen from the get-go and i want to say this with redevelopment it's going to be really tough like you say um

because you can't meet all the parking requirements with all the islands you destroyed the business destroy the value of the property we don't want to do that we want to try to work with it but i mean something like that with a guy coming in what do you what do you do how do you write that guy up what do you what do you say to that one right there well i think the important distinction is is that a lot of these businesses may not be allowed outright to do what they're doing on site so to answer both of your questions i think you know what what's the limit on the number of cars for example or what do you do in these scenarios the the question is how big is the site right and we have standards that require certain buffering requirements certain setback requirements from neighboring users and so once let me just stop you for a second though when i look at this here but my thing is it may not have the right zoning might have the right land use et cetera how do you stop that from happening before they can even go because if it's their appropriate land use zoning then okay you could come in there and then if you've got some violations you can work to go to the blinds but if they're not even in the right zoning or land use what do you do terry so we have along there occurring which is gigi's auto and maybe sally's coming going to come up to talk about that one so gigi's auto on also on miles directs there's like four of these five of these now in mile stretch it it was a company there was a nice office building surrounded by homes the homes are around it not on right and left but the guy took tvs took them apart and took out the valuable stuff in the tv and sold that through the internet then he decided he was going to be an auto a used car dealer and boat and he also repairs the cars in his parking lot and you cannot walk in this parking lot i can send you that that video again but we have been fighting with him for years and um we had to take him to court i don't know if you know what's going on terry one question i want to ask what goes wrong with what they're talking about is the fact that how do we send code out there we unless codes can go out there and know all the answers to their zoning and how many cars are allowed and all these things so how do we send code out without or who's going to give them that information so they can go and make that good morning commissioner sally sherman assistant count administrator for development services currently we have a strike team in the 19 on the 19 area doing the mile stretch area that is doing enforcement on these used

car lots and we first of all go out and we issue a war taken into consideration what commissioner moore is saying we're letting them know this is not legal and then after we give them that warning we give them so many days to correct if they don't correct then we go out and do a citation and let them know that they need to come in to get approval during that time period the staff is also researching to see if they have an approved site plan if they have if this is a change in use that they need to come in and get approval for that so the problem is it takes a considerable amount of time because each opportunity that you're out there talking to them and citation that you're issuing there's time limits associated with it in commissioner stark is absolutely correct by the time we do like a half a mile and we're headed in a dif in a direction going down to say let's say south somebody else has come in and put in another used car lot and we're working with them we're trying to do as much as we can it is a matter of resources we've got david ingles involved with regard to trying to help those come in and say we have grants for landscaping so there's a lot of effort but it is a huge problem and we do have a strike team working on it and that's trying to get get it under control but we can put more resources but keep in mind as we put more resources to it there's unintended consequences like just to get them in front of a pdd for a site plan review that's up until now we're in january before they can even go to get that done so we're trying to think of ways and always um listening to uh the commissioner as far as what's going on and out there and trying to be responsive gigi has been going on for years they simply will not comply and it is in court so um our county attorney's office is trying to address it through the court system but he's still refusing to comply this this is what's happening this is this is not fair to this neighborhood this was an office and now under that i mean look at he's working on a car right there i mean it's so much in violation and they're they're parking um i mean it's just it just boils me i just feel so bad for that area that this is what they drive to to get home this is popping up everywhere and we can't turn our back on it no we got to have the answer how to move forward but i think we need some standards for what a car lot what can and cannot be a car like a size how many cars can you park on a car lot within the landing performance there are requirements with regard to

car dealerships i don't think there is anything landscaping i don't think so i think you know you've you have we have landscaping requirements sound requirements because i helped write that um worked on that ordinance but i don't believe we have anything that says how many cars can you park in a a in a dealership and i would say the same with boats and everything what is the appropriate ratio of land covered with a car there are two terms that you're intermingling there's a parking threshold but that's customers coming to the law yeah and you are probably correct that there's no coverage of cars on the asphalt that we have in the code i'm not aware of anything like that so as long as you're within your setbacks you can cram as many cars as you can on the lot in a way yes if i can clarify though what's so the land development code has parameters for a parking stall it has parameters for the width of the drive lab it has parameters for a setback it has parameters for buffers landscaping et cetera you a complete site plan for these types of uses and for really any commercial use is going to meet all of those parameters what you see in the images there's no dry vile in that picture right there so there's no 22 feet between the back ends of cars the cars are not parked in nine by 20 spaces for example so an inventory of a car is much the same as customer parking i don't know the difference is is it should it be the dimension should be at least the same because if you park all the cars on your inventory you must leave enough parking to accommodate your customers and not only to accommodate them to park them but to allow them to circulate on the property so how do you determine how many parking spaces there should be per auto dealership right that's really dependent on the size so if a used car dealer really wants to move into this site for example they have to take into account that that site only has 20 parking stalls and he needs x amount for his customers and therefore he can and employees right and employees and employees and therefore he can only potentially park 12 inventory cars on site and then that's a limiting factor to the to that site being used as such as car dealer and then it becomes an enforcement issue otherwise you're you result in this condition well you know i want to give every tool possible to make code enforcement jobs easier because then code enforcement's going to have to be driving by the car dealerships and counting the cars um and it just i just want it as easy as possible and as enforceable as possible to stop this great landscaping too mr chairman so i mean if we if we look at the situation the moratorium is not going to

change anything right right we've still got to code catch up with no no no but because that reinforcement pocket is the biggest issue i i see yeah right and that's that's what you need to get addressed no and you're writing the money and it's it's it's a disaster no question about it and that's not the way we we set the properties up to be from the zoning or the land use so somehow we've got to deal with the ordinance if we need to go change the way it's listed if there's a way to change it for enforcement to make it easier to make something stick we're going to shut someone down i mean i've seen you go in hotels and kind of put red tape everywhere and shut everything down it's not safe to be can you do that type of thing here you don't you don't have the same sort of you you don't have uh can we tell them i'm sorry life safety someone can contribute i asked the fire department to go go check that if that was a life safety issue right there there's no way they can get an emergency vehicle in there that parking lot i mean one of those cars those cars are so close to each other if one catches on fire boom so to me that was a life safety issue right there i've been working on parking working cars in the parking lot as well i mean i just got to think if you can red tag someone from doing permitting work is there a way to read tag something here about this business is not meeting code uh there's violations here that are being addressed uh we want to caution you for our safety or whatever just something like that we can go do what's that thing in front of the tire it's probably an engine is that a transmission is it really are you kidding me i don't know what that is car parts on the driveway so okay i think the answer may be that if it's a non-conforming use yes you could probably tag them and shut this business down because it's non-conforming to the zoning district um if they are conforming to the zoning district you have to i think the answer is you have to give them a chance to comply it's a citation issue you're in violation of the site plans you need to get a new site plan if you can't conform to the land development group then you need to find your location because or reduce the scope of your business

essentially you can't have 50 cars on site you can only have 15 cars you know whatever the number might be because they're not meeting any other site plan land development requirements and i would venture to say that having no circulation on site would be difficult for ambulatory access or you know if the site is totally surrounded by cars how does the fire truck get up to a burning building so the answer is to send code cutting enforcement out to make the contact and start the process right okay i've been on that job for nine years i have a spreadsheet i've been working on with the commissioner excel sheets and want to make an assumption they haven't won any wars from motor trends or any um anything like that have they no well okay i'm just you know i haven't i've only had one one shut down nine years but i'll keep trying to hope that we can keep doing what we're doing and see if it makes an improvement i think staff sees they've got full support of the board to address us stronger and hopefully they come back with something maybe some results down the road yeah yeah okay commissioner just for you if you don't mind just uh talk more about your um idea about um doing something with hoas and cdds i'm gonna have andy send this to all your assistants and aides hillsborough county actually has a neighborhood relations department they actually manage those relationships with the hoas and cdds so i'll have andy send it to all you guys you can look at that so as a growing county you know i know your budget's done for this year but as a county that's growing this is going to continue to pop up and maybe we can research what hillsborough county is doing with that agency or you can i'll let you this is your baby so i'll let you you know um cradle i just will say newport richie has a moratorium on used cars use car lots in there okay the commissioner is correct that mr mariano is correct that you're a moratorium is not going to stop somebody from opening up an illegal yeah well they can quickly go and say that's right you don't have to go through sight plan wherever you can open up right now that could stop the workload that'd be an easier i'm just trying to help code with their workload do they actually come in and get a license to operate a used car lot so okay so that's the point no they question if they have a site plan they get one from the state i mean i we had an open house we gave a notice to all the dealerships in the area to come in i'm sorry that our staff isn't here we had like a

an oak leaf or whatever a carrot come in we'll help you go through the process actually mr gigi came in and then they decide they don't want to go through the process because they don't want to and they just keep operating we did have one guy if you remember jack that came here that did put in landscaping and go through the process and put do the site plan and and he came in there and complained he said he's on mile stretch and grand he said why did i have to comply and my friend who owns that one down the street on mile stretch has never had to comply what's going on so we did have one go through and that was like five years ago but i'm still here with this problem and it's growing so that's why i'm coming to the drastic measure of saying no more should come in the county until we have this problem solved yeah i think you've got our our support as a board to work on this with code and do what we can to get these things in line or gone okay thanks all right um i want to say um moving on go raise yeah was that some amazing baseball i'm sad for the outcome um but gosh uh it's unfortunate we're not moving on but that was high drama and um you all may not know but i was a bad girl i got this right so um i've always been was married to a professional baseball player so um i've always been a big fan of baseball i just thought the season would go on longer but anyway i'm very proud of our race um t barda did i bring this up at the last meeting that we don't have an interlocal agreement at tubardo with all the members so okay so turns out we don't have an agreement um amongst the counties and the cities that sit on tibarda they have one at the regional planning council they have one at tampa bay water um and commissioner commissioner long pointed out the difference that one is statutory we're created by statute the other ones are created a little differently and so we never went to that step to make an agreement and so we get billed um and we pay but there's no you know it's just a like there's no mou and it turns out i didn't even know this the city of saint p and the city of tampa that sit on dubarda pay nothing what yeah so so um we've decided that it would be a really good idea if we work on an agreement similar to what the regional planning council has and we're going to include the cities in the financial support of tibarda and it also i think will

really bring to light um the challenge at t barter with hillsborough county because they're going to have to sign what the rest of us sign and i'm telling you it's like a stone wall there although i have very good thoughts about the the new tampa city councilman that's joining us who will fill in for um the mayor um he understands that we're a regional board we're not because if you remember i asked the commissioner who sits on tv from hillsboro what because she's stopping everything we're trying to do what is your definition of regional and she said the region's in hillsborough county so that just lays it out right there so we've all been extremely frustrated with her and we also have a new governor appointee from hernando county and i believe we're going to get one from paschal here pretty soon and he saw saw plaintiff's day at our last meeting and so did the city councilman that we have a partner who's not thinking regional and i think i feel better about what's going to be coming from tea party um i attended the blessing of the new homeless shelter that opened up on youth lane and it's great to see that we're going to be able to start helping some homeless families especially now with what's going to be happening with the the covet issues coming to an end with the help from the government and um and then driving around with with my staff in my district every intersection on 19 had someone in the middle walking down the lanes panhandling every single one and then we drove on a private road behind the speedway homeless people we watched someone hitting up with a needle that's the right word homeless people furniture everything behind the speedway actually chased down a deputy to ask him to go a victim because there's a no trespassing sign but um frankly he said the jail's too full and they're not really able to do anything right now so um lastly amp skills had their graduation of their last can we hold on that point for just a second yeah because that is something i've been talking about for a long long time as well um i and i had a thought to maybe these meetings that we have that the argument's all about the right of way the right of way right so maybe these intersections that are the most prevalent we take those concrete barriers and we put them dead in we take all the other concrete around it line it right there so literally they

either have to stand on that barrier or they're going to be in the right of way no no he was walking between the cars at the red light he wasn't in the middle so code enforcement can enforce our codes about panhandling in the right-of-way and maybe instead of some of these other things they're focusing on maybe that needs to be a big focus too but but you have to understand they go they give them a paper and then they throw the paper away and they go out at the next lay and ask them then let's keep on doing it and doing it and doing it yeah i i wish i had an answer i mean if they get enough hassle they're going to go away but i'm not kidding you four intersections at least four people some had two i see hudson all the time sometimes horrible all around so to me let's go make that a focus because that is not good for quality of life it's not good for those people yeah um okay so yeah um skills had their graduation of their latest boot camp they had nine participants two of which were um residents of metropolitan ministries and i um all of them got called back for second interviews from great companies and i believe all of them are going to get hired into careers and going to help all local companies expand um and i want to thank touchpoint because the they opened up their business and had and we had our boot camp at the touchpoint facility there at suncoast and 54. good that's it for me that's it for sure yeah mr pitch patrick now that you just said that i actually want to send a photo about the median or i can just tell you real quick about the median they have a structure in the middle of their median so really there's nowhere to stand so i'll send that over real quick okay so i did attend the sports complex ribbon cutting that was fun to play basketball with the fellow commissioners i haven't played basketball in a very long time so also i would like to mention that i did attend the ampo conference last week i learned a plethora of information and i could probably talk all day about it but i'll mention a few first i would like to talk about how i had gone on a tour of the tribal lands and the way that they supported their elders was very meaningful their elder population is 55 and up in this tribal land area they have 56 thousand acres they have 11 000 people that belong to the tribe there's six thousand tribal members that live on their land and about ten percent

so eleven hundred of them actually live our elders and i did ask about the longevity and their life expectancy and men live to about 60 and the women live till about 75 so their elders is 55 and up now if the elder has a bee's nest they'll go out and they'll remove it for free if the elders have a leaky faucet they'll go on to replace it if the elder's home is so decapitated or they cannot no longer live there and it cannot be fixed they'll build them a new two-bedroom home so i do know in paso county thank you miss kathy pearson we have meals on wheels and we have paratransit that will pick up the elderly or disabled and bring them from their home directly to their doctors and where they need to go so i would just like to make sure that we are doing as much as we can for our elder population and disabled because i just thought that was heart touching another one on when i was on the tour i realized in arizona in this tribal in the mesa area they have themes and do we have the photos no i just sent them and if you look at this in this area they have about one of everything so for dunkin donuts and baskin robbins they actually had to put something tribal on their building to incorporate it into their community and then to the next one they have buffalo wild wings and i believe they have i don't know if we can zoom in but on the side of the building they had tribal lines on the side of the building you can go to the next slide photo we always thought it was very it was different and interesting to see how everything everything is color coded everything is coordinated to match right here on indoor skydiving they actually the lines imprinted on the side was the bird's signal symbol and then of course they on the vertical lines they have the horizontal lines on the vertical side next and also i would like to see pasco to incorporate something like this so they have their tribal and their logos along the bridges they have iguanas on the side of the bridge as well maybe we can incorporate palm trees and things like that and the next slide again they have their tribal landscaping and we have our palm trees and i just would like to know commissioner mariano i did notice a lot of the palm trees going up and down 19. so it looked very

nice and then salt river springs fields of course they incorporate everything in to every business every location that they have there and then the last photo if it came through was in the median it was a structure in the median to where they really they can't stand in the middle of dominion and on my ride to the hotel they actually told us it was illegal to give people understanding on the side of the road money so maybe we can look at maybe if we can't enforce it to the people on the side of the road then we can make some jurisdiction or law to prevent people from distributing and given funds another can i touch on that point would you because that point was brought up once before at least once before by myself uh and i can't remember what the result was mr steinstein was anything has anyone done that that you know of as well making the driver who gives the money responsible that they cannot give to make it a rule that you cannot give to a panhandler uh we'll have to look at it i don't i don't know that i that that i've heard of any florida jurisdiction that has tried that okay maybe we can even take a look at the arizona one given the details on that okay absolutely thank you so again maybe putting palm trees on the side of the bridges or incorporating a theme also they had a lot of companies that offer data collection software that can help determine the number of vehicles that cross a specific point by the bluetooth capability in their car or their cell phones and then we can collect that data and they also have sensors that we can place under sewer lines that can determine the frequency and duration of flooding and this data can also demonstrate our funding needs when pursuing federal transportation grants so i thought that was very informative they also talked about the electric vehicles the autonomous cars they actually have had autonomous vehicles for the past three years they have their street cars that will be starting next year they've been working on that project for eight years they have the light rails and drones last thing that i wanted to mention while i was there i learned a lot more about the divergent diamond and how it will significantly decrease the traffic because it goes from two lights at eight phases for each of those lights and it will end up going down from two lights to one light and then instead of eight phases at each light it's only gonna be one phase going east and west and that should be the original completion date was september 30th of 2022 so hopefully it's done by then it should be

i would also like to say thank you to public works versus working so quickly on updating a few safety concerns in bexley and also i've been working on a flooding concern along rental drive i was out there yesterday and we were able to work with swift mud and housing authority they were able to expedite their permits to fix that to get the permit and so they can fix and get the neighbors relief i would also like to say thank you to public works and staff for working in conjunction with those two projects lastly i would like to mention they do have a back the blue event this saturday from two to ten at gildorgs to support our law enforcement thank you okay mr mariano thank you mr chairman first i've got a one-time repair for lake shore drive it's in hudson off a road uh major partnership last time what's that didn't you dig into our general fund last time yeah this is a small amount though this is uh this is a road that's you know it's just one of those things when years ago it should have been taken over by the county wasn't um uh so the fix is sixteen hundred and fifty dollars pueblo course was already looked at it how much is it sixteen hundred and fifty dollars okay seven emotions thank you so speaking of regional planning council i was there yesterday and i want to say i wasn't pleased with the presentation we got in the sense of it was all staff generated it was something that we as elected leaders and there's like 22 of us in the room never got to see until it was presented uh they did mention we talked later on when i talked with mr engel that they had talked with him about it he expressed his reservations to it um but it is good for the eiffel corridor um i'm not looking for a vote on it right now but look at it through lunch whatever when we get done and then let's have a quick conversation about it is this this uh program here because it's something that's going to help the region and if somehow we can maybe even craft a letter and david you can even if you want to come on up and talk about it for a brief second um this is more like full corridor we're in the i-4 corridor i want to see if we can maybe take a look at this letter david before uh into business today because we have to vote this would have to be submitted to them by the 15th of october but if we can maybe take a look at this how you'd want to tweak it just to maybe put the pasco influence in other including us in the thing how excited we are about it it might be better than just what pinellas county has done here but do you want to just talk about it briefly what you what you learned about it when they presented to you

sure david engel economic growth director i had a webex with the tampa bay regional planning council and they have a proposal with the usf to endorse a smart project down the i-4 card or out to i-95 and i i expressed a little bit dismay why we didn't get pulled in and discuss a more holistic program and i think it's a great idea but i think that we should have been in consideration here especially along the i-75 54-56 area yep so let's look at maybe devise a letter of support include in it should go all the way to i-75 et cetera and we can send that up as a letter of support with the caveat that they know will reach out later on that we want to be in it all right so we'll i'll work with david at lunchtime and what kind of emotion there'll be a motion second got a motion in a second all those in favor say aye aye aye all opposed like sign motion pass five zero and uh just uh and looking at your list here the florida high-tech border i know the guy that was there randy i think uh retired now but i will say they sent a letter in for amp skills to get our to get help get us launched oh yeah randy randy barrow's great guy but yeah i want to i don't want to hurt what they're doing i just want to make sure we get included and we can put the reach in later on when this gets funded we can say hey we were there we won't be part of it too at the meeting yesterday at regional planning council a conversation come up between resiliency the railway came up again so we just talked about that at the team atma last meeting and uh we're supporting hillsborough going forward now we're trying to get t barter included and uh happy to say that uh carl miska nick kiska got a call from t barda saying they were asking about the letter of support and getting work so that's progressing well commissioner cohen from tampa was very talking about how he loved the idea of doing the rail he loved the ideas i think that we did everything and he was also he brought up the the comment about gandy boulevard being set up for rail which i think we had set that up as well for the design of that in the build of that so i think the region's actually the councilman from tampa i think it's nitro he was very positive with it too so i think we've got some good regional people now talking from tampa and i don't think the tampa folks are just looking at what's going on there they see the benefit to the whole region everybody around it as well so as much as commissioner oberman wanted to have a workshop uh sean sullivan for regional planning council reaching out to her to say because some one of the members brought it up why don't we have that workshop there so i

um i'm glad you brought this up because i didn't bring it up here but my understanding is and with secretary gwen and tibara and tma is that they're looking at having and everyone needs to put this on their calendar at the december 10th i think it's a friday tma meeting they're looking at having that be a big meeting with all the elected officials in that in the area okay um i don't know where it's going to be but right now everyone's penciling in i don't go to my calendar but that friday in december that would normally be the tma would be the big regional transportation discussion okay so december 10th yeah i don't know where it is some central location the airport or somewhere but you need a big room that's going to be a biggie it's going to be this could be one of those monumental ones good yeah okay um had a situation with a former uh hoa president no longer there but still cares about the neighborhood and he's got a problem when he has put in anonymous code complaints that they still get tracked tracked back to him uh the negativity to that will keep him from wanting to do it again or affecting others i think you know the service department can take anonymous complaints i know we talked about this a long time ago too anonymous but it looks like we switched away from not taking an anonymous code complaint legislature yeah they stopped it prohibition all right so there we have it all right thank you put them in what's that they can call your office and do your office completely all right that's what we do they still can be anonymous if it there's a certain caveat and do you remember what the caveat is to it's got to be observable so in other words if a code officer can go out there and see it for themselves that's the way you would do an anonymous complaint is the code officer would go out there so our code has to know when they can make it anonymous all right thank you for the clarification appreciate that forgot that little detail that happened up in tallahassee all right uh and i want to say that ampo conference um you know i think it's a shame that i've 17 years i never heard of it i don't know if anybody ever heard about that conference it's a lot of technical stuff but it was also some good visual stuff where you get to talk to the people that are looking back to how they devise how they're going to set the priorities how they look at the funding and all those things i think it would have been good to go

early in my career i'm glad i went now and i'm like christina you went as well i told carl that i thought it was great that he went he actually brought scott one of his staff members there the information they get the networking they do is just like when we go to network with others and learn from others was phenomenal he he's going to probably bring up some ideas of the npo what he thinks he can do that might help us up in the coming years as well so if anybody wants to go i i recommend it's it's a good conference there will be a lot of technical stuff but there's also a lot of good that comes out of it too that you can learn to see what's going out there and one of the things that i learned on the train tour that we took because it was difficult for that region to get together and decide what to do they've got systems where they got some of some of the rail is running electric some running on battery power and then others are just like microbus is picking them up etc so getting our regional stuff together for down the road i think down this rail just really highlights how important that is to get everybody together um so with that said um thank the result of the aid in alabama game is not the reason i had two flights camping just had to sneak that in there um some good news uh just uh we had a chance at the international city encounters management association icma to present kind of our cultural journey over the last four years here at pasco county and how well the culture has changed to now more of a collaborative customer service based and how much improvement that's made in our customer service and the results we see in the community that was so well received i've already gotten two advice to go deliver that same presentation to very to two state associations so it was a huge hit at the conference unfortunately it was not part that was live streamed but it was what i actually made the same presentation alicia pasco a few weeks ago as well so a lot of great things going on here at pasco from a cultural perspective which resulted customer service improved customer service so that's one thing um you know i think that's we got good news here we'll get it out to you but i think that's that's all i have today and i'll turn it back on to you chair mr chairman members of the board uh i had emailed you all a memo uh with regard to the busy litigation that was the skeet shooting range that was out in east county we did not prevail in that case we would we're bringing this forward um basically that our recommendation is to abstain from appealing the trial court's ruling um and direct the county attorney's

office to negotiate and or litigate the attorney's fees demand by the disease as a result of the trial court's ruling okay any discussion which could you explain which one that was that was the olympic hopeful skeet shooter um that was that they had altered their property um to um to basically create a skeet shooting range for her um and the neighbors were upset about the ski shooting the debris that was falling on their property and that sort of thing um but basically we lost based on the joseph carlische fire heart protection act that the legislature passed and the court basically feeling we were preempted from regulating the use wow you can't that's weird but you can't i get that in my backyard well the the problem that the legislation does allow us to regulate formal ranges but the court felt that this was not a formal range so are they still there she hadn't built a structure there enough are they still there shooting i believe so and what about the debris that's falling in other people's property that's a civil matter between the two property owners okay i'm gonna take them but i'm civil okay so i would like a motion yeah what is it so move you got a motion a second all those in favor say aye aye all opposed like sign motion pass five zero uh the second litigation issue that i have for you all is that outside counsel has asked us for permission for them to file another action uh with regard to the advertising oh company that worked for purdue city of pembroke pines filed a initial action directly my understanding is that this is uh there's a middle district uh or a multi-district litigation case this one is not based in ohio this one is based in california [Music] and they've given us to the 15th to either withdraw from or not give them authorization or that they will file on our behalves i would like the board's permission to continue to investigate that with outside counsel and make that determination on your behalf there are some concerns about how the how this case will be treated in

in california uh i know pinellas is concerned about being involved in in the case um and they we're trying to set up a phone call with the um local outside counsel to explain what regional outside council is doing on this case but because this is my last board meeting before that call i'd like you to defer that decision to me i don't really remember what you're talking about i don't even remember i honestly don't remember i don't know what else does so the so the opioid litigation that we're involved in right suing the manufacturers who are the distributors outside council has suggested yet another defendant which is the advertiser for overdue adding that okay gotcha yeah gotcha bringing them yeah we never discussed that one okay no this is okay this is brand new okay okay okay yeah no we haven't had this one okay so the motions to let you continue to investigate i'll make that question right second okay i got a motion a second all those in favor say hi a little further discussion as well if i could motion pass five zero thank you for sure what now at the regional planning council we did talk we had a little presentation from our attorney to look at what they what everyone thought about the the opioid settlement um the general consensus was no one was happy that we were being dictated exactly how to spend the money the damage is part of the thing was pretty much where people weren't happy with it so as you go looking further to go down the road from everyone that pretty much responded in the room they're going to like look to draft something to some type of letter saying for the future ones if not even for the current one we want to be able to use money towards the damages for us to just decide how to spend the money that comes to the settlement so that was just just you know broad base with everybody in the room they felt that way okay okay all right mr clerk i have nothing to present on behalf of the clerk's office okay and i'm gonna save mine to the end of the day you can't do it in three minutes no i can't do it i don't have much to do so i'll say what i'm saying today adjourn later but at this point we'll recess for uh lunch break all right thank you [Music] you