06.08.2021 Pasco Board of County Commissioners Hybrid Virtual Meeting (Afternoon Session)

everyone i would like to call back to order the pasco county board of county commission meeting of june 8 2021 a reminder to everyone please silence all electronic devices and mutual microphones now we will proceed with public hearing agenda starting with ordinances and the first is p76 76 was published in the tampa times on may 26 2021 thank you mr chair david goldstein this is my item it's this is an ordinance by the pasco county board of county commissioners demanding pasco county code of ordinances chapter 2 article 6 division 3 to allow certain portions of the multimodal transportation fund to be transferred to the general fund providing for other amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for repealer providing for severability providing for inclusion in the code providing an effective date commissioners this is an ordinance that was requested by the county administrator and it's intended to create more flexibility in the use of the county's transportation tax increment funds currently these funds can only be used exclusively for mobility subsidies transportation capital and transportation operation and maintenance expenses the proposed change would allow these funds to be transferred to the general fund for other public facilities and services to the extent they're not needed for mobility fees subsidies the exact amount of this transfer would be determined yearly as part of the budget process as some of you may know the villages of pasadena hills has its own tax increment district that is currently also restricted to transportation related costs this proposed ordinance would also allow the voph tax increment funds to be used for non-transportation public facilities and services in voph this proposed change was presented to the voph planning and policy committee and the unanimously recommended approval of the change so with that we're recommending that you waive introduction and approve the ordinance forever call vote we'll take public comment and then approve the ordinance where we'll call though okay madam clerk do we have anyone signed up to speak to this item i do not have the sign-in sheet do we have it i do not have any emails for this item and no one signed up for webex but i'm looking to see if we won okay [Music] wait could we just verify there's nobody at the kiosk or just there's is there anybody at the kiosk there is nobody here for any item

or the tampa bay area the brt we will need to put in our share of that money so we need to keep an eye on we don't know what that is yet but there will be a bill coming here publicly here that did not sign up we're allowed to speak this item seeing no one i have a motion and a second all those in favor by roll call vote district 2 commissioner moore district 3 commissioner starkey aye district 4 commissioner fitzpatrick district five commissioner mariano district one chairman oakley aye motion pass 5-0 next item is p 77 we have proof yes mr chair item p77 was published in the tampa bay times on april 21st 2021. okay good afternoon denise hernandez planning and development item p77 is pd210254 i'll read the item because it was actually advertised as a adoption hearing today but there was an issue with the noticing so in the over abundance of caution we are asking that it be continued to the july 6 2021 bcc at 1 30 in dade city david should i read the item into record and because it was advertised as a adoption today for today you don't have to read the ordinance we're not adopting today so we have to have a motion to do that move to continue second i think we need to call for public we can't take public comment either um because it was advertising adoption yeah i mean i think what denise is pointing out is it wasn't noticed as a continuance so if there was somebody that really wanted to speak today they could they just wouldn't be able to speak at the next meeting right does anyone want to speak to this item do we have anyone signed up to speak for this item i have no one signed up on the machine to speak move to continue second okay got a motion a second always in favor by a roll call vote district two commissioner moore aye district three commissioner starkey aye district four commissioner fitzpatrick district 5 commissioner mariano hi district 1 chairman oakley aye motion passed 5-0 next is p 78 proof item p78 was published in the tampa bay times on april 28 2021 item p78 is p210349 this is an ordinance amending the pasco county comprehensive plan providing for a small scale comprehensive plan amendment so the future land use maps match map 2-15 and sheet 23 changing from 18 major attractors to res 3 residential 3 dwelling units per gross acre on approximately 5.05 acres of property uh this today this is actually a the adoption hearing on this item and we're asking that you adopt the item by roll call vote okay do we have anyone here to speak to this side

do we have any signed up we have individuals signed up but i believe they are probably with the applicant thank you i have um i can give you the names mr joel toole pat gassaway and whitney has it booger okay those are all applicants oh those are all advocates to speak okay um move to a print we gotta wait for people to come in we got a public having no one here just to speak at this time anyone hears i guess speak against it for the record before we have no emails on this um no emails okay anyone in the kiosk all right thank you and mr chair just for the record also um no one on webex website okay i went district 2 commissioner moore district 3 commissioner starkey aye district 4 commissioner fitzpatrick district four commissioners came through district five commissioner mariano aye district one chairman oakley all right motion pass five zero okay move to now we've moved to the public hearings um yeah you can give you okay yeah thank you mr chair there's two rezoning agendas regular and consent the staff will present each application to the board of county commissioners if the staff or planning commission has recommended approval and there's no opposition the application will be considered by the board without further presentation if the staff or planning commission is recommend denial or there's your opposition to the application the applicant will be given five minutes for presentation the opposition will be given three minutes for each individual or five minutes for a group representative and the applicant will be given three minutes for rebuttal any individual disagreeing with the staff or planning commission recommendation or anyone wishing to object to any condition of the rezoning may at this time request that a petition be pulled from the consent agenda in which case that application will be heard under the regular agenda later on during the meeting otherwise all rezoning applications on the consent agenda will be approved by a single motion and vote if you wish to speak to any petition please give your name and address on whether or not you've been sworn for the record these are quasi-judicial publicarians the law in florida's that mere public support or opposition of an application is insufficient for this board to take action please limit your comments to those criteria found within the board's land development code okay item p79 i've not given the proof yet it's published in the tampa times on april 21st 2021.

yes sir if you are here to speak on the items in public hearing if you could please stand and raise your right hand and if you are appearing by webex if you could do the same thank you do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth so help you god thank you okay okay is anyone here to speak against us adam 379.90 mr chair i have the applicant is online so not against it obviously and let me look at here i have um and probably also barbara wheelheight here probably for the appskin as well and that is all that i have signed up and no one else on webex no emails okay there's no one here to speak to this item then we'll remain on consent would you like to check the kiosk or the oh let me check the keyholes anyone in the kiocks there is nobody here for that all right thank you mr chair may i read a correction and to record on that age on the memo please okay okay so um this is pd 21032 for a large-scale comprehensive plan amendment in the name of wesley chapel lakes and today's the we're asking you to authorize transmittal to the department of environmental opportunity economic opportunity i'm sorry and other reviewing agencies there is a typo on page two of six the project address should say at meadow point boulevard at the intersections of state road 54 state road 56 and beardsley our one of my colleagues will be providing a corrected agenda memo to the clerk's office i need a motion correcting that um is that page three that is on page two of your mind of your agenda page three i apologize when i printed it it gave me page two okay so okay uh just correction for me it's on page three okay all right so it's uh i got a motion in a second all those in favor of my roll call vote district two commissioner moore district three commissioner starkey aye district 4 commissioner fitzpatrick district 5 commissioner mariano aye district 1 chairman oakley aye ms pass 5-0 [Music] if there's no one here to speak against the adam commissioner commissioner starkey i believe oh jack thank you commissioner seconded okay uh for no one here to speak against this item then it remains on consent p-80 p-80 proof item p80 was published in the template times on may 12 2021 p8 is ut 21-0358 it's a resolution by the board of county commissioners of pasco county florida

designating that area commonly referred to as kirkland drive as a street lighting service area for street lighting improvements and to levy assessments against the property benefited by street lighting improvements in accordance with the pasco county code of ordinances chapter 94 article 2 sections 94 46 through 94-56 and it comes through with a recommendation of approval is anyone here to speak against this item the only one at the kiocks to speak against us out of do you have anyone listen on webex or speak against that there is nobody thank you mr chair i have someone there's a question mark by it on p80 if they're going to talk on p80 which is elizabeth mancuso i don't know if um she's here in person and she would like to say whether it's would you is this a little item that you'd like to speak on p80 are you going do you wish to speak against this adam okay thank you all right i have another one it remains on consent and i just for the record i have no emails and no one on web experts no email no with it okay it remains on consent d81 item p81 was published in the template times on april 28th 2021 p81 is pd210371 it's a large scale comprehensive plan amendment see pal 2013 this is the transmittal um hearing of it it's a transmitter of the proposed complex comp plan text amendment to suberia policy flu 7.1.34 for king ranch and renaming the area to palmetto ridge updating the future land use map 2-9 in sub-area map 2-9 34 fort king ranch to depict name change and uh today this is the transmittal so we're asking you to authorize transmittal to the deo and other reviewing agencies okay do you have anyone signed up is there anyone here to speak against this item does anyone at the kiosk to speak against us adam no thank you mr chair i have no emails on this and there's no one on webex for it and the only individuals that are signed up are with the applicant approve the consent items it remains on consent i have a question on this just real quick okay uh second second and then discussion um i just want to be sure that there's right away being donated for state road 52 from this property here comes terry thank you mr chairman uh victorious retails planning and development department so uh there would be right-of-way dedicated for state road 52 on the north side from palmetto ridge that's where this project is that would

be handled during the mpud stage okay okay thanks okay thank you have a motion a second by roll call vote district two commissioner morgan district three commissioner starkey aye district four commissioner fitzpatrick district five commissioner mariano aye district one chairman oakland aye and that's for the consent agenda items p78 p70 or p79 p7 or 80 and p81 next item p82 item p82 was published in the tampered times on march 10 2021. okay liam devine planning and development item p82 i would like to note that this item does have ex parte communications with commissioner oakley starkey moore fitzpatrick and mariano pdd 21-7528 in the name of steven stiller tunnel to tower slash parkway boulevard it is a rezoning from a pud planned unit development district to an r-4 high-density residential district the subject site is located on the south side of parkway boulevard approximately a half a mile east of erin cut off the site is currently undeveloped and contains approximately 75.15 acres the owner slash applicant proposes to develop the site in conformance with the r-4 high-density residential district standards the property owner wishes to develop the site for the communities foundation's three programs the gold star family home program the smart home program and the fallen first responders home program the surrounding area is characterized by residential development the subject site has a future land use classification of res 3 residential 3 dwelling units per acre under the comprehensive plan the applica the applicant has volunteered a deed restriction to limit the number of total lots install a six foot high fence along panthers run subdivision and dupre dupree lake subdivision limit the number of lots located along panthers run to a total of nine lots including six six lots being with a hundred foot width along panthers run subdivision um this proposed deed restriction was not the same deed restriction that was reviewed by the planning commission this will be a look at the conceptual site plan with the proposed deed restrictions and then the next slide will be on exhibit b from the deed restrictions which would be the um a conceptual of what the deed restrictions will look like along panthers run subdivision the surrounding zoning to the north and east is mpud to the south and west is mpud and pud the future land use classification to the north and east is res 3 and to the south and west is res 3 and rez 6.

and then access to the site is from parkway boulevard and this is coming with a recommendation for approval from planning and development department and as stated before planning commission made a recommendation of denial but they had a different deed restriction presented to them you speak for the applicant i am sorry yes good afternoon commissioner uh give us your name and also uh state if you've been strong or not sure my name is matthew mahoney i'm the executive vice president of steven seller tunnel towers foundation and i've been sworn in this morning this afternoon um we had a presentation if bray will pull that up or not there we go so as i said i'm here to represent the applicant the stephen silver tunnel towers foundation um you can go to the next slide please um i won't run through this whole thing but we're we're in our 20th year we were created after the uh september 11th attacks in new york city and were named in honor of fallen firefighter stephen siller steven that day was a hero among heroes we like to say when the tarot was attacked steven who himself when he was a child was orphaned at the age of 9 and 10 and raised by his siblings left five children at home that day to respond to the attacks of the world trade center he finished his shift he was on his way home he did not have to go report but he turned his vehicle around headed to the brooklyn battery tunnel which connects brooklyn to lower manhattan and not being able to take his personal vehicle through because the emergency stephen donned over 60 pounds of firefighting gear on his back and ran over two miles to the world trade center ultimately losing his life that day at the south tower leaving behind five small children he was one of 343 firefighters we lost a total of 406 first responders that day next slide in response to steven's death this foundation has carried out 20 years of doing good as we like to say and we have four primary programs we run three of which will be exhibited here in pasco county the smart home program we deliver mortgage-free homes custom built to our nation's most catastrophically wounded veterans that come back from the war against terror these are individually tailored to their needs our fallen first responder program where fallen first responders police officers and firefighters from all over the country um participate in this program when they leave behind small children and they lose their life uh do their duties we pay off the mortgage of those homes if they do not have a home we'll buy them

home anywhere in the country they'd like our gold star program works much the same way we have a member of the military service on active duty who's killed anywhere in the world they leave behind small children we will either pay off the mortgage of their home if they have it or build them a home by the end of this year we would have built or paid off over 400 homes our last program is never forget program that's our annual run walk series the closest we have to land the lakes would be over in orlando we have about three four thousand people participate the new york city race typically has about forty thousand plus people that participate in that race every year we will this morning we announced at the world trade center we will be doing the race again this year to uh after covid and also we announced that we are going to be paying off the mortgages of the firefighters and police officers who responded to the world trade center who are dying of 9 11 illness so this morning alone we added about another 65 families to our list next page here in pasco county um we've we've already built one of our smart homes in 2019 for sergeant first class um anthony kenworthy right here in linda lakes in 2019 he was a former green beret who was severely disabled thanks to his service in the military next slide so the let us do good village which is what we are calling our development is a community created by our foundation which is going to bring these families together there's no greater support system for these uh soldiers who have given so much and their families as well as all the widows of the gold star families and fallen first responders and to be together we bring them together throughout the year different times and we see that bonding some of them have really become like family to one another and creating a village where their children especially their children are going to be able to grow up in a community where other children don't have a dad or other children don't have a mom because of their service is going to do a lot to help those families recover our smart home gold star and fall and first responder recipients will be gifted these homes mortgage free they will choose from three to four designs that will best suit them so it's not going to all be cookie cutter homes this is a sample of a couple of the pictures of some of the homes that we built the smart homes will be on large the larger 100 square lots 100 foot lots and it gives you a real sense of what we do you know the next slide here are a

couple of the other homes which we've built the homes will look different they will have landscaping one of our great partners is the home depot they come in and team home depot does a lot of landscaping for us we make them look as beautiful as we can as mentioned in the deed restriction we're going to put a six-foot fence along the panther run subdivision we're also going to do that to the south of the property as well too we're also going to do plantings we have there'll be a tree planting requirement we'll plant those in the backyards too for extra privacy and we commit to doing that we don't know what the numbers will be based on you know how many trees we take down but we want to ensure privacy both for our neighbors and of course for our widows and children we want them to have privacy as well too i'd like to bring up we go to the next slide cynthia tarapini who's working with us and she can describe any of the issues here with the deed restriction okay good afternoon mr chairman and commissioners it's a pleasure to be back here in person with you today and a real honor to be representing the stephen siller tunnel to towers foundation uh mr mahoney has described the mission of the foundation i'd like to talk a little bit about the rezoning criteria and then specifically about the deed restriction as you can see in the slide the neighborhood will have 103 lots there will all be single family detached homes no townhouses no apartments no villas the density is about two units an acre well within our plan category of three units maker we are specifically not requesting a plan amendment for this site we'll have two entrances on parkway boulevard as you can see where the little pink dots are the southern one is the main entrance and next to that main entrance will be our community center neighborhood park clubhouse and amenity area for the residents there's a lot more information about our compliance with the rezoning criteria in our narrative and i'll refer you to that and i'm happy to answer any questions on that i'd like to spend a few minutes talking about the deed restrictions and walk through that and specifically in detail with you but i also want to say that prior to our first public hearing before the planning commission back in april we had several individual conversations and then a conference call with the residents of panther run which is immediately to the west of the site we've continued to correspond with them through this process and when we revised the deed restriction that is before you today we sent that to the county on may 26th we sent it to our neighbors on may 27th so they would have it as well

so let's just walk through that if we go to the next slide please this exhibit is in the deed restriction it is attached and made a part of that deed restriction and our commitments are both in the language of the deed restriction and on this exhibit but i just want to walk through each one specifically so in panther run it's a little hard to see because they're light but along the western edge there are four lots and there are three lots along that northwest edge within panther run so a total of seven lots in panther run the deed restriction will restrict our project to nine lots and nine homes in this same area and you can stay are colored the green lots are the 100 foot wide lots for the for the disabled veterans the yellow lots are the 60-foot lots but you can also see that not only have we reduced the number of lots but we have placed those larger 100 foot wide lots directly next to the existing homes and panther run so every each large lot is next to the existing home in panther run there are three of the lots that are 60 foot wide lots as i mentioned before and they are in yellow and again they're focused away from the edges of the development since all since the 100 foot wide lots will be the homes for the disabled veterans and all of those homes will be one story therefore the 100 foot wide lots the yellow excuse me the green lots will all be one story next to panther run this was a specific request by the panther in residence there are three areas along this edge these two edges that are not going to be developed so they're kind of shown in the hatched green there's one right at the entrance a second one kind of in the middle of the western boundary and another one along in the middle of the northern boundary those areas will only be will not be allowed to be developed with homes they can only be dissolved with park open space and or drainage as matt mentioned we've also committed to install a six foot solid fence along the edges of our property that's shown in dark blue on the exhibit and we're also putting a fence although it's not shown on this exhibit but it is in the language we are putting a six foot fence along the southern edge of our property next to dupree lakes in summary we believe the application meets all the criteria for rezoning the staff has recommended approval and the foundation has made significant commitments along that common border with panther run to address their concerns we believe we've gone above and beyond in our efforts to be good neighbors on behalf of the stephen seller tunnel to towers foundation

recreation center no it will not change it'll be an addition to it i imagine it could be a very passive recreational park that's fine i don't want to know i'm just hoping you'd have to get rid of your clients oh no not at all no not at all i also don't want to build anything noisy next to the neighbors as well so i imagine leaving that is pretty open parkland i just want to add um with the addition of the three park areas along that edge and the amenity center that we were doing all along at the entrance we're now at triple the amount of required park open space we're at about 3.7 acres estimated so we you know we're really trying to make this project something that not only will fit in with the neighbors as we've talked about but that will provide all those wonderful small recreational opportunities for the residents okay mr chair before you i'll go ahead and check go ahead i would just like to say thank you to the developers as well and thank you for the residents to come in ahead of time and the developers for updating your project and going about moving on as well because it's nice to see all the collaboration everyone working together and i do have family that work for new york city protective office and law enforcement so it means a lot thank you commissioner thank you so mr chair because we don't have any ex party forms for this matter in the file um i know that commissioner moore and mr starkey already announced to they met with but anybody else who met with the applicant or the residents could you please state that now so we can get it on the record that you have those party meetings because there's no forms in our package so all right i've met with an applicant myself and a neighbor of of this property so mr chairman i've met with the applicants as well as one of the residents um i thought we had the poem set in so [Music] and just to confirm we did submit all of the meetings that we had as the applicant with the commissioners we did submit those um to the project planner so they are in the official file yeah okay i was just texting my staff thank you okay this is a public hearing and do we have um we'll get those to the clerk because they were received today just just to let you know that's why they weren't in the packet okay oh okay all right thank you thank you but liam did read that into record that they were experts in communications i understand but the forums have more detail than what liam's statement we

have them okay we'll get them to the club today can we just get the board to receive and file the ex party forms now while we're on the topic would you receive them final second okay got a motion second all those in favor say aye by roll call vote district two commissioner moore district three commissioner starkey aye district four commissioner fitzpatrick all right district five commissioner mariano aye district one chairman oakley most advanced five seconds he was just about i'm still waiting for him i'm trying to get to public economy but we had a lot of good information before we get to public comment so uh do we have anyone signed up to speak here today we do we also have someone on webex i have no emails okay um what you'd like to do first mr chair let's hear the person on webex first all right and if they've been sworn okay miss sabrina fernandez you are on webex if you could please state your name address and state that you have been sworn in and then we may begin your comments okay my name is sabrina fernandez i recited 22402 panther run court in my middle lakes that i have been sworn in thank you i'd like to say good afternoon to the commissioners and to thank you for allowing me to speak today i just want to first reiterate that i along with my neighbors have always expressed support of the tunnels to towers foundation's cause and this project overall the new deep restrictions and conceptual plan are much improved from what was originally given to us so i would like to thank the foundation for its efforts to make it less of an impact for us um i've created this simple stuff i've learned a lot through this process and i know that we're definitely not high density or r4 um neighborhood um so i do appreciate what they're trying to do along the edge of our property and i understand that some of this doesn't have to be done but to get that off zoning that's definitely not in line with what our community is we have a more oral feel to our community if anyone's taking a look at it we have happiness that's one of the reasons i bought my home in this community i know that they've offered to put up a six foot fence and trees but there's no guarantee that those trees have to remain there it's not an indeed um i would really like to have a guarantee of some sort of a buffer um because like i said we we've been in this community for quite some time this is new it's going to be a density area regardless of the properties that are

against ours it would be nice to have some guarantee of offer besides the six foot fence also i live along the western edge of the property which is near lots 10 11 and 12. and a few weeks ago just after the um either the first or second maybe we had about this they had a survey to come out and some of those areas were initially going to be developed and there's a very low-lying area there that floods during the rainy season so i just want to be um make them aware that this could definitely be a flooding issue and there's been probably around this edge it's been more now tucked into our community at least as far as where i live and so that love lot 10 is going to be a two-story home that does overlook my property just so you know it's a two-story home and it does definitely overlook my property there it's halfway in the lot so i would really ask them to only do it one story there as well if they can um and i just want to thank the developers again for working with us and the county commissioners for hearing us out today so thank you for your time all right thank you for your comments okay that's someone else's person yep we have um two people signed up but i don't know if that has captured everyone that is here so we have um mr joe clavin mr joe clinton all right thank you thank you sir and i also have signed up uh trina is it van nose trend as you approach the branch i would just remind you if you could please state your name address for the record and also whether you've been sworn my name is trina van ostra and i live at 22430 panther run court in landa lakes i have not been sworn in okay would you please raise your right hand do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth so help you god yes ma'am thank you man you appreciate it um my concern basically is what my neighbor was talking about and that's with the poor density the high density that they're requesting when the rural area there is no other developments that are allowed for density and that's our biggest concern i do live on the western side and my property floods already when we have heavy rains my whole backyard on the back end which i have a 20 foot drainage easement in my yard that i can't even do anything with 20 foot of my yard on that whole back side and like when it does rain i flood back there they go building these homes and stuff i'm gonna end up with more problems

than i've had in the past um when i put in a pool my the elevation was so low that i literally had to bring my patio up two foot so my six foot fence is when i'm on my patio is like a three or four foot fence because my patio sits so high so i literally can see over the whole fence in that whole back area in which they're going to be able to see into my patio area and i'll have no privacy right now when i look out at least i'm just looking at the cul-de-sac in a couple of houses in my subdivision which is their front yard so it's not like somebody's backyard which these will be people's backyards which they will be occupying a lot more and like i said i won't have any privacy at all i have there's two 60-foot lots so two that's going to be two-story homes that with the way the angle of that is we'll be able to look in and see right over and like i said when i'm standing on my patio where my pool area is i'm looking right over my fence so this is my biggest concern right now and i would just i appreciate what they're doing i'm from the military family and i really do appreciate it i just wish they would go more with the r3 instant r4 density if you would just you know have them approved for just an r3 instead of r4 thank you so i'm looking at your lot uh here and is that your garage that's in the front no is that your garage so are you what was your address two two four three zero is your name trina yes ma'am yeah so i'm looking at your lot it looks to me like you've chosen to put your house further back than your neighbors i mean it's pretty far back on your lot so that well i didn't build the home well whoever whoever said i brought the home but it's definitely pushed back to um to the back part of your lot so i think you know that that's gonna be a risk when you when someone chooses to sight a house so far back like that i'm not really certain what you're talking about but like i said i added on my commissioner i mean i it on a patio so that brought it out a little bit more my my garage faces the west it's right on the side of the home and in the garage so i did that on that patio but like i said with the elevation i had to you know bring the whole patio up so like i said i won't have privacy yeah yeah all right thank you for coming thank you thank you so much that is all that i had signed up but i don't know if there's anyone else

in the audience does anyone in the audience wish to speak to this matter come just as a reminder name and address for the record and state whether you've been sworn hi my name is shelby carrero and i live at 6448 pa plays i have not been sworn in okay if you would please raise your right hand do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth so help you god yes thank you so i just wanted to thank the county commissioners for meeting with me over the course of the last two weeks i appreciate that i also want to thank tunnel the towers foundation um they have worked with us for several months now and i think that we have finally come up with a compromise on both sides and i greatly greatly appreciate that and again to mimic all my other neighbors um i think that we couldn't ask for better neighbors for what you guys are doing and we are excited to see what they're gonna do so thank you and thank you guys thank you thank you is anyone at the kiocks no emails all right thank you and no emails on this item yes okay pleasure to the board see you now moving forward second got a motion and a second always in favor say aye by roll call vote district two commissioner moore aye district three commissioner starkey all right district four commissioner fitzpatrick district five commissioner mariano aye district one chairman oakley all right motion passes five zero okay um p 83 item p83 was published in the tampa bay times on february 17 2021 [Music] thank you mr chairman um before i get started i do have an updated sub-area policy that was uh as of last friday there's one more revision that i'll read into the record once i walk through my presentation here thank you mr truman item ptd210290 is the comprehensive plan text amendment the name of cpel 2014 central pasco employment village next slide the proposal the proposal is to amend sub-area policy flu 7.1.12 as a text amendment and the location of this is on the south side of state work 52 between colorado parkway extension and bellamy brothers boulevard that's like we in researching and in reviewing the proposed amendments to the sub-area policy we've looked at these policies that are in the comprehensive plan itself 7112 as well as the central market area which is policy flu 813 we also looked at the ec employment center future land use

and the con conservation future land use next slide this is the location of the central pasco employment village it's right in the middle of pasco county in the central market area next slide this is the conceptual master plan for the central paschal employment village really quick to walk through the colors for everyone the target businesses corporate business park and light industrial are the purple colors the red colors are the commercial the yellow color is the corporate business park specifically and then the brown orange and peach colors there that you see are the residential designations high residential medium residential and low residential respectively there's also a collector road network that is established within central past employment village next slide this map is illustrating that the entire employment village is within the ec employment center future land use next slide and this slide is illustrating that much of cpev is ac zoning currently next slide so to sum up what is actually changed within the sub-area policy there are six changes that have taken six major changes that have taken place five of which i've outlined on the slide and i'll get to the sixth one but we've established ec and ec sites initiative and employment center sites initiative it was previously discussed at the lpa as well as in the agenda memo as the service writing sites but not any longer in the sub-area policy the city of policy is discussed as the ec sites and these are intended to ensure the availability of sites for employment uses with supporting infrastructure that's designed permitted and constructed in place to accommodate employment uses the next big change in the subarea policy amendments is to authorize the increase in the single family residential cap to 50 percent taking it up from 20 so 2 250 units of the total 4 500 can be single family residential per this proposal the third major change is to remove the department of community affairs mandate on affordable housing which would be consistent with the elimination of similar provisions in other projects the fourth major change is to enable a case-by-case mpud level review to determine appropriate timing and placement of school board facilities the fifth major is to enable an exchange of entitlements between cpep landowners and tracts by mutual consent and allow the master plan to administratively be revised accordingly this one needs a little bit of explanation as it wasn't quite talked

about at the lpa originally the cpev was designed to have one main mpud for the entire area about two years ago in 2019 that was changed to enable multiple mpuds to happen within central pasco employment village when it was one mpud a single land use equivalency matrix could provide for the exchanges that might take place within the planning area but when it all went down to multiple mpuds each mpud would have its own land use equivalency matrix that was not necessarily communicating with the other land use equivalency matrices that were that could be established in other mpuds this provision basically restores and goes back to the original concept that enables landowners and tracks to be able to make exchanges in their in their entitlements and in their designations the sixth point that's not on my slide is the addition uh and requirement for mandatory notice to cpeb landowners and a mandatory neighborhood meeting to each individual mpv application process and to review the proposed cpv entitlement allocations for each mpud or ecm pud and this is essentially to ensure a fair and proportionate allocations take place amidst discussion with all property owners within cpeb i mentioned that there was a recent revision to the sub-area policy that's not in the copies that i just provided as it came very recently so it's it would be in policy provision 810 8.10 and i'll read it into the record uh for the sake of the of the public hearing here today at the time of mpud and or ec mpud rezoning cpev land owners are authorized to exchange land use designations between cpev landowners if requested by such cpev landowners the total overall entitlements and the allocation thereof for non-residential and residential entitlements approved for cpeb shall not be exceeded in the aggregate the cpeb master consul plan shall be administratively revised with each approval of a mpud or ecmpd without further plan amendment being required for such concept plan revisions in order to ensure that individual mpud or ecmpt applications in cpeb do not utilize a disproportionate amounts of the aggregate non-residential or residential entitlements each mpud or ecmpd applicant in cpeb shall be required to conduct a neighborhood meeting and provide written notice of such meeting to the school board and to every owner of vacant land in cpeb that is greater than

10 acres in size regardless of distance such written notice shall include a the residential and non-residential entitlements being requested in the specific mpud or ecmpud application b the percentage of the aggregate residential and non-residential entitlements being utilized by the specific mpd or ecmpd application and see the remaining available residential and non-residential entitlements in cpev if the mpud or ecmpd is approved so having read that depending the board's pleasure i can add that into the sub-area policy and then that would be included in the transmittal to deo next slide the planning and development department is recommending that the border county commissioners authorize the transmittal to deo and other reviewing agencies of the proposed comprehensive plan amendment for central pascual employment village uh providing for a text amendment to sub-area policy through 7-12 and that completes my presentation okay thank you uh africa um miss jim before before the apple comes up can i just a couple questions okay come back terry excuse me he wants to have a discussion before we'll come so terry from what you just read if the landowners agree to change the uses it's going to affect that map a bit yes are you comfortable allowing that happen in case those purple areas will be closer to the red or residential areas coming in too close to the industrial you're worried about how that may play out well the map would have to be the provision states that the map can be administratively uh reviewed and approved so we would be able to see how those exchanges are taking place didn't have to a public hearing but the staff will look at it yes okay and then we would recreate the map and everybody would be on this okay on the same page so staff's still in control where it goes from there and if the people don't like it they come back to the board anyway yes okay on the allocations as far as now moving the residential single family up to 50 percent um i'm okay if that number goes up to as far as 75 percent i mean i don't i'm not limited to holding that number there and that would give them more flexibility in case they want to go that way and all the rest of the blood may feel good i'd be careful to put too much residential then you end up with smaller lots right we want to keep those communities growing and looking good and we want builders and developers to come and have landscaping and architectural views and

and be a community builder not just a house builder so i think that's very important keep that in mind as we go forward because i think we're going actually not because of anything necessarily done but there's some consequences to what we've been doing uh and i'll give you a couple of answers that i i got the last couple weeks one person was having a hard time because he couldn't get a riding mower from the front yard to the backyard and that's a very small lot and a very it keeps him from doing taking care of his home and the other one was the fact about a guy who wanted to paint his house but the only way to paint his house was a ladder he puts the foot of the ladder on his neighbor's property to be able to paint his house and the neighbor says no you can't put it on my property so we didn't mean for that to be happening but we want to make sure that we have good community neighborhoods for the pasco county and that's the way it needs to look in the future and not continue just building houses so can i also make a comment that you may want to hear from mr cronin before you make that change because i know he has thoughts about locating industrial users next to single family and you may have some concerns with that before you make that change i have some questions if we're doing them now and then mr two can answer them too um first of all i know it's too late for this but i gotta tell you this commissioner has a problem that we're i know that we're saying nope you don't have to do affordable housing it used to be when you had a dri i think 10 of the housing um in a large community had to be affordable and now we don't require it anymore do we collect any money to go into affordable housing pot somewhere i mean that's going to be a problem that we don't have that kind of housing around the county you see that in monroe county where the property values got so high all the teachers have to live in dade county and they get bused in i mean we need to have workforce housing and um and that's not the same as an apartment because many of those apartments they can't afford to live in those apartments my next question is uh dividing up the entitlements are the entitlements um divided up per acre say if you have 100 acres you get or say 10 of the project do you get 10 of the industrial 10 of the housing how do you how how do the entitlements get divided and shipped well i think if i may go back really

quick for the on the affordable housing point um the current siberia policy doesn't mandate i know i read it yeah it says to provide a strategy for it so it doesn't preclude us from continuing to do affordable housing it's just that provision itself has been uh removed from this project in the same way that it's been removed in other projects that was kind of a statement of a warning uh you know we're gonna run into trouble if we keep saying we don't require it right we need to have some kind of affordable housing strategy can i just add to what terry said the issue isn't staff agrees with you but we have not been uniform in our application of affordable housing reforms i'm aware most of the ones that have come in we've removed that requirement since the uris went away right so the strategy when we adopted the wire guys to ui was we were supposed to do a county-wide affordable housing ordinance but we never did it well we need to do it that's kind of what i'm saying i'm i agree with you i'm saying i think even developers agree with you that that's what needs to be done as opposed to applying it on a piece meal case-by-case basis right and i would say when you add when you allow for our adus additional dwelling units you also take care of part of that problem you should be we're working on that um okay so what about entitlement distribution so the entitlement distribution is sort of handled by that 810 provision that i just read the intent being that the that there is a continuous discussion among the property owners in terms of how those entitlements get laid out throughout cpeb one of the one of the original challenges with cpeb is that the land use designations that you saw on the master concept plan don't necessarily line up with ownership or you know property lines etc within cpev so the distribution of those designations has been a challenge for the area however um through continual conversation and through the mpud process itself you can begin to establish a fair allocation appropriation because everybody will know who's getting what when and how and they can also make those those uh exchanges in the entitlements so before so if a landowner a and landowner b each have their allotment of entitlements and they want to swap them they can mutually swap them they can come to an agreement and then work with the colony amend the concept plan as commissioner mariano pointed out and

yes they'll be able to adjust in order to make it fit but they can't take away landowner seas entitlements right it isn't the first one in gets to pick the entitlements they want no you still have to abide by the master concept plan itself you can make adjustments to the concept plan you can't just it's not a free-for-all to say i'm going to take all of these because and i i just want to make sure everyone understands that because i think there are some that don't understand that and i thought that's the way it was working um so commissioner stark i just want to make sure you got a clear answer there there is no initial allocation of entitlements occurring here there's an aggregate number of entitlements for cpev but there's no we're not staff is not allocating entitlements to particular property on earth at this time that is done through the subsequently to the mpd process it is somewhat first come first served however there's terry ran into the record a requirement that every time one of those comes in they have to notice every single vacant land owner in cpv to make sure they're not taking too many entitlements so those other lanterns owners can object if anybody comes in and tries to take too many of the aggregate entitlements because some people um may not want to develop their property they may want to enjoy it and i don't think we want to have to push someone to develop well it does it doesn't require it doesn't push them to develop it just they would have to object though if they think somebody's taking too many entitlements okay and then um one other question i had was about the roads so how will how will building the roads be um spread out i mean if so if you're the last one to develop is it possible you could get stuck with a large road bill do you want to try to answer that for you sir sure typically that's negotiated through the mpd process but as a general rule each mpd is going to have to build the part of the infrastructure needed for that amputee so if for example i think there's a major east-west road that goes through the middle of this entire project as each development comes in they're going to have to build their portion of that roadway or some of the north-south roadways they're going to have to build their portion now whether that's mobility creditable or not is something we negotiate through the mpd process but that's all handled later through the mpd process right right okay

those are the questions that i want to be sure well i think we go ahead with people had under understanding if we'll go ahead with the applicant and go through in the public hearing i think a lot of these questions be answered and we'll go forward thank you mr chairman ladies and gentlemen joel two two and associates i represent the slope family they're the owners of a large tract in the center really almost dead center of cpev i'm going to be very brief i requested additional time but i'm going to reserve most of that in case there are questions or any public comment to respond i do wish to introduce six letters into the record uh four are from uh the four largest landowners in cpev i have a letter from the cocalacas family the southworth family the aprili family and the swope family these four families own about eighty percent eight zero percent of all the land in cpev so although you hardly ever get a hundred percent of people to agree on anything we clearly have the support for this plan amendment from from the vast majority of the landowners i also have two letters from employment center brokers who've been very active in pasco county and who have tried to market property ncpev offering their support for this approach for requiring the infrastructure to support the employment sites i think you saw these letters they were provided to the planning commission but they basically are encouraging you to prove this plan amendment so that the infrastructure can be brought in they do believe that this location is marketable if there's infrastructure available for these pad ready sites um and i'll receive a file then thank you second promotion second by roll call vote district two commissioner moore district three commissioner starkey aye district four commissioner fitzpatrick district five commissioner mariano aye district one chairman oakley aye motion pass five zero thank you and mr chairman just to take sworn i don't know if you stayed there i have been sworn and just just to briefly summarize i want to thank uh several people uh i believe that in my 42 years i hate to say of doing this for a living and that's as of this week i don't think i've ever had to work any harder uh on a plan amendment uh we might have worked harder on a dri or a large mpd zoning but but not on a planned amendment that i've been involved in but i want to thank the planning and development department particularly terry pito's

administrator biles mr cronin for edc and all the landowners that have been involved in supporting the plan amendment and also lennar holmes who's been instrumental because they are the proposed developer for three or four of these major landowners who would be the ones constructing this infrastructure to serve the employment sites if we're able to get the business deal together that proposed business deal is contingent on this plan amendment amendment approval if we can get this approved and transmitted then we can roll up our sleeves and get busy documenting the final terms for those business arrangements the applicant and the four landowners whose letters i submitted who again as i said control 80 of this land uh they support and agree with 100 of the terms of the text amendments as the pdd staff has now read into the record so we have no qualm with any of those we agree 100 with them we have addressed we believe in a reasonable fashion the concerns expressed by mr cronin for edc we think we've been responsive to those we also do have an executed memorandum of understanding between southworth cocalacas and swope to actually proceed in good faith with mpud approvals that would implement the exchange of land use designations to facilitate an even larger employment center location toward the eastern end of the property where utilities are more readily available and therefore a better chance of landing users sooner rather than later so uh god willing and if we get this transmitted i think we can move forward now with a path toward a solution again i know there are always some people that aren't happy everyone has their own agenda they have their own concerns they have their own goals and objectives but i think on balance if the goal of the county is to get this large employment center in a very strategic location off the ground we firmly believe that that goal is supported by this plan amendment and then my final comment is i know there was remaining angst which has been discussed today about how are we going to divvy up the entitlements and as i pointed out when that question was raised recently this is not the first time that we've had to deal with that uh if you think about it in vo ph we have dealt with that for 12 years now because this is exactly the same concept each voph village has an aggregate number of entitlements for the village as a whole when we file each individual mpd we have to have that neighborhood meeting we show how many of the entitlements we propose to use we explain how much developable land we

have on on that parcel compared to the whole village and we demonstrate to those land owners that it is a reasonable request that that applicant is not taking more than their proportionate share and of course what's a proportionate share depends on the number of factors what where is your location in that master plan some of these master plan areas are some of these property owners have almost 100 employment center some of them have you know very little employment center and more residential because we have well head protection we have a wildlife corridor so this this this plan was thought out originally so you can't just say well each acre gets x entitlements because some locations are limited to low density residential because they're adjacent to the wildlife quarter or they're adjacent to the welfare on the other hand some people get huge amounts of employment center entitlements and rightfully so so what we're saying is we'll provide those notices we'll invite everyone to the party we'll invite the school board to the party i'll buy the beer and popcorn and and and we'll say this is what we're proposing here's why it makes sense what do you think now in my experience of doing over a dozen vo ph mpds we've had one mpud in voph where we actually had to bring that discussion to this podium for the board to resolve one is all in every other circumstance we ultimately were able to get everyone to agree that what that applicant was requesting was a reasonable proportion based upon where they were how many wetlands they did or didn't have and what the master plan provided so i am confident that if we roll up our sleeves and do the same thing we've done vo ph we will get there at cpev it may get a lot easier than you would think if these three or four large property owners in fact do a consolidated deal you may you may have one large impudent here pretty soon that addresses 80 of these issues and would make everyone's life easier so we urge you to please see fit to transmit this we're glad we've worked it out at least we think we've worked it out i guess i'll find out now thank you thank you okay we have someone signed up speaking today we do have a few individuals signed up no email um and we all the only person on webex for this item is additional individuals that are with the applicant and i have a couple of individuals that

signed up that are also for the applicant so i assume mr two spoke for the accident and there's no one else i can go through the others okay so we have andy scaglioni and just as a reminder if you could state your name and address and whether you can swarm thank you andy joe scaglioni 3802 ehrlich road tampa florida 33624 i have been i raised my hand last thank you and um good afternoon i am i am here to support this but i want to put on the record that i have two big concerns and then i think that will be more or less covered when um when the the um mupd comes forward at that time um and i'll go into to those at the end at this point what made me feel comfortable is three people um bill cronin he knocked it out of the park with this user he's got going in so that brings all the triggers that were in place they're no longer an issue so great job and um pasco county is lucky to have him number two was talking with infrastructure michael bella back there where he went over with me with these synergies of of of the project across the street um now it's called the uh what is it uh yeah i know it is the pruitt ranch you know years ago for and uh anyway with that happening both of them there's a lot of synergies with the sewer and water and we're going to get utilities going to come there with the two projects so um thank you mike brings a lot from the private sector and and uh has got a great reputation among the in the industry uh third of all um probably in 35 years the most knowledgeable talent talented county attorney you have here and thank you very much you made me feel very comfortable you got a great reputation as a straight shooter and and with the language that was put in was section 810 that that that was just read that they have to have a neighborhood meeting about the entitlements that that makes me feel a lot better so there's two concerns i have number one is that we get quality over quantity in this this in the cpev um it deserves pasco county deserves it and we don't need to give the farm away this is this is quality property okay and so that we get quality over quantity again and the other issue is that the entitlements don't get all globbed up where if i i'm not ready to do something

that when the time it comes that that i have something there for my family um and and being the last one the last people standing that um their problems when they're far down the line cashed out become my problems and um that that's a real concern for me for instance the creek i have a creek in my property well am i going to have to build a bridge over that creek because i'm the last person standing these are concerns i have um when everybody else is cashed out thank you very very much okay thank you for your comments thank you yes sir next person who is signed up is sam rodriguez as you approach i would just remind you your name address and state whether you've been swarmed for the record my name is sam rodriguez uh 23 846 state road 52 uh pasco county atlanta lakes and have you been sworn sir did you swear okay you did i did okay go ahead you know my concern is uh i'm west of the erin cut off and all this development is happening to the east uh i own a go-kart racing facility there that provides a lot of entertainment for a lot of people and obviously we comply with all the noise ordinances everybody has to run a muffler and my concern is that houses if they start building too many homes and 50-foot lots and they're really close there's so many people around there that a little bit of noise you're going to get complaints i think it's going to impact in time i'm afraid it's going to also impact the value of my property if we have to shut the facility down and those those are big concerns for me and that's what i wanted to radiate to you guys today and hopefully there's some consideration like andy said before me quality before quantity i think that's really important obviously the more homes you build it's going to impact roads it's going to impact infrastructure everything and i think that could be a big concern not only for us but the county and i thank you for your time okay thank you for comments thank you the next person signed up is nathan grenara mr chair commissioners nathan gennaro i reside at a 26430 state road 52 i have been sworn in so my concern is with entitlement distribution as yes commission commissioner starkey reiterated already i ask that the entitlements be proportionally to the size of the development that is going on what i don't want to see as mr scaglioni already previously stated is the problems backflow and to us because we don't

decide to develop that is it all right thanks for your comments and uh the next person signed up is joe um hello commissioners uh i'm joe papullo neighbor of mr scaglioni uh i think he said it all y'all have addressed a lot of our issues and we know we're on the growth pattern here so we just want it done right and i've enjoyed it for 30 years want to enjoy it for some more my kids are living out there and we're concerned i think with a at first it sounded different sounds better now so thank you sir did you state your address for the record yeah i'm sorry i'm 23 132. i'm right on the creek and you and you were sworn in i did that already okay thank you sir thank you all right thank you and uh the only other person that i have is mr gad i don't know if he wanted to say something yeah i think he does okay this time though ray gad 7227 u.s highway 41 lando lake florida um not here to object to anything in the proposal but i just wanted to take this opportunity to share with you you know some issues that the school board runs into and the relationship that the school board has with this county commission is nothing short of miraculous what we have here is very unique and back in 2002 when i first took a job at this level with the district we had no surplus land and we went about the business of aggressively pursuing surplus land and the county often with david goldstein's help we were able to develop policy that ensured that the school board had land to build schools but i want to bring up a point that mr two brought up by the way i've been haggling with him for years he's never brought popcorn or beer but i want to bring up the voph because the boph is a good example of of a good strategy if you look at the voph there are colored marks on the voph plan where schools are supposed to go and although b.o.p.h was compared as the same as cpev it's not the same for schools we have very different ideas in boph about how we go about getting school sites and recently we've been able to work with the evans family we secured a school site without any problems there we worked with another group of the evans family no problem securing school sites we worked with the price family no problem securing school sites the first landowner that objected to us um having a particular school site hired mr two who came in and in classic joel 2

fashion huffed and puffed for a couple hours about why we couldn't have that school site and we relinquished it we didn't need it anymore and mr twos not the first land use attorney or developer or builder that was upset with the school board need for a piece of land but in this particular development there is no definite way for us to get land other than addressing it at every mpud that comes to the county commission we just ask that going forward you maintain the same relationship that you've had with us in the past and that we make sure that the school board secures school sites in this evolving corridor thank you very much no i have a question and also i just need for the record mr gad you could state that you were sworn in oh i was sworn in thank you yeah so that so how will that work ray um come back up so let's just say hypothetically andy's the last one to build uh andy i have no idea how much land you have there two 200 acres did you say and um and so so there's no school site and you say okay we have to have a school site it's going to be on andy's property that you would buy it or does it have to be donated or what we're happy to do either first of all no one no one no one ever no one ever donates land to the school board that is extremely rare sometimes they do they they make land available for us to buy and so we either do that in cash or we do it in credits okay so the way it would work now is he as each mpud came in we would make a decision about whether or not we wanted to ask for a school site in that mpud yeah but but it could reach it could reach the point right where you know the first mpud the second one the third one and then it could fall on andy and at the end of the day we're back here in front of the county commission pleading for help so that we can get a school site uh in that particular area so i mean i could is it possible that someone has 200 acres you need 50-something acres for high school oh no actually in this particular um village we probably need no more than 25. because we're going to build like a high school academy is the tenant to plan and mr two's aware of that i believe and and it wouldn't necessarily come from the smoke family i mean we haven't made that assessment i'm just all i'm doing here today i'm not complaining about what's going on i'm just making it clear to the county commission that we still need your help in the cpev when we come in here and ask for a school site

and if there's resistance from a developer or builder we need your assistance to make that happen but so each each residential site will pay a school impact fee so that's how part of the cost is spread amongst everybody i just i just don't i i'm dealing with a developer who and was the last man standing in a piece i won't say where and everyone else got the entitlements and they're left with a pretty tough bag of rules they have to follow um i still want to see that to happen again and so i'm just feeling for the last man in so commissioned i just want them to be protected and we don't want to see that happen either because we don't want to have to deal with the last man standing yes so the language of cpb which was carefully crafted by chris williams and joel 2 does say as each individual mpd comes in they can take into account the needs of the entire cpev so it's not you're not looking at just the needs of that individual mpud so if the second one in looks like they need a school site for the needs of the entire cpv the school board can request that school site so it's not they're not looking just to what that individual mpud needs in terms of schools they're looking at all of cpe in addition mr gab requested that when they have these neighborhood meetings to discuss entitlements that the school board have a representative there so that they can warn those those landowners hey if you're going to take x amount of residential entitlements it's probably going to come with the school site that's the reason he requested to be at that meeting so we're trying to avoid what you just yeah just putting it out there that i don't want the last minutes you kind of you said in a way the last one in is kind of left there is that possibility but we're doing everything we can to avoid that okay well i want to make sure we're doing all we can to avoid that mr moore hey thank you mr chairman um and i appreciate everybody that came up and spoke today you know and i did have quite a few concerns prior to you know today's meeting and i think the changes that were made i did watch the both planning commission meetings had obviously conversations with with a number of people um so i appreciate everybody collaborating and getting together on this um even though it's the last hour you got here right um i but i do agree a couple things i agree on

and i do have concerns over which we're not going to figure out today but um when it comes to the entitlements it's been already it was previously mentioned um i spoke with a with a gentleman that is close to aaron cut off you know pretty far away from homies with this project this is a gentleman that had an idea for some a project some time ago you know maybe a couple years ago did not move forward with it maybe because of some opposition in the area with some neighbors um and he has something i would assume is going to come to us at some point here in the very near future and i just want to you know i think about that person this is a small landowner this person doesn't have many acres but we want to make sure he gets the best use out of it and he has a great plan which i think everybody in the community will support but i do want to make sure that through this process and reviewing each one in each one of these mpeds whether it's next month or it's 10 years down the road everybody's on the same page because not each one of we're not all going to be here 10 or 15 or 20 years from now i mean maybe maybe you although i'm not but but um but um by the same with staff and david may not be here and dan might not be here the land use attorneys may not be here that are that are present today some of the landowners may have the lane may have changed hands so what happened 10 or 15 20 years down the road is everybody going to get it does everybody understand what we did here today is terry going to be here 10 or 20 years down the road we don't know that so i just want to make sure that going forward how we go about this i mean this is ironclad right that we're not going to come back six months two years three years from now and try to make changes once again i'm going to feel confident that today is the day what was decided today is what's going to be we're going to be moving forward with so we are on the same page that's a big concern listen we know how it works we do today something may come fire five year five years from now and want to change the rules again we don't need that to happen anymore stick to the guns stick to our guns now when it comes to the employment sites obviously we know that's very important and and what and i and i do commend um bill and his team and and obviously some of the landowners have already participated as well right you already have some projects coming in i don't think you're going to make an announcement today

but we know there are things coming um that will be i'm sure it'll be announced in the very near future that we're excited about and when it comes to the schools you know that is very important to us um so we know there's a good chance whoever's representing the land owners on this first impunity that comes in in front of us i have a sneaky suspicion we're going to pop school sites that day because we can't wait we can't wait to the last person standing because i will tell you what will happen that land will be so valuable the school board will be able to afford it right and that right i mean that's that's the reality of it so we need to be very conscious of this moving forward when these mpuds start coming in front of us we can't wait till last minute to help the school board and work a deal with the land owners and and the represent represent the representation to help get that deal done more homes more students and what happens when you have students without schools you're going through the redistricting process once again and you'll probably go through it again two years later after that so we got to be very conscious of that but let's think remember let's think about each and every one of the people there in the audience today stick to your guns make sure this is ironclad make sure everybody knows what's going on moving forward commercial shark um i have i have two more things okay one this is a large piece of land and i think it's really commendable how everyone's come together to to do this together but i think it needs a name i i'm hoping it's not going to call the cb cpev um so i hope you can get consensus with all the landowners that has a name um and then it could be you know the scaglioni ranch at something something but um but no i'm just saying that just because you have a whole name doesn't mean you can't go ahead and name your own neighborhood within a master i'd like you to treat it like a master plan community like bexley like starkey like you know like some of those um i wish we had more like that instead of the little piecemeal ones that we're getting and i think you have an opportunity to brand this and to name this so i just put on your thinking camp on that one um and um most importantly there's a very important trail coming up the back of this property they said there's no trails it's called the orange belt trail we have no idea and looking at i'm here on the property

appraiser site and it's touching a lot of people's property and um you know that's that needs to happen in a very good way um and make sure that all the neighborhoods have access to this trail that's coming from trinity to the woods likuji state trail sooner than you think so um just had to get my trail two pieces there mr mariano thank you mr chairman um ray when you talk about the schools as far as what we're gonna do um you know this is called the centro pasco employment village i mean that's a pretty strong name i think uh and i think when we first designed this i went to the largest uh table that i've been from pat gassoway's place uh look at looking this thing over and with all the landowners there and i think if we can work and rate however you feel if there's a vocational component especially something can be taught into there to go i think you could probably get some acceptance and and some traction and maybe even some federal or state funding to help fund that as a one-of-a-kind place i know em skills is doing a phenomenal job uh getting federal money state monies uh they may be able to help something i was thinking of flagship right on 52 coming in to say okay here it's coming and then if a big industrial place wanted to take it over they can take cam skills and go move it back to some other place so i think there's some opportunities there and i think you know working with our state legislators in federal let's let's not work on that now because that could be a catalyst for the rest of it to go out and do what we want create jobs create a quality life and really i think be a big statement for this whole uh development so you know pat i want to say you know from way back when putting this whole thing together and working with all the landowners that are you know together trying to find the right things to do uh you know joel as well so i think we got a really good thing going here that we can keep on elevated okay all right thank you is anyone at the kiosks hold on hold on just me anyone in the kiocks all right thank you all right miss fitzpatrick are there any proposed sites on not yet no are there any specific proposed school sites are there any areas on that land no specifically that would be a good area for a school location maybe you can answer that joel 2 again the discussion i've had with ray and chris williams

was the possibility of doing this technical high school somewhere possibly north of our primary east west road the caveat there is we've got to coordinate that with the school district and mr cronin because most of that area is designated employment center not that you couldn't create a symbiotic relationship and make it productive the other alternative what the school district historically has done to save money is to try to find lower density residential land as commissioner moore pointed out that the price is more affordable and go there we have enough acreage that i think the school district actually will have their choice there i mean there are probably some of these low-density residential owners that would be more than happy now that the state statute says that they have to be paid fair market value by the school district to sell and as ray pointed out once we got on a fair market value basis and vo ph we've had virtually no problem getting those school sites committed so the short answer is none yet and the reason there's none yet is again the project directly across state road 52 on the north palmetto ridge that you did the transmittal today mr gassaway and i also represent that property owner we're doing that mpud modification now we've agreed with the school district originally that project only had an elementary school site we've agreed to add a middle school site so he now will have a commitment for elementary and middle directly across 52 from cpev that's why his comment was what i've discussed with chris williams is the possibility of a smaller footprint specialized high school in cpev which will give us all three levels right there in one location so we do think we have it covered and at every single mpud the school district will have the option to say okay we need the capacity now or okay until the next one and that was that was the theory look at them one at a time because you're not going to know what your demand is until each one comes forward and he can look at his capacity figures in that district but we're confident that we'll be able to solve it uh and keep it flexed but we clearly understand that somewhere in cpev there's going to need to be another school i mean every everyone understands that and lastly just for the record since mr gad was being so kind to me this same guy is the one that got him three elementary schools of middle school and high school at wiregrass ranch is getting him a elementary middle school and high school at two rivers that got him most of those voph schools

and you know i had to tell him once no and he's still sore about it but i will i will buy the beer and the popcorn and hopefully he'll eventually get over it thank you okay ray would like to rebut that [Laughter] i don't have any rebuttal to that but i did want to comment because mr two makes a good point that um we usually try to identify sites before the students are generally there and when we identify those sites we want to cut a deal either for credits or cash at the time that we identify the site and one of the things that often happens to us with developers is they say okay here's your site but we'll sell it to you when you need it and so as we're waiting for the students to come in and the homes to be built and then all the entitlements are issued and the land is developed then we're paying an incredibly high price for a piece of land so just a little point that i wanted to make there okay anyone else in the audience wish to speak you just you have to lock in the price lock in the price and then take then take it later bill cronin pasco edc i have not been sworn okay do you swear or firm the testimony you're about to give is the truth so help you god i do thank you so i just wanted to share a little a little history on this particular site and where we're at and uh this particular site is probably one of the most complicated uh agreements that were out there and we did make mr two work very hard as well as many others that both on staff and outside of that one of the coolest things about cpev though was that there was a triggering provision that said you can't build houses or at least this many houses until there was so much industrial that was put in place it was genius because the idea was to make sure that residential never outpaced industrial and i'm happy to say though that we do now have at least one project that has triggered that number at well over five hundred thousand square feet and another landowner that thanks to this provision as far as the mou and trading entitlements will be able to expand that industrial so that the eastern side of cpev will be a large industrial site that is the side closest to i-75 closest to the utilities will save the county a lot of money will also uh keep the truck traffic closer to the interstate where they want to be it also will allow those come those uh landowners to be able to trade the

entitlement so that the residential is in one area the industrial is in another um this is not a typical mpud where we just have the live work play where we wait in the very last piece ends up to be industrial and the price is usually way too high at that point to get industrial this is one that the industrial is coming first and i think everyone was pleasantly surprised that the industrial was coming first to the point that um that that that uh staging or phasing is a moot point now at that level so we don't need necessarily to wait for the industry we've got the industry coming we are getting down in the weeds and some of the other things i think there was a fear that uh with this text amendment that we were going to end up uh just letting everybody get every entitlement that was out there in the process and what you heard tonight is that that mpud process it's going to be it's going to be behoove all of us to be really focused on making sure that we mind the little bit of land that we've got left in pasco county and that those mpud processes as they come forward to you it's imperative that at that point we no longer um are uh that we're being transparent about who's getting what at that time uh today's may not be that day but that's going to be the point where it's going to get really busy and i think we're all going to be very engaged in it i'm really happy with the level of engagement on this particular piece i hope that everybody will stick with it in the years coming up because those mpud hearings and those neighborhood meetings are going to be really really important but again thanks to uh to david goldstein and and also to mr two in working together to come to a conclusion with the language that's going to work for everybody and get us down to where we need to be and get the development moving thanks and um mr chairman just to your point that you said about the 40-foot lot i think i think uh just as a general statement we don't want to see that there's only the only residential or 40-foot lots we would like to see a mixture this is large enough that we should have all kinds of sizes of lots but it does concern me that the last man staining's gonna his hand's gonna be tied a little bit um so it seems like everyone needs to come in at for the mpuds all the same time and just hash it out i think i think staff will have a blast with that if

if they all come in parallel at the same time mr chairman mr chairman excuse me yeah good yeah bill i i'd say i want to thank you for your uh getting involved and getting your input in there since you've come to pasco county you have done a phenomenal job every step of the way i mean from years and years ago talking about the uh overpass business park on i-75 where i talk about the spray field et cetera and you picked up on that one conversation took a look at it and we have a tremendous facility going on now your effect of this facility has been sitting for so long waiting for something to go and working on something to make it happen has been a great asset to the county so keep up the good work thanks for working with everybody around you appreciate it thank you okay all right thank you is anyone else here to speak today to this item seeing no one and no one's at the kiocks can i just clarify does that include the amended languages written the record by mr pitos yes okay goodbye the seconder okay and it includes that they're going to name it something how do you name it i've got a motion and i got a second all those in favors i with a roll call vote district 2 commissioner moore district 3 commissioner starkey aye district 4 commissioner fitzpatrick all right district 5 commissioner mariano district one chairman oakley all right motion pass five zero okay next item thank you thank all of you for the work you've done to get to this point mr chair i have proof for item p84 it was published in the tampa bay times march 10th 2021 okay good afternoon everybody tammy snyder planning and development all right we have again for you the life church and pud master planned unit development pdd 2175 [Music] next slide please i'm just going to go over this quickly since you've already seen this presentation proposed is a rezoning request from ar agricultural residential journey district to an mpud to allow 122 single-family detached residential units on approximately 41.8 acres next slide here is their master plan next slide as you may remember they are requesting some ldc variations the neighborhood park landscaping they want it interior to the park rather than just around the perimeter they were requesting to reduce the park acreage and i did find out yesterday from the applicant's representative they are willing to produce the 1.22 acres um they're going they would like to pay into the sidewalk fund in lieu of construction of the sidewalk seeing as how its old pasco road widening project is

already underway and the allowance of an additional 10 foot lane at the entrance for emergency access and the ldc does allow for such next slide please the planning commission heard the item at the april 22nd 2021 meeting voted to recommend approval with amended and added conditions of approval and the added condition of approval was to fence these storm water ponds the bcc heard the item at the may 18 2021 meeting the applicant had attended virtually and there were technical difficulties and since the bcc had questions they voted to continue the item to today june 8 2021. some of the questions were the timeline of old pasco road construction was there a proposed trail on old pasco road the approximate number of additional school children from this development and the size of the proposed neighborhood park was in question but now it's going to be the ldc requirement next next slide so we did go ahead and gather some additional information for you the design of old pasco road does begin this summer with the proposed completion at the end of 2023 and the typical roadway section for this portion of old pasco does contain a 12-foot multi-use path and a six-foot sidewalk in addition to bike lanes on both sides of the road and the school board indicated that the number of new students in the system would be 22 elementary 12 middle school and 15 high school students there was also concern about the proposed pond fencing and clarification regarding pond slopes and commissioner mariano said he wanted the full part acreage next slide this slide came from project management and this depicts old pasco road the timing of improvements and what sort of improvements are being proposed and directly adjacent to this project is the green there and it's going to be designed this summer gonna start construction immediately after because they don't need to require any additional right-of-way for this piece of the project next slide and here is the typical roadway section you can see that there is a 12 foot multi-use path on one side a six foot sidewalk on the other two bike lanes and all that will be included in the roadway next slide and that is consistent with the pasco county ldc and the applicable provisions of a comprehensive plan next slide and with that we recommend approval with conditions can i ask one question go ahead um tammy so just to be clear the applicant has withdrawn their request for the variation for the neighborhood

park size correct so if the board moves approval they need to accept out that change correct okay thank you um can you put that road section back up this is just for our planning department i guess i i sure you know we saved that 10 feet for the bike lanes there and to me it would be so much better if we took some of that space and added it to where the multi-use path is make that so it's not a straight linear experience smushed up against the road no landscaping because no one's riding in those bike lanes i mean maybe out in dade city but you've got that on state road 54 everywhere no one's used very rarely do you see that being used so i wish we could take that space and do something different with it the next thing is for me to approve this project it's going to require a tree in front of every house not in the back in the front not a not a queen palm no we don't and until they fix the landscape ordinance i have to say this at every mpud and so um because right now they can put the tree in the backyard then you have what i showed you of that road with nothing looks like parts of baltimore that i visited 30 years ago and people cut down their tree and then they have nothing so i'd like an amendment that every house will have a shade tree in front of it at least one two line and uh my concern with the the fence was i didn't want a fence around that yeah and the slopes were fine to not have to have a fence around that so right so it is in your power to deny that yeah so i want to deny the fence and add a treat in the front hey thank you mr chair obviously one of my concerns last time which has been one of my concerns for some time has has been the widening of pasco i think some of the citizens over here we talked about it too so the timing on this section should either coincide or be in advance of probably what i would assume they're they've completed construction or or not as much well i guess we could say construction of their entire development is that true mr biles we talked about earlier you'll award the design contract next week the goal is to get under construction 12 months from now okay and then i think i think they said it was part of about a two-year project probably or so to get completed scene yeah okay because that's a small section shouldn't take that long to construct as long as you use the right contractors right that aren't backwards

it'll be the lowest responsive bidder yeah i know that's what i made as long as it's there mr chairman it's a crapshoot clarified oh yeah mr marion thank you um commissioner moore i was talking to mr biles earlier last week when i drove old pasco road close to the fire station yep on the opposite side of the road there's like a development going there yeah it looks like the drainage is like right next to the road do we have room you know yes sir we already verified that we have room that was verified with planning and engineering services okay perfect all right good um so i'm glad to see you guys have the 1.2 acres i understand all the right away you gave us to make sure we had all the room for old pascal so we appreciate your working with us from the get-go on that i will tell you as far as the trees go i don't care whether it's a palm tree or a shade tree because frankly if i had to pick my tree i'd want to have a palm instead of just a shade tree but if you want to be flexible with that and they're flexible with that i'm good with it well if it's not a queen palm which is a palm that is attracts rats and riches and they're so cheap and yeah they're not good oh but then lets you and me drive around and look at all the houses that have put one queen palm in the front so no queen palms okay yeah i'll take you over to mitchell ranch mr miles well i'd like to clarify the fence comment i think what you would like is that they comply with the land development code with respect to fencing around storm water ponds what i what i want is what they want which is no fence if they design it with a slope that is flat enough where it's not required for the land development code they wouldn't put a fence there well we have we have there's a fence on massachusetts that has no slope and the pond is fenced and it's nasty the land development let the land development code rules whether or not they use the fence it's a slope requirement yeah mr chairman and i agree with commissioner starkey on that too because it's it it's it's to me it's like an added value for the community as well i mean they have a pond and a there's gonna be fish in there and people gather around it they can they can fish and you know yeah what did you call it what do you say collect guppies oh no there's big bass in those ponds do you have a hat oh huge yeah we've got monsters yeah they'll eventually get there they find the way there's the african here would you like to speak that's not right

brad typical planning development i just wanted to clarify that last comment um is the request to to allow them to deviate from the land development code if the land development code would require a fence if the slope is four to one and they require a fence to normally slope it correctly so it doesn't require effect yes okay so as long as they slope it in a different manner yeah okay it's more like a waiting poem yes 6400 madison street newport chief florida and i have been sworn and i'm happy to answer any questions we're fine with those changes um requiring the trees in the front as well as um you had as you're approaching you were studying your name you have to say it at the moment oh i'm sorry i'm sorry it's uh shelley johnson thank you and i have been sworn yes so we are good with those revisions and we would like to not have the fence around the pond and we can do the sloping you know comply with the lane development code so we're good with that perfect okay but we're happy to answer any questions we have our whole team here so okay is anyone at the kiosks on this item all right thank you do you have anyone signed up the only individuals signed up is valerie phillips on this item okay come forward name an address for the record and if you've been sworn hello my name is valerie phillips and i'll be speaking for my son christopher phillips and he lives at u.s state georgia yeah my address is 7837 player drive what's your chopper florida and last time you didn't get to see and we were sworn in thank you thank you and i think that um joanna has our videos the first one i'm standing in front of the proposed property and facing north towards the school hernando pasco community arts that's the i-75 new on and off-ramps going in on overpass road and as you can see there's a lot of traffic i talked to the school board they said the high school has 47 school buses and the middle school has probably about 38 transportation for the school board said they had planned on starting school and finishing school about the same time however if they did that they measured the buses and it would go all the way back to i-75 so they had to stagger the start times and the finish times also on this piece of property i thought that these hearings were supposed to be posted now i live on tinder and currently and i faced epperson ranch and i've seen those postings for public hearings this still the day never been posted not for planning commission not for these meetings for nothing i'll

drive by there on my way here nothing telling anybody that this meeting is today now this is me driving south towards 54. more construction and this is headed south just south of the property and south of the industrial parkway right before you get to the intersection before you get to life church and there's dump trucks pulling in and out school buses tons of cars traffic backing up now the thing about this is is you know i don't have a problem with progress look at the epperson ranch and what's coming in front of me my road's going to be closed for two months they started paving it today but with this blair drive always came out on overpass road and it was a private road just for williams acres now the county bought a piece of land from the old wasteland property and they put the exit in right there in the entrance well in the planning commissioner the builder in life church said we had two entrances and two exits and then in the meeting over in newport richie that we postponed until today they said they have one entrance one exit and one emergency exit well if you've got the property here 75 on and off ramps here blair drive the industrial park my son's home in the community behind him the only way they got to go was right out in that video right there so i mean where where is their access that's why they ask them when they come back up yeah i like i'd like for that to do and then another thing you just brought up is the um is the quality of the homes in in there you know that's 81.8 acres i mean 41.8 80 acres and they want to put how many homes 122 homes in there parks sidewalks how many homes per acre or are they going to put in there thank you for your confidence okay thank you mr chairman yesterday i know i know you get asked i don't think there's anybody else here to speak can can we ask the applicant to tell us where the ingress egress is yeah we'll be she can come and we can see it on the map she needs to rebut that yes thank you chairman board members um if we have a map we can show if you in the write-up it's explained right now we don't really know where the emergency access is going to go if it's going to go we're going to have one emergency access you can see there's two proposed on the south end but when the site's actually designed and civil engineered they're going to choose which access is going to work and i think some of it has to do with the timing of the road improvements and those kinds of things or we have the option under the land development code to just do the extra

lane at the entrance which may also be an option and we may go that way so to answer the question once it's engineered we're going to have one access and potentially one other emergency access or a lane at the at the access entrance off of pasco so okay sure but we will comply with the lane shelly can you address the notice issue since they made an allegation that you didn't post the property um staff handled all of that all the noticing on this one oh i'm sorry allen them did okay well on the last couple whoever didn't post a notice could get them to confirm they did that okay i'll let them handle it then because the engineering firm handled it then and ma'am just to confirm your name is justina gayle allen's justine don't leave yet okay just can i mr chairman can i continue my question on the access i'll go ahead okay so you're mentioned you're basically saying is once you to submit your site plan is when we will see where the ingress egress is ingress and egress will be your multiple aggressive address will be to the property yes once we go through civil engineering design and so they have proposals of where it may go if there's if there is a separate emergency access you can see that in our plan if it comes up but it's either going to be one of those or it's going to be an extra lane of things okay i'm sorry let's go back so the main entrance is on old pasco road yeah the main entrance old pasco road okay we just okay um just let me give me a second to read this okay this one right away here okay so what's this tell me about this future of blair drive is that a vision road for the county it's actually not a vision road no when they constructed the when they're constructing the overpass interchange they're making overpass limited access so those residents who live there now will not be able to have a direct connection to overpass road so they're going to be accessing through blair drive to get out to to old pasco road these residents not these residents yes about the existing residents who live there okay off of overpass road now okay so the county is actually the county and or fdot and project management one may want to weigh in if i say anything correctly is constructing another way out for those residents to get to old passport road since they won't be able to get to overpass

that road is blair drive and i think what shelley's saying is that assuming blair drive is there they may make that their emergency access instead okay correct but but but but that's emergency access that's required under our code that states in case there was just this is for the resident sakes um correct me if i'm wrong david or the team um under code that's required to have that emergency access for quote emergency vehicles let's say there was a backup or there was an emergency on old pasco road and people could not get in and out of the community so it would not be used on a daily basis by any means correct it's just it's rarely used okay so won't block you guys you can't talk from the audience just so you know but um it will not block you it won't won't pile up on blair so you guys can't get in and out okay that's gonna make sure they understood that okay and so so i see on this map blair drive will be at the bottom of the new properties that's at the south end okay and the residents know that they know that that that'll be there now it's they've seen the concept plan that's my understanding yeah from the various meetings so i kind of got pulled in a little bit mr chairman just so and then overpass whether this development came or not those homes would still not be able to that access overpass that was very close that wasn't caused by this development it was caused by the interchange and overpass right right that's good i just want to make sure they have all the information and then one more thing for the for the folks that came to speak today um after this process there is site plan submittal and if any neighboring resident does it's sees something that they feel does not follow the land development code they have the ability to appeal the site plan during that process i'm sure staff they can raise their hands whoever's going to be working on this if you can raise their hand for the citizens somebody there we go get their information and during the process she can notice you when their site plans submittal and if you see something in the site claim again you feel does not meet and does not follow land development code you can appeal that okay all right just want to make sure everyone's on the same page all right that's it for me all right okay so i just need somebody to confirm that the site was posted i'll confirm i saw the site michael dating with kb home one nine eight one zero morton bless drive elites florida have you been sworn i have been sworn great thank you and

i saw the yellow sign out there um i did not post it the engineer's office posted it you can get confirmation from them if i could just briefly address overpass road that video that we saw it's going to be a totally wonderful situation once the roadways improved and this project is dedicating significant right-of-way to make sure that that happens and an additional right-of-way for a right-hand turnout to overpass so hopefully the residents are going to enjoy these improvements in addition to the overall project thank you good afternoon justina gale 200 pinewinds boulevard oldsmore florida and uh the proposed site was advertised we did the mailings and posted but it was continued a few times numerous times because of the negotiations with the right-of-way and so forth so it was a little while ago and but we'll get but i'm confident it was posted at one point with the original hearing date yes and this this was continued numerous times because we had negotiations with the right-of-way and so forth so okay thank you thank you okay is there anyone else to speak to this ah right i think we're good then i'll move for approval i think we're satisfied with you okay so i just want to make sure the motion with the amen as amended so it's with the 1.2 acres of neighborhood park trees with no fence unless it's required by the land development code and commissioner starkey's tree condition that's that's inclusive and the apple don't agree and the applicant agrees all that okay okay that's the motion okay i got a motion or a second my roll call vote district two commissioner moore district three commissioner starkey aye district four commissioner fitzpatrick district five commissioner mariano district one chairman oakley all right motion pass five zero okay cool we will that's the end of the public hearing and we will move back to old business and um i believe mr patrick is you're up [Music] items to keep children with their family or assist the foster families in care for our youth and that's the ground the next there's a crib off to the right you can't see it in those pictures here's lane you want to say who this is we're waiting on you oh i didn't know if you could see the picture go ahead you got the floor okay um [Music] i was also able to attend bay marsh solutions

and a product um solutions can better assist the medical community with the improved technologies right here in pasco county so it's great to have additional businesses coming into casco of course i don't know um [Music] investigation station um for coming together with many other community members raising funds i remember back in 2018 going out and participating at the events so i'm really proud and excited to announce the new splash pad at best in memorial park i would really like to see more splash guards slash around pascal county to create more positive activities work on their parents confusion and create loving memories and share them in their family bonds um all to thank law enforcement and veterans for their service and remembrance of may in honor of truth today and of course memorial day that just passed may 15th it also learns this wednesday and i strongly urge every child to learn how to swim drowning is one of the leading causes of death in children under the age of 5 and gloria um lastly i would like to make a motion i know a lot a few of us had met with courtney burgess and scott scotty um but it was regarding tommy and i went to the promotion to have the county attorney prepare a resolution amending the resolution 007-169 on the maximum rates for non-consensual time to increase the following rates to 150 for the connect shouldn't be and six dollars per mile and to remove the consumer price index escalator so mr chair can i respond yes um we can certainly amend the resolution but there's 31 different fees in that resolution and commissioner fitzpatrick mentioned two of them so i'm not clear whether you only want us to mend just those two [Music] or did you want staff to look at making the rates all of the fees competitive with surrounding jurisdictions the reason i say that is because if you raise the base rate for class a 150 well there's also a rate for class b which already is 150 and there's a rate for class c which is 250 and so i'm not i'm not clear what you want to do what you want us to do with the other 29 fees that are in the schedule this is david goldstein county attorney's office i know we've only originally just addressed a couple of these but um we can definitely look at all of them to make sure they're competitive with the

surrounding counties especially for the um commissioner fitzpatrick tell me if you agree to this okay i'm gonna amend your motion okay base rate 120 to 150 inside storage 25 to 40 outside storage 20 to 35 millage rate three to five allergy rate 90 to 100 extra man 40 to 50. what what are you guys talking about um [Music] because i'm pointing to 50 and then i had three dollars for six wait what are you guys talking about this i was reading a report um and we were talking about the connection fees for towing and oh yes yeah yeah those need to be readdressed so again we don't have an issue with raising them but even commissioner moore's motion only deals with the class a fees doesn't deal with what do you want us to do with about class b and class c i mean it may be yeah but i think even he would probably recommend that you just have staff look at re redoing all of the rates to be competitive with surrounding jurisdictions rather than just picked my concern is if you just pick one or two then it's going to make the other ones kind of out of whack with the few that you changed i think it would be easier if you just directed staff to come back with the revised rates that are that are competitive with surrounding jurisdictions to be competitive i think you need your motion to direct staff to look at it bring it back to us and then we'll we'll do a vote at that time yeah is that your motion second okay that's perfect and it's my understanding you want to remove the consumer price index adjustment also correct okay okay alright we got a motion in a second all those in favor roll call vote district two commissioner aye district three commissioner starkey aye district four commissioner fitzpatrick aye district five commissioner mariano district one chairman oakley aye motion passed five zero okay that's all you have oh yes thank you okay thank you congratulate all the graduates of the class of 2021. yes okay commissioner mariana thank you mr chairman um today we heard from uh westport boat club president john wilder about um the channels i don't know if you still have those pictures up there but i don't really need to show them again but it did show how narrow shallow and how much prop scarring is going on out there so we'll be working on that to add that in

for later on i'm going to take a closer look at sea pines in the future which by the way uh let me put a shout out for mike carbella and his team up there um they had done a septic the sewer project uh study that is now going to be something we're going to be able looks to submit to the state who's just put a lot of money towards subject to sewer programs for the environment in addition to that uh next week we're going to see an item on the june 22nd meeting we're going to see an item where sea pines is going to buy the last piece of property we needed to fix a major part of the drainage issue getting it out to old dixie with a new development that was coming in a couple of months ago connecting to that with the two other process we bought two months ago that area up there is going to be in so much better shape for drainage and i'll tell another good shout out from mike and this team on tower drive and hudson which is across from castro chevrolet tends to flat out continually that first section they're about i want to say six or seven months ago we took a look at it they try to rush it through swift mud rush through engineering and they're going to start measuring now what's in the right of way what we need to fix and actually get that drainage thing fixed which will help that area tremendously so mike thanks for all you're doing with all your team on that uh i'll also like to say that our traffic team uh did a great job when the beaker woods rotary people love that rotary they can get in they can get out they travel into walmart and out of walmart without having to touch 19. the country club estates edition that was done by walmart makes it so easy for all those 200 300 homes to go back and forth without touching 19. uh and the light is flashing as of yesterday i think it's probably going to be working any day now just letting people know uh so the safety for leisure beach and everybody in the whole area has been phenomenal do you do you remember when they wanted to come in that that neighborhood fought against connecting i just want that to be a lesson for everybody here because that neighborhood was insistent because our planners wanted to connect it from the beginning and they they insisted that it not be connected the commission before myself and even the previous board the conditions in that connection from country called the states was prohibited from the previous code that was written in that had to be changed walmart wouldn't allow the change to happen until the axis was granted on the other side and the light was put out there so

people would not cut through to get there so you're absolutely right connectivity is important from the get-go and i know we're doing a great job on that i would like to say i am still having a major problem in the area with homeless doing the panhandling in the right of way call them trespassers call them what you want uh on beaconwoods drive and dan if we could we need to either get with walmart or whatever they were going to do some vegetation trimming along the way something kept that from happening but i've got pictures of a like a beach cart loaded with stuff trash and you look in the canals all sorts of trash and those people come in come out come in come on living under that whole thing it needs to be cleaned out so you don't have the shelter to stay under there it's just not the right place to be and just creates a nuisance for us uh and again state road 52 and 19 as well they're just having over and over with with you know trespassers panhandlers out there that just bring it down they would i get calls on it continually so i know to keep on work on that on a great note uh smile faith ran a great event uh great for awareness great for fundraising i think they raised i think was 50 grand on a an event at gilldogs down in port richey phenomenal turnout and trisha sowers who's one of the nurses down there she says they've actually got a connection for lyndon skinner one of those tribute bands i guess to come in and we talked about putting up an event up at sunwest so i think if we took a look at sunwest a little bit closer and i'll bring an item back to the board later on but if we get a charity that's doing so much for our veterans i mean 95 percent of our veterans do not get dental coverage smile faith is doing it for these people for nothing uh and they've got some great help they've actually got a school they're going in there the work they're doing is incredible so i want to try to make sure we help groups like that when they want to come in to use our assets that we have that will still help parks make a lot of money uh the hudson splash pad celebration station did a phenomenal job bring it all together and i've got one other thing if i could put the picture of hudson beach up there perfect all right so this hudson beach i think that picture's around 1975 or 1978. so you see we've got beach all the way around there we had submitted to dep to go restore that now back in 2004 before i was elected pbsnj had done a study on that area and thought we should restore that beach

the reason they didn't want to restore the beach was because they didn't want the syna of the sand going into the canal so we fought it only a resident i think i mentioned this to you about a year ago to the board that a resident came to me said if we put a footer around it like we did sun west we can restore the beach at the same time protect the sand from going in so i've actually reached out to senator simpson i'm going to pursue with him about trying to have dep consider this again because i think it still would be a great asset for us coming forward to add that beach and every resident i've talked to loves the idea so that'll be something that's coming up and that's all i have sir okay thank you mr miles i just want to remind you if you forgot pcbt is celebrating 25 years in business uh this month so they've been running buses now for 25 years for the county you've been running buses and bcpt for 25 years so that's all i have i've seen it actually it's almost four o'clock okay i'll give you plenty of time right mr ghosting i am nothing further and thank you for having me here today well to say i i appreciate you being here today and appreciate your advice and uh you know you're welcome to sit in any time so thank you so that's great i'm sorry wait a minute so commissioner mariana just reminded me something so our office did do a memo about the short-term rental ordinance and where all of you provided a copy of that memo yes i read it and it's a lot of legal right so the short version is that if you repeal your short-term rental ordinance the only thing you can continue to regulate would be licensing and registration type requirements in other words you would not be able to prohibit short-term rentals anywhere in the county if you repeal the ordinance and the state statute basically grandfathers our existing ordinance and doesn't allow us to re-regulate short-term rentals again except for things like licensing and registration so the risk of you repealing it is we can't really put in a new regulatory scheme in place unless it's limited to things like licensing and registration are there rules that we can put in place to be a licensed um vrbo or whatever there are some health safety type rules you can put in but you can't put in rules that regulate the duration of the stay for example what about nuisance like the complaints of roundness x amount well i think yeah other nuisance we might be able to regulate through other provisions of our code that have nothing to do with

short-term rentals the your short-term rental ordinance is really regulating the duration of stays for for rent for rent that's what it's it's not really dealing with the nuisance effects but if you're going to be discussing this at a workshop we can go into more details i wasn't sure if you it sounded like earlier you were requesting a workshop and if so we can get into the weeds of this if you want to but mr bob said his partners need to speak for himself okay yeah i'll say i'll talk to the commissioner at the break and i think what we would do is schedule a regular item for this before discussion that way they can give us a motion direction at it if not when we're ready to do it both your office and our office complaining okay but i think staff's going to probably have to give you some data on how extensive the short-term rental problem is in pasco which we don't have right we can give you the legal analysis but we don't have the facts about how big of an issue it is and we can we we can get that information along with the amount of you know development tax we actually collect from short-term rentals that may or may not be permitted in pasco so you know it's interesting that apparently we may be collecting money from our short-term rentals we are collecting money from something that we out so i think we could easily be challenged in court and there's very selective enforcement so there's just a lot of issues because we have hundreds of them hundreds thousands yeah the issue the issues are not they're somewhat related but not directly related in the sense that one's a taxation issue one's a land use issue and so i can't really blame the ones that are due operating illegally from melania's perspective from not wanting to violate the tax law because then they'd be violating two different laws so it's probably helpful that they're at least complying with one of the laws i don't know i don't know i don't know how you get to pick and choose which law you get to follow but and i believe the tax cut i believe about my pay i believe the tax collector does the enforcement of that tax correct so it's not our code enforcement department to a certain extent the actual websites do some compliance requirements on the tax piece okay so we just need to talk about it so it sounds like this will be a future agenda item is that okay okay august yeah we need an address but we're getting more and more questions

july august mr trump maybe look at august because i think we only have one meeting in july that's gonna be a deal correct okay let's see thank you mr chair i just want to provide a public service announcement we had two customers come to my office last week and they were scammed very aggressive individuals call and say that they have did not show up to jury service and that there's a warrant for their arrest and they can pay a fine in lieu of being arrested and they must be very aggressive and convincing because the individuals are instructed to go and purchase gift cards scratch off give them the code in the back gift card and um one customer was out two thousand dollars another customer was out like fifteen hundred dollars and it's very heartbreaking when you see them they're just good people that got scammed by an aggressive caller we've put the information also on the front page of our website but i thought since i'm here and we're in the public realm that i would also make those comments so thank you okay thank you um i think you saw that i want to be thankful the administrator and the staff and all of us all of our staff thank you david gosling for being here today and offering your advice for us i think it was very helpful and i appreciate all the commissioners having the same outlet of the county looking better in the future with the developments we're going to get with landscaping architectural and the fact that we care about our county and we care what it looks like in the future so i think i think now we'll keep that force on and do the right thing and we'll be a better county for it if we're going to be a premier county we we need to have that so and we also need to look at things like mr starkey did say uh affordable housing and and those effects we don't have a lot of that coming before us but we definitely need it we got 40 of our population need workforce housing and we'll make we've got to make a place for some of that and we've got to have it so okay with that i say where [Music] you