02.09.2021 Pasco Board of County Commissioners Hybrid Virtual Meeting

good morning everyone i would like to call to order the hybrid virtual pasco county board of county commissioner meeting of february 9 2021. i would like to remind everyone to please silence all electronic devices and muture microphones at this time i would like to ask you to please stand for the invocation and pledge your hand is open wide decided to satisfy the needs of every living creature make us thankful for your loving providence and grant that we remembering the account that we must one day give may be faithful stewards of your good gifts and to amen republic for which it stands one nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice madam clerk please call the roll district 2 commissioner here district 3 commissioner district 4 commissioner fitzpatrick district 5 commissioner mariano here district 1 chairman oakley oh there it goes better okay mr steinsteiner will you please go over today's proceeding with bcc be happy to mr chairman on march 12 2020 the board of county commissioners declared a local state of emergency after the governor issued executive orders 2051 and 2052 the public health emergency and the state of emergency respectively related to covid 2052 was most recently extended by executive order twenty three one six on december twenty ninth twenty twenty board has chosen to hold its meetings with a quorum physically present utilizing communications media technology for the public and team members to participate a detailed notice indicating the board's intent to conduct a hybrid virtual meeting has been posted on the board's website on september 25th 2020 the governor issued executive order 20-244 moving the state into phase 3 of the governor's safe smart and step-by-step order which extended which was extended by executive order 2297 issued on november 24 2020 large gatherings of over 50 people is still not recommended to congregate in any public place that does not readily allow for appropriate social distancing state surgeon general's public health advisory is still in place with regard to maintaining social distancing and avoiding gatherings of 10 or more people the public is afforded an opportunity to make public comments either in writing or by the use of communications technology that has been provided the board adopted resolution 20-182 on june 30th 2020 establishing the procedural rules for a hybrid virtual meeting such as the one being held today as with any meeting you should take

in the event that the commissioners had any questions on that no comments at this time okay thank you you didn't say what item what item number she her item is the bridgewater cdd uh item that is under my portion of the agenda i think it's c6 that's correct c6 all right thank you second person there uh the second person who signed up is not on webex so we just go on okay um so do we have any emails to be read into record or so um the only email that was sent in was sent in after the hybrid pub virtual public comment closed the email did ask the person asked for it to be read into the record but it has closed um the email was forwarded to all of the commissioners it will be part of the record as received and filed read that in order it didn't comply with your rules so i mean it's been provided to the commissioners so that they can read it and it's in the record and it's in the record okay all right um yeah eox anyone at the kiocks this morning to speak yes yeah they're not there there's nobody there yes there is okay please state your name and address for the record nancy hayeswood three four one one oh a nice place state city florida okay all right so welcome to 2021 um i did try to come to another session and found that kiosk here was closed it was because it was in newport richie even though it was a matter that was in our area so that was about a month ago i missed your first one uh i don't think you should keep the kiosk open we have spotty internets we can't do it that way the phone doesn't always work out here and we've actually got older people that it's going to be hard for them to get all the way over to newport richie there are actually people out here with no internet at all and my first thought when i was not allowed when i found it was closed was they did this on purpose i thought no they wouldn't do that they just don't understand that there are people that might want to address this matter the particular issue that i wanted to just actually had 150 people right into it so i don't know why it was putting dates in newport richie anyways so what i'd like to ask is that y'all find a way to keep both these kiosks open for the board meetings and the planning commission so nobody else has to have such a frustrating experience of coming up here and not even having

time to drive to new york or richie if they can to address before nobody should be cut out from addressing divorce thank you for your time all right thank you anyone else if you that's the only person there is nobody else here at the kiosk all right thank you mr chairman yesterday just on behalf of the team and the staff and the board can i just make a statement real quick ebay thank you sir while i appreciate the comments that were just made i just want to remind um everyone and just you know that's watching at home is that typically when we speak at person it's either at whichever site the meeting's at there's actually more opportunity now to speak to the board accounting commissioners than there's ever been before because now you do have the opportunity to speak via webex or the telephone as well as go to the kiosk at the site so there's more opportunity and you can actually send in emails and be read into the record as well so there's three options now in addition to going live on site that had never happened before so more opportunity not less opportunity to speak to the board of county commissioners right because from before you had to be here to speak you would still have to drive over to the site yes sir exactly three more opportunities now this one to make sure that's for the record for those watching home you have three opportunities in addition to coming live on at the kiosk yeah even if it's on the other side of the counter you still can call in yeah or send them or do the web actually yes that's true all right that uh okay um now it's time for the consent agenda and i have a pull sheet i have c5 colon revise c11 pull and revise c41 withdrawal c50 uh discuss pull and discuss so what's the pleasure on the remainder of the items or do you have any other items you'd like to pull at this time you know move for i have pool motion second and a second to approve all the other consent items uh all those in favor of the royal call vote because you're married adam's not here district 2 commissioner moore district three commissioner starkey aye district four commissioner fitzpatrick aye district five commissioner mariano bye district one chairman oakley all right motion pass five zero okay uh c5 pull and revise mr chairman members of the board that's my item um the uh attachment agreement for professional

services between pasco county and greg robinson pa is actually dated may 29 2018 not december 18 2020 and so it's a revision to the attachment date and you've all been provided a copy of that attachment okay where's the board move our pool okay a motion to approve in a second all those in favor by roll call vote district 2 commissioner moore aye district 3 commissioner starkey aye district 4 commissioner fitzpatrick aye district 5 commissioner mariano aye district 1 chairman oakley aye most pass zero uh c41 has been withdrawn we go to discussion on c50 ms starkey yes um i was looking at that contract and um i noticed that there are three different fees for three different kind of bus benches that's my first question why are we not going to a uniform kind of bus batch which i thought we were doing in the last contract thank you kathy pearson assistant county administrator public services i do have kurt scheibel on the um line and he can explain that to you kurt kurt are you there while he's coming that you know so i am here okay yeah go ahead kurt hello this is kurt scheible director of pasco county public transportation uh commissioner um starkey the reason why we went with three different benches is we were looking at some areas i think will do better with a maybe uh look better at the neighborhood and make the neighborhood look better with different style of benches the standard will still be the cement benches that are normally out there like right now but um some places like on uh in newport richie or along u.s 19 we would be using those um benches there okay um my next question is and i'm sure none of y'all know this but i i helped get this right away ordinance back when i was a i think activist on it's something that i take an interest in back then we had bus benches at every single road road uh driveway on 19 they were like appearing overnight um uh the money it's you know it's substantial now and so we're collecting a little kitty um i wanted to know what the budget is expected to be annually for the bus bench and is that money still going to 2-1-1 uh no man the money will be coming to pasco county uh public transportation accounts and the um different benches we're looking at every bench out there right now to make sure that they do meet the needs that we for the citizens out there so if i can add that that so we made that change a few years ago

it used to go to the health and the human services department to help subsidize united way but no it goes directly to the uh pcpt uh budget now to help subsidize their costs okay do you know what that number is just uh kurt do you have that number off the top of your head i want not right now to top my head because like i said we're looking at all benches but approximately did you give me just a quick second i believe it was a little over a hundred thousand but i could be wrong that's all about the number and um as far as going to their budget is it used for a specific purpose in the budget just to help subsidize their operations or whatever that the grant doesn't pick up because they're most of their grants are either 90 10 but um per i think 90 10 we have to pay for so some are 50 50 so we used it to to help match whatever we have to um absolutely correct 50 50 80 20 or 90 10 depending on the different grants and we use it to help the local match section it's about um 20 000 to 30 000 a year depending on the number of we get and we will get that bus bench figured to you and email all of you okay okay thank you okay second okay um i got a motion a second all those in favor my roll call vote district two commissioner moore aye district three commissioner starkey aye district four commissioner fitzpatrick aye district five commissioner mariano aye one chairman oakley i moved past five zero okay that's all we have on the consent agenda c11 11 was full and revived correct we did do 7. we did or did well go back c11 good morning chairman board member members i'm doug anderson the assistant facilities management director for pasco county a c11 is revised because of page three was missing in the electronic file and has been added back in and the attachment memorandum fac21-0021 was incorrectly referenced as fac200153 and has been corrected recommend approval for approval i got a motion second one second all those in favor by roll call vote district two commissioner moore aye district three commissioner starkey aye district four commissioner fitzpatrick aye district five commissioner mariano hi district one chairman oakley aye motion pass five-zero thank you okay we'll move on to regular items oh r50 r51

good morning mr chairman item p51 is code enforcement issues surrounding existing boat lift canopies and review of a draft ordinance to allow new boat lift canopies and i believe staff is online ready to make the presentation mr michael whalen you're available michael are you there he's not online okay we can go to the powerpoint then okay so staff is seeking board direction as to how to handle enforcement of existing illegal canopies so what's happened is at various board meetings and at workshops over the past couple of years border county commissioners um requested information on what was originally called docks and then roof over docks and a few years ago inland bodies of water the issue was put to rest for the inland bodies of water and the question remained for coastal uh properties and at a recent workshop i believe in september of 2019 the border county commissioners outlined a number of additional qualifications and ideas for how to handle the coastal areas of pasco county and the question was refined further from roofs over docks to boat lift canopies specifically and so the planning and development department went back and through spring of 2020 until essentially the fall of 2020 reviewed the project and determined to put together a feasibili a feasible ordinance and this is sort of the the outline in the background on the overhead here to put together a feasible ordinance that the board of county commissioners could consider for for coastal uh properties there is a draft of that feasible ordinance that's been put together however a question remains regarding what to do with the existing properties that have already built boatlift covers without the ordinance in place so that's 2.5 on the slide there in july and august of 2020 staff observed at least 89 instances of illegal roofs and canopies that were present in some of the coastal areas of pasco county next slide so the number there are three main issues here so the county has not issued permits for these structures and there's no guarantee of safety during storms or otherwise and the third issue is that the no review by staff means no guarantee of compliance with the land development code in terms of canon have navigability standards in terms of how far out they are projecting into the various canals next slide and this is a quick analysis of where those 89 instances are within the coastal areas of the county six are in gulf harbors one is in killarney shores

24 in leisure beach 11 in pleasure isles 23 in sea pines 20 in sea and four in vista del mar next slide those all were done without permit yes these are the 89 that are pre-existing so to speak and as you can see they're kind of spread across the coastal areas of the county so there are a number of enforcement alternatives associated with the question before the board today to maintain this status quo would be to continue to abate enforcement action regarding these structures so i think it was back in 2016 the bcc determined to first identify what a feasible ordinance might look like and then consider what actions might be taken for those properties that have these pre-existing boatlift canopies that's why it's called the status quo today why code enforcement actions have not been happening another alternative is to enforce the existing provisions that are already in our codes we can proceed with enforcement action to enforce existing code provisions prohibiting roofs canopies over boat stocks except on inland lakes because that issue was resolved uh and a third alternative is to enact new provisions and grant amnesty over uh the exis the pre-existing boatlift canopies um that would mean to adopt the proposed land development code amendment that would be coming forward and grant amnesty to the existing structures they would have to then provide the county with a hold harmless agreement the fourth alternative is to net new provisions and then require compliance on top of it so proceed with enforcement action once you've got the new ordinance in place next slide this kind of goes a little deeper into each of those options and things to consider when when looking at the the four options so in the status quo situation the problems will persist uh resident so the status quo was abated enforcement the problems will persist residents that want a canopy will continue to install these uh at the risk of the county requiring removal safety navigability um remain or worsen as a result enforcing the existing provisions residents would be required to remove the canopies and groups this option improves safety navigability enact new provisions and grant amnesty it doesn't require the removal of the various liabilities that are out there the illegal canopies can continue to exist it legitimizes those canopies and allows residents without illegal canopies and risks to apply for permits safety inevitability issues would remain

because you wouldn't necessarily be addressing the pre-existing conditions that are out there but there would be likely improvement over time as new structures come online meeting codes etc and then the fourth option would be to again enact the new provisions and require compliance um a lot this allows most existing canopies to be brought into compliance but it may be impossible to bring into compliance without demolition of existing structures right so there's going to be that aspect of it where there's going to be significant uh potential ramifications toward those who have built these prior to any ordinance and provisions next slide so today we're not we're introducing the the concept of the ordinance but we're not actually introducing the actual ordinance language the discussion is mostly going to be centered hopefully mostly centered around what to do with the with the existing properties that have these boatlift canopies already in place an ordinance would come forward based on a feasible ordinance at least would come forward based on the direction that we're seeking from the border county commissioners today next slide but this is today's not the discussion about the actual ordinance but rather about what to do with the existing uh christian chairman preconditions yeah sure if i may um i don't believe the board can take action and other than just tell staff that they should be enforcing the order the current ordinance which is on the books which is these are these structures are not allowed you can't take a position today about amnesty if you don't know what the ordinance that you're going to adopt is so the the presentation that you're getting is really premature um for today's discussion that what we should be discussing is what the ordinance is that you want brought forward okay so the illustration up above uh illustrates in a nutshell what the proposed ordinance might um a fact for the for the community continue with this saying what a proposed ordinance might look like does it matter well yeah that's what you should be discussing not not not whether you're going to give amnesty to those structures which have been built illegally if they've been built illegally they've been built illegally you need to you need to if you're going to go forward with any sort of an ordinance that would allow these that's got to be discussed if you're going to continue to prohibit them on the golf which is another option for the board

then there would be no reason to give illegal structures and mistakes so what today's discussion really should be before the board is either to introduce introduce the ordinance that is coming forward to the board or to gain information from the board about what the ordinance should look like that the board wishes to adopt so we're actually giving them direction for writing the ordinance right what we're here to do yeah so so if if all right either to abandon it either to abandon this project and say you want to stay with with the concept of there shall be no roofs or what sorts of roofs or canopies would be acceptable to the board for an ordinance to come forward so that we we can move this project forward to an adopted ordinance well mr mr moore either enforce their current ordinance as written or move on to something else there's your choice with the choices that may be given for editing i think at a future date the board can determine what it wants to do in an enforcement context after it figures out what it wants to do with the subject matter right currently they're prohibited it's not being enforced it should be enforced but it's not being enforced correctly why is it not being of course in reality it's that would be a question for staff yeah and if you want to make a change of that that's when we're gonna you may want to delve deeper so that's a choice you have to make stick with the status quo or do something different yeah right jeff yes historically i agree with what commissioners saying here and just for a little history we have never allowed covers in the county but we tweaked the ordinance a few years ago for four lakes or last year maybe for lakes and i actually yes to say okay as you know as long as we're leaving this at lakes where no one's view is obstructed and if something blows off those structures are very far from the residents and people and and other people's property and therefore i don't feel it's such a safety issue but i am adamantly opposed to changing what has been the historical nature of our coastal area um where we where we don't obstruct other people's views and um we keep the safety of other property and people um in mind you know we have a lot of residents there who don't live there year round and they're

they're not here in the summer they're usually up north in the summer and who's gonna look out for their canopies if they're not here so um we've got along fine for since the 70s without them um so i would not even want to go on with the presentation and say i'm let's just test the water and see if we don't even need to move forward um on on the idea and then we can discuss what we want to do with the current ones that were built um illegally most most of them with the knowledge that they were illegal but they went ahead and did it anyway so chairman um i can't tell if jax wanted to speak or not i don't see yes mr chairman if i could jack mariano yeah yes sir i would i would say that um you know we would help with the lakes issue was an easy one because it didn't affect beside them uh this one here was definitely more sensitive to um people on canals live next to each other but i've talked to many many people that have votes worth as much as a hundred thousand dollars maybe some more through the designs of these covers which uh a foot or two over the boat and the boat there is really not gonna affect the view hardly at all uh the boats don't just have the cover which is pretty thin to deal with i think people should be able to protect their property uh i don't think in fact the view shed as detrimental as the other structures that were probably built or built before i think uh citizens want to live in the water protect their property and enjoy it and i i think the boat cover canopies which is something i think is a very good way to go uh for our citizens and i've heard tremendously far there had been pockets of smaller um that don't want to see it but for the for the most part up and down you saw the areas people do want to protect their their property okay miss starkey um so uh commission mariano i i live on the water that's i i my neighbors are the people who don't want this my my fellow gulf harbor residents there's a very very few who do want this i met with the hoas and um see seaways uh community you know and gulf harbors who don't have an hoa we have a voluntary um um can you remember what the ua stands for right now oh civic association and um they are very concerned about this and while there are a few that want to cover their boats i feel this is my community

that the majority don't and if you want to cover your boat you can cover your boat without all you have to do is put a cover on it i have showed this board before and i'm happy to show it if you again if you take google earth and you go down the coast again and around the state of florida the vast majority do not allow covered boats uh covers on their docks for the purposes i stated before and i think it's a dane dangerous to to make to change this ordinance i think we need to leave it how it's been and protect the property values and the lives on on the coast so um uh yeah so i i'm in disagreement i think majority people do not want their views obstructed that's why they they live on the water they love their view mr chamber real problem a real eyesore mr chairman mr patrick i think going back if there is a current ordinance in place then they should be enforcing that current ordinance and i know that something was changed when i was not here but i think they should be enforcing the current ordinance and then if they do plan to change ordinance in the future then they can rebuild later on and mr chairman i'm going to agree with commissioner the we have we have many structures that were built without any um permits any um uh building construction services you know no one's gone out there to look at these and and frankly we have a company that put them up knowing that they were illegal and and we and sadly we watched it happen in our community and it's really frustrating that people are thumbing our noses at the law and i think it's i think that's a problem um so i would agree that these illegal structures need to come down and hopefully um just buy a canvas cover and throw it over their boat if they want want it to be more did the boats are made to be out in the elements and uh and again i encourage you to to go take a google earth trip around the coast and you'll see what i'm talking about all right mr moore so yeah and i can and i appreciate commissioner mariano and some of the constituents in the area about protecting boats and and i i get it you know i've had boats own boats and things like that um but what i will say is i i did have a meeting i think it was last week i think last thursday um you know on the record with a pretty large group of residents from the coast um they were adamantly

opposed to it and speaking on in um in support of some of their other residents as well and representing them so i think about going up and down the coast and thankfully throughout the years we've had some opportunities to go up and down the coast um most recently i was over in palm beach in west palm area about a month ago they don't allow covers there and when we talk about the prices in fort lauderdale miami and that'll get to our coast too we think about the price of those boats now we have some people with some really nice boats over here but you know that's a very wealthy area as well open and they've got you know they're pretty some pretty expensive boats there and they don't they don't allow it because they're the fears of getting obstructing that view and you think about unfortunately how some of our canals were built many many years ago in paso county they are very very skinny canals um i spent some time going up and down some of the canals i won't name which which ones because i won't give up my fishing spots but um there's some good fishing spots and within some of those residential canals um and they're really really really skinny you cannot even turn a boat around in many of those especially even even in lily you know a 20 24 foot boat you can't you cannot turn that thing around so it would it it can and it will obstruct those views in those areas and if you look at the elevation of the homes in that area they're elevated very high because of the i guess that would be has something to do with the flood the floodplain if i'm not correct um so they're up higher so what you'll do is you'll end up looking down a lot of those canopies so you're not going to see under them now there may be some areas and then i don't want to say may there are some areas in florida especially when you go up in the northwestern portions of florida you know when you get up even more in a crystal river and north of that where um they look they're just different you know the elevations are different um and they may be able to possibly see under them i'm not saying they can but it's it's it's different um so that's my fear you know again you know i see it st p um pinellas county um hillsborough county um and again i talked about palm beach miami places like that over the east coast i can't speak to the north east northeastern part of florida because it's been a whole lot of time up there they they don't allow it either it just it really we talk about safety too as commissioner starkey mentioned possibility when you have

some of these very tight houses that you can literally reach out your window and almost touch the next one and the docks are that close too so safety is obviously a big consideration as well i don't want to downplay that but i think the big one is just obstructing those views so given somebody buys a home and now a waterfront property they want to have be able to see down that canal and possibly see the sunset let's be honest they paid for it um and now there's a possibility of them losing it so i appreciate people wanting to protect them against somebody that has you know and does own vessels um wants to protect them as much as possible but at the same time um mine's literally on a trailer outside in a storage place right now as well and so that's just my thought and again i appreciate some of the people that want to have it done i think you know there are opportunities to buy the covers you can buy nowadays are really really good when i say covers the ones that just drape over the boat not a cover on a dock the one you an actual boat cover you purchase snap on the boat possibly or do it or other ways um they're they're pretty high tech nowadays and um it's not like the old throwing old tarp over the boat anymore you have the opportunity to keep a pretty snug and fit that can protect the inside of those boats just again my opinion majority of the people i've talked to do not want the covers they want to deal with with the covers that you put actually on the boat snaps or whatever so i actually have a boat and almost i it'll allow them up there do they let go well you can have uh up there they have some covers over both i actually have a deck over my boat but yeah your lots are different there and the lights and all are different i'm on a canal rather than the river so i'm just off the river but um i do have snack on cover on my boat protected so yeah it's um i don't necessarily like it all the time but i do it because it does protect the main thing you got to protect the boat itself is fine out out in the weather and some but it's the upholstery that the sun will eat up and just a little dry until it it you know starts breaking apart but uh and that's what people are trying to protect so but uh majority of people i've talked to one of that i have a little i don't know exactly what we should be doing about the ones that were put up illegally but they shouldn't have been put up number one so you know there's some back in the day i apologize

mr chairman i know there were some i think many many years ago maybe that before there was any type of ordinance that they possibly went up if i'm not correct which now you have yeah you got to figure out when when will they do whatever they put up though right mr chairman i guess that's relatively easy in terms of if you know what the date is so from 2010 forward is clear that this board prohibited oh because there was an enforcement action in in gulf harbors um so that would be that would that's the bright line we had and we in fact had looked at what had been built prior to that date but miss sims is the enforcement person so i will let her uh christy femme's county attorney's office um yes at this point we we need to decide is the planning staff going to continue to go down this road drafting this proposed ordinance or does the majority of the board want to keep the current regulations prohibiting them on the coastal areas in place if so uh county staff has done a survey they know which ones are illegal i am very confident that everyone um was told that they were erecting them at their own peril and we have not given out any permits for any of these canopies or covers um and so patrick moore and i with the county attorney's office would be happy to work with uh building and construction services staff to bring enforcement actions um to get the illegal canopies that have been erected taken down but we need first and foremost to know does the board want everybody to continue with this project really doesn't make sense for us to go tell somebody to take their canopy down if then the board is going to turn around and say yeah okay we'll allow them under what circumstances um you know i think that uh mr pintos uh going back to the beginning he said that we need to first identify what a feasible ordinance might look like then decide on enforcement and what i'm hearing is three members of the board saying they don't want to change that's that's yep four members saying that actually so i would call the question do you need a motion if you'd like to make a motion to abandon the yeah to abandon the organ abandon the previous direction that the board wishes to proceed with an amendment to the land development code

to allow right covers over dots that's my motion guys i thought no i thought jeff was finishing up something dude no okay that would be the motion um you know i know you guys have a lot of people will tell you uh that they don't see them they're afraid of what can you do the community but there's also other people that do think it's a good idea to be able to protect the boats but i will tell you i think overwhelmingly the people up in the hudson area from sea pine leisure beach that area they do want to be able to protect their boats i was asking terry earlier that maybe we should do like a public hearing meeting out in the public to do maybe go to the realtor building or some other type of thing and let's get people in front of us to let them tell us what they think uh a lot of people and i was comfortable bringing this idea forward to the board this way as opposed to just doing the public hearing in front of the board so at least with the public input at this stage so when the next needs came forward the people could be better verse that okay this is coming forward we're going to go forward i think if you shortcut it right now and don't bring it as a as a public hearing uh you're not getting from a lot of citizens that have a pretty strong opinion about it mr chairman i have two comments i think we should enforce the current ordinance up until the day we do decide to change it or update it because the ones that were built illegally were still built illegally so they should be and the code should be enforced on those and then if we still want to have a public hearing then move forward with that but as of now there should not be any what i'm hearing is there should not be any covered docs out there right now because it is still illegal and code should be enforcing what is the code is saying mr jim um i appreciate commission commissioner mariano's um words but again i'll reiterate i live on the water i've met with many um of my constituents that live on the water the vast vast majority do not want their views obstructed and to be nervous if the storm is coming if they can even go outside safely and so we had a workshop on this already um i think there's this has been talked and talked and talked about out there and i think it's pretty clear that um the majority don't want it and i would again we're under discussion we have a vote to not move forward on a we have an item on the floor to not move forward with changes to the ordinance that uh commissioner hildebrand enacted in

2010 because we didn't have any rules and um they were starting to have problems in gulf harbors and the civic association had to take people to court themselves um it's very expensive and so so the county commission back then i think it was unanimous past this ordinance and i see no reason to change it okay we'll have a motion and a second on the floor mr chairman just just to clarify the commissioners the commissioner's comments the county had always taken the position that docs were prohibited we clarified that position in 2010. i think yeah okay so by wrote all those stock covers commissioner district three commissioner starkey aye district four commissioner fitzpatrick aye district five commissioner mariano district one chairman oakley aye motion pass four four one okay first time we do we need to discuss do we need to make a motion on how what we want code enforcement to do or you know now you just have to enforce these things we're going to force we're going to force the ordinance as written that's what i heard him force yourself there for you to do the enforcement okay all right right target okay there's an airplane all right uh again uh our 52 will be heard after public hearing this afternoon and this time we will move into uh old business we'll start with commissioner moore all right thank you sir give me one second let me pull some notes out here we're gonna see some football all right you made a video for us all right thank you mr chairman um well as everybody knows we now have coveted 19 vaccines at our publix locations throughout pasco county so i do want to thank emergency manager director jared moskowitz um for listening and and taking a call we had a couple weeks ago i mean he's he's he's uh doing a great job with what he has especially you know he's he's been limited what he was getting coming down through the state and now things are picking up but he's been definitely stepped up and been a good advocate for our county so we appreciate mr moskowitz and governor desantis um for helping out with that um so our seniors you know in addition to going to the locations that the state health department already has set up in west pasco and east pasco now they do have that opportunity to go to publixes um again just a reminder that is um through publix the sign up is not through any county website or a any type of state website you do need to go to the

public's in their own portal to do that but again thank you mr our director moscowitz we really appreciate you um so just a follow-up to our port richie uh cra conversation um from the previous meeting um and i want to thank mr biles for he's going to be attending their cra meeting at uh sometime this after later this afternoon so we appreciate you doing that i do appreciate mayor tremblay and commissioner starkey setting that up i'm having that conversation with us they did have um they had their cra board meeting that night um and i did watch it um on wrigley and um the mayor did bring up our concerns which i appreciate i want to thank him for doing that um again they're meeting again tonight where mr biles is going to be there with a new city manager and i'm sure mr biles can explain to you that he had he'll talk during his time that he did have a conversation with the city manager and it was a good conversation um so i pulled the taxable values for those areas in port richie that we spoke i spoke about that day there's actually one street and i'm going to say it again one street i'm in port richie that has a higher taxable value than the two neighborhoods that newport richie pulled out of their cra so that's an example i spoke about it that day looked up the actual taxable values through the property appraiser's site and they're higher than the whole area that newport richie recently pulled out so florida statue was a 163.340 defined sierras as being slum or blighted areas and that's clearly not as we discussed that day a blighted area second you know during that crm meeting that i watched um i think they're confused a little bit on their authority as a community redevelopment agency um because when they discuss our concerns on the entire city being within a cra one of their council members stated they did not set the boundaries again the council members stated that they did not set the boundaries that the state did well that's incorrect as we all know so i know that will be come up later this evening and mr biles has our concerns but i just for the record i just want to remind them that they do set the boundaries the state doesn't or the county doesn't now if you would like us as a county to set your boundaries for you we'll be more than happy to set those and i have no problem doing that um so they have that ability to do it so

florida statute 163.361 modification of community development plans reads if at any time after the approval of a community redevelopment plan by the governing body it becomes necessary desirable to amend or modify such a plan the governing body may amend such plan upon the recommendation of the agency the agency recommendation to amend or modify a redevelopment plan may include a change in the boundaries of the redevelopment area that add land or to exclude land for the redevelopment area or may include the development and implementation of community policing innovations so i know the state audits happening too we'll see what goes on with that but again thanks mr biles for moving forward so i just want to state that for the record and almost last um congratulations to the new super bowl champions tampa bay buccaneers it's a big deal right it's huge it's huge first team to play as we all know in at home during the super bowl in the dominating performance by the defense and tom brady and the entire offense as well so congratulations and go bucks we are proud of you and uh paso county i know was watching intently when that game happened and a special happy birthday to legislative aid extraordinaire andy taylor sheriff taylor his his uh his birthday was actually on super bowl so we were celebrating today oh yeah yeah so that was a good birthday present for him so i think with that i'm uh i think i'm good thank you all right miss snarky yeah i also want to give a shout out to our tampa bay bucks that was that was awesome i didn't think it was going to be that close but um i enjoyed watching it from uh down in saint pete um and uh you know that much of a blowout i had no idea it was going to be like that i don't think it's so frustrating that we've had a year like we've had in tampa bay with all our teams winning um at such a high level and not being able to financially recoup everything so i'm looking for another repeat this year and yeah so um well let me start at the bottom of my notes here and talk about the cra you know i had to leave to get on this national phone call but what i really wanted to reiterate is not only is it concerning about the that they have the whole boundary of the city and the cra but that such a high percentage of the taxes collected are are going to salaries rather than in infrastructure

improvements and that's that's really concerning to me so i hope i don't know if they talked about that at the meeting um and uh so i really hope you bring that message that you know you will yeah that's that's very concerning um and again i i think you know we all want to work with port richey they've got they've got that wonderful wonderful um bayou there that we want it to be you know the best it can be and we want to help them with that sidewalk going underneath 19. right and so we all need to work together but that money that they're putting towards salaries could go a long way to building that sidewalk and frankly i don't see the state giving them money to help build that if when they're misusing their tax money so we need them to get that cleaned up so that we can all work together and get that sidewalk done yeah thank you commissioner i think if i'm not correct and if they would actually pull more avalorum in some of those neighborhoods if they pulled it out of the cra so it would actually have more revenue that is not encumbered because if they they see our dollars are only supposed to be or certain things so am i not correct on that we haven't run the numbers but with the area you're talking about they may actually have more but we've we've not run the numbers yeah but there's a there's a good possibility that theoretically that could happen that they could use for other things and then it's on board and also another point that you said you know we understand we have the big we have a lot of staff with a lot of expertise and we stand ready and willing to help port richie get to where um you know we all think they they should get to um i so i also was on a call last week with um uh jared moskowitz and um i was very glad to hear that the state is getting that 16 bump that's guaranteed um the uh uh andy fossa had asked me to ask him about the nurses and getting more nurses because we're we're quite thin on on nursing staff as we're spreading out going into communities um he and andrew's looking for more nurses so just putting that call out there and i continue as i'm sure many of you do to get emails that people are frustrated that they can't get into the system but more and more there are more and more avenues for people to find ways to get vaccinated i i think i've read this morning walgreens is now going to start being a site and um in a walmart i think but now whether

it's here or not i know sometimes they're rolling out in rural areas but more and more areas are are being rolled out the problem is still the supply of the vaccines but i do i am concerned and want to be sure we're doing all we can to make sure that our citizens are senior citizens who don't have access to computers and aren't computer savvy are able to figure out how to get to get on i i'm hearing this over and over again so um maybe we can have um mike or or someone uh report to us again what we're doing to help seniors and you know i don't that's his responsibility or can we can we help um i know we've got cares involved a little bit but but cares is not all over the county so i just think we need to do a little more to help our our seniors without computer skills learn how to get vaccinated well there's china they have a telephone number they have a telephone number as well i know but i i'm hearing that it's really hard to get through okay so you have a hundred thousand people trying to get a thousand i know shots it's going to be hard to get through now i think you're wondering if we if we can be more proactive and helping people get pre-registered commissioner starkey they did say they are taking the names and cues so if they want to have them call them back they don't have to sit on hold all day they will actually call them back to help them schedule their appointment keep going through until they get something i guess no um all right well i i just wondered if we couldn't have uh reward our libraries or something got to realize that we have 130 thousand 65 and older seniors we've only done about thirty seven thirty thousand right i'm not saying that we need i mean the queue is the cue i'm just saying some people don't know how to get in the queue i understand and i hear those phone calls yes we do and we try to throw them off we try to help them get through there get to someone to talk to and um so lastly i got a phone call uh from someone who's very interested in the health department building that i guess the health department's uh vacating um off a little road are there some county-owned properties that are becoming available and i don't see eric here no he's here oh there okay i can't see you are we is it possible for uh someone to purchase that it's a it's a charter school that's right nearby they're very interested in it once we close and the health department is ready to move then we will begin the real estate actions on their two current properties okay we're working with the city on the one

that's in downtown newport richie but the one that's on little road will go through the real estate process okay that is outlined in code and statute and anybody you know that wants it can submit a bid okay any idea on the timeline for that approximately i think we're still trying to clean up some of the some of the language around the covenant of the building that we're buying did you say a year is that what i heard no i can't see eric commissioner eric breitenbach assistant county administrator internal services based on the the transactions that need to take place and then the move for the health department i'd estimate we're at least a year out before we are able to uh begin that real estate process and where are they going again so building off of 52 i don't remember the exact address i can get you that information we can get to we get that working building yeah okay and what about the health department downtown newport richie so they will co-locate they will move out of there as well and we are working with the city on that building okay all right i think that's um it for me thank you mr patrick um i would like to say i went up to the human trafficking event light up the night and it was a great turnout so continuously raising awareness for that of course the bucks had a great game and i was yelling at my tv all night and one of the other things i wanted to mention is we are looking to build a special needs playground so i am looking for any public input any public input it's going to be appreciated for the west side of the county special needs playground um lastly with everything going on and everything that's been been transpiring i would like to know if we can show respect for our military and our armed forces i would like to make a motion to have the six armed force flags displayed at the dyess to help show respect and honor our military our current veterans and their families don't think you need emotion but i'm fine with that i like to for everything that they've done if we can just put maybe three on one side and three on the other whatever the legal statue is with the american flag and the state flag so we can honor our veterans and everything that they've done for us is that is that one pla i'm trying to understand is that one flag or is it there's six on there there'd be one for each person there'd be one for each service okay so i can't do that so and see if um it's about obtaining them and put them in the right

position right place doesn't take away from the building but we'll let facilities look at investigate how we would and that's what i said we'll get rid of we'll get something worked out on that okay thank you okay and that's it that's it all right mr mariano thank you mr chairman uh sorry i couldn't join you all today i had uh back surgery last week and it's been a little bit longer than expected so um thanks for uh over here hybrid um just a couple of things um uh commissioner starkey and commissioner royal i think you guys are right we have a problem with our seniors trying to get into getting a number um whether it be a phone call a computer computer is definitely tough but even trying to every single weekend to try to get in has been very difficult uh i wouldn't mind looking at setting up a better we'll say a system that would allow people to get even if you're going to be number 135 000 as opposed to not getting in the system at least they'll know when they're gonna what their number is and when they may get a shot it may be better than just having every single weekend for the frustration where you've got family four and five people trying to get you know grandpa you know an appointment so we could take another look at that and brought this up a while ago but i think it's still a big issue and i'm glad you guys are hearing it too um and i want to commissioner stark your sentiments about about dave spring academy as far as the um they've got a facility they've been built they've been expanding all around i think they would be a good benefit if we can take a look at that administrator bowels and just have to make sure they're getting consideration i think it might be a good thing for us as they are providing education for the students uh full disclosure i used to be on the board there my wife works there but i think it's uh something worthwhile uh and they're um you have one opening on their actually have two openings on the restore act committee uh one is a citizens slot and one is going to be a most professional slot uh nick muttery's been living at gulf woodlands for a while he's got experience with dredging over mcdill i'd like to nominate nick mudry for the restaurant committee citizens large positions what was your was that a question no it's a motivated for the citizens nick madrid for the citizen seat for restore for restore well we're just finding out about the vacancies so why don't we see because i i have someone who might be

interested as well i don't not i don't know nick mudry it could be good or bad but do you mind if we um put it out to the commissioners to see if there's other you know a list of people and then pick from there okay i'd like to me i'd like to make sure we make the decision by let's say the next meeting so if any other any anyone else has got someone out there then let's bring them all in together um the profession i think is uh in the seafood business or some uh other professional i'll get to the title exactly but it's a more professional tone okay okay and that's the yeah repeat that one more time citizen's advisory for restore is that what it is yeah restaurant committee right yeah okay i thought i just lost it for a second sorry yeah we just we just had a meeting the other day went real well we've got a big meeting coming up april 1st so i want to try to get everybody in position ahead of time okay we can wait for that for other resumes um if you don't mind jack um if the administrator could send everybody a list of who's currently on the restore committee and maybe where where they live and who they represe what what they represent because there's some you know certain slots that have to be filled that way everyone knows who's on there and then we'll look at that and then what next meeting will bring it up and and uh said that sounds good okay thank you that's all all right uh mr miles yes sir i have a few things uh i'll start with good news um so we executed the agreement with florida turnpike authority on ridge road in the interchange on friday where they fully funded their responsibility um as they agreed to 24 years ago and we are still on track that that leaves us still on track to be able to open that road to traffic in the july time frame so by the time hurricane season really kicks in we will we will be able to put traffic on that road so so that's the first thing the second thing is i think a couple of commissioners mentioned port ritchie's is having a cra meeting tonight the city manager invited me so i will attend and i will bring up the points the board made uh specifically the two with respect to boundary and then also with respect to the finances and you know kind of trying to get from the city a plan to to bring it into compliance from a financial perspective and part of that is they're going to wait on their audit from the state that's due i think in the next 30 to 60 days and that will probably drive that piece of it the

the third item is just for perspective um you know i know everybody knows publix came on board with giving the vaccine out last week at night all 19 locations they're also working from the federal level in the state level to get the other pharmacies on board i just looked at a couple of their websites they're not on board yet but they have they're starting to build the website so as soon as winn-dixie and walgreens are available that they have the website started to build to be able to take appointments that way and for perspective the doh last week averaged about 1700 and that includes andy's imt team so the state team averaged about 1700 and that's both first and second doses but as a county we got about 2500 vaccinations on the day weekdays so we are actually getting about 800 more vaccinations in the county than doh is getting from the state so that's publix that's going other places so that so we are doing better there are other options out there and so it actually may become easier to get vaccines from the publix pharmacies pretty soon than it is from from our from our system as well so and they're 19 on 19 locations which means you have to drive either to this year's location or st leo so that is ultimately the private sector publix cvs walgreens walmart when dixie all the pharmacies will overwhelm the capacity of doh and that's what we need to get to we'll probably be there in the next several weeks which is positive the last thing um we have a new chief of staff i think most of you met her but i want to formally introduce her board meeting joanna cheshire she comes to us from the pinellas sheriff's office where she's been there for the last six years and so she has started about a week and a half ago so wanted to welcome her to the team formally in a board meeting so with that mr chair that's all i have for now i have one more okay um some of you may know that um morgan my executive assistant has been stolen by commissioner wells and actually is yesterday was her first day starting over here in dade city which is much closer to where she lives in hernando county so i'm wishing morgan great luck over at the property appraiser's office and i hired someone new someone new i cannot remember her last name right now um but her first name is um melanie and she has 28 years of experience in uh working with senator lee's office she ran his office she ran and then she ran dana young's um house and senate office and um i can't remember who she was with before that but

where she lived um she lives in north tampa but is not um opposed to moving but anyway so have uh i welcome melanie to um my office and hope you all get to meet her next time you're on the west side so yeah you know her mr chairman the only thing i have is in each of your blue folders there is a letter to the chair of the canvassing board judge compton you received an email from the supervisor of elections on the fourth indicating that he could use the two uh citizens representatives um mr spena and mr giordano as um as alternate canvassing board members uh for the board seats um so i would like a motion to authorize the chair to sign that letter motion second all those in favor by roll call district 2 commissioner district 3 commissioner starkey aye district 4 commissioner fitzpatrick aye district 5 commissioner mariano aye district 1 chairman oakley hi motion passes 5-0 thank you that's all i have for you today all right madam clark yes so um i'll start with something judicial then um the courts are resuming trials the week of march 15th here in pasco um i also wanted to mention our big shred event i had talked about it um at our last board meeting we've had two events since then one in newport richie one in dave city the big shred event is to help our citizens properly get rid of their paperwork that may contain confidential or sensitive information it is a partnership with the county with their recycling and education department that we work really closely with rachel dobbs to make that happen so if you could please express our gratitude to her we also work with cam caldell with shred 360 to bring the shredding trucks you had lauren fling um from your recycling department in newport richie and sally conde from the dade city on in our date city event so you were well represented they had given flyers out to the customers about recycling in pasco county so they got to recycle their paperwork and also got to learn about all the recycling opportunities here in pasco at the same time it was a great event in date city which was this past saturday on the 6th there were 129 cards just under 6 000 pounds of paper and that it was an average of 46 pounds per car in newport richie we had an event that blew all of the prior numbers in the prior years away we had 443 cars at 19 521 pounds of paper

and that was an average of 44 pounds per car so great event great turnout and a great um a great opportunity for our customers as well the last thing i want to talk about is we have our valentine's day wedding ceremony coming up it's this sunday on valentine's day it's going to be at two o'clock in the in front of this historic courthouse if the weather permits crossing fingers and saying prayers for that we have limited the number of couples this year to allow for proper social distancing outside and so that we can have a safe event we did reach our limit so it is closed for any other couples that would like to get married on valentine's day here with us and that's it sounds good um covet 19 of course i think our only limiting factor about getting the vaccine is the vaccine itself so we actually mike napier and his group have done a great job if you ever watch saint leo i went out and watched them in two hours they did over 300 people so that operation very smooth it's also very smooth on the other side of the county and now the publix and some of these other pharmacies involved will come up with vaccines then hopefully we'll get more and more and also eoc with andy fosse and his group has been taking care of vaccinating older residents in a pitch five and over communities so i think staff and all done a great job i i still have the issue like you have miss starkey that um some of our older folks cannot get through on the phone and it's kind of mind-boggling when you think that but we have 130 000 plus i guess 65 and older residents in pasco county the other day i heard we including uh some second shots we were like 37 38 000 i guess we were a little over that now so they're doing a good job but when you have 130 000 and you've only done 38 000 it's there's got to be some patience and and getting us there to to be able to get everybody back soon so very important so um uh with that i believe i have some pictures supposed to be pulled up i went to the ladder 38 truck push-in ceremony this is our new ladder truck 38 it's a 100 foot ladder it went into the station 38 the bell on the front of that truck will be uh was part of part of the new decor on that truck of that bell it will be when that truck goes out of service 15 20 years when that time comes that bell will be moved over to the next truck going in its place

and the pushing ceremony is historic because it goes back to when fire stations had a horse horse driven [Music] what do you call them wagons or whatever for for hauling the water and all but uh you can see we're actually pushing that truck back into that thank goodness it was on and in reverse so but uh a great day when we initially did groundbreaking and opening of that new station 38 there in watergrass very amazing that was the truck we were talking about that was coming and it's like a year later it got here so but uh 1.1 million dollar truck so it's pretty expensive and pretty pretty good it's like say 100 foot ladder on that truck so another thing that they've started and uh i think they're getting some uh national requisition uh recognition for the uh chief case in them with the they actually when they go out to a fairly large fire fire and those officers have to that that work that fire they have to change your uniforms before they leave that scene they change into clean uniforms come back in and of course changing and showering all for themselves so it's uh but there's an actual truck that goes out with spare uniforms on it that the firemen go and get those and change into the clean uniforms before they enter their truck to go back into to the station so very neat ideas not done very much in the country and i think when they have their i believe it's a commission something they're going to be speaking to they're asking pasco county uh how they came up with that idea and how to do it because it's a very good idea for protecting the safety of our farming so but all good on the way out there i actually drove out curly and missed more comments more on the way in curtin was asking if curly was going to be four lane i think it eventually is going to be four lane mr boss curly road yes sir eventually the exact timing of it yeah it looks like they're resurfacing are they whiting it in portions now i'll have to check i yeah i have it i haven't driven i know that i think the developer is doing some stuff out there right now but if you haven't been out their way from dade city and go out and hit curly and go across toward wesley chapel i remember when a lot of that was citrus citrus groves impact pastures and all too but it's kind of a bittersweet um picture as you go out what was there was always very nice beautiful

in the history but what's coming there is also in the same way very pretty and you know bringing it a speed new technical high school being built right there and uh just pretty amazing the thing and the growth and how things are changing in our in our eastern part of pasco county so uh does anybody have anything else they'd like to add to the meeting okay if not we'll break for lunch we'll just miss champions come back and one excuse me mr mariano thank you sir i'm sorry i hit the wrong button there um that's okay i i had a meeting yesterday with the regional planning council uh they're concerned about senate bill 62. uh citrus county is going to have a discussion about it today i just want if you guys want to discuss that um what you thought of it yeah so i i had an update on with uh you know on the fact legislative exec i'm on the faq executive committee and we get a report every friday and just so you know um there's a bill filed it's the second time um to get rid of um regional planning planning councils and and but allow the option if a region wants to do it voluntarily right i think that'd be really hard to do to get all the counties to do something voluntarily yeah and frankly at the position that hillsborough county's taking these days about regionalism i'd probably be pasco and pinellas and not hillsborough um i do you know dris have gone away and and so that kind of oversight has kind of fallen by the wayside with regional planning councils however i do think this um the attention they're making on uh climate change and resiliency is a good place good place holder for the the regional planning councils um because i don't know where else we could do something that may be a coordinated effort in the area so i'm up for discussion to um if we want to still support them with a more li you know more folk focused role i have no idea how much money we give to them i really don't know what the budget is so yeah do you know jack i don't know but i think commitment knows well these lo while he's looking back commissioner stark i do uh share your sentiment that the resiliency of what they're working on is very important for your region uh so i think the councils around the state can benefit from that uh like you say they've gone away so that's not applicable anymore but that that one thing i said this year a

couple years ago when i got on the console was the best program they have going is the one probably vehicle that can actually bring us together in that regard yeah yeah there's going to be federal federal money coming down for that i feel um i don't see what we spent yeah i don't know six figures yeah six figures i can have the answer after lunch i don't remember off top of my head and i can't search it right now mr chairman yes sure on commissioner starkey's point there already is an interlocal agreement creating tampa bay regional planning council that was signed in 75 i believe it's still in place no i know but this senate bill gets rid of all of them but i'm about to build it the interlocal agreements you you had made the comment that you thought it would be difficult for the counties to quote collaborate there already is an interlocal agreement that all the counties that are in tbrpc are a member so they can't the state can't um it would fall back on the inter-local agreement and then then it would be up to individual counties to pull out of that interlocal agreement if they wish to i haven't read the bill but i just how many cameras a lot of commissioners went up there and spoke against killing the regional plan you know how many counties are in that in ours it's counties and cities it's kind of the biggest board of elected officials actually it is we changed the composition a couple of years ago there must be about 15 at least jack how many people i think i think it's about 21 cities and it's just counties from citrus all the way down to manatee so pretty comfortable maybe we should have a discussion a little bit after lunch you'll get a chance to look at it i know i sent them over in the afternoon yesterday but uh i i'm now the chair of it this year so um i told them my commissioner's kitchen was bringing up from her uh citrus so i thought we should discuss it as well we haven't put a plan together a place to really talk about ourselves but uh i do think it's worth discussion yeah i mean mr i mean there's no secret a couple years ago that i i had some concerns about um being forced to belong um had conversations with some legislators myself and most agreed i think all agreed when i said that because i i just i just think whether we think it's a great good idea or a bad idea i think it should still be the option to participate we should have the option as a county

we think about and we complain about these unfunded mandates on a regular basis what we're required to do so at some point and i'm talking across the board we're going to have to get away from these unfunded mandates you know and give us the local government the power to make decisions on our own what we're going to be a part of and what we don't when we're using taxpayer dollars so that's something to consider and i'm not saying that just for the regional planning council when you know that i've said that about everything i just get frustrated when we're forced to be a part of something and spend tax local tax dollars and it's not being funded from the state or the federal government when we're required to participate that frustrates me it'll continue to frustrate me um but if you look at i think um wasn't the i think the votes i'm looking at the votes right here i can share this if you don't have it i think commissioner mariana probably has it the city committee members and you probably remember some of our some people in our local delegation in the past that also took issue a couple years back it just didn't go anywhere yeah but but i think this resiliency is kind of new and it needs to land somewhere yeah i don't disagree i don't disagree and i think that's a good place for it to land i just don't how much we would have fight the state when we many many times and different issues we've said no more unfunded mandates no more funding mandates and then we fight against one that's my concern right you know but but uh that brings up some more legislation and i see um ralph over there i i uh have uh informally talked to my legislators when i see them about the sales tax the internet tax and fully support um collection of the internet sales tax fully as a small business owner and someone who collects the correct area tax sales tax i don't understand why some people get have to pay it and some don't when they do business in florida i don't know if we want to formalize that in any way to send support to our tell our delegation tampa bay delegation we're in support of give them a little cover that we're in support of of going all the way with our our internet sales tax i i don't remember who's filed it um gruters i think is one um but i think we're one of two states who don't collect it so come on we can't everything can't be on the tourism yeah commissioner starkey so you're a business owner a lot of us are business owners i'm a business owner

and um i do online sales and i submit my i submit the sales tax obviously i collect it and i submit it so i don't disagree when you know when you have some out there that aren't playing by the rules and others are and you're subsidizing for all of them right and and listen i'm small time compared to you know and it's not much i get us in the state but i a little i i do send them something and i also send in my penny for pasco as well when i submit that um but yes there's a lot of large very large organizations that aren't paying their fair share um yeah i i agree it's disappointing not like i want more taxes but at the same time we're going to have them you better you need to pay them yeah and then it ends up being the small ones the mama pops lots of times that again that are participating and playing by the rules and the big dogs aren't that's frustrating i don't disagree ralph's lair in a governmental affairs officer you are correct so that is the wayfarer bill don't have the bill number right offhand that is one that fac uh supports florida league of cities supports um so i i based on the feeling that we're getting there although it's still early and they're still in committee meetings leadership does support that bill um you hit the nail on the head i think the the the mom and pops and the and and the the the brick and mortar stores are doing the right thing uh some internet cells uh are doing the right thing just not all this will make sure it's um an even playing field across the board so i think that support is there uh and and that is the message that fac carries well so i would make the motion that we um write a letter in support second of this effort great okay and then i just wanted to real quick go back so if you'll remember on the regional planning council i sent an email yesterday at 4 44 to all of you it's got the overview that was done by the tampa bay regional planning council and the sample resolution and i also provided you the staff analysis for senate bill 62 currently there is not a house bill on that uh on the bill right as of yet um so you'll you'll get a an understanding of of what that bill does um if it were to pass but again no house sponsor at this point in time okay so uh i've got a motion a second to uh support that bill the letter number put that together for y'all yeah get with marie and put that letter together but by roll call though commission i'm sorry district 2

commissioner moore aye district 3 commissioner starkey aye district 4 commissioner fitzpatrick aye district 5 commissioner mariano aye district 1 chairman oakley aye motion pass 5-0 okay thanks anything else is it all right we're going to adjourn until 1 30. see you back here then