02.09.2021 Pasco Board of County Commissioners Hybrid Virtual Meeting (Afternoon Session)

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but. district one i motion passed 5, 0, next item is p 57.

item. p 57 was published in a ten-day times on december 16th 2020. if you can bring up the power plant on the night and police. while we wait for that to come up. it's a 57 a speedy 21 7, 5, 0, 6, and enough trust number 7, 4, 5, 4, 1, 2, 0, 7, lan service corporation trustee.

it's for a change in zoning our agricultural residential ac agricultural and see to general commercial districts to see to general commercial district and i one light industrial park district. next slide. please. the parcel is located in north-central pasco county on the northeast corner of the intersection of i 75 and blanton road and it goes up to the event. to hernando county line. the site contains approximately 89.0 7 acres and it's undeveloped the proposes to the to develop the southern 14.6 6 acre portion of the property in conformance with the sea to general commercial district standards front of her development and the northern 74 points or one acre portion of the property in conformance with the i one light industrial park district standards for development surrounding areas characterized by residential and agricultural pursuits following slide the site. the site has a future land use constipation of pc currently, however, on december 2020, the board of county commissioners adopted a comprehensive plan amendment see pal 20. '06, which amended the future land use on the site from isis employment center and a g i ll industrial light and com commercial if the rezoning is approved shall not take effect until such time as the appeal period. the companion cpa hours has ended the applicant held a neighborhood meeting on 2 2520. next slide. please. the applicant has agreed to voluntarily agreed to a deed restriction for the seat. a portion of the property that basically limits. the permitted uses 240,000 square feet prohibits multifamily apartments prohibits auto towing or connected storage of vehicles. prohibits your trash disposal facilities. prohibits construction and demolition debris disposal facilities and prohibits drive a truck spot stop sorry. and some of that. many of those provisions were as a result of comments from the neighborhood meeting. the following slide. please. thank you. the applicant has also volunteered to record a deed restriction over the i one portion of the property which basically limits the i one industrial park district permitted uses to not exceed 500,000 square feet prohibits auto towing can connect the storage of vehicles, prohibits yard. trash disposal facilities prohibits construction demolition

debris, disposal facilities and also places a requirement for 25 foot setback along parcel. that's adjacent to the east, which has a single family dwelling on it to remain as a natural undisturbed area except for the necessity of the for maintenance. next slide. it also specific development standards that are for the property, which include architectural design a building facade spacing. 75 include windows at ground level and or clear story and shall or at the clare story level. sorry and shall not include overhead doors. it outside storage of material supplies products not permitted in the front of any structure. when outside storage is exposed to i 75 area shelby screens at a high of at least one foot higher than the hairston. the to real being stuart being screened not to exceed 10 feet. additionally, the applicant has included in the deed restriction that loading docks utility hp a c equipment. trash dumpsters stress compact complexion and other service functions are to be incorporated into over to the overall design of the primary building using screening walls of compatible material design and color. next slide. the next slide shows the current zoning on the property. i move to the next slide and the slide actually shows you on in purple or lilac area. that shows you area that is proposed for. i one light industrial park district and the area that's a red with e diagonal line on the bottom on this on the south end of the property. that's where the the sea to general commercial district has propelled line. falling slide shows future land use and move on to the next slide. this is the land use based on the comprehensive plan amendment see power 20. '06, on the next slide. the following slide shows the access to the property. blanton road. and stephon's to it's the this comes to actually with the recommendation of approval and it's from the on the and and the a planning commission here for any questions you may have.

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yeah. hi, barbara wilhite for the record, 53 point, rand paul or you put richey, florida 3, 4, 6, 5, 2, good afternoon, they are. public hearing on this item. we've got man in recommendation planning commission not only on the when it was adopted back in december. but our clothes on a rezoning that before you today that recommending approval. i don't know anybody at the on think they're going to time. i do have my team on the on the line here. but larry is on as well. like razor.

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there's no one else he ask. all right. thank you. yeah, just not correct for staff in the up and up not correct. isn't this site right at the interchange in along interstate 75. yes. okay. make sure so and knew i was going to want to state for the record, you know, we talk about, you know, wanting and needing more industrial, you know, in the county industrial sites you know, unfortunately, we're actually losing industrial sites and many instances where people are rezoning from industrial to something that does. it's not a job training site. and this is right on. interstate 75, which is obviously the access you want for tractor trailer trucks. you know, ease for community of people to do business there. so to me, i mean, if anything we've seen in a long time. this probably it is so 5. so. yeah, i don't have the applicant wants respond but out a move for approval many is after response

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buy policy. the comprehensive plan dealing with commercial i like that. got the very that you can only have beaches downing in common the dot com land here. so you know, heard quick month ago in the conference of plan. and you know, is interpreted probably former vandy. a quick we couldn't wait and hope a family component kept the torch will might get caught up on we've better. you work to happen out. no residential could the thing. well, the employment generating but if you're put that, we're want to get every news that the current damning. it's agricultural we don't have any job producing or commercial may have jobs. hard put your put your complaint have. so with simply after support staff recommendation. yeah. i'm on the or get out of we brought over here. we have sort of thing economic development council under this act you want to in change. and then we were happy that we could. the component because of we need if it's a pain turn on re-entry. ♪

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good afternoon. any hyler here with long-range planning item. apd 21 0, 0, 9, 7, is a comprehensive plan text and map amendment and the name of a seat belt 2010, 2 rivers. the proposed amendment is a drug is proposing to amend this. a very policy flu. 7, one, 2 rivers and the highway vision plan map 7 dash 3, 6, to update the sub area policies and clean up some redundant language. the location is located off of state road 56 east of morris ridge road and west of goal boulevard.

and the resolution to this proposal is to provide for text amendment to the proposed sub or to the sub area policy as well as matt to 7 36 there is also a companion rezoning.

that should be coming or and it me companion zoning to mpd. that should be coming in shortly. you see that. spike thank you. comprehensive plan and these are the policies that the proposed amendment is consistent with this is going to be a visual sight location which is located in the south market area in the urban service area. this is an aerial identifying the 7 area, which east of morris bridge and west of go boulevard. it also about hillsborough county. your existing zoning is a c agriculture or agricultural residential the applicant has stated before is submitting an accompanying mpd to it. master planned unit development. existing future land uses pd. and there's khan also on those are not being changed. ♪ this is the existing highway vision plan that we currently and then the next slide. we'll show you what the propose so what the applicant was proposing was to reclassify lane. you're to remove old ones have and we all agreed to place a no on county line road. if you go to the next slide, please. this is going to be your final view of what it looks like and the next slide. so the reason why we are providing a note county line road. is this is proposed master plan, the applicant or property owner also owns the subdivision to the south. that is in hillsborough county and they're proposing to realign the county line road on that property to the south. so basically what's happening is the note on our vision. road map is stating that if the parallel segment is constructed in hillsborough county. they're not responsible to do it in pasco county if they don't do it in hillsborough county then they would be responsible do next slide. and so this is the trans middle hearing for the amendment. so what we're asking is that accept or the propose. find the proposed consistent with the comprehensive plan. excuse me. and transmit to the department of economic opportunity. another review agencies. the documents that you had just received just for some clarity on those. between the lpa and today's public hearing. we came to an with the applicant on their toes changes. the 7 dash 3, 6 and so the new documents, the agenda memo, the updated and the exhibit that is provided to you

reflects rain changes. and if you have any questions, i'm happy to answer.

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mister chairman, this is clark hobby b p a 29 or registry tampa, florida at dance we're in agreement with staff's most of the text amendment changes that you see our action of the fact that when the sub area policies were created for 2 rivers. there was not companion in pd and as i learned, the board previously, we're representing the proposed master developer of the site and there is a pending and pd that will be to you. couple of months that was filed some months so some of the items that are in the comp plan and all staff acknowledges we can simply move conditions. and then there's the cleanups along the way. amy rightly noted, that thomas family owns the property in hillsborough and has an improved pd there where the continuation of the intended intended county line road concept but i'm working with mister goldstein. we came up with a solution so that we don't have to build space. same road twice but that the company can't be put in that position where a full connection is in place. if the hillsborough county. project go and keeping in mind that what you're going to have him pd conditions and likely a development agreement with the thomas family in the same entity that owns both parcels that would run with the land. so the county has those assurances and other than that, we agree with staffs recommendation. we worked out all the highway vision that issues and they're on the same page. and i don't think any neighbors sure here they come in. so we're happy to answer any questions that got my co-counsel joel to on the phone as well. thank you. thank you.

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discussion just quick. i mean, i had the opportunity to have a discussion with the applicant. and i'm in support of this we talk this looks in the future is going to be really, really nice very well done. master-planned community. this is something that.

has really been lot of line for a long, long, long just it's taken a long time to get and thankfully for

thomas family at home for helping in some important obviously the expansion of state road. 56 was that something was very, very much needed here to 2 separate bills and the rest of the county and i will say, you know, there is there are multifamily apartments on this. you know, in the future for this property, which i understanding times in support of because this is an area that does not have percent ration of the multifamily. it makes sense in a large master-planned community. so i'm i'm in support and make a motion for approval.

i'll second that with this see the road network. and i know it's way too early to see trail network. it should be nice if. as a just important that's trials on it comes right when it comes room there. to get that done before that built the robot and that design of the state rep 56 was too far along to pull that trail off right off 56 and bring it. clark knows because he we talked about this. if we've been able to get 10 to 15 more feet. i'm the landowners. the homicide of a multi-use trail that travel could then walk last that no room to fix it. all i haven't i have a motion a by roll call vote.

district. 2 commissioner morning. i district 3 commissioner starkey. i district 4 commissioner district, 5 commissioner marianna i.

motion passed 5, 0, and get move along to the 15 this.

item. p 59 was published in the tampa bay times on december 23rd 2020.

so what you are receiving right now was by the request of the applicant. they wanted put this into the

item pd 21 dash 0, 1, 7, 9, has a large scale comprehensive plan amendment.

and the name of cpl 2112. hey, road. the proposed amendment is proposing to amend the future land, use map. smap 2 dash 15 and she 21 from red 6 presidential 6 toiling in its progress acre and i'll light industrial to rest 24 to allow for the development of 400 apartment units. yeah. the location is at the intersection of wesley chapel boulevard and wrote and the resolution is to mend the future land. use map smacked dash 15 and she 21 there is also a companion rezoning petition for this one. the proposed amendment is consistent with the policies. comprehensive plan policies. this is your life locator it is in the south, mark arum as well as the urban service area slide. it's off of wesley chapel boulevard with access from hay road. the existing zoning district that see every cultural with i one light industrial and has stated before. there is a companion and beauty. the existing future land uses rez 6. and i yell. the proposed amendment to arrest 24 would be kept or would permit a maximum density of 400 dwelling units. there are wetlands constraints on site as as and the proposed development will not exceed of 13 dwelling units progress acre. slide. and this is your visual as to the rest went for would look like. a proposed conceptual as you can see it is a budding, a area or use. so they will be providing access to the multi family as well. as access to the isis lou, which i have a little and i should have that arrow on their axis is going to be on the left of the access to that site is to the easy flow. that is a budding property as well. i. and with that we find the find that the amendment is consistent with the comprehensive plan and authorize transmittal to deo and other reviewing agencies. there are 4 additional slide. schools are reserved for the applicant. and i'm happy to answer any questions. if you have.

all is afternoon available. always. yes.

yes. mister chairman joel to for the applicant. goal to to an some harbor, florida. and i have been sworn. i represent oil development company with the consent of the property there are multiple property owners. this land has been assembled for this potential project. as amy said, world wesley chapel boulevard west of the i 75 interchange there at 54. is about 43 acres. gross acres however, over 16 of those anchors are many of them class morning wetlands. so we actually have 37% of the that consist of wetlands which makes this a little bit more challenge from the development standpoint and what type of would be practical. there are 37 developable acres. as jamie pointed we have agreed in a companion him few days owning which is pending to cap the density of 400 units. and if you knew that actual math, if you divide those 400 units by 43 gross acres in 9, 9, units per acre. if you define it by the 27 developable acres. it's a little over 14 units per acre. and if you do the somewhat complicated man to new york. all plan where you get credit through your developable acres and then percentage bonus or wetlands. it does come out to arrive 13 units per acre as jamie indicated, the problem is your comp plan only has a rest 12 multifamily category and then a job to all the way to arrest 24 we can't guess the games and be at risk 12 hence the reason that it needs to be rest. 24. but with that said, we stipulated from the record and the application that we absolutely will cap the density of 400 units in the companion we are coming to you with the recommendation from staff and also your planning commission sitting as the local planning agency to approve this plan amendment. i to now but i think very this is just the trans metal. we understand that there growing questions and discussions about the propriety of more apartment in the south area specifically and possibly other areas of the county. we fully or respect that this is not an approval. this is just a trans mettle to move process to the state begin any comments they may have. and we recognize and understand that any final approval would and could only occur when this comes back and the board. so he's both a plan amendment for consideration and also the companion so i'm urging all of

you. respectfully to simply transmit this for though, that at least we are held up if and when the board sees for any alderman approval, which would not be before and more a june timeframe aboard. this could come back. but as to the specific, just patients. we are not. i say again, we are not within the designated state road. 54 state, road 56 quarter which established by your resolution last summer where we're not within that were outside that. so this is not an area that the board elected to rush grant we are within the urban service area. we are within the south market area. we their border are entirely consistent with the u l i recommendation that originally served as the basis for your existing cop land policies which specifically promote. the family density when market area and this region specifically. if we can go to my surrounding land just one can put that up. that was my first. my first slide. thank you. our side is in trouble on the graphic before you. can see a north-south very parcel to the east of us. the brown area is the an existing industrial commerce park which is largely already developed. so we have industrial commerce in east. we have a very large employment center future land. use designation to our south and wrapping around to the west, which is in purple as amy said, we've committed in the imputed to provide both a vehicular and pedestrian cross connect from the southern boundary our property to and the employment center. continuous on the west side is a project that the board just approved last year is the matter the homes down home project. you approved a multifamily zoning there. i immediately adjacent so from so from the traditional brands and plan analysis. if there were no other noise or any other concerns we we this would be the poster child for inappropriate infill project. i'm still holding the doe not and because we're jason to a large employment center and commerce center to the east, obviously having multi-family apartment adjacent to that is totally consistent and supported. for example, in your employment center land use the board itself established mandatory criteria of 20% land allocation to multifamily units. so families been deemed critical to supporting him playing time in

center in job growth. we can help support an employment center about being continuous with it. i thought actually integrating our project with cross access to and from that future for him and this as a sanders unique narrow parcel. if we can go now, please, to my second side, which is that going concept plan. if you look at their shoes, see substantial wetlands. and most importantly, we have a very large forested wetland on the right hand side of that screen going all the way out to our friday john wesley chapel blvd. in fact, we only have enough upland area. they're common our access driveway which will that existing signalized wesley chapel, everything else in the front is a large forest and it's also a class one wetlands, which means there is absolutely no possibility unlike some other sites that you've looked at recently. there's absolutely no possibility here. for future retail or future office employment on that road friday because nothing can will ever be constructed. there. i so we have substantial setback since its over 850 feet from wesley chapel boulevard to our first. apartment building. that will be more than one story that first building is a one story clubhouse in over 500 feet itself from the road frontage and you will not even be able to see this project due to that force did what in the i also point out here that we're being even though this is the mpd plan i think is important that you see what we're committing to that hole buildings along our jason, to them at any town home project. every one of those buildings is restricted in the imputed to a 2 story building only that to stores will match the 2 story town homes immediately owner boundary.

in the billions doors will be on the or industrial park shot him. so with we did put into the record. the market study that you're going to have presented during your work session. i simply wanted to make sure was part of the formal record here. but i urge you to to just transmit the plan amendment so we can get going and back europe that angel consideration in may and what you have further the county wide issues that you're discussing about the rental market.

kathy to answer any questions how my here as well. and we appreciate your time.

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no one is on webex to speak to this item and there was no e-mail summit in france. is anyone at the key are shocked and there's nothing you just commissioner

so. we're back to the board, right. yes, but just make sure. so i was going to refer to this market study. i thought it was for this afternoon. but since it was percent during this item. i will refer to it. it's a correct.

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the backup. let's say you're are now going page 11 and says class a apartment communities that or i can actually i can actually show you 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, do not itself. i think the sun a little next to me. you know, we're going to submit think let's be correct on the summit. second thing you know, i don't i don't need to go through what i went through last time. referring to the you know everything. there's no need i think mister starts to test that. i the bottom line is this time. now we're taking away. my biggest real. i can talk about the past. it's about right now. that's what we need. we talk about it all the time that we need. i did a i was on a conversation this morning with somebody. that has somebody they want to bring in the town, us from outside the area that is willing to spend millions and millions of my biggest real plant. we keep taking away what start utc going to do. what's our internal economic development partner is going to do. they're not going to have anything left. no, there's got to come. you know, we as a board are allowed to say now. if we think it's not in the best interest of the community. and over and over again coming from for having if we get rid of her life. we're not going to have any left right next door to door to this site is calm park. 75. a successful project. they've done an extraordinary job. i'm not saying there could be your would be potential kuz. i'm not going my business. consider is contiguous. with this site. there's potential there. so that's my wife. again, my fear. listen nothing nothing. nothing, to the ap that whatever they're doing their job. i get it. at the same time, we as a board, we talked earlier today about what people in the community think listening to the community. it's time to do it. it's time to do it. ice all my time in this district. we talk about how much we know are districts. the people in the district yet the one per don't know how many for sure. but i know one person. i watched the planning commission meeting which i watch all of them and there wasn't a vote on the planning commission. was person that lives in district 2 because that gentleman knows and hears from the people. what's best for that area and what we're losing in the area. so he he was in that. you

know, some point what i'm going to ask you. i appreciate it. is it the people are up here with me. listen to me because i know what i'm talking about. and our my people, my community. i see my community the you know, that whole that's right. live. so i hear from my see the people all the time. but again, in this instance right here. i'm talking specifically about losing like industrial. you can't lose any more of it. we're not going to happen. he left. it was great. what happened today this morning. great project right. but when you drop pay, paul. we're going to have to conserve continue to have people that are willing to bring apartment complex is on a regular basis. you know, that's how it's going to it doesn't mean it's needed. kirby backing sales guy comes to my door, he's going to do his best to some of that back. i don't need but these are trying to sell me. we don't need to be sold and more. okay, close. the door.

give you an example of a 4 we didn't need housing because their prices and do need it because we have and done a good job and from example our grass. as residential and that area has, you know, the options, different during a they have only residential and that area. they are all i have 6,000 residential when in actuality they have over 15,000 jobs are. and it calls for some of these apartments to be near those areas provide a place for people that work there love their and so it's a great point. mister chairman and that's why wire grass did a job. make 2%.

did a great job of adding those products there. there are some member. how many entitlements already there. and if you like to, i'm happy to provide each and every one of you with because time limits, the amount of entitlements within wire grass the amount of retirement that are within the metal point area that some of been there since 1989. they have been built on yet. so what happens then when they're ready to roll. okay. so.

we still got to remember now. everybody can live in a about

did i got to say that there's an thomas for apartments. mister chairman. what i told he was there are entitlements for apartments on the wire. grass property to have not been built tons of entitlement. there are tons of entitlements right down the road for you're talking about within the 7 oaks area. there's a ton of apartment in time. right down the road. in the metal point communities. 3rd time it's already there. they're sitting and waiting for them to be up never asked to take away somebody's some time. and so they already have that sort of the time continue to keep property use with this over saturation in doomsday will okay.

is this like an already us. i ok, so it's so the majority of the property is currently rests. 6.

but there's 5 acres that are i al, there's about 90% of that 5 acres. that is a cat one wetland. so it can't be developed on on that cat. one wetland and then it's also surrounding to the north. east and south is that kept one wetland going into the aisle. that's adjacent to it so it it wouldn't even interact with that. component because a cat one wetland can't be developed i was going to be with national or if this was an live investor

that is valuable property that we need to bring. and this is see at the bottom of the map. like the left side and see that on the bottom. that's at 5 acre

cannot be built that slide and nationals only right. badly.

all i'm sorry, we can't hear yeah, it yet to i get it right there. yes. so to to the south. that's all cat one. so whether utilizing is whatever space is about 10% of that site they're using utilizing that for drainage and then they're going to have their buffer that they're going to activate as well as a component or an amenity to their sites. so.

so that and i'm going to be in support of this and tell me if this had been industrial, i would not have been support supporting it as i don't want to be flip and that, you know. a good site for great yeah. it's about 5 acres of the existing a 3 anchors. you know, what's really sad pod before all of the hour here. oakley. i don't if you're paying attention back then. but i think at one time this was the saddle brook corporate park. a lot of this land and the owners of this property held it and held it and held it for a long time and hopes that it would be a industrial park like what what you see in raleigh and and it's such a shame that and that it was the recession. i guess i i don't remember what precipitated become housing instead of really great. business park and it was well situated to 7554 could have been. are you now could have been eventually. so i will be in support. just throwing this out there everybody. it's not good. i i'm not in favor swap an eye out for. yeah. doubt now that for 8 you can build.

i yell or homes on that property. it's strictly just going to be used for judging

that's what their proposed water postal is. yes. one is that yeah. and now you can't build anything in the wetlands or so it doesn't matter if it's not, i'll dress express 24 you can't build a correct. rams fact are. i don't just pull up chair and want to make thanks.

appreciate commissioner starkey's comments you just made. i think we need remember the knicks. extend that we talk about industrial again, this is kind of. we'll get into this later. but since the was made. talk about industrial but think let's talk about this is doesn't have the zoning some that not for this property off. but we've got to think about the commercial in the retail, the offices. well, we talked about the sony, which we'll get into later this all right. i yield main to jam, but you have something say to this item.

yeah, i was going to you know, i i just i think we do have enough apartments out it's a big jump in zoning if they want to keep the residential and give us densities. i mean, it's it's a tough road to get out on. been a lot of money in the roadway. coming up, was spent on every problem. now. a lot of traffic, little area. so joining with density right there. i don't know that i do.

got to realize. the infrastructure we've built on land areas are the reason a lot of these things come in that area with the planners because i got was traffic. and it's there. we built the instruction to people.

that serve the people who through their can't get out still think going to buy everybody in a bus ride when doubt that one day down there. you see it.

sometimes do we don't have to vote on a room.

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speak mister this item is for the multifamily discussion. it's on the regular agenda for the board of county commissioners today. what i'll go ahead and do is a brief overview of the vocational a summary of information has been presented by the thank mom and partner to the board county commissioners in briefings today. we'll go through some current issues and concerns. what questions and so remain to be understood effectively asked what is the what is main issue here and also review some of the options for consideration. but the board may look into. so over head here we have summary of back on terms of vocational criteria. this comes from the a live report that's often cited board of county commissioners regarding this subject on multifamily when use and then in 2008, i recommended to them by the comments of 5 sub areas, each with its own vision and strategies. it also recommended that we revised the conference of plan was focused on infrastructure improvements in specific growth nose or or specific locations within the county. it identified the man over 20 years for residential context of the largest in the south area of the county. what would eventually become known in the comprehensive plans a soft market and then of course, the all important and the higher density, more compact development. take advantage of a transit opportunities by encouraging development costs of development and such that the concentrate those to a lot of the natural systems that exist. so mike and have quite a bit of open space in terms of what lands. what have you. and also to designate an urban service so that those are some of the findings that were identified in the you a live report next. item. this map. you've seen a number of beginning with the workshop that was in february of 2020. this is identifying. where the different types of residential products exist. so the light yellowish color that's on the illustrates where single-family residential erin located and then some of red colors that are on the map. illustrates small master planned unit developments those which have residential with and we broke and on the map there for the dark burgundy ones to illustrate where and he does that are

only about multifamily. the pink ones alyssa said marty family has them the and the dark or the deep is a multi county residential districts proper such of one's and if you recall jenner told bcc meeting we dove into the area that's specifically located around. so 5456 and i 75 that's shows up on this map as the burgundy and fugees. next slide. please. this map is illustrating the extent of the urban service area. and it's also number zoning districts. i think it's the zoning district on this on this particular math. so you have an idea of some of the see to uses or rather zoning districts are. which to allow for multifamily be a conditional use if you're in the future land use category. but in general residents, i mean, that's what the red is because there's no. he got cut off at the bottom there. but this is their urban service. and that's the point of the slide. next slide. terms of the location bacteria that to you live report in 2013 identifying to continue to suggest to ask for focus focusing growth and major corridors enhance opportunities for connectivity, trans and placemaking. they encourage chance of development as it ripped the duck shun measure. the consolidated employment zones to avoid sprawling enhanced transit. diverse. various policies create diverse shopping that a man uses focused along those transit stops higher density residential located on retail walkable to transit to our chips and dispersed growth patterns expensive to serve for the proliferate spot. and i guess that was the concluding statement to bring all of the other bullets on top of that together on the map. you can kind of see why the south market area was identified as a as a focal point the county. but in terms of the previous map to show the urban service saying, but they also just petition. perspective, the type of east-west access that it can provide to the entire region as well circulation turn our neighbors to the south. in hillsborough county cannot know it's coming. and i 2 things to note there. commitments lifetime. they go. going to the north of course, is the suncoast parkway. and and i 75 corridors. and the fact that 5456 is one of the main links between these

expressway systems. in the region. in addition to what i tbarta has been working on a regional project original rapid transit system that will essentially take you from downtown st. petersburg. all the way up into was he says was a chapel there yet stable 54 and i with another stop potentially a set 6 and i to stops within pasco county that service the entire region and this to be considered in line with some of the you lie. but conditions and with our conference of plan reflecting. for. locating populations nearest to transit areas so that they can access. infrastructure such as i 75 and the regional rapid transit system. and this is a this kind zooms has an ongoing planning effort to split. this has been one of target is to put the station and one of the death of consideration in determining location for rapid transit station is land use population density, which is the subject at hand today. jobs and affordable housing the riders having number of that can. go to the station and then also travel away from the station once they arrive in pasco county. and then also what kind of multi-modal connectivity is there within half a mile of. potential location of that station. so in terms of sidewalk, infrastructure, bicycle facilities. and and and other modes. again going to speaking to the concept of locating. nation. nearest to infrastructure. next slide. without going into all the things that we talked about any previous bcc meeting at the workshop. we have discussed where multifamily units can you how many have been and i noted in meeting. 26% of the county rez 6.27% is russ 9. we talked about how the residential lose can often kept. zoning density prescribe zoning densities. 0.60% of the acres in the county is on what the family approximately 0.1 7 acres or of single-family for everyone. a caramel teeth and we. the highlighted portion of the slide of the state's new information hasn't been presented before. there's a question produced in terms of how many multifamily units have been. permits have been pulled for new multifamily since the february 2019 workshop. so every 2020 looks up. so we looked at january 2019 to january 2021 and found that there were 412 multifamily units. where in the same time frame about

4,000. 21 single-family units detached or or poll than that. that period. we also discuss options for dressing multifamily at a or meetings multi bath. well, were updated and we've completed that that with regard to affordable housing but also for removing the incentive on multifamily in the mobility. few tables. policy directive was crafted by the board of county commission, commissioners and issued in summer of 2020 and then there's been zoning district update which has been initiated in terms of the hour. could rewrite activities from castle question. yes. so i disagree with what? i don't know where you're getting this from.

mister chair in 1920 21 and i say because when you the information you provided to any and assure you guys even have complexes in this area. we have to find a bunch of them so that was incorrect sort of the storm right. this so let me ask you, then the new one that was built in front of recently in front of lessing oaks looks a bit of math quite a bit about almost a year now that can still have signs out front and says, you know, rooms available. how many units of that.

off the top of my head. i don't know that this information

coming out of system. that's this time. it's i've taken that anyone development. it's a cross.

you guys had not bringing up your second. you guys can find all that information. i was told to make. doesn't have the ability. the final informational seller. in the number of permits until to the number you guys are having difficulty fundamental from both you guys going to find you guys going find all the information for the apartment complex. well, it might not right. cannot. let tell you because you went through this with we can if i mean, what is if i'm in.

or one so that so that every match i need to low to me. you're saying on the 412 running it rental units have been last 2 years. permits polled permits polled from its pole.

some of the ones that have been 54 part in so this is just in this window in that charge mobility fee by unit, which means we would be able to know the number of units on and each.

company that has that in a certain area. that's in the and service this are well, most of it. it's in there and sort of sad. but it's basically across the are.

so like that. the i think there's some coming up in front long lake ranch. where those then polled before 2019. you know, all some like and 54 there's a lot of construction going on. i should pull.

but they not put building permits for those you the i worked there. there are some across the street that would have been pulled.

so the distinction is in the doesn't permit. you can pull the information related to a specific permit. what is difficult to get through a and to donald from a seller is the. proposed number of projected number of multifamily units that could be built because in that scenario we actually have to go into each and every mp you d download the site planning efforts that have occurred and this is digest. what is the potential for multifamily that's happened that that could happen. that's what kept people from a seller. give us raw data on that. you have to actually going to the site plan and begin to interpret the site plan to discover, you know what the i might but when you know, when you're pulling the purse, it's a direct. one to transaction happening that actually from that information. you can pull that exist in another department and think that they think this from the building. mister

charleston, wesley chapel loan has that's being passed. 228. units. this is not right. close mister chairman jacques morial second number. just

i think we have a disconnect as far as what information is a 100%. because if you look at the number of apartments have been built. that those numbers. i give us a clear picture. this commission will mentioned earlier in the previous public hearing had we've got to rise and all these permitted apartment complex is coming. that will be coming in that it doesn't seem be that you're running for whatsoever. so we've got to get a better accounting total to find out what potentially could happen because the density so we said years ago. we're designed to be when didn't have to do these rezonings. you know, one by one by one. so i think we need to do a really thorough intensive. the far as what's out there that can be dull, not just with his promise here.

mister chairman, want to keep interrupting. but you don't. has to 52 so right there i meant to 75 for 75 for to put just 2

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i don't see how well, that's ok they have to go there.

we can look at the numbers. dow. it's, you know, okay.

the intent was to illustrate activity that's happening in one year's time, right. 2020 works. that to your time. that a mistake there. 2920 jan 2020. i'm sorry.

okay. i the senate just full speaking as the one twin lakes which you guys just approved like about a year ago. so that permit had people that once that to 52 i think 20 defendants site work. they haven't pulled the would be county d a. if the building, the building. so they're going vertical than but if this was calendar year 2019 that it would be on we go.

that's the one you're

19. that's so you're saying this is 19 to 2919 to nothing whatever. but i can that okay. let's live in we'll circle back on on the actual day. that's like there's the mobility of day quick summary of well, the family mobility few tables that when i have an increased the not fee would be the condominium townhouse, high rise 2 more stories and restricted multifamily and congregate care facilities so condos townhouses a district of multi family and kind care. but the county department of motor in also not have an increase to the net. the only and only those in the standard cat from urban suburban and rural.

meaning that when the fee was eliminated, it. those that find themselves in modern into the will still have an incentive. and at the time the from that to be consistent with the intent, which is to make a. troop reduction community out of mater on

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this is a quick summary of multi family policy directive that approved over the summer. the state there are 54 and state looking to 6 corridor from gunn highway to.

us know i won't into all of that. i think everyone is familiar with them an idea of being that if you're within 2000 feet this multi-family must locate. to the to the rear of the court or in a building in viable commercial and slash nonresidential frontage for employment generating uses. along the corridor itself. next slide. we also discussed affordable housing units for pasco county for citizens. at board workshop back in february. so 40% of the past. the household incomes under 8% of m i. and qualifies low moderate income households and 54% country doesn't cost burden and pay more than 30% of household on largest housing needs are for one lost 60%. that was just. framing some of multi, some of the multifamily discussion.

at the time. i can tell is to and i want to to as i learned more and more this this is so and that's the mean, the.

it could be that rise have affordable housing component to that. i think it was 10% to demand more west ham. thank you. we here in florida. have i was not that, hey, i was 10%. so 10% of any dr. i had to happen workforce housing kind built into it. and now it's a problem. you don't want your people don't want to have to drive far away. more they can afford to get to their job. and i think we have responsibility to make sure that but then any amount of distance, certain amount distance. and i know that number is at a certain amount distance from any employment center or, you know, lot large employment area. we need to have some workforce housing. i in no doubt in monroe county. the teachers and the police man. service and people live in miami day and they take them down there and assess. quality like that. hard to live there. so i'm really getting concerned that we don't pay enough attention to this part of our society and they need to be integrated into all our communities. some of the road a family we're looking at.

is on the formidable for the people that you're talking about not more companies rooms. thank you for some. a different animal. and yeah, i just actually was on while. well, we'll talk of. i hope we have workshop on this some time because. i want to talk about land trusts and other things that we can do to help the you, mister chairman, just to respond speak to you. just made. you made a good statement because you missed earlier in the last year in which appreciate by the way, a but serious.

you just stated contradictory own statement from earlier. people can't afford this $1400 month i don't see great or of our sins and that 10 years. yes. so you're saying so going back to the point of.

having too many of those. not having enough. the other housing. that's it. you're exactly right. all right. going to her.

thank you, mister next slide, please. and then some of the perceived issues with multifamily that have been in the past. i don't see that board and public schools and other based on the research that we've been able to look at. there are fewer families with children and apartments and less than men to schools and sink. then single family homes just does play in some of the things that we look at when we do now says force that's a county schools. they provide their comments to us. with regard to covers of plan amendments and what not. the compact nature of development requires less less land year making use of the existing infrastructure as much as as much as possible to both much to reach everything. introducing higher density projects can actually increase the communities revenue and help pay for schools for students density. the person alive and density developments. the slide of caution.

yes. now, does that hold true in apartments compared to regular. apartment since. my question i guess is you saying that they're less kids that live in apartment complexes is only for class. a apartment complex is because on the 19,000 apartments that we have on the west side of pasco. i can mean numerous partment have. probably hundreds of kids in apartment.

think it's a statistic.

that really doesn't mention income level or the type of apartment whether its class, a and class b or what have you i think some cross the board their way to find that out because it sounds like they would be if it's affordable housing.

i feel that you would have a lot more children in that area compared to a class, a apartment.

we want live in generally speaking one on when the national put this information out usually. after a g the situation. to a large extent. you know. the number of rooms any unit, influences family size or other family sizes. look for certain number unit rooms. the half and apartments tend to be limited to 2, 3, bedrooms on the upper end. so that helps market sort itself on terms of who's locating where and what kind of units.

and i think then limit the number of people

yes, many, many apartment complexes do have limits in terms of the number of people per bedroom.

well, you have one apartment complex that has 5, 6, they're 5 bedroom apartments.

as our news wants on rowan or yeah. don't congregate living.

and right. and now it sends up into section 8 housing as well. so informal housing. pressure. i think we also have.

data from the school district that went into therapy feed their impact fee that demonstrate multifamily which are seen in the last in the single family. one comes to acts and that would be from pasco counties on

the concern is an on off. it's now early. and you mentioned, that's the concern. is it's great that we have all these apartments now it's going to happen in 30 years from now because we have 19,000 apartments on the west side about 12,000 north. i think you or 9,000 the south and about 1000 on the east. so it's great that we have all of these apartments.

but when you sit back and you look at the list of the class, a apartment we've got 2 on the west side along 91 7 springs and then everything else is long 5456 so you really don't have any crossing apartments on the west side of pasco county. but you have more than. about 50% of the apartments on the west side of pasco county.

i think that mister chairman, i think that there will be a representative who can speak to the market. more clearly than i can speak. so we really have problems in i'm not discounting the questions commissioner. it's just i'm probably not market expert be able to answer you. precise. got your questions. but there is somebody be able i was trying to figure out.

for 30 years from now or we end up in the same situation with all these additional overcrowded or i know crowded apartments that turned into affordable housing. and how we can help. now some and i have a list of the apartment complexes in the crime rate for each individual apartment on the in the county. so. i'm trying to look into that as well.

all quickly run through the slides so that i can finish my presentation and let market. analysts speak to market. it's also in terms of high density perceived as having lower property values. but. national research indicates that there's no real discernible between developments at times the show higher property value and cases mixed use. densities also higher density. chris, more traffic and parking problems. the national studies indicate that hired on on the less traffic slowdown study. development making walking public transit more feasible me more to the point of what that was multifamily is trying to locate along infrastructure that exists, to data from the national personal transportation survey doubling density decreases the vehicle miles traveled with 38% and i think of the final statistic on the flight who is kind of important that trip generation 10th edition. i team annual thank them for daily trips to single family detached versus 7.3. chips for so. it's another proceed issue of the families at higher higher crime. it's not significantly different based on the national studies that we've been looking specially a multifamily is designed with eyes on the street. and then there's increased decian activity crime may actually be reduced. in terms of higher density, not proceed issue being higher density development environmentally more destructive and more density. it actually national studies are indicating lower density development consumes more land. for development because they have to sprawl out further to the lord on cities. has a much more larger footprint in that sense. and then another perceived issues that higher density housing is only for lower income households. there is a rise and trend of apartment dwellers being higher income brackets, which i think market analysts will be able to speak to him. we're definitively and i can mister reamy. mister

just so looking at that you know, we had our look clear who built a carillon parkway. invited the passion utc done here about 10 years ago to take a look at what he had done for constructing job development. and when he brought us down there even talked about test becoming a little bit. and he said, you know, the problem of pasco is you've got a great asset that you don't even capitalize on it was talking he was 19. he says. you're elevations for building still 2, 3 stories high. you don't get the densities you want so people don't get to the usual. want to get a better building that's now, for you to say that. report saying the higher density housing is only for lower income households. but you got it. the concept that i want to take you go look at the west side of pasco. go look at the apartments were built, you know, 2030, years ago. and tell that it doesn't. it's not affected with lower income compared other places. it's a big difference. as a matter of fact, on the west side of first affordable housing goals. i think part of the reason was struggling in the west side. if you had all these people that we retire is building 2 bedroom. 2 bath homes. sometimes to beth on the west side as it is a retired. passed on want what people in the rental market got up. everything that cool air is gone down demographic. that's why you've everything moved elsewhere out of there because the demographics don't support so you know, you're you're you're trying to push this. a partisan is not being a demographic with the challenge project situation. and i think it is. i think homeownership is a much better way to go. weatherby town, libya condominium, whether we're just seeing a family homes, then compared to apartments and to try to push that off. another way is a demographic that's equal. i don't think so it's right.

been on this.

i mean. only 3 o'clock.

our i want take downtown newport richey, for example. that's how new port richey struggled and struggled and struggled to the successful because it did not have density. and it was the introduction of the 2 apartment complexes. that. i commissioner family member lives in. and that my brother ma downtown that is really helping to revitalize that downtown corridor and they need more apartments down there and more dancing and frankly needs be a mix of that. i ran all the apartments because young professionals on buying anything they want to rent. and then they townhomes. but that but the success of downtown new port richey is going to be finding ways to have density. close walkable proximity to those shops or a close golf court proximity. so. i so what he's saying on the left is that that's what people to thank. what is actually happening is what's on the right and sometimes people don't really know what the classic definition of sprawl us. you can get into that here because you mentioned it, but i'm not sure you've defined it.

i was not planning and getting into the what i'm when i'm in us trading on these lines is not that i'm trying to push an agenda is merely to illustrate what common. ideas exist about multifamily. what national research is showing to us. so that's all that i'm trying to do here is is a perception about higher density housing or being only for low income households. and we have looked at multiple studies that indicate it's not only for low income housing, certainly there is low income housing that is apartment and that could be quite a bit of but i think there's demographic changes that are occurring the country in the states in this region, even. that are moving toward apartment dwelling. no matter the income and that's all that i'm trying to illustrate with us live here. next. slide. please. some of the remaining questions that asked at the previous the previous board meeting was that how much multifamily is needed in the community. what is the right balance in single family and multifamily his land and on the right side, i have what we think might be able to get us closer to understanding those questions. you know, residential densities and mixtures of residential uses is not a one size fits all approach and you have to be able to understand the residential market. in order to understand the fiscal impact associated with these types of land uses. understanding that aspect of the marketplace. will enable us better understanding of what kind of done cities are necessary to support transit functions. and i just transit but all types of infrastructure. the type of, you know, water mains that might be needed. utility lines, et cetera. it's all it's all part of urban service that that we have to talk about urban planning and then also, you know, once you've been able to determine that. what is the need in the marketplace. what is the need to support that need. then you can come back and start filling in and understand what kind of diversity of land uses are necessary on single-family to kind of balanced approach. fiscally balanced approach for creating thriving communities. next good for

questions. i just i just want to look up the definition of apartment in the cities. they think people apartments up. they're done here. we don't consider the people on that music just going to be ready to go so can be like a condo. the harvard report death. does that show that it's all rental or is it a combination of ownership as well. like a condom.

that got the harbor report looked remember this. it was a it was essentially looking the subject looking at the subject of multifamily across the board. so i was looking condominiums that was looking at apartments did look at townhomes. there were portions of the court. that's that focused on rental specifically. yes. in general. there's i think we all know that there's a distinction between rental. the rental market a market that is seeking to own a home. on a property. so the harvard report was kind of looking at across the board.

so so i gather that you really kind of money in the waters between a rental market and then multifamily market because they are significantly different, as you just stated and the way a debt of using his one source that's taken both of those together. and you really kind of highlighting. i think you put like that. what they really are. ♪

well. in general, people and our code is no exception. our comprehensive plan is not an exception to this either. but. anything greater than a single family detached units. is essentially lumped together in a category known as multifamily. so it could be a single family attached row house or townhouse complex and whatever it might be called although wrap it up all the way to 28 story the apartments condos that are such a building and it's all kind of classified together. in that category of multifamily. so that trying to muddy the waters. the subject is a little difficult to parse and it's it's it's not an isolated matter to pasco. this is something that happens across the country in terms people view things beyond single family detached. i understand it's a difficult subject parsing it is there's a task to be done. there. in. and we have suggested in previous workshops to that. we think that may be better to start looking typology of land uses in terms of how multifamily shows up into the community. so that you don't have something that goes from single family detached straight to apartment buildings. you have the middle range of housing that exists and where do those tent cities. go and how do they look and we've talked about that as a as a as one we may be able to sort of the multifamily not. but that that's for. deeper discussion eventually in the future.

i must say as far as the discussion for the future of the future is not. and if we're going to family, the type of ownership is part of multifamily. i think should be separated because if i want to consider apartments long ridge road compared to miami. are up and down multi-story side, there's a big difference between the 2, but you're going to treat him the same. and i think it's something that, you know, if we if we have a separate article about the way others have whether be the north star. even so miami, maybe we need to go take a look at that as being a separate thing, which we can look at to find out, ok, what fish care. want to go about it. mister chairman. yes.

the problem is that from a land use standpoint and from a planning director standpoint in this presentation. there shouldn't be a distinction about ownership. i have said that to the board on numerous occasions. if you are talking about land use ownership has no business in the conversation.

if i may, mister yes or to to address the future being now. that some options to i'm updating the comprehensive plan during amendments and calibrating the conference of plan is one option to look at the land use itself. the good news on that front is that the conference of plan update has actually come and sing this month. actually tomorrow. wednesday is the kickoff meeting on that. so. there's going to be an effort that's that's going to be under way. landed on a car design and development standards and update to portion of our regulatory environment. tentative to spring of 2022. but the chapter 500 phase 2 is actually beginning soon as phase one is complete and we are nearing completion of phase one where we're anticipating being phase one to the board, probably in the april time frame of this year. so phase 2 will likely begin as soon this one is approved by board of county commissioners. potentially probably may june of this year. in addition, some other options for consideration that is kind of talked about in other parts of the region which we'll get to. there's an eye. there an option of moratorium, but it has to be contingent upon a dedication of a problem in order to make sure it is not arbitrary and discriminatory. it and one might consider it to be the job. if you're a county wide for the purpose of conducting market analysis cetera. and determining the types of multifamily. the needed. and then finally there's also the status quo which would be a project that project review of where multifamily is locating. next line. i just wanted to conclude. and so this last line to give an idea of some of the things that are happening in other parts of our region as well as the country itself. new port has 6 moratorium to ensure compatibility with with a strong game built environment and staff is getting reconstruction senate. so see if you look at land use. it's a flexible to multi family of 4 or more units. by way of example on the side of the country's spokane valley. washington has more for him right now on on few. the with multi family. more closer to home again in clermont, florida. there's a 9 month moratorium on new apartments and and that cases to ensure more workforce housing into an

standards locations. portability with the goal to lift restrictions of multifamily in certain areas from washington. i'm a lot parents. and then of course are taking a look at, you from bonus credits can be included 4 plus housing is is part of their project. and back across the other end of the country in and going in washington. there's a one-year moratorium on outside of multifamily zones and their in this there doing this to review and create changes to the zoning cracked the pattern underdeveloped or sons. with that less tense than the conference of plan intended and then again really close to home again the current conversation that's happening in the city of tampa, which we're currently watching right now and they have not yet come to the conclusion determined whether or not they'll actually do more time what their rationale for that more time would be so kind of think back to the previous slide per second. that that boat rounds out what some of what some options with some. options for consideration there with there could be for the board to look into. completes my presentation. i know that there's other speakers that can i'd like to yield my floor.

okay. we'll come back to you if we ask question or make sure body that the speaker says they have their time. this time. mark mcbride.

the afternoon. here it all right. thank you. i just i was here for 12 years and i've been very involved in our community live in 2 separate subdivisions been involved with various school rezoning issues. very active in large social media group and also on the homeowners association board. i want to talk little bit about these apartments. because there's some misperceptions out there. i think our communities and what we feel about apartments. first of all, we're not anti apartments. we just don't want over saturation of there's been lot of discussion here on what that means. and the number of single family homes and how they, you know, high schools. but i can tell you off the station in commercial space. do not use the schools. in fact, they helped fund the schools and they also help sponsor athletic events. and so when we. should these things the way we are creating an increased demand on our school district and i know it brought up that one of the last meetings you know, some of these apartments is only gonna put the school at a 110% capacity or 101% capacity. we have portable were kids. you know, i'm a and my son was in horrible for 3 years and it's its world country classrooms. we can do better than that. if i realize the school district had no choice at the time, but we don't want back. 2 are kids thinking in portable and so we're at a 101% capacity now and what happens when you have the it's already zoned for apartments and they decide to build those apartments. this is going to creep up so fast.

and then you're going to have the other developers say, hey, i want this change to let them change. i want to see if you don't me to change. and this is where the notice that re slow. you this perception out there that we all live in $500,000 homes. and that's simply not the case. at least in the greater chapel area. you know, being involved with the school i received a lot of data and i just looked at some data. 26.6% of the students that wire grass ranch high school, a free or reduced lunches. john wong middle school are on free or reduced lunches. so this isn't a statement about economics. this is a statement that we're all privileged people that want to allow people to infiltrate our community. that's wrong. we respect the diversity we respect the communities that we have. we're just concerned you are changing footprint of our community. it's this is going have great consequences for generations to come. first was married 27 years ago. i lived in the community that maybe it's the same mistake we're about to make here. they allow rezoning apartments. they go apartments. it was great. things are great for the first decade. then all of a sudden people decided to move on to the latest and greatest these luxury apartments became capital star people. they did every invest. the regular apartments had to cut the rates so low that they became not up for drug activity and it became such a strain on the city that the city spent millions of dollars buying apartment complexes to them to office commercial use. we're making a mistake. it's going to last a lifetime and. we have to be very cautious again with kelly and his don't for apartments in some of these requests. it's literally just over a 1000 feet away. and yet we're going to change a full rack for something instead of say go by parcel already zoned for apartments and that's really what we're concerned about. you know, pasco county's open space is vibrant places eventually the space is going to run out and are we going to be left with a vibrant community. that is the question. and so i just we ask that you take a hard look at this because the consequences are irreversible. and you know, when you look at what the with the trend is in other cities. they're putting moratoriums on this in here.

we're just we'll take it. remember the main goal is to make money. and that is what they're doing is they're certainly not doing this because they want a better rich in our community. we're the ones that are left here, living it and you know, i can tell you with working in the school rezoning cases. whenever rezoning cases come up. people blame the county commissioners every single time they keep up rookie knees. i think where people are going to get very fed up and they're going to start taking it out on the ballot box because want our communities to be vibrant place is absolutely. we want them to be socioeconomically i don't think that's the question here. what we're doing is creating an imbalance. it's all i have thank you for your time.

asked question one question. i first thought thanks for taking the time to speak to us. but how long have you lived in pasco county, 12 years. and you know, i was on the school board before was on the county commission. and i can tell you that when you move to one of the fastest growing counties in america. the school system. it's going to be and the transportation system also vote last to catch up because we don't build new schools until they can pretty much opened fall so that's part of the as for paying for living in a a fast growing community that everyone wants to move also, i just just some of, you know, probably 26% free reduced lunch is probably the lowest number in the whole county. i'm waiting to get. numbers on that. but that that's a really no number to have on free and reduced i think.

talking about free and reduced lunch them. and i'm gonna say the majority of the schools on the west side of the county are title. one schools which means 50% or more all these children are on free and reduced so no that.

mister thank you. thank you. over here. i think we got next speaker brought to maybe others speak of along

thank you, mister chairman on this is joel again. can everyone hear me. thank are high. and i represent a number of your property owners who are taxpaying citizens and also some multifamily developers who obviously are stakeholders based upon the discussion and the commission hearing. when you schedule this workshop we thought it would be appropriate to ask our industry clients to pay the cost of retaining an independent. find market consultant. to try to come with actual and analysis rather than speculation and conjecture to better information. in all fairness for you. commissioners to make a fully informed decision as to where you think the policy of your county best should be directed. so they've done that and they retained leslie deutch, who was with john burns real estate national analysts from they have been used by pasco county previously as the county's own consultants. so we assert that they have credit that will be expert. he's in the business. i'm going to turn this over the last line to make a presentation that she is prepared and provided to your staff and she's going to go through that. i do ask respectfully if you would, please allow her to actually delivering complete your presentation, though. there's continuity and logic and flow and then she will be more than happy to backtrack answer any questions respond to any challenger argument or just different the calls she's qualified. and that's what she does. but please allow her to go through that if you would be kind enough to do that one. she concluded i'm going to make a few brief concluding remarks. only half of the stakeholders because i think mark from her discussions so far has raised. i think serious questions that we need least need to highlight what what is going on and what the real policy in the real concerns or so with that, i'll turn it over to miss deutsch. leslie bureau lineup. please introduce yourself and not present. okay. thank you

i just want to ask about my slides. they can go up on the order. july. thank you so okay. and a thinks it will hear john burns real estate we are recognize will stay consulting firm. we have about offices around the country. i manage all of the projects in the east coast. and i also write our apartment report all of our apartment forecast. so i had to get this role for about 15 years. now. i spend my goal, on florida just so up and down the southeast in the clients are a range of builders and developers in landowners. really that are looking to build appropriate product at the right so i have worked with many, many builders in pasco county and working apartment developers have worked with some landowners in pasco. i walked grow from for the last decade out to a very light on to a very vibrant, very vibrant area. so i was asking and i just i want to reiterate that we are very independent from. we are we are not brokers. we go right on behalf of anyone we take all the this analysis and and numbers and put it together and come up with our own conclusions. very rarely do will be change them for for any builder developer. etcetera. so here today. what i what i was asked to do was to take a look at pasco county. look at the bros. look at demographics to look at the apartment market and then to do what we do best is is really hone in on the demographics to understand what the future demand is going to be for apartment rentals in pasco county. i will step back and say that we them honor for on staff full time it by market and by age and by income, it demographic growth and that's what we use here. for relief or every county across the country. this is the report. i think that was presented to you. i have. first it is. look at the location of pasco county. it is a very good apartment location given its access nearly all of it has good school. so want to live in good schools as well as homeowners. continues to grow order to continue to grow and see that growth. you need all types of housing for sale and for rent. i doubt that was the demographics of pasco county. i think it's one of the most interesting counties in the state of florida is very, very wide mix of older residents and younger residents and that mix really demands a wide

variety of housing. if you want continue that growth. looked into the apartment market and i will the page that that was pointed out. it is only projects that were built since 2010. so he took a look at what it looked a new york apartment and how they were performing. and to be perfectly honest, there are almost fully occupied. nearly all of that. their high occupancy rates. that's one indication that you really do have a lot of but i love the current conditions. what we did was we look at the future conditions. so we have a rental demand model. we use it across the really use it we every where i want it take stock of everybody living in a county today and then or 5 years and it does so by looking at their incomes and also looking at their ages. so then you can see what's really what we did with say. all right. well, how many people based on a $50,000 income. it is about your meeting county translates to $1300 a month, which is a class, a apartment rest. so how many people are there today and how fast will that row over the next 5 years to give you a i think more units. you're going to need to really you want to continue to grow and to support all the industries that are they're planning other companies. they're moving and the new industries that you want to so the next page, so i'm going to start with the location. so i did for us the next slide. please. pasco county from a demographic. the pasco county to the tampa and as a whole. so say includes pasco, hernando pinellas and hillsborough counties. the only interesting is county has the 3rd largest county after hillsborough pinellas. but demographics are obviously it population grown faster. this chart. you can really see that. the median age in pasco county is 46 versus tampa, 43. that's if you also have a slightly larger household size. and if you have family that's going to grow in number of families. what's really interesting if you need household income has really risen prove to about the tampa and average about 55,000. i think net worth is also a little higher. because of retirees in some don't income numbers, but they cut their their network comes with those numbers. you see that there. has actually a smaller percentage of rent your house off me. when are occupied

housing units. and that's really because of the lack of of supply power to do but of the below the relative to the tampa bay. page, please. lives and then you go through are really just an existing look at the and the location of past, though. so i highlighted 75 in some post on there. and what it's showing is every dot on that map accounts for jobs. so you can see the now it does not. it does not indicate whether it's a higher paying job or lower paid out. that does represent i'm sorry, not jobs employees. i apologize 10 employees we don't do that. the businesses. because it, you know, one business could have 200 people. so these are the number of employees. so you can see the concentrations here along the highways and along the access routes. i think that's really important that's that's where you need that that extra housing. but i just thought this was a good overview did to understand where the jobs are in pasco county are growing much faster in the wesley chapel and the lakes area. new port richey. they had the jobs centers there for quite some hills. you can see that the concentration over there on mostly on that. the more service-oriented jobs. but there are a number of jobs there. the next page, please. have. this is the same chart. 1 dot is 20 people. but it shows the population density and really what what is highlighting here is that people tend to be living around. if there are a lot of people in the established areas, a but it's a growing number in the wesley chapel land for hills. weather is availability. of housing. and really where people want to live so you can really see that concentration. and that's where a lot of the apartments on tend to be located in tend to want to locate where the people are ready today. to keep going. least next chart. the next searches in median household income. so this really depends a lot of the higher and you can see in wesley chapel even further north on 75. so this gives you a sense of where higher income levels are located. the next life go through some of the second dose come back. the median age is isn't so interesting to me. it really lends have those diversification of ages. is that that the lighter, the darker, the blue, the older, the median age of the resident

is so you can really get a sense that there is a mix across alaska. and it's really another reason to show. they need for for wide variety of housing next slide. please. this is a similar site. it shows the average household size. so you can see them are families. and in the darker purple areas. and the retirees along the coast, more lighter purple areas. but really. if the family is what we're seeing. a lot of the apartment is, is that families are using them as a stepping stone to eventually live in pasco county and that's a really important thing because people like to try out of place before they can set aside to the purchase a home so the apartments are really been has have dual purposes for people that are choosing to rent but also people that are about buy a home or considering it. the next slide. please. this is the next one right. if sections up this chart didn't come up. but this is the highlight of the apartments that have been delivered since 2000, 10 to be their only the newer apartments in pasco county and the reason i did this is just to understand over supplied on the newer. more expensive apartments. if you well. so we took all of these different apartments and then on the next flight. and it's actually been about 6,000 of them delivered since 2000, 10. the next slide shows to some highlights and some of that the class a product that has been delivered. but on the next slide, what you can see is i hope all of those 6,000 units look up the occupancy rates of each and every one of them and dark blue line here shows you that pasco counties class. a market has a 96.2% occupancy rate and most apartment off of developers will tell you owners and sorry. we'll tell you that about 95% is full occupancy. you're going to have to always have a few units that are turning over so pass those counties class. a market has a higher occupancy rate in tampa class, a market as a whole. so i compared it to the projects built since 2010 in tampa, they're really showing you the strong demand for our class. a in pasco well, despite all the new supply that took the market on the next slide. we do the same comparison that show a few and this is really just you can see the rising rents in pasco county. that's the blue line on the bottom but pass this still remains

relatively affordable to tampa, which is also reason that a lot a lot of people young professionals and even retirees are moving to the area to their the apartment and just as well done, just as nice they happened to be a little bit less expensive. okay, let's keep going and going move into the and the next slide highlights or demand model i this is this is one of my favorite propped favorite types of demand to look at what you can see here is in 2020 if you follow my half the total number of renter households today in pasco county is 59,547 people that are renting some type unit in pasco. we expect that to grow to about 67 68,000, you know, rounded by 2025. if you're in that growth, if you're following across is a total of 8400, a household, annual growth of about 1700 and just around here that then what we do is we divide the entire population of renters by income level. so what. that's telling me is those with incomes above 50,000. i'm putting that 59,000 number less than half almost and really only about 23,000 people can afford that he so so now i'm really focusing on. do we need more class, a properties because do we need people do have people that can afford that. we've got 23,000 people that can afford it and we expect that number to grow by about 5380. so over the next 5 years. so to the big you really need another 5380 units to satisfy what could be the growth in demand. and i will. candy at this model with a number of things. this model looks at incomes. i mentioned earlier that retirees don't have an income. so it is undercounting. the number of that were dressed. they have a higher net worth in my own a house and it might have savings that no one pounds. this model is conservative and its numbers. it also doesn't reflect anyone that might downsize from the home rental me. this is just population growth is all in looking at. so i just want to reiterate this is a conservative number. so we expect about a 1000 people each year to to want to have a class, a apartment a few well, as defined by tune in in pasco county. this gives you a sense of that of the future demand. so i do want to just reiterate that it's about 5380 units that would be needed to satisfy just the population growth over the next 5 years. and that's where

we came to in terms of what's needed pasco county. if you if you go to the next slide or 2. i thought and this is come up in the conversations. i've been listening to the conversations. i thought it was important to take a step back to talk about renters because the rector population and we do a lot of demographic research has changed dramatically in the u.s. over the last decade really. and i put this on here because we trademark the term called certain and serve and describes pasco county to a tee. in fact, you'll i took this and ran with it a couple years ago and put it in their emerging report but servant is not urban area and not a pure suburban sprawl area. it's an area where a lot of people. one movie say they don't want to live in the expense of urban markets that they want to live in the suburbs that have a little bit of a feel hurting. they can either. and i highlighted some things on this graph. you have slightly better schools. you have lower crime in urban areas. you've got some kind of walk ability. you've got some restaurants at lower that lower price and urban area and public transportation which harder to find in florida. i must admit that we're all working on it. so this is the servant areas are the hot spots across the country and then i did. it is national presentations we need to areas like in and uptown south and in charlotte. these are the markets that people are moving to and they're not only are is that they're moving a lot of them want to rest. so these rents get higher get higher premiums if they're walkable, but it's a little harder. but this is an argument this destiny suburban markets because this is really trend of the future. and what we've seen is really that growth prospect of where people are moving next slide. please. we did a survey across the country and ask people where they would like to live. i think this is really interesting. it's just color-coded by age and the age is on the bottom. you would expect the young people to wa to live in the servant vivironments that really and that is true, ghght. these are people less than 30 years old. 52 1% of them chose servant. but enen look at the other d d of the sperurum in this defies pasccocounty to it see, it got thyoyoung as low athe older and the oldealsowa

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i thought that was an excellent presentation. spent. a good part of the day the other day listening to the u alike trends conference that often one else that yeah. and so mr balls. you and i both heard the presentation on. apartments and the and exactly what this this young lady is saying. i want to stress that walk ability part of what you're saying. and i also just got another report. remember who was from about how important that is and commercial development as well. people want to have a sense of place and they want to be able to get out and walk about i just agree with everything you're saying here i think we're going to see demand for a while and that i just hope to send some of it over to the 19 corridor and get going on our side because, you know, we don't have we haven't received one new restaurant like west chapel area has and my guess is about what they're telling me is we have the density over there and trinity like to have over here. so there is, you know.

you want to have them all. you want to have the highway close by. you want to have the community college close you want hospital for a you gonna have density close by. i think that's just classic. i would guess that.

but who's going talk about class. a apartment says that the only kind of primal that's built pretty much that it's kind of curious about that.

no, no. the rate. i focus on classic new york talking about new construction coming but the occupancy rates in haskell are are very hot. so really across the board because there's a whole other argument i could do here for well, for double housing, right.

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if there is there, this was just very, very focused on new construction right on it. and new construction is but there also is it is a need for more affordable housing as well. i would i would argue that a lot of the older apartments are. like you are mentioning there almost overcrowded because people are looking for affordability as well. he can do that. the same demand model. we're only focused on the $1300 a but i can do 1300 below and they're still even more on that side. so i there. there's there's lot of growth in pasco has to be it unless it's going to stop unless you want to stop. you need to have housing to the hot with all that growth will help the growth.

i'd love to talk to some time doing something like this on the workforce housing side. thank you very much. and i'm glad that the at rick, thank you, mister chairman.

for the expected growth rate that you had went over at this point. we're not going to be army demean means of the pastor residents pertaining to the numbers that you're actually providing now, i don't know if you have accessibility because i know earlier we were talking about the number of children that are living in apartments and just seems that the apartments have less cans. then the other apartments of the 19,000 department that we have on the west side of the county because a lot of them have turned to that affordable housing.

yeah, that is a lot of the newer projects don't have as many 3 bedroom i don't i honestly don't know if that's that's so or choice of the developers. 3rd, yeah. so intends is you're right. the older projects tend to have larger units and more bedrooms. so but they also tend to be looking for more space and more space cost more money. so you're right, it there's other options for for multifamily housing, for rentals, for so that's a that's another conversation as well. but the classic kind of we are forced. ari mid rise typical apartment usually has a smaller side view and it's really did bring the rental rate down so i think that's why you don't see as many families. it's just a space issue. more than anything.

and you have any suggestions to help creep plan for 20 to 30 years from now for when these apartments do turn into affordable housing because that's what it seems like has happened on the west side of the county. yes, i don't i don't see that as yes, that that has happened in some areas, i think because a lot of these new apartments are on these major corridors that go down tampa. they're going to la. they're going not necessarily turn into affordable housing. i don't i don't see that quite is happening. the access from from the east. the west side story on the east coast. the access on the west side is a little bit harder and a lot of the giants all centers in the big commuting patterns really follow some clothes and 75. so i really do think that they're going to be a very long-term trend. the other thing i will say is is i talk a little bit about the demographics in the changing demographics 20 years ago. you rent it because you had to rent and your cut out there wasn't perception issue with the renters now renter by choice. and it's become much more popular choice by a lot of young and older and everyone in between. so i'm not sure that same trend of kind of falling into disrepair is going to happen again. the demand for apartments has really risen over the last year, the last couple years really due to the changing i don't know if it's going to i don't i wouldn't say it's going to fall that same track.

thank you, mister chair.

i will question since you mentioned, you know, a lot of studies in know this area. well, do you know westshore boulevard very well. yes.

so back in the you're probably aware that really built up west shore with apartment complexes. mostly on. i'm going to say that the what the southside of gandy from. not correct. alright, south side again, a lot and then you had it in the north side as well. you know, you have like the cove apartments and such. so they started building the mother coming up left and right. i know that because the first time i move to tampa. i lived in herrin point. i was 24 years old or whatever working working in tampa. and that's right. lift. and then when i saw happen throughout the years quite a few of them. good to go downhill or georgetown apartments, which was right on the bag. right on the bay that site is still there. it's it's a dilapidated site. you know, got overrun by the bright shiny and new they couldn't keep up with the joneses per se. they couldn't handle the amount of influx of apartments along west shore. and they deteriorated in it. it took a long time. they stopped raining because they were unable to keep up with those apartments anymore. you know, they they couldn't maintain them anymore because they were getting the amount of renters there to maintain the apartments eventually many years later, they actually demote it, but it's still not clear to not clean and clear it up. and that's been what, 15 years toward the least as they've done that. you know what, that is a possibility because i've seen that's a perfect example of it happening because they were packed on top of each other and they still are.

yeah. but i would also argue since the 1990's westshore has become sort of the main it took all the office demand from downtown tampa became her. the make the largest office center of all of that. lot of that reasoning was because there was housing for people right there.

so i keep up. thank for the office. they didn't keep up so yes, there was demand. but what there isn't over saturation with apartments in the other ones cannot keep up. that's why we're seeing what we see there today.

yes, that is a different world to me. there is an entire investment class now that are buying value act properties including tons of money into it and bringing them up to up to code and bringing them up to demand. so

those what those were so you know, here in points in the other ones are perfect examples of class. apartment complexes. very beautiful pool resource. i pool in indoor racquetball air can disrupt more course the gyms. so my point is yes, those are very nice. we're not talking about and again, i don't want to get off subject here. going to talk about. so i look at my notes. ♪ don't want to talk. you know, about incoming classes and things like that. that's not the last thing we need. i think we should even get in to have a conversation about the fact was is there was a a supply and demand issue. the supply. took over the demand. some of them peril. and what we don't want to happen is this something, you know, became apparel and we do not want that to happen in this area and that their lives, my fear and that lies the fear of many people in the community. we're going to see that same trend happen.

i see coming from. i would that that trend also happens on the for sale sign. it. you know, west side on the for sale on the housing side.

houses were torn so that's the thing that our subject matter is apartments right now and that we're talking about the apartments being built in the amount bill. so what we're not going to talk about houses will bring that up another time. okay.

you want to say something.

i'm seeing more and more will starkey's some something that you said was very interesting to me as well. and you said

some of that the that these very attractive young skilled workers, educated workers which i think it's one of that selling points for us. that helps us attract businesses here. and i think that's something else that was said on the hugh l i.

trends conference with the national experts that businesses. the 2 things that. 2 important things that people are looking for someone quality of life when the business is moving because they can move anywhere is a colleague by fuel and the and availability of skilled workforce. which is one of the reasons why spend so much time in workforce training. but to have these concentrations of of of workers is a benefit for us. when we try and recruit companies here. i do have a question. so. because i can understand where there comes a point when you have too much. and so what is that number? you know, it's you know, we have responsibility to have a balance and so. i don't know if anyone's told me yet what that number is. and what happens if you don't have enough. well. and that rental housing in the community. what's the downside for that?

so i think that's a good question. i try. it's no that did not work. i try to quantify with him now would be 500 to 5,380 units over the next 5 years. i fully committed to model some models can be models. it's probably a slightly conservative number, but i will tell you, i've done a lot of work with landowners who want, you know who won on businesses and won a lot of retail. but you need that to happen. first before come so. so like you mentioned early, you need people before you get the before the people. so have this huge opportunity that you are very attractive there. you're getting new businesses coming in. hiring, you know, seeing the amazon com sina hospital being all these businesses are looking towards pasco. if you're going need the housing and it's not only by the housing but rental housing plays a big role in that because a lot of people on by house just yet. they're more mobile than they used to be. they might want to work in this town for a couple years and then move. but that you know, taxpayers and they still add to the value of the area. but i think it's very important that yes, it's about 5380 is the number it could be a little more could be a little less that's probably a conservative, not her. if you right now you don't quite have enough because you're completely fully occupied and the housing market is is going gangbusters as well. and it's getting very, very expensive. so rental housing does offer an alternative to that. so and we do expect home prices to really rise over the next 5 years. pretty rapidly. double digits which you know, you kind of running out a lot. we've had a great experience with the pandemic with people. well, let's like that. but had a great experience with is you know, rising prices are rising demand and you're going to need more more rental units to accommodate that because you're going to run out of lots and they're going to become more expensive. so i think it's a mix. so what what? i think i've seen in knew we had it. our family had some property here.

and we held on to it and the market. went over us. and to hernando county. and so people would look to hernando county because it's cheaper, and so then we have all the traffic of the hernando commuters coming through pasco county to get to the jobs and health. so i mean, so. so if you don't have the demand a does that mean what people are looking for. a certain price point. they may keep moving. so they find it.

yes. so it's interesting. i heard and it would be sort of the next frontier, but also because hillsborough has been a slow down their development and they run out of a bit of land. i mean, i know we're in but if you look at what's happening in manatee county right now. that's exactly what's happening. is that the growth there is just unbelievable and it's really because the developers and the but people have run out of space in hillsborough. so i you see that right. just south of you. so i would expect the exact same thing happen. or they would the growth would go further south and so i i agree. i yeah, i guess you could go. you can go east as well. but but you're right. that's what happens is that when you kind of run out of that. the table prices and and that the growth does go elsewhere.

so i have some friends both just retired last year. they sold their almost up. well, probably million dollar house and got partners and they are renting houses. now it's slowed down a little bit because of the pandemic. but they rented a house in coast and now. playa del carmen, i think that's the yucatan. i'm not sure that but they've they've rented out there for 3 months now they're back here for 3 and then they go on someone else for 3 for 3. so that's an example you know, an interesting rental user. and plus, i know a lot of people are selling their houses at this high time in the market and renting just so they can go ahead. get out of their house now. so.

it's an interesting at time or fine singers are downsizing from homes after the summit in my dorm or apartment until they decide where they want learn how let are on this great report last i enjoyed listening to it. got gained something from that report. so thanks. from that report. i don't say were overrun i that way. but that question may be because of the traffic in and because our infrastructure lagging behind all the building, the and schools and banks are lagging in by and to know infrastructure, the roads get bailed out. the word has all the traffic. right now. we've got divergent divine and that is wrong. and that traffic. we don't have passed trains coming and the storms right now traffic. so there you were talking it is going relieve some of that traffic has right now and you change eu roadways were in the works right now. show. makes sense for church orchard. think mister chairman. at rick, thank you.

as you like the idea with the serve in. and i think you called

so i was looking is there a specific percentage of apartments that there should be per person per household per community. her of the area.

think the answer to that. i you know, i think the average renter ship rate. well, i can look at tampa. in tampa. it's about 32%. i should rentals rentals 32% of the population in tampa rents. now that number has those 2425%. but that also has to do with. you know, that the amount inventory available. so i think tampa the msa on on average is a good proxy.

i think that the u.s. number is i should know this and i i think it's 36%. i think the homeownership rate 6. so i think it's to say a little bit higher.

it's it's probably a little lower in tampa as it should be because relatively your housing is more affordable. you know it's like. new york city. you have a much higher internship, right. our camera cisco so 25 is relatively low. i would probably, you know, look more towards that 32%. it will vary. i it's a good question. i don't know the exact answer, but i think the camp and the state of the

what say number of apartments that we did have passed a 59,000.

i only looked at sorry that this the renter households. hold on one second. i pull it up. 59,000 renter households. yes. what about apartments? was it about 50,000.

you

give me on market to save just apartments. i can look that up. i don't have that number off the top of my head. it yeah, 200.

so we have more at about 33%. rental. right now. bill ability because if he said there's about 60,000 rentals and we have about 200,000 households in pasco sore at about 33% city. well, some of those my where how you doing that math. 60,000 renters.

now, just 219,259 around. it's a 200,000 to 60,000 over 200,000. i just said about a 3rd.

a 6,018. when you do your.

get those numbers. are you getting those numbers from like the property appraisers who don't have homestead exemptions on them.

no, they're census numbers. so census numbers.

you know that since chance, the first 20 twenty's numbers we're seeing. see how have 2020 years. so we 30% of the

years.

the the these numbers are yes, our eyes is forecasting forward 2019, 20 so eccentric

we don't have mister chairman. let me one more thing so that we need to go everybody else wants a i have a whole presentation as well. so.

you were the things you mentioned earlier was that you said there was a need. there's a need. more apartments because you need people to be here for the jobs. now. i came here in 2014. one of the biggest issues that costly came up and i'm so glad we've been working on it as a board in long dc was how many people continues to be having people leave pasco county, every gate to go to hillsborough county to work. i today. they're still are more people leaving. to work outside of the county. the live in that county. there's so we don't saying that we don't have enough housing for. amount of residents that are employed in pasco county is off about 40.40 to 55%. because that many people leave every day commissioner of the in a statement earlier will go back to it again about wire grass. for example, of the mall of wire grass or needs to be more apartments for those people. there. dan, but that is if you what tell me what's there besides retail right now. at the current the current right now, what's out there all i'm talking about were dressed as development.

right. so what other than my question is what other jobs there at the hospital where you a lot so you've got. you have the hospital, you know, they they play house and for him. i so retail can't afford the apartments are talking about about class, the apartments. so give it 10 to $12 an hour retail job can do it and there's no shortage so good. you came up with people you can't. there's no shortage. of housing because even pre covid. if you are an economic aid to yemen high school and college kids can't find jobs. at the mall. there was no openings. there was no opening. so if we use that as an example. there's not a shortage of apartments for the amount of people that are area. 35 bet you a million dollars. i think you're wrong.

i know i've got a friend restaurant kind of thing. and he sold it. and find a place to live my dress now on.

what's up to about one specific i want to let up on zillow. i can find a whole lot of places to live. to rent right now. the point. the point was there's an there's enough people living in the area when it comes to supplying them. and to me the job. me turn back. so there's trying to find an opening at one of those locations right now. so we should have 30% sure that, you know, of rental homes available and you said we should have.

24 to 20 people. we have about 2425% rentals right now. and we should have we have 30% available of rental properties. now with the best area for an apartment complex.

be recommended near n.

obviously need the infrastructure. but would you where would you want to have an apartment instead of housing. asked. is that have an apartment complex. where would you want housing. i housing. you're asked last yes. was like the so where would an apartment complex over a subdivision. would it just be next to. a new business. obviously want the rogue rays roadways and infrastructure. but would you rather be closer to the new business coming in or where would you recommend an apartment over a subdivision.

because of the density. typically associated with an apartment complex. i think you would recommend it here highways in access to, you know, access to roads. so. now the truth is there is there is argument to have apartments and more suburban areas as well. it just really depends on the product. but generally speaking i would say access to employment to roads public transportation. i roll my eyes. that's always a hard one, especially in florida. but that's what you would want, right. you would want it so people can not have to use or or have more than one car. so just to keep the density issues down. so i there's not perfect spot for apartments. but i would say i would definitely or the access points to the roads and highways and. transportation.

question for me. i know i yeah. so. we have more peace speakers. citizens. are we have people that were in the interest. i think has something i'll probably is saying. we may have some of okay. so question for you when you did yours, you report your study. and this is one of the things that i talk about on a regular basis. nobody here, including myself is against departments. never said that. the problem is is we're oversaturated. and we think issue. myself and many of the constituents in a lot of people in the business committee in this area. which i'm sure will be speak a little louder in the coming months. we have so many current. parcells that have the entitlements to build more. so i asked did you take that consideration because that's the big, big issue. so we think about amount of the total properties in the area to have the time. it's have the zoning to build apartments and why do we continue our issue is we continue to change zoning on parcels when we already have enough inventory to meet the demand that you just stated. and there's a plethora of them. we just talked about virus, for example, white dress planned. and i say that because these master-planned communities just as you stated earlier, planned. well. in there. there. they're the parcels. are there ready to be developed tomorrow. there's a number of like in the back of sevenoaks. for example, there's one right now. that's thomas metal point has multiple properties that have time it's between all for the middle point if you go down 5456 was a number of them, too. so again, i continue with that's my biggest issue. it's not. the amount that is being. bill per se him. it is an issue for me. but when we keep doing this week, we're going to run to that point soon because these guys already have the entitlements. we keep rezoning this land in and then it could become left out in the cold, too. so they work through the process. they did good planning. they planned for the years. it may have been the 80's 92 thousands wherever it is.

but as if this board continues to rezone all these parcels. it's not. then we're losing. so you talk about jobs earlier too. well, guess what? if we keep result of these other properties. there's not anybody places left to have jobs because you're not going to have any parcels land parcels to build on. and then what happens. so question is if look at all the properties that have that have to have the zoning or for the future. when you look at your

no, not that was an artist that i did

i thank you. us others yet to come back o i've been here all that is just off but i didn't hear yes, don't go in the conversation started.

you know, commission bring good place as far as like what we what we need here and you you brought up the point. how many people are in the county leaving to go back to schools now, i don't know if this still our was some of these properties could been industry, could even job creators. we need to focus job creators here as well. coming up. and i think important aspect. if we've got all the zoning and it said we know some middle points. they got a bunch problems that going to be coming up there already zone. i'm really scared that we don't know what our supply could be if everything was going to get built up. if we're going to take very good property that could have been. you know, medical facilities are and we're going to for those apartments because it for a guy with. so property going to watch that. we already got a good out there, but we need to know what that balances. the got shot a long war for these things to get rezone. good point.

i think thing. ok, thank you for your report. very good. we'll go back joins i our fees, have someone else to speak.

mister chairman, thank you i just have a concluding point or not. i don't we're not going to present another speaker. i think miss doyne has really covered the market analysis is she was asked review but our stakeholders mike mike, including car or 6 points. i'm number one mister stein's not are pointed out at the beginning. i don't know where this is headed from the land use regulations standpoint. but. i respectfully submit that any effort by land use regulations to distinguish between rental person's own housing.

is going to

frowned upon under state and federal fair housing laws and discrimination against rental versus owned housing. there's a lot a out there on that. and as a legislative body i'm just not sure it's prudent for you to go down that path. and i don't know how you start regulating from the land. use standpoint. now a property owner uses their multi-family housing for on the many how long to versus a part-time job. i don't think it's legal. i'm not even sure it's good policy. it's certainly not very and it does recognize the name for one force and affordable housing. that's point number one. number as there were some rappers to school issues and crowding, i just want to remind everyone which which obviously, you know.

that school concurrency implies doesn't matter. a single family subdivision, an apartment complex the townhome can cause you apply to everyone in your location with your existing capacity. you're either going to get the approval. the school district or you're not. we all go through that in every plan amendment we go through that in every rezoning and you have to pass muster. so that's really a red herring as to whether real apartments goes an issue with school concurrency. that's among form of housing does not because they're in one house comply. point number 3, the comment from mister mcbride. you know that that that our new motto is open spaces and vibrant places. you actually have to have concentrations of housing density. you have to have close during drought open spaces. if you continue with the proliferation, large and single family housing. you will consume those open spaces and you certainly won't generate a vibrant places that require a walkable. i wasn't traded mixed use development patter. so i so that having an adequate stock of apartment housing is entirely consistent and in fact necessary to promote spaces and viber places in pasco county and the only question about that contact someone at u l i and asked them what they think. it's a necessary ingredient to open spaces and viber places. number 4 is is i agree with commissioner more entirely. we should be looking at supply versus command. so the commission needs to to get comfortable as what supply is in demand obviously should be done with that said this market analysts, it doesn't matter whether. numbers are probably accurate because she has that down for the new class, the apartments built in the last 10 years. if that is not correct, if there are other projects have been no, no. last 10 years. all ended disgrace is that there's been even greater demand than we think. you mean the fact of jordan, more classy apartments over 10 years and yet you still have full occupancy of the help. the question is what happened the past 10 years. the question is with the with the indisputable demographics. the population increase the median income, the rising median income in pasco county. the change in lifestyle desires. are you going to have a demand from this point

forward and leslie has demonstrated pretty good evidence from just in pure rolled out. you have a conservative need for at least 6,000 more class a real apartments over just the next 5 years. therefore, the demand clearly is going to be there. point number 5 is and i hope no one seriously going to consider this. but the option of the moratorium staff suggested will an immediate buzzkill to your potential employers. if you are serious as a county commission to continuing the wonderful actor. you put out there in the projects. you made that connected cities and land angeline and the wire grass and everywhere else in this county to employment generation. you you ask us your economic development council in your own department of economic analysis, whether they think a polish moratoriums this county commission. whether that's going to be a buzzkill to their effort to attract a neutral employers who was leslie indicated are relying upon this workforce housing to support jobs and 6. and finally. i'm concerned that the commission we'll get taking winners and losers in the marketplace that is not what the government is supposed to do it. the government under land-use regulations is supposed to analyze specific proposed use in a specific geographic location on new york's a sinkhole plan policies and determine whether that used is consistent with the comp plan and reasonably compatible with existing surrounding or planned years since you who i commissioned decide that well, there's an apartment approval here and 3 are part of approvals over there and we can improve this location until other 3 get built in those other 3 were the best preferred market location. yes, that develop would have called one of those parcels under contract not to 01:00am in front of you.

these guys are now required to invest about 50 million dollars that's 5 1 million dollars. you one of these luxury class a apartment complex. they would not make that decision. they're looking at numbers every monday morning. not once year or every 2 years like you're saying they're looking at them every monday morning. they're their shareholders, their own pay check in on them making the right decision and taking the right property. and if you're sharing the that well, we can improve too many multifamily sides. going to we're going to kill the marketplace there praying to all. why is the county approved dozens of employment centers under that logic, you would approve only one employment center and a time until that gets completely developing built so no one is competing with employment center. you know, do improve they'll be in any location that senate transportation corner market location. that makes sense. you allow border in the private marketplace. but the those needs to go first. and that's what you do. it so those are just the policy points we would like to make beyond the dad. i think this is very treacherous ground and really in charge in territory for this commission i've i've been doing this for 41 years. i worked my way through heels, broward county and pass pasco for over 20 years. never seen the pasco county commission a policy that tried to control the free marketplace and direct where it was going to make investment. that is to what i understand all of you stand for and what you ran for election for you guys. going to fact it's a free market system and it showed in county commission should not legislate the free market system. that's right.

thank you, joe. all so mister maher.

well, the wait let them go because our conversation now.

back to the we need terry

i don't know because i'm a few things. want to put up right now. go back to statement that something that's never happened actually, this this actually just put a moratorium on storage units not too long ago. so that did happen. that's a fact. so i wanted to bring it to support a few things up again. so i you know, when i talk about them, this is.

it's almost getting old having to say the same things over and over again.

no, no, no, no. it's the most. it was the confidence in government. in this area have the most comments and government by 61%. so they're trusting us to do the right things. interesting us to do the right things moving forward. so this pull a game was taken during the i'm sure more people that were unsure. no opinion would have taken more time to to respond. but again, out of those 400 people this scientific poll. there's people that were homeowners renters. it matter you a voter rolls or anything like to see rain and cause of people in with live within that those zip with a mostly but some went to went starkey's because it's kind of hard go across to the 60's. that's our own that we run this fall. so this is what i showed you 2 meetings ago sure because the camels or more so again, you know, when this poll was done. different for this crew them at apartments in your community. so 38 38.5 to. 2455 and it was the answer part due to the next would you prefer to see more office and commercial development, more apartments being built. so the community feels that what's best for their community. or office and commercial. compared to 49% compared to apartments at 14.7, 4, 5, go to the next you believe more parts to be approved and built in pasco county. 57.0. 75 1% said no. 18.2 5%, 7. but at the demographics of the people answered this. what i said was they were it was too. it did not matter. obviously your what your demographic a random households that were polled summer and the whole county know. i said this was mostly a district 2. some of them went into your district because it's hard when it comes to zip codes. 3, 3, 5, 4, 4, goes from and land couple of those i can tell you exactly because i was just going you remember last the last meeting i told you the zip codes and whenever that. but i can tell you as it comes to get out. seen on the answer. so no, no, 41 know what.

again. district to your air part of your district as well. all the way from 41 up in 2 bills.

i i just popped out of south.

54 what is the maximum? some people in your district were answer this as well. i focused on that area to district 2. so again, showing you what the community feels so you need to know how the community feels this is how they feel. it's a fact. you go next well, 10's of code to get. and remember this from last time in his look only parcels the map of. i'm going back to again. wear them to jordy of these are located right now. you see how many sites there are. we can have if you don't have this will make sure you have those also the same place you go up. i don't structure, although we building here.

all of traffic. that's our hope that we run that i mean, i'm just saying it's your help for why. what is your hope for 44 people, people that's right. out of the versions or where he overpass work hard from a home where the diamond. but same time. going back to look at how many parcels are already and already have the zoning for can go to the next one. want to bring this up again because if you look at the person's survey for the brought up. they don't include a bunch of these for whatever reason. so those are current ones i know are missing couple too because it's. a couple of going up sense. but that's ok, those are current winds in that area might be under the 1300 a month. i so because it was definitely are a lot of this definitely or not. i don't know if any of those are actually under 1300 the month. i don't know if i to go the next one. i want to compare those without mentors. other projects too. charles. the wesley chapel to 28 cypress creek sounds that are 300. pd, which is to 50 to let you know just got building to 48. signs like crazy out there. you know, apartments available. they just one of them. it's been about a year ago. probably. thanks social a possible future. but they remember they said earlier, there's a big need. they think they would be in there right now. there's a big need. hey road which you guys go through today.

fossils s 19. that's in the back of the 7 oaks community that already has. has gone in front of you to already have a time it's the can move for. possible on 56 or terms of the 54 possible age restricted, which was brought up. i met with an app talk about age restriction rick night right north of 54 where wesley chapel boulevard meets bruce b downs as well. so there's a more in those aren't within. again, the big master-planned communities. we talk about that already there that have been very, very thoughtful in the future and staff in the past was very thoughtful and working with them. is back to my is stopped rezoning land until those are buildup. it's just going to stop in until i think what we talked about are certain options that staff was given us, to be honest with you, unless somebody already has and because we never want to take somebodys in time. it's a way, mister to said that earlier i agree wholeheartedly. we somebody has zoning already in place. somebody has entitlements. you should not look at taking that away. no way. i agree. good to go the next level. quick. so that was the national of our own system serving presentation again closes up prevent mobility. rapid growth multifamily housing.

that's what this is. instead. so we talked about moratoriums are.

these just some examples of some areas that i found. that dahmer done soller in the process is a lot more. but i do want to. give you 4 or 5 pages worth examples. but seeing information to students city of tampa just discussed this last thursday, city of tampa. city of claremont. city. the very open park winter springs. here's a sample outside of the state of florida and illinois, massachusetts, tennessee. ohio, alabama forward. texas. special there's an article, a recent article residents are concerned about straining resources. the difficulty back under hurricane other too many apartments and you don't sell to people that they took up last thursday which is coming back to the city council. they did not come to a conclusion. some headlines people concerned about this. all of the nation more time in the apartments. some for city leaders think the city's oversaturated uber rich you play a sport on the part of that there. if you don't trust next, i must give you examples right now. mayfield heights council considers moratorium on all future apartment construction next. i did a 6 month moratorium former chairman outside and a smile with a severe. are close to say boasted 27. well, next. there had other places, the very few going to various. yeah. so related to. they put a positive. they've been going through early areas been going through this for for some time. very similar. wesley chapel. a little smaller. but. consider a suburb next. so the matter. yeah, that's it. you know what i think we need to do personally. have staff actually work and bring back. the parcels. that are currently. so having entitlements for we need to see we have to see those to make a really, really solid decision. 4. yeah. i would never want to take the time away from somebody that they're they're they're they're they have them. but for us to continue to consider on literally every block. every block from 41 coming up bruce b downs if not more to put foot that many. that's insanity.

there's there's a lot planned right up there where your common less a chapel. i mean, from there back to drill

we're talking point when it comes to me personally, i again i said earlier today that new development, we can big master-planned community. that we made some proposals on today. this game was designed well, make sense. walkable walkable. these want some of these we're talking to one today that came up on. he wrote. that's not walkable. you can't walk anywhere. you can't walk you cannot walk. you kids given what the school is like a sidewalk. there's going to be a sidewalk because that school, do you think of along these ones that are stacked up along. wesley chapel blvd. 5654 walk across bruce b downs state road. 56 of wesley chapel blvd. we're going to walk to. another apartment complex.

all hang on because that plan.

to as the squall.

line. i have problem with that.

it also apartments. that's also there's or has any child going to want to go the parked on the north side, they sex.

app that mom or bad drive them. i think figure out a safe way to her statement cross i'm going to agree with you that. i would have a lot of thanks to flip by the industrial. i mean, just real. it's all to and the last there was. live work situation where we had. jobs. and work together. why down we're j bull is and when you went down to see that once that project that jack was referencing. there are a lot of daryl and carol, mean, they get. we've got all kinds of makes us appointment right there and they're very dense. c. what's coming. and i don't know that we've really seen that map. i looked up past the woods, by the way, which is on your list. i think it was an on the other and it's not it is a 100% full. all that thing. and it's you. there's nothing it so demand is

hospital for people that are coming here and going people trying to find place to talking about today. i think i would like to see the total number coming. but i think everything that is telling us we we don't have enough for what's coming and we are we are growing growing fast and that 400 to pasco county today. having people having those 100 are looking for apartment rental living. i could tell me what that number is because i don't do good math on the where they working. i was working. i was asking where the work we have jobs so as we're attracting jobs to you know, i have got a list of the new jobs are coming here. on our we have that we and yet.

yeah, we do. but i'm saying you where those people coming for they're still going to see stacked up every day state road 50 say

we've got our mean, we have sent in there with 875 jobs where they can. want them to live in our county. mister

those people that go to hillsborough, people have to drive those where they could have those one doubt. all question has trying to come up with different solutions ok. so obviously we have about 30% rental availability rate in pasco county, whether their run to right now or not. there's a 30%. of available properties. says right. plenty the problem is we don't have class a apartment is what to what her projection is. now there's entitlements. and there's also different. the land uses that they can build the apartments in multifamily 1, 2, 3,

c 2 and then specific mpd. so if where keep coming across the fact of home. if they're supposed to be commercial property and we want to live work and play and we want more commercial businesses to come then why don't we limit them. apartments or the multi family. holmes to multifamily 1, 2, 3, so then why don't we just change the zoning. undersea to conditional use. take out the multi families. and then that's going to limit some people go to buy their properties are looking for a multi-family 1, 2 or 3 or creating the mp days instead of saying, ok, we're going to come in and changes commercial property. we want to be able to have businesses coming into.

pasco county were leaving the commercial properties alone and allowing them for industries to come in and then they're going to strictly to the multi families. 1, 2, 3, for their multifamily homes.

mister chair. just i think i got your check based what you're saying is. but one where options to change land development code. you're stating that pull multi-family out of the 2 the 2. so you can't come back later for a conditional. use additional right conditional use to make that change. great idea. and i think i think with that. would take us to change to go to the process of change in the building she. i think it for somebody this forward. i just make a motion.

be something would happen. so bring it back. but i think it's a great idea and i think in the meantime, to little bit. we as a board. you know, we're hearing these come up we've heard some that want to change. now to that, you have the ability to say no. really have the ability even without changes land development you have to build ability to say no. in certain circumstances. circled. yes, in certain example, there's there's been a couple. in the past that. you could say no there's some coming up in the future. i know you can't say no to. so those things. i think again, we need to take in consideration. i think your ideas great. and i think it's something we should definitely look that's also asking report when they

we feel even though we feel there's saturation in your area. feel this factor we have a lot coming forward and there's a some or something like 5800 is that 10 more bombers as they have 12 more

and then you're caught up to that law. that's why we we have how many entitlements are already out there come mister chairman you the coming time or out there and see if that means built. i guarantee it will be because i mean, there are out there. that. would, you know, cycle but you a lot of dry tension back what mister to said about. you are called when you do that. sometimes, you know. that things happen. someone's and titled. doesn't mean, first of all, they tell them all that. i'm a star key ranch was a maybe someone here can tell me what it to a certain number of units and never, never built them all. so market. markets seconds dances dictate a lot of what happens here. and i can tell you that. these guys building nays. expensive apartment complexes have to go out and get financing. they're not going to get financing kind of open up around now. rental complex that doesn't get. i mean, so the demand is here because the need is year. because and beauties have entitle months doesn't mean they're building them next year. i've seen it happen where takes 1020, years, 30 years before they actually build out. so, you know, i.

i've him out in the marketplace right now. there's probably 3 or more developers are to find the right property permits on because the man is there building them to come from. hillsborough county is mostly what you're doing. it's

go mister perry. don't need see it is is very key of e.

we are in such a hot housing market, period. no matter what you build, it's going to fill up. we're going look at shows you want single-family houses, which are the best demographic going, which is led to the great success in wesley spread across the board. those people paying the taxes on the way. it's great quality life. a big reason you want to come here. the focus needs to be is so as well as creating jobs, but what type of housing we want. i don't want us to turn it like a seminole county with that of a after apartment after apartment and all of a sudden the demographic shift is not as good a place to be any more. i want ask committed to. i'd rather see us take a little bit slower and have single family than the apartments as far as you know, control the market commission more. you brought up a great number. moratoriums going out. there are discussions are going up there. but what they can control. i'm all about taking a look at that as well. you know, frankly, we suggested that block we love to fight anyone over the wesley chapel blvd look at that. because you can take that nice hospital property and both looked at to apartments. one of departments going there. what am i doing goes against the complete dri setup that was there before and now going against that. if there's an apartment supplied itself there and you can talk it online right now. the departments they'd rather us do all their purpose right there as well. let's go back to what we've got. we did enough of that already before we go flood the market. let's look at let's control the market a little bit where we can say, all right. you got this, this and this go build them over there. that's where the properties are set commissioner fitzpatrick. i think get a great idea with e to par.

but i just a good just go back and commissioner manning on a meeting. just been a really, really, really good you said that if there is such a a lot of people that currently have the retirements of the zoning for it would be moving forward. so why haven't they?

the tech could. that's a great a great 30 1%.

of rental property out there. the problem is the market isn't looking just for those type of rental properties are looking for the forecasted class. a rental properties. they don't want the property that we already have. so we have figure out what we can do with property that we already have. that's sitting there. they can as well, not the

if there's a demand we are. i you could get marci on the phone. and to tell you that we have this wonderful planned about getting homeless people off the and time will tell them rent a home and so we ran into ok, there's no it's not. so. i have people calling me because i know some people that have short term rentals and ask and ask they can see if this person would rent on the house president being a short term rental because you know what's happening is that people that have home, the values so high on them 2 people are home some the thousands in the rental market. this appearing ask any real state come back out with a lot of realtors. supply of housing and pasco off and

the mission of the one down this one down there. now, we will take a picture of the considered and he can for everybody that has 14 signs up today.

years to get to full capacity. so if you think that she's making it up, that there 95% is considered fall.

i know when i did. i last and i told you guys about this when i did my ministry calling as we like to go back school sales and i call 9 of them. 8 of them had a bill utility that day. one of them said i have to was a week or 2 weeks. well, she said that have people now. below 95% means they're us some avail. all i listen. i'm not saying she is right or wrong. i just know she was hired by the apartment developers to give a presentation. ♪

this is a regular items. you can make motions to direct us. yeah. make motion. had and they need direction. and same as we did. we need traction song. you can make your motion. i mean,

would like make a comment on that because what does that mean if we take presidential second rid of the i'm off the family that they were walkable communities but we'll certainly i think the inclusion of multi family as a conditional use.

within the c 2 zoning district achieves them next land. use.

objective that that many communities have. and i think pasco forced me to specifically.

a lot of the mixed use. however, is taking place and communities that i think that's there's a lot projects that have brought forward their make next mix of land uses within the mpd. and much less in a standard you clear the end zone district. that's because his are means owning district. it's not really intended to be mixed exactly right. mean, you could have been you can have the clintons owns that are mixed use zones and act properly including in terms of other i think of the process. but the but the county attorney but exact. but exactly what you just said.

you had properties that had the mixed use. they had commercial mixed in with their multi families. they didn't just coming. have mostly families in that area. they had.

the whole development. the case of see kuz owning, you know, look at the entire city to zoning district. and it's going to have a permit uses that are going to be in that seat was owning district and it's going it's conditional uses that are going to be on that citizen in districts and it's going property property property owner has various entitle months according to clintons for much larger projects like an these a lot of time. there will be a mix of land use is on the same property that ultimately if you don't in 2 separate parcels later on. but it's a bit more integrated community. this is typically what happens when we projects excuse to production measure projects went. developments come in and they propose quite certain quantities single-family certain quantities of quitting his apartments. plus the office. plus the commercial and all happening altogether. additional we happening and starting. so the one thing that i would say in terms of, you know, it. looking at the mix is nature at sea it's something that i've said before we have to take a look at multifamily and what it actually means it's not just apartments and we're not. we're talking about land use. we have to set aside the renter versus on discussion. multi family is everything that single family detached and more so since coming to single family homes that single family attached duplexes tom courtyard apartments garden apartments mid-rise highrise etcetera is all together in what's considered multifamily. if if you're going to look at multifamily really need to parse that out and start to think about, you know, what type of. what types of multifamily exist and what is what is the market potential for its the high pollen g's. and i mentioned in presentation earlier of all understanding the residential market place. and that's pretty much. what you need to do. i as i see it is understand what kind of multifamily is the marketplace looking at those different types of multi. it's not all just apartments, not all rent or even a lot of it's ownership related. but again, putting that aside, it still has no rate that there's it that multifamily is a complex block of land use. we have be careful with in order to make

sure that we can have mixed land uses mixed income communities and places for everybody to live in pasco.

but they could still bills in the multi families. one multifamily to multifamily 3 different zones and then he can still common request zoning change if they really wanted to. but at least this will get them to focus on finding property. that's already zoned for multifamily is instead of coming in and taking over the commercial properties.

yes. yeah. not sure that same tire trying to put the that's an aspect of it. yes.

so in our seem to use that wouldn't be any more walkable. the you can live in the sea too. that would be.

if you were to remove multifamily as a conditional use. you would increase the probability of not being able to live and see 2 zones.

think there's a parcel on 50. i guess it's 54 before was that half of all heart that age restricted community. retail commercial going. next and with that in the yes. so jamie, what's property hassle wildlife corridor. 37 pounds m. so that would that be an example of something we couldn't do where those seniors at 11 there couldn't walk out the door and go to a coffee shop and beauty parlor. is that would that be.

what we're doing here is we're going to the pre excellent i don't think i would we can't do that. but they or drive everywhere, but they could still come in front of the board and request a zoning

right. that's correct. and started turn and is planning a development. so my understanding of mister what this property is that their intent is to come in with a master plan. so have sso's both components. the commercial component and the last we spoke of with them. is that age restricted multifamily component. i haitian hasn't come in. but that was the discussion we were having.

i think we all have to be very careful of to the uaw, why can you give so i we are over retailed. over retail. so that means now that could be a whole lot of commercial. that could be a whole lot commercial building going on. so. we're we're going take people i think we're going to have a serious slowdown. and what we want to see. maybe that's what you all want. you is that what they said.

that we are. much commercial and it's going be the nation's everywhere. i get the racial wrong. but compared to western europe. we have a 100 times more square foot per capita than they do in europe. not a lot of that's because in

norm. all that happened what 60's 70's 80's 90's.

trying to re. imagine us 1941. and i'd like to see some of that seem go away and become multifamily. i mean, that i'm trying to revitalize us and what you can do is

well, the nation have just the apartments in the they should have the whole infrastructure with the commercial, with.

not maybe say you can't come in.

if you have existing to you switch the whole thing to you have to be mixed used it has that you're going kill the that are all need attention. that's very sure commissioner perspective a budget.

commissioner you think the area were having the really the problem that you think more that 41 41 cut off a 52 to say first downs. is that what you're thinking in that area.

from this policy. if you're changing a condition if you're out of the condition. i knew floridians owning it would apply county. not apply just in a particular area.

and i would say 41 needs every do as well. so that's why working but then that's going to come back into them to you does when they come in with the whole community development and like the start, the ranch and angelina they have but has the infrastructure has the schools. it has the parks has everything with in the community.

yeah, there are that many properties like that left. that's why there are a lot of them are looking at manatee going south. to reverse ranch. maybe out. we're commissioner. oakley in. there are still some big properties from bank planned communities. sadly, we don't. i mean, i think those are great for the county. i was more people come in and plant.

communities like dangerous for the reasons i mention on us 90. 41. it needs a facelift and a redo.

there. you know, i know you. mister stites later he doesn't mind possibly jumping bill. but too. no going back to what really brought this about the area where there's a lot of generation. it continues to be, which is that again, that 41. first the downs area, not just the 50's, not just 5456 for toma was to channel boulevard and some of the roads with within their some areas and in with air. personally, mean, it. i think we need to happen know how many entitlements there currently are there. as a board needs to know. we need to know what's available. you know, we really need to do. and that's why i think, you know, in that area from that point to that point. we need to pause. for a while. we need to take a pause. allow these parcells like the situation with came up today in a couple weeks ago to change the potential commercial or office or. one industrial were industrial to go to multifamily until we know exactly what we're dealing until we we're until we actually know. how much capacity we have. it's hard to make agree least good decision to. so we keep allowing these things to move forward on every single block. literally. we're again, bad. it's going to get to worse. i don't know what else need to do to sell it.

you know, it's really not stopping anything. they can always come in front of the board and ask for rezoning. so even if we took out the conditional and needs a conditional use of multifamily homes and the sea to vote. they could come back later on or they can always add it back in 10 years from now.

i think that's very expensive takes a lot of time. i think that if the problem area is home here and you're looking for some kind of solution over here. that's very different than the solution we need for that west pasco so.

well. you still have your multi families 1, 2. and 3 onion pd i'm not ok with it.

doing something county. i like if you can think of some way. what's happening over here. i don't feel i accurate picture yet. i just want to reiterate again just because yet you have the entitlements doesn't mean you're using them. and i seen that over and over and over a strict direct mister they won't tell them if and still request a zone change, right. that's my fear lives is that so many.

impurities and such. you know what i've heard. yes, some are moving forward and in the future.

but right now they're not it's the demand is high, so high that somebody is willing walk up only by that margin tomorrow from home and just sleeping. they're going to take it.

i know it's not the opposite because i go to the property where the time it's i yeah. mister just and don't want help so mister chairman commissioner. 19 focus on and then the commission's track brings up a good point about us 19. we do need the density there. that's a different type of quarter.

i think the quarter in the wesley chapel area that we've blocked out he looked at a little bit closer, maybe need a little little bit more.

i think what happens is when you also need to change a zoning to let development men such as the apartments. it takes the product viability of the ones that are sitting there already that's been his own parts. so by making it easier. it's just easy to go. i just go get a rezoning change top by property over there to go. if we design this how we want to be put to cause. we want to be the developments. we want to be how he wanted than to have to go bring in more new fresh apartments. let's go. let's go. focus on those. and if there's a message out there that we're going to have to go all those first partners go on. it's going be want to go in the first place.

this mister chairman. we're thinking a probably a problem.

well,

i mean, this is very how important it is to our citizens that live there. i will let them all email. you look so they can tell you how i told to hold off on that. but i think they need to open the floodgates, to be honest with you. but. there are so many people in and developments and developers that have done that. think so right. in a very, very successful communities around here. you know, i can go down the road all say like starkey starkey ranch wire wire all these. developments master-planned communities that have done right. that done the things the right way. what's not being done right. it's plopping these places up these multifamily apartment buildings on every corner in that area. that's not good development. that's not being done right. because that does not end up being walkable community. we all talk about. that's not there. but these other developments, half going through the process. they put the time to do it right there. really just going and asking to rezone this pizza man flopping apartment complex and they're gone. the debt gets paid off. and, you 1015, 20 see later. that's not a long-term investment in the community and these developments and things i've talked about. i just talked about our long-term developer. that's to what we talked about earlier this morning at new river is a long term. well played out development for the future medical. it's very well playing now development in the future. you know, those coming for

but quickly within that 5 years are not coming forward. this will take time. it's going to stop things for every point.

michael is just to try to have them start looking out and reaching out to the multi families. 1, 2, 3, 1st. so i would like to motion to direct the staff to begin the process amending the land development code to remove them multi-family as a conditional use for the seat him away.

what she's asking them to bring it back. so she's asking to bring it back. you look at over.

she's that she's made a motion second start the process. yes, i mean that some say number. we'll bring it back to look at, you know, holding on doing anything that

apartments. a lot of them f one.

month. as i said earlier today, it's almost the families. not personal. it's not condos. it's almost wealthy i'm sorry. i haven't memorized. what's the difference between one and 3,

yeah. know amount of homeless. sure. the difference is basically other 2 differences that building height and also the density. so and that's when you've got 12 dwelling units per acre to its 18 and then 3 goes up to 24. have you ever seen apartments at 12 per yes, land use actually limited. then also they were actually unrest. well, so yes, i have seen that. very small complex. today's team. yeah. election is to. we get back. repeat that. the motion was to to direct staff to begin the process of amending the land to conditionally is from i don't if let have a sack. motion. a second. my role the motion that the commissioner put on floor was to direct staff to be in the process of amending the land development code.

to remove multi family as a conditional use in the sea to zoning category.

not to bring it back for discussion to start changing.

you have look to begin public hearings got to bring back. 3 of them.

okay of under discussion. i would say that's workshop to understand. that as we have done a workshop on that. have to vote. during public hearings on the land development code like i'll be opposing it. we have a motion a second. by roll call vote.

going do that district. 2 commissioner more. i district 3 commissioner start the day district 4 commissioner fitzpatrick. i district 5 commissioner i. district chairman oakley. i.

motion passed for why.

mister chairman, that this is again, i don't this is really isn't a i think commissioner starting. was a dream what i was talking about so kind of have a date certain. no, no, no, no. that.

that you you bring back. the amount. they could do it. i think it probably should be county wide, to be honest with you, the county wide. bring back to this board. how many entitlements are for multifamily across the county because we need to and you also need to bring back the history of. wasn't. actually can an unknown. i think i complicated for you have the looms that mean you can switch different things.

during the process after the board was there's several different. well, is there that we're going to work that would be and if you do might change as we might straight

i think they're asking for what we have a impede doesn't have to be you need a lot of them were imputed it's hard to write. it is a matter what it is that mister starts later. whatever may be.

it's either an amputee year. it straight zoning zoning to had to have the imputed. we have the streets on numbers.

we've got going it cmpd said is a dark chapter. again, everyone comeback was the number. so that's not an overnight asked, ok. i know it's a national card. you haven't given left or

that is have more questions i would or directed her to based on this issue we're talking about

i think you need do that. so you have if you don't understand right. sure you have a better so that continue that state. you know, one of the big reasons we do not came here today because of, you know.

what the is probably because i brought it up. i would bill. in the area where you have my oversight really haven't addressed mister. pastor patrick helped out made a to bring that back to us. but. right now we have this ongoing. saga of people bringing coming in for these reasons. we really haven't addressed that. you know, a lot in that area. you know, you talk about vote i don't consider really a moratorium. if you look at a certain section of the county say again, i'm using 41 to.

b downs. unless you already have obviously entitlements or you've come in front or you are what we did elections already in the east. i want to

because people have free up to 5 years unless you've already submitted. that we put a hospital until all this information come back. we can make better decision if it's a smaller area of the what i'm but the same time, what i'm saying is it's not of what we're doing is still allow the people that again that have current entitlement and if day. the application right. because less you want this is the future ordinance. ordinance, staff, not refuse applications. 4.

so in

when it came to the story, moratorium.

but if people are already going the process. you can. you can carve out example, that can still move forward. right. but you still have to do the moratorium if that's what the understand. i understand. but we still again, it's not fair not somebody already has a title meant something they've already started. korea doesn't mean we need to say yes or minor. but that doesn't mean the yesterday could still go through. they start the process go for the plane is coming from this board that from again, from i'd say first that i don't think commissioner starkey wants to see maybe she on the southern portion of 41. but from 41 to 52 all the way up to b downs. before. i like to see it happen.

i don't want to

so i'd say so my most would be from. the order of stopping at 52. doubt to bruce b downs first. you know, it's what market already has car as untitled. you're mess with me but already has

the people that are already have their applications and we're not stopping them from going through the process. you have to say yes, that anytime that you're just yes, they can continue with the province and start start the process.

or purchase say they've already purchased it.

you typically nobody's typically typically what you're seeing come in front of this, david, that no, we haven't made. actually closed on that piece of land until they've gotten their zone ing. mister have tested that that's what you see from the all-time of le closer. wait until they go through the business. not sure whether the market has gotten quite hot if you had to that's a big thing i think really that pressure do it right. make sure i understand the geographic boundaries. so you're saying let me start 41.

the 52 across to come down. 75. 52 all the way. the county let's can we have a map you know, we can put but one of the slides away from it could just go presentation. will make sure we have right before you have a discussion so they'll bring it up in confused at the eastern and southern boundary. i got the west and north. you sure, if you take 41 to the county line or to 54 well, i was looking for week from ♪

it would be paid on slide. 8 of the staff presentation is a good map to use. ♪

so we're good. we're question. i'm so. are people all. crossed. ♪ anderson special. glass and robert grant fathered for what i guess is what i want with the plan.

next slide show at today's board meeting. if i make if you make this policy shift, you can say in the ordinance that you adopt later.

that any applications that were filed on today's day.

or before get to move forward.

or you can wait until the ordinance hearing and say any applications that were filed. up to today's ordinance. but smith versus city of clearwater says that it once there. once the public is on notice that you're changing your policy. you can you can take that day, which i would say would be to today would be a conservative day. that is an unanswered question. commissioner.

we don't have to again. something may come up for this doesn't mean you have to approve it just a application actually has a start a process and you can hear him in the public hearing. oh, boy.

this is a map showing urban service

i would like to do with that. actually we can, you know, my samosas and actually go up road. his sister

it's looking at just your

i am. yeah. part of it all. of course, know not all, not all that district the area where i feel that we have the most in the over saturation. the problem lies in its a portion of that area. think it's important for yeah. okay. 41. the 52 the south side that portion of the road. okay. you know. you're not going do for you. and then come up. beat out outcome of the market on a on the inside. i'm not include i'm not included. 52. it's inside a 52. up to b downs.

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first you take with the jump was trouble of ours included diversity yes.

i

well, can get commissioner starting support. i don't think all south 54. you're probably store that you got. would through. about. there's already this apartment complex. is there another one already bought it. okay. this is 54 north.

about and was already told you i am. like read it. i understand happened.

so i motion that that was, you know, that's part of the motion. so what your motion.

so put it a pause on. any. rezonings. or apartments that would also mister starr's herbicide rezoning. that would also that we need to yeah, a multi family.

that would include you can actually carbon besides us. straight rezonings. there's also. there's other things we would i think we want include in that as well.

it would be rezonings conditional use yeah. you're you said that it's him. it's an and they're entitled. you're not start touching. right. entitled letting carve that out.

just a living facilities are sexually is we are actually separate.

actually separate. because we've actually done rezonings 4, we've actually taken apartments, multi family and rizzo that parcel or change the thing, too. was this calls for how well, until we can until staff can bring back what was requested about how many marshals in that area. so your current entitlements.

because would be specified by your ordinance, which is what the commissioner is directing. the ok.

we said you you've got you've we got the moratorium ordinance that's going to require a hearing before you're planning commission is going to require 2 hearings before your you for this. so i thought he was talking about 7 separate from what you talk about.

we can't do it. if you can't do it today has to go to a public hearing commissioner. i can't we can't just vote on it today, but it can be real threat or active right. yeah.

you bring up something different than we he's talking on police everything. yes, she's got this and that. but but the more dream ordinance that he's asking for has to go through the same a process so they will. so what's the time frame would be. so it to how long it's going to take. you guys to bring home. for us. how long think.

4 months, 5 months, 3 months if i yeah, i would do more time on a day. just going to take at least 1920 days to do the mpd researching. keep in mind that the same time.

the building numbers have double actually tripled in january. you're seeing the same thing in orange park planning so year. we have we have a resource constraint issues. so i i would if you're going to more targeted 400, days with the ability extended 100 a days inn in. i think we can get doesn't faster. but. we're resource constrained. we don't want to slow down the rush the process. it.

doesn't apply the 708 days. but if you able to get that done. before that you can all we have the guards canceled canceled. got to draw a line make sure understand the lines right yeah. i would have said keep it in the of an has pretty much. yeah, but that's included. whole bunch of land where.

i took out 50 to one to b down. some do seem to a lot of that's not an urban service. want my it's 2 to brought from that also vote on that today. we blow it comes to make motion from motion. that's what i have a question.

are you starting it from today or the day of the ordinance or like if someone's been working for the past 2 years. on a project and they're getting ready to submit paperwork.

well.

they've just wasted the past year. it's already shut up.

giving them in here's my answer to you. if you're supportive and you would like it to be in the day of the first public hearing on finals. can you

he's just saying that they that instead of being retroactive today. yeah. you he accept as a friendly amendment it would be the day whatever days. staff gets the ordinance in front of him.

front of you to me today that start of view commission. mariano, you've got you okay with that.

i was ok in before monday change.

i want to split hairs you know, i got 3 of you now that a motion you do that commissioner.

take 3 months to bring the ordinance too know how many as 6 of the war on the moratorium. ordinance is different than research we taking 80 days do the research to do the research that's already so the researchers involved in out.

okay. can we want that because 180 but with that little friendly amendment out it was a 180 days are i want to make sure that my team

it's

going to 180 100. 80 days is the length of the moratorium from the day. of now the amendment of the first public hearing.

well, the first public hearing be weeks how it will be to the southeast got to do the the moratorium. were torn. that's the date. yes. yeah. you want to know how long it takes to the research of them were turned could extend past. yeah. how long it would take to do the research. but getting the moratorium places. your point commission and then to board hearings to do that thing you do with all that so undrafted some probably 90 again, is what you do with the storage and because you knew they had.

you know, you instructed them to go and do the research and bring it back to you. but your hearings came within a month or 2 weeks. okay.

i mean, mister chairman, if preparation for for considering the process to the county attorney's 0.90 days, maybe a little longer than that given the whatever the timelines are lighten things up. to get them to the right but i do want to note that. there's limits to the geographic area that's been defined, but i'm not quite clear about what the problem that needs to be defined in the moratorium. the case in the self storage to is the argument of the. preserving the economic development potential along the corridors. that was clearly identified in that in directive when you it told to bring forward a moratorium on that. so i guess my question would be is what is key problem. the moratorium addresses.

what's the benefit that the providing the

did. we gave you the time to go research. how many current a title means that we have in that area. from recipe and we're going to bring that now showed decision moving forward. so lot urban area when you to start you're sending to right the reaction from. so i think the problem that the the.

you're trying to address is the over saturation of multifamily perceived over saturation multifamily in the area. you have described and whether or not the county needs additional regulations on multifamily here.

so that that doesn't continue going forward in this is the time we're getting staff to go ahead and do that research and bring that due diligence and bring that information back to us. we can make a huge.

logical and sensible. give us further direction. once you have what you know, the information.

so you stated, you think it's going to take 19 days to bring what i just we just talked about that

i was referring to the process itself. last time to bring more in

my experience has been that it's taken about 90 days to start of our land development code amendment to the end of the land development amendment once it's ready.

and so this is us.

relatively simple. i mean, it's mark torre the moratorium. the solution is not yes, i'd like more

all right. about mister more. yeah. like to have the motion stated on the record 3 think it was a record. i hear you saying mister stein sen the much moratorium is for. ♪ moratorium for. i'm sorry, bamba.

they have it on record. the recording right now if you need if you need to put it back in the recording. just need to listen to this trip was listen to what the statements we made the most of it was made.

can you repeat the motion, please. thank you so

with the with the with the amendment. so that may make it simple. we're doing so they can make the motion is to do a moratorium on. rezonings for multifamily apartment. all the family both a family from the corner of you that. the northern corner of us 41 to the southern corner of state road 52 not to include state road. 52 going. east. all the way up to bruce b downs. and also including.

wesley chapel, blvd in all areas in between. that would be.

south of 50. south of 52 and west of 75 the little piece was or yeah. west be down north of 54. it's not the easiest just state that for the record, it's always trying map.

was on the moratorium and the 180 days is and in addition more shouldn't be included in the motion i want to that would be in the final or your i want to make here and decide they can decide how long they want. the ordinance moratorium to be when it gets here.

like the fact.

on the day of the first public hearing would be retroactive today. the first public hearing.

only thing you didn't have in your motion this time that you did the first time was condition. conditional uses.

and the 2. yes. so i'm sorry. say time the 2 conditional use.

you only i finally on the same multifamily homes are conditional. use e 2.

results of multifamily them thank you. okay. well, we've we've got a second.

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