10.06.2020 Board of County Commissioners (BCC) Hybrid Virtual Meeting (Afternoon Session)

okay yeah you know legislation doesn't have to do that sorry one sec the clerk's having me do extra work we're almost there for the people we got it all right good afternoon i'd like to call back to over the pasco county board county commission meeting of october 6 2020 i'd like to remind everybody to please silence all electronic devices and mute your microphones if you're not speaking we will not receive a public hearing agenda i did have an item that one of the commissioners did want to bring up before we went on as kind of a emergency walk-on um commissioner starkey i'm here mike when i bring that item up i do um so i read recently in the paper about port richie's uh okay shifting i don't think she's on all right okay so we will continue on with public hearings um there are no ordinances on the agenda today so we'll proceed with the public the procedures for rezoning mr steinsteiner please review the procedures for rezonings commissioner moore she was speaking we could hear her on this side you could not hear her on that side resounding agenda's regular consent staff will present each application to the board of county commissioners if staff for planning commission has recommended approval and there's no opposition to the application the application will be considered by the board without further presentation if staff or planning commission has recommended denial or if there is opposition to the application the applicant will be given five minutes for presentation opposition will be given three minutes for each individual or five minutes for a group representative and the application for rebuttal any individual disagreeing with staff with staff for planning commission recommendation or anyone to object to wishing to object to any condition of the re-zoning may at this time request the petition be pulled from the consent agenda in which case that application will be heard under the regular agenda later on during meeting otherwise all resounding applications on the consent agenda will be approved by a single motion and vote if you wish to speak to any petition please give your name and address and whether or not you've been sworn for the record these are quasi-judicial public hearings the law in florida is the mere public support or opposition of an application is insufficient for this board to take action please limit your comments to those criteria found within the board's land development code thank you mr steinstein we have four public hearings in the consent agenda these items be approved with one vote

without a presentation unless there is someone here in objection and those that are pre-registered or or at the public comment kiosk to speak to any of the items on the public hearing agenda prior to speaking will be sworn in by the clerk we'll do that in one second um give me one sec here and actually let's go ahead madam clerk um let's go ahead and swear anybody in that plans on speaking to the board today yes and uh mr chairman i just want to let you know that uh catherine starkey has connected okay that is correct mr starkey are you online it's like we're having problems okay that's okay okay go ahead and move on no i i am here okay okay we're gonna have to come back to the other item then here all right go ahead okay please just hit mute commissioner hit mute please we can't hear you okay okay so um if you're here to speak on the items for public hearing please raise your right hand do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth so help you god again i'm gonna assume everybody said yes to that so madam clerk do we have proof of item p1 yes item p1 was published in the tampa bay times on august 26 2020. miss hernandez mr chair commissioners denise hernandez planning a development item t1 is pd27497 a zoning amendment for martin f and donna l albach for a change in zoning from ar agricultural residential to rmh mobile home district comes here with a recommendation uh to continue it to the to the october 20th vcc meeting at 1 30 in newport richie let me take a motion second second i guess we do have to take public comment though even though it's continuance no if it was advertised for a time so it was advertised are both were both these items advertise continuously because it was on the agenda let's continue the planning commission okay good all right i have a motion i have a second all in favor thank you you've got a commissioner on virtual so you need to take it off oh yes we do thank you for that we do have a commissioner that's on virtual right now so we're going to do roll call man because i have a motion by commissioner miranda second by commissioner oakley madam clerk please call the roll district one commissioner oakley aye district three commissioner starkey aye district four commissioner wells district five commissioner mariano aye district two chairman morgan motion passes four zero thank you i know pt do we approve madam clerk yes item p2 was published in the tampa bay times on september 9th 2020.

edd20 cu32 conditional use melvin and martha stutzman to allow the operation of a yard debris disposal facility in an ac agricultural district request for continuance to october 20th 2020 bcc meeting at 1 30 in newport richie move to continue time certainly thank you a motion continued by commissioner mariana second by commissioner oakley mountain clerk please call the roll district one commissioner oakley aye district three commissioner starkey aye district four commissioner wells district five commissioner mariano aye district two chairman warren time was past four zero thank you i'm p3 through p6 out on the consented gender mountain we have proof of each of those items yes item p3 was published in the tampa bay times on august 26 2020 item p4 was published in the tampa bay times on august 19th 2020 along with affidavits of certified mailings item p5 was published in the tampa bay times august 12 2020 and item p6 was published in the tampa bay times on august 26 2020. thank you mr hernandez a3spd2748 it's a zoning amendment for suncoast retail gun highway and state route 54 mpud master plan unit development huntley properties llc this is a rezoning from an mpd master plan unit development district that is expired to a master plan unit development district to allow a maximum of 150 000 square feet of commercial retail on approximately 38.62 acres comes here with a recommendation of approval with conditions as included in your agenda packet from both the planning and development department and the planning commission anybody can sign up webex at the kiosk or any emails of objection this item um commissioner moore can you hear me yes ma'am chairman moore yes i did want to make a comment on this this is the flea market on the corner of gun in 54. and um well i understand um this is what maybe where the market is i just want to say i i've talked to a number of people where what they're proposing are a couple of fast food restaurants and a mini storage and i had met with staff a year ago to talk about putting light industrial over this whole area so that we could um get you know really good jobs in there and i i'm just disappointed that we didn't haven't been able to move forward with that and what we're getting are really you know fast food jobs and no jobs from a mini store so i i really want staff to work on that industrial overlay for the gun highway odessa area do a better job of getting jobs

into the county that's all okay so do you not what you did not want this item pulled for further discussion you want to leave on consent uh if i may vote this is not the flea market parcel this is actually on the southeast corner of the intersection of gun in 54. it's not nearly marketed in the southwest corner we have not yet okay we have had conversations with people from that area but we have not yet received any applications for that parcel okay i'm sorry that was my mistake just leave it no it's upset okay so let me um go ahead back to the clerk real quick again madam clerk do we have anybody sign up via webex do we have anybody at the kiosk or any emails in the objection of this item so no one is no one is signed up via webex no one submitted emails for item p2 thank you man leave on consent and um i believe no one is at the kiosk either there is nobody at the kiosk thank you tracy p4 pd20 cu36 for land excavation operating permit and conditional use for cypher cypress preserve 841 llc is for an operating permit and conditional use permit for land excavation in a master plan unit development district comes to you with a recommendation of approval with conditions as included in your agenda packet from both the planning and development department and the planning commission anybody at the kiosk um on webex or any emails and objections so first i'd like to correct my last statement i said p2 i meant item p3 for no one was um webex or via email and the same is true for item p4 there's no one signed up for webex or email submitted for p4 you'll be at the kiosk there is nobody at the kiosk okay thank you peace uh leave on consent p5 p5 is pw21001 abby drive paving assessment number 3414 in the amount of 110 311 and the recommendation is for you to approve thank you anybody um on webex any emails or is there anybody at the kiosk in objection to this item no one on webex no email submitted for p5 and there is nobody at the kiosk great leave on consent p6 pw21002 julia lane paving assessment number three three nine nine in the amount of eighty one thousand thirty nine recommendations approval anybody on the and uh what is it webex email or the kiosk that objects to this item no one in webex or emails submitted kiosk there is nobody at the kiosk excellent thank you we'll leave on consent i'll entertain a motion we'll fill the consent agenda a motion by commissioner mariana seconded by commissioner oakley madam clerk please call the role district one commissioner oakley aye district three commissioner starkey

let me go on keep going district four commissioner wells district five commissioner mariano aye district two chairman morgan hi motion passes three zero thank you thank you then we'll proceed with the remainder of the regular public hearing items each and i'll be presented by staff and the applicant and then i will call for public comment by the subject piece scale comprehensive plant amendment c pal 2006 i-75 blame provided for large-scale comprehensive amendment to the future land use maps maps 215 sheet 7 chase from ec employment center in ag agriculture to light in industrial light in commercial and approximately ninety point nine eight point nine acres a real property located north east corner of clayton and 75 interchange extending normally on i-75 hernando kenny line item p7 was published in the tampa bay times on august 23 2020 erica william planning and development oh good afternoon at mp7 pd20781 is the proposed large-scale comprehensive plan and unplanned amendment in the name of cpel 2006 i-75 plans in on september 3rd the planning commission acting as a local planning agency unanimously recommended approval and found a conference appointment consistent with the conference your proposal is to amend the future land use map 2-15 sheet 7 from east employment center and aeg agricultural to industrial light and calm commercial the subject properties located on the northeast corner i-75 interest interchange extend northerly along i-75 to the hernando county line the approximate acreage is 90.09 acres so do me a favor uh we have somebody i don't know who's online right now which is fine if we can mute them possibly we're getting feedback and then we'll call and you cannot meet him sorry go ahead please the proposed large larger comprehensive plan amendment is consistent with the following policies policy flu 1.47 limits on the industrial uses adjacent to residential areas and policy flew 8.1.5 the north market area the proposed comprehensive plan amendment will go to industrial light which will get rid of the noxious uses that would usually be allowed in the ilih industrial future land use because the subject property does hug along a like a residential area but it's an ag area and the north market area there is an area that we do see commercial nodes in and that we want to see commercial development especially uh jobs there

next slide please as you can see the subject property hugs along the i-75 interchange it is north of blanton road right away and it's just south of hernando county line and we have been in contact with hernando county planning and development and they do support the comprehensive plan amendment to il and kong and also previously the original future land use along that side part of it was an mu mixed-use land use and then it went to ease the employment center and now it's going to common isle next slide please here you can see the existing zoning districts of ac agricultural ar agricultural residential nc2 general commercial excited please thank you and here you can see that light gray color as that proposed il flew and into the south that teal blue color being that commercial rig right down that hugs that corner right near blanton i-75 excited please and and with that we are you want to authorize transmittal to the proposed comprehensive plan amendment call 2006 i-75 land in the department of economic opportunity and other reviewing agencies so if you have any questions let me know thank you okay any questions for staff before we go to the applicant i i have a question okay please come back up and i i spoke to the applicant's attorney um just a question for you uh so we did a we hired an engineer to do a bicycle route study yes and um was that part of blanton part of that bicycle route study i am not sure but i can check on that for you i do know when we're looking at that scenic corridor that we'd like for it to start near jasmine road so i know there's going to be different provisions that hug against that particular parcel versus the ones that are in the uh the northeast rural overlay if you like it to start at jazz main road those conditions for the scenic corridor but i'll check on that for you to see work whenever you're doing something up in that area i definitely want the the work we did with the engineer transposed on any thing that's happening and making sure we're working together on on that plan now it wasn't for a bike trail but that plan encompassed wider roads and a shoulder for cyclists i mean that's a big tourism draw and uh well it's dangerous with some of those narrow roads so and you know this area better than me um but there's there's already a map that's been generated with routes and i think blanton's on it i just don't know

where it ends and where it stops that's true thank you okay and for the adoption hearing we can include that map in the powerpoint presentation this is just the transmittal so for the adoption hearing we can make sure that we include that mr did you have a question for staff well this is actually right at the interstate and of course we've had all the interstate improvements and all the landscape for the interstate this property sits to the northeast corner of that intersection and it takes in consideration improvements of the road down toward jasmine and i think from jasmine not the first part of jasmine you see but the second jasmine as you go toward blanton from there back through where the blanton crossing is for blanton 41 and the trevory road cross we've been doing a study through the mpo on that on that route so that has been taken into consideration so just want to be sure not we're not dealing with the widening of 41 or anything yeah that we could possibly get a trail at this point may in the future it'll work out when we live yeah and i think what that study encompassed was just um wider shoulders um just getting some land from the landowners that allowed for a wide paved shoulder there's no real improvement of 41 like you would talk about for the widener showers when that does happen in the future we'll we'll be looking out for that so anything else we'll force that before i go to the applicant no okay um i know we have the applicant or the applicants and or the applicants um council is on the line um we'll go ahead and move so miss will height are you on the line it takes a while for the unmuted yeah hey barbara oh i'm larry guilford i'm a bit one of the beneficiaries of the trust and representative of the property owner so and i live at one two two three eight tradition drive in dave city florida which is 5.43 miles from the property i'm a resident of pasco county have been since 1977 and i'm a former member of the planning commission for pasco county and a current member of the pasco metropolitan planning organization citizen advisory committee i'm speaking on behalf of the property we've had several meetings and great great work with the staff uh in trying to get this thing done the subject property was purchased because of its location at the interstate exit and because it is currently designated as one of the designated employment centers in pasco county the current economic center designation goes along county 41 blanton road to lake iola

spring lake road to the west and mccann road to the east as an employment center it is designed to provide employment opportunities along major transportation corridors the current employment center designation allows commercial industrial and residential uses our plan here is to rezone 14 acres to c2 to allow for the interstate type businesses such as gas food and hotel and also the possibilities of an emergency center and let me perfectly clear there's no plan for a truck stop on the property has been mentioned in various emails remainder of the property would be zoned i1 light industrial to encourage economic development along uh the frontage of i-75 we have provided a conceptual plan for the property at this time i'd like to turn it over to barbara wilhelm [Music] all right miss thank you miss wilheit hi this is barbara will heights 63-27 um grand boulevard newport florida 34652 and i have been swarmed commissioner starkey my research shows when i was uh submitting the comprehensive plan amendment that the closest future regional trail is to the east at blanton road and trilby road which is consistent with what commissioner oakley was saying so we'll certainly make sure that with staff we bring back the map at the adoption hearing so you can see exactly where the trails are in this area future trails i wanted to just add a little bit regarding the property in 2006 the county put the land use designation of ec on the property as part of an extensive update to the comp plan that included the citizens advisory committee and the northeast pasco world group the ec land designation allows commercial light industrial and certain heavy industrial uses at a maximum far of 3.0 which is 300 percent it allows apartments and townhomes at a maximum density of 32 units per acre it requires at least 7.6 acres of property to be apartments or townhomes and allows a maximum 38 acres to be count apartments and townhomes and 480 apartments this amendment and the deed restrictions that will go along with the rezoning of the property removes the requirement for multi-family and prohibits residential use this residential use is not appropriate adjacent to the interstate and is not the best use of the limited i-75 frontage that remains undeveloped we actually heard from a neighbor at the um at our neighborhood meeting and asked we spoke at the planning commission about how when when some trees were

harvested on mr gilford's property he can hear the noise on the interstate and how much that bothers them so we certainly don't want to see residential use on this property adjacent to the interstate and such a prime location for commercial and light industrial the the amendment would allow light industrial uses and limit the plural ratio to 50 so the only light industrial we take out the ability for any heavy industrial which is more compatible as opposed to 300 percent far that's currently allowed in in the um there's a specific area where commercial uses are allowed limits the maximum coverage to 50 as opposed to 300 percent prohibiting a truck stop as indicated by my client mr gilford we clean up the split land use designation the property we provide for light industrial uses along the property frontage which is more appropriate and we prohibit um where there is there's one adjacent residential use and we're requiring a 25-foot setback to remove a natural undisturbed condition which exceeds the ldc requirements this amendment is exactly in line with what the bocc and pevc priorities have been at interchanges so with that we'll go ahead and see what public comment there might be mike razer is on my team and have been able to talk about any transportation issues but we would like to go and see if there's any public comment then we can respond see mrs white so um any questions from miss wall height before i go to public comment commissioner mariana has a question i just i just made a couple of comments um when we adopted our comprehensive plan many years ago we looked at this as one of the priorities as far as to have any economic development centers uh the northern part of the county we're trying to look at all the top half mile all the way across so putting it up there was on purpose uh we knew it was a trickier intersection than some but we thought there may be some value and seeing that they're taking the calm down below and along that whole corridor kind of like the overpass business park right along i-75 it could provide a really good site for a industrial complex to come in so knowing that it's not going to be a truck stop which was a lot of the feedback i got from citizens calling in i think staff's done a pretty good job with the project thank you any other questions from staff before i go to public comment um commissioner starkey i did have a question i think i heard barbara say they're excluding heavy industrial and no okay i was wondering why we would do that barbara no they meant to light

industrial so it will be it'll be light industrial uses that's consistent with what the pedc wants to see with the property but you said no heavy industrial which i mean i'm okay with him there why would we not want heavy industrial missions they can't have heavy industrial next to the residential there is a compound policy that wouldn't allow the heavy industrial next to the residential okay are we satisfied for now i go to public comment well yeah yeah it's you can't do it okay matt and clerk we do have um people signed up first i will ask do we have any emails that need to be read into the record no emails to be read in the record one was for file nbc okay do we have anybody on webex at this time so um my understanding no one's logged in via webex but they might be at the kiosk okay so nobody's logged into webex and we do have people at kiosks for my understanding so the first person at the kiosk if we can put them on name and address for the record and if you've been sworn my name is edward uh i live in 327.10 blueberry hill way paid city florida three three five two three and the property owner adjacent to the property's backside or the north end on the hernando county line my wife is here to speak also i'd ask initially for additional time we would ask that we condense both our times one so that i have six minutes to discuss this issue have you been sworn sir yes sir thank you so much please begin okay the accounting presenter decided to flu 1.47 uh which really has to do with existing commercial use and changing that use and now with rezoning planning to the cp she also assigned to flu 8.1.5 which has to do with the north market now there's a policy in the north market uh procedure which says that flu 8.1.5 is intended to quote preserve rural lifestyle when you're doing healing and all preserving lifestyle you're rejecting light industrial and commercial into a rural area 6.04 the overlay says content purpose of the implement is to implement goal flu ii which is to protect northeast pasco existing rural and agricultural character regardless of what the arguments are for industrial heavy industrial light industrial it's industrial it's not rural the two important uh flus is 2.1 which says that the rural lifestyle

remains available for future residents a commercial zone will not do that at value 2.1.1 that the land intensities and characters should be consistent with the rural character of the area then it goes on if you stay with the fbi use 1.6.2 that the comprehensive plan can only be amended if the property is at an intersection of two roads which it is but it says you cannot set the precedent for further strict development what they're asking you to do is forbidden by your own policy with 0.6.2 regardless of their arguments of how good it's going to go the mercantile case which dealt with uh comprehensive land abundance says the comprehensive land use plan legislatively sets a zoning norm for each so building changes should only be made when the existing zoning is inconsistent with the plan which it is not other one amendment to the area of the entire zone whereas the use is permitted within the entire zone mercado says if you change his zoning you must change the entire rural agricultural area we should all be zoned commercial light industry that's old case last night florida on the flu 1.62 scene says pasco county shall not designate additional strip commercial development through comprehensive planning menu except between two says thou shalt not and which is not what they're asking you to do as far as flu 2.3 uh which was my exhibit to get a paper which i submitted which i hope you read but you probably haven't it shows rural area one which extends close to the northeast and this represents both the final form of development there's nothing that it says we're going to by the way change the final form to be commercial and light industrial these areas shall not be treated as areas in transition shall not be treated as theories urbanization now your own website says the hdr mpp is [Music] unless the property is demonstrated to be at least six things none of which is alleged none of which is there are also public policy considerations we've heard about the expected traffic changes there are other factors that come into play that request the changes those truck stops even though they said they're not going to happen so happened in store and other used to connect with markets criminal activity drug use burglary robbery and prostitution presently there is no criminal activity

problem in that section if you put the strip ball in there you sure as hell will have some secondly fire prevention there is no access to water there for the trucks if there's a fire in an 88 or uh industrial which will house all kinds of chemicals and flammable materials you have no way to fight that fire you're just going to have to let it burn out and if my house is right next to the area that's going to burn out right now if you really buy this you're defeating the entire purpose of the employment center which is to put high paying jobs in the proximity of living quarters what you're going to do is put low paying jobs with nothing else you're putting the camel's nose under the tent and under ricardo if you allow this you're allowing the property next door which i believe is owned by the safe person to be rezoned commercial and then the pert parcel after that the parts left for that he might as well get it all over with and zone the whole commercial fighting thank you sir you said your wife had something she wanted to go over okay thank you sir do we have anybody do we have anybody else at the um kiosk there's nobody else for this item at the kiosk okay so we have nobody at webex we have no other emails i'm going to go back to the applicant for a rebuttal hi yes commissioners i understand that mr dickowitz is an attorney but with all due respect he has no expertise in land use i've reviewed his report and i am confident that staff's recommendation regarding the consistency of this amendment with the comprehensive plan is correct and is confident substantial evidence for you to move forward many many many mischaracterizations and cherry picking of language in the comp plan and a lot of people do that but it's not actually the way comp plan consistency review is done and your staff has done a fine confident that we're consistent with the comp plan and unless the commissioners have any questions of my team we'd ask that you support staff recommendation and planning commission's unanimous recommendation and transmit the amendment you miss walk any other questions from the board at this time questions from the board for the applicant or staff this is this area has been zoned for employment center for i believe several years uh jack way back earlier 14 years how many 14 14 years so i think it's in line with what was proposed there for the future so and it spins on that for all this time

with that i'd uh like to move approval motion is that a second second under discussion discussion i'm sure that um we have buffering requirements from residential to any kind of commercial or industrial that will be respected here chairman mr steiner reminding the board you're in a comprehensive plan amendment hearing today so we're not talking about zoning okay we're only talk and the buffering requirements will come back when ms will hike puts forward a zoning application okay solve a motion in a second all in favor all right i all opposed some sign motion passes p8 zoning a minute um truman d and margaret g campbell truman came over vocal trust james this is only from c2 general commercial district rh mobile home district central pascal on the east side of louisiana 90 or 41 approximately 25 miles north of state route 52 you could take approximately 43.9 acres miss hernandez this is yours thank you great so um if you would move on to the next slide commissioner went through that item i'm sorry mr anders can i get the publication oh thank you so much yes uh it was pa was published in the tampa bay times on september 23rd 2020. thank you thank you this is pdd27489 it's a request for a change in zoning from c2 general commercial district to rmh it's located in central pasco county on the east side of 41 approximately half a mile north of state road 52 next slide please the subject site is undeveloped and contains approximately 43.98 acres the surrounding area is characterized by residential development entitled residential development entitled commercial parcels and agricultural pursuits the pilot country estates subdivision and the pilot country airport is adjacent to the east the owner's applicants propose to rezone the property in order to develop the site with single-family detached subdivision in in conformance with rmh mobile home district standards for development next slide please the applicant has voluntarily agreed to record a deed restriction that provides the following the nearest residential lot on the eastern boundary of the property shall be a minimum of 200 feet the site is limited to 109 single family detached site-built dwellings mobile manufactured homes modular homes are expressly prohibited and a provision will be included in all sales contracts disclosing that the existing public use airport is located near the eastern boundary of the property

following slide a nosex noise exposure map mapping report for the pilot country airport was provided by the applicant stating that the property is outside of the 65 decibel day night average sound level noise exposure contour for the pilot country airport i believe the applicant may have the act mr thompson on the line to discuss that item and that's in your agenda attachment four they also have received an faa federal aviation administration aeronautical study that determined that there's no hazard to air navigation that's in your attachment three next slide please the surrounding zonings are as follows you've got r1mh to the north you've got uh talavera master plan unit development district adjacent to across the road u.s 41 to the northwest those are lots between 60 foot wide and 80 foot wide lots you've got enterprise commerce park mpud which is approved for 30 industrial and commercial flex lots it is an expired mpud to the west across 41. you've got some churches achieve of pasco which is a special needs program to the south across from state road 52 you've got connorton village five which has approvals for 35 foot wide lots 50 foot wide lots and 18 foot wide town home lots for both their neighborhood six and their neighborhood five which is adjacent across the street to the um just a few thousand feet from the from the actual property but it's on the south side of 52 and if i can point there pointer doesn't work the mpud that's on the south portion of that property is the connerton um village uh five um additionally you have to the south east uh of the intersection of 41 and 52. you've got two mpods you've got tibit and sand ridge those are typically commercial and uh industrial mpuds but just south of that you've got the lester dairy and fci mpuds which are approved for 40 by 110 foot lots if you go to the next slide please the future land use on the subject property is ror retail office residential retail office residential contemplates commercial residential hotels motels comparable light manufacturing processing and assembly of goods uh for in the intensity in terms of density in terms of residential it would be 24 maximum units per developable acre this project is about 3.9 or so units per acre following slide please that's just showing the access to the site off of us41 following site please so this comes to you with a different

split recommendation so the planning commission recommended that the zoning amendment be denied they found that the zoning amendment is not consistent with the land use pattern in the area the planning and development department recommends that the zoning amendment be adopted so approved if you have any questions i am here to answer them so before we move on to the applicant do we have any questions for ms hernandez scene nine i'll move to the applicant this will height oh you're on mute we'll give you one second miss wilhelm hold on one second i am off news now can you hear me we can now hear you yes this is barbara wilhite cindy tarapini on our team is going to uh present for us we also have some folks who are rebuttal depending on what the public comment is but um cindy if you'd like to move forward please go ahead thank you so much thank you so much good afternoon chairman and commissioner members i'm cindy terrapani with terry panty planning strategies 128 east tarpon avenue in tarpon springs florida and i have been sworn i'm the authorized agent for the property owners truman and margaret campbell who are florida pioneer families in pasco county this rezoning application is a down zoning from c2 general commercial to the rmh district to allow 109 single-family detached homes this residential use is not allowed in c2 the application has a zoning application the rmh district was chosen for the site based on our understanding from the county commission that small sites with only one proposed land use don't really need to go through the detailed time-consuming mpd process this site meets both of those criteria it's only 44 acres as your staff mentioned and only 28 of those acres are upland and developable the site is also proposing only one type of use which is single family detached homes recently complied with the comp plan and the land development code and is compatible with this okay unless i thought that was not the browning area based on the following analysis that goes through this as well the site does have water and sewer service available immediately adjacent in 41. the site will the rezoning site with the homes will generate significantly less traffic than the development that could be done in the c2 in fact the commercial used to generate 20 times more traffic than the residential use samples 52 is under construction to be expanded from a two lane to a six lane road from the parkway east to 41. also 41 is also under construction by d.o.t from conner boulevard north to state road 52 to 10 from a two lane to a four lane road both of these construction projects

will improve the road and their intersection to level of service seat the completion of both roads will align with the time frame that the first few homes will be available for ceo and purchase in the resenting site although a concept plan is not required for this rezoning we have prepared one to show you and demonstrate that it meets the county's development standards and the efforts we have gone through to ensure compatibility with our neighbor to the east pilot country estates we can have the first slide please next slide please so here you see the can we go back one to this concept plan please so you can see on the console plan north is to the right 41 is at the top of the page we have one entry into the project the wetlands have already been approved by swiftly and this the exact wetland line is shown on this graphic and it's shown in green the a lot there is a obviously a road system internally we meet all the development standards for by pasco county including wetland preservation the neighborhood parks and storm water management as you can also see at the bottom of this slide there are only four homes adjacent to the site's eastern border pilot country estates airport is not adjacent to the site only the home for homes within the prod the residential portion are adjacent to our property the new stormwater pond is shown in blue and it's in between the two wetlands so along that eastern border between our property and the other country estates homes there will be a 20 foot wide natural buffer in which no construction will be allowed this 20-foot wide natural buffer will be implemented and enforced through the deed restriction next slide please this photograph is a view standing on one of the pilot country estate's homes at about the middle of the rezoning site looking towards the resetting site and you can see the mature trees on both properties that will assist in providing that natural buffer compatibility in your code does not require that the uses be exactly the same compatibility is defined in your code as the following and i quote uses can coexist in relative proximity to each other in a stable fashion over time such that no use is unduly negatively impacted there's three tests of compatibility one how similar or dissimilar are the uses in this case the uses are exactly the same single family detached residential homes secondly what is the distance between those two uses again in this situation the minimum separation will be 200 feet between the two home developments and third any mitigating factors and again here we have a 200 foot wide natural buffer composed of mature trees landscaping

wetlands and the storm water pond that will not allow any development between these two uses therefore based on your definition of compatibility compatibility with the rezoning site and the pilot country states project is assured the next slide please the sole difference between the rezoning site and the residential use on pilot country states is lot size we are proposing 40-foot lots that responds to the current homeowner's wishes for a well-built quality detached home with minimal yard maintenance no one wants to do the landscaping anymore 40-foot lots have been approved throughout the county and specifically in the central market area in which this site is located 10 projects have been approved for lots with 40 feet or less and as i learned today from mrs hernandez connerton also has 40-foot lots so there are 11 projects in the central market area of 40-foot lots seven of those again including connerton are on properties on u.s 41 south of the rezoning site and since these 44 lots have been approved since 2003 it's not a new phenomenon and they've been approved since for over 17 years next slide please to demonstrate the quality of the homes has absolutely nothing to do with the size of the lot i'd like to show you the existing homes in cypress preserve one of the developments that has been approved for 40-foot lots as many of you know cyprus preserve is on 41 immediately to the south of the rezoning site these homes have been constructed sold and occupied in this successful neighborhood i'd like to speak a little bit about pilot country estates airport the pilot country airport and their concerns first it's important to note that mr campbell's father and brother-in-law owned the airport property and were the original developers of both the airport and the homes within it after construction of the airport mr campbell's father mother continued to live south of the rezoning site on immediately adjacent to pilot country estates mr campbell's father would never have developed that airport if he knew that it would later become the reason why his son's property rights would be harmed and the sun will be prevented from obtaining a zoning approval to develop the site we have performed two noise studies to confirm that the existence of the airport will not have a negative impact on the rezoning site next slide please the first study was performed by michael thompson of the firm michael baker international using the methodology approved by the code of federal regulation part 150 based on that code a noise level of 65 decibels or less is compatible residential use government schools churches commercial and industrial uses

when you apply that to this site as you can see you can see the noise contours on this property almost all the rezoning site will experience noise levels excuse me no part of the rezoning site will experience noise above 60 decibels and most of the site in fact almost all of it will be in the 55 decibel range therefore based on the federal standards the proposed residential use is compatible with the airport with regard to expected sound you can see it on this graphic but it's a little hard to read so i'd like to point it out to you that in contrast 35 homes within pilot country estates are located directly on the airport that's the big white line you see in the middle of that 65 decibel nose noise contour and all of those homes are within those 35 homes are within the 65 noise contour which is considered incompatible with residential zone next slide please the second study was performed by mike michael alberts of kb environmental services and this site used a sound meter located directly on the rezoning site to measure actual sounds heard on the rezoning site to put those these measurements in perspective these are typical sound levels also measured in decibels so you can see a house urban residence is 50 classroom chatter 70 a construction site is 100 decibels so to go the next slide please again as measured of aircraft and non-aircraft noise on the rezoning site with a professional and professional sound equipment a plane uh that was landing on the pilot country airport could not be measured as it was below the ambient noise level a plane directly overhead measured at 56 and a half decibels a plane uh taking off that's a typo in there the plane taking off is 61 decibels and just to compare that one motorcycle on 41 from the rezoning site measures at 54 almost 55 decibels similar to the plane flying overhead while a group of motorcycles that can be heard on the rezoning site measures at 62.6 slightly above the plane taking off from the pilot country the noise measurements cited mr 12th havens uh letter that he may speak about today appear to have been measured on the runway clearly measuring on the runway you're going to get dramatically different numbers also it's unclear whether or not the the data that mr twalhaven cites what was done by a professional or used professional documentation to do that we believe our presentation i just need uh two seconds of online mr chairman we can finish that's i don't think you were supposed to get deep but go ahead thank you we believe our presentation and documented submitted show that the rezoning is consistent with the comp

plan and the land development code should be approved for the following reasons you can delete the slides if you like please thank you first the requested 40-foot lots have been approved in this central market area for a total of 11 projects since 2003 and seven of these projects are located south of the rezoning site in close proximity on us-41 therefore the proposed 40-foot lots are consistent with the land use development pattern all public services and utilities are available to the site third the deep restrictions will limit the development to 109 single-family homes only it will require disclosure about the airport and it will require 200 foot natural buffer along that eastern property line as many of you know at any time a title search is done whenever a property is sold the restrictions will pick up and everyone will be aware of that and finally pasco county excuse me pilot country estates want you to place their interests above everybody else's we're asking you to recognize the rights of the property owners the campbells who have done everything possible to protect their neighbors and allow both parcels to develop and prosper thank you and i'd be happy to answer any of your questions thank you so much okay do we have any questions from the board this time for staff or the applicant no okay i mean i have something but i don't know if we could put it up on the possibility possibly put something on the screen off a phone maybe if maybe after a little while i'll wait i'm gonna start i'll start public comment and i'll see if we can pull it off so um madam clerk we have a number of um emails and people signed up to speak on this item so i'd like to to do first is go ahead and any emails that were you were asked to read into the record we'll start with that please there's a number of them how many of those are there so there are 13 emails to be that have been requested to read in to the record there's a total of eight uh let's see a total of 37 but 13 of those has to be read one of those is um was submitted at the prior meeting that was continued so i'm including that in the count of 13. in addition i just want some direction one of the letters is from holland and knight representing mr and mrs campbell i don't know if you want uh me to read that one it was really well let me ask miss wilheit here on the line so there's a you're representing the applicant but i also have a letter from holland and knight that states they're

also representing the applicant they're representing the property owner or the property owner i'm sorry i'm sorry right right right if you could they do have the unique perspective of the property owner the campbell so i think you might find their letter interesting okay all right we can i will start with that letter this letter is from glenn adams at 200 south orange avenue suite 2600 orlando florida 32801 dear commissioners the law firm of holland and knight represents mr and mrs truman campbell the beneficial owners of the property at issue in petition 7489 our firm respectfully submits this letter in support of petition 7489 the property at issue is a tract of land located in central pasco near the intersection of u.s highway 41 and state road 52 known known locally as gower's corner mr and mrs truman are both members of pioneer pasco county families and the property at issue has been in mr trump in mr campbell's family for several generations as paso county continues its inevitable growth the agricultural activities and agricultural related activities of the campbell family over the past several generations are no longer feasible for this future appropriate land use changes with time and legacy families like the campbells acquire vested rights in their land over many years of good stewardship rights and third parties would now have their have you deny i'm sorry rights that third parties would now have you deny without legal merit to further their own interest in particular pilot country airport xo5 llc referred to as pilot country and mr mark 12 12 hoven a principal of pilot county have expressed opposition to the zoning reclassification mr twelve hoven is a homeowner in pilot country's estates subdivision which is contiguo contiguous to both the campbell's property and the airport owned by pilot camp by pilot country pilot country estates is a flying community with numerous existing homes and vacant parcels which are much closer to the pilot country airport runway and flight path than the campbell property based on a review of pasco county public records in addition to the airport-related parcels owned by pilot county mr troff hovind individually owns two homes and several vacant residential parcels within pilot country estate and a nearby home outside of pilot country estates mr troffon has expressed through his council that he wishes to protect investment in pilot country and pilot country estates and has raised several

objections without legal justification these objections are a smoke screen mr troff hoven would ask the commission to limit or deny the campbell's the right of residential use through even though mr truffle trollhovens similarly situated pilot country estates lots are allowed residential use such an action to deny the campbell's legacy the same as mr troff trollhoven has in the recent acquired nearby lots would be at the very least unfair and inequitable for the reason stated above and for other reasons presented to the commission in support of the petition we respectfully request on behalf of mr mr campbell that the commissioner commission approve the proposed rezoning of their property okay thank you so the next letter i just want to make sure that we're time in the letters we are okay the next letter i have is from michael hatfield uh he lives at 12 140 pilot country drive pilot country airport spring hill florida three four six one zero dear commissioners i've owned property at pilot country for over 27 years and utilize airport services primarily for commerce the aircraft landing pattern for runway 36 is designated by the ffa will require aircraft some with high horsepower multi-engine and growth and heavy gross weight to fly directly above the proposed residential high-density mobile park the aircraft will be at a relatively low altitude with noticeable engine noise and visual intrusion the mobile home residential project does not belong next to pilot country airport and beneath air traffic pattern the tragedy of an accident notwithstanding i request this objection to be read to commissioners and filed at the meeting of september 8th 2020 at 1 30. yours truly michael's hatfield the next letter i have is from doreen alvarez dear count paso county commissioners my name is doreen alvarez i live at 11581 pilot country drive spring hill florida three four six one zero i have never written a letter to county commissioners before and frankly it is somewhat difficult the purpose of this letter is to express my opinion my opposition to the proposed rezoning of the above property this is a very nice neighborhood and i know every single owner because we have a common interest aviation do you know all of your neighbors in your entire neighborhood we love the wonderful noise aircraft makes in fact it is one of the reasons we live here flights go on day and night and no one here has an issue with noise a subdivision like the one

proposed will bring an onslaught of complaints from non-aviation neighbors even though the commissioners approve telavera with the outstanding with the understanding of the neighborhood developer that pilot country existed and were supposed to inform every new homeowner of the fact that we were here first as an airport those neighbors complain about aircraft noise from time to time what is going to happen when you build a subdivision even closer to pilot country than talavera we prefer to see the commercial zoning to remain we know the noise will not be an issue i would like to have this letter read into the minutes of the meeting please do not approve the rezoning thank you doreen alvarez next letter okay next letter is from spencer t brass flight chief instructure with fly x05 at 11 550 pilot country drive spring hill florida 33602 board of county commissioners i am riding in strong opposition to the rezoning of property adjacent to pilot country estates and pilot country airport xo5 from c2 general commercial district to rmh mobile home district located in central pasco in central pasco county on the east side of u.s highway 41 approximately half miles one half miles north of state road 52 and containing approximately 43.9 acres as the chief flight instructor for fly x05 pilot country airport's newest flying training center it is my duty to inform you of the noise impacts both current and future of pilot country airport due to airplane activities the yearly day night average sound noise level level noise exposure exposure mapping that was conducted by michael baker international inc dated august 11 2020 simply cannot be used as an accurate measure of the noise created by pilot county airport as published in the report the ansa requires the faa to designate two noise metrics for the purpose of this letter we will look at the exposure of individuals to airport noise i.e for evaluating the cumulative impacts of multiple noise events required consolidation of the effects of intensity duration frequency and time of occurrence the dnl is used to evaluate a person's cumulative exposure to sound over a 24-hour period part of the data that was used to make the determination of the exposure to sound was the florida department of transportation aviation's office's annual aircraft operation forecast 2016 to 2035 to derive approximately 10 673 total annual aircraft operations the data collection of the annual aircraft operation forecast of pilot

count country airport considers two metrics of activity uh based aircraft and ga operations it was reflected in the airport in the report that pilot country airport has 27 aircraft based on the field this number is incorrect due to the fact that the homes and pilot country airport estates are privately owned with privately owned hangars and are not included in the number of based airplanes for fdot purposes through an independent study of pilot country airport management the correct number of based aircrafts at pilot country airport is approximately 115 aircraft nearly 400 percent more than originally accounted for the increased number of aircraft based at pallet country airport should be considered to add many additional yearly flight operations pilot country airport and fly x05 will develop over the next several months a sophisticated flight training program using various makes and models of aircraft this type of operation will increase the number of aircraft activities significantly accordingly 14 cfr section 150.21 which was used to guide the noise exposure mapping process states that any substantial new am is that my time um that i think that was it well you read fast okay okay um the next email or the next email is from roberto garcia my name is roberto p garcia and i live at 11581 pilot country drive spring hill florida 34610 i have lived at pilot country since 1978 in fact there is no other person living here since the beginning of the runway the purpose of this letter is to strongly object to the request for rezoning of the campbell property from c2 to rmh a non-aviation related subdivision extremely adjacent to pilot country is going to bring all kinds of issues such as eventual court challenges due to noise complaints attempts to limit airport activities and probably an increase in runway incursions needless to say the huge addition of local traffic and its consequences i can see where the developer needs to increase his profit by building as many homes as you let them but there is another way to solve the problem just a few months ago a lot at the west end of the neighborhood sold for two hundred thousand almost every week someone stops me to ask me if there are any lots for sale my answer is simply lots never come up for sale in this neighborhood why not build an aviation based neighborhood extension to pilot country in lieu of the proposed subdivision has anyone proposed this type of subdivision where the lots go

for 200 to 300 000 and the homes will be in the 700 to 1 million dollar range it will require some negotiations with the runway owner and the hoa there is already an extension an existing extension of the west taxiway road which was created back in the 1970s by mr campbell's brother-in-law for that specific purpose that type of neighborhood will create several acceptable results such as one the developer can sell thirty to fifty lots at two hundred to three hundred thousand each there will be two there will be no there will be there will not be a noise issue to debate in the future three the county will have a much higher real estate tax income for the entire area's appearance will look like an upscaled neighborhood five every single legal cost where no one wins except the lawyers please consider my idea or deny the proposed rezoning please read this letter into the minutes next letter is from peggy jasper she lives at 11 840 pilot country drive spring hill florida three four six one zero two bcc members this is a request for your disapproval of the zoning change in the subject case pbd 20-7489 i live in pilot country airport and do not want to see housing built adjacent to my property such development is not consistent with the existing land use and may not only devalue my property but also being begin to crowd out the airport and its use the area in question is under the flight path as pilots take off land and fly over the airport another concern is if new residents begin to complain about aircraft noise it may result in future and further issues and threaten our existence this is a very active airport has been here since the 1970s the homeowners at pilot country want to continue to be a very desirable airport community please record this email and read it into the board members at the october 6 2020 meeting thank you for your time and consideration next email is from michael and diane jones they live at 12 00 15 pilot country drive spring hill florida 3 4 6 one zero board of county commissioners paso county florida we have resided at pasco county estates for over 20 years having purchased the property in 1986 some 14 years prior to building our home during that time we have seen numerous changes in the surrounding areas due mostly to people moving in quite frankly the changes have been less than beneficial and yet developers continue to get their way they finish a project they leave the area

residents to cope with the results the results including the following detriment to mention a few destruction of wetlands dried up wells due to over pumping of water sinkholes again due to over pumping loss of wildlife habitat traffic stands still backflow of storm water due to rising property levels at development site people moved to pilot country to get away from the high density neighborhoods where they could maintain private aircraft without harassment where they could enjoy observing wildlife where the environment provided a modicum of serenity no longer do we have deer and flocks of wild turkeys in our yards no longer do we see herds of deer from the air people move in and wildlife has no choice but to move out or die in either case they are gone forever all for the sake of what is termed progress make no mistake aircraft are loud when departing and they do so at any hour of the day or night placing such a neighborhood directly under the flight path of departing and arriving aircraft will result in a multitude of complaints including citing a safety concern despite the non-occurrence of such an unfortunate event ultimately as in numerous other similar situations there will be a call to abolish the airport even though it existed decades before any proposed development was contemplated in the meantime property values of both pilot country and the proposed development will fall into decline as no one will want to live under those conditions we are against rezoning for high density residential purposes and believe the commercial zoning should be maintained commercial commercial use will not pose the problem of of residential use and will be most beneficial in the long run also we respectfully press that our letter be read and recorded during the course of the september 8th uh meeting sincerely michael and diana jones okay my next letter is from david g kubler he resides at 11 8 15 pilot country drive spring hill florida three four six one zero bcc members i am david kubler an active pilot living in living at pilot country estates for more than 20 years i'm requesting that my letter be read into the minutes of the meeting october 6 2020 and i am on as i am unable to attend in person i oppose the use of the land for the project as laid out to us 109 homes packed into 11 acres of of a 40 acre parcel developers planned planning these subdivisions do not think of or consider the impact on surrounding properties or even the people they are selling the

lots to the lots and homes to with an airport next to them our traffic pattern for landing on runway 36 is right over the proposed subdivision this is not a good idea the low flying planes are noisy and the complaints will start after a period of time statistics show this is this to be true when subdivisions are built in close proximity to a small airport the airport will the airport has been here for 40 plus years the subdivision south of 52 on 41 has 92 plus lots of similar size they're in front of the large subdivision this subdivision has 150 plus lots of slightly larger size but are spread out and not all packed together to the north on 41 is talavera subdivision which has much larger lot sizes and is able to accommodate approximately five homes per acre the following are comparison of numbers of homes per acre in this area television television averages five homes per acre pilot country averages one home per acre campbell properties averages 10 homes per acre pasco trails average one home per 15 acres i believe that this land should remain commercial and not a no zoning change be made this property needs to stay commercial this is the best use for it thank you the next email i have is from leslie mc mclean and rosemary mc mckean and they reside at 12 to 14 pilot country drive spring hill florida 3 4 6 1 0. dear board of county administrators as homeowners and residents of pasco county estates we would like to express our strong opposition to the possible re-zoning of the subject property just west of pilot country it is our understanding that the intention is to change the zoning to r mh and build or put as as i understand 120 homes or houses and or mobile homes on 40 acres my reasons for not allowing this to happen are based upon the following one a drop down effect in groundwater aquifer levels due to more use of from additional residents will negatively affect the usability of our private wells to the influx of new drivers will cause more traffic our roads already have traffic jams and they are poorly designed to meet the traffic flow now much less the additional cars that could be added three concern about complaints from new residents regarding our airplanes and the flight path has that have been actively used for nearly 50 years since pilot country has been designated an airport four property values in pilot country could be negatively affected by lower income

homes on subject property five crime related activities could also result from the inclusion introduction of low-priced homes attracting lower-income residents six the buffer between pilot country and the proposed development is very minimal and provides little protective barrier to our neighborhood neighboring homes thank you for allowing us the opportunity to voice our opinion we re request that the letter be read and recorded in the minutes of your meeting as strongly and i'm sorry in your meeting as strongly opposed to the rezoning of the proposed development next letter i have is from ed and pat nunn dear let's see they live at 11 610 pilot country drive dear bcc members we are writing to request your disapproval of the zoning change in subject case we live in pilot country airport and do not want to see housing built adjacent to our property such development is not consistent with the existing land use and may not only devalue our property but also begin to crowd out the airport and its use the area in question is under the flight path as pilots take off land and fly over the airport and if new residents begin to complain about aircraft noise that may result in further issues that threaten our existence this active airport has been here for since the 1970s or earlier and is a very desirable airport community please record this email and read it into the board members read it to the board members at the october 6 2020 meeting thank you for your time and consideration my next email is from ryan sampson the owner of old florida ranch llc i do not see an address dear honorable chairman and commissioners i am unable to make the public hearing tomorrow but would request that this letter be read out loud then i am a partner in approximately 1 100 acres at state road 52 and us 41 known as old florida ranch it is within a half mile of the campbell property that is being downsized with case number 7489 i want to let you know that we 100 percent support the rezoning applications submitted by truman and margaret to rezone their property on u.s highway 41 from the c2 commercial zoning district to the rmh residential mobile home zoning district residential is a much more appropriate use than commercial for this parcel the less traffic on northern us 41 the better and i believe residential will be quieter than the potential commercial i appreciate you taking my thoughts into considerations

the next letter i have is from jill a trotin she lives at 12 120 pilot country drive spring hill florida 34610 dear board of county administrators i'm a resident of pilot country airport and the reason for my emails to express my disapproval of the possible rezoning of the subject property just west of pilot country it is currently a commercially zoned property and if the intention is to change the zoning to rmh and build or put as i understand 120 homes and our mobile homes on 40 acres my reason for not allowing this to happen are based on the following one a drawdown effect on groundwater aquifer levels due to more use from residential from additional residents will negatively affect the usability of our private wells two wildlife and protected species will be affected as they will be forced out of the natural habitat three property values in pilot country will be negatively affected by lower income homes on subject property or crime related activities could also result from the introduction of lower priced homes attracting lower income residents security is a big concern of mine five the buffer between pilot country and the proposed development is very minimal and provides little protective barrier to our neighboring homes six concerned about complaints from the new residents regarding our airplane and the flight path that has been active for nearly 50 years since pilot county has been designated an airport seven the influx of new drivers will cause more traffic our roads already have traffic jams and they are poorly designed to meet the traffic flow now much less the additional cars that could be added again i am not in favor of the rezoning and proposed development please keep it a commercial zone thank you for allowing the opportunity to voice my opinion on the above subject matter and please have my letter read and recorded in the minutes of your meeting i believe this is the last letter it is from daryl wallace and carolyn adams wallace they live at okay never mind we live at 11 709 drive lane oh driver lane in pilot country estates lots 40 and 41 and own lot 72. we are vehemently opposed to the proposed rezoning from commercial to high density residential to the adjacent property several issues come to mind first this is an airport community the said area is directly under the flight pattern flight path of the landing aircraft planes will be flying over the property at low altitudes this is a private public

airport community please reference florida statute 333 airport zoning the 120 proposed homes on 40 acres is incompatible with the one acre and five acre requirements in two of the closest established communities in addition the overly dense housing will have a negative impact on property values in pilot country as well as pasco trails furthermore the proposal is incompatible with pasco county's master plan 2025 ror we respect requests that this email be read and recorded in the record and that's it um chairman my understanding is that there was one person at the kiosk for p8 chaos [Music] and name and address for the record and still be sworn right yeah and if you've been sworn please good afternoon my name is jim mcbride one seven four three zero two hyde road spring hill florida three four six one zero commissioners up here this afternoon over here from college corners you've been sworn sir i'm sorry can you have you been sworn yes i have been supported i'm sorry that's okay thank you so much appreciate it i want to speak in favor of the campbell subdivision rezoning that probably is a beautiful problem that's going to add a lot to the value of central pasco county i want to let you know that i've been here in the congress corners area for an excess of 60 years i've seen a lot of positive changes i've seen some negative changes but by the use of the county staff and your oversight the five or six subdivisions that are along u.s 41 north and south of 52 are absolutely beautiful the campbell project will add to that amenity of the central pasco county area there's no question in my mind that central pasco county is a blossom that's ready to be picked and you all realize that with what's coming up with the moffett cancer center around the corner on 52 the property that the county owns at the jail and the utilities complex are all right for development and further use of the citizens of pasco county the development of the hospital will allow the need for a considerable amount of commercial other properties and residentials the campbell project is a beautiful addition that will be close to the hospital close to the future judicial complex and several other developments that i understand are in the mill for the central pasco county area we need more homes we need to get people

in pasco county that'll live and work and spend their resources right here for development of the county tax rolls the campbell subdivision has beautifully laid out it's been approved by the staff as a good recommendation for a commercial for the reducing of commercial into residential it's uh several hundred feet from any other residential area it has a volume of wetlands and reserve and apple exit and entrance onto state road or correct us-41 as does the other subdivisions that's been previously mentioned here there's a lot of open space and recharge area there on the campbell property pasco county the center part of pasco county commissioners as you know is an untouched blossom and that's why i believe that you all want that property years ago where the jail is commissioners let me just say this we lost you sir okay [Music] all right sir i'm sorry they cut you off because you're three minutes i apologize so yeah [Laughter] that's great so do we do we have anybody else at the kiosk at this time seeing none um don't forget we have webex yeah we have webex so um just going forward like we mentioned this a lot when we have um quite a few people sign up for public comment whether um for and against the item um you know if you think for some you know your your point has been made by um prior speakers i mean you don't have to stay on you can i mean if it's again it's up to you totally but if your point's been made over and over again and you feel like dropping off you can just you can just drop off i mean if you were here you would just get out of line but if you if you uh whether again if you are for against an item and you feel your point's been made over and over again by other speakers you know you do have the ability or the right to go ahead and drop off too if you feel like you like to do so okay with that i'm going to go back to the clerk because we have people signed up on webex now and um everybody if you would do me a favor on webex when you come on just say your name and address for the record and if you and say yes you've been sworn if you haven't been sworn you need to let us know and the clerk will have to swear you in thank you so much thank you uh we had 20 people signed up um but only 13 are in the queue so we'll start with number two mr spencer brass oh wait so we so we already read into the record in an email an email

but not for him it's um it's spelled differently on the on the documents it's bass on one and brass on the other but i did read his email i think you need to give him his three minutes okay go ahead please but we remember everybody going forward we need to look at if we have somebody that's already had an email it's it's email or public comment that's the rules but we'll let mr brass go ahead and and go ahead because that's not his fault that's our team's fault for allowing that to go through go ahead sir okay i think everybody can hear anything everybody can hear me [Music] sir if you could start over again you were breaking up a little bit on your phone every so everybody shouldn't be able to hear me yeah yes sir sir please state your name address and if you've been scorned for the record okay there we go now i got it to work uh one five five zero pilot country drive spring hill three three six zero two i have been sworn um yes part of the email was read i would just like we spoke to christina acosta um there are six people here with us we're going to be using the same video that was said to be allowed so we have mark 12 oven paul prince myself priyad nam num quin apple sang suk and robert garcia all in the room so there's 13 in the queue but we are all here on the same chat um like the clerk begin to say the information that was gathered by from the fda creation office annual aircraft operations forecast for the dnl exposure over a 24-hour period the data collection used two metrics based aircraft in ga operations they used pilot country airport as having 27 aircraft based on the field when in reality there's 115 aircraft based on the field which is nearly 400 percent more than what was originally accounted for and used and the one of the two metrics for that dnl forecast additionally 14 cfr section 150.21 states that um that's the noise exposure mapping states that any substantial new non-compatible uses warrant a revised noise exposure map as a flight instructor i can speak to during flight instruction operations there are multiple different occasions where during that process takeoff and landings will occur naturally so the student can accomplish that in their training if we speak hypothetically and 15 students enrolled in flight training at pilot country which we do expect that or more um each flying the recommendation as a flight instructor of three times

per week should result in approximately 23 000 additional takeoff and landing flight operations per year at pilot country which would increase the total noise exposure to those that would be proposed to live so with the above knowledge um we can accurately measure the dnl due to the inaccurate number of based aircraft and the creation of the flight training program urge you each to oppose this uh proposal okay thank you very much is there anyone else on webex yes the next person that we have on webex number three uh adella [Music] yes i'm here i don't know why we're getting that echo you should be okay now oh good good hi good afternoon my name is elita budd i live at one two zero five one pilot country drive thank you for your time today as a 22-year resident of pilot country airport i too have some of the same concerns that have already been addressed by my neighbors and i'd like to have that noted here at the meeting but today i am speaking um as your as the airport manager of pilot country airport xo5 llc we here at pilot kendra xo5 are not just a flying community but we are also an access point for disaster relief staging and demand damage assessment we have the pasco county sheriff helicopter division conduct trainings here at least once a month at the u.s army practice night trainings and at one point marine one helicopter was staged here during one of the campaign rallies for president george w bush since covent 19 and with the hurricanes f dot faa has requested that all airports in the state of florida report daily on the preparedness and accessibility of our airport are we open ready available and selling fuel we are considered an asset for not only pasco county but our surrounding counties as well on to another uh hot topic is the noise related issues on an average i received three calls a week with complaints from surrounding subdivisions about the reoccurring airplane noise with the recent development of our flyxo5 x05 flight flight training center we will have five to seven new aircraft added within this year or next year i apologize which will bring an increase of approximately four to six hours a day of training in each of these aircraft i anticipate that the calls will be increasing and that the county too could potentially be receiving these noise-related calls with the business development and the economic impact of x05

we'll be bringing to the county i ask that you deny this rezoning petition thank you yeah date city if you're talking you're on mute [Music] okay there you go you're good okay um if miss bud is available can she please state whether or not she was sworn yes i apologize thank you next up we have uh mark budd mr bud if you could state your name and address for the record and whether you were sworn oh there you go okay yes i was sworn and uh um name is mark budd 11748 driver lane at pilot country airport i'm a lawn owner at pilot country estates obviously and a commercial pilot and things have already been addressed but uh i think supportport and other remaining airports within casper county are valuable hubs of economic activity and uh support accounting and state in many ways outlined in the habitat impacts agreeing to refund and the proposed development of an incompatible land use with respect to the other surrounding developments and normal airport operations it would be detrimental to the airport surrounding communities and i would reiterate the densely packed dwellings are inconsistent with the surrounding developments and i kind of wonder even a little bit about the change in using the rmh designated for mobile home development which is supposedly not what the applicant is intending to do and why would they be staying at the rmh zoning when they're not going to do that anyway so is there some other reason why they would do that that sidesteps the normal zoning process and protections that's just a rhetorical question the proposed development is directly under the landing pattern it's already mentioned and it's not consistent with faa and fdot guidelines concerning land use compatibility and planning and and also it's been mentioned the florida statute 333 and o2 and 333.03 talking about the incompatibilities and the proper planning in the vicinity of the airport it seems to me that the florida statute chapter 333 concerning airport zone it's not even been taken into consideration around the country and are well aware of airport operations and associated issues with living in the vicinity of an airport and chosen to live there i dare say that there are probably some people that would not share a passion for living on or near an airport community

and would as such would likely not understand the normal airport operations and issues this generally results in complaints and activities detrimental to the airport and pilots and residents of the community even the proposed new community so i've seen many cases where subdivisions grow up around airports and tend to choke off all the activity of the airport and and it doesn't end well so that's you look at other airports and other counties and other municipalities will undergo significant change due to hiv next person that is signed up is richard budd mr butt name and address for the record please and if you've been sworn he has been unmuted yeah get that a little quicker we can't mr butt are you there name and address for the record and if you've been sworn okay i think we lost them we can go ahead okay the next person that we have is peggy campbell miss campbell if you can hear me name an address for the record please uh peggy campbell 28745 st joe road date city uh i'm here to speak for myself and my husband truman campbell we are the property owners and we are requesting the rezoning of the site we have raised cattle on the mississippi this morning real quick i hate her interrupt but we have to ask if you've been sworn you've been sworn yes i have yes thank you okay we have raised cattle on this property for decades however it is getting harder due to pilot countries encroaching development one of the residents mr garcia self-contracted an airplane hangar which concrete slabs that are just over two feet away from our fence line busting our six strand barbed wire fence twice while it was being constructed once allowing our cattle to escape with the potential to cause a hazard on the runway he never made us aware of the situation after multiple attempts to reach mr garcia we had to call their hoa president to express our concern mr garcia has a a lot that's over forty thousand square feet but he chose to build that close to our property line other residents have used our fence posts for target practice and others have broken our fence with falling limbs when they were having their trees trimmed at this point it seems haphazardous for us to continue to raise cattle on this property truman and i have spent most days over almost 50 years at our business here at gower's corner i can tell you the road traffic noise from state road 52 and u.s 41 is a great deal louder than

any noise that comes from the airport and no we do not see low flying planes and now it is time for us to do something different with this property and we would like to have the opportunity to develop it as we see fit we would like to ask for your approval on our rezoning application thank you very much thank you um next please the next person signed up um on webex is carolyn myers miss myers name and address for the record and if you've been sworn please i have not been sworn my name is carolyn myers and i've lived at 12 203 driver lane spring hill florida three four six one zero pilot country for 22 years okay we're going to have to um swear again again so if you just raise your right hand and uh the clerk will swear yet do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth so help you god i do thank you i am the retired county uh pasco county math teacher and pilot and my husband and i manage pilot country airport from 2011 to 2019. we also in those eight years got lots of calls about the sound and oh i think an airplane's going to crash into my house and i'm threatening a lawsuit and that kind of thing but no one has mentioned that the sound study that was done by the applicant was done during those three weeks when we had terrible flying weather we had thunderstorms almost every day clouds it was ifr hard to fly so i don't really think that that sound study is valid but at any rate i can say unequivocally that this proposed zoning change will jeopardize the function and safety of our airport this airport had an impact study done and it brings in loads of revenue believe it or not it seems quiet here but it is busy busy busy at times it provides a vital service to the pasco community in a case of disaster such as the fires that ravage the county when i moved here or hurricanes and tornadoes pilot country airport provides ready access for equipment and emergency supplies to be brought in quickly and for people to be evacuated in emergencies approving this requested zoning change would mean a depletion of our pasco county resources such as water foliage habitat for wildlife and would be a detriment to the pastoral and economic quality of life this proposed development would add about 200 automobiles to one of the most dangerous intersections in the county state road 52 and highway 41. it would add to the congestion and gridlock if you've been

here in the mornings and in the afternoons every day these two highways are congested and the intersection is a mess many accidents we the citizens of pasco county chose to elect pastor officials who would care for the health and safety of our community it would be incredibly irresponsible to care more for the developers that would destroy it thank you you developed your program um next please okay we have bob is it pro cassini bow pro cassini sir if you're on the live name and address for the record and if you've been sworn please uh no i have not been sworn my name is beau broccochini of 1173 pilot coaching drive okay sir please raise your right hand do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth so help you god i do thank you you may proceed thank you for the allow me the time to speak i am very much not in favor of the proposed rmh zoning and subdivision approximately only hundreds of feet west of our home not to mention directly underneath the pilot country's public use airport long time in fa established airport's traffic pattern area myself like most all others at pilot country community is perceiving this clear as the day is long to be an inappropriate and definitive example of incompatible land uses this phrase is commonly and repeatedly referred directly out of the fdot for department of transportation aviation office code statute 333 fs and foxtrot ss and sierra section 5 and i quote incompatible land uses around general aviation airports jeopardize the safety and the efficiency of flying activities and the quality of life of the community residents and quite frankly in all fairness this alone may be one of the many injustices to potential homebuyers of this proposed very densely populated community most people of pilot country have devoted their lifestyle to this flying community in protecting and preserving the longevity of this airport to include the value investment of their own personal homes and other responsibilities such as maintaining the airport to stringent faa standards for continuing airport safe operations to include individual recurring training frequent medical exams mandatory aircraft maintenance and so on this airport like many others is not only to benefit just pilots but also complements pasco county as an invaluable asset during potential and unusual circumstances such as already mentioned disaster

relief plans to coordinate with local officials and for instance more often than none to include ready air support with medical actions to interact with the already most obnoxious and jammed up intersection of 41 and 52 that has and still remains in my opinion and others to be one of the most dangerous intersections in the state of florida and you can bet apples to oranges that this proposed very densely populated community is not going to make this horrendous intersection any less life-threatening to passing motorists bicycles and or pedestrians in closing a final concerning matter in my opinion that should be deemed as highly important duly noted if not already done so this proposed very densely concentrated development is in cued to be constructed in the nearby vicinity of the heartbeat of florida's known sinkhole district spring hill and it would not at all take much imagination to visualize the geographical and favorable odds of a sinkhole catastrophe targeted in this proposed very densely populated development that could most likely trigger a funnel-like effect of high casualties and or loss of lice lives again in my opinion this is another possible injustice to potential home buyers that could in the event of

um been sworn police have not been sworn that name is craig saunders one one seven one one pilot country drive okay we're gonna swear again if there's anybody else on the line right now that was not sworn previously i need you to raise your right hand in addition to mr saunders and say i do at the end madam clerk do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth so help you god i do thank you sir and if there was anybody else hopefully you did the same mr saunders let's just start your time over again sir name and address to the record and you can say again if you've been sworn very good craig saunders 11711 pilot country drive and yes i have been sworn thank you sir all right mr chairman and uh and county commissioners i'd just like to reiterate the previous points everybody has made i think they're all legitimate especially the point about incompatibility of land use with florida statute 333 as we know that the the encroachment of residential areas always jeopardizes airports and it's kind of common knowledge with other pilots throughout the community that anytime residential areas start building up around airports it uh it impacts the airport with increased complaints and what i'd really like to say if we turned this whole situation around and we said if i wanted to build an airport and have it zoned in the middle of a residential area would that be approved and the answer to that's probably pretty obvious i think some of the main reason why pilot country was built uh so far away from hillsborough county up here in pasco when it was a agricultural community that's that's all the points i have to make just things to consider thank you thank you sir do we have anybody else on yes we have five more we have elisa or elisa uh speakman if speaking's on the line please um state your name and address for the record and if you've been sworn hello my name is eliza speakman my address is one one seven one pilot country drive spring hill florida three four six one zero i have been sworn in can you hear me yes we can thank you thank you my home was built in 1978 is directly abutting the proposed development i am one of those four homes that the person spoke of earlier i strongly disagree with the proposed change and zoning for the following reasons number one airports and residential neighborhoods are not compatible due to noise and other risk factors it's like having a nuclear power plant next to an elementary

residential next to residential but there's a difference between a 40-foot lot with a five-foot side setback and the one acre lots at pilot country estates this proposed zoning is not a down zoning the petitioner states that it is and that is misleading they are entitled to more than 600 square feet of commercial use on the site that commercial use is much more compatible with pilot country airport than the small lot dense residential that has been proposed by the petitioner and as one of the residents stated if you look at airports around the state and around the country they are surrounded by commercial use not residential rmh is a minimum lot size of only 4 000 square feet it's 60 percent smaller than the existing c2 zoning and the setbacks are much smaller the impacts of the proposed rezoning on the pilot country airport are greater than under a reasonable c2 development the petitioner does have the right to develop its property to its highest and best use however that right is not an automatic entitlement to the zoning change of the campbell's choosing or even to the most economically advantageous zoning the airport's zoning protection statute the recognized positive impact of pilot country airport the community service it provides to first responders military and disaster relief gives it an entitlement to a protection of its existence there are other commercial no that was that was six minutes i'm sorry we missed the one minute mark okay thank you um the next person um they disconnected so we have greg taylor mr taylor feeling the line uh name and address for the record and if you've been scored please my name is greg taylor my address is one two zero one two driver lane spring hill florida and i have been spawned thank you um i'd just like to to stress a couple of points that have already been brought up but i want to make them a little more clear so i i definitely have seen um throughout the country other airports get have their operations reduced and even get closed down due to residential properties being built around them until the point where the residential issues become more important than that airport and that airport being shut down and as somebody that has moved here in the last five years for this specific lifestyle both in terms of the size of the property and the type of property having pascal pasco trails next door and having large lots definitely is the reason i moved to pasco county um that that concerns me

and and obviously the airport um being being another big factor there um so i'm very concerned about the the rezoning and and and definitely against it um the other thing i want to point out is i want to make it clear that the pattern the highway in the sky that somebody was talking about a little bit earlier i want to make that clear that that pattern is is is a recommended pattern by the faa to pilots to fly it is the it is the correct if you will way to to approach an airport and and land safely and just me personally when i am taking place for to to keep my skills up and and to keep myself safe in a single day i can fly over that particular set of where those houses will be 10 times easily in a day just myself in my single airplane um and and i i you know my backyard is in the is in the pattern on on the other side and i see hundreds of planes a day and i love it but if i if i'm not into airplanes i'm not going to love that and i'm going to definitely complain um and i'm not going to be happy and it's not fair for those people that's all i have to say thank you thank you mr chairman anybody else clerk yes uh one last person signed up is on the call is mark and not 12th hoven i believe okay sir um if you're on the line name and address with the record if you've been sworn mark 12hoven11851 driver lane i have been sworn and i just want to strip for the record that i am here to be with several other individuals who have also registered to speak but they're using my computer which is paul prince apple sangsuk and gene neumram if i could carry on i had also asked for a powerpoint to be available of six pages if that is available to be shown otherwise yes thank you i show there my credentials because in the earlier talking of cindy trapantani she mentioned the expertise of sound measurement and i would assure you that i have my fair background in sound measurements next page please two pages down please um next page please the concerns for development i say number one is the noise the incompatible compatibility with the public use and the negative value of impact to existing homes as well as the financial impact i need to state i'm also the owner of the airport so therefore the impact to the airport ownership there was a comment made by ms

tarapani that i own multiple lots that is correct when i purchased the airport i also purchased several available lots with the intent which i'm doing now three homes are being built as i speak of value that are extremely high into the million dollar level so we are building high high level homes i also would like to comment that one of the photos that was being shown to you that is the existing landscape that in fact is my lot it's not looking towards the development it is looking to the wetlands of my other lot so these photos seem incompatible also regarding the noise measurements i would like to comment that the measurement that was being shown was landing traffic noise not take off traffic noise next slide please if i could go to the next slide yes the pilot country airport as well stated whilst it has a 46 year history the campbell family knows very well that it was their father who realized that this would be an airport that was his dream and it was dedicated to be an airport and that was the original intent that was actually the son-in-law of mr campbell's father that is currently trying to do the development that caused the airport to be developed if i could go to the next slide please basically we have here 53 homes 150 residents about 115 aircraft and we have this land on the left where you can see not the wetlands that is directly adjacent to our land and we are very worried about the impact of noise i'd like to go to the next slide please we did measurements on october 2nd and if you recollect there has been a diagram of noise we are getting 104 decibels on takeoff where the study is showing 65 decibels so we are 40 decibels higher than the theoretical study and that means that the noise level over the development is also much higher in summary i think we can go to the last slide if i could go to the very last slide then the others we've discussed the last slide please i think that probably um okay i want to ask you to vote against the zoning and not to allow it and to implement the florida statue 330 and 333 for compatibility zoning to have a buffer of 5 000 feet surrounding the airport for no residential development and to protect the economic contribution of pilot country airports thank you very much and if allowed i have additional people who registered to speak

so the clerk told me now there's more people signed up than well they're signed up they just are all on one connection additional people paul prince apple yes sir sir sir sir i have them listed and go through their names go ahead okay so um the first person i have is uh patricia foley you can state your name and address as well as if you've been sworn for the record okay time out for one second i'm seeing people still online that have already spoken is that what's what do we have are they in the same room is that what's going on yes sir uh he had stated that he had a bunch of other people with him to speak okay i just want to see i see okay so let me go again with the net the person that you just mentioned again they're not coming on foley my understanding is that she's with mr spencer breth okay you're going to need to mute something on your side you're causing the echo yeah i think somebody might be watching is not here okay okay um i can i can tell you who is here paul prince prayad apple sang suck and robert garcia [Music] are those people signed up so i have uh paul prince signed up um but i don't think i have the others i have patricia [Music] okay who do we have signed up and that's who we're going into next if they're online so next we have um joel oh sorry patricia foley and then we had joel i think it's your tino okay if joel is there with you no no paul prince okay so joel is not present and then the next person signed up is paul prince if mr prince is there name and address for the record if he's been sworn please hello my name is paul prince my address is 11649 pilot country drive spring hill florida three four six one zero and i have been sworn i know this uh zoning change i have been a pilot country resident for over 23 years i have 40 plus years in the airline industry i have a son who conducts flight instruction out of pilot country who will be increasing his number of students exponentially my experience at the airline in six different airports in my career leads me to a definite conclusion residential areas and airports do not mix well a given city or county will build an airport usually away from the metro area inevitably this will attract commerce which then attracts residential development without exception the residents will begin to complain about the noise from the aircraft my standout example is rsw field in fort

myers which was built way out of town in a swamp communities like gateway and fiddlesticks sprang up around the airport and then began to complain about the noise there are countless other examples around the world one of our residents has already been threatened on his doorstep by a nearby neighbor complaining about the noise his aircraft made while practicing maneuvers could have ended a lot worse than it did it's not a good mix for these two our county would be better served if this land remained agricultural or was developed commercially thank you for your time thank you the next i have on the list that has been identified with mr brass is pat somboon sap yeah she's here thank you name and address for the record and if you've been sworn please hello my name is pat it's up two nine six northwest 68th street fort lauderdale and one thank you you proceed okay um i do not live on the airport but i keep my airplane over here for over 20 years and i'm opposed of the development of the county purposes because if you allow more houses to be built around the airport there will be complaints for sure and i have seen this before i live right next to the airport myself at this time right now executive airport in fort lauderdale and they tried that once you know the land developed over time you know people complain and it's not coexisted and i think if you're gonna let you know anybody build anything you need to allow the airport to continue its operation meaning you have to keep safe distance from housing approaching the end of the runway departure in the runway clear this needs to be a certain code and restriction you know enforced allowed or airport to be you know staying in business we need airport in the future i don't think um you know airplane will be into the future and not you know driving you know anytime you restricting flying would be bad for the you know continuity for future uses and so if you're gonna develop anything it needs to be followed you know strictly closely to co-assist with the airport because airport's been here for over 40 years thank you thank you sir thank you the next person that is signed up with mr brass is vicki taylor tony now just named after the record if you've been sworn please no she's not here okay uh the next person i have signed up with mr brass is

matthew wallace wallace is there name and address to the record if he's been sworn please he might have his own connection it might show up he's not online he's not online with us next please okay um the last one i have i believe is with mr uh tolfhoven which is preyad nomingram it's p-r-a-y-a-d last name n-o-u-m-n gentleman's there name and address the record and if he's been sworn please my name is 11628 fire country spin hill three four six one zero i am afraid of approaching airport is zoning i don't want development okay okay well thank you that's all we have okay that does it for who we have um signed up um if we could go ahead and click clear the queue except for the applicant for rebuttal now before we go to the commission questions the applicant does have time to rebut him or by the way can you hear me yes thank you very much i want to go through some of the items um that you've heard and tell you a little bit more about some of those things for example this property sits in the ror uh land use designation which allows 24 units per acre so the comp plan's vision for this property is between three to 24 acres unlike somebody that testified that said that we're 10 units per acre the density proposed is 3.9 units per acre so you can see we are in the lower end between 3 and 24. that's your comprehensive plan that sets it with the division being 24 units per acre we're also in the central market area the pasco trails and some of the other projects you heard about with the lower density are in the north market area so when you did the comprehensive plan amendments in 2008 as a result of the uli recommendations you picked market areas and this is the market area where you've said you want to have more density you've heard jim mcbride probably one of the most eloquent statements i've ever heard of pulling together all the facts regarding gower's corner and it being the jewel i think he's lived there he knows it he has a division for it the vision is the same in line with the vision that you have set in your central market area where the essence of what the ror land use category says retail office residential we are the residential component this piece of property is not adjacent to the intersection of 52 and 41 it's separated by wetlands we'll make a great development being surrounded by the wetlands it is

not a commercial property it's not viable for commercial property as ms tarapini has said significant public investment made in this location which supports the density requested it's very important that you make sure that you put density where you've made your investment water and sewer is at the front door you have millions and millions and millions of dollars of transportation improvements being made to the intersection of 41 and 52 all the way down improvements all the way down to multi lane 52 all the way down to the suncoast parkway and down to the area where mosfet is going to be improvements being made to uh 41 thousand 52. so it's absolutely consistent what we're proposing with with your vision and the comprehensive plan the mpud versus the rmh there's no substance to that saying that there's something wrong with the rmh district we have provided deed restrictions um that staff has requested and required there was no review that was avoided i can just say that emphatically i'm aware that there's no review that was avoided by following a zoning district first when you're zoning district versus umpd you heard over and over about values and affecting values we filed the affidavits actually hired an appraiser to look at that issue because we know that that's often said by residents with no expertise so we have appraiser frank a countless professional opinion affidavit in the record the development of the campbell subdivision as proposed will not create any adverse impact on market values of pilot country estates he mentions it's well buffered this project does not drive through pilot country estates and pilot country states does not drive through this project this project is accessed off the use of us-41 pilot country estates is accessed off 52 access points are nowhere near each other there is no statutory protection other than the required faa approvals that protect um the air space obstructions we have received the faa approvals that we will not obstruct airspace in violation of any requirements and we also have uh there's no statutory mandate that requires denial and you can check with your county attorney's office because i've had conversations with mr goldstein about the statute the property is not located within a runway protection zone the attorney her for the airport owner has misstated that to you a couple times again she's an attorney i'm not trying to state anything that's not in the record um all of everything i say to you is

backed up by a report by an expert with that substantial competent evidence just because the attorney said it doesn't make it's true and for example is not in the runway protection zone if you look at mr thompson's affidavit the project it's important our project's not adjacent to the airport residential construction continues a pilot country estate adjacent to the airport you just heard the airport owner admitted that he's the very one doing residential construction next adjacent to the airport but then everybody testifies that residential is not compatible with airport activities but the airport owner himself is doing residential construction and continues that to this day there are already 35 homes adjacent pilot country estates adjacent to the airport that are within that 65 dnl noise contour where the federal regulations say that residential is not compatible so half the homes in pilot country states are within the noise contour where the federal federal regulations say they're not compatible so that's the noise they're experiencing in their own homes we have a noise study that we put in the record we followed an accepted methodology but our expert did the dnl is the only acceptable method to determine land use compatibility so it's it's apples to apples the airport owner is responsible for the information that was given to faa and fdot that mr thompson relied upon and used you noticed the airport owner did not make an issue with the data that our expert used because he's the responsible one to report it the you heard from let me just have one more thing about the airport noise we also had a noise study um go out on site a noise crew to go on site and you've heard a little bit of that about that from miss terrapini motorcycles traveling along 41 or 60 62.6 dba a takeoff from the runway that occurred while they were there was 61 which is less than the motorcycles you had a cessna 172 which is one of the larger and more frequent planes to use this type of airport we came overhead while our noise crew was out there that event an event measured 56.5 these are actually at the property and keep in mind that our noise crew was standing out and not in a structure just standing out on the property the um as ms campbell said who's the direct you know witnesses liz has lived on the property in this area she said road traffic noise is much more of an impact than the airport noise

she doesn't see low flying planes over the property we have examples of tampa north tampa arrow park and hidden lake are also airports within the county north tampa arrow park has residential they coexist they've coexisted for a long time we've got seven oaks you've got lexington oaks many subdivisions that are around including the substitution directly adjacent to north tampa arrow park i would take issue direct issue with the statements made by the attorney on behalf of the airport owner regarding west pasco executive airport that is my client my client owned that property i have specifically spoke to the client and he said he did not shut down the airport because of any homeowner incompatibility any kind of noise issues or lawsuits he clearly shut it down because he wanted to develop it for a different use so anybody to say to the contrary that that's somehow an example of what'll happen here when it didn't happen there and it hasn't happened at north sample air park um is just uh misleading i have my team available i don't we've been at this for a while we're we're happy to answer any questions um but um but i'm happy to summarize on their behalf because i have spent lots of time with them and lots of time with their reports and their affidavits all right thank you miss will height no it's back to the board i asked staff so listen to the um speakers earlier um i got to thinking them like well where i live is right like the north tampa arrow park and the planes do fly over my subdivisions on a daily basis obviously pretty low um you know i have kids so when they fly over we kind of get a kick out of it and they get a kick out of it but i and i just want to use this as an example once i thought about it i'll be honest with you i mean it does not bother us i mean the airport there was there long before our subdivision was there and um you know we knew it was there so if you i don't know if we could zoom in so if you you can see the there's the subdivision there's 75 in the in the flight pattern goes right over that subdivision in our houses and then you have the you have the adjacent homes on both sides of that airstrip and then you have lexington oaks it's funny the applicant just mentioned that but that was just something i was thinking when i was hearing the speakers earlier about noise complaints and things i mean i'm not saying that by no means am i saying it doesn't happen i mean it very well could happen and i believe but they said it does happen

i i i've lived in my neighborhood since 2007 and i have not heard of one person in my neighborhood ever complaining about the planes flying over we actually had one of those empty fields this came up to us one time where the hospital is being built and that's where the um the folks in them the makeshift uh parachute little one cedar plains things were taken off and on and they would like almost skim our houses but and that's where they're hot air balloons they might complain i mean i've never heard anybody complain about it but so just my thought was if they're gonna build a new neighborhood there um then folks moving into that new neighborhood would would be very very aware that there's an airport right next to it and i did ask this question to the applicant because again it was a concern of mine and i asked the app can i go okay well what are you doing or what's the applicant doing to make sure even though they should be able to tell considering it's on the same road um what are you going to do to make sure that the possible residents of that or the purchasers of that of homes in that community know about the airport wasn't there you're muted your meeting i could i can add to that uh chairman um we'll not only have it in our sales contracts that were next to an airport uh for actually near an airport but actually next to the airport but unlike tala verde we actually have recorded a deed restriction it's going to go every house when it's sold we'll see the deed restriction on their title and see the reference to what's required what's requiring the initial sales contracts so it is different than the television experience because in this regard we've agreed to uncover the property with a deed restriction that will come up all over time when anybody uh post title okay well that's important because i think you know obviously the residents that were on with us today hopefully that would make them feel at ease that that's taking place um something else that i think was mentioned and i just wanted to ask um not the advocate but staff or miss hernandez if you can answer that um one of the or not i think it was maybe two of the speakers spoke about um wells but from my understanding this is not going to be this community is not going to be on wells it's actually county sewer and water which would not obviously have any effect now water and sewer lines are available to the property okay so it'll be county water and sewer and the applicant can verify that but water and sewer is available to the oh is that true

miss will height this is county water that is correct it's out the front door along 41. okay just to make sure because i know that's one of the things that they mentioned and just one more thing i heard um i heard some people stating that about property values because of the size of homes um again it's not the same community it's a separate community um even though i do appreciate those statements i would disagree with that i i disagree because of firsthand knowledge of a master plan community where i live that has anywhere from um villas um to townhouses um that you know we're in the maybe the 200 000 range to houses for over a million dollars and they're they about each other so um i don't think there's any words and that's in the same actual community you know sharing the same roads and commercial wise i have another question um currently it's owned commercial they could build a home depot absolutely they can build a home depot they could build a walmart walmart build uh mcdonald's they can build yeah high height traffic could yeah i want to make sure that the people that were on the call today and understand that and 60 feet in height whereas residential is limited to 35 and how high how high 60 feet is the maximum height i would think that could affect a flight pattern if there's a 60 foot high building there the the structures they're proposing i believe um according to what was submitted to the faa for the does not exceed obstruction 30 feet is what they're proposing okay okay so that would be that would i mean that's what i would be concerned about commercial then traffic wise a commercial development like that would obviously have a quite a bit more traffic than a hundred and something um home residential um area um because wow i mean because you if you're allowed to have that commercial product there of that magnitude and that size that's gonna be quite a bit more traffic than a hundred and something homes that's just things i was thinking about but i don't think again i mean i you know small houses i mean like houses i grew up in where we didn't affect our neighbors i i grew up in a house less than a thousand square foot and the second one i think was 1500 square foot so um we all turned out okay yes commissioner oakley to add to what you're saying um this residential area they they enter an exit onto 41 which is to the west of pilot

country pilot country exits on and off from 52. i thought i heard someone and miss willow you can correct me if i was wrong but i thought i heard two or three people state that this new commercial or residential property was in line with the takeoff and landing on on pilot country which i think pilot country has set up their runway is set up north and south and this property sits to the west of that so i don't understand why they were making that statement but there's not planes you know taking off for landing across this residential area that we're talking about that's correct that's correct mr oakley we're well west of the runway protection zones as uh identified by our expert his affidavit absolutely not in a runway protection zone well that's i mean it's just a uh i think it's a good project but it's you know they have to understand they're going to sign off on every contract and every property they're going to know they're near that airport and like i say i hear airplanes no matter where you are your airplanes fly over pretty much all day long somewhere so it's not a real issue as far as i was turning so i mentioned marianne thank you mr and i got a few questions um first of all as we look at the agenda item planning commission recommends 5-0 um usually when that comes in or used to be where that was the recommended staff recommendation i don't see we're doing it now now we're doing the choice of war the staff recommendation was done before or to this any any reason for that change um i could provide the reason absolutely so when the planning commission made the recommendation planning commission looked at specifically talavera which is um it's a developed subdivision that has 60 to 80 foot wide lots but didn't look at all the other entitlements that are in the area so that's that's why staff recommends approval because it is consistent with entitled properties in the area so they weren't given the same information commission to further on that plan and development made a recommendation to the planning commission that recommendation doesn't change with the planning commission's recommendation and so their recommendation is still what you see today regardless of what the planning commission made so the reason reason you see two is the plan commission made a different recommendation than what your planning department staff recommendation was oh i understand so we didn't change the planning department's

recommendation i understand what i'm saying is it used to be that the the prevalent one would be the latter one would would be the clinton commission would then become the staff recommendation even if it didn't change but that's how it'd be presented and i'm just saying something completely definitely we haven't been consistent about that commissioner yeah over the years years ago that's what we used to do and i've never seen it i've never seen a 5-0 switch to going the other way without well part of it was in past it would have may not have been the plan commission but the drc which was a different body which in affected was the county administrator and the other assistant county administrators which would then change the planning department's recommendations so that's another reason why you see disconnect and we don't have the drc anymore all right look at that okay yeah i believe the drc was considered staff therefore the change so it would be a staff looking at recommendations um anyway like i said it was just unique for me to see that and i've never seen it go that way all right so let me ask a question um flower statues they were quoting 3301 have we not done something we should do as far as putting an audience in place about airport protection zones is that the right one is that the right number so i think the question you're asking about is airport zoning regulations so as you may recall the board of county commissioners put together an airport zoning commission or approved the putting together of an airport zoning commission in 2017 and we have we met the airport zoning commission met in december of that year so of 2017 this was done in june of 2017 when the board adopted airport zoning commission we met in december of 2017 we met in i'm sorry november 2017 we met in january of 2017. we met in march of 2017 and we met in may of 2017. we have draft airport zoning regulations um we're waiting on a couple of things we're waiting on the guiding principles which is the cop plan to be brought forward and that will hopefully happen the first part of 2021 and we also need to get a consultant to do airport uh um noise contouring so but there there are uh draft regulations put together just haven't been adopted by the by the board of county commissioners yet so if we did take them in and we had that protection zone of five thousand square five thousand feet in each runway would this have get no that that's not accurate i think what you're talking about is runway protection zone

and um as well hydex has explained that according to her expert it's not within the runway protection zone and that's a defined term so when they say the 5 000 feet on each runway side i'm not familiar with what that means i apologize don't know what that 5 thousand feet from mr walhoff hoffen not sure where he got that information that's i think his request that that's what he would like to have to establish a 5 000 foot protection area around the airport i believe that's what he said in his presentation you have 52 where's the so i don't know how you can you can there's a highway there uh before i go further let me let me just say that i did meet with the applicant um the county attorney the attorney that is and i also uh did mr campbell um a little bit a little bit before all this um otherwise where i got my boots great so that's the boots up there he's got on 41. uh very nice very nice man all right next next question so the study validity um when i look at the decibel readings that they used um it shows that they use decimal 51 for the plane taking off uh the owner seems to contradict that where the first in in the letter i see from the attorney kimberly carroll from pennington she states the number should have been used was 92 decibels uh the owner the 12th hoven says it should have been like 100 would be a number and sometimes a takeoff would be 104. um how valid is the study compared to what we're hearing especially when it doesn't include anything about helicopters which if the pasco sheriff's out there and i think they used to be over on the other side so they must have moved here at some point so with those numbers and the differences you know should that study be relooked at to see if it's valid i believe that um the applicant has the expert available to answer those questions i'm not a noise expert okay anything else commissioner well i'd like to get that answer first oh okay you wanna i didn't know if they're fine this is barbara i'm just trying to i'm just trying to understand what the question is we've had somebody went out on site on our property and our noise crew went outside on our property with the correct calibrated machines by an expert and recorded what occurred when they were at the property at this subject property and those are in your records and those are the numbers that i reference the the property owner excuse me the airport owner and their attorney um

i don't know what i don't know what basis the attorney is for anything the attorney's saying because they didn't represent the experts but for the property owner the airport owner i don't know where he was he wasn't said he was on his our property that he was on his property so i think that might be the discrepancy between what you're seeing between what happened on our property and what he is saying when it's up on his property um did that answer not really because i think when i looked at a map it showed the runway decibel number was like 65 and again if they're saying it's either 92 100 104 it's a significant difference so it may be an expert that did i'm not i'm not doubting what the expert found when they did their study i'm just saying with what is used and they talked about uses as well that may not have been accounted for when the study was done if these numbers are not significantly different even though it's a qualified person who put the statistic in front of us are they accurate compared to what's going on in reality so the 65 is a dbl and that is a noise metric that's a date tuesday daylight dnl date night uh average day night average and that is the metric that the faa uses for applying the federal regulations on land use compatibility so we've also got a lot of apples and oranges going on here you've got measurements are being taken they're different from by the airport owner with whatever whatever he's using that are different from the metric that the noise expert is using based upon faa required dnl so you can't take the statute that talks about 65 dnl and apply a different noise metric so you have to do the dnl which is a noise metric that's adopted by the faa and used everywhere for land use compatibility in the federal regulations so i think you've got apples and oranges going on the data that my expert used was the data from the um the noise study we have the on-site noise study and then we have the noise study by mr thompson the data that was used was the data from the airport as reported to the faa but that's the data we use that's the data we have and he had did not testify today that he questioned that data so because he reported that i imagine that's why he didn't all right so on on page two of the pennington kimberly crowley law letter to the pasco county commission number argument number one it says airport noise study dated august 11th 2020 and relied upon by the planning and development departments

based upon estimates and predictions and did not conduct actual noise readings of a single noise exposure level it then goes on to say um it does have daily helicopter traffic and the reading measurements indicate close to 92 db i assume that's decibels um and it didn't re it wasn't reflective of actual noise levels that occur during peak noise events as indicated below it just seems to contradict what you're saying to what the study is saying and go ahead and respond to that well i'm saying what the expert says i don't know what she's relying upon for her um her statement i have you know affidavits in a noise study and what i'm saying is that he explained the difference between dnl and the single noise of events and dnl is what's required by the faa for noise studies for land use compatibility because the federal regulations that you use are in dnl so you have to do a dnl to then use the federal regulation to say okay once you use dnl what where is the contour and where is that in the compatibility in the in their federal regulations so so when i look at age 23 of the report that you're citing it talks about planes landing at pilot country planes taking off at pilot country and planes directly over a rezoning site it significant differences in decimal readings and it doesn't include the helicopters even at all why wouldn't why wouldn't the society state helicopter take helicopter ratings you're talking about this study by uh mr alperts that was um based upon the field noise uh measurement no um well i'm talking about the one that was submitted by cynthia terrapini okay well we have there's mr alpert that his company went out and did the field noise and we have mr thompson's report um and that's the dnl um compatibility report so which one is it it's on page 23. so it's on page 23 it was submitted to us it says summary of sound levels on rezoning site excerpt of table 1 of av technical member miranda barbara that's in my report maybe i can add a couple of comments if that's possible go ahead so yes sir um chairman mariano the pages that you're recommending you're referencing is in my report on page 23 and it references the second study that we did prepared by mr alberts of kb environmentalists and gentlemen with education and experience in sound measurement for over 30 years what he did was measure the sound that

you could hear on the rezoning site what mister and those number and on page 23 i just excerpt some of them but you can clearly see that many of them are below ambient noise the takeoff is the loudest that it's at 61 decibels measured heard on the rezoning site it's really not clear where mr tulhaven is measuring this but based on the photograph that he provides where he's showing 104 it looks like he's measuring it standing on the runway well our site is 880 feet away from the runway so that's truly comparing apples and oranges the correct way to do it is to say what sound do you hear on the rezoning site that's what mr alberts did that shows that there's no sounds above the 65 decibels and in fact background noise traffic noise is approaching the decibel sound same as or similar to very similar to the takeoff i hope that explains a little better all right but cindy the question goes back to with what even was cited there and what's what's been read there's nothing about helicopters which seem to be louder any reason those helicopters weren't inside the reason the reason is mr mariano is that the day the two days they took the sound level measurements there weren't any helicopters taking off or landing at the airport so um they could only measure what happened and that's what they did um you know it's you're not aware of all the operations of the airport and when helicopters do and don't come they did measure on two days and just happened on those two days that helicopters didn't occur but again yes a little helicopter generate noise yes it will but it also gets off the runway a whole lot quicker than an airplane does at least when i hear them they seem to get away pretty quickly but again if it's peak noise and that's the data we're going to use it should be to me it should be part of the study um and i guess i'll you know i will i will say that you know sometimes it's tough when you have compatibility issues that can affect i have heard that with the tampa executive airport that there were parts of reasons where people were complaining about the noise why that was going away um you know sometimes people have can't control what goes on right next to them i can see where they're trying to protect what they've got um i don't know i have trouble with this one well and i can see your point of being one that's why was you know me personally i just was asking those

questions earlier just to you know they stated they got the faa approval i just but commissioner stark you had some yeah first of all i want to tell you that because i know the story very very well about the airport well the west pasco airport um so i was sad to see it go but when they widened 54 they got a chunk of the runway and it made it too short for most planes to land so it left only the littlest tiniest ones uh the ability for them to take off so that's that's why that airport went away um um as commission as uh the chairman said we heard the objections of water drawn down but this is uh county water sewer already um i look i look at the compatibility issues and all around it are communities that are being developed with smaller lots than what are in pilot country um i look i'm looking at pilot country i don't think i've ever driven in there but it looks like they do look like beautiful homes and i think it's great that we have a community like pilot country and um i certainly want it to continue and prosper but when i look at the runway it's north south not east west so i don't see how they'd be landing on going over these houses unless they totally miss the runway hopefully they're not doing that um uh so i'm inclined to vote yes um but i do want the stipula i do want a few things uh when i read what the applicant is saying that they will put in in the deed restrictions it says you that they acknowledge there is an airport but they don't say i think if it's legal it should say you can't complain about it um because that just takes it a little step further because no one should be allowed to complain to buy a home near an airport and then complain about the airport i mean that's just common sense i agree and so i'm not sure if the restrictions are going quite um deep enough and um and so i appreciate the people living in pilot country want to continue to have the lifestyle that they have and i think they should be allowed to but i don't think that that their lifestyle at pilot country tells all the landowners around them what they can do with their land so um so those are my thoughts so um commissioner wells is on the line and he's had some questions i think commissioner wells can you hear me thank you chairman um i don't really have any questions i mean there's been a lot of back and forth and i've

shaped everyone's time from from our county staff to everybody at pilot country and otherwise but i tend to agree with staff on this and so i will vote in favor of it thank you country is a great community and you know i drive by it quite often and uh beautiful homes like you said commissioner starkey and again that's why i think we wanted to some of us ask those questions we wanted to ask those questions to make sure that it would not have a truly detrimental effect like the faa approval and and um indeed the type of restrictions that um the applicant was stating that would go along with that and that this i guess you could say the disclaimer actually which is probably the most important thing um of the knowing that there is an airport next to him but again i just go back to personally again you know i i'm in line with an airport in a very similar um circumstance where they literally have to fly we are in their flight pattern to land and i just don't hear any complaints from the residents of my neighborhood commissioner mary i had something else yeah miss jim we were you there when they had the helicopters from the sheriff's office there was i where i think they didn't they used to have helicopters out the air park they might i mean i they might i mean i hear helicopters constantly because we're right by 75 too so i can't tell you what's are just the normal helicopters that go up and down 75 on a regular basis um because we there's helicopters that we see them every day i just don't i cannot answer if they're landing or not landing it at airport but no actually no wait wait wait they are helicopters there because i remember when we were at yes there are it was a few months ago we were at um quite a few months ago before covid we were at the um we you there too i think somebody else was there one of the commissioners i think was there the pharmaceutical company was doing their um was doing their ribbon cutting that day and they're in com park which is next to the runway on the other side of the air of that park and we watched the helicopter come in so yes i can't tell you if that's permanently there but there was a helicopter there that day because we were watching it take off if i could just one point i i want to say that you know in looking at this at first i hadn't hadn't heard from the residents out there uh and i didn't talk with staff about it when i first started going from commercial to residential i wasn't comfortable with it i got a

little more comfortable when i saw that it was going to be less trips for traffic in the area and then looking at the small lots i didn't think because it was tied next to it it was going to be a factor the only trouble i have right now was us not passing our ordinance that we started three years ago to now and not knowing whether they did actually the readings whether they're accurate with what i've heard from the residents there including the owner who spent quite a bit of money uh in developing the property and i've always thought that there could be a very very valuable airport it is a very valuable output it could be even better if they were even able to expand whatever and i just would hate to impede on what they're doing out there to improve that area and if you live right in the runway you've got a plane guess what you're going to be used to it if you're living it right next door the people that come in there kind of like when people are building next to areas we have cypress trees in their backyard i think that maybe we've shown that they weren't going to flood out well if we don't do the right studies and make sure we're using the right data and we let people move in there and the noise is louder than what we thought was then you know that's going to fall back on us later on so that's why i would have my discomfort to pass it the way it is right now commissioner oakley yes um i feel they've given us the good records on the decimal point i think they've taken it from the property that we're talking about rezoning and i think it's accurate when it came up with the one that was so on the picture they showed and all seemed like they were on the runway i don't know if they were or not but the rezoned property is to the west of that property and i think you got a true reading of the decimal point i feel comfortable with that that reading from that distance and at the same time it has to cross over land through buildings and some trees and all to get to this commercial i mean residential property so um so i feel good about um the information they've given us on this yes and again the north south uh route i feel there's no planes landing or taking off over this residential area and i feel very comfortable with that um uh i'm also mindful of the fact that pilot country has been there and it's important that they will have their lifestyle along with others and i'd want to protect that for them in the future so that nobody comes in moves in and and tells them no they can't have an airport there anymore because we've just

moved in you see that so many times in a lot of different areas on residential people that just move in they don't want the neighbors to the side of them or another location close to them not to have what they have and we see that all the time so the fact of it is is is i feel comfortable with that i i think there's um the fact that the applicant is going to have to on put these restrictions on the deed that people are buying and have to actually quote it and tell them you're buying your airport you're going to hear the sound of airplanes and you can't do anything about it i think stands for reason that i feel comfortable that everybody that buys in there will understand the pilot country's there and their ability to have their right to have their plans in their homes and with that i didn't move to approve second so i got a motion second just a quick discussion too and just thinking about the noise thing again i go back to the commercial side again i again have that fear if you have a home depot or a walmart or something like that there you know that could actually i think caused them noise issues next door whereas a residential committee i think it's a vice versa situation and then what kind what type of commercial if it's if it's office there could be office there and i think those people would be almost more apt in that setting in an office setting a professional setting to be upset when they're on conference calls and having meetings and things like that that's a situation you can run into so again looking at all sides great community and stuff but i have a motion in second mr chairman yes sir i need you for purposes as a record um commissioner wells have you been on because we can't i can't tell from my screen have you been on to listen to all of the public comment for this for this hearing yes i have sir i've been on for the entire p8 yes okay thank you that's all i need to know for the purposes of the record thanks thanks and i have a motion a second by commission with discussion briefly i'll say that um again this is a difficult one as far as the back side back and forth um when it comes to the property whose rights to develop the property how he thinks is best i think one thing that's clear and i want to make sure i make the statement for the record as well for the people and pilot country that we don't think the divide i don't think the developments coming in is going to

affect their property values i don't think it's going to affect their quality of life and as long as we know that we're not going to shut down pilot country from any expansion or any other improvements because all these people going to buy buyer beware you know what you're going on pilot country's going to be able to keep going keep thriving without a negative impact to them and i'll be comfortable to support the motion so you swung me commercial oakley so motion i have i do have to do a roll call because i have one commissioner online so i have a motion by commissioner hopefully i have a second by commissioner starkey madam clerk please call the roll district 1 commissioner oakley aye district 3 commissioner starkey aye district 4 commissioner wells aye district 5 commissioner mariano aye district 2 chairman moore aye motion passes 5-0 thank you thank you and with that ladies and gentlemen mr chairman yeah well we're not we're not doing any after stuff yeah we're going to i'm going to respond bring that up october 20th okay yep go ahead we're going to okay that cra issue october 20th october 20th yes it's like just two things i know i i gotta go just real quick though um uh mr biles you're gonna have the answer to my wife lauren for itself i i want you to take a close look at the yak center over in beacon woods uh i got an email i've gotten several emails about it but they had tents out i sent you the video earlier this week uh they got tents out there they had videos going on out there that are very uh disruptive to what's going on the people are polluting the river that's out there we need to go take a look to make sure on sunday when they put tents out there we have somebody out there to go cite them if they're going to go out there and not run the events that they're running out there on the open side check out this site as well and last thing if i could at the next meeting i know we didn't get into the discussion but i actually thought we might see a presentation i do want to see a presentation on the mass go against the latest data from when i see the data is going down i get a lot of people that are not upset schedule and we open turn it yeah that's supposed to be let's schedule that update on the 20th or the 20th yep i'm going to turn if you guys want to talk is that okay oh my god [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music]

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