09.21.2020 Board of County Commissioners (BCC) Hybrid Virtual Meeting

uh good morning everybody i'd like to call to order the hybrid virtual pasco county border county commission meeting of september september 21st 2020. i'd like to also remind everybody to please silence all electronic devices and muture microphones if you're not speaking at this time can we please rise from the application pledge oh merciful creator your hand is open wide to satisfy the needs of every living creature make us thankful for your loving providence and grant that we remembering the account that we must one day give may be faithful stewards of your good gifts amen amen pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic which stands one nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice for all madam clerk please call the roll district one commissioner oakley district three commissioner starkey [Music] mr starkey i need you to mute your phone please mute your phone please thank you okay district here district 4 commissioner wells here district 5 commissioner mariano here district 2 chairman moore here now is the time for public comments citizens are given an opportunity to come out on any island coming for the board during the public comment section the pub the board also takes public comment items to be placed on our future board agenda or other business on their purview do the cobia 19 operation to safeguard the well-being and safety of our citizens and staff today's public comment will be handled differently first we'll take public comment from those that we have pre-registered for our webex link and are currently in queue after we read into the public comments documents powerpoints or videos that have been identified by members of the public to be read out loud play at the meeting or received and filed finally we will take public comment for those currently signed up for the kiosk stations comment or not to it exceed three minutes this new format does not waive the request that when you address the board comments are not directed personally against any commissioner team member but rather director of the issues this provides a mutual respect between the board members and the public for webex and kiosk participants after setting your name and address for the clerk the timer will be activated we'll start a countdown after two minutes one beep will sound letting you know that only one minute remains after the time is up two beeps will sound indicating then three minutes are up and you should close your comments

webex participants will be disconnected when their time is up and kiosk's participants will be moved away from the kiosk and before we move on i've asked mr steinstein to please go over the proceedings with today's bcc be happy to mr chairman on march 20th 2020 governor desantis issued executive order 2069 which recently has been extended by executive order 2193 which suspended any florida statute that requires a quorum to be present in person or requires a local government entity to meet in a specific public place however the board has chosen to hold this board meeting with a forum physically present utilizing communications media technology for the for the public and team members to participate a detailed advertisement was run in the tampa bay times indicating the board's intent to conduct a hybrid virtual meeting even with executive order 2112 the governor's safe smart step-by-step order large gatherings of over 50 people are not recommended to congregate in any public place that does not readily allow for public appropriate social distancing the state surgeon general on july 20th 2020 issued a public health advisory indicating individuals should refrain from participation in social and recreational gatherings of more than 10 people based on this the conduct of a regular meeting would certainly not meet the spirit or intent of these orders the public has been afforded an opportunity to make public public comments either in writing or by the use of communications technology that has been provided the board has adopted resolution 2182 on june 30th 2020 establishing the procedural rules for hybrid virtual meetings such as the one being held today as with any meeting that you take action you are required to take public comment on any proposition pursuant to section 286.0114 florida statutes i'm available for any questions thank you mr stein snyder madam clerk um before we move to the kiosk do we have anybody that's pre-registered to speak or any emails to read into the record or receive a file one gentleman had pre-registered through the webex link but he is not connected and we did have quite a number of emails for file only okay we do have three people at the kiosk great so we will go ahead and move on to the kiosk and for the folks at the kiosk once we pull you up i will need you to state your name and address for the record please and you will have three minutes to speak to this board we can go ahead with the first person please lega states my address is 3215

huntington road and i am here today to express my concern on the mass mandate prior to that i just want to say good morning to you all i've sent a few emails to probably all of you i haven't heard a response back yet um but i'm here talking to tracy and i just spoke to mr biles briefly so i'm hoping today we'll answer all my questions after today i have been a resident here in pasco county since december 2005 i am a proud president here in pasco county i do appreciate all the work you all do uh kathleen's and john mariano i see you with the community all the time and i just want to let you know i i greatly appreciate that um my concern with the masks is that um there are consequences to wearing masks as well so my preference for that my concern is for the businesses here in our community and i just want to make sure that you know you all are getting the right science data facts information like from what i understand you get that from the board of health i just want to make sure i i want to know or if you keep it a required mass mandate i want to know all the information that you all use to get that to come to that decision and that's really um basically all i have i just want answers to questions and i'm hoping to get that today after today's meeting and i want to see the supporting documentation again the science the data the facts the information that you all use the sources of information that you've used to come up with your final decision on what you all decide to do with the mask because that's important to me because there's a lot of information out there and a lot of doctors across the country that have a different view and experience in education on the mass use thank you thank you next please hi hi name and address for the record please i don't give out my address because i'm a guardian but i am living in gulf harbors my name is carolee schmidt i'm the wife of a 28 year veteran in the army i hope that is okay i can't pass it on to jack later if that's okay just go ahead if you're exempt that's fine you're exempt yeah that's fine you're good thank you i am here today because i have many children that i would love to visit but i can't because i can't wear a mask due to many many medical issues if you notice i wear a medic alert because i have black and now trying to

wear a mask fractured my arm my ankle had a black eye this is really hard for people with medical conditions to be forced to wear masks i can't get my daughter an x-ray because they demand i put a mask on not a shield she has scoliosis it's not fair to all of us i could see it being highly recommended but forced especially with people with ada issues it's not fair it's not bad to us i have spoken numerous times to jack and kathy and others and it's like well i don't know what i could do for you please help me let me be a mom let the other people who have medical issues be a mom they should not be forced on us you also stated dan biles on august 26 that the numbers kept coming down that you would look at changing the mass mandate to highway recommendation the numbers are going down they're really down why are we still being forced thank you and we're gonna um just since um the speaker asked the questions we're gonna a lot of those will be answered today during the um presentation from um mike napier which is the director of the florida department of health pasco office and in addition he can we can also speak about if you have medical issues how you're not required to wear that mask and he can go into more details in that presentation shortly that way your questions will be answered ma'am thank you is there anybody else signed up to speak i think we had three correct one more okay great and hi hello sir can i have your name and address for the record please absolutely good morning bill vice president and chief operating officer with tyndale oliver and i'm here today to talk briefly about agenda item c93 which is a task order between pasco county public transportation and tyndale oliver basically just want to say that we as tyndale oliver as a long-term partner with pasco county appreciate work we've done together over the past 25 years we appreciate the potential opportunity that this task order represents i just wanted to mention that this is a key service area that our firm office offers throughout florida and throughout the united states and i'm here in the lobby today should the board have any questions for me as the consultant for thank you for your time thank you sir we appreciate it i'm going to ask one more time anybody else that's walked up there's nobody else at the kiosk okay great thank you so much

okay that does it for public comment ladies and gentlemen we'll move on to the constit consent agenda i do have a pull sheet um i have eight items on that pull sheet would any of the commissioners like to pull anything else at this time yes mr chairman c-20 okay sir so c-20 give me one second here any other items commissioners no more items chairman i was gonna pull c93 but kurt's already pulled it so i you know i had plans on pulling it but i'll discuss it when kirk gets up there okay thank you anything else i'll entertain a motion for the remainder of the consent agenda so moved by i'm sorry commissioner starkey did you have something you wanted to pull i don't have the i don't have the list of polls was c94 c-944 um c94 is not pulled did you want to pull c94 yeah c94 is now pulled okay now let me ask for that motion one more time i think commissioner oakley made it if you can do it again got moved for uh all the rest of the consent items okay second motion by commissioner oakley second by commissioner wells madam clerk please call the wrong district one commissioner oakley aye district three commissioner starkey aye district four commissioner wells aye district five commissioner mariano aye district two chairman moore all right mostly passes 5-0 we will go ahead and start with c7 or mr stein snyder mr chairman c7 uh is a request for additional purchasing authorization for lewis longman and walker who is outside counsel for ridge road you all have a strikethrough and underline version the revised memo the issue the the funding account number that was used in the memo apparently had the funding had been moved to a different account so it now would read funding in the amount of a hundred thousand dollars is budgeted and available in the fiscal year 20 in the public infrastructure engineering services road and street iotb design mobility fees with road slash sis project 2006.0 have any questions for mr steinsteiner entertainment i have a motion by commissioner oakley second by commissioner mariana madam clerk please call the roll district one commissioner oakley aye district three four commissioner wells aye district five commissioner mariano aye district two chairman morgan aye motion passes five zero thank you um c10 is a withdrawal see 12. paula there she is good morning commissioners paolo barcaldo building construction services

we're pulling this item to revise attachment number two which is the quote from carousel technology and this is just to correct a minor clerical error on the last line of the fierce paragraph on the background statement the statement should read as of today functionality to support residential single-family home construction has been successfully delivered i have a motion by commissioner oakley second second by commission mariana mayor clerk please call the roll district one commissioner oakley aye district three commissioner starkey aye district four commissioner wells aye district five commissioner mariano aye district two chairman moore aye motion passes five zero thank you c22 is a withdrawal and commissioner i apologize and i meant to pull something but not only to discuss so it'll be fine but i'm going to just want a discussion with c96 it's okay we voted on it um but i did want to discuss it so i'm going to add that to the end okay c-40 please mr whitaker mr chairman members of the board good morning um c40 with respect to item c40 staff had uh prepared a revision memorandum which you all have in your possession to correct an error on the agenda summary sheet uh during the renewal process we had a late edition more specifically the wire grants wiregrass ranch sports complex which added close to 18 million dollars of our ensure property values when we uh we made an appropriate addition to the agenda memo but uh inadvertently the summary sheet wasn't corrected okay easy enough any questions approval second by commissioner oakley second second by commissioner mariano mental clerk please call the roll district one commissioner oakley aye district three commissioner starkey aye district four commissioner wells district five commissioner mariano aye district two chairman moore aye motion passes five zero thank you thank you c89 mr thomas good morning mr chairman fellow commissioners uh adam thomas destination management organization uh tourism director for pasco county uh c89 is the third amendment to the zimmerman agency agreement um we just had to change the signature page on the last page to reflect the second the third agreement not the second move approval second a motion by commissioner oakley is second by commissioner mariano clerk please call the roll district one commissioner oakley aye district three commissioner starkey aye district four commissioner wells aye district five commissioner mariano aye district two chairman moore aye motion passes five zero thank you

t93 mr scheible and again commissioners we have three more four more pools after that just doing them in the order they were given to me mr biles three of those are you have three pulls for pcpt so it may make sense to have we can do that so um the director tell me what the other ones were pc okay the other one was c90 c94 and then you wanted to talk about c96 all three of those are pieces okay we can do this okay curt director for uh c93 um we left off on the back for the fiscal year and added a statement for fiscal year 2021. that's for the pulling revised wait wait for c93 c93 yes sir okay so discussion yes um i would i would like to have some discussion on this i was going to pull it to discuss if i could and thank you kurt thank you and your entire team for what you guys are doing so i've got a question and i know we heard the gentleman speak on behalf of the uh the consultants um so i got a couple questions now when i read the summary sheet on the first page the agenda memo toa has worked with pcpt metropolitan planning organization on vital transportation projects including pcp transportation development plan mpo's long-range transportation plan and other transit and planning projects within the last three years which i think is great my question is you know what if okay if they work with us the last three years what have we done with the information you know what are the results of the plans that they've worked with us on for the last three years and uh first result was it helped us get our extension of the uh hours on route 19. so we expanded the hours as part of the tdp that gives us the goals that we're looking for the other one is we're also looking at as part of the coa is the actions of developing a microtransit system in the upper areas where i believe that would be very good i know i briefed that at the mpo meetings before other places where they've helped us out and i can't speak to that but i know they do a lot of work with the long-range planning for the mpo and it briefed many different plans that they have worked with on this and i'd have to ask the npl what they they did for those are examples out of the the things i gave you earlier okay um and you know this board i can speak for a couple of us aren't maybe huge fans of consultants in general and i know when this was approved in

december it was improved with nine other consultants for nine other departments so quite frankly if i would have seen this for you i would have pulled them we would have discussed it then um so that's on me so i you know that is what it is so when i look at like um 4.5 prepare prepare for and participate in budget meetings with county staff develop staffing assessment methodology memo which is what they're saying they're going to do conduct staffed interviews perform staffing needs and capability assessment prepare technical memorandum number three i've said this from the beginning when i first got elected again we and we've come a long way with working together but we're still not there you should already be doing all this we should already be working because i know terry pitos and his team they already have a long range transportation planners you're included with you know he's got transportation folks on his team that part of what they do is is include you and your team on the future looking out you know 25 years so i my thing is you know i don't know that we need this consultant i think that the teams very well you know either way i'm not going to vote in favor of it i think you know i think that if you were to bid this separate on your own i think that you might get i can think of three local companies in the region besides them that their niche is transportation um and i'm not taking anything away from this they they do a lot for us and they do a lot for the region but i think if you would have done it separate and you're what you do is a little different but i just my question is again if they've already been helping us for three years and i know you gave me a couple examples which should have been on here um but you know basically there's two there's two plans on here really they haven't done much for us for your team in the last three years and you stated on here that we we worked with them so that that's my issue i would like to see you either put this out to bid or find a way to do it internally i think that you know we talk about like the sterling stuff in here they talk about we already have a certified sterling person on staff and i know that they've worked with you on some things and again you've come a long way since you've been here you've got a great team um you're i ride the buses i meet your drivers you know they talk about um taking studies and talking to passengers we're already doing that so there's a lot of things in here for 550 grand it's a lot of money i can i can think of other counties that have had

transportation folks like a sarasota county which yeah they're about a hundred thousand dollars less a hundred thousand people less than us but that consultant was they paid 250 300 000 for i'm just again i just want to make sure we're getting the right bang for our buck and i honestly and i'm not taking anything from away from you and your team but i think that we have a great team here and a lot of these things we should already be doing um and you're not the only department but we should already be collaborating together to where i think the scope doesn't need to be so large again i think a lot of these things you're already doing um and again i'm not taking anything from you i think you've done a great job um with your team but i'm i'm not going to prove this i would like to see you put it back out to bid or find a way to do it internally um and i think we have i can think of three other companies in the region that weren't aware of this bid because there was nine other bids put out with other departments it was kind of i don't want to say hidden but it was it was in there you know it was it was down towards the bottom and in there so commissioner before you respond i got more questions yes sir commissioner oakley yeah my question is i mean 550 000 for this is that for one year that's over the lifetime the for the life of the projects are from now until the end that's the not to exceed amount so they've been working on this 550 000 for the last three no we haven't started yet it's a new project new project yes sir okay just just seems like a lot of money that i understand we need to get the best bang for our buck so um i'm not too sure i'm in favor of 50 000 for that oh do you want to answer them now sir i'm going to keep going for a second if you don't mind just we'll get everybody up commissioner yeah mr chairman i think mr wells commissioner wells brings us some great points uh probably something we need to look at and we try to keep our business local as much as we can not that these guys aren't local they're the next county over and they've been with us a long time and obviously they've done a good job for us but if there is a way to save money i think we ought to go take a look at it i think this thing maybe you guys should pull this thing back bring us back something more detailed and then let's go take a look at what we can do putting it up for bid to get even some other companies to bid on it to try to save money and let me go and commissioner starkey

did you have anything i would agree i feel like we're a bit we're voting on this without knowing if we're getting a good deal um i think when we have consultants for a long time sometimes we need to step back and make sure that we're getting a good price so i would be in agreement to uh bring it back so can i help you through this a little bit as you can hear you've got you've already got four you're going to have five you want to just withdraw it well i do want to answer the question about the bang for the buck that's right um i do want to see the opportunity because i think the biggest expense your concern is the cost this is not my first coa i've done many of these things much more than the cost again i think for what you're getting a lot of the things you're already doing um yes you can do yes no yes we'll withdraw it then okay thank you thank you kurt thank you kathy okay c93 yes sir let's go ahead and go with um c94 uh that's me mr starkey go ahead yeah um you know uh back before i was ever an elected official i worked on the bus bench ordinance we called it the right-of-way ordinance i'm a little dismayed that this is that we keep extending this contract and i am asking to deny the approval of this contract and let's let's uh get it out there for opportunities kind of a little bit like of nem 93 so in the essence of time i want to move to uh deny c94 so commissioner starkey it is on the street to see you know i want to make sure you know that i just found out that and mr cyber can tell you that the new the bid is out on the streets now it's on the street right now i believe october 20th is a closure date that was gonna okay because this i thought it was extended till january explain how that works because after the closure you have all the contract negotiations and the holidays that's why we're we're we're hedging our bets a little bit so if it gets if it gets um if they if it goes through the process beforehand the new contract will begin if i'm not correct we'll probably have about a monthly way or so yeah okay i've got um next time i'm not going to approve it this is ridiculous that this contract was extended this long yeah no commissioner stark i don't disagree with you i just want to make sure you knew that we did find out it is on the street now and so look at them look into my left and right

any other questions comments okay are you okay with that commissioner starkey because it is on the street all right milk to approve c-94 i got a motion in a second madam clerk motion by um commissioner starkey is second by commissioner mariano madam clerk please call the roll district one commissioner oakley aye district three commissioner stark thank you aye district four commissioner wells aye district five commissioner mariano aye district two chairman moore all right mostly pastors thank you and c-96 and we already we already approved this and miss tribal has nothing to obviously do with you or your department i just wanted to have a conversation because and commissioner starkey i'm sure can the test of that or may want to weigh in a little bit um we're approving the t-bar to contract um you know hillsborough county voted 7-0 that t-barda could not use any of their funds for their lobbying efforts and i just go back to i mean i mean when did we start deciding how money is spent and what are we going to is this going to happen with you know regional plane accounts was going to happen with every other committee on board that were a part of moving forward to allow a county to make stipulations on how just their money spent so are they going to put a separate pot to the side and say this is hillsborough's money and nobody else can be involved so does that mean that going forward that the representative which i think is a mis is a commissioner kemp does that mean commissioner kipp and this is something for you commissioner stark because i would like this brought up to maybe the to that board at the next meeting that she not be allowed to vote on any items pertaining to or hillsborough county does not get a vote on how any of those funds are used in the future since they've already delegated that their money cannot be used going forward for any of those efforts so they should not be able to participate in votes related to that all at all in my opinion and i would agree with you commissioner moore we we uh we had a discussion that we thought this was totally inappropriate um and unheard of and we were all displayed that they took this action and we think that there was some misinformation that was given to the hillsborough county mpo and um they were going to be given some more factual information and maybe we do a re-vote commissioner starkey let me can i ask you this um so and i'll ask the board would you be willing to do a motion to reconsider

c96 and then we go ahead and put a stipulation on that funding ourselves to say that if we're going to go ahead and continue funding our portion of t borrower that hillsborough county is not able to have or participate in a vote concerning any we're getting a little feedback commissioner i have to ask you to meet your okay thank you um that again if we're gonna continue to fund that they're not able to participate on any votes any relation whatsoever to any lobbying efforts going on within t barda if they're not participating in funding those efforts um you know i don't we're talking about being a regional player let me check that with the attorneys and um and i'll bring it back to the next meeting okay so so i did emotion could i have a motion reconsider and then we'll table this yeah i'd like to i'd like to go ahead and vote yes on this and then we can we can stipulate later okay i'm fine with that that's fine that's fine so okay no i would draw my motion reconsider i'll leave it how this is a second okay yeah i don't need it i just mature all right thank you um we do have another inm that i need to go back to c20 c20 and then i will go to c57c59 good morning chairman board members andrew baxter facilities management director uh commissioner mariano i think you had questions related to c20 yeah mr chairman board um i'm going to say i wanted to see this happen i actually encourage staff to try to go work with the purchase of this i think it's a good idea however you know in buying real estate and doing real estate transactions it's either a good deal or it's a bad deal as a friend of mine you'd say it's either goodbye or goodbye um when i look at there's an appraisal down in the property that we're going to buy but we didn't take the time or energy to go get the appraisal on the property we're going to trade out the old fire station um it concerned me when i look at the property where the transaction's going to pay us we're going to pay more money for the property even though our property sits right on the main strip across bayou which i think is a higher value property [Music] i think it's something we need to go take a closer look at and negotiate on um if my enthusiasm just seemed to make this where staff feel kind of felt pressured or gave the owner strength to to go negotiate harder i don't want to see the county affected by that and again just wanting to get this to happen is a good thing but when i look at

no appraisal done the fact that ours has frontage if we have bond issues that may be another discussion how we set this thing up to put ourselves under that type of pressure uh something we need to lock look and talk about but i don't think it's ready to go right now i would rather have staff take a couple of weeks bring it back and let's let's discuss it after an appraisal is done uh and when we can get a full discussion about what alternatives are there if there are any out there which i'm sure along 19 car we can find some other alternatives uh the excuse of having a light there uh if you look at town to country villas we bought 51 properties for habitat for humanity up there we bought them at very reasonable prices right across the street uh if we could put a section of properties together there it might even be a lot cheaper than going this way here uh so just because i don't think we've explored this the best way possible i think sometimes you get stuck in a track where you think you've got to go this kind of go go this way you don't give yourselves option to negotiate and i think we can negotiate a much better deal so i'd like to continue this two weeks i have a motion to continue this item um before i yeah yeah um so we have we've been working on looking for properties in this area we also have uh for at least the last 18 months we've looked at several options we've worked with fire rescue this is the the option that is ideally suited for fire rescue in their service area and that that's one of the key drivers behind this um the although the appraisal was 930 000 the the sale is 997 800 but we're going to realize a savings of 250 thousand dollars by not having to install let's stop that argument if i could sure to give that argument is saying that there's no other properties with the stoplight any road we can go buy it's a false argument it's it's not a stoplight sir it's an emergency signal and it's an emergency signal on us19 which is a little harder to get because of f dot so there is my point was if we buy other property to the side even in country villas we bought a whole bunch of properties the company bought 51 properties with habitat humanity for the tune of 500 051 properties in there there's more properties we can go buy in there that piece of property all the way down there could access the same light it's a false argument i appreciate that sir we have looked at

several options we can come back and we can have a conversation about those but based on the options that we've looked at the negotiations that we've conducted we feel that this is in our client who just which is fire rescue uh this is the right location for them to be located mr chairman i'll go answer so let me ask the question why didn't we get an appraisal on our property to negotiate with i mean you've got a this listing on there that the value of the building is worth forty two thousand dollars that's what you have in your agenda memo why didn't we get an appraisal on our building to at least be able to say look our property should be worth this much money let's negotiate that we didn't even do that tell me why can i i don't have that answer but i do have the uh real property agent who worked this deal on on webex and if we'd like to bring her in i can get that answer i i think it's more important to get an official appraisal like we did why would we do one appraisal on one property and not on our property that doesn't make sense to me i mean let's go compare apples to apples but you're not giving me apples to look at okay so make it fair let us make a decision professionally with good judgment on whether we should be doing this deal or not because that property comes back at 400 000 would that change your mind about buying the property would you like to hear the answer to that because it's possible that it may have been part of the calculus let's go and who is who is that again heather wolfe okay let's bring heather but while heather is coming on let me go ahead and have commissioner wells ask a question because i don't see her on just i just had a question now they're already we're already there existing right next door are we gonna correct yes sir so we're just gonna knock that down and use our property as well and and also buy mr gillis no no sir okay the part part of this deal is that we will be transferring the existing property to mr gillis after the new fire station is constructed and that we have time to to do that and that's part of this agreement so for the nine hundred and something thousand we're also going to give him probably we're also giving the transfer of property yeah i got a question uh commissioner rifley has a question if we're going to trade our property and we're not getting an appraisal for it why why would we pay someone 900 some thousand dollars and just figure a cost of our property against it

it doesn't make sense our property might be worth 500 000 so the difference would be a lot less understood sir heather can you answer any of those questions related to the existing property i can certainly uh trust heather wolfe real property and planning uh we've been negotiating and working on looking for fire station land for about two years in this area and this is probably the most suitable site that we've been able to find just if i may give you a little bit of back history we've attempted to go across the street look at some other parcels and do an assemblage parcel and that didn't work and i know this isn't the answer that commissioner mariano wants to hear but of the exchange parcel has been a term that the seller has been requesting as part of this transaction since may of 2019 and the value of the old fire station is less than the cost of the equipment and the emergency signal at us 19 and crossed by you so we really felt that this was in terms the best spot for fire rescue for the accessibility and it suited all of their their needs commission did you have a question for her i mean that just tells me right there we're paying 250 grand too much for the property nothing else and like you said commissioner oakley we're paying 50 grand over appraised value for this property and given up our property which could be worth as much as 250 or 400 or 500 thousand dollars yeah i mean crossed by you i'd like to see us get an appraised value on our property and if we're going to make that swap then let's make it this is not even our money this this money belongs to the citizens of pasco county and we need to be very frugal about how we use it and i think without an appraisal on ours with appraisal on ours say our property is only 200 000 then i'd be willing to pay the difference and give them our property but not just hand it over at a small price without even getting an appraisal so i think the motion on the floor from a commissioner ariana was to continue this and get an appraisal on the property is that what i'm hearing that's a motion i have a second i have a motion by commissioner marianna to continue this item to a time uncertain um because we don't know how long it's gonna take for the appraisal i have a second by commissioner oakley uh matt and clerk please call the roll district one commissioner oakley aye district three commissioner starkey

aye district four commissioner wells aye district five commissioner mariano aye district two chairman moore aye motion passes five zero this i will be continued thank you sir thank you sir i think that's it right no no no i'm sorry there were so many ad at last minute if i'm not correct the last two are 57 and 59. yes okay that is correct thank you yes sir uh go ahead just wanted to briefly make sure the board was aware on these you know we bid the interchange last week for the turnpike authority and we are effectively being their agent as part of the partnership to to do the work one to make sure that the interchange is ready when our project ridge road is paved and ready to put traffic on it next july as part of that we've been working with them because 10 years ago they budgeted 15 million dollars for the interchange as we all know inflation's happened over 10 years and today that total all-in project number is about 25 million to do the interchange design construction wetland mitigation everything at this point they have committed only the 15 million dollars plus we've here another three as of friday to pay for the interchange which leaves us a deficit seven million dollars which they're expecting the county to pick up i will say that we have a 97 agreement with turnpike or with fdot who preceded turnpike on this that says they will pay for the entire interchange we are trying to work through that with them i just want to make sure the board was aware of that before they approve these two items we need these approved so that we can continue to stay on the timetable we need to open that interchange and ridge road next july and so we're going to continue to work with turnpike on that so that they will pay the full value of that but in the interim you know we are prepared to step up into the gap while we work with them and make sure that the project's fully funded so we can go to construction but we will continue to work with them to make sure that they stand um and comply with the agreements that they have with the board of county commissioners which is to fund the entire interchange so i just wanted to make sure the board was aware of that we are working with that we're working with our legislative delegation on that uh to make sure that happens but i just want to make sure the board was aware of that well mr miles thank you for that and yeah that's unfortunate we're having to go through this now when there there's an agreement that was made back in

1997 right so they need to stick with their agreement and as a reminder every time a vehicle pulls on that turnpike they're making money so they don't get it they don't get to drive the turnpike for free so there is actually revenue source that's coming from those vehicles that will be getting on and off that interchange mr commissioner he made a motion to approve i'm going to second it with discussion okay so i have a motion by commissioner oakley a second by commissioner mariano but we're going to go having this discussion before i call the vet yeah um and just to say back in 2004 and five um we were carrying that on our mpo list for years and the turnpike authority asked us to take it off the list and they would put it back on whenever we get the approval and had nothing to do with any conditions about how much they would fund the whole thing would be funded thank you any other discussion on this item i'm probably uh so i have the motion by commissioner oakley assigned by commissioner mariano clerk please call the roll for clarification we're approving c 57 and c 59 we can do them both thank you district one commissioner oakley aye district three commissioner starkey aye district four commissioner wells aye district five commissioner mariano aye district two chairman moore aye motion passes five zero thank you alrighty that does it for consent we'll move on to the regular agenda another place so r1 madam clerk that is yours it is thank you very much um r1 is a is a presentation um we have manuel santos long manny long coming up to the podium from my office he is the finance director and we also have attending virtually via webex is pfm who um the attendees for pfm are scott stitcher stephen alexander and sean gannon and we're here to present to you the investment portfolio to let you know how it's going and one word once we're done what i would like to know from this board is do you want a presentation on a regular basis be it annual biannually quarterly we do submit the performance of the investments quarterly on the consent agenda so i'm just looking for the board to let me know what you would like but so we have if you don't mind we do have a presentation if it's ready to to go and manny's going to be covering the part of the portfolio that he manages in our office and then pfm is going to be going over the basically the economy as a whole and

then the their performance on the amount that they are investing for us good morning all right good morning thank you madam clerk uh mr chairman commissioners uh so manny long finance director one four two three six six street uh suite 201 dade city florida uh we will go ahead and uh start with uh even steve steven alexander or scott stitcher with pfm hey good morning manny thank you uh just a quick sound check to make sure everybody can hear me just fine we can thank you good good thank you for the opportunity to be with you this morning my name is scott stitcher i will uh get in the conversation but i as uh madam clerk mentioned i'm joined by teammates steve alexander and sean steve is going to make some comments at the end of our presentation as well steve uh leads our floor to practice uh again thank you for the opportunity to be here i'm gonna jump in and make some comments on the economy uh the world and how that impacts what we've been doing on behalf of the county so it probably goes without saying but the pandemic continues to shape the global markets and economy and businesses was not likely to return until a vaccine is widely distributed looking at the first half of 2020 here at home it really wasn't a pale of two quarters interestingly enough if you had gone to sleep on january 1st and woke up today you might think not much had happened in the fixed income and equity markets but uh really that's not the case uh we're going to focus our comments today on fix the fixed income markets that most impacts what we're doing on your behalf uh the first quarter saw significant volatility in the markets and the start of a pullback in the economy as the realization of the pandemic in the u.s uh really came to fruition we saw a lot of businesses schools and travel shut down and what occurred as a result of that was a flight to quality investors flocking into treasuries driving their prices up and yields down it was a quarter in which diversification really worked against the county worked against the portfolio that we made now in an effort to stabilize the markets the economy the fed took action with two emergency rate cuts totaling about one and a half percent taking interest rates virtually to zero and indicating the likelihood of lower interest rates for longer as well as announcing a number of monetary stimulus programs now the second quarter saw some normalcy begin to creep back into the markets and

economy as some states and businesses began to reopen the fed support stabilized the bond market and returned liquidity and the risk off trade that that uh flight to treasuries that i spoke up earlier that risk off trade that was prevalent in the first quarter disappeared and the diversified fixed income portfolio outperformed an all treasury portfolio during the second quarter so that's sort of how i want to frame our back drop for our discussion this morning uh but before we get into the pfm portfolio i'm going to turn it back to manny to address uh the the cabinet's unrestricted assets in the applicant on page three okay thank you scott and uh so the way we manage the portfolio again section 218 415 of florida statutes requires the safety and security of the investment principle the liquidity and the rate of return in that order specifically florida statute does say state that exactly so pasco county's investment policy was established to accomplish exactly that protection and security of the principal low-risk investments for pasco county include banking accounts that are established as a qualified public depositor local government investment pools certificates of deposit money market funds u.s treasury bills u.s treasury notes bonds and corporate bonds again in first and foremost we are maintaining the security and principle of all pasco county's investments and you can see that most of our investments are in local government investment pools um pfm has approximately about 17 percent of our portfolio the remaining 10 is in certificates of deposit and money market funds next we're insuring liquidity in the investments since uh the pasco county expenditures are approximately 60 million dollars per month and we manage those funds to ensure liquidity and we take pride in our ability to be able to manage the funds to meet the obligations of pasco county finally interest income earned through the end of august for fy 20 was 24.4 million dollars again ensuring that we do protect the principle of the investment and the taxpayer dollars that are invested here in pasco county so scott i'm going to turn that back over to you to go over pf sim pfm's management over the portfolio great thanks manny so i'll work from slide four just make some high-level comments on the portfolio again that pfm manages on behalf of the county

a lot of information here i'll try and condense it into a few comments for you i'll point you over to the portfolio statistics on the left and just note that we ended june 30th with assets under management of 214 million 735 612 dollars i also point you to the fact that this is a very high quality portfolio with an average credit quality of double a we show you that breakdown in the upper left pie chart it is a diversified portfolio so the upper right hand chart speaks to the sectors that we invest in and i mentioned earlier that the diversification worked against us in the first quarter but definitely worked against us in the first quarter came back in favor during the second quarter what i want to stop for a moment though and just speak to the yield at cost uh again as manny mentioned safety liquidity is a priority for us but thirdly is yield we are trying to earn a competitive return on your behalf i want to point you to the yield at cost which is 1.99 which is very favorable given where short term interest rates are going uh money market funds bank deposits all these are are trending towards zero at some point here in the near future i point you to this 1.99 because because this is a longer duration portfolio you should continue to earn an attractive yield for a longer period than what an overnight investment is going to provide so to put that into perspective i'll point you to the number right above that the yield at market which is 0.75 so again let me put this into perspective today your portfolio yields 1.99 okay if you hypothetically could go out and buy your portfolio today buy all the same names all the same weights you would actually only earn 0.75 if you were to buy this portfolio today so this is one of the benefits of uh having a long-term portfolio having locked in this portfolio a while back you know your decision to go out and an rfp and higher long longer duration portfolio manager is definitely going to benefit the county here as interest rates again move to zero so interesting point i want to make there let me go to what you're really most interested in hearing about and that is on page five where we show you performance now good there's a lot of numbers here but i'm going to focus on a few of these uh i want to drive home the story that i told about the flight to quality in the first quarter and then diversification coming back in favor at the end of the second quarter so i'll point you to the column that's labeled 331

20. you'll see our return for the quarter end so three months ending march 31 was 1.4 percent gross of fees 1.39 neta fees and then the benchmark which is again made up mainly of treasuries and agencies up 2.78 so you can see that flight to quality where treasury outperformed uh worked against a diversified portfolio we underperformed the benchmark during that quarter fast forward to the end of june the portfolio returned one point five five percent for the three months ending june 30. netapp fees one point five four percent the benchmark only up point one four percent is again the markets return to somewhat uh normalcy so we outperformed by 1.41 grosser fees and 1.4 net of fees i'll point you out to the one-year number this aggregates the previous four quarters and the port probably returned 4.33 versus the benchmark of 405 so we've outperformed by about 0.28 percent gross of fees and 0.22 net of fees i just want to caution that i think a return north of 4 is going to be challenging over the next 12 months given interest rates have fallen so much there's really not going to be that price appreciation that occurs when interest rates fall so i i caution people that four percent may be very challenging and to more than likely your return is going to be driven by the income that's produced in the portfolio which we've already talked about should remain fairly attractive over the coming quarters so we should end the fiscal year on a positive note a strong fiscal year for 1920 and again challenging yet productive returns in longer duration portfolios going out over the next year i'm going to turn it over to my colleague steve alexander for an asset allocation or compliance summary on slide six all right good morning my name is steve alexander and also let me just do a quick sound check if everybody can hear me okay all right thank you okay good morning uh i have to spend a little time on the next couple of pages which has scott that is the compliance pages and to follow up on andy's discussion about safety liquidity and yield they're also the compliance as you know the county has a very detailed investment policy that stipulates the permitted investments various types of ass allocation percentages to ensure diversification within the entire portfolio we monitors monitor the compliance on a regular basis to ensure that the

compliance of investment policy is fulfilled on an ongoing basis on page six you'll see the various permitted investments uh the gold lines represent the maximum permitted by each of these various asset classes the blue of course represents what was in those asset classes as of june 30th so you can see that most of the asset classes are being utilized and as many pointed out earlier there is a about 68 percent is in governmental pools and that makes up a couple different pools that are being utilized the compliance page indicates that everything is in compliance as of june 30th on the pfm portfolio course we monitor that portfolio on a daily basis and all the characteristics of the investment policy are all computerized to ensure that portfolio managers can only purchase what is permitted by the investment policy if we move to the next page on page 7 you'll see the detailed holdings followed on the next couple of pages of all the securities within the portfolios as well as the total assets of the county i wanted to point you out that there's quite amount of diversification in the portfolio each of the holdings represent something less than 10 within the portfolio in many cases less than one percent as you see the various bond holdings this is to ensure a great amount of diversification and that speaks to the safety and liquidity of the portfolio as we talked about earlier on the page nine you'll see the final conclusion of the compliance report and then of course that represents also that the permitted investments as of june 30th are all meeting the various requirements of the investment policy the main part of the compliance is also reviewed by our credit committee each corporate bond has to go through a committee review to ensure that corporate bond is suitable for pasco county once that bond receives approval by the credit committee which which is made up of several individuals with a tremendous amount of experience both in the market and both as credit analysts review that uh approved list and to ensure the ongoing approval if the bond is somehow does not fit that approval anymore of course we'll take action and notify the county so the county could be assured there's an ongoing review process of each corporate holding on an ongoing basis uh so there's i'll turn that back over to scott thanks steve uh that's all we had really as far as prepared remarks i think i'd be remiss if i didn't thank

the clerk and her team uh heather brown is manny law matt mccarthy thank you for the open lines of communication and the partnership that we have with the county and help make our jobs a lot easier i'm going to open it up to questions see if there's anything you can address on any of the information we may have covered this morning questions questions commission mr chairman i appreciate the presentation i think this would have been good data to have we could have looked at it ahead of time to study a little bit more but it's good to see we're putting getting some return on investments which were very very low before so good job with that but i would like to study a little bit more as we go forward but i appreciate the presentation yeah i think it would talk about it maybe every maybe biannual it might be good to have this type of presentation but i'm delighted you brought it forward miss madam clark thank you thank you any questions i'd just like to say it i i would agree uh if you look at it quarterly it would be too soon because each quarter that could change but i think every six months will be fine so yeah it sounds like we have some direction we can do this on a semi-annual basis okay great we'll still continue to file the report quarterly yep and we'll send it out at least electronically ahead of time so you can see it thank you okay excellent thank you appreciate everything thank you thank you all right apologize let me move my paperwork over here for a second so next we're moving on to r2 um presentation comma 19 pandemic update from department of health we have mr napier here today how are you sir good morning commissioners thank you for having me here today and uh we'll cover a couple of the topics slideshow all right move on to the next slide please um a couple of these things for the record oh i'm sorry um florida department of health pasco county 3400 floor mart terrace newport richie um several of the things that we're going to talk about but i think are important to remind us is the coveted response the governor did extend the executive order until november 4th and the surgeon general continues with his public health advisory and the last thing is is that pasco county continues with their local state of emergency and the next slide this is a slide that uh i send out to you all on friday

um i wish i had better news as far as what our cases have been over the last several weeks um this slide and we've got some markers on here from everything from memorial day to phase two to when the county put the surgeon the surgeon general put the mask order out and then pasco county fourth of july and the blue lines are the number of cases each day the big one the blue line that goes all the way up to almost 9000 is the cumulative number of cases and then the red line is the seven day rolling average of um new cases and uh where our concern is is at the very end of that graph where we're starting to see some uh increases in numbers and i'll get a little more specific on that as well the next slide this is the daily number of cases we get um if you look that red bar represents the seven days the last seven days we've seen an increasing number of cases for each of those days the median day average is fluctuated significantly where most of our cases are not necessary being identified in long-term care facilities but in the general population the next slide i know that a lot of questions come up about testing and how many tests are we doing in comparison to our positivity rate um our testing is uh stayed fairly level in in our um i mean they fluctuate day-to-day uh the health department continues to support a drive-through um testing eight until eleven o'clock in the morning at the old sears building for drive-through we just established this week this past week uh um testing for those that are at the school system that are identified that are symptomatic we have a fast track for those that are in the school system faculty and students the concern here really is is that we were doing pretty well back in the early part of september averaging about three percent uh as a rolling average on our positivity this last week uh it's the first time in almost a month that we got almost a six percent positivity rate and we had 1300 cases sometimes when you get a load number of of test results you can get a high spike but we had a relatively high number of tests done that day as well the next line this is the running average this kind of moves out the daily bumps and gives you a sense of and where i marked on this where the arrows are we have a low mark of we were averaging 29 cases a day

to where we are today where we're averaging almost 50 a day and that's over a two-week period and so this rolling seven day average is something that we monitor from a standpoint of which trend are we heading and if you pay close attention at the very end you can see that the last two weeks last week specifically we are rising in the number of cases that we're having and that's a seven day average and next slide this is the number of deaths now i think i've talked to y'all at one point or another about the deaths and how they're reported many times you'll see on the death count that we'll have uh six or eight in a particular day that's the day that they're reported to us they're not necessarily the day of the death and so we go back and put this graph together to give you a sense of when we were heat of the epidemic we were having a significant number of deaths and now we're down to one or two a day one or two are still too many but we are trending out and that's kind of leveling off the next line i know that schools were a big question for us on what the impact of school openings were going to be we have a total of 79 this was as of friday we had a total of 79 students and 26 staff that have tested positive for 105 total cases i think the thing that many people worry about is the next section which was that we have almost 14 1400 students exposed to school which means that they're going to be sent home for that exposure time and making sure that they're staying home for those 10 or 14 days depending on their exposure and we've had 128 staff that were exposed at school chairman if i could stop your mic real quick um remind me again how they consider expose so kids in a class with 30 i don't know how many kids are in classes now 20 kids they're all considered exposed because the one kid's positive or yeah it depends uh one of the things that we started when school started we we set up a command center with my epidemiologist my nursing director and the school administration so that we could get into the nuts and bolts of okay if that classroom is in a elementary classroom and there's 20 kids we go back and talk about what their exposure plan is in that case they may be all 20 of them have to be excluded if they're in a classroom where they're in high school and they're not going from class to class they have to go on a case-by-case basis if the school's following their protocols and they are then it's a matter of i can't say

every kid that is exposed depending on the exposure because remember it's it's a matter of 15 minutes or more of close exposure time and then making sure that um they're six feet apart if they're not and we have to go through that scenario each of the classrooms and where they've been if it's a monday versus a friday because they've had all week of that exposure so there's a lot of criteria that goes into the determination of whether the student has to be excluded or not i know that's not a straight answer but it's a one that we have to take in and why we put that command center together to be able to talk to the school administration and talk to parents and and also the epidemiologists okay um so one thing that that we did early on with the exposures this wasn't about exposure is the report i used to give to you all about how many had been removed from from quarantine that was those that were positive and they've gone through those 14 days of exclusion and they could come back in this case i wanted to be able to say that out of the nearly 1400 students exposed to school we have 857 staff and students that are currently quarantined but also we have 542 people have been released so it's one of those rolling cycles of when people have been asked to stay home because they're potentially exposed and then making sure that they're able to return to school as soon as possible the next slide this is something that we collected from cdc and the harvard global public health institute i know there's been a lot of question i've been following this very closely in neighboring counties to come up with okay at what point do we decide that we can reduce the the mandates and the social distancing from a public health standpoint i have to tell you when we have a vaccine or when we have medication to treat covid from a practical standpoint we need to be able to get some numbers down to a point where we're at right now 49 if you look to the arrow to the right we're at 49 uh averaging a day this was a matter of and i want to make sure i point this out if you look at the first red arrow you see 175 per hundred thousand that is um that rate that's the 25 per day times seven days we have five and a half uh 550 000 population so our number would be 138.5 per day cases if we were in the high when you come down to where we are now we're at the i guess they call it low moderate just below the low moderate of [Music]

what we want to be the 55.5 would be the number of cases would be in that case we're in 49 a day so we're a little below that before um before this past week we were teetering right on the very low cases so it kind of gives you a sense and i do want to bring up at this point i'm on regular conference calls with my surrounding health officers and county managers and county commissions are having the same questions about well what point do we pull that trigger that we need to release that mask and we have and i believe that the county managers have been talking i know we've been talking to go to uh um usf or some other location to be able to have an institute to be able to do some studies to be able to say from a regional standpoint because we're all getting the same question right it doesn't have to be in pinellas or pasco or hernando or hillsboro we're all trying to come up with that answer so we're actually looking to the academics to be able to come up with something from a regional standpoint we know we have a community that moves from pasco to pinellas and pinellas to pasco hernando hillsborough all those counties so we want to make sure that if we're going to lift or make some decisions maybe we could do it from a regional standpoint rather than a case-by-case basis so the next slide and this is a little bit about the our numbers uh we've had as of uh this morning 8 834 cases and that's uh in the number that should be a little bit alarming to you is that uh in this past week had a 61 percent increase in cases in the last seven days so we're headed in the wrong direction at this point i'd like to be able to tell you why um i've got some in the next slide i'll talk a little bit about potentially what that might be mr wells if you're going to go over i just i'm asking is it because the school board's back in school assuming that's what it is but if you're going to go over it right yeah i'm glad i put that up because it's not necessarily the school board that's that's why i want to make sure i answer that question uh to date we've had 1.6 of our population is been infected and we've had 205 deaths which is a 0.037 rate for our population i know that early on there was concern about beds and people flooding our hospital systems and not able to manage those those that were needing the hospitalization as you can see our hospitalizations and acute beds are right about where they normally are in normal normal days next slide okay so some of the conclusions we're trending upward on our uh number of daily cases as i said from

30 to almost 50 a day we're trending higher in our positivity rate uh we were about three percent we're almost at four percent right now that one percent does matter the influences um we know the schools are opening but i can tell you that with those cases of uh the number of students and and staff that's over the three-week period so there's not a l when we went back and look i get a report that identifies by age group zero to four four years old five to fif 14 and then 15 to 24 age group and we're not seeing a spike in those numbers to lead us to believe that it's in in our school population when i talked to my epidemiologist on friday the concern part is this when we were having a lot of cases that i would get sick and i would go home and then a couple days later four of my family members that lived with me got positive and where our numbers were getting real high because there was a lot of spread within the family members these cases that we're getting now there's there's one in the family and we're not getting all the family members continuing to be sick as well so there is community spread here it's not getting spread from within each of the family units um labor day we're seeing an increase that could be an influencer and the bar's opening i think it's probably too early to tell because it is a 2 to 14 day incubation period from the time it's spread i want to remind everyone that flu season is beginning and you can get your flu shot just about anywhere and and i encourage you to do that and encourage others as i mentioned before we are looking at a regional approach for face coverings so that we have some guidance from a regional standpoint and the last last slide just to remind you all the pandemic is not over and that i understand face coverings are inconvenient and uncomfortable however the american academy of pediatrics and the american medical association continue to support the use of face coverings to reduce the exposure of covid19 just as recently as last week the cdc director robert redfield said quote the best defense we can currently have against this virus are the important mitigation efforts of wearing a mask washing your hands social distancing and being careful around crowds so that's the end of my presentations if you're happy to take questions commissioner oakley yep mike good report um i know comments i've gotten on emails and all to my email for the county and all with our citizens i'd say about 80 or 85 percent of our citizens think it's too early to remove mass

which is good to hear because i think uh they realize that it's not over and uh they still need to be taking precautions a month from now two months from now the numbers look a lot different and we're down and and i think our county staff and all done a great job in in doing the right thing here in pasco county and our numbers i believe have shown that uh we've been in good shape the entire time so i would hate to see us open it up too early and then it go out of sight when when we can keep that from happening by by washington's distance and and wearing a mask so yeah i appreciate your report and get to your point again we're trying to come up with a regional approach where we have some numbers and benchmarks that we all could agree to so that would uh give you the okay when we hit that point from a numbers standpoint then you'd be able to uh say okay we're in the clear or we hope we're in the clear move forward thank you mr mariano mr navier have you done the comparisons between hernando county to pasco county what things look like um not in a in depth they are um about two points ahead of us in our positivity rate we're at right about three and they're teetering at five um they are a little different population where from the academic standpoint we're asking them to kind of look at you know from a population density standpoint from a school utilization standpoint they are seeing the same kind of uh increases that we are uh currently okay and there's no massive mandate up there correct and and the general population the school population they didn't require that right the general population they haven't had it from day one we we adopted it they didn't adopt it correct and how long ago was that well when we adopted the cases it was uh our mask here you're talking about um june i think dan has that 23rd okay june 23rd june 23rd sorry okay yeah we've seen a reduction of about 72 percent in new cases on our seven-day roll in average since from our peak i will say that um to commissioner mariano's question on a per capita basis fernando has about the same number of cases we do we're within two to three percent between us and hernando county now they are a lot less dense so they actually should have a lot less cases than we do on it when you look at a density perspective because we have a lot less cases than on a per capita basis and either pinellas or hillsborough do again it's a density issue that said their deaths per capita are 60

greater than pasco county so while their cases are about the same as ours they've had about 60 more deaths on a per capita basis than we have in pasco county they're they're at about 112 and we're i had the numbers from yesterday we were at 199. so on a per capita basis they've actually had 60 more deaths than we have in pasco county so that's just a high level what the numbers are right now between us and hernando how do these numbers compare to way back when with the h1 h1n1 uh pinned it wasn't a pandemic then but when that was going around how do these how do the numbers compare to the truth sir i haven't researched that to determine that really some say that was a lot worse than this is but you don't know that i no well i i think the virus is is uh more severe than h1n1 i think that's the virus was attacking children in h1n1 and that was it the older and the younger were the focus on the h1n1 now it's predominantly the the elderly and look looking at preventions that have been done well i want to get i don't want to get into being a doctor when you look at the the spikes that we had spring break affected a lot of different things all around this country moved around numbers were spiking up and that led to a lot of the pandemic to explode what they did in new york as far as putting people in nursing homes together not protecting them certainly cost a lot of lives up there without protecting them as much as they possibly could have um but from what you've seen even with the fourth of july spike that there was to where we are now to labor day spike really these spikes are getting smaller and smaller aren't they it means schools everyone's worried about what's going to happen to schools they've been in for three weeks now yeah and we're not seeing much though it's only counting a week if you count and what could be happening i mean where we're seeing in where we are seeing spikes that are in hillsborough county specifically that age group of 15 to 24 which is the college students at any of them are on campus and you see that on the news every night where they're having parties and that's where they're that's we don't have a a campus here where there's that many uh students uh st leo's been great to work with they're very cautious with with what they're doing out there so we're not seeing that spike in in the student population of that age group i mean i think everybody's paid attention that everyone's protecting so everyone's washing their hands they're distancing people who are in mass

and i think tell me tell me how effective as a cloth mask compared to a n95 mask well they're designed for different things an n95 is to protect you the mask is a matter of making sure that you're not expiring respiratory droplets an n95 is really to protect anything coming in on you and they're fitted differently you have to be fit tested they have anybody that's been fit tested you know you have to put the mask on and then they have a smelling apparatus to see if you can smell through that mask so it's really protecting yourself a facial mask face covering is to prevent if i sneeze that i don't spread droplets to you so there's the masks are very different so the n95 works very well to protect you it's going to let stuff out because only filters one way right the cloth mask really has got even less protection than in 95 even going out wouldn't you say well i'm not a mask expert but i would say that if i sneezed and and sent respiratory droplets towards you from here and i put this on then i think it would make great sense that all those droplets didn't get to you so sneeze sneezes sneezing aside no matter what mascara on is going to hold that sneezing that's good i'm talking about regular breathing when you breathe through an n95 it's designed to release it out a surgical mask is only designed in a surgical atmosphere they say if it's if a doctor may sneeze or contaminate the wound he's working on that's what that's all protection it's all loose going around correct um so it doesn't really protect uh stuff that's going to go out other than sneezing and what happened well one other advantage of wearing a mask and and this is the studies and you can find these studies as well with the new england general medicine was the act of wearing a mask is a great way to remind yourself that you need to protect yourself it's not the mask isn't the end-all be-all but it's a constant reminder when you're out there to remind yourself that maybe i do need to wash the hand cart and at the grocery store or wherever you the mask isn't foolproof by no means but if you put that with the three other things or the two other things of washing your hands in social distancing dan made a great point we reduced our rate by 72 percent by when we instituted the mass ordinance that didn't happen just because it happened it happened because we instituted those three things in our together to make sure that we're not spreading the disease any one thing isn't going to work social distancing is 100 because you don't get anybody close but other than the other

two pieces when you can't social distances do work okay so reminder is the biggest part of the math yeah that well that's a part i wouldn't say it's the biggest one it is a part wherein the mask is a sign that yes i need to remind myself how many of y'all got out go to the store and forgot it let me go back up to the car to put it on right all the time we've all forgotten it so so i think it's one of those things it's a reminder that i need to be careful any questions if i could and mike again you've done a great job you know i've got my own opinion my personal opinion on things but i wear a mask when i have to and quite frankly if it's going to save somebody else if i do get it then then you know it does sure you know could possibly save lives and again you and your team have done a great job i just my question is i i like the idea of bringing in usf but i mean at this point are you basically just saying we're gonna have to wait till the the cure's out and then that's when we're gonna go to no mask i know at the beginning we talked about the number being below four percent i believe it's below that you know now we're kind of and again i respect the heck out of you and your team and what you've done you've done an unbelievable job everybody has um with it um i understand the regional thing but again how much at this point last meeting was hey we're going to give the school a month or so which i agree with let's see what the numbers do i think the school board no matter what we were decide to decide i think they're going to keep the mask and it's probably not a bad idea if the numbers show that it's needed but again i'm just so when are we talking about usf when can we get something i just what i've seen in places and this is what bothers me you've got the national news is scaring everybody oh my god you're going to die and people have died we've had 200 it sounds like and and i know that i know one of those and that the family members got the got it and the father passed away and it's terrible i don't want that to happen you know my son's at college i worry about him coming home and and me getting it and you know so i do um but but my thing is you know when when can we get there i've seen businesses getting arguments with folks it's just tough because we're expecting these businesses to witch mask you can watch spirit airlines the one guy's wearing a buff which is normally what i wear but they're saying that's not good enough you know these are the things i see i've been in wawa uh

you know people yelling i've been at walmart i've been in target folks yelling you have to wear a mask you got the wrong mask i you know again i'm all about us highly recommending it but again i support it until you tell us otherwise because you're it you're the expert we look look to and i respect you and your team and what you come up with but i'm just are you basically just telling us we have to wait till the cure is coming out and that's when we're going to go back to no masks or well a couple things on that first i would say that those that are most vulnerable probably they will need to stay social distance wear a mask for those that are suspect cases that have other conditions the second thing is is that where we if the numbers would have continued to head in the direction it was two weeks ago then i you know i think there would be a different recommendation but right now when we said wait for school wait for labor day and we're seeing the trend that's going in the wrong direction that wouldn't be the time to take the foot off the gas and say we need to do that in the meantime and it's going to take another incubation period at least 14 days to determine what these cases will spin into the next cases that that gives us some time frame to be able to come back and make recommendations as a region about all right if your case level is at this level then we believe that that could be a consideration i don't ever foresee people not wearing face masks we were just last night we talked about it in the fact that we used to think that when we see people in japan wearing face masks or in places where they had the h1n1 that seemed so strange and now you walk in the street today and you see everybody wearing a mask so it's just how we've changed to understand that at some point yes the mask will be released and i think that if we get the academic people to help us with that and you hear the news and the studies everywhere everybody's all over the board right so i'm leaning towards cdc the american america american pediatric association ama to give us some guidance and and there are there's there's people that don't want to wear masks then and i i i can't change their opinions i can just say this is what's best for our public right now and the misconception is and again i get the senior population is is is the population that it's critical but you know with them where a mass doesn't prevent them from getting it you know but i again i support what you say so you're basically telling us you'll let us know in a couple of weeks yeah we're working with dan to come up

and you guys again dan everybody's done an unbelievable job i think we've over communicated which is not a bad thing i just seen these poor businesses and i i don't want to say poor business but having to regulate it themselves and they're losing customers they may be gaining customers too but i just it's been tough but again i support what you say i totally respect what you say and and i'll just leave it at that dan yeah commissioner i think the plan right now is to come back on the 20th of october with another update just kind of much like today and kind of give you an idea of where we are what we're hearing out there what it looks like what the curve is doing and you don't know we don't know what's going to happen another 30 days and maybe that's an opportunity we can make some changes but i think the plan is you know bars just opened last week we expect to see something from that you know i think what we're seeing today is really a labor day a labor day event and so we'll see you know what continues on but i think right now the plan is to come back on the 20th of october regularly schedule board meeting and have the discussion again to walk you through where we are with the data and then kind of kind of see where we are and maybe we have an answer by then maybe we don't but at least we have an idea a little further down the track you know i think what we're seeing is significant improvements on the treatment side right now and that that's i think probably our best case scenario right now to see the treatments on the that improve to where it really reduces the impact once you do get it so dan during our tdc meeting it was a week ago it's all running together right i think it was a week ago last wednesday we had um unsolicited some um of our hoteliers had brought up some information because we're talking about numbers and things and and i asked you maybe if you could you could go over some of that maybe what was stated and what they said um how that went down because we want to talk about businesses they they brought some information to us that you know may be surprising to some right and part of what they said was one the recent upturn in occupancy rate in hotels in pasco county was from their customers directly related to the fact that we had a mask order in place because the customers want to go someplace that is paying attention and maintain savings so customers again what hoteliers told us last week was that the customers were coming here because the other places they would have gone to don't have the order or ordinance depending on the county in place and so they would prefer to come someplace that is safe so that's why

you saw the occupancy rates up last week the other thing is adam did a little research and there was two or three different surveys out there to survey actual travelers and what they're doing and anywhere from 60 to 90 percent of the travelers said they are it's very important or important or very important that the place they go has some kind of ordinance or order in place to protect the public and so they are look the travelers are looking at that and so one of the things we've seen on the occupancy rate is it tick up and frankly we're actually i think last week matched last year finally in occupancy rates a lot of that the hoteliers are telling us is because the travelers are saying it's important to them that we have this in place and that's why they're choosing pasco yeah and i when i sat there i thought it was interesting because i came from two to our hotel areas and one of them was a very large one that we all are aware of in in this area if not the largest um property in the in the county i got i'll send these out just just so you guys know too i did receive um letters from um dr rose quiss from um advent health medical director uh chief medical officer for advent health and then um dr nan he's the chief medical officer for daycare and they just basically sent letters to us applauding the county's efforts almost begging us not to go backwards now to continue with what we're doing now um i'll forward it to everybody that way you guys can have a copy of the of the emails and letters from both of them but um asking us to stay on course for now that's what they're saying mr chairman yes sir go ahead um just a couple of things and ask you mike um i'm not going to apologize but uh i appreciate your take trying to take a look as much as what i would send you over time i've sent him probably 50 different things from web stuff to just go look at look at i know you didn't get a chance to look at all of it but i'd say one of the things that bothers me the most about how we're treating this is for 65 years you could say that the drug hydroxychloroquine was safe and now they're not letting you get it i even went to our own clinic to try to get it last month they wouldn't even let let me get it from them i talked to other doctors that being worried about being banned or reprimanded from the pharmaceutical industry about being able to put that out how just tell me professionally how can

you have a drug that's safe for 65 years treating malaria all over this world and all of a sudden in january miraculously they take and they put on the non-label list how does that how does it make you feel especially when you just said we think we're treating it better and i think we are right well first i'm not a doctor so i might i'm not going to speak from a medical standpoint yeah they're getting a drink of water she got me all choked up jack [Laughter] but but i think my layperson opinion is um some of the politics have gotten involved in this okay and and really thank you that was good service oh yeah thank you that quick but well the truth is you know everything from when vaccine comes out whether people are willing to get the vaccine or not to the medication you're talking about um we try to stick to okay because we're we've had our first meeting with the accounting manager about um distributing vaccine when it comes and starting that planning process and i think that the medication side of it um i wish i had a better answer for you jack but i think that some of this just gets in the swirl of of social media and and politics unfortunately it just it falls on party lines sometimes and uh no good answer to it okay another question as far as when when someone's walking outside because you never want to have anybody hurting themselves and part of a part of this whole thing i worry about people using a mask over 25 times i'm one of them um and you kind of wonder all right what's the real protection um if there are harms that can fro from this and from what i'm hearing there are some different harms just for an open thing for people to understand if you're walking outside alone do you need a mask on no okay if you're in your car driving your car do you need a mask on no okay i mean just that that's the type of thing you start with somebody else if you want to somebody else be the story but if you're driving alone um yeah yeah yeah okay i mean i want to say i think everybody's really focused on this i mean whether you see the mask or not i know my dad they're they're up north right now they're on the way coming back down but him and his girlfriend they only they don't go to dinner they used to go out there all the time they don't go to dinner now it's always at home my mother we missed going out on her birthday my birthday father's day mother's day and i saw my sister took her out to get her hair done the other

day and i said okay now we go to lunch so we went to lunch and i'm look i'm looking forward to that i mean just so many seniors just don't get to see people and now on the right situation they then can go do it um hand sanitizer are you a big fan yes okay so as much as we can get that product out the better off it'll be and use it often i just used it before i got up here but uh it's and i carry it around i know it looks a little dorky to carry it around but we've got ones with carabiners you can put it on your wallet your purse or something to just be able to have it handy as our legal attorney here has one too it's just one of those things that and we've got some if people need it we're trying to make it real if it's handy and readily readily available people will use it right so i know that yeah everybody's pulling it out now he's got the fancy nice smell and stuff over here but uh all right so dan i hope i hope later on we can have a conversation about um the point distillery having all their hand sanitizer if we got any numbers back from andy foster from that yet i haven't heard anything they need to work out between andy and and them i mean we we buy from a lot of different distributors or manufacturers and so we're making sure we're trying to make sure we have a sustainable supply of ppe across the board in our in our storage facilities so i may bring it back this afternoon but i will tell you the point distillery when we had all this going on we try to get like different breweries to go make hand sanitizer et cetera they went and i think they had they said like 20 000 cases of this stuff sitting their warehouse which they can't move at this point in time so i have andy fossett taking a look at it i see see dan on it he's going to try to take a look if it works into the thing it may be something that we can talk about how we're going to get it out there for more and more folks so with that discussion i think you're going to find at least 50 percent maybe 60 percent of the people are going to wear mastermind on what we do at this point in time all the way through i don't think we should be pushing the other 40 percent to make them do it if they don't want to do it and that's my thoughts you know you mentioned andy foster and i would be remiss if i didn't give a big shout out to andy and his team for you know they covered the entire region not just pasco county but in 140 some nurses being deployed to these long-term care facilities

long-term care facilities where we had the biggest problems where we had the deaths where we had the spread and it was incredibly important that we had those teams in there testing people on a regular basis those that weren't getting it we went in multiple times to make sure they got it and andy and his team did an incredible job for the region so big shout out to him and if i could mr chairman mike you've done a phenomenal job dan you've done a phenomenal the whole team andy foster and company the awareness is out there i think it's helped tremendously what could have been a lot worse i think i think we definitely nipped it better so i don't want to say that we haven't done the right stuff i'm just saying to this point my feelings uh have modified even further to go the other way but i want to say i do appreciate you every step of the way i only send you information in the sense of trying to help you give us the best information we can to make a good decision for what's best for our people so i do appreciate you and thank you dan everyone on the team all the way through from andy all the way through yeah we and we yeah we all appreciate everything and just for the for the public and all of our first responders and then i say when i say first responders i mean our nurses and our physicians as well as our doing the front lines and our firefighter paramedics and everybody that's dealing with this on a hands-on basis on a daily basis i mean you mentioned the command center my wife is sitting in that command center right now as a registered nurse and that's you know ed was there very very early this morning and even took a shoot last weekend not this past weekend before that she was on call a weekend taking all those telephone calls from possible you know people that unfortunately were infected and or in dealing with the staff and administrators and so we the school board's been a great partner in this and and i want to also say because i've got asked several times about we have about 45 a part-time employee well they're part-time in other words they're 40 hours a week but but until december to help us with these cases so we've got it takes a little bit of training but we've got about 25 epidemiologists that are working these cases and contact tracers phone calls data entry operators that are all brought in from the community to help us with a load so that i can get my staff back to the normal day of of public health so yeah the people front lines training treating the patients i know one person that you know is a

physician that ended up in the icu and for a long time because they're the ones treating these patients so thank you to all obviously everybody out there we appreciate everything you're doing so all right thank you with that any more questions thank you for the update we appreciate it okay r3 presentation preliminary engineering study and cost estimates for the golf harbors and hudson channel i'm sorry good morning chair commissioners i'm bramford arduino how do i public wax director our presentation today um okay how are we i'm gonna take a two second break myself okay good next slide thank you our presentation today is how we plan to dredge and maintain the gulf harbors hudson beach estates and other channels as well as funding options to get the project done we also need direction from the board regarding future dredging activities and funding present with me today our engineering consultant mr kevin kramkow of gba who discussed the engineering aspects of the project and mr justin grant our fiscal and business services direct director who present the project's funding options next slide so the present phase of the project involves engineering analysis design and data collection for recollection commission the board approved a piggyback contract to procure gba services for the gulf harbors and hudson channel on october 22nd of last of this year of last year excuse me house and channel extension was later added to the project through a change order in april of this and so with that kevin mr chairman if i could though um mr vice chair yes sir uh just say that that hudson channel extension part was actually in staff's plan it was just left out and we had to put it back in later thank you all right good morning my name is kevin kremkall with gagan and brian associates in tampa this slide presents the three primary areas that we studied under this investigation in gulf harbors that included the north and south main channels as well as sections of the woodlands and sea forest channel sections of the cross bayou channel and a small canal near jobeth drive within hudson we looked at the mains channel the main entrance channel as well as the sponge crawl creek and harbor drive channels we also within the pleasure aisles to leisure beach section we looked at the hudson channel extension which would extend from hudson south to the signal cove main channel

and that's actually a separate new work dredging project that we looked at as well as maintenance dredging on the signal cove main channel and three areas specific areas of shoaling within the signal cove south and leisure beach neighborhoods next slide please our overall engineering approach to this project to perform the preliminary engineering design and cost estimates was to first evaluate any existing and historic data that the county had which primarily related to the previous hudson channel dredging we then performed hydrographic surveys of each individual neighborhood to get an overview of the existing channel conditions as well as to provide a data surface from which to calculate dredge volumes we performed ecological surveys to identify any potential aquatic resources within the dredge areas and also just to overall id any potential impediments to dredging within these areas we conducted geotechnical investigations which involved obtaining samples of the sediment to determine its physical and chemical composition and we also performed limited jet probings through the dredge areas which was to determine an approximate uh rock sand interface elevation as well as the variability of that rock interface within the potential dredge areas with this information in mind we looked at iterations of developing various template widths within these dredge areas and then we looked at various methodologies that would be appropriate for conducting dredging within these areas and we use that information to develop the cost estimates that we'll go over here today some of the the key takeaways next slide please thank you some of the key takeaways from from the investigation as i said we did look at numerous ways of conducting both mechanical dredging and hydraulic dredging within each particular project location and just as an overall result um mechanical dredging is going to typically provide a more cost effective solution and it also gives us some greater flexibility in dealing with various material types as well as more flexibility and potentially adding additional dredge areas should that be desired in the future overall we're looking at 62 400 cubic yards of maintenance dredging material to be removed uh not including the new new working material from hudson extension we did find a couple areas where we had elevated levels of arsenic

in the sediment that would be above the dep thresholds primarily in the harbor drive channel and just to the inside of the signal cove main channel nothing that that can't be dealt with the quantities are manageable and that material would simply be mechanically excavated and taken to a landfill for disposal something we did not expect to find is that there's actually a large mass of aquatic macro algae that's residing within the hudson entrance channel and if you can envision this as large tumbleweeds of a pasta like consistency algae that are actually rolling around inside the hudson entrance channel within with the tides they're not leaving the channel they're just moving around within it but there's approximately ten thousand cubic yards of material there that we identified as some sort of uh anomaly in the hydrographic surveys and we later confirmed that was what that was through our diver investigation so we don't know if that's going to continue to be present when we go to physically dredge the material uh but it's definitely something that will add some cost and complexity if it remains there and something to be taken into consideration mr quick question yes sir if that l if that algae and when we did the hudson channel dredge and we went down to that five level uh we did the studies for four years the fifth year was growing back so good the army corps said you know we do the fifth year uh they did find that algae was growing like crazy does that algae minimize itself in like the winter months so interestingly enough um we first came out in uh january to perform what we thought were going to be our only round of hydrographic surveys and looking at this we in this we thought we had quite a large volume of sediment to be excavated from from the hudson channel because of this looking at the signatures we saw from you know it's an acoustic survey so we get to determine some level of character of the material from that information and it didn't make much sense to us we thought we may have had some sort of large uh kelp-like vegetation growing because it came up and it made what looked like a large hump in the middle of the hudson entrance channel looking at it we realized that it could not be very hard because of the way we were looking at the acoustics so we had to wait until we could get the divers out later and we actually went through tweaking our sonar a little bit we did we came back we did another survey to see what this was at no additional cost to the

county just as an investigative procedure and we realized it had to be vegetation and we we did confirm that it was this macro algae and not a seagrass when the divers got out there um uh beyond that looking at can i ask you a question yes sir so with that quote macro algae i can only assume that could do harm to those to that water that area too it's it's really not uh i would assume there might be um some man-made consequences to why that's there well possibly from what our biologist told us it essentially has become trapped because the the hudson channel was essentially cut out of limestone so it's it's trapped within the the channel itself and potentially short of a large storm or some other event where there's enough energy to move it out of that hole right it's not going right now it's just moving around but we did look in january and it was much denser in january than what we were able to see when we came back in july had it been actual seagrass we would have expected the opposite we would have expected a weaker or lower density in january with a much denser or thicker return in the summer okay does that have a cause potential harm to the um water life because that's not too natural you know that's a great question um we're actually expecting our final benthic report from the enviro the biologists either tomorrow or wednesday i will follow up with them and ask them if they have any professional opinion on that yeah because i'm just thinking you know right yep the fish harness i can tell you right now the fish aren't as plentiful in those areas as they are in others would we agree with that what is that probably right yeah and you're talking about the ch sorry chairman you're talking about the channel directly out front of hudson beach and sam's not out to the east more you're talking about the actual channel yes commissioner the main entrance channel coming into hudson so i will follow up on that question for you okay thanks appreciate it um and then uh so one of the goals going forward is we did identify quite a bit of seagrass within almost every area there were a few areas that were devoid of it potentially in the particularly on the inside of signal cove and joe beth drive but we do have issues to deal with in most of the other areas and the goal will be going forward now through the permitting and final design phase is to delineate our dredge areas to

avoid that as much as we can and then to you know lower whatever potential mitigation there may be associated with that next slide please okay so uh this slide presents an overview of the estimated maintenance dredging costs by neighborhood the costs that you're seeing here include the mobilization and demobilization of dredge equipment to and from the dredge areas it includes the actual unit cost per cubic yard of physically dredging the material and it also includes the cost of trucking that material out of the area to a suitable placement site within approximately 10 miles of the dredge areas again most of this is is based upon mechanical dredging because it turned out to be a more cost effective solution we do have the disposal costs associated with taking that contaminated material for placement into a landfill included here we have not included any cost associated with placing the quality material onto adjacent sites because the remainder of that material really is high quality material that can be used suitably as fill or beneficial placement somewhere within the project area question question for you mr chairman yes when you look at the the arsenic areas you mentioned there on two spots are they close to let's say us 19 at the the base of the channel where the road runoff might be so the the harbor drive channel yes that's that's fairly close to 19 we did not look at the particular drainage paths in that area so harbor drive is that in hudson now that's in hudson that's the north side by the uh by the hudson marina by the hudson marina not by the shrimp boats but by the marina well okay the the northernmost channel that we looked at okay um so that's marine okay yeah and uh the other one was justin and that one was quite a bit that one was um i believe it's 2.1 is the is the threshold and that was at a seven the other area we looked at which is a little surprising was just to the inside of the signal cove main channel and arsenic is a naturally occurring chemical and it's mostly related to some of the organics so this area inside the signal cover main channel we had one area that was just above the threshold it's a three it's probably very small in size because we don't expect to see that once we get down into the sandy area of the of the signal code how was the depth of that part of the channel oh i want to say you're somewhere in the the four foot

area uh from what i can recall i can refer you to our surveys uh to double check i can't remember each specific area it did have a little bit of depth to it it did have some depth to it if um you were to take those areas and keep the water in the same areas with soil displacement mode of moving the material would you be able to keep that in the same channel and as they did there's some some have done spray to the banks and let it go there rather than have to remove it without work with the army with permitting so anything that we would do that would um a technique you're you're referring to would be something if you have um suitable material that can beneficial marsh benefit a marsh no or a whale no no i'm talking about taking the silt or whatever the dredged materials that's in the middle part of the channel and then hydraulically spraying it to the sides and let it accumulate on the bank kind of filling in the bank that would be considered open water disposal and would not generally be something that that could be done in an area where we have water quality requirements like we do here all right so what i'm talking about soil displacement so you're talking about taking material from a channel no no leaving it right in the same channel now you're just moving from one side to the other soil displacement it's a different different set of rules well i think you'd have to look at that on a case-by-case basis um well it depends if you have enough depth like we actually looked at doing that down in port richie yeah but those channels are so silted in you can't do it there right uh at a hudson channel someone had done it on the channel itself it was about a probably about the same type of width he sprayed it right to the side filled it in and it was like miraculous how he was able to get to like an eight foot eight eight or nine foot depth in the middle of the channel fill up the seawall and you never see the difference yeah and all of a sudden sea life comes back to life etc so it's soil displays it's different than taking and moving i think you get better conditions if you keep it in the same mode same area if you have if you have a channel let's say that had a very deep center and you only had small amounts of material on the side then yes you could recontour that material in in a larger scale dredging project they would call that drag barring where you're pulling material from the

high spots to put it into low spots to achieve a desired depth um i would say potential could exist for some of that but it would have to be looked at on a specific case-by-case basis with the environmental restrictions in mind right so with with that soil displacement if you did it and like i said so i asked you what the height was because it was if you told me it was like only a two foot holiday says well probably not going to work if it's a little bit better than that then maybe it would work so but it's something we can look at what we can talk about later sure certainly and just to keep in mind here everything we're looking at in a maintenance stretching scenario is we're looking at taking this to a minus five foot mean low water contour which would be the maintainable depth that we would be allowed to to do so in addition to the unit costs and disposal costs within these numbers that you're looking at here we have included future final engineering design permitting inspection and overall project contingency and an allowance for potential seagrass mitigation which is something that we'll be looking through the permitting and final design process to narrow down as much as possible and really quantify uh to the greatest extent possible mr if i could yes please um i think it was two weeks ago we talked with your firm because we had found a map from the army corps of engineers that showed back i think was 1950 they had dredged the hudson channel all the way to 75 foot for the depth at the bottom and that i think is something that people out there would really love to have you haven't put that in your calculations any reason why i know i know the scope didn't say it but is that why uh well so we in the report that you'll be getting at the end of the week we actually do have the 75 foot channel okay uh cost estimated uh as far as obtaining permission to maintain that uh we we did not actually receive the documentation that you refer to that showed that previous 75-foot width channel something we would obviously like to get and that's going to be obviously very beneficial in convincing the agencies that that is truly maintenance dredging as opposed to new work which is going to be key to getting the the authorization you're discussing interesting commissioner well captain wells me say you might be familiar with this but when we did the hudson channel years ago the army corps actually wanted us to be at 75 foot width for some reason it didn't go that way i mean chairman i mean the channel right now is probably 20 foot wide it's not

it's not very wide heading out to the east and it's not very deep i can tell you if you're talking about making a five foot minimum a medium low tide that's going to work for those business folks that are that can't get out now during low tide but 60 foot wide would be great but it's not very wide you can barely get by two boats a big boat coming in going out you have to go you know so anyhow let me ask you about signal cover you with the design i saw it's still going to zigzag where it does now you're not going to be able to make it go straight like out there at that point it's still going to come across and zigzag yeah looking at the signal cove main channel it's a very narrow channel it is uh and you're you're very limited in what you can do because of the previously it looks like that area was drilled and blast you can still see the old drill holes we still have some relic rubble rock rubble boulders that are within the channel the entrance channel looks like they took all of the limestone rubble and just side cassettes you've got a very hard structure on one side you have that long mangrove eye lined island on one side and then we have some vegetated spoil islands on another you know we looked at if it was possible to easily expand that channel width but it really isn't and it's definitely not going to be a maintenance dredging project we're really between the channel toes you've only got about 25 maybe 30 feet there we did do some jet probings through there and we can maintain that we didn't have any that showed us that there was existing ledge rock now we only did a limited preliminary investigation to see where the rock was but it looks like we could maintain that but as far as going wider that would be a much larger scale project because of that existing rock and i don't see you going wider but when you're looking at your whatever machine you use for sonar are you able to show that so show the silt compared to the lime rock the silten areas have to be three four foot thick that can just be removed i mean do you have that in the numbers that i can see at some point as far as because i even think out towards the end um it's just silt i mean you can there's some areas in that channel once it's zigzag and starts coming into the west that's eight foot deep and then there's some that are four or less especially at the low tide i mean they're more like a foot you know yeah yeah you can take a look through the survey data as well as the everything else that we'll be

delivering to the county uh it is very well showed in there and it does drop off like you said quite deep once you get inside yeah because we i mean ultimately i think if and when we can get this done and we get it dredged we're going to need to as a as a county look at the safest way and it probably needs to be idle only around that corner because it's very dangerous but but if it but you have to go fast now you can't make it because it's so shallow so all right yeah mr um captain wells again um interesting we found in the past couple of weeks is that this at the start of the leisure beach channel instead of like going all the way up there used to be a cut going all the way across that shows up in the map we've actually sent the dep about trying to get the us to get back our jurisdiction back that connection point could bring us all the way straight across to connecting to up to the city ranching and then going back out this is that it's right below the redneck river riviera they call it okay yeah so that connection was actually there and established many years ago so frankly i think later on we we're going to be able to abso uh walk away from that 12 13 marker cutting across where we knew that was going to be tough to get into the army corps and in dep we're going to be able to avoid even having to do that connection just make that lower connection coming out and around and commissioner i do want to also point out that this cost here these are the maintenance dredging costs and this does not include that new work hudson extension the the uh construction estimate for that is included in the report but is not summarized in this uh table here because we're focusing here on the maintenance dredging side okay do i have any other questions at this time okay well thank you for your report thank you with that i'll turn it over to justin to discuss the financials so i go ahead mr biles yes mr chair if you would like you know we could pause now because at this point we don't really need the consultants anymore okay and we could come back later with the rest of the team uh and they can go on their way and then because the discussion after this is a financial discussion and a next step discussion pleasure i'll leave it i'll do it to the board i mean let me just go but yeah um the financial i can wait i'd like to ask a couple of questions and about because i thought we'd do it later on with the consultant good okay good so i