09.21.2020 Board of County Commissioners (BCC) Hybrid Virtual Meeting (Afternoon Session)

I went through the same thing. I finally had it retitled in California to me and then retitled it in Florida. Yeah. Okay. Yes. That was totally your mask. It doesn't matter. What's that? Got a mask on. It doesn't matter. I love it. All right. Great to see her. You guys join us. We're live everybody to see you now. I thought she good. Good afternoon everybody. Um like to call back to order the Paso County Board of County Commission meeting for September 21st, 2020 and also remind everyone to silence your cellular devices at this time as well as if we can mute our microphones if you're not speaking. We're going to go ahead and proceed with a public hearing agenda starting with item P1, ordinances. Madam Clerk, do we have approve for item P1? Yes. Item P1 was published in the Tampa Bay Times, June 24th, 2020. Your daddy. Thank you, ma'am. Good afternoon. Good afternoon, Mr. Chair. Good afternoon, commissioners. Denise Hernandez, Planning and Development. Item P1 is PDD20 0755. And this is the adoption hearing on this item. It's an ordinance amending the Pasco County comprehensive plan providing for large scale comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use maps map 2-15 and sheet 04 changing from res 3 to res 6 excuse me on appro approximately 37.77 acres of real property located on the east side of Colony Road south of Fairwinds Road approximately half a mile north of State Road 52 with associated sub area policy future land use 7.1.54 4 Colony Road and an amendment to the future land use sub area map 2-954 Colony Road providing for repealer severability and an effective date. Uh today we ask that you adopt this ordinance by roll call vote. Okay. Thank you. We have any questions before I go to public comment? Any questions from the board? No questions. Okay. This is a public hearing. Madam clerk, do we have anybody signed up via WebEx or any emails in reference to this item for P1? No one has on the WebEx link and there's no email. Excellent. Okay. Anybody should be an applicant for this, however. Okay. I didn't see him on there. So, hold on. I still get I didn't get to ask if there's anybody at the kiosk. Sorry. Is there anybody at the kiosk? There is nobody at the kiosk. All right. Does the applicant have anything to say or would you like us to go ahead and move forward? [Music] Let's see. Is there anybody? I don't see anybody on there. I'm here, Mr. Chairman. Barbara will

height on behalf of the I've been recognized. We support Scott's recommendation. Okay. Thank you, ma'am. Any questions for the applicant? See none. It is back to the board. Second. A motion in a second. This is a roll call vote. Madam clerk, please call the role. District one, Commissioner Oakley. I. District three, Commissioner Starky. I think she's on. District four, Commissioner Wells. I. District 5, Commissioner Mariano. Hi. District two, Chairman War. I. Motion passes 40. Thank you. All right. Give me one sec here. Okay. [Music] Okay. So, now we're going to go ahead and move on to Commissioner Moore. I did vote yes. Commissioner Moore, I did vote yes. Okay. We couldn't hear you. I'm sorry. Yeah. All right. We'll jot it down. Thank you. Now, we're going to proceed with the procedures for resonings. Mr. County Attorney, Mr. Steiner, please review procedures for resonings. Mr. Chairman, I'll be happy to. There are two reasonzoning agendas, regular and consent. Staff will present each application to the board of county commissioners. If staff or planning commission has recommended approval and there's no opposition, the application will be considered by the board without further presentation. If staff or planning commission has recommended denial or if there is opposition to the application, the applicant will be given five minutes for presentation. The opposition will be given three minutes for each individual or five minutes for a group representative. and the applicant will be given three minutes for rebuttal. Any individual disagreeing with staff for planning commission recommendation or anyone wishing to object to any condition of the resoning may at this time request a petition be pulled from the consent agenda in which case that application will be heard under the regular agenda later on during the meeting. Otherwise, all resoning applications on the consent agenda will be approved by a single motion and vote. If you wish to speak to any petition, please give your name and address and whether or not you've been sworn for the record. These are quasi judicial public hearings. The law in Florida is that mere public support or opposition of an application is insufficient for this board to take action. Please limit your comments to those criteria found within the board's land development code. All right. Thank you so much. Today we have five public hearings on the consent agenda. These items will be approved by one vote without a presentation unless there is someone here in objection. Those that are pre-registered are at the public comment kiosk to speak to any of

the items on the public hearing agenda. Prior to speaking, you'll be sworn in by the clerk. So, at this time, madam clerk, um, for the list provided, if you could swear in each person individually per agenda. I don't actually I don't like that. Let's just go ahead and do them all at once. Okay. If you are here to speak on the um public hearing items, please raise your right hand. Right hand. Do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth? So help you God. [Music] Pretty sure everybody said I do. Okay, Mr. Hernandez. Go to P2. Item P2 was published in the Tempe Times August 19th, 2020. P2 P2 is PDD20 CU36 conditional use and operating permit. Cypress Preserve A41 LLC land excavation and MPUD master plan unit development district comes to with a recommendation to continue to the 10620 BCC meeting at 1:30 in Date City. Yeah, I do have before we take a motion I do have to ask for public comment. No, not last time. I did it was advert this was advertised as a continuence. Oh, it was advertised as a continuence. Well, there we go. That's even better. Move to continue time. Second. I have a motion by Commissioner Mariano. I have a second by Commissioner Oakley to continue this item to a time certain on 106 and date city at 1:30. Madam clerk, please call the role. District one, Commissioner Oakley. I. District three, Commissioner Starky. I. District four, Commissioner Wells. I. District five, Commissioner Mariano. I. District two, Chairman Moore. I. Motion passes 50. Thank you. P3 is being withdrawn. I'd like to state the publication record. Uh P item P3 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on June 24th, 2020. Thank you. Read the title was withdrawn if you want. PDD20 CU20. Um CNRV Enterprises LLC T-Mobile Reliant Towers. This was withdrawn by the applicant. So no action is required today. Thank you. Okay. T4. Moving on with the consent. Madam clerk, please uh read the publication. Publication. Yes. Uh, P4 was published in the Tampa Bay Times August 19th, 2020. P4 is PD 27352, PAL Materials, MPUD, master plan unit development, RBR, Properties of West Florida LLC. It's a resoning request from AC agricultural district, C2 general commercial district and I1 Line Industrial Park District to an MPUD master plan unit development district to allow the construction of an ind industrial material sorting facility 500,000 ft of industrial and 150,000 square feet of commercial on approximately 65.71 acres. Comes to with a recommendation of approval with conditions from the planning and

development department and the planning commission. Thank you. Do we have anybody on WebEx signed up to speak on this item? No one has signed up on WebEx to speak to this item. Email or email? No. Anybody at the kiosk to speak to item P4? There's nobody at the kiosk for that item. Okay. Thank you. Leave on consent. P5 publication, please. Sorry. It's okay. I know we're like we're a little lost up here today. There's a lot of a lot of things going on. Item P5 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on August 26, 2020. PDD 27494, Paul F and Beverly A. Rinith is for a change in zoning from MPUD master plan unit development district to an AR agricultural residential district. Comes to you with a recommendation of approval from the planning and development department in the planning commission. Thank you. Um, is there anybody signed up to object to this item via WebEx, email? No one has signed up for P5 WebEx or email. Anybody the kiosk? There is nobody at the kiosk for that item. All right. Thank you. No objection. Leave on consent. P6. I know we have somebody signed up if I'm not correct. So before we get to it, um we do have somebody I think at this time at the kiosk. Okay. Go ahead and read the um publication, please. Yes. Uh was published P6 was published in the Tampa Bay Times August 26, 2020. Okay. P20 PDD207494. 7495 rather. Earl J. Bartholomew change in zoning from AR agricultural residential district an AC agricultural district and a C2 general commercial district to a C2 general commercial district comes to you with a recommendation of approval from the planning and development department and the planning commission. Thank you. So do we have anybody in addition on WebEx or any emails? No one to sign up on WebEx and no emails on this item. So we do have one person at the kiosk if um that states they would like to object to this item. Go ahead and just um for the record if you could pull that up real quick. for the kiosk. For the record, the person at the kiosk is Mr. Bartholomew, who's the applicant. Oh, okay. So, nobody in objection to this item. Let's double check just in case. Okay, here's Mr. Bartholomew on the screen. Okay, no objections. Just hear if there's any questions. Okay, so we do not have anybody that's here that objectives item. So, with

that, we will leave it on consent. Thank you. Uh P7, item P7 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on August 26, 2020. PDD 207498 in the name of Brandon Ray Sodtoayor for a change in zoning from AC agricultural district to an AR agricultural residential district. The applicant has voluntarily agreed to record a deed restriction limiting it to two lots and one residential dwelling unit on each lot. Um comes to you with a recommendation of approval from the planning and development department and the planning commission. Thank you. Do we have anybody signed up by via WebEx or any emails in objection? Did we? No. No one signed up via WebEx or email. Anybody at the kiosk? There is nobody at the kiosk for that item. All right, we'll leave that on consent. PA item PA was published in Tampa Bay Times on August 23rd, 2020. This item is an um a transmitt item to the DEO. PDD20739. It's a large scale comprehensive plan amendment CPA 209 for the Trinity Corporate Center. transmitter of proposed larges scale comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use map 2-15 in sheet 19 changing from IIL industrial light to PD plan development on approximately 65 acres of real property a text amendment creating sub area policy future land use 7.1.55 Trinity corporate center an amend and an amendment to the future land use map 2-9 adding sub area map 2-955 trinity corporate center again this is just an a transmitt that you authorize transmitt to the department of economic opportunity and and other reviewing agencies. Thank you, ma'am. Do we have anybody signed up in objection to this item on either WebEx or email? No one on WebEx or email. Anybody at the kiosk? There is nobody for that item at the kiosk. With that, we leave on consent and I'll entertain a motion to approve the consent agenda. So move. A motion by Commissioner Oakley, a second by Commissioner Mariano. Madam Clerk, please call the role. District one, Commissioner Oakley. I. District three, Commissioner Starky. I. District four, Commissioner Wells. I. District five, Commissioner Mariano. I. District two, Chairman Moore. I. Motion passes 500. Thank you. Now, we're going to move on to the regular public hearing items. Each one will be presented by staff and the applicant. I will call for public comment on each one of those. And we have one P. P9. Yes. Item P9 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on August 16th, 2020 and August 23rd, 2020. Good afternoon. Joanne Ravita, Real Property and Planning. The Real Property

team has received a petition to vacate a portion of a platted drainage and access easement filed by Shashanka Kempul. Petitioner has requested the vacation for the purpose of constructing a deck and is requesting to vacate only 5T of the 15oot easement. There were no objections to this petition. The team recommends approval. Thank you. Any questions, questions, comments? No. Okay. Mr. Chairman, I do have a question. Go ahead. Was the CDD contacted about this easement? Yes, it was. Uh they executed a um an encroachment easement for the um petitioner to build this deck. Okay. So, you but you didn't upload that in desire. I did not. Okay. But so CDD has no objection to their to their easement being vacated. That is correct. Okay. Okay. Do we have anybody signed up via WebEx or email? The applicant uh has signed up through WebEx and that's all. Yeah. Okay. Great. Do anybody at the kiosk? There is nobody at the kiosk for this item. Would the applicant like to uh comment on this item or answer any questions? He was here just for a matter of if there were questions. Okay. Seeing no, I move for approval. Second. A motion and a second. Motion by Commissioner um Wells and I think I got a second by Commissioner Oakley. Madam clerk, please call the role. District one, Commissioner Oakley. I. District three, Commissioner Starky. I. District four, Commissioner Wells. I. District five, Commissioner Mariano. I. District two, Chairman Moore. I. Motion passes 5-0. Thank you for that. And we do have one more item remaining, but that will come back to us at 5:15 for all you on your edge of your seats at home watching this. Um, so we would go back to or let me say is it R3? R3. Let's go back to R3 and continue that. All right. Good afternoon. Justin Grant, director, public public infrastructure, fiscal and business administration. This is the continuation of R3 earlier this afternoon presenting judging options. I'll wait here for a moment. I'm going to pull up the presentation. We have some visual fees for you guys. Perfect. Thank you. Okay. Uh so the aim here is to generally define the benefiting areas for assessment, right? So indirect to direct benefiting. So going right to left on that map there, uh you're looking at the section B there in yellow going to section A. Um dividing lines there are west of Little Road and west of US19. And the two smaller areas there pictured is Hudson

and Golf Harbors. Those are you guys are familiar with those boundary lines. And then the table here to the left gives you a pictorial of how many uh parcels are in each one of those areas. Uh and if you add Hudson and Golf Harbors, that makes the fifth uh division of areas. Uh recognize there's limitations to this analysis. This slide and the very next slide is for illustration and estimation purposes only. Um if the board should move to choose to move forward, um any special assessment district would require legal definitions for the exact benefits and and assessments. Next slide, please. So this slide is put together here to give everything um on a $1 million uh cost of construction. So everything on an incremental basis, this is basically um perspective to look at what that would cost uh from the different units on an MSTU for west of Little Road, you're looking at about 225 uh 450 for the MSTU west of 19. MSBU looking at 375 uh for that area. And then a combined MSU MSBU this would be Golf Harbors and um and Hudson put together that would be 1875. Obviously that number is larger due to the smaller number of partials contained within that. Um you have the millillage the top two uh there um are MSTUs. Those use millillage methodology and the bottom two are MSBUs that use flat assessments. Okay. I believe that is the great Brford can bring us up to wrap up. Thank you sir. Thank you. Thank you Justin. Good afternoon chair and commissioners. Um Bramford Aduma public director. So what are the next steps? We will pursue grants to help reduce the cost of the project. Please note most grants require matching funds on our part. We'll bring back before the board an assessment methodology and rate for a MSBU or MSTU based on commission direction today. We do recommend an MSBU for an assessment methodology for this project. We will meanwhile secure temporary funding in public works for the permitting and design of the project. The funds will be reimbursed later. We will also need one full-time project management position in public works to manage dredging projects. Permitting design and procurement for completing the project would take between 18 to 24 months. And this concludes our presentation. Uh if you have any further questions, we are available to address them. Before I if you don't want me to ask a question, you're stating that the time to permit design and the procurement is 25 months. So, do we have a guesstimate on the advice from the consultant on how long the project itself would take for the construction? Correct. Six months. Six months. Yes. Oh, wow. So, okay. So it's 25 for the permitting side but only six months to construct. Okay. Commissioner Mariana. Um and this is early in the stage and I

think if you heard the presentation today when we talked about the coastal restoration call it a taking back to jurisdiction D is a huge game changer from all the numbers that we've seen already. If we can take back jurisdiction we'll save a lot of that pering time and and talk to a consultant who agree 100%. That's the time to go take a look at everything. So, I think the next thing we need to do is really follow that through. Uh they say we should be able to get that permit uh answer within 30 days. Uh and I think from there we can then go take a close look to where we're at. Part of the reason we wanted to stop was because once you initiate a per you have to stick with it. We didn't want to have that. didn't want to have a meeting and that's why they kind of stopped where they're at. But it's going to be very easy to pick up and vote for. Um, one thing I will say is the chair of the refract committee when we do the approvals of the part one money for the first allocation and the part three money. Uh, everyone said they thought bridging was a good application of that money. I I I think the committee will still feel that way. We do need to get it before them at some point. I don't think we're ready for that yet because we don't know how the number is going to play out. Um, the aquatic preserve was a big conversation we had this spring on what legislator was passing that through. If the D approves what we're pulling back, 99% of everything we talked about and we're worried about that product reserve will go away. It will come under this as a existing channel already. It simplifies that whole process. So I think we could take all that permitting process and now it's on us that permitting might be able to get done within two or three months just uh I think it's good to look at the NU and Mike you've heard before the uh the brilliance of your paving assessment you had done I feel I'm being heard better now yes um the brilliance of what you had done with the Highlands paving assessment but we had the whole Highlands community different levels of service were needed up and down and we took the whole thing we set up nine different segments even though it's the same MSBU. I think it's a similar approach here because let's say if Gulf Harbors just needs, you know, 50 grand worth of work, then that's what their share should be. If Hudson needs a bit more, then so be it and up and down the whole coast, I think it's an easy allocation. I think it's important and and maybe we'll get more from OM about this, but I think the TIFF is going to be the ultimate way to go and the fairest way to go because it'll be less impactful, but financially it could be the most lucrative when word gets out and we start the dredging up and down this coast and and already I'm hearing very very positive things up and down about they're excited about the dredging. They want to see it come quicker. Uh they want to see it happen.

They know it's going to improve their neighborhood value. They know it's going to improve the up and down area. And let's face it, US19 if it gets this boost will be phenomenally improved. Uh and I think you'll see a lot of great things happen just naturally. So somehow we need to work with OM let them figure out how we could do a tax increment financing program with this so that that can actually help pay for a lot of this cost. And we talked before this morning about there are some tweaking that need to be done, some studies need to be done because there's already some existing tip that we need to look and maybe separate out. So that can be a conversation. Maybe we can start now. We kind of got some good groundwork and maybe in the next 30 days or 60 days maybe come back with a better plan to do that. But I think the MSB you would would be wellreceived. I think the TIF would be even more wellreceived and we might even find with restore money coming out that uh we can make this a very affordable program uh that will benefit the citizens all over the county every step of the way. Mr. B, you had a question? Just a couple notes on that. You know, there are three counties that have had delegated authority from D and I've looked at all the documents and unless we get a special agreement with D, none of them allow them to permit their own work. So, that's going to be a hurdle we're going to have to jump over. Every one of them requires their own permits to still go through D. So, that's going to be an issue we're going have to deal with, which may or may not help this. Furthermore, those agreements have been not just for specific things but been generally globally with respect to D permits. So anyway, and with respect to the tiff, I'm not sure if you're referring to the current transportation tiff or a different one. I think they they're going to need some clarification as to what you're referring to with respect to the tiff. Well, and this morning he came to me to talk about, oh, you can't have two tiffs in the same spot. So that may be something that does have to get discussed and gone through. How are we going to make it happen? Um I think for West Pasco, you know, if I had to look at transportation, do I really need a transportation mech or do we need dredging? I think up and down we'll say that this would be definitely be the the way to go for it, but that's something we can take a look at. Um, as far as the pering with D with what we have for pre-existing canals between before April 3rd, 1970, I think it's a discussion from what I'm hearing that we can actually segregate out what we can do. Um, just wanted to put caution on the delegation. The delegation if they're maintenance dredges, yeah, that's that's different than dredging your channel, but right that's it's that's everything we're looking at right now. Everything we're talking about is just all channels

existing before 1970. So I'm not looking to go outside that scope. I'm sticking a right small focus. I don't want to change anything else that Swiffman's doing, DEB is doing. I want to just work on the maintenance channels so I can change the bureaucracy from just dealing with the state and the Army Corps to stick right in Pasco County. And I think we have already a coastal person already in place u that can start, but we can bring a dredging person on full-time, which I think would be a good benefit as well to make sure these things get well. And it could be even a partial position. I don't know. we can look at as it comes out. So, what I'm saying is I've looked at the three other delegations and none of them allow the county to permit themselves. If it's a maintenance channel, it it's just the language is any permit done by the jurisdiction has to go to DP. It's flat out in every one of their agreements. So, that's an issue we'd have to deal with on that. Anyway, have we sub Have we submitted that, Mike? I'll have to check with staff. There are some um there's some more detail that we think we're going to need to add to it. Of course, the you know, the D will probably come back with requests for additional information as as we go through it. We still have time, you know, given, you know, if the direction is to continue moving with with the uh with the project, we're going to probably have to put out a solicitation for a consultant anyways, which is about a six-month process. So before we would even begin the the final design efforts, we can certainly work all that in parallel, which will be a good thing. So we're we're excited about it. Staff is looking into all the historical documents. Some of the work that we can build on with GPA that that shows, you know, the underwater surveys will be helpful in in that in that matter, but we've got a little more information we got to put into it for D. Right. And and again, I'm I'm comfortable taking these next steps to go forward. The wind talking to the consultant thinks if we do get this done, it'll be a tremendous savings for us in time, energy, etc. or so. I think it's something we can get done based upon what the other three have done without even doing anywhere near what they're doing. I'm just trying to look at the channels that we built pre1970 April 3rd. I have a couple questions too. Um talk to me about some of the possible grant opportunities that are out there. I know typically there is a match to it, but which ones do we think we have um the best chance of um acquiring? So there there are a number of grants out there, Commissioner to to discuss specifics. I'm I'm not not really prepared to to talk about the specific grants. There are a lot of of opportunities. Um but each grant has its

own specific narrow little thing to it, right? So some grants you may need to make sure you're doing X and not not Y. And so part of the direction that we'd be looking for from the board is to go ahead and be able to expend resources. We want to go out and put a serious effort into it knowing that as we put together a funding mechanism, we're going to be able to say in those grant applications, yeah, we're going to we're going to be able to come up with a match. We're going to be able to have, you know, a mechanism to to pay. So, there is a little bit of of of some start that we need. Uh Restore is is obviously a uh an an alternative uh that that's real money that's there. Um but there are a number of other federal grants. It just again it depends on what you're going to do with the dredging spoils and the type of work that you're doing. There's a gentleman as we all know named Alan Rose that sends us emails on a pretty consistent basis and shows opportunities. I did talk to Dan about some of those and we know that some are attainable and possibly they would have worked 20 or 30 years ago if I'm not correct with some of those opportunities. Some of that's attainable and some of that is probably not permittable not permittable anymore. But uh from those lists he sends, are some of those grants possible opportunities of what you're speaking of? On on the surface perhaps on others like like Dan said, you know, we can't go out and create coastal barriers on top of and I understand they they would not be allowed these days, but some of the other opportunities. Yes. Yes, I just bring that up as an example because I know he has approached us on numerous occasions and has sent multiple so obviously he's done some you know some due diligence about opportunities there. Commissioner Mariano. Yes. And there there are some grants one that we're looking at right now with Congress Bill's office. The Chaffy grant that's out there that's a huge amount of money that we could tap into that ties right into the coastal preservation. Uh oyster beds oyster there's all sorts of money available for that as well. So forming a jetti, as we've talked, these things can go around. Um the other permitting of the islands will be tough etc. But there's so many opportunities out there to get it for anything to improve water quality. And I think you were talking about the Venice project. I don't think the same one I'm thinking of, but that was water quality funded across the board that ties in very close to what we're doing here in the Hudson Channel, the numbers, etc. What we've got to do is get down to the source of what the problem is. Right now, just to kind of highlight, I was going to get this in the committee reports, but I'll I'll go over it now. We had Nine Florida out at Hudson Beach because there was some rumors around, okay, are the pipes going under the canals and that's what's causing the leaking, etc., etc. So, we went with

Nine Florida, and I heard this before, but I wanted to get it verified. So, by the way, Mike, thank you for setting up that meeting. It was was phenomenal. Uh, they've got plastic pipe going up and down Clark Street, uh, Harbor Drive, Old Dixie, etc. All brand new stuff that's not leaking whatsoever. some stuff can get in there, but it's not causing anything that's going to get out and there's nothing going under the canals. So, one of the things we have to do is we got to isolate where that pollution is coming from. Uh, we find it's at the base where the shrimpers are. We find it's also coincidentally out by the pavilion of Hudson where Hudson Beach is. It's also on the Skeleton Key exit going out where there's a lot of bacteria there. And we probably going to struggle with trying to figure out exact one there. Could be Boers dropping the stuff before they kind of get inside. Yeah. When I look at Hudson Beach at low tide and we're just kind of out there the other day when we had NY Florida out there. I'm looking at all the birds. I mean, you had black birds, seagulls, you had ducks. Everybody's out there in like a feeding frenzy in that area. Well, while all the birds are there, guess what they're going to do. But leave their poop. Right. Right. That's going to go. I think that's partly what those numbers are coming up to be. So, when we go look at putting that seaw wall going all the way around there and raise it all up, you're not going to have that feeding frenzy anymore and you're going to be able to control that bacteria. If we can isolate to the bacteria like they did down in Venice, we can go then get extra grant funding to say here's what we're going to do. Here's how it's going to prevent. So, it is a exciting process right now, but it's going to just take a little bit more uh uh diagrams to go forward. Staff's I think already got their report that's already been sent back to D what we found and we're going to take that next step with them to work with him. But there's so much money in water quality. The governor was just talking about it this past week how much money is out there. So water quality is critical and that's what all these things will do going out forward. And we might even find there's some silt on some of these dredges projects that's coming right from the roadway. Well, should should the people have to pay for that or maybe we should look at using storm water to be able to take that part out. So a lot of moving parts right now. I am excited Mike your team the time we're taking the consultants doing a great job. So I know we're moving quickly with it and I think the timelines you see and the costs you see are are going to you know all go down. But just give us a little time to keep on working it. All right. Thank you, sir. Mr. Chairman. Yes, sir. Commissioner Oakley. So, we have to to get our permits, we have to go through D to get those permits.

I would I would think we need to go after every grant we can get and we're going to have to have matching funds with those grants. So which is the best way to um the taxes the MSBU or MSTU which is best used? So staff has recommended that we pursue the MSBU for those specific communities that are that are being assessed with an understanding of what that is. We we know about what our match could potentially be and so every grant would be sought to reduce that balance. Okay. All right. Sounds good, Mr. Chairman. Mr. S. So, the MSBU is a benefit unit. We'd have to prove a that that acreage that we are levying those assessments on benefit from the project. An MSTU is a taxing unit that that we could levy an additional millage for municipal purposes, that being dredging. So, one's a taxing unit, one's a benefit unit. There are strings with the benefit unit. Um, but the other one is is levying additional milling. Okay. So, can I can I ask one more question? So, just as a followup, um, I'm going to make an assumption that as time goes on, we'll have community meetings, meetings with the residents to make sure we get receive their input. obviously. Um, okay. Just want to make sure that because obviously that's very important to make sure that we that the residents this is something they want to pursue and want to move forward with. Yes, we know we have heard from quite a few that would, but obviously it's obviously want to give those those folks the opportunity. So, go commissioner Mariana. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yeah, I will tell you from four years ago plus now we had that first meeting over at C Ranch where we had people all the way from Bailey's Bluff up to seat binds, right? all the different communities showing interest in this and they've been I'll say excitedly waiting as we make keep on making progress with this coming forward. Um so I I know that when we get to it everybody knows um that they're going to benefit from it and they see willing to participate as well. Uh just looking to make sure we make the best move possible. Uh I would like to add when we do look at the MSBU there's an area on Old Dixie Highway where there's a it's not even a bridge it's like 10 feet wide or so. There was a canal that goes right across from Hudson. Years ago, they lowered it down to now if you're in a pontoon boat at high tide. You've got to lay down to be able to go under that bridge. There's about 250 partals that are in there. So, if we're going to go kind of do something for improving dredging, etc., I think those canals should be in it as well as a separate unit from where the bridge is going back through it. And I would think that if we come to a plan, we might even for that one unit as well to look at raising that bridge up. It'll

take 200 homes that are either just can't get through the Gulf with any any type of boat whatsoever um uh other than a pontoon to be able to go there and boat access. You could take 250 units and all of a sudden make them prime Gulf property that can go right into a canal. So, we can add that into this mix. I think it'd be a good addition. I think everybody else west of 19 you can show a clear benefit for everybody. So I have another question and this could be answered by commissioners or or the or the team. Hudson channel. So we're looking at the cost of possibly $7 million. Um I know we discussed this a little bit more but that's not just a benefit for the residents that are there that live there. I mean, that's a benefit for commercial fisherman, that's a benefit to the public in general. Um, so I guess the question is, you know, when it comes to an MSBU and referring to Hudson Channel, I mean, how how much should local residents be paying for that portion when there is quite a bit of, you know, quite a bit of benefit for the general public too or commercial fishermen that actually don't live on the areas? That's a that's a great point. So maybe it is something to take a look at. Maybe it's not quite the same high degree on the west side of 19, but everybody will benefit from it. Good point. Yeah, we can certainly consider the commercial aspects of of the dredging and who other other properties that may benefit from that, marinas, fishermanmen, etc. Mr. Chairman, yes. Yes, Commissioner. Can we let me just follow that up real quick and and I'm with you. Um, so when we look at opportunities or grant opportunities, is there any type of economic grant or funding that could be tied into this? Right. I don't know off hand. That's just open question. Maybe something to not maybe. Let's look into that. So, Commissioner Starky, go ahead, please. Well, I just wanted to say I know uh most of the citizens I run into in Gulf Harbors are very uh excited about the dredge. I know there's um some boats that uh can't get out. Actually heard one running run into a rock the other day. Um as far as Hudson Channel, I would say uh even our boat, we we won't go in there anymore. We're very well we're very nervous to go in there to get gas at low tide. So, um, not just for commercial fish commercial fishermen located there, but boats that are traveling up and down the coast, it it'll open that up for more economic opportunity from those boats as well. Right. Very good. Thank you, Commissioner Commissioner Mariano. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And you know one one really interesting thing of all this research we've been doing and staff again doing a great job finding out that the Hudson channel was 6t deep 75 ft

wide when we had a dredge back in '04 we had to give up they said at 4.75 to acceptable number we still had a whole bunch of rocks that were in there we can't seem to find that map but it doesn't matter we've got it all mapped out now anyway I am very optimistic at 70 foot wide 6 ft deep going across the board that whole channel is going to change uh in a big way that area between safety uh economics as well that that's going to be much much better. So six so I think it needs to be deeper than six feet though. I mean some of those larger boats what do you think they draft? I mean that's kind of close for some of them. That's mean low. Yeah. Okay. And if I could chairman and this may be something and I I probably should have thought about it but I I believe the old Hudson channel is deeper than the new Hudson channel. We probably ought to have had them maybe add to the scope to look at the old Hudson channel. It's just to the north of where the one is now. Um, a lot of boats use that old channel because it's deeper and it's wider. So, I'm just I didn't really think about it, but I know there's a lot of the fishermen that come in there by catches or not catches, but uh Mike Stockside up there that um that use that. So, just it might be something where they could they're going to sonar. It wouldn't be that much more. I I know the contract's almost up, but just throwing it out there. It might be worth looking at. I you know, I I don't know. I'm just throwing it out there, you know. So, Commissioner Mayh. Yeah. C Captain Wells, if you would No, I mean, I I would like I mean, you we're all you guys are all very astute as far as voting goes, but if you would that map that we have of the uh Army Corps, we get it from the Army Corps that 75 foot deep. Um, we'll make that available to everybody as well to go take a look at and please get with staff, go take a look at that and then go check those those markers out and just kind of find out because I think you'll kind of want find one markers like really offc center. We got to change it, but if you would take a really close look at that as we go forward with this. Okay. Thank you. Any other questions? Any other comments? So now staff does need some type of direction today to move forward um to continue to obviously spend any any uh public funds on this. So So I'll tell you what I've heard and just to make sure is that uh the board is comfortable with with us continuing to proceed with uh next level design activities and and fleshing out the the project more. the understanding that that will public works will will borrow those funds from somewhere within its public works funding um to to pay for it. Uh with the understanding that that would be reimbursed whenever we get to the next phase which right now sounds like an MSBU for those specific benefiting units uh to also consider including uh commercial and and those

types of activities. In the meantime, we'll we'll we'll continue on parallel paths. I mean, that's generally what I've heard. Commission in with the TIFF as well. I'm sorry, sir. Yes, of course. And I think just for the public that's watching this today too, again, we're looking at m continue to look at multiple options, multiple funding options with the caveat for grants, of course, we're going to look Yeah. to get as much funding we can from any type of grant from state to the federal level. Mr. chairman um in the in the BP restore act money as well is a very big source and not only part one and part three to bring something get ready for the committee but I think this is something so broad-based up and down our whole coast for water quality that the part two money this is ideal project for that and especially we get the state behind us getting some of their matching monies we could go to work with that whole council to get a whole bunch more money you might get the whole thing funded it could be that good of a project that would be pretty awesome timeline. Again, just for the public that's watching, um when can we get to the point where there's public some type of public meeting or public engagement? Um what would what would you like to do and your team like to do or complete before we get to that point? So, I don't think that there's ever really uh uh you can ever do community engagement uh too late in the process or too early, I should say. um you know uh we would we could certainly we're certainly have enough information right now that we could take a pulse. So you know an early community meeting over the course of the next few months is is certainly doable and then as we get through the the final design phase. Uh I would I would probably suggest a second community meeting there and we can have a little more fleshed out in terms of costs. we'll know more about grants and we can we can have we can have those discussions so folks will really understand how it will affect them economically both in terms of valuation of their properties as well as what they're going to end up paying in in uh future taxes. So maybe working with your coastal commissioners to together with them to get through that process. And I I think you know maybe the West Pasco board of Realtors might be a good place centrally located for everybody to go to. I we could do it here to a degree, but I think there's more room there to space people out. Um I think the I think the first one we had four years ago, we probably had about 60 or 70 people there. I would expect at least that many to show up again. And even if we had to do two phases with the meeting that you might need to do, I'm happy I'm happy to do that. So as soon as you think you could put an agenda item together back, we can

schedule it. And we don't need that much notice, I don't think, to get let people know. We can do a couple of them if need be, but at least like this is the here's the initial one that we have coming up to to update you where we're at. And whenever you think you can make that arrangement, I'm happy to happy to be there and make that fit my schedule, too. Look at your capacity. Make sure you follow the the guidelines of the 50 under, spread them out, and then maybe you said do two phases, three phases, reservations, reservations, and whoever get in the first gives them the second time. Okay. Very good. Cool. Sounds like you got direction. Anything else, Mr. Biles, on this item? Not on that item. Okay. Okay, great. So, that does it for regular agenda and we're going to move on to miscellaneous and I will start with Commissioner Oakley. Okay. Um I guess I got a question for the other commissioners. It seems like in my district um I have some issues come up about our landscape ordinance. And the fact of it is when you take a small business and going through COVID and everything that they're doing, they're trying to um this particular one business trying to fix an outside area for people to be able to wait cuz it's a very small restaurant and um with that addition and putting a new roof on it, I guess it's triggered and maybe Mr. Turman could answer this. is triggered that they have to upgrade all their uh landscaping. And for a small business like I'm talking about, it seems like the cost of upgrading their landscape is just very very expensive and makes it prohibitive from them to be able to, you know, clean up their business and uh to help themselves. Um I has any other members found out that the landscape ordinance has affected some of these business and it's too extreme. I think it's right for some businesses but your old mom and pop and those those type businesses. A lot of times those lots are very small and there's hardly room for that type of landscape. So, I'm not saying they don't do anything, but it just seems like an overabundance landscape. So, Commissioner Oakley. Oh, so Commissioner, hold on one second. I got two hands up here. So, I'm sorry. Um, Sally wanted to go ahead and have Commissioner Mariana, then I'll be able to get to you. Give me one second. You You wait. Okay. I'll give Commissioner Mariana, then Commissioner Starky, and then Sally. I I was going to say I agree with Commissioner Oakley as far as that is causing a problem uh up and down 19 smaller lots trying to retrofit something. I think it's really hurt redevelopment up along 19. Um I you know I I think if we try to work with them more like maybe we take those you know tree mitigation funds money we

have and and and give them an incentive to go do it. Not make them change the park and not make them do everything but help them improve the property. I think it would be a much better approach to go. So maybe we could tweak it. We we want to make everything look good 100% for it, but do we want to cause a burden to really affect their business? Should it really be tied to a roof? I'd say no. Commissioner Starky. Um, you know, I like Commissioner Mariano's idea of maybe helping them more. Um, but we don't, you know, we don't know the facts here. I I want to make sure first of all that um they know that right off the bat there's $10,000 that we can help them with their landscaping. Commissioner Oakley. Um but but let's look and see if um there's some way that we can even offer more because we don't want it to be a disincentive and not let these businesses expand, but we also don't want to keep um them in the the the style that we had back in the 70s and prior to that where you could put put your building, pave the whole parking lot, put in no landscaping, that that doesn't help the county either. So I think I think we should find a way that we can help beat that. Yeah, this thank you for that. But it's it's not the fact of not doing any. It's the fact that it seems to be an overabundance of landscape where you got such a small plot there's basically almost no room for it. So and I think Miss Sherman is working with this group that I'm talking about now and she's you're going to be sitting back down with them, I think, aren't you, Miss Sherman? Unfortunately, Commissioner, I was just I just received an email that they cancelled the meeting that we had set up because I'm sure if given if given the opportunity, we would have been able to assist them in some way. But unfortunately, they removed themselves from the process. Okay. Um All right. I'll reach out to them and uh suggest that we have that meeting. they're maybe they're thinking that it's it's not going to change anything from the first preapp meeting they had and so I I'll I'll reach out to them and then give you a call about it. So I'll forward their email to you. Okay, Mr. Biles. Yes, sir. As we were talking about the, you know, the landscaping reimbursement out of the tree fund. It's capped at $10,000. We could look at increasing the cap. I I think that cap's been there for a while. So inflation happens to landscaping like everything else. That's one thing we could go back and look at and I think there is in excess of a million dollars in that fund and so we could look at maybe bumping that cap up to cover some more of these costs if you want. You know when you take in consideration a mom and pop restaurant if if that landscaping is going to cost them4 or $50,000 they're forever trying to earn that

money just to stay open and so many of them are having a hard time now. So, we probably need to look at look at that. But I will reach out to them and talk to them some more. Uh because they probably have felt like it would not to expand or not to have this area out. They have no place for people to wait. It's a small business. They have no place for people. If the restaurants got full capacity, then they can't there's no place to wait. So, that's part of why they were going to do this like a porch or something out in front of it. So people have a place to sit down and wait to have breakfast or or lunch, whatever it might be. But I'll reach back out to them. They're in Dayton City. So Commissioner Wells had a comment. Thank you, Chairman. Um Commissioner Oakley, I can think of two um projects in my district alone over the last two years, we made exceptions and matched um with the tree mitigation fund that was over 10,000. The board was okay with it. makes sense, you know, and I know I can remember Commissioner Mariano bringing this up in the past about what triggers it as far as the 50% rule. I disagree with that. I think if you're not adding to the to the square footage, you know, it shouldn't necessarily trigger it and that's one of the reasons we we match these folks with the funding. Um, I know we've got the the fund. I I I like the idea of maybe maybe adding to it or you know, we probably need to look at that, but but I agree with you. It's tough for these businesses and um not only now but over the last several years and we need to do everything we can to help them expand, move, you know, hire more people and so forth. So, and I'm familiar with what you're talking about. I was actually out there yesterday. So, um and we did have to wait and it would be nice them to have something that's a great local business that been there for a long time and uh you know, so we definitely need to support them. So, Mariana had a followup. Seems like as some of these businesses right now, some of them are closing down. they just can't make it. So, it's it's a shame. So, Commissioner Mar I'm glad you brought up Commissioner Oakley and and I like the idea Mr. Miles about increasing the number. I think it's great as as we're talking this through. I think one thing we should take a look at just as you mentioned Commissioner Oakley about they're not making it right now. I think we're set up as a re reimbursement fund. It might be something where we can set it up where have it have the work done, prove it's been done, and then get a check and maybe they can work out a terms with their person who's doing the work for them to be able to have get reimbured thereafter rather than having the business have to pay the money up front and then get the money back. A lot of them probably can't float that. So, if we can work that situation where we're going to all lot the money once the work's been done and then they can then pay their people after they get

reimbured from the county. And I think most your landscaping companies will probably be comfortable to work that way. Yeah. So we just got to be flexible. So I we have time today. So I think this might be a good time, Mr. Biles or or Mr. Sherman, one of you. Um explain just in case the public is watching. Um how what's the criteria for this treat medication fund to apply? And if we have and I guess the other question would be if we have approximately a million dollars in that account now, how much was spent last year and when was the last time somebody actually applied for funding? I think you did we we y'all approved a reimbursement not too long ago. I don't remember what meeting it was on, but it was one not too long ago. But I I don't know off the top of my head the process they go through to get it approved. I I think some of these questions though, we're going to have to go do research and bring back to you answers. I think that' be sounds like it makes sense to look at increasing the cap. Sounds like there's we need to think about how do we make streamline the process to get to approval quicker uh and some other things. So, yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Bring that back next meeting. That'd be great. Yeah. If we could have those questions answered then, you know, we can we can have maybe a discussion on criteria. It might be good to have just a quick little rundown again. for the public's best interest. Yeah. All right. Anything else, sir? Um, one other thing, um, and I had heard that there was some new fees and I think Mr. Cabala and I talked about a little bit, but there was a new fee that affected um, electric companies based on uh, changing out poles and rightaways, and it was like I think like $300 a pole. Um, from my understanding, it never had been charged before, but then now all of a sudden it shows up. And any fee that is charged to any company in our um in our county, I think, cuz cuz I don't know that we had an open discussion about it at the board with with all our members. I don't know how this came about, but um I think anything we're going to charge that charges a business or a citizen in this county that this board ought to be looking at it and um you know, really researching it and be sure it's the right thing for our county, not just uh fees show up one day and we're not really aware of it. So Mike, you want to answer something to that that effect? Um yes sir. So the fee that is being referred to is is a right-of-way inspection fee. Uh yes that was not normally charged um um to a lot of a lot of places. In fact, as part of our uh re revamping some of our departments and

trying to get them to be more self-sufficient, we we resorted to, you know, along with development services, we came up with a new fee structure. And that is just to reimburse our cost for doing right-of-way um inspections. And so what we have done however is because there are a number of issues right now with with communications uh providers as well we've we've gone and suspended those fees in the interim while we take a look at how do we perhaps better streamline the right-of-way use uh process for for utility providers such as electric and gas. So that is something that that we are working on. That fee has been suspended um and and we will certainly partner with them and work with them along the way as we come up with a better do any inspection or anything for these fees? I mean, so I I charged. So, I have not seen the report. I have asked to see how we arrived at the $300 fee and what those actual inspections entail. I don't have an answer for you, but it is a question that I have asked. But this one is uh has come about because the change of um I guess engineering. It used to be under building department now is under the utility department. Is that it or Well, no. This is this is engineering services. and and their their inspections group. And so we're we were looking to better align our costs with with those who received the benefit of of those costs. And that was that was what was developed and came up with. Again, I don't have the the exact numbers, how many hours or full-time equivalents it takes to go out and perform one of those inspections and under what circumstances those inspections are, but those are things that we are looking into. In fact, we're looking at revamping the process. Instead of making perhaps individual permit applications, perhaps we can move to an annual type system, something that would streamline it and make it make it easier for those providers. Right. Well, the issue is, I mean, um, the different electric companies, I'm sure they're out, if they're doing their job, they're out replacing poles a lot in certain areas, making their their poles and all ready for the bad weather and everything that might be coming in the future. So yeah, if they let it go and it gets terrible, they don't get refunded by FEMA or anybody else if if they don't keep those up to uh the regular standards what they need to be for the storms and all. So uh but is that that new fees that were not charged in engineering services prior to them coming over to utilities? It is my understanding that a fee was not charged uh previously. Correct. There was there was no fee charged. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Well, shouldn't shouldn't that come before this board that we discuss and decide? Can I jump in real quick? So, um, the question is, and you know,

Commissioner Oakley just brought it up too. So, what is the, you know, how much time is NFTT obviously spending on this process? Are they actually and I know the answer is no but I mean as in they're not going out inspecting the actual pole after it's installed from my correct they are not expecting the technical work they are looking at the right of way to ensure that the right of way still meets our standards and is safe. So does that mean they're they are driving out to the site to look at that rightway for every I'm going to use the word pole um structure how about we use structure that is placed by utility company. When we say utility company, you're talking you're you're saying electric, you know, let's say power companies as well as cable um FiOS for telephone company, whatever it may be, utilities in general and the the big bag, right? I want to I want to confirm that. Okay. and what exactly uh has gone into that $300 fee and again that that will go into this more comprehensive there's a better way to do business I think with utility providers which are in our right ofway and we all have to exist there and so we want to make sure that we can balance keeping the public safe and being efficient so that way they can provide their vital services as well. I think the last thing, last comment I'll make to we don't want to be a deterrent as Commissioner Oakley just stated, if they're coming in and making replacements, if we deter them from making replacements, that could not be might not be in the best interest of our of our citizens in the community if that were to obviously happen. And so if it's a deterrent for somebody to go make a replacement down the road, it's a life safety issue possibly. Right. Something to think about, Commissioner Wells. Yeah. And Mike, I know we've discussed this and you know, I know the cable companies are exempt, which doesn't make sense because they're the ones using contractors. They're the ones ripping up our lines. They're the ones we're spending a lot of time out there with. And I know we do not ex we do not inspect the electric companies. Now, um my issue is even as early as last week, we still charge we're going to charge the fee until I called you and then you took care of it. So, I don't know if we need to make a motion today to make the fee disappear until you relook at it. But that's my issue. We're still not all on the same page with all staff. Like I said, literally as early as last week, I had to deal with us saying, "Well, there's a fee." And then with Auchi called me and then Tico called me on something a couple weeks ago. So I I just I know it came before us. Um I take responsibility for that. But once again, kind of like earlier with the trans the transportation thing was kind of jumbled in with some other things that again this should have the stakeholders should have been involved with this. Um they're been great partners all of them. Um they

are great partners and we want to include them going forward with whatever we think's best for obviously you know to pay for our expense whatever expense there is. So, um I that's only my concern with you suspending it is so I I don't it's up to the board, but I I don't know if you all hear and I know that I have as early as last week. So, just want to throw that out there. If we suspend it, what's is it just going to automatically show up one day as a fee to somebody and we not be able to discuss it or go forward or should we have a have a motion that hose it suspended until we hear back from y'all on the answers so we make sure it's the right thing to be doing. So it's on it's on your fee schedule today, you know, and we because of the communication services issue and the preeemption where we can't charge them and other things, you know, we might suspended it. You know, obviously the board can do what the board desires. I would say that there are inspections that we do. If the if the company that requires the inspection isn't going to pay for that, then the ultimately it's a general fund that has to cover that cost. So, and that's kind of what's happening today with the communication service companies is the general fund is covering the cost of us going out there to make sure that those companies aren't damaging our rightway, i.e. our pavement, our structures, our things. So, you know, we can continue with it suspended while we go through this process. I actually ultimately think we go to an annual permit process where there's an annual permit to include the permit because they still pay the permit fee. They submit the rightway permit. They still pay the permit fee for that. But we go to an annual process so they don't have to come in every single time they do something. They just notice us. I think that already happens in Penllis. I think Hillsboro already has something similar to that. I think that's probably where we need to be, but but it's going to take us a little time to get there. M go ahead. We'll suspend it until we uh get I guess find out some history or something and bring it back to us and we discuss it. Yeah, I' I've already suspended it, but if the board would like to reaffirm that I it's your perview, Mr. Chairman. Yes, sir. Go ahead. You know, one thing with anytime a utility is being charged a fee, it's going to get passed on to the customer. Now, with Luchi probably doesn't mark it up, but I'm sure Duke does. Um, I think it's something, you know, to to think anyone in the county is paying these fees, no matter what it is, just how they get how it gets to them. So, the more we can take it out, uh, the quicker the better. Um, you guys want to bring us back something, I'm okay to

wait on it. uh we can say we're going to permanently end this anyway and you can bring back something another alternative to us that's fine. Um, so I'm comfortable if someone if we want to make a motion for that now that's good and we'll make can bring something back to us when they've got a resolution whether it be the annual fee or whatever it may be as part of those fe I'm talking about one thing about change of polls but are there other fees that haven't been charged that's going to be also in that group so to be any inspection that's required of those groups within the right of way so if they're changing out the poles if they're setting a new service or whatever work that they might do. That's where that that inspection fee and that's why I want to go ahead and do a comprehensive review of what probably needs to be inspected more frequently than others. And again, you know, looking at an annual subscription just to assure that it comes back before us when you're ready, when you've done that research and bring it back, I'd like to make a motion that we suspend it until that time and then uh we'll look at it and it be noticed. So, so everybody's on board to understand what the fees for and their um I mean, if it's a new fee, then we we really need to know that, too. So, so I'd make that motion now. Second. I have a motion in a second. Any more discussion? Mr. Biles? Well, my concern is that, you know, it's not just our utility companies that get rightaway permits and pay an inspection fee. Developers do that. I mean, other people get rightaway permits and that inspection fee, I think, applies there as well. So can we at least separate out that this is really for the maintenance of existing facilities and not necessarily for the in those types of permits versus new construction and new development at least then we don't have you know we we do haven't you know board kinds of a policy that development needs to pay for development. Yeah. You know which again well I understand that I'm not talking about a new development coming in and you have fees you charge. I'm not talking about those. I'm talking about the ones that are going to affect uh I guess the when a go utility goes out and puts in new line and has change out 25 or 30 poles at one time. You know that type thing. So that's not a new development. It's keeping their lines up to the standards. So that's what I'm talking about. We all Okay. That okay. Good. Okay. So, I have a motion and a second on that. Madam clerk, please call the role. Sorry. It was a motion by Commissioner Oakley and a second by Commissioner Mariano. Thank you. District one, Commissioner Oakley.

I. District three, Commissioner Starky. I. District four, Commissioner Wells. Hi. District five, Commissioner Mariano. Hi. District two, Chairman Moore. I motion passes 5. Only thing left I have is uh the discussion on the mask was very good. I told you earlier that um from my emails I've gotten from the citizens probably 80 85% of them were very positive in wanting us to keep that mask order in in place until um at this time but uh and we had a little uptick in those numbers. So, I want to make sure, you know, that's that's a good thing to keep in place at this time and we look at it next month and and see what it is, but no sense in taking that away too early. And I I definitely we're um we are here to keep our public as safe as possible and we've done a thanks Mr. Biles and his staff and everyone involved. Uh Pasco County has been very safe during this whole time. So, done a great job. So that's all. Thank you, sir. You going on to Commissioner Wells? Commissioner Starky or Oh, no. To Oh, hey, sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I just All I did was look to my left. Sorry. Go ahead, Commissioner Starky. Yeah. Uh really just one thing. Um hey, and great discussion on the dredging and frankly great discussion on the landscaping. If we can help our citizens, uh more um that's a win-win for all of us. and I was kind of surprised to hear how much money we have in that mitigation that tree mitigation trust fund. So, let's get it back out on the street and uh raise, you know, help helping our businesses look better. Um, I wanted to bring up a subject that's been, you know, kind of a sore subject for me in the past, and that is again our outside lobbyist. I did talk to uh the uh administrator about it, but frankly I think um we're shooting ourselves in the foot by not having um having our outside lobbyists. I've talked to commissioners and other counties and um we might we might be the only county this size that I think we would be the only county this size does that doesn't have at least one outside lobbyist. The other ones have multiple firms. So, I want to say um especially in a time when money is going to be even tighter in Tallahassee that we need to be looking out for the best interests of our citizens. Um and having someone on retainer for say $40,000 or so is going to bring back dividends to the county. um you saw what happened to us in this last year and I've looked at what other counties got to keep and I think we can do a little better and um I think Ralph does a great job. Um but there is a difference between an internal lobbyist and an external lobbyist and we are better served if we have both. Okay,

Commissioner Mariano. Yeah, I will I will concur with that. Um, you know, when I look at how much money we had out there that was going to be set and and this current year with uh Speaker Sprouse and President Simpson, we are in position to do something. But when we don't have our lobbyist who's tied in with these guys, uh, and Sean Foster, I think at Sunrise was our last one. I think we should bring him back on. What the job they could do for us, if he only gets one thing for us, we're way ahead of the game. You've got to you've got to be up there. You've got to be in their face. You've got to be pushing to get these things through. So, uh, Commissioner Starky, thank you for bringing it up. I think you're right on the money. Commissioner Wells. Yes. I I also agree with Commissioner Starky. Um, and again, Ralph does an unbelievable job. Again, we're lucky to have him up there. But I know, for instance, you know, the school board has their internal person and an external person. They work together as great as a team. And in the past, Sean's worked great with us as a team. So, I I agree with you both on that. So, I'm glad you brought it up, Commissioner. Thank you. Do we know how many people um Hillsboro has, Commissioner Starky? Now, do you know they have um I I know they have um Washington and local firms. I don't know how many they have local, but it's more than one. And I will tell you that both Hillsboro and Penllis um and Penllis had the one that we let go, Vanco, up in Washington, they both got bill grants this year. I don't know if you saw that, but they got tens of millions of dollars uh from from Washington this year. So, uh but anyway, I I would like to put in motion form that we uh bring back our lobbyists and um see if there's a second. Second with discussion. Chairman, go ahead. Commissioner Wilson. Um Commissioner Starky, I agree with you on both aspects. I think especially with looking at this dredging that Commissioner Mariano has been working on for the last couple years. Um is your motion include doing a federal lobbyist as well as state I would love that up there with support. We are really missing out and now we really have a another project. You know we never would have got our rich road permit without our help without that help. And I I agree that we should have a federal lobbyist help us with this whole coastal um effort. Absolutely. Yeah. Well, I I mean, if that's Can I Can I jump in real quick, too? Um, let's talk about the federal one, though, real quick. On the federal side, I mean, so I'm I'm going to ask on the federal side, what was our what would we say our return on investment with the federal lobbyists we previously had? How how many bills were passed on our behalf? How much funding did we receive from the group we had previously hired on as federal lobbyists? Can anybody answer that? I know the answer, but I was asking

we have to be smart about what we asked for. Um, and we haven't used our lobbyist right uh because we haven't put had a project besides our Ridge Road one that we went up there and asked them for. Although I did ask for help in changing some of the uh labor laws and we did get that. So um so uh um that that not not necessarily is a straight county county project but even Martin County the little Martin County over on the other side they have two lobbying firms in in uh Washington. They bring back millions and millions of dollars. So we we have to be more savvy about um what we're asking for. Um I think that um the transportation money I think there's this pro possibly the dredge money. I think I think uh we should look at what other counties have done and and mimic that and and not always pay things for ourselves. I know that I I I told the administrator I ran into Secretary Anod um somewhere in Tallahassee last year and you guys remember him. He was ahead of DOT. Yes. Uh Florida DOT. Yes. Secretary Anod. Yes. He told me he was shocked that we were paying for the overpass extension all by ourselves and that that was a definitely a project that could have got some money in Washington if we had asked. So I'll So why didn't we So when Yeah. I mean so this is just my question on the federal side. So we had those folks for two years if it wasn't correct and there were certain things that we had discussed about tiger grants and and whatever it may be in addition and we piled on top of that. Well, we didn't get anything. So I'm not saying a federal lobbyist itself is not a good idea. Um but we did not get any return on our investment with the group that we had. And I'm not knocking them. So, I mean, do do we so so do we need to for on on the federal side, if you're saying, okay, do we move forward again with a federal lobbyist? I'm not saying we we do or don't, but I'm saying is do we go look at who else is out there in addition to who we previously had. So, so here's the deal. Like the the bill grant that Panella just got, it took a number of years of lobbying. And you know, we can you can ask any one of the you know, we're all friends with commissioners. I can tell you Janet Long went up to Washington three to four times um was was uh and went around with her her lobbyist and some people from the business community. They worked that grant um and it took them a quite a few years to get it. And I wouldn't doubt that Hillsboro County would tell us the same thing. So um so we we have to have a plan, we have to have an ask and then we have to go work it and you can't expect it in a year or two but you have to build those relationships and I think that's what uh those kind of guy those guys can do for you and G. Okay, Commissioner Mariano. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And you know when you when you look at Vansick, I think they're a great company. Um I

think it does take time. You you just can't get it in a year or two. It's going to take, you know, even even a regular road project takes five years through our own MO process. So, it takes time to get it for that. But if you look at federal lobbyist, Dawson's a federal lobbyist. They stuck with us on Ridge Road. When we signed up with them, it was a time, don't expect it right away. It's going to take time. And there were time we made decisions year after year. Are we going to keep doing this? Are we going to keep doing this? And because we persevered and stuck with it, we got it through. So, you know, it it does take time to go through it. So, you know, don't go just by what we did for the short term and dropped it cuz, you know, it it's tough. I will tell you I don't want but I'm not trying to interrupt. I want to continue on the conversation. But I guess I'm just asking these questions out loud because I want to know what was brought to them. What suggestions were made to them by our team and and staff of what to go after and what happened to it cuz I just didn't see any. I I'll I I'll I'll say this, you know, in and you know, Commissioner Wells, I'm I'm so glad you just brought up the federal side, especially mentioned dredging as well, because right now we're going to be going through the biggest dredging project we ever had in the county. So, we're going to be looking to all this thing. And I'm telling you that part two money with Restore is just untouched from us. And it takes big projects to get it done. It's got to be tied to water quality and economic development. We're right in the mix of that whole thing. I think we could look at them, but we can also look at others and and let's go look at who's going to be help us best with transportation, be best best with the restoration, I'll call it, up and down the coast. But I think there's an opportunity that's out there that could be absolutely huge for money that we should go take a look at. We're we're we're too big. We're too premier county not to go after that. Mr. Chairman Comm Commissioner Oakley I'm not sure that I ever heard us even ask for anything for overpass road when they were did we ask Mr. Yeah, I think we submitted at least one Tiger application. We didn't submit a build grant application this time because we did not have any projects ready in the window right for that. So we gave that to the federal lobbyist. Yeah. Well, and our federal lobbyist contract ran out at the end of last year, I believe. Not sure if it was a fiscal year or the calendar year, but ran out last year. So, I just don't remember us talking about um asking about overpass or for funds for overpass, but I definitely know we

were pushing very hard. And I will say that our engineering services team does a very good job getting money out of the state. I think right now we have about 85 million I think is the number I saw money out of the state going towards current Pascal County projects. So I mean they're working it pretty hard. So through through the process through the FO process. So um so there is that out there. I will say that if you know if the board neither there's not funding for either one in the budget that that's on the agenda for approval this afternoon. If the board wants to do that, then we will obviously amend the budget at the next available meeting when we can to add funding into the budget to do that and then we will go through the solicitation process for both contracts. Well, that was my next question. Where are we going to get the money from? Well, I don't know. This is this this discussion is new to me. So, we I'll have to get back with OMB to see where the money's coming from. But agree, Commissioner Maya. Yeah. I mean, we we've done a great job putting our reserves back in as well. If I got to go pull from reserves to go make this happen, I think it's well worth doing. I think well I don't think we need to do that. I think we do have there was there were some funds that we were returned and we have not made any uh there was a small ask on it but I know there are some left over. Now that would be reoccurring. That would be obviously cover you for the year but I'm just saying we can get this done. Yeah. I'm saying I don't you want to you don't have the dip in reserves is what I'm saying. Okay. So what I'm what I'm hearing the direction the board would like us to to amend the budget to fund both the state and federal lobbyist and we will go through the solicitation process for both and bring those contracts back to the board when we're ready to. So I don't I don't know if that was Commissioner Starky's motion. Um yes. Yes. And I would say the local, you know, is as soon as possible because committee meetings are going to be starting soon. Commissioner Mariana, they start in December. So, especially the local one, we need to get that done by December one way or the other. Okay. I'm looking to the right, but there's nobody there anymore. So, Chairman, just so I can make clear, um, Commissioner Starky, so you're okay with us putting it out to bid and then taking the most qualified. You don't want to use who we who we had picked in the past to do the local state stuff. Mr. Chairman, you can't just go with Mr. Foster. It has to go out. Okay. Sounds good to me. I second it. So, okay. But I um um I would not like this

to get in purchasing or whatever and be stuck there for 6 months. This is time is of the essence because it doesn't do us any good to bring one on six months after they've already started. So, um, how since we've done this in the past, we already have a con, you know, you already have the language to get a bit out on the street. Can we just polish off the one we had before and get it out on the street this week? Commissioner, I don't know. I I didn't know this item was going to come up for discussion today. Otherwise, I'd have done a little research. So, um, uh, once the meeting ends, I'll get with purchasing and our team to see what we can do. Mr. Mariana. Hi. If you could please take a look at both contracts, the last contracts we had, and if we can find a way to extend them. They're expired, Commissioner. Both expired. Okay. Okay. I would I would assume because that way you don't have to go through the process and wait on it. Yeah. Wait for six months. They're they're long behind beyond being able to resuscitate. Okay. Okay. Thanks. Uh I think we have to call the vote. Is that a vote or? Yeah, you have a motion. You have a motion by Commissioner Starky. I have a second by Commissioner Wells. Uh I was going to wait for We had one step out for a moment, but I think we'll be okay. Can you Can you give me one second? I'm going to just see if he's coming down the hall. If you don't mind, we'll give us one sec to check. I'm trying to think if I have anything else. Well, he's on his way back and I'll call it. Give me one second. Commissioner, I would want to remind everybody about the two the two two souls. Um, bring let's let's keep collecting shoes and socks for our students. It's a great uh project that that we have going on. So, we need shoes. We need socks. Okay, great. So, I can call that vote. I have a motion by Commissioner Starky, a second by Commissioner Wells. Madam Clerk, please call the RO. District one, Commissioner Oakley. I. District three, Commissioner Starky. I. District four, Commissioner Wells. I. District five, Commissioner Mariano. I. District two, Chairman Mor. Motion passes 5 Z. Okay. Are we you good? You good, Commissioner? Yes. Thank you very much. Thank you, ma'am. All right. Now, I will go to Commissioner Wells. Thank you, Chairman. Um, I just have one thing. Um, Sally, if you don't mind. Um, and Jack has part of this this community in his district and I have part of it in my district. It's Golden Acres

community. You probably don't know where that is yet. You might. Um, it's just right literally right next door down Little Road. So, h it's weird. It's an agriculture community. Half of the community is zoned AR. Half the community is zoned ER. The issue that we're having with code is in ER and AR you're allowed the same agriculture uses horses, chickens, all those things. But in ER, you're not allowed like electric fence for instance to keep your livestock in cows which you need to keep them in. Uh you're they're you're constricted by heights on fences and it's just very confusing. I don't understand why, you know, everything is an acre or more out there. I don't understand why half's AR, why half's ER, but I really would like to see us look at making I guess first of all find out maybe why it was split and then if we could look at changing it all to AR because I I don't know why it would be a state um residential in some of Golden Acres. It it's weird. So I I the only reason it came up is because code had to got called on somebody went out there and I'm like hang on they're allowed to have these cows or these horses but they're not allowed to have this fence because it's er but the guy across the streets AR. So I just I I don't understand why. So if you don't if you don't mind and maybe bring it back please if you could. So thank you very much. That it that's it. Yes sir. Okay. Thank you. Tough to draw that line. Commissioner Marian. All right. Thank you Mr. Chairman. Um want to say that um had a great uh cleanup for Hud for the the coast. Uh Hudson I was that's where I was at in the morning. Uh did a great job. A lot of citizens got involved. Everyone had masks on protection on. Uh very very pleased the way it went. Uh I did mention the board. We did have a meeting with NY Florida about what's going on and to assure the people in Hudson. Uh one of the things we talked about is septic systems that everybody get hooked up. I think other than four or five in the whole area, everybody was hooked up. So, I don't think that's causing a a problem out there. We're going to keep on working with D to get to deeper things, but the new pipes that are in that area are, you know, in good shape. So, wasn't some of the thoughts we thought, but we did investigate it. Um, I want to say, uh, Mr. Carbella, I want to praise you guys again for getting agenda item C60 on the line, uh, on for us today. It's the street sweeping part of our basin management plan is to actually do that, especially on the coast. So, that's going to help us talk to D a little bit strong about here's what we're doing to to do what we're supposed to do. And Mike, I want to thank you again uh for your team. Uh they did a great job out drive. They're getting that pipe in place so that gets replaced uh that's collapsed all around it. So, that's going to help out dramatically. And the second set of

distilleries that find themselves in the same position and you are still constrained by the laws of the state of Florida on competitive bidding. This is not something you can say is not avail. I mean when when nothing was available, we could wave procurement to get there. But now that there are others that are available, I'm not so sure that you can just say we're going to buy we're going to buy this particular vendor out of the problem that they're in. you may be able to, but I don't know that it's as cut and dry as just buying all his inventory because there are others that are in the same position. Well, and again, let's go look at it. Um, again, for them to say they're going to be if you're going to tell me you can buy 15 to 20, but you can't buy 70, what's the difference? I mean, if you can do it one one step, you can do it the next step. All I want them to do is to go find out. And if there are other if there are if we have other people in Pasco County that went and built the stuff and built a good product as well that's out there and they're sitting on it as well and I've got to have my own people go out and buy it and I've got CARES money that's supposed to go help me to go protect my community then I would like staff to go out find a way if you if there's a way possible at least make the attempt to go find a way to get it out there find out what's out there and get it to whether it be schools or businesses but get it out there in the community so people can protect themselves more. Mr. Well, so we are I mean we are providing PPE to people who ask. Um I will say that um it appears that the state is supplying the schools with the PPE that they need with and to include hand sanitizer and those kinds of things. And so the other thing we can do is have send the contact information up to the state and so maybe they can do a direct procurement as well. So that may be another way to solve that. Um, so we we know what we need. We will we will continue to buy to keep our stock supply going through the process as the county attorney outlined. Uh, and and so that's that's kind of what our plan is. And I don't know what that final number is. And we are always going to be continuing to buy them as we need it, but you don't want to build up too much of a stockpile either. Let me ask you this. Is this considered PPE? I don't know if we included hand sanitizer in the list of things we were reimbured. I think we did, but I don't know off the top of my head. If it's considered PPE and if someone comes to you and asks for you for it, you're going to give that to them. So, the small businesses, we had a PPE grant process where they were submitting applications and that is still available where they can submit an application and we can reimburse them for what they have bought. that that's still available. Do you remember the theory of that? What that was? The what?

The theory of why we did it that way. Let me tell you what Let me tell you what Mr. Cronin told me. The reason we're going to go do it that way instead of people just going out and uh going a different way, just supplying and give it to them cuz we wanted the businesses to be able to make money as they were going to go get it. So, what I'm telling you is we've got a situation where a business that actually went out and got it, built it because we needed it, we said we needed it, is now stuck with it. So for the same theory that we're trying to help a businesses out by making people go out and buy that so it helps the economy, I'm telling you, we got a local business right here that went out and did the right thing to try to protect people and they got 70,000 $70,000 worth of product that's out there that they can use it. And I will tell you, I will load my truck up and down and go up and down every single road, every single restaurant, and I guarantee you if I offer it to the people that are out there protecting people with hand sanitizer, they'll take it and you'll use it. I'll even be do the distribution. That's how many people I think will want this thing. Yeah, I guess disagreeing. I think it just we want to find out how much we have now. I don't know the total number of what we have in our stock. I know what Andy has said he's needed and he's reached out and he's trying to procure that amount from him. It's not the whole thing. It's not 100%. So let us work through the procurement process. Let's work through the planning process and do it the right way. Let me let me ask this question. You you said that if people ask you for PPE, you provide it to them. Yes. So if you get enough calls to say I want hand sanitizer, that would change the amount that you would actually need. Yeah. Again, okay. Emergency is the one with that and he is they are that is part of the PPE program is hand sanitizer. I will I will help you with that. Businesses have a process to get reimbursed. Okay. Anything else, Commissioner Mariano? No, sir. Thank you. Okay. Thanks, Commissioner or Commission Mr. Biles. All right. A couple of items uh on the good news front. Um both Fitch and Moody's uh redid did a credit evaluation on the county as part of our new bond offering that's going out shortly. Um and both of them held us constant with what we were last time. So double A2 and then double A um on S or on Moody or Fitch was double A and F's rating included a stable outlook which puts the county in a very low credit risk category. Now, keep in mind, we're right in the middle of a pandemic where local governments and state governments across this country are had significant financial distress and that is a rating

that you got as a board got from the two largest rating agencies in the country with respect to our new so that says that as a board in the in the process we are using to budget and expense our money is is wellreceived in New York in the way we manage our our our budget process and everything else. So, I just wanted to give you that bit of good news that came out over the weekend. The other one is if you didn't see it on Friday, our unemployment rate in Pasco County is down to 6.7%. Um, which is I'm not sure I was expecting to see that number until after the turn of the calendar. And not only that, when you actually dig into the numbers, 10,000 more people are working in August than we're working in July. Wow. And that's a pretty substantial number. Still a little less than where we were last August, but um it's getting there. Getting there and getting there pretty fast. So that's that's that's good for Pasco County. That's consistent across the Tampa Bay region, those kinds of numbers. So that's that's positive and that's positive leading into as we talk about budget tonight, that puts us in a pretty stable and secure position. So that's all I had. Those two pieces of good news. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Snider. I don't have anything um that I need to talk to you about today. Okay. Thanks, Clark. I do. I have some things. First, I um passed out some goodies. So, your caffer comprehensive annual financial report. And um this is new common sense. See that? Ching the sense. Um this is the paffer. Uh we've called it the common sense because it is um the way to understand everything that's in this big boy right here. Um this um the caffer provides many financial statements that are audited. You all know this that's annually done. Um we have won the award in excellence in financial reporting for 36 years. We're waiting to see if we're going to have it for the 37th year. They haven't posted out the award winners yet, but I wanted to let you know that. And this um common sense is the um user friendly guide to explain version and it's much it's much um more colorful um but it explains really well the information that's contained within the caffer itself. Um so oh and did you notice um there is a cover model this year on the caffer. It's John Bluml. I don't know if you know who. Yeah. So, um, one of our locals is on the cover. One of our farmers. I think we were talking about the inside cover. Oh, no, no, no, no. You're in you're in the the one too. The other one. You're in common sense as well. Okay. So, I wanted to let you know that the caffer um or the audit, the annual audit is starting November 2nd. So, my team is getting ready, your team is getting ready. It's a a consolidated effort on

that. Um I also wanted to mention um our inspector general office. We um um are we put out the questionnaire to your management team as well as um my management team and all of you received letters as well. We're looking to for input and feedback. So that closed up. So I just want to say thank you to the county and to the management of the county for that. That's going to provide input on our annual audit plan. This is the first time we're doing that. and I wanted to make it more of a risk-based audit plan so that we're all informed about what is going to be on that plan. Um so once we get that information back um the analysis will be done uh based upon risk and we'll put together the audit plan and then actually file it here in the BCC meeting on the consent items so that everyone can see that um we are in the inspector general's office. We're on a journey to be peer reviewed. uh peer-reviewed is the gold standard for credibility and reliability in internal auditing. It is international standards. So, we're on our way there. It's about a three-year process. We've used this first year um as me being clerk to do our first year. So, we have two years left. And next year, we'll have a mock review. And that's when certified auditors come in and audit our auditors. So, we'll have a hopefully a gold level of audits in the next um say two-year time period. So, I just wanted to say thank you for providing the feedback on those surveys for our inspector general's office and just trying to raise the level of um of the products that we we we provide. And the last thing I wanted to mention, I mentioned it last time, but it's just a reminder, Monday we will have our inservice. So, we'll have our officewide trainings will be virtual and that'll be September 28th all day. Our office will be closed to the public and to your offices for training. That's it. Thank you. All right. Thank you. All right. Let's see if I can talk for two hours. Just kidding. Just a few things. Uh first one, um census response rate. We're in the final push for the census to get everyone counted that we can. Uh we know as we have a population growth, we've seen it. Um want to continue to encourage everyone to fill out the census. Whether you do it online or if somebody knocks on your door, please go ahead and um fill that out. It's obviously very important for our future to the future of Pasco County can mean a lot of things when it comes to funding. In addition to that, it could also al also um have positive implications when it comes to, you know, things like house seats that could be added to our area. So, we're doing pretty good though. We have a great team that's doing an awesome awesome job. Um September we surpassed our 2010 self response rate. So that's really strong when you think we're in the middle of a pandemic and the team's doing better than it what we did in September of uh um no sorry in 2010. Um I think we're at 66.2% self- response rate. Our final 2010 self-

response rate was 65.5. So I'm sure we're going to we're going to make it there. So, so thank you to all the citizens that have responded so far, but it is very, very important. It just takes a few minutes. I did it. I'm sure everybody here did it. I'm sure everybody I see in the audience has done theirs, too, right? Everybody nods their heads. Yes, we did the census. Good. Good. Um, so, commissioners, uh, this morning, you saw on the consent agenda, we passed a resolution declaring September 25th as Disabled American Veterans Day here in Pasco County. Disabled American Veterans is a nonprofit organization. They're celebrating a 100red years of service to those that have served our country. The organization is dedicated to empowering veterans to lead highquality lives with respect to dignity and they help veterans and their families navigate through the VA process. So, we're happy that's this resolution passed today and obviously we want to offer our continued support and celebrate all of our veterans. So, and I appreciate Mr. Stein Snider, your office helped expedite getting this done on today's agenda um when the request came in. So, thank you and your team for that. We really appreciate it. It was important that we got that done this month. Um, one thing I do need um consensus on from this board is our November BCC location. Um, originally we had a meeting in the first no first Tuesday of November. Um we decided that needed to be cancelled that meeting as we did I think two meetings ago I think we did. Yes. Okay. Day after the election which probably everybody in here will be up till the next day or next morning. Um so we did change that but um as you know when we have um when we reorganize that is always done in the county seat. Always has been done in the county seat. Um, but the November 17th meeting is scheduled for Newport Richie. So, I'm asking that we can change that November 17th meeting to Date City. So, we can stay with obviously the tradition of the reorganization and any rewearing ends um be done in in Date City. Are we good with that? Yep. Okay. I definitely am. Commissioner Stark. Well, I guess you Yeah, of course you are. You're not going to be there. That's right. Right. I thought it was going to be refreshing that we didn't have to do it in Date City and we could um be where the majority of the commissioners live over on the west side. So um I'm game for keeping it right there on the west side. Well, again, we do have a little bit of tradition that being the county seat for the county. Um I have I have three here that are takes over. I have Yeah, you I'm sorry. You lost though. There's four of us here that

want to do it. Up. Up. Four. Jack. Come on. Oh, Catherine. Tradition. County seat. They're letting you down. You're not here. That'd be like the president. The help of the lady. Let her run. That would be like the president of the United States being sworn in in, you know, I don't know, California. Yeah. Right. So, Oh, God. California. He's always It's always in the It's always at Yes, it's always in this the capital which is Washington DC. So, are we good? We're good. Okay. All right. All right. But thank you, Commissioner Starky, for jumping on board. But what we're going to do, hey, just so you know, what we're going to do is we're going to go ahead and change the other date city meeting in December to Newport Richie. Just so you know, I should have mentioned that. Thank you very Okay. Yeah. So you'll you'll you'll be added you we'll add a meeting on the docket for Newport Richie so you're not losing out, right? Is that what you said, Mr. Biles? Yes, sir. So what I'm hearing is November 17th in Date City, December 8th in Newport Richie. Yep. And you know, so that's what we'll do because Newport December 8th was supposed to be in Date City. We're going to go ahead and switch it over here to the Newport Richie. Can y How about that? Even even swap. Okay. Okay. I I suppose that's probably good for public hearing because if we're canceling Yes. the one and the east side, the west side, then we need to get them on the schedule. Yes, ma'am. Right. Okay. I always have a solution. One thing I did want to bring up and let me find it and I apologize. It came up earlier. [Music] Think you're maxed out. I got two hours still. So, um I've had some requests in the past and I had another one today for some help on Causeway Boulevard, which is Atlanta Lakes. Um I it's it's really a private road, but it it's kind of strange. Don't say that. No, I know. Maybe not. I don't know. They just have these really bad pot They have these really bad potholes. Um, if it is a I don't get a lot of requests for these in that area. If it's a if it is a truly private road, you cannot do a one-time fix. If it is a nonm a

the non county maintain road, if it's a road that's that's dedicated to the public, but we don't maintain it, then you can do a one-time fix. That's the That's the rule. Are we are we are we familiar with causeway? Because you should know every road. I'm just kidding. I got it right here. I'm just teasing. No, I'm not. And I'm not familiar with how much it would actually cost. So, double potholes, you know, if it's if it's something reasonable, maybe under $5,000 or something like that. We can we can work on that. Yeah. Going back in history, again, I wasn't here in 1984, but um on this board in 1984, but I think there was a petition at one time all the way back then to repave it, but it didn't pass. It failed. Um, so I'm going to assume that it is not a fully private road and the public does drive on it if it went through that process. I'm going to make that assumption. If we could look at that, we'll validate that before. Can you validate that? Um, they just have some potholes that could they could use some uh help with. Um, it'd be great. Hey, um, Commissioner Moore, if you could allow me since we have a little time. Um, last week when my new assistant Derek um, started, we did a tour of some of my districts of US19. And, um, I do want to say that we came upon someone passed out at the Waw Wa bus stop. Um, we passed by it three or four times within in an hour and he never moved. He was laying on the ground behind the bus stop. I had called the sheriff's office cuz frankly I didn't know if he was alive or not. Um but they were very they were very busy with a a suicide an attempted suicide call. And then apparently at my poor Wawa there someone passed out in the car at the pump. Uh so they did end up coming to the Wawa but my guy in the bus stop outside of the bus stop has moved on. Um, coming up 19 at um the old uh Buddy Freddy's I think or uh I What's that restaurant that Rich Beck used to eat lunch at every day? Mike Wells will know. Bob Evans. Um it was Red Bob Evans. What was it called? Bob Evans. The Bob Evans. There were a group of um people who uh live outside I think and ride around on bike a lot in the district and Morgan Square where she watched one of them do some some drugs up their nose. It was a very disturbing drive for a morning. There were some other things too, but um I'm hopeful that uh the gentleman who bought the holiday mall is offering to give some space to the sheriff's office and to code enforcement and um free space and and make I'm

hoping that maybe a presence more of a presence in that area will help deal with some of this problem. But I did drive um um Mike Wells that that fishing store that's on 19 that also sells gun ammunition. Do you know what what intersection that is? The two or three story building? No. Armed anglers. I'm not sure what the road is. Yeah. Um I think it might be Sunray. Um, I drove into the biggest pothole uh with in my car because it was underwater and there and so I'm hoping that staff I just sent Brford an email, but if we're talking about potholes, that one's got to get fixed right away because it's it's very heavily traveled when it goes underwater frequently. that little corner there when when um the state pays us 19 made it higher and there's a dip there and just falls apart all the time and the and the potholes you can't see them because it's always underwater so it's a real problem and I I may have done damage to my car on that one. Okay, gotcha. All righty. Thank you, ma'am. All right, everybody. We're on a little bit of recess for a while and we'll see you back here at 5:15. Thank you. Hey, Okay. [Music] [Applause]