02.25.20 Pasco BOCC Workshop

[Music] quiet take your seats please good afternoon and welcome to the February 25th 2020 workshop at this time we clerk please call the roll here [Music] thank you madam Clerk again folks today is a workshop part one is introduction with a budget in an information session they're gonna give this state of multifamily development here in Pasco County and we're going to hopefully address those issues and come up with some solutions for the future so I guess mr. biles I will pass it on to you to do the introduction for the budget all right thank you just we will start with kind of a an overview from a revenue perspective which looks a couple different environmental factors on the economy and then then we will go through the different funds and what it looks like we are projecting for revenue in the FY 2011 budget just to kind of give you a high-level overview and then as part of that at the end if you have any specific things you want us to make sure we look at as part of BP is we can take that down as well so we can start that investigation now - but with that I'm gonna kick it over to our budget director Bob gorrik thank you good afternoon everyone I realize you have a full schedule safranin so I'll try to keep things moving but if you have any questions at any time please feel free to stop me and we can discuss that as Dan said we're gonna give you kind of our short-term economic outlook based on our research was going to happen in the economy for the next 12 to 18 months and then the impact that that may have one our fiscal year 21 budget and so this slide here just quickly is this is the economic model that the state uses when they are projecting revenues and so forth but the interesting thing for our purposes here is that the impact of the national economy has on our local economy the national economy increases our tourism the better the national economy is the more tourism we get and there the national economy is the more people moving to Florida in order to live work and play and so that's kind of the model will be following here as we walk through these things as you can see here and you may have heard this that we are currently in the longest economic growth period in the United States history it's a 10-year recovery now and based on that 10 years we've got the 2019 fourth-quarter numbers they've come out since we put this slideshow together so for the fourth quarter is the same numbers as we've got here for the UC the national number here national growth rate 2.1 percent for the fourth quarter 2019 is 2.1 percent and it's two point four percent for Florida and so you can see the darker the darker the state the higher the GDP and so this economic growth the GDP sand during this ten-year recovery has been averaging around 2.5 percent for the national GDP 2.9 percent for the state and because of that has been referred to as the Goldilocks recovery it's not too hot it's not too

cold it's just right and until yesterday we had no reason to believe that this wouldn't continue for the for the foreseeable future we all know the impact of the coronavirus scare on the stock market yesterday and so that tanked that and so we don't expect that there's gonna be a long-term impact on by the coronavirus we know that the governmental agencies and non-governmental organizations are starting to take this seriously just last week illustration requested 1.8 billion dollars in new monies to fight the coronavirus so we're hoping that this gets under control is not going to impact our economy long-term but we'll continue to monitor the impact of the corona virus and if there is a long-term impact we will adjust our revenue projections accordingly as you can see here the local economic employment rate is 3.1 percent back in the day when I was at school they told us that full employment or full employment is was considered to be 4 percent so this recent economic growth period has really changed a lot of our assumptions about the economy and that's just one of those you see the inflation here we're expecting inflation to remain about 2% from our purposes as an employer that thing that is going to be the most costly in terms of inflation is going to be healthcare health care is expected to grow there the inflation rate for health care between the 3 and 5 percent area so that's going to increase our healthcare costs slightly and as you can see we talked about tourism and population growth being a couple drivers of our economic engine here and you can see we're expecting our population has already increased 16% we're expecting that pace of increase to continue throughout into 2040 and so in summary this has been as I mentioned the longest economic recovery in the US history and because of that some people were getting a little nervous they're saying well yeah we're in the middle of an economic cover it's got to end soon but we don't want to we don't want to entertain those kinds of like that kind of talk we don't want things to be self-fulfilling prophecy so as I said there's nothing on the horizon to make us think that this economic recovery isn't going to continue just as it has been population and tourism the growth of those two things will continue to drive our local economics here we can see that population is expected to grow one-and-a-half percent that's statewide over the next five years and then tourism we expect as they as the national economy continues folks in other parts of the country will continue to come to the sports coast to enjoy all we have to offer and then finally while the probability of recession is low you can see the there's been a number of surveys recently called out in that box different organization predict that economy the chance of economic recession between 20 and 30 percent by the end of the calendar year that's not a terrible number that's it's kind of low it Pasco has some advantages

that are gonna help us battle these headwinds and those being kind of our proximity to Orlando proximity to Hillsborough the growth that's been happening as well as the economic development investments that we've been making recently and so we'll now look at what is the impact of these things on our projected revenues moving forward as you know we have what number what page is that I look okay so you know we have three Canaries in a coal mine these are three indicators that we use to judge the health the economic health of our Pasco County region one of those is the number of permits and you can see the number of permits is increasing this the bottom line on this chart that's the little diamond or square or whatever that is and the number of building permits continues to increase the second canary in our coal mine is the half cent sales tax so based on this our half cent sales tax has been increasingly its canary and pulmonic good thing that we morning exactly yes that's right they died canary that's right thank you and so you can see our half cent sales tax has been increasing five to six percent per year for the past few years this year is no different fiscal 20 we expect that to continue and so that canary is singing as well and then the tons of trash collected is another canary in a coal mine we find us related to the economy because as as we get as economy wanes people hold on to things longer there's less trash as the economy booms you can start throwing things away so we see a correlation between economic activity and the tons of trash we can see the tons of trash is still increasing although that slope of that line has flattened out somewhat it is still increasing and we'll continue to keep an eye on that so as we talked about last year at this time the board had instructed us to increase the general fund reserve try to get it to that sixteen point seven percent of budgeted expenditures over a three to five year period in 20 we increased it from 9.6 to 11.1% we'd like to increase it again another one one and a half percent in fiscal 21 and so you can see the general fund is at eleven point one percent and all the other major funds are at the record CFO a recommended rate of sixteen point seven percent of budget expenditures questions um is it sixteen percent or sixteen point seven sixteen point seven so it's it's basically it's two months of expenditures comes out sixteen point seven like it and so as we talk about the taxable assessed values at the loan revenue being one of our largest revenue sources we're predicting that the ad valorem where the total assessed values will increase between eight and a half and nine percent in twenty one if that were the case if it were to increase by eight and a half percent that would generate an additional seventeen million dollars in property tax revenue based on our agreement with the sheriff that would be eight and a half million available to the sheriff to fund his new programs eight and a half million to the board and the other constitutional is to fund

ongoing expenditures as well as new business plan initiatives if we take that eight and a half million and we first of all deduct our must pays out of that so we have our increases to the Community Redevelopment agencies that would increase by about half a million dollars so that puts the amount that we're paying to the CRA is up around three million dollars and then deduct the increase in the tip so that's about another five point three million dollars we deduct from the tip puts that up to around twenty eight million dollars and so the amount after we subtract those things the amount available to the board and other constitutional would be two point seven million dollars likewise for the fire mstu if it were to increase by eight nine eight and a half percent that would result in an additional three point eight million dollars for those kind of vital public safety items so we showed you both ends to the bracket we're gonna use the eight point five to budget - and then you know the property appraiser comes in with a number above that we'll make adjustments and yeah so last year this board game direction and you follow that direction to start putting away more in the reserves and keep building those up so the obviously the has to be taken to effect too so my opinion since that's the begin the direction the board gave I personally think that should be a line item to so there's no assumptions that that those monies are gonna be available this funds are gonna be available yeah that's on the previous slide the assumptions we're gonna get we're in work to e to twelve and a half percent this I understand that but my point is again we're pulling down what's available what's available well let's pull that out it so it's not available so there's no assumption that that could be available you might this is just a general ad valorem revenue on the road news is that shown anywhere else in this line item I hear that are saying there they're showing this is what's gonna be spent on CR a so what's going to the sheriff what's gonna tip we just want to fire this to you etc let's my point is let's put a line on there so we're don't we don't have hands grabbing sure that makes sense if we look at our half cent sales tax receipts that's been increasing five to six percent per year we're expecting it again and we're budgeting in 21 we're expecting that to increase by another 5% so 5% increase generates about two million dollars a couple other major revenues in the general fund ones the transport fees as you know last year we increased our transport fees that's why you see that jump from nineteen to twenty and then we see a we expect a small increase between twenty and twenty one just based on the number of trips we expect more transports and twenty one than we did in twenty so that would generate a little bit of additional revenue then the county shared revenue brings in about fifteen million dollars a year and that's based on the county share of the cigarette tax and the sales tax so key

expenditure drivers as as chairman Moore has explained towards the bottom of that is our three to five year plan to increase our general fund reserves to the sixteen percent to make sure that during the good times we can sock away the money that we need so if a hurricane or something hits we've got those monies available to us some of the other must pays is Medicaid increasing nearly four hundred thousand dollars so that puts our Medicaid bill up to around eight million dollars a year employee retirement contribution of one hundred ninety two thousand this public assistance burials is a small number at $67,000 but I wanted the board to be aware that for indigent burials and cremations the county is responsible for taking care of those and that we're expecting it based on our experiences in 19 and 20 that that's going to increase about $68,000 so that will be about $200,000 overall for that for that particular line item we negotiated a three percent wage increase for our firefighters and then there are some other things that we would like to do depending on availability of money wages increases restoring the general fund reserves and then business plan initiatives so if we switch to the municipal services fund one of the major sources of revenue and this municipal services fund is the Communication Service tax because we can see this service tax has been declining by about 2.6 percent from its high in 2009 to the present but you'll notice from 2018 to the present it's actually declined by about 4% so the decline is accelerating the Communication Service tax is a favorite target and as you can see that red dot there there's state legislation that would reduce the county's Communication Service tax by one and a half million dollars so you know the Communication Service tax has a state component and a local component or a county component that legislation would not reduce the state's component but would only target the county's component so in the first year that would reduce our revenues by about 1.5 million dollars those Communication Service taxes are the funds that we use to to pay for and to operate our emergency 9-1-1 call center and so if that bill were to actually happen we'd have to find another source of revenue for the communications inai were one communications center you're well aware from driving around the community the number of single family home is increasing you can see is Turkey going back to the key expenditure drivers and the Employee Retirement contribution yes is this numbers is this number contemplating bill that just was filed in Tallahassee where we have to help make up the sword shortage in FRS no does not know it is just based on the latest I heard this from Sean Foster and they had my doctor came in so I couldn't finish the conversation to hear what the member was gonna be hitting us with but it's in the millions of dollars so FRS had a shortage of 400 and something million dollars okay and they're gonna have the

county's kick in okay and we'll see what this yeah all all state offices okay so we'll get reach out to Ralph there and see what yeah it's been happening in that area so you notice number of single-family residence has been increasing and so naturally that would speak to the building permit fees increasing at a rapid rate but as you can see here we're projecting that they're not going to increase and the reason for that is last year in the State House there was the House bill four four seven that said that the counties can building departments throughout the state cannot carry a fund balance greater than the last four years of expenditures and so we actually reduced our fees our building permit fees last summer by 10% and the idea is that we're going to keep reducing those fees until we can begin spending down that fund balance so we can get into that spend down to fund balance so we can get to that range where the state requires that we have the average of the last 40 years of fund balance set aside in this funds like bounce of revenue no we're actually gonna reduce the fee so we don't collect as much revenue and so our expenditures then would have to start drawing out of the reserve to spend that reserve down all right so how much of percentages of revenue compared to what we have now so we have about twenty million dollars in that revenues now and we need about our CFO a reserve requirement would be about ten million we've got it we've got a plan to spend that down over the next five years so at least six month Reserve part of me feels like a six month Reserve know that the the 10 million would be a one-year reserve so that would be the amount we need for to operate that for 21 is there any reason we need that bigger reserve that's the 16.7% requirement of the GF away so it's like that 16.7% was two months a year what's the equivalent it's the equivalent of two months of expenditures and so we set that aside and that would be the amount that we budget every year that's equivalent to two months okay I think the target we talked about the board it's last summer when we reduce the fees at Target we talked about was getting down in the five million range can we ask them if they're willing to donate it to a good cause like the parks and recs department you never know till yes oh you guys the other reason why you may want to hear a little healthier balance there is because that is highly dependent on the economy and so if people stopped building need to stop getting fees and so you'd want a little more fun balance just to carry the to not have to cut people on day one of that stuff so we did many years ago is we actually had outsourcing a lot of permitting so when it did drop down we weren't in the position a lot of other people were thank you it was a decent part of the community using private providers hmm right now so that is being done right now

so our fuel tax you know fuel taxes are used transportation infrastructure it's used to repair roads build new roads and for public transportation the there's been some growth in the local option gas tax the other three film taxes that we have have had very little growth and reason for this is because the fuel tax is based on a number of gallons of gasoline sold and as vehicles become more efficient we're selling less gasoline or the same amount of gasoline so tourism development taxes you realized in seventeen between 17 and 18 we doubled the tourism development tax from 2 percent to 4 percent in order to pay the debt service on the wire grass Ranch Sports Complex and so the increase in those years is since 2018 has been due to the number of tourists I think in 19 was the first year that Pasco County has broken the 1 million visitors mark and then the number of new hotels that are coming online we're bringing new hotels on so that's increasing our toys and development tax our stormwater assessment the fee was increased between 17 and 18 and then the increase after that is just because of the increase in the number of parcels which we expect to increase about 3.7 percent yep in the next year part of that increase will be to the absorption of the FG UAS and again for wastewater sales almost 8 percent increase in that revenue and finally the reclaimed water sales is increasing by almost 9% as the infrastructure for reclaimed gets built out we get more customers for seeing a larger growth in that area yes we clean water sales when we had a whole bunch of salt water coming into the county hasn't gonna reclaim water cuz they take took us foam water etc and a few years ago we've raised all the prices on them they have other sources where they could actually use water from the ground from well water if need be and as much as I don't want to see any of the golf pros go under because of high expenses and that there's a business major expense I'd like to take a look at changing our market if we're gonna go sell it to the private sector we make money on this we better that way we take the burden off the golf course and what the golf course go to Swift might to try to increase their permit to allow them to go pump the water to cut their expenses now we Rosalee yeah about golf courses the golf courses that have actually gone broke are out of business were they also buying from from us for water for their those golf courses do we know that because if we're going to increase nine percent what about those when I business if they were person then that 9% much that would be there maybe my Cabala question so come over here Mike thank you thank you so as far as the the first off the reclaim water sales number that's the total increase in reclaimed water sales that's across the board not just necessarily yeah I know these are not raising rates 9% bank increases still yeah in accordance with I've just wonder if that was going to take an effect of luring that rate

because of course you're not so it's like anything the utilities and cost recovering so wherever you make a change if you reduce the rate somewhere else you generally have to increase it somewhere else in order to make up and recover the costs the for the golf courses we actually created a special a special class for golf courses it was a it was a bulk user rate but it was an unpressurized rate because typically with a golf course we discharge into a pond and then the golf course takes it from there and utilizes it we would have to look at as far as addressing additional withdrawals from the aquifer for Golf Course watering we would they would have to be work with the Water Management District on that since what management district has made significant investments in our reclaim water system for the express purpose of getting out of the groundwater withdrawal business but we when we do our next rate study we can certainly take a look at how that is structured and see if there's a better way to do it you make me make you make you make more money on the residential than it the golf course anyway and and those are all the backstop you needed to the wayside and big so it could work out better for everybody and you're not gonna change the amount of water that's being pumped out of the ground or not its users all gonna be the same it's just gonna change and we are looking at as reclaim water becomes more of a commodity we are looking at different ways to charge for that currently we we don't volumetrically build residential homeowners that that could be something that we look to do in the future in order to help preserve preserve the amount of the resource you know doing demand management and things like that and looking at looking at cost so we will definitely throw that into the the next rate rate study that we would do probably in about a year and a half yeah okay I think with the world why are you here Mike um you know when I was kind of sketchy when we first went to this as you know and as the board knows Krista Mariano and I still have questions like River Ridge Golf Course they've got Swift might approve of the pump out of Wells you know I know and I think we kind of forced him to get on the reclaim I thought that's the where we're going back when flip was still here I don't know if that ever happened I never did you know do and I know it's not gonna cost him anything we were gonna connect it for free and everything else I kind of thought that happened but do we know obviously I would hope the idea isn't here to make a lot of money it's here to maybe break even I know we won't lose the money before we start we still look at that was my point in and how much what capacity are we using like how much are we still dumping in ponds how much are like I mean what's the percentage that's being used let's generate in this 8 and a half percent sure so so we we utilize 100% of our reclaim water it is it is either it is it's either banked or stored and then eventually gets out and sold so so on that front

surrounding areas so there's been multiple discussions on how do we get through this tragedy that is upon us now some of the talk has been you know do about obviously about the fees and the disk the subsidies that were allowing these apartment complexes and we've also briefly talked a little bit about what we did when it comes to the storage facilities we put a moratorium a temporary moratorium on some of those areas too so I think we'll just let the team have a start and then we'll have that discussion what we want to do because we're gonna have to set dates for public hearings so pleasure the board yes sir we're gonna start kind of high-level it's a comp plan level plan develop code start you know why it was done the way it was done why you're seeing development where you're seeing it how it links to different uses etc and then start saw a picture and then walk slowly down into a little more specifics all the way from what do you want to connect them to to the economic impact to how many do we have and what's the demand and all that is walk through all that some different talk about some of the missing pieces that are missing our housing portfolio portfolio here in Pasco County and then we'll get to the mobility fees and a couple other things and then at the end of that we can either pause or we go into the affordable housing and then come back cuz Marcy's here cuz you can't talk multifamily housing and not discuss some of our issues with respect to affordable housing which is why Marcy is here as well so it's kind of a team effort if you will so we're gonna talk high level and then we'll walk down down down into in Delores Pacific's and then we'll kind of wrap up with discussion about affordable housing and what's affordable and what's not in Pasco County and then kind of how all that how all that looks and maybe some recommendations to help adds more affordable into the county or for portfolio so without my turn over that to Terry now Sandra and they'll kind of walk through the high level into the details and again any time if you have questions feel free to ask but some of this is high level that we want to walk through first and before we kind of start having discussion if you will did everybody get the slideshow no I sent the slide out last night and they're still being worked but you know we sell them out to all your assistants yes to evening yes little late yeah I got it yeah I was later doing yeah it was like it was that we sent it out but we're still working it up till then and I did go on do not have a brown eyed to make sure Mariana does somebody not have a print out come ashore Wells you have a printout sure when I'm lying to the agenda a couple hours ago and they were not online under our table came out late last night you go friend yeah well do you don't link it to that it's getting late I mean it will it it will happen okay wait wait with that I'll turn over to talk to our planning team Thank You mr. chairman Terry pecos for the record

playing a drama department I just wanted to quickly brief in addition to what kind of ministry or mentioned on October 22nd at the BC meeting then the board asked us to prepare some material to explain and sort of educate how multi the multifamily land-use component operates within the county so what we're gonna do then is talk to you about how the comprehensive plan sets up the multifamily framework in Pasco County and then what does land development code doing within the county geography and how and how multifamily is actually performing across the county and then our questions of multifamily with regard to overhead so with that introduction I'll turn over right away to Alexandra and we'll get this slideshow rolling where we'll do the high-level stuff where we'll talk about the definition of multifamily as it's used in the LDC and plan where the multifamily units you build how many happen though and those mobility of the components of multifamily it will also look at the zoning we'll break it down into zoning and mobility in terms of addressing some of the concerns that the commissioners may have regarding multifamily once that's included they can continue on to Marcy's presentation on affordable housing the overview of affordable housing in Pasco County along with the mobility feed part of affordable housing so as you see on your screen really it the comprehensive plan sets up the foundation for multifamily the promise of multifamily as one of the ingredients needed to provide really a vibrant community it not only goes beyond just the comprehensive plan and following that but really it's a way of providing various housing opportunities for various citizens whether young professionals and to Nestor's workforce housing affordable housing etc so are some people who may just not want to [Music] but it does go a long way to helping us develop in a way that is my pack and more sustainable - it's one of those pieces so Jane should you talk about the benefits of compact development you're gonna get we'll get a little bit into it really adds multifamily how multifamily plays a role in it but we so looking at multifamily it is one of the housing supply pieces so that is the family when we look at it across again it it goes to providing formulas housing it is an integral part in a transit oriented development scenario so these pieces that you see here that are orange they're all those tearless items that the board has identified long ago and so we wanted to make sure that we understood multifamily as a piece of component of those items as well so it doesn't standoff isolated from everything else simplest form it's just two or more units the comprehensive plan does note condominiums and won't see that reference in terms of the property appraisal definition and mobility fees but condominiums really is just a financial description it can be other uses besides residential light commercial it just means that it's

individually owned yeah because you can have a office park that's a condominium office it's a form of ownership it's not but I wanted to make that distinction because in a mobility fee right now we do separate out condominium versus a multifamily rental and the property appraisal codes also reflect that distinction so I just that's why I like a townhome that be separated as well townhomes primarily do fall into the condominium you know simple fee so they would have a zero for so that's why sometimes when we do this analysis it's not like a straight line across the board because how we use it in the zoning districts and comp plan slightly different how we get the data to understand how many units are potentially available in terms of the zoning district capacity versus how many could only you see here that pretty much multifamily is allowed by bright and eleven of the thirteen future land-use categories it is not allowed in the Reds one and it's only allowed via master plan unit development in rs3 also in the commercial you have to have it as a mixed use as part of the mix juice building so that means a commercial so building up to getting into the LDC we want to find the link of the comp plan how it links up to the LDC we find that the multifamily zoned caterers across the county primarily fall in arrests six and res nine flu there's a significant point to know this actually goes towards supporting more lower density subdivision type development than what the plan really is in certain areas of the county to be like in our urban service areas so when you think about that the multi-family has when it's a district mf1 is twelve dwelling units per acre primarily those are happening in red six flus that means they're being capped by half of their potential density so you'll see that when we calculated the numbers of what the potential unit amount is it's going to take into consideration where it's being located here's a map of the county and how that lays out visually primarily you'll see the multifamily by right zone e so MF one two and three they primarily happen along the western market area and the southern market area in the end of a South Market area the driving force Fulda meant multifamily is not really the zoning district but rather the MPD's that are allowing for the development of the family piece so let me jump in real quick that's parsley the case what we've seen in in the flux on of over the last several years is then not being part plus the time of a in PUD and where does rezoning properties from multi-family especially in the southern part of the county I believe what we're seeing in terms of the market every system comes in front of me so I'm aware what how it happens we have a lot of MPD's there are just single-use for residential so they may not be that the traditional mixed-use and PD that they are falling a lot of resilience from family one last Tuesday when I was in the result is that good to have MPD's

that are single use nope we're allowing it one of the options that were will touch on is how we can start addressing that by making our zoning districts more flexible and allowing for multifamily to happen at different scales and different sizes where it's more compatible any other thing is our flus don't really Mack match what the market is demanding even for single-family residential they want to build something near like about a four and a half flue and while we have three and we have six and so just to build that you almost are tripped into the MPD process to get to what the market is demanding with respect even to single-family today so here is just a snapshot of the LBC where multifamily can happen by right as the primary principle committed use versus a duplex again is a two or more units so duplexes are the form of multifamily they happen primarily and has a special exception when we look at the acres across the county weekís adventures earthquakes multifamily is a very small piece of that is 6% that represents 0.63 percent of acres across the county are dedicated to multi-family districts that again is the euclidean conventional zone that is not taking into account being pew DS I briefly touched on this but MF ones make up the majority of the multifamily districts at seventy five percent and here's how they lay out the single-family a very small percentage of that primarily in the West market and then followed by in the South Market area again it bears noting that the West market in our stand this mouth market is in our urban service area it also is along our transportation corridor I find by a comprehensive plan and within the Transit Center overlay so it does make sense that we have the multifamily happening there we just have it at a very small percentage of the so I'm sorry and maybe you have it here and I'm sorry since I didn't get this before so what is a good percentage I mean do you get to in the planning world I mean what do we have the comparison of counties around us is there a way to analyze that we have a discussion about that because it it varies yeah answer right there so let's get to the data okay well I mean that's opening something to a little bit but if you look at surrounding areas I Hillsborough County what they've done I branded with you that's what you're turning my district gets you on 54:36 and I don't you know it's basically what it's happening and that's if you go there and ask anybody that's lives there as it's that's grown up there it's apartment rub there and that's what 5456 are turning into closest close to the interchange and there's there lies in it nearly its it's not rocket science it's people I don't I don't I like to go by the facts and I would want to know what percentage of Brandon is residential single-family homes and what percentage is multifamily single unit multifamily without again a master plan community a walkable type community that they promote the board not this one but several boards have said that that's where we want our high-density is on that corridor a board

on it is a comp plan I mean so that's what we're following so what I will you know another point on this and you see the the potential total multifamily units is 34,000 total units right now available that you could actually build based on current we continue to rezone for multifamily well when you already have that opportunity now there lies an issue well so play the numbers out a little bit that's effectively 60,000 people that can live in multifamily zoned areas which is about 10% of the county and yet we're only 72 percent owner occupied homes so you got 28% of the county that's living in rentals they either don't live in rentals in high-density areas so they're gonna live in rentals and single-family which is what we have up and down the 19 corridor so they have to go somewhere do they well why is that explain to me your reasoning well because 28 percent of people to live in Pasco County are in rentals today yes well but you're building more and you're saying okay you live in Hillsborough County you can come live in our new bright shiny apartments is what's actually happening and that's the reality and there's no show if you go to listen go to any go to the mall go to the outlet mall I mean the therefore I mean they have employees there's no huge need to bring more of a 10-8 and $10 an hour poison as you'll see in a minute the rents in the multifamily is being built in Pasco County art can't be afforded by somebody that's working minimum wage at the mall because we're high because they're high-priced you have to be in the mid 20s on an hourly basis to afford what's being billed in Pasco County so so my daughter graduates can college and move back here and she wanted to rent if we don't have if we don't I mean I would it wasn't her desire to go rent a house you know in Hudson or someone where it's affordable it would be you know she wanted to be in an apartment complex no and I think that is the demand that we're seeing is there are a lot of people who want to live in the what they feel might feel are more safe confines of a of a nice apartment complex with the pool and all the amenities that they have and that's what kind and then they save their money and then they buy a house that's that was a part of market that he's talking about most of us did that I did that I did the exact same thing obviously when I was out of college or why was in college too but again going looking at a certain area of the county is what we're doing is we're over saturating this one area and one market and just tossing it everything there the community doesn't like it they can't stand it the people that live there can't stand it you're I mean we've turned 54 56 into a part mint row that's what it looks like it's ugly its disgusting it's bad development it's bad for the future it's bad for this county it looks ridiculous yes sir the Wesley Chapel area called Trinity was for high end single-family homes that brought the quality executive housing whatever that brought in better demographics which has

led to a lot of successful yes there aren't that many apartments Argentina in your light we're just lighting up that area you've got about 40% of our employees 40% of our citizens that need apartments affordable rental that they can live in because can't afford to buy a house and living so what what we're building in Pasco County 80% of you're doing is fee simple right in the last three years 80% of so what's been constructed has been fee simple whether it's townhomes or standalone normal single-family 20% been the multifamily rental product so that's what's been built the last three years based on permits so I'm and I want to also distinguish when you say multifamily it's also townhomes well and these are starting reasons like they pull there's that one is there's a balaji family are townhomes and I could tell you I'm a lot of friends who want to get out of their house and into a [Music] maintenance-free condo townhome living yeah and that's what most of the by right in method zone is is that kind of zoning the mf1 it it ends up being because they're capped in terms of their density potential so you can't really build the apartment buildings through this and standalone MF districts there's there's a number of these permits that are so expensive that the people were talking about the workforce those slides yeah we have that in two slides talking about what the market is right now oh yeah let's let her I think we need to continue having that conversation though again about where we're going to continue to allow and where we're gonna put we again you're taking frontage 54 56 frontage which that's not what it should be if anything it should be employment sites and you're taking you know and you're using that again I've said a million times I'm not against apartments it's where we're allowing them to cut be and where you're just over saturating a certain area there the issue again I'm sorry but I don't think it's that difficult stop we stop letting them build on 54:56 corridor and that's surrounding area well let's point me location does matter that may be successful and integral part of the community they have to be located correctly right and then they also have to be built correctly so they have to be able to to be connected to the other uses that will allow for less trip generation as they're supposed to right now we're not developing them like that we're developing them like single-family subdivisions so you have to use your car for every the other grocery stores everything even if you're in a multi-family piece which should be the opposite it should be multifamily is a compact development which you should be able to get to where you need primarily outside of the car but that's not how we're doing we would like to be able to provide standards so I understand about the location too it is important to locate them inappropriately so they're not isolated segregated and not a part of the overall like what you guys did

last week cause I mean you did you did the Avalon Park West I wasn't here but you just want to have a little Park West right it's great downtown community you have a profitable area you have two multifamily you have to step down the whole thing okay that's done right correct okay that makes sense but again when we're tossed it's just tossing up individually we're rezoning these properties toss them up tossing them up along there that's wrong I think about the schools of things to see at least they can prepare when you have imp you deal I can diffuse and we're rezoning of this another property like we constantly do here boom now you they can't prepare for that there's no preparation we go and rezone in and they build them in six months and boom there's no prep that's some good things coming here's just a little snapshot of the way talking about the region and showcasing that not showcasing both highlighting the regional occupancy rate beam of 95.7% for the multifamily piece I have highlighted there the sub sub market area that they considered which is the new Tampa East Pasco see those numbers please ask you one question is that our pole occupancy rate and the county about 4% about what no no no 96% 96% for the economy I firmly my chair against 94 96 percent for all family yeah well what's our total lock did she write her off la I that would include the feet the my owner vacancy rate and I don't yeah I think I recently looked at that and I thought it was 94 percent for them you can see that number two percent yeah so for a normal rate is 4% in a in a community that's a normal vacancy rate I think that a couple things we want to highlight and touched on earlier the average effective rent in our sub market is about to fifteen hundred bucks a month which is about 25 26 bucks an hour to afford so you're not gonna afford that working across the street it even in public and they paid pretty decent wages when I was in college I mean after I graduated there was three or four of us that bumped up moved up three or four better apartment that's common sense that's what people do Commissioner Wells but you're right my sister-in-law just just got bought a house they were staying Apartments on trouble Creek and row and those cars have been there forever and it's a the two bedrooms 15 1500 bucks a month I mean yeah so it's it's not only out by you it's it's it's almost you know obviously we're gonna talk more about it we'll talk about affordable honey I mean we need help yeah you know well obviously we got mr. Collins project which would be a great project on the west side but that's a different story but that's a that's a affordable this just highlights a little bit of the MPD's and how it's broken down there's two hundred and ten MPGs in the county and 20 of them 21 of them specifically list multifamily as their only residential option if you will moving about units that there are an

additional 70 MPD's that list other that list multifamily as one of the pieces of residential uses we just don't know how much so they say here's a menu of option of residential uses we'll pick and choose when we're ready to build they haven't allocated a certain amount of number of units for any one of those categories the in the uncertainty that drives that is a mechanism called a land use equivalency matrix which is used to trade entitlements between the different types of land uses that the amputee might enable and until those traits happen you don't really know how many multifamily units might come out of the NP UD can you give an example of that so they're they're not that simple to give an example I'll try to simplify it you might have a land use equivalency matrix that identifies retail office and residential let's say and in that mix it might say that you know if you're going to increase or excuse me if you're going to decrease your commercial entitlements you have to increase your office entitlements by this much right so the mechanism is used to try to incentivize the types of land-uses that we would like to have in the county like office okay a lot of times there's sort of pressure release valves built into it that also enable increases in residential density or not density but in residential entitlement I should say in the number of units that are allowed so if there's a multifamily category in there you can trade your retail entitlement form or multifamily entitlement so mr. chairman yes sir commissioner the the lanius equivalency matrix is a leftover really from the DRI process those matrixes were developed to allow a DRI to trade off its uses and not be a substantial deviation they were then put in the MPD's because that was the way you were doing zoning but that the whole concept of trade off was historically was so that you didn't have to go through state review you could and it was your local decision to make to make those trade-offs but that's where that's how the matrixes were developed and a lot of them were generated just by trips but the trade-off was a simple trip calculation of how much traffic was coming out is that something we have to keep or something we want to know it's not a pie it's not I mean if you've already entitled a project with Alania swollen see matrix it's going to be tough to take one away it is not something that you have to continue to do in the future it's been used for flexibility all right because I will say I am very concerned we're not building enough office okay definitely want to do what we can to encourage more objects to be clear on we almost never longingly retreat off office for other uses and we approve those Lanie's equivalency make matrixes we make sure that the office cannot be treated at all but only big Creason I think we thought you can't decrease yeah okay it's comforting I still think we need more office and light industrial yeah great disagreement shown this little sample of what the MPD's are

doing regarding the tea family when we looked at that project akin we did a 5 mile radius look and we pulled all the multifamily piece around it and only a handful were straight up multifamily districts the others or the majority are the MPD's and you can see how it breaks down on average they're about in that sample 277 units per development representing about 12 dwelling units per gross acres and let me jump in because that doesn't include all the properties that already have the MF zoning that can currently right there were three that we weren't able to get the cat for no no that's fine but there's my point is there's multiple parcels along the area I mean how many 21 MPD's would just multifamily in that area - well I don't know where the well and then again in and we talked about this a little bit when we met is that some aren't in here and that's okay that are within that radius if you go down Wesley Chapel Boulevard there's multiple apartment complexes in that kind of little circle that are missing from this list - you know last Tuesday I when I wasn't you there was another one approved over the Grove and then they grow of you in addition that you already have the zoning for multifamily in addition that to turn any apartments in that area there's very little multifamily where I live there no no no what's the charge Boulevard you're talking the lake's project yeah I'm talking about in the same area here those are both on last week's agenda I can't so you've got more coming and you've got more there's we got some that we can't do anything about cuz the zonings already there thank you bill tomorrow and they're following the same isolated development patterns unfortunately across from The Grove is great you have all that retail and activity that synergy but how they're being built development dimensional standards the best but we can change that by allowing us to you know continue to improve our standards and the LDC this is why I think your job is so important because when we make mistakes those generational that's why we need to stop now and fix this before we continue to do it and fix that area because we're gonna people gonna pay for it 10 or 15 20 years down the road our feature commissioners are gonna pay for it when you have to all these dilapidated old buildings they're gonna be standing on 54 56 because you can't keep up and they're gonna and then it's not gonna be on us it's gonna be again future generations I touched on this before but this is just a visual of what I mean in terms of you know a multi-family apartment complex being built these live looking at the future land-use it would be appropriate because it's a Reds 9 it's along the corridor of an RR so it does make sense as a transitional flew you look at the zoning and you say well I could see that possibly happening community it says you choose like a menu of choices okay just for everyone's edification just to be sure to make sure because you said ad you and I'm not sure

everyone knows whatever sorry accessory dwelling units yeah and so like it long like yeah longleaf we have them over the garage and the people read them to college kids or divorce people attorneys [Laughter] this are ready happening we have our townhomes we have something that's denser like the tapestry at Cypress Creek we just haven't been able to blend them in a way that makes it come compatible and pleasing to the surrounding communities so through this practice research we've looked at opportunities to improve our owning districts by allowing these things to happen by right so you're taking the MPD's that are single use which shouldn't be and making them by right in our zoning districts so we can strengthen our MPD's for the purpose that they're meant to be and so here's an example of memory county or the trolleys they both of them have similar similar ways of addressing would they introduce building types very specifically and then where those building types are allowed which residential districts they're allowed in by right and then as a special exception and this creates that predictability so the community knows exactly what to expect when a development finally we touch upon the mobility fees as it relates to really not only the multifamily but single-family the ship categories of the multifamily and single-family development or single-family detached and age-restricted the bars and the numbers on the chart what you see is a net mobility fee the members that are called out and actually that dollar amount for the incentives that you're seeing so multifamily has an incentive in the urban standard of three hundred and nine dollars is what the incentive allocation is versus single family home is $1,200 we see that across the board in the urban to suburban incentivized fee allocation you have for multifamily there's two times greater incentive for the multifamily in the suburban than in Hamilton and three times higher our incentive or the single-family detached home in the suburban but that's kind that shouldn't be like that that's like backwards so your net fee is still higher in the urban versus suburban but your I mean yeah so your video by anything that a greater portion to make that happen that's crazy well because I'm gonna fix those you're doing the same thing with single family right your your fee is higher than the suburban and then even higher the rule but your dice on each one more a little higher we incentivize in other areas right subsidized yeah so some of you now have this because we pulled this up a little while ago which is different than what's in your book so go through this with me a little bit so many uses an example again that let's go to that fifties let's go that 54:56 corridor area wherever that fall on this list to put density oh yeah so for transit right so that's all gonna be that's all gonna fall into urban right

now okay urban standard from this list that I just passed out okay okay so the incentive there is 309 per unit okay well I know you I thought you were getting back to going back to the inside us but we're there now so I guess we'll talk about a little bit so right we're so we're - we wanted to show you the incentives now mm-hmm we haven't talked about the affordable piece yet we could the board can talk about these incentives now and then we can have Marcy talk to you through the Affordable piece sure link back on incentives for affordable is that maybe a way the board could help incentivize affordable is through the incentives but so we can either talk about these now or we can well yeah well that's your bar see we know though let's talk about this portion now because we're talking about standard apartment complexes so right now the urban standard if we me and said by the each of three hundred and nine dollars I can tell you right now it's unfortunate but I can still tell you right now that nobody's gonna stop building them if we get rid of doesn't set us we're just giving away money what is giving away money I so standard difference in from urban to suburban if we were trying to trying to develop an urban transit corridor why is suburban and sent up so much higher than the urban $1,200 at the suburban is so this is not an incentive this is the feat allocated frozen there's more so the V there's their discount on the chart here so your feed okay so for multifamily the net fee for a multi-family unit in the suburban standard is 3,970 one wait that says urban here to families urban I'm sorry what okay okay okay and so in order to get this net P you've reduced that's your in allocated money when the Commissioner mortis passed out Lulu and now they pay is the column this is net Mobility feet okay good yeah permit counter okay so if you look at this suburban fees are higher than they are in urban and the rural fee okay alright so that was because we were trying to incentivize density in the urban area you are doing that from the fee that you actually charge at the counter okay at that suburban when there's a greater incentive for suburban rules because their fees started higher because they have longer care planes from different levels of service so to get them down to the fees you see on the right we had to provide a bigger incentive can you give us an example of since Commissioner struck he brought it up of the suburban standard give me an area in the county that would fall under pretty much all of connected City area so what about more like Central and West is there anything most of the area I don't know how the urban goes so far north of 54 its those columns that go up 41 suburban standard is what I'm saying that area is all suburban some of the 52 corridor is suburban so again urban stander so urban mutt realm if someone you know somebody wants to go to mudroom route which a lot of that is along the 54 56 corridor a lot of much room they're getting a discount of $888

per unit yes so you're looking at say 250 unit apartment complex at 309 you're in the 70s 70 something thousand you're about a hundred and one an eighty thousand probably soft to tell him I had on a 250 unit subsidizing $888 it's a lot of cash at the muhtaram or even the TMV which we haven't really used the location of that density matters and and and those standards look at that so it is important to have the increase in density and intensity in the center and then it kind of wags as you get out of the center so those two categories that muhtaram and TD we should not forget that they're trying to create that center where you know higher density is appropriate and then it kind of fades away as you get away from the center [Applause] [Music] between my daughter wants to put off cards those tend to be more than what I remember cues well that's again the Tod would be Evelyn Park will be a Tod for example right our TNT makes sense right or tindy yeah it makes sense but again well where does we get to the modern tea in the interior if those tend to be the mixed-use project but when you're throwing when you're just tossing up you know apartment buildings rescaling yeah so when again was letting go back to why in the world Oh buddy incentivizing them and you can call it a subsidy all you want it's free cash you get into the residential that is not muhtaram T and D or Tod the reason they have an incentive is because back when we adopted mobility fees in 2011 we were trying to keep our fees competitive with with the jurisdictions around us and there's a slide that gets into that in terms of comparing our fees to the jurisdictions around us and then the only reason neither the standard fees were add any incentive at all was because of competition it wasn't necessary because we wanted more urban standard apartments because we're trying to keep our fees competitive with the jurisdictions around him so then you get to a point where you have a saturation of a certain area because of policies that were made now I know at one time this was supposed to be a transit corridor how's that working out it's not working out very well well I mean yeah yeah well we'll see if we're there by the time we're retired but it's not there and that was a plane at one time before this I know the team was here that was the point and that was pushed there was got all these great transit things going on 54 well that didn't come to fruition the carpet came before the horse so you bill apartment complex perfect now they're still in their cars so clearly we don't worry about being competitive anymore yeah you're corrupt that's a great point and and I want to hear from the professionals idea on how to fix this I mean I love what you're saying about the T and D and Tod obviously our family's a big believer net I do look at 19 in the nineteen quarter and I and I see that that corridor needs to be reimagined and

there are no apartments on 19 corridor except for it I have one I have one low-income or what do we got worker workforce that's behind the McDonald's and then as the old section 8 building but so you know I would still like to find some way to incentivize some redevelopment in that area you have zero yeah well maybe I need to go in the other even further and it'll set advice but I don't think does that mean I'm not even near the thing there may be areas where we you know we want to use the mobility fee or whatever incentive to get more help there for redevelopment and maybe that's part of what you're going to talk about so I'm willing to trade some of this money to help us fix other areas well it's obviously not enough what's your a zero zero then you gotta go in the negative and we got a help then you're giving money away of site yeah no God no we do that with our economic development money that's what because we need that for hard industries Commissioner Mariano I mean he's been waiting for some time I was gonna say the Gulf you malas got those apartments that are coming in yeah awesome so that is one apartment company's coming I know Marcy's going to talk about it but I think we got a great opportunity at the leisure Lane Mandarin area really let's go look at doing something man and I've had the devatta owner of Universal Plaza Inn and talked to him about multifamily coming in there or you know mixed-use development with offices below and shops shops and multifamily above what and talked about putting a transit hub there for the rapid bus that we're looking at putting in the county that would travel from the nineteen corridor down to Pinellas County and are in a rapid bus so I think we have to look at 19 a little differently than it has in the past and admit there may be errors in your district I don't know but we want to fix up they do yeah okay you know one of the reasons we call this meeting is because there was a motion on the table to do something at a prior meeting and there was requested by some to push it off to this workshop to give staff direction so now we're here so I mean do we have support as we seem to have half when I'm going to keep going for a second because we're talking about the fees now when it comes to the urban standard to get rid of that subsidy so is it more is it a little more complicated than just getting rid of a fee it's to me it's fixing that whole middle piece that's missing do it in a way that is looks at the whole right so where is it appropriate to focus our efforts if you're providing an incentive for multifamily to be successful and it is a vital piece in a thriving community right you don't you can't negate that piece for a myriad of reasons that we discussed before so so understanding more where it's appropriate to carve out that incentive and then not do an incentive in another area you can certainly look at the zoning district flexibility that we'd like to explore is providing for the compact development

option and a cluster development option so that by right there happening in a way that's that you have standards for and they're more predictable so that can can be overlaid on top of a mobility fee thank you further so I like a two-pronged approach that the zoning districts would really need to but neither one of those are I mean if you overlay them doing together the zoning district discussion is not a quick discussion right that's a very lengthy yes guys 12 to 18 months process just America you get the urban mudroom urban T&E can already set if you just take a look at the standard and go to multifamily that's one just got one item $309 I don't thinks gonna slow down anything but at least it'll go that one but on a road they may it may may not but what it wouldn't probably buddies did since no bills no need for it to be there would mr. wells well I'm just gonna ask for question why would you just focus on urban why would you just do it on all three tiers oh I'm I'm on a person in my standard yes with that would that D and son of eyes any multifamily on nineteen that were trying to yeah it's already carved out and sort of carved out so commissioner I know I'm sure well so you can show could you put the slide up on the board that shows Commissioner Starkey how there's zero thing zero in that market area that we're talking about harbors redevelopment yeah right it's zero zero Tania needs to go lower well does that affect that here you're talking about okay that's not visual sorry yeah so you know we go back to 2011 we when we started this obviously all of us want here a couple of us were I think but and the idea was to help office an industrial that was the idea correct so obviously we've come a long way trying to compete with other counties you know my thing is if we're gonna look at this it hasn't been adjusted since 2011 we need to look at adjusting other things cuz I look at and I don't disagree with you 54 corridor 56 quarter I look at gas stations restaurants you know we're looking at restaurants getting anywhere from forty thousand dollar incentive to be on 56 or 54 - yeah they don't need it anymore we need I think I agree we need to do something with the multi-family on 56 54 but we also if we're gonna do it I know it's gonna take some time but I think we need to look at the big picture and say again the West Market area yes we still need to incentivize and we probably need to be creative on how to do more to get folks to redevelop over there cuz it's really what we're doing is not working so yes we've got some private investment yes it's a big number but I think we could do more I just don't know how to do it but I think we could do more but I just we need to look at these other not numbers that's it's crazy the incentive we're giving for things that weren't job creators you know I think we started this in the recession we did [Music] so he's Commissioner well correct that there's all those things we need to look at Molly Fearon since we're again just

talking yes okay thank you because if we do and David you can keep jumping on that conversation that puts us in a long long process where this is something we could do instead of hearing you up we can get rid of this now and then your discussion yeah we need to sit down and have another workshop obviously and I agree with you and and look at that more intensely because that's gonna be a bigger package you might have to do the whole thing over if you want to do it if you wants to look at everything that the committee and we the board set up a stakeholder committee in 2018 and spent nine months working through the entire mobility fee structure right you adopted at the end of 18 or 19 so now the guidance given was don't increase certain fees and they didn't correct right so if that's what you're talking about Commissioner Wells then that's the timeframe you're looking at is we would need to go assuming you would want a similar process that's what it would look like again to do a complete rewrite if all you want to we into it a and we need to phase a and phase B a is addressed this issue now and then B is come back and do that longer term complete relook probably over 350 684 there we really don't need to incentivize anything I said that about hotels I know and that was there by Nelson flipping the hotels and pocketing the money make some big decisions here again people are coming no matter what me down that way I wanna well we still need to hear mark I want to I want to stay on this we can but I wanna I want I'm ok with that but I also want to continue with the fixing of our or the oldc rewrite yeah it's not very sure I mean that's at 12:18 but can we take off chunks of it so we don't wait for the whole thing can we so because we're removing things all the time and I want to fix it you know I would I don't want more that development Mariano yes wait they didn't answer oh I'm sorry okay as you get a piece done can you not bring it to us instead of waiting for the whole thing yes so we're looking so the land of element quarry right is gonna take quite a while as the kind of initiators noted we are looking at phasing it so we're gonna be bringing in by land use categories to make adjustments to chapter 500 of the land Alma Code and associated chapters whatever it's touching so to speak and we'll do that in phases I'm not prepared to give you a timeline for which phases go so I remember talking to you like a year and a half ago about doing this for your safety you know fixing the zoning and the rules so that we could incentivize redevelopment I can't remember the term that the planning term that we were using form base code but yeah I mean eyes I need that I need that right away so so that we can well the discussion here is about multifamily and so the logical starting point in that phase the discussion would be to address the residential first so you haven't done anything on the 19th well tell what we've done in the last

year in particular which was a very large and time-consuming task was to take a look at all 210 and PUD S which covers about 23% of the county's land mass understand what the amputees have been doing all these past few years that they've been getting approved and then once we understand what the amputees are doing that's kind of telling us what the marketplace has been up to essentially and identifying what kind of performance criteria we can pull out of those amputees and transport them and implant them into the land of Honor code so that more can done okay well then I'm I need to ask for you on used-car Lots on 19 because I have no because that was supposed to help fix that and and if it's years away we need to do it City Newport which is doing we've got past the window and door coming in to be a used car line I mean it's just every property on 19 is turning into a nasty little used-car lot and I'll say that because they look nasty and and I just not I just think we have enough as you say we have enough departments you don't see what we see on 19 so let's go bring it back and workshop it oh I need some directions like a moratorium on that we haven't set up for a used car lot on 19 wait you know we're looking at this as the LBC rewrite piece the MPD is a portion of the chapter 500 but each MPD is like a mini code those standards that are in the MPD that's where you can influence right away every time they come so those standards can be more rigorous right away because it is a very powerful rezone district and so without those rigorous standards you get something that's unpredictable and and and that people are not like I don't have any amputees on us 19 no not on us 19 I'm just saying as a whole like you're saying when can we get to address some of these pieces without waiting for the LBC rewrite standard to be adopted in an ordinance but the MPD comes as a you know mini code every time and they have standards in there every time we active and you can make those standards it's a negotiation every time you can negotiate for better standards Thank You Marissa Marion thank you and you know to go back to what can we do on us 19 when we had the committee two years ago looking at everything I was pushing real hard to take all the west pass trophies and just eliminated completely and the reason they set out the redevelopment from the other was they just one of a slight difference between the two but I think we could agree in the past year and a half two years been sitting have we seen anything going on right now I got I got one guy who wants to come in on us 19 building homes like can't do enough for him to get me a personal matter of fact the apartment complex would have come in for redevelopment able but to help anybody anywhere to put any residential development in let's just wipe them out right now they're like a 25% all right what page you want I'll uh be clear the difference is the vacant land versus redevelopment there the redevelopment plays zero vacant land

in the West mark three rupees 25 percent of the beach and I will tell you whether it's a vapor or whether is redevelopment I don't care yeah give me some demographics let me get a change going on yeah and anything that's in there guess what it's a positive create some revenue brakes and drugs going on and they were close to getting it done but they just for some reason had a trouble pulling the trigger I think we should just give the direction and go pull the trigger just wipe them out let them go that's an additional incentive that probably needs to be part of this phase B process because I know they studied this I understand that but that's we have to he more incentive money to incentivize that down to zero so that that's not removing incentive that's creating an additional incentive I'm gonna say though if you take a look at that 309 for the apartments you extra money gonna pray from there I'll guarantee you can be really close to bounce it up yeah I'd like to say you're not gonna see that much development anyway but anything anything will offset how far off could we be you need B than when you remove under incentives it does balance out but it's but there's a very big difference in terms of how quickly we can do this between just removing an incentive for a single use like you know standard apartments versus trying to balance out various incentives and disincentives I mean that that's you can do the things Aidid he talked about which is just removing the incentives or standard apartments that could be done very quickly 90 days if you're gonna start adding new incentives that we have its turf you're gonna okay it requires more calculation that we might have to bring our consultant doc didn't do time up did we do this calculation 2018 we did but we did them based on assuming only not a hundred percent incentive for the vacant land we assume the seventy five percent discount though I suppose making whatever so we didn't count it between the difference from one to the other one that company was looking at it the request was to look at ellis the committee recommended i understand what the committee recommends that we'll have to go look and can i go back to the point of incentivizing below that line if you've ever heard the former mayor of Pittsburgh speak what's his name he's a Uli fellow Murphy Murphy Murphy they bought up the stock and then they brought in and partnered with developers and turned around their communities so it it is a device is a tool beside listen but you're taking it I have no problem with if the board wishes to incentivize development along the nineteen Carter but you need to find a different pot of money okay where you're fine you're taking any transportation fees and saying you're gonna encourage somebody to develop more impact how about the X that's not gonna work oh well kid and I appreciate this these are great discussions um can we it seems like we do have some consistence no finally this meeting about the urban standard in a listen in getting rid of those subsidies on all three zones right

correct okay please so we have other categories and multi-family family I would leave them alone I'm okay with leaving those alone are you guys located leaving those alone I would just note that there's a conversation coming wearing a conversation about the Affordable okay so I'm okay with leave those alone we need we need some more we need more age restricted and we know that correct that was what we've discussed I heard two other commissioners stick are we okay with that oh I need some are we okay with that yeah the standard are we okay with that mmm Commissioner Wales you don't care do that okay so there's direction yep we can have this I don't you think mr. chairman yes sir can he also look at the same time the data back in 2018 when the study was done we'll look at the data as part of this and just see what it is we can look and see if the increase in the multifamily is enough to offset that decrease if it's not look and just take away the 309 yet for somewhere else right what I'm saying we can see if there's pain after paying it commissioner pain that's the discount the reduction the commissioner Mariano's and that money is in the transportation pot yes ma'am so sidewalk so just to clarify to when we're talking about I'm just gonna use that area along 54 56 which Commissioner Starkey and I share the majority of that area by 75 that will take care of basically these getting rid of the subsidies for those standalone apartment complexes along that corridor yeah correct okay just want to make sure we're on the same page here now last question before we move on what can we do to help alleviate the issue in addition to this of the constant building and rezoning going on along the 51st 54:56 corridor do build the state of own apartment complexes what can we do to stop that you mean to move them away from me to wait until they have their matrix there to keep them a lot of cable up that corridor one of you do direct plenty of stuff to not approve MPD's that are single use multifamily I mean you could require your MPD's to be mixed use only I mean there's nothing to say that your staff has to continue to recommend approval to you of single use multi-family MPD's these are all requests so driven by the marketplace so for example I use an area say 41 to I mean you guys jump in but I'm just throwing 41 to say Bruce B downs now little bro there you go positive or don't have the issues that they have over there we but that direction can really only be given at a commission meeting how can we give that I mean give that direction to staff in the county administrator we can't really not to recommend approval or something I think we create criteria for that might help address the concerns that the commissioners have whether it's location appropriate or not so it's not a blanket one-size-fits-all approach there's some sort of scoring or

criteria by which we examine the request a single use and PUD that could that criteria or matrix can be developed for consideration in scoring like a scorecard take Terry that's gonna take a wine is your evaluation and appraisal before it supposed to be coming when you're gonna have that discussion with the board because some of this I think is is while we keep talking owning is in a future land use issue as well because if you've got high Reza's along the Carter we're talking about then it's gonna be difficult not to allow a multi-family product in it the the EI are we all a letter so to speak to do come June on the evaluation will presume apart and what we're going to be doing and so planning development is going to be in the next month or two March April ish someone there be reaching out to various commissioners to speak to them about what we're looking at for the EI are the one thing to keep in mind with regard to the AR is that what we say we're going to do do will expect us to do it within a year's time so we would want to make sure that the EI are that we put together is manageable and can be done and achieved within a year but thing to really think about to the county attorney's point is that the comprehensive plan is coming upon its horizon year at 2025 so looking at the comprehensive plan comprehensively is a fairly large effort that would be multi here it's scope i so i served on an ear were you on that years ago are you doing that like that again with are you doing yourself well we had it right now we're assessing milder oh yeah well the for the ear we're looking at the statutory requirements and we're what do we need to do to meet state statute keep the comprehensive plan current with state statutes the second thing that we're looking at right now for the year is looking at what are the comprehensive plan mandates that have not yet been completed so there's a lot of things in the comprehensive plan that talk about this should be shall be done by 2012 or 2014 or 2016 so we're taking a look at those and identifying you know i have they been completed do we still need to do them one will we do them so that's kind of where our main your focus is at the moment we're still developing where we're gonna go with the ear but we should have that mapped out pretty much by april-ish so that we can send our get ready to inform everybody and send the state our intent a course of action so to speak in june we don't have to do these citizens advisory committee problems that you did that was required by settlement agreements without one update monumental effort got to get it done yeah you were talking about ago about the quarter you said from 41 to pick six what i'm use it as a 41 the Brio what I was just using as an example of an area that's high concern at least to me and might be a lot of my constituents in there right I believe it just out of your nests rain comes over in my district with pitch six you know I started I said what realized apartments are there yeah okay yeah I just said to

Bruce be Dallas for exam you're gonna need up you're gonna need multiple we're gonna need some I know that hopefully we don't have to have my row not gonna work on that roadway is important it's you know you got four lane on 56 we're on our way 301 three-oh want to be four-lane all the way through to fowler and then of course the extension all around to county line 39 and then back to Chauncey need to be careful it'll look same way yes sir you're right I mean we if we're gonna look out in the future that that is the future isn't food stock will happen right away but it'll be they're trying to put a bonus am i hearing that you would like us to not allow single-use MPD's with multifamily as a single use along the 54:56 corridor from gun gun to one 301 III I've not I don't know enough about your district to say where that line should be it's real rule I know I do think you need apartment there but I think they should in multifamily don't have to and they're gonna be part of those MPD's that are already set up that are there they've already approved a separate not a single use so what how far off of 5456 because now I mean are you thinking that first parcel are you thinking I'm trying to enter in that thousand feet the order a mile don't see well that's not necessarily good either it is good we don't know planners the berry apartments in the back of a community means all that traffic has to drive through the community to get to up you're talking single you we're talking so no use for bigger share that's the word how much about singular simple games are there let me ask this are there some coming to planning now for the fit coming out with three oh one is there some quarter look anymore that Donald goes single you said beauty well there's a couple of amputees already approved on that correct right are they single use amputees they're no they're not singly used for their predominant single family not multi-family okay well I'm not sure only single family is a good thing personally you think you should have a mix of townhomes and in homes with accessory dwelling units and a mix of that that's part of the impunity that's probably MPD single use strictly just for one type of residential but that's not is that good no that's not good that's what we just don't want that you know what single you suppose a family no we can't prop no ghetto from you barbar you can't do it I'm sorry you know we can't borrow borrow why would we get Barbara we can't talk from the audience I can't I have a whole audience that would want to speak we can't but but I I I'm just saying in in single single use residential is not good easy right single home residential no raw for the IMP you deep brain that's all that's the definition of sprawl you want to mix and and more compact and more compact and walkable and just like what Avalon West is you but you you you start with your urban core of York your little development where the density is and

then you phase it out so I wouldn't be for even as you know I think when a single-family in a single in a neighbor had single-family homes you have everything from villas to you can have small homes you can have large homes you have that mix there so I wouldn't cut out say single use single-family homes the thing don't you're saying you're saying what you're stating is that you don't think you should only have single family home developments is what you stated right don't think it should be a mix of closing types within a development but you still have an opportunity with single-family homes that could be fellas they can me can you if it's a single family away the villa is a single family home no it's not their multi-family omits it two more units on whether it's single-family attached whether it depends on how the ownership is divided up you can have a product that is a pillow product that that is single-family you can also add a villa product that is akin to a duplex yeah I think that and correct me if I'm wrong mr. Schneider one way to think about it is you have single-family detached and you have non single-family detached the non single-family detached is pretty much what we were calling multifamily so whether that single-family attached such as a townhouse or a duplex where they share a wall right that's still under the umbrella of multifamily under the Pasco County definitions so anything that's not single-family detached is essentially a multi-family use okay I just don't know we're getting way off now we're getting way off okay let's stay on track to talk about we're talking about you know Harlen complexes if I may that's we got to stick to this because we're getting yeah a wild time here if I may if the board wishes to consider with the ideas that are on the table right now so the key thing to keep in mind is that in traditional planning you're going to have the most intense uses along the most intense corridors typically so you're not going to necessarily want to put high density multifamily product offset from the intense corridors where the traffic impact would be higher through low dense bill density areas if you think of it like a bell curve your multifamily high intensity or high density I should say will match or or line up with your high intensity locations right so if you have a corridor like 54:56 one reason why the marketplace is doing what it's doing right now is because you have the intersection of 54 56 and i-75 high intensity Coors high density is locating along the high-intensity quarters that's one reason why that's happening market-driven with some of our comprehensive plan policies and land development code codes behind it so one might consider some of the suggestions that are on the table but keep in mind that locating those uses far farther and farther away from those intents quarters may make them less likely to occur or harder to be done I guess

Commissioner Mariana I think we've established we've got enough single-use apartments along the corridor and that's where I usually get up yes well we didn't we didn't set the West Corridor des and I would unless unless we a consensus but I would put it at Gunn not not 2:19 and not too little that's a good leave that for redevelopment I just want to make sure we're clear though it is serious point there sometimes a single family uses adjacent to the corridor aren't appropriate either an answer if your goal is to preserve those corners for employment that's you tend to be office retail uses it's not single-family either so I mean there's a lot of discussion we've had about multifamily being on these corridors but single-family adjacent to our high speed bird way isn't always appropriate either because they also do a lot of buffering they tend to be these is to complain the most about the roadway next to them and they come in after the fact and say we want you to build a huge wall to separate this from from the roadway yeah so hey and I think we can just look at this in a you know just isolated on one form of residential use because there's yeah single-family uses that may not be appropriate on that corridor but look how nice Starkey ranch looks with those those homes are on the 54 corner and it looks nice there are you saying we should strip out the whole front I don't know all I'm saying is to Terry's point sometimes multifamily is more appropriate high-speed Road okay mr. Mariota most the time you have that type of issue though it comes from when you get a situation where you had a single lane road you went to six Lane Road and all of a sudden now you got to build a wall cause you get more traffic when a thing was designed like five a road and over in beacon woods that's a busy road gets a lot of traffic but everything single family is all around you but it's set back it works nobody complains the one thing to keep in mind I think also with single-family detached is that there they have a very their staying power is stronger once you build a single-family detached house it's very you're not gonna be able to go back and just change land uses unlike a commercial building for example which has typically a 30-year life cycle and you can redevelop certain properties in healthy economies at least so just keep that in mind to David's point and kind of working tag tandem here that when single family moves into a corridor it's gonna be very difficult to move that single-family off that corridor yeah so I know we need to move on so we got you have direction and reference to the multifamily along there and in the standards multiple permits standard standard Apartments and you have you've heard our concerns for single-use apartment in pewdie apartment complexes along that area take it back to your team you know you hear our concerns along that area in the redevelopment 25% number yeah we're gonna look at that and you heard moratorium on used-car Lots frankly I

think it'll be the whole county not well I know we can't do it here but we had discussion here we want you to bring something back on a moratorium on you Scott so yeah you get use out like that I know I won't do it on the tenant so I know it's too early probably for more so we can get that on the agenda for the second meeting of March forget what on the agenda I mean what are these you know what we just we just gave you directions right right so that could be the first Commission takes 90 days right to public hearings in front of the board okay all right so three public hearings go through and they can't take effect for 90 days out well let's understand that will I get that so zoom second second Planning Commission meeting in March the deadlines for that are March 9 so they can't be done for the second that's your butt's getting rid of Senate one two three subsidies I'm sure you can write that up all right that in the back pocket cuz when you were doing the update all right so let's let's go ahead well I want to make sure that was the only it's that one right and then we will bring you information on the infill in the West Market area in what work we did and what work would still need to be done on that the consistence of the board of this time is standard only yes but we have some other impact pieces like consider has to come back to another workshop well I don't that discussion but also heard is put in motion a plan to do the whole reef relook that's Commissioner Wells as suggestion before that crab I'll leave it up to them let's go out we get committee yeah let's get this done first well you had a stakeholder committee of about it was a large group 1518 people on it focused on this and then we will put the timeline and schedule for what the bigger thing would look like and then yeah you can you can see that all right we got through that thank you all and are we pass them in Horsham RC now RG are you yeah okay so we're gonna shift gears a little bit to talk about affordable housing and then how that rolls up into the discussion that we just have I like to start off with some definitions of affordable housing so we consider rental or owner-occupied housing that costs at or below 30 percent of a person's gross income is considered affordable and you will hear this term used a number of times throughout the presentation cost burden is considered any household that pays more than 30 percent of their gross income for their rent or their mortgage so how do we get affordable housing so to speak so so we either subsidized the household so we subsidize the household to rent or buy or we subsidize the developer to build and that's how those units become affordable and in Pasco we're doing those programs with state and federal funding administered by the Community Development Department so this chart which I specifically clipped to look exactly like this is shows the area median income and whenever we're looking at affordable housing we are looking at at income qualifying

households according to the area median income for HUD programs Housing and Urban Development those programs are all 80 percent or under and for the SCHIP program the state housing initiative partnership those go under a hundred twenty percent so this chart is adjusted for 50 percent 80 percent and 120 percent of the area median income and if you were to read the chart have you looked at that 80 percent on the lefthand the second the second column to the left and just read it straight across you would see that a family of four if they were to qualify for an affordable unit cannot earn more than fifty three five and that's how you read that chart so what does this look like as a visual so this is a map of the county and you could see where populations live based on in the white areas there are about fifty percent or less of the area median income the green areas are eighty percent or less of the median income and the blue areas are at 120% of the median income so right there we just talked about all the the income levels that qualify for either HUD or ship assistance all three of those so so when we're looking at affordable housing there's a number of factors that come into play and and this is just a general look at the market analysis of of the county and so what you'll find that the age of the housing comes into play so housing here is is of the older stock and when you have older housing you have other issues that come along with it so 28% of our owner-occupied housing is built after the year 2000 and 24% of the renter occupied housing so we also look at the condition of the housing and hide we'll look at if you look at the asterisk on the bottom a housing problem it could include complete plummet plumbing or kitchen incomplete plumbing or kitchen facilities overcrowding severe overcrowding or cost burden and so if you look at the condition of our housing units you'll see that 30 percent of our units have at least one of those problems and 48% of our renter occupied units have at least one housing problem and as we look through the entire presentation you will see that the number one issue here in the county is the cost of the housing so our median house prices increased 77 percent in 13 years wait till two of our commissioners come back I hate that they're missing this you want to take like a five-minute break yeah sure yeah Vice Chair yeah I needed a break anyway I get to stand up oh you don't well yeah you probably give me those [Music] back like Newport Richie and Marcy if you want to like to continue on ma'am my husband was in radio for 32 years and he would say something like and we're back very good I like that so just to finish this area that we're talking about looking at the analysis of our housing market and if you look at the bottom bullet point the median house price increased 77% in 13 years here and immediate contract rent price over seven okay so here's another visual don't these all look good okay so so here you have another visual of a renter versus

owner occupied housing and I put this in here and these by the way our maps that come from HUD and their Community Planning and Development and so what it does is it shows us the description and yeah go back 1 deliver this yeah go back to assistant of public housing you don't worry thank you okay so and in this slide and several of those slides also come from our partners the Schomburg Institute which is the Clearinghouse in the state for affordable housing data and they pulled what they had in their database of subsidized housing in the county and again we're looking at the different funding sources so you have state Florida Housing Finance Corporation HUD multifamily and public housing USDA and then our local Housing Authority so they've mapped 15 developments with just under 44,000 affordable units that is not a lot in a population our size know it that's way under 152 that's great I will be showing that gap that specific gap and what we're looking for so again this you know a lot of talk about multifamily vs. single-family owner-occupied housing and and I put the percentages together and I just want to explain because they look better if the two maps were separate but that gray all those big gray blocks are are in they are all where there is like over 70% single family single family or owner-occupied housing and so conversely those are areas where there's a very smaller amount of rental occupant occupancy and then the orange areas are where there's a higher occupancy of rental versus owner occupied what's the red that's the highest amount of rental so that's kind of an egg that farming rental housing house so so let's look at the need Whalen that's where the highest percentage of Cornell but it's not in Pasco County C so we're who is that late on the Sumpter yeah Wow so we're looking at more more than Pasco County on this man well do you see this as if code base map until you see a county border yeah the black is the census botcher zip code based yeah I understand okay so that if we just go around that's the border of Pasco so so that red on the eastern side and then the red right below is not part of the county there's some Polk County okay so we have 40 percent of Pasco households have incomes under 80 percent of the median income so they would qualify as low moderate and 54 percent would be considered cost burden so they pay more than 30 percent of their income on housing and then this is also the map of looking at cost burden so again again the darker or the darker the area's the purple and the darker blue are the highest percentage of those that are paying more than 30% of their income but the lightest are those few areas where they're not housing cost burden and and you'll see as we go along with cost burden that you could be cusper and owner-occupied and renter occupied there's just greater it's greater on the rental side so here you see that a renter is twice as likely to be in housing cost burden than a homeowner and we've talked about the

cost of especially the new rental unit cetera so I'm looking at need we not only look at the cost of housing but we also look at the population because we want to if we're gonna build we want to be able to meet the needs of a population and what you see here is that is that between 27 2016 the rate of our youth population and our senior population was running neck-and-neck but then starting this year and projecting from the next 20 years definitely our senior population is outpacing our youth population and so when we look at what our needs would be in the next 20 years we would certainly see that senior housing as opposed to family housing there's a there's that increase of that population and then in the county we also talked a lot about at Alice households asset limited income constrained employed and I thought you'd be interested in just seeing the percentage of Alice population based in the different areas of the county so Alice income Alice households would tend to spend over 30% of their income on housing and the idea of living paycheck to paycheck so that they have a problem with their car or they lose a job they're more likely to get into a major financial crisis or perhaps become homeless so now we're gonna talk a little bit about the gap that we have in housing and again thank you to the schember Center for this analysis so the largest gap for housing needs are for owners and renters that are below 60 percent of that area median income so we go back again to that one of that first choice that first chart and if you go across and you see what sixty percent is so you see that that 4-0 to 30% 9000 prospered so under 60% four times the number of households our cost burden from sixty to eighty percent it's it's almost a one-to-one ratio about one and a half to one ratio but when you look at over eighty percent where where we don't have you know it's flipped so that there's a whole lot more households that are not cost burdened as opposed to being cost burdened the left-hand side are owners versus the right-hand side being renters and again you could see that there are more costs burden households on the renter side than the owner side and 60% of them below so if you look on the right-hand side you're looking at 19 almost 20,000 households that are cost burdened in our community that are paying more than 30% of their income so we mentioned what type of people are paying more than then that and this is a very good slide and study so we calculate what would be a housing wage so that would mean what would it take for somebody in Pasco County to in order to rent even what's considered a fair market rent which is around eleven twelve hundred dollars so they'd have to earn seventeen dollars and sixty two cents but the average worker earns seventeen dollars and twenty seven cents so there's that gap and and you know we talked about how is that how is that handled well a good point the Chairman made is that when he got

out of college you know three people rented an apartment in today's day and age often times families showing up and so you could have the conceivably be overcrowding because a couple of families will be renting not just individual students but a couple of families will do that and we also will then do subsidizing rent with section 8 vouchers or if it was a homeless situation we could do permanent supportive housing vouchers you know at the Habitat for Humanity's breakfast there was a perfect example of that mom husband lost his job and they had to move in with the daughter and they were living in the living room yep one family all the kids were in one bedroom and the other family was in the other bedroom two bedroom apartment and an overcrowding is a housing condition that had defined as a problem so let's look at some of the workers and the those that are employed here and what they can afford each month and we see here people work in the school system retail home health aides you know on the lower end between five and six hundred fifty a month and the middle end we're looking at office clerks customer service representatives people in the medical profession school bus drivers so we've got people that work here in the county or for local government we have people that are working in the medical profession and then on the higher end of it secretaries people that fix our cars we go to the bank every day and and certainly your emergency service personnel as well so these are all people that we recognize and that we work with and do business with on a daily basis there's another way of showing that what would it be an affordable rent for median wage workers so the two-bedroom apartment market rent for our area would be 11:33 I think that's a little bit lower I think it's closer to 12 right now but you know you take a little bit so if you look at that just going straight across let's look at secretaries and admin assistants they would be able to afford eight hundred and twenty-two dollars so they would have to come up with a way to afford the $1,200 a month or 11:33 a month read mr. chairman yes sir so from the previous slide when you've got the categories that's all based upon one single person yes so you have two people that are from one category to the other category you read those together okay yes but and that's assuming that that both people are working I would say that the biggest need in the county is single so when you look at a lot of the wait lists and and things you'll find that they talk a lot about individuals looking for housing [Music] very interesting slide I find it a little complicated thank you shivers but again affordable rentals meaning not not paying more than 30% so we look at the orange color are available rental units that are either vacant or they're occupied by somebody that's been income qualified so that means that they've gone through an income qualification

process and they are showing that their their gross income fits into that area median income and and the blue is for units that are considered to be affordable but they're not available so they've been rented to somebody above the income threshold so what you see here and then the purple is the total number in that in that group so what I don't like about this slide is it accumulates but so how you would read this is that for 0 to 30% there's a huge shortage of affordable units so 2,200 are occupied 2500 are occupied by people that aren't affordable but the need is for 10,000 so there's a shortage of almost 8,000 units there and then it accumulates as up to 60% and again we've said that 60% over low is is the big is where the biggest need is and then it flips so you see that when you're looking at 120 percent the supply exceeds the rental demand and and I think it's really important to see this because this is why we make some decisions that we make about the programs that we have and how we spend our money because it's based on where the need is okay wait can you that's last column you could say that again so so up to 120 percent on the median area median income there are four forty one thousand those forty four thousand four to four thousand four hundred and eighty that's that's what's available but there's a forty one thousand in that and there's forty one thousand houses so we have three thousand you or them well these are the luxury apartments no ma'am no these are higher twenty percent yeah thirteen hundred dollars a month yeah we're still affordable oh they're still affordable over eighty percent but you're so affordable so this also is so I'm gonna get on my little soapbox on your thing I'm the affordable housing continuum and Commissioner Mariano and I've had this conversation now a couple of times so when you're looking at affordable housing for a community what you want to make sure of is that you have a continuum or a variety of housing you you can't just have one type of housing because then you're not meeting the need of the various types of people who need affordable housing in your community so I'd like to look at this slide and share with you a little bit about how we why we do some of the things and what we're doing here in Pasco so when you're looking on the lower end supportive housing what you're looking at is many times what we're doing working with people that are coming out of homelessness so in order for them to stay housed for getting them into permanent supportive housing and we're wrapping around services for them so they can stay housed we also have that kind of supportive housing situation with older adults or adults with disabilities that's how they stay housed and special needs so so you need to have that for the lowest end of your community if you don't then you're gonna see more people in the streets and encampments and so himself after that we're looking at which we've talked

about the affordable rental housing that includes all of our subsidized housing public housing are very good partner Pasco Housing Pasco County Housing Authority very good Housing Authority partner in this arena are our subsidized units that we saw that were almost four thousand of those subsidized units vouchers that are administered by the Housing Authority and a voucher can be taken there's project-based vouchers that go to specific locations but then there's vouchers that you could take anywhere and and rent to rent with any number of apartments and a voucher would mean that that individual would pay 30 percent of their income and then the voucher would pay the Delta so if it was a $1,300 place then they could only afford three three hundred dollars and the voucher would pay for and who where does the money for the bounce of comfort hut is that what is that what passes for money with us and that's about at for veterans that's about your for veterans does that hug pays yeah do we have a do we have a waiting list for vouchers yes I would think those also used in family rentals it can be sure what'd you just say gonna be used for single family rental I'm sure we have that out and click in my district so then and then lastly we have a portable home ownership and we've mentioned habitat which is our best partner when it comes to affordable home ownership because they're building for those people who have come out of they might have come out of supportive housing or they've been in an affordable rental market but now their credit ready and responsible and willing to take on home ownership so we have that we have communities that do shared equity we we ourselves in in our office do downpayment assistance with the ship money do we have a Community Land Trust we do not here and I'll tell you I don't think this is a good place for it okay and then we do affordable construction so the history in our department has been we put a lot of money a lot of money into affordable construction where we were building signal family homes we're sort of waning out of that I don't think that it's been the best investment of our that's when we went in and picked up some houses in a neighborhood and you have to try and build them from scratch so we you know we lost money on all of those yes you should hear me when we sell something and I'm like we lost 40,000 and then we do a significant amount of homeowner rehab and weatherization we want to make sure that when people are you know there are low-income people that are in houses that have become owners we want to make sure that they could stay there an age in place and be safe where they are not cycled back to the other side of this continuum so we do a lot of renovation for them so so this was really meant to give you an overview of our affordable housing market and our needs and in reference to the mobility fees what what we're company coming to you with is that there are many tools in the toolbox for a community to help incentivize affordable housing there's obviously you need in

our community for more affordable housing and one of the things that we can do as a government is we can say that we will subsidize subsidized or give an incentive for all the affordable developments and we've reviewed affordable housing mobility feed exemptions and furls we've considered examples from other communities I myself came from Collier County where we did a lot of deferrals in order to do deferrals you need a significant infrastructure we had a department that managed those separately what do you think by deferrals so you you would ask for it back at another time so we are not recognized based on the savings that you might have from the incentives that you're taking away that we can't take money from there to be over there that has to be used specifically for certain project no right so we are records yes absolutely yes so we are recommending that the board consider a hundred percent incentive for ship rental and owner-occupied cap categories when it comes to affordable housing for mobility people from mobility know I just had a conversation where the sultan's Oh Oliver he said there probably is enough budget to do both what Commissioner Mariano asked for hand for marthy though what about the Commission Mariano that's what those uh yeah filter point some of that money there were some of the incentive money that we're taking away from standard apartments Commissioner Mariano asked for some of that to be placed to increase incentives in the West market here well I asked that for that too well here for baking in fillory make it a hundred percent in sentiment center instead of a 75 percent incentive right now at 75% he asked if we had done the work for the hundred percent okay sounds like we have it also sounds like there's enough money there right now affordable multifamily and single-family subsidy is not subsidized down to zero it gets the subsidy but it's not nearly so the question is the board wants to look at the mobility fees for affordable single-family and you deserve them a single-family or multifamily - or both portable when we do this change I see you're saying if the board wanted to look at also reducing the affordable single type of affordable multi-family please we were clear if it's so calm or we don't need a matter that's right they ask for a more raise he's fine okay say we were talking so go ahead the question is when we read doing this adjustment on the multi-family can we also look at taking the affordable multi-family and the affordable single-family down to a hundred percent inside gotcha are you gonna do that in certain market areas that we're looking at cuz your focus on people's you got seen across the board well yeah we need it everywhere did you see the map I mean it needs to be everywhere the whole county is probably every district I just know I know but I think you're looking at certain focuses I think you need him so you know your your West Market area that

you're talking about in the area that you have the highest homeless population I think you need to have some centers are there and we have sunny areas have some issues over Bernie Sanders damn you'll kill yo you have so much money to go around I'm trying to help you so I don't think there's a lot of affordable product out there right now yeah I think that there's not a lot of projects yeah I know that what you might have missed the the comment that David had made you talk to Tyndale and what I was asking fara can be funded and they think this can all be I do hear that ok yeah that's what started that's what's our things Thanks this would this would help out not only the habitat project and please your lane but habitat projects on the east side of the county - yeah that's right that's so the number one thing that developers say when they come to you is that it costs too much to build here because of these fees yeah so that takes that totally off the table yeah it's just gotta work on the utility fee that's I mean utility you're paying for capacity that's you're paying for capacity Tilly's I was technically kind of moral patience right with this one but okay my only my point was being that we talked about certain areas you have certain concerns we mentioned on a regular basis mentioned laser Lane at West Market area Commission please mention some areas out in his district also make sure we're focused on this I don't want to invite everybody and their mother to come into town and say we want to build this here here here and everywhere you need em spread out you don't work all of it in one area finish so that's where the that's where am I that's where we've tried to focus on and have not been successful so stick to your guns and focus on those areas and put the money towards those areas that need the most I think land values will drive what you're looking for and you won't see them where you have the high land values right I think the market looks better than the market I think so yeah well I don't see typically Marcy's giving other dollars to these products for existence used to be every neighborhood with you [Music] so nice turkey in the old days of the DRI it used to be that a certain percentage had to go to workforce housing right so what do developers have no responsibility now that they pay into a they don't pay into a fund so all the rules I meant with editable Housing Committee that met with like that they took it away and you could add that to we could add that to our land development code you could say that we're requiring X percentage of 10% or 15% to to be affordable or I think we should I'm not so sure that you can anymore I want to make law Ainge last session of the session before that said that we couldn't require affordable housing but it was our obligation to confine and make sure that I'm correct on that but but I'm pretty sure that that long if they have put the granny flats sweet

because we is you have Direction food so what we also the direction yes it's looked at including the waiver of mobility or mobility fee exemptions for affordable housing and single-family multifamily along with the other two things that were mentioned earlier with the removal the incentive on multifamily standard multifamily in every district so urban resin suburban in rural and then also will double check to make sure we have the numbers that work out for the infill stuff and if that does and will package that all together as part of the process no I think one one addition to the again the direction that was given which I was asked by staff when I walked by to about that concerned for the stain alone apartment complex longer yeah what I have is you know the board is concerned about the wood concerned about the single-use MPD's multifamily along 56 54 corridor probably higher design standard type stuff if we think about bringing something forward anything else direction was why you you rushing to get out of here we're done with we're done we're done no I'm good I'm good and I I just like what I can see yeah and I didn't hear any specific things on the budget it was just an update I'm are when when we talk about the budget again or do we there's a workshop there is a workshop late and it's the one that's been the first and second I made the last year by thinking is up on the 30th of April this year or well a lot more refinement on BP is and know much more where we are still using the e to have percent number until Gary gives us a preliminary figure and so now that said if there's something you're interested in make sure are we know will make sure we build the numbers will make sure we understand what the cost for that BPI are all right whether it's ranked higher or not at least we understand so just so you know I think Danny we're gonna be planning to be on the April 24th agenda is that we will we decided March 24th that's right around the corner is that is that is that one here in New Port Richey yes ma'am yeah so under commissioners items we're gonna request about 10 minutes or 15 minutes we'll try and have it ready on the landscaping just real quick since we're talking about incentives now I was just looking in here there's a Center for mobile homes now no not really we don't need that really what we I'm just since we're here I know we're talking I know we will only pay attack but you know I guess it'll be we don't enforce that I know that we're trying to push different house I know that it is affordable housing is where we are with the surplus what's the goal do we do we need more yeah I don't know the answers to that I think that would be something we would wrap up into the bigger look if you will there there is a lot of that zoned across its I would say no absolutely no incentive incentive for that cm when's the last time somebody we're not I mean you just probably buy right permitted you don't see them because we got a lot of well I think

one's a complaint I get the most complaints about our mobile homes that they have to pay the fees at all cuz they you know for whatever reason people to buy and sell mobile homes don't build in wait wait don't say you just asking there is no reason to incentivize a mobile home I can't find what I want to say off top of my head but I just like that who I mean so I've heard from too what would you like us how do you see you have a manufacturer at home and you have a mobile home which are two separate mobile homes how about mobile home again I'm just good to see a maybe maybe we need to maybe that's the kind of housing and what more why don't we just what we're seniors I'd like to see you kind of so that sounds like make it make sure we look at that as part of our completely analysis because otherwise there's more questions than just we can deal with well that's what I'm saying veterans and because like you're you're 55 it up communities which is that Commissioner oakley's district which is the majority in mind a little bit 55 enough communities you'll need to be incentivizing those I wouldn't set advice for your low income if you're doing but I love your Nissenbaum are all right now there's one already coming in well he's gonna bring it back to see what those numbers are yeah I'm Commissioner Mariana good catch Johnny project for let's say affordable housing where you get sees that hey let's save money they get cash but they don't have a lot of income and if they go into an apartment it's kind of tough to do all the all the big money it takes to finding those together all the time does anybody doing like a townhome project maybe just for seniors where they committed where they can pay cash for art and then just like a condominium or a townhome type thing we're just small monthly fees to maintain it themselves so how does the big expense to bring it up front no that sounds to me like even something that would be shared equity or like a Land Trust I wish Mary I think it more of an age-restricted talent communities my mother was probably getting around 20 grand a year she's not renting a place where she's spending about 1,500 old it's like how many other seniors alike that what now their stress on my mom right so it's like if we looked at something like that or cuz if there was a project out there like that it had been built somewhere I wouldn't mind taking a look at that we have the populations aging in Pasco County you know this so yeah what about a bad idea yeah that's what I heard which is make it part of the big look up look what what is our info I mean we can kind of talk about but we actually permitted last year okay you mean in eighteen months from now twelve to eighteen months hopefully I can get it up to I was ready but part must say it take them out right now well I just don't can I just think anything we don't know what the numbers are zero bisous I get that but if mobile home you know I would think that's be curious on

what the Rena you know I mean what the rent is with mobile homes in Pasco how many seniors or young adults I don't so I'm almost 20 percent of our housing stock is mom's interesting yeah and over in Zephyrhills you don't see them approving any new mobile home parks but you see single loss like Bette Mars for lease lot but they put mobile homes on it so it wouldn't be a difference there anyway because it replacing the units are there so we had to be kind of same Schwarzer okay yes thank you thank you [Music] you [Music]