02.18.20 Pasco BOCC Meeting - Morning

[Music] good morning everyone I would like to call to order the Pasco County Board of County Commissioners meeting up February 18 2020 and I would like to remind everyone to please silence electronic devices at this time I would like to ask you to all please rise for the invocation and pledge madam Clerk Oh merciful creator your hand is open wide to satisfy the needs of every living creature make us thankful for your loving Providence and grant that we remembering the account that we must one day give and maybe faithful stewards of your good gifts amen [Music]

madam clerk can you please call the roll district one Commissioner Oakley here district three Commissioner Starkey district four Commissioner Wells here district five Commissioner Mariano district two chairman Warren just for the record chairman Ward did call and text he he's got the flu 103 temperature so he's home in bed he would like to be here but he apologize but we're glad he's not so he's not getting us sick so now is the time for public comment citizens are given an opportunity to comment on any item coming before the board during this public comment section the board also takes public comment on items to be placed on future board agenda or other business under their purview public comment for public hearing items will be taken this afternoon they're an individual public hearings starting at 1:30 it is requested that when you address the board that comments are not directed personally against a commissioner or a team member but rather directed at the issues this provides mutual respect between the board members and the public individuals speaking during public comment will be given three minutes to speak after stating your name and address for the clerk the timer located on the podium will start a countdown after two minutes one beep will sound and a light on the timer will change from green to yellow letting you know that only one minute remains after the time is up two beeps will sound the light on the timer will change from yellow to red indicating that three minutes are up and you should close your comments madam clerk okay we have multiple people signed up today to speak during public comment I'm gonna call first for names if you could line up at the podium bruce Bogner judy richards patricia higgins and william fuller mr. bob knockers I am ready that Bruce bogan are of 36:30 Bradford driving holiday I would like to know how people can buy a house in the neighborhood and open up a slaughterhouse in a church next door to me we have been dealing with this since May and it's absolutely ridiculous I don't have nothing against anybody's religious practices me personally I have none I don't want to hear what's going on next door to me and all that stuff especially with the animals being slaughtered I hear it through my house through my windows you know even with the windows closed we can hear this inside our home and nobody's doing nothing about this and you know that's basically all I have to say we've had the Sheriff's Department involved with this Health Department doesn't want to do anything about this and I'm watching all this stuff on my video cameras my cameras have been there before they moved in they do it right in front of my cameras dumping blood all over the place in the backyard you know I watched them dump bloody water all over this is gonna cause a major problem in the neighborhood and I you know I don't know I'm at my ends here Michener's they have a neighbor that practices Santeria or a form of Santeria and unfortunately their

religion is protected by the US Constitution and we've looked at this and it's Christie Sims down here today so if you go around back and leave your name with my executive assistant in the back there we'll we'll get together with your neighbors and explain what our options are but they're very limited unfortunately religion is protected I don't understand how that's allowed I really don't in an residence I agree 100% so maybe maybe we'll try another angle so I can't imagine what it's like to live there I really can't yeah her name is Morgan here my assistant Danny will take you back yeah name and address for the record please Judi Richards 21:23 Hilo Drive Lake Connelly holiday Florida before I begin I know I'm not supposed to you name use names but I would like to thank Commissioner Sparky mr. Caldwell who came to our board meeting last February and wasn't going to be in the process of helping us out with our issue last year we brought to their attention with a full house on the permanent repaired needs of the roads Rose lawn and bonito the process was told that we had to have it determined first to become a tax collectors road which has been determined and after that the road would be beacon would be considered to be repaired permanently because there's been only potholes filled in here and there since then for several months I have sent several emails to different department heads and all I get as a response is we are on the list I don't know what list we're on but we're trying to find out I guess the bottom line today and I'm not going to finish reading my speech because it's too long was where are we on the list or we number a thousand of 5,000 what's the process how much money is in the budget for these repairs the potholes are getting bigger they randomly are filled they're not all filled in at one time I don't know who determines which hole is bigger than one than the other there's kids on that road so we're swerving to not hit the children but then you got to hit a car people have lost their hubcaps on those roads and we just really would like to know where do we stand on this list can you tell me that and and how much money is allocated for these repairs I know a lot of people don't understand when you become a tax collectors Road there's a certain money allocate how much money is allocated in the annual budget because I tried to find that answer out I think it was two weeks ago you were in a meeting up in Tallahassee no one was available to speak to me and nobody seems to be able to tell me but yeah I went to an RV park over here off a little Road Orchard Lake I believe it was and they have a road that's completely fixed and it just happened like last week well we have a hole come to communities that need those roads repaired and nothing is happening I don't see our person here they are okay if you go out back they right there they can help you with some of the information he was at the meeting okay

thank you oh he's in charge of that and that road is really in bad shape good morning and it's good to see a lot of people here today my name is Patricia Higgins and I live at 15 400 Bermondsey Street the drug capital of the world we have an ongoing problem with drug dealers making crack houses methamphetamine being cooked and nothing is done people living in sheds next to us there's five buildings and the property next to us that had been added I don't know we had to pay them or five four thousand fifty dollars for a permit to put a ten-by-ten shed why are these going in with no permits I don't understand the people living in them it says right there that you're supposed to have one resident per building lot well they've got four sheds with people coming out of them and they're druggie and there was a shooting there and this last month there was a shooting on Vermont C Street an innocent person who was actually fairly good neighbor was coming out to go to work at six o'clock in the morning and he was shot in the leg from a drug deal gone bad of course this wasn't in the media because they don't want to cover anything like that unless somebody was killed that's what I was told they're speeding on the street terrible if I went out there now you saw this man got killed because the guy just wanted to see how it felt to kill somebody well what about my husband he's a veteran too he's going to be crossing that road and one of these idiots is gonna come down and run him down or me I can't even ride my scooter out on the road I like to see things beside the inside of the house but I don't dare to go out there because they head right for you and there's no patrolling if we call and make a complaint you may see an officer drive by but otherwise after that it's all forgotten it's been going on between that and Carrie Lane I've lived there for probably 15 16 years but anyways you got mr. bum stupid still going strong building a porch with no permit I'm a trailer that came in there years ago when no per bidding he's built buildings with no permits he's ruining up her little road with the mess he's got they're old school buses sitting out there they haven't been used in four years why do you think they're going to use them he'll give you a lie and you accept it this is ridiculous it's getting to the point where I just have one thing to say we need to do something about the complaints that are being if a lowlife drug dealer called calls on us they're right there nothing is done and to them for these unfounded reports but still we're they could come on our property but mr. bum stupid has fences and he's not he's exempt from that I don't understand we had fences to line caringly but it didn't stop him from coming in and finding us for stuff that was done before we even moved in okay thank you ma'am mr. chairman yes sir can I recommend you meet with Chase and Micah in the back okay thank you

thank you chase is with the Sheriff's Department so the next people signed up after mr. fuller is Diana Coburn ich john Seibert mike d san Bree yes my name is William fuller at 15 400 romaji Street Hudson Florida my wife I said just about all of it but I have one more thing to add to it this Bruce Bumstead is cutting down trees down there long Carrie Lane he's clearing out all the trees there was something he hasn't permit for any of them and I went out the other day and this one guy I was going across over to see my daughter he drives his pickup he swerved and almost had me going across the road and you called the cops or sheriff's anybody nothing's done about it it's like they just don't give in to her and they don't want to get out of the car then under the job if they start patrolling the area and doing their job maybe something be done around here but do we have to take the law into our own hands and think I mean I'm a Vietnam that if I got to I'll take it in my own hands I'm not disrespecting anybody but something's got to be done before somebody else's shot or somebody else is killed thank you have a great day thank you sir my name is Diane Kopernik 5001 South Shore member of Gulf harbors united commissioners I urge you to vote in favor of our two that you will be hearing today this amendment to chapter 42 is long overdue many of your law-abiding responsible constituents are subjected to inconsiderate owners voting in favor of this amendment will help your constituents hold these inconsiderate owners accountable I would like to recommend you of your I would like to remind you of your strategic goal of your code violation ordinance was and I quote provide the highest quality of service and assure fair equal and compassionate enforcement to protect the public's health safety and welfare of the citizens of Pasco County junk debris overgrown grass bush weeds undergrowth harbors breeding grounds snakes rodents insects and creates a fire hazard to those directly adjacent to these lands it has been said that some owners have no money to maintain their land such as the funk off courses this opinion is favoring these inconsiderate property owners and subjecting many other property owners to the consequences any other property owner that allows their property to become a public safety concern is subject to the county codes enforcement I would like also to ask you to review an update the process for code enforcement be applied the same across the board for all code violations and it not need not take almost a year before prosecution of overgrowth violations Florida statue one twenty five point sixty nine allows the county to prosecute repeat offenders more harshly with higher penalties and I suggest the Board considers applying this statue again I urge you to vote in favor of this amendment this will start the process of being fair and equitable your law-abiding constituents will thank you for this thank you for your attention thank you

good morning commissioners my name is John sy Bart my wife and I live in the Estates which is located off Hudson Avenue a little road the Estates is intertwined with the Lynx golf course the Lynx golf course is the reason that I'm here today I was also here the last meeting that you had concerning defunct golf courses I brought a contingent of people so rather than have everyone speak can everybody just raise their hand if you're involved with with this issue the issue is not just the estate's its it's a total of five communities that are bordering or intertwined with the Lynx golf course as you know there has been increase of golf course closures throughout the county in the country this area in the western district has four groups as I just mentioned there was well over a thousand units that could be involved I have to thank mr. Mariano for coming to our last board meeting to discuss these issues the urgent concern is the safety and welfare of the community especially the homes that are bounding the Lynx golf course the present ordinance requires that the golf course cut around the perimeter what we're looking for is to have the entire course mowed and that could be done with a modification to the existing ordinance which is already in draft form there's vermin snakes coyotes I'm told hogs I haven't seen any hogs but there's there's issues that these vermin now are going to infest a our community also standing water standing water is really attractive for mosquitoes second second concern we purchased in a golf course community and paid premium prices for our homes abandoned course in signs of closure will reduce our value the owner of the Golf Course has decided that he wants to convert now he wants to convert the golf course into a tree farm and has just completed the planting of cedar trees on the entire course including our detention ponds which are used for stormwater management these trees are really our third concern but the point is how does a property owner just go ahead and say I'm going to convert my Golf Course into a tree farm just as he did with allowing a business to take over his cart barn now there's a business that repairs and sells golf carts which I know Court and code enforcement has come out and cited them which was which was great what we're looking to do is is just get the county on board and hopefully we can get this ordinance in place that would require not just the links but any Golf Course in the area that decides to close that they're going to have to take care of it because there's people that are impacted by these closures so again thank you for your time and hopefully this ordinance gets modified thank you thank you mr. sybert wait I need his address for the record I'm sorry eight eight eight three four PO Drive and Hudson thank you up on the screen that was a picture of the people that were at the meeting as well but put their here recognize some of them in the picture yeah I was gonna say thank you sir following the next speaker we have a

Susan is it bugler Justin gribbit gribbit and Diane Harris followed by Stephen twist please state your name and address for the record sir yes good morning my name is Michael Desiree and I reside at 1-3 931 King Avenue in Hudson Florida I have two items I'd like to speak to today one is on the agenda this afternoon is that appropriate for this morning's discussion or should I wait until that you can either bring it up now or you can bring it up then so if you're not gonna be here I would say bring it now as I do I'll bring it up now and history you want your comments heard during consider during the during the item they need to be made during the public hearing item okay I will defer that till this afternoon the other item I don't want to speak to was the establishment of an aquatic preserve in the coastal lands that are under water to our west I'm the vice president of the Hudson fishing club our coastline is in that natural treasure supporting our way of life in Pasco County I'd like to go on record as asking the Pasco County for support and establish an aquatic preserve along our nature coast this bill advocates for the maintenance and improvement of Florida's most valuable resource our water I have here a letter in support of this aquatic reserve assigned by nine different organizations I'd like to live to receive favor so I request to review that that letter but I'm going to give you some information about the organizations that have indeed sign that letter the International Game Fish Association which is a nonprofit organization one of the world's leading authorities on game fishing while promoting ethical angling practices wild oceans whose mission is to preserve fishing opportunities for the future National Marine Manufacturers Association which is a leading organization dedicated to the strong marine manufacturing and supporting a boating lifestyle anglers Action Foundation which is dedicated to improving the waters through research conservation and education the coastal insert Conservation Association of Florida otherwise known as CCA dedicated to good stewardship of our coastal resources an average vote group a manufacturing group including Pathfinder maverick Hughes and cobia votes jim's gifts a builder of light weights gifts captain's for clean water a grassroots organization providing solutions to maintaining Florida waterways and our way of life and lastly the American sporting fish Association who passionately represents the people the with policies and ideas to help recreational fishing thrive in our area each of these organizations has established the Aquatic a sport for the aquatic preserve because of its essential tool excuse me keeping our marine environment healthy most importantly the AAP supports national public use including recreational fishing boating swimming these are all activities that are a way of life for our citizens and our

businesses our County enjoys some of the cleanest water in Florida making Pasco County a mecca of tourism for dead hopefully for generations to come let's keep it that way in establishing a net the Nature Coast aquatic preserve thank you sir thank you please state your name and address for the record my name is Susan bugler I live at six four two four Yvette Drive I owned a business at one to five three six US Highway 19 is the out parcel of Walmart in Hudson and I'd like to address you on the aquatic preserve also as a business owner there's been a moratorium on fishing we haven't been allowed to keep any of the species of fish that are in sure for a long time because of the red tide and that's hurt a lot of the business owners as far as boating industry trailer industries and whatnot the Aquatic preserve bill that was up in Tallahassee recently is in support of myself and several of the local business owners that are in my area as well as my customers I've talked to hundreds of people about this and they're all in support of it you have to realize we live in a really unique area where seagrass is of the most importance there's nowhere in Florida where you're going to see thousands and thousands of acres of seagrass if we don't preserve this now it's going to become a problem like other waterways in Florida this doesn't affect canals or the rivers or anything else and Pinellas has had an aquatic preserve for over 30 years and they're supporting millions of people and their water has become cleaner in that area Tampa Bay's spent millions and millions of dollars to clean up Tampa Bay and I don't want to get to that part where we have to start spending money an ounce of prevention is what we need to do at this point there there used to be scallops all the way from Palm Beach up through the Panhandle and now there is nothing like that because the waterways have been destroyed so I'd like to ask the commissioners to look at this bill for the aquatic preserve you know it's not going to interfere with any progress in our area you can still build docks and you can still build developments in the area you can still build sea walls commercial fishings not affected shrimping is not affected as sandbars are still accessible canals can still be cleaned out if necessary you know with this with span we've had on fishing you know the money stone so we've got to do something to protect our future there's also federal grant programs and money that is accessible to our County through this grant through this program this bill you can have education for children boaters replanting of seagrass if necessary marker signs to direct them off the seagrass beds you know it's very expensive to restore water and in an area like ours where the water is so clean we need to step up and do something before it becomes like the lagoon areas or you know nobody wants to get in their boat and go step out in green algae so when you have someone watching it a grant program that's going to be watching our waters and testing it

this is one of the most important things that's come in our area thank you ma'am if I could I don't know can you give me your business name I just curious it was on the list of folks who are in favor of it beforehand cuz we we're all up to speed on it and online trailers it's the out parcel of Walmart and 1 to 5 I know yeah you know I talked to everybody in the boating industry everybody in the fishing industry nobody's going out there fishing if you can't keep fish cuz the red tide so we don't want anything else to happen in our area you name an address for the record sir my name is Justin Gris I'm from Fort Lauderdale Florida good morning commissioners I'd like to thank you for giving me this opportunity to speak my name is dr. Justin cribbage I'm a native Floridian and I'm here on behalf of Pew Charitable Trusts I actually grew up here in Pasco County my grandmother lived on State Road 54 and I did some of my dissertation research here in Hudson and off the tank loci so I'm a native Floridian I'm a avid angler I just want to take this opportunity for to support the legislation that's going through on the Nature Coast aquatic preserve and correct a few misperceptions about what the APS are first of all I like to say you guys have one of the most special places here on the Gulf of Mexico you have these largest seagrass meadow in the Gulf of Mexico the second largest in the continental United States some 400,000 acres of the cleanest water and best seagrass that is left in Florida as the previous speaker noted she's kind of really up on up on how aquatic preserves help maintain and preserve those types of things healthy seagrass is the backbone of your coastal community here and so it's important that we maintain that for future generations I'm not going to go into she covered most of the bases on what ApS do and then the three main points are it provides mapping and monitoring to make sure it stays that way it provides opportunities for community engagement to steward their resources here that are really important to them it provides student research educational opportunities for everywhere from primary and middle school to high school and even college to learn about their valuable resources here it also provides federal funding and state funding to maintain it to improve its utility and to if ever needed to restore it to its former outstanding qualities the other things I'd like to clear up are the misconceptions on what the legislation is doing the boundaries of the AP extent from the westernmost Coast lines out to nine nautical miles it does not go into any inland rivers or tributaries artificial waterways or canals it does not cover any of that secondly there are no restrictions as she mentioned there are no restrictions on recreational fishing there are no restrictions on commercial fishing there are no restrictions on any boating activities whatsoever sandbar a mix and also maintaining navigational channels is actually not prohibited in

within the AP so all those things are met because what if one of the primary purposes of an aquatic reserve is utility and access for the public interest so it's our resources to so that we can use them and it's made to make sure that we continue that so I would encourage the the Commission to continue dialoguing with represent masuleh who's forwarding this legislation through in Tallahassee and thank you for you sir I do need your address for the record though two five one nine Key Largo Lane Fort Lauderdale Florida not for much longer than I'm actually planning on moving back and him is Stephen twist 85 46 billion drive Hudson Florida and I have a question I don't know this is the right time to ask the question but this is in regards to mr. Loehmann's of course being maintained and what I want to know is that if in fact the board buck votes today that he must keep the golf course bowed does that pertain to every single abandoned golf course in Pasco County or any future closings for any other golf course that's my close I say we normally don't take aunts answer questions but I know we've done a couple times so maybe the Jeff could answer quickly concerning what if an ordinance is adopted which is not what is before them today okay it it would require any improved property to be maintained pursuant to the ordinance so no County wise yeah that would be good anyway and the other question was is that if the land being that he planted these rare trees that are protected what would happen if he wanted to convert the land to conversion you know the conservation because under federal law any conservation land is untouchable or just has to stay in this natural state prepared to answer that but I can assure you that you know this is the first step today is have a conversation about it then a public hearings to get to the next step so those kind of things will be taken and a consideration I know a lot of emails I understand that you know I lived there and you know I'm for absolutely it protects our property values for sure you know well anyway I go what Arizona's like I get the flight okay thank you all right so I have four people left that have signed up Diane Harris Diane Finney Ken Dabbs and Dominic's Cannavino you could please line up in the order Diane Harris Diane Finney Ken dabs Dominic's Cannavino so I'm called Diane Harris three times are you Miss Harris or no so you're Diane Finney please step up to the podium and state your name and address for the record I assume miss Harris has left good morning my name is Diane Finney I live at 6400 Kathleen Drive Hudson Florida my concern again here before the Commission is is the sea wall issue the house that I live in we have been in here it's been in the family since 1968 back then people took pride in their properties my husband and I Dave have lived here since 2001 and at that time all the sea worlds were up in intact these sea walls are now 52 years old prior we had renters and we maintained our property for the good of

the community the wall at 6404 Kathleen Drive started deteriorating about two and a half to three years ago now we have no wall the property the dirt is now eroding into the canal we had to put in a new seawall two and a half years later because of the old seawall eroding we are now losing the dirt on the east side of our property and our seawall is now being compromised once again we have boats that do not follow the no way clause which in turn causes the erosion to be more extent I am in my 60s my husband's in the 70s we should not have to be stressing about this matter but we are we do not need nor do we want to be getting in touch with County with these problems all the time we understand we stand in our backyard loving the view until we go to our seawall look to the left and what do we see our land is sloping into the canals we have been dealing with this sea wall issue for years we have attended meetings after meetings sending emails pictures to Commissioners concerning this matter I would appreciate if the amendment could be changed for the property owners to maintain or replace they have fallen decaying sea walls this is a beautiful water community but if the laws are not fixed to keep these waterways beautiful it's not going to be and I would like to thank code enforcement for coming down and taking care of the issues but we've had them it's it's falling in this is not and we've had 60 other sea walls replaced in this area I mean people care about where they live but if you saw at that seawall area and look out and it's all eroding it's gone back four feet you wouldn't want it you wouldn't want it next to you and stuff like that so all I'm saying I know I was here in April and something was passed but I don't know if it was passed correctly or whatever but they have to maintain these they're 52 years old these walls and they're coming down in unless something's taken care of this place is gonna be a mess with everything and I know this property supposedly we keep saying is sold they're gonna put a new seawall up but I've been hearing this for almost three to four years now so so I just want to thank you and if something could be done on this issue Diane I've got I've got the pitchers they're not coming up but I'm gonna cover it under committee reports anyway so they're so the county will the commissioners will see the picture later a little bit later on sorry for the technical difficulties okay that's all right because if you once you see these pictures and see what is happening I mean we had a new seawall had to be put up because this one came down and now our new ones being compromised because of the erosion and I don't think it's fair to people to have to do this you know we're not rich people but we love our property thank you thank you mister dab state your name and address for the record please cam dabs 46:17 flora mark terrace a new port richey I'm here in support of item r2 the changes to chapter 42 for four golf courses and other other properties I do

have one concern with that that with the definitions the definition for affected properties says you have to abut that particular property I'm sorry but I had a house four houses down from one of my rentals with grass three feet high that was owned by a trust I sent the trust of a letter to a post-office box which never replied I think that needs to be expanded to cover affected properties to me or all properties that are within a quarter mile of that if you live on that Street it's affecting your property value my letters after 10 years wanted to move because I couldn't do anything about a house four doors down so I think we need to change that definition other than that I kind of like that the next item is I attended the restore at meeting and I left there extremely frustrated we had as these folks have talked about I know more about the Aquatic preserve sb 1061 and and/or its hb2 1061 right sb 1042 I still can't make sense out of those but to go to a restore act meeting and have Commissioner Mariano commissioner Starkey sitting there trying to determine what's going on why are we spending all this money on dredging we don't even know what we can and cannot do yet let's figure out what we can do let's set up an actual scope so we don't leave places out like the leisure leisure beach was left out of the the new study slow things down yeah damn right you're spending my money if you're gonna spend my money I want you to do it right just slow down get it right because what was it the last meeting you were all sitting up here talking about those two bills in the aquatic preserve and nobody knew what was going on and you were gonna have to get Ralph on the phone what we have here as Strother Martin said - was it Paul Newman and Cool Hand Luke what we have here is a failure to communicate you know I have amber Mariano I had Hooper sitting up there if they're not communicating with you you need to get on them believe me I'm going home and get on them thank you sir sir please state your name and address for the record thank you good morning my name is Dominic's Cannavino 6040 Riviera Lane New Port Richey Florida first I'd like to thank County Commission for doing a job that I guess I feel has been well done you folks have worked enormous hours spent a much time to preserve our community in our beautiful County and I thank you for that as you know I'm here on behalf of the Council of neighborhood associations Kona as its acronym and also on behalf of the estates at beacon woods property owners association the estates is a member of the Council of neighborhood associations and back in June asked me if I would help them in their plight with regard to this closed and abandoned golf course that's adjacent to their property and of course at the same time we found that there's so many other golf courses that have closed because of various reasons typically monetary ones but on the same token they've been left abandoned and in some cases they've been very successful

in redeveloping it to a golf course and in other cases has just been left abandoned I feel that that's absolutely a horrible scenario for these communities especially those that have paid premium dollars in order to live in this type of beautiful community this abandoned course is a horrible situation it's from what was a very beautiful area is now an abandoned vacant lot which doesn't help the community and I'm asking this County Commission in support of the recommend and ordinance to maintain these courses at a minimum hopefully there'll be an opportunity to negotiate and do other things to either redevelop and certainly bring this back to the way it was but in the meantime it needs to be maintained and I thank you for your time no clapping sorry okay that's everyone we had on the list if anybody else would like to speak please come forward all the children that comes I'd just like to thank Dominic publicly if there's been such a phenomenal leader for the community so Thank You Dominic good morning sir name and address for the record my name is Bruce Bumstead not bum stupid like it's cold one five three two for Carrie lane okay and my hair story here is about Carrie Lane Carrie Lane was established in 1956 the homeowners association went bankrupt in 1970s I moved to Carrie Lane in 1987 when it was the first a dirt trail that my mother had to run sprinklers to get home due to the road with sugar sand we paid the taxes on the road and tried to get the county roadway to a proper to a county standards all other property owners refused the cost at that time was $85,000 I now own half the Lots on Carrie Lane I purchased Carrie Lane in 2007 for tax receipts in 2001 I bought lot 107 and in 2003 I bought lot 103 both properties were covered in glass garbage and other debris I put a house on lot 103 in 2008 and in 2014 I bought lot 90 a one-owner property since 1946 the property was overgrown as well and covered in junk it has taken years of back-breaking work to clean up the property and get it to where it is now I bought a lot of 103 in 99 for my mother and I have been taking care of Carrie Lane ever since I moved here in 1987 after buying Road 19 in 2007 I put more effort into Street creating drainage and stormwater on the sides of the roads lot 103 that I live on is the lowest street the lowest parcel on the street and all the water runs to it I have been flooding since 1987 and I have since purchased lot 90 and made plans for water to go through that's the bumps that driveway project that I've been trying to do for three years I have been stopped by the county for almost three years and I have now spent $18,000 and surveys and engineers and right away use I have been trying to get an excavation permit for almost 30 months the county does not make it easy to obtain a permit I have FDP exemptions already and now hired a private permanent person to receive my permits I have tried to get my district commissioner come see in person and have meetings

with my commissioner only to get cancelled last minute I have had fire department Public Works paving assessments but no commissioner I live in an area that is surrounded by run-down places most least the 1970 trailers as for my street it is covered with road mailings and mugged by myself as well as the county retention pond and sides of Bolton Avenue West upper Muncie and East a little road my property is a total of 8 point 8 acres is also maintained to almost a park-like setting I have been scrutinized and selectively enforced for a very long time my road is very passable and no one is landlocked most other property owners will not even help with the financial burden to keep up the street and as far as the accusations of taking trees down in the property I haven't had artists come out and are breast has told me honey Turkey Oaks Silk Oaks or cherry laurels I can take down without a permit I have cleared all in out I have nothing but live oaks on the property almost and my property is the nicest kept is a parcel in the area so you know that's very disconcerning to hear the people to bad-mouth and you know talk stuff about the property that I keep that's what I have to say thank you sir mr. chairman just for the record the County Turner's office told me not to meet with him because the litigation was going on morning sir hi my name is Mitchell Coburn ik 5001 south shore in gulf harbors i just want to make a general comment i guess about the process of public a public comment very often when an item is being brought before the commission for a vote staff will prepare very detailed and informative analysis and information and make a presentation to the Commission and to all those present and very often those who those will raise questions or raise comments of people who took the trouble to be in attendance here in person but the public comment is scheduled before those presentations so the people here in attendance don't have the opportunity to take advantage of all of these useful information that's being presented by staff when they make their comment so I'd respectfully like to make a suggestion that in cases where staff is making a presentation that public comment be held after the presentation rather than before so that these people in attendance can take into account what's been said and it may affect what they want to say before this board good example is r2 which is coming up before you I'm in favor of that so I'll cast my vote for that but if staff is going to be making a presentation I'd like to hear it first I would like to hear what they have to say as it may raise other questions so that's my suggestion and observation thank you very much thank you come forward to the podium please state your name and address for the record please john erick jr. 8826 Poe Drive Hudson Florida and the estate's mr. Mariano's district I know a lot of you all here personally this is hard but I moved into an area that I found that I

classroom newspapers companion materials and instructional support now therefore be it resolved by the Board of County Commissioners of Pasco County Florida that said board hereby declares March 2nd through March 6 to 2020 as newspaper in Education Week in Pasco County and commends the Tampa Bay Times newspaper for its participation in this program done and resolved in regular session with a quorum present and voting this 18th day of February 2020 second Oh in favor aye motion passes thank you you want to say a couple words and then we'll come down and get a picture commissioners thank you so much for recognizing newspaper and Education Week our mission is to grow lifelong readers engaged and inform citizens and we really appreciate your support thank you if we can come down and get a picture commissioners I'd appreciate it [Music] Danny work whatever you ready ma'am rate is mr. James cron here is he present did I pronounce his name correctly did I pronounce your name correctly sir resolution number 20 - zero seven nine a resolution by the Board of County Commissioners of Pasco County Florida commending James cron for twenty years of dedication to Pasco County and congratulating him on his retirement whereas James cron was sorry has served Pasco County Public Works and the public infrastructure branch with the highest level of integrity and professionalism as a public works engineer inspector he started his career with Pasco County on January 2nd 2021 I'm sorry 2001 an res during his time with Public Works as the engineering inspector james established an enforcement program for the county's stormwater regulations this was critical as enforcement of the environmental regulations were essential to the county avoiding fines and penalties by state and or federal agencies responsible for monitoring the county's national pollutant discharge elimination system permit an R as James took the initiative to integrate stormwater enforcement into the county's Code of Ordinances he met with the county attorney's office to determine the requirements for enforcement to learn the court process and to develop the forms and standard operation procedures necessary for the stormwater management personnel to address violations an R as James expanded his efforts to address illegal dumping which saved the county significant cleanup cost as a result of his expertise and involvement he was invited to join the environmental crimes task force and the Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office code enforcement Homeland Security environmental crimes Task Force when as James dedicated himself to moving forward with implementation and improving the enforcement procedures as well as creating electronic forms and developing a paperless method for storing and sharing information with the County Attorney's Office an res James has resolved thousands of cases responded to

hundreds of emails and phone requests and has spent countless hours revising the county's ordinances and other legal documents to achieve the county's goals and res on December 31st 2019 James officially retired from Pasco County and will be missed by his co-workers and colleagues as a leader mentor and friend now therefore be it resolved by the Board of County Commissioners Pasco County Florida that said board hereby commence James cron for twenty years of faithful dedicated service to the citizens of Pasco County congratulating him on his retirement and wishes him all the best in his future endeavors done and resolved in regular session with a quorum present and voting this 18th day of February 20 2011 normal retirement retirements agreeing with you it is I want to say it was an absolute honor to work with you when I first got elected we had all the Hurricanes that came through and all the storm waters we had to go deal with and we were dealing from hotels to neighborhoods etc and your your excellence in your job was always outstanding and you're also a great person to hang around with you actually ran a softball team that would stormwater let me let me play in the team to which I greatly appreciate it but your career has been phenomenal I just can't thank you enough you've helped us elevate our game and stormwater that I think we're a very well-respected area instead of being looked at differently from the federal agencies and state agencies we're looking at a much higher level so I give you a lot a lot of the credit so thank you for a great service thank you like to say a few words well let me come down with that I didn't get rather than without support from commissioners and the people that I work with and the attorney's office in particular when we had to create these ordinances had a lot of support this closes the final chapter in my Believe It or Not 46 years of public service I retired from up in Maryland 25 years but the six largest water sewer stormwater system or a utility in the United States two years for the police department and the only regret that I have here is getting into the drop program to see had I have known why knew we were going to get a new County illustrator which that had no bearing while meeting into the drop and I have known that we would have had a new director in Public Works an assistant director and a third person her initials are lb they have the same vision that I had and how do I knew we were gonna have those three here I would have probably stayed another three to five years so that's the only regret that I have it's been a pleasure gotten to know most of you all and God bless Pasco County and God bless the USA you can take that year off and come back if you have some team members here as well I got some team members here bring them up to it's all gonna our pitcher bring Public Works up that's my sweet [Music]

okay for our next resolution if anyone is here for the Pasco County Animal Services if you oppose that's gonna be read with r5 r5 okay it was not instructed at thank you all right so rs4 there's anyone here in regards to foreigners practicum program dr. Ellen Bush okay great resolution number 20 - zero eight zero resolution by the Board of County Commissioners of Pasco County Florida commending dr. Allen Bush of the University of South Florida for establishing the resilience honors practicum program and acknowledging the importance of collaborating with the University of South Florida's resilience honors practicum program and for providing student volunteers and recognizing Shelby noble in Charles Nyberg for their research and findings relative to the resilience in local government whereas the collaboration between Pasco County's long-range planning division and the University of South Florida USF Judy Grande shaft honors a college resilience practicum program provides opportunities to student volunteers to advance their understanding of resilience planning through a community engaged research and as dr. Ellen Bush of the University of South Florida's Judy Grant the gen shift Honors College established the resilience practicum program andraz this program provides opportunities for student volunteers to develop strategic planning practices that address challenges to resilience focusing on both generalized and specify and specifically specified hazard mitigating michigan mitigation an res Pasco County's long-range planning division utilized two student volunteers as part of its 2019 fall resiliency practicum program to assess the resilience of Pasco County and apply resilience thinking to describe and explain resilience challenges and whereas using Pasco County as a case study to identify the resilience of local government and assess the level of resilience in Pasco County student volunteers Shelby Noble and Charles Nyberg have been instrumental in researching the resilience of Pasco County through resilience planning strategies such as identifying complex systems assessing the roles of institutions government and leadership and now therefore be it resolved by the Board of County Commissioners of Pasco County Florida that said board hereby commence dr. Ellen Bush of the University of South Florida's Judy Grande shaft honors college for establishing the resilience practicum program and recognize Shelby noble and Charles Nyberg for their assistance in research billions of Pasco County Denton resolved in regular session with a quorum present and voting this 18th day of February 2020 second all in favor motion carries did we get to see the work great thing well yeah dr. Busch Shelby and the shelves which maybe like to speak an addressable a little bit commissionaires good morning on behalf of the Judy Genshaft

Honors College thank you for giving us the opportunity to come and address you just two quick things to say one's really amount of gratitude for the many relationships and make this possible all the other pieces about community resilience that really community resilience at its heart is about relationships and that those relationships set up so much of the work of resilience that really matters I hear so many of the things you have to address in a day have this urgency and importance to them and it's easy to to get swept under the rug the things that in the long run will be important and in 2050 when we're all in a resilient Pasco County it will be easy to know which relationships in which investments of our time were the ones that really made that possible but in the mean time it takes risk to build relationships and it takes risk to take the time in order to set up the things that really make this work possible and so first I want honor in the leadership of your staff to step forward and be willing to participate and work on these issues not just within the resilience practicum but also at the Tampa Bay Regional Planning Council and other forums of my students their central role in helping to set up the work that we did with Pasco County and in all of you for backing them up that matters so thank you what a poppet Rose would you like to say a few words I just wanted to thank the commissioners and the county I've lived here my whole life and so getting to work in local government specifically in our County and to work on resiliency and see how there are a lot of things we're doing well and so that was really great to see and being able to work what and Mary Helen it was a great experience and opportunity I just want to thank all of you so thank you the same sentiment I did not live here my whole life I'm from Broward County so being able to come into a different local government and see how you guys work in your openness to things that are passionate that I'm very passionate about that I want to do as a career was really really profound and I just want to say thank you to in the American dr. Bush for allowing us to have the opportunity to really take this project where we wanted to and to actually see the development of our work through an entire semester so thank you guys for your support appreciate it [Applause] back up in here [Music] yeah the next order of business is the consent agenda I do have a pull sheet with the following items listed c11 pulling of eyes and c28 pull and discuss or members do you have anything else you'd like to pull from the consent item so you know one move the remain to the consent agenda thank you all in favor opposed motion carries thank you chief Casson good morning sir good morning Scott Kassim Fire Chief Pasco Fire Rescue c11 is a budget amendment and it references a munis Journal number which is correct in your agenda memo however the attachment was incorrect I

provided the correct attachment this morning Thank You c28 I feel real good about it we'll try to put your picture up we had a public hearing there's a picture everybody after the public hearing after staff did a great presentation a little bit of Q&A all the way through and I asked how many people would like to put their hand up to support it and pretty much every hand went up across the board the reason I pulled it was because talking the county attorney I saw the emails went back and forth it was overwhelmingly supportive of the project they want to expand it up and down all the way from Sea Pines all the way down to self a signal Cove but as a my County sir said because I own properties in the area subject to this approval and an abundance of caution I have chosen to recuse myself which I've signed to give to the county attorney where do you own property where did you own property at the end Dell filing resort golf Highlands Resort Delphi own resort okay oh yeah okay so the this golf course approval or golf cart approval would and would serve the land that Commissioner Mariano [Music] I'm not sure whether it is truly a conflict but the statute allows you to recuse yourself if it even appears to be a conflict and there's a lot more to it than just get a golf cart and jump on the road it's got to be street legal you have to register it so it's not like we're just and I got some emails the other way but no I mean I've got a lot of folks I know that live up this way it is would be pretty cool to be on a driving golf cart a lot of them do now too any ways that are extremely likely move approval okay second okay all in favor aye opposed motion carries thank you okay we will move on to regular agenda starting with our one good morning commissioners a mic and a pure Florida Department of Health I appreciate the opportunity to come and speak to you in regards to our hepatitis response my position presentation today will tell you a little bit about HAP a we'll give you a little bit of scope of the outbreak that we were faced with what actions the Health Department took but as importantly what the community partners did with us and the results of those actions what is hepatitis it's a virus it affects the liver it's transmitted through the the virus spreads through feces that are known as poop and the average vernacular and we have that spread when people use personal items that are shared and then unwilling they swallow that virus there is a two shot vaccine process that to prevent the virus and we can't emphasize the importance of hand-washing the combination between vaccine and hand washing does stop the disease what are the symptoms the symptoms that follow a lot of other diseases the one that really sticks out is the jaundice you have nausea fever feeling weak some people have very mild symptoms and just

call it the flu bug or stomach virus and don't realize that they've had it and they resolve themselves but on the other hand many cases are hospitalized and can cause death this slide really here tells you that and it's a little hard to read but I'll just read in 2017 we had four cases for the month and as you can see across that graph that each month we have background of anywheres from one to five cases each month and beginning in late November late 2018 we jumped from nine to seven and then all of a sudden we had 25 and that was an alert that we had statewide there's any as you can see from the where the arrows are a little over six months it was literally the old crap factor and we were we have a staff of four people that worked the epidemiology program and we're used to having four to five cases a month and now we're as many as 75 and in a one month period these cases spread over the period of time and I'll talk a little bit here in just a minute I'll do the heat map where are these cases being found as it shows up and down the nineteen corridor we did have a relatively large amount in Zephyrhills as well pardon yes we did have some cases Inman link as well in in you may add the next slide I want to talk a little bit about the surveillance process epidemiologist in I would be remiss in not recognizing Gert Nicholson Kirk raise your hand up he is the the meat and potatoes behind our epidemiology program and him and his team used the surveillance system Merlin and essence Florida and something that many may not know that the interesting about the thing about the essence Florida is is that it collects the emergency department chief complaint data from hospitals urgent care centers and mortality data for vital statistics in other words when people go into the hospitals and their chief complaint is diarrhea stomach problems jaundice those kinds of things it's collected in a system that then our epidemiologists can go in and say hey we may have an outbreak or we've all of a sudden had five cases 260 cases in a month we are required by the part by Florida Ministry of code to report all these reportable to investigate all these reportable diseases the disease investigation every single case Derek and his team are contacting them following up asking questions getting information everything from their age where they've eaten where they visited a variety of information and we put all that into a database and that's why we're able to look at those heat maps that we showed you we look at information but we're also trying to investigate what are commonalities what are the common features of these individuals that are getting sick and that's where we come up with who's at risk injection in non injection drug users people experiencing unstable housing that's also unstable housing isn't just the homeless that we see but it's also the couchsurfing where people don't have a home but they're staying from family and friends other cases are

also men having sex with men international travelers persons with occupational risks persons with chronic liver disease and purses that come into contact with those infected people I do want to point out though is that if you're don't fall into any of those categories thirty / 7 37 percent of the cases that we identified with hepatitis A didn't have any of these simple and any of these risk factors so these were the predominant risk factors but they weren't the only ones there were some that we just didn't know what were the common factors you know we heard just a few minutes ago a study and recognizing students about community resilience I'm here to stand in front of us be very proud that we have a community resilience in our medical community because the work that we did in resolving our hepatitis outbreak was really about partnering with maybe some of our non-traditional partners hooters wing house winn-dixie and truck parking lock perk church parking lots where locations were we set up based on those heat maps and holiday and up in Hudson where we were able to have out outreach events so we could vaccinate these these individuals who would willing to come we've given out 5,600 Hep A vaccines and all these outreaches having 77 unique partners and venues that we worked with that's not just my Health Department staff that's a variety of partners willing to give up their time and energy to help us with this I do want to give a shout out to the Sheriff's Department we vaccinated in cooperation with the Sheriff's apart over 3,000 individuals and jails to be able to make sure that we have them vaccinated and those are our at-risk population the anticipated cost because we never anticipate an outbreak like this was nearly a quarter of a million dollars in still counting I also want to give a shout out to the fire rescue team they are also working with us to be able to offer those vaccines a while they're out on rescue missions on no not life-threatening this slide here is all about what public health is and what we do if you look at the slide the blue is the the number of cases and the red line orange line is actually the number of vaccines that we put out and as any outbreak you're not typically vaccinating at that rate before you have an outbreak but after you have an outbreak or identified that you have an outbreak this graph shows that as we increased our vaccinations in our community thank goodness eventually the case is reduced and I'm happy to say that jerk just told me this morning we have six cases in 2019 so we're pretty proud of the fact that we're back to almost normal I would like to say that the entire state was that way there's other counties that are not our kind of behind the curve in the sense that I didn't have the outbreak as quick as we did we're hoping that between the vaccinations and the education to the public hand-washing is the number one best way not just to prevent hepatitis A but the flu and any other diseases that are spread from person to person

hand-washing is a single best solution for for preventing illness this slide highlights the number of cases Pasco County had the most cases in the state of Florida you know when you see Pinellas is second right behind us y'all know that they have twice the population that we have but we have more cases stills or incidences were much higher for them as I mentioned for the month of January we only have six cases and we're we're thinking we're on the downhill slide for this lessons learned that it does take a community to be able to resolve I our outbreak that the jail was a huge partner in being able to stem the disease but it also took flexibility nights weekends holidays not only my staff but partners that came out and helped us with this education we had a lot of misinformation I know that there was a lot of media coverage early on and everything from where to get your vaccines to what causes it or where to get it from so you have to stay with a consistent message and stick to where you get the the correct information additionally when you're dealing with the homeless population the lack of trust being able to make sure that we had individuals who trusted us and allowed us the homeless partners were key to that they don't know us but they know those who are out in those shelters or out in the woods and we went out we had foot teams who actually went out and with a little wagon with a cooler and vaccine and we vaccinated anybody that would be willing to be vaccinated let's speak and lastly we'll continue to conduct a monitoring and surveillance there's a lot of things that Garrick and his team do working with the hospital partners that when they have a lab result they're required to go out and investigate we will continue to encourage vaccination and prevention and that's not just for hepatitis A that's I hope everyone's got their flu shot and should get the flu shot every year we are seeking and continue to get guidance our state Surgeon General declared a state of emergency for hepatitis A last year and we continue to monitor that and that helped pull some resources in we get guidance from CDC in the state office and we continue to foster those relationships that we have with our committee partners to help our community we can't prevent becoming ill that's all I have in my presentations any questions any questions from Mike but alarming numbers and that Pasco County was the talk I'm actually just saying an email to fact they asked for suggestions for their annual conference and I'm suggesting maybe we have a breakout to discuss with all the counties hepatitis and I know they have the needle programs down in South Florida and I certainly think that you have something to present to the state on on how to get a handle on this so sending off this recommendation a great job piggyback on that the Sheriff's Office is really looking around the state all the sheriff's departments working together because we have a confined group that

are at risk for vaccinations that just for hepatitis A but other future preventable diseases very very good report I'm good to know that's on the down down slide of that right issue so a lot of it on the on the coast on Volusia convolution County now that they're really struggling and you know it's one of those things that once you finally get it contained in one area it pops up in another and yeah but I just I can't think enough about my team has really done an awesome job we you know we we prepared for this like a hurricane we set up an instant command structure we had logistics we had people that were doing and we handled it as as a natural disaster and it's great to see the results I am curious about the funding you said it cost you an unexpected quarter almost quarter of a million dollars and where does that money come from well we have a trust fund that we maintain for emergencies that we have to spend out of the state did fine CDC did send some money about seventy eighty thousand dollars that did help cover some of those costs and then it comes out of our trust fund dollars okay and and I think that's something that that as you know this isn't the first disease outbreak we've had we've had MERS and we've had SARS and we've had h1n1 and we've had Ebola and we the next disease is only next month away and so we're really working in our community in Pasco County to bolster our epidemiology department because when you have 75 individuals to call and when you're sick then I got to call your uncle and Larry and mo that's the same lunch that you are at and so there's a lot of work that goes behind the scenes to be able to chase these cases down yeah well thank you very much yeah thank you Mike I know obviously you know I know you discussed a brief ability exchange I know there's partners that are talking about doing it the fire teams talking about maybe putting something together for needle exchange which is sure obviously help this we're meeting with Cathy Pierson next week to talk about what that might look like and who we might be able to support that this the state's giving us a little more guidance on how we might be able to approach that okay thank you thank you thank you and your old team thank you okay I'm gonna skip ahead real quick just because our three I think our twos gonna take a few more minutes than our three so we can move to our three please [Music] good morning David Engle office of economic growth I'm here today to present the economic incentive item for Avalon Park Avalon Park is at 215 acre parcel which is a portion of the Avalon Park West M PUD it's located 1/2 mile east of Glen River Road on the north side of Route 54 in Wesley Chapel the project and proposal is to vertically create mixed-use construction at an urban level for a downtown for Wesley Chapel the typical buildings are four storeys in height commercial will occupy the first floor and three floors of residential above it there are also five to six parking decks and four

freestanding Class A office buildings the project is has the residential component of the project is 2695 units it is 44 percent less than the existing approved entitlement for the property the property also will have a hundred and sixty-five thousand square feet of Class A office and it also will have a hundred and ninety thousand square feet of commercial space the downtown construction cost will be a total of seven hundred and eighty five million dollars there are two trip reduction reduction components for this project the first one is is that there's a lot ample capacity on the property once the Pine Crest charter school is complete there'll be three thousand three hundred and eighty six seats for students and that'll be an excess capacity of 1997 students and the plus there is is that people don't have to travel a half a mile round-trip to take their kids to school everything is on the property the second trip reduction component is that 50% of the residential trip generation on the site will stay on the site once complete and that'll reduce trips off site by about fourteen thousand trips a day the economic incentive components are two parts the major one is a tax increment financing proposal commonly known as a TIF the TIF funds exclusively will be used for public infrastructure that will include the parking decks the transportation oriented design infrastructure for the transit access and a spine road all of the public improvements are estimated to cost approximately eighty three million dollars the proposal is that the through a thirty year period of time the TIF will generate 20% of the general operating portion of the ad valorem tax which will go to the developer and it's capped out at thirty two million dollars the most important feature the TIF is is that the TIF the TIF period the county will capture eighty million dollars more than it would if the developer built out to the existing entitlement so it'll be an increase in tax revenue to the county even during the TIF period the return on investments of the county is substantial we looked at the ROI based on the non-residential development for the downtown once the project is complete we'll be 1065 permanent jobs forty two million dollar payroll and the annual contribution to Pasco County will be approximately eighty five million a year and I'd like to introduce beat Kali the CEO of Avalon Park and he'll go over some slides and introduce you to the project itself good morning commission I'm very pleased to be here today my name is Pierre Kelly three six eight Oh Avalon Park Boulevard East Orlando Florida three to eight to eight when I moved from Switzerland some more than 25 years ago it wasn't actually the mountains which I missed in Florida I knew there were Nam it wasn't even that it was hot and humid but what I missed was what you're seeing on this slide that I could live in a town but you could live learn work and play which means that if you wanted to satisfy a

daily need you didn't had to go into your core that what I was used to when I was you know growing up in Zurich Switzerland so when I came to Florida for everything in anything I had to go in my car I lived in South Florida for the first year that was because I was homesick to Switzerland which got me to create Avalon Park Orlando with a great team of dedicated people and when people asked me and probably the same question which you may ask what is Avalon Park Wesley Chapel what will be the way soon what will be the mission I want to tell you what I told the first homeowners in the first homeowners association meeting in Avalon Park Orlando some 20 years ago look if you don't want to leave you don't have to leave because you can satisfy all your needs in Avalon Park and that's our goal you know with Avalon Park Wesley Chapel sometimes when I in Avalon Park Orlando stop at the restaurant or you know at one of our over 150 businesses there somebody may stop me and say well I haven't left for three months and I think that's the goal you know so because I continue to believe we can't you know deal with our traffic challenges if you don't find a way to keep people living where they're working having them playing having their kids go to school so instead of building subdivisions we have to build towns I'm very pleased that we worked for more than a year under the leadership of our attorney Clark Hobie together with David who visited us in a Balam I think a few weeks ago and I know commissioners here which I had the pleasure to work for over 20 years some we met and you probably know Avalon Park Orlando it was a I think it's a great agreement it's a win-win for Pasco County and for approach Act which you know I hope I can come back in a few years and people will tell you that it they don't have to leave and thank you very much for this hard work on Pasco County and Avalon Park Thank You staff enthusiastically recommends approval of this item Commissioner Starkey it's just it's such a great project I'm so excited that you're doing that here in in our County and I visited your project years ago actually in Orlando and many tnd projects around the country and this will be downtown Wesley Chapel because they don't have a downtown they have a mall but some people think of as downtown but this will really be the downtown of Wesley Chapel and we're just really excited to watch this come up out of the ground and and it's just amazing those numbers so we're I enthusiastically support this as well it is a phenomenal project I mean the tremendous success you had to lend oh I know you're gonna have it right here as well I'm glad you picked Pasco County from many many years of driving around kind of here what are we doing here appreciate you great project having not to leave where your home is to do all your shopping is pretty interesting in itself so that's a great project it's going to be a great project for this area of our County and keeps us from having we're building more roads but as

it gets started and gets going they won't have to leave you don't own the house outside roads there stay inside that product so it's great great projects and and I also want to say David thanks for together great package that's making this happen in Clarks hobby thank you for all your good work - this is like you said up just a really nice project and a feather in your cap - yes mr. Engel you there is a revision on this item if you could read that into the record yes ma'am on the agreement the header was changed to include the proper entity that is now the developer for this project and because this was a long time coming this Agreement the county clerks name was wrong and I corrected that there was a first mortgage form and the clerk's office contacted us and they wanted to have the amount of the first mortgage included and that is correct the amount is 1 million two hundred fifty thousand two hundred fifty dollars which is the economic development loan great and the name on the agreement should be APW downtown phase 1 LP that's correct and and mr. chairman mr. acting chairman I think we should also thank the planning staff because I'm sure you had a lot of work in this and I'm sure you are also very excited to see this come out because this is cutting-edge planning right here you know we did a little bit of it our family did in longleaf but I'm yeah there's so this is kind of cutting edge planning and and bail live work and play in the same neighborhood is is a great ending or a great what's the word solution yeah it really is it's great place to live so ii do we need the change Oh is there a public take public comment no what does emotion need to say it would be moved move staff recommendation include mood changes that have been made into the rapper change an emotion a second all in favor high as motion carries thank you thank you alright go to our to mr. chairman this is the introduction of amendments to chapter 42 authorize the board records to advertise that hearing for public hearing board had asked several months ago that we look at both Seminole County's ordinance and the Winter Garden I believe it was ordinance with regard to the issues that were being experienced by defunct golf courses by the neighbors surrounding to vote to funk off courses as I think I said in an earlier meeting the winter garden ordinance I think ultimately would have some legal challenges the Seminole County ordinance is very similar to your existing overgrown chapter 42 and with relatively minor changes could be mirrored I've distributed that the proposed revisions frankly more of the changes have less to do with overgrown Lots than they do other areas that Seminole was regulating that seemed to be a good idea there was a concern that developed last night with regard to this ordinances proposed effect on agriculture while I'm relatively comfortable that the definition of uncultivated vegetation that the ordinance uses would exclude

agriculture I would propose that the definition be modified to for final adoption to be modified to strike active crops or pasture lands associated with bonafide agricultural uses and replace it with farm operations with Boniface agricultural practices adhering to BMPs which appears to be what the gentleman that had contacted far the Forestry Association was recommending though I did not get a response to that proposal [Music] the other issue that I needed to bring before the board was the ordinance as it is currently structured appeals would come to the Board of County Commissioners you've not had an appeal come to the Board of County Commissioners but I'm not sure whether or not this would be the time if you want those those challenges to go to a special man magistrate I can make that change now because the ordinance will be open and I can take the board out as you have on some of your other adversarial Administrative Appeals and handed them to a to a lawyer acting as your special magistrate to to prepare that record rather than coming before the board that would be my recommendation but if the board wants to continue to hear those these items it's clearly within your purview and with that I would answer any questions the board has the Chairman just mentioned - thank you very much for taking the time to do this diligently you know I had one of those Florida Association County events is when we planted the seed out there a couple of times he got the ideas what could work and I think the Seminole County one County like ours same situations was a great pick to go with and I'm glad you've modified it for our ordinance I would like to say that I think it's I think it'd be beneficial for us to have the appeal heard here if we're gonna have any not the anticip entity too many times but I think it's so important as you saw for the quality of life the residents that were here from what I've seen as well that we want to keep I would want to keep that local control right in front of the board but other than that I think you've done a phenomenal job with it possibly mr. Oakley I have heard from the agricultural community mainly cattlemen and people of that nature to do that kind of agricultural product raising cattle and all they're very concerned about that wording and I think the wording that the snyder is proposing will take care of that and i think this you came in and we were talking about the fact that a golf course is probably like 100 acres or more so I think when you expanded you know keeping this lawn covered cut you know it's a larger property than just a house a lot of one or two acres I think that's where the agricultural question came into being for our agricultural users here in Pasco County so I think that wording change will exempt them that's good I also was contacted by the AG community being an Ag family and the wording was very yeah it was very concerning to me I'm still have some angst with this because I don't know how you force a

person who's lost their business to find the money to to keep the maintenance going I do think there's some responsibility maybe on the edges but to how are you going to require a company that went belly up to to keep spending money does it just become liens on the property because I think about the engulfed harbors where the family that inherited the two young girls that inherited the property have not you know don't have any any income to mow so it just becomes liens well it's it's gonna be we're gonna see golf courses more golf courses get come in for development I think and it's just I'm just a little uncomfortable with with this I'm not there yet mr. Oakley yeah I've seen some of that same issues how do you get someone that went broke on a golf course you know became alive at one time ever profit they made profit for those businesses but now it's became a liability those counters they can't carry on how do you force them to keep going and keep spending money when there's no money so that is a concern of mine in this ordinance but in fact it is and when you talk about commercial Starkie about more than the hedges you got to remember those those fairways went down in between all the homes in that development so when you talk about edges you've almost got everything mode so it's you know quite a bit but so but it's a needed ordinance they can't just keep being like they are we've had some coming for us like well hawa that's going to be developed into a subdivision in that area and and that's a good use and the person doing that when I was waiting to make it very comfortable for the neighbors that were around it to make things work and actually reduce the number of houses per acre to help them in that in that area of that golf course but hopefully we these others will turn out the same way so yeah I have no doubt that if this passes that that owner of that property is going to put it up for sale for development because what else can he do no I I don't I don't know if that's what the residents want but that's what probably they will get if he doesn't and and I've read I think I read the story from the newspaper that the residents were offered an opportunity to be members of the club and they took and they turned that down so probably any probably any golf course that didn't require there the HOA to be a member of the golf course is going to be facing this I'm in Florida I mean this is happening all over there was a gentleman in my neighborhood whose company that's what their company does is finds golf courses and gets them to get some through in to be flipped for development so yeah I don't know I I know this is we're not voting on this and I have more homework to do I'm I want I asked also I asked our attorney if golf courses that are currently in operation would be grandfathered but you said no is that correct that's right I mean this is make it clear that and that was my problem with

the Winter Gardens ordinance is this is not directed at golf courses this is directed your existing ordinance had an overgrown lot provision that was had a higher higher threshold before it became quote overgrown and it had a provision that says one acre or greater you only had to mow a buffer this is the this ordinance is the same thing so any piece of property that has that basically has been improved and then is allowed to get overgrown would be subject to this ordinance and that's a and that that's a if it's currently being maintained now and this ordinance gets put into place it'll have to be maintained at least to the level of this order if the landowner or property owner whatever you want to call them revert the property back to its original state before it was improved than they are exempt from this ordinance it depends on whether they can do that or not I mean it depends on you know you can't if you have a MP UD type ordinance or residential zoning ordinance on a piece of property you can't then immediately take it and put it back into some sort of an agricultural operation without the appropriate approvals is unimproved land agriculture so once you've taken a piece of property and and put ten traps on it and put a stormwater system in it I'm not sure how you get how you can then say it's not improved anymore is that because the stormwater for this whole development goes out to that golf course I mean if we're well I'm just speaking land any land I'm just asking a kind of a general question so it would depend on what the piece of property was whether or not it could return to being unimproved I think that's the answer and what other what other since this isn't just for golf courses so if a any development is cleared for I don't know what else what other kind of projects our properties do you envision this and also encompassing the same thing that your code enforcement department currently goes out now and tells them that they have to keep a 30-foot strip mowed but this goes beyond a 30-foot service right this is the hole right now the whole property right now those same properties would be mowing a 30-foot strip so now they would have to mow and just so people know that that's for firebreak purposes that right no it's not the same purposes that this ordinance is for it's for vermin it's for you know our our definition of why we were doing the ordinance that we have in place is identical to the reasoning that Seminole County was using for this ordinance okay Thank You mr. chairman mr. County eternity can bring up some great points this was an MP UD you went to have a property values etc property rights all these people have bought a golf course what they're done join the golf course and the person that bought the golf course bought a golf course he didn't just buy a piece of property so he knew we had to have a golf course in running the golf course in building the golf course as they say the stormwater is all part of that whole thing all those roads everything goes in and the way this

course is set up if you take a look at the map it's like a whole series of one hole one hole and all that kind of go through that all the runoff from the developments goes right there it's all part of it when you look at trying to even if you wanted to go try to put homes in except for maybe one section by the clubhouse whatever pretty much you couldn't putting homes in this area anyway but when you looked at it and I will tell you when this first came up and back in April May I met with the owner and he told me a story of the very first home that was under contract while this story came out he said well the house was sold had a deal on it and then when they found out the golf course was going to funked they backed out of the deal so the people walked away from it they then came back later on and offered thirty thousand less because of that and you know put the deal together if you take that thirty thousand dollar price tag from every home around there it's a pretty strong number it might even be higher now that people see the effects of not having it maintained Seminole County was very very smart in how they set up to protect that situation - at least until something resolved and I will tell you there's plenty of land that he owns now in this land to the north that could get developed and actually was looked at seven or eight years ago before the market tanked that could have been developed and I and I met with the owner he text me on Sunday Saturday I met with him Sunday just to have this try to have meet with him before we came here today and after meeting with the residents on Thursday night and I and I pretty much saw him I says you know frankly people bought the golf course you're gonna need to maintain it he talked about the AG as far as he planted pine trees all through it I don't know how you go plant pine trees on a golf course well you don't have an Ag exemption or an Ag permit to go do that how do you how do you turn that over to to what was there I says you know and maybe it's going to take working with the people which frankly he hasn't done a lot of great things to to build the trust with them to go get fixed capital capital things if you look at this situation plantation palms those people gave him a dose he gave the situation there the residents had got a much better deal than what he was offering them he was shown that deal to plantation palms when it was going on in all due respect you do not know his financial situation I mean I don't this is gonna be interesting he bought he brought it to the center part I don't know no he's well-to-do anyway so in trying to meet with him to try to give him that alternative work he wanted to stick with his deal as it was so to me frankly he's got to go look at maybe putting a full package together getting someone to do development as well as the golf course and maybe even working with some people and decided to make it all happen I think there's a way to make this structure a lot better for the people and maybe this is just the start of maintaining the property the

way it should be maintained until something works itself out well not to mention Smith Mundy P they probably need to be out there looking at somewhere they've been called so Commissioner Oakley now we've got the recess mr. Stein Steiner to change that problem say that property was pasture land where the houses are and where the golf course is when they started and there were agricultural property at that time but you did that MP UD came in and changed all that for a stormwater and all those issues and the houses and the golf course to actually change that Golf Course land back you would have to change that MPD or back to agriculture of some sort but you'd still have taken consideration stormwater and those issues that dealt with it before it could change and be say a tree farm or something of that nature it sounds like to me so so I think to answer your question is so if they wanted to take the property and make it make a different use out of it they would have to figure out a way to accommodate the stormwater either the way it is currently being handled or a different equal or better system of managing stormwater [Music] one large pond versus a bunch of little ponds whatever that would all have to be their Swift my permits would have to be modified their zoning approvals would have to be modified to get to that yeah that stuff which means they can't just automatically go plant trees and then it just happens they're still gonna be responsible or take care of that land even if they did plant trees without doing all the based on what I've heard that probably is an open code enforcement case yeah it has to my knowledge it has not come to the County Attorney's Office at this pose this require yes every goes because we changed some wording I think well it require accept the amendments to chapter 42 for publication direct board records to advertise the ordinance for public hearing on March 24th 2002 at 1:30 p.m. or soon there after his same may be heard in the West Pasco government center new port richey so move okay and that is that motion with the change is necessary to exempt agricultural yes I mean that that's the way it will be advertising I second that motion yeah all in favor aye okay motion passes 3-1 with that will recess until 1:30 [Music] you