01.07.20 Pasco BOCC Meeting

[Music] I could more everybody thank you for being here for the weird County Commissioner meeting from one seven 2020 happy new year I know we're all off to a great new year so with that we could please rise for the invocation the pledge the merciful creator your hand is open wide to satisfy the needs of every living creature make us thankful for your loving Providence and grant that we remembering the account that we must one day give may be faithful stewards of your good gifts amen clerk will call the roll please their district three commissioners start to care district or commissioner wells here district five Commissioner Mariano here district to chairman or here Thank You Madame clerk okay this time it's time for public comment Sinister's to given an opportunity to comment on any item come before the board during the public comment section the board also takes public comment on items to be placed on a fuchsia portage in or other business under their purview public comment the public hearing items are taken during there's a vigil public hearings beginning of 1:30 p.m. is requested that when you'd address the board that comments are not directly for directed personally against any commission or a team member but rather directed the issues this provides a mutual respect between the board and members of the public individuals speaking during public comment are given three minutes to speak after stating your name and address for the clerk the timer looking on the podium will start a countdown after two minutes when people sound the light on the timer will change from green to yellow letting you know that only one minute remains after that time and the two beeps will sound the light on the timer will change from yellow to red indicating three minutes are up and you will or you should actually close your comments at that time so do I have a list if you did if you did not sign up you'll have time at the end I'll call from additional comments the first three people signed up to talk I have is it Liana Dean James Russell Larry Lewis if you could please line up to stop top thank you good morning my name is Liana Dean I work at 70809 Massachusetts Avenue in New Port Richey I'm chair of the Pasco County Commission on human trafficking and today we have before you a resolution and I just wanted to say thank you to the Board of County Commissioners for their ongoing support of the Pasco County Commission on human trafficking and for declaring January 2020 national slavery and human trafficking Prevention Month in Pasco County as I'm sure you all are aware both in the state of Florida and here in Pasco County in 2018 Florida again ranked third in the nation in the number of cases of human trafficking and just so you all are aware we have continued with our efforts to educate and make the community aware we have trained over 10,000 people in Pasco County and across the state on the issue we've spoken at forums across the state most recently at

the human trafficking summit in Orlando we have also reached over 1.5 million people with our marketing and advertising campaigns which i think is pretty significant and we led the state in terms of getting human trafficking curricula into schools for which I would like to thank our superintendent for his partnership in that effort we led the state in terms of getting curricula into all of our sixth and ninth grade classrooms ahead of the state role a year in advance of what the rest of the state was doing so we wanted to say thank you and update you on that we are also working on addressing the upcoming Super Bowl that will be in Tampa in 2021 so we will be launching on several campaigns around educating the public about that and preventing trafficking from happening here in Pasco County and partnering with other trafficking task forces in the area and also supporting law enforcement efforts to arrest traffickers buyers of sex trafficking here in the area so we do have several events that are upcoming that we wanted to make you aware of one is on January 27th at pH SC and the other will be at Our Lady Queen of Peace church on February 6 so I've shared some Flyers with Commissioner Oakley's office and I know he'll be sharing those with you as well we wanted to make sure that you and the public are aware of those so thank you so much from all of us at the Commission for your ongoing support of this important issue so much yeah can we turn the mics up just a little bit you having trouble in the back yeah just get them up just a little bit please mr. chairman I speak I'm a part of the human trafficking Commission and on behalf of the Commission we'd like to invite all the commissioners each and every one of you to the event they've got coming up on February 6 psychic vote appreciate if y'all could attend so the human trafficking has done a great job over over the years that we've been a part of that and I'm telling you they've been nationally acclaim for for all the good work they've done and they've been recognized all over the country they they have I think they have people want to copy us because we've done such a good job in human trafficking Commission here in Pasco County and they can't continue to do that work that's all I can say Thank You commissioner so James Russell and then Larry Lewis if you could line up behind him following is Jake Jacob good morning my name is James Russell I'm on uh uh here on behalf of Oakes Royal three addresses 54:19 Antigo dry Zephyrhills I have called Public Works Rosie bridges numerous times I've never got a call back I even left my number to call me back I asked to speak to mr. Bozeman but he was on vacation I asked when he was gonna be back he said they told me the following week so I called back the following week he was extended his vacation so I says who could I talk to about this problem that took his place couldn't get a hold of him that he would be back on the road

have him call me but never got back to me that now we're having problems with water washing into our properties from the road behind us riles Road we're having a dust problem I mean I don't know who to contact okay so Charles can get what is here with Charles okay this gentleman right here will walk to the side with you and have a discussion with you sir right there yeah okay thank you thanks mr. Lewis morning name and address the record place blurry loose I live at 37 33 9 Northside Drive sepra Hill Florida I was in here last month and I was talking to your concern about we're trying to get two roads blacktop and our area cool wood and Kyle and their acts that consider has cut through roads from 301 to for cake we got a lot of traffic on them to roads and Peter I turned that petition two years ago to get these roads blacktop long process trying to get it done but anyway we're at the point now for exemptions and I was in here last month to talk to you about the exemptions and the gentleman's metro Cabala got with me and but I haven't heard it worked since so I know we had holidays and stuff no like to find out how her proceeding again so remember we don't go back to for from the Dyess but he will point you to the same gentleman that she just did and he can get back to it yes you are correct there was the holidays and some people were out so thank you thank you so much sir following our next speaker is Andrew Diggle and Eric Carr do you know good morning name and address for the record please good morning Jacob Bernal governmental affairs manager greater Tampa Realtors 2 9 1 8 West Kennedy Boulevard I would like to request to pass out a handout to sorry well I get me closest way make a motion oh it's okay thank you yes second I have a motion a second hold favor aye opposed same sign motion passes thank you this came too close thanks her that was close as an association of 12,000 members spanning Hillsboro and Pasco County we have many members who work and live across county lines in this regard we believe the draft ordinance could be more convenient registering owners and landlords under the state implementation and triggering timeframes proposed we offer the following concerns in remedies under section 18 160 definitions the registerable property treatment of a vacancy is concerning with a trigger of only 30 days or cancellation of services whichever occurs first although it is understandable why the sheriff's office would one a quick trigger we believe that 60 days or 30 days after cancellation of services whichever occurs first is more practical and will truly target the problem properties instead of adding unnecessary paperwork furthermore the definition of vacant has us concerned as to what law of fully occupied means for example is running a few cows on a large acreage lawfully occupying and removing it from vacancy we believe this should be more

transparent as is also concerned with the registration requirements section 1862 targeting a date of March 1st 2020 this seems like an aggressive approach as most citizens don't know it's coming and will not know if their properties fit the ordinance requirement there are doubts that this can be properly implemented by June 1st which would assume that the county is already prepared and advertising aggressively as our association is assist in notifying the community in addition March 20th is too soon for vacant properties and allowing only 10 days a vacancy before registering seems too quick we believe that this 10-day requirement should increase to 30 days for a more effective timeline furthermore section 1863 should allow for the option of Pasco residing owners to designate a property manager as the primary contact in addition this section appears to be unduly restrictive based on including property managers not based in Pasco County we request that the ordinance allow property managers from neighboring counties lastly the 1864 exemption lists at the end of section 3 clearly intends to focus on residential properties of one to four units and all vacant lands we would like to see a more detailed description of commercial rental property thank you good morning my name is Andrew Dougal and I live at 3900 West Elm Avenue in Tampa Florida I'm here today as a professional property manager and also I am a current board member of the Tampa Bay chapter of the National Association of residential property managers we represent professional managers of single family rental properties we our organization is here to speak in favor of the rental ordinance we recognize that the Sheriff's Department has a problem with vacant properties with slumlord so we're very much in favor of that we do have a couple of concerns with the ordinance as written the first one is the requirement that the property manager maintains a business office in Pasco County many many of the properties of residential properties in Pasco County are managed by property managers in Hillsboro Pasco and Hernando so requiring a business office in Pasco County will cause thousands of current landlords in in the county to lose their professional management which is obviously an unintended consequence and is not the intent of the ordinance that the second issue we have is the definition of a property manager as written it seems to allow a property manager to be unlicensed in violation of florida statutes we suggest that allowing that requiring the property manager to be licensed by the state well is is the way to go thank you very much thank you so much my name is Eric Garduno my address is 8080 631 Turnberry circle Sarasota Florida I am the director for the Bay Area Apartment Association the area represents over a hundred ninety thousand units throughout the Tampa Bay area including units in Pasco County our membership includes apartment community owners apartment community managers and

suppliers who support the apartment industry such as roofers and pavers we had gotten wind of the ordinance that is going to be discussed by the county attorney during miscellaneous comments back in December and reached out directly to the county attorney's office Christi Sims and the crysta telling the County Attorney's Office in particular we did see in that ordinance as originally drafted several issues that came to our attention as apartment communities being able to keep up with the registry let alone just generally participating it seemed onerous to us what we were able to to share with the county attorney and would like to share with you as well today is that actually bless you apartment communities five units and above are preempted by state law under state law there is a requirement for partner communities to register with the state and a regulation of the park amenities is done via the state and so any question anything above five units or above is preempted by state law / 5 / 9 0 3 - have you affrights and documentation on that as well and we had that conversation about the preemption as well as you know our general concerns with the ordinance with the county as a County Attorney's Office we were able to work out various thoughts and ideas I think the county attorney will present some some of those ideas including an exemption section that would take apartment communities five units and above out of the scope of the registry I will just note that in our experience we have worked with other municipalities in the region and and thank you and the exemption that has been built in or at least the draft that we've seen seems to be in line both with what the preemption requires and what would your be Nissa qualities in the region have also done in terms of exempting the apartment communities out for instance new port richey expressly references the preemption the city of temple terrorists has apartment communities just listed in the ordinance as exempted there's variety of ways to approach it but we appreciate the work that the county attorney has done working with us and trying to find ways to address our issues and we definitely support the edits that I think she'll present later today so thank you very much thank you thank you two final speakers signed up that's Harry he and Carl Stratton yeah you did not sign up and would like to speak I'll ask that you line up at this time if you're not lined up I will cut off public comment with the last person good morning and perhaps of anybody else want to speak okay mr. Harding you're the last person oh okay that's it go ahead thank you good morning happy new year my name is Harry Heist and I live at 13 bay wood court in Fort Myers Florida I'm an attorney I'm gonna landlord tenant law attorney and I work for actually thousands of apartment communities and property managers all throughout Florida and the majority of them in Pasco County the reason I'm here today is in support of the the rental registration ordinance with some changes

some of you some of you heard them already first of all the one of the most important changes is the requirement for a business office in Pasco County and what we did what I did today is we brought with us they're not going to speak today but we brought with us a number of property managers who are all licensed professional property managers of single-family homes duplexes triplexes and and some of them have their primary office in Hernando County Hillsborough County but now County Polk County so just want to just let you know there's a lot of people who do manage in Pasco County but their primary office is outside of of of Pasco County so we are in favor of the ordinance but we would like to have some sort of a geographical a geographical requirement and also so that they could continue to manage properties the other really big issue is the the ordinance fails - fails to define property manager and a lot of people don't realize that there's two types of property managers out there in the world there are licensed property managers who have real estate license our work under a broker and then there are unlicensed people the unlicensed property managers that manage for the absentee owners have caused serious problems in Pasco County and all over Florida so we would we would ask that the ordinance is amended or a - to properly define property manager as a someone who holds a license - to manage to manage property in in Florida we feel that it will cut down on a lot of problems and it will and it will if this is what will help the problems that you are trying to address to have licensed people not unlicensed people who are a friend relative or whoever of some absentee owners who oftentimes do not care about their property they don't care what's going on in the property and you're unable to contact those people when there's a problem thank you for having me today thank you in address for the record please Carl Stratton - four one six blind pond avenue in lutz i'm the broker of and dennis realty and dennis property management we have two offices located in Pasco County one in Luce and another one on Meridian Avenue right here we currently manage about five hundred units in Pasco County but our office also manages properties in Pinellas Hernando citrus in Hillsborough County so I I feel like this ordinance would I'm actually in favor of it but by putting the requirement that professional property managers which we have so many of them here would have to be outside we have to have an office inside the county I think would would be a big hardship for a lot of owners like Andrew said thousands and thousands of property owners who have trusted relationships with their property managers and like Harry said there's a big difference between people that say their property management or do property management and professional property management our company's been in business since 1973 we manage over eleven hundred properties currently for people you know locally nationally and

internationally and you know I really think that uh the if there was an ordinance for a professional property management from some type of licensing requirement for people that are doing property management that we I think we'd all be in favor of something like that and I think a 50-mile radius would would make a lot of sense for the the property management company would need to be within like a 50 mile radius of the property that would be reasonable in my opinion it was thank you very much thank you name and address for the record please good morning Dave Sigler 1 1 204 wind Road Riverview Florida commissioners good morning again and thank you for the opportunity I currently own a property management business located in Brandon Florida for over 10 years we have managed properties in the surrounding 5 counties of pulk panellists Hillsborough and all the way up into Hernando and even some down into Sarasota County we're very aware of compliance issues and knows some registration of the particular units for certain cities like cities of Saint Pete as well as Tampa so when it comes up appliance we're very much in tune with that what I did not hear as well as I'm also the 2019 president of Norfolk National Association of property managers and I believe the relevance there is that I'm very much in tune with what is going on around our state as well as going on nationally with issues such as this and that also echoes on having a licensed professional involved with this process we do our best to maintain our licenses through legal compliance and we also understand that same thing applies to property management so we're very much in tune with complying with what you're asking for and understand the reason for the ask however in an effort to accomplish the bigger goal you know my state license allows me to do real estate anywhere in the state of Florida so limiting to me to a county is somewhat restrictive especially when I have the ability to manage five counties and have demonstrated that for over ten years the licensed professional I think without being redundant is a critical key here because without that necessary compliance of the license there's very little likelihood that they're gonna be compliant with whatever they're bringing forward at this point the other issue that might be in play there is just those two I believe forgiveme is the distance as well as the licensing thank you for your time thank you thank you Jeremy Harding one zero zero two eight Grove Drive for a chief Florida good morning I'm taking a good chunk of my day to drive across the county to ask the board for some help I was offered a meeting on the fourteenth which I took is completely blowing me off and asking as I asked for this meeting back on December 4th this is not the first time my emails have gone unanswered for weeks or even months Commissioner Mariano and Wells have worked hard to try to fix these issues I'm going to discuss and I want to thank

them for that it seems that your staff doesn't listen to board members as an individual as individuals I have been trying to expand my business and I'm trying to hire more people and with great paying jobs not minimum wage positions these are careers my problem is the overwhelming red tape the red tape that has cost me many nights of lost sleep to this point about 35,000 and County fees and three engineers later not to mention the cost of owning a building and I cannot use for over a year all I want is to have more office space to expand my business I thought I was doing the right doing it the right way I purchased a building on lower road next to my current location I went to the county and started the zoning process that went fairly smooth except for some outrageous requirements they tried to hold me I tried to hold me to which I was able to overcome the problem all starts when I got to the building in sight plan I'm being treated to serve I am Walmart building a brand new building I have been given I have had to provide letters from the Power Company stating they would supply power to a building that they have supplied power to for 21 years I have had to add bicycle racks to a building that I do not want the general public coming to I've had to rip out existing concrete parking and building monstrosity of a parking lot just to comply with county codes I could go on and off on with crazy requirements but I am now down to want them wanting me to put a retention pond in I have a deal engineer that has strongly urged against that due to the underlying rock beneath my property stating that could cause sinkholes and it's remediated property already I have tried I need your help obtaining the permit because your codes do not require this and I and will poun just makes some of this stuff up from my experience well poon does not understand or even care the astronomical cost associated with some of these requirements just yesterday your employee Katy baccaro lied to me on the phone after after pulling my submission saying that I had no response in 60 days she told me that Don Rosenthal was retired and that my email to him on the 4th was basically null and void because he was no longer with you which I believe is incorrect I was in communication waiting on response I told her I was waiting in communication waiting on response from Don and still me retired and basically I didn't matter I tried to make I'm trying to make things nicer here in West Pasco I am doing all of this and spending all my own money while I look around in Northwest Pasco is falling apart around me I do not know if you guys have noticed the area is declining I am trying to I'm trying to help my hometown I just recently bought a drug house across the street that has been there for 20 or 30 years thank you so this should I went here I would like you my in the right spot no I get there's you back Brad and Esther both looking back you talk to you now yeah thinking there's a room next to

us they can sit down and talk through this way okay thank you okay resolutions so we do have a very special resolution this morning so if I can ask why grass Ranch High School band the police come up and their instructors along with we have Superintendent Kirk routing here and school board chairwoman I think I saw remember Megan Hardy here you would like to come up to if you guys could go in front of the podium and maybe you guys can help out there we go whoever the representative today is I would assume well good morning Dornoch thank you so much for being here what a awesome day it is so we're gonna go ahead and resin read the resolution first and we'll and we have some comments and obviously I'm with a lot of you to make some yeah minutes oh man I ready come up okay madam clerk okay resolution number 20 - 0 5 7 a resolution by the Board of County Commissioners of Pasco County Florida congratulating the yr s Ranch High School Marching Bulls for winning the Florida marching band 2019 class 4a state championship whereas rirs Ranch High School's located in Wesley Chapel and as part of the Pasco County school system an R as the y RS Ranch High School band known as the marching Bulls has a hundred and thirty five members comprised of students that reside in Pasco County and res the marching Bulls have previously competed in the Florida marching band championships state finals in 2015 2016 and 2018 in Roz on November 23rd 2019 in Daytona Beach Florida the marching bulls earned the class 4a state championship in the Florida marching band championships for their program the red X an res the marching Bulls band is the first marching band in Pasco County to win a class for a marching band state competition now therefore be it resolved by the Board of County Commissioners of Pasco County Florida that said board hereby congratulate the Wiregrass Ranch High School Marching Bulls for winning the Florida marching band 2019 class 4a state championship dunna resolved in regular session with a quorum president and voting the seventh day of January 2020 move approval of a motion I have a second all in favor hi I'll opposed same sign motion passes well welcome it's an exciting day indeed signing day I'm so happy you guys are here would obviously congratulate each and every one of you on your accomplishments I mean that's that's a rarity I don't know it's at a first here in Pasco first in Pasco County - that's what eight championships so we're so very proud of you my daughter actually if you know operator you know you don't want me more yes she obviously God's voice raised her hand you know to be reported and my mother's watching - yeah so yeah she goes to school so I know she knows a lot of you too but just just a great accomplishment so we're proud of you we're happy to recognize you and with that if you want to say a few words and

I think it's super tender well on behalf of all of us just thank you so much for having us here today the kids they got to be out of class so they would probably have been here either way but no we're all very very excited and honored to be a part of this and to be recognized as not why we do it but obviously it's a nice treat so thank you again for having us we appreciate it well thank you all so very much and I kind of apologize - I know it is the first day of school so I've given you all field trip oh that's okay including including including the staff and the leadership but Colleen or whatever I don't like it Thank You mr. chairman members this Commission and I just want to as superintendent of this district want to personally thank mr. Hobson and Yrsa Ranch High School band this is just one example of the great fine arts programs that we have in this district fine arts is critical to a well-rounded robust education of the kids that we serve or the families that we serve we're getting bigger every day we grew about 1800 kids just alone this year throughout the district but this program is being commended for the for their tenacity and their hard work that got them here it just doesn't happen so on behalf of our school board and our district we want to congratulate Y Kressel Ranch High School band for their conference thank you so much so for most of my life I was a cheerleader but I had a very special year my junior year in high school when I was on the flag core of my high school in Miami and I appreciate the hard work that that you put in so lots of hours practicing and I'm sure you were in parades and and all that so I I'm expressed that especially appreciative of your hard work and what you have accomplished so thank you very much I Drive by the school a time they're excellent musicians and I forget I've heard you many many times at different events and again we appreciate you as anybody else anything else to say if not we'll go down and do it congratulations and then we're gonna do a photo and we'll help arrange that photo because there's a lot of people but but we do have we have a special resolution for you to hang up in your office here and then we have individual ones for all of you and the rest of your families oh yeah we actually in recognition of what you play we put a red X for you to learn yeah it's up to you if you want to go say hi real quick then come back up I think that's what we're gonna do but if you want to stay up now that's up to you [Music]

[Applause] dear [Music] because let's just move this out what time to fit in and I don't hear you [Applause] [Music] I guarantee they can dog yeah sure you can take care of ourselves I wouldn't win a couple of seconds here okay I have an itch I'm sorry grab one okay moving on right sounds great that was a Rollie resolution today we will move on consent and one two three we have c-26 in to withdraw c39 poland revised c42 pull and discuss any additional items need to be pulled say no one move approval second and we'll motion have a second all in favor aye opposed same sign motion passes thank you we'll start with that's what's your all 39 good morning Charles : utilities engineering director this item is a contract to fix the Boyett reservoir the revision is a few last-minute items for the agreement with the contractor was anticipated with the holidays and and what how important that the reservoir is we wanted to get it on today rather than waiting two weeks okay questions second motion second all in favor aye thank you c42 that is me um and Keith and our guests from lightning come on up and we just wanted to say a special thank you to the Lightning for this program and Keith if you could go again and make sure everyone that's watching us on TV sure what's coming and we're so excited we're here for the Lightning folks good morning Keith Wylie director of parks recreation natural resources today we're here to for the board for consideration to approve the agreement with the Tampa Bay Lightning through their community development hockey program we're gonna be building with their partnership to street hockey rinks I have some maps to show you exactly where those are going to be located I won't steal their thunder like that I'm still there talking about the program but anyway thank you to commissioner Starkey for introducing us and making us aware of this program but we should give a shout-out to train thanks that she's that number up there typo on the front yeah that two hundred forty thousands that period supposed to be a comma the mr. chairman and commissioners thank you very much thank you for the opportunity to be here this morning we were fortunate enough as an organization five years ago thanks to the National Hockey League the National Hockey League Players Association and our owner Jeff Fenech to embark on a program that we called build the Thunder that program had five different tenants and five different metrics under it one of the major ones was that over a five-year period we committed to donate five 100,000 Lightning logo street hockey sticks and balls to children within the five

contiguous County area of Amalie arena and that we would also visit five hundred primarily middle schools during that period and donate 500 complete sets of street hockey gear so that the schools could continue to have children playing long after we were gone this is the start of that fifth year and we have thus far donated one hundred and six thousand plus Lightning logo street hockey sticks and balls to five hundred and three schools within the five County area and as Bruce Springsteen once said he said I realized after I put all them people in all of them cars I had to figure out some place for them to go and about three years ago we realized that after we distributed all those street hockey sticks and balls that we had to have some place for youngsters to play and so in the second round of the program that the NHL and the PA put together we applied to do what we call connect the Thunder and basically that's a commitment to build ten outdoor street hockey rinks again in the five contiguous County area and we're here today because we've reached an agreement with the county attorney and we want to proceed to be able to build actually two of those ball hockey street hockey rinks we use those terms street hockey and ball hockey interchangeably but we want to build two here in Pasco County and that that figure is correct at 2:40 we build a 60 by 120 foot rank each rink is about a hundred and twenty thousand dollars complete with scoreboard and and everything you need for a good hockey rink and then in addition what you'll see in the agreement we also commit to help program that so we'll come up here with our alumni and and we'll have grand openings and and then we will also continue to help program it throughout the year so we're excited about it we appreciate everything that the county has done and we certainly we look forward to working with you going forward so thank you for the opportunity it's it's Jay Feaster and the address is 118 Fallingwater Drive in Brandon Florida you know when they first came up there weren't do one but our county is so wide and we have such interest in the county that they were so nice to agree to do to so I just can't tell you how excited our citizens are and our kids and I'm really really looking forward to this and we're very grateful and very thankful yeah looked like mr. Mariano thank you so good Jay you've been absolutely phenomenal since mr. Vinick and you have come into this region has been phenomenal the product you put online they commit me making the community and this is just part of the commitment they donate to all these charities every single week every single game and what you've done really elevated the whole team of the region has been phenomenal and I know you work with our local people that played hockey and from glory Zimmer to Matt Garry and just trying to help tough to grow and from someone who came from the Boston or was a huge lightning fan now I'm just the light of what you've done and I want to thank you you've done a frontal mojo

No thank you very much and I know I had seen some pictures of ones that they've done other counties that I sent to Keith and I tell you Keith it would really be great mr. biles if we could find a way to put roofs over these and and have the big fans and make it to where folks could actually be in the shade I know financially whi well a number for that because it would be not that I would expect expect the Lightning to pay for they just I think Sarasota wherever it what county it was it was pretty awesome but I just think that would be great to do here in the county maybe we can be creative we're building these with the ability to do that in the future okay that's funding becomes a bit but thank you all very much kids are moving and adults are very excited well I have one more thank you to as you know the county is very interested in international economic development and we have a little committee of CEOs who are involved in international business and the Lightning was kind enough to give us a tour behind the scenes um last year and so we're very grateful for that too I know um all those guys enjoyed that very much yeah I want to thank you it looks like we're gonna have something when I grew up in this area we didn't have hockey I mean that was a northern sport and we never saw it much here so maybe we can get some young players building up and provide some players for the Lightning so I'd be great and and that's where you get started you got to start them young and and so with that I move all right [Music] amended for three additional statements to be added to the certain to the signed campaign practices certificate that they asked all candidates to sign before running for election the three new statements or I shall conduct my campaign openly publicly discuss the issues and avoid criticizing my opponent in a personal nature I shall not permit unethical practice which undermines our system of fair elections I shall listen respectfully to persons with opposing viewpoints and to avoid language that is insulting or inappropriate additionally we have there is a new section that was completely new section that's to be added 115 8 and that would prohibit the use of amplified devices to solicit him the prohibition from soliciting collectors entering a polling place within 150 feet this would add had the use of amplified devices that could be heard within that same hundred and fifty feet so as not to allow that state prohibition from sort of being skirted by using amplified devices and the I did hand out a a revised are one that's mainly formatting issues and some suggestions the supervisor had made made to me over the holidays and I would ask the board to accept the proposed amendments to this chapter and direct board records to advertise the proposed amendments for public hearing on January 21st 2020 at new port richey at 1:30 or as soon thereafter as same may be heard there's no motion needed today no the I need a motion for it to

be advertised need a motion to be advertised any questions no questions no discussion okay promotion in a second all in favor aye thank you thank you our - our - MS Sims will present for the County Attorney's Office Kristy Sims County Attorney's Office r2 is a resolution by the Board of County Commissioners establishing and adopting fees for appeals certain appeals we already have appeals to a hearing officer on demolition determinations we also the board last month adopted an ordinance change that said that appeals on substantial improvement substantial damage issues on floodplain determinations would also go to the hearing officer instead of the construction board their optimum linking this is just a resolution establishing the fee adopts re-adopt the same fee for demo Appeals of $400 and adopts a fee of $600 for substantial damage substantial improvement appeals the vast majority of that money goes to pay the hearing officer and for example that they the hearing officer charges a flat $500 fee for substantial damage appeals so we would ask the board to adopt the proposed resolution to authorize the Chairman senior on scene questions like a motion second all in favor aye all opposed subside moves nice Thank You mr. mr. chairman before miss Sims gets too far away you heard the discussion and I think that's the end of the regular agenda I have a right you had heard discussion this morning about the ordinance that is supposed that is currently scheduled to come back for public hearing at the next board meeting in New Port Richey I would like if if the board would entertain comment from the Sims so that we can make any changes to that ordinance before we get to public hearing and I think she's got some proposals of how to amend the registry that still implements what the board has directed us to do but we'll make some of the folks who have concerns feel more at ease thank you take me out of order yes commissioners I listen to all the public comment this morning I've had several meetings with some of the people who are here today as well as other commercial Realtors people representing various groups that are currently would be affected by the property registry ordinance and after sort of delving more into the subject matter with those subject matter experts and speaking with Chase regarding the sheriff's priorities and purposes for the ordinance this is coming back to you for a final public hearing next meeting and I would like to based on those conversations suggest a couple of changes to the ordinance the comments that you heard this morning I can't think of any of those comments that aren't part of the changes that I would recommend I've created a draft so so to speak so I can talk with these stakeholders about it and try to get things right that draft creates an exemption section and we proposed exempting apartment complex apartment complexes with more than four units and condominiums and and actually we are

going to suggest I advise that just based on the logistics of it that we exempt commercial as well I would bring you back a separate ordinance that just requires for condos apartments and commercial that they have a plaque that's accessible to the sheriff's office that has the contact information for a local owner or local property manager and when I say local you heard this morning several comments talking about property licensed legit property management owners from surrounding counties the sheriff chase and I have discussed it and although it may be a little bit more work to serve somebody in one of the surrounding counties we actually believe that a separate ordinance adopting the state regulations which requires property managers to be licensed real estate brokers what will be extremely helpful we feel like we're gonna get responses from people who actually are holding a real estate license that they're required to have an office and I've come to understand that one of my big problems is and one of code enforcement's big problems is these non illegitimate non licensed property managers you know John Smith sticks an index card up in his window at the mobile home park and says he's the property manager but he's not a licensed person and that park is owned by an entity who's out of state County etc etc so what I'm gonna suggest in the version that I proposed to bring back to you for adoption public hearing next meeting would create an exemption section it would exempt residential units owned or leased by federal state or local housing programs or by HUD it would exempt condos it would exempt apartments with more than four rental units what exempt commercial unless those apartments are marketing to transients meaning people that are staying for less than 30 days and don't have another permanent address somewhere else it would exempt churches you know churches have these lock-ins you know where they allow people to stay overnight churches that don't allow overnight stays more than three or four times a year is what I'm thinking commercial rental property owned by or leased a governmental unit and we I've also kind of worked through some of most of the issues that were mentioned this morning the trigger of 30 days and 10 days that's currently in the ordinance has been explained to me that that's logistical e difficult and I would suggest that we move it out to 30 days and 60 days for the Charter instead of 10 and 30 better to find vacant and what lawfully occupied means tweak the definition as was suggested this morning a property manager to require that to be a licensed real estate broker and we would make the effective date April 1st although in speaking with chase this morning they're ready to go live as of March 1st so people can kind of you know get the information about the link they can go in they can try to register and you know do all that

starting March 1st but the effective date of when they the requirement would kick in would be April first allowing property managers from abutting counties that are licensed as i spoken of and then i would bring you back a couple of follow up ordinances the first is i would duplicate the state law and prohibit a person from acting as a property manager without the proper licensure and then requiring apartments condos and commercial to have a notice posted permanently you know on the building that would provide contact information for either the owner if they're local and local meaning pasco or in the surrounding counties or a licensed property manager so it kind of takes out a lot of the people who aren't aren't really our problem it takes out logistical issues for apartments and commercial realtors who are dealing with tenants that may come in and out or things like that and and i think is more narrowly tailored at least at this point to address what is our current focus and problem I'm actually really excited about to discover that just not anybody can be a property manager that would be very helpful to me in the context of what I do so I appreciate the time that the representatives from the various real estate interests interests have spent with me educating me on some of some of the aspects of what they do and I just want I didn't want to have this discussion with you at the final public hearing but I wanted to tell you what changes that I'm advising that we make either legally like redefining things or to finding things better and get any feedback if anybody has a big heartburn about us opening it up to property managers from surrounding counties their property license or exempting apartment complex out as the over a certain size exempting commercial as long as we have the local contact that we need I think that for right now serves our purpose and it serves the sheriff's purpose and all that chase speak to the proposed changes so what I would do is edit the ordinance finally distribute you know to y'all and that would be part of the agenda but it just would be a different version from what you introduced in November good morning chase Daniels 8,700 citizen drive assistant executive director office of the sheriff Pasco Sheriff's Office first of all I want to thank Commissioner Wells for calling me this morning and Christie for your time this morning as Christie mentioned we are fully in support of these changes it gets us to where we wanted to be and we appreciate the the representatives from the from the various groups here today because we certainly don't want to you know impose on these groups are doing the right thing but as I said this does get us to where we need to be still gives us the teeth were looking for and we're excited about these changes about the additional ordinances that Christy's hammering forward and again just thank you for your time and support on us questions coming

well I was very encouraged that they're all in support of arguments and think we're doing the right thing so that's nice that that I think we're absolutely doing the right thing and I agree with all the little tweaks they they seem very reasonable we never wanted this to be onerous but we want to have a tool so thanks to everyone who came today I think we all got some emails too so most of them make a lot of sense just real quick thanks again I know Christy has taken a lot of time and I know you don't have anything else on your plate and we appreciate it on the Sheriff's Office its life safety I think all the stakeholders would agree that's what it's about and it is encouraging to hear everybody say they're in favor of it but and all these changes make sense I appreciate you taking the time to go meet with the stakeholders over and over again to listen to them because they're really the ones that are out there and they know the issues and the concerns and opportunities so thank you very much I did have one question yeah it's good to know connect those same sentiments you guys have done a great job working together on this getting the feedback from the public is what we wanted we want to get into ordinance with some teeth in it at the same time not be too onerous Oh congratulations on what you're doing that's not you and it may be to the gentleman behind you but uh what actually entails being a licensed property manager and and so then you can just call yourself a property manager if you're a broker if you're you can work under all sorts of things involved in being a broker you have to have an actual office yeah well my husband's a broker but he's not a property manager right I just didn't know if they had to go take additional no well if you're licensed real estate associates universities look for a brokerage apartments for example if there's more than ten units things you have to have a cam in addition to being a licensed real estate for a bird's eye you know yeah I don't know somebody else is the subject matter on all expert on all that I was just happy to find out that there's a licensure requirement at all to be a property manager yes I can assure you I haven't run into a legitimate one until I actually helped my stepson rent a house in the county over the holidays and I was like wow an actual licensed real estate property manager this is how it should be you know I recall when we were going through all the work that Alan crumbly telling me or telling us I'm not sure if they mention that at our workshop that on all their properties they put their management sticker and phone number I think on a decal on the window of the house and that's something to think about that they should have maybe this decal all right identifiers on a window in the front so just I think the people that are here would probably nod their heads YES on this but then they can't come to the front but yes we say a life a real estate brokerage brokerage is a broker that oversees licensed real estate company and sales

associates can oversee these properties they just have to be under up broken or broken yeah I don't know I mean I don't buy and sell real estate and help people but yes license may have worked out languages we need to be experts so I just again I didn't want to surprise y'all with a bunch of changes next week during the final public hearing I want to let you know that we've sort of scaled back and I'm gonna do some follow up ordinances regarding the licensure and regarding hosting instead of registering for some of these other things or any other questions on this before we move on there's no motion or anything today we're just adding now I think Jessie at changes to the assistant county attorney that she will exactly I got me that she will bring forward that she will bring for the next meeting right I'm not the policymaker or if there's any significant concerns or questions I wanted to give the board an opportunity to express those you don't have or are anything to change just go changing networking thank you nope just making suggestions and that's what will be more likely come forward and we will vote on it that's the next meeting in New Port Richey so all right well thank you all right appreciate it I do have a walk-on from the county attorney I need in motion security emergency what's gonna move I'm out a motion and second there give me a second one second yeah okay second all in favor aye all opposed same sign motion passes thank you hello Charles : utilities engineering director we were impacted by several states entered into an agreement with a bank that they manipulated interest rates and that particularly impacted our some bonds that we received and so what this agreement is is to enter into the the class-action lawsuit and to receive up to ninety five thousand dollars fortunately that lawsuit questions from the board no questions mr. chairman mr. Turner as with any of these class actions that the cost of litigation separate apart from the from the class is cost prohibitive and likely they're so the County Attorney's Office recommends the the the settlement that is proposed by the court for the for this bond issue in the net proceeds were again what was about ninety five thousand dollars and that would be returned to the to the solid waste fund since that was their bonds of their interest rate that their their interest payments that were at issue windfall we can do a budget with that Moe second second favor I hope Oh same sighs thank you okay it for the regular agenda items Alisa there's another one that sneaks in that I don't know about working on some different issues that's been going on I think you heard it again today when some people came and spoke publicly to us I have an issue with our customer service and whatever department you want to choose sometimes it seems like the citizen is trying to get an answer find out something about what they can do in certain areas it keeps coming up that

they can't get a hold of anybody nobody returning email and nobody return a call and I have an issue with that I think they deserve the right to be heard by our departments and I think they they need and they have the right to have an answer I don't think there won't the yes answer that everything they're asking about can it be happy I think they just want the right answer it's not a yes or no answer it's the right answer and I think they deserve that I think somehow mr. biles I guess we need to work on that through all the departments so I don't think it's just one department I probably some do better jobs at it than others but you heard the gentleman today could try to call somebody guys out on vacation well we understand that but somebody ought to be able to step in and take that call and give him an answer and he's just in limbo and a lot of our citizens are like that I I've been working with mr. biles and mr. Kabbalah about some issues I'm having with the way some of our inspectors are working with some of our landowners and our contractors and I take issue to the fact they don't seem to meet and work these things out it's a problem and it just doesn't you'd answer we have I've been hearing from some of the inspectors we're gonna have a new rewrite of the utility ordinance only to hear that it's out for peer review only to find out that no it's not still out for peer review that it's there's an email by Lenny nerd that says that the last stage to comment was somewhere around the 17th of December so that's back in in house and I want to be sure the spies don't make sure all these commissioners get this review of that ordinance for the utilities I won't see a red line where what we're changing if we're changing something and I want to work with these contractors and developers our citizens here in Pasco County I just think we're not doing as good a job as we should and somebody told me so that's just one that wants to reach out to you all time but yeah one reaches out to me a lot because you can't get answers can't get emails back and that's a fact but he's searching out for the right answer so he can do the job right I've actually gone to him told him he needs to reach out to his own engineer the developer that's the way you should be going and not the county because we're not answering back I mean he's not getting the answer as he needs I it's to the point on this one that I think that our county inspectors in UT Department are actually harassing the development they're out doing an inspection this morning on the lateral lines there wasn't called for wouldn't ask for they're just doing it and that was a surprise to me and I found out this morning but there's the email out there saying all this peer review of this new ordinance that we're going to write percent to us is coming I heard at first it was coming to us in January when in fact it's not here yet but the peer review the stakeholder review of this ordinance and the changes that are going

to happen have been completed and I guess that didn't put together to come to us yet but I want to make sure before that ordinance comes to us that we're all of understanding what it'll do to our development in Pasco County I don't think we want to make it harder for people to do it I don't think we want to make it more costly now do I think that probably should be some things tweet to be better so that we don't have maintenance issues down the road for the citizens that are going to be on those utilities I agree with that there should be better but they have a standard operating procedure they call SOP they don't come out with that standard operate it's not written it's just if something comes up they use that and most things can be cited by the inspector at the time and I take offense to the fact that that inspector can be upset at somebody and make it tough on a developer to get a job done I think we're finding that in our county and we're very busy I think we're up 20 percent or so on these building permits and issues but it's there's a lot going on but I think our inspectors should be able to work with these folks and and make it more I don't mean streamlined in the fact they do it wrong I mean streamline and they exactly what they have to do to get it right and so we don't have these hiccups all the time on these projects I think it's very important so I want to make sure mr. biles that we see that ordinance for coming back here to this board each of us so we know what's being changed because I've heard to the point it could cost developers up to 30% more cost if they tweak parameters and I don't quite understand those I'm another engineer but when you tweak them so much that's gonna cost somebody a lot of money to get that property developed we have a lot of properties developed in this county but I'm very interested in better customer service throughout our our system of government so if a man wants to speak to that or say anything well there's a lot of ground covered there Commissioner I'm yet obviously from time to time yo you know there's lag and customer service phone calls and emails I mean that happens a large group but we're working constantly to improve that across the enterprise I mean that's something we're constantly working on across the enterprise that's why our customer service group does with respect to inspections and technical standards we actually inspect development a lot less and I'm used to from my experience in other places so we leave a lot to the engineering record to inspect and so that's our method of inspection as we rely on the engineer record in contractors first role in a development is to go to the engineer record not to the inspector because I we come in at certain points in the process not the entire process so and I know the specific instance you're talking about and in there are specific things that we can talk about offline with that contractor that has some some things going on there the utility is updating their technical standards that's normal

practice as standards change as materials change as the products change you go through and review and update that part of that is their job is to protect the ratepayer and the mighty repair spends with respect to future current and future maintenance and so we need to make sure that when we take over a system that is something to maintain for the expected life of the system you know we shouldn't be in on a water line or a wastewater line five years after installation making repairs or in the case we've spent over five million dollars over the last two years on things that were well short of their expected design life we shouldn't be doing that those things should be last and passed they're expected in design license so part of that is we're looking our standards to see where we need to tweak them to make sure we're getting the material and the products that we expect and that we're not causing our ratepayers additional cost by accepting things that are going to require maintenance sooner than they should be based on the design standards now where that is in the review process I'm not sure they've not come to me to brief me on the changes of that so you know that I think that's still they're still taking the stakeholder input and reviewing that right now so where that is I don't know what that is no timeline I assume that would come to me before we brought it to the board well the problem I had was mr. Cabala he's in charge of you to the department he didn't know that that peer review was over in mid-december even last night I talked to him on the phone about it I was aware of it if you would have asked me I wouldn't know neither well I yeah I couldn't understand that but not the man this or that department I was well I mean he's over the branch there's a department director and then someone running that process right yeah it's he's not gonna know every date either there was there an area in Pasco somewhere in Pasco somebody told me that that we had a lot of maintenance issues issues and for utilities whatever wait I mean back not anything recent but mhm that caused a lot of issues I'd have to go recentiy I don't know talk my head yeah yeah yeah get yours who did the inspection cuz that that bothers me if if we had an area that was falling apart it seems like it didn't get inspected I think you do a pretty good job when we do go out with respect I just think they need to be more customer service well there's a specific instance that you're referring to with a specific contractor that we're working through some issues yeah okay Commissioner Wilson let me let me just start off by this I'm glad you brought enough commissioner Oakley we have an unbelievable team our team does a great job it's it's a few it's a few folks that make it difficult and I can tell you for instance when I sit in pre-op meetings I know it's different than if I wasn't there that should not be the case and again we have a lot a great team when we get involved with something when

I get a phone call staffed jumps and makes things happen but what my concern is what about the other 100 to 3 400 companies that are trying to visit with the county that don't know to get with the Commissioner they shouldn't have to and again we've got a great team when they get to the right person they get things done but we are in the customer service business all 56 lines of business we're in the customer service business and 99 percent of us get it it's just a few bad apples that could be inspectors that I've been to job sites where the inspectors it's almost like they work hard to say no and again I don't know where it starts and the land development code sides another issue but again we've come a long way dr. Bellis has done an unbelievable job since I've got a year with policy improvement cuz it was crazy when I got here but I guess what I'll say and I've said it several times is I don't want to see us get back to the recession I wasn't here Commissioner Starkey was and so is Commissioner Mariano and I know it's tough times we have laid people off our employees need to understand when somebody needs something we work for them that's if people look the phone's not ringing if people aren't saying hey I need you come out inspect it's it's it could be a lot worse so they need to grasp that thank these folks every opportunity they get and we're always gonna agree but I think our job is to try to find a way to say yes ethically life safety wise we should be saying yes and thanking these developers these small business owners that are trying to expand not try to make it more difficult than again I want to be very clear we've got a great team we've come a long way since mr. bile has been here but we definitely have room for improvement and and it just it just breaks my heart sometimes when folks come to me and then kind of like today what you heard and I don't know what happened with staff but I'll bet you it probably got handled that should not happen this gentleman should have been able to get this handled without coming to us without coming to Commissioner Mariano because staff he's trying to expand this business it's gonna be big more tax base more jobs not to mention the west side of the county so but again we have a great team most of our team is unbelievable so thank you but those ones that we could we have to do something about it you know I think where we really need to be mindful is when we have someone who comes to us for example Jeremy this morning who's not a developer but wants to expand and I and because my sister-in-law went through this and that we make it easy for them to understand the process and not have to go back and back and back and back and I I know we talked about having some kind of form that shows the easy steps and and anything we can do to simplify it especially for that small business owner that isn't you know used to the development process I think it's a good thing so thank you I'll just open one thing and I think when it comes to talk about rewriting the land

development code and going through that process we do want to make it obviously more streamlined easier for this everyday person like you just said Commissioner start to be able to come in and understand it and if they have a small project not to have to hire a land use attorney or a you know high-priced engineering firm to get through the process so I think that's one of the reasons why we want to look at the lien development code obviously staff has to follow they're currently in development code how it's written and they have to hear that because that is the policy but I know that's one of the things we're trying to work towards is is you know make it a little easier and that's this more said that records and we made we give that direction to help rewrite that land development code and if I'm not correct where we've started that process now well I mean we're constantly making changes the boards Conley make change that improves the processes in the land of elenco we do do that pretty consistently bring you amendments that would clean stuff up that make it easier to get their stuff so yeah make it more missed rated what does to your point you're saying so one more thing sorry well just I want to finish this out but yeah and I think you bring up a good point so I get a few scenarios okay discuss that is just dead on point and one of you saw today I mean literally with mr. Harding trying to build his insurance company going over he gets a physical engineer to tell him you can't go put a retention air you're gonna cause more concentration to Ted sink hole already and then nowhere in our code does it say you have to be stronger than Swift but that we can be and even though we're not there the engineer is saying for us that you have to do this in the edges on his private side so you know we don't it's been going for six months and I don't have a good result today but that's the type of thing that's we've got to kind of watch we got to try to find a way to help things get done based upon what's there or not make stuff up just because we don't like it when we did the boatyard rezoning years ago in Hudson we la goes for Lots in the water and the county staff says okay we're gonna take the plats going to switch them over so that the people can develop their own Lots they put a beautiful sea wall which again we our engineer fought us from the get-go not matching the same height finally we go through that the sea home sea wall height is the same across the board it looks follow first guy comes in to go build house goes through the steps has trouble with some things with permanent does a phenomenal job from a building but he puts a retaining wall in gets a permit for it but separate from the other thing and a little confusion about it so staffs trying to tell them you got to take it down and I met with them and that would staff ahead of time didn't want to meet with the project cuz we're afraid of liability from my end of what am I to testify so I step down I get back out from a call and they tell the person that if you go get a licensed

engineer to say this is okay to be safer with this with the retaining wall that knot will be okay won't cause a run up he gets the engineer the in device in since the plans in stamps them certified that this is why it's safe this is why it'll work you'd have to worry about the run-up that's not going to cause erosion it's safer with it in there and then what do we say we're gonna go hire an engineer to go study his report to go see what's going to go on makes no sense we've got to get things find a way to help people get through and if they've been an engineer it's going to take the liability get the thing done Mike Malick goes into the Gulf he comes in well we're gonna do when we did the phenomenal job of the the stormwater stuff on Clark Street we did the repaving that areas like just fantastic right now if just the drainage works great everything looked great we found when we were doing that that around his edge of the property part of his parking spots wrote word lists where the roadways were properties the way the line was drawn years ago he's been using these things for 30 40 plus years of that business before him and after him and he wants to go add on his bill double the size of the restaurant up above all elevated water it'll be the ultimate place to go in West Pasco to go have dinner and look over the Gulf and he goes to the variance process for like six eight months attorney's office grabs and say now don't you that one should go instead of getting the variance to the vacation we do the vacation you get to the end point and now they pull the right back again no I think it should go back to the variance thing we don't need to probably don't need the land the board gave direction to go Brinks bring it back to us to come forward we still haven't got it six months ago so you know I I know our staffs doing a great job but we need to empower them and encourage them bit look these permits are good these improvements are good let's find a way to get them done and if there's a problem with the code of what's out there let's go get this suggestion and bring it back to fix it because we know from the patchworked ordinances that were modified and modified and modified we do have a lot of band-aids over there but there's got to be a better way to get this done I don't think we should be sitting on projects taking six months to get a project forever if we get all if we live with that busy let's get the other ones going to and I'll give you one other thing Hudson Avenue Hudson on us 19 can you imagine someone trying to come in here but a residential business residential Lots right off the nineteen would it be a good thing yeah improve the demographics I got a guy who's brought back the thing twice to me I brought it back to staff last month brought the staff let's go get a meeting set up no meetings up yet so we need to get more responsive and commissioner open and budget brought it

up we need to go and then you've done a phenomenal job but these are the issues that are that are out there just one thing that just staff does a great job don't get me wrong they do a great job I just think we need to work fine-tuning that customer service part of our job so I just I think it's very important it stands out more cause it's more visible to our citizens by giving them the right answer I think I think we work toward that and making things a little smoother to work through I'm not asking anyone to make it of where they do things wrong because I don't want the maintenance in the future and I want things to move through smoothly for the citizens that's very important and I thought again we do a great job this staff does a great job I depend on them I depend on them get good answers and for answers and sometimes I have to wonder when when some of the things come out we see there that does great job Thank You mr. Starkey okay so we have citizens enjoying the Starkey gap trail before it's open I think it's going to be very popular but I I think we may have messed up a little bit and didn't put any trail heads on that trail so we have folks who are lining up along Trinity Boulevard and in the pulling off the road there to park their cars to right on the closed trail so I think we need to be thinking about finding some place to put a parking lot so I hope to meet with Keith and whomever I don't you know we haven't really defined who owns what yet but I don't even know who to talk to with the county about working on a plan for a parking lot or parking right on the trail but I think we need to get that discussion going quickly and we are planning a big celebration for the official ribbon-cutting of that trail and as you know Ralph is on the state greenways and trails Council who wants to plan their spring meeting around the ribbon-cutting we were going to try for the January meeting but we just didn't make that in time so I want to make sure we put a little committee together and make sure that that ribbon-cutting is a really noteworthy event because this connects the biggest piece of the coast to coast rail which is a major state effort to connect st. Petersburg to Titusville and I think we should be inviting former Senate President Steve what was his last name laughs Steve the one who put this together he's a he's a cyclist from the other side of the state yeah Chris Foley and others to come to come and an experience that the coast of coast trail so I look forward to getting that date settled what when will you know that date Ralph okay all right great but I do think we should start talking about finding a place for people to park and also the signage and there was a time when the tourism department had put aside money to have signage on the coast to coast trail that is every counties responsibility to put the signage up using the designated logo and and the person who's in charge of that that works over at the EDC and I don't know who's in charge of that anymore

so we I have no idea what plans we have for signage and wayfinding along the trail and if the money is still set aside for that so I have those questions mr. administrator following up on the work I started when we went to Washington last year I have continued to work on the Willowbrook court solution and we've had two state calls with the people up in Tallahassee and we have identified some routes for funding cdbg-dr with Irma Irma infrastructure program the cdbg-dr mitigation funding and a new FEMA program called building resilient infrastructure and human or Brit it's a new program that states rolling out and they think that this could be a good source of funds and maybe a pilot program for that new program the grant pool is expected to open in the fall of 2020 that's kind of far for people to have to wait to walk into their houses every day so we're gonna be meeting with the state officials and the Pasco e/m staff again next week on another state conference call and continue to look for the quickest solution we can find Jack to help your constituents there later today I'm heading to the Tampa Bay Regional Planning councils was in the resiliency Leadership Summit I'm having dinner with some of those people that were there Mike my legislative a danny is there now making notes for me but you know it's commissioners especially on the coastline something we need to pay attention to how we make sure that at least the the west side of the county is as a brazillian as it can be and something kind of interesting I keep waiting here for the follow-up but I received an invitation away to have one more thing oh I have I have asked the county attorney's office and the Development Office for a list of ordinances in construction and suggested dates of when they will come to us aye aye I talked to Morgan this morning we don't think we've received that I think this is like the third time I've asked for this so I would like to see a list of the ordinances that each of those departments is working on and a suggested date when we will see it and I and once we have this list I think we want to talk about timelines on these things and how if we need to tweak something to help the different departments get these through because sometimes you start talking about something and we don't see it for years so I'm just kind of where we are on some of the ordinances that are under review commissioner I can give you a list of the ordinances that are in my office I don't have a timeline for for when they're coming forward as we're working on them we bring one forward we move to the next one well I think it's important that we have an idea of how long it takes okay and and also in the higher hierarchal high all right hierarchy of those ordinances because we know we have different tiers and so the ones that are and that is true of the development aside the ones that are in my office it's a first come first there okay unless you all express that there's a priority it's when the

Commissioner brings it to the board they go on the list we bring it forward all right and I think I would like the County Attorney's associated with each ordinance because that way if I have some dialogue I want to have that I've come across that I think is pertinent to it I know who the right person is to talk to okay and I guess that's I don't know how that works in the development office but I think we should I think we should get these like quarterly I'd like to see these quarterly where we are then this morning talking to the Gulf harbors Civic Association board members they brought to my attention that the dock contractors are having a really difficult time and wanted to see what we could do to help address their issues and maybe we need to have a meeting with our building Department and our code think it's more a building department not to code Department because there are there are something there they are having a lot of challenges and they're very frustrated so there bro well apparently there are no this is what I was told this morning but I have not on it there are no building codes for docks and the states for that so I'm not sure how we're regulating that but but they have had a very frustrating time but getting their permits and I will thank code enforcement they went out to go farmers because we have two two docks under construction right now unpermitted and they put stop orders on on them but I think we need to have a little meeting with the dock contractors and see what we can do to listen to their grievances and so lastly I've received a very special invitation and I'm waiting for the confirmation I responded one hour after I got it so hopefully I got it in time because it's first-come first-served but I will not be joining you on Pasco days because I've been invited to witness President Trump signing the China trade abort so hopefully be up in the Oval Office with my camera and representing Pasco watching that um that that trade deal I'm just gonna fly up in the morning and fly back in the evening but I'm really honored to be invited to witness it let us know how it goes great wishing wells okay um just want to let you know in another community cleanups we've all had in our districts has been working out great we're gonna have another community cleanup in Moon Lake the weekend of February 1st again I think it's worked out great I want to thank staff for the great job they've done to make that happen over the entire weekend for all of us but I'm also meeting with FWC myself Keith that I'm on Monday to discuss the scallop season you'll see we can do to to work on extending that season because it would be nice to have a 30-day season and I think that we've proven Pasco is resilient with the scallop population and so I'm confident that meetings gonna go very well and I just have to say you know I live off in Lake Road yesterday I was telling Dan I'm driving and actually saw some surveyors for the Reg Road extension

very very exciting on it we've all worked very hard for many many years for that so I'm excited to have the ribbon-cutting on Monday and if you look at the I know we all got the timeline and one thing I've been talking to Dan about I know it's a priority for us as a county on the school board Katherine I know your kids want the River Ridge I mean it's it's a life safety issue of getting in and out of River Ridge so the priority will be to have that road you know Town Center Boulevard connected by the start of school year for 2021 which is very important to obviously the principal's the kids the parents and I have no doubt we'll be able to get that done Margaret and team and you know and mr. biles so thank you that's it mr. mayor Thank You mr. chairman on Sunday I went to a ribbon kind of a ribbon-cutting celebration you might want to say for the hip apartments they've been open for 15 years places immaculate they were doing a presentation they had a national leader from the hippo down they've got like 90 properties across the country this one here was helped by the couch host family they actually bought the land and kind of held onto it until they could actually make it happen so they're very pleased with it and listen to the presentation they brought up a subject that was very concerning to me and one of the things I mentioned was during a hurricane event they've got to take those people and evacuate them because they don't have a generator they can supply them for seven days of power which I found very concerning and my thinking is no it's a low-income housing project for seniors and if they have that problem I'm wonder if we have the problem elsewhere so I'm having mr. faucitt take a look at that situation how to get resolved and I will tell you if we want we want to get that result because these are people that everyone says you could stay in your own homes the best place to be they have to move pets if they're on oxygen you get a move-on Sargen they gonna make supplies it makes a whole myriad rings harder for a hurricane event so I want to try to take a look at that you may be something coming back on that coming forward that's your question on that independent living is not an assisted living facility because if it's assisted living to require by statute it's a generator yeah I think they're independent so even the independence folks look into that there may be there may be if there's a senior apartment senior apartment yes it's one thing well there's then then they probably don't know they're not following that statute then if there's a there really a 55 without communities or your site for a 65 65 I'm a mature the age there's if there's any medical relation that they fall under octave guidelines or or if they're under their licensure then they're required to have the generators that was written here right system of this may be a little worse was able to

land on file for them right Jack um I think that a great place to go for resources is to talk with Marcy and see if HUD may have some funding for something like that um and we can use our contacts up at the intergovernmental affairs office up in Washington to see if there's some source of funding to help low-income senior housing get generators yep where I was gonna go with this kind of why I brought it out so good okay thank you let's see the Port Richey situation as far as the dredging goes the canals the project with the BP restrike money we've met with staff over the past couple of months we've met with our consultant we take a look at it we have determined that the connection from the big storm water pond the Sun right in the heart of Chris Drive with that canal directly connects that we dredged out during Hurricane Maria to the north part there's a pipe that connects to a drain that connects to the Gulf so there's a connection there down to the south part there's another connection where the canal comes all the way down to mouths Boulevard goes to the south to a ditch that goes across the street toward the Gulf and connects into a KL connects to the Gulf done by the Gil dog channel that channel itself connects directly with our storm water system connecting this you know same ol area so it's determined now that we know we have those connections we know we can get the cooperative funding it may work it's going to work directly with the poor Ricci alcohol project it runs from Magnolia Valley all the way out to connect the two together to get the water out to the Gulf so it's going to take a little bit to put everything together but it's not that is doable instead of just ending up with one channel with that dredging money we're gonna be able end up with four or five and at the same time we can also add in front of whiskey whiskey Joe's with as his sandbar that's in front wasn't part of their plan that can get fixed in front of catches there's another position that they can catch get fixed as well so I want you to know what working on this thing it's gonna take a little bit of time but that's exactly where we stand right now we're gonna keep on moving forward with the appropriate agencies to keep it to keep it driving forward and we covered all the other things I was going to cover thanks for mr. Oakley okay thank you sir all right mr. balzone you have a presentation you elected yep I got a couple things someone I go through real quick one is a reminder which I think somebody else mentioned earlier that Pascoe day is next Wednesday and Ralph is working on finalizing the schedule don't have it yet but that's pretty normal with session starting on Tuesday so real quick when I go through this is the first board meeting since we got the permit would and I'm getting a lot of questions on milestones and deadlines etc etc one day can I go through the milestones real quick on this and then with the year closing out on permitting

last Wednesday I got some permit numbers that you may be interested to see that kind of tells you what the community thinks of the economy based on the number of permits they're pulling and some of the values so real quick the the first three milestones you see or the contractual milestones with our country I'm sorry go back yeah the first three are the contract milestones that are in our contract with with Corning gram and while the date for the town center boulevard says a 16th and yes I realize that's after school starts we believe we will be able to get at least two lanes of traffic if not all four lanes open before school starts even if they're not all done and buttoned up with that section so we're working with that we'll work with a school district to make sure we get that happening and remember these are those three milestone dates are dates where if they hit that date there is no incentive with meeting that milestone they you have the bonuses daily in a dish enforce that so that these are zero dates so if they hit the sixteenth there's no there's no bonus so if they beat that date there's a bonus so that's what these dates are they're not the first date so the two lanes to Suncoast which also includes to the entrance to the Mafia next caliber piece then the four lanes to Suncoast buttoned-up all done what that does is gets us two lanes of traffic to Suncoast by the hurricane season in 21 which means we get contraflow and put two lanes one-way on that in the event of an evacuation event pretty easily because there are no really stubs to that road outside of town center and then four lanes the complete project done the following year the next few milestones are based on the timelines that are in the development agreement as well as the capital budget for lanes to Sun Lake as part of the development agreement with between us and Lynn Angeline and the Moffitt plays a role in and then the four lanes the u.s. 41 are based on that's when the capital budget is funded to 23 and 24 for the final part of phase 2 so we would expect traffic to be open in late 25 on that so I just wanted to kind of have everybody have the milestones so that you had them and so that's kind of an update so yes ma'am um now I understand that the first two lanes were building are the north side and because the bike trail is on you know me it's all perspective the bike trail is on the south side yes ma'am the goal of that middle milestone is to be able to move traffic in the hurricane season to evacuate the shared paths will be built and finished with the four lanes to Suncoast so it will be built as part of the project but the focus for the first 18 months is to be able to get drivable lane so that we can evacuate in 21 if we need to yeah no yeah no yes yes it is a is the westbound side that we are building so the north side of the right we were building first because that would be the one that would be set up for contraflow anyway so and I want to remind everybody

again that Swift mud the former team at Swift mud had mentioned to us that we could have the trailhead at Ridge and the Suncoast I'm sure and want to make sure that as we're doing the engineering that we take advantage of that high-end dry property that does not have the restrictions that the rest of the park has because that was d-o-t property bought separate from the serra Nova track and then they gave it back just with mud so it doesn't have the environmental rules on it that the rest of the property and we will work on that as a separate project that's all on Ridge Road I can go through the building permit numbers are you have them did you yeah okay I just really try to get us all done it well just because you guys have to leave yeah I'll be leaving at the lunch break Jean I tried to read your planning council yeah there's a chance I think that if we get some developer with help contributions this could move quicker especially Phil it's 41 - right well the the the development agreement with Lynn Angeline gives them the opportunity to build it faster than what those milestones are those milestones are there as if the county is going to build it on our time frame but the the option for them to build to 41 is in the development agreement for that they can do no I I don't know if that's going to happen I think the focus is getting the road to Sun Lake Boulevard and then get something Boulevard built down south I would not I would not go out there and tell people we're gonna get all the way to 41 in 22 or 23 I think the 25 is a backstop and if it happens earlier great but 25 the backs off but I think is the folks over Karan if they want to see that connection happen they mace may try to work an agreement with us to help fund it to get they're quicker yeah always possibly have it always possible to cover always possible there's no restriction to that we can't do it yeah so so that's that real quick from is hi I won't go through all the slides just a couple points single-family home permitting was up 21% year over year which as you know that leads to new construction valuations there's typically a two year lag between when something gets a permit and when it hits the tax rolls but this gives us an idea that the Builder community thinks that the economy is still headed in the right way because they are still pulling the tremendous amount of permits from a new single-family home construction perspective if you go into the next slide I just won't pull out these our permit values so that's not what the homes are selling for but you'll notice that in nineteen the permit value exceeded 300 thousand dollars per permit for the first time on average so not only are we building more we're building higher value now we can have a separate discussion about affordable housing but that's not this is not the time to do that so what this is good from a again they're not only just building more they're bullet more expensive houses which from it the builders are thinking that the economy is still gonna be

did tambry but drove his own Tahoe with the with the pet to drive the pet today they give it to her just to get there as quick as we could because she couldn't get get to it and that was kind of the problem it happened as far as trying people trying to help her get her pet but I want to say in that I found out and I want to do a special resolution coming up Kathy 2012 who were 38% as far as saving our pets we had a goal to hit 90 we've hit save 90 or over 90% now so Kathy your team Dan phenomenal job that said dozens of that was a high high reaching goal to hit and I will tell you with dogs even pit bulls were at 95% so I just want to give a shout out to them we got a phenomenal team to do great work out that train Mike's entire team they did great and when I first elected we were elected in 2014 from day one I could imagine the amount of emails we received from yeah folks in the community know you know before it was daily y'all weren't here when Commissioner Larry to bring those dogs that appear on the counter especially in the other office and when we would go down for photos Jack I don't remember that she would bring up the dogs down from the shelter yep they were in the it was a thing very good with that we're on break okay [Music]

[Applause] thank you everybody could please silence your electronic devices at this time we now proceed with the public hearing agenda starting with item p1 ordinances by the clerk and you have three four items warning we do it was published in the Tampa Bay Times on October 11th of 2019 thank you good afternoon I should say good afternoon Denise Hernandez Planning and Development before you as PDD 2000 3:9 in ordinance and then the impassible County Comprehensive Plan providing for large-scale comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use map map 2-15 is she 20 changing from res three residential three dwelling units per gross acre 200f office on approximately twelve point eight one acres today we're asking you to adopt the proposed comprehensive plan amendment amending the future land use CP al 1915 and we're asking to do that by roll call vote Denyce behind you sorry good afternoon Katie call representing the applicant we are happy to answer any questions but concur with all the information that's in this question seeing none this is a public hearing that you don't have anybody sign at this time as any look would anybody like to speak to this item see notice the board know for proof flag it's a role call motion a second yeah okay district one Commissioner oakley i district for you Commissioner Starkey I district for commissioner well our district five commissioner mariano district two chairman warren motion passes mr. chairman would you like me yes on the procedures I would like you to do that there are two rezoning agenda 30 rezoning agendas regular and consent staff will present each application to the Board of County Commissioners if staff or Planning Commission has recommended approval and there is no opposition the application will be considered by the board without further presentation if staff or Planning Commission has recommended denial or if there is opposition to the applicant cap location the applicant will be given five minutes for presentation the opposition will be given three minutes for each individual or five minutes for a group representative and the applicant will be given three minutes for rebuttal any individual disagreeing with staff or Planning Commission recommendation or anyone wishing to object to any condition of the rezoning may at this time request the petition be pulled from the consent agenda in which case that application will be heard under the regular agenda later on during meeting otherwise all rezoning applications on the consent agenda will be approved by a single motion in both if you wish to speak to any petition please give your name and address and whether or not you've been sworn for the record these are quasi-judicial public hearings the law in Florida is that mere public support or opposition of an location is insufficient for this board to take action please limit your comments to those criteria found within

the board's land development yeah thank you if you're gonna speak to these items please stand up and be sworn in by the clerk please okay raise your right hand do you swear or affirm that you will that the testimony you're about to give is the truth so help you God thank you today have nine public hearing items on the consent agenda this these items will be approved with one vote without a presentation unless there is someone here to object items P 6 P 14 on the consent agenda Lana clerk do we have proof yes sir do you would you like proof on all the adjustments okay so starting it for P 6 yes okay item P 6 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on November 8 2019 item p 7 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on November 29th 2019 p 8 was published in the Tampa Bay Times in November 29th 2019 P 9 Tampa Bay Times November 29th 2019 November I'm sorry P items 10 11 12 13 and 14 were all published in the Tampa Bay Times on November 29th 2019 thank you madam clerk mr. Hernandez yeah sure item p2 SPD d 20 cu 11 Hodgkin Mirsad Mucha this is going to be a request for continuance the January 21st 2020 BCC meeting at 1:30 a new port richey p3 PDD 2001 1 3 it's for coastal landfill disposal of Florida for a mining operating permit and conditioning conditional use permit amendment this is a continuance request with February 18 2020 VCC meeting at 1:30 in New Port Richey P 4 P D D 2002 0 6 large-scale comprehensive plan amendment CP al 1916 little lake Thomas this is a request for continuance of February 18th 2020 BC C meeting 130 new port richey second emotion the second continue all in favor aye although since I was you PDD 2735 to Paul materials and PUD this is a request for continuance to a date uncertain would continue second most in the second continuous item all in favor okay so much PC P 6 P DD 27 for four threes 5050 four crossings MP UD master plan unit development Colwell Avenue properties for this is a rezoning from an MP UD master plan unit development district to MP UD master plan unit development district to allow 150 mm 895 square feet of professional office on approximately twenty two point one six comes to you with a recommendation of approval with conditions from both the Planning Commission and the Planning and Development Department is there anyone here this wishes to speak in opposition to this item CNN legal consent p7s PDD 27 4 5 0 crusin douglas LLC it's for a change in zoning from a CI referral district to an AR 5 agricultural residential district this comes through with a recommendation of approval from the Planning Commission and the Planning and Development Department pas PVD twenty seven four five one in the name of Duke Energy Florida LLC it's a change in zoning from an i1 light industrial park district and a PUD planning at development district to an i1 wide industrial park district comes through with a recommendation of approval from the Planning and Development Department and the Planning Commission here is to

speak in opposition to this item I just wanted to make a comment who's here from our Terrace here but we had talked about actually taking this whole area and doing an industrial overlay rather than having these poppies parcels come here independently so because there's no doubt that that's what's going on there so I'd like to make sure that we move that forward and do a County initiated project there rather than have each individual person like anybody heard speaking the opposition in this item see you none no consent p9 SPD d 27 four five two Word of Life Fellowship ll Inc change in zoning from AC agricultural and a our agricultural residential districts to an AC agricultural district comes to with a recommendation of approval from the Planning and Development Department and the Planning Commission anybody here to speak in opposition to this item p10 is PDD twenty seven four five threes taylor and sue simpson for a change in zoning from an r1 rural density residential district to a c2 general commercial district it comes through with a recommendation of approval from the Planning and Development Department and the Planning Commission you bet here to speak to opposition or in opposition this item p11 is PDD 1227 for 35 ll Ellis CCM PUD connected city master plan unit development Cedric Ellis this is a rezoning from an AC agricultural district to a CCM PUD connected city master plan unit development district to allow 400 residential dwelling units multiple family townhomes on approximately seventy three point 36 acres one hundred and six thousand 817 square feet of office medical office Hotel accessory non-residential uses and/or any primary target industry on approximately four point zero two acres comes to you with a recommended recommendation of approval with conditions from the Planning and Development Department and the Planning Commission anybody here to speak in opposition to this item P 12 SPD d 20 C u 12 315 Hialeah LLC evergreen Plaza for the sale of alcoholic beverages beer and wine on-premises consumption in conjunction with the operation of a retail Plaza with outside seating area and service of alcoholic beverages in a covered courtyard in a c2 general commercial district comes to with a recommendation of approval with conditions from the Planning Commission and the Planning and Development Department anybody go to speak in opposition to side P 13 as PDD 2001 9 0 chapel crossings PUD master plan unit development district development agreement and this is an amendment to the development agreement between Pasco County and thorne & Associates LLC in connection with the development of chapel crossings master plan units development a master plan unit development district consisting of four thirty one point two nine acres approved for 1,100 residential units 175,000 square feet of retail commercial uses and 50,000 square

feet of office comes through with a recommendation of approval with conditions from the local planning agency and the Planning and Development Department anybody here to speak about position is IO see you now Nouveau cuisine item P 14 as PDD 2002 61 on this item the you're authorizing transmittal of the proposed comprehensive plan amendment and that's for mango Hill CP al in 1902 large scale comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use maps 2-15 and sheet 14 changing from RoR retail office residential res 3 and il light industrial to residential 12 units per gross acre good job all those in a second I have one question I'm just double-checking item I think one of them is in my district and not just a flier I was just going to it and that is to 12 just making sure Coventry Drive good we're trying to tell research and we'll double racket and correctly diploid easy for the record record thank you thank you okay have a motion a second all in favor aye all opposed him some P 15 last and final the day I get afternoon Patrick gutter Planning and Development Department this is the bell-like MPD pd d twenty seven four four eight this is the location map you'll see it's at the intersection of Belle Lake Road and Alpine Road it's just a mile east of Hana Lakes Boulevard so Land O'Lakes Boulevard is off this way so this is the current zoning of the parcel and surrounding the parcel you'll see it's mostly lighter dense zoning on the northern side there's MPT to the south and MPD further to the east as well the future land use in the area is already six out there so as per the applicants request proposed or is a request for rezoning for an r1 royal residential zoning district to an MPD Master Planning and Development District for the development of 27 single-family detached residential units so this is the master plan that's being proposed I'm going to leave this up just to talk about the one second just talk about finding a faxing leave this up this probably a better tool to use to speak to it so the site is approximately nine point four six eight acres of vacant unimproved land of that seven point nine three acres is upland and one point five two acres is wetland the applicant is proposing three point four zero dwelling units per developable acres the applicant proposes the main access to the subject property she'll be off Alpine Road so that is that is right out here and you can see belle lake is down here and just an FY they are required to put eternally non Bell link road as well the project is located in the Central Market area it's just outside the boundary of the urban service area so the urban service area is on the southern side of Bell Lake Road so this item was let me get to it so the item was heard by the Planning Commission on November 21st the item was pulled from the consent agenda as there were public comments the Planning Commission unanimously recommended

denial with the justification that the proposed development specifically the lot sizes were not compatible with the surrounding area after the Planning Committee and Commission recommendation the applicant has increased the lot sizes from 35 foot loss to 40 foot Lots as well as further restriction further restricted the project from the original 32 dwelling units to $27 units staff continues to recommend approval for the canoe with the project for the following reasons one the existing future land use classification out there is res 6 as the area calls for a density much higher than what the applicant is proposing staff feels the transition of density is appropriate within this area and seconds in an effort to provide a buffer between the existing larger lot residential homes and the proposed Lots a conscious effort was made to cluster the new Lots closer to the rights-of-way so of Belle Lake and Alpine Road away from the existing Lots up there and again the purpose was to create a natural buffer of existing trees there's a category 3 wetland there and the new stormwater ponds so PDD recommends approval I believe the applicant has a PowerPoint PowerPoint as well that they like to go over and I'm available for any questions if anyone has anything yes ma'am into the record please please do for item 15 it was published in the Tampa Bay Times on November 8 2000 nineteen thank you thank you your appreciate it so the applicant has a presentation now let me just State this up real quick too is I don't have anybody signed up for this item is there anybody in the audience because all I see a staff and two other applicants that it's going to speak on this item just so I'm aware okay so you're giving extra time I don't know if you need your extra time because I don't see anybody you're speaking out position right now totally up to you well keep it in a very concise version if I may mr. chairman oh thank you mr. chairman commissioners mr. minister clerk Todd Pressman 200 second Avenue South in st. Petersburg I'm here today with Eric Swanson eric is the land managers from AMH development and again we'll keep this on a concise basis critically what I could tell you is that we did respond back from the Planning Commission and a couple neighbors that were there I did notice over 90 neighbors and by my memory we only have two at the meeting so we did reduce this from 32 to 27 we also increase a lot with which were the two major issues this is a development that's designed for workforce housing families and I think critically it's far below the land-use category Lane's category allows res 6 we come in about we come in much lower than that your staffs done a good job of orienting you we are bringing it in now with the 27 units you can see the entire areas where as six so we're coming now at two point eight five units per acre there is to the west is Belle Harbor which is our three units per acre to the east disable Ridge at four units per acre this is the product I'll just introduce quickly to Eric Erica talk to

us for a minute about the the development mr. chairman members of the Commission as Todd mentioned my name is Eric Swanson land manager for AMH development I just want to orient myself to this doohickey here yeah so this these are represent front elevations of product specifically it's a 30 - 1859 it's actually a strong representation of what we'll have programmed at this site here's another elevate front elevation of a larger project product which is just shy of 2,400 square feet and here's another representation as well am I doing this right by going forward all right we have any questions and you have to go provide more information the Commission so needs is anybody here to speak to this I will ask once again okay it's back to the bore actually back to staff do anything else we let the close with okay ii have a motion in a second on the favor iii-i'm side motion passes I think this chairman thank you okay with that larger thank you I got in send me pictures we screwed my ticket up and back [Music] [Applause] [Music]