11.05.19 Pasco BOCC Meeting

[Music] good morning everyone I would like to call to order of the Pasco County Board of County Commissioners meeting of November 5th 2019 I would like everyone remind everyone to please silence all electronic devices at this time and would like to ask you to stand with me for the invocation and the pledge Oh merciful creator your hand is open wide to satisfy the needs of every living creature make us thankful for your loving Providence and grant that we remembering the count that we must one day give may be faithful stewards of your good gifts amen Madame clerk please call the roll district to Commissioner Mike Moore district 3 Commissioner Katherine Starkey here district 4 Commissioner Mike wells district 5 Commissioner Jack Mariano here district 1 chairman Ron Oh bleep here now is the time for public comment citizens given opportunity to come in on any item coming before the board during this public comment section the board also takes public comment items placed on future board agenda and other business under their purview public comment for public hearing items will be taken this afternoon at 1:30 p.m. individual speaking during public comment will be given three minutes to speak after stating your name and address for the clerk the timer located on the podium will start a countdown after two minutes one beat will sell light will change from green to yellow letting you know that you have one minute remaining after the timer is is uh two minutes to beeps will sound the light will change from yellow to red indicating that three minutes are up and you should close your comments now I've got a sign-up sheet that no one has signed up is there anyone in the audience wish to speak at this public comment time seeing no one we will move on to the section with the consent and I have a four seat resolution resolution we've changed it now it's time for resolution so is anyone here for the North Tampa Bay chamber of commerce if so come on the podium group so this is resolution to 0.019 of resolution by the Board of County Commissioners of Pasco County Florida congratulating the North Tampa Bay Chamber of Commerce of honest recognition as the 2019 Chamber of Commerce of the year whereas North Tampa Bay Chamber of Commerce represents an area that includes Pasco County and has over 800 current members and whereas their mission is to provide valuable services to their members advocate for a positive business community and sustain and further develop a thriving economy for the North Tampa Bay region and whereas the North Tampa Bay Chamber of Commerce successfully hosts events throughout the year such as 5k runs the taste of Wesley Chapel and New Tampa ribbon cuttings and monthly breakfasts that help promote Pasco County businesses attracting people from all over our community and whereas the Florida Association of Chamber

professionals represents over 500 Chambers of Commerce across the state with the mission of advancing excellence in chamber management and whereas the North Tampa Bay Chamber of Commerce was recognized as the 2019 Chamber of the Year by the Florida Association of Chamber professionals now therefore be it resolved by the Board of County Commissioners of Pasco County Florida that said board hereby congratulate the North Tampa Bay Chamber of Commerce on its recognition as the 2019 Chamber of Commerce of the year and the excellent work they do promoting Pasco County businesses done and resolved in regular session with a quorum present in voting this 5th day of November 2019 for motion one second all those in favor say aye aye opposed like sign motion passed mr. Moore Thank You mr. chairman so congratulations friends great to see you all here and what you know and when an honor for you but also what an honor for Pasco County and the citizens of Pasco County and the business owners of Pasco County we're thrilled for you I've had the opportunity to be involved with the chamber in different ways throughout the years I think it feels like we do a ribbon cutting almost every other day right which is a good thing yeah so over 800 members strong you know you you continue obviously to be a voice for businesses and large and small alike at the same time all the terrible things that you do and your team does is very much appreciate it so we're here to honor you today in your team and with that what we'd like to do is we're gonna come down we'll take a photograph and at the same time if you'd like to say something anybody from you team over yes I would like to thank the Commission for all of your support as we have grown our organization over the last seven years to be the voice of business for our community we thank you for your support I think the for the support of our members our board of directors that are here today and our staff so thank you very much for this recognition we appreciate it come down and then I'll see you all Thursday night too Oh if we if we squeeze everyone in we can say [Music] [Applause] Madame clerk the next one is title for me it's just title only I'll be delivering that their own too so I said okay okay kiddo everybody other announced time for the consent section of our meeting I have a pool sheet c15 revised c16 revised c-17 withdraw c21 discuss c-51 withdraw c61 revised c71 withdraw okay what's the pleasure of the board on the remaining items on the consent second I have a motion second all those in favor say aye motion passed okay we'll start off with c15 good morning David Engel economic growth manager I'm here today on a pull and revise for a economic development agreement to delineate the financial and

infrastructure responsibilities supporting the corporate business center for M PUD 7371 approved by the Board of County Commissioners in June of 2019 the two revisions take place in the agenda memo and he referenced the project Arthur and the subject line and in the first paragraph have been removed and and replaced with when Angeline which is the as the stipulation of the actual developer that will be undertaking infrastructure projects and there was a minor delineation modification just in the the tract staff enthusiastically recommends approval of this item move for Perl second motion second all in favor say aye thank you some pass thank you c16 for revised good morning Raymond blanco deputy building official for Pasco County building inspections see 16 proof waiver of demolition lien interest the revision as the the link for the document was not correct it was to the did not open the actual document we have it here that the hand for you does the clerk Kevin copy that and the recommendation is for approval well move approvals revised as the clerk have a copy that is okay it's in your blue folders okay that's okay okay have a motion second and a second all those in favor say aye motion passed thank you c17 has been withdrawn so we go to see 21 to discuss mr. Sammy yes sir I actually pulled that and just looking for some input from fellow board members and obviously the designee that's appointed to that Council to get their thoughts on this to brude's I brought this up I personally was a member of the Tampa Bay Regional Planning Council appointed by the governor about the 2014 whereas I was honored to be appointed to that organization at the same time I constantly wondered what I was doing there I was Lee wasn't sure what their motive was and what direction they were going to now many years ago from that correct they up and they approved the the dris I think originally that's one of the reasons why there are forums no longer do they do that you know two weeks ago I pulled the item from the Florida Association county dues because I did think that 74,000 was a lot of money and we want to make sure obviously the taxpayers are getting the most for their investment because it is the taxpayers that are making these investments so look at the agenda and our annual dues to Tampa Bay Regional Planning Council are actually ninety two thousand dollars more than that so I think what is a 166 thousand on that correct do do actually in one sec here lost it it is yeah hundred sixty-six thousand eight hundred twenty-five dollars so again this one makes the citizens of Pasco County are getting the best return of investment possible and I honestly do not know if that's happening at this time I think the last time the ten of the original plans the Planning Council came to this board that I can remember and I could be incorrect on this was 2015 and they asked for some

assistance with the medical tourism study some of us helped raise some funds for that the initiative seemed to go away if I'm not correct I think the gentleman that brought that to us is no longer even with the organization if I'm not correct does anybody know for sure I don't think he is there many retired so reading through the TVR SPC minutes and any reports one of the things I do seem to be doing is attending quite a bit of meetings and conferences throughout the state and outside the state sometimes creating there other events if you look at what we paid in the last three three years four hundred and eighty two thousand five hundred and thirty three dollars in membership dues you know we're required by statute to be a part of this organization did reach out to mr. Stein Snyder reached out to a number of other people in the community also have multiple conversations with legislators not only our delegation but legislators in leadership outside of our area to have a further discussion about this no I get a little frustrated at times when we're required to be a member by statue of organizations and then we required to pay dues my opinion we should it should be our choice if we want to be a part of something especially where we be required to pay dues so when I talk to mr. Stein I was you know and also Ralph did some research and he did some research for me there was an opinion by the Attorney General a few years back because there were some counties looking to leave their regional planning councils her opinion was no you cannot leave you had to stay I found some contradictory language when it says that if we have to actually pay the dues or not mr. Stein I think found one that I'm not correct that it seemed that yes you do and I found another opinion where the Attorney General said she does not going to make an opinion to that matter because that's under our purview of this unit feels on her purview at that time you know I again just being a little frustrated that you know I just don't know where the return on investment is I know no Cronin gave me some formation that they do help out with some PDC uses them to provide some third party economic impact analysis on projects it doesn't mean that you couldn't do that yourself it doesn't mean that you couldn't reach out to some universities in many states across the nation the universities get very involved in that process and do that for little to no fee anybody's please jump in I just frustrated I don't you know I just don't think we're getting a return on investment for a hundred sixty six thousand dollars I don't understand what they're doing statutorily it's my opinion that you have to be a member of it yes is very there is a provision in the statute that says I think what Commissioner Moore is referring to is the Attorney General in her opinion indicated that she was not going to opine about the requirements of the interlocal agreement that we all are

part of informing these organizations the statute however does say that they have the ability to charge membership fees and so I think you're required to pay whatever the membership fee is that they vote to levy regardless of what the in the local agreement says what I had told Ralph when we were talking about it was while there was this move to leave the Southwest Florida Regional Planning Council by noon by almost all the counties it appears ultimately this year when you look at their website they're all still members they didn't they weren't able to to leave when I did this research for Manatee County 15 years ago we turned we did a notice of termination of our membership in the interlocal agreement and gave the 1-year notice and at the end of it ended up being in the being in the region and still still a member of the Regional Planning Council of Tampa Bay so I think more than anything else the the what happened in southwest and was sort of the shot across the bow the you know they they wanted to bring to the attention the Regional Planning Council that they didn't think they were getting much for their money and I don't know I haven't talked to any of the those county attorneys to see whether or not things have changed but I did notice looking at their website that they were all still members so Jacksonville recently too coincidentally after since the agenda and came up at Jacksonville was having the same discussion there was a vote to move forward I think with terminating but then they reversed that I think obviously talking to maybe their County at our city attorney isn't County isn't it it's it's it's a general counsel exactly all very confusing there but I've got Commissioner Mary on I mean tell me your give me your thoughts and if you don't mind well I mean it is mandatory that we're in right we knew they're trying to make the most out of it I will say that the resiliency coalition that they formed is something I think can do a lot of good I'm actually going to be very involved with it we had we had a great presentation from crystal rivers group up there which I'll talk about on the committee report said was something we can actually learn from but it's it's something we're under dris they had a lot more action there was a lot more relevance to it now they've cut back a lot of the state funding on they have and I promise you affected much we did I think we did a 4 percent increase this year in the dues but it's they're trying to do political things they've just opened up the 501 C 3 that's at Dolman for about 15 to 20 years that they had formed but never had done anything with it they've been a grant that's coming in far they're gonna be using that so they're gonna try to be I think a little more relevant I think Shawn Sullivan's a great man if he can find a way to make some things happen he will and again I will tell you if you look at the Gulf Coast construction we're facing right now I really want this resiliency to take a look at what we're doing for

coastal development and I think it's a big opportunity for us I've actually had one of our engineers to be invited to go and one of the committees down there to go kind of study what they're doing because I think there's a strong disconnect between what FEMA regulations are what NFIP rules will be and what we're actually implementing so I think right now I'm more excited this year than they have been about trying to get some stuff down there and I may be brought up into a leadership position about so I know when I was a member for the council so it's back in the 14 nice building lots of staff you know I mean lots of staff not sure what they all did not sure what they'll do now again how many FTEs do you need I personally would love to have an update from them I'd like to see an update before we approve this I've left them to come in and show well here's the return on investment that Pasco County is getting okay dollar for dollar I mean can you can we continue this at OU can we continue can we continue this until they come in okay to continue when will allow yeah now I will stay further for the record - I am talking to a number of legislators - to see if we can file a bill to make it at least a very minimum optional - to join this and I'm feeling good about it which is gonna find somewhere that has a spot it doesn't because it's a game legislature you get yeah it is very you're correct and the beef had many conversations in the last four days okay all right so we're going but dozen happen this year it's gonna happen they're gonna continue this out okay all those in favor say aye thank you motion passed okay c17 has been withdrawn yeah that was that was just wow c-51 is redrawn c61 is to pull and revise good morning Mike Carvalho public infrastructure there was a typo on C 61 on the task order that has since been corrected and we recommend approval second motion second all those in favor say aye motion passed thank you see senator ones withdrawn so that's the concept [Music] Gregg arrivals are one yeah good morning Stacy Ziegler purchasing director okay yeah [Music] okay the purchasing department at the request of parks wreck and Natural Resources solicited ifvs n19 152 for the removal and installation of multiple park and entrance monument signs for different parts around Pasco County there are eight of them from n quote Gulf Park and Chloe River Park Eagle Point Park Lake Lisa Park Moon Lake Park Robert Katie Reese Memorial Park Cruz Lake Wilderness Park and with a kuchi River Park we received four responses and they were all publicly read Kenko sign and awning hereafter Kenko was the lowest bidder at sixty three thousand seven hundred eighty three dollars and six cents and DG Morrison Inc deviate or ETA was the third lowest and ninety nine thousand four hundred and two dollars at this time it was brought to the

purchasing department attention that Kenko by Kenko that there was ambiguity as to whether our offer or certification form required signature as they thought it was a local vendor preference form after we put local vendor preference into our ordinance the purchasing department consulted with the County Attorney's Office and determined that it was in the best interest of the county to clarify that offer or certification form and to go back out to bid so that is what we did on July 24th 2019 the purchasing department Reese elicited bids for the removal and installation of multiple park entrances all responses were received publicly open and read this time two responses were received Kenko and a REIT a Kenko came in again as the lowest bidder at eighty two thousand seven hundred eighty three dollars and six cents a REIT a again the same price of ninety nine thousand four hundred and two dollars local preference was not a factor as a retail was not within the ten percent of the lowest bid a REIT a then filed on September 10 2019 with the county administrator a timely protest of a notice of intent to award the solicitation to Kenko a retail objected on three grounds they rejected the solicitation being issued for a new solicitation they argued that the award to Kenko had that Kenko had an unfair advantage because Kenko knew their prior bid amount and then they also allege the Kenko failed to perform under 2017 previous bid county administrator denied a REIT a protest based on the below determinations one the county has the right to correct any regularities and reject any and all bids in whole or in part when deemed in the best interest of the county - there was no legal basis to reject Kenko as all parties were aware during the first bids of the pricing submitted and each party could have submitted new pricing and three the work in question by arete a was accepted by the Parks and Rec Department in 2017 and thus is irrelevant to the current bid the last member should be a retailer Kenko I'm sorry the last statement should be a retailer Kenko that the work in question was accepted by the county yes yes it was accepted by the county so it's irrelevant or retai sarg youment is he well I was the company okay sorry the Board Options as a result of the county administrators decision a retail again filed a timely protest to the board on October 4th 2019 the board has three options at this point the board can accept the recommendation of staff to award to the lowest bidder which is King Co you can reject the recommendation of staff and a war to the protesting vendor or you can reject all bids and direct staff to Reece elicit the bid parks rep and natural resources department with concurrence from the purchasing department recommends a war to the lowest responsive and responsible bidder Kenko for a total not to exceed amount of eighty two thousand seven hundred

eighty three dollars and six cents for the removal and installation of the multiple park and interest signs at this time both a retail and Kenko would like to say a few words to you in regards to the protest at hand I think we'll start with the retail okay Stacey do you have time limits for the tube yes they had 10 minutes with the max three four hello my name is John Glenn's eran director of sales Parente industries this is Don Morrison the owner of a REIT a industries I hope not to take my full 10 minutes and seeing a timer in front of me makes me nervous weak we stand here prepared to answer any questions about the nuances that got us to here but I think as businesspeople what we're really here is that the original sign that was built back in 2017 did not follow the specifications at all in other words there was two stone columns that were specified and there's a sign in between the two columns photos I submitted photos we actually helped the county with to design for no charge on those so when the signs were constructed there was a blatant disregard for the fact that they were stone I don't know how to hand these out to you guys those this the pass around yeah I've got five copies oh you do have yes buddy all those in favor say yeah okay so in actuality of what ended up happening was the stone columns were not built to specifications and a material that might be fiberboard or something like that was used to construct the columns and the first picture that you see on top was very soon after the columns were created and then the backup photos were less than a year later about eight months later where you can already see where the seams are popping apart where edge trimmers are routing through the phone so certainly Pasco County did not get what they paid for and what was originally submitted to bid we worked closely on other projects with Pasco County and it was our understanding that this project was never actually inspected and the permit actually expired I don't know what happened internally with that but when we got a response from mr. biles saying that was irrelevant to the previous monument we kind of said at any point in time the Commission in Pasco County has a right to say they didn't do the job the way the plan set forth they didn't complete the job correctly so you know that that's just not fair to put it bluntly there's and there's other little things that aren't really germane but kind of make you seem their initial bid was 60,000 and upon further review they jacked it up to 80,000 now I understand we could have changed our prices also certainly could have done that but what prompted a 30% increase to Pasco County after that first bid that just seems that doesn't seem right either it doesn't does it pass the smell test so I don't want to go at six minutes left I I could probably talk the full six minutes but I'm I really need to okay and one of the things that John wasn't around we did we

did the original do I get your name Don Morrison I'm the owner okay we we worked with Pasco County we actually submitted for differ four or five different designs for the parks the county for the parks just to approve so we originally did the those those designs that you see out there we did that design never charged for that design and we also work with them to determine the type of stone so that's how we knew in the bid specs we wrote the specs with the parks Commission our parts department that that's the type of stone actual stone they wanted on those columns and what they got was faux stone so there's a big difference in what was in the bid spec and then what was built and built Pasco County for and how that got passed inspection yeah as a Pasco County taxpayer I don't know so it's just and then in our mind we said why would you reward the people that didn't do it right the first time with the second job that's and that's where it's a little frustrating and we meant you know by the way the first sign we bid we lost by 250 bucks yep before the local preference came out even though we did all the design we didn't complain about that but even with all that we said we lost it by 250 bucks that's the way it is yes I'm looking here in the letter from our administrator it says the county is aware that a REIT was Kenko subcontractor on his project and provided the park signing ball that's not true it's a misnomer that what they bought from us was that the panel the color panel that you see in between there that's the only thing they bought from us because we had spec we were going to do the full panel and the columns so they came to us and said we can't supply that panel would you supply that to us so we said yes so we didn't we weren't we were I would say not a subcontractor a vendor just like they'd go by parts and from Home Depot we sold them the panel to put on the sign so the issue is not with the panel the issues with the fact that they the bid specs supposed said those were supposed to be actual stone columns and their fiber board that's basically we think it's fiber board we're not sure it's actually falling apart no the panels the panels will stay the same right but but I'm not sure about this again there's supposed to be so it's and again I'm reading that administrators notes it says that unfortunately it says that the the work wait see as noted in standard bid ducts the county has the authority to both accept alternative alternative products or methods and also the waive any informality zora regular irregularities so I I would agree that faux stone is not gonna last and I don't know how specific that was spelled out in the bid however we make that may be moved in your argument if if it's an allowable occurrence by county in the new bid does it specify real stone yes and so knowing that you know I think I kind of feel like we still are kind of stuck that we need to go with a little bit if you both

knew the rules of the new bid then we go by the Lois it so well I think I understand your frustration on the past sign they stopped with the new the new occurrence mmm mr. chairman yes sir I got two sets of heartburn with it the first one is where our first job we didn't get what we wanted the permit was everything closed so I'd like to strap to address that mr. Chairman I so yeah if you're finished with a reads presentation you need to have scan cuz presentation before you go into general discussion that protest okay um if I could just into your point in the bid package it itemizes which style of sign and when you get down to the two that are monuments you'll see that there's huge price increases on those that are associated directly with stone versus aluminum posts and so to after-the-fact substitute stone for aluminum that's like if any of you built your house and you said I want foam board or I want I want stone and you've got that you wouldn't accept that from your vendor and mr. biles said that it was irrelevant and that no one complained and Cristina court on the Parks and Rec superintendent after returning from her maternity leave mentioned to me in a subsequent meeting that yes she saw it she didn't like it she complained and I didn't think it would I thought it would go from there yes yes except that except that the same rules say that Pasco County can't debar a bitter fort for that subsequent after at any point in time today you could do that those what my never standing was you could say today we found out this and that's not fair from the county attorney on that yeah no I don't believe you could yeah you've already you've already the rightly or wrongly staff has already accepted this work on behalf of the board at this point I mean and and in fact with the testimony that we knew that it was not the correct stuff I I can't see how you would then proceed with a debarment procedure now for that vendor I think that's this is something separate that we're going to have to take up I set the commissioners with the staff and ask those questions outside of this public debt period or anything like that anything else because if we go down into the weeds I can answer any question versus how they increase their bid to just under the 10% local vendor preference after knowing now we're kinko here please state your name and address from the clerk Eric spark had cosign he's 1539 Garden Avenue Holly Hill Florida good morning I don't do public speaking much but I just wanted to say I sent a crew out Friday to see the sign that these pictures that were submitted by a Reid and this is what the picture I found on the side nothing nothing for me neither to this know what does that picture this was taken Friday that's your you took that yes this was the side that was noted 2017 okay I see no these are his pictures those of the other yeah that's one motion the second all those in favor say aye

the fold was approved by the county I took in front of a board the faux brick they chose that because they wanted that bra that's why as for the price increase under my bed is because instead of aluminum they want concrete it was only increased of the two sides not all of them mr. chair mr. Moore yep thank you so restate that because and then I was told this when I had my briefing with my staff that you're bidding for Devi creation was 60,000 to 80,000 again I don't think we all caught that only the two sides were the pillars in the reason behind that was time for you okay so initially you're what you're standing is initially it was aluminum on the initial bed when the when it rent went back out you changed to from aluminum to concrete grab on the second wing okay so uh when you say coffee is that concrete stone yes the pillars are made out of concrete block in seventh so has to be shaped so with this that's timing approved was aluminum shape okay was it in the specs to do fold or was it not it was opened it was just a picture that was submitted and it didn't say and I submitted because they want of samples before they improved it so I brought the champions to improve that so you brought samples up fo yes done and then staff approved it before it was constructed yes it was approved okay see that's I would question why we're having fun because I don't think that's very durable and it's our defense it's very durable it is it see the pictures you have to maintaining like anything else to clean it once you hear because it smelled ooh it's out of in the middle of a partner so if it's weed wax does it eat the find it we didn't see any bad shot what's this yellow behind the I think what we're not getting into the busier that's not my got take out chairman Mariana yeah should we show who should show them the pictures with the close-ups let them comment on that's weird I don't think you seen the close-ups up I made whatever to you this is what thing was submitted it's all public record yourself there's here I think he's asking what do you guys do the microphone boy take those home back at the Minocqua mine well Commissioner Meredith I only bring the relevant stuff is you showing us pictures from a long range away how good the stuff that's exactly no there's no way I have the pictures on my phone if you like see anymore than add to your I do it's a go any questions it's like clips done pretty cut-and-dry that there was a bit the low bidder what can't go and you followed the rules they both you know a read could have been a little bitter but they weren't and I think I'm glad we're not doing foam but I think we're is it can't go yeah is it directly stated in there to you stone and not this other problem it is this time it is put in there that they want concrete in there that wasn't in the first bit it said a lakeshore cultured stone by borrow or equivalent but I believe the department is there

from the inception the Gulf Coast the storm is kind of a very unique thing of all the Gulf states that got affected and for the Florida to take part and look at every individual County as someone who'd look over these things with the committee going through listen to presentations going all the way through I think it's very important we get this right and I just I want to cast curse just one question when they submitted this we were advised them not to submit it the way it was set up feeling that would change in the scope yes it would as this project progressed and they said that they were taking the boat ramp portions out of it they worked all day okay I don't feel it needs to scope anymore may be in danger but we continued on with the hope that you know that we could continue on down to get at least poor that project done okay that's it when they first presented this project it was a twelve million dollar project with everything you saw out there that was going to get done it's even been shrunk down to the point it was gonna be 5.2 at every single presenter that we talked about in the water and we're looking for them to get leverage of mashing funds every step of the way the city of Newport Richie applied for a 50% branded swept mud you know help funding that they got which has been completed by the way fully set up and paid and the projects was a great success so this project here is a biggest project with the biggest points with all the things we're gonna do even when the bids came out only one bidder showed up it was only one bidder bid on it and they cut it down from one single channel nothing like what was supposed to be done nothing was matching to go any further even from 2015 all the way through they hadn't done anything I went to the Commission with a proposal as far as what they could go look at expanding their dredging and working with swept mud especially we got the port richey outfall money to go look at the channels along Old Post Road doing everything on one shot and working with Swift let's go to cooperative funding nothing happened with that they did have one dredging workshop which was nothing more than a few people sitting around with a little cute when they would no no agenda no meeting had happened since they voted on this project and I'll say this I sat down with the mayor just say look you're going down to lunch one thing there's no way the Restorick committee would have in my opinion approved this project with one channel for 667 grand up six hundred fifty two grand no way would happen we wouldn't have seen the value to it with one bidder I mean you need to go back up take a look but that was before I even knew about the scope issue how significant that was have changed so I think staffs recommendation to terminate is the right one they'll make a motion for that before we go to that motion is the marathon for Ritchie's not here I haven't seen I don't know I haven't seen ya don't see it others not here okay so I've got a motion mr. so more just discussion on that so

are you seconding the motion no I'm discussion motion no second is program I could amend the motion but let me have a discussion discussion mouth um so knowing that area and I'm looking at the cost of six hundred and sixty six thousand dollars which we know it's a lot of money for the same time the amount of dredging that's gonna go on there the benefit to the area and not only to the city but to the county in general as somebody that does I know that area very well I am a I am a voter I am a fisherman and when my boat works that's the boat right yeah when it works I do drop at that at that vote rate quite often so if you look you know think about all the view on what's it about this boat well it's gonna be a new one to pay them back on yeah so what the memo yeah so know me how shallow it gets especially in that Bayou area I mean it doesn't need to be dredged for my understand you have some commercial boats and shrimpers and things in such that use that area too so I think about it hey this is good for obviously multiple business owners with all the restaurants going on there the waterfront restaurants and wanting to have more tourism something about this in a tourism aspect right from a tourism guy that's the chair of the tiers of Council we want to continue to promote tourism almost are still areas and having a destination where people can both from outside the Darien come up from Pinellas County not only from past or come down from Hernando and throw those restaurants I don't know what that was come to our county visit our restaurants visit visit some the businesses that they're going to be putting in there as well as somebody that just likes to pleasure boat worth a fish I mean it was we kind of omit that area needs to be dredged I mean if you look at low tide especially in that by you and they don't think I will think about the residents too is that they can't drop the boats it's dry I'm not gonna give up my fishing spots but there's some areas not far from there that I can't get to sometimes so I understand the need by the people that frequent that area what is that noise that keeps happening so I feel there's a need to dredge that in gone this far I understand the mistake with the submission initially about the scope and they included the boat ramp I think have some conversations with the team I think that's something maybe they can go back to and look at I think there's an opportunity couldn't do that in the future still I know there was some concern about dealing with the state if I'm not correct but I think they could probably get that done I don't want to sometimes don't wanna I think we should you know have to meet to you know we terminate but at the same time they leave the allocation there let our team work with them to bring this back so we can get the area dredge mr. chairman let me ask you a question we're going wrong mr. chairman won't open and then make the bow trip out of it let me let me just kind of go over

what I mean this first terminating we've need to terminate this part of it I'm happy to go back to work with the city just like I was trying to do before so let me just explain if you look at the lower part there Dix Park that's where the one boat ramp is right now okay and they don't want to that we're gonna change it and move it over to the Waterfront Park the like grainy are we up to the top okay that's not gonna happen now what do you mean changes yeah they were gonna move this car can just the city was just me parking it's done then they were gonna move it to Waterfront Park and make a boat ramp they're bigger parking bigger facility would have been a lot more beneficial that's what one of the big things of the restoring committee was looking at to say okay they're really going to do something to increase tourism decreased boat traffic etc the first connection you see the putt in the in the Purple Line it's on the map up there that was going to be a long kill dogs channel out there and then out in front all the way through now I want to say this in looking at what they were going to dress those are two good channels to dredge one of the things that did get left out was out in front of whiskey Joe's so and frankly in looking at doing this whole thing we just got the five million dollar wood from the BP restarted committee from the state expenditure fund the poor rich yellow Falls all that put round saw alcohol that goes into the area if you look at the items 14 15 16 17 the light blue channels up there look right to the right side there's like a little bit of a lake that's there that lake is part of the Portman she'll fall swift mud works within it we work with that quiz drive is v is just below quiz drive is at the 15 channel that's the one we went out there on during Hurricane Maria but we had a for $8,500 we had an inch that person come out there turn the emergency I saw there's gonna go reach out to governor and the DEP and Swift mine to try to get them to go clean this silt out that was all around there that's what they took out the floor truckloads of dirt when they pulled all that all that out it helped the flow but there's still more work to be done to there those channels 14 15 16 17 in even all the way down to the gill dog channel though indirect all takes all that storm water from everything that's over there so the Sun goes mobile home fire that floods up we always put pumps out there all that benefit to everything in there we can go put a study and together wit sweptline study that whole I'll fall right in there combined it with what we've got from the state expenditure fund and put a massive group instead of spending 667 for getting one channel down I'm gonna say when we get all set with said and done with this thing we might be able to get all that done with that same amount of money getting matching money from sweat clouds if we approach it correctly is that grants permit gonna expire the dredge permits gonna expire but they

could get another dredge permit but if we need to go take care of like let's say whiskey Joe's this whole thing needs to be redone if we're gonna redo it let's do it right what they're doing now is short cutting everything that's good doesn't have near the benefit put half of the hole area if you really want to upload everything here and fix storm water which Commissioner Wells talked about long ago what he was going to get behind look I want to do the dredging part I want to help get that done but I want to make sure were gonna help storm water stuff this is directly into a major area that we have a storm water problem on that this can actually fix it and then we could probably reach out to the presidents get them maybe help all the way through but we can do so much better with what's here more so okay how about this okay because no matter what no matter what the agreement has to be them the agreement has to be terminated anyways I mean that's it has to be okay no matter what yes so let's give let's pull back a little bit here let me amend your motion we're here so mostly terminating the sub-recipient agreement in grant application but maintain the allocation for the restore hot one in the amount of the 667 with the city of Port Richey for the purposes obviously dredging the area that we're talking about and let's correct staff to work with the city to generate the mint and a minute multi-year implementation plan and percent it to the BS BCC so let him go back work with a couple weeks we'll bring it back look at that time we'll have a full commission to or assume he'll be fine was here and then if you don't like what you hear what staffs working with them on then just vote nay but let them know let's let them get let them go back out there working and bring them back to us I mean again I personally this is from again the tourism mindset and somebody that's a consumer as a citizen that uses this area on a pretty frequent basis I understated that dredging needs to be done it's obvious it needs to be done I don't think we should just cut the cord give them the opportunity go back bring it back to us but but again I'm cutting the just for this one agreement right that's good again I'm good with it and I want to get Swift mud in the conversation DEP was kinda have to go get the permit in this book in the in the conversation and maybe the Army quo - and let's go to put a big plan together do this whole thing and frankly I think it should go back even to the restore equity let them relook at it because that's where it's gonna be initiated you probably have to do that anyway and I think that's probably on the agenda - so so let it go - you want a manager motion well amend my motion - we terminate the agreement first then we have them go work with Swift mud army code DEP go back go back to the restore a committee and put a new plan together and present it and then after they present it then we're gonna get to see

it but it's gonna it's gonna take some time to do this to do this right I mean Swift mud I mean frankly had they listened back in July or June they could have already started this process what's work line and maybe got into this year's allocations through October but they didn't want to go do it so they're gonna delay themselves a year but I'm gonna tell you I think we get all the permits done again anyway it's just gonna it's going to be another year delayed to make it happen but we can do so much more what's what's there there's so much more potential than dredging one channel the same amount of money we're supposed to get a boat ramp Park a waterfront park and then all the dredging in the front we could do so much better mr. chair mr. Moore so my understanding is that city the mayor is looking at adding another boat ramp at Nick's now so you have with a bump right there and you have space on the right-hand side of where the dock is and then he's also looking at purchasing parking out front I mean it doesn't need another ring we know that I mean there's not enough parking - yeah sufficient parking for just the one ring now it gets busy turn out there early this morning even a weekday sometimes you're not gonna be the spot that weekend you're toast that's just the way it is gonna get I think keep you wanna have anything you want to add to this I mean ice I just don't want to see this we talked about dredging we wouldn't have direct I just don't want to lose the 19 we start messing with going back to DEP I start going back to the Corps start I mean this could be years and years down the road with that we have an opportunity to dredge this portion right now so yeah okay so Keith Wylie director parks recreation Natural Resources the my team's comfortable with with that approach I think the only clarification that we would like is through that process is it the board's wish to make sure that the city's portion the city's portion of the project quote-unquote stays intact because it seems like a larger scope that that's being discussed now and six hundred sixty seven thousand dollars will really only go so far so I think that's the only point of clarification right that we would that we would need okay mr. chairman just another point of clarity too if they want to expand the boat ramp that's part of it that can be part of the same conversation but I want you to remember one other thing too the first part of the dredge they didn't own the channel to those to the south they didn't rent it far enough they filled up their whole DMA site and part of the reason treasure ejector there's been that was in there this is to get rid of that fill I think if we redo that permit right now it's gotta go I think it's is it classy or class one landfill it's going to align landfill which is costing them a fortune up at the counties of class a bloody one classroom would be a sentence in sanitary land the only ones around here is one's gonna be in that and I'm what you know I had this

conversation with the mayor before back in June it can go either the two hour hours which is like $68 a ton and $65 a time they paid that or to go to Sumpter which is like $32 a ton but the freights a lot more I have talked to sand experts that they think if they actually work with the soil that's in there they think they can actually combine it and make it so it doesn't have to go to that landfill it would save them 300 grand thereabouts in soil costs so I think we could do this a lot better they just have gone through plodding along living it the way they did it that's just not that it wasn't wasn't a good move and clearly not meeting the scope a big waste of money it's gonna go spend 300 and a judge one channel when we can probably get all of them done we just can do so much better with the plan and if we bring to the table which is a great part of this whole thing I think we can do something great I really do okay I don't I don't think you're I don't think we're far apart from what you're saying anything I said what again just can be amend the motion this let's again maintain the allocation from the from pot one it's a 687 please he made a statement it makes maybe add to that motion to make sure that the city of Court reaching richie keeps their portion intact what is that possible that's the entire portion I guess that I don't understand what else well I guess the only again the clarification is that's the board's direction I mean again that's a larger scope that Commissioner Mariano referenced I don't think our team has has any preference we just need to know which direction we're supposed to go in specifically okay can't they again like the amendment I mean a second ago can't we just allow staff to work with them on the EM my IP in bring the application back to the or to look it over and if you're not satisfied with it then then make changes listen give staff and the team the opportunity to bring it back to us again mr. chairman yes the reason that we can't do that as to what the bid that went out there the with the bid come in only one bidder result in number one which to me I wouldn't want to approve it just if I had a high bid anyway or just one bit or showed up I'd say well let's go we look at this maybe there's something out there and there other business that were involved in there that for whatever the reason we don't know didn't bid on it but again with the high cross that one bit that that's goes there we can do so much better with this whole plan and it's important that we get swift light in the mix now the city of Newport Richie did it with their project an orange like they got cooperative funding in that project these guys were told about that opportunity they didn't want to take it I think we need to make sure in that motion that's what funds in the mix even if you know include dep swift muds get to be in that mix yeah thank you Gary okay so let's okay I dig deep he should be in the next

because if we're gonna go change the DMA site for the soils would indeed DP at the table anyway so let's make this a let's go make it so it could work big but we're gonna get all the people in the room and it's not gonna be something quickly to do with a modification my opinion bring it back to us it's gonna take a whole new static Oh what only what you're gonna have to study the whole thing and look at you look at you can you can look at the channels 14 15 16 17 and 18 and get the one out in front which was what they definitely definitely need you might be able to get what later on whiskey Joe's included in the front which is I think a very important thing because yeah the money they spent in there the britons they do we need to make sure that happens and then working with that outfall we're again five million dollars that we've got from the other side can hex that dramatically help with with the stormwater issues out there and that was a big part of the program the stormwater issues - let me ask one more question mr. mr. morphed it to the team time I mean the importance of this motion today let's say my book amended motion to bring it back in a couple weeks or maybe we need to sit down in each every one of the commissioners in the one that's here today we've moved to continue this to the next meeting so we can have individual conversations with a team so it's fully understandable by all I just don't want to see it go away we know we so we sit here and talk so we we talk and obviously you're a big proponent for dredging which we obviously appreciate a lot of citizens do - I just don't want this to get once again held up hell for years because we're bringing all these groups back into the mix and then nothing ever gets done because that's what we see happen constantly so we start bringing deep DPN we bring in swift mud I've never once heard Swift let's say that data feel it or don't have they go to your projects very similar to what you're speaking I'm not saying they would it I just haven't heard of that or seen that happen you know we don't want to really get into the weeds too much but I don't if you have let me just get some example be think I just can happen mr. chairman more quickly than not well I think Sherman I think no matter what it's there's gonna be lots of time involved I mean the process for the grants application and the my P is either way either either way as a six month plus process so I think I mean - hopefully wrap this up I can give some confidence that Commissioner Mariano we can ask those questions and either amended motion I think we can do our due diligence and ask those questions I don't I don't think all the details need to be in it we can maybe we delay it we do some briefings and we talk about what we find and then we we take the next step from there maybe we don't but in either scenario the agreement that's in place now has to be terminated for us to move forward ultimately okay so how should animation read I miss general let me

just let me just clarify one thing and then I'll make another motion when Hurricane Maria was coming in okay we knew the storm was it going to affect us but I looked at the storm surge situation was going to go on water was gonna come in over the streets etc and I reached out and at our our meeting when we declared it but that it was mercy I says I'm gonna be reaching out to the governor because the state of emergency can you do an instant permit to a swift mud and DDP so I called the governor he then said okay go ahead you have my support go called G EP called secretary secretary Valentine he then says have you talked to Brian on trauma we got Brian Armstrong we had John Paul Anka we look at the aerials just like you're seeing right here I said look that one canal that's right there goes right on through in this silt everywhere I had pictures to show him because we've been working on for a past couple months they gave us instant Commission this is DEP now in Swift mud working with the governor's office instantly they saw the importance of getting there then cleaned out this whole thing that's not ready their pond over here that hole your pond over there is all storm water that comes up from u.s. 19 I remember the Sun Coast mobile park we got pumps out there every single storm becomes in trucks okay once we did that they had they didn't fly out the last two storms having that thing played out staff is like I'm done done sure what does all of it but I'm gonna tell you the people that was over there they they appreciated they saw what we're doing like they'll hit the head guy at the HOA he called me I saw how you actually saw him after what he does I saw what you guys were doing a boy it seemed like it made it made a difference but DEP and swift mud they get it they want to make this thing back and the holes yes for that that stormwater pond that is how does that so no I do believe in my talks with DEP that they do they do fun dredging when it helps they help flooding exactly Pinellas County just got a big grant with the help of their federal lobbyist to dredge ain't closed River so I do think there is may be possibility for de people I don't but I don't know if these houses here flood or if that dredge would be just well his words here's what's gonna help yeah that's fun that's right there goes all the way down so from all those channels you go down there you know in the row there's a marker saying this water this road chill out of this canal floods to the Gulf Coast of the Gulf so it goes from the storm water pond and each one of those goes all the way across when you look at the 18 when a gill dogs there's a trench that goes from Waterfront Park all the way down in front of his property all the way down it connects right there so it doesn't do a direct connect like it does to the canal but it goes through a pipe that goes right out there every one of those will help with storm water when storm water surge comes in it's going over

everything anyway the key is to get it out fast and that's what you want and that's what this will allow them to do instead of getting stuck up and held up that's why this is I think it's worth things we can leverage all the money that's exactly I'm trying to do yeah and I think that's what can happen so my motion will be we deny we approve staffs recommendation and this terminates disagreement but then we go set up a workshop meetings to go through to try to do a bigger project will keep them in with the city Connecticut it and we could still work together to keep that money that's we're not pulling it away from them we're just gonna reset it up and we're gonna look at everything that's involved including as Commission law says that canal on the front that needs to be dredged and we'll even look at make sure we get whiskey Joe's in front of them Jack it's a question okay I like Arnold I appreciate it so when we take the allocation for the pop one in the mountain 667 we're not gonna have to go back to the restore committee or the RAC again for that I gotta make you a tit well we're gonna maintain that allocation now we're gonna maintain the location okay yeah okay and we're gonna work and let allow staff to work with the city and try to include some things you spoke about but on the new multi government agent one correct sounds good I was actually trying yes I was trying to track down a schedule but okay yes in your but you would ever ask him that during the process talk to us with my top the DEP and see if some of these other additional things can be done lucky mention without giving the weeks off yeah all right sector' okay all right I got a motion in a second mr. chairman if I'm gonna border special well I'm gonna put this in right now because when the when this my P my IP comes back the board is going to have to make a determination that it's substantially similar or better than the project that went to the rack and was prioritized you've set up a process where the rack is what makes a recommendation to you if you are not going to send it back to them you at least have to compare the initial project that was submitted and modified that you're now terminating and what ends up coming from this discussion that that you're in that workshop I've got to go back to the rack because I who knows how long that's gonna take up for yes go back to staff in the team they work off let them bring it back to us mr. chairman but but if you're afraid of the time I'm telling the way this whole thing set up is all about the citizen involved with the stakeholder committee that's why they set it up with nine people on his committee to go look at it we can schedule it when they know what's coming up we'll have plenty of time because we set the meeting up and we control it and we can do to do it so tight where you wouldn't skip a week from when they're ready to wear it comes back give it it's not a time here's here's a fear though okay because we're

we're stating here to make a the allocation for that direction the 667 plus possibly other things it goes back to the rack that could change that allocation could change if it could so I will go with continued with the motion as long as it is to go back to Iraq because there now you do now yours that because it's a moot point yeah mr. Stites later and I'll let him jump in it's a moot point for us to make a determination to keep that 67 in if it goes back to the rack because they can make come back with a different recommendation and then it goes away all right so I'll see this I'm okay with that but I just want you to remember one thing Treasury may look at it differently and we'll make it no they won't no I so I call Treasury this morning and I have that particular question I called Treasury and I asked him that if in their opinion has had to go back to the store Ike advisor come on committee or it could be approved by the Board of County Commissioners and the answer was it could be approved by the Board of Commissioners to go with it because Board of County Commissioners ultimately determines what happens with that funding all right we're good all right so I have a motion in a second all those in favor say aye aye opposed likes that motion passed thank you thank you okay that ends all the regular items we'll go to old business mr. Moore oh wow that was bad all right give me one second that's it for one second so a couple things first thing I'd like to ask the board if you would please waive fees for a cancer benefit at Heritage Park one of the members of the winter Lakes Relay for Life Sun race team has been diagnosed with cancer the group and the team is hosting a fundraiser for him at the Lena Blake's Heritage Park on Saturday November 23rd new to 6:00 like to make a motion to waive those heart beats for the event second emotions emotions exactly all those in favor say aye aye aye aye thank you motion passed what about that stuff we'll let staff know about that are we cued up for something okay in this I talked to mr. biles about this too I wanted to share a pretty cool program that I recently learned about with the city of Clearwater we reached out to the mayor's office to to get some clarification some things they have our work that's done by citizens and other organizations on their stormwater drains you may have seen this on television I think they News 9 actually did a piece about this not too long ago so Traci if you don't mind so we didn't know we could talk about Leoni video no video [Music] we need a technical person to assist are you you miss a big boat mr. chairman [Music] well in the meantime while we're working on that I'm gonna move on to something else until that sets up oh there we go all right thank you start it over real quick it's quick [Music]

I love that yeah right very nice so we want to bring that your attention them right it might be something will work better on the west side of the county obviously because you have the drains are actually going into the into the ocean on our side there's mostly private neighborhoods where the lakes are so we wanted to bring it to your attention we have information and you can actually share it with you if you want to move forward with it or going to think about the idea what they do in Clearwater is that they provide the paints and the brushes and it's more citizen driven and you would reach out to them to the camera here you would reach out to the county he'd been loaning you the paint in the in the brushes and he would bring it back you have to submit your plans ahead of time you know what you're gonna paint on there and then that person or that group or organization is also in charge of maintaining that because it we want them to keep it up and a time so he's gonna have to be repainted so pretty cool idea they could be neat for your air for the area especially on the west side of the county so if you're interested we want to move forward with it we can I don't think it really needs to be any type of motions would just be something that we would Institute I think it's cool idea so we can go further about it we got some more stuff you give the mr. biles you can share with you and if you want to move forward with it we can go from there okay thank you then ever thanks to thanks to Bay news night for their for their story that's what brought it to our attention thanks for the mayor of mayor of Clearwater and their team for getting back to us I said one more thing now you probably saw the update a matter of EDC okay that's born through Pinellas County lawsuit that's still moving forward I saw the article on the florida politics.com last night Pinellas County filed a brief with the Supreme Court on the property tax lawsuit you know I think I've been pretty clear and I think most people on this board they're pretty clear and no we think they need to pay their property taxes a little maybe a little sarcasm or maybe not maybe we need to look at some buying some weigh-in and passive count or a Pinellas County for our citizens or some good investments in that area I actually did a little research last night and there's some great Beach about property that's for sale hotels there's some very properly so but in all seriousness you know I'm into demos you know they have I think it's over 12,000 it's a 12 over 12,000 acres and it passes County again not paying their property taxes on for bidding in their fighting this the amount of time of energy and money they're spending on it they could already pay the property taxes but for somebody like the county like us you know in which the day some cities and counties seem to be making investments in other areas and maybe we should look a little bit closer with some of our investments how we're investing our County money and get a better return on

investment in advancing some property in Pinellas County makes pretty good return probably get better returns we do now Marcus hot right I think the courts gonna answer these on this but there's also so I don't sit on the Finance Committee anymore but then we work with our vendor to look at our investments maybe let's look at some investments in Pinellas County so we get a good return no well yeah think about it three half-million dollar property how much do you pay a tax if we save that well it's yeah it's pretty good our alive all right that's everything well I'll ask the real estate department start looking for some property over there down more I'm definitely okay first I want to remind you that we have lectures on the lawn Thursday Gary more me know who is a retired USF history professor and a celebrated author he does a great job of public speaking and talks about the history in the area this one's on fun Florida food facts tonight it's gonna be very interesting also while we're reluck we're launching the Pasco EDC global competitive committee and council and so we'll be kicking that off next week and we've got a number of people in the community that have stepped up to chair different responsibilities and after everyone's agree to everything next week I'll come back a little bit more about what our big plan is I also wanted to talk about a board meeting that is going to conflict with the Mako legislative conference and I want to bring up that date I think it's in using is it January Jack do do you have those days I think it's conflicting with one of our board meetings so I'd want to so I meant to have that Tina just remember the March third one said it okay is that a board meeting March third yes ma'am yeah so I wanted to see if we could plenty of time see if we can move that forward or backward March 3rd March 3rd yeah check here by Excalibur yeah so marks 10 because looked at it go we go March third that nothing March 10th nothing March 17th then we meet March 24 so it seems like if your mind let us take this back and we'll bring in an agenda item but you're meeting me here we go it's pretty great you know that I have to do is bring I think spring break is a week to the 17th yeah I think what I'm not sure well the Vice is what we were a really work this guy so everybody will go look at this deconflict bring it back and revise them agenda or calendar if we need to okay great the I'm continuing to work on the Willowbrook situation without the contacts are made in Washington and we've got a letters drafted that is going through Emergency Services Department right now to make sure we're dotting our is and cross our T's and had a talk with Kevin up to Tallahassee so we are hopeful that we're going to get some some action we're working with Eric pool up at in Tallahassee with back as well because he is seven the meetings that I had with the folks on Homeland Security and DEP up there so nothing yet

but we're gonna find a solution to help those people big time is it alright mr. Wales not here we're outta things chemin at the champ a Regional Planning Council I mentioned we had a presentation on the Kings Bay River restoration project that they're saying as clean water means business they had all sorts of silt and muck that were all in came today what they've done is they did a suction dredge i dredge cleaned it all out and they actually put a lot of eel grass sea grass out there to kind of clean out and their place is going crazy out there how well it's worked they still have a long ways to go actually encourage them to go to try to get plot to money from the BP reach direct money to try to get all the data they've got help but how effective it's been and go forward I also asked him if they wouldn't come down here and present to us I think they could probably learn a lot it might be good to have the Port Richey folks in here because Miller's Bayou may be a similar situation to what they have and if we can actually look at how they did it as well as helping all the individual canals to get them cleaner once the dredges have had been done it could be great for water quality every step of the way so if I could would Commission on multi stem to go to a presentation it took them probably 10 listen to the presentation then Q&A was after that okay sound good all right so there's that talking to Senator Simpson the other day we talked about septic restore programs the counties to the north of us are going real strong with it I know we've got the elvers one with sea pines one but I think it's something we should separate from everything else because when we had our five items etc but it's something that if there's money out there that we should have staff take a look at mr. Bowser's looking at that but I want to encourage staff to get something ready for us as we go through the upcoming session as well it's not only septic to sewer but it's aged aged sewer food I could tell you that's going on going on in so on my district on Westside that even so much salt walk salt waters getting in the new port richey plant that's affecting the plant from aged sewer systems yeah big time they headed to Erica on Facebook from Orlando paper that was going all knowing all about past what kind of the solution water sewage water of the Bell to the ocean and it was that plant okay talked with the administrator with Hernando County about County Line Road he had heard that we had conversations by the etc how we're supportive of it but we don't want to take it take any money from the projects we've got funded so what they would like to get from us is a letter of support not finding any money not taking her out like allocation but let them go their own allocation under the county incentive grant program in the transportation or regionally a program so they want to just like I said simple letter from us so that they know that we want to see it done secretary Quinn is very often this about the project if I was trying to get something done and send the Simpson you know what

like to see you do that as well without again affecting what we've got just a letter of support is all they want so I think I think if the chair me could draw up that letter or well we can work on something I think they're also looking they're also making a legislative ask which would be outside of those two programs and the support they were they're also looking not dollars from Pasco County but wouldn't we be supportive their legislative ass so it's not just those programs but they're actually making little advance the money for that project so mister there's a question and I'm trying remember where I read it but I remember reading the hills of the Hernando County Commission saying they wanted Pasco County to pay for all this I read that we're ready I read it so that's a comment made by somebody other board that's not the way it was representative me from the county administration so the pose that a commission meeting or where it was but um okay no they're going for a direct allocation period as well as the other two funding but again it wouldn't affect us they just want to let them support the thing do we want to see you done as well that's fine it's to make sure they don't want and then we're not painting everywhere else read that yesterday one of one other item the Highlands up near shady Hills they hadn't eat your way up there and they had residents up there that were set up where you could only build residential regular residential homes prohibiting mobile homes in manufactured homes the residents came to meet with me three of our together with Denis Hernandez they had a map of the whole area all showing all the lots were out there and how four people are like building mobile homes in the area then going against completely the character the whole area they could go out and go get signatures get seventy five percent probably make this happen or we could do a board initiated to just make it happen to get him to the and Jeff help me with this I get it wrong the air one ever cultural residential district which means that it would just make them be able to build regular homes nothing any effect of a mobile I told no was gonna bring it before the ball and I think it's a great thing to do is it to protect the area they already have a restriction an HOA right now well the HOA is disintegrated but the rule was in place where deed restriction was there you can't do it we just want to make sure people can't go around that and if we do a board initiated we can make it when we make a zone where you can't build them over all out there sounds like we're doing the work instead of the HOA is defunct it's not it's not had to go to find probably funding like most of them there is it's a lift on our part to do it but it just simplifies old metal it's enabled I'd go away with HOA and ask the County Commission to I don't know how HOAs know what I think what the Commissioner is asking is there was a deed restriction that prohibited manufactured homes in

this area right the zoning classification that we put on this this property would allow manufactured homes for stick-built oh there is a zoning classification that would prohibit the manufactured homes which is a r1 I'm assuming that and that that's consistent with the lot sizes that are out there and it would just guarantee the folks that are there that they get what they bought into and it's it's something that you can do a County initiated rezone or as the Commissioner points out your rules allow 75% of the neighbors to petition for it for a change in zoning to help a little bit to as far as like the support that's out there they've already got a hundred and sixty-eight people signatures that they want to see this happen they definitely get a commitment for money each one that make it happen as well if they needed to go that way their goal was to get to the seventy five percent number I just you know that's not a 75% no that's like probably twenty-five percent at this point but I'm actually going to a meeting I think it's Wednesday either tomorrow the next day we're gonna go to the VFW where they had a meeting before about this a couple months ago they're going door-to-door trying to make this happen I know the support for you know like I said I'd rather just have us do it then just take care of the situation to make it where the people that bought in that area that knew what was going to be there we just protect that zoning to what the actual effect is that the best route to do mr. Steiner Steiner I mean if you don't have a 25% say people speaking oh they got 25 now they're gonna go for 75 that's kind of what the didn't want them to go do but I'm just look at the situation so should I change it so should they reach that 75% and well obviously the more are the more that they have is it is an indication the board that that that's what you know a county initiated rezone is you're you're imposing a zoning condition on this area that the property owners are not asking for I mean that that's on a county initiative rezoning it so the the more support you can get for that the better the but your code basically says they don't have to have a hundred percent if they get to 75 percent they can petition this board to make that change we get that that's so you might do instead of the whole well and again if you if you want me to I mean if you just take signatures go do it and then if I had let's say the board would kind of say to me that okay go get 75% and we'll do a board initiated I can go with it go that way we would actually make it easy from it at a minimum just so they'd have to go raise the money to go do all the stuff that we're gonna go do so that that's what the board wants me to go get down I mean if you would just want 51% I'll go get that number so whatever you want whatever the board wants me to do I want to make it easier so I can for these people it's to me somewhat it's a simple thing to go do it's the right thing to do and right now the deed

restrictions in place I just solidified that all we do is saving a step for the people not having to go do it well that dangerous restrictions are very deep restrictions there but somehow and maybe Jeff you can you elaborate how they did it but a couple of people were able to go around that well so they've gotten if the deed restriction is still there invalid then it's the only way to enforce it is for the for the individual neighbors to file suit and obviously that's an expensive that's also no one wanted to file suit so all we're doing is we're just gonna make it where they'd have to come before us we want to change as as I've said to the board before the building department doesn't enforce deed restrictions so that's so somebody can come into your building department and ask for a permit that is inconsistent with the deed restrictions in their community that that can happen so this would keep on going on an odd way and others if they're there looks like we'd be looking at those when they came in for a permit you wouldn't put them all home deep restricted your resident your home's on your bill this the the building code only allows the building department to issue permits consistent with your ordinances and the building code they can't look at me they can't look at it or go outside yeah so knowing that I need to go do this I mean what's what's a pleasure but you only gonna get 51% or are you comfortable that I've got enough support now I've got a 160 right now with people even putting money into it to make it happen I mean I'll go I'll go for more if you want to go for more I'll go walk the neighborhood hmm what's the rest of orthanc characterized recommendation this is a policy decision for the board the county attorney is not going to turn everything this is arson I mean you're you've got an ordinance provision if the board wants to rely on that ordinance provision it's 75 percent if they think that because the publisher because this is a this is sort of a glitch and you wish to choose a lesser number that the statute allows you to initiate a County a county initiated reason anytime the board wishes I mean if it was it was a different situation where I was looking at had a multiple of different zonings they're out there trying to change something all I'm trying to do is just get the people to what they signed up for originally before they enjoy the Spanish that's all interest rate so if you want to want me just tell what point are you at now they're probably like 25 percent they 168 right now seems like I could probably get any bigger Lucy yeah I can get 51% okay with that thank you all right that's it yeah you know we see this half from time to time and I know it's frustrating you know but in this statement might not go over well some that's okay when we have neighborhood to have HOA some people knew if we move into a neighborhood then they have an HOA it's up to those

residents to maintain and keep that in attacked that HOA we've seen this many a times and I have some of my district where as HOA goes defunct now its Paso County we need you to step there you know so just something to think about I mean you know when if you decide to move into an HOA neighborhood it's you as a resident that made that decision we need to try to and they need to try to work together and I've said this to others where it's happened to know you know can't always expect government this other government has stepped in don't mind helping out it sounds like they have some issues but just for the record you don't think this becoming toesik they had that HOA in place they were the same of the CD DS it's an exact same thing you decide to move in that this is what you get I understand we can't always come to the rescue mr. biles I have a couple things one is a reminder that at noon we're gonna do the photo with veterans out front so oh yeah you've got 11 minutes and two if you don't mind I like Kathy to give an update on like two good souls you'll report out on that so wait I had that oh my okay well no you don't I'll answer it if you're famous great event first time I never go into that event it's amazing I've been here three years ago that's the first time I've been thanked and I'm just it's just awesome thank you all Kathy Pierson assistant county administrator public services and a great great big thank you to this amazing Pasco community and the Pasco team for their contributions for those listening or on our fourth annual to good souls event where we felt as a team we need to give back to the community and when we were talking to the school board they said their biggest needs of shoes and socks so we are in our fourth annual year and I'll just give you an education last year 2018 we collected a total of 2,200 shoes and sixty sixty three hundred songs for 2019 which was last week 3057 pair of shoes and thirteen thousand two hundred and eighty five pairs of socks we have just made some students very very proud and very happy and it couldn't have happened with all without the great community that we have and thank you to the constitutional officers I've also pitched in this year also internal services was our winner internally they've won three out of the four years so Eric his fruit to define job and the constitutional officers was property appraiser Gary Joyner one and for the Box decoration was our own Parks and Recreation years ago they did a splash back with another and all of that they did a super job I think they had a heads up because they invited everybody in their department to come vote sorry how they got off to good they stretch the rules of any bit to there are no rules when it comes to the bring your anything pretty amazing that Kathy and I were talking about it afterwards that if you figure forty dollars for a pair of shoes there's over one hundred twenty thousand dollars worth of shoes they're just amazing and to see them there and just

filled up around and then afterwards social workers went to work the other shoes going out to different kids that need those shoes and I wish the other thing that was interesting was she said those shoes are all given out by December might change summer first all those shoes to be given that I want to shout out to Tracy razor from Earth Community Services Department and Brian Hoeven my program administrator for public services they really headed this up with an amazing team so thank you all and we're looking forward to the fifth annual next October go you know that well the gentleman who came from the business community I don't remember his name I think he's in my district oh yes it was the he donated the 50 pairs of shoes and it's slipping my mind but there was a retail place that he does online yes Jacques Cousteau Jacques hucking Jacques Rakim so that's right thank you oh boy he's all over me i I think it was Jacques that said you went and stood outside of school was that him that said that Oh Jesse Oh Jess Jess eternal first one of our internal services said he went and stood outside of school and watched the kids go in with their toes cut off their shoes their heels cut our shoes their shoes taped up and these and flip-flops you know just really just was amazed by the meaning so one more thing Keith came up to remind me Parks and Recreation on our staff to Appreciation Day very last minute the team decided to do a dunk tank and they raised over five hundred dollars just that day to buy shoes and so Keith is asking for next year for all of you [Laughter] Keith was absolutely in the dunk tank I believe it was Chris why that raised the money they raised the most money everybody wanted yes ma'am that's exactly what he's asking for it would be we would put into a legislative administrative group that's a group that it's all for a great cause it's all for the kids and I couldn't be more proud people to be proud of this community thing like Cathy before you go yeah I want to say Tracy raiser I'm glad I gave them up for you but it's a partisan Rexha did a great job I should have mention this in my report but they did a military appreciation with parking rack a nice ceremony at Veterans Park on Saturday morning that a Greek did a great job there too thank you thank you that's bright just gotta wait a couple things so álvarez souls regrets not being here today she is up at the Capitol speaking of legislators about things are important to Glasgow citizens yes that's right and so the month of November official records we are offering to veterans their passport photo free when they come in for passport applications I wanted to mention that and then a little piece of fun so Queen Chasse go Lisa should be Gonzalez or otherwise known as the AP supervisor in finance is competing tonight and dancing with her local stars along with Gus Caracas and

others were going to cheer on if anyone else is in a great cheer yeah no Starkey you have some yes um I was reminded that I'm I appointed to the Commission on static women had to resign because she just took another job so I have a new one lined up it's Theresa Foster the wife of Sean Foster over so I need a vote good okay an emotional second although sometimes they I read about something else that I'm working on and I I don't even know if it's under our purview but you might have heard that there was a second fatality of someone boating you hit a piling in the water and we boat a lot and actually this weekend for long enough boats so we bought this night vision camera that will help us see much better at night but I I see that the pilings are going there's very little lighting of pilings in our area for whatever reason then they're there at nighttime it's very hard to see most of them every once awhile on the channel view the first channel will have a light but the rest are black they don't a lot of them don't have reflective more reflective Zana and I just want to look into how we can make sure that all our pilings have some kind of reflective fabric or coating or signs or something on them to protect our citizens because it's very dark and that's two that I know of you know in the last careful in the night yeah so we can help I'm not saying but let's put lights on all of them but let's put something on them that show that helps them be more noticeable at night I don't know if that's Coast Guard requirement or if it's us well I don't believe you have a channel marker maintenance program so I think that you do yes sir okay yeah parks does that okay so let's let's see what kind of check it out safe possibly checked out Keith where that happened to see what the issue is out there but the intercoastal would not be your responsibility I have a couple of things today last week Andy Taylor he reminded me yesterday that I actually helped change the landscape of the counter because I was weighing size and no actually I was laying sod okay so the fact of it is I was changing the landscape of the count how this how this ended up happening I'm standing in my office and I look out the window and there was one gentleman laying sod but when I looked out my window when I looked out my window there was one guy laying sod there was four guys sitting on the back yeah but the four guys sitting on the bench reminded me of what everybody in the world has told me when they ripe out Pascoe County Road crew or something like that you see I'm leaning on their shell boy we're doing things of that nature and it just bothered me so when I went out there and got started I asked the gentlemen if they would lend a hand they'd get through this job lot quicker and the company provided that side and you could tell as you come today that side is absolutely beautiful so but so when I went out they had one guy work

and the other guys laughed at me and they can and they join us to work and when I left all of them are working so bonus they just need the other country it's a sucked under what one County employees but I can tell you people riding by I would see those guys sitting and they would think that was County employees but those nice boots got a little dirty it's okay but it was good and the courthouse looks looks great that it needed that new dress so but then I went to you were there then I went last Friday over to because we always talk about libraries now to me how important the libraries are how the people they go to the libraries just families kids seniors all the people when I was running for election three years ago I had a lady come walking out of the home call your Park with a lot of rain she says make sure you take care of our libraries well I'm telling you the libraries are worth taking care of this I actually went there last Friday and went over with was but I made this pin in the working shop where the Land O'Lakes yeah now they do they make bowls and other things but pretty interesting you do that right here in one of our libraries and they have different areas that they work on like I think ukelele over here Q every librarian and different ones do different things so but if you able get out there and check on what's happening in library you can learn so much about so I'm going back I don't know if I'm going tonight they have a woodworking class or nice I may end up there tonight but great things are happening in our library and I'm so appreciative of it they do all they do and that we've this board is actually supported libraries and giving them their additional hours and things of that nature so it's really great so with that that ends what I have to say today septics we're going to lunch right now and if the board would join me and I guess oh you know just to have it all we go out and think they cover some veterans okay we're going straight down there right [Music] good afternoon everyone I would like to call back to order the Pasco County Board of County Commission meeting of November 5th 2019 I would like to remind everyone present please silence all electronic devices this time we will the public hearings would be one ordinance good afternoon commissioners Alexandra Laporte with Planning and Development today is the first hearing thank you today is the first of two hearings on the proposed ordinance for the self-storage facilities design standards the adoption hearing is scheduled to be November 19th at 1:30 and new port richey so there's no action required at this time I want to start the presentation with one of our goals in the Comprehensive Plan flew for design is to preserve and enhance the aesthetic quality value and livability of the county's neighborhoods development corridors town centers employment centers in rural lands and promote

well-designed private and public development through effective community design standards codes programs and practices and I I like to start this presentation off with this because this is really that umbrella for why we are putting forth the proposed ordinance in the manner that we're doing the format and what we've included in it on October 24 the local planning agency for did this proposal to you without a recommendation because the lack of recommendation is due to the fact that the LPA was at a unable to reach a consensus regarding the geographic applicability of section 1105 point 5 general design standards so they thought that there wasn't a consensus on whether that should apply across the county or just to the corridor the parcel is located along the corridor the LPA however did approve the following amendment recommendations and that was to add the Sun Coast Highway in i-75 to the transit corridor designation to the extent of the urban service area to amend the mobility fee description to say that it will apply to building permits issued after December 27th of 2019 which is the effective date you meet 90 days from the time of adoption the other recommendation was to change north 41 corridor and the portion of East 15 but we knew as 41 and the Suncoast highway to be part of the redevelopment corridor instead of what was previously described as more of the scenic and natural landscape corridor and also to amend there was a an error here to section 1105 point 5 e3 to read the transit corridor self back shall be reduced if the additional uses occupies no less than 50 percent of the ground floor in the principal building as you recall on July 19th the board found that a temporary moratorium consistent with the Comprehensive Plan and adopted the temporary moratorium for self storage facilities on State Road 54 and 56 during that time the BCC made a distinction regarding the geographic applicability of the moratorium versus the standards so the moratorium apply only to that corridor of the 54:56 but that the standards that we propose would come to you as a complete package that would go beyond just that corridor PDD during this time of the moratorium researched extensively local and national examples for the four other self storage standards the mentions used we also looked at the dimensions that have been currently used for self storage facilities built in Pasco County and we also gathered input from various stakeholders and citizens from across the across the county through a visual preference survey on commercial development and self storage specific we calibrated these all of this input to ensure that it would be consistent with the comprehensive policies and I've listed here all the policies that we are addressing with our new standard the first round of stakeholder meetings and survey occurred throughout the month of August and September of 2019 the stakeholders were comprised of both internal and external professionals in the field of engineering and land use

attorneys and of course the citizens by way of the visual preference survey so this is a summary of the results we had a hundred and three respondents for the visual survey and this is the summary of what they felt specifically for self storage what they wanted to see more development look like versus what they didn't want to see the biggest input was that if placed along these corridors they really needed to be set back as much as possible so it wouldn't be visual visually impact the the corridor they also wanted to see a well screened development with landscaping and as we're proposing with the transit corridor having other liner buildings in front these slides show just every single question that was asked and I'll scroll through them if you have any questions please let me know but a lot of this in terms of visual preferences how would you like the buildings themselves to look and so we've incorporated some of these responses by referencing what it really exists in our LD c-section 1102 in terms of how the building such a huge building mass gets broken down and what the requirements and details for that is so you get more more images like the top and less from the bottom although on the bottom I must say it is an adaptive reuse so that is something that we would like to encourage but if it's a new development I'm sorry where's the landscaping that was well this there's a there's a table in terms of the adaptive reuse and redevelopment that triggers that landscape compose that's an obvious it triggered it here but it hasn't been put in yes so here are some of the stakeholder input concerns that we got that have been addressed through the various iterations and refinement of this proposal if you'll recall there was a request to continue this item from the October 24th hearing for the exclusive purpose of going back to the stakeholders incorporating more of their comments and refining the proposed ordinance and that's what you see here today so the report the proposed ordinance sets up what's already being done by the industry across the country it also looked at other examples and calibrated those findings to the development patterns in Pasco in many cases these standards that we're proposing are less restrictive than other jurisdictions when they have proposed standards for this use there are five key elements that our ordinance proposes a new format so this format that we're proposing is following best practice but it incorporates more graphics and has less text it is the first section of the code to have this format and we recognize it but in the ordinance we're also proposing that subsequent new sections of the codes start following the same format so just more question on five freestanding recreations you know we had the discussion I want to make sure that have both storage in the RV storage we still but still in need in the area yes um just reviewing some of it that portion just tell me if I'm incorrect on

this and apologizes how about this Boston Oh is in the ordinance is this that you can't have cover open both parking for the transit corridors only so those are the most valuable quarter that we've identified or it's oh yes so the open type of RV storage that's just like an open yard or ones just with a simple shed we're proposing not be allowed the ones that are semi-enclosed and inc fully enclosed that that would be fine and again those are just for the parcels right on the corridor so if you're off the corridor then all of those four types would why I think if you do it and let me jump in on that one though if you do it behind the building you're not gonna see it from from the corridor so if it's if it's in the rear of the facility oh not acting as a primary freestanding as part of an accessory use yes behind the primary structure is absolutely fine okay yes so this is specifically when it's just that use not a mini warehouse now right before this slide you had you went back in October was it and heard of her mother's takeovers yes because I'm curious does up the 75 foot setback up her a lot the last few days and makes me think then you reach out to you and like they should have or so the 74 what that's gonna look like and sure the 75 set back when we discussed it with the stakeholders primarily the engineers that have done this type of work not only in Pasco but in other areas felt that that would be a really good minimum in order to accommodate future right-of-way improvements as well as when utilities come through so you still preserve that scenic quality of the natural landscape and topography if we do something less that might not necessarily accommodate those functions so we kept it at 75 other examples that we've seen has a much larger you know other areas in Florida that have a scenic type standards and corridors they're 90 to 100 feet from that corridor to keep that preserved visual view shed so between now and the next time we hear this for the vote and all they'll have a chance to put some other information and if they have questions about that 75 feet or way some of this other looks I mean because it seems like there's some misunderstanding about what that would look like in the future okay and we but I think one of the ways we've addressed that is that we've refined the ordinance to consider the height the unlimited height when the 52 corridor crosses the urban service area so at that point that setback gets offset by the ability to go higher and this era we're talking about on 52 which would be west of 41 but east of the Suncoast is that best area we're talking about for this room that's mm-hmm and I can show you still 41 that way there's this there's this they're east of East of 41 that whole segment and there's a small segment just west and I can show that on that Commission we have she's got more slides and part of that part of one of her slides talks about that yeah okay let's

see we've identified the three corridors North 41 East 52 the redevelopment corridor and transit corridors again the general standards apply to all parcels on the corridor as well as off the corridors and those are just a lot of them our performance standards they introduced clear definitions of the accessory uses and where they're allowed and some of the building standards from 1102 so these are some examples of formatting from different jurisdictions in terms of the the visual of the codes these restrictions have undergone a rewriting of their codes and this is the best practice to date of what they look like so we're following in the same kind of pattern here so when we looked in terms of defining the corridors and the applicability we started off with understanding where C 1 and C 2 zoning districts were located and those are all indicated in red they fall along our major corridors very few instances fall outside of that so the great majority do fall along the corridor here you can see how the urban service area in the rural areas come together and that was one of the things that helped us define better what that 52 East 52 and North 41 corridor how it would look like and this is the map that's been refined since the Planning Commission hearing so this includes that addition of the Suncoast and the 75 corridor to be part of the transit corridor standards the purpose for the standards of the north 41 and East 42 corridor is to protect and preserve the viewsheds and retain the existing natural landscape and topography as much as possible for those parcels that have the frontage on that corridor for the redevelopment corridor we really want to support the development of adaptive reuse and that is contextually appropriate for the surrounding communities as you can see here it takes various forms but certainly allowing for standards that recognize the unique characteristics of these corridors with minimal setbacks and/or flexibility for an encouragement of the adaptive reuse is really big so I know certainly an adaptive reuse is when you come in into a an existing building already that was a different use and you come in and you change that use so in the case of a Kmart or Service Merchandise clearly a different function and now u-haul or any other self storage type uses can use those large buildings for their new purpose and it's great because you can reorganize the the surface parking lot in front for your accessory use and potentially still leave out parcel availability for new businesses to come in front if you do you know if there's enough space and the transit corridor we certainly the purpose of these standards were to accommodate employment generating uses to come in the front the examples that we looked that Commissioner Moore had cited or very much at the forefront of what these standards represent in terms of allowing for the liner building to come in front the self storage is in the pink and it's behind set back in the examples that we saw that would be what

you might have qualified as like the second tier parcel or you know two parcels removed from the corridor we have incentivized that it be a multi-use or mixed-use building by saying that you don't have to set yourself back two hundred and feet from the from the corridor if you include active ground-floor use space and you activate that corridor like we would like it to be so you can move yourself right up and still be a self-storage if you have that function on the ground and then the general design standards again the building portion of it as identified references and summarizes specific sections of 1102 that we are ready use to review large-scale retail and commercial buildings so when the average self storage building is 90 thousand square feet it is a rather imposing building and we're applying those same standards of review in terms of the the building structure and massing to self storage we've denoted again what I said the multi use standards and that in setback incentive if you activate the ground floor with uses that generate more employment we've reduced the parking requirements previously it was a thousand one per thousand square feet so again 90,000 square foot buildings everyone was coming in for alternative standards so we did away with that and just incorporated into the standards we defined accessory uses and then we created the new permitted principal use of the free-standing recreational boat storage which did not exist before it was under the umbrella of the mini warehouse so it was just by interpretation on you know what standards would get applied to it but now that has been pooled and and it has its own definition as well as standards and this summarizes specifically the freestanding RV boat storage we've maintained it as a special exception in c1 it is now a permitted principal use in c2 we've only done the the prohibition on the open and covered boat in RV storage along the transit corridor and then we we essentially kept the visual screen requirements as previously in the LDC and made just some you know some tweaks in terms of chain-link fence and things like that would otherwise and with that I do have an update on the mobility fee study that was being completed it was finished last week the average trip was nine point four seven per acre so the unit of measurement will be acres in that square footage and staffing consultants are working right now to update the spreadsheet with the fee structure and that should be completed next week so by the time we see you again November 19th we should have all those numbers populated would it would you like me to or because something big I'm a big fan of visual preference service let me [Music] and I think in your packet I'll have to unhide the slides I think in your packet I showed you all the questions that we asked regarding commercial development in general so briefly it talked about

how you like the buildings to be how you'd like the buildings to interact with each other do you want to see parking as the dominant feature where would parking be located how do you like to move about the development is it through parking lots or is it with sidewalks and well define pedestrian spaces and I'm I have people commenting on that discussion to me with the new development at 54 no because it's not created for any kind of pedestrian activity at all unfortunate when you want from one place to another you have to go in between the cars and it's wasn't really thought out to be very pedestrian friendly or safe and we wanted to understand what you know what the Pasco citizens would like to see develop so again like the parking locations where do you prefer do you prefer large parking lots in front of buildings do you prefer them to be limited less prominent visually or would you like to park on the street the types of sidewalks you prefer do you have to kind of meander your way through surface parking lots a little bit more connected from the building front to the street itself but still it's not quite pedestrian friendly you know without trees or anything like that or would you like to see something that more pedestrian friendly and comfortable walk those two scenarios were we're also ones that you could choose the other question that we asked was how important was the convenience of parking so a lot of times you have development that says well you have to have parking right in front of my door and and the majority of the respondents said well I'd like to park once and be able to walk and get to everything that I need and not have to like go great lengths or have to get in my car to go to the next store which type of building from a design perspective do you prefer something that has less nondescript design or standalone buildings that are you know start to add a mix of materials do you like to have commercial buildings that have a more unified coherent or consistent building character and each store it has its unique storefront or do you prefer dominate what we call like a brand specific building design and the overwhelming respondents said that they'd like to have this unified while allowing for each individual store to have its own design and you have a question okay this is a public hearing I have no one signed up for this item is there anyone here we should speak to this item mr. hobby mr. chairman I'll be brief I have been in contact with mr. PTO's today sure Clark hobby hobby and hobby PA want to know I know brush Street Tampa Florida have been in contact with mr. P toast about some concerns that I have and I think other consultants have about the draft ordinance we did have a meeting with staff three four months ago but I had not seen the draft until last week and one of our clients and and part of this that's been brought up by this client who owns five mini storage facilities in the county and doesn't really build some of the newer stuff and

has some redevelopment sites in Zephyrhills and we want to make sure that if we have a casualty or something like that that we're not gonna have to demo everything that we already have mortgage loans on that we can rebuild what we have there's some other open issues in the ordinance and again I've communicated some of those to mr. PTO's and I would ask the board if it would meet with its approval to maybe give us just 2 more weeks instead of having the adoption date or the second hearing date in two weeks we could have four weeks that would give us enough time to meet with staff work through the issues that I see here because we do have some serious concerns about different parts of the ordinance I am bring him I don't have with me but what work would be happy to work with staff and I think mr. pitas has indicated that they will make time but he was hoping that I wouldn't ask the board's for direction on that given that the board had instructed him to do this as as quickly as possible Geri network can work to give another two weeks to come back with a final hearing you're gonna have you you can continue your hearing in two weeks two more weeks but you've already advertised this already advertised for your your hearing on November 19 this okay I'll jump in listen I don't mind having a conversation kids to be honest with mmm it just has two more weeks of the moratorium so doesn't bother me that's two more weeks I don't have another we popping up 150 can you see if we adopted this today the first hearing yeah it's cool okay first cuz we can always make tweaks between now well I mean we could wait are you saying don't women nothing to sixth anything else we can meet some of the people want to meet with staff saying if we can push it to more weeks out which is the actual public area so the adoption here actually say don't push the adoption hearing out right this is the second hearing and the kind of attorneys saying you may need to do that next next time only reason I'm asking for that is I'm not sure if we'll be able to get everybody together get the ordinance language worked out in two weeks time so but I know within a month we can get it done because I'd like to see photos of your clients stories I would agree with the comi attorney in the sense that if you wanted to continue just continue at usually the next meeting okay because there's a potential that we can come to a understanding with regard to the ordinance and the some of the language that's in there by the next meeting yes part of I kids have some of the comments I've seen are inconsistent with the direction the Board gave and so we have to be mindful of that as well so there are comments that I've seen from the industry that are inconsistent with the direction y'all clearly gave earlier and so we we have to be mindful of that as well sir so without necessarily here online public it's I don't know which ones of those are consistent or inconsistent we have meetings and work through some stuff but I also wanna make sure that what we bring forward in two weeks or four weeks is consistent with

what the board wanted one more person to comment well - 327 Grand Boulevard Newport to Florida three four six five - I've worked with your staff and they've done a great great job they just have a challenge we have a very big County and I and I reflected on what I see here what kind of building would you like in Commissioner marianas district did anybody ask if they'd acted you like a retail building because we don't have any retail we can't even make it pretty cuz we know the retail to begin with so a big County where you're trying to impose standards over the whole county is quite a challenge and that's why I stood before you when you did the moratorium and I said bite off 54:56 what you've now deemed the transit corridor it's actually my suggestion that they bring it up seungho's Parkway and 75 because I thought that was should be part of it and so I think what that struggle is that mr. biles just talked about is we're trying to go beyond where the consensus was actually built we're trying to go in the areas that counter is not a lot of policy framework do you really want architectural review of storage facilities in in Hudson and sound like that's a bad thing but or other areas of the county how does it affect affordability does it just make the price of these storage rent high or in areas where people can't afford it I asked you to perhaps think about the easiest way to do this you have consensus on the transit corridor Clarke may have some some very good ideas about tweaking language and so forth but from a policy standpoint I haven't heard anybody dispute what you're trying to accomplish on the transit corridor we start reaching out to other areas of the county unintended consequences do people know the policy that you're setting the 75 feet along 52 east of used to be some closed Parkway because of my comments is now 41 and 41 north of 52 that's 75 foot buffer what's the intent there what's the vision there's that can be for all uses is it just this if you have a storage facility it's gonna be 75 feet natural and then the next door we're gonna have a 10 feet planted buffer for the next use I think if you try to do too much we're not gonna do it right I think that's where you see the struggle I know staff and mr. biles and Isis but this is what staff was counting want us to do they want us to do it fairly wide well you're seeing that struggle because very difficult to do in areas where we don't have a really good policy definition those two areas of the county where I mentioned where the 75 foot buffer is coming in we don't have a good you know it's one areas of world transitional area we've never had an implementing policy for the world transitional area since 2006 you asked what the real transitional area is I can't tell you because we didn't implement any policy for we said it's not rural so it's my favorite n City but we didn't say what it's gonna be so you're reaching out we're trying to do ordinances again nobody who knows first of all cuz your memo to the public

doesn't even explain the ordinance we're all trying to guess what it's supposed to be is this what it means is that what it means not the first line in that memo explains anything to the public and setting new policy for 75 foot buffers on parts of the county buried in his storage ordinance or nobody would ever know to see it I mean I and I asked when I asked why are you doing this on these parts of 52 and it's 41 they said what we called those areas scenic in the billboard ordinance and I said well who read the billboard ordinance you know and who's going to read the store doorman so I mean I we've had a point think these things out it's kind of a pack of three back here Joel Clark and myself trying to read things because you can't read it yourself because there's no memo and it says what what staff is up to but that being said your staff has worked hard on it and I applaud that effort it's a difficult task I think we find herself in a difficult time with the comp plan that's 15 years old majority of this board has never had any dealings with the comp plan has never had their hand in the policy in that complaint cuz we've never updated in 15 years commissioner Starkey its Weiss a good majority structure was not on the board in 2006 but she was involved in a school board she was part of the ear process but the best board has never had their hand in it so we find ourselves in a place where we have you know zoning districts from the 70s we have a comp plan that's 15 years old but then we're asking our staff to do architecture reviews of storage facilities in areas of the county where we probably don't need to make those use is more expensive to build for affordability purposes so I appreciate the time I'll spend an unlimited amount of time I don't represent any client as they stand here today I've worked in this ordinance because I care care about the county I want to make it a better place but we also have to recognize the challenges in the type of County we have I remember looking at the Uli attendees in 2013 at a cocktail party and their eyes were this big each one of them said to me I cannot believe how big your County is and how diverse it is we deal with cities and so when we do these global searches for ordinances there from cities we are accounting we are not a city and we are a big County very diverse County so it's a challenge and I'm up to helping staff with that challenge you have a very talented planning staff we just need to work together thank you thank you there you go coming like that all right we're gonna do two weeks we're gonna do for me Terry all the staff has done a great job when I think I looked out and listened to us and and brought to us what they believed our vision was for this to be but I also like to hear from everyone and maybe I have no problem with listen to them letting them have a couple more weeks and we go forward but I want to give them the opportunity to speak their

piece before we put the gavel down on it but I can't make that motion nobody candle you can't make that boasting today isn't it it's not a continuous this is a first hearing of you have a to hearing process if you wish to continue at your next hearing on November 19th you clearly have that option but you have to have it full always you read their board motion it says take public comment take public comment you've only got so many options I'm tired well bit mission LX yeah mr. chair to the commissioners defense though then we've had this discussion before it does on p1 as she stays it does say recommendation of peru's we have two sorts of contradictory that's are the memos one its desire issue that's the service you but we talked about though no we're trying I know we have one through that I guess it just has a bit me I don't Jim well we're trying to get rid of sorry so oh well there's another kind of place our data all right all right all right so question so I think what we will try to do is actually try to meet with them before the 90th we'll listen yes the question I have for their changes you would like to see made between now and the 19th well I'm gonna get with staff to understand the matter that instead of like okay we can all do the same thing that will ask the attorneys to reach out to Clark and Morrow both y'all can reach out the staff and get your feeling we're going to do our part on our side too we want to make sure it's right sorry absolutely commissioner okay thank you thank you is anyone else from the audience wish to speak to this out seeing no one your next public hearing will be on this item will be on November 19 yes and we'll move on now the feet to proof truthful publication Tampa Bay Times of August 9th 2019 down Tracy's down good afternoon Amy Tyler with planning and development item p2 is PDD to 0-0 0 for 1 a large-scale comprehensive plan amendment this is the adoption hearing for Cpl 1907 Paul materials I will read the ordinance into record an ordinance amending the Pasco County comprehensive plan providing for a large-scale comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use maps map 2-15 and sheet 24 changing from IL industrial light to pd planned development on approximately 60 5.71 acres of real property located on the north side of State Road 50 to approximately 350 feet east of giddons Road and a text amendment creating sub area policy flew seven point one point five to Palma Tyrael x' and a map amendment to the future land-use mount 2-9 adding sub area to - 950 - PHA materials providing for a repealer severability and effective date so the proposal is to allow for retail commercial office and light industrial uses as well as the addition of a rock crusher and fire incinerator on site the amendment as stated was a flue amendment from IL to pd and it's also creating sub area policy 752 Paul materials there is

a rezoning petition alongside this 735 to PHA materials and PUD the amendment is consistent with the following comprehensive plan policies and it's located in the Central Market area as you see the site is located on 52 west of us 41 east of 589 and here is your existing zoning as you see it will be consistent with the MP 1 cm adopted sure just for the record that the Commission is warned not to just for the record thank you so with that we do recommend the Board of County Commissioners finding the amendment consistent with the Comprehensive Plan and adopt by roll call vote I'd be happy to answer any questions if you have any I have no one signed up to speak to this item is there anyone in the audience wish to speak to p2 seeing no one to have motion well the rock crusher feet and the front of the property or on the back of the function so we have heavily imposed heavy conditions on where the locations of the rock crusher and the fire incinerator are um with respect to the residential and the wetlands so it will be in the back of the property 500 feet from the wetland or 500 feet from the residential component and 100 feet or 50 feet from the wetland that's going to be protected okay I saw the 500 feet in residential but I didn't cats that couldn't be a long 252 for them so that'll be further defined in the end pewdie so this is just the comprehensive plan I move to approve ii have a motion or a second roll call vote district 2 commitment district 3 Commissioner Katherine Starkey I district 4 Commissioner Mike wells district 5 Commissioner Jack Mariano district 1 chairman run opening I emotional pass this time we would move I'm going to move p3 back to right to be heard right before P 9 and we need procedures there are two rezoning agendas regular and consent staff will present each application to the Board of County Commissioners if staff for Planning Commission has recommended approval and there's no opposition the application will be considered by the board without further presentation if staff or Planning Commission has recommended denial or if there is opposition to the application the applicant will be given five minutes for presentation the opposition will be given three minutes for each individual or five minutes for a group representative and the applicant will be given three minutes for rebuttal any individual disagreeing with staffer Planning Commission recommendation or anyone wishing to object to any condition of the rezoning may at this time request the petition be pulled from the consent agenda in which case that application will be heard under the regular agenda later on during the meeting otherwise all rezoning applications on the consent agenda will be approved by a single motion and vote if you wish to speak to any petition please give your name and address and whether or not you've been sworn for the record these are quasi-judicial public hearings the law in Florida is that your public support our opposition of an

application is insufficient for this board to take action please limit your your comments to those criteria found within the board's land development code madam clerk would you like to swear them in if anyone is here to speak to P 4 through P 9 please stand and raise your right hands repeat after me now do you swear affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth so help you God thank you before Denis Fernandez planning and development not sure if you want me to go to P 10 which is withdrawn item first should I do that one you can I'm you and do P 10 if that one's not gonna be heard today okay so item P tennis PDD 2000 six for Tampa Bay Times July 26 2019 P 10 P DD 2000 six four in the name of Arthur J and Dory be busy for a private skeet shooting range in an AC agricultural district this item has been withdrawn by the applicant they were drawn so they would have to start a process again to reapply yes okay so we could only assume that this is done at least for now at this point this that's what you have to assume is that they have they have given up their quest for entitlements so anything didn't you don't have to answer this well this is a question though so if anything takes place at that site now that they were applying for the permit for that is being done in legally it would be a matter for code compliance to address yeah okay okay before the Jordy you before Tampa Bay Times September 27th 2019 I'd mp4s PDD 27 437 in the name of Amanda and Bray also known as Simmons it's in for a change in zoning from an RMH mobile home district to an AR agricultural residential district this comes through with a recommendation of approval from both the Planning Commission and the Planning and Development Department I have no one signed up for this to speak for this item and soon when the audience wish to speak to people seeing no one it will remain on consent b5 Tampa Bay Times September 27 2019 item p d5 SPD d 27 for for for at Seven Oaks master plan units development district this is for a modification specialty malls of Tampa Inc substantial modification to the currently approved master plan unit development district master plan and conditions of approval to allow an additional use which is out of a brewery this comes through with a recommendation of approval with conditions from the Planning and Development Department and the Planning Commission I have no one signed up for p5 to speak is there anyone the audience wish to speak to p5 see you no one let it remain on consent okay p6 Tampa Bay Times September 27 2019 item p6 SPD d 20 C user 3 in the name of Pascal wrench Inc Belize Pizza it's for the sale of alcoholic beverages beer and wine only on-premises consumption in conjunction with the operation of a restaurant with outside seating and sales of alcoholic beverages on a patio and a master plan unit Development District this comes through with a recommendation of approval with conditions from the Planning and

Development Department and the Planning Commission I have no one signed up to speak for b6 anyone your audience wish to speak to p6 seeing no one let it remain opens mp7 prove Tampa Bay Times October 11 2019 item p7 SPD d 20s or 0 3 8 on this item this is a transmittal for a large-scale comprehensive plan amendment CPA all 1915 454 crossings today we're asking you to authorize the transmittal to the Department of Economic opportunity and other reviewing agencies for a change in the large-scale maps 2-15 and chain and sheet 20 changing from res 3 residential 3 dwelling units per gross acre - Oh F office and again it's an authoress authorization tour transmitted to the d EO and other reviewing agencies ok I have no one signed up to speak to p7 is anyone in the audience wish to speak to p7 see you know want to let it remain open sound PA Tampa Bay Times October 2nd 2019 it is PDD 2000 9 1 it's a development of regional impact development order amendment it's a resolution by the Board of County Commissioners of Pasco County Florida amending the Wesley Chapel Lakes development of regional impact number 166 development order as amended resolutions number 90 - 55 and resolution numbers 11 - 27 subsequent amendments thereto to those to amend map age to reflect the elimination of Beardsley Drive east of meadow Point Boulevard per ordinance 1950 15 which amended the highway vision plan and functional classification map map 7 - 36 today we're asking you to approve the resolution amending the do for the Wesley Chapel Lakes DRI I have no one who signed up for p8 does anyone in the audience wish to speak to PA seeing no one remaining all consent and the pleasures of or deserves exactly a second although make one comment you do want to like to make one comment on one comment that I think Denise squeak speaks quicker than mic thank you we I caught her well thank you a promotion a second all those in favor say aye aye thank yous like sign motion pass we now move on to p9 and proof okay so you want P 3 and P 9 oh excuse me B 3 of me purse and then be mad ok great for B 3 first actually they were both in the Tampa Bay Times October 18 2019 for both P 3 and P not V not okay [Applause] Thank You mr. chairman Victoria's PTO's planning and development department at a p3 is PDV 2004 to large-scale comprehensive plan amendment in the name of Cpl 1813 Grand Oaks the project proposes to change the future land use film as well as eventual unveiling new Proclus acre to PD planned development on approximately 175 point seven two acres with associated sub area policies this is the location of the subject properties which are in East Central Pasco County it's also on the south west corner of State Route 52 and Prospect Road intersection outlined in red some of the surrounding zoning districts include mpu DS owning C to zoning AC and AR zoning and some of the surrounding

land uses include res one and RoR to the north agricultural rural to the east and village meexcuse to the south and west on this slide you'll note a better idea of the surrounding area as you can see the town of st. Leo is aborting to the northwest portion of the property and it's surrounded by the villages of Pasadena Hills a special area plan special area planned area the green that you see on the overhead depicts the village center of village a which is at the intersection of the Clinton Avenue extension of Prospect Road that's important to note that the proposed project is not within the Bo pH boundaries the village of Pasadena Hills it's only surrounded by it and that village a is only on the east side of Prospect Road again the project proposes a flue change from res one to PD and undeveloped and vacant land these are the maps that we will be amending depicting the res one flew here on this map and then the PD flew on this map as previously mentioned the proposed PD flew has associated sub area policies the severe policies require any future rezoning amendments to be an NP UD and it discusses the minimization of visual intrusion of development by utilizing existing vegetation as landscaping it also encourages the development transition away from the intersection of Clinton Avenue extension and Prospect Road in providing bike and pedestrian connectivity to existing and planned trails again that proposed project is not within vo pH but village a is to the east and it establishes a village center at the intersection and that is planned for higher density at the center and it diminishes that this particular project proposes higher density towards the center village a and diminishes that intensity as it gets closer to the town of Saint Leo to the West with the maximum nine hundred rolling units that would result in a density of about five point zero six volumes per cross acre which is appropriate given the surrounding village densities that can allow between four to ten volume this progress occur within the villages of Pasadena Hills there are also an Associated and there is an amputee coming up next that addresses the site more specifically within those regulations this is again showing where village a is located and the surrounding densities along the subject property between four to ten dwelling in this per acre and the subject site being at about five point zero six here's the actual vo pH plan a special area plan with the village center map in relation to the subject property again we've got the listener a highlighted in the in the circle here and you can see that only the east side has a vo pH plan associated with it the transportation needs assessment showed the study area would operate and an acceptable level of service with the proposed development and before I conclude for the record I'll read the ordinance title in ordinance amending the Pasco County comprehensive plan

providing for a large-scale covering plan amendments the future land use maps changing from res 1 to PD plan development and approximately 170 2.72 acres of real property located on the southwest corner of salò 52 in Prospect Road intersection and text amendment creating sub area policy flue 71.5 3 Grand Oaks and the map amendments the future language map that 2-9 adding sub area map to - 953 Grand Oaks providing four pillars of ability and an effective date with that planning our development provides the board for alternative actions that can be taken with regard to this particular project one is to adopt the proposed amendment as presented the second adopt the proposal with modifications to it the third option is to deny the proposed amendment and the fourth option is to direct staff to another course of action and that will complete the Comprehensive Plan presentation okay as well like name an address Barbara will high 63 27 Grand Boulevard move over to Florida 3 4 6 5 2 for the applicant I'm just gonna just make one statement I also have Matt Armstrong here as well as mr. I afraid he's the client owner of the property this is the result of a four and a half year planning effort we are proud of this plan it's a staffs plan we worked with staff as to how to bring this property forward and it was very thoughtfully thoughtfully put up forward what the density is gonna we're going to be how it was gonna transition from villages to the town and how we were going to treat the adjacencies so with that I want to save any time that I might have I'm not sure what the presentation to you will be on behalf of the town I don't think anybody else is here but we'd like to say the rest of our time to come back if we need to address anything in rebuttal I have no one signed up for p3 just because everyone here at least to speak to p3 you do have for p9 I don't this is entirely separate separate hearing I'm separating yeah so we have no one here signed up to speak for p3 is the only one wish in the audience wish to speak to feed three it is a roll call vote so we're going to be clear its approval of the ordinance okay yep real call but okay district to Commissioner might more District three Commissioner Catherine Starkey I District four Commissioner Mike wells district five Commissioner Jack Mariano district one chairman Ron Oakley I motion passed this time would go to fifty nine and we've already had proof good afternoon Tammy Snyder Planning and Development Grand Oaks and PUD PDD 2073 51 it's located at the southwest corner of the state road 52 and Prospect Road intersection can I just say ditto mr. pitocin presentation here's the location there you've got the vo pH village a town center we've got the village a/c town center just off the screen town of st. Leo they contributed to the north in the master plan the request is for rezoning from AC agricultural a our agricultural

residential and a c2 general commercial zoning district to an MPEG master plan unit development allowing 600 single-family detached attached villas townhomes and multi-family dwelling units 340 thousand square feet of commercial development and 60,000 square feet of office on approximately one hundred seventy seven point seven five acres the applicant is also seeking of course by the comprehensive plan amendment see pal 1813 for a change in the future land use from res one to PD plan development the applicant proposes the main access to the subject property off of Prospect Road south of the intersection of 52 which is an existing signalized intersection here we have the surrounding zoning districts existing land uses and future land uses the proposed development is located in the Central Market area and outside of an urban service area and a rural area the proposed request is consistent with the Pasco County land development coach after 400 subsection 4 o 2.2 zoning amendment and PUD master Planned Unit development and with the applicable provisions of the Pasco County Comprehensive Plan PDD recommends approval based on the following criteria the proposal steps on density and creates an appropriate transition between the higher densities of the villages of Pasadena Hills and the town of st. Leo the proposed development will provide both residential options and non-residential services for students near campus it will provide entitlements outside the borders of the town of Saint Leo which meet the service needs of the students faculty and residents while maintaining the rural character of the area and with that PDV recommends approval with conditions barbar Wilhite 63 27 Grand Boulevard Newport to Florida three four six five two for the applicant again we'll reserve our time and see what might be said by the town of Saint Leo I would just let you know that these applications have been pending since June of 2018 almost a year and a half we've worked hard on this project to address any comments or concerns we have added conditions to this project Matt and I have brought those conditions and added into this project requirements well beyond the land development code and I also wanted to just say that Matt's available is a presentation available depending on what the what the public comment is thank you Barbara can you state the record that you are small I was sworn yes all right I have signed up to speak this on so Patricia Petrov for the town of Saint Leo please state your name and address and whether or not you've been support force warning there good afternoon my name is Patricia Petra my law firm address is 1206 manatee Avenue West and breaking to Florida 342 OHS six I have been sworn I am the town attorney for the town of st. Leah it's not often I get to come address you happy to be here today the as you could note the town of st. Leo did object to the complaint amendment that we worked very hard with

the staff and in your complaint amendment which you just adopted there are policies that were required that you are required to address visual intrusion I sent out an eval etter yesterday to all of you or my staff did I don't know if you had the opportunity to take a look at that letter I have additional copies here for you for those of you who for whatever reason or you know did not open your email yesterday so if anybody would like an extra copy of that letter I'm happy make it available so does anybody does anybody need the letter shall I gives me huh I just hand a coffee to the Miss Petroff is this the letter that was emailed from my office yesterday of importance in that letter is a elevation survey it's taken off the internet it shows you the relative elevations of the land in the town of Saint Leo and the land of this particular project there is a at least a 15 10 to 15 foot elevation between shakes the houses on Shakespeare trail and the houses which will be in this project we had asked for better transitions we had asked for greater setbacks we had asked for some of those homes to be single-story we had asked for enhance landscaping to provide additional protection none of those opportunities were provided to my client and that is why we are opposing this rezoning application today because we don't think the transitions are appropriate or adequate if you could look at the aerial photograph you will see that a large large portion of the town everything shown in green in this map those houses will be visible on those hills not just the rooftops of the houses the houses will be visible everything in yellow there will be some visibility but not as great for the people on shakespeare trail there is a likelihood if someone built a two-story house that there will be a 40 a structure that is 45 5 feet looming over the houses on Shakespeare Trail we are respectfully requesting and I know that a lot of work has gone into this but we respect requesting that you table this indirect staff to take another look at those transitions because it is our my opinion that the zoning conditions were never changed when your long-range planning staff changed the comprehensive plan amendment specifically policies B and C that you've just adopted I'm gonna bring Matt Armstrong up in up to present we did receive a copy of the town's letter where they've threatened a potential litigation so if we may have a little bit extra time we're gonna use our time but if we have a little bit indulgence as we set up a few things and explain a few things for you and also submit mr. Armstrong's resume you're all familiar with mr. Armstrong he has a planner and he can also discuss his background so he is a an expert in the field of tea speaks so let me bring up Matt and with your indulgence let him go through a few things with you and explain whatever coming from on them to this project good afternoon Matt harm strong one six eight four seven Nikki Lane odessa florida i here in Pasco County three

three five five six yes I was warming thank you I was going to ask permission if we can have our brief PowerPoint just to show a couple things I think a picture is worth a thousand words so the shorter the better we can bring that up to be great that sounds like we need permission to show the PowerPoint okay yes you can show the PowerPoint thank you thank you I think Wow well we'd load that up just just by way of background myself very very familiar with this area spend a lot of time driving around this area for many years although back until 2006 spent a lot of time at the University I know a lot of the issues with respect to elevation and viewsheds not foreign to that either having grown up in Colorado we deal with that quite a bit you've got a lot of change in topography it's very common there you may have someone's house in their backyard and you've got someone that's you know 30 feet above you up the hillside and and good neighbors aren't in short supply they're just because of that difference in the slope in this particular case what I'm going to point out is where it is those elevations the existing vegetation and some of the things that we did to mitigate for that so let me let me get right to that of course we know where this is by now thanks to the plant and development department I think I think we've we've covered that quite well so let me get right to the issue of visibility we did spend a lot of time talking with the town about buffers I went to a couple of town meetings and we wanted to be sensitive to that and of course to meet the comp plan sub area policies we added a an additional 20 foot buffer that is plaited separately so that buffer will be its own planted parcel that belongs to the homeowners association that the MPD requires be established for this so that that property is not part of a lot it's not in a private ownership and it's the responsibility for maintaining that goes to the HOA for this neighborhood so you've got a 20-foot planted buffer that does have a landscape requirement and the conditions have approved we got very specific about planting and that buffer and the trees that have to go in there how that buffer needs to to create that visual obstruction and we also have a requirement in there for a wall in addition to that landscaping so in addition to the 20-foot platted buffer that the HOA is responsible for we've got a ten-foot minimum rear setback so once the actual Lots for the homes start there's the typical 10-foot rear setback before you can have a screen enclosure or something like that now before before you even get to a house so if you look at the graphic right there we've got some elevation points that start out the 180 it's hard to see on here that line that contour these are one foot contour lines taken off the pass code mapper natural features layer provided by the county so we've got 188 that comes through the corner this white line that you see here the white dotted line that's the the one

lot that touches the subject property how that light is in Shakespeare Lane that's one of the one-acre lots that's there those are all larger lot homes on Shakespeare Lane this is the corner where we where we touch that's that single corner where we touch again the white dotted line that's that property boundary the 188 is right at the corner of that property and as you come over that first 20 foot buffer and then our 10-foot setback that brings us to about 192 so we're actually about an elevation difference of 4 feet between that property on Shakespeare Lane and where a lot would start in Grand Oaks your your theory about 4 feet elevation difference now the house that's sitting back in here that may be a little bit lower it is down slope and the actual house that may be sitting up here might be a little bit higher I don't I don't think it's anywhere near the 15 foot difference that we're talking about but all we can regulate to is the property line anyway not the house that's over on a lot so we're looking at about a 4 foot difference if we built two-story houses here at some point up here on the hill and you're going up to 30 feet at the original line of a house plus that four feet you might be a 34-foot difference that's possible to see the top of a house but seeing that it's gonna be pretty hard when you've got a 20 foot planted buffer here with landscaping and a wall inside of it so there's there might be some commercial view that you'd see through there but again it's it's a compatible use so from that step when it's houses to houses so we didn't see an issue with that as far as compatibility goes and we felt we addressed the issue of buffering adequately in that regard look at the next slide here advance we can get that to slide forward for me one more slide thank you very much we did receive the copy of the letter from the town and I wanted to address that because that's fair to do so this this was the visual analysis that was prepared for the town of Saint Leo and as a miss Petrov pointed out the green there those are structures that would be visible so in theory as I read it there were a couple of different viewpoints so you could in a visual analysis and I've done a few of these and having spent a few years in Colorado myself say you go out to witcher's Road which is over there by Saint Leo and then and where the nuns have their new building there and you stand out there and with on witcher's Road which which I've done a couple of times in fact on the way over here today I did it again and that public road that public right away that's the view point so in this particular map this is viewpoint number five I'm not sure if it was from witcher's Road or from from another spot in the area but in theory stand there and you look across and in what can you see can you see a certain elevation out in the distance and then what they've done is add 20 feet to those elevations so in theory over here in Grand Oaks which is outlined over here and you can

see the new state highway coming through here state highways actually up at the top of the hill itself that's the highest point as it comes through we've got some green right here in the corner which according to this analysis says that if you built something 20 feet high right there you could see it from wherever that vantage point was witchers Road or at the top of the bell tower at the Abbey I'm not sure from where but you could see it well if we've got a buffer there and there's trees and they're growing up but I think it can be pretty hard to see you I did take a couple pictures from witches Road today and it's hard to see from the public right away it's hard to see even past the nuns structure anyway or the trees that are on that ridge line or down 52 when you look over to the side you see tree you see a lot of trees and so that's kind of what we're looking at is to say well you you might be able to see something over here in addition to the highway but if you've got a buffer along there that's gonna that's gonna mitigate that visual impact we think the other thing to note on this drawing you can see here the white outline this white box right here that's another MPD that was approved in 2010 that's village as a testament Hills it's part of the village center see and that was approved at about four point three four dwelling units an acre more or less unless they go to T and E they can again go up to that higher density as teri PTO's pointed out that's between four and ten and density right there that was approved in 2010 and and you can see right there in the end of that M Beauty there's a whole bunch of green which in theory is visible what that MPD did to mitigate the visual impacts we didn't see anything specific in terms of enhanced buffers so our buffer is bigger it's got trees in it it's planted as a as a separate lot we've done more to visually mitigate our MPD than that previously approved MPD which in theory is just as visible we look at the white area here that you can see a line all of this in addition to being within the town's boundary is heavily vegetated there's a lot of mature oak I'm sure pine it's a lot of thick undergrowth foliage all through there you'd have a hard time trying to look through any of it to see much of anything beyond it that's within the city's boundary they control in theory what happens on that land correct we have to abide by the county's code with respect to trees and Oaks correct correct and in fact that adds a lot of value to it it would go to keep those we wanna do that you can see right right up here to the again to the edge of the project Grand Oaks all of that area is heavily vegetated now granted some of that's coming up the slope it's pretty low down there there's a lot of water down the bottom of that hill but it's coming up the hillside right to the edge of Grand Oaks and that does create quite a thick visual buffer from most of the areas beyond beyond the property and again that's addition to the visual

buffer that we're planting on the property so I think that's that sums up for me and Tracy I don't know if there's one more slide after that if I could get you to click it nope that's it I just go back to that one maybe and if you have any questions that we have an answer [Applause] or it could be to the town of st. Leah was there not a time that was discussed that the town of st. Leah was going to possibly an excess property did not move forward with it which would have given them the ability to have all zoning rights and approvals there I don't know if you want me to address that first Thank You mr. Patricia Petra for the record when mr. IRA Freddy's property or mr. IRA Freddy's chose to question the inclusion of his property into the villages of Pasadena Hills quite some time ago his attorney did come to the town of Saint Leo looking for an annexation thinking that the town of st. Leo would just roll over and give him what he wanted the town as I'm sure you know your attorneys were to test you if someone who wants to make an application you have to take the application so there were some initial discussions and I was not in favor of that I don't believe my commission at the time was in favor of that either but we had to go through different notifications just like Pasco County notified st. Leo of this project and the changes we notified mr. Stein Snyder that you know the town had been approached about the annexation but to be quite frank with you all we all know that the town of st. Leo didn't have the the ability to service a project of that size and the town of st. Leo was certainly not willing to provide the type of density that that project was looking for you know the town of st. Leo is rural in character we have large Lots we have very few you know we have very few subdivisions I've only done one in the seventh and six or seven years I've been the town of town attorney we've only had one subdivision so yes did the representatives of the AIA Freddie's come forward to ask to the town if they would consider annexation yes that is a correct statement would that not giving you the ability to deny any rezoning under your purview as a tenant what it was you know again in the town test you miss the opportunity to possibly have an annexation and you would have had the ability to deny any type of exam yes sir we would have a climate yes sir my client would have had the ability to deny but I think mr. barn determined after several discussions with the town commission that it was not in his clients best interest to move forward with that annexation because he was not going to get the type of end product that he wanted you know I would mention that you know that we we have been very involved in all the villages of Pasadena Hills information we have provided comments since 2008 on a lot of those things you know we're not opposed to good development you know we didn't oppose your comprehensive plan we just have a disagreement with mr. Armstrong

about the transition and quite frankly you shouldn't rely on other people's property trees on other people's property to provide your transition and your your impact on visual intrusion we're just afraid that this area will start looking like us 27 in Clermont if any of you have driven by there lately from 192 to Clermont it just looks like little Chiclets on a hill because all of every piece of vegetation has been taken down and you just have rows of houses on all of those rolling hills and it is not attractive we put in protections in the East Pascal hold protection ordinance that would specifically stop what happened in Clermont but they're not in there right so that's not gonna happen out on these sites well my question was asked Eliot more questions okay thank you I would just like to leave you with a couple points first of all I want you to think about the significant investment that the county and the FDOT is making in State Route 52 extension it's not a rural area making a significant investment the left turn lanes coming off of State Route 52 north on prospect surprised all of us a lot of traffic in that area I can't imagine how the university state knew your oral and character is a beautiful University but it is intense you've got four-story dorms so Lake Javita is is now as in the county they pulled themselves out of the town or the state legislature helped them do that the product that we seek here is the same that you see and Lake to Vita so it's consistent this it's quite frankly the view is is controlled by the town they have that that's they have the property there's wetlands around us significant hardwoods it's a significant buffer from State Road 52 to our property they didn't object to vo pH our densities and tendencies are lower than what it would be with the OPH they didn't inject in 2010 when next to two of their boundaries and MPD was put in place with none of the things requested that they're requesting of us we added conditions that aren't in that 2010 approval next to their boundaries we added significant conditions and requirements on this property that aren't part of the approval that you found consistent with the comp plan and with the OPH and with the surrounding properties with that I'd ask that you approve this project and we thank you for your time we've been at this - time it's it's been a lot of work but we have brought forward a project it is the right project for the area and does respect the area and we look forward to it going forward Thank You mr. chairman mr. Moore I think that minute I ever could appreciate them be here objecting but there was not one citizen that actually spoke against us today they had the opportunity to possibly annex this at one time that we give him the right to deny if they were that concerned about it they would have done that so I'm hopeful oh I'm gonna second that I kind of agree agree that you've got a university that's got a lot of density

in it right there okay I know you think your role but I I would say that probably isn't the whole part of East all right I've got emotional second those all in favor say aye hi photos life-size motion passed okay that brings us to the end of the public hearings and does anyone else got anything to ask me today see it stand adjourned [Music] you