Board of County Commissioners
TBARTA October Board Meeting in New Port Richey
The board approved a $220,916 WSP contract for a feasibility study of Hyperloop, aerial gondolas, and air taxis in a 6-1 vote, with one commissioner questioning the viability of unproven technologies. A $7.5 million TBARTA FY2020 budget was presented, up sharply from $2.6 million the prior year, alongside approval of a $240,000 rideshare platform contract with Hana Incorporated. The board also directed staff to seek statutory clarification on whether seven affirmative votes are required for board actions and explored potentially adding the City of Clearwater to TBARTA's regional transit governance structure.
Agenda13 items
- 0:09Public CommentPublic comment on SkyGreen transit demo track and interchange fundingotherdiscussedread ↓
- 6:49Consent agenda approval including prior meeting minutesconsentapprovedread ↓
- 8:08Finance committee report and TBARTA fiscal year 2020 budget presentationdiscussiondiscussedread ↓
- 17:36CEO employment agreement modification to allow PSTA health benefitsadministrativeapprovedread ↓
- 18:09Contract approval for rideshare platform vendor Hana Corporationconsentapprovedread ↓
- 22:58Authorization for innovative transit technologies feasibility study via WSP contractresolution
- 35:09Quorum and voting requirement statutory interpretation clarification requestdiscussiondiscussedread ↓
- 42:32Legislative ask to modify TBARTA statute removing CCC administrative services obligationdiscussionapprovedread ↓
- 46:56Legislative ask to allow electronic participation for board committees to establish quorumdiscussionapprovedread ↓
- 1:04:37Discussion on potential inclusion of City of Clearwater in TBARTA regional transit governancediscussiondiscussedread ↓
- 1:13:52Citizens Advisory Committee report on regional rapid transit goals and vanpool servicediscussiondiscussedread ↓
- 1:19:55Regional Rapid Transit station area analysis update and progress toward milestone onediscussiondiscussedread ↓
- 1:53:24Transit-oriented development best practices and value capture strategies by USF Florida Centerdiscussiondiscussedread ↓
Transcript33 paragraphs(2,556 cues)
[Music] [Applause] she is here I think she's in facilities mayor and Mayor Jim Houser is not attending Secretariat when you have a core on the Commission if you have okay before we get started is there any Commissioner that has to leave early today because we have business to conclude especially passing the budget so if that's so when everyone can't stay less okay first order of business is public comment chair recognizes Thomas Sara this morning - 1 making update on our progress also our leaders progress at sky green I spoke on Tuesday this country's new president requested from give an update on their demonstration track I do that until you have something tangible itself it's not because I could given forward so I'm able to report that the excavations have been completed for the demo tracking sandwich on the up the concrete bases have been born the steel of whites have been delivered and you'll implement that there are now waiting on the state guideway components that need to be welded together to create the guide like that system we expect to definitely have this completed by the end of the year we'll be able to the public that is we'll be able to see it all right after the first of the year so we'll be tangible they love a demonstration of their system flying on a close with San Antonio meanwhile we blog this week we attended the Uptown event and that was the gathering we were one of these six exhibitors there and we unveiled that's why our vision who are taking the Tampa Bay region from worst to first I mean we waited at the Times article that identified the Jim Bay Area's having before the horse transit systems in the United States do you have a project that meeting also that involves a proposal that we have in front of the university ball development becoming our D management as well as the University of Florida I have a few fliers some of the number not cause each other why these were distributed to the public and my last comments would be having some X expertise in aerospace technology Hyperloop that's not something with much consideration at this point the gun on the system will be able to serve airports of these three technologies that you're looking at currently a building project what's interesting from the standpoint of me and the air taxi say people write to the airport there's a lot of the original cockpit basically and the problem with helicopters as they have extremely high maintenance costs so that forces the ticketing price to be really hard I think all the technologies out there the aerial personal Rapid Transit is by far the best and that's why they're very happy that one that is being solutions you have to be a regional thank you thank you very much for those topics baxter chair right and that's the bottom I come to thank you for the wish to interchange funding and career maintenance and efforts along with those
4:37of my community to work hard on the westward of change thank you for that hard work will the westerly change in advancing that cause with respect to funding of crucial parts of our region and the crucial fulcrum of our region where we connect I also come to speak about hearing on November 5th at 6 p.m. at the second floor of the County Senator in Hillsborough County in order to deal with the downtown interchange sometimes called the malleus conjunction and it's crucial part also in this region that we make sure that we thank the dotd for a hundred and seventy-five million dollar quick fix of that interchange and while more needs to be done but encourage each other and the region to take a crucial link of our regional connectivity in downtown Hampton interchange and now Punk conduction and do work with the DMP on the hundred and seventy five million on a quick fix of that interchange for additional through lanes especially a second lane for the South movement from us at east over to Orlando Thank You mo me about eight or nine properties instead of the two hundred that would have been taken by the original grander plan with respect for fixing the downtown area on behalf of the business community and education and to their medicine and to their work and play needs of the downtown area change I would I would encourage you to take that energy who've devoted to the Western Mary Chain and others and help us accept all the deities rather than money going somewhere else the improvements of safety and the improvements of the malfunction junction in order they might function well again including including it to the two or four or five long-range plan and not having it removed by those who have tried to remove it with respect to neighborhood trying to remove the one hundred and seventy five million dollar which of the daily content interchange and would have to get on with the mobility of this region for which I thank each one of you for your vital part Rock is there anyone else wishing to make public comments okay not being heard I will close public comment next item up is the consent agenda item I go to the prior minutes in September 20 where our August 23rd September 27th is there a motion to approve all in favor signify by saying aye aye it's next up is the policy committee reports Richmond claim is excused today [Applause] the motion second any discussion all those in favor signify by saying aye aye there's anything else to report still recognized then you give the finance committee report the Finance Committee report I'm excited about being able to talk about because we a actual cash in the bank position at key part of today we've been working really really really hard on that have we have about two hundred and fifty-five thousand dollars in the bank our bills are paid and we are moving forward we've gotten several very prestigious grants from the gentleman government and David
9:10has done a remarkable job of listing out and the presentation that he gave to us about the accomplishments of tea party this year which I couldn't be more excited about because we're making progress in Washington DC and I look forward to do you want to recognize good morning everyone W Lea's I'm Virgil financial officer PSTA and staff resources to Tamara they're really I'm very excited to present the t-bar budget for fiscal 2020 it is a seven and a half million dollar budget of over 2.6 million dollar project in fiscal 19 I went the T bar area Carol you member of the transit community and an advocate within the Tampa Bay region when I say values I mean they are viable but in order to be viable you have to be both fiscally responsible and the budget for fiscal 20 is balanced and then our back to our favorite fortunate to receive an operating assistance grant from the state legislature for this year and that will help us in go a long way we need to be actionable in what we are doing the cap program at mute assistance program has within the budget for this year to grow the program up to 220 vans we also have money million dollars for innovators and technology projects which we'll be hearing a little bit more about later in addition to doing the regional transit development plan and completing that and moving forward on the 41 mile BRT preliminary design mental leadership be part of the humility we've heard this morning of the Finance Committee an excellent report by the CEO David green all the accomplishments do have had during the course this year we appreciate the leadership you bring to the region we reunited for optimum transit improvements we have to be united in all that we do I think the board here represents staff through a regional basis we have strong community and government leaders we need to be effective to do that we need to be uncomfortable so the information they're now providing this year is they're very timely from the financial aspect and it allows us to make decisions as we move forward and of course Teavana is extremely dedicated to its mission so the segments have million out of the budget that we have for Chiara it's really supportive of that mission provides resources to the organization the commuter Assistance Program the planning work that is being done for the training division for Tampa Bay one of the things that's very important in the commuter assistance program is we have now taken it from a point where most of the grant funds were being used for administrative costs where it's being used for the actual commuter assistance program error factor by the achievement is 72 percent or the cap funding will go to program rather than through administration so as I mentioned we've got the completion in this budget for the regional TV the preliminary design and environmental for the 41 well BRT our state legislative operating assistance and funding for the end technology studies we've also seen increased partner contributions to help
13:11match to not only our TPP but to help grow us financially so we appreciate all of the different people on the Commission who are providing those funds and what is important is our revenues are not exceeding expensive 581 1/2 thousand dollars alone for lost a nine-day reserve so we have other things that they mentioned that is under the presentation this morning we've done things where we now have improved health plans for all new employees salary functions are an average of 3% increase is going forward we're using our FTA 5470 money to do some of the improvements in technologies as well as pay for different expenses so we really have to come a long way in [Music] excuse me could you go ahead and let everyone know what our goal was with regard to our reserve as we did discuss out right we had talked about in mr. Starkey and said it's natural for everyone to have and good practice this whole practice they have a two-month reserve so nine nine days will be preserved there's a long way from that that's what we're going to work towards [Music] looking at the line item there's a three hundred and ten thousand nine hundred dollar item line for advertising marketing there's a under personnel there's a eighty six thousand for communications and other professional services there's a million for marketing can you tell me what the difference is and what will be done under each of those the marketing thing is the question you do have different work name for the different projects and work on for example various marketing for the RTP oxygen have marketing just for community services so have the actual item right in front of me but those are kind of separated based on the department under Community Services who do you have marketed under the plenty of the professional services is that is that how sourcing there's a big done in-house well the professional services announcer yes yeah David said the employment agreement needs to be modified with a simple event that allowing him to join the PSD a health benefits plans so they define actually prove that and it's the recommendation of the full board approve that to approve in motion the second any further discussion all those in favor signify by saying aye well before the board you can present that all right would you like to come forward and speak to platform that we use are there services and then I'll give you details about the procurement and ask for your action items today I think there are computers that one part for example they go on online into a web cloud-based system creating computer profile and then intentionally an actor with other people of similar commute our old ample bike pool we also in this platform to manage our emergency bike home program which allows up to four rides per your home in case of communica mergency we had had the same platform for about ten years called ride pro and
19:04with the innovations and software that have come out in that time we thought it was the right time to go ahead and go out to bid so we did a competitive bid for that program and then all took a caricature was proposed and staff resources to tmartn procurement back side of this one is recommend approval of a contract with hanumana corporated for a random action-packed walk with the to your face and three long years ago options or that exceed value 240,000 also recommend authorizing the executive directors exercise that three-pointer options some of the procurement cameras issue that applies with cheap artists it was also posted on she borrows website today's website in the Bastar it's a temporary receive cultures what a mushroom Adam I'll ride shark right amigos try to be this proposal is deemed valid sponsor evaluation committee comprised of three staff members of Christy screaming three savages of tea party and PSAs IT director the writing of the proposal started suck you practice we also request to the best and final offer overseeing that best and final offer in October of this year the proposed contract price is twenty thousand dollars for each of the five years the fiscal impact has no need to commissioner campus earlier and by this committee the price is in line with what the previous contract that we have prior to Brian mention software is on an operating budget for annual cost of forty eight thousand to be funded by federal 5307 three dollars was a good mr. chair recognition recommendation is recommend approval of a contract with a key model for a ride battery platform with the two-year pace and three one to renewal options for a not to exceed amount of 240,000 it recommend authorizing the executive director to exercise the three three options any questions it's probably a pretty unimaginative you know three companies that's probably pretty limited in terms of what kinds of services or what kinds of companies do this type of service and I was just curious where this company is where I'll stay on contracts and where else are on doing them well the US has new right and then they rebranded a few years ago of special significance II think that's really gonna be great for our commuters is that they also have a contractor that gives you different one and this reply which are the two districts that are continuous with us so our commuters will be able to create their profile and potentially match with our for example that is going into one of energy districts so and expands the ability for people to find matches and other things all around the country we can provide you a list other questions in motion a second any further discussion all those in favor signify by saying aye chair recognize Brian right I'm sorry principal thanatology Bardem before you is an action item we are asking the board to authorize the executive director of executing tasks work work under our General Services Consultant contract to do a innovative
23:13transit technologies feasibility study back in July the board accepted a one-line appropriation from the legislature to study and develop innovative transit opportunities in August we signed the grant agreement with f5 so we officially receive the light staff has been working with our GST consultant WSP to develop scope of work on projects ever to do a high-level feasibility study of three innovative transit technologies Hyperloop aerial gondolas and air taxes they have come up with a proposal of 220 thousand nine hundred sixteen dollars in aid for cents because the board has to approve purchases of fifty thousand dollars of warm we are asking the board to authorize the director to execute that passport or any questions for Brian and one question the money that we've received the money that we received for this purpose and I had asked David earlier if there's other technologies that would be explored after these three were viewed are we able to continue to use the rest of the state grant to continue this analysis once the feasibility study is done or as the rest of money refunded to the stadium what happens how's the million dollars of the two twenty coincide to conclusion the money that everyone asking this product 780,000 is silikal my table we would still be able to use that for follow-on so we're doing this I guess what you want to hack your own phase one if something if we come across some other and not only that looks like it has promised and we have money that money but or to do order thank you other questions and not being heard I'll entertain a motion to approve the stand presentation second promotion a second any further discussion on its rest I'll just restate my earlier concerns about it I understand that it's a same task I guess I could say that was assigned to to parta but the animal of the state there's I mean there's three things here Hyperloop air taxi aerial economist of the three to have absolutely no proof concept as I said last year when Hyperloop it is widely known across the country and all kinds of transit transportation journals demonstration in Los Angeles which resulted in 35 miles an hour it was widely panned into I don't know like you can study in terms of Piper's as I said before I suggested maybe a white paper to expiration from whatever staff rather than gender 40,000 the era taxes again I mean I just looked it up there's I mean there's just no proof of concept or currency in Brazil Iran wine and Portland aerial tram I've been both endeavors I've done transit several places is actually confluence in the impending Columbia I still think we could do a limited I mean it seems like the most a lot of the point system wasn't one just at any rate just I mean what I think about 240,000 I know it's a express bus route [Music] just understand those concerns because I feel like the sister 40,000 that is being spent
27:49thank you and I think Commissioner star he wants to do well I as much research on the Hyperloop but my understanding is it doesn't only have to be underground they can be above ground so but I will tell you on the air taxis they're actually functioning overseas in Dubai and one of our companies here in Pasco County in true simulations parent company textile is actively testing it Texas and there's a group in Charleston I believe and in Europe there's a huge conglomeration that are are working on the model so I would I wouldn't want to rule out technologies that I think are from me okay wish me luck yes excuse me I do know and have had a Skype meeting with the manufacturers in Germany lilium who has perfected the air taxi Commissioner just the information there it is it's a five passenger little drone the carries humans and right now carries five people tour passengers and a pilot with luggage and there the conversations that they had with us they are looking for a couple of places to launch their first test problems and one of them is here in the United States and they already know that they can go from the roof of Tampa International Airport to downtown st. Petersburg in six minutes I just really excited potentially very very another two years before they are actively engaged and carrying passengers because in our area that they would have to work out a lot of mutual agreements with different yeah I would hope that as part of the this study that we promote and we suggest Tampa Bay being one of the test areas because of the ability to go over the water testing some of the other areas have like a jobs have constraints because they're flying over heavily populated areas so I think we have an opportunity here and I will reinforce that I had a meeting about this at the airport with Joe Lovano and they could not be more enthusiastic about the opportunity gear for air taxis principally because of the water and the ability to take a lot of traffic off the roads so and this is I understand it can be deployed I mean just as I mentioned the community just the context of the background of this earmark this was an earmark that came to us without an air market apart saw hell so and the state-level wanted a study a high-level study like remove and I think they were looking for what transportation authorities in the state of Florida would be notice appropriate to do this tomorrow and from there the other two technologies available is and the air taxis got added into the scope so that's kind of some of the background of how this all came about the interesting thing about that thought process is now that we have been engaged and provided the money we need to take this opportunity fairly seriously because transit options that we are interested in and my support for the study that is an envelope has not because I picked something in here that I prefer is I would like to see the high level feasibility analysis done so I can
33:59have we have facts and figures in front of you to start looking at options that I'd like to keep our staff spine open to other alternatives and I'd be there to provide transit benefits like this and my experience for what it's worth things that build upon is excited about it and really good things to look at a lot of detail he's been very successful at moving people in and out of our area for a long time in a very small airport so I'm happy that we've added two other two items I'm glad we have the money to explore these options I'd like to see us take that seriously it's something that we look into for these opportunities and others that might provide the same benefit again I wouldn't support it unless they were fiscally responsible members any other comments okay none being heard I will mention a second that includes discussion all in favor say aye opposed carries the recommended next any other business with your belly would you like to give your vote on that item councilman we need to take a roll vote for this why they was six to one so here's the problem we haven't met I understand I have a disagreement about the interpretation of the statute the statute says there's seven votes required there's a question of law that means seven votes or seven affirmative coats me doesn't make sense because the statute says that and that there's seven votes required yeah nobody knows what a vote I understand that's the same sentence at war so that means the statute says the same thing twice which is a contract means a statutory construction you know the legislature president right would you also have access in no way leave all these with the way that we've interpreted in a title since I've been here is that my understanding is in confirms what counsel says that we passed for example a budget because there was seven votes resting one negative vote now if they were other commissioners we had seven those we would get it that since mr. Bellamy there audio issues this town isn't it doesn't have great audio quality so if he in fact don't be in those to serve those with Commissioner Bellamy can you hear me or nice on the line I think he fine to clean up after the budget portion thank you I've stated my objections on the record and yes yes ask attorney for Natalie or somebody to get clarification on the confusion with regard to the attorney telling us something and few of us up here couple of us former legislators are not agreeing with that I'm pretty sure that's the rule the legislative history they wanted to make it seven votes have to approve those I understand I mean the waiter sentence freezes it before said it says seven votes it doesn't say seven affirmative votes right but you have to read it in context it says seven members of the board shall constitute a quorum and the board of seven members is necessary for
39:21any action taken we did that so the problem is that our seven members of the board shall constitute for that require seventh voting people somebody abstains that doesn't count towards the board so to me that's the same thing twice sentence so what I would ask is that we we have our lobbyist seek out clarification from the legislature that was the intent that it be seven votes that have to be affirmative if that's the case we might want to advocate for that big change is basically requiring if you've got seven as a forum in this vote plus it work if it occurs to me that we all were against something and one person voted for it it wouldn't count that's not this is perfect well then no action will be taken no it's the same thing I think I'm certainly not opposed to clarity on this by all means hey Peter Natalie came across a consulting we'll be happy to go back to both House Senate and the governor's office legal staff as appropriate to review and the intent was put in place their definition this underscores the need for for president as many people as possible mr. zimit under you are attorneys for many different used esp--you to all of us remember with this legislation and this understanding Thanks moving on chair recognizes cliff manual for the legislators what I'm going to do is recognize Brian sorrow again to start out our discussion on the dialog related to the administrative services we've been providing the CCC state law requires t-bar to provide a quote administrative support and direction unquote to the mq chairs Coordinating Committee over to all a silent on how has to be accomplished since 2013 the way we've done it is through a staff services agreement that we sign on a rotating annual basis with one of the member yes they give us $30,000 to offset our labor cost and you know 2017 the legislature changed the Michigan geographic scope of our what a longer Transportation Authority Transit Authority we no longer have Sarasota at Citrus County and our service area because of these changes the CCA the CCC mpro that's a mouthful staff directors and T bar staff have agreed that a transition into regional coordination responsibilities back to the NPOs will be beneficial to both of our entities as a transition fact because the CCC actually predates Department the CCC was created back in 1993 so we are going back to the way things used to be what we have agreed to is that going forward tea party will continue to use our website to post meeting notices agendas and meeting materials for CCC with the MPO staff directors being responsible for content we will continue to make tea parties conference rooms available for the CCC staff directors meeting and three other committee meetings our like I said the staff directors and their staff they will resume responsibility for preparing the agendas and meeting materials and then finally tiara was staff it will continue to attend meetings to provide
44:37direction on issues related to regional transit as a result of these changes they will no longer be Annie for remember NPO to get to our 30,000 hours a year to offset our labor cost because they are taking responsibility for that this is an information item thank you Brian any questions for Brian what we're recommending to the board to vote on today from the legislative committee is the direction to modify or statutes to also include what's been recommended here because what we have right now is the port statues related to our administrative services for the CC require that service would be provided we've now entered into a negotiation to modify that agreement with the CCC it would be light for our legislative support to recognize that change also modify for statutes to reflect the same condition so we wanted to include that and our legislative work and requested a and that requires board actions twisted in your chair you might say why don't you make a motion then to that effects I should share the works later I would I would move that we include in our legislative ask this year that we modified for statutes I think it's section three 43.92 two to reflect change where the administrative services will no longer be provided by key part of the CCC a motion a second any discussion a little bit beyond just removing administrative services it would actually separate all reference of the CCC being a committee of tomorrow and taking that out of the statute as well and I can do that in my motion thanks for a third occasion motion second any further discussion all those in favor signify by saying aye opposed motion carries we also have two other items we also discussed in the legislative committee the legislative acts that we have currently before them to consider where board members can participate in our workmen meetings electronically and during that discussion we also were concerned that our committee structure that we have in place today be allowed the same benefit of electronic participation in committee meetings in order to establish a quorum business there was quite a bit of discussion back and forth about whether we should include both the board and the opportunity for the board itself to participate electronically and then also extend that benefit to the committee level the legislative committee recommends to the board that are asked include of the board and committee structure being able to participate electronically in order to establish a quorum and then our board chairman Bolton established guidelines and policies locally with that legislation has approved that would govern how we participate in what our participation requirements would be yeah there's a little bit of background there madly can you give brief aside as you did at BU so and neither looking at our estate consulting currently we have for the policy bill the bill sponsors in the House and Senate will be respectively
48:33parsing a diamond and New Year song in talking with them as currently proposed the legislation changes would allow for the board to have electronic communications to meet core needs that electronic communication is not specifically limited to just a phone call that could be inclusive of also other electronic methods such as Skype and webinar type of technology with this we will go back and make the request to also be inclusive of the committee structure as well but it's with the condition that from those legislative champions that we have that that the provision be limited to approval through the board chairman so that it does not become the norm there is a sensitivity to and you should in our meetings are continue to be accessible to the public that our members are accessible to the public so that that is not the standard normal operating procedures is there anything further you'd like to do this animal molest any questions by members for that so if you want to put that in the form of emotion I would recommend to the board and emotion we all consider that we ask that our legislative policies be modified to allow both the board and our big structure to participate electronically in order to establish core emotion second any further discussion all those in favor say aye I just share office and I truly shared those concerns with regards to public access when it's online and the difficulties of that I listened to the first two meetings as I was driving here before the Finance Committee and I understand difficulty of me and other ways that it could be done like quarterly meetings or something like that I think it would be finalized for the board itself to have such a thing but I did did you say something - about the exception as I understand it the general consensus of the legislature is that this should be the exception not the rule so they turn sections or it's not all in favor call the roll please the the interesting thing about what we're asking the legislative bodies to is to provide a convenience for the board to use or to establish a quorum under extenuating circumstances we're not asking them to open the door if we have to trust ourselves and the chairman to the policies that we get to vote on about how we're going to use this flexibility so just because they provide us the flexibility doesn't mean that a few of you he is that the policy of the board can about that policy that it can only need to be done two times a year or under extreme circumstances we get to set those rules once we can provide the opportunity to accept them but today we can't even consider it when we need a quorum and we've had economies where phone participation from someone that maybe he's on vacation or gone or not able to attend when it made a big difference in our ability to make a recommendation to the board we didn't otherwise so that's why I like the flexibility of the legislative body not restricting this issue for us and then
53:40back to the board the board chairman in her own policy for creating this opportunity for us to participate electronically in unusual circumstances other members I'd like to say if maybe we could legislatively restrict that with a specific language like no more than two meetings or some more level I belong if you want to add into that you know that we would or that there would be no more than two David that a comment - Thank You mr. chair point of clarification is that this conversation was already taken up with months ago I believe it was empty the August meeting and the lobbyist was authorized to proceed with with two items for the agenda one was requesting that the mayors of Damon st. Pete be given the authority to appoint des amis to attend in their absence and the other electronic so this conversation has already been approved by this board what we're talking about now is the change of allowing the committee members also to have that electronic access and if you don't want to take that up today that's fine but having board members vote electronically and attend electronically has already been in vain I agree with you on that I think Thank You chair now we can now receive insulting your lecture this expert holding my best you're recognized mr. the language that was originally proposed and has gone to bill drafting and is being filed is specifically to the board that's not having specific limitations or prescriptive language as to the purview of this foreign chair 208 the rules it would be our advice and counsel to maintain control over your rulemaking and not ask a legislature to prescribe to you how you will manage this I think that definitely is essential to you and that's what we've heard from you over the last several months adding the committee structure is something we can definitely take to them if the conversation we have had but we never revisit that it was there was violence in body when we originally talked with them but what I'm going to suggest is that with adding from the language that they have proposed back to us as part of the negotiation processes they have more comfort if there is a provision that has it sort of the board chair has to improve to allow for the flexibility but also providing a backstop so there is not a kind of going forward normalization of you know not in person attendance so I think that that has been thoughtfully addressed I think that there is confidence that the local board has the ability to manage that so we also would be able to as the load of this board to go back and request further limitation for the prescriptive language but that's not been the intent I think they do want that sauce but I think they have confidence and trust in this or to manage the business of the board does anything for me you'd like me to expand upon well other than if other members have questions for this exception I have concerns and I would be
58:21willing to go forward if it did include in there some kind of different coffees of that but some kind of in the legislative act I mean we've had other much more prescriptive things in the legislative act I think to include that this be a limited option no more than two meetings a year or something like that today if that's needed and again as I said I'm ok with the committee meetings that I think the committee meetings quorum just isn't that significant that you know it cannot come forward whether community supports it or not they all think that that's one solution I would offer is I am happy to read to promulgate that rule you ask the legislature further to further proposed restrictions on us is that acceptable to you well I'm happy to bring it to approval mr. chair I've left my wedding so you just said as they are going to push back to us that they want the chair in this legislation to create these local rules and establish the facts that's not being a candy misused I mean that's coming from them correct so it was the feedback we received when we pur made our initial proposal was it was their desire to clearly put in within the intent that it was not to be used as a normal operating function that they there is a goal and desire to have in-person attendance to these ends possible and only in a you know extraordinary circumstance where the chairman have the opportunity to improve on request that exemption to the rule that the direction has already been established by the board and provided to you provide that benefit to the full board so the only thing that we're considering right now is to extend the same benefit that we previously voted on there's currently in the legislature to pass for the committee structure to understand where we are talking just about committees today the importance that sale and then on what other questions I wanted to know recognizer video you mentioned the mayor's the mayor's can appoint a person to fulfill their obligation for establishing a portal on their behalf heretofore is that limited to other elected officials or the limited are could be can amer is there any restrictions under the american appoint to be disk rather than if they're on keyboard okay at this time it's drafted and it's to be filed it would not prescriber limit the mayor's as to whom they would appoint it would be at their discretion I apologize it's a member of the City Council is there has to be a public process standpoint was what it seemed to be was is that if there was a push to include language today that specifically asked the legislature to limit to two times and that it not passed by seven votes the board has already approved moving forward for the entire board so that would still be happening regardless I don't yes yeah so it's really I mean I feel we'll probably when they think our discussion says solely about adding the committee structure to this opportunity structure for those of us that you know I agree we can't vote and by the work or
1:02:46to anything but it is beneficial to have a forum in committee structure so that we can actually have a reason for being there to make the recommendation without the quorum we can't do anything about this they you know we talk about so it is nice to have that same benefit established for committees so that in those student waiting circumstances we could establish a forum to make the recommendation to the board when we need you so my motion that I made earlier does not include anything that we've already done being undone I'm asking the board to consider whether the committee that the Chairman committee said the Chairman had established on behalf of the board can also establish or electronically similar to the prior direction we've provided clarify clarify just want to make sure that we're not unraveling the motion of a second any further discussions their confidence the context I did object however when we had these discussions Department the whole board and so this is consistent with okay so based on the motion then I had one other identity the last time we discussed the legislative committee was it's brought to our attention there's been some recent discussions back and forth between Tea Party and the current mayor of Clearwater I think David also has participated in some of those discussions and may want to highlight some of the things that he has learned as well but the legislative committee felt because of the regional benefits or potential involvement in part of war and we wanted to recommend to the board or have it or discuss the benefits of that possible inclusion and whether we'd like to reach out to them for authority David did you have anything else you want to add or no I know just you know I have had any conversations with anybody in Clearwater about them becoming part of the board or their interest in becoming part of the board at all it was very basic orientation type conversations about who team are it is thank you no I won honors for this this motion is about investigating this process not making a substantive recommendation at this time because his counsel pointed out we then have an even number of board members which represent obvious sure others one away admission okay thank you again I'll just say that I'll delegate it's too much and this is in one area I feel very fun representative of the population I'll just say others want to comment on that okay we have a motion that effect vote from the legislative committees perspective the reach out for discussion purposes is recommended so I'll make a motion for reports consideration we authorized staff to engage dialogue with clear water to see if they should become our regional transit discussions I don't think we need to make a promotion so specific that at board seats would be awkward even I think we got to start a dialogue before we get thinking about
1:07:39however if you have Tampa and bro and her on the board and I have only me I I'm hoping that the governor's appointment will be from past the pen so we have another voice at least we've got three [Music] mayor city of clever or verdict this come from I brought it up Commissioner Co house because I've had conversations I just you know you know maybe projects maybe who's a different way of looking at this so that we're closer but that we don't become a 21% more yeah yeah this is with all the respected my friend all right I greeted commissioner seal I think that there was an intention by the legislature when this board was established to look at how the county representatives but then have someone from the two largest cities represented and so I look at clear waters population versus larvae over seminal versatile terrorists and where do you start drawing that line and then reward becomes so large as the Commissioner we're saying that because I manage boy I do think that's that's a process with my horse that's when we start getting into some real substance of decisions on where things are going to be done and when they're going to be added to look at maybe involving those folks the subcommittee level to bring back to the purification will get it very much as being population based and with all the respect again the Hillsborough County has we're getting close to one and a half million people Pinellas County so kimchi things being those the representation being matched a population or maybe match to also aware that even structure is going into and we're aware on connections are being made are meant that maybe Plant City for instance I know others don't think that I can see it being growing and being a very central place that I move in this direction it's time that I appreciate commissioner seals I mean I think there might be when there's more robust or specific involvement or even just a committee out there to hear things from [Music] one of the greatest benefits that for feedback is learning as you're listening and my my opinion based on a couple of things one this wasn't agenda item that we had on board assumption not legislative order board agenda I think it'd be wise for us to ask staff to look into it I dislike consensus only requires board vote and come back with some box for us to consider through another committee structure as to whether the benefits outweigh the negatives for this opportunity I concur with that and [Music]
1:13:52decisions and monetary commitment on October 16th Pasco County pastor office of American consulting professionals we had a forum of 1116 members CAC received an update on revision 482 30 from the pendulum oliver's of all the purpose of the this one student the purpose of this agenda item was for the CAC to develop a set of responses to the peer review questions those are the questions posed to you at last month of our board meeting the questions you will be discussed and remember for the workshop we had three consensus recommendations for your consideration one that chief artists intervals should be bringing additional funds to the table for transit in this region two that the agency be positioned more in a room in a planning role rather than being the actual operator of the transit service and third the tea party should take the lead in developing a regional brand for the various transit agencies in the area the second major subject of the meeting was a regional rapid transit the Pekinese goals and objectives the agenda purpose was to agree on set of goals and objectives to reach the our Artie's primary service the purpose of providing frequent all-day rapid transit that is quick safe and reliable with regard to the project's purpose statement the comment was made that defining that journal all day to include only the hours of 6:00 a.m. to 12 a.m. may be too restrictive for those going to and from shift work with regard to the project's proposed objectives the group supported the substitution of the word regional for the word bus in the project description our Archy instead of BRT the project is about mobility mobility in quotes instead of specific technology the CSE agreed that reliability and predict to the destination are the key goals of the project of the proposed project it is appropriate to describe the project brand with terms such as modern advanced and mobility words do matter the CSD collectively developed a list of additional project objectives affordable community not computing an option or perhaps workforce cost attainable mobility second one is to minimize or avoid future road congestion third is promoting and sustaining green clean energy initiatives fourth reduce the need for or demand for a person and their bonus or possible the fifth convenient accessibility for the transition to the final link to home or work locations and six to encourage joint public-private development or p3s along the quarter and I distributed or had your staff distribute a copy of the flipchart that was used in that brainstorming session for your reference we started to discuss also how we could improve the role of the Citizens Advisory Committee in its purpose of providing regional oriented advice to you the board and we plan on continuing to look at ways that we can provide value to your decision-making we've received an update tell the CCC propose changes we've already improved that so we won't tell you that we
1:18:35recommended approval on that lastly we discussed the possibility of gparted providing vanpool service in Manatee County in response to that staff reported that the key partner can provide manual service to any company in Florida so long as the dependable starts and stops in FDOT district 7 so and however our marketing and outreach are limited to district 7 so the exposure to managing residents is very limited and it's a report of our thank you bill any questions for bill there was no transit management committee report we need the Chairman's report I'll be brief I would just want to emphasize that everyone is we made some legislative asked to reach out to their legislative delegation as well and try to reinforce what we're doing here legislative session I think that way you and your team such a great job we'll take the presentations now I know Brian wanted to make some introductory remarks prior Disgaea well we're going to take number seven as Brian starts that I need staff project manager for the PDSA of the region around transit what they're going to hear today is an update on the station area analysis the regional transit feasibility plan identified 21 station area one arrow that number down Scott bangle and Jackman's all of us from WSP are here they're going to talk about the analysis that they have done that analysis is include of quantitative as well as qualitative data a Scott will mentioned we've gotten some really good feedback from the business community as well as from city and county land use planning staff and also from our nation thank you good morning board several WSP a trying to do something to give you an update where we are with the regional rapid transit projects this is the schedule you see before you I do want to tell you today I'm very happy to announce that we're making great progress on the project we're actually quickly closing in on completing our first milestone this morning we're almost afternoon and I'm going to give you a quick progress update and where we are and then ideally we like to come back at the Internet's board meeting November and we will have five alternatives that will be recommending to the board to carry into the next stage the second milestone which is 10% and within those alternatives what will be included is the conversation about stations which I'm here to talk to you about today as well as how we connect those stations and move those alternatives in to 10% design so before you get started and do but I do a quick update Mahnomen outreach without actually even having a major outreach effort yet which we are planning from the end of this year you can see the stats here we've already almost seen a hundred views of the video that we presented to you in August and a number of website hits and of course we expect this to increase dramatically as we actually get to the point where we're announcing rejecters so has mr. Johnson noted we did have a great meeting with your Citizens Advisory Committee and I won't repeat a lot of information that
1:22:37mr. Johnson described but the benefit of having that conversation is we really were able to hone in on exactly the purpose for this project really focusing on that all day modern mobility that is quicksave reliable frequent and provides regional rapid service and the reason I bring this up is that as we go through these milestones as we keep vetting out these different and the technical information we're going to constantly reflect back on that purpose and make sure that any recommendations come in Florida or in March an alignment with that purpose and those objectives at the CAC discussed last week so these are the objectives that mr. Johnson mentioned the and I won't read them verbatim but we do have them here documented as you can see mobility advance technologies for both vehicle and fair health benefits workforce affordable housing premium transit services that reduce and avoid congestion as well as lowering community here traveling cost as first of all solutions that encourage economic development so that's a quick summary again because if you don't something a great job carving those objectives purpose being as we go through each step of the technical evaluation will always measure teeny and reflect back on those goals objectives so we get to talk about where we are with the stations that we actually get into some of the fun stuff it's our first major step in moving towards the completion of the milestone as you all remember during the regional transit feasibility planet we had a number of questions came up both from public outreach and from our different stakeholders and one of those key questions were ok 21 stations where are these stations where these stations look like and what is the appropriate number of stations that carry forward into the next process so we took on that first question how many stations should be included as we move this project forward and what that really does is by understanding the number of station areas it allows us to then begin to really focus on some of the details within each one of those station areas to be clear our point of clarification or calling these station areas so this is an area that's about mile Y or half mile radii where our station can you locate located anywhere within this bubble doesn't work so we're focusing on those 21 bubbles and once we understand where those priorities are then the next steps from the station perspective as we get to start getting into the conversation about actually what types of stations are these are these stations that have a platform in the middle of the interstate is it something that has access immediately adjacent to the interstate or is it something that's maybe two or three blocks actually into a neighborhood at street level and we call this next step identifying the station typology so again you know the number of stations that we're going to look at and then we can start getting into the type of the typology of each one of those stations
1:25:44and I know here to say you have Mississippi and turn seeing is going to talk about to be best practices and I think it's a great opportunity and I'm really happy to see that she's here to talk to you today about TV because as we're defining those technologies which will be coming in the next couple of months that's an excellent opportunity to take the information that she's going to bring forward to you and really integrate that into what we're doing at the station level so beyond that identifying those station areas in Manama right allows us to start defining what the tie stations they are and where they located but it also really helps us on the other side to figure out well how do we actually connect these dots how we connect these dots along the corridor what type of alignment is it is it a hundred percent dedicated lanes is it some other combination of that of that as we move forward into ten percent design so we did quite a robust technical evaluation we did a three step process which I'll walk through with you today but I do again reflect what Ronnie mentioned to you we had some amazing inputs from all your land you staff professionals across the three County area for example we had directors from the cities and the city finding departments we had four panelists mr. Blanton MERS in representing Morgan Alice mr. media from Hillsborough find information director as well was highly engaged in these conversations and because that we have some really great dialogue and I'm gonna walk you through that today we also demand with video what we're calling our business working group solicit that has wide representation across the three County area includes a number of chambers whether its city 10th or see Peter the host of other changes that are out there Economic Development Corporation's EDC's as well as our regional agencies like the temporary partnership are also represented so all the information that you're seeing here today has actually been presented to those two working groups and again it was both this combination of what we're seeing on the on the data side beside encoding concert what we're hearing from your stakeholders and that's where we're coming forward with this progress update and give you an idea what we're having of these piece number station areas so again a quick point over monitor or clarification I know I had a conversation about this with this board in August but what we are talking about here with this project it is unique it is something that is really at the forefront of how we modernize and provide modern mobility along or in interstate error structure across the entire United States and it is very different than what you would see from an arterial BRT which is something that operates at street level and it's stationed there approximately half - one mile apart now on the opposite end of the spectrum those Express bus services that we have
1:28:45operating here today Tampa Bay you know they have much longer distances between their stations and they're really focused on moving people during the rush hour and getting people to these destinations where actually stuck right the middle of those two okay we're actually looking at something that not only is frequent and reliable day service like a non zero PRT but it is more computer-based solar station spacing you'll see is more in range two to three miles between stations because our purpose is to provide access to jobs or why that commuter a regional service just waiting to see a statement of ID and mr. Johnson identified so step number one in our process we met with our language working group again all those individuals that I mentioned before and the first thing we did is we defined what are a must-have stations for this project and it was pretty clear-cut it was the key activity centers across the 40 Romana for more and the moss reason lock you in order there are two in downtown st. Petersburg for Street near Tropicana from that we have this station must hesitation airline Tampa the USF area and stay route 56 and pastures so rightfully began we said we're going to take these off the table we absolutely are going to move these stations forward and so the question is okay what are we do the remaining stations out of the 21 recommended from their regional transit feasibility clients in this same step we also met conversations with the the land professionals you know we have a really great conversation about okay well we know we want to get closer to that three mile station spacing are there any stations of the 21 we can go ahead and remove now for a whole host of reasons maybe they're not physically viable but based on their understanding of plans and efforts that are going on their individual communities or you know is it just some station for example a great example that is in the toy town area where you may be still another 10 20 years before you have the connectivity at the local level to make that station work so we actually were able to remove nine right off the top I will just send me to here we had three proposed stations in downtown st. Petersburg so with having fourth Street and Tropicana Field the the group was very comfortable with moving each Street so focusing on two stations in downtown st. Petersburg I mentioned Toytown and that might be a great opportunity but it's going to be a long-term opportunity versus something that's available to us now as we move across the bay in Hillsborough County however in Armenia and North Boulevard there's a lot of great local service it's already being planned or provided in those areas and we also have our partnership with the department and what they're doing on the modernization of the interstates and from an amine engineering feasibility standpoint it would be very difficult to provide station access at those two like two locations so the the the group is very
1:31:51comfortable removing those and then moving forward north of downtown Tampa similar thing or we know there is a lot of opportunities for service at the local level again our focus is regional service a lot of opportunities at the local level and Hillsborough Avenue a lot of engineering constraints involve historic resources so these are the five weeks of off so we have a seven mustache five removed in this first step and what that left us with is nine stations so from that we went to step number two so in that next step we ask the question okay regardless of the location of these stations what's the right number of stations is it centered is it 21 what makes sense not because of its position in the region but what is the most efficient and what has the greatest performance for this project and the way we went about discussing that and evaluating that is with these three criteria to see a we looked first and foremost at the cost-effectiveness of this projects because at the end of the day the goal is to see federal funding to give this project implemented and if we're not competitive in that criteria we don't have a project to take to the federal government so we looked at that first second we looked at the details and the ridership and start evaluating different trends in the ridership data to decide what kind of information or what kind of points that we can glean from that and thirdly we looked at cost-benefit ratio of providing those stations and regards to the amount of ridership that you're getting from it so in this slide is that technical information using those three criteria and I'm just going to quickly summarize those so when we look at the full 16 stations which is Vermont removing the 5 we first looked at a combination of 7 all the way up to 11 and the reality is is that less than 11 stations were not necessarily going to be cost-effective because we don't have a Russian who needs a project forward to federal government however from 12 stations up to 16 now we're well within that range that striking the strings to have a project that's competitive so what we saw is there are big jumps in the ridership percentage-wise when we work with 11 stations to 12 stations and actually when we went from 14 stations of 15 stations so that simple fact that long tells us that there are some performance metrics that are really taking place and serving that commuter service so we started focusing that on 12 station combinations or 15 station combinations but at the end of the day at the end of the conversation the the last criteria is we know that every time we have a station we gain ridership but at what cost so what is that benefit for adding the station in comparison to the cost and we started looking at if that cleared number really popped out at us is that 12 is the right combination it is cost effective is the performance we need to get a federal project the building projects for federal funding and it has the appropriate makes of the
1:35:07cost-benefit so what we honed in on is 12 stations now this is what we took to those working groups and we had a great conversation and there's a lot of consensus across all those working groups they understood the theater very well and they were very comfortable with looking at a combination of 12 stations along the corridor and if you remember that conversations like this they introduced you about the station spacing of our goal here around two to three miles and station spacing the RTSP we're at about one point three mile sensation spacing so getting to a number that was about half of the 21 is appropriate it means that station spacing for the third step was that now that we had a target of the number of stations we thought made sense get into the weeds let's go station by station let's look at the performance of each one of these stations and let's look for the five when we add on to the seven must-haves to get us to that number of 12 that that we're seeing technically performs very well so we have another series of criteria that we apply to the prioritization of stations and included everything from looking at senses and intensities we have affordable housing connections to local transit we actually even did a market evaluation of all 21 stations and we looked at some real estate trends in each one of those station areas we look at the land value especially the land value and relationship to the improvements that are on that land because obviously if you have a position where your land value is becoming higher than the facility that sits on that it's right through development so that's a good indication that track the opportunity for transferring to their development so with that we went through those working groups and we win station by stage and I won't go through every single station you can see the ratings here the width and a 5 3 20 station areas but with the growth we had some really great conversations so when we started talking about 22nd Avenue versus 60 second area of Knox County we saw all from a technical standpoint that we are a very strong ridership at 22nd Avenue is very close to downtown st. Petersburg but we heard from city staff and from counties language staff that they really like the opportunity were potentially looking at 62nd Street or a whole host of reasons there's a great connectivity to local transit service there's fantastic opportunities from workforce housing affordable housing which is definitely something that I know we're all looking at and I know it's very important in our county so with that dialogue you know where's the technical performance but for the purpose of our stakeholders they were eating more towards moving forward to 60 second half so it was a great conversation similarly when we jump over at over at County we had a great conversation about the stations north this is for abrasca mm okay and water slash birth when we looked at water since like those bird area there was consensus across the board everyone felt
1:38:13very comfortable that this would be an excellent place to have stationed there's great tyranny opportunities great redevelopment opportunities you're right next to the river there's a lot of community assets in that area and we probably a technical side I saw a lot of good performance in there so right from the Earthmen beginning everyone was comfortable with water submerged we had this really interesting dialogue to the the technical results that we're seeing from flora bratzman okay we didn't see the ridership that we're extracting I'll be honest I was personally surprised I expected a lot more ridership out of those two stations and what the truth is is we're seeing from the data is that those station areas being so close to downtown Tampa have such a significant amount of local transit service as it is today is that that that commuter regional market isn't there so we're not picking up there was you know rides which is the purpose of this project so it was really great to see that sort of that out through the technical data we had a good conversation with the working group about that but ultimately what we were left with is the understanding that between bird and/or waters area in downtown Tampa we even have some sort of access for the sum of all Tampa heights neighborhoods so we were asked by the Commission Commission director to go back and revisit that portion before or potentially adding a 13th station which is fine we were comfortable that in 13 stations versus with 12 targeted and look for an opportunity to provide the connection that's really going to pick up that commuter service that computer that fits the purpose of this particular project so we're going to continuing that evaluation now we're going to bring that back to you in November moving for a menorah this is jumping north of downtown you are the USF area we have another did you say that plan condition director mr. Nino asked you to look at the focus I think that would be a very I think it should be out water percent on the others so I'll just add that so moving for the moment from the USM Arianna we're looking at Fletcher and bears a very different story from what we're seeing in those two more rhythm stations supposed to the downtown reactor saw more Russian than we expected in the it's the opposite story right here there isn't quite as much for the transit coverage there is definitely a commuter market to be served and we saw the ridership estimates show that and prove that in the data we're looking at however when you look at their flexure bears they're all very close together so the conversation from the stakeholders was let's focus on bears as that point North without time USF and use that as that ability to start collecting people into the system providing that regional service and then of course when we look north to a scale we saw good performance and great opportunities at both 56 and 54 so we have great conversations there is there yeah so what you see here is just a reflection of the technical information
1:41:41and those criteria that we applied that three-step process but that's only half of the decision I believe moving forward it's really important that your stakeholders and the input we collected from those stakeholders also to provide us that direction and we've incorporated that just as I discussed for you this morning and this is the stations that were moving forward with right now heading towards that milestone number one so starting from top to bottom just to make sure that everyone clearly understands is we're looking at same route 54 same route 56 bears bears Avenue USF area waters bird the potential for something in between but if we have further conversations commissioner we can certainly do that downtown Tampa times West Shore Caroline 62nd Street in Pinellas the length of 22nd opportunity moving forward and then Tropicana Field in forestry and Saint Pete which gives us the 13th as we move forward so from this point and what we're really bringing to next month is working off those 13 stations or possibly twelve you know we're going to start looking at how do we tie those stations together what are a lot of options from an alignment standpoint is a 100 percent indicated is a 90 percent indicated what are the options there and we're going to bring that to you in November for your direction and that again allows us to that start having the conversation in the early spring late winter about the types of stations and really that be novelty okey opportunities just like Tarrant's going to mentioned to you today and really looking to move these five alternatives in to 10 percent design and ultimately make the request to the federal government so we turn to the cap investment grant order so with that summary I'll take any questions I'm curious if you looked at the new interchange that's coming it's overpass but it's a little further apart between 56 and 54 and the county actually owns property there and we have a very large industrial project to coming Liang it's 200 acres there and I'm just it's going to be a big work work site so I just wonder if that makes more sense the deport m56 we did have a real conversation about that overpass Road this is between juror of Pasco County Transit brought that to our attention was something that he was very aware I've been very interested in that is absolutely a possibility it does add to the overall which affects our operating costs and I'm certain our capital costs if we're kind of a dedicated length in there but these are areas where I think we can continue to remain open as we go through the design process concerns about Hines insurance I just wondered it was mentioned yesterday and I know it's been a long talking about perhaps the book in some of these stations in the center of the interstate which i think is from all accounts that I've ever had anywhere it's a 4-1 very inhospitable place it's extremely expensive place and it's not conducive to transit oriented
1:45:17development who let that walk into this and so I wanted to express that especially in terms of hot and so think it would be a very poor idea to ever consider locating the station in the center of the interstate as opposed to [Music] no very common questionnaire we've been working very closely with the department and working with the TV next designers to understand exactly what the geometry is and as I understand it at this point we do have the potential it's actually come down and get out of the interstate make a connection that could be it on the north side boxes are aging and many concerns about of course we don't like to see any don't believe that see about the Hines area or the flexure that I certainly would like to see within the city limits of Tampa I'm very concerned about a parking or very limited parking to me that eighty percent of people when they go to transit in an urban area approach it by walking and then also concerns in terms at waters Avenue because I would not like to see these areas with parking garage [Music] I just like to know what at what point are you that part in this process about its permanence process we're actually going to get into some detail on that you can expect that in the spring time frame of next year and you know we put a placeholder in when we were doing the planning effort for the RTMP now that we've got some details and we understand some of these stationary protectionists we're going to actually get into a lot more detail and I'll be honest with you commissioner my personal philosophies are approaching the defining these stations is that it is not a one size fits all we have to go through and look at every station individually understand the community context in which those stations will exist it means the right decisions for that community so it is the discretion of this board and there are station that has zero parking and that's appropriate for this [Music] well said I was with a group of national experts on these topics a few weeks ago I said do you know any place in the nation where there's a satisfied bus lane on an interstate and I wonder if they give me any examples and no one could and finally someone said they thought that there was one at the Lincoln Tunnel that was been in here for many years and has buses every five minutes on it just I'm just saying you know it doesn't seem to be a practical cost-effective option and so I wanted to bring that on at this time so you know yeah the pictures are all showing that and you know we're kind of discussion at that but I never thought that could actually exist because I I cranked very think through that and it's such a thing for set aside and there so I think that's what makes those alternatives when you carry forward we are going to study that we're going to evaluate that whether it's an indicator or some other combination directly to your content Commissioner we are
1:49:40breaking new ground in the live array here this concept for Tampa is on the cutting edge of how you apply rapid transit especially within an interstate environments but I will point to the fact that we do have this very unique opportunity present to us and that's the partnership with the Department of Transportation they are actively looking at modernizing their interstates and and have at least informal conversations of interest including these additional benefits to transit as part of their larger project which would be actually give us the opportunity to potentially leverage Ohio dollars not just special transit others so that that partnership alone is junior across the country so I think we're just kind of looking to exercise that opportunity and find the best path forward and that would be part of what we're doing there in the PDE but you're right we are actually we apply this this particular mode just doing research on that I just read that in New York City they closed 14th Street very busy since the street too and it's only open for buses only and that they're traveling so quickly that people are missing their stuff and it's becoming and that makes all the difference there's plenty of places that are really robust lost on the transit at street grade level we recruited them set aside that's where it makes sense but that's that is the honest truth of the matter is it's our region in so hopefully our minds in how we provide premium transit then we have meetings across the board and this is a solution that really works well with the assets that we have in place today to serve that purpose provide that commuter regional service the arterial BRT is an excellent tool as we're looking at providing circulation at the local level bring up I love brown and I would love to see in three parts of this region and it's part of this Pantheon the tools that we have which I actually take while historically been an auto dominated region began to migrating into a more modern transportation system obviously is a B's come out to see more and more parking to be diminished realize now and I think you have to what you do set aside part you have to also look at the convertibility of that parking to other uses as it supplanted by a technologies that just have a drop-off station we are working close with the departments on you know specific station areas like the West are in one Center in which we're taking that very much into consideration and providing more space than you would anticipate for the right share of micro transit availability to walk pedestrian as compared to sort of traditional automobile part thanks for that morning commissioners Terrence a director from Florida Center for Community Design and research the University of South Florida and real quickly for those of you that may not know the Florida center for community cyber research we are the research arm from the school of architecture at USF we were originally founded by the Florida Legislature in 1986 with the
1:53:46mission to assist the citizens of Florida and creating more livable and sustainable communities so we're really proud of that mission and we think that now is an excellent time for us to really be engaged with a lot of our local communities based on the topics like we're talking about today so when we talk about transit-oriented development there's two key definitions that I want to go over and I know some of you have seen this presentation before start promised to quiz you again but the versus what is transporting and development and it is dense compact mixed-use development near transit that provides access for people to reach amenities jobs education opportunities how does they mean it more and the second definition is value capture so we look at value capture we're looking method that proportion and value that transit confers on nearby properties so as we introduce transit to areas we typically see properties grow in value and if we plan and develop in a way we can actually capture that valium and utilize it across a transit system either for expansion or even maintenance we did a number of studies looking at case studies from around the country some of these studies where we are TV some were rail but most of them have two components both Tod and a value capture that were associated with them and these are the areas that we thought were most important after going through those studies so really being able to take hold of best practices and one of the things that we thought was really key we put at the top here in our hierarchy but for those performance-based goals and assigning metrics to those goals the other piece was really looking at value capture methods and strategies understanding what those strategies were establishing stationary and designs of measures so what are the designs and how do they function within the Tod looking at zoning and other land uses for Tod specifically and then we actually did a conceptual look at some of the charities throughout three counties have Sparrow and forever economics so look at performance-based goals there's several few things that we really want to focus on that we saw coming out of all of the areas around the country that we looked at so supporting 21st century transit was obviously to one the transit component Tod T is really important the other piece that was coming up quite a bit at the top of the list performance base were addressing issues of equity so advancing equity was a key piece to communities mix of uses leveraging the investment we need in transit and development creating healthy communities focusing on affordability and sustainability overall so that's how communities are really using those performance-based goals and what they were studying so we're going to look at a couple case studies for these so the first here is the park in San Francisco this is really one of the most robust systems when it comes to performance basically so they have a series of metrics and they're really looking at
1:57:05quality of life issues and they have time numbers - all of them including looking at value creation and investing in a way that provides out into their community and also through affordable housing measures a lot of really great examples to look at and the second one here is from LA so what Los Angeles is really focused on is that cost of housing and transportation combined and looking at ways to reduce those costs that transit oriented development and setting metrics for that so le is a really great case study for us here in the Tampa Bay region in terms of making a transition from being car dominated into how we even more transit development focused and as we look at the value capture piece we can see you know in our little graph how we've started the bottom once transit is announced those property values start to fill up already as soon as you have a plan and so that's the timer we need to act it's not moving to the start standing buildings beforehand so we want to set up those metrics and our goals and also our value capture strategies ahead of time to be able to take advantage of that capture so looking at some of those strategies and you can see some of the typical ones for joint development developer fees special assessments they'll see in a Dallas example where they use tax increment financing and so those are really some of the measures that we looked at in terms of that value capture opportunity and then a few case studies so Dallas is a great example Dallas is system 93 miles they're looking at over ten point eight billion dollars of economic development across their system they have four different districts and because of the way they set up their TIF through their value capture memo you can generate dollars in one district but spending in another so instead of being geographically based of RCRA aides are here they can actually be used across an entire system so that's not only how they improve some of their walkability and bicycle infrastructures but it's also probably have expanded their system and had maintenance supported through there another example for a smaller system Quincy Massachusetts and overall they use some public-private partnerships and joint development so this is again just different models has that value capture overall they were using development partners in the community to help establish the TVs in their area and this one you know as a background in architecture is obviously one of my favorites or the design piece and this is really important because we want to make sure that we're putting our developments where they're going to have the most benefit for our communities and also be able to drive the most development dollars so that we can support the types of goals and initiatives that we have so when we talked about that near transit piece for Tod it's really that either and focus on that first quarter mile around our transit station that first quarter mile is what we call the five-minute walk so
2:00:20it's the most comfortable walk pets that walk that most people are willing to do it's also where we see the highest property value and opportunity that second circle that half mile right this is going to be another pedestrian bicycle supported so this is also going to see development dollars higher and rise in this area as well and then we have that full model outside which is our transit support areas so people in this area typically are using these transit modes so really focusing now on that first quarter mile and a half mile are going to be key and making sure that were utilizing our land in those areas around our stations to two biggest value possible it's gonna get a couple case studies here so Richmond highway BRT this is a corridor it's a dedicated corridor they were really focused on Complete Streets pedestrians making sure that those elements were built into the overall design of their Tod the health line in Cleveland another really strong example this is an example of looking at neighborhood by neighborhood really context these solutions to their transit stations wanting them to fit in and to be able to enhance those communities where they exist also focus on the pedestrian scale that definitely a character based approach well we got to doing there were a few key pieces that we found when working and sewing around the Tod stations so some of the commonalities that we found about we're definitely in the higher densities the pedestrian oriented nature within the transit oriented development component an increase mix of uses making sure that the amenities spread far and wide and then limited or no heartbeat and I know that the partner is already today but this was a key piece and a lot of the transit oriented areas we find that you know they really do have a focus on the mix of being able to walk but utilize local networks for transit and regional networks and those were key focuses so and here's the a pulse corridor pulse corridor really focuses their sewing around the scale so as the scale therefore torch as their zoning adapts to that and they're looking at how they can create a full system along it so they really have created a series of priority streets within this corridor and so by prioritizing certain streets for certain modes and uses they're really having an effective plan so many model this one is free and Arlington's example here you can see their Tod ranks right this is really about that quarter-mile half-mile and they're applying their zoning categories within those so they've created their own mixed-use categories and they change in density and intensity based on where they are in the neighborhoods that they're addressing you can see how these two Yogi's are linked along the system and how they connect as they come along so we thought as we were going through the study that it would be important for us to take a look at and see what some of our Tod policies were played here in Tampa Bay so we looked at F dock we looked at
2:03:47Hills Rose MPO Ellison Keo we looked at C Tampa and as many different technologies that you could prove we took us how about creating what we thought would be some good examples of how we could look overall at Tampa Bay and start to create a Tod language around when it came to zoning a policy so we have a few topologies and the first year is going to be our most that's this is the urban center so this is really in a big year downtown st. Petersburg near downtown Tampa and looking at those high-density urban centers the next is the mixed use business center so again looking at areas like Carolinas in st. Petersburg Pinellas area and also looking at the West Shore area in in Hillsborough these are areas that we're seeing begin to start having more residential uses come in and that's what we want to see is that mix between the business and retail commercial sector and more residential come against that's what's going to help us achieve that mix of uses in these areas and now the University Center so we have two key University centers both by USF campuses one in the USF st. Petersburg innovation district and the other in the innovation district by USF in Tampa again these are going to have a different type of mix of uses focused on things that tend to relate to startups and other types of businesses around University models research centers and things like that looking at urban neighborhoods and we've talked about some of these today too so fourth Street Saint Petersburg Florida Avenue and bird in Hillsborough in the city of Tampa we have a number of other early neighborhoods in addition to these but these are a few examples of how early early adapt to Tod they're gritted Street Network to really make them a minimal or Tod development and then as we look at the suburban neighborhood center of services places even High Park Village in Tampa in Wesley Chapel these are areas that really can have an activated Center you often see a little more parking drive in these areas as they are more suburban in nature and so providing people an opportunity to drive in park and be able to utilize transit from that location so four key questions so we came up with a few questions that we thought it was important that we ask when looking at transit transit oriented development that we have shower opportunities as we move forward in our region so looking at you know how do we establish goals with measurable outcomes we found that this was really one of the key components for all of the cities municipalities and regions looking at transit was that they really have good goals and type metrics too so that they can see how they were achieving them along the way and how we identified priority station areas that maximize return on investment this is really important because the cheapest piece of property may not be our best opportunity for investment or for capture right we want to see the most growth and we want to be able to really take the image
2:07:27the investments that we made that we established selling for Tod which leverages value capture strategies so making sure that our so many things and making sure that we're looking at not much its own for now but what it could be in the future and making sure that we're tying those together and how do we establish design standards which to be unwalkable compact developments that would support transit while expressing the unique identity of our communities and this is a key piece because we want to make sure that we really do you take advantage of the transit oriented development by having that compact dense development with a lot of amenities there for people so when I walk through what we did is just very conceptual schematics to test out some of these priorities so the first one is going to be in Pinellas Hillsborough the casco and we also looked at a general station itself so thinking in what some of the key pieces are as we will get stations so these stations that we've looked at are at the ground level these are within these existing business centers or urban neighborhoods and as a way to be able to modify for transformative development so looking at expressway looking at fair board collection for fares and then real time arrival and departure information to your right making it convenient and easy and something that people can access so we began looking at existing local transit so what was available locally for circulation that a regional system could connect to we thought that was very important and also looking at mile walking radius and that quarter mile walking radius putting those together with looking at persons and then block developments so as soon as we start to begin to divide a plan we can start to see how grid can form and then we begin to intensify it and we can see a little bit of what it could look like and again these are really conceptual it was meant to be able to show how we could begin to create density and do a transit oriented development in existing places around local service that could connect to a regional service and a little bit about what the station might look like from the ground as you connect it in so again we really wanted to focus on that idea of the complete Street the mix of uses the walkability and that transit integrated as a major component within that so our next is in Hillsboro this is Florida Avenue waters and to the north and Byrd you can see 275 running through and we're looking at an existing service and also proposed future the RT that you know is being studied and looking at Russells in the area and the development block patterns so as we begin to look at those developable walks it helps us be able to understand what we're working with and how we can create that critted Street Network and then this is another one where we went ahead and we looked at what that identity development could look like so focusing mostly within that first quarter mile there is a lot more opportunity as you start to spread out
2:11:16and go two and a half mile but we wanted to see how we can really reintegrate within an urban neighborhood connect some of those Street networks and reconnect with written where it's been disrupted for the past and a little bit about what that would look like this is a view from Florida Avenue looking north toward waters so in integrating the street component integrating you know the complete Street walkability we have rideshare drop-off location this one so showing how the street can really integrate transit into a new dense environment and as we look at Pasco we can start to see you know there's not a local service that comes directly into this area but we're utilizing the regional connector to help connect at that point and with the same process of identifying parcels and block developments and just a little bit in terms of having some density there and in this area we really looked at you know the potential for residential development to be added so that you get that strong mix of uses and being able to retrofit a bit of the parking and to build that up and include more parking structures as part of this overall schematic and a little bit about what that would look like so you can see we're stepping down in scale and then being able to integrate it into the type of scaling development that are within each of these different centers so I'll leave you with these questions back up and I'm happy to answer any questions members questions yes I'd be great if you could have it was last Friday you have it we all got it yes I wasn't pretty I just want to say your work is always an inspiration and it's so great to see this vision on all this I didn't know if and every single of the existing stations I have pictures of the proposed stations that they're online it's pretty crazy level one which i think is extraordinarily important and also as regards to but thank you it's just thank you me was a research through the transitory development has really shared is that it's that walkability component that really adds to overall development potential increase in value and Sarah for looking at value capture in time and economic development and other opportunities then that's a key piece the other species is that being able to connect local networks with regional networks really helps fund we increase the abuse of both regional systems and mobile and so that was another thing that we found through the research so something to definitely consider and we saw a number of station areas and stocks presentation that that could be very viable for me to helping those connections one one question I had taking station station yes absolutely I think the neighborhoods that have these stops and them are going to be revitalized I wish we had born in Arcadia thank you so much for that thank you Dave any comments about future topics about future topics but if I could take a moment to provide examined record yeah we didn't have and I'll be brief and
2:15:37then we are well into your lunch time I will talk facts but envision 2030 original TVP we had launched the best request survey related to that beginning October that will help hybridize the regionally significant training projects we have received 234