08.06.19 Pasco BOCC - Part Two

[Music] good afternoon everyone I would like to call back to order the Pasco County Board of Connect Commission meeting of August 6 2019 I would like to why they're wrong like a good present please sign all electronic devices now is the time for our public hearings and that seat one he wasn't he one was published in the Tampa Bay Times July 12th 2019 do we have a sign-in chief yes thank you ma'am good afternoon commissioners denise hernandez planning and development item p1 today just letting you know this is the first reading on this item there's no action required by the board we just want you to accept public comment the second hearing on this item the adoption hearing will be on August 20th 2019 at 1:30 a new port richey before you today I'm going to read the ordinance title is an ordinance by the Pasco County Board of County Commissioners amending the Pasco County land development code section 8 sir for ecological corridors section 1302 point to mobility fees section 1302 point for parks and recreation impact fees appendix a definitions and other sections as necessary for internal consistency providing for applicability repealer providing for severability inclusion into land development code and effective date the reason why we're here is because on June 21st 2016 when the Board of County Commissioners adopted the ecological corridors other also known as critical linkages ordinance 1613 there were discrepancies between the version that was adopted to the by the board and the version that went to that that was transmitted to the state so the proposed ordinance amendments intend to correct these discrepancies in terms of 1302 point for Parks and Recreation impact fees November 16 2016 the BC adopted amendments to the Parks and Recreation impact fee ordinance the proposed changes before you today provide for the ability to spend parts of recreation and peck fee fees on items that were previously excluded and in terms of 1302 point to mobility fees there's a an amendment to what is considered a multi-use building in order to assist staff with mobility fee assessment and that's also in the definition section appendix a multi-use building is further clarified on May 15 2019 these proposed amendments were presented to the wharf horizontal roundtable interested parties meeting and on July 25th the local planning agency found that proposed ordinance amendments consistent with the Pasco County Comprehensive Plan and recommended approval to the Board of County Commissioners I'm here with any questions and again today you had there's no action for you to take on this item is there anyone from the public I have no one signed up for this item is there one Republic here in the audience that would like to speak to this item but close public hearing is what I need to do on this one so I'd like to say Denise I'm delighted you put the splash pads in there to give us that bloody great job thank you thank you to

Keith and David for this item okay all right next is p2 and we're gonna hear feet two and p16 together okay p2 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on June 21st 2019 P 16 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on March 15th 2019 and P 16 requires be sworn in if you're I'm assuming we're not taking well it's a continuance so item p2 as PDD 1910 1:07 9 this is grant also known as brand Oakes for the comprehend large large scale comprehensive plan amendment this item is a request for continuance to November 5th 2019 Board of County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 p.m. in Dade City item P 16 is PDD 1970 351 it's a zoning amendment for Grand Oaks MPU D 2 and M PUD and this is also a continuance to the afforded County Commissioners meeting on 1115 of 19 at 1:30 and date stay there anybody here for either of those items to continue 11 5 I apologize November 5th 2019 130 and Dave City thank you motion again I had a motion a second all those in favor say aye like sign motion passed P 3 P 3 SP DD 9 teams sorry you've got yeah you got procedures to go through first there are two rezoning agendas regular and consent staff will present each application to the Board of County Commissioners if staff or Planning Commission has recommended approval and there's no opposition the application will be considered by the board without further presentation if the staff or Planning Commission has recommended denial or if there's opposition to the application the applicant will be given five minutes for presentation the opposition will be given three minutes for each individual or five minutes for group representative and the applicant will be given three minutes for rebuttal any individual disagreeing with staff or Planning Commission recommendation or anyone wishing to object to any condition of rezoning may at this time request the petition be pulled from the consent agenda in which case that application will be heard under the regular agenda later on during the meeting otherwise all rezoning applications on the consent agenda will be approved by a single motion and vote if you wish to speak to any petition please give your name and address and whether or not you've been sworn for the record these are quasi-judicial public hearings the law in Florida is the middle public support or opposition of an application is insufficient for this board to take action please limit your comments to those criteria found within the board's land development code madam clerk would you swear them in yes if you're here to speak on items p3 to the end of the piece which I think now is P 15 please stand and raise your right hand do you solemnly swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth so help you God mp3 is PDD 1974 one nine don't know if you want to read the no publication this item is for Gulf Coast estates it's for a change in zoning from c-2 to ac3 and this comes to you with the recommendation of continuance to the

August 20th 2019 Board of County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 a new port richey okay I have no one signed up for this item as you know when audience whoops so this is this is published as a continuance you can you can just take a motion okay who's your continued time sir add motion second all those in favor say aye motion passed item p4 PDD nineteen seven three nine eight will be pulled from the consent this is a wall boy from consenting for the last of the meeting yes that would go to p5 published in the Tampa Bay Times on June 21st 2019 item p5 is PDD 1974 1 0 it's a rezoning MHC Forest Lake Estates mhm LLC it's for a change in zoning from AC agricultural district to an RMH mobile home district this comes through with a recommendation of approval from both the Planning Commission and finding a development department staff okay this is public hearing is anyone to speak against this item seeing no one we remains on consent b6 p 6 was published in the Tampa Bay Times June 21st 2019 p6 SPD 1974 1 3 in the name of Carmel Friendship Baptist Church Inc it's for a change in zoning from an MP UD master plan unit development district to a c1 neighborhood commercial district comes to you with a recommendation of approval from the Planning and Development Department and the Planning Commission okay I have no one signed up for this item to speak is anyone here speak against the side seeing no one it remains on consent P 7 P 7 was published the Tampa Bay Times June 21st 2019 p 7 SPD d 1974 1 8 in the name of Dwight and Joyce Hopkins revocable trust is for a change in zoning from AC agricultural and C to Journal commercial districts to a/c to general commercial district this comes to with a recommendation of approval from the Planning and Development Department and the Planning Commission I have no one signed up for this item so you want to hear an audience you would like to speak against this I see you know one the remains don't consent p8p it was published in the Tampa Bay Times June 21st 2019 pas PD 19 see you 41 in the name of kW Realty fund 3 LLC and others Starkey ranch heart pine Business Park it's for the sale of alcoholic beverages beer and wine only on-premises consumption in conjunction with the operation of a realtor retail center in a master plan unit Development District this comes to you with a recommendation of approval with conditions from the Planning and Development Department and the Planning Commission I have no one signed up for this item Z Y here and audience wish to speak to side against this I see another one it remains on consent b9 was published in the Tampa Bay Times June 21st 2018 p 9 SP d d 19 cu 42 in the name of ABC liquors inc ABC fine wine and spirits for the sale of alcoholic beverages beer wine and liquor package sales and on-premises consumption in conjunction with the operation of the liquor store in a master plan unit Development District this comes to you with a recommendation of approval with conditions from the

Planning and Development Department and from the Planning Commission I have no one sign up for this Adam as you want I wish to speak against this I'm seeing no one remains on consent P 10 P 10 published Tampa Bay Times June 21st 2019 P 10 SPD d 19 cu 43 in the name of a NT Florida LLC Bubba's 33 for the sale of alcoholic beverages beer wine and liquor on-premises consumption in conjunction with the operation of a restaurant in a master plan unit Development District this comes through with a recommendation of approval with conditions from the Planning and Development Department and the Planning Commission they have no one signed up for this item is there anyone in the audience wish to speak against this I see no one leave it on consent P 11 P 11 was published in Tampa Bay Times June 21st 2019 P 11 SPD d 19 cu 44 in the name of Pascal wrench Inc walk-ons Bistro m bar for the sale of alcoholic beverages beer at beer wine and liquor liquor on-premises consumption in conjunction with the operation of a restaurant with outside CDN service of alcoholic beverages on a patio in a master plan unit Development District this comes through with a recommendation of approval with conditions from the Planning and Development Department and the Planning Commission again I have no one signed up for this item does anyone any audience wants to speak against this on there remains on consent that's all the concern we would like to move P 14 if I can move that I would I would appreciate you taking up take a motion on consent first yes second I got a motion in a second on all the consent items all those in favor say aye all those like Sam motion passed from all the consent items and it's my understanding that P 14 no longer needs a presentation and you'd like to move that to the next item okay P 14 Tampa Bay Times June 10th 2019 8mp 14 is PDD 19 1 2 0 1 it's a large large-scale comprehensive plan amendment CPL 1904 for central Pasco and Point Village where we're asking the board today is to it's actually a transmittal of the proposed comprehensive plan amendment to the central Pasco employment village sub area policies future land use 7 point 1 point 12 and we would like the board to authorize a transmittal to the Department of Economic Opportunity and other reviewing agencies I don't have anyone signed up for this item is there anyone here to speak second all those in favor of people obtain say aye motion passed before - b12 b12 b12 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on June 21st 2019 um also I would like to because P 12 and P 13 are at the same location I would like to do a combined presentation on the items a publication for p13 is published in the Tampa Bay Times June 21st 2019 we do have two people signed up and I think on this item there probably have been some requests for additional time as well so items p12 and pg-13 item p12 is PDD 19 cuo 1 and item P 13 is PDD 19 Cu 39 they're both in the names of BB Agri tourism LLC and Saint Jo ranch LLC PDD

19 CEO 1 is for an amusement park in an AC agricultural district and PDD 19 Cu 39 is for the salient service of alcoholic beverages in conjunction with the operation of an amusement park in an AC district the proposed uses in north-central Pasco County located on the north side of st. Joe Road approximately 800 feet east of Bellamy Brothers Boulevard and on the east side of Bellamy Brothers Boulevard approximately 1400 feet north of bent fork road throughout the presentation I will be at times referring to the western parcel and the eastern parcel or a portion of the site the western parcel is Western parcel is 58 point 46 acres and the eastern parcel is fifty nine point eighty four acres the western parcel is undeveloped with areas of dense vegetation and mature tree canopy the eastern parcel contains the tree hoppers aerial Adventure Park consisting of zipline courses various rope bridge courses and obstacle courses concession areas and a gift Pro Shop approved under conditional use petition 12-17 additionally the eastern parcel can host an annual Fall Festival and a Halloween haunted house with live actor based theatre and other related features and activities under temporary use permits in accordance with the land development code section five 30.9 the surrounding zonings include an MP u D which is the former Saren ranch it's a hasn't expired entitlements that's to the north and to the east of the property and a our agricultural residential to the west and to the south the surrounding future land use is AG AG R and res one and recreation uses are permitted in any future land use classification consistent with the applicable goals policies and objectives of the Comprehensive Plan access to the site is from st. Jo Road only farm access and emergency vehicle access are being proposed on Bellamy Brothers Boulevard the applicant has agreed to limit access and this has been memorialized in condition number two and three the applicants proposed a winter play park over the western parcel it will consist of a snow tubing Hill snow pink play area and other related features and activities it will operate a maximum of 120 days a year two to seven days per week depending on the season the hours of operation will be Sunday through Thursday 8:00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m. and Friday and Saturday 8:00 a.m. to 11:00 p.m. their winter play Park will not operate on the same day as the fall festival or the Halloween haunted house on this parcel the applicants proposed a fall festival and Halloween haunted house over the eastern parcel the fall festival will help with Halloween haunted house will include fall themed attractions including Halloween haunted house with live actor based theater and other related features and activities which have occur both indoors and outdoors it will operate a maximum of 56 days a year two to seven days a week hours of operation or Sunday through Thursday 7 p.m. to 11 p.m. and Friday and Saturday 7 p.m. to 1 a.m. in terms

of the conditional use CU 1939 for the sale of alcoholic beverages for off-premises consumption or over the area's generally depicted on the attachment 4 which is part of your packet which is also this area that's shown in the cross hatch the sorry the that dashed lines that's the limits of the sale of alcoholic beverages and they propose the sale of alcohol per alcoholic beverages to be conducted during the days and hours of operation proposed in the conditional uses CU 1901 and the area's approved on 12-17 that was formally approved by the board in accordance with the land development code section 305 the applicant called a neighborhood meeting on May 20th 2019 there were 32 residents in attendance the Planning and Development Department has received 12 letters of no objection they've they're memorialized in this slide shows the location of the letters of no objection it's from and they're in your attachment six they're from for property owners that are located 70 feet west of 90 feet south of four hundred and seventy feet southwest of six hundred and forty feet south east of eight hundred feet south west of 1,300 feet southwest of sixteen hundred and fifty feet southeast of and 0.75 mile north of and one point four zero miles northwest of a subject request also after the packet was and these are letters of no objection also after the packet was your agenda packet was published we did receive a letter of objection from a person who resides one mile north of the parcel and I would like to see if you would please receive and file that letter okay got a motion second for season five all those in favor say aye I pass okay so on this item the both of these items staff is recommending approval with conditions as included in your packet there is a consistency determination made your item this agenda was revised from the agenda that was submitted to the in within the sire system so you should have a pull and revised form on in front of you with the new memo with the consistency review I know that this is going to be a very long presentation and I can go through the consistency review areas so the we found the subject request has been reviewed for consistency with the Pasco County's comprehensive plan future land-use 1.7.1 which is competitive compatibility review there was evaluation of existing uses of land zonings and future land uses it's including the existing and potential densities and intensities so the proposed use is consistent compatible with the existing resident recreational uses of land existing tree hoppers aerial Adventure Park zoning future land use densities and intensities and that is as its conditioned in your zoning consideration of existing development patterns and approved development in the area the proposed use is consistent with the existing pattern of development evaluation of existing proposed and

anticipated transitions between land uses the transition between the proposed uses on the site with respect to the surrounding property it's it's effectively and adequately accomplished through the use of buffering for example in your conditions you do have the applicant has agreed to maintain a 400 foot setback from the western property line also a 100 foot setback from the northern property line and the location will be heavily heavily buffered as shown on your agenda memo and on the attachments consideration of environmental and cultural features and community characters the proposed use of the property will require an analysis and cultural environmental impacts and mitigation if required through the preliminary site plan process as conditioned staff finds that the proposed use is consistent with the comprehensive plan appropriate timing based on the analysis of availability of adequate public facilities including transportation facilities it's on it's served by a county maintained road water and sewer there's no public facilities required the site is served by one septic and other necessary infrastructure and services additional public facilities are not required at the time again the proposed use it's not urban sprawl there there are conditions of approval including limitations on hour of operation limitations on setbacks specific uses having to do with the the the location of landscaping have heavily buffering that will protect the surrounding uses analysis of consistency with the applicants Pacific area policies a proposed use is consistent with the Northeast Pascal rural area consists consideration of existing development patterns and approve development in the area it's consistent with existing pattern and development and approve development in the area and we are recommending approval with conditions as included in your packet I know this is going to be a very long hearing and I'm here for any questions you may have on the item mr. chairman it's my understanding you've given the applicant X and one of the opponents an extended period of time that that needs to be there I've given that again 15 minutes and those are gonna speak against this item I've also given them 15 minutes okay so for the purposes of I'm a course Frank a would make mr. chairman commissioners Clark hobby hobby and hobby PA 109f brush Street Tampa Florida have been sworn I'm gonna be making a consolidated presentation for items number P 12 and P 13 and I have with me Justina bush chef ski from Florida design consultants who'll be making a planning presentation we'll try to keep it as brief as possible you've already had a fairly lengthy discussion from staff but a little bit of background on this project so we have two parcels out in the Northeast Pasco area at the intersection of two collectors ones Bellamy Brothers you know there's a st. Joe Road they're both in the AG future land use classification

which expressly allows recreational uses they're both zoned AC which expressly allows a conditional use for amusement parks and as you were told a few minutes ago in 2012 when the eastern partial which is this one right here was approved for the zipline in 2012 it was approved as a subset of a conditional use specifically for the zipline in the ropes course that's on it about a year and a half after that we had an opinion letter we worked out with Carroll Clarke that then Zoning Administrator and assistant planning and development administrator who determined that having temporary uses such as that such as a Tough Mudder run and a Fall Festival on the eastern site were appropriate and so that basically gave our client up to 56 days a year to have those events it's been having them for several years now you will probably have heard of the scream again an event that occurs over here they're also hay rides and other fall events that occur while that goes on but the scream again an event is quite popular and is a big tourist activity for the county and a big draw so since that time our client started looking at doing another really innovative project that I think is ultimately going to be a big benefit for the county and to have a snow hill and snow park over on this western side over in this area and the client is looked at some newer technology that basically will allow us to make snow and keep snow in place when the weather is under 80 degrees there was an article in the paper in Saint Pete Times or Tampa Bay Times last year I should say for she tees benefit that talked about this technology and it's it's being used up and around Atlanta and a very popular snow hill up there that allows you to ride down with toboggans and stuff like that and it's very interesting our client had a small press release that it was thinking about doing this about a year ago maybe nine months ago and there were several hundred thousand social media hits within 24 hours so there's a lot of entry around our region about the potential use and we think it's something that's going to end up being great before the county as a whole and we're confident we can do it in a way that won't be harmful to our neighbors but when we first filed for the conditional use application it does fall within the subset of an amusement park and it got our neighbors all justifiably concerned and so we then spent several months working with our neighbors and coming up with a series of conditions that I think almost everybody who lives in very close proximity to this site is happy and I'll just run down a couple of the things that we did with them but a lot of work with our neighbors went into this and we appreciate our neighbors some of whom were here working with us on it perhaps the biggest thing we did even though we have a lot of frontage on Bellamy Brothers Boulevard they wanted no access except for like farm access over here so none of the entrants are gonna come in off of Bellamy Brothers Boulevard furthermore we're gonna have a

400 foot setback for all structure shows everything's gonna be pushed way back here perhaps the biggest thing other than the setbacks and the connection to Bellamy brothers that we've done here what you're seeing in these thick lines here is a double row offset of six foot cedar trees that were also going to end up doing over here I'll explain in a minute it's going to create basically an evergreen condition that will be a great noisy and visual buffer for our neighbors and for our our project we also agreed as you heard before that we want to we agree to conditions where we won't operate the Fall Festival as we're already operating it here for more days than we're already allowed to under the temporary uses that we've been doing which is 56 days a year and we agreed that we won't operate these at the same time now would tell you as a native Floridian staying under 80 degrees doesn't happen a lot and even though we're allowed 120 days to operate the snow hole here something tells me that's probably going to be more like 45 days so what you're actually seeing here is really what our permanent approvals but for what are really almost temporary uses they aren't going to be going onto your route and we think we can be good neighbors and and and not create a major traffic or noise issue for our neighbors we did undertake a series of studies to make sure that we weren't creating sound issues for our neighbors and in a minute I was going to read one thing into the record but we had really the state's preeminent firm geo Sonics conducted a noise study that found that even when the fall festival is up and operating by itself it still stays well within the noise ordinance that the county has and actually the much louder noises that are heard in the area are from passerby traffic on st. Joe Road and Bellamy Brothers we also had Mike Razer who's here conduct an access management study that showed that additional operational changes or site access improvements are not needed to serve all these uses on st. Joe Road where our sole access will be because again we are not coming in off a Bellamy Brothers show we'll use existing accesses here and access will then cut through over to that that point I am going to ask Justina to give a short presentation to create a record here but there's one thing I need to do if you'll bear with me I've submitted to the clerk a very large binder with about 20 documents and just for the record I'd need to add at least a short summary of what these documents so if you'll just bear with me number one there's a transmittal with the revised application dated March 21st 2019 number two is the agricultural section of the comprehensive plan number three is section 503 AC agricultural district of the LDC number four is the definition of recreation and intensity from the glossary of the comprehensive plan number five is page 2a - 14 of the appendix to the comp plan number six is the economic development sections 1.7 and 1.7 to the economic development element of the comprehensive

plan number seven is the recreation and open space element of the comprehensive plan number eight is objective cons 1.1 the conservation element of the comp plan number nine its 2015 parks and recreation plan number 10 is 2019 state comprehensive outdoor recreation plan number 11 is the Uli study from October 2013 number 12 is the goal floow2 of the future land-use element of the comp plan number 13 is the Northeast Pasco special area plan dated July 2005 number 14 is section 604 which is the Northeast Pasco rural protection overlay district number 15 is the noise measurement and evaluation report from geo Sonic's I mentioned number 16 is a timing and phasing application from razor transportation consulting number 17 is the access management study I just mentioned from razor transportation number 18 is the Lane use presentation summary that you're going to see from Justyna in just a minute number 19 is a map showing our letters of no objection that's on the board and number 20 is the existing conditional use permit from 2012 see you 12 number 17 with that I'll turn it over to Justino and then I'll have a quick wrap-up when she's done thank you good afternoon Justine abou chef ski florida design consultants 2525 amber field dr land o lakes florida well it took a while two years 13 years of being a planner so that's what I'm gonna go through now my qualifications I do have my master's of urban planning from University of Louisville out of my 13 years of experience I worked nine years as you know at Pasco County where I processed over 50 comprehensive plan amendments and I was also the project manager for the Northeast rural area plan overlay and the Pasco Parks master plan so as Denise already went through the introduction but proposed is a conditional use request application to allow specific amusement park uses of winter play park and fall festival with the Halloween haunted house in the AC agricultural zoning district on approximately one hundred and eighteen point two acres the future land classification is agricultural amusement park use is a conditional use that is listed in the AC agricultural zoning district the proposed is only for the list of uses and it's not for the amusement park generally so my planning analysis today provides for compliance with the conditional use in the LDC section 402 point three F and there are eight requirements that are the standards of review for these conditional uses the planning analysis also provides for consistency with the Comprehensive Plan and compatibility with the surrounding area the standards the eight standards of review are that the proposed use shall be consistent with the goals objectives and the policies of the Comprehensive Plan they the proposed will not adversely affect or contribute to the deterioration of quality of life or the property values the proposed use is consistent with the character of the surrounding area and the land-use

patterns the proposed use will not create or excessively increase traffic or parking congestion the site upon which the proposed use is located has adequate infrastructure and utilities and this site will have sufficient screening and buffering also will that the proposed signs and the lighting will not have adversely affect the surrounding order joining properties and the proposed use will not otherwise adversely affect the health safety or welfare of the surrounding community so now I'll have to go through the consistency of the comprehensive plan one of the objectives is that it is consistent like as Denise explained before with the future land use policy preserving the rural lifestyle in the Northeast Pasco rural area one of the policies is protection of the topography the existing topography of the site shall be protected when with this conditional use the applicant does not propose to cut into any of the hills while the Northeast rural overlay does not apply the subject site is not within areas identified for protection because no slopes are greater than 6% the the the use is also consistent with the roadway corridor corridor overlay district the applicant is not proposed to remove a large amount of canopy trees along the roadside as Clarke just stated and they will be planting new canopy trees that exceed the amounts that are required by the northeast overlay district in the let land development code requirements also we will prohibit public access to bail me brothers Boulevard except for farm use access and emergency vehicle access also we will be consistent with the rural residential roads the proposed use does not create an excessive amount of traffic on the rural roads an access management analysis was done by razor transportation consultants and it has been determined that no site access improvements will be required also the use will be consistent with the policy floow2 point one point thirteen the applicant will rely on the wells and septics so therefore we meet the standards of review for number one the quality of life and property values the proposed fall festival and winter park is a recreation tourism related amenity and that will enhance the quality of life for Pasco residents per the 2013 Uli report tourism and ecotourism is a major economic development opportunity the use isn't encouraged through the Comprehensive Plan and the Pasco urban plant Institute report therefore it will meet standard of review number two the proposed use is also consistent with existing land use pattern it preserves open space in the AG land use a recreation use is allowable use in the AG future land use and does not increase residential density and it also has minimal utilities or services required as I stated earlier it will not the use will not create increased traffic or parking the winter play park is conditioned to have limited days of hours of operation and it can only be open for 120 days out of the year and the fall festival will operate at a

maximum if it's 56 days a year as it presently does as a temporary use and in no event shall the winter play park or Fall Festival operate on the same day get up okay so it meets the utilities and infrastructure standard number five setbacks and buffers we already talked about we have the 400 foot setback off of Bellamy Brothers and we have increased setbacks with the double trees that exceed all the code requirements with the landscape buffers and signs lighting and glare signage will meet all the LDC requirements and there will be minimal lighting that's conditioned as part of the agenda memo and pretty much as I stated before it is a recreational use that is healthy tourism related amenity and it enhances the quality of life therefore meeting all the standards of review thank you thank you we have two people signed up to speak to the side up we have first signed up is Judy Geiger and then followed by Bob hunter name and address yes yes my name is Judy Geiger I live at 162 to 5 Dalton brothers Boulevard my legal address is three nine zero zero one State Road 575 in the kuchi river is flooding right now pull the mic to you the river is flooding right now so that's why I'm living on Bellamy at this point in time and yes I had been sworn I would like to present in for the file a folder I asked permission to do this you mr. Stein Snyder do you need to look at it first yeah would be nice to have had it but or it or go through the documents as mr. Habib we're not accepted yet he's looking at it first okay times taken no yeah it shouldn't this shouldn't count against her okay so the documents other than the first two are similar to those that mr. javi submitted their letters of objection to see you 1901 and nineteen nineteen thirty-nine his were obviously in support the gladden Jackson report on the Northeast rural Pat Pascoe area which would be a County document the stipulated settlement agreement of December 2006 references to the Comprehensive Plan references to the land development code and the resume of Robert hunter the only other ones are the scream again attend district records of October 7th 2017 through November 2nd 2017 and the Florida Department of Business and Professional Regulation to Co P retail beverage licenses issued to two zip codes the board with the exception with the exception of the petition they all appear to be end mr. hunters resume they all appear to be public documents and I don't see I mean the others it's the weight the board wants to wants to give them so mr. Steinhauer my only objection would be the scream agretti at get scream again alleged records i've not seen them i don't know where they might have come from i'm not sure that it's probably came from your website or your clients website i mean that's the first time I'm seeing the dates of operation yeah in small print sorry for the delay

I only have an objection the cents up I'm not sure that this accurately reflects the number of guests that were there my client was saying that sometimes these are reservations for parking passes and guests separately so I'm not sure that the guests are actively represented on this document that's my only object I think that I think the board can take it for what for what it's worth okay all those in favor say aye now your time will start back okay the one thing I point I want to bring out on what I handed to the board is we do have 33 letters of objection either through a petition or letters of objection and I want to the rest of my time I'm going to yield to mr. Bob hunter he is an expert witness he has a bachelor and a master's degree in architecture was president of the American planners Association is a fellow in the American Institute of Certified planners and he was the executive director of the Hillsborough County City County Planning Commission for 26 years your resume is in your folder or his resume is in the folder so I will yield the rest of my thank you Hey state your name and address and the Troodos for Bob hunter i resided 4111 kipling avenue Plant City Florida not too far from here good afternoon commissioners and mr. chairman me have you been sworn I was ok I did stand up and put my right hand and I said I do I've been asked by Judy Geiger to provide some expert testimony she stated where she lived and I provided some overview and some comments essentially I'd like to follow them pretty closely there they follow similar to what the others have said concerning the property but I think it's important to provide them into the record my opinion is that the conditional use permit before you for the property is not consistent with Pasco County's land development code namely 402 point 3f I think here the staff report incorrectly perhaps typed in e but anyway under required standards all proposed conditional uses shall meet all of the following standards I address the first four of the nine under land development code 402 point 3f as not being satisfied or met starting with number two of required standards quote the proposed use will not adversely affect or contribute to the deterioration or quality of life of the property values in the immediate neighborhoods unquote this standard has not been met as the proposed use will generate traffic above the current vehicles per day or current per hour measurement essentially more traffic Road parking dust noise and dust will adversely deteriorate the quality of life of the immediate neighborhood and then number three of your land development code 402 point 3f required standards and the proposed use is consistent with the character of the surrounding area including the existing land use patterns unquote this standard has not met as the proposed has not been met as a proposed use a Snow Mountain and a haunted house is not consistent with a surrounding

area and certainly not consistent with the existing land use pattern I say just think about it a Snow Mountain and a haunted house are certainly not consistent with the surrounding area and number four of required standards has not been met to quote your standard the proposed use will not create or excessively increase traffic or parking congestion or otherwise affect public safety unquote this standard has not been met because the proposed use will create increased traffic and congestion while the estimated numbers of 300 or 400 cars a day do not seem like much they are a substantial increase in the current traffic and congestion and will certainly impact the Northeast Pasco County rural area and lifestyle that is to be protected and preserved as per the adopted comprehensive plan your future land-use element objectives 2 point 1 point 1 through 2 point 1 point 18 and finally going back to number 1 of your required standards land development code 4.0 2.3 F required standards and I quote the proposed use shall be consistent with the goals objectives and policies of the adopted comprehensive plan elements or app applicable portions thereof the proposed use is not consistent with a Pasco adopted comprehensive plan generally the preservation and the protection of the positive qualities of the rural lifestyles of the Northeast rural Pasco County area as a passive world scenic area and more specifically as for the future land-use element of the Pasco County adopted plan goal number two protection of rural areas implement and enforce policies and programs designed to preserve and reinforce the positive qualities and rural lifestyles and protect rural communities and agricultural areas objective 2.1 preserve rural lifestyles in the Northeast Pasco County rural area to protect the existing rural character of the Northeast Pasco County rural area and thereby ensure the rural lifestyle is preserved for existing residents and remains available to future residents policy 2 point 1 point 1 recognition of the Northeast Pasco County rural area Pasco County shall recognize through land-use policies and land development regulations the Northeast Pasco County rural area as an area with specific rural character it shall be the policy of the county that rural areas require approaches to land use intensities and densities rural roadway protection the provision of services environmental protection and land development code enforcement consistent with the rural character of such areas policy 2 point 1 point 5 protection of existing topography Pasco County shall amend the land development code by December 2008 to include standards that would limit to talk about topographic alterations within Eastern Pasco County including North East Pasco County rural area and particularly along the northeast Pasco County rural area boundary areas along the Brooksville Ridge and areas along the Polk Ridge in order to maintain and protect the

integrity of the natural rolling vistas and scenic Vee sheds within the northeast Pasco County rural area the intent of these standards is to provide limitations for topographic alterations that would remove the unique vistas of the naturally occurring berms or hillsides that protect unique vistas of the areas or functions as buffers I apologize for having to read your plan but I think those are important aspects now changing subjects away from the land development code your land development code required standards for point I'm sorry 402 point 3f all nine of which have not been met but are required to I want to mention the adopted Pasco County Comprehensive Plan future land-use element two point one point eight which identifies that the county will adopt by December 2008 non-residential design standards for the Northeast Pasco rural area but it has not yet done so and this project is a non-residential conditional use it seems to me that it would be difficult to consider conditioning a use for which the staff has not developed and the county has not adopted design standards for I asked the question what would the staff developed conditions be judged against however as for SAS report they assert that there are enough conditions as for in their staff report number seventeen see page four of number of eleven quote the transition between the proposed uses of the site with respect to the surrounding property as effectively and adequately accomplished through the use of buffering and screening as provided in the conditions for approval considering the scale and size of the proposed development the buffering and screening techniques provided in the conditions of approval when incorporated into the site design will provide an adequate transition between land uses as condition the proposed use it's consistent with the comprehensive plan unquote well respectfully an opinion is surfacing here that if you condition a use with enough conditions that you can make it consistent with your comprehensive plan or may I say the use is inappropriate perhaps location wise or size wise or impact wise and should not be approved in conclusion the staff report mentions that the subject request was reviewed for consistency with the comprehensive plan sighting policy future land-use element one point 10.1 with you but does not address the specifics the uniqueness or impact of the Northeast Pasco rural area Pasco County and the citizens felt this area is so unique that it directed this special area to have a special study accomplished and adopted its own set of special goals objectives and policies into your comprehensive plan that being the future land-use element goal number one objective number two point one and policies two point one point one through two point one point eighteen to protect and preserve the rural lifestyles present future and the staff report did not address these with any specificity relative to the conditional use application

thus I recommend that you find this conditional use application not consistent with your land development code nor your Pasco County Comprehensive Plan thank you I had MS diagram mr. Turner signed up is there anyone else in the audience they would like to speak that's yes please state your name address and whether you've been sworn Nancy Hayes would 3 4 1 1 Oh an a nice place yes I have been sworn and of course I've got to put my two cents in well how consistent and compatible is snow to Florida I guess some people think it's very compatible I don't think this fits in the Northeast roll protected area plan it's it's just doesn't fit I loved the zip line that was great but the rest of it digging a hole building a hill throwing snow on it making sure everybody's got beer and wine out there right our Northeast rural protected area plan was never allowed to be complete the rules and regulations for the area we ourselves as group a bunch of the people out there got together and we actually sat down and drafted song we submitted them to Deborah's and petty we never heard anything back so we've asked over the years for them to be finished so I would ask that you drop this until we get something that guides our northeast rural area it would be nice if you could a good idea might be and we would love it if you could put some meetings together for the citizens that we could help you all decide what should be allowed not allowed out here it would help our quality of life thank you I heard the meeting for the neighborhood that the developer of this project said that they would have corporate parties there and I wonder if those people would bring bands in and maybe hard liquor two amplifiers with bands I don't know I'm sure that sound would go through I live about half a mile from a helicopter pad and I can't sit outside and in the daytime when that thing is going the other point one other is that if this amusement park fails what amusement park is he gonna put it next I thank you all for your attention liberation okay thank you for your comment asking is anyone else here to speak come forward to state your name and address and if you've been sworn Steve Gonzalez two eight seven three six st. Joe Road and I have been sworn with the group raise my hand all right I don't have a problem with with the business and pain you know young church to work and he's a capitalist he's making money it's just in the wrong place why isn't this on 301 up where there used to be a golf course up on 301 north of Dade City that'd be a perfect spot for this business for this amusement park how about us nineteen in Pinellas County hello Dale Mabry in Tampa not in a quiet rural residential street like st. Joe Road it's not consistent or compatible at all what we've already had to deal with on st. Joe Road I don't know if this board is aware of the cannon fodder we had all last year from the blueberry farmer that came in the first I guess really agricultural other than just cattle or

goats or horses so we had a blueberry farmer who I guess thank you to our state representatives allow blueberry farmers to shoot cannons off as opposed to just putting simple netting up so he can and going off every five minutes that's a poor guy that lived right in front of it couldn't take he watched his grandchildren there they couldn't stay there he stopped that so now we have screaming getting it started with the zip line and I agree I went to the to the meeting at the place of business and no one really had a problem with the zip line he explained people want to get away from the city they want to go to a rural setting and do the zip lines back in the woods okay I can see how that would be approved and that would be good scream again it's funny that's it's described as a fall festival like it's wagons and hay and little children with their feet dangling and going through a maze and picking pumpkins it's advertised in the Tampa Bay Times along with you know the Universal Studios and Busch Gardens howl-o-scream it's in that category there's people that come out and scare people there's large buildings that they put up he's already had the signs up for it that's started before August it's like having the State Fair the County Fair I'm sorry that's next to the high school on your street where you live for two months that kind of traffic that kind of cars that kind of trash on the side of the road that I see when I jog down the road and every time afterwards he said he wasn't even aware of that he hasn't stepped outside on the day after screaming again to see the amount of bigger cans and everything else there on the side of the road this is not compatible it's not consistent I wonder if if I wanted to open a bar in front of my house and sell beer and wine and then say I think I'll do a zip line and then say I think I'll do a scream again big Halloween fest and then do a snow mountain I don't know if that would be approved I have a feeling it would not be approved on any of the streets you guys live on I don't know if you're in a rural setting or in a residential area it wouldn't be on your street where you live that's how impassioned the people in st. Joe road and the Bellamy Brothers feel about the guy across the street from him did not sign his letter of approval the people that live right in front of him did not sign it only about eight houses did thank you for your comment thank you for your consideration is there anyone else here in the audience that would like to speak to this item mr. hobby Thank You commissioners I'll keep this pretty short I think you all know I was heavily involved in the Northeast Pasco special rural area adoption there were many things that folks wanted in Northeast Pasco at that time they wanted us to purview protect viewsheds along some of the beautiful roads in Northeast Pasco with the conditions were you're doing here we're going to plan a ton more trees create a winter wonderland if you will in some large areas and put in thousands of

trees so that we don't have uses that will mess up the beautiful view shed a lot of the people you've heard from today wanted to make sure that we didn't have any additional residential density that was one of their biggest concerns we're not proposing any increase in density here we are being very responsible with the lighting we have specific conditions to ensure that the lighting doesn't cause a problem with our neighbors we based it in part off of the auto dealers ordinance and the lumen standards that were there but at the end of the day when I go back and I look what was in the Northeast Pasco special rural plan in 2005 and all the thousands of hours that I spent in there nobody ever proposed that we not have recreational uses or that we limit recreational uses in Northeast Pasco not once and the plan itself on page four and again on page 14 specifically talks about the fact that we need more recreation and that that's part of the rural lifestyle and then if you put pressure on people and you so reduce their available uses in this area you are going to unintentionally cause the uses that the people really don't want to occur you're going to have higher density subdivisions and other uses that they really don't want and lastly I just point out to the board after all the comp plan stuff was adopted you all had two different Uli panels come in and the last was in 2013 and it went into great detail of how we need to create a premier County and the ways that it talked about creating a premier County were some of which were on page 9 of the report to enhance Pascoe's quality of life create and maintain state of the art community services and facilities including education recreation cultural and tourism related amenities while enhancing Pascoe's environmental resources so we're not going out and proposing the erection of gigantic things in Northeast Pasco that would be eyesores we're using the topography and one of the the folks you heard talk about why are we doing this in Northeast Pasco we want the hills we're working with Dells we're not cutting them down we're going to augment them again on the Uli study on page 12 it says that we need to make Pasco a premier county by adding culture and recreation and recreation areas throughout the county and that we need to leverage Pascoe's distinctive natural resources of economic development gain including those of using the natural beauty of the landscape and eat in the eastern portion of the county I would argue we are hitting this spot on my clients not in here looking for a comp plan amendment to res 3 to put a hundred and fifty ounces on this property or more we're trying to work with the land we have here most of the time when people drive by on these two collector roads nobody's there and the uses are going to be really minor and you can say what you want about some people objecting and I saw the things from mrs. Geiger who were from people objecting for from most of them more from a mile and a half way

there's a reason why almost all of the neighbors filed letters of no objection that's because we're being a good neighbor and we've conditioned this in such a way to be responsible and to work well with in Northeast Pasco thank you very much one thing they knew when this first came out I know I had a few residents that had reached out to me live directly across the street and in a couple of residents that did said that Clark and the team met with them and they were now satisfied and there's a people that live directly across the street when I'm seeing when I'm hearing from her you know what the objections are not folks that live directly across the street which that would be what we I would think most concerned about but I do appreciate is the 400 foot buffer so might be a little sarcastic here but if you can teach the apartment people to do that - I'll be I'll be very happy so but I do like the 400 foot buffer so I know I had to throw that in here you know planners mr. key yeah I've been out to tree hoppers quite a few times my family absolutely loves it and I would say that it has kept its rural nature and even that I'm not I don't go to scream again things or for festivals not my thing but it seems to me that facility two is kept its world feeling so I have no doubt that that the snow park will also do the same and it's not something that's gonna be used all year round so I I personally think it's a less intense than not could come in there I do have a question for Clark and I sorry I didn't bring I didn't bring it up when we met and and it's something that like we talked about at lunchtime with some other people so I don't you don't come up yeah I don't know the routes that the engineer I don't recall the routes that the engineer came up with when we were looking at the the most favorite cycling routes open though in those areas but it's possible that one or two Rhodes might be in that most favored loops right been established but unfortunately the county keeps not moving forward with those things you and I have once talked about preserving a bit of property so that Blanton could have an extra shoulder so that cyclists and motorists could safely right drive on and I would hope that if this property is in that same area that your landowner I think it fits in with the buffer might be amenable to working with the county to get that little that you know four feet extra shoulder so that the roads are suitable for that the tourism that comes and the money that comes to the county for the cycle with the cycling community yeah mr. Starkey two things on st. Joe Road we've already dedicated additional right away that will in my opinion be far beyond what the county would need for a widening of that road so there's plenty of right away on our side for having additional curbing or bike trail or whatever along our section we would have no problem on Bellamy Brothers as well there's corridor Preservation land that will probably be required to dedicate there the only thing I would say was again we

want to we're gonna plant literally probably a thousand trees on these sites but what I don't want to do is I also don't want to take down the oak trees on our side of Bellamy brothers that are running right along the roadway so but I suspect there's probably ten or fifteen feet before you get to those trees but I can assure you we'll work with staff and try to come up with a great solution on that I don't know if any bike trail or multi-use trail that's been pondered for out there but I think we need shoulders that's that's so it I mean it's this basic safety thing than anybody it's around here knows we're fine with that okay thank you yeah I know I know with the Northeast Pasco area rural Casco area we dealt with a lot of different things looked a lot the things the densities that houses etc etc was always a big concern I don't think anyone envisioned quite these these three items coming up but the tree hopper thing I think was a great addition to the county scrim began was tremendous my kids compared to down to Tampa so you've done a great job with that and I think this would be a nice amenity as well to increase it to help tourism as well mr. Morey add something else yeah just one one fall out Clark and the gentleman did mention this during public comment so it just asked to be Coniston of this and maybe your your your owners could become a sort of this and maybe do something about it you mentioned the possibility of some trash building up am i saying there is or isn't but if we could kind of can agree that your team will go up and down that road on a daily or by the only basis just make sure that that's clean under understood that understood it because no no we understand it and keep in mind that when the the screamer get an event the fall festival is open if we're gonna be open the next day we don't want a bunch of trash thrown out there either because it takes away from the experience for the people go in there but I understand question though the guys trying to push you know fight the illegal dumping and things like that that is that is important so we understand you understand roadways Cleveland orbiter is an aspect and the director that you know in the the Tourism Council or the chair of the Tourism Council here I think it's gonna obviously bring a lot of great things that we can have to the county and a lot of things that we promote and you mention the LVO Uli summit support so with that I would move for approval mister I'd like to say this most probably when you first came to this idea the way the neighbors in that area came out against it and you satisfy I tell you early on if you could satisfy those neighbors and put the buffers and the right conditions together to make this more amicable for our area in this rural area that I would be for so I know that you've done that and you you work very hard with that neighborhood you were trying to bring this to us a lot earlier and you hesitatin drew back and and redid what

you were supposed to do then I appreciate everything you did for that mr. chairman if I could have clarification on the motion the motion is for both P 12 and 30 sir okay all those in favor say aye motion passed okay our last item is P 15 P 15 was published in the Tampa Bay Times July 19 2008 I know good afternoon commissioners yes mp4 and correct you Denis Hernandez Planning and Development item P 15 it's an appeal PDD nineteen eleven twenty nine it's an appeal of the Planning Commission decision of February 21st 2019 denying special exception petition number seven three eight nine for private school for baseball and soccer school in an AR agricultural residential district property is located in Central Pasco County approximately three hundred twenty feet south of the intersection of Hadlock drive in Elkmont Lane it's just showing the surrounding zonings which are pretty much a our agricultural residential future land uses res three three dwelling units per gross acre its the aerial photograph of the site this is the site plan that was presented to the Planning Commission on this item the Planning and Development Department initially had found the proposed special exception request consistent as condition with the Comprehensive Plan future land use one point 10.1 billion you and the with the criteria in the land development code 402 point four point F special exception review considerations the conditions which are in your packet that were initially presented to the Planning Commission included limiting the number of students to the on the site to a maximum of no more than four at one time limitations on days and hours of operation ensuring that Hadlock drive-in Elkmont Lane at specific locations are properly stabilized and kept in a safe and passable condition through the use of regular maintenance ensuring that fire trucks and other emergency vehicles have unrestricted access to the property and limitations on outdoor lighting the Planning Commission disagreed with the Planning and Development Department recommendation and recommend the denial of the special exception the Planning Commission determined that the standards for issuing a special exception is set forth in the land development code section 402 point four point F special exception required standards were not met specifically the Planning Commission found that it was not compatible it was not consistent with the Comprehensive Plan future land use policy 1.7 point one compiler the compatibility review and they also found that the land of a development code 402 point 4 point F point 2 they found that the pros use will create or excessively increased traffic or parking congestion x' or otherwise affect public safety and also they found that the site upon which the proposed uses to be located does not have suitable access ingress and egress which is 402 point 4 point F point 3 so on this appeal this

is a non de novo hearing there's no new testimony can be heard or presented the review is limited to the transcript and record from the Planning Commission the Board of County Commissioners may relate evidence previously presented to the Planning Commission and may modify adopt or reverse legal conclusions and conditions of the Planning Commission the Board of County Commissioners has the authority in this case to deny the appeal and uphold the decision of the Planning Commission denying the request for special exception pursuant to the Board of County Commissioners determination that a private school baseball and softball school does not meet the criterion that land development code section 402 point 4 point F not e grant the appeal and approve the special exception based on the Board of County Commissioners determination that private school face baseball and softball school meets the criteria in the land development code section 402 point for point F grant the appeal and approve the special exception based on the Board of County Commissioners determination that a private school baseball softball school meets the criteria in the land development code section 402 point for point F with added conditions or it may also remand the matter to the Planning Commission for additional evidence that's my presentation on this item and I know I had discussed the conditions that were recommended to the Planning Commission by plant the Planning and Development Department and there's also on the record conditions that were recomment that were requested by the applicant in this case they are in your in your packet it's your attachment for but I am going to provide those so that they're readily available for you as well if I can move to receive and file again it's something that has already been part of the record previously second second I got a notion of a sacred receiving vow all those in favor say aye I know some fast good afternoon Barbara Wilhite 2523 used to be in 63 27 Grand Boulevard New Port Richey Florida three four six five two representing the applicant on which Breyer and his wife who owned the property so this is an appeal I hoped to truncate this sum because you've heard a full presentation before us on the previous matter they were establishing a record so here we did all of that we went over this for hours at Planning Commission your County Attorney's Office did a great job trying to get the facts clear in the record and ask questions the appropriate questions of staff and and the applicant and the third parties neighbors so I'm gonna try to truncate it but that doesn't mean if if you want further explanation we can do that but so what I'd like to start with is explaining the proposed use of the property and actually the best way to explain that is to look at the conditions and then the conditions are the conditions actually they were just handed out by Denise these conditions came about as a result of my getting involved stepping in to assist coach Pryor we're trying to put this

together because he teaches and gives lessons to to children and young adults on how to play baseball and I do this kind of stuff so when I always what I do first is I go to and I explain those things in the Planning Commission s in the record I try to work with the neighbors and I look at the conditions and staff had worked out conditions with mister with coach Pryor and I looked at my set are they clear enough can they be clear because the worst thing we can do and is have an unclear conditions and we fight over and forever going forward so make sure they're clear to make sure that we've done everything we can do to address concerns so ultimately that's what I did and I worked with the neighbor and property attorney they still ended up objecting but we still agreed to all these conditions so let me go through those and I think you'll tell you the story of what we're proposing so the first condition talks about our special exception being limited to five acres so the parcel we're talking about is five acres and it's approved for a baseball and softball school of course just like you had to approve something for the newsmen park and that's a scary term reading on to what we're actually doing which is we're providing private one-on-one lessons and small group lessons up to four players by invitation only second condition talks about the maximum number of students at any time Sean maybe exceed four we went on to add to that maximum number per day and the lesson shall be a minimum of thirty minutes remember there's only one coach prior so these are maximums and we had to do that for the way we write conditions but it is not anticipated as explained to the Planning Commission that the maximum will ever be the usage of this parcel because again you have one gentleman here trying to coach the kids we've got condition three which are the same hours of operation that the staff and coach Pryor had worked out condition four talks about and I think you'll probably hear the main issue that was heard at Planning Commission was the access which is Hadlock drive and Elkmont lane so condition four deals with improvements to both Hadlock Drive and elk Mont Lane that's very specific it's improve it to a certain standard for this length year that length there and then at because the neighbors have a lot of concerns over the road they said we don't want it paved so we said okay we'll write it in there there so there's certainty that we won't pay that and then also to make sure we add is that condition that as those access way is being maintained it wouldn't block anybody's neighbors access so we added that condition ultimately the record shows that the neighbors objected to anything being done to the road so even though we said he'd maintain it and make certain improvements they don't want anything down to the road so there's a lot of back-and-forth in the planning commission record amongst the plan commission members where they were going to take out four keep before in so we'll

go over that we talk a bit more about the road the number five talks about maintaining emergency access ability to have emergency access in the road and the access way being of a certain standard for that to occur number six is a very specific lighting condition number seven a very specific prohibition on any outdoor speakers of public address number eight very specific conditional noise number nine nine has to do with anything leaving the site whether any balls get hit and leaving the site it's a strict standard it says it shall not so instead of having the way it was written before provide these barriers and maybe not work I said it's easier for staff to apply and it can apply in for my client to understand that you can't have any thing leaving the site so that's how that's written so much stricter than what the he'd worked out with staff but it'll be enforceable because you'll know if if anything leaves a site it doesn't meet the condition ten eleven twelve and thirteen are actually quite boring and they're all just standard conditions the other thing that you don't see a condition in here because it's already the sites already set up in a manner that it provides and I I didn't because it's an appeal I didn't ask for a time because it's not a resounding okay so I'm just gonna keep going and five minutes for the applicant that just our note our normal procedural rules that's rezoning that's where you're rezoning procedures I'm an appeal so it's not an unlimited time it's never been an unlimited time Barbara so it's up to the proceeding so I what time do you need that yeah I asked the chair if there was there was again you need a certain amount of time so you well again there's a rezoning or so I've never heard of a plan I think I need probably about ten minutes to finish I mean I need to explain this to you it's a whole record okay okay okay so the reason why you don't see anything condition about buffering is because there's an existing condition there's there's trees already surround the property this was in the client hired a planner an expert planner Speidel from used to be king and associates and she came in and explained that there's trees already surrounding the Maggiore the property providing a natural buffer the pole barns at 30 feet from this from the side the property's over five acres and the session the private session area is about 2,500 square feet of that so that's the that is the conditions and explains you know how they operate going to what happened the next thing I'd like to try to explain is Planning Commission and what was what occurred at Planning Commission and it's in the justification for relief I mean ultimately the public hearing was closed and there was a lot of difficulty in Planning Commission arriving in a vote it ended up being a 3-2 vote for denial interestingly enough that swing vote was the person who recommended approval and moved approval so your Planning Commission that moved approval said all of the staffs recommendation

and we had met all the requirements with our record that person ended up move approval didn't get a second nobody discussed anything and then that person ended up voting being the swing vote for denial so very confused voting I think your planning commission members were confused they are a new group together so I think they learned from this experience but so in the end a very strange result to have the person that said you met all the requirements and made the motion then be the swing vote and so then after that after Commissioner Hanzel had a failing motion then Commissioner Cox said in an effort to move things along he was going to motion to deny the request and then the county attorney prompted him to ask him what his basis for denial was and he said well the characteristic the land uses agricultural so I don't believe it meets that characteristic used own eadministrator drums in and says whoa you've already approved one of these about two miles away in the same zoning district so you can't say that it's not you're not supposed to have these use in that zone zoning district your school board member refuted that schools are put in agricultural zones all the time you're the chairman a real estate broker refuted and then your planning director tried to explain as well tried to explain but Commissioner Cox continued to have his opinion that agricultural zoning districts shouldn't have a school private school that's nature all refuted by actual your actual planning experts on the record also his opinion again that that's special exception should be high standards he didn't cite anything for that your your was refuted by your by your staff the after that then there was a discussion of he wanted to cite the first criteria which was consistency with the comp plan for a denial well there had been no testimony that was inconsistent with the comp plan by my expert nope no testimony from your experts your staff it was in the system of the comp plan there was no testimony by the neighbors I didn't have anybody any experts they just had an attorney and then the neighbors themselves so then there was a long trying to find of trying to find something to cite from the comp plan after a nine minute recess then we heard that what we were inconsistent with was policy flew one point one zero one but no discussion of why just a yep on the record yep that's it so I kind of call that a bingo moment which is let's find something it's not really fair to the Apple cam right he hired the expert staff had the expertise and we were we were having a hearing then to have a strange vote and then to try to come up with a basis and then recess to do that and say okay here it is and then this throw it in the denial the there was Commissioner Cox raised concern about compatibility but the record was clear that the neighbors raised versus an offer riding lessons to public for a fee the records clear that there's a veterinarian horse firm that also offers lessons to the public for a fee there's

a horse riding school open to the public that has festivals and camps well beyond just offering individual private lessons and all those uses have no special approval all those uses are not subject to all these conditions that coach prior and trying to have lessons for students is subjecting himself to so the record was very clear and your staff was very clear that this is compatible use so they clearly the basis that and if it's actually a slide back that says that we were incompatible and inconsistent the comp plan was refuted by the record your own staff our expert and it was really just Commissioner Cox's personal feelings and so but what we did hear a lot about and I'm sure will probably be the subject today which is Road issues and so I wanted to talk a little bit about that again looking at the record there was a lot of discussion over roads but your county attorney did a very good job in trying to get down to the bottom of it so in the end of the day there is a starts out when you leave oles Pasco Road starts out with 70 feet of easement right away he's a man in grossie grossie isn't going to 30 feet so there's 30 feet ingress/egress easement and ultimately the questions of your staff by your county attorney and I kind of want to read I want to read that to find my two different sections here okay all right so we just run through that's me I'll just read it for you too quickly then portions of the yzma are improved and one of the neighbors actually blocks the easement well I guess the point of there is it so their own making you know the neighbors complain but then they're the ones that don't want anybody to do anything to the road to improve it they're the ones that tend to block the the easement and when they talked about you know complained about dust and those things again we have we we had a condition and still have a condition regarding maintenance of the road the the condition the road your staff clearly testified that the road is is passable is acceptable currently and with the proposed trips for the use staff flat out said that numerous times can attorney kept asking young so the the other contention was the roads just inadequate staff repeated that but they also the testimony that the county attorney was asking of the neighbors was well do you have two horse trailers that passed side-by-side yes so you're able to have horse trailers that can pass on this road but but you're saying that it's not accessible to cars so your staff refuted all that we have a conditions regarding road maintenance and then the end of the day to still say Road issue was an issue when we have a condition about it and your staff refuted it there's no basis for that for from Commissioner Cox saying there's still a road issue when we when the purpose of a special exception is to put conditions on to address any issues we have the conditions and even without the conditions your staff said we don't need condition for because it's acceptable the road is acceptable and the condition is now so with that I apologize for the confusion regarding appeal we would ask

for a little bit of rebuttal time depending on what the what the any opposition Thanks all right this is a forces of appeal but it is also a public hearing to their field I have no one signed up for the issue there's anyone here wish to speak to it please state your name address and that you've been sworn for the record good afternoon mr. chairman members of the Commission I'm Dave smoker with the smoke apartment law firm 100 North Tampa Street Suite 20 50 tampa florida we're here on behalf of mr. I have been sworn okay thank you and before you go into your your testimony or your argument how long are you gonna need 10 minutes I I think that's very you give the applicant GG as brief as possible okay because I think frankly members of the board this is really a fairly simple appeal the Planning Commission got it right this use is simply too intense for this particular location sometimes that's the way it is and it's a square peg in a round hole and I do think it's important for you to have reviewed the order that was entered by the Planning Commission that order was approved by all the members of the Planning Commission when it was brought back to them at their next meeting and the key here is among other things the 15 12 to 15 foot wide Road is simply inadequate to handle the volume of traffic that would be generated by the proposed use currently the residential trip trip generation that would be anticipated from mr. and mrs. priors home assuming that there was a number of children there and they had cars would have been 60 trips per week if you look at the level of customers that would be serviced at their site for this baseball park you would have 260 trips per week that is a dramatic increase in the amount of traffic and that increase in the traffic for all practical purposes in my opinion makes it almost per se incompatible with neighbors you know the mic company my understanding is that they I'm sorry I'm playing record police today so please forgive me I probably should be sitting somewhere here we're more accessible to a microphone but the the 260 trips per week that was not on the record additionally there was a statement by mr. smoker please forgive me I didn't get to the microphone quickly enough that the entire Planning Commission approves the order that's not a correct statement either that is signed by the chairman of the Planning Commission and that was done so - Planning Commission - Planning Commission's after this appeal this special exception was heard so I just wanted to and I'll probably be objecting when something that's not on the record comes out okay my understanding was that we had an expert who was prepared to testify to these facts and that the expert was not available on the day of the hearing and my understanding is is that correct that but if you read the transcript your your expert document did not get into the record so how are you so you're now reaaargh Ewing what you wanted to get in at Planning Commission and couldn't fair

enough and if I may that's in the verbatim transcript page 60 of 140 where the Planning Commission did not accept the analysis or any of the information from the expert that they provided because she was not able to attend to here all right fair enough let me read what the order says that was signed by the Planning Commission this is a key padlock Drive consists of approximately 12 to 15 foot wide varies pave ingress and egress easement in substandard condition from old Pasco Road for approximately 1,000 feet up to the entrance of the Sara Russell stables and the Russell equine sports medicine veterinarian and then continuing east we're going to then get to the property in question continuing East padlock Drive consists of approximately 12 to 15 foot wide at Barry's unpaved ingress and egress easement which is made up of dirt and gravel with several deep depressions and variations throughout its surface portions of which are nearly impassable with the ordinary car and in substandard condition for approximately eleven hundred and fifty feet to the intersection of Elkmont Blaine Altamont lane from Hat lock drive to the subject property has also considered substandard with 12 to 15 foot wide easement Barry's unpaved ingress and egress easement made of dirt and gravel with several deep depressions and variations throughout the surface the portions of which are nearly impassable with an ordinary car now on primarily on the basis of that the Planning Commission concluded in its order that the proposed use was not consistent with the comprehensive plan specifically policy one point 10.1 it clearly a high intensity commercial type use which is effectively what the school would be is not normally consistent with a agricultural residential area now council made it sound like suddenly that conclusion was generated out of thin air but the facts that were before the Planning Commission were sufficient to easily draw the conclusion that this particular proposal was not consistent with the comp point additionally they found and this is not refuted that the proposed use will create or excessively increase traffic or otherwise affect the public safety so this is a safety issue and if you think about it it makes sense if you're going to have cars to large numbers of cars coming in and out of that at specific periods of time there's not enough room for them to pass between each other effectively additionally excuse me actually the record is completely different from what it says it actually even says in its press and in there and it's in the record in its current condition two cars don't pass each other I think that it's actually if you look at page 86 of 140 there was a person who actually testified that said that there's blocks that are placed in the easement which disallow some of the passing and there's also sections in the actual verbatim transcript that explained that if two cars are gonna pass each other one car stops and lets the other car pass that's

a that's the current condition out there so the Planning Commission had before us sufficient evidence that the existing roadway would not be adequate to handle the level of traffic that was being proposed additionally they found specifically that the section 402 point for point f3 of the land development code had not been satisfied because proposed use this does not have suitable access ingress or egress these findings were based on testimony and evidence that was presented to the Planning Commission Planning Commission had the opportunity to listen to that testimony they had the opportunity to judge the credibility of the witnesses and they came to this conclusion and this conclusion is supported by the evidence and it shouldn't be overturned now I understand that you do have the authority to re-weigh the evidence but I would suggest to you that in this particular instance that ability is one that has to be very carefully considered because in this particular instance we had solid evidence in support of the Planning Commission's decision now the justification that has been submitted in support of this appeal really doesn't adequately address the underlying decision and basis for the decision of the Planning Commission which was the inadequacy of this particular ingress and egress now there was mention made of while the Planning Commission you know kind of got it wrong they couldn't figure it out and take a recess you know that's sort of standard operating procedure a lot of times when a board is having to consider a decision they're going to have to make sure that they support that decision and that the record is adequate to support it and so to the extent that there was any time taken or any confusion I would submit to you it wasn't confusion I submit to you that this was the part of the deliberations of your Planning Commission which should be respected now there was a couple of mentions in the justification which we don't think are really fairly accurate one it is true that there was testimony from my client the Deion's that occasionally horse trailers can pass on that road but that's a rare occurrence we're not talking about 260 a week that's a rare occurrence comparative um I am objecting again the to the 260 a week that's not part of the record so I would like to object to that statement what what it ignores the justification ignores is that the testimony was that horse trailers rarely have to pass rarely now there was also testimony that there were other schools and commercial uses in the area but what this ignores is that these schools and commercial uses are all located on the main paved road not on the portion of the road was of concern to the Planning Commission essentially dead ends effectively at the priors problem the staff there was also indication that the staff said the road is accessible in its current condition as a practical matter that ignored the evidence that was before the Planning Commission including

pictures of the easement indicating that the road was effectively impossible for two cars to pass at once and that wet wet conditions were creating depressed depression areas and other issues so you know ultimately the Planning Commission had the evidence before it they made their decision it's supported by the record and I don't think it's appropriate and really there's not really even a basis for overturning their decision now council focused on the conditions of approval they have one minute you've got one more minute on a clock yes certain thinking you can condition potentially a special exception at nazia ad infinitum in order to try to but you can't fit a square peg in a round hole and with all due respect to the priors size with their situation but this uses a square peg in a round hole and all the conditions in the world are not going to be able to make it adequate ultimately and I don't think my clients should be put in the position of having to worry about whether all these myriad conditions are going to be enforced thank you thank you when do we get to ask questions excuse me also I want to make a clarification into the record again as I clear previously did if you look at your verbatim transcripts page 45 of 140 there is testimony that two cars do not fit on that easement in its current condition thank you you can ask questions as we Napoli I guess now I think he's up there if you have questions I'm looking at page 83 of 140 the transcript yeah and it says that the easement is 70 feet that okay it says this person has lived there since 1987 the driveway that they were discussing is a little over a half mile long to clear something the right-of-way issue at the front portion of this road the easement is 70 feet on the rest of the way back to my house it's 30 feet not 15 but it might be reduced to 15 because someone has put some kind of blockage in the easement is that correct that's what it says I would think that whoever put blocks on the easement has some liability if someone something happens but that's a issue for another day mr. chairman and okay and so do I understand there are people on this road that happened that have course we heard of course before yes the Dion's about a course one ice on that yeah so calling this a baseball school and is it a force at school or is it at baseball camp and you have a horse camp I I think probably what might be tripping some people up but they're calling you in a school and maybe we need a different kind of designation for that but I don't know why you know they were teaching soccer on a soccer field that seems compatible in the AG use so I'm kind of shocked tonight in reading the transcript and I read I'm reading here that someone built a house that uses this easement so if it's not at the road is not available for a car how is it available for construction trucks to use to build a house the only thing I can think of here is that they're referring to a house that was partially

encroaching upon the easement she asked me the question so I'm just saying that's really I'm kind of saying that's my fellow commissioners I guess oh you know so I'm sure we'll have more questions but I was curious about those okay mr. Moore yeah thank you sir so I just want to reiterate something commissioner start you just asked and I think we responded yes - somebody is giving riding lessons on their property yes Russell Stone we gotta let them yes the answer is occasionally yes okay we bought it was brought up festivals and camps at those properties at this property at the same observes and the record was missing that was on the records I don't believe that the Dion's property is being used for festivals and camps do they have birthday parties for people on horses yeah yeah I think so they do yes I'll stay the horses there in that time not aware of what they do there okay so we are giving lessons you are having birthday parties and we are having something similar to that on the record says that mr. smoke you mentioned you made a statement earlier that its standard practice at times to take a recess during I've never once seen us take a recess and then go back for a boat or seems too much denied I don't know how that standard practice where do you get the that documentation I've observed it in the past you've seen it here before yes that we've taken a recess that a board has taken recess come back to meet a decision yes I've been here for five years and everything now we don't do that here I I won't tell you how long I've been bobble I understand I understand but I just I've never I think for purposes of the record there they that does happen from time to time it's not I'm not sure that it's relevant it's preceded it's part of that standard procedures I would enter I don't think it's relevant okay it and then one more question whoever either you or both you can answer this to going back to Commissioner Starkey I just want to make sure this is on the record too so there is something that's a barrier that's been placed and easements of cars cannot pass there is evidence in the record of that there is okay all right that's all I have no thank you no no because it this is a public hearing and so we have to take public testimony yeah that has to remain on the record I realized that the quirk of this procedure but it says these are public hearings so the chair has to ask whether there's anybody who wishes to testify they are limited the same way you are it has to be based on the record five standing hearing okay so it's on the record that's how many times we have feel bad I mean we've already done that once if there's anybody who wants to speak we can do that over and over again we haven't done it have a notice from over just less than one person the smokers here and then we need is there anyone else in the public that would like to come forward and speak three minutes for you so you're not allowed me to speak yeah you can always know you can have rebuttal I just want to get public

comment done with you get your rebuttal yes you can come in speak you need to state your name and address and if you've been sworn yes Fred bird two nine four three nine had locked arrived okay I love speak on like to what's been brought up today okay mm-hmm the blocks the reason the blocks are there the blocks are not blocking the road the blocks are on the side of the road reason being is it's a 30-foot wide easement all the neighbors you have to give 50 each one of us owns 15 feet in the middle the paved apart excuse me mr. bird is answering a question that was on the record this is not a part that's no I'm explaining why the unexplained is ocularly no records on on page 86 of 140 mr. wells testifies that there are blocks that are blocking the easement that's incorrect that but this is not it this is a new part of the record so I'm just stating which on the record what mr. what mr. burr just stated is not on the record okay can I explain the easement situation there no no not unless it was brought up so so here so even if the information is incorrect it is what it is so I just asked the question that if the roads blocked how are we getting it an alpha okay good afternoon my name is Elizabeth Pryor I live at 8 931 Elkmont Lane I want to be very careful because miss Pryor did not testify at the last hearing so I am a bit concerned about this situation to the owner okay she can speak okay thank you I have been sworn in and I am gonna speak to the record I obviously myself and my husband are the applicants for this special exception and and I paid for the record I read it thoroughly and a couple of things I want to say is that the neighbors that are objecting we bought the house from them they had full knowledge that what we wanted to do before we bought the house from them and my husband does private clients it's one-on-one maximum of four at any given time on site I have to say that this is not excessive it meets what's well below the county's recommendations the staff Pasco County have approved the application with conditions and they had to Road experts will pool we'll and jamali both testified on record that the road was sufficient for the use that we were proposing the county attorney did advise mr. Cox at the time during the last meeting that he couldn't use his opinion and he mr. Cox at one point said that his bar for the special exception is high and I'm not convinced that this one really gets over that bar in my own mind it really came across as an opinion and that as per the record as it's been mentioned already there is a horse riding stables offering camps and lessons on a daily bit on a daily basis on the same road that they're objecting to there in the record it's also stated that it is a baseball school approved three miles away from our house on the same zoning and I just just likes us those are that my main points for that that's all I wanted just to reiterate that we you know have been approved by the county with conditions we meet all

those requirements they're in the record and we had experts that kind of backed up those conditions thank you thank you within three miles is the other baseball school which is part of the record it's approximately two miles away yes and they had the same restrictions and all they had less than I don't they it wasn't part of the record only just the approval may I answer the question about the restrictions I think you if the Commissioner is asking the question for the purposes of whether or not these conditions that they may approve today if they reverse the appeal are consistent with another project I think that's relative these are consistent stricter yes okay so and this board approved that the Planning Commission approved it yes yes board approved a special exceptions don't come to the Board of County Commissioners unless on appeal but Planning Commission approved that and had less restrictions in this project that's correct okay so to finish this up okay it's give miss Wilhite her opportunity for rebuttal all right thank you quickly barbourville height again so it's a frustrating as I stand here and and we we did the Planning Commission and mr. smoker wasn't there and he didn't cite to you any of the record he didn't cite to a page in situ aligned he gave you his impressions he gave you his opinions his expertise which yes he has done this for a long time but we actually had to do the real record and when I did the appeal I had to do the real justification and I cited to you line by line in my justification the real testimony you know the testimony that the roads are not stopping horse trails and passing each other the Dion's testified there was never had a problem with horse trail was going in and out neighbor Birds testified there's no issue with two cars or two horse trails passing on the road that's I haven't cited line for line in here I've got your staff cited where they said the roads are sufficient in their current condition for the number of seven currently he's exist for this use we we went through each of the issues and it's just hard to watch the priors have to come here today and and and spend money on this appeal when when all of this was gone through and that evidence is there the testimony is there the surrounding uses are there the prior approvals and and we meet all the requirements and and the records there so we'd ask for you to please hold the appeal overturn the Planning Commission and approve this with those stricter conditions the only condition you may want to talk about is condition for just because that came up at the Planning Commission whether you want to be on the count you can speak to your county representatives about that whether you want to be in this issue of neighbors don't want any improvements to the road this condition does require some improvements to the road so look at condition for and think about because staff has testified before you know after this condition was

proposed by me staffs testified that the roads is a fine condition now and as long as you have condition five that talks about making sure that's passable for emergency vehicles the staffs felt it was sufficient with or without number four so number four puts you in the you know the position of having to dictate provements to a road that the neighbors then objected to so but in any event we stand behind the conditions and I would like to be able to move this forward so they can move on with their livelihood thank you mr. Moore and so again this isn't a record I here's the picture I the cement blocks lining the edge and I don't know where the easement is obviously how deep it goes but this is this was an people are talking to the audience but this is here so you know so relating to four condition for I would strike that when it comes to emergency vehicles to I mean you know if we have a situation where there's heavy rains and I don't know this this road but if there's heavy rains along here how are emergency vehicles gonna be able to get off the side which they do on a regular basis on multiple roads throughout the county how they gonna be able to go up on my shoulder if there's issues on the other side of the road whether it be potholes or flooding because of heavy rain so that we can suppose I'm just telling you I I have a concern with these cement cement blocks I don't even know if that's legal that something has to be looking to my code probably I see another condition on here and I'm just curious why those positions even there there was condition I guess offered by the applicant that the days and hours of operation should be limited Monday through Friday from 3 p.m. to 8:30 p.m. I mean what about summers I mean when they'd like to be able to have people come out in the summer I would strike that too you know but I mean they want to have people in my opinion out there during the day you it was stated earlier that people are taking riding lessons I'm very familiar with how that works I'm sure they come out during the day so on the way somebody can have trained her morning know this says it says limited Monday through Friday from 3 p.m. to 8:30 p.m. so my question was why are we not allowing why is that condition there we're not allowing them during the day whenever it's limiting it to 3 p.m. to 1/3 there's kids in our home school right there there's no school hours during the summer either as though yeah no school I don't I don't know how you can even that's I think that you can run the business just doing just be honest 13 8:30 so I don't think that's I'd be I'd be mean well if you wanted to change that condition I'd support that change of that condition I want to eliminate them from 3:00 to 8:00 Wow would you advocate mister motion well I think there would be able be up to yapeth even want that I'm just asking them a question if they answer the question we could change the 3:00 p.m. to 9:00 and

that would be helpful to the 9:00 a.m. to 3:00 9:00 a.m. - I'd be amenable to that yeah I'm gonna summon support overturning in any way so I think it's ridiculous that's into the record okay no Sparky on number 10 so this is AG zoning right yep how are you requiring them to have a building permit and AG because they don't have to have a building permit that's not true they don't have to have a building permit for a non-residential farm building that's not every structure ok ok so we're a hat for a home they actually have a permit oh yeah it says here for any structure that has a footer so is that a dugout we have to get a building permit right I mean what what is that seems kind of strange to me I mean are you requiring horse horse paddock to get it yes commissioners argument that our dugout is a is a farm building I think they're on AG there's a lot of different buildings you can build with that it's a non-residential farm building as defined by the statute commissioner and if that's and that's exactly that's exam okay but that doesn't say that it doesn't say a non-resident whoa only a residential whatever the word is you're saying I think yeah you could add a cigar bag he's not Barbara is that as applicable and then yeah this seems to me that's catching too much so whatever the law is law is it's an awning structure it would be a dugout would be an awning structure no you wouldn't find that that isn't what it'd be be matter for cattle on baseball field that is not what it says I can I can tell you there have been farms that have that are there have been buildings Field of Dreams you're talking about I think that sentence is is catching two more than its supposed to make one right understatement you know what our honor Thank You chairman but when I consider the the road situation our staff has gone up and check some roads in my district that are dirt roads that they're passable to our fire vehicles but not to the other I know those conditions in here to kind of address that but that's the that's the biggest issue as you making sure that rotates going to be maintained for passability you know and I'm sorry I didn't hear the last part I'm sorry the passability part just making sure we can maintain that the roads gonna be passable you're not strange community coming on five five yeah okay you like to see five looked in there's what you're saying yeah definitely okay okay I make a motion to overturn Planning Commission's ruling and with that motion I'd like to strike right condition for and I'd like to amend condition 3 allowing from 9:00 a.m. to 8:30 p.m. in us as a state and on Saturday from 10 a.m. to 6 p.m. well and I would like to add fixing that number 10 to whatever language it is that justice can you put it a lawyer speak well ten is not really even a condition it's an acknowledgement so I'm not truthfully but if you want it to say as required by

law acknowledge that and building permit as required by law for all strict I'm fine with that but add it to like out of my condition to strike to second okay I got a motion a second its approval of the project with staffs recommended conditions but for for ten and the amendment of the time on three no I want to ask you about number two sorry do I mean how can you play any with four people if you wanted to wait again the maximum number of students on the site at any given time shall not exceed four can we only help you we would like writers that that we would like to keep that condition of the same because remember your staffs testimony about the road being adequate spaced upon these conditions so we'd like for you to prove you know our suggested conditions here and with your modifications I think are appropriate Commissioner well these are your recommended conditions yeah these red lines are mine now so you get on a red line so you're okay while doing so you were okay with two of these do we okay with this even though I understand that the nice target yes now we need to we would feel comfortable sticking with those conditions one in two we agreed to that's what your staff testimony was based upon okay if we want to come back and modify that in the future we could do that so the most stands as is don't think there was a second one well I I need a point of clarification for a moment and I apologize as I when I entered something into records there was a set of conditions that don't have strike throughs or underlines which is what the recommendation by the Planning and Development Department was to the Planning Commission and there's another set that has some strike leaders and underlines that is what the applicant proposed and that was entered to the record so the recommendation that or the the motion that's being made is it to adopt those conditions or adopt the conditions that make sure you're on the same page okay so motion stands okay okay so we're good motion motion stands those are the ones that were proposed by staff to the planning into the Planning Commission I have a motion a second all those in favor say aye all right all opposed motion passed 5-0 now we live to P 4 P 4 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on June 21st 2019 so we need to tea this up a little bit and I think Barbara needs to find someone I'll go over the information as best as I can I think I the applicant is not in the room at the moment so p4 is PDV 1973 9a it's a zoning amendment in the name of Burge can-can Gian and Paul over 80 it's a rezoning from an art to low density residential district to an MF to multiple family high density district parcel is located in south-central Pasco County on the east side of the old Pasco Road approximately 600 feet north of Oakley Boulevard the existing zoning is our - low density residential and the applicant is proposing MF - multiple family high density district with a deed

restriction limiting the residential development on the property to a maximum of 210 units and prohibiting multifamily apartments so these are going to be attached fee-simple units and it's on 48.8 acres and as you can see this is the surrounding zoning there are some MP UD zone parcels there's some multifamily in the area r2 and agricultural residential on the other side of old Pascal Road these surrounding land uses our res 3 access to the property is from old Pasco Road and staff is recommending approval this action actually also went to the Planning Commission and they recommended approval as well and I'd like to wait for the applicant she may have some items that she may wants to discuss African here I'm starting mr. chairman there there was a the meeting is about the there's an old route study done in 2005-2006 however the exact date that on old Paschal road that puts the requirements on this property and so there was some clarification that the applicants trying to get from our staff okay in the backward with respect to five minutes will recess for five minutes [Music] you know we reached out you get six different rehabs we gotta talk offline if you want we're gonna start back with Oh business we'll come back to before when class get back the attorneys are we gonna do our our three mister by us when we do that or tomorrow is that tape I would listen I would suggest doing the miscellaneous business first see where they are and then we can we this can be done in two weeks it's not something has to be done today my gavel got a moving yeah so if you would reopen the public hearing on the item I'll reopen the public here in no time so we've already we've already had proof okay she's already done hers while you were back there so so you're Europe as the applicant it's all you need barber Wilhite 63 27 Grand Boulevard you 4346 like - we're gonna agree in that with staffs recommendation we have worked out our alternative request I'll turn standard requests with staff which is administrative approval we needed to get that in administrative approval in place to be able to go forward to three zoning and we have that worked out so we thank you for your patience George I'm sorry right away for 400 right takes 84 feet off of our property eliminates about 20 some-odd townhome units okay we worked it out right how'd you get that on my record this is a public hearing I have no one signed up for this item is there anyone in the audience want to speak to this I see no one Luka rule second we had a motion for approval in a second all those in favor say aye aye opposed like sign motion passed okay we'll move now to mr. Bao should be here our pleasure of the board moving to next time okay oh it's a play for the board we can go to miscellaneous business let's go in here we're here oh it's only 10:00 okay r3 please that was

longer now you're on the clock dime it's nothing I'm sure Don Rosenthal assistant administrator development services this one our quarterly meetings about our processes and where we are it's a pre-application meeting for the current planning it shows us our free application meetings are still pretty high tuna 220 19 dipped a little bit and month of mate but it's climbing back up through the month of I'm sorry I dipped in the month of March climbing back up through the month of May thanks like new submittals peak month of May high of a little over 50 went back down in the month of peaked in April and back down in the month of June and they hit it back up now some of the things were planning and developing notes at our average day is we were looking to make 21 days we're a little bit above that now we're currently at 30 days our meetings for July the 25th are being scheduled for August 12th and for MPU of these for September customer feedback from the building construction services is very high in high 90s responses excellent permits issue I peaked well over the 2018 2017 and 16 numbers went down a little bit in April but it's rising again up through June inspections we've done more inspections in Pasco County doing this year than we've ever done before and each year has been higher than the preceding year code enforcement volume of work for fiscal year 17 18 and 19 from 17 to 18 went from 14,000 to 17,000 and right now we're at we're unattracted to 14,000 or well just about at 14,000 now we expect to be over 17,000 for the year more code enforcement on the number of service calls more specific on the service calls and my priorities code enforcement sweeps we've had sweeps in each district with the highest number of street sweep speed and stuff in commissioner start beats in Commissioner Mariano's districts we have 100% compliance in the districts 2 5 and 6 with 95 percent compliance in district 3 99.9 percent compliance and district 5 Country Club will stay sweet before say marry after a sweet TV and media we are using media more than ever before Twitter expressions you can see them there audiences that we're reaching it's a little over three million if we had to buy this publicity it would cost us over three hundred forty eight thousand dollars any questions a great job with social media I see you all the time on Instagram you like my dog I mean no I do I see it because ever the picture now it's a video it's got videos of them it's got the code team it's got minimum housing team I think it's so the plan review the goals 21 days I didn't see the plan how I gonna I know you guys know there's some well it should be 20 it should be 21 days but we're a little behind now it's about 31 soon until we can get back to 21 days and then well staff is working on it now we we want to be at 21 days and we're doing as best we can we hired a few more people as a training period in there so I expect soon I can check back with staff and give you a firm number I have to talk to the team well I just know

that you know from what I've seen heard when I go up there and I have to you know interact with Esther they're on it they get it done so I know they're doing it I know it's doesn't only other ones but but they're very responsible I just want to make sure that we are beating this number I know we have so it's only in the last quarter we haven't been able to say okay so I think this plan review number is a current planning the site plan review number not the building permit right the site plan Esther's number is from over-the-counter to the commercial permits can drag a little longer just because they're you there one all all of them so yeah and this current planing number right and the building apartment is a 10 day turnaround planning is normally 21 that's why I thought your atomic planning spectrums kind of online through yes sir we've started doing some of those we we're not doing as many as I would like but the team is gradually doing more and more we did more this month and last month and hopefully that trail will continue but mainly mechanical correct yes that's good I think that's gonna save you a lot of time I think so too any other questions good all right thank you all right thank you dan says it take like 30 mr. Morra Thank You mr. chair so just a couple things and listen if you've thought about the step on somebody's toes or something just wave and say you're gonna talk about it okay seriously what one was uh thinking about tourism obviously the tourism did a permit for John Cena coming out to one of the fire stations July 18th so John Cena did a spot for his new movie that's coming out I think I remember the name of the movie but I don't but it's an upcoming movie actually what I wouldn't saw the new Lion King with my daughter the other day I saw it already on the marquee at the movie theater so it gets us coming out soon but he did a promo so cool stuff there I anybody got talk about scalping down there I'm gonna talk about it was very happy I'll let you talk about what you're gonna talk about I figured to talk about it and then on another one there was a letter sent in response to our letter to Pinellas County that went to chairman Oakley do you plan on talking about the letter that was sent probably go ahead so we sent a letter to Pinellas County in reference to them not paying their property taxes to us so did everybody read the letter that okay so everybody saw it okay so it was a bunch of fluff thank you for sending it though but it didn't say that they're willing to do anything about it though they value what their partnership with their fellow commissioners and we appreciate you a value your partnership with Pasco County we do too but the same time pay your taxes enough let's do it I'm done thank you no Commission and I'm sorry one more thing that's a thank you all again for supporting what we did this morning

I'm so excited and I really you know yesterday it's the world they mean the world tour citizens so thank you all again for our preciate all the work you do in my district yeah well you know you never know I mean hey I don't know if you do we guess what we put the curricular to so my proofs ain't gonna keep going right that's a good part came to this team obviously it parks it's a good park getting buried it yeah so that rotary out there West chapels have done a great job they're really active in that community so that we appreciate the have for their work and also what's the Bernard Bernard mr. chairman just thank you yes their their letter back to us referenced an upcoming meeting that I'm having with their County Administrator that's the 30th of August so once we meet I'll report back to the board after that meeting oh so he's kind he's come up to meet me on 30th of August I'm sure we'll talk about this just make the club we'll pay our taxes it takes like 20 seconds quick call yeah what's the debate you only an you pay taxes and we'll cover probably a couple of the topics that we have to discuss with us and Pasco and Pinellas County yes so as you know I attended the annual conference in Las Vegas and I took a field trip to see a project that like committee that I'm on set up with many commissioners and it is called the boulder highway collaborative campus and not nope so it's a it's an Boulder Highway collaborative Kim sorry I don't know what that is so it's a it's a low-income housing project that was funded with a five million dollar five plus million dollar grant from HUD plus the county put some money into it and the the Housing Coalition it's called Nevada Han and it was amazing and I hope you get some pictures up of it maybe just do Google Images it has a it was in a blighted area and so they cleaned out the blight they built this housing project right next door is that andre agassi charter school k-8 charter school on the same campus the Boys and Girls Club came in and put in a very you know simple but large building that offers programming for the residents in that area for kids after school daycare enrichment adults can use it at community events and and also mortgage through enrichment for adults and then they have the Lutheran Family Services there on the same campus that is similar to our navigation Center so that might be the that's that building yes let's see here well this building that's two-story I think that's the Lutheran Family Services Building similar to you know our little our navigation Center there should be more pictures oh there is see the plan up top here in the middle that's kind of the schematic and that's called Boulder pines and really very outstanding program so in the lizard family services they there you see the the rents that they have all the different agencies like like we have here they have a commercial kitchen and when we were there they had clients in learning how

to cook healthy food they actually have the food of Food Bank there and it's a digital food bank so the clients are a lot of so many points per month and if they can shop twice a week and they can make they are allowed to make choices so if you want to pick say a green vegetable it might be worth three points if you want to pick process a process vegetable it's ten points and so you kind of get guided towards making good healthy choices because you get more food so it's kind of a cool way that they guide them to healthy choices and they they do this all online and I'll just they can go to any library or anywhere if they don't have a computer and they have volunteers that counter all the food and get it ready for them to come so they come twice a week they just pick up their food so it does it take a lot of time in a lot of space and they're actually in the midst of expending it maybe you can keep scrolling down so you can see I'm sorry I thought now well we'll get some pictures sent to you I want I told Cathy and Marcie I would really like them to go out and check out this project and I would like to apply for CDBG grant to do something like this because we certainly had the need for work for low-income housing like this and you know we we use our own money but we don't go season we don't go out there and and ask ask for the grant and HUD when when I was there HUD the HUD folks spoke and they said they are really wanting to give money to work force housing especially an opportunity zones which we have quite a few in the county they have they have a hundred billion they said a hundred billion dollars are going to get invested in the opportunity zones and they really want to partner with with municipalities and focus on workforce housing and skills training so we can also apply for federal funds for apprenticeship skills training centers and the Florida Keys just got one there the first one in the state they got let's see what they get sixteen million dollars from the feds to build a training center to help their people get trained gets filled up so I think there's a lot we can do do that maybe not so I was pretty excited about that and I and I thought this this program here was amazing I have some other stuff here but because of time I will show it to you at the next meeting and September has to do with Elizabeth Dole Foundation and some other things that I think we could also bring here about all this so I haven't received the official word yet but Commissioner Mariano told me and someone else told me that apparently for the first time ever I am the I am for the third year in a row the chair of the International Economic Development Task Force so I was honored to be the new president for that I received a letter like many of you did about Mitchell Park and I had a little talk with Keith and submittal parks feel this may be not in the best condition but you want to address it since we all got that letter and we will figure out a plan all the time yes so Mitchell Park

just just like a lot of our facilities were pretty much at the point where active at capacity a Mitchell Park is a little unique in the sense that it has very very poor drainage problems and so any of you that I've ever driven by it looked after a rain event though the fields hold a lot of water so in addition to basically a lot of use mole cricket it's not a joke mole cricket infestation and the drainage problems the eight week to nine weeks eating operation that we typically do at the end of their season of the league season wasn't very effective so I would like to take this opportunity to at least talk to the board about my team trying to work with the league's to kind of get better control or better stewardship of the facilities there's eight eight weeks is not enough rest renovation time for for a facility to recover basically the turf conditions so what we're seeing at a lot of the major facilities is is registration exceeding the key what I would call tipping it's in my biological terms they're a little bit a carrying capacity every facility would have a carrying capacity which means you can only put so many teams in so many so many folks on the field yet we haven't really done a good job to be honest in working with these leaks to say if you have four fields that has to equal X number of of you know individuals participating in said sports so we I'd like your support to start having those conversations because that the truth is is we want the best turf and the best facilities and everything that's available there unfortunately we don't have as many facilities as we need to really respond to the growth the Pasco has seen so what we have is what we have and we just we are gonna need the support to work with the league's to you know if you have again as an example if you have four fields maybe you shouldn't be planning your registration for four fields maybe you should be plenty and for three to allow one field to rest longer than eight weeks salute you know grass is a living organism it can only be beat up so often and we're really struggling I can I won't list the field so because I don't if anyone's watching this or gets when they're gonna probably say I can't believe Keith talked about capping programs it's it's the reality of where we are and if we don't start to do something we're gonna be the field conditions will be like they are at Mitchell all the time so that's just you know Thank You Commissioner Stark you for give me an opportunity this is definitely something that we needed to discuss so I'm here if anyone has any specific questions about that it's it's a it's a sad state that you know we may have to limit the play but we only have so much room you know that the Starkey Park was due 15 years ago 20 years ago and where's you know where was so much playing catch up on the west side so I did mention to Keith that you know we should talk to the school board again and David those fields are closed that night closed on the weekends at the

schools you know let the kids play yeah almost everywhere does it I grew up playing on my mind I was a kid that went back yeah so come on we're willing to take the liability so I you know if I'm really asking the school district to open those are taxpayer-funded fields and you know we're gonna we're gonna have to limit kids play what and there's capacity that's just not we're just not being allowed to use so our residents are being allowed to use but I know Keith and I are meeting with the league on Friday discuss some things and there they've been great partners as there are all those conversations together maybe if it's investment conversations or what we can do more together to make sure these kind of things don't happen because the fields are in the worst shape I've seen manager can we can we don't need a place blame it's just well that worry is we're a team yeah but I think we have six it's a combination and that's amazing stuff too but again it doesn't matter work we're gonna meet Friday to discuss it I agree with you on the start he feels I think need more to come on the future that we need those fields now well we need the money we need the money to pick we have the land we just don't have the money to build anything we might have some ideas state 200 right you miss Cheerilee could yeah I think it was a little bit of maintenance from what I'm hearing and I think that that group of teams they play in different fields different parts all over the county crews and they're trying to stretch it out and maybe that's the way work at it years ago I talked about trying to look at trying to like raise those fields up mm-hmm and I think you know we've got Magnolia Valley if the soils they were good and we could put the fill in there and then go on the top of it so they're elevated better they'll drain better I think they'll we're better it may be something to take it take a look at the down there is so so the team took we took the initiative to to scope out of drainage analysis for that because obviously you know certain statutes co2 requirements you can't put fill you know without negatively impacting your neighbor so I think that's the largest concern there but I think that if we can get some material nearby reduce the cost and then fix the you know that would ultimately if we can address the drainage on-site because I don't know where else we would be able to fix it that would help out a lot so my church is across the street have more property than we need and so if you I I'm sure we could work something out with my church okay thank you yeah what I help I won't see you the next meeting so let me tell you how I'm watching a vote I can't think of anything Oh respect away - okay so the first thing let me go ahead and start with I'm asking you to approve a one-time fix it's Miramar street it's a B Road the last update we got from the fire team they come out access the road when there's rain that's how bad it is so it

looks like it's a five thousand dollar six I'd ask for 5,500 Oh 5,500 sign or 5655 51 I'm trying to remember I'm trying to remember what it was is 55 5600 I just said 5550 170 so hopefully we can save some money on that you know but that'll be the maximum out if that's okay second oh yes which target no motion the second yes all in favor aye opposed same sign motion passes thank you and to clarify the motions provide up to fifty six hundred fifty five thousand five hundred fifty one dollars and 70 cents I got to go okay okay make sure bud does not go over that okay I lose a little flexibility another thing I just wanted to bring up and I know you know since we passed the local purchase preference and you hear me talk all the time about us using local vendors it's nice to see I'm consume I know we don't always talk about it we don't always pull them but it's nice to see more local companies Pasco County companies doing business with with us so I don't know if you noticed like that today Jared Ford was on there it's nice to see Jarrett forward instead of us buying Ford's outside the County so I just want to make that and and just thrown it out for commissioners I get a solicitation list from Eric's team every month you know I forward it out to folks maybe that don't do business with the county that maybe want to do business with the county and let them do what they will or folks that are on our bid list that maybe don't know about something I send it to and to make sure they know you know I'm just saying if you maybe want it I don't think it's a bad thing because you might look at it and say wow this person so maybe if you want to just I think it's it that's a good thing because we've had several that I've added that you guys have added on the bid list that I don't think they've gotten anything but at least they know that you did where they didn't know it before so it's all about educating and I think it starts with Atticus if he surprised somebody folks have no idea there's that many things out there so that's not a bad idea we yeah I know it was a vendor at one time for another county years ago and I was in business and it was hard to decipher but I didn't know what it was coming out so so and then on to the scalloping Commissioner Starkey I want to thank you for filling in last many you did a fantastic job I was in Daytona State ona I truly wanted to be there the scalloping thing has been something that has meant the world to me to bring it back to Pasco County I can tell you you know I want to thank you senator Hooper you know chef Ben the lake family forgiven the house bringing these folks in make sure they're amazing you know it's just neat to the guides you know Curt Romanowski and Mark Dillingham will help takes folks that were from Japan I know I saw them here one day it's just it's neat to see these bloggers here talking about the scalloped seas and some of the numbers which I thought was interesting and I went scalloping three of the days and we limited out every day

and not that that's the goal you don't need to limit our I know Commissioner Starkey you guys went out and had a great time you know but some of the survey results that I did get back because I had them survey me twice when I went to the boat ramp the average boat was almost four gallons of scallops per boat that's how good that's a good note so for us to see that number again especially in nothing against the other counties I hate to see Hernando its hit you're struggling I truly do and they say that happens every once in a while so dealt without rebound but it's just been a great year so I appreciate the support for everybody FWC I know Tom grave spoke in length I mean it's been a great partnership so hopefully next year we'll do it over ten days and then maybe we can look at expanding it's kind of the idea but this and I'm excited to see the economic development numbers which I don't have yet but I don't know if any of that you know it's got to be out there but it was just such a sight to go out to ankle and I wanted to see five hundred boats out there it's crazy you know and I'm out there on the the last day on the Sunday and there are that's out there every day and we still limited down a couple hours I was you know so just neat again it's not about limiting outs about be with your family getting a gallon or whatever it is I don't know what we did wrong but I got six on Sunday yeah they're hard to see right there well next year you can behind you know but I mean it was I was impressed with the Honors College because they were babe they do move in now at the time again scallops diary or so it's good that we're able to harvest um still protect them making sure we don't over harvest but it was a fantastic year thanks to Adam and his team I know the press was fantastic so thanks for the to isn't development council for voting I'm leaving a lot of these things is pretty cool so mr. chairman good s Commissioner a question yeah so Commissioner Wells what you mentioned maybe a tenday again next year is there not a possibility maybe maybe to get like a full two weeks or it could be that FWC has made this part of like they don't the boat on anymore it's just a 10-day season going forward just like the other counties are two and a half months yes it's a possibility I guess what Keith and I do a follow-up with FWC we couldn't have a conversation but I just want to make sure that the data is correct sometimes they're a little bit behind with the study I want to make sure that we can sustain it longer because trust me I would love to have longer and I think folks from outside the county would say the same thing as well as folks in the county because somebody said it all I don't I don't need to sound mean down so I guess maybe the Commissioner wants me to bring up the we're partnering with FWC on expanding the actual scallop sampling off our coast okay and the idea but that would be they would have a more robust data set to make decisions on future harvests so we're partnering with them

our our team actually is doing in water training right now with FWC staff to be able to take over that sampling so it's very exciting for them I keep telling them please put it on my calendar so I can also go out in the water but hopefully that that's what will happen you know in the next next year next couple of years yeah because it was very I think there's only like six sampling sites or it was very few in the entire county that did a sample so for us to again work together and your team thank you for being out at the boat ramps on the weekends Melissa I knew I saw it a couple days she was fantastic didn't know who I was at first but just was very polite can we do you have a minute so I could survey so was it was pretty cool so thank you it's neat to actually see us come yes is happening when you look at the other counties this is exciting well it's justice' follow up you don't mind yeah just I understand you need to have a sustainable fishery and you gotta be very careful that just thinking about the numbers that I saw what Pasco had compared to like you stated Hernando at Citrus County yeah well and again they're still going and going and going we had better numbers in Pasco yeah cording to FWC and they measure that again it's per what again like it not square foot but per yeah yeah we had a higher number yes now one of them was crazy way up the door for around Stein hacci or somewhere that never was all honey it was like it was silly time but if maybe at least you know two weeks would be great because it think I'm just think about you know tours of mind here that would sleep benefit to the stretches that way yep the specialist he got benefit especially to the west Paschal market I mean it's it's great I mean I'm sure those restaurants and stuff we're probably packed around Port Richey and such and I absolutely agree it's something that we can discuss ourselves because trust me I would love to have them again I understand I don't go a month or two months to any but leave me at least two it's a win-win for everybody we just want to make sure we don't stabilize over harvest either and I and I went and bought a new snorkel equipment because I was drowning in my old stuff so yeah all that kind of sail might want to get a bigger mass so you can see them better feel you guys I met I get the clear alls I'm gonna get a prescription master I'm a good guy I'm good so I just we were just in bad I'm done going okay I wanted to check under that there just a little bit you know Commissioner Wells what you did to bring Scotland back was a phenomenal achievement I know for three years before that we tried to work on it we can get it done but your your diligence your expertise as a captain I think carry carried the weight to get it through if the numbers are going that strong I won't you remember how many years was that were out and waited and waited and waited I think you should go fight for all of it alright conversation every year I just mean I mean I mean I think you got you sounds like you get

the numbers we've been penalized for so many years let's go get it back in full we should be treated the same as the other two counties right to the north so I support everything you've done so far they gradually China because it's been great for the county but I think those stronger than the fight hard for it every step of the way no but what can i enclose will be expanded hopefully in the next well soon we need to close on the property first yeah thank you and as far as like Bo Gramps ago I think Sunwest may be one that could be coming up as well they do in the rescission rescission process right now the bids that went out for the restaurant the hotel up there didn't happen but staff's gonna work on that as far as they look for another way to go forward to make something happen up there but he's getting close to be able to go back to look at putting dredging up there he's actually helping with some bull ramps for kayaking to dredging the other night last night I was up to golf landings and they had brought both harvest folks were there Gulf woodlands were there and and everybody was fired up about dredging and they called the meeting before the regular meeting just to talk about that and I let him know that that the board of county commissioner and working with his best one who ever served with we're working on best times we're getting more stuff than than ever and I will say that you know three years ago when I had my first dredging meeting up at Sea Ranch it was just like to find out where the interest was and we found it was very strong interest I told that we had done the study with doober II wasn't really thrilled with what the results were but at least it gave us something to the next step I told them for the past year and a half we were working on both fees to take a look at that and the information we get the state legislature it wasn't going to be the way to go so I said right now I think we're going to look at using the BP reach direct money hidden involvement for the people that live on these canals to participate and maybe doing something up and down the whole coast to get something started I strongly believe the proposal that was put it with the GBA that was a firm that was done we talked about this at the budget meeting as far as doing something on the gateway study and I says you know as far as studies go studies are great but right now there's a strong need for dredging the strong will for dredging all the way to participating in it that's helped make it happen but until we make a step happen and build some momentum it's just going to be frustration out there and those people are motivated to to help support us to make these decision but I would like us to look at that contract real close have it brought back to the budget meetings because from what I'm hearing it wasn't a competitive budget meeting which is why I needed to bring it laughter I was coffee it was it wasn't gonna be brought up at the budget meeting again so I have to talk to a County Administrator before I went to

the meeting just gotta get update is it in the budgets when I talked to him I I get the feeling it wasn't gonna be in the budget so I needed to bring it before you today and I need to let those people know what was going on so I want us to look at look at it real close as it brings up if I need it if you need to add into the budget to make it work then so be it but I want to let you know there's a strong strong support to try to make it up in one way let me ask a question yes somebody put something out well yeah I know what was just from last night that's right we had memories just saying no no just from last night I said if you want to make something happen you need to email the county commissioners and I gave the evaluation oh yeah exactly and again I gave you guys props every step of the way about getting stuff done but I says they need to know because they can't just hear it from me so those emails I've said if you want it you're gonna reach out and let them know you want it there's nothing well this item here this item here is gonna come up in the baby if we will it'll come up with a budget again well we can look at it like we talked about you know three or four weeks ago and again only with county administration saying he didn't think I was gonna move forward I needed to bring it out and let the people know we want to hear him say hey if you call it the budget workshop we went through the BPI and the question came up about there was a BPI for master planning efforts that's directed at the market areas like we did the harbor's market area at that point mr. Muriel is correct he brought that up to maybe use that money to do finish the dredging study as opposed to doing the market area studies and as I explained him last night at the workshop there was not the board was not interested in doing that and so we at this point moving forward with the market area study BPI in the twenty budget and the hundred thousand dollar dredging contract is still scheduled to be go through the process of be using the historic money but it has to go through the solicitation process in compliance with the RESTORE Act requirements what's so that's where that is so can we borrow from ourselves and refund it so we can get that study going cuz I think I think we have a consensus that we want to look at dredging I'm not granted that's that's not look some of the so certain place so commit Commissioner Starkey this is a reimbursement grant anyway we haven't spend the money first anyway so what we're doing right now is going through the solicitation process to acquire the consultant the correct way in compliance with the RESTORE Act requirements which were different than the piggyback that we had tried to do a few months ago so we're going through it right now so when Matt is ready to come to the board we'll bring it to the pace thing that's out on the street this'll look hey I had to have to go look at the list to see where it is in the process we're working on getting them back out in a RESTORE Act compliant manner when that's done we will bring it to the

board for award and if it's ready for Treasury it will set up the budget process to make sure that we take care of that but it's still a restore act funded item not a general fund funded BPI is was kind of kicked around at the workshop and then it didn't really go anywhere so that's that that's that's where we are all that so this meeting I was invited to I don't know how long ago was invited to it and I didn't know what the topic was gonna be until like right before and they you know find out that it was all about dredging for me to be there they had their meeting afterward they weren't there anything else except for that one topic so like I said I know it's very important they talked about doing different things about putting in money with the Civic Association to match what I put in or other things like that but this first thing is just the first step to get something done a part of the channels for Gulf harbors Hudson area and around there so I think we need to go put it on there to get something started there's there's a lot of will and you may hear about a little more but again like I said I would like to see it brought up for discussion of the budget again you can study it now look a little bit more in and do your own research and talk to the folks that are be mailing you back and and see will see what you're thinking because I think it's that important it's been three years since we started this and you know I stepped away from the voting fees knowing that it wasn't going to be fully supportive where it needed to be but from everybody I talked to from all the way down if I need to do it if we need to do MSB use all the way down multiple service benefit units where everybody shares in the cost to the match what's out there with the restoring money is will out there it would make something that what question so during your discussions there's some seats you're hearing support for that yes yes and I told us we're gonna look at every option the boat fees are out of the mix we just got to go find other ways to go it wasn't gonna do it wasn't worth the battle exactly so this way here and I says you know long-term what I look at is we could probably put this in place and I think we should do with the conjunction with tactic or in financing but I think we should set this up for long term so that now up and down the coast everybody's on the channel as well they can all have a smaller contribution so once all these channels get dredged now you get a reoccurring fund that can take care of dredging all the way through they won't have to ever worry about funding again just like a stormwater utility will have it a dredging utility up and down and I think they'll be support for that as well yeah the only question I have I did review it it talks in here about looking at Gulf harbors and just the Hudson channel just the one can help now I'm familiar with you know signal Cove and the one canal that you can I mean a little time you can't even get in the map the Maps editor but I chose the map of just doing

called Harbor stay in the one channel but is there a way maybe with whatever company we decided to use where they can rank them by I don't know how we rank it right they all need to be dumb there's got to be some that take priority over other when it comes to life safety things like like signal code I don't know what a negative tied I don't think first responders can get in there by boat no you know but I'm not saying Gulf harbors there's an a' for neither but gulf harbors is pretty deep where you can still get it out I'm just I'm not saying don't do Gulf harbors because it needs to be done too but I guess we need to look at prioritizing which Canal is needed the most when it comes to will several things economic developments one what the businesses like in Hudson with that main channel you know where they can't even go out to Spearfish at low tide that's ridiculous but but the signal Cove channel is terrible mmm I can make it in there at dead low tide but if you have a boat that draws a foot you can't get in there you can't get in there at all so that's a priority in my opinion over maybe Gulf harbors and there's might be another ones I'm just you know I know there's another neighborhood I got farmers I just want to make sure that we're what have some kind of waiting average through they're looking at how many residents live back there compared to I don't know I don't know what I don't have you know what I mean though and and the reason this started out with these two areas Gulf harbors because they had a couple of small sections that were in there hudson channel because it had been dredged as well these will be the inexpensive ones that say that it could be fixed real easy it got into woodlands and Gulf landings later on just knowing that they had a lot of silt that was in there as well so because the soundings had been done by donation by another firm that they had used these to say okay I can get very specific on what this would cost to do this staff looked at the leisure Beach channel as well to possibly add it in there cuz like you say when you get out there you get that even even at height at low tide it's a little time you're in your dead zone that's why there's a line going all the way across that goes to the channel so that that could be tweaked and I think that it's the Sigler Cove go and be able to go across as well so that I think is going to begin there it's going to help those so this is like the first step once we get one of this this section done that leads to where they'll be more enthusiasm I want to see every single channel dredge and some of our gonna be easy to do because they've been permitted already some will take a little bit more time because they have been permitted but with what they've got in this place for this one here we know what this number is going to at least we know we got a lot of support to get this part done to go forward and again this won't be a quick project but this at least we'll get something started we'll get two things done that