07.09.19 Pasco BOCC - Part 2

[Music] good afternoon I'd like to order the Pasco County Board of County Commissioners meeting of July ninth 2019 I would like to remind everyone please silence all electronic devices at this time first we have two resolutions first resolutions that report is anyone here representing roberts ahead 'nor please step up to the podium or did I pronounce the last name correct Zentner okay I'll do my best thank you resolution number 19 - 199 a resolution by the Board of County Commissioners of Pasco County Florida honoring private first class Robert L zet nirn for his sacrifice to our country during World War two in the battle of Tarawa on Betio Island November 20th 1943 whereas private first class Robert L that nerve was born in cottonwood Minnesota on July 2nd 1924 he spent his youth in Redwood Falls along with his parents Roy and Irene and younger siblings Louis Thomas and janan and whereas the family moved to Paso County in 1930 where private first class Cetner attended Pasco High School in Dade City and was on track to graduate with the class of 1942 an R as the attack on Pearl Harbor occurred during private first class Cetner senior year he convinced his parents to allow him to leave high school early to enlist in the Marine Corps in December 16 1941 nine days after the attack on Pearl Harbor an Raz after completing bootcamp training with the sixth recruit battalion in Paris Island private first classes at nerve was assigned to duty with the Marine Barracks at Naval Operations Operating Base Key West in October of 1942 he traveled to camp Elliott in San Diego California and was assigned to the 6th replace Italian where the battalion was organized and readied for overseas deployment after departing the United States in late 1942 he was posted to a Company F 2nd battalion 8th Marines in February 1943 an res on November 20th 1943 Fox Company was ordered to seize and hold a landing zone designated red beach 3 on the island of Betio Tarawa where a private first class Cetner was killed in action during the first battle the 1st day of battle an R as private first class settlers remains were initially buried in West Division cemetery in the island of Betio and in 1948 were moved to the National Memorial Cemetery in Hawaii through DNA matching private first class settlers remains were identified On June 20th 2018 and recently returned to the United States where he now rests at the Florida National Cemetery in Sumner County an R as our community has a continuing sense of gratitude to those who have given so much in the defense of the freedoms which we all continue to enjoy we owe a great debt to those who have served in the defense of this nation and will perpetually honor the private first class Cetner sacrifice by adding his name to the Pasco County World War Two memorial in Dade City now therefore be it resolved by the Board of County Commissioners of Pasco County Florida that said board hereby honors private first class Robert L zedner and his

family for their dedication and sacrifice to our country done and resolved in regular session with a quorum present and voting this 9th day of july 2019 the purple second the motion second all those in favor say aye hi welcome as Miss Smith was Robert was that nurse sister and she was four years old when took place when he joined the service we've got right and we're so thankful for what he did he paid the ultimate price but we all have freedom here today because of him and many many more that they paid that price for our freedom so so grateful I have two uncles and a and the father that's on that same the world and so everybody knows we've already placed the name on the memorial we went out and looked at that before the meeting started so Miss Smith would you like to say something if you would step to the podium there pull that mic down to you I just want to thank you for watching out for veterans there's there's so many of them need help and it's just wonderful that somebody cares yeah like you do I just thought I'm thankful to everybody if I start crying nice day and it's a good day to cry so don't worry about that so we certainly glad we worked out things was there was confusion or where where he was where he was living at the time because his address that Brooksville so it was very confusing try to work that out but in fact back in the day the address is for Brooksville because of zip codes and we know about that West Orange County that zip codes sometimes an address over in the past ago County and we figured that out and we've already placed his name on morale out there he's at these intimate list of what's missing in action until they did find him and thank goodness they recovered him and brought back so that's great so we certainly appreciate his sacrifice and and your family's sacrifice and allowed especially your parents allowing him to join up when he did I know after Pearl Harbor was how we ended up being in the world war two we were allies to others but how we got into us from Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor at that time and we we got it and back then I'm sure they started a draft or maybe thought about one but most people join because they won't go and fight for the country and he was one of those so and I appreciate it right that's right so that's what got a lot of them go Jorah service back in that day so it's so much appreciated is given to the ultimate price for our for you will all come down and join you or take a picture [Applause] resolution to dr. Steve spinner could you please come to the podium and if any of your team is here as well that can come up to the podium Senate Model come up come on up don't be bashful resolution number at nineteen - one nine eight a resolution by the Board of County Commissioners of Pasco County Florida expressing appreciation to dr. Steve spinner retired city manager for the city of Zephyrhills for his 32 years of service to the citizens of Pasco

County whereas dr. Steve spinner began his career in service to the public working as a reporter and later became editor of the Zephyrhills News where he remained until 1987 an res in 1987 dr. finis started working for the city of Zephyrhills in the planning department then in 1996 he took on the role of the acting city manager after four months the City Council promoted dr. spinner as city manager for the city of Zephyrhills and res during his tenure as at the city of Zephyrhills he helped shape and define Zephyrhills by working to save and preserve many of the community's historic treasures including the historic train depot which is now a museum showcasing the history of the city andraz dr. spinner served as a founding member of member of the Main Street Zephyrhills Inc an organization that works to preserve and enhance the downtown area of the city of Zephyrhills an R as dr. spinner was instrumental in the formation of the Zephyrhills Economic Development Committee together with the development of numerous programs and projects which continue to enrich the lives of the citizens of Zephyrhills and res dr. spinners dedication to the public administration profession has been exemplified through his work as adjunct professor at the University of South Florida and through his contributions to professional organizations such as the Florida League of Cities the Florida City and County Management and the American Society for public administration Suncoast chapter and r as dr. spin is defining focus has been building cooperative relationships and partnerships with the state of Florida Pasco County chambers of commerce and their regional municipalities and whereas after 32 years of dedicated service the past County Board of County Commissioners congratulate dr. spinner on his retirement from the city of Zephyrhills and wishes him the best in all future endeavors now therefore be it resolved by the Board of County Commissioners of Pasco County Florida that said board hereby express his appreciation to dr. Steve's Benna retired city manager from for the city of Zephyrhills for his 32 years of service to the citizens of Pasco County done unresolved in regular session with a quorum present and voting this ninth day of July 2018 thank you very much I appreciate this recognition and it's been a honor to work for the citizens except for Hills in Pasco County these past years it's also been a privilege to work with Pasco County and numerous projects that we've we've completed over the years and I know the city will continue in that format thank you very much thank you alright just say a couple words dr. Sperry have been amazing to work with passion for the city has been incredible and I think it's great just like today fitting day that we opened up State Road 56 going all the way to 301 so your leadership for the city has been phenomenal every step of the way you got a great council to work with as well and now a great

replacement that you've groomed so I expect more great things coming from Zephyrhills so thank you Thank You commissioner I'll be doing right now I'm retired but I'll find something to do down the road you know we retire a couple three times just one you're only on Tuesdays brought him on to thank you I've certainly enjoyed working with you over the years I mean even before I became here at this as a commissioner years and years in the past as a business person working with yous always been a pleasure and and you've done a great job as FBI we're so appreciative of what you've done there you take care of a lot of our citizens there and that that area that we we appreciate and we we take care of ourselves so you're citizens were irises and so we all were close together on that all right thank you very much commissioner okay don't do this song Jordan down below or take a picture yeah there we go plead with the public hearing magenta starting with p1 ordinances one publication was in the Tampa Bay Times on June 21st 2019 good afternoon commissioners Denise Hernandez Planning and Development item p1 is pt-19 - 1104 this is a large cell comprehensive plan amendment for Grand Oaks this is a continuance item so it's a request for continuance the August 6 2019 Board of County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 in Dade City moved to continue attend so go take a second I got emotions that continuous all right all those in favor say aye motion passed P 2 P 2 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on April 26 2019 erricka windlance planning and development item pt/ptt 1908 74 is a large scope comprehensive plan amendment in the name of C pal 1906 myth 54 sub area this is the adoption hearing so we'll begin by reading the ordinance title into record an ordinance amending the Pasco County comprehensive plan providing for a large-scale comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use maps map 2-15 in sheets 20 changing from res 12 residential 12 dwelling units per gross acre comm commercial office off office and con conservation lands to PD plan development on approximately one hundred and sixty four point eight acres of real property located on the south side of State Road 54 approximately 2,000 feet east of Meadow Brook Drive and a text limit to the sub area policy flew seven point one point nine Smith 54 sub area in a map amendment to future land use maps to - nine nine Smith 54 sub area providing for a repeater repealer severability in an effective date on May 9th 2019 the LPA held a public hearing on the proposed comprehensive plan amendment and recommended approval to the Board of County Commissioners on May 21st she was 19 the BCC had a public hearing on the proposed larger comprehensive plan amendment and authorized transmittal to the Department of Economic Opportunity and other reviewing agency CEO receive the transmittal package for expedited review

and there were no objections on their proposed amendment I'm trying to go back and it's going the other way the subject property is located in the South Market area on the south side of State Road 54 approximately 2,000 feet eath of meadow book Drive discharge of property surrounded by the shops of balint a village to the north single-family residential to the south and west long lake ranch office uses in the Pasco County proposed school site is located to the east here is an inset map representing the proposed Floop land development which is consistent with a hot comprehensive plan as it is intended to create a flexible mixed-use project that will encourage opportunities for different types of housing convenient shopping recreation and create a walkable community this the comprehensive plan is also consistent with policy fluid one point six point one commercial development the proposed project is consistent as a commercial development is permitted in development that occurs within the PD flew Miss Smith 54 sub area proposes a pedestrian scale network to provide convenient and safe access between the mix of uses the proposed mixed-use development is consistent with policies identified within the Comprehensive Plan enjoyed that Planning development recommends the Board of County Commissioners to find the environment consistent with the Comprehensive Plan and adopt the proposed amendment by roll call vote okay name an address yes sir mr. Oakley ladies and gentlemen my name is Joel two two and associates Palm Harbor Florida and I am Lenny's counsel for the applicant and I am working on this matter with height design as the planning firm and bowler engineering as the civil engineers just a real brief summary to amplify staffs comments it's important to note because it wasn't referenced this is an existing approved project this project was approved in 2012 it was approved in a different format there was a plan amendment and an EM pewdie but that plan amendment significantly had a substantial area of r12 multifamily and then the mixed-use commercial office in the front that existing plan amendment which what we have approved today actually called out probably much to the chagrin of many of you today it called out for fifteen hundred and thirty four apartments the residential entitlement that exists today that can be built today if we don't change the plan category is fifteen hundred and thirty-four apartments so this is a plan amendment that we brought forward hoping you would embrace because we've been listening to what we've heard we're keeping all of the retail and office entitlements so that we can still do the office the employment generating uses in the front we are converting and reducing the residential entitlement all the way from fifteen hundred and thirty-four down to a maximum of seven hundred and then even within that we're limiting the apartments to a cap of four hundred so

we're going to do a single-family detached pod we're going to do a townhouse pod and only one apartment parcel so the apartments are going to be barely 25% of what is approved today it's a good thing about the plan amendment is it locks in those new entitlements if you approve the plan amendment then you are now limiting this property to only the 400 multi-family with the single-family the townhomes and yet you still keep the employment generating uses now we are in the South Market area we're in the urban service area this is exactly the type of project that your plan calls for staff has done a good job of negotiating and updating if you look at the plan amendment the sub area policies actually dictate exactly the form of this development it has to look a certain way the retail and office has to be integrated the residential has to be integrated with trails and sidewalks and connectivity to the community gathering space we are doing a compact development area meaning muhtaram guidelines for that central core and we're integrating all this together so this project in a nutshell gets rid of over a thousand multifamily units that are proved today and can be built today while still preserving for you the employment generating mixed-use concept that that we want in the South Market area it's been recommended for approval by staff it was recommended by your Planning Commission sitting as your local planning agency and went to de ou and came back with no objection no comments and so in our view we urge you to prove the plan amendment will get to the mqd zoning later which simply tracks the new it can it's it conforms to the new plan amendment the same exact entitlements so we have specific design requirements one thing of note is from when this mqd was originally approved in the end of plan area the school board went ahead when this project wasn't developed previously it went ahead and purchased the school site so we have worked out with the school district we are accommodating the access they need we're accommodating the utilities they need and coordinating that with them so our site plan is dovetailed and they've signed off on what we're doing with the plan amendment and the mqd as as keeping them happy that they're in good shape with this future school site which they already own which is right between this project and Long Lake Ranch both are going to be connected with the pedestrian trail and and walkway to get the kids to and from that school without going on 54 so that's where we are I'm going to mention this in advance because you're going to hear it you heard a brief reference that your transmittal hearing to the drainage concerns that the adjacent subdivision has I'm prepared to address that later but the point there is as you well know we're at the entitlement stage today we're simply doing a plan amendment and an impudent ocation to conform to the new plan Ameland my client has reached out to the neighborhood bowler engineering has reached out to them we have told them

that as we now go forward with Swift mud and your County engineering staff on the drainage plans bowler will come out of shret they'll go to the community and do it there they'll do it here with your staff however they want to engage in that drainage plan reviewing permitting process my clients good with that and bowler has already reached out to them and will continue to make that offer so no one is trying to cut anyone out of the process the point is we aren't we aren't to that process yet that process doesn't happen unless and until we get the plan amendment otherwise we have to go engineer site to build fifteen hundred and thirty-four apartments and build what we have so we need the approval to know what it is the project is to be so that they can continue the engineering plans for that new project but we will absolutely reach out and engage them in that process and you all know swift mud is tough they're not going to prove drainage prints plans in this new day at age that they're not happy with and these residents have the right as you know to intervene in that permanent process if they don't think the jobs are being done they can intervene in that so that that's where we are today we request that you approve finally adopt the plan amendment and then of course will address the mqd later but there's really not much there that's different from what I've said thank you we're happy to answer if you want to get into questions we're happy thanks many staff - okay Joe so they're initially 1534 apartments are bringing it down to 400 single-family we're going to have 150 single-family detached maximum and 150 tailback spec originally okay sir 600 so now you're a thousand you're a 1534 apartments how many single family homes previously there was none it was 100% apart apartments well it comes to nobody surprise of my I'm sure it's a spur you're shopped for apartments oh I do like seeing that go down I think it is important to note obviously today you know because the prior approvals that it could be billed with 1534 apartments how that's a lot of apartments yeah that concerns me it's on cloud that's I'm glad that's changing yeah it's like at university that's a good point so I know you're not to the point yet but commercial retail fifty-four frontage yes sir we actually have a concept plan that you will see in the impudent ation they actually have a conceptual layout that's been part of the review you will see that that you'll be very happy that has the retail and the office integrated on the front it has the community gathering area and then it has the apartments back behind that but sharing that community gathering area so you have you have a layer of retail a layer of office the the one apartment parcel is three layers back three layers back later three layers back and then you have a single family pond in the back which Lenore is doing and you have a townhome pot in the back which I believe Lenore is also doing so I mean this thing is pretty

much you're going to get exactly what we're asking you to approve so this isn't kind of like last time where they're just throwing entitlements I mean they have specific contracts to contingent only on this approval for every one of those and the apartment project you're getting is is a luxury highly amenitized market rent from a very quality project we've been peeling away the layers of challenges in the Sierra Pines and I want you to know you're represented by Jesse he's doing it by gusto and so we meet regularly with staff and clients coalition and we will be meeting with all of you again when the time is right when the county has looked at their plans and swiftlet has looked at the plans and they get all their their engineering ducks in a row and then we will meet with the community and we can have more than one meeting if it's necessary well won't do it here we'll do it on our site either somewhere in your community or the county to be comfortable with what's going on there there the county does not allow developments to have adverse effects on neighboring and I'm sure we can talk about the hydrology of ceará Pines and why you have some of the challenges that you do at that meeting I think would be more appropriate but I appreciate that you've downsized this and I'm excited that it's motor on we don't see too many of those and and I'm glad that you're connecting to the neighborhood next you so that they don't have to go out and fit before those are all things that mean we think you're gonna hear from some tier Pines people but anyway I look forward to the community meeting and rest assured you have the ear of your community thank you thank you mr. chairman if I may yeah a reminder to the board p2 is your future land use amendment and it's taking it from as mister to and staff has told you individualized future land use classifications to PD and making limitations on what can be built there this is not the site plan this is the overarching policy of your of your comprehensive plan the the site plan zoning issues are later on in your agenda under the MDA so we know that the residents want to speak to flooding concerns and stormwater concerns are they allowed to speak at both both or what what's a better forum for them to have so both of these are public hearings so but and they can express their desires on in either either one of these my my concern is that p2 is really as I said is the broad overarching land use amendment it is not and it's decreasing in intensity so I'm not sure that drainage concerns would really be relevant to to p2 but they can they are both public hearings and I'm not going to say that they they can't speak to one item or another so this is we have people signed up for a p2 and our clerk will read out the names and if you line up behind and once you come to the podium to speak please state your name and your address for the clerk right the first person signed up for p2 is Jess is it's temping

hello I'm Jessica stem peon I live at 11:02 Wildwood Lane I grew up on wood field core and we wanted to come voice our concerns and go on record today I am here on behalf of our Sierra pines Coalition in which we have been working since 2015 with the county with the Water Management District with the Department of Environmental Protection to work on our stormwater and flooding issues and we've had a lot of success right we got the Sun Coast cleared out we got the sandy Branch tributary canal cleared out we got an exemption for some areas in our neighborhood to do maintenance on but we are highly concerned about this development so we just wanted to go on record with some of those concerns we're concerned that it's going to increase the intensity and the duration of the stormwater events in our neighborhood we're also concerned that the pace model has not been updated and that the Anclote East watershed management plan has not been completed we would like to see resources devoted to that to assist our neighborhood we're also concerned that South and Sandy Ranch tributaries are obstructed and not flowing in some areas we've also noted that there is a discrepancy between the wetland impacts that are shown on the Smith 50 for input plan which is 1.8 and the plans that the Army Corps has sent out to residents which show a 5.1 8 acre wetland being filled in so we're concerned about those discrepancies and we would like those addressed and we just don't want to be a drain on the county resources with the emergency management services division having to react to our storm water and our flooding issues we would really like to work cooperatively with you all like we have been and so we would like to propose for delay or slow you know slowing down of this process so that we can get and have a third party reviewer an engineer and advocate and expert on our side when we sit down with those developers we're just asking for time and transparency into this process now we know that we live in a floodplain but we're just we're just asking that you work cooperatively with us like we have been working with you thank you the next person signed up is Nadine Ferguson following Nadine is Joan riddle hi my name is Nadine Ferguson I live at 17550 cedar with a loop I'm gonna take a little not gonna go about the flooding just yet pull wait for the next session for that but I kind of have an issue in be a good neighbor this proposed build of 1500 apartments which I took as a threat I didn't really appreciate it I'm gonna be frank I'm telling you you're gonna reduce it to 400 which I think as a business still we're all these people gonna Park are you gonna cement over the entire lot including the flood plains I don't understand how this works so I'm saying as a good neighbor the original plan called for conservation land I see none in the current built plan where all these animal is going to go we're used to wildlife where we live we love where we live I'm asking you please don't allow

them to ruin what makes Pasco County so great don't take away what makes us unique we already have in Orlando where they've cemented over everything and honestly I don't want to live it I'm just saying I think they need to be better neighbors if they've reached out to the school district they probably had to they have not reached out to us I am directly adjacent to the villa plan all I've gotten is three letters I've heard from no one I've called their offices they don't seem to know who's in charge of the project nobody can put me in touch with anyone I've had to call County officials I did reach out to you and I do appreciate I was really surprised how quickly he got back to me I really appreciate it that seriously but I would just say be good neighbors don't threaten me with the number of apartments I assume that was approved before the large apartment buildings were built across the street from us I don't think there's a need for 1500 more apartments but if you think you can sell them by all means and in my line if you had 1500 apartments you'd be going upward and you have density and you wouldn't be sprawling this across the entire hundred and sixty-eight acres we might have less of a flooding issue if you did that I don't know I don't like the plans that you have now I don't feel that they have been worked out with us I don't feel there's any conservation land there's nowhere for the animals to go except the roads you know my times up oh I see it now all I have let's balance progress with the way of life that we enjoy be good neighbors that's all thank you John riddle followed by Kevin marks hi my name's Jill riddle I'm a fat one seven five three five well filled court Mr Key has gotten you numerous emails for me in regards to the flooding this is just a quick visual and what we are dealing with to the south we now have all those Hillsborough County schools we have Villa Rosa fern Glen and Heritage Harbor to the north we have the elevated 54 we have Bexley we have Sun Coast metal and we have bad entree to the West which is the direction our water is supposed to flow we have Sun Coast we also now have North Point we also have flight simulator school we also have network to leader who by the way we're called because they were not using the correct engineering plans and we were getting more water now there's another device building going up just past Mettler Toledo and now we have all those apartments right behind us since all of this has happened and miss Starkey knows we have lived through the hundred-year rain event and we had flooding and like just said we know we're in a floodplain and that's okay but that hundred Deer flood that water was gone within three to four days two years ago Erma gave us eight and a half inches of rain our row was under a foot and a half of water for over two weeks we could not get emergency services we could not get mail we could not get trapped mr. Starkey was kind enough after we sent an email that

said look we have Trash Pack piling up for almost a week and a half we have buzzards here this is a health hazard what can we do that's the problem the water is building up it takes more and more water buildup around neighborhood before it closed because the flow is not going west to the south at Sandy branch and as it's supposed to it's being delayed and that elevation is rising so it's taking more water before it flows and because of that now our roads are starting to deteriorate they're starting to crumble it puts everyone in our neighborhood at a safety risk we have many people that rely on visiting nurses hospice and other medical care they can't get there when there's a foot and a half of water on the roads and everyone noses but yet you still allow the last of our green space to the east to be taken up by nothing but concrete and asphalt where is that water going to go it's gonna head out a direction it's going to get higher and we are going to be under more and more water and again like Miss Ferguson said we moved there because we enjoy the wildlife we love seeing and we love the river otters but I don't want anybody else's water thank you thank you thank you up next is Kevin marks followed by great or sorry Wade Broxton my name is Kevin Marx I live at 15:30 Woodfield Court it's southwest area of Sierra Pines the tail end of a lot of the water that comes out of there I've been here tamp area odessa for about 40 years and watch this area grow up here I've been in the Sarah Pines for 20 years and I can see if I area with my daughter at a playhouse now it's under two foot of water and then at 16 years it just accumulates more and more every year my shop is under water now every year from the rains I have issues - users are still concerned with Mettler Toledo coming in there it's made it twice as bad that it has been ever yeah I talked to Swift Mudge guaranteed from Swift mud that everything will be worked out they won't get a CO - everything is fixed nothing ever got fixed it's all changing there's flow of the streams the creek and flooding everything in my area of my house I can't park in my car car in my car area I have to barricade with dirt around there so it doesn't flood in my house it just gets worse every year and I think that we need to fix the issues before we create anymore issues and the County and Swift mud can say whatever they want about 99% of that and he just proposed in one year and out the other anymore because everything they promised has never happened and I'm just tired of living in the water and I don't want anymore that's all I got to say thank you sir Reed Broxton followed by Charles Hoffman good afternoon my name's Wade Broxton I live at 17 420 cedarwood loop I've lived there for 20 years and every year they built something new our house gets more and more water because I live on the creek even through all the floods we could not get hospice in in 2015 for a

lady that was dying dying because everything that they built to the east of us the west of us it keeps flooding us out in the driest times the creep behind my house used to be so dry you could go back there and clean it out and been drying almost two years and its really really getting old having that much water and - mr. - I'd like to know what ghost neighborhood he's talking to because it surely ain't in any of us because I'm right there with Jess and we'd never been contacted by anybody so he there got the wrong number 2 the wrong neighberhood or something because he's sure not talking to us and we would like for him to talk to us if you'd like to get this done but it's just not happening and I'm really concerned about fire vehicles and hospice and everything else I mean maybe y'all could create a storm water sewage for our neighborhood you know drainage to help it get out you know yo y'all gonna have to do something to help us out we built this nice spread for a retirement and now you know if it floods and then we can't bring in dirt that's not right either but that's all I got to say thank you thank you Charles Hoffman followed by Lisa Sloan good afternoon Charles Hoffman I live at 17 34-0 Meadow Brook my property directly backs up to this project my property also has one of the largest drainage ditches that moves from the bay head into the anklet basin along 54 over the years with the rising of 54 also I've lived in Pasco County for over 50 years so I've seen it all but that rising Basin with 54 elevation has stopped to that water flow we have water right now if you drive through the neighborhood which it shouldn't be there so with the water I think everybody's gonna address the same thing the engineering plan that we've seen that has been mailed to us if that's what they're talking about reaching out to us it's not good the residents that we've all lived out here long enough to know that when they try to develop this at this print it's going to fail you're pushing the water on top of us and with that being said the apartment complex I hate I don't want to use any names but don't come in and threaten us with more apartments we know you're already killing our property values County Pasco County doesn't care about our property values and Sarah Pines or Meadowbrook you guys have proven that to us with every development along 54 you've destroyed us thank you we've all planned to live there for retirement and you've basically pushed so many residents out of the Pasco County you sitting here don't realize this talk to your neighbors we talk to our neighbors all the time they want to leave they don't want to pay your taxes anymore they don't want your representation you've failed us as a County if you let this development go through it's going to go through we're gonna have development we understand that but please find the engineering support to make this 165 acres self supportive of its own drain water its own

infrastructure our infrastructure is broken you guys have not helped us fix it the patches that you've put on it is not a fit it's a patch you continue to give us bits and pieces like we're children and you're just killing us you're just gonna lose more taxpayers our property values are going down and you're not gonna help us with that either so these plans that they keep sending out please have swift might have Pasco County make this a better project than what you've done in the past because everything around us right now is horrible so please enforce them to reach out and to have this discussion with us thank you this is Lisa Sloane we have next Shawn Duran followed by Scott Fitzpatrick if you could line up behind this loan please what's your name Shawn hi I'm dr. Lee Sodom and Ellie Sloane and I live at 1:7 135 Gunlock Road with my husband Scott Sloane and family and I work at the Tampa VA where I serve America's veterans with spinal cord injuries I want to commend the board for recognizing a veteran at the beginning of this meeting and I'm glad that I was able to attend to hear that how how fitting that it's on the other side of 4th of July for us to be able to do that together I would like to come to you and ask that you preserve our freedom to work and live where we work and live now and not let it carry any further I'll save my comments in detail on the drain and they echo those of my neighbors but I'm also concerned about congestion and my ability to get to and from work in a timely fashion on an everyday basis and I'm concerned about my ability to get work to work at all serving America's veterans of the James a Haley VA after flooding events and it let me just also state it doesn't take a major hurricane for our neighborhood to flood but after hurricane ARMA which was described earlier and some of its impact I had to call into work and say I'm sorry I cannot drive my vehicle to the hospital I won't be there today I don't like having to do that I like the job that I do and I want to be able to do it when I need to do it I don't want to be trapped in my neighborhood I love my neighborhood but I need to be able to leave my neighborhood we moved to Texas because I brought an 11 million dollar grant to help America's veterans with spinal cord injury go back to work and Tampa and around the nation but it made Tampa the hub of it and Martin family chose Pasco County because we wanted those open spaces those vibrant places with the building of Mettler Toledo and every additional development that has come since then those have deteriorated substantially when I tell people I work out I live off of 54 there's an audible sigh you can see the sympathy in their eyes that you have to travel this road that has become almost unbearable so it's not just flooding it's congest and quality of life that needs to be thought about here - thank you very much thank you followed by Jessica career

good afternoon I thank you for this opportunity to be before you it's an honor to address you today my name is Scott Fitzpatrick I'm with Owens Law Group and I'm at 811 Cypress village Boulevard Ruskin Florida 3 3 573 and I have the honor of representing 68 concerned owners of real property located in Sierra Pines and Meadow Brook estates subdivisions based upon our review of documents and information provided to us by our clients it appears that the proposed development of Cypress Ranch which I will refer to the site at issue here will likely cause our clients to suffer severe economic damages the elevation of Sierra Pines and meadow brook estates is generally lower than that of Cypress Ranch given the natural slope of Cypress ranch Sierra Pines and Meadow Brook estates water runoff drains from Cypress Ranch on - Sierra Pines and Meadow Brook estates additionally our clients have the following concerns 1 the removal of 5 acres of wetlands and Cypress Ranch will reduce storage and impact wildlife - our clients understand that Cypress Ranch is claiming a the soil within Cypress Ranch will infiltrate more water than that which will run off onto adjoining lands and be has a seasonal high water table that is 3 foot or greater if this is the case we would like to see the evidence which supports the same we don't think it is 3 the infrastructure plan does not appear to use an updated model for storm storm water drain drain off 4 there is a discrepancy between the buffer used for this development and Northpoint which is at the end of bridle-path court Cypress Ranch is using a 15 foot buffer between townhomes and and my clients properties and Northpoint has at least a 100 but it's a big difference five the infrastructure plan does not take into account that South Branch and Sandy branch tributaries are obstructed in some areas and not flowing and six the impact of additional storm water and potential flooding could be a public safety issue with flooding roads and limited access in and out of the Sierra pines and Meadow Brook estates neighborhoods upon our belief the proposed Cypress Ranch will alter the natural flow of its runoff into Sierra pines and Meadow Brook estate and cause these damages we are asking you we're begging you to delay taking action in regards to cyphers ranch development until our clients concerns are addressed and their engineers and advocates are given a fair opportunity to weigh in on the development efforts on the Sierra pines and Meadow Brook estates community and I thank you greatly for your time this afternoon behind mr. ear is Scott stone good afternoon hi my name is dr. Jessica Megan Greer I'm an OBGYN in Tampa area just south of Lutz I have some Maps am I allowed to give these to you guys okay so I pardon okay well perfect so my name's dr. Greer I live at 1732 for Raintree I thought my husband and I he's a physician assistant that's currently on call at the hospital hence I have unfun able to come to these

meetings because I've had to take a half day off clinic and actually up called to be here in the middle of the day so I currently bought two Lots make me and my husband 2.5 acres with the hopes of this being my forever home when we bought the Lots there which I marked on the plan for development we were told that there would be a wildlife corridor right behind us and per that prior approved plans we were told that area would be a hundred two hundred and fifty feet with a corridor to protect the wildlife going between the lands we actually attempted to buy the property behind us we wanted to buy a buffer of at least ten acres when we contacted the via real estate agent we were told that it was quote high-dollar land and four apartments and townhomes and he quoted as fifty sorry five hundred thousand dollars an acre and he told us no concerns that the approved project would have at least a hundred to one hundred and fifty feet behind our house our property line which we spent over a half a million dollars on since we have moved in my big concerns we have flooding which I'll talk about later in the p18 section but currently I have received this plan that's from the Army corpse of engineer and you can see our house and my neighbor the kennedys house marked on there and it shows townhomes in my backyard that are two stories and they have been proposed only a 15 feet barrier from my property line to the townhomes this not only impacts the value of my house but also impacts flooding greatly not to mention the wildlife and it's a shame to see Pasco County going to where I understand development needs to happen but you know you guys pride yourself in protecting land and having a wildlife corridor and protecting endangered species that are back there the Florida the Army corpse of engineer have outlined how they're going to remove gopher tortoises indigo snakes and have outlined that it's given to the the residents but they really haven't addressed anything with the flooding concerns and not to mention you know the impact on our land with having 15 feet between our property line and the townhomes so I'm ashamed to say sitting before you today alright mr. Scott Stone followed by Dennis Knight good afternoon my name is Scott Sloane I live at 170 135 Gunlock Road with my wife Lisa who spoke earlier I echo a lot of the sentiments that are have already been presented we bought property as a dream it was a dream of ours and year after year that dream has eroded away because the water that flows into our residences erodes our property it takes away any chance to our whole area is overgrown it's overgrown because we can't take care of stuff anymore the waterways don't move the water simply comes through all the pass into my pond and then it floods because I have no outlet from that point I object to all the plans whichever one that they decide to go with the 1,500 apartments or the other plan the lawyer spoke about earlier I can almost say that long like ranch doesn't need any

reservoir ponds that Villarosa doesn't need any reservoir ponds because that's what we've become it's everybody's reservoir pond thank you there's no end I'm Dennis Sarah Pines development okay so there's anybody else that's wanting to speak please line up is Amanda Grayson lady in the purple nobody else Amanda Grayson signed up okay my name is Dennis kite there's no in in my name guy I live at 172 34 eagle Lane I've been there almost 30 years I've been a resident of Pasco County for 76 years so I guess I'm senior senior resident here today either everybody's talked about the heritage Harbor and all the other things I live on eagle lane which is was affected by Villarosa when I built that we argued about that building and we were told that that's another County they can't do anything about it and since that we used to have flooding but it would go away in a fairly reasonable time but the worst cases that I've seen is in 97-98 when we had the El Nino a bad year up now you know I had four to five inches of water running through my yard out of Villa Rosa because they have retention ponds and bay heads there and again an Oh 405 same problem we had water running through our yards going to the road Eagle Lane was covered in water the ditches were full and there was no movement because they're just a little down at the end of Eagle Lane there's just a little bit of space for the water to drain out so it just backs up it just moves too slowly also during that time I've killed two moccasins during the El Nino and the hurricane so it's it's kind of a dangerous situation to be try to walk out and get your mail and there's moccasins by your gait so it's just something I'm I know you're probably going to move forward but it's gonna be the same scenario that I experienced it at Villa Rosa we'll just be flooded out once again and I'll leave these thoughts with you thank you hi I'm Diane Konitz I live at 170 304 Chinaberry Road lutz i want to say that i'm part of the coalition we started it Jess and I and some other members in 2015 after the 30 days of rain and July that flooded us all out we have progressively met with Commissioner Starkey and Pasco County stormwater and they have been wonderful working for us we actually overwhelmed the storm water quarterly meetings to where they gave us our own meeting with the county and they have regularly met with us and we've accomplished a lot I'm just a layman I don't understand a lot of what you're talking about I'm sure a lot of our people in the neighborhood don't other than the hardships that they're experiencing and their land values are going down what I'm hearing from this meeting today is my on to buy property since 2009 I moved there in Sierre Pines 2010 2012 for 1500 count apartments to go in nobody notified me of that how did that land group use be approved back in 2012 now they're saying they want to downsize which sounds wonderful to us but we are

not notified we don't have easements in our county we don't have ditches we don't have swales were an old neighborhood and had I known that when I brought my property to move to Pasco County to move into a natural wildlife environment I probably wouldn't have bought my property I like living in Pasco County and I'm doing everything I can along with just that dedicates a whole ton of her time to do this for our community we've had community meetings that Wade Braxton's house and the momentum just keeps going forward I hear the frustrations of our neighbors constantly and they're really really concerned about this new development I know that you're probably going to pass this land-use development idea but I don't know where that takes us as far as your approval with the land use doesn't necessarily mean that you're going to grant permitting to build for the because of the stormwater is that what I'm understanding ok well that's kind of things that I want to reiterate is that our hands are kind of tied if it's already been approved for 15,000 apartments you know 1500 ok 1500 well that's a lot better but still it's it's still a big impact on our community to take away from what we're trying to lift in an ideal situation and to be able to drive out of our neighborhood to get emergency vehicles in and we're willing to work with the county the Coalition has you know proved that already thank you good afternoon commissioners my name is Patrick Kennedy I am at 173 2-0 raintree Road I am doctor whose neighbor and we back up directly behind the picture that she provided to you our property backs right up to that and between our two properties the townhomes the 150 townhomes that are there are within 15 feet of our property line so I wanted to speak I understand this item too has to do with the Lark the bigger picture and we can address the water issues and later my biggest concerns are the definition and value of our property especially the two of us and privacy my wife and I moved up four years ago from st. Petersburg to have some land to raise our five children and the gentleman that sold the house to is sold to us because we had children that we wanted to raise there and he wanted to maintain that he had a higher bid from someone else but chose to sell to us because we had a children that he had raised his children there our home was built in the 79 and with townhomes directly behind us that are two storeys proposed two stories I presume the regardless of whether has a six-foot fence which a tami responded to my wife and said there will be a six-foot privacy fence well if you can imagine a two-story building looking over a six-foot privacy fence they get to watch my kids grow up probably just as much as I do so our property and I don't know who's living there and people can move in we scouted out the property and make sure it was a safe neighborhood before we moved in that we'll get to watch and see

what happens with them and so understanding the bigger picture for us it's our property values I think mr. Hoffman was the one who mentioned it earlier if I've got somebody looking into my backyard my home value the one major comment that anyone that comes to my home says is the view is amazing with the 15 foot setback I've got no view and I've got a fence there that my kids get to stare at so our property value will go down and it'll be harder for us to sell that property if we decide to move because of this being built I'm not ignorant to the fact that development is going to happen that there's a private landowner they can do with this property what he chooses to what we're asking is to review this that we would like the same setback that everyone else to the north of us that is receiving which is well over 100 feet because of the green space and the retention ponds thank you for your time mr. Kennedy um could we get your actress for the record I don't know about that I did one seven three two zero range thank you thank you hi my name is Amanda Grayson I live on 17 360 Riverstone Drive with my husband and children we purchased the the land before having children knowing that we were going to enjoy our two acres and be able to grow gardens and and the fruit trees and let our children that we would have one day grow up on it and with our land we're on backs up right to one of the Cypress heads on the adjoining property and it floods when it rains and it goes through our property and we're just concerned that more water is going to rush through and it's going to disturb our garden that we're trying to sustain and grow our children aren't on and our fruit trees to help provide you know cut costs with the grocery I'm a fourth generation Lutz which I'm proud to say there's not many people that get to say them and we're just you know we want to enjoy where we live and it's the battles like these that make it difficult we didn't move out here to for apartments and for townhomes which they built right across from 54 on us and I just thank you for you listening to our concerns now what was your dress what street 17 360 River stone that's an English my name is Jose Diaz I live at one five six five wildwood lane in lutz florida in the sierra pine subdivision my property is the property that backs up directly to South Branch Creek the main part of the creek where most of the water in the neighborhood runs through and I want to talk to you today I'll do it quickly about something called the law of unintended consequences which we know that if they build this large subdivision okay we are going to get unintended consequences no matter how great their engineers are I work in an engineering field myself and I know about this about five or seven years ago when we had a large flooding event the county came out and dug ditches along the side of the property and put papers to redirect some of the floodwater that was standing to the South Branch please behind my property

okay when I moved into this property the ditch was three feet deep and it had a nice little wooden bridge that the previous owner had built over it and that was the little bridge in the creek that my wife fell in love with and that's the reason we bought the property okay now that this culvert has been putting in these ditches Aminta down by the county the extra water that's been fed to the ditch has caused so much soil erosion in a ditch that the trees on both sides of the dish are getting ready to topple okay that is unintended consequences our neighborhood will though was design and build but 30 years ago the force the subdivisions to the south of us in the subdivision heritage Harbor and before those subdivisions were built okay now it so much water has been channel extra water has been channeled to our subdivision okay that FEMA has updated their flood rate Maps okay and has created a zone AE okay just for the flooding that happens in our neighborhood okay that's unintended consequences that's not all that natural when you're talking about you know in the span of just twenty years and with this subdivision and with this development you're gonna get the same thing unintended consequences you can only move water so fast you can only move water so retain so much water when you take a land that percolates in dreams and you pave it and you build on it okay the water's got to go somewhere and in water as we know it finds its own level and flows the path of least resistance guess where that is that's all that's all I wanted to say thank you does anyone else here won't speak this is puppeteering stop seeing anyone excuse me state your name and address for the clerk my name is John herring I have a residence at 172 55 raintree Lane I grew up in Sierra times now I presently live in Meadow Brook part time in 1973 when my family moved there I believe we were the third or fourth family to move in Sierra times May 1976 was the first flood ever since then every flood is worse that takes longer and properties that were never flooded before are now presently flooded I have seen this since I was only 8 when I drew who moved there and now I'm 54 and my concern is that the development is over developed without proper planning that's all right yes please everybody lined up so if you know if there's anyone else and we need some solutions we just hang up right now didn't cut it my name is Denise singleton I live at one seven nine one six eagle lane sorry I'm don't like to do this we bought the property we live on eagle lane we backup we literally are on the county line and when we bought the property it was all cow pasture behind us there was no Villa Rosa del Mabry was two lanes all the way up to 52 from Carrollwood it's like burn you that pass anybody 54 was two lanes we bought the property like I said December of 1980 we

turned the well on my 21st birthday and I'm 59 and we have seen so much change and we now have flood on maps I'm a realtor and we have flood zone on our property now that was never considered flood zone before now the back part of our property is considered flood with the new flood maps and it's because of Villa Rosa we fought that and we were promised that that was not going to affect us our neighbors up and down Eagle Lane were Villa Rosa put retention ponds in there for looks they don't do anything to let the water flow to the south like it used to before it was there so that was the beginning of it de la Rosa was the beginning of the flooding for us and Santos Parkway veterans expressway there were widening and raising of 54 Meadowbrook was level you used to drive straight out onto 54 now you have to go uphill to get out of our neighborhood because 54 is built up so high and just like everything everybody else has said everything around us has made us the retention pond or the bowl that holds all the water and it's just continues to get worse we've been out there through all the Hurricanes all the everything my oldest son will be 34 next month and we were living there when hurricane Elena came through and sat and you know the bank we during a hurricane Elena where it does that rained I was stuck in the hospital from Thursday to Monday because everything was shut down our back yard did not flood the way it floods right now and that was you know with a hurricane sitting on top of Tampa for days again it just continuously gets worse with all the building and development around us everybody sits up higher than us and the water has no place to go and it is it's ruining our property values I have pictures of my front yard with water and you can't even see a street from one end eating down to the curve it's just under water it looks like a big lake you can't see the other streets I mean there's just I have documentation of just roads that don't even look like rows it looks like we live in lakes and you know you see a stop sign and just nothing but tons of water sitting everywhere Thank You Man hi my name is Brittany Broxson and I live out 174 2-0 cu2 would loop you've already heard from my dad and he talked about the whole drainage issue in the water I am NOT a environmental science or an engineering major where I go to school at Florida International University however I am an English major but this meeting is supposed to be talking about the bigger picture in the overall plan of the apartments I'm a sophomore while I will be a sophomore at FIU come August and I left for Miami in August of 2018 I was gone for nine months when I came home in May I didn't recognize the town that I grew up in I grew up in Pasco County for the full 19 years of my life I lived at 174 2-0 cedar wood loop for 17 years of it in coming home and not recognizing it and feeling like I was back down in Miami that was sad I loved the beautiful area that was Pasco County and every day that I drive to church and I go down 54 to

little road and there's 18 hundred more homes up already there's no need to build more especially not 15 feet from our neighborhood when all the rest of them get sore then you can start talking about building more homes it's not a lack of parent planning it's just a lack of caring about the original people who have started Pasco County and when I returned home in here that half my neighborhood wants to leave that's sad because that makes me want to leave too that makes me want to leave and move down to the arty industrialized city in which I go to college not return home to this new industrialized city that used to be beautiful that used to be full of wildlife and green acres now it's just cement blocks and cookie cutter homes the bigger picture of it is is that you're trying to turn it into a city that it's not supposed to be if you're gonna talk about conservation of wildlife you're not you're not preaching what you're talking and I can tell you that right now cuz every time I leave my neighborhood there's a dead animal Street there's animals in our backyard our yard lines the creek every summer we have to worry about water moccasins deer rabid animals coming after our animals and that's sad so why are you trying to push more of that wildlife into our neighborhood and onto the roads because that's not conservation and that's not conservation of the beautiful Pasco County that we used to live in my name is Nathan Harry we don't you're not allowed to do the applause in here my name is Nathan Haring I own unfinished investment property at 175 for 0c of wood loop I also live in the neighborhood with my wife at one 76530 every quarter the unfinished house it's a two-story solid concrete house it sits about four feet off the ground there's a one acre of wetlands in front of property there's actually a driveway through the wetlands and then behind my property is the 160 acre pasture now they're gonna raise that pasture up five feet bring in a ton of fill and that water is gonna flow if you look at their zone or their drainage plans while the water flows from their retention ponds into wetland F which flows right across the front of my property I was in the process of trying to bring this property back to life and the county very quickly told me to rip off the SHA the trusses the roof bring it back down to concrete block when I asked him why they would go silent they wouldn't return my phone calls I got tons of phone calls emails trying to get answer on why I had to rip off the trusses when nobody would look at it I had to reach out to Starkey to get the County respond now they're saying demo the entire structure choose for a concrete block one seven five four zero cedar wood loop if you look at the map my property's gonna be completely flooded and I feel that I've talked to tons of engineers contractors framers even past county inspectors and no one can understand why the building official is wanting me to demo this house the building official told me to talk to

somebody that actually knows the building code so I went to the people that write the Florida Thornton code and they agreed with me they said they've sent me letters and the building officials still say is I need to take on the house and I feel that it's my property is gonna be completely flooded because I already have what leans in front the back is are a little wet and I'm just extremely concerned with all you know the unethical practices that this development sorry breaking thank you so mr. chair mr. chairman ICS mr. Rosenthal is going to talk to this gentleman in represent the Building Code he's assistant county administrator in charge of that department commissioner I just like to say that I review these types of cases with the bill and official and in this particular case the only official think that there was a mole present and then the the roof has been there for a number of years so she wants an engineer's report for the structure itself and for the roof but we think we can work those things out okay some talk to the general what about the driveway through the wetland do we the applicant want to come back up let's see let's have staff and then the applicant please mr. chairman I get a couple questions okay okay good yeah just ask mr. to my other okay speak on those two so the reference to the buffering you know we obviously have a lot of these cases on a regular basis and work towards compromise when it comes to buffering at times mr. chairman not to interrupt the Commissioner but the buffering wouldn't be part of the comprehensive plan and I know it was brought up so I want to get a couple answers now I apologize but I know we'll get to that too but what is the proposed buffering 15 feet at this time like the resident stated with Joe you might answer you can't talk to me yes mr. Moore the land development code for the adjacent residential uses your code says 10-foot minimum between residential uses we propose 15 feet and I don't know if you have that concept plan but there is only one small section of this entire subdivision where we have any proposed development adjacent I understand there are two homes there adjacent but there are 20 homes in that subdivision that have nothing adjacent to them the short answer is when we get to the EM pewdie we are offering more than your code requires and certainly we would look at enhanced whether they want to berm or as we've done in recent imputes they want to burn if they want trees on the berm if they prefer that or a fence we're happy to work out the treat in that area but we are we are providing more than the code requires and I guess the other point is they're going to have some low-rise fee-simple townhomes there now under the current plan they could have had four or five storey apartments adjacent to the community so it's clearly I understand they don't want anything next to them I get that part but this is much less than what is already approved adjacent to them yeah so and I appreciate that I guess we can wait to get to that point but just think

it over you know again you know we do come to compromises play often up here absolutely we understand there may be a situation where we could look at increasing that buffering for those where where we are happy to increase the treatment in the buffer area to make it to make it work better that we'll talk about okay so mr. chairman if I may and we have the staff summary then African rebuttal then the Commission can ask their questions of either either team they they need to eat so that we stay on the procedural I need to ask staff three or four more questions okay in essence the applicant is seeking a logical comprehensive plan amendment to change the future land use designation from rest well but um calm off and con CPD to create a flexible mix these projects that will encourage opportunities for different types of housing community opping and recreation on roughly one hundred and sixty four point eight acres with approximately ninety 7.4 it's about local located in the south side of State Road 54 approximately 2,000 feet east of Meadow Brook Drive we also do have the sub area policy that we can review if that is something that the board would like to as well continue on if that's what staff has yep thank you so going back to some of the statements that are made before so 2012 is when this originally was sown for res well correct yes the Charro's PTO's planning Devon no it's all good there's a number of future land uses like on the site so prior to 2012 there any entitlements for this property it was just so it like a are there were likely entitlements on the property so we know this is work I do not know the more about my dad well I know that's what they have I'm trying the current application is different from the 2012 application so it's a completely different matter but it uh I don't know off the top of my head what was their previous to the res 12 and the other future land-use categories that exist today prior to that it was like me I'm just asking cuz it was brought up by a few people of how you know they moved out for a certain time so I just wondered if some of this there was already residential zoning even prior to 2000 as well there may that I don't know so that's why the surrounding the surrounding categories are res 3 so so this is likely it was likely it was it was probably residential campus okay part of part of what the issues are coming up about flooding and FEMA maps have changed actually finding maps were put in place in 2014 it's a new FEMA massive FEMA maps prior to that day because I was chairman of swift mud at the time of 2005 to 10 and 11 and we were working on renewing the FEMA map in for Pasco County and that came into place around 2014 but I couldn't tell you the FEMA maps for that time were not very good they had things at different levels and there was some flooding happening so they they went through a process of correcting that and the correction came in 2014 so if you move there before them you were under a

different look than you are after that period so the levels change for our salvation so on October the 23rd of 2012 the bcc approved a rezoning from the original zoning district of AC agricultural to MPD master plan thank you okay all right we have a force I want to there's a lot more I want to say a lot more I want staff to say especially the staff when working on Ciera clients coalition but I don't think this is the place for this is this is not the time and place for that this was fair for this so this is a reduction in the amount of use on this property and in the landowner has property rights we've heard you will hear you again I'm sure and we will work with you but I'm gonna mr. chairman I don't know I don't know whether the applicant wishes to have rebuttal [Music] further record the applicant has no rebuttal on the planet thank you thank you second discussion please wrote our discussion rages I haven't had any discussion yet so I wanted them jump ring what concerns me with both of these items coming back to back there's a recommendation for approval here when I look at the following out and come up on P 12 that's on consent now I know Commissioner Moore mr. stark even studied studying these flooding issues just like I have all over northwestern Pasco as well how its get to this point and especially beyond consent I don't know if we've done our due diligence what's going on that when the next one comes up because otherwise I can have staff come up tell you what you've been doing but it's not relevant or this one this is just this is the right time district to Commissioner Mike District three Commissioner Starkey I District four Commissioner Wells our district five Commissioner Mariano named district one chairman oakley ip3 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on May 10th 2019 item P 3 of era Commons Planning and Development identi three PDT 1909 84 Steve Powell 1913 2025 comprehensive plan tax amendment this is a staff initiated comprehensive plan tax amendment and I will begin by reading the ordinance I'll as I seize the adoption hearing an ordinance amending the Pasco County comprehensive plan providing for a text amendments objective fluid 1.1 principles for growth management and a text amendment to policy flew one point four point four residential compatibility buffer standards between residential non-residential land uses providing for repeal or severability an effective date the Pasco County Planning and Development Department formerly known as the growth management department in Pasco County Board of County Commissioners collectively have always interpreted policy fluid 1.1 and policy flew 1.4 as follows as an intent for the county to pursue a vision for the future growth and development of the county and preserves the enhances the quality of communities the county has never interpreted abductive flew 1.1 as

intending to preserve or enhance property values in some what planning and development is doing is that because of other parties have recently interpreted affectively 1.1.1 as intending to preserve board hands property values and have interpretive flute property flew one point four point four being self-executing therefore the Planning and Development Department is recommending set policy and effective to be amended to clarify the county's long-standing interpretations of such abduction policy so we just had a staff initially comprehensive plan a minute just to interpret these objectives in a better way the following language has been removed as the intent of the counties to pursue a vision for the future growth and development that preserves and enhances the quality of its communities the county has never interpreted abducted flew 1.1 with wine and tending to preserve or enhance property values the following language has been removed as a policies intended to require future Land Settlement Code amendments to establish an Atlantic land development code better standards between residential and non-residential land uses from certain sensory intrusions identified in said policy the county has never interpreted policy fluo bond points 4.4 to be self-executing primarily because the comp plan does not contain objective standards of correct or criteria for the protection of residential uses from sensory and Struzan in with that we recommend the Board of County Commissioners find the environment consistent with the Comprehensive Plan and adopt the proposed amendment a roll call vote [Music] I have no one signed up coming forward let me ask the question I might be out of place here but that's wait oh we got some high country pardon is it on p3 it's on this which is this p3 yes um sorry your name and address for the rest are just dr. Jessica Grier a 17-3 two for Raintree Road Lutz Florida three three five five eight is this talking about a sensory intrusion such as in speaking to our backyard with the town hosts the townhouses 15 feet is that what they're striking from the from this is that what I'm interpreting mr. chairman Lucario's PTO's was Planning development department she's referring to policy flew 144 and that in that policy is referring to adjacent non-residential land uses so it's not referring to any residential land uses does this deal with our problem with the car dealerships and seventy-five feet and is that gonna be covered in this this particular amendment was not necessarily relate to that issue all right okay miss cherry yes sir question eight in Denise Hernandez I just a nice a question because I just want to deal with a specific situation which can be around the county if a person owns property abutting each other and it could be residential to commercial commercial to residential etc will this give us flexibility in that if it's one

property owned around that they can determine whether they're going to be intruded upon through their own use as long as they own the properties so it all this does is it just it doesn't change the really the policy the policy remains the same it's just it still protects from century sensory intrusions I'm not is there maybe a little bit more specific well here is my concern let's say they own full pieces of property because it's the parcel I was talking with you earlier and I own two people two parcels at a residential residential I know in commercial commercial if I'm the one property owner can I say to the county look I don't need you to protect me against myself oh okay I understand I apologize I the situation yeah that's a little bit different it's not this policy has nothing to do with what we were talking about yesterday having to do with a her a piece of a person who owns four pieces of property and really is just developing a commercial on one of his or her pieces and the other pieces remain residential what you were explaining was buffering between the parcels I has nothing to do with this policy nothing Lou no thank you thank you it was close I don't think it was closed hello my name is Jennifer Robertson one seven two four five Riverstone dr lutz florida three three five five eight I don't see the young lady that has the baby I think she's left because of the baby but her property that would be affected by this hers is gonna back directly to the parking lots not the same item and it's and it's residential to residential it's not residential to non-residential hers is gonna be residential to non-residential okay I've got a motion in a second by roll call vote on p3 district to Commissioner Moore district three commissioners Turkey hi District four Commissioner Wells District five Commissioner Mariano district one chairman Oakley i motion for p4 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on May 24th 2019 may 28 31st 2019 June 7th 2009 and June 14th 2019 good afternoon I'm Jeffrey Jenkins with Planning and Development item P 4 is an ordinance establishing the Mitchell Ranch Community Development District pursuant to chapter 190 of the Florida Statutes providing for authority and power of the district providing for powers and duties of the district providing for the Board of Supervisors of the district providing for the district budget providing for functions of the district providing for miscellaneous provisions providing for an effective date when our homes LLC has submitted the petition establishing the CDD to be known as mitchell ranch CDD here's the location at little Road and State Road 54 the CDD is located within a portion of the Mitchell ranch master plan development and is approximately two hundred twenty six point seven for two acres the CDD will contain approximately six hundred and sixty-one single-family residential dwelling units that we'll be assessed for the petition

and plenty of developments recommendation is to adopt the ordinance to establish the CDD good afternoon kevan reoli with strength uber Miller 401 East Jackson Street Tampa Florida we actually weren't planning on presenting today the CDD complies with all the sand thank you sir I have no one signed up from public on this item is there anyone in the house would like to speak to the side of Cena's in my district I will move to fruit I have a motion a second this is roll call Commissioner Moore I district 3 Commissioner Starkey I district 4 commissioner wells Oh district 5 Commissioner Mariano by district 1 chairman Oakley I fast mr. Chairman I wanted to ask the county attorney a question do we do we have to vote on C disease is that something that's that can improve is that statute statutory wouldn't your adopting an ordinance you have to adopt an ordinance to create to establish the CDD and that can't be delegated p5 is published in the Tampa Bay Times June 10th 2019 PDT 1910 69 is a small-scale comprehensive plan amendment in the name of C past eighteen and three Sierra Oak stead tract for this is the adoption hearing so I'm gonna read the ordinance title and to you record an ordinance amending the Pasco County comprehensive plan providing for small-scale comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use maps map to - 15 and sheets 20 changing from rests or Evo's identity tolling names per gross acre sakam commercial on approximately three point six to nine acres of real property located on the northeast side of State Road 54 approximately one quarter mile east of Oakside Boulevard providing for a repeal or severability in an effective date ends on June 28 2009 teen the Planning Commission acting as a local planning agency had a public hearing on the proposed covering supplant amendment see past 1803 and he amnesty recommended approval to the Board of County Commissioners the subject property is located on the northeast side of State Road 54 approximately 1/4 mile east of Oakside Boulevard here is an aerial view of the subject property on the north south and west there is a rest three and on the east sides rustics as you can see surrounded by wetlands in by established MPD's the riposte flow is calm commercial as you can see in the inset map due to the location of the subject property located on the major east-west arterial highway and also line within a close proximity to the sunkissed Parkway in highway for you US highway 41 commercial isn't appropriate flew for the subject property the column designation will allow the subject property flexibility given sighs and geographical site constraints that surround the property and with that pending development recommends approval to the Board of County Commissioners and to finding it amendment consistent with the Comprehensive Plan and to adopt the proposed amendment by roll call vote

thank you and let me know if you have any questions mr. chairman Clark hobby hobby and hobby PA 109 or Thresh Street Tampa Florida where fun with staffs recommendation of approval this is the sierras last partial that's with in oak stead and was previously a support commercial site anyway the NPD expired so we have to do a small-scale land use amendment and then a rezoning is see to that will be here in a month or two so appreciate your support I'm trying to remember it's like a it's it's not on the site it's adjacent to it's like a Verizon technical support building that it's like that's some technical or computer equipment and that's it district to Commissioner Moore district 3 Commissioner Starkey I but there might be discrepancy here it's district 2 and it says district 4 it's not it's 54 we have to see its and he's district 4 Oh sorry this is this is the okk extent prophecy oaks Ted wells District for commissioner Wells District five Commissioner Mariana district 1 chairman Oakley B stairs p6 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on May 5th 2018 in May 10th 2019 good afternoon and laganja Laporte with planning and development we're here for the second and adoption hearing for the temporary moratorium ordinance for self storage of mini warehouse I wanted to make mention that I did give the clerk a new agenda memo that just has a summary of the changes that was done to the ordinance based on the your directive from last borden hearing and I think that was also passed out to you so I just wanted to bring that to your attention it wasn't in your original packet since this is an adoption hearing I will read the title an ordinance by the Pasco County Board of County Commissioners establishing a temporary 180 daeboreum on the submission and acceptance of applications not previously submitted through the pre application process prior to the May 7th 2019 Pasco County Commission agenda online posting of the introduction of this proposed ordinance for plan development comprehensive plan amendments rezoning preliminary site plans and preliminary development plans for the use of land for mini warehouse and self storage facilities is specifically identified in the application on may 7th 2019 this proposed ordinance was introduced to the Board of County Commissioners at that hearing the Board of County Commissioners directed the planning and development department to conduct subsequent public hearings on this proposed ordinance on May 23rd 2019 during the local planning agency public hearing the LPA found the proposed ordinance to be inconsistent with the comprehensive plan with no specific policy cited the proposed ordinance was continued from the bcc hearing on the 4th to the june 19th 2019 hearing and new port richey sorry based on the directive of the Board of County Commissioners at the June 19th hearing the following are changes to the ordinance as presented today for a roll call vote while the maximum duration of

this moratorium is a hundred and eighty days this moratorium shall not exceed 120 days unless approved by the BCC by a majority vote to extend to the full 180 day maximum duration the moratorium shall not apply to stand-alone recreational vehicles and/or boat storage facilities the geographic applicability of this moratorium shall be the area of the State Road 54:56 corridor as depicted in Exhibit A of the ordinance and I have a slide on that following this the moratorium clarified the language for exceptions to include where many warehouse or self storage facilities were specifically listed as a permitted use in the special exception MPD conditions rezoning conditions plan development sub area policies or land use equivalency matrices before I get to the revised applicability we did go to the examples that Commissioner Moore cited at our previous hearing to understand those dimensions and where the location of those parcels are so this was one this is the store sentiment center of Wesley Chapel this is the Morningstar sort storage off of route 56 both of these the parcels were about 500 feet from the right-of-way of either 54 or 56 so as part of our exhibit we've again modified the applicability of the moratorium to include the entirety of 54 56 corridor with a hundred words a 660 foot buffer from the right-of-way as depicted on the map here the new proposed timeline is that in August we would have continued stakeholder meetings and work with the ordinance development team to finalize the standards for the new ordinance on the self-you self-storage facilities in October we would come before the LPA and PC and in November we come before you again thank you so I do appreciate the teams and staff listen to all the commissioners concerns and you know obviously you roll that all into the revised Hornets I'm very appreciative that I to me this works I say personally you know this obviously my concerns were along that corridor again I'm talking about compromise at times and looking at the setbacks and I feel that's definitely would be it's applicable for this situation because it still allows people to move forward with these it just need to have that buffering and along our corridors and save those for job creating sites so and I know Commissioner wells which are very honored in happy Paul commissioners have their own concerns it looks like they were all included in there I know you had the concerns of us at 19 so that was pulled out 52 was pulled off so I think we got to a good place here I mean I know we still need to have public comment but I'm very supportive of this and and I agree thanks for our tweaking this a little bit and I just want to remind our development community this doesn't mean we're not going to allow storage units but there will be some tweaks on how they they fit on these properties because and while it was said to me well do you realize that my property taxes of storage facilities would wait the issue it is that they don't provide any jobs and the state

growth state will 54 is our jobs poor door and it's brilliant 14 56 that we we preserve the ability to bring those businesses that provide more than two jobs to to the county so that our residents can live work and play it or not have to drive to other counties for employment so I'm glad that we have the foresight to do this I like I'm glad also William limit to 120 days and get to work and and so that's gonna be okay mr. chairman yes and I think staff that has done a great job of this as well I just want to make sure on the map line it's everywhere it's the dark line is 54:56 all right we're good I don't think it's going back just to the map yeah perfect so we were ever that all the dark lines connected all the way through a little bit okay yes so you see that where the colors are accentuated that's the six hundred and sixty foot buffer and it's along the entirety of the corridor 54 to 56 from us 19 all the way to where it ends in Zephyrhills 301 we were close to 301 it doesn't reach its 98 on the southern portion of 56 and there's a lane that right before the city line yeah I'm sorry I'm sorry mr. chairman if I can have the board's indulgence in Section five the hundred and twenty days I just want to get some clarifying language in there because I wanted to make it clear that's I just asked mr. goldstein the intent is that it would not have to go back through the ordinance amendment process to get that additional 60 days so if that language that's been added states approved by the Board of County Commissioners at a public meeting by majority vote to extend to the full I think it makes it clear that that's their just they'll just bring it back to you at a regularly scheduled board meeting and ask you if they can have the additional 60 days hopefully we don't even get to that but I just want to make the restate my motion to add to include the added language from the kind of covers almost okay district to Commission district three Commissioner Starkey I District four commissioner well may District five Commissioner Mariano district one chairman Oakley I advance with all the p7 p7 was published in the template times May 24 2015 and commissioners Denis Fernandes p7 SPD d 19 Cu 35 its conditional use in the name of David W and Tracy and Russ bras mus for a paintball field and archery range in an AC district the applicant has withdrawn has that there the applicants have withdrawn their application so there's no further action required by the board at this time it was not no this is way way north east Pasco item P PA does PDD 19 111 'large scale comprehensive plan amendment CP al 1904 this is a request for continuance the August 6 2019 Board of County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 and Dade City p 9 was published in the template times on March 15 2019 p 9 SPD d 1973 51 it's a zoning amendment Grand Oaks and PUD this comes to you with a recommendation of continuance actually the applicant is requested a continue to the August 6 2019 Board of County

committee my recommendation to you is you pull P 12 off of consent and that would leave P 11 as the only you might as well take a motion on thank you B 12 P 12 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on April 26 2009 teen good afternoon Tammy Snyder's current planning Smith 54 and PUD PVD 1973 94 okay I'll just breeze through these you've already seen these the other location man Tammi you may want to pick your mic up a little business better this thing needs new batteries I think it's alright proposed to the rezoning request from an MPD master Planned Unit development to an MP UD master plan unit development to decrease residential entitlements from 1598 to 700 attached detached and multi-family and add an additional 10 hotel rooms for a total of 130 hotel rooms on approximately one hundred sixty four point eight acres the applicant is also seeking a corresponding comprehensive plan amendment C pal 1906 for changing the future land use from res 12 conservation commercial and office to PD planned development and presently the subject site is unimproved the surrounding zoning districts existing land uses future land uses it's located in the South Market and urban service areas and the applicant is requesting a variation from land development code section 907 point one point three point two on site parking to allow a reduction in the size of the parking styles for the multi-family the applicant is also requesting a variation from LDC section 901 point one point F point three on-site parking to allow a reduction in the number of required parking spaces as there is a bus stop close by there's additional parking in the mixed use area and within the project and the project is also designed for walkability the applicant developer is requesting a variation from ELISA section 905 point one neighborhood parks tool our reduction in the required Park amount within the multi-family portion only as a proposed fitness style amenities and the area shall be connected to sidewalks and trails that will provide access to additional community gathering socializing recreational areas within the mixed use areas the applicant is requesting a variation from the LDC section 901 point 3.0 requirements for turning lanes to allow a reduction in the length of the required turn lanes at the intersection of State Road 54 and Ballantrae Boulevard and the proposed request is consistent with the Pasco County LDC chapter for hundreds of section 402 point two zoning amendment MPD master plan unit development and with the applicable provisions of the Pasco County Comprehensive Plan and ppb recommends approval of the rezoning request with conditions in Commissioner Mariano if I may speak to your question previously why was this when on consent I believe the citizens received a letter about the infrastructure plans that are currently in under review and that is what garnered all the excitement there's there's currently infrastructure plans in all right

I couldn't determine that yes all right so would you mr. Bosley put that picture off I asked mr. bells to put up a picture of what the flooding shows in the area so the Suncoast parkways on the left side the center part of the whole map where it says the three A's it together in the e it shows there when it shows all the flooding down below into the sides now I know you got a lot of exceptions that your conditions you're looking to put in here they're gonna kind of minimize some of the effect but somehow we've got to control a lot of water in there over the years and then I know Commissioner Morris effects dark I know you've been down there working on this these issues for quite a bit when I look at areas like timber Oaks we put a base in a special concern in place for that development and I will say one of my items I meant to do one committee reported it was actually to make a motion that we actually have staff go find a way to pull it back with all the improvements from in that area but when I see the areas of Holliday Hills ironbark ray birch timber Oaks Jasmine lakes Thousand Oaks that have issues with flooding this is a time to address this before the sand comes further with all this exception that's one clearly this shouldn't have been on I mean I don't know how it got to consent I really don't know but but I'm gonna say with what we know of flooding right down below this I don't know why staff wouldn't have looked it's a lot closer knowing those flood maps that are there I mean if that's not part of staff concerns it needs to be for the future so this is the M people need that those are handled at the site it's a long part of the process we are looking at them right now those are the infrastructure plans this Tammy was referring to but the the process currently is that the mqd is coming before the board to reestablish entitlements that are lower than what was previously approved so there's a does the general reduction in ten cities is it plays an important role in the review of the infrastructure plans coming in now with you well I want to look at what's coming up in these conditions that you want to put in there as well I'm just wondering if giving up those concessions right now is with the appropriate time to do that or should we not so just to clarify the site planning that typically has conditions of its own involved these are just conditions associated with mqd but if I'm going to look at the MT UD and how this development is going to come in and how it's going to be retaining water you know we put sometimes if we made people go to the stronger concerns with swift swift what has in place for rules and put in stronger concerns I'm thinking this is probably a good property go take a look at doing that especially from what I'm hearing the year after year and I know the years I've been working with this downsizing the use of the property that's a good thing you're reducing me very values and the anticipation the amount of various coverage without ever

having come to us so it's better to have less on it and then deal then continue to deal with issues but let's start with less intensity on the property because if we do nothing they can put more on there if they weren't a reduction without those other conditions and that's fine but not coming down further conditions the next the conditions are just unannounced well but those all know if I read them right those were all reducing the amount of impervious coverage we're reducing the amount of parking required reducing the size of the stalls so you're actually reducing the amount of impervious coverage that we would require on the site with those variances which actually reduces your impact of the stormwater system if you want to separate the reductions first and then go look at that later because what you're doing when you shrink that up actually allows more capacity the buildings to go in with it but you're reducing the lanius entitlement sir I understand it you're reduce that I understand that but by doing these other concessions - you're allowing more density to come in as well no I see the reduction what I'm saying is there's a lot of departments all part of the negotiation but again we've had times before on sensitive flooding narrator we've increased Swift modes rules and put our own rules into a higher regard that we don't do that here we don't do this in this mean so the center could be limit to that sure so you've got you need to take this into consideration with the fact that it you that this board in 2012 already gave an approval it's still the County Commission again and so staff needs to review it based on the entitlements that are on this site today now true if you were dealing with green space in an area of known flooding on occasion the County Commission has those conditions on a planned development that goes and above and beyond Witcher code requires correct that's true statement but in this case you're also dealing with the fact that they have a plan of development that they could in fact build so it's it's the balancing act of those those two things that you've got to consider with today's here and then my point is instead of just again pushing this through right now if we push this through you're not going to get any conversations I would love to have those discussions and work with the developer to come in and go study these things now rather than later what they're doing let's go reduce the amount of your double different apartments and everything else if I could and you know I've been on the board a little over four years I mean we don't see a lot of these Wyatt to where there's this kind of public outreach now let me let me ask staff is this a base enough special concern in this area I'm assuming it is who decides if it is or it isn't I know the answer but I'm just asking you I mean obviously we know flooding is an issue but I'm just just asking the question so who decides where a base in

the special concern is in Pasco County and presume it would be a decision by the Board of County Commissioners okay okay I just again I I agree with Commissioner Mariano if the applicant wants to sit here today and say listen I know his foot muds gonna tell us the minimum to twenty five year flood storm that's what it needs to be built to I'm not okay with that and I'm not going to be okay with that down unless the residents are ok with that because what happens if we have a 50-year storm or does that water go no but Swift my expectation is 25 build up to a 25-year storm and we have made exceptions in the past 100 years still monthly was made one this year to make them do 50 years we do usually write in Commissioner Morris district okay so if you want to start getting into the hydrology of CR pines we can have staff come up and so you can learn what's more about the issues going on there but I don't think that the time to do that is when you're reducing impacts on the department that is already in tide but I I would they can go back and do something else first of all in my opinion chairman we've discussed this in the past we should see west side things on the west side we see this should be on the west side it shouldn't be here first of all so I think we need to continue it to the west side and again why don't to listen to these folks but obviously have concerns most of the time when I see these no matter what process timeline we're in the applicant does a very good job of reaching out to the community that are not always going to agree but reaching out to the community from what I could hear from the community no one has which is alarming but if you said they just they just came to us with all these issues then the applicant should have said listen I'd like to extend this so we can do the right thing talk to the neighbors it's going to make them not I have time to get some questions answered to I just had a lot of questions like the lowering of park land how much lower in the park land are we doing to add Peevy conditions when you should but we should know what it is and we're gonna prove it today and I love the muttering mutters great they've got nowhere Starkey it's awesome and I think it's gonna be great but again these folks have a lot of good questions and I have an issue moving forward again I approved the other side because I kind of do agree that that I think it was a little threatening the way he said and I don't think you meant it that way about any we're gonna prove these parts if not already proved but that is what it is I get it but again I'm just telling you my opinion oh I'm not okay with that I think we need to continue it to the west side that's where it should have been in the first place for these folks mr. chairman if I may you're in a process this was not if the board ultimately wants to continue this project that's fine but you've got you've got a process that you need to go through and and so I'd let staff go through there their

presentation I'd let the applicant do their presentation and then listen to public comment question about the steam it was just great so they don't mess up mr. chair question for County Attorney yeah because I know we've dealt with this before so right if we go to public comment and people do speak and it is continued we run into the issue before where they couldn't speak um both times so that's that's correct that's yeah so so generally if if the board takes that goes through public comment closes public comment and the project does not change conditions don't change then they don't you don't have to reopen public comment at the next year I think obviously a whole entire board I understand but I don't know that their majority wants to continue either at this I don't know that at this time but still I think it's important to probably go through public hearing and smell it yes that would be the next relaxed thing comic joël to to an associates for the applicant not really sure where to start but uh I'll try try to tick off the issues mr. Mariano the concern about why now this thing was noticed for public hearing in front of the Planning Commission sitting as your local planning agency on the planet this thing was noticed for public hearing before you you held the hearing and transmitted the plan amendment this thing was noticed for public hearing before the Planning Commission and the MP you do and it recommended unanimously approval with exactly these alternative standards and exactly the mqd plan did not have a negative vote from any of them did not have any record objection everybody got notice per your code requirements went to DCA two months got no objection of comments we started seeing letters from dr. Jessica Greer that were sent not to us but to the county staff a day or two before the fourth of July we got those letters relayed to us by staff literally to steer whistie before the fourth holiday okay that's what we got that's when this game we've been on consent forever okay because there was no objection no different from any other project the hundreds that we do and that you see we powwow everybody was out of pocket over the fourth July weekend we couldn't find the client to get authority I had recommended that someone reach out immediately to dr. Greer to talk about the drainage because that's all that was being put in the letters okay was drainage Monday morning first thing we got on the conference call client authorized that his representatives called dr. Greer and reached out and said look we understand all the drainage questions this thing has to go through full draining to review permitting we're happy to engage you in that process we're happy to be transparent we'll hold a share it with you if you want to engage a review engineer to review the plan comment to the county and us you're welcome to do that we will engage you in that process but with all respect and as you know a lot of these hmm okay and you've seen a lot of them it is

extremely abnormal to stop the NPD approval to impose some drainage condition that you don't have you don't have enormous you don't have land development code regulation you're not a qualified drainage engineer I get I don't know how you would make up that standard today to impose it on my client especially when as mr. Stein ciders pointed out we have a not only existing plan approval we have an existing imp you do provable now whether they can build 1534 apartments are only thirteen hundred and twenty who knows until you engineer it but the point is this board approved those apartments now all of a sudden it's a crazy idea to have density on this property you put this property in your self market area in your urban service area and have directed all of us to go bring you mixed-use job creation communities so what we have brought you is precisely what your self market area urban service area says we are supposed to develop on this property per your directive repeatedly we brought you exactly that project and in doing it we have reduced the current item you don't like it was the current item before self storage warehouses okay it was the last previous dislike item and we've reduced those from fifteen hundred and thirty four to four hundred so my client does exactly what I stand here twice a month and here you tell me you want to see we bring it to you we've had no objection for six months and three public hearings and now we're the bad guys that the day before the fourth of July of this stuff hit and you don't know why we were on consent that's disconcerning just being honest with you let me Clemmy I don't think it's fair well let me come into it okay cuz in fairness to you mister to I have no problem with the explain I've ever seen about this and I don't think you have done anything wrong whatsoever matter of fact I know time and time again you work with us continually to try to good bring projects together after we've suggested things to go their way I'm sure you're surprised as much as we are to see all these people in the audience so my concern was knowing just from ceará Pines not only was tight right do this all the flooding that was going on why it wasn't looked at by staff from seeing it so wait a minute hang on let me finish so I don't need to put you in the bad position I know you're feeling it today with all these people here saying what's wrong with my project I would I would love to see us take the time to go look and what can we do to improve this the best we can wouldn't if I could to make this go and I know you've done it before and I know you could be included here and it's not it's a tough situation to be in but you know would you be able to take the time to go through maybe let's go take a look at what we can do it improve this all the way through the process okay and that's a fair question and that's why I opened my very first presentation on the plan amendment by saying that if we do things per the proper course and order and your normal procedure we will

absolutely commit on the record you can put it as an added condition then pewdie you can write it up we will engage with the county engineer or mr. balls other designee Swift Mudd the residents the residents review engineer we will go through that process and subject ourselves to that they have a point of entry in that process if they're not happy with you approving the drainage plans their lawyer and they blow it up he has a point of entry to challenge that if he's not happy with the Swift mud permit approval they're going to get a notification all he has to do send them a letter and they'll notify he has a point of entry so the short answer is we have no problem engaging in that process the problem I have is being required to do it completely outside your regulations completely outside your policy and here's why we have pending contracts with Lennar to buy those homes and buy those apartments and with in the townhomes and we have a pending contract with closing deadlines contingent only on this approval so you are going to wreck a project and call some serious I mean these decisions have substantial business repercussions that's why I stood up here last night that said I understand this matura moratorium looks harmless but to your business community this is not a good signal this is another very bad signal to your business community when they have followed exactly your rules exactly your requirements and have reduced their density by half and got rid of the thing you don't like most of the apartments so why is it not acceptable to have a condition that obligates us to do what we've altered to do and that is engage in that process with the residents there engineer your county engineer surely you have confidence in your county engineer if you don't Swift night mr. biles can supervise that the county can hire a consulting engineer if it wants one but the fact is we are legally entitled to have the law applied to us that is in force and not something new that on the fly we make up today because there are some objections I think you know some of the commissioners here probably no one but me understands what how we've been dealing with the flooding and Sierra fines and there was a time of work y'all the last three were elected that we had a flood coalition and some of the residents talked about it when we started in and we peeled off Sierra Pines from that big flood coalition that used to meet regularly with Swift mud and staff and in the you know Senators staff and every elected official staff and we now have a a Sierra Pines of coalition and I love like well and mr. Carey to come up and address a little bit about what you've been doing because these are these are these are separated about related issues that are going on I would really I'd really rather to have the applicant conclude his included presentation I'll be very brief in wrapping up and I'll take the point those individual alternatives that we've asked for there isn't a single one of those mr. Mariano that isn't entirely consistent with what we did a long lake

ranch when I was just in here on that a few months ago that waiver of that of that Park requirement for the apartments in in lieu of the current market amenity facilities you've approved that a half dozen times in the last 12 months particularly in this case because it is a mudroom we have that required community gathering space and if you really look at the concept plan a lot of thoughts been put into that that that community gathering space is between the office and the apartments that essentially replaces the function of what would be an internal community park but the advantages everyone the single-family the townhomes the office workers they all have access to the community gathering space so why would you require land inside the apartments that only the apartment people can go to if in fact the entire walkable community can share that the parking is based on statistically what this county is approved across the board so we have not asked for any concession that is an absolutely the standard that we've had approved on the last six or eight imp you DS that look like this I understand and you're real good at it in a respect to Fort you're real good at playing poker and bargaining and getting those concessions but in this case it's not a concession it actually is the norm of what's been approved so my frank suggestion is add a condition that affirmatively obligates the engagement on the drainage issue with the drainage review provide those plants to the residents and their engineer if he wants to comment we're fine with making that an additional condition which is completely outside the norm but we're good with it and same thing on the buffering if you could delegate to mr. boss or his designee that we have to work with them it's only that one small area on the west side of the towns will absolutely look at that is it landscaping because the truth is until the law engineers that they may determine they can get their units and provide more buffer we simply don't but we're certainly willing to work in good faith with transparency on what can be done on that buffer issue to get staff comfortable on the site plan and absolutely to meet the drainage of arms I I work timber Oaks you know that oh I know the problem you did a great job okay and it is the the problem is however they got there they purchased in the ball it's in the floodplain the world develops around that it is a difficult problem but I don't think you can legally or fairness or business-wise punish someone who's not in there you can't keep them from developing their property in accordance with legal regulations today so long as what they do does not harm them you're absolutely Creole no they can't we can increase the quantity of discharge or the rate of discharge from our property we could simply can't do it it's unlawful mr. to I greatly appreciate your attitude and your your knowledge of this whole whole scenario as the NPD comes through we get a good look at it coming through we get

our engineers involved if they can have their engineers that gives me a lot of comforts to make the next well absolutely do that and I do know that all those things in there are all good things to go put in all those conditions I just didn't want to give up any chips and I appreciate the hold and I promise that you have we have nothing in there that hasn't been approved by this board on multiple projects and I would like to say what you've drawn out here I just function as far as we really need rate of drainage is a good start too so I appreciate it thank you we promise that we'll do that and that's just for the record because there's opposition I just want to incorporate our present I believe it's part of the record my presentation at Planning Commission LPA my presentation on the plan amendment I don't want to have to put all that back in the record in case somebody challenges this so we incorporate the staff reports obviously they found it consistent with your plan they found it compatible with the Comprehensive Plan and and I think there's more than adequate credible evidence in the record from the staff reports the agency reports and our submittals to support the approval I'm going to shut up we respectfully encourage you I really need to impute the approve now to deliver the project that's our problem chairman Joel so real quick got the reason the reason I'm again and I appreciate you saying that this is the last time we're going to see this we approve this today we're done it's not coming back to it so just delegate but I get and again I owe to the residents to I want for to make sure I ask the questions that I just if that's gonna be part of the motion is to include that and make sure again we've seen special circumstances that I've seen so we've all been in here that we've done to make sure because obviously they're impacted obviously you know again they're all here for a reason we don't again I don't see a lot of these probably the fifth one I've seen since I've been here I take it seriously I know you do too I respect you but sometimes you know again I just want to be on the record because again we're done after today it's not coming back to us so you are and I appreciate two that you and mr. mayor I don't concerned about this I have no problem with one of you cause I know you both can at the same time if whatever you wants to sit in those discussions review that we welcome you to do that we welcome anyone's input whose concern because obviously my client whilst my client intends to new harmed anyone so thank you okay thank you [Laughter] so we do have many people signed up I'll call them out three deep so if you don't mind standing in line will you will you explain again there's one opportunities how does this work well if the board continues this matter at the end after a closed public hearing then they wouldn't have an opportunity unless the board reopened the public hearing at the next next and the board sometimes doesn't

sometimes nothing here's another side of the story is - there's a lot of you for here for the same reason if you big two or three or four people that are gonna say the same thing you're gonna say you can shorten this matter of it just by never saying what you're gonna say anyway we appreciate each and they're wanting to say and you have the right to stand up speed so with that we'll call off the first three and then all right Jess Steph I'm sorry subpoena all right meeting Ferguson and I think it's I'll bet the band Brandon sorry okay good afternoon I'm just MP an 1102 Wildwood Lane Lutz Florida I just wanted to talk a little bit about history on these you have oh I am sworn okay is that correct yes great if you - if when it's my time sort yes for the record name address and it's Warren is this time to start over no okay good just for the record okay so I just wanted to talk a little bit about the history for everyone benefit in 2011 the pace and Chloe East watershed management plan was completed and from my understanding our entire neighborhood Meadowbrook estate Sierra Pines was included in a basin of special concern in that model the pace model and the watershed management plan was supposed to be used to assess the development impacts and then from my learnings today in 2012 the input was approved for that piece of property so I'm kind of curious how that was able to happen in that same plan in the basin of special concern there were flood prone areas and there were four of those areas that were within our neighborhood one of them abutted the area of the development when I went and looked in that to the current comprehensive plan that you guys have and I looked at the maps of flood prone areas I did not see those areas so that's concerning to me the only areas I see are Sierra Pines I do not see the flood prone areas that abutted the development that's being proposed I also wanted to reiterate that we're concerned about the wetlands wetlands H J and n are the ones that are being proposed to be filled in but on that input plan the map that dr. Greer gave you the wetland on the southeast corner is not being shown as being filled in so we're concerned about those discrepancies also from my understanding the residents that abut the development got a letter from from height consulting from Army Corps from Bowler engineering and Bowler engineering I think only said that we had 15 days to respond to their site their preliminary site plans that's concerning to us because we are you know a neighborhood that we we don't have our own engineer yet so what I'm asking today is that you give us time to find our own engineers so that we can when we have the meeting with the developer have our engineer there to represent us otherwise we feel like we're not going to be well represented so those are the points that I wanted to make and thank you Nadine Ferguson Olivia my address Bertie I was already sworn in to the gentleman that was here before I'm offended by your indignation this is a job for you this

is my home I don't care about land values I'm here the long haul my kids have instructions to bury me in the back so I'm a little upset right now they're already talking about shrinking the size of parking let's make this smaller that is density they want to put more people in a smaller area if they think they can build 1500 Apartments let them choke on them I don't think they can sell them I want to see the plan that has a 1,500 apartments I ask you as our representatives you haven't seen these plans I haven't seen these plans he's saying they have to be engineered how are we buying this car that we have not looked it how are we going to approve this when I don't have details to go with it we are only asking for more time give us three months let us hire our own engineer make them choke out the plans let's have a review of facts that way you don't get my emotion you don't get our indignation why are we here right now this is the public process he should not be annoyed we showed up we're supposed to show up we're supposed to be able to comment on our land our business our community my name is dam that we live here so I'm a little annoyed right now that he's annoyed because we showed up we're supposed to show up so I asked you can we please have more time if this development dies because you continued this for 90 days while we get some time to look at it something that will affect all of our lives then this process or should I say this development wasn't worthwhile in the first place they're just ramming it through so waste the time money it's gonna just destroy the area let's give this proper thought that's all I ask thank you I've heard a brand lisa sloan followed by scott fitzpatrick followed by Jessica Grier Lisa's phone 1 7 1 3 5 Gunlock rude I've been sworn in I feel like we are already a mixed a used job-creation land site we have not only home owners but business owners that operate businesses out of their communities so we let's let's give some consideration to to where it desirable in in some extent and I heard that pausing the give consideration is being referred to as an abnormal process but I would submit to you we have a very abnormal situation here the SPECIAL basin of concern I appreciate the sentiments expressed by mr. Mariano mr. wells that could we not give this more consideration given the level of concern and the fact that people are showing up to express this at this point I think there were one or two people that got letters but I think most of us heard about this in the recent weeks and we simply want some opportunity to press pause before proceeding I think we're dealing with an extremely abnormal situation and so an abnormal time period is not abnormal here it's specific to the situation I think it's somewhat ludicrous to say because we gave assent in 2012 to something that we have to proceed in 2018 knowing what we know now like we're blind to the deterioration that's happened and the unintended consequences that all the people in the room have

experienced we just want to add to address it in a thoughtful manner rather than just proceeding because way back in 2012 we said okay let's move forward that may have seemed like a sound decision at that time but given what we're of experience now what we're sharing with you now it seems very unsound the references to good faith then transparency they don't ring true for me I've not experienced we've not been well served by the process that has been in place so thank you for expressing some opportunity to give consideration that maybe we need to pause and maybe we need to give this kind of a different treatment than before thank you thank you good afternoon again thank you Scott Fitzpatrick do I need to state my address again for the record 811 cypress village boulevard Ruskin Florida three three five seven three I'm gonna be happy been torn I have been sworn thank you thank you I want to incorporate my arguments I made earlier and agenda item P - if I may - in the interest of time I also want to say that to you that you know these people have said it all and I would just ask for a raise of hands if you live in the Sierra Pines or Meadowbrook subdivisions and I'd ask for a show of hands if you received correspondence from a developer from an engineer from the county from anyone so I think that goes to the heart of some of the questions that commissioners were asking so due process has not been given here and inadequate notice has not been given I think it goes to the heart of what we're asking for we are respectfully requesting under these circumstances that you delay taking action in regards to this project until my clients concerns are addressed and their engineers or advocates are given fair opportunity to weigh in on the development efforts on their kamon their communities and neighborhoods and I thank you for all for all your time today I know we've taken up a lot of it and I know you've got a lot of weight on your shoulders and I'm glad that you get to make these decisions and not me hi I'm I've been sworn in my name is dr. Jessica Greer I live at one seven three two for rain-free Road in lutz florida i would just like to go on record that we received the army corpse of engineer letter public notice on june 25th 2019 that had the link to the online map that i showed you so we were not aware of that drastic impact drastically affected to the twenty houses that will be drastically affected with our value of our property flooding we have cypress swamp that is on our property with a barn adjacent that we're gonna have horses and goats and chickens and currently that looks like that won't be able to happen i would also like to go on record that I work over 60 hours a week okay and I am on call every sixth day not to mention every sixth weekend I cannot make these hearings I took a loss at my practice today to come and take off PTO time to be here and had to reschedule patients and come up very early I think that this

development itself threatens not only the neighborhood of flooding also threatens wildlife I was the only person that responded to my email was someone named Tammy I'm sorry I don't have service I don't know her last name but Tammy sent a list of the questions and said there is no ecological corridor that needs to be behind my property in the minimum required that is planned it's 15 feet this will not only devalue my property it decreases our privacy we we have we've spent over sixty thousand dollars on our house renovating an entire back back porch that we like to look over I don't want to see one story to story townhomes only 15 feet from my property line I don't want to raise my future children in an area that is potentially going to be impact goodbye this do I have another minute yes sorry okay but I was not I don't think adequately informed I don't feel that our residents the only reason we were all able to get together is because Jessica was able to contact us on the next door app that's the only reason we've all been able to get together to discuss what's actually happening no one knew the plans you guys haven't seen these plans that are coming up I think we all need to press pause on this project and I apologize that your developers are gonna have an impact but this this is this is what isn't this what our commissioners are supposed to do is protect the rights of the people and protect our land and our value why we moved here again I'm Scott Sloan once every 135 Gunlock Road in loops I object to the plans that are happening here I was sworn in so I object to the plans that have been presented here about building another structure around this fishbone that we have one impact that hasn't been mentioned here is that the development of apartments and gas stations bring in more crime crime will raise in our area because of these so we will have properties that are now flooded that we can't sell and we'll have more a crime area the lawyer previously was quite indignant that we would even object to the plans that were previously approved can i I just want to know who approved those plans back in 2012 can we get a name because we I was told by somebody inside your facility that we don't know how those plans are approved it's kind of a mystery so we want to know who prove those planets he also brought up that you guys are not drainage experts but I'm pretty sure that if I ask the audience here which way does water run they're gonna say downhill that property that's going to be built will be higher than ours the property to down that land I'm sorry long like ranch that property's above 54 that means those properties they get water are now shifting it down into our area and we have no recourse to move it out our rights as Americans are taken away when your amendments say we can't protect our property if there were three things in the bill of rights it wins the pursuit of life liberty and property they changed that I bet you didn't know that I changed it to happiness so we can

conclude that happiness and property are one in the same when we're not happy because of our property that is you guys are just taking our rights away thank you [Music] we have please combo so they both they line up there's only two left on this so we have I don't know his first name but mr. Kennedy and Amanda Grayson and then if anyone else wants to speak could they line up behind that cuz we have five more issues like this to go so we got we got a lot to go through today so so name address and if you've been sworn thank you Patrick Kennedy one seven three two zero Raintree Road Lutz Florida I have been sworn in and so the counsel for the developer made a statement that fifteen over fifteen hundred apartments have already been approved and some some presumptions were made that the current plan would reduce the impact because we're going from fifteen hundred down to seven hundred I would argue that's a presumption because we still haven't seen any plans for a fifteen hundred unit complex I worked in multifamily before I've seen five hundred units going 20 acres so if you say 15 under units across sixty acres that still leaves one hundred acres open to accept drainage to accept whatever else if you look at the current proposed plan there's a there's a lot of pavement on here so that could eat up a lot more for this drainage issue so I appreciate the these issues being brought up my wife was also one of those people that sent on July second or third to Tami Snyder sent an email she did not receive a call back she did receive an email back from Tami saying 15 feet is what's a lot of as a setback we're not asking again that the town's not be built we're asking the same privilege that everybody above us were given on this setback of green space and/or retention ponds to set the properties back to townhomes again we're not saying don't build the townhomes were say give us some space and I could submit some things showing flooding I think it's a new point at this point so I won't do it my property was built in 79 neighbors on either side were built later they were built above me and these townhomes would also be built above me which leads me at the bottom I can send all of you videos and pictures showing my entire backyard one acre cover and water almost knee-deep in water and my kids have to stay inside for weeks until that drains so we're asking that she has review this thank you for your time thank you Amanda Grayson okay have not been sworn in please raise your right hands do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth so help you God yes ma'am my name is Brandon Grayson I live at seventeen three six zero whoever stood Riverstone dry 100 one thing that we haven't addressed that I have a personal preference for is looking at the Stars whose addressed the light pollution that we're going to experience as neighbors and something

that's unique to my my wife and I is the there's a in the picture that we were sent to the proposed plans there's a corporate building with a parking lot adjacent to our property right there on 54 the the only thing that I I'm gonna lovingly say in my testimony is that in Matthew 22 Jesus said that the greatest two Commandments were loved by God with all your heart with all your soul and with all your mind and the second commandment was love your neighbor as yourself I ask you as our commissioners if you lived in this neighborhood what would you want done for you thank you thank you [Music] please do you solemnly swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth so help you God yes my name is John herring my address is seven six five zero they sure drive Treasure Island my secondary residence is 172 55mm tree grove I have three photographs of the property that is in question chapter sent them to the clerk if you present them they will keep them as part of the right yes those photographs I'm not sending any blame to the county but that is a picture of a swale that it's on the property in question and when 54 was expanded for some reason that Swale has been blocked off to drink into the ditch on 54 now this is an engineering problem so obviously engineering things can be overloads if that Swale is filled with four feet of dirt how is that going to drain and I just asked as you consider that you check into the engineering plans and to consider it not filling in drainage that exists on this property and thank you thank you dextra burning one 732 for Raintree Road I have been swimming mr. commissioner talking I appreciate your statements about looming to move things along but this is our life this is this is why we were here sometimes they prolong I get caught in the operating room I plugged up my tire then that's that's a long day for me and that's just that's the way that that is I don't think they'll abandon my patience or any of my people who is impending all the day okay source for our lawyer who and the fact that we have lawyered up what else can we do here what do you expect us to do we're a small of a coalition people of course we're gonna we have to fight on your ground you want to come to the to our ground and come to the hospital we can talk on my terms but well on your on your plane so we need to do things by your set of rules so we have to get a lawyer who's me to speak this language you want me to talk to you about it you're two valve replacements all day long I can but you're not gonna understand that so we have to have a way that's why we're here okay I understand a lot of issues with the flooding I haven't had a lot of experience it with it doesn't start a second you're here that we came to raise our family and have a family you've met my wife doctor here we paid over half a million dollars for our home just last year and we've since put over $60,000 into

renovating it and I understand that that this lands gonna be used we understood that when we moved here we understood that there was a giant field it's beautiful and it's all gonna go away but never in our wildest dreams could we have imagined a wall of multi-story townhomes 15 feet from our property never could we have imagined that and in fact as she may have mentioned we called the real estate agencies not to buy the land we were scoffed at and told it would be five hundred thousand dollars an acre despite the fact that if you did 20 million dollars divided by one hundred and sixty three acres he would never have reached five hundred thousand dollars an acre a simple matter so it wasn't that they were gonna just try to give us a portion of it we would have happily bought it and with our neighbor the Kennedys that because we were told to be $500,000 an anchor at which point we were also told that there would then not to worry don't worry there's gonna be a really long wildlife easement and you're gonna have to worry about any of this stuff I think it's fair to say that we know something's gonna be built there it's not our property do whatever you want I think it's fair to say that our property value will be greatly impacted by having a full wall from one end to the other of two multi-story townhomes and that we would like in again they mentioned there's only two houses affected here's one of them one of those people that are affected and I think it would be reasonable at least we cannot stop the development we understand it's gonna be something developed but unfortunately we're one of those two houses and we think it would be reasonable to at least mitigate our property line as well as all of the other property lines a longbed overlook have been mitigated to help crease our privacy and keep our property value growing like it's supposed to like like we want in our communities growing those that community is growing the property markets are going up all the time it's bringing people like us young professionals coming in we want it to stay that way thank you anyone have to speak no one close public hearing right now could I have mr. Karbala come up Donal Kari come up Wilpon come up um as they're coming up I wanted to dress the gentleman who's concerned about light pollution I don't remember where he is but yeah back in my civic activism days I've worked on the lighting ordinance and you're not allowed to have lights that shine up to protect the night sky so Pasco County is very unique in that way that when you drive around you'll notice all the lights are shining down and we have a restriction on the foot candles so that they don't do it you know out in our history what sister so first mister Kabbalah is this a basin of special concern my carbolic was just an account administrator public infrastructure no it is not okay so it's not a basement a special concern it is an area of special concern to me your commissioner and all these commissioners

but it is not a basement special concern um let me ask you a question commissioner so with the pace study the pay study designate any areas I have thought I'm not familiar with that okay we didn't finish I've ever let Donald Kerry introduce yourself and who you aren't and Wilpon speak to them some days ever before no I'm Kerry did you know three public works I do you need to know where they've been sworn yes I have nothing okay actually it doesn't have to be sworn sorry these hopefully that's right there are there are three by code there are three designated bases of special concern this is not one of them and as I've been previously mentioned the basis of special concern are as determined by you the board okay and do we have us your appliance coalition yes and we have been meeting for how many years now proximately two years yes so we have and Jesse had just heads that and she's representing you extremely well so and I know many of you many others have you come to those meeting another public meeting so anyone can attend those meetings and we do it at the utilities office so we have been trying to deal with flooding very serious funding that's going on see airplanes there's no doubt about it and you know I remember this area and don't gonna wax a little bit but I want you guys to jump in I've been dealing I you know I've lived here now almost 30 years and I remember when the rodeo was up here off 54 and my husband had to get a tractor from our ranch down street to come pull people out when it rain because it was so wet people got stuck this area has been wet forever and it was even wet when we were over pumped and for those of you or who are new to Pasco County when we were i know 20 30 years ago we were pumped dry our lakes on our ranch dried up it was a environmental catastrophe and so you have a well feel to your right and I don't know my commissioners know this this is a well-filled owned st. Petersburg and and and what's kind of funky here too is that the water drains out of here and goes north and it goes under the Suncoast under 54 under the Suncoast is that South Branch branch South branch goes under the Sun Coast and dense but before sandy branch goes directly under 54 and then it's the same time okay get that one so so it's got two two ways it's it's draining and in this area if you could if you could put a map up that doesn't have any of those roads so you could see it you'll see that Sierra pines was built long before there were the required storm system storm water systems so they don't have really right my name is speaking your language but that's kinda explain some of the hydrology of Sierra points well the the plaque upon which this was built was not recorded and it did not have drainage easements and there were the drainage system is insufficient yeah so it's a little a no fan site I know y'all love the rural nature of this and I get why you chose there but you picked a community that has kind of made up its own drainage system house-by-house some of you have built lakes some of you have

done ditches some of you filled in your wetlands some of you have cemented over your culverts that are in the ditches it's a it's a mixture of a lot of things going on out there is that fair so I can't speak to some of that okay so so we're working piece by piece to help the water flow out of here one of the first things we did wasn't have with F dot we went under the host and frankly there were trees growing in the culverts under there it was horrible so we've been working to fix the hydrology in here but but it's not Smith 50 forced responsibility to fix the woes of ceará Pines it is Smith's 54th responsibility to not make it worse and what we have seen in the past is when some of these developments come in and most of it you know we're we look at these with such strong engineering eyes now that we we get extra storage we freak I can't I'm not saying that's happening here we don't even know yet but frequently we we get extra storage to help the neighbors that have problems downstream this is not that big of property I don't know if there's any room for extra storage but they they by law cannot put more water into your neighborhood so so I wanted to lay lay that out and I wanted to do commissioners to know that the county staff and and the resident commissioner are working really hard to find some and swiftly John Poole Wanda's in here all the time working on solutions to help them so and this what we're looking at today I know they wants to pause but this is a reduction this is a reduction in the use of this property I am a little concerned mr. - about this plan but as far as this is conceptual where's jewel so this is a conceptual plan - incorrect this is not the final plan by any means and you're hearing and I get it the those Town Hall is that what those are those are townhomes there so you know I'm sure all the commissioners would appreciate if you could work well it won't even be your clients in it well whoever ends up with this they need to know we need to let them know all of us we want to try and fix that and I think there's a little room in there that they could get some space in there and I would personally call the CEO of Lonard and work on that in these two lots that were really affecting here and there's got to be a way that we can we can help them there so it's it's my hope that that this ends up being an asset to you and I know you you those of you who think you're lemon in the country will feel otherwise when you see this next to you but Suncoast of 54 is not the country you have once we get your once we get your drainage program fixed you will have a little German because you will have kind of like what Edessa is in Hillsborough County you will have what is a really rural feel in a one of the most important areas of Pasco County so I think I think if we can get this worked out it'll be to your great advantage and I pledge to you that we will keep working and peeling away the problems that are in your neighborhood

we also need some cooperation from some of you and some of the neighbors in there are not letting the county clean some of the ditches that are blocking some of you so well we'll keep working on that and but I I think we need to move this forward because I think this actually is better than a more intense use that they can and I think it could potentially help fix some of the issues and I think they've got some good things that are coming in here that the county looking at the big picture is really looking forward to so so that's that's why I feel mr. Jim one more thing will we will and I talked before the meeting and when there when the applicants plans are more set and engineering looks at them we will have another community meeting I will come out or you can come to the county well we'll run that meeting and done all that you involved with that too or I can certainly make myself available okay and well can you explain that process to the residents because I know some of them had to reach you and said the credit reaches will Pompey current planning as you had mentioned earlier I mean it is under review and so we're still in the process of providing comments and so forth and we have received citizens emails phone calls and we've taken those into consideration as part of our review and also in working with stormwater department that's part of our review process I've also been in correspondence with the applicants engineers and so forth and impart that as you mentioned earlier is to provide a community meeting so that we can all look at the plans address the the constraints concerns and so forth and with the community and their engineers and the applicants engineers and current planning I think will be all together to work collaborative together to address and assist hopefully addressing those concerns so so let me ask you a question as the Commissioner of these folks and they want to have their own engineers eyes on this you know what's that timeframe I mean I want to be if they want that I want them to be able to have an engineer look at these plans so that kind of plans have been submitted so they're actually public records so you can access we sent some links to some of the citizens who emailed me and so forth that can access the plans a drainage calculations and geotechnical report etc so I mean those are available I mean obviously you can still contact us as current planning if you want us to send you information we can definitely do that so there it's available right now what is your time frame for approval and well I mean as rounds of comments right now we're in the round 1 and I've had not issue we have not issued they need comments they don't understand so what around 1 how much time does the applicant have to respond to respond respond I would like their engineer to quickly be able to engage yes we've been always been in correspondence with the engineers and phone calls and so forth thank you thank you mr. chairman well

they might get about a minute um so a couple things um I think the best thing for the citizens that happened is that they did come up in with an amendment and I'll say that because if they didn't come in for an amendment we would all be sitting here today they could have just built that's a fact I mean that is reality of that it's a fact so this outlets that give you an opportunity and now we're having able to have these discussions normally would not be able to have because of that there is a process to appeal a sight plant or a pose a site plan yes yeah yeah yes so but if the site plan meets right code and the zoning ordinance right there's nothing on this board let him do about but I'd yes it doesn't come in this board but I wanted to make sure they understood that it would go to Planning Commission any Commission if there was an appeal of that so there is a process for that let me just go back to the discussion we had earlier of a concern I do have which is and Commissioner Starfy did bring it up which is the buffering in Joel the buffering of those two Lots that I'm looking at on the south you can't really put it out into the screen but you know which ones I'm talking about right correct so going back to you know again to our discussion we had earlier and there's been instances and Commissioner Wells actually mentioned instance where during the process we did change that increase the buffering I I do feel for them to have that that close I mean the 15 foot is is really tight I mean that's really tightness and then we met you to be okay with a condition you know to add a condition that will be to look at that closer but the same time I just want to have some confidence that we're going to be able to do that well I think my suggestion is if you delegate that to mr. Bowser's designee in the site planning process the reason we can't tell you how much more they can do is as the engineer and specifically laid out those townhomes there may be adjust for example there may be some other alternative standard that they could ask staff to approve that if approved would allow the creation of a greater buffer so you know there there are things that could be adjusted so it's hard to stand here and say we can do X and I know for a fact that Lenore has not yet engineered that but our commitment is if you delegate that authority to mr. biles or his designee then if it's in the condition then pewdie that you have a hook if you will that that's got to be worked out I mean they're not going to get that site plan approved until they get mr. biles or his designee to say yep we're satisfied that that's the best you can do there and we've looked at all the different alternatives and configurations and we're providing maximum we'll tell you without will absolutely tell you that we will in any event enhance the buffering plantings berm whatever distance ends up being agreed to that we will also enhance that I understand you know

unfortunately you have that that's one of the three developable parcels when you look at the land so it's got to be developed I understand it happens to hit two people it's horrible for the two it hits it doesn't hit the other twenty but you know it's just the best you can do but we will minimize that impact and we we trust mr. biles and his planning staff to to use reasonable discretion to do that and we'll work well we have no reason not to maximize that provided that we can lay out the project and get and get those units okay so so I'm looking I'm I'm looking at the parcel here have it correct so I was looking at it there we go thank you so those sort of water ponds the conceptual planning of those multiple ponds and one of them is on the north side of the townhomes and one lies to the east side of that so those are again conceptual so I think we would have some room to shift them things as long as they have it right as long as they have uplands that they can move it's it's all as you know a zero-sum game you got to take care of the drainage we understand that's probably priority number one that's that's a priority priority for drainage is a priority for some and then obviously the but for others and we'll do our best accommodate both and still get the yield that's needed for that down home parcel it's just you can't stand here and do it without the engineering so my suggestion is that we delegate to those who are professionally trained to do it in whom we trust and you know we're not gonna get a site plan signed off on if we don't get that buy-in from staff right so and you know it's the same thing to us if mr. biles hard-times us and we think he's unreasonable our only relief is we also have to fill that site plan the Planning Commission I mean that's just the way it works now we all work it out and we don't usually have to do that okay so let me go to mr. BIOS and since you've been busy sitting quietly so person this is me I would like to see us add that condition that we could increase that buffering along this to parcels you know we're gonna need to come up with a number though too so I can give you direction now to look at that closely but that's just looking at it you know you with me so we can yeah I think it can be done - but we need increase increase that when I say buffering not we're just putting trees up we need to space that out a little bit so it's difficult to give me yeah me to give you direction and your team to look at that when I don't when I'm not able to give it a number well I agree and I don't think because we don't have design plans and it's hard to come up with a number that would actually write work on the site so right I'm not sure how you give me a number today other then working with the developer to maximize that buffer as best you can based on the conditions of the site but I can't put a number class I know that's without a plan well you know I mean up well minimum I need it I mean I love this minimum I would like to see

that doubled that minimum but you know it's a woman I you know and to the absolute I'm gonna have to throw a number out nothing to say at least amendment to make that a condition or it's not it's not a true condition so mr. chairman members the board the chief assistant has drafted a condition that that the applicant hasn't seen but since we still have rebuttal for the applicant I'm sure he'll note his displeasure if it's not something you can live with the applicant applicant agrees to provide additional buffering along the western boundary of the mqd adjacent to the two existing homes as determined by the county administrator or designee at the time of PSP slash PDP approval the applicant agrees to submit a buffering plan for the western boundary to the owner to the two existing home for comments at least 60 days prior to the date of PSP / PDP approval and there's another condition that we have draft size that I'm sorry and comments from the homeowners yes well I'm asking further comments at least 60 days prior to this dude approval yeah this one I did hit print it out so that you can take a look at it this would be a modification to number 61 of the existing conditions the developer shall submit a stormwater management plan and report to each development phase or increment in accordance with Pasco County LDC as amended new language the stormwater management plan and report shall also be submitted by certified mail return receipt requested to each of the Sierra Pines residents that spoke at the July 9th 2019 public hearing for the MPD as well as any attorneys or engineers representing such residents collectively the Sierra pines parties the applicant agrees to provide the Sierra pines parties at least 90 days to review and provide comments to the stormwater management plan and report and agrees to incorporate any comments received from the Sierra pines parties into the stormwater management plan and report provided that such comments do not require the applicant to exceed the standards referenced in Section in conditions 62 through 64 below plans shall be approved by the county priorities to or simultaneously with the application for PSP or PDP review for the development phase / increment in question no designed for individual increment / phase prior to the or portion of an increment of phase shall do pet be dependent upon ultimate construction of the future increment / phases unless the interim design for the drainage is approved by the zoning and site development department so there are two different things we hurry up - yeah and they're leveling like that you guys want to see this mr. Steiner yes in the florida code is it a 25 year storm that they have to protect a cold water far I would ask mr. carrier mr. Putin to confirm but I believe it's 25 year storm event that so explode requires design annual you have to come to the main come sir Donald Kerry public works in an open Basin which is characteristic in this neighborhood the

Swift mode requires that stormwater discharges not exceed in the post development and a 25 year design event that found in the pre-development case so 25 year 25 years in advance loaves patel that's the flow that's not the volume okay if we did a hundred year event would these people do much better protected or not as much because it's an open basin they'd be better protected if you required a 100-year event it'd be even more better protected if I could say more about if we required that the discharge not just the flow not exceed the pre-development case this is a very sluggish watershed water has trouble getting out of the the name so exactly what would you recommend we do to protect them better 100-year event for storm water events as well as for discharge yeah the the more that you require the better protection that they will have based on a special concern for instance would it go even beyond what what you've just mentioned correct okay so he not be so let me ask you when you when you do that does that mean you're adding a lot more dirt going up higher to make the roads higher so if you make those if you require a more stringent drainage system are you going to cause the roads to be vain so we're on our road standard right now is you build the road heights to 25-year what right residential roads the level of service is set at a 10-year design event attend you okay so you're gonna ask them to go to 100 no I think I was what the Commissioner was was driving at was at what design storm are they required to make their post development meet the pre-development rates not another question as to whether the road should be don't do don't they by rule or law or whatever the word is don't they have to not allow more water to come off their property then does know the in an open Basin by the Swift mud rules in a twenty five year design that's has a four percent chance of occur in any given year their rate of discharge the flow must not exceed in the post what is found in the pre so isn't that what we're requiring them to do that's that's the base minimum that's the 25-year open basin requirement so the expand on that in current planning when we review plans not only what's dog carrier I said but we also look at the honey of your story event in regards to race and stages so that is part of our consideration so we we make sure that's met through that doesn't exceed pre-development conditions also as part of our review and typically they design in accordance to that design storm event also so so just add to you that we do look at we need to look at the hundred year storm event and the stages and the rates also okay in our review and in current planning you did and if I could follow mr. chairman so if I could follow I believe the county attorney will will back up that we've done this before as far as putting eight hundred year event protection and for people and you know previously known to be flooded areas you know I hate to interject but I can save you a lot of time if that's gonna be the

board's requirement deny the mqd and we'll go deal with what your legal requirements are that isn't happening just with all respect and save yourself some time so as I mister to lights to answer for me I've noticed an opinion because it's irrelevant we won't do it deny them pewdie what I had advised the Commissioner before was that in a virgin land situation and greenfield development yes you have in in the past you have not ever since I've been County Attorney you've never done that with an entitled project no not not not with an entitled project you might want to read that last US Supreme Court decision that came down two weeks ago - before you do that german-russian so yeah I would like to see it saying I know our ordinance says that you know a lot of the residents only within 500 feet got noticed so on this it says here fine residents that spoke today I'd like to see all that's the airplane residents be noticed not just the ones that spoke today and Joe one thing I did not hear you say or if I did I apologize sir you're gonna have a community meeting whether these folks before me go yes sir just so you're aware I checked with height designed their mailing matrix reflects that in fact 85 people were sent notices for these hearings so I can't say who's here and who's neither Stan yeah but the certified mailing matrix says 85 people were notified per the county code requires I don't want the record to reflect that it's four or five people who raised their hands I suggest we send the notice to if someone has the mailing notice for the entire community we're happy to send it to all otherwise we have the county's notice of the for the 85 people we'll send it to everyone someone someone has to provide a story yeah someone provides us that information we have to send that notice I'm sure we can get that the only objection I have to draft mr. Stein Snider's or mr. Goldstein via mr. Stein Schneider I reviewed this their engineer client we have no problem with the proposed modification to 61 we do respectfully think that 90 days is too long if they're serious about getting an engineer that needs to be a 30 or 45 day period we you know while we're going through our first round with the county that can get them to look at it before we get through the second round we really need their input if they want to engage in this we welcome that but they need they need to get serious hire the engineer and get him he can look at these plans and in 30 days tell you what he thinks about staff reviews them that quickly then they give you their opinions so I don't know why we should extend that 90 I think 90s too long that's going to really slow us down that's our only comment but yeah we could we can live with a reasonable number otherwise we're fine with exactly these terms so mr. - I don't believe you had the opportunity for Obama do you have anything just trying to keep IIIi did a zoning area in Colorado last night flew the red-eye back to be here I'm going on

36 hours so I might get a little here pretty quick thank you Thank You mr. chairman so it sounds like we're okay with the everybody agrees so the one section wasn't came to that actually the buffering that we spoke about for the two homes I don't have any of objections from the Commission or the applicant we're good we're good on the buffer really good he read it out I'm sorry they're trying to do you may have been in the engine trouble or any other condition the the applicant agrees to provide additional buffering along the western boundary of the MGP adjacent to to existing homes as determined by the county administrator or designee at the time of PSP / PDP approval the applicant agrees to submit a buffering plan for the western boundary to the owners of the two existing homes for comments at least 60 days prior to the date of the PSP / PDP approval I think the same timing issue would be our concern there well this is at least 60 it's giving you more time sorry yeah 45 days on both of those for them to review and get comments back are you listening your time I think you're letting your own time no wait wait no no he has to provide it at least 60 days prior to the time that the PSP is approved so it's it's the time that those two residents get it so you're listening your topic what you say they say at least 60 no he's wrong okay you know the time period that the residents have to have it before they can get a PSP approved it's 45 days yes I miss 160 days I'm requesting to match sync those up and for I think a 45 day review period how do i with that you know we may have to wait 45 days and that's fine it's reasonable 15 days okay thank you so this is my district and I'll make the motion to approve with all the new conditions yeah new conditions as read except inserting 45 days instead of 90 and 60 is that what the motion is right yeah that's okay didn't I say it like that and and supervised conditions but I want to make sure it's 45 because what was handed out to you it says 90 and then he read 60 so it's and for the record the applicant agrees with those conditions so I can't argue about them later and there will be a meeting with the residents okay I got a lesson in a second all those in favor say aye hi all foes likes an emotional past right take a break while these people no it's up to you chairman she's gonna quit she's gonna be quick