06.25.19 BOCC Workshop

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[Applause] all right well good morning board just one day this is our budget workshop to go through both the general fund and then high-level some of the enterprise funds and where we said as we get ready to set the trim get your next meeting in July and then of course in the public hearings in September so just real quick we handed out a few items for you this morning an updated PowerPoint that we made some very minor changes yesterday you may not even notice so someone were just formatting changes but when to have four make sure you have the latest a breakdown of the business plan initiatives with a little more discussion as we get into that slide the standard pro forma that we've used in the past currently updated and then the ranking sheet with all the general fund BPI is administer services from BPI so those those are in front of you there and with that at the table would make an air Breitenbach my assistant administrator for public I'm sorry internal services and then Bob Gordon I'm budget director and I'm gonna kick it over to Bob and let him kind of go through the presentation again we'll weave through kind of where we are from an economics perspective because that kind of always guides us from a budget perspective the draft budget where we are with respect to the general fund you know service fine and fire fund and they some of the BPI is and there's some the other major funds at a very high level and then we'll be ready for questions at any point just interrupt and we can dive into some of those questions so with that well thank you figure to Bob all right thank you good morning this morning we'd like to go through the draft budget proposed budget in preparation for the July 9th setting of the trim like get your input on the budget today so if there are any changes or any revisions you'd like to see the budget we can make those in time for the July 9th meeting what we'd like to do first is go through our what we call the Canaries in the coal mine so we have three measures that we keep track of and these things kind of portend if there's bad economic news coming they kind of tank before the economy tanked so it gives us a chance to respond get things in order before we actually see a recession or a downturn in the economy the first one is building employment activity as I'm sure you're well aware building permit activity is very strong it's up over last year and in fact building activity really starts to decline about three years before we see decline in the recession so right now building the permits are still on the increase and so we don't see any any problems in that area sales tax revenues as you can see sales tax revenue begins to decline also before a decline in the economy sales taxes are coming in about four four and a half percent over last year we expect that trying to continue and then finally is the trash that's collected you can see traffic drop-off just as the economy begins to drop off and because you know when people have

money they start replacing things to bind things when when things get tight they stop replacing things they hold onto things a little bit longer so there's less traction so we can see with the trash here that we're doing well people are still generating lots and lots of trash on one sense that's good another sense that's bad we can see here the taxable assessed values have returned to the levels finally where they were in 2008 at the end of the recession although we have a lot more people absolutely because it's also showing on this line yes and the bottom line there with the diamonds that's the population being show the population continuing to grow and so we think our assessed values are much more stable than they were in 2008 2008 there was a big housing bubble prices of housing that we're overinflated and saying now we've got more people in more houses we've got a more solid economic base and so we think this is not much more sustainable growth rate as you can see here Pascoe County for the most part provides municipal services to the residents of the county words of 90 percent and 91 percent of our folks do not live in a city and so Pasco County provides those municipal services so even with that if you look at the tax bill of Pasco County is about a third of those who would live in a large city in either Polk County Hillsborough or Pinellas County looking at the number of employees you can see the number of employees kind of bottomed out there in 2011 it 1995 and that was as a response to the Great Recession since then the number of employees has increased to about 2,500 this year and that increase is really due to the demand for service and that demand for services the increasing population if we look at those folks the the number of employees that have increased most of those increases are from Fire Rescue which makes sense as as we have more people we need more fire stations we need more services to them it's in the areas that the building department right and so the building part it's kind of self-sustaining fund and so they're actually paying for themselves as you know we went out and just closed on about sixty million dollars worth of obligation bonds an important step in that was to go to the creditor agency credit agencies on Wall Street and get a credit rating from him we went to visit Moody's and Fitch and we actually got upgraded from double-a three to double-a to buy the Moody's and Moody's and Fitch had very similar feedback for the county so when you when they give a credit rating they give you a report that explains why that report so they justify the report that they've given you the strengths that they've give in the county are as you see them here and as you can see the very first bullet point is the Moody's in particular recognized the activities by this board our Economic Development Department tourism and others to increase the diversity of our economic base and so you can see there that they're very impressed with

the economic diversity of the county if you read reports their feedback reports from 10 or 15 years ago they describe Pasco County as a retirement community or a bedroom community for Tampa so they're no longer describing Pasco County in those terms the second one is the growth in general fund revenue so the the Moody's and Fitch describe the general fund revenue as adequate at nine point six percent but they were very impressed by the actions taken by the board to agree to increase those general fund reserves they are impressed with the revenues so as our population increases our sales tax our property tax and those kinds of things is increasing and they believe it's increasing to the point where it's it is sufficient to cover our expenditures low debt levels so those are fixed costs and fixed costs are dangerous when you in an economic downturn so you've got to pay those fixed costs first and so that kind of hampers what you can do and so the final bullet point addresses that idea of fixed costs so I've got that in quotation marks because it's kind of funny I would not have worded it that way but this is right out of the report and basically what they're saying is because you have low fixed costs and your revenues and expenditures are where they need to be that the economy is in a very good place it would there's a lot of resiliency here so even in the time of an economic downturn if that would have happened they feel as though the county has enough resiliency to be able to respond to those any economic downturn so now just like to jump into the some highlights kind of the executive summary of the budget what we're seeing in the budget as you know under the save our homes provision if you have a homesteaded property that homestead property is capped at an increase of 3% or the rate inflation whichever is less the rate of inflation for the next fiscal year or the next tax year is about 2.7 percent so what that means for our residents is if you have $150,000 home you have $50,000 worth of homestead exemptions that means your taxable values is $100,000 so the two point seven percent increase your properties the taxable value of your property would increase by two thousand seven hundred dollars right and given the tax rate of seven point six zero seven six you would pay an additional twenty dollars and fifty four cents due to an increase in the value of your home not because there's any increase any increase in the taxable earned the tax rate for your property if you owned a non homesteaded property on the other hand it would that property the same $150,000 property would increase in value taxable value by thirteen thousand five hundred dollars which means your taxes would increase about almost 103 dollars just because of the increase in your property values not because there's any increase in the tax rate as we mentioned we're recommending no increase in the operating millage or the fire mstu millage so I'm gonna save our homes it's

three percent and you stay here or the change in CP I thought it was a three percent or CPA that's correct it's every pledge everyone is less yes so I thought would be three percent then where did I hear was gonna be three no yeah so it did not end up being Corina Zoe okay I just heard I just had heard that that was higher this year okay we have never been at three percent no no generally has been less than one percent to the past few years has been very very low okay so we're recommending no change in the stormwater assessment is $95 per home for you are you or for single-family home a seven dollar increase in the solid waste assessment for residents of Pasco County and this is two sets of monies aside to increase the capacity of the waste of energy plant proposed the utility increase according to the four-year rate resolution is about one and a half percent for water rates and three and a half percent for waste water if we look at our preliminary taxable assessed values increased at nine percent so that we get the preliminary assessed values and June we get the final assessed values July first we should be getting those at any moment now and so the base tax value increased almost 2.2 almost two and a half billion dollars the new construction value on the other hand increased the almost 1 billion dollars overall increased 9% or two almost two and a half billion dollars altogether if we turn to emergency reserves as I mentioned earlier the board at their February meeting agreed to increase the emergency reserves you can see we've increased it from nine point six to eleven point one percent for the general fund and a municipal services fund all other major funds are at the 16.7% of reserves as recommended by the government finance Officers Association if you remember when we did the revenue projection workshop back in February we thought that the taxable values might increase nine and a half percent or so the preliminary values were nine percent so the difference between those two is you can see the june 1 numbers at 9% would generate an additional two point six nine million dollars for the board so they overall increase in property taxes at nine percent increase in assessed value was about seventeen and a half million dollars of that we've agreed to split that 50/50 with the share so we agreed that eighteen point seven five million would go to the sheriff eight point seven five would go to the board and other constitutional officers from the board side we would reduce deduct that eight point seven five we would deduct the TIF and the CRA s of just over six million dollars so that leaves two point six million dollars in additional revenue for the board another constitutional to fund new initiatives so if we look at the tax increment financing areas we see the countywide TIF will generate at nine percent increase we've generated about twenty two point seven million dollars to be spent on transportation related projects the villages of Pasadena Hills six

hundred and eighty thousand dollars and then the LA cootchie area twenty five thousand dollars if we look at the Community Redevelopment areas we have four lows in the form of this county's largest cities and you can see overall in those areas two point five million dollars would be the price tag for all or those series but how you use corporation example how many residents 2500 mm that's 60,000 per resident that's what citizen is one more thing yes how many people in there thank you a hundred 2500 it's 300 bucks a person yeah well it can go all right if you look at the change in the major funds you see the major funds on the left hand side we see the increases all the way on the left hand side so the fiscal year nineteen adopted does that's the adopted it doesn't include any changes that might have happened throughout the year and then what we're recommending for fiscal 20 we see some of the major increases here building an inspection permitting fund an increase of 8% and that's simply because of the amount of activity in the building area there's more expenditures related to that to make sure we can process all of those permits and inspections it's all in a timely manner we have the fire fund at almost nine and a half percent and a lot of those were due to last year we added a number of new employees a lot of those employees came on midway through the year and in 2020 they'll be actually funded for twelve months of the year so that's a big portion of that increase oh go back to Turtles all the tax that's the tourism Reserve pretty much the same since I'm older yes we're picking that budget yes budget the budget yes but despite that's my fence is not necessarily rubber so if we look at a general fund sixty percent of the general fund is revenues are generated from the ad valorem taxes the intergovernmental revenue that you see there the next biggest slug of money that's from the hint half cent sales tax and state revenue sharing we look at the expenditures then from the general fund departments there's a lot going on in this chart here I'll just point out some of the big changes so the core technology that decreased by looks like a big number seven point eight percent but it's just a hundred thousand dollars and most of that is because a lot of the technology was purchased last year they're not going to make those purchases I'm sorry I'm here I head they were purchased in nineteen so they're not going to be making those purchases in twenty and so that's the reason for that decline facilities management you see they're eight percent decline actually that's it's kind of it looked a little odd because what we did was we carried over money from eighteen into nineteen that hadn't been spent in eighteen so there's actually four million dollars that we carry over from one year to the next and so that money being spent in nineteen course will be carried over under twenty we see the HR there it had 22% increase the reason for that is because the expenditures for the

88 compliance used to be its own reserve and now it's part of the HR budget so that was the reason for that increase of course medical examiner at almost a 20 percent increase just because we have more people that means there's higher need for autopsies it's done yes just one thing this is further for Japanese I've been here you guys have run so thin and you're only asking for it no barely any treats at all so we appreciate everything that you do and your team continues to do something but this is me personally speaking here I don't think you're gonna enjoy that's pretty consistent basis of your team and ours in the attorney review that's where I think you know yeah look after your people I appreciate that we have a vacant slot that we haven't filled with before it was kind enough to fill to authorize last year we didn't fill it because we're in the middle of renovation right enemy didn't have anybody I didn't feel it was fair to put somebody coming back and so once that lawyer comes on board reevaluate yeah that's what weaknesses are that we need to in the same thing have we taken care of the problem where your attorneys were going for their continuing education they were having to pay for down there oh boy yes you took care of that yeah well they weren't having to pay for it they were having to pay for travel under the old budget cuts for themselves we were taking here the cost of the seminars but now we allocated well if you allow me to towards it there on the open market you know different prizes the private practice like over in fact you know appreciated thank you we received all the budgets from the constitutional officers with the exception of the tax collector and state statute to tax collectors but this is not due to August first but we've got all the others just man can we go back to parks and recs okay I'm very concerned we're going backwards we're not yeah well I'm looking at a negative it appears as though it's going backwards and what's happening here is we've actually had to take a step back because of the revenues we were going to generate from the from the fees for the of the link fees and so we didn't have the revenues to bring on those resources and so those are budgeted but for half of the year this year so the revenues are down so that just now we couldn't bring all those resources for a full year the other thing we did is the GAO had consistently over the last few years added an additional million dollars to cover differed maintenance that's part of its base budget now so that additional money that you had historically put in there to help with deferred maintenance that's actually part of its base budget now and because the capital bond took some little projects out of his in it now we're paying for him was a general obligation bond his buy down of the long-term maintenance is less and so he reality

so there's so many capital needs in there yes but that was a different maintenance thing that was not a capital so I would say they're still we want splashed parts and we have bike trails coming on that we need management of okay so you see sheriff's budget increased by about six almost six point six percent property appraiser and a clerk's budgets increase very minimal amounts and that's basically your pay raises for employees you can see the supervisor of election budget an increase of sixteen point nine percent which at first blush is is a shocking increase but when you think the supervisor election has a cyclical budget one year they have elections and next year it's down and we got some data from the tax collector so if you think about the number of residents about 50,000 new voters a year coming into the county that need to be serviced that required an increase in the number of precincts from 110 213 the most of the 60% of the voters vote either early voting or vote by mail so that caused an increase in expenditures the early voting sites for the next election will be increased from 8 to 11 and the days that the early voting sites are open will be open from eight days to 14 days to allow those crowds to get through there in a timely manner the vote by mail requests in 2016 were 68,000 vote by mail and in 2019 we're expecting that to increase to about 90,000 so given all those things that's the reason for that increase there and it's a bunch of smaller so when you see a member yes 16 percent was the dollar number is not quite as much as and what you mean we found with him staff and went through kind of line by line his request and what they justified Jim yeah I just said I did talk supervisor pulley as well and the general election is the biggest push but why we're easy to cover them and having been out there for several runs with people wait in line I realized oh yeah we believe it's a reasonable request Oh question on some of these others do they say the property appraiser I can't recall I don't use this his business but do they generate they generate fees they do generate fees and so their fees don't cover there no not like the tax collector so if we look at a number of required expenditures in the budget these are the things that the state has required the county to to absorb we look at some of those to the tune of about 18 almost 19 million dollars we have our Medicaid match for the state 7.3 million dollars burials 116,000 Bay care for mental health and rehabilitation 1.2 million and so on you look at our municipal services fund the revenue sources for this the biggest source is 31 percent of our revenues come from chargebacks to other funds so the folks in the municipal services funding if you work on behalf of another fund those charge backs come back to that for example code enforcement does some work for the building fund building fund then pays their that portion of their salary that's devoted to building kinds of

things we look at our municipal services fund the major departments in that fund we can see the increase in the decrease the the major one that pops out at you here is Fire Rescue it looks like it's decreasing by 32 percent but the reason for that is because a lot of what was in the fire rescue administration budget is actually should have been charged to the fire fund so most of the expenditures are 5050 between the municipal services fund and the fire fund for administrations many of those cost particularly around vehicles was not split 50-50 so once we split those expenditures it just made it appear as though that's a big big decrease really those those expansions were just shifted from municipal services to the fire so if we look at some of the infrastructure investments being made in this fiscal year 2020 budget we look at the 2.7 million dollars for repairs and other capital improvements to existing infrastructure buildings and so on in the county about you over a million dollars worth of that will be spent on sheriff type facilities we will continue to fund 1.15 million dollars for the facilities master plan 1.6 million dollars for IT infrastructure and about a million dollars as Dan mentioned that million dollars in deferred maintenance that was always in their budget and since we got the general obligation bond that was going to repair a lot of those projects that was funded by the Geo bond we allowed the parts to say ok if you had this million dollars how would you spend it and so a piece of that about 300,000 of that it's still going to maintain deferred maintenance but mainly for those things that aren't covered by the bond so you have things like painting and sod and doors things like that that aren't capital repairs but still need to be done stat about 300,000 of that will go towards those kind of projects and then the remainder of it will go to additional staffing to help maintain the kind of the progress we've been making in in keeping up with all that maintenance so now I would like to turn to the business plan initiatives in the general fund and the municipal services fund we received 115 BP eyes all together as we mentioned earlier we asked our departments to go out and tell us everything that they believed they needed in the past what we found was that our apartments were kind of censoring themselves they would say during the year they know some things and we say well why didn't you request that well I didn't think I don't money for that so we said this year tell us everything that you think you might need and throw it out there so we've given you that in this list this is everything that we've received from the department's from for their BPI request what we've got here is we ranked the top 50 and we believe depending on how much money the final assessed values bring in we can adjust this line so we've we've ranked about 50 of these proposals that we think are the most important those are the priority proposals we've ranked them so we have a nine percent cut line and a nine and a half percent cut line

if the cut line is more or less we simply go up the line and just begin cutting so as you can see we've gone over all of these with you before so I don't want to spend a lot of time on this just put this for the folks in the audience just hit a couple of high points you can see the first two there are the wage increases for the general employees and the fire/rescue employees the union employees we're in the middle of a society now to look at the comparisons of compensation between Pasco County and surrounding counties and these are the numbers that were suggested by that classification study you can see the libraries were going to be opening the last of the three libraries to restore them to the full hours that they were in 2008 I believe Monday when they rolled those back so just as a reminder the board before we ever start any of these BP is by going to 11.1% in the general fund fund reserve you've already packed four point three million into your fund balance and your savings account before you ever start to take it any BPI so you are a set-aside four point three million and your fund balance so just want as a reminder you know you see a lot of things here we ranked a lot but you've already the unranked BPI on that list is that fund balance point four nine point six to the 11.1 percent and that was about four point three million dollars which was what helped us get the lower bond rating your good bond ratings that kind of commitment so you see on the second page of the display initiative list where like to add to code enforcement officers in fiscal twenty-two add a project manager for the facilities Department so we have we have lots and lots of projects like a project manager to come and move those projects alone we've got a market area plan in the budget we have a couple of master gardeners and there's a large number of master gardeners we would like to have in the Department of extension area someone to manage those trained them send them out on on jobs and so on something the bottom line is you know we're in the middle of the Starkey ranch development and construction near the end the next fiscal year is about the time we need to bring somebody on to start putting together the operating piece of that so that's why that's almost a solo because it's late in the fiscal year but that's why it's on the watch and this is the list for the nine percent if the Cessna is increased by nine percent these would be the business plan initiatives that are funded for those if it increases the nine and a half percent those are shown on the second page of the sheet here go back to the finish line so the market every plant okay you know when I looked at this that thing the first thing that jumped up me and I share with staff was the market area plan we've done plans up and down all over the county etc and you know I brought up that I hear about the boat fees a few years ago and try to look it through trying to walk it through and I've given up on that a just because they've also got up the

imbalance from the inside people in the boats and the waters on the Lake City not ever hit it but I really think we should I mean we've got great coastal places we've got channels that need to be dredged on with just a main shelf with the sidelines and I really would like to us take a look at putting a plan together even if it comes to another tax increment program for that area and that's to you or something to get them to fund themselves but to put something together there's so much value that's there but when you good I give it at every light West bloodrider welcome all it's like a foot foot and a half of water they can't get out Gulf Harper's got a couple of spots lots of channels got some issues these are beach leader in their area or sea pines another one so I think we can really elevate our tax base if we make the Gulf Gulf access of a better way to go so if I'm going to put money in there the market area plans I'd like to say at least one year just go study occurs right now we had that of money we're going to use for the dredging of Gulf harbors and studying for about honor grants we had to pull it because the wave whose bid doesn't fall in line with the RESTORE Act money wind only it's another year to go forward with it Mobley said a lot of BP money that's still coming we can use for a partial funding as well as this tax increment planet what does the blood think about actually taking a look at the channels at least let's go to find out what it may really cost to go forward with it so are you saying that word or not then they go out to bid with that country I mean it's that I'm just looking for a different way to pick we're looking for a different way to contract it yes ma'am yeah so we're still gonna do that study so this just that's why that says market area plan just a little more definition of that that is you know we have the harbor's area plan that's pretty well developed for the harvest area this is to look at the next plant on the list which is a gateway crossing plan and develop that in such a way that it to the extent that the harbor's area plants developed right and so there's a lot of you know high-level long-range planning effort that is really a general fund activity that goes into that and that's what this is well so I think what correct me from our lunch I think what he's talking about is doing a high-level study of all the canals along the codes that are at unincorporated Pascal County not just the two main ones that are part of the RESTORE Act what's the balance all say okay what would it take and then what can be some strategies to to fund that right I think that's that's if I kind of interpret it correctly that's that's kind of what that is now again that's that would be you know fun type of activity if you want to do that to actually do the dredging as correct correct we didn't just set the plan to figure out what possibly could cause they'll put a plan together in front of the people to say okay here's what we can do good for the cost how we're gonna fund it and then we can reach out to

them I mean literally every voting person I talked to along the coast loved the idea of putting extra money into it to help us they were willing to do that everyone I talked to as well as really talked about along their their channels which they live in water they were willing to participate as well I mean Gulf when he was ready to was doing an assessment other people are so yeah so I mean Billy's blood people work with like I'll tell you but for you guys the first time I've ever seen that comes like that everything out there s I'm swinging the view from we need protector to make it better we don't but we have we have a hundred thousand set aside from restore that we can use we just have to bid it differently than we did before so I think we should and that's that's really on the two main channels you know harbors it's not focused on all the side channels that are in fact a residential houses you know it's not focused on that that hundred grand is really for those two main channels it's not to develop a for lack of actor of a master plan if you will it's for all the channels I chose with waves and some options for the board to work funny now key I mean so we up but we also don't have a gateway crossing plan either and that's an area that's you know really developing fast you know and so yeah almost two separations right so if you look at those two channels especially the Hudson channel okay that's something that the county that's more public area we'll have to participate dredging you have to so I wouldn't have any wells looking at how to finance that especially since you're saying they're going to go yeah for what it's two separate no it's two separate issues we had a contract that we thought we could award through a piggyback did unfortunately that original contract was not restore act eligible so we're having to go back try to find either a the current which so I feel a little contractor go out on the street for a restore at contract for that what commissioner is talking about is actually a different one that would look at the balance of the coast if you will to develop kind of a high-level plan along with some funding options for the board to evaluate so that's that's one option I was a our priority would be to we have one of the five market areas actually planned in this county our party would be to what this came would to do the second one the Gateway crossings plan and develop that to the level the harbors plan is developed so that's what this BPI is notice I think what the Commissioner is suggesting is to switch that out and instead of that do a dredging well use that money to do it overall dredging it's a fifty sixty four yeah just to clarify my statements yeah nothing I'm trying to even abandon the other one for when I first look at that this is okay we've done all the studying on the southern already let's go really look it's a coaching to take that next step I don't wanna just go put another

study on the table putting the clause in sit I wanna do something doesn't get a plan and now that we've got these things working on there's nothing safe it can't be both of them but I just that's the first thing that came to mind when they saw her and sat down with staff what about what we've done we're already trying to make something work it didn't work that way let's run away you know we added that extra money and the tourism that's right yes for additional boat you know to look at additional boat ramps order and so I wonder if some of that money can be added into a look well part of the reason we want to look at that why not you know it's a do folk dance and so we need to know where and how and how many we should do shouldn't shouldn't be the upcoming scallop season traffic be would we need to assess what we need to really sustain that and grow that I wouldn't I think I think your your the number of boat ramps was different than the Georgina's that off main channel canals right right I think what we're talking about is a master plan for the coast which includes both grants and dredging and what else I mean I think we should think big you know one of the things that we're talking about it anklet River Park is a on the water I mean what what can we do to maximize the economic value of our coastline and I do think that involves tourism efforts and residential efforts no I keep in mind some of that money is already spent to kind of be a lot of money's gonna be spent an Anglo you know Keith team has a plan on additional properties that we own that they you know kind of we talked about the access coming out by like where you live right there in a little canal kind of we own that property there or maybe having a boat ramp there just talking out loud we do need more access I don't necessarily disagree with looking at maybe a plan I don't really think it's worth hiring consultants I think Keith and his team ourselves or programs I know that I know what we've looked at it we need more centralized instead of and Claude Hudson Port Richey I know we're trying to work with Port Richey hopefully with the new mayor we can sit down again and discuss what we can do together because I know they don't have the funds maybe we do to help I think even though it support Ricci if we were to help them financially to expand that ramp and make it you know an A+ ramp I think the board again I don't have to go to the board for approval but I guess my question is with a hundred thousand how do we get this situation over delayed six or nine months did we not include the federal lobbyists to say hey what do what's the right way to do this with the restore that person we didn't yeah she was chair so if the board okay let us figure out what a high-level dredging master plan would kind of cost right outside that lender part of the outside outside the outside the RESTORE Act and then whether that's a one-year deal or a phased approach

over a period of years figure out what that is keep this in for gate with crossing because I think we we really need to finish that plan and then depending on where Gary comes back whether it's nine nine and a half or more than nine and a half maybe there is some flexibility there at that point to fund part of that master plan effort that makes that make sense and we were part of our thoughts for us if he came in over nine and a half then that money could go to capital projects right because those are one-time expenses this is effectively a one-time expense to kind of figure it out so that that would kind of fall into that realm if he came in at over nine and a half I personally think it's bigger than just dredging so we've got we need increased voter access we need dredging what other men what what else do we need on the coast we bought that property over by is an American market we used to keep our boat there what does that property at that Rocky Creek right no not Rocky Creek no it's Rock Creek right next to American marina okay so we bought that problem you know what have we done with it have we develop any kayak launches or paths for people to you know on the blue trail that goes around the state they could camp on and we've done nothing with that property then I look at sup the water boys we should be working with our legislators to get amenities into Werner boys we have a lot of opportunity on the coast that I don't think we've maximized that no one is taking a look at comprehensively so I think dredging is just a small part of it sure if I could and I don't see why if we're gonna talk about the ramp expansion and talk about kayak just boater access because obviously it's important I think you guys know I talk about all time for those of you have boats pretty much we all do he's got a new bill coming but it's I mean it's important maybe we can use some tours of money because it is it is late to maybe do a study you know again I don't like spending a lot of money on studies but I don't want to be sitting here saying well I think it's one we don't know the magnitude of the cost Yeah right to do it in two we need to bring you some options on how to fund it right because I think I've heard various ways to do it but we probably need to bring you some it's part of that and so whether it's partner residual to so so so the 13 companies the dredging piece itself is a public works activity the master plan that the Commissioner is kind of talking about with amenities everything else is really a parks tourism combination right so so one chapter if you will is dredging and that's really a public works I know maybe because it's a transportation network it just happens to be water instead of roads the the things the commissioners talking about or with respect to boat ramps and access it really a parks the periphery type discussion which would be a high level umbrella which is separate then look at

how do we do the dredging piece up and down the coast and incorporate Pasco County so let us take that for action kind of develop maybe a strategy to do that and then bring that back to the board whether we increase or apartheid to this budget or not would kind of give you some ideas between now and September about I think that happened chairman if I could I think when you do involve like our state and federal legislature because it's kind of a life safety issue and I vote all the time out here I've seen the canals he's talking about Hudson Canal was done terrible with federal dollars back before of us here meets - you've been out taking the old channel that was dreadful for it's just it's terrible people can't get out to fish to work to make money not to mention again life safety can't maybe get in if there's an emergency they can't even get in the canal so something needs to be done but I would hope federal dollars could help well I think I just don't see an MS to you or an MS be you my opinion passing maybe it will maybe we do it and we like them let the voters vote or let the residents vote on it and if they want it then so be it but I don't know that it would but it's needed I mean there's no doubt all right you know who knows what's gonna happen but frankly I'm looking at whatever options are out there as to make it a work if there's a strong demand for it I mean the Hudson channel like you said that was actually approved before I was elected I get to negotiate a lot of the terms that listen to the people who complain about it work with DEP got very little accomplished other than those secret zones and the size of people could go out for the safety though under the static but even we had to like strike it down from five foot depth to 0.75 no new still that rocks in there so I mean these are things that are the actors developer related but I'll tell you this another benefit to that self they were looking at solar dredging thing if you look at saw Ritchie we got a big corporate shell fall that's down there now we got five million dollars we just got them to reach the rack that's going to help us from Magnolia Valley thing down but if you look at this five different little canals that are there that all reach that a part of it they're at locked up and as they've locked up they're slowed down as far as the silt it can get up DDP Swift mod says put us a plan together to go forward with with for bridging all the stuff don't know I haven't got a plan back hopefully tonight's meeting is a stepping stone to coming up with something but if we can look at this we might even be go to the RESTORE Act with pop to money which is more environmental and if they look at storm water flushing to be important for water get in and out of these canals which we heard about Gulf harbors and golf I Gulf landings all the way through if that's something to be incorporated to that could be a whole another partly but I can tell you from what I've learned if you don't have a full study together to

what the costs going to be what the benefits gonna be doing forward you're not gonna get to mind so this investment coming up is critical from everyone I've talked to they want to see better cut off the excess and then is it brain acid up and down this whole state of Florida but we don't capitalize on it because of the handicaps we've got and we can I think inexpensively at least make this first step and then go to the people's okay how do we want to make this work on July 10th I have a meeting with our federal lobbyist in the coastal and the coastal guy and if we publicly notice it and anyone else who wants to be in their meetings you're welcome that's good and we can talk about these things and learn about what what might be out there I know we learned that our NPO meeting of lots of funding sources that I think maybe start looking at a different area under some of ours that don't have you know beaches or beach access ie Crystal River OSs with that / - geez bees don't have any local beaches either like what they're doing it does that's I think good happy with other people are doing similar so I think we have direction we could we want something all right thank you Hey the other one so during the budget process we've got a number of requests from outside agencies for the county to assist them with funding the first is Endowment for senior services there's been a grant proposed to help feed the elderly in the eastern part of the county and the county's portion there in order for that money to come the counties the charity is asking for the county to match $60,000 we have the Coalition for the homeless is asking to fund wireman employee and you you are already met with the board it kind of went over exactly what that well very high love well not necessarily into the details that about this but only as part of the budget process okay so does everybody in that amount because it was it was more but I mean we we happen we had a good fundraiser with fede pass goes out of the lake we happen to raise another 35,000 so we have about 150,000 on the bank so it might even be less than sixty but basically we're looking at two hundred thousand dollar endowment a match so it's a no-brainer in my opinion that it's free money that we you know we're gonna get back that goes directly to our seniors which is what feeding fast goes that will he does which is a nonprofit that no one gets paid at all we're all volunteers so just just wanna make sure thank you so we have the request to fund one employee for a Coalition for the homeless the premier health care grant they they came in made a presentation you do what your last meetings also pull several money down and then the United Way so we currently fund the United Way to the tune of 300 thousand dollars per year the United Way's ask for an additional 150,000 to bring that total to four hundred fifty thousand dollars a year so that total request a six hundred twenty-five thousand we felt if the current emergency reserve at 11.1% if we took that reserves to 11 point zero

percent that would free up four hundred and thirty thousand dollars that could be used to fund any of those that you so felt needed to be funded in and again at distance money so what it was the citizens it was it was different why we're insane wine which is why this is it's up here and again the one from nine point six percent to 11 percent is a five year at the white slope to get to sixteen point seven so weather why 11.1 is where we'd like to be if the board is comfortable eleven percent we would be comfortable 11 percent and use that Delta if you will to help find some of these you know they get you'd say no to all I mean I'm perfectly happy at 11.1% fun dolls to either way is a five-year glide slope to the 16.7 mr. Gerron to two suggestions in the past our constitutional said come to us with requests or outside funding and I would suggest that 150 that's the pot so if they come to us without slight funding requests if they don't we have that you know we can fund it from the money that they've been you know picking their own charities with goodbye I don't know what that member was last year but do you recall 100,000 from the clerk and the clerk 54 unite that wasn't that wasn't money that was in our budget that was family that she made it right I'm saying no so it's it's it's money that they are requires that I really turn to you in the air if they don't spend we have we built a net of running average is built into your budget what gets returned every year so that's already building on the budget so that's the running average is about 2.6 million total is what we've been receiving from them all of them what I love the wait there were two parts to money when I think and I there's something that's not in this budget the I would like to see back and that is our outside legislative person I think I think we do better when we have some help I'd like to bring that back so we get we need yes so I'll get with the match 60 I said your premier 150 it's 210 that's him I know what to marry at you you know I'm 100% with the senior services something feeding his testicles Emily's done a great job raising money creating awareness as well they can thoughts about supportive as well but it's we gonna get a match like that 5050 that's easier you know one thing for me a health care I mean they do a good job you know from the workshop we have in the presentation he came forward let's say you know I wanted to make sure that he was reaching out and he has reached out to the hospital the hospitals have to give a lot of money that they put in towards it plus they do intend treating so you know they're doing their part it's just separate way of doing it so it's not like he didn't even try to get the money but I think it's syllable of the meaning I think that premium deserves more than the rest and if it's matching when if they get as well to help this it's more than it's more than one to one that they pulled it's like 15 or something another doctor for the senior services thank you are not Christian was been very instrumental

in obtaining that for us so thank you so much for that that's to me as a no-brainer the premier health I've had the opportunity to be visiting and working a lot lately with Joey and I've been very impressed with what they do for our community frequently just remember you find that this year you're gonna be finding it next year because this is going to be continuation this is not a just a one stop date they're going to be asking us on - so keep that in mind never remind everybody that you know this board okay we didn't come to a commitment we want to start putting money back in reserves we need to get there's a long queue made up we should start communicating about you know helps me with the moderator things like that but again you know I know what where's our website look Kimberly for the team and there was a lot of things as I think we all agree that needed to be done because we were coming at and obviously their possession is a terrible economic times so it's a lot of ketchup we had to do so there was a necessity to spend money but a bit of money in different areas to get our services up to the lovely for me to be again I think everybody's done a great job and I see Heather never seminarian she she had to walk through that with all of us over that time frame to now again I think it is time that we need to start putting money away because we do not know how long does it create a classroom we just don't know you can't get yourself stuck you know if one of they tell you level of service where we are down five or six or seven Bishop yeah we're gonna have to what happens to the funds to pay for if God okay they may be in the same situation we were in the past where you're laying off hold that's right so it is going to be in worse shape because we have to subsidize folks right here this is reality so and I just we're always going to have requests and there's going to be I see the long list I haven't printed out here before the L stick if I ask for it the request to the United Way gimmick it's never would it and get there's a thirst but there's a point where you don't have to say no to some folks it's just the way it is and I know something folks don't like to hear this and they said look perhaps but it isn't about trying to sell a anyway but when you decide to start a not-for-profit okay you need to be ready to be able to raise the money get the money in to fund their services okay that's a fact some of the folks on here I mean look what they're asking okay the great programs but at the same time maybe some of them not as much as ever right you decide to start something and you can't handle it's time to move on especially we have duplication we have so many duplication of services in this county it's incredible some of these folks you can come together egos get your way sometimes it's a fact you know I'm better than this one I'm better than this charity but you all do the same things sometimes I think you

just come and get to work together and work out so much better in the long run - they do so you know just a nickel and dime so again I would like this deal with the endowment I think giving Chimaera portion of it we came from 350 a couple years ago I even said he did come in earlier which they did but again 150 and United Way nice so momentum he's a great guy the same time I did tell him we do a better job of going out amazing yourselves he agreed he said they were going to hire somebody to help those Emperor's hi give him the 250 they've got me towards the 250 they've got each year there's 300 350 to 50s for their or to their what they used it for 850 million for our request so we need to get this this reservist back so I'm gonna agree with Mike and about the United Way just so y'all know this happened before I got here but then you might recalled the county used to be the one who decided who got all the outside funding no we pointed the idea went that it was going to go to United Way and the United Way had a committee and they would pick everybody good so we are kind of starting to see ourselves build up starting to get where we're doing both again and I think you have to be very careful that slippery slope and I agree I talked to the United Way gentleman and he agreed they're outside they're funding their solicitation for funds from the private sector has it's not worth making and that's really where they need to go and and you know when the first year I was elected we were still Dillon dealing with the budget crisis and I remember when the senior services needed to money to get people off the waiting list and we suggested please start a not-for-profit I know people would give to that charity and and they will step up and and so that we have the feet in Pascal sounds of elderly and they do a great job so our community has grown there's a lot of opportunity for new people that have moved here to get involved with some of these not-for-profits so I'm gonna I'm gonna go with what Commissioner Moore has suggested but i but i also want to keep our eye on outside agency up the other constitutional request I think that I think we need I think that's another slippery slope we need to be careful not to go down that's a new thing that's happening in the last few years didn't happen before and we need to care about those as well chairman so mr. Starkey is unclear see here okay giving premier 150,000 yeah I'm I would I wouldn't even like to give him two but I mean they're so needed and holiday there's nothing else there but I think I think you know if we get more money back maybe we can things changed with the number from the property appraiser and what the constitutional is give us back maybe there's more room but I do think we need an outside legislature outside legislate and dan dan just so I'm clear with the United Way we in the budget we're assuming 300,300 thrilled down looking

and so I think my suggestion would be maybe let's give it here is wait let's see what the inter-service talk strongly community ma20 if they leave me out hunter could come back and ask for it next year that's going to be my suggestion as a board member and I think they need to get that higher development person they are on board big things come on that's just a suggestion I'm comfortable with the 60 premier health care that was probably the best of the far as the mattress go I'm okay with it 150 for them far as United Way goes I mean I will tell you my conversation with felons marriages shows I had was told they're gonna focus on raising my and that was gonna be the approach so for me to actually see that even up there was like some very surprising to me I didn't expect you see that so I think they can do more and again if it's comes to choices years ago when the economy had dropped down there was a big battle stars how much money should United Way get I pushed for more funding when the economy dropped figure we had to increase for services that's time was supposed to go down that number supposed to drop down it's definitely not happening there say nonprofits keep on coming and keep on asking then making some decisions on how to spend the money they've got it I think stick within their realm look we've gotten and work with that they do a lot of great things it is a tough decision making process but the more you give the more the aspen to keep on coming anyway I think I know what we need to build a cuz budget and you if as if the revenues get tweaked a little bit as we up between now September we'll bring you that to discuss how you want to deal with that very good someone's bringing up the data with the general obligation bond is you know we closed on June 19th on 61 point seven million dollars worth of bonds got those bonds of very good rates between three point three percent three point one eight percent for each of those bonds you can see on the millage rate in the center column there go to approve millage rate for each of the bonds and then at the very right hand column the calls per household that's on a typical one hundred thousand dollar home in the county and so total as a result of borrowing that 61 million dollars is three dollars and forty eight cents first single-family home keep in mind the first year of this bond is interest only so the second year the bond will be interest and principal and so that number will increase to about six dollars and fifty cents next year just based on the taxable assessed values we had enough so it'll almost double next year because of the principle being added into the debt service that's annual st. those are a no cost very much absolutely remind this is the first of five three four plant cells yeah I think it works out yeah I think it's between 2008 based on the interest rate that we got and some of the things that we got based on the you know the new bond rating it it may

come down from what we were telling everybody prior to the election so we get some very good information yeah so I've been look at the fire fund and look at the nine percent increase in the fire fund because of the property taxes assessed value increase that is a three point eight six million dollar increase in revenue for the fire ms2 you so of course the fire I miss to you if you look at revenues and expenditures most of their revenues come from property taxes over eighty percent of their revenue is from property taxes and then 80 percent or more goes it's just to the suppression piece of the fire so if we look at the additional initiatives or enhancements for the fire rescue in 2020 we have the IEF pay scale adjustment so that's based on the classification study and that's negotiated with the ia the Left we have the EMS quality assurance initiative based on the increase in the transport fees this funded number of initiatives to improve EMS services throughout the county we have fire station remodels which for five of the stations in the fire training center and those are funded to the general obligation bond and then the new fire stations for those funded through the general obligation bond so those bonds will fund the station improvements the station construction as well as the equipment to go into those stations so we look at our building inspection and permitting fund revenues of course more than half the revenues come from building permits and the remainder of it comes from licensing fines and other kinds of fees we look at the permitting it all goes towards permitting and inspection activities these about these news stations until we position yeah so they're five rebuilds is part of the bottom right rebuild training center and there's four brand-new stations these are four brand new stations no and that's the general location we're working on the specific parcel right now yes sir yeah Ryan it will be opening 38 within the next 30 I think 45 days so there'd overpass it early so in the building inspections of permitting fund we've built up a fund balance of over 20 million dollars we believe we need to maintain about a five million dollar fund balance there so we're suggesting over the next four five six years to begin spending down those fund balances to bring it down to the five million dollar mark where it needs to be I mean to clarify why bops had spending what he means is reduce the fees were collecting over the period of time so that we actually probably fare about a period about five years operated and deficit until we get back into balance if you will and we'll be bringing that to the board here the next thirty to sixty days anyway itself but that gets us on par with where we should be we should not be building up a funhouse in that account right it's supposed to pay for services and so we will be returning that as part of fee reduction though in next period of years miss Jenna yes tomorrow I think Hillsborough County when they had found they hinted this a

few years ago that numbers were up so high they actually just started charging like 60 percent of what their perming that the numbers said to be that's the plan is to doing across-the-board reduction similar diabase don't worry the fund offices I think the quicker we get down the better off we have to keep everything new and we'll momentum that we've got chairman good timing here with this I've been waiting so you know like Sunday I was driving out in an area it doesn't matter where and I saw somebody doing a roof obviously me thinking they probably unpermitted there on the weekend so we got Don's guys out there yesterday morning sure enough the whole house is being done a permanent so so it's it's a it's a huge issue it happens all over this county mainly on the west side and again there's what hurt what upsets me is there's legit folks out there that are doing it legit most folks are hurting everybody so obviously I'm pinning unpermitted works an issue are we able to out of this fee have minimum a couple more minimum housing folks have code I know does a great job working with Donna's team but you know when you got the unlicensed contractor I play there's only one gentleman we need to play more with that as a county we are again values are back people are buying the flipping these houses selling them we need to do a kiss code what happens now is obviously we'll get what code code I'll get with Don's team to where we need to be more proactive within a set of reactive where code knows what I believe they know it I know we have to new code officers but we need to do more with this the unlicensed contract so there is an additional position for a field investigator for unlicensed contractor but if you feel that's again we're talking about using the permit fees that we you see we have plenty money in reserves for I think that this would pay for itself in a month I don't know what the numbers should be dying I don't want to put you in the spot but I would think we need more than one okay well well maybe one three and while we could do this a district and so what we could do is you see the file fight field inspectors that we're gonna fund but we're gonna watch the Washington again like Liz here where we funded inspectors but but hire them as we saw the market continuing to go up this is not one where those five inspectors get hired right away it's at will watch the market over the next nine months and make smart hires we could take one of those or two of those and hire as field of investigators and then change back to building inspectors depending on what the markets doing so we could do that well I know this comes into Jeff's round with with Christy and I know she's working with Keith and Tiffany you know where that is okay great since you guys have all sat down and work together but I just think that they're overwhelmed and we know it's happening unfortunately we have to hold these people accountable I know the couple of stings we've had

with the Sheriff's Office and everybody's been unbelievable but we should be having those like every month right you know we can do that I mean we have five fields inspectors built into the budget but we're gonna hire them based on watching the market and watch the inspection roll over a percentage and making sure we stay in decent customer service Lola service we can always hire those a couple of those to be field investigators and as we watch the permitting move them back into building what I would like to see maybe if you can get with Don and Jeff and figure out the number and let us know because I can tell you they could make it spend full time sitting at Lowe's and Home Depot you know that the folks that come in that don't have a license number a business no more on their truck and follow to the damn job I'm just I'm being honest so yeah the unlicensed job you know mr. chairman may may also say we need nights and weekends you drive along nineteen but on the weekend all the cars are out on the on the public right away and they pull them in Sunday night and a lot of stuffs that went on at night and on the weekend so we gotta get those things covers okay inspectors working on the weekends so they that weekend schedule yeah well I think we have some code guys working against - and we're working we're adding two more to the budget so we can work on that and again our teams do an unbelievable job of what they have but we've got to give them tools to succeed and I think that if we met when you talk to every employee that deals with they would agree and boys that live in the county or see it all the time as well they're good so public works just touching it on public works for 2020 we've got 21 and a half 21.6 lane miles had to be paved it's about 10 million dollars P vets there's 17 miles of roads in the P vast Department and as we talked about earlier will be setting aside some money for these design of the permanent West Side and East Side maintenance facilities and as as far as the utilities you can see the purple bars there represent the number of connections the increase in the number of connections since 2012 the number of connections is increased by 23% that orange line going across there is the number of FTEs you can see the number of SDEs hasn't kept pace is the number of connections in 2020 if we add the 16 FTEs that are requested by the onin portion of utilities that's that red line it doesn't close the gap but it does help us maintain those additional connections so the utility initiative requests operations and maintenance as requested 17 FTEs engineering to fiscal and business two and a half and so these left E's are everything from plant operators you can see the list on the bottom two mechanical supervisors and so on in the key there is to keep up with customer growth and not degrade their level of service that we're currently providing so when your customer growth has grown a certain rate that additional customer revenue will pay for the

additional positions we want to make sure we don't degrade our level of service across them across the enterprise and so the rate increase primarily been paying for the utilities capital projects you can see the R&R there are 32 projects at 3 net almost 3 and a half million the impact fees for projects at 19 point two million then we have two very large projects here the southeast wastewater treatment plant at Shady hills wastewater treatment plant that will be undertaken in fiscal 2000 mishit --iv again the solid waste disposal landfill they're requesting at 2 FTE one is for the new waste transfer site environmental compliance so overall three and a half ft is requested in the solid waste department next steps as we mentioned the vinyl tax will such values will be received on by July 1st we expect to get them sometime this week we up to July 9th meeting will be setting the trim for our folks out in the audience trim is stands for truth in millage and once we adopt that trim that's the millage rate that will be going into the next fiscal year with so we adopt a fiscal rate with this for a a millage rate that we will adopt in the previous year we'll actually set the millage rate in September in September the millage rate can be lower but cannot be higher than the trim that's been set in on July enough with that that's all we've got prepared we'd be happy to answer any questions that you have put sunscreen to pleasure don't couldn't I take a commissioner star question that that property that we bought on the west side for the maintenance facility what we what we do but we oversell it or if you still have it to the Nottingham property yeah we still we have tried to sell it twice we have not received bids either time so we still own so are we gonna put is that what this 1.2 is we're gonna build on it and consolidate public works because right now you have stormwater and no no we can the leaf shopping center are in trailers trailers here that are solid eight all that in addition to the thanks there's some other utility pieces it will be part of that as well from a side so the the money that we're putting away 1.1 I think it was for the facility's master plan yes ma'am is that money we're using here or some Enterprise Fund funding those pieces there so we're building up money to build our next building whatever it is the facility's master plan money you see is to do the smaller scale facility to capital projects that are too big for the O&M ease but but they're part of the overall master plans there's another line in there to actually update the facility's master plan countywide because the curve sounds since five six years old a lot of a lot of leadership has changed in the county still said it makes sense to revisit that master plan in addition to you on the Land O'Lakes area there's some sheriff's initiatives that are happening out there that weren't a vision there was no master plan that need to be accounted for so

that's what that does yeah so we don't talk about the new courthouse anymore and any other well though we think of buildings that will be discussed as part of the master plan you know right how do you update it yes ma'am that well that we need part of the update will be getting with all the stakeholders and asking them what their needs are does that make sense now versus should we just expand the east and west side courthouses there discussions that need to happen as part of that that's part of what that master plan read this is the part where I think we County fell on its face when back in the time when we were getting a lot of money and not putting any aside they you know they they lowered the millage rate like a rock without putting any money aside for a long long term planning and and then we got hot you know with a military of five five something when and then save our homes came in unlike other counties around us that didn't rock down that low we did not put any reserves away for the long-range plan so the capital yeah but we're forgetting it certainly Divac with looking at the long-range plan now that we got rid Road hopefully coming to September so that's yes it's gonna be I think some great alternatives for us to have that road going back and forth so easy to go from the trailer over to here but even to like now you can say okay let's just go put it over there so I think it's gonna help us a bit with the master plan so encouraged with that as far as the GT Hills wastewater treatment plants I've heard from a lot of folks up on County Line Road where you know Hernando's booming up there I said I just said years we're going to throw some of the Commission we should be looking to the north because we don't want to end up like Hillsborough to the northern part where all of a sudden with gathering on the traffic we're and the stuff they get no coming out of it some little bit Parker I think especially from Conlon Road from Eagle it's a us 19 all the way over to 41 that's an area we should be looking at development is this area designed to serve that a bit or provide better professional tell me Mike so Mike are on the our services along the county line area between us and Hernando or are limited in some areas we have water service but we do not have sewer service we have an interlocal agreement with Hernando County where they take and treat our sewage but it is you know it's one of those things that we you know to speculate and and run utilities out there is that's kind of a mix it's a mix pact but in short we have some utilities in those areas mostly water we don't really have any wastewater utilities but again you have an interval treatment so it's it's a push and pull out there well my understanding is with the into local that we may have up there when it came down with the project was coming through maybe in a year or two ago they didn't want to cooperate with this one commission was friendly with it never shut it down and they couldn't do anything up there so if we're gonna

develop up there maybe there's a lot of great potential up there we're gonna need to run the lines up there as well ran through the water lines here but we need to do that so if we're going to be incorporating this expansion to plants I just want to make sure that we're putting the capacity in there they get a lot of that because eventually it's going to happen or I certainly look at that as part of our master time efforts around the facilities very close up there they're very close you have a lot of septic tanks up in that area as well and that there was really good soils up to so-and-so there's you know there's there's some moves at the state level of course with with removing septic tanks believe a part of that does fall into something spring shimano there there are thoughts and opportunities out there but it is vastly expensive especially the retrofit neighborhoods again we're happy to look at it as part of an expansion plan so right now the expansion plans for Shady hills are looking solely at the current level of growth which includes 54 corridor which is where a lot of that series does yes with London transportation talk money that could work with Hernando County and passive economy that room does get full thing going out in the Cross with that funding source it's gonna provide some good opportunities and people you're talking on the sub decide they have a tough time getting out of traffic it's dangerous up there trying to cross that Lane because it just doesn't break so I think is really new just taken a holistic look when we do our master plan to incorporate all those things in one of the thought if I could about other lands the land that we've bought on Fox Hollow when he was 19 we had facilities okay we had some stuff going his property that abuts it that I run on 19 what are we going to do that property as far as planning if we don't need it that may be some problem to put itself I've turned with the facilities that we've had several iterations of ideas to reutilize that property and I need to ask Andrew to speak to what the latest iteration is yeah Andrew Baxter facilities director certain you identify the property and its publicly filed cause up until mechanical facility eligibility for the Fox Hollow facility is going to become a Westside utilities operation service center along with our our sign shop is also gonna be located there hey cater this market I just wanted to remind everybody that I'm really looking for a transfer station of some size on the west side southwest side is specific and you can go down and look at the city of Tarpon Springs and see that theirs is just a few acres so we don't need 20 acres like they told me in a meeting we can get it done with a lot less and we got serious dumping problem out there and if we had some kind of permanent transportation out there would save us a lot of money well we'll have to ask her song waste team and that then kind of build a

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