05.21.19 Pasco BOCC

[Music] good morning everyone I would like to call to order the Pasco County Board of County Commission meeting for May 21st 2019 I would like at this time to remind everyone that please silence all electronic devices at this time please rise for the invocation and pledge please bow your heads o merciful creator your hand is open wide to satisfy the needs of every living creature Nico's thankful for your loving Providence and grant that we remembering the account that we must one day give may be faithful stewards of your good gifts amen madam clerk please call the roll Moore here district commissioner starting yes district 4 Commissioner Wells here district 5 Commissioner Mariano here district 1 chairman Oakland here now's the time for public comment citizens were given an opportunity to comment on any item coming before the board during this public comment session the board also takes public comment items to be placed on future board agenda for business under their purview public comment for public hearing matters are taken during those individual public hearings beginning at 1:30 p.m. individual speaking during public comment will be given three minutes to speak after stating your name and address for the clerk the timer located on the podium will start a countdown after two minutes one beat will sound and the light on from the timer will change from green to yellow letting you know that you have one minute remaining after the time is up two beeps will sound the light will change from yellow to red indicating that three minutes are up and you should close your comments you have two people signed up Donna Bryan and then followed by Diane Coburn ik if you want to line up anyone else could line up behind them thank you Laurie Goodstein Donna Bryan 8 0 1 5 Ernst Road new port richey 3 4 6 5 3 I came today to say thank you to Commissioner Moore and Commissioner wells for their generous donation in helping the Samaritan project was very nice of you to support us in helping the homeless I wish everybody would jump in and help with the homeless I'd also like to ask for the county to recognize the Farrell's Steve Farrell and his wife they do tremendous amounts of work in the county they jump in and help everybody and I think County should recognize all their charity efforts that they do in the community that's it please state your name and address for the clerk my name is Diane Coburn ik I'm about five thousand one South Shore that's in Gulf harbors good morning I am absolutely stunned by your willingness and your determination to tax Gulf harbors property owners for a useless contaminated piece of property that you insist on saying we will Bennett that will benefit our subdivision it boggles the mind just last week you should have all been made aware on how many people in Gulf harbors do not want this so-called park I say again you were misled and given inaccurate information when you voted in favor of this deal

last September 2016 a minority of people made you believe they represented our subdivision that was truly inaccurate creating new taxes on your constituents should be done with due diligence and respect I understand that the board will not be hearing p1 today on the agenda however I questioned the county's transparency when a new MSB U is being considered while still being in litigation so these questions beg to be answered why do you insist on buying this contaminated property why does the county insist on paying an exorbitant amount of money for this property when your own appraisers do not believe it is worth the money you are choosing for us to pay who is really benefitting from this deal why are you deliberately choosing Turkey to create such discord in our community as far as this new fact sheet that was just posted on the county's website it is so full of misleading statements shame on you I will just address one of them and I quote even though plaintiff admitted under oath that she did not count all the ballots so I'm gonna refer you to my deposition transcript page 129 line 1 4 7 and 11 where I specifically say and I quote basically I went through every single parcel every single yes vote now I ask you does that sound like someone who did not count every single vote thank you for your attention is anyone else here to speak this time please state your name and address for the Clerk Kim dads I live 46:17 floor mark Terrace in New Port Richey Gulf harbors I to read the frequently asked questions sheet that's on your website now for the Gulf harbors new MSB you I'm just totally flabbergasted or what's in there number one number two is you know the new MSP you says you're going to have you're gonna follow industry standards you used to because I downloaded it from your official website a standard operating procedure for a lamp when I questioned staff about that after I weren't previewed it it disappeared now the official word from the county is you never had one because you the board never signed off on it so now I'm looking at these frequently asked questions that are full of misinformation there's no signature as to there's no author and the board didn't sign them so why should I believe a single thing that's in there here's another question for you you could talk in the new MSB you about where the the MSB you will not be charged for the contamination cleanup who is are you gonna charge all these people is it going to be a Pasco at-large tax you don't say who's going to pay for it are you just planning on leaving it the way it is you know because I went looked up what passive recreation is defined as and all the legal opinions I can find say that all it is it can include a parking lot a library a street median so what are you gonna ask fault the whole thing over you're just going to leave it alone what is your definition of a passive Park you can't say you're gonna get a letter that says it's okay to use for passive and not define passive your

there is nothing about this deal that's been aboveboard or truth and it is just terrible and this will be the third park that you want to call it or whatever you want to call it be the third contaminated golf course you people have purchased and made taxpayers pay for it's ridiculous really I think it's criminal thank you for your comments anyone else wish to speak at this time please come forward seeing no one will move on to the next order of business is consent agenda I have the following items pulled c10 and revised c-32 revised and that's all I have on the full sheet is there any other items need to be pulled by the Commission seeing none entertain the motion for the addition all the rest any consent items second I got a motion second all those in favor say aye all opposed like sign motion pass CTN Vick Adama Grove this item was revised we inadvertently missed the signature page on the document move approval of the note of change second got emotional second all those in favor say aye all those like that motion passed C 32 c32 was revised to clarify the funding levels in the agenda there were no substantial changes have a motion second and a second all those in favor say aye I don't close like that mostly fast thank you now we're gonna move consent items will move to the sectional regular agenda this time I'd like mr. Maury you want to start with our one certain thing thank you sir mr. Chairman I appreciate it so for our one give me one second here catching up so I assume most of you have been following the recent ruling when it comes to Pasco County property phrase with office versus Pinellas County in reference to the twelve thousand four hundred acres that Pinellas County owns in Pasco originally I think thought of a for a well-filled back in the day obviously to pump water out of they've been refusing to pay taxes it's 2015 so since this is obviously getting quite was cutting quite a bit of press I thought I'd be who of us to have that conversation here and bring Jerry Trainor and our property appraiser in to have that discussion to and tell us where we stand in the course go ahead come on at the same time and I personally I'm still appalled that they refused to pay this initially they came into Pasco County purchased land we know it was going on at that time I'm gonna turn the water Wars etc but now still refusing to pay taxes to Pasco County is again is ridiculous in my mind and sorry Gary I might let you go in a second but I agree with um a couple statements I know in this case and I think one in particular it's almost humorous nature that when the judge is made but when they got the positive ruling at the last hearing judge was it yes yes who us Casanova in my view the analysis of this issue turns in part on whether as a matter of law the asserting county Pinellas County as operating as a sovereign in this instance I conclude that the answer is no because the paraphrase a line from the movie

Highlander there can only be one here the manor of sovereign rests on the shoulders of Pasco County because the landed issue rests within the territorial boundary establishing its constitutional domain so I think the bad thing for cities and counties not only probably across the state but across the nation of what they're trying to do here those Pinellas County refusing to pay the property taxes and basically stating that they have was quote sovereign immunity from paying this taxes is that they're trying to set a precedent and that's where they're doing so who's to say that Pasco County couldn't go and purchase land say on Beach Drive where they're high-rent districts where the up-and-coming area is there and make it invest and make an investment and not pay taxes what if we buy 20 or 30 or 50 million dollars with the property in Pasco County with a huge tax base and don't paste and don't pay taxes it but that could continue to happen like one example I cited a while back what about a city somewhere in the nation that funds its own pension plan well they make investments for those pension plans various investments right who's to say that they're not going to start making investments and property maybe not even in their own state or own County outside of that area just because it's a good investment so they're at present they're setting a precedent and he's to try to set a precedent needs to be stopped and they can't be allowed to continue in addition think you think about what they opacity was I think it's miss Joyner with interest a couple hundred dollars but say a couple hundred thousand dollars but a couple hundred thousand dollars a couple hundred thousand dollars that's money that's owed to the people that are sitting in this audience and they're watching us on TV today all right that could be new equipment at a park that could be extra hours for a library that could help with flooding issues on the west side the county heck that could put a new sidewalk it's unless their commissioner Mariana it could be a new trail but there's a lot of things where that money can be spent but in reality in my mind you know Pinellas County is taking this money well you know so I mean it's it's ridiculous and I'm gonna let you go ahead and continue well if you will I know also you've this this case has been going on for a while I think did it start with as it started with you know mr. wells will throw mr. wells that you've continued it now let me ask you one question but we're at the annual taxes on that properties runs about what well they haven't paid since 15 you're about 50,000 a year about 58 years of the whole most of those greenbelt it's a lot of what our worry is too is what they can do with this property and turn it into correct it's their property you know Thank You Commissioner Moore for having us and all the other commissioners you know one of the things that was brought up at the last case was one of the judges brought up to the attorney for Pinellas was what if miami-dade went out to a little

Okeechobee and bought half of it and turned it into a landfill what would stop them basically you would bankrupt Okeechobee Okeechobee County and they would be looking for funding elsewhere to take 12,400 acres from us is a lot of land it's a lot look they're making millions of dollars off that land it's not just a point of they owe us a couple hundred thousand dollars but the millions of dollars that they make off that land between pine straw between timber between cattle it's just not fair it's not fair the other property owners that do the exact same function in this county they do have to pay yeah but we feel that they shouldn't they feel they shouldn't be exempt and this is setting a precedent for not just Pasco but for everywhere yep so talk about the ruling that just happened in the case and about we were eight made statements that they're going to be huge statements I have to be honest with the our attorney learn levy in Tallahassee I think is doing an amazing job he was our attorney when I got there we have captain because he was very familiar they gave each attorney 20 minutes our attorney took to 20 minutes played a great case their attorney got up and had eight minutes and that's all they could stay up there because I have to tell you I was pretty impressed the judges were throwing so many questions at but I almost as attorneys they couldn't answer them and one of the questions I have to say is one of the questions the judge asked the way you're presenting this case in a way it's going in a way you want it to go if Pasco was to lose they could technically take this land as eminent domain and their attorney agreed yes they could so that's always something to think about that's a good idea it's a great idea I mean no offense dis County can use that money for you can make your own money with it you can do what you want with it turn it into anything you'd like I hope we do win sometimes you know it's it's worth the fight I appreciate everybody up here having your support and and fighting for it also but at the end of the day it's about being fair and fighting for what's deserved here and that's what we're trying to do do we or have they filed appeal yet they have they have found it okay I have to tell you we're pretty confident from talking to our attorney and things we kind of know we're pretty confident my opinion I don't think they have a whole lot left to argue about I think they've ran out of everything that they have to argue even some of the I've heard of some of their own commissioners are wondering what we're doing with this property they don't even know and to be honest with you why it started with an accounting going through and saying they shouldn't pay it I'm not sure why an accounting accountant is giving legal advice to Pinellas County I'm not sure yeah that's what they went off of so I watched them follow up meeting the Pinellas County Commission meeting I don't know if anybody else did and to just review the statements that

were made and third County Attorney did state that day I think was a county attorney Mike Wright did state they are making money off this property now for a while I suppose where they were at losing money but I think right now it's close to two million dollars a year a year that they're actually making off this property so they are profiting off this property but not paying taxes on it back so they're running a bit so all our business owners in Pasco County that are paying taxes on a daily basis not just property owners business owners that are paying taxes they're not paying a dime we consider them to be just like any other corporation that comes in to my side and then to judges those money out yes is actually not it's Pasco County but it's County money their money we got to take care of absolutely yep mr. Arky so I'm wondering if it all got triggered when we did a p-bass out there I'm not sure who was around here when that occurred you weren't over there and and we have residents along one side of the road that goes to the back entrance to cross bar and they ended up having to pay for the whole pee bath because in essence the property on the north side of the road was owned by Pinellas County they they didn't have to participate in the P bass of the road that their trucks tore up hauling timber out of there and yeah it was an interesting situation and now when was that about the time I think we're told two and a half years ago that's a good point yes mr. Stein's donor the way back to that your ordinance exams governmental entities that's why they didn't have to pay it should there be a governmental entities you're not being another County I don't think we should exempt two other counties why should our citizens your audience did not at the time did not specify I'm just saying in the future we might want to fix that I don't know why we can't change the ordinance any time then yeah wishes - let's add that to our list but I don't know why our citizens are paying for another County to make money and tear up the road now what what what resulted in the result of that whole issue was was that they cannot use that they're not supposed to be using that road for logging anymore whether that's going on I don't know but I just wanted to bring that up for historical reference all up to her point real quick since I brought this in front of us so let me all right and keep going for a second if we could have staff look into that if they are utilizing that road like commissioners don't you just mentioned we need if they were told they cannot use that road for a hole in the timber we need to find out if they are if they are using it then we need to cut that off and and so you know they have a new man been out there on those properties for the cattle and for the pine trees and the straw and everything now then what used to be there even when they did the road it's a new management team that's out there now so I'm aware of that yeah they stated that all in their

meeting actually anything else coming yeah so so but they may not know they're not spittle heads rosary mr. Mariani so I think we should be changing that ordinance maybe you should just include the for Pasco County the state and the federal government does that'll take them out I think we should get a camera out there to go check to see if they are running the logging trucks on that Ridge that's the residence we got to have proof yeah you know once you get proof then and go back even for the other money being that they're an entity making money etc if we're gonna treat them like an entity and it's been four years they haven't paid can't we just go full clothes or is that kind of what the process is right now well right now with the lawsuit mr. Fasano tax collector cannot sell certificates so again they're gonna get away with not paying this year or not interest being added so until this suit is ended you know we can't sell third or he cannot sell certificates so they have to sit idle so at this point it's not whoever bought the certificate you know from four years ago can go after our tax deed take a look at this well the Attorney General or is it just let it go through the courts we're kind of wait to say to go through the course because it is it again if this is a case that's never been had anywhere if this will be precedents for like say not only Pasco or Florida but for everywhere it hasn't happened anywhere before in the past I will say you know we lost the first time in Pasco County and in County Court but I will say the judge actually came out and said I have to rule for Pasco or for Pinellas but before I do I want to say I live here I pay taxes and I do believe you should pay at the end of the day I think you should pay but I think that is a ruling that should be for a court higher than myself and that's why it got bumped up we appealed obviously to take it up and no offense if we lose this when we will go a little farther we're gonna keep going until a final judge somewhere says no on another note you know we always look at how much at the end of the day it cost you to do this and to make this fight costing us very minimal very I mean it's very minimal what we're spending to fight this suit like I said we've waited almost a year for this ruling it was almost a year ago that we went to Tampa and fought it so it's taken a while to get through and again you know there's no fees going on at that time so we feel pretty confident of what we're spending but the thing I they day to fight this so that the taxes are billing still being built even when it comes due even though they're not paying and then they'll have to go back and pay at that point but yes they still are being taxed okay so there's no action required for this item we're not at this point I brought this board there is actually gonna happen because since it's my I let me continue to move forward with it well it says commissioner well just real quick I just want to thank you for seeing this through you didn't have to you could have just dropped it I

really appreciate you supporting it obviously we all support it and it really means a lot of we will win both will say that was one of the first things your father asked me wasn't he good that's why I'm saying I he appreciates very much trust me the minute I wanted to fight it before I even became property so yes we were never going to give it up well thank you very much thanks have we tried meeting with them with our chair with their chair or you with their County Administrator has diplomacy got nowhere keith is on their committee to look at how to use this property but I mean but other than that not with respect to this litigation so when you listen to it I don't even know how to do that I'd be interested to learn that do that well any gonna for me so what what was the mind of the commissioners I mean they really think this is something they should continue to bear it if they were fine defending it you know they asked a couple questions I think one of the questions I don't want it I might miss the miss state being which commissioner said what so I won't say but in general they asked a couple questions I know that chair of Pinellas County was wanting to move forward with defending it I don't remember what her name is I know commissioner a long made a statement or two I think Commissioner long asked what from that correct what was happening at the property who was managing it there was a they did bring up about at one time there was discussions about selling the property to Pasco County they stated that they would not want to do that the Commission multiple commissioners stated that that they would not want to sell that property there was a little joking from the chair and one of the other members about in a funny way of see I told you so or something like that about how this could work out maybe to their benefit in the future you'll have to watch it yourself again but I so I in my opinion just to what you stated obviously mr. Horner's office is moving ahead with with defending this appeal I guess you could say right depending the appeal I did talk to Senator Sano he's in full support of anything we want to do on that Sunday if anything he can do to help he's willing to inside - but you're correct about the text if it gets in since it ever went away we can buy the tax certificates and you can maybe own the property that way if you got so lucky you never know right but I think we need a letter from this board you know to be drawn up possibly by the county minister or county attorney for this entire board a sign stating in some manner that were appalled at them moving forward with this and they need to pay that we feel they need to pay their taxes I think there needs to be a statement from this board in some manner I think it's even more than I think it's to be careful about setting a precedence that could be could affect I guess no precedent I agree I agree if they sell this property do they pay capital gains can't answer

that how does that work there be a question for mr. Stein Center and I don't think government pays capital gain tax yeah I don't know that they're subject to federal taxation but I would ask you know what I can act we couldn't since they are running a business I don't know if they have a some type of a business tax certificate in Pasco County I'd be curious to know that since they are running a business an actual for-profit business and here we are investing all this money in the wildlife corridors and we don't know that that property well that there well we don't know we don't know what they're also use it for yeah they could do multiple things with it absolutely in the future and we also worry about them buying more you know there's a lot of beautiful land out there or just don't want them to buy it out they could have a lot of nice land along that around the hotels around the Vannoy that I'm sure some governments could start looking at making some aspect for investments and not have to pay taxes on this so you're making maybe the world is watching and they'll know that the market is hot in Pinellas County right now make an investment because I don't feel you need to pay taxes so make an emotion for us to send a letter i if we need a motion I mean we can just ask the between the county attorney and County Minister maybe to draw something up that we can all approve I mean we in motion we don't want you I know we don't want to do anything which I think it I think the county turkey should also be involved in the way we word this we can bring back a letter I mean that's yeah this let's research answer we don't want to make any motion or any letter that would cause us to have an issue with this lawsuit we know we're just given a direction that yeah yeah give it direction to bring back a letter if you could in the next meeting okay I don't think need a motion on that you know we don't need a motion but if you don't do that that'd be great okay and we do thank you guys for all your no thank you we appreciate you mr. Onur from say we'll continue to fight for you and as soon as we know something we'll let you know but we hope it's under winning in again so thank you like it now before we go to our two we have some special guests here today we would like to acknowledge we are hosting students from the pace center as part of pace government days this is a three day program to give students better understanding of how local government functions today's group will spend about an hour with us here today in the boardroom these young ladies are also visiting constitutional officers in various county departments to learn more about their operations as they give a warm welcome to the tensor that's joined us today [Applause] you have something we'll do now or wish I think there's a walk on resolution the clerk okay there is thank you very much it's actually from all the commissioners and

the clerk motion we move the emergency second motion in a second all those in favor say aye aye aye aye opposed like sign it passes thank you anyone here is representing pace if you go to the podium fees Thank You resolution number 19 176 whereas pace was established in 1985 in Jacksonville Florida with ten girls and has grown to twenty-one centers throughout Florida and whereas pace center for girls has have helped more than 47,000 at-risk girls reestablish priorities in safe environments providing the tools for them to develop and sustain healthy relationships and paths for success and whereas pace applies a holistic gender-specific strength based and trauma-informed program model to address the needs of girls garnering recognition nationally as one of the most effective programs in the country for keeping girls from entering the juvenile justice system and whereas pace helps girls find their voices achieve their highest potential and celebrate lives defined by responsibility dignity serenity and grace and whereas pace has developed a nationally recognized research based non residential program model that features a balanced emphasis on academics and social services with a focus on the future and middle form for middle and high school aged girls and young women and whereas the foundation of pace is its gender responsive culture providing a safe environment that celebrates girls pace offers services that consider how girls learn and develop and it's supportive staff members respond to and celebrate each girl's strengths and challenges and whereas the pace model emphasizes the goal-setting with an ongoing assessment and improvement process to identify each girl's strengths and challenges and whereas pace provides each girl with the best possible support based on her individual needs and ambitions and whereas paces life management curriculum teaches girls to make positive decisions and lifestyle choices paces spirited girls classes teach classes teach girls how to better navigate real life tackling topics such as self-esteem conflict resolution personal grooming relationship building and so much more and whereas ongoing parental involvement is an integral part of the care plan for each girl and counselors maintain regular contact with parents or guardians through phone and in-person meetings and whereas as part of the curriculum at Pace girls are encouraged to express themselves through creative outlets such as art and poetry this provides them with an opportunity to acknowledge their past while focusing on their future and whereas pace came to Pasco in 1998 to serve local girls in the areas of academic improvement social services and transition support the target population for pace Pasco is at-risk girls between ages 11 to 17 who may benefit from a more personalized and supportive educational environment and whereas at pace Pasco girls work to become productive citizens and value their education repair family relationships

celebrate their achievements and build self-confidence and whereas Pasco reach began in 2016 and provides counseling and mental health services for girls and families still enrolled in public school and will serve 100 girls in three schools this year and whereas girls that hire girls are at higher risk than boys from sexual abuse sexual assault and domestic violence and this elevated risk may explain the strong link between abuse and trauma and girls selling Quincy and whereas 68% of girls were failing one or more classes prior to coming to pace 11% girls have had a prior arrest before coming to pace 28 percent girls use drugs and alcohol prior to come prior to coming to pace and whereas the structure pays provides has resulted in significant outcomes including 92 percent had no involvement with the justice juvenile justice system within a year of leaving pace 96% improved their academic performances 92 percent were in school and/or employed three years after leaving pace and whereas Pasco pay serves about 122 girls annually with an average age of 15 and whereas pace coordinates an annual breakfast celebration to identify some of the pace girls heartbreaking struggles and highlight their amazing accomplishments and whereas the Board of County Commissioners and the constitutional officers of Pasco County recognized the value of pace and created pace days in Pasco government to provide opportunities for pace girls to learn more about their government and potential career choices and whereas once a pace girl always a pace girl now therefore be it resolved by the Board of County Commissioners Pasco County Florida that said board hereby declares May 20th to the 22nd 2019 as pace days and Paschal girl in Pasco government and expresses its deepest appreciation to pace leadership and their students for their work to help at-risk girls in Pasco done and result in regular session with the quorum president and voting this 21st day of May 2019 signed by the board welcome thank you i'm gail armstrong the executive director at pace Pasco and it is a privilege to work with these young ladies every single day and it is an honor for everybody at the Government Center to welcome them for these three days they learned so much in fact one of our girls said she went home after doing this and told her mother things and her mother didn't know about what goes on in the government over here so the girls are getting a great education you're making them feel very welcome and you're supporting them and their career choices so we cannot thank you enough for the resolution and you're welcome to our girls thank you we can do that they love that more I'm Zilka beyond of ik you can do this we got grown-ups like that waiting I'm justice from Peace Center from girls how old are you justice 16 thank you I'm Jenai bangs from Pei Center for girls and I'm 15 years old I'm Abbey Roberts and I go to school pace Center for girls and I'm 16 I'm Michaela case from pace Center for girls and I'm 16 I'm Madeline buds and I'm 15

and we have one more over here can't see faces thought I was gonna forget you I'm Cassie Allah gender frump a center for girls and I'm 17 Cassie's graduating in a few days now what we like to go down front maybe have a picture with our chairman let me if I could real quick okay um I just I just want to take a minute you know I had you know I just was on in rotary with Gail back before I was a commissioner and and what a great I know they had the Disney trip which I believe some of these girls went on to found all the girls hopefully that was a great trip I know I got asked to help support that which was a no-brainer every opportunity I have to go over there and visit I don't do it enough but I just want to let each one of you know how first of all proud I am of you being here with us and what an inspiration you truly are you know I've got friends that graduated from pace that I go meet her for lunch and she's doing so so great and the things that you've been through you are leaders you are unbelievable young ladies you have a great future I'm getting a little emotional but I truly mean it so just thank you all you believe in yourselves we believe in you you again you truly are inspiration so thank you keep doing a good job mr. chairman yes I'd like to go a little bit too and it is just amazing what you're doing with these girls I know my daughters amber Lauren think a lot of the program especially amber to to get on this spend as much time as she can I've actually made a mistake today I was supposed to bring the clothes down that the girls picked out when they're doing the spring cleaning to bring down to you so I guess Amy was gonna bring them down to you personally but the great work you're doing and girls to take it opportunity that this is providing to you I think is tremendous and we're delighted to have you here thank you good okay let's go down front and get a pic you ready so we'll come your connectome we were into me [Music]

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nothing was coming the day with us the next item is r2 and I think mr. more will do lead the conversation only Thank You mr. chairman I appreciate it so are a lot of our favorite subject quote donation beds I hate you fallen donation bins because most of them are actual donation bins right it's it's getting bad again so obviously you everybody knows that we pass our nor nets and a while back to allow me Alex really that one to allow permitting let's go back is that from the start can you get back to the very start the very first there yeah leave it there please well no back there you go well no we're having technical difficulties I'll continue one one were waiting for that new line back up I think was about what a year and a half ago or so we passed an ordinance that stated that these need be permitted so far we've had zero people come in to actually get a permit and sticker for their quote donation bins so the issue is getting bad again as you can see this I'm not going to name spots the reason I'm not going to name spots because I don't want people to return to those areas but if you can see that when there was donation bins out there I notice the donation bins because this is a route I take when within probably 48 hours this is what it turned into one day obviously this wasn't just mr. mrs. Smith you know grabbing a mattress and at the back of their house and bring it to their okay I'm making an assumption that this looks to me like a junk hauler or somebody that obviously goes in and and clears apartments or rental homes because literally this happened over probably a 48-hour period think of the cost to either the county or private property owners what that cost to clean that up including tipping fees and time so I had some long conversations with Miss Sims last week about what can we what can we do about this I would like to see them I would like to see an outright ban when I say an outright ban never again in Pasco County that I think any of these should be placed anywhere miss Sims will explain something during summer her research what we may be able to do when we may not be able to do you can see through the debris there is two of those donation bins sitting there so it started with two donation bins and that's what it turned in it so if you can go a couple more slides so that's an example of something I think is OK in Pasco County that is a man truck I literally took that one yesterday when I was going to take my daughter to horse riding and that was at a convenience store that they had permission to do that at I didn't want to take a picture the gentleman so I waiting firm to move but he can see in the left front of the truck he's standing there so that's me and at all times I know where I live after garage sales they bring the trucks there I think it's goodwill that comes to the clubhouse they get permission they do a really bang-up job of getting things after those garage sales there are certain areas across the county I think of

Publix in Wesley Chapel it is the public so they con Ruby downs and 56 I do see the trucks there from time to time picking up donations so my thought is if there's a way to ban these in some way there are still opportunities there for legitimate charities to accept donations without having to have these small bins I think going back you remember the majority of what we're seeing out there of these quote I was gonna call them collection bins because majority aren't donation bins majority of them don't have a phone number they do have a phone number on them nobody answers or it's not a real phone number going back to what we spoke about last time a lot of these show up when the textile markets strong that you know when the commodity is strong they start showing up more when they're coming out he's bad you don't see as many or they're just not taking care of them or cleaning them out but we have to do something so Chrissy and I what can be done that one you saw at that one site that bin was seized by Pasco County for illegal dumping so Christi I'm gonna let you explain I think it was a great maneuver because if they're putting those on private property they're actually dumping them on private property so I'm gonna let you take over for a second custody all right so just clearly not commissioner mores a favorite business nor is it mine from an enforcement standpoint but the question is what legally can we do when we start it off at one end of the spectrum was can we ban them all together and the answer legally is no there's a number of port cases where there have been permitting schemes that have been upheld we have such a permitting scheme the permitting requirements for fins in in this county require a site plan written consent of the property owner which I think we've just now recognized is a problem we're not dealing with property owners who have entered into a contract with these various entities we're dealing with property owners who have had these just placed on their property without their knowledge and they're supposed to be regularly emptied they're supposed to be marked if they're not for charitable purposes is supposed to be financial on them that says this is a for-profit entity going back a little from an enforcement standpoint the ordinance well and let me also make the point that our current ordinance and permitting process does not allow these donation bins to be placed anywhere except on improved paved surfaces on developed and occupied non-residential parcel so in other words if it's undeveloped if it's not occupied if it's not paved they're not allowed to be there if it's residential they're not allowed to be there so that's what those are our rules right now there are some exceptions however and this sort of ties in later if it's a recyclable business if it's the government collecting recyclables that sort of thing if it's a church that once a bin they're allowed to put it out on their own property and collect it and I want to just tell you flat-out that

our current ordinance I don't really think that I'm not going to say we haven't had the opportunity to enforce it but there has never been a large enforcement action to get what we require together and going and tell now the first thing that happened was when we started enforcing it right after it was passed an attorney contacted our office and pointed out that there was some was a tiny little thing left off regarding the timetable for denying permits so we had to go back in and amend the ordinance and it seems to have sort of gotten lost in the enforcement whirlwind since then the HRE team has taken this up with code enforcement and it attempted to map all the present locations although these things move around and last week sent out demand letters to the property owner saying you have an illegal donation bin on your property you may not be aware of it if your have been the victim of illegal dumping of this then con talk to us and we will follow the process that we did with one last week which is to have a road and bridge go out collect the materials dispose of the junk confiscate the bin and then investigate it for illegal dumping if it's over a certain tonnage that could be felony dumping so we'll work with the sheriff's office to obtain restitution and make those cases but of the 40 letters that we sent out we are expecting probably at least half of them to be from the response from owners to be we have no idea why this is here the other 20 and this is just a guess on my part well then have until July 1st to go through the permitting process and the reason why it's been kind of stretched out to July 1st is the application process is fairly labor-intensive there has to be a site plan has to be written consent from the owner and that's just the amount of time that the people on the second floor needed in order to train their staff to actually take in these permits so where are we now so Commissioner Moore and I wanted to have an open discussion on whether these things could be banned I think the answer is no I can't legally defend that and then the next question you know thinking thinking proactively I'll say commissioner Morse behalf is can we reduce them back to only manned spots do I have that correctly yes okay here's the problem with that from another follow up to that too right the problem with that from a legal standpoint is that we have a bunch of exceptions written into our current ordinance that allow unmanned we have up at the Publix we have recyclables you know we have newspapers again we're allowed allowing churches for example on their own property to put a nun me been out if we're going to go to manned only it would have to be manned for everyone we could not fly with them we could not you know pick and choose you can't have that like the Salvation Army [Music] those would be man yeah so that would be the only way that I could defend it and I'm quite confident that we will be sued

but again you know I and I have to tell you that in First Amendment cases it's very every First Amendment case is very fact-specific so I cannot stand up here and tell you we will win it is it's always a coin toss to me because the First Amendment is it's a huge area of law and there's many different facets and the determinations and all kinds of First Amendment cases whether they're charitable solicitation cases like this one would be versus religion cases often turn on small pieces of fact and a trial court judges interpretation it's almost like there's so many trees that sometimes the forest is missed in First Amendment cases however can I do him up and come on I brought this because I'm going worse I'm going somewhere with this so so I reviewed some of the cases that you sent me and refer me to the one was in a thicket of all was that Duvall around Jacksonville was it Duvall and if I'm not correct the problem was painting charities right right so 90 plus percent of these were seen in the county are not actual charities they're private businesses so if somebody can prove they're a legitimate charity ie Goodwill Salvation Army whoever else we see out there why can they not separate the non charitable organizations from that because I thought forever in that case they they kept stating charity charity charity right and I understand what you're saying the reason why we can't just ban them is because there is an element of First Amendment expression courts have found in being able to use these bins to solicit for charitable purposes so if your question is can we ban the non-charitable and allow the charitable 's possibly but as a practical matter I think that we're going to find ourselves in the exact same position because it's very simple for a for-profit corporation and turn themselves into a not-for-profit corporation and give 1% of whatever they have to a charity I really if you're asking for my opinion my opinion is believe me I just like this as much as you but I've only just now had the opportunity through the HRA process to wrap my arms around a comprehensive enforcement action and I would I would suggest that we give it the summer to play out and see how many of these shake out when we you know send out these letters we see how many we are confiscating and I mean that one would be illegal because we would never give a permit what city have permit ones that we're just up there it's an undeveloped person it's actually legally government it's actual legal dumping exactly and you know I I would like to think once we start confiscating these bins and seeking restitution for our cost from we've actually figured out that 15 of the 40 letters that we sent out are the same one company yeah I would like to think that once we actually do an enforcement action which we have not done up until now that this will not be known as a friendly business account II in which to start dumping your bins all over the place so while I am I'm absolutely sympathetic to what you're

saying and and your goals here I would kind of suggest that we give the enforcement process a little bit of an opportunity to play out and I didn't want I did want to let you all know that I have you know read on the research there's no way to ban them outright if there is any charitable nonprofit aspect to them just because of the case law and lawsuits that have already been brought and if we want to go banning everything that isn't man that is going to affect other bins that currently we don't have problems with that are on for example people's own property or Publix or something like that but which are unmanned they don't have somebody standing out there but if we went that way it would have to apply to everyone okay so to continue on with that what you did last week which I love is you took these bins or actually holding them offer evidence for an illegal W case now looking at these two bins these are two of the heavier bins my assumption is once the weight comes in of those two bands it's going to be in the felony realm it's gonna hit that weight I suspect so yeah so moving forward since you already have a letter stating from somebody that that isn't they did not allow the other property that is dumping they more likely will be charged with a felony right we will be turning so what we did when was the we had road and bridge collect all of the debris both inside the bin and outside the bin we asked them when they tipped it to keep a measurement of how much that was plus the weight of the bins themselves I suspect that it's going to cross the line for a felony we will be reporting us to the sheriff's office and asking the Sheriff's Office to investigate because when you call the number on the bin it just goes too high this is Joe Blow leave me a mass of them right and we will be filing a complaint with the Sheriff's Department along with the property owner for dumping and we will be seeking our costs to remove these as restitution and so we are holding a bit right so there was what the one the other one was you know I don't think you and everyone talked about that with this one yet but I did get a call from a citizen randomly coincidentally actually does somebody place one on their property what do I do and well you and I did talk about that that's right we did talk about that so there you go let us know whether it is and we will take this and confiscate it for and use it for an illegal dumping case and I think that's a great route because every one of these since you sent the letters out if they're gonna get hit with either a misdemeanor or a felony and lobbies are gonna fall in to fill in the calorie category and we seek restitution I think this may potentially could play out well again now you need to find these folks and find out who they are but phone numbers can be attached to the do a little research maybe you can find out who the actual phone numbers are for a question on that okay I know just wait a minute okay so if you're gonna charge somebody here it can't be the person with the dumpsters that are asking for

clothes and shoes for all the other material that are there that doesn't fit closings use why not they're not asking for anything like that there's other people that have done a problem they caused people to dump yes that's a marker there because we have aided and abetting dumping they place the dumpsters themselves on private property without permission of the property owner that that's the first aspect of it the second aspect of it is that they have invited people to bring items to this location and providers of their bins yes these are charities we're talking about these are not charities yes I was on the board American Red Cross when we were approached by one of these companies and we did work with property owners to put a series of these in the county and I think we were the first ones in the county with them and they were white with the red American cross logo on it and we got like $1,000 a month for each one but I can tell you the cost was so much because the Red Cross had to send people out to to clean them up they took them all out my question to you is enforcement what if this eight the what if they're out-of-state what I mean how do we get money from how do we enforce fines from these people right enforcement is always going to be whether we can serve them whether we can get them into court you know certainly we're going to have to do some work on that end but these are two donation bins that aren't going to be moved around the corner and I'm all forget I think we should get just have none and sometimes I think you know the property owners also like I said what when we did it the property owners were getting a fair amount of money and if they're not participating that charitable cause they can be they may be being reimbursed for that location by these bins so then the property owner also can be liable so our ordinance does provide that both the owner of the and the property owner are responsible for having a permit making sure that it's appropriately monitored and emptied and all of all of those things I just don't want I didn't want to you on my first I'll say grenade enforcement grenade on this to assume that all of these property owners are aware that this is on their property so so that's where we're at you know I'm happy as I said over the summer as the summer goes on to look at having manned locations only but I did want to sort of bring it to your attention we can't ban them if you want to look at manned you have to think about how that's going to affect other people who have unmanned collection boxes sorry who has unmanned collection boxes besides these there's all sorts of unmanned recyclable stations around the county let me tell you this we have a time certain four minutes after I know one more thing so when you wrap this up thank you one more thing again going back to what you came up with and I commend you for this I think it's this is this will work and this can say brilliant yeah you are brilliant you're brilliant you're

brilliant you're brilliant oh it's funny because we're on the phone talking to Jeff but you guys we got it again once these are being confiscated obviously and they're being cited for illegal dumping we know that that's going to help because these aren't gonna be in this tree anymore but I think it's important so and I'll ask help from anybody in the media out there to if there decide to write a piece on this that please for the private property owners that are having these illegally place let us know because we want to take them and use them for evidence so for anybody that has a private property owner and it has these someone there laying we would love for you to let us know because we will come and get these off your property and now will use them for evidence so that opportunities there if there is someone who finds one of these on their property we are asking that they email HR e contact at Pasco County FL net h re contact at Pasco County FL that sends it right to the HR e coordinator who can instead of it going all around from customer service to code enforcement over to h-hurry h re contact at Pasco County FL get into in just remember I mean these are cost and the taxpayers thousands of dollars a year they're costing staff time a lot of staff time it took a long time to clean this one side up last week you know so it's costing taxpayers money so if citizens seeing them out there - and you think they're not private property let us know means this cleaned up now this site it is it is dumps where we go it's all gone yeah HR e contact at Pasco County I thought now Thank You Christy thank you thank you now we move on to our time certain are three good morning I'm Shawna Lloyd and I'm a partnership specialist in Central Florida with the 2020 census so I'm here to give you an update on what's happening and how the counties are getting involved in what's happening with the census the 2020 census is here again according to the Constitution every 10 years we do have to take a census of everyone living here in the United States so that way we can have a accurate count of our population local governments are always very key because they insist us with getting the word out letting people know that we have jobs for them here in the local areas it's also important because you guys participate in Lucca which is a local update and address canvasing where you guys tell us where you have new home developments and other entities that we don't know about and you also assists us with the complete count committees as well why is it that you have a local vested interest in the census we like to say it's the power and the money it affects our apportionment our representation in 2010 we gained two additional seats in the House due to our increase in population we're estimated to gain another seat in 2020 it also affects the federal funds that are just distributed based on it the allocation of our population it's to the ax tune of about six hundred and seventy

five billion dollars per year over the decade this is a percentage rate of households that returned the census in 2010 across the u.s. the return rate it was about 72 percent you can see Pasco was at 76 and 2000 they did gain another percentage point to 77 in 2010 and we want to make sure that we continue that trend because it's a little less than one in four that did not respond so that leaves a lot of dollars on the table so we want to ensure that we're engaging everyone here in Pasco County this is where we gain two seats these are the states that gain seats and these are the projections for 2020 which is as I mentioned we're slated to gain another seat why is this census different this census is different because it's going to be the first time it's completely automated so households will go online on a smartphone and iPad a surface a laptop anything that can access the internet they can respond that way there is a secondary method in which they can respond there is a 1-800 number that they can call and receive assistance to complete their form they can also receive in language assistance right now there's about 17 to 19 languages they're looking to increase that you can also request a traditional questionnaire however it has to be called requested and mailed back so we are looking for residents to reapply one of the automated methods it's important to note that the Census and snow census worker will ever ask for your social security number your banking information any sensitive information we would ask for we won't ask for a donation on behalf of any political party or organization as well the census data is private and confidential is protected by Title 13 which says that we don't share it with any other governmental agency it's only shared in the aggregate so something called a census tract which is about three to four city blocks is how we report the data we know that there's so many people living in this particular census tract the census data is also sealed for 72 years so by the time it comes out most of us are either not here or we don't care we're too old doesn't matter why is it we don't get a successful count what we've realized is that there are areas that have certain attributes that tend to become what we call our heart to count communities we've noticed people living below poverty anywhere English language is not the first language small a lot of small children high percentage of renter's first-time takers of the census think millenials are students those are things single parents we notice that they tend not to respond to the census this is a heat map of the lower spots score the middle is Florida the darker the orange the higher the response rate so you can see that there are some areas where we have a very low response rate this is actually generated by a census tool called Rome we can actually zoom into the track to see exactly where here in Pasco County our heart to County areas are our outreach strategy how do we combat the hard to count the hearts account we

typically find that it's better when people they receive the messages from people that they know so the census we encourage counties to form complete count committees which are volunteer committees they basically take the message of the census and they determine how best they want to get the message out to their residents they're allowed to tailor the message we support them with getting them all the information that they need so that way they can effectuate the message to the residents of that particular area complete count committees are formed at the state county and city levels so we do have complete count committees at the state level and other counties are that are also doing it the reason we do it that way is because you understand the demographic that we're looking to reach so it's abled they're able to tailor the message a little differently our complete count committees have subcommittees these tend to reflect the areas within the particular demographic education faith based small business sometimes there is a city and county subcommittee where the cities will come under the county and join the effort this is our census design first as we mentioned before in Luca we establish where we count that's where you update the address then we motivate people to respond that's where we are now where we educate we start our complete count committees and we get them going to effectuate the message we then count the population starting next spring and then after that the census results are released at the end of the year they're due to the president on December 31st and the following spring and 2021 is when we will get our reapportionment count in our updated census numbers we also want to get the information out about the jobs that are available we do hire from whatever region an area that's not from that's because you understand the area the geography the residents you know the little nuances within the culture so we do look for people within the community to apply for the jobs we are the largest peacetime operation and employ more people during this than any other operation of the government are there any questions that I can answer mr. Holden your presentation I'm trying to understand it there we go sorry so red means a good response opposite red the darker the red it means more people did not respond to not respond so what is the great because I don't see it on your the gray typically if you zoom in that's gonna be a little bit more it's a little bit lighter close to the yellow and the white it's because we had to zoom all the way out and copy it it's not as great yes so that so where it's dark it's a good response yes some of it some of it because of the way the counties and the tracks are so small it's actually not so I would actually have to show it to you on a computer I'm sorry so is there a way that we could see how our county has done yes is there specific County information yes there is I can actually get that to you and typically with all to store we're doing well in the county where we're not so we

can all absolutely it's on actually a tool online which when typically once you've decided and decided on a chair for the complete count committee and they're established we come in and do a full training for everyone about how to use Rome and how to look at these areas because that's where the volunteers are going to be looking to target when when do we need to have this committee up we're talking about doing as right now I have I have different counties in different stages I just did they take off for Hillsborough yesterday Orange County is doing their kickoff tomorrow some are just forming so it really just as soon as it's possible for that to happen we're looking to support it and how many people should we have on a CCC it's gonna depend if all of your cities are going to join then we typically look for about three to five on your subcommittees and the subcommittee's form the complete count committee so depending on how many subcommittees you'd want to have somewhere between 50 and 20 sometimes it's more it's volunteers you want people to participate leaders in the community you want people that are trusted voices in the community to participate so it's a cross-section of individuals on the complete count committee so I guess we need to decide how we're gonna nominate needs to be on this party pretty quickly it'll be real good to know where we stand for yeah so let's put this on our agenda for the our next meeting and maybe send out the map okay and and then everyone put some names in of who you think might be good and maybe we can pick that get that done on our next meeting typically there's a chair the chair is going to coordinate all the efforts and then your subcommittees have a chair so usually the board of commissioners will appoint that share and then this the heads of the subcommittee's the chairs of the subcommittee's and then they'll invite other people to join them or you guys can decide to have everyone it's a bit real how much how many are in Hillsborough on Hillsborough 66 zero six zero yes but but you had a committee of how many and we had six subcommittees six up to yes so there were six subcommittee chairs and then chair which was actually Commissioner Miller in that area wanted and he's the chair of Hillsboro and what do you have going on in Pinellas do you become in Pinellas Pinellas hasn't had their kickoff yet so I don't have that number who was the other one that you said kick we did a kick we're doing a kickoff for Orange tomorrow do you know the numbers they're right now they're estimating about the same about 70 have RSVP'd okay well we need to get on it so we bring it back to us we look at what we already have in that so you estimate of how many people for Pasco were five twenty five twenty five now five thirty our population right so what are you I would say if you can get and we typically look for more than less because what's gonna happen is some people are gonna be on different committees so I would

recommend anywhere from about twenty five to fifty would be a very good number so that way you have enough spread across your subcommittees which will all volunteers yes we do find that many volunteers yes each Commission gets so many in their district I mean you there's five hours each of us get ten people to volunteer to be a part of this and in our districts right you got big people all over the county you'd be surprised and you want to make sure that you have some kind of someone who represents social media because there's gonna be you might want something on your website within the actual county your planning is usually involved they've been involved since Lucca yeah so there's yes this stuff can be involved well that's up to you and we're already we're already provided data tonight we should be part of that they can be as far as we can be part of it yeah yes let's bring back our invitation to you just cause you're collected and I think let's bring back a recommendation for what makes okay for us that'll work at the same time I do want to make sure that this board approves every single person that's on that committee because we don't want it to get out of hand there's there's too many folks across this nation that have when it comes to census that have ulterior motives and we don't need that yeah we need to be very thoughtful of who's on the on those committees as a board to understand that be good mr. chairman mister barone just some other not specific to Pasco but so I'm looking at the HTC indicators person below or at a below poverty receiving public assistance concentration minority groups immigrants linguistically isolated communities migrant workers if these are the people that were having trouble getting signed up do you see any problem with going electronically with a smartphone disconnect with that absolutely so there are gonna be populations that we think we are gonna have a hard time with that which is why we're offering the 1-800 number because we recognize some of those populations are going to have a harder time accessing it so they can still request either the traditional set questionnaire or they can call the 1-800 number and this is part of where the complete count committee if there's a large population of that sort of unique population you want a sub committee to address that because what you're going to want to do is have that sub committee decide how it's best to effectuate that message to that particular group so let me know it's another broader question as far as you know census as I recall you've already got something in the mail it goes to a house so you know that everybody in that house it gets that one census at least you got control of that one piece of property that one paper coming back or not and then you send it back in right now if you're gonna go everything online I mean are you worried about how that could come out it's they actually think it's gonna be more efficient because if you think about the

process when we mail it to someone what they found is you're asking them to make two calls of action which we know are very typically not easy to do you're asking them to receive it make sure they get it out of the mail they have to complete it actually three and then return it there was a lot a significant amount of people that were not responding even at 77% which pasco is at in 2010 that's a little less than one in four person actually just never returned it first is if I'm sitting at home I can just answer it on my cell phone I can do other methods so we're hoping that it actually helps increase the response rate so I think for 75% of the population is a great move but for the other 25 it's still the other 25 is hard to get now you don't even have something here you can even hand them you've got to still have go by phone or go by my computer correct if they would like a traditional questionnaire they can still request it if they would like or and this is part of why messaging is important counties are doing different things depending on how high and where they're hard to count populations are so some of them are putting kiosks in the hospitals some of them are doing different things some of them are actually organizing events within that community where people can respond to at the events it really depends on the unique population that you're looking to target because all those those are a cross-section of some of the factors of the heart to count it really depends I would have to look at your track to tell you exactly all of those factors it doesn't mean that the heart de count always has all of those factors sometimes it's one sometimes it's just a high area with a lot of renter's renters don't think of that as something they have to do cuz they don't own a property so it really has to be track specific that's why this tool is really important because we can actually zoom down on your track and I can see all of the data about that track and then to make those determinations because you can't look at all the hard to count features or things that we've noticed and say well this these are these are all the things that describe that group it's some of these in this area some of these it really just depends so let's say you have a family member that might get out you get me at the library I'm gonna go fill it out the library you get that person you get someone else was that another place that they go fill one out how do you correlate between one person doing one survey and one do another survey and how do you even write here let's say one misses one person and the other don't doesn't miss that person do you guys look at that data and how do you resolve you're talking about they're these two people from the same household yeah okay they're gonna only have one code per household so only the head of household is supposed to respond for everyone within the household so if they both respond with that household code that they will get in the mail that's gonna pop a duplicate so they can't both use

that code and report something different because those anomalies then we have to send someone to the household to verify are you are still going to send something out to the households yes there is gonna be a postcard that comes that has like a little code almost like a promo code like a discount not a discount code but a promo and you're gonna go online and enter that and that identifies that address so any duplicates have to be crossed that's that sounds a lot oh yes I'm sorry and so then you know if someone if you sent a card to someone's house and that code has not come in yet then you know I suppose the people that you're hiring those are people don't go to that door and say hey here's your code let me help you fill it out correct those are our enumerators that's actually the largest part of the census is going to door saying hi you didn't respond please fill it out okay and um when do you when are you wanting to hire those people and and what we're starting the process now because there is a background check and they do have to complete the application and everything has to be processed those positions won't start till spring of next year but prior to that we have the local census offices that are going to be opening we have address canvases that are verifying addresses new developments businesses so there are different positions that come on in phases and what's the wage and how many hours and just so we can say agent is variable based on locality so I don't know that off the top of my head I can bring it in for the next presentation so that way I have specifically for Pasco County in the different areas I guess it would be minimum wage no they actually pay above minimum wage simply because it is a temporary job they pay weekly and you do have flex schedules because they know that they're attracting someone to a temporary job it's all surprise for staff when do we think this will be completed so the census or the complete company simply count when it's when it's all over okay we're looking at summer so tip over yes summer of 2020 you'll be done completely done with a count by summer 2012 eight well first right that's why it's kind of where we're trying to move a count April 1st is census day we're encouraging everyone the first due date is April 1 2020 everyone is supposed to have responded by that date we know that everyone does not respond so then we start a non-response follow-up non-response follow-up goes into early summer and that's the last chance at that point they can't answer after that the numbers are done so the complete count committee we asked them to stay on through summer because we want them to be able to say because they're people of the community so when they say hey listen someone's going to come on your door these are their identifying marks you need to talk to them because that means you have not responded so we asked them to stay on so we're looking till about end of summer in the summer so possibly by August 2020

we will have the numbers the reason I ask that is because we're gonna have to start our redistricting process well we won't actually have the numbers that's always asking the numbers don't come out the numbers have to be processed given to those ordering oh I'm sorry I thought you meant the number we're doing that's gonna be spring of 2021 okay so we won't have yes oh okay that's what I was wondering yes I'm sorry I thought you meant we want to be able to start producing as soon as possible because if not it causes problems right but one so we don't start our redistricting until after to win after we get the numbers from the census it's bring up 21 so we won't probably until the summer we can start putting together the redistricting team 22 are you 22 are the I'm just thinking about about I'm just together well I just we had school board members we have lots of people who have yeah we're just okay so yeah we just have to have done for election of 22 plenty of time though yeah right mr. chairman yes no just a general consensus question so when when this survey goes out if you're a citizen did ask you that question if you're illegal hasn't been determined it's before the Supreme Court whether or not the citizenship question will even be on the census it has not been in the past and when they decide then we'll know if it's on there okay so they just look for the number of bodies that here whether you're a citizen or not we go citizen is just kind of like a non citizen right it's everyone that lives in the United States at that particular given time okay okay any other questions interesting it's gonna be an interesting experience yeah yep yes well I look forward to working with Pasco County I very much appreciate it and I'll follow up with the County Administrator so you have offices local someone yes we are opening local census offices and that's where the base is gonna be for all of our field operations where are you basing your regional the regional office for this region is in Atlanta because we cover seven states and so the regional office is in Atlanta but we have local census offices within each of the counties Oh within these County okay sounds good thank you very much Thank You wonderful appreciate that I ended ends are regular items and now we move on to old business first one this past weekend Motorsports coast Pasco County along with Evans health center ice hosted the Sunshine State Games at Advent Health Center ice in Taekwondo was a bishop McLaughlin and figure skating like I said was it about health center ice had the opportunity to participate in the open ceremonies for the figure skating originally was estimated two hundred ninety three figure skaters were participate it went up to 340 which was the final count amazing event just just great skaters figure skaters obviously and then at Bishop McLaughlin the Taekwondo and what was really neat is that we had four from two former Olympians John Zimmerman and Lyndon Johnson John lives and actually

Wesley Chapel yes and that's Lyndon Johnson like his name he's down in Sarasota and both former Olympians that were figure skaters so and they actually Bothan coached a number of skaters that participated so that was an another great event for Florida sports code so we were excited to host that where to is I know there was a lot of things going on during this time but last week blue heron Singh community did their groundbreaking in Wesley Chapel they're going to have the first skilled nursing facility in Wesley Chapel which was very much needed we're excited about that they're also going to have an assisted living portion and a memory care unit estimated about 225 permanent jobs but they're already starting to use local construction services a lot of them based out of I could see out of Baskerville County and in the future they may add an IL to that to an independent living a portion for that campus so great addition to Pasco County that's all I have thank you hard Thank You mr. Arky yes that very interesting testicle a water executive committee meeting yesterday it's kind of interesting Commissioner Merman said that 76 people a day are moving to Hillsborough County and we've got forty so just between us one hundred and hundred and ten right there no my master okay so the let's see one of the issues that came up was the cost Tembe water is going through a study on how to pay for water quality and and the the check is pretty big to fix water quality issues 300 million dollars is what they're talking about so that's not gonna be all at one time the idea is to gradually phase that in but one of the things that we talked about at the executive committee meeting that we could do to help lower that big expense was to discuss in Pasco we don't have one of those fertilizer bans or we don't have those regulations that the other counties have and if you look at all the development that's coming say that will be coming in Angeline that Bexley those watersheds I mean I know mine cuz I was on that board that the river basin starts in Connerton and that whole watershed comes through Trinity and West Pasco and affects some of our well fields and and and so I wonder if we need to look at maybe doing something like some other other counties have done in the summer where you limit the fertilizer you said out of you know affecting our water quality and and so we can be smart about making sure that our water quality I thought when they talk about water quality are they talking about potable water are they talking about storm water well you know how the water flows it goes into the final well the wall don't it wetlands it perks down gets into the aquifer and yeah and then maybe you you have some chemicals in your water so it's just something we talked about it at one time I don't know whatever happened with that so we we will bring that back Joe Richards in my office has put together a group of what your surrounding jurisdictions are doing and

we can put that on your next agenda okay something else that I reminded the executive team at Tampa Bay Water was that when John Gallagher was here and Jerry Maxwell was the head of Tampa Bay Water they had a an agreement I think was a gentlemen's agreement I'm not sure anything was written down but I'll have to ask Gallagher that we could put the orange belt trail alignment over the alignment could go over the Tampa Bay water easement and so I talked to Mike about that to talk with Sam benek as they're working on the route study we do have that ability to route the trail onto the Tampa Bay water easement and of course we have to work with them on on how that would look and the so that'd be Chuck Hardin that our staff would be need to be working with but I just wanted to remind everybody that we do have that capability and are at our next tip of a water meeting they are bringing in the the attorney who I think it's name is Nickerson the Nell is in Gainesville who helped to run local agreement to bring historical knowledge to what was intended to be included in Tampa Bay water because as you know we have this kind of contentious tap project coming from the city of Tampa and it's raises a whole lot of questions about whether or not a member of the utility can go can supply water I guess I'm saying that right so um so Ronnie you need to plan for a long meeting the next I'm next board meeting but I've been wanting to make sure that I kept you up to date on what is going on at Tampa Bay water a lot of fireworks flying around from County to County and not us we're staying out of it but me and there were there were a lot of there was a lot of jabbing going on between the different cities and counties at that at our executive meeting and yeah I think that's all I have okay mr. wells I may have something this afternoon but not right now I'm waiting to hear thank you all right Thank You mr. chairman I was up at Sunwest over the weekend they had the Eagles had their third annual State Fair was a great day for the kids they get fed popcorn candy play games had to had a great day out there and I want to say the team did a great job on the sidewalks that are out there and the wall that's up there and the extra sand barrier protecting so that every gap is covered now so the sin doesn't blow away it looks good as well as gonna be effective I know they're trying to work on a date for the Hudson splash pad they try to do it today I said today is not a good day so they may be reaching out to us what's that I hadn't seen it if it made a gun yeah they were they're working on dates so keep an eye out for that there should be a good day I want to say I'm mr. Carvelle around c7c 27c 28 I didn't pull it the dates in there are very flexible as far as getting the work done if you can maybe speed those up with I think would be good I know what we got pretty good cushion at a time I just I didn't want to pull it for that reason but you just

kind of keep a look on that two and a half to almost two and three forty years ago now had a meeting up at Sea Ranch we talked about dredging and dredging is very important there was a Facebook post from one person on Beacon woods neighborhood and just like everybody started chirping on it so I was pushing with staff to find out how the project coming is coming for Gulf harbors and Hudson they tried to get an agenda item first today it looks like a look B coming up on June but I want to make sure we do look at it that we get a good comprehensive study and making sure we do everything we need to do to get Hudson done as well as the Gulf harbors projects completed and I know there's a issue maybe a little bit of money to you may need but I think it's important as well we at least get that study till you take the next step everyone agree Hudson challenge yes this go is built to stay within the money authorized a hundred thousand dollars and so we're gonna do as much of the studies we can for the money authorized no we're not well going over the budget that the board is set for that project well let me let me say this to you because when I first read the first part of what you were sending out it looked like you were gonna finish the Gulf harbors part that was good but it you may not finish the hudson channel and I want to tell you when we finished that channel you're gonna correct me it doesn't we've we've been renegotiating to to ensure that we're getting okay proper attention to the Hudson channel and the Gulf harbour area and and I'm trying to make sure that in case you run short on what you've been told to be allocated that you at least bring it forward because here's what happened the Hudson channel last time we dredged it all the way out we knew on a map does about twice the size of this room there's several spots we missed we even shrunk it from a five foot depth to four point seven five there's a bunch of rocks that we're out there we knew they were out there and I will tell you okay so there's progress and these are the things we need so what I don't want to do is shortchange that channel again and make sure we're gonna make it which we could have done an over dredged provision setting it up instead of forty four foot wide which is extremely dangerous to get it to the sixty-five foot with the over dredge provision so if you need extra money to come back to us I just want to make sure the board understands bring us back that option but this is just a study I mean this the rest there is no dredging no Jess no no but I want you make sure you can just study the whole thing I don't want you to study part of it say well we went three quarters the way out and then I guess we didn't finish it the concern there is there's a hundred thousand dollars set aside do the study and there's no funding source for any additional money and so the board would have to decide where they wanted to find that from correct so what I want to see so what I'm asking you to do when you do this

negotiate with them but you can negotiate 200 but I want you to also if need be if it's a hundred and twenty thousand that you bring it back to the board so this board can make a decision do we want to spend if the number is I'm just throwing a number out there if it's 20 grand so be it I want to have that number when it comes to us not to say he just you know the whole itemized the contract and what happened yeah itemized atomize what you know to negotiate and let us know what's not getting into it I think we've negotiated covers Hudson channel with with the same level of diving there's some underwater activities that are gonna go on but I understand what the board thank you the county of Fernando has a Brazilian pepper ordinance I would like us to take a look at that as well it's about eradication where if you see them growing and it's on your property you have to take care of them how can you have the county can I have asked kind of attorney to look at that and then bring that to us I've had several residents from up and down the coast ask about it I would add coke and grass which is growing like we're spreading it like crazy it might be all the days of species so maybe that's what it is I believe I will update you I believe we looked at that and the costs were too great and the Commission didn't want to proceed forward with it but I'll be happy to oh my file but I remember when it came out we looked at Hernando County's ordinance and maybe we take another one it may like it may be a different board at this book I don't remember I just remember I just remember the ordinance okay now so we did the Gulf few apartments groundbreaking mr. Starkey was there and people excited a lot of people are excited about a lot they picked a lot of local companies to do the work and I think the products going to be phenomenal those who may not be familiar what's going to have granite countertops stainless steel appliances some nice pool setups connecting right to the back of the mall which i think is gonna be a great addition and they've actually started leasing a lot of properties in the mall which were kind of vacant but knowing this projects coming forward they're going to move it forward so very excited about that Commissioner Mariano in your district you know we both went to the harbor the harbors dedication on the the habitat house I drove through there yesterday and there there are a lot of properties that have been condemned and they're taped up and people are dumping on the you know they got that yellow tape around them and it really it really looks really bad in there I know where in the future it will look really good but right now with the condemned properties still being up people are dumping and for the for the people that are left it's a really scary situation so I'd like to know if what the condemnation removal plan is out there and that in the cleanup schedule for some of those sites because if they

there and would get out of there once we're done do so they have large events on there but when you just have two lane roads just gets tough on traffic so that's changing so that that's all I have mr. chairman yes um I keep meaning to ask this a number of years ago we approved a memorial to be built with the the sheriff's office on the grounds of the courthouse and nothing's ever had its we thought they were coming forward to actually build that facility back in I say facility it's a memorial for the Fallen officer we were looking for him come in in February and it didn't happen it still hasn't happened they're working at trying to find some contractor to do the work I understand now the problem is is their funds are kind of limited so I think they're having issues finding one that'll just donate the work they're not only I don't believe they're gonna do that so but mr. chairman that memorial is gonna be a great one for the future right there at the courthouse yes I could I was at the event where they just had the we just did another fundraiser over the some of the fire of first responders of kind of appreciation day they raise some more money this year so we think the money's getting close but the key part you just touched on is it is looking for a contractor right now to actually do the work so if there was a contractor out there that can do the work I think they're ready to make the next move but obviously they couldn't ago she ate the price to own it was out there and we actually could point out some to them to help them in that situation yeah we can if we can if we can network and find one farm that would be great but that I think if they get the right contract the right price they're gonna be able to make that next move to get it done right they may look for a little help for those two from permitting relief so it's gonna be a beautiful memorial rich there's some you know sin actually to the north northwest corner of the courthouse turned 18 historic for EM I just yeah but there was a rush about in February and we were all concerned and I've been working with them and trying to make it not be taking up the entire block there we have the historic courthouse and take over rather than being able c4 house make it the right size make it's so infants on the same areas the World War Two memorial sits and the it's going to be a great addition to the courthouse oh absolutely yep and it's coming o come sooner than later okay with that we will adjourn to no 131 we've come back for our meeting [Music] good afternoon everyone I would like to call back to order the Pasco County Board of County Commission meeting of May 21st 2019 I would like to remind everyone present to please silence all electronic devices at this time we will go through the resolutions madam Clerk the first resolution is for mark spooty as anyone here representing mark scooty thank you and deny pronounce the last name correctly okay resolution number 19 - 1 7 0

resolution by the Board of County Commissioners of Pasco County Florida commending battalion chief marks moody for 30 years of dedicated service to Pasco County and congratulating him on his retirement whereas battalion chief marks booty with hazard Pasco County Fire Rescue with highest distinction since May 30 1989 and as a superb leader in fire and emergency medical services an res over the course of Chiefs pootie's 30 year career with Pasco County he diligently moved up through the ranks of a firefighter to his current position as battalion chief we're embracing the county's core values of respect integrity innovation and service excellence an R as chief spooty has received numerous commendations from the citizens as well as fellow servants of Pasco County for his heroic efforts in life-threatening situations for example in a letter former chief fire chief and Anthony Lowe Pinto expressed his gratitude for the efforts put forth by chief spooty during a flood in 1993 stating that despite the many obstacles you continue to perform to the very best of your ability to protect those people whose fates would be unknown if it had not been for your courage and bravery and Raz chiefs bootys contribution to the Pasco County Fire Rescue Department our extensive including but not limited to regularly assisting in the training and mentorship of both potential young firefighters in the Explorer program as well as volunteer firefighters Chiefs putti took on many improvements projects such as pouring cement for a sidewalk at station 14 painting the interior of station 28 and building bunker gear racks at station 23 an r as chief spooty has embodied the highest standards of leadership he has always led by example with the safety of his crew at the forefront he managed his crews consistent consistently and fairly working to promote an atmosphere of collaboration and brotherhood and whereas on May 30th 2019 battalion chief of marks pootie will officially retire from Pasco County Fire Rescue and be greatly missed by his colleagues and the citizens of Pasco County he served now therefore be it resolved by the Board of County Commissioners of Pasco County Florida that said board hereby commence Battalion Chief marks booty for 30 years of dedicated service to the citizens of Pasco County congratulate him on his retirement and wishes him well in his future endeavors done and resolved in regular session with a quorum present and voting this 21st day of may 2019 okay I've got a motion in a second all those in favor say aye motion passed chief Kaysen good afternoon mr. chairman members of the board Scott Kathryn Fire Rescue Fire Chief unfortunately a battalion chief Mark's booty could not be here this afternoon so he did forward off a letter he would like me to read to you real quick - damn vials and the Board of County Commissioners I'm writing a response to the invitation to the

retirement resolution on Tuesday May 21st although I am unable to be present I want to thank you for this acknowledgement well I appreciate this acknowledgement I feel that I simply did the job that I was hired to do 30 years ago I feel that I have always been a dedicated employee and have done my job to the best of my ability I want to thank all of you for the opportunity I've had to serve the citizens of Pasco County for the last 30 years it has been a great career and has helped me provide well for my family I've had the opportunity to have worked with many great people along the way I've seen some incredible changes throughout the years as the county and the department have grown well I will not be employed to be afforded all of the additional benefits that are forthcoming I do want to thank you for working with the County Fire Rescue administration and our union to make these benefits a reality thank you sign Battalion Chief Mark spooty all right chief I'll just bring this down to you since he's not here but obviously we all of us appreciate his service over the years so we're sorry let's break this down here lofty and you can get it to a mocha absolutely I'll pass that along thank you very much [Applause] artoo you may don't have okay so is anyone here regarding Public Works resolution number two come on out come on out everybody everybody don't be bashful all right resolution number 19 - one seven one resolution by the Board of County Commissioners of Pasco County Florida declaring the week of May 19th through the 25th 2019 as National Public Works week in Pasco County and encouraging all citizens to support public works activity this week and throughout the year whereas Public Work professionals focus on infrastructure services that are that are the vital importance to sustainable and resilient communities and to the public health quality of life and well-being of the citizens of Pasco County and whereas these infrastructures and services could not be provided without the dedicated efforts of the county's Public Works professionals who are engineers managers employees and at all level responsible for rehabilitating improving maintaining and protecting the county's transportation network and stormwater infrastructures that are essential to our citizens and whereas it is the public interest for the civic leaders residents and children of Pasco County to gain knowledge of all of and to maintain a progressive interest in understanding the importance of public works and public work programs in their respective communities and whereas effective efficiency of the qualified dedicated and talented employees whose staff Public Works is materially influenced by their can-do attitude and understanding of the importance of the work they perform andraz the night of the year 2019 marks the 59th annual national Public Works

week sponsored by the American Public Works Association who wishes to recognize the Public Works employees for their substantial contribution made to a health safety comfort and quality of life now therefore be it resolved by the Board of County Commissioners of Pasco County Florida that said board hereby declares a week of May 19th through the 25th 2019 as National Public Works week and encourages all citizens to support public works activity this week and throughout the year done and resolved in regular session with a quorum present and voting this 21st day of May 2019 for approval a motion second all those in favor say aye aye and I was like saying all right you know how important your work is for for the citizens in our County and uh I like elected last year was the first year since I've been elected that we didn't have water in anybody's house so I'm very thankful for that and love for you to say some some words to the board and I was looking for Michael Garrett because I saw in an email that he's retiring but he didn't come so y'all Michael Michael is retiring so send us some good wishes then I'll come down and give these to you and board members if you want to go down but will there's so many we'll stand back up okay all right floor is yours thank you Jamie Morales the assistant public work director good afternoon honorable commissioners executive directors colleagues and general pelvics we thank you for the recognition recognizing the role of the everyday of our troops of women and men to serve our communities preserve our infrastructure and natural resources and to ensure the safety of our citizens the gratifications of our leaders our citizens as the energy that marks us or makes us strive to achieve excellence in our our daily work on behalf of our team members I extend our sincere gratitude for the recognition and we hope to continue servicing our community as as we construct a better future for the citizens of Pasco County we also extend our gratitude to every member of our team for their daily effort on delivering at the utmost customer service to our community your passion empathy dedication and willingness is much valued and appreciate and congratulations for you recognition thank you thank you very much thank you [Applause] [Music] we're gonna go stand up in the back [Music]

[Laughter] [Music] Thank You team s time for resolution three all right is anyone here for safe boating week to the podium okay resolution number 19 - one seven - a resolution by the Board of County Commissioners of Pasco County Florida declaring the week of May 18th through May 24 2009 teen as national safe boating week in Pasco County whereas the national safe boating Council was organized in September of 1958 under the name national safe boating committee and res the goal of the national safe boating Council is to improve voter behavior through education awareness and training to make recreational boating a safe and enjoyable experience by reducing boating accidents andraz the mission of the national safe boating Council is to be the foremost coalition to advance and promote a safer recreational boating experience through education outreach and training an res knowledge and skills are important in reducing human error and improving judgement for safer waterways and whereas in accordance with the Florida Fish and Wildlife Commission requirements and the mission of the United States Coast Guard classes are offered monthly by new port richey Flotilla 11-6 and holiday flotilla 11-7 United States Coast Guard Auxiliary and whereas during safe boating week the new port richey flotilla 11-6 and holiday flotilla 11-7 US Coast Guard axillary will place vessel examiner's at the boat ramps to examine each boat to ensure safety requirements are met and whereas other flotilla members will be discussing safe boating measures such as lifejackets flares fire extinguishers registration and safe boating practices throughout the week andraz boaters are encouraged to be conscientious and deliberate and making choices that will encourage well that will ensure a safe boating experience to all boaters enjoying the water rays of our community now therefore be it resolved by the Board of County Commissioners of Pasco County Florida the said board hereby recognizes the importance of safe boating and hereby declares May 18th through May 24th 2019 national safe boating week in Pasco County done and resolved in regular session with a quorum present and voting this 21st day of May 2019 approval favor say aye aye thank you Jim before we come down appreciate it on behalf of the Coast Guard and the American boating public I bring you a message thank you thank you thank you for thank you for helping our keep our waterways safer with all that you do we look come down take a picture yep that concludes the resolutions so now is the time for public hearings start off with p1 mr. chairman p1 is an ordinance creating the Gulf harbors neighborhood park municipal service benefit unit providing for boundaries providing for levy M non had valorem special assessments providing for municipal services to be funded providing for severability and an effective date after consultation with the administrator and

the Parks and Recreation team we are recommending that this be continued to a date Unser motion motion I make that motion okay a motion second all those in favor and I believe this roll call no no continue into the future okay all those in favor say aye aye all opposed like sign motion passes continue P 2 P 2 is an ordinance of Pasco County Board of County Commissioners repealing chapter 70 - 876 laws of Florida providing for ratification of past actions and for for severability and providing for an effective date I think I've briefed each one of you individually about this special act that was discovered in doing some other research in after consultation with members of the House Local Government Committee legal resource legal general counsel's office is their position that because the this special act was enacted two years after the constitutional revision the section that I was planning on repealing this under of the Constitution is inapplicable so we are recommending at this point that the the ordinance be withdrawn the board action after taking public comment the board action that we are requesting rather than adoption of the ordinance is to request the legislative delegation to file a local bill repealing chapter 78 76 laws of Florida I have a sign-up sheet I have no one listed there for that item is there anyone in the audience won't speak to p2 seeing no one wants pleasure of the board got a motion second and a second all those in favor say aye aye opposed like sign motion passed thank you all right p3 2019 yeah good afternoon Justin Ressler assistant solid waste director p3 is an ordinance amending chapter 90 article 2 of the Pasco County Code of Ordinances solid waste collection and disposal visions one and two sections 90 - 2 790 - four seven nine - four nine ninety - 50 relating to recycling providing for repealer providing for severability providing for and for the applicability providing for an inclusion in code providing an effective date so we represent two items on public meeting today this ordinance change is related to recycling services it does not relate to the residential collection rate what this ordinance does is it implements once per week recycling requires that haulers provide recycling cards to residents upon request and removes glass from the list of recyclables in relation to to service at CDs and HOAs this would not implement service once a week under their current contract however the current language of this ordinance it would require them to bring that to speed once our current contract lapse if the board so directs we can amend that provision to allow them to negotiate separate services I have a sign-up sheet mr. chairman yes I speak of that item yes okay so I had talked to some folks and within CD DS and HOAs and they just needed some clarification so I reached out the staff and I was given partial

clarification but we'll just I'm just going to ask to it we can amend the agreement to add that unless the license holder and a homeowner's association or Community Development District mutually agree upon a lesser frequency these CDs and HOAs have separate contracts with the haulers so we just want to make sure that those can stay in play in the future so I would just ask that we move for with this at the board obviously proves that and map station and that would be a change to section 1947 subparagraph 3 correct yeah thank you talking about it so that they're if they're not doing what we're doing they're doing less they need to come into code when their contract comes up so some do more some some do more now but mine does too minority does this now yes I'm donut yeah so concerns among some between HOAs or CDs that have their individual agreements with the haulers they also budget for that within their CDD budgets some paid that fee themselves to the haulers versus allowing for example you where I live we we pay directly to the haulers kuribon's still negotiate we've played directly haulers some of the CDs ancient ways actually collect that within their HOA dues or their dues paid directly to the haulers so they have concerns about budgeting I mean about their current budgets and they wouldn't be able to continue to negotiate those terms themselves as they do now with the haulers when their agreements up like mine's in my CDD fee so when they agreements up with this holler if it's a two-year agreement or whatever it is they would need to either continue to negotiate with the the hauler if they prefer to pay a lesser rate if they want to the holler agrees that or they can if they don't want to do as they as a neighborhood say yes EDD decided they don't want to there's not a need for them to go to one they still isn't one to do to half they can still do to half they want to do now I did just have a conversation with one of the hall there's a second ago before this meeting we were all standing there too and they want to move forward with this at least that person day but I mean if this time we're gonna do countywide I think would I do it countywide I don't know that we need to make an exception for one community or another community no you can't do that right so they so CDs are for example a separate government yep yeah entity they could or a label to negotiate these contracts themselves we need to be able to continue to allow them to do that that was not in that language so currently right now would just be till the contracts ended after that ends they still should be able to negotiate those contracts as they see fit with the haulers whether they decide they decide this allows them this changing this language allows them to do that what I'm saying is we're gonna allow them instead of doing like we're gonna make have in this contract it says site recycling would be two days a week one day a week one day a week but so you're saying if they don't want to recycle one new week

they don't have to it's just I'm just kind of clearing things they still want to do a half they could do the half they could do one on one off they wanted to if not I need to have this continue just assume that because this is a permit here's the issue I here's the issue to the is so I went to staff to get an answer for these people and only half was correct so that's the information I gave these folks yeah so yeah and I don't think anybody in that audience wants to continue this so you haven't heard that any negative feedback from anybody mean about doing it that's my concern is if we're gonna have everyone do it obviously we saw the benefit of having it one day a week we saw the benefit I don't know how we can expect them to do less that doesn't make sense to me because they're well they have the opportunity and their own agreement but I can ago she ate price and stuff but they still need to do two one just like everybody I agree because the whole idea on this is to have motion graphs going into the I know people don't want to continue this and then now you're putting when I want to see we're putting people in a situation that are negotiating contracts we need allow them consider it continue to negotiate their green can negotiate their price they just need to have recycling once a week again now I'm gonna go back to the other issue then the other issue is the information I was given was an incorrect information that I had to give out to these people now so the information is correct they're not here today to speak are there two hearings on this no there's only one but we can modify it let me ask you it's an easy modification and it seemed to me that the in will let anybody in the audience obviously speak on this in a second but the one holder I talked to a minute ago was fine with that Commissioner the Chairman yes let me ask the question if they're allowed to choose their days doesn't their recycling they had to match up to that of the rest of the county right it would be going against recycling coming in to you so john power pastor County Solid Waste writer County will set the minimum level of service typically what would happen the HOA a CDD then would be able to go out and negotiate pricing based upon the volume so there is language in the rule that would allow people to negotiate pricing so and then following up with this on P 3 P 18 we also have one that will address the price increase for the haulers as well as covering for the additional or taking that one separately that's that's a separate idea separate item john was a level of service we said we typically set the level of service they they can they the haulers can increase that level but in pass it was always that they had to maintain at least the minimum level service that we think okay but if they go if somebody if this amendment was adopted in a CDD negotiated their current level service which is every other week for recycling does that negatively impact level of service county wire is that something

y'all can deal it's basically just for the HR a CVD I mean is a good effect us as really is it's gonna be the hauler that that's going to have to deal with that you know they do the collections so whatever they negotiate in that collection as far as our operations its I could affect us yeah okay mr. chairman yes you know this is something we've talked about for many many years and I will tell you personally when you're trying to figure out is this Wednesday or this Thursday is that next week is this week you have five weeks in a month and it's tough to keep track of sometimes and I think their frustration leave people over the years there's probably just said I'm not going to bother doing it we knew we've got big issues with our waste energy facility and the more we can take out of that facility the quicker the better off we are in Commissioner Morrey I know you wanted to take care of your CDs and I appreciate that but they can negotiate if they don't get the right negotiation with one holiday go to another hauler that we're not going to tie their hands negotiate but we need to have everybody to the same level of service to make sure that everybody's going to recycle and I think we we can't make exceptions with those folks so mr. chairman mr. biles the issue isn't the ability to negotiate price the issue is we're setting a floor for level of service right now there are CDs and HOAs that are below that floor right when their contract expires a current language says you have to come up to our floor I think there are CDs and a Joe is out there that would still like the opportunity the option to maintain their current level of service the information that was passed on was that they have that flexibility which was not didn't match the actual language the ordinance and so they may have been here today at the public hearing if they had had the right information that I think that's the only issue and so I think so here's a question you may not agree with that and I might and I'm not saying you should you should whatever but the incorrect information was given to me by staff which I gave to them so they're not here today because of that how can we move forward when I got incorrect information with staff and told them no you have nothing to worry about you'll be able to continue to negotiate these agreements how was that fair it's not so either we amend or we continue it's one of the other because if not you can answer those people and tell them why you move forward something when they were told something different by staff and it was incorrect chairman yes John is it's not the case like we the information we gave out wasn't accurate I mean obviously I believe the commissioner but I just want to make sure yeah that is then we then we have we need to continue we want to make sure they get there they're raised to the force they get the additional funds well 18 is a separate issue okay well then we're gonna have to continue it it's the right thing to do to make sure the folks get the right

information forth okay I support your emotional want to continue and I wanted this to move forward with this amendment because I know that's what people in the audience would like to see move forward to which is the next meeting we will bring this back to in 4th June 4th and beforehand I worked on that one just worked with staff to make this amendment so they could continue doing what they do now when I second your motion commissioner okay I got a motion in a second and under discussion but under discussion I want to say I agree with what Commissioner Mariano saying is the whole intent of this is to move everyone to once a week recycling so I'd so make sure that they know that everybody is gonna go to once a week recycling they can negotiate any price they want but as far as I'm concerned if someone chooses to not go to once a week once a week recycling and to put more stuff into our facility then they gotta pay a higher fee because of ideas to save money that's not the issue here is the incorrect information really but it but is the information that they could go to once a twice a month recycling and get out of the push to go to once a week for sex that's the intent I'm not okay with that intent I understand the language I know you know we don't want to put Commissioner Moore in a spot where he's passing information incorrect information I totally support that but I just saying if the idea is to get out of what we want everyone to do I don't support that I'm okay with moving it Thank You mr. chairman and again for many many years we've tried to get to this point the discussions been out there overwhelmingly the people want us to go this way to allow a couple of CDs not to do it I will tell you I mean do you really do would you really change your mind and I'm okay to continue at this point but would you really change your mind if people are just going to come in and say we don't want to go do it we still have the same issue with the waste waste to energy plant it's gonna cost a fortune for all the citizens here this quicker week put this delay off the better and if what if once EDD says you know what I could save two or three bucks a month per person well now another CD wants to go do it we're gonna let them all go do it well then can't just let one do it or to do it and if they want to come in here before if they're going to talk to us we can listen but bottom line is this is something that is we've got to address this waste energy the best way we can and taking off those recyclables is the information we've got clearly shows that lower burning temperature we can burn more trash no no no no in fact we can do that I'll even go to the civic associations as well why we need to go do this so they won't invite me out there I'd be happy to go talk to me why this is so critical because because I want everybody on board I want everybody feel good about what we're doing but we've got to make the best decision for all of Pasco County and if that means putting recycling once a week so that we

can make our waste to energy plant work better and get three cite you're getting the circulars out that's we need to go do but you need to have that conversation I will and I'll be happy to go out to any CDD to say why I feel it's the right thing to do a problem with that but the fact of it is we gave out some wrong information I think citizens need to be heard and I think given until that continuing this - June 4th to be fine this is a public hearing and I have one person signed up sorry let me keep going for a second all right I just think we can stay on the same we can stay on the timeline right even this is getting moved to two weeks down the road all right we can stay on this okay I want to make sure we're gonna stay on the timeline of moving Hornets itself or the rates and okay mr. chairman if they speak today will they be allowed to speak well this is this is an ordinance it's not a land-use matter that that's completely up to the board I would I would almost suggest that you take public comment so that if there are other changes to the ordinance we can deal with that in the next two weeks versus versus a land-use matter which which they have a limited number of times to speak but so I would recommend you take public comment comment comment we got one person signed up for this item a question one person signed up but didn't identify the item Elizabeth Gaskins are you here to speak on this item or a different item one item what item are you here to speak on late to this item what what item is it we're asking it's not an item on our agenda then you could have spoke this morning on comment and not you can't speak now on that County Commission and they tape it but someone else oh pass the buck and I'm sorry but you can't speak on that Island today not at this time these are all public hearing items thank you so we do have a person signed up from strategic materials I there's no name written down sir so if you could please state your name for the record I'm sorry chairman members my name is Joe Meyer no address please to wait my office Mei er H o FF my address is one one eight two zero four North metal curved lens from Minnesota five five zero four five thank you okay I am here to speak about the glass section of this amendment strategic materials is the largest glass recycler processor in the country we also have a one of our third our third largest plant is between sarasota and bradenton we process approximately 10,000 tons of glass out of that facility every month it's a it's a considerable part of our business and any time that we hear anybody talking about taking glass out as you can imagine makes our heart skip a beat or two so just a couple things I'd like to go over real quick it's it states that the removal glass is necessary because as as significantly depresses recyclable markets that's not true the depressed recyclable markets right now our paper in plastic glass is not glass is a very stable market glass has nothing to do with do with the China sort everything

is returning the glass stays regional not only do we process the glass here in Florida but we also sell the glass to the end-user the bottle bottle manufacturers happen to be in Florida also anchor glass their corporate office is out of Tampa and their processing plant is up in Jacksonville so once again in regards to glass as a contam I agree that there are a lot of contaminants issues that we have to address with recycling but it's it's what ends up contaminating the glass which brings the value down we either pay for our chart for glass based on the amount of contaminants that comes in the glass when we get it from from the Murph's the the material recovery facilities for example clean glass comes in we pay between twenty twenty-five dollars a ton for dirty glass comes in depending on dirty this we charge upwards of twenty to thirty dozens of dollars a ton for they even at those charge rates we generally can work with the recycler to bring it in at least lower than landfill costs the next would be the forty percent number I don't I didn't have a chance to look at this study I ándale this kind of situation throughout the United States it's very very very rare that class is forty percent of the recycled goods it's normally between twenty and thirty percent if in fact it is forty percent then we really need to address the glass in Pasco County's recycling collection and make sure we try and get our hands on it that's a significant amount what I suspect is that that number is lumped in with the contamination all the other stuff that ends up in in the glass and they lump it together but but I'm not sure as far as reducing costs I'm sorry your time's up alright thank you I've certainly answer any questions we have any yeah mr. chairman yes could we could we hear more from him though this is like very important information okay okay I thank you as far as cost like I briefly mentioned we have a sliding scale we pay for it if it's clean we charge for it if it's dirty we're certainly willing to work with the with the contracted recycler in the area to determine that pricing and to work on that it's very rare that we can't seem to come to terms on it of course a lot of times it comes home to the dollar and wants to spend a dollar on cleaning up the glass but this once again is a is a contamination issue that starts at the curbside it's people throwing stuff in their recycling that doesn't belong in their recycling and and I'm sure the murse would agree agree with that statement as far as the cost if you take glass side of the recycling and the recycler was dealing with it as a contamination it's going to landfill if you take it out of the recycling at the home and the homeowner throws it in the garbage can it's going to the landfill landfill costs are probably pretty close by there it's coming from the recycler or from the homeowner so as far as a reduction in cost yes there would be a slight reduction of cost

because transportation is involved but as far as the disposal of the of the product it would remain the same it's one of the landfill either either way I realized that I'm coming in a little late on this I apologize our gentleman his name is Tom Burns has been working with glass in Florida for over 30 years he just recently came down with some medical issues and it's kind of in been hurried into a retirement as I stated I'm from Minnesota I'm in the process of moving out of Sarasota and I handle the Florida Georgia and Carolinas of her territory I'm just starting to get my toes wet or sandy with recycling in in Florida so at the very least I of course I would like you to not agree to pull glass out of the recycling but at the very least table this give me the opportunity to work with the contracted recycler and see if we can come up with a resolution so we can keep glass in the recycling mr. powers have you talked to this these folks before anything so I'm not gonna direct contact with them Jennifer recycling folks have right and I like to clarify the 40% is by weight it's not 5 there are you shouldn't wait we're currently paying $45 a ton to transport the materials down to a merc that importantly they are the end user if it's not contaminated armor and they're pushing back with us but they went clean plants so at the time we're paying forty five and five twenty twenty our contracts been disappear so we're gonna see that price go up drastically so yes it will go to the landfill go through the waste energy Freddie which will be burned it'll go out back we are working with the OT about reusing ash Lance came up they say the glass was would not impact it so the county's benefit it would be cheaper and for long-term range at this time with the market the way this it would be beneficial for us to continue this as we're okay all right can we just sell you the glass directly that's where the issue lies so I've just a quick explanation I'm where the glass processor we're worried if we don't the MuRF we rely on the MuRF to bring to separate those recycled goods and we get the glass on the MuRF in a lot of cases I don't know specifically even who the contractor older is but typically what happens when I suspect is correct is that the Murph isn't doing their due diligence and getting the glass cleaned up and and so they're allowing a contaminant residual from the recycling to go into the glass stream the glass is the very first thing that comes out of the recycling stream it goes so when the when the Murph operator doesn't want to spend the time or the upgrades in order to get the glass clean they used to at one point more unlikely that brings that value down like I said if the glass was clean it goes the other way if it's dirty it comes but generally like I said we can work with most Murph's if they're willing to get glass cleaned up to a point where at least it's not a negative but we need a little bit of time in order to work on that to see if it can possibly be done

at home you can you can get contact mesh and look into it up to you well I mean we'd be glad to put out a request for Proposal right on the southern glass I mean we'd welcome that going oh great yeah I'm just thinking of this as the mixed glass is mixed at the curb we don't separate the citizen so separated so contamination is not just garbage and so on it's colored glass being broken and commingled so very difficult to recycle in kind of a program I can't have a single stream yeah all right you know where my daughter lived in in Washington and in Colorado they had to they were required to separate it out in their driveway and the glass all went in wine and I don't it was most of our glass that we recycle comes out of the single stream it comes from earth glass there there are several merge throughout the country that do their due diligence and cleaning the glass up and we have a very good relationship and do business with them so is there only one MuRF around here we had a piggyback with Hillsborough County currently right now Hillsborough County they have a ceiling at the recyclables that they won't be charged for the recycled materials so the 45 that we're paying right now is for transportation only after 2020 that ceiling disappears then there will be a processing fee on top of that and we don't see the market changing so it's going to again we're gonna end up paying a great deal more than $45 a ton what about a processing plant in Pasco County no nowhere has marketers then we consider it we think a lot of better wine here in Pasco County all right mr. chairman yes can you work without Murph and talk with them about cleaning up their operation and get back with us yeah yes absolutely okay anyone else it's not our Murph it's it's Murph that we use right thank you okay is anyone else here to speak to this item seeing none pleasure of the board once again just okay he's unfortunate this has to move ahead two weeks but he also want to see it get done yeah I get at the same time that information gets out you know I also have compromised you know yeah exactly I've continued to be supportive of the two more that's nothing with this latest issue it's fine that's not the issue okay I second that okay got a motion in a second to continue to June 4th all those in favor say aye all opposed like saying motion passed at this time we'll take we're going to jump forward and take P through P 18 already 18 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on May 9th 2019 having continued the ordinance I think you're forced to continue P 18 look to continued June 4th separate yeah I I realized but but our conversation this morning was that you needed the ordinance to be adopted to deal with a with the feet with a resolution that once it's approved next week then they have 90 days from the approval they have 90 days to comply without you sure we're right can they take action on the fear Eze Ellucian having not

approved the ordinance I believe they can because the the fee resolution says that they caller cannot charge a new rate until implementation of the new level of recycling service which would not take effect until adoption of the ordinance and what if the ordinance is modified at that hearing then they're gonna have to reconsider the action on the resolution correct yeah I think you're right it's probably best to postpone this because part of the fee increase is tied to the D or D the new right would be my recommendation to keep continued p18 okay I'll say the same June 4th that's my motion protective I had a motion was thinking to continue P 18 and that would be a June 4th at 1:30 or soon thereafter is at 1:30 years in thereafter same yeah II heard favor say aye I like saying motion passed thank you they'll move to p4 before was published in the Tampa Bay Times on January 25th 2019 Erich Hoeber islands playing in development Ida mp4 is the adoption hearing for PDD 1909 8 0 C pal 1908 legacy I will begin by reading the ordinance title into record an ordinance amending the pastored County Comprehensive Plan providing for a text moment to the legacy sub area policy flew seven point one point eighteen providing for a repeal or severability in an effective date the intent of the text summon it to the sub area policy flew seven point one point eighteen legacy is provide clarification between the sub area policy in the legacy and beauty also known as Astoria a story is located on the north side of State Road 54 one mile west of the Suncoast Parkway in three-quarters of a mile east of Gunn highway and this will conclude my presentation Planning and Development recommends approval of the proposed amendment by roll call vote and and please let me know if you have any questions and I would like to add on March 26 2009 teen the Board of County Commissioners authorized approval of the comprehensive plan amendment to the Department of Economic Opportunity I have no one signed up to talk to this item fussiness or hobbies here Clark hobby hobby a hobby PA one and I know it's Breast Street Tampa Florida we're in favor of staff's recommendation appreciate the board support thank you thank you got a motion second all in favor say aye [Music] and and it's a roll call vote yep so so mr. hobby was was representing the applicant right is there any other public comment for the for p4 so if that's the item that she's willing wants to speak to that's what she's gonna miss Gaskin can you please state your name and address for the record please I live all the United States you can lower that my name is Elizabeth Gaskins of the Gaskin settlement 18 2012 1762 1822 - range of directions removed - starting to remove whacked throughout 54 and therein in the Pasco County area that is the land of Lewis Gaskins always has been at sovereign land 54 as

belonging to the Gaskin settlement buddy lake lake lake settlement there there's many historical sites there in Pasco County that belonging to the my name since 1636 in the United States giving us to by the king and queen of England I'm a law teach the king and queen of England Elizabeth Gaskins Lewis gases Thomas Gaskins general coroner general captainship Gaskins Thomas kosygin's may the 14th - 17 898 we traveled in from South Carolina given us land of 2,000 acres of land and then the king and queen of England gave us back our land and allotments and I'm a lot the owner of that land off 454 highway 54 as william cemetery as also as well as the lake pasadena belonging to the Gaskin settlement it was called buddy Lake at one time buddy Lake settlement there was 33 million dollars placed in the House bill HR 1514 by Congress from an of Illinois that would be Danny Davis of see Denny Davis of 15 HR 1514 giving us back our land that was May the March the 5th of 2019 the House of Representative indigenous people of the United States that would be 16th district of Congress state a section section of the giant states cabinet that to us back thirty-three million dollars belonging to the reserve of the Cherokee Center Mall Freeman that were living there at the time that was given us this past month for month before back to us and a lot T's owned by the Gaskin cedam as well as my ancestors and the law dear the king the Queen of England given my family the land for 4 million down acres in their unincorporated land a state of Florida Gaskins Florida belonging to the gaston's land and incorporated land a state name in the city of Pasco County has failed to contact me fail to cooperate with me I went to the mere Pioneer Museum for changes and modifications on the my ancestors artifacts that are there in the Pioneer Museum and they have disregarded my calls disregarded me the Historical Society I went there last year to let them allow me to be an appearance while I can educate the public who American native are they've denied me that there's not taking care of the barrel sites they're filled with rubbish they've been looted they're not put fencing up the historical preservation of the American native peoples and I bring that to a highway 54 there on Fort King rogue leap year over Lake Pasadena Lake buddy heart corrode all that belonging to my family the you will talk of watch the nation I am the chieftess of the nation I am the oldest alder valor survivor of this of our tribe and I bring that to the house and I will close as my yield myself back to you ok ok anyone else to speak to the side you gotta come you don't emplyees you have to come to the podium give a name and address the clerk yes if you could give us at least your mailing address well I would like for Miss cactus skin to say hers and then you can state yours my Belling address is three nine four four two County Road 54 lot fifty Zephyrhills Florida three three five four - she has a copy of the house if it was named an address for the record at

least blame major night Elise Blake same address we're in a community there together and she asked me to come with her today and she would like to have the bill offered up so you can review it and look at it we didn't know who to give it to I'm not a boy Ward would take a motion to receive and file document is important to a case and that's all she really wanted you to have that reviewed because it's federally protected land in her opinion okay okay thank you thank you Mr hobby mr. chairman I'll keep this brief I listened to the comments from the lady about it and I believe she's very much mistaken about the location of the site she referenced buddy Lake in several other lakes which are in East Pasco County this sites in West Pasco County probably 20 25 miles from what she's talking about secondly I would just point out for the record when this site was originally approved for their story a subdivision that was a historic resources assessment performed there are no such Indian burial grounds on this site and it's been approved the state and been under continuous development for approximately ten years now thank you very much thank you is there anyone else here to speak to this item for approval second motion second this is by roll call vote Commissioner Commissioner tuch I'm sorry district 2 Commissioner Moore district 3 Commissioner Starkey I district 4 Commissioner Wells district 5 commissioner mariano district 1 chairman oakley i motion passed thank you now we go on to p5 item 5 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on March 1st 2019 and March 22nd 2019 again this is Erika winland planning and development for the record I'd mp5 PDD 1909 86 is the adoption of a large-scale comprehensive plan amendment CPL 1818 erin cut off i also begin this presentation by reading the ordinance idle into record an ordinance amending the Pasco County comprehensive plan providing for a large-scale comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use maps map 2-15 and sheet 13 changing from res 1 residential one dwelling unit per gross acre to rest six residential six Welling unit per gross acre on approximately thirty nine point ninety three acres of real property located on the southwest corner of Erin cutoff and Colleen table of our intersection approximately one mile northwest of Land O Lakes Boulevard providing for a repealer severability in an effective date on April 8th 2019 the BCC authorized transmittal the large scale comprehensive plan amendment to de ohh the subject property is located on the southwest corner of Aaron cut off in Caliente Boulevard as you can hear see here as an aerial representation here's an existing future land use map of resna and Welling unit per gross acre and the proposed flu of residential 620 units per gross acre the proposed change in flu is to allow for the development of 120 single-family dwelling units and with that planning and development

recommends approval by roll call vote thank you okay I have no one signed up to speak to this item is there anyone in the audience to speak to p5 come forward p5 okay okay you got a motion in a second roll call vote district 2 Commissioner Moore district 3 Commissioner Starkey I district 4 Commissioner wells district 5 Commissioner Mariano district 1 chairman Oakley aye motion passed thank you p6 good afternoon Amy hilar was planning a development in p6 is PDD 1909 5-7 the adoption hearing for a large-scale comprehensive plan amendment in the name of Cpl 1819 rivers Landing I will read the ordinance into record an ordinance amending the Pasco County comprehensive plan providing for a large-scale comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use maps map 2-15 and sheet 18 changing for Marez three residential three dwelling units per gross acre to PD plan development on approximately 801 a KERS of real property located on the southwest and northwest intersection of Morris Bridge Road and State Road 56 south of Bromwell Drive in a text amendment creating sub area policy flew seven point one point four nine rivers landing or river landing and a map amendment to the future land use map ix adding sub area map to - 949 river landing providing for a repeal er severability and an effective date item p6 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on January 18 2019 the site is located on the northwest and southwest intersection of Morris Bridge Road in the South Market area this is the inset where Bromwell drive in Morris Ridge Road is intersected by State Route 56 the large scale company it's a planned amendment is from res 3 to PD to allow for commercial and mixed uses the inset flew for res 3 is the existing and the proposed flu of PDE and and the planned development is consistent with the comprehensive plan as it includes a mix of uses commercial office and residential development and with that we recommend the board adopt the proposed amendment by roll call vote we did receive on March 26 the board approved it to de o authorize transmittal de o and on April 25th the Department of Economic Opportunity received the transmittal package and provided with no comment okay this is a public hearing and I have no one signed up for this item is there anyone in the audience that would like to speak against this item Hey mr. chairman if I could just say one things Clark hobby again the applicants representative I just wanted to remind the board and thank the board this morning you approved the utility service agreement for this site and with today you will be approving if you approve the rezoning that's next on consent we will have done the plan amendment in the rezoning and the utility service agreement that you approved this morning will bring utilities and a deal that the private developers working with the county that will serve the entirety of the state route 56 extension so it was a big deal

this morning I just wanted to take a second to thank the board and thank your staff for the hard work that went into that because that's going to ultimately open up that area for the development we need to pay back the state for the third and fourth lanes of the State Road 50 extension so thank you it has a trail along it has the trail oh it has trail hander thank you I've seen it measured the board second okay so roll call vote District two Commissioner more District three Commissioner Starkey I District four commissioner Wells District five commissioner mariano district one chairman oakley i motion passed seven proof p7 was published in the Tampa Bay Times March 15 2019 chairman at this point do you want to have procedures read and there are two rezoning agendas regular and consent staff will present each application to the Board of County Commissioners if staff where Planning Commission has recommended approval and there's no opposition the application will be considered by the board without further presentation if staff or Planning Commission has recommended denial or if there is opposition to the application the applicant will be given five minutes for presentation the opposition will be given three minutes for each individual or five minutes for a group representative and the applicant will be given three minutes for rebuttal any individual disagreeing with staff or Planning Commission recommendation or anyone wishing to object to any condition of the rezoning may at this time request the petition be pulled from the consent agenda in which case that application will be heard under the regular agenda later on during the meeting otherwise all rezoning applications on the consent agenda will be approved by a single motion and vote if you wish to speak to any petition please give your name and address and whether or not you've been sworn for the record these are quasi-judicial public hearings law in Florida is that mere public support or opposition of an application is insufficient for this board to take action please limit your comments to those criteria found in the within the boards land development code okay if anyone wishes to speak on the items that are remaining on the agenda please rise and raise your right hand to be sworn in do you solemnly swear or affirm that the statements and testimony you're about to give is the truth so help you God thank you Thank You mr. chairman all right item p7 is the zoning amendment in the name of river landing and beauty master plan unit development by the Zephyr egg company it's a substantial modification to rezone from AC agricultural and MPD master plan unit development to MPD master plan redevelopment through a la 1999 single-family detached attached multi-family dwelling units 200,000 square feet of commercial retail and 150,000 square feet of office on approximately 801 acres this is located on the west side of Marsh Bridge Road north and south of State Road 56 extension north the future old Woods

Avenue extension approximately one mile north of Hillsboro County line and it comes to you with a recommendation of approval with conditions anyone here in the artist to speak against this item seeing no one leave it on consent item pa was published in the Tampa Bay Times on January 25th 2019 March 15 2019 and along with affidavit of certified mailings and site postings Thank You mr. chairman and for the record Nick Torrio's PTO's with the Planning and Development item p8 as a zoning amendment Long Lake Ranch and PUD master plan your new development by trp Office Florida LLC and Traci Roy Nichol is the third and Lu newest Geraci lllp it's a substantial modification rezoning from MGP master plan redevelopment AC agricultural to the currently approved conditions of approval and master plan specifically to parcel a slash B to allow a light industrial specific use in a variation from the land development code section 901 3 e3 B access management analysis traffic impact study and the rezoning of approximately thirty eight point six four two acres to add - parcel see with no increase in entitlements this comes with a recommendation of approval okay is anyone here to speak to this against this item seeing no one leave it on consent benign proof Tampa Bay Times April to a preliminary amendment Janette T and Eugene C stone jr. it's a change in zoning from an AR cultural residential district to our one rule density residential district it's in Southwest Pasco County on the south side of Drexel road approximately 1500 feet west of tower containing approximately 0.93 acres with the recommendation of approval cancer anyone to speak against this item seeing no one leave it on consent April 26 2019 item p10 is zoning amendment Lauren's P Martinez change in zoning from ACA agricultural district to an M F 1 multifamily medium density district in south-central Pasco County on the west side of Finley Road approximately 59 feet south of was a chapel Boulevard containing approximately five point nine acres this two comes with the recommendation of approval okay anyone here to speak against p10 seeing no one leave it on consent 11 improved published in the Tampa Bay Times February 8 2019 item 11 is a zoning amendment Erin cut off and PUD master plan new development by E cough project LLC it's a rezoning request from an AR agricultural residential zoning district to an MPD master plan unit development to allow 120 single-family detached homes on approximately thirty nine point nine three acres the property is located in Central Pasco County on the southwest corner of Erin cut off in Caliente Boulevard intersection approximately six thousand fifty feet northeast of us highway 41 Lino Lakes Boulevard this comes to you with a recommendation of approval with conditions okay is anyone here to speak against p11 seeing no one leave it on

consent p12 Brut published in the Tampa Bay Times April 26 2019 at MP 12 is a conditional use request Newport Z by Newport the LLC premier cigar lounge for the sale of alcoholic beverages - cop beer and wine only on-premises consumption in conjunction with the operation of a cigar lounge in a c1 neighborhood commercial district south in southwest Pasco County on the north side of Mitchell Boulevard approximately 1400 feet west of well-built Boulevard this comes with a recommendation of approval with conditions there's anyone here to speak against P 12 seeing no one leave it all comes in the 13 proof published in the Tampa Bay Times April 26 2019 @a p 13 is a conditional use request Amistad Insurance LLC / railroad subs and bakery it's for the sale of alcoholic beverages - cop beer and wine only on-premises consumption and conjuncture the operation of a restaurant without side seating in service of alcoholic beverages on a patio and a c1 neighborhood commercial district in West Central Pasco County on the west side of Congress Street approximately 150 feet south of Pine Hill Road this is with a recommendation of approval with conditions is anyone here to speak against P 13 see no one leave it open Sam P 14 and proof published in the Tampa Bay Times April 26 2009 teen P 14 is a conditional use request ABB LLC slash AT&T Mobility new Cingular Wireless pcs for a 150 for 154 foot above-ground monopole wireless communication facility in a c2 general commercial district east central Pasco County on the east side of US Highway 301 approximately 120 feet north of McDonald Street containing a proposed 2500 square-foot defense compound area within a 1.93 acre parcel this is with the recommendation of approval with conditions no one here to speak to P 14 seeing no one will even don't kind of stand b15 or wouldn't ya b15 proof published in the Tampa Bay Times April 26 2009 teen item P 15 is a large-scale comprehensive plan amendment CPL 1906 Smith 54 it's the transmittal of a proposed large-scale plan amendment to the future land use maps 2-15 and sheet 20 changing from res 12 residential 12 dwelling units per gross acre to calm commercial office Oh F F and con conservation lands to PD plan development on approximately one hundred sixty four point eight acres of real property located on the south side of State Road 54 approximately 2,000 feet east of Meadow Brook Drive includes a text amendment to suburb area policy flew seven one nine Smith fifty-four sub area and a map amendment to the future land use map to - nine nine smith fifty four sub area this is what the recommendation of approval there's anyone here to speak against P 15 seeing no one leave it on consent P 16 and prove published in the attempt you're here to speaking on P 16 15 you have to UM yep your name and address come to the mic and I wanted to know if they've done a traffic study they've approved all the apartments in that area and there's

already too much traffic in that area there on that I see both townhomes and more apartments the apartments in that area haven't even opened for residential use yet there's apartments across the street from it I think there's three sets there's also another set on right next to the Carabas none of those have opened for residential use yet they're supposed to open I think the end of May and the traffic hasn't even started from those and there's also no snow additional schooling for the area so I mean you're opening more and more apartments with no more schools and no more way for the traffic to get through [Music] they see this is transmittal of a large-scale comprehensive plan amendment you the board can either take a presentation from staff where they can ask staff to get with a citizen and explain what's actually happening this will this is not final action by the Board of County Commissioners since it's going to have to come back for adoption okay it's the board's discretion about how they want I think how they want to answer hey Jerry can answer okay I have staff with me okay to provide an answer essentially a transportation needs assessment was conducted on the property this was this was previously reviewed and the the PD is essentially taking the entitlements at all on the property and combining them into one flew so transportation needs assessment has been done we've analyzed it we can share that information with the acquiring resident yeah and and provide any answers that she would like [Music] but mister - you're here to speak for this issue or yes sir Joel - - and associates I represented applicants simply a factual summary to possibly leave the question this was a previously zoned and approved project it actually has vested zoning entitlements for fifteen hundred and thirty-four multifamily units this plan amendment and the zoning that will come with it with it actually reduces from the 1534 approved all the way down to only 400 so this is actually going to be a substantial down planning and down zoning of something that's vested and approved so to get to the concern about the number of apartments this will decrease them by over a thousand and as to the school comment there is an existing school site the school board already bought the school site that was part of this in PUD that was now removed from it so they already own the site and my client is obligated to extend utilities and provide access to that school site so to the extent there's a question about those two issues I just wanted the facts to to be clear to the board and again this is just the transmittal yes of course we had to do the traffic study has been reviewed and approved and there are mitigation requirements that you'll see when we come back in July with the MPD you'll see those traffic mitigation requirements that have been approved there's also a high school site that's

already purchased across the street and a new k-8 down the street that's about to start construction ground but technically this is actually a down planning substantial down planning of what was approved previously invested okay if Perry if you would with your group speak to that that party so she understands that so and she should understand from what he said the gentleman behind you there would like to speak to this out of it sir please state your name and address for the record see the would loop 175 10 in lutz florida it's just the smith 54 that's now going to be voluntary the extension Elantra vs. we would seem to notice that Milan tre is extending across to the south side so is it still the oldest myth 54 I'm sorry so don't you get to the mic sorry I Joel - again for the applicant Smith 54 is a totally separate project it's a project in and of itself that's including this plan amendment and the zoning South East section of 54 Meadowbrook because I came for the developers sent out a notice for the hearing Elantra is that the property that you're 54 because we had a hearing with a Miss about what eight years ago and apparently it fell through and now it's been Smith sold it to another developer or is it still Smith cuz I have questions about that this week that we had a lot of discussion about the flooding impact in Sierra pines and Meadowbrook you were here then I remember you all you weren't here Kathy you weren't here Mike I think only jack was the was the only Commissioner that time you remember we had photographs the flooding and Meadowbrook and Sarah Pines that yeah is that the is that the time when it was 1,500 years announced coming back as a 400 some unit project yeah that's the confusion what what project is it still the same it's still the same property but it's been reduced numbers yeah was it was 1500 Simon mr2 said that it had been reduced to 400 and if your issue is flooding in Sierra Pines we have the sierra pines coalition I meet with them all the time and we are working on solutions before they've done a bunch of them there's more to come to help your neighborhood that's built very low with no retention ponds to deal with the flooding and they they will have to capture water runoff on their own property they cannot cause a harmful effect downstream so this will most likely help your flooding they'll have to put some large ponds in place I've also been working with the city of st. Pete that owns that well-filled south of you right and so they've been fixing some things to people here that are concerned about that because that large bay had right at the southern tip of this development from the preliminaries that we've seen the maps that have been posted by county it looks like and hopefully someone here can explain the drainage from all this is bound to wind up in that large Bank which will directly duck right in to see airplanes meant they have to are you they'll take care of that let it go tariff you get his name and address non contact them give them the information

they need yes we could talk to them this is the comprehensive plan amendment it's broadly site planning okay that takes so I hadn't got a site plan yet they'll be in contact with you your time's up sir but you can I'm your commissioner and you can get we can meet if you go inside and leave your name I'll be happy to talk with you we've talked with you a lot at the meetings that we have out in Serie palm wait man Kay Barnes all that what I just I can't see how we're gonna allow this to be developed and sir sir time it you're trying the lap times where the red flashing light means your time's up sir thank you for your comments staff can okay that'd be good all right we're on yeah we move 15 to consent I don't know if I did publication publication on P 16 published in the Tampa Bay Times on May 9th 2019 P 16 is a resolution by the Board of County Commissioners of Pasco County Florida dissolving the green side village street light service area as of December 31 2019 and providing for an effective day and applicability this comes with the recommendation of approval okay anyone here to speak against P 16 seeing no one leave it on consent okay P 17 published in the Tampa Bay Times May 9th 2019 P 17 is a resolution by the Board of County Commissioners of Pasco County Florida designating that area commonly referred to as Jensen Park village as a street lighting service area for street lighting improvements and to levy assessments against the property benefited by street lighting improvements in accordance with the Pasco County Code of Ordinances chapter 94 article two sections 94 - 46 through 94 - 56 is anyone here to speak against P 17 seeing no one we move that to consent and the pleasure of the board let me check something did we already yes ma'am dude the one on Starkie no that's been green we're not there yet okay I can't put second I got a motion a second approve consent agenda all those in favor say aye aye all opposed like sign motion pass on consent agenda is to move now to P 19 because be 18 before he taken care of just wait a minute till they clear out all right so publication for P 19 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on March 29th 2019 Erich Hoeber Islands Planning and Development item P 19 PDT 1904 seven-four-zero 2 is a zoning amendment in the name of Starkey ranch investment company LLC the request is for a change in zoning from AC agricultural districts you see one neighborhood commercial district and contains approximately two point eight five seven acres lysergic properties located on a northeast corner of the intersection of Starkey Boulevard and rangeland Boulevard and with that this item comes with recommendation of approval from the Planning Commission and Planning and Development thank you is there anybody here to speak against this item or for this item public hearing I see none so I discussion I cannot vote on this okay you're declaring a conflict on this item please

note when Starkey is not going to be voting on this item okay all those in favor say aye aye all opposed like saying all right motion passed item P 20 proof published in the Tampa Bay Times March 15 2009 teen good afternoon Viviana Martinez Planning and Development Department item P 20 PDD 1909 96 is a large-scale comprehensive plan amendment in the name of C pal 1813 Grand Oaks the project proposes to change the future land use from res 1 residential one dwelling unit per acre to PD planned development on approximately 175 acres with an associated sub area policy is located in east-central Pasco County and is on the southwest corner of State Road 52 and Prospect Road some of those surrounding land zoning districts include NP UD master Planned Unit development district c2 general commercial AC agricultural and a our agricultural residential some of the surrounding land uses include res 1 and our our retail office residential to the north agricultural rural to the east and village mixed-use to the south and west this slide gives you a better idea of the surrounding area as you can see the town of st. Leo is abutting the northwest portion of the subject properties and is surrounded by the villages of Pasadena Hills special area plan the concentric circle depicts the village center village a at the intersection intersection of Prospect Road in the Clinton Avenue extension it's important to note that the proposed plan does not is not in within the villages of Pasadena Hills special area plan it's only surrounded by it again the project proposes to go from rez 1 to P D and on undeveloped and vacant land this just shows the existing feature land use of res 1 in the proposed future land use of PD as previously mentioned the proposed PD flu has an Associated sub-area policy the seborrhea policies require any future development to go within the master-planned unit development rezoning process it also discusses the minimization of visual intrusion by utilizing existing Lansing vegetation as landscaping it also encourages a development transition away from Clinton Avenue extension and Prospect Road intersection towards the the town and provides bike and pedestrian connectivity to existing and planned trails and to summarize some of the entitlements being proposed is three hundred and forty thousand square feet of retail commercial sixty thousand square feet of office and 900 dwelling units again the proposed project is not within the villages of Pasadena Hills special area plan but village a to the east establishes a village center at the intersection that is planned for a higher density at the center and diminishes as it gets closer to the town of Saint Leo for the West with the maximum 912 units that would result in a density of 5.06 dwelling units per acre which is appropriate given the surrounding village densities that can allow between four to ten dwelling units per acre there's also an Associated MPD that addresses the site more

specifically this light reiterates what I have previously mentioned on the other slide with the dark blue depicting the village a center this slide shows the vo pH special area planned village center map in relation to the subject properties the transportation needs assessment showed that the study area would operate at an acceptable level of service with the proposed development and with that we recommend that the board authorized transmittal of the proposed comprehensive plan amendment CPL 1813 Grand Oaks the Department of Economic Opportunity and other reviewing agencies thank you okay is there anyone here to speak are you going to speak for picture speak for so I gotta stand up I'm sitting back there for a while I will height 63 27 Grand Boulevard New Port Richey Florida three four six five two four the applicant we're just going to defer any of our time to see if there's any questions we'll need to answer okay there's anyone here to speak against the side of Joel to to an associates wearing the very peculiar hat questions I represent Evans properties incorporated and the Evans family the largest stakeholder in the villages of Pasadena Hills they have an entitled property and village C adjacent to this I also represent w SMB LLC which is owned by the Maggert sand wilton Simpson it is the property adjacent in village a which I also entitled for them as the MPD that staff alluded to none of the vo pH people I represent and none of the others I've spoken to have an issue with anyone getting entitlements that this board sees fit to entitle that's not what they do no problem with that the problem which is obvious from the graphic the staff put up this property was originally to be included in vopa the owners were part of the P o G started that process where the private property owners spent two and a half million dollars to develop that area plan but this property owner elected early on in that process to withdraw from that rather than have to pay surcharges for the impacts on schools roads and parks my clients and the other Bo pH members are of course subjected to the substantial surcharges to pay for impacts to schools roads and parks it's my clients belief and I think the vo pH policy and planning committee sent you a letter that effect it's the consensus at this point within V OPH owners that this is going to be a very uneven playing field when in fact this project will obviously be impacting the very roadways the super Park and the schools that the VH people are paying a surcharge for those impacts so the request that I was asked to make their strong preference is to ask you to defer the transmittal of the plan amendment until we can all sit down together and work on a solution I've discussed with Ms Wilhite and mr. Armstrong whether they are willing and their clients willing to do that they've indicated yes I would like that big knowledge for the record before we leave today that they will sit down and speak with the Bo pH

owners and just in terms of turn about fair play not very long ago I was standing here representing the connect to city applicants Ms Wilhite was representing ground communities others were representing vo pH I was told firmly not to proceed with my public hearings until we sat down smoke the peace pipe and agreed on mitigation which we did connect to city had to make improvements to prospect and Curly Road and take those items out of the voh budget so in our view turnabout's Fair Play the connected city developers were required to work out a system that level the playing field we all want development we're happy this project is coming forward but there has to be a level playing field on the impacts in the mitigation since we all are impacting the same network in the same public infrastructure if you see fit despite the request that the vo pH board has made and despite the request my clients asked me to make which would be to defer this for a month or so until we can meet if you see fit to transmit it then I urge everyone to remember six weeks from now that before the horse was out out of the barn that we did come forward because the next thing we'll hear in six weeks as well why did you guys transmit it if you had a problem with it and they'll beat me over the head with that so I know I know how that's done so that's what I have to say we just need to sit down as ladies and gentlemen and work things out exactly the way we did on the can city I am convinced that can and will be done and it will happen and you won't have to referee it thank you is there anyone else to speak against the side any other comments yes ma'am come to the podium to state your name and address [Music] my address is 3 944 to County Road 54 a lot fifty prospect community Road Fort King Road William Cemetery Road in this is proximity no one that was I refer back to the board I tried to work with the both here in separate Hills in Pasco County and they've not enforced bond over anything in development or any type of raw area this one time was sovereign land it belonging to the cinema nation as well as the you talk and watch the nation and the Cherokee Nation there were a war enactment on Prospect community there on that road this is where the first enactment Thomas Jefferson took her and moved us from our soil on Prospect muni and leafy road an art for road on route 54 and I believe that would be right in behind the Williams and Cemetery or proximity within this map because you changed the mapping and the and they're surveying on me since 1958 so I will go refer back Prospect community belonging to my great-great-grandfather Lewis Gaskins he was born there in Prospect community on the lake and that's right Jason Lee to this land on Prospect Road and Fort King Road I deny anybody build anything on sovereign soil that is burial grounds that's where the first world Civil War the American cinema war was that with Andrew Jackson or move us off our

settlement and heaviness go for Tampa too into that Everglades that is the owning and the original owner before we surveyed in the United States here in the state of Florida before it becomes prospect community it was called Lake Buddy Pasadena Lake if you look at Prospect community you'll see that there's Pasadena Road that is on Prospect community it was a community at time and it will owned by the Native American that is of Gaskins my family I object to anybody put any anything on that land that a sovereign soil it blowing into the tribes it's not for sale never was for sale is never going to be for so it's to be used for historical preservation and that's what it is today there's Gray's back in there there they've been looted the our defects have been taken out of there I've done been in there and prospect community is that of my great-great-grandfather and we he never saw it and I'll yield myself back to you okay thank you thanks for coming anyone else here to speak with any comments / okay thank you regarding the last speaker we - or in the requirement to do a cultural resource assessment survey pretend your first one - your code we have done that it's been reviewed by your staff we have to go through that process there'll be a condition of approval if anything has found when we develop that we have to stop and follow state law relative to mr. - I will put on the record had absolutely happy to work with them just wanted to say I know we were kind of characterized as not letting them know or not going to their committee we're outside of the boundary so we aren't required to go to the committee staff never taken a project outside of their boundary to them the reason why I connected city came to them was because Connecticut City was within their boundary and when that property came out of their boundary it had a direct impact on their financial plan because it was assumed that the piece of that development Ashley groves was going to generate fees and they're going to go to vo pH so that was the connection between the OPH in connected city there's been other projects along the boundary Chapel crossings new river out now called Avalon West that have come through and and had new projects approved without having any issue they're on the boundary the same kind of issues could have been brought up all that being said I just didn't want to be characterize that we didn't do anything appropriate there's been quite a few this has been on your agenda to be continued we had a Planning Commission with full recommendation of support we'd like for you to go ahead and transmit we have about six weeks until we come back with the comp plan and the MPO d for final action we will work hard with them to come up with solutions and work together so with that we ask that you support staffs recommendation what question was our key was this originally part of vo pH and then they decided they chose not to participate it

was it was never included in the boundary it was there a financial okay meaning the letter so it was included originally and then they had you know into there was a scriveners error when when the board decided to adopt the OPH the board said take this property out and so the property was supposed to come out when I was transmitted to the state the property was within the boundary still so there was a scriveners error subsequent amendment that was processed with some other changes that pasadena was making to take that property out of the boundary was it included in the vo ph planning analysis including the original video ph financial plan i will find all that out when when we meet with these folks the I do know that the entitlements that were in vo page for this property they took them and used them elsewhere so they assumed those entitlements that would have been on this property elsewhere in in their plan on its own so I'm okay for transmittal but I do think they need to work this out because we have to be fair to everybody and it's not you know I don't know all the history and the particulars but we've asked a lot of the Oh pH and and you know we just need to be fair and we expected the same with connected city and the surrounding developers and I I'm sure you guys can come to some kind of meaningful agreement we'll need the county now and the net we will need the county to participate as well because I I don't have a financial plan initially when we first looked at this this was gonna be part of it they did decide to get out exactly when I'm not sure but initially the the initial look at this was included to it and they made their own decision why to pull out but I think mr. stark is on the money we should be sitting down at the table together glad you quilling table to do that and I think staff should be there as well and try to work it out so we do have a balanced bounce plan and I'm ready they're six weeks before that comes back we don't know for sure when it comes back yes yeah just want to make sure that staff is willing to work with both parties and we get it we need some kind of commitment I guess right now from staff that's willing to work through this with the meantime we and we I know we say six weeks beat out do could give me 30 days it could be what 90 days we just don't really know for sure when they come back well we're happy to work with the applicant okay on matters with Grand Oaks we've been working with them all right and I just want to make sure that we because that's what I said then we need staff to work together and I'm sure mr. two would appreciate that too so yeah make sure you guys are willing to work with both sides to come to a happy median here yeah I'd be good okay no proof ii got a motion to second to approve all those in favor say aye oh those like sign that motion passed go back to old business I hope well well I hope you all saw the email that from Ralph that you know we were number three in the grants Ralph can you discuss the the state appropriations for libraries

this was great news the email I sent out regarding that okay Ralph Lear intergovernmental affairs officer it was an issue that I brought euros attention during session hour your library team Public Library team with their due diligence was trying to get the legislature to refund the library grants award it's a fund that has not been funded by the legislature for the past couple of years we have been on that list as a number three slot all these grants are given are awarded $500,000 so the Senate went in and initially funded it at four million dollars we were trying to get an additional five hundred thousand were unsuccessful in that but they this the legislature funded a million dollars so the top two projects would be awarded those grants the state contacted our public library system and said that the number one slot pulled out and pulled their application so number two and number three miami-dade number two Pasco County number three will be receiving the grants as long as the governor does sign the appropriations and doesn't veto that particular item and as of today's date the governor has not received the budget but I felt confident that that items gonna remain in there and the grant that the public library is applied for on that particular grant will impact the Starkey library that's good so mr. chairman real quick he's not here I wanted to ask Cathy something since she's what's a question okay so since there's more money going to that library where it's offset our cost that could possibly help with the future library because we have a site in Wesley Chapel that does not have a library because we shoot apples in the library the fastest-growing area of the county so it doesn't have a library and there's a site there that we can so that was supposed to be a go forward at one time before I got here but it got pushed back and I just I grow into the question we actually we actually still owe the school board a lot of money for that library so even if we get the five hundred thousand that'll just make us allow us to pay the school board back quicker so but we still have to pay back the school board before we can build any other libraries that's my point all right [Music] you [Music]