04.30.2019 Pasco BOCC Workshop

[Music] good morning everybody welcome to the April 30 2019 Pasco County workshop I will be here in place of chairman Oakley which unfortunately is under the weather today so we wish him all our best for a speedy recovery and with that we can please rise with the invocation in the pledge to satisfy the needs of every living creature make us thankful for your loving Providence in grant that we remembering the account that we must one day give may be faithful stewards of your good gifts okay madam clerk please call the roll excellent thank you and with that I think we'll pass it on to the County Administrator we are here for the strategic learners framework and some budget discussions today so there's a bias Thank You commissioner we will start with a budget discussion and just to kind of set the ground of a high-level discussion of where we are in the budget process you'll notice we go through there are some key data points that we don't have yet which is why we can't really get too far down into the weeds but we won't walk you through kind of what we're seeing and where we are and then also kind of walk you through at the very end kind of the schedule from here through the end of September and final budget adoption so with that I'm going to turn it over to our budget director Bob thank you good morning Bob Borg budget director this morning is dancing I'd like to give you a high-level overview of where we are in the budget process for fiscal year 2020 kind of give you an update on the revenues that we've provided to you back in February and to talk about some of the new initiatives that have been requested moving forward and then to give you an idea give you an opportunity to provide some input into what you'd like to see in the fiscal 20 budget and so as Dan said there are some missing data points one of the most important of which is that we do not have the constitutional budgets yet those budgets are due May 1st tomorrow for the clerk the sheriff and the Supervisor of Elections the property appraiser's budget is due in June first and then of course the tax collectors due August 1st and that one's not quite as crucial to our budget because they are primarily a fee based operation and if you look as we see here we've shown this slide before taxable values are increasing as the population increases and as the assessed values of the of the community increase of course the good part about the increasing population is that the revenues are increasing the other side of that is demand for services is increasing at the same time not shown on this chart but the taxable assessed values for fiscal 20 are at the same rate they were back in 2008 so just before the recession struck we feel we're in a better position now than we were in 2008 because in 2008 a lot of those home values were really hyper inflated they were based more on speculation they know unsound reason and since then we've climbed back up to about the same level we are now and those assessed values are now more

six hundred thousand so like but if you divide that out per capita there's a huge difference in age Don change of property values right you know the commercial long 19 you I think we may have seen some more poor regime since the inception of CRA than a new port richey so it's not a per capita number it's based on the change in property not you know but I'm just looking at it I understand yeah in a different way so that would leave about 3.6 million dollars for new initiatives for the board as well as new initiatives for the other constitutional if we look at the nine happening I'm gonna stop this book here since we understood we've had this before keep going back to the CRA CRA situation ie port richey for example encompassing the entire city and within that CRA when we know that entire city is not wide it I mean I think we need to continue this discussion to look at this deeper on that criteria that constitutes how they can consider an area blighted that has multimillion-dollar homes in that same area how can that section of that city you know along those points especially along the along the river you know and going out because that cannot be legal I don't see how it is yes I just don't understand how that can be legal I think the state legislature shares your concern because in 2006 they change the law that would say you can no longer make the entire city a CRA but those like port richey that were already formed prior to this law can't have the whole city but if you're forming a new CRA it can't be the whole but going okay but it's there's Sbisa there should be a way or a mechanism to reevaluate that situation in my mind or refer because I would love to appeal that decision for that prior decision of may have stating that that entire city's blinded a it's not mm-hmm I mean how could a neighborhood with one and a half to three million-dollar homes beacons are blighted many problem is that if it was literally created and the legislature is not has not chosen to develop them or create a standard in which they have to be l2 mm-hmm there the CRA was legally created and so the CRA can continue to collect money I can never say to collect money but just encompassing that whole area but that was the that was the legal boundaries of the CRA when it was created and I can appreciate that because I know you see where I'm coming from I see oh I mean I mean the facts are I get to some philosophical I mean yeah I mean there was some legislation in this I mean to me I mean I'm putting you know really apples oranges but you know if it's to me it's no different than you know if I made twenty million dollars and I get hit I'm only paid five percent in federal right I met a higher tax bracket that's the fact you know - I know they talked about doing some legislation in the last few years I I can't recall how kind of thing went through but nothing went through so we have no oversight still no recourse to see how they're spending that 600 don't believe anything got through and I don't

think you think um through this year okay do we know how that six others getting spent cuz maybe we like the way it's getting spent it's not an issue thank you yes they gave us that last year they gave us stuff yeah they or each year is it still salaries it is not for poor Richie bad for Richie for trineas just wears discovers agents for Richie well can can anyone point to what improvements have been made using the people with the salaries that would be in their report so yes every year they has to produce an annual report outlining their accomplishments and so we can go back and get yeah I'd like to see the last few years of their accomplishment reports that has to do with them not us exactly doing things for them okay you bet cuz maybe you know maybe we're maybe they've done great things with them you might be missing something you bet okay so we look at this nine a half percent increase in the fire mstu that yields an additional four point three million dollars for the fire department to use for various initiatives as we showed here so we talked about earlier half cent sales tax increase are we gonna hear from the fire department on their ask and this is enough for their funding and so forth as far as like when do we go through those numbers the fire well with everybody but I'm just mainly talking about this so so once I look in the schedules at the back once I look to the priority list over the next few weeks probably early June is when we will be good sitting down with you and walk it through that individually and then there's a budget workshop scheduled bid lee Jun akane 2015 yeah like so that's what we'll really dive into the details and I like we're doing this early I believe as commissioner start like making it's like okay so the February 26 workshop Commissioner Wells asked us the about the increase in a number of employees as you can see we've produced this chart showing the increase from 2008 just at the beginning of the recession until 2019 roughly a 10% increase in the number of employees during that time also during that time the population of the county increased by about 20 percent so we're we're doing okay in that area so we look at those two hundred and sixty or so additional FTEs where did they come from we can see in this chart here those additional FTEs were primarily added in those areas that have a funding source outside of the general revenues so those items that are outlined in red here are the general revenues so of course as we see the population increase the fire department has increased building department as we saw the number of building permits increasing year over year of course it makes sense that the building department would be increasing and so you can see when will this number plateau with the sella with the technology I don't think we're gonna you know we talk about permits are gonna be able to be online now though there we have a section for building construction later there's a balance there right yes sir

years ago we did a quite a bit of outsourcing of the permitting inspections are we still doing are we doing that or we still keeping everything else gonna contract in place to surge inspections where we can get a third party inspector to do out there also you know the builders have the opportunity to go hire third party inspectors as well so there's a couple different rounds but again there's there's actually slides in here for building construction and for development services that we can we can get to here in just a second smacking capital Vespas so a little mouse that just told me that port richey $670,000 in the CRA in fiscal year 1940 one point one four million okay so they're not it also includes Pasadena Hills and Kikuchi those are also areas of cra-z so as we talk about the budget for fiscal 20 we don't want to forget about our investments in capital improvements and so here are some of the capital improvements we're considering a course facility master plan we fund that at about 1.1 million dollars per year hardware and software throughout the county that last year sorry this year fiscal year 19 is about 1.6 million we invested in our parks so these are kind of the things we want to invest in moving forward Sunwest kind of that maintenance building and some of the amenities there Starkey branch district park the priority there is kind of the finishing the baseball diamond the four fields and the baseball grounds Wesley Chapel Sports Complex which hopefully will be finished soon we want to set aside money for FF&E we've also been approached by Tampa Bay Lightning to enter partnership with them to construct and operate two roller hockey rinks so that's an exciting opportunity and then we want to update the facility master plan so we've gotten lots of requests in past couple years for a new space and that kind of thing so we want to look at the facility master plan so that we can take a reason to look at the entire needs throughout the county let me back up a little bit I don't know if there's might be some confusion there sure you saying I'm Wesley Chapel sports so we have the ryegrass ranked Sports Complex which is on that facility that we have the rec center that which is in West Chapel to park so which what are your firm this is the FF&E for the Wiregrass Sports Complex what okay let's make sure that we have wild grass that says watch each other we talked with years ago we're talking about heaven we could actually probably do like high school graduations isn't so is that's still in the component there that complexion I don't think those it's not gonna hold don't think if I figure this stuff for that I think the seating over the other thing is we're not operating it so if we go in there to put an event like that in there we're we're taking it out of operation for the things that Ron transports its contracted to do and so that's a revenue loss to them that we would have to well it'll be a revenue loss to us to revenue

loss to us to we'd have to make up I'll tell y'all about that lightning thing at the next board meeting gonna change this year in our budget process we've asked departments directors to give us all of the initiatives that they believe they need to operate their business in the past years they've kind of self selected and they haven't brought things forward that they needed because they thought of look I mean I'm never getting money for this why should I even bring it up so we've asked them even if you think you're not getting the money for it bring it up and we'll discuss it and so as a result we've gotten over a hundred business plane initiatives that deal with the address the general fund and municipal services fund you'll notice the fire rescue line there of fourteen point four million that is all the fire rescue that's not just the general fund portion of that so a piece of that would be from the fire Emmis to you impact fees and so on four to five million of that 14 million would be need to be funded from the general fund if that's the way we would want to go so we'll begin talking about these initiatives with the board in June we're meeting also with the ACA's and Dan at the end of May to go through all these initiatives and to kind of rank them from 1 through 100 and then once we find out from the property appraiser exactly how much money we're going to have we go down the list and draw the line at wherever we have that much money that's where we draw the line and you'll notice a salary increase for fire as well as the rest of the Ford employees that is in the works now so we can't say at this point what that recommendation is if you would just take into consideration - I think there was some direction from this board of making sure we start putting a little bit of aside to the personal that yeah this all takes that into account that everybody assume just for the when that day comes unfortunately if it yes if it does but we call the government but if that day comes again cushion or the intent of this is we don't want one self-select ppi is but then they we're gonna prioritize them and draw a line where we think is appropriate but you're still gonna see all every one of these and so if there's one there that you have a special interest in you know that then becomes something we can discuss as we go forward but what we didn't want to do is self select and then you ask a question about a service and like well we didn't even think about finding it because X Y & Z you'll see the whole list so that's part of the intent here is to build everything we'll draw a line what we thinks appropriate based on our priorities based on the feedback we get like today and then as you look at them then you can help adjust those - but we did not want a self selector or eliminate things before having a fully full discussion about it absolutely so thank you and so a lot of our customers think that the taxes they pay goes to fund board operations we wanted to point out that we do as a good corporate

citizen fund a number of outside charitable organizations and you can see the list here there is an error in that list the premier health grant match we do not currently fund that operation but the others on the list we currently but we had they just we have in the past a little less yes dozen 18 we did but not 19 yes ma'am and that's matched three times by the feds or something yeah it's okay to do so real quick these are things that work outside of that or in the nineteen budget so under United Way with in 300,000 I know some of the their initiatives are lady per se spend other things for the homeless to in addition was given to the Homeless Coalition for the homeless in some of our meetings we have we've had discussions that maybe we should look at and I think now you have a new leader for United Way so those discussions may be different now but how much of that money do they typically give to homeless initiatives and maybe allowing them to divert that off the bat to the coalition from homeless instead of having to take it from us to burn it straight to the home to these initiatives where the Homeless Coalition can take care of those from the start you follow me yes sir okay again you can have those discussions with brain right away but those are ones those are discussions we did have as a Advisory Council and I think every most people agree that would be a good idea if if if the United Way is putting a number out there say 20 percent to homeless initiatives why not get another 20% to the Coalition on homeless so they can never have that money themselves instead of having a pass through one more agency sure chairman and I know Kathy and I both sat on United Way and and you know it's it's it's tough going through the application should normally first got elected we used to personally give teach nonprofit we had to decide which one and now you know the way does a great job with the application process which isn't easy but holds them accountable for the numbers prior year which is good by Gabby ministry of public services I did have the opportunity to sit on the selection committee this year and there were a lot of homeless requests they did give the allocation proportionate back to the coalition don't know the figure out remember we had that yeah so is it is it better just to change that number and give the coalition a portion of that first is having go through United Way well we what we did have with that essentially two of those meetings I do want to mention that the United Way for the last three years they've had requested overs between seven and eight hundred so we give them 250 the fifty thousand is designated for our Human Services for our purposes for our Human Services Department so there's a lot of requests which is talking um well to questions now but doesn't United Way also solicit from the private sector and it's not meant to be funded a hundred percent from the taxpayer and then I jump on that I think maybe we're up I think with Commissioner Commissioner B's point though is if okay so if there's

seven eight hundred thousand dollars request quote from this pot of money why is it so no eight hundred thousand dollars from this pot of money why isn't it why can't it be so many hundred thousand dollars from all the nerve all yes exactly the tire pops I think that gets into a picture yes how are our snaps out of art community don't always have to go after this when they if they have their two or three or four or five million dollars why are they looking at that those dollars to for these initiatives why they have to look at just those three we do have another slide for the outside agencies requests that we've received to date for twenty I think wait don't don't leave this subject yet cuz that's the same subject at the same time it's what we have funded first of what okay wait a bit right I would like to also um and I and I paid more attention to this last year and I got a little more educated because am skills was asked to apply for grant down in st. Petersburg and they don't have you know Sheriff David police chief and the monies they this is how they do deal with it down there and everyone's place is different but the monies they get from forfeitures they they have a board I don't know who it is and they give that money out to charities every quarter and AM schools receipts grant and our Sheriff also if you see coming through our budget gets the forfeiture money and they give that money out I don't know if they do it annually or maybe chase can answer that question but they they are giving money out to charities in the community as well so I actually think that list of who they find is kind of you know it's the same at the end of the day the same pot of money and I think we should have a little fun charities are constitutional throughout the year for crime prevention initiatives charitable causes that I don't have so that also was going out into the community and how do you do you know what the crike how do y'all who decides there and how do you deal with that so I believe it's based usually on crime preaching initiatives no but it makes the do you have a council that decides or usually from from what I understand the sheriff and not that I don't think that's a good thing that's a great thing I just think we should see who's getting what just as we get requests we can you know just keep an eye on who's getting what and last year if you recall Paul O'Neill asked us to fund some nonprofits as well and I don't know if that's reflected here either and at the end of the day that still are our revenue that's going out so I think I think it should be here in some form or fashion whether it's so I'll get that listing in I'll get it to you yes sir you know when we first started with the United Way we kind of had them go through would save the staff a lot of time and effort and they made those recommendations I think it was good that's a good way to continue question about the bay care how was that funded where's a lot of money coming from those are grant dollars through the

Community Development so those are federal grant dollars and that's primarily for alcohol drug abuse prevention and treatment you know I don't I do versus it goes to what is that program of Darrin King Healey Drive used to be called the harbor I think they call it they baked care behavioral health that's where it goes it goes it goes there and other places like that around the county where the sheriff has to Baker Act someone or do something like that they go to those and and bake care is the state is our County contracted provider for those kind of services and that's where that money is coming okay so like the Suncoast Recovery Center that's coming up they may be eligible for that type of funding as well at some point Thank You mr. wells I guess one thing that's been frustrating to me and you know going back when we had the meeting with to talk about mental illness and addiction with all this all the providers which I think was very good meeting you know since then I sat down with bake here and kind of broke down hey we gave you this money every year where's it going kind of like we just asked you know I think it's not a bad idea if we're gonna give these funds to maybe get a quarterly update I don't think it's too much to ask for from each of these providers on what's I don't want to say return on investment but just a where it's going I think it's a positive for the for the taxpayers to know I think it's positive for us to know again that was one of my things on my kay we give you one 1.2 million I'm not picking on Bank here but it's the same with premier health it's like hey we we know you're doing good things in the community but what are you doing because we need to sell it because it's a lot of money and and you know we need them to work together Bay care from here you know and the folks you're coming Hudson with dr. Rees I mean we want we need to do more for those things we know that so just I think it makes sense I don't how the board feels but and maybe it's every six months but I think every quarter could should be doable it wouldn't be that big of a deal just so we have a snapshot of what they're doing I think it's a because they're doing good things I mean we just don't know is we don't really hear the next slide is the additional request we've received today from outside agencies so we're quite them backing up again I know we're trying to get moving through but I was just I'm going to jump on this legal aid is that coming from core cost or any court fees or we matching that as echo another general reference I'm gonna generalize I'm coming out of general revenue is that state mandated yes we're mandated to support the sixth Judicial Circuit and so that's part of our obligation okay so I I think going forward to where this comes back to this if there's anything that's under state mandate unfunded mandate right maybe a strike that so we're we're yeah so we're you know that hey there's nothing we can do about it it has to go there and we're

not going to try to dip into that that's correct the public defender as well look he's asking for less so these are the outside funding requests the ASAP is afraid that they're gonna lose a federal grant so they've asked us for $60,000 Coalition for the homeless okay so that would be something that should come through United Way please okay so that would be a that would be it I mean that's the pot of money I mean some of these other initiatives or things that we give them money to United Way hmm now they need to go ask United Way okay okay isn't that why we're saying isn't that why it set up it is but Coalition for the homeless goes to United Way to I believe for funding well that's that's kind of again I I don't disagree but again I just want to point that out that you know it that's why we did the United Way thing I think it was nice because they came to us every year they come right everyone coming and so again that's something I'm being general here I mean doesn't matter you know so the Pasco kids medical exams we currently fund them at $125 per exam they're asking to increase that to $200 per exam which is the state average so that would cost an additional 44,000 the premier health care grant match we talked about already three hundred fifty thousand dollars in the matches split they provide indigent health care for people in Hernando and Pasco this would be the Pasco share they divided the grant match up according to population so our our piece is 350 Hernando is 150 and then as we talked about United Way they're asking for an increase from 300 to 450 thousand dollars per year and where's the justification what's their justification from going from 300 to 450 did they give you up yes they've given us they've given us a letter saying that the demand for their services is increasing so they again going back to Commissioner start again not try to pick up I'm not trying to pick on email just ask these are important questions we have to be able to answer to our constituents a little bit if this is a again and now for profit that seeks money nationally frost you know to fund the organization how much money are they bringing in themselves and how much depend are they our local government they think we raise much more money from public another there's a lot more public's in Pasco County so that increase I would think there'd be a lot more coming from Publix you know I think it your breakdown there was no I think we used to have a United Way program in the county still do o employed deduction kind of the last couple years now the chucks in charge it's gonna change but I mean when I first got like this big push I know I always gave every month hundreds hundreds of employees gave everyone so we do need to get back and make that a big push because I forgot the number but it was there was tens of thousands and hours we raised which is nice for employees to do that and get right back in the community okay great programs great things I think

does but we still need to know where the money and how much are they distributing themselves we're leaking that information to fund raisers and things I mean again you know that's typically not for profit he's not coming depending on the government that's what they need to be themselves and then we assist but keep in mind they keep in mind in Commissioner but when we first got elected we gave out the three four thousand dollars ourselves and we said hey you know we want you to do so it's not like they're we we've gave them the money to do it for us I know I understand I'm not the screen so again when you ask for more where's it going to go and what is happening on the other side you know with your other funding so why do you need hundred from here when you're raising money over here yes we had struggles years ago as far as like funded not funded how're we gonna find that what a mantra do you fund it and when the economy dropped down I had pushed it this is the time to put more money into it because they're gonna need four more services to see this jump from three hundred to four hundred fifty thousand in a good economy are they doing enough on the private side to bring that money and is the demand really rising or is it just other programs that I we in fund that elsewhere because they don't think they need it right right of course is the DWS we'll get you some answers on that make sure you have that the one thing so because when when the staff comes in you know in us for their request their showings what is that what exactly it's going to so we need know if you want a hundred fifty more where exactly is it going wait staff comes in they want to they mean a new swing set that doesn't your new swings that's really doesn't happen we do have that so yeah that's a good question we should have had it here today I know this is kind of like just a preview but yes well these are questions that you asked us and we'll get you answers between now in the workshop in June the one we haven't talked much about is really kind of what your thoughts are on the premiere help grant in the match two years ago laughter we didn't do it oh I think we didn't do it because I don't think it would fly he applied to me but if we wanted to come make a presentation well to why we should fund him yeah okay as we mentioned required to fund a number of programs in the Judicial six Judicial Court some of the major programs here you've noticed the top three the change in their budgets primarily due to changes in request for technology public defender replaced a bunch of their computers last year so they don't need to replace them this year and so that's the reason for the decline the medical examiner for the past few years the medical examiners been going over budget just because of the there's more people in the county there for more autopsies done with it and the medical examiner is indicating that the opioid crisis is really adding to his workload so in order to realign

those expenses with what we actually think is going to happen we recommending an increase of about $250,000 as we talked about previously the building permit trending upward we got to keep track of that number because when we have our day in court hopefully these are all the arguments that we have to make about how what that opioid crisis is doing to our budget very good I actually think we should send a leather leather to the legislature put there right at the cost of deciding whether they're going to put the Attorney General is programmed through it's passed the House unanimously but it's stalled in the Senate whether she can move forward with her lawsuit and I think we should have that lawsuit go so we can't do it we can't vote on a letter today they have to wait we'd have to wait until I'll be too late yeah yeah but it does affect the state anyway but I'm glad our still gets to continue but I think we're gonna need that same information it doesn't keep you from you individually doing one yourself and expressing your thing we just can't vote on if we want to do it in an actual presentation yeah they've been sort of Ohio West Virginia some legislation going that the Attorney General is trying to get through so good for us to get a good fill where he's at [Music] very good legal direction building instructions see the number of new single-family residential permits increasing from 1200 to 3500 over a five year period there I think the kind of the slowdown 17-18 was a result of the increase in interest rates and then you can see when interest rates went back down you see the red line here at the very top the single-family residential permits is just going through the roof and March was the largest month ever almost 500 single-family residential permits in March so that's just largest one sense a crash large it's right excellent um this legislation that's the legislation is going through on impact fees do we collect at the beginning or do we collect at the end and will that have an issue on our budget no the answer is all impact these are collected at CEO except for water and sewer connection fees but that legislation specifically exempts water and sewer connection so what effect it does not affect us okay great so as a result of the increasing workload that Building Fund is asking for a number of new positions as well as this open counter software open counter software allows you to go online and check the status of your permits and things like that they're asking for six seven eight additional employees and they're also considering opening up a fourth service center in the Wesley Chapel area so we talked about Public Works so we have the probe the roadway maintenance program as you know the paving contractor recently got approved so Branford's out there he's ready to go to town and so he's suggesting paving about 21 almost 22 Lane miles of road in 2020 at a cost of about 10 million dollars Shiva's program would also pave almost

17 miles a cost of nearly five million dollars so in addition to that we've added a number of employees to the Public Works workforce we've got nowhere to put them so we're suggesting a permanent Westside maintenance facility on Nottingham on county-owned property which is near the waste-to-energy plant and then another one on the east side near San Antonio on McKendree Road you've got a facility over on Fox Hollow that was the old maintenance facility for yeah the car dealership that's sitting right there I don't know what we plan to do with that facility but it's actually a better facility we've got a structure that's already in place if we weren't going to do anything with that facility I'll just say we should probably look to the people that had join us in u.s. 19 look at combining that person on doing something with it to surplus and get it up for some value if you looked at that facility as far as a possible spot as far as foxholley goes the utility actually is looking to expand its maintance operations into any box hollow we also have to sign shop relocating there as well so the first utility goes to move to the Fox Hollow place correct yes sir all right let me answer this with nothing and not work it makes more sense to have it closer to the embassy warehouse and as far as the payment would make sense to have it over there as well her hating opinion Haven is right now their operations are centered up from the city Hills area landfill industrialized I area Nottingham is just down the road they own a facility on already so he gives them you get a little space essentially grown on my site maintenance as well as more permanent public Public Works Administration from space as well which they don't currently have they're currently spread out a little road happy to hear that as well as sand and just mentioned you know we have some very expensive leases right now and trouble Creek in those areas we want to get out of those just renewed it last month well we only renewed it while we built these facilities we did not extend it any further than that and gave us to these facilities an off ramp to get out of that lease but we needed to extend that why we do these facility improvements I could Eric let me just ask a question with the Fox Hollow building I know there's a lot next to we keep like or last time I was there we kept like the liability vehicles they've been involved in accidents do we still keep them there and that lock to the west we don't we don't soar any vehicles right now okay there was a the reason I asked how we did when fleet was up there since fleet was gone thank I just I just want to make sure I know we talked about blight we're talking I would never really the fence you could see the car sitting there didn't really look good it's been six months or more at that location I just want to make sure that in front we are going to continue to that maybe we fence it to where again we're citing people for things like that and work done you might want to have

mica to go take a look at that at the corner of Fox on your 19 on the England Northwestern Park does that thing is the fence has been torn down and Walden take a look at our old fire department on Massachusetts while you're at it no no we sold it and it's being illegally used as a now we're working on that commissioner as we speak utilities returned to the water wastewater utility we see since 2012 the number of connections into the utility system have increased 23% yet the number of employees increased just 11 and a half percent so the industry standard for water connections says through the American Waste Water Works Association American Water Works Association they recommend one connection per every four hundred or one employee for every four hundred eighty six connections we currently have one employee for every one thousand 38 connections which means that we have we're not putting in you know we don't have the resources to service those connections like we would like to so these initiatives here with the 26 FTEs you see here it gets us closer to one to nine hundred and some gets us closer to that one to four hundred and eighty but not quite there so these are kind of the initiatives that the water utility is in asking for in fiscal year 2008 an enterprise fund right keep all this well but I mean it's telling me there's still something still a rate that customers pay and keep up with yeah with the connections we need to keep up with the growth for me on the enterprise side too so well and so in capital utilities is looking to invest in its capital renewal and replacement projects these aren't our projects our existing capital that needs to be maintained on an ongoing basis of 32 projects about 31 million dollars we have a number of new or growth projects funded through impact fees six of those projects at about 19 million dollars and so the largest of those growth projects is the southeast wastewater treatment plant and then the Shady hills plan turning to the solid waste they're looking for additional staffing at the East Pasco transfer station recycling program implementation and some of these others as you can see here so when we add all this up the disposal we're looking at five initiatives three FTEs at a cost of about just over a half a million dollars and finally next steps you know we're expecting the preliminary taxable assessed values from the property appraiser on June 1st will be meeting with County Administrator and akka department heads in May to review their budgets and get an idea of the business plan initiatives detailed budget workshop is June 25th at which time we'll come back and talk about all the initiatives that we're recommending for inclusion into the budget final taxable assessed values on the 1st of July and then we set the trim at the July 9th workshop or board meeting that's all I have for you today we have great answer any questions there's no closes all we just saw one great thank you thank you

all right now we'll move over to transition out of this into the cheesy Gordon's framework from a planing discussion land development code discussion well we got three seats morning so at this point I'll turn it over to our global services and plane group carrying on Xandar and kind of walk you through the discussions that we want to have on how can i framework going forward you discuss its kind of the tier priority list and then linkages before the difficulty see items are with your party list and also wrapped in the LDC code rewrite or the zoning chapter rewrite so Victoria knows pizza was planning elements of the record like me today is evidential important Senior Planner heading off the tiger team that's been assisting the research with the land development code we write effort and as Dan mentioned today we're going to present to the board the strategic ordinance framework that has been developed over the last few months to help us move forward in the future amendments that we need to make both to the Comprehensive Plan and Thank You Ernie thanks again for a meeting with us these past few weeks individually so we could answer some of your questions beforehand but we're here to talk about how we can connect the tier list items that are currently under our resolution and in a better way so that we can have them linked up to not only the strategic plan and the comprehensive plan but also the rewrite for the LDT we want to go over with you again the the background the purpose and intent of this framework and the current situation and how the tier list presents itself we've come up with a four three four approach which links up to the four focus areas and it gives you three steps and action plans and addressing those four focus areas and then the four themes from the comprehensive plan that are weaved throughout those and at the end of this meeting what we're seeking for is your support of the framework the process and the team structure that will go along with it so the background again is when the tier list came up for every prioritization for our group to make recommendations of what that might be we took a step back and looked at the tier list to make sure that those items were understood and as it related to each other and also as it related to the strategic plan additionally we wanted to understand what the sequence of events are steps that were needed to be taken to address any one of those items and finally we wanted to talk we wanted to make certain that any one of those items that were very complexed we're not just identified as a single line item that you could just check off they involve a more comprehensive approach again the four focus areas from the strategic plan is the is to stimulate the economic growth create a thriving community and enhance quality of life and we would argue that this framework would then result in the improvement of our organizational performance and making sure that staffs time

is assigned appropriately and effectively in in the writing of these ordinances so this is an example just a snippet you got in your packet the whole list of the cheer list but this just highlights a few of those that straddle the various the three tiers so you have bike pet connectivity as a cheer one and then in tier two you have compact walkable communities multi-generational housing and then finally in Tier three you have the zoning district reconfiguration which is what the LDC rewrite is I'm gonna walk you through just a nick to highlight to further highlight the the way these items need to be connected to ensure to each other in order to really effectively address anyone I am so you have here as an example of bike pet connectivity and when you think about bike pet connectivity you want to think about it as a component of a walkable community so you want to make sure we're addressing the reason to walk creating those land-use patterns that allow you to get from point A to point B the safe walk which includes transportation and the infrastructure itself for sidewalks and multi-use paths and then we want to look at during that walk that it's comfortable and interesting so design standards and the architectural character of the buildings come into play at that point here is a typical example it's not only in Pasco but across the country of development as it happens they're large blocks oftentimes they're pushed way back from the frontage road and so you have usually the surface Lots that go in the front and okay so what are we trying to achieve with you know like pet connectivity is it just be able to provide X amount of miles of sidewalks and trails or is it really something more meaningful so then the next step a better way of doing things we have right here in Pasco County is Wiregrass mall and what they've identified the first picture where was that oh I'm sorry it's golf for you mom that's golf you mall yes and that's the the commissioner's sidewalk condition on us might want this and then you have Wiregrass mall is a better example of how to create better pedestrian spaces although it's still internal but they do break up the blocks internally and have parking aggregated towards the back of the buildings and then the interconnects are a little bit more extensive I guess you would say and then the best example locally that we'd like to highlight in sundial Oviatt it is in st. Petersburg which is an established downtown it does make the point that it is it fits into a heavy grid the grid Street Network were it provides a variety of experiences in terms of uses you have retail office residential Civic open space and then the distance just for comparison the distance that you would take or the the amount of time you would take to walk from salt salt springs road to Tacoma Road which is really the the book ends for Golf View Mall it's about 10 minutes that's the same distance that it would take you to walk from sundial to the

Renaissance Hotel I'd do it all the time yes it's a wonderful experience and very dependable upon you so what we're trying to highlight again is and here are some more images of all the components that come together the different land uses the way we shield parking from the pedestrian zones all come together to create these vibrant thriving communities that we aspire to have in Pasco this is just an illustration that kind of shows a city when it's built of just zones versus a city that's built out of communities and the difference that it makes so you have the approach again the board's referral for approach which the four focus areas of the strategic plan the action plan has developed across the scales of the regional County scale community and a block Street scale and then the for comprehensive themes that are intertwined across these we approach this in trying to understand how the strategic plan fits into it all is trying to understand that the stimulating economic growth and enhancing quality of life are really regional and County wide initiatives and policies they don't just happen on a lot scale the creation of thriving communities on the other hand happen at two scales you have the community scale and then you have the very small scale of the street and block the regional scale we have for our county that would mean there are five market areas and what we've done here and it's not in your packet as we just updated this is the comparison of these five market areas with other cities across the county just so you get a visual of how the development patterns have happened elsewhere and also to put into perspective the size of our counties so when we have a code that addresses the county as as a one-size-fits-all approach we lose the character that we so yeah we have across the county that we really want to support and foster do we are we in is is my presentation the same indoors because I don't have that yes you would not have an I apologize you do not have these slides because it was after our last meeting yesterday okay that we realized we might this might help tell the story a little bit okay so what are you looking at there so here you have the comparison between the West Market area and roughly in terms of size is the size of sensitive land square miles and the population of Cincinnati is about two hundred and ninety six thousand and what's the population of the market on the 19 in the harbors as little Road West it's not just the 19 I just thought there were more how many people do you say the county board allows two hundred thousand yeah okay and we can get you those numbers that's true Martin one third of the county which we don't have yeah it's right there here you have Central and South Market or roughly you know similar in square miles and that's comfortable to Seattle Washington and their population is seven hundred and thirty thousand we're not trying to suggest that we would build out too dense density it's just a scale

first scaled reference and we understand of course that our market areas very rates it's greatly from urban to rural so by no means we want to the reason we wanted to kind of put these together is just to demonstrate that when we talked about our currently in development code work we're effectively regulating cities of size of Seattle plus Cincinnati plus you know Philadelphia from a rural community to an urban community or a coastal community which are all different and so we kind of made need maybe one think about them a little differently yeah well it works in one kind of it doesn't work in the other you also have InFocus so you have a very very large downtown area right obviously we're right we don't very large just to demonstrate this regional impact of the work we do when we talk about the land development code and the work they all do there's a board regulating that so you know it's it's a pretty massive which when we talk impact and we talk about there's been six hundred million dollars worth of private private investment the harbor's area the last three years but you consider that that's the size of the city of Cincinnati it's kind of hard sometimes to see that impact will still vary around right Maddie so and all of this of course it's underlined that as each of these cities of multivariate so also our Howard market areas multivariate these cities have their own individual codes and overlays and what have you we had one across the entire Tony the North Market is roughly the size of Austin and the East market is roughly the size of Tampa yeah walk around at the community scale we if we think about these places we're building not just as subdivisions for really community Starkey ranch as an example is made of at least four neighborhoods they're the one circled in blue those four neighborhoods even just within Starkey ranch would have different standards because you have oops you have the location is around the multifamily and Publix there downtown these setbacks when you look at the building and block scale would differ appropriately because just the nature of the buildings and activities when you go to around the main park there those standards slightly change from bad of the single-family and more clustered development towards the back so even in Starkey you have a different differentiation of standards they want a national award for this planning and so part of this is just understanding there's different approaches for different areas as we've talked you know from the natural and rural to the more urban you have the fundamental blocks which are roads buildings and open spaces it's just that the character of those three elements change as you progress from a rural to more urban setting you made a good point what was your reference to different areas the different approaches to different areas so I look at Lakes Boulevard 41 because it's a very unique area because of those unfortunate

setbacks they have when they obviously put 41 there's not as much space and there's limited access when somebody wants to build or expand to certain utilities there obviously the water so it makes it difficult very expensive for somebody to come in and and build along there I know we're doing some you know we've done a good job and it's getting there with our bike or in it so which is helping to slowly shape up the area and then it's looking good I'll keep my fingers crossed I've been in constant contact some of our legislators up there when it comes to the the what we're doing on my team for the landscaping thank you the landscaping there but I think we also moving forward we also have to take a considerate consideration you know again those setbacks and utilities and things if we want to revitalize the area and have things and having new bright shiny things for that area which they want those are things we have to take into consideration so it might be different a different approach to there than it is in you know certain parts of West Chapel or even along night teams right we may have to be lenient in some areas that are in our code right to allow certain things to happen we may have to think about how can we help them when it comes to attention are you water there there's not easy access it's not inexpensive for them to connect reclaim to the area so why would we make a commercial you know a new commercial or industrial development whatever have connect to reclaim when it's gonna cost them a fortune and nothing will ever have their because it happened there because people don't want to paid for that well we can kind of what we're gonna need is what we keep going for something yeah so I would give Dodd and his team I'll use them as an example there's a there's a business along 41 that they've been working very closely with that we have had lately exploring which we appreciate it's a nice addition to the area and so they've been working very closely with them over the past year to get them where they need to be and so that's an example of the team working hard to get there but it make his job a lot easier if there are certain things obviously we're looking at this strategic plan into code and we have when we write this code so he doesn't have to think of unique ways to get things done whereas it could be done off the bat people can come in and know how to get where they need to be and without having to spend more money more money they're twice as much that they would somewhere else it even goes deeper than that and and you're gonna get to that next presentation right right because this is very much gonna help 9 us 19 as well and to meet the expectations right so you know coming into whatever area you are expectation there's a range of flexible that's our goal and moving forward and redoing the encoding updating the conference and fineness to make things easier to understand so that people when they approach the colony to do work to do a job to do a project that it's it's

easy to understand and they can reasonably anticipate what is expected of them based on what's in there we go and I think especially the coast I mean you go anywhere up around Florida when you get closer to the coast is usually the bigger land values bigger developments going on etc and we had completely the opposite part of its from the zoning candidates categories we use that wouldn't be in place as far as like toxic cetera et cetera and we need to change all that in a big way I think the advertising a19 the sign sign ordinance landscaping Otis it just crushes retailers who are struggling up and down I'm telling you they tell me up and down the struggling across the board so we need to change the demographics along the coast is the biggest opportunity and if we can change all that stuff you can see some changes but it doesn't need to be segregated and I think 41 maybe 301 needs to be looked at in the same type of way where what's the best way for those guys to go because when you can't redevelop because you got to take half your parking is going to be cutting cut in its gonna be eliminated if you have it you can't you can't do it and now you get a property so most useless um what happens guy stays it the building black petites to a certain point and then maybe something happens so we need to you know look at this I'm so glad you guys we're gonna wear it out we do have a lot of properties that are over parked right now anyway that the only time they're full is by Friday in so that's not really where our parking standard should be our parking standard should be somewhere between that that we should build parking to the Black Friday we also have more commercial right than nineteen Billy supports and we need to relook at what some of that becomes perhaps multifamily more but there's there's there's there's a lot of empty stuff on 19 and there's I think 19 could really use a 92 new pops up every two weeks oh yeah that's the low-income housing yeah but but there's lots of great ideas I think that are in a comfortable space of a certain size and they had a parking lot that's X number and the new thing is when you go to a certain amount fifty percent whatever you gonna rebuild with the values with us that's so low all of a sudden no you can't go build that parking lot you gonna stick to what you got because you don't have enough room to put the landscaping in and meet the parking requires that you have a place I think the challenges are parking requirements away at the lot at the end of the day there should be different landscape requirements for a more urbanized setting than a building that you're building in a rural setting because you know land the amount of land available is very different and the footprint is different and for example in a Ana car dealership right now you have to have 75 foot setback between the c2 and the rest if their residential that cannot happen in the 19 corridor so well you know what is the intent of that is to protect the values of the

residential community where there's other ways you can do that right to have a 75 foot buffer so those are the kind of things that we're gonna be talking about right what is reasonable and and good in certain kind of planning zones no I want a moratorium on them just like new port richey til we get this right we've been interrupted in doing so the four three four porch that's the four focus areas we determined that the four forest area to the strategic finder best implemented at three different scales to be a community in the black food scale and then we asked the question how does this fit into the comprehensive plan so look at the conference planet has about all elements to it 200 or so policies and we ran an exercise in which we started to group what both policies were talking about into themes and we distilled all of the policies of the comprehensive plan not just those that were you know future land use for planning related but all of the policies that transportation engineering stormwater etc and we group them all together and we distilled it all down to these four comprehensive plans themes stewardship and open space which is really about how we steward our facilities and it's not just the county facilities of buildings and it's it's taking a look at the facilities that we build out in the community such as for example a storm water detention pond how do you turn a functional item like a pond into an amenity space that adds to the open space character and value of an area so stewardship and open space that's what that thing really is about transportation engineering and access that sort of speaks for itself that's basically all of our roads ideas and engineering Vanya's design and character and these are all the policies in the Comprehensive Plan that speaks at future land use that speak to how land use should be applied throughout the county how it should look the design of it so we have numerous policies in the Camerons finally speak to the design of what's going to be built and then how does that design and that land use contribute to the character of the overall area so these policies exist within the comprehensive plan and really there should be a the backbone so to speak to the strategic coordinates but on how we develop ordinances moving forward lastly the community culture theme were some of the some of the sort of an all-encompassing theme where it has a piece of each of the previous three things in it the reason for that is because Kaplan is a number of policies that are specific to certain types of communities such as coastal communities on the west and more rural communities on the north and east ends of the county and then there's variations of those in between such as in Land O'Lakes where you have many communities that are on lakes then also have their backyards sort of a rural atmosphere to them because of their large lots and what-have-you so you have mixtures of all these types

of cubes and then you have other types of communities like ones that are based on sports for example and so the community and culture a theme is one of those catch-all themes that we can then craft and tailor specific to the realities of the coastal community or the rural community so here we have the sample of the tier list items that we have shared with you individually but not put together in the summary quite like this so you'll see that in orange you have items that are already on the tier list and when we group them down across the scales and into families you see some of them are vertically I guess integrated if you will and then horizontally too so you'll see that they come up across multiple families so when we're thinking of any one item not only are we looking up and down in the family of scales regional and community but we're going to look across sometimes two and that's in this fashion so you'll see that they're repeated but they change the character or standards accordingly to the focus of the family so these we've go ahead I'm just just to explain the term family so what we've done here is we've indicated in orange the cheer priority list items that exist today and what we've done is ask the question what else is needed in order to accomplish these cheer priority list items we start filling in the gaps if you will and by way of an example here and so what the strategic ordnance family reports and then they get to is when there's an idea that's that's being discussed you know we comprehensively look at that idea so that we can approach it across all policies of the all relevant policies of the company's planet and of course all of all of the provisions of the language and calibrate accordingly and so that would become a family of amendments because that all of these things are pieced together so as part of the open space family we were looking the tier list item that triggered this was neighborhood parks well when we look up at the regional or county scale we want to make sure we have the right impact fees in place we also want to understand that this network takes you to where you want to go and that would hopefully be linking parks together you know around these trails or through these trails and that the trail really is leisure but it can also serve as a way to commute to work so we're at when we look at neighborhood Park also we're looking at the street connections and network around it we're looking to see if it's an urban or suburban rural environment and we and then at the block scale we're looking at the very detailed of the park so is it a passive park an active park what kind of landscape setbacks and things like that do we require in those situations so we'll run through these kind of quickly because you've seen most of these but these are just example again a crowded country this specifically is an East Beach Virginia it's a project that I had worked on in my previous life and so you can see the system of trails connecting to the parks

and that depending on where the park is located you may not even have roads it's just you know the porches coming up right to the open space that leads you to the water this is an example of addressing housing needs and housing supply if you take a look at multifamily housing or multi-generational housing workforce housing at a regional scale we'll what are the policies in place that we need to have to accomplish that and then we'll at the community scale we're looking at which zoning districts the combination of zoning districts location of them where appropriate again introducing the the idea that you know to make these communities really and not just subdivisions your how are you connecting them to each other and then what are the building type and product type this is an example from Omaha Nebraska from opticals it is a community solely made up of multiplex units from 2 to 8 but the way it's laid out is just a regular neighborhood that's connected through parks and trails and schools and retail and the building product and standards that we would see and look at come in the form of would would be house scale a large house scale so they're more integrated into the community and character and fit in well and then the the the detail differentiation of the architecture is what would make it more urban or rural because you can kind of envision potentially you know something like this being a large barn or farm house and it has eight units so it may not have several of them next to each other like in the more urban environment it might standalone a little more you know buffered name of this optic Asst optical is a company a design firm in California but what's the name of this project oh the name of the project I'm not sure but it's in Omaha Nebraska in Nebraska it is in your little resource packet that we provided you prior but so these are wrinkles they can be rental or fee-simple [Music] that a drop it of apartment complex on the ground real quick and this is more of a sense of community water like walkable I mean this is what we should be aiming for encouraging people to do versus slap it up to these monstrosities all along 54 when again against my opinion is a different scale in different environments right more land here environment in the urban environment so yeah again it's again so yep more that sets the community to and we talk about more affordable housing well again it's so much better than just a box apartment complex when you can go out there and then families and kids together and in your pack in your package where's more fuel to see from major thoroughfares to look at that in your packet there's a little more detail on these units in terms of cost of square footage and sizes of the units there it is right there I think I think mine got mixed up so where does it start no that's it that's the little additional piece that has more information you know do you are you familiar with leisure world in Southern

California no because it's my grandparents lived there years ago decades ago very similar to the one they just showed yeah again this was just another example of how that same philosophy would play out in a more rural environment this is Serenbe outside of Atlanta Georgia it's an agricultural neighborhood it's an aggregate is what they call it so they cluster the development and they still allow for the natural topography and landscape to remain and organic farming and it's a really yeah it's really cool which one you know Cala oh okay equestrian base okay yeah exactly and this has a big equestrian base I went to the Agra head break session at Uli oh did you yeah oh great there's some cool stuff being built around like so we you know why can't we do this in the east market in the north market areas where we would want to preserve the topography and viewsheds of those rural communities this is again the same product type but configured with the architecture a little differently you can cluster these developments very close together and leave for the farm and rural setting around it so you're taking up a little less land we have coastal community example with the docks and sea walls if you look up at the regional scale the comprehensive plan does have a policy for sherline ruses then we would look at the community scale and and consider is it on it now is it on lady and what's the character of those that would influence the standards for such item so before it was for the docks this is the in in the same vein for the seawall this is right in front of you laylee and the Tampa River they're doing the lie the live living the living seawall approach instead of the hard seawall because the hard sea walls they are finding that you know you have the erosion component where in the living doesn't that doesn't happen and you increase your your animal and biodiversity of course boat lands Tom would you put your boat list oh then you would have to yeah you have to but this is two years into their project is that picture they do have a doc but it's not where the living seawall is yeah yes it's difficult if it grows over then you got to deal with that issue yeah so we're you know where it would be applicable week you know something to think about but it's just where you you know you take the one line flying item again and you're kind of looking at the different scales and the different contact set it that's in the transit oriented development line item we'd be looking at the Transit Center overlays dictated or provided for in the Comprehensive Plan we're looking at the mobility fee structure around those and we think of the zoning districts again the parking standards that go along the parking standards we talked about briefly in terms of redevelopment well those standards are very important in terms of transit oriented development

as well you would have significant reductions in parking if you're trying to build that transit center development so you don't need all that parking because you're assuming people are getting there in alternative ways of transportation so this is an example of at the community scale I'm sorry that it might still not be very legible but the market areas you have in the fine orange line you have our six transit centers along 54 and the the dark purple are are are all RMP you DS in the county there's 210 of them most of them are happening in the South Market area and in the Central Market area in fact the South Market area 55 percent of the zoning districts in the South Market area are MPD's at the street scale you're trying to build communities like Winter Park this is their trans so Transit Center or transit oriented development doesn't have to be you know skyscrapers it can be something like Winter Park Florida and it just provides for all that you need and multitude of uses within a 10-minute walk so you have the park you have the Rollins College you have all the retail and office shops and residential all around the Transit Center and then finally we have the process and team that we're proposing to administer this framework so talk a little bit about all these families when the Board of County Commissioners sponsors or mandates an idea to a change in the comprehensive plan or the land development code this would be the strategic ordinance framework that we would request to move through so the idea would come from the Board of County Commissioners it would go to the strategic ordinance group and then a decision would be made so that if there's something that's being mandated by state statute or and that sort of fix it would move over into the ordinance development team or they would they would continue working on those ordinances in order to establish the comprehensive families that we just you know sort of talked about here the strategic ordinance group would establish those families and then send them on to a strategic ordinance team that would then go about discussing ID 18 I could creating ideas basically for [Music] how to accomplish the idea that the Board of County Commissioners has sponsored and then they would then have meetings with stakeholders come to board workshops when necessary and then move through the final commission and commissioners review an approval process as per usual so this this is essentially the strategic ordinance framework and we've given you some examples of how so um well are you gonna go over this getting to great places no I just provided that as a resource it is we're on some of those diagrams in the beginning of our presentation come from in terms of breaking down developments that are typical better invest and again it's San Jose so it is more urban but they did a really great job at laying out all the different pieces that come together to making great places and

walkable places which is you know something that we're striving to do so so I'm at the Uli meeting I did talk to some of our local you all line members and talked about the possibility of having a technical panel look at us 19 because I think it has a lot of challenges and you can see there's varying ideas here of how we should go about it and I think it would be very beneficial to have a technical panel look at redevelopment of that area so I don't know how we get something like that started but I I was very interested and I think what the lessons that we learn on 19 can replicate to 41 301 might be a little more role than 19 but I would mention that we do have the harbor's plan which was adopted in 2013 I would say that the digital coordinates framework would provide the mechanism of the vehicle for many of the items within the hardware's planned to find their way into the land development code so while the technical panel would be a useful exercise I just wanted to point out that we also do have what's in the hardware's plan and the recommendations of the hardware's plan does make for for us so if we were to let's say start to see some action but once I think has always been a frustration of minibus and certainly the landscape being down the middle I think is a huge uplift but if we were to start see one thing or even two things that could help improve the economy on the 19 quarter what would you say that is I think the u.s. 19 quarter you have to start looking at it in the context of a planning prism if you will you have to look at the transportation how does the transportation impact the land uses and then what are the spaces in between in other words what are the open spaces of the public spaces and how do those three elements come together along the u.s. 19 corridor because if they're looking for the impact you can't just make it change to the one piece such as the transportation piece we have to do like the landscaping point on the center u.s. 19 now which which makes a big impact how do you continue that impact to the land uses now that's the next question yeah and then how does that impact relate to the open spaces that's kind of what you have to be doing when you're looking at the corridor now the harbor's plan does talk about the various nodes that are along the us- quarter I believe there's ten of them and it does have recommendations for those various nodes as well so what you could conceivably what happened into the framework is that if there was a mandate from the board to look at us 19 let's say we would take that idea and say what do we what are all the pieces in that make up the transportation the land use in the public for the open space filling those gaps and then selectively if we wanted to apply them per node so that you can start seeing specific impacts along the way because as we mentioned earlier at the hardware is a very large area and Seattle so it sounded like you can make a big change in Cincinnati with one specific policy um you know Tom you know Tom Murphy I

think I tell you his name right Frank maybe y'all know the former mayor of Pittsburgh okay so you know and you know what how he transformed Pittsburgh it was amazing I heard him speak a number years ago when he came down was the keynote speaker for Tampa Bay partnership with their annual meeting and then he and I don't remember the other guy's name spoke at the Uli they were the big lunch speakers I don't know if you were at that meeting when Tom Murphy spoke I think you were on it out with the technical but I think what Tom Murphy did in Pittsburgh is amazing and a lot of it was public/private partnership and they just went and fought you know when no one else was willing to invest they said okay we're gonna go invest as a city and plant a stake and then bring in private partners to help us and I really like that idea and I think there's some places on 19 where maybe we're gonna have to be that first icebreaker and invest in something and bring private people in with us but maybe we just have to put some money out there to start the ball rolling and I think of Holliday square sitting there as a humongous eyesore with great opportunity be a driving mixed-use community right on the Pinellas County line if you look at the housing on the Piniella side it's you know 400 to 700 thousand dollar homes right back and up to that property but you know right now it's just they're doing nothing and you know Jackie you know your district better than me but there are there are places where I think we may have to go in and help and bring in David's department and really get the ball started and that's what they did in Pittsburgh and I think it's a good case study for us to look at what's really I think Commissioner Starkie attic great idea with their you a lot when they came here and came back again we got some great results and a lot of think great things we're doing now or directly from that I liked that you're gonna try to separate the companies out I think you're dead and the money there what concerns me a little bit as the speed of which way things will go it was a year ago we had a meeting about docks and sea walls and make some suggestions that committee met once we're like 25 people in the room and nothing has really come out of that meeting again to find out where we're at little things like you know limits of 500 square feet of concrete where you're gonna put in the back of your deck was actually a good thing because not pesticides don't go in the water presiding it Stephan drainage those limits are still like there so I don't want to see us get stuck and held up when when the urban land institute talked about a area I think they actually picked out the the ranch road FG way plant well they talked about making the stormwater facility also a park right in the middle of a neighborhood park to make something happen I haven't even seen staffs plans as far as what they will do for that area connecting sidewalks or whatever so it's all kind of moving piece to piece

so maybe it would be a good idea because I mean you and I we we both want to see 19 accrue we know that there's no knows about it and it may be maybe just happen to come in and just look at that 19 car it might be a good idea let's go study it when Darryl LeClair brought everybody down from the economic development council of many years ago you know Darrell said the number one thing you do is build just structures higher along 19 it's a great asset and everybody kind of looked and says what do you mean well the more height you get the better view you get for the Gulf the better the value is going to be and people will pay for those views those vistas but you're not building anything up there and you know I'll give the mission credit you know we took away that height restriction but still it's not quite happening so maybe maybe it is time to get them to come back in here or just take a look just at the 19 corridor and if we learn from there and I and I want to say as well I think we did phenomenal doing the landscaping that is really starting to look awesome and people are getting really fired up about it and I think between 41 301 as well I think it's a great opportunity to keep on going that way because it is it is gonna definitely help but we definitely need to make something happen I think this is a good step here but maybe just that is one thing to go take a look at what's what's really going out there let them do a ground study as well from all the businesses and whatever and let's really take a close look at the era what is the best thing to do because now's the time to do it and I think it's gonna have to be public/private couple projects to kick it off I think you got some direction to look into some things and you get out the team to look at crucial Wells you know I just gonna say and I know Commissioner Stark he talked about and I know like mr. Mitchell's redeveloped a Plaza on us and I just spent a couple investors but now there's more investors that want to but because of the regulations we have for like landscaping when you hit that 50 percent mark you have to you know in the parking and those are things that you know she talked about it and I do agree with their private public partnership we got to figure out a way to incentivize these folks to come in and redevelop we have to again I just I don't want to delay this Uli worked hard back to 2013 the harbor's redeveloping Penn we talked about it for ever I don't want to be sitting here five years from now well yeah I'm saying where we and so I just but again we've got to look at the things and that's where the stakeholders come and hey stakeholders what are you seeing the u.s. 19 what do we need to do together doesn't mean give everything but work together to find out a way to make it thriving you know like an urban sprawl or something like we discussed we have to do something more over there that's for sure so maybe maybe you're under a way to do it as well me I mean we've got the harbor's plan

maybe we need just to bring that back and do a series of workshops you know maybe three parts of the county of southern central and up along 19 let's get everybody together let's take a look let's invite the business people out there let's get the people that live there and find out where they're at what they think you should be doing - what's in that plan that may be a quicker where to do it as opposed to wait for the study though I will say yoruba ladies do I ride that bus very well and they include stakeholders in those meetings that might not be a bad I mean they did a great job with it I mean I think it's detailed you know we're talking about walkable communities in between Newport G and poor Ricci going under the bridge I mean we're trying to lead things ourselves and you can see that thank me for gee the city's done they're doing a lot of great things I would love to see that I was gonna say look what he's he's obviously involved and it's been a spearheading that which is great and again it's great to see over there anybody it's great to to be able to go spend time downtown and you know so many places to visit I'd like to see more of that I would say there's a project I'd like to partner with the city new port richey on and that is the re-imagination of Grand Boulevard and one of the sessions I went to e Li was a field trip and we looked at Road diets and gorillas what do they call gorillas yeah tactical urbanism and boy if there was ever an opportunity it's Grand Boulevard and I I know I think you Ally even talked to new port richey about Grand Boulevard in but not all of its in their community some of its and ours and if we work together on turning Grand Boulevard into a tree-lined boulevards with pedestrian activity either down the middle like they haven't wet winter garden down the middle of the trail goes right down the middle the road or on the side and and just you know we we can partner with them on Grand Boulevard so there's there's some opportunities mr. biles did you have anything else we're good we got directionally needed on this and earlier okay and it's one for thank you don't mine I think it's good to recognize staff I got a I got a nice email today from a mister our Farris these Elena Lakes it's a long email some of you might have seen this already but okay good so I will condense it real quick he just he says in early March I wrote Pasco County stormwater manager Jimmy Morales about an issue in our neighborhood and later lakes was happening was sitting watering for Clay Boulevard after each rainfall mr. Morales and his team Josefa moas david sua floyd wilson brain from Adam Redfern Wesley immediately jumped into action he said some more of at the end I think it was very important stormwater management at Pasco County has got to be one of the most difficult and complex jobs of its kind in the country if not the entire world as a taxpaying citizen twenty years he resides Harry I'm so proud and thankful for the excellent top-shelf civil service team work that's

being done here at Pasco can imagine there's anyone making our County or a County Commission looking better than sper clear and apart of it please let Morales and his team know how much we love their work so there you go biking everybody else very nice to hear that right that's a good job [Music] alright we're dirt thank you I want to talk to you about Sesame [Music] you