04.2.19 Pasco BOCC Workshop

I like this time called the good morning everybody and like to call the workshop of Pasco County Board of County Commissioners together for April 2nd 2019 would you please stand for the invocation and pledge your allegiance to satisfy the needs of every living creature make us thankful for your loving Providence and grant that we like to welcome everybody here today please each and every one to take their name the sitting at the table and please speak into the mic Denice Hernandez Elizabeth Blair dan miles Don Rosenthal Jack Mariana like more Jeff Stein snyder catherine's turkey okay so everyone sees here also at this time I'd like to thank phsc privilege and Goosby for allowing us to be here today we appreciate the hospitality and I'd like to thank you very much for letting us be here then I will move on to the topic for discussion the morning session is planning and development good morning commissioners good morning all in the room denise hernandez planning and development i'm showing us if you would please silence your cell phone please sorry so today we are we are here because the board of county commissioners directed the planning and development department to look at allowing at an allowance for LED signs and what we're gonna use a word LED and we're gonna use the word digital kind of interchangeably on commercial pieces of property so as you recall we worked on the the current Pasco County Code does not allow LED signs with the exception on what we worked on together which is for Community Development districts and for regional attractors so the Board of County Commissioners asked staff to take a look at allowing them on commercial properties so we wanted to seek the board's direction on some policy what the board envisioned for for this type of things thing in the land development code and we greatly appreciate having the one-on-one meetings with each Commissioner we got really really excellent feedback from all of you so to remind you what we did with regional attractors we had some locational requirements fronting on our two arterial roads as shown in the comprehensive plan map 7-3 or on i-75 we had some standards for sign structures we had some siting requirements particularly a hundred feet from residential districts and there's technical requirements and this is what we did for regional tractors we also did some in some work on digital billboards this is just to kind of give you a refresher we had some prohibited planning areas and there were certain protected areas that were they were prohibited so today we're seeking board direction on what you're envisioning for LED signs because the board just simply stated we want them in commercial districts however one of the questions is do you also would you also like to see them in in professional office districts such as po1 and po2 and then commercial districts we realize that that's c1 c2 c3 but did you also want to see them

in industrial districts such as i1 and i2 that's going to be the first policy question that we have for the board and we would like to have that open for a discussion at the moment mr. morality just pick one if any well so I know your constituents have reached out to you and basically there's several specific constituents that have reached out to you and and stated that they want to have them for their new business that they're building and in that just some of those particular instances those businesses happen to be in a master plan where the overlying area is professional office so that's why we want to copy this question if that's what you were envisioning and we would like to get some policy direction as to when we write this code should we write it stating that it's going to be professional office districts commercial districts and industrial districts and master plans who have the those underlying zonings on them or should it just be professional office and commercial and not industrial so that's the direction we're looking for so the one we've heard from the most I believe a new attorney's office being built I believe on the west side which happens to be within an MP u D that has office entitlements so so be a po1 or po2 and of course they won't an ice I am do they're putting a lot of money in the building and advertising their name so but is that a or it's an MP with a professional office underlying user one other one other besides professional offices could be surveyors office it could be an engineer's office it could be a medical office it could be a real estate office it could be anything that would be within a professional office professional office does not have retail however the po-2 part of it does have some service uses that are quasi retail so it'll have like a floor shop which you typically people don't come in and buy flowers per se but which they can but it does deliveries of flowers you can also have barber shops beauty salons post offices dry cleaners and po2 when we do CBDs we have limitations on the size yes the limitations on the CDD give me a second there were smaller signs in this case there would be the size of ground signs within the code we're making this change that's pretty drastic in the county is that is that we not just throw everything out but start small because once you've I think we have quite a few counties around us and City it opened up to everything and are now trying to bring that back I'm sure you've found that in your in your research and and and and change things so if we're going to go this route like you know you guys know how I feel like like the community you know looking nice and we had such a reputation for being so ugly but I suggest that we start small and then see how that goes and then add more so the only problem I see with that is you wanna make an ordinance and we'll cover it but you don't want to have to come back every enlarge somebody to answer your question Commissioner Moore it's 5 feet in height and 24

square feet inside structure area that's the CD DS but this would be underground signs so that's 11 feet in height and it could be up to 250 feet square feet in sign structure area depending on the size of the building on the property so there's like a tear give us some of the limiting factors and that's gonna be the fact that that would limit to the size of the structure one of the things we have lots of office parks you know office condo parks and those have a marquee and then people have signs on in front of their buildings to a certain extent depending on what's allowed within that office park some of those office parks fall within the CBD community or have an HOA in their own right what are we thinking on situations like that only allowing it on the marquee versus allowing on the front of the building too so what we're talking about today is on my on the monument sign and I think that there's gonna be a couple of questions moving forward that are gonna ask what you're you envision as to the numbers on the actual parcel shopping center in there but then out and the other side would you can say with the office that's the only officers for Miss Sharon yeah the game going back to that obviously of a marquee the upside is in front of the buildings - we're gonna get to that but yes in the separation part right yeah now I could see concerns amongst a lot of people especially within an office park if they're allowed to have digital on these small little office condos I think the problem something like that should be will probably one of the other which I was assuming we've learned on the marquee just for the fact that within those office complex you do have you know number of bearing businesses and and they do have a certain expectation or that office bar but I guess I guess the CDs or the HOA could overrule anything when it comes to they can set their own superlicious and what son is they allow another total out right if they have a moment they have in their game restructured their Joe where those various districts also ever again I give gokhan sighs yep this would be all all districts that are mentioned so office commercial industrial and then the MP u DS the MP u DS are in like a strange pistachio color her per se but that's basically to show you the entire imp UD but understandably what would happen is that the MP UD would have office commercial or industrial entitlements along the main the main road and this is a very busy map and I can go back to this is office districts the purple and then commercial districts is the maroon or very dark red so am i hearing a direction well so basically the same that the code says today foreground signs so you're allowed to have one ground sign for every 300 feet of frontage and we're gonna ask some questions and asking you what your thoughts are on that but currently the sign code basically says that you can have a monument sign a ground side for every 300 feet of frontage along a roadway and then corner Lots can also

have a monument sign along the other frontage on the corner so the second frontage so I think the question that you're asking we're probably going to talk about we need a policy direction for that as well but it would be on a monument sign it would not be on a wall sign it would not be on a directional sign it's on the monument sign itself and what typically happens which is similar to what the Fair did is that you're gonna see a hybrid of you'll see just regular within the actual monument sign itself it's gonna say the name of the plaza then the digital will have the name of the businesses that are within the plaza 1550 second time right now I guess Commissioner back kind of this slide is about how does the board want to limit by zoning district how we apply this some of the questions you are asking we have later in the presentation okay we're trying to walk through big and a walk down so that we can go back and write an ordinance and take it through the Planning Commission back to the board so that's that's kind of the intent your day is get enough information that that we can go draft a modification to the land of element code so and I think I've really only heard two or two commissioners on kind of answered this question up front up top mr. chairman yes if I could tough to see each other on hand but you know over the years since we looked at these signs and different things have happened I have had across the board from hospitals to retail law offices place called stockyard that actually advertises this way to think about lower e stay in the county or not because he can advertise properly on the us 19 across the board people want to do it and we want to talk about making things look good how many times do we see temporary signs out there whether it be a banner sign that's stuck in the ground some sniper sign stuck in the ground so I'm trying to advertise the sale trying to get promotion I I will tell you I feel very strong it especially on the US the u.s. 19 quarter part of the reason that retail struggles think people can advertise that you go up and down is it's it's a lot easier so I think we need to definitely loosen that restriction up every one of those categories talked with staff yesterday they showed me a good example of one one by one in every single category had a good example of someone who wanted one and would benefit by it so do we really want to fight what the people want to go do especially whether I you know look at the Wesley Chapel campus of phsc they've got a nice electronic sign that looks great and I will tell you the hospital on Bruce beat downs they wanted to go put one in they weren't able to put the same type of sign in they would have spent a lot of money on it would it really help them but they're restricted to that side I mean even even our a library system right now because we don't have LEDs you watch them go try to change up what's coming up in their own thing they got to go out there flip the

sign down it takes two people sticker two sticker two sticker they put them back on and whatever well as much as it hurts us as far as our labor cost never mind what it takes the retail industry to to advertise what products and good services they have and these signs will make it easy and it's not a cheap investment that gonna make them look good in reference to which whereas statement so if we allow them to have the digital signs are we going to start enforcing our snipe sign ordinance ie our banners because it can't be both it's gotta be one of the other you can't have given the opportunity to have the digital signs and we still have companies thrown banners and snipe signs up all over 19 or it doesn't matter where it is so if we allow them to have this then we're gonna have to go full force and enforcement on the other side and I would agree with that no no temporary signs if you've got the digital side those are we're giving the ability to have the digital signs that we just we do it all together just now you get the opportunity to share your messaging by a person to digital sign we're not gonna have both since I mean they would just wipe these signs invaders so those are really excellent points that we're gonna ask you direction on on the next line and I think those are excellent but we need direction on this one what kind of introduces I mean what I'm just not sure why we need would be including industrial so I think that one of the examples in our 15 minutes one of the examples that was provided is for instance the Overbeck overpass Business Park that it has light industrial which is like research institutions and things like that those type of uses so why would their message need to change every 2 minutes so dream well they're knowing there's gonna be multiple messaging not just an it's not just gonna be the you know it's gonna be the research park there's gonna be other things occurring on that same side so if this is on one monument sign so we would be limiting the size then since they wouldn't they wouldn't need a big sign because they can change their message every so often we would bring that we would make no sign smaller the sign would be limited to based on we're not I don't think today we're talking about changing other sections of the land development code we're just integrating led into the code as it currently is but didn't with it I'm out that right now we have a little what I think is a little error in our sign ordinance that the width is unrealistic right so so I think what you're saying and what we see is that there are allowances and our sign ordinance that people never get to reading so see we do that themselves they basically they you won't see a 300 square foot or whatever sign because it's too large or whatever so I think we should fix that while we're looking at the sign ordinance and and if you picture a school bus it's about the size of a school bus it's 11 feet high from the crown of the road right - is it 20 feet 20 could be like 22 or 22 feet long

is the width that the sign can be and I don't know why we came up with that whip but if you I mean no one has this time that long and should want to sign that long no no I need a groundswell it is like I know it's needs to be brought in to 1183 this kind of the first question we need to answer it is good zoning districts and then we get to some of the more details if it's okay in in an n if I may because we did speak to you individually and we did get somewhat of a direction the only question on those three that I have because I we weren't sure about the direction on that so far we got that office and commercial were okay but let me just get clear the industrial is where we were not certain as to whether you want to move on industrial at least answer that we would like Kathy sounds a bit like the container and things like that which is a code enforcement nightmare they don't need the banner forgotten oh no it's like it's a ton of days as 30-something days am four times a year it's 35 days four times a year 140 they have a special sale they have a grand opening and I think you'd actually see a decrease in the number of people applying close banner signs if they had the okay so as I move forward you know is industrial okay yes yes okay all right so thank you so very much how about the concept of roads limiting them to let's not ask this question because we already got directions she said we had not all together so forget about the federal-aid primary how about limiting them to arterial and collector roads let me show you a map so everything that you see in red everything that you see in blue and that's pretty much about it yeah and then of course i-75 as well or do you want to just limit them to Sony districts the commercial industrial regardless of whether they're on arterial or collector roads as long as it's commercial district industrial professional office non-residential okay okay all right thank you next question is do you envision any excluded areas of course does it it I don't II shouldn't have to say this but along the scenic roadway such as Sun Coast they would not be allowed but do you envision any other excluded areas will start to Boulevard has its own exclusion it's designated as a scenic road when we built it interesting didn't know that either know what yeah monument signs yeah but a monument no when we did when we donated the right away you can take a look and it's a new dedication of the right of way yeah okay here's where we're gonna start talking about removal of non-conformities and things like that so within this we need the the board's direction on we did get direction that they should be principal permitted uses the other question was they should be special exception uses that was a resounding that they should be principal permitted uses so should we place some performance standards on the fact that folks are and this is going to Commissioner Morris concern should we

ask for folks to remove as a condition of having the digital or LED sign should we ask them to stated we tell them that you can't have any of your banner signs or gorillas or inflatable balloons or any of those other type of things that we're seeing on these pieces of property because now the LED sign is allowing them to display multiple messaging that they were not able to do before I don't I don't personally have an issue excuse me when somebody has a permit to have a sale and they decide well America flaggers gorilla or Weber it may be because those this businesses are in a high commercial highly commercial designated area might be you'd have to separate somehow I guess in figure out separate between banner size or snipe signs versus for those special advertising mr. chairman yes sir it's an argument for having digital signs that they can display their their sales their specials more easily than having to go out there and put the other messaging up I don't see why they need all the other stuff it's just gonna make our roads look very cluttered which they do already and makes it more dangerous and I just don't think that's the look we want in our County so for if they're gonna put a digital sign that should take care of all the special things that they want to sell and this the code enforcement having to go look on the back of everyone's banner to see or attempt to see when that temporary permit expires because they're supposed to have a sticker on there I can tell you we don't have the ability to do that today and and I just think that if you're gonna have a digital sign that takes care of your specials right there that's the whole argument for it so I don't think you should be able to have your cake and eat it too we need to clean up clean that up and if we're going that way I think we get rid of the banners and the all the other things then a little crazy mr. Jim yes so we're gonna allow the LED signs and someone that puts up the LED sign and the county attorney can you say in the ordinance that okay you can have an LED sign you can't have a banner I think you probably can okay so long as it's a it's a prohibition that is content-neutral and applies to everybody you know some theaters being used by those that don't have the LED I mean that's just a given because they have to have a way to have their temporary message and we can't say no to that yeah it's one or the other those those are canceled Kevin out for that led still there's also just the all or where there's an allowance for a sign regardless of the duration on everyone's property it's kind of like a free speech sort of thing we have to be have the ability to have a temporary message of any sort so we do have that actually in the code and that's a safeguard release we're not watching people's rights to speak that would stay in there so I'd be careful as far as when we get to like shortening our shrinking the size of the sign because you've got every business on that sign advertising they may have a special block just for those special

things that are going on so I'm gonna be careful how we approach that later so it seems that there is some direction to basically as a require if someone has an Ellie or elects to install an LED sign that they should that that property should not have any of the temporary banners or any of that because they have more availability to display more messaging on their property and going back to the permit process it sounds like it's la décima commissioner Starkey to expect code to go out there and look on the back of something I mean it's are not away with the seller I mean with technology maybe we need to rewrite that ordinance to where the permitting process to where maybe they don't need that long time maybe it's for a weekend I don't know but it seems to me like code again code has better things to do to go chase these explore where they should go this pulpit on computer and say okay there's 30 right now in Pasco County that have the permit hold they're allowed to have this if not they don't I mean we got a federal back to easier way we have great we would expect coats we know how busy code is how much appreciate it but they shouldn't be spending time chasing checks on the back of banner so I think part of this process when you clean that up with them a transition to sell oh you can run expired firming report then get a flag from all the expired permits if it's a permit for X number of days after it X plus one that would show up on the expired permanent through the dreaded biases getting out of the Carlos which was starting state as well since then you can just pull it out the computer and other parcel number yeah go go Tim yeah that assumes a repeating most are not I go and look at the back of they don't hey um so how about the idea of removal of other non-conforming signs on the property so the best way to describe this one I suppose is that for instance you may have a parcel that has more than 300 feet of road frontage along a road and a minimum of 600 feet and this parcel may already have a non-conforming pull sign but yet be able to place a digital monument sign under the code should there not be a requirement that that non-conforming pole sign come down please yeah I can only have one you have to replace it with a conforming son you can't make the sign you can't extend the degree of nonconformity on a sign so you wouldn't be it would never be able to put digital on a pole sign now and making them conform I think again my opinion led with that square footage is the same as what's allowed now at the monument sign I think you've considered the same I think keeping the code the same would make it easier for everyone not more confusing so I think whatever we're doing out if it's non-conforming at least be renewed I know Enterprise went through that on that fifties yeah they did a great job they made it less non-conforming it does it does it really does it looks great okay so how about yes sorry miss Jimmy yes um you know I'm thinking about what's a part shopping centers et cetera

are gonna want to take advantage of this year and get rid of some of the other stuff but if you got too strong as far as removing all the non-conformities there may be a giant sign that's out there that's got a huge investment to it that they've got up there and they don't really want to change that but maybe they'd like to put the led into that and I can see if you don't want to do that that's one thing but if they want to go put an LED and have to take down that major sign that may not happen just cuz they don't want to take down a simple sign as a static sign is up there so I want to be careful how far we deal with removal of non-conformities because it may be non-conforming but it's been there for so long it's an it's an investment it would still keep them from doing something other than using banners that still put advertising so I want to be careful that we don't go too far with you know removal of the non-conformities if it's still well within their assigned regulations okay so we're in disagreement with that we think that they're putting I think the majority is we've put we got a digital sign that non-conforming sign goes and and frankly we've had the monument sign ordinance for how many years almost 20 years Oh at least since 2000 anyone you're telling a non-conforming sign it's aged and I wouldn't say I would say their investment has been they've had that amortized and return and time to get with the rest and and I I do I've always thought that was a flaw in our sign ordinance because it's not fair when you have a new company come in that has put the nice 11 foot high sign and you got Joe Blow next door with a humongous sign that would never be allowed today I think everyone needs to play by the same rules so it's time we get the older signs in compliance with the new science yes chairman yes sir you know when I think about that argument I think about us 19 I'm just gonna focus to that area you get an eight-lane highway and you want to have a sign that's 11 feet off the roadway I'll let it be fight it's gonna be hard to see between the landscaping the trees all around that sign anyway but to just say that's a good sign I'm gonna tell you I think it's stagnated more growth and what change of these signs that are out there and if they do have that elevation they currently don't want to get to this if you're coming down for me 500 yards away you can see the sign coming up or even 200 yards away if you get a ground sign that's on there you know I can build to see it and I've got signs right next to it where we've got one gentleman has a sign that goes up about 10 15 feet in the air and the ground sign is down below it you can't see the ground sign that guy says I'm not gonna go change my sign to that others because I can't see it my people can't see it especially from across throw deadlines even just coming up to it so I will say on 19 with a four-lane highway I mean eight-lane highway is a big big problem with why we're not doing so well

in retail there if you want to talk about two-lane roads that argument I'm okay with but for there I don't think it works so mr. chairman uh so you know we're gonna agreed hopefully agree to disagree I would tell you that State Road 54 State Road 56 and all those roads are doing a bang-up job of retail and commercial and because they look nice and very few people are going to shop 119 because it's not a very nice road to experience and but a lot of it is because it's so cluttered when I met with the apartment people who were building at Gulf View Mall they said they didn't even think they were going to put a sign on 19 because there are so many signs that their sign would be lost and it's a waste of an investment so most of the time when people are going somewhere too they put the address in their phone or whatever and they go to it but when you have so many so much clutter the signs don't work anyway so um but look at fifty-six look at fifty-four look at Wesley Chapel and all the new areas they're doing great we're good let's Truman 19 is dying mr. chairman yes I think it borders more to demographics than just the science I mean you've got such tremendous traffic up and down us 19 if the people can't see it driving up and through they're making a struggle look to the south of us look to the north of us I think the signed orders as our biggest thing that's changes it when you look at the demographics of Wesley Chapel and Trinity that's why people are going there what's why they're shopping that's local people going to shop right there in that area that's why it's so strong but if we're gonna help these retail people and I say I like specifically isolating 19 to this argument they need to be able to collect those people coming up and down and grab their attention to get into the stores they're not going to go ahead and GPS then maybe an impulse buy you know what I do need the stuff they are going to stuff there oh that looks like a good idea for some sale that's going on we're gonna try to catch that retail so on that team the signs you see there they own properties they're not like on our shopping center and then every business there's allowed a sign on 19 are they so it depends on similar to like 54 and 56 if there's there might be out parcels as well so you may have the overall shopping center and then you may have out parcels that have frontage on 19 and the overall shopping center does have frontage on 19 but it's set back from 19 because that's where the shopping center is so you'll see a combination of those things because each out parcel can have its own sauna I can tell you I have you know friends at our commissioners in Pinellas County and City Councilman and their water have worked very hard to clean up their road frontage if you were to drive down Gulf to Bay today and look at it from 20 years ago it's amazing the transformation that they have done on Gulf debate by amortise they're non-conforming signs and increasing their landscaping the the

road everyone wants to be on that road now I mean the retail and commercial is booming and I don't think I think the way the attractiveness of of an experience does affect the demographics around it so if we want to improve the demographics which I'm working very hard to in the southwestern part of the county if we want to improve the demographics we have to improve the writer experience and not leave it how it is today but improve it so on this topic which is removal of non-conformities I need to get a ne to get direction we're almost there very few more questions that we've got to ask you yes I mean our job as commissioner want to make it easy to what I don't want to do is make this process more difficult if let's say I'm just giving an example and Morse and I don't know this to be a fact let's say I'm a car dealership I have to if I want to put an LED sign in the code now since I take down one non-conforming so the way that's so assuming that Ed Morris has 600 or more feet of road frontage they'd be able to have two monument signs and let's say that the two signs that they currently have our pole signs are not Mattias I suppose so ed Morse came to us today and said I want to replace this pole sign with a monument sign assuming for the purposes of getting led which that hasn't passed yet but let's say it did pass without this removal of non-conformities then they would just you know replace them on the code says today that you can replace and a pole sign with a monument sign and then they would just add the LED to it they could leave me right under today's code to replace the monument sign they would be able to leave the other on the other well let's say it's on the 600 foot of frontage the other 300 feet of the parcel I just don't think we need this needs to be any different I'm thinking somebody wants to invest in monument sign to do those I'm just using that example most of those they have seems like they gave up some signage in order to sign that's that way yeah okay there's so let's understand so what we're saying is if you come in with a monument sign and anneli led if you want to put an LED sign you cannot put it on a non-conforming Sun who could know but you can't heat you cannot add a monument sign and keep your non-conforming sign that would be doubling the amount of signage you're allowed to have on your property so I just want make worse we are saying that you put in the monument sign with the LED you take out the nonconformist that's right right but this but this question that we're posing to you is removal of non-conforming signs on the property so as an example is 600 feet of frontage you want to do a monument sign do you have to remove that other one that's are we going to sunset non-conforming signs I have I was thinking we had suggested something the last time we went through this discussion right about ways to get rid of non-conforming sites we should exchange of property business tax receipt renewals and so forth I had

prepared that last go-around and we had discussed it we can certainly bring that back to you as well in this package if you'd like yes well we can't keep these old signs up and everyone else is low it's just not it's not fair to the new businesses and it's all very old-fashioned okay so so then at the next question oh I'm sorry just a reminder it's really mine you know obviously the Commission at which I know they understand this but when we're going through this we're gonna have more discussions gonna be a process we're gonna hear from businesses throughout this process all right so some of this may change so I just just just remember that something we say now exactly you got a hundred people that are the businesses are showing up they don't like this so we give the right direction for what we think we won't if it's next next direction is do you envision seeing more than one LED sign per parcel right so now let's say you've got a parcel I'm gonna give the 600 foot parcel or even like a coroner parcel where they under the current ordinance a would be able to have a monument sign in each frontage do you envision a parcel having more than one LED sign so some circumstances yes just going back to work okay the discussion with well because you do have if somebody has a let's use nineteen again right it's like on the corner of 54:19 maybe a large will use a partnership for example again they have that partners up fifty four and they have that other furniture some nineteen so depends I think money Charlie Charlie right correct they're gonna have that well yeah cuz we have a large parcel uh yes it's gonna put parcel that wraps of two major highways they're good what the messaging on that I would they get a little message on that okay how about last question separation from residential districts currently the regional attractor and the CDD has a requirement that the sign has to be a hundred feet from a residential district that's just throwing that out there that's what's in the code currently on other digital that we've worked on so does the board envision a separation from the sign to a residential from the led sign to a residential district granted we understand that they're going to have the ambient light sensors and all that stuff's going to be in place on the sign it's not any different than the technologies that that we had considered when we wrote digital billboards regional tractors CD DS all those ambient light sensors all that's going to be on these signs but do you have do you envision a separation from residential districts well I think it depends on if it's on if we get through the nighttime if they're on at night yeah so I didn't ask the question about shut off at night because we did get enough direction that that was not something of interest so I didn't ask that question but there we if you want to touch on that there are places out there that require municipalities local governments out there that do require that there be a shut off at night

granted that would not that would not apply to prop the two businesses that are open 24 hours such as maybe a Wawa or like Walmart or things like that but there are places out there that do have night shut offs once the business is closed they shut off their sign but we didn't we didn't get enough appetite so that's why we're not asking that question but the question here is separation from residential districts a lot of anymore again be more correct you see when you're seeing dollars more more we needs out there that commercial is part of that CD it's an integrated process and they have their own restrictions and they're more stringent than yours it would be that that would be the way it was work they would have to do those enforcement that wouldn't be the county that would be well they happened upon that correct go do they do they not typically have to get approval by the CDD board for their signage certainly it depends upon how they're set up a lot of the commercial Potter has the ability to set it up that way though I mean DeeDee does a lot of the commercial parts of a community are not in the boundaries of the CDP yes so mr. Chairman I think this this we need to pay attention to this and I think it's in only a few places I think it'd be the vast majority are not near residential so but if you are in what one of those say older areas I can think of places along trouble Creek where you have houses next to a business I think this is something where you need to be mindful of the fact this is going to have on your next-door neighbor with the light you know it's like a movie being played out in front of your house so I think we should keep this in and I think I'll be in rare instances where it's gonna so I I I think I heard from maybe one or maybe two so I just need to get direction on this item let me so as far as you know maybe sign whatever the ambient light is on an LED sign now they're not an LED bright blur of monuments on what an LED signs at night B I know she says a movie it's kind of these static so it's not going to play in the movie right I would be kind of cool watching right all right yeah there I just wanted to clarify that there yes there are ambient light sensors but we also in when we did regional attractors and when we did the CD DS we did have a hundred-foot separation so that was included so it's something that's already in the codes I just wanted to talk about that another another thought could be currently if the situation on trouble Creek for instance and I know a lot of that may have predated the land development code anyway so you won't see the setback but there is a building setback from resident the property abuts residential there's a minimum building setback of 30 feet that's something else to throw out there that you'd have to sign a minimum 30 feet from the from the residential the residential zoning district that's adjacent to it any thoughts on that let's go back to commissioners dark is coming I think the issue is a ambient light between the the

current monument science and the LED side the issue is even if only changes once every 15 seconds you're still getting the change you can see from inside a house close can't sit on the front so there's two so that's a dimmer between the current monument sign and an LED sign does that change or a 15 seconds at 11 o'clock at night couldn't me no tonight I thought if they were close to residential we have to circumstance you're gonna have to permit you're gonna have to make sure that it does not have any negative effect on that's why the thing this is not gonna be very in very many places but I think we need to have this in effect just like we did on the billboards the existing is 100 billboards is 300 budget but they're up in the sky you know up in the air is that 100 feet far enough if it's a light or Adams gonna change it back wait we're not sure yeah the question is you know is there a point in which if it if the business doesn't need to fight business or 12-hour business for 16 hours is there a visit is there a point some point it you'll midnight 1:00 in the morning that the sign doesn't mean to be honest closes that light should go off agree agree with that I mean it's a business runs from say well maybe they only serve lunch and dinner from 11:00 11:00 at night or something like that have it all what we can do on this item is that we can and Commissioner Moore had a good point that this is gonna go through public hearings we can keep it as what the current code says for other LEDs which is 100 and then start working through the public hearing process and get feedback and see how that works is that fair mr. chairman yes what might work even without in heaven any worries if we just make it that once it's the business is closed it was an actual residential area that okay what do you think of that idea static are closing so once a business is closed static there's no movement there's no 15-second well we thank you very much for the engagement and for your direction and we will run through the solid waste discussion turn over to Mike and John absolutely Thank You mr. chair and and real quick what we wanted to stress today this very three distinct areas where we're looking for policy guidance on the first is recycling levels of service you'll recall that we commissioned a recycling pilot study mr. power we'll jump into that in just a moment as well as some additional changes to the solid waste ordinance we'd like to get some feedback on the list that we're proposing as well as any other thoughts that you might have and then finally I'd like to close out on the solid waste system and expansion we're going to go over some of the key challenges that we have as well as some alternatives for board consideration so in 2018 we we did a six-month pilot study into communities and we ran a a 2-1 collection which was two garbage weekly and once a week recycling we monitored the you know what the turnout the effect had with by doing that and we basically dealt with the recycling rate now it sounds sounds big but the thing

of this is that we're only recycling current eight thousand tons annually curbside so we looked at what that tundish would what it would do if we went across the board and we increase the level of service from a from a to to every other person third weekly payable recycling and we have we had the chart here I mean it clearly demonstrates that we get a large increase in recycling cycle materials but then we projected it out to see what that would do as far as the overall solid waste coming in and what it would do to push out the expansion we're going to talk about later what we found out is that it basically gives us a year maybe two years additional time before we have to start planning for expansion or we start planning for four landfilling that's the why we're here to discuss that that's the third item so we went back and we looked at additional cost for doing this right now we're typically paying about forty five dollars a ton to recycle a lot of it is we have glass we have forty percent of the waste stream is glass and what we're going to propose as we move on is that that be removed the the reason we it removed is because right now has no value as a matter of fact that's a cost it's a negative cost to us that we just thought that it would you know it would help as far as overall cost to the county and to the taxpayers by removing it we looked at what it would do to us as far as put it back into the waste stream run it back to the waste energy facility there is really no impact it's really kind of a dilution factor also looked at what it would do to the program that we're moving forward with on Ash for use and we're working with be able to get expect for that and they said that they would have no and impact as well on that so then we went back and we looked at the the hauler what it would cost the haulers to do it to one we had a firm consultant working with us on this and some submit interesting things that we found on here is back in July 2007 there was a an ordinance that was passed or resolution I'm sorry that was passed that we would do an annual assessment for the haulers based on a indices and we haven't done so since 2009 so looking back there was - there's two prices here that you will see that 269 is basically it gives the haulers where they should be at the current at the current time and that would bring it up to 1513 if you added that on to or current 1244 per month and then we also looked up what it would cost the haulers to do an additional collection of once a week for recycling and that's additional 176 so that's where you had your total there the 1681 so we're asking that you know we're recommending that that we do that because even though it doesn't offset the expansions as much as everyone had hoped it heard it does it does help but it does help you increase the recycling and very less complicated because I mean I don't need to know some months wonderful recycling now because right now it's the 1st and 3rd well if you have months that have you know

additional 5 weeks it's it's very difficult to keep up with we covered the glass the recycles it is basically to buy the marked they read everything right now there's only a few items commodities in a recycling stream that really is this profitable or a break-even I don't think anything right now is profitable but there is a break-even and we're good through 2020 we have a contract in Saint Pete with a processor there and we piggyback with Hillsborough and 2021 that would that will drop off will have to go back to bid right now they're not charging us for processing fee we have a floor as it stands right now when that's renegotiated we'll probably start getting charged for contamination and we'll also get charged for processing so we'll start being a negative even further what we are right now so it's just it's what the market is at the current time so I think so I think at this point we'd like to see board feedback on do we want to increase the level of service of recycling and by that we would recommend we do a21 that would come with an additional dollar 76 cost per month that is paid through collection to provide that level of service and of course then as far as carts go and the in the recycling study we did provide the carts however you know we believe that the haulers are probably better better suited to provide that directly to their customers who want them that would require you know a change in the ordinance in which we would we would move fairly expeditiously on that and we'd want to give the haulers some notice in order to implement that so we're looking at about an 8 month or so implementation period and as John mentioned part of that we would look through education to remove glass from the waste stream and run it through the plan so at this time just any thoughts mr. Moore yeah so consist without smoking with and reach out to me they they're definitely fond of adding another day of recycling so I'm you say did you say that's recycling breakeven or the cost it's it's not it's not a breaking right now it says it's a cost but again if we take the glass out that's 40% of the waste stream yeah so if you remove that because I mean we're getting a zero value for that as being landfill it's not being reused so you will see an upside by take the glass out and it will be a long process it's like blue bags that took six to eight months to finally to get the message out so if I'm taking glass that will will be better at the product we get from recycling then than we are now with glass in yes just kicking out some other product because that's why I asked contamination okay so I would have been for one in one until we take out the glass and then I think that one one probably doesn't work so to everyone well what we found out what it was doing the two in one what one thing and it gave us that they give you and this like that the second day recycling we thought that I'm sorry garbage collection that we thought we'd see a significant drop

in the amount of waste you could do one on one I mean there with it would if it's just this an achievable you team IQ same amount well you need to date collection you really do I think it's imperative we go to the two and the one you know my wife looks at the calendar if she's got page to page to page and trying to get it right and if there's an extra week in there and throws it off so I'll tell you to my neighborhood which i think is a pretty good group of people if I see four out of 20 cycling right now are they gonna be a lot yeah I think in position I think the numbers we're looking at the increase we're gonna get from the test study I think over time this we're going to get elevated more and I know we're gonna have to set back with the glass but I think that that number of participation is going to grow and grow and grow thank you right because I think now I'd like to say they're confusing first weeks I could have swore sometimes that people follow me well everyone have that blue and yellow container that really helps so we're still talking about a standard container maybe the each hauler has a different lid and again we'll get into as far as the ordinance goes then that's part of the stuff we're talking with the haulers right now as far as changing the ordinance and making some improvements in Corrections to it I told you my husband went and bought a new garbage can wrote recycle on it and they took it [Laughter] - chocolate business - I think there's a lot of benefits they've been you know Commissioner you mentioned like today it's just a little concerning to me and absolutely I'm okay with this increase but you know I guess my question is from a staff perspective of the Board of 2009 approved this for the haulers yeah small business owners to get an increase every single year how come they haven't gotten it since that's so I'm glad we're making them right but we're really not as all these years you know it's what we'd like to do is put in an automatic escalator into the orbit so that every year but it still requires this action so record is that we write the ordinance the right way it doesn't require an action yes four years ago we having a different conversation all electric and other things that thank those haulers has gone that gas every not everybody's will say well one's a fence stuff a bit because it may be that I think the gas prices may be a two thousand I it might have been a lot higher and then drop down and then maybe it didn't work out so if you want to look into that maybe a little bit John O'Connor that was what has exactly and some of the TSE does with electrical companies if let's say the price of fuel goes up there'll be an automatic adjuster in there maybe that's what we need to tie it to rather than just a regular know number to come up well we have indices that we do then I understand tell me you get I tune in to see it right so that maybe you tie it to that that may work yeah I guess the big thing to me the

stakeholders they're good with the race name of the US but right now the ordinance we're working through this because you know we're proposed online that's what we're not a new brain the ordinance we're working this part of it and this what we'll do is this continue with with the two one if if approved and then what we'll do is we'll come back in a few months with the ordinance change across the board so just as I touched on and won't stay with this too long because again we're working with with our legal we're working with outside counsel and we're also sharing this with the haulers our draft but what we're trying to do is that this hasn't changed that code 90 has been changed since 1991 and there's a lot as you know this county has changed a lot since 1991 there's opportunities here I think for both sides to benefit from this as you read on on some of this right here some of our concerns are you know customer service you know we've we've seen an increase of people contacting the commissioners here and a lotta stuff I think that if we just put a little bit more if we tighten up the ordinance and there's some kind of a you know some kind of fine may be associated whether there's something that you know and maybe find something right word to use but we just need to look at it we need to make sure that you know that that the haulers are complying with with what our ordinance says and move forward they're supposed to way requires right now it requires you know we set the the minimum level of service so right now it's two times a week garbage pickup and it's the first and third of the month for recycling and then we set the ceiling for what the collections currently it's 1244 per month now it's not to say that the haulers can't go out and compete competitively like a homeowner's association they can increase the level of service and they decrease the cost for that service and that's all we're gonna do here - you know we're all set we'll set the minimum standard right and they can always improve yes sir okay mr. chairman yes sir you know as far as complaints go I I don't get that many of them the ones I have heard sometimes it pick up so early in the morning that may start at 4:00 a.m. sometimes too many hollers in the street sharing the area it's tough to think they hope the micro kind of straight now they work out between themselves but I think one thing that would actually help that a.m. pickup would be that compressed natural gas we talked a little bit about yesterday maybe locating it at the Recovery Center so in the future I want to make that full discussion today but I think that is something that we might be able to do some good benefits for everybody if we set up that fast hauling thing at that site on our site include work if we everybody jumped in together I know I talked about I was going to try to call some hollered yesterday as we talked but didn't get that done so down the road we can have

that maybe that conversation comes back up again sure how do we take care of those hollers are actually placing their dumpsters in rotten ways I mean so I get ball getting dumps or smooth you know the earth for yard dumpster six yard or something of that size they actually have no room to put it on their property they put it in they ask you a question in there violation there because it clearly states that it should not be on the right of way that has been the private property and when we do run across that we'll call a company and they have been moved with them I know that some of the the haulers are doing away with with that but then there's another this would be again address later because you have a lot of private roads it that quite frankly the trucks can't get down so they have no you know they have no option but to put a container up front it's just that words the room to put it well unfortunately these is on the right away so that's up we'll have this question is whether we have been talking to haulers about that so we're aware of the situation we will I know that's happening over here in rahnaways well you go to Johnson Rouge and see more okay as far as tweaking that ordinance you're gonna be putting more requirements in for a higher level of customer service correct because I've been 40 I've had a remarkable increase in complaints and and I've been forwarding those emails to you so you know I do think we need to expect a certain level of service like having your whole neighborhood start which picked up well and to answer that elaborate live with more is that right now it's required by the ordinance that each each hall or east lysis hauler has an office and county and they have a local number well I can tell you right now that most don't they have a call center yeah and then you go to number 35 on the list so that's why you all are getting a call so that's something we need to we need to address so we've been with them it's a topic that just you know Commissioner Starkey she has been getting complaints them I think part of it might be something we talked about before so I just bring it up again is sometimes you have these residential communities where they have a rental tenant and that tenant doesn't pay for the trash to get picked up and it stays there and I know we talked before maybe it's a good idea to take a look at if we have these areas that are developed residential that we make it a mandatory thing to get it collected and I talked about staff with us yesterday the county did the collecting for those areas it would actually save the hollows money we might be able to keep the cost the same absorbing the cost in Afghanistan but if it was like an automatic pickup then whether I property was there in they had the utilities on we'd know that they should be getting garbage pickup instead of passing on his neighbor's it may make that pickups a lot better and I know mr. stark you've talked about this of you want to library for that a little bit

well I I talked when I had my meeting with staff yesterday we talked about this a little bit and I think you know we've done that we just tweaked the ordinance a little we just did and what a 10-year contract so we we'd have to give three years notice to go to to that however we can fix some of this with the rental registry and that if you are a landlord your tenants must have garbage pickup that won't require each week any other ordinance but I have a staff to collect data that says that if we do go to mandatory garbage pickup everybody's rates will go down and we will save the our constituents money on the garbage the cost of garbage pickup when everyone is required to have it so they're gonna be collecting that information I recall you know they none of the other commissioners were here but when I first got elected we we had some of those numbers given to us about what if when what happened in Hillsboro and the other counties when they did I guess the franchise and everyone's rates went down so we could they'll share those numbers with us well then the race not necessarily went down the rates level level across the board because when you do the franchise you're basically all you're doing is section off the areas of the county and you're putting it out for bid and a lot of times they'll make it three three haulers or three franchise areas I mean there's a lot more and two because Hillsborough is actually they charge more than we do currently but then you know if you look at the level of service that they're giving you know maybe they have a brush to breed pick up once a month or so but it only depends how you structured it but but again as we talked about right now you have to give a three-year notice and then after three-year notice and then I'm not sure how long it takes to implement it if that's in three years what the board decides to do so and just so you know right now we have one company that has 70% of the market and the rest of the market split up by four or five small smaller six six I'm Jack you know I've been a big proponent of having it should be required that you have garbage other John doesn't have it [Laughter] no because it's a little different in rural areas but in the urbanized areas I think you should but I think will take care of lot of the problem if we fix that in the rental with I agree I think that is a great solution to simplify the whole thing is that rental registry will dictate what's gonna happen so yeah and we're working again with with Jeff's office and outside to see what we do with the with the ordinance and that's strengthen that so I appreciate you so much mr. Allnut I want to make sure we stay as far away from getting into the garbage business as possible in clarify I wasn't seeing collected I was just saying to do the payments like some of the utilities that first came to Pasco they would have the utilities in there and they'd have their trash pickup in the bill no I just hadn't collecting the payments just on my selecting payments because that's one

of the things okay all the book work etc etc okay so yeah I'm not looking to collect the trash no I just don't know I appreciate the clarify that alright there's more a masterplan discussion so as you know we're working on the master plan this all the wastebasket plan we're updating it and by by going through it and we we worked with Stantec on this and they brought up some good points as far as the growth and as far as the money where we currently stand and the waste energy plant right now is at capacity we're pretty much maxed at about three hundred forty three and forty three thousand tons per year and the rest of that materials and is it's kind of strange we saw in one year an 18 percent increase in garbage well we're projecting a six percent so it's a level out but by 2020 we're gonna be at a stage right now if we do nothing we keep going down the path we are without expanding we're gonna be building an additional twenty acre sell every four acres and each cells about well we look at a ten acre cell but each cells anywhere from twelve to fifteen million dollars so we have ten cells left so our investment to build out at that rates could be about 150 million dollars or look at the expansion at one idea we have some numbers that show that you know as we get farther down into the presentation that we can offset the cost quite a bit by you know putting some money on it and some some bonding but right now we're looking at the projection that we pretty much need if we're going to start moving forward with an expansion we need to start looking at starting that right now the process you know we're looking at anywhere from a four to five year process and maybe the fact is it's not a green field that we're starting fresh and they were just added on permitting should be much easier so that timeframe is sure now but if you look to the projection here on this next one you can look at the growth the red is is everything above capacity so by 2026 it be imperative that that we have that unit up and running and and I have met with all the commissioners and there was a few they had mention about if we do a prior to that Ashley Pasco County when they first built the existing they did that they actually build it when I was at 70 I think was 74 percent so what they have done they went to Hernando they went to Plant City and they went to Hillsborough County and took the excess so and until Pasco caught up with what they were producing within the county then they shut those those sites off so I mean that's always I mean the worst case scenario if you build this and and you you have more capacity you can always go to Hillsborough County because they have a Northwest transfer station that is not far from here but again the planning that it should begin if the direction is to move forward to continue being a waste energy County this is this is the this is our projection here if not we're gonna be landfilling and we have a graph which which you've all we've shared with but

if you do nothing and you just continue down the road we are right now with with burning 2050 daily that we currently have that capacity at the wte and then we landfill the rest our landfill fills up in 2050 for I know that sounds like it's long ways down but you know this here before you do it then after after that fills up I'm not sure what what you do at this time now we've also looked you know we've had a contract out of County where you to utilize that as well and we had that for years it was in place a long time ago and we have a good we have a good price that's 26:52 take it out of county and that's t md well in 2021 that ends and the price militants so then there's just no choice I mean it doesn't make sense to go out of County so we will start landfilling so it's what we're coming to you for some direction about you know if we can start to look at the expansion of the waste energy facility right now that plan was built for expansion it has the infrastructure in there that you can put the boiler in you could utilize the same tipping for the same pit rather and at Tippie floor so we projected this at 190 I think you know 190 million and we didn't look at it from any power generation although there will be something out there but we don't know what that looks like and that we currently brought a consultant on board who's working with us right now that's going out looking at talking to do talking at eco talking to Seminole and and talking to cities that want to you know green energy so so we've already started that we're not waiting until we fall off the cliff that we start started looking around but and if I can if I can jump in an ad and so one of the things again just to set the table again remember the the revenue shortfall deals with capacity payments that the county receives from Duke and that is to have the power capacity on the grid ready to go when these deals were struck in the 80s there was a waste energy was that was a new concept and so they back loaded these additional capacity payments towards the end of the contract so right now the county the county sees a decent share of revenue that comes in directly from these capacity payments however when that contract expires in 2024 we believe that those capacity payments we'll be minimal if not non-existent now that still has to be worked out but these capacity payments have allowed our solid waste program to keep rates stable they've allowed us to to save up if you will in order to to pay for this waste energy expansion partial cash partial bond type deal and so we we utilized our consultants and Tec to come in and do some revenues efficiency analysis on the solid waste program and kind of look at this this financial challenge that we're going to see in the future and by that I'm talking these capacity payments and so we looked at essentially three alternatives that we'd like to get some feedback from the board on and the first is let's keep rates fixed let's not expand the waste energy plant in other

words that is a true do nothing option I would I would tell you that by 2029 we deplete our reserves and it's completely unstable financially the second alternative would be similar to what John was talking about we we don't expand the waste energy plan but we landfill we utilize a combination of out-of-county as well as our own landfill space you saw that if we used 100% of our landfill space that we run out of land in 2050 for again we would have to do something different at that point in time but there's still a cost associated with that you still need to maintain a viable enterprise and those land sell those landfill cells come at a cost and so you would look at about a $6 per eru increase over the next seven years in order to keep the solid waste utility financially viable the third alternative is to move towards the path and again as John said that the plant was made for expansion was to go ahead and to expand the waste energy plant and for that in order to make that work there's there's a couple of different options but we will need we will need the funding by the time the waste energy plant comes online so one is that one idea is take it over time seven dollars over the next seven years would help us generate the the funding that we would need to in order to execute that alternatively you could do a just-in-time if you will that would result in a much higher rate increase in twenty twenty twenty five and twenty twenty six all at the end of the day it's about it's about the funding and having the cash in there to build the reserves to be able to fund the debt and I think right now I think that the target plan is is about a hundred to one hundred and twenty million in cash to pay for the police energy expansion with the room with the balance about seven million to go into debt that keeps our debt service levels normal and I want to help us keep the keep the fun stable over the next course one more month so the play was built right now we currently have three three hundred a ton per day and that's based upon a heating value of 48 and so I get the complexity of that so what we are proposing to do is Adams because I had a fourth to shoot before a fourth owners area that you constructed instead of putting it another 350 in there because that's your pretty much within years right back here again so we're looking at six hundred nine presenting that kind of and that would that would take us out so you know that would take us how many years before I mean right now we're currently is playing some operations since 1991 and we're just now addressing the issue so we would add another pool or to the existing billing rates the existing structure so we wouldn't have another standalone it was just what we're doing is just add it on to what we have yeah you could utilize the same crane system that the tipping area the pit everything else others you may have Hispanic cooling tower you put another term generator images I mean there are some

things you have to add but the structure so no fixed rate keeping a fixed it's actually not fixed we approve a 2% increase annually for this number which again hasn't happened I'm just throwing it out there 30 years we approve that for some reason board needs to know that yes sir somebody spelling will have to get back yeah I just wanna make sure the board understands it so we've already approved a two-person I believe it was a 2.9 percent increase over 15 years was something to that effect however again that was a few years back so this new analysis that we're looking at I you know I'm not quite certain that that's really sufficient at this point I can't answer for you no we are not so so to be clear the $7 would be the current assessment right now is $65 per eru we would look to increase that assessment annually at $7 for seven years we would already been recovering some of this money that was no need for that what get you there almost ten hours and I sorrow no man sir yeah okay mr. Jim yes a couple of questions the capacity payments what do they get what are we so right now we're at $88 a megawatt we export just I mean it depends how much we use in-house but typically is around about 25 27 megawatts this past year we we did 27 million dollars in revenue for off the electrical every year we get a 6% increase on that capacity up to 2024 and 2024 will be at $119 and 30 cents per megawatt so a substantial and and that capacity was factored and also not the fact that we'd fail but they used that that whole thing based upon coal what the aborted charge would be that it would take a utility to build an offset of what we're generating so right now coal isn't isn't the comparable it's it's natural gas so that's that's what we're finding right now dollars is what I'm looking for a dollar total will generate I've Justin grant here from our fiscal group he can give you the numbers sure capacity fees in 2019 come in at twenty three point eight nine and they've been pretty steady for the past six seven years they continue to escalate so in accordance with what John was talking about continues to escalate so if you look at so like give you a quick picture in 2017 number 21 million go up to twenty two point four then in 2019 year and so basically just like John's time talking about your going to the top of the mountain until you fall off okay then when we fall off are we still gonna get some money for the energy we generate we will get the electrical generation but it's a very so right now capacity is 88 percent of our revenue their balance and that gives a bigger as you go on right have you ever higher revenue okay and the companies nowadays they have no there's no like the federal or regulations where they get benefit having capacity for the grid so as industry has been fighting this for a long time I think we have a good opportunity to push from a county perspective which we are looking to do to see if we can get help in that direction to get them a benefit to view

well I mean and to actually look at us this green energy give us you know give us a little you know a little bit more credit you know actually give us more money for what we're generating the the dollars that we would get after 2024 it drops down is like it's about a third of what the retail would be for the energy cost but a full percent back we haven't here that you lose I think it's a 96 percent of what our revenues are after 2024 like the energy we generate right and that's a based upon is like one third of what the retail market is for energy or is it so we're doing baselines at three cents we can like three I think it's three cents right now's what we're getting a generation the retail numbers like nine or twelve in some cases okay so somewhere at least between nine and twelve at least we should get the full retailer we create such as some people do with renewables that they do it for their own homes at a minimum of an argument so I think we have a lot of these things on the visa yeah we're a whole well if we're using through the county with all our buildings all over the place I'm looking at heaven it'll totally cool right and we just getting credit that's like it's not guys correct went back into the grid when they can I need it back net meter and that meter if I net meter it out or at a minimum that's something we should be fighting for and I think there's like 11 other plants or 11 other counties so there's other things out there to that that we're talking with our consultant about is that and there was approached on the table I'm not sure how many years back it was but there's giving percent of what you generate from the from the power company like if they sell 12 cents a kilowatt that you get seventy percent of that if that's what you're generating I mean there's a lot of ideas out there it's just said I I think the county pushed it's a industry I think you get a lot more bang for your buck and they listen to you so that's the approach that we're starting to put again work with other communities and push it forward I mean I think on a chart newsroom whomever results it shows the other counties enrollments miami-dade city of Tampa Pinellas County st. Lucie County Lake County Lee County Hillsborough County in Palm Beach County all have these plans they all struggle with the same thing and it being affected just like we're going to be Miami Marty somehow already yes so I think we really need to focus this I've actually worked with the Florida Association of counties to take a stand to push it forward but because it's only this small segment it's not an issue they're gonna go fight with but it is something I think between all of us in this chart that we need to all get together then go fight Tallahassee federal do whatever it is to go try to help us with the situation I think it's something the nation should be doing number one I mean burning trash is supposed to landfilling makes a lot more sense of creating energy is supposed to be a good

thing so I think this could be some momentum part but maybe it takes us being the leader to unite everybody to go kind of fight this forward I would direct staff to write a letter and let's bend it out to everyone who has one to seek once it gets on the start yeah well one more question I didn't hear I know we discussed how much sure so so firmly and as of the end of 2018 we've got get sixty four point three and I'm restricted in 80 point eight and restricted and so like my kind of talked about the current seven-on-seven model is with seventy of that going with our own cash and the remainder I think it's the other way around I'm sorry I'm sorry you're correct 20th - 17 debt correct and originally the facility was built back in 89 in Milan 91 and it was 88 million that's big money back in 89 probably so you make your economic decisions what's the incentive what's the net cost business makes sense and the board back in 89 made a brilliant decision going forward with it no question about it I think we're gonna get something again we're safe by zero not the power factor but but I think we're gonna get something from it we certainly had the right people working on it which would bring the dumper down that we're talking about right it would also our assumptions are very conservative oh yeah numbers and so that's always the best way to really correct I'm surprised however we need to give you direction which we have not with which alternative right three yes I think that's our recommendation is alternative three yeah we see 300 this is offset with any energy savings we for aging yeah contracts with guys on back in but we won't know that BER for a little while so and that's a net number irrespective of the we have the things in place well just just forest knowledge Justin Ross clerk could be use but he he's working with the OT what we all are working with you t and u F and deities put together aspect right now that once we have that speck on the reuse on that ash as a road base will start be able to move forward because really what we're looking to do is get some cover to make sure that you know we're doing it correctly we're moving a Ford so that we looked at that you could actually take landfill life back on the ash cells you know 60% we see that materials in there they can be reused so right so we've got a lot of opportunities with that and we'll we'll get that and explore you know ash reduces one and Commissioner here what you're saying with with regards you know we still conduct annual revenue sufficiency analyses and and through our budget process will will simply look at do you look at weight stabilization the or or other matters in order to ensure the citizens are getting well that's that's a that's a that's a team effort with in infrastructure so do you need to discuss with Public Works County engineering and solid waste to make sure that we're all in alignment but keep my most opinion we did we're not messing really with with the base

and then we can go to the next phases beyond that so that's something in the works and is one of their priorities and then the last one wanted to highlight so we're just showing it on a map in terms of where the morning site is and where the date city projects are and then the last one is this effort Hills CR 54 from u.s. 301 to 23rd Street Margaret Smith is here as well just discuss this as a joint project with the county in the city so it's moving along quite well and the details are there but any questions sir we're happy to discuss and then we just wanted to highlight a couple of other projects with that we leave leave it for any questions or any other clarification you might need anyone have any questions next city of Dayton city good afternoon and thank you for having us here today and we're joined with Commissioner Black and I've also got our Mike Sherman our city planner as well as mr. de Bono who is our public works director I've invited them today to give you Mike mr. de Bono to give you an update on the drainage for our downtown stormwater which I know is as much interest to many and we're happy to report that we're moving forward so I'm gonna ask him pinkies over there I think either you can grab a mic or this mic or so I'd like you to feel posted up or sit down so you can update everyone on where we are with that Jo that would be appreciated thank you madam mayor and thank you very much possible County for having us here today so I just want to provide a quick update and project synopsis about what our downtown stormwater retrofit project actually is and what it consists of so date city's downtown area has been plagued for years with a major drainage issue some water runoff is is basically the main issue that we have downtown even just a light rain storm during the summertime light afternoon rainstorm is pretty detrimental to not only pedestrian traffic but also some of the issues with folks trying to get to our retail and commercial properties in downtown so what this project actually does is it actually is going to be an installation of about 2400 plus linear feet of storm water sewer system which will actually be ranging in size between 24 inches to 48 inches it'll meander through the downtown area with various Street drains on the street corners collecting the stormwater runoff that actually does pretty much collect all the way down to the d-o-t right away over there by the 98 bypass the storm will actually be crossing underneath d-o-t right away underneath CSX right away into what is called our urban pond which is just on the east side of CSX right away you know or our train depot is it's just the pond just to the east of there the project also includes provisions for expansion of that stormwater pond as well as a reconfiguration of its hydraulic treatment system there so what we'll do is it'll actually be dredged out in a fashion where it'll may endure through the stropping out some of the suspended solids and trapping some of the debris

that's collected on this on the roadways and then increasing its treatment time there and I'll be ultimately discharged out to the Withlacoochee River passing Neath Canal Street just to the east of that pond and the project was actually awarded to a coming and root poets on March 12 we have a pre con meeting coming up here pretty soon and it's a project that's going to be scheduled for completion right now well into 2020 sometime in July or August as it stands right now funding mechanisms are state appropriations city contributions as well as FDOT NPDES dollars Thank You mr. de Bona mm-hmm there any questions on that project we're very excited and wrong is that an expansion of an existing project or beginnings of a stormwater program in your downtown it's actually it's a completely standalone system right now except for excluding the component of the urban pond because that is already actually collecting some sort of stormwater from the west side of the tracks there's actually an old VOT installed system along Meridian Avenue and some portions of seventh Street that will actually flow into that same pond as well so at least the sewer storm water sewer system is going to be completely brand-new on its own and it's also cold out now we're 2012 date city stormwater master plan it's the this group would allow me I know it's not on our agenda but we did have two other brief topics that I have our city planning here that we'd like to talk with the which are above the city county partnership that would be the annexation of enclaves as well as the maintenance of county owned properties within the city limits we mind if we just for March up to date on that I brought mr. Sherman who deals with land use and also planning in our city and good afternoon thanks for having us here today wanted to comment on the Enclave project that the city has been working on as the county probably knows that the city's got a lot of enclaves in in our incorporated limits and that's properties that are completely surrounded by County properties that are in unincorporated Pasco County completely surrounded by city properties and that as far as delivery of service sometimes provides the problems or issues for the city so we would like to work with the county our county attorney and I believe have spoke with the County Attorney's staff a number of months ago but we would like to have an agreement with the county where we could compel those properties starting with the commercial properties along 301 and possibly moving under residential properties to have them come into our city through this process the statutes allows us to do that and we think it would be something really good for the city and ultimately good for the residents who are in those enclaves as well and yes maybe is that voluntary or I mean do I believe the statute lets us do that if we get an agreement with the county that we could compel those properties into the city and the look into was an accounting attorney I

guess yeah parallel I mean kind of Terry always have to be involved with the agreement right yes we've identified all those properties and there are many many properties in the city do you condemn those condemned them no ma'am we were just do you well do you force annex them do you get you guys need that not us that would be correct we would force them into the city limits don't know the process mm-hmm this has been something that I my understanding is we've been working on for many for a long time you know not just months I think through different attorneys so I it is important to us not only as we to complete that annexation and it would be involuntary that we do that but that would help us we're already providing services to them both from our police as well as water and sewer under sue and others so it just helps us to complete our you know our annexation or infill and then as we continue hopefully to do some annexation in the future so again this is something that didn't just come up and this is something that we have been talking about for a long time and I think as we continue our development north and south of our cities that we wouldn't be in the best interest of the city as well as the county that's correct we spoke with Elizabeth Blair yes yeah about that maybe a year ago and then I spoke with the planning staff I believe about two years ago and so we're just moving forward I've identified all those through a GIS model I built and now we're exporting that data once we get that it would be great to have that agreement with the county so we'll forward it to mr. biles or two and one other thing was the county city properties and yes we've got especially I've seen them in our downtown area there's a number of properties that the city has take or the county has taken I believe for not paying taxes through that and a number of those properties are in overgrown and it just would be good if them on the maintenance of those that we could have with some kind of understanding that the county would be maintaining those properties keeping the weeds low and the debris and trash off those properties within our municipal limits what specifically what property is being I don't have a list with me but I there are some out on the within the city yes or there within the municipal limits I believe in the county owns those properties yeah you there they're small residential sized properties that are on the counties thank you yes so one last one first I want to say that the county and Pio staff has reached out to the city staff on a number of occasions and they're really helping us a lot try and get a handle on the heart of the Morningside extension one really neat and unique part of that would be to continue our hearty trail alongside any right away where that new road would the morning side extension would go I met with the county staff I think it was last month where we started discussing the sick people Agenor say hey we'll work with you on this so that's kind of where it is we've got by3 done an alignment study we have a preferred

alignment and now if we go through the federalization process where we can do the PDE that would open up a lot more money to the city to make that happen as the county commissioners know that's been a roadways been discussed a lot for many years and with sort of not a whole lot of east-west roadways in that part of the city so it would be great for economic development but it would also provide a direct dasa access all 301 to our hospital in town which would make getting people who need to get to the hospital it'll get them there a lot quicker they was a direct Road as opposed to going down Clinton and then down for king or Meridian in down for King Thank You mr. chairman just one quick to the annexations have you got like letters of support of the people that want to be indexed or so with the way I see this in envision once I've I'll put it all the information or who the property owners are we would definitely sit down with them and as much as possible we would ask them to voluntary annex into the city and then if they can't city Commission's direction to staff is to to continue with they for lack of a better term forced them into the city then that's the process that's the process we would take a city staff if we're directed to by the City Commission I guess not necessarily date City its regional to this area and that is a few years ago we started looking at mapping out bike routes in the San Antonio and st. Leo those hills and I just want to make sure that that process continues and we need we hired an engineer to to determine the best routes and and I think we've determined that some of those roads need to be widened so that the cycling community and the farming community can safely use the roads and I had just haven't seen that plan come forward and I'd like to see that continue even if we don't have the money to do it yet we need at least me to plan for it and then figure out you know how we're gonna get the money but we should we should be moving forward with all that work that we did yesterday or may I just say one more thing I'm just kind of segment off of that I said I not only been important doing those roadways then I know the b-pack and MPO we've talked about that but as date City moves forward in putting in this bike hub and becoming destination I know mr. Thomas is here and we're talking about East Pasco and all of that that would be beneficial to having that hub in Dade City as well as then going out to these Pasco with those roadways improve so we're hoping that that does come to fruition and that study picks up again so that will add to the importance of those monies in that destination there in this side I know I know that Hernando County used on d-o-t safety safety money I think it's called transportation and safety money to widen was it Spring Lake the to the Fernando de Pasco County line to add the shoulder and then you get into Pasco County and boom narrows down so they can use the money for that we should be able to access the money for

that that's good Mary Hernandez now talked yesterday about some of the issues with the bike paths law and and there have plans on the city and you know our develop we're just getting ready to start doing more in-depth planning on an orange belt that Lawrence Bell trail is the trail that goes from Trinity to the Withlacoochee trail it's the old railroad mine we know we've sold a lot of that corridor and auctioned off some of that rail corridor but we have big plans for that trail and I think it would be a great economic benefit to this area yeah and mr. chair as we again and Thomas and let's play our new Sports Coast theme you know where that is Pasco we have such a unique opportunities here except for Hill Saint Leo and Santana and date City we really need these will help us to make that all you know come to fruition in a reality really helped to boost the economy and as we continue to move or I get greater numbers so there's there's some things in the works that's going to make it better than beasts bascomb for sports activity so we've been discussing with different ones and there are some real great things happening and I don't know steal somebody else's thunder you know great things in these bastards everything thank you I would like to express the regrets of the city commitment city clerk Rick alley who had a last minute schedule conflict and he apologizes for not being here okay we got good things coming in that area that would go on to the city as ever you good afternoon thank you sit down together efficiency we mostly we want to just kind of give you some updates and discussions on traffic good afternoon everybody I'd like to show our appreciation for the the County MPO John and his staff Manny and I'll leave been very helpful in the city with us having some regular meetings recently we're meeting with $10 as far as the update to that the county's LRT P and I'm sure a lot of you all know there's a lot of roadway projects that are planned in separate hills and it's probably a little difficult to see the the map that I have here but always road projects and blue or green are our major roadways that are going on in Zephyrhills of course 56 we're all familiar with County City joint project the state appropriation that's getting ready to open I'm representing the city as we work with d-o-t on that appropriation aecom out of Tampa's the engineering firm that just got awarded that project so the city wants to be involved with that as we begin to look at alignments where we're and how state route 56 can be continued further to the east and the whole purpose of that again was to connect not only to 301 a four-lane road but to continue that up to the Chancery of corridor of course that's planned for the probably the largest area allocation of industrial manufacturing property for both the city in Pasco County so we feel it's very important to get that four-lane arterial road connecting not only a 301 but in some form or fashion

to Chauncey Road it's interesting as we went through the the process of selecting the group there are some outrageous ideas where they shoot in 56 straight over all the way to 98 crossing Hillsborough River through the Green Swamp the city let them know that we're not although that may make some sense transportation wise our goal is to help facilitate development for industrial manufacturing and economic development job creation for both the city in Pasco County along our industrial corridor so we feel like that Road really needs to connect a chancy road so it could be simply along the three alone corridor work and take various routes to probably 39 and then connecting to Chauncey Road of course 39 comes into Zephyrhills 301 there's a PD uni all the way from Hillsboro County from Fowler that's going to be four-lane all the way to 56 then north of 56 on 301 there's another PD you need a for laning net we might have to look at the prioritization of some of these projects and realign we think that state we're at 56 on 301 is going to have a big impact for Pasco County in South seperate Hills so we might have to look at the prioritization of that and look at the four laning of that segment of 301 into Zephyrhills and of course further to the east we have 98 they commissioner oakley had told us that polk county is looking at four laning 98 all the way to Pasco County and one route is you could take that all the way to US Highway 301 selfishly we'd like to see 54 also get poor lane all the way against the Chauncey Road where again you got that four-lane coming from the east to that area where we have designated for industrial manufacturing so whether it goes 98 301 or 98 to County Road 54 we would like to investigate those opportunities and have further discussion with the county on that of course Chauncey Road just zooming out for a moment kind of the some of the discussions that we had with Ollie and Tyndale Oliver was kind of the big picture moving forward with the LRT P and we feel like if we can get 56 to the past 301 to connect a Chauncey then you go all the way to old Lakeland Highway in the date city or you take Cairo 54 298 that's a good roadway arterial perhaps at Chauncey wrote that even before land to help facilitate all that development that will eventually happen industrially on the corridor then you come in to Sarah Hills on County Road for past 301 to island Boulevard you got handcart moving up in the village of Pasadena Hills and coming south you pass say TRO 54 go down Morris bridge to state row 56 we'd like to look at the Popper tuna tease of having a mini bypass around separate hills and the sea down the road if those roads could be four-lane and help reduce some of the tension we have through us 301 that we're working with d-o-t in downtown we feel like there there's opportunities if you take Island and then Chauncey around the east side to provide that bypass around the city there and in addition you got Fairview Heights that another east-west road so we think that long

term we'd like to have some further discussion with Pasco County and looking at this regional corridor a transportation network that would wrap around the city to provide the regional trips the truck traffic around the city and provide access to the city's airport that's updating their Airport layout plan and again all that industrial development this is just a project we received an appropriation of $750,000 from the study in the city of 215 Network so once 56 does end there that we have some options for going further Bob we're going to talk about the stuff that party yeah South 301 we mentioned that that area is going to transform tremendously we're working with Gary with your staff on an or 301 corridor vision and land use strategy we just had meeting this past week to continue that process probably more important though is because of 56 coming four-lane to 301 we'd like to also work with the county of a similar process of a corridor vision and land use strategy that both the city and Pasco County growth management your planners could collectively sit down at the table and try to plan and lay out how that could best grow and develop in the future so we'd like to bring that into discussion as well we're also working on an industrial quarter master plan on the east side of the airport we received a deal we do forty thousand dollars to conduct a study there and we're also working with DMT and Kim Lee horn on a state project also marketing the airport and conducting methods of improving marketing and access to transportation and we're in the process of doing that right now I'd like to skip D for a minute and just go into County Road 54 well again talking about right now Connor I'm 54 the appeal brought up there's some improvements planned at intersections and there's a trail on the high school side there and a sidewalk on the north side but we ran into some conflicts when we were trying to regionally four-lane that road with the school district getting the necessary right away and there's a Duke power pole I guess transformer line pull that that was in the way so ultimately we decided on scaling back and only doing two as it is now a turn lanes and pedestrian improvements with our master plan that we just talked about regionally of connecting Kiner of 54 from 98 in-house we still talk about it with staff that down the road whether it's part of this phase that we're finishing the design engineering on right now or if it's down the road to continue to look at that for leaning of that road where you could have some good regional connectivity transportation wise from from 98 I'm just starting to look up 54 in that trail you'll talk top um but do you have a trails master plan or in and out of your city and could I get a look at it absolutely we shared that with the county has it your MPO step but we could certainly afford the approved document to you as well did we ever put any trees I want real one no 4G is willing to come

to us without got too big then we'll waste that opportunity I know d-o-t wanted to see a plan or something between city yeah a natural use it appreciated that trail stops right now a Kasich road from Kasich to Geiger root is going to be add an additional lane than DUI but the trail in there then from Geiger Road we plan to have a cycle track that goes through downtown and that will connect to the trail South Korea one that connects the 56 and and I recall at a feedback meeting years ago gentleman had a bike shop that impressive you know came the idea of putting a bike park a I won't like tourism guy over there he wanted to put I think it was past the park is that the name the park their biological dad pass code he wanted to turn that into like a ramps and jumps park which this Bay Area could really use has is that in your areas at our area what's yeah it's a county park but the former David who passed away his apprentice now owns the bike shop and he still has continued interest there's a facility that you're describing up in Ocala where people come from all over the state to try the trails and the wooden apparatus is that spent there many times I don't do that Johnson he's still doing that you would like to do yes I think that'd be great for the county and that seemed like a good place to put it and I we call him also saying that there's a borrow pit nearby there in that that he had secured permission to put elevation change trails in that area and so you know those borrow cuts make great trail park so I think what the county should pursue that in the city we have transferred to the Hercules property to the city and we've been meeting with our parks board and the City Council and are looking at yeah a weeks ago and I think it's nine boards to hardcourts pickleball ports [Music]

competitions international in the future this is the interior layout that will have a workout room tennis pro shop and can I see the parking lot again anyway so you don't require landscaping in your parking lot yeah [Laughter] [Music] so we are we we view this as a real booze and fit in your sports well our car bond issue I think we can tell you right now that's we we can only renovate existing with that right you you first have to complete the list that was done with the bond so the project list that was as part of the bond package you first have to complete that before you do anything else well it's not for new projects we've got a list over here and if I could say something says I didn't have a perspective on the center until I went to a fundraiser that we had for and it really is an international effort we're putting forth there's gonna be a school where these players are gonna come from all over the operator is just well known everywhere he used to work out of Saddle Brook and I just envisioned that there'll be some type of tennis school there and these antennas people their parents have a lot of money when they come in and I didn't have a real good grasp on it until I went to that and I'm like oh I get it now so it's a it's really gonna be a boon to the city in Pasco County potential ideas we have there may be some ways in the future good and also we have a couple questions we are interested in knowing if you have a plan or a date on the resurfacing of Highland Boulevard Road East that should be late for summer sorry Lakes our thanks summer yep and we're looking at some ideas for that's gonna be a couple years wire right yeah that change no I don't think change well I've been I've been tone for the last two years is happening next year and it snaps next year again yeah that's not the plan yeah stop the list we got there's gonna be some widening in that road and paving that was on the list that we were having a project manager this is that's a public do you get impact fees to help paper yeah and that brings me to pretty much the final issue we are relocating the traffic signal that's on 301 shopping centers [Music] the network drives reports and the other will be a pretty fun than 301 so medical arts report is where the Dairy Queen of the mayor of bread are they'll be cut through to open that kind of a bony contention with some of the property owners about a 1.6 million dollar job we're doing in conjunction with primarily thing most of it we have some developer contributions will have infective funding and VOT so that should be done within the next eight months so that would be the major change in some of the practical design and better suit with the major intercellular six over at cross right into a crossroads and I'd better access we have to front reverse

frontage roads that's a benefit to it and the last thing we have is we just wanted to bring up there about five climate change that's going on for gas tax sharing and if you're interested in reviewing that sometime when you're doing so what are your rules for landscape and importantly you get every ten spaces you have to have a landscape oh my guess okay so these are old older ones yeah so we have a we have a rule that I hope we strengthen that if they spend so much for modeling then they have to bring their parking lots into conformity so I don't know if you guys have that but we're trying to get rid of these and I would think you guys are - yeah that big guys any questions well thank you I'm here on behalf of the town of st. Leo and of course mayor Christmas the first topic is the brand-- Oaks development that's being discussed the town has expressed its opposition to the proposed density building height allowance etc contained in the Grand Oaks proposals we are continuing to be involved in working with the property owners representatives in the county an attempt to address and hopefully resolve the issues one of the things we all agree on is that when the property is developed a multi-use trail will be installed to connect to the town and will be built when the SR 52 extension is constructed I would like to kind of give my own take on this and to say that the thing that I'm looking for personally when the project is done is that the view shed is going to look is normal as possible is undisturbed as possible that whatever development is highly visible from highway 52 as well as other current highways that it all blends into the background and is not standing out in any negative way so I'd say that that's just a brief comment on that I certainly like to express appreciation on behalf of the town to commissioner oakley for changing the meeting to date City on the Planning Commission which is coming up in May when we're going to be visiting this issue in great detail I'd like to move on to the topic of electric vehicle charging stations and say that this is a topic that's new to me in recent months two months ago when we had a map meeting the mayor of new port richey casually mentioned the topic to me I became curious as to what we have in the way of charging stations in East Pasco I've gone on the US Department of Energy website and based on that I'd say that in East Pasco we're a little behind the curve in doing our part to develop a national network for v's charging stations so my questions are along the lines of is there anyone currently planning to improve it improve evey stations availability and East Pasco who's interested in you know advancing this it's my plan to speak to Saint Leo University I think they may be very receptive to installing charging stations in the existing university parking deck as well as the new facilities that they plan to build on campus I think in st. Leo I mean in

correction and both suffer Hills indeed city I encourage both of you to take this into consideration as you're looking at major development I think that's brilliant comment and I wonder do we have any rules for our buildings do we do we put it put in X amount of EB stations things that we do know and we do have some of the IT data center and I was part of the lead certification process so there are some out there should be putting those in I think the school system we are the Maori we are investigating the possibility of adding them in other locations and that facilities is working on that right now but I think we should be participating in that thank you sir since you're working with singly I would suggest you or whomever reach out to like Tesla for example themselves they have been known to install them themselves okay in certain areas obviously you give us a look at you're gonna have to look at you have to look at like two different for the demographics so how many you know vehicles that they have in the area right but they have been known to do that obviously something you can get for nothing is better than pay for something isn't it fun right so Debbie my suggestion to you reach out to those guys first or have somebody reach out to that company okay see if they'd be well especially it's in a university any more apt to do that versus for government very good I think I think we should I think we'd be smart to put them into we have been Zephyrhills we got one at City Hall and then Walmart was proposing a major expansion so we got them to upgrade the landscaping sidewalks and trails and we haven't put in and leave it's for charging stations they paid for it all look at grants first before you yeah okay well based on what I've heard today I think the information that saw on the Department of Energy website is not entirely up to date because if the website is indicating done in Suffern Hills and mayor Hernandez has pointed out that there are some in today's city other than the government center so I wonder who the keeper of the map is no I don't know so there is a Clean Cities coalition with the tips area and what they're basically doing is keeping an inventory all the different agencies I think we should have a link to that on our website somehow well Tesla maintains a GIS database of their own of the network they know about for the cars that they sell I mean there's a pre national intensive database that they have that links up with the vehicles as they drive around I don't think anyone here is driving an electric car they was I'm trying to speak for the water to be Boyd County we do have my brother in law but David Goldstein is nine he drives an electric okay I would like to add the comments that I see this as something of a hospitality issue that if we're going to be attractive to people from a distance visiting East Pasco it's going to be more attractive to those who have

electric vehicles if they can go on a website and find easy access to charging stations thank you and families who drive here from out of town for boarding events or whatever and they need to leave they don't know where to go to charge it up all right I was saying I think the the largest in Tesla making sure it happens for their vehicles it helps them in all our vehicles so the large extent the private economy is taking care of meeting that demand a lot of places right so wouldn't be surprised see one at one of the exits long 35 don't think he's prepared he's not only a general phenom be prepared that presentation he can tell us what's happening yeah go ahead tell us what's going on out of in your world yeah so you currently have 105 disabled hockey hockey teams that are in for the USA disabled hockey tournament at the I've been health center ice they're coming from all over the nation it's gonna generate a large amount of room nights I don't want to give an estimate or an actual number right now because we still have to get there they can have a report back at the end of the event but spent the past three days at a Dallas consumer show selling to destination selling skydive city selling our our blue and green way trails selling this sports experience for outdoors enthusiasts that are looking for destinations like ours to come and have a memorable experience so right now we're just working on sports related events that is going to generate a large economic impact for the county a lot of things you've heard lately even in their fields Ernie right yes sir no soccer yes sir could be a big big happening right in our area nice pass code counts yes sir we just launched art obviously everyone knows about the sports brand but right we're trying to push our website out there that offers an extended amount of information that that that is really catching in terms of not only the content that's that's presented but we also have our destination video that's that's a showcase on our website as well so if you haven't seen us check us out at Belle Sports post com question damn you guys with any ABA accessibility issues with your website okay yeah get a hold of me we'll get you a Todd Bailey our IT guy what we're doing we're with PDF files reader yes yes oh yeah yes no I'm just kidding you owe me I'll get to like those I think all of you should get with our mr. chair that was brought up at the we were Tallahassee glory of cities for legislative days and that was a big topic so yeah I think I've heard all the cities to reach out to you tell you what we're doing I guess that's everything we have today I want to thank eight cities therefore you know st. Leo's hands down you [Music]