02.19.2019 Pasco BOCC

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at this time I'm not there good morning everyone I would like to call to order this Pasco County Board of County Commission meeting at February 19th 2019 I would like to ride everyone to please silence all electronic devices at this time and at this time I would like to ask all please rise for the invocation and pledge of leader merciful creator your hand is open wide to satisfy the needs of every living creature make us thankful for your loving Providence and grant that we remembering the account that we must one day give may be faithful stewards of your good gifts amen madam clerk please call the roll district to a Commissioner more yeah district 3 Commissioner Sharkey district 4 commissioner wells your district 5 Commissioner Mariano here district 1 chairman Oakley Thank You mr. biles you wanna empty some seats all right I'd like that all the board staff asked with County Board staff if you could leave and listen to the meeting the public comment out in the lobby so we can open up some seats for the citizens that are here in attendance today zero though so we're trying to get some seats so that there's some seats up front yeah you know take the signs off mic so that's that's part of our RFQ a team so they need to sit here and listen to this so thank you but there are some there are some seats open up front if you'd like to sit down I see at least four empty seats from here and in the in the meeting is I'm pretty sure the meeting streamed on the TV right outside in the lobby so about the people in the back come on up front there's some seats right up front here at least five seats up front okay well we do look good okay all right all right now as now is the time for the public comment session for citizens given an opportunity to come in on any item before the board during this public comment section the board also takes public comment on items placed on the future board agenda other business under their purview public comment or for public hearings will be held at 1:30 this afternoon on those public hearings individual speaking during public comment will be given three minutes to speak after you're stating your name and your address for the clerk the timer we're located on the podium will start at the countdown after two minutes one beep will sound the light will change from green to yellow letting you know that you have one minute remaining after a time is up two beeps will sound the line will change from yellow to red indicating the three minutes are up and it's time to close your comments okay at this time madam clerk will you read the folks of this okay I'll tell you the first three we have signed up we do have three pages full so if you could go ahead and line up the first three I have Mike Lynch and then I have Judi Richards and then I have Eileen wise Murr if you guys could sign up I mean line up and then we'll be waiting for Mike to speak thank you and please state your name and address for the record thank you

am I going to show in Pasco County I prefer not to give my address if that's okay if you have an office address that's fine I'll leave it for the attorney I'll give you my license if you want sir is your address exempt for some reason legally I just I just enjoy my privacy and I don't want somebody you know that disagrees with what I'm saying to come visit me I'm not hiding you to see my driver's license as well okay it's four zero three to four more tears thank you okay I received this letter and I was I was dumbfounded did option number one said we then receive their water sewer services at the standard County rate I'm here to ask y'all do you really need to have a meeting to decide it all the citizens of Pasco County should be treated fair and equal now according to the local news are more than eleven million people that are illegally in this country and then are receiving access to what was once the best educational services in the world this cost is being funded by all the people at this meeting these people that are here illegal in this country received food medical housing and legal assistance paid for once again by all the people in this meeting the people at this meeting have served their country or are currently serving in law enforcement fire and EMT service military commitments and thousands of everyday jobs within this community many of them paying exorbitant fees to local government just so they can go out and earn a living legally and yet we have to take time out of our busy schedule to come here and beg our elected officials to allow us to see there water sewer services at the standard County rate I respectfully ask the five commissioners before us to raise your hand if you are not going to vote for anything other than option number one this way we can replace you come our next election we're fine do you think that comment really yes sir obviously everybody behind me thinks and what I was going to say to complete that sentence was we can replace you with somebody that will treat us with the same fairness and compassion that 11 million illegal aliens are currently receiving from this country thank you [Applause] and that's next speaker is Judi Richards one-one second let's stop for a second and let the Chairman give you the rules about how we're supposed to behave in in here so could you mention no clapping no clapping no outbursts of loud noise or anything or you can go outside and wait out there and get everything done or you can sit here respectfully for the people that are speaking and the commissioners and all staff while we listen to each person speaking it's very important to hear you but you gotta allow us to and you got a refrain from being outbursts all right thank you good morning i'm judy richards they live at 21 23 hilo Drive in holiday Florida like I just said I resided in Lake kindly the condominium community and we brought several petitions to you in regards to the two access roads into our development mainly Roselawn drive

and Bonita Road we have several signature pages asking that you please consider repaving or repairing the potholes in these areas with high asphalt patches since when it rains the materials now being used get washed away and the holes are so large we either have to avoid other cars or pedestrians walking on those roads to get in there and we're afraid we're going to hit somebody in the dust time there are children waiting for school buses and you're dodging dodge you're dodging the potholes and we're worrying about hitting somebody that's walking on the roads we understand that there there has been requests for the road to be fully resurfaced at the cost hopefully of the county and not the people that live in buona Vista and Lake kindly since it is an access road and it's the only way for us to get into our homes we would like to have these permanently done they have been done on a temporary basis I don't know what I'm not a construction worker what kind of material is used but every time it heavily rains it gets washed away and I personally and other residents in our Park have called to have them refilled and they are but again they keep washing and it's a waste of money and in closing I understand that Commissioner Starkey you have been over at buona Vista last year I'm new to the area I've only been here four years this is my first meeting so I don't know all the history but I talked with mr. Oakley and mr. Carvalho and they are willing to work with us so I'm hoping in the future that we get this result and in snap ten years down the road because I understand this has been an ongoing issue thank you ma'am if you go if you go out and into our offices my secretaries in there our Executive Assistant Michelle and let's make an appointment and I'll discuss with you how that process works okay Thank You Beth okay thank you thank you the next speaker we have is eileen weiser good morning my name is eileen Whismur my address is two zero three nine Manoa Drive and that's in holiday Florida I also live in Lake Connelly and as well as a group my concern is about sidewalks along with our streets being so bad we have no sidewalks for the people that the residents live in the community to walk on and they're walking on the street sometimes you have you have to wait if there's cars coming from the other way you have to follow them we recently went out one night about five o'clock and was a family of five walking down the street and they wouldn't even get off the street so we followed them for about a block before we could pass and get around them and I'm concerned about those families recently I read articles in the Suncoast paper about money being diverted to trails in the parks three million from the penny from Pascal I want to know why we can't have that money for our roads and our sidewalks why can't some of that money be diverted to that also they're putting new trees up along 19 to beautify it we've just been we've just been

designated as a Hut area and so we're we're going to be a slum community is that is that what's going to happen and I I think we need we all try and maintain our and so they look beautiful and South buona Vista their Northland Avista they've got a new management company in there working and trying to get some of them dumpy hoses cleaned up so I think I think we need some help from the county and it's the same as your friend I'll be happy to meet with you and explain how those monies legally can be spent and what's going on in your area so just go around and speak to Michelle yeah and one of the things I wanted also wanted to say I didn't know I was going to talk so this is kind of the top of my head right along like a LAN Sun the Sun the little road here there's all kinds of trails and stuff for our sidewalks you never seen people on them and also along the street by Publix which is listening that Street know Darlington the Sun right you still have there's there sidewalks all along there for a mile and there you never see anybody on so I'll explain how it works okay great thank you all right thank you okay I'm Gloria yarrow I have you crossed out did you decide not to speak you're next and then I have if you could line up Arthur I said hey Tiki had had Ike and then after that Beverly okay Beverly Healy thank you for your name is Gloria Arrow I live at 2107 Kona Drive in Lake Connelly holiday and my concern I think mrs. Richards covered it my concern was the school buses taking on students in the morning and dropping them off in the morning if it's if it's dawn you cannot see these kids you're trying to avoid potholes somebody is going to get hurt and it's going to be a tragedy because it shouldn't happen you can't be looking at kids and looking at potholes and people are swerving around them and speeds always a factor of course but we do have this petition and I think mrs. Richards asked if you we could have to a second a motion a second to receive and file all those in favor say aye aye thank you very much for your consideration thank you our next speaker is Arthur Oh were you finished ma'am yes yes I'm sorry I said thank you for your consideration and hopefully something will be done does your community have an HOA or Civic Association yes we do so I don't think anyone from your association is coming to my South hardier Harbor sleep Leadership Council of which mr. Haiti Keys a member but I am encouraging all the associations in this South harbors area to come to my meetings we do them every two months and you learn all about how all these things work okay so when you go speak with Michelle well we'll get all three of you in one meeting and then we'll hopefully get you to send someone to the meeting so you can learn how to help your neighborhood okay fine thank you but I understand I have friends in buona Vista and we have the same management company as they do yes and I understand you were there last year I have a hundred fifteen

age away scientific associations in that area so Kay I go I'm out all the time all right all right think you'll be happy to meet with you guys thank you thank you mister is it hey Toki yes that's it good morning it my name is Arthur Hideki I am a resident of Gulf harbors 3205 Seaway Drive and I'm here this morning as president of the Gulf harbour Civic Association we want to talk about the fqa system and hopefully the county acquisition of that system I purchased my Gulf harbors home in 2007 and at that time we had serious water quality and reliability issues and our private utility company lender ik was threatening large rate increases a 50% more yet in 2009 Pasco County and this was an Hildebrand working with attorney Brian Armstrong presented a series of meetings describing fuga as fgu a as a white knight who could acquire the lender assisted solve our auto water issues and we would only see a 30 to 35 percent rate increase over three years well I have to admit fqa has improved our water quality and our water reliability but it has been at an absolutely incredible cost to the residents of golf harbors and the surrounding community yet we have the highest water sewer rates in the state and probably very close to some of the highest rates in the country yet my water bill often exceeds my electric bill and I'm heating and cooling a three thousand square foot house during those 2009 meetings we were told that the county would have the right to acquire the fuga system at any time by acquiring the the are paying the the debt service that was on the system at nowhere and I mean never not once was it sated that the residents would be responsible for these debts that fuga acquired now these debts are we had absolutely zero control over if this had been disclosed at the time we would have demanded oversight of fuga and we would particularly have oversight over the two unregulated privately held companies that are fuga we feel our 3,000 plus households deserve the same water rates as the rest of the county the county got us kind of blindly into this fuga trap and we hope you will approve a 2% County rate increase so that all county utility customers will be paying the same rate as many of you know we've been working on this since 2015 and it's this is an opportune time to refinance the bonds that fuga placed on the system and this two percent rate increase would not only cover the cost of those bonds but ultimately it would also provide extra money to the county for further improvements to the countywide system we would greatly appreciate your consideration and your course positive vote on a 2% countywide rate increase and thank you very much next speaker is Beverly Healey good morning good morning I did not court am I am I on the mic yes okay great Beverly Healey 3707 Corsair court I did not coordinate with art so some of what I may say you might have just heard I've been a resident of Gulf harbors for

forty five years when Joe Borda on The Linde ryx utility system and when it was acquired by fgo a and 2010 at that time I must confess I didn't pay much attention to the procedure I just knew the quality of the water and the service were unacceptable a glass of water out of the tap had stuff floating in it and the woman who answered the office phone was typically rude so any change would be an improvement when Lynn Drake proposed raising the rates by 58% residents were outraged Pasco County was unwilling to step in to buy a failing utility so commissioners approached FGA I believe Commissioner Mariano was on the board at the time and Hildebrand was the district commissioner strongly advocating for F dua and Ted traders signed the interlocal agreement revenue bonds were necessary to finance the purchase and Pasco County had the right to acquire the utility as long as the bond obligations were met because I wanted to know what was going on I've been attending the quarterly meetings of the FGA customers committee staff members provide current information related to system management maintenance and finance as well as capital improvements I believe the team has done a professional incredible job of operating and managing the Lind ryx from overcoming years of neglect and the ongoing issue of saltwater intrusion we all know that Linda crates are higher than the county rates and nobody wants high rates most of you remember my husband King I used to nag him to please shut the water while he was brushing his teeth on the other hand now there's nothing floating in that water the pressure is good so the showers and fire fire hydrants will work and fgf addresses complaints in a timely manner the Gulf harbour Civic Association sent out a notice requesting strong turnout to ensure that voices are heard the Linux system sends out over a 3,000 bills every month I wonder how many of those voices feel that FDA has failed to provide quality water and service ten years ago the complaints were about what poor water quality now the complaint is about how much it costs my main concern is that the county will have enough funds and staff not only to acquire the utility with all the obligations but also to be operate to operate a maintain a system that has been catching up with deferred maintenance how many times can I have one more quick I promise it's not okay okay the second I know of two existing links between county utilities in fgu a the first is my Karbala your assistant county administrator but as you know he wears another hat he's a member of the fgu a board and as such he's familiar with both utilities the second link is more fun the annual water awareness poster contest and I won't go through all of that but it's to teach children about water the theme this year is to illustrate how they are water lemonade to finish school we got others to speak lessons we thank you for your comments last sentence I promise just as I hope these children learn about the importance of water and

educating their families too so I hope that you will be able to educate concerned citizens about the complexities of this possible transform your time is up I'm sorry but you have difficulty of providing rate relief if you can do you will be you're doing heroes today thank you thank you King taught you well the next three speakers are Mitchell Cober Nick and Anthony Pascucci pisky and then Gigi Evans okay good morning my name is Mitchell Coburn ich I live at 5,000 won south shore engulfed harbors I'm here I'm here representing myself and Gulf harbors United as aren't mentioned earlier there's been a small group of us that have been meeting with County officials and and county staff for several years now trying to find a way forward for the county to acquire the Lin direct system from fgu a I'm happy that we're here today to finally see the fruits of those labors and I would actually like to personally thank Commissioner Starkey for being an early supporter of this and helping get us to where we are today I later today you're going to be hearing three options from staff about how to go forward with the acquisition of this project they're going to recommend option three which is that the Linder customers paid 25 percent surcharge over County rates they're also going to present option one and that's the one that I would like you all to seriously consider which is that all County customers pay the same rates for many many years before I moved into Gulf harbors the Lind Ric water system customers have been paying more than double the water rates as the rest of the county for for water for the same water now in the Lynn direct system there are a lot of homes that are of the more modest size and some of them are owned by seniors that are on fixed incomes and paying twice the water as the rest of the county has really been a hardship to them over many many years and they're now finally entitled to some relief I should also point out that there are some some more mid priced homes in the areas as well and to that point I would say that those homes are already paying a higher percentage of taxes to Pasco County in the way of property tax and it would not be fair to ask them to pay a much higher rate for the same water as everybody else so what I'd like to basically summarize in is that when you hear the presentation from from mr. Carvelle please consider that everybody in the county should end up paying the same water rates and not have a differential rate for some people that may have been around for a lot longer than others everyone should pay the same rate after all this water is a basic fundamental service that the county provides and there's no reason that there should be a tiered rate structure where different people pay different rates thank you thank you for comment next is Anthony I'm sorry I don't think I'm pronouncing your name Thank You vice chairman and the other commissioners I'm a simple

citizen of this pass code name and address real quick Anthony Pascucci five four three nine Lahey Lane New Port Richey I represent nobody but myself but I stand with these hundreds of residents of Pasco County who and ask you in simple fairness and equity to let every one of these ratepayers pay the same rate I echo mr. Coburn x-com ents and I urge you to evaluate option one fairly and give every rate payer the same opportunity to enjoy Pasco County thank you final one we have signed up is Gigi Evans if anyone else wants to speak you can go ahead and line up at this point Thank You Gigi good morning my name is Gigi Evans my address is six three one five spoonbill Drive new port richey three four six five two and I've been a resident of Sea forest since 2000 and I am now currently the president of the Gulf harbors beach club I've been asked to come in and represent a lot of the people that are part of that Beach Club just to let you guys know we agree with everything that's been said here we hope you vote yes I'm sure I'm also a title agent and I do a lot of properties in Gulf harbors my husband's a builder they call him mr. Gulf harbors at the at the building department so we are very familiar with the area familiar with the people that are in this community and it's not fair that anyone should have to pay additional money because of where they live County everybody should be treated equally no matter what I don't care what color you are I don't care if you're red or blue voters whatever you are you should be treated equally the other thing is that thank you so much for everything being better Lind requ terrible and FG UA is better but you know I'm ready to have one of my husband's porta-potties put out in front of the house so we don't have to pay so much for water but anyhow that's I beg of you guys to please at least listen to what's going on and consider it for your vote thank you very much thank you good morning please state your name and address for the record thank you yes my name is Phil Aston I live at 5920 Seaside Drive New Port Richey Florida representing a few people in my neighborhood here brought a letter that I think has been sent to most all of you thanking you for your efforts in this this is a great thing that we're finally trying to resolve this issue many of us have been there a long time I've been at that location for 29 years let me read just this quick letter I'll be brief dear commissioners we have been residents of Gulf Gulf Landings Association since the early or the late 1980s and early 1990s for the past 30 years our water has been supplied by Linder Akande now fgu a during that time we have seen our costs to access fresh potable water rise at a rate that has been disproportionate to the other residents of Pasco County as homeowners we have not had any choice in deciding no choice in deciding who to purchase water from water is essential and yet we have been forced by virtue of our address to have our water supplied by

privately held utility that has been run with little to no government oversight now that the debt has escalated to such a degree we as homeowners are faced with the prospect of having to bear the financial responsibility of this mismanagement since 2010 international law has recognized the human right to water and sanitation that obliges governments to ensure that people can enjoy clean available accessible acceptable accessible and affordable water and sanitation the Board of County Commissioners is the legislative and policy making body of our government as such the residents of Pasco have entrusted you with protecting our best interest in a fair and equitable manner as you accommodate the county's growth and expand and modernize we respectfully request your consideration and accepting the transfer of fallujah after you a water companies to the county utility department by increasing the countywide water rate by 2% we feel that any other choice would unjustly place additional burden on the homeowners that have been there for so long and had no other option but to utilize that that utility again thank you for all your efforts at this point we really appreciate where we're getting at this point at this point it's just simply the fairness aspect we've heard that word a lot today as to who's going to bear the burden of this we have had no choice but to pay that increase the amount those increased amounts of money to those utilities that have gone through their lender ik and and foogoo you and haven't had no choice to go to any other location thank you very much appreciate it thank you for coming please state your name and address I'm Don Rodin 3017 shepherd's crook or in holiday I get my water from Pasco County utilities and thank you for providing a wonderful service to the rest the rest of us that are with Pasco County water I thought you might like to hear from someone who's not personally affected by FG ua as to whether or not we'd be willing to pay 2% to bail this horrible situation out and my husband is very cheap and even he agrees that this is the right thing to do these people were victimized actually concerned in my in my opinion and I believe the right thing to do would be to pass the 2% so that we can all be on the same level now thank you for all your efforts thank you is the a/c working what temperature is it working at name an address individuals name is Richard Latour live at 45 points on Mitchell Road in New Port Richey I'd like to thank the Commission for accepting the fact that there is something that can be do we've only heard prior to this that there is nothing that we can do except pay our bills and what I'd like to state is that golf ava's woodland this is ungentle justly along with everybody else that is under the control of FG way and prior to that Lind rec as the highest assumed water rates in the state of Florida and we're counting on you to help us correct that we depended on our county to help us make the right choices to ensure that

FCA and Linda Ric were managing our water services appropriately but we have found out that this has not always been the case a year we have seen first Lind rec and then f2 you a manager our water system was a level of gross incompetence and negligence that has been ignored by Pasco County both were allowed to ignore mat as a simple routine maintenance and upkeep that are considered normal practice for any water upkeep and had no County or site to correct them when the cost for these this negligence their negligence came due they simply passed those costs on to either consumers and we were left with no choice but to pay our bills we feel it is now up to you to get us out from under this debacle and on the right path to this end I feel that the option to raise the Pasco water rates across the board by 2% is the only fair way to do this Pasco utilities was set up to provide everyone in the county with good water in fair rates and we have not had this opportunity therefore we should not be penalized by paying more than any other customer as a taxpaying voter in Pasco County I employ you to hear my request and vote appropriately please do not let us down everyone in our county is bearing the burden of this we have a lot of taxpayers under fqa who are senior citizens they are homeowners who have children going to school that they're bearing the cost of that older children that are going to college they're bearing the cost of that we have disabled veterans we have disabled families or families with disabled persons in it they cannot afford these high rates thank you for listening to me thank you for comment sir thank you hello i'm stacy docks turner i live it well the microphone down please thank you Darkstar 6006 209 for your way I spoke with many of you thank you for bringing this before you when my husband and I moved here he's retired Navy 26 years I became disabled and like he just said to have to try to figure out where his money and my money is going to go a large part of its going to f2y away this is not what we moved here for my husband retired we came here to have this as our forever home and this is a big aspect of why we are just seriously considering moving from York County is there's no reason to stay here as my husband would put it he feels like he's being fleeced I feel that maybe there was bad management before we moved here in 2015 we would like a fair shot at staying here lowering the bill would be great it's hard to imagine that before one drop comes out of my faucet I'm paying $60 it's a lot of money and I'm emotional about it because I want to leave here because of this I feel that we're not being taken care of I would like for everybody across the board out of the that I saw the two-percent I'm willing to pay it I know that the water system is not that great I understand you know there's a lot of aspects to it but there's human beings on the other side they've worked their whole lives to try to have a better life and we've saved up to move here and now we're seeing all

these things going away because everything's so expensive to live in Pasco County so I just would like you to consider taking the 2% from what I read was the best option for what I would think it's still high but I'm willing to pay a little bit if we're at least working evenly thank you thank you my name is Michelle Bell 6 to 32 Bayside Drive I also live in Gulf landings I'm a neighbor of Stacy's I wasn't planning on speaking but I agree with everything everybody has said but I just want to put like a couple of little things in perspective every time I turn on my sprinkler system and I have a very small lot it's $25 every single time I turn that on if I do that four times a month that's $100 it's a lot of money over the course of a year my grass is just about dead we are retired Coast Guard we bought our forever home just like Stacy and my husband is a numbers guy he was on the water committee we figured it out how long it would take to pay off that debt how old we'd be 80 years old 80 years old we've been there just over a year and a half I think that's a long time to pay off a debt that we had no dog in the race and most of these people didn't either and that's really all I have to say and I hope you vote accordingly with your eyes open and I've noticed I've watched most of you hadn't looked up once at many of the speakers so I appreciate you are actually looking at me thank you for your time well thank you or that is anyone else to speak that have not signed up at this time if not then we close public hearing and we go to the consent agenda I have the following items fooled c19 withdrawn c42 revised c16 withdrawal c25 withdraw mughal full of the remaining percentage of c8 c8 continued so okay move approval the remainder consent agenda add motion and second to approve the rest of the agenda all those in favor say aye all right opposed like sign motion pass okay we'll go see 19 s withdrawn we're gonna revise see 42 miles you don't have dress your staff come back in if they're well let Kim go first and then and then Mike's up with our wine okay that so good morning here for district consent agenda anyway okay all right good morning Kimberly price Community Services Director we have pulled and revised consent items C 42 which is a Pasco kids first contract just to add fiscal Burbage talking about the sourcing and the funding for fiscal year 19 which will come out of the Human Services general fund that is the only change it was made to the agenda memo I have a motion in a second all those in favor say aye motion passed okay C 16 is patron C 25 is withdrawn and C 8 is continuous over we're two regular items C what are our one welcome mr. Kemal Thank You mr. chair my karbala public infrastructure can't imagine what this presentation is going to be about pretty important pretty important stuff here so a little bit of background the Florida governmental utility authority or FG ua operates

several systems within Pasco County more commonly you've heard them referred to as the Linux system the Pasco aqua system there are also systems referred to as the consolidated system as well as anecdotally we call them Aloha Seven Springs but the FG UA was basically put in to be a bridge between failing private ownership and public ownership the FG UA would go out and assume the debt or acquire the systems and a lot of these high rates that you've heard folks referring to are a direct result of the fact that the debt per customer is so high in each of these systems so just to look at it on a map the you know each of these systems are located throughout the county in various spots mostly on the west side however some of the central part of the county as well as even system out out on the eastern eastern side all these systems are basically financially connected and that is where they are located so in 2008 the county approved an interlocal agreement with the FG UA to allow the FG UA to purchase systems right the FGA does not come where it is not asked for and so at the time the the decision was made to allow the FG UA to acquire those systems as part of that agreement however the county always reserves the right to transfer or acquire these systems into Pasco County ownership at any time and what we're what we're proposing here today is a two-step process to accomplish that one would be a resolution from this board stating its intent to acquire what that does is that allows staff as well as members the FTA to put forth a heavy lift if you will to to basically come up with what we would refer to as an acquisition agreement that would define the term under transfer contracts a lot of a lot of minutia that goes into that would be done and then of course we would come back at a second time to seek approval for the acquisition agreement which would finalize the transfer of those of those systems so we have you know Pasco County utilities needs to take a look at these systems and and essentially we set forth by that I mean Pasco County Utilities team members to look at how do you bring these systems into the fold without having a negative impact to the water and wastewater fund and so we said we sort of set the sort of these these three overarching objectives as we as we went through that that was one was to minimize any sort of rate impact or pressure to existing Pasco County utility customers we also need to maintain our financial metrics we have a good credit rating and we would like to keep that so the more debt that you undertake whether that is to acquire a system or invest into systems we want to make sure that those financial metrics are kept in check so that we can maintain our credit rating our solvency and be able to move forward as a viable enterprise one of the things that we looked at then as part of that analysis is you have to look at the timing of acquisitions right if you were to bring all these systems in it once what does that look like or do you spread them out

over time for the basis of our analysis we looked at bringing the Pasco aqua system in first in fiscal year 2016 fiscal year 21 at this time we're only recommending that the County Commission move forward with those two systems that gives us time to stop and reflect have some lessons learned and then decide whether or not how we would pursue the existing the other systems but it's important to note that the timing of the acquisitions and what I'm going to show you next on the next slide it doesn't really materially affect the percentages and the numbers that I'm about to show you that the impact is is the same they're a cumulative effect if you will so our financial approach and you've heard it mentioned by some of the citizens speaking today we looked at three basic alternatives all three of these alternatives have the same financial meaning to the utility in other words they they they become policy decisions it is it is financially the same to the utility so alternative number one is a 2% County rate increase for both water and sewer so let me be clear that when we say 2% we're talking 2% on the existing water rates and 2% on the existing sewer rate you have two separate rates for all citizens of Pasco County utilities all customers correct so currently the adopted rate resolution that the board has is a one and a half percent increase for water rates and currently a three and a half percent increase for sewer rates so what we are saying with this alternative number one is that in the year of acquisition so for example fiscal year 20 if we acquired the aqua system we would need to raise water rates in that year only by two percent plus the existing one and a half percent or three and a half percent and then in for sewer rates we would three and a half percent for what we currently are already looking at plus another two percent or five and a half percent total so you know I want to be clear that these are these are cumulative that would only take effect in that year of acquisition subsequent years the assumption is is we would level back to our existing dupa approved and adopted rate increases alternative number two okay go back to slides for me if you would or maybe it's one there we go thank you so what you just stated Mike is 20 20 20 you look at Pascoe's aqua two percent increase water two percent sewer yes sir for Pasco aqua everybody hold on the next year in 2021 if we inquired acquire lender ik would be an additional two percent an additional two percent on top on the sewer correct yes sir okay so it's not just two percent for both it's two percent per acquisition that is correct correct in a year of acquisition only and then we would return to our level ratings so let's let's move forward a little bit you're late yeah hold on a second hold on let me before or more let me move forward and if you're looking at Aloha in Seven Springs get two percent for each one of those two correct that is correct

getting closer to the green area essentially represents some form of rate relief for the fgo a customers so you can look the the gold bar simply represents the debt service and assessment and as you can see cumulative out-of-pocket expenses it provides no rate relief in fact in some cases it provides a higher rate of payment so that's why we're not we're not really looking at option alternative two although you can't see in the case or - yes gold bars current gold bars alternative - I definitely don't want that form because that's that's not a help to them that's correct the the blue bar is assessing them just simply for capital that does provide some some significant rate relief however again looking at just the capital needs of the system you you can see that it's not very uniform and it's very highly dependent on what needs to be invested into each system so there's really no equity across the board for all of the FGA systems that we would want to to bring on board that really leaves you with the two alternatives the Green Line would simply represent coming in at County rates and that that number would would move up in accordance with rate increases and the black bar represents the surcharge which is essentially level it does provide some rate relief and it also provides some direct revenue that does pay for that existing debt service and investments into the system mr. chairman and dad that includes bringing in what capital investment money is still sitting within the different with it anyway for those utilities yes that is correct we we assume all of fgo a's assets as well their liabilities where does the first one pass go back there that's lab yeah absolutely so the Pasco aqua system there we go the Pasco aqua system he may have here refer to as jasmine and palm Terrace is here but also it is financially connected to that one over it's all I'm thank you for sure you can you can see it off of there if you look at 54 near Zephyrhills you'll see a blue dot out there that's that is that is the other one that those are associated with the Pasco system down at Gulf harbors the first to correct we would recommend that the the teal the Pasco aqua system be taken first followed by the Linux system okay all right mehran well yeah Thank You mr. chairman I'm gonna I'm and I want to talk about okay well table let me let me help you finish your presentation but if you want to ask a question all right let me thank you so one of the things that had been done in the past with the acquisition of East Pascal and Forest Hills was there was a grant through the state that's correct and I think he was even the first gentleman that that spoke today had brought up that their tax payers and they pay into the system as a whole well a lot of that money goes obviously to the state and your sales tax right so we look for appropriations every year has to do with water especially on the west side of the

county right we don't always get them but we have been successful in other ways ie last year we were able to get fifteen million dollars from the state for a road for an actually an interchange to assess with that so I what I would guess I'm kind of flustered with here is why aren't we looking closer asking our legislators to help out with an appropriation to help pay this so we talked about you know obviously some people talked about fairness across the board and everybody should pay the same well how about we look at lowering that even more as a whole and ask our state legislators maybe to come in with an appropriation to assist in this area that's one thing I haven't heard brought up and that's the one thing that's not an option well we're specifics let me let me finish but that's not part of these options and I don't I haven't seen that really a big push for it you're looking at making one acquisition possibly next year which would be passable utility and then you're looking at possibly the Lind recapture that you think it needs to be move forward and I think we need to ask is there a bill on the table right now I mean no I'm askin or a bill right now it doesn't stop us from asking yeah we have not we certainly can can ask well what's that what would really be good if we chose whatever one we choose if it's somehow we could reach out to them to help pay for these private utilities so we can reach out and lower that without having to be assessing some of this other so one of the things that we do do annually with the utility Forest Hills was not a legislative appropriation Forest Hills came from the from Kevin's department from state disaster money yeah so that's a whole different part we have a crane to the state to us and it's not a straight appropriation it was Forest Hills and the others wasn't that yeah amber put that Dilip put a bill up for that back in 2003 and 2004 right yeah there was state money I think I was I was gonna wait to the end but ten years ago okay I was gonna wait the end but but Commissioner Moore you were you were hitting on exactly where I was gonna go okay I think it's a brilliant idea and part of the thing that I'm looking at these numbers here you're throwing out are all really to me worst-case scenarios now these people he had didn't ask to be put in this position the County Commission from 30 years ago gave up jurisdiction his PSC and we could never get it back until 10 years later and it never was brought back up we tried to buy these utilities and they were very tough negotiators and didn't want to give it up I will give FG a credit with Brian Armstrong they were actually go in there and negotiate with him and surprisingly they come back with Aloha Island wreck first which was amazing to us now I wanted to see us take back jurisdiction the committee that was set up I was actually on the committee I stepped back to let the committee do its

thing so it wouldn't look like I was pushing my agenda on what happened and they the committee recommended the FGA now I will say for the hope in and in dreams that we had what they would do they haven't nearly accomplished what we thought and in 10 years of ownership by there abouts we figured that you know a third of the debt would be gone and it's gone the other way and their rates have gone up higher as well so I think this is a problem that we could have addressed better maybe we didn't have the luck on our side maybe just didn't work out with the people that were in place that controlled what they do because it was private utilities they could do what they wanted to go do eminent domain wasn't a good way to go so the fact that we here I compared a county like Hillsborough County they went through this whole thing 20 years ago they bought every single one of those utilities they took them all over and they didn't charge them any more money they found a way to do it and it's the benefits the whole county like today we're here and I like I think a lot of people people from the lender assist 'm now Commissioner Murphy you and I were as f4 Shores with the fqa system out there unanimously everybody wanted to see this done Jasmine Lakes people I will tell you right now palm Terrace they're getting an extra benefit because of the flooding that happens goes into the Gulf the state revolving funds going to take their interest rate down from that 5% whoever down the next to zero so they were actually going to pay for themselves a lot in that in that reduction but as far as Linda goes I mean we've got capacity in the new put forward plant new poverty plant that we already got so there's some benefits that they've got there but there's a way to make this work and Commissioner Moore I think you're dead and the money we can go to the state we went this summer tree we went to the state let state appropriation for summer yeah and Mike how much money do we get for that almost a million almost a million dollars if you took a million dollars for this one here I guarantee there's two representatives for this district that would love to make this happen and I'll guarantee they'll put in their agenda if not this session but later on but they couldn't do that until they knew where we were so Mike I want to give you tremendous credit and mr. biles for bringing this thing forward because right now we're at a position if we vote on this today to go make this happen we know what the effects going to be with the Opera system we don't know if we're going to get we could get extra money or we could go look for the lenders money and every single year for appropriations coming up we can go get that money and go push with that money and I think with the power we have in this region we can make this happen in the past this the legislature has been very well not so receptive to buying out these private utilities this issue is an issue that's occurring all over the state and and so and it's a problem for people in many

counties where they're overpaying because of the private utilities how the state even allowed private utilities just beyond me and I have brought it up many times to various governors and others and agricultural commissioners about this unfair practice I don't want to be held up waiting for appropriations if if we're lucky enough to get an appropriation then we can take it off take it off the bill but it's time to move forward and not wait for appropriations but remember what you're asking for when we ask our legislators to pay for our private utility companies that means all of us in Pasco are going to be asked to pay for everyone else in the state's private utility companies and God knows what that you know how much of total appropriations is that going to take I don't know so be careful what you ask for but if it's this board's desire to ask for appropriation I will go along I personally I think it's our responsibility and we should do it however I don't want it to hold up any action we take today so if I could add go ahead sir one more question whatever we choose to do whatever option could we also put there the fact that we reach out for these monies and from the state to help us and I think we could get some that that could be taken off to where it would lower the the cost and take away from that debt so gets them back in line so I don't know what option would fit depending on how much money but the idea is to keep it as low as possible to help these customers that have been suffering in this program for many years so so one of the things that we do annually within the utility as a matter of business practices annually we do what's called a rates efficiency analysis and that is every year we look at what our costs our expenses our projected income revenues etc and and we we ask ourselves okay are we still within the guideposts of these rates do we need to increase rates or do we do we need to not take as much as what we thought we would need so these are all done through through financial analysis and projections quite honestly so which is why every year we do a check back to reality so if if it is the board's pleasure what we're gonna ask for today is approval of the resolution of intent that resolution allows us to go through the mechanics of negotiating the agreement then we're asking for direction on which alternative to take and so that it part of that direction can be if it is the boards pleasure for us to just seek out an alternative funding that that could be applied to perhaps lower the impact of the rate increase we certainly can do that again that would be done in parallel I don't know how that would play out but but certainly we we would we would look into that if the board was myself I reach out to Senator Simpson and he's in leadership in the state for a couple years and best opportunity to maybe get monies to help these folks so and there are services oh all right so so again just a couple of notes down there at the bottom of this slide point out - no - we did look at a direct

acquisition and by that I mean just have these systems come into Pasco County utilities and and pay our current rates it the numbers don't work out we do not meet the object of holding our financial ratings nor are our debt our debt levels and it would be financially difficult on the utility to pull that off additionally these rate increases again as I've said they apply only in the fiscal year of acquisition and we conducted a ten-year analysis and we did assume that the current rates the current rate increased structure stays in place so but again as we do rates efficiency analyses every year we truth check those assumptions and then we come back and we build our budgets accordingly this is an impact to Pasco County utility customers bills and so the bottom line the bottom line on that graph represents a surcharge alternative and the cumulative impact to a Pasco County rate payer our typical our typical customer uses about six thousand gallons per month so if you look at that in fiscal year twenty we were to do the surcharge alternative alternative three you would see a $0.77 impact on a typical county customer rate per month if we were to do the two percent as its alternative one you would see a one dollar and fifty three cent increase on those customers bills that is in addition to what has already been proposed on current rate increases so similarly if you cumulative that out to tool indirect the Linux system in 2021 you'd have a cumulative impact of a dollar fifty six and three dollars and ten cents respectively for alternatives three and one as you move on we went ahead at one of our initial analysis we were trying to look forward but again anything out past three years is probably a little bit difficult to predict so we really and it may be the board's desire to acquire those systems in a in a different timeline than what we currently have this just gives you a comparison of where Pasco County utility stands in terms of other utility bills in the area as well as you can see some currently proposed rate adjustments for some neighboring utilities so Pasco County right now as you can see at one and a half and three and a half percent looking in that bottom table there is what we've proposed depending on what alternative the board wishes staff to proceed with would adjust those numbers by one or two percent each but you can see how those numbers would compare to other neighboring utilities and municipalities we're keeping our rate you can see how basically our rates fall in the median I mean there are others that are cheaper there are others that are more expensive I don't show the fgu ale indirect customer up here but that would be higher than tarpon springs obviously so mr. chairman would that would that chart yes that if we put that first rate increase we're still even under the city new port richey they don't even change change character so it would be the team's recommendation is that if the board really kind of a two-step procedure here if the board if the board determines that the transfer

the fgu a to county ownership is is warranted and that's the path that we wish to go down we would recommend that you approve the resolution of intent the resolution of intent includes basically only the Lind Rick and the Pasco aqua systems for acquisitions in fiscal year twenty and twenty-one it authorizes staff to go forward and to negotiate an acquisition agreement it does not bind the county to acquiring the systems but it does it does allow us the the freedom of movement if you will expenditure of time and funding to go ahead and negotiate these agreements because they are complex and there are a lot of moving parts and then in which case we would come back to the board with with the negotiated agreement we further ask that you direct staff to provide to do the necessary activities to implement a funding alternative again we are suggesting alternative number three however if alternative one or even two is the board's pleasure financially they are all the same to the utility it is just a matter of a policy decision on how that that allows us to take the necessary activities to adjust our rate resolution because then we would have to come back to the board with an amended rate resolution to account for these acquisitions and this could also include pursuing other avenues of funding such as talking with the state right yes those recommendations all would come with if we were able to give some additional supplemental funding from us whether it's a state appropriation or a state or federal grant that would reduce the impacts now the board would have to decide you say you want an alternative three whether that reduction goes that twenty five percent surcharge or where that reduction goes to the whole county rate payer because there are two separate issues Air Act but that would be a board decision when that that you don't you'll have to decide today you can decide that when that became available and when we were when we accepted that grant so but that would be a decision as to how do you apply those grants because if you don't go now if you go with alternative one obviously it's it's pretty clear there's only one rate payer but if you go with one of the other alternatives when we get those supplemental supplemental grants or funds the board would then need to decide how do we apply those do we apply that to the county base or do we apply that to the specific system so but that's not a decision you have to make today okay mr. chairman so you need my one motion or two so I start with one the county attorney but I mean obviously you could if you want to approve the resolution of intent and then direct staff and the motion contingent on I'm gonna make a motion to approve the resolution of intent to acquire the Pasco aqua in fifth fiscal year 20 in the Linux system in fiscal year twenty one second yeah I got a motion or a second microphone going back to the statement that Mike made if we are able to get an appropriation we come back and aside how that would be used so

we have one we're looking at in 2020 we're looking at one and twenty one should we not separate this resolution and separate them out because what if we were to get in enough funding to four and then just doing this out there an entire acquisition for sale injured hey so let's do the first step in the mobilize our next III I'm following you okay I'm just trying to see if it's smart to make them one resolution or not I understand Joe the person come back that's 2021 and it's all the same in terms of how we would pull pull those out so I mean I mean yes that obviously can be drafted we would you know right now our approach is to negotiate with the FGA there's a lot of common contracts the other thing is to provide some level of certainty for the FG you as well currently and I do sit on the FQ a board there is a tremendous amount of rate pressure and so as we as we look at these different things we are deferring certain activities to try to keep rates level again that's that's not a problem that is that is our job and we so it would be okay if we did pass them all in one motion and I'm vendrick in another motion I'd rather keep both together me too I'd only change them but we need to do both of these little too many too many good reasons why I'm talking about doing just separate into motion but both of them going through so we but we would want to do two resolutions one resolution for aqua and then one resolution for Linn Dre I mean I don't do with the other systems right I don't want to separate them out because what if one's lucky and the other one isn't and then that's I think it's better to put them in the same boat together we have a bigger number and shows more need good comment so I think that's bad yeah I mean I think the mechanics and I can't speak for the county attorney but the mechanics are all the same we we can create two resolutions and but also that any resolution can be amended in the future so if I find that it's causing you a funding constraint to keep them together you can always amend your resolution and separate them out okay mister well just a quick question where's new Peretti in on this I know Newport she provides water I believe to one of these systems writing resolutions well are they in and I know I meant we mentioned it briefly to the city manager but are as their board been briefed kind of like what they should be our plans are yes sir I've been in New Port Richey city council and they when they discussed when they discussed this issue essentially we we did look to the city of new port richey perhaps as an alternative to acquiring the Linux system specifically the sewer goes to the plant and we we do own capacity in that plant however the finance is given the rate base of new port richey it just doesn't work for the city they they cannot afford to take on the debt they do understand that there will be there's currently the fgo is assessed a surcharge of 25 percent for sewer that

goes to the new bridge to the new port richey plant the county would of course claim its capacity so that that would go away so new port richey does my understanding discussions with with public work staff is that they they understand and they are fully aware of what what we are doing okay let me ask you how you obviously I'm fine with signing this resolution because we need to do something I've heard about this for quite frankly my whole life living on the west side of the county but what how long is it gonna take you to negotiate I mean I'm just I'm not so sure on the other side which one to go with and why we need to make a decision on that today we have talked over one we can make that decision in September if we needed to I'm just saying how long do you think by then we would know with the state if we can get any funding I personally to be honest with you I'd love to see us absorb yeah I've already told you that in our one and a half and three and a half percent I might be willing to move that one and a half to two for a year absorb but I know you talked about I don't think it's gonna affect bond readings I know it's gonna affect capital projects but I wouldn't mind seeing specifically and showing this board what it would delay for a year to absorb these folks and have them absorbed in the rate increase we're already given because it's a big height but again we need to do something these folks I understand what they're going through so what what time frames are going to take you to negotiate with after so in my conversations and I do have Steve Spratt who's the general manager for government services who executes on on fqa SP half the typically Steve Collier was about a negotiation so there was a recent movement down in Collier County which was approximately six months we would want to target that now I would like to get direction from the board on an alternative because if we do take a system on in fiscal year twenty and we have not appropriately budgeted for it there are rate impacts there's noticing requirements there there are a lot of financial issues that we would really like to understand what the board's intent is obviously the board can do what it pleases but from our perspective we do need that time to put together the the rate models it sounds like you'd have it done by August I don't give us a couple months I'm just I'm just asking yeah I don't know worst case scenario I would kind of like to know what the number is why so why it the worst case but how much less is it sure thing the reason we're asking direction on the three alternatives today is because we're right in the middle of the budget process and we need to build a budget for you to review and approve in October in August and September prior to October 1 if between now and August the financial situation changes where this number can be lowered we can bring that forward as part of the budget process but right now we're looking kind of in a worst-case scenario

on the three alternatives if you if you said just wait till October or August to bring it to us well we don't know how to build a budget way and we need that direction today because we're working on it Mike was in budget meetings all last week so we're working on the budget right now if if we happen to get an appropriation or something that makes this less than what we're talking about today that we will bring to the board as part of the budget process and you will see that be able to approve as part of that I will say back to your concern about just absorbing it the the challenged areas the debt coverage ratios and it's a pretty significant hit with respect to our bond rating if we just tried to absorb them at the one and a half and three and a half that's the challenge areas that it's a debt coverage ratio which which means that we end up paying higher interest rates and so everybody ends up paying on the back end so no I don't want to change our bond rate it's a challenge but I'm just throwing it out there residents already paying 5% more it's just my two cents worth but I'm chimeric the resolution we need to move forward with something we're doing something that's for him for starting I'm wondering if we if we start with a purchase plus a surcharge and then we are successful in getting appropriations I'm wondering if we don't have a better argument with those surcharges there and then and then the Appropriations go straight to the surcharge and lowers that or gets rid of it good I'm just wondering politically mister stronger you know it's a difficult thing to look at this whole picture about what to do but it's it's clear the right thing to do I will tell you that I know representative Mariana wants to see this done I will tell you that Senator Lott ballot is actually his staff is the person who came up with the idea well I'm gonna say a lot Vala first because when we had a storm out at Jasmine lakes and palm terrace when the water was flooding over and sewer waters in the streets and going the storm drains they come up with the idea in conversation though the three of us to do the state revolving fund senator Hooper went up and down the coast looking all these flooded areas etc in these water situations fully fully versed in this whole thing I don't think I think both of them will go forward and I know senator Simpson will definitely help out and with this power position I think now's the time to pass this now is the time to go ask for the money even if it's for the next year's appropriation whatever maybe when you're gonna need it I think you're going to get it but it gives you a chance to go and I don't think it's a negotiation with fgy I think it's more of a coordination because there's not a single system that FG weighs ever had that the county government wanted it back didn't get it back so it's really coordination the numbers of the numbers you're working it out in Mike I want to commend you again you've done a phenomenal job bringing this thing forward when it was so hard

to get here so getting us at the stage you've done a tremendous job you old staff the old team County Administrator mr. biles tremendous to get it to this point so I'd like to call the motion keeping them right together Mike and also like you'd come up with some number that would be right for maybe in come up with it for what we asked for in a grant or appropriations that that would help us the you know the most and then we'll I ask and we'll do our best well the same team that's sitting right here that put this whole deal together will will definitely take a look at the surface you can give us that number then I'll go for houses enter Sampson and try to get so that a direct I get your number there'll be a I mean we'll give you a number the local number but if I mean if the numbers I'm gonna make up a number if the number is twenty five and we get three it still helps right yeah and it helps greatly if we say we're also matching it I mean it gets it past the governor I think to know that we're paying as well and so if you do alternative three the ken the whole rate payers are putting in one percent to do it and I lost a minute so let's let's just see what we get this year next year our I think our two most two very powerful years so we should go each year and try for something but not letting it stop here today all right I've got a motion in a second on the floor to approve the resolution of intent for Pasco aqua and Lynn Drake all those in favor say aye aye aye all those opposed like that motion pass on that funding alternative so that we know how to again that's more a budgeting exercise and you know how to budget and if that the environment changes between now and when we bring you a budget August and September will adjust for that if we get an appropriations runner they don't change that right recognize us and well let it go toward that debt which will may be enough that will help defer some of that so or make it lower to where it's not correct but on the alternative side looking at what what will we be doing with our upcoming rate resolution as well as our Billy and there's a number of mechanical things that have to happen so at least understanding what the board's desire in that direction is very important for the team right now mr. chairman yes you know looking at what this will do to property values in these areas as well as the overall county looking at we are taking care of our water situations coming forward I mean there was the properties in the Jasmine palm Terrace area that was being sold as low as $16,000 the rate is going up higher and flooded as much but I think even better when people know that they're not gonna be paying a $250 water bill if the water in their lawn down to just normal rates I think it's gonna be a phenomenal boost for the sole area that this is a good place to live up and down I don't

think there's a more important redevelopment project we can look at is taking care of this right now that's going to benefit the entire county so with that I'm going to moved for approval of option 1 and you could even say up to 2% because I think we're going to get a federal state money with us I don't have a motion discussion thank you again Mike I think just reiterate one more time how the increase would work for the rest of the citizens of Pasco County certainly so if we move forward as presented in fiscal year twenty we would have a rate resolution that would raise water rates if we did alternative one as I suggested water rates would go up by three and a half percent would be the adopted rate resolution 425 and a half percent over over existing rates in fiscal year twenty in fiscal year twenty one we would again probably not present to the board a rate increase of three and a half percent for water and five and a half percent for sewer in fiscal year twenty one for fiscal year twenty two we would propose a rate increase up one and a half percent for water and three and a half percent for sewer based on our current does this accumulators that just that rate increase for that it's actually the same it would that would be an increase over whatever the rate is so right so if we raise rates that percentage now applies to the new to the new baseline tonight correct generate it's the dollar amount you expect to generate for the two percent increase on water and a two percent increase on school I will ask Jeff Dykstra if you could kind of speak to once you come up off yeah yeah he's asking what what is the 2% generate in terms of additional revenue on the individual perspective the chart up there shows that the 2% for the average Pasco County customer be at about 53 and 20 and would go up to 310 and that's a per thousand 21 that's per six thousand dollars each three cent yes sir correct basically yeah so so your average not very yeah no that's not very much so your average if you go the next chart would go from seventy three dollars and 18 cents to seventy six more or less seventy six eighteen more or less would be your increase without alternative one alternative to it's basically there's a loser in half I understand that we all do now but I think it's important what are you gonna generate what revenue we're gonna generate from that two cents into sense that you're making you're making an acquisition right so you have you're trying to generate revenue to make that acquisition so how much money yep is that going to generate and and that money goes toward the let's get the number here yeah he sees okay we've run those numbers he's just he's just pulling up the exact what is that what does that do whatever that number is it go toward the debt well essentially when that is is that is that is blended into our operational models so some of it goes to maintain debt service some of that goes to pay operations and maintenance expenses others go into renewal replacement it's basically

blended in okay the limiting factor is is a debt coverage ratio that's your limiting factor is your debt to revenue ratio mm-hmm okay Jeff Dykstra was Stantec two percent of your revenue is about your revenues for water and sewer about 120 million so I'm two percent of that is you know 2.2 2.25 million dollars so it's about equal a sewer that's overall water and sewer no yeah that's overall no a 2% increase on water and two percent increase on sewers overall 2% increase and so it would be about 2.25 million dollars so if we've got assume the sorry and we assume the acquisition to assume the debt correct we would assume the debt and how much is that the dead approximately on the Pasco aqua system is approximately eighteen million dollars the Lindh ryx system the current debt is approximately twenty five million probably just a little under that the operational cost the issue is that debt coverage ratio to maintain our credit rating so that our cost of debt doesn't increase on us in the out-years when we go the bond market again so that's that's that's that's the limiting factor it's that debt coverage ratio is the limiting factor in this in this model it means about 43 million yes mr. throw some capital numbers at youtube' Mariana are you saying if we do County full absortion we will not but that the debt code whatever that ratio is gets out of whack we would have to do the 2% 2% increase in order to maintain those coverage ratios make debt service payments if you just stayed with your current rate resolution the y and a half and three and a half yes ma'am they they get out of whack and we stand the risk of our debt credit rating going down which increases the cost of capital and when we and we have major capital needs up coming in the system as it exists so let me try something else what if the surcharge number is a little different what I mean what led you to pick 25% what if it's 12.5% Oh so 25% is kind of a historical norm if you look kind of industry industry-wide we did look at some numbers Justin do you have kind of a range increase for me on in terms of if we did half of that I can't remember if it was one for one or what the ratio was I'm up here mister he's got to come to the podium while he's on his way mr. chairman just a point they talk about the traditional thing the norm that's done Hillsboro did it as I mentioned earlier they took all the utilities they had to raise rates to go do it even with the increase that we're seeing right here for the next two to two to four years I believe we're still going to be very close to that rate that hills rose even at so they made this move all the way through we just haven't got there yet okay raise your question right now at for aqua at a twenty five percent clip that's about half a billion dollars that that generates so if you cut that in half at twelve and a half percent to be about two things it's 500 one something for nothing so if we were to reduce the surcharge we would need to

increase the rate assessment it would be less I'm not sure what that ratio is but yes it would be less or it would be anymore if you it would be a higher rate if you were to cut the surcharge if you were to increase the surcharge it would be we could reduce the rate impact on on PCU existing customers although I don't believe that those numbers are very sensitive in terms of like a one-for-one so if you doubled the surcharge would you get about half the increases that well we're not doubling surcharge I don't think yeah we looked at trying to get this through so that's why I'm suggesting we half the surcharge so it's a little of this and a little of that and go for an appropriation to try and wipe out those surcharges yeah we looked at a B we can get that through we looked at a fifty percent surcharge as an example just to play with some of the sensitivities and that would lower the overall increase down to about half a percent so if you lowered the surcharge you need to go the other way a little bit so a little bit more than one percent the system increased probably I'm just without running the numbers probably about a quarter one and a quarter percent somewhere in that ballpark Mariana you didn't get a second so maybe no most on the floor I don't know if he fully answered the question what about extending the term though he said when you would be lowered half and then extended to 10 to 20 that's well what could you do that or not well we could however we find that industry-wide that folks move they come into neighborhoods out of neighborhoods and a 10-year term is about as good as you can get for a recency effect and focuses memory so as to why they're paying this additional surcharge so that's why we would suggest just limiting it to at at that ten years that generates revenue that that allows us to put into our operation pay off debt of course if the board wants to make that a five year wants to make it a fifteen year those are scenarios that we certainly can come back with so if the board pleases if it's the pleasure of the board to look at a surcharge model we can certainly look at other alternatives however we find that the 25% ten-year is is pretty is a is a is a consistent in Louisville way and we can tweak it but bear in mind that you know the one percent that's associated with that would would move either up or down mr. chairman just yes and Mike I will assume there's more capital costs that will be involved with this project in addition to obviously the acquisition portion so what do we estimate those cost of so so approximately and we would look at it an aggressive and and the rate increases that we proposed include accounting for that that capital but we're looking at about nine billion dollars per system over over a five to ten year period that's 25 actually 34 correct yep so well into us if you're looking at a total number to ask if you said per system per system yeah approximately nine there are there are some additional ones so for example in the Pascal aqua system we would we

would want to go ahead and upfront switch those wastewater plants offline move them to our system demolish them that you know that's that's a two to four million dollar project those those are those assumptions are built into these rate increases so we've built that in but if we were to go seek state funding or additional funding we would look at the debt plus capital for this this projects probably would not be able to be done in-house I would assume most of that would have to be contracted out we it's currently correct so part of well know we could mining maintenance the maintenance you know the mechanics of the maintenance we would part of that rate increase also looks at additions and staff that we would have to do in order to provide maintenance engineering services so those those numbers all compiled into a fund if you will that we would utilize to pay debt maintain and manage our operational costs those those those are all factored into that into that number so my this my opinion obviously it's up to the entire board passed a resolution obviously letting citizens know letting letting fqa know you're moving forward I don't think this section is really ready for primetime I would agree with Commissioner Wells statement I think we need to bring that portion back because there's we're we're bringing other things to the table now we can sit here I go back we can discuss it for three more hours but I think at the same time if you listen to us and bring in and take what we fed you come back to us in certainly other scenarios too if we do get appropriations we talked about coming back later but why don't we have that included in the scenarios to might do that or that create a issue got time well you know I mean I certainly we certainly can go back and crunch scenarios and come back to the board as quickly as possible to to run through those you know if if we know with certainty that the board intends to acquire in fiscal year twenty the Aqua system for example we know that whatever the source of that revenue is going to be a be at a surcharge be it state funds you know I don't know the mechanics of the budgeting of it but we can we can definitely plan for that however you know we can put that probably together a pretty short order I don't know about next board meeting but but probably within within a month we can come back with additional alternatives vetted a little bit more in terms of how we look at that but you know we will need some clear direction when it when it comes to how do we get our rate our next rate resolution put together because fiscal year 20 the implicit assumption is that we are generating revenue in fiscal year 2000 rights and so that takes time we have to advertise that to our customers there are a number of steps that have to take place so again we can crunch scenarios rather quickly and present that to the board but it can't hear you I need to come back to this side too because obviously it's where the systems are located so well I

wouldn't be able to happen to date say they would have to happen in the new port richey mr. miles like I mean I don't know what the pleasure the board is but I didn't hear emotional an alternative number one and I'm trying to limit the number of scenarios that we asked the financial team to look at because you know there's there's an infinite number of different possibilities we can look at and I'm trying to limit that to the ones that are more probable which is where we came up with these three or three and a half if you will different alternatives you know we can go back and look at them but I'd rather I'd like you to at least dial in and look at Spanx on one of these and then look at how different things impact that one so if the board would go with say alternative number three that we recommend and say okay go back and look at different alternatives with respect to surcharge has that impact the rate what different types of appropriations would impact the rates how would we apply it we can do that within the confines of that one alternative and parallel that we can all show you it doesn't impact the budget building process right and we can do that and we can come back to the board in 12 in four weeks it's a second meeting and the 26th of March and walk you through that I'm just the more alternatives you give us the harder it is to go back and come back to something that you look at it so I'd like it constrained a certain extent thank you I want to try to read I'm going to reek of restate my motion and where I'm going with it from the extra questions that just were out 2.25 millions the number we need to kind of keep the rates pretty level the next appropriation that would be that would be an annual that's what those rates generate based on you know so that 2 percent whatever revenue that generates that is what we need on an ongoing annual basis in order to keep that so a one-time shot and the arm doesn't really do much for you unless it to really take out for example the massive the you know the debt or the capital component or something that that those are the things that that we can work with there all right now the state revolving fund that the aqua system qualifies for it takes a rate down of is it five percent down a like point zero five percent well so so we are we are in the middle of having those discussions with the state the the state revolving fund in and of itself is is a great idea there may be some terms that the county may want to discuss further with the state that's already cooked into the numbers so whether whether the financing mechanism is a state revolving fund or a bank loan or another bomb it really isn't material with those percentages because now we're looking at the whole so it benefits Pasco County if you will on that so what I'm saying is we can go for a certain dollar figure so maybe the number we're gonna go for is gonna be ten million dollars maybe it's twenty million dollars whatever that number is we can talk with Senator Hooper represented Mariano find it what's the

best way to go what they think I can't go through Mariano cuz the house has already deadline I'm just saying as far as to what they feel comfortable with she's been working on this thing for the from that through but yeah it's got to go Senate no question about it try to work that number and then from there you know I think if we're gonna focus on something the words I think in option one the county increases the county my water rate by up to that gives us all the flexibility get that number down you'll come back to us maybe it's after the session maybe an afternoon appropriation then we can hammer out what that number is going to be and then we kind of figure out what we want to do from there but at least you get something to go work on you get something for this for the senator who / - go work on that we can go shoot for that number and then from there it can come back to us for a final approval but at least we can put the hammer down and say here's what we're trying to do is we want to go do Hillsborough County did it we want the help the ability to apparatus citizens alternative number one is simply a zero percent surcharge it's really what it is and and so and so really what what we're talking about here is it does does the board want staff to consider a different surcharge or do we need to look at as you're saying look at alternative one we're going to take the surcharge off the table and we look at that you know we can we can come up with various scenarios it's just simply a an income line right if we get 10 million 15 million 43 million whatever the number is that will that will change what those what those percentages are so I think what we would like to know just is do we need to be looking at a range of surcharges or should we be focused namely on perhaps getting some additional funding whatever the source may be or both I mean and bring that back I mean we can we can look at that combination in alternative 3 as well but again the more permutation is the more complex the array of solutions and recommendations will be Mike we're all in agreement we're gonna do something to help these residents period I mean something's gonna be done with you see if you're not the number what it is and it's important but we've all agreed that we something will be done starting in 2020 we just gotta firm what that is and again I just I have some answers we want to do it's fair for everyone and I'm not at this point I don't know exactly what that is but I'm willing to do whatever we need to do to make this happen to give the residents relief I just don't know what it is today but if we give you a direction say on number one and then you look at those snares and come back to us we also have time that we can be working ourselves on looking at those just a little more time that's correct to give you that exact direction we need to go and and keeping it rates lower for all our citizens and past was very important and these are large debts but

we're getting them out of an issue that's been put on them for many years and we need to be doing that so I'm gonna restate my motion to be clear I'm gonna go back to looking for approval for option 1 with the county increasing the countywide water rate by up to 2 percent whereby we're also going to be looking for state legislature help to keep that number as low as possible [Applause] I won't do that verse thank you goes a second is there a second to up to with no surcharge to be clear you saying okay all right I have a motion in a second those are all those in favor say aye aye aye all opposed like sign motion passed thank you [Applause] it's the whole board [Music] mr. chair yes we have a development services presentation if you we can do it now or if you'd prefer we can do it after the public hearings this afternoon it means it's 10:00 to noon so it's kind of up to you it's going to take a while to clear the room that's all I'm saying I've already told him that - hold on just a second Don Rosenthal assistant county administrator development services we're going to be looking at our facts today for you to talk about how we've progress and addressing some of the concerns that you've had over time beginning with our project pipeline we're not going to read the slides but we are going to do is highlight pertinent points that are relevant to our progress our project pipeline you were able to look at this pipeline by address by several other measures but what you weren't able to look at it by was was project name so we were able to to look at that by project name now staff was able to put their heads together and figure out how to make that happen our customer service feedback the highlight on this slide is that 97% of our customers would gave us compliments as far as 96% overall level of service said to our overall level service was excellent this slide shows that the residential single-family residential is climbing and it's not something I have to tell anybody but it's climbing considerably when you compare January to January 18 to 19 same thing but a slightly less rate for the commercial new construction showing that is significantly higher building construction services showing that the total permits have increased significantly 90 percent year-over-year 17 to 18 total value of permits have increased for 1.7 billion to 1.8 billion three point seven percent increase year-over-year 17 to 18 our calls for service have went up as new people move into the community level of services have been requested to increase we have more actual service calls but the good news about that is that our compliance rates also climbing we went from 83 to 87 percent and compliance that's initial compliance one of the efforts being done by the code enforcement team is their sweep efforts

of course you can see from our previous slide that those numbers would be up and they are back to where you need to be reckless dumb this is our media and communications to show that if we had to pay for - me and every receivable it cost us over a hundred thousand dollars and then we reached over million people the site talks about our media stories via inquiries and our news releases and that's it I'm ready to answer any questions you might have is that code enforcement on Acela code enforcement out on a seller yet we're working there they're in Phase two we're working on phase two like now so when will they be operational and that's the same question commissioner wells asked me some time ago can I get a definitive more definitive answer well the problem with that the problem with technical things is that is that the the more the most definitive you can get is to work on as best you can we have people that still have a guide on a seller and we've been on a few years now so what's what is holding them up we'll get you the scheduling date that would be great okay that was my answer that was my question too but she beat me to it but I mean I tell ya I'm not on Facebook but I am on Instagram I love the post of all you guys doing your little ride alongs code-enforcement talking to everyone exactly what they're doing out there I think it's great that folks are seeing it from a us not being so reactive or out there being proactive talking to the folks you know we have the Moon Lake clean up this weekend I know you know they Code had gone out there and actually let folks know where they had stuff in the yard hey by the way you can get rid of this weekend just letting you know because if not we'll be back next week you know the site Jen so it's been good to see the team and I can tell you you can just feel the difference with them being in their office and just how much they love what they do being out there and getting to know these residents and being proactive not always going out there and just hitting everybody over the head so thank you thank you okay John I wanna say I think the code enforcement team especially up in my district I don't want a phenomenal job there was one really troubled area right off us 19 they went in in in the past six months you've taken down two homes cleaned up I think every house except for one and they're in a really troubled area so I know you're continually working and getting it better and Michael and his whole team is doing a heck of a job so I want to thank you for that that's actually teamwork between code enforcement and building yeah yeah now you guys doing a great job you're doing a great job your home team is and working with code enforcement and areas on my district I know you're working together and getting things done and I appreciate everything you do in your team I mean DOM is in building and code don't don't forget their attorneys almost plays a significant role in that as well they've stepped up and done an

outstanding job helping actually groups got to their job Horseman and in Don's group and attorney's office all working together I was an issue over there well that was the whole purpose of that demolition group and they're interacting to all the stuff that we do with the demolitions right so we appreciate all of you and and I would encourage any any of you to drive flormar south to the county line and look how that area is really getting cleaned up the signs the old decrepit signs are coming down our last victory our most recent victory was the old big square ice-cold air sign is gone and I'm hoping soon their last gone the last yeah the last sign at Holiday Square we're hoping it's going to come down that's a big rusty EPS been empty for the last ten years and unless some others that are on the ticking clock so the crime is down in that area the the solicitation is down and it's looking much better in southwest Pasco County so people can really see difference and feel a difference so thank you very much and I want to include not the sheriff's office also working with us for example we I turned into yeah I turned in some violations on the weekend on my way to the holiday holiday little league ceremony and we don't we didn't have code enforcement out so the sheriff went got the cars off the right away and stopped the paint one panhandler that was there at Aldi so I go through there a lot just to make sure the panhandling has really stopped and that's the first one I've seen in months so really it's exciting to see the cleanup really occurring thank you so that we can adjourn what you wondering oh you don't do your I mean Oh business wing do-overs go ahead give it that yeah Commissioner more good hey just one thing real quick and you're probably heard about it we have some businesses mostly my district and commissioner storage district that have been building eight and a half percent under sales tax thinking that they're in Hillsborough County had a conversation with Dan a few times County Attorney's Office even even this weekend had a couple conversations about it so multiple businesses when I first heard about it by the month ago there was one business at the shops of Wiregrass I like Greg know he sent out notices to everybody they're cleaning it up pretty quick heard of what's happening at the mall let them know supposedly they've put messages out to other people to sierra's properties are juniors letting all of them know customers yeah now they were getting letters from the park from one second-year Department of Revenue yeah revenue that's Jim's English sing gail is the executive director for revenue so Fasano is actually see me a copy this morning he's sending letters out to the executive director reminding him in addition that he's sending letters to all the businesses and those zip codes that work do they think they're doing that because they're in the Hillsboro kennel because they named their business or their mall Tampa still trying to figure some of that out I do

not it well yeah and I brought that up to about especially the hotels because our two's development taxes in addition to the sales tax yeah right Mr mouse so first Department of Revenue Rheem its funds by address not by zip code so if a business collected different than the county's seven cent you know we would get it remitted by address they won't they don't remit that Hillsboro County if it's in Pasco County so that first off were good there you know we have to look at TC what's happened is cat the they will go in and look up their zip code you know show it's a Hillsborough zip code because on the US Postal Service cited those are Hillsborough zip codes even though they're both in Pasco and Hillsborough but if they go to a map and put in their address like our Haskell mapper it'll show obviously it's in Pasco County so some of the software that uses that the businesses use sometimes we'll just use a geolocation for the entire zip code they won't use it by specific address and so whatever that zip codes sales taxes that's what they're going to use so it's it's not hurting Pasco County's revenue from our penny what the key is the residents are paying more than should be paid so they where does that extra sales tax go does it go to Hillsboro to us well wait what it appears to is it the extra sales tax if it actually gets from into DoD our that's another question but if it gets from a to do our would actually come to us so because they will remit by address on the one it that anything in addition to the state portion right that gets distributed based on population so so there's still some questions out there but if a customer say they lease a vehicle and they they are in Pasco County but they leased it from a Hillsboro car dealership they need to check their lease payment to make sure they're not being charged Hillsboro sales tax they should be paid sales tax based on where they live same thing online purchases those people live in those zip codes Odessa lutes zip codes need to make sure that they're only being charged Pasco sales tax for online purchases that's the other thing that I'm seeing a lot of is the online purchases there's it charged at eight and a half percent not seven so that's a little harder to but that's a as a private transaction they gotta solve you know in as we know about it is the tax collector good knows about it he's noticing the businesses we've we've talked to the businesses they're correcting it it's a little hard on the online sales side but but you know we both the tax collector is working hard we're working it hard the department revenue has the right maps so if you happen to be the one that was in the paper this weekend and sending eight-and-a-half percent to the department revenue we're getting back based on the map that that sales tax so it's a so it's um also important for you know the businesses just think about this who who's get your permit through who'd you pay your impact fees

through not hard to figure out it's there on the map where the line is yeah yeah and then like you mentioned some of it's even it's not just in that area it's actually up all the way up into the Odessa area because right that shares a zip code to sorry I think it's getting cleared up but again therefore sometimes sending out a letter to the Department of four Department of Revenue to help clear that up on their side in additional letters in the business gives everything further a reminder that you are in Pasco County but if people got charged that they need to go back to the business cry and ask for the business to refund that one and a half percent correct whether it be fifty cents or you know $200 right to be right they should be obligated to return this one stone that's a private transaction they just saw that on the private transaction side they're not gonna be able to get reimbursed from the Department of Revenue right or from us because we're not gonna be able to have visibility on that that's all I have that's it all right mr. chairman before we close if I could I do a little introduction and Diana Jerome is out in the audience from mother pace Center for Girls she's the Community Engagement Manager we had a student come last week and this week Emily was here last last meeting we had as well but alexis is here general just kind of watch the government go so I think she gets to see a lot of good stuff today yeah and Emily's kind of Lee on the on the on deck circle and she'll be sitting up next meeting here as well okay but thank you very much for coming out I hope you had fun yeah I'd like to thank pace for the opportunity to be able to come today it was very cool I it was very nice to be able to sit up here and understand what you guys go through on a monthly basis and on a daily basis as well so um I'd like to think Jack Mariano for letting me come in also Mike well thank you yeah thank you for being here appreciate you coming too thank you alright at this time we will adjourn for lunch break come back here at 1:30 [Music]

good afternoon everyone I would like this time to call back to order of the Pasco County Board of County Commissioners meeting February 19th 2019 I would like to remind everyone to please silence all electronic devices at this time and we'll start with resolutions resolution 1r s 1 is there anyone here representing Animal Services or Clerk's for cure you could come forward to the podium please this is so nice that you did this thank you resolution number 1994 where as clerks for queue are incorporated as a nonprofit organization comprised of the deputy clerks who work it for the office of Paula s O'Neil Pasco County Clerk and controller and whereas a mission of clerks for cures to be a giving force in the community by offering fundraising support and raising awareness for their charitable partners as they provide hope to those in need throughout the community and whereas the deputy clerks of clerks for cure worked diligently through 2018 by contributing their efforts towards making a difference in being a giving force in the community and whereas collectively they organize an assortment of exciting fundraising events and activities including but not limited to raffles off-site bingo events an annual golf tournament local car shows and competition with live entertainment and whereas in 2018 clerks for a Cure raised a record thirty two thousand seven hundred twenty-six dollars and fourteen cents in funds through events activities donations and from support of their helping hand sponsors which they generously distributed to local organization such as the American Cancer Society the Thomas promise foundation Farm Workers self-help incorporated and Pasco County Animal Services now therefore be it resolved by the Board of County Commissioners of Pasco County Florida that said board hereby commends the Pasco County deputy clerks and the clerk's for cure Incorporated for their generous support to local organizations and for raising awareness of their charitable partners as they enrich the lives and provide hope to those in need throughout the community done in resolved in regular session with the quorum present and voting this 19th day of February 2019 signed by the board I have a motion a second all those in favor say aye aye motion passed welcome glad to see you folks who would like to speak for the group or each position hi good afternoon my name is Andrea Wainwright and last year was the co-chair for clerk's for the Cure and I work for the office of Paula so neil clerk and comptroller as an operation supervisor and I just wanted to thank everyone here in this room for the honor to be here today everyone throughout the community during this year and supporting us and giving their time and talent and their funds we couldn't do it without each and every one of you and it truly is your helping hands that make what we do possible so thank you very much thank you so you know we originally we started we had a lot of people with cancer in my office

who fought cancer and then at one point I was diagnosed with cancer so we started out raising funds for the American Cancer Society and then it was like well there's other things we care about so we do a survey every year to see what our teammates are interested in supporting and they said animals everybody loves animals so that's how Animal Services got involved yeah thank you would the board like join me and we'll take pictures [Music] the my easy time easy don't fall might be up here [Applause] resolution to Archie okay this one is recognizing Debra a Ashleigh if you could come forward to the podium please and any family members that you have [Applause] resolution number 1998 I don't know if I can do it like Linda Linda don't always say die die before you cry okay resolution 1998 whereas Debra a Ashley was hired August 28 2008 eek lurk for the clerk of Circuit Court and County controller after serving the citizens of Hillsborough County for the previous 12 years and whereas during her career with the clerk and controller miss Ashley served as human resources specialist interim director of human resources and assistant director of human resources and whereas Musashi was instrumental in implementing Neil guv our electronic applicant tracking system where since its inception in 2010 has accepted over 34,000 job applications resulting in 1814 for most of those new hires and whereas many of those applicants applied in response to the exposure miss Ashley provided to the organization by attending numerous job fairs and whereas miss Ashley was instrumental in assisting members of the community find employment through her involvement with connections job Development Corporation since 2009 and served as board chair from 2012 to 2016 and whereas miss Ashley facilitated the placement of over 100 volunteers with the clerk and controllers office and coordinated annual volunteer luncheons to celebrate the contributions of our office to our office and community and whereas miss Ashley's servant leadership actions provide a great example for others to follow she was always nearby when needed was the first to offer support for community events and supported her colleagues in good times and bad Debbie donated over 80 blood drives resulting in almost 1,800 units of blood helping to save sustain over 5,000 lives she donated almost 13 gallons herself she served as a campaign champion for United Way communicating all that the program offers for almost ten years and whereas miss Ashley created and maintained long-term relationships with teammates she was a great resource for teammates including maintaining greeting cards and a book on CD library and whereas miss Ashley's dedication and dependable dependability and the performance of her job duties make made her an asset to the office of the clerk

and controller and whereas during her more than 30 years as a public servant miss Ashley diligently and conscientiously served citizens and customers in her positions ensuring integrity while providing outstanding service and whereas a retirement miss Ashley plans to spend countless hours at the beach with her six grandchildren and as of March 2nd 2019 miss Ashley will retire from the office of the clerk and controller the Board of County Commissioners and the clerk and controller deamon appropriate to recognize her contributions to both the customers of the clerk and controllers office and the citizens of Pasco County now therefore be it resolved by the Board of County Commissioners Pasco County Florida and session duly assembled that said board hereby expresses its deepest appreciation through Deborah a Ashley for more than 18 years of service to the citizens of Pasco County Dunnan resolved in regular session with the quorum president and voting this 19th day of February 2019 signed by the board got a motion in a second all those in favor say aye I'm not sure but it seemed like the staying at the beach with grandchildren or something you just broke onto somebody today up there at the podium you didn't tell him about all that and [Laughter] I'm in much need thank you so much I really appreciate this and I couldn't do this with all that without all the help of my fellow thank you so so much thank you thank you oh no you're not going anywhere you're out there we're gonna come down and bring the resolution okay and we want one picture with the commissioners and then we want our fellow teammates to get behind us for a photo I know you seen these my head always policies always in the way you think although we got her flowers or something to come back up here what about it yeah about that way [Music] a couple little snippets yet oh she's still okay okay do we need a second got a motion second move approval welcome all those in favor say aye aye by title only resolution 19 105 a resolution by the Board of County Commissioners of Pasco County Florida expressing appreciation to Laura as Saslow deputy clerk for the office of the clerk and controller for her 32 years of outstanding service to Pasco County done in resolved in regular session with the quorum president voting this 19th day of February 2019 signed by the board a motion second all those in favor say aye now we will proceed with public hearings agenda starting with p1 ordinances madam clerk do we have proof don't be one we do proof of publication in the Tampa Bay Times December 21st 2018 good afternoon Mary Duke long-range planning I'm here for PDD 1902 7/8 a small-scale comprehensive plan amendment for ce pas [Music] 1901 Dixie Belle paint company this project is located off of Ridge Road at the intersection with Galen Wilson

Boulevard [Music] to the west of the property a Radcliffe condominiums to the to the north is the Galen Wilson complex to the east is the Duke Energy substation and to the south is the high ridge industrial park on the other side of vege Road this is a proposed small-scale comprehensive plan amendment from res 20 for residential 24 dwelling units per gross acre to calm commercial this is a 3.6 acre parcel and the property is zoned c2 general commercial district and the parcel has a conflict zoning the subject property is currently is vacant tree health a vacant retail warehouse the applicant is proposing to utilize the subject property for paint retail sales and bottling of non-toxic latex and chalk paints similar to paint mixing and bottling that you would find at a Lowe's or Home Depot this is an expedited review request from the Pasco Economic Development Council so this is a staff initiated comprehensive plan amendment on the inset on the existing teacher lanius map in the bottom left corner shows the existing flue is residential twenty-four dwelling units per gross acres the proposed future land use map is showing a proposed flue of calm commercial the surrounding future lane uses existing uses and zoning districts are to the north there's MF to multifamily high density district for zoning to the south is industrial light district and agricultural to the east is agricultural district and to the west is a multifamily high density district future land-use to the north is public semi public to the south is residential twenty-four dwelling units per gross acre and to the east is industrial light and to the west is residential twenty-four dwelling units per acre and I've are already gone over the existing uses when we were at the location map this is an aerial photograph of the site showing the condominiums to the west Duke Energy substation to the east the Galen Wilson complex to the north and the proposed site for the high ridge industrial park to the south the with regards to consistency with the Comprehensive Plan here's the definition of comm commercial the general range of potential uses and Comm includes commercial uses office uses hotels motels compatible light manufacturing processing processing and assembling of goods the proposed use of the subject parcel which is for mid-scene paint and bottling paint is consistent with the common feature land use classification [Music] the subject site is located within the embassy district of the West Market area and this project project is consistent with policy flew one point eight point seven for economic development transportation needs assessment was required which found a VC ratio a volume to capacity ratio on Ridge Road of 0.96 and a 1.07 ratio on little Road there was a negative impact to the level of service on a little road and on Ridge Road by the proposed amendment trips the existing doing daily volume of traffic

is expected increased by 190 p.m. peak hour trips on Ridge Road and 5:00 p.m. peak hour trips on little road from Ridge Road to send me quail drive and 57 p.m. peak hour trips from Ridge Road to citizens Drive on January 19th the local planning agency recommended approval of this small scale comprehensive plan amendment to the Board of County Commissioners and the recommendation is to adopt the proposed comprehensive plan amendment ce pas 1901 by roll call vote amending the future land use map of the proposed comprehensive plan amendment ce pas 1901 amending the future land use map 2-15 and sheet 10 from res 24 residential 24 dwelling units per gross acre tom commercial and authorized the chair and then to execute the originals of their provided and direct the board's record department to distribute a self set forth under the distribution section happy to answer any questions you might have this time I have no one signed up for this item on our signup sheet is there anyone in the audience willing to speak to p1 I got a motion a second roll call excuse me its roll call vote district 2 Commissioner Moore district 3 Commissioner Starkey district 4 Commissioner wells on district 5 Commissioner Mariano aye district 1 chairman Oakland all right thank you FASS thank you move on to p2 Tampa Bay Times January 11th 2019 good afternoon commissioners Denise Hernandez Planning and Development item P 2 is P 1904 99 and today is the adoption hearing on this item so I will read the ordinance by title and I will ask the board to accept public comment and adopt the proposed ordinance by roll call vote so today this is an ordinance by the Board of County Commissioners amending the Pasco County land development code chapter 900 development standards amending section 901 point 8 pedestrian facilities and creating new subsections 901 point six point eight point five standards for driveways for residential construction and 901 point six point eight point six standards for paver driveways and sidewalks for fighting for applicability repealer severability inclusion into the land development code and an effective date again I have a presentation I can bring to the board that same presentation that was done the last time this item what went to the local planning agency went to the horizontal roundtable and interested parties meeting on April 18 2018 and December 19 2018 and the local planning agency found it consistent with the Comprehensive Plan On January 24 2019 and recommended approval to the Board of County Commissioners I have no one signed up for this item on our signup sheet is there anyone in the audience that would like to come forward and speak to this item p2 second roll call vote district 2 Commissioner Moore district 3 Commissioner Starkey I district 4 our Commissioner Wells district 5 Commissioner Mariano I district 1 chairman Oakley I thank you thank you move forward to p3 do we have we do have proof in the Tampa Bay Times

November 30th 2018 and we have an affidavit of certified mailings on-site postings Mike you're not somehow I'm picking you up very well okay mr. chairman yes members of the Commission my name is Odie and I'm with long-range planning the matter before you is the adoption hearing for Cpl 1810 Cypress Creek Town Center it's a large-scale comprehensive plan amendment it's PDD 1906 1/5 and I'll read the ordinance in this point this is an ordinance amending the Pasco County Comprehensive Plan providing for a large-scale comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use maps mapped to 15 she 21 changing from RoR retail office residential to PD planned development on approximately four hundred and twenty seven point one acres of real property located generally along State Road 56 at the realigned intersection of State Road 54 adjacent to and west of i-75 and north of the Hillsborough County line and a text amendment amending the sub area policy flue 7.1.2 Cypress Creek town center providing for a repealer severability and an effective date the site characteristics this subject site is four hundred and twenty seven point one acres and it's located within the South Market area the comprehensive plan envisions the South Market area as an urban gateway opportunity area the policy states that the mission for the South Market area is to promote high density compact development multi-use developments and to maximize the transportation to excuse me it's mass to maximize the transportation opportunities to attract a broad spectrum of employers and businesses to the area to promote that high-growth and compact development and to encourage mixed-use developments which are living work project overview is this is a large-scale comprehensive plan amendment as I mentioned its proposal to amend the future land use map 25 future Lea Inc excuse me future land use map sheet 21 from our our retail office residential to PD plan development the proposed amendment to the sub area policy essentially reallocate certain of the entitlements as well as adding a congregate living facility a motel category 370 multiple family residential units and schools the land areas that are reflected in calm on the former boundaries are not going to be modified or affected the existing flow as you can see is the RoR it's in the upper left-hand corner yeah it's okay go ahead and continue proposed flu as you can see it's changed to PD the adjacent zoos and flus and zoning to the north south and east the zoning district is AC to the west is c1 neighborhood commercial c2 general commercial AC and M PUD and estate residential the future land uses to the north is a Reds three employment center to the south is conservation to the east is res 3 and to the West is PD a planned development R 3 and ro are the existing uses to the north is agricultural and undeveloped to the south is wetlands and undeveloped to the east it's i-75 and

conservation and to the west there's retail residential and conservation with respect to the consistency with the Comprehensive Plan per the Comprehensive Plan the intent of PD is to provide for a variety of land uses and intensities within a development site to preserve the conservation areas which are set out excuse me above and beyond those set out in land development code it's to reduce the public investment in the services to encourage flexible and in creative site designs and to provide sites for schools recreation and other public facilities the general uses in PD general range abuses are mixed-use developments residential developments with a range of unit types and densities non residential developments such as office commercial industrial hotel-motel congregate care facilities schools and attendant facilities in reviewing the sub area the proposed sub area policy the general range of uses are commercial and retail malls offices multiple family residential developments congregate care facilities hotels and motels and schools and therefore it appears to be consistent with the comprehensive plan a feasibility analysis was performed and emergency management had a initial concern about the residential nature of the congregate care facilities however planning and development consistently reviews those types of products as non-residential because of the stringent building codes that are required for that product that emergency management had no other comments a transportation needs assessment was performed in the site was deemed exempt so they proposed the proposed CPI L is consistent with the comprehensive plan and no further amendments are necessary in conjunction with this proposed amendment the county will be collecting and utilizing the impact fees and the event this amendment exceeds those costs it has the ability and will address any overages with impact fees had valorem taxes special assessments and other items that are provide for revenue to offset these growth the local planning agency and planning development have recommended approval d EO had no comment and the recommendation is to recommend approval and adoption of this ordinance by roll call vote and I apologize for my stuttering however I'll be delighted to answer any questions you may have okay I have no one signed up for this item is anyone from the outage gonna come forward and speak to p3 mr. Hoff mr. chairman Clark hobby hobby and hobby PA 109 North brush Street Tampa Florida you all trans voted to transmit this matter to De Oh about six weeks ago just wanted to thank your staff for your help because what you're doing today is setting up Cypress Creek town center for success over the next 15 20 years till its ultimate build-out and and the other agenda items that will be coming along assuming they're approved we'll get rid of the DRI regulation and this thing will be streamlined with county control only that will allow us to proceed to the what was phase to build out of the

entitlements so anyway appreciate your support happy to answer any questions thank you they all know it's Pasco County tax we have been well advised everyone else here to speak to this item CNN emotion is thanking all those well it's a roll call vote district to Commissioner Moore I district Trade Commissioner Starkey I district 4 Commissioner Wells I district 5 Commissioner Mariano I district 1 chairman Oakland I thank you motion passed move on to p4 we do have proof yes Tampa Bay Times November 16th 2018 good afternoon Viviana Martinez planning a development department item PDD 1905 to 6:00 is the adoption hearing for a County initiated large-scale comprehensive plan amendment in the name of C pal 1817 Vincent Academy I will begin by reading the ordinance in ordinance amending the Pasco County comprehensive plan future land use map map 2-15 and sheet for changing from IL industrial light to PSP publics in my public on 52.8 acres more or less of real property located at the northwest corner of Madison Denton Avenue providing for repeal or severability and effective date the project proposes to go from il industrial light district I mean future land use to PSP publics in my public future land use on approximately 58 point 2 acres it is currently located in Northwest Pasco County on the northwest corner of Denton Avenue and modest Road both County owned and county maintained roads some of those are out surrounding zoning districts include Ace agricultural and I won light industrial park district some of the future land uses include PSP IL and res six I'd also like to mention that just east of the subject properties is the mic Fasano regional hurricane shelter as well as a Florida Department of Health facility again the project proposes to go from IL to PSP and both properties are vacant and Pasco County owned the majority of the future land use is surrounding the properties our PSP rs3 res 6 and IL the two subject properties shown are the only County owned properties that are not currently PSP future land use designation the end goal is to change the future land use to PSP in order to ret match the rest of the county under properties that are in that area under that designation as shown in this map this slide goes over the intent of changing the land use to PSP which I already mentioned in addition there's also a rezoning amendment petition 7 3 5 3 that will allow for an educational facility on a 10 acre portion of the property there was no transportation needs assessment needed because the land-use change did not result in a more than 50 peak hour trips and with that staff recommends approval and adoption of the ordinance by roll call vote any question I have no one signed up for this item is there anyone in the audience would like to come forward to speak to this item before seeing no one move approval thank you okay its roll call vote district 2 Commissioner Moore aye

district 3 Commissioner Starkey I district 4 Commissioner wells district 5 Commissioner Mariano I district 1 chairman Oakland I thank you motion passed P 5 I have a continuance we do have proof though Tampa Bay Times November 16 2018 they're just like me to read the rezoning procedures rezoning procedures yes there are two rezoning agendas regular and consent the staff will present each application to the Board of County Commissioners the staff our Planning Commission has recommended approval and there's no opposition the application will be considered by the board without further presentation if the staff or Planning Commission has recommended denial if there's opposition to the application the applicant will be given five minutes representation the opposition will be given three minutes for each individual or five minutes for a group representative and the applicant will be given three minutes for rebuttal any individuals disagreeing with the staff or Planning Commission recommendation or anyone wishing to object to any condition of the rezoning made this time request that a petition be pulled from the consent agenda in which case that application will be heard under the regular agenda later on and the meeting otherwise all rezoning applications on the consent agenda will be approved by a single motion and vote if you wish to speak to any petition please give your name and address and whether or not you've been sworn for the record these are quasi-judicial public hearings the law in Florida is the mere public supporter opposition of an application has insufficient for this board to take action please limit your comments to those criteria found within the board land of element code if anyone wants to speak if you could stand up I will swear you in okay if you could raise your right hand do you swear or affirm the testimony you are about to give us a truth so help you God thank you we move to P six second motion a second look do you want me to read the what p5 is yeah so item p5 is a zoning amendment with the request for continuance for Pasco County facilities management department Vincent Academy change in zoning from RMH mobile home district to a our agricultural residential district this is a continuance to the April 9 2019 PCC meeting at 1:30 p.m. in Dade City and for the record Nektarios PTO's with planning a development would you continue time certain okay I had a motion second this is all those those in favor say aye motion passed okay move on to p6 we do have proof of publication Tampa Bay Times November 30th 2018 and affidavit of certified mailings and site postings in the name of Cypress Creek town center and PUD master plan Union development by Pasco Pasco 54 Limited Pasco Ranch ink and JG Cypress Creek LLC it's a rezoning request from MPD master planning a development between MPD master plan unit development a substantial modification to allow an increase in retail

commercial square footage a decrease in hotel rooms and an increase in multifamily units on approximately four hundred ninety acres located on the northwest and southwest quadrants of State Road 56 and i-75 this comes with approvals from the LPA or the Planning Commission and the Planning Department with conditions okay I have no one signed up to speak on this item is there anyone in the audience would like to speak on this item now mr. chairman this is on consent if I could go through all the consent okay P 7 is Tampa Bay Times January 25th 2019 same date for p8 and p9 p10 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times January 11th 2019 P 11 we have an affidavit of certified mailings P 12 was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times February 2nd 2019 and we have affidavit of certified mailings and site postings so that clears consent Thank You Adam to consent go to P 7 P 7 is a zoning amendment to the name of MA and Sons incorporated change in zoning from a our agricultural residential and C 2 general commercial districts to AC 2 general commercial district in West Central Pasco County on the north side of 0:52 approximately 20 50 feet last of Lakewood Drive and extending northerly to Pony Lane containing about 1.1 a KERS recommendation is to is anyone here to speak to p7 and no one move it to consent go to p8 idempiere zoning amendment Valdes family properties LLC it's a change in zoning from our four high density residential and seawall neighborhood commercial districts to AC to general commercial district in southwest Basque economy on the south side of Darlington Road approximately 450 400 feet east of us 19 containing about 4.25 acres it comes with a recommendation from approval and also we've provided in an ex parte - closure forum from Commissioner Starkey so there's anyone here to speak to p8 I have no one signed up so we move for p9 item p9 is a zoning amendment in the name of Andrea and Christopher Clark jr. change in zoning from an AC agricultural district we nee our agricultural residential district in South Central Pasco County located approximately 120 feet south of Tower Road and approximately 1,100 feet east of have lock drive containing about five acres with the recommendation for approval anyone ever speak to p9 do you know one we move that to consent BTN at a p10 is a zoning amendment titled Connerton village - and PUD master plan unit development Connerton village - MP UD a rezoning request from an MP UD master planning development to a master plan unit development in order to extend the expiration date and approximately 940 9.3 acres located approximately 1/2 mile east of the intersection of Land O Lakes Boulevard and Connerton Boulevard and Land O'Lakes Boulevard and Pleasant Plains Parkway this comes with approval with conditions in one area just big feet in I have no one signed up be 11 an MP 11 is a school development plan consistency project in the name of Cypress Creek Middle School project number PSP 1806 - district school board of Pasco County a

request this is a request for approval of a preliminary construction site plan and stormwater management plan and report for a one hundred eighty eight thousand nine hundred thirty square-foot middle school in approximately 32 and 1/3 acres located in Central Pasco County on the west side of old Pasco road approximately 4,200 feet north of overpass Road this comes with approval from this condition ok have no one signed up for p11 is there anyone audiences would like to speak to peel out if not move to consent to be 12 item p12 is a development of original impact DRI rescission for the town the Cypress Creek town centre dr i Pasco 50 by Pasco 54 limited Pasco ranch Inc and past and JD Cypress Creek LLC resolution it's a resolution rescinding the development order of the Cypress Creek town center dri number 252 which was last amended and restated by resolution 15 - 36 and providing for an effective date this comes with a recommendation to approve I have no one signed up for P 12 does anyone in the audience for life speak to be 12 seeing none pleasure the board for all the consent was there a piece of property that I can't write what's one of this now that it's gonna have the orange belt trail being affected by it on it I believe it's south of 52 I don't know which one it was which one was that I might have pulled it out of my book already that's not on this agenda it's not really with consent agenda okay and emotion is egging the fruit consent agenda all those favor say aye all right okay thank you pass we move on to regular item P 13 we do have proof Tampa Bay Times January 25th 2019 Erica wetlands Planning and Development I will be speaking on items P 13 and P 14 together as one is a waiver request and the other one is a conditioning use for alcohol so it's just easier to present together for P 14 it was advertising the Tampa Bay Times January 25th 2019 thank you item 13 is a waiver request PDD 19047 to an item P 14 is a conditional use application for the sale of alcohol beverages to Co P and C and B P fear one and only on-premises consumption in conjunction with the operation of a brewery a tap in the tasting room with outside services of alcoholic beverages on abortion and the patio in a c2 general commercial district the applicant is requesting a waiver in accordance with LDC section 402 point 3f point nine for the sale of alcoholic beverages because it churches located within thousand feet of the property this Arctic property is located in west-central Pasco County and the sector property is located on the south side of tower road tower drive approximately 750 wheat feet west of us highway 19 the sector property is predominantly surrounded by seats used in our commercial to the north and east are four to the south and c3 to the west there is a RoR retail office residential to the north and east and west and res nine to the south here is an aerial view

of the subject site it's about six hundred feet north of the subject site scuba diving establishment is located to the east and also there's a scuba diving shop to the north and a stucco and stone specialist to the west site access is from Tower Drive a two-lane local roadway and here is a concept plan that was submitted with the application input that planning and development is recommending approval on the waiver request and approval with conditions on the conditional use request and I'm here if you have any questions thank you I have one question okay and your findings of fact here it says that in 1978 the Clark and controller approved the sale of alcoholic beverages at skinny's Bar and Grill yes so did you guys catch that in the history then used to be the clerk and comptroller that approved controller at that time that's kind of wild he's still there Inez Hernandez planning and development that's correct in the early to late 70s the clerk and comptroller approved and signed off and we can show you copies of it they're pretty cool historical documents we're under the authority of the clerk and comptroller I have two people signed up for this item so we do have Tim Foley and Suzanne bution if you could line up and speak you have three minutes thank you good afternoon my name is timothy foley of it's craft life Brewing Company located my home address is 1 7 2 3 6 month party drive Spring Hill Florida we are here to request a distance waiver and conditionally used to expand our business to the west side of Pasco County as an extension of our successful business in Central Pasco specifically Land O'Lakes craft life brewing was the first brewery opened in Land O'Lakes and has served as a community of for craft beer live music and support for local causes for almost 3 years in addition to our local population we draw people from many parts of the Bay and some people even from national to continue to grow we need larger equipment and more space we like to be the first brewery in Hudson developing a community of local supporters we support many organizations the Central Pasco County Chambers Pasco Pride kidney fan fest the Tampa firefighters museum gulfside hospice and many other local fundraisers again I'd like to thank you for your consideration and I appreciate your time thank you welcome good afternoon I am Susan Beauchesne I'm the executive director at the Central Pasco Chamber of Commerce located at one nine-30 Land O'Lakes Boulevard suite 16 Lutz Florida three three five four nine I am here just in support of our very valued member craft life brewing and I believe that the Hudson area would be very fortunate to gain a business such as this he is a great business owner a great contributor to the community and he has created a really wonderful gathering place in the heart of Land O'Lakes where otherwise it was kind of an undesirable building and unattractive and not maintained well so he's created a really wonderful meeting place so I just encourage you all to vote in favor of having mr. Foley move forward with

his business plans in your area thank you as anyone else in the room we would like to speak to this item oh excuse me for the record thank you my name is David Baylor I live at one three six four eight East Fork Lane in Hudson I'm here as the treasurer of Hudson First United Methodist Church and of course we object to this waiver request I think the the ordinance was put in for a very solid reason to keep sale of alcoholic beverages a safe distance from any school or a house of worship and I think that ought to be honored we have enough problems in that area with homelessness and etc and we do not need anything added in there because we have children on occasion who are out in the property and from this place of establishment you can go around excuse me go around and go by our prop and of course it could be people who are inebriated we do not need that going around our property so that's our position is we are firmly against the waiver okay thank you sir come forward can you put the map up to show the distance the location of this place and the church please and wait go back to that closin that you had that looks like someone's storing cars or something junkyard or yeah what is that what is that right now okay all right so he said I'll just say it he don't have to come up whoever was there before had a lot of junk cars there obviously so already it's a clean up and show the distance from the church because you know I normally really respect what the churches have to say but in my opinion it's blocks and wrote blocks away so separated 600 feet 600 feet away but look what it's separated by that's what's swaying me if you can tell I don't if you have a closer map you can pull it up on you've got the their parking lot with double roads then you have a Lance wooded area then you have the north side of amberjack Lane the south side of amberjack Lane again wooded then you have Tower Drive and this is on the south side of tower dry oh okay we have a gentleman warm to speak to that please state your name and your address my name is Ken Schaeffer I live at one four one one two roller Lane in Hudson and regardless of how this turns out I wish to hope that the owners are able to establish a a profitable business I appreciate what they do on behalf of the community and we have people in the family who are very knowledgeable in beer and appreciate the subtle nuances I would like to cite an historical precedent however about ten years ago there was a winemaking business located on mile stretch Road very close to a church and it was open for several years and then someone discovered the ordinance the distance from the church ordinance and at that point the business was allowed to continue but the consumption or tasting of alcohol on the premises was forbidden so it had to come to a stop so in one respect want to ask why do we have a law and then ask for a waiver with respect to that particular law so just bring

this bring this precedent before you as well and again wish the owners well regardless of the outcome of this but I stand with our treasurer and hoping that there could be another location for this business thank you thank you okay no one else to speak what I will say in this business business is perhaps on behalf their current business is in my district and Elena lakes and they took an old they took an old dilapidated building and turned it into a thriving a thriving business otherwise probably would have fallen in our ordinance to either condemn or knock down how it was how that building was going it was you know it's turning out to be a dilapidated structure how it was and it would have you know fallen under that that ordinance at commercial blight Hornets and probably would beginning fine to this day so I will said they have done a good job with cleaning that that property up and I've never ever heard of one issue whatsoever that resulted from from that business mr. chairman yes you know this is right along us 19 the location of the property if you went down out towards us 19 and took a right to see an old furniture or old Aran's furniture which a dreaded homeless population surround that area you know it's hard to get business to thrive on 19 this area here I think it's on a good side of the road where people from this side and there's a cross over to get there the ordinance itself you know I know we set for a thousand feet but it's generally designed to where it's known as the crow flies and to get to here you've got to go out down over and up if you measured that out you'd be well over that number and I remember when we had the ordinance in place when we had the art at the Groves we had you know pack plows they had a restaurant the movie theater wanted to come in and have liquor and drinks and there was an apartment complex up the street but down in a ways and the church objected heavily to that we went through it because as part of an empty property that was right there it didn't make sense not to allow them to go and I'll tell you the success I've never had a single complaint from that place this place is here was probably about the same type of distance the buffering that's there you've got tower driving and amberjack Lane to go around it through tiller drive out there on or around 19 you're not just going to walk to it and I think I don't think they give away those craft beers either as far as pricing goes when you compare to the anchorage across the street i mean that's where you may have a lot more trouble I would think so I'm gonna support them in a move approval clear you got to take action on p13 first yeah make your motion on P 13 first and then we'll take a look P 14 removal approval of pre 13 second okay kind of motion a second all those in favor say aye all opposed like that motion passed now P 14 and as far as I just like to say you know the first United Methodist Church of Hudson is a great Church great people and their great concerns but I'm still going to move move approvals P 14 as

well okay a second on P 14 all those in favor say aye okay motion passed we move now to P 15 and B bass okay we do have proof publication Tampa Bay Times January 11th 2019 that's known good afternoon ins Caldwell public works and this is P night P 15 sorry hammock Road the P vast number three three two two this is one Street is counter maintained and paved the estimated cost project cost is two hundred and thirty three thousand six hundred and twenty eight dollars maximum calls for ru was three thousand dollars and the discount amount is fifty four thousand nine hundred and seven dollars maximum calls for a are you after the discount is $2,500 hammock road and you have us 19 going north to south and hammock goes west just some pictures showing the condition of havoc this is a board initiated project and we're staff is action for approval do you have I don't have anybody signed up for P P 15 there's anyone audience would like to speak to this item see you none seeing no one move approval board initiated project yep this upcoming project is also board initiated I'm sorry I'm sorry I [Music] okay we moved to P 16 yes yes we do I approve Tampa Bay Times January 2nd 2019 this is also a board initiated project Johnson Road P vast number three three to four this is one Street come to maintain and paved a total project cost estimated project costs is $260,000 160 $260,000 165 maximum cost for ER u is 4,600 we did a traffic study traffic count sorry with the traffic count and we were able to apply the cut through discount typically the discount is 25 and over $1000 in this case it's a 50% over each year you assessment because it functions a cut-through road yes the customer yes what's up turtle cows if you have a percent discount it's a a hundred and the county's contribution would be one hundred and thirty thousand one hundred and the previous amount was reduced from four thousand six hundred to two thousand three hundred okay very good yes in terms of location in your customer from us 19 going east and then zimmerman going up to fifty two are just some photographs showing the condition the road Johnson Road near us nineteen Johnson Road by rampart Lane okay I have two people signed up to speak you have George Dyer said Helen Hatfield okay and then Carol Hurley if you could line up and George Dyer if you could set your name and address please yes my name is George Dyer and I live at 7204 Johnston Road I've got some questions for y'all is this a no truck Road no nobody knows at nineteen at nineteen there and where the liquor store is right where you come off nineteen there is now a tow company in there and there's a detention pond in there that has been filled at least half way maybe more and it really floods James Road now then there's a lift station down at scallop and Johnson there was water there today standing in the road

I got ready to come here these are questions I'd like to have answered and from scallop 219 there's one streetlight on the corner and the only other streetlights on that road is it my house and my neighbor's house we had a stabbing two weeks ago once you get two houses past my house you can't see nothing and there's a there's a vacant lot there so my concerns are and I called the sheriff's department maybe two years ago now I'll be there 11 years in September I asked him to come out because there was excessive speeding and as bad as this road is they caught a woman doing 73 mile an hour there's children in this neighborhood and there's no sidewalks if you pave this road I guarantee you there's gonna be problems down that road because people I I mean today I mean you know 40 50 mile-an-hour and my question is about - no truck Road the gentleman that has the tow company he backs out and he uses he uses Johnston Road to load his vehicles because there's not enough room in the liquor store parking lot if we're gonna do something like this I'd like to see some street lights and idea if we can do speed humps or whatever because if there's ever an accident on 19 you would not believe what goes on down that road people are pulling into driveways or stopping they don't know where to go they go down a block or two to rampart and that's horseshoeing the leisure they come back and they're like well how did I get out here so I mean there's just appreciate if you look into it and I'm being priced out of my home / insurance I'm paying more now than when I bought my home almost 11 years ago that's really all I have to say thank you thank you I may ask him a question yes how long is that tow company been there if you wait how long have you lived there I've been here B 11 years in September and it's been there probably two years but they may not even be allowed to be there what was there before that towing company was there well the people that filled it in had a tile company so there's a difference between a tile retail company and a towing company which is a stork mr. and mr. Rosenthal could you please investigate this property and see if they're allowed to be there there's a difference we need to make sure that's correct yes I mean I watched him do it over a period of time and I retired from tinel's county highway roads and bridges and I went down there and I asked you must yes was this private he goes they don't make a damn what it is you need to get off my property well I see all the cars there I don't see you know we have certain rules for businesses like that and we do it all right well I appreciate ya Thank You mr. chairman the next lady who's gonna speak actually called me about that issue I did get the staff I didn't get a response back I don't think heard anything okay okay my name is Carol Hughley and I reside at 7:03 9 James Street I am addressing the cause of the Johnson Road repavement payments that has become the financial burden of the

James Street residents Johnson Road has had large potholes and has been patched for the 29 years that I have lived on James Street this indicates poor financial spending and the part of the county has it been considered that emergency vehicles such as fire rescue and law enforcement have been subjected to the road situations in emergencies a auto transport company uses Johnson Road to load and unload vehicles for a company and also causing obstructive vision the residents of James Street are being acquired to contribute the cost of research resurfacing Johnson Road the county does that make any road repairs on James Street residents ends on James Street are appreciative of mr. Roger Hadfield who has personally assumed the cost of the asphalt and labor to care for James Street repairs how unfair is this as a taxpayer also we the residents of James Street use only approximately two hundred feet of Johnson Road to enter US Highway 19 as James three is a Devon Street rampart Lane and scallop drive our both struck both cross over streets using Johnson Road leisure lane must use Johnson Road the residents of Gulf Highlands use Johnson Road to access u.s. 19 the county has stated they can cross over Johnson so therefore should not be responsible for any refinance or support they are undoubtedly using the next street over to avoid the condition of Johnson Road well I am confident they will resume using Johnson Road once it is resurfaced I am a proud taxpaying resident of Pasco County but the financial burden and the James Street residents for this project is unethical and uncalled for thank you yes ma'am afternoon everyone I am Nina Hatfield I live on the seven one three nine James Street and I'm here to give my voice but not to vote it's I understand that right right to voice not to vote I just don't and if we don't have right to vote how come we are asked for a money to pay for the road I have to agree with miss Carroll my previous we are basically poor neighborhood we don't have money in your water what looks to me mandatory you even spent two maybe even three pages explaining how we can take along let me tell you something my car is 18 years old I am working in the st. Pete I'm driving on the daily basis two hours if I have to take along believe me I would choose to buy a car safer and better than this one this one even paint start falling off so that is just one example from real life how financial situation is and almost all neighborhood have similar or maybe same issues a lot of them are sick paying expensive medications and now on the top of everything we have to pay for the road which everyone using around you saying by regulations they don't have to use they can go across in reality believe me they using heavy every day so I'm here to ask for understanding for all of us and to work hard all of you now regulations all of you're smart and you are in the position to find a way how we

can make that neighborhood better looking what all of us would like to see at one point but do not be such a burden on our I would really appreciate it thank you thank you yes sir please state your name and address Roger Hatfield at 71 39 James Street kudos Janet ladies and gentlemen for listening to us also I think I fell asleep twice back there I don't know how you guys do it sorry I have a couple questions on that with with Johnson beam from us 19 to simmerman now Zimmerman goes to 52 to ranch now that wasn't painted with non assessment I think you know four or five somewhere back and then it basically does the same thing it goes to Ranch Road and T's ours goes from us 19 it goes to Zimmerman to that road and tees there's no stop signs in between anything like that it looks to me like it's a more of a main axis because there is a lot of traffic on that road as far as getting a paved without assessment that would be fine it's not to be paid without you know with assessments it's been that way for 30 years you know it can be left alone is that at that fact there's a thing here I can name there's a couple other roads that were over in Pasco they've been you know through through from wrapping it's rainy from moonlight brother to ghost moon like road - I think it's Leslie or one of them it goes over in Lake because that was the main throw through that wasn't assessed either I appreciate the time so you know we have roads like your road all over the county oh I know I know my shop is right off of graphic which graphic is from scenic to us 19 and it's been falling apart for years yeah these decisions we make on these kind of roads it's not easy to make I understand it's a financial buying for a lot of my neighbors not like this you know some of that money if you added up that could be six months of their electric bill they're on fixed incomes yep I appreciate the time yes I'm gonna speak to me that I'm an asset chairman for the Mike yeah and then um I'm gonna ask you to come back up and explain how the exemptions work for people of how they can qualify for help there there is a there is a are you done I don't know I well he's gonna come up in it and explain it to everybody so so come on so come on up yep thank you for your comments thank you and and you're referring to the ship program yeah the state housing initiative partnership program there are two ways you can qualify if you're a homeowner and you're under 50% of the medium in median income of the Tampa Bay area and it lists the different number of persons per per household for example one person per household 22400 another category by which you can apply is if you're if there's a senior in the whole household 62 years or older I go through you know the various number of persons and the income level however there are some conditions that must be met the house must be homesteaded the value

of the property must be under 160,000 and on and on a copy of this was inserted in the letter that each resident just want to make sure the residents that are here that are talking about being on fixed incomes know there is a way that they can receive some assistance so I go back to you know p15 nobody spoke on P 15 I don't I don't see anybody for the road today is there anything me so I'm trying I guess how did this come about what was the vote again the initial vote and is there anybody here that's actually that wants to see this road paved this is a board initiated project no no I'm about not commissioners but about residents that live on the road we can't speak from the audience re yeah this is a board initiated project well I so it never it never won into a vote no board in the shade that sprawl they do go to vote sometimes and they fail then they come back and they come right and it's just this didn't this originated as a board initiation and why'd you bring this forward I'm Commissioner Mariano it's in his district and is the road causing the residents of Pasco County a lot of money to try and upkeep I mean so when we send someone out to fill the potholes over and over and over again and if you could put the pictures back up that is a cost that's not free it's everyone pays for that and at some point you know people we we need to bite the bullet and these roads otherwise it's a way for my question money it's a board initiated pieces all my questions weren't answered so if I could have the mic back and then just get my questions answered morning then I go ahead then I can move on could I explain some of what I was raised whoever can answer the questions I ask so as far as the first one we saw him acclaim him a growth that was one where actually one gentleman called me up so we brought it forward it was a lousy Road so we looked at it had them go look at it did a public hearing for that and no one showed up for that one that's correct okay and I was surprised at that was actually was a church at the end that there's been a heavy heavy assessment on that but no one showed up don't complain the way I wasn't here for this public hearing I was up in Tallahassee for that I think the consortium meeting or so I'm meeting like that so I couldn't make this but I did have a man to come just to listen to it and there were some that was some opposition wasn't phenomenal I did talk to the lady there about the problem with the car company etc but this is a road at it probably at Gulf Highlands probably three or four times it was brought up the last time was brought up I says you know what I'm just going to bring it forward to the Commission do it set up a board initiated I frankly thought this might go out for a vote but as board initiate I guess it just comes to us the road it connects Zimmerman Zimmerman is a busy road that connects 50 to down a Ranch Road very heavily used that's the one of it pushing very hard for the sidewalk which by the way John Villeneuve says that's going to be coming up to one of the high rated ones

because of the school that's there and the use it gets that road get repaved part of East Brown acres many years ago still no side looking the southern part of it which actually need one there too so connecting that is a good thing this is a roadway that is right from us 19 right to Zimmerman there's a lot of traffic that's on there between us 19 the church that's over there golf fountains elementary school that's over there it is going to be a busy road and I will tell you the gentleman brought up a great point as far as not having streetlights out there I think the streetlights should be out there I also think that we should look at putting a sidewalk there as well now we've talked before about doing projects like this by adding sidewalks in there kind of do them all one in the same and I think it's probably an idea when to do it because the gentleman is perfectly right once you repave this road it's gonna get pretty heavily traveled even even faster and it will get dangerous so between those two is very good things that range in the area it does have some issues if someone's filled in and we should take care of it but it was clearly from meetings talking to people several times bring it up that it did get a lot of opposition I mean a lot of support to get that road done because it's just a it's a terrible road and we spend a fortune probably were you doing it maybe it's been like that for a really long time but it's really you know we're trying to become a premier County it's a road that needs to be done if I could ask a question to the county administrator we talked about certain roads for program maintenance and I think we did this for Zimmerman Road the parameters between the two roads Zimmerman as a gentleman pointed out to ranch road and 50 to I got to think we're gonna have the same type of issue here is there a way that we could actually structure this and I know we're getting 50% reduction which is great because it cuts the road but is there a way this could be really structured into program maintenance so we went out she did some traffic counts out there last week yes sir yeah traffic cops did traffic count out there and as a result of that more than half the trips on Johnson Road originate from the homes on and adjacent to Johnson Road not past so there there's a significant pasture cut there but not more than half more than half the trips are actually from the homes on the road based on the traffic council we got out there so I would not right now put it on a program maintenance well let me say this to you if that road was in any shape and everyone any of you who wants to go drive that road you will not drive it twice it is absolutely horrendous if you pave this road it will get used more and these people will get burdened substantial between safety and everything else so if you try if your trip counts where I you would pay for it as a normal structure of a road well I mean you take the traffic count into the instructional design of the road whether

comments that I heard that we want to make sure we look at is if we go repave this row because right now the potholes are acting as traffic calming devices right effectively is to make sure that we look at traffic calming when we repave it so that we don't end up in some speed issues and cut through issues that can be done as part of the P vast process and I see I don't know if there's maybe the residence could help me better are there stop signs at rampart and I'll Drive no okay so that may be the way stop signs aren't effective speed control measures anyway no they're not if people then you become a drag strip then I say then we can go look at putting speed control we did it ash wood this is all part of like East Brown acres that somehow this road got left out of that project ten years ago there are we did put traffic humming and I haven't heard a lot of complaints on the road so if that works better that's fine but again with the high level of traffic and let me just float another idea the income level is area I got to think is real low we did use CDBG money on part of the roads before is that something we could do without just only would help the low income anyway but is that something we should look at we can look at all those options you know we could do that but we wouldn't be ready for the board to approve something today if you want those back and explore those options you say you know this obviously was a board initiated woman so we wanted to get to a time frame it that you asked let's make it let me make a suggestion I could to the board then let's pull this item back let's go do more research and all the points that were made including the the loading etc is going on let's go look at the CBG option let's go study if the road was in good shape what we think it might do for trips and then see if there's a better way to go about this because we do need to fix the traffic humming we should address that up front we should do the sidewalk front the sidewalks and the streetlights out there so with all that maybe it needs to be a bigger project than just this here and I don't want to go into a vote for the people to let them see it too so let them get their input we don't do sidewalks as part p-bass and we don't do streetlights as part P vassals and to separate other programs so but we could if we're gonna and I think we're gonna do it I think that timing is critical that we do them both together and we did we have talked about doing this before if we're gonna do a road project if they want to do sidewalks and they weren't there we could actually incorporate that in as part of the project true and if there was a dish different types of funding source to do that okay but the sidewalks would end up being assessed well and maybe maybe if we can take care of the road and we do the sidewalk sidewalk assessment as well as a streetlight assessment and that kind of levels it up a little bit so I'm gonna I'm gonna show you just move to continue it or just continue it and bring it and bring it back with a more comprehensive

plan and then we can bring it out for a vote to the people as well I would continue it to a time to be determined I don't know how long it's gonna take us to vote then you're talking months you know I'd rather get it right then just run through and do it wrong why did I make emotions and it just we go get it through the public vote and then bring it back after we do the vote unless I think you probably need to reno tiss this if you're gonna start adding traffic-calming and sidewalks and street lighting I don't think the notice that was done for this is adequate so I really think it needs to be very noticed you just need it withdraw at every notice whenever it's ready it's not it's not even the same assessment that was noticed well and we don't know because it cost so that may be so high that we can't do it anyway right maybe I don't think there's any harm in withdrawing your me notice you know mr. Cole what are all these how many homeowners are on that's right I think those 8383 yes how many homesteaded do we know that no I don't know that so you're not affecting well you're affecting the people cuz they're gonna add that to their rent so it's so what is the interest rate and over how many years um this one is I think it's on the ru 5.25 that's what the board approved in October how many years is 1400 a ten-year period I mean listen ten-chan yes sir get it fifteen or I'm second in commissioner many others motion motion I think promotion again I think my motion is to continue it and bring it back well again I don't think that the notice you did you're gonna have to Reno tiss this that you're gonna yeah we're after we noticed yeah well that's a withdrawal withdrawal if you change your motion to withdraw and bring it back at your public hearing I think that works nice a new withdrawal Rebecca public hearing okay got a motion a second all those in favor yeah motion pass just withdraw yes okay now we go to [Applause] I never do how am I gonna get this meeting over with alright mr. Moore Oh business not just real quick you know wait time right now right now right now no I just two things I went first I wanted to refer it as a meta Mandy Taylor welcome Andy to our team and he'll be working out of my office and Andy comes from Hillsboro County you worked with Commissioner Higginbotham when he before he retired and he's actually to be moving in Pasco County to which is even better right so welcome Andy Ann Daniel beginning if he hasn't met with a lot of the department heads and octaves he will be having meetings with the rest of them so welcome and thanks for happy to have you on the team buddy so in a second in the second what I want to bring up is I know sometimes we like to talk about staff some of the great jobs that they've been doing here in the county I just wanted to bring up you know Mike linear team members Donald Kerry he's been doing a lot of heavy lifting out there and one of the things I've noticed about Donald throughout the last you

know three or four years he's just very detail-oriented he follows up you know whether it would be what citizens or myself and just keeps me constantly update and have a lot of things going on in my district that he's involved in right now and I appreciate just the amount of emails and yeah and the great job he keeps he does keeping me up to date he's very thorough yeah very thorough in their in the citizens too so you should've seen him in the meeting I had him in with a scientist from Swift mud just like a rat you know and I appreciate all our team members but he's obviously very intelligent to me he does a great job in the in those meetings like chairman Oakley was speaking of too so I'm just wanted to mention that he's doing a great job and I appreciate - he been doing a great job mr. Arky the shuttle was bringing something in that she thought it was attached here a list or schedule from a commission on the status of women so I can't read it to you until I get a copy of the list because it is do you have it do you Han it do you have that list okay I wanted to remind you that lectures on the lawn is Friday at Starkey ranch District Park and you know the last two times we have done this we've had tornadoes and so while Emergency Management is on high alert it looks like we're gonna be able to get this one off so Mallory dim it will be here and speaking and like and showing her film on the Forgotten coast which is a trip actually one of our former county employees Richard is in this one because they stopped at his house in Chau Savitsky and then they go up and across the Panhandle it's just a beautiful beautiful beautiful film about Florida's wildlife corridor then I had a I had a question concerning something we approved today and I wanted to ask our planner it's on the that it was on the consent agenda and Andrea and Christopher Clark jr. it's on Tower Road so it's on Tower Road okay I'm looking at and I wanted to make sure that you know we have the orange belt trails going along that that road and so I want to make sure that we are accommodating the orange belt and not putting a blocker on it so did so how does that work when it goes through the different apartment departments for approval well we're certainly keeping an eye on this is an exogenous PTO's planning to dollar and we're still keeping an eye on the orange belt trail however in this particular case it was a zoning change which we don't really condition zoning amendments so we wouldn't have applied or required anything associated with that zoning change does so as it's going through the process to the different departments does anyone make comments or is it noted anywhere that there's a major County trail going in front of this house it is noted when we're at the stage of reviewing site plans if there's an MPD involved for instance we'll take a look at it at those stages when there's more specifics to discuss so um would it make sense for it to be included in the findings of fact when we're going through this that

there is a major County trail coming right down this road I just don't want it to get overlooked and then we you know we have a big problem so it seems like it should be noted somewhere yeah we could take a look at the applicant knows we could take a look at that and include that in the findings of fact when we talk about what vision roads may be moving through the area and what trails are planned for the area okay I would appreciate that because makes me nervous when these kind of things go through and there's no discussion on it I don't you know I don't know the specifics and I worry that you know we have been auctioning off that land that the trails going on in the County Courthouse is done so sometimes we're not talking to each other okay so the Commission on the status from wit of women's upcoming community resource presentations are let's the topics of discussions will include health and wellness economic prosperity and safety and access and then it says below are the remaining dates help me Johanna 2019 work program the next presentation is on March 4th it'll focus on health and wellness followed by their April 8th monthly meeting they'll discuss economic prosperity and their final meeting on these topics is on me safety and access and so at these meetings for example the last one was on Education and the superintendent Browning was there and so members of the public are invited to these meetings not just the committee members that correct yes ma'am and how are we how are we broadcasting that broadcasting we're inviting the public to join us they're being held during the commission on status of women normal monthly meetings at the library in Land O'Lakes 2:30 p.m. but but how does the public know is it on it is it on the calendar on the website or it'll go out through our normal communications plan with a full press release okay I just want to make sure it's getting out there we've also posted this information on the commission on the status of women Facebook page and via Twitter okay and I think that's well we had a very lengthy Tampa Bay water meeting yesterday went till three o'clock we agreed on six contentious items and then what we agreed on was that it would be brought back to the executive committee meeting that will be next month with all the changes made into the new document as Mike still here yeah and you know I'm not a hundred percent sure if it's gonna pass but you want to make some comments yeah I think that the board was actually going to address it at the April meeting I think April 15th they talked initially about the executive committee but they wanted to give the attorneys and the board members a little more time to digest the the full agreement but yes I think they made significant progress and we'll see what happens yep we'll see what happens and we tweaked it and tweaked it and tweaked it and I personally feel that Pasco County has represented themselves very well in the negotiations when we we've

encouraged we were able to include seven million dollars and maybe some more we'll see that will go to the count to Tampa Bay water to help cover some of Hillsborough caught city of Tampa's costs and we have provisions in there that we can opt out if we don't think we see a benefit to Tampa Bay water and I don't know commissioner Oakley wants to add anything but so like I think we have really addressed a lot of the issues and at the just add to that we we've addressed a lot of issues a lot of questions were asked and we gotten the answers and we got ways to opt out it takes six votes to opt in it takes sixth opt out but I believe that we actually actually we're watching that boat yesterday I believe that we could have that if we needed that sixth opt out if it was not working like we thought it was it was not regional so it's pretty important so that's it for me okay thank you and I'd love to be out there Friday night but I've got to work at the wild game dinner so I won't be able to be up lectures on the law and I would like to see that I would like to see that video though it sounds like it would be awesome I just want to Thanks thank you all again for supporting the moonlight cleanup it'll be this weekend you know I'll be out there on Sunday because I got to work at the wild game dinner all day Saturday but I just want to thank you all again and what that's all I have and I'd like to say the the restoring committee is going to meet on Thursday topics pretty much going to come about dredging again with Gulf harbors and Hudson maybe could be much more topics coming but I'd like to just ask staff you know a while ago we talked about putting a trespass ordinance in the rental registry like new port richey did not allowing people to give money to panhandlers I haven't seen any agenda it was about that coming up are we working on that or what's the status we're working through the various things trying to come up with a list that makes sense that we can bring to you for all our including including but there's some challenges with those let's talk about them so maybe maybe just a register I got our item to have a discussion on it those items others have Dunham at least have a discussion we're going to decide where to go and get some type of directions I mean something needs to change and I think we're in position to learn from others and how they've done it okay and I think we're gonna have a meeting on the side ones coming up as well yes that will be on the April workshop a bortion excellent and as the Sun West has got their shrimp and crab festival and by the way I was very pleased to see the schedule they now we now have the official Annual Pass for our Pasco County residents can buy it for $30 non-residents are $50 which i think is great I'm gonna probably buy mine on Friday night and I'll hopefully even help parks go and sell some to keep it moving and that's all I have thank you I don't have anything at this time [Music]

yes madam clerk I just wanted to add in on the concern about our residents being represented tax collector pizanno called me about jury summonses and we are doing an audit right now looking at all of our boundaries to see if shared zip codes the houses in Pasco are included on our list from DHS M V so just so you know we're looking at that right now and we did have a successful wedding on Valentine's Day we had 19 couples married and three vow renewals thank you for the use of the courthouse lawn song Commissioner Moore and chairman Oakley were part of our choir singing to advertise the Valentine's Day wedding go into the courthouse it's a really fun original place yeah that's right we're going to and lying in the Bellagio I don't think they're gonna have a shoot after chairman yes sir I forgot about an item I want to bring up okay in talking about the dredging up and down the coast and I'm not sure are we close to having the numbers back on what's gonna actually cost to do dredging yet and we still go into that process or are we still setting up an RFP or hiring somebody I think we were in the process of hiring somebody okay all right oh it's not gonna be done quickly what position this is a new position no sorry to consult it to do the bathymetric surveys etc to come up with some some prospective costs for dredging mainly in the main channels all right currently we've got some rough data that I think it's wrong Mike was in them like 32,000 dollars or so well there's there's a number of things but we don't have a bathymetric survey contract so we've got to work through some some some some things to make that happen and then on top of that the RAC money unfortunately is a delay and getting that money so we're looking at some funding options so we can try to advance that a little sooner yeah well I do want to set up a committee at some point to look at dredging up and down but I need numbers to sit down with folks on what's going to cause so okay what what how long do you think it'll take to get to that point I'll need to get back to you on that Thank You mr. chairman good answer mr. biles on our I guess our website for the county there's four goals four or five goals we have set aside there I was asked today at lunch by citizen if there was some way we could have answers to if we're meeting our goals as a commission or our staff and all yeah I think that in the annual reports all online the annual report has the annual update of where we are with respect to the goals that were outlined in the street even apart and it would show that yes sir well I'll go back and check to make sure it's a easy link to get to okay if you will that be good so okay their question you know they'll be answered so that's good the only other thing I have today is that I really want to you know add to what what our members up here commissioners have said about our staff and and any attorney's office and all the utilities and written you facilities

everyone Kathy your group I mean I don't want to leave anyone I should quit naming them because I'll leave out somebody so I don't want to leave out anyone but I certainly appreciate all the work that goes into what we do here every day and I certainly appreciate the fact that we all come here and we talk and we discussed same as we did today and we come up with good answers and we come up with doing the right thing for our citizens and I just think that's that's a great thing this Commission's doing we again I'll repeat that we all come from different walks of life different parts of the county we come here and discuss and we end up most of the time in a five of we got a lot each Commissioner has a lot to they add to that and and with the staff and and the numbers and the answers that we get from all the staff to that and attorney's office it makes it work and we get to understand that so it's it's great we have a great staff we have a lot of things moving very smoothly thanks to Dan and his group he's he's lying things the right way I toasted somebody asked me one time when I was first running for office that what would you want to be remembered for in the future and I said well I'd like to be remembered as one of five commissioners choosing the right County Administrator that would realign the departments of our County and work work smoothly together so we're all on the same page we're all working together and and that's exactly what's happening here so you're all kudos to everybody and the staff and all of our employees they're all doing a great job I appreciate it and that's all I have anybody have anything else so with that we adjourn [Music] you