06.16.26 Pasco County Board of County Commissioner Meeting (Morning Session)

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Good morning. I would like to call to order the Pasco County Board of County Commissioners 10:00 meeting on June 16th at 2026. At this time, please silence all electronic devices. Please rise for the invocation and pledge of allegiance.

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Good morning. It's great to be with you. [laughter] Let's pray. Oh, Father, you've given us a beautiful day today to be able to come together and to discuss the important business of our county, Lord. And I see on the agenda we're going to be recognizing various people today for their dedication and service. I also see we're going to be recognizing some of our children, Lord. It's always a good thing when we're able to come together and to celebrate the accomplishments of our children. So, I just say

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to celebrate the accomplishments of our children. So, I just thank you for the children and uh for the parents and our school system and all of those who helped to nurture our children in this county. I also see that we are recognizing faith and family month, Lord, and that's particularly near and dear to my heart. So, as we've gathered today, I just lift up our time together, ask that you would give us open ears and open minds and open hearts to the discussions uh particularly any concerns that might be brought forward by our citizens. So, thank you, Lord, for bringing us together today and be in the midst of our conversation conversation and I lift us all up in your name. Amen.

Amen.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Madam Clerk, please call the roll.

District 1, Commissioner Oakley.

Excused.

District 2, Commissioner Weightman.

Present.

District 3, Commissioner Starkey.

Here.

District 4, Commissioner Yeager.

Here.

District 5, Chairman Mariano.

Here.

Now is the time for public comment. Citizens are given the opportunity to comment on any current or future agenda item coming before the board and on other business under the board's purview. Today's public comment will be handled as follows. First, we'll take public comment for those who are here in person, then we'll take public comment for those who have pre-registered for an online link and currently on queue. When you request When you request when you address the board, comments are not directed personally at the county commissioner or team member, but rather directed at the issues. This provides mutual respect between the board members and the public. After stating your name and address with the clerk, a 3-minute timer will be activated and a green light will be shown at the podium. After 2 minutes, a yellow light will indicate you have 1 minute left.

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When your time is up, a red light will display, three beeps will sound, and you should close your comments. Online participants will be disconnected automatically when the time is up. Madam Clerk, do you have anyone signed up for public comment?

I do, Mr. Chair. I'll call the first three so they know. Um we have Lola Meyer, if you could step up to the podium, followed by Leonard Lloyd, followed by John Priola.

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And you can pull that mic down if it helps you.

Well, I got a pretty loud voice. I'm a '60s hippie. I Okay, so how does this work?

You have 3 minutes.

My name is Lola Meyer. I live at 5944 Elkhorn Boulevard, Holiday, Florida. Okay, this is my first meeting, so please be patient. Now what?

Now you can go ahead and speak, and then you have 3 minutes.

Okay, my first problem is I am really getting disgusted at seeing the amount of of wooded areas being cut down and dead animals. It's like nobody's paying attention to what is happening these animals, and everybody is making lots of money putting up stores and houses and everything. We got to get to a point where we've got to slow down and start thinking of our future and our future children. My Another one, which has been already brought up, so I'll wait to hear from somebody after that. The last thing I want to know is what is your purpose? I don't want to know what your job descriptions are. I already know I've worked for the government. I want to know what your purpose is. Somebody gets back to me, I'm really be glad to hear that. The only other thing I said is I really like to see the meetings at a different time. Being a crossing guard at one point in that, I couldn't work for the state. I couldn't come to your meetings. Virtual is icky. So, my complaints you've heard.

Thank you.

Thank you. So, we have Leonard Lloyd followed by John Labriola followed by Mayor John Eric Hoover.

Leonard Lord lived at 9525 Sunbeam Drive for 49 years and it's a honor just to come speak. I know you're busy, but to take time to listen to us, I appreciate it. I do just want to thank you for what you do and just say as a pastor in the lead of the community, I find out that it's easy for us to focus on budgets and cost and how to do that. And I found out when I studied the scripture probably as you do, Solomon says that money answers all things, but Jesus comes along and says you can't serve two masters. You love the one or hate the other. You cling to one and let go of the other. You can't serve God and money. So, I want to thank you all today for the resolution to look at faith and family and I know as we don't look at our wallet, but look at what God wants to do, he will finance his work. And so, I found out as the book of Haggai says, when the government, the church come together and a remnant of people move in the fear of God and do what God tells them to do, God says he will shake the nations. The gold and silver is his and he'll finance it. So, we can do our thing and have to pay the way and raise taxes or we can obey God and he'll provide cuz there's inheritance for the saint. Thank you all for serving us. And I want to say I read in the good book my responsibility is to pray for you and serve you and bless you. So, any way I can help, Pastor Leonard Lord, give me a call. God bless you. Thank you for serving us.

John Labriola followed by Mayor John Eric Hoover followed by Vice Mayor Chris Mayor.

Good morning, board. My name is John Labriola. I represent the Christian Family Coalition. We are a statewide organization dedicated to defending religious liberties and also advancing family values in Tallahassee and throughout the state. We were up in Tallahassee this year advocating for different a bunch of different legislation, but we're here today because June June should be dedicated to faith and family. We've seen June dedicated to some anti-family agendas and we think that it's very important that you take a step to acknowledge the importance of fatherhood, families, and faith. So we thank you for doing that and one of the things that we saw in Tallahassee this year is that there was a bill to um to dedicate October 14th as a Charlie Kirk Day of Remembrance. As you know, or as maybe you don't know, that bill was passed in the house overwhelmingly. However, when it came to the Senate, it passed all the Senate committees, but it was blocked or actually not not scheduled for a vote, unfortunately. So the state did not dedicate a day to Charlie Kirk and Charlie Kirk was a champion of faith, family, and freedom. He actually gave his life on that cause. And so we we as an organization felt that [clears throat] it's very important that we continue to acknowledge the importance of important contributions of Charlie Kirk and the fact that he died for his faith. And so even though the legislature did not approve that bill, we are going to individual county commissions and just yesterday I was in Gilchrist County and they passed a resolution to declare that October 14th will be Charlie Kirk Remembrance Day in the in this county of Gilchrist and I'll be back there in October for formal presentation, but I wanted to let you know that because we will be back here and asking you if you could also do the same. What Gilchrist County has done is that they're not only declaring a day of remembrance, but they're also because they run the library system, they're they will be doing a week-long book display of Charlie Kirk's books as he wrote seven books and we think that's important because that's the way that he got his ideas across through books. Also, Sumter County has done the same and so we're starting to ask individual counties to do that. So, I wanted to thank you again for declaring June the Faith and Family Month and we'll be back here to ask you also to declare Charlie Charlie Kirk Day of Remembrance as well as allow for book display in your libraries for his seven books during that the week of his birthday. Thank you again.

We have Mayor John Eric Hoover followed by Vice Mayor Chris Moyer followed by Pastor Troy Peterson.

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Good morning Mayor John Eric Hoover, 8703 Green Street, Port Richey. Mr. Chairman, Commissioners, I want to thank each of you for all you do and thank for you thank you for considering and hopefully recognizing June 2026 as Faith and Family Month in Pasco County. Faith and family are the foundation of strong communities. They provide the value, support, and sense of purpose that help neighbors come together, overcome challenges, and build a better future for the next generation. I especially appreciate the board's leadership in highlighting the important role that faith-based organizations, family families, community volunteers play throughout our county. In the city of Port Richey, we were proud to proclaim June as Faith and Family Month at our May 26th City Council meeting and I'm honored to stand with you today in support of this recognition. Thank you for your commitment to the values that strengthen our communities and make Pasco County such a great place to live, work, and raise a family. God bless you all and God bless Pasco County. Thank you.

Chairman and Commissioners, welcome and good morning. I as the Vice Mayor of Port Richey, I'm also thankful for your support that you have for our little city right here. We are getting some strength. We're actually getting traction there and we're accomplishing many great things. It's not without your help that we do that. So, thank you very much for that. Thank you for supporting Faith and Family Month. As a a 40-year businessman, I learned early on in my career that without God in my life, I was not going to get a lot of traction. So, early on in my career, I accepted Christ. I came to Christ, and it changed a lot of the things in the way I looked at business. Um I do believe that businesses and God have a place to come together as government and God have a place to come together. And by you guys supporting Faith and Family Month, you're showing the public and and the community that you're supporting us and backing us. So, thank you very much, and that's all I've got today.

Thank you. Pastor Troy Peterson, followed by Alan Rose, followed by Cindy uh Scarda.

Troy Peterson, 8114 Leo Kidd Road. That's Light of the World Tabernacle, where I where I serve. Um I want to thank you. The The first thing I wanted to thank you guys for was the National Day of Prayer. Um I I was blessed with the opportunity to go over to the East. Excuse me.

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I was blessed with the opportunity to go over to the East side uh with uh Commissioner Whitman and Commissioner Oakley. And that was a real blessing to see uh the body of Christ and government working together to uh pray. And then again on the West Pasco side, um it was just such a blessing. Um Another thing that uh I'm really thankful for is uh with this Faith and Family Month, we've been doing uh Fam Fest in the park. We did one in Port Richey Waterfront Park. And we had several uh and Abigail got baptized, yes. And uh we had several churches come together uh to work with our mayor and our city council to really just to have a family-friendly event. Uh and we're also in Ocala. Um And then we also have uh the uh the backpack giveaway coming up. Um, and so it's these type of things that we're able to to do with county and city government to bring the church together to really be a blessing in our community. I'm just so thankful for your guys' leadership. Uh, call me anytime if you need any prayer [clears throat] or if we can serve you in any way. Thank you. God bless.

Thank you.

Good morning, Alan Rose, 10221 Hilton Out Drive, New Port Richey. For the record.

Move to strike, receive and file.

Second motion.

All in favor say aye.

Aye.

This is just bringing forward things we've discussed in the past about flooding over in Golden Acres. That we haven't experienced before, but we're experiencing and we're going to experience a lot more with this new develop new rezoning and continued development around Rocky Sink Spillway. Uh, I've highlighted everything in here so you can see when we brought it to you before last year. Uh, the south portion of the of the basin has a riparian flow moving through Rocky Sink Spillway, Tanglewood Spillway, and Hidden Lake Spillway. All bring our riparian flow to the Cotee River and then out to the Gulf of America. All these communities and I've listed all the communities in there are now ex prone to flooding due to lack of waterways management at Bear Creek in the Cotee River. Cotee River just a prime example. If we knew we could go from Crews Lake all the way down to uh uh Miller's Bayou and we could do it by canoe if it was maintained properly, but it's not. You can walk on it. So anyway, there's now repetitive flooding throughout a basin there hasn't been before. The wetlands in the southern section drain to the Cotee River through the Rocky Sink Spillway, Tanglewood Spillway, and Hidden Lake Spillway. All come together in the southern section of Tanglewood Spillway, then going under the cubicles and drain to the Cotee River. There has been zero maintenance on these three spillways and they barely flow. And this last last month when I saw these rezonings and this new uh approval for for construction right along there. Right now they're putting in a storage facility and hardening the ground right above Rocky Sink and the spillway right there. And that water's going to just even though it's going to go through uh retention ponds, they're already there. The retention ponds are there, but they're always dry. Why? Because they're higher than Rocky Sink and they're higher than the than than our community. So, the water's going to flow backwards just like I witnessed it last year and I brought it to you. So, now I'm asking you that you bring this forward. Have whoever's responsible for our waterways take care of this because these three spillways, if they don't get maintained, if we don't get some flow, it was uh at Tanglewood Spillway, the top all the gates were open. At the top of the spillway, it was 2 ft higher than the bottom of the spillway. With all those gates open, that shouldn't have been. So, something's not been maintained. And then when you go south of the cubicles, you go down there and look at all the blockages throughout. It's it's just not flowing at all and you're going to we're going to see some serious flooding and

our whole community is going to really be ravaged by this. So, I'm just asking that you take us take another look at this and whoever needs to to pay attention to this, please. And if I can be of any help, you've got my number. Thank you.

I was going to ask you to leave. Before you leave, Jason and Nickels on the back over there and Bradford's there, just kind of review with them.

Okay.

Thanks.

Thank you. We have uh Sydney uh Sydney Scarda.

Hello. My name is Cindy Scarda. I'm at 29157 Cochiti Lake Drive, San Antonio, Florida. I'm in favor of the moratorium on data centers. Uh I believe it should be a permanent ban. There are three other counties in uh Florida right now that have declared a permanent ban on data centers. Uh given our fragile water supply and our unique geological structure here in Florida, being a limestone base, makes it very permeable, very uh easily um polluted because of its porous structure. So, I think it's very um we should really think about that because we're unique compared to any other states in the country that have rock. So, uh we're risking destroying our fragile ecosystem here. We're in the uh right now, Florida is in a 50-year drought or the Tampa Bay area. Pasco County is currently under a phase three modified extreme water shortage. It's unbelievable to me that I am asked to limit my washing of my cars. I'm limited to how much I can water my lawn. They're even asking me to be careful of how much water I use when I brush my teeth. And then we're considering data centers that use millions of gallons of water a day. Um so, I I I just think we have to understand that Florida is a very unique area and uh we're risking our freshwater water supply by um having more data centers. Does Florida really need more data centers? I think there are like 120 data centers already in Florida with four more being built. I don't think Pasco needs a data center. So, I would ask you to not only do a 12-month moratorium, but a permanent moratorium. So, thank you for letting me speak. Thank you for the time today. Thank

Please do not applaud. Please do not applaud. Thank you.

Mr. Chairman, that item is on your public hearing agenda for this afternoon, not for this morning. It's public comment.

Yeah, so I need to if we're going to talk about data centers, that's at 1:30 we'll have a public hearing on it. And just to let everyone know, we have put a moratorium on them. They're not going to be taking place.

No, no. We're going to We're bringing it forward to go to go on that.

That and we'll be voting on it this afternoon at 1:30 in a public hearing. We can have a discussion on those.

Mr. Chairman, that's all that I have signed up and there's no one on WebEx.

Okay. Anyone else in the audience like to come forward and speak? Please come Please come forward.

Mr. Chairman, thank you.

Hold on a second. Just make sure you state your name and address for the record and then you can begin.

Thank you. David Miltenberger, 12065 Northwest 78th Place in Parkland, Florida. Uh I was hoping to speak related to data centers, but if you're doing it this afternoon at 1:30, I'm happy to come back then and not take your time

I appreciate it. Thank you.

Is that best?

That'd be best.

Okay, thank you. Thank you.

All right. Seeing no one else, we'll close

You had one other hand in the back.

Come forward, please. Anyone else, please get behind this gentleman.

Hi, I'm Pri Watton New Port Richey. I just want to thank Commissioner Starkey that there are some things that we are doing in regards to waterways and uh the support she's giving behind us to supporting what's going on in Pasco with the data centers and also with the water deprivation program. There was something that she did have in mind that we will be implementing for you as well. Just wanted to thank you guys for what you're doing for us. That's all. Thank you.

Thank you. Is there anyone else? Please come forward. Anyone else, please just line up one behind each other.

Good morning. My name is Nick Marando. I live at 6015 Cheers Drive, Port Richey. And I just want to thank the council of about what they're doing with faith and family today that they're going to swear proclamation. I I think so. And I want to thank you guys for what you are doing, Mr. Mariano. I thank you for what you did at the library last year with the uh the transgender [clears throat] uh happy hour story hour. I want to thank you'ns for that. And I I just come to thank you today in Jesus' name. And I thank you and I believe God's wisdom is upon you and he's going to guide you and lead you to righteousness in this in this county and do the right things. Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you, Nick.

Hi, my name is Shane Saul, 4547 Voorhees Road, New Port Richey. Um I'm the founder of Richey FM, which is a brand new community radio station in New Port Richey. And I'm just trying to seek some coordination with the county so that we can uh work together for community communications and emergency operations. And that's pretty much why I'm reaching out for that.

Okay. Um Connor, maybe you can talk with him. Okay. Yeah, that'd be fine. Thank you. Good morning, everybody. Thank you for being here. My name is Jan Johnson. I think I remember Mr. Mariano there. He knows where I am. Uh I'm at 13827 Hudson Avenue in Hudson. I'm directly across from Lakeside Development, which is I'm not sure what the size is, but it's I remember cows when they were out there. Uh just to the east of me within 2 and 1/2 miles, there's four massive developments going in right now. Uh even though Hudson Avenue right now is a raceway, it's a beautiful road. Uh I'm concerned with uh the four developments are there. There's two or three there inevitable with entrances on Hudson Avenue as well because you see the big vast lands for sale. Uh the other concerning point is that my understanding is the piece of property next to a new development 400 ft from me which just opened uh is uh plans for a county maintenance center. Uh I'm not sure how that light industrial fits in with all the residential development right next to it. Plus with the the roads, how crowded they are now, it's a little difficult to get out of my driveway. Thank God I'm retired now and I don't have to get out of my driveway at that time. But uh I just want to know what the plans for the infrastructure for Hudson Avenue is and uh are we going to just continue to have one development after another on the north side of the road, which is my side, which is basically where all the the land that I really thought were going to remain small parcels. Okay, so thank you very much for listening. Appreciate it.

Thank you.

Okay. is Elizabeth Skelly. I'm at 7031 Tanglewood Drive, New Port Richey. I don't understand. Where is the separation of church and state?

There isn't.

Yes, there is.

Please address the board.

Well, he shouldn't be talking to me. Anyway, this has to stop. Separation from church and state, leave it out of the government. Has no place. And if you don't like something on TV or out on the street, go home. That's it.

Whitney England, 4924 Crestnoll Lane, New Port Richey. I live right off Little Road. And I am already having rolling blackouts from Duke Energy. So, with all that construction and the houses aren't even finished, what's going to go on? And then you all are planning data centers that suck up the energy? I just want to know, where is this all going to come from and when is this going to stop? Thank you.

Is there anyone else who like to address the board under public comment? We'll close public comment.

Everybody is silent. There's no one on WebEx.

So, I have a a 10:15 time certain recognizing Dr. Kiran Musunuru for being chosen a member of the Time 100. I know Kiran Dr. Kiran couldn't make it, but I guess he has a representation.

Dr. Musunuru. Welcome, Dr. Musunuru.

Dr. Musunuru, go ahead and read the resolution first. Resolution [clears throat] number 26-263, a resolution by the Board of County Commissioners of Pasco County, Florida, recognizing Dr. Kiran Musunuru Sorry, Musunuru for being chosen as a member of the Time 100. Whereas, Dr. Kiran Musunuru was born in New York City in 1976 and grew up in Pasco County since he was 6 years old and his father opening a cardiology practice in 1981 in West Pasco. And whereas, Dr. Kiran Musunuru graduated in biochemical sciences from Harvard University in 1997, completing a PhD in biomedical sciences at Rockefeller University in 2003, and earned a medical degree from Weill Cornell Medical College in 2004. In 2009, he earned a master's in public health in epidemiology from the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health followed by a master's in law from the University of Pennsylvania Law School in 2019 and a master's in regulatory affairs from the Perelman School of Medicine at the University of Pennsylvania in 2024. And whereas, Dr. Kiran Musunuru is an actively participating cardiologist as well as a Barry J. Gerst Professor for trans- translational research at the University of Pennsylvania's Perelman School of Medicine and a Professor of Cardiology, Genetics, and Pediatrics. And whereas, Dr. Kiran Musunuru has made groundbreaking contributions to cardiovascular science, particularly he pi- his pioneering used I'm sorry, his pioneering use of advanced gene editing technologies to prevent heart disease. Through his research, he has explored how genome editing can target genes involved in lipid metabolism, a breakthrough with far-reaching implications for global health. And whereas in 20 25, Dr. Musunuru led a remarkable multi-institutional team that des- that designed, tested, and administered a personal line gene a personalized gene editing therapy that saved a baby's life who was born with a rare uh meta- meta- metabolic disease and gave him a 50% chance of dying in infancy. Mis- Dr. Musunuru brought together innovations from across biomedical science to prove that on-demand CRISPR tech- therapies can be developed safely and quickly enough to help patients who don't have years to wait. And whereas Dr. Musunuru is a recipient of the Presidential Early Career Award for Scientist and Engineers from President Ba- Barack Obama, the American Heart Association's Award of for Meritorious Achievement, the American Physio- um Philosoph- Philosophical Society's John D. Land Prize for Outstanding Achievement in Clinical Investigation, the American Federation for Medical Research Research's Outstanding Investigator Award, and Harvard University's Fanny Cox Prize for Excellence in Science Teaching, among many others. And whereas Dr. Kiran Musunuru's inclusion into the

Time 100 list marks a major milestone in recognizing the impact of genetic research on cardiovascular health, building his father's legacy. Dr. Musunuru has focused on translating cutting-edge science into real-world solutions. And whereas Dr. Kiran Musunuru was selected for the 2026 Time 100 on behalf of Sam Jacobs and the editors of Time, an annual list of the 100 most influential people in the world, an immense achievement and honor. Now, therefore, be it resolved by the Board of County Commissioners of Pasco County, Florida, that said board hereby congratulates Dr. Kiran Musunuru for his admittance into the Time 100 and honors him for all his achievements. Done and resolved in regular session with a quorum present and voting the 16th day of June 2026.

Approval.

Second.

All in favor say aye.

Aye.

Dr. Rao Musunuru, you must be so proud of your son.

Thank you, sir.

Uh for you know, for what you have done coming to Pasco County, uh creating the one of the one of the best heart hospitals in the nation, the world, uh and and having the son go on and and do all these great things is just just amazing and you must be so proud. Please come forward and say a few words of wisdom, which I know you have many of.

Now, thank you very much. Um you know, Kiran gets honors all over the world all the time, but getting one from hometown is good. Thank you.

My pleasure. Would the board like to come down and join me?

YES.

THAT'S AWESOME. LET'S SEE. PROPERTY APPRAISER WELLS, PLEASE COME UP, TOO.

MIKE.

Mike Wells, come on up.

Property Appraiser.

[applause]

Now we'll go to RS 1.

All right. [clears throat] Um can if you are here for the annual water awareness poster contest, and there should be a couple of you in the audience, please come up and to the podium.

We'll be singing the song We Are the Champions when we're done.

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I see one of the recipients is the mother is my daughter's or my son's art teacher, Miss Hibbs. Hi. So, it must run in the family.

[laughter]

Well, let them all up. There's a way. Keep coming up. Make sure Make sure the kids get up here and play.

you can go up quite even more. Bring the little kids, the special ones, up up up even way in the front.

in the the front of the desks. So, come on up in front of the desks. Yep. [clears throat]

Here. Right here.

Stand right there in the front of that desk.

There you go.

Right there. That's good. Right there.

Yeah, right there.

But, you got to you got to hold your picture the other way.

You've got it correctly. There you go. Perfect. Wonderful.

Oh, sure.

Let her in real quick. Just let her There you go. Perfect. All right, so I'm going to go ahead and read the resolution first. Resolution 26-260 resolution by the Board of County Commissioners of Pasco County, Florida, recognizing and commending Pasco County elementary students receiving first place for their respective grade levels in the 17th annual water awareness poster contest. Whereas, clean, safe, and sustainable water resources are vital to Pasco County's economy, environment, and its citizens. And whereas, the steps we can take to protect and preserve our water through educational partnerships and positive actions are encouraged throughout Pasco County. And whereas, the water awareness poster contest was developed jointly by Pasco County Utilities and the Florida Governmental Utilities Authority, FGUA, with the guidance of Pasco County School Board to champion water conservation education. And whereas, students are given the opportunity, with the assistance of dedicated Pasco County school teachers, to explore STEAM, science, technology, engineering, art, and mathematics-based teaching materials that expand their knowledge of water-related topics through artistic expression. In-res this year, 1,300 I'm sorry, 1,003 posters were submitted with 23,343 entries submitted from Pasco County elementary schools since the program's inception in 2010. In-res winning posters were selected by a judging panel that included representatives from Pasco County Utilities and the F FGUA and community sponsors. In-res the posters chosen displayed exceptional artistic merit, creativity, and clarity of message, and is representative of students at various levels of learning from kindergarten to fifth grade. Now, therefore, be it resolved by the Board of County Commissioners of Pasco County, Florida, that said board hereby thanks each participating student and teachers for their dedicate for their dedication in promoting water awareness through Pasco County, and congratulates first-place recipients Harper Matthews, Hunter Hicks, Emma Chirinos, Patricia Grace Wells, Ezran Rabbi, and Edrika Subedi for their outstanding achievement. Done and resolved in regular session with a quorum present and voting this 16th day of June 2026.

Move to approve?

Second.

All in favor, say aye.

Aye.

Commissioner Yager.

Wow, guys, those are absolutely beautiful, and congratulations. I see each of you did something very different, and I love all the colors you used. I'm going to ask each of you to tell me a little bit about your poster, okay? All right, in the pink, you start first. If someone can help her lower the mic. And just say your name, what school you're from, and then just tell me a little bit about your poster.

My name is Harper Matthews, and my school is Athenian Academy.

And tell us a little bit about your poster, honey.

Why is why is saving water important? It's so It's so pretty. And saving water is important because the dolphins need water

Yeah.

to survive.

That's true.

Yes.

We love dolphins.

Thank you, sweetie. Good job. Very good job. GOOD JOB.

[applause]

SAY YOUR NAME AND WHAT SCHOOL YOU'RE FROM.

HI, I'm Ethan Robbie and I'm from Odessa Elementary School. So, my poster is about how we can prevent microplastics from getting in the water.

It's your plastic. I knew it from your poster.

Cuz the microplastics, they harm all sorts of sea life like turtles and fish because the microplastics can cause animals to choke. And then you know what that means. I don't want to say it out loud. So, [laughter] So, first my poster's about how we can prevent it. So, first we go over what's the problem. So, the these problems are synthetic shirts and plastics and shampoos and conditioners that use a lot of microplastics. And the second section is on where do they go? They go into the ocean They go from showers, drains, and sinks into the ocean, which will then allowed which will then make it pollute all of the ocean and make all of the animals choke. So, So, then we So, then at the final section, which is at the bottom, is how we can prevent and stop these microplastics from getting into the water. We can use screens that catch the bigger pieces of plastic. And there's also a specific type of type of algae that eats these microplastics. You can also use less con- shampoos and conditioners that that are microplastic heavy.

Thank you so much. What grade are you in? What

Fourth grade.

Fourth grade. GREAT JOB.

[applause]

SAY YOUR NAME AND WHAT SCHOOL YOU'RE FROM.

My name is Hunter and I'm from Sanders Elementary School.

Tell us about your poster. You want to tell us one way you can conserve water?

Take shorter shorter showers.

That's right. Shorter showers. Good job. I love all the colors you used in your poster. Great job.

It says H2O, go with the flow.

[applause]

Are you okay? You want to come? You don't want to? Okay, that's I'm sorry. You can just come back here then if you don't want to talk. If you don't want to talk, you can just come back there, honey. Do you want to go? Okay. Here. Do you talk into that?

Um my name is Audrika Sowdhi. I'm from Wesley Chapel Elementary School and um my poster just demonstrates several ways which we can save water in our homes, outside our homes, and like different ways the pollution affects life in the oceans.

Awesome. Awesome. VERY VERY WELL DONE.

[applause]

OH, YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING? WAIT. HANG ON, LISA. Thank you. I just wanted to and I'm Phoenix McKinney. I'm with Pasco County Utilities Water Conservation Coordinator. I do have the privilege of working with many of the people you see back here who work together uh through FSU A and the county uh to put together the program. We have some teachers here and of course the families to support these really talented students and we appreciate your support as well. Um saving water is highly important. So, it's nice that the children are learning about it and that they are learning so much about it and expressing it through their art as well as words.

Thank you.

And if we could all kind of bunch closer together. And then if I can ask folks, I will give you an opportunity to take a photo, but if you could back up a little bit.

[laughter]

All right, ready? 3 2 All right, and then stay there and you're good. Anyone else? What? Do any parents want to hop in?

Yes, of course.

Teachers?

Sit down.

Hunter's mommy, you coming in?

[laughter]

All right, ready? Ready, 3 2 1. Great. Good job.

[applause]

There's one more.

Well, congratulations.

There you go.

Is this the same thing? Thank you so much.

Now, we're going to go to Iris 3, admitting

[clears throat]

Jeffrey Steinsnyder, Pasco County Attorney, for 18 years of dedicated service to the Board of County Commissioners.

Sit down.

I don't we can leave leave him up here or bring him up forward.

No, he's got to go down here.

down down you go.

[laughter]

No, he's a past Jeff, sorry.

Is his team here?

Yes, they're the attorneys of

I didn't know that.

Lobby.

I don't ever see you standing there.

No, you you I can count on a handful of times that I've been at the podium.

[laughter]

Well, I have the honor of reading your resolution.

This is the first time smiling, Jeff?

[laughter]

At the podium, that is.

Well, when he was hired 18 years ago, I imagine.

[laughter]

All right. Resolution number 26-261, a resolution by the Board of County Commissioners of Pasco County, Florida, commending Jeffrey N. Steinsnyder, Pasco County Attorney, for 18 years of dedicated service to to the Pasco County Board of County Commissioners and the citizens of Pasco County, and congratulating him on his retirement. Whereas the Board of County Commissioners wishes to honor Jeffrey N. Steinsnyder, a board-certified city, county, and local government law attorney, for his 18 years of unwavering dedication, steady leadership, and the profound impact he has made on Pasco County throughout his distinguished career. And whereas during the past 18 years of public service, Mr. Steinsnyder has demonstrated unwavering integrity, exceptional legal expertise, and thoughtful leadership as the legal advisor to the Board of County Commissioners, including 14 County Commissioners and four County Administrators. Woo.

[laughter]

And whereas Mr. Steinsnyder has led a talented team of attorneys whose work spans land use, real estate, torts, code compliance, purchasing, emergency management, state and federal grant grant funds, and contracts for construction services and other public works, guiding them with wisdom, professionalism, and a level of patience that can only be described as superhuman. And whereas Mr. Steinsnyder has provided wise and invaluable counsel to the Board, county departments, and staff, safely navigating many wide-ranging complex matters, including the COVID-19 pandemic response and recovery, revenue bonds, the Spiros Florida Development Florida Development I don't know if it's FLD I'm sorry, Spiers Florida development, sorry. The Spiers Florida development federal and state legislation and declarations of emergency for approximately 15 named storms and hurricanes, issuance of general obligation bonds for expansion of the jail and the waste to energy facilities, parks and recreation projects, library projects and fire rescue projects. And whereas during his time with Pasco County, the second and third penny for Pasco was approved by referendum of the county residents, Ridge Road construction began, four new fire stations opened and 10 rebuilt fire stations were completed. The Pasco County Technology Center was constructed, two new libraries opened and Pasco's population increased by over 213,000 people, making it one of Florida's fastest growing counties throughout which time Mr. Steinsnyder's guidance helped ensure sound legal footing. And whereas through his leadership, the County Attorney's Office accomplished major projects that continue to benefit the county, including but not limited to the restated reorgan re- the restated reorganized and amended land development code in 20 11 and all subsequent amendments, the adoption of mobility fees and other impact fees, the regulation of pill mills, the implementation of school concurrency and the regulation of recreational vehicle parking and dangerous uses of public right-of-ways and elimina- nation of the development review committee. And whereas Mr. Steinsnyder inherited a County Attorney's Office that had outgrown its space where employees routinely tripped over file boxes on their way to their cubicles or offices, and he played a key role in modernizing the office to ensure that staff had a safe, efficient and professional environment in which to work. And whereas Mr. Steinsnyder, well known for his love of jazz mu-

[clears throat]

has his appreciation for fine wines, and the joy he finds in many travel adventures, now embarks on a well-earned chapter of life where he can savor these passions with the time and freedom he so richly deserves. And whereas Mr. Steinsnyder has been a mentor, role model, and trusted advisor to his staff and to the county team members, generously sharing his knowledge, experience, and steady guidance so that his legacy will continue long after his retirement, and his steady leadership, professionalism, depth of knowledge, thoughtful advice, and furrowed brow will be deeply missed by all who have had the privilege of working with him. Now, therefore, be it resolved by the Board of County Commissioners of Pasco County, Florida, that said board hereby commends Jeffrey N. Steinsnyder, Pasco County Attorney, for 18 years of dedicated, impactful service to the citizens of Pasco County, extends its heartfelt appreciation for a career marked by excellence, integrity, and commitment, and congratulates him on a well-deserved retirement filled with joy, adventure, and new memories. Done and resolved in regular session with a quorum present and voting the 16th day of June, 2026.

Move to approve.

Second.

All in favor, say aye.

Aye.

Now, generally speaking, the commission does not have each commissioner speak, but after 18 years, [laughter] I think we're going to just change up for this moment, um, and let each commissioner just kind of talk to Jeff for a moment. Commissioner Commissioner Whitman.

All right, I'm going to speak for Oakley here. I'm kidding. Like a fine wine, Mr. Steinsnyder, like a fine wine. I hope your retirement is just as as good and fun as popping bottles. And thank you for your dedicated service, not just here for Pasco County, but Manatee, uh, however long you were down there, but uh, a career in public service is not easy. Um and for you to to choose that path of work is very much appreciated by people on both sides of the podium. So, thank you for keeping us out of trouble. Thanks for guiding your team. And thank you for all you've done for us. And I hope you have a fantastic next chapter. Thank you, sir.

Thank you, Mr. Turkey.

Well, who's going to be my Sarasota shuttle?

[laughter]

So So, you know that red that pork recipe that you have that's so good. He's the one that bought the that orange

Yes.

that naranja?

Mhm.

He gets it for me in Sarasota. [laughter] I don't know how you're going to make it now.

I know. I have one wonderful bottle left. Um I want to thank you for um gosh, 18 years. I haven't been here for 18 years, but um you've had me on both sides of you.

[laughter]

And um I just so appreciate your friendship and your dedication to the county. And it's been a real pleasure working with you. And um I uh I hope maybe I'll see you down at Sarasota when I go down there visit my son when he's visiting. So, have a great time in whatever you're doing next. And um it's just been a pleasure.

Thank you.

Congratulations. And I want to say after all of that, they forgot the cats. You're going to get to spend time with your cats and drink your wine. But, in all seriousness, thank you for everything. Your service to our county and also being my tablemate. I always joke that anything I need, Jeff just has it and whips it right out. So, um you will be missed. And I hope you enjoy this next chapter cuz it's well deserved.

Mr. Cabello.

Yeah, Jeff um golly, great great career. Outlasted four administrators. I'm I'm thought [laughter] about bringing Gallagher here for this to see if see if he wanted to pay, but he said no. So, no, I'm kidding. I never said

[laughter]

You know, the first time I I remember the first time I really met you, I was uh we were negotiating the 4G Ranch deal and um uh I I don't think I had that superhuman patience that uh that they spoke of. I was

I wondered about that.

I was

[laughter]

there. I had a death stare at some idea that I floated that only rivaled the stare that my wife gives me if if she's upset with me. But um you know, Jeff, uh I you know, we we we got through that and what I learned is is that you were very solution-oriented. We came up with ways to to do things and I've seen that over, you know, my 12 years in service and and I certainly would not be able to have tackled even even being here as as administrator uh without without you, without the wisdom that you've brought and and especially your friendship, which is what I will miss the most. And so I I I thank you for that. I wish you all the best um and and I just uh pray you keep in touch and uh let us know how things are going. So, thank you.

Thank you.

Good luck.

Thank you. Well, Jeff, um I just want to say that I appreciate appreciate you. And we've had we've worked on a couple of things since I've been in the clerk's office since 2007. And you have been very helpful with our board records team as well. We have lots of questions and I know that we can always count on you to give us the right guidance. And I'm always so impressed by the knowledge that you have just on the tips of your fingers on whatever subject that either comes before this board or that my team or I have called you on. Um and you just know it. And can point us in the right direction. And you're like you've you're leading such a great team of attorneys and legal professionals that I know that when you are gone, we're going to be okay because you have developed an excellent team. Um and I think that just from listening, they work very well with the county departments, but they also work very well with my office. So, I greatly appreciate appreciate that and I appreciate your leadership and your professionalism. So, thank you.

Thank you. Jeff, I'd like to say being here when you first came in, I think we made a great decision picking you as our attorney. You've done a phenomenal job. Your credibility is impeccable. You've always given us good leadership to good guidance to keep us out of trouble, make the right decisions, and give us whatever background information we need to make sure we're making good calls. So, I want to thank you for your 18 years and I just wish you have I just hope you have a great time in retirement.

Thank you very much. You can't do it without a team behind you.

[laughter]

Um and you know, when I when I first got here Mr. Gallagher and I had a conversation when one of the commissioners was angry at me about something and he said to me something that still sticks with me. He goes, "If one of the board members is mad at you, it's not a problem. They have to find two more to be mad at you for it to be a problem." And I, you know, I have tried to give you all the best advice I can regardless of whether it was going to be received well. Um but I it it truly has been a pleasure to work with 14 commissioners over the over the period of time. Um you know, when I I nearly didn't think I was going to get the job. Um you know, when they originally called me for an interview, I had a conflict in Charlotte County and I told them I can't make the interview. And they said, "Well, that's all that's available." I said, "I'm sorry. I've got a I've got a commitment to my other my current local government was a CDD my current local government and hung up and thought that's over with about an hour later they called and said could you do it if we do it at 9:00 in the morning I went yeah I can do that and it's all it just goes to show that if it's meant to be it's meant to be and I have enjoyed my my time here and I'm leaving you with a great chief assistant that will be your next county attorney and will continue to lead the office in a manner that will make the board proud

I'm very I'm very happy that you have set up a great team because that's a succession plan is critical David's going to do a great job stepping in and I think the rest of the team is doing a great job and I'll think we'll continue on in a great fashion so thank you again for your leadership

come out and take a picture I'll walk you this way

[applause] [laughter]

all right BACK TO WORK.

[laughter]

OH, THAT'S FUNNY. OKAY. CATHERINE JUST SAID, "WHO AM I going to get my hands on?"

[laughter]

Jared, you want to pull C4 since folks are here? You want to pull C4 since folks are here?

Um yes, we have time. Just handful or more.

Holy cow.

Okay, the next order of business is consent agenda. We have items C31, C41, C33. And we're going to pull item C4 for the Faith and Family Month's resolution. Are there any other items to be pulled from the consent agenda? If not, we have a motion.

Move.

Second.

All in favor, say I. I. Okay. And now

[laughter]

I.

Very good. Thank you.

Good job.

You like that C4 pull. All right, good. All right, so those who here for Family and Faith Month, please come forward. Uh Please read the resolution.

Okay.

Yeah.

I'll go ahead and

Mayor Hoover and Vice Mayor

All right, I'll go ahead and read the resolution. Resolution number 26-262, a resolution by the Board of County Commissioners of Pasco County, Florida, declaring June 2026 as faith and family month in Pasco County. Whereas faith is not just a cornerstone, but the very foundation of the of the Pasco County community, providing the moral compass of strength, hope, and guidance for most of its residents. And whereas the Christian faith and Christian ethics played a vital role in defining and shaping the constitutional values of unconditional love, service, and unity that contributes that contribute to the well-being of Pasco County. And whereas the family unit became the initial God-ordained earthly institution providing the foundational model for a thriving society fostering strong moral character, compassion, and responsibility now and in the future generations. And whereas the month of June is also a time our nation honors fathers through the observance of Father's Day, which acknowledges the father's role as pillars and the bedrock of strength, wisdom, and leadership for their family and to serve a much-needed societal influence throughout communities. And whereas as the United States approaches the 250th anniversary of American independence, it is fitting to remember and celebrate the enduring foundations that helped shape our nation, including faith, families, and responsible fathers in cultivating the character, stability, and future strength of our communities. And whereas by honoring these virtues, we strengthen families, honor fathers and mothers, and embrace the faith that calls us to serve one another with love and compassion. Now therefore, be it resolved by the Board of County Commissioners of Pasco County, Florida that said board hereby declares June 2026 as Faith, Family, and Responsible Fatherhood Month in Pasco County. Done and resolved in regular session with a quorum present and voting the 16th day of June 2026.

Approval.

Second.

All in favor say aye.

Aye.

Okay.

[laughter]

We've got a lot of good support out there. We like it. Um You know, we're we're very happy to have this resolution come forward. We generally don't do extra resolutions and this was on consent to make sure we did get it passed, but Commissioner Whitman, thank you for bringing it forward to bring it to my attention and actually make it it's a good move. We get time to get it done, so if I could, Pastor Troy.

Mr. Mayor. Mr. Mayor. Just want to thank you all for your leadership. I think this is very important for the county. Um I said we we did it in the city and we're just thank thankful you guys are following suit. Thank you.

Pastor Troy, Pastor Lord. Anyone?

Hey Peg. Wait, let's let's let one of the the older pastors, you know, thank you sir.

A pastor afraid to get to a mic. I can't believe it.

[laughter]

Well, first of all, I want to say what a great job you guys have done. I've been in the county now for 25 or more years and I've attended the county commission meeting one time. But I've kept up with you pretty much. But today two things are changing. I will be at more of the commission meetings. But I want to just simply say once again how much I thank you and how much I appreciate you. I know your job is extremely difficult. But you have accomplished so much and in this county that is ex- has exceeding growth. I drive through it and I wonder, I could never do your job. And again, thank you for doing it and thank you for taking time to approve this faith and family month because it is so needed in our culture, so needed in Pasco County. Thank you again.

Thank you. Could Pastor, could you state your name for the record, please?

I didn't know.

Your name?

My name, uh Jim Pickens. I'm pastor of House of Faith in Hudson, address 9223 Duffer Court, Hudson, Florida.

Thank you.

You're welcome.

Thank you for your kind words, also.

Yeah.

All right. Anyone else? We're good. Okay. All right. We limit the chairman to two, so we gave him his third one today.

[laughter] [laughter]

Ready? 3 2 1.

[applause]

Okay. Chair, since I pulled C4, I'll move approval on the item. You okay? Have a motion, have a second?

Second.

All in favor say aye.

Aye.

Thank you. And now we'll go to item C31. One of my favorites. Thank you, Michelle Whitman.

[laughter]

Thank you, Chair. Yes. So, C31, uh I'll pull it, but Com- Commissioner Mariano, you're district, so you want to talk about it?

very, very happy to see that we're moving forward with the design and post-design services. Uh there were some tweaks that we made back about a month ago with the team. It's moving forward, so it's going to get done and it's going to be a great improvement for that whole area.

Yep. Sidewalks at work here. So, with that I move approval of C-31, Chair.

Second.

All in favor say aye.

Aye.

Any opposed? Then I'll go to C-33. Uh C-33

Oh, that was just had the wrong district number on it.

Yeah.

Nice.

Boom. We talked about 33?

Yes.

Yep.

Good morning, Commissioner. Will Purnell, PE, Transportation Engineering Department. And for item C-33, there was a minor typographical error that we revised and corrected and resubmitted this morning. Thank you.

Can you state on the record what that correction was?

I'm sorry.

The state on the record what the correction was, please.

It was uh correcting the commissioner district to the right number designation.

I'll move approval for C-33.

Second.

All in favor say aye.

Aye.

Any opposed? Okay, Commissioner Whitman, C-41.

Yes, C-41 is a

Thank you.

Sean McGarvey's here, but just wanted to call out and say thank you to the anonymous donor, right, anonymous donor of $10,000 to our library system. And so, if if that person or family or whomever is is listening, uh Pasco County, we're we're very grateful for your donation to our our public library system and helping us provide all sorts of fun activities uh for our community.

Uh Sean McGarvey, library director. Yes, sir, it was an anonymous donor. She moved up from south in the state and uh joined the friends and realized that they did not have enough electronic audiobooks for comfy mysteries and wanted to help the book clubs, so she bought about 150 worth with that donation.

Wow.

That's awesome.

So, with that I I move approval for the uh for the donation to our library system of C-41.

Okay, we have a motion and a second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? And again, thank you for the for the generous donor. Uh Commissioner Starkey, is there something you want to talk about?

Yeah, I just wanted to call your attention to C-20, something I've been hoping could get fixed in the whole time I I've lived here, and that is um connecting Anaconda to Amazon. It's one of the three areas that I know of on this side where we've had I don't know if you want to call them spike strips or whatever, um but will greatly uh improve the circulation in that community. They won't have to go out to Little Road and all the way around or Starkey. So, um we uh negotiated hard with the commissioner from Pinellas County on that purchase, but uh I'm just really glad we're getting this one done. We're also getting working on the connection to Pepin, and one more in my district, um out by Holiday Rec, um which is a really crazy one. So, um So, just grateful that we're getting C-20 done.

Yeah, great work. Great work to the team. Okay. Now, move to item R-46, potable wastewater and reclaimed water master plans.

Good morning, commissioners. Adolfo Gonzales, Utilities Engineering and Contract Management Director. This morning, we'd like to brief you on the updates we did to the water, wastewater, and reclaimed water master plans. Uh we do that about every four to five years. Uh Jim Shannon is the manager of our Capital Planning uh group. He's going to walk you through that presentation. We also have your entire leadership team here. If you have any questions uh regarding how the master plan was put together or any data behind the master plan. Thank you.

All right, commissioners. I'll be presenting the results of our master plans for our potable water, wastewater, and reclaimed water. Some of the topics we'll be going through going through the purpose, background, our population projections, and then the three master plan results, and the key takeaways and next steps. So, overall purpose of master plans, master plans are the foundation for the development of utility infrastructure to meet the future needs of the of our utility customers. So, the primary driver of these particular master plans we did was the the massive development growth that we've that we are undertaking. This addresses um Pasco County strategic plan priority one, which is the demands for rapid growth. This is a high-level planning document which only identifies major backbone infrastructure needed for the planning periods. It's typically updated every five years, but we can do it more frequently. So, just a little bit of background, we started this master planning process in FY 24, and we wanted to do all three master plans concurrently because they all interrelate to one one another. We have three planning horizons, the five-year, short-term five-year, medium-term is 10-year, and long-term 20-year. And uh the uh the master plans, the the key output of the master plans is to identify what our uh growth projects are our CIP growth projects. And it's also going to provide input to our connection fee study, which should be uh next year. So, this isn't the latest uh pres- This I don't think this is the latest one I had, but I I can still go through it. Sorry about that.

[snorts]

This was yesterday afternoon. Okay. All right. That looks That looks better. Um So, with these uh master plans uh to to uh to come up with your uh future demands, you need to start with our population uh forecast. So, um when we're trying to decide which forecast we use, we wanted to uh use what everybody else is using. So, we used the approved uh countywide population forecast uh that that were done by the Pasco County Metropolitan Planning Organization or MPO. Um this provides consistency with other departments, uh transportation engineering, as well as our planning uh department. This just an excerpt uh uh diagram from the uh the long-range transportation plan by MPO. And this just shows uh where the areas of of of growth are going to be taken. This the these this particular master plan uh divides the geographical areas into what are called traffic analysis zones or TAZs. Uh so, that's how you distribute the population. Um and this is an excerpt from from our potable water master plan for uh 2035, uh, where we go into a little more granularity, uh, in in the in the areas which we we develop what we're called service polygons. And what we do is they take that those service polygons using the population projections information as well as other, uh, MPU development [clears throat] information that we have and and we identify the distribution of that population within these service, uh, polygons. So, first we're going through the the potable water master plan. So, this, uh, this diagram shows you the growth in our potable water demands. We're currently on average day, uh, delivering 40 million gallons per day of potable water. Um, this diagram shows on an average day basis, which which is the blue line at the bottom, that we are uh, projected to more than double our potable average day potable water delivery over the next 20 years. Uh, the other two lines are we we we also have to look at, in in addition to average day demands, we have to look at max maximum maximum day as well as peak hour, uh, demands.

Hold on one second, Commissioner Wayman.

I'll wait till Sorry, Chair. I'll wait till you're done with your

Is that because of population growth?

presentation.

Yes.

So, uh, and the reason we we have to look at those those the the max day as well as peak hours, most of our facilities are designed, uh, for those for those demands, not the average day. Did you want Did you want to talk?

Yeah. Yes, sir. Uh, Chair May I

Yes. Commissioner Wayman.

So, to that So, to your potable water demand, uh, is there any way to, um, define consumption, human consump- you know, daily use of consumption versus how much potable water is being used to water lawns within that within that demand need.

Um, what we

is wasted on water and grass and all versus, you know, what we actually need it for of the potable supply

The way the way they come up with the way they come up with the demands is it is taking the population projections and then and then we convert the populations to to uh equivalent residential units using like a a factor of 2.49 persons per home. So, then you come up with your equivalent residential units. And then we have a factor uh our level of service factor for potable water is 215 gallons per day per ERU. And we've tracked that and we've been pretty close to that. And that's that's uh o- over the past it's it's fairly close to that unitary uh demand per ERU 215. So, basically what we're doing is we're multiplying the projected number of ERUs by the 215. So, the 215 in- includes homes that that currently uh have uh use potable water that don't have reclaimed water and and and those that do.

So, what's the difference between uh the folks who on are are on a reclaim line on their average gallons per head versus those who aren't on a reclaim line? Do we know that? You say if it's 215, is it you know, 175 for the folks that are on reclaim? Like, what's the delta?

Yes, it it it it would I I could get you the I could get you the figure, but yes, it it would be lower. That that that that's an that's an overall average. But, it would be it would be lower.

Joe, y'all y'all know where I'm going with this, right?

Yes.

Purple pipe and

Right.

So, um Joseph Amoah, utilities director. So, the high-level way to determine it is um the demand is about 40 million gallons per day and the flows that come out of our plants we treat every day is around 27, 28. So, pretty much the the the delta it goes to irrigating lawns and um that is lost and that is also lost through flushing and other means.

I have a whole lot of ideas to surrounded by that to get that average daily use down. It probably comes into board policy, but thank you for that detail.

Okay, so the uh key findings recommendations from our potable water master plan are that our existing supply and transmission infrastructure is inadequate to meet the growth demands in in the the the larger growth area, especially the Villages of Pasadena Hills and the SR 52 corridor um in the in the short term. Uh therefore, a significant investment in water facilities and water transmission lines are needed in both the 5-year and 10-year plan periods to be able to accommodate that uh projected growth. And um our master plan is also uh we are recommending a new uh point of connection with Tampa Bay Water um in an area further into the county um along some larger transmission mains to address uh more of the longer term growth.

Okay. And Commissioner Starkey?

Um can you go back to the previous map? Um not that one. Sorry, the one before it. The the map with the little blue all the different blue here. There. Um just a question and when we went over this, I had this question, too. Is that dark blue and that light blue? Is any of that 4G Ranch that's north of 52 by Aaron Cutoff?

No.

No, so is that uh Palmetto Ridge?

Yes.

And the other one? So, 4G Ranch is north of 52. Yes. Yes. You can see like Angeline there and

north of 52.

Yes.

Angeline south of 52. Okay. So, it was taken out. You're sure that's not 4G Ranch?

Yeah. No, we No, we don't have any uh

Okay.

4G's west of uh

The map that they got from the MPO

Yeah, can you go back one more?

And I don't know if you changed it from what what

Well, that that's that's a uh

I meant to talk to them about this.

This is out of their report, so it be be in

Yeah, this this this mis- this map has a lot of mistakes on it. If you look, they've included um Where did what Seth go? Oh, okay. Um so, they've got uh Albar and Crossbar being developed here. They have um the 4,000 acres of Starkey Ranch that was mitigated for Suncoast Parkway on here. Um I So, there are some well fields on here that um you can see um I think that protected land that Commissioner Schrader and uh you know, south of 52 is on here. So, this this map is way off. It needs to be corrected.

Okay.

So, you didn't go by that map.

We We We utilize this as a base, but we got into more uh detailed information where we actually have uh known developments. So, as you can see here, those particular areas you just mentioned don't have any

I'm just concerned that our MPO map is so incorrect.

Yes, ma'am. Just wanted to share that with you guys.

So, if if this is an issue uh MPO So, I think it's something we need to as we take this plan, let's go back and re-look at the data. Uh

[clears throat]

are we getting the right numbers? Are they Are these projections accurate? Cuz if they're not, we might want to adjust what we're doing.

I think what he's saying is is he did not you did not utilize the MPO map necessarily as as a foundation. It was one of many population projections that you used and then looked at development patterns to solidify the blue map, Gina.

To solidify the blue map, which are areas that we know where where development and more intense development is coming, which is which is where your water demand is.

Right, where we had more accurate information where we actually have development submitted. We We have a in our GIS, we've got a developments layer where we show all the approved MPUDs and

Yeah, I think this is like the map that we have it that I have printed in our in our office in the back.

So, where we have that more accurate information, we use that with with other areas that we don't have that, then we would go with the uh with the MPO uh numbers.

Uh but I mean, you're going on just what's been approved. What about what could be upcoming that's going through the process or could be coming through the process? I mean, there's there's developments up in Hudson area that I don't think you're accounting for. Um

[clears throat]

Sorry, let me just I just I just don't know how accurate this information is based upon our big plan.

It depends. I Remember we this we started this 2 years ago, so the data is it is it this we can't keep updating it as we go with the results. We We finished the master plan uh at the end of uh at the end of 2025, so um the work that we're been had been doing was mostly done in FY 24, so if you've got some more recent developments, if they wouldn't be necessarily included in this master plan.

So, if you're not accounting for what's actually occurring based upon past information of what you've got, I don't know if that's the best information to go forward to figure what's really going to happen out there. And if we're going to make these big investments, etc., we need to know is this going to go this way or do we think it might go the other way? And and and maybe that may take a meeting with growth management to sit down and actually take a look at what what's going on in these areas.

So, Commissioner Joseph Amwa, Utilities Director again.

So, the plan that was developed really looked at the 20 years. So, we look at um existing and then the future projections. Um I believe what the team the data the team used reflected um what is um been approved, what exist, and what we're looking for in the next 20 years. Now, the the key about this master plan is we're going to be updating it um very so often as and when development expand. So, we're going to be updating it in the next 3 years of 3 to 5 years. Um but, I'm very confident that the data that we use reflect um what has been the existing population and what we're projecting to be.

Commissioner Wayman.

[clears throat]

Population growth.

So, based on that, City of Tampa by 2032-ish, plus or minus a couple of years, they're going to have to stop dumping their 50 million gallons a day of reclaimed into

60.

60 million gallons a day into Tampa Bay.

Yeah.

And so, they're going to have to find a use for that reclaimed water. And quite frankly, I hope we're it. And I think within this plan, there needs to be a reclaimed plan. If we're projecting out 20 years, right? You're planning for 20 years, I I'm hopeful that we can have some real discussions with our neighbors to the south in the city of Tampa, that we can capture their reclaimed as a resource, which from my understanding talking with you all would be enough reclaimed supply to supply all the lawn watering needs or a big or bulk of it throughout our county, which means we're not watering landscape with potable water, which theoretically would bring that average use down, right? Of of of of per household. So, I know that that's obviously going to be wildly expensive, but if we're coming up with a 20-year plan, knowing that City of Tampa has has a has to come up with a solution here in the within that time frame, uh I'd like to somewhat incorporate incorporate uh some level of plan with within this uh cost or what we're going to have to spend because I think can't speak for the board but seemingly we we don't want to waste potable water uh and and they have a resource that we need and it's incredibly valuable and I I'd hate to see it continue to go to waste and being just just dumped into the bay or or wherever. So um

Yeah, commissioner to a point No, to your point yes, we we're looking at all that. The The great thing about this team is that we look at um as we're going through the planning phases, we're looking at things more holistically. Um and I think we already have that conversation. We initiated that conversation with the city of Tampa about a year ago. You can speak to it.

Yes, we we've we've met with the we've met with the city of Tampa and uh to discuss what what you were just talking about and um they have no interest in in uh sending potable water to Pasco County.

Not potable, they're reclaimed.

I'm I'm sorry I'm sorry re- reclaimed reclaimed water.

Well, they have a problem and they have to comply with state law and we're hope I'm hopeful that that we we we can be some level of solution for them and they'd be paid for their use. So hopefully the city of Tampa has a change of thought.

Okay, right. Yeah, cuz they're right now they're they're plan they're plan is to do a deep well injection.

we

That's such a waste.

the river what to shore up the the river? Tampa Hillsborough River?

That's that's another option is to uh bring up the levels of the Hillsborough River but that requires additional treatment but but right now they they consider it a valuable resource and even though um I know that their their council um did not want it to want to go the uh the direct or indirect potable uh reuse route um a couple years ago. Um they they're still looking at it as a valuable resource that they can use in the future and that uh they're not interested in delivering that water to us right now.

Well, I I hope we don't give up asking. The worst thing The worst response we can receive as a city is a no. But I I think there's value in continuing to ask if if we can help them with their

Yeah.

reclaim help them use their reclaim water and who knows, maybe there'll be a change of heart and a willingness, but it's it it'd be such such a nice addition to our

And we did a planning level estimate like it in case they were willing to uh either sell or uh provide reclaim water and uh just like a planning level estimate about $200 million to to bring that uh reclaim water uh to Pasco County.

So, let me give you a little background as well. When I first was elected, when I found out it was 55 million gallons a day being dumped into the bay. Um the bay may actually come back on the sea grass. It was getting better and better cuz they did some advanced treatment. But it's now gone backwards. And now the Old Tampa Bay they just they're spending millions now to take a look at. I've recently found out in the past couple years that there's two other cities actually dumping reclaim water per se into that bay as well. That's not certainly not helping. I think if we're going to make a solution, we got to do something different than before. Cuz when Mayor Buckhorn was in there before, he said, "No, we're going to keep this. We're going to do something else with it." Now that we have the data that we found we took our reclaim water and pumped it up in the 4G Rancher with that project, it raised water levels. And I think it increases flow if you can do that. I was saying we should take that water all over to Cross Bar and maybe it takes a different type of structure of a deal to work with the city. Maybe it's going to take something to say, "Look, Swiftmud is now spending money on now water resources. You've got 55 million gallon, you got other millions there. Maybe they should look at taking that reclaimed water, pumping it into northern Pasco, make up fresh water fields flush, and then let Tampa Bay water from there pump the water back up down and let Mother Nature do more treatment on it. That may be an approach that might work, and especially if the city gets a benefit cuz they got to buy so much water from us. Like if they only take so much out of Hillsborough River when the flows are low, if this increases those flows, it makes it easier for them. Or we even just do a straight deal with them, so let them buy the water cheaper. But it's going to take a bigger conversation. You can't just have the same approach and expect a different result. My opinion.

Okay, so the short answer is yes. We hear you. We're going to be dialoguing with the city of Tampa to look at the options on how we can get that done.

Yeah, just just don't get discouraged.

Yeah, sure.

Don't get discouraged.

about that when I was on the water management board. At that time we were working on a pipe to bring that water up to Pasco. That was 20 years ago.

I was thinking Two Rivers would be the perfect project to start it because it's Hillsborough and Pasco.

And in the '90s, Manatee was under a uh discussions with the city of Tampa to bring the same water south to them.

Then Polk was going to get it.

[laughter]

They've been talking about it for

they're consistent. They're consistent in their no.

All right, I just want to bring up a couple of of the big potable projects that are identified in the master plan. Uh so the first one is we we need to get more water into our system. So uh So the the first project that we're looking at is expanding the Lake Bridge Point of connection. So, the Lake Bridge point of connection is down uh at the county South County Line. It's just located just east of Interstate 75.

[snorts]

And uh and west of Bruce B. Downs. And so, what we're proposing to do is expand that the Tampa Bay waters uh Lake Bridge uh point of connection pump pumping capacity and then construct a large diameter transmission line from the the Lake Bridge point of connection over to our southeast uh water treatment plant. And then, what we would do is eventually we would uh convert that water treatment plant uh into a repump station. And then, also and then we'd have transmission means coming out of there and then delivering that water up into the VOPH area so that we can get more water supply up there to meet their peak demands. Uh another project uh that's short term projects that I've identified is is getting water up up to the uh SR 52 corridor. Uh So, we've got projects going on right now uh on SR 52 where we are participating with the with the developers to construct uh infrastructure on 52. Uh they're trying to beat the uh F dot uh deadline for the uh expansion. So, that construction is actually going on right now. We're doing a a a cost sharing agreement with the those developers. But, we'll also need to uh construct additional transmission lines down the Aaron Cutoff. And eventually, we we want to tie over back to uh US 41 near our uh Tampa Bay water point of connection at that point so we can have more deliver water delivered up into that area. Uh longer term I I've mentioned uh we've that one of the things we had identified is is a new Tampa Bay Water Point of Connection. And so in our master plan they identified a potential location which would be they call it Cypress Creek. That that name is not official or anything. That's just the the name we gave it. And we would propose to have that located near Tampa Bay Water's infrastructure near their water treatment plant off of Aaron Cutoff. But there could be other options as well and uh And and one of the things Tampa Bay Water requires if if we're going to request a new point of connection, they need a either a a letter or a memorandum of understanding from our Board of County Commissioners to to formally request a a new point of connection so they can dedicate the resources for the planning design and construction of of the point of connection. And we we have drafted up a letter from the board that we'll be presenting at a at a future meeting.

Which study?

A question on the Aaron Cutoff line. So you would be digging a trench in the right away to put that pipe in?

Yes, again this is just a planning level. This is not a detailed route study but that's the general route we would follow.

have a presentation without the word trail in it. So uh So if you're And I'm just wondering there's there's there are no sidewalks on Aaron Cutoff. Right? Um Uh But we also have Collier Parkway coming up right near there. Is that correct?

The extension.

Yeah, so

The route study is underway currently.

Yeah, so I would just throw out one of two things. If you do go up Aaron Cutoff, can we get a sidewalk on top of it so people can move around safely? Or does it make more financial financial sense to put this instead of tearing up along Aaron, put it along Collier? So.

I think from a planning level it's they're they're equal to utilities, so I think they can coordinate with Ted on that.

looking at the $50 million for it. For that one. So if we get some more benefit out of it, then that would be good. Cuz I don't know how much right Are you having to buy right away along Aaron for that? It's not much there.

I mean there's existing right-of-way there. Again, it uh there need to be a more detailed route study to identify any any shortfalls of of right-of-way easements. Uh so this is overall summary uh from the potable water master plan. Uh this is just some of the projects that I went through and and and a and a few others. It's uh their 5-year summary um estimate is about 259 million dollars of uh potable water projects. And um and in our 10-year um uh summary estimating 197 million dollars uh for for projects.

Let me stop you just for a second. So look at that Lake Bridge connection. It's down in Is that in Hillsborough County?

Uh uh the Lake Bridge it's in Pasco County just across the Hillsborough County.

Used to be my district way back when.

I mean is that the best way to to run the water or should we take a look at going from north to south? Cuz you're going to be passing some developments along the way as well.

Okay.

Please also keep in mind that right now Tampa Bay Water is drilling an experimental well in the northeastern part of our county uh near Christian Powerline Roads. If that turns out to be a good groundwater source supply, that point of connection might be somewhere between that Christian Road side and the Tampa Bay water side on a uh pump station road off of Aaron. So, it's somewhere in the generally eastern part of the county that we need additional water supply.

Well, I'm going to be I'm going to I'm going to caution the board as far as that comes forward, too, because I think we've heard a lot of comments about data center with water supply, etc. You try to put a well up there, well, all those people are on their own well systems, there could be some issues coming up.

All right, so the next uh master plan wastewater master plan. And uh this this uh table just shows the the status of our existing uh wastewater treatment facilities, showing what their uh permitted capacity is and and what flows are currently using. As you can see, many of our treatment plants are uh nearing capacity. So, some of the we we have some uh expansions that are currently in progress. The southeast uh wastewater treatment facility is being expanded from three to uh uh 6 million gallons per day, and that is uh that project is at substantial completion. And uh Land O' Lakes uh Land O' Lakes water wastewater treatment facility, uh that uh plant is undergoing an expansion from 3.5 to 5 million gallons per day, and uh that's uh currently under contract with a progressive design builder. Uh the design is completed, and uh it's the construction is actually to be completed by year 2029. Uh the cost of that was provided by the progressive design builders 157 million, approximately. Um that cost in although that cost includes uh upgrading the existing, uh, 3.5 uh, million gallon, uh, plant to advanced treatment.

That's a requirement, right? Advanced treatment. [clears throat]

Do Do you know that like this is Is Is advanced treatment an actual requirement now or is that, uh, or is that it's still on the, uh,

It's not an actual requirement right now, but it is where we are discharging reclaimed water within the Weeki Wachee, uh, basin area. So, in those areas we're required to lower nitrogen levels to a certain amount and the only way to do that is with advanced treatment. What we're trying to discern right now is whether we need all the wastewater plants to go to advanced treatment or only the ones that discharge reclaimed water to the Weeki Wachee basin. So, then that would minimize uh, future costs as well.

And if I could, what are the What are the cost differences percentage-wise going from advanced wastewater to regular?

Um, we anticipate that expanding an existing plant without advanced treatment is somewhere in the 30, uh, dollars per gallon range, whereas the advanced treatment portion, uh, where we're expanding existing plants, adding an advanced treatment component, that could be anywhere from 60 to 100 dollars, uh, per gallon additional for the advanced treatment part of it.

That's a big number.

That's a huge number.

[laughter]

So, if if we're looking at these plants and as far as No. Come back. Okay.

He's got some There Did you add the chart that I asked for? Is it in here or I can email it to my fellow commission. It's the It's the total It's the total numbers. Is that in here?

Yes.

Okay.

Okay, so um we also have identified uh some two other uh wastewater treatment facilities that need uh expansion in the coming years. Uh Wesley Center wastewater treatment facility uh we've identified uh a need to expand that facility from 9 million gallons per day to 13.5. Uh that that expansion is currently again with a uh progressive design-build uh it's in the selection process uh expected to start design later this calendar year. And uh based on a a 4-year uh design design and construction schedule uh expected completion uh approximately uh 2031. And uh again using a planning uh level construction cost uh for that expansion would be approximately $285 million. Um um that cost does not include uh upgrading the existing facility to advanced treatment. That's just the um that's just the cost of the expansion. And then um Shady Hills um that is uh planned for expansion from 14 to 21 million gallons per day. Um based on our based on the uh report our master plan report uh uh flows uh that ex- that expansion is shows that it's needed by year approximately year 2032, although uh we we may be able to do some flow diversions uh between plants that would that could allow that expansion to be deferred by 1 to 2 years. And that uh planning level construction cost is approximately $455 million. Again, that does not include uh the cost of upgrading the existing facility to advance treatment.

Commissioner Weven, thank you.

[clears throat]

So, based on projections, should the So, should the the property tax referendum pass? I wouldn't be surprised if it opened the floodgates for more people to move to Florida that way they could get on the 5-year waiting list. Um they're going to want to start their clock, right? Like they're going to want their homestead exemption. So, I would not be at all surprised if the if the property tax item passed it there'll be another wave of a pile of folks continuing to move to Florida for not short-term, but for years to come, right? Do we have or are we capable of capturing any type of data that could project with some level of accuracy the a migration level. We had the you know, the great COVID migration of folks moving here when COVID was going on. Uh but folks are continuing to move to Florida because of taxes, but if the property tax referendum passes, um I just it's going to add more and more folks coming into the state and Tampa Bay area and Pasco. So, it'd be nice if if there was a way to have some sort of gross projection of folks moving here from the state or wherever, even if it's loose. I mean, even if it's incredibly conservative, but some level of of guidance, uh I think would be helpful as we're looking towards the future with this type of work because it's it will be back at the table again come 2035, you know? So.

I hadn't thought of that. I We discussed [snorts] that in our meeting yesterday and just, you know, how how would we even be able to keep up with that?

I'll I'll throw something else that I was talking about as well. You know, the Hudson plants have been shut down. Uh we're working on demolishing it now. We've got land up there along Denton uh that was set up for ribs. Is that being used at all? Those ribs?

The The ribs is a permitted facility and they they are being used. Uh they if if it if needed.

I'm sorry?

They are They are It is a permitted facility that we depend on for wet weather uh flows.

Okay. Is there So, when you take that, you take this waste water, treat it, and you just pump it into the soil, correct?

Yes.

I I just wonder is if we're taking that, can we use that for reclaimed water instead of just pumping it into the ground?

It Well, fir- first of all, it it's it's it's not that much. Um it's it's and it's only during the an extreme uh wet wet time of the year when there isn't a a demand for reclaimed water.

Mhm.

So.

It's a storage issue.

Yes.

Have we looked at trying to improve our storage?

Well, they said the ROI wasn't good. Right?

We We Uh when I get to the uh reclaimed water, I there's a little bloop on the storage there.

cons- consider we now get revenue from this reclaimed water. I'm looking at these numbers and they're absolutely phenomenal. Not even advanced waste water in that bottom one. I mean, if there's if there's something more efficient to be done with smaller plants along the way, maybe we should be taking a look at that as as this advanced waste water treatment plant with that number compared to if you found a better way to go use it to reclaim water, maybe that's a better way to actually instead of having to do the advanced wastewater, if we can put it into reclaim water, would we be better off?

We are improving the storage for our reclaim water system. Just today you approved a task order to look at designing another storage tank at the Southeast just so that we can balance our daytime production of reclaim water with nighttime irrigation flows. We're also looking at optimizing the storage volume in our Boyette reservoir to maximize that storage volume there to send out to wastewater customers. Our priority is to send that reclaim water to wastewater customers, but when they don't need it, we still have to discharge it somewhere and that's what the the ribs are for.

All right, but just like right now I live over in Beacon Woods and on the golf course. They haven't been spraying much water at all. All of a sudden we have 2 days of rain and they have just sprayed it all day long to go to make up for the shortage. Um ponds have gotten low pretty much everywhere I've been out and around and through the summer, especially toward the end, there's got to be a lot. There's still people out there if there's reclaim water and you can say you've got the extra storage, the people would use it. So, I don't know why you need to store it because right now there's such a demand for it and you can't meet keep up with the demand with all the pipes we've got in the ground anyway. People are dying for more. They will they will use it, especially if it means doing it. So, as far as just having storage areas we just dump it in the ground, I think people are trying to use it anyway, might be better off. Yeah, chair.

I mean

Wait

We're We're 50 million gallons short a day to meet reclaim need right now, aren't we? Is that what was in our briefing?

That is the projected shortfall, yes, based on the same level of demand that we have now.

But what Okay, where's your chart that shows the cost of of storing it? Didn't Didn't you say that that was very very very expensive? Storing the reclaim would cost. Maybe I missed No.

I don't think there was a storage cost.

Okay, well, let him let him go on and then cuz I I I want to say something about the Newport Richey wastewater treatment facility. Oh, where's the wait Newport Richey one?

I'm sorry that

Didn't you have the Newport Richey Where's the Newport Richey uh wastewater treatment facility on your

Okay. There There's a here.

There are two

This This shows the current uh uh wastewater treatment facilities this which shows their uh permitted capacity and as well as what flow is any two Newport Richey is uh that's that's a uh that's not a Pasco County facility. It's owned by Newport Newport Richey. We have an agreement for them to treat uh 3 million gallons per day. Is this the Is this what you were

what I was saying. I just want to remind you all that um thanks to um Speaker Sprouse at the end of that legislative year might have been this last year, I'm not sure. We got what $3 million and we sleeved all the leaking pipes in Gulf Harbors and it was having serious saltwater intrusion that was swamping the Newport Richey plant. So, we gained a lot more capacity when we um sleeved all those pipes. So, that was a really good project.

Let me ask this question about that. So, I'm looking at that slide and I didn't pick up on it when we had our meeting, but you say the permit capacity is 3 million. The plant is at 2.7 2.07. But, I I I recall from a slide show that they were like they were like five or 600,000 dollars over capacity. I know we talked I think when David Allen was still there, we talked about getting some lines in there to go run them out to take take out the reclaimed water that's there. Did that those had those lines in place now, and that's what's dropped us down. So,

the capacity of uh the permitted capacity of New Port Richey is 7.5 million gallons per day. And we have an agreement uh with them to treat 3 million gallons per day. And we're we're currently sending 2 million gallons per day to New Port Richey. So, we're using

We're under capacity We're under our capacity.

Yes. Okay, so are are we now taking extra reclaimed water out of there that wasn't in the case like 2 years ago? Has has that changed?

No, we're taking all the reclaimed water they produce, I understand, from that plant. They're They're hovering from what the data that we saw around 60 to 65% of the total permitted capacity between all the plant all the flows that they treat, plus uh Pasco County's flows that go to that plant.

And does anyone recall when they were presenting and they they showed us that they were over capacity?

Well, that's that was before we sleeved Gulf Harbors.

No, it was even after that. I mean, this is like this is like something David, when you were there, you were working on it to to make that happen. It was part of a project.

Yeah, Commissioner Miller, um I don't recall that they were over capacity. I think part of the challenge was that they didn't have sufficient capacity to um get rid of their excess flows, particularly during wet wet periods. And so, so what we were looking at was options to be able to take their excess flows to prevent um discharging into the Gulf.

Okay, so has that taken place?

I'm not I'm not a I I I I would not be in a position, I guess. Do Do we know that?

We checked the last 3 years' worth of their plant flow data, and it didn't show any discharges to the bay in the last 3 years. It did show excessive flows during the Milton and Helene periods a couple of years ago, but as I understand it we took all that reclaimed water. It wasn't any additional discharges to the bay in the last 3 years that we had to account for. We have other projects in the area to try to expand what we can take from New Port Richey. I believe the the the the constriction is right at the point of connection between the cities and the county's transmission pipeline that we're studying, but we haven't taken any additional flows beyond what we're contracted to take from them.

All right, cuz I I I'll talk to the doctors out there that sent us emails. I'm sure we all got them at some point. I know I did. But the flows were so bad they were actually could see it toppling from the top of the water water containers there coming down. They had to pressure clean them and go and you could smell it. So, if that did get resolved, so be it, but I like I like you guys to dig into more to find out if we actually did resolve that.

We will. We'll follow up with the city staff on that.

Thank you.

All right, can I go on? All right, so the key findings and recommendations from the wastewater master plan are some of the wastewater flows are projected to exceed the capacities at some of our uh wastewater treatment facilities in all the planning periods. Uh therefore, significant investment in wastewater treatment facility infra expansion and other infrastructures is needed in all our planning periods. Uh flow shifting or diversions between wastewater treatment facilities and enhancing conveyance capacity are critical strategies to optimize the use of permitted treatment capacity at the wastewater treatment facilities and others that may allow us to do some deferral of of a facility. This is an overall summary of the capital improvement costs uh for growth. Uh again, this is just for growth projects. Uh 5-year $659 million and 10-year uh $537 million. Uh the uh next plan is the reclaimed water master plan. Some of the key findings and recommendations, uh the what what we did in the demands we wanted in in the plan was we wanted to calculate what the unitary use of reclaimed water uh was um using the more recent data. Um there used to be a higher much higher demand uh higher usage back when uh reclaimed water was basically given away or if you just had a flat cost. So, people if they don't pay more if they're using more then they're just going to take as much as they can. So, uh so we wanted to go uh uh go on the more recent data and we've come up with a unit demand of 430 431 gallons per day per equivalent residential unit. Now, each uh res equivalent residential unit produces uh 200 gallons per day uh waste water. So, um so therefore you've got a a 231 gallon per day gap between what a home uses for irrigation versus what it produces in waste water. So, in other words, it takes 2.2 single family homes to provide enough reclaimed water for one single family home. So, as you can see over time as more units come in uh you're going to be using a lot more than what's being produced. Um so, we're actually seeing uh that the average uh demand will exceed supply by year 2030. And by 2045 um there would be a 35 million gallon per day gap between the the demand for reclaimed water and the supply waste water supply if uh we were to supply reclaimed water to all new customers. So, uh our consultant looked at two

different uh demand sets uh calculating what the demands would be. One is a full potential, which would be, again, supplying reclaimed water to all new uh all new population, and because of that gap, uh that would require uh augmentation. Um they also looked at um at a what we we call prioritized. So, in other words, taking what what's the available supply of reclaimed water based on that growth, and then you just use using that number and figuring out um where that can be distributed. So, that would require no augmentation. But, that means not every new uh customer would would get reclaimed water. So, you'd have to basically kind of put a boundary around your area.

Can I ask a quick question?

I'm sure you can.

When you when you did all this, did you take into account of some of the utilities uh companies that we may be absorbing?

Yes.

Okay.

Yes, yes, we did.

That we will be absorbing.

Yeah, yes.

[laughter]

Um the uh And so, the the big the big question on they looked at well, can we put in large storage uh to you know, to address these average uh demands, and we found that putting additional large storage provides minimal improvement

I was talking about.

in meeting the average daily demand coverage.

Yeah.

So, that that the storage provides it it's really provides help with your monthly your seasonal daily, monthly peaks um to to do that, but it doesn't really help you to to meet your overall average exceeding your overall average demands, because you just don't have enough water to it has to come in from somewhere. Um overall, it's just what you're using more than than what's coming in, so over the longer period of time, you're just going to have a gap.

Let me ask a question. Um and I've talked with the people at Seven Springs Country Club down there. And you know, the Cody River is an impaired water body, right? On the Anclote? And their ponds have like silted in over time, like it's probably happening elsewhere as well. I don't know how you figure out what your cost is to provide more storage, but should we take a look at all these golf courses per se and other storage areas that are out there to say to find out I don't know if they're recreate something.

Oh, fill up their pond?

I'm going to just but I got to create the capacity for it cuz it's all muck that's in there right now.

But they should be cleaning those out.

They should be, but guess what? It doesn't

Sorry, they should be cleaning them.

And it happens elsewhere, too, but I'm what I'm saying is I don't know how you do your calculations on your ROI, whether it's worth it or not, but if I've got these existing areas and and again, you know, on the Anclote River, it's an impaired water body. I think we should go look at what does it take to go take the silt out of there, create that more storage. We just spent the a few hundred thousand dollars there a few years ago just trying to create another pond that's there, but I got existing ponds that that probably there and it's probably a bunch of other golf courses, too, that were designed and accepted for they were going to take care of our storm water. So, if I got these existing things that are in, they can benefit and actually reduce the amount of reclaim that water they're going to need, maybe we should go put a plan together go take a look at that as part of our long-term master plan.

So, take a look and see if there are less expensive storage options that would come back with a better ROI.

Right, cuz if you got to go build a whole new facility, that's one thing, but if I can go take the ones that are existing that are not working as well as they used to be, then let's go take a look at I mean, Timber Howard Springs might be another one. Fox Hollow could be another one that that could do it. I know we've had the conversation with Fox Hollow. So, I think there's some opportunities out there. Why not take a look at and with this huge number that's up there for to build all these facilities, I think maybe we can improve what we got out there that's existing that could be a lot less expensive than you guys have calculated. What does it look

Can I

Mr. Starkey.

Following up on that and we're we're past 12, so sorry to ask this question. Um on the there are storm water ponds that never hold any water. Are are they designed that way? Is it a dry storm water pond? And one comes to mind is next to Chasco Elementary because when I was on the school board, we were letting um little we were letting kids play football in that pond because there's never ever any water in it. And it's high there, right? It's sand underneath. Um are those designed to never hold water?

And the storm water pond that's

Detention versus retention?

Yes, Commissioner. There's two or three different types of pond. What you're considering you're describing is a dry pond where that volume is available during the rainfall event and immediately within a couple of days after the rainfall event, it's supposed to percolate the entire volume through the soil. There are other ponds that have a permanent pool of water that has some minimal storage and then some overflow up to the top of bank to provide for a rainfall event. So, some ponds hold water for an extended period of time permanently and others are just dry during only the storm and a few days after the storm that are full with water.

Never ever in the 34 years I've lived here seen a drop of water in that pond. I just wanted to thank you for using the storm water.

I I see a little bit of just sometimes at the entryway with the spillway from the zone a little bit of water, but nothing much. That's only on a major event. All right, it's 12:03. I think we should take a break and I do have this city of New Port Richey service water that Colleen just brought it out to me that if you want to take a look at that, maybe after we do the public hearing, we'll come out and and discuss this a little bit further.

Thank you.

We'll adjourn for lunch. We'll be back at 1:30.

Hanging out with us.

Good. Good. Screws to them. What up? What up?